http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11952-wardenclyffe-teslas-true-intention-17.html#post236394 (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11952-wardenclyffe-teslas-true-intention-17.html#post236394)
Apparently a movie tutorial will be forthcoming.
part one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeHnyg8GqHA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeHnyg8GqHA)
part two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPCQFDriZs0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPCQFDriZs0)
part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7QdPDAfBU&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7QdPDAfBU&feature=youtu.be)
more coming
thx
Chet
PS
I believe the filing is for "release protection" this will be Open source......
Maybe like this??.
Take a look at your expert Ernst's best efforts and explanations here, with dual MOTs at 800 W 10 kV (according to him):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYpYfJe3mNA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYpYfJe3mNA)
And compare that with what I do with a single MOT at under 3 kV, 1 kW input.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJp2gaBuAAA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJp2gaBuAAA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U)
What's the difference? Well.... just look at his Wardenclyffe videos and you'll see that his understanding of what he is doing is... different from mine.
Chet.... you always come up with some winners. This one was claiming a "patent" before he even filed his application! But at least he's got that out of the way now.
ETA: This coil of mine has 12 1/2 inches of winding on the secondary former, compared to four or five feet on Ernst's coils.
another movie update
Vid # 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7QdPDAfBU&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7QdPDAfBU&feature=youtu.be)
thx
Chet
PS
Tin Man ,TK, Thanks for looking
And this coil has only about 220 turns all up in it's secondary and extra coil. Using less than 500 Watts, during that video I think it topped 360 Watts. But the maximum is 650 Watts how it is configured so not quite 1 HP which disappointed me ever so briefly, but I'll get to 1 Kw next time I fire it up. With more precautions against destroying everything around it hehehe. I hope. I still have plenty of computer bits but all my old socket 939 High end gamer boards are toast, dagnamit. :o It has destroyed about 6 computer motherboards that were stored in the white cupboard behind. They are fried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nkJtrKCdFg
And this with less input power around 240 to 260 Watts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y1U1PSmAjQ
My experiments are not all about getting big sparks but some sparks are fun, What I actually want is to get as close as I can to a continuous wave transformer at high power and with no sparks from the terminal, all in good time.
At the moment I am quite ill with medical issues but I hope to, in the future take the power restrictions from the supply circuit and let it rip at full power and with a much faster rotary gap speed. I have plans for a four offset rotor - rotary spark gap with shorting bar design. It will take some engineering and adjustment but will kick ass as spark gap.
I'm calculating up to and over 16 000 BPS, I wonder what it will sound like. ;D
By the way my medical issues have nothing to do with Tesla Type Apparatus. :)
Cheers
He's not really telling us anything, though, is he? In a way, reading the EF thread reminds me a little of UFOPolitics.
I wish Ernst the best of luck, I can tell he's having fun.... but really, he might like to read what the Corums have to say about Tesla coils and power transmission systems and extra magnifying coils and disruptive discharges and all the rest. He might also like to take note that Tesla moved towards low-aspect-ratio (short fat) coils, and the best modern coils are also low-aspect ratio, only tall enough to keep the main discharge from shorting directly to ground along the secondary itself. My own best coils have aspect ratios of 2 or 3 to one, while it looks like Ernst's coils have ARs of six to ten.
The low aspect ratio keeps more of the secondary wire length within the magnetic field of the primary. The flat primary or conical primary is done as a compromise between optimal coupling and high-voltage flashover from the secondary to the primary. A good secondary coil will already have many kV tension at the height of the primary's top windings, so distance away must increase over optimal magnetic coupling so that you don't get flashover, which is dangerous to equipment and life. I think the most extreme setup would be nearly flat, like a pancake secondary coil of many turns within a pancake coil primary of one or two turns only wrapped around the outside. We need better insulation though. Oil immersion and some kind of interwinding dielectric like fish paper might work.
Agreed Tinsel. My extra coil can be raised or lowered to change the coupling between the secondary and extra.
The primary loop is a mere 5 mm from the bottom of the secondary and the secondary is 380 mm diameter.
What I need is a better Torus as well. Bigger and smoother. ;)
I have ten turn tuning coils on the primary and the bottom of the secondary as well as the extra coil height adjustment for more tuning.
Tuning is somewhat important in a tuned resonant transformer. Intermittent sparks at low frequency indicate a high amplitude and highly damped wave. The "Q" factor must be quite low on his setup. mine has a "Q" over 8000 in the oscillating section of the coil. The objective is high "Q" and small damping factor. Want it to ring like a good bell not like a bell caked with mud.
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This is what it looks like when the 50-60 Hz comes through the primary, it's not a good situation.
This is an AC supply with series capacitor circuit with a static gap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Czq0YZOtA
This is a DC supply with resonant charging circuit and rotary gap at about 650 BPS.
THe smaller coil that is arcing is just connected to the ground and placed near the big powered coil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rG_Rfqv6O0
Tinsel how are you preventing the grid powering the primary kinda directly.
Is it the blown break rate or do you have some kind of current limiting ?
It's obviously working well going by the blown gap vid I watched the other day.
Being mostly self educated in this field I have neglected to inform myself if a given bell even has a "Quality factor", but I'm sure they must.
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Is it possible to turn BS into gold by filing a patent? Would be the first time.
I would rather pray for a miracle. That has worked every now and then.
Greetings, Conrad
Is it possible to create an artificial atmosphere? If using giant magnifying glass to turn water to steam and when the steam goes up it will turn into water than water will go down and produce electricity?
Quote from: pulp on August 05, 2013, 02:09:30 PM
Is it possible to create an artificial atmosphere? If using giant magnifying glass to turn water to steam and when the steam goes up it will turn into water than water will go down and produce electricity?
Congratulations! You have invented Hydroelectric Power!
