The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[StihlWoody]

I went over and read AlaskaStar's thread.  As per it being a business, I read (it's out there, so I don't need to cut/paste) that basically he had a corporation set up to do the mass production of hydrogen, and faced 2 challenges that destroyed the opportunity:  The business partner went psycho with greed, and nobody would believe it works, thus could not get the funding or the backing to make it happen beyond a pilot plant.

Thus it died.  If the business failed to take off from internal poison, and external circumstances, I can see where a dream that was worked quite hard to get, failing, would cause severe burns for Chris.  Wouldn't you?

After reading the crap at OUPOWER.COM and sifting through the bullshit with a nice filter, I can see his motivation is actually quite selfless.  He WANTS this stuff to come out so that the world can change IF the world WANTS to actively participate in changing.   I see he's wrapped up in ArcticTek.com which means he's giving it another try in business.  Everyone has to make a living folks.  Just like you, he has to heat and eat, shit-shower & shave.  You gotta have money to buy food, lights and fuel.  To get money you gotta work. 

So he lives on 6 hours of sleep?  Geez!  Either he's got more energy than 90% of people...or he's motivated beyond any rational or 'normal' person.  No caffeine?  WTF?  Now I know he's crazy!

So maybe he works a day job...and then goes to the work-shed and works on the technology until some ungodly hour in the morning?  If so... then what is he working on?  What is he building now?  "Skunk-works"? I smell a gag order.  If he's tied into Silicon Valley, and he's got a gag order on him, then he's working on something huge.  Just what?

So after reading his response to Chet, it's apparent that he read the contents of this thread, and was quite disappointed that it turned the same as the other forums.  If that's the case, maybe he's not a proud owner of a bullshit detector, and if this is the case, then it's safer for him to shy back. It also looks like he's trying to say for us to stuff it, because he's tired of the forums full of (I like this...) "armchair experts" who would decry hoax and have done absolutely nothing to prove nor disprove.

If the DVD showed exactly what's going on for one process, repeatable science, nothing hidden, and 5 years later (could be wrong on the timeline) Silicon Valley snatched him up because he's onto something big, then maybe...just maybe...it could be that it's not a hoax, it's not bunk science.

He charged money for the circuit boards.  Ok.  Fine.  What did it cost him to make?  Printing the boards?  proofing the boards?  Assembly time, solder, electricity, each component, shipping, etc..?

So he's supposed to set up shop and crank out components and circuits and mail them to everyone for free? 

Sounds really stupid to me. 

I find it quite reasonable for him to charge money for a circuit board that he invested time and money into manufacturing.  Don't you?

If you don't, then obviously you are an "armchair expert" and a "mooch on society".

How unreasonable is he being?

He posted his phone number, his mailing address, and his e-mail address out there for everyone.  He builds first and makes claims later. 

You know what would be interesting? 

I think it would be interesting to not see what he's doing, but to rummage through the pile of FAILED PROTOTYPES that he must have laying about.

Seriously, anyone here that has ever got off their ass and built something and it didn't work, has a place for the failed prototypes.  Either to be recycled, or scavenged for parts.

If that's the case, then I want access to his bone pile of prototypes.

StihlWoody

[mscoffman]

Check out what this guy is doing;

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/avebury/50/dan1.htm

This is essentially the same thing, except that the coils are in the
center of the chamber. All six rod coils are connected in series.
In addition to supplying a magnetic field pulse the coils also
provide a high voltage (flyback) pulse. I'm not quite sure how
the DC bias is supplied via metal electrodes. But he indicates
that DC current is required in addition to the mag. pulse.

The circuit amplifies the square wave from the NE555 up to the
level where it can drive the series coils. The 2n2222/Zener part
is equivalent to a 78L09 +9 volt regulator for the NE555.

This thing should have rf shielding outside the acrylic case which
it currently doesn't have. I'll bet this thing supplies part of it's
own power when it comes up...Nasty.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[LtBolo]

@StihlWoody

Are you addressing me with these comments? I hope not.

I see no one here mooching. I'm just looking for one tiny shred of evidence that this ever worked. Again, if everyone on this forum set out to replicate every purported technology without even the most basic due diligence, they wouldn't get anything useful done.

