So I only found this topic in a few locations throughout the forums. "Zero-Amp Technology".. I’m not an electronics guru so I have no idea if I’m using the correct labialization or not. That is where you guys come in!
Is this Zero-Amp Tech (ZAT) something that goes by another name or something that could be replicated. The inventor doesn’t really give any info about the “black box†(so to speak), other than it only requires an input of around .019 mA and can produce 150 amps output. And there is some kind of computer in the black box that runs the whole show.. I liken it to the same tech that Ismael Aviso is working on but smaller.. Or is it a total bag-o-crap like the whole Mike OU motor..
Haven't seen this - can you point to some place with more info or discussion on it?
Here is the peswiki page http://peswiki.com/index.php/Site:LRP:ZERO-AMP-TECHNOLOGY (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Site:LRP:ZERO-AMP-TECHNOLOGY)
I only quickly scan read it, it seems he was bought out. Videos on that page are from 2008/2009.
No I don't think it was bought out as I just found his web site. I have seen a video of his in the past now that I see the guy. In the past it looked fake but as I'm reading now I think there may be something to what he has. To be continued....
Once again no schematics. Guess it stays covered up over money or power. Very disappointing.
It appears Greer tried to buy him out but didn't come up with enough money. He also says Sterling Allen of peswiki.com and some other guy tried to buy him out but didn't have enough money (and it was not that much if what this guy has is real - which I assume it is or these people would not be trying to buy it). So far I'm finding the read on Peter Sumaruck and his video's fascinating. Thanks for bringing up this ZAT.
Quote from: e2matrix on April 19, 2011, 05:49:40 PM
It appears Greer tried to buy him out but didn't come up with enough money. He also says Sterling Allen of peswiki.com and some other guy tried to buy him out but didn't have enough money (and it was not that much if what this guy has is real - which I assume it is or these people would not be trying to buy it). So far I'm finding the read on Peter Sumaruck and his video's fascinating. Thanks for bringing up this ZAT.
So the guys trying to make this public didn't have enough money to buy the technology. I am guessing the guys trying to hide it made him a better offer ;)
I believe the unknown contents of the box is some sort of Jule Theif.
The more I think about it, the more I think it has both a Jule thief type of circuitry as well as some sort of Bedini circuitry that charges a second battery.
I have seen several videos about this zero amp setup. The inventor said he built one for the Army but the program was shut down before he could actually demonstrate it for the Army. He claims it be a 100% efficient closed loop system. I seen one set up that was ran off a generator, one that was run off two car battery's with a charger and inverter and another that was run off one car battery a charger and a inverter. All of which ran through his invention.
Take a car battery, connect it to the input of a Jule Thief and then connect the output of the Jule Thief to the input of a Bedini circuit. Then hook one output of the Bedini to a motor and the other output to a battery charger. Then hook the output of the battery charger to the battery. You should have about the same thing as what he has made.
I had been thinking about doing this with an electric car but there is no telling if and when that would happen but if you think about it, it would definitely be more efficient then anything we have yet to come across. A car that would only go 30 miles before needing charged could go maybe 1000 miles or more. It could also be placed between your power meter and your breaker box. This may make your bill go from $100 per month down to a couple of dollars per month. It is definitely worth checking into.
He turned down 26 million dollars? What a nut job.
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I presume the "Perot" he drops in one of the videos is Ross Perot - not that many can afford their own island! So he seems to have at least one complete working system built. Tom Bearden mentions he was also a navy-seal - wow, time hasn't been kind to him, he looks fairly decrepit!
Anyone that rejects $26 million surely deserves to fail...
Nice to see someone else looked into this guy.. Thoughts of using his device in a EV format crossed my mind as well.. Last night after reading all the info on the site I sent the inverter an email trying to establish a line of communication with him.
The size of the so called "black box" I mentioned doesn't seem large enough to contain the smallest of Bedini circuitry and still manage the output the inventor is getting out of it.. He ran 5 electric motors off of it..
In other info posted in his site, he mentions powering a whole host of things.
Most people might jump at the 26M, but that would only go so far and I'm sure he would have a gag order on him in the fine print.. I myself am not looking to get rich, i just don't want to be tied to the power company and the gas pump..
A question though.. What is the Jule thief circuit? That is a new one on me, though I haven't been into the deepest cracks of all this OU stuff yet..
I must say it sparked my attention though!