Actually I'm just kidding. Some solar power installations do just what you suggest: they use mirrors or lenses to heat up brine to very hot, then use the hot brine to boil water to steam, and then they use the steam to turn turbines which turn generators.
;)
@Farmhand you are absolutely right about the Q of bells, and your analogy of a mud-caked bell is a great one.
Spending some time on the secondary details, like terminations, smoothness, winding evenness, and coat after coat of insulating varnish will improve the Q of most designs. One mistake that novice coilers make is to terminate the secondary inside the tube form. As I learned, that simply provides a low resistance path inside the coil for the HV to short-out. Many coils that don't seem to be working might just be sparking inside where it can't be seen, due to the terminations through the walls or inside the tube former.
In my coil I don't really have any current limiting in the MOT-DC primary circuit, I just use a big Variac and turn up the input voltage until I see some crazy input current like 10 amps on the clampon. I've blown several fuses in the Variac but now it seems happy with 15A slowblows in there.
The unfiltered, un-de-Q-ed supply from the bridge directly to the primary tank of the coil, with the blown gap, results in a natural break frequency of 120Hz as the DC ripples through its full 3 or 4 kV range at that frequency coming out of the bridge rectifier. You can see this break frequency in my photos: a 1/15 second exposure generally captures 8 individual streamers in a spark.
@Farmhand: I hope you feel better quickly and that the medical issues resolve soon. I know how that stuff goes, no stranger myself.
If you are going for the CW, no-display-spark kind of system, may I suggest SSTC, solid state systems? You will get the effective break rates you need from mosfets or IGBTs and the higher resonant frequencies with smaller coils and high power throughput. The "Slayer Exciter" is one such small SSTC system, auto-resonating and quite capable of broadcasting power throughout a room without the complications of spark discharges from the secondary. My old TinselKoil 2 is another SSTC of a different variety, optimized for power thruput.
A fast rotary gap at high power is a spectacular thing to see though.... I've had a couple of them come apart on me.... hehe, those were the days...wish I had videos of those experiments, but sadly I don't.
ETA: And too bad about those motherboards! I don't operate my coils inside the house any more for similar reasons.
Yeah I have some 1200 volt IGBT's but can't do the board work at the moment. I have got an Armstrong oscillator for the smaller coils in a 12 volt input type setup that works well.
Here is a picture of 1/15 exposure from my coil, it's frequency is too high for CW with a spark gap for sure. Must be getting an arc per break I think.
And the second one is also 1/15 second but it's a strange really smooth discharge, must have been a fairly high BPS.
Photo bucket is playing up, maybe they want me to pay them something. :-[
Ernst Has another movie from the series
here Number 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utFPwae6vVM&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utFPwae6vVM&feature=youtu.be)
thx for looking
Chet
PS
Farmhand I also hope you get better Quick.
That's nice. Had your lunch yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dAQ4c13wdw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dAQ4c13wdw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gSXi3BkkNA
The same basic circuitry with a low-aspect-ratio resonator:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFDjZ_Va9xg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFDjZ_Va9xg)
I guess my point in posting these Tesla coil videos of mine, in response to those of Ernst, is that I think he is making extravagant claims from a position of little knowledge and experience. As I said before, he reminds me a lot of UFOPolitics.
But I wish him good luck. If he really understands what Wardenclyffe was all about.... he might be able to get somewhere. So far, though... well, let's just say he has a long way to go.
The man's first video is one hour.
Can someone provide a thimbnail explanation of what his invention is?
Paul
Ernst's first movie is one minute............
Here is the 5th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDXyv6n_rA&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDXyv6n_rA&feature=youtu.be)
thx
Chet
PS
a comparison at 1.40 ----1.47 comparing regular with "extra crispy" at 1MV +
Ooooh a MegaVolt! Ooooh.... 8)
What's his input power, his primary voltage, his apparatus size and amount of copper? And _cost_ ?
Here's a MegaVolt, my small MOT-DC SGTC sparking across a 33 cm measured interval, from a large toroid to a large plane, not between sharp points. This means that the given sphere gap breakdown value of 33 kV / cm is close to what I am actually getting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTaIj5qLoH0
Please watch in HD ! There are a few nice still shots at the end of the video.
Remember that that coil only has 12 1/2 inches of winding on its secondary former. Not 4-6 feet like Ernst's coils! And it is using a single MOT, 120 VAC input, supplying 3 kV or so DC to the coil primary tank. The wall strikes at around 8:00 are happening at about 36 cm gap (I moved the coil after making the 33 cm measurement). 36 cm x 33 kV/cm = almost 1.2 megavolts. Derate that a bit because of the relatively small toroid... for gap tables to be accurate the gap should be smaller than the electrodes themselves, so big gaps require big electrodes for true accuracy.
Again, I am illustrating these things in the hope that Ernst may continue his studies and improve the performance of his systems. If he really wants to couple to the Wheelworks of Nature... his apparatus has got to be considerably more efficient than what he is showing so far, by a large margin.
You are making me think about assembling my Magnifying Transmitter with Extra Coil. I haven't had that thing up and operating in ten or twelve years. I think I remember where all the parts are. At least I know where the main coils are, and I think I remember seeing the rotary gap / capacitor box a couple years ago....
TK
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You are making me think about assembling my Magnifying Transmitter with Extra Coil. I haven't had that thing up and operating in ten or twelve years. I think I remember where all the parts are. At least I know where the main coils are, and I think I remember seeing the rotary gap / capacitor box a couple years ago....
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Oh why Not?
Just don't Sizzle your nizzle.......... :o
and don't forget your yardstick !!
thx
Chet
Right now I actually don't have a room big enough to operate it in, and if I do it outside, the neighbors are likely to freak out totally. Plus, I have no idea at this point how it would interact with wireless LANs which are all around me now. If I start blasting a couple of kW broadband noise I would probably kill a dozen routers in the first five minutes of operation.
