I was going to post this in JC's forum but since i already tried to give John some credit( which he refused) and i was disappointed but i had the wrong idea for the wheel at the time anyway so no biggy.i decided to come over here and announce that i have discovered what Bessler discovered 300 and some odd years ago.And it all started for me right here on this board 4 or so years ago.I took it as a challenge to figure out the Bessler thing.I have gone through at least hundreds of concepts and always abandoned the ones that wouldn't work.For me this was key.but i learned what is required and i have found that thing.Now i am "building".This in itself is enough to convince everyone i know that i have thought of something that will work.Anyway it won't take long to build.One more day and i will announce if it works or not.
I admire your never give up attitude. I do wish you the best and will be looking back everyday. Succeed or fail its all part of the process.
Kind Regards
that's just it.i 100 % don't expect to fail.i actually would bet on this and i don't gamble.i guess i expect others just from my word to know that i have actually "discovered" something.
Hey Christo,
Best wishes & have a happy Easter
Penno
Good luck! Please respond with what you have come up with :)
christo4_99
Good luck on your build.
PM sent
Alan
Please let us know what your idea is even if this build turns out to be a bust.
One of us might be able to fill in the missing piece for you.
Good luck.
I can"t wait ................ this should be good, I also believe it is possible to use gravity when combined with leverage, motion, and weight. hint!
be good and prosper all.
christo4: I too believe that bessler was not a fraud, after reading everything I could get my hands on about the man. Hope you have sucess where so many thousands have failed... ;)
Tick-tock, tick-tock, the end of day 1 approacheth - unless you're from Pluto or something! :D
Seriously though, I'm also a Bessler-believer and looking forward to seeing what you have.
i built it but not the way i imagined it...there doesn't seem to be room in one of Bessler's wheels for my idea but i will build it anyway.
you do know that his wheel was not in reality a wheel, cosmetically it was round . Internally he did motion shift.read what he said about it ,,,,,,,,,,,,
this man was a craftsman..he made clocks ,,,precise instruments .....so if you think you can replicate it in a day my hat is off to you , cause you can not do it with sticks ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,But doing gravity .........yes it works ..combined with motion weight and leverage .. oh and a brain
;D...if you had the right idea you would know that the problem is keeping it under control or balanced...it was not a wheel because it did not have all the constituent parts that a wheel has...i will update again today.
P.S. as far as the brain part did you mean that the builder/ inventor,the wheel or the newb?
I take it the 1 day thing has been postponed a bit?
No matter, it would be nice to see what idea you were playing with anyway sometime.
That would be the builder...( Brain) nothing successfully happens unless you use that tool first..
now here is my problem http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1821.0 you would think creating the machine would be the major problem. As it turns out it is not. ethically what would be the right thing to do ? I have not slept properly for weeks now. all you have to do is copy Bessler... my device is not what he did ,, but in doing so i came to understanding what he did .
Protech
Its a no Brainer........
Patent = "end of the road"
Open Source = A new beginning!!
Sleep Easy!!
Chet
Hi protech,
History teaches us that most people never learn from history. Think about it... do you really think your the first of such a discovery? You know your not. So... where are the others? Rich? Famous? Of course not. Where are their patents? National security, that's where. And do you really think that for some reason, you will end up different?
For the project I am working on, I sleep well at night, and I hold no secrets.
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on April 23, 2011, 09:06:02 PM
Hi protech,
History teaches us that most people never learn from history. Think about it... do you really think your the first of such a discovery? You know your not. So... where are the others? Rich? Famous? Of course not. Where are their patents? National security, that's where. And do you really think that for some reason, you will end up different?
For the project I am working on, I sleep well at night, and I hold no secrets.
Cheers,
Bruce
Guy i think your right ,,,,,,,,,,,,,God gave me this ....as he set up my life ......Ok lets do gravity 101 and a new thread my name is W.K Coombs but like to be known as \Bill I wanted additional income as i am retired now 67 and have time to play with things .... let me put it in a form all willl understand guess Einstein would not be Einstein unless he went through life experiences ................now what do i call the thread ...dummies wake up lol yes \I have a major seance of humor and timing is the major part of what I WILL EXPLAIN IN gravity motion ....let me know i have time besides stealing a thread so give me a name for the thread and you will receive
Sir, If you present a working device, you will have all of the additional income that you could want. That I am sure of. Besides, food in our belly and a roof over our head, hey, we are doing pretty well, and anything else is just a blessing. (wink!)
Witty inventions are indeed of the Lord. And the time has come. We must leave our children the lightening! That sir, is my goal.
