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Title: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 23, 2013, 08:12:31 AM
I'm starting this thread with a quote from Tinselkoala:


"But I think synchro is right about his motor: first it's working as a pulse motor, then it is working as a synchronous AC motor. Call it near-field EM or RF, whatever. The thing does not have to be "responding" to every cycle of the driving wave. The rotor magnet might be rotating at the tenth "subharmonic" of the applied EM or RF and still be getting a push from it.

At the higher speeds it's rotating for the same reason that the compass is rotating in this video. The line between "pulse motor" and "synchronous AC motor" is a fine, blurry line and you can define motors on either side of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd5w8KhYrQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd5w8KhYrQk)"
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 23, 2013, 08:20:19 AM
Retrod1's spinning a magnet sphere with a vertical Pancake Coil and a sinusoidal 70 hz audio signal at low r.p.m. Coupling my spiral bedini to accelerate the magnet sphere, and switching to a full range signal generator, a higher frequency synchronus motor may be possible run by radio waves. I don't believe this has ever been accomplished before at radio frequency, Retrod1 is using a full sine wave audio signal, higher frquencies may work as well.

From Retrod1:


@"Synchro, you have a good memory. If the drive coil is observed with a scope one can see the interaction of the spinning rotor (magnet) field with the drive coil field. I believe this is what is causing the current decrease in Lidmotor's latest video. Using a pure sine wave on the drive coil makes this easier to observe ".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTvEi_XuaL0&list=UUlgIDBiaYdtIk1O1AvqjK5Q&index=3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTvEi_XuaL0&list=UUlgIDBiaYdtIk1O1AvqjK5Q&index=3)

Transmitting a broadcast spin signal from a distance could delivery "Spin Energy" as a power company, coupled with Lenz free SBSC (Serial Bifilar Spiral Coil) output coils. Everyone could have magnet spheres spinning around on the roof. ! All they would need is starter coils and circuits to generate power at home from a radio broadcast signal.

The SBSC presents one pole in the center and this accounts for both it's power and low "Lenz Profile". This combination would serve as an accelerator and "Lenz free" output coil. A "Wireless Grid" may be possible to attain this way.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 23, 2013, 09:15:02 AM
Here's an equation from Pirate Twinbeard.; He's spininng a 1/8" magnet at 57.5 khz.

                                                 This magnet's r.p.m is on the F.M. subcarrier wavelength!

Lets do the math...
speed of sound = 1125'/second.
circumference of .125" sphere = D * Pi = .3925"
distance of travel per second of a point on the surface in inches at 57,500Hz =
.3925" * 57500Hz = 22568.75"/sec
twelve inches per foot:
22568.75"/sec / 12 = 1880.7292'/sec
Mach = '/sec divided by 1125.
That would make Mach 1.6718 as the velocity of any given point on the rotational plane of the sphere.

I can reach radio bandwidth r.p.m's with my 1/2" spiral bedini sphere. I believe I can sustain the high speed rotation, broadcasting a
corresponding sinusoidal signal at it from a "Pancake Antenna" like retrod1's. If I turn the input down all the way on the self loop version, the battery would begin to charge. Driven by a seperate sine wave, that much "Lenz Free" output would be assured. The SBSC can both race up the Sphere, and pickup for free.

What would the social and political ramifications of a positive test validation be like? The spectre of "Wireless Grid"!

The best outcome would be for each unit to supply it's own transmitter. The tune in power with frequency potential is the key to limitless power!

Below is a compact 9 volt F.M. one transister radio broadcast transmitter. Something like this can accompany any first stage pulse power circuit. The Spiral power coil would conviently double as a brodcast antenna for the radio trasmission. All that's needed is a DPDT switch to go from power pulse to sine wace synchronous..
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: retrod on April 23, 2013, 10:43:38 AM
If I only knew now what I knew then. Spinning a powerful magnet is easy and efficient. Converting the rotating magnets field to useful work is the interesting part. You are on the right track with the "radio motor". The rotating magnet energy should be converted to a Barkhausen oscillation. This should be Lenz free. See you at the flying car races!

