Hi all,
In this link you can search for Barbosa or Leal to find a very simple device which seems easy to replicate.
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html)
The device allegedly capture electrons from the ground (Energia da Terra) by a very simple and novel design. The inventors state that it can be self looped and the device shows a COP over 100. The inventors have filed 5 PCT patents which have been recently published ( WO2013104042, WO2013104039, WO2013104041, WO2013104043, WO2013104040). The inventors are brasilian and the patents are wirtten in portuguese.
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1?cl=en (http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1?cl=en)
The main advantage of this generator is its simplicity. Here a video ( INPUT: 22 W , OUTPUT: 6000 W) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)
Regards
Sounds like an earth battery. I will check out the links.
Thanks,
Bill
Is there a version of that video with English subtitles? I don't have a clue as to what was going on there. Do you have a translation? Or, if you understand what they were saying...could you give me a short summary of what it was?
Thanks,
Bill
Oh there are those test lights again-defently an OU setup with that many light's.
And yes- a translation would be great.
The link you posted for the solid state fancy transformers,have been tried many time's. This was one of Tom Beardens miracle machines-the MEG. But Tom is getting on in age,and he still isnt sitting on the snow white beaches of the bahama's,sipping on his pina colada,being faned by sexy girls in bikini's.
Don't you just love it when people spend all this money on devices, video production and promotion, and then they "prove" their "overunity" with a couple of cheap clampon meters and a bank of lights... and maybe an electric fan or drill motor, and of course the 1500 Watt heater.
What you _never_ see is someone testing their devices with a proper integrating power meter, or using an oscilloscope with math capability to go all the way through to computing an energy integral.
Well, almost never....
;)
Well they are spending a lot of money and trouble if it's fake. Patents applied for in 198 countries.
Quote from: e2matrix on August 14, 2013, 01:28:31 PM
Well they are spending a lot of money and trouble if it's fake. Patents applied for in 198 countries.
Oh really? There are only 193 members and two observer states in the United Nations, for a total of 195. There are some other places that claim sovereignty, but let's face it, if they aren't in the UN, who cares if they have a patent there or not.
But don't claimants usually just file a single WIPO application, that then covers a lot of countries?
And of course all those patent APPLICATION numbers listed in the OP are just that: applications, not granted patents.
Hi,
I have checked the patents and they are not yet extended to any specific country. They have just filed the 5 PCT, and they have time to extend the patents to other countries until July in 2014.
By now they have expent some money in patents 5 X 5000 $ aprox. each PCT . I have read that they did a public demo of their generators.
I only understand portuguese partially: in the video the explain that thier generators take the charge form the earth by the grounding wire. They just have to excite the generator with a small current and the output is much bigger. The first device produce 6 KW (and the do a demo with the lights while the input was just 22 W (0.1 A at 220 V). The intermediate device produce 280 KW , and the bigger device produce around 1 MW.
Lets say for the hell of it,its real, I'm not fully convinced it is,it could still be a trick.
It looks sort of looks like the Tariel Kap device made in turkey most of the parts in that video are non functional,
only whats in the metal boxes is real.If this device can produce large amounts of current as claimed it could power an electric car,at least 70% of
oil is used for transportation,it could cause an oil price crash.The inventors will guard the information to replicate it,
as its too simple, anyone could build it.I don't expect it to go too far as it will be bought up and disappear or the inventors will disappear,that is if its real.
Any patent or patents will be fake and will not give enough information to replicate it because it is too simple as was done with the Tariel Kap applied patents.
An electric car with unlimited range,no batteries to charge up,the supply voltage is independent,you can adjust it to the electric motor needs,
as this amplifies current only,ac power makes it easy to control,it will never be allowed.Lets say that a much smaller device can be made,it could keep a drone
flying 24/7,it has too many military applications,it will never be allowed.
Permit me to do a Darth Dansie here.
I watched the clip and could more or less follow it. They stated in Portuguese pretty what you can imagine they would have said in English just like Hanon posted above.
Notice they spent a few hundred dollars on the roll-up sign. It's about 20 feet wide also, which would be for a 20' x 10' or 20' x 20' trade show booth. Then you have two nice looking clean-cut presenters.
The problem is that it looks like there are batteries in the boxes. It's trivial to up the voltage to be able to drive all of the lights. As a reminder, batteries store quite a bit of energy and they can output high power levels. So everything in the clip could be explained by good old batteries.
So it looks to me like you are looking at a semi-professional con. It's a study in human nature.
MileHigh
I agree with you milehigh could be batteries,the problem is the batteries that you can get now get,are very high power.In the days of the tpu 1997,these kind of batteries did not exist or were in labs so you could rule out batteries to a point.Maybe sterling should contact these guys,I need a good laugh,we got cheated out of laughs on the motor-gen one.
Quote from: cheappower2012 on August 14, 2013, 05:58:54 PM
I agree with you milehigh could be batteries,the problem is the batteries that you can get now get,are very high power.In the days of the tpu 1997,these kind of batteries did not exist or were in labs so you could rule out batteries to a point.Maybe sterling should contact these guys,I need a good laugh,we got cheated out of laughs on the motor-gen one.
Sterling is probably on his way over there as we speak. (Paid for by someone else, of course) Possibly, he will get one of these units too so he can really, really get off the grid at his home. Pretty soon, Sterling will be making so much power (for free ) in his neighborhood that the power companies will ask him to provide them with some.
Bill
@MH
I want some of that Magnetic bathing fluid
Mark
MH said,
"Then you have two nice looking clean-cut presenters."
That's pretty funny, as I was thinking pretty much the opposite. I want to see FE devices presented by people wearing white labcoats over dress shirts with ties, and they should be carrying or have close at hand a clipboard, which should be referred to occasionally. Black hornrimmed safety glasses are optional but highly recommended for credibility.
This casual, open collar, shirttail untucked, hands in pockets style is an affront to my sensibilities.
Here is the test I'd like to see. Get yourself a great big huge Frankenstein three-bladed double-throw knife switch and some heavy cables and clamps. That is the only bit of test kit you need! Take the device around to the place where the building is supplied with power from the national grid, the meter or main distribution box. Get a qualified electrician to put the knife switch in the circuit so that you can select the building to be powered by either the mains, or the Device Under Test.
From this point the test procedure should be obvious to anyone, and also the pass-fail criteria!
Ideally the "building" mentioned should be the claimant's home. After all, he already has an installation going on there, right, complete with a mains disconnect, because he's been powering his house with one for some time.... right?
What good are these things if they DON'T show us how to make one? ??? ???
It's like a guy BRAGGING about his FAST CAR, but how does that help POOR people WITHOUT any electricity? ???
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Quote from: hanon on August 14, 2013, 02:26:13 PM
The intermediate device produce 280 KW
Now that's what I call a decent power density for those little boxes.
I wonder what kind of 2N3055 they use there... It must be pretty good ones, right? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pLVhyVI1WM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pLVhyVI1WM)
http://www.circuitbreakerstore.com/circuit-breakers/abb/air-breakers/k-line-breakers-600-volt/parts-circuit-breaker/gould-shawmut-current-limiting-fuse-a4by1600/ (http://www.circuitbreakerstore.com/circuit-breakers/abb/air-breakers/k-line-breakers-600-volt/parts-circuit-breaker/gould-shawmut-current-limiting-fuse-a4by1600/)
Quote from: hanon on August 14, 2013, 02:26:13 PM
... and the bigger device produce around 1 MW.
:o Yup, it surely does.
My bet is it is a deception, I see no reason whatsoever to believe that the current measured at 2:50 minutes in the video is that input current while the lamps are being powered,
or any reason why it would be considered an accurate measurement. considering the fluctuations and the still shot taken at the lowest point of the fluctuation, however the accuracy is not
such a concern as is weather or not the load is powered while the measurement is taken or is it is even the actual input that is being measured.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q
They look like a pair of better dressed Kapanadzes.
I don't consider the video to have any proof of anything.
Cheers
Quote from: FatBird on August 15, 2013, 03:38:38 PM
What good are these things if they DON'T show us how to make one? ??? ???
It's like a guy BRAGGING about his FAST CAR, but how does that help POOR people WITHOUT any electricity? ???
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They do show you how to make one. They have 5 detailed patents.
Quote from: FatBird on August 15, 2013, 03:38:38 PM
What good are these things if they DON'T show us how to make one? ??? ???
It's like a guy BRAGGING about his FAST CAR, but how does that help POOR people WITHOUT any electricity? ???
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And here they are pictured with there first big investors. The 75kw system is being promoted in the pic.
B1 and B2 are negotiating with Sterling. They have developed an overunity powered banana. It needs soem funding so he can gett here ASAP
Kind Regards
Mark
Can somebody post the Patents here, or show a Link to see them.
Thank you.
Quote from: markdansie on August 16, 2013, 07:35:04 AM
B1 and B2 are negotiating with Sterling. They have developed an overunity powered banana. It needs soem funding so he can gett here ASAP
Kind Regards
Mark
It seemed that Sterling was confronted with the Mylow situation in the chat room on The Smart Scarecrow show last night...about his mass ban of anyone that thought Mylow was a fake. I pointed out his abuse of the fellows here on OU.com...the actual guys that proved it was a fake. He did not appear to be happy about that.
Bill
Quote from: FatBird on August 16, 2013, 09:07:08 AM
Can somebody post the Patents here, or show a Link to see them.
Thank you.
Their 5 patents are in portuguese. You can download the original text of one of them (WO2013104042) here:
http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000021792590.pdf?download (http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000021792590.pdf?download)
A translation into english: http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1?cl=en (http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1?cl=en)
Hanon:
Thanks for the translation link. It this one still an application or has it actually been granted? I could not really tell from a fast skim....heading off to work now.
Thanks,
Bill
Bill, the "A1" at the end of the number indicates a stage in the application process, the patent has not yet been granted (as of that publication).
Thanks for the heads-up about the SS segment on MyLOW, I'll have to listen to it. A blast from the past!
Can somebody Post some Patent Application PHOTOS, or where we can view them?
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Quote from: TinselKoala on August 16, 2013, 01:31:38 PM
Bill, the "A1" at the end of the number indicates a stage in the application process, the patent has not yet been granted (as of that publication).
Thanks for the heads-up about the SS segment on MyLOW, I'll have to listen to it. A blast from the past!
Thanks for the info.
The "Mylow discussion" took place in the chat room that runs along side the SS show. It was not mentioned on the show itself.
Bill
Quote from: Farmhand on August 16, 2013, 04:09:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)
Yeap, it tends to be epidemic. Stage some boxes producing electricity, take a good scietific sales'man attitude and promise FE and mayhaps you get some hype and followers and maybe some naive investors fall to your little trick and chew them their money.
Dont even bother explaining anything.. but i must admit its amusing.
Quote from: tinman on August 16, 2013, 06:36:31 AM
And here they are pictured with there first big investors. The 75kw system is being promoted in the pic.
Wow, I bet a whole BUNCH of investors will get on board now!
Quote from: Pirate88179 on August 16, 2013, 07:44:40 PM
Thanks for the info.
The "Mylow discussion" took place in the chat room that runs along side the SS show. It was not mentioned on the show itself.
Bill
Ah, too bad. I don't think the chat is archived, so I guess I missed the fun.
Has anyone had a chance to test the patent app, as to whether there is a new novel effect to generate power? I have read the patent and put together what I understand would be a suitable test circuit below.
It appears that one would want to limit the power input side, due to the closed loop on the transformer, will tend to smoke the primary without a current limit on input. It would also seem necessary to extend the 2 coil winding to another transformer so power could be extracted from the circuit in the second transformer at a proper voltage output.
220v @ .1A
22wInputac !------------- output ac (should exceed 22w if it works)
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Here a video with a replication of the system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs)
Liberty, I can not see your sketch because it seems to be moved by the formating of the text
Quote from: hanon on August 17, 2013, 05:42:25 PM
Here a video with a replication of the system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs)
Liberty, I can not see your sketch because it seems to be moved by the formating of the text
From what I can see in the video, the replication only has a shorted loop. You have to extract energy from the loop to see if it is more than what was supplied from the input circuit. I can't tell that the video really shows any excess output at all, but it looks like his loop has a bad solder joint.
Here is my schematic drawing of a test circuit.
Does that video show a connection to an earth ground? If so, I didn't see it. Can someone draw out the schematic of the video?
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 17, 2013, 07:07:57 PM
Does that video show a connection to an earth ground? If so, I didn't see it. Can someone draw out the schematic of the video?
I didn't see a schematic diagram either. It would have been very helpful. It appears to me that the primary on both transformers were being used for input. I didn't see an earth ground either.
Translation of the text by the video uploader: "A brief example of how it would be possible to produce 100x more power using the new technical effect, generated by electro-magnetism that generates current by an electromotive force. This current keeps constant in the conductor's captor. I make it clear that I am skeptic and did not believe it was possible. But to my surprise I appears 300A using 2.3 amp consumption. Other experiments have already got 55 amp which would be more sensible to a residence. There is technically Induction respect to Lenz's Law. Now the amount of electrons which joins the driver where it comes?"
Three Hundred Amps.
Are we talking about the same video, the one just above here with the two transformers and the power strip, and the tangle of wires, none of them larger than #12 AWG?
Three hundred amps. For a change, I find myself without adequate words to express my utter LOLLING.
High amps
from the Kapanadze thread:
Dear Zeitmaschine.This is my interpretation of your recent post's. Please advise any direction that you see fit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-no (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-no)Cheers Grum.
Quote from: a.king21 on August 18, 2013, 01:02:12 AM
High amps
from the Kapanadze thread:
Dear Zeitmaschine.This is my interpretation of your recent post's. Please advise any direction that you see fit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-no (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-no)Cheers Grum.
A thousand amps now! Or is it zero amps like the meter showed just before the camera panned away in a hurry? At least his heavy wires look a bit more plausible for heavy current, but a thousand amps for any length of time would vaporize that heavy cable just as surely as it would a smaller one.
Don't believe me? Then take that heavy cable and hook it directly across the poles of a fully charged car battery. You'll see what a kiloamp of Real Current can do. But please wear safety glasses and stand well back.
Let's say the resistance of that two feet of heavy cable is 0.001 ohm. It is probably much higher than that but let's use one millOhm. The power dissipated in that cable, then, is I
2R, or (1000 x 1000) x 0.001, or One KiloWatt. It would be glowing red-hot in moments. If the resistance of the cable/connectors is only 0.01 ohm, one hundredth of an ohm.... you then have TEN KILOWATTS of dissipation in your cable.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 18, 2013, 07:07:39 AM
A thousand amps now! Or is it zero amps like the meter showed just before the camera panned away in a hurry?
I think he switched the power on then off fairly quickly before removing the clamp for the reasons you highlighted.
Quote from: e2matrix on August 18, 2013, 12:36:36 AM
Translation of the text by the video uploader: "A brief example of how it would be possible to produce 100x more power using the new technical effect, generated by electro-magnetism that generates current by an electromotive force. This current keeps constant in the conductor's captor. I make it clear that I am skeptic and did not believe it was possible. But to my surprise I appears 300A using 2.3 amp consumption. Other experiments have already got 55 amp which would be more sensible to a residence. There is technically Induction respect to Lenz's Law. Now the amount of electrons which joins the driver where it comes?"
Can someone explain to that person that the hundreds amps (if correct measured) of the thick looped inductor is due to transformer turns ratio plain induction?
The weird would be if considerable amps would flow to the system, via one wire (as Kapanadze suggests) from ground to device.
But this is not the case is not it?
:)
Where is the "inventor" to show us the principle? Instead every newbie tries to verify it.. sighh
Quote from: Hoppy on August 18, 2013, 07:59:53 AM
I think he switched the power on then off fairly quickly before removing the clamp for the reasons you highlighted.
And I think a very good and impressive demonstration of real power would have been for him NOT to have switched it off, and let it start glowing from the heat.
I've deliberately blown components to illustrate my points in videos.... and you can bet I would have supported a claim of a thousand amps with something other than an unstable meter reading from an unknown uncalibrated instrument. But that's just me, nobody pays attention to me, because I don't make claims I can't support with real data.
Here's a challenge: Put a 30 amp fuse in series with that cable and repeat the experiment. Or if you are really confident, use a 100 A fuse.
Mmm,im not sure on that one TK,it almost seems doable. I believe that cable could handle a 1000 amps for a brief period. Acording to the National Electric Code,you only need AWG 4 for 250 amp's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQYFII5ESME
The video above is like a spot welding mod, high amps low voltage.... ???
Can anyone know to Barbosa and Leal transformer input put is DC or AC current? And can someone translate most inportant things in patents they?
And then shorted secondary wire, why consumption in his divice is 0,1 W? Current must increas with shorted secondary winding. And from were going output in they divice?
Quote from: MenofFather on August 18, 2013, 11:50:38 AM
Can anyone know to Barbosa and Leal transformer input put is DC or AC current? And can someone translate most inportant things in patents they?