We look forward to your thread and to you opening your knowledge.
Call the thread, "W.K. Coombs Hitchhikers Guide to Gravity" I like the ring of it! LOL
Cheers,
Bruce
guy you are on ...........so how do I do this and be able to load all the data in a thread without getting stomped on ?
Hi Bill,
First, go here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?board=6.0
Then follow the instructions on the picture below.
No one will stomp on you if you have something that works. If all you have is untested or untried theory, that would be different. But if I read your words correctly, you have something that works, and the majority will listen. There are always trolls around, you simply ignore them and they will get bored and go find another sandbox to play in.
I hope that helps!
Cheers,
Bruce
Open source a working gravity wheel with no legal proof you invented it?
If you build it and it is running and you post it. every nut job in the world will
be claiming it is their idea. With out some form of legal proof you will have a
fight. Forums are week evidence. Build it and show it for a major newspaper
would be much stronger evidence. Patent pending and then show it before
they can put on the restraints and you cut off the restraints.
In blunt terms, there are way to many credit thieves to take a chance
on your credit being stolen.
Not to mention without protection a simple change and
someone else will patent it.
But Good luck
Using a GNU General Public License to copyleft an open source tech would be more than enough to prevent thieves from patenting the invention.
This would be the best way, in my opinion, for the inventor and the public to benefit from a working free energy technology without fear of reprisal.
The best way to make money in this kind of field is IMHO:
1 - Make at least 5 working examples.
2 - If you have enough money to step 3, this otherwise go to 5:
3 - divide your invention in two separate (use- and clue-less) parts
4 - Order at different companies the two parts a 100 pieces each
5 - Give one or two of the devices away to a charity in your local community at a place were a lot of people will atend
6 - In the meantime assemble your product
7 - Open the ringing doorbell
8 - Sell your product locally
9 - Use the generated money to order more
10 - By the time competition catches up, you should already have a ship coming from china with two containers of both half's
So without patenting, you can take a fair part, be the inventor and still open source it, just use your head start.
If you have a working device, not selling above a 1000 bucks, i think the neighborhood would be the best place to start. If it really works.. you should not worry about the rest... (except for the MIB )
Good Luck!
Bill
Bruce gave you the best advice regarding patents,PERIOD
If you chose to patent ,or for that matter 'Any other nut job on the internet" chooses to patent it,
"National security risk" End of story.....................
It will join all the thousands of other Patented overunity devices that we can Buy everyday at Walmart
OH .....If you know some poor Lawyer that really needs the money ,at least someone will benefit
But definitely not the world ,or you!
Chet
Oh boy .... the dilemma moves on.... it's built and operational, I only have the one unit made.
Bill
Many many men have been right where you are now,none of them are household names
because of their choice!
Its your choice .............
Its sounds like your torn!
Open source or Suppression
Besides I really like the name Bruce picked for your thread!
Chet
protech
Just a couple of questions.
Does it self start or do you have to give it a push?
Does it accelerate or maintain a steady speed?
How long have you ran it?
One of my wheels originally had to be push and ran at approximately 60 RPM.
Then I got my thumb busted up trying to make an adjustment.
My new changes I hope for a self start on that design. Of course I won't show it until I am ready.
My latest design is a slow build but takes advantage of 100% of the weight, 100% of the time.
It will self start. It is not the first wheel but the strongest that will save the earth.
Good luck
Alan
SOooo Alan
Now your saving the world?
What happened to all the internet Wack job idea thieves That you were telling Bill about?
You tell the man to be quite Till he gets "protection" from all the Internet Whackos!
And Now you want him to Talk about his device????????
You sound like your worried about competition?
How can you make money on a gravity wheel if someone Gives it to the world for free??
You give confusing signals Bud!
Or maybe you could reference just ONE time someone has taken the path you have outlined and the world has benefited?
Just One?
Chet
Ps
Bill ,This is what Open source looks like
Bruce's Thread [an Amazing man]
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2300.msg282897#new
Quote from: ramset on April 24, 2011, 09:16:14 PM
SOooo Alan
Now your saving the world?
What happened to all the internet Wack job idea thieves That you were telling Bill about?
You tell the man to be quite Till he gets "protection" from all the Internet Whackos!
And Now you want him to Talk about his device????????
You sound like your worried about competition?
How can you make money on a gravity wheel if someone Gives it to the world for free??
You give confusing signals Bud!
Or maybe you could reference just ONE time someone has taken the path you have outlined and the world has benefited?
Just One?
Chet
Ps
Bill ,This is what Open source looks like
Bruce's Thread [an Amazing man]
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2300.msg282897#new
ramset, ramset, ramset
Simple questions, that give absolutely nothing away of how it is designed.
