FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR

[MileHigh]

Ismael:

In your clip you claim that when you short a coil and then collect the energy in a capacitor using an FWBR that you get three times the energy collected in the capacitor as compared to the energy that was put into the coil.

Show us some proof please.

MileHigh

[konehead]

a peak coil shorting experiment is simple to do - do it yourself if you want real proof or look at Ismaels 133% eff electric car tested by Filipino DOE in lab on peswiki (his MEG powering the car uses coil-shorting tech) if you want official government-lab tested proof...
the DC cap in coil-shorting experiment will go to X20 voltage over short period of time, and X3 voltage instantly.
Three times more voltage in cap and at discharge into load you will have three times more power.
If magnets induce coils at 60hz have coil-short event occure for no more than .5milliseconds - do short at sinewave peak and wiht that ratio of pulsewidthh-of-short to freqeuncy and it wont affect draw to motor spinnnng magnet-rotor at all.

[MileHigh]

Konehead:

a peak coil shorting experiment is simple to do - do it yourself if you want real proof or look at Ismaels 133% eff electric car tested by Filipino DOE in lab on peswiki (his MEG powering the car uses coil-shorting tech) if you want official government-lab tested proof...

The burden is on Ismael to prove his claims.  Let him do it, not me.  You have already read the rebuttals to the Filipino DOE lab tests in this thread.

Here are some good comments from PESN:

http://pesn.com/2012/05/15/9602093_Aviso_Demonstrates_Self-Looped_Generator_for_Philippine_International_TV/

The only discrepancy was between the power measured as drawn from the batteries which averaged 307W versus the dynamometer average of 403W.  If one is familiar with dynamometers that apparent energy gain is easily seen as low-range offset error in the torque transducer.  The dynamometer at UPME is reated at 260KW.  The 100W discrepancy corresponds to 0.038% Full-scale error on the dynamometer.  It is way below the instrument accuracy.  Consequently, there is no reliable evidence that the motor delivered anymore mechanical power than drawn from the batteries.  There was no evidence of anything unusual.

In plain English you can't use a dynamometer designed to measure up to 260 Kw to measure 300 watts.  This is a known issue with many comparable measuring devices; you can't accurately measure very very small values as compared to the full-scale measurement capability of the device.

the DC cap in coil-shorting experiment will go to X20 voltage over short period of time, and X3 voltage instantly.
Three times more voltage in cap and at discharge into load you will have three times more power.

I don't know why you would say this because you know that measuring voltage without factoring in current is meaningless.

If magnets induce coils at 60hz have coil-short event occure for no more than .5milliseconds - do short at sinewave peak and wiht that ratio of pulsewidthh-of-short to freqeuncy and it wont affect draw to motor spinnnng magnet-rotor at all.

I disagree with you.  What I will say is that in many cases if you draw a small amount of energy from a spinning rotor, that the change in speed of the rotor will be imperceptible with your human senses.

So, my question still stands, wee need proof of Ismael's claim and that should be done by Ismael himself.  He needs to do a full proper bench test to prove his claim.

MileHigh

[Magluvin]

Konehead:

The burden is on Ismael to prove his claims.  Let him do it, not me.  You have already read the rebuttals to the Filipino DOE lab tests in this thread.

Here are some good comments from PESN:

http://pesn.com/2012/05/15/9602093_Aviso_Demonstrates_Self-Looped_Generator_for_Philippine_International_TV/

In plain English you can't use a dynamometer designed to measure up to 260 Kw to measure 300 watts.  This is a known issue with many comparable measuring devices; you can't accurately measure very very small values as compared to the full-scale measurement capability of the device.

I don't know why you would say this because you know that measuring voltage without factoring in current is meaningless.

I disagree with you.  What I will say is that in many cases if you draw a small amount of energy from a spinning rotor, that the change in speed of the rotor will be imperceptible with your human senses.

So, my question still stands, wee need proof of Ismael's claim and that should be done by Ismael himself.  He needs to do a full proper bench test to prove his claim.

MileHigh

"The burden is on Ismael to prove his claims.  Let him do it, not me.  You have already read the rebuttals to the Filipino DOE lab tests in this thread."

Really? Says who?  You?   :]  keep dreamin  Rebuttals?  Are they rebuttals that are backed up by testing? Or are those rebutts just talkin? ? 
Well I demand that those rebutters bare their burden of proofs, or, or, Ill just be really really mad at dem. Yea, vewee angwee.  ;]

"I don't know why you would say this because you know that measuring voltage without factoring in current is meaningless.
"
Again and again, you must not have read the comment you are answering here and just assuming, again, or you know exactly what was stated and offering argument in favor of your own views. So which is it M?  You very well know that a measure of voltage in a "cap" that it is unnecessary to figure in current to know the value of energy stored in that cap over a period of time.  Cmom M. You know better. ;]  Dont you?  Isnt this what has been discussed in the tar baby thread, that you spend a lot of time in? ;] Hmmm?

"So, my question still stands, wee need proof of Ismael's claim and that should be done by Ismael himself.  He needs to do a full proper bench test to prove his claim."

Again, more demands?  Or what? People cant make a thread here and talk about it? Again, says who? You?  (I Chuckle)  You are simply amazing. I mean that sincerely. ;]

Mags

[MileHigh]

Mags:

Ismael makes a claim in his clip that his circuit will give you back three times the energy over what you put in.

I left the capacitor issue in an oversimplified form.  Voltage, current, capacitance are all meaningless unless you talk about energy in vs. energy out, or average power in vs. average power out.

So I am asking Ismael to back up his claim with data and to show us how he makes his measurements, etc.

MileHigh