I spent most of the day reading about this and all his dealings with others. Even read the contract between Greer (his former AERO, LLC company) and Pete (the inventor of Zero-Amp tech). If what he has works as stated it's worth a whole lot more than 26 million and the fact is he was not offered that in a way that any sane person would have jumped at. In fact he did initially get talked into signing a contract with the super smooth talking Dr. Greer but Greer never came up with the initial amount of even $1 million and because of that and some other things Greer invalidated the contract from what I gathered. It was quite a soap opera to read all that went down. I think there is a good possibility this is a valid and powerful OU device when it is hooked up to the large flywheel I have seen in some of his pictures which then turns a high power generator. This has been discussed briefly here on OU in another thread and on EF. I think like a lot of things that come around it was quickly forgotten when doubts came in. I think it deserves further investigation.
Quote from: ElectrifiedMonteSS on April 19, 2011, 11:56:59 PM
Nice to see someone else looked into this guy.. Thoughts of using his device in a EV format crossed my mind as well.. Last night after reading all the info on the site I sent the inverter an email trying to establish a line of communication with him.
The size of the so called "black box" I mentioned doesn't seem large enough to contain the smallest of Bedini circuitry and still manage the output the inventor is getting out of it.. He ran 5 electric motors off of it..
In other info posted in his site, he mentions powering a whole host of things.
Most people might jump at the 26M, but that would only go so far and I'm sure he would have a gag order on him in the fine print.. I myself am not looking to get rich, i just don't want to be tied to the power company and the gas pump..
A question though.. What is the Jule thief circuit? That is a new one on me, though I haven't been into the deepest cracks of all this OU stuff yet..
I must say it sparked my attention though!
Joule thief has about a 900 page thread here. Basically it's a very efficient little circuit using a bifilar toroid, a transistor and a couple other parts to get high voltage (but at low current) from a small battery. Some think it can be overunity but recent discussion on another board shows it may be with fine tuning but just barely OU if at all. I don't think it has anything to do with the ZAT. I think ZAT is possibly related to manipulating power factor and back EMF and probably some other things. Joule thief is a fun little circuit but IMO don't waste your time with it if you want real power to run your home or other usable things. Joule thief can light LED's and some CFL's but I've never seen anyone running a heater or even a 60 watt tungsten light bulb off it.
There are few threads on this forum about the Jule thief and as for the size of bedini circuits, there are many but the concept is what I was referring to.
Here is a link to it.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.0
Quote from: nightlife on April 20, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
There are few threads on this forum about the Jule thief and as for the size of bedini circuits, there are many but the concept is what I was referring to.
You may very well be correct, but, would the output from the JT not have to be rectified for it to run the Bedini? I mean, all of my Bedini's operate from DC and the JT's put out either AC or pulsed DC. (I was never sure which, and I could never get a good answer to this.)
I guess I am asking, can you run a Bedini on AC or pulsed DC? I have no opinion either way and I am just asking.
Bill
The JT is putting out a pulsed DC just like the Bedini. They are a good combination. Definitely worth checking out to see how well they really work together. I thought you would have allready played with it a bit.
As far as what his box is operating, there is no real load and I have yet to see a video showing it operating a real load. The best we have seen is it running 5 electric motors that run freely under no load. I could see the JT and Bedini doing that. I may have mixed up the way they should be placed. The Bedini may need to be placed before the JT. As for a house, car or other high current requiring applications, both would have to be up scaled to meet the application.
Nightlife:
OK, thanks, I think I see what you are getting at. It does make sense really. And no, I was always afraid to mix the Bedini with the JT...probably because I don't know how. It probably is a good combination though and worth trying.
Bill
Bill, have you ever checked to see how many amps the JT pulls and how many it put out?
That is the part that in puzzling me. They say that when the box was hooked to the generator, it only pulled .27 amps and put out 65 amps. They dont tell us what the volts were and they are using two different instuments, one for the output and one for the input, when testing. I couldn't see what they were set on and I never seen the volts for either.
It really depends upon which JT circuit we are talking about. Some of the latest ones have an amp draw down around .012 mA's. Others, like the Fuji, are a lot higher at about 200 mA's under a big load. I never tested my replication of the Jeanna Circuit (1,000 volts) but my guess is it is lower than the Fuji just based upon run times of similar loads. (LEDs)
Whatever it puts out amp wise will, or should, be lower than what it draws in my opinion. What I mean is, I don't think we can take 1.5 volts at 200 mA's and output 1,000 volts at 2 amps. At least I can't do that.
Bill
Well you are taking batterys that wouldn't light a bulb on their own and then lighting the bulb after using the JT. I would be very interested in knowing what the amps in are and what the amps out are. If you still have one your playing with, you may want to check and see. The same with the volts.
As I said, it all varies but, I will do some checking as I have a bunch of them around I use all of the time. I have been very bad about getting amp draw measurements during my research but I will do so.
