I am starting a new thread where Thomas Trowegers Pyramid can be discussed without clogging up his main forum and getting in the way of people actually doing physical work . People doing OU research are passionate by their very nature . They want to ask a million questions , and the inventor gets overwhelmed , for example Romero . So until there is something concrete to discuss , why not do it here?
I don't know much of this except my parents did it in the 70's and it kept razor blades sharp and slowed down mold growth.
Chris Dunne http://www.gizapower.com has some theories on pyramids as power sources, and Carmen Boulter http://www.pyramidcode.com talks about the mineralogy of the ground underneath being helpful with power production in the battery-sense of the word.
Interesting stuff.
The re-emergence of the TT pyramid came as a surprise to me . I built a pyramid , version V6 , back about 5 years ago .I spent money and time I could not afford ,and called upon favours from friends . I still remember how bitterly disappointed I felt when nothing was achieved .At the time , TT made no mention of dowsing or divining . If he had done so , I would not have become involved . Numerous people made unsuccessful replications . I could never understand what TT hoped to achieve by giving incomplete information .
Having said all that , the difference is that this time , we have Ben and Friegeist working under the supervision of TT himself . The cause of Free Energy is so important that we can not afford to dwell on the past . Ben is optimistic enough to invest time and money .We can only hope he succeeds , and if he does , that he will take care to manage his affairs such that he avoids being overwhelmed .I have less money now than I did 5 years ago . So I will build nothing until Ben succeeds . Good Luck Ben
Quote from: neptune on July 17, 2011, 03:22:03 PM
The re-emergence of the TT pyramid came as a surprise to me . I built a pyramid , version V6 , back about 5 years ago .I spent money and time I could not afford ,and called upon favours from friends . I still remember how bitterly disappointed I felt when nothing was achieved .At the time , TT made no mention of dowsing or divining . If he had done so , I would not have become involved . Numerous people made unsuccessful replications . I could never understand what TT hoped to achieve by giving incomplete information .
Having said all that , the difference is that this time , we have Ben and Friegeist working under the supervision of TT himself . The cause of Free Energy is so important that we can not afford to dwell on the past . Ben is optimistic enough to invest time and money .We can only hope he succeeds , and if he does , that he will take care to manage his affairs such that he avoids being overwhelmed .I have less money now than I did 5 years ago . So I will build nothing until Ben succeeds . Good Luck Ben
Thanks Neptune,
Money within reason is not a problem, but absolute correct information is vital for a producing unit. I hope to clear up a few small points
in my next session with Thomas. As he is sending me the parts to build a metric reactor, etc. I am simply waiting till they arrive. I can Skype real time with a portable camera so Thomas can see exactly what I am doing and what I have done. He is a very intuitive builder and has years of experience in what does and what does not work.
He looked at my "Inch" reactor and immediately told me two things I had to change to make it work, from what had been completed up to that point, it simply would not have worked and I would have not been the wiser and scratching my head. I will continue to putter on it, build the Pyramid and wait for his reactor. Will stake out a field here if I can find nodes that will work with a Pyramid and get a charging system set up, test it with my experimental reactor, etc. The physics of the reactor is most intereting to me. I have some ideas what it is physically, but until It works, it is just a theroy. That it puts out DC just blows my mind based on it's construction!!!!! It is a steep learning curve process here in the world outside the box.
Ben K4ZEP
Hi Ben , and thanks for joining us on this thread . It keeps us on the front page , and this thread will be sorely needed to keep chitchat off the main page when , in a few days it goes ballistic . Written words , and video`s have their limitations . When you think you covered everything , there is always something you missed . It would be interesting to hear what was wrong with your first reactor , but it is much more important that we let you concentrate on the main task .
Here are some questions for water diviners . I live on the Fens , a vast tract of land which , in the last 250 years has been reclaimed from the sea . It has been described as "the sink of six counties ." Every rural house now has mains water supply . But most of the old houses originally had wells . Anywhere on the fens , the underground water is only a few feet below the surface . So I expect a successful well could be sunk anywhere .These wells were often about 40 feet deep , in case of drought . The question is , do we still have underground water ley lines and nodes and Hartmann lines etc? What I am really asking for is opinions as to whether a pyramid would work on the Fens .
Quote from: neptune on July 18, 2011, 07:57:10 AM
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What I am really asking for is opinions as to whether a pyramid would work on the Fens .
...you mean sort of like an Electric Fens?
it's a strange old world, isn't it?
everywhere else around the planet, people employ dowsers to try and locate water
in the Fens, people used to employ dowsers to try and locate dry land ;)
BTW it was good to see Mr Troweger (in his outdoor videos) showing some DVM readings from the reactor, before and after connecting anything to it
greetings
np
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Things are moving relatively quickly towards the time when Ben gets his machine completed .I would expect that within a week or at most a fortnight , we shall see some definite results , whether they are positive or negative . Slowly but surely we are learning more about the problematic little details , type of fan , number of turns on the coils , The use of AC rather than DC to electrify the sand . So if there really is something to this , we should not have to wait long . No news yet from the other guy who showed pictures of his completed pyramid . Although I am not replicating yet , I am keeping a look out for copper pipe etc . As a town dweller I have no garden , and so will have to "borrow " someone elses . I am finding the waiting hard .
Quote from: neptune on July 19, 2011, 12:47:13 PM
Things are moving relatively quickly towards the time when Ben gets his machine completed .I would expect that within a week or at most a fortnight , we shall see some definite results , whether they are positive or negative . Slowly but surely we are learning more about the problematic little details , type of fan , number of turns on the coils , The use of AC rather than DC to electrify the sand . So if there really is something to this , we should not have to wait long . No news yet from the other guy who showed pictures of his completed pyramid . Although I am not replicating yet , I am keeping a look out for copper pipe etc . As a town dweller I have no garden , and so will have to "borrow " someone elses . I am finding the waiting hard .
Hi Neptune,
You find the waiting hard!!!!!!! It's killing me too. I am going slow and trying to keep all my ducks in a row. WX is very nice in FL today,
I'm going out in a few min and try to find a node or two outside our Condo. I'm so far out in the twilight zone, it ain't funny!
Onward and upward.........Hummmm How am I going to explain the Pyramid to all the old ladies looking out their windows!!!?????? Might be better going to the park across the street or the field about 2 miles away!
Tomorrow going with a friend with his truck to get a piece of 4X4, 1/4" ply for a template to build the pyramid, plus gypsum board and metal, that is next big part of project. With a good shop, a 1/2 day job., in a condo, 2-3 days to bring to a finish......Again, you do what you gotta do! It is most important to build square at the base, all angles right, Cross hairs on base, angles off the sides for the "center" of the Reactor, etc. oh have to build the capacitor but that should only take an hour or so.....Must find a node or It is all for naught.
Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Neptune,
Thank you for desribing the Fens & how they reclaimed it from the sea. What country is that?
Thanks.
.
Hi Ben . you just need a tent and a dog . build the fourth side of your pyramid with a dog- shaped hole in it . Put your tent up , and put the pyramid next to it . Passers by will assume its a portable kennel . Incidentally , as I recall from last time , you can get all 4 sides of the pyramid from one 8x4sheet . Start by drawing a triangle near one end . Invert the next one , next one right way up , and final one inverted . Do not cut all the triangles the same size . If your board is say half an inch thick , make the North and south panels one inch wider so , at the corners , they overlap the East and west panels . Hope that is clear .
@FatBird . The fens are on the East coast of England . Reclamation started with the Romans ,and was finally completed about 1820 with the coming of steam engines . The fens look a lot like the reclaimed land in the Netherlands , and indeed we imported Dutch engineers to supervise the jobs . Today , it is the best agricultural land on earth . Electric pumps are used today , and some areas are 8 feet below sea level . The fens cover an area about 80 miles by 35 . Wonderful country for cycling in , but often windy . Our latest cash crop is wind turbines ! The land is so flat there is a famous photo of a railway , and you can see the curvature of the earth [ 8 inches in every mile .] To the outsider it can be boring , but to me a native , it is beautiful . There is no truth in the rumour that fen-men have webbed feet . The fens were drained to benefit rich landowners , and the peasants lost their rights to wildfowling and fishing .There were riots . The local member of parliament said the it had come to his notice that the peasants could earn a good living working three days a week wildfowling and fishing . The rest of the time was spent in alehouses in "licentious behavior " and it must be stopped .Have you ever noticed that when you get a good scene going , somebody wants to stop it...There you go , a potted history of the fens . why not take a look for yourself ?
A final, question for Ben . I wonder if this conditioning of the sand is absolute . In other words , can it be "a bit" conditioned , or is it yes -or -no . I am thinking , would 2 Kvolts from a microwave oven transformer do the job ?
Neptune,
Thank you for that history lesson. You are right, it does sound like a great place.
If i lived there, I would put up a wind generator & take advantage of the abundant winds there.
.
Quote from: neptune on July 19, 2011, 03:05:31 PM
Hi Ben . you just need a tent and a dog . build the fourth side of your pyramid with a dog- shaped hole in it . Put your tent up , and put the pyramid next to it . Passers by will assume its a portable kennel . Incidentally , as I recall from last time , you can get all 4 sides of the pyramid from one 8x4sheet . Start by drawing a triangle near one end . Invert the next one , next one right way up , and final one inverted . Do not cut all the triangles the same size . If your board is say half an inch thick , make the North and south panels one inch wider so , at the corners , they overlap the East and west panels . Hope that is clear .
@FatBird . The fens are on the East coast of England . Reclamation started with the Romans ,and was finally completed about 1820 with the coming of steam engines . The fens look a lot like the reclaimed land in the Netherlands , and indeed we imported Dutch engineers to supervise the jobs . Today , it is the best agricultural land on earth . Electric pumps are used today , and some areas are 8 feet below sea level . The fens cover an area about 80 miles by 35 . Wonderful country for cycling in , but often windy . Our latest cash crop is wind turbines ! The land is so flat there is a famous photo of a railway , and you can see the curvature of the earth [ 8 inches in every mile .] To the outsider it can be boring , but to me a native , it is beautiful . There is no truth in the rumour that fen-men have webbed feet . The fens were drained to benefit rich landowners , and the peasants lost their rights to wildfowling and fishing .There were riots . The local member of parliament said the it had come to his notice that the peasants could earn a good living working three days a week wildfowling and fishing . The rest of the time was spent in alehouses in "licentious behavior " and it must be stopped .Have you ever noticed that when you get a good scene going , somebody wants to stop it...There you go , a potted history of the fens . why not take a look for yourself ?
A final, question for Ben . I wonder if this conditioning of the sand is absolute . In other words , can it be "a bit" conditioned , or is it yes -or -no . I am thinking , would 2 Kvolts from a microwave oven transformer do the job ?
Hi Neptune,
Thanks for the heads up on the 4X8 sheet. Will have to buy a whole piece but I think Home Depot here will cut it down for you.
I simply can not tell you about the correct voltage for the conditioning of the sand. I have the question into Thomas as to what he thinks is the ideal AC voltage for the conditioning voltage, but haven't heard on that as of now. I'm sure I'll hear by tomorrow. Just got back home,
going to stabilize the top of the little tube in the center of the big tube with room to pour sand and give it a try now in a few min. I'm going to try it @ 5,000VAC the first time and see what happens.......Luck............
Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
Hey Neptune,
I see you folks have aerosol chemtrails sprayed there too.
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@FatBird . Nice photo of the fens . Without hills , we have the biggest skies in the world .They must be irresistible to the chemtrail brigade .
Just a general pyramid question . In the videos , TT shows epoxy glue being used to seal the points where the ends of the inner winding comes out the inner tube . I would have thought it was more important to seal the holes in the inner tube where the inner winding wires enter the inner tube .Without this , sand can escape into the inner tube . However , TT makes no mention of this .
@Madsatbg . I posted a very similar theory to yours on the main thread . Thomas said that when a brushless fan motor is spun by hand , it gives no output , so I did not bother to test it . After seeing your theory I did test it , and it gives about 2.5 to 3 volts . And it is definitely DC as it will light a LED one way but not the other . So your theory that the fan charges the "capacitor" sounds about right to me at this stage . Personally I feel it best to discuss theories on this thread to avoid clogging up the main thread .
Hi Neptune,
I believe that the pyramid of Thomas is working.
But I do not like to tune of "dark".
Not knowing what I'm looking.
When Thomas set his pyramid, he uses the word synchronization.
I understand the synchronization between the two generators.
But here we have only one - the Earth.
7-15 Hz.
But Thomas showed Oscillogram where seen in the frequency range of MHz ...
