Attraction sticks, repulsion does NOT stick. Placing magnets on FLEXible rods on a clock face with all one field (let us say north facing outward) facing outward will build a base for us to prototype upon. Then you can place north facing magnets from the 6:60 to 11:30 outer side to drive the magnets on the inner wheel (mounted on flex rods) towards the center or the circle. And as well place and arrangement of magnets inner the 12:30 to 5:30 circle of magnets on the original circle of flex rod mounted magnets to repulse the south poles to the outer area of the circle. This will drive the inner circle into imbalance and the wheel will seek balance using gravity. This sounds complicated yet it is NOT I do need someone developed in CaD to draw and post it. I have been gravely ill yet tomorrow I should be released from the hospital to enjoy my life again. This is a working theorem and should be proven with prototyping. And a big hello to Dave Lambright for all his video work showing the movement of particles magnetically .
@Hope:
I've read your explanation several times but I'm having difficulty in exactly comprehending what you envision ~ sorry. :-[
Wishing you the best with your health situation.
truesearch
Having errors galore trying to post answers to all your PM's. Keep losing the connection. I just got out of the hospital yesterday and I can see I will have to draw this out to make it intelligible. BUT the main idea is to flex the magnets on one side inward and the other outward. Inward is simple using an outer "like" field, the outward flex will have to be pushed from the inside of the disk that spins.
I am trying for the third time to post a sketch of this system without it working.
It is in a JPG format at 200 dots per inch on a normal sheet of printer paper size wise it a 1.34 MB file.
Ok, finally I have it loaded. But it is in downloads section under Imbalanced Magnetic Wheel.
Quote from: Hope on August 10, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Ok, finally I have it loaded. But it is in downloads section under Imbalanced Magnetic Wheel.
http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/537/ this link will get you the drawing.
Sorry, But it looks like "CLEAR AS MUD" to me. LOL
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Quote from: Hope on August 10, 2013, 09:50:55 PM
http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/537/ (http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/537/) this link will get you the drawing.
Ok 5th try hope this cropped version works:
I think I know what you mean Hope. :) Interesting idea. I think the confusion comes from the way you drew the flexing magnets.
Do you mind if I try to make a drawing so you can see if I understand you. ;) I think I can do it.
I must go to be repaired in the hospital as well, I get my assessment on wednesday,
with any luck I won't need an operation. Good to hear you are back into life.
I should be back in no time I just need a few screws and a new disc in my neck. :-\
Usually a quick fix. I think I can make a drawing and then you will see if I "get" you then.
Maybe it could be done with a slightly different way to "move" or flex the rods/magnets.
Flexing may well be best though, when I think about it.
Wishing a good recovery for you.
Cheers
Any contribution is quite welcome Farmhand, thank you. I did consider to place the magnets on joints that shifted but opted for a simple prototype design. My double magnet circle showed it did add the weight correctly with flexing rods.
The power can be scaleable and plotted with existing formulas, which is of course due to the wheel following the known laws of physics. The only twist is using magnetic fields to cause physical movement and a continuing imbalance of the device.
The parts marked "base C and base D" do not touch the disk which spins clockwise. This disk can be made to turn counterclockwise with a simple rearrangement of the base mounted magnets.
Yep by your last two post's it sounds like what I'm seeing. Looks like it I mean to say, I've always thought there would be a way to make a wheel spin by itself.
Maybe you have found it. ;) I even have some plastic wheels I can use to try it out, as well as quite a few small but strong magnets. Hope it works for me.
Did you go under general anesthetic ? That is the part I hate, handing over my consciousness. Scary if you're not mentally prepared I reckon, who knows maybe if we're lucky when under we come back with new revelations. ;D
Anyway I'll try to draw it different so then, we'll know for sure if I've got you're thinking. It'll be a hand drawing but i'll find some circles to draw around.
Cheers
P.S. It might take some hours. And on a side note any wheel that will spin at even a reasonable speed could be used for driving a Van de Graff machine or some other static machine, then there is very little drag and a HV output.
Hi Hope, I made a drawing on the left close to the same as the bottom drawing of yours, and another from the side to show the rods and wheel support, with the side view I only drew some rods to make the drawing more clear to see, was the intention. As well as a single rod and magnet. I have small neo cylinder magnets so I drew a one.