Bill
With it being a pulse DC output, it is pretty hard to get a reliable reading of the current output. As far as running a bendini with the jt. Couldn't you put the output of the jt to a capacitor and use it to feed the bendini Bill. I'm sure you've hooked the output of the jt to a cap already haven't you?
If you think about it, I think you might need some current for the bendini. You might have to take the 1000v output from the jt and send it through a step down transformer to lower the voltage but more important, increase the current. I haven't really played that much with either circuit to be totally sure though. I think Bill might have a better idea about it.
Quote from: MrMag on April 20, 2011, 03:07:52 AM
With it being a pulse DC output, it is pretty hard to get a reliable reading of the current output. As far as running a bendini with the jt. Couldn't you put the output of the jt to a capacitor and use it to feed the bendini Bill. I'm sure you've hooked the output of the jt to a cap already haven't you?
If you think about it, I think you might need some current for the bendini. You might have to take the 1000v output from the jt and send it through a step down transformer to lower the voltage but more important, increase the current. I haven't really played that much with either circuit to be totally sure though. I think Bill might have a better idea about it.
Yes, exactly. I have hooked a JT to a large supercap and, visa-versa. My Bedini puts out too much for the size caps that I have although, I suppose I could use a single AA and charge a 650 Farad cap and then run the Bedini from that. Actually, I know that would work as I have run the Bedini from my earth battery/supercap circuit. I have no problem admitting a lot of this is beyond my knowledge at this point.
Bill
Quote from: ElectrifiedMonteSS on April 19, 2011, 11:56:59 PM
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Most people might jump at the 26M, but that would only go so far and I'm sure he would have a gag order on him in the fine print.. I myself am not looking to get rich, i just don't want to be tied to the power company and the gas pump..
The difference here was that the offer was coming from the most prominent people that are actively involved in the FE movement. They would be 'outed' most spectacularly if they then gagged the inventor and shelved the tech. I'm not saying that's an impossibility - Greer has always struck me as the type of guy who could live very well selling dodgy second-hand cars! Not to be trusted imo...
QuoteIf what he has works as stated it's worth a whole lot more than 26 million and the fact is he was not offered that in a way that any sane person would have jumped at. In fact he did initially get talked into signing a contract with the super smooth talking Dr. Greer but Greer never came up with the initial amount of even $1 million and because of that and some other things Greer invalidated the contract from what I gathered. It was quite a soap opera to read all that went down. I think there is a good possibility this is a valid and powerful OU device when it is hooked up to the large flywheel I have seen in some of his pictures which then turns a high power generator. This has been discussed briefly here on OU in another thread and on EF. I think like a lot of things that come around it was quickly forgotten when doubts came in. I think it deserves further investigation.
@e2matrix - Yes, I agree that potentially it is worth much more than $26 million, but the operative word here is 'potentially' - there are at least 5,000 of the juicier patents that have never even got off the starting-block 'cos of "National Security" implications, think what these could be worth financially. In reality, they're a pipe-dream, they are worthless - suppressed technology! As are the dozens of other FE-related patents that have been granted, not one was ever allowed to come to market. And all Joe Public gets to see is the flotsam that either escaped their attention or stuff whose patent details have been doctored, either directly or by omissions. Gordon Geko's "Greed is good, greed works!" line only applies to the individual...
I was thinking that you could run the JT off a re chargable battery and then into a cap and then into the Bedini. Then the output of the Bedini into a cap to power a motor. Then the colasping Field of the Bedini into a cap to be discharged into the re chargable battery.
This is what it looks like this guy has done. Maybe not exactly but something like it. It looks like this guy is taking the colasping field and running it into a cap that is used to power a battery charger and using it to charge the battery. I think we could recharge the battery more efficiently then by using a battery charger.
I don't think this is over unity or even a 100% efficient, I just think it is a way to supply power more efficiently. Heck, we could even go one step further and collect the colasping fields and heat from the motors making the design that much more efficient.
Heck, the more I think about it, the more ideas I come up with. Like using it to produce hydrogen. The key to producing hydrogen is to do so as efficiently as possible. I guess I need to get off my butt and start playing with it. So much for my long vacation. LOL
E2,
I noticed the flywheel as well.. Makes sense though.. The drive motor can get that moving and the kinetic energy built up in the rotation of the flywheel can assist in maintaining the speed for the gen set when used in the gen set configuration.
Still no reply from the inventor though. ???
Is there a way we might keep this on track with the starting thread.. Not trying to be a bubble-popper.. I'm just more into to the ZAT at the moment.. If this dies then I'll dig into the 1000+ pages of that other stuff.
Thanks!
