We are right now moving into a completely new energy situation on earth.
Nothing will be as before.
For those that doesn't know, the Italian scientist Andrea Rossi have successfully developed
a functional energy catalyzer ready to be manufactured for both domestic homes as well as for multi MegaWatt industries.
The "E-cat" creates heat during a fusion-like process where nickel is converted into copper.
Andrea Rossi have already delivered working MegaWatt units for a customer that have reported successfull results.
The MegaWatt units are available for purchase today with four months delivery.
He has additionally made an agreement with a manufacturer to make several hundred thousand units for domestic use before the end of 2013.
I have myself ordered four 10 KiloWatt units from his company, which will be delivered in the autumn of 2012.
Recently NASA surfaced and confirmed that the technique used by Andrea Rossi actually works.
Today the words "cold fusion" are changed to LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) which Dr. Joseph Zawodny, Senior Research Scientist at NASA,
confirms to be working, and which will revolutionize the whole energy situation on our planet, making nuclear plants and the oil industry uneccessary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8ZEmsw9pPw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8ZEmsw9pPw)
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3384163.ece (http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3384163.ece)
In case you for some reason do not understand the novelty and future impact of this invention made by Andrea Rossi,
it means plainly that we are today facing the greatest scientific breakthrough since the invention of the wheel!
http://ecat.com/ (http://ecat.com/)
2012 is here in all its powerful splendor. It is the year of change.
Gwandau
@Gwandau.I would also like to purchase a domestic E-cat . The two key questions are ; have you had confirmation of an approximate delivery date , and what country are you in . I live in the UK [England} .
If thats true then Governments can stop building Nuclear reactors.
It´s time for saving the Earth
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Quote from: Gwandau on January 18, 2012, 05:44:44 PM
We are right now moving into a completely new energy situation on earth.
Nothing will be as before.
2012 is here in all its powerful splendor. It is the year of change.
Gwandau
It is, indeed, a remarkable discovery. Best of all, it is real and available.
Trouble with it is the fuel. It needs nickel to work. According to MCC there are 220 mil tons of nickel in the world. In 2005 332,000 tons were produced where the early consumption was 373,500. Every year in he last 10 years the demand outstrips the supply.
Furthermore, out of 8 major nickel producers only 3 (Canada,Australia and New Caledonia) could be named as reliable sources. The rest (Russia, Indonesia, Cuba, China and Columbia) could not. They (3 countries) mine, however, about a third of nickel only.
I am afraid that we might be swapping one fuel supplier for another one. Plainly speaking there is not enough nickel around to replace existing power generation plants with Rossi's reactors.
Otherwise, it is great.
neptune,
Today the only product with a confirmed delivery date is the Mega Watt unit, since this is the only unit type presently manufactured.
The US manufacturer that Andrea Rossi has engaged in the production of the domestic E-cat is still busy constructing the production line, but since the catalyzer
is quite simple to manufacture, I would expect the production to start any time now, making several thousand units per month. The whole idea here is to get as many
sold as possible before some bigger company gets patents globally and stops Andrea Rossi, who only has got a patent granted in Italy. The low recent price (500$/10kW unit)
is deliberately set on the domestic unit in order to eliminate any competition from Defkalion and the other actors on this arena. The shipments are going to be worldwide.
It does not matter were you live. I myself live in Sweden.
One might think Andrea Rossis decision to personally finance his project is naive, but he has explained this way no one can accuse him of fraud or miscredit his project.
And since he still refuses any investment capital from anyone, and hitherto have financed the whole project with his own money, he is bound to sooner or later
face the competition of bigger actors who certainly will win the patent race and these guys will probably not sell any domestic units, but exclusively manufacture and sell
MegaWatt units to the big members of the energy cartel worldwide. Therefore it is absolutely vital to support Andrea Rossi with our trust if we are to get any access to
domestic units.
Too many scientists from institutions all over the world have witnessed his catalyzer working beyond any doubts. He is the man. Now it is our turn to show courage.
avalon,
the LENR effect is by no means a freak anomaly limited to the nickel isotope used by Andrea Rossi, what we are now experiencing is just the tip of the iceberg of a completely
new and novel approach to nuclear physics, and once the technique is safely and thoroghly patented it will be available for closer studies by the physiscists and an avalanche
of alternative methods will become available.
Just as Andrea Rossi says in an interview, to try keeping this secret for himself would be like trying to stand beneath the Niagara Falls with an umbrella...