Serious Tesla power transmission systems really should be operated in a full screen room, Faraday cage, or metal garage building until they are tuned precisely.
If folks would read Tesla's notes, they would learn that Wardenclyffe, and his entire idea of power transmission, was to pump it through the earth...not through the air as most are thinking. It is documented. This is possibly one reason why he was interested and actually met with Nathan Stubblefield (Of earth battery fame) because he was doing some very similar stuff here in Kentucky.
I have many great books on Tesla which make this clear and also, there was a good coast to coast show on in the past few weeks that spoke about this very thing. (Probably available on youtube) Energy transmission through the earth was his plan.
Bill
That's right Bill. You hardly ever seen the Wardenclyffe tower's below-ground-level construction, and people working with Tesla coils know that the bottom of the secondary should be connected to a solid Earth ground, but they seldom seem to know why. The Ionosphere is just one of the "plates" of the Schumann resonant cavity, the other is the Earth itself, a boundless source/sink of electrical charge.
Number 6
Part 6: response to reactions from the i-net community. (http://youtu.be/BnuH4gr3pqA)
It would seem Ernst intends to open the mind to some other possibilities.
I suppose a few good measurements for PIN and POUT would suffice to enforce his position.
Chet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrIf29PDXJc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrIf29PDXJc)
I believe this is the Coast show that has a good segment on Tesla. That topic starts after the 1st hour so you can skip ahead if desired.
Bill
Quote from: ramset on August 08, 2013, 09:12:22 AM
Number 6
Part 6: response to reactions from the i-net community. (http://youtu.be/BnuH4gr3pqA)
It would seem Ernst intends to open the mind to some other possibilities.
I suppose a few good measurements for PIN and POUT would suffice to enforce his position.
Chet
In the last part of that video he quotes the various parameters, including his max voltage (but doesn't show how he determined it, no actual measurements) that he gets with his complex apparatus involving all those parts and two MOTS and the rest of it. Then he says, "I know, what I say can not be true". What is he referring to here, his output measurement? His ability to light a little fluorescent bulb?
Then he says, "So please...Prove me wrong!"
So I guess he hasn't watched my videos then. Because I show that an _efficient_ design can apparently outperform his, with an actual measurement that can be justified, of over a megavolt discharge, at much less input than he is using and for a far lower parts count, and no rotary break. I don't even have a 230 volt mains!
So I'm not exactly "proving him wrong"... there is nothing particularly remarkable about getting a megavolt out from 10 kV in, you don't even need VRSWR to do that, you can do it on turns count alone. But if you do take advantage of VRSWR and high Q you can do it with much less input.
But the important part came earlier in the video, where he said he's having fun! That's the main thing. Keep having fun, and look at the Wardenclyffe and Colorado Springs _underground_ parts, if you can find information on them.
Of course he implies at the beginning that he's interested in other things besides making big sparks. That's good, because a good Tesla power transmission system isn't going to be wasting its power in spark or corona display.
All right, I'll share a little secret about why my MOT-DC coil works at all, much less as well as it does. The key is the blown spark gap.
All parts of a Tesla Coil are far more sophisticated than they appear at first glance. You can slap together just about any coil set and get some voltage amplification out of it. Once coilers start understanding VRSWR and how to attain it their coils get better, and with a rotary break they think their coils are working pretty well. But almost all rotary breaks that I see in small coils are not doing their job properly and are power-arcing to some extent instead, reducing the coil's effectiveness from the outset.
The key to rotary break performance is not so much in having the proper break rate, but in attaining proper spark _quenching_ between the breaks. I think a great way to make a rotary break perform well is to use the same kind of blown gap quenching that I used in the MOT-DC, not only for blowing out the spark but also for spinning the rotor! You would then use a "brake" on your break... he he... a brake on the axle to control the speed of the break while you spun and blasted the heck out of the gap with compressed air. The combination of proper BPS and genuine spark quenching will make your coil really rip!
@TinselKoala and all Tesla Coil experts:
According to my humble and rather inexperienced opinion the Slayer-Exciter or Kacher circuit (with a transistor instead of a spark gap) is a very powerful modern versions of the Tesla Coil circuit.
I am talking about a circuit similar to the one attached. One can leave the upper end of the secondary free (no "CFL with parallel capacitor") and has a way to produce long sparks without the hussle of a spark gap. The spark gap was necessary for Tesla because he did not have modern transistors. But today we have very strong and very fast transistors and can work with them.
One could introduce a more clean switching, may be with a second transistor, which would allow to increase the input Voltage from 12 V to may be 24 Volt. May be one can use a MOSFET with a second transistor to switch the Gate cleanly.
Cleaner switching would also allow for more power through the primary (without heating the transistor too much). May be one can feed 100 Ampere through a sturdy primary. The back EMF of the primary could be discharged to ground with a strong Zener-Diode (parallel to Drain/Collector and Source/Emitter) to protect the transistor.
So, may be the experts would go along this rout with me, at least to develop a circuit on paper.
I am not so much interested in "OU or free energy", rather in a moder Tesla Coil circuit which delivers long sparks with a rather low input. Or said differently, I am interested in a very efficient Tesla Coil circuit which transforms most of the input energy into long sparks (and does not wast energy in the rather obsolete spark gap, does not need a motor to turn a rotary spark gab and does not need an air compressor for quenching).
The Slayer Exciter or Kacher circuit driven with batteries also looks a lot safer to me because it has less critical components. The only dangerous High Voltage part would be the secondary. A lot of current through the primary from batteries even at 100 Ampere and 24 Volt can cause burns but no shocks (in case the back EMF of the primary is dissipated to ground).
Greetings, Conrad
@Conrad:
You are right that the Slayer Exciter is a type of Tesla coil. It is "self resonant" in that it oscillates at its natural resonant frequency and even compensates for changes in the local capacitance so it stays "in tune". As your schematic shows, the Exciter and the Joule Thief have essentially the same circuit and work by the same principle.