Everything we are talking about has to do with this thread. We are trying to figure out his circuitry and I see it to be like a combination of a JT and a Bedini. I think the most important part is his circuitry and it doesn't look like we have anything to go on so we have to start from scratch and try and utilize what we know already works.
If you have any better ideas or any new found knowledge of his circuitry, please tell us. Otherwise sit back and watch us do what we do.
@nightlife,
Sorry.. I misunderstood..
I shall do as you instructed.. Now where did I put that Lawn Chair and Beer Cooler! LOL
Kevin
I didn't notice the flywheel. Can someone post a picture or a link for us to look at?
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Anyone know what the best Deep Cycle Battery's brand is?
These are pictures of what he calls the transmission:
http://blog.zeroamptech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/03.jpg
http://blog.zeroamptech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/04.jpg
http://blog.zeroamptech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/1.jpg
There were some pics of the army demo configuration, but I'll have to find them..
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2010 on April 20, 2011, 03:47:48 PM
Anyone know what the best Deep Cycle Battery's brand is?
I think most people consider Trojan brand to be the best but they are expensive. I see Eveready is now making deep cycle golf cart type batteries at prices considerably less than Trojan but I haven't compared the specs on them.
Quote from: ElectrifiedMonteSS on April 20, 2011, 04:03:23 PM
These are pictures of what he calls the transmission:
http://blog.zeroamptech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/03.jpg
http://blog.zeroamptech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/04.jpg
http://blog.zeroamptech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/1.jpg
There were some pics of the army demo configuration, but I'll have to find them..
I seen that sitting in a trailer that he used for a demo but it didn't look like it was hooked up so I didn't pay any attention to it.
Come to think of it.. Peters' Gen Set wasn't running for the demo he did with the Berkeley professors. All he was using was the magic box.. In the video he did say he liked the older green box controls as opposed to the newer controls.
This picture, though not the best, shows the older green control on the right in the demo trailer and the newer “white†controls on the bench to the left.
http://blog.zeroamptech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/still-3-20.jpg
The video of the demo is a little long (25 minutes) but it has a better shot of the newer white boxes.
http://blog.zeroamptech.com/peter-sumaruck-demonstration-uc-berkeley-professors
Really interesting thread. If this uses a computer for control there may be an on/off or possible linear or 2d bar code program scheme. The duration and timing of on or off signals routed to various multiple devices would seem to be very fast. Timing could be very precisely controlled in this manner.
Quote from: IotaYodi on April 22, 2011, 10:23:17 AM
Really interesting thread. If this uses a computer for control there may be an on/off or possible linear or 2d bar code program scheme. The duration and timing of on or off signals routed to various multiple devices would seem to be very fast. Timing could be very precisely controlled in this manner.
Iota:
So, are you saying that, unlike what we see in the JT circuits, that when the supply power or battery diminishes, the pulse rate would remain constant using a chip? So the frequency would remain constant? If this is true, I have never considered this.
Bill
QuoteIota:
So, are you saying that, unlike what we see in the JT circuits, that when the supply power or battery diminishes, the pulse rate would remain constant using a chip? So the frequency would remain constant? If this is true, I have never considered this.
Not what I was thinking but thats a thought. A low Ma programmed chip or chips like a bios/cmos chip. They even make them rechargeable. You would still need enough Ma"s for the chip to maintain pulse rate. A hard drive itself could hold a much larger program which may be the reason a hard drive is used.
My thought was the 5 motors are being run from the same power source and timed out perfectly between them using a computer hard drive program controlling an input device. The Amp draw would remain the same as only one motor at a time would be drawing power. It may also be possible that each motor receives a signal/signals from a frequency generator to coils or transformers in a timed duration and sequence. I would think all 5 motors could be done almost simultaneously seeing how electricity travels at sub-light speeds. The timing of the collapsed magnetic field in a coil could be timed out perfectly. Why else would a hard drive be used except for timing? If you put a load on the motors I would think the timing would change. If so that might make the control program larger. It would be ideal if the program was a loop whether using bar codes or not. If not a loop then it would take more complex programming.
Im just seeing a very fast switching scheme. If everything they say is true its a no brainer why its suppressed. If the military is using it Ill be pissed! We are paying for it.
Just my thoughts.
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I had no idea running motors had gotten this complex. If Sumarucks stated IQ of 174 is for real maybe he has found the magic in programming.
I have been programming A.I for ten years, it still only does what it is told to do, it can't make up new routines for itself, by itself. I could possibly write a routine that would allow an A.I to perfect itself. but for what cause? it would only lead to the destruction of mankind.
if there was an A.I that could do so today, it would play you like a God!