Retrod1
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 23, 2013, 12:30:40 PM
QuoteHere's an equation from Pirate Twinbeard.; He's spininng a 1/8" magnet at 57.5 khz.

                                                 This magnet's r.p.m is on the F.M. wavelength!

Lets do the math...
speed of sound = 1125'/second.
circumference of .125" sphere = D * Pi = .3925"
distance of travel per second of a point on the surface in inches at 57,500Hz =
.3925" * 57500Hz = 22568.75"/sec
twelve inches per foot:
22568.75"/sec / 12 = 1880.7292'/sec
Mach = '/sec divided by 1125.
That would make Mach 1.6718 as the velocity of any given point on the rotational plane of the sphere.

Yes..... let's "do the math" indeed, but first let's do a reality check.

57 kHz is hardly "FM frequency". In fact 57 kHz is barely out of the Audio range (which, for the purposes of high-fidelity reproduction, goes up to 40 kHz, or about twice the range of the young human ear.) If you want to consider it RF, then it's rather the Extremely Low Frequency band.
Standard AM broadcast frequencies start at 550 kHz.... roughly ten times what's stated above, and FM broadcast band starts at around 85 _MegaHertz_ or over a thousand times higher in frequency. I'd love to see someone rotate a magnet at over a thousand times the speed of sound.

Further, is there actual evidence that the magnet is really rotating even that fast? Or is it just observed to rotate rapidly, and since the drive is at 57 kHz.... the rotation rate is assumed to be synchronous?
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 23, 2013, 12:40:12 PM
@TK,

I mistated F.M. because 57 khz is the subcarrier frequency.


                                           "Radio Data Service (on FM 57 kHz subcarrier)"


Twinbeard's magnet sphere's aledgedly driving itself with "Lenz Propulsion". Thanks for the frequency info. I should have said "F.M. 57 khz Subcarrier Wave Harmonic". I corrected that. I don't know where the resonance would couple. Once pinpointed by fishing for it, sweeping a bandwidth, a compact transmitter could take over, designed to broadcast on the one frequency like a garage door opener.  The 1/8" spinner r.p.m.'s are on the R.F. fringe, if accurate. Transmitting a matching R.F. signal to the reconnected power coil in resonace with the spinner r.p.m. should deliver power to the spinner. A signal in harmonic resonance should make it  behave the same way. Thanks!

Twinbeard's reporting a rotation speed that's close to radio wave speed. His measurements are by Oscilloscope. I can't clock mine, but they exhibit sub sonic warnings, like the Oscillating Doppler shift. I'll try and measure my max spinner r.p.m with a scope, and feed a range of broadcast sine wave signals through the power coil instead of pulses, and see if I get any traction. This should set me back a few bucks..
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 24, 2013, 12:24:58 PM
This video explains why waves are really oscillating magnetic lines.  It maintains there's a magnetic field perpendicular to the R.F. oscillation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpck4T7z38 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpck4T7z38)

Also running current into this tiny motor through wires running accross a bar magnet creates radio waves!

"A circuit is like a loop of wire, and produces a phantom magnet when current flows through it. If the current is being switched on and off, the magnet will emit radio waves".

"The magnet will emit the radio waves"! Maybe it's not the SBC but the magnet sphere thats broadcasting it's own A.C. propulsion signal in my self loop spinner?
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 25, 2013, 01:02:32 PM
This powerful new Ramsey "SG560" d.c. to 5 Mhz audio/to RF signal generator looks ideal for the experiment. I'm certain I can get a neo tube magnet to spin with it set at sine wave 70 Hz, but unlike retrod's low output audio signal generator, this one can keep going and generate a sine wave up to 5 Mhz. It runs off a d.c. battery supply of 8 to 20 volts. A 9 volt battery might be able to power a single frequency broadcaster, if I can isolate a good one.

Retrod Dave mentioned he could increase the speed very gradually, by gently raising the frequency. I plan to broadcast into one serial wraped bifilar side of my Spiral Quadfilar. The other Quadfilar SB's for the power pulse. The pulse coil can be assigned to output once the radio wave takes over. The similaritty between my my Spiral Toroid and Retrod1's degauser loop are obvious.

Dave placed two degauser loop coils back to back and generated 300 volts off his 2" neo sphere magnet with his 70 hz sine wave signal! The power output from the signal generator is not that huge.


Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 25, 2013, 06:41:17 PM
Voltage is not power. Power is not energy.




Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 26, 2013, 09:37:43 AM
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 25, 2013, 06:41:17 PM
Voltage is not power. Power is not energy.

Retrod1 failed to report on any amperage off the 2" Neo Sphere. He would stop the sine wave powered spinner if he tried to draw amperage accross a resistive load for measurement. I own and ran a 2" Neo Sphere for output. Let me remind you that this is one of the most powerful sphere magnets commercially available. The 2" Neo Sphere consumes alot of power to spin up, and it delivers alot of "highest amperage" power back of all the sphere sizes. I can assure everyone that the 2" Neo Sphere is capable of generating at least 1/2 an amp at 300 volts of r.p.m. just from roughly ball parking an estimate! That's around 150 watts of potential power more or less. The 70 hz audio signal output is in the milliwatts. The COP has to be thousands of times overunity. I know from testing. Everyone can see me spinning a 2" Neo Sphere self looped to the run battery in my videos. The amperage is there behind the 2"er, believe me, and the extreme contrast to the signal output is too obvious to even make note of.

The key to the success of this invention, is the relative "Lenz free nature" of the SB pickup coil. The sine wave powered  2" spinner would stop short from the slightest amount of Lenz Drag. Running the output directly into a charge battery seems to negate the Lenz drag entirely, like Skycollection demonstrated, when he created Lenz drag substituting a resistive light load for the charge battery with the same SB pancake pickup coils in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP-k-AW-ejM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP-k-AW-ejM)

Everyone knows the kind of pressure retrod1 would be placed under if he went public with those kinds of figures. A "Lenz free" synchronous sine wave motor alternator has the potential to replace nuclear fission and fossil fuels. I'm setting out to prove this with a large laboratory upgrade.

Retrod Dave debued the "Sine Wave Synchronous Motor Alternator" for the first time. This was a historic mile mark! I believe his achievement ranks among the greatest.


Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2013, 10:41:10 AM
QuoteEveryone can see me spinning a 2" Neo Sphere self looped in my video.
I'm sorry, I must have missed that, can you please link it again? By "self looped", you mean, of course, that you can disconnect it from all external power sources and it keeps running indefinitely until you turn it off. Right?

You guys are having so much fun with your magnet spinners that I decided to make one. I didn't have a sphere magnet so I used a little NdB disk and made a wire support for it and suspended it over a coil of magnet wire. It spins fine, even on a very low output voltage from my Interstate F43 function generator, and I can keep it in synch until around 100 Hz (6000 RPM, confirmed stroboscopically). With better balancing I'm pretty sure I can get it going even faster.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 26, 2013, 11:15:54 AM
@Tinselkoala,

                      You're already spinning on sine waves. Beautiful! You're out in front with the experiment. Did you run it up by pulse and transition to sine wave? You can charge a battery with a SB pancake output coil "Lenz Free". Why this works is not clearly understood by anyone I've heard from. All we know is that it works. You're poised for a major breakthrough!  I'm willing to transport my "Supersonic" quadfilar spiral setup to your lab. Probably save us both some time and money.
                     
                        I self looped to run battery. The battery's necessary for some unknown reason. I tried to run it shorted and failed. Set a low voltage wraped SB pancake output coil up in close proximity to the spinner. Wire a bridge rectifier on and run the output into a charge battery and calculate a COP1 You already broke retrod's speed record. Looking forward to a new video. You'll be charging free OU with us soon. Congratulations!
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: gauschor on April 26, 2013, 11:44:33 AM
Wow, very interesting approach to drive motors :)
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2013, 03:38:51 PM
I wouldn't get all excited yet   :o

.... I'm just stumbling along with a very crude apparatus, but it's fun to play with. Here's about how far I've gotten so far:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Xrwt-50AA
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: Farmhand on April 26, 2013, 04:23:24 PM
I've got a couple of permanent magnet AC motors, they come from a washing machine water pump. And no they are not shaded pole motors, they have permanent magnets in them but the rotor is enclosed and I haven't cut one open yet. they have a two pole drive coil setup on a shaped "U" core. The coils have a lot of turns though they are for 240 volt AC.

Struck me as odd when I first found them.

Cheers
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 26, 2013, 04:40:37 PM
@Tinselkoala,

                      Your spinning inside a coil core! Fantastic little setup. State of the art! Astonishing to see it start up from stand still and run up so smartly on sine waves alone. The two series coils remind me of Alfcentauro's up to 300k r.p.m. setup. A tiny precision 1/4" ceramic bearing on a 1/8" carbon axel would take you hypersonic. The 10k+ r.p.m you achieve with that crude friction bearing is still very impressive. 200 hz is nearly 3x's retrod's frequency!  Altogether a very exciting series of record breaking feats.

                       The single precision ceramic bearing costs over a hundred dollars. I just let a neo tube ride free on the one self centering bearing. You'd get ten times the speed! Your bearing friction grows overwhelming at top end. There's a picture of the precision ceramic bearing below:
                       
                       My 1/2" Neo Sphere levitates at high speed. The 1/2" P.V.C. coupling could easily be plugged and evacuated by check valve for silent and safe hypersonic speed testing.

                       Tape a couple of tiny SB pancake pickup coils on each end of the twin power coils, and run the output through a FWBR to a charge battery for "Lenz Free" operation, or place a capacitor in series between fast switching diodes and the output coils to catch  "Lenz Free" output that way. Works as good!. You'll probably test close to a few thousand times OU already..

                        The other thing to remember is that the magnet spinner grows measurably more massive with velocity. This can effect spin factors like bearings and axel friction. Your tiny disk spinner drops off at 180 hz, The frictionless spinner would more then likely keep speeding up like Alf's. He never told anyone what he was up too. I think it's pretty obvious now.. The big difference is Alf's tiny cylinder is very petite, practically worthless for any practical output. Your tiny disk should generate some reasonable amount of output power. Alf must be spinning at 6 khz. Still just speaker blowing audio range.


Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 26, 2013, 08:09:02 PM
Conradelectro is spinning a ring magnet at 8400 r.p.m. for .5 Watt. He's trying to get the highest speed for the lowest input. How can his design efficiency compare with the miniscule amount of power TK's sine wave motor uses to hit 10k  r.p.m. ? Another look at Conrad's circuit schematic. He's sporting four power hungery mosfets and a Hall effect transistor!. A half watt is an enormous amount of power compared to the synchronous sine wave motor consumption TK just tested..

Compare Conradelectro's pulse motor circuit to the schematic for a Wien bridge oscillator posted below it. The Wein bridge's good for sine wave generation between 14 hz and 180 hz, around the range TK used to spin up to 10-12k r.p.m. with his Interstate F43 function generator.. This Wien bridge circuit runs off a 9 volt battery for very little. There's no 1/2 Watt going down the drain with this miniature one op amp sine wave circuit! Frequency's adjustable by potentiometer, and the timing's automatic and flawless!
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 27, 2013, 01:01:13 AM
Well, my power input isn't that small.... the F43 is a powerful FG and I have it cranked right up.  I'm uploading a video right now showing some input power measurements.....

The surprising thing is this: I spin the magnet up to the test frequency and show the scope traces from current and voltage input. Then I stick my finger into the motor to stop the magnet. FG setting isn't changed. The spinner draws _more power_ when the magnet isn't spinning.

