What kind of oscilloscope should I get? Anyone know of where to get a deal on one besides ebay? Anyone willing to sell me one?
Quote from: Taylor1992 on December 29, 2010, 11:03:26 PM
What kind of oscilloscope should I get? Anyone know of where to get a deal on one besides ebay? Anyone willing to sell me one?
That's a tricky one. You may wanna take a look at the thread I opened yesterday: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10177.msg268776#new
Plenty of Scope tutorials on Youtube.
Here`s one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTG6jWL0ZqA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTG6jWL0ZqA)
As for the best deal, if you don`t want to use Ebay, that depends on where you are located.
Quote from: Lakes on December 30, 2010, 05:48:33 AM
Plenty of Scope tutorials on Youtube.
Here`s one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTG6jWL0ZqA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTG6jWL0ZqA)
As for the best deal, if you don`t want to use Ebay, that depends on where you are located.
That's OK but for our purposes we do need better accuracy than the usual 8-bit scopes provide. Even the high-end 12-bit won't be enough. The 14-bit scopes are a rarity, it seems, and even that's not enough. Also, another very, very important point which these tutorials always miss to comment on -- the probes. I can't emphasize too strong how important the proper probes are and those proper probes are usually more expensive than the oscilloscope itself. So, for a, say, $3,000 dollar scope we're talking $10,000 for probes or something like that. The passive probes that come with the scope are crap, especially for the purposes of the studies we're discussing here. They can be used in the preliminary studies but for good, solid conclusions they should be avoided.
Can someone point me to a good deal on one on ebay then?
I've been looking threw them and not enough information is given for someone who doesn't know much about them like me to make an educated purchase.
How much do you want to spend?, do you want a standalone scope or a PC USB one?
I would prefer to keep it in the 300 dollar range. Didn't really want to use a USB one because of their limitations.
Quote from: Taylor1992 on December 30, 2010, 12:23:47 PM
I would prefer to keep it in the 300 dollar range. Didn't really want to use a USB one because of their limitations.
Then I don't think you should bother at all if you want to do quality work. With a 300 dollar oscilloscope it is out of the question. A good oscilloscope with all the needed paraphernalia is on the order of $30,000 and more and even these provide results that can be questioned. Look what's happening with Steorn. No one else has the scopes they have and yet, there are still questions (I'm not talking about the questions due to the massive incompetence displayed by the likes of those participating in forums such as the village of the banned).
Quote from: Omnibus on December 30, 2010, 12:30:54 PM
Then I don't think you should bother at all if you want to do quality work. With a 300 dollar oscilloscope it is out of the question. A good oscilloscope with all the needed paraphernalia is on the order of $30,000 and more and even these provide results that can be questioned. Look what's happening with Steorn. No one else has the scopes they have and yet, there are still questions (I'm not talking about the questions due to the massive incompetence displayed by the likes of those participating in forums such as the village of the banned).
This is all confusing to me, in the sense that, a year ago I purchased a used tek 100Mhz scope on ebay for 150 bucks. Works well. And 15 years ago it was pretty top notch with its technology. They used it for quality work then - why cant it still be used for quality work? You're suggesting that if you only have 300 bucks you shouldn't bother? I'd be lost without my scope :)
Quote from: void109 on December 30, 2010, 12:50:54 PM
This is all confusing to me, in the sense that, a year ago I purchased a used tek 100Mhz scope on ebay for 150 bucks. Works well. And 15 years ago it was pretty top notch with its technology. They used it for quality work then - why cant it still be used for quality work? You're suggesting that if you only have 300 bucks you shouldn't bother? I'd be lost without my scope :)
The area we're dealing with (OU research) is very, very tricky. It's not your usual research and I don't think 15 years ago people were even thinking of doing this kind of research (aside from some fringe researchers as far back as the Tesla times). Since you're in this forum I guess you'll be trying to do OU research. If you need a scope for sokething else you'd probably be well off with something cheaper. With $300 here you're lost unless you come up with a self-sustaining device but then you'll hardly need a scope to begin with.