True Tesla Coils have air-core resonators, that is, non-saturable cores. JTs get their performance with small amounts of wire because of the cores, but the core material also prevents getting to the true Voltage Rise by Standing Wave Resonance that a non-saturable core can achieve.
I've built and demonstrated a Slayer exciter, but better solid-state Tesla coil designs exist that can produce faster rise and fall times in the primary circuit. Just as with spark-gap coils, the transition time in the primary oscillation is the key to high voltage rise in the secondary.
The short fat coil in the photo above is a ClassE SSTC using a single mosfet in a self-triggering circuit reminiscent of a Bedini SGM. For the field map and the CFL photos it is running on 24 v input at about 1.5 amps. The TinselKoil 2 is a more traditional mosfet H-bridge based SSTC clocked by a TL494 pulse-width-modulation motor driver chip, very popular with SSTC builders. It can run on anything from 24 volts from a battery, to 200 VDC from an external supply, but I usually run it on rectified mains power through an isolation transformer and its built in DC rectifier.
Hello ,
although I agree with conradelectro to some extent, a spark-gap has certain characteristics which almost no transitor I know can match.
I will give you here some findings of wesley done some time ago:
http://www.kps.or.kr/home/kor/journal/library/downloadPdf.asp?articleuid=%7B20EB858D-1A4D-4903-8BF1-113BCB3934A4%7D (http://www.kps.or.kr/home/kor/journal/library/downloadPdf.asp?articleuid=%7B20EB858D-1A4D-4903-8BF1-113BCB3934A4%7D)
Wesly posted this link at the Kapanadze-thread page 684, Reply #10245 here for evalutation of sparkgaps:
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/10245/#.UgQWmFJnSuI (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/10245/#.UgQWmFJnSuI)
http://rfierro.ecen.ceat.okstate.edu/summa/notes/SwN/SwN28.pdf (http://rfierro.ecen.ceat.okstate.edu/summa/notes/SwN/SwN28.pdf)
Here a very interesting website of professionals I found. Why are these people put so much effort in this technique ?
http://www.electrotherapymuseum.com/SparkGaps.htm (http://www.electrotherapymuseum.com/SparkGaps.htm)
Heinrich Hertz experimented with spark gaps and UV-Light. Scroll down to the level where the picture of Hertz is and read the paragraph starting here:
"In 1887, Heinrich Hertz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Hertz) observed the photoelectric effect"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect)
Blowing air into spark gaps ... this was known since the works of Hertz in 1887 !
Regards
Kator01
A repost from Ernst at Energetic
From Here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11952-wardenclyffe-teslas-true-intention-19.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11952-wardenclyffe-teslas-true-intention-19.html)
Quote,
Yesterday late, I remembered I forgot an important key to this system: Earth Resonance.
I mentioned it a few times but I did not explain how it works yet.
It is a little bit different from what I thought first, and what I believe anyone would think.
But if you understand these first videos, you are bound to figure it out.
Anyway, this is the second time that I planned a small pause in the video releases and later realised that I should do a bit more. I'll see what I can do today.
Someone from another forum (and probably another reality) is asking how I measure HV.
That is actually a very good question because he is doing it wrong.
Tesla mentions that to obtain streamers from a 38 cm (diameter) polished metal sphere, you need 3 million volts to get enough charge density.
This charge density, of course, depends on the surface of the sphere (4 PI r²) and the charge relates to the voltage and capacitance C = Q/V or Q = C V. The capacitance in pF = 1.111 times the diameter in cm. From this you can determine the required charge density to be 28 nC/cm².
So now you need 1 perfect polished sphere and you can calculate at what voltage streamers will start to appear. With this sphere you can calibrate a Tesla coil, and with that you can test other top-loads that you may have and (at a fixed power level) you can measure arcing distance with these top-loads. At a fixed power level and with a fixed top-load you can say that the arcing distance is relative to the voltage, but increasing the power or sharp edges (or radioactive material or ....) increases this distance for the same voltage.
Streamers, as I said before, are an interesting phenomenon. There is an illusion of movement, but there is none. It is like a glass plate breaking, you can see the break (right word?) growing, giving the illusion of something moving inside the glass. But there is no movement. A sharp edge ionises the air, making it conductive and thus creating a point, a bit further away, from which air will ionise. The point where the electric density is strong enough to ionise the air is moving, creating an ionised path, while loosing energy of course. So the more power you supply the longer your streamers will get and once your streamers hit a metal object a current will start flowing (=discharge).
So there is a bit more to it than just measuring the arcing distance.
In the video where he claims 1.2 MV (36 cm discharge at 1 KW), considering the many sharp edges on his top-load and the 1 KW, my estimate would be closer to 300 KV.
Enough said about that. More interesting things to do. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif))
Ernst.
Well, let Ernst have his fantasies. Of course a large perfectly polished sphere will hold more charge and Telsa's numbers are correct, as usual. So? He has shown no evidence for his voltage claims, and I have. Sphere-to-plane gap tables are available on the internet, and if he thinks my top capacity is too rough to produce a 1 megavolt spark then he should provide some counter evidence -- while at the same time showing that _his_ top capacities might be capable of supporting his claimed voltages.
But whatever dude. I'm gonna "guess" that I might know more about measuring high voltages than he does, but I'm always willing to be corrected... when I'm wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eogpGHFgV6E
I get 300 kv sparks from my better VDG machines, actually measured with proper calibrated equipment, and I get 500 kV sparks from my Bonetti machines, ditto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fWasxYQZZw
But like I said, whatever. Ernst is applying for a Patent! I've never done that. So more "power" to him.
Quote from: Kator01 on August 08, 2013, 06:40:09 PM
Hello ,
although I agree with conradelectro to some extent, a spark-gap has certain characteristics which almost no transitor I know can match.
