http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0wpz_GtcyU
A presentation on the ethical solutions and health benefits of veganism by James Wildman of the Animal Rights Foundation of Florida (ARFF). The presentation was taped before a class at a Broward County high school in April 2012. The goal of ARFF's Humane Education program is to encourage a sense of personal responsibility toward animals and the planet, to empower young people to make conscious, compassionate choices, and to encourage critical thought.
there is nothing 'ethical' nor 'compassionate' about killing plants and eating their reproductive organs...
@Wilby: if you eat an apple you don't kill the tree. If you eat a steak, you do kill the animal. See the difference?
Myth 1: You need meat to get enough protein!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFU7CfJC0XE&feature=channel&list=UL
Brenda Davis spoke to nutrition students and interested public at the University of Alberta regarding myths surrounding the vegan diet. In this video, she deals with the first myth regarding the need to eat meat for protein.
Myth 2: Fish is necessary for omega-3 fatty acids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyA2VwcRFWw&feature=BFa&list=ULjFU7CfJC0XE
Brenda Davis spoke to nutrition students and interested public at the University of Alberta regarding myths surrounding the vegan diet. In this video, she deals with the second myth regarding the need to eat fish for omega-3 fatty acids.
Myth 3: The lack of B12 in plants is proof that we need to eat meat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYPhmjJ5A8Q&feature=BFa&list=ULdyA2VwcRFWw
Brenda Davis spoke to nutrition students and interested public at the University of Alberta regarding myths surrounding the vegan diet. In this video, she deals with the third myth regarding the lack of B12 in plant foods as a proof that humans need to eat meat.
Myth 4: You need milk to get enough calcium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p71zouVpjbQ&feature=BFa&list=ULjFU7CfJC0XE
Brenda Davis spoke to nutrition students and interested public at the University of Alberta regarding myths surrounding the vegan diet. In this video, she deals with the fourth myth that you need to consume milk to get sufficient calcium in your diet.
Myth 5: Plant enzymes are of no value to human health
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh6C5C0XZd4&feature=BFa&list=ULp71zouVpjbQ
Brenda Davis spoke to nutrition students and interested public at the University of Alberta regarding myths surrounding the vegan diet. In this video, she deals with the fifth myth that plant enzymes are not useful in the human diet.
Myth 6: Cooked foods are toxic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GKB22iwOzc&feature=BFa&list=ULjh6C5C0XZd4
Brenda Davis spoke to nutrition students and interested public at the University of Alberta regarding myths surrounding the vegan diet. In this video, she deals with the seventh myth that cooked foods are toxic. This refers to issues brought up by raw foodists.
Myth 7: Soy foods are dangerous for your health
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoMlSYkdL1Y&feature=BFa&list=UL0GKB22iwOzc
Brenda Davis spoke to nutrition students and interested public at the University of Alberta regarding myths surrounding the vegan diet. In this video, she deals with the seventh myth that soy foods are dangerous for your health.
Myth 8: There are no bad foods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwKvFNLeAWg&feature=BFa&list=ULxoMlSYkdL1Y
Brenda Davis spoke to nutrition students and interested public at the University of Alberta regarding myths surrounding the vegan diet. In this video, she deals with the eighth and final myth that there are no bad foods, and that you only need to consume all foods in moderation.
Ghost
Is there another myth?? the one where if it tastes really good and you want it really Bad...
its Bad for you??
Who's got the catchup???
any hoo
thx for the topic ,I used to listen to a man Gary Null [very cool nutrition guy in the USA]on the radio all the time...
these days I think I need to listen a little closer , the way we are eating in some parts of the world is killing us.
thx
Chet
Quote from: gauschor on September 15, 2012, 01:18:26 PM
@Wilby: if you eat an apple you don't kill the tree. If you eat a steak, you do kill the animal. See the difference?
don't be asinine... ::) if you harvest a carrot does it not kill the plant? and when you harvest corn do you not kill the plant? and potatoes? and wheat, and oats, etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseam. ::)
what i "see"... is you cherrypicking... ::)
@ghost,
The real justification of many for killing animals for food is "might is right".
We live by the same values we bring in to the world so "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword"
The law of karma will have to be fulfilled by all.
The brutality we see in the world is a reflection of what we are propagating.