I think the idea is that the left side big magnet pushes inwards the magnets on the rods which flex and shift weight inwards on the left side,
and the right hand big magnet pushes the magnets and flexes the rods to shift weight outwards on the right side. to create a unbalanced wheel.
But I think the trick to it will be to get the rods to flex enough and make the magnets "swing out" past the neutral point when they leave the influence of the left side big magnet,
Then while still "out" the magnets enter the influence of the big right magnet without needing to be actually pushed out, they would only need to be held out by the big magnet kind of thing, and the same at the bottom but from out to in. :) kinda like each rod is a pendulum when it leaves one magnet it swings out or in then just gets held there by the other magnet, the off balance does the rest. Maybe need a push to start it. It would have a speed but could be adjustable to vary optimum speed maybe. Worth a shot I think. I think the idea has some merit.
EDIT: Actually I was thinking it might be best to reverse the polarity or something so that the top magnet swings down then the bottom magnet would swing down as well and gravity could then aid the swing of the rod as well but I don't think that is possible. dunno,
I guess the main thing is - Do I get your meaning do you think ?
Cheers
Yes it looks like you understand the principle. An important note is that all the flex rods are all forced the same direction. If repulsed to the right as the disk is facing you the unit spins clockwise. If repulsed all left the spin will be counterclockwise. I like the ease at which the unit can be driven forward or backwards. Placing magnets on the rear of the disk will make it simple to build a direct drive generator. I was thinking perhaps this unit is only useable in a gravity field, but really there is gravity everywhere to some degree.
Thank you Farmhand for your great efforts. (My situation in the hospital was that the thyroid was burning out my heart by making it beat fast and hard.)
A physics teacher has modeled the flex and shown it to cause an increase in weight towards the outer edge. So simple, yet it took so long to arrange the all the pieces into a device we could all build and use.
Unfortunately, that's about all I can do just for now I have to travel a long way to see the surgeon.
So I may not post again for some days. But I'll be thinking. ;D
Keep Well
@Hope:
Ok, thanks to Farmhand's drawings (and your preliminary ones) it's alot more clear to me what you where describing.
In reviewing the conceptional drawing it "seems" like there might be a "sticky-point" at the 6:00 o-clock point where the north-pole flexible mounted magnetic is being forced into the north-pole field of the outside-statically positioned magnets. There are 2 opposing "forces" that would need to be overcome by the offset-gravity push: the North-to-North magnetic repulsion (which would cause the flexible rods to bend); and the flexible rod wanting to return to their "relaxed" state. I suppose the only way to REALLY tell will be if someone has the resources and ability to construct a prototype.
I like to idea and hope it works. :)
Thanks for sharing your idea!
truesearch
Hi Truesearch, The sticky point issue has been noted and at least one way to overcome it is mentioned. Did you notice the part of my post where I said the pendulum effect of the rods could help if the device is "Tuned". The same is true for the bottom as for the top. The same swing out/in effect is intended to occur at both the top and the bottom of the wheel. (at least for my attempt)
Quote from: Farmhand on August 11, 2013, 08:47:00 AM
But I think the trick to it will be to get the rods to flex enough and make the magnets "swing out" past the neutral point when they leave the influence of the left side big magnet,
Then while still "out" the magnets enter the influence of the big right magnet without needing to be actually pushed out, they would only need to be held out by the big magnet kind of thing, and the same at the bottom but from out to in. :) kinda like each rod is a pendulum when it leaves one magnet it swings out or in then just gets held there by the other magnet, the off balance does the rest. Maybe need a push to start it. It would have a speed but could be adjustable to vary optimum speed maybe. Worth a shot I think. I think the idea has some merit.
Cheers
P.S. From memory a similar effect or device was discussed at Heretical Builders but certainly the one discussed there was not the same as this device. I can't say I have seen a device just like Hopes as yet. The only thing similar I can think of is the, "wave form making device" used for teaching, it has a single flexible rod "length-ways" with a lot of horizontal rods with a weight on each end, it works by if one rod is upset a wave motion is begun. The devices last a long time but are just for teaching the wave motion effects.
I'll post a link if I can find it. :) If anyone else knows of the mechanical wave machine I am writing about and can find a picture or video please post a link.
