**UN-CENSORED" Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit ??

[fuzzytomcat]

Glen,

May I ask what your stance is on the RA circuit at this time? It is unclear whether you still support the device being COP>1 or not.

Thanks,
.99

Hi .99

I'm happy to answer this as your one of the members here that actually watched and participated in several "LIVE" broadcasted presentations of the experimental device in operation.

I'll have to stand with my comments posted at Energetic Forum until better data is available from more sophisticated equipment than I was able to acquire for testing and evaluation  .... http://www.energeticforum.com/93746-post74.html (May-02-2010)  ....

This video as you are aware is one of the best ever recorded representation of the preferred mode of operation but only in a non stop 5 Hour video. I'm sure that many members and guests don't realize the difficulty in capturing this effect for the purpose of recording the data properly and if given the time looking at the recorded video everyone can see the problems that we face in getting accurate data.

The constant 24 volt battery bank voltage fluctuations going up and down the Mosfet "drain" spike oscillating from 500 to 900 volts, battery voltage down the Mosfet spikes, battery voltage up the Mosfet voltage to normal operating range, back and forth over and over.

I have tried to get as close to this mode of operation in Test #13 which was used in the IEEE submittal Open Source Evaluation of Power Transients Generated to Improve Performance Coefficient of Resistive Heating Systems the team including yourself did, and in Test #22 but never being able to record the data scientifically correct because of the circuits complex oscillating waveforms. I don't think everyone, members and guests understands that the Test #13 was done with a Tektronix TDS 3054C which has a maximum resolution of 10K of data spread over a 10 x 10 grid or divisions so each one has 1k of data samples separately for each of the 4 channels. The data collected in Test #22 was with a Tektronix DPO 3054 which has a maximum resolution of 5M of data, but I used the 100K which is spread over the same 10 x 10 grid or divisions so each one has 10k of data samples separately for each of the 4 channels ..... ten ( 10 ) times the data of the TDS 3054C used in Test #13.

The problem being we need to find a method of capturing the data continuously in real time, there's nothing wrong with Tektronix TDS 3054C or the DPO 3054 these are the finest instruments I've ever used and are extremely accurate, but if you push the acquire button at the wrong time you can appear to get conflicting or skewed data, not the case .... were you before the spike, during the spike or after the spike when the data was collected. I had a allotted dedicated set time to record the data, It was the time frame I used with the 6 minutes or as fast as the data could be physically collected with the finest equipment I had at my disposal.

I am in total agreement with you that something "good" is happening in the Mosfet Heating Circuit and can be plainly seen in the recorded videos, we just need to somehow get a streaming real time data recording. Maybe by somehow obtaining a Real-Time Spectrum Analyzers from Tektronix or some other method to verify the data findings as you suggested, the equipment I previously used as good as it is, just isn't enough to totally capture what is occurring during the preferred mode of operation.

Experimental Device "Preferred Mode of Operation" Video References -

5-Hour non stop video recording on January 9, 2010  (Tektronix TDS 3054C)
http://www.energeticforum.com/93710-post70.html
http://www.livestream.com/opensourceresearchanddevelopment/video?clipId=pla_6d255c76-9e9a-42ae-a565-fbc698e0b6df

5-hour non stop recording on January 24, 2010 (Tektronix 2445A)
http://www.energeticforum.com/93864-post76.html
http://www.livestream.com/opensourceresearchanddevelopment/video?clipId=pla_b2e705b9-bf90-4bee-8009-2b323d8bc7ae

5-hour non stop recording on January 24, 2010 (Tektronix DPO 3054)
http://www.energeticforum.com/84906-post15.html  (Test #22 - Data only, not a video broadcast)
http://livestre.am/f8c

Best Regards,
Glen

[TinselKoala]

Well, if we are being "precise" let's have some precision from Rosemary.

What about all those contradictions in the quotes from her that Glen has listed above?

When does a 5-times rejected paper earn the right to be called an "IEEE Paper"?
When does a patent APPLICATION earn the right to be referred to as a "Patent"?
When does submission of a device to an agency -- without receiving a report back -- become "endorsement" or "vetting" by that agency?

And in case you forgot, Wilby, I used a different MOSFET in my initial tests. One that works a lot better in making heat than the IRFPG50, but no different in making free energy. I know this because I DID COMPARATIVE TESTS of many different mosfets in the Ainslie circuit. Not simulations -- although simulations can be extremely valuable.

