The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[mscoffman]

Right now I have more of the mentality of, "who gives a shit exactly how it works or where the extra energy comes from - IT WORKS. Now let's build it again and make it better."

Don't get me wrong...This is very important on it's own no matter
how it works...and you are doing good as long as you have seen it
work and helping us understand how to make it work...

But right behind it, is the question: "Where does the extra energy
come from?" For example if it violates the
2nd law of thermodynamics and it is not a "fueled process" then it absorbs
heat from the environment. As your furnace tries to heat your house
in the winter with HHO this cell will absorb it all again and you will be
left in the cold...It still has value but not the value it has if it is ZPE.
Whatever it's doing, it's first of it kind when proven widely...So continue.
If this is unimportant to you, it may also be important to science...
and if the answer is really bad it may turn into an archeilles-heel of
the proccess.

I am not trying to interfere. It's just very interesting. Please Proceed.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[mscoffman]

@ everyone
I will be salvaging some of my old projects and have a crack at this as well.
It is important to scrub the gas first. I spent many months in the USA running HHO through diesels etc in small quantities testing the effect it had on cleaning up emissions , power and econ my. One thing we noticed was often with he gas production yougot some steam which was in this case containing KOH. It was highly corrosive. By putting it through a bubbler we were able to scrub the gas and reclaim the lost KOH to be reused in the system
Also if you are running any engine on hydrogen they need to be modified or treated as you will soon run into embrittlement issues. many experimenters with HHO has run into this in the past. You can purchase new engines of all different sizes that are made to run on HHO or I believe (have never done it myself) youcan by treatments that will coat your parts n a way to protect it from metal embrittlement.
I am curious to get this running as an experiment to see ho much of the lye or solution is consumed. If it is minimal then it still a very cheap form of non polluting fuel.
...

Mark

I think this thread should be divided into "before proof" and "after proof"
sections because there need to be a number of cautions about working
with hho using an electrolyser that produces large volumns of it. Now
is not the time to discuss this probably. There is a 4-cycle leaf blower
that runs on propane cyclinders that would be interesting to convert
to run on HHO - new but very inexpensive. Then maybe have that drive
an automobile alternator plus regulator plus car battery to make a mini
12VDC gen-set.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[ramset]

Oswald
Quote,

Right now I have more of the mentality of, "who gives a shit exactly how it works or where the extra energy comes from - IT WORKS. Now let's build it again and make it better."
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Thats the best page to be on!!

Thank you!!

Chet

[niofox]

@all

Just finished reading all the posts and am now excited all over again since trying some other stuff on this forum
I fully intend to attempt a replication as soon as I can get my hands on some lye
Come to think of it, I'll have to get some safety gear as well
When I get everything together I'll try to make some vids and pics along the way

Many thanks to all involved in bringing this to such a great forum, especially to Oswald for the nature in which this was introduced
Keep up the good work!

[Goat]

@ All

What we need is to come up with an off the shelf model of something with a variable frequency, power and magnetic field.

Is there any off the shelf solenoid or coil that's available that we could use to make it easier than winding and building circuits that could work for the average person to make a quick build?

I heard the mention of using thicker wire so would something like a starter solenoid for a car not work to create a strong magnetic field?  Take the pvc pipe and stick it in where the driver pin would be?

I'm not up on all the ways to build a perfect coil for magnetic strength and frequency and power consumption but it would be nice if we could come up with something standard.

I'm posting a picture also of another source of KOH that's readily available but it's not drain cleaner, not sure of the purity although it says 100%, it's called Gillett's lye.

Edit:  The above sentence should've been NaOH (Sodium hydroxide) not KOH (Potassium hydroxide) for the Gillett's lye, sorry folks I'm not educated in chemistry.

Regards.
Paul