This leads me to believe that we have LC resonant circuit.
As each round vibrations subside sooner or later.
How shrewdly Thomas to maintain the oscillation does not subside.
Here me now, as orthodox Engineer,
makes me look how the transformation of radiant energy through quartz sand.
What impact does the underground water and network Hartman.
Here we intervene energy pyramid, underground water, quartz sand
I quote a friend "Our education prevents to grasp the essence"
So how do you think why not go the first time your pyramid?
What is measured? How many volts received.AC or DC?
Did oscillations, I also measured the oscillations similar to Thomas, but with smaller amplitude.
regards
Quote from: neptune on July 20, 2011, 08:29:45 AM
@FatBird . Nice photo of the fens . Without hills , we have the biggest skies in the world .They must be irresistible to the chemtrail brigade .
Just a general pyramid question . In the videos , TT shows epoxy glue being used to seal the points where the ends of the inner winding comes out the inner tube . I would have thought it was more important to seal the holes in the inner tube where the inner winding wires enter the inner tube .Without this , sand can escape into the inner tube . However , TT makes no mention of this .
Inner tube question........I sealed the inner tube down to where the wire enters with a epoxy plug so no sand can get out or moisture can enter the sand chamber.
Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Some how I can't get over the fact that the "reactor" looks at bit, and may act a whole like like my capacitor can cement beach-sand cell. When placed in series the cells can have as many volts as needed. The beach sand is mostly quartz, and iron fillings. It can also take on an additional charge, as well as to also give a charge, permanently. Each cell outputs 50 to 70 mA, and 1.5 volts.
What is the output of Thomas's pyramid?
@Nick
How your 'crystal' (its NOT crystal) battery LOOKS is the only similarity. I have stated this before about the concrete batteries (and similar)...they are NOT crystal batteries.
1) ANY crystal radio/receiver/circuit works on the RECTIFICATION of incoming oscillating waves and transforms that into voltage/current. If you dont rectify it, you will see the waveform on the scope and you have your proof you have a TRUE crystal receiver. TT pyramid appears to be a true crystal reciever. The pyramid is the focussing antenna, the reactor a scalar/radiant magnifier. The SAND is merely a cats whisker DIODE that rectifies the oscillations.
2) It makes 100% sense that the sand has to be dry....'wet' or damp crystals would act as very poor cats whiskers.
3) THIS leads to how we know the cement cells are not crystal batteries and why they die down. Perform this experiment - Place one of you batteries in an oven and bake until nice and hot. IF it were a true xtal battery, it would perform even better....you will see when you take it out and place your multimeter on it it will read absolutely big fat 0 volts. WHY?? All the water is gone. These cells are galvanic and nothing more!!! The other truth of it is this....if they were true crystal cells and some 'magical' rectification was coming from that beach sand/cement, you would be able to use the same metal for the inner and outer casing.
You cement battery guys are playing with cruddy battery technology where the french started 100 years ago. Their first batteries were made exactly the same way from plaster of paris. Its the minute amount of moisture and disimilar metals doing the work. GALVANIC
@matsatbg
In essence you dont need the pyramid. The pyramid is just a focussing antenna.
Well, those are your thoughts, not mine. First I must say that the cells are months old, and have been totally dried in the oven overnight even from the day they were made. Second as some people have noticed they can produce a voltage using the same metals, although not to the same degree. There may be is more to this than a galvanic reaction. These cell are still permanently producing output, are working totally dry and have not died, and can produce as much or voltage as the pyramid.
Again, what is the voltage and current output of this 3 foot model???
As I've mentioned before I already have a 6 foot pyramid ready made and only need this reactor and tiny fan etz... to get this replication made. I'm waiting for the results, which up to now not too convincing.
As you mentioned you don't need the pyramid... and I personally don't see this reactor as anything else than what I'm working on, now if you can produce 110 volts I might think twice, but, so far I don't see this kind of usable output from any device.
What is the proof that the pyramid is not a galvanic device??? Iron, and copper, there you have it. If what you mean by "to rectify" is the same as what I mean by a conversion process of Aether to usable electrical power, then they are working by the same principal, which is not galvanic, but something not discovered 100 years ago. Hutchinson also states his opinion of the crystal cell.
In anycase, ELECTRIC GOOSE, I won't waist more of your time as you've already made your mind up. This is intended for others...
Well, those are your thoughts, not mine. First I must say that the cells are months old, and have been totally dried in the oven overnight even from the day they were made. Second as some people have noticed they can produce a voltage using the same metals, although not to the same degree. There may be is more to this than a galvanic reaction. These cell are still permanently producing output, are working totally dry and have not died, and can produce as much or voltage as the pyramid.
Again, what is the voltage and current output of this 3 foot model???
As I've mentioned before I already have a 6 foot pyramid ready made and only need this reactor and tiny fan etz... to get this replication made. I'm waiting for the results, which up to now not too convincing.
As you mentioned you don't need the pyramid... and I personally don't see this reactor as anything else than what I'm working on, now if you can produce 110 volts I might think twice, but, so far I don't see this kind of usable output from any device.
What is the proof that the pyramid is not a galvanic device??? Iron, and copper, there you have it. If what you mean by "to rectify" is the same as what I mean by a conversion process of Aether to usable electrical power, then they are working by the same principal, which is not galvanic, but something not discovered 100 years ago. Hutchinson also states his opinion of the crystal cell.
In anycase, ELECTRIC GOOSE, I won't waist more of your time as you've already made your mind up. This is intended for others...
Sorry for the double post, sometimes I press the post button and nothing happens.
Quote from: NickZ on July 20, 2011, 09:39:05 PM
Well, those are your thoughts, not mine. First I must say that the cells are months old, and have been totally dried in the oven overnight even from the day they were made. Second as some people have noticed they can produce a voltage using the same metals, although not to the same degree. There may be is more to this than a galvanic reaction. These cell are still permanently producing output, are working totally dry and have not died, and can produce as much or voltage as the pyramid.
Again, what is the voltage and current output of this 3 foot model???
As I've mentioned before I already have a 6 foot pyramid ready made and only need this reactor and tiny fan etz... to get this replication made. I'm waiting for the results, which up to now not too convincing.
As you mentioned you don't need the pyramid... and I personally don't see this reactor as anything else than what I'm working on, now if you can produce 110 volts I might think twice, but, so far I don't see this kind of usable output from any device.
What is the proof that the pyramid is not a galvanic device??? Iron, and copper, there you have it. If what you mean by "to rectify" is the same as what I mean by a conversion process of Aether to usable electrical power, then they are working by the same principal, which is not galvanic, but something not discovered 100 years ago. Hutchinson also states his opinion of the crystal cell.
In anycase, ELECTRIC GOOSE, I won't waist more of your time as you've already made your mind up. This is intended for others...
Did you watch his videos? He shows his device powering two motors peaking at 18 watts. His device is not a battery, and in fact his wire is insulated..
Also I don't see how you can say your batteries have no water, as there is moisture in the air we breathe. As far as the cells lasting months, I have typical lead acid batteries that last years and put out amps which can be bought for $20... However I think the Hutchison cell is different, but I haven't seen anyone reproduce it. He runs a motor on a single cell which I haven't seen anyone do. I think these cells are worth pursuing, but don't see much relation to what TT has done.
I would take a look TT's videos, they are quite interesting, especially the outdoor one. If this isn't some elaborate hoax, I think TT has really got something special.
Quote from: Freezer on July 20, 2011, 10:24:14 PM
Also I don't see how you can say your batteries have no water, as there is moisture in the air we breathe.
You are absolutely correct Freezer.
Nick...do you want to know the truth when you experiment or not?? You say to me I that I believe what I want or something to that effect and yet this is not true. I have held beliefs/theories before and yet we must not fall in love with them when the evidence of our EXTENSIVE experiments shows otherwise.
You say that your cells are 'dry'. I tell you that they are not and this is 100% fact. I made these concrete cells and placed them in an oven. IMMEDIATELY after removing from oven when they are definitely 100% dry there is 0 volts reading!! HOWEVER, stone/concrete/plaster etc is not waterproof entirely. It is like a big slow porous sponge and even in a really dry climate like where I reside, the ambient moisture (humidity) in air is between 7 - 10%.
What I noticed in my tests, was that 1 hour after the cell had returned to room temp (from hot oven), the cell started building voltage again (lets say 0.1v). Amps were non existent. Every hour therafter, the voltage raised a bit more until a few days later when it would peak and this was when the concrete had saturated to the ambient humidity again.
Alternately, you could fast forward the process and just dump your cell in a bucket of water OR even just wet the surface of the visible cement. I encourage you to do this and place the multimeter on it....you will see that the voltage will shoot up.
No magic crystal cell there.
However if you want to ignore the evidence and carry on with time wasting delusion...you do that.
The pyramid is nothing more than a big capacitor utilizing and converting Aether to electricity. As you will see.
When the cement cells are taken out of an initial 24 hour baking they are not only TOTALLY DRY, they are burning hot. Yes, there is water in the air, and still a little trapped inside the cells. But, as we have come to find out now, that the cells are losing there ability to produce an output over time, due not only from to the water inside drying out, but from oxidation of the electrodes, and the shrinking of the cement from the containers. This we are in the process of studying now, and working towards a practical solution. We are still in the infancy of these power cells. If they were working on a just a galvanic principal they would discharge like ALL other batteries and need to be recharged, these cells DON'T NEED RECHARGING. Why????? If all is known then why is it that you can't you buy a permanent output cell anywhere, for any price.
I have been watching this pyramid build and information since they were first introduced, but have not seen the outside video that was just made. Please post a link to it as I have not found it yet.
I am not arguing the galvanic or not theory, just looking for the true cause and effect, as what is important is the results, the reasons are secondary, as Thomas also mentions.
We don't even know what Aether really is, or electricity, or magnetic energy, or what is cold electricity, and other sources of as yet unknown and undiscovered and as yet unmeasurable power sources.
But, We don't need to be insulted, either, Electric Goose, if you are so smart why can't you be nice.
Quote from: NickZ on July 20, 2011, 11:34:52 PM
If they were working on a just a galvanic principal they would discharge like ALL other batteries and need to be recharged, these cells DON'T NEED RECHARGING. Why????? If all is known then why is it that you can't you buy a permanent output cell anywhere, for any price.
I am not arguing the galvanic or not theory, just looking for the true cause and effect, as what is important is the results, the reasons are secondary, as Thomas also mentions.
We don't even know what Aether really is, or electricity, or magnetic energy, or what is cold electricity, and other sources of as yet unknown and undiscovered and as yet unmeasurable power sources.
But, We don't need to be insulted, either, Electric Goose, if you are so smart why can't you be nice.
Nick
In answer to some of your questions.
1) These cells are galvanic BUT incredibly LOW ouput...therefore
2) Everything is exponentially calculated....many at the forum for instance says "oh wow these cells last forever". But do they and at what output??? Answer = NO they don't last forever they just seem to last a whole lot longer than conventional batteries. However, what is the point of lasting 10-20 years if the output is 1 volt at 2 milliamps for something the size and weight of a beer can? The reason they last so long and the output is so low is that the galvanic deteriotion is slowed by the 'solid electrolyte' and minimal moisture. At the end of it all its useless because the output is so low.
3) You can say that conventional carbon cells dont need recharging either. If you look at them fairly and the evidence....even a dried up old used carbon battery has 100x more power than concrete cell. I dont get where you are going with your recharging line of reasoning.
4) Why arent 'forever' cells on the market at any price? Really? Same reason they make electronics to last 5 years or less - Economics.
You say "the reasons are secondary"??????? I am astounded but not surprised at this comment and its shows why you are scrabbling in the dark. The reasons as to HOW and WHY things work are never ever secondary if you want to have a hope of building something or figuiring out a mystery!!
Just imagine if the Wright Brothers had said "we dont need to know what causes lift!" Oh dear...they would still be bolting flat pieces of plywood on things and wondering why they weren't getting off the ground. Once you know the why...you can bend and shape things any way you want!
Insulted??? Did I swear at you or call you stupid? I point out the truth. Did I really insult you or do you just feel insulted because of bad reasoning on your own part which makes you feel foolish?
Be honest with yourself.
Electric Goose:
At least you a trying to be a little nicer. I am not arguing the galvanic theory. I am suggesting that there is more to it. My cells are NOT like yours, mine have current and not just voltage. They did not come out of the oven dead. They are producing useful electric power for multiple leds throughout my house, nightly for months, and are still at it. They do not need recharging... for what ever reason. Even if galvanic as most think, they are the only source of silent permanent and daily free light that I've seen, yet.
