I put this in the news forum but actually it was discovered long before us.
A permenant magnet or a coil has a field besides the magnetic field its the electric field it runs 90 degrees to the magnetic field.
Iv attached a couple of pics
While experimenting with ice we'v found that it does exist, and have come to realize how it relates to the planets and galaxy's in the universe.
I hope its ok Im posting a link to the thread that has tons of info, mainly from MonsieurM an avid researcher and a wealth of information, I poke my nose in every once in a while. ;D
This realization I think will help in all area's of free energy research.
Hope to hear your views.
Dave
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8480-harvesting-energy-sun-using-crystals-13.html
If you have time read the whole thread I think you'll be glad you did.
http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t283/Dave45_bucket/?action=view¤t=Avectorfield.png
http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t283/Dave45_bucket/?action=view¤t=vectorfieldofSaturn.png
http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t283/Dave45_bucket/?action=view¤t=vectorfield.png
A vector field
Hey Dave
So, how can we utilize the A field? Or am I already? pm ;]
Because if I am, then Im totally wrong about how I think things are happening(Romeros way).
I like the magnetrolisys. Remember the thread where the guy claimed to get a strong solution of water and sodium hydrochloride(a metal) bubbling profusely by sending a particular signal into a coil wound around the vessel containing the solution. No plates to clean or replace. I wasnt able to get it to work. Yet. ;]
Tell me more.... ;] Ill check the link Thanks
Mags
Hey Mags
I watched your vid and I think you are utilizing the field ;)
Way to go, this needs a lot more research.
Dave
Iv posted a link to Mags vid, very cool, Mags I hope you dont mind.
Notice the way his magnets are positioned in relation to the coils.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNCF7uQzwzM&feature=uploademail
We've come to the realization that a black hole is the magnetic core of a galaxy.
The planets and stars run in the A vector field=the electric field.
Dave
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t283/Dave45_bucket/Avectorfield2.png
Energy moves into a galaxy like water down a drain and this also causes the rotation of the galaxy, its a very simple theory but one that makes sense.
Dave
Before I knew what this field was I tried to catch it but realized the field moves into the coil and not out, this field feeds the magnetic field.
Dave
This is an ice cell Iv been experimenting with it has a coil inside that I ran 6.3 volts of ac current through as it froze,
If you notice the magnetic field created a structured column but the wavy lines are the A vector field.
http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t283/Dave45_bucket/?action=view¤t=007.jpg
In this pic I tried to catch the field but if you notice the field avoided the screen it actually moved up. Thats when I realized the field moves into the coil it feeds the magnetic field
http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t283/Dave45_bucket/?action=view¤t=003-3.jpg
nice thread you got here Dave ;)
Dave since:
Quote"Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates." The Kybalion
It would be more like this (fill in the missing rings)
http://www.feandft.com/vortloop.gif
It's also called a standing wave ;) (takes us back to cymatics : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8522-using-cymatics-visualise-electric-phenomena.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8522-using-cymatics-visualise-electric-phenomena.html) )
see also: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8761-golden-tractate-hermes-trismegistus-applied-electromagnetism-20.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8761-golden-tractate-hermes-trismegistus-applied-electromagnetism-20.html)
I was looking at an alternator armature
they are taking the north and south field channeling it into the plane of the A vector field and spinning it, very interesting.
So much to think about.
Dave
This is boosting the magnetic field tremendously
That Tesla he was one smart guy eh
If we use say ferrite cores,
In a solenoid the magnetic field runs in the ferrite core, and the A vector field surrounds the core
In a toroid the A vector field runs in the ferrite core and the magnetic field surrounds the core
The A vector field moves into the coil, it feeds the magnetic field
When you pull energy from a permanent magnet this field replaces it, this is where the magnet is tapped into the aether.
What do you say happens to the electrons when they enter the magnet through the A vector?
Secondly, why do some travel north and some south?
You guys may also find this interesting. This is a magnetic field theory that Mathew Jones introduced me to...
Pay attention to diagram 1
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.matthewcjones.com%2Fpower%2FMagDiagramMaster.jpg&hash=425fb320c8eac58ae51bdab0b2655df41008a3dd)
http://www.matthewcjones.com/power/MagDiagramMaster.jpg
My sister in law is a professor at a university in California Iv asked her to review the theory.
Dave
This information should be taught in classrooms all over the world.
