Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
I have created a free AC & DC power unit that can be used as a home generator that can also propel a riding lawn motor, golf-carts, boat motor, and a car.
This unit initially starts using a 12v deep cycle batt. The start juice is instantly replaced and the system then converts to it's own power source that powers itself. After the initial start, the battery is no longer used until next start. I have been using this system for close to a year now to power my home. I have no electric bills. Everything is powered by my unit. I also have unit replicas powering my golf cart, my boat and my vw bug. Obliviously the golf cart, boat and car has additional components but the components are extended off the main unit itself.
I have done an extensive 4 month search of the uspto.gov and discovered my unit is potentially eligible for 13 patents.
My question is, how long should I run this unit non stop before applying for these patents. Is there a certain duration of test time before filing for patents?
It's been almost a year of testing. I have loads of test data, pictures and video to prove it's usefulness and free power factors.
Welcome to the forum. First , this is an open source forum. Second, unless you have unlimited financial resources, do not waste your time even thinking about a patent. If you are granted a patent, at enormous expense, it is just a license to have your idea ripped off by big corporations. You will then have to defend your idea in court numerous times.At your own expense. Thirdly, this is an extraordinary claim . Show us your extraordinary proof.
Sorry but we have all been had too many times before. Good luck with that.
Neptune is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. To read some horror stories, click on the Link below:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7iF7HlVQIH4APz5XNyoA?p=patent%20theft%20by%20corporations&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701 (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7iF7HlVQIH4APz5XNyoA?p=patent%20theft%20by%20corporations&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701)
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If you have what you claim, there are other ways to profit from your invention. No one on this forum would deny you right to profit from your invention. If you are interested in other strategies, just ask.
Everyone was correct. Thank you for the imput. I checked with my patent lawyer and he confirmed the claims of big company thiefs. You know, I started this venture to get back at the big oil companies who are puting us in the poor house. And my invention whether it ever goes main stream or not will not get back at these companies if I just sit on this thing in private. Of course I would like riches and fame. I created a great, useful product. I deserve it right? Of course I do. But I think the best way to let the big companies hear my voice by making my voice louder. I think the best way will be to share my product to whomever wants to listen and get constructive input from others and possibly improve what I have. Team work. The more eyes and ears there are, the better and more useful the product right? Right!
So this is what I am going to do if I get enough people interested. I will Layout everything I have done this far and we can all examine it as a think tank and you can build your own but have to promise to share any and all improvements or uses for this setup. I will share all the parts, data I have, pictures and videos on the gen itself. I say the gen because the gen itself is the main componet. Build this and the sky is the limit for uses. How many of you are on board? The more there are the more beneficial it will be at the end for all of us. Also, whom ever builds and uses my idea MUST credit me as the creator. Agreed? Let mje know and we can get started. I open to your questions now.
Thanks
Hi Inventacom,
Welcome to the forum.
You could look into putting it up on Kickstarter then when you get enough funding you can release it. You could also sell books and kits for it if you want to monetize it yet still keep it accessible to builders.
http://www.kickstarter.com/
Sounds like an excellent plan. I for one would send you a nice donation if it turned out to be able to power my home or car from it. And for those less technically able I'm sure you could sell such an item for a nice profit to others. Here is a very good read on how not to do things titled How they went wrong - Energy Inventors: http://panacea-bocaf.org/howtheywentwrong.htm (http://panacea-bocaf.org/howtheywentwrong.htm)
Having it open source is a way to protect yourself as well as keeping big companies from patenting it. Everything done here can be used as an official record of your work. I'm in.
At this point since you may have the attention of some who would try to stop this -- and most people know they are lurking on the Internet - especially around here -- the best thing you can do would be to detail the setup as much as possible so there will be hundreds here who know in short order and thousands before long if this looks feasible to the people here. Beware that even if this is a great invention there will likely be some on here (some known trolls) who will try to say it's fake or worthless no matter what the greater consensus is. By having a large number of people aware of the important details of it you protect yourself from those who might try to find and stop you. I don't want to scare you but as you can see from the Panacea article there have been many who likely had successful inventions that were prevented from getting into the hands of the public by one means or another. The world really really needs something like this now. There are actually a number of inventions/discoveries holding great promise that have come out lately (LENR or E-Cat by Rossi and several other large companies, Quenco - see quentron.com or message thread here as well as possible Keshe foundation concepts plus others hold some promise).
My question would be to ask for a basic explanation if possible of what is at the core of how this produces power. Maybe an overview of the basic components. Pictures are greatly appreciated by everyone here too. Thank you for bringing this here.
Quote from: e2matrix on September 16, 2012, 05:09:31 PM
Sounds like an excellent plan. I for one would send you a nice donation if it turned out to be able to power my home or car from it. And for those less technically able I'm sure you could sell such an item for a nice profit to others. Here is a very good read on how not to do things titled How they went wrong - Energy Inventors: http://panacea-bocaf.org/howtheywentwrong.htm
Having it open source is a way to protect yourself as well as keeping big companies from patenting it. Everything done here can be used as an official record of your work. I'm in.
ditto
You cannot patent "Free Energy Devices" Period .Put it here open source .Even the Smartest people know anyone can make a Claim that they have a 'Generator that runs itself and power my home" We have heard stuff like this for over 100 years and none have proved it .Remember the Australian Inventor AND Lutec ,no longer exist . First make some videos and snapshots . Lets see it at the very minimum .. Second Sell them IF you can make more than one.Third . Share your Invention's Build information if you really want to Use your gift for the Betterment of man. If you do all three you will be Worthy ,Respected , Rich , and Happy that You and you alone solved all our Energy problems . Otherwise it all will be Whisked away like all the other False Promises
.You do have a Camera Don't you ? All that Money your saving from no light bill , and No gas is 1000's of dollars in savings a month alone for Energy which is where the "BIG OIL COMPANIES" got us all .
Gadget
I see inventacom was logged in today recently. It would be good to hear some more from him. Otherwise I'm going to feel like I'm once again in one of those "Let's see how they react to this" test scenario's ... or for whatever reason a new distraction is thrown into the info stream.
Yes gadget he said above he has pictures and video of it so he's certainly got a camera. He's already opened the Pandora's box (meaning the PTB who would try to stop any of this) so it would be best to get the info out while the gettin's good. ;)
e2matrix ditto .If he logged on then i would think he would pick up his thread .
Good points.
Hi all. Look at the thread yesterday to see who might be interested. I didn't respond as I was awaiting a call from my lawyer about my intensions here. Although he was completely against the whole idea, it's ultimately not up to him. I am preparing images to post for sharing. I will have them uploaded be this evening and share for comments and questions.
I understand you may have all heard my claim by others many times. But relax folks. I am not asking anyone for anything nor am i selling you anything. I came here for answers only. So lighten up on me with the negative comments until you find out otherwise. Please don't judge based on other people. This was alot of work, time and money for me. I offered to share only to make what I have greater. No more. I'm not claiming that I'm changing the world. You guys may look at what I have and realize it could be done differently or whatever. The only claim I made was I currently power my house and have other projects using my device and don't use combustables and keeps the power going withing it's circle to power what I need. To give me a break and lets get started. OK? Thanks
@inventacom:
I'm looking forward to what you have to share with us.
And you are correct in that we've observed quite a few "claims" that wind up not coming through under examination. . . . . a person finally gets a little disappointed in not find success after all of the collective years, money and effort invested in the search.
I would like to hope that you come through :)
truesearch
@Inventacom. I was the first to reply to your initial post, and I may have come across as somewhat harsh. My intention was not to discourage you, But to open your eyes to the possible problems you may face. To your credit, you seem to have taken notice. I am sure that all members here will be interested to see what you have discovered. I personally have wasted hundreds of man hours on projects that turned out to be fakes. I wish I could understand the mentality of such people. My wish is that you receive whatever credit and rewards that you deserve.
Inventacom, If this is possible to replicate by even a couple people here it will have everyone here working to replicate it. That can be a huge help for you in selling plans to build this or even the device itself. It's a very very small percent of the general public that is even aware of this site and most people think free energy or overunity or even low cost power generation is ALL fake. We often get people showing up here asking about Magnetgen.com or teslasecrets.com or other scams that sell expensive plans to build something that simply can't work to supply real world usable power. However if someone comes here asking about your device and there is even one or two working replications your plan sales or other ways of making money from it could take off like wildfire. You can bet with the cost of gas and power today that friends will tell friends will tell friends if something really works.
One other thing that has not been mentioned yet is the official SAWS memo from the U.S. Patent Office. The text of it is below (it was OCR'd so may not be perfect) and a copy of the official document in PDF with letterhead and seal is attached below. It is important to read to understand why a patent is a very bad idea for multiple reasons.
Text:
"UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
DATE: March 27, 2006
TO: TC 2800 managers
FROM: Janice A. Falcone, Group Director
Sharon Gibson, Group Director
Robert Oberleitner, Group Director
Richard K. Seidel, Group Director
Arthur Grimley, Acting Group Director
Commissioner for Patents
United States Patent and Trademark Ofï€ce
P.O. Box 1450
Alexandria, VA 22313-1450
SUBJECT: Reminder on TC 2800 Guidelines for Sensitive Application Warning System
- - (SAWS) Program Reminder
This is to remind our personnel that Technology Center 2800 has in place a SAWS program
based on the following guidelines. All TC 2800 managers must remind their examiners of this
program and its implementation.
T Attached is the updated TC 2800 SAWS program. Please review and disseminate.
UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
Commissioner for Patents
United States Patent and Trademark Ofï€ce
P0 BOX 1450
Alexandria, VA 22313-1450
www.uspto.gov
SPECIAL APPLICATION WARNING SYSTEM
(SAWS)
Technology Center 2800
March 27, 2006
I. PROGRAM OVERVIEW:
The SAWS program was designed to assist in processing of patent applications identified as
claiming subject matter of special interest that, if issued, would potentially generate high
publicity or would potentially have a strong impact in the patent community. It is also an
information gathering system to apprise various segments ofthe USPTO ofthese patent
applications.
This program applies to all pending applications and reexamination proceedings (reexams).
' As a program to assist in processing of patent applications and patents undergoing
reexamination, it is intended to ensure that the examination standards and guidelines are applied
properly to such applications and reexams that include sensitive or noteworthy subject matter.
As an information gathering system, the SAWS program should identify applications and
reexams that, if issued as a patent or reexamination certificate, would be controversial or
. noteworthy. A '
The initial identiï€cation of SAWS applications/reexams is performed by the examiners (may
also include managers and classiï€ers). Therefore, it is important that examiners stay informed
about this program and the identiï€cation criteria. '
Independent of the SAWS program, examiners are encouraged to bring to their
supervisor's attention any application/reexam that raises issues that they are uncertain
how to handle. Supervisors are responsible for determining which applications/reexams
proceed through the SAWS program versus those applications/reexams having other issues ~
which are normally addressed by existing examination procedures and established
examination/re-examination guidelines. '
11. OPERATIONAL OVERVIEW:
TC 2800 handles the SAWS program based upon a tiered process-of application/reexams
identiï€cation. This process relies on Examiners and SPEs to identify these applications/reexams, _
and a SAWS screening committee to verify their status. The SAWS screening committee
comprises the home SPE, at least one of the following managers in the TC 2800 Quality Center:
Management Guidelines for Sensitive Application Warning System (SAWS) Program
. - 2 -
Cassandra Spyrou, Clayton LaBalle and Hien H. Phan, and another TC 2800 management
ofï€cial.
Applications/Reexams which have been identiï€ed and veriï€ed as containing SAWS material are
reported the TC Directors, and as needed, a SAWS memorandum is forwarded to the Deputy
Commissioner for Patent Operations and the Deputy Commissioner for Patent Examination
Policy prior to allowance or forwarded to the Board of Patent Appeals and Interferences (BPAI)
when an appeal is forwarded to the jurisdiction of the BPAI.
A. Technology Center 2800 Practice:
1. Examiners are the ï€rst line of review since they are the most knowledgeable about the
pending claims and application/reexamination issues. Examiners will report potential SAWS
applications/reexams to their SPE. Upon approval of the SPE, the case will be brought by the
SPE to Clayton LaBalle, Cassandra Spyrou or Hien H. Phan for entering the SAWS
l application/reexam number into the TC 28 00 tracking system.
2. Flagging an identiï€ed SAWS application/reexam in PALM to ensure that the
application/reexam cannot be allowed or an NIRC issued until the ï€,ag has been removed.
3. TC 2800 has established a screening mechanism to remove nonâ€"SAWS applications/reexams
from their SAWS designation. This screening mechanism permits a second review and will
result in a recommendation as to whether the application/reexam contains SAWS subject A
matter. The SAWS screening committee will perform the second screening review.
4. Applications/reexams that have been through the TC screening mechanism and have been
identiï€ed as SAWS applications/reexams will be brought to the attention of the TC
Directors. The TC Director will bring them to the attention of the Deputy Commissioner for
Patent Operations and the Deputy Commissioner. for Patent Examination Policy.
5. For uniformity and process improvements, a SPRE, QAS, or a SAWS TC-screening
committee must be utilized. A SPRE, QAS, or a ‘SAWS TC-screening committee will be
tasked to periodically review the SAWS processing guidelines and criteria to continually
update and revise the program as needed.
6. Placing a PALM Flag on subject classes, which encompass sensitive subject matter until a
review ofthese cases is performed upon allowance (such as business methods, class 705).
7. A reminder and a11 updated SAWS criteria list will be distributed, at least semi-annually, to
examiners to stress the importance of SAWS application identification. All newly hired
examiners should be made aware of this TC 2800 SAWS program
Management Guidelines for Sensitive Application Warning System (SAWS) Program
B. Subject matter of special interest in TC 2800
1. Perpetual motion machines; classes 310 and 290%
2. Anti-gravity devices
3. Room temperature superconductivity; class 310
4. Free energy â€" Tachyons, etc.
5. Gain-Assisted Superluminal Light Propagation (faster than the speed of light); class 702, 359
6. Other matters that violate the general laws of physics; classes 73, 290.
7. Applications containing claims to subject matter which, if issued, would generate
unfavorable publicity for the USPTO, class 84, 702.
8. Reexamination proceedings involving patents in litigation and:
The court decision/verdict is subject to review by the Supreme Court
The court decision includes high monetary awards .
The technology and companies involved would likely generate high publicity
C. Corps-wide Potential SAWS"subject Matter ~
1. Applications with a very old effective fling date (pre-Gatt -- before June 8, 1995) with
broad claim scope.
2. Application with pioneering scope.
3. Applications dealing with inventions that, if issued, would potentially generate extensive
publicity.
4. Applications with objectionable or derogatory subject matter,
5. Applications with inventions that would harm people or the environment, compromise
national security or public safety.
6. Directors Ordered reexams except those ordered due to failure to considered timely ï€led
prior art or due to prior art citation under 37 CPR §1.50 1."
One thing that went over well with me is the guy who made an implicit agreement that my
sensitivity to understanding his new method or device should be contingent on my supplying
10% of all future monetary profits made using his plans to a Children’s Charity of my choice.
That really affected me and I was ready to do it, until he asked for an e-mail address,
but I can’t think of a better way for asking for a person to give back for something
whose value they can’t readily currently evaluate… A number of people probably are
out for thievery but not everyone is, and the people you *want* to deal with are not.
Once you get the “ideas†out of the way, the *production* part of a device is still
patentable, that is you still have a right to protect your particular product design but
with limited “claimsâ€. Almost every idea known to man has some sort of alternative
development history.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Inventacom . Please Don't take me as negative .I see you do understand . You have the Floor sir and our attention with open arms ,puppy dog eyes and Slobber dripping out the side of Mouthes :)
gadget
gadgetmall.
I do understand that some people want to be noticed even if they try to offer someone else's stuff as their own and the major let downs after discovery what they had to offer was fake. For me, I have better things to do with my time, then to waste my time and others. I just want to take my working model and make it awesome. You know, in my very first post, all I asked was how long I should runn and test it before moving forward. That's it. I'm not claiming to know it all or have the technology our government has in the famous area 51. Hell, I don't even claim to be smarter than anyone else or pretend I know what people say when they refer to certain things. I am just a modest, back yard inventor who spends his time trying to make what I have better. I don't spend hour after hour try to replicate their stuff. I take a problem, search my sheds, auto junk yards and other junkyards in search for things I think might do the job I need it to do. I have screwed up often and spend many sleepness nights racking my brains to solve an issue and I work on it until I find something to work. NO! my setup is not complicated to me and It probably won't be to anyone else. Most of the worlds greats ideas came from someone in a garage at home. That's all I am fellows. I am willing to share it to pull together people who might know more than I and improve what I already have working. I am a simple man and I ALWAYS think out of the box and simplify it. Not here for judgement. Just help and for the help, You get your own working model if you chose to build it. I have many many different professional trades under my belt and I am very good at all of them. I was a handyman for the last 15 years. Nothing I can't build whether it's AC, DC, wood, automotive, small engine and so on. Lets get a think tank together and move forward. OK? everyone in?
I have uploaded the first images of my generator to my computer. How can I display them to you guys without these images instantly going worldwide on googles images? I also have video. Same ting applies. I am willing to share with you guys but not the world right now. I want only those of us in this forum to participate. Tell me how I can do this and we can get started right away. Thanks
Quote from: inventacom on September 18, 2012, 06:07:21 PM
I have uploaded the first images of my generator to my computer. How can I display them to you guys without these images instantly going worldwide on googles images? I also have video. Same ting applies. I am willing to share with you guys but not the world right now. I want only those of us in this forum to participate. Tell me how I can do this and we can get started right away. Thanks
The only way is to email them, or host them on a site and pm the links to those you wish to see it (and trust they wont share them).
Inventacom - sounds good. As far as uploading I would suggest uploading them here in a .zip file and put a password on it. Share the password here in this thread. Google won't put 2 and 2 together with their image bots nor do they download the zip files here. Depending on the size of the files you may upload them as an attachment in this thread or may if they are bigger have to go to the Downloads section of the forum. Just click on the Downloads link near the top of the page and pick which section applies to upload files (pics, vid's, docs, etc.) Stefen does seem to have a limit of video file size that seems too small but you might try a bigger one anyway or ask about an exception. Other possiblities are to upload to many of the free file sharing sites. Sendspace.com is one that's easy. rapidshare.com is fairly easy too if you make an account (free). Just put up any files with a password zipped up and just post the password here.
Quote from: Drak on September 18, 2012, 06:12:37 PM
The only way is to email them, or host them on a site and pm the links to those you wish to see it (and trust they wont share them).
Yes, it is a good possibility. Here is a link to upload files to and include e-mail addresses of those you wish to send the file. The site stores the files for one week, then they delete it. I recommend using password protected ZIP files to upload and you tell the password to who you wish. Of course this needs you to know the correct e-mail addresses of the members here.
this the site http://www.mammutmail.com/en/
Of course there maybe simpler solutions, other members here may be able to advise something simpler.
rgds,
Gyula
If i was you inventacom I would first get a Dropbox account for free at www.dropbox.com (http://www.dropbox.com) . Then you have a private place to put things / Then if you choose to share the link you can do it one of two ways . By email or By PM private message /beside each member there is a PM symbol that looks like a quote cloud.. That way only the people here can see it and so you choose for us only to look at them then i will not share them without your permission ..
Hi Invetacom,
Please count me in on anything you wish to share.
Only too happy to attempt a replication and on going optimisation of any idea.
Regards, Penno
You can always zip the images and place in the download section of this site. Only registered users of this site can download the information. I would hate to shut out some of the great builders on this site by making it too difficult to get to the information, while I also understand your concern.
Video can be posted privately on YouTube and then share the link with those you trust. It can be removed at any time you wish.
You have really peaked my interest with your posts, count me in.
Brad S
Thank you for all the great tips.
I want to have open descusion here on the board to involve everyone.
So this is what I think I would like to do:
Everyone have all open descussions pertaining to the project here on the board so everyone can see everyone's ideas and inputs.
Everyone who is interested in recieving the images, videos and data in pdf please send me an email letting me know you are interested in participating as a team.
I will come to the board and share everything thing else. Will use email to zip everyone in our team images, videos, etc.
my email is inventacom at embarqmail dot com. I wrote this email out this way to help keep down the spam bots that search for email address.
If nothing else, I ask that everyone who joins me give credit where credit is due. That's all I ask. And please don't share the attachments I share with you with anyone else who is not participating with our team here.
Thank you everyone. We are make a great team. I will give everyone a chance to join in my sending me an email of interest. I will reply to your mail with the attachments and after reviewing them, you all come back to this discussion board and begin with your findings and ideas. Thank you for understanding how important this is to me. Like I explained earlier. I just have so much time, money and lots and lots of headaches invested. Hope you understand
I will await our team emails of intrest now.
Thanks
Inventacom i understand headaches. Just got my Ebill from progress energy . Did you receive my email ?
Hmm...Ok then . Well just have to wait but..... i soooo feel like a sitting Duck .
gadget ..
Quote from: inventacom on September 18, 2012, 07:37:26 PM
Thank you for all the great tips.
I want to have open descusion here on the board to involve everyone.
So this is what I think I would like to do:
Everyone have all open descussions pertaining to the project here on the board so everyone can see everyone's ideas and inputs.
Everyone who is interested in recieving the images, videos and data in pdf please send me an email letting me know you are interested in participating as a team.
I will come to the board and share everything thing else. Will use email to zip everyone in our team images, videos, etc.
my email is inventacom at embarqmail dot com. I wrote this email out this way to help keep down the spam bots that search for email address.
If nothing else, I ask that everyone who joins me give credit where credit is due. That's all I ask. And please don't share the attachments I share with you with anyone else who is not participating with our team here.
Thank you everyone. We are make a great team. I will give everyone a chance to join in my sending me an email of interest. I will reply to your mail with the attachments and after reviewing them, you all come back to this discussion board and begin with your findings and ideas. Thank you for understanding how important this is to me. Like I explained earlier. I just have so much time, money and lots and lots of headaches invested. Hope you understand
I will await our team emails of intrest now.
Thanks
Hey Inventacom
Sounds wonderful. ;] But, if 'emailers' receive photos,films, and other pertinent info's, but they cannot divulge the information you emailed to them, then how is it possible to have any quality discussions in this thread if all the info's are not to be talked about? :o
Does that make sense? ;]
MaGs
There are some threads on this forum where guys have similar concerns about if they should patent or not patent their ideas. Here are two:
http://www.overunity.com/11381/how-do-you-make-money-from-an-overunity-device-that-can-not-be-patented/#.UFkR3FEmH6d (http://www.overunity.com/11381/how-do-you-make-money-from-an-overunity-device-that-can-not-be-patented/#.UFkR3FEmH6d)
http://www.overunity.com/12207/quentron-com/#.UFlCT1EmH6c (http://www.overunity.com/12207/quentron-com/#.UFlCT1EmH6c)
I have tried emailing all that responded to act as a team. I thought the mail was sending it all out. But lots of errors this morning where they failed to send. I found it it's because the zip I am trying to send is 66.1 mb. So I will try here. If this fails does anyone know a secure place to upload where all of you can download this file? Failed here too. I am currently googeling a place to upload. will update oard in few mins of prgress.
Unfortunately most e-mail providers allow 10-15 MB attachment sizes as a maximum. 66MB is too high indeed.
What I suggested: http://www.mammutmail.com/en/ (http://www.mammutmail.com/en/) can do 1GB max and you now know some e-mail addresses.
Greetings, Gyula
PS it is true you would have to upload the file again in a week's time, for they do not store any file longer than 1 week.
Quote from: Magluvin on September 18, 2012, 10:14:10 PM
Hey Inventacom
Sounds wonderful. ;] But, if 'emailers' receive photos,films, and other pertinent info's, but they cannot divulge the information you emailed to them, then how is it possible to have any quality discussions in this thread if all the info's are not to be talked about? :o
Does that make sense? ;]
MaGs
I was merely stating. I will email images, videos etc via email for my protection and all discussions about it be held here on the board. Don't be so critical. We are going to be a team so be a team player. OKay? I had nothing on my computer until last night. Takes time. I had no intentions of devulging nothingf when i first came to this board. Asked a simple question. That's all. People responded as I requested via email and my file is way too large to send through my email client. Didn't know that till this morning when I got those errors that it didn't send. I upload to a server and will give the url in a few minutes once the upload of my files are completed. Okay? I know people stated this was open source board and that's fine. But I want my stuff private and only to this board. Not the world so There's extra steps I had to do to accomplish this.
Here is the first files. It's 66mb. I will have this on this server for 12 hours. This is the start. go here to get it. theinventorsretreat dot com/mcgeorge_generator.zip
Quote from: inventacom on September 19, 2012, 07:15:19 AM
Here is the first files. It's 66mb. I will have this on this server for 12 hours. This is the start. go here to get it. theinventorsretreat dot com/mcgeorge_generator.zip
remember to put (.) in place of the word (dot) I broke the url so search engines wouldn't pick it up as a link.
Hi,
Your link works, thank you.
Gyula
After you have downloaded the files to view, everything about the sysytem can be discussed here on the board. Only those who emailed me with interest will get my data sent to them. After each upload of my files, all team participants will have 12 hours to download the data. All others that join this thread can email me and let me know you want to be apart of our team and I will give all new comers a new link to download. The more involved, the better. I'm excited to know what everyone thinks as the discusions begin. As a group effort to improve what I have already working, I expect only constructive and productive input. No one needs to be put down for their thoughts regarding this project. We are a team. Lets all work as one okay? Kool. let's get started and have fun with it. I will be away for a good part of the day so I can't respond to anything until then. Afternoon and evenings are mostly when I am on. I work and can't always be here. Everyone in the team knows how to reach me via email if you need a faster reply. I can check that on my phone.
Quote from: inventacom on September 19, 2012, 06:33:19 AM
I have tried emailing all that responded to act as a team. I thought the mail was sending it all out. But lots of errors this morning where they failed to send. I found it it's because the zip I am trying to send is 66.1 mb. So I will try here. If this fails does anyone know a secure place to upload where all of you can download this file? Failed here too. I am currently googeling a place to upload. will update oard in few mins of prgress.
Good Morning . looking forward to helping also . Sharefile dot com accepts large downloads and is free for 30 days . And thank you for the follow up . Yes the file is corrupt@ 3.5mb for me and several others . tried several times and different methods .If the file just contains some pictures they can be trimmed down to just a few kb with infraview .If it contains a video then i don't have a clue . Anyone ?
I am in the mood to work so i will be on stand by here as it won't download for me ... and working on another project @Jule thief 4 now.
gadget
@Inventacom. A simple thing that you can do to help retain your intelectual property, is to give a name to your invention. So , if your name is Smith, call it "The Smith Generator" as an example.
I can't get link to work all the best with your invention sir
I can download the file but can't open it ~ like was mentioned by others, it reports "corrupted". :-[
truesearch
Sorry e everyone who is having problems with file. I don't know why it's having issues. I will fix it.again I'm sorry
Quote from: inventacom on September 19, 2012, 11:20:20 AM
Sorry e everyone who is having problems with file. I don't know why it's having issues. I will fix it.again I'm sorry
The link worked just fine for me. The download consisted of 17 images and I had no problems. It is obvious that you take great pride in your work, looking at this build. Do not understand what is happening in your build from first view of the images and look forward to a parts list and further instructions in order to proceed. Thank You for your decision to share your work with us and happy to get started.
Brad S
Give me credit for trying please. I am trying my best. Don't give up me yet. I have no access to reup the files from my phone but I will be at my comp in a little bit
Hi inventacom and everyone
For what it's worth I was able to download the file and open it, I'm using an unregistered copy of Power Archiver 2003 to open the zip file.
Is it possible that there's a problem with the archive programs?
I've had issues in the past trying to open zip files and got corrupt zip messages but when I switched to Power Archiver 2003 I've rarely had that problem since.
The file was 66.2 MB when downloaded and produced 17 pictures as B_rads pointed out.
Thanks inventacom, your work looks great and kept simple, I like it!
Regards,
Paul
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 17, 2012, 07:29:32 AM
You cannot patent "Free Energy Devices" Period .Put it here open source .
That is best. Like the Linux millionaires - Mark Shuttleworth (of Ubuntu) went to the
Space Station at the expense of free software.
But let us not deceive ourselves. You can patent anything with an "inventive step"
and "novelty". It will need to be done in the USA and the EU as a minimum and you
will need deep pockets because of all the Russian and other foreign patents that will
be presented to you by way of challenge. They will need to be translated and don't
even think of Google Translate.
Quote from: energy1234hope on September 19, 2012, 10:07:00 AM
I can't get link to work all the best with your invention sir
the link is working well
but the zip is corrupt !
is it possible it is being blocked in the US only and not overseas ?Goat are you in us ?