Not trying to convince anyone, nor do I care if the these cells are galvanic, what I care about is that they last, at least long enough to be useful. But I will go to the Mg/Carbon cell next, as it produces much more current, and yes they are galvanic, and do rust out, and deteriorate, as does every battery made to date. But they don't EVER need to be charged.
This is not to dismiss the pyramid as an output source, as I've spend almost half my life inside pyramids, and I'm also interested in this thread, and its results, as much as anyone.
Here's tt's #2 outdoor video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=825A9G37P7s
On another note there is some pretty good nimh cells on the market called eneloop, made by sanyo, that seem to outperform all other nimh cells. They claim it can hold it's charge for 3 years and retain something like 80%. I have had some for almost a year and it hasn't lost .1 volts, so there are some on the market which seem to not be geared to die like the rest. Of course these won't last forever, but they are a vast improvement. I also read that a guy in China stole the design, and eneloop tried to sue them unsuccessfully. I think they are designing a battery for use in electric vehicles. Sanyo make really efficient solar cells as well, but are very expensive.
Freezer:
Thanks for the link, I'll take a look.
Also very interesting about the Sanyo nimh cells.
The main point is that cells can also be permanent output power source, needing no connection to the grid system. Like a permanent power supply. The fact that they are not being made available, or that we have not been able to perfect them to a usable degree, yet, its only a matter of time. Same with the pyramid generator. By the time we figure out how to do something ebay will be selling it, made in China for less than it would cost to build it. But like you said, it's not cheap, now.
I am very pleased I started this thread . It keeps stuff off the main thread that is not strictly relevant , and we have got some interesting discussions going on .What sets the pyramid apart from some other borderline technology ,is that the output is watts rather than milliwatts .OK . the power density is still quite low , but this is still in its infancy .Once we see replication , the scope for experimentation is huge . Once we understand the "how" , we might make better reactors .The pyramid is not necessarily the best shape for the job . Substitutes may be found for the gypsum boards . What about some specially treated , waterproof cloth ? The whole thing then becomes as portable as a tent . Then there is the problem of scale . A one metre pyramid harvests about 16 watts from one square metre of earth . So a small half metre size may give 4 watts , and that will light a hell of a lot of LEDS or possible charge your phone .
@ Ben K4ZEP . During tests , TT does not fit the fourth side panel to his pyramid . If you remember , please ask him what percentage power loss this causes .
Quote from: neptune on July 21, 2011, 07:06:41 AM
I am very pleased I started this thread . It keeps stuff off the main thread that is not strictly relevant , and we have got some interesting discussions going on .What sets the pyramid apart from some other borderline technology ,is that the output is watts rather than milliwatts .OK . the power density is still quite low , but this is still in its infancy .Once we see replication , the scope for experimentation is huge . Once we understand the "how" , we might make better reactors .The pyramid is not necessarily the best shape for the job . Substitutes may be found for the gypsum boards . What about some specially treated , waterproof cloth ? The whole thing then becomes as portable as a tent . Then there is the problem of scale . A one metre pyramid harvests about 16 watts from one square metre of earth . So a small half metre size may give 4 watts , and that will light a hell of a lot of LEDS or possible charge your phone .
@ Ben K4ZEP . During tests , TT does not fit the fourth side panel to his pyramid . If you remember , please ask him what percentage power loss this causes .
do not limit your self 16 watts/ per square metre!!! i know that pyramid is not the best shape for this, dont limit yourself what thomas says, my intuition tells me it is simple and we can power our house and we dont even need 1 metre space for the device. there are lots of possiblities out there, Btw the human body and brain defies the so called "laws" of physics which are not existent. they are here to limit us so we dont want to (cant) develop further , so the human brain and body should not work does it?? you know how complicated it is, there is no such device in the entire universe which is compared to a biological system like this vessel. all the codes are encrypted inside of us. There is absolutely nooo limit to anything, we only limit the time of experimentation and therefore there are smaller chances of developing this further.
I think that the Pyramid setup is just one way to tap that.
Comparing TTs comments and P.Marcovich claims is quite interesting.
A very interesting statement of TT was that his setups never worked with
litz wire.... compared to PM who prefered silver and gold over copper.
If there are some very high frequencies involved - there would be an extreme skin-effect,
and the usage of litz-wire would be not appropriate.
Another point is the interaction between receiver and transmitter.
Somehow I think that this energy is not offered as a general radiation...
It seems that the receiver somehow excites / syncs the transmitter.
An interesting clue as to how this might work . I have studied TT`s video`s several times . When he winds the inner coil , he temporarily fixes the wire with a piece of insulating tape . But he says that is very important to remove the tape when the coil is completed . In contrast , the outer coil is very firmly taped in position . This suggests to me that while the outer coil must be fixed ,the inner coil possibly needs to be able to physically vibrate . I could be wrong here , but until we know better it is important to follow all instructions .
Another practical point .when assembling the reactor , I would glue the wire exit points and strip the wire ends before filling the sand . This avoids inverting the reactor or knocking it about with the risk of disturbing the sand .
Although the understanding of why this type of pyramid works is of course an important point, but, it is not necessary to be able just replicate it, and see in action. It is possible that it is simply a type of capacitor, pulling in energy from the air, and separating the charges. On the other hand the fans input and his capacitor together may be working similar to how the toroid coils function in other devices, to produce the additional voltage.
We don't know how much Aether per cubic meter is present, but there is a constant stream of it.
He has been working on this project for years and although still in the beginning phases, and as yet possibly not yet replicated to the same or higher output, there may be a limit to what size is feasible.
For now it has one of the strongest outputs of most any of the free energy devices.
I will remind you all that the MITTs dome device, is less than a foot in size, and can start a car motor with its output, but again un-replicated.
Does that make it nonsense?
@NickZ .I can not say much about the Dome device as I am not familiar with it .Link please? .You say it is unreplicated , is it open source? Thomas has been working on the pyramid for many years . I would guess that the reactor is much more than a simple cap , as he would have tried this early on . The great news today is that we now have a guy in Germany , with a reactor that Thomas confirms is working .This is a massive step forward . If I understand correctly , Thomas sold the rights to the V6 version , and gained nothing but trouble . His decision to open source the V12 is the wisest thing he ever did . He admits that he has built better versions than this . But soon he will have something he never had before . A worldwide team of dedicated enthusiasts to take up the baton and run with it . Inevitably , there will be more research done in the next year than in the previous ten .New minds and fresh thinking will be brought to bear .I would like to bet that the best is yet to come .We ain't seen nothing yet . But even in its present form with 16 watts per square metre , it would be a godsend in a third world village . Better than solar for lighting , no batteries necessary . Watch this space .
@Madsatbg . It is interesting that your reactor gives different voltages in the house and outside .Perhaps we could use this as an alternative way to find "nodes" for those who are no good at divining . Just walk around the field with your reactor and multi meter .
Neptune:
I'll look for the link to the Mitts Dome Device.
I did watch Thomas's last outside video, but some parts are hard to hear or understand well, as the volume is low as he moves away from the camera, as well as his Pyromite way of talking.
He mentioned the light bulb used is 12 volts 6o watts?? The bigger fan seams to run slow in the video, for having 16 watts of current, might just be just the camara. In any case the light coming off of the bulb even while being outside is nice to see.
Sorry I don't understand all that was said.
If my memory serves me well, (not too reliable) he did try a simpler version with a copper tube capacitor system previously. I believe that he did called it a capacitor, again don't remember this too well.
"He admits that he has built better versions than this", but shows us this version instead? Could there more than meets the eye?
@Nick Z. I listen to the videos using a pair of cheap headphones . Thomas`s English is easier to hear with practice , I recommend you watch all the vids . Perhaps you can not expect him to give all his best work away . Here are some words Thomas uses which are not perfect English
Gypsum plates= plaster board
User = load
Ignition = spark
Kondensator or commutator = capacitor made from two windings on a plastic rod
water veins beyond the ground = underground water courses or energy lines .
The fan speed is hard to judge due to the strobe effect of the fluorescent lighting . The 60 watt bulb is not lit to full brightness . Willing to help if I can .My replication of the earlier version failed due to no mention of divining at the time .
Thomas said in the video that he would give the details of the voltage and current on his next video. Is that out yet? As I seam to miss the action at times.
Divining is something that can be learned, fairly quickly sometimes, depends if you have the knack, or interest. I can use just one rod and make it work, but for water dowsing two rods are best. Just try it, outside first, inside the house its not as easy. Keep your mind on water, or whatever you are looking for.
@NickZ. I have played with divining about 45 years ago . Like most people I can get a response from a pair of L rods , but I am not yet 100 % convinced that it is telling me anything meaningful . If , as I suggested earlier , a reactor and a multimeter can be used to find nodes , that would be a more scientific method to my way of thinking . After all , if we are looking to find which wire has a voltage on it , we use a volt meter , not a twig or a piece of bent wire . However , if TTs pyramid is validated , it may amongst other things help to validate dowsing , and scientifically verify its usefulness.I feel that getting electrical power from a pyramid will be hard enough without limiting ourselves by using ancient measuring techniques , if modern methods are available .That is the way I see it .
@ Neptune:
You can surely try your way, and if you get nothing, there is the old but reliable method. This is reading something other than what a voltmeter reads, as the meter does not read fields. You will soon know when you try your way, as you may see no reaction at all.
The problem is that the proper spot may not be where you would like it to be. There is also Aether passing by us all the time, and we can't see it or measure it by any normal methods, yet it's there.
This is not difficult to learn, or expensive to pay someone else to do it for you. But if you had done it before, it will work for you again.
There have been some very interesting developments in the last 24 hours .The leading contender at the moment seems to be madsatbg . He is so close that Thomas is already getting the beer out to celebrate . This is great news . There are some interesting things to be noted about madsatbg`s build .Please note that I am not being critical here . He has departed from TTs original specification in several ways , no doubt making use of locally available parts where the exact parts are not readily available . For the inner tube , he uses 15 mm copper instead of 10mm . For joining the inner and outer tubes at the ends , he uses a 28 mm X 15 mm reducer . And the basis of his condenser is not a plastic rod , but a 20mm plastic tube filled with spray foam . When he succeeds , it may show that some of the specs are not quite as critical as it appears . But where possible I think it pays to follow the original specifications as closely as possible .All I have done up to now is to start looking for parts . We live in exiting times .
Hello everyone
I live near Orleans, France.
I am also on the forum “Conspirovniscience†of Pascuser.
I do not speak English, as well as he, and I have no ability to understand and work multi-tasking.
But I'm pragmatic, certainly practical, and pretty good handyman.
I am interested in the subject since late June.
Of course, I saw the videos, the site of TT, and today I spent the day on the pages of O.U.
Not easy for me with the translations.
In the videos, I take a little the meaning of sentences, but I am afraid of misinterpretations ...
I correspond with Pascuser which includes much more detail, but it is not enough for me. :D
Indeed, TT wants his copy is reproduced by many people in the world. For this, he speaks in English on his many videos.
It's interesting for the details, but I am surprised that the basic dimensions are not data patterns? This would simplify many things for many people who would like to participate.
Especially because TT wants replicas, identical, to prove that it works elsewhere, and postpones personal interpretation.
Pyramid of one meter side. OK, but not really as my understanding is expressed.
Square tube, flat on the base, but the Madsatbg has oblique (which seems appropriate for TT) ...
Dimensions of tubes are shown in the video.
But the dimensions are different on the PDF in German, and O.U. ???
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==> Concrete to remain faithful to the achievement and spirit of TT :
The small copper tube is 8 /10 or 10/12 ?
The big copper tube is 18/20, 20/22 or 28/30 ?
The sides of one meter of the pyramid, which correspond to the following diagram?
Please, specify if the ribs are to change, on the correct pattern...
I am annoyed because I promised to send a pyramid (removable) to Pascuser, at the end August, and I do not want to leave on false bases.
Thank you.
I notice that in the diagram the angle of the pyramid sides is 60 degree, the normal pyramid is not equilateral triangles, but 51-52 degree sides instead.
