Hi All,
I just came across this Youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kGINYRKD34
This is from the Youtube user:
http://www.youtube.com/user/yoopeek
He wrote to me:
hello,
nice to hear from you!
Im only author of the video, this one was built by my friend. There is no battery or external power, permanent magnets only and works fine.
No problem with copying to yours yt channel.
Reagrds,
Peter
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So this seems to be Takahaschi / paul Sprain motor principle again.
So what are your comments to this ?
Maybe he is using the center area there to induce energy to have
enough energy to repell the rotor magnets at the electromagnet position ?
Many thanks to Peter for this video.
I hope he will tell us still more about it.
Regards, Stefan.
Does anybody understand, what the guys are saying in this video ?
Please post the translation here.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan,
Without knowing anything else about this motor, I would guess that if it is some kind of attraction ramp like the magnetic Wankel engine (as you mentioned), he could have that output coil wired up in such a way that it creates a repulsive force as the magnet approaches (due to the induced current). This repulsive force could be used to nullify the attraction sticky spot at the end of the attraction ramp.
That's the best I can come up with without additional information.
- Jason O
Here is one way to make a magnetic Wankel motor. The sticky point is at the bottom of
the motor. A electric coil is pulsing the magnet past the sticky point.
GL.
Note that the magnets here are not placed at the whole circumference. Some holes for magnets are empty.
Would be cool to know more details on this one.
@Groundloop: this picture looks almost exactly like in the video. Seems to be indeed a Wankel Motor. I also assume they pulse it at the sticky point, however I wonder how strong this pulse must be.
Additionally I am wondering if the repelling magnets will not demagnetise very soon? :s
Quote from: Groundloop on June 02, 2011, 01:35:00 AM
Here is one way to make a magnetic Wankel motor. The sticky point is at the bottom of
the motor. A electric coil is pulsing the magnet past the sticky point.
GL.
improvement.
add a magnet, as Romerouk
the coil will generate a greater repulsion force
Quote from: gauschor on June 02, 2011, 08:07:09 AM
@Groundloop: this picture looks almost exactly like in the video. Seems to be indeed a Wankel Motor. I also assume they pulse it at the sticky point, however I wonder how strong this pulse must be.
Additionally I am wondering if the repelling magnets will not demagnetise very soon? :s
@gauschor,
I tried this setup some years back. I did use a lot of Neos around the rotor glued
with super glue. I never experienced any demagnetization of the stator magnets.
I guess the force of the rotor magnets is not powerful enough to demagnetization
the stator magnets. The electromagnet pulse needs to be strong enough to "suck"
the magnet past the sticky point. Then you release the coil power and let the rotor
go another round. I do not remember now how much power I did use but I do remember
that MY setup was under unity.
GL.
Why not have several coils set up around the outside of the wheel to allow the charging of a capacitor bank. Add a bump or something to the wheel to activate a switch to discharge the capacitor bank into one of the coils to repel the magnet(s) enough to maintain the speed of the wheel. So when NOT in repel mode, the coils are charging caps. There has to be a way to set the timing so the 'repel' won't happen before or directly on the magnet but as the magnet is passing the coil. Maybe one coil to repel while all others are set to charge and as the wheel rotates it activates a different coil to repel mode and the previous one switches to charge mode.
I used google translate to translate one of the titles of yoopeek's other videos. It appears to be Czech. Anyone know Czech?
Yes, seems to be someone from czech republic.
Somebody else mentioned, he might have used a battery,
cause the white thing in front of the big electromagnet could look like
a battery, but I guess this is just another electrolytic cap ?
Hmm, as one is hearing some kind of transformer ringing
noise, I guess they might also use coil shortening pulses there to
use less input current for the coil and higher induction outputs.
Sounds like fast switched coil currents.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: Groundloop on June 02, 2011, 08:27:37 AM
@gauschor,
I tried this setup some years back. I did use a lot of Neos around the rotor glued
with super glue. I never experienced any demagnetization of the stator magnets.
I guess the force of the rotor magnets is not powerful enough to demagnetization
the stator magnets. The electromagnet pulse needs to be strong enough to "suck"
the magnet past the sticky point. Then you release the coil power and let the rotor
go another round. I do not remember now how much power I did use but I do remember
that MY setup was under unity.
GL.
Hi GL,
the problem with your circuit is, that you use just one normal electromagnet.
This is not good, as you will get a huge induction voltage into the electromagnet
as the permanent magnet rotor approaches.
Then you have to overcome this voltage via a higher voltage to at least
run a current through the coil to repell the magnet out of the sticky zone.
This then costs a lot of energy for this pulse.
Better would be to use 2 toroidal ferrite coils in series 180 degrees out of phase,
so as the magnet rotor approaching, the induction voltage will cancel out.