Welcome MonsieurM ! Dave45 check out "d orbitals" and compare to MonsieurM's The Ankh picture. The center ring is gravity in my opinon;and the two orbitals are electron flow in a 3D mobius strip spinning/twisting.
Oh, I might add thinking inside magnetic box !?
Its the information that's important, I just delivered the mail ;)
Dave
Mags bucking fields make the A vector field chaotic, if you can put bucking magnets on top of the ones you already have, it wont be easy ;)
Dave
Here's a link to the pics of the bucking magnet
http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t283/Dave45_bucket/bucking%20permanent%20magnet/
Mags I know that putting the magnets in bucking mode will be a severe pain, I would try putting magnets in attraction mode first one on top of the ones you already have in place.
Bucking electromagnets may be the way to go, would be a lot easier.
I'm not sure where this will go, but I hope it leads to realization of how energy propagates throughout our universe.
Dave
Quote from: Shadesz on September 15, 2011, 12:15:19 AM
What do you say happens to the electrons when they enter the magnet through the A vector?
Secondly, why do some travel north and some south?
I'll ask you to do a simple little experiment on a piece of paper draw a galaxy, you know with spiral lines like water going down a drain,
If you look at the back of your piece of paper you'll notice the spirals are opposite from the ones you drew, the rotation is opposite.
As the magnetic field leaves the core the A vector field is coupled with the field,
depending on the direction of propagation from the A vector field(galaxy) determines the spin direction.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but more likely than not as our solar system passes the equatorial plane of our galaxy we will experience a pole reversal on our planet, I hope Im wrong.
Dave
Now will our planet flip is a question I dont have and answer to, I have flipped the polarity of a magnet without moving the magnets mass so it is possible but a magnetic force is a very strong force. Our sun flips its magnetic poles every eleven years.
Hi Dave,
The ice effect is interesting. I looked around for the effect and I think the term you are looking for is magneto-rotational instability. Which also relates to accretion disks of planets and galaxies.
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Magnetorotational_instability
Learn something new everyday. :)
Quote from: DreamThinkBuild on September 16, 2011, 01:53:10 AM
Hi Dave,
The ice effect is interesting. I looked around for the effect and I think the term you are looking for is magneto-rotational instability. Which also relates to accretion disks of planets and galaxies.
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Magnetorotational_instability
Learn something new everyday. :)
Looks like a model we can work with if the direction of acceleration is to the left on one side of the disk(equatorial plane) then the acceleration direction will be opposite on the other side.
Leedskalnin was right electrons are the same its the direction of spin that makes them seem opposite.
Thanks Dreamthinkbuild
Leedskalnin said the north field was stronger than the south and here's why if the galaxy is moving in a right hand spiral the electrons that couple with the magnetic field on the side that is moving in the direction with the A vector will be stronger than the electrons moving against the direction of the A vector.
Hard for my simple mind to convey but if you refer to the model we made on the piece of paper you will see what I mean.
Dave
Hi Dave,
QuoteLeedskalnin said the north field was stronger than the south and here's why if the galaxy is moving in a right hand spiral the electrons that couple with the magnetic field on the side that is moving in the direction with the A vector will be stronger than the electrons moving against the direction of the A vector.
Are there any examples of this effect in HV plasmas?
I think the effect might be usable for a magnet if we wobble the field in and out of a coil, I haven't tested this yet but if you take a ring magnet(bigger the better) with N up, S down and place it on a motor shaft but at a slight angle 5 to 15 degrees. Then place a coil above it and run the motor it should produce an output. It will probably be low power but I wonder how Lenz will be effected by it since we are not moving the magnet in a linear sense only using the wobble of the field. I attached a drawing.
Important note:
in nature nothing is done at random; so should you when you build your coils , the choice of gauge and turns is related to your entire set up by the golden ratio...this is the key to OU
:cheers:
here is an example for you : :notworthy:
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you need 2 elements (2 wires )to create the third one like in the rodin coil....:thinking:
http://www.alexpetty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/rodin-coil-all-3-windings-282x300.png
http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb444/MonsieurM/369-1.gif
remember how you build a rodin coil and the 369 picture will make total sense ;)
:D
Hello,
the Structure of the magnetic fields of permanant magnets was discovered way back in the 1970 by Howard Johnson:
Please go to page 6 in this book here :
http://www.scribd.com/doc/34317/Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson
They mapped the fields systemtically : starting with page 37
Regards
Kator01
The A vector field and how it couples to the magnetic field
The magnetic field is a neutral field until its coupled by the A vector field which gives it a spin direction
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Quote from: Dave45 on September 16, 2011, 11:41:37 PM
The A vector field and how it couples to the magnetic field
The magnetic field is a neutral field until its coupled by the A vector field which gives it a spin direction
This is also a model of a galaxy if we are on the left side of the equatorial plane you can see what will happen as our solar system crosses over the equatorial plane, the gravitational forces and spin direction will be flipped.
