Elon Musk believes that supercapacitors will trump batteries. I read an article over the internet about that subject matter. I believe the eestor ultracapacitor will allow an electric car to charge in about 5 minutes and have a driving range between 250 miles and 500 miles.
Yes but eestor ultracapacitor is a dead company since Lockheed Martin is part of this company....
A fully charged Tesla capacitor trumps them all. 10to the 10th farads at 10,000 volts. The mass of the copper is used in a tesla coil/cap not the surface area. These supercaps are just increased surface reactions. Tesla realized if you don't want your dielectric to perforate you had better make damn sure your geometry is correct. Capaciitor mfgs. just keep doing the same old same old to increase power density. A 30lb tesla coil cap could power an electric vehicle for close to six months without recharge. The supercaps a second maybe. The increased surface area relies solely on skin effects. In etching aluminum to create more surface area the result is that more charge resides on the edges of the etch than in the substrate. Deposition of the dielectric has to be increased due to the edge effects and results in a real mess. Voltage ratings have to be lowered self-healing chemistry-capacitors opening up due to internal lightning eddy currents on and on.
Tesla broached the problem back in the 19th century totally unheeded by the idiots developing secret electrolytes and polluting rivers streams and harbors with poly-chlorinated bi-phenols. Most of you here are aware of the problems integrated circuits are having with parasitic capacitance. Tesla didn't have a problem with parasitic capacitance he utilized it. The big circuit between the ionosphere f1 layer and the big charged up ball we ride around on produced parasitic capacitance effects in Tesla's circuits. I believe it was quite intentiional. Tesla wanted to use this effect to charge and discharge the total mass of copper wire strung between points a and b. Charging and discharging this megacapacitor through a generator. The generator inductance matched to the capacity of the entire network. Man was truly ingenious.
can you discribe a telsacap in greater detail?
sounds interesting.
The below patent gives us insight to what Tesla would later utilize in his magnifying transmitter. What I suggest is that his magnifying transmitter was magnifying the energy gains of the spark gap due to the casimier effect where gravity acceleration takes place of the plasma fronts. The plasma acceleration would cause a current rise of very high frequency that would then be distributed through the coil/capacitor, This high-frequency gain would be stored in a tuned tank circuit. The tuned circuit is then pumped up to as much energy as it can take before the charge of the mass compromises the insulation and results in ionization of the surrounding dielectric and coronal discharge. By making the tank parameters such that they totally block transmission of the frequency generated in the gap the energy of course stays in the blocking oscillator. The blocking oscillator is the coil/cap itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TeslaBifilar.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TeslaBifilar.png)
Quote from: sparks on July 14, 2012, 11:55:34 AM
A fully charged Tesla capacitor trumps them all. 10to the 10th farads at 10,000 volts. The mass of the copper is used in a tesla coil/cap not the surface area. These supercaps are just increased surface reactions. Tesla realized if you don't want your dielectric to perforate you had better make damn sure your geometry is correct. Capaciitor mfgs. just keep doing the same old same old to increase power density. A 30lb tesla coil cap could power an electric vehicle for close to six months without recharge. The supercaps a second maybe. The increased surface area relies solely on skin effects. In etching aluminum to create more surface area the result is that more charge resides on the edges of the etch than in the substrate. Deposition of the dielectric has to be increased due to the edge effects and results in a real mess. Voltage ratings have to be lowered self-healing chemistry-capacitors opening up due to internal lightning eddy currents on and on.
Tesla broached the problem back in the 19th century totally unheeded by the idiots developing secret electrolytes and polluting rivers streams and harbors with poly-chlorinated bi-phenols. Most of you here are aware of the problems integrated circuits are having with parasitic capacitance. Tesla didn't have a problem with parasitic capacitance he utilized it. The big circuit between the ionosphere f1 layer and the big charged up ball we ride around on produced parasitic capacitance effects in Tesla's circuits. I believe it was quite intentiional. Tesla wanted to use this effect to charge and discharge the total mass of copper wire strung between points a and b. Charging and discharging this megacapacitor through a generator. The generator inductance matched to the capacity of the entire network. Man was truly ingenious.
how do you make a 10 gigafarad cap rated at 10kv that wieghs only 30 pounds?
almost as useful as OU.
fritznien
It's very easy to talk nonsense but much harder to act it out, please show us this superultramegagigacapacitor you speak of that Tesla made and I'll forget about ultacapacitors.
