Centrifugual water generator idear

[Cherryman]

I was thinking of creating extra mass by enlarging only the horizontal water mass, inflow and outflow smaller.

Think of it as a bottle in between.   This extra mass want to escape the rotating force.. Only way out > trough the turbines.

One good thing is that eventually load is not "taken" from the driving engine.

Ass the mass of the rotating wheel, including (flowing) water inside the pipes and bottles is always the same.  So, once revd up, the wheel is only to be kept moving by a little force.

I thinking of using reversed water-pumps as generators.

[fritznien]

I was thinking of creating extra mass by enlarging only the horizontal water mass, inflow and outflow smaller.

Think of it as a bottle in between.   This extra mass want to escape the rotating force.. Only way out > trough the turbines.

One good thing is that eventually load is not "taken" from the driving engine.

Ass the mass of the rotating wheel, including (flowing) water inside the pipes and bottles is always the same.  So, once revd up, the wheel is only to be kept moving by a little force.

I thinking of using reversed water-pumps as generators.

your whole unit is a pump. as water moves through from inner intake to outer outlet it moves faster and and faster as it reaches the rim of your spinning flywheel. yes it will need a lot of energy to accelerate the water. the total mass will not change but the mass in the pipe is constantly replaced.

[Low-Q]

I was thinking of creating extra mass by enlarging only the horizontal water mass, inflow and outflow smaller.

Think of it as a bottle in between.   This extra mass want to escape the rotating force.. Only way out > trough the turbines.

One good thing is that eventually load is not "taken" from the driving engine.

Ass the mass of the rotating wheel, including (flowing) water inside the pipes and bottles is always the same.  So, once revd up, the wheel is only to be kept moving by a little force.

I thinking of using reversed water-pumps as generators.

The extra mass you've added will not increase the capacity of the pump - most probably. The water in the bottle will move slower and therfor not contribute to extra centrifugal energy. My guess.

I am soon finished with a similar idea, but I have used pipes that electrichians use for installing electricity. Close to the center I will bend these pipes towards rotation so water can be pushed into them during rotation, and let the centrifugal force gradually take over and suck water in to the pipes. It will hopefully be vacuum in the pipes close to the center, and hopefully this vacuum will "suck" the wheel around its own axis.

At the same time I will guess that the constantly replaced water in the pipe has to accelerate all the time and therfor counterforce the rotation. This is pretty much how a gyroscope works too. When we want to rotate a spinning wheel angular to the rotation, the mass in the wheel will have a constant acceleration, and therefor prevent the wheel to be rotated angulary to its rotation, but also slow down the wheel.

Well, I guess we just have to try. I will post some pictures when I'm done.

Vidar

[Low-Q]

I have no pictures, but I had to try the hose experiment - in the shower...
I had a small hose that I was sucking up water from a bucket. I was then rotating the hose hy hand. I did pump up the water at a higher level, but the hose did deflect, and was prevented to rotate freely. A good news is that it seems to take the same energy to sustain the rotation regardless of the hight. It was a big mess of water in the whole bathroom, but it was worth trying it - the neighbour downstairs did probably believe I was doing something else....

Anyway. I have been thinking of a way to sustain the rotation with lower energy input, by winding the hose in a spiral so the waterflow would be pushing the hose around when the water leaves the hose, so I don't need so much energy input - it will not selfsustain ofcourse.
Very little friction inside the hose would also help much.

The good thing is that the more we try to load the water flow, the easier it will be to sustain the rotation. If we block the hose completely, it will take very little energy to sustain rotation. The bad thing is that the more we load the water, the slower the water will pass through the hose and therefor reduce the energy output...

But again, maybe it will be possible to raise water quite high with little energy input... I haven't done the math, but I suspect it will take the energy needed to lift the weight of water that high anyways...

Vidar

[TechStuf]

Keep working on it Cherryman, there are certainly a number of creative ways to be found by which one may offset efficiency loss due to the outwardly migrating liquid mass.

And think of the load envelope and scalability!

I can see your production model between the pages of Distributed Energy Magazine now.....


TS