Ronald Classen's H2O Motor Project

[rlm555339]

Also, I am intriqued by your suggestion of firing at 45 degrees ADC.  The flame front would start after peak crank speed.  This seems to support a slower Flame propagation  I can't help wondering how much power would be sacrificed for efficiency (that sounds funny when I say it)

Dave

It makes sense to retard it that far if there is a 1000-1 collapse of volume.  If the exhaust valve doesn't open immediately after this collapse occurs, then the initial energy from the expansion would be dampened by the vacuum and you would be "sucking your piston" back.  This would tend to lose power also, yes?  I'm all about trying the 45 degree ATDC but I'd like to know first if I need to do anything with the valve timing too.  Maybe Pres can answer that for me.  He sounds like he's worked with Wiseman on the Eagle-Research website so I'm guessing he understand hydroxy a lot better than I do. 

[h2o2go]

Ron
I dunno ! I am still absorbing this whole 45 ^o ADC thing. As I indicated earlier, I run my engine at 15 ^o ADC with maybe 3 degrees later valve timing. ?The first thing that comes to my mind is: you do not want the intake open into the compression stroke, so configuring the engine to run at 45 ^o ADC would mean reconfiguring the cam to match that ?- not just gearing

hmmmm...........

Dave

[TechStuf]

Think about this for a moment......automobiles account for roughly 20% of pollutive emissions....and with the convoluted way they are going about it now.....they would be better off rapidly deploying the technology to stationary power plants and industrial concerns. ?And quit backdoor grandfathering these morally depraved cretins to the end of time.

I mean, come on.....If I didn't know better, ?I would say that these billions spent on 'hydrogen auto" research are a white wash. ?

I say keep the high pressure tanks and other clap-trap-crap at home and stuff the megacorp greed in a sack!

The fact that the greedy megacorp fat cats still manage to keep the focus on cars while being supported in utterly gut ripping the planet, says much about the apathetic state of our dying planet.

It has been said that: ?"The people end up getting the kind of government they deserve"......then by application of that same 'critical' logic, it may be inferred that we end up with the kind of planet we deserve.


If this is their idea of "phased integration" of the truly beneficial technologies that many now know exist.....then it surely reveals and highlights the warped ideals of the "greedy control freak culture" that runs the show.....safely ensconced largely behind that legally recognized, supremely destructive and anarchy engendering straw man, known as...

The Corporation. 

And as long as the gaping 'personal responsibility' loopholes, one of the chief reasons for which these 'hydraheaded' monstrosities were created, are allowed to continue unchecked....then 'Orwellianistic' hive culture will be the 'order' of the day.

As time wears thin, ?Such ones, with even a shread of remaining TRUE objectivity and decency......will see the reasoning behind just one of many Supreme Statements.....


"And I will bring to ruin, those ruining the earth"



Peace,

TS

[Kysmett]

Okay, TS you have a point in that the H2 push is a ruse.  Here is how this went down.

The 'green generation' as achieved not only voting age, but also lobbying age.  They are now leaving colleges with their masters degrees, ready to take on and change the world for the better.  Gas prices are...well we all know how well that's going. 

In any case these two(though not the only) factors have lead to pressure from the powers that be to do 'something'.  The petrol giants are sitting accross the table from the politicians saying, 'watch it, I hold the purse around here'.  So the politicians were in a bind.  The masses do the electing, but the corps do the funding....how to appease both...hmmm.

I know, says one of them...the people want alternative energy, right?  People are dumb...we will tell them that we're working on it.   Here's the solution to give them...Hydrogen. 
--At this point in the meeting the other oil execs are startled and pissed..."Hydrogen!!!??!?!!"
--Hold on, hold on...no sweat.  Where does most of the H2 come from?, he asks knowingly.
--I'll tell you where from...Natural gas refineries!  Everybody laughs maniacly, not believing what they are about to pull off(a change in technology without any change in the source--or profits--whatsoever!), downs their burbon and heads out to tell the masses how they plan to save them--all for a couple billion dollars in research grants that lead to technology that makes people feel like they're making a difference while they use the SAME--actually more--petro-resources. 

Brilliant!  Evil, but damn brilliant.

Let them develop the utilization technology...the real coup will come when someone figures out how to get H2 cheaply without natural gas.

[TechStuf]

You are right, Kysmett......"Brilliant" indeed, and quite a blinding 'black light' it is....

Buddum Bum.

(insert twilight zone theme here)


Peace,

TS