hello @all,
take a look at the picture attached
M1,M2 are permanent magnets or coils that generate a static constant field
C1,C2 are coils that are creating opposing fields
L is a simple loop
Question :
If M1M2 field is constant and the field generated by C1 and C2 is abruptly switched off (or on) will there be a current induced in loop L?
I say there will be one, what are you saying?
:-X
You should study more so you could not post of such a simple question. OU forum is NOT for beginner in electronics and physics.
@Neo-X
please excuse me for being such a morron
do you know what do i have in mind with that simple question?
i guess not
anyway you gave me an answer but not on my question. give it a real try next time
"You should study more so you could not post of such a simple question. OU forum is NOT for beginner in electronics and physics." by Neo-X
Neo-X, let's not be so hasty in dismissing him. Let us humor the fellow. Tsl, your question depends upon several conditions. First off, is this all taking place in or out of a forest and within hearing range of any humans?
@tsl:
I don't think that loop "L" will have any measurable current via induction. I'm simply going from the concept that wires/coils induct energy from a collapsing magnetic field. Your design would generate a collapsing field alright ~ however, that change would be super-imposed on the "static" magnetic field and likely would not result in very much actual field collapse as seen from the "L"-loop's point of view.
Just my 2 cents worth.
truesearch
@TechStuf @Neo-X
hmm, let's see, know what? amuse me, do a case study.
and when you're done( or if ever) be assured that a discussion about radial magnetic field anomalies
would habe been actualy interesting but of course not here on this forum for OU professionals.My bad
God bless you
Quote from: tsl on November 30, 2012, 09:53:34 AM
hello @all,
take a look at the picture attached
M1,M2 are permanent magnets or coils that generate a static constant field
C1,C2 are coils that are creating opposing fields
L is a simple loop
Question :
If M1M2 field is constant and the field generated by C1 and C2 is abruptly switched off (or on) will there be a current induced in loop L?
I say there will be one, what are you saying?
:-X
Since we don't know the distance of travel of the magnetic fields surrounding L1, the only reasonable answer would be: If there is a change in magnetic field strength at L1, then L1 will realize a pulse in proportion to that change in magnetic field strength.
Quotebe assured that a discussion about radial magnetic field anomalieswould habe been actualy interesting but of course not here on this forum for OU professionals.My badGod bless you
Neo and I were just checking your skin condition. Now as to those "radial magnetic field anomalies", I am interested as to just what you've observed. Personally, I'd be more interested in any "linear magnetic field anomalies" you may have encountered.
In our endeavours, it's always good to remember that "hands on" beats a "hand out" hands down.
TS
Quote from: tsl on November 30, 2012, 09:53:34 AM
hello @all,
take a look at the picture attached
M1,M2 are permanent magnets or coils that generate a static constant field
C1,C2 are coils that are creating opposing fields
L is a simple loop
Question :
If M1M2 field is constant and the field generated by C1 and C2 is abruptly switched off (or on) will there be a current induced in loop L?
I say there will be one, what are you saying?
:-X
Hi tek,
Good question, but the answer is no or very LITTLE induction. Been there done that, with slightly different setups. Even if magnetic fields are switched on and off, if there are opposing fields, you get zip, nada, nil, neign. Sorry.
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: Liberty on November 30, 2012, 12:11:25 PM
Since we don't know the distance of travel of the magnetic fields surrounding L1, the only reasonable answer would be: If there is a change in magnetic field strength at L1, then L1 will realize a pulse in proportion to that change in magnetic field strength.
_Rate_ of change.
It is not by coincidence that current field models as taught at universities everywhere are archaically old and wrong.
There are myriad ways of causing magnetic fields to interact, even at near field, such that ample flux lattice vector changes occur with very little cost, system wise.
There are numerous pursuits that are much more productive at this time, than induction studies....as the really advanced Free energy is truly just above and around the corner.
'Theoretically' One may get a more realistic education regarding exotic energy/propulsion systems by pointing high powered hand held lasers at the hundreds (if not thousands) of Near Earth Orbiting objects masquerading as stars overhead at this time. (NOT to be confused with intra-atmospheric aircraft, BIG no no)
It's rather breathtaking to see them zoom down from orbit, covering a hundred miles or so in a split second to hover 100 feet above one's head, bathing the entire area in eerie metallic light, after being "painted". Judging by the youtube videos, many are now waking up to the 'armada' parked in earth orbit. Many are zipping about daily in the lower atmosphere as well.
http://kdvr.com/2012/11/08/mile-high-city-mystery-ufo-sightings-in-sky-over-denver/ (http://kdvr.com/2012/11/08/mile-high-city-mystery-ufo-sightings-in-sky-over-denver/)
There IS going to be an epic battle, and the "stars" WILL fall from heaven....
Just as foretold.
@TechStuf @Neo-X hmm, let's see, know what?
amuse me, do a case study. and when you're done( or if
ever) be assured that a
discussion about radial
magnetic field anomalies
would habe been actualy
interesting but of course not here on this forum for OU
professionals.My bad
God bless you
--End of Quote--
If theres is anomaly in your design, what is it? From what would I see, you are just wasting energy instead of gaining. The two coils are in opposing field so their magnetic field are just canceled out instead of combining. So their total magnetic field change is very little. Another thing is loop L is in center of the coil c1 & c2 where the change of magnetic field is weakest (there is a little change because of magnet m1 & m2) so the induce voltage in loop L is very small. Without magnet m1 & m2 the induce voltage in loop L is zero. I hope I made a clear answer to your question.
@TechStuf @Neo-X hmm, let's see, know what?
amuse me, do a case study. and when you're done( or if
ever) be assured that a
discussion about radial
magnetic field anomalies
would habe been actualy
interesting but of course not here on this forum for OU
professionals.My bad
God bless you
--End of Quote--
If theres is anomaly in your design, what is it? From what would I see, you are just wasting energy instead of gaining. The two coils are in opposing field so their magnetic field are just canceled out instead of combining. So their total magnetic field change is very little. Another thing is loop L is in center of the coil c1 & c2 where the change of magnetic field is weakest (there is a little change because of magnet m1 & m2) so the induce voltage in loop L is very small. Without magnet m1 & m2 the induce voltage in loop L is zero. I hope I made a clear answer to your question. Sorry for my bad english.
Quote from: TechStuf on November 30, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
It is not by coincidence that current field models as taught at universities everywhere are archaically old and wrong.
snip...
Just exactly how do you know what is being taught
now in universities
everywhere? Are you omniscient? ::)
QuoteJust exactly how do you know what is being taught now in universities everywhere ? Are you omniscient?
Being as you possess internet search capability and I currently possess internet search capability....your first question is rather moot, even willfully ignorant. As for the second, the answer is - Of course not.
I do readily admit to being omnivorous, however. Perhaps that is what you meant?
TS