Hi Everyone,
I have started this thread to make you aware of the new forum recently formed by PNG Inc.
I was invited by Pam Riely to start a new thread informing of my technologies and I have taken this opportunity to compile a list of links and brief descriptions that bring order to chaos, especially for first time readers that have not followed my technology releases here.
I have a huge amount of respect for Ken Riely and his open sourcing of his work in conventional boundary layer turbines. It is my opinion that this is currently the finest resource available for learning about this subject and contains essential background information for understanding my technologies.
Here is the thread:
http://www.phoenixnavigation.com/ptbc/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15
Also have a look here at Ken's site:
http://phoenixnavigation.com/menu.htm
Here is a link to the PTBC archive that is difficult to access from the home page. You can find all the information by clicking on the previous or next article buttons:
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/gmpr/ptbc15.htm
Here is a link to a different site:
http://www.seabirdadventure.com/tesla-turbine/tesla-turbines-are-very-different
I hope you find all this information helpfull,
RM :)
Sir
You are an absolute GEM,the world needs more Men like you!
WOW much to read!
I really like the way this sounds!
Quote:
The HELT is a heavily modified Tesla Turbine that performs the dual functions of electricity generation and Hydrogen on Demand production.
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As A young man I repaired aircraft,I love turbines ;D
Thanks
Chet
Your welcome Chet :)
The world is full of men like me, they just need to find their reason.
Ken Riely is someone who found his reason. On his site he talks about the depletion of our Oxygen levels and his vision to restore it. He then set about realising that vision and shared his progress along the way, helping others progress with him in their own way, for their own reasons.
My reason was the children. When I became aware of how many were dying needlessly every day I set about doing something about it. I still do not know if I have been successful, but I have tried, and I hope I have helped.
And that's all it takes to change the world, a reason.
I have imagined in my mind a system that would be installed as part of the foundations of every new house built. Providing electricity, food, heat and water to the human occupier. Eventually it would allow self sufficiency for extra terrestrial exploration, once we have taken care of everyone on Earth.
These are very exciting times we find ourselves in :)
RM :)
Sir
You live the life,You teach by example !
You are most definately "THE RIGHT STUFF".
Buddy, we need more men like you!
I do feel your example will help this world "turn the corner"
Thanks
Chet
Hello Everyone,
The Phoenix Turbine Builders Club has been forced to use a password protection system for access due to spammers and trollers posting unrelated material. I have reproduced the text mentioned in the first link for your information.
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I was recently invited by Pam Riely to open a discussion thread here on my technologies that I have open sourced as a gift to the world.
I accept the invitation and will attempt to compile a sensible list of links with brief descriptions to make it easier for you to follow the process of my thought development over the last decade.
It is my intention to aid the world on setting a new direction free from energy tyranny and help save the children of the world. The children are our future.
I am an ex helicopter engineer of the British Army well versed in turbine theory. I have applied these skills in the body of work you are about to read.
It is important to note that I am an Interdisciplinarian and as such some of the work is not based on Tesla Turbines but on Wankel Rotary Engines and HHO generation techniques and technology. I am including it here as it contains information relevant to the entire project and is an important part in understanding what I have attempted to achieve.
So let us begin...
Hydro Electro Lytic Turbine:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/ar ... ead=181024
This was where the journey began for me and was the first in a long line of theoretical breakthroughs. The HELT is a heavily modified Tesla Turbine that performs the dual functions of electricity generation and Hydrogen on Demand production. This post is more about how to build one with out of phase opposing polarity discs, I cover the theory in a later release which we will get to soon. Enjoy :)
Hydro Electro Lytic Pump Architecture:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/ar ... ead=184723
This is where I first discuss the HELT variant, the HELP. The HELT is a turbine as it is driven via fluid pressure through a nozzle, The HELP is a pump and driven via a motor. Both produce HHO on demand. I also discuss here the HELPA which shows how overunity COP>1 energy can be utilised in a slave system to create exponential energy growth in a geometric sequence.
Freedom Energy System Architecture:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/ar ... ead=186038
This is a departure from Tesla Turbine technology and shows my vision of an overunity energy system that can be built with off the shelf components. The basic premise is that once the system is primed using stored electrical energy the energy to continue HHO fuel generation is provided by the rotary engines shaft output power in a self sustaining cycle. With the XR50 capable of providing 33 kW of energy at full power then theoretically 33 kW of energy should be available for HHO generation. This is HHO generation on an unheard of scale. I also show in this work how the excess energy can be used to provide a humans daily energy needs: electricity, food, drinking water and central heating.