As an aside, it's funny when people distrust simulations based on conventional physics....but will accept test data that SUPPORTS THEIR CONJECTURES when taken with conventional instrumentation...but will reject test data that does NOT support their conjectures when taken with the same instrumentation at higher resolution. Cracks me up every time.

[poynt99]

Glen,

In summary then, can it be said that it is your current opinion that the question of whether the RA circuit achieves COP>1 is inconclusive?

.99

[Harvey]

Well, if we are being "precise" let's have some precision from Rosemary.

What about all those contradictions in the quotes from her that Glen has listed above?

When does a 5-times rejected paper earn the right to be called an "IEEE Paper"?
When does a patent APPLICATION earn the right to be referred to as a "Patent"?
When does submission of a device to an agency -- without receiving a report back -- become "endorsement" or "vetting" by that agency?

And in case you forgot, Wilby, I used a different MOSFET in my initial tests. One that works a lot better in making heat than the IRFPG50, but no different in making free energy. I know this because I DID COMPARATIVE TESTS of many different mosfets in the Ainslie circuit. Not simulations -- although simulations can be extremely valuable.

As an aside, it's funny when people distrust simulations based on conventional physics....but will accept test data that SUPPORTS THEIR CONJECTURES when taken with conventional instrumentation...but will reject test data that does NOT support their conjectures when taken with the same instrumentation at higher resolution. Cracks me up every time.

It is impossible to provide precision where this exact system is involved without very expensive data collection equipment. In addition to overlapping Real Time Analysers it would be necessary to store terabytes of data during a total battery expenditure. In the only rundown test I'm aware of, the batteries reached approximately 50% of their voltage after 13 hours (IIRC), and the discharge rate declines as the voltage declines similar to a capacitive discharge curve, so 13 hours would not even represent the first time constant in a 5t discharge cycle (the first tc is about 66% of the total capacity with each subsequent tc being 66% of the remaining charge). However, the gate to source voltage would prohibit the circuit from running below 2V as the Hexfet would cease to function at this point, and it is unlikely that the 555 would continue function below it's rated minimum operating voltage of 4.5V. Therefore the final tc would be lost for a 24V battery bank, but even then we would be sure to have at a minimum about 52 hours with Glen's configuration before the system stops working. With 52 hours of continuous data, you can imagine the data storage capacity needed.

IIRC, we provided 3 samples about every 6 minutes at 40µs, 20µs and 2µs per division. There are 10 divisions of data each, giving 400µs, 200µs and 20µs for a total of 620µs for each sample. With 10 such samples, this offers 6200µs of data for a 1 hour test. There are 1,000,000µs in each second, and there are 3600 seconds in an hour. So out of a possible three billion six hundred million microseconds, we only grabbed six thousand two hundred microseconds of data for a test that was only 1/52 of the time necessary for a full analysis. That is about than one part per 30 million or 0.03 parts per million sample size.

To make matters worse, the record clearly shows that Professor Iravani with IEEE corresponded that a reviewer in his team specifically targeted the 555 circuit as a culprit for currents flowing in the current sensing resistor thereby skewing the results. I argued with her for several hours that at the very least this had to be addressed in a post test. I later showed in the paper, that up to 6W of energy are able to flow through the gate barrier in that fashion. Under extreme protest she reluctantly agreed that this test could be performed, it involved adding a second current sensing resistor in the timer ground leg so that it's values could be subtracted from the power circuit current values. Unfortunately, we only have a grand total of a paltry 2µs of data for that test - hardly enough to hang a hat on as precise. However, that minuscule test did show the currents to be in our favor indicating that the 555 circuit was not adding to the indicated power, but instead was stealing from it by a very small margin. If I did the analysis correctly - I couldn't get anyone in the forum to review my work and post their analysis. Whatever the case, it was no where near the thermal differential observed whether we added it or subtracted it. So I ASSUMED that if we projected that 2µs over the entire series of tests that the timer circuit was not interjecting energy into the readings, but this is only a big guess - completely unproven.

But that's not all - then we have to address the serious problem of DC heating verses Aperiodic heating. To my surprise, these resistors act very different when you run DC through them as compared to running AC through them for the exact same voltage and current. To compound this problem, the closer we get to microwave (>300MHz) frequencies in the aperiodic harmonics, the worse these comparisons become. This sent me reeling as all of our tests were based on a painstaking DC baseline that Glen expertly performed, and now I discover we are comparing apples to oranges. The only way to get precision would be to do a series of collective tests on the resistor mapping it's temperature to frequency response using as close a pulse envelope as possible to that being used in the aperiodic operation. An almost impossible task even for a precision lab like you work in.