Jerry 8)
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2010 on April 23, 2011, 05:23:36 AM
I have been programming A.I for ten years, it still only does what it is told to do, it can't make up new routines for itself, by itself. I could possibly write a routine that would allow an A.I to perfect itself. but for what cause? it would only lead to the destruction of mankind.
if there was an A.I that could do so today, it would play you like a God!
Jerry 8)
actually they can. there are chips that can choose/create their own wiring and connections. in fact when they let it run on its own it created something they couldn't understand how it worked. slashdot.org ran a story on it several years ago.
edit: by the way, what kind of AI are you breeding?
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Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 23, 2011, 07:56:53 AM
actually they can. there are chips that can choose/create their own wiring and connections. in fact when they let it run on its own it created something they couldn't understand how it worked. slashdot.org ran a story on it several years ago.
edit: by the way, what kind of AI are you breeding?
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Quote from: onthecuttingedge2010 on April 23, 2011, 12:40:27 PM
Hi wilby.
I am one of the programmers over at Zabaware.com that has helped code the Ultra HAL Assistant Bots from version 4.xx to version 6.xx, I also design plug-ins for it to make it do stuff or routines that the default engine can't do.
at that site I am known as onthecuttingedge2005.
visit the site, you might get hooked on HAL. H.uman A.rtificial L.anguage
Jerry 8)
hey, i bet that is an interesting job! i am assuming Vbasic? i'll definitely check it out when i have some extra time. Yet Another Language... ;) been having a lot of fun with field programmable gate arrays lately. why work harder when you can work smarter by letting "evolution" do the work for you right?
Input- 1 phase 60 hz 240v at 250ma on 2- #44 awg airplane wires. Her doesnt state if the wires are a bundle or just 2 separate #44. Im thinking bundle.
Output is on #12 stranded with >16 amp draw on all five 3 phase motors.
This guy was a control tech at Dow Chemical. I wouldnt think he would be into the physics of it,but more into the control or signaling aspects of it. If this maintains constant current flow when the input power is disconnected, then the loop or circuit is closed. That reminds me of Ed Ls Pmh holder when the coil is charged with the keeper on..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4914871211025734766&hl=en#
Ok.. A question from someone not so in the know about electronics..
So I was thinking about VDC Motors and Motor Drives and Controllers. They can take 120/240/440 AC Volts input and in some cases drop that down to 12/24/36/90/180 VDC. I understand using a bridge rectifier to cross over from 120 VAC to VDC.. and bridge rectifiers are used in alot of the circuits I have seen built here..
If there are circuits/devices that can reduce voltage/amperage, can a similar circuit be made to increase the same.
What got me thinking about this more was something that Peter said in the article about the Cuban dinner in Florida he liked to eat at and that he had to go on the roof to fix a vent hood that wasn't working. the only way he could get it to work was by adjusting something that increased the amperage to the unit..
Just trying to stimulate some thought is all..
Quote from: IotaYodi on April 23, 2011, 10:50:09 PM
Input- 1 phase 60 hz 240v at 250ma on 2- #44 awg airplane wires. Her doesnt state if the wires are a bundle or just 2 separate #44. Im thinking bundle.
Output is on #12 stranded with >16 amp draw on all five 3 phase motors.
This guy was a control tech at Dow Chemical. I wouldnt think he would be into the physics of it,but more into the control or signaling aspects of it. If this maintains constant current flow when the input power is disconnected, then the loop or circuit is closed. That reminds me of Ed Ls Pmh holder when the coil is charged with the keeper on..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4914871211025734766&hl=en#
So I'm thinking that if he was a controls man.. his device is more controls based, meaning that some part of his device relates back to the controls he was working on.. Or is that just stupid?
Control? Yes in part, it has to be but that still would not explain the massive gain in wattage. One thing is that he said it was 100% efficient but never claims over unity.
I'm seeing these kinds of results in other projects I have came across where they are supply low amperage and putting out high amperage. The only conclusion I can seem to come up with is the filling and dumping of capacitors at a very fast rate. That would be where the control comes in play. Capacitors don't draw a lot of amps to fill, they only draw what they can hold but do hold a lot of volts and they fill and dump very fast. There isn't much resistance when filling a cap which would explain the low amps in but when dumped in to a higher resistance, it would show a higher amp output. With a steady feed in and a pulsed feed out, I believe this could be achieved. So what I believe we have here is really nothing more then a joule thief mixed in to a closed loop.
Based on what I believe is being done, I see room for improvement such as the collection of energy from the colasping fields of the pulses. I can't see them being used in his design.
I rewatched the video and I see that the inverter is placed before the box and the box is supplied with 60hz which is a 60 cycles per second ac current. That means he must be dropping the current down to what ever it takes time wise to fill the caps. If the caps can be filled 20 or less times per second, he could dump them 20 times or less per second which may be enough to power the motors and the battery charger.