@gegyx. Outer diameter of inner tube is 10mm [ note that madsatbg used 15 mm]
Large tube is 28-30mm . For more information on the actual pyramid , go to the main pyramid thread page 6 post#81 by duff . Thomas has given little or no information on building the actual pyramid this year . It looks like he is using the same pyramid as when we discussed the V6 version back in 2007 . At the time , there was the same confusion about dimensions . This is what Thomas said at the time . The one metre dimension is the measure of the INSIDE of the gypsum plates [gypse] . So if the 20 x20 pieces that make the base are laid flat on the floor [not twisted or oblique] the frame of the base needs to be a bit less than 1 metre square . If you do not understand , ask again , and I will help if I can .So I would say your diagram at the bottom left is correct .Salut
@NickZ . what do you mean by a normal pyramid .I suppose you mean the Great pyramid in Egypt [cheops] .I would say that it is a case of horses for courses , and having tried the classic design , TT has found by experiment what works best .
@K4ZEP . Ben , it looks like your theory about brass end caps has been vindicated . And likewise my theory about using this thread for stuff that is not directly relevant to construction . I did check the local DIY store to try and find a fitting like TT`s Tomorrow I will try a dedicated plummers merchant .
Yes, that is what Thomas used but there is a reason why the replications of the original great pyramid are at 51 degrees, it is not by chance. I don't know if Thomas has even tried it, as it looks like what he is using now is the same or similar to the pyramid he used years before.
My 6 foot pyramid is already at 51 degrees. So, if this pyramid output test works for some of you, I would then try it on my pyramid, even without any other changes to its shape. It's a matter of perfecting the "reactor" to work with each particular set-up. It's not one size fits all.
I would be interested to know if the sides are absolutely needed, also. Maybe Thomas had tried it without the side panels on, also, and can tell what the difference was.
Good evening
Thank you, for your answers.
I read the references in question, about the pyramid.
But it's still doubt about what was done or advocated Thomas.
Because it does speak to the equilateral triangle, so angle of 60°.
And replicas provide varying angles of 51 ° to 54 ° ...
The sketch above is the idea that it is Pascuser.
And the sketch below is mine.
But Thomas's plan may be a mixture of both ...
That is to say ! That the confusion is total ...
"The one meter size Is the measure of the INSIDE of the gypsum flower" is a valuable indication (which is also in my opinion). But is that a deduction or the words of TT?
It is unfortunate these endless discussions since 2007, and the risk of defects for global citizens interested, while a simple focus on a scheme by Thomas Trawöger itself, resolve the uncertainty.
If differences in measurements and angles are not essential, the state would be nice.
And would use his time and intelligence for the rest of the experience ...
I will also repeat a simple pattern (the game of the summer :D) for a simple answer, without losing the author time, and, eliminating any worries of understanding for the readers.
Quote from: k4zep on July 26, 2011, 08:05:32 AM
...... In the Video's that Thomas put out, he used BRASS END CAPS for the reactor. I believe this is important. I don't know why (of course I have a theory but it is just that) ....
Quote from: Trawoeger on July 26, 2011, 02:12:55 PM
...I made a quick test with a fully copper Reactor ... same result as madsatbg...
(The fan turnes max a second,nothing else...)
So it´s important to get the brass distancer..
@k4zep
now, that Thomas confirmed that brass spacers between the two copper tubes are a critical factor without which the reactor will not produce current, please tell us your theory about why this may be so.
Thanks.
edit: it is probably very difficult to convey such a theory in a way that will be understandable. It will probably be much work and difficult to do.
However, if you think, that the different material (brass) between the two copper tubes/electrodes does impede/delay the signals which come from either tube (emanating from the oscillating potential of the sand) and that such an impedance/delay results in a phase shift between these signals ...
... then we are thinking in the same direction ...
@K4ZEP. Hi Ben . One thing that is holding back the development of this technology , is the limited time that TT has to answer builders questions . This is understandable no doubt , as the man has a business to run , and his own life to lead . It would seem that one of his problems is finding time to read through the main thread seeking out the questions that need answers . I have a proposal to put to you . I know you have to have a life as well , and if you decline , then that is understandable , and we shall not think any less of you .
What I am suggesting is , that as our "elected representative" , We put all of our questions directly to you . Then when you get to talk to TT , you have a list of say 10 questions to ask . If possible , all questions should be answerable by , Yes , No , or I dont know . Yes I know it is a lot to ask , but how do you feel about it ?
Quote from: neptune on July 27, 2011, 11:17:45 AM
@K4ZEP. Hi Ben . One thing that is holding back the development of this technology , is the limited time that TT has to answer builders questions . This is understandable no doubt , as the man has a business to run , and his own life to lead . It would seem that one of his problems is finding time to read through the main thread seeking out the questions that need answers . I have a proposal to put to you . I know you have to have a life as well , and if you decline , then that is understandable , and we shall not think any less of you .
What I am suggesting is , that as our "elected representative" , We put all of our questions directly to you . Then when you get to talk to TT , you have a list of say 10 questions to ask . If possible , all questions should be answerable by , Yes , No , or I dont know . Yes I know it is a lot to ask , but how do you feel about it ?
Hi Neptune,
Make up a list of 10 questions. IF I know the answer, shoot, if I don't, I'll ask Thomas. Yes he is a busy man. I'm retired, except for
"Honeydoooos", I'm pretty free most of the time.
Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
One of the questions is: are the sides absolutely necessary, as his pyramid has no bottom as well as only three sides. This is important for me to know, because if the sides are really necessary I will probably not be replicating the "reactor."
Once anyone replicates this project to the same output as his, or better, then we won't need to bother Thomas, with "thoughsands of questions". And then maybe he will be the one asking questions.
I hope that he has the time to read this.
Quote from: NickZ on July 27, 2011, 12:55:57 PM
One of the questions is: are the sides absolutely necessary, as his pyramid has no bottom as well as only three sides. This is important for me to know, because if the sides are really necessary I will probably not be replicating the "reactor."
Once anyone replicates this project to the same output as his, or better, then we won't need to bother Thomas, with "thoughsands of questions". And then maybe he will be the one asking questions.
I hope that he has the time to read this.
Answer to question #1. Are the sides absolutely necessary. Yes Absolutely! It will work better with all 4 sides but as this is just a test vehicle, he uses the three sides so he can work on the interior. Interesting to note, the output is better if it is in a clear area and after it is running, step back a few steps. Output will improve.
Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
OK Ben and thanks for that .I suggest that questions should be posted here and not on the main forum .My questions ;
1 In the original design the brass end plugs are hollow .If we make our own plugs , can the end that fits inside the tube be flat?
2 When we align the pyramid to the North , is it magnetic North or true North .
3 Question from NickZ , are the pyramid sides [gypsum plates ] essential
Could the next person with a question number it "4" and so on , so Ben can easily see what questions to ask .
Quote from: neptune on July 27, 2011, 01:49:12 PM
OK Ben and thanks for that .I suggest that questions should be posted here and not on the main forum .My questions ;
1 In the original design the brass end plugs are hollow .If we make our own plugs , can the end that fits inside the tube be flat?
2 When we align the pyramid to the North , is it magnetic North or true North .
3 Question from NickZ , are the pyramid sides [gypsum plates ] essential
Could the next person with a question number it "4" and so on , so Ben can easily see what questions to ask .
Hi Neptune,
1. I Assume that the plug can be hollow or filled, what Thomas appears to be looking for is the interface between the copper and the brass contact surface area between the plug and the tubes, Why I DO NOT KNOW.
2. Start at Magnetic N, then rotate CW 2-4 degrees East for a negative declination angle which is probably true North in TT's location. When looking into the pyramid, the back of the pyramid is perpenducular to N. Think of the Cap. as a gun and you are pointing it at N. It might vary from location to location, in fact, I'm sure it will. If it didn't, magnetic north would always be right and it isn't. Somewhere in there it should run. I don't know if magnetic North or true North is where you end up or not. This is something that Thomas would need to elaborate on as I have no experience there yet.
3. Question as to if "Gypsum is essential for the plates"?. Yes it is absolutely essential in this version of the device.
Here in the USA, Home Depot has some nice 1/4" gypsum board that is relative light and easy to work with. That
is what I am going to use. Another observation I do not know the answer to is: Is the metal frame mandatory?
I don't know for sure except the pyramid in a working condition appears to build up a large HV electrostatic charge that will
give you a healthy shock. >:( The frame when grounded bleeds this off and prevents shock. The ground connection can be removed while in operation after you have everything working and need to step back!
Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Thank you for the information about the sheet rock sides. If you all want to replicate as close as possible, I would use the thicker sides that are shown in the video. As it seam that if you even breath on it, it may not work. This has made the difference for me, and I will not be replicating this effort. Thank you for your confirmation.
Quote from: NickZ on July 27, 2011, 07:27:34 PM
Thank you for the information about the sheet rock sides. If you all want to replicate as close as possible, I would use the thicker sides that are shown in the video. As it seam that if you even breath on it, it may not work. This has made the difference for me, and I will not be replicating this effort. Thank you for your confirmation.
Hi Nick,
Sorry to loose you. Thomas said thickness is not important, only the material. At only 1 meter/side, 1/4" will be fine. Stay around and any good input you can give would be great. As usual, I made my first "bull" or mistake on finding the center of a pyramid, no problem, wont be my first or my last mistake as long as we all keep it straight togather.
Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Ben:
Thank you for answering. I will no doubt be around, and am still very interested, as I have been watching with expectations for some years now.
In explanation, my pyramid is 6.5 foot base and 51 degree basic pyramid angle, is located over my bed, where it has been for over 28 years now. So, the sides are not possible in my case. I do have others as well, but smaller in size. In any case, I hope the best for you all, as well as Thomas. I am not going anywhere, though, and will continue to follow the thread as well as adding my thoughts from time to time.
As mentioned before I have been dealing with pyramids of all sorts over 35 years now.
@K4ZEP. Ben , many thanks for answering our questions .One thing I love about this thread is that we are polite to each other . Long may it continue , and it gives the right atmosphere for us to work together .
@NickZ . If you have been involved with pyramids for 35 years , I guess you will stick around . Not everyone , has access to unlimited space . I hope it will not be too long before we get a scaling formula . A half metre pyramid would be a lot handier to experiment with for people living in flats /apartments .In theory that would output 2 to 4 watts .
I am in touch with Erdtaucher in Germany . He is looking to source the end caps TT used .In the meantime I am looking for a common brass item that can be modified in my friends lathe .
Thomas`s giant reactor looks interesting .With the size of that thing he will probably try to smuggle it into the King`s Chamber in the Great pyramid of Cheops . Seriously , though , the results from his Fat Boy pyramid may lead to him releasing his scaling formula . I think that once we get a working replication , research on this will really take off . There are so many directions to explore . One thing I thought of . Plasterboard will not stand rain without crumbling . So for long term outdoor work , a shed , or at a minimum a tent will be needed.
Good Morning NickZ, Neptune, all,
I first became acquainted with pyramids in the early 60's when small units were supposed to keep razor blades sharp. "Yah, right!" I said in my youthful know it all attitude and small technical abilities at that time! But we learn as we age. The passion that Thomas over the years has kept him working on this and trying to overcome the attitudes and building hurdles that are part of this process. He is one persistent gentleman.
I believe Thomas does have a basic scaling system that he uses to determine the correct or optimum size of the tubes and number of turns when building the reactor that works for him. When he is sure of the math, by building the "fat boy" reactor (Hummm wasn't "fat boy" the name of the 1st or 2nd nuke bomb built back in the 40's?) I feel he will release it all in due time.
Our common problem is to build a working 1 meter reactor FIRST. After we crawl, we can fly. It's going to get better I think! When we get a working pyramid, exponentially the information and design ideas will fly!
The funny thing is when all the parts are laying around the shop, you can do all this in a day. When you start from scratch in a condo, it takes days and weeks......first to be sure of all the details, then to locate the small parts.......
Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
The two foot size is something I could do. I already have a two foot model, but it is a wood frame, and I don't know if that works or not.
I wonder where Thomas got the idea for the capacitor or reactor.
I don't understand why this is taking as long as it is. The reactor can be made in a day or two. The pyramid in just a few hours. This really in not as complicated as we're making it. It just needs to be followed exactly, as we see it is not going to work otherwise.
This may be like the Bashar Space-Time Antenna, which also captures energy from the air, but nobody can replicate it, and make it work.
The fact is that this pyramid does produce power, but it may also require a certain minimum size to see some results.
I can also make any size pyramid in the back yard. I don't know if you remember the story about Less Brown and the one he built in his yard. The electric force threw him 20 feet across the floor. That was a big 30 foot model. So, obtaining much more power may also be possible.
@ Nickz . You wonder why this is taking so long . The devil is in the details , and I feel that there are a lot of people why do not want to commit scarce resources to a project unless they can give it the very best chance of working . This is especially true of people like me who built an unsuccessful V6 version . At the time there was no mention of nodes and divining . Also , of course , most people on here have day jobs .
One of the biggest unanswered questions we face , is the way the measurements are applied to the pyramid . See main thread . During the pyramid mania of 2006/7 , this was discussed at great length . I am not sure if the old records exist , and at several hundred pages it would be e big job to check . As I recall , the nearest we got to an answer , was that the measurements were those of the inside of the plaster board shell . That was the theory I used to build the V6 . But it did not work and so proves little . If and when I build another , if no further info is available , I will do the same again . The one definite fact we have is that it is based on equilateral triangles with 60 degree angles . Here is another strange thing . Thomas warns us not to be guided by classic theory . However , he draws a diagram showing the energy rising vertically from the ground . As it meets the inner surface of the plaster board , it is then reflected horizontally . Now we know ;according to classic physics , that when radiation is reflected from a surface , the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of reflection . So TT`s diagram is only true if the sides of the pyramid are at an angle of 45 degrees to the horizontal . But they are not . They are at 60 degrees . Therefore the radiation would reflect with an upward slope of 30 degrees above the horizontal . I am not trying to prove anything here ,just sort of thinking aloud .If we look at this from a classic point of view , only a small percentage of the ground radiation would be directed onto the reactor . The ideal theoretical set up would be a reactor as tall as the inside cavity , and a cone shape instead of a pyramid .So whatever we are dealing with here , it does not behave as we might expect .
There may more than just the classic interpretation of how or why there is energy being emitted from or by a pyramid structure. I have my theories as well, but, I also respect the fact that Thomas has obtained results that no one else has gotten up to now. I don't think that it really matters as long as it works. That is what is important now.
I do see some similarity in this method of extracting juice from space, and some of Tesla patents dealing with the subject, which has been further updated to include such things as PRECHARGING the capacitor, or in this case "reactor" by using high voltage. Funny because I see also a similar effect just on the cement cell that I had shown before, where if I just touch a 9 volt battery to it (dead, with 2v) it will polarize or stimulate the cell to produce more light than it was giving before, both in light intensity, as well as in duration time.
A lot more, than just the 10 second tap from a dead 2v source may have given to the cell. There is something there, and I think something similar may be happening here. And may be the reason that nobody has gotten the same results as Thomas.
I do think that the investment costs are high in comparison to the output produced by the one meter pyramid. For an equal cost (and much less time) one can buy ready made 12 v, 15 watt solar panel and battery set-up that will work, for anyone, that only takes 1/10 the space. So, this idea is still not too cost effective, yet.
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Liebe Community, da ich momentan beruflich einen grösseren Auftrag abzuarbeiten habe,bin ich erst wieder gegen Ende des Wochenendes wieder wie gewohnt hier imForum anzutreffen.
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I am in great Stress to serve a greater Order in my Company. I will be back approx. Sunday evening.
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... recently, I did some recherche on leylines and earth radiation.
I found lots of references of people claiming that groundwater moderates neutron radiation from the partly radioactive earth core.
Under normal circumstances that fast accelerated neutrons/ radiation should rise very fast without ionization. If the radiation passes certain materials, like water for example, some moderation takes place and the chance for an early decay and the emission of ionizing radiation increases.
Well, googling for "neutron detectors", especially "selfpowered neutron detectors" - I found lots of things similar to TTs reactor. (without a pyramide of course).
copper tubes can be used as waveguides for ultracold neutron radiation.
If well polished - they can operate as perfect mirror.
This would be a reason why copper reductions top/bottom don´t work.
There are coaxial copper tubes, partly filled with quartz and sometimes with added water...
Other detectors have an inner coil - where the length, diameter, material of that inner wire has to be tuned for the the wavelength of that emission.
The output of such detectors is _DC_.
Other detector used doped Gypsum (Caso4) as detector
... just for reference.
For those who are still worried about the absolute dimensions of the pyramid . Go to the main thread , page 6 and find reply number 81 by Duff . Quoted in this reply is the original specification by TT . One very relevant fact is this . He says that if you measure from the top of the pyramid , down one of the diagonals to the Floor , it must be exactly 1 metre . If you used a rigid ruler to measure this , you would find that there would be a triangular gap between the ruler and the pyramid base frame at the bottom , because the base frame has vertical sides , 2 cms tall . Likewise , when you fit the plasterboard , there will be a triangular cavity between the board and the base frame . From all this I conclude that the 1 metre dimensions are the dimensions of the inside of the plasterboard shell . But if you measured the square made on the floor by the plasterboard lower edges , it would be slightly more than 1 metre square . I hope this makes sense .
Quote from: fritz on July 28, 2011, 02:26:12 PM
... recently, I did some recherche on leylines and earth radiation.
I found lots of references of people claiming that groundwater moderates neutron radiation from the partly radioactive earth core.
Under normal circumstances that fast accelerated neutrons/ radiation should rise very fast without ionization. If the radiation passes certain materials, like water for example, some moderation takes place and the chance for an early decay and the emission of ionizing radiation increases.
Well, googling for "neutron detectors", especially "selfpowered neutron detectors" - I found lots of things similar to TTs reactor. (without a pyramide of course).
copper tubes can be used as waveguides for ultracold neutron radiation.
If well polished - they can operate as perfect mirror.
This would be a reason why copper reductions top/bottom don´t work.
There are coaxial copper tubes, partly filled with quartz and sometimes with added water...
Other detectors have an inner coil - where the length, diameter, material of that inner wire has to be tuned for the the wavelength of that emission.
The output of such detectors is _DC_.
Other detector used doped Gypsum (Caso4) as detector
... just for reference.
Good morning Fritz,
Searched as you mentioned, also searched and looked at articles on Piezoelectricity and poling of material, my oh my there is some interesting material out there. A lifetime of research can result if/when I get this Pyramid running!!!!! Some very good clues as to how it works and where the energy is coming from. But not theories now, just make the device work!!!!!
Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
So, a detector is taking in one type of radiation, and converting it to DC current. What is the point of the conversion? And how might that be similar to what the pyramid does, or what we are doing here.
Radiant Energy is radiated, or is a type radiation, as it is radiated from its source. Could that be what is being picked up by the pyramid? Is there any correlation or not?
Also, if this type of radiation can be converted through a process to produce DC current, even without the use of the pyramid, the pyramid may not be even be needed, if this were true.
@ Neptune
Maybe.
But without knowing the subtleties of the English language, I understand something else.
1- « Now you keep the square-tubes (2pc. with 1000mm) and give them to 2 opposite sides of the plate.
Cut 2 pc. of square-tubes to 960mm and give them to the plate to create a square.â€
Ok, the base is a square, with 1 meter on the outside of the tubes ==> on my plan: 1 meter = b
2 - You say:
« One very relevant fact is this . He says that if you measure from the top of the pyramid , down one of the diagonals to the Floor , it must be exactly 1 metre . If you used a rigid ruler to measure this , you would find that there would be a triangular gap between the ruler and the pyramid base frame at the bottom , because the base frame has vertical sides , 2 cms tall . Likewise , when you fit the plasterboard , there will be a triangular cavity between the board and the base frame . From all this I conclude that the 1 metre dimensions are the dimensions of the inside of the plasterboard shell . But if you measured the square made on the floor by the plasterboard lower edges , it would be slightly more than 1 metre square . I hope this makes sense .â€
The problem is that TT speaks (on videos) of an equilateral triangle.
What makes sense to me, as you Neptune, is to consider the inside of the plaster.
==> on my plan: 1 meter = c + d
But Thomas said something else:
« Mark exatly 1000mm from the bottom of our Metalsquare (in the corners) to the 3/8" Tube and mark it from each Corner….
If you measure from the absolutely Bottom of the 20/20 ground-structure (without wood-plate) to the TOP, you have to measure exactly 100 cm. (on the Corners).â€
So from the top corner of the square base to the apex.
==> on my plan: 1 meter = c
…And it is no longer an equilateral triangle ... ???
But Duff also wrote:
“Thomas states: "we have to give away the 20mm of the groundframe". NOT CORRECT. The diagonal that runs out of that corner is 25mm wide (on edge) AND in order to make the weld on the bottom of the tubing you certainly have to give youself some space to work
I ask Thomas no less than 4 time for pictures of that joint and his final response to me was if I didn't know how to do it I should look at what others were doing. Well it had nothing to do with not knowing how to do it but rather his instruction made no sense.†::)
My conmputer is broken and will take some days to fix . I think that when TT says equilateral trriangle he is not being exact .I will return as soon as I can .
Quote from: NickZ on July 29, 2011, 10:35:56 AM
So, a detector is taking in one type of radiation, and converting it to DC current. What is the point of the conversion? And how might that be similar to what the pyramid does, or what we are doing here.
Radiant Energy is radiated, or is a type radiation, as it is radiated from its source. Could that be what is being picked up by the pyramid? Is there any correlation or not?
Also, if this type of radiation can be converted through a process to produce DC current, even without the use of the pyramid, the pyramid may not be even be needed, if this were true.
I somehow assume that we see a combined process.
The quartz sand may act as piezo/charge pump - but gets stimulated by the moderated/passing by neutrons causing micro-gravitational effects.
So I would assume that the thing produces somewhat pulsed DC.
The pyramid itself may also cause those same effects, that add to the reactor, to produce more energy than what it takes to activate it. Like a magnifying lens focuses light and makes it strong enough to burn.
Anyone actually tried to replicate TT's work yet?
Mostly I see people trying to explain it away.
To explain it away? No. To figure it out, Yes.
Isn't it better to wait and work with a dependable proven and replicable plan in mind? This thread is for those that are not directly and exclusively building the pyramid model, and are into tossing some ideas around as to its working concept, while it is further being proven and replicated at the sister thread.
To replicate something from a set of plans or instructions can be deceptively difficult .It is quite different to building from a kit , where you have all the exact parts .When you have to obtain the parts separately , you always come up against the situation , where an exact part is unobtainable , and you have to use substitutes . The problem then is that if the thing does not work , you are unsure which substitute part is the problem . The problem is worse if the device originates from a country other than your own .Whilst progress is slow at present , if a successful replication occurs , things will go ballistic . In the meantime ,it does no harm to have background discussion and to ask questions , even if no answers are available at present .
Some time ago , I speculated that according to classic wisdom , this shape of the pyramid is not ideal for concentrating vertical energy rays from the ground onto the reactor . I did a scale drawing , and it would appear that in a 1 metre pyramid , only about 5% of these vertical energy rays would strike the reactor . What is my conclusion ? Only that these rays are either not vertical , or they do not travel in straight lines , Or that the pyramid shape could be improved. Time will tell .
Thomas says that he discovered pyramid energy by mistake . He built a small pyramid as an art project . He had some aluminium foil inside , which over time , was destroyed .This in itself would be worthy of replication . But more info would be needed . Size and material of pyramid . Its orientation .Did it sit on a node ? It would be some coincidence if it just happened to be aligned with the compass , and also sitting on a node . And for want of easier-to-work-with materials he just happened to find some old plasterboard in a skip/dumpster . And what does he mean by the aluminium foil being destroyed ? It just vanished , or oxidised , of evaporated or what ? It is the nature of scientific people to ask questions . And in the absence of good answers we can only speculate . But it helps to pass the time . Typing this at the public library as my computer is still down .
Thanks for the reply, neptune.
I'm not trying to say it's bad to think about it, but when it seems we don't even understand the basics of WHY it works, it's seems a giant leap to begin speculating at all manner of what-ifs. I suspect there's more to his story than he's letting on (i.e., something after his initial discovery of pyramid energies.) It's quite a huge leap from there to what he has working (a bit like saying an eyeball evolved by itself.) I'm grateful he's sharing what he is. Did he ever say why he came back on the scene now after the 2006 shutdown of his website and the interest by other funders, etc?
@tjlitke .The limited info that we have about TT`s "comeback" is given on his instructional videos . I think that he discovered that it is difficult if not impossible to get rich from something like this [unless you are a lawyer] .I think that he figures that by giving away his basic technology , he hopes others will progress his research and everyone will benefit .He openly admits that he knows more than he is saying ,and ultimately , who can blame him ? The breakthrough will probably come when Ben [K4ZEP] and Freigheist on the german forums receive their ready made reactors from TT . In view of my limited resources I have elected not to build untill I see independent replication . In the meantime , speculation is cheap and entertaining .