Quote from: inventacom on September 19, 2012, 11:27:10 AM
Give me credit for trying please. I am trying my best. Don't give up me yet. I have no access to reup the files from my phone but I will be at my comp in a little bit
I must say your work looks outstanding and the picture resolutions are superb inventacom . When you are ready i will give My full opinion on your parts used and i have most of them already. thank you
Gadget
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 19, 2012, 11:57:06 AM
is it possible it is being blocked in the US only and not overseas ?Goat are you in us ?
Nope, from Canada :)
Quote from: Goat on September 19, 2012, 12:07:11 PM
Nope, from Canada :)
Hi Goat and all,
If I down loaded that "Power Archiver 2003"--will it automatically unzip that file from invent?? Sorry, I 'm not much of an excuse as a computer geege so would appreciate help on this --Thanx in advance--Paul
In watching the download as I'm trying to get it I see that the remote server reports that the file size is about 66.1meg. However, when approximately 40meg has downloaded the transfer terminates and the file is saved off at that point ~ albiet it's incomplete.
BTW I'm in the US.
truesearch
This almost confirms my suspicion about being blocked . If you know how to spoof your ip to an over seas one i bet you get it. I used plain old unregistered winzip .
B-rads are you also NOT in the us ?
Edit Well that blows that theory :) must be server specific problems in the nodes ..something other than centurylink maybe...???
Hi all-
First post for me, registered so that I could get in on this conversation. I am in the US and had no trouble downloading and opening the .zip file. Using 7zip, so you might want to give that a shot.
Very excited to hear more about this development and help out any way I can! :)
Welcome badlogik . I knew some of those lurkers would like whats going Down and Join in . And thanks for verifying its not country related problems with download.
gadget
I tried using 7-zip also but it doesn't work for me. It seems like the actual "download" process is not completing in my case. I've downloaded the ZIP file 5 times and each time the file-size is different:
34,899kb
41,941kb
40,009kb
42,242kb
39,996kb
None of them are the 66meg size :-[
truesearch
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 19, 2012, 12:34:21 PM
This almost confirms my suspicion about being blocked . If you know how to spoof your ip to an over seas one i bet you get it. I used plain old unregistered winzip .
B-rads are you also NOT in the us ?
Edit Well that blows that theory :) must be server specific problems in the nodes ..something other than centurylink maybe... ???
@Gadget:
I am in Alabama (U.S.) and downloaded the file from my work computer. We have one of the tightest security systems I have ever been associated with: firewalls, filters, antivirus, real time scanning, spyware, you name it and still did not have any problems. I do have a very fast Internet connection here if that makes any difference. Good luck to all and happy building!
@truesearch:
You might try open instead of save and if this works, you can save once the file opens. Worth a try, if this does not work - one of us could zip each image or shrink the images and email to you each individual pic.
Brad S
@truesearch- Perhaps it's your browser? I used Chrome for the download...
-bad
I've tried downloading the file with Firefox, Chrome, as well as Iron with the same failure each time. . .
truesearch
@truesearch:
PM your email to me and I will send the pics to you.
Brad S
B-rad you might ask inventacom for permission because we have an agreement here . You should encrypt them also with a password .The agreement is he will send images, videos etc and only to the people that emailed him . i know trusearch was one of them but we don't want to blow this to the point it gets out of hand ,what ever this is :)
that link should go dead in a couple of hours and inventacom stated that if anyone else needs it email him . It is called a Gentleman's Agreement and we should take the steps needed as stated .
I personally believe this idea has been tried before but there might be something we don't know .
Gadget
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 19, 2012, 02:01:27 PM
B-rad you might ask inventacom for permission because we have an agreement here . You should encrypt them also with a password .The agreement is he will send images, videos etc and only to the people that emailed him . i know trusearch was one of them but we don't want to blow this to the point it gets out of hand ,what ever this is :)
that link should go dead in a couple of hours and inventacom stated that if anyone else needs it email him . It is called a Gentleman's Agreement and we should take the steps needed as stated .
I personally believe this idea has been tried before but there might be something we don't know .
Gadget
Is this Agreement already in use? I understood there is only such proposal since at the same time Inventacom mentions to flock as many guys as possible. I can download only about 7.5 Mega and then it stops saying it's corrupted. Chicago, IL.
My whole Windows 7 Ultimate is from a pirate source but till now works perfect, this is first time I got trouble. The guy who made me this, told only to not update anything.
I'm using Opera browser and was able to get the download. It erred out about a dozen times but with Opera you can just hit 'Resume' and it will start up again. The file was fine and I viewed the images. Thanks Inventacom - very nice build.
A couple questions after seeing the pictures - were those taken when it was completed or are there some belts and pulleys missing in the pictures? I see what appears to be a small motor and a fairly large generator. At this time I'm going to guess the motor turns the generator although the motor appeared to be too small to run that generator under load if it's even in the 3K to 4K watt range. I may be wrong but that's how it appears with out further info at this time. I see a 40 amp converter which looks more like a battery charger for the big 12 volt battery than it does an inverter. Still guessing of course but just trying to get some discussion going on this while people try getting the pictures. BTW if people haven't ever tried the world's best browser isn't it time you tried Opera? LOL - sorry for the promo but it's the one many hackers use ;)
I don't see any electronics to speak of other than the switches, meters and fuses. Have you rewired the motor or generator in some special way? What type of motor is the small black one? DC or AC? brush or brushelss?
I'm in the US, downloaded fine using Linux, looks like the smaller one, the motor?, has been rewired? I guess we will get to that.
Very nice quality Inventacom.
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 19, 2012, 02:01:27 PM
B-rad you might ask inventacom for permission because we have an agreement here . You should encrypt them also with a password .The agreement is he will send images, videos etc and only to the people that emailed him . i know trusearch was one of them but we don't want to blow this to the point it gets out of hand ,what ever this is :)
that link should go dead in a couple of hours and inventacom stated that if anyone else needs it email him . It is called a Gentleman's Agreement and we should take the steps needed as stated .
I personally believe this idea has been tried before but there might be something we don't know .
Gadget
Good call on your part Gadget: One would assume that it would be permissable since this information has been made to forum members and truesearch is a forum member. But, break down assume - makes an "ASS" of "U" and "ME". I have sent a request to @inventacom and will await his approval prior to sending this info. Hang on truesearch and will send as soon as proper protocol has been followed.
Brad S
I will be back to my computer in 2-3 hours to help where I can with this file.others on the board wrote me and offered to help with the files until I do return. Those team members know who they are. Thank you for helping with this issue. Talk to everyone soon when I return to computer. Hopefully most or all have reviewed the files by this time
Just an update on my problem in getting the ZIP file downloaded. I normally use my Windows pc and it still hasn't properly downloaded the file :-[ I do have a Mac-mini sitting on my desk too so finally tried downloading the file with Safari ~ no good luck.
truesearch
Brad there you go !! If i can help let me know ..
I was talking to Inventacom via email and he has okay'd for me to re-upload to a different file server and password protect it. I'll post the password here in the thread. So maybe in 10 or 15 minutes it will be easier to download for those having trouble. BRB...
It's uploading right now although upload speed isn't as quick as I thought it would be so probably in about 30 minutes it will be up at 4shared.com. That's a major file share site which should have good download speed. The PASSWORD is: overmc2
I'll post the link for it as soon as I get it when the upload is done.
Darn, I apologize as I haven't used 4shared in a while and it does not work the way it used to. While you could probably download it now there if you sign up I was trying to avoid any other hassles. It is free to sign up so I'll post the link here anyway but will try to get it up on another site with less troubles. edit: I changed my mind for a couple reasons and am deleting this link but it is available now at: http://wikisend.com/download/446578/ivc4ou.ZIP And it will be available soon at filedropper.com which is also less trouble to download and probably the fastest - no sign in needed there either.
e2matrix:
Thanks for uploaded that ZIP to the 4shared.com server. I have it downloaded now! ;D
And thanks to everyone of you who helped!
truesearch
Quote from: truesearch on September 19, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
e2matrix:
Thanks for uploaded that ZIP to the 4shared.com server. I have it downloaded now! ;D
And thanks to everyone of you who helped!
truesearch
I'm glad that worked for you. I would have uploaded to the giant rapidshare.com as they are reliable and reachable from anywhere but their download speeds are terrible lately unless you have a paid account or the file size is very small. So right now I'm putting it up on a site called wikisend.com where you don't need an account to upload or download and no sign in at all is needed. We'll see how that goes in about another 20 minutes. I don't often upload large files but I believe my ISP limits my upload speed far more than download speed. I'll post that link shortly. It looks like a site called filedropper.com might also have been a good and easy choice. But as long as members can get it from either of these two I'll limit it to those. I think wikisend has a fairly small file size limit but filedropper.com has a 5 Gigabyte limit so if we have bigger movies to share that may be a good choice.
Here is the easier place to grab it: http://wikisend.com/download/446578/ivc4ou.ZIP
I took a look at the pics. I am looking forward to hearing details of how it works.
I hope everything is for real and the fun starts soon.
Thanks.
Well i see some pretty common parts . Battery ,40 amp rv converter looks like a standard generator maybe 6000watts .a tiny washingmachine or fan motor and fuse blocks ,wire and a part of a portable battery jumper box panel with the meter all mounted in a nice case .No belt .blank pulley on the gen and a pinned shaft on the little motor . I can guess where this is going . The little motor is powered up with 12 volts and turns the generator which supplies the power to the converter which replace the battery when it is disconnected(then trickle charged maybe) and furnish AC to the appliances with the plugs in the back of that Big Generator . . thats what i think it is supposed to do . As far as the appearance it looks simple and nice and affordable considering you might get 2 years out of it before the brushes need replacing in the gen if it ran day and night.
My Brother has bunches of them . When generators sit for a long time they cease to produce power . We have seen 100's of them discounted at major store with non functional generators. He buys them for a penny on the dollar takes them home and zaps a capacitor full and wala .. they work like new . when they sit a long time that cap goes dead and there is no field energy to make it produce ......just a bit of secret info to help you along .
Also the brushes are a big problem as we have seen a many need replacing and it isn't pretty if they ride to a nub and eat the commutator off the armature. you as well throw it away and buy another one . We have a LOT of hurricanes and every one has one out here .Keeps him busy in his garage ..
Right inventacom ?
the only way this could work is if both motors are rewound,geared and/ or am i missing something ?.
This might be a new prototype?
gadget .
Well I was wrong again in trying a file share site I haven't used. Filedropper.com is a FAIL. Their name hints at their problem - it kept dropping the file upload and after several tries I quit. So it's going to be at a site I know better - depositfiles.com. Another half hour hopefully - seems it hasn't been a lucky day so far.... will post link in a bit.
Okay - here is the backup link and a known good file share site: http://depositfiles.com/files/psamzire4
File download speed is fairly good - way better than some but opening download page may not be real family/wife friendly and it does require you to read and enter the 'Captcha' text to insure you aren't a bot.
Quote from: e2matrix on September 19, 2012, 06:31:51 PM
Well I was wrong again in trying a file share site I haven't used. Filedropper.com is a FAIL. Their name hints at their problem - it kept dropping the file upload and after several tries I quit. So it's going to be at a site I know better - depositfiles.com. Another half hour hopefully - seems it hasn't been a lucky day so far.... will post link in a bit.
you should try this site . i have used it and it is stable fast and reliable and deletes the file in a week automatically . http://www.mammutmail.com/en/ (http://www.mammutmail.com/en/) is easy to use just put your email address in it and upload . it will shoot the link to you then post it .
sorry, forgot about confidentiality.
..
Do not post pictures unless inventacom says so .that was the agreement right?
We are waiting for his appearance so we can find out what he needs us for .
he said
Quote
This unit initially starts using a 12v deep cycle batt. The start juice is instantly replaced and the system then converts to it's own power source that powers itself. After the initial start, the battery is no longer used until next start. I have been using this system for close to a year now to power my home. I have no electric bills. Everything is powered by my unit. I also have unit replicas powering my golf cart, my boat and my vw bug. Obliviously the golf cart, boat and car has additional components but the components are extended off the main unit itself.
If this is so then it looks like it is complete or maybe a new prototype? . what can we do for you inventacom?
we are here for input and respect your build and i hope for the sake of us all that this is real and not another
humanbirdwings.net project :) that one hurt because i really thought i could fly .
Not trying to be negative Darby i have good faith in your words and there is some smart people here to help you anyway we can.
gadget
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 19, 2012, 06:34:53 PM
you should try this site . i have used it and it is stable fast and reliable and deletes the file in a week automatically . http://www.mammutmail.com/en/ (http://www.mammutmail.com/en/) is easy to use just put your email address in it and upload . it will shoot the link to you then post it .
I think depositfiles is good to go and the file won't go away after a week - which might be a problem is inventacom wants it still available. Also I've got a link to delete it which I'm sending to inventacom should he decide he wants to remove it.
@inventacom:
Thanks alot for sharing the photos and information that you have :)
Can you give us some more details (maybe schematics) and specifications so that some of us can start on duplicating your success?
truesearch
Quote from: e2matrix on September 19, 2012, 06:31:51 PM
Well I was wrong again in trying a file share site I haven't used. Filedropper.com is a FAIL. Their name hints at their problem - it kept dropping the file upload and after several tries I quit. So it's going to be at a site I know better - depositfiles.com. Another half hour hopefully - seems it hasn't been a lucky day so far.... will post link in a bit.
Okay - here is the backup link and a known good file share site: http://depositfiles.com/files/psamzire4 (http://depositfiles.com/files/psamzire4)
File download speed is fairly good - way better than some but opening download page may not be real family/wife friendly and it does require you to read and enter the 'Captcha' text to insure you aren't a bot.
thanks it is working now !
the password is ok
Hello Team and welcome aboard. I appoligize for the lateness. Work consumed me but because of that, I am free for discusion all day today. First, I want to thank those who stepped up and become team leaders in the matter of the file issues. You know who you are. I can't wait to dig into this and everyone dives in to make this an awesome project. Although the board was sorted out with the help of other team members, I am very concerned over the organization of the sharing process. What I mean here is, Although this may appear to be simply constructed, there's alot more to it to make it all work. There were those very eager to share the files with other on the board. I know it was to help other team members but it's critical to me that these images, videos, pdfs, etc don't get on the net outside this board and the team members who has contacted me as I requested are the only ones who get the info.
Please note: if you have not contacted me with your interest to join the team yet via inventacom at embarqmail dot com. Please do that now. This truly lets me know who's in and who's not. I don't want those who just join the board to take the files and not be on the team. Everyone is invited to become apart of the team but I want to know who you are. I hope you understand. This has been my baby for a long time and If I'm going to share then please respect and understand my wishes to be as protected from the mainstream net as possible.
I think it would be a great Idea to choose a couple 2-3 people to work on this as team LEADERS when I am unable to be on the board due to working, etc. I will send these 2-3 team leaders the files and other info to make sure it gets to all the team members so they may participate. I'm not try to discourage anyone to to appear harsh in anyway. I just have alot in this and don't want it going out of our control. It took everything in me to share this so please help keep this OUR team's project. Not a project for the world.
I know alot of you here have tried to keep the control and protection of this project. Thank you for that. Please nominate 2-3 TEAM leaders from this board and email me with your choices that you most trust. I will use the most nominated and announce who those team leaders will be. You may also nominate yourself. If you have not contacted me via my provided email but are a registered user of the forum, please send me an email of interest or you will NOT be privy to the files.
If you have helped by uploading the files to a shared network, please password the files and send me and the team leaders the password. We will give out the password to the files at our discretion based on where they have requested to become a team member and agree to the discretion. Please title your interest emails with: Team McGeorge as this will officially become and known by our team as the TEAM McGeorge project.
I am currently gathering addition project information to my computer and will be able to distribute it later today when I have it loaded. There's lots more.
For our current team members who has received and reviewed the first batch of images, go ahead and post your thoughts, opinions, ideas and such. Let's start having fun. A parts list to what you see in the images is on the way. I am going to reveal everything. So don't worry and be patient please. Let's work together. I'm eager to start answering questions and invite all team members to jump in. I noticed that some of our members are exactly what this project needs. Their input will be well appreciated as will everyone Else's.
As team McGeorge, please don't be afraid to ask anything regardless of how small you think the question may be. This team will refrain from putting other team members down based on questions. We can all learn a great deal from each other and together make this an awesome team project. Just don't judge the book by it's cover. There's way more to it. With the image reveal from yesterday, I do hope you can trust me now and know that I'm not a fluke. This is a real project with real results. This, you get to experience yourself.
Thank you again team McGeorge.
Again, NOTE: if you have not identified yourself as wanting to be apart of team McGeorge, Then you may be able to see what's on the thread but you will NOT get any images, videos or data on this project. You may email me or to our team's chosen Team McGeorge Leaders. It will be in the best interest of everyone to take note of the team leaders once it's been announced. I would like to fill those positions early today. Simply tell me your interested or who you would like to nominate along with small bit of what you can bring to the table for the team you will head.
This is not an open/shut project. It will be ongoing until perfection. I hope everyone is in for the long haul.
Don't let the current look of simplicity fool you. There's alot more to it. If you write me interested in joining the team, you must agree that I get credited where it's deserved. Now that I have brought this out. I have everything to lose and only my deserved credit to gain. But let's make this great and go after those who make our lives difficult over fuel greediness. We have alot of talent that came aboard. Let's put all this talent to good use for all.
Thank you everyone. I look farward to starting the discusions
QuoteThis is not an open/shut project. It will be ongoing until perfection. I hope everyone is in for the long haul.
Hi Inventacom,
good to see you back, I hope when you say the "long haul" you mean developing an existing free energy device
that you already have running your house, and that the details of this device will be made clear to all those concerned
with in a relatively short time.
Or is everyone here going to play a guessing game with you like so many other threads on this forum.
I do hope you are the real deal and if nothing else all ideas are interesting when it comes to free energy.
BTW what is the longest time your motor has run, continuously without ever stopping ?
All the best
Quote from: powercat on September 20, 2012, 04:02:55 AM
Hi Inventacom,
good to see you back, I hope when you say the "long haul" you mean developing an existing free energy device
that you already have running your house, and that the details of this device will be made clear to all those concerned
with in a relatively short time.
Or is everyone here going to play a guessing game with you like so many other threads on this forum.
I do hope you are the real deal and if nothing else all ideas are interesting when it comes to free energy.
Thanks. I made the decision to share here and I will. I sent out the images as good faith and dedication to the project. This is a working device and although it may simplistic, alot went into actually making it all work together. I didn't release the images to play a guessing game. I explained earlier that I would be on the board today to start bringing this out for everyone in discusion to get things rolling. My concern of my files getting into the mainstream internet. I don't want that right now. You should understand that concern. If you read my very first thread comments, you will see I didn't come here to get you guys to believe or disbelieve anything. I approached this board with a question. So, no, I didn't come here to play games. This is a real project that I created that actually gets used at my home.
I understand your frustration with others who may have played games here. But I'm not those people. I'm not selling plans, blueprints, have my own youtube videos, etc. I built this for me and although it may appear simple, it was alot of trial and error, money, lost sleep and time. It's not a game to me.
I said I would get into the details today and I will. Thanks for your question and concern and welcome to the team. As I stated in my last post, I am currently gathering other information onto my computer. Nothing was on my computer as I had no intention of exposing it this way. So this is taking me a little bit. I got the images out quickly didn't I? Did the best I could and as fast as I could.
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 19, 2012, 06:04:23 PM
Well i see some pretty common parts . Battery ,40 amp rv converter looks like a standard generator maybe 6000watts .a tiny washingmachine or fan motor and fuse blocks ,wire and a part of a portable battery jumper box panel with the meter all mounted in a nice case .No belt .blank pulley on the gen and a pinned shaft on the little motor . I can guess where this is going . The little motor is powered up with 12 volts and turns the generator which supplies the power to the converter which replace the battery when it is disconnected(then trickle charged maybe) and furnish AC to the appliances with the plugs in the back of that Big Generator . . thats what i think it is supposed to do . As far as the appearance it looks simple and nice and affordable considering you might get 2 years out of it before the brushes need replacing in the gen if it ran day and night.
My Brother has bunches of them . When generators sit for a long time they cease to produce power . We have seen 100's of them discounted at major store with non functional generators. He buys them for a penny on the dollar takes them home and zaps a capacitor full and wala .. they work like new . when they sit a long time that cap goes dead and there is no field energy to make it produce ......just a bit of secret info to help you along .
Also the brushes are a big problem as we have seen a many need replacing and it isn't pretty if they ride to a nub and eat the commutator off the armature. you as well throw it away and buy another one . We have a LOT of hurricanes and every one has one out here .Keeps him busy in his garage ..
Right inventacom ?
the only way this could work is if both motors are rewound,geared and/ or am i missing something ?.
This might be a new prototype?
gadget .
Awesome observation. You are correct. The 12v dc motor is a car fan motor. Torque and speed is perfect with the right pully/belt setup. I chose this motor after trying others and this was perfect for the application and built for continuous run. . The pulley's on both the gen head and 12v dc motor have been custom machined to make these work. I have them off in the images because I was making additional modifications with new additional features with the fuse box and casing. And YES! The casing is an old industrial shredder that someone threw away. Fits nicely in the closet where the fuse box is. But you can't just turn one motor off to make the other work. It's the same motor that has to be fed from initial batt start to being run from converter. There is a certain setup in controls to achieve this as well as recharging the batt. Once the battery reaches a full full charge capacity, the battery is cut off and the converter becomes the main dc power source. The converter is connected to the gen head. When the gen head reaches the correct rpms, the converter is powered on which then recharges the batt and then takes over to run dc motor. The unit then runs in a circle from gen head to converter to dc motor that provides the needed rpms to gen head and so on. Yes, there are also capacitors for handling surge. I had to take into account the controls (Which have been updated with a DPDT switch. I will be sharing that schematic here today as well. Also, I know the brushes will be an issue down the road and am currently working on that resolution. You said "The only way this could work is if both motors are rewound, geared" I did not have to make those type modifications to the motors. Those were the first things I sout for this unit. But that was exspensive so I went to the junk yards and auto salvage yards and found an alternative solution. You are probably refering to the load resistance of the gen head vs dc motor output? That has been worked out. I did run into that problem so yes modifications had to be made to make it work.
Hard to imagine? I will show details when I get them loaded and uploaded. You will understand better seeing it visually. After seeing it all, I am open to suggestions and better ideas if there are some. Remember! This machine has patentabilty due to my modifications. If it doesn't make sense, then it will when I present the drawings and data.
Also, the 40 amp rv converter is simply a transformer and capicitor. Nothing high tech. I'm a simple guy. I like simplicity as long as it works like I need it to.
Hello everyone! (my first post)
Thank you inventacom for shearing your invention with us. I am following this from the beginning and it looks very interesting as I have similar idea and I am at the stage of collecting all necessary parts to try it.
First before we will try to improve your invention I think we have to try to replicate to confirm that it works - best way to prove everyone that this is not fake.
I hope that the dream will come true.
I also apologize for my English but this is not my mother tongue language.
Regards
Quote from: inventacom on September 20, 2012, 03:39:46 AM
I think it would be a great Idea to choose a couple 2-3 people to work on this as team LEADERS when I am unable to be on the board due to working, etc. I will send these 2-3 team leaders the files and other info to make sure it gets to all the team members so they may participate. I'm not try to discourage anyone to to appear harsh in anyway. I just have alot in this and don't want it going out of our control. It took everything in me to share this so please help keep this OUR team's project. Not a project for the world.
Thank you everyone. I look farward to starting the discusions
Hi all
I think that along with the team leaders we should also invite @Pirate and/or @Harte to join this thread ASAP to closely moderate this thread to keep the Trolls/Flamers/Thread HiJackers/etc. from ruining this thread like so many others have been on this site.
Having said that, I think that many of you know someone that has skills in building/machining/electronics/etc. and could become an asset to this thread, please make them aware of what's happening here and invite them to join asap.
Regards,
Paul
Good Morning .Thank you Inventacom for your swift reply !
Some of us Do have Family obligations and i also know attention is needed elsewhere . everyday .
I Nominate ME as one of your Team Leaders Because everyone here know i Believe in free energy and i am also very critical . The reason why i am critical is this Board made me that way . You see i have been in your shoes and walked the walk and talked the talk and also showed some undiscovered things .
If i get a seconds thats great . If not i would pass it over to E2matrix also as team leading member.
What i see is your project, your baby you are trying to get help but also helping us too .
So i would offer My help in securing your media with passwords and only to those who are listed .
Gadget
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 20, 2012, 07:58:49 AM
Good Morning .Thank you Inventacom for your swift reply !
Some of us Do have Family obligations and i also know attention is needed elsewhere . everyday .
I Nominate ME as one of your Team Leaders Because everyone here know i Believe in free energy and i am also very critical . The reason why i am critical is this Board made me that way . You see i have been in your shoes and walked the walk and talked the talk and also showed some undiscovered things .
If i get a seconds thats great . If not i would pass it over to E2matrix also as team leading member.
What i see is your project, your baby you are trying to get help but also helping us too .
So i would offer My help in securing your media with passwords and only to those who are listed .
Gadget
yes , i think it is a good idee !
If I may cast ballots for 2 team leaders, I fully support both @gadgetmall and @e2matrix for this role. Both are long standing members of this forum in excellent standing and have demonstrated in the infancy of this thread a level headedness for supporting other forum members as well as protecting this wishes of you @inventacom. If I need to cast my vote by email, please let me know, else I will consider this post my vote.
@inventacom, do you have a small model that can be easily replicated and close the loop? One or more successful replications could push this project light years forward, again we have all been burned so many times that many are skeptical before ever beginning. I know this is not your fault @inventacom, as we all want desperately for this project to be successful. So that no one is caught by surprise, can you give a ballpark price for replicating your simplest model if all parts were purchased new?
@all, it has been mentioned @Karol82, and I fully agree that an exact replication needs to be performed for study and proof. Too many times we see builders substitute parts and then claim that the project does not work. Hard questions asked is not only OK, it is beneficial. Let’s keep the sarcasm out of this thread and approach this project without preconceived opinions until some exact replications are presented.
Thanks again @inventacom for your decision to work with this group and share your work with us. :)
Brad S
GREAT idea Paul, especially about Troll Suppression.
hello everyone. Lets get started. Thank for the nominations via this board and email. The team leaders will be gadgetmall , e2matrix. These are leaders chosen by our team members so please respect these leaders and their decisions. Congrats and I will be on steady after I finish loading more info pertaining to the McGeorge project. I am having to take records and drawings i made on paper, take to daughter's house and have it scanned into my computer and then will all be handed over to your chosen team leaders for distribution. Can't wait to get started. If you want download links, pm a team leaders. Passwords can be retreived at descretion of the team leaders.
I invited Bill Over . He is only a mod for the Jt part and i think he needs to ask Stephan for Mod Privilege here which is a good idea guys .
Although i am Critical i will not Judge anyone while work is in progress but there will be people that will intervene we don't want here or care to hear what they have to say because it will be based on their facts of science and they can't grasp the thought of being wrong ,I have a little in me also from them . I won't mention names because that will be the Bat call :)
So Thanks for the thumbs up and If Elected i promise you NO Health care , NO Jobs , No Money , :) only best attempts at getting what we all deserve here a Hope for Free Energy that we can use .
gadget
Aka
Albert
EDIT******
I posted the same time you did Darby . Gadgetmall is Me Albert so a third person is still needed .
Thanks
Sorry Albert. Didn't realize until now you are a clone of gadgetmall. Congrats. You were double elected. lol
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 20, 2012, 10:43:38 AM
I invited Bill Over . He is only a mod for the Jt part and i think he needs to ask Stephan for Mod Privilege here which is a good idea guys .
Although i am Critical i will not Judge anyone while work is in progress but there will be people that will intervene we don't want here or care to hear what they have to say because it will be based on their facts of science and they can't grasp the thought of being wrong ,I have a little in me also from them . I won't mention names because that will be the Bat call :)
So Thanks for the thumbs up and If Elected i promise you NO Health care , NO Jobs , No Money , :) only best attempts at getting what we all deserve here a Hope for Free Energy that we can use .
gadget
Aka
Albert
EDIT******
I posted the same time you did Darby . Gadgetmall is Me Albert so a third person is still needed .
Thanks
I am going through my mails now for our third leader.
haha :) Thank you :o I Nominate Bill aka Pirate if he chooses to join . I don't think he has had a chance to see this thread because he is busy At work and also Moderating part of this board . so With your permission i think we need him to keep the trolls out like others stated also .
gadget Al
Ps.. I have to run to town and pick up my Medicines so be back in a while ..
Hi Inventacom,
Thank you for sharing. What do you need help with?
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 20, 2012, 10:52:55 AM
haha :) Thank you :o I Nominate Bill aka Pirate if he chooses to join . I don't think he has had a chance to see this thread because he is busy At work and also Moderating part of this board . so With your permission i think we need him to keep the trolls out like others stated also .
gadget Al
Ps.. I have to run to town and pick up my Medicines so be back in a while ..
