Just my claim...
Over unity means more energy out than what you put in. How would a supplier of energy experienc the delivery of energy?
The supplier would first experience that the ou device is supplying energy back.
If I translate this into another experiment:
I stay in front of a small boat. The boat is my over unity device. If the boat is unity, I could push the boat away without even feeling that I touched it. A little surprised, I expected a little resistance, so I allmost fell into the water.
If the boat is my over unity device, and I get ready to push it away. In the instant I push the boat, I also is pushed the same way, into the water, after the boat.
As I am being pushed after the boat, the boat will be pushed harder, which in turn means that I will be pushed even more. The push-push incident will escalate into infinite speed.
The push I feel on my body, is caused by the boat, which means that the boat is also behind me at the same time - one boat I am pushing, and one (the same boat) which pushes me. How do I get out of the way?
I will be trapped "between one boat".
This example can be translated into different ideas. Gravity machines, magnetic machines, electrostatic machines, HHO machines, etc, etc.
How would the different parts in a closed system experience over unity? If you know the answer, is it logic to think that over unity is possible?
Vidar
Pushing a normal boat will push me back. So the experience to puch the boat without experience that I did, would mean that I pushed nothing. Pushing away an over unity boat, would mean that I push something less than nothing.
Vidar
Hi Vidar,
QuotePushing away an over unity boat, would mean that I push something less than nothing.
That would be like pushing a boat in space. It's still something just traveling through less than nothing. :)
Sorry. I don't understand. :o Normal behaviour is that : you push boat and boat pushes you in opposite direction. Then to push more you have to move forward to get boat which is escaping and then push it more.
Unity boat : you push boat and it doesn't push you back but you still have to catch boat escaping you.
OU boat : you push boat and boat push you in the same direction so you are always in the same place relative to boat and can push it again.
Super OU boat : you push boat and boat push you in the direction of movement so you again collide with boat and push it harder then boat push you harder and both you and boat accelerate in the direction of movement.
That's all. There is always gain in every oscillating system but the symmetry law cause it to balance any power usage. By differentiation due to direction of mevement we got an ordinary system below unity...
Quote from: DreamThinkBuild on September 23, 2012, 12:56:07 PM
Hi Vidar,
That would be like pushing a boat in space. It's still something just traveling through less than nothing. :)
Not really. Pushing a boat in space still require energy. The mass in the must be accelerated to a given velocity. If the boat is unity, I would not feel anything but seeing the boat. However, the boat can't have mass so I could not se it - really. An over unity boat must therfor have negative mass. That means if I push that boat in space, I would be pulled away with it.
If negative mass is the same as anti-matter, I don't wanna be there when my hand touches the anti-matter boat ;-)
Vidar
Quote from: forest on September 23, 2012, 02:04:40 PM
Sorry. I don't understand. :o Normal behaviour is that : you push boat and boat pushes you in opposite direction. Then to push more you have to move forward to get boat which is escaping and then push it more.
Unity boat : you push boat and it doesn't push you back but you still have to catch boat escaping you.
OU boat : you push boat and boat push you in the same direction so you are always in the same place relative to boat and can push it again.
Super OU boat : you push boat and boat push you in the direction of movement so you again collide with boat and push it harder then boat push you harder and both you and boat accelerate in the direction of movement.
That's all. There is always gain in every oscillating system but the symmetry law cause it to balance any power usage. By differentiation due to direction of mevement we got an ordinary system below unity...
Normal behaviour is straight forward; The boat will force my hand back as much as the boat is forced forward.
However, at unity, the boat require 0 energy to start moving. That means it will be no force (I will never know if I touched it or not), only acceleration. 0 force x acceleration = 0 energy. You can't feel anything. Over unity boat; negative force x acceleration = negative energy. To achieve negative energy, the mass must be negative. However, both examples of the unity and overunity boat is fictive incidents, so there is actually no way we can confirm how it works in practice. Only theory can "confirm" the outcome.
Vidar
You take it wrongly! You are assuming that normal situation is normal and ou is strange negative energy, while (after years of analysing) I'm convinced that normal situation is due to working governor aka negative energy which is always opposite to applied force = Newton third law. Completly opposite as you see !
It has to work that way to build stable world but pure existence of explosive materials is proof that we can work around the Newton third law.