Just don't get involved with people who believe eating an apple is the same as killing it.
Question
Do plants have a nervous system?
I'm vegan and when people ask me why i think its not wrong to "kill" a plant, i always say because they don't feel, they don't cry, they don't have a brain ect... and they always say something like "well how do you know they don't feel pain, how do you know they don't cry"...
i would assume it comes down to the fact that plants don't have a nerv system...?
Additional Details
i'm ok with killing microscopic animals with every breath i take because its natural. unlike torturing a cow for food.
Answer
plants do not have a nervous system. they have a system of hormones, methylxanthines, alkaloids ect. that allow them to respond to the changing environment, including when they are damaged they release a large amount of proline. the difference between eating plants and animals is that we must eat plants to survive and we do not need animals or their products to survive. i think it is very obvious that animals are more sentient than a plant. you can torture a cow, a plant however has no cognition of this. and dont feel guilty for killing microbes because well...they arent animals. they are prokaryotes. animals are in their own kingdom, vastly more evolved and derived than prokaryotic bacteria. so no you arent being a hypocrite, the people who say that just need to brush up on their taxonomy before throwing stones.
Reference: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080304164624AApYZF5 <---more answers found here.
Quote from: Ghost on September 17, 2012, 04:56:55 AM
Question
Do plants have a nervous system?
I'm vegan and when people ask me why i think its not wrong to "kill" a plant, i always say because they don't feel, they don't cry, they don't have a brain ect... and they always say something like "well how do you know they don't feel pain, how do you know they don't cry"...
i would assume it comes down to the fact that plants don't have a nerv system...?
Additional Details
i'm ok with killing microscopic animals with every breath i take because its natural. unlike torturing a cow for food.
Answer
plants do not have a nervous system. they have a system of hormones, methylxanthines, alkaloids ect. that allow them to respond to the changing environment, including when they are damaged they release a large amount of proline. the difference between eating plants and animals is that we must eat plants to survive and we do not need animals or their products to survive. i think it is very obvious that animals are more sentient than a plant. you can torture a cow, a plant however has no cognition of this. and dont feel guilty for killing microbes because well...they arent animals. they are prokaryotes. animals are in their own kingdom, vastly more evolved and derived than prokaryotic bacteria. so no you arent being a hypocrite, the people who say that just need to brush up on their taxonomy before throwing stones.
Reference: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080304164624AApYZF5 <---more answers found here.
i see... so you only have issues with taking the life of fuzzy furry things with 'eyes' and 'ears'... but any other life form is insignificant... ::)
your hypocrisy nourishes me... ::)
and yahoo 'answers' like that one... are nothing more than opinions. tu stultus es!
"Cleve Baxter described a number of experiments that he conducted with plants, testing their response to various stimuli. In many cases, the plants were attached to a polygraph (lie-detector), which measured the electrical impulses of their leaves. While the plants did respond with high levels of stress to certain events, they tended to react most strongly to wanton destruction such as an experimenter smashing or setting fire to an entire plant. Little response was recorded in relation to less dramatic acts like pulling off a few leaves. This research suggests that plants may feel something like pain, fear, or at least discomfort in certain cases. "
there... you've been refuted with ACTUAL experiments. go and falsify them if you want any consideration for your asinine opinion that only fuzzy furry life should be respected... ::)
now you're just putting words in my mouth. i never said other life forms are insignificant...
besides, "the difference between eating plants and animals is that we must eat plants to survive and we do not need animals or their products to survive."
also, nobody here is forcing you to become a vegan. this is for educational purposes to inform people. if you dont like it then dont partake and go on about your life, if you like eating meat then that's on you.
VEGETABLE RIGHTS AND PEACE!!!
Quote from: Ghost on September 17, 2012, 07:03:07 AM
now you're just putting words in my mouth.