I'm not really sure what Omnibus is referring to that needs a $30k scope but any scope is better than no scope and will let you see some things you otherwise would not have a clue about. I got a 400 Mhz digital Phillips / Fluke scope on fleabay a few years ago for around $300. It has worked great other than when it popped a couple power supply caps after a couple years. I replaced them myself and it's still working great. I'm sure this scope was in the multi-thousand dollar range new.
I'd like to know exactly what factor it is that Omnibus thinks needs such an expensive scope. And is that new price? A used scope is often way less but may still have a lot of features and accuracy. What specifically requires such new state of the art equipment? Haven't we seen many inventors in the past build what we believe are OU devices without the need for such - which was obviously not even available when some inventors built devices.
I disagree. It's better not to have a scope than have a mediocre one that will give you confusing results every time you plug it in and make you believe you have OU while there's none. These faulty scopes are one of the reasons for those so many unjustified OU claims. As for the characteristics of a good scope, I already mentioned what they should be. Such scopes are in the tens of thousands, let alone the probes. Such scopes cannot be even rented let alone found second hand. The worst thing is that even with them the results can still be questioned, as I mentioned earlier. As for the people caliming OU, aside from Steorn, there has never been a claim (I'm talking about claim in the electromagnetic field because we're talking about scopes) which can come remotely to what science requires as proof of OU. Indeed, many people are working on this field but, aside from Steorn, there's nothing one can hang on to.
Umm, still learning here? I just need a scope so i can know what the F I'm doing, lol. Not really looking to make any overunity stuff right now, as I have to understand what's happening in the circuits first.
Okay Omnibus now I think I see what you are saying. If one wants a scope for the purpose of proving OU scientifically then one might need such a high end scope. But I don't think Taylor1992 is seeking one for that but rather just to have a clue what might be happening under certain circumstances. And I see now that is what he has stated. I concur with him that for basic learning of what is happening in circuits that a scope is a great tool even if it's only a $100 used scope. You will see things you could not see with a meter and it's almost like the difference between a radio talk show and a TV show. It is something I would not discourage anyone from getting.
Taylor1992,
Buy a cheapy secondhand for lets say 50 to 100 Dollars.
Make sure it works though.
The least you should have is a 20 MegaHertz double channel scope.
Most of the time there are probes with them but if they are not there buy some probes for them for lets say 50 dollars at the most.
You wont have the best of the best but you can now do some serious work.
I would also suggest to buy an analog multimeter (you know a multimeter with a needle), a cheapy with 20 KiloOhms a volt will do.
And about the scope, even a single channel 10 MegaHertz scope will help you, but I think a 20 MegaHertz double channel is better because you can compare signals.
I hope this helps you.
@omnibus
QuoteThen I don't think you should bother at all if you want to do quality work. With a 300 dollar oscilloscope it is out of the question.
I would disagree, I have built and tested hundreds upon hundreds of circuits including, Tesla coils, tesla oscillators, one wire conduction, wireless power transfer, the hairpin circuit, high voltage transient fields at thousands of volts/cm which charge all nearby objects and others I will not go into, and all on a analog scope I bought at a garage sale 20 years ago for $40. I can also tell you that I have a small 12v circuit that will easily wipe out all your precious equipment in milliseconds from over five feet away regardless of what probes you use or the ground connections because it does not charge by conduction. I also use a DSO however nine times out of ten my trusty old 1970's oscilloscope does everything I need, you see free energy is not about measuring things it is about understanding things and if your premise is flawed then any measurements are pointless.
@Taylor1992
I would suggest an analog oscilloscope with at least two channels and a range near 100Mhz, this will do most everything you need and they are cheap and easy to find. We should remember that an oscilloscope simply measures voltage over time and with a shunt we can measure current. As well you will need some 1X/10X probes which can be found on Ebay for around $30 but I would stay away from anything cheaper. I also use 100X high voltage probes I purchased for $100 across a tickler coil ( a small coil having a few turns to probe circuits ) for higher voltage circuits. I understand many might get quite a chuckle out of the equipment I use but I can assure you there would be no laughter if they knew what I have achieved with it. You see the equipment we use are simply tools and were never meant to replace intelligence, logic, abstract thought nor curiosity. An oscilloscope or any other tool will not give anyone free energy because free energy is not the product of any tool it is a product of the human mind and an inventive spirit.
