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Do electrons repel each other?

Started by stevensrd1, September 26, 2010, 06:45:09 PM

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stevensrd1

The reason I wondered if electrons repel, or would into a wire connected to a negative terminal of a battery, without the positive terminal connected, is because to prove they do repel I thought of a simple experiment to test this, but the experiment failed. I took three batteries, on a table side by side, the middle battery was fully drained, the other two were fully charged. then I connected the negative of the middle battery to the negative of the battery on the right. Thinking the negative on the right would push or repel electrons into the negative of the middle battery, since it has extra electrons. Then I connected the positive of the middle battery to the positive of the battery on the left thinking the battery on the left would pull electrons from the middle battery, since positive wants electrons. But the middle battery did not recharge. So it seemed to me these electrons can not flow,,or be pulled or repelled.
At least not in this fashion, but if the electrons in a negative terminal go down a wire even if the positive is not hooked up,as in they repel each other into the wire, as to my question in the first article in this topic,,then in the experiment above the middle battery should have recharged.

fritznien

no it should not, you need a lot of currant to charge a battery.
the currant into a wire is small,picco amps and short fractions of a micro second.
also you need more than normal batery voltage to charge.
your test is just not senitive enough.
fritznien

stevensrd1

Well you may be right on one part,,my test were not sensitive enough, however as to voltage, I think you are incorrect, its fairly easy to recharge a battery with a battery. Its been done many times with something as simple as a joule thief, look up joule thief recharger on youtube videos, furthermore I have did it other ways, Ill reference my topic in another section of this forum here, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9736.msg256747#msg256747 However I dont think it was an absolute total recharge as in a type of unity but perhaps close. Thanks again for your input, I do agree with my test on this experiment was not sensitive enough. I have no idea how to simplify further.

angryScientist

I believe all the above responses are correct. A tiny amount of electrons will flow into the battery. The amount is so minuscule that it wont be noticed though. Remember you have hundreds of volts on your body right now. In fact it could be thousands. A static electricity spark of 1/4 inch is ten thousand volts of potential present that you never noticed. 1.5 volts is practically no noticeable difference in potential when speaking of static electricity.

The problem is difference in potential. In the battery your trying to charge, after touching your charged batteries to it, the potential on the positive and negative terminals will (relatively) immediately be the same as they were before. Unless you continually remove electrons from the positive terminal there will be no desire for ions to leave the cathode and flow through the electrolyte to the anode and combine with the oxides there. It reaches equilibrium almost immediately.

Now if you have one terminal of your dead battery touching one terminal of your charged battery and could take a small piece of metal and move it back and forth at an inconceivably fast rate between the two free terminals it would charge the dead battery. The small piece of metal would act as a capacitor and moving it back and forth would essentially act as a charge carrier. Then again, it would be way easier to just use a wire for the charge carrier.

As a side note; I believe electrons repel each other all the time unless they are moving together. In that case the magnetic field generated by each would cause them to be pulled together. Evidence of that would be an arc or bolt, where all the electrons move in a tight little stream or filament.