Laugh at me or Join me. My Magnetic motor that I spent 10 grand on
Video is on youtube.
Hey Jesus haters try to get past the cross in the background ok? lets just talk about helping the world. Thanks!!
I get stupid comments on youtube about it, Talk about a distraction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj_A06WjlbU
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Looks like a great design. Someone here should know a lot about magnetic shielding. Butch Lafonte might be a great resource. Good luck with it, I'll track your progress.
Xaverius
I sure hope so! I think anyone can create the system I have, So so easy. I just hope for a better shielding.
Catdog, that is some nice work. I see you have included something that a lot of motor builders forget to include: a brake. That is what I like to see: confidence.
Carry on, I wish you the best of luck. Keep your fingers out of the way!
--TK
The Jesus thing is a bit heavy, though. What, free energy is only for Christians?
No arrangement of _fixed_ permanent magnets, you mean.
You need reverse-rotating, nutating stators. And magnokinetic Judson dampers to slow them just enough to allow the stationary rotor magnets to overrun slightly.
It's all in the thumb.
:-X
@catdog71
That is a very nice design and very nice work. I think shorting of opposite poles is the easiest way of attaining 100% shielding. Instead of using several strips of shielding maerial (as seen from the video) you can use a single thicker soft iron flat with extended length. On the extended portion of the flat if you keep an opposite pole, ( ie., if you want to shield north pole, you have to keep south pole on the extended portion of the flat) these opposite poles completely neutralise each other giving 100% shielding. You can easily verify it with two magnets and a soft iron flat.
Best of luck
Regards,
Vineet.K.
Quote from: catdog71 on August 23, 2012, 12:05:46 AM
Laugh at me or Join me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
EVERYONE
I am happy about the comments. Thanks! As you can see anyone can build it. If anyone has an idea on how to make it work please call or email me. I live in Bend Oregon.
If you have an idea I can go and buy the stuff and try it. If anyone wants to stop by and play with it they are welcome also. if anybody wants me to ship them the motor in the video, I can do that with a $3,000 deposit. (that how much a welder will cost me to re do it) or just make one your self.
There was a post above saying it just wont work. I can feel the difference with out the mu metal and with. Its no joke that its about 50% easier. So what if someone were to figure out the combination of metals? and redirect the field? People we cant be that far off? You can contact me through InternetJail.com Brad
Thank you!
catdog71,
Nice mechanical work. If you want to experiement with magnetic
shielding there is one thing that *will* shield magnetic fields...that
is a superconductor metal at low temperatures. Once you get to
see how it would work, if you had shielding it might make it easier
to see how to use mu-metal to obtain what you want. Just so you
understand that the reason this won't work in actual machines is
superconducting temperatures can't be used because the process
of creating low tempuratures is highly energy inefficient. But that
doesn't mean you can't try shielding out.
:S:MarkSCoffman
magnetic-shield.com
You might try aluminum strips...possibly combined with mu metal.
All the best.
Regards...
I am sorry but you have to atract and store enough energy from movement to create a magnitic field large enough to cancel the field your trying to over come.The problem thus far is that no one has been able to do so because the energy needed to over come is greater then any energy collected from free movement created. Good luck to you and keep brainstorming, you may just be the one to make it work.
Hmmm, seems I've read some theory that gravity was an effect instead of a field.
It appeared to make sense at the time...and I would have to say I am leaning in that direction.
We would need more opinions on that issue to cause me to consider altering my evolving perception of things.
So the way I look at it in the present case is that over unity is still on the court.
Regards...
I checked out the J33:3 motor....nice scriptural quote btw. So true. TK said something that was 'bound' to catch my attention:
"The Jesus thing is a bit heavy, though. What, free energy is only for Christians?"
I daresay, heavy indeed! Much heavier than the prospect of free energy under the current pseudo world regime.
Got a small tip for you 'Sermonplace'. Disconnect the vertical axle wheel from the horizontal axle wheel. Remove it entirely. Make sure the horizontal wheel is allowed to spin freely. Grab the following from Amazon or ebay:
http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Laser-Photo-Tachometer-Meter/dp/B005WLF7BE
Get a small plastic container like a film canister or a plastic egg and insert a watch battery sized NdFeB magnet, close canister and wrap with fine gauge enameled induction wire and connect each end to an LED diode. Spin the wheel up to a reasonable speed by hand, measure RPMs and place the Neo/led assembly over the rim of the wheel above the magnets, you will find the sweet spot after a few tries. Measure the exact time and RPM reading from the moment you place the Neo/LED assembly over the magnets to the time the wheel stops spinning. Now measure the time it takes the wheel to stop spinning by itself without the assembly placed at the correct distance of the wheel. After just a handful of tries, something important should quickly become obvious to you....and after a time, ideas may permeate your thinking on how to improve things.
Blessings in Christ
Think about your magnets as well and the fields they are creating.
If Lenz's Law works for copper pipe, then you should try short copper pipe lengths (closed electrical loop) to house your fixed magnets in ;)
I never had much faith in mechanical perpetual machines. The more complex they are, the more energy is lost in friction, noise, grinding, etc. I hope someone gets one working though.
I would be really surprised if this actually worked.
IMHO, the design is not that far away from other known (and failed) setups.
