FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR

[konehead]

I am trying to ignore mr too high but you are so irritating.
there is no reason people should "sign theri names" to the attest to the validity of the DOE document. Is there a section that says all engineers sign here? (NO)
did these people REFUSE to sign it?  (NO) ...
again YOU MAKE THINGS UP
sure it is preliminary thats what all tests are called first time you do them.
because they are prelimantry doesnt mean they are therefore false but AGAIN YOU MAKE THINGS UP
there is nothign worng with putting AC meter on wall and measurieng power from wall into FWBR, DC filtering caps and use that in "replacement" of DC battery as the power supply...this will tell you the input in watts no problem really and it can be double-checked using the thre ways I gave too.
I built electric car with 36V of golf cart batteisand forklift moto (old fiat spyder) draw at slow speed to 20 mph from stop on level ground is between 50A to 100A...so 1800 to 3600watts consumed
Ismael is runnign on only 300W so he obviously has something good going on and is not faking it either and netiher are or will the DOE lab guys  (but you are one faking it)

[konehead]

hey mile way too high all the time:
I am glad you resent me for calling you what you are...thats how resentments foster; from people telling you the truth about yourself you dont want to beleive is the truth.
What IS true is you make up a lot of stuff that is not true - not exactly a classical liar, more like a delusional blockhead,
I am going to TRY again to ignore you, unless you get on the ball and can come up with some more really good  insults again,  against my friend Ismael, (calling him un-credible) or try and drag me down to your level of ignorance with your oponnioated no-fact observations.

If you want to discuss the no-lenz coil-shorting techniques and testing, go over to the RomeroUK-Muller thread and read up for a few hours, and I will not reply to you there, instead of not replying to you here.
I am open source, so you get same benefits from my research as do  people I actually like personally, respect, and consider intelligent.

[MileHigh]

Konehead:

I built electric car with 36V of golf cart batteisand forklift moto (old fiat spyder) draw at slow speed to 20 mph from stop on level ground is between 50A to 100A...so 1800 to 3600watts consumed
Ismael is runnign on only 300W so he obviously has something good going on and is not faking it either and netiher are or will the DOE lab guys  (but you are one faking it)

I am not faking anything and I wish you would stop that please.

Ismael ran on 300 watts and as a result of that the buggy motor had almost no torque whereas your golf cart has torque because of the higher power.  As it says in the report they ran into trouble trying to go up a very small incline.  It appears that what might have happened is the buggy slowed down and the reduced RPM of the motor created less CEMF.  With less CEMF the current draw started to go up and the power electronics in the buggy started to fry.

I am glad you resent me for calling you what you are...thats how resentments foster; from people telling you the truth about yourself you dont want to beleive is the truth.
What IS true is you make up a lot of stuff that is not true - not exactly a classical liar, more like a delusional blockhead

That's just a lot of hot air.  I have been around for a fair amount of time now so people know me and they know that your characterization is silly and not true.  You are simply over agitated - take a chill pill.

If you want to discuss the no-lenz coil-shorting techniques and testing, go over to the RomeroUK-Muller thread and read up for a few hours, and I will not reply to you there, instead of not replying to you here.

If you believe that you can shorten your shorting pulse and then at a certain "magic" short pulse length you can fill up your collector caps without putting a mechanical load on the rotor then I have a proposed test for you.  Just think about this logically:  You know with longer pulses you fill up the collector caps and you can measure a drag on the rotor.  Then you notice that with shorter pulses you fill up the collector caps more slowly and still see a drag.  Then with an even shorter pulse you fill up the collector caps even more slowly and don't see any more drag.  That doesn't make sense - just the fact that the collector caps are still charging is telling you that there is still a drag on the rotor.

Here is the suggested experiment:  Assume that you have an electric motor driving a rotor and the rotor powers the pick-up coils/shorting/cap pulser setup.  Also assume that you have a fully synchronized cap dump system that dumps them every time there is a pulse.  Without the synchronized cap dump system the test will not work.  Because the charging pules are very small, you could also do a synchronized cap dump every 64 or 128 pulses, or perhaps when the collector caps meet a certain threshold voltage, your choice.

You measure the current draw on the drive motor with a current sensing resistor and you also measure the RPM.  You put an RC low-pass filter setup across the current sensing resistor and connect your multimeter to the capacitor.

Now, you know how Gotoluc has a precision digital multimeter that has six digits of precision after the decimal place?  You connect Gotoluc's multimeter across the capacitor, and then make two measurements:  (1) The filtered voltage across the capacitor when the drive motor is powering the setup without any coil shorting (i.e.; no mechanical load on the rotor).  (2)  The filtered voltage across the capacitor when the drive motor is powering the setup with your minimum shorting pulse setup, the one that you believe does not put a load on the rotor but still charges the energy collecting capacitors.

When you switch from (1) to (2) you should see the capacitor voltage slowly climb over a few seconds and then stabilize at a higher value.  That's telling you that the current draw of the motor went up a tiny fraction because the load on the drive motor went up a tiny fraction.  The increased load is due to the pick-up coils causing a tiny amount of Lenz drag on the rotor magnets because of your very short coil shorting pulses.  The filtered average voltage across the current sensing resistor might only go up a few hundred micro-volts.  That would be proof that your minimum shorting pulse technique still adds a load to the rotor.

MileHigh

[konehead]

mile way too high all the time
I am not even looking at your posts anymore (100% IGNORE MODE) so save your breath for when YOU do some EXPERIMENTS YOURSELF, and you can have the experience of replying to dumb-ass ignorant critiscm from other people who like to shoot in the dark at whatever ridiculous scenario comes to mind (like you)
other option is to change your handle, writing style, and brain function (plus new attitude),  and return as whole other person and then I will reply then,  since I wouldnt know it was you.

[MileHigh]

Konehead:

mile way too high all the time
I am not even looking at your posts anymore (100% IGNORE MODE) so save your breath for when YOU do some EXPERIMENTS YOURSELF, and you can have the experience of replying to dumb-ass ignorant critiscm from other people who like to shoot in the dark at whatever ridiculous scenario comes to mind (like you)
other option is to change your handle, writing style, and brain function (plus new attitude),  and return as whole other person and then I will reply then,  since I wouldnt know it was you.

That is a truly pathetic reply.  I give you a suggestion for a serious test and all that can come up with is that?  What I said to you above was REAL.  Why can't you discuss like a normal person?

You never answered the question about power input vs. power output for your pick-up coil/shorting/cap pulser circuit.  I asked you at least three times.  Based on your lack of response so far I don't believe you have ever made the measurements nor do I believe that you are capable of making the measurements.  It's up to you to prove otherwise.

Just so there is no confusion:  We are talking about mechanical energy or average mechanical power in (the magnets passing the pick-up coils) and comparing that to electrical energy or average electrical power out (discharging the collector caps.)

You can talk the talk all you want about coil shorting and timings and what caps you use to collect the energy - but without making the mechanical input measurement all of that talk is useless.

So, since this is your pet project, have you measured the input and the output for one of your systems?  If yes, how did you do it?

Don't go crying to Stephan again like a baby because I asked you some serious legitimate questions.  If you really think your coil shorting system has merit then prove it by showing your measurements for input and output.

MileHigh