Relative Permittivity of Water

[wfchobby]

Hi Lads,
I think this is an interesting thread because someone took the time to compile anomalies that are likely to be missed or misunderstood if they dont know the science, I dont.

I have always wondered why so many appear to attempt replication using a main supply for power when I would have thought the goal was to use in a vehicle - thats why I wont replicate the 8xa because I dont see the point of spending a lot of $$$ on a board thats effectively tied to a mains supply.

Sure small single cell boosters may help reduce emmissions and some if any fuel savings, but thats still a long way off from 100% water as fuel, and with the small available spaces in engine bays of a lot of vehicles is very limited i think makes a multiple cell idea limited - and I am not convinced that installation into the boot area (or trunk as yanks call them) to hold the wfc is the solution...

Is the injector the area to focus on?

So what did stan hide in his patents?

[h20power]

Hi Lads,
I think this is an interesting thread because someone took the time to compile anomalies that are likely to be missed or misunderstood if they don't know the science, I don't.

I have always wondered why so many appear to attempt replication using a main supply for power when I would have thought the goal was to use in a vehicle - thats why I wont replicate the 8xa because I don't see the point of spending a lot of $$$ on a board thats effectively tied to a mains supply.

Sure small single cell boosters may help reduce emissions and some if any fuel savings, but thats still a long way off from 100% water as fuel, and with the small available spaces in engine bays of a lot of vehicles is very limited i think makes a multiple cell idea limited - and I am not convinced that installation into the boot area (or trunk as yanks call them) to hold the WFC is the solution...

Is the injector the area to focus on?

So what did Stan hide in his patents?

Stanley Meyer hid a lot of information in plan view by making up his own definition of terms and even went further in using those new definitions to make other new definitions. This is perfectly legal in the patent office just as long as they have the definition of terms so that they can read it.

Just one example the term "Amp Leakage" truly means arcing between the plates and if you understand science that describes dielectric failure of the medium. So therefore Amp Leakage = Dielectric Failure. If one is to just takes the words at face value they would end up with a totally different meaning like Lindemann did saying it all was a catastrophic dielectric failure. That bit of misunderstanding took everyone 180 degrees in the wrong direction, as now they all were looking to get the dielectric medium to fail. When if you read the patent and understand what was going on Meyer did everything possible to prevent the dielectric medium from failing so that the medium could be ionized. The reason for ionizing the medium is to get the medium to eject electrons. In the water molecule the electrons are shared and the rule of ionization is the electrons that are furthest away from the nucleus are the first to go. With the water molecules those electrons are responsible for holding the atoms together to form the water molecule once they go so does the molecule.

Now you can read this whole thread and not get any type of good information like that which is why I say it is thread doesn't have anything to aid anyone to finding a replacement for oil, coal, nuclear energy or the rest. Nothing here will help anyone in any way what so ever.

Here is another bit of needful information you will not find in this thread. Why did Meyer add so much resistance to the system with respect to the water for fuel technology? I mean he ran the chokes at resonance which turns them into very large resistors, he talks of using resistance wire, and with the injectors used 430FR wire, but why? The reason is simple water has a very low electrical breakdown voltage so if it is to be ionized a lot of resistance would be needed to cut the short circuit currents in the system so there is no dielectric failure as voltage is built up in the system to the point where water starts to ionize. In the injectors Meyer had an all new problem in that he was now using 20k volts and up. In that space gap even the air would have dielectric failure with the voltages being used. Now you can see why with the injectors he used 430FR wire so that he could cut down the short circuit currents in the system so none the mediums would fail dialectically and would be ionized instead.

This is what adding science to the work of Meyer's does, it gives answers to the questions of just how did Meyer make use of water as a source of fuel. Again I point out to you that you will not find any type of information like this in this thread as it's goal is to just point out where Meyer hid stuff or where he made attempts to protect the technology from being stolen so that he could profit from his work. Good science is good observation, and the author of this thread doesn't observe anything with respect to trying to figure out just how Meyer made use of water as a source of fuel. This single post of mines gives more answers to questions than this entire thread does, does it not?

Now with the 8xa circuit you need to understand that it is a Voltage Intensifier Circuit(VIC) and can help you to understand how Meyer did what he did and at a cost of $35 for a board from Tony Woodside it really doesn't cost all that much. Another thing if you cut corners and be cheap with this technology that action alone will result in failure to get the technology working. I see it all the time people building single tube ER arrays when the word "Array" means more than one. Using one tube fully immersed in water will result in too great of a load being placed on the VIC transformer for the wire sizes Meyer talks about using in the patent.

I rest my case.

h2opower

[Torana]

Here we go again...
So on your thread you were waiting for a challenge before i even knew you existed ,so basically YOUR AFTER ME!     I was actually asked onto this site to help someone.
Obviously your NOT too humble and you didnt really want anyone to point to your mistakes.
**Can I correct you yet again?
Water has a VERY HIGH electrical breakdown voltage. Vbd stands for breakdown voltage
Vbd = Eds.d
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_PF_6w5tz30J:www.waterfuelconverters.com/SandiaNationalLabsData.html+breakdown+voltage+of+water&hl=en&gl=nz&strip=1  **SCIENCE**
Rudenko, Tsvetkov 1964 =50MV metre
Decomposition potential of water = 1.229VDC  Pretty much ALL schools have this basic info
http://www.learnonline.com/pdf/Parallax%20Fuel%20Cell%20-%20Decomposition%20of%20Water.pdf   **MORE SCIENCE**
*You might want to learn about fluorescents and neons...Whoops !   helping again.
Ive put links up everywhere..simple..Im NOT FORCING anything, Its a personal choice to learn or NOT.
Have you found a replacement for a SCR yet ?
You NEED that before you can replace OIL.

I see you were banned from AAC
@ 2009 you were asking for help and 2 years later your using a phase control device (SCR) on a fullwave circuit...
http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=27203

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon-controlled_rectifier
SCR ..AGAIN!   R stands for R E C T I F I E R ! !

Your AAC thread is exactly the same as it is today, Hasnt changed at all.

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=mob2ttn3gm98c6j9ia39gt3t16&action=register
Wouldnt it make sense to join ionizationx ?

Obviously your still pissed that I corrected you on time constants , SOMEBODY had to.  I was trying to help you then as NOW!
* READ about the SCR, the **1981 ** 8XA
is a DUD!   Whats a 7490 for? decreasing freqs are the opposite of harmonics and higher energy. Yes really.
We both know you struggle with electronics so why would I rip into ya?
* ther science tally is actually quite high thus far.

[Hope]

Catalytic Carbon is a great way to release H out of H2O and this stuff is not costly.  It is used in high end water filters like Calgon's.  See this chemist at this like understands this.

http://www.phillipscompany.4t.com/CT.pdf

[ramset]

Painful stuff to watch here!!
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Tony Woodside Feels he has something special happening?
To my untrained eye it would seem impressive,to me untrained ear
his high voltage low amperage claims seem to make sense?

Torana
Have you seen his work?

Chet