I can't say if Hope already thought of the effect I mention and even if he didn't yet it would have come to him anyway, so just for the sake of saying, this is Hopes Wheel. I take no credit, I'm just interested.
It would need a push to start it I think so as to have some initial input kinetic energy to work with.
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@Farmhand:
I appreciate and respect your input ~ sorry I had overlooked your observation posted earlier.
In considering the concept I was only looking at any possible (obvious) reason that it might not work. And without considering the potential benefits of the wave/pendulum effect for the flexible/magnets it seemed that there would be a sticky-point.
"Hope"fully this will develop into a working design. :)
truesearch
No Probs, Yes. Where there is Hope there is Will, and. Where there is a Will there is a Way. ;)
Cheers
This is the closest machine that displays the same idea, though he does use mechanical weight shifts to do the same imbalanced wheel routine. Maybe someone else can find others to post. Thank you both for your comments.
Aldo Costa - clips of his Giant Perpetual Motion Wheel - YouTube (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DrsBplmMDcRQ&ei=K-AJUs3BB6PhygGGu4HQDA&usg=AFQjCNF-uJ2TA5oAUDvpep1SqJ-hZhBBYQ&sig2=AlSy35UGT7_PjYQ1RZDT1w&bvm=bv.50500085,d.aWc)
I have purchased items on the mainland today and will start a build in the evenings after work. It will be crude, let's hope it is large enough to over come the frictions at play. The small magnets were $5.99 X 4 packages and yields 40 magnets. Not the highest quality magnets, but they should work for a working prototype. Aldo Costa's wheel gives me an inner feeling that it has a good chance at working.
Sterling Allen called tonight and I hope to not be a disappointment to his time. He spends a lot of precious moments away from his loved ones and it is way past time that his efforts are given the fruits they deserve.
As far as I can tell the concern over a sticky point is actually not viable due to the amount of weight shifted on both sides of the disk. The unflexed rods are neither a plus nor minus on the effect. Anyways your comments are very constructive and welcome. Thank you
I have contacted Professor Jones and hope his insights will add needed momentum to the topic. After over 4 years watching and trying ideas on the forum I and others get a bit burnt out on being fresh to new ideas. The whole prototype looks like it will cost under $45.00 USD. Will post it for your interests. I picked up a 16M pixel camera that will make the video. I will have to get some light flat brass to act as the flex rods here on the island. Seems funny to me that after all the complicated things we all have tried, this motor is so simple. I will try to borrow a scale to match the finished flex rods with.
@Hope:
Please keep us posted with your experiments! As you can see, there are several of us following and watching your progress. I'd like to see photos of your setup and the info/data.
Unfortunately I'm not in a position to complete any experiments at this time :(
truesearch
I just was looking at your drawing Farmhand and noticed the magnets used to activate the imbalance marked A and B need some clarification. The A base arc should extend from the 6:30 position to the 11:30 position. The B base arc should be from the 12:30 position to the 5:30 position. This is where the presumed stickiness was questioned by truesearch. I see why you would think that now. I left that area unengaged by the magnets so it would not be an issue.
This is the first drawing of the dial, it shows information concerning layout but no dimensions due to no working device being built as of now. I have parts now at hand but still need acquire thin flexible flat brass stock to mount the magnets. I have solid corian, a cutting board but I want to make the first dial lighter. The magnets I have just are not strong enough to cause a large swing during repulsion. So I will keep the wheel weight down so over coming spin friction (torque) will be minimal. I will be making more drawings tomorrow.
More appointments in Seattle today. At least it gives me exposure to gain the few items I still need for building. Hope to find something light to serve as a center disk today. I picked up a thick round box but it was a poor choice for holding the flexible rods. I was able to find some flat brass small stock here in Bayview. In a small way I am hesitant to finally build, it is my last idea and I have no others after so many times of trying.
If this does not work I will have to start a new line of thought.
Quote from: Hope on August 15, 2013, 08:43:20 AM
More appointments in Seattle today. At least it gives me exposure to gain the few items I still need for building. Hope to find something light to serve as a center disk today. I picked up a thick round box but it was a poor choice for holding the flexible rods. I was able to find some flat brass small stock here in Bayview. In a small way I am hesitant to finally build, it is my last idea and I have no others after so many times of trying.
If this does not work I will have to start a new line of thought.