Gwandau
QuoteThe low recent price (500$/10kW unit)
Wow! That is dirt cheap :o
Hi Avalon,
I think we will have to start pushing off-world. Instead of spending billions on wars to fight over oil refocus that money to off world robotic mining and habitats. Mars is rich in nickel. An E-Cat driven mining robot could have entire year of service without relying on solar or nuclear power.
We have to start moving off this planet, the rate at which population is growing and dwindling natural resources it's going to reach a breaking point where we will either not be able sustain ourselves or lead us into apocalyptic conflict where everyone loses.
Quote
Ion engine could one day power 39-day trips to Mars
...So far, team members have run the two-stage engine at a power of 50 kilowatts. But they hope to ramp up to 200 kW of power in ongoing tests, enough to provide about a pound of thrust. That may not sound like much, but in space it can propel up to two tonnes of cargo, reaching Jupiter in about 19 months from a starting position relatively close to the sun, says Squire...
source: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17476-ion-engine-could-one-day-power-39day-trips-to-mars.htmlImagine a ship with a 1MW(e-cat) Ion Drive. Mars and back in less than 3 months time.
Quote from: avalon on January 19, 2012, 02:25:48 PM
snip..
Trouble with it is the fuel. It needs nickel to work.
snip..
I am afraid that we might be swapping one fuel supplier for another one. Plainly speaking there is not enough nickel around to replace existing power generation plants with Rossi's reactors.
Otherwise, it is great.
Indeed, that could well be the case. Out of the fryer and into the frying pan
I noticed (I think) in the short PR video that NASA released on its Langley site, that Carbon is also a possible candidate fuel for this technology. (LENR).
If so, and this were developed, then gases like methane and CO2 may well become a greater part of the fuel cycle solution rather than the fuel cycle problem.
These gases are often the by-product of a manufacturing process. They can be sequestered at the point of production, and the (possible?) energy produced from the LENR method in processing them, used to feed back energy into the original manufacturing process.
I find it exciting that a very conservative corporation such as NASA, have released a video containing very positive assertions of what
LENR technology might achieve as an energy alternative.
Cheers all ... These are interesting times.
you guys are making this ^%#* too complicated.
its exactly like a laser
each atom/molecule can be excited to a specific energy level, which makes it compatible to interface with anotherspecific atom/molecule
the earth does this naturally with Carbon.
and what NASA has confirmed, is that carbon can be used, while it is coupled with another atom,
and the release of that atom, produces a large ammount of heat energy.
by ionizing carbon-dioxide, we can strip two C atoms and fuse them together, releasing heat and oxygen.
if the heat is not channelled away, or controlled, the O2 molecule will couple with a nearby Nitrogen and free oxygen atom, forming O3 (ozone).
this process occurs every time lightning strikes.
or you rub a balloon on yurhead....
from the research ive read on the subject, they are injecting co2 into a stream of ionized plasma
which, depending on the energy level will result in the production of Flourine, and Magnesium.
while releasing oxygen.
this oxygen, since isiolated from the nitrogen in the atmosphere,
will recombine with free atoms in the reaction chamber,
thus making it a sustainable exothermic reaction, with a majority of the waste being stable, non-isotopic bi-products. such as oxygen flouride and magnesiumoxide crystals.
both of which are essential for carbon-based life on earth.
Quote from: hoptoad on January 20, 2012, 02:15:42 AM
Indeed, that could well be the case. Out of the fryer and into the frying pan
I noticed (I think) in the short PR video that NASA released on its Langley site, that Carbon is also a possible candidate fuel for this technology. (LENR).
If so, and this were developed, then gases like methane and CO2 may well become a greater part of the fuel cycle solution rather than the fuel cycle problem.
These gases are often the by-product of a manufacturing process. They can be sequestered at the point of production, and the (possible?) energy produced from the LENR method in processing them, used to feed back energy into the original manufacturing process.
I find it exciting that a very conservative corporation such as NASA, have released a video containing very positive assertions of what
LENR technology might achieve as an energy alternative.
Cheers all ... These are interesting times.
I believe there's a patent been granted? applied for? by Cellani or someone. He lists just about every metal in the periodic table as a potential candidate for LENR. Not sure that it's limited to any particular hydride. And I'm reasonably sure that there are other materials that can be used instead of nickel. I had a short dialogue with a member here who thinks that there may be carbon catalyst needed. Not sure. If it is required - then Rossi has not mentioned this in his own patent application.