Done! Our third team leader will be
Bill aka Pirate if he chooses to join us.
It would be very helpful to all to know what some of us bring to the table. I know we currently have engineers, 3d modeling experts and so on. The we can direct our questions more appropriately depending on the issue one might have. The more expertise we have in individual expertise, the better. Anyone here have electronics expertise? Experts in using magnets, experts in AC, DC motors, Gauges and switches, etc? If you have a expert field title please tell us on the board. Thanks
Quote from: b_rads on September 20, 2012, 09:57:19 AM
If I may cast ballots for 2 team leaders, I fully support both @gadgetmall and @e2matrix for this role. Both are long standing members of this forum in excellent standing and have demonstrated in the infancy of this thread a level headedness for supporting other forum members as well as protecting this wishes of you @inventacom. If I need to cast my vote by email, please let me know, else I will consider this post my vote.
@inventacom, do you have a small model that can be easily replicated and close the loop? One or more successful replications could push this project light years forward, again we have all been burned so many times that many are skeptical before ever beginning. I know this is not your fault @inventacom, as we all want desperately for this project to be successful. So that no one is caught by surprise, can you give a ballpark price for replicating your simplest model if all parts were purchased new?
@all, it has been mentioned @Karol82, and I fully agree that an exact replication needs to be performed for study and proof. Too many times we see builders substitute parts and then claim that the project does not work. Hard questions asked is not only OK, it is beneficial. Let’s keep the sarcasm out of this thread and approach this project without preconceived opinions until some exact replications are presented.
Thanks again @inventacom for your decision to work with this group and share your work with us. :)
Brad S
I agree with what you have said and it is a shame that so far this question hasn't been answered.
@inventacom
do you have a small model that can be easily replicated and close the loop? One or more successful replications could push this project light years forward, again we have all been burned so many times that many are skeptical before ever beginning. I know this is not your fault @inventacom, as we all want desperately for this project to be successful. So that no one is caught by surprise, can you give a ballpark price for replicating your simplest model if all parts were purchased new?
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At this stage I will sit back and await the team leaders response to how this device actually works,
and if indeed it is a closed system that's completely runs itself without batteries.
In any event I'm sure all the hobbyist electronics people will have a good time.
hello powercat . At this point in time what has been posted is what the Team Leaders Know.
We ask that anyone who wants in on this project follow his Directive to Email him first as No One outside of this team will allow any Media other than what you produce to be Public . The reasons are stated By inventacom .
He does not want to Fix the world's problems(leave that to Keshe tomorrow:) ) and just a few who Abide By this agreement are allowed to participate . I think it is a good Idea and thought thru to not allow HIS Power unit to be beat to death by want to be Physicist and Non Contributing malarkey as is always the case when anyone makes such claims . He is protecting his media from entering the WWW database and permitting willing participants in a partnetship agreement to share inside this group ONLY .
Here is what we know that is stated
Quotehave created a free AC & DC power unit that can be used as a home generator that can also propel a riding lawn motor, golf-carts, boat motor, and a car.
This unit initially starts using a 12v deep cycle batt. The start juice is instantly replaced and the system then converts to it's own power source that powers itself. After the initial start, the battery is no longer used until next start. I have been using this system for close to a year now to power my home. I have no electric bills. Everything is powered by my unit. I also have unit replicas powering my golf cart, my boat and my vw bug. Obliviously the golf cart, boat and car has additional components but the components are extended off the main unit itself.
As i said this is what our plans are as team members. to replicate his Invention and any improvements we see are needed we do and share with him here but are the Concept and design are credited to Inventacom .
If you feel it is a waste of time that is understandable and only the persons in the team will pursue it anyways without Bias .If it turns out to be too expensive then i guess we will pay our light bill:)
look like Initial cost might be as low as a couple of thousand to as high as 10,000.00 i would estimate . Depends on how handy you are and the connections with Salvage yards ,business closeouts etc... could be just a few dollars if you have the stuff ..
Anymore question simple cannot be answered at this time until we receive that information for team members.
we will know who you are if you are in the team.
if i missed anything please reread the forum for that info .
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gadget
@inventacom , BSEE, expert in harmonic resonance, signal analysis and processing, dsp, low level sw and hw, system to chip level design. Committed (spiritually) to clean energy.
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 20, 2012, 01:16:01 PM
hello powercat . At this point in time what has been posted is what the Team Leaders Know.
We ask that anyone who wants in on this project follow his Directive to Email him first as No One outside of this team will allow any Media other than what you produce to be Public . The reasons are stated By inventacom .
He does not want to Fix the world's problems and just a few who Abide By this agreement are allowed to participate .
Here is what we know that is stated
As i said this what our plans are . to replicate his Invention and any improvements we see are needed we do but are the Concept and design are credited to Inventacom .
If you feel it is a waste of time that is understandable and only the persons in the team will pursue it anyways without Bias .If it turns out to be too expensive then i guess we will pay our light bill:)
look like Initial cost might be as low as a couple of thousand to as high as 10,000.00 i would estimate . Depends on how handy you are and the connections with Salvage yards ,business closeouts etc....
Anymore question simple cannot be answered at this time until we receive that information for team members.
we will know who you are if you are in the team.
if i missed anything please reread the forum for that info .
.
gadget
Hi gadget
It is not the first time we have seen this type of motor combination, let's hope this time there is something unique.
I'm glad to hear you will be posting your own replication results for all to see.
The only way is replication and replication of the result of free energy then we can all make one.
Good luck gadget
I know its not the first time either power cat if you reread this forum you see i am also critical but he has followed through so far and gave no reason to really Doubt . time will tell and as i said all who are willing to work this way can join in .
If i Have enough of those parts NOT YET LISTED i might build it if i live that long:) I also might not want it shown either on the www or this forum . Yet to be determined ...
And if it turnoust to be a brick wall i can say with no regret that it wasn't me ;D
Thanks
Gadget ,, .Lunch time .
Thanks for the TL nomination and I'll accept with the caveat that there may be an occasional day when I can't be on the computer. I also think gadgetmall is an excellent choice and would also recommend considering DreamThinkBuild if Pirate (also an excellent person for this) is not able to take on this task.
I'll post a bit more later but will take this chance to say that while I did post the password here for the first set of pictures I will not be posting it in this thread from now on per inventacom's wishes and after I thought about it I realized anyone good with Google could probably track down the password here once they had the file name as it was also posted here. So passwords will only be shared via email as will the download links. I may set up a separate email account to handle this. To keep this secure as inventacom wishes we may need a protocol for handling email requests. I'll think about that but it may involve getting a PM on here initially to get a Team Leaders email.
Being an older guy I've got a fairly wide range of experience and building abilities. From electronics as a hobby for over 50 years and Ham Radio to all phases of house construction as well as welding and a small shop with some metal working tools (band saw, drill press). Oscilloscopes, signal generators, meters of course are part of the arsenal too.
More later.... I need to be out for a little while. I think we are off to a good start with a good group here
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Hello there e2matrix TL. you sound like me . I also hold a armature radio Licenses since before the days of personal computers and the Internet :) I am an X TV /radio / Digital electronics /Computer tech /satellite technician and master as a single Dad who loves Free Energy thinking and building ..I believe in Clean Green Energy and Free for everyone that needs it. Some people are rich and could care less about an electric bill or how much toxic waste they make with motors but i see a better way coming.
I thought about it and i believe it is ok to PM links and passwords rather than get emails although it is also a good idea .
i do not believe i want to deal with everyones email as of yet.. So i will PM the team Members a link and password when i have something to pass.
Gadget
Hi gadgetmall, I'll just toss out my thoughts on the way to get files, videos or pics to everyone securely. So far what comes to mind as the easiest and quickest for all would be for me to setup an email with an autoresponder so anyone who gets that email here via PM would just send me an email at that address. If there was new files to share it would immediately reply back to them with any of the latest file links (and password if needed). That's just my thoughts and I'm entirely open to other ideas but it would mean quick response time any time of the day or night (especially if someone is in another country) and would not involve much work on the part of any team leader for just getting files shared. I would also probably recommend simply password protecting files with WinZip or similar Zip program since nearly everyone already has an unZipper on their computers and even Linux or Mac computers can work with that format. I've looked and never found any way to crack a Zip file short of brute force and that can take a fast desktop computer years. I doubt if we will be up against any serious hackers anyway on this. Once any of our members have the file and have opened it they could obviously share it with someone else if they wanted by just repacking it so I don't know if there would be reason to try tracking who gets the originals if you see what I mean. We'll just ask and hope it all stays in the family ;)
over to you and anyone else who wants to inject thoughts on that :)
Hi Folks,
I agree with choosing e2matrix and gadgetmall to be group leaders, besides the inventor of course and if needed then Bill too and they all should receive moderator previligies for this thread from Stefan Hartmann. IF other persons could be named I can think of Groundloop or Clanzer or Wattsup too, maybe they would also be interested.
e2matrix: your suggestion for getting files securely sounds good and simple to me, I would agree with it.
rgds, Gyula
Ok . I used to use a program that does exactly that . you take a file and encode it with a tiny program . the receiver would run a command line program to generate his unique checksum key that is sent to the sender ,the sender adds this checksum to the tiny program which is added to the file /.. . once that person received the file his key would open that file . the file would then unzip and unlock for him .the program that is the file did not allow copy and paste or any function keys to work and if he tried to share the file and key to someone else it would not work . i think it was called stanware . used to use it a lot passing files ,disk etc,, anyways thats how we did it to protect our property , A single file can be shared with only the people you want it to go to without a worry that it will be passed . that is how we track a file.
I think i will stick with pm as a backup to you . I will upload it to a secure site and Pm the link and passcode but i like the idea of the auto-responder too. we need to get together on one passcode in Pm .
gadget
Ps . I invited/nominated Bill but he has to get Mod status over here from Stephan to moderate . He only moderates joule thief . i don't think it will be a problem and we need him if he accepts .
Of coarse if stephan was here he could moderate it but seems to be MIA :) I like your suggestion too gyula .
the problem if it is a problem is trolling trolleys trolls can easily infiltrate with a newbie account .
It seems that being part of the team is near impossible for us mere mortals. I responded to inventacom right after he posted that we should email him if we were interested but I used his overunity email, so I did it again to his own email. No response!
Is there something I'm doing wrong or is this an exclusive project?
I'm not a troll, just want to try and replicate.
Vince
Quote from: vince on September 20, 2012, 07:27:58 PM
It seems that being part of the team is near impossible for us mere mortals. I responded to inventacom right after he posted that we should email him if we were interested but I used his overunity email, so I did it again to his own email. No response!
Is there something I'm doing wrong or is this an exclusive project?
I'm not a troll, just want to try and replicate.
Vince
He Vince . Contact him here : INVENTACOM AT EMBARQMAIL DOT COM if you have it use return a delivery receipt when read when sending it and when he gets it and reads it it will autorespond with a read receipt . make the subject line Team MgGeorge and post your intentions. be sure to replace the at and dot with symbols
thanks and at this time it appears he is not at the computer .
Gadget
Quote from: vince on September 20, 2012, 07:27:58 PM
It seems that being part of the team is near impossible for us mere mortals. I responded to inventacom right after he posted that we should email him if we were interested but I used his overunity email, so I did it again to his own email. No response!
Is there something I'm doing wrong or is this an exclusive project?
I'm not a troll, just want to try and replicate.
Vince
Same here, I'm just watching where this goes.
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 20, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
Ok . I used to use a program that does exactly that . you take a file and encode it with a tiny program . the receiver would run a command line program to generate his unique checksum key that is sent to the sender ,the sender adds this checksum to the tiny program which is added to the file /.. . once that person received the file his key would open that file . the file would then unzip and unlock for him .the program that is the file did not allow copy and paste or any function keys to work and if he tried to share the file and key to someone else it would not work . i think it was called stanware . used to use it a lot passing files ,disk etc,, anyways thats how we did it to protect our property , A single file can be shared with only the people you want it to go to without a worry that it will be passed . that is how we track a file.
I think i will stick with pm as a backup to you . I will upload it to a secure site and Pm the link and passcode but i like the idea of the auto-responder too. we need to get together on one passcode in Pm .
gadget
Ps . I invited/nominated Bill but he has to get Mod status over here from Stephan to moderate . He only moderates joule thief . i don't think it will be a problem and we need him if he accepts .
Of coarse if stephan was here he could moderate it but seems to be MIA :) I like your suggestion too gyula .
the problem if it is a problem is trolling trolleys trolls can easily infiltrate with a newbie account .
That sounds a lot like PGP with it's keyrings. Would that work to protect pictures, videos and so on from being spread after a person had them and opened them? If a person has a picture open would it keep them from doing a print screen to capture it? In most cases anything that can be displayed in a video or picture can be captured if not by a program than by a decent hacker. I don't think we have to worry about a level of security much beyond a password protected Zip file because if someone wants this info bad enough they would just sign up at overunity make a couple dozen posts and join in the discussion here. If what you mention is like PGP or PGP based I think it gets a bit more complex than some might want to deal with and I'll bet some people have never seen DOS or a command line. I still do things in DOS that can't be done any other way but then I've got every version of DOS since v1.0 ;)
Very glad to see you here gyula. Inventacom may not know your level of expertise yet so I'll say anyone who's been around here a while knows you are one of the true component and circuit geniuses.
If anyone else has thoughts on methods for the file sharing please let us know. Inventacom will of course have the final say.
I'm just guessing but he did mention he had none of the info in his computer and had to get some things scanned in at someone else's place so I'll assume he will be here later or tomorrow with more info. So for now he may not be able to respond to email readily.
I'm going to post a couple questions for Inventacom which can hopefully be answered with some clarity to help keep everyone here interested and to help answer some things that I'm sure are buzzing in a lot of minds right now.
1. Once the device is started can it self run keeping both the battery charged (if it is still in the system) and provide external power to a home, car or devices without any other external source of input (such as fuel, external electrical power etc.)? This of course does not include Zero point energy or other unseen energy that may be entering the system somehow.
2. If it is COP > 1 or overunity or free energy (and yes we all know those definitions are open to interpretation and much confusion but for basic discussion I'm sure everyone knows what the intention is with this question) is there a theory or known way as to how this is getting extra power? If not we will work on that but if it is known I believe it will help reinforce interest in replications.
3. My own question because I think there is a possibility this may be similar to a couple other devices I know of -- what is the approximate weight and diameter of the pulley that goes on the fan motor? And is there some slack in the belt that goes to the the generator or is it fairly tight?
4. If I'm correct about the generator I see in the pictures I think those need to turn at around 3600 RPM to produce 120 volt AC. Is that close to the speed this runs?
E2matrix . Well it is like pgp except this program generates files to an EXE . when executed you enter your key . the program opens up whatever pictures videos text inside this tiny program . You are the able to view the files but the functions are disabled like print screen or copy and paste and will not allow you to make a copy that way . if the file is sent out of group with a copied key it will not open . Yes it is like a Shell type PGP . it is very powerful in that you can make Disk copies and send them to some one and they have a password . but also they cannot copy the disk . it was pretty neat but a hassle here i thinks . they have a new method really complicated called Multicast Encryption also .Like your satellite dish except Internet based with unique keys that can be changed on the fly by the sender . I know all the guys here really want to see it like normal but this is not normal . this it is thought out pretty well to keep it out of the www but into a team .
Anyways we just need something to pass so we are waiting also guys . hang in there..
Edit :posted same time e2matrix and thank you for those Good Questions we all need to know .
I am Bushed and need a break from this screen and can't think properly and take it from here tonight if you can .
If any late breaking News arrives i will alert the team . I am up at 5am est so i think we might have an answer soon !
so with that lets ponder on the past inventions akin to this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv53K9MnDuM&;feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv53K9MnDuM&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&;feature=endscreen&;v=InZ9XtiKpXo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=InZ9XtiKpXo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl57y-c_bWc&;feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl57y-c_bWc&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h41oenbUGsE&;feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h41oenbUGsE&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG9chgbbweQ&NR=1&feature=endscreen&list=ULnhYAlh5Meuw
and this thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk4m1MLZudE&;feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk4m1MLZudE&feature=related)
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 20, 2012, 08:35:33 PM
E2matrix . Well it is like pgp except this program generates files to an EXE . when excicuted you enter your key . the program opens up whatever pictures videos text inside this tiny program . You are the able to view the files but the functions are disabled like print screen or copy and paste and will not allow you to make a copy that way . if the file is sent out of group with a copied key it will not open .
What about 'screen capture? ;]
Well it seems like things are moving along here. ;]
Looks like we are in for the "long haul". I hope its not too long. Just read an article that states that an asteroid will hit Antarctica this fall. They didnt use the word 'might', or 'possibly'. We could sure use 'power packs' if that happens, and head north. Man, I hope not. Where they do state possibilities is water levels up 70 meters due to Antarctic melt. Where I am, I would have to be 200 to 300 miles north in order to see or be 'on' land if that were to happen. :o The original from http://www.phas.ubc.ca/article was taken down pretty quickly. 2 days.
Good luck guys. Ill be following. ;]
MaGs
Sounds good gadget. I think I have or had a proggy like that too at one point. I collect lot of encryption stuff and if you happen to find it if it's share/freeware I'd be interested in a copy. Get some rest and take care - I know you had some battles a while back. No need to overdue yourself here. I'm usually up late so if anything breaks from Inventacom I'll pass it along.
At this point anyone interested in getting any new files or info Inventacom wants kept within the team please wait until something is announced that is available then send me or gadget a PM. I haven't heard from Inventacom yet so he may have other ideas but most likely we will wait for anything to be shared, interested members will send one of us a PM and I'll respond with the email address to contact where you'll get an auto-reply with links and password. That's how I plan to do this now unless directed otherwise.
Quote from: e2matrix on September 20, 2012, 08:05:00 PM
If anyone else has thoughts on methods for the file sharing please let us know. Inventacom will of course have the final say.
@gadgetmall,
I work in the computer science field and have worked with highly sensitive data for nearly 30 years. I am retiring in 6 months - the wife is getting quite nervous - lol.
Exchanging this sensitive data is conducted through FTP sites. The sites, folders, and files are all password protected and each is a different password - three levels of protection. Once the file has been retrieved from the site, it is removed from the server. Passwords should always contain a combination of all these - both upper and lower case letters, numbers, and special characters. I have not checked, but there are free hosting sites like noads.com that are not checked by bots. Do not know if FTP services are an option on these hosts.
With that said, I would like to state that while I can write systems interfaces, manage databases, supervise a staff of subordinates, etc,. I have problems with the TV remote. If file sharing becomes to difficult, you will wear yourself thin handling questions from users experiencing problems. Just look at the issues we had getting this first set of images.
Best of luck - K.I.S.S.
Brad S
Warning - Off topic - skip if you don't mind being underwater ;)
Hi Mags, Wow that's some bad sounding news. Have you been able to find info on that anywhere else? Is it possible it was a prank by a college student with access to the site? Did they state any sources for their info? When I see something like this I usually go to the Astronomy forums. One place has some brilliant members and they are usually able to give the scoop on anything like this. They have a lot of eyes in the sky and some have very high power equipment. They have debunked a few rumors I've seen and backed it up with good astrophysics. I'll probably dig into this a bit. Thanks for the info and good to see you here.
I am curious to about that rock too . got me scared. . I wonder if it was the one Jupiter just took for us?
thank you Brad and you are a great asset here . I am sure Inventacom is gathering the next lot of data . He had to pull it from another place and i can picture trying to show everything and copying and loading and sometime things don't go right . I have worked on my Computers for days at a time backing up and transferring to web sites and checking it only to find it corrupted in an upload .
hang in there with us so we can figure this out .There is really not that many people that have actually posted here it seems.. If the numbers really get big in team size we can use all the help we can get to keep data in check .
I mean if someone wants to see the data just email him . If you want make a rouge email for that purpose .
I want to keep it clean and under his agreement and at the same time how to .
while we wait any clues as to how many of those video motor gen rigs have actually be attempted to replicate ?
i am very curious about the water jet one for years . it seems feasible and i never saw proof if any were fake.
The asteroid is not what you need to worry about. However time is short. I hope this play opens its curtains a little faster.
Off topic but since this can of worms was opened:
Posted questions on an astronomy forum but before getting an answer I found this info that says it is a re-emerging 2010 HOAX:
"The Truth
Don't be fooled by a 2010 re-emerging web hoax, no asteroid is headed for Antartica says Dr. Jaymie Matthews of the University of British Columbia
An unusual â€" and totally ridiculous â€" conspiracy theory emerged in 2010 on the Web connecting UBC Physics & Astronomy, the Antarctic ice shelf, and the threat of a devastating asteroid impact.
Quoting the version of this cosmic urban myth which started circulating in 2010: "University of British Columbia Professor published an on-line article that projected an 800m asteroid would hit Antarctica in the fall of 2012. His article was on the www.phas.ubc.ca website for 2 days before it abruptly disappeared.
Artist's impression of a major impact event. The collision between a planet and an asteroid a few kilometers in diameter may release as much energy as several million nuclear weapons detonating simultaneously.
Credit: Wikipedia
The initial data was gathered by The Balloon-borne Large-Aperture Sub millimeter Telescope (BLAST) at McMurdo Station, Antarctica. The theorized asteroid was then tracked by Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope on Mauna Kea, which (with the Adaptive Optics Bonnette) supplies probably the sharpest images currently obtainable from the ground."
The ONLY true parts of this statement are: (1) there is indeed a balloon-borne instrument called BLAST in which UBC is a key partner, and it does collect data over Antarctica; and (2) the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope and its adaptive optics system do obtain superbly sharp astronomical images.
The rest is ridiculous. BLAST cannot detect asteroids. And no one could extrapolate the orbital path of a newly discovered asteroid to predict two years in advance that it would strike Antarctica (vs. other spots on Earth). No such article ever appeared on the UBC Physics & Astronomy web site.
This is a story on a par with the annual "Mars as big as the Full Moon" hoax that makes the rounds on the web, except that in this case, it can cause people undue alarm. The only reaction to this story should be amusement, followed by anger that some people are willing to prey on public fears and their interest in astronomy.
The Hoax
In 2010, a University of British Columbia Professor published an on-line article that projected an 800m asteroid would hit Antarctica in the fall of 2012.
His article was on the www.phas.ubc.ca website for 2 days before it abruptly disappeared. The initial data was gathered by The Balloon-borne Large-Aperture Sub millimeter Telescope (BLAST) at McMurdo Station, Antarctica. The theorized asteroid was then tracked by Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope on Mauna Kea, which (with the Adaptive Optics Bonnette) supplies probably the sharpest images currently obtainable from the ground."
Also got confirmation from a Moderator at the Astronomy forum. So unless we are being lied to by all these sources I would consider this just another Internet Hoax.
Quote from: e2matrix on September 20, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
Warning - Off topic - skip if you don't mind being underwater ;)
Hi Mags, Wow that's some bad sounding news. Have you been able to find info on that anywhere else? Is it possible it was a prank by a college student with access to the site? Did they state any sources for their info? When I see something like this I usually go to the Astronomy forums. One place has some brilliant members and they are usually able to give the scoop on anything like this. They have a lot of eyes in the sky and some have very high power equipment. They have debunked a few rumors I've seen and backed it up with good astrophysics. I'll probably dig into this a bit. Thanks for the info and good to see you here.
Lol I just looked at the date of the article, and it was 2010. It was linked by The intel Hub . com to this article.
http://reinep.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/huge-asteroid-will-hit-antarctica-in-2012/
Oh well, long haul it is. ;]
It was posted at theintelhub today, and alt news. Most of their stuff is real deal and probably some a lil off kilter.
I for one would like to see 2012 to be done and gone already. Nutso stories, crazy economy, etc. But if we dont look for any answers and just think about what club we are going to this weekend, or the new car, etc, we will be shocked one day. There are so many that are all in happy ville, not knowing the consequences of OBcare, NWO, and why do we have 3600 fema camps across the US. There are maps of where they are.
Ok, Ill stop. Didnt mean for this to get carried away. ;]
Mags
vince wrote:
It seems that being part of the team is near impossible for us mere mortals. I responded to inventacom right after he posted that we should email him if we were interested but I used his overunity email, so I did it again to his own email. No response!
Is there something I'm doing wrong or is this an exclusive project?
I'm not a troll, just want to try and replicate.
Vince
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@vince, same here - I'd be happy to work with you...unless professional credentials and 30 years of proven experience scare you too.. ;)
Well at least there is was an Impact a few days ago when one hit Jupiter .it was massive and speculated to have been headed to earth but by the power of gravity we are saved once more . http://theweek.com/article/index/233170/how-jupiter-might-save-earth-from-devastating-asteroid-strikes (http://theweek.com/article/index/233170/how-jupiter-might-save-earth-from-devastating-asteroid-strikes)
you know guys . no one is getting paid to stay here . We don't know anything that you don't yet.
he will answer you tomorrow so until then relax . If he Don't then skip this topic like a squashed bug.
after all the 21st is in a few hours and Keshe is releasing antigravity ! yea right .
pfff
Gadget
@Gadgetmall
I think the next step in addressing @jfilmmusic and @Vince's concerns is that they want to be part of the team, maybe I'm misreading things here but are they missing the pictures or are they missing inventacom's message saying they were part of the team?
@jfilmmusic and @Vince, what are you asking for exactly here and how can we help you?
Regards,
Paul
@goat
No that is not the case .If one reads the Forum from the beginning they would see the link is still there with the password . I really can't see why i should do it for them . That link for yesterdays file and password are up and posted for the taking and the information as to the wherabouts of inventacom are posted . But i believe that was page 4 or 5 and i was not responsible for that one but it is still up .No one is denied here if they want to be TEAM .
nite guys and If something new comes down the pipe you will know .
gadget out
@Gadget
Thanks for the reply.
@All
Just to mention that I have just downloaded the pictures successfully using the site and password that gadget mentioned.
So as Gadget mentioned the link to the pictures still works here:
http://wikisend.com/download/446578/ivc4ou.ZIP
The password is back on this post :
http://www.overunity.com/12724/free-electric-multi-use-motor-home-gen-car-motor-boat-motor-lawn-mower/msg336876/#msg336876
@jfilmmusic, @Vince and all
If you can't download the pictures please let us know, and if you have any other issues about team membership please ask Gadget or Ematrix as they are now elected Team Leaders, I'm sure all of us can use anyone with valuable skills to help us bring this forward.
I'm pretty sure Inventacom will be back with the schematics by tomorrow so please be patient with him, he's been kind enough so far in trying to bring his invention to light I don't see any reason to doubt him so far.
Regards,
Paul
I think that the only topic discussed here should be about the replication of the machine built by inventacom (http://www.overunity.com/profile/inventacom.67142/)[/color].
No room for nothing else.
Maybe a new thread should be started. No trolls allowed.
Quote from: Goat on September 21, 2012, 01:22:37 AM
I'm pretty sure Inventacom will be back with the schematics by tomorrow so please be patient with him, he's been kind enough so far in trying to bring his invention to light I don't see any reason to doubt him so far.
Your right. There is no reason to 'doubt' him. Except 1.
We most likely all come into these things starting off with 'doubt', biased towards a non OU device state of mind, because of 'experience'.
Unless youve seen or have one? ;] or young to these things
In the beginning of one's OU adventure in life, just about every new device or idea that weve seen out there, there was this excitement. Like wow, this looks like it can work, ya think about it some and say, I believe!!!, Till ya build it and it doesnt work and you figure out why it cant work. Next!! Oh boy look at this one, I believe again!!! Then you build it......
So we can become hardened, some more than others. Can we blame them? Some have been hardened like diamonds made of graphite( makeum real hard kemosabi ) They have dumped a ton of time and money into this stuff and never got nuthin. So whats to believe coming into a discussion for these good fellows? ;] Some just like the fight. ;]
Well I say, some have it, and some dont. lol ;]
I have a skin. Im not hard yet. But I have a layer on me.
So far, since the links of the pics are posted in the thread, I checked them out. maybe just put them up on a page. I dont see any giveaways there. No circuit, with a box of ingredients should be nothing to worry about, and secondly, pictures attract people to a thread. We love the visuals. It makes the text more meaningful.
And some people just like to look at the pictures. ;]
Readers will get very board or disinterested if they have to stand in the background.
Its not even a running demo, of which would have gotten more attraction to the thread right off the bat. So Invent should consider putting a few of the pics up on a page. Some of them could probably be ommited as there are about maybe 4 or 5 I would keep if there is any relevance to the pictures thus far. Like the box. Thats great. But I bet most will build this on a bench or a table, for prototype purposes.
So it would be best to put the components laid out with detail shots so people have critical details as to purchasing the 'exact parts', for a true replication. I mean, if the intent is to have the teams build this, at least put up a parts list. We are at how many pages and no concept, drawing, vid, parts list. It will take time to get all the parts together, faster for some and slower for others. Again, I think it would be safe to do so with the pics. No circuit, with all that stuff? Na, I wouldnt attempt without a schematic or even an 'idea' or concept.