Dave
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt-_rJ_ytvE&feature=related
If the magnetic fields could be viewed from above the earths poles
one field moving in one field moving out
@all
Nice , i made some work on the subject here are the links
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8878.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9479.msg249968#msg249968
They both deal with this to some extent . Both treads are open and unfinished , simply because of the lack of interest , that may change sine its looking less and less esoteric each day .
I hope this will inspire , or help you guys .
Peace Mark
Thanks for the links MK I remember them now, I'll go over them again we learn a little more everyday.
Dave
Hey MK1
No lack of interest at all !!!!!
Still working in same area, but no posting the thousands failures :P
just a little more faith
cheers
Alvaro
I really didn't want to get into ancient symbols but since they are so pertinent to what we are studying.
The swastika represents the galaxy, if you look at the swastika one side moves into the core in a cw turn and the other side moves into the core in a ccw turn, Just as the electric field of the galaxy.
The ancient symbol yin yang represents the two particles joined together to form the electron, when a coil is passed in front of a magnet the particles are stripped from the magnetic field, one cw, one ccw when removed from the magnetic field they are attracted to each other they go into a synchronized orbit and this is the electron.
other symbols have been found that aren't as popular but have meaning the next symbol is of the pattern that is seen in the sunflower if you could look at the earths poles this is what the magnetic field would look like, as one magnetic field cw inters the pole and the other magnetic field ccw leaves the pole, this grid pattern covers the whole planet and connects to the opposite pole of the planet.
Im sure if we studied ancient symbols we would find more similarity's they were left for a reason, there was another civilization before us and Im sure they were as advanced as we are, maybe even more, but God said they were evil and destroyed them in the flood.
Take care
Dave
the flower of life represents the grid pattern created by the magnetic fields.
The Don Smith device completed this will go overunity
This is how energy is transferred from a magnet to the coils
when the magnet lines up with the coil the magnetic field expands through the core, the electric field follows along the magnetic field and transfers energy into the coil windings
To increase energy in the coils wind the coils like this
when the energy from the magnet circulates through the windings it will create an opposing field that will collapse into the coil windings when the magnet passes the coil, this is bemf, to collect this field we need to wind another winding on the coils that is counter to the winding already there, just like a transformer is wound
I think a diodes would be needed with the coil windings, this will allow the windings to only conduct one way, and stop anymore action reaction responses with the coils.
Interesting stuff Dave. ;]
What would you think about winding 1 half of a toroid one direction and the other half in the other direction? Do you think the electrical fields would still work in the same way?
Mags
This is my understanding of the electric field as it applies to a toroid, one thing we have to remember is one side of the electric field is cw and the other side is ccw, if you look at a galaxy or a pancake coil it is configured the same, the fields move out along the magnetic field in its perspective direction with its angular configuration either cw or ccw.
But the toroid seems to be different, I froze a toroid in ice, and as you can see the electric field circles the entire toroid, something else I have noticed is the electric field wants to be parallel with the earths surface, in other words our coils, if using a solenoid configuration need to be vertical.
There is more to learn if you want to see the fields put the coil you want to work with in water and freeze it powered up, it takes about 24 hours to freeze the electric field will be the last to freeze.
dave
the coil in the first pic was froze with 12 vdc and 12 vac in the next pic
The coils in the pics above were froze in a vertical position
This coil was froze in a horizontal position, notice the fields seem all mixed up, not separated like the vertical coils.
Can the position of our coils effect the outcome, it seems so.
dave
If we think of a spinning top or a gyroscope the electric field wants to be the same, parallel with the earths surface.
I believe Tesla was well aware of this field, if you notice his coils were in a vertical position.
I was given a large transformer that was no good, anyway when I removed the windings from the toroid shaped transformer the primary was wound like this, if you notice one side is wound cw and the other ccw with respect to how current is moving through the primary.
I think I have finally finished the magnetic model
What is lenz