will this keep going perpetually?
hmmm
Why don't you try it and find out, if you can't see it just by inspection.
What are you looking at there, a couple dollars worth of glue, tubing, and discarded plastic jugs? You should be able to whip up something in an hour, to test your idea.
I'll be looking forward to your video.
(Don't forget to try different liquids. If it doesn't work with water, maybe it will work with Scotch.)
ROFL . :) Scotch .hahahaa . i like that idea . and here an addition piss .or drink the Scotch and piss .
Jk
Gadget
thanks :)
if i have time on my day off from work i will go to home depot and buy some tubes and a hot gun to glue it all together.
i don't have any plastic jars but shouldn't be hard to find, probably at the 99 cents store i can buy something.
i wouldn't use piss lol and i don't drink, anymore. i will probably try it with 100% rubbing alcohol if anything.
but really do you guys think it will work?
has anyone tried it this way before?
i don't want to waist time or money if someone already tried it and failed.
Hi Ghost . Sorry for my vulgar previous . Sometime lately my mind goes adrift and i might say something or type something wrong .I guess i was saying different Viscosity's.
If you ever had a plastic pool and you needed to dump the water you would sometimes use a piece of hose . you had to start it by a little suction to get it over the edge of the pool side and then drop the hose on the ground and it would flow .BUT if you picked it up a little higher than the water level it would stop flowing . put it lower and it would start again until it was almost empty then stop .it you picked it up higher than the side then you had to start it again to get over that "hump" .Somewhere along the line in your setup some will say it has to equal out .
think about this then get to work .
Hope this helps .
al
Forget using rubbing alcohol. That is one of the Pharma Cartels secret chemicals that sets you up to get cancer.
ok well i want to use something that evaporates easily and its not so toxic/cancerous.
what i see here is all jars puts in/out equally while it tries to balance its siphon. (im talking about the second picture because i think it will work best)
i believe the unbalanced siphon is what causes flow to happen and the system never finds a balance and keeps going, so not all jars will 'end' up having the same level of liquid. :)
well if it doesn't work (no flow of liquid) and everything stays the same as the picture show i think it will at least be a nice thermo liquid pump i guess. (geothermal?)
hmmm!? looks too simple but will it work?
i don't have high hope for this but you never know.
ghost,
When I can go to the library, I will check out your idea.
One thing that is known about syphoning is that flow will be in the direction of the lowest point that is being syphoned.
Jim
Ghost,
I just thought of something, calculate the volume for both tubes, this would be going by their actual height and not their lengths.
and make sure the larger diameter hose is in water. for testing purposes it is very important. if the greater volume of water wins out as it should, then you would need to let it' container over flow into the lower container to maintain flow.
you may know how to calculate the volume of a tube but will post it in case someone is not familiar with it. it is 3.142 (radius x radius) x height (not length).
thanks, see if any of the above ideas will work.
but why the library?
containers are equal and hoses are equal, just different water level.
one container is sealed and the other has an open top.
Water can't flow uphill, which is to say you cant make water flow from a lower level to a higher level, The outlet of the siphon must always be below the level of the water you are trying to drain.
The pipe will siphon the full container into the empty one but stop as soon as the empty one has the same water level as the now half full one. The empty or almost empty one will never discharge water into the more full one. That is unless you put the more full one below the empty one. Imagine the empty one on a shelf and the full one on the floor.
But go ahead and try it. Its a great idea and helps teach some basics of hydraulics. A length of plastic tube and some old plastic soft drink or perhaps milk containers will do.
I have spent countless hours musing over similar arrangements but could not make one work theoretically. hence never spent a cent.
Ghost,
I only have a basic smart phone.
There is one other aspect to this and that's work equals mass times distance.
where does the air go in the almost empty container?
it seems as if the air will stay in there and not leave room for extra water to come in.
so how is extras water going in to balance the system to a stop?
in Heron's fountain, the water displaces the air. with what I showed, the water spills into the chamber having water pumped out of it, the air mintains a constant pressure
i just had another crazy idea using just one container. by far the best i think.
Hello what do you think about my idea do you think that the liquid in the containers will balance on the same level or will continue to flow is it possible acording to you?
@pulp, of course water will flow here if the level is fixed. I think you want to show that the level is pivoted and its heavier side goes down; so, here the heavier side as you see is in wrong side of the level; it always gets "lower", never "higher".
pulp,
all the water containers will end up having the same level of water and the arm holding the containers will end up horizontally. will not work.
or the arm will completely tilt and water will over flow and leave you with one container full and two container empty. will no work.
sorry.
more pressure?