What part of "magnetism is a conservative field" have you missed previously? This (and any other attempt at building a working magnet motor) is doomed to fail due to this fact.
Hooray, finally the troll appears. Thanks for confirming this work. NONE of the principles applied in this project break the know laws of physics.
Ok all have the most part of the materials to start building, even a bearing. I was hoping for a styrene disk to keep it light weight. Anyone have a suggestion?
Removed!
What is that video all about? It sure could use audio, I mean nice to see hand gestures but what about using verbal communication. I am not saying the video drawing can work or not due to lack of information. Please post the topic if you wish to start an new subject thx.
Hmmm, I have audio. It's a bit out of subject in this thread so I posted it in "overbalanced wheel showcase"
Tonight I had hoped to post pictures of the disk build. I can tell you the disk build as drawn is a good one. The project is 70% done now BUT the outer magnets will have to be placed on the side facing the flexible rods magnets, both of the outer repulse and the inner repulse. This prototype is not made for a long run time. It is built out of a pressed cardboard round box top and has been a simple build. All the magnets and flat brass rods are mounted with hot glue. I did install an bearing collar onto the box top. I think maybe a computer fan bearing would be better.
I took pictures but forgot the camera at the shop. I will have them posted tomorrow after another long day at the VA. BFN
@Hope:
This is sounding good! I like what you're doing and how you are willing to share with us.
Please post photos of your build when you get the chance.
I'm looking forward to what happens. . . . ;D
truesearch
Quote from: Hope on August 16, 2013, 01:46:37 AM
Hooray, finally the troll appears. Thanks for confirming this work. NONE of the principles applied in this project break the know laws of physics.
Trolling? not at all. Just pointing out why such schemes can never give rise to usable output work.
This one uses magnetism, gravity and springs (in the form of a flexible rods). All of these parts have conservative properties, in that the integral of force with respect to distance sums to zero when moving the components over any closed path. This being the case , it is NOT possible to combine these mechanisms in such a way that gives net output work. However, you may be able to devise a scheme whereby you alternately store up and then release energy.
If you are not careful, (or have deliberate deception in mind) you will measure the power output and input over different time-scales. Using this it is easy to fool people that the device is generating net output when it is not.
@hope.dont listen to libre,he has failed to uphold the thermodynamics laws in certain electrochemistry,light,and gravity examples.
Quote from: profitis on August 19, 2013, 09:13:12 PM
@hope.dont listen to libre,he has failed to uphold the thermodynamics laws in certain electrochemistry,light,and gravity examples.
The example you gave of infrared radiation and a curved mirror in an isothermal box simply does not provide an example of anything that breaks either the first or second law or thermodynamics as you claim. I have pointed out that when concentrating IR via a mirror you cannot achieve a temperature higher than the temperature of the IR emitter.
Your claim of a 2Lot violation is not tenable when you understand this fact, but you conveniently ignore it when promoting the idea.
As to electrochemistry I do not have enough knowledge in the area to adequately assess your claim. My daughter who has a chemistry degree with honours does though, and dismisses your explanation. I'll ask her for a version understandable by the average person, to post here.
@Hope:
Any update on your experimental progress that you care to post? ;D
truesearch
totaly wrong @libre.if you hang one of those upconversion devices from foreverlight.com in a isothermal box it creates a temperature gradient,in theory and in practice.the electrochemistry example is straight from the textbooks so your daughter will have to prove that the text-books are wrong when they say that an oxygen electrode potential is dependant upon oxygen coverage of a platinum electrode,she wont be able to dispute this fact in theory or in practice.
Ok this is the disk being built. My resolution is far to high so I will have to reshoot the photos. Thanks Gadgetmall for the insight and positive comments in your PM to me.
LE thanks for your comments, please take the time to understand the model presented. We are not obtaining torque movement from repulsion of magnetic fields. Instead we are magnetically imbalancing a wheel and allowing gravity to attempt to rebalance the device. The disk is kept in constant imbalance therefore gravity will keep the wheel turning.
Quote from: Hope on August 20, 2013, 09:25:49 PM
LE thanks for your comments, please take the time to understand the model presented. We are not obtaining torque movement from repulsion of magnetic fields. Instead we are magnetically imbalancing a wheel and allowing gravity to attempt to rebalance the device. The disk is kept in constant imbalance therefore gravity will keep the wheel turning.