Think about that one for a while. I think this is the same kind of evidence (sic) that Steorn used in their initial claim of OU performance in their electric Orbo motor.

Video is still uploading but will be at
http://youtu.be/hdqiUOKLTVs (http://youtu.be/hdqiUOKLTVs)
when it's done, probably in an hour or so.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 27, 2013, 01:18:58 AM
After I made that video, I took the thing apart and rebuilt the suspension and got a bit better balance on the rotor magnet. This allowed me to attain a new speed record: 19,800 RPM (over 325 Hz), using square wave drive, confirmed with the StroboTac. The video will take a bit of time to upload, probably won't be ready for a couple of hours.

Input power estimation is a lot more complicated with the squarewave drive, but I've got the F43's output turned right up again. It's not especially small.

Later on I'll play around with pulse width. By cutting the duty cycle the input power can be reduced greatly, I'm sure, but it may not spin as fast before dropping out.

I need to make some small pickup coils, yes. But I don't have any fine wire, the #27 is all I've got. I'll have to see if I can scrounge a relay coil or something like that.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: Farmhand on April 27, 2013, 01:25:45 AM
Tinsel, The spinning magnet must be exerting a counter emf on the coil ?

Synchro, Conrad's magnet that he is spinning is a big one that weighs a bit, it can't be compared to Tinsel's setup,
Conrad's setup can have several generator coils excited by it as well. And his power input is fairly low anyway.

I see not much benefit to spinning just magnets but that's just me, I have nothing at all against it.

But I must say if you think a permanent magnet AC motor is new or novel it is not, they are used in commercial products already, the ones I have
contain quite strong permanent magnets.

I must also say I don't understand why the need for micro power input ? I mean to say we are much more likely to get a gain of a few Watts from a setup that uses tens of whats than we are from a setup that uses MilliWatts. And higher powers make accurate measurements easier.

But I digress the thread is about spinning magnets, I just wanted to say i don't think Conrad's setup can be compared to Tinsels setup.

Cheers


Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 27, 2013, 02:04:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm8Vpxv4Ydw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm8Vpxv4Ydw)

Here is one of alfacentauro1111's videos I remember.  That sphere is really cranking.

Bill
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 27, 2013, 08:46:30 AM
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 27, 2013, 01:01:13 AM
Well, my power input isn't that small.... the F43 is a powerful FG and I have it cranked right up.  I'm uploading a video right now showing some input power measurements.....

The surprising thing is this: I spin the magnet up to the test frequency and show the scope traces from current and voltage input. Then I stick my finger into the motor to stop the magnet. FG setting isn't changed. The spinner draws _more power_ when the magnet isn't spinning.

Think about that one for a while. I think this is the same kind of evidence (sic) that Steorn used in their initial claim of OU performance in their electric Orbo motor.

Video is still uploading but will be at
http://youtu.be/hdqiUOKLTVs (http://youtu.be/hdqiUOKLTVs)
when it's done, probably in an hour or so.

@TK,

You mention in your new video that the coils draw more power when the magnet's not spinning. What happens to the power the spinning magnet generates in the power coils? You state "The spinning magnet is reducing power input to the system". Your rotor's at around 9k r.p.m. What do you imagine might begin to happen at around 25k r.p.m.? You heard me describe my inscrutable experience of sudden burst of acceleration, and apparent disappearance of input draw altogether.  I've had trouble explaining this: The inverse power to speed ratio ultimately results in maximum speed and zero amp draw, and a "Self Powering effect"! Thank you for confirming this relationship between increased speed and decreased amp draw.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 27, 2013, 08:46:55 AM
That's kind of scary....

I am just thinking... it's a good thing I +don't+ have a sphere magnet on hand, I'd probably hurt myself. Spin that sucker so fast the nickel plating comes spalling off, a microsecond before it totally disintegrates and sets the house on fire.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 27, 2013, 08:51:38 AM
Quote from: synchro1 on April 27, 2013, 08:46:30 AM
You mention the coils draw more power when the magnet's not spinning. What happens to the power the spinning magnet generates in the power coils?
I suppose it's dissipated as heat. The waveform when it's driven by the square wave at speed is very interesting, showing a 20 v spike from the drive signal and a nice sinusoid at about 2 volts p-p that is the magnet's participation.