Just a suggestion. ;] Or 2. ;]
Good luck.
MaGs
By now we all agree that this should be laid out as stated or interest and distrusts will grow .
Is is morning and no word from the man so.. here is the way i see it . the pictures from two days ago are open source . they are still available for the world to get . No mention other than in the beginning he was the one to distribute them . this was BEFORE any team was ever mentioned and i have NO Control what you guys want to do with them .I am not a Moderator here . It really does not make sense . It really does not matter Goat if you post it again and again . i was told not to in the agreement i kept to the tee . i am here only to help get the NEW information out if there is any.
If people can't read the thread to start with and see that they are already posted we cannot and will not keep reminding them where OLD pictures are at. this board don't have Sticky's or auto responders so point is it is not my problem and feel free to do what ever makes you happy guys .
we all would be better oFF discussing the links i posted of videos with running motor gen combinations as there really is nothing to discuss yet as mags said . Just a box full of common parts here folks !
inventacom has posted pictures of common parts that as we see it will not work as stated .
If there is various machines that are running his car ,lawnmower , golf cart and house we have not seen them only this Shredder case with common parts as described by him
Either you believe this or you don't . Many Don't and as they stand on reason rather than something fantastical .
That is My honest conclusion thus far with the majority As your Team leader I wait like you do .
Ok I have successfully downladed the file and have emailed Inventacom. Awaiting a password.
I have always wondered why motor / generater attempts always use belts when direct drive or dynamotor configuration would I think be a more efficient / elegant way to go (with proper looping circuitry or rewind).
But no point in second guessing, I will await password.
Vortext1 . Hi A password to What? If you downloaded a file that need a password where did you get it and what is the name of it .the only file i am aware of is the one E2matrix shared with Inventcaom's permission. It has a password posted and there is no other files to share that i am aware of.
Gadget
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 21, 2012, 08:23:28 AM
Vortext1 . Hi A password to What?
Gadget
The password protected picture files I priorly downloaded. 66mb.
Vortex1 . What File is it and where did you get it ? Give the NAME of it . As i said there is one file posted only that i am aware of and it has a posted password .
gadget
Quote from: bugler on September 21, 2012, 02:30:59 AM
I think that the only topic discussed here should be about the replication of the machine built by inventacom (http://www.overunity.com/profile/inventacom.67142/)[/color].
No room for nothing else.
Maybe a new thread should be started. No trolls allowed.
@bugle thanks for the comment . There is nothing to discuss Yet ! it is a box full of common parts(i think) .unless you see something we don't please by all means speak up .
Anyone feel free to talk about anything you like.
This topic is stale but he did not want to show it to begin with .
Either Wait or leave is how i stand .
Gadget
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 21, 2012, 08:30:47 AM
Vortex1 . What File is it and where did you get it ? Give the NAME of it . As i said there is one file posted only that i am aware of and it has a posted password .
gadget
the file is ivc4ou.zip 66mb and is password protected. I will try to go back and find the posted password.
other file downloaded is mcgeorge_generator.zip, 7.9 mb will not open, even with 7zip, says it is not an archive file. (from reply #32)
both were from earlier links posted to this thread.
Edit: OK looks like I only got a partial on the mcgeorge_generator.zip file, am attempting another download.
Oh that file . yes the password link is page back reposted . I cannot say what that password is but it is posted open source a page ago by Goat
yes the original file mcgeorge_generator zip is on a crappy server and crashed for most of us. ivc4ou is a repost of that file
Ok got it and opened. Thanks for pointing me to the password. I read the whole thread at different intervals but somehow missed the PW.
I get it Vortex1 .I am Glad you see what we see . A box full of common parts .
No further info is available and that file is there for all to see with the password .
I excpect it will be deleted soon as Inventacom wants full control of his property right now .
Gadget
I have serious doubts that fan motor could drive the gen with a belt even if the gen had no load, the belt losses alone would be severe for a motor designed for direct drive to a fan.
The pulley on the gen looks like it is for a type 3L or 4L belt, and these alone are a significant frictional load for that type motor.
In short, it would probably overheat the motor and burn out in time.
We should ask that this critical obstacle be explained at a minimum.
time will tell all I guess...patience.
Just some ideas while we await more information on this project. On other threads and other forums, there has been talk lately of the use of flywheels, or torque converters possibly enhancing the power of smaller motors driving larger loads.
From @inventacom, “The pulley's on both the gen head and 12v dc motor have been custom machined to make these work.â€
And
“You are probably refering to the load resistance of the gen head vs dc motor output? That has been worked out. I did run into that problem so yes modifications had to be made to make it work.â€
I only mention this to get some talking points started while we await more information. As, several have said that the images contain fairly generic parts, I think we have not yet been privy to the magic. Looking at the placement of the components, there does not appear to be a lot of space for a monster pulley / flywheel / torque converter system.
@gadgetmall, The water pump generator system you posted does have a US patent. I remember coming across that a while back and I also seem to think that the inventor mentioned that a friend had done something to the generator head. If you would like the patent, let me know and I can look for it.
Until further notice,
Brad S
that would be great Brad . I don't have a clue as to even start looking for the patent without a named device .
I really would like to see that. Also that BIG 45kw generator video looks feasible to run it self and would be a worthy project if one had the money and or resource . . A twist of the shaft runs a side grinder. 750 rpm puts out 45KW . wow these are real and for sale . example here's one 1300KW @ 750 rpm . Cost a fortune .4094363.0000 US dollars http://www.ebay.pl/itm/Wind-Water-Magnet-Generator-1300kw-1-3MW-750rpm-/280966169403?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_212&hash=item416ae3833b (http://www.ebay.pl/itm/Wind-Water-Magnet-Generator-1300kw-1-3MW-750rpm-/280966169403?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_212&hash=item416ae3833b)
As we see there is no free energy there :) But hey if your a billion air it's pocket change to have your very own self running power station.
Something that big could kill you with the juice it produced with one twist on the shaft.
thanks Brad .
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 21, 2012, 10:05:35 AM
that would be great Brad . I don't have a clue as to even start looking for the patent without a named device .
Here you go -
This is also featured in Patrick J. Kelly "Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices" Chapter 2
Brad S
Oh Yes, the Jim Hardy waterwheel....whatever happened with that? no replicators? 2007 patent app still not granted, AFAIK. (as far as I know) no pun intended.
Regarding the use of flywheels....they only add instantaneous peak power reserve to a system, and act like supercapacitors that supplement batteries in an electric dragster.
All of the systems I have seen using flywheels and lots of belts and pulleys only seem to obscure the truth.
If a flywheel gave you something for free, you could just run one directly from the shaft a PM DC motor (which is also a generator) and eliminate all the obfuscation.
Torque converters and transmissions are the equivalent analog to electrical transformers,
torque vs. speed........current vs voltage. No power gains in these. Yet.....
Still we hope and do research.
From what I have picked up Inventacom does have a job and if he is stilll doing handyman work as he mentioned he may be busy between that and getting the info to his computer I'm still going to assume it's just life as usual - things always taking longer to get done than one expects. For us on the waiting side it seems like forever. But I would expect to hear from him by Saturday or Sunday at the latest. If not then we may consider whether we want to think we've been scammed or whether the MIB's got him ;)
It does seem there have been more motor related inventors get trouble in some way or another than other types of inventions.
As far as how I think this may work here are some thoughts. There are several devices including the blind Peruvian inventor whose device has gotten a lot of attention. A very good engineer on energeticforum has thoroughly analyzed how this unit is getting extra energy. Some of the sharpest people over there are looking at it and seem to be in agreement that indeed it can get extra energy coming into the system. I believe (I haven't studied the message thread well) that it is a combination of well timed gravity and inertial forces. We've seen this before in some other systems which use fairly large or heavy flywheels. I even suspect that may be why those were not shown in the pictures we have so far as that may be where the magic is at and maybe inventacom was still not certain how far he wanted to go with this (all speculation I know but that's all I've got at the moment). The Chas Campbell setup also comes to mind as seen in Patrick Kelly's free energy book. While he seems sincere in claiming it is free energy and I think it may be I don't know of anyone who has replicated it. It would involve quite a bit of precision building and some detailed specs. I don't believe there is a lot of details available so it may be another one of those potential units that is real but just a bit more than most people want to get into.
In looking at Inventacoms bracket that holds the Fan motor I found it surprisingly thick. It looks like 1/4" or 5/16" thick steel for a fairly small motor. Why would he use something that thick? I think it is possible there may be a pulley that is off balance or something that is not a standard symmetrical pulley which may need the extra strength of that really thick bracket to keep things stable. Any way that's just my guesses at this point.
Hi Guys;
I was really skeptical about that little 12 volt blower motor being able to turn that generator so I did a little testing.
I have a Nissan Micra blower motor which is 12 volts and 160 watts according to the nameplate. I know inventacom has a bigger motor but I still think this should give a close representation.
I hooked it up to 3 different loads to see if it could cut it.
Here's my results.
!/2 hp induction motor 120 volts, about 1 to 1 ratio, using dishwasher belt.
Motor would get to 1700 rpm and with capacitors I was able to get about 4 volts ac
Blower motor gets hot.
2 HP, 220volt Baldor motor, about 1 to 2 ratio, using dishwasher belt.
Motor could not get above 100 rpm and with capacitors would not produce power because it was no where near required speed
Blower motor gets really hot and struggles
2HP @120 DC PM motor, 14 amps @ 6000 rpm,approx 1 to 1 ratio using dishwasher belt.
Motor would easily spin over 4000 rpm and produced about 36 volts DC
In all cases the blower motor was powered by a battery charger set on 60 amp 12volt boost circuit. It almost always drew about 40 amps.
I just can't see that little motor turning that generator to the right rpm as it looks.
Vince
Sorry forgot these!
Vince, Thanks for the tests! Great job on getting some numbers. That is what I think most of us would expect with a standard setup. However inventacom did say he had a custom pulley. So we don't know at this point what that means. It could have a pendelum on it or something very unusual for all we know. But I agree a standard setup between a little fan motor and a big generator just doesn't make sense there could be overunity without something special in the mix.
Some other far fetched speculation : inventacom got hold of some fan motor that was slipped through that is actually an overunity motor in itself with special wiring or circuitry in it. A rogue car engineer knew how the high current draw could run down car batteries and decided to slip this in the production line. Well I can dream can't I ? :)
In thinking about that particular type of motor and a car I had years ago with an electric radiator fan I do recall it running after the engine was turned off sometimes. I even put a manual switch on it so I could shut it off to keep from running down an already marginal battery. My reason for bringing this up is I would assume these particular motors would need to be designed with very high efficiency for that reason. I know some cars have 2 of those motors behind the radiator. Sounds like a good motor choice for some experiments (like UFOPolitics Asymmetrical motor rewind).
Hello Guys and Gals . I just received an Email from inventacom ..
He will be showing a set up running
Here is the problem . He was not prepared to even show the device to begin with .
he is working with a VHS camcorder and had to get a kit to transfer it to a computer then convert . The computer is not his friend and the following quote is for all of us " I know by showing the machine working in
the video, the doubters will turn to believers and we can move things
forward"
Ok He is in the field working and will send the team leaders what he has so far when he gets home later .. to be shown are drawings some specs and a video . It looks Like movie night soon ! Stay Tuned for another exciting Adventure In Team Mcgeorge and His Generator !
I had sent him an email earlier explaining the situation . I guess i was again persuaded to be a bit more critical. There is a working machine he is going to show soon . Due to his work and the amount of trouble he states that things have to slow down . he does have a family and kids also and has stated he is just a simple old fashion person .
I thank him for doing his best as we all would like instant gratification but that is not going to happen .
So with that anyone that has joined the team by sending him an email consider yourself part of the team if it did not bounce.
i await like you guys .
that is all for now .
Gadget
Thanks for sharing Gadged...
Thanks for the update gadget. I was just shutting down the computer here and won't be back till later this evening so I won't be able to pass info on if it gets sent out until later tonight. I haven't yet set up an autoresponder but will later tonight or tomorrow. Good news that we are getting more soon!
The pulleys & Belts
I do some sailing, and when there is a lot of wind, it can be hard to handle the sails by hand.
One of the things we use is a "block of pulleys" (Not sure how it is called in English)
With this block, you gain a lot of power.
Normally you trade something for power, speed or distance etc.
But with this pulley setup i'm not sure, because you pull the rope in and thus a shortening the rope , moving the sail the same distance.
Why do I tell this.. This means you can "strengthen'" the input motor, by using the right pully setup.
I attache a picture of the thing mentioned:
Now imagine the input engine pulling at rope nr 6 and the generator giving load at rope 1 , 1 and 6 are linked at the "inactive side"
Secondly I also think that why most of this kind of inventions use an "indirect" connection like magnets, or belts etc. instead of direct drive is to give the system some space and momentum.
I kind of mechanical capacitor combined with some unbalance due to the non stable connection to create the famous "NASA slingshot".
I hope I make some sense ;-)
E2Matrix, BRILLIANT Post about how powerful & efficient radiator fan MOTORS can be. I too have experienced that.
The electric fan Motor in my car is so powerful it could slice some fingers right off a hand.
I just did an Ebay search on them & some are rated in CFM (Cubic Feet per Minute), & some are rated in Watts.
Maybe when the time comes we should consider a radiator fan MOTOR for this experiment (minus the fan blade, of course).
It seems like it would be much more powerful & efficient than a car heater blower motor.
Click on this Link to see more:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=12V+radiator+fan&_sacat=0&_odkw=12+radiator+fan&_sop=15&_osacat=0 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=12V+radiator+fan&_sacat=0&_odkw=12+radiator+fan&_sop=15&_osacat=0)
2nd photo is with the fan blades off.
Thanks to all the input and test everyone to start this Discussion .
Thanks Brad for that patent you posted for me .
I looked up all the parts we see in his cabinet and the cost from ebay is less than 600 dollars for the gen head ,converter ,fan motor and fuse buss and meters and switches. It can be a slight investment but if it can run a house which should not take more than 6000 watts at any given time it is a good investment .With a timer on a water heater i do save over a 1000 dollars a year . and unplugging unnecessary devices not being used is also a good saver of watts . Unplugging just a microwave oven clock saves me 26watts and the little chargers are vampires taking 9 -11 watts when not used Also newer led and clf are a must for watt savings . a Power saving phase capacitor can help save watts by storing start power for refrigerator and heat pumps. when you are poor you invest a little and get a lot back .
We are on Standby Still So hang in there ........................................................................................
Here is the stargate demo showing you can increase the power of a motor and decrease the current used. this also may be part of his setup as this can be added to any dc motor with magnets . Or this might even be an idea to Improve your Design Inventacom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e0c0VlMe74 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e0c0VlMe74)
Another suggestion would be to not feed the dc motor with pure Dc But through a converting PWM circuit to reduce current flow and control speed .
Thanks Fatbird - just observations that may be of value here. Thanks for the eBay link.
Good thought gadget on the stargate info. The guy who did all that is selling kits now and I believe he is really onto some good things. He's very articulate in his presentations too and obviously very knowledgeable. I think the stargate concept can probably help any motor of that type be more efficient. I got your PM's. Maybe at the start at least we'll just handle it without the autoresponder. I guess we will need a list from Inventacom as far as who is on? I'm still a little unclear on how we need to handle that part of it. I thought anyone who has been on this thread would be on the team so to speak but Inventacom needs to limit it some way he will need to let us know. My thoughts are that anyone who was signed up on this forum before this message thread started should be good to go (with the possible exception of some serious troll types). Everyone's registration date can be checked just by looking at their profile. But again it's all up to the boss ...
Thanks to some info gadgetmall passed on to me I believe we will be waiting on Inventacom to get one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Easycap-USB-2-0-Audio-Video-VHS-to-DVD-Converter-Capture-Card-Adapter-/320975956888?forcev4exp=true&forceRpt=true so he can transfer his VHS video to his computer. These are only around $10 with shipping of eBay . I've sent Inventacom email about this and how it works. So unless he buys one local (I'd bet Radio Shack has something like this but expect to pay big bucks - probably $50 or more) we may have a week or so to see the video but hopefully he can get the other info diagrams etc. before that.
Hehe. ... I nailed that right I just checked Radio Shack and they have them for $49.99 plus tax ;)
Hi E2Matrix,
Thanks for the props. ;) I know there are a lot of good builders here so who ever Inventacom chooses will be good.
Hi Vince,
Thanks for sharing.
I think the secret sauce to Inventacom's device is the "additional attachments" or "specially machined part".
Hi Fatbird,
Electric snow thrower motors are also good. Made for high torque, high speed and able to throw heavy wet snow up to 30ft. 15amp models can throw up to 700lbs of snow per minute (11 lbs/sec).
Quote from: DreamThinkBuild on September 22, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
Hi E2Matrix,
Thanks for the props. ;) I know there are a lot of good builders here so who ever Inventacom chooses will be good.
Hi Vince,
Thanks for sharing.
I think the secret sauce to Inventacom's device is the "additional attachments" or "specially machined part".
Hi Fatbird,
Electric snow thrower motors are also good. Made for high torque, high speed and able to throw heavy wet snow up to 30ft. 15amp models can throw up to 700lbs of snow per minute (11 lbs/sec).
I agree that is probably where the 'magic' is in this device - pulley or custom part he mentioned.
I'm totally unfamiliar with snow throwers. Do they run off DC or 12 volts range? They sound very powerful but a quick scan on eBay left the impression they are 120 volt AC powered or gas powered. For this setup like Inventacom has I think we need a 12 volt DC or something close to that rather than 120 volt AC motor. Like I say I don't know anything about snow throwers other than what I saw in a quick look on eBay but if they have 12 volt or even 24 volt DC that might be a good choice too.
While we are waiting for more info to arrive some may want to take a look at this information on EF. I'd start at this page (4) and then maybe go back to the first page. I mention page 4 is a good start point because you can quickly see the in depth level of analysis that has been done by an engineer on the design and how it is multiplying force. Here :
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11282-awarded-machine-multiply-force-motor-free-energy-4.html
I believe for Inventacom's device to work it may involve something similar to this. Still speculation at this point but it seems the most likely way I can think of.
Hi E2matrix,
The snow thrower motors are AC. I ran through an inverter from the battery being charged by the alternator. :)
The picture here is a Toro snow shovel motor, not snow thrower motor but they are designed similarly.
The other picture is my mobile motor/gen testing shelf. It is partially disassembled in the picture, I had a different motor mounted on it before. I use it to quickly pop motors/gens on and off to test. The snow shovel motor consume 720watts when running a 60amp Delco alternator charging a battery. No pulley ratio change but I cracked it by dropping it so I need to get a new pulley that fits.
I think I understand the setup you were using. Did you see anything interesting with that setup? I know many years ago I saw a free energy device being sold on eBay. It apparently had several alternators in it (5 I think), a motor to drive them and a battery. It claimed to be free energy. I contacted the person who bought it and asked him if it was working. He said it seemed to be working as claimed so far. I lost track of that person's contact and never was able to get any more info about it.
I tried that same setup with the blower motor yesterday, both on a 50 amp alternator and another 90 volt DC PM motor and was getting some good output. The problem I'm having is how to feed that DC power back to the battery. It seems that if you try and feed another load or another battery it's OK but when you try to feed the original battery it either slows everything down or fights the driver motor.
Vince
Quote from: vince on September 22, 2012, 04:04:45 PM
I tried that same setup with the blower motor yesterday, both on a 50 amp alternator and another 90 volt DC PM motor and was getting some good output. The problem I'm having is how to feed that DC power back to the battery. It seems that if you try and feed another load or another battery it's OK but when you try to feed the original battery it either slows everything down or fights the driver motor.
Vince
isolate it maybe with large rectifiers or diodes in to an E-cap then one more diode to the battery.it is loading the generator so it's out put need to be regulated i think also . Replace to the battery only what you take to run . How that is accomplished is another matter.
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Also the other TEAM LEADERS are E2matrix and one other who has not confirmed yet.
Thank you for your participation and I hope that we all can at least learn from his machine and help improve it if possible .
Gadget
So by agreeing to be on the team, are we also agreeing that we must replicate? What if we agree then are unable to afford the replication? I mean he could be using some rare element that costs a fortune to build, or something that is our of our means? I agree never to share the info, but if it is out of my budget to replicate then it wouldn't be fair.
Hi Vince,
Yes, isolation is needed, along with some means of regulation. I assume the the output voltage from either the alternator or the DC motors is galvanically inherently separated from the driver motor's input voltage because of the belt drive, right? But beyond that, some kind of matching i.e. bringing the two voltage levels somehow near to each other is also needed, ideally this is a DC/DC converter. MAybe a PC power supply could serve up to a certain power level: its input could receive your 80-90V DC (no problem that it is normally fed by AC) and its 12V output may be useful for the driver motor. Also, an inverter could also be used, perhaps with some modification if it seems worth doing it due to some 'promising' result.
@Drak you do not have to replicate as some do not have the resource or money .You are agreeing that you will not share this information and you will attempt to help the team project .I don't know you but i do know most all the team members/ou members and their intentions and qualifications and Status Quo. I know you have been a member since 2006
What is your Specialties ? If you have nothing to contribute then there is no real need to be on a team is there ?
He did ask all team members to post a description of any skills the team has .
I know all of the board wants to get in on this and there is a lot better qualified members than me also But i do have things to contribute that i think can help .
In the future we will sort all this out but now his request will be honored because he IS sharing it whatever IT is :)
We as team member can determine if it can be replicated and if so is it worth it .
thanks
I am getting worst on my typing so i corrected my email address in the previous post after i reread it . I am Ill so please bare with me if i type wrong .
it is
gadgetmall@earthlink.net please use the phrase Team McGeorge verification in the subject line so it can be routed to another email i have . Please don't forget your Ou user name also in that email . some of you i filled it in because i know you .
@E2matrix should have an email setup sometime this weekend.
Yes it is Extreme measures for me and e2matrix and the team members . I can tell you i would not be doing this if i did not think there was something more to his devices .
Either way it turns out i myself have committed to follow through and keep my word .If it is real or a pipe dream i know i at least did the best i can do. I do not at this point have any reasons to believe he is fake so i will help .
that is all for now
Gadget
Hello to all that made it on the team. A special thank you to our team leaders for an outstanding job.
Sorry to have been away from the board lately. Running a business is a very demanding job and upon entering this board, I had nothing prepared to show. Everything that has been done to build this unit and make it work was all done mainly on a note pad written by hand as well as the drawings while working on it.
I am currently working on getting everything onto computer to share with our team. I have sent few more files to our team leaders but they are complete. I tried breaking things into understandable parts first. I am now working on an entire parts list as well as a schematic to the entire system. I have not yet showed the circuitry, capacitors, and additional switches, etc. that is needed for everything to run in sequence. I am open to questions right now. The video showing this device is on the way. I am awaiting a device to arrive that will convert my VHS video to digital for computer. You can then see it working. Thanks for the patients. I am an old fashioned computer/electronics illiterate.
Sorry all. After reviewing files i sent, i noticed I had sent the wrong drawing relating to swith entiled: new-hook-up.jpeg. Please disregard this file. It needs corrections. It's not complete. I will send the leaders the correct file.
Hopefully I will be accepted as a team member; and yes I want to replicate this motor generator. I have sent both emails.
I will offer help to members of the team that will fit in the skills of an electrician.
To be a team member requires team members to participate and contribute in some way. As far as the parts for this unit, I have approximately $500 in the whole unit. This is because of the custom pulleys and gen head mostly. Although, its cost me $500 I saved that in first 3 months of running it. Once you recoup the price of gen vs elect bills, the unit becomes a profitable devices. A major return on your investment. Now, I started with a 5500 watt but these gen heads come in much higher watts. Additional modification is needed I'm sure the larger head you use. I'm experimenting with a larger one now.
Everyone says the system looks to simple to work. Simple is all I do and if the combination of the right componets are set up correctly, then simple works fine. The reason for my decision to share what I have done is because it is simple to me and with the help of the expertise we have on this team, we can make this into something even simpler and more efficient and durable. Like I stated before. I go to junk yards, auto salvage, yard sales, etc to find what I need either free or dirt cheap. The most expensive thing I purchased was the gen head because I got it brand new years ago. I'm sure a quality used one would do just as good for a fraction of the cost.
If you want to be a team member but you have no skills, nothing to offer the team and you're not going to try and replicate. Then I don't see your purpose for being on the team.
Thank you Inventacom !
To all those who are being verified please allow me a bit of time to send you your Vericications and Files as they are sent to be .
I am working as fast as i can :) I have to tag you verified in my program with a list i got from Inventacom and i am not that fast so please Stand BY .
@E2matrix can you email me Please. i need a bit of help in sorting and distributing to Team
Also anyone in the list that can do renderings can you email me .
I have not even had time to look at any files or encrypt them but i feel Inventacom may need you at this time .
At this time i am sending verification emails ..
Thank you guys and gals .
Gadget
Team McGeorge Team Leader
Email and PM sent. Also a question via email to Inventacom. I'm here and ready to help.
Quote from: vince on September 21, 2012, 03:05:31 PM
Hi Guys;
I was really skeptical about that little 12 volt blower motor being able to turn that generator so I did a little testing.
I have a Nissan Micra blower motor which is 12 volts and 160 watts according to the nameplate. I know inventacom has a bigger motor but I still think this should give a close representation.
I hooked it up to 3 different loads to see if it could cut it.
Here's my results.
!/2 hp induction motor 120 volts, about 1 to 1 ratio, using dishwasher belt.
Motor would get to 1700 rpm and with capacitors I was able to get about 4 volts ac
Blower motor gets hot.
2 HP, 220volt Baldor motor, about 1 to 2 ratio, using dishwasher belt.
Motor could not get above 100 rpm and with capacitors would not produce power because it was no where near required speed
Blower motor gets really hot and struggles
2HP @120 DC PM motor, 14 amps @ 6000 rpm,approx 1 to 1 ratio using dishwasher belt.
Motor would easily spin over 4000 rpm and produced about 36 volts DC
In all cases the blower motor was powered by a battery charger set on 60 amp 12volt boost circuit. It almost always drew about 40 amps.
I just can't see that little motor turning that generator to the right rpm as it looks.
Vince
My first attempt was only the dc motor and gen head
Belt Length 29~1/16"
RPM Small 4200 - Gen head
RPM Large 1400 - DC motor
Belt Speed 2199.1 ft/min
For the two, it ran it perfectly and it will also produce power as I powered lights and other small things. With just this setup. I found out that the more load I added the more difficult it was to keep everything working. You can not do this with just any dc motor. I went through many before settling with the DC motor I have. The RPMs around 2200 and very strong torque. So I decided to take the load off the DC motor by adding a custom gear box (Sort of transmission if you may) adding a pulley to each side and instead of going direct from dc motor to gen head, I found that adding the gear box was a major issue fix. My goal was to perfect the torque to speed ratio and vice versa. With this gear box I was also able to reduce the stress from the dc motor by lowering it's rpm output and reserve what rpms were left so I could use it when the gen head required it.
I recommend everyone who is going to try and replicate this to use the dc motors that are used to keep your radiators cool automatically. They are built in ways most others motors aren't I went through many different motors before deciding on this dc motor. It's continuous run, casing is ventilated, nice rpms, strong torque, etc. You can get a dual set at junkyard for around 20 bux. I did. I used 1 and have a spare. But there is more to this unit then just motors. I am getting things together for the team leaders to share right now. Selection of belts and pulleys are also crucial. Mine have been custom made for this unit
At this time I'm going to ask that those on the team as mentioned above by gadgetmall send email to this address which I will be using for all communication from now on for anything related to Inventacom's device and discussion here. Inventacom and gadgetmall please also use this email from now on (although I'll still check the other one to make sure I don't miss anything). This is the email to use (note I think everyone understands what the email really is and that it is written out this way to prevent SPAM bots from flooding the address - if you don't understand send a PM) : oumot22 at gmail dot com
NOTE: for clarification all the verifications have to come from Inventacom. He is sending them to gadgetmall who is sending them to me at this time and I'm sending out email with the file links and password. So do not send email to me for verification as that needs to go to Inventacom first.
Thanks Inventacom for that pic and explanation. I do believe those radiator fan motors are part of the key. I have a couple questions but will hold off on them until I get the files from gadgetmall as they may have the answers.
gadgetmall did you get my email yet I sent to earthlink?
E2matrix . On the way . Sorting usernames and related emails of verified ..
Any Verified Team Member be sure to include you USERNAME with your emails
Any Team Member that did not get a verified email either the username is missing or no verification email was sent to
gadgetmall@earthlink.net
Or i am still processing them ..
you are flagged on my end if you were sent Verified return Email
thanks
gadget
Quote from: e2matrix on September 23, 2012, 03:00:08 PM
Thanks Inventacom for that pic and explanation. I do believe those radiator fan motors are part of the key.