I will give you here some findings of wesley done some time ago:
http://www.kps.or.kr/home/kor/journal/library/downloadPdf.asp?articleuid=%7B20EB858D-1A4D-4903-8BF1-113BCB3934A4%7D (http://www.kps.or.kr/home/kor/journal/library/downloadPdf.asp?articleuid=%7B20EB858D-1A4D-4903-8BF1-113BCB3934A4%7D)
Wesly posted this link at the Kapanadze-thread page 684, Reply #10245 here for evalutation of sparkgaps:
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/10245/#.UgQWmFJnSuI (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/10245/#.UgQWmFJnSuI)
http://rfierro.ecen.ceat.okstate.edu/summa/notes/SwN/SwN28.pdf (http://rfierro.ecen.ceat.okstate.edu/summa/notes/SwN/SwN28.pdf)
Here a very interesting website of professionals I found. Why are these people put so much effort in this technique ?
http://www.electrotherapymuseum.com/SparkGaps.htm (http://www.electrotherapymuseum.com/SparkGaps.htm)
Heinrich Hertz experimented with spark gaps and UV-Light. Scroll down to the level where the picture of Hertz is and read the paragraph starting here:
"In 1887, Heinrich Hertz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Hertz) observed the photoelectric effect"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect)
Blowing air into spark gaps ... this was known since the works of Hertz in 1887 !
Regards
Kator01
You are right about all of that, of course. For low frequency (large) powerful coils nothing can beat a properly designed spark gap. But semiconductor technology is getting better all the time and there are some IGBT based coils that are pretty spectacular performers. But those things are really expensive.
Proper downstream pulse shaping to give fast rise and fall times to a semiconductor's output waveform can allow good results from cheaper power semiconductors like mosfets.
I never claimed to have "invented" the blown gap! Certainly it has been used from the beginning by people who wished to avoid power arcs in their interruptors. I am surprised that it isn't used more today, though, and I stand by my statement that many existing coils using rotary breaks would see performance increases if they also used blown quenching in addition to fast rotary speeds.
One of the very best spark gaps I have used for 2kW class coils is a five-element fixed gap constructed eighty years ago according to a Tesla design. This thing had heavy nickel disks as the elements and it produced thousands of tiny sparks between the disks and worked an absolute treat. I wish I had it still today. It didn't need blown quenching or rotation, it just quenched itself.
Number 7 in this series,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmE61u2zUkY&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmE61u2zUkY&feature=youtu.be)
Thanks for looking and for all the Comments so far !
Chet
Here I have a comment form One of O.U.R. friends who is replicating /experimenting with Ernst's work.
Quote,
Really interesting developments with regard to Ernst's series of videos. It's a series which I fully support, for spreading awareness and regaining a focus on the methods - at the least.
In my opinion, Wardenclyffe was every bit the magnifying transmitter, or could have easily become one with just 1 change and i'll explain why.
With reference to the 5th vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDXyv6n_rA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDXyv6n_rA) (Preview)
0:19 - Tesla's magnifying transmitter
0:32 - Le is wound backwards to the coil underneath, called Ls
Regarding the Patent drawing for Wardenclyffe (attached), the huge pole thing rising up the middle could as easily be the coil Le !!!
Within Ernst's videos he describes how the top load should be huge for a magnifying transmitter and, that shuttlecock looking thing on Long Island sports the perfect example of one.
With reference to the drawing:
C is the Primary
G is the condenser value (capacitor) across it
A is the Secondary
E is the Ground connection from the Secondary to the actual Earth (see Colorado Springs notes and quote "In this system that I have invented, it is necessary for the machine to get a grip of the Earth").
B leads out from the Secondary to join with B'
P is the topload
B also sits within the magnetic fields of A, similar to how the densest flux of a bifilar pancake coil is contained right in the very middle. That lower positioning within the field of the Primary limits breakout from any miscalculated experiment.
A backwards wound B' would be the key to the understanding of it and the flux field that contains coil A has also to be understood, for the importance it also has.
B' is always taken to be a metal pole and indeed Tesla makes mention heavily of the need to limit arcing, through such measures as the hood - but not everything in a Patent is there, or people would copy it blindly. In this case, the fine gauge windings of a reverse wound B' may have given way to a tall shiny thing, resembling a pole dancers tool of her trade. By being a counter wound coil instead, there would be a nullification of the energies promoting electrical break out, in common with the properties of a Caduceus coil node point. Try to draw a finely wound coil of tall sizing and see if it doesn't end up looking like B'.
For evidence of the down playing of certain features of the Patented tower design (Pat: 1,111,732), one only needs to witness the tiny box of an earthing point shown from the Secondary !
Quote from: ramset on August 10, 2013, 09:10:14 AM
Here I have a comment form One of O.U.R. friends who is replicating /experimenting with Ernst's work.
..........
@ramset:
Since you seem to be in the know, could you explain in a few clear sentences what Ernst is claiming?
Is he claiming OU? (More power out than he puts in?)
Is he claiming energy from somewhere? (E.g. energy from the earth, from the ether or from the electromagnet field around the earth?)
We get a lot of teaching and claiming, but what is it all about in essence?
So, I am not asking for disclosure (my god, I do not want to take away the greatest invention since the wheel from anyone). I am asking for a clear statement of what Ernst thinks he can achieve and what one could do with this alleged achievement.
Well, later, once we are allowed to see the famous Ernst-Patent, I might be so bad as to ask for proof. But right know I would be content to understand why it should be worth while to wait for publication of the Ernst-Patent. What goodies will it give to the world?
Greetings, Conrad
Conrad
I am not sure where the Angst and vitriol come from or where the "BS" or other disrespectful
comments have a place here...
Now you want to know the Claims .... the way you have been commenting I would of thought you had a copy of the patent in front of you?