Quote from: Ghost on September 05, 2012, 10:27:40 AM
more pressure?
Ghost,
I like your arrangement and it could work. With the modifications I made to your drawing,
it would follow accepted emchanical principles found in any book and of which Heron's Fountain has demonstrated such principles do work.
If the water in column A is the prime mover, it would syphon water as you correctly supposed. And when column A generates sufficient air pressure, then water would be pumped into container B where a low air pressure could pump a smaller diameter column of water to your reservoir that column A is taking it's suction from.
You would need to do a little testing to find out what volumes of water and what diameter of tubes you might need but I do like your concept and think it would be awesome to see it working 8)
If you check out the video I posted, the FGolger's one, you will see one pressure head can be higher than another one. This is because the diameters of the 2 different tubes. The amount of water you see in each one is the same volume.
It's the Heron's Effect I am demonstrating in the video that would allow your design to work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6lmb1oLEo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6lmb1oLEo)
Ghost,
if you want me to help you with what you're working on, just let me know.
I just find it kind of insulting that tk would try to rip off work I've explained to him.
And what some of the people in here might miss is the patentability issue. With you, a design patent
could be possible as principles in engineering can not be patented. Besides, Heron's work is over 2,000 years old.
And even if what I've posted is patentable, you've never caused me any problems so if you can expand on what
myself or Heron have thought of, that is what it's about.
Jim
thanks for the offer to help me out, but for now i will take this on myself.
so far here's the materials i have to put this project together, all i need now is a decent jar.
my first test will be like this: http://www.overunity.com/12662/siphoned-herons-fountain/dlattach/attach/114795
then i will decide where to go from there if it doesn't work and try out my other ideas that i posted on this thread.
all i need now is a jar, something large but not so big.
Quote from: Ghost on September 05, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
thanks for the offer to help me out, but for now i will take this on myself.
so far here's the materials i have to put this project together, all i need now is a decent jar.
my first test will be like this: http://www.overunity.com/12662/siphoned-herons-fountain/dlattach/attach/114795 (http://www.overunity.com/12662/siphoned-herons-fountain/dlattach/attach/114795)
then i will decide where to go from there if it doesn't work and try out my other ideas that i posted on this thread.
all i need now is a jar, something large but not so big.
Just a friendly reminder ghost, using a barrier to seperate pressure heads to achieve a perpetual flow is my invention.
Jim
edited to add; I posted my invention on Aug. 30th. Seems a person can't get credit for anything in this forum, sheesh.
Guess there will be no need for me to post in here any more. After all, if people could make money off my idea's, free to them, right ?
i don't mind suggestions based on science.
* i'm gluing my first test run as i type... :)
* will post results soon.
QuoteI posted my invention on Aug. 30th
And I posted my Heron's Fountain video to YouTube that you CLAIM stole your idea.... on August 24th.
And I posted my first Heron's Fountain video on August 21st.
first test for: http://www.overunity.com/12662/siphoned-herons-fountain/dlattach/attach/114795
i just came back from the pool, sorry test result failed miserably!
there was no water flow :(
moving on to my other ideas, then johnny874's suggestion for my idea.
until next time folks!
bye
ghost,
using 2 different size tubes to create a difference in height which allows work to be performed is my invention.
should matter to you but it doesn't.
In case you're wondering, my invention uses the principle of pressure heads. A principle can not be patented but how they are used can be.
Quote from: johnny874 on September 05, 2012, 03:44:51 PM
ghost,
using 2 different size tubes to create a difference in height which allows work to be performed is my invention.
should matter to you but it doesn't.
In case you're wondering, my invention uses the principle of pressure heads. A principle can not be patented but how they are used can be.
ghost,
Do you know one of the reasons why I have usually posted about donating the patent rights ? It was to try and prevent what is happening now. If people want charity then they should be willing to show some or I would think.
With the invention I posted, it works because the 2 different pressure heads are seperated. If they weren't, they both would have the same forces acting on them and balance out. This is one reason nobody has realized what I have before.
as for tinselkoala, he's out for himself and has a lot of support. some people don't like other being being successful.
johnny874
i will go head and try this http://www.overunity.com/12662/siphoned-herons-fountain/dlattach/attach/114800 on my next test :D
going to sleep now.
bye
Quote from: Ghost on September 05, 2012, 04:30:55 PM
johnny874
i will go head and try this http://www.overunity.com/12662/siphoned-herons-fountain/dlattach/attach/114800 (http://www.overunity.com/12662/siphoned-herons-fountain/dlattach/attach/114800) on my next test :D
going to sleep now.
bye
C'est la vie.
failed! :(