Regards
AC
Now, it's my turn to disagree. OU studies are exclusively about measuring things. Understanding is easy, proper measuring is the difficult part. You say you've measured a lot of circuits, however, how many of them have found their place in peer-reviewed scientific journals. None, I guess, and that speaks volumes. Like I said, you may use cheap oscilloscopes, even analog ones for preliminary studies but for research level studies in the field of OU the high-end scopes are a must. Now, the fellow needs to start with something, to be able to learn. For that purpose your advice is fine and I agree with it. If he, however, wants to get into more advanced stuff a 300 dollar scope will not be at all sufficient. The field of OU is filled with studies which have no scientific merit because of poor equipment mainly and I don't think adding more to it is a good idea (learnining is a different story and that has nothing to do with OU research itself).
now all we need is real data for a peer-reviewed scientific journal article
Quote from: fritznien on December 31, 2010, 01:22:53 AM
now all we need is real data for a peer-reviewed scientific journal article
Correct, that's all we need. This, however, will never come about even if the most precise measurements are made with the top notch apparatus. Overunity is in a speciall class of banned subjects in these journals (which have the impact on the political decisions what the existing academic infrastructure is to be devoted to). Anyone dealing with OU should understand clearly that without publications in the leading peer-reviewed journals that infrastructure will never open for research in the field of OU. That is tragic because no garage enthusiasm, no private investors' money can compare to the efficiency and impact on society the mainstream academic infrastructure has. This has always been the case and will always be in the foreseeable future.
As is clear to almost everyone here, the only way to turn the tide is to present a self-sustaining device, readily reproducible by thousands if not millions of people around the world. Only such device can exert enough pressure to break the barriers separating the mainstream from what is now considered as fringe science -- the OU research.
Staying away from publishing their results and relying solely on the image of a business enterprise is one of the mistakes Steorn make, unfortunately. They are the only ones at present to have a chance of such publications in view of the superb equipment they have and the high quality data and assessment of it they generate. Unfortunately, it doesn't occur to them that such publications will also boost their buisiness prospects like nothing else can. There are some other OU enterprises which have used that approach (publishing) although in not so prestigious journals and Steorn may wanna take a look and compare its own business standing with that of these other OU enterprises and see for themselves.
Now, I'm saying the above with great pain in my heart because I don't want to see efforts wasted in business initiatives at this stage of the OU research but my understanding and theirs differ, I realize that but nevertheless I want to help in correcting that major mistake they are making (not trying to publish in, say, Nature or Physical Review Letters). Like I said, unless it is self-sustaining the likelihood of it being published tends to zero but they at least should submit papers and despite the embargo policy of these journals should have the interested parties observe the developments of that submission process. That will have immensely greater significance than doing secretive research waiting for meager investor handouts.
@All
As the new year is approaching I will go a little further, I have often asked the simple question-- what is it we are measuring with our oscilloscopes?. The common answer would be voltage over a known period of time however this must always lead to the next question --what is voltage? Here we may find the common answer is that voltage is a potential difference, that is voltage is not something tangible it is simply a "measure" of the difference between two charged states and it is the charged state which represents the potential. We should also understand that voltage is relative as it always involves two points, that is I can charge a capacitor to a know voltage and measure a voltage across the capacitor, I can measure a voltage from either terminal of the capacitor to the ground plane (earth), or measure a voltage from either terminal of the capacitor to a conductive surface having sufficient area. I can charge a single object and measure a voltage relative to any other object which is nearby whether this other object is bound to a closed path, a circuit, or not.
I have found in many cases that the way in which even most experts use an oscilloscope is somewhat archaic as I do not believe we should be limited to measuring a potential difference solely through conduction or induction which I have found can be very misleading. As such I developed differential charge detector arrays to measure point charge magnitude and differential magnitude thus velocity of the electric fields. In fact I have to wonder how one could understand anything in regards to any circuit within the severe limitations of measuring solely the effects of conduction and induction in conductors. It is as if there is this whole other world hidden from us beyond the boundary condition we know as the conductor which we refuse to acknowledge simply because we cannot see it. As well because we cannot see it and have not bothered to measure it we have assumed there is nothing there or that if there was something there it must have a condition which is "static" in nature. However if there is one lesson we should have learned from nature it is that there is no "static" non-motive condition in nature, even the apparent static condition must always have variable degrees of motion within and external to itself and this motion represents energy. This is basic physics and I think most know this occurs but the question remains, why have we not studied it further beyond what we have been told?.
I have also found through experiment that most all the standard tools we have at our disposal are simply not up to the task of giving us the answers we require. For instance did you know that when we touch a single terminal of a 12v battery, either (+) or (-), that the whole surface of our body assumes this charged state? Or that we can then hold in our hand an ungrounded wire in excess of 100 feet and this charged state from the single terminal of the battery acting through our body appears at the open end of the wire? I understand this is basic physics but the question I would ask is are we aware of this or have we considered why this must always happen and what the consequences of such an effect could be?. This may seem trivial to some but I do not consider any effect of any sort trivial by any means as every effect no matter how small has a purpose and has value when put in the right context. As well I have found that in certain instances a resistor or resistance can fail to resist ot impede anything which leads to the question of whether current can be accurately measured when the current refuses to produce a voltage drop across the resistance, is that weird or what.
So in this coming new year I would hope I have given some here reason to pause and consider the things they build in new ways or from a new perspective. I have found in every case that it is not so much what we build but the extent of our understanding of what we build, it is the attention to every little detail no matter how small and the consideration of an action and its many effects which would seem to matter the most.
Best wishes and a happy new year
AC
I'm always open to new ideas but I don't see any in your text. Current, for instanc,e can be measured without breaking the circuit, using a Hall effect probe, and that is the most accurate measurement because it involves the electromagnetic field around the conductor which is the measure of the passing current. So, the problem of shunts you pose when measuring current is in fact moot. As for the voltage, aside from passive probes there are active probes and there are also differential probes which eliminate the measuring of the potential against the ground but give the potential difference between two arbitrarily chosen points, the goal of the measurement. Where's the problem, then, and what is the novelty in your approach? The biggest concern with the voltage probes is that their input impedance isn't sufficient enough (not greater than 1MOhm) and the presence of a capacitive component. The accuracy of measuring the potential is also a problem, as I already mentioned, as well as the intrinsic problems in the modern digital storage oscilloscopes of processing the digital data. I don't understand what these static conditions are of measuring the potential you talk about. Hence, I have no idea what this "whole other world hidden from us beyond the boundary condition" really is. Methods of measuring potential are well understood and the problem is to have proper eqipment available to implement them. There's no hidden world there, only lack of means to enjoy the achievements of our industrialized civilization. In a word, I don't see your point.
@Ominibus
QuoteNow, it's my turn to disagree. OU studies are exclusively about measuring things. Understanding is easy, proper measuring is the difficult part. You say you've measured a lot of circuits, however, how many of them have found their place in peer-reviewed scientific journals. None, I guess, and that speaks volumes. Like I said, you may use cheap oscilloscopes, even analog ones for preliminary studies but for research level studies in the field of OU the high-end scopes are a must. Now, the fellow needs to start with something, to be able to learn. For that purpose your advice is fine and I agree with it. If he, however, wants to get into more advanced stuff a 300 dollar scope will not be at all sufficient. The field of OU is filled with studies which have no scientific merit because of poor equipment mainly and I don't think adding more to it is a good idea (learnining is a different story and that has nothing to do with OU research itself).
I guess we will agree to disagree to some extent which is not uncommon in these forums, as far as measurement goes I think it is straight forward and use the black box method. The device whatever it is can be considered as the black box and the input/output are storage capacitors as such the measurement is related solely to voltage. I understand there are many issues with capacitors but they are far less of a concern than complcated measurements and calculations which in themselves generate errors.
I also liked your posts on documentation and peer review as there seems to be a growing number of claims with a decreasing amount of proof to substantiate the claims. To be honest I do not mind outright claims without proof as it leaves a lot to the imagination which can lead to new insight but little actual progress is made. In the end however the amount of measurable progress is what will matter to people and this progress will be a result of documentation and concrete proof not claims.