I'm not sure if any thing I said makes sense. I'm tired and i'm going to bed.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 23, 2011, 01:05:14 PM
hey, i bet that is an interesting job! i am assuming Vbasic? i'll definitely check it out when i have some extra time. Yet Another Language... ;) been having a lot of fun with field programmable gate arrays lately. why work harder when you can work smarter by letting "evolution" do the work for you right?
Hi Wilby.
Yes and the main default engine is designed to run plug-ins in any programmable language actually. but you can't mix them, the bot will except any known code language you write in.
This engine won the 2007 Lobener prize, Robert Medeksza is our team leader and the owner of the default engine itself.
http://www.loebner.net/Prizef/2007_Contest/loebner-prize-2007.html
I tend to write code only in Vb because that is the most common code that all the plug-ins written are typically written in.
Jerry 8)
Quote from: nightlife on April 24, 2011, 03:51:48 AM
I'm not sure if any thing I said makes sense. I'm tired and i'm going to bed.
What you said made sense to me.. If I understood it, you're doing a fine job explaining thing’s for sure! LOL
I can see how a processor would be needed for the switching of the in-and-out amps on the caps. The timing needed could not be handled by a switch driven off a moving wheel as is done in most small projects and a mofset (I hope I got that right) or a 555/556 timers circuit I don’t think are fast enough..
I guess I need to start looking at that 900 pages of thread on the Joule Thief.
I looked at the circuit on line at http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/joule.htm
It looks really simple.. I guess the catches all come into play when trying to make it work as part of something larger.
I do believe they are using 555 timers in the joule theifs which are working.
I just started reading through the JT stuff this afternoon.. I'm into the part where they are using camera circuits.. LOL
Hey, the camera circuits are great. I am still using them and, Lasersaber uses those transfos in his ringer circuits, which are pretty advanced given his results. Running a cfl with no battery is a pretty cool circuit in my opinion.
Bill
Bill,
At the risk of asking "the" stupid question.. What is a CFL?
Kevin
Quote from: ElectrifiedMonteSS on April 25, 2011, 10:44:37 PM
Bill,
At the risk of asking "the" stupid question.. What is a CFL?
Kevin
NP.. Compact Florescent Lamp
I totally blanked out on that one.. DUAH!! I'm reading too many things at one time..
Thanks for the reply though..
Compact Flourescent Lightbulb I believe. The ones you just put in a regular light socket as opposed to the long tube type that were so common in the past.
Well now I know where the ai bots are comming from. :D
Had a discussion with one the other day and it took me forever
to catch on it was a bot. Damn good job of programming. One
of the best ways to catch one is to start questioning a question.
Tends to befuddle them a bit.
Gosh, I remember one for the mod1 ratshak called eliza. Kept
up digging at it till I got told to go jump in the lake. Laughed myself
silly over that one.
Don't see a price anywhere on their site, can you say?
thay
Gee uh duh, in the store folks....... :(
Just ignore me, most every one else does.
thay
I don't think anyone was ignoring you. I thought I had poured over everything on his site but I don't see any price or store and maybe others haven't either. Is there a link to a store? The only thing I saw was mention of $500 for attending a DIY how to lecture that gave you blueprints and directions for building one.
Free Live Chat: with the award winning A. I. chat robot A. L. I. C. E.
http://www.alicebot.org/downloads/
The above site offers free downloads and offers different software.
just had a go with both alice and james. Not bad but lacks sole. That is the catch. I was playing around on one of the chat boards a while back and got a real run for my money. Took me a long time to realize it was a darn bot. Then I became the laughing stock. the owner of the bot was there and watching all it happen. Did apologize to me but still. That damn bot still haunts me due to the realism.
thay
Quote from: Thaelin on April 28, 2011, 08:27:59 PM
just had a go with both alice and james. Not bad but lacks sole. That is the catch. I was playing around on one of the chat boards a while back and got a real run for my money. Took me a long time to realize it was a darn bot. Then I became the laughing stock. the owner of the bot was there and watching all it happen. Did apologize to me but still. That damn bot still haunts me due to the realism.
thay
So thay did you find a place on Zero-Amp Techology's site that had prices or products?
I finally got an email reply from him today. He said it will be on TV shortly and will go from there.
Quote from: ElectrifiedMonteSS on April 25, 2011, 10:44:37 PM
Bill,
At the risk of asking "the" stupid question.. What is a CFL?