And then shorted secondary wire, why consumption in his divice is 0,1 W? Current must increas with shorted secondary winding. And from were going output in they divice?
Look in Patrick Kelly's latest e-book update
Just startpage: Patrick Kelly free energy
Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w)
Regards
Quote from: hanon on August 18, 2013, 03:33:50 PM
Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w)
Regards
Here is a translation of the video info from Youtube:
"Theory about the captor Electron Earth.
Well folks another little evolution in the sensor circuit. I got close to 400 AP put without voltage, current flows u can feel the vibration in the fingers and heats up very fast in short, when you add another inductor to give this current flow suddenly boom! Appears tension with chain and lights the Lamp! Logical that my last inductor can handle only 200 mA output, so I can not use high loads. This is my next challenge. Thanks for everybody who signed up on my channel and give me some support. Thank you!"
Bill
Was it TK that wanted suits and ties? If it will make you feel better here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo
Well suits and one tie any way .... and a bit more measuring equipment ;)
Quote from: MenofFather on August 18, 2013, 11:50:38 AM
Can anyone know to Barbosa and Leal transformer input put is DC or AC current? And can someone translate most inportant things in patents they?
And then shorted secondary wire, why consumption in his divice is 0,1 W? Current must increas with shorted secondary winding. And from were going output in they divice?
This link is Patrick Kelly's latest Appendix 3 which has a translation of the patent: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Appendix3.pdf
Quote from: e2matrix on August 18, 2013, 05:17:15 PM
Was it TK that wanted suits and ties? If it will make you feel better here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo)
Well suits and one tie any way .... and a bit more measuring equipment ;)
No, we need to see lab coats. Without lab coats there is no credibility at all. That's just the way it is.
Bill
From this link: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html) the description about patent WO2013104042 :
"The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction. With this arrangement, the current circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, increasing the current flow there by a major amount. Wire 3 (input) can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4 (output), but understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result of the current in wire 3".
Forget the suits and ties. I want to see the "1000 amp" circuit blow a 100 Amp fuse.
Quote from: hanon on August 18, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
From this link: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html) the description from the patent:
The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction. With this arrangement, the current circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, augmenting the current flow there by a major amount. Wire 3 can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4, but please understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result of the current in wire 3.
Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this? I sure don't. It would be very easy to demonstrate this, if it were true. Me doing it, or not, will have no value. So let's see someone else, please, just perform this "principle experiment". Show a current in the Wire 5, which is merely wrapped around but not connected to Wire 4, separated by insulation as the sketch shows. Show how the final output of the device depends on whether or not the blue wire is connected to an earth ground or not. Further, power the input by AC from an inverter connected to batteries, and go pull the house mains breakers or service disconnect, all three phases. Does the device still operate as claimed?
Three simple, quick tests that would take at most an hour to perform and video, and that would actually provide some real proof of something unusual and interesting. Three tests we will _never_ actually see performed.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 18, 2013, 08:31:10 PM
Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this? I sure don't. It would be very easy to demonstrate this, if it were true. Me doing it, or not, will have no value. So let's see someone else, please, just perform this "principle experiment". Show a current in the Wire 5, which is merely wrapped around but not connected to Wire 4, separated by insulation as the sketch shows. Show how the final output of the device depends on whether or not the blue wire is connected to an earth ground or not. Further, power the input by AC from an inverter connected to batteries, and go pull the house mains breakers or service disconnect, all three phases. Does the device still operate as claimed?
Three simple, quick tests that would take at most an hour to perform and video, and that would actually provide some real proof of something unusual and interesting. Three tests we will _never_ actually see performed.
Well this is the crux of the whole patent. They claim to have found a new effect. So you should be quite capable of disproving this yourself and putting out a video. - Seeing as you are KING of the nay-sayers. So prove to us all that it doesn't work !
Will you?
Quote from: a.king21 on August 18, 2013, 08:44:14 PM
Well this is the crux of the whole patent. They claim to have found a new effect. So you should be quite capable of disproving this yourself and putting out a video. - Seeing as you are KING of the nay-sayers. So prove to us all that it doesn't work !
Will you?
No! I don't claim the effect, I don't know how to make it, my failure would prove nothing! And I know enough about the subject matter to know that the explanation given is bogus under our present knowledge. So it does no good at all for me to try anything at this point, except to try to get people to
think a little bit.
I have indeed worked with real kiloampere currents, and I have indeed seen devices powered by groundloops involving Earth grounds and a phase of the mains supply. So I am proposing a couple of simple tests _that can only be done by someone who has such a device that "works"_ that would demonstrate the correctness of the claims.
Is this really so difficult for you to understand? It is in no sense required that a skeptic prove the device wrong.... what is required is for the claimant to prove that the device is _not_ wrong. I don't believe the meter readings are accurate because of my prior experience with meters and with high currents and with oscillating currents, so I am asking for a more believable test: Blow a 100 amp fuse with the "1000 amp current". How unreasonable is that?
And I have seen deliberate and inadvertent cases where mains power leaked into a circuit through a "ground wire". In this case it is supposed to be leaking in that way, through an "inductive connection" but the sketch shows a single turn. Once again, because I have some little experience with inductive power transfer, I don't believe it, so I am giving the claimant a simple and easy couple of experiments that would go a long way towards convincing _me_ that the claims are true.
Is there something really wrong with that?
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 18, 2013, 09:26:31 PM
No! I don't claim the effect, I don't know how to make it, my failure would prove nothing! And I know enough about the subject matter to know that the explanation given is bogus under our present knowledge. So it does no good at all for me to try anything at this point, except to try to get people to think a little bit.
I have indeed worked with real kiloampere currents, and I have indeed seen devices powered by groundloops involving Earth grounds and a phase of the mains supply. So I am proposing a couple of simple tests _that can only be done by someone who has such a device that "works"_ that would demonstrate the correctness of the claims.
Is this really so difficult for you to understand? It is in no sense required that a skeptic prove the device wrong.... what is required is for the claimant to prove that the device is _not_ wrong. I don't believe the meter readings are accurate because of my prior experience with meters and with high currents and with oscillating currents, so I am asking for a more believable test: Blow a 100 amp fuse with the "1000 amp current". How unreasonable is that?
And I have seen deliberate and inadvertent cases where mains power leaked into a circuit through a "ground wire". In this case it is supposed to be leaking in that way, through an "inductive connection" but the sketch shows a single turn. Once again, because I have some little experience with inductive power transfer, I don't believe it, so I am giving the claimant a simple and easy couple of experiments that would go a long way towards convincing _me_ that the claims are true.
Is there something really wrong with that?
I may agree with the power (electron) leak through the ground scenario from TenselKoala as a possibility. If you look at the electron trap picture, it taps into the power input and connects to the electron trap ground circuit, which would create a possible circuit from the power company neutral/ground, to the device (if the power company neutral/grd is close enough). It might have the effect of bypassing the power meter, pulling power through the ground circuit. The patent did specify that power could come from AC power. If DC power was used, they may have put a diode in the circuit from the AC source which would create a DC current path. There is room for question in my opinion. Like was said above, a working unit would have to run on a battery for a power source to eliminate power coming from a power company ground circuit, bypassing the power meter. More testing should be done.
The other electron trap picture has the electron trap isolated from direct connection to input power. But there is a plus sign connection point on the trap. I don't know if a positive voltage is placed there, since it doesn't say on the patent? If so, it may create another possible circuit through the ground path? Lots of questions, not many answers at this point. Not to be negative, just realistic.
Liberty
To those interested, I have spent hours pouring through the patents and drawings. It is brilliant! You will not be able to make it work until you can answer the SM question that I have asked on my thread...
What are the ramifications of dual rotating fields? Why is that helpful?
Barbosa knows the answer and boldly states so in his patent. Facinating!
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: hanon on August 18, 2013, 03:33:50 PM
Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w)
Regards
In this video this setup is merely an inverter type setup, where low volts high amps converts high voltage to low amps, he did not check consumption on the input side if he was consuming the same amount of power with the light versus connected directly on mains....
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 18, 2013, 11:02:35 PM
To those interested, I have spent hours pouring through the patents and drawings. It is brilliant! You will not be able to make it work until you can answer the SM question that I have asked on my thread...
What are the ramifications of dual rotating fields? Why is that helpful?
Barbosa knows the answer and boldly states so in his patent. Facinating!
Cheers,
Bruce
If you know the answer, then why don't you tell us. And what has this to do with the simple electron trap from the earth?
No-one on this thread is claiming the device works, but I disagree with the idea that it cannot work. I know Melnychenko (who Kapanadze states on occasions as being close) has a patent which I machine translated.