This is exactly what I am referring to, and I fully understand this device. I predict you will shortly discover it does not work.
I'm simply pointing out why. You cannot combine conservative forces in such a way that gives rise to non conservative result, as would be necessary for this machine (or any other of this kind) to produce usable net work output.
dont listen to libre @hope.he has failed to uphold the thermo laws regarding light,electrochemistry and gravity,and therefore we cannot exclude magnetism.
Have to put brakes on the vehicle tonight so I will take some lower resolution photos and post them tomorrow. The build is coming along fine. I did find that the magnets NOT on the disk must be mounted on the opposite side of the metal (perhaps non-ferrous) that shown in the drawings.
LE if we do not try every way the how for certain can we eliminate all possibilities. Without trying we may miss what could work.
Can you show your efforts, we would like to see them.
Quote from: Hope on August 21, 2013, 08:27:11 PM
LE if we do not try every way the how for certain can we eliminate all possibilities. Without trying we may miss what could work.
Can you show your efforts, we would like to see them.
The 'effort' comes from understanding the mathematics involved. If we fully characterize the properties of magnetism and gravity and springs in equations (and to this point it has never been shown that the currently accepted ones are wrong) we can then use those equations to predict how combining them in any particular arrangement would act.
If for instance the equations are expressed in Lagrangian rather than Cartesian form to remove dependence on geometry we see that conservation laws are unchanged.
In 'real life' this simply means that there cannot be ANY arrangement of these fields that breaks this symmetry and gives rise to a non conservative result. I know you won't accept that as fact, but it is so.
LE please continue. All failures lead to learning, ask Edison. Ask Howard Johnson, Floyd Sweet or Tesla even. Where BTW are his moving parts in his energy transmission tower? You wish us to lay down and sleep while we are slaves to the present system.
I have noticed one thing common about negative thinkers (trolls) they have a habit to moving around denouncing what ever suits them and ALWAYS they are newbies. The sum of all you comments are nearly 100% negative.
The device I am building may or may not work as planned but at least it is an idea brought to reality. Words are cheap, that is why actions speak much louder than banter.
Now off to replace the brakes. bfn
LE how do your equations figure in to Aldo Costa's device? And we are not taught but one half of electronic theory now days so do you have a half set of formulas that prove on half of what??
Quote from: Hope on August 21, 2013, 09:28:07 PM
I have noticed one thing common about negative thinkers (trolls) they have a habit to moving around denouncing what ever suits them and ALWAYS they are newbies. The sum of all you comments are nearly 100% negative.
Yes, my comments are 100% negative because I have never seen a device or idea expressed in here that was not either 100% misguided or 100% fraudulent.
The 'results' here speak for themselves. Not one Joule of excess energy produced by any device yet described in here ever.
lol @libre,utter crap.
@Hope:
How is your build progressing? Any update as to what you have found?? :)
I'm "hoping" for the best! ;D
truesearch
This is an update on the build. The disk is finished, so I will post a photo or two. Still have the stand and outer magnets to build.
This is just a prototype and will be used for R&D. It is not meant to have a long run time. Just long enough to develop the principle. There already are changes coming that allows the weight shift to be toggled to an inside rail.
Decided on open source after a message from Gadgetmall.
@Hope:
That's looking encouraging!
What size, type and strength of magnets did you decide to use on your brass "stems"?
truesearch
Truesearch,
I will list what parts and materials were used after this device is further tested. I do NOT want anyone using their resources until the unit has sustained a run time. There needs to be other parts built this week to hold the magnets that cause the repulsion of the disks magnets (The A and B Side units). I will speculate that the size of the magnets do not matter as long as the weight shift can over come the center bearings friction. The transfer of the weights mass will be accomplished by landing each flex rod on a rail most inward for the 6:30 to 11:30 (A Side) and on the B Side an outer rail.
What IS important is that builders understand the principle the device is using.
Still working on it,
Richard Williams
;)
@Hope:
I respect your opinion and appreciate your efforts to save others disappointment.
Looking forward to see what comes of your design :)
truesearch
Can't spend time today due to conflicts in my schedule. I have decided to revise the disk to hold an inner and outer rail. This will allow the mass moved on the flex rods to push on the rails and give the device weight shift, more so than just flex.