You come along with a punch in the face greeting and then ask "I'm sorry what did you say"?
I'm a bit Cranky over this At the moment....
thx
Chet
Quote from: conradelektro on August 08, 2013, 03:40:08 PM
@TinselKoala and all Tesla Coil experts:
According to my humble and rather inexperienced opinion the Slayer-Exciter or Kacher circuit (with a transistor instead of a spark gap) is a very powerful modern versions of the Tesla Coil circuit.
I am talking about a circuit similar to the one attached. One can leave the upper end of the secondary free (no "CFL with parallel capacitor") and has a way to produce long sparks without the hussle of a spark gap. The spark gap was necessary for Tesla because he did not have modern transistors. But today we have very strong and very fast transistors and can work with them.
One could introduce a more clean switching, may be with a second transistor, which would allow to increase the input Voltage from 12 V to may be 24 Volt. May be one can use a MOSFET with a second transistor to switch the Gate cleanly.
Cleaner switching would also allow for more power through the primary (without heating the transistor too much). May be one can feed 100 Ampere through a sturdy primary. The back EMF of the primary could be discharged to ground with a strong Zener-Diode (parallel to Drain/Collector and Source/Emitter) to protect the transistor.
So, may be the experts would go along this rout with me, at least to develop a circuit on paper.
I am not so much interested in "OU or free energy", rather in a moder Tesla Coil circuit which delivers long sparks with a rather low input. Or said differently, I am interested in a very efficient Tesla Coil circuit which transforms most of the input energy into long sparks (and does not wast energy in the rather obsolete spark gap, does not need a motor to turn a rotary spark gab and does not need an air compressor for quenching).
The Slayer Exciter or Kacher circuit driven with batteries also looks a lot safer to me because it has less critical components. The only dangerous High Voltage part would be the secondary. A lot of current through the primary from batteries even at 100 Ampere and 24 Volt can cause burns but no shocks (in case the back EMF of the primary is dissipated to ground).
Greetings, Conrad
Hi Conrad, I made an Armstrong Oscillator which is a kind of feedback oscillator,
but I was looking for a small input while creating good resonance so I could
conduct certain experiments. I'm not answering because I think I am an expert or anything,
as I certainly don;t claim to be or think I am. I just thought it could help a bit.
I agree with Tinsel on most things, and I support Ernst's efforts.
This is the first successful "resonant" feedback oscillator I built, it works ok but is fiddly
it took some tuning to get it to work as it did and it was still not exactly as it should have been.
Also it uses just one low side mosfet. A half or full bridge is much better I think.
The problem I found with the Kacher was the transistor heating because of not exactly "proper" switching.
At frequencies over 1 Mhz I had problems with my mosfet driver chip getting quite warm to hot.
Not sure why but at some times there was erroneous oscillations in the drive circuit, which may have caused that.
With more experience or time I could have sorted it.
This is a video of the oscillator using about 3 Watts but producing some fairly good effects on a couple of receiver transformers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJd8TNC75AI
And the schematic is below, which can't really be just copied, the value's need to suit the transformer and such ect.
It might help with some parts of designing or modifying your own circuit.
Everything is still here and workable, but not set up the circuit produces quite impressive voltages on the primary,
it can get to over 150 volts peak to peak on the primary, and I did have a video showing the primary oscillating power measurement which was
kinda ridiculous it was so much. Cant remember exactly but it was a lot. Something like 45V RMS and 5 amps of RMS current, I think from memory or about 220 Watts of oscillating power or "Activity".
I can't seem to find the video.
You can see with little load the uA meter (dodgy field indicator) shows a medium value near the oscillator, but that drops when the receivers are loaded.
It does easily pin the uA meter if it is placed in the correct place.
I did some figures with the Spark gap coil and with 15 pF charged to 150 000 volts 750 000 times a second.
I used the charge in a capacitor app (electronics assistant) to get a value of 0.168 Joules x 750000 = 126000 Joules per second of "Activity". With less than 500 watts input, more like 380 Watts. I guess the 126000 joules per second could be considered as Watts of oscillating power or HP if divided by about 750 so, about 168 HP with 1/2 HP input.
These are kind of conservative figures, theoretically if the charge did not leak off my Spark Gap coil could develop voltages from a transformation rate of about 1:220 with 8000 volts input of 1.76 Million volts even without resonant rise.
If I do the figures for the oscillating energy in the ( secondary-extra- top load ) it shows how different the two methods are as in where the power oscillates.
With the small transformer driven by the Armstrong oscillator it has a transformation ratio of only 1:39 or so, then if the terminal capacity is 25 pF and the Frequency is 900 Kc and being a continuous wave transformer it gets resonant rise so if only the 12 volt input was oscillating in the primary the transformation rate would make 468 volts the terminal gets charged to. If the 45 volts is oscillating in the primary then that makes 1700 volts the terminal gets charged to. so if I take 1000 volts and 25 pF I get 0.0000125 Joules 900000 times per second which is 11.25 Joules per second of activity, or it could maybe be classed as 11.25 Watts of power oscillating in the secondary oscillating circuit. But there is much more oscillating in the much lower resistance primary circuit to make it happen. and only a few Watts input. :)
My spark gap coil primary does not have a residual resonant action it's open circuited unless the spark gap is conducting so there is no real oscillating energy in it's primary.
It's shock exciter to the to the secondary oscillating circuit. Where the Armstrong oscillator is more like a wave excitement of the secondary oscillating circuit.
I don't think any proper power transmissions can be done without the continuous wave transformer characteristic and the primary "tank" to allow for reactive power to return to the tank.
I found the Karcher I made only worked at a lower harmonic of my transformer frequency, so I didn't like that much, that's ok with small loads but a heavy load will damp the free oscillations, whereas with a continuous wave transformer there is power in every oscillation, no free ringing. But lots of powerful resonant rise when no load or "when tuned to an appropriate load"..