The gist of Melnychenko's patent is that a transmitted signal picks up static from the earth's electromagnetic field and this has a FE effect. Well, the L1 of a transformer is also a transmitter, so I can see the possibility of a new source of energy. Nothing OU about it just FE, which is just as good. OU is impossible, because you can't have more than 100% of anything by definition.
Kapanadze also told me that his secret is "so simple you will laugh" (and then he cheated me and my partners, of course.) The Barbosa stuff qualifies as a suitable effect to substantiate Kapanadze's comment.
Even if something does not work, it is worth posting, because it saves useless "replication attempt" time.
Science takes no sides. It's just science.
And remember, we only have to be right ONCE!
Quote from: a.king21 on August 18, 2013, 11:42:49 PM
If you know the answer, then why don't you tell us. And what has this to do with the simple electron trap from the earth?
It has EVERYTHING to do with the electron trap.
Figure it out. It is not hard!
Cheers,
Bruce
"Energy from the ground" is a common misconception that comes around every now and then. Even the notion that a supply of electrons from the ground "supplies the current" for the "extra power" in the circuit does not even make any sense.
No circuit needs electrons from the ground to support higher currents, none! All circuits are closed-loops that the current circulates through. Connecting a "ground pipe" to the circuit will do nothing.
Here is the crux of the matter: Somewhere in the circuit there has to be a mechanism to up the pressure (voltage) to get the current to flow. That device that ups the pressure needs a power source to run. Any connection to the ground is not a power source in any way, nor is it even needed as explained above.
So, you are back to the question: Where is the power source that feeds the device in the circuit that ups the pressure to create the current flow? Somewhere in the circuit the voltage goes up, and that device that ups the voltage does not do it like "magic," there has to be some kind of mechanism that takes some form of supplied power and converts that into the upping of the voltage.
There is "pump" somewhere in the circuit to make the current flow, there simply has to be. Where is it and what is it? What kind of power source connects to the "pump" and where does the power come from?
QuoteIt has EVERYTHING to do with the electron trap.
If by the "electron trap" you mean the ground connection, that's a non-starter, see my previous posting.
We are all waiting for you to spill the beans Bruce.
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 19, 2013, 12:04:14 AM
It has EVERYTHING to do with the electron trap.
Figure it out. It is not hard!
Cheers,
Bruce
Figure it out huh? You are the one supposed to have assembled a OU device (called TPU) and solved the energy problem?
Now you give hints and tips?
Hmm, I think the Truth is no so easy.Electron trap is kind of trick to avoid correct answer , while of course it's partially correct....it's hard to explain without going into details. However it's not because ground electrons have no energy. They have a lot. Another point is misconception of ground ,it is not the same ground concept you think of.
The closest to the answer is Fabrice Andre (sure he is still silent about the details). Watch his video and see the answer (if you can catch it, because it's not obvious)
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 18, 2013, 08:31:10 PM
Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this? I sure don't. It would be very easy to demonstrate this, if it were true. Me doing it, or not, will have no value. So let's see someone else, please, just perform this "principle experiment". Show a current in the Wire 5, which is merely wrapped around but not connected to Wire 4, separated by insulation as the sketch shows. Show how the final output of the device depends on whether or not the blue wire is connected to an earth ground or not. Further, power the input by AC from an inverter connected to batteries, and go pull the house mains breakers or service disconnect, all three phases. Does the device still operate as claimed?
Three simple, quick tests that would take at most an hour to perform and video, and that would actually provide some real proof of something unusual and interesting. Three tests we will _never_ actually see performed.
If wire conected to ground, not looped, then if energy going from ground, then input must also curent be not 0.1 A, but if load use let say 10 amps, then and input curent must be 12-10 amps, but not 0.1 amps.
Если даже земляной провод не обкручен, а с медью соединён со 4 проводом, том несколько витков толстым, высокоамперным, всё равно тогда получаеться что ток идёт напрямую от фазы с землёй, но тогда токовые клещи бы и должны показать 10-20 ампер, сколько там нагрузка, а не 0,1 ампер. Но нужно оба провода выходные из розетки проверить и если у обоих будет около 0,1 ампер, а нагрузка будет 1 киловатт к примеру, то уже есть свободная энергия и не важно, повторяюсь идёт ли к земле напрямую или нет, да это в какой-то мере не честно, но это всё равно мизер эта нечестносьт, потому что такого не должно быть даже если это нечестно.
How I understand output is 26 amps and 220 volts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q) 2:34. It 5720 watts. Input is 22 watts.
But it only meashure neutral 0.1 A. 2:54
He must measure and fase. Blue wire usualy is neutral. If in fase be 26-27 amps, then it means that were no free energy. Если он бы померил не неутраль, а фазу и там будет 26 ампер, тогда тут нет свободной энергии.
Quote from: forest on August 19, 2013, 04:20:26 AM
Hmm, I think the Truth is no so easy.Electron trap is kind of trick to avoid correct answer , while of course it's partially correct....it's hard to explain without going into details. However it's not because ground electrons have no energy. They have a lot. Another point is misconception of ground ,it is not the same ground concept you think of.
The closest to the answer is Fabrice Andre (sure he is still silent about the details). Watch his video and see the answer (if you can catch it, because it's not obvious)
The frenchman discovered Kapanadze method for lighing lamps? In other words, talking, showing junk and use of a ground wire?
OMG, i must go in business with those setups. It seems to be plenty of fools around. I guess my first steps would be to get viewers and then followers!
ops... i compromised my plan!
ps: seems i have too much free time since in vocations :P
Quote from: forest on August 19, 2013, 04:20:26 AM
Hmm, I think the Truth is no so easy.Electron trap is kind of trick to avoid correct answer , while of course it's partially correct....it's hard to explain without going into details. However it's not because ground electrons have no energy. They have a lot. Another point is misconception of ground ,it is not the same ground concept you think of.
The closest to the answer is Fabrice Andre (sure he is still silent about the details). Watch his video and see the answer (if you can catch it, because it's not obvious)
I am sure that fabrice andre does not understand electronics ... so it is a scam ... or
it is the device of another guy and so : it could be "the closest to the answer"
Fabrice Andre knows the answer , which doesn't mean he has a working device (which I do not know). Just watch video and read carefully. Simple scientific fact is used...which is the most scientifically avoided task for research (they knew the answer and cover it ???!!!)
This link to WO2013104041 Electromagnetic device for capturing free space electrons to generate electricity (http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/WO2013104041) seems to be a much more complete description with better drawings than the WO2013104042 A1 link. (Click on the options to translate to your language).
Thanks zeitsmachine for the link,
Liberty
Quote from: forest on August 19, 2013, 06:04:21 PM
Fabrice Andre knows the answer , which doesn't mean he has a working device (which I do not know). Just watch video and read carefully. Simple scientific fact is used...which is the most scientifically avoided task for research (they knew the answer and cover it ??? !!!)
do you speak french ? do you speak with fabrice andre ?
fabrice has no answear , he is speaking and speaking ... and nothing !
he said to open the device ... but nothing and nothing
so what are you waiting for ?
after 100 lectures with FA , what do you learned ? nothing !!
Quote from: Pirate88179 on August 18, 2013, 05:44:38 PM
No, we need to see lab coats. Without lab coats there is no credibility at all. That's just the way it is.
And the lab coats must feature some dirt. If it's too sober it looks like fake, and if it's too messy, it looks like a hobbyist who is sloppy in his experiments (and therefore mostly a non working device).
Is there ANYBODY that can post a SCHEMATIC or Circuit Diagram about this circuit??
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Quote from: FatBird on August 20, 2013, 08:26:13 PM
Is there ANYBODY that can post a SCHEMATIC or Circuit Diagram about this circuit??
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The circuit diagram is on page 4 by Hanon.
Input at the top, output at the bottom.
Quote from: a.king21 on August 20, 2013, 10:00:36 PM
The circuit diagram is on page 4 by Hanon.
Input at the top, output at the bottom.
That and there are plenty of details and diagrams in Patrick Kelly's latest update of Chapter 3 of his Free energy book as well as the text of the patent in his Appendix now maintained by Lamare at http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/ (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/) where you can download the book, chapter and/or Appendix.
