The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[iquant]

Exploring a few different routes:

#1:  Liquid Electrode using Sodium Hydroxide for Magnetolysis of H20.

So far no luck replicating but worth continuing efforts.
Currently playing with temp/pressure.

#2.  Ammonia for Hydrogen Storage.
Conceptually - safe and easier to use for on demand H2 generation.
No cryo - No high Pressure COPV - 1.5x H2 density by volume over liquid hydrogen.
You always lose energy converting mediums and storing..  But Ammonia appears to be fairly efficient.
1/20 the energy for electrolysis compared to cracking H20 directly. 
Near zero storage losses with virtually unlimited shelf life. 
Unlike Fossil fuels NH3 can be made synthetically anywhere

#3.  Solid State Ammonia Synthesis
As per the general concept presented by NHThree here. 

General idea is to use Magnetolysis of Sodium Hydroxide for Solid State Ammonia Synthesis.

The cycle as I see it is:

1. NH3 Synthesis
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3 H2 + N2 => 2 NH3

2. NH3 Storage
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Both H2 and NH3 are energy transport systems, not energy sources. - Clearly when the cost of transport is included, room temperature NH3 system is much cheaper and much lighter.  The distribution infrastructure exists today.

3. Power Generation
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NH3 Electrolysis - H2 Fuel Cells
Direct NH3 Fuel Cells
95% NH3 + 5% H2 as 170 octane ICE burnable fuel.
Lots of possibilities all generating carbon free N2 & H20 as byproduct

[gsmsslsb]

Hello Dutchy
Thanks for the heads up on that patent.
I have downloaded it and am studying it.
I think I have all the parts here to give it a quick and dirty shot.
I just need to know a bit more about separating the M+ ions and the OH- ions.
I will go the high voltage field way and see how that goes for me.
Gsm

[dutchy1966]

I just need to know a bit more about separating the M+ ions and the OH- ions.
Gsm

I do have a few other patents that deal with separating the Na+ and OH- ions. I'm still debating US 7223335 patent as it is fully passive.
It uses magnetism only. Just not sure how valid it is.
Of course the best would be to use high voltage AND magnetism crosswise throught the flowing electrolyte.

Please let me know any good ideas you have as I'm gonna try the ion separating aswell

regards

Dutchy

[gsmsslsb]

Hi dutch
Take a look at this link it explains the problems with the HV approach in simple language.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem99/chem99264.htm

I normally like HV but I am thinking in this case the magnetic may be better after all.
!!! Jury still out!!!
I will take a look at the patent posted above.
If you get a chance let me know about the other info you have.
Thanks gsm

[ramset]

Well,
Getting back to frequency and HHO!

I would call this a "Must Read"

Michael John Nunnerly's work

More here  >     http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o.html

The plot thickens!!

Chet

Ps
HHMMmm...
It says the file is to big?
anyhow Page 3 at the thread "slovania" is updating a pdf
On a regular basis.