What would this mean if it is? Does it mean that some automotive fan motors are OU?
I have a few different ones that i saved from replacements where the motor is ok but another component(large resistor, speed control circuit) that is incorporated in the framework of the fan goes bad and only the whole unit is available. I replaced my Fiero cooling fan with one from a Volvo, one that was as I described had other issues and the fan was ok, and it cools much better at about the same draw at 12v.
But if the motors are not OU, then profiling the best motor of them all would be a good idea, to get the best of the best for best results.
Also, if motor isnt OU, then is the generator ou? OR, is the gear down/up between the 2 somehow cause some kind of power shift in order to provide more out in the end?
It seems like those kinds of things have been well studied and documented. hmm
Finally, there is the difference in the motor and gen operating rpms and power requirements, electrical and mechanical inputs.
Say if one uses a motor and gen combo that operate at the same rpms normally and are connected as such, a 1 to 1 ratio gearing. If the motor is say to be on the high side 80% eff and the gen 85%, we are around a 35% loss.
But I never thought of using a high rpm motor to run a low rpm gen.
This is a strange thought. Lets say for example our motor is 4000 rpm and the gen needs 1000 rpm for simplicity. Now lets say the motor at 4000 rpm is 1hp and the gen needs 2 hp at 1000 rpm. Well if we gear it down from the motor, are we getting 4 hp at 1000 rpm available at the gen ? :o :o :o :o Strange thought isnt it?
The rpm conversion seems to be key. Like if I just told you that I was powering a gen that needs 2hp with a 1hp motor, would you think Im nuts? ;]
Without either the motor or the gen being ou, this is the only thing I can come up with, for now. ;)
MaGs is in the house ;]
Hi Mags Some key elements are in the files being sent.. stand by ..
Lots of work on this end to keep it in the team .
I only glanced at them and have not had time to read any post here yet ..
E2matrix now has some of the verified email address's and usernames so the files are going out to Team members Verified so far..
Hi all,
Just a quick email to show appreciation to E2 and Gadget.
I can appreciate just how much extra work it is to corordinate this entire exercise.
So, on behalf of all of us, a BIG THANKYOU!
Cheers, Penno
Thanks:)
Anyone who has NOT received a verification Email please resend as stated in previous Post to gadgetmall AT earthlink.net with the required information AND Your OU username ..
you will be Verified when you get an email saying you are verified..
Whew... Wiping Sweat here
gadget
Thanks:)
Anyone who has NOT received a verification Email please resend as stated in previous Post #167
ONLY VERIFICATION EMAILS RIGHT NOW AS THERE ARE QUITE A FEW !
Whew... Wiping Sweat here but i think most of the team has looked at inventacom's media .
gadget
Yep it's turning into a bit more work than I expected so far but I'm fine with helping out as long as I can keep out of trouble with the other half :) I just sent out the info for verified members I've gotten so far from gadgetmall with links to the encrypted file and a password for it. I'm using 2 comptuers so far to do this. Got lunch just put in front of me so I'll be off a few minutes. I've got a couple questions on some emails I got from members so I'll be back shortly.
Because of the way I sent this out I'd like to hear from Fatbird as soon as possible that he received the email as this will confirm for me that my setup worked to send out to everyone I have so far.
Fatbird you can just send a brief reply here please that you did or did not receive the file links and pw. Thanks.
Quote from: Magluvin on September 23, 2012, 03:34:28 PM
What would this mean if it is? Does it mean that some automotive fan motors are OU?
I have a few different ones that i saved from replacements where the motor is ok but another component(large resistor, speed control circuit) that is incorporated in the framework of the fan goes bad and only the whole unit is available. I replaced my Fiero cooling fan with one from a Volvo, one that was as I described had other issues and the fan was ok, and it cools much better at about the same draw at 12v.
But if the motors are not OU, then profiling the best motor of them all would be a good idea, to get the best of the best for best results.
Also, if motor isnt OU, then is the generator ou? OR, is the gear down/up between the 2 somehow cause some kind of power shift in order to provide more out in the end?
It seems like those kinds of things have been well studied and documented. hmm
Finally, there is the difference in the motor and gen operating rpms and power requirements, electrical and mechanical inputs.
Say if one uses a motor and gen combo that operate at the same rpms normally and are connected as such, a 1 to 1 ratio gearing. If the motor is say to be on the high side 80% eff and the gen 85%, we are around a 35% loss.
But I never thought of using a high rpm motor to run a low rpm gen.
This is a strange thought. Lets say for example our motor is 4000 rpm and the gen needs 1000 rpm for simplicity. Now lets say the motor at 4000 rpm is 1hp and the gen needs 2 hp at 1000 rpm. Well if we gear it down from the motor, are we getting 4 hp at 1000 rpm available at the gen ? :o :o :o :o Strange thought isnt it?
The rpm conversion seems to be key. Like if I just told you that I was powering a gen that needs 2hp with a 1hp motor, would you think Im nuts? ;]
Without either the motor or the gen being ou, this is the only thing I can come up with, for now. ;)
MaGs is in the house ;]
Not really sure Mags but that's a theory. I'm still thinking along the lines of some sort of power surge resonance setup caused by slack in the pulley's. belts and gearbox.
Hi E2,
I can confirm the mail has arrived but, the PW is incorrect.
Cheers, Penno
Quote from: penno64 on September 23, 2012, 04:42:19 PM
Hi E2,
I can confirm the mail has arrived but, the PW is incorrect.
Cheers, Penno
Hmmm. I tried decrypting my own encrypted file before sending it out and it worked. Please send me the pw you got at :
oumot22 at gmail dot com
Hi .
I still have a few more to go that are missing information , please read post reply 167 for instructions
Be sure to make the subject line Team McGeorge Verification or i will not get it.
include what was stated in #167
thanks
Gadget
Thats right , and sadly my Mobile Phone Account is not configured for paying for the download via [size=78%]http://depositfiles.com (http://depositfiles.com/)[/size]
penno, I just downloaded the files from both servers and verified that the password I sent out works on both. If you copy and pasted the password please check that you don't have an extra space before or after the password. Maybe try typing it in manually too.
There is one other possiblility for a problem if you are in a non English country and don't have a standard English keyboard set it's possible some characters in the password might be interpreted incorrectly.
Quote from: TheCell on September 23, 2012, 04:51:01 PM
Thats right , and sadly my Mobile Phone Account is not configured for paying for the download via [size=78%][/size]
Is that why you are called thecell ? no computer? give us time and we will figure this out by a few more days ..
please guys be patient . we are not going anywhere ..
I can see it will take a few days to get all the information straight and them we can discuss ,replicate and provide input for the Inventacom project .
In the meantime please carry on ..
i am taking a break ,,
gadget
Hang on eveyone. I apologize as there does seem to be a problem. Penno sent me the same password I sent out. I'll dig into this right away to see what the problem is. It is possible the Zip packer I used is not the same as WinZip or other common packers although I would not have expected that to be a problem. Please if anyone does have success with the password post here ASAP. That will help figure out where the problem is.
OKAY I see where the problem is. It's the Zip packer I used is one internal to Total Commander. Apparently that's not compatible with Winzip or 7zip. If anyone has Total Commander (awesome file handling program) that will allow you to get it right now. But in the next couple minutes I'll re-upload the files and send out new links but it will still use the same password. Sorry for that issue.
New email has been sent to everyone on the previous list I had. It has the new links to files which were compressed in ZIP format with the latest WinRAR (note they are in ZIP format though). That should be more compatible with most everyones Zip unpackers. If not grab WinZip, WinRAR or 7Zip as I believe all those are compatible but WinRAR is what I used to ZIP them. I'll check to see if there are any new additional members now that I got that resolved.
Hi Guys
I was curious on the speed of the rad fan motors so I did another test of a Japanese fan I had.
It is mounted to a 4 blade 12" dia. fan.
Without the blade mounted it ran at 5320 rpm ( that's no load)
With factory design fan load it ran at 1701 rpm (design load)
From this I would say that any drive ratio that is required to run the desired gen head be based on the motor pulley running at or near its designed loaded speed to get optimum efficiency from the motor.
Inventacom, is this a correct assumption?
Vince
Vince, I think you are right on your theory of Load RPM vs No Load RPM. Thank you for sharing that.
Hi FatBird,
I had the same problem so I downloaded and installed Total Commander. The files opened with no problem in Total Commander.
Total Commander website
http://www.ghisler.com/
I want one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-KW-ST-Generator-Head-1-Phase-for-Diesel-Gas-Engine-/330790273544?pt=BI_Generators&hash=item4d04a30208 1800 rpm 5kw ..
vince, Thanks for running those tests. I wouldn't have thought of that being reduced that much under the fan blade load but that's a very good point. I'm sure that is a good assumption that the motor be run somewhere in it's normal load range. It can probably be plus or minus maybe 20 or 30% or so and still work but it's a point to consider for optimization.
@ALL - I did send out a second email. That email contains new different links for the file which should be fixed so that it can be unzipped by WinRAR (which is what I used this time) or WinZip or 7Zip. So if you are having trouble make sure you have the new email with the new links and try either of those 2 file servers to re-download the file. It has now been tested with WinRAR, WinZip and 7Zip. It works fine with all three archivers, unarchivers.
Quote from: DreamThinkBuild on September 23, 2012, 06:17:09 PM
Hi FatBird,
I had the same problem so I downloaded and installed Total Commander. The files opened with no problem in Total Commander.
Total Commander website
http://www.ghisler.com/
Thanks for posting that too as that's also a solution to extract the earlier ones I sent out. Awesome program for file handling and way better that Windows Explorer. I may have an older version that was not compatible with current Zip file protocols - not sure but other than that it's been one of my favorite programs for over a decade.
Fatbird can you please edit out the info you have above on the password? I know no one is going to guess such a random password from that but we aren't giving 'em a bloody chance at all. By the way I am having some confusion with an email I got from either you or someone. Please check your email. If you didn't get an email from me about 'some confusion' please send me an email immediately. I may be confused on this but it seems there may be 2 FatBirds and I know that's not likely so I need to hear from you please ;)
IMPORTANT: There seems to be some people who are sending email to gadgetmall to get verification. He's getting run ragged and needs a rest so I'm posting this for him. EVERYONE who wants to be a team member needs simply send an email to Inventacom as gadgetmall mentioned in a previous post. gadgetmall is NOT the same person as Inventacom and gadgetmall said it appears some think he is the same person or they have not read correctly how to get verified. You must send email to Inventacom - his email is :
inventacom at embarqmail dot com <----we post email this way so spam bots don't pick it up - I'm sure everyone understands what the actual email address is? That is the only person who can verify you. He will then send the verification to gadgetmall or me and then I can send out links. Sorry for this trouble but the boss wants it this way and I'm sure it's going to be worth it if this works as well as I think it will. Cheers
:) . Yes what he said . plus after you send inventacom your intentions and get a reply from him you follow post167 for further instructions .......
that is all / Now i am out probably till morning and it will give me chance to see what it is and read some back post and pm message i missed today . Also making a solid list of His Team for Inventacom.
gadget
Ps. thanks E2matrix and every one who is now verified Team McGeorge . congrats on this first day of doing the impossible .. remember your oath .
IMPORTANT UPDATE ON PASSWORD: Geeezzz, I've been flying between two computers on this and rather than being able to copy and paste things like the password I typed it in and missed one letter. I'm checking in a minute to see if the password was correct for the first file sent out today. It was not correct. I'll be resending the password to everyone in a minute. I apologize for the troubles. I've been flying along on the k/b today more than I have in a long time....
Hi E2,
Corrected password worked.
Kind Regards, Penno
Corrected pass has been sent. If anyone wasn't on the original list you may not have it yet. I'm following up to make sure everyone gets it.
Quote from: penno64 on September 23, 2012, 07:23:33 PM
Hi E2,
Corrected password worked.
Kind Regards, Penno
Ah thanks Penno, whew!!! Sorry it's been a bit chaotic.
Quote from: e2matrix on September 23, 2012, 07:29:10 PM
Ah thanks Penno, whew!!! Sorry it's been a bit chaotic.
Ahh . thats how you spell it huh .chaotic ..i was thinking of something a bit more harder :)
send me that link please when you get the time E2
Gadget
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 23, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
Ahh . thats how you spell it huh .chaotic ..i was thinking of something a bit more harder :)
send me that link please when you get the time E2
Gadget
Sent - I'm going to go rest a bit now but I'll check in a little later.
I'm not sure who to ask , as everyone is busy with files and e mail etc but were we supposed to get some new files e mailed to us if we are on the team? I seem to be the only one that has not received any and I know that I was told I was on the team. Hopefully it's just cause everyone is so busy.
Also, I was wondering if I should be sharing my results as I progress or do we not post info on this forum unless authorized.
Vince
hi Vince .I am handling the verifications for Inventacom . did you go through the process in post 167 ? I have seen too many names today and i don't recall one so please email me and we can check whats going on . .if you are verified and send me a note you will be flagged RED and i will send it to you .
gadget
Quote from: e2matrix on September 23, 2012, 07:02:04 PM
IMPORTANT: There seems to be some people who are sending email to gadgetmall to get verification. He's getting run ragged and needs a rest so I'm posting this for him. EVERYONE who wants to be a team member needs simply send an email to Inventacom as gadgetmall mentioned in a previous post. gadgetmall is NOT the same person as Inventacom and gadgetmall said it appears some think he is the same person or they have not read correctly how to get verified. You must send email to Inventacom - his email is :
inventacom at embarqmail dot com <----we post email this way so spam bots don't pick it up - I'm sure everyone understands what the actual email address is? That is the only person who can verify you. He will then send the verification to gadgetmall or me and then I can send out links. Sorry for this trouble but the boss wants it this way and I'm sure it's going to be worth it if this works as well as I think it will. Cheers
Sorry e2matrix but I sent the email to gadget this morning because his instructions were this:
From post: http://www.overunity.com/12724/free-electric-multi-use-motor-home-gen-car-motor-boat-motor-lawn-mower/msg337334/#msg337334
"I am asking anyone who is on Team McGeorge to send a copy of the email request you sent to inventacom to be on Inventacom's TEAM
with the TIMESTAMP of that email to a TEAM LEADER VIA EMAIL so you can be verified as a team member to be eligible for future downloads .
This is why I sent the email to gadget. Yes I understand when you say
"I'm sure everyone understands what the actual email address is? " but I also understand how to follow orders which is what I did! So sorry for any mix up but like I said, just following orders :P LOL
I've just forwarded this morning's email to inventacom.
Thanks,
Paul
vince, sorry if you may have gotten missed in the shuffle. I had to open a whole bunch of attachments to get each person's email but I thought all had been retrieved. If you will send me an email I'll double check.
For anyone else who does not have access yet but has sent a request to me I can NOT as per agreement with Inventacom give out the file links and password UNLESS Inventacom has verfied you and sent that to me or gadgetmall. So far all verficiations have been sent to gadgetmall who has then forwarded them to me. Sorry but we need to stick to the system as laid out by Inventacom. So please do not send requests to me for verification - only Inventacom can do that. If you have sent a request to Inventacom but have not gotten access you might try re-sending to Inventacom and might try using a different email address to send out your request in case it's on some sort of blacklist or is commonly looked at as SPAM by some filters.
Quote from: Goat on September 23, 2012, 08:12:39 PM
Sorry e2matrix but I sent the email to gadget this morning because his instructions were this:
From post: http://www.overunity.com/12724/free-electric-multi-use-motor-home-gen-car-motor-boat-motor-lawn-mower/msg337334/#msg337334
"I am asking anyone who is on Team McGeorge to send a copy of the email request you sent to inventacom to be on Inventacom's TEAM with the TIMESTAMP of that email to a TEAM LEADER VIA EMAIL so you can be verified as a team member to be eligible for future downloads .
This is why I sent the email to gadget. Yes I understand when you say "I'm sure everyone understands what the actual email address is? " but I also understand how to follow orders which is what I did! So sorry for any mix up but like I said, just following orders :P LOL
I've just forwarded this morning's email to inventacom.
Thanks,
Paul
Hi Paul, Actually that post was slightly confusing to me but this part I think is correct and what needs to be done initially: "If you are not a team member you may do so by sending your request to inventacom at embarqmail dot com
with Team McGeorge in the subject line requesting your intentions ."
I am not certain but I believe gadgetmall may have intended to say to send a copy of your 'REPLY' from Inventacom rather than 'request' sent to Inventacom. We'll get this all sorted out soon but I hope you can understand we don't want any slip ups with what Inventacom has requested or we me all be left out in the cold ;)
E2matrix . goat and Team Members I Have The List from Inventacom and i am the one who verifies you with that list
I am sorry if post 167 is confusing . i should have stated that Inventacom gave me a List to verify . So in order to get on any NEW LIST to be a Team Member then send inventacom an email . He will forward any new Information as to new members to me . I am handling the verification part . I verify if a team member is indeed on Inventacom's list By your email TO him with the timeStamp-If he sent you a reply include it too . there are some that didn't make as per inventacom's instructions to me.
In order to keep this Coordinated I alone will handle the verifications and forward them to E2matrix . I have a List From Inventacom for that purpose which shows your email to him and the timestamp ..some included the reply from inventacom and that is ok also along with the ORIGINAL email request to be a team member to inventacom . .
I am going to the junk yard tomorrow!!
thanks..
And i will be out till tomorrow .
Night guys .
@Ematrix2
There was nothing confusing about it, gadget asked to send the email to him or you which is what I did, since the email I got from inventacom said "welcome aboard the team" I thought that was clear enough to me and gadget.
I understand you guys are getting overloaded so I'll just wait until I receive the email.
Regards,
Paul
Appeciate work of Inventacom to get this out and Gadget and E2matrix for co-ordiation. Many Thanks lets light the fire !
Check out this interesting supporting video of what is possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Ea8xVt0yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Ea8xVt0yk)
Words are not required. The truth is stranger than fiction.
paul -Goat -verified and sent the email .
welcome Ashgand yes that appears to be a working self sustaining unit.. I wonder how much that generator cost?
Nice setup.
Inventacom,
I still haven't looked at the new files yet but I did another quick test based on the pulley ratio you gave us.
I have a fan motor that runs at about 1700 rpm under load and and a 120v dc PM 14 amp motor that that turns at 6000 rpm. based on that, the ratio should be about 3.5 to 1 to achive a proper balance of drive speed to generating speed. I adapted a pulley that was about the right dia. to the motor and did a run up.
The motor would get to about 1000 rpm and the generator dc motor was running abut 3300 rpm. Fine and dandy! Output about 50 volts DC.
Try and load the output with another motor or any load and the little fan motor dies out and gets really hot!
Got to read the files because I just don't get it.
Vince
Hello .Vince . did you get the files?
Hi Gadget
Yes I got the Email but when I try to go to the site My Norton program blocks me telling me that it is a Known Malicious site!
Not sure what to do!
Vince
I Dropped Norton after using it 12 years for that very reason I use Avast. Norton got to the point where is was more pesky than some Virus and really hogged my boot up time . .
Avast she talks to me every day to let me know she updated !
Not malicious - warning I'm very opinionated on some computer programs so you may not want to hear this but .... Norton is the a pos - hacker's have been laughing at Norton for the last 20 years. However I will say that the depostfile site has some less than family/work friendly popup images if you know what I mean. But the other site wikisend is totally clean. I run good antivirus and nothing is causing any hits from those 2 sites. Been a computer tech/geek for over 30 years.
Thanks Guys !
Got the file now!
I'm not sure what to think though. Nothing exotic or mysterious there. I see what he is doing and it's been tried many times before. The secret ingredients are the motor and speed ratios.
You saw my test and there is no way my little motor is going to turn a big generator with a load on it. As it sits now he is increasing the speed of the loaded motor at the last pulley of his reduction assembly to match the generator's required rpm.
He is in fact decreasing the available torque at the generator, and increasing speed. I did just that and it does not work. If you decrease the size of the drive pulley you you can increase available torque at the generator but then you loose rpm and generating capability. The one thing that remains a mystery is that liitle motor. There is a large speed difference between a loaded motor and one that runs free. I'm sure that if his machine does what he says it will do he must have achieved the golden combination of speed reduction and motor run speed.
To make this thing work it comes down to exact speed ratios and motor nameplate data.
Vince
Quote from: vince on September 23, 2012, 09:56:53 PM
Thanks Guys !
Got the file now!
I'm not sure what to think though. Nothing exotic or mysterious there. I see what he is doing and it's been tried many times before. The secret ingredients are the motor and speed ratios.
You saw my test and there is no way my little motor is going to turn a big generator with a load on it. As it sits now he is increasing the speed of the loaded motor at the last pulley of his reduction assembly to match the generator's required rpm.
He is in fact decreasing the available torque at the generator, and increasing speed. I did just that and it does not work. If you decrease the size of the drive pulley you you can increase available torque at the generator but then you loose rpm and generating capability. The one thing that remains a mystery is that liitle motor. There is a large speed difference between a loaded motor and one that runs free. I'm sure that if his machine does what he says it will do he must have achieved the golden combination of speed reduction and motor run speed.
To make this thing work it comes down to exact speed ratios and motor nameplate data.
Vince
Probably not a good idea to divulge info from the 'files' till approved, from 'now' on anyways. ;]
Lets say that the gen is not loaded at its output. Would the motor run the gen to its running speed? Or is is as bad as driving the fan blade that came with the motor?
MaGs
@ Magluvin
Let's just say that is the trick question. With the pulley ratios as I have them the motor should turn to the design loaded rpm of about 1700 and the unloaded (motor) generator should turn at close to 6000rpm. Clearly the motor can only achieve about 5/8 of the required rpm and thats at about 30 to 40 amps 12volts. The unloaded motor generator is clearly imposing a larger load than the original fan.
To see if the motor can get to speed I will have to keep decreasing the motor pulley until I can get a proper balance. The fact that there is such a speed variation between a loaded and unloaded motor makes it impossible to predict how it will react to a smaller pulley. Then you throw a load into the mix that little guy just can't handle it.
Vince
I wish I had all the motor - generator things I've seen that apparently did work all in one place. I'm fairly certain some do indeed work and as I mentioned earlier in this thread if you find the link I gave discussing the Peruvian motor/gen amplifier on energeticforum which was thoroughly analyzed with drawings and math by an engineer on the the message board right there you'll see one way this can be accomplished. I've seen similar effects in a number of designs and they all involved what I call a sort of power surge resonance caused by some non-symmetrical (or asymmetrical) setup. Note also UFOPolitics (member at EF) who is another brilliant motor designer and his following on his Asymmetrical motor thread. I think it may all be related in that asymmetry factor.
So vince don't give up yet - just a single pulley motor and generator is not the same as what Inventacom has. We can't always extrapolate from one setup to another when there are big differences or even small differences. Sometimes all it takes is one little detail to make a world of difference.
I'm going to try to pull out of memory some of the various motor generators that were apparently overunity. This is not counting the magnet based ones that rely on magnet power to spin a generator.
1 - Chas Campbell multi-flywheel motor generator - seen in Patrick Kelly's Free Energy book
1 - Witts motor and generator - vids look good to go but it's never been explained
3 - Peter Sumaruck's motor gen 'ZeroAmp Technology'
Actually if you just look in Patrick Kelly's 2000 plus page PDF book you'll probably find quite a few more than I can pull from memory at the moment. There are more I've seen but can't pull up the details at the moment.
8)
@e2matrix
Don't get the wrong idea. I'm not giving up! In fact I'm sure inventacom has this thing working. I'm just sharing some of the information that I have from my quick tests.
Without giving away any of inventacoms information it"s hard to discuss details on the open forum. Clearly there are details in his drive that I do not know yet but hopefully he can get in touch with us and give us more info. The double reduction in his info is easy enough but the special gearbox is an unknown. Can't replicate it without more info.
My tests were just quick ones to see what that little motor could do and from what I seen it unusually strong for its size.
Vince
I dont have any info except the first pix and the pulley diagram from Invent.
So, it is a gear UP or Down from the motor to the gen?
Mags
I think everyone who's been looking at energy devices a while knows who Peter Lindemann is. His Ad is right on a page here - the Perpetual Motion Reality. He's got books and DVD's on energy devices and is one of the major players at EF. He just started a message thread yesterday that is very related to this work. It is titled "Mechanical devices with Energy Gain" - see it here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12346-mechanical-devices-energy-gain.html
It's another very good thread to take a look at regarding how Inventacom's device may work. Also the first picture in that thread reminded me of another device I've seen but I can't recall the name of it. It was to go into production but as of yet I haven't seen anything of it and I believe that's another case where the inventor was trying to patent it before getting it into production. It had several motors (maybe 6 to 8? ) on a big wheel and each motor was powered and had IIRC some sort of pendelum that caused the whole thing to run in a way that seemed uneven but it did apparently generate extra power and would self run. If anyone can recall what that was or who made that let me know.
Quote from: vince on September 23, 2012, 11:09:35 PM
@e2matrix
Don't get the wrong idea. I'm not giving up! In fact I'm sure inventacom has this thing working. I'm just sharing some of the information that I have from my quick tests.
Without giving away any of inventacoms information it"s hard to discuss details on the open forum. Clearly there are details in his drive that I do not know yet but hopefully he can get in touch with us and give us more info. The double reduction in his info is easy enough but the special gearbox is an unknown. Can't replicate it without more info.
My tests were just quick ones to see what that little motor could do and from what I seen it unusually strong for its size.
Vince
Yes this was just a first upload from Inventacom and I'm sure more will be on the way. Lots of details yet that are not known.
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 23, 2012, 05:03:23 PM
Is that why you are called thecell ? no computer?
gadget
@gadgetmall : I have 2 computers 1 internetradio 2 routers 1 switch and a 16000 dsl bandwith for private and a 2000 bandwith dsl for office.
Main thing : the download worked for me now.
The schematic is missing something?
Well I noticed the main ingredient. Not all components do the same.
One is doing the opposite of the others. The DC motor isn't pulsed?
quote from inventacom says "motor that has to be fed from initial batt start to being run from converter. There is a certain setup in controls to achieve this as well as recharging the batt. Once the battery reaches a full full charge capacity, the battery is cut off and the converter becomes the main dc power source. The converter is connected to the gen head. When the gen head reaches the correct rpms, the converter is powered on which then recharges the batt and then takes over to run dc motor. The unit then runs in a circle from gen head to converter to dc motor that provides the needed rpms to gen head "
So the Gen head feeds converter/battery charger which feeds fan motor .
I see we need to know which fan motor it is .All the fan motors i am seeing don't give rpm or amps. It looks massive like a house fan size in the pics from inventacom.
I might just get this gen head on credit though because of the low rpms needed , been wanting one like this for a long time for ham station/house backup . i got plenty of motors ..
I don't know if this horsepower to kilowatt conversion chart is useful or not :
http://calculator-converter.com/converter_metric_horsepower_to_kilowatt_hp_to_kw_calculator.php (http://calculator-converter.com/converter_metric_horsepower_to_kilowatt_hp_to_kw_calculator.php)
Hi !!
I am @nievesoliveras I can help with the diagrams needed in the project.
Jesus
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Thank you @gadgetmall for answering my PM and calling me old friend.
Hi
Just been thinking, is it possible to have a section on the forum that is restricted to team members only. This would allow the team to talk without worrying about divulging restricted information.
Regards
Chas
Hi folks, this topic reminded me of a web page from garry stanley some time ago and i had it saved.
He tested a 19 volt-15 amp motor and coupled it to a 50 volt motor used as a generator and was getting interesting results as well.
What he noticed based on his article, was that the load used by the generator, seemed to be a key to exceeding the threshold, he was using two 12 volt in series gel cell to drive motor and one large regular lead acid 12 volt to charge.
Here is a pic that was in the article, which was called, "Believe it or not".
I can put the article with pictures into a word or pdf file if people can't find it anywhere on net and want to see it.
Otherwise, i have a few things i could use to try and run some tests, though what really is the point, if very little information is going to be shared, is this just another secret society in formation.
peace love light
tyson :)
Quote from: cepop on September 24, 2012, 07:48:57 AM
Hi
Just been thinking, is it possible to have a section on the forum that is restricted to team members only. This would allow the team to talk without worrying about divulging restricted information.
Regards
Chas
Hi Chas
inventacom was happy for you to discuss your own work and ideas taken from his information.
As I understand it he didn't want his personal information posted directly on this forum.
I think I've got that right.
Click on the Link below to read about the Kipper Motor Generator that was SELF RUNNING.
==> One IMPORTANT THING is that it took PATIENCE & TIME for it to start running overunity!!!!
http://www.teslatech.info/tttechspec/energy/kipperplan.pdf (http://www.teslatech.info/tttechspec/energy/kipperplan.pdf)
IMPORTANT: Please re-read what is said in the PDF File about the WIRE LOOPS being the most important part of it.
