I would like everyone to seriously consider what I'm about to propose. First, let me ask why there isn't a measurable electric field in a magnet? Also, can current flow In opposed direction on a single wire? Now, let me ask, "what came first, the chicken or the egg"? Please bare with me. The egg has the form of a chicken. The chicken is in the egg. The two are one. One did not come before the other, as the question wrongly implies. They came together, as one, and not separately. It's a bad question, because the question itself has separated the two when they actually came together and were one. If we don't ask the right questions, then we won't get the right answers. Wrong assumptions create bad questions and wrong answers which lead to paradoxes.
The chicken and egg analogy also applies to the electron-positron pairs. They are one, and not separate. They are the same particle. If the electron-positron has a clockwise rotation direction, then the charge on one side is cancelled. If it has a counter-clockwise rotation direction, then the charge on the other side is cancelled.
Now an electron-positron, as a wave form, is moved in an (anti)clockwise circle. In this spiraloid movement it has a discontinuous wave surface rather like a spiral spring. The movement itself is not discontinuous, but only appears so by virtue of its spiraling movement. It also shows a magnetic phenomenon cancelling out the charge on one side which gives an observer the impression that the energy moves in jumps. Further, it is subject to the outcome of the difference of charge due to this magnetic effect, as well as the result of its rotation. We can see this helical spiraloid movement of the particles in a cloud chamber. As a stationary wave form inside the field of an atom, then the electron-positron will have a neutral charge. This explains why there is no measurable electric field in a magnet.
Can Current Flow In Opposed Direction On A Single Wire? Yes, but we must first correctly define and understand what current flow is. Today Physics claims that the Electron-Positron pair may annihilate at any Kinetic Energy. Actually, it is the exact opposite as Ioannis has correctly stated. The Electron as also the Positron must have an initial velocity of 0.62c and below this value, the pair cannot be annihilated.
Here's a video showing the dual charges in action (//http://). Notice there are two streams. One stream is made of negative charges (electrons) while the other stream is made of positive charges (positrons). The dual charges generate the same current, since they are of opposite charges and moving in opposite directions. In this video, the two streams appear to combine into a single stream in most instances. They actually remain separated from each other at an extremely small distance by the repulsive coulomb force. When the magnet is correctly positioned, then we can see the two streams further separate from each other. There are both attractive and repulsive coulomb forces at play. If both charges gain enough acceleration and momentum (0.62c and above) they will overcome the repulsive coulomb force, collide and annihilate each other while generating excess heat. Current flow is the flow of negative and positive charges moving in opposite directions generating the same current. One stream is running against the other stream.
Gravock
In Graph(3) of Ioannis Xydous's publication (http://www.ioannisxydous.gr/SEPPv2.pdf), it says the known attractive coulomb force has a range from 4.8fm to infinity while the unknown repulsive coulomb force has a range from 1.409fm - 4.8fm. If the known attractive coulomb force has a range from 4.8fm to infinity, then this is the reason why it takes energy to separate the charges (electrons-positrons). However, in Graph(4 & 5), the unknown repulsive coulomb force becomes an attractive nuclear force, because the proton has a positive charge, with a range of 0.668fm - 2.25fm, while the repulsive nuclear force has a range from 2.25fm - infinity. Doesn't this suggest it would take no energy to separate the protons-antiprotons since the repulsive nuclear force reaches out to infinity? My answer would be a yes. This means we could in theory have an infinitely strong electrostatic field. The next question is how do we accomplish this.
A typical electron-positron collision with each having a velocity near to the speed of light will produce ten π mesons (pions), a proton, and an anti-proton. Now, how do we accelerate the electrons-positrons above 0.62c which can produce a proton and an anti-proton? A photon which is continuously oscillating inside an electric field will be continuously decreasing in frequency and momentum until the moment of entropy is reached. In each successive decrement in the frequency of the photon, then the charges (electrons and/or positrons) will gain acceleration and momentum. Once both charges obtain the necessary acceleration and momentum they will overcome the coulomb forces, collide and annihilate each other generating excess heat along with a proton and an anti-proton. We can then charge up a capacitor with protons (positive charges) and anti-protons (negative charges) to obtain an electrostatic field with a strength which in theory can reach to infinity with no additional energy. As the electrostatic field increases in strength, then we will be producing photons with higher and higher frequencies and the process will then become self-feeding and perpetual with an infinite energy source.
Gravock
Gravock,
This indeed is an intriguing concept. I especially like the overall picture of particles in the quantum domain not really being physical particles
at all but instead being purely interacting waveforms, being able to shapeshift into any expression given the right wave energy parameters.
I believe that one of the biggest contributions to mankind born out of the coming understanding of the LENR processes is the insight that
our physical reality isn't that physical at all, and that matter is "merely" standing wave patterns.
Physical reality is an illusion, it is all Wave Relativity. There is no Higgs particle giving physical stability to our reality and will never be.
The guys at Cern can stop waisting our money, they will just continue to find new fractal wave expressions of same basic field source.
Our whole idea of matter being here by its own means as a piece of driftwood in empty space is a sandcastle of contemporary science soon to be leveled
with the shore of reality when the new wave theories are given enough momentum by the the new findings of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.
Ioannis Xydous's may be nailing down the hitherto unexplained processes in LENR and LANR catalysis, and as I understand it,
here may be clues hidden how to weaken the Coloumb forces by RF generation.
What are your ideas about the type of wave length and frequency range needed to overcome this boundary?
I am myself involved in a serious attempt to replicate the A.R. LENR effect.
Gwandau
Gwandau,
You are correct in saying our physical reality isn't that physical at all. We can say that neither matter nor energy exist, but only deformed space, which is called matter, and what we call energy is nothing more than a phenomenon of transition between primordial space and deformed space.
What are my ideas about the type of wave length and frequency range needed to overcome this boundary? I'll be working on this answer, but I think Xydous can figure it out much quicker than I can. It wouldn't surprise me if the frequencies and the range is relatively on the low side. I would imagine the strength of the electrostatic field would be a factor also.
Gravock
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what we call energy is nothing more than a phenomenon of transition between primordial space and deformed space.
gravock,
It is a rare experience to hear someone explaining energy this way.
It is exactly the way I have come to understand our center oriented truly relativistic universe.
Although the words used differ from the words used by David Barclay in his book Unity, they hit the point just as well.
David, who is my mentor in true relativity, uses the concept Field Differential instead, but it covers just the same transition.
Gwandau
Quote from: Gwandau on February 24, 2012, 08:12:34 PM
gravock,
It is a rare experience to hear someone explaining energy this way.
It is exactly the way I have come to understand our center oriented truly relativistic universe.
Although the words used differ from the words used by David Barclay in his book Unity, they hit the point just as well.
David, who is my mentor in true relativity, uses the concept Field Differential instead, but it covers just the same transition.
Gwandau
I agree. Different terminology and language used, but the same concept.
Gravock
Both Stueckelberg and Feynman suggested that
all electrons and positrons are the same particle undergoing time reversals. The video on the dual charges (electrons-positrons) in action showing the 2 streams of current flow and the elegant explanation to why there is no measurable electric field in a magnet, should erase any doubts that the electron-positron are the same particle. If this isn't enough, then here's a publication found in the General Science Journal titled, "Centrifugal Force in the Electric Circuit (http://www.wbabin.net/science/tombe42.pdf)". Below is a quote as found in this publication. Please take note, this publication mentions how the
electron-positron splits into two streams in a wire on page 5. This is very similar to what you see in the video.
Current is the flow of negative charges (electrons) and positive charges (positrons) moving in opposite directions (time reversals). One stream is running against the other stream. The electron stream is the 'hot current' and the positron stream is the 'cold current'. If you can accept the idea of the electron-positron being the same particle while these dual charges are moving in opposite directions or in time, then you must reject the idea of the electrons-positrons annihilating each other at any kinetic energy as it is being taught in Physics today, and seriously consider Xyodous's proposal that the electrons-positrons both need a minimal velocity of 0.62c before they have enough momentum to annihilate each other (that is one runaway sentence, lol). The method I described in reply# 1 of this thread, is nothing more than a simple, but super efficient particle accelerator-collider producing excess heat along with a proton-antiproton to be used to create a very strong electric field which allows the process to become self-feeding and perpetual.
Gravock
Quote from: Frederick Tombe,
The electron-positron wind will split into two streams. One stream will flow under the wire and the other stream will flow over the wire.
I proposed the same theory basically over on energetic, almost got branded, had to run for the hills ;D
For some reason I cant view the vid in your first post can u post it again please
dave
Maybe this will help
This image is based on the model of a galaxy, its quite ironic that the only field we can see in space(the electric field) is the one we know so little about.
Quote from: Dave45 on February 26, 2012, 10:31:14 AM
For some reason I cant view the vid in your first post can u post it again please
dave
You're right, the link in the first post isn't valid. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Here's a valid URL to the video showing the dual charges in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrGtPKBXkVQ).
Thanks,
Gravock
Quote from: Dave45 on February 26, 2012, 10:32:48 AM
Maybe this will help
This image is based on the model of a galaxy, its quite ironic that the only field we can see in space(the electric field) is the one we know so little about.
The secret of the Electron-Positron pair (http://www.ioannisxydous.gr/SEPPv2.pdf), by Ioannis Xydous, describes the vortices-antivortices in the aether. I think you will enjoy his paper. Don't let the math scare you away. He explains the equations. Here's the website of Xydous (http://www.ioannisxydous.gr/).
Gravock
Have you seen the vid by magnetflipper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlDGU05-nvk
Quote from: Dave45 on February 26, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Have you seen the vid by magnetflipper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlDGU05-nvk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlDGU05-nvk)
Yes, I've seen the video by magnetflipper, but had forgotten about it. It's very relevant to our discussions here. Thanks for posting this. :)
Gravock
Quote from: Dave45 on February 26, 2012, 10:21:09 AM
I proposed the same theory basically over on energetic, almost got branded, had to run for the hills ;D
The unbelievers are being marked and will soon be running for the hills (literally) if they don't change their course in the right direction.
Gravock
"There is only one Force in nature and this is the Electric Force", Ioannis Xydous , October 2011.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on February 26, 2012, 01:21:11 PM
"There is only one Force in nature and this is the Electric Force", Ioannis Xydous , October 2011.
Gravock
God (the universe) is an isotropic line parallel to itself and vibrating on itself at right angles. He is like a system of axes in which the point of intersection of the lines is everywhere at the same time. Then He is many, because dimensions are contained within Him, when these are permutated, " n" equals infinity. Please remember that this is an attempt to explain, the unexplainable.
God, being an isotropic line, can be regarded as a system of axes, from which an infinite number of lines go out in all directions. As the centre of this axis is everywhere, we can regard the whole Universe as its centre. The fact that the lines of force are consequently unable to escape from the ubiquitous centre and are always encompassed by the Being of God, makes Him an Immanent figure. Thus, if the lines cannot move out from the Being of God, then they can only move within it. But as there is no such thing as interior or exterior, the whole Universe being a centre of lines of force, all the lines resulting from the isotropism of God will be found to be oscillating on one point.
We may therefore call the Universe a point of infinite oscillation. If this definition of the Universe is correct, God (the universe)
is an oscillating charge superimposed on an infinite point, constantly causing a deformation of space, continually exerting its influence on the un-manifest, and automatically creating energy, and in consequence, matter. There is only one Force in nature and this is the Electric Force. Saying God is an oscillating charge superimposed on an infinite point is by no means any different than saying, "God is Omnipresent". Omnipresent refers to God filling the universe in all its parts and is present everywhere at once. If God did not exist, nothing whatsoever would exist. God is fully aware of all things. The universe can not be explained without God, thus the mechanical motion of the universe can never be understood if God is left out of the equation, which science has done.
This continual creation of energy in the Universe gives rise to an internal pressure in the nebulae which can be seen in the phenomenon known as "the flight of the nebulae." As a result of this internal pressure they move away from one another.
You may raise the objection that this pressure is also applied in the direction of flight so that the internal pressure coupled with the external one would make them stable and they would not move apart, which would cause their mass to condense. My answer to this would be that energy created outside a galaxy tends to be drawn into the galaxy, condensing itself into material form. Thus we have an internal pressure coupled with an external decompression.
The flight of the nebulae prevents condensation taking place for three reasons: 1) This movement causes the interior pressure to disappear. However, nebulae appear to maintain an acceleration caused by an internal pressure within the Universe. (2) As the nebulae move apart, that space which had been transformed into matter endeavors to return to its former state of primordial space in accordance with the law of rotation of masses in a magnetic field. This reconstitutes the energy that had been used for condensation of the matter, turning it into light, whose wave energy goes on decreasing until the moment of entropy is reached. This is what takes place on the Sun. Leaving aside the reaction that they bring about on the planets, the Sun's discharges into space are, in a sense, matter returning to its original state of primordial space. Light from a myriad of suns in the various galaxies produces a very great force of repulsion on all the nebulae, and under this pressure they move away from one another.
In the first instance God supplied the power that brings about the deformation of space and the Sun, by an opposite process, turns it back into energy, thus re-establishing the balance. Everything comes from God and everything returns to Him. That is why neither matter nor energy exist, but only deformed space, which is called matter, and what we call energy is nothing more than a phenomenon of transition between primordial space and deformed space.
Gravock
Everyone should watch this vid.
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/89751/Amazing_Life_After_Death_Account/
Dave45,
This video has nothing to do with what Gravock is trying to convey.
Why on earth do you impose the old Christian guilt complex onto this thread???
Are you a troll?
Gwandau
Quote from: National Geographic News
Earth is wearing a thin antimatter belt, according to new data that revealed antiprotons trapped high above the planet.
National Geographic News - Antimatter Found Orbiting Earth.
According to Xydous, most of the anti-matter is either near the outer edges of the universe or at the center of the universe as a white-hole (anti-blackhole), while the rest of the anti-matter was captured by the aether. If Stueckelberg and Feynman are correct in saying the electrons-positrons are the same particle undergoing
time reversals, then both assumptions by Xydous will be correct. Here's the basic idea. Since we're moving in forward-time, then we'll see mostly matter at or around the center of a system, while the anti-matter is found orbiting the planets, orbiting the outer edges of the solar systems (such as the OORT Cloud), and then orbiting the outer edges of galaxies, etc.
If we were moving in reverse-time, then we would see mostly anti-matter near the center of the systems, while matter would be found on the outer edges of the systems. In forward time, we would have black-holes at the center of the galaxies. In reverse time, we would have white-holes at the center of the galaxies. In summary, we could say both matter (particles) and anti-matter (anti-particles) are the same stuff. If we could move in forward and reverse time simultaneously or not move in either time-flows (remain stationary in time) we would clearly see matter and anti-matter being the same stuff. This means the electrons-positrons, the protons-antiprotons, the neutrons-antineutrons, the quarks-antiquarks, etc. are the same stuff. If we were inside a black-hole moving in reverse- time, then we would be repelled from the black-hole at a tremendous velocity. The black-hole will become a white-hole relative to us by a reversal in our time-flow.
Please note, reverse-time doesn't mean traveling into the past. It's more like changing your frequency and/or polarity.
Quote from: Gwandau on February 24, 2012, 08:12:34 PM
It is exactly the way I have come to understand our center oriented truly relativistic universe.
Gwandau
Doesn't this post describe a truly centered oriented relativistic universe?
Gravock
Time should play the part instead of meters or distance. We should look upon Time as the result of the force that impels a body through space. The greater the force, the shorter the time, and the shorter also the space to be traversed. Thus, if the force were infinitely great, time and space would be infinitely small, they would cease to exist. If the force was infinitely small, time and space would be infinitely great. But, again the force is not everything, because in reality it does not exist. All that exists is the impulse that is applied to the body in space and imparts momentum to it. The body's movement is then only limited by the resistance it has to overcome. What does exist then is the momentum that arises from the impulse of the force, and not the force itself. Again this impulse only exists as a function of a Will that gives rise to it. To sum up, time and space are the outcome of a powerful Will acting on the Universe, that is what we should measure, taking note of its intensity in any given phenomenon. In our Universe this Will manifests itself as galactic time.
Gravock
I'll be tying up some loose ends in this post. The maximum allowable photon frequency in the universe is 5.167 x 1062 Hz, either in forward (matter) or reverse time (anti-matter). The collapse of a photon with the maximum allowed frequency in the Universe will result to a probable black-hole mass at the quantum scale. This mass is the densest probable created mass in the entire Universe. If we're inside a black-hole with forward-time (matter) and we change our frequency and/or polarity to the maximum allowable frequency of the universe in reverse-time (anti-matter), then we will be repelled by an infinitely great force. Being repelled by an infinitely great force would equate into time and space being infinitely small. Thus, we could travel anywhere in the universe in zero or near zero time.
Gravock
What about the G-forces?
The G-forces can be eliminated. Here's how. Take a flying saucer for example. If the bottom half of the saucer is facing the black-hole (matter) in reverse-time (anti-matter), and the top half of the saucer is facing a white-hole (anti-matter) in forward-time (matter), then the bottom of the craft will be repelled with an infinitely great force while the top half of the saucer is being attracted by an infinitely great force simultaneously. The G-forces will be cancelled. This is how you create and open up a worm-hole throat.
Gravock
This is important to understand. An electron is in forward-time (matter) with negative energy, while a positron is in reverse-time (anti-matter) with positive energy. However, a proton is in forward-time (matter) with positive energy, while the anti-proton is in reverse-time with negative energy. Do you see the difference? This is true since we're in forward time (matter). However, if we're in reverse time (anti-matter) then our energy is reversed relative to the electron-positron and proton-antiproton. Thus, when your inside a wormhole throat, you're simultaneously moving in forward and reverse-time. In other-words, you're stationary in time, thus there are no G-forces. If you can grasp this, then you won't find any flaws in how to create and open up a wormhole throat.
Gravock
Quote from: Gwandau on February 26, 2012, 09:39:50 PM
Dave45,
This video has nothing to do with what Gravock is trying to convey.
Why on earth do you impose the old Christian guilt complex onto this thread???
Are you a troll?
Gwandau
Gwandau,
Actually the video on Life after death does have something to do with what I'm trying to convey. With the right energy, a person will be repelled from forward-time (darkness of a black-hole) while being attracted simultaneously in reverse-time towards the light (light from a white-hole). Time will not pass for you in this state. This is eternal life. If a person has the wrong energy, then the opposite will occur. If a person has a little faith in their creator, then there is no need to build a physical space-craft. It can be done spiritually. The physical process is an exact copy of the spiritual process. There is one important distinction which needs to be made. The physical process will cut a person off from his creator. This will lead to a spiritual death. There is only one way to escape a spiritual death, and that is by being with our creator.
Gravock
Quote from: Gwandau on February 26, 2012, 09:39:50 PM
Dave45,
This video has nothing to do with what Gravock is trying to convey.
Why on earth do you impose the old Christian guilt complex onto this thread???
Are you a troll?
Gwandau
Because I love you my brother
We want to know how God's universe works but we dont want to know about Him, that can never happen. This energy we try so hard to understand comes from Him, it is a gift, it keeps us warm, it lights our homes, but some use it for evil, to control and suppress the people but that will come to an end soon.
dave
What is a troll,
Im just a poor boy from Texas nothing else, trying to help if I can, Im not near as smart as most here, Im just trying to help.
Gravock,
I really do not like having started an argument about belief systems.
How could anybody argue about something that not one single person on earth knows anything about?
Fault is mine.
Gwandau
Dave45,
as I said to gravock, the fault is mine,
and you are surely not a troll.
Just because I personally do not accept any of our religious belief systems,
it does not mean that I have the right to tell whats right or wrong.
I'm sorry, Dave45.
We are all here for the same reason
Gwandau
Quote from: Gwandau on February 27, 2012, 10:38:39 AM
Gravock,
I really do not like having started an argument about belief systems.
How could anybody argue about something that not one single person on earth knows anything about?
Fault is mine.
Gwandau
Maybe you should build the physical vessel first. When it works, then maybe you'll see how it applies to the spiritual vessel also. The only problem with building the physical vessel first, is you may not have enough time to complete it. The physical vessel is an exact copy of the process used by the spiritual vessel. As above, so below. The spiritual vessel puts the negative energy behind it, while putting the positive energy in front. There is enough time to build your spiritual vessel, but I wouldn't wait too long. The truth shall set you free.
Gravock
Quote from: Gwandau on February 27, 2012, 10:47:26 AM
Dave45,
as I said to gravock, the fault is mine,
and you are surely not a troll.
Just because I personally do not accept any of our religious belief systems,
it does not mean that I have the right to tell whats right or wrong.
I'm sorry, Dave45.
We are all here for the same reason
Gwandau
Gwandau,
I have the utmost respect for you. I don't know you very well, but I have the feeling if I did, you would be a true friend for life. I really enjoy your posts.
Gravock
Thanks gravock,
so many great things are going to happen the next few years,
and who knows, maybe one day our roads will cross in real life and we actually will become friends for life.
Until then I will similarly enjoy your great posts and groundbreaking ideas about our reality.
What fascinates me is that you seem to be walking on a path just adjacent to my own, hence your view of the terrain is slightly different,
but still resembling my own point of view close enough to convince me that we are heading into the same virgin lands of new science.
It's a great trip, and I love every step of it.
Gwandau
Quote from: gravityblock on February 24, 2012, 11:48:10 AM
Here's a video showing the dual charges in action (//http://).
This post was to ask for a correction for that broken link in the first post above,
but I see as I read the rest it was corrected, no way to delete this post though...
Post:
http://www.overunity.com/12070/why-there-is-no-measurable-electric-field-in-a-magnet/msg313961/#msg313961
Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrGtPKBXkVQ
Thank you, sorry...
Below is a quote by Ioannis Xydous in a thread on another site, titled, "Unified Field Force: The Electric Force is the only Force in Nature...." (http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/showthread.php?702-Unified-Field-Force-The-Electric-Force-is-the-only-Force-in-Nature....&p=10101&viewfull=1#post10101) (reply# 46). I wanted to pass this along to everyone following this thread.
Gravock
Quote
Thank you Gravock!
My work as I wrote in the past does not use complex mathematics and is very straight and readable even for students that have finished High School and have a little more broad knowledge about Physics. I will not try to convince anyone since my work speaks itself. If something is true and related to the truth does not need proofs. Anyway, I am not very often on the forums and I just want to inform you as also the other members of this forum that soon (a week or two) I will be finishing the v3 of my work, which is if you liked the v2, this you are going to love it! Some info about the new version:
i) Four experiments. Three of them to easily detect the Aether and one of them is regarded to neutrinos, their velocity and more....
ii) The nature of neutrinos and electrons
iii) and more
Best Wishes
Ioannis
Quote from: Ioannis
Hi everyone!
The new version (v3.0) is ready and the new Web Site is already on line. Some of the New discoveries:
1.Aether's Detection by analyzing Magnetic Field Data using only your EXCEL S/W
2.Neutrinos are massless (imaginary particles or longitudinal half waves) and calculation of their corresponding mass from the rotational Energy. For All Neutrinos.
3.Neutrinos Lower and Upper Velocity limit
4.Imaginary Planck constant and Charge
5.Dirac's Magnetic Monopole=Rotational Potential due to the Aether
6.Complete Quantum Magnetic Charge Force
7.Aether is the Psyche of the Universe
8.Aether's Temperature and density
I believe that you will enjoy this version much more than the previous!
Best Wishes
Ioannis
Quote from: Unified Field Force: The Electric Force is the only Force in Nature....Gravock