I posted this at www.overunityresearch.com, but it doesn't hurt if it gets some exposure here as well.
I derived some conditions for which Lenz's law does not hold in ferromagnetic materials, at the macroscopic level. Take a look at the attached document and see if you spot any mistakes or omissions. The implications are huge!
EM
The simplest device can be just a biased ferrite rod or toroid that will self oscillate if biased correctly on the negative slope of the instantaneous permeability curve. This is similar to negative resistance circuits and Gunn diodes for generating microwaves.
EM
Nice find EMDevices! I assume you have built something that showed this effect? If so was it as simple as the diagram you have here? Can you give additional details on a sample circuit? I always like the sound of 'negative resistance circuits' :)
Hi EM,
Very good to see you my friend!
Another idea I have found, to "work around" Lenz's law, is a cog free PM generator. Two secrets to make it work...
1. Number of coils divided by number of magnets must be 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, etc to work. Example: If I have 24 coils, with 16 magnets, I take 24/16=1.5 No cog!
2. Each coil is to be seperated out individually, rectified and then the outputs combined.
And that's it.. It is already Patent pending, but not by me. Very cool stuff! It really works.
Kind regards,
Bruce
Hi Em_devices,
If I understand correctly, the battery is actually a pulsed or sine input? The cap keeps the core saturated so there is no lentz force reaction. The cap and inductor are just parallel LC resonance. Does that sound about right or did I miss something?.
I am playing with that idea right now based on a ferro-magnetic OU device disclosed by Hector. What is interesting is there and what I am working on is there may be an opportunity for symmetry breaking when an earth ground is used similar to Kapanadze and SR193 devices.
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on April 09, 2011, 11:31:20 PM
Hi EM,
Very good to see you my friend!
Another idea I have found, to "work around" Lenz's law, is a cog free PM generator. Two secrets to make it work...
1. Number of coils divided by number of magnets must be 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, etc to work. Example: If I have 24 coils, with 16 magnets, I take 24/16=1.5 No cog!
2. Each coil is to be seperated out individually, rectified and then the outputs combined.
And that's it.. It is already Patent pending, but not by me. Very cool stuff! It really works.
Kind regards,
Bruce
I am sorry, if you can not break down relativity then you can not violate any laws of physics at all.
EMDEvices,
The schematic as shown can't work since there is no way to charge the cap with DC in order to get it working.
Since you refer to biasing the negative slope I assume there must be more to the circuit than what you posted. Please post replication details.
Quote from: MrPayback on April 10, 2011, 12:00:00 AM
Hi Em_devices,
If I understand correctly, the battery is actually a pulsed or sine input? The cap keeps the core saturated so there is no lentz force reaction. The cap and inductor are just parallel LC resonance. Does that sound about right or did I miss something?.
....
Hi MrPayback,
I am afraid you misunderstand. My understanding is this (from the text by EMdevices):
The battery is just a pure DC source here to bias the core to its saturation area. I would add that you may wish to ponder on the shape of the core to have the smallest DC input to achieve that.)
The capacitor does not keep the core in saturation and you do not have to DC-charge it up for initiating saturation.
Yes the coil on the core and its parallel capacitor gives a resonance somewhere.
Gyula
Old knowledge. 1994 and earlier russian EE Ankvich pointed something which everybody overlooked : ferromagnetics concentrate magnetic field lines and employing delays
Biasing the core can be done with PM also, like this guy shows it in yt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGOFNrlVm1Q
I see 2 LC circuits.
maybe the thin winding is a original winding from this tv deflection core.
@EMdevices .Why can not the ferrite rod be biased by a permanent magnet??????