"the difference between eating plants and animals is that we must eat plants to survive and we do not need animals or their products to survive."
no. i'm not. that's what you said... don't be asinine. your entire post was some asinine justification for killing life because it doesn't have a nervous system that feels pain... and i'm educating people too... to the lies and misrepresentations you vegans attempt. such as your gross hyperbole where you claim "cow torture"... while ripping carrots out of the ground, killing them and chopping them into little pieces... ::)
Quote from: Ghost on September 17, 2012, 04:56:55 AM
i always say because they don't feel, they don't cry, they don't have a brain ect...
i'm ok with killing microscopic animals with every breath i take because its natural. unlike torturing a cow for food.
you're a hypocrite... you either respect life, ALL LIFE, or you do not. it's that simple. and if you attempt to foist your hypocritical, subjective norms upon others... i will call you out on them.
you vegans are as pretentious and sanctimonious as christians are... ::)
review my last post here.
also, im done with you.
have a nice day :D
VEGETABLE RIGHTS AND PEACE!!!
organic foods are evil
to those of you who think organic produce is more pure, more wholesome than mass-produced produce, i say shame on you. IT IS STILL PRODUCE!!!
how can you fail to realize that it matters not whether the poor vegetable has been genetically altered or hormonally invigorated â€" what matters is whether the poor thing has been sliced up by a cruel harvesting device of some sort or ripped from it’s life-sustaining roots by some other evil machine.
if you must consume a plant or plant part, please do not support harvesting! instead, pick up a piece of fallen fruit beneath a majestic apple tree and consume it for your renewed energy ONLY AFTER first paying homage to the mother tree with a moment of silence (no less than ten minutes since you are eating her reproductive organs) and then an oath of pure intention to the child fruit itself.
OATH OF PURE INTENTION
O ___________ (insert fruit name like “appleâ€),
before i consume your peaceful, resting, rotting flesh,
please accept my humble vow to forever watch over
your magnificent mother tree and all her celestial
child fruit.
i am dedicated â€" heart, soul, and mind â€" to the eternal
cause of righteousness that is the protection of all
fruits and vegetables from the evil killers â€" your hunters -
herbivores and omnivores. our mutual friends, the
carnivores, we also honor at this time for their tireless
effort in the cause of your protection. may i always
stay true to the cause!
i see where he gets it from.
http://www.vegetablecruelty.com/2007/04/03/organic-foods-are-evil
wow, lol ::)
Quote from: Ghost on September 17, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
i see where he gets it from.
http://www.vegetablecruelty.com/2007/04/03/organic-foods-are-evil
wow, lol ::)
yup... see how asinine your position is when mirrored back to you... probably not ::)
i will be posting more vid here guys. enjoy :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-F8whzJfJY
Quote from: Ghost on September 19, 2012, 06:24:02 AM
i will be posting more vid here guys. enjoy :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-F8whzJfJY
stupid is as stupid does...
Well there's some truth to the video, but I wouldn't agree with everything he said. The comparison with dog milk fails in a way, as does the "dead meat". As he is implying we are eating rotten meat, he obviously forgot the existence of freezers. He should then compare this with eating rotten vegetables which would have the same impact on an organism.
I certainly agree it would be better for animals if people would eat less flesh. There are enough people who can't live without a piece of meat every day. Getting vegan is therefore not a process one can accomplish from one day to another. It takes time. And if you do not know which products to eat instead you might end up the same malnourished way like someone eating meat all day.
I am amazed what good products you can get over here in the UK.
Try "meat free burgers" from the supermarket chain TESCO !
And not expensive !
In Germany we don´t get these unfortunately and in Germany such veggie food is also much more expensive.
They taste very good and also Linda McCartney products are great, all meat free.. !
If you eat these, you don´t need any real meat anymore...
Regards, Stefan.
@gauschor
i think what he meant was that when you eat meat, even freshly cooked meat it stays in your body long enough to start rotting because its not being digested property like in a meat eating animal. meat eating animals have short intestines and digestion is made for meat, we are not.
now about the milk, well milk is milk and it is meant for the animal's offspring, why would you want to steal their milk? anyway meat digestion and milk consumption goes deeper than this, i suggest you do more research.
@hartiberlin
well here in the usa its expensive, you can buy a double cheese burger at a fast food place for $.99 centers, and a small salad for $3.99 and its most likely not organic.
most organic/non organic grocery stores are expensive as well, maybe its just the city and state im in.
so you're vegan? vegetarian?
Vegan Food Pyramid - Explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO9hLpCRMsI
Top 10 Vegan Beers for St. Patrick's Day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwsrPPFMHdg