Hi All,
here are 2 free videos on Google video from Borderlands.com Science
where Eric Dollard, Tom Brown and Peter Lindeman
demonstrate with experiments the things Nikoa Tesla had
developed around 1900 with his longitudional waves !
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549
and
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6461713170757457294
This is very , very interesting and I urge you all to watch it over and
over until you have understood all parts of these experiments.
Please post over here your comments to these 2 videos.
If you have some questions, what they are doing,
just post the minute and second of the video and
ask your question.
This demonstrates the great energy and signal transmission one
can do with longitudinal waves.
I wonder if they also tried already a modulated carrier and
with how much power they could transmit it how far ?
( These videos are already pretty old...)
Many thanks to Borderland Science to make these available for free on the
net.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S: I heard a rumour, that the US navy uses Tesla?s longitudinal waves to communicate
with their submaries... This indeed makes sense, as normal transversal electromagnetic
waves don?t go easy through water...
Must see PDF 500 pages 40Mb (attention: long loading)
all patents (that never seen befor in best web-url as www.tsla.hu enz.
http://pese.150m.com/fe/TePa.pdf
Load down (not longer than 2 week on my web-space !!
G.Pese
I just had time to listen to 17 minutes of first video. It's a lot of good research, but his statement that the wave is traveling faster than c, speed of light, is completely incorrect as I'm sure a lot of you well understand why. The field travels along the coil wire, but it's also taking shortcuts between the windings in the coil. This gives the illusion that the field is traveling faster than c. Also, since the wires are close to each other this introduces capacitance along with the obvious inductance, which is a filter in itself. This filter is interfering with his experimental as he assumes that when he adjusts the frequency to maximum received voltage he is getting a reflected resonance. What he is getting is a blend of both reflected and coil resonance. I'm sorry to be the one to say it, but this is a very flawed experiment.
As for longitudinal waves, I've referred to this years ago. I am most certain Tesla's longitudinal waves are electric waves. Electric waves travel great through the ground, as Tesla discovered. AM Radio waves are mostly ground waves. Electric waves through air have short legs, as Tesla discovered. Electric waves are longitudinal, as Tesla discovered. It seems like an exact match. Although it is an illusion that longitudinal waves travel faster than c because the tester needs to be certain the waves are not taking a shortcut. That's why the Borderlands coil experiment showed the illusion of faster than c, because the coil wire was not in a straight line so that it could take shortcuts between windings.
Paul Lowrance
Please don't get me wrong, I'm a firm believer there are waves that travel faster than c.
Paul Lowrance
hello Mr.Lowrance,
let me recitate from an old german "Taschenatlas"(Justus Perthes,1912),
theme:"Bemerkenswerte Geschwindigkeiten."(~" extraordinary velocities"),
m in 1 Sekunde(second)
Licht(light) 305 685 000
Elektrizitaet im Kupferdraht(electricity in copper-coil) 450 000 000
Sincerely
de Lanca
Hi Lanca,
I think only valid experiments are where the wires are in straight-line or that can guarantee the field is not crossing between windings; i.e., taking shortcut.
Computer antenna design simulations using NEC have worked wonders for decades. If the electric and magnetic fields that traversed down copper wires went faster than c then such simulations would be incorrect. Truth is the NEC simulations have correctly matched real life antennas for decades.
IMHO the only two methods of measuring faster than c is by extremely high bursts of energy and using very sensitive receivers that utilize FFT detection or by using QM Entanglement.
If anyone knows any faster than c experiments that guarantee the field is not crossing (taking shortcuts) I would very appreciate reviewing it. :)
Paul Lowrance
"taking shortcuts",
do you think about toroidal electricity,light ball ?
S
dL
Quote from: lancaIV
"taking shortcuts",
do you think about toroidal electricity,light ball ?
Wound Toroids and "ball lightning" ... what about them?
Paul Lowrance
Hallo LancaIV,
w?ren Sie so freundlich, die entscheidende Seite aus diesem Taschenatlas zu scannen und hier
hineinzustellen ? Ist da auch erw?hnt, wie das gemessen wurde ?
Ich selbst habe auch ein altes Physikbuch vor Jahren ergattert : Grimsehl Tomaschek, von 1940. Da stehen grundlegende Sachen drin, die in neuen B?chern fehlen.