As the rotor will be attracted to the ferrite, you need then only a very small
current pulse to saturate the 2 ferrite core coils and thus make the 2 toroidal coil cores
"nonmagnetic" and the rotor will rotate
on... the same principle as used in the Steorn Orbo.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on June 01, 2011, 05:58:42 PM
Does anybody understand, what the guys are saying in this video ?
Please post the translation here.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
cameraman: Well, I do not know if ever such a thing my camera can
Designer: And watch out too close to neloz, the magnets are bastards, just like an eraser.
cinematographer: tighten bulb?
Designer: Yeah, we can turn the bulb, now it is a bit loaded, it will be that little bit more tension
Designer: This deposit is a classic, this is normal as it is to ... by ...
Quote from: hartiberlin on June 02, 2011, 03:43:45 PM
Hi GL,
the problem with your circuit is, that you use just one normal electromagnet.
This is not good, as you will get a huge induction voltage into the electromagnet
as the permanent magnet rotor approaches.
Then you have to overcome this voltage via a higher voltage to at least
run a current through the coil to repell the magnet out of the sticky zone.
This then costs a lot of energy for this pulse.
Better would be to use 2 toroidal ferrite coils in series 180 degrees out of phase,
so as the magnet rotor approaching, the induction voltage will cancel out.
As the rotor will be attracted to the ferrite, you need then only a very small
current pulse to saturate the 2 ferrite core coils and thus make the 2 toroidal coil cores
"nonmagnetic" and the rotor will rotate
on... the same principle as used in the Steorn Orbo.
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan,
The reason the rotor stops is the sticky point where the magnet on the rotor is close
to the stator. You will need a electromagnet to get that magnet past the sticky point.
A toroid core (or two) will not work at all in this setup.
GL.
Quote from: Groundloop on June 02, 2011, 04:21:29 PM
Stefan,
The reason the rotor stops is the sticky point where the magnet on the rotor is close
to the stator. You will need a electromagnet to get that magnet past the sticky point.
A toroid core (or two) will not work at all in this setup.
GL.
I guess it depends on the size and orientation and airgap and how far the other
stator magnets are away from it.
I think it could be done this way.
Here is a ruff translation someone posted below the video.
I translated it with Google translator and cleaned it up a bit:
Czech - detected to English translation
Original text: Colloquial Czech (Originaltext: Colloquial MB)
cameraman: Well, I do not know if my camera can capture it right..
Inventor: And watch out , don´t go too close to the Neodymns, the magnets are bastards, just like an eraser.
cameraman: Should I tighten now the bulb?
Inventor: Yeah, we can turn the bulb on, now the cap is a bit loaded, it will have that little bit more voltage
Inventor: This ?deposit? is a classic, this is normal as it is to ... bye ... (end video)
Why the bulb and wiring? For me it would be enough to see a magnet motor running as simple as that.
I also tried many of this type of designs, but indeed the sticky point is always the trouble. Free rotors give the best run down times. My conclusion was and remains: magnetism as a static force will by itself alone never result in overunity. Its probably a prank.
This is just a sprial motor in a mirror.
Paul will call his lawyers just like he did when Butch LaFonte built one.
He got his idea from Butch in the first place. Paul asked him to sign a confidentaly agreement and when Butch did he showed him the drawings and it was Butch's design he had published a year before.
What ever happened to Sprian's spiral motor any way? He spent over one million dollars US on it he says.
Ray
I think this is the camelot type ring , but the hole is bigger all the magnets are the same face , the magnets cover 222 degree and the hole 137 phi ratio .
Quote from: gammarayburst on June 08, 2011, 12:36:26 PM
This is just a sprial motor in a mirror.
Paul will call his lawyers just like he did when Butch LaFonte built one.
He got his idea from Butch in the first place.
If he throws his weight around, he will find, soon enough, that Yasunori Takahashi has prior art on this.
I heard that he, the father of VHS and other high level stuff, disclosed but did not bother to patent
because the concept was not significantly different to another disclosure, possibly Minato.
Its a joke.
Here is Tom Bearden's work on it
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm
The interesting thing will be if Romerouk actually gets it to work.
Could this possibly work?
Why doesn't the design use a second magnet 180 degrees opposite to counter the stick? Even a second coil at the 180 degree counter balance could be made coupled with the first coil to allow in phase shifting perfectly and no timing circuit would be needed.
Motor Magnetico Argentino (Argentinean Magnetic Motor)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfg4ZLFWSG8&feature=feedlik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfg4ZLFWSG8&feature=feedlik)
In this opportunity i would like to show you a completely magnetic motor. This kind of motor DOES NOT need to be supply by any kind of battery, or electrical net or solar energy, because it uses his own alimentation by spinning. And, at the same time, can generates extra electric current (as we can see, the led lights connected to the motor are on).
The principle is easy to understand. All the motors have one rotor and one stator, but in this motor, we have three neodymium discs (instead of a rotor) and two neodymium rings (instead of a stator) and one last neodymium ring that functions as a magnetic oscillator, self-excited by a stage of captors. This captors commutes the magnet's polarities.
This very same principle its now being use in our last prototype: 1 HP (600 W free). We will upload as soon as possible an explication video for the HP.
The prototype that you seeing in this video provides 50 W free (12V CC - 4 Amp).
torian.proyect@hotmail.com
Quote from: caccr2000 on June 23, 2011, 10:28:34 AM
Motor Magnetico Argentino (Argentinean Magnetic Motor)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfg4ZLFWSG8&feature=feedlik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfg4ZLFWSG8&feature=feedlik)
In this opportunity i would like to show you a completely magnetic motor. This kind of motor DOES NOT need to be supply by any kind of battery, or electrical net or solar energy, because it uses his own alimentation by spinning. And, at the same time, can generates extra electric current (as we can see, the led lights connected to the motor are on).
The principle is easy to understand. All the motors have one rotor and one stator, but in this motor, we have three neodymium discs (instead of a rotor) and two neodymium rings (instead of a stator) and one last neodymium ring that functions as a magnetic oscillator, self-excited by a stage of captors. This captors commutes the magnet's polarities.
This very same principle its now being use in our last prototype: 1 HP (600 W free). We will upload as soon as possible an explication video for the HP.
The prototype that you seeing in this video provides 50 W free (12V CC - 4 Amp).
torian.proyect@hotmail.com
Interesting. Reminds us of Brady's machine. That was a hoax. He got arrested in Germany later. But hoaxes can contain a clue you might have picked up. This seems more sophisticated. I Understand there is an electrical feedback with capacitors that regulate the pulsing. Did you file for a patent, if yes, what is the number? How long does it run, does it run in the video on preloaded caps? Or does it run indefinitely? Can you load a diagram of the circuit you use? Do you want to provide enough information for us people to replicate this? Only replication will prove it right out here. Actually you should open a new thread for this...
Quote from: gammarayburst on June 08, 2011, 12:36:26 PM
What ever happened to Paul Sprain's spiral motor any way? He spent over one million dollars US on it he says.
Ray
It never worked. He got wrong data from his torque sensor fooling him into believing he got more output than input.
Later when they purchased a new and heavy duty torque sensor they had to learn the lesson the hard way.
See these links, they direct you to the statements from Terry Blanton regarding Pauls wankel.
His was one of Sprains engineers during development. Notably the last msg46786 on May 2011.
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg37212.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg37213.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg37251.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg39527.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg36955.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg40636.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg46786.html
Here's my own version of the Magnetic Wankel. And of course it was underunity.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3456.msg267139#msg267139
And it wouldn't matter what ever type of electromagnet shape or core material being used. Nothing works.
As long as there is a sticky spot, all you do is adding energy to the system to overcome this obstacle.
Magnetism is 100% conservative. Scientists have known this for 100 years & it's time we wake up and accept it.
Any proposed OU machine needs to have a drawing that shows flux lines with arrowheads the PM poles marked and a clear explaination of how it works. Though impressive, video of a running machine proves nothing. Im a vetran researcher in the quest for free energy from the free magnetic field of PM's whos source is electron spin or free energy from the atom...electron energy. I have talked with many EE professors over the years and all aggree that PM's are a free M field from nature. The question is how do you control and manipulate the field to tap into this energy source. I have done hundreds of experiments over many years and have seen it all. If you have something you think works...present a clear drawing and explaination, present it here and if you want send it to me for a free analsis. lawrencesprung@yahoo.com
hola todos. el modelo wankel si funciona, el electroiman de impulso debe ser de un tipo bifilar, asà se consigue un buen campo magnético, con poco consumo de energÃa.
Quote from: ELECTRONENERGY on September 15, 2011, 02:05:09 PM
Any proposed OU machine needs to have a drawing that shows flux lines with arrowheads the PM poles marked and a clear explaination of how it works. Though impressive, video of a running machine proves nothing. Im a vetran researcher in the quest for free energy from the free magnetic field of PM's whos source is electron spin or free energy from the atom...electron energy. I have talked with many EE professors over the years and all aggree that PM's are a free M field from nature. The question is how do you control and manipulate the field to tap into this energy source. I have done hundreds of experiments over many years and have seen it all. If you have something you think works...present a clear drawing and explaination, present it here and if you want send it to me for a free analsis. lawrencesprung@yahoo.com
The answer to that question is to continously change the angle of the spinning electrons - just like what is done in an AC electromagnet. It requires energy. PM's have a magnetic field, but the energy in it is only potential. If you want to take portions of this potential and convert it into work, the potential must decrease - weakening the PM. Then you are finally back at square one; a dead "PM" with no magnetism left.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on September 03, 2013, 07:20:18 AM
The answer to that question is to continously change the angle of the spinning electrons - just like what is done in an AC electromagnet. It requires energy. PM's have a magnetic field, but the energy in it is only potential. If you want to take portions of this potential and convert it into work, the potential must decrease - weakening the PM. Then you are finally back at square one; a dead "PM" with no magnetism left.
Vidar
I liked your idea of the balance in a notch. I think it shows promise.
After many changes, it's more like a gap now. I have finally a working model in Maxwell that shows over a 200 to 1 gain in energy.
I plan to build it to find the error in my ways!
Quote from: ELECTRONENERGY on September 15, 2011, 02:05:09 PM
Any proposed OU machine needs to have a drawing that shows flux lines with arrowheads the PM poles marked and a clear explaination of how it works. Though impressive, video of a running machine proves nothing. Im a vetran researcher in the quest for free energy from the free magnetic field of PM's whos source is electron spin or free energy from the atom...electron energy. I have talked with many EE professors over the years and all aggree that PM's are a free M field from nature. The question is how do you control and manipulate the field to tap into this energy source. I have done hundreds of experiments over many years and have seen it all. If you have something you think works...present a clear drawing and explaination, present it here and if you want send it to me for a free analsis. lawrencesprung@yahoo.com
>>>>
I have recently published Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tuggers, what answers "how do you control and manipulate the field to tap into this energy source." Now everybody can read about it at:
https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/home/magnetomechanics/magnetorefractive/geomagnetic/magnetomachanical/asymmetric-magnetomotive-tuggers
and discussing it here on the OVERUNITY at:
http://www.overunity.com/14145/asymmetric-magnetomotive-tugger-shortly-amt/
Plus... there are plenty of "drawings that shows flux lines".
Taras Leskiv - the inventor of Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tuggers.
rotoverter - a simple device.
do not think that it violates the law of conservation of energy.
basis for this device "self-rotating generator."
can be made from conventional asynchronous machine, in which the rotor is simply to mount a permanent magnet.
Magnets - source "autorotation"
http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fafhh723.livejournal.com%2F1421.html&act=url (http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fafhh723.livejournal.com%2F1421.html&act=url)
Quote: << ... do not think that it violates [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]the law[/color] of [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]conservation of energy[/color]. >>
Why we should believe that some laws are absolutely Universal and must be applied absolutely everywhere?
How can we apply laws deduced during building of steam-engines - for everything in physics, how this laws can explain perpetual motion of electrons about nucleus of atom... why this motion never stops regardless that no fuel is fed into atoms. ;)
Aiming new technology we should be open to learn nature for new laws which are not written yet.
Hi
I was also thinking last night, as to why particles rotate around the nucleous in an atom perpetually without any energy input from outside.
How does the 2nd law of thermodynamics explain this perpetual motion in an atom ????
Well it explains. How : Take a magnetically levitating top and spin it in vaccuum, it will keep spinning perpetually till you try to use its spinning energy to light a bulb. Suppose you have two coils on either side of the spinning magnetic top in vaccum. Till the coils are not shorted, the top will keep spinning perpetually, but the moment you short the coils, the top will start slowing down and stop in some time.
Till the time you do not try to exract energy from waltzing electrons they will keep rotating, like earth around the Sun.
But if you start extracting the energy out of earths rotation around its axis or around the sun, eventually it will stop rotating.
Perpetual motion does not voilate the laws of thermodynamics, but the perpetual motion machine do.
Best,
Quote from: Google on February 23, 2014, 11:21:39 PM
Perpetual motion does not voilate the laws of thermodynamics, but the perpetual motion machine do.
Not even... a perpetual motion machine can exist if it manages to convert for instance dark energy into kinetic energy. No law of thermodynamics is violated, when only energy that cannot be seen operating is converted into energy that can be seen active. If the drive of spinning planets and electrons around a nucleus would be dark energy - who knows - or 'time energy' for that matter, one can very well tap that energy by conversion. More energy comes out of the system than you put in when an unseen/as-yet-unknown source is tapped. If the drive of dark energy or universal time would be the increasing expansion of the universe - that is also active locallly despite of gravitation - , you only have to develop a mechanical system to catch that locally dynamic force of universal expansion of which astronomers say it is accellerating. Go figure.... in theory this is possible, in practice it means a global paradigmatic revolution to prove such a thing.
Quote from: afh723 on January 25, 2014, 03:50:46 AM
rotoverter - a simple device.
do not think that it violates the law of conservation of energy.
basis for this device "self-rotating generator."
can be made from conventional asynchronous machine, in which the rotor is simply to mount a permanent magnet.
Magnets - source "autorotation"
http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fafhh723.livejournal.com%2F1421.html&act=url (http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fafhh723.livejournal.com%2F1421.html&act=url)
This Rotoverter device - Download (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67378968/rotovert%28Free%20energy%29.mp4) - seems to be real and is apparently converting an unseen/unknown type of energy into a visible type of energy. It is may be - but it doesn't have to be - fraud. But ignorance is certainly the problem in accepting this type of PM thing. Selfexciting dual generators are a known issue, they are called Q-mo-gens or selflooped systems with energy left over. There seems to be a wide variety of these type of selfrunning systems. They are real, but as yet the proper understanding is lacking to reach the mainstream. A revolution - especially a paradigmatic one - is denied first, then ridiculed and only later accepted as normal, once proven real.
see:
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Special:Search?search=Qmogen&go=Go (http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Special:Search?search=Qmogen&go=Go)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67378968/rotovert%28Free%20energy%29.mp4 (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67378968/rotovert%28Free%20energy%29.mp4)
This just looks way to easy to operate as shown.
Are these fakes getting better or could this be real!
The more you allow yourself to be distracted by obviously impossible fakes like this... the less you will be able to concentrate on what is, or might possibly be, real.
The image is titled "energy from source unknown". But you can bet your bottom dollar that the person in the video knows exactly where the energy is coming from... and it's not coming from the motors or the lightbulb.
There are permanent machanical drives and free energy "klip" drives with stored mechanical force already on the market. I strolled onto this, Google it" www.klipenergy.com They call it klip energy. Can be used in aircrafts as well. looks like a force on eccentric rings
Quote from: Groundloop on June 02, 2011, 08:27:37 AM
@gauschor,
I tried this setup some years back. I did use a lot of Neos around the rotor glued
with super glue. I never experienced any demagnetization of the stator magnets.
I guess the force of the rotor magnets is not powerful enough to demagnetization
the stator magnets. The electromagnet pulse needs to be strong enough to "suck"
the magnet past the sticky point. Then you release the coil power and let the rotor
go another round. I do not remember now how much power I did use but I do remember
that MY setup was under unity.
What would happen if you did not have the sticky spot to deal with at all?? That's where I am now.
Need a 12 volt hall effect circuit that is capable of delivering a pulse to a large 12 volt electromagnet.
GL.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 24, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
The more you allow yourself to be distracted by obviously impossible fakes like this... the less you will be able to concentrate on what is, or might possibly be, real.
The image is titled "energy from source unknown". But you can bet your bottom dollar that the person in the video knows exactly where the energy is coming from... and it's not coming from the motors or the lightbulb.
Their is a PDF on this device where the rotor has been changed for a Neo magnet on both motors has any one tried that idea ? if it doesn't work, it's your risk !
Quote from: AlienGrey on December 24, 2015, 05:59:25 PM
Their is a PDF on this device where the rotor has been changed for a Neo magnet on both motors has any one tried that idea ? if it doesn't work, it's your risk !
Spotting the black mark pixilation next to the guy's thumb tells me this is purely CGI.
It would make a nice gag gift for a kid. Today though a kid wouldn't spend more than ten minutes on it--they seem to all know most adults are full of shit.
a lot of people have a misconception about "perpetual motion" when it comes to planets and atoms.
They think these things revolve around their hosts for eternity, but nothing could be further from the truth.
The orbits of the planets can be measured and calculated to show that the planets are in fact falling into the sun,
a tiny bit each year as they orbit. eventually, every planet will be consumed by the sun's gravity.
(the sun won't last long enough to eat the earth, but it is falling towards it)
Even the atomic structure does not keep electrons orbiting forever.
Each atom has a charge, and this charge is weakened each orbit an electron makes around the nucleus.
The time-derivative of the number of electron orbits an atom has left it its' lifetime, is known as the atoms "halflife".
this is the average time half of a given sample of a given element, will run out of energy and decay into the next lower state of existence.
every atom is like a tiny clock winding down. eventually they will all stop.
perspective
While it may not be eternal perpetual motion feeding on some unseen source,
I am most definitely impressed ...we see what can happen with the little guys when we get sloppy
and nasty with them.
https://images.rapgenius.com/966ac6d9fe9ee1c1dc6b4eb5de847a50.719x496x1.jpg
tapping this energy in a more friendly and controlled way will surely be our destiny , they're the ultimate source of our energy.
perhaps Richard Hull in his garage with his students or Alexander Parkhomov in His kitchen are most of the way there already ?
and they're just fellows playing around with no budgets or real support.
sort of like these forums ...
just some fellows playing around ....doing their part to change things .
Oh lest I forget...so we can diminish our Carbon footprint as the powers that be wish !
respectfully
Chet K
What happens when the 2 3.7v Li-ion batteries inside the coils go flat ?
We send them to Alexander in Moscow and he shows you what to do with lithium and a few basic
ingredients.
waste not want not !
Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 27, 2015, 02:16:58 AM
a lot of people have a misconception about "perpetual motion" when it comes to planets and atoms.
They think these things revolve around their hosts for eternity, but nothing could be further from the truth.
The orbits of the planets can be measured and calculated to show that the planets are in fact falling into the sun,
a tiny bit each year as they orbit. eventually, every planet will be consumed by the sun's gravity.
(the sun won't last long enough to eat the earth, but it is falling towards it)
Even the atomic structure does not keep electrons orbiting forever.
Each atom has a charge, and this charge is weakened each orbit an electron makes around the nucleus.
The time-derivative of the number of electron orbits an atom has left it its' lifetime, is known as the atoms "halflife".
this is the average time half of a given sample of a given element, will run out of energy and decay into the next lower state of existence.
every atom is like a tiny clock winding down. eventually they will all stop.
I have never in my life heard that the Earth will fall into the sun. What I have heard repeatedly is that the Earth will remain in orbit as the sun starts to expand at the end of its natural life and becomes a Red Giant. The sun will expand past the orbit of the Earth and effectively "consume" the Earth and the other inner planets. So where are you getting your comment from?
Likewise, the stuff you are saying about atoms is something that I have never heard in my life. There is no such thing as "charge weakening" in an atom. "Half life" has nothing to do with what you are attributing it to. Where is this coming from?
Quote from: MileHigh on December 29, 2015, 10:16:14 AM
I have never in my life heard that the Earth will fall into the sun. What I have heard repeatedly is that the Earth will remain in orbit as the sun starts to expand at the end of its natural life and becomes a Red Giant. The sun will expand past the orbit of the Earth and effectively "consume" the Earth and the other inner planets. So where are you getting your comment from?
yes, I said that. OUR sun won't last long enough for the earth to fall into it. But the law's of gravity say that it will eventually do so.
Our sun will "die" before that happens, long long before...
gravitational orbits always decay. that's why our satellites need boosters to keep them in the right place.
the distances and velocities of the planets, moons, asteroids around our sun lend to very long orbital decay times.
all this data is available for one that seeks it, I would start with NASA or any one of the National Observatory Telescope museums scattered around the country. They like to collect that stuff.
"if the sun were not to run out of fuel and expand", they can calculate the exact date each of the planets will fall into the firery reactor, starting with Mercury.
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Likewise, the stuff you are saying about atoms is something that I have never heard in my life. There is no such thing as "charge weakening" in an atom. "Half life" has nothing to do with what you are attributing it to. Where is this coming from?
its not called "charge weakening",... the nucleic charge weakens.
its the same process of orbital decay, but the electron is moving at nearly the speed of light.
they don't "fall into" the atom, When energy is exchanged between the nucleus and electron
the nucleus always loses out. electrons are replenished/replaced freely from the environment.
the nucleus is isolated from energy going in, only out.
you can watch a single atom over trillions of orbits without ever observing it decay into a lower state.
or it could decay before you can focus the microscope on the image of the atom you wish to observe.....
what "half life" means, is that in a given sample of a particular species of atom,
sometimes billions of atoms...
approx. half of them will have decayed into a lower state after x amount of time.
its' an average value based of many observations
we cannot know the particular energetic state of every individual atom, only the ones we observe.
furthermore, the method of observation changes the very value of the data we are attempting to obtain.
once we know the state of an atom, we can calculate each of its orbits' from now until the end of eternity
(at least that's what it feels like after countless hours and gallons of coffee at the local IHOP)
and determine precisely when the electron's orbit will no longer be stable
within a certain % of events unknown to us that may alter that future path.
the electron almost always maintains a similar "value" of energy or charge at its stable low energy state
it's not even the same electron the atom started with, they often switch places many times through an atom's life.
it is bound to atom by the opposing nucleic charge, which is not replenished by the environment.
so this charge decreases over time, due to energetic exchanges between the electron and nucleus
until the forces holding it together become unstable.
the nucleus may then lose a proton, neutron or lower energy particle.
it is the reverse process of fusion, eventually everything will revert back to the base elements.
even the most radioactive of substances
until all energy/heat/mass/radiation is evenly dispersed across the universe in a thin motionless film of dust.......
Quote from: hartiberlin on June 01, 2011, 05:34:36 PM
Hi All,
I just came across this Youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kGINYRKD34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kGINYRKD34)
So what are your comments to this ?
Many thanks to Peter for this video.
Regards, Stefan.
without the electronics, this setup is something most of us have a lot of experience with.
2/3's of the arc set up with magnetic arrays and a rotor that kicks out of the field with a nice force.
however, we can't quite seem to get it back into the array. adding the 3rd arc piece to complete the circle
well, that results in disaster...
so. This guy takes the two sided magnet as soon as it kicks out of the second arc repelling field
and generates electricity through one pass of the coil, and kicks the magnet during the second pass
using a part of that generated energy
the rest is stored for lighting the bulb.
if this is real, it has to be something with the momentum generated by the repelling field.
we could calculate the force values at that point in the field, with the (avg) velocity of the arm as it circles around through that part of the device
and know exactly how much electrical energy would be created by a single pass of a magnet across a given coil.
additionally, we could calculate how much force is generated by a smaller pulse sent INTO the coil...
and what that would do to the already moving rotor arm
we then calculate the repulsion barrier force that prevents the arm from entering the field,
and how fast we need it to be moving as it leaves the coil.
that gives us the parameters for any number of circuit designs, and a known value of any excess or deficit energy.
Smoky2:
>>> OUR sun won't last long enough for the earth to fall into it. But the law's of gravity say that it will eventually do so.
Okay, so you are saying the orbit of the Earth will outlast the sun so for all practical intents and purposes you can ignore the "decaying" orbit of the Earth. It's a near frictionless orbit, there is just primarily space dust "decaying" it. It's all about proportionality.
>>> that's why our satellites need boosters to keep them in the right place.
Now that's a completely different story, perhaps by 20-30 orders of magnitude or more.
>>> or it could decay before you can focus the microscope on the image of the atom you wish to observe.....
Here I believe you are talking about the spontaneous radioactive decay of the heavier elements into lighter elements. if an element is not radioactive, it will still decay but over absolutely astronomical amounts of time. So again, for all practical intents and purposes, oxygen does not undergo a radioactive decay. It's all a question of orders of magnitude again.
MileHigh
Well
this may not be like Grandads Chevrolet....[or Atomic theory]
If Konstantin Balakiryan ,Rossi , Alexander Parkhomov and MANY MANY others are correct.
The Books will need a big Tune up.
speaking of Tune Ups and Pink Unicorns .
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=corvette+unicorn+youtube&view=detail&mid=AD09BA9709333B690A7EAD09BA9709333B690A7E&FORM=VIRE3
Sigh............
How many time has people claim overunity and it turns out to be a total scam, 100%
Don't be like the rest and sell your home for a free energy device and find out it needs energy to run.
I always wonder why many on these forum keep pushing the same old donkey of free energy, when it really is a pile of horse shit...
any how, hello and have a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
Tom
Quote from: TommeyLReed on December 05, 2017, 08:24:21 PM
How many time has people claim overunity and it turns out to be a total scam, 100%
Don't be like the rest and sell your home for a free energy device and find out it needs energy to run.
I always wonder why many on these forum keep pushing the same old donkey of free energy, when it really is a pile of horse shit...
any how, hello and have a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
Tom
There is many free energy devices already in existence today Tom,like solar panels,wind turbines,tidal power-etc.
What if we could harvest 100% of the suns energy?--thats around 1.3Kwh per square meter.
We then have a situation,where just 4 square meters would be enough to power most homes.
If only solar panels were 100% efficient.
Tinman,
Yes I agree that is free energy to a point, but none of these other crazy idea of magnet motors and Tesla scams will work.
I don't see people talking about solar or other natural free energy conversion that will never be 100% efficient by the way.
It seem like its really a circus that keeps people on the same old path of foolish wasted time of nothing.
So buy solar, and get your free energy only for a few hours on a good day.
Put up a windmill while the wind blows to generated some more free energy and when the wind stops no power is created.
Shoot, build hydroelectric where its more efficient then the above, and still none of you would be happy.
My point is clear and simple, none of us are happy with what we know works. So we have fun building this and that to say look free energy, when 100% was either a scam or over looking real test results.
I know many of you look up to Tesla and his free energy claims, but the real facts is he was also a scammer to a point when his backers gave him money to work on radio but he was doing something else; like pulling energy from a power plant and wasting it to transmit it somewhere else.
This is what did Tesla in at the end, even today people still think he made free energy.
Tom
Tesla never claimed to "make" free energy.
His plan was to make energy "free", to everyone.
The energies he toyed with came from sources.
Some of his own design, some from power plants and
generators, and some from unbelievably astronomical
sources.
Take a look around you, almost every modern technology
is a direct result of that mans work.
If you have any reason to doubt a single word Tesla said
concerning any of his technology, it may very well be that
you do not understand it.
As far as those of us that are still alive, searching for
alternative sources of energy- I see no harm in doing so.
What is the worst thing that could come from research?
We accidentally discover something?
Or learn from the process?
Why condemn others for this?
And if this is your stance, why join an over unity forum?
If we could just tap the endless energy of the naysayers.....
Let me answer your question in layman terms.
If my understanding is right, free energy means the energy that can be freely obtained out of thin air. They do not have to be overunity. They can be just another little known energy source. Perpetual motion machines are one of the possibilities.
The conventional laws of thermodynamics are undoubtedly the laws of physics. But these laws are not legal laws. Breaking these laws does not necessarily mean one should be jailed.