The link below covers the above 3 technologies as released at overunity.com:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9913.0
Pulsed Electro Magnetic Hydro Electro Lytic Pump:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9919.0
This discusses some of the possibilities for HELP technology and some tips on how to go about building one. It is a disjointed post and does not read well, I have never written any of my work down prior to release and this post suffered from the stress of trying to communicate my thoughts. It still contains valuable information but is not "pretty".
HELTA:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10002.0
This is a very important post in the evolution of the project and is where i disclose the full theory of open system HHO generation. It covers the Energy Conversion Theory processes occurring inside the HELP and HELT and also provides information on off the shelf components and the toolkit I developed to plan my architecture designs.
Mechanical PWM Timed via Rotary Moment:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10061.0
This discusses a potential method for mechanical pulse width modulation timed via rotary moment, important for exploration of HELP frequencies for HHO generation.
FESA HHO Dry Cell Bank Power Distribution Model:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10153.0
This shows how to wire a Dry Cell HHO fuel generator bank to maximise electrical energy efficiency without wasting any by heating the electrolyte. If you can imagine this layout with an energy consumption of 33 kW then you grasp the scale of fuel generator hardware I am suggesting in the FESA.
Merry Christmass Everyone... Heres another little pressie for you all :)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10157.0
Here I show my idea for a Mini FESA that would be within the budget of most people and expand on the theory behind the FESA concept.
HELIS - Hydro Electro Lytic Injector System:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10218.0
This explores the possibility of using the off the shelf nozzle insert first documented in the HELTA to produce HHO in a pressurised environment at supersonic velocities. I also discuss HELP Boundary Layer Spacing Properties.
AHELNI - Advanced Hydro Electro Lytic Nozzle Insert:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10347.0
Here I show how it would be possible to merge the nozzle insert and its inverse into one component. I also discuss its possible use in a HHO resistor. The AHELNI is not going to be easy to machine but is a concept some might like to explore.
HHO Pulse Combustion Turbine by RM :)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10274.0
This is my final release completed just days ago. Here I show how I have used the principles we have learned about to design the Linear Firing Valve which should make a HHO Pulse Combustion Turbine a viable proposition. I also discuss some possible alternative prototyping methods and designs for building one. The HHO PCT has a special place in my heart that is only rivalled by the HELT/HELP devices.
I have not built any of the devices I have talked about here. I have never been in a financial position to do so. When I lost my job last year the prospect of prototyping the HELP and HELT disappeared and so I chose to release everything. This may have been a blessing in disguise as if I had been in a position to prototype the HELT when the concept was first conceived I probably never would have finished the other projects.
The point of prototyping would have been to remove "assumption" from my work, not to patent, I was always going to release my work to the world. As an engineer I hate making assumptions, as a scientist I am forced too. This marriage of the two disciplines has been the hardest aspect of the entire project.
I am currently awaiting news of prototyping from the Overunity group who have had the bulk of my work for months now. It is mighty quiet over there, and at times like these I am reminded of a statement by Nikola Tesla: "When its quiet, something is happening"
I will try and answer any questions you have about my work to the best of my ability.
Rob Mason :)
RotoMax Rotary Engine... Tesla â€" Wankel â€" Mason HHO Hybrid:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10451.0
The RotoMax Hybrid Turbine release was completed after the list above was compiled. This is a new concept for a turbine operating with a single rotor. The concepts of Impulse, Reaction and Boundary Layers are all utilised in this design, and it's variants.
The Linear Firing Valve is incorporated along with a new proposal for using a Voice Coil Firing Trigger and a K Valve to create PWM of a fluid state.
The LFV allows HHO to be combusted to drive the RotoMax, The K Valve creates a slower velocity, high mass flow rate of water through the turbine, that serves to provide drive and also acts as a buffer to absorb the rapid velocity of the HHO pressure wave and transfer more energy to the engine. The water also provides cooling through temperature differential balancing.
RM :)
many thanks for your efforts their is some great reading there
Mark
Hi Everyone,
An update to the technology list:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10609.0
I0toMax system utilises Disc Coil Generators to generate the DC electricity needed for a HHO reaction to occur.
The DCG's are powered by boundary layer reaction of high velocity fluid, and not by traditional rotary moment to electricity conversion as offered via PMA's.
The I0toMax is capable of producing a primary output of rotational moment via the mechanical system and a secondary output of HHO via the energetic system.
I0toMax cycles are self replicating and can therefore be exponentially expanded, producing a new fuel source as a secondary output of every cycle, until prime mover source energy is expended.
RM :)
Hi everyone,
A question was asked in a thread on my technologies over at the PTBC Forum, but unfortunately I am having log in difficulties and so cannot answer the question there, so hopefully Bob you will pick up my reply here :)
First off, I want to thank Rob for these great posts. they were very informative. I am a big believer in Andreas Rossi and his E-Cat invention on cold fusion. Based on that technology I have been looking for ways to generate electricity based on steam. The Tesla Turbine brought me to this site. Robs presentations has made me realize that I can do a lot with hydrogen.