Danke im Voraus
Kator01
Hey Kator,
wuerde nicht viel erbringen,da gleiche inhaltliche Information.
Die Werte stehen nur als Teile einer Auflistung verschiedener Geschwindigkeiten,
ohne naehere ,physikalische,Erklaerung !
Es handelt sich erstlinig um ein geo-physikalisches Buch,"seiner Zeit".
MfG
de Lanca
Hello Mr. Lowrance,
I did not ask about "wound toroids",but about toroidal electricity !
S
dL
Hi lancaIV,
Could you please be more specific and explain what you mean by "toroidal electricity?" One could only guess what you are trying to say. A google search on "toroidal electricity" returns just 1 result, so it's not a common term.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22toroidal+electricity%22&btnG=Google+Search
Are you referring to the induced voltage caused by a magnetic toroid? Why don't you try explaining exactly what you are trying to say beyond a few words or perhaps Kator01 could be so kind as to help us communicate? You speak German, correct?
Paul Lowrance
Hello Mr.Lowrance,
in Paris will be installed an "toroidal electricity"-Cycle
also called I.T.E.R(ex-Betatron/Stellarator/Tokamak et cetera).
S
dL
p.s.:Nicolas Constantine Christofilos,very interesting ideas
try searching for:
toroidal current
toroidal waves
toroidal system
i think you will find better results
Quote from: FreeEnergy on September 20, 2006, 03:14:06 AM
try searching for:
toroidal current
toroidal waves
toroidal system
i think you will find better results
Nope, it returns a wide range of results from transformers to waves of gas. He said it was not a wound toroid so it's just a guessing game since there is no standard definition by "toroidal electricity." If you know what he's talking could you please post a link. :)
God bless, :)
Paul Lowrance
Sorry
tesla-link is not running
40mb its load up server but 150m.com accept not to load dows (to big)
i will find other way. will send it by email if interest to someone more.
http://www.pese.150m.com/fe/index2.htm
http://www.stormloader.com/members/pese/fe/tesla/Tesla_e_books.txt
Also MUST SEE.
Dozend E-Books over Tesla Patents
Pese
http://www.stormloader.com/members/pese/fe/ german and some english ..
On my web pages I will put ideas about Tesla's work (and my own).
'Nikola Tesla and My Thoughts'
http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/index.html (http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/index.html)
Tesla waves are not longitudinal waves. They are transverse, the part that makes them appear transverse is the fact they are standing. Like everyone said, the video of those guys is wrong. They are definitely getting a capacitance effect from their bare wires being so close. Thats why when they put their hand in the way it changes. In fact, a true Tesla coil should have reduced frequency, not increasing.
I've spent alot of time investigating Tesla and reading his actual works. His magnifying transformer is nothing more than a standing wave resonant cavity operating with reactive power. In other words, its a non-radiating antenna.
People are constantly using the speed of light as the velocity to determine the frequency of their Tesla coils. This is so wrong.... so so so wrong. In honesty, it was Tesla who gave this mis perception. In patent 649,621 he says,
"the length of the wire should be approximately one-quarter of the wave length of the electric disturbance in the circuit, this estimate being based on the velocity of propagation of the disturbance through the coil itself and the circuit with which it is designed to be used."
He then gives an example where he uses the speed of light as the velocity. Well my friends, if you want to make a radiating antenna, you want the speed of the electricity to match as closely as possible to the speed of empty space (300,000,000 m/s). This is a cruel joke he played on the other researchers of the day who were copying his work (aka Marconi). He himself, did not use radiation as means to convey messages and power, he used magnetic fields.
To understand this you have to understand that there is more to resonance than just transmitting power. Many define resonance as the frequency which the maximum power is transmitted from a source to a load. This definition is wrong, just because you are at resonance does not mean you are transmitting the maximum power. You can stay in resonance while adjusting the actual power factor of your system.
Lets assume you want to transmit a signal using 6000Hz. For a radiating antenna (quarter wavelength), you would need to have a wire 7.8 miles long. But this is because I am trying to tune my antenna so that it has very little self capacitance and inductance, keeping the impedance of the line as close to 377 ohms as possible (the impedance of free space). Thus, the velocity of propagation needs to be close to 186,000 miles/sec.