I think there is an error in the math which makes the condition for violation more complex. The error is in the derivative of a product:
You have V=-NA d(uH)/dt
u=u0ur
so V=-NAu0d(urH)/dt
according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_rule
that breaks down to:
V=-NAu0(urdH/dt + Hdur/dt)
so the condition you are looking for is:
ur dH/dt + Hdur/dt <0
In analysing ur dH/dt + Hdur/dt <0
I just realize it comes to the same interpretation. You want to operate in the negative slope of the ur curve, and the saturation region where dH/dt is small. In that case, it simplifies to :
Hdur/dt <0 if dH/dt is ~0
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/slideshows/eddycurrents/index.html
Quote from: neptune on April 10, 2011, 11:54:04 AM
@EMdevices .Why can not the ferrite rod be biased by a permanent magnet??????
the ferrite rod can be biased with a permanent magnet, not a problem.
@ wayne
In my derivations I usually do a few step at a time, are you familiar with the chain rule? du/dt = (du/dH) * (dH/dt) I use it right after the product rule, and then I factor out a dH/dt.
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on April 23, 2011, 12:25:02 AM
the ferrite rod can be biased with a permanent magnet, not a problem.
if this is true - and you can stimulate spontaneous oscillation in the resonant LC - then this would be a very simple & elegant proof that static PMs are inherently capable of doing work!
also - looks to me like this could contribute to an explanation for the operation of (at least 1 of?) the Coler device(s)!
Negative Differential Resistance (eg. reverse biased 2N2222A [no base connex] into cap) has always been a tantalising step away from free energy - due to the input energy required to provide the DC offset
but using a PM to provide the bias-offset energy in your arrangement above would seem to overcome the usual shortcoming of the 'Differential' characteristic
very cool !!
np
http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com (http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com)
Quote from: EMdevices on April 23, 2011, 12:25:02 AM
@ wayne
In my derivations I usually do a few step at a time, are you familiar with the chain rule? du/dt = (du/dH) * (dH/dt) I use it right after the product rule, and then I factor out a dH/dt.
EM
@EM
The chain rule is not a problem.. don't get how you expanded the µ to have a "+" instead of a product in eq. 2 since µ= µoµr ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_(electromagnetism) ).
eq 1: V = - N d phi/ dt = -N d[ A * µ * H]/dt
eq. 2 :V = - N * A * µo * (dH/dt) * [ H * (dµr/dH) + µr ]
/Wayne
Quote from: nul-points on April 23, 2011, 02:30:13 AM
if this is true - and you can stimulate spontaneous oscillation in the resonant LC - then this would be a very simple & elegant proof that static PMs are inherently capable of doing work!
also - looks to me like this could contribute to an explanation for the operation of (at least 1 of?) the Coler device(s)!
Negative Differential Resistance (eg. reverse biased 2N2222A [no base connex] into cap) has always been a tantalising step away from free energy - due to the input energy required to provide the DC offset
np
http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com (http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com)
Please give attentention. The use of reverse silicon transistor was invented
from me, and published to elecronic paper elektuur, nederland (Bob van der Horst).
Years after. Us Magazins habe take this to create some more application from this.
No ONE habe understand why this device work, (My company was working over years to test, an selectimg semiconductors to industrial parameters ) so i find this.
IT is NOT an negative resistance !!.
The working is (only near ny) an Tunnel-Diode, but the
characteristics are exactly the sam as for trigger diodes usual 1ß to 50 volt type avaiable , or as little neons (100volts) as used in timing-base circuits in oszilloscopes
sins over 70 years).
alll this devices can used "to simuate" negative resitance. BUT it isnt.
better charteristics you can find from lamda diodes.
made from 2 fets
OR (!)
1 transistor and 1 FET.
Gustav Pese
Quote from: pese on April 25, 2011, 09:34:58 AM
The use of reverse silicon transistor was invented
from me, and published to elecronic paper elektuur, nederland
...
IT is NOT an negative resistance !!.
...
alll this devices can used "to simuate" negative resitance. BUT it isnt.
...
Gustav Pese
hi Gustav
kudos to you for inventing the reverse silicon transistor oscillator!
please note that i mentioned "Negative
Differential Resistance" - not true 'negative resistance'
all the best
np
http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com (http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com)
Quote from: nul-points on April 23, 2011, 02:30:13 AM
if this is true - and you can stimulate spontaneous oscillation in the resonant LC - then this would be a very simple & elegant proof that static PMs are inherently capable of doing work!