I have been searching for formulas on how much electricity I need and how much Hydrogen that will generate.
I have 250 degree Centigrade steam and I can adjust the flow rate to some degree. In the very first post above it talked about energizing the disks to produce Hydrogen. Any idea on the conversion numbers. I could use this in a lot of ways if I can figure the requirements. Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks Bob
I have put up some new circuit diagrams for you and to show you my understanding of what is going on and what you need to do to utilise your heat source effectively.
Option 1 is the simplest as it only requires a turbine to convert steam pressure into rotary moment velocity and you have either AC or DC electricity from the PMA output. The turbine can be made completely from stainless steel as there is no electrolytic closed system crossover taking place. The only question you need to answer in order to implement this solution is how big a turbine, and at what pressure and mass flow rate, do you need to achieve the desired output from the PMA ? I cannot answer this for you unfortunately, I have a DC500 PMA sitting in the garage left over from the cancelled HELT project, but no funds to build the turbine. I could make a best guess, but you may want something more concrete than that.
Option 2 is a great option for HHO production, it builds on Option 1 and simply requires the addition of a HHO Dry Cell Bank as a load. The turbine remains completely built in stainless steel for longevity and the HHO plates in the bank replaced easily when they have corroded away. It may also be possible in this system to also remove the DC Battery Bank and wire the HHO Dry Cell Bank directly to the PMA Output via a central bus bar. If you have each of the dry cells wired with a heavy duty switch then you can activate them individually and so gradually load the turbine to prevent stalling RPM. Once you have a dry cell bank running you then have the question what to do with the HHO, I designed the Linear Firing Valve and RotoMax Engine to answer this question.
Option 3 uses a Hydro Electro Lytic Turbine (HELT) to create Hydrogen as a secondary output to run an LFV and RotoMax. Stainless Steel will degrade here and so requires R&D for a more suitable material.
Option 4 is 2nd Generation technology and uses an I0toMax Turbine to produce the secondary HHO output and feeds a PRotoMax Plasma Repulsor and PRotoMax Engine, which is also 2nd Generation technology.
Your best bet to utilise your heat source and steam at this point is either option 1 or 2. Once you have the stainless steel turbine you can drive the PMA and from then on your options open up as electricity can be easily manipulated for storage, distribution or utilisation in an additional process.
As at time of writing there is not a single piece of publicly available data on any of my inventions, so if you require that data you must collect it yourself or wait until it is publicly available. Option 1 does not require any of my inventions and can be built with known technology now today.
When you are considering your options you must carefully balance some critical parameters, I will take you through some things to consider now:
The DC500 PMA was selected because at the time I bought it, it was really cheap ($169), is built upon the Delco 10SI body which is the most common car alternator in North America, and has output charts readily available making it easy to visualise what you are trying to understand. Other alternators may put out more impressive figures than this one, the choice on alternator is up to you as the same rules apply when calibrating the system. The DC500 is also designed for motor driven application and so will work well with the turbine.
At 2000RPM the DC500 puts out 20V x 120A = 2400 Watts
At 10000RPM the DC500 puts out 100V x 150A = 15000 Watts
Boundary layer turbines operate at efficiency levels of approximately:
5000RPM = 60%
10000RPM = 70%
15000 RPM = 80%
20000RPM = 90%
So if you aim for 10000RPM as the desired operating speed for your turbine it will match well with the PMA in direct drive. The efficiency is of course less than a full 20000RPM but the trade off to be considered is that at twice the RPM the tip speed of the discs in the stack is at a much higher velocity increasing the shear forces within the material itself and risking critical failure.
10000RPM is a good trade off under these circumstances as your turbine disc diameter can be slightly increased to increase efficiency via more time the working fluid is interacting with the discs to compensate for a less efficient slower RPM. So at 10000RPM your PMA will be producing 15 Kw and your alternator charge controller needs to be rated for this, not a cheap option, so the HHO bank replaces the charge controller and converts the electrical energy to HHO while also acting as a dump load in an overcharge situation. The only question you then have is... what do you do with the HHO ?
The FESA HHO Dry Cell Bank Power Distribution Model is designed for 2400 Watts at 2000RPM on the PMA, if you change the operating speed of the turbine and the PMA you change the electrical energy produced and therefore must readjust your dry cell bank accordingly. At 15 Kw you are going to have a LOT of dry cell banks producing HHO and the bank effectively becomes a HHO manifold and can be tapped proportionally.
Any questions just ask and I will help you if I can, alternatively send me a private email if you prefer.
Rob Mason :)