In any event. I agree. Rossi has nailed this. But there was a thread on this started by Chessnyt. Has it fallen from focus? In any event. Really good to see all this attention. It's the best news that we've had since the dawn of the industrial revolution. And MUCH NEEDED.
Good reading guys,
Rosemary
Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on January 20, 2012, 08:56:15 PM
... He lists just about every metal in the periodic table as a potential candidate for LENR. Not sure that it's limited to any particular hydride. ...
Rosemary
Exactly. This technology applies to every atom, every molecular structure.
If the energy levels are of sufficient magnitude, it can be freely coupled with another atom or molecule of a compatible energy level.
We are at a point now where we can do one of two things....
Either A) we can choose the route that leads to a complete understanding and manipulation of atomic structure...
or
B) Treat this as some sort of fusion process, and loose all grasp of its full potential.
personally i think the use of Nickel is a waste of time, money and energy...
there are plenty of other viable atoms to use. carbon being the most abundant, and most natural.
The underlying physics of this process have been long understood in the carbon cycle. its the same process your body uses to combine the minerals from your food into other compounds. or how a tree grows.
QuoteRecently NASA surfaced and confirmed that the technique used by Andrea Rossi actually works.
Joe zawodny has stated on his site that he confirms anomalous energy production in the last 20 years (paraphrased) the release of the video should *NOT* be construed as support for Rossi.
QuoteThere have been many attempts to twist the release of this video into NASA’s support for LENR or as proof that Rossi’s e-cat really works. Many extraordinary claims have been made in 2010. In my scientific opinion, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I find a distinct absence of the latter. So let me be very clear here. While I personally find sufficient demonstration that LENR effects warrant further investigation, I remain skeptical. Furthermore, I am unaware of any clear and convincing demonstrations of any viable commercial device producing useful amounts of net energy.
source: http://joe.zawodny.com/
Don't construe this as I don't believe in LENR.
CC
Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on January 20, 2012, 08:56:15 PM
In any event. I agree. Rossi has nailed this. But there was a thread on this started by Chessnyt. Has it fallen from focus? In any event. Really good to see all this attention. It's the best news that we've had since the dawn of the industrial revolution. And MUCH NEEDED.
@Rosemary:
Yes...I posted the announcement/video released by NASA confirming LENR technology back on 1-12-2012 in reply #485 from the thread in the following link:
http://www.overunity.com/11404/first-free-energy-device-reaches-market-in-october-the-game-changer-is-here/485/ (http://www.overunity.com/11404/first-free-energy-device-reaches-market-in-october-the-game-changer-is-here/485/)
I haven't posted for a while because details are still pouring in about Rossi's plans to sell home units for around $500 dollars a piece with refills costing $10 every six months of continual use. These are just a few details. I'm still gathering the specifics (and putting them together). I'll have a post up soon on the original thread.
Nice to see you Rosemary,
Chess
Quote from: chessnyt on January 20, 2012, 11:03:16 PM
@Rosemary:
Yes...I posted the announcement/video released by NASA confirming LENR technology back on 1-12-2012 in reply #485 from the thread in the following link:
http://www.overunity.com/11404/first-free-energy-device-reaches-market-in-october-the-game-changer-is-here/485/ (http://www.overunity.com/11404/first-free-energy-device-reaches-market-in-october-the-game-changer-is-here/485/)
I haven't posted for a while because details are still pouring in about Rossi's plans to sell home units for around $500 dollars a piece with refills costing $10 every six months of continual use. These are just a few details. I'm still gathering the specifics (and putting them together). I'll have a post up soon on the original thread.
Nice to see you Rosemary,
Chess
GOOD STUFF CHESS. Can't wait. And really nice to see you too.
Kindest and best,
Rosemary
"LENR" is not to be interpreted the same as say ... a radionuclear or thermonuclear reaction.
while some of the processes that take place, are similar..
low-energy nuclear stimulation can hardly be construed as a "nuclear reaction", by any commonly accepted use of the term. And i could not condone labeling this as "cold-fusion" either..
its nothing more than an electrochemical reaction
that being said, there are several situations where electroexcitation can result in an abundance of heat or electrical energy as the result of atomic and molecular separation or recombination processes.
For instance: by raising the energy level of a molecule, you can achieve a state where seperation of two or more atoms can occur, and release large ammounts of heat or electrical energy, with relatively small input energies to achieve that state.
It is these types of reactions that we are looking to exploit.
Nickel happens to be easily excitable,
and cooincidentially magnetostrictive, which gives it a natural field-amplification effect.
