The voltage gradient is a few hundred volts per meter becoming more negative with altitude. It is high impeadence. An array of very many very small points would transfer current to negative atmospheric ions well. The electrode panel on a wire would be hosted by a balloon.
The next question is - Should mankind do this? Perhaps drawing power at well chosen times would improve the weather.
Aloha,
Charles M. Brown
Charlie,
Have you checked out the "PES ISBP OS Project" at ( http://www.pureenergysystems.com/ )?
Regards,
BushWacker
The diode array is listed at PESwiki as http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:CBC:Main_Page and http://www.pureenergysystems.com/os/index.html as a Project under Consideration, tier 1. I have not listed any atmosphere electrodes with them. Nano lab sells carbon nanoneedle arrays for hundreds of dollars.
Aloha, Charlie
Thank Charlie,
I'm glad to see that you are putting it out there bud. I know a few other's out there who are claiming to be patenting similar technologies, including one Michael Kaminski from Joplin MO. I had a scheduled meeting with him on the 30th of last month, but his phone got disconnected 4 days before our meeting and he has never again replied to my 6 email inquiries to find out if he is okay. Just be careful my friend, we need more people like you but so far your the only one with this approach that is sticking their neck out on the line to help other's. Keep up the good work!
J.D.
Charlie,
The earth is negatively charged and the atmosphere is mostly positive.
This is why the spikes on ballons work. The charge from the planet
bleeds off into the air and a current of electricity is the result.
-Bruce P.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/os/IonSourceBeamProjector/links/index.html
its that easy?
The "pureenergysystems" site certainly makes the concept look easy. I've not been able to find a single source for the quadrupole magnets. I suppose one could haunt the ham radio swap meets and possible find a pair. However, it looks like one may be able to cement a smaller ring inside a larger ring, concentrically, with opposite poles facing up and get the same results. We shall see. If this is successful, I'll try inserting a coil or conductor inside the ion path to generate electricity.
Howard Malone
I was ordering magnets from American Science and Surplus and got a hold of a bunch of magnets on a whim which turned out to have at least four poles on a flat side ( I think they may have 6). You would be surprised where things like this turn up. Making your own shouldn't be too difficult I wouldn't think. There are some 'nifty' designs with multiple magnets that simulate monpoles.
Thanks, kenbo. I've ordered general things through magnetsource.com, but I'lll check it out.
Howard
There is also a very interesting German site with the prototype of a passive energy absorber. Mr. Kaechele was able to light some diods only by absorbing electrical energy from the atmosphere. Here are some pictures of his trial:
Glowing in the dark LEDs of the "current sucker"
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t-spark.de%2Ft-spark%2Fshare%2F4lowcled.gif&hash=a009f2f89fd7b8c38d7bb956e3075c7c1412c189)
The same apparat at daylight:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t-spark.de%2Ft-spark%2Fshare%2Fsauger1.gif&hash=3a79132047ae6ae621b083983a13fdd724fbed95)
More you find on his web page: http://www.t-spark.de/t-spark/t-sparkd/stromd.htm
Best regards
Andreas
This looks really interesting. I sure wish I could read this stuff. Is there an English copy?
Howard
Try using BabelFish to translate. It's not perfect, but usually you can get an idea of what is being said.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
Jim_Mich
Dammit Jim!
Stick to finishing your wheel.
Sorry there is no english copy. I try to translate the key info and post it to this forum.
Regards
Andreas
any news?
Always wondering: what are the real possibilities of height? what could you get with an antenna
connected to a balloon at 200 feet and a really good earth connection?
This is an old thread, but here's a translation of what started it:
http://translate.google.ca/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t-spark.de%2Ft-spark%2Ft-sparkd%2Fstromd.htm&sl=de&tl=en
tak
Quote from: tak22 on July 01, 2010, 06:01:28 PM
Always wondering: what are the real possibilities of ? what could you get with an antenna
connected to a balloon at 200 feet and a really good earth connection?
This is an old thread, but here's a translation of what started it:
http://translate.google.ca/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t-spark.de%2Ft-spark%2Ft-sparkd%2Fstromd.htm&sl=de&tl=en
tak
@tak,
Funny you mention a grounded wire aloft by a balloon. I recall reading (somewhere) about two wires of the same length, each supported on one end by a balloon, separated miles apart, one with a switch to ground, and the other with a load to ground. I believe that a strong energy impulse was felt by the load at each moment that the switch was engaged; connecting sky to ground.
Sorry to distract from your article, (which looks interesting and I intend to read it,) but does anyone have a link to the details of this two-balloon recollection?
my though is to collect several graphite rods, from the inside of old batteries. clean them up and attach them to a piece of sheetmetal, with holes drilled in it to fit the rods. thin sheetmetal
attach this to the top of like, a well-insulated upside down basket. and run the wire down through the center of it.
tether the sides of the basket to your main support string/cable
so that it flies flat, and put the baloons inside the basket (under neath the platform) it will probably require half a dozen balloons or more depending on how large you make the electrode-array.
it is very important to have a high-voltage / high impedance insulation over the entirety of the raised wire, so that only the electrodes and the sheetmetal are exposed to the atmospherical electricity. a bare raised wire will transmit almost no power, because it lowers the impedance-gradient all along its exposed surface to the ground.
heres a crude sketch i made of what the electrode-basket would look like. this is not as good as a carbon-nano-electrode set-up, but can be made without any major expense. i would suggest taking used, disposable AAA batteries. their graphite rods are very thin, and should be quite suitable for this application.