I gave this a quick and dirty half hearted try. I think I spent a whole 15 minutes on it. I don't want it to discourage anyone from trying as it was a one shot quick try. I used an outside ground rod separate from the house electrical ground rod (although they are both close to the house) that is 8 foot long completely in the ground, copper clad type. I used a big MOT that was being fed from an isolation 1:1 transformer into the MOT secondary (high turns of fine gauge wire). I tried the primary of the MOT with the ground wire (12 gauge) wrapped around it. I also tried running a separate wire around the secondary with just 2 turns and tried the ground wrapped around it. Initially I was getting about 0.2 volts but I then reversed the input wires (think neutral and hot in house wiring) and I then got about 2 volts. I then tried hooking the ground directly to the 2 loop wire and saw 12 volts but not enough current to even light a little 5mm LED. I couldn't see any amps on my meter but I think when I went to the Fluke microamp scale I saw 1/10 of a microamp. So that should be enough to run my house .... LOL.
I could see there would be a lot of other ways to go about this and a whole lot of things I didn't try yet so don't let my quick test discourage anyone. It's really a simple device if there IS anything to it. I'm not sure I have all the details right and there is also the possibility that like most patents they hide something to make it less likely to be copied.
e2:
Wow, my earth battery outputs more than that and I have been able to light 400 leds, a 48" floro tube and also run a Bedini motor from it. (Not at the same time) I still don't see where these guys say the power is supposed to be coming from?
Thanks for reporting your tests.
Bill
Latest Barbosa leal video today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_xrj2y7Vg
Published on 23 Aug 2013
Power: 39.6 kW 220V
Generation capacity Month: 28,728 kWh
Equipment installed: Industrial application
If this is a patent investment free energy scam, it's the king of all free energy scams.
BTW I can't get it to work either.
Friends, please have hope but do not push hard . Do you think those sharks looking around are ready to give the goods people need ? Hmm...I really hope Barbosa can fix problems for poor people in Brasil giving them jobs and better dreams but what do you see ? An electric cooker for a poor family ? A home heating system for those burning everything around to get a bit af warm air ? Or maybe an air conditioner ?
No, just another meter. Like in late Kapanadze videos, when money took the soul of good man....Recall now the ealier Tariel videos and Ismael Aviso both talking about fixing local community problems....
This is clearly a criminal organization. I can imagine that they bribed a production manager at this small wood shop so he or she would let them into the shop to film. They put a sticker on an electrical box and then shot some video and put the clip up on YouTube.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 23, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
This is clearly a criminal organization. I can imagine that they bribed a production manager at this small wood shop so he or she would let them into the shop to film. They put a sticker on an electrical box and then shot some video and put the clip up on YouTube.
Totally agree
At worst it is what you state. At best, an 'electron trap' can be used to steal power from the grid. What it definitely is NOT is OU! If this were OU, you could take a AA battery and step up watts to anything you like. But no, you always see these scammers plugging into mains wall outlets and using sleight of hand with 9 volt batteries. LOL
Steven Mark was a con, Kapanadze and Bruces TPU is foolishness also. LOL @ schumann resonance.
Bruce TPU wasnt interested in the truth and deletes statements that point out errors in his thinking. This is not the path of 'scientific discovery". How many of you here actually test your theories on the bench before posting? I know what is fact because I test it all out. If you ever want to discover the truth for yourself dont wait for someone else to hand it on a platter. Do it yourself!
Happy testing!
Quote from: a.king21 on August 23, 2013, 01:48:31 PM
Latest Barbosa leal video today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_xrj2y7Vg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_xrj2y7Vg)
Published on 23 Aug 2013
Power: 39.6 kW 220V
Generation capacity Month: 28,728 kWh
Equipment installed: Industrial application
If this is a patent investment free energy scam, it's the king of all free energy scams.
BTW I can't get it to work either.
Well that video didn't last long - it's already MIA (missing). Could you give a brief description of what was in the video if there isn't another place it can be viewed?
BTW a helpful PM suggested I was using the wrong kind of wire in my test. I'm not exactly sure what is the right kind yet but I'm guessing it might be to do the 2 turn wrap with Iron wire instead of copper. Haven't tried that yet but I will.
Quote from: lightningengineer on August 23, 2013, 08:16:27 PM
Bruce TPU wasnt interested in the truth and deletes statements that point out errors in his thinking. This is not the path of 'scientific discovery". How many of you here actually test your theories on the bench before posting? I know what is fact because I test it all out. If you ever want to discover the truth for yourself dont wait for someone else to hand it on a platter. Do it yourself!
Happy testing!
Oops!! I must come and defend Bruce_TPU. In my opinion, he is not a con and his real intention is just to build the SM's TPU replica or something alike that will work. I see him as a dreamer with strong willpower but (unfortunately) SM fanatic. The Bible and SM are equal truth for him (unfortunately). Yes, I have the privilege to watch his present work through my (small) contribution, so, this is my conclusion.
Quote from: e2matrix on August 23, 2013, 09:16:11 PM
I'm not exactly sure what is the right kind yet but I'm guessing it might be to do the 2 turn wrap with Iron wire instead of copper. Haven't tried that yet but I will.
Iron wire? Copper wire? If wound bifilar then this sounds a lot like the work of Nathan Stubblefield with his earth batteries. Of course, if it is not real than the relationship does not matter.
Bill
Don't forget the insulation. Different colors of insulation have different effects.
That is what screws people up when they start working with electronic circuits and house wiring. In electronic circuits the black insulation always means Ground, and in house wiring the black insulation always means Death. So it's no wonder people get confused -- not to mention the electrons.
And don't get me started about the red insulation.
That's why I always use bare wires whenever possible. A coil wound with completely bare wire has some very interesting OU effects, you should try it.
I take it that's a bit of sarcasm TK but true on the color of wiring insulation. I agree it was a bad choice someone made along the way to have white for ground or neutral in house wiring with black the hot side considering standard battery or electronics is black for ground or negative with red for positive. And of course there is the other hot leg in 240 VAC house wiring being red normally. I started with electronics when I was very young but later wired 2 houses completely so I got used to both systems but still think it's something that could have been done differently when deciding on NEC wire colors.
I grew up playing with dc. (car stereos, etc) Then, I got into house wiring. I asked the electrician i was working with if the white was the ground. He said no, it was the neutral and has no relationship to ground whatsoever. Fine. What did I see at the breaker box? All the white wires went to a bus bar that was....yes....tied to ground. I agree the colors could have been handled better. Then I got into 240 3 phase at our machine shop...that is really weird.
Bill
Sarcasm? Moi?
The problem with ill-specified, or no, testable hypotheses and hand-waving explanations and so on is that it is always possible for the claimant to claim your "replication" failed to produce the needed results because you didn't duplicate some essential feature. What, your TPU doesn't work? Maybe it's not exactly the right diameter. Your MyLOW replication won't spin on its own? Well you can see that the magnets need to be precisely located to the hundredth of a millimeter. Your Brazilian selfpowered energy from the ground doesn't work even though you followed the patent exactly? You are clearly on the wrong side of the planet, it only works in the Southern Hemisphere.
TK, you should know things work better in the southern hemisphere because everything is upside down. For instance they all have blood rushing to their heads down there.
Good to see your back with all your wit, humor and surgical precision.
Kind Regards
@TK
Over here the black insulated wire is neutral.
Red,Brown and white are hot.
Black and blue are neutral
Green,green with yellow stripe are ground.
So here you can hold the black,blue,green and green with yellow stripe wires,and nothing will happen-provided the house is wired correctly lol.
@ tinman
well actually they adopted the European System Australia but as kid I remember we had red, black and green. You made a good point....provided they wired the house correctly.
Mark
That is pretty scary, I didn't know that the wiring colors were different "down under". All kidding aside, I've heard of people being electrocuted because somebody wired an outlet incorrectly and the wrong wire was actually hot.
The moral being: Know your local codes, use a meter to confirm your wiring, and be careful!
Just make sure the breaker is off then still test it with a meter, be very very careful snaking a wire into the main panel (hot box)
I burnt a snake into sparks everywhere scared the daylights out of me, lucky Im still here.
Dear all!
I'm a new member of this forum. My English is bad , but will try. I'm reading a document of Vladimir Utkin then saw Barbosa and Leal's diagram same like Utkin's which he was description (pages 5-29,30,...). So, what is your think ??
Tony:
Welcome to the forum. Can you post a link to Vlad's document?
Thanks,
Bill
Hi Bill!
Vladimir Utkin has article call is "Nicola Tesla's secrets for everybody" which Patrick J.Kelly mentioned in "Practical guide to free energy devices" ,too . Overunity has 1 directory of "Vladimir Utkin" and many other thread too (I'm searching agains).
I'm sorry! Correct is here:
www.overunity.com/solid state devices/62 pages of Vladimir Utkin by Patrick Kelly Everything we have been searching
Hope that you reading thorough. I think that Barbosa and Leal were copy all from Tesla's diagrams.