I really don't think this is the same thing as the increase in power that is seen when a commutated DC motor's armature is "stalled". Nor do I think that this motor's RPM is limited by CEMF the way a conventional DC motor is.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 27, 2013, 11:52:46 AM
TinselKoala breaking speed record, 19,800  r.p.m: Getting dangerous!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgMrYPax5dE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgMrYPax5dE)
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: MileHigh on April 27, 2013, 12:29:52 PM
TK:

You can hook your signal generator up to a big old beefy audio amplifier.  Knowing you I am sure you have one lying around.  Or a few visits to the Sally Ann and you might get lucky.  I once found a Harman Kardon late-1970s receiver that was about 110 watts per channel at a garage sale.  The thing weighed about 40 pounds and was a TANK.  It had a monstrous transformer and was high quality all around.

I think the basic dynamics are that the higher frequency you go the higher power you have to pump into the coil.  You have to overcome increasing air friction requiring more torque and more speed.  The coil is the stator for a motor, so it draws power. I am not sure if the increasing impedance of the coil itself comes into play, which we know increases as your drive frequency increases.  If that does come into play, that also requires a higher drive voltage.  Also, there must be increasing counter-EMF generated, so that also demands a higher excitation voltage.

Plotting say five points on a graph of maximum speed vs. excitation voltage would be interesting.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 27, 2013, 08:22:24 PM
Here's Alfacentauro's 300k r.p.m. video again. The reason I'm posting it is because on review, at 38 seconds into the video I noticed a screen posting that reports "5000 hz pure sine", so 5k hz pure sine wave spins at 300k r.p.m. That means the Sphere video posted by Pirate88179, is most likely sine wave driven too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1oFzXOZnE8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1oFzXOZnE8)
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 27, 2013, 08:34:14 PM
Quote from: MileHigh on April 27, 2013, 12:29:52 PM
TK:

You can hook your signal generator up to a big old beefy audio amplifier.  Knowing you I am sure you have one lying around.  Or a few visits to the Sally Ann and you might get lucky.  I once found a Harman Kardon late-1970s receiver that was about 110 watts per channel at a garage sale.  The thing weighed about 40 pounds and was a TANK.  It had a monstrous transformer and was high quality all around.

I think the basic dynamics are that the higher frequency you go the higher power you have to pump into the coil.  You have to overcome increasing air friction requiring more torque and more speed.  The coil is the stator for a motor, so it draws power. I am not sure if the increasing impedance of the coil itself comes into play, which we know increases as your drive frequency increases.  If that does come into play, that also requires a higher drive voltage.  Also, there must be increasing counter-EMF generated, so that also demands a higher excitation voltage.

Plotting say five points on a graph of maximum speed vs. excitation voltage would be interesting.

MileHigh
Yes, you are right about needing higher power for higher speeds, in my setup. Still, there's the finding that stopping the magnet spinning, at whatever input power and frequency, causes the input power to go up. 
At the frequencies we are dealing with....even the 5 kHz of the crazy 300000 rpm sphere.... simply switching a power mosfet or an H-bridge with the FG output will provide plenty of power, no big audio amp is needed. Besides, matching impedances for the output of the audio amp would be problematic.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 27, 2013, 08:36:20 PM
Quote from: synchro1 on April 27, 2013, 08:22:24 PM
Here's Alfacentauro's 300k r.p.m. video again. The reason I'm posting it is because on review, at 38 seconds into the video I noticed a screen posting that reports "5000 hz pure sine", so 5k hz spins at 300k r.p.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1oFzXOZnE8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1oFzXOZnE8)

Doesn't it look like the sphere is nutating or precessing as well as spinning? I think it would be very interesting to do some high-speed or stroboscopic photography of that setup.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 27, 2013, 09:14:15 PM
@TinselKoala,

       Your current setup looks nearly identical to Alfacentauros. I am of the opinion that a bearingless magnet rotor will increase speed more then increased power. Frequency is increasing the speed of your axel rotor up to your present record, not power. Why not just pass a plastic sleeve through the air core and toss an inexpensive miniature cylinder magnet inside like Alfacentauro's for a stroboscopic view? We can see the cylinder rotor levitating in the video.

