Dear All,
Can you please suggest me how to publish my invention of a overunity device to public. I am afraid if I publish my invention at overunity web there is a chance that the moderator or others can delete it.so later I can not claim that it is my invention.I want to submit my invention to public in a public domain where it can give me an evidence that it is my invention.
Please suggest
Thank you
Regards
Nixon
Quote from: JEJEHO on May 20, 2013, 06:49:11 AM
Dear All,
Can you please suggest me how to publish my invention of a overunity device to public. I am afraid if I publish my invention at overunity web there is a chance that the moderator or others can delete it.so later I can not claim that it is my invention.I want to submit my invention to public in a public domain where it can give me an evidence that it is my invention.
Please suggest
Thank you
Regards
Nixon
First I would go ahead and publish it here as well as energeticforum.com and any other energy forums (there are many but these two are a couple of the bigger ones). Then get your own web site (very inexpensive - you can get 2 years plus a domain name easily for ~ $70 and there are even free ones if you have low traffic). Also contact Sterling Allen at www.peswiki.com or pureenergysystems.com which is a big energy news site and it's going to be around for a long while I'm sure.
Now having said that this site here is supposed to be for open source info. You can find tons of info here on why open source is the only way your invention will ever get into use and into the publics hands. The official patent office memo is around here in a number of places that makes it quite clear you will never get a patent on an overunity device. They won't allow it, it will be confiscated and buried. If you want to make money from your invention there will be a lot of ways to do so but a patent is not the way to go. This has been discussed at length here and other forums like energeticforum.com so I'm not going to repeat everything here - do the research. Get your info out as fast and far and wide as possible because you are in danger of disappearing if you really have something. I've got 3 documents full of dead and missing energy inventors. The only way to stay safe is to put it all out there as open source.
Hi.
Definitely you will have to search for hosting provider
and the domain name provider.
Then you will install the forum software
on your own hosting account.
Later you will publish your original articles
on the forum of your own
so they could be globally quoted.
Begin with free hosting, free domain name, free forum software.
If you are ready to give a try
then i will PM you the links to the definite providers
of free hosting, free domain name, free forum software -
appropriate, in my opinion,
for the planet of stealing primates.
Quote from: JEJEHO
Dear All,
Can you please suggest me
how to publish my invention of a overunity device to public.
I am afraid if I publish my invention at overunity web
there is a chance that the moderator or others can delete it.
so later I can not claim that it is my invention.
I want to submit my invention to public in a public domain
where it can give me an evidence that it is my invention.
Please suggest
Nixon
@JEJEHO:
I second what gri says: post it here at overunity.com as well as EnergeticForum ( http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/) ) and EnergyScienceForum ( http://www.energyscienceforum.com/alternative-energy-general/ (http://www.energyscienceforum.com/alternative-energy-general/) ).
By releasing it to numerous open-source forums you dramatically increase the chance of it getting duplicated and used world-wide while establishing your claim as "inventor" rather than it simply getting "buried" by the forces that be. . . .
Please be ready to counter the many detractors and nay-sayers who frequent these places. Some appear to visit here simply for the sake of arguing. >:(
Wishing you the best and hope to hear your "news"!.
truesearch
Truesearch, be attentive please.
I am not suggesting to post the original messages
on others' forums.
I am suggesting to spread not more than the global quotes
of the original articles
having been placed at the own forum of invention author.
Quote from: truesearch
I second what gri says:
post it here at overunity.com
as well as EnergeticForum ( http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ )
and EnergyScienceForum ( http://www.energyscienceforum.com/alternative-energy-general/ ).
@gri:
Oops, sorry! That was "e2matrix" who recommend multi-posting across numerous forums.
No offense intended.
truesearch
Quote from: JEJEHO on May 20, 2013, 06:49:11 AM
Dear All,
Can you please suggest me how to publish my invention of a overunity device to public. I am afraid if I publish my invention at overunity web there is a chance that the moderator or others can delete it.
so later I can not claim that it is my invention.I want to submit my invention to public in a public domain where it can give me an evidence that it is my invention.