One problem I have always had with TT`s work , is that previously ,I had decided that dowsing was Bullshine . I decided to suspend my disbelief whilst waiting to see if anyone could replicate the pyramid .The whole picture is very confusing , in that there have been many investigations into dowsing , with widely differing results . I am now doing some research into these tests . Pascuser has pointed out that there are dowsers in France who are paid by results , and have not yet starved to death . K4Zep is a big believer , and a dowser himself .One of the best articles was the work of the Society for Psychical Research in the UK . Apparently , some dowsers have shown the ability to successfully detect magnetic fields . Also people who are dowsers have a lower skin resistance than average . Apparently washing the hands before dowsing can improve sensitivity . In that case , it might pay to wash in salt water , and allow them to air dry .Dowsers are non existant in this part of England , as the land is reclaimed from the sea , and you could drill a successful well anywhere . I will do further research .
There has been continuing discussion of frame measurements / dimensions.
Here is a post, from Nov 2007 (don't know exact day) to the private forum, that should clear up the frame dimensions.
Thomas replies to the question and approves the drawing.
@ Duff . Thanks for the above diagram .Unfortunately it still leaves room for doubt . Look at the diagonal line that joins the apex to the baseboard . This represents a square tube . So does it represent the upper surface of the tube , or the lower surface . Judging from the point where the round tube is to be cut , I would say it represents the upper surface . OK so now we have another problem .We know the baseboard is 1` metre square . Therefore the square base frame made of four square tubes must be LESS THAN one metre square , especially if the plasterboards are , as stated , equilateral triangles . My personal guess is that they are not . In other words , the base frame is one metre square , The square tubes that form the diagonals are 1 metre less 20mm , [Thomas talks about "giving away" 20mm here ] and the panels are not true equilateral triangle . Note that back in 2007 , he did not actually measure the panels . He made the frame first , and drew round it onto the plasterboard . .
Edit . The diagram is correct and makes sense ONLY if that diagonal line is the LOWER surface of the square tube diagonal member . and the red tube is cut a bit higher up than shown . Your comments please .
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Quote from: neptune on August 08, 2011, 02:32:26 PM
@ Duff . Thanks for the above diagram .Unfortunately it still leaves room for doubt . Look at the diagonal line that joins the apex to the baseboard . This represents a square tube . So does it represent the upper surface of the tube , or the lower surface . Judging from the point where the round tube is to be cut , I would say it represents the upper surface .
Yes, I agree.
QuoteOK so now we have another problem . We know the baseboard is 1` metre square . Therefore the square base frame made of four square tubes must be LESS THAN one metre square , especially if the plasterboards are , as stated , equilateral triangles . My personal guess is that they are not . In other words , the base frame is one metre square , The square tubes that form the diagonals are 1 metre less 20mm , [Thomas talks about "giving away" 20mm here ] and the panels are not true equilateral triangle . Note that back in 2007 , he did not actually measure the panels . He made the frame first , and drew round it onto the plasterboard . .
Edit . The diagram is correct and makes sense ONLY if that diagonal line is the LOWER surface of the square tube diagonal member . and the red tube is cut a bit higher up than shown . Your comments please .
The square base is made of two 20mm x 20mm x 1000mm tubes PLUS two 20mm x 20mm x 980mm tubes.
The measurements form the apex (center of vertical pipe) to the bottom outside corner of the square base is 1000mm.
It is, at times, difficult following what Thomas is saying and I struggled with these dimensions and measurement points for a long time, just following the "Language" Thomas used.
Finally I had to let the above drawing have the final word. But if you remember there was even questions as to whether Thomas examined the drawing close enough.
Well, the above is just my opinion. I guess we will see as we go along...
Hi Duff and thanks for your comments . Just to affirm what I am saying . Look at the diagonal line . Notice that.it "passes through" the metal of the base frame .In my opinion it can only represent the lower surface of the diagonal frame member . On TTs video he says that it does not matter if the frame is not correct to the millimetre . We can only build as we think best in the end . To me , it seems a shame that Thomas seems to want others to help with his research , and yet he can not spare two minutes with a tape measure to verify his dimensions .
Quote from: neptune on August 10, 2011, 08:20:32 AM
Hi Duff and thanks for your comments . Just to affirm what I am saying . Look at the diagonal line . Notice that.it "passes through" the metal of the base frame .In my opinion it can only represent the lower surface of the diagonal frame member . On TTs video he says that it does not matter if the frame is not correct to the millimetre . We can only build as we think best in the end . To me , it seems a shame that Thomas seems to want others to help with his research , and yet he can not spare two minutes with a tape measure to verify his dimensions .
Yes Neptune - I agree.
That's one reason I drew this in Google Sketchup, so I could actually come up with the length of the diagonal and angle while maintaining the 1000 mm from bottom corner to apex.
It is very frustrating trying to get verification on something so simple.
There are many others like me who are waiting for replication before commiting resources to building . In the meantime we need all the information we can get . There is a lot of info on the German Forum that has not been published here . It is of course all in theGerman Language , but there is a Google translation facility which allows you to get most of what it is about . Go to WWW.overunity.de I do not know how to create a link so you will have to type it .Go to the home page and there are two or three threads on this subject .
I was going to say the same. There's a guy on overunity.de called earth diver who apparently has half a dozen (!) rectors working simultaneously. He says he is waiting a few days before posting his results. Apparently the German builders are concerned with RF radiation being picked up by the Pyramid and are taking precautions. They call this "electrosmog" which is a great name. If any reader is fluent in German, could you please translate Earth Diver's posts. He talks about a reactor variation which comprises a crystal wrapped in a coil and then surrounded by lead. So if you know a fluent German speaker -or can translate it yourself -your post would be very welcome. I have conducted and still am conducting experiments and am pretty certain how this thing works, but I need all the evidence I can get before posting the results.
Here is some data that might be of interest.
Thomas Trawoeger location on Google Map
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=48.020497,13.178184&spn=0.000619,0.00111&t=h&z=20 (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=48.020497,13.178184&spn=0.000619,0.00111&t=h&z=20)
48.020497 13.178184
48° 1' 13.7886" North Latitude
13° 10' 41.4618" East Longitude
First image: magnetic field values at his location.
Second image: magnetic anomaly map.
Thomas lives in the light blue area above Salzburg
This corresponds to a -43nT on the Total Intensity Anomal Scale
I have noticed something a bit strange about the pyramid condenser or capacitor . It consists of two coils of wire wound on the same former . In the past it was common in amateur radio to create small value caps , say up to 20 Pf , by twisting two insulated wires together , so that capacitance existed between them . Now suppose that you wanted to decrease the capacitance . You had two options . you could untwist them a bit, which means the average distance separating them increased .Or you could cut a bit off the length of Both wires .Nobody suggested shortening just one of the wires , although that would work , and it would not matter which wire you shortened . So this suggests we are not dealing with a normal cap . But then , TT warns us not to get too hung up on conventional physics .
Hi Folks
As i pronounced in the Forum, i had some great Stress in the last days, but now i am back again to give answers to all the open questions. (if they are answerable..)
But first, give me the chance to clear some basic rules.
@neptune: I get more than 20 Mails a day with questions around V12 and in the last 12 days, there are so many questions in the german and english forums to answer.... I will need more than a few days to sort, answer and understand that all.....
I think, more than 99% of all the open Questions are still answered by myself weeks and month ago.
The major problem is to find them all in the huge amount of text (produced by some other members)
And Yes, I am here in this forum to receive help for my further investigation of this phänomenom... ( But did you ever saw some help till now?)
In reality, there are only 2 Guys out there with helpful feedback and they are only in the german board....
When i read the discussion about the dimensions of my pyramid, i get some depressions. Where is the problem to weld a simple Pyramide with exact 1000mm on every side??? (Over all size - included the size of the Metal tubes!!)
What the hell is unclear ?
It was written more than 20 times, that the frame needs a total size of 1000mm on every side. (excluded the gypsum plates)
In the last weeks, i felt sometimes like a "Nanny" and i saw some guys working on something absolute different than i told them.
It could not be that complicate to make the steps "Just i described, without any own Artwork".
It should be understandable, that can´t give any hints and tips to Constructions, i never made before myelf.
Now i built pyramids since very much years, and most of them didn´t work without any idea why...
And now i see some guys making the same mistakes as i did years before... I can´t describe it, but sometimes it is good to make mistakes to find the right way. And maybe a mistake would open new ways to find new solutions.
Thats why i dont want to stop wrong ways. Wrong ways, but good results will help me understanding new ideas.
THATS MY HARVEST FOR GIVING YOU INFORMATIONS, and that´s my deal with this Forum.
Maybe this forum is not the best way to look foreward in investigation. Maybe we would need some moderated Database to get all informations concetrated.
The best way to do this, have to be found by every user itself.
ng, Thomas
Thomas Trawoeger
Heureux que votre grand stress soit maintenant derrière vous.
Il faut quand même que vous compreniez que si tant de gens s’interrogent sur les dimensions de votre pyramide, c’est justement car ce n’était pas clair du tout.
Et quand vous voyez des gens, voulant aider à votre projet, s’interroger sur ces dimensions, la moindre des choses aurait été de faire une phrase simple, ou un schéma compréhensible par tous.
Le problème, c’est que je vous attendais sur le forum dimanche dernier, et là c’est trop tard, la pyramide est construite suivant une erreur…
Voyez vous maintenant notre temps perdu ? Pour rien…
-Au départ, vous aviez dit, que les triangles était équilatéraux.
-Mais pour la construction, vous aviez dit que les tubes d’1 m en diagonales, venait reposer sur le tube rond de 9,5mm, donc ce n’était plus vraiment équilatéral…
Je me suis engagé à faire une structure pyramidale d’1 m pour aider mon ami Pascuser qui passe la prendre aujourd’hui.
Je l’ai faite suivants les mesures précises de Pascuser, suite à l’étude de tous les documents.
Et pourtant, avec son soucis de répliquer exactement votre pyramide, cet homme intelligent a pourtant compris que la diagonale faisait un mètre jusqu’au bord du tube rond de l’apex….
Voyez-vous notre problème ? Tout ce temps à tenter de faire bien, sur de mauvaises précisions.
C’est vexant.
Les gens font selon ce qu’ils comprennent. S’ils interprètent et font des choses différentes, c’est effectivement car vos explications ne sont pas claires (ou plutôt, elles diffèrent avec les documents et vidéos successifs).
@Thomas . It is good to hear from you again . Hopefully your period of stress is behind you , and you now have a bit more time for yourself . And yes I understand that your "Harvest" will be the information that you will receive from members . I am sure you will get this feedback , but these things always take longer than we expect . People have jobs , and it can take time to find the right parts . or have someone make them . The Great Pyramids of Egypt were not built in a day , but we hope our pyramids will not take as long as the Egyptian ones . So let us all keep calm and work together , and we will achieve great things . Regarding the Pyramid dimensions . From what you said in your last post , this is in other words saying that the 1000 mm dimensions are those of the inside of the plasterboard shell , as I have said many times before .
Good Morning/Afternoon all,
Thomas, good to see you back. In an earlier post, it is said that I am a believer and a dowser. A dowser I am because it works, a believer I will be when my Pyramid works. I have high expectations that it will. The parts from you haven't arrived yet but I have parts to build three reactors now and will proceed on with them, trying to make the INCH size reactor to work. I apologize that I can not build a pyramid as you have shown with the steel frame. I hope my fold-able system (with embeded steel tape) works as it is the only way I can get it in and out of my Condo. I should have a total finished Pyramid, reactor, Cap., etc in 2-3 more days. I wish you success in your new larger pyramid! The picture you posted of the LARGE reactor is a beauty! Now as I get closer to the finish, I must again watch all the videos to make sure I have missed nothing.
Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
Hi all,
I did the following experiment:
neodymium magnet placed in my sand.
What was my surprise when I found out that it has inclusions of iron. ???
Asking myself whether these inclusions are not responsible for the "orientation" of quartz "domains"
formation in high voltage high frequency?
@ Thomas
Please, if you are able to checked what your sand iron has?
I have done your instructions /brass caps placed, a small fan, put the pyramid on earth/ , but my pyramid still not produces. :'(
regards madsatbg
@madsatbg: I made some test with most of my Sands. I can´t find any little piece of metal in all my sands!!!!
(tested with neodynum-magnet, stirring in my sands and visual check after stirring)
@neptune: Well the 1000mm are of course without the gypsum plate.!
I told the community, it is not possible to mount a gypsum plate as floor-plate in the Pyramide. There is no output.
I told the community, if you close all 4 sides of the pyramide with gypsum plate, there is a little Increase of Power, but not more than 5-7%. So it is not reallly necessary to close all sides!
ng, Tom
@gegyx: Tous parlons anglais ici. C'est pourquoi, je peux aussi répondre les seulement anglais font une passe.