Other than the cost, and obviously limited supply-chain,. i can see why it would make a good choice of fuel.
Carbon, however, is even more easily excitable, and there is a limitless abundance of it on this planet.
Carbon is also one of the elementary atomic structures, from which the exact nature of this effect can / should be studied. Each energy state of the carbon atom coincides with a particular atomic or molecular structure. The first primary (there are also secondary energy states) energy state couples with the O2 molecule. when a single carbon atom takes on sufficient charge, an oxygen molecule can freely couple with it becoming CO2. If the energy required to do this were = E . Then the energy required to raise the new molecule to an energy state sufficient to cause separation back into the base products - would be approx = 4 x (E)
Now, the exact energy value coorespings to some number of hundreds of electron volts..
meanwhile, the Heat energy released by the separation of the CO2 molecule, and its' constituents resultant field collapses.... ranges somewhere in the range of 10,000 degrees, for a finite duration of time. = E^36 or something..
So, in this respect, the energy values are comparable to nuclear technologies.
But there are plenty of other processes which exhibit similar energy gains., such as an electrolosys / combustion cycle, but we do not call this nuclear technology.. so im a bit confused about why this is labeled LENR in the first place... Its clearly electrochemical in nature.
This was all well understood for a short period of time back in the 70's. when lasers were becoming popular, then it seems the world of science forgot what they had learned.... There are electro-acidic solutions that function on the same principal, once the energy level of the solution reaches a certain point, it becomes acidic.
chessnyt,
sorry for not recognizing your thread before posting this one.
I recommend everybody to move to chessnyt's thread for a much more detailed
information regarding the developement of Andrea Rossi's invention.
http://www.overunity.com/11404/first-free-energy-device-reaches-market-in-october-the-game-changer-is-here/485/ (http://www.overunity.com/11404/first-free-energy-device-reaches-market-in-october-the-game-changer-is-here/485/)
Gwandau
Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 21, 2012, 04:51:21 PM
"LENR" is not to be interpreted the same as say ... a radionuclear or thermonuclear reaction.
while some of the processes that take place, are similar..
low-energy nuclear stimulation can hardly be construed as a "nuclear reaction", by any commonly accepted use of the term. And i could not condone labeling this as "cold-fusion" either..
its nothing more than an electrochemical reaction
...
so im a bit confused about why this is labeled LENR in the first place... Its clearly electrochemical in nature.
LENR is a nuclear reaction. its not chemical or electrochemical (electrolysis). yes you are correct you can electrically excite molecules and create a seperation into individual elements. for example h20 into hydrogen and oxygen. To do this you only need to overcome the bonds between elements, for some molecules that is easier than for others.
The only way to turn one ELEMENT into another ELEMENT is by a nuclear reaction.
LENR claims to be a nuclear reaction, without all the nasty side effects (radiation, although gamma radiation is produced its easily dealt with) the reaction in Rossi's case is to convert nickel to copper.
These two elements live side by side on the periodic table of elements The only "scientifically accepted way of turning one to the other is with massive amounts of energy, typical of a fusion process like within the Sun and a tokamak reactor.
That's why LENR has so much scepticism about it. As a "low energy" nuclear reaction it does not fit accepted science.
CC
That's why LENR has so much scepticism about it. As a "low energy" nuclear reaction it does not fit accepted science.
CC
Chris
I will say this .I believe in the E-Cat.But not in Hot Fusion its a Scam and a total Fraud
They have been trying to create Hot Fusion since 1947 over 60 years and spending Billions
of cash down the drain.Its a total con by the system they have to keep the budget going each
year.I should know I worked as a engineer for years in the High energy physics game.
Dave
Quote from: firlight on January 22, 2012, 02:00:48 PM
That's why LENR has so much scepticism about it. As a "low energy" nuclear reaction it does not fit accepted science.
CC
Chris
I will say this .I believe in the E-Cat.But not in Hot Fusion its a Scam and a total Fraud
They have been trying to create Hot Fusion since 1947 over 60 years and spending Billions
of cash down the drain.Its a total con by the system they have to keep the budget going each
year.I should know I worked as a engineer for years in the High energy physics game.
Dave
I see this quote a lot, but to me this simply shows that the poster is unknowledgable
about the history of nuclear fusion...It takes a certain amount of time and money
to do certain specific things...Don't supply the money and you can't have the result.