I also think HV shock excitement of Tesla coils at certain frequencies can be detrimental to health. No way on gods green Earth will I ever allow the discharge from the Spark gap coil to conduct through my body, not on your nelly. The reason being that when loaded the actual input and to a degree the output frequency is that of the Break rate not that of the transformer. And 200000 volts at 400-800 Hz will cause damage. I'll bet my lefty on that. It likely would not cause death in the way that touching the primary coil would, but it still would not feel very nice. :o
We must remember to be very extra careful with high voltage and powers, especially when working alone. I have a routine I never part from to ensure my life continues after the experiment ends. It's the PFC caps at 240 v and the 240 Mains, as well as the primary voltage, current and capacitance that I see as the most lethal area's. I have been bitten by the 240 mains and did survive somehow many years ago and I did also get bitten by a series of discharges 2 nF at 4000 volts which gave me a good thumping. Won't happen again though. :-[ I felt pretty stupid after that one. Even though it made me smarter. :P
Cheers
Can somebody explain to me why Ernst says that the full explanation was given with that vid nr 5 ?
It isn't complete at all in my opinion. This is not the way to get immortal the way Eric Dollard is.
If mr. Tesla, who was all for humanity, would meet the two, who would he prefer ? Haven't we been
teased and fooled around enough with ? Most of us live in pain. Did anyone see new facts ?
I certainly didn't. Eric Dollard gets a book out soon. Again he will be the one to help us it seems. :'(
Matt 6:24, Luke 16:13[/size]
@Farmhand: Thank you for publishing your Armstrong Oscillator. This is exactly what I am looking for. It will take me some time to understand it, but I will try hard.
Greetings, Conrad
@Ramset (Chet) and Ernst:
I want to defend my opinion that Ernst is handing out BS by going through his Video 7 and making remarks aboot its contents.
(Ernst-Video 7: www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmE61u2zUkY )
Earth Resonance What could Tesla mean by that?
This is how the NASA sees it, it is called Schumann resonance.
That really has very little to do with Tesla's work.
... if an impulse would travel through the centre of the Earth to the other side and back ..
and if we add new impulses at the right moment ...
This impulse gains energy
this is what resonance is all about
(see Tesla's article from 24/12/1909)
[Remark: the Earth resonance theory and the "magnification" of an impulse through the earth is a neat concept but never has been proven. It is pure conjecture! It would need a lot of experiments and many reproduceable measurements to make this an accepted theory. To present this as an accepted fact is BS.]
This gives us a frequency of 11.78 Hz.
using this as a spark gap frequency, with a good ground connection and at least a few 100 Watts ..
You may establish resonance.
[Remark: This is conjecture, Tesla's earth resonance is not an established fact. To pronounce this as fact is BS.]
Spark Gap?
But the working frequency of a Tesla coil may be 400 KHz
that gives us 800,000 polarity changes per sec.
Correct. But What did Tesla say in his article of May 20th 1891?
There is only 1 electricity, not two. Just as there is only 1 pressure.
And that changes this:
Into this: the spark Gap frequency
And this already unusual voltage rise
Into this: even higher voltage and more current
[Remark: the pressure and electricity duality is an unproven conjecture and to present this as fact is BS.]
Tesla planned to run Wardenclyffe on a 200 KW generator and to distribute 10,000 HP (= 7.46 MW). 37 times more power out than in ... (please do check his writings)
I believe Tesla would have pulled it off.
[Remark: one can believe whatever one wants, but to present a believe as fact without proof is BS.]
This concludes the power generation part of Wardenclyffe. Then there is distribution and messaging.
Distribution I will explain next.
I have not yet figured out the messaging details.
[Remark: the "power generation part" has not been proven or clearly presented in any way by Ernst. Only some wild speculations have been presented in a cryptic way, this is BS.]
I repeat my simple questions:
Is Ernst claiming OU? (More power out than he puts in?)
Is Ernst claiming energy from somewhere? (E.g. energy from the earth, from the ether or from the electromagnet field around the earth?)
I would like to know precisely what Ernst claims so that we can check the validity of his claims once his patent is out. So far we only get BS (wild conjectures, wild believes, wild assertions as to having discovered something new, no proof whatsoever, no measurements whatsoever).
Greetings from an insulted Conrad
P.S.: The seven Ernst-Videos insult the little intelligence and mind power I have left. My gut reaction is to call it BS. There is no "Angst" (fear), only "Wut" (anger) about the aloof way Ernst presents wild speculations as fact and his high handed way of presenting himself as some sort of teacher.
Conrad:
Very well stated Sir. That was an accurate summation in my opinion, for whatever that is worth.
Bill
Conrad
your First post in this thread we were at Vid number 3
Quote
""Is it possible to turn BS into gold by filing a patent?""
I suppose your use of the term "BS" in your first post completely surprised me
we were up to vid number 3 at that time.[now you dissect #7 with a BS prefix].
If I have offended you by calling your cussing inappropriate so be it.
Perhaps we come from a different culture ,I always try to behave in these forums the same as I would if I were in the room with the other fellow and his Wife or Child.[who could very well be reading]
And I always try to treat others the way that I would expect to be treated.
It seems This "News" has touched some nerves ,I had hoped to ask Ernst for some more info
and explanation on some of these points.
I personally appreciate anyone willing to open source their work ,and I would have expected Ernst to answer Civil questions on his work in a Civil way,it would have been much better than this approach!
thx
Chet
PS
I am intrigued By Ernst's work and greatful for his efforts like yourself and others here
we just don't Know How Tesla did what he did.....
We Will !!
Quote from: ramset on August 11, 2013, 03:29:47 PM
Conrad
your First post in this thread we were at Vid number 3
Quote
""Is it possible to turn BS into gold by filing a patent?""