Regards
AC
@Omnibus
QuoteI'm always open to new ideas but I don't see any in your text. Current, for instanc,e can be measured without breaking the circuit, using a Hall effect probe, and that is the most accurate measurement because it involves the electromagnetic field around the conductor which is the measure of the passing current. So, the problem of shunts you pose when measuring current is in fact moot.
I would agree and have hall effect probes I have designed and built however this does not address the issue of what happens when the "current" in question has little or no magnetic component and prefers the space exterior to the conductor, a motional electric field.
QuoteAs for the voltage, aside from passive probes there are active probes and there are also differential probes which eliminate the measuring of the potential against the ground but give the potential difference between two arbitrarily chosen points, the goal of the measurement. Where's the problem, then, and what is the novelty in your approach? The biggest concern with the voltage probes is that their input impedance isn't sufficient enough (not greater than 1MOhm) and the presence of a capacitive component.
Again I would agree however this does not address the issue of what happens when the "current", and I use this term loosely, in question has little preference whether it conducts over the surface of a metallic conductor or an insulator such as plastic or ceramic. As you can imagine the term input impedance would take on a whole new meaning as the impedance would simply force the energy to take an alternate route, the path of least resistance on the surface of the probes to the oscilloscope which defeats the purpose of the measurement.
QuoteThe accuracy of measuring the potential is also a problem, as I already mentioned, as well as the intrinsic problems in the modern digital storage oscilloscopes of processing the digital data. I don't understand what these static conditions are of measuring the potential you talk about. Hence, I have no idea what this "whole other world hidden from us beyond the boundary condition" really is. Methods of measuring potential are well understood and the problem is to have proper eqipment available to implement them. There's no hidden world there, only lack of means to enjoy the achievements of our industrialized civilization. In a word, I don't see your point.
Here is one example, I start a relatively small circuit (6"x6"x6")powered from a 12v motorcycle battery and all metallic objects on the bench start arcing over onto one another and my analog oscilloscope three feet away starts making sharp cracking noises as it arcs over internally with the probes not connected to anything which are also three feet away, the scope is not on. As well plastic trays, tools and bench coverings will become charged and retain this charge long after any conductors have become partially neutralized when the device has stopped operating. I think it is fairly obvious what would happen to a DSO when one considers the internal electronic components in it and this is part of the reason I prefer my old analog scope. Would you wager to guess how long your DSO would last with many of the internal circuit connections arcing over as my old analog scope was? As well I should have mentioned that this arcing had occurred a few times and my oscilloscope still works perfectly. I blame that infernal Nikola Tesla for introducing me to this crazy world where many things simply do not act as they should, he was a brilliant man.
Regards
AC
I thank you both for the insight. It's always nice to have some veteran enthusiasts provide feedback, but I'll have to ask that you two peacocks stop posturing on this thread, as you are blowing up my in-box. ;)
Hey buddy, go get yourself a scope and stop bothering people here and calling them names. What a prick.
Taylor is right. He asked a simple question about recommendations on where to purchase a scope.
I really don't think he's planning on submitting an article in some journal.
Taylor, I usually purchase my scopes on eBay. The higher the frequency the better. It all comes down to how much you want to spend. Even a 10-20mHz scope would be good to start out with. You can pick them up relatively cheap. There are sites that sell second hand test equipment but they seem to ask a little more then what you can find on eBay. Maybe try Kijijji. They even have a section "looking to buy". Someone out there has one that wants to get rid of it.
I do have a spare Tektronics scope that I might part with. PM me if you are interested. I'm not even sure but I think it's 50mHz.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 31, 2010, 10:42:44 AM
Hey buddy, go get yourself a scope and stop bothering people here and calling them names. What a prick.
Stay on topic and he wouldn't have a problem.
Quote from: MrMag on December 31, 2010, 03:12:07 PM
Taylor is right. He asked a simple question about recommendations on where to purchase a scope.
I really don't think he's planning on submitting an article in some journal.