For example if half the money needed for the Apollo program to reach the moon was
supplied rather then the full amount, there is an exceeding likelyhood that the attempt
to land a man on the moon would have then resulted in failure. It wouldn't have been a
fraud and it wouldn't mean you didn't know enough about science, you simply failed to
provide enough resources to support the attempt.
Hot fusion experimental history is littered with with projected intermediate goals
and successes. Scientist saying they needed to do something to support a goal
then they went out and did them. They now have a project ITOR that is
a Hot Fusion reactor that is designed to produce overunity energy gain, sans
backend electrical generation capacity, which they already know how to
do..How is that a fraud?
Has the U.S. government slowly expended the required resources to do the task?
No...everytime tokamak hot fusion gets close they begin pushing alternative hot
fusion technologies like the Rochester Inertial ignition, Livermore 193 Gigawatt
Lasers, and the Sandia Inertial Confinement (speaking of having a shrink problem).
That is not the way to have a least length path to solve the problem.
Fortunately there are other independent countires in the world and they don't
necessarily move in lock step with US government. They have funded ITOR and
it is slowly getting done. ITOR is a giant robotic thing that needs to reprocess
it containment walls to extract the tritium to keep it's fusion process going.
It is the large science path to guarantee an energy future sans hydrocarbon
and fission fuels.
Is it cost effective?, well it's better then weapons fuel derived fission reactors
we use today, which irradiate tons of heavy metal in their cores.
Will it cause competitive processes to be developed that are much better then it is?
Almost certainly. But finding a better way does not mean that the initial way was
illegally incorrect. It's a horse race to see what systems gets to market first. It is
almost certainly better then nuclear fission systems functioning under adverse
circumstances, as we now know today.
How on earth do you expect government funded experiment systems when they don't
fund the primary one correctly?
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on January 22, 2012, 04:14:14 PM
I see this quote a lot, but to me this simply shows that the poster is unknowledgable
about the history of nuclear fusion...It takes a certain amount of time and money
to do certain specific things...Don't supply the money and you can't have the result.
For example if half the money needed for the Apollo program to reach the moon was
supplied rather then the full amount, there is an exceeding likelyhood that the attempt
to land a man on the moon would have then resulted in failure. It wouldn't have been a
fraud and it wouldn't mean you didn't know enough about science, you simply failed to
provide enough resources to support the attempt.
Hot fusion experimental history is littered with with projected intermediate goals
and successes. Scientist saying they needed to do something to support a goal
then they went out and did them. They now have a project ITOR that is
a Hot Fusion reactor that is designed to produce overunity energy gain, sans
backend electrical generation capacity, which they already know how to
do..How is that a fraud?
Has the U.S. government slowly expended the required resources to do the task?
No...everytime tokamak hot fusion gets close they begin pushing alternative hot
fusion technologies like the Rochester Inertial ignition, Livermore 193 Gigawatt
Lasers, and the Sandia Inertial Confinement (speaking of having a shrink problem).
That is not the way to have a least length path to solve the problem.
Fortunately there are other independent countires in the world and they don't
necessarily move in lock step with US government. They have funded ITOR and
it is slowly getting done. ITOR is a giant robotic thing that needs to reprocess
it containment walls to extract the tritium to keep it's fusion process going.
It is the large science path to guarantee an energy future sans hydrocarbon
and fission fuels.
Is it cost effective?, well it's better then weapons fuel derived fission reactors
we use today, which irradiate tons of heavy metal in their cores.
Will it cause competitive processes to be developed that are much better then it is?
Almost certainly. But finding a better way does not mean that the initial way was
illegally incorrect. It's a horse race to see what systems gets to market first. It is
almost certainly better then nuclear fission systems functioning under adverse
circumstances, as we now know today.
How on earth do you expect government funded experiment systems when they don't
fund the primary one correctly?
:S:MarkSCoffman
Tweaked your button then,you should wake up and smell the coffee.You don`t sound like someone
who has worked in the Biz other wise you would get it.I urge you read "The Catt Concept"By Ivor Catt .Anyway I was replying to Chris not you.
Its Time to get out of your Pyjamas.
Dave
Quote from: CuriousChris on January 22, 2012, 04:55:45 AM
... the only way ......
CC
you should stop right there, and go back to study the scientific principal.
If "science" had already accepted any of these things, we would already be using them.
Yes, i agree. historically, we havent known how to do this since..... some 1300+ yrs ago
and our combined 'modern knowledge' indicates that the only way we know how, is through a nuclear reaction, or a particle accelerator. However, a Lack of understanding of the process, does not mean that the title holds any more water.