I just want the ones who build to get there credit to the world, not to just
a forum. Besides I gave more away in my statement than I am asking. LOL
As for competition? Why should I worry. I am waiting on an operation on my
left foot so I can even walk again. Hopping around on one foot to get what
work I can do just to try to pay my bills. I have never asked for help in my
life until I could no longer afford to live. My prayers are that my wife gets a good job
before I go under the knife. NO I am not up for competition. So I sit on the
designs that could change the world and wonder when I can build them
myself. But I have thought of posting one of the weaker ones to prove
myslef, but my wife told me no. Now how can I argue to the woman that
will have to take care of me until I am better. You will just have to wait
until I can do the builds and if someone beats me to first, I will just beat
them to the strongest a little later. As for the wack job idea thieves.
Most of them don't even post, for they don't want you to know who they are.
Good Luck is what I wish
Alan
Hi Alan
I am sorry to hear of you ill health.
I am not after your design but given what you have siad can I ask the same questions you asked Pro
Does it accelerate or maintain a steady speed?
How long have you ran it?
There are ways and means of doing things without having to give things away on forums.
Look at the solar industry..now manufacturing under a $1 per watt and in some countires like where I live the government pays you 70% of the cost of installing them. Green and even free energies have gone mainstream. Another example is Rossi...if that pans out no one is making threats to him or his associates.
Kind Regards
Quote from: eisnad karm on April 25, 2011, 12:52:29 AM
Hi Alan
I am sorry to hear of you ill health.
I am not after your design but given what you have siad can I ask the same questions you asked Pro
Does it accelerate or maintain a steady speed?
How long have you ran it?
There are ways and means of doing things without having to give things away on forums.
Look at the solar industry..now manufacturing under a $1 per watt and in some countires like where I live the government pays you 70% of the cost of installing them. Green and even free energies have gone mainstream. Another example is Rossi...if that pans out no one is making threats to him or his associates.
Kind Regards
May be our fears are just that. fear
The one wheel that I am finally ready to revisit was not self starting which I made clear. Once started it was running for several minutes (10-15?) with a knocking and it was not making a full shift. I reached up to expand the stand and found the knock the hard way, with my thumb and lost 1/2 of my thumbnail. The part of the wheel broke as well. So what was I afraid of as my emotions grew? A massive life style change? No more privacy? It was funnier for I could not be happier at the time, nor I could not be more afraid. I put it to the side but worked on paper how to get the full shift for the power. This part has been corrected. On the other wheel testing a single mechanism was 100% effective. Both of these designs are expected to be very strong.
As for my health it is a set back, and maybe God or the fates that allowed me to go down before bringing me back up so I will fully understand my purpose.
Time will tell
Alan
Alan
Changing the world starts with the Guy in the mirror!
"saving the world" ,A much bigger job!
No Room for wishy washy There,A different road Must be Taken
And the trip doesn't start with a visit to the Lawyers office!
It will take Courage ,which springs forth from Love ,and Conviction!!
No one has been able to get past the fear..............
I believe that will take Faith!
Children and Boys are loosing their Feet and much more right now as I type.
Enough is enough!!
I hope you heal fast!!
Chet
Thanks Chet
Good words for thought.
Alan
Quote from: eisnad karm on April 25, 2011, 12:52:29 AM
.....Another example is Rossi...if that pans out no one is making threats to him or his associates.
Kind Regards
I hope you're right, but I recall reading how just a few years ago Dr. Swartz' manufacturing facility in Japan had 20,000 of his FE units built and ready for shipping when 'they' stepped in and pulled the plug, confiscating the lot! And last time I visited his web-site, he made no bones about the fact that there had been threats involved. I have no doubt that Rossi has also been threatened.
Quote from: AB Hammer on April 24, 2011, 08:22:20 PM
protech
Just a couple of questions.
Does it self start or do you have to give it a push?
Does it accelerate or maintain a steady speed?
How long have you ran it?
One of my wheels originally had to be push and ran at approximately 60 RPM.
Then I got my thumb busted up trying to make an adjustment.
My new changes I hope for a self start on that design. Of course I won't show it until I am ready.
My latest design is a slow build but takes advantage of 100% of the weight, 100% of the time.
It will self start. It is not the first wheel but the strongest that will save the earth.
Good luck
Alan
Alan my device is not a wheel as I was not trying to replicate Bessler , and depending where it is stopped it can self start, as for gain it increases, the longest I have run it without stopping is just over a day, hard to keep my hands off it. . oh and congratulations on your wheel.