I suppose your use of the term "BS" in your first post completely surprised me
we were up to vid number 3 at that time.[now you dissect #7 with a BS prefix].
If I have offended you by calling your cussing inappropriate so be it.
The term BS in my first post was based on the ravings of Ernst in http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11952-wardenclyffe-teslas-true-intention-17.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11952-wardenclyffe-teslas-true-intention-17.html) and on the videos up till then. I refuse to go through every utterance of Ernst, my remarks about Video 7 are an example which should suffice to make my point.
You did not offend me. Ernst's teaching style and his unfounded assumptions offend me.
Well, I tend to be emotional in the face of BS. Everybody has his shortcomings.
I come from a culture where it is allowed to call BS by its name. Also children and nice old ladies do that. May be in a nicer way than I do.
I now admit to a bad habit: I sit at my PC and read OU-forums. Every now an then I cry out loud "Mann, das ist doch Scheiße!". But then I find something interesting and will be rewarded for wading through tons of nonsense or BS.
Why is it, that everybody has to be well behaved while the people who make the most outrageous and egomaniac claims can offend to their hearts content. You know, it is extremely offensive to claim something extraordinary without proof. It means that the reader or counterpart in a discussion is assumed to be stupid. Well, I am only slightly stupid, so please take that into consideration when you say something outlandish to me. I can spot embellishments and boasts quite easily. One learns that already in kindergarten and our modern society hones these skills every day.
Yes, I write too much. Sorry, I will now wait till I can spot something tangible in this thread.
Greetings, Conrad
Conrad
May be its time for a group Hug......? :o
AnyHoo, I will reach out For Ernst and See if he can address some of the points highlighted in this thread.
thx
Chet
Quote from: ramset on August 11, 2013, 04:18:47 PM
Conrad
May be its time for a group Hug......? :o
AnyHoo, I will reach out For Ernst and See if he can address some of the points highlighted in this thread.
thx
Chet
Hug, hug, hug, ...
Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa ...
I have knelt down and begged for forgiveness ...
Greetings, Conrad
We're Not allowed to Kneel before men here [House rules].
Have a good Day Conrad.
thx
Chet
I overcame my sadness a bit. My and the mistake of others is that we can't imagine how far Tesla was ahead of his time ! <
I agree to dismiss video 7 but video 5 is valuable after 5 minutes of my thoughts. What is shown here is a regenerative oscillator. Very bold for that time but nevertheless it looks to be one. Such a spark is not possible with only 800 watts input. ???
But what is needed to get immortal is a bolder video. An example, it starts with a perfect title, like 'Powering a t.v. with a penlite battery'. Total b.s. offcourse but the guy got over 2 million hits with that video. Eric Dollard also made a catchy video first, what got him famous. The rest goes automatic these days. Thumbs up Ernst.
Do you think it is the solution ? Well....http://www.safehaven.com/article/30615/spain-levies-consumption-tax-on-sunlight (http://www.safehaven.com/article/30615/spain-levies-consumption-tax-on-sunlight)
Chet how are you doing ? Got light yet ? If Tesla spend one year with six assistants to get it workin how are we supposed to do it with that schematic ?
What is that run and stop movement of that Ernst all the time ? What kind of teacher is that ?
QuoteSuch a spark is not possible with only 800 watts input.
Of course it is.
Eniac5State
Sir I suppose you could imagine how much effort has gone into what Ernst is Sharing?
And I suppose You could imagine how much Energy it might take to get the Planets attention and a reasonable reponce in a system designed to work that way [the planet
and "Surrounds" being an integral part ].
For the Flea to steer the Elephant would take much more than strong desire........
Ernst hasn't gone anywhere ,He just doesn't have all those "assistants" ....takes a bit of time !
thx
Chet
More news from Ernst
http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/500181-tesla-s-ether-theories-and-longitudinal-waves-explained-in-wardenclyffe (http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/500181-tesla-s-ether-theories-and-longitudinal-waves-explained-in-wardenclyffe)
lamare is discussing things with Ernst in above link [Lamare topic link here below and Energetic link below below]
https://overunity.com/18612/theoretical-experimental-progress-on-aether-theory-teslas-longitudinal-waves/msg550093/#msg550093 (https://overunity.com/18612/theoretical-experimental-progress-on-aether-theory-teslas-longitudinal-waves/msg550093/#msg550093)
http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/500167-theoretical-and-experimental-progress-on-aether-theory-and-tesla-s-longitudinal-waves (http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/500167-theoretical-and-experimental-progress-on-aether-theory-and-tesla-s-longitudinal-waves)
IMO some interesting comments from Ernst and friends
http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/500181-tesla-s-ether-theories-and-longitudinal-waves-explained-in-wardenclyffe/page3#post500455 (http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/500181-tesla-s-ether-theories-and-longitudinal-waves-explained-in-wardenclyffe/page3#post500455)
Quote from: ramset on September 22, 2020, 06:18:39 PM
IMO some interesting comments from Ernst and friends
http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/500181-tesla-s-ether-theories-and-longitudinal-waves-explained-in-wardenclyffe/page3#post500455 (http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/500181-tesla-s-ether-theories-and-longitudinal-waves-explained-in-wardenclyffe/page3#post500455)
THE importance of being ERNEST !
AG ,, I do not get this warning ?
I know that Aaron forum was recently hacked a few times ,I can send note to Ernst about this and ask why this malware protection warns or tries to stop access or comes up in UK ?
thanks
link again to Topic
http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/500181-tesla-s-ether-theories-and-longitudinal-waves-explained-in-wardenclyffe/page4#post500455
More builder info for experiments
http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/500181-tesla-s-ether-theories-and-longitudinal-waves-explained-in-wardenclyffe/page5#post500628 (http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/500181-tesla-s-ether-theories-and-longitudinal-waves-explained-in-wardenclyffe/page5#post500628)
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