I personally don't buy the 'nobody would believe it works, thus could not get the funding or the backing to make it happen beyond a pilot plant.' It is dang near impossible to get successful folk to part with money without something demonstrable. They didn't become successful by being gullible or stupid. Neither did they become successful by passing on good opportunities.

I see bubbles...I'm all over this...

[Airbag]

Two Questions:

At Reply #191, In the picture of a unit that was used/built by Alaskastar himself, what is the coil around the lower inlet fitting ?

Has anyone seen or tested this ?
http://www.springerlink.com/content/y7941574h27kv665/

Abstract  A novel method of hydrogen generation by water electrolysis using ultra-short-pulse power supply is demonstrated. The ultra-short power supply consists of a static induction thyristor (SIThy) and a specific circuit which is called the inductive energy storage (IES) circuit. It was found that by using an ultra-short pulse with the width of 300 ns, electrolysis takes place with a mechanism dominated by electron transfer, which is different from the conventional diffusion limiting process in DC electrolysis.

[StihlWoody]

Ltbolo:

Since the previous post was not specifically directed at anyone, but was a mere observation and musing...and since you directed a question to me specifically, I will address you now.

I did some homework on AlaskaStar, and he lives in Wasilla, a small town along the railroad tracks.  Pictures at street level show that almost everything is built on on side of the tracks, and there's nothing on the other side.  Basically it's a very long town, not big, just long.

In looking further, I found he went to Palmer High School.  I researched Palmer.  I found that the City of Palmer is a farming community, very large and sprawled out, farms of several hundred acres, explaining the size of Palmer.  Both places have a very low population. 

I looked at the largest town in Alaska, and it's Anchorage, Population about 100K people.  Anchorage is the largest city on the planet in terms of acres that it's municipality consumes, which also includes a whole mountain range. 

He lives outside of town, and probably by choice.  He likely chose to go to school in a smaller town than he lived, which says a lot about his outlook in life, keeping things simple.

Now the vast expanses in which he has to romp/play with less than 1 human per square mile allows freedom of thought and any other thing he chooses.

Now, if in a population that low, in a town that small, and the largest city in the entire state being smaller than most cities in America, if he could not find a person who would believe in him, and see the idea and the possibilities for that which it is, then yes, I can believe that he couldn't find any backers.

Maybe that small town didn't have the right person, and he was unable or uncomfortable in leaving home (quite a large place I might add...) and going to a more densely populated area to find a person who could and would help.  Maybe he didn't even know where to start looking?

So after all that, you would still choose to focus on that it may be bunk.

Ok.  Fine.  your opinion like many others before...

So I looked into ArcticTek.  I found several news articles, and I find that he's strongly connected to Silicon Valley, but lives in Alaska.  Is there something at home that he finds worth more than the world?  A child?  A wife?  Family?  Are his values lesser than yours?  Maybe he's living as he should be living, a life that you and I can only dream about?

How did he manage to be the VP/CTO  of a company in Palo Alto, and never leave Alaska? 

His battery circuit took 1st place in the 2009 Arcticinno.com thingy.  He came home with a $10K check.
Where do you specifically call out credibility?

At what level does he amount to credible in your definitions?

Did he live to serve you?

I may be a newbie here, but I am calling it out as I see it, plain as day. 

So what?

I looked into what I can find regarding his magnetolysis cell.  I looked at Kanzius, and I looked at the parallels in the design, I looked at how the magnetic fields work.  Honestly, I think it will work.

I am willing to try.  I already posted pictures of what I built so far.  I have been working, so when I get a chance I can do some testing. 
I spent about $50 in parts so far and am ready for testing when I have a free moment.

I don't know about you, but the simplicity of this is incredibly genius. 

$50 is not a lot of money, and the design is so open to variables that you have the ultimate freedom to make changes as you see fit.

Now you can sit there and become an 'armchair expert' or you can go build, and have credibility to actually say with definitive proof that it does or does not work.

What's the worst case...you learn something?

Let's cut the crap, get busy and stay focused on the replication.  If theres any success, then you will know.  If it works as good as claimed, then we will be ushering in a new era of energy, simple enough to build it at home. 

Is a new era of energy and society worth the $50 and a few hours spent to replicate?  I sure hope so.

And for the business aspect?  Let's focus on that AFTER we have successful replication, ok?

StihlWoody