I disagree that this would show proof that PM's can do work.
However, I would be interested to hear your explanation as to why you think this is so?
.99
Quote from: nul-points on April 25, 2011, 01:04:10 PM
hi Gustav
kudos to you for inventing the reverse silicon transistor oscillator!
please note that i mentioned "Negative Differential Resistance" - not true 'negative resistance'
all the best
np
http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com (http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com)
Sure, i done this. you must not ask me again.
My own company have worked over 40 years with semiconductor. , for industrial use, also export to us and asia.
i find this out because it give before the silcon eptaxial transistors an lot of silicon point-contact (in german "kegierte" semiconductors (know not in moment the exact englisch word.
This transors wared in bothe direction (als recers ! , some Symetrical with same gain. Normal type habe 1/19 of gain in reverse.
So i have find out - becaus we have selected , and selled "bad" transistors as (for) zener diodes (Emitter-Base reverse Diode)
6-20 volt, also Power types as 12V 4 Amp in To-3 case !.
so , the Transistor (we take BX 107 and others. in reverse with oben base, will work als an Transistor, bute the maximal voltage ist only 9m7 volt over the b- e- way.
so the additional 0,7 volt between c-e (in revers, will mahe the open base "leding" if ce c-e becomes about 0,1ma current.
on this highest voltage point, the open base will become an internal corrent and ist als "amplifyng" with 1/10 of the normal gain).. so it follow an amplifying with degreasing the
c-e voltage, bat nit to zero ! only low to the about 1 kot lower zener voltage be.
That ist all.
Only about 1 Volt this "ensemble can work.
this only at a starting current at about 0m1ma.
and only by the voltage from about 0m7 volt over the e-b zener-voltage of the transistor.
NOBODY have or can explain this WORKING of this (from popular electronic "named" NEGISTOR.
yOU READ THIS AND LEARNED THIS NOW AT THE FIRST PERSON !
My invention of this was given as an frequency generator "sawtooth genarator" about 3 years before the popular electronic, have uses this also for more uses.
Pleas se on Scope, It is nothing else as sawtooth.
nor sine nore square. like neon or trigger.
any lamda or tunner diode have other characteristics !!
----------------------------
It have the same working as trigger diodes , neon, bulbs
but with lower voltage swing differences (low to peak).
Be sure that i find in my live more details and circuit to use semicondutors in unusual ways.
If you will use this circuit above, like an negative restance,
you can do this, in the way als with any, tunnel lamda trigger diode it is possible.
Nothing more
Pese
Pese
Apologies for interupting!
I tried to login at Stefans German Forum But It doesn't recognize my Name there
We have a man sharing a Gravity device here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10661.msg283024#new
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Helmut from Germany has been involved with these before,
Can you get word to him please [and anyone else there thats interested.
Thanks
Chet
Quote from: poynt99 on April 25, 2011, 01:18:51 PM
I disagree that this would show proof that PM's can do work.
that's ok - you're entitled to an opinion, just like everyone else :)
Quote from: poynt99 on April 25, 2011, 01:18:51 PM
However, I would be interested to hear your explanation as to why** you think this is so?
.99
** the conditional conjunction in para 1 and the content of paras 3 & 4 of that post should give you some clues
nice work on the Ainslie cct reduction btw!
np
http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com (http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com)
Quote from: ramset on April 25, 2011, 06:24:12 PM
Pese
Apologies for interupting!
I tried to login at Stefans German Forum But It doesn't recognize my Name there
We have a man sharing a Gravity device here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10661.msg283024#new
-------------
Helmut from Germany has been involved with these before,
Can you get word to him please [and anyone else there thats interested.