Spend a lot of time today just replacing a lens on the BMW 525i headlight assembly. What a time consuming design to repair.
Thanks for your messages.
This is drawing one revised. It provides a way to transfer the weight to both inside and outside of the disk. This imbalance should keep the wheel spinning.
@Hope:
Anything new to report on your build??
trueseach
Yes finally, I think this is very important for everyone trying to build on the wheel imbalance principal "You must shift the weight beyond the central point of the axle".
Ok with that knowledge we can all make them work.
The rainy season has begun on the island and I am up to my armpits with families needing me. EVERY thing including any days beside Sundays off is cancelled. I get home very late and start very early, some can pay me some can not, but they still need to dry dry. So off to work I go.
What I told you all about the weight shifting to the other side of the axle means you should have the weight move from the (Clockface example) 6-12 O'clock side to the 12-6 O'clock side. This perhaps is how others in past times have succeeded. Good Luck with all your builds. I am going to use this to revise my device and rebuild it. I didn't complete my first unit because I tried shifting small weights on a bicycle wheel and it made no difference until the weights passed the axle's center point.
@Hope:
Does this image illustrate what you are describing?
truesearch
Use magnetic balls. South pole inside, North pole outside.
That is the idea in a way, the weights must be axis centered then when repulsed the will move beyond the center. This is great because the weights in the center can be heavy and will make the power amplified over my orginal thoughts.
the return of the heavier weights can be repulsed also.
Also the rods will not flex and the will push the axis weights to the counter balance side, revisions happen unless you are Tesla. This project is getting better all the time. I envision a long axle with a cylinder supported with spokes and the weights on the axis being repulsed to the opposite side to make imbalance. This is actually easier than the original design. Hopefully I can contact Sean for his thoughts.
Your comments and PM's are greatly appreciated. This project is moving along well, thank you.
Tubes mounted thru an axle hub from one side to the other with ball bearings just might be quite simple to prototype. What I am needing is more weight on the down going side. I think this design will work both directions by simply starting the rotation either direction. Can someone model this as a simulation? Thanks
@Hope
Unfortunately, I'm not experienced enough with any magnetic-sim to do anything :(
truesearch
This is not a problem Truesearch, this idea of using repulsion to start a reaction to help gravity act sooner has not been seen as far as researching on my end.
They have gotten my hyperthyroid meds fairly balanced now and with winter here I have increasing time to devote.
Thx for your time.
LOL, I just got a job offer from (of all things) a oil shipper. This is strange since I have not applied for a job.
I know this means nada but still it is odd.
@Hope:
Now that IS odd, maybe even disturbing. . . .
I was really wondering what had happen with your experimenting and if you had any progress to show us (either good or bad) :) I hope you don't "disappear" :(
truesearch
@Hope:
I know you have a busy life with probably alot going on as well as all of the OTHER interesting threads here on overunity.com. . . . but have you had any time to continue playing with the "magnetically-imbalanced-wheel" design that you where working on?
I'm still interested if you have any updates that you can share :)
truesearch
All at once an answer came to be about how to make the repelling fields and it will not take magnets on poles, just steel balls. I am not done with this yet. I need to make primer field bowls before I can moving on to revision of the model. I hope you all will keep abreast of this, as it works in a constant circular field in my mind just fine. Maybe this is the last situation to solve. Please review the Primer Fields videos part 1 & 2 for any information we can gleen to use to make our own set of bowls. I will be working again on this project now.
@Hope:
Good to see you haven't given up on this project! :)
However, I'm not following what you are describing:
Quotehow to make the repelling fields and it will not take magnets on poles, just steel balls
:o
I'm interested in what you discovering.
truesearch
Watch Primer Fields part 1 and 2 to see how the ceramic bowls make focused magnetic fields that effect steel in a magnetic alignment.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Review:_The_Primer_Fields#The_Primer_Fields_Part_2 (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Review:_The_Primer_Fields#The_Primer_Fields_Part_2)
Both parts one and two are at this site.
This WILL take time to watch and understand. It is well worth your time.
Have located a close neighbor who can do the ceramic bowls, so this maybe underway sooner than later.
Well, just spoke with Mike on building the ceramic bowls. He was very interested and told me he works with only ceramics and that if I could make a technical drawing he could make the bowls. Now I am jazzed. Off hand does anyone have drawings of the bowl specifics?