Hey Pirate!
I have followed your posts and video's for the past few months....read the entire NS thread before joining. :o In fact, I am in the process of winding my ground coil. This looks to me like an attempt to take ground energy and amplify it using a different style of prime for "the pump". ::) Maybe what looks like junk on the surface can be combined with what we have (my ground experiments with only rods work) and reconfigured to actually produce something more. Something to at least play with.
Thanks for all of your work and posts.
Ken
Quote from: ecKen on August 29, 2013, 12:36:44 AM
Hey Pirate!
I have followed your posts and video's for the past few months....read the entire NS thread before joining. :o In fact, I am in the process of winding my ground coil. This looks to me like an attempt to take ground energy and amplify it using a different style of prime for "the pump". ::) Maybe what looks like junk on the surface can be combined with what we have (my ground experiments with only rods work) and reconfigured to actually produce something more. Something to at least play with.
Thanks for all of your work and posts.
Ken
Ken:
Thank you for all of your kind words. I really appreciate that. Welcome to OU.com.
I mentioned early on in this topic somewhere about this possibly being related to Stubblefield's work. I am not sure if it is or not as I am still not sure as to what these guys are actually doing, if anything. I am in a sort of wait and see mode on this one.
I look forward to seeing some of your experiments.
Thanks again,
Bill
Bill,
Thanks for the welcome. I too am in watch mode here. I will post all data from my experiments...probably here as it seems closely related to the NS stuff. The high amperage fits with my thoughts on the ground power; except that I think it has to be load specific. If you recall, NS had arc lamps working 24/7 on the "hills" around him. To me that means that once the pump is primed and delivering power he did not want to turn it off. Superstition or maybe it was too hard to actually hit the right combination of voltage / frequency / whatever to get the electricity to flow? Who knows. Maybe that's our enigma. :o Still fun to have something to play with. ::)
Thanks again,
Ken
Energy from the ground?? what a cool idea!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w
Can somebody PLEASE post a WIRING DIAGRAM for this?
What good is a YouTube Video without a schematic or wiring diagram?
Even a little kid would know that. I thought we were Professional Knowledgeable Adults here, but maybe not??
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Another test posted in Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A)
According to the descrition: Input: 127 V, 0.5 A ; Output: 165 V , 4A . Again, the schematic is missing.
Hi guys.
Has anybody actually tried as stated in http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/PJKBook.html - page 196 ?
I tried to use the microwave oven transformer and low DC voltage (24V, also pulsed) . The transformer has couple turns of heating wire in middle which I used as closed loop and I hooked up the earth wire on it. With my DC I didn't get what I expected. I will try the 12V battery and AC inverter tomorrow. Finger cross :)
According the Brazilian newspaper, yesterday the owners of Evoluçoes Energia was taken the policy headquarters in Imperatriz, Brazil to explain why they had 2 electric meters normally use by electric concessionary in their lab.
Also, they confiscated every equipment that they had. This include one that a friend of friend bought and was supposed to be installed today.
Very awkward
http://oprogressonet.com/noticiario/14822/policia/2013/10/4/empresarios-sao-presos-acusados-de-receptacao/ (http://oprogressonet.com/noticiario/14822/policia/2013/10/4/empresarios-sao-presos-acusados-de-receptacao/)
Google Translate from the link so kindly provided above:
Entrepreneurs are arrested for receiving stolen
( Nilson Barbosa talking about the case to the press )
PROGRESS
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Investigations of the Department of Defense Service Delegates ( DDSD ) , an agency of the State Superintendent of Criminal Investigations ( SEIC ) , started from a complaint of Companhia Energetica do Maranhao ( CEMAR ) .
The delegate Paulo Roberto Medeiros Carvalho chaired the inquiry opened to investigate the allegations of Justice and had the determination to carry out search and seizure of equipment to capture energy from the earth .
Would be made at the place where the search and seizure , we found three energy meters , which entrepreneurs and Cleriston Nilson Barbosa Leal had borrowed the Cooperative Rural Electrification . However , these meters had been seized by the Labor Court for payment of labor claims . It is noteworthy that the meters are proprietary Cemar .
Therefore , entrepreneurs and Cleriston Nilson Barbosa Leal were charged for receiving . Nilson said PROGRESS equipment that have been approved by an engineer Cemar , that even did a report that is on the internet . " This invention is patented and we are doing nothing hidden . Everything is being openly . Already had contact including the Minister Lobao days ago and we exposed our invention in Fecoimp , " Nilson said Barbosa .
The two entrepreneurs took corpus delicti and were at the Regional . The lawyers filed yesterday with bail application , which in this case can only be awarded in the judgment , and the two businessmen would be set free by the judicial duty .
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Thank you Ariovaldo for posting this info.
Bill
Quote from: FatBird on September 02, 2013, 08:19:45 PM
Can somebody PLEASE post a WIRING DIAGRAM for this?
What good is a YouTube Video without a schematic or wiring diagram?
Even a little kid would know that. I thought we were Professional Knowledgeable Adults here, but maybe not??
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From the video
2 transformer primaries 1 and 2 in parallel and connected to 220 v ac supply
Tr 1 and TR2 secondary one turn each on series connected o the primry one turn to close the 6 mm copper single wire
the output of TR 3 is connected to load lamp
Battery cable is an alternative
for the new version using earth
dc to ac inverter to the above circuit
TR3 output one to load and the other to earth
this is my interpretation correct me if im wrong
Dreamyear has YT like this
Everyone is working up a good ground connection right ;)
8 ft rod with 10 ga stranded, a water pipe may be better :-\
Quote from: totoalas on October 06, 2013, 05:44:36 AM
From the video
2 transformer primaries 1 and 2 in parallel and connected to 220 v ac supply
Tr 1 and TR2 secondary one turn each on series connected o the primry one turn to close the 6 mm copper single wire
the output of TR 3 is connected to load lamp
Battery cable is an alternative
for the new version using earth
dc to ac inverter to the above circuit
TR3 output one to load and the other to earth
this is my interpretation correct me if im wrong
Dreamyear has YT like this
Update from 1st circuit
Using 3 identical transformers 220 v to 24 v ac 10 watts and a 220 v ac 50 hz 10 watts bulb
Input current 0.4 amps output current to lamp is 0.2 amps
Will try to modify the 24 v ac coil into a stranded 6 mm wire tomorrow
Is there any simple method to measure ground reistance ? I know there are specialized meters but I couldn't afford buying one....
Ground resistance can be improve by imitating what TK showed in his back-yard video, by adding salt water to the grounding rod and surrounding areas. Or if you have a water well, the ground can be inserted into it. Which is similar to what Akula 0083 is doing, instead. But, he is also using a thick 10 meter long ground cable, to get to it, which is not an option. Shorter ground connections won't work, at least that's what he said. So, it may be acting as an antenna, as well as a ground. Interesting ideas that still need some testing, by us.
we add salt to galvanized plates / earth rod in our 11kv substation
So a well with a 5 meters of iron pipe underground system is a good electrical ground ? how good is it ? That's the problem. In case of Kapanadze green box video ground had to be able to sink 23Amps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A&feature=player_embedded
Carlos schematic!
Quote from: x_name41 on October 07, 2013, 03:13:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A&feature=player_embedded)
Carlos schematic!
Using above schematic
220 v ac 0.4 amps input loop current 120 amps load 60 w lamp w/o load is 68 amps
the loop cable is a 5 mm stranded wire its too hot after 2 minutes you cannot touch it
I think that s why they used big size cable for the ampacity rise
In the video he used solid copper wire used in earthing for the loop
two transformer is enough the other transformer must have no modification like for example 1 kw transformer if you used it for air conditioner my next test?????
Did anybody tried with one transformer as on the picture from their patent application? They use 2-3 windings of closed and polarized (+) loop with the grounding wire hanging on it (not electrically connected). Also I do not think they use complete transformer . In one of their video there is possible to see that one of the coils is missing?
Barbosa leal replication 081013 yt totoalas using carlos schematic
Quote from: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 02:09:38 AM
Barbosa leal replication 081013 yt totoalas using carlos schematic
You mentioned earlier of using 6 mm stranded wire for the loop, did you find that the power output was higher with the larger wire?
What was your input to output power level results?
Thanks for sharing your experiment results on this very interesting design.
Cheers
Is the energy coming from the ground or the long transmission line, if you notice their ground line is long as well.
Would a long bifilar connected to ground work ;)
Are we seeing a common denominator here with all these devices.