When you excite a molecule beyond the bond strength of the atoms involved, there is a collapse, and associated release of energy, just as in the case of any atom or molecule that becomes excited and drops back down to a less energetic state. The difference here is, you now are also involving the difference in energy states between the relaxed atomic constituents, and the energy state they existed in as a pair[edit: molecule, ect].
Under the right conditions, this energy can far exceed the excitation energy, while simultaneously lowering the energy requirements for nuecleic absorbtion. It does not require large ammounts of energy, when the necleus is excited to a higher energy state. Think of it as being similar to thermal expansion.
The nucleus expands, and has more room to accept parts of another overly excited nucleus nearby.
There are some low levels of proton and neutron radiation that will occur, but nothing comparable to what we consider a nuclear reaction., in fact, less than that radiates from most of the known, unstable isotopes. Furthermore, the atomic structures that result from the reaction, are inherently stable, because of the low energy levels involved.
@firlight
Of course fusion is real, just look at the sun (not literally), whether we can control it that's another question altogether. And I am 100% behind you about the billions wasted when the same money poured into other projects could have reaped significant rewards by now. Even if its another fusion reactor like the bussard wiffle ball (fired over 500 times) or Lawrencevilles focus fusion or simple better safer nuclear reactors like the thorium reactor.
Whether LENR proves to be real or not we will have to wait and see. At my heart I am a sceptic, I do not believe in anything just because I wish it was true. Although I am often tempted down that way, Rossi almost got me.
@sm0ky
Are you implying as a race we knew how to convert one element to another some 1300 years ago and have forgotten it? Alchemy perhaps!
As far as a chemical or electrical reaction releasing enough energy to enable transmutation. I have not heard of any process that can do such. but I will freely admit chemistry is not my strong point. but I love research (now, not when I was younger) So I'd appreciate a link or 2 to some authoritative information on the subject. As far as I am aware and all the authoritative stuff I have read lately the only way we currently know how to do it is through fusion. So far LENR is not mainstream and so far unproven (rumours speculation and wild claims do not constitute proof), but if it is its still nuclear, unless they are mistaken about the nickel to copper transmutation. You are the only person I have ever heard who claims transmutation is not nuclear (nuclear means nucleus by the way, so any reaction involving the nucleus of an atom is nuclear). Perhaps I have just done my research in the wrong places.
CC
Quote from: CuriousChris on January 23, 2012, 07:01:35 AM
@firlight
(nuclear means nucleus by the way, so any reaction involving the nucleus of an atom is nuclear). Perhaps I have just done my research in the wrong places.
CC
@ Chris
as a general definition, i would probably have to agree with you, I think the point i was trying to make there was that, this is nothing like the standard nuclear reactions that we have come to know.
Using large ammounts of energy and brute force is not even whats going on here.
"transmutation" may be a outdated term, but the concept remains the same.
Each element is comprised of the exact same ingredients, just in differing ammounts.
They may take on completely different appearences, and have different 'physical properties'
but inside, they are all the same. We arent changing one thing into another, we are simply altering their ammounts. This is actually quite simple to do once you understand how the atomic structure communicates with itself, and other atoms around it.
Each element, each isotope, each molecular structure: resonates at a specific frequency, with respect to the conditions it exists in.
If we raise the energy level, the frequency lowers
If we lower the energy level, the frequency increases. This is directly related to the orbital period, and how many "handshakes" are taking place between the nucleus and the electron(s).
The electron inputs information from the environment, and translates this back to the nucleus, through these 'handshakes'. The nucleus, in turn, responds / reacts to changes in the environment, translating its response back to the electron(s), which then communicate that information back out to the environment.
If you change the frequency of one atom, so that it mimics another - it can freely couple with that atom to form a molecular structure. If you then change the frequency of this new molecule to a level that allows separation, this can occur.
There are an infinite nmber of other situations that can be caused by the same process.
You can change the energy level of certain atoms, and cause them to absorb or emit particles.
During these processes, energy may be lost or gained, just as in any other chemical reaction.
There are endothermic, exothermic, electrically + / - reactions, reactions that emit polarized, non-polarized magnetic fields, and all sorts of radiation, even light and radio and microwaves.
There may also be condition-specific nucleic collisions, implosions, explosions, and metastable isotopic energy gains.
If the excitation is controlled, we can place a substance, in a completely different elemental state.
We are approaching a point in technology, where we can litterally control the state of atoms,
through all posible elemental phase changes.
to put it short....
That machine on Star Trek that makes them their food --- might not be that far fetched after all.
none of this is new, we're just gaining a new understanding of it.
for instance, an electro-activated beta-emitter
we excite the atoms using an electrical signal, and it emits beta particles.
this has been in use for decades.
Electrolysis - this (although massively inneficient in most cases) is a well established use of this same process. There are situations that can increase, or decrease our perspective energy level.
For instance, if you electrolyze aluminum oxide, in the presence of atomized iron
it produces an endothermic reaction, creating exponentially more equivalent heat energy, than the electricity consumed. and the resultant components are aluminum oxide, and particulated iron residue.
which can be recycled back into the system.
There are litterally hundreds of examples of this throughout every field of science, the problem it appears is, that all of the Captains are asleep at the Helm, and nobody is noticing whats going on here.
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Dont look at this in terms of 'atomic thresholds' - This is what science is accustom to doing,
overpowering the bonds, over-energizing the atom so that a specific situation occurs... This is barbarian,..
They're hammering square pegs into a round hole.....
look at this from the perspective of coherent, harmonic wavelengths.
signals that communicate back and forth between one atom and another.
It doesnt take a large ammount of energy.
We're talking on the order of electronvolts.
Atoms do this on their own from ambient energy.
If you adjust their frequencies, to make one compatible with the other, you can manipulate them.
IF LENR or Cold Fusion or Waffle-Duck (call it what you like) does cause elemental transmutation, via a nucleic process occurring in low thermal energy environments, then it's not just the High Energy Physicists that will be getting a big wake up call sooner or later.
The possibilty of low energy elemental transmutations has enormous implications for the field of astronomy.
Alternative natural processes leading to the formation of elements heavier than hydrogen, (previously thought to be the exclusive products of stars and supernovas), may be a curiously cold (plasma) affair.
The mere possibility of this technology making it to the market place, is going to prompt a lot of navel gazing across a wide field of scientific disciplines.
The Rossi story is unfolding before us : it's either a great scam, or he has a potential great leap forward. Time will reveal.
Cheers
what rossi has done is discovered one of limitless instances where this technology can be useful.
And from what ive read of their published research and claims,
They dont even see the bigger picture.
Sadly enouhg, this may just be another anomoly, deemed economically inefficient, and forgotten about..
If science doesnt wake up and see the full potential of what we are learning.
Like buddy said, this does in fact cross over into litterally every field of science.
I'll give you a cookie... here
Take a hydrogen atom, and ionize it, then isolate your ion.
Now, carge this nucleus to the electrical equivalent of a electron.
You now have an Anhydrogen Ion.
Combine this with another Hydrogen Ion
and both nucleii will explode in a massive rainbow of nearly every type of radiation.
many of which will cancel each other out, translating into a release of massive ammounts of heat and light energy.
millions of times greater than the energy it took to ionize / reverse ionize the two atoms.
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Dont look at this in terms of 'atomic thresholds' - This is what science is accustom to doing,
overpowering the bonds, over-energizing the atom so that a specific situation occurs... This is barbarian,..
They're hammering square pegs into a round hole.....
look at this from the perspective of coherent, harmonic wavelengths.
signals that communicate back and forth between one atom and another.
It doesnt take a large ammount of energy.
We're talking on the order of electronvolts.
Atoms do this on their own from ambient energy.
If you adjust their frequencies, to make one compatible with the other, you can manipulate them.
sm0ky2,
these are truly visionary words, depicting a possible future landscape of human science very far from our present standpoint.
We really are gross, we really are hammering square pegs into a round hole, yes, that's exactly what we are doing in hot our fusion attempts.
Even the magnificient LHC structure at Cern is barbarian, using crude force just to see what happens.
I kind of miss the old time guys like Bohr and Einstein, who threaded into new areas more delicately, only equipped with a pencil and a mercury mind.
Hopefully the discovery by Andrea Rossi will change our route and make us more novel minded in our scientific perspective.
To anybody doubting the validity of his energy catalyze, I would like to remind you of the fact that the test runs made, all have been attended by
highly academic scientists who have employed rigorous observational procedures, eliminating any doubts.
To those of you that are not familiar with the traditional scientific method for testing a process like that of the e-cat, I would like to emphasize
that the parameters taken into consideration during the test runs excluded all possibilities to fool these guys. You see, there is no known fuel on
earth kept within the compartment volume of the device that would be able to sustain the amount of energy that was created and measured during the tests.