However, lets say I want to make a Tesla coil (non-radiating) antenna. First we determine the capacitance and inductance needed to produce resonance at 6000Hz. We are not concerned with the velocity of free space. The formula for an oscillating circuit is F = 1/(2Ãâ,¬Ã¢Ë†Å¡LC). At 6000Hz, LC = 7.036x10^-10 (where as with the radiating antenna this value was 3.33x10^-9, or 1/c). This value of LC is what it takes for the Tesla coil to resonant. Any value of L and C will stay in resonance as long as the ratio of 7.036x10^-10 is held constant. By adjusting L and C while keeping this ratio, you in affect adjust the power factor, converting the energy placed to the antenna to real power or reactive power.
The velocity of electricity in such a non-radiating antenna is only 23.4 miles/s (37699 m/s). This is WAY slower than a typical radiating antenna. The quarter wavelength would be only 5.15ft (1.57m). The whole point in doing this is to produce wave oscillations in a single wire.
So assume you have a Tesla coil connected at the "ground" to a long wire. At the other end of the wire you place another Tesla coil tuned to the first. When a standing wave is placed in the system, the coil, being an open circuit will produce waves that travel down the wire, reach the end (top of the second receiving coil) and bounce back. The two coils make up an electrical resonance cavity much like a microwave oven or a guitar body. The voltage at the tops of each coil will build on themselves reaching some maximum. At their "ground" connections there will be a voltage node and a current anti node. This current anti node produces a huge magnetic field. This is why you find coils at the "ground" connection of a Tesla coil - to maximize on the magnetic field collection.
This in principle, is what Tesla referred to as his "single wire transmission". Once you can transmit on a single wire, you can replace the wire with the earth - for the earth is a relatively good conductor when at high voltages. The earth becomes the electrical resonant cavity (which he says alot in his literature). The waves produced in this system are not exactly "radiating" waves. They are stationary waves, 90 degrees out of phase (purely reactive). With a large transmitter they would traverse the globe. At the voltage nodes, you can collect the high magnetic field in that area either with a receiving Tesla coil (connected to the ground), or a simple LC circuit that has a relatively high quality factor (does not need a ground connection).
Hello,
Dr. Konstantin Meyl from Germany claims in one of he's writings that he can proove:
1.wireless transmission of electrical energy
2.reaction of the receiver to the transmitter
3.free energy with an over-unity-effect of about 10
4.transmission of scalar waves with 1.5*c
5.the inefficiency of Farady cage to shield scalar waves
(http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/articles/pdf/15.2_meyl.pdf (http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/articles/pdf/15.2_meyl.pdf))
all this can be prooved with his demo-set. Has anybody had the joy to test/see this Demo-Set in reality?
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.etzs.de%2Fonlineshop%2Fimages%2Fproduct_images%2Fpopup_images%2Fdemo-set.gif&hash=99c19206580745ee89e2ce19c13b92d4b90667e5)
http://www.etzs.de/onlineshop/product_info.php?products_id=6 (http://www.etzs.de/onlineshop/product_info.php?products_id=6)
Does anybody have the circuit diagrams and the dimensions of the coils?
I would be pleased to the 10* over-unity, totally!!
This "demo-set" shows everything Tesla had.
And if you have info on this, could you give the source for that too...
It's a shame that most of he's writings are German language sence I think not many of the Americans understand that either.. (me either, finnish,english&swedish)
I've never heard of him. Yea an over-unity of 10 would be great! However, I wouldn't pay money for that kit. Sounds to me like hes trying to run a scam.
I read that little paper Dr. Meyl wrote about his experiments. Unfortunately I don't think he is seeing longitudinal waves. The effects he makes are very real but he is explaining them wrong. Figure 3 is a wrong interpretation of the capacitance interaction between the transmitting and receiving Tesla coils. The electric fields will not interact like that unless very close. At a distance, they will only interact with the ground (running from the ball to the ground) - refer to my figure 1 drawing.