Please suggest
Thank you
Regards
Nixon
1) Nobody will delete your "invention". If it really is something, many will build it and the word will spread like bush fire.
2) Once you put your "invention" into the "public domain", you have lost control over it. You will not matter any more. It is then completely unimportant who invented it, because it has been given away for free.
I would appreciate that an "invention" is given away (is put in the "public domain"), but you want to be recognised (and may be rewarded), which is a contradiction to putting it into the "public domain".
3) I guess you want to control your "invention" in some way (at least you want to be recognised as inventor). In this case the only way seems to be a patent. The patent application would be enough. Once the patent is filed (with a patent office) you can always proof the filing date, which would constitute some proof that you were the first to write about this "invention". It is then not very important whether the patent will be granted or not. But if you want to commercially exploit your "invention" the "granted patent" will be important.
4) I am 99.999999% convinced that you have nothing to show, just words. Shame on you, in case you are a liar or an idiot.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: gri on May 20, 2013, 12:01:45 PM...
If you are ready to give a try
then i will PM you the links to the definite providers
of free hosting, free domain name, free forum software -
appropriate, in my opinion,
for the planet of stealing primates.
...
@gri, can you, please, reveal your secrets openly to the forum? There are others (me) who would like this kind of info.
Qwert if you are addressing gri about free web hosting, forum software etc. you can Google for that and find lots of them free. The forum software Stefan uses here (SMF) is free along with a number of others. 000webhost.com is a free host and there are lots of others. Free domains aren't too hard to find either unless you want an *****.com but ****.info, maybe ****.********.com and a fair number of less desirable domain suffixes aren't too hard to find free.
Quote from: JEJEHO on May 20, 2013, 06:49:11 AM
Dear All,
Can you please suggest me how to publish my invention of a overunity device to public. I am afraid if I publish my invention at overunity web there is a chance that the moderator or others can delete it.so later I can not claim that it is my invention.I want to submit my invention to public in a public domain where it can give me an evidence that it is my invention.
Please suggest
Thank you
Regards
Nixon
is it open source? post it here:
OpenSourceEnergy.NET (http://hackersclub.net/opensourceenergy)
Dear Conrad,
Thanks for your suggestion.
I want to be recognised as an inventor.
I am a idiot or liar , you can decide later after i publish it.
Anyway thanks for your good suggesition friend
Best Regards
Nixon
Quote from: JEJEHO on May 21, 2013, 02:30:51 AM
A) I want to be recognised as an inventor.
B) I am a idiot or liar , you can decide later after i publish it.
Remark on point A): Recognition is the most difficult thing to get in any society. One has to fight for recognition and many others also want to be recognised for the same thing. Every "good idea" (which some want to call "invention") has many fathers. Nothing is "invented" out of the blue, there always is a technological history and long development of many years behind it. Which part in this "history" is your part? What did you learn from others? What was your contribution?
The moment a technology or "invention" becomes valuable (can be sold easily because people want it) the fight is on. And this usually means that money will be thrown at it, and the "biggest money" will win.
So, whenever you crave for recognition, you are into all the problems that plague the world. The strong wins, the weak looses. The powerful will have their way, the underdogs are sent away. Money will rule and the poor have little chance.
I do not want to lament, this does not make sense, because it is as it is. And in case you want to have "recognition" you have to take into consideration how it is and it does not matter what you wish for.
In order to be "recognised as inventor" you have to go into the patent system or you can try to publish in well established scientific publications.
The patent system is expensive and there is no guarantee that you will get a patent. And in case the "invention" is valuable it will be difficult to defend a patent, because patent litigation is extremely expensive.
The well established scientific publications will nor accept papers about controversial subjects.
But in principle everything is possible, many people get a patent and many people publish in scientific publications. But in my opinion an "OU claim" is ill suited for the patent system and the scientific publication circus, because you will not be "recognised" easily!
Remark on point B): If you make an "OU claim" the first thing that happens is that you are called "idiot" or "liar" or "fraudster". You will have to present extraordinary proof and nobody has succeeded so far in this respect. The more your claim contradicts conventional knowledge the more you will be attacked.
The only way to overcome this natural hurdle is to present very very good proof. And exactly this "very very good proof" is always missing.
And it brings us back to pint A). If you want to be recognised to have done something extraordinary you will have to do something extraordinary. And mostly this "extraordinary" has to be in convincing other people and to be very strong in the fight for "recognition".
Remark on "how could it be done?":In case somebody really has invented an "OU thing" she or he should be a saint. It has to be given away for free, and all "recognition as inventor" and all "will to be rewarded in any way" has to be abandoned. The "inventor" has to consider herself or himself as completely unimportant, like having never existed.
This will make the "recognition game" and the "patent game" completely obsolete and nobody will be able to stop the "idea". People will copy the idea, they will try to take it away from each other, but because it really has been given away for free, the "idea" will march around the world by itself.
And because the world is as it is, this "giving away for free" will never happen. So, keep on trying to be recognise, keep on trying to be rewarded, and you will be recognised and rewarded for what you are. Go to the nearest mirror and look into it, you will see what you are, and you have been and you will be recognised and rewarded for what you are.
Greetings, Conrad
Dear Conrad,
Thanks for your reply.
If I have a OU unit, calling the press and show it to them the working and the way of working will give me a recognition or not?.Is it is a good idea or bad idea.
sorry for asking questions.
Best regards
Nixon
Quote from: JEJEHO on May 22, 2013, 12:48:51 AM
If I have a OU unit, calling the press and show it to them the working and the way of working will give me a recognition or not? Is it a good idea or a bad idea.
Calling the press? Who will come? Will they believe you?
It is the age old "recognition" game. My prediction: almost nobody will come to see your thing, and almost nobody will believe you.
In case that you really have something useful and good, many others will claim that it is their invention. Said in the most simple way, the idea will be stolen from you. Others will exploit your idea to their advantage and you will get nothing.
Whatever you do, it will be difficult to gain recognition and it will be difficult to convince others that you really have something useful. And it will be even more difficult to make money with your invention.
This sounds all very negative. I just tell you what you have to expect. Many people have gotten granted patents, others have published in scientific publications, others go to the press or make presentations, others have written books. How many have been recognised for their OU device?
I tell you a simple truth, nobody has ever been recognised for an OU device. As simple as that. Will you be the first? Chances are, nobody will listen to you. Chances are, you are deceiving yourself.
So what can you do? Whatever you do, the fight will be on. If your "invention" is useful, it will be taken from you. In any case, you personally are the least important part of the whole story.
In my opinion, you should first build many devices which show that your "invention" really works. Build 10 or 100 and hand them over to people who can test them. Publish plans how to build the device on the internet. Try to publish plans in some news papers. Try to make presentations where you show more than one of your devices. Let people freely inspect your devices, hand out plans in the ten thousands.
Even if you do all that, will you be recognised, will people listen? The most likely outcome is that you will be ignored. And if your "invention" is for real, you will loose control of it, others will benefit from it.
Look at the history of all technology which is present today. The original "inventor", the person or persons who started with any technology or science had little gain from it. Only later, when a technology was recognised as being useful, others got the benefit. There are super stars like Einstein or Tesla, but how much was their idea and how much was prepared by others in the past? Tesla died in a cheap hotel room, Einstein tried all his life to "invent" something that makes a lot of money for him (e.g. a refrigerator). He got a nice salary as a professor, but in my opinion his success was important for the politics of his time and not so much because of him personally. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm, not my opinion, but in some way it could be true.) Are you important for the politics of our time?
Look at the transistor. Who has invented the transistor? Bell Labs made the transistor commercially useful, that is all that can be said.
Try whatever you feel you can do, the rest is out of your hands. Do whatever you want, but look around you, be aware of our world, stop dreaming, stop deceiving yourself.
Greetings, Conrad
Dear Conrad,
So much thank full for your advice.
Let GOD decide the rest
Thanks & Regards
Nixon
@JEJEHO
We get asked that question a good many times in a year.
If you want to make sure your idea is yours even if you put it out on open source, which I recommend if you want to both give something of true value to the world (we need it quick) and also make sure you are credited for the idea, try this.
Get all your proofs, materials, docs, videos and put them in printed form and or a combination of printed form and a burned CD, then mail this to yourself by registered mail and never open the mail when you get it. Send a copy to a lawyer or notary or any other person you may know that has any credible status and ask them not to open the document.
Once you have that in hand, you have now a recognized time stamp and should you ever need to fight someone else that is stealing your idea, this is the best proof. Make several copies and send them to more people you know by registered mail.
Then just open source it here by asking the moderator to open up a thread for which you have moderation rights that you can then decide to keep the thread locked for your disclosure requirements and open up a companion thread so @members can discuss it on that thread.
Just know one thing. Justifiably, it will be dissected to its most minute parts in order to qualify it. Some will scoff while others may go into an irrational level of treating you like a God. It all does not matter because that is part and parcel of the process.
The main thing is to know where your invention lies in terms of overall complexity.
a) If it is so simple that a 13 year old can build and use it, then this is the best form.
b) If it requires any specialized building skills like metalworking or other craft related expertise, then this will slow down the propagation of the idea since only those equally specialized can partake.
c) It is requires rocket science level to make it work, this is the hardest ideas because very few will be able to both understand and apply it.
Any of the above can go open source, but the speed at which the idea will expand into the world will be different. You can search this site using my username plus open source or other key words and you will get much more detailed info. hehehe
But if you decide to show it in a badly done video and keep your secret until someone comes along to offer you 20 millions dollars for the idea, then please go somewhere else because you will fail, fail miserably and waste so much of your time and our time. For me, if you do not open source, you do not exist since all the secret keepers in the past have and you will not be any different.
Trying to make money of free energy machine only leads to no money and no free energy. The only way to do business with free energy is anti-business. All the anti-business models are safe. The standard business model where you attract an investor to help you spread the deal will kill it right away because once you have your first investor, you can no longer talk about your device in order to protect the newly agreed investor rights. From that point onwards you are condemned to keep your mouth shut until a major deal is struck but that major deal will never happen.
wattsup
Quote from: wattsup on May 22, 2013, 08:54:36 AM
If you want to make sure your idea is yours even if you put it out on open source, which I recommend if you want to both give something of true value to the world (we need it quick) and also make sure you are credited for the idea, try this.
Get all your proofs, materials, docs, videos and put them in printed form and or a combination of printed form and a burned CD, then mail this to yourself by registered mail and never open the mail when you get it. Send a copy to a lawyer or notary or any other person you may know that has any credible status and ask them not to open the document.
Once you have that in hand, you have now a recognized time stamp and should you ever need to fight someone else that is stealing your idea, this is the best proof. Make several copies and send them to more people you know by registered mail.
Then just open source it here by asking the moderator to open up a thread for which you have moderation rights that you can then decide to keep the thread locked for your disclosure requirements and open up a companion thread so @members can discuss it on that thread.
I do not know what is meant by "put it out on open source". If it means that one has no valid patent protection, it is for sure lost. The person who has "put it out on open source" has no more rights on it.
The silly envelop sent by registered mail will not help to protect an invention. Who cares about who has invented it once it has been "put out on open source".
People, please get it once and for all, if you have no patent you have nothing. And even if you have a patent, it will be taken away from you in case it is really important.
Do you think any military of any country will hesitate one second to exploit OU if they can get it? And nobody will care how they get it. Steeling, killing, every sin is permitted.
Do you think any one powerful can ignore OU if he can just take it?
Do you think any one will give you money for something extremely important if he can just take it?
In case something is really important, every moral issue is thrown out. Patents, prior rights, prior knowledge, all that will not matter any more.
How could you have prevented the Soviet Union, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, Great Britain and France from building an atomic bomb? By sending registered mail to yourself? Stop kidding! Nobody ever doubted that the USA have ignited the first atomic bomb. Everybody else just sent out their spies and built it themselves. And so it happens with all important "inventions".
And if you "put it out on open source", everybody will just take it (in case it is valuable). And if it is important it is a good thing that everybody just takes it. Who cares about the inventor? The inventor has just made a tiny little step in the right direction, 99.9999% of the knowledge necessary to do it he has taken from others.
For all slow people:
- "putting it out on open source" without valid patent protection
- publishing it anywhere without valid patent protection
- showing it around without valid patent protection
just means to give it away for free. And this is exactly what you should do. Because if it is the real OU, it will be taken from you in any case. And if it is a delusion, you will see very soon that you are an idiot.
If you want to be recognised become a rock star, a super sports man, a politician or a religious leader. If you want to make money sell something normal like cars, apples, beans, beautiful whores, potent drugs, and so on.
Greetings, Conrad
this is a good read on Open Source vs Patenting.
see:
http://www.overunity.com/1821/open-source-vs-patenting
@conradelektro
You seem to equate a free energy device (FED) to be the same thing as having invented a new screwdriver or whatever commercial product out there. This is where all guys go very wrong. A FED has nothing to do with any other product in this world. Will your screwdriver change the world? No other product will change the world like the device we are working on and no other way will work to put it out there besides open source. Proof is in the past experiences.
There are only two factors to introduce a FED to the world. How complex is it to replicate and how stupid is the inventor when it comes to dealing with the public.
So far, all we have seen is bad news because guys just want some money, money and always money but the minute that first dollar is taken, the game is already over and the inventor has no other choice but to abdicate his god given intelligence, creativity and good will to the whims of those holding the money. That's where it will die a long and painful death. Just look around you to all these big brains and how they got sucked in by business, greed, irrational expectations, ignorance to the real hardships of any commercial enterprise, etc, etc, etc. I could keep on going for hours like this.
Inventors think with their little OU gadgets they will make billions of dollars, when the reality is that once the device is either disclosed, or kept secret and sold one by one, once the first units hit the market, the original will become obsolete within 6 months MAXIMUM. That is because once the principle of operation is understand, there will be an exponential growth of the usage and if inventors think they want or can control all this with their little company or even with their big fat multi-national corporation, they are very mistaken indeed. There is only one way free energy will grow and that is if it is left free to grow.
So inventors should know that if they talk about a FED device, they will get so much stories of so many money guys telling them "follow me and you will become rich beyond your wildest dreams". This is like putting a nice fat juicy worm in front of a large mouth bass. The inventor will bite on that because he is usually very hungry and yearning for money, but right there is where they make their first and only mistake. The next day they are no longer their own man, but they become a simple commodity that the money guys will control.
So anyways, nuff said.
wattsup
Quote from: Ghost on May 22, 2013, 12:36:19 PM
Open Source vs Patenting.
I might have given the impression, that I am against Open Source.
I just want to make clear that "Open Source" is not a way to protect an invention.
By "protecting an invention" I mean
- being recognised as inventor or
- prohibiting others from exploiting it.
Once something is "Open Source" everybody can use the ideas behind it. Everybody can use an "open sourced idea" to make money without having to give the "original inventor" anything. Who cares about who has presented the idea first, who cares who was the "inventor". There is no law that protects ideas which have been published without patent protection.
There is "Copy Right", but it applies only to "copies" and does not protect you from "reverse engineering". In case you write a book, I can not sell a copy of the book (because of the automatically invoked copy write), but I can take the ideas from your book an do whatever I want. I can in principle write the same story, I just have to spin it differently.
In case of "Open Source Software" it might be prohibited to sell a copy of the code, but because the "source code" is visible, everybody can reverse engineer the ideas in the code. Just by seeing and using a program (even if the source code is not visible) one can reverse engineer it, it just might take more time and effort. You might know how to "disassemble computer code", it is tedious, but it reveals key algorithms.
But we are not talking "computer programs" or "Open Source Software" or "Copy Right", we discuss "inventions" and in particular "OU inventions". We discuss, how to protect ideas. And the only mechanism in place in our society in order to protect ideas (to recognise the inventor and to stop others from making money with it) is the patent system.