Is it possible the Loops of Wire enabled it to tap into Zero Point Energy???
==> The Motor Generator SPEEDED UP when the Load was increased. See Page 4 of the PDF, 2nd paragraph from the end!!!!
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 24, 2012, 04:56:57 AM
quote from inventacom says "motor that has to be fed from initial batt start to being run from converter. There is a certain setup in controls to achieve this as well as recharging the batt. Once the battery reaches a full full charge capacity, the battery is cut off and the converter becomes the main dc power source. The converter is connected to the gen head. When the gen head reaches the correct rpms, the converter is powered on which then recharges the batt and then takes over to run dc motor. The unit then runs in a circle from gen head to converter to dc motor that provides the needed rpms to gen head "
So the Gen head feeds converter/battery charger which feeds fan motor .
I see we need to know which fan motor it is .All the fan motors i am seeing don't give rpm or amps. It looks massive like a house fan size in the pics from inventacom.
I might just get this gen head on credit though because of the low rpms needed , been wanting one like this for a long time for ham station/house backup . i got plenty of motors ..
I don't know if this horsepower to kilowatt conversion chart is useful or not :
http://calculator-converter.com/converter_metric_horsepower_to_kilowatt_hp_to_kw_calculator.php (http://calculator-converter.com/converter_metric_horsepower_to_kilowatt_hp_to_kw_calculator.php)
@gadget & Ematrix Thanks for the email, I've got the files :)
@gadget I've got a fan motor from a company but it isn't listed in their current stock models but this one shows rpm's and amps as well as the torque.
A generator of the size that inventacom uses requires an engine with the following specs to run it:
Engine Minimum 11 hp
Engine Speed 3540-3720 RPM
Torque 16 ft-lbs
This is where I'm in agreement with Vince that even with the secret sauce you can't convert the fan motor's inadequate torque to meet the generator's demand even if you geared it to reach it's lowest rpm's requirement.
16 ft-lbs = 3072 oz.in and as you can see on the graph in the picture the more you load the fan motor you get less rpm and more amps required and that is just at approximately 1/30th of the required torque!
As far as I can see you'd need a much bigger fan motor than the one I'm looking at :P
Regards,
Paul
Hi folks, Hi fatbird, that kipper setup almost looks similar to what garry stanley was testing, using batteries.
I converted the html into a pdf, in hopes that it may shed more light on this device topic, which i find intriguing.
Here is a download link to Garry Stanley pdf.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ivbbzx (http://www.sendspace.com/file/ivbbzx)
peace love light
tyson
More testing! Isolation and voltage regulation. (Thanks Gotoluc)
I changed the generator to a 90 volt .3 amp dc motor to see if
I could isolate the power for a future feed back. I know the motor is on the small size but this is just to prove that isolation is possible without killing the source. Gotoluc had suggested reverse feeding a ac computer power supply with dc to match voltage to the load and isolate them from each other. Hey Gotoluc you were right! it will reverse feed and output corrected voltage
With the smaller motor acting as a generator it will easily spin up to design rpm and the little fan is running at load rpm 1700. The generator puts out about 139 volts and thru the power supply in reverse and it puts out 12.1 volts while the fan motor is drawing about 6 amps 12volts. I can power another load now without the fan motor dying. I tried loping it back to the fan feed and got a few extra rpm out of the motor but the generator does not produce enough current to sustain the drive motor.
Hope I'm not boring anyone, with all these tests!
Vince
@ Skywatcher, That download site wants to download a dangerous executable file before it will download your PDF.
Please post that PDF file right here on this thread, just as if it is a picture. Thank you for sharing sir.
@ Vince, Thank you for sharing your setup pictures. Another thing you might want to try is to couple the shafts of 2 identical Radiator
Fan Motors, using a piece of hose, shaft to shaft. One would be the drive motor, & the other the Gen. The output will be
DC, but there is nothing wrong with DC. A cheap 12V to 120V Inverter can produce the AC, if & when needed. LOL
Vince, the reason your picture above isn't showing up is because it's over 600 pixels.
Hi Vince,
I apologize to ask: Did Gotoluc tell you the isolation and voltage regulation on some of the forum threads or maybe privately?
Because yesterday I wrote to you the same as an answer to your question (including the PC power supply) in this thread here:
http://www.overunity.com/12724/free-electric-multi-use-motor-home-gen-car-motor-boat-motor-lawn-mower/msg337337/#msg337337 (http://www.overunity.com/12724/free-electric-multi-use-motor-home-gen-car-motor-boat-motor-lawn-mower/msg337337/#msg337337)
I do not mean to grab credit from Gotoluc, his excellent activity is known for years here and on other forums and of course I do not look for "fame" with this notice either. :) 8)
Keep up your good work!
Greetings, Gyula
Hi all-
Just going to post my skillset as requested:
PC Geek (Support Analyst by trade)
Backyard Mechanic
Magnet Fanatic
pretty bright guy
good with tools
dad
Quote from: FatBird on September 24, 2012, 09:11:44 AM
Click on the Link below to read about the Kipper Motor Generator that was SELF RUNNING.
==> One IMPORTANT THING is that it took PATIENCE & TIME for it to start running overunity!!!!
http://www.teslatech.info/tttechspec/energy/kipperplan.pdf (http://www.teslatech.info/tttechspec/energy/kipperplan.pdf)
If you look close, you can see his motor & generator sitting vertically in a box with their pulleys pointing up.
IMPORTANT: Please re-read what is said in the PDF File about the WIRE LOOPS being the most important part of it.
Is it possible the Loops of Wire enabled it to tap into Zero Point Energy???
==> Page 4 of the PDF, 2nd paragraph from the end, the greater the Load, the FASTER IT TURNED!!!!
Hi Fatbird, I had looked into that Kipper motor a while back and found enough evidence by others to consider it a fake. He apparently was transmitting power to it from nearby - in one case from his truck when they did a test out in the desert or away from any civilization. I also met and know Steve Elswick (the magazine owner that article was in) and consider him just an opportunist making money of promoting anything that looks like free energy - no matter if it's real or not. Elswick has in some ways done some good things promoting FE but I don't believe he has an interest in whether something is real or not.
Quote from: FatBird on September 24, 2012, 12:44:46 PM
@ Skywatcher, That download site wants to download a dangerous executable file before it will download your PDF.
Please post that PDF file right here on this thread, just as if it is a picture. Thank you for sharing sir.
@ Vince, Thank you for sharing your setup pictures. Another thing you might want to try is to couple the shafts of 2 identical Radiator
Fan Motors, using a piece of hose, shaft to shaft. One would be the drive motor, & the other the Gen. The output will be
DC, but there is nothing wrong with DC. A cheap 12V to 120V Inverter can produce the AC, if & when needed. LOL
Vince, the reason your picture above isn't showing up is because it's over 600 pixels.
Actually that page is typical of a lot of download sites. They put up several download buttons and many of them try to get you to download an executable which may be dangerous and at best worthless. They are usually the bigger more obvious download buttons.
But his file IS THERE in the smaller blue centered link to be downloaded without any executables.
Vince No it is Very Interesting information and not boring at all .
Thanks fatBird !
Goat . I have Seen Stranger Things .
Thanks for the head up E2matrix . wa just getting ready to hit one of those buttons !
It is the one that says Click here to start download from sendspace (http://fs08n4.sendspace.com/dl/e5fdbf58fddf3e848e7e00d7281cd536/50608f2d2183656f/ivbbzx/Believe%20it%20or%20not%20copied%20from%20Garry%20Stanley%20Web%20Page.PDF)
@ Gyulasun,
So Sorry Gyula
For some reason I had Gotluc in my memory and mixed you two up. I Apologize!
It was indeed you that gave me the info.
Thanks
Vince
I use other browsers so little now I'm not sure if they show links like the Opera browser does but when using Opera if you just scroll your mouse over a button you can see the actual address link at the bottom of the page so I can see if it's a google ad, an executable or a .PDF or Zip I'm trying to get. Makes it easier to spot the phony 'DOWNLOAD ME' buttons ;)
Yes vince it's good and not boring at all. I think most of us know that under normal logic or physics this setup should not be able to produce extra power. However there are enough things I've come across in the last 20 years to know there is knowledge being suppressed and things may not always work the way we expect. I also think it's possible there are some things at work here that may fit traditional physics but just are not obvious as to how extra power may be coming into the system.
Take a look at this new link which came from the Lindemann msg. thread I mentioned earlier of. It appears to be a motor generator which has 8KW input and puts out 22KW. http://www.ucros-energy.es.tl/ENGLISH-.htm
Interesting comparisons.
Quote from: inventacom on September 23, 2012, 01:36:05 PM
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As far as the parts for this unit, I have approximately $500 in the whole unit. This is because of the custom pulleys and gen head mostly. Although, its cost me $500 I saved that in first 3 months of running it. Once you recoup the price of gen vs elect bills, the unit becomes a profitable devices. A major return on your investment.
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:-\
For anyone concerned with the price tag on this build, consider this. A comparable gas generator of this size can cost more than $500. Gas generators are loud, temperamental, and require a good amount of fuel and maintenance for this size unit. By purchasing a pulley type generator, at worst case you can still hook it up to a gas motor and still have your gas generator. I see this as a no brainer if you are looking for alternative method of electricity generation with the fall back for conventional power. Many of us have spent much more chasing cheap energy.
:)
Brad S
Thats what i am doing . I bought that Big Generator i posted a few back . On credit with paypal so it is an investment but i can use it . 1800 RPM 7500kw .. almost 300 pounds though .
fatBird the us government here is a separate entity and is now designed to remove and and all rights we have left and to control every aspect they can as close as thay can to slavery and will never let us have free energy unless we make it ourselves and also Amr ourselves to to hilt because that day is coming soon . a revolution . them against us the people .
To all . Back up and everybody should be verified except a few who have not emailed inventacom and then followed post 167 .
gadget Out .
Glad you got your PC back up & running Gadget. That new Gen you bought sounds nifty.
Maybe you can post a web site Link so we can see what it looks like & what the specs are.
Thanks.
http://stores.ebay.com/Generator-Store?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
I got a 7500 watt Big Motha 1800 rpm . I got a diesel My brother has conversion to Veg oil .
If i can run this with a dc motor from My wind and solar plant to start it is my hopes. .
@E2Matrix . please check you email from my Ymail
I got to tend to my Girl she is loosing a Tooth ..
Later guys
gadget Clear.
Hi folks, Hi gadget, there is no them, there is only us, that maybe is one of the things humanity needs to learn.
If you fight another, you are fighting yourself.
The human garment (body) is used to experience the perception of separation, their truly is no separation of anything, even if the object seems inanimate.
A tree branch would not battle with another tree branch, for it knows it is one and the same.
Though a tree branch has it somewhat easier, as it can see the root from where it comes from, where as, our roots are not as visible to the human eye.
And if we all could see these energetic roots, we would never think about harming another, which is ourselves, no matter what illusion is cast before our eyes.
You speak of the government taking away rights, we have done that to ourselves, by believing we are all separate, they have only used this ignorance to their advantage.
Forgive that link i posted, as before, they did not have all those deceptive link buttons.
Hope that pdf had some value to it.
peace love light
tyson ;)
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 24, 2012, 09:01:37 PM
http://stores.ebay.com/Generator-Store?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
I got a 7500 watt Big Motha 1800 rpm . I got a diesel My brother has conversion to Veg oil .
If i can run this with a dc motor from My wind and solar plant to start it is my hopes. .
@E2Matrix . please check you email from my Ymail
I got to tend to my Girl she is loosing a Tooth ..
Later guys
gadget Clear.
Take care of Family first - hope she's okay. When you get back I've sent you a couple emails as there seems to be several issues with what you mentioned. Not working yet anyway.
Ok tooth is under Pillow.. Now if that tooth Fairy can remember is another task . set the android to let the tooth fairy in at 4 am .
Ok its set up E2.
giver her a whirl .
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 24, 2012, 10:15:15 PM
Ok tooth is under Pillow.. Now if that tooth Fairy can remember is another task . set the android to let the tooth fairy in at 4 am .
Ok its set up E2.
giver her a whirl .
Androids are great for letting in the Tooth fairy :D It's all good to go.
@Inventacom
I've been looking at the information you've sent us and it's all great so far but...In order to replicate your working model I would need more info...such as.
Fan blower:
Model:
Manufacturer:
Year:
Other: Any other info on this motor.
Transmission/Gearbox:
This is where I'm stuck, from what I've seen so far it's not clear how you did it, if the above mentioned motor is supposed to drive the generator then how do we determine the gear ratio? We need more info on this in order to make it work as you did.
Generator:
The information you gave us is specific to that generator, can it be substituted for an equivalent generator head of the same KW output or does this affect the Transmission/Gearbox ratio?
RV 120AC/12VDCConverter:
Model:
Manufacturer:
Year:
Other: Any other info on this converter?
Any thing else I missed?
Regards,
Paul Gauthier
PS: I've already got most of the parts to make this work but they could be all wrong...LOL
I have a 10KW AC generator head from Harbor Freight. Also have a DC machine about the same size/weight.
Got a auto blower motor and an assortment of other DC motors.
Anyone have experience with the Harbor Freight machine?
http://www.harborfreight.com/10000-watts-max-7200-watts-rated-belt-driven-generator-head-45416.html
For our shop use, we've built a setup to generate Three Phase AC from Single Phase using a 3 phase motor self excited with capacitors, so have some experience with belts, pulleys motors, and generators.
Variable sheave pulley allows precise frequency adjustment to 60 Hz, shown below.
Just a suggestion, I have a specific question that I would like to ask @inventacom concerning information we received. I am fairly confident that other users have or will have questions about as well. It would be nice if we could send those questions to our elected TL’s (Team Leaders) and compiled for all approved participants so they could review. I prefer to abide by my pledge to not disclose any of @inventacom’s sharing of information with the group, but if the questions are too specific, would that not be the same thing? :-X
Maybe a text file, PDF, spreadsheet, ect,. updated with questions and answers. I am not trying to burden the TL’s with additional responsibilities, but how else do we ask questions and know what questions other ask that we may not have thought of yet?
@Goat - those are terrific questions if we are to start with an exact replication. IMHO - this is the correct direction to proceed. I believe @inventacom commented that he was building a parts list for us, however specific model number parts as you requested is very important. :)
Brad S
b_rads, There will be a solution for that situation very shortly - by tomorrow I think at the latest. I'm just waiting on a word from Inventacom. Both myself and gadgetmall have been working on that exact problem at the suggestion of Inventacom. You will get email soon about this so for now hold the questions - it won't be long.
Been thinking about it a bit. I know that we are suppose to try to use a car fan motor that works, but, brushless motors come to mind.
Some of these hobby shop motors are super efficient and can put out some HP at very high rpms. ( im still stuck on the high rpm motor geared down, since I dont have an idea of what to do.)
Wouldnt that be a funny YT vid of a lil 3 in dia motor driving that big ole gen?
What got me thinking is, if we have (2) sets of pulleys (2) belts and then a gear box, we are probably losing a 'great' deal there to start with. Not saying it doesnt work, just that I think there could be big losses there. So if there is extra energy from all this, a good amount is being spent there.
What could be in the gear box? We have a pulley system on the motor to gear box that is a gear up situation as the input to the gear box spins faster than the motor shaft. And then another gear up situation after the gear box to the gen. Just the pulleys themselves gear up quite a bit. So I find it 'hard' to believe that the gear box is a further gear up situation. Very hard. Unless...
DC motors have the most torque at low rpm. Yup. Hmm. ;]
Or, gearing up, then gearing down, then back up again has some mystical effects on power. ;]
That guy that had magnetic gears at Peswiki, a motor and like 3 or 4 gens, Ive had some experience with magnetic gearing and like that guy has his, the drag is mostly pressure on the bearings of the motor/gens, using the staggered layout of the mags on the wheels. The ones between other will have less of this pressure due to being pressured from both sides causing cancellation. Maybe after all this if we get things going, we can implement some ideas like these to further development. ;]
Anyway, thats my thoughts for the day. ;]
MaGs
Or, gearing up, then gearing down, then back up again has some mystical effects on power. ;]
yes with a big mass beeing revved up. - But someone important should comfirm it; it would be a reason to start..
@Vortex ..Does it work at Shown .I assume it does . IF it does will it run it self at the very minimum with that ac motor powering the Gen head.. this is also something i had planned to do and looks like you got a nice setup .
@all,
Got to thinking last night about all of this and came up with something to look at while awaiting more information. I am building a demonstration unit for the local elementary school that shows solar, wind, and battery charging (alternative energies). I am using a small motor recycled from an old cd/dvd drive. Some of these drives have three motors, spin the cd/dvd, move the read/wright head, and open and close the drive. Looking at the motor that opens and closes the drive, you can see a belt and pulleys as well as a series of gears. This tiny motor, directly connected should probably not be able to perform this function, but using the pulley and gear system it actually creates quite a bit of power. This motor can operate on 1 ½ volts and 20 mA. There might be something to belts and gears in combination.
Reminds me, 30 to 40 years ago when involved with the mini-bikes and go-carts. We would change out the sprockets for different power and speed ratios. Also the multi-speed bicycles, low gear has great power and high gear for speed.
Brad S
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 25, 2012, 07:14:59 AM
@Vortex ..Does it work at Shown .I assume it does . IF it does will it run it self at the very minimum with that ac motor powering the Gen head.. this is also something i had planned to do and looks like you got a nice setup .
The drive motor is 120 VAC, the three phase motor/gen is 208 VAC. We never tried looping it but measured the losses when driving from 120 V, which were as expected, belt losses, IsqR losses in the copper wire, bearing friction etc.
Anyone who has been verified for Team McGeorge but who has not received an email from me this morning (or afternoon - roughly sent out 1:00 PM Eastern Time) please send me an email at oumot22 at gmail dot com
Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on September 24, 2012, 09:10:48 PM
Hi folks, Hi gadget, there is no them, there is only us, that maybe is one of the things humanity needs to learn.
If you fight another, you are fighting yourself.
The human garment (body) is used to experience the perception of separation, their truly is no separation of anything, even if the object seems inanimate.
A tree branch would not battle with another tree branch, for it knows it is one and the same.
Though a tree branch has it somewhat easier, as it can see the root from where it comes from, where as, our roots are not as visible to the human eye.
And if we all could see these energetic roots, we would never think about harming another, which is ourselves, no matter what illusion is cast before our eyes.
You speak of the government taking away rights, we have done that to ourselves, by believing we are all separate, they have only used this ignorance to their advantage.
Forgive that link i posted, as before, they did not have all those deceptive link buttons.
Hope that pdf had some value to it.
peace love light
tyson ;)
Hi Tyson,
I like your post and have reply to it in a new topic to avoid off topic clutter.
Please use this link to read my reply: http://www.overunity.com/12756/explanation-of-god/msg337729/#msg337729 (http://www.overunity.com/12756/explanation-of-god/msg337729/#msg337729)
Luc
Hi Vince,
That is ok, thanks.
Gyula
Quote from: vince on September 24, 2012, 02:25:16 PM
@ Gyulasun,
So Sorry Gyula
For some reason I had Gotoluc in my memory and mixed you two up. I Apologize!
It was indeed you that gave me the info.
Thanks
Vince
I'm not sure what's happening to this thread with the new direction it's taking so I'll continue here as I am not yet part of the new group discussion.
Just a little info I would like to share that was quite eye opening to me.
That little fan motor we've been discussing packs quite a punch! I did a test to determine horsepower and I didn't expect the results.
My little motor turns 5340 rpm no load
With a torque arm of 12" (1 ft) and full stall the motor pushed the scale to just over 1Lb.
That amounts to a torque of 1 ft/lb at full stall.
Hp=Torque(ft/lb) x RPM / 5252
HP=1(ft/lb) x 5340 / 5252
HP = 1.0129
For those of you that like electric powered bicycles and such this could be a real cheap solution for you!
Its got plenty of power for that task.
I'm not sure 1HP is enough to turn a big generator that is rated for substantially more so the magic has to be in the details!
I will try a bigger motor when and if I get more details .
Vince
Quote from: vince on September 25, 2012, 05:02:57 PM
I'm not sure what's happening to this thread with the new direction it's taking so I'll continue here as I am not yet part of the new group discussion.
Just a little info I would like to share that was quite eye opening to me.
That little fan motor we've been discussing packs quite a punch! I did a test to determine horsepower and I didn't expect the results.
My little motor turns 5340 rpm no load
With a torque arm of 12" (1 ft) and full stall the motor pushed the scale to just over 1Lb.
That amounts to a torque of 1 ft/lb at full stall.
Hp=Torque(ft/lb) x RPM / 5252
HP=1(ft/lb) x 5340 / 5252
HP = 1.0129
For those of you that like electric powered bicycles and such this could be a real cheap solution for you!
Its got plenty of power for that task.
I'm not sure 1HP is enough to turn a big generator that is rated for substantially more so the magic has to be in the details!
I will try a bigger motor when and if I get more details .
Vince
Very cool. ;] So it is possible at low rpms to get 1hp. Figure rpm being something 'above' stall speed.
I learned that from researching electric car conversions. These guys just put it in 3rd or 4th and hit the pedal. Tons of torque at the bottom end of dc motors.
Very nice work you did there. ;]
As for a bike motor, if the amps are like 30 at or near stall or more, better to go bldc brush less.
MaGs
Nice bike!
Is that the motor in the front wheel hub?
Vince
@ Vince, Thank you for sharing your work & photos. SUPER PROFESSIONAL JOB on calculating the HP for that fan motor.
@ Team Leaders, Great setup on that new Group site. For security I won't mention the name of it.
I especially like how easy it is to view the photos. Personally, I really like it.
If we all just include our O/U handle whenever we make a post, we can know who is who. I just did.
Thank you again Team Leaders for all of your work & endurance on this project.
Quote from: vince on September 25, 2012, 06:00:52 PM
Nice bike!
Is that the motor in the front wheel hub?
Vince
Yes. The first is a 'brushed' motor. 36v. But my brushes wore out. The cause of the brushes wearing quickly was a bad solder on one of the windings. As the brush contacted that commutator that had one leg of a winding not connected, there was heavy arching there.
The second is brush less, using a hall sensor for controller timing if I think its 54 coil sections made of 3 separate windings. The coils are mounted to the axle hub and are stationary and the outer rim of the casing has 54 magnets about 1/8 x 1/2 x 1 inch. So multiply the torque of one coil, pushing on 1 magnet and pulling on another and times that by the total, well something like that. It spins the tire with me on it and does 25 mph.
I read that gas may go to 7 to 8 $ per gal soon. :o
I also have a Wavecrest Tidalforce. i dont have pics here of that one but its on the web. looks like BIG motor in each wheel but the front holds 3 nickle metal hydride D cells capable of 100 amps peak.
Just downloaded a web pic. ;]
Mags
And this is the bad boy. bout 10 grand, 50 mph and 50 miles per charge. :o :o ;D
MaGs
Quote from: Magluvin on September 25, 2012, 06:45:52 PM
And this is the bad boy. bout 10 grand, 50 mph and 50 miles per charge. :o :o ;D
MaGs
Hey Mags they would ticket you here for that last one .It looks too much like a dirt bike.
you would have to put tags and lights and get it inspected if it capable of going over 30mph in Nc .
I live in the country and we used to be able to ride golf carts on side of the road . now they give you tickets if it does not have Inspection sticker and all the lights ..they go less than 30 most of the time.
Just ran into the thread, just curious if there are any more
spots open? Been looking for a way to run a tandem bike
of around 500 watts.
Have no prob with the build price and time.
thay
Quote from: Thaelin on September 25, 2012, 07:07:56 PM
Just ran into the thread, just curious if there are any more
spots open? Been looking for a way to run a tandem bike
of around 500 watts.
Have no prob with the build price and time.
thay
My trek pictured above has a 500w bldc hub motor. Got the kit on ebay for about 600 shipped.( bike was 450 down to 350 last years stock) That was over 4 yrs ago. They are cheaper now. That bike has near 10,000 miles on it. Still looks and runs great. The hub motor comes spoked to a wheel rim and the spokes are thicker than normal..The tire they give is bogus. I run kenda or bontrager 26in 2.0 bout $40 each. Ya get throttle control, controller batteries(lead acid 12 ah 4 for 48v) and a control box with wired brake levers to discontinue motor while braking, just in case.... ;] Lithium will cost and may last longer. I get about a year to year n a half from the SAL batteries at less than $150 a set. Lithium can be like $600 to 700 and lighter by about half. I have had some good luck lately rejuvenating the sla batts, cant do that with lithium.
MaGs
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 25, 2012, 07:07:53 PM
Hey Mags they would ticket you here for that last one .It looks too much like a dirt bike.
you would have to put tags and lights and get it inspected if it capable of going over 30mph in Nc .
I live in the country and we used to be able to ride golf carts on side of the road . now they give you tickets if it does not have Inspection sticker and all the lights ..they go less than 30 most of the time.
The law says 20 mph in I believe all 50 states. My trek does 25. But most cops dont know about these things. I have cop friends and they love it. ;]
20 mph is an 'all motor' or 'motor only' speed limit. If the motor allows you to pedal and go faster with motor help, you are still good, and still considered a 'bicycle' sidewalks and all. As long as you pedal, go 35 if you want. But if they want to check the bike to see if it is within limits then they can. The idea is that the motor cannot propel you more than 20 on its own.
My wavecrest is 20mph regulated. It wont let you pedal at full throttle beyond 20. It actually holds you back. Till you let go of the throttle. It also has regen when braking.
I bought it used with bad batteries. I bought lower end 10ah(recomended) and it worked fine. pain in the ASS to do the job. The big problem with that setup is that NIMH batts need drained once in a while like NICAD. But with this bike, there is no way to do that, even the charg wires going in are not a direct connect to the batteries and can drain because the computer contoller wont let the batts go lower than so. Sooo, im running an extra set of wires for just that. 36v worth of light bulbs, 3 12s in series and im good to go.
The little Triax walmart bike, 169 for bike and 350 for the kit, doesnt have much oomph, but gets ya up to 27 mph. The brushes are adjustable. ;) so I can set it for more bottom end or top end or somewhere in the middle. 27mph is pretty darn quick on a lil bike like that. Broke a few spokes as these are not meant for 27 mph with me, 215lb and a battery pack. ;] Thats why I went for the second level trek for the other bike.
The lil bike is 600w but being brushed, less eff
The trek is 500w(under 750 to be legal on the street as a bicycle) But it goes over 20 mph :o :o ;D
And the tidalforce is, get this, 749w STREET LEGAL all 50 states. In cali if you want to go faster than 20, you can get registration/plate and have a license for up to 35mph.
That big bad boy I DONT have. yet ;] It has a mode switch. street and off road. I dont think they have a law that determines if the 'switch' keeps it legal. My trek has a control box I made for setting the top speed/throttle that is like an adjustable mode. I used a trim pot with knob to modified the throttle signal from its hall sensor to the control box.
So the bottom switch is mode and the upper is on/off and the knob on the left side.
Ok if anyone wants to talk more on this, make a thread and Ill be there. ;]
I just really really want to never have to charge these things. ;) You know.. ;D
And the Fiero will be next. ;]
Mags
no its 30 here in nc .. All the mopeds are Legal without registration in nc but they are limited to 30 MPH . I got one that goes 45 though ....most all roads here posted 60mph . the fasted is 80. they are trying to pass 85mph on the freeways and interstates ..
gadgetmall...
I cannot believe that you would not nominate Clanzer when it comes to builds for the open source community I believe he likely holds a record in the number of attempts at validating OU/FE ...
I suggest that someone try to get ahold of this guy if they want a build not to mention he is a very resourceful fella...
Clanzer if you are still out there kicking somewhere I know its been a while but this should be right up your alley...
Thanks for your time and consideration.
Finally when and if you do get this to work I would like to be the first person to purchase this product so put me at the top of your consumer waiting list as I do not believe anyone has asked to be on this list as of yet so I will ask for it when it is available for sale make me one of your first customers cause if it does work there will be a giant waiting list.
Quote from: infringer on September 25, 2012, 10:54:42 PM
gadgetmall...
I cannot believe that you would not nominate Clanzer when it comes to builds for the open source community I believe he likely holds a record in the number of attempts at validating OU/FE ...
I suggest that someone try to get ahold of this guy if they want a build not to mention he is a very resourceful fella...
Clanzer if you are still out there kicking somewhere I know its been a while but this should be right up your alley...
Thanks for your time and consideration.
Finally when and if you do get this to work I would like to be the first person to purchase this product so put me at the top of your consumer waiting list as I do not believe anyone has asked to be on this list as of yet so I will ask for it when it is available for sale make me one of your first customers cause if it does work there will be a giant waiting list.
Clanzer is an excellent builder. I dont know about now, but when I would wait to see results of the builds, there wasnt ever any conclusions made as to if it worked or not. ???