Thanks
Chet
Hi Chet.
for overunity.de you must "instrive" you separatly (again).
i am most in . de working,because its my native language, but here , i see an wider range of interests.
possibly only 2-3 persons will have interesting on gravity, bessler and so on ... Helmut, it is sure, he is interested on
such devices.. i can let an "note" to overunits.com , if you
preferre this
Gustav Pese
here you (all) find an collection of alternative links that i collected since near 10 years.
www.alt-nrg.de/pppp (german and englisch link collection)
Quote from: pese on April 25, 2011, 05:58:58 PM
NOBODY have or can explain this WORKING of this (from popular electronic "named" NEGISTOR.
yOU READ THIS AND LEARNED THIS NOW AT THE FIRST PERSON !
My invention of this was given as an frequency generator "sawtooth genarator" about 3 years before the popular electronic, have uses this also for more uses.
Pese
yes, i have a copy of the PE article - it was largely responsible for getting me started looking at FE
my early experiments involved multiple connected 'negistor' oscs
very interesting behaviour!
glad to hear that you are active in the FE field also
good wishes
np
http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com (http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com)
tks. i send an PM to expain mor of the working.
also i am looking for also links and details for "gabriel kron" (G.E.), all what i seen 6-7 years ago in web ist deleted! Why? because its important ! Only destructive links , have an LONG live in the web.. all such details must copied to harddisk.
Looking for guys that have "take" G. Kron....
Pese
P.S.
@NP and all
here is (i think) the best electronic circuit collection
with very fin application and remarks tha i found.
English and Germen.
Have fun with this- to understand mor from electronics
http://homepages.internet.lu/absolute3/tronic/defaulte.htm
Quote from: pese on April 26, 2011, 04:56:58 AM
tks. i send an PM to expain mor of the working.
also i am looking for also links and details for "gabriel kron" (G.E.), all what i seen 6-7 years ago in web ist deleted! Why? because its important ! Only destructive links , have an LONG live in the web.. all such details must copied to harddisk.
Looking for guys that have "take" G. Kron....
Pese
P.S.
@NP and all
here is (i think) the best electronic circuit collection
with very fin application and remarks tha i found.
English and Germen.
Have fun with this- to understand mor from electronics
http://homepages.internet.lu/absolute3/tronic/defaulte.htm
PUBLICATIONS OF GABRIEL KRON
1930 - 1968
http://www.quantum-chemistry-history.com/Kron_Dat/KronGabriel1.htm
http://www.phils.com.au/kron.htm
added:
http://www.icehouse.net/john1/
Hi Wings,
thanks a lot
Yes this is an great (most) part, that i seen years ago, and was looking.
possibly -you and all- can find here also interesting details for your knowledges.
Gustav Pese
P.S.
@NP. the 2.link shown more details for "negative resistor". Krown have found this, but GE thave stopped hin to publish
somethink. (all is know by GE !!) ... But nothing is free !!!!
it will not be pubished,because not to "earn any money" from this .....
I find in this links an nice collection:
from same author that written "Kron"
PHILS.com
http://www.phils.com.au/default.htm
MUST see and learn
Quote from: pese on April 26, 2011, 04:56:58 AM
@NP and all
here is (i think) the best electronic circuit collection
with very fin application and remarks tha i found.
English and Germen.
Have fun with this- to understand mor from electronics
http://homepages.internet.lu/absolute3/tronic/defaulte.htm
thanks, Gustav - very comprehensive link
Quote from: pese on April 26, 2011, 07:55:33 AM
Hi Wings,
thanks a lot
Yes this is an great (most) part, that i seen years ago, and was looking.
possibly -you and all- can find here also interesting details for your knowledges.
Gustav Pese
P.S.
@NP. the 2.link shown more details for "negative resistor". Krown have found this, but GE thave stopped hin to publish
somethink. (all is know by GE !!) ... But nothing is free !!!!
it will not be pubished,because not to "earn any money" from this .....
probably more related :
http://www.energenx.com/john34/
tks all for your help. given the links.
That was nearby all that i looked for.
My thanks and given:
usuakyy are lambda diodes made with 2 fets.
i find one circuit that use 1 fet and one transistor !!!
Because its so unusual and rare . i will deal this to
all interesting guys.
it was stored in my circuit collectin in the web
(so i have found it again...)
http://alt-nrg.de/pese/PX/LambdaRahmenSchalt.jpg Lambda-Diode/neg Widerstand Fet+Trans
http://alt-nrg.de/pese/PX/neg2.jpg dito m 2 Fets
@EMdevices . Could you please explain the function of the cored choke in your diagram in reply number 1 of this thread . Also my knowledge of the magnetic properties of ferrite is zero . Are you saying , in simple terms that the ferrite rod needs to be saturated? nearly saturated . Would there be an advantage in being able to vary the DC bias current to find the "sweet spot" ? Assuming that DC bias is used rather than a permanent magnet , would a ferrite toroid be better than a rod , as in the youtube vid , a link to which appears on page 1 of this topic . If there is any possibility this vid is real , the guy is lighting 2 LEDS without a battery , just a permanent magnet .I would like some help to replicate this , please .
It is possible for a permanent magnet to induce a current into a wire loop having the same polarity, but the angles in which this is possible is strictly limited.
Here is a diagram with a wire loop at the top and a magnet at the bottom.
"OUT OF THE PAGE"
....|
....|
....|
"INTO THE PAGE"
.......N
....../
...../
..../
..S
Let's say the permanent magnet is rotating counter-clockwise with pivot of rotation at the center of the magnet.
We know that the force of a magnet decreases with the cube of the distance from each pole, which is due to the dipolarity of the magnet.
We also know that the field lines will rotate with the rotation of the magnet. The speed of these field lines increases linearly with the distance of the magnet.
Thus, B decreases with the cube of the distance, and v increases linearly with the distance.
Because the magnetic component of the Lorentz force is proportional to the cross product of v and B, which is |v||B|sin(theta), then the induced force on charge on the part of the loop where it says ("INTO OF THE PAGE") in the diagram will be greater than that on the part of the loop where it says ("OUT OF THE PAGE") [Note: "INTO OF THE PAGE" is closer to the permanent magnet than "OUT OF THE PAGE"). Interestingly enough, combining an inverse cube law with a linearly increasing law gives you an inverse square law.
By observing the Lorentz force law for (-) charge (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lorentz_force.svg), we can find that what I labeled ("INTO THE PAGE") is in fact the direction that the (-) or electron current will go (i.e. "INTO THE PAGE"), and we find that what I labeled ("OUT OF THE PAGE") is in fact the direction that the (-) or electron current will go (i.e. "OUT OF THE PAGE"). Using the right hand rule, or preferably the TWO-HAND rule (http://www.tinyurl.com/2handsrule), we can find out the polarity produced by the induced current:
"(-) OUT OF THE PAGE"
.....|
...N|S
.....|
"(-) INTO THE PAGE"
......N
......|
......|
......|
......S
As you can see, the N of the permanent magnet and the S of the (-) or electron current in the loop are orient in such a way that they would turn into each other. Extending this in time however, and in this case, after the loop rotates a full 90 degrees:
OUT--IN
......|
......|
......V
......N
......N
......|
......|
......|
......S
Opposite polarity now appears because as N approaches the loop, the lines of the permanent magnet "focus" and concentrate to where the loop is, and so the lines of the magnet cut through from the outer periphery of the loop. This causes the current to reverse direction from where it was. Now the loop repels the permanent magnet instead of attracting.
The point is that the kinetic energy or work done a permanent magnet may produce magnetic fields which may be either aligned to it or aligned against it.
IMHO, oscillation between such attractive and repulsive modes can be a physical, mechanical explanation for diamagnetism as well as the levitation (and "stickiness") of superconductors. It's amazing what classical physics can explain.
@kmarinas86 . Thanks for that lengthy explanation . However , I am not sure just how relevant it is to the current topic , as here , we have no relative movement between the coil and the magnet , or electromagnet . The only thing that is "changing " is the alternating current in the tank circuit .