Maybe :D
Quote from: vrand on October 08, 2013, 03:34:09 AM
You mentioned earlier of using 6 mm stranded wire for the loop, did you find that the power output was higher with the larger wire?
What was your input to output power level results?
Thanks for sharing your experiment results on this very interesting design.
Cheers
Yes on the loop only .... never measured on the light bub yet but the loop cable surely will melt with this current just like touching a hot iron
Quote from: Dave45 on October 08, 2013, 09:03:44 AM
Maybe :D
Talking about windings on an earth ground ;)
Here is a youtube on
Stubblefield Earth Cell Battery Demonstrationhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmNoLfjIEac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmNoLfjIEac)
QuoteThis is a demonstration of Nathan Stubblefield's invention, the Earth Cell Battery, patented in 1898 (patent no 600,457). It is a coil that when immersed in the earth's surface taps telluric currents of the earth that can be read with a voltimeter.
Two different wires wound on coil then berried in ground, insulated copper wire and iron wire.
Quote from: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 11:08:40 AM
Yes on the loop only .... never measured on the light bub yet but the loop cable surely will melt with this current just like touching a hot iron
Any special ground designs used? Barbosa also had an aerial patent design that did not need a ground connection?
Quote from: vrand on October 08, 2013, 11:51:07 AM
Any special ground designs used? Barbosa also had an aerial patent design that did not need a ground connection?
Output current measured on the bulb is 0.3 Amps
The loop cable temperature rise from 25 to 70 deg C at the termination point of the end loop cable in 5 minutes which melted the plastic in the terminal block
The reason for the heat at the termination end of the loop is it must pass to a coil to absorb the heat and not to a 2 turn coil I made ... Carlos used the third coil to close the loop.... mine used the two turn coil from same wire loop
The earth ground is another circuit thats another test
from my tests we just need to put the right size of third transformer for ex 1 kw for air conditioning never tried it yet
Quote from: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 12:31:19 PM
Output current measured on the bulb is 0.3 Amps
The loop cable temperature rise from 25 to 70 deg C at the termination point of the end loop cable in 5 minutes which melted the plastic in the terminal block
The reason for the heat at the termination end of the loop is it must pass to a coil to absorb the heat and not to a 2 turn coil I made ... Carlos used the third coil to close the loop.... mine used the two turn coil from same wire loop
The earth ground is another circuit thats another test
from my tests we just need to put the right size of third transformer for ex 1 kw for air conditioning never tried it yet
Is your setup with 2 transformers, or 3 like Carlos? If 2 do you plan on trying out with 3 transformers?
my set up used 3 transformers with the third as output tothe 60 watts lamp
Carlos has confirmed the set up and in the right direction and explore
Quote from: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 12:59:52 PM
my set up used 3 transformers with the third as output tothe 60 watts lamp
Carlos has confirmed the set up and in the right direction and explore
Okay, thank you for the description. Please post a photo or video when you get a chance, as a picture is worth a thousand words :)
Quote from: vrand on October 08, 2013, 12:56:26 PM
Is your setup with 2 transformers, or 3 like Carlos? If 2 do you plan on trying out with 3 transformers?
I tried several configurations and none of them got OU. I got some others ideas and I share with you guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yp57lgCXc4I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yp57lgCXc4I)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y3E5gLvc25o
In the first video, 2 transformers having 110 volts input in the primary ( transformer 1) and one 100 watts light bulb in the secondary ( transformer 2). The amps in the primary is 4.8A.
In the second video, the same 2 transformer but I put one of them in the top of the other. The amps drops to 2.4 A. The voltage in the secondary still the same.
This was just a test. I connect 3 transformer as my friend Carlos did and I had the same results.
By the way, using 1 transformer ans put 2 turns in the secondary in short circuit, the current goes to more than 100 Amps....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8Fo-rjD1ys
Quote from: Dave45 on October 08, 2013, 09:03:44 AM
Maybe :D
Good. Thinking out of the box.....
I tried that with copper. I will try using different material...Copper and iron for example....
Best Regards
Quote from: vrand on October 08, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
Okay, thank you for the description. Please post a photo or video when you get a chance, as a picture is worth a thousand words :)
ps check barbosa leal replication 081013 youtube totoalas
Quote from: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 01:31:10 PM
ps check barbosa leal replication 081013 youtube totoalas
Thank you for posting the videos. Was there a separate ground wire connection (loops?) to your added large closed loop coil wire? Where did the ground wire tie to? Building ground wire system or separate ground rod outside?
Quote from: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 01:31:10 PM
ps check barbosa leal replication 081013 youtube totoalas
Good job my friend.
Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: ariovaldo on October 08, 2013, 01:09:50 PM
I tried several configurations and none of them got OU. I got some others ideas and I share with you guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yp57lgCXc4I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yp57lgCXc4I)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y3E5gLvc25o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y3E5gLvc25o)
In the first video, 2 transformers having 110 volts input in the primary ( transformer 1) and one 100 watts light bulb in the secondary ( transformer 2). The amps in the primary is 4.8A.
In the second video, the same 2 transformer but I put one of them in the top of the other. The amps drops to 2.4 A. The voltage in the secondary still the same.
This was just a test. I connect 3 transformer as my friend Carlos did and I had the same results.
By the way, using 1 transformer ans put 2 turns in the secondary in short circuit, the current goes to more than 100 Amps....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8Fo-rjD1ys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8Fo-rjD1ys)
Thank you for sharing your experiment results. Yes, 100 amps needs that big wire :)
I didn't see the ground wire connected to the loop? What size was that wire and where did you ground it? House ground or separate ground connection outside?
Quote from: vrand on October 08, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
Thank you for posting the videos. Was there a separate ground wire connection (loops?) to your added large closed loop coil wire? Where did the ground wire tie to? Building ground wire system or separate ground rod outside?
No earthing wire is used only carlos schematic
I am not sure about all this. Did you actually get OU? It looks to me just like messing with active and reactive component of power and it is very normal the wire gets very hot because the electromagnetic induction. Barbosa and Lea they say the electron trap works on the principle of inducting electrons from the grounding wire which has no electrical contact with the loop. To be honest with you I can't imagine how the small hook of wire can induct so much power into the loop. "The surface matter" I can imagine the grounding wire wrapped all around the loop. I will try it as soon as I will get the transformers.
Quote from: John.K1 on October 08, 2013, 02:02:46 PM
I am not sure about all this. Did you actually get OU? It looks to me just like messing with active and reactive component of power and it is very normal the wire gets very hot because the electromagnetic induction. Barbosa and Lea they say the electron trap works on the principle of inducting electrons from the grounding wire which has no electrical contact with the loop. To be honest with you I can't imagine how the small hook of wire can induct so much power into the loop. "The surface matter" I can imagine the grounding wire wrapped all around the loop. I will try it as soon as I will get the transformers.
Here is Barbosa and Leal original video demonstration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)
Is that the small green wire the grounding wire loop, which looks to be at least 1 turn on the large loop cable, the main grounding wire ?
That green wire looks like a 12 awg next to that 0000 awg wire? No way it could push 1000 amps.
Something else is happening with that ground wire than just pushing amp?
Quote from: vrand on October 08, 2013, 01:51:41 PM
Thank you for sharing your experiment results. Yes, 100 amps needs that big wire :)
I didn't see the ground wire connected to the loop? What size was that wire and where did you ground it? House ground or separate ground connection outside?
As I said, I tried several configurations and this one in the movie does show the ground. My ground is a industrial one and I saw no difference or any residual current....Still more tests to be done.
By the way, the loop current, as you can see in the video, goes to 1000 Amps at the starts and drops to 900 Amps. I could't keep on for more than 30 seconds. cable is 4/0.
I am also a little bit confused with using the AC. The condition was to have POLARISED LOOP (+) . It is quite logical as the grounding potential is (-) and with the help of magnetic field can be free electrons attracted or pushed in to the loop. But this is not case of AC (i think) Also , I could imagine better functionality with very sharp ON/OF - not sinus?
I think they used the ground / loop induction and transformer secondary one open line to limit the increase of current in the loop
the electron trap is in the loop cable
using 3 transformers with 2 turns each the third to the 220 v ac / 12 v dc converter back to the 12 v dc battery that supplies the 2 parallel primary of transformer 1 and 2
the loop in the third transformer is extended and closed by a 4th coil primary 400 / 220 v ac and secondary open line to one leg of load
earth to another leg of load
Now you have a self generating power supply hope somebody will try this
John.K1:
I'm not sure about any of this, either. Maybe Toto can try it and let us know if he ever obtains any positive results.
"The condition was to have POLARISED LOOP (+)" .