Unless he has filled in those conclusions by now. I have not checked in a long while.
Like I would be checking on a particular project for good or bad word and there would be a new project going in the same direction and then nada.
Like I said, maybe he has finally finished those tests and posted the results. But I really got tired of not seeing any so I stopped looking a while back.
I just wouldnt want that to happen here and a no results situation causing low hope in the group.
MaGs
Deleted...
Quote from: infringer on September 25, 2012, 10:54:42 PM
gadgetmall...
I cannot believe that you would not nominate Clanzer when it comes to builds for the open source community I believe he likely holds a record in the number of attempts at validating OU/FE ...
I suggest that someone try to get ahold of this guy if they want a build not to mention he is a very resourceful fella...
Clanzer if you are still out there kicking somewhere I know its been a while but this should be right up your alley...
Thanks for your time and consideration.
Finally when and if you do get this to work I would like to be the first person to purchase this product so put me at the top of your consumer waiting list as I do not believe anyone has asked to be on this list as of yet so I will ask for it when it is available for sale make me one of your first customers cause if it does work there will be a giant waiting list.
Hi . It is not me who invites .It is the people who contacted inventacom Through his email posted and invited by Him. All i do is verify them for him and help them on there way .As far as i am concerned i agree with you but i have limited memory when it comes to who does what here .
If he emails inventacom he will be part of his Team as anyone can back up his credentials .. yes he is needed .
If there is anyone here that was verified that we missed (E2matrix and me) let us know by email .
Any one else that would like to replicate a self powered generator system contact Inventacom at the email posted in this thread .Once you do that follow post 167 instructions
I am just an elected sheepherder ;]
Gadget
Wazzup fellers?
Whats the good word? ;D
Mags
Could this be scaled down to a desktop demo system?
I`m thinking something low cost, (scrap) like a battery drill motor.
No but it does do exactly what the title says .
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 27, 2012, 02:01:53 PM
No but it does do exactly what the title says .
'Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower'
I dont get it. what happened to the teams?
Mags
@Mags:
Take a look at post #167.
truesearch
Quote from: truesearch on September 28, 2012, 10:36:07 AM
@Mags:
Take a look at post #167.
truesearch
Take a look at the header on the first page of this forum. It says:
QuoteWelcome to OverUnity.com
[/size] The International Open Source Free Energy Research Forum
I wonder what "OPEN SOURCE" means.
Does it mean that researchers must sign non-disclosure agreements with the claimant in order to be on the distribution list of the information that's shared privately? Does it mean that there are secret "teams" that have information that the other poor fools reading the thread don't have?
The post #167 is clearly violating the fundamental tenets of open-source research. Fine... if you want to do things that way, fine, it's your party. But what are you doing soliciting help on an OPEN SOURCE forum then?
What if someone wanted to see PROOF that the claimant is actually running his household electric needs from his device and is not connected to the grid? Would that someone have to sign away his open source rights of knowledge and discussion, in order to see that proof?
I'll conjecture right here in the OPEN that you will never see such proof, regardless of how many NDAs and secret agreements and "teams" you are on.
@TinselKoala
I agree with the "open source" concept and didn't mean to come across as supporting the approach taken on this thread.
However, that is what has happened here and if someone (such as Mags) wanted to see or get involved with the "team" then co-operating with the directions in post #167 appears to be the only way. . . . . without seeing proof.
sincerely,
truesearch
Quote from: TinselKoala on September 28, 2012, 12:01:45 PM
Take a look at the header on the first page of this forum. It says:
I wonder what "OPEN SOURCE" means.
Does it mean that researchers must sign non-disclosure agreements with the claimant in order to be on the distribution list of the information that's shared privately? Does it mean that there are secret "teams" that have information that the other poor fools reading the thread don't have?
The post #167 is clearly violating the fundamental tenets of open-source research. Fine... if you want to do things that way, fine, it's your party. But what are you doing soliciting help on an OPEN SOURCE forum then?
What if someone wanted to see PROOF that the claimant is actually running his household electric needs from his device and is not connected to the grid? Would that someone have to sign away his open source rights of knowledge and discussion, in order to see that proof?
I'll conjecture right here in the OPEN that you will never see such proof, regardless of how many NDAs and secret agreements and "teams" you are on.
I share Koala's concerns. Particularly, the NDA requirement is a big concern:
1. Let's suppose I'm working on a motor-generator concept myself
2. But I sign inventacom's NDA in order to be on the private "Team"
3. Then I learn something that will help me with my own motor-gen developments...
4. Can I freely discuss MY motor-gen ideas at that point, open source? or am I bound by the NDA?
That's why I was dismayed as soon as I saw the NDA requirement....
5. With the NDA, can anyone even tell us when the device works, or doesn't work? (for sure)
The departure from freedom of speech, "free" energy and open source is a valid concern IMO.
Since everyone is left hangin, the teams disband and the project has gone private. I 'think' I was a team member, but it doesnt matter now.
But, we do have a little to go on.
What we have is...
These cooling fan motors can be around 1lb ft lb of torque, dead stall. Over 1 hp was calculated.
We have 6in pulley on the motor down to a 2in pulley, and that 2 in pulley is the input shaft to a gear box(unknown what is inside), then another 6in pulley at the out shaft of the mystery gear box to finally a 2in pulley on the gen shaft.
If these motors have say 1hp + at stall, it decreases as the motor speeds up, and the 6in to a 2in is a gear up situation, before and after the 'gear box'. That would reduce the torque and hp by the time it gets to the gen quite a bit. But, I suppose it makes use of the motors ability to operate withing its low rpm range and thats where torque is highest with electric motors. I bet in the 30A to 50A range if the source can produce it.
So the gearbox, does it gear up even more, beyond what the pulley's and belts are already doing, reducing the torque available to the gen even more? Or if the gear box is stepping speeds down, in between the 2 step up belts and pulley's, seems like some waste in all that. I dont imagine any other uses for the gear box. Its a secret. ;] it must be one or the other.
Another thing with all gear and pulley sections gearing up, it would seem that maybe the motor could do just as good direct shaft once all the torque reductions are in place. :o
So why do it?
As for the gear box stepping down between the pulleys stepping up, what could be happening that would be an advantage?
Ive seen examples of say 2 ignition coils, the first one is pulsed and the single secondary electrode is sparked to the other ign coils secondary electrode and output is taken from the input terminals of the second coil. Utkin pdf. So is there any advantage to stepping input up then converting it back down?
Ok, I gota eat somthing, or im just going to throw up. I read this thing was confirmed working 'verified' this morning and was alllll excited alllll day, and were stuck with another incomplete puzzle.
Im not so happy. Im about to go CSI on this sucker. ;] For a bit anyway.
MaGs
Hi Conspirators,
For once, I do agree with Nikola Tesla anagrammed (TinselKoala).
Actually, it is "Open Source" for few randomly selected NDA-trapped individuals. :P
Guess what #1?
I will also conjecture that the 'proof' will be missing.
Guess what #2?
I have the feebleness of thinking that this device might be 'real' and actually worth some experimenting.
Gwella gourhemennou a-berz Yann
You must understand Conspirators, that using open source forum like this one, was the only possible way that you met together. Thus, to be honest with this community, you are expected to cooperate according to its rules (unfortunately, your new rules just don't comply). So, I'm expecting at least some "leaks" of your work, at least for the beginning.
OK, Qwert!
Yes "Conspirators". I do like provoking.
Please, read again my previous post.
I did not mean -at all- that this 'Invantacom' device was a fake.
I just suggested that 'Inventacom' was not really willing to even open his fridge.
I'm also just strongly wondering about gearings.
Now, concerning my 'OU' results.
They are weak indeed (for the moment(?), but I'm healing myself). What about yours?
De toutes façons : rien à péter. Mon blaireau.
----------------
Else: (Qwert appart):
Hi native English Speaking people,
Sorry for disturbing.
IMO: NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) might be oxymoronic with "Open sourcing".
Or what?
For JouleSeeker (E), a private message: I strongly remember some Prof. N.S.
who claimed to 'open source'.
Finally, perhaps, in some individual mind, 'Open Sourcing' just means
"In my hight generosity, I show/disclose you my very device". Believe me, It is 'OU'.
Or What?
No comment!
Very BRest.
Jean
It is a free energy Rapture .
I guess that if your invention has nothing to do with inventacom's then you can openly discuss it.
IancaIV posted this link on another thread, I think its relevant here
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54457395/11/SIX-APPLICATIONS-FOR-MECHANICAL-POWER-AMPLIFIERS
Quote from: bugler on September 29, 2012, 06:38:10 AM
I guess that if your invention has nothing to do with inventacom's then you can openly discuss it.
I have shared MY Inventions but you may have guessed wrong because Inventacom'S invention is not mine to share . Even if i replicate it i won't. That would be stealing for sure and i am not a thief.
Gadget
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 29, 2012, 11:13:23 AM
I have shared MY Inventions but you may have guessed wrong because Inventacom'S invention is not mine to share . Even if i replicate it i won't. That would be stealing for sure and i am not a thief.
Gadget
I'm with you. You've just abused one rule joining this group, so don't do another mistake.
Quote from: Lakes on September 27, 2012, 04:51:52 AM
Could this be scaled down to a desktop demo system?
I`m thinking something low cost, (scrap) like a battery drill motor.
Of course it can. ;] Look into broken or old printers/scanners as a great source for gears, belt drive pulleys. Drill motors have tons of torque. As for the generator, Another motor may work. Servo motors work great as alternators. If you want to step up in size, car heater blower motors, with the squirrel cage fan, I connected a light bulb from a car stop lamp to the wires and used compressed air to spin the fan and the bulb lights bright. So that could be used as a gen. The cooling fan motors can be used as a gen also as they all have permanent mags inside. When using these as a gen, try both directions of the rotor to get best results, as I have seen a difference in some. ;]
Everything can be made smaller or larger. ;]
MaGs
Here is a link on this very subject. ;] If it works, its already been done.
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter4.pdf
MaGs
mags
could you imagine a small dc motor spinning up a 22 pound flywheel lol the amps it would pull..
Well if the flywheel is up to speed, not near as much as getting the flywheel going.
And if we only imagine these things, we will never really know. ;]
MaGs
my next test is going to be a big magnet rotor on a blower fan motor .. against some heavy gauge coils.. like a wind mill setup.. i know what the limits are with these dc motors and it isn't good .. i replace them on cars all the time.. without a fan blowing on the motor all the time i don't see it running very long.. all the motors i have pulled on auto's dont have bearings just bronze bushings.. and the brushes out last the contact point if that tells you how well they are built.. but if we could get us some brushless dc motors with this much power and amp draw we could build some awesome stuff..
Hi folks, well we all just witnessed one of the viruses that have plagued this world for some time now and that is not sharing freely or greed, the main cause is fear of survival and the mechanism that fuels this fear is the monetary systems of control.
So, does anyone still believe that excess energy devices will be released to the masses, with this virus still active in human cultures, think again.
What we have here, is a prime example of the putting the cart before the horse or putting ones shoes on before the socks.
Is it not obvious yet to all here what really impedes the release of these technologies.
Money systems were conceived with only one thing in mind, to control, same with NDA agreements.
Why would anyone seek control in any form, to dis-empower others, which never works out very well, look around at your world, can you see it.
And yet the beauty and beautiful people are all there, stifled by these systems that only serve a relative few.
The latest chemtrail video posted here is interesting, the man is crying to the heavens about chemtrails and children being poisoned, yet he states in the video, that he sends his kids to schools.
So he sends his kids to schools, so that they can now poison his kids minds as well, can we see the problem here and the contradiction.
Keep doing the same things day in and day out and expecting different results, is folly.
Don't forget the Tilly machine and the Wilson machine, which also used heavy mass and the Wilson machine had pulley ratios.
peace love light
tyson
Hi All,
I noticed they updated the page for JB PowerSystem.
http://jbpowersystems.weebly.com/index.html
QuoteEPS Electric Engineering Testing Company did the testing for the event:
1. We have a 3 phase generator that has 42 coils in it. (the more coils reduced the number of rotations it needs to produce energy)
2. We have 18/1 gearbox. (this is called a torque multiplier)
3. We have a toque arm that is 10 feet long.
4. The Force is produced by man pushing.
5. We have a fish scale to pull the torque bar to see what force the man would have to push. (10-25)lbs
6. The Man will turn the torque 5 complete rotations.
7. Each rotation turns the gearbox, which turns the generator 5 x 18=90 rpm
8. Each rotation the man travels 10 ft x 3.14 (360 degrees) = 31.4 feet x 5 rpm = 157 ft travel per minute x 25 lbs(per ft) =3925 ft lbs minute x .74 (watt sec)=2904 watts per minute
9. The engineer meter read 30 volts x 20 amps = 600 watts per phase x 1.732 = 1020 watts per minute.
10. 1020 watts is true power watts out of 1800 watts produced, also 1020 watts per second x 0.74(watt Second) = 754.8 ft-lb's sec x 60 sec(minute) =4 5,288 ft lbs per minute x 0.74 = 33513 ft-lb's per minute and the energy used to produce this is 3925 ft-lb's minute. Take 33513 ft-lb's minute divided by 3925 = 8.5 power. It produce than used
*The engineering company stated that this does not break any laws of physics and this is the most efficient way to produce electricty without pollution.
Wonder if attaching scooter motors to the end of the lever arms and let it ride around and around a track turning the generator in the middle would work. Much like draft animal power but without the animal.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/technology/animal_power.htm
Did you notice that "watts per minute" is something that a real engineer would never say or use in an energy calculation.... since it makes no sense?
The WATT is a RATE of energy use or dissipation, a rate of one Joule per second. Consider a 100 Watt light bulb.
Does it make sense to you to say "100 Joules per second per minute" when talking about the power usage of that bulb?
The only way that a statement like this could make sense is if it is talking about a Rate of Change of the power output. If I go smoothly from one hundred watts to one thousand watts over a period of ten minutes, that would be an average "rate of change" of one hundred Watts per minute.
When I see power and energy units misused as above, and the post is talking about "engineering testing"..... I pretty much know what I am being presented with.
Are we talking about this EPS? It might be interesting to email them to see if there is any confirmation of the claims in the above post.
http://www.eps-international.com/ (http://www.eps-international.com/)
Or this one:
http://www.epsinc.com/
Gaah. Let's see if we can decode this.
There are some math errors and the major messup of "watts per minute", but the numbers as shown still "appear" to present an OU ratio of about 6:1, if I've done it right myself.
QuoteEPS Electric Engineering Testing Company did the testing for the event:
1. We have a 3 phase generator that has 42 coils in it. (the more coils reduced the number of rotations it needs to produce energy)
2. We have 18/1 gearbox. (this is called a torque multiplier)
3. We have a toque arm that is 10 feet long.
A toque is a kind of hat. Maybe you mean "torque" in which case the correct term is moment arm. Anyway, this then is the RADIUS of your circle, right? Ten feet. So your circle is twenty feet across.
Quote
4. The Force is produced by man pushing.
5. We have a fish scale to pull the torque bar to see what force the man would have to push. (10-25)lbs
6. The Man will turn the torque 5 complete rotations.
7. Each rotation turns the gearbox, which turns the generator 5 x 18=90 rpm
So, here we are assuming that the 5 complete revolutions are done in one minute. Otherwise, where did the RPM (revolutions PER MINUTE) come from? Really, all we know is that each rotation turns the gearbox 18 rotations, and five input rotations turn the gearbox 90 rotations. If this is done in a minute, say so before this point.
Quote
8. Each rotation the man travels 10 ft x 3.14 (360 degrees) = 31.4 feet x 5 rpm = 157 ft travel per minute x 25 lbs(per ft) =3925 ft lbs minute x .74 (watt sec)=2904 watts per minute
ORLY? Come, let us calculate together. The formula for the circumference of a circle is C=2*pi*r, where r is the radius. Isn't our radius TEN FEET? So the circle is 62.8 feet around, not 31.4 feet. Next, that means that 314 feet were traveled in a minute. The work performed, then, is 314 feet x 25 pounds force = 7850 foot-pounds, in one minute. That works out to 7850/60 = about 131 footpounds/second, which is a little over 177 Watts.
The quote has 157 feet of travel per minute x 25 pounds = 3925 ftlbs minute??? 157 x 25 = 3925, but the true value is twice that, or 7850 footpounds minute.
http://www.aqua-calc.com/convert/power/foot-pound-per-second-to-watt (http://www.aqua-calc.com/convert/power/foot-pound-per-second-to-watt)
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9. The engineer meter read 30 volts x 20 amps = 600 watts per phase x 1.732 = 1020 watts per minute.
NOT watts per minute, just watts. But what was the load, how was the meter wired in, where did the 1.732 factor come from? Now we are in the realm where information is lacking to complete my calculation. The load phase angle is needed.
Quote
10. 1020 watts is true power watts out of 1800 watts produced, also 1020 watts per second x 0.74(watt Second) = 754.8 ft-lb's sec x 60 sec(minute) =4 5,288 ft lbs per minute x 0.74 = 33513 ft-lb's per minute and the energy used to produce this is 3925 ft-lb's minute. Take 33513 ft-lb's minute divided by 3925 = 8.5 power. It produce than used (sic)
Well, presuming your 1020 Watts (not per second) output figure is correct, 1020/177 = a bit under 6. (There's that 6:1 OU ratio again.... it's everywhere.) But seriously.... the math that is being done in the quotation is just bogus entirely.
1020 Watts x 0.74 = 755 footpounds/second x 60 seconds/minute = 45300 footpounds Per Minute.... times 0.74 again? Why? Footpounds per minute x 0.74 =... Whaat? This kind of confusion is what happens when units are not understood or included in calculations.
Quote
*The engineering company stated that this does not break any laws of physics and this is the most efficient way to produce electricty without pollution.
May we see some proof of the output power measurements, and/or the signed official report from the engineering company that made that statement?
Please?
(srry, I had to edit some errors of my own...)
Bottom line: Using their numbers but calculating correctly, I hope, and eliminating the bogus "watts per minute" fail, I get a ratio of 5.77 output to 1 input, and this agrees using either Watts, or footpound minutes (duh.... the conversion factor is ~ 0.74.) So I'd like to see proof of the input and output numbers. A man dragging a fishscale along at a rate of 314 feet per minute around a circle doesn't seem like a very precise input measurement, and without knowing what the load is and how the output was measured... those nice round numbers of 30 volts and 20 amps (RMS, or peak?) .... the COP can't be trusted.
Hi TinselKoala,
After doing some more searching I cannot find any reference to EPS Electric Engineering Testing Company actually doing any tests for world records or in relationship to JB PowerSystems. The only reference that pops up is on JB's website. ???
Well, in all fairness a company hired to do testing might not publish or report results of the tests except to the client. It's up to JB to provide evidence that the testing and the company's conclusions went as he says they did.
But if he's using a company's name as part of a sales promotion, then they might be concerned if he is misrepresenting their findings in any way. So, it boils down to the usual thing: the person making the claim is in control of the information, and if that claimant doesn't want to provide proof of a statement, there isn't much I can do about it, that's for sure. All I can do is examine what _has_ been said for inconsistencies and errors, and try to interpret what those errors mean. In the present case, I am quite certain that no Electrical Power Systems engineer would make a statement including "Watts per second" unless that engineer was talking about a time rate of change of the output of a system, not its constant power output. To me, this reinforces my original opinion.
Gadget and all:
Thank you for nominating me to be a team leader here. However, I must decline as I will not sign any sort of NDA which will most likely end up limiting some of the work I am already doing on my own in several different areas.
An NDA on an open source research site does not make any sense to me at all.
Thank you,
Bill
i dont think there is a nda of any kind
I thought of joining I have a few dc motors but the gag agreement does not agree with me either, if I know something that will help others to break free you can bet your boots Im gonna tell everyone,
Open source
Help the poor
dave
Quote from: JouleSeeker on September 28, 2012, 05:45:49 PM
I share Koala's concerns. Particularly, the NDA requirement is a big concern:
1. Let's suppose I'm working on a motor-generator concept myself
2. But I sign inventacom's NDA in order to be on the private "Team"
3. Then I learn something that will help me with my own motor-gen developments...
4. Can I freely discuss MY motor-gen ideas at that point, open source? or am I bound by the NDA?
That's why I was dismayed as soon as I saw the NDA requirement....
5. With the NDA, can anyone even tell us when the device works, or doesn't work? (for sure)
The departure from freedom of speech, "free" energy and open source is a valid concern IMO.
Robbie:
This was what i was talking about. There are a bunch of other posts speaking of the NDA. I will not do that.
Bill
It simply is not that way guys . The agreement with inventacom was not to share HIS media pictures or diagrams so they would not be on the www or any google search or any youtube channel tied to him in anyway.. Thats all that is . He took the only measures he could to do that . What HIS ideas and property he can do as he likes and he chose to keep it off the Internet but share it the best way he knows how without HIS media public . Through a very well organized Team structure.
Bill i understand and respect your decisions. I along with 25 others will continue being taught by Darby as long as we can .
jouleseeker quote Quote from: JouleSeeker on September 28, 2012, 06:45:49 PM
I share Koala's concerns. Particularly, the NDA requirement is a big concern:
1. Let's suppose I'm working on a motor-generator concept myself
2. But I sign inventacom's NDA in order to be on the private "Team"
3. Then I learn something that will help me with my own motor-gen developments...
4. Can I freely discuss MY motor-gen ideas at that point, open source? or am I bound by the NDA?
That's why I was dismayed as soon as I saw the NDA requirement....
5. With the NDA, can anyone even tell us when the device works, or doesn't work? (for sure)
The departure from freedom of speech, "free" energy and open source is a valid concern IMO.
It has NOTHING to do with what you do think or build . You do not know his ideas and you are not on his team so do what you do .If you look at all the Free Energy Motor gens you will notice that NONE OF THE INVENTORS that showed it public are anywhere to be found . GET IT? Build it ,share it public .you will disappear from the face of the earth and your invention will just a youtube Video .
I think Darby is one of the Smartest people alive even though if you ask him he is just a simple ordinary person .
Gadget
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 01, 2012, 08:02:00 PM
Gadget and all:
Thank you for nominating me to be a team leader here. However, I must decline as I will not sign any sort of NDA which will most likely end up limiting some of the work I am already doing on my own in several different areas.
An NDA on an open source research site does not make any sense to me at all.
Thank you,
Bill
I totally agree with Bill.
@gadget:
Quote.If you look at all the Free Energy Motor gens you will notice that NONE OF THE INVENTORS that showed it public are anywhere to be found . GET IT? Build it ,share it public .you will disappear from the face of the earth and your invention will just a youtube Video .
How about John Bedini? Fernando Ramos? Ucross? Bobby Amarasingam? They are still around, aren't they?Ucross reportedly has a motor-generator for sale right now:
QuoteUcross will sell the 3Kw model for $7,000. He states that there is a hidden key that is only revealed with the purchase of a kit. -- EF.com post by i_ron
Consider also please: Fernando Ramos of Peru wins bronze prize at a competition in Geneva for his invention:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEW4ySAqyuU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEW4ySAqyuU)
Further progress and development:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVMOqox4dE4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVMOqox4dE4)
Sterling Allan shot this video at Bobby Amarasingam's place in Somerset, Britain on September 5, 2011. These are a couple of earlier prototypes that presented learning information on which he expanded. He said that he measured prototype 10 (the second of the two in the video) as outputting four times as much energy as input, using gravity as the driving inertial force.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgTcHAZaIyE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgTcHAZaIyE)
Note:
I hope that Inventacom/Darby is indeed willing to share his knowledge with mankind and that this effort succeeds!
AT the same time, should we not give credit to those who have gone before in "Torque Amplification", such as Fernando Ramos, Ucross, and Bobby Amarasingam? They are still around.
we all know Sterling Allen is an idiot and we all also know none if any of what you showed you can buy at your local Big blue nor can you fly with anti-gravity nor can you power your house with said inventions because of the facts I stated . Yes John Bedini is here . I build many of them but they will not run your house or heat and cool your house nor will he sell you one that will . Why ?Because he knows he won;t be around very long if he did . Same with J Hutchinson .I know him and have bought stuff from him and sold some stuff to him but it won't run my house nor will he discuss his earlier discovery's with you . Why ? Because he knows he will not be around very long and he don't need the money either .. and well the Torque Amplification thing won't run more than a Minute before it shakes to pieces . Good idea but it will not run your house and all the replications have failed so yes good try but no ribbon here either .
Build it and show it running your house for a few weeks and you will soon see what i am talking about.
So anyways Maybe some day some one will take the oil companies out(yea right) and give you freedom .Until then free energy exists for the few who put out the extra effort and money You want a free energy generator you can buy right now . i'll give you a link to buy it . With a lot of money an a small motor and a little work you got one to power a few homes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InZ9XtiKpXo
Buy it Now : http://www.ebay.pl/itm/Wind-Water-Magnet-Generator-1300kw-1-3MW-750rpm-/280980873907?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_212&hash=item416bc3e2b3
Is any oil company worried about this one ? No . Because 95% of the population don't have the money so they will never stop paying the light bill . I am one of them .
Quote from: gadgetmall on October 02, 2012, 11:33:48 AM
we all know Sterling Allen is an idiot
Not true.
Quote from: gadgetmall on October 02, 2012, 11:33:48 AM You want a free energy generator you can buy right now . i'll give you a link to buy it . With a lot of money an a small motor and a little work you got one to power a few homes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InZ9XtiKpXo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InZ9XtiKpXo)
Buy it Now : http://www.ebay.pl/itm/Wind-Water-Magnet-Generator-1300kw-1-3MW-750rpm-/280980873907?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_212&hash=item416bc3e2b3 (http://www.ebay.pl/itm/Wind-Water-Magnet-Generator-1300kw-1-3MW-750rpm-/280980873907?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_212&hash=item416bc3e2b3)
Is any oil company worried about this one ? No . Because 95% of the population don't have the money so they will never stop paying the light bill . I am one of them .
So I went to the site you recommended, and found this note there IN BOLD lettering:
"Please note:
ITS NOT PERPETUAL MOTION YOU CAN NOT TURN IT WITH SMALLER ELECTRIC MOTOR.
COZ THERE IS DRAG ON THE SHAFT UNDER LOAD. ALWAYS WE HAVE TO PUT 11KW OF MECHANICAL ENERGY TO GET 10KW ELECTRICAL ENERGY... So please dont ask us how many kw is needed to turn it... as we have a lot of questions like that every day... ;)
These generators can be used in wind, water turbines, also with gas, or diesel engine."So your statement that this is "a free energy generator" is again
NOT TRUE.
Your response?
thanks for the info .
Quote from: gadgetmall on October 02, 2012, 02:35:07 PM
thanks for the info .
You're welcome.
Stealth at EF also claims to having working mechanical ou devices, prototypes. And he recently shared a sketch of one of these. Quite interesting, and he still lives BTW.
Link:
Stealth design
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12346-mechanical-devices-energy-gain.html
Best wishes,
Steve
Quote from: JouleSeeker on October 02, 2012, 03:15:59 PM
You're welcome.
Stealth at EF also claims to having working mechanical ou devices, prototypes. And he recently shared a sketch of one of these. Quite interesting, and he still lives BTW.
Link:
Stealth design
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12346-mechanical-devices-energy-gain.html
Best wishes,
Steve
Several thoughts here.... First a response to Jouleseeker. I don't see that Stealth has shared any sketches I could go out and build a device from - one rough sketch with little info. Note that Peter Lindemann says to Stealth "At this point, I'm not sure exactly how it works." and if Peter Lindemann doesn't understand how it works I doubt anyone else would. I've been watching that thread. He says he has something but has not really shared any details and has mostly made statements like 'I'll think about sharing" and his last statement "There are many more things I could reveal, but I will let you all ponder these for a while." Nothing at all there I could go out and build a free energy device with. I have pointed out before that it seems the inventors who have 'motor related' free energy devices either disappear the fastest or for some reason clam up and go away. I think that happens because motors have a potential to generate real usable power easier than most other devices and would be something many people could either build or modify existing ones to get free energy.
I agree with everything gadgetmall has said above too. However one thing that probably has not been mentioned here that may be of some consolation to those who are concerned about the rather loosely defined NDA thing. I believe Inventacom wants people to have this but wants credit and probably some money for all the hard work he put into it. Who wouldn't? Look at how Matthew Jones at Energeticforum has limited his findings after years of working on the Tesla Switch. He has finally had some success with that apparently but is only sharing with those who have done real work in building and studying this in depth. Eventually I expect that will become more open.
Here is what I expect to happen with the Inventacom device. If it turns out to be real and can be replicated I and I think others will be doing all we can to convince Inventacom how the only way this will become useful and used by anyone is to open source it. I feel I can make some very compelling arguments for that and I expect that will be the outcome - open source but with some ways Inventacom can make money from it as well as get the recognition for it. But first I am willing to be in the NDA situation to find out if it is valid and real world usable or whether it may be errors in measurement or other situations that make it not usable. Without taking it on this way I fear is device would be just one more to disappear into the book of 'good ideas that may have worked'. One step at a time....