QuoteTesla realized if you don't want your dielectric to perforate you had better make damn sure your geometry is correct.
Good one, Sparks!
Ask yourself why the PTB would spend 20 thousand million dollars just to find out if the "God particle" is even a viable pathway to the beginning of a whisp of an idea in support of the Higgs "theory", when 'they' are already exploiting various alternative quantum principles that render the higgs null and void.
When I look at the Flagellar Motor, 8 million of which would fit end to end in the cross section of a human hair, with all it's parts in place, just so.....I have to laugh heartily at what man, in his rank infancy is trying to lay hold of....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFgjiumiAw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFgjiumiAw)
Oh, and:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFgjiumiAw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFgjiumiAw)
Now THAT'S how One get's One's Geometry correct!
Quote from: TechStuf on July 16, 2012, 02:57:10 AM
Ask yourself why the PTB would spend 20 thousand million dollars just to find out if the "God particle" is even a viable pathway to the beginning of a whisp of an idea in support of the Higgs "theory", when 'they' are already exploiting various alternative quantum principles that render the higgs null and void.
Science (and everything else) is dead.
We are witnessing the end of our "empire". Self-destruction from parasites with an IQ of 94 (at most).
But the majority of people desrerve the coming catastrophy as they are too stupid to grasp anything beyond their tv (like watching this vÃdeo: [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_vwzjdTi4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_vwzjdTi4)[/size] )
the super capacitors are 5 farads at what 3 volts. Capacitance increases with the square of the voltage. So go from 3 to 10,003. Which is an increase of 10,000 volts. or 3,333 times the supercap voltage. So your faradic rating is 3,333 squared times 5. 3.3 to the third squared is 10 to the 6th times 5 or 5 times 10to the 7th. Or 500 million farads. Now we know that the supercapacitors use granulated activated carbon which has huge amounts of surface area. But the voltage has to to be low because it's pointy. Tesla geometry speaks directly to the problem of dielectric breakdown due to uneven charge being distributed in the capacitor dielectric interface. This gives rise to eddy currents instead of electrostatic currents and dielectric "electricfication".
Quote from: sparks on July 16, 2012, 07:36:28 PM
the super capacitors are 5 farads at what 3 volts. Capacitance increases with the square of the voltage. So go from 3 to 10,003. Which is an increase of 10,000 volts. or 3,333 times the supercap voltage. So your faradic rating is 3,333 squared times 5. 3.3 to the third squared is 10 to the 6th times 5 or 5 times 10to the 7th. Or 500 million farads. Now we know that the supercapacitors use granulated activated carbon which has huge amounts of surface area. But the voltage has to to be low because it's pointy. Tesla geometry speaks directly to the problem of dielectric breakdown due to uneven charge being distributed in the capacitor dielectric interface. This gives rise to eddy currents instead of electrostatic currents and dielectric "electricfication".
charge increases in proportion to voltage, energy with the square of the voltage.
voltage rating and capacitance are 2 different things and capacitance is independant of voltage applied.
a super cap is rated at 3 volts because that is all the dialectric will take safely.
tp increase the voltage 3333 times would require 3333 times the dialectric thickness which
would drop C by a factor of 3333 times.take all the points off the actvated charcoal and you
loose a lot of area which cuts C in proportion.
fritznien
Quote from: bugler on July 16, 2012, 05:57:55 PM
Science (and everything else) is dead.
We are witnessing the end of our "empire". Self-destruction from parasites with an IQ of 94 (at most).
But the majority of people desrerve the coming catastrophy as they are too stupid to grasp anything beyond their tv (like watching this vÃdeo: [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_vwzjdTi4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_vwzjdTi4)[/size] )
Hah, my wife has an I.Q of 208. go figure.
Quote from: bugler on July 16, 2012, 05:57:55 PM
Science (and everything else) is dead.
snip...
:o ::)
Who then, are you posting your comments to, and how is it, if everything is dead, that you (a part of everything) were able post in the first place ?