Yes, you can add a magnetic shield and reduce the pulling force of the sticky spot by 60% but at he same time the shield will change the pushing force (after the sticky spot) as well. The end result is that the system will simply find another resting point away from the original one but still won't work.
I based this on my experiments magnetic V-track(s) like the one on the attached picture. To overcome the sticky spot I have tried every known technique [angled magnets, mag shields, mu-metals, etc]. Sadly, no positive results to report.
I am not trying to discourage. My comments are only to help to avoid known deadends.
Who cares if it works.... it's _beautiful_ !
Very nice indeed. Thumbs up.
:)
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 24, 2012, 04:49:56 PM
Who cares if it works.... it's _beautiful_ !
Very nice indeed. Thumbs up.
:)
Thank you. However, it didn't work as I had hopped.
The gears are to connect to other 4 cylinders like this one except that they don't have a V-track but have a long magnet instead made by stacking 6 small magnets.
With the V-tack cylinder in the centre and 4 long magnet cylinders around it I'd hoped to find a timing spot for the gears where a sticky spot for one of the long magnet cylinders would be overcome by the combined power of the remaining 3. Furthermore, because they all rotate synchronously all sticky spots for every long magnet would no longer be a problem.
Since I made this I've found several timing positions for the gears where I was very close to have a self-rotating unit. However, I still don't have one.
Every time the system finds another resting place, different from the previous one.
Makes a nice toy to play with, though.
I tried out some magnets in copper pipe, as I suggested before, but they still interact through the copper. Perhaps you could fix on some steel plating in strategic positions near your magnets? Just to absorb the sticky spot. Maybe try something cheap at first, like small steel brackets or hinges, fixed on with a small strip of aluminium or plastic.
As the thickness of the steel plate increases, so does the "absorption" of the magnetism, and the magnetic effect is "steered" towards it.
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=shielding-materials (http://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=shielding-materials)
QuoteWhat material will work?
The short answer is: Any ferromagnetic metal. That is, anything containing iron, nickel or cobalt. Most steels are ferromagnetic metals, and work well for a redirecting shield....
....there are some specialized materials specifically made for magnetic shielding. The foremost of these is MuMetal, an industry reference material defined in Milspec 14411C [linked on page].
Catdog71,
First of all, do not be affected by conservative minds trying to impose unfounded negativism. We know too little about the electromagnetic field to be able to postulate any dogmatic "does not work". The idea of the magnetic field as a conservative field is just as unfounded as the same conclusion of the gravitational field. We really dont know if these are even primary force fields. Maybe they are mere secondary responses to the condition of a single all encompassing field.
We know a lot today how to use the electromagnetic field, but we still don't know what makes a piece of iron attracted to a magnet.
If you want to succeed to pass the so called sticky point apparent in your construct, you have to take several things into consideration. The solution is unfortunately not as simple as merely shielding the magnetic field. You have to deal with certain parameters inherent in the polar interdependence of magnets.
Theoretically it is fully possible to create a rerouted shortcut behind a multilayer shield system which makes the unwanted pole hidden from outer field detection. There is nothing wrong scientifically with such a theory. But to realize this in practicality is quite another story, calling for an extensive understanding of the field geometry involved in the actual case.
I am myself dedicated to a project quite closely related to your problem, and it all points towards the combination of an insulated multilayer system of conductive and diamagnetic materials, shaped in order to reroute the field exposure of the unwanted pole influence into a loop within a container. This is probably the only way to do it, since any attempts to directly suppress or shield a magnetic field polarity only results in a repositioning of the pole expression.
Don't forget that the north and south field of a magnet always are connected and that the field strength of the poles are interdependent and unseparable.
Have you tried to incorporate materials with diamagnetic properties?
A diamagnetic material when subjected to a magnetic field react by creating an opposing field.
The most diamagnetic of all known materials is the man made so called pyrolitic graphite. It creates enough counterfield strength to float above a neodynium magnet. But pyrolitic graphite alone will not do the trick even if you use thick layers of this expensive material, since you cannot supress the magnetic field, only work with it.
So if there is a way to create a vector oriented dis-equilibrium in the field strength geometry between the two poles of a magnet, it is bound to be through the geometric redesign of the magnetic field vectors in such a way that the unwanted part of the magnetic field is rerouted through a shortcut into a contained loop.
As I said, this is fully possible seen from the theoretical scientific point of view, and containers that completely keeps out magnetic fields, including the magnetic field of earth, are well known in the scientific community, and employed in research where no electromagnetic interference is allowed. What makes things complicated is when you are attempting to alter the detectable visibility of the nagnetic field polarity.
So don't give up too easy. Just keep in mind that altering the geometry of polarity-visibility is a field of knowledge where you are bound to gain a thorough understanding of the field geometry specific for the case in question. Start by bying one of those cheap three dimensional compasses used for educational purposes, they will suffice well in giving you an initial view of the field orientation.
http://www.indigo.com/magnets/magnaprobe-magnetic-field-direction.html (http://www.indigo.com/magnets/magnaprobe-magnetic-field-direction.html)
I also recommend you to gain further insight in the electromagnetic field dimension.
http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/MagParticle/Physics/MagneticMatls.htm (http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/MagParticle/Physics/MagneticMatls.htm)
Then the rest is just a lot of trial and error.
Gwandau