@e2matrix:
Very well put.
truesearch
Thanks truesearch. I do know Jouleseeker has his heart in the right place on all this and I'll add I did re-read that thread he mentioned and I do see Stealth has given out a little more info but I don't think it's yet enough for one to build what he's talking about. I do think it gives some hope to the concept of amplifying power somehow and maybe by luck or by design Inventacom's device hit on something similar.
Thanks E2matrix. I would like to see FE succeed and get out to benefit mankind.
Next path I've been pursuing:
UCROS ENERGIES OF THE NEW RENEWABLE ENERGY CYCLE ELECTRICAL - ENGLISH (http://www.ucros-energy.es.tl/ENGLISH-.htm)
I've been writing to Ucros this week. He does have a kit for an electric bike for $3,000 US.
This morning I wrote to Ucros stating that I was considering which type of kit to buy, and that may take a few weeks.
He promptly replied:
Quote:
OK Mr Jones si de aqui a ese tiempo no e serrado negocio con un Empresario español que me esta haciendo una oferta de los derechos por 5 Millones de Euros y el los venderas y tendra los derechos si no me lo compra a mi se lo comprara a el saludos.
Google is not clear:
OK Mr Jones if not here at that time and sawing business with a Spanish businessman I are bidding rights for 5 million euro and the rights and shall sell any if I do not buy from me to buy it the greetings. |
That sounds like he may be "selling out" for 5 million euros -- but can anyone help with the translation?
Hi Fighters,
For a good fitter/builder it should not to be too difficult to reproduce (downsize)
this device:
F.M.CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhZZ9DuzK4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhZZ9DuzK4&NR=1)
Yes indeed, I do not feel like having such a killing machine in my living room
or even in my cellar. :P
A smaller one, perhaps?
F.M.Chalkalis Energy Multiplier No.2
http://chalkalis.blogspot.fr/ (http://chalkalis.blogspot.fr/)
I'm under the impression that just showing this apparatus is already nearly open
sourcing it. No?
IMO, with a smaller model some experiments could be done.
I have joined a text (a little bit over my understanding) from the late Stefan Marinov:
"Generation of free momentum of free energy by the help of centrifugal forces".
(PotentialForcesAndKineticForces-StefanMarinov.pdf)
Le bonjour chez vous,
Jean
VERY SAD NEWS . I just spoke with his wife Jen.
Darby Mc George was in a serious car accident In case you didn't know, Darby was in a very bad motor vehicle accident. The accident crushed him from his hips down to his feet. He has had multiple surgeries in the last couple of days and remains in the hospital at this time.
Gadget
Quote from: gadgetmall on October 04, 2012, 06:57:54 PM
VERY SAD NEWS . I just spoke with his wife Jen.
Darby Mc George was in a serious car accident In case you didn't know, Darby was in a very bad motor vehicle accident. The accident crushed him from his hips down to his feet. He has had multiple surgeries in the last couple of days and remains in the hospital at this time.
Gadget
You are saying that Invent was the one in the accident?
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on October 04, 2012, 07:27:32 PM
You are saying that Invent was the one in the accident?
Mags
Darby = Inventacom.
I'm sorry.
Quote from: gadgetmall on October 04, 2012, 06:57:54 PM
VERY SAD NEWS . I just spoke with his wife Jen.
Darby Mc George was in a serious car accident In case you didn't know, Darby was in a very bad motor vehicle accident. The accident crushed him from his hips down to his feet. He has had multiple surgeries in the last couple of days and remains in the hospital at this time.
Gadget
OMG! Praying for his quick recovery...
Thats terrible. I hope he gets better. ;) Not to get all conspiracy story, but it reminded me of the family that went to the Gulf for vacation and the father got very ill and the doctors found that he had oil products and Corexit, the chemical that they used to disperse the oil and made it sink, not disappear, and he filed a law suit. Since then of his 4 dogs, the one that survived was stabbed, his house was broken into an ransacked, a truck crashed into the side of his vehicle.....
Not saying that is what happened here, but it shouldnt be ruled out unless the details of the accident clearly dont have indicators of such.
Ill pray for Darby.
Magluvin
Quote from: Magluvin on October 04, 2012, 07:27:32 PM
You are saying that Invent was the one in the accident?
Mags
Yes Inventacom was in the accident. I had sent an email to him earlier today because he had not been around for 6 days and I got the response from his wife - same as what gadgetmall posted.
Magluvin,
I think you are RIGHT, & that is my guess too. Click on the Link below to see more:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Aqs9LqW3oY7HpkuPQVHh5IubvZx4?p=dead+sientists&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701 (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Aqs9LqW3oY7HpkuPQVHh5IubvZx4?p=dead+sientists&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701)
.
my sincere condolences for Darby and his family.
just rec'd this from Ucros:
CARLOS UCRÃ"S PIEDRAHITA: Soy el Sur Americano de Colombia que innovo el sistema mas pequeño de energia libre con esta maqueta del mini kits-ucrós ciclo electrico autonomo de un sinple dinamo de Bicicleta de $5 dolares de 12 voltios DC a 120 VOLTIOS AC. EN 600 W. BUSCO FABRICANTE DE BICICLETAS ELECTRICAS PARA ENVIARLE ESTE SISTEMA QUE HACE FUNCIONAR LAS BICICLETAS ELECTRICAS SIN USAR bATERIAS VEALO AQUI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8hgO-VSeaM&featu
Can anyone help translate?
It is translated already on the same link you posted.
Jesus
Not sure what to think now on all this. No response from Inventacom's wife after several days. I've contacted by phone the newspaper that would cover any serious accidents in that area and they don't know anything about any such accident. They said they would look into it and email me if they find out anything. All I can say at this point is we have a mystery....
I bet Bill could find out what is going on .I hear he is one of the best Pi's out there .I will ask him and get to the bottom of this "mystery"..
Is this what we are doing -
http://www.overunity.com/12159/how-to-couple-fuelless-generators/ (http://www.overunity.com/12159/how-to-couple-fuelless-generators/)
Penno
It seems that it is that with some variations.
Jesus
How many times have we seen this?
How many variations? (everyone is still waiting for the Magna Coaster device they paid for)
I have seen many such devices (i even checked out Sterling's one in South Africa)
here is a clue, its what we call the battery effect, fools a few people sometimes.
Run it on some caps or run it closed loop.
i know I am the bad guy bearer of bad news.
It a bugger having science and the laws of physics on my side.
However love the experiments lal you guys do
Kind Regards
mark
PS I am sad to hear about the accident , no one deserves that to happen to them.
Kind Regards
mark
I don't think it's like the link penno64 showed much at all. I think it's more related to the concepts started in this message thread by Peter Lindemann here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12346-mechanical-devices-energy-gain.html
There have been a number of systems that seem to show energy gain using those concepts including the blind Peruvian Inventor's device and Chas Campbell system in Patrick Kelly's book. Chas isn't asking for anything and having seen his video's I have no reason to believe it doesn't work. It can be looped as his starts on AC - no battery and can be switched to self run. There are other examples too but most seem to disappear for one reason or another....
Here's the latest claim.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Self-Looped_Motor-Generator_by_usweentop
Hi People,
An old claim: consult patent WO 2004/091083 A1 (attached file).
YILDIZ Muammer
"A SYSTEM WICH GENERATES ELECTRICAL POWER VIA AN ACCUMULATOR
THAT PROVIDES THE INITIAL MOTION FOR THE SYSTEM"
Please note that there is a thread in this forum about another YILDIZ Muammer's device
(a self running permanent magnet motor). This one was deemed as a scam.
Anyway, the fig 2 of the patent is showing similar setup..
Very Best,
Jean
Hi Folks,
There are some other patents on connecting a motor to the generator via some gear system, see the links below, (by courtesy of member LancaIV on a German forum)
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=GB&NR=365209&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=GB&NR=365209&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP)
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=JP&NR=58127557&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=JP&NR=58127557&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP)
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20020306&CC=GB&NR=2366455A&KC=A (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20020306&CC=GB&NR=2366455A&KC=A)
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19830420&CC=EP&NR=0077306A2&KC=A2 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19830420&CC=EP&NR=0077306A2&KC=A2)
We need to study these to find a 'common denominator' LOL (surely there are some other similar patents I am not aware of)
Gyula
Hi GyulaSun and People,
Thanks a lot for these patents.
The common denominator is that some individuals were crazy/ignorant/fool/else? enough to dare to connect an electric motor to an electric generator. ;D
Most of time a generator is geared to an internal combustion engine a wind mill, a wind turbine.. Etc..
Theoretically this cannot work, of course.
What if, provided some 'tricks' (= gearing/motor/generator modifications?),
it practically can (with all due respect to Tinsel..., Alseta...)? :P
You want more funny patents? What about:
BE438189
BE754918
BE879579
(Attached file)
Very Best,
Jean
As long as a battery is in the circuit NiCad or LeadAcid we might have to deal with an effect described in this yt video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVOBNp_91io (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVOBNp_91io)
and confirmed by Naudin: (the motor run with 0 Volts)
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalchrg.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalchrg.htm)
and it depends on the battery effect it will not run without a battery !!
Here's another case of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics going down the toilet:
Ash started a thread here on this but I mention it here because it's another situation where an electric motor is running a generator that becomes self powered once it's started and puts out huge excesses of power. They already have prices up for the larger units. I truly hope this is real as they say it can be used in cars as well as for home power. They have prices on 1.5 Megawatt units and up and those prices are apparently a lot less than what it would cost in solar, wind, coal, nuclear etc.
http://www.cogarinternationalenergy.com/index.php
video
http://www.cogarinternationalenergy.com/prototype-demonstration.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v7dwcM83Do&feature=related
Hi e2matrix,
Any change you could provide a link for the thread to which you refered in your previous post?
Thanks!
JJUK
Hi JJUK,
Here it is:
http://www.overunity.com/12799/hydro-electric-reactor-coger-international/msg339682/#msg339682
Gyula
Thanks Gyula :)
Quote from: e2matrix on October 10, 2012, 08:42:47 PM
Here's another case of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics going down the toilet:
Ash started a thread here on this but I mention it here because it's another situation where an electric motor is running a generator that becomes self powered once it's started and puts out huge excesses of power. They already have prices up for the larger units. I truly hope this is real as they say it can be used in cars as well as for home power. They have prices on 1.5 Megawatt units and up and those prices are apparently a lot less than what it would cost in solar, wind, coal, nuclear etc.
http://www.cogarinternationalenergy.com/index.php (http://www.cogarinternationalenergy.com/index.php)
video
http://www.cogarinternationalenergy.com/prototype-demonstration.php (http://www.cogarinternationalenergy.com/prototype-demonstration.php)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v7dwcM83Do&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v7dwcM83Do&feature=related)
Turbines work on pressure differential. if you take the output from the turbine and feed it back into the input you reduce the pressure differential thereby making the turbine far less efficient.
Notice how his 'how it works' page doesn't describe how it works!
His 'Hydro-Electric Reactor Test Analysis' contains no analysis (and no supporting data)
But he is not shy of asking for money.
Move along people just another in a very long list of energy scams. it seems more are appearing every day.
Yes, the battery effect! A real effect, indeed.
I do not dispute it.
But, when no battery is involved or when the bat. is just used to
start the system. What about the battery effect?
Thanks to E2matrix for pointing out this "Cogar" engine.
It should work in accordance with the battery effect... :P
Hi People,
Another (claimed) self sustaining device.
UK Patent Application GB 2489759. Publication Date 10 10 2012. Yesterday!
It uses batteries. :'(
See attached file.
BTW, If you are interested in 'OU' patents, just goto:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP)
And fill the last line "International Patent Classification (IPC) with
H02K53 (Zero 2 K).
See attached picture.
Very Best,
Jean
Quote from: NerzhDishual on October 11, 2012, 07:31:56 AM
Yes, the battery effect! A real effect, indeed.
I do not dispute it.
But, when no battery is involved or when the bat. is just used to
start the system. What about the battery effect?
Thanks to E2matrix for pointing out this "Cogar" engine.
It should work in accordance with the battery effect... :P
You mean like my car? I need the battery to start the car, certainly. But.... once the car is running I can remove the battery, it's no longer necessary as long as the rest of the electrical system is working properly.
Not so, with battery-powered overunity devices. Remove the battery and they quickly stop running.... even the ones that run on "zero volts".
Of course, I do have a circuit that runs on capacitors alone and produces negative average power...... but it still runs down and stops. Because..... there is no battery !!
Quote from: CuriousChris on October 11, 2012, 07:27:03 AM
Turbines work on pressure differential. if you take the output from the turbine and feed it back into the input you reduce the pressure differential thereby making the turbine far less efficient.
Notice how his 'how it works' page doesn't describe how it works!
His 'Hydro-Electric Reactor Test Analysis' contains no analysis (and no supporting data)
But he is not shy of asking for money.
Move along people just another in a very long list of energy scams. it seems more are appearing every day.
I don't know for sure this is real or fake but IMO why the heck would people waste that much time and money to build something that big and invite the media (did you see the vid with all the media there?) if it's all fake. Afterall the unit claims clearly that once it is running you pull the plug from external power and it will self run. It will be painfully obvious from the first unit sold if it does not work. And do you think that anyone with over a million dollars to spend on the current offering wouldn't have the means to go after people selling a total scam? They would have to be nuts to scam people with this. The only reason I can think of they would be scamming is to drive down oil prices and energy prices if investors get wind of this and believe oil will soon be a thing of the past. But even that would be a very temporary thing.
Quote from: TinselKoala on October 11, 2012, 08:31:06 AM
You mean like my car? I need the battery to start the car, certainly.
But.... once the car is running I can remove the battery, it's no longer necessary
as long as the rest of the electrical system is working properly.
Yes, dear alkalin_toes/killas_atone (some suggestions) , that is what I meant.
Now, about "battery-powered overunity devices", I dunno, but I respect experiments.
Very Best,
Jean
Hi Blokes,
I do agree with the E2matrix's last post.
Decidedly, there is lot of individuals that are willing to waste? spend? money/time in patenting
strange same (impossible?) things.
After a quick search (took me about one hour) in the Espacenet worldwide Patents database.
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP)
With:
2 Keys words "motor and generator" in the "Title or abstract" line
And "H02K53" in the IPC line
I got 10 more patents of the same ilk.
I was not interested in Chinese ones.
In my huge generosity ( :P ), I have put these patents (and the GyulaSun suggested ones) here:
http://www.freenrg.info/Patents/SELF_SUST_MOTOR_GEN_SYST/ (http://www.freenrg.info/Patents/SELF_SUST_MOTOR_GEN_SYST/)
Do not bother to read (and sometime to translate) the texts, just look at the figures...
All these guys are just patenting the same (useless?) bl' devices.
You know what? I'm stupid enough to thing about trying some experiments
Very Best from Brest and gwella soñjou a-berz Jean
There is more than a passing similarity to this device that semenihin-77 posted on the Kapanadze thread:
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg335303/#msg335303 (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg335303/#msg335303)
I haven't got very far with my investigations unfortunately. I don't even know who the inventor is and semenihin-77 hasn't answered my PMs about the device. He must know something though as although there is another copy of the video on YouTube, I haven't been able to find the photos he included in his post. I've been running some basic tests with the Outwell Storm air pump http://www.outwell.com/en/Products/Accessories/Pumps/StormPump12V.aspx (http://www.outwell.com/en/Products/Accessories/Pumps/StormPump12V.aspx). I suppose I should really have bought the Intex one shown in the video but the Storm generates 750L/min air flow which I hoped would increase the chances of replication. I've not managed to find a suitable turbine as yet but I suspect something along the lines of the turbine in the Dyson vacuum cleaner heads might work:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=dyson+turbine+head+turbo+brush&FORM=HDRSC2#x0y0 (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=dyson+turbine+head+turbo+brush&FORM=HDRSC2#x0y0)
Any thoughts as to something more suited to the task?
Quote from: e2matrix on October 11, 2012, 01:04:35 PMIt will be painfully obvious from the first unit sold if it does not work. And do you think that anyone with over a million dollars to spend on the current offering wouldn't have the means to go after people selling a total scam?
Kapanadze example: investors with money somehow can't find means, paying thousands for mere demos.
Quote from: http://www.cogarinternationalenergy.com/investment-opportunities.php...The company has no intention of going public or being traded on any stock exchange. 2. Any individual or institutional investor interested in providing funding for the business growth of the company will be an annual return of 25% (Twenty Five Percent) interest on Principal for a period of 10 years. This amount will be payable quarterly beginning from the third year of funding being provided.
Payable beginning from the third year of funding?? Enough time to establish pretty good Ponzi Scheme. Potential buyers will see only excuses.
edit
US Patent Application for this:
www.google.com/patents/US20110048008.pdf
Quote from: CuriousChris on October 11, 2012, 07:27:03 AM
Turbines work on pressure differential. if you take the output from the turbine and feed it back into the input you reduce the pressure differential thereby making the turbine far less efficient.
Notice how his 'how it works' page doesn't describe how it works!
His 'Hydro-Electric Reactor Test Analysis' contains no analysis (and no supporting data)
But he is not shy of asking for money.
Move along people just another in a very long list of energy scams. it seems more are appearing every day.
Yes of cause, but this thing may be different, like EVGRAY they only give so much detail out, if you watch all their videos (in the press one they ask them to explain scientifically) they talk about COMPRESSION of air, that's a s much as they will disclose, Hidro did the same,(you have ton sign an NDA, but they still OFFER the details , so they are not hiding per se) they will always hide details its a fact, unless you sign an NDA it will be with FE till the end days, until we open source a unit
also they offer to refund your money and state if it doesnt perform you get a refund, they do put a 5 K offer up, i think to stop people who cannot afford it wasting their time.
Ash
ashtweth_nihilisti, if you have no objections, be so kind and do something nice for this forum: take your $100.000 and pay them, then report results here. I'm not going to do this coz I smell it a SCAM
Wow cant believe it's still going.
Quote from: e2matrix on October 11, 2012, 01:04:35 PM
I don't know for sure this is real or fake but IMO why the heck would people waste that much time and money to build something that big and invite the media (did you see the vid with all the media there?) if it's all fake. Afterall the unit claims clearly that once it is running you pull the plug from external power and it will self run. It will be painfully obvious from the first unit sold if it does not work. And do you think that anyone with over a million dollars to spend on the current offering wouldn't have the means to go after people selling a total scam? They would have to be nuts to scam people with this. The only reason I can think of they would be scamming is to drive down oil prices and energy prices if investors get wind of this and believe oil will soon be a thing of the past. But even that would be a very temporary thing.
This is exactly how scammers operate. show a fancy looking device. Get some people who don't work in the field to look at it and say wow this is great, get some certifications that says yes this device does something. Apply for a patent (patents don't prove something works).
Then ask for money.
Never quite deliver. There is always something more to do. They rely on people giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Steorn is absolute proof of this. Spent millions of other peoples money and never delivered. People still believe in him, Why? because people believe what they want to believe
How about Papp and his fake Plasma engine. He admitted to Bob Rhoner (who is still trying to sell plasma engines by the way) that he had no intention of 'developing' the plasma engine while the living's so good. If he had the real thing, his millions he took from investors would have paled into insignificance next to the fame and fortune he would have got.
People are always willing to give the benefit of the doubt, just as in this case. Those with money will often 'take the risk' in case the payoff is good. For the scammer the payoff is always good. They rarely ever get taken to court and there excuse is always the same. "It was a risk and the investor knew it". "sorry it just didnt work!". Yet they pay themselves handsomely along the way.
And before you know it they are out with another scam.
Rossi is another example of this. two failed 'inventions', millions of dollars. Time in jail. Yet he is at it again. He has gone from ecat to megawatt ecat to hot cat, now to megawatt hot cat, never showing a real working device and people are still throwing money at him.
And what about Mister Wayne and his Brayne... er, Zed I mean? Is the jury still out on that one.... or not?
::)
Magluvin said: Not to get all conspiracy story, but it reminded me of the family that went to the Gulf for vacation and the father got very ill and
the doctors found that he had oil products and Corexit, the chemical that they used to disperse the oil and made it sink, not disappear, and he filed a law suit.
Since then of his 4 dogs, the one that survived was stabbed, his house was broken into an ransacked, a truck crashed into the side of his vehicle.....
=================================================================
Click on this Link to learn more:
http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=146 (http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=146)
Is this thread another case of an 'Inventor' waltzing in making impossible claims and never being heard from again?
Oh No the MIB 8) must have got to him. >:(
It seems the ZED has followed the same path. but this time its the 'validation team' That's an even more secret branch of the government than the MIB.
Hi Balanced Individuals,
Beware!
This thread is going berzerk and even running amok.
It has essentially been hijacked by two very nasty powerful '2D' trolls.
Actually, '2D' beings are very very perverse and most of time not perceived as such.
Our mental sanity is at skate.
Basta cosi!
Cela suffit maintenant !
Bande d'enfoirés de putain de nazes :
CuriousChris de mes couilles: je te pisse à la raie avec un fin roseau.
Tinsel... de fils de pute. Ta mère elle rembobine les CD.
Ras le bol de vos conneries.
Yours faithfully,
Yann
NerzhDishual.
You must be one sick individual to have to descend to such low retorts.
What next Hey?
"Don't they know its because of them no-one succeeds!"
You are a sad and very immature person, My guess is thats not the first time you have heard someone say that about you
Thanks to google translate...
Vous devez être une personne malade d'avoir à descendre à de telles répliques faibles.
Que Hey prochaine?
"Ne savent c'est à cause de leur personne ne réussit!"
Vous êtes une personne triste et très immature, Ma conjecture est ce n'est pas la première fois que vous avez entendu quelqu'un dire que sur vous
Puerile Ad hominem attacks only reflect on the person making them.
People who cannot DO..... blame others for their lack of success.
It's nice to know that, simply by posting my opinions and known facts in a forum, I can suppress Free Energy Technologies to the point where people have to speak FRENCH in order to bypass my power. Fortunately there is Google Translate, so I can see who is insulting me and how they are doing it.
Don't forget: some people believed in Mylow. I did not. Some people believed in Archer Quinn. I did not. Some people believed in Steorn's Orbo. I did not. Some people believed in Rosemary Ainslie. I did not. There are many more......
Where is Mylow's magnet motor today?
Where is Archer Quinn today?
Where is Steorn's Orbo today?
Where is Rosemary Ainslie's NERD circuit, today?
Can you blame ME for all those people's failures to produce what they claimed they had? Fine.
Nerz, why do you not PROVE ME WRONG? Because you cannot, that is why, and I am doing nothing at all to prevent you. You are failing all on your own.
Salve Gentlemen,
So, now, I have two new enemies on this very forum.
That is what I vaguely expected in my great "infantility".
Actually, I'm fed up with Perpetual Naysayers (and a Patented Famous Faker (PFF)) in a
forum dedicated to "Over Unity"...
Should 'OU' really exist or not is another question...
Finally: yes, perpetual motion (gesticulations) exists! You, both, are the best proof of it.
For my part I gave up eating meat, for any reason. Meanwhile, I do not feel like
registering in a discussion group about the best way to cook pork chops or rib roast, and
to pontificate (and warn) that eating dead mammals is not good for health, Karma or whatever...
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I used my native language to irritate you just because I was not able to translate
my very profond and philosophical (as always, indeed. You bet it is) "thoughts" into
my poor English.
Of coarse, I'm aware of automatic translation. I often use it for technical exchanges.
For this, it works pretty well most of time. But automatic translations are not (still?) able to
give back the subtlety and the creativity of, for ex (just an ex.) the French suburbs language.
No need for whining.
Just about the "Ta mère"
Here: http://www.blague.info/blagues/ta_mere-19.html (http://www.blague.info/blagues/ta_mere-19.html)
About 500 sentences.
One ex:
"Ta mère elle est tellement petite qu'elle a toujours la tête dans le cul."
The google translation will miss something cryptically funny.
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Fortunately, it exist some forums dedicated to "alternative NRG" that are devoid of nuisance.
Guess what? In these forum, I shut off my big mouth and listen to real Researchers, Scientist
and Inventors.
Unfortunately(?) my immature nature (crippled with failures) is unable to impede me to post
in this Forum.
Why? Just because I do like this very Forum and because, thanks to it, I was able
to stumble upon (and to further get in email or phone touch (with)) few, but interesting individuals...
Gwella gourhemennou a-berz Jean
I've never thought of you ... before .... as an "enemy", Nerz. I've always read your posts with great interest. I don't know why you choose to pick on me suddenly, without even attempting to address or refute any of the actual points I've made.
As I said, I never thought of you as an "enemy". But if you like, I'm willing to try.
After doing some serious detective work I have news on Darby McGeorge alias Inventacom. I will not make any wild assumptions here but based on information obtained from the State Police, local hospitals and finally an individual I spoke with who works only a short distance from Darby's residence where he often stops in it would appear he is fine and there was no accident. State Police had no record of any such accident. Local hospitals had no record of him being there. The person who knew Darby that I talked to said they "heard rumor he had been in an accident" but that "he was fine when they saw him" and they saw him most recently this Saturday" (October 20th, 2012) with no apparent sign of having been in any accident. From that I believe we can at least conclude that the original statement which came from his email (claiming to be his wife) which claimed he was crushed from the waist down to the feet and had been through several operations was a FABRICATION with the intent to deceive all his 'team members'.
I am relieved to know he is okay and that something like MIB's didn't get him or some other similar bad situation but am not happy that I spent several days nearly 16 hours a day setting up a Forum just for him (as a former computer professional that would have cost him a bundle if I was being paid to do that) so he could keep his 'supposed device information' off the mainstream Internet. I and others purchased parts to start this project. Some members even put in a lot of work trying things and destroying a few things in the process. Considering he has not shown up on that forum or here for 24 days and yet he can walk in to a local retail establishment I think we can conclude he decided to stop sharing any information on this. Fine. I can imagine some reasons but why lie about it? I also learned some other things about him and his family which I will not disclose here but I personally don't want anything to do with him even though he may not be responsible for what his other family members have done. It's all in a public online newspaper if you dig around a little. I'll just say at this point he has ZERO credibility with me. I still believe there may be possible merit in his basic idea not because of anything he shared but because others have done work on similar devices and some of those appear to have good possibilities as mentioned previously in this message thread. I'll add just one more bit for those who didn't choose to join the 'team' to find out what he had. At no time in messages on that forum did he share any power in and power out measurements. Draw your own conclusions ....
Thanks for the update.
Its good to help prevent speculation, even the joking kind which some people take a little bit too seriously
E2matrix,
Thank you VERY MUCH for all of your detective work & for sharing it with us sir.
Thanks, E2matrix
Quote from: e2matrix on October 22, 2012, 06:04:40 PM
After doing some serious detective work I have news on Darby McGeorge alias Inventacom. I will not make any wild assumptions here but based on information obtained from the State Police, local hospitals and finally an individual I spoke with who works only a short distance from Darby's residence where he often stops in it would appear he is fine and there was no accident. State Police had no record of any such accident. Local hospitals had no record of him being there. The person who knew Darby that I talked to said they "heard rumor he had been in an accident" but that "he was fine when they saw him" and they saw him most recently this Saturday" (October 20th, 2012) with no apparent sign of having been in any accident. From that I believe we can at least conclude that the original statement which came from his email (claiming to be his wife) which claimed he was crushed from the waist down to the feet and had been through several operations was a FABRICATION with the intent to deceive all his 'team members'.
I am relieved to know he is okay and that something like MIB's didn't get him or some other similar bad situation but am not happy that I spent several days nearly 16 hours a day setting up a Forum just for him (as a former computer professional that would have cost him a bundle if I was being paid to do that) so he could keep his 'supposed device information' off the mainstream Internet. I and others purchased parts to start this project. Some members even put in a lot of work trying things and destroying a few things in the process. Considering he has not shown up on that forum or here for 24 days and yet he can walk in to a local retail establishment I think we can conclude he decided to stop sharing any information on this. Fine. I can imagine some reasons but why lie about it? I also learned some other things about him and his family which I will not disclose here but I personally don't want anything to do with him even though he may not be responsible for what his other family members have done. It's all in a public online newspaper if you dig around a little. I'll just say at this point he has ZERO credibility with me. I still believe there may be possible merit in his basic idea not because of anything he shared but because others have done work on similar devices and some of those appear to have good possibilities as mentioned previously in this message thread. I'll add just one more bit for those who didn't choose to join the 'team' to find out what he had. At no time in messages on that forum did he share any power in and power out measurements. Draw your own conclusions ....
Important: "
At no time in messages on that forum did he share any power in and power out measurements. Draw your own conclusions .... "