It's been a long time that I've laughed so heartily. Thanks for the soap opera comedy.
Cheers
Quote from: fritznien on July 16, 2012, 08:36:17 PM
charge increases in proportion to voltage, energy with the square of the voltage.
voltage rating and capacitance are 2 different things and capacitance is independant of voltage applied.
a super cap is rated at 3 volts because that is all the dialectric will take safely.
tp increase the voltage 3333 times would require 3333 times the dialectric thickness which
would drop C by a factor of 3333 times.take all the points off the actvated charcoal and you
loose a lot of area which cuts C in proportion.
fritznien
Sorry about using the word capacitance instead of farads. And I think it is farads we are after. Aren't farads 1 amp seconds? so a 5 farad capacitor gives you 5 amps for a second. The capacitor manufacturers are trying to increase the energy density of the capacitors so they fit in tight places. Therefore they have increased the surface area of the electrodes and decreased the thickness of the dielectric. This is all to save room so they fit in places like electronic chassis. This ever increasing electronics getting small is fine for low power applications but not for highpower applications. Tesla's roadster had two large conductors about six feet long mistaken for antennae. These were his harpin mains. The tesla transformer secondary (and primary) are blocking oscillators where the copper is used as the scource of the inductance and the scource of the capacitance needed to create the blocking oscillator. The blocking oscillator forms infinite impedance to the passage of current through it and infininte affinity for the storage of current in it when the signal or applied voltage is to be blocked and not appear at the load. This current is then extractable at a time 2. The resistance and capacitance losses usually associated with discrete components connected by conductors is overcome in the Tesla transformer as the discrete components are superimposed in the space occupied by the blocking oscillator.
The other consideration is that capacitance is a function of the volume of the space underconsideration and not the area. I have no idea as to where this area deal crept into engineering. By charging the entire volume of the conductor we get very high muliples of capacitance based on plate capcitor engineering.. What is the volume of a cylinder expressed in area. Infinity if you slice it to infintesimal thickness. Wire is cylinderical in shape. Now start taking the wire apart atom by atom and putting them on a flat surface so it is one atom thick. In one 2 meter by 1" diameter piece of copper you have lots and lots of atoms to form your crystal one atom thick with the valence shell orbitals just overlapping and the unbound free electrons forming a haze above the glued down atoms. Now you have a space charge many many free electrons residing in a three dimensional field. This happens in a conductor all on it's own due to the copper atoms forming ionic bonds and forcing the excess negative charges to the skin. So your copper comes precharged negative. The increase in charge density is that you add an electron to the electron cloud. You can do this until you have added as many electrons as you can get from a scource of electrons and jamming them into the space until the permittivity of the vacuum conditions are met. This would mean you are able to fill up the entire space inside the conductor until you have a coherent field of touching electrons. This is alot of charge and is only accomplished at high voltage or pressure charging of the unipolar capacitor. A good scource of free electrons is the Earth. Another scource is the gases ionized in the spark gap and aceelerated in the spark gap by a very high frequency electrodynamic energy scource.
One last consideration is that Tesla was not working with ac highfrequency. He was working with highfrequency high potential circuits. He moved way beyond ac highvoltage when he realized the amount of losses involved with ac low frequency. So these folks running around putting on spark shows with Karcher transfomers and claiming they are Tesla transformers should wize up. This way they might not spend hours and hours rewinding their secondaries every time they turn their Karcher on.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 17, 2012, 01:44:47 AM
Hah, my wife has an I.Q of 208. go figure.
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Patent priority date : 2010
http://www.newcastleinnovationscience.com.au/supercapacitor-technology (http://www.newcastleinnovationscience.com.au/supercapacitor-technology)
350Wh/Kg
Sincerely
OCWL
A capacitor's voltage starts to drop as soon as it supplies any power. How does one maintain the voltage as the charge in the cap is used up?
Supercapacitors will trump batteries? This is hillarious!
Quote from: Zephir on November 28, 2016, 01:17:03 PM
Supercapacitors will trump batteries? This is hillarious!
hi,
Strangely and unexpected capacitors will replace batteries once there is many self free running devices.
Not forgetting oil from the land of the camels needed merely to lubricate the A/C or DC motor bearing and etc. :D