In addition to this we also have the problem with 'spot' measurements for the thermal readings. While great care was taken to keep the measurement device in the same orientation and distance, the recorded measurements were the result of several readings along the surface of the resistor in various places looking for the hottest spot and not all readings were taken on the same exact spot. Furthermore, the readings themselves are extremely subjective based on the assumption that the materials used would be radiating IR (see blackbody radiation) in agreement with what would be transferred conductively. It was assumed that since the resistor was continuously dissipating heat into the still air by convection that the IR reading would be a conservative value. However, it should be considered that IR is a form of electromagnetic radiation and this circuit has proven to be an EM transmitter at least in the RF regions. If it also proves to be an IR transmitter, the true energy output could be greatly skewed. These heaters are an example of that. Poor thermal transfer conductively, but huge thermal transfer via EM radiation.


That is why in the end I realized that the only accurate means to measure the battery power to thermal energy on such an aperiodic circuit was to use a hydrometer and calorimeter. I am very hopeful that Gad will be successful in his tests in this regard. He has a special electronic charger that will tell him how much energy is needed to recharge a battery after a test has been performed and he is making a calorimeter using a vacuum container (Thermos) and lab grade (0.5° C) glass thermometer. I really think his tests will give us the precision we are looking for. In this case, the outer coating of the Thermos is specifically designed to keep the IR band within the container. This way we get both readings, the thermally conductive AND the IR absorbed by the water. I think this is very important to be precise, don't you?

There are two scientifically plausible explanations for the 'extra' heat claimed:

1. Solar Flares. The Solar cycle is an 11 year cycle. The original tests were done at a time that we were in a Solar Maximum. No records exist to show success during the Solar Minimum following. We have just left the Solar minimum and are climbing toward the Solar Maximum. Therefore, if we have an increase of successes as we approach it's peak, and a decline of successes following - this would be a good indicator over a 2 cycle period (22 years)  that the circuit derives its extra energy from Solar activity.

2. Positrons. As far as science knows, positrons are very short lived and don't seem to exist in the same quantities as negatrons (electrons). However Paul Dirac and T.H. Moray both alluded to a Sea of particles within the vacuum that remain suspended and separate from our material universe. The possibility exists that positrons in this 'Sea' can become entangled with specific magnetic pulses (sharp, steep pulses) and then get dragged back into the inductive material as the magnetic field collapses. When a positron and an electron combine, the result is a gamma photon and the energy represented by that photon is far greater than that of just the electron itself. Gamma photons could be absorbed by the resistor material and the energy manifested as heat. Furthermore, the annihilation of the electron also creates an imbalanced current reading where electrons leave the battery but never return and depending on how you measure the 'flow', this open system could give the illusion that little or no power was being taken from the battery because Kirchhoff's law would fail in this special case.

Of course there are the usual suspects of dielectric heating, ultrasonic heating, induction heating, etc. With so many possible explanations for the observed behavior it really does beg definitive precise data showing unequivocal proof of the claims while clearly removing all doubt as to what the true source of the 'extra' energy is, if it really exists. As we all well know, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof, and using a magnetic field as a thermal energy reservoir in a COP > 17 calculation is an extraordinary claim.

I for one await her precision proof because it is grossly lacking in all of the links she provides.

Harvey

[WilbyInebriated]

And in case you forgot, Wilby, I used a different MOSFET in my initial tests. One that works a lot better in making heat than the IRFPG50, but no different in making free energy. I know this because I DID COMPARATIVE TESTS of many different mosfets in the Ainslie circuit. Not simulations -- although simulations can be extremely valuable.

As an aside, it's funny when people distrust simulations based on conventional physics....but will accept test data that SUPPORTS THEIR CONJECTURES when taken with conventional instrumentation...but will reject test data that does NOT support their conjectures when taken with the same instrumentation at higher resolution. Cracks me up every time.

i haven't forgotten. i also recall you telling me that the mosfet choice would NOT make a bit of difference, and then much later after having proven the opposite of that, y'all got excited about avalanche mode, etc. still waiting for your mea culpa on the whole mosfet choice thing, i imagine i'll be waiting indefinitely.

it IS funny... to whom are you referring? i hope you're not meaning me, as i have accepted no such data. as an aside, why is it that you choose to not reconcile YOUR OWN CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS before moving on? i have been trying for quite some time to get you to reconcile them... last time i pressed the issue, you ran off swearing and crying about how you were going to take your ball home and not play with us anymore. what happened to that? i expect you will avoid answering to those contradictions just as you and yours usually does.