If a traditionally critical professor emeritus in nuclear physics from the University of Uppsala together with several other physicists from other
high ranked research institutions says that the test runs confirms an anomalous presence of unexplained energy excess, either you are ignorant to
the quality of contemporary scientific test methods, or you are so deeply burned by all the scams in circulation that you miss the real when it's here.
Gwandau
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Dont look at this in terms of 'atomic thresholds' - This is what science is accustom to doing,
overpowering the bonds, over-energizing the atom so that a specific situation occurs... This is barbarian,..
They're hammering square pegs into a round hole.....
look at this from the perspective of coherent, harmonic wavelengths.
signals that communicate back and forth between one atom and another.
It doesnt take a large ammount of energy.
We're talking on the order of electronvolts.
Atoms do this on their own from ambient energy.
If you adjust their frequencies, to make one compatible with the other, you can manipulate them.
sm0ky2,
these are truly visionary words, depicting a possible future landscape of human science very far from our present standpoint.
We really are gross, we really are hammering square pegs into a round hole, yes, that's exactly what we are doing in hot our fusion attempts.
Even the magnificient LHC structure at Cern is barbarian, using crude force just to see what happens.
I kind of miss the old time guys like Bohr and Einstein, who threaded into new areas more delicately, only equipped with a pencil and a mercury mind.
Hopefully the discovery by Andrea Rossi will change our route and make us more novel minded in our scientific perspective.
To anybody doubting the validity of his energy catalyze, I would like to remind you of the fact that the test runs made, all have been attended by
highly academic scientists who have employed rigorous observational procedures, eliminating any doubts.
So if in doubt, to those of you that are not familiar with the traditional scientific method for testing a process like that of the e-cat, I would like to emphasize
that the parameters taken into consideration during the test runs excluded all possibilities to fool these guys. You see, there is no known fuel on
earth kept within the compartment volume of the device that would be able to sustain the amount of energy that was created and measured during the tests.
If a traditionally critical professor emeritus in nuclear physics from the University of Uppsala together with several other physicists from other
high ranked research institutions says that the test runs confirms an anomalous presence of unexplained energy excess, either you are ignorant to
the quality of contemporary scientific test methods, or you are so deeply burned by all the scams in circulation that you miss the real when it's here.
Gwandau
Rossi isnt the first to walk down this path, and probably wont be the last..
Every field of science has situations which do not conform to the normal rules,
where exponential energy increases occur under pre-defined conditions.
Every field , every discipline.
i used to point these things out to my professors, and they would 'shush' me, or hold me after class to lecture me about their accreditation, and how they have to follow the curriculum.
Every time something like this pops up in the mainstream eye, its obscurely explained away, or deemed unpheasable, and the world goes on...
the time for patents, the time for secret formulas is over. We need to put this technology on the forefront, and available to the public. [..Personally, i dont care what Rossi's secret ingredient is, i can see from the energies involved that it can only be a select handful of compounds, one of which is water..]
What is more important to me, is sharing the science that underlies this process, so thet we all understand the fact that we can achieve this effect with a limitless combination of atomic or molecular components.
Its not a lack of energy that is holding us back. Its the fact that they want to charge us for it......
think about this.,. it doesnt matter which field of study you are in.
In gradeschool, they taught you something about it.
in High school, you learned, well its not quite that simple, heres the real situation...
in College, they overwrite your high-school knowledge of the subject, and teach you the college level information, which is completely different.
In graduate school, the same thing.
each level of education, the curriculum teaches you what they want you to know right then...
There is so much more to the collection of human knowledge, than is shared with the general public...
Its time to pull back the curtains, and take a look at the Wizard...
Did you know, that the side-effect of using a high-power radio broadcast tower
is an exponential increase in energy?
So powerful in fact, that it would destroy the tower and the building thats hosting it, as has happened in the past...
We now waste excess energy, to get rid of the excess energy, to keep it from damaging the tower and the equipment....
we do similar things inside our computers, to avert anomolous energy buildups, which would otherwise destroy the circuitry.
places where we use multiple large electric motors, we space them apart to prevent excess energy, that could fry the coils and cause injury to the staff.
for the same reason that we place windbreakers under the bridges.
or an old pager from the 80's could be a WMD...
Blacklightpower,E-Cat, SolarHydrogenTrends and :
http://www.grantstroy.net/en/vodorod-nulevoj-valentnosti.html (http://www.grantstroy.net/en/vodorod-nulevoj-valentnosti.html)
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Sincerely
OCWL