Taylor, I usually purchase my scopes on eBay. The higher the frequency the better. It all comes down to how much you want to spend. Even a 10-20mHz scope would be good to start out with. You can pick them up relatively cheap. There are sites that sell second hand test equipment but they seem to ask a little more then what you can find on eBay. Maybe try Kijijji. They even have a section "looking to buy". Someone out there has one that wants to get rid of it.
I do have a spare Tektronics scope that I might part with. PM me if you are interested. I'm not even sure but I think it's 50mHz.
He must be an imbecile no to know he can purchase a scope on ebay. You don't open a thread to be told trivialities. Besides, other people are reding this forum too, other thantheopes opening threads, who really wanna read about the issues with scopes related to OU.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 31, 2010, 03:21:02 PM
He must be an imbecile no to know he can purchase a scope on ebay. You don't open a thread to be told trivialities. Besides, other people are reding this forum too, other thantheopes opening threads, who really wanna read about the issues with scopes related to OU.
Before making rude unnecessary comments, go reread his first post. He wants to know if there is a place OTHER then eBay.
This thread has nothing to do with issues with scopes related to OU. I guess until someone comes up with OU will we really know if there are any issues? Maybe you should start a new thread for that discussion.
Happy New Years all.
Quote from: MrMag on December 31, 2010, 03:29:57 PM
Before making rude unnecessary comments, go reread his first post. He wants to know if there is a place OTHER then eBay.
This thread has nothing to do with issues with scopes related to OU. I guess until someone comes up with OU will we really know if there are any issues? Maybe you should start a new thread for that discussion.
Happy New Years all.
He is asking but this is not his own forum to ask questions oblivious of the fact that, as I said, other people also read it and may be misguided by the plainness of his asking. There are major issues with the scopes in OU research and that should be the leading point which should come across to anybody contemplating studies in OU with this instrument. Yes, there are hillbillies who don't want to hear about science, journals, issues and so on and are only interested in their little world but they should not be encouraged. This is not a site for hillbillies only interested in themselves, their own utility bills and stuff.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 31, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
He is asking but this is not his own forum to ask questions oblivious of the fact that, as I said, other people also read it and may be misguided by the plainness of his asking. There are major issues with the scopes in OU research and that should be the leading point which should come across to anybody contemplating studies in OU with this instrument. Yes, there are hillbillies who don't want to hear about science, journals, issues and so on and are only interested in their little world but they should not be encouraged. This is not a site for hillbillies only interested in themselves, their own utility bills and stuff.
Who said he thought it was his forum? Stop being an asshole. He asked a simple question and your just trying to look for an argument. Sorry, I have better things to do.
Quote from: MrMag on December 31, 2010, 03:58:29 PM
Who said he thought it was his forum? Stop being an asshole. He asked a simple question and your just trying to look for an argument. Sorry, I have better things to do.
You don't understand what I just said. It may seem a simple question to him but the question is not at all simple. Who is he or you, for that matter, to set the tone of this forum and determine what is simple, what is to be discussed and what is not to be discussed?
Quote from: Omnibus on December 31, 2010, 04:14:57 PM
Who is he or you, for that matter, to set the tone of this forum and determine what is simple, what is to be discussed and what is not to be discussed?
the same question could be asked of you... ::)
Quote from: Omnibus on December 31, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
This is not a site for hillbillies only interested in themselves, their own utility bills and stuff.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on December 31, 2010, 04:26:00 PM
the same question could be asked of you... ::)
Why? Because I don't want restrictions to be imposed on what is to be discussed and for being against hillbillies to set the tone of discussions, is that why? No, that won't work. I'm adamant about having the fredom to discuss things and curbing simpletons when they want to impose limits on that.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 31, 2010, 04:42:05 PM
Why? Because I don't want restrictions to be imposed on what is to be discussed and for being against hillbillies to set the tone of discussions, is that why? No, that won't work. I'm adamant about having the fredom to discuss things and curbing simpletons when they want to impose limits on that.
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Quote from: Omnibus on December 31, 2010, 04:14:57 PM
You don't understand what I just said. It may seem a simple question to him but the question is not at all simple. Who is he or you, for that matter, to set the tone of this forum and determine what is simple, what is to be discussed and what is not to be discussed?