Kevin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp ;) :)
--Lee
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 25, 2011, 07:48:17 PM
Hey, the camera circuits are great. I am still using them and, Lasersaber uses those transfos in his ringer circuits, which are pretty advanced given his results. Running a cfl with no battery is a pretty cool circuit in my opinion.
Bill
Hi Bill
Any chance of you posting a link pointing to a circuit / description of lasersaber's no battery CFL setup ?
Cheers
Quote from: hoptoad on April 29, 2011, 01:24:18 AM
Hi Bill
Any chance of you posting a link pointing to a circuit / description of lasersaber's no battery CFL setup ?
Cheers
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10179.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10179.0)
His latest video is very impressive.
Bill
After reading the threads on the JT.. I can see why a few people on this thread were trying to figure out if the JT in some fashion might have something to do with the ZAT device I was asking about.
Hi Bill
if it is his April 1st video I think if you pell April fool backwards you will have a clue. I like his humor
Mark
Quote from: eisnad karm on April 29, 2011, 09:05:51 AM
Hi Bill
if it is his April 1st video I think if you pell April fool backwards you will have a clue. I like his humor
Mark
Mark:
Thanks I know but I meant his March 30th video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVWFlpRmLkE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVWFlpRmLkE)
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 29, 2011, 08:44:49 AM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10179.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10179.0)
His latest video is very impressive.
Bill
Thanks Bill
Cheers
Sorry, that was not what I thought it was.
Hi E2:
Yes, that is the part in my next post where I said I found the store. On the top of the site, has a link for the "store". Its like $29.95. Totally have to train it tho. It knows nothing at all not even one word. So the beginning will be like a baby. As time passes, it gets better.
As I said, I had a go at both that and alice. Not really a good conversationist in my eyes. Lots to learn. There is better out there ready to run. Just cant get them yet. Where is the Hal9000 when you want him. In time, if we have it.
thay
Quote from: e2matrix on April 28, 2011, 10:14:19 PM
So thay did you find a place on Zero-Amp Techology's site that had prices or products?
I finally got an email reply from him today. He said it will be on TV shortly and will go from there.
Quote from: Thaelin on April 30, 2011, 07:18:26 PM
Hi E2:
Yes, that is the part in my next post where I said I found the store. On the top of the site, has a link for the "store". Its like $29.95. Totally have to train it tho. It knows nothing at all not even one word. So the beginning will be like a baby. As time passes, it gets better.
As I said, I had a go at both that and alice. Not really a good conversationist in my eyes. Lots to learn. There is better out there ready to run. Just cant get them yet. Where is the Hal9000 when you want him. In time, if we have it.
thay
I am working on that. but without the side effects.
Jerry 8)
Well I finely heard back from someone from the ZAT Site.. No not Peter.. Seems my email never made it there. It wasn't till I sent a question going through the site that I heard back from someone. So as I was reading the ZAT Site some more, I found where you could get a 12kW Gen Set for 300K, or you could spring for a 50/65kW Gen Set for 3M.. I was a little confused as I also saw that you could get a 12Kw Gen Set for $11,000..
The Gen Set looks straight forward. A motor, a belt, a transmission with flywheel, a belt and the generator.. Nothing overly complicated about that! Almost anyone could pull that together. The there is the magic "Box"! I can't see the sum of the parts in that box costing the sum of your first born.. LOL
So I sent an email back trying to get some pricing.. I'll keep you guys in the loop.
Kevin
QuoteI found where you could get a 12kW Gen Set for 300K, or you could spring for a 50/65kW Gen Set for 3M.. I was a little confused as I also saw that you could get a 12Kw Gen Set for $11,000..
So basically its been put out of reach for the common man. I only see two reasons for the pricing and both are no good.
He also has apparently had or is planning seminars where he explains in detail how to build it. It was mentioned you get blueprints to it. It was mentioned this would be $500 and that it was simple enough anyone could build it. That would certainly be reasonable if it really works. He states he now wants the inividuals to be able to have this technology which of course would not be very likely if the prices are in the range of $300k for 12kw but $11k for 12kw is a lot cheaper than solar and certainly something that could be of great interest to many, especially someone building out in the wilderness where your electric company may want $10k or more just to get power to your property.
Quotebut $11k for 12kw is a lot cheaper
$11k is more realistic. 12k could run some of your higher wattage devices in a standard house. Even window ac units. You could probably save the 11k in less than 5 years as long as the unit lasted that long. The real plus would be in Vehicles. Im retired now but when I was working it took on the average 3 fill ups on a 30 gallon tank per week. Sometimes 4 depending on the job site. At that time it was about $75 a fill up. Put my electric bill to shame.
Not to mention ExxMob posted great profits again.