Je parle allemand, anglais, italien et français, mais ici nous devons parler anglais.
Questions en français s'il vous plaît à le mien mailadresse.
Sa Va, Thomas
Quote from: Trawoeger on August 14, 2011, 11:19:53 AM
@madsatbg: I made some test with most of my Sands. I can´t find any little piece of metal in all my sands!!!!
(tested with neodynum-magnet, stirring in my sands and visual check after stirring)
ng, Tom
Thanks Tomas.
Continue our search...
Quote from: madsatbg on August 14, 2011, 11:29:53 AM
Thanks Tomas.
Continue our search...
Hi Madsatbg,
Don't know if my quartz sand works or not yet but just checked it and there is no magnetic material in it.
Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
The sand I collected from a local beach contains about 1 to 5% magnetic material . It is black in colour , and is weakly attracted to a ceramic magnet . I have an idea which I will test tomorrow . Thomas says that when filling the reactor with sands , The sand will "fly about" due to the high voltage or high frequency .My plan is to test if my sand reacts to high voltage static electricity . If you get a length of 40 mm plastic tube of the type used in the reactor , you can charge it to a high voltage by rubbing it hard with a cloth . You may need to try different types of cloth . You will know when it is working , because you can draw 2 cm sparks from the tube with your finger which you will see and hear . Charge the tube and apply it to some sand , and see if it attracts it . This may even be a way to separate the good sand from the bad . I do not know that sand which is attracted to the tube will be good for a reactor , but it is something to try .
To those of you who may still be a little worried about pyramid angles and dimensions .Go to Youtube . Enter the following in the search box . Pyramid Magnet-free energy-english subtitle . Irrespective of the user name , the guy in the video is unmistakeably Thomas . In this video , he talks about the early V6 version .The date of posting is jun 2009 . Ignore any reference to the magnet , which he has subsequently said was a " security device " which operated a reed switch inside the reactor . Early on in this video he says and I quote .YOU SEE A PYRAMID MANUFACTURED OF METAL . THE ANGLE AND DIMENSION OF THE PYRAMID SEEMS TO PLAY NO BIG ROLE . So things may not be quite as critical as we had supposed . Another strange thing . He stops the fan by removing the magnet [thus opening the switch] When he replaces the magnet , the fan restarts . We are warned not to disconnect the fan in the v12 version . However , the v5 reactor was very different , and used a different sand conditioning method .
Quote from: neptune on August 16, 2011, 02:59:21 PM
To those of you who may still be a little worried about pyramid angles and dimensions .Go to Youtube . Enter the following in the search box . Pyramid Magnet-free energy-english subtitle . Irrespective of the user name , the guy in the video is unmistakeably Thomas . In this video , he talks about the early V6 version .The date of posting is jun 2009 . Ignore any reference to the magnet , which he has subsequently said was a " security device " which operated a reed switch inside the reactor . Early on in this video he says and I quote .YOU SEE A PYRAMID MANUFACTURED OF METAL . THE ANGLE AND DIMENSION OF THE PYRAMID SEEMS TO PLAY NO BIG ROLE . So things may not be quite as critical as we had supposed . Another strange thing . He stops the fan by removing the magnet [thus opening the switch] When he replaces the magnet , the fan restarts . We are warned not to disconnect the fan in the v12 version . However , the v5 reactor was very different , and used a different sand conditioning method .
Hi Ken,
Is there any place I can go to see other versions of his reactors/etc.?
I would like to have a better overall view of the history of his work as
much can be learned from the past.
Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP{
A strange thing I have learned about gypsum is that it is radioactive ! There are two types of gypsum , the naturally occurring type , and Phospho gypsum which is a by product of the fertiliser industry . Both types are , apparently radioactive , but the natural type is less so .I wonder if radioactivity plays some part in the working of the pyramid .It would be interesting to see what would happen if the amount of radioactivity inside the pyramid was increased , whilst not exceeding safe levels . One idea is to put a smoke alarm inside !
On the German forum , Erdtaucher has been doing some interesting experiments . It is sometimes hard to understand all the details using auto translate ,but he seems to be saying that sometimes after filling and activating a reactor , it takes two to four days to show an output voltage .This is well worth noting . Another theory I had was that it might be possible to activate the reactor by connecting an AC or DC voltage at a lower , safer , level , whilst subjecting the reactor to vibration during filling .Just a theory .
At least two members with complete pyramids have said that they can get the fan to run for a couple of seconds . For this to be meaningful , we need to know how this time period compares to a timed run-down test with the fan disconnected .
Hello all. I am new to this site but not to "energy". I have been looking to this concept for some time. I have the access needed to materials, and machinery to go forth so to speak. I have seen several interesting devices over the last several years (and have tested a few) and this "concept" is the only one that I can find that has a long history of the possibly being factual.
http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/EarthNodes.htm (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/EarthNodes.htm)
Here is how to locate the earth grid nodes, using a meter. The positive charged nodes, with negative all around them, will give a grid pattern of 16 and 32 foot centers, running east to west. They are the same points, that dowsers can feel, only the grids are sometimes bent by the presence of trees and such.
Copper of 13.5 cm length will make the hand go numb when held over these earth nodes, as it vibrates up.
http://www.resonantfractals.org/Levitation/QSR.htm (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Levitation/QSR.htm)
Here was my first attempt to see what this is all about.
I noted, with only the first inner coil, and the copper reactor, an overunity bump effect of DC charge, after pulsing between the coil and outer can quickly with an ohmeter. I believe I am seeing a conversion of a fast transition AC pulse to a long trailing DC potiential between the inner coil and the copper. Hard to believe!
The quartz sand poured in slowly with the CB transmitter on, is meeting a standing EM wave, and all sand tends to align into a coherent field, where vibration is converted into DC charge.
Now at the center of the pyramid line, the vibration running down the center tube, is a higher frequency then the outer tube, the sand in between recieves a torsion field gradient similiar to a Joe Cell. High frequency to the center, low frequency to the outside.
At this point it would seem the basics are all there. I have no intention of building a large pyramid, and have no room for such.
Dave L
CAN ANYBODY HELP ME ON APPLYING HIGH VOLTAGE ON REACTOR? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS
(1) SHOULD WE APPLY BOTH HIGH VOLTAGE AND HIGH FREQUENCY? OR ONE OF THEM?
(2) CAN ANYBODY SHOW ME THE DIAGRAM OF CONNECTING SWR AND OTHER EQUIPMENTS WITH THE COIL?
(3) ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES EXISTS FOR APPLYING THIS VOLTAGE? INSTEAD OF SWR?
Sorry to have to tell you but Trawoeger is a con. Lots of people followed him in the Summer; he made lots of promises and then disappeared. If you look back at the posts you'll get the picture. The most honest guys right now are the Kapanadze team on this forum - at least they are still here fighting for overunity.
AT LEAST WHO HAS MADE THE REACTOR SUCCESSFULLY.........MAY BE HERE.......PLEASE HELP ME ON MY ISSUE...
IF SOMEBODY KNOW THE CIRCUIT OF APPLYING THE HIGH VOLTAGE TO THE REACTOR ..........PLEASE HELP ME.....
Hello. I am new on this forum.
I read all posts about TT pyramid and it's development.
I have some ideas to present about this project.
Warning. my english is not perfect.
Now. I cant believe that trawoger cheated you all. it's simply has no sense.
He lost few years in his project, creating long video and answering many questions, he invested to much to be a simple joke.
Thats my opinion.
Now to the project.
After some considering i think that TT setup simply must work.
Here is why.
quartz has piezo characteristics. That means that if you exert pressure on quartz you get electrical charge. Now the key component here is that if you apply some charge to the crystal it exert physical movement (vibration). that is fact.
See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity)
Now what happens here in tt pyramid.
some principles about charging sand --- (it's not charging but polarising.)
Quartz crystal will exert el. charge on outside force but only on very definite angle of pressure. That means that crystal will produce charge only when pressed on specific spot.
So if you want your pyramid to work you need to align all your sand particles. There where comes high voltage while inserting sand into reactor.
It does not matter power but strong el. field eg. high voltage. Many of you said that high voltage broke insulation on wires inside reactor but that's because you used too high power and that caused burns.
What if i told you that high voltage actualy needs to go trough wire insulation into the crystal sand.
Low power high voltage will not brake or melt nothing in reactor. it will radiate el. spikes into the reactor, (of coarse you need to ground inner reactor pipe so that high voltage electrical field want to go trough sand) witch lead us to the next question.
Why?
Well as you read from that article from wiki crystal react by vibrations on high voltage.
So when you sip sand into reactor while HV is on it actualy align quartz sand particles. it turns and vibrates that particle and position it so that it react on el. field after aligning is done.
In that way every particle sand is aligned so it is ready to react to any outside el. charge or voltage. By my opinion you get cascade reaction in reactor when you rotate that computer fan.
One particle recieves charge from outside and reacts by vibration witch triggers another particle and creates charge and so on.
And if all is synced by that capacitor you get resonance and then you produce much more output than input by that computer fan. it almost looks like chain reaction in atomic bomb
All this implies next conclusions.
Sand must not be damaged. (it's much difficult to align sand if sand was made by grinding bigger sand particles. Then you have rough edges and holes and cracks in particles which impale normal piezo effect in sand.) use only sand marbles which can be found on any beach. Other words use sand that is sift not grinded.
Sand must be dosed into reactor very slowly to ensure all particles align themself in time.
Sand must be dry so particle can rotate more easily. (but you already know that :) )
have idea about one item that is very easily obtainable but not that dangerous and by mine opinion can align your sand with ease. PLASMA BALL. http://www.ebay.com/itm/PLASMA-LIGHTNING-4-BALL-party-light-dj-electric-lamp-/221080835513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337971d5b9
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/PLASMA-LIGHTNING-4-BALL-party-light-dj-electric-lamp-/221080835513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337971d5b9)
They have high voltage high frequency power supply which can do the job.
If you think that that is to weak you can always combine two or more plasma balls to get more power.
To correctly use plasma ball you need to remove glass bowl there you will find wire that emits HV. beware of high voltage it cant kill you but can cause burns.
that's all for now.
I have ideas why this setup must work but you can figure it out by just looking at the circuit and be aware of piezo effect.
I wasted much more money than I could afford on this project. It does not work. This guy is sick in the head. Instead, work on something that will give results. Try the Hydro Differential Pressure OU device. No witchcraft no flim flam, no magic water devining, just pure physics.
Quote from: neptune on July 30, 2012, 03:26:23 PM
I wasted much more money than I could afford on this project. It does not work. This guy is sick in the head. Instead, work on something that will give results. Try the Hydro Differential Pressure OU device. No witchcraft no flim flam, no magic water devining, just pure physics.
Yea that Hydro Differential Pressure project is very good i read alot about that. is there some kind smaller device and simplier design so it can be made just for profing.
hey i dont have any money barly paying my basic bills. But i have strong will and very optimistic mind and that helps much.
Have found some sponsors that are willing to risk their money on pyramid project and why not i get all the fun.
As i see this must work. its very similar to bendini system where u have pulses that activate magnetic field here you activate piezo effect in crystals that in return give back more.
Now i dont go into positioning of pyramid because i think thats hogwash. i think that this setup dont need to be in pyramid at all but who knows.
I made one pyramid out of drinking straws few weeks ago. Covered it with aluminium foil and get half volt out of nowhere.
i have video of that i will upload it later.
one terminal on alu foil and another terminal put at tip of finger and that tip of finger touch alu foil on another side and there is half volt 2 microA.
Tried mesuring on diferent locations but it stays constant. from 480 to 700 milivolts
Please try this experiment its very simple to make.
Tarcius:
There's a type of con called an "investment scam"
This is where an individual makes an OU claim and starts to get a following.
After this he approaches various venture capital companies who arrange funding.
This obviously involves a nice big salary and investment in equipment and expertise.
Trawoeger made various promises to replicators promising to send special materials.
Nothing happened. Then he started to cease contributing to the forum which he started.
Draw your own conclusions.
However if you have some good ideas then why not start your own thread.
If you have backers, then all the more reason. There is a lot of global interest in pyramid power.
I have got just as much power as you by simply placing two probes into the earth.
Nothing to do with pyramid power. Just an earth battery.
I also got the same power using a small aerial. Turned out to be mostly induction from the mains.
Anyway, good luck.
Hey a.king21. Thanks on explanation it is troubling what you say. It's shame that this kind of people exist.
you are right i will make my experiments and if something shows up i will open new thread. Thanks on heads up
As promised here is video on i made few weeks ago.
