Ronald Classen's H2O Motor Project

[kenbo0422]

If this could be proven true, then water harmonics is probably the key to magnified production rates not possible with even a DC setup.  I would like to know how it goes with that.  I tend to go with the Tesla and Keely thinking in many of these things that harmonics or the 'right' frequency is a key to unlocking alot of things we aren't able to accomplish now.

[rlm555339]

Hi All,


So far I and on my friend have built a generator (10Hz-1MHz with 5A mosfet) and the electrodes and when time permits going to try all this. Does anybody have any idea what the frequency should be according to the above conclusions?

Cheers,
Christo

I read somewhere that 42K (give or take) was effective.  So I tried it.................and everything else from 500 to 500K Hz.  I tried 50% duty, I tried other frequencies and pulse lengths................I tried alternating current.  Nothing matched the DC watt for watt.

Having said that.......I certainly hope you can find the magic number because I need all the help I can get with volume of production.  I'm with Kenbo in that I am interested in your results.

[h2o2go]

Chris, Ron
Hear me out, then let me have it! OK
I too have toyed with frequency to disassociate water, but obviously not to the extent either of you have.
I too have tried to read Stan Meyer's patents and determined they are cryptic, but do not let me discourage you if you can crack the code.
Having said that, here is some of my conjecture based on a little research and a lot of thinking.
?? ? Observations
? ? ? ? ? ? 1. Freq of water is key but, there are more possible frequencies than water molecules
? ? ? ? ? ? 2. Current flows thru an Electrolyser by ionization, which does not seem to respond quickly to changes, 8 or 10 minutes is
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? not uncommon. This puts trial and error way outside the limits of my patients
? ? ? ? ? ? 3. Starting (or restarting) ionization requires much more energy than sustaining it, that is why a starter is required for a flourescent
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?tube. The process must be re-started with every pulse.? I am using 2 ea 1 farad caps with my battery management system to
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?sustain when switching.
? ? ? Conjecture
? ? ? ? ? ? I believe the only thing pulses do is cause the molecules to move faster, which does accelerate the process, but as Ron has
? ? ? ? ? ? ?observed, this is not enough to offset the off-time of the DC current
? ? ? ? ? ? A more managable means of speeding molecular movement is heat.? My consorts on a Electro-plating? Discussion Board tell me
? ? ? ? ? ? 20 Degrees C increase doubles the electrolyis (?)
? ? ? ? ? ? One area I have not abandoned is a design you can see on my website.? I used high voltage ignition coils to add HV spikes riding
? ? ? ? ? ? on the DC signal.? If I could get this right it should cause some agitation without dropping the DC signal ? I have suspended? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? testing this until I can convince myself conditions do not exist in my design to allow a HV arc inside the cell

As I said: most of this is conjecture.? I posted to prompt intellegent response, so? BRING IT ON

Dave

[kenbo0422]

The high voltage spikes sound  good and possibly risky, but do any of you recall a thing call a 'Bingo Reactor?'  I think it is supposed to be a similar process to cold fusion or something....  anyway, the light coming out of one of these reactors makes me suspect alot of things going on in there and electrolysis surely should be one of them.   Would looking into a setup such as this make a difference, or sense for that matter?

[hartiberlin]

Bob at oupower.com forum stated, that he got very good
results using a full wave graetz rectified output of a staircase wave
inverter at around 730 Hz.
So he used rectified the AC to full wave chopped staircase DC.
As this staircase waveform tends to increase the voltage in steps it seems
be easier to break the water molecules with every step jump.

Also pulses which will have a rising envelope amplitude will work !

This was told, before Bob was silenced by a few patent holders.

So try it this way.
Also Stanley Meyer was using increasing amplitude pulses !

Regards, Stefan.