       Twinbeard speculates that extremely high speed rotating magnets create a vortex in the ether that accounts for his unexplainable output at 40k hz, by Bedini circuit, with a tiny 1/8" neo sphere. That's a mere 2.4 million r.p.m. He's approaching the RF envelope. Perhaps out of range for a sine wave spinner. Evacuating the spin chamber may be necessary to reach the next higher speed range. Alfacentauro reports "Strong wind". It's a mistake to raise power to overcome friction. Be prepared for some extrodinary effects up towards that speed range if you succeed!.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 28, 2013, 12:36:32 AM
TK:

http://www.magnet4less.com/index.php?cPath=1_14&osCsid=a868f027ba7724ab79125c2c77ca7a49 (http://www.magnet4less.com/index.php?cPath=1_14&osCsid=a868f027ba7724ab79125c2c77ca7a49)

This is where i got my sphere neo mags from.  Reasonable prices and good service.  The only problem I ever had with a sphere neo is getting it started.  It has poles and you have to spin it and allow it to position it such that the poles are where you want them to be.  I tried one in a plastic tube and it spun so fast that it ate through the tube and flew across the room and might have hurt someone had they been there.

Good luck and be careful.

Bill
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on April 28, 2013, 08:39:53 AM
@Tinselkoala,

                     A sturdy PVC coupling works best as a spin chamber coil sleeve for a high speed neo sphere. The PVC coupling is practically indestructable and easy to seal. PVC couplings are made from stronger material then the pipe, and sized to fit any diameter coil core.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on May 14, 2013, 10:47:49 PM
Tinselkoala is spinning a magnetic rotor with over 6kv of high voltage current:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrl4_wREFJ8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrl4_wREFJ8)
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 15, 2013, 01:33:23 AM
Yes, I saw that video.  I can't believe that he got a pencil to spin in such a stable manner.  5,000+rpm.  Unreal.  Nice work.

Bill
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: Lakes on May 15, 2013, 03:39:25 AM
I can see a few people wanting to replicate this one :)

Good and interesting stuff Tk.
Title: Re: Spinning magnets with radio waves.
Post by: synchro1 on May 15, 2013, 12:13:19 PM
The "Mendicino" levitating platform is very well suited for a Faraday generator. The pencil point contact is a natural output electrode. An axial polarized magnet disk attached to a larger diameter copper disk and a copper axel cap sleeve that makes contact with the interior hole of the copper disk. Contact brushes for the outside rim of the larger diameter copper disk, complete the generator.

The  real advantage is, the generator disk magnet can double as a levitator on the contact point end. Anticipate high amperage low voltage "Lenz Free" output. Huge contrast to the very high voltage input. COP should be awesome. The amazing feature of Faraday's generator is that the field remains stationary even though the magnet's spinning!

TK's innovative breakthrough is a major achievement. No one has ever powered a motor with static electricity before. The contrast between power voltage and output amperage couldn't be more extremely stark in this kind of  "TK Faraday Levitating Motor Generator" setup! A ball bearing collar around the outside of the copper disk may reduce brush fricion on the disk edge if substituted for contact brush.

Youtube:

TinselKoala . (http://www.youtube.com/user/TinselKoala)              7 hours ago             (http://www.youtube.com/comment?lc=DuE7OBig29GXT6_jRGoosljcqTMZSK0XB0mIwhJiVbM)I'm wondering about eddy currents too. I'm going to try to get a homopolar generator segment going on this thing next.

Starting a new thread for TK. "Mendicino Homopolar".