Voltage is present all the time. tried it at home and at work result is the same. Also tried different voltmeter.
Strange thing about this is that you get same result whenever you put red electrode on body it only matters that you touch pyramid nothing else.
Current is about 2 microA but that varies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TduiksJ0xo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TduiksJ0xo)
As I said before, Trawoeger is guilty of wasting the time money and materials of researchers worldwide, for motives we can only guess at. Whilst I am interested in your experiments, I think what you have built is a crystal set. [The simplest form of radio receiver].What are you hoping to achieve? If it is freedom from the grid, build your own cheap solar.
Pure research? look at the model on Hydro differential pressure OU system. Or look at the works of Jean L Naudin.
Quote from: tarcius on August 01, 2012, 08:37:07 AM
As promised here is video on i made few weeks ago.
Voltage is present all the time. tried it at home and at work result is the same. Also tried different voltmeter.
Strange thing about this is that you get same result whenever you put red electrode on body it only matters that you touch pyramid nothing else.
Current is about 2 microA but that varies.
Hi tarcius. There is lots of electromagnetic radiation all around us coming from the mains
lines as well as any electric or electronic equipment that may be plugged in, and all the
radio and TV broadcasts and cell phone communications etc. that goes on around us.
Because of this, it is not uncommon for a voltmeter to give voltage readings in the
millivolt range even when nothing is touching the probes. If you touch to your body or metal
objects it would not be surprising to get a reading in the 500 mV range.
To compare to your ~500 mV readings, I took a big sheet of aluminum foil and did some
voltage readings with the aluminum foil sheet placed on my desk close to my computer,
similar to how you did your voltage measurements in you video, and I was reading
around 480mV to 525 mV, but the voltage readings varied by a few hundred millivolts if
I moved the aluminum sheet around to other areas. This is most likely just due to the electromagnetic
field produced by the computer inducing a small voltage in your body and in the aluminum foil.
This sort of voltage that is induced by electromagnetic fields coming from the mains and electric
equipment etc. should not have any power associated with it (can only produce a very weak current
at best).
Now if you can produce a few hundred milliwatts or higher of useable output power
from such a voltage then that would be worth investigating further. I would first check
for a cell phone tower right near you, or a short or fault in electric equipment. :)
Typically voltage that is induced from surrounding EM fields will fall off towards 0V
as soon as you try to draw any current off it. When trying to make voltage measurements
in the millivolts range or lower on equipment, it is a good idea to make sure you are well
away from any computers or other electronic equipment, and for really small measurements it is
probably a good idea to have good EM shielding around the equipment being measured, if possible,
such as have the equipment mounted in a metal box or placed in a shielded container.
Quote from: Void on October 03, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
Hi tarcius. There is lots of electromagnetic radiation all around us coming from the mains
lines as well as any electric or electronic equipment that may be plugged in, and all the
radio and TV broadcasts and cell phone communications etc. that goes on around us.
Because of this, it is not uncommon for a voltmeter to give voltage readings in the
millivolt range even when nothing is touching the probes. If you touch to your body or metal
objects it would not be surprising to get a reading in the 500 mV range.
To compare to your ~500 mV readings, I took a big sheet of aluminum foil and did some
voltage readings with the aluminum foil sheet placed on my desk close to my computer,
similar to how you did your voltage measurements in you video, and I was reading
around 480mV to 525 mV, but the voltage readings varied by a few hundred millivolts if
I moved the aluminum sheet around to other areas. This is most likely just due to the electromagnetic
field produced by the computer inducing a small voltage in your body and in the aluminum foil.
This sort of voltage that is induced by electromagnetic fields coming from the mains and electric
equipment etc. should not have any power associated with it (can only produce a very weak current
at best).
Now if you can produce a few hundred milliwatts or higher of useable output power
from such a voltage then that would be worth investigating further. I would first check
for a cell phone tower right near you, or a short or fault in electric equipment. :)
Typically voltage that is induced from surrounding EM fields will fall off towards 0V
as soon as you try to draw any current off it. When trying to make voltage measurements
in the millivolts range or lower on equipment, it is a good idea to make sure you are well
away from any computers or other electronic equipment, and for really small measurements it is
probably a good idea to have good EM shielding around the equipment being measured, if possible,
such as have the equipment mounted in a metal box or placed in a shielded container.
hey thanks for responding.
Have few interesting thing for you to try. :)
If we would take into consideration that aluminium foil acts as antenna that catches static from other sources like towers, computers etc. then that means that if we have larger sheet of foil we would get higher voltage because it catches more static charge right?
The same aplies with smaller sheet we would get considerable smaller voltage.
But.
I have made some simple mesurements and concluded that this is not true.
Now i don't say that there is not some static collected in aluminium foil from pc-s and other things. but that would account for about 10% of indicated voltage.
What i do in experiment.
I take a sheet of alu foil and made a ball out of it around 3 cm in diameter. Made same connections as on pyramid and get same voltage around 550mV few mili volts up or down.
Then i take small spec of foil 1cm x 2cm and do the same i get around 490 mV also varies a little.
Now we see that we get less voltage with smaller amount of foil but voltage is still to high to be as inducted static from other sources if we consider area of foil sheet.
I wondered from where it comes that relative stable voltage.
What i think that i comes from chemical reaction with skin of my finger.
Voltage dissapear if take out finger from equation.
Please try these experiments yourself to confirm.
Quote from: tarcius on October 11, 2012, 07:31:17 AM
hey thanks for responding.
Have few interesting thing for you to try. :)
...
Hi tarcius. I am not sure that the exact size of the piece of aluminum foil makes a huge
difference in this case, as the aluminum foil and your body may well be
mainly being acted on by the near electric field around your computer and monitor,
or from other electric equipment that is plugged in nearby. Also, voltage is always
measured as a potential difference between two points, so when measuring
voltage it is helpful to make it clear what two points you are measuring voltage
between, (and also whether you have your voltmeter set to read AC or DC). In this case
it sounds like you are measuring between the aluminum foil and your body like before.
Your body may be the main source of the potential difference readings if you are making
measurements with one lead to your body.
Some things you can try to try to get a better idea what is causing the voltage readings
would be to use the exact same piece of aluminum foil shape and slowly move the aluminum (and
your body) to different points in your house or apartment and take multiple measurements and see
how much the voltage varies at different locations and in different proximities to electric equipment
that is plugged in. Computers are probably one of the biggest sources of EM fields, but fridges
that are running and other similar electric equipment probably have fairly substantial
EM fields when you are close to them as well. You can also try just measuring the potential
difference between say your left hand and right hand at different locations as well to see how
much your body is being affected at different locations in your house.
If you find that a notable voltage reading is staying fairly stable even at locations when you are
far away from electrical equipment, then you could maybe try further experiments to see if you
can figure out what else might be inducing this voltage. If you have a cell phone tower very nearby
for example, that could potentially (no pun intended) :) be a factor. If you eliminate all likely external
electrical and RF influences and are still seeing unusual voltage readings in certain situations, it
may be worth devising further experiments to help try to figure out what is going on. Until you take
steps such as described above to try to eliminate more obvious causes of the millivolt voltage readings,
IMO it would be hard to say what exactly might be inducing the voltages.
Some people have said that pyramid shapes do tend to build electric charge or respond to electric fields
differently than other shapes, so once you determine how electric equipment in your house at various
locations is influencing your voltage readings on say just a flat piece of aluminum, you could then try further
experiments in an area where you determined there is little influence on your readings from electrical equipment
or the mains line or RF sources, and see if a similar size piece of aluminum formed into different shapes such
as a pyramid make much difference.
Besides making measurements with respect to your body, you could also try making measurements with respect to
earth ground (for example a cold water pipe is usually a fairly good earth ground reference point, but not always as
sometimes the cold water line may have a section of plastic pipe in it that breaks the connection to earth), as a good solid
earth ground connection will probably give you more stable and cleaner readings than making voltage measurements
with respect to your body. Your body is inclined too much to be influenced by nearby fields and RF radiation, but a good
earth ground should not be.
I think it is also interesting that some of the claimed free energy devices such as the TT pyramid or
the kapanadze device apparently require a good earth ground to get the reported anomalous substantial
electrical power generation, so using a good earth ground might well be worth experimenting with.
If you are attaching a wire to a cold water pipe, it is a good idea to clean the corrosion off the
copper pipe with steel wool or similar first and make sure the wire is attached really tight to the pipe
to get a good stable electrical connection. I intend to do some experiments in this regards as well
when I can find time, using earth ground and pyramid shapes. As mentioned above, it is a good idea
to find an area to do the measurements which you have first determined is not influenced too much by
external EM fields. That's my take on it anyway. :)
P.S. I did try making voltage measurements by touching my finger tip to the aluminum
foil while holding one of the probes like you did in your video, and it didn't make much difference
for me. Maybe you are the electric man? :)
This is the proper way to connect diodes:
Don't make ground loops. Connect -V1 to -V2 at one solder blob before it touches the groundplane anywhere else.
@Void: you make too much sense. Are you sure you're in the right place?
;)
I often use a piece of aluminum foil connected to an ungrounded scope probe to scope the EHV output of my Tesla coils and other E-field making devices. As long as you don't need quantitative data about voltage values, it's a great way to see the waveform output and to "peak" the coil tuning. Just dangle the foil piece anywhere near the secondary and you will see the waveform just fine.
A good Earth ground is fundamental for an electronics lab, especially ones concerned with extracting energy from the environment. The Earth is an unlimited source of electrons for you to mess around with. Here in South Texas we use window air conditioners practically year-round (one is running right now, Nov. 4, it's 84 F outside and 90 percent RH). So I drove a 6 foot piece of common copper pipe into the permanently wet ground underneath the AC drip line and ran a wire from that into my lab. It is very handy and resolves grounding issues with certainty.
And the human body is a great receiver for the 60 or 50 Hz mains frequency. Ever wonder what the "line" setting on your scope's trigger options is for? It switches the scope's triggering to the mains, and if you then switch your timebase slow enough to display a 50 or 60 Hz signal you will see a good image of the mains field in your house, by scoping your finger with an ungrounded probe.
@TK
Just ignore me in this Pyramid thread ;)
Those pesky PM's don't have a place for attachments ;)
Quote from: a.king21 on August 01, 2012, 07:48:31 AM
Tarcius:
There's a type of con called an "investment scam"
This is where an individual makes an OU claim and starts to get a following.
After this he approaches various venture capital companies who arrange funding.
This obviously involves a nice big salary and investment in equipment and expertise.
Trawoeger made various promises to replicators promising to send special materials.
Nothing happened. Then he started to cease contributing to the forum which he started.
Draw your own conclusions.
However if you have some good ideas then why not start your own thread.
If you have backers, then all the more reason. There is a lot of global interest in pyramid power.
I have got just as much power as you by simply placing two probes into the earth.
Nothing to do with pyramid power. Just an earth battery.
I also got the same power using a small aerial. Turned out to be mostly induction from the mains.
Anyway, good luck.
Sounds like it's similar what Kapanadze does, I hear tell that he get's paid by people for "performances".
It would seem people pay good money for next to no information, then come to the forums with
a sense of "entitlement" to say they have the secret but won't draw a schematic or explain it's operation.
All conjecture, but here's a scenario, Guy discovers a trick and fools some people, video's get out,
heavies come to get a piece of the action, Guy comes clean with the heavies and the heavies get
money for better demonstrations to fool richer people to get bigger investments. Meanwhile people go directly
to the Guy with money for demonstrations as well, his sideline. Looks like a case of the unending "long con" to me.
They are everywhere. It would seem there is money to be made doing it so they can hardly be blamed if they are having tough times financially.
Cheers
Nice URL.
http://erdmagnetfeld.pimath.de/global_grids.html
Did some more intense research on dowsing, "energy lines", electromagnetic anomalies......
The rotawiki points to some interesting folks:
Cecil Maby and Bedford Franklin:
http://www.wikirota.org/en/Cecil_Maby_and_Bedford_Franklin
Scroll to bottom of page for book references
So it looks like there is a long tradition in building electric/electronic detectors for that phenomenon.
There is even a public forum of people building these instruments:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/
fascinating.
It can be very dangerous to build a pyramide like Mr. Trawoeger. The flihgt area over the pyramides at Gezee is prohibited because some airplanes have there a crush of their electronic equipment. Mr. Trawoeger has only luck that he has closed metallic frames in his pyramide. They dampend the electromagnetic effect of his machine. Over the doorway to the monastery of Lambach is a shield with two symbols: an iron helmet over the down view of the dangerous pyramide. It is a warning to the future people.