So then I guess we should just have 1 thread to discuss everything under the sun? I'm not sure that you understand how forums are set up. Most forums set up separate sections relating to different areas of discussion. Within these sections are threads that are usually started by members to discuss specific topics within that section.
The topic of this thread is in his first post. This post as well as pretty much all of your posts are "off topic" and should be removed by the Administrator. It's like you starting a thread regarding the OU properties of SMOT and then I post in it telling you how clear the water in Jamaica is.
Quote from: MrMag on January 01, 2011, 01:11:01 AM
So then I guess we should just have 1 thread to discuss everything under the sun? I'm not sure that you understand how forums are set up. Most forums set up separate sections relating to different areas of discussion. Within these sections are threads that are usually started by members to discuss specific topics within that section.
The topic of this thread is in his first post. This post as well as pretty much all of your posts are "off topic" and should be removed by the Administrator. It's like you starting a thread regarding the OU properties of SMOT and then I post in it telling you how clear the water in Jamaica is.
You are trying to make it appear this way but it isn't. The entire exchange was focused exactly on oscilloscopes, the way they shoild be discussed and not the way a novice wants them discussed. If he wants to learn, then he should read the responses if not he may ignore it. So don't teach me how forums are set up. You are the one who should learn. Especially not to give analogies with Jamaica when there is not even a hint of that. As a matter of fact it your comments that have to be removed by the administrator because they are off topic and you are imposing your unrelated to the topic opinions. So before criticizing others try to be more critical towards your own actions.
Quote from: Omnibus on January 01, 2011, 01:59:15 AM
You are trying to make it appear this way but it isn't. The entire exchange was focused exactly on oscilloscopes, the way they shoild be discussed and not the way a novice wants them discussed. If he wants to learn, then he should read the responses if not he may ignore it. So don't teach me how forums are set up. You are the one who should learn. Especially not to give analogies with Jamaica when there is not even a hint of that. As a matter of fact it your comments that have to be removed by the administrator because they are off topic and you are imposing your unrelated to the topic opinions. So before criticizing others try to be more critical towards your own actions.
Another irrelevant and off topic post. Did you read his first post in the thread?
"What kind of oscilloscope should I get? Anyone know of where to get a deal on one besides ebay? Anyone willing to sell me one?"
I don't see in this post where he requests to discuss anything other then what kind of oscilloscope he should get, where to get it other then eBay, and if anyone has one to sell. PERIOD.
He never asked to learn anything. He could be a pro at using/reading a scope and just wondered where to purchase one.
You know your wrong, you will just never admit it. So go ahead, I'll let you get in the last word so that you can feel that you are right.
I said that and I will repeat it now once again. It doesn't matter what he requests. This is not Classifieds site for posting small ads when you want to buy or sell things. This you have to understand finally after repeating it to you already several times. This site discusses OU research and oscilloscopes are a major instrument used in this research and therefore a subject of continuous discussion every time they are mentioned.
By the way, I recommend that the administrator remove all your comments, such as the above, unrelated to the discussion at hand.
Btw, I recommend that the Administrator removes all of your thousands and thousands of pointless posts from this forum.
(It would be at least some kind of relief....)
Just kidding, it's kind of priceless to observe your "mentoring", "hitchhiking" or otherwise manipulating all the threads possible....
Just keep up with this excellent work of yours!
Quote from: spinn_MP on January 01, 2011, 04:54:34 PM
Btw, I recommend that the Administrator removes all of your thousands and thousands of pointless posts from this forum.
(It would be at least some kind of relief....)
Just kidding, it's kind of priceless to observe your "mentoring", "hitchhiking" or otherwise manipulating all the threads possible....
Just keep up with this excellent work of yours!
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Hehe, Omni, you are getting a bit nervous?
Why, oh why?
Quote from: spinn_MP on January 01, 2011, 05:36:46 PM
Hehe, Omni, you are getting a bit nervous?
Why, oh why?
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Oh, dear...
Omni, when did you stopped to take your medications?
You're (again), a record holder.... (+4600) of delirium posts....
It seems that you deny to comment "your (lol..) white paper", too...
Hey, if you somehow lost it, I can post it for you, here...