The patent system has many draw backs (mainly its high cost, specially in the case of litigation), but it is the only thing in place.
The patent system can not really protect "ideas", it can only protect "specific embodiments of an idea". That might be too complicated for you. It just means that you can only protect a certain way of using the idea. If I find any other way, I can get an other patent.
Therefore it is impossible to patent "scientific discoveries", because one then can use this discovery in millions of ways, and in fact thousands of patents are granted based on a single scientific discovery.
An "OU invention" will typically be a "scientific discovery" and you might be able to protect ten ways of implementing a device based on that discovery, but many others will think of different ways to do it.
I hope this is clear to everybody.
Even if you do not share my view "that for all really important things all protection is in vain", you might be able to see that "a new scientific discovery" can not be protected.
And you might be able to see, that a "good idea" can almost never be protected.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: wattsup on May 22, 2013, 01:08:05 PM
@conradelektro
You seem to equate a free energy device (FED) to be the same thing as having invented a new screwdriver or whatever commercial product out there. This is where all guys go very wrong. A FED has nothing to do with any other product in this world. Will your screwdriver change the world? No other product will change the world like the device we are working on and no other way will work to put it out there besides open source. Proof is in the past experiences.
There are only two factors to introduce a FED to the world. How complex is it to replicate and how stupid is the inventor when it comes to dealing with the public.
So far, all we have seen is bad news because guys just want some money, money and always money but the minute that first dollar is taken, the game is already over and the inventor has no other choice but to abdicate his god given intelligence, creativity and good will to the whims of those holding the money. That's where it will die a long and painful death. Just look around you to all these big brains and how they got sucked in by business, greed, irrational expectations, ignorance to the real hardships of any commercial enterprise, etc, etc, etc. I could keep on going for hours like this.
Inventors think with their little OU gadgets they will make billions of dollars, when the reality is that once the device is either disclosed, or kept secret and sold one by one, once the first units hit the market, the original will become obsolete within 6 months MAXIMUM. That is because once the principle of operation is understand, there will be an exponential growth of the usage and if inventors think they want or can control all this with their little company or even with their big fat multi-national corporation, they are very mistaken indeed. There is only one way free energy will grow and that is if it is left free to grow.
So inventors should know that if they talk about a FED device, they will get so much stories of so many money guys telling them "follow me and you will become rich beyond your wildest dreams". This is like putting a nice fat juicy worm in front of a large mouth bass. The inventor will bite on that because he is usually very hungry and yearning for money, but right there is where they make their first and only mistake. The next day they are no longer their own man, but they become a simple commodity that the money guys will control.
So anyways, nuff said.
wattsup
This is exactly what I said in other words. Sorry, I am probably not expressing myself clear enough.
Yes, a "Free Energy Device" is out of every norm.
Yes, a "Free Energy Device" is very different to a "normal invention".
But in my opinion this applies to every "important invention". I like to present the "atomic bomb" as an example. The "atomic bomb" changed the world, therefore the USA was not able to keep the secret. The same happened to "stealth technology", "radar system", "rocket technology" and many more "defence related inventions" past and present.
I know (by chance encounter with relevant people), that the Russians stole and exactly copied the 64 K Bit ROM, RAM and EPROM chips from Intel and manufactured and sold them in their empire, because it was so important at the time. Many people knew it, but the Russians flatly denied it, even when presented with copies. The Russians more or less said "so what, eat it".
"Giving away a Free Energy Device for free" (or "Open Source it" as many say) has big advantages:
The biggest advantage is that the "inventor" will see very soon whether he was delusional or really has found something. And in all cases so far, the "inventor" would have saved a lot of money and would have spared himself a lot of grief (because it was a delusion).
And in the very improbable case that it is a real "Free Energy Device", the world will be changed. It is even possible that the "inventor" will be recognised (at least by some, or in some regions of the world). But, so what? Who cares, "Free Energy" is beyond everything.
Greetings, Conrad