I suggest you go through all the threads in this forum to find out which perpetual motion machines can be used to generate electricity.
Solar energy from conventional solar panel is free but there is almost nothing new in this area. That's why it is rarely discussed in a physics forum such as this one.
Quote from: TommeyLReed on December 05, 2017, 08:24:21 PM
How many time has people claim overunity and it turns out to be a total scam, 100%
Don't be like the rest and sell your home for a free energy device and find out it needs energy to run.
I always wonder why many on these forum keep pushing the same old donkey of free energy, when it really is a pile of horse shit...
any how, hello and have a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
Tom
I think he did, but i think he has a point. We are not enlightened enough to foretell any scientific development.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 06, 2017, 10:47:41 PM
Tesla never claimed to "make" free energy.
His plan was to make energy "free", to everyone.
The energies he toyed with came from sources.
Some of his own design, some from power plants and
generators, and some from unbelievably astronomical
sources.
Take a look around you, almost every modern technology
is a direct result of that mans work.
If you have any reason to doubt a single word Tesla said
concerning any of his technology, it may very well be that
you do not understand it.
As far as those of us that are still alive, searching for
alternative sources of energy- I see no harm in doing so.
What is the worst thing that could come from research?
We accidentally discover something?
Or learn from the process?
Why condemn others for this?
And if this is your stance, why join an over unity forum?
If we could just tap the endless energy of the naysayers.....
Try this. Get a 7.5 inch or 255 mm diameter ceramic magnet and with the help of a wooden center point place a non ferrous 8 mm shaft in the dead center vertically about 12 inches long. Shaft must not turn.
Next take a older 7 inch record with a small center hole reamed out to 8 mm and place it on the ceramic magnet shaft. Find the exact point when on the ceramic magnet where the polarity forces are the greatest.
Mark that area with a silver paint line scribed in a circle on the record top. Divide the 7 inch record circle evenly into 4 exact parts with silver paint scribed lines.
Take the record off the ceramic magnet shaft and proceed as below.
Make four 45 degree wooden angles and space them out equally around the record circle drawn with silver paint.
Epoxy them in place. Now take 4 powerful block N 52 magnets and epoxy them so all polarities are the same as the polarity of the ceramic magnet they FACE. Do this on top of the wood 45 degree angles.
Epoxy them in place one at a time and be sure the epoxy has set up before going to the next one.
Otherwise magnet jumping will occur.
Now take the finished record disk and place it onto the ceramic magnet shaft. It should "float" in place and spin at the same time because of the 45 degree angle displacement of the record disk magnets.
Presto a full permanent magnet motor without any wiring whatsoever. I am trying this right now.
Used a wood disk and aluminum 45 degree angles in my first try and the magnets I used were not powerful enought to levitate. Will give you some idea of what I am talking about however.
All information listed above is open source and given freely so there should not be a scramble to patent anything.
Quote from: magnetman12003 on September 05, 2019, 04:14:08 PM
Try this. Get a 7.5 inch or 255 mm diameter ceramic magnet and with the help of a wooden center point place a non ferrous 8 mm shaft in the dead center vertically about 12 inches long. Shaft must not turn.
Next take a older 7 inch record with a small center hole reamed out to 8 mm and place it on the ceramic magnet shaft. Find the exact point when on the ceramic magnet where the polarity forces are the greatest.
Mark that area with a silver paint line scribed in a circle on the record top. Divide the 7 inch record circle evenly into 4 exact parts with silver paint scribed lines.
Take the record off the ceramic magnet shaft and proceed as below.
Make four 45 degree wooden angles and space them out equally around the record circle drawn with silver paint.
Epoxy them in place. Now take 4 powerful block N 52 magnets and epoxy them so all polarities are the same as the polarity of the ceramic magnet they FACE. Do this on top of the wood 45 degree angles.
Epoxy them in place one at a time and be sure the epoxy has set up before going to the next one.
Otherwise magnet jumping will occur.
Now take the finished record disk and place it onto the ceramic magnet shaft. It should "float" in place and spin at the same time because of the 45 degree angle displacement of the record disk magnets.
Presto a full permanent magnet motor without any wiring whatsoever. I am trying this right now.
Will see if it levitates and spins clockwise tomorrow.
Quote from: tinman on December 05, 2017, 11:31:43 PM
There is many free energy devices already in existence today Tom,like solar panels,wind turbines,tidal power-etc.
What if we could harvest 100% of the suns energy?--thats around 1.3Kwh per square meter.
We then have a situation,where just 4 square meters would be enough to power most homes.
If only solar panels were 100% efficient.
Solar panels work more eff cool than hot. In mid day sun, they are at their worst. So if we built a water cooling panel under the solar panels and used the hot water for hot water needs, pool heater, hot tanks before the water heater, per sq ft we can capture more energy adding to the more eff solar panels that are cooled in the process.
Mags