Quote from: spinn_MP on January 01, 2011, 05:46:57 PM
Oh, dear...
Omni, when did you stopped to take your medications?
You're (again), a record holder.... (+4600) of delirium posts....
It seems that you deny to comment "your (lol..) white paper", too...
Hey, if you somehow lost it, I can post it for you, here...
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I know, I know... Spam is closely related with your "work". No need to advertise your motto in so many threads.
So, how do you feel? Better?
Yep, medicine does miracles nowadays...
Quote from: spinn_MP on January 01, 2011, 06:01:34 PM
I know, I know... Spam is closely related with your "work". No need to advertise your motto in so many threads.
So, how do you feel? Better?
Yep, medicine does miracles nowadays...
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Quote from: Omnibus on January 01, 2011, 06:04:01 PM
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Now you're really starting to repeat yourself. The Tzar of the trolls and spammers is striking back...
You know how pathetic this "attempt" of yours really is?
And, i know, this is the oscilloscope thread. (surely you don't want me to post some of the links of yours, describing your first encounter with the oscilloscopes, only good year ago?).
What a joke...
And, I enjoyed your descriptions about the "hall probe principle of a current measurement"....
It was fun, definitely...
Quote from: spinn_MP on January 01, 2011, 06:31:38 PM
Now you're really starting to repeat yourself. The Tzar of the trolls and spammers is striking back...
You know how pathetic this "attempt" of yours really is?
And, i know, this is the oscilloscope thread. (surely you don't want me to post some of the links of yours, describing your first encounter with the oscilloscopes, only good year ago?).
What a joke...
And, I enjoyed your descriptions about the "hall probe principle of a current measurement"....
It was fun, definitely...
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Spam:
e.g.
"natural_asymmetry_in_electrical_systems" by (lol) OmniBot... The nr1.
I didn't know about the OU find (by you) in an RC circuit... ;D
Eh, I know the drill... Spam, correct?
Quote from: spinn_MP on January 01, 2011, 07:02:38 PM
Spam:
e.g.
"natural_asymmetry_in_electrical_systems" by (lol) OmniBot... The nr1.
I didn't know about the OU find (by you) in an RC circuit... ;D
Eh, I know the drill... Spam, correct?
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Spam:
e.g.
"natural_asymmetry_in_electrical_systems" by (lol) OmniBot...
What, no comment - at all?
Quote from: spinn_MP on January 01, 2011, 07:26:07 PM
Spam:
e.g.
"natural_asymmetry_in_electrical_systems" by (lol) OmniBot...
What, no comment - at all?
spam
Quote from: Omnibus on January 01, 2011, 07:27:01 PM
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spam! spam, spam spam SPam SpAm etc.
Hey, maybe in one of the next 47659 posts someone will, eventually, figure out that something is wrong....
And I bet it won't be Stefan Da-OU-Man.... ;D
Quote from: spinn_MP on January 01, 2011, 07:37:48 PM
spam! spam, spam spam SPam SpAm etc.
Hey, maybe in one of the next 47659 posts someone will, eventually, figure out that something is wrong....
And I bet it won't be Stefan Da-OU-Man.... ;D
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Spam:
e.g.
"natural_asymmetry_in_electrical_systems" by (lol) OmniBot...
What, no comment - at all?
Ok, I got your point (it was fun while it lasted).... I admit, I lost enthusiasm with all your "spam" posts....
Let's save that discussion of "white paper" of yours for some other time. It will be fun...
OmniBot, I wish a Happy New Year to your creators! What a hackers!
Quote from: spinn_MP on January 01, 2011, 07:55:37 PM
Spam:
e.g.
"natural_asymmetry_in_electrical_systems" by (lol) OmniBot...
What, no comment - at all?
Ok, I got your point (it was fun while it lasted).... I admit, I lost enthusiasm with all your "spam" posts....
Let's save that discussion of "white paper" of yours for some other time. It will be fun...
OmniBot, I wish a Happy New Year to your creators! What a hackers!
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Hope you all had a very pleasant first day of the new year!
I did get enough feedback from you guys to know what to look for in an oscilloscope, thanks all.