Good luck everyone with their work. Who is Rossi? What has he built?
IMO, Either open source or sell plans everyone can afford but before doing that sell local and if you sell even one or two to established members here that will validate your device beyond any doubt and then you'll be selling plans and or devices like hotcakes.
Quote from: protech on April 25, 2011, 11:38:44 AM
Alan my device is not a wheel as I was not trying to replicate Bessler , and depending where it is stopped it can self start, as for gain it increases, the longest I have run it without stopping is just over a day, hard to keep my hands off it. . oh and congratulations on your wheel.
protech
Thanks and I looked at your post and understand what you are doing with first glance. I have played with similar approaches but not like your base. It may or may not drive a generator, but it looks like a lot of fun.
Alan
@Alan
thanks for the update. I look forward to how you progress and pray for your speedy recovery.
One of the first things I ask inventors of disruptive technologies when evaluating them and discussing business models is what do you want IE
1. To be famous?
2. To be Invisible?
3. Recognition?
3. Do you want to have a large component of the money for humanitarian projects?
I also discuss how they want to implement the technology as it can effect many people not just the wealthy.
The safest path if people have fears is to licence and partner the people or companies they affect the most. (long discussion on that topic)
Money can change people and not always for the better. In many ways in capitalist countries I visit I have seen often and sadly a shift where people judge each other on wealth rather than character and deeds. Often the family is more disfunctional. In many poorer countres I see happy people with a sense of character and family values.
Having said all that some of the nicest people I have met are wealthy or famous but all tell of the price they pay.
@Pro
when it ran for a day did you stop it or did it stop by itself ...i understand the difficulties of keeping your hands of it.
Kind Regards
Mark
PS Rossie has a device 300 watts in and up to 10 KW out. There also exists other technologies that also could be considered OU that will hit the market place in a couple of years..well under the radar at themoment
Kind Regards
mark
Quote from: eisnad karm on April 26, 2011, 06:06:52 AM
@Alan
thanks for the update. I look forward to how you progress and pray for your speedy recovery.
One of the first things I ask inventors of disruptive technologies when evaluating them and discussing business models is what do you want IE
1. To be famous?
2. To be Invisible?
3. Recognition?
3. Do you want to have a large component of the money for humanitarian projects?
I also discuss how they want to implement the technology as it can effect many people not just the wealthy.
The safest path if people have fears is to licence and partner the people or companies they affect the most. (long discussion on that topic)
Money can change people and not always for the better. In many ways in capitalist countries I visit I have seen often and sadly a shift where people judge each other on wealth rather than character and deeds. Often the family is more disfunctional. In many poorer countres I see happy people with a sense of character and family values.
Having said all that some of the nicest people I have met are wealthy or famous but all tell of the price they pay.
@Pro
when it ran for a day did you stop it or did it stop by itself ...i understand the difficulties of keeping your hands of it.
Kind Regards
Mark
PS Rossie has a device 300 watts in and up to 10 KW out. There also exists other technologies that also could be considered OU that will hit the market place in a couple of years..well under the radar at themoment
Kind Regards
mark
eisnad karm
I am a blacksmith/armorer who works with his hands and hart. You have asked.
1. To be famous?
This is probably my biggest fear.
2. To be Invisible?
Nor do I want to be invisible
3. Recognition?
Credit due to whom it belongs
4. Do you want to have a large component of the money for humanitarian projects?
To me money is a tool and a tool used correctly can build beautiful things and humanitarian reason is beautiful. If a tool is use wrong or not used it becomes useless or destructive and can hurt yourself and others.
I only judge people by their character, not by their wealth for no one is truly a better person than another, but what they do in life can be better or worse. I understand the poor for that has been most of my life. It pains me to see so many who suffer. When I see people who are handicapped and/or sick, I hurt for I also live in pain, and understand. It hurts me more that am so limited to help.
The question you didn't ask directly is. Am I doing this for selfish reasons? The only thing I would want for myself is a proper retirement where I didn't have to worry if I am strong enough to make a life for my family. But if I had enough the world would be my family, like it should be. Then I would spend the rest of my days trying to improve life.
Alan
I'm with you on that one Alan. I feel the exact same way.
5 days later... where is it ?
Air striker
Lets see.................
Christo4 Said he got it!! He figured out Bessler,started another thread just to tell everyone!
And "no" He ain't telling [how its done]
Just wants us to know it can be done [sweet guy].
And the Fellow Bill "protech" ,he started a thread also "W.K. Coombs
Gravity thingy",He started to share "how its done" But hasn't been back to help with a replication yet?
Chet