pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?

[tbird]

Low-Q,

The problem with shields, are that they affects the magnetism as much as they are being affected by the magnetism - ofcourse. So any attemt to apply or remove a shield require ofcourse the net force per distance that will occour in the motor to provide torque per revolution. You must apply energy to the shields to make them doing the job you want. There is no way a magnet motor can supply shielding by its own power, because the shield are depended on the motormagnets as much as the motormagnets are depended on the shields. It's very logic when you think about it.

now that you've spit that out, can you make a comment on my post?  is my math wrong?  did i not consider something important?

tom

[Hope]

Making and braking the magnetic "barr" might be accomplished with mercury spinning in ring containing embedded magnets,you could really get this liquid metal (maybe heated bismuth is safer) spinning within a Rodin coil field. Glass containment could be simple within a bottle with the air evacuated.   Etch coat the glass with your coil configs,  sweet generator and more.   Wouldn't the stern magnets be in for a wild ride on that surface.

[tbird]

hope,

before we scrap jines design all together, let's find the flaw in it first.

to all those who instantly say "this will not work"......

"if you are given the choice of a 25 cent, 10 cent, 5 cent, & 1 cent coins to make 30 cents using any 2 coins with the condition one of them can NOT be a 5 cent coin, what 2 coins would they be?"

.....you will probably say "it can't be done".

if you know the answer, please post a reply here.  no explanation is needed at this time.

let's see who the real thinkers are and who are just "talking heads".

tom

[tbird]

Quote from: Low-Q on October 02, 2010, 06:27:03 PM...There is no way a magnet motor can supply shielding by its own power, because the shield are depended on the motormagnets as much as the motormagnets are depended on the shields...


I share that opinon.  It's like thinking something like this can be real, only it's harder to see and more tempting to believe in -

iwh,

i'm not sure which design low-q is talking about, but that statement does not apply to jines.

maybe you still haven't figured out how it works.  there are 2 stators containing magnets.  while one side is attracting the rotor, the other side is being prepaired to attract the rotor.  if "a magnetically responsive block, (soft iron or steel) will be attracted to a magnet." is true, then depending on the strength of the magnet, we can assign a force value it creates.  in one of my earlier post i gave this value 7 units.

this 7 units is transferred to the power shaft which contains 2 cams.  these cams are set to apply an outward force to actuating rods (or bars)(64) attached to Shields 63.  since we have predetermined the force of attraction (10 units because it is closer to the magnet than the rotor block) of the shield to the magnet, we can size the spring (74) to be just strong enough to remove the shield so it doesn't cover the magnet.  with spring in place and cam not interacting, the net force to move the shield back over the magnet would be 1 unit.  this could vary a bit due to travel distance of the shield.

this brings us to where i have concerns.  with cam in place and magnet uncovered, the shield, in a distance of 1/16 of the circumference of the cam/rotor, will be required to recover the magnet.  the good news is only 1 shield is a load at any given time.  that is when the magnet is to be covered.  uncovering is the job of the spring.

jines cam arrangement can be changed so the covering process is not as big of a load, but i'm not sure of the effect of a longer uncovered time.

if you want to point fingers at something that might be a problem, this is probably a good place to start.

tom

[Thaelin]

 the coins is easy. quarter and dime. I just have 5 extra now. be glad to give it back to you.

thay