His LED experiment does not verify longitudinal waves, it actually verifies single wire transmission via a resonant cavity. When the transmitter LED is off, the receiver is on. The voltage and current are 90 degrees out of phase, showing that the transmitting power is mostly reactive (if it were real power, he would be losing some in radiation at the antenna and along the line - by line I mean ground). The secondary circuit of the receiver is converting this reactive power to real power, which is why he sees the LED at the receiver glowing and the LED at the transmitter off.
When he disconnects the receiver, he is cutting the ground connection, destroying the resonant cavity (the ground connection between the two antennas, and the antennas themselves, make up this resonant cavity), and shifting the phase to a real power value. When he brings the frequency down, he is finding another resonant peak where the cavity's voltage and current are in phase. This will produce radiation which can be shielded but will have the ability to power the LEDs as long as the receiver is close. Otherwise, as in the earlier case, he cannot shield the electrical wave because it is being transmitted through the ground and not through the air.
http://www.ycars.org/EFRA/Module%20C/tloc.gif
This website shows what happens when a pulse is placed on an open wire. This is basically how the electricity flows in the ground connection between both coils. However, the antennas and ground are a resonant cavity (as stated earlier) which will allow the reflected waves to bounce back and forth, adding to the incoming waves and "magnifying" the voltage of the coils. He is also wrong by saying that it is the electric field feeding the LEDs. It is really the magnetic field collected by the secondary coils of the receiver that power them.
He mentioned that the near field does explain these effects, but they cannot explain them at a distance. It is the ground connection that allows these near field effects to be transmitted to the receiver. There are no longitudinal waves here, they are transverse but are traveling in a most peculiar way.
You do not necessarily need the ground connection all the time. There are methods of collecting the power using the magnetic field of the antenna itself (through the near field if you will) without having the waves travel through the ground. You would be very restricted by the distance from the transmitter. These are accomplished by making an LC circuit with a very high quality factor. MIT is currently experimenting with this and hopes to one day allow cell phone recharging without the need to "plug in" the device. What they don't know, is this little ground line transmission trick. If you used that, then your cell phone would recharge anywhere along the ground between the two Tesla coil antennas.
You should also be able to collect energy from the earth's electrostatic field. So yes, this method could be used as a generator - and would probably be way more efficient than a solar panel, working both day and night as well!
Thanks for the explanation Charlie,
what is your explanation on the story where Tesla powered a Pierce-Arrow touring car with a free-energy. The device is described:
The box is said to have been 24 inches long, 12 inches wide and 6 inches high. Out of it protruded a 1.8 meter long antenna and two ? inch metal rods.
The full story is here:
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1062 (http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1062)
What was the function of the two metal rods? Maby those where doing something like in this unknown video:
Free energy elemental rod generator video -part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9xiGhVeLEY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9xiGhVeLEY)
Free energy elemental rod generator video -part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5DROp3F3fA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5DROp3F3fA)
Any guesses what the materials are in the rods? Other has one substance more and that makes it the positive rod.
The rods are so small, that induction is out of question. I just can't think any way that that is a hoax.
Any comments on that video? Who's the guy in the video, i'm pretty sure he's American?
That first video was funny.
"...It's just a wooden frame, with an automobile switch that turns it off and on, and I put a glass jar cover over it to protect it." So far so good. I can do this. Then, "...one compressed rod is made of 73 elements and the other is made of 74 elements." At this point, if you are not crying, you should be laughing.
Then the cameraman has this poor guy twisting and contorting all over the place so that he can get the right camera angle. When he finally gets what he wants, he can not focus the camera. What a hoot.
I can not wait to see the second half. Thanks for that! :D
Quote from: PaulLowrance on September 19, 2006, 05:57:09 PM
AM Radio waves are mostly ground waves. Electric waves through air have short legs, as Tesla discovered. Electric waves are longitudinal, as Tesla discovered. It seems like an exact match. Although it is an illusion that longitudinal waves travel faster than c because the tester needs to be certain the waves are not taking a shortcut. That's why the Borderlands coil experiment showed the illusion of faster than c, because the coil wire was not in a straight line so that it could take shortcuts between windings.
Is there a way to show longitudinal like we did with sound when we were klids?
clear plastic tube with cork sprinkled in the bottom of it and a speaker on one end playing a tone, you can see the wave as it looks like a sine wave and you can see the frequency at the zero points