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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: kainchild on July 20, 2011, 10:28:18 AM

Title: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: kainchild on July 20, 2011, 10:28:18 AM
I have an idea for an engine that uses the repelling forces of magnets to rotate a rotary.

I am going to try an attach a picture to this message of the device from a top view. The Spur gear in the picture that connects with the pop up piece has to have missing teeth to allow the piece to pop back up via the spring inside the pop up piece (an error on the drawer's part). The clamp pieces on both the arms and the pop up piece house the magnets which are rectangular in shape and have the poles at the end. They will be positioned so that they repel each other. The stationary magnet on the pop up piece won't move while the magnet on the arm will be repelled forward toward the next pop up piece. That pop up piece will then be pulled away (2 inches away) from the magnet and allow the magnet on the arm to go over it. Once the arm is exactly over and in front of that next pop up piece, the space on the spur gear will come into position allowing the pop up piece to go back into a position behind the magnet on the arm (I will provide an animation of an earlier model that is similar to this one that shows this process). Then the process is repeated again through the repelling forces.

These pictures were taken from an interactive 3d cad PDF drawing. I also have them in iges and step format too. Please post any questions or make a request for any of these files on this topic. Thanks.
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: kainchild on July 20, 2011, 10:50:35 AM
Here's an animation of an older version which shows how the pop up pieces work and how the repulsion from the magnets on the clamp pieces move forward from the stationary magnets on the pop up pieces and how the gear turns on the rotary on the bottom which turns the spur gears which then turn the rack on the side of the pop up piece that brings the pop up piece away the magnet on the arm.
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: twosox on July 22, 2011, 08:00:55 AM
Think we've seen something like this before, the problem was any work done goes back into compressing the springs.
I picture it rotating for a while and slowly coming to a 'balanced' stop. You could do away with the bottom set of
'pushers' and the springs from the top 3, let gravity drop them back down to repel, but I still see the same problem.
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: kainchild on July 05, 2012, 03:57:29 PM
Quote from: twosox on July 22, 2011, 08:00:55 AM
Think we've seen something like this before, the problem was any work done goes back into compressing the springs.
I picture it rotating for a while and slowly coming to a 'balanced' stop. You could do away with the bottom set of
'pushers' and the springs from the top 3, let gravity drop them back down to repel, but I still see the same problem.

Maybe but the numbers so far add to the contrary. the only thing I could see slowing this down if friction but oiling it should fix that.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/linkzelda/pressure.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/linkzelda/pressure.jpg)


If I could get a hobbiest who has knowledge of mechanical engineering to help build this for me. I could then prove whether it works or not.
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: jonifer on July 06, 2012, 03:21:23 PM
if you dount know "magnetic tooth" effect -draw no such schemes - it compensates for all
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: kainchild on July 06, 2012, 04:41:24 PM
Magnetic tooth? i don't understand your reply.
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: jonifer on July 06, 2012, 11:37:44 PM
magnetic tooth reduces the energy balance of almost all the magnetic patterns to zero. Without an understanding of the process of magnetic generators can not be approached. In his description overuniti.com not - have a lot of reading
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: TinselKoala on July 07, 2012, 02:59:08 AM
Quote from: kainchild on July 06, 2012, 04:41:24 PM
Magnetic tooth? i don't understand your reply.
I think he means "cogging".
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: kainchild on July 07, 2012, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 07, 2012, 02:59:08 AM
I think he means "cogging".

The type of magnet used bypasses some of the cogging effect. Sorry I should have put this up. This picture shows the kind of magnet needed for this device. The poles have to be at the longer end of the magnet:

(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi6.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy208%2Flinkzelda%2Fattractrepel2.gif&hash=b92aa82c75ae15a4146c7dea2a4c74bd78f012b3)

This also what I meant by pressure in that picture above this one I posted. The pressure of the cogging effect was listed on their as well. See this is what I meant by the "numbers" work so far.









Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: jonifer on July 08, 2012, 01:44:41 AM
Tens of such patents. You just do not read anyfing.
(http://img13.imageshost.ru/img/2012/07/08/image_4ff920424dcbc.jpg) (http://imageshost.ru/)
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: kainchild on July 08, 2012, 12:17:16 PM
Quote from: jonifer on July 08, 2012, 01:44:41 AM
Tens of such patents. You just do not read anyfing.
(http://img13.imageshost.ru/img/2012/07/08/image_4ff920424dcbc.jpg) (http://imageshost.ru/)

The problem with this "patent" is that the magnets in the device aren't moved away from the magnets that are being turned. Look at the movie file in the link on one of my responses. You will see how my motor works as in comparison to the one you are showing.

As far as the USPTO is concerned, you can't patent a device that is considered to be a perpetual motion machine and that goes the same for all countries that are a part of the patent coalition.

Plus the translator you are using is totally making what you are saying come off in a way I am having a hard time understanding.
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: jonifer on July 08, 2012, 12:28:26 PM
лень искаÑ,ÑŒ - в осÑ,альныÑ... подобныÑ... есÑ,ÑŒ и выдÑ'ргиванием и с вращением - все не рабочие
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: kainchild on July 09, 2012, 05:48:06 PM
Quote from: jonifer on July 08, 2012, 12:28:26 PM
лень искаÑ,ÑŒ - в осÑ,альныÑ... подобныÑ... есÑ,ÑŒ и выдÑ'ргиванием и с вращением - все не рабочие

ok Well if I learn Russian, I will try and respond to this.

Another thing to note, it would help if you could at least provide a movie of how this thing runs. That might help instead of replying in another language on a board that's English based....
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: jonifer on July 10, 2012, 01:33:29 AM
The engineer must  read in all languages.
The remaining one hundred  too  show to you with animation?
This patent have number and name and open patents database - read youself.
Or in the language you also do not know how to read?
Title: Re: An Idea for an Engine that works on Magnetic Repulsion
Post by: kainchild on July 10, 2012, 02:49:41 AM
Quote from: jonifer on July 10, 2012, 01:33:29 AM
The engineer must  read in all languages.
The remaining one hundred  too  show to you with animation?
This patent have number and name and open patents database - read youself.
Or in the language you also do not know how to read?

I read the abstract but it still didn't give me an idea of how it "moves away from point".
Any hows, If anyone is interested building this thing. Let me know on here. Thanks.