Something gotta give soon.
thay
Yeah if his device preforms as stated, then the cost to build and maintain a EV would come way down. All those hybrid cars would all go to waste.. LOL
I just want to get free of the Fuel Gods and the Power Company.. Then maybe I can do more for my family..
This is off topic, but I'm not sure which forum to ask the question in.
Q: Repulsive magnetic force, How can the repulsive of a magnet be determined? Or is it equal to or the same as the attractive force?
Let me explain a little.. So I found a N50 (2†round by 1†thick) that posted a 230 lbs pulling/holding force.. That made me think, “I wonder what the repulsive force of that would be?â€
Please, by all means point me in the right direction on where this should be posted.. I’d like a good answer on this.. The mind is spinning on an idea! LMAO
Thx,
Kevin
Can the Fuji Camera circuit be used to power a coil? What is the voltage off the cap? All the cap has on it is N0537, then right below that is PET..
Quote from: ElectrifiedMonteSS on May 09, 2011, 09:06:26 PM
Can the Fuji Camera circuit be used to power a coil? What is the voltage off the cap? All the cap has on it is N0537, then right below that is PET..
I don't know what you mean by powering a coil? all of the Fuji's I have modded had caps of 350 volt ratings. The modified Fuji puts out about 400 volts or so.
Bill
Bill,
Sorry for the confusion.. I have too many ideas running in my head at one time! LOL
Let me kinda explain.. I know the cap in the camera circuit drives the flash.. If I were to remove the flash and input the ends of a electromagnet coil.. Could the cap energize the electromagnet coil?
Please excuse my ignorance in dealing with circuits and the like.. I'm in the crawling phase right now.
Thx,
Kevin
Quote from: ElectrifiedMonteSS on May 10, 2011, 12:13:43 AM
Bill,
Sorry for the confusion.. I have too many ideas running in my head at one time! LOL
Let me kinda explain.. I know the cap in the camera circuit drives the flash.. If I were to remove the flash and input the ends of a electromagnet coil.. Could the cap energize the electromagnet coil?
Please excuse my ignorance in dealing with circuits and the like.. I'm in the crawling phase right now.
Thx,
Kevin
No problems. I am not sure of the answer to your question. My guess is that to energize a coil you would need dc output and the Fuji outputs pulsed dc from the modified version. If you too it off of the cap, that should be dc but, that cap will empty in like 1/10 of a second and then need some time to charge up so, it would not energize your coil in anything near a continuous way.
I hope this helps...I too am still learning all of the time.
Bill
yeah it helps..
The electromagnet coil I’m working on will not be run constantly.. It will just pick up an item then drop it. But I want to do it in a repeatable fashion.
I know there are a few camera circuit projects that were talked about in this thread I started, but most were based of the JT project.. I additionally need to incorporate a hall effects switch which can be used as a timing device.
Still learning this electrical stuff day-by-day! :o
Once you know enough about resonant circuits it is 'simple' enough to build a circuit that consumes VERY low amps and looks impressive to a newb that knows nothing about electronics. However, what are the volts going in? With a few inductors and a well placed tank, you can have that high voltage pinging around to make up the amps on the back end.
It all adds up though WITH LOSSES except in a couple of circumstances where the zero point applies.
I have never seen this bozo and his zero amp setup in the flesh and I dont need to because the EVIDENCE is overwhelming. He states he has HUGE overunity (by way of amps) but never states watts. IF he had such a huge amount of OU, he wouldnt require a generator (which his his source of High Volts) on the front end or that big battery bank
Additionally, he has been caught out in numerous lies ("I was a navy seal blah blah"). He didnt even finish basic training! Anyone see a pattern here with these guys and their delusions of grandeur?
Yet another Charlatan like Steven Mark.
These guys should be exposed by the OU community itself to prevent embarassment.
Quote from: ElectricGoose on May 16, 2011, 08:20:11 AM
Additionally, he has been caught out in numerous lies ("I was a navy seal blah blah"). He didnt even finish basic training! Anyone see a pattern here with these guys and their delusions of grandeur?
Yet another Charlatan like Steven Mark.
These guys should be exposed by the OU community itself to prevent embarassment.
yeah i know what you mean... here's a post or two from another one of "those guys".
Quote from: ElectricGoose on December 08, 2010, 04:16:43 AM
OK I have had enough. As someone who KNOWS how an OU device works I am just going to come out and say it.
Quote from: ElectricGoose on December 08, 2010, 08:03:28 PM
I have my own OU thankyou.
yup... total delusions of grandeur..
He never claimed he was a Navy seal. Get your facts straight. He said he worked as a private contractor for the Seals. He has eagle like vision and can shoot the legs off a flea at a thousand feet ... with no scope.