Can you explain what is meant by having a "POLARIZED LOOP", in this case.
I guess POLARIZED LOOP simply means to connect it to the positive terminal? As on the picture I posted before? That's what I read in their patent application? Have to experiment with that. And to be honest with you I do not believe it is so simple as they state. If yes - is here anybody who proved OU on that simple device? Sorry my pessimism 8) I have no transformers to mess with that at the moment. I am just winding the E core and will try to use pulsed DC , 3 loops of pickup wire and grounding wire winded on that.
Leonardo bezerra has an interesting analysis of Barbosa diagram you can check out on my YT channel
So is this video possibly showing the same idea? Or is it just a fake??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4)
truesearch
I attempted a replication using 3 large toroid transformers, 4 turns each for the center wire loop, using a variac for input (~100 to 230VAC @ 50hz), with the ground connection as per the patent. Nothing out of the ordinary occurred. I measured the voltage on the output end and it was ~50VAC at about 200VAC. At 230VAC it was enough to light a 75W incandescent light bulb as a load, however the input wattage was not OU (or even close to it).
My ground wire was looped around the center wire - I also tried it connected, and also forming a loop like a 1 to 1 air core transformer.
Note that I did not use my household ground - instead I used a seperate grounding rod I use for HV stuff that consists of thick copper wire connected to a large fencing hinge buried in the ground which I water prior to use.
As is to be expected with so few turns of wire as the secondary, the center wire loop did heat up quickly.
Assuming the patent is valid in terms of producing OU via ground fed electrons, it may be that more sophisticated electronics/configuration is required for resonance etc. The patent mentions both AC and DC input are applicable however this may simply be a statement to maximise the scope of the patent.
Truesearch: Thanks for link. It looks very similar to Kapanadze. I understand a little bit what he say and the point was again to get right resonance. His device we can see is around 1 KW and he attempt to make a device 2-3 KW. Even if this is a fake I still believe it is possible to make something like that. I think, point is to not think the resonance only but also capacitance,rotational magnetic field and the property of copper ( transmutation ability - kicking effect)
I too have failed to replicate the Barbosa-Leal patent.
Under international patent law a patent is only valid if it contains sufficient information for an operative
skilled in the art to replicate the device.
Therefore these guys do NOT have a valid patent and anyone who discovers the secret
can patent their discovery.
Simple as that.
That goes also for Kapanadze.
Under patent law you are legally allowed to make a replication for your own personal use.
Following the suggestion in yt
Instead of copper tube o wrapped .6mm magnet wire around 6mm cable
I cannot make a loop due to increase in diameter so i just inserted the cable in 3 secondary transformers and then connect the earth to magnet wire
I used 12 v battery inverter and consumed 900 ma dc to light a load of one 5 watt led lamp and no more light will light up
Direct 220 v ac produced the same cause no turns made in the 3 transformer
To control the avalanche current loop cable must be onserted into a cpper or aluminum tubing
Next test will be with microwave ovem transformer
Quote from: a.king21 on October 10, 2013, 08:14:41 AM
I too have failed to replicate the Barbosa-Leal patent.
Under international patent law a patent is only valid if it contains sufficient information for an operative
skilled in the art to replicate the device.
Therefore these guys do NOT have a valid patent and anyone who discovers the secret
can patent their discovery.
Simple as that.
That goes also for Kapanadze.
Under patent law you are legally allowed to make a replication for your own personal use.
Dear King,
Besides patents and rights etc ect, IMO Barbosa - Leal patent as well as Kapanadze device as has been depicted, fall short of a scientific fact besides the energy generation.
How a device can constitute such a huge capacitance so that working in a relative slow frequency (50 Hz etc) can oscillate from ground to device such ridiculously high currents as 10 20 or 30 amps.
Even a huge Tesla coil, with a gigantic topload (say 200pf) operating at increadibly high voltage 200Kv of
smooth resonance (not spiked) having an inductive impedance of 10mH operating at 100Khz plus, will oscillate at this high frequency an average 9 amps.
How a small device, not even showing signs of electrostatic charge, one wire to ground connected and oscillating a current of 10,20,30 amps can exist?
Its not a small detail. Its an impossibility according standard methodologies and should be treated with skepticism.
This is may first test of Barbosa device. It is very interestingly.
Quote from: a.king21 on October 10, 2013, 08:14:41 AM
I too have failed to replicate the Barbosa-Leal patent.
Under international patent law a patent is only valid if it contains sufficient information for an operative
skilled in the art to replicate the device.
Therefore these guys do NOT have a valid patent and anyone who discovers the secret
can patent their discovery.
Simple as that.
That goes also for Kapanadze.
Under patent law you are legally allowed to make a replication for your own personal use.
Skilled in what art! - faking / skulduggery? More than enough information to do that!! ;D
You still seem convinced the Kapanadze hangs on to the secret of how his devices self-run. Surely now is the time for you to make him a final monetary offer before someone else discovers his secret, if they have not already done so. If he has any head for business, then he will surely take your offer as he knows time is running short. Its got to be a win-win situation with Tariel sitting on a wad of money and you with the device that you know is a self-runner and can make you a richer man. What's holding you back?
These patents actually has made me think that for all these years we have been taught wrong. The energy flows out of the earth/ground and not in.
So when we stick a metal pole in to the ground we are encouraging the energy to flow out and not current to be returned in to the ground.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on October 11, 2013, 07:40:25 AM
These patents actually has made me think that for all these years we have been taught wrong. The energy flows out of the earth/ground and not in.
So when we stick a metal pole in to the ground we are encouraging the energy to flow out and not current to be returned in to the ground.
So how do we draw the energy from the ground?
@leely,
First seek how a "one terminal oscillator" can oscillate such currents in-out from the ground. Milestone one..
ps: I realy need Verpies contribution on the subject
And this pipe must be connected to earth ground . In the patent Barbosa Leal said the ground wire should be connected to the thick wire through magnetic induction . I believe also that the loads are not placed on the thick wire circuit but the circuit ground wire.
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Good afternoon , I've been studying the patent Barbosa Leal and realized I : 1 - The secondary windings of the transformers do not seem to be conventional , 2 - There are two transformers , one he calls the coil and the other inducer . The transformer coil believe this is wrapped in a conventional manner ( the counterclockwise ) . The transformer inductor should be wound this the opposite of the first ( clockwise ) . be continue
Quote from: Leely on October 11, 2013, 08:17:31 AM
So how do we draw the energy from the ground?
If we knew the answer to this, the Kapanadze thread would not be 1297 pages long!
Quote from: Leely on October 11, 2013, 08:17:31 AM
So how do we draw the energy from the ground?
I am so frusteraited I have forgoten the name of the Russian guy doing an experiment. Picture a car ignitian coil connected in the middle of two diodes connected in series.
Also I am beginning to think of the output coil of a Tesla coil differently.
All are eager to replicate Barbosa, Kapanadze or the frenchman's device that sucks energy from the ground in terms of oscillating current but nobody gives a sh...t IF its even possible via one wire to achieve that.
I have thought this in the past and tried unsuccessfully to just make it happen. You are all fond of Tesla's work but you do not even aknowledge this.. little bothering issue.
Actually indeed Tesla has suggested that and its found in his notes.
:)
ps: we are not talking about free energy, just one terminal oscillator large capacitance
Quote from: Shokac on October 11, 2013, 04:29:25 AM
This is may first test of Barbosa device. It is very interestingly.
Where do you place the connections for output loads? Use any ground connection?
Quote from: totoalas on October 11, 2013, 08:37:01 AM
And this pipe must be connected to earth ground . In the patent Barbosa Leal said the ground wire should be connected to the thick wire through magnetic induction . I believe also that the loads are not placed on the thick wire circuit but the circuit ground wire.
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Good afternoon , I've been studying the patent Barbosa Leal and realized I : 1 - The secondary windings of the transformers do not seem to be conventional , 2 - There are two transformers , one he calls the coil and the other inducer . The transformer coil believe this is wrapped in a conventional manner ( the counterclockwise ) . The transformer inductor should be wound this the opposite of the first ( clockwise ) . be continue
QuoteLeonaldo Bezerra 1 day ago
The transformer secondary to produce two equal poles should be wrapped as follows, start the first round, when you find the wire wich started the loop pass over it, down wire that is being rolled up, pass under the wire where it began coil and then all the way back to the beginning of the loop. This way you produce two equal poles. Do not forget that the other transformer all has to be exactly the opposite
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Yes, the Barbosa-Leal patents shows North-South poles in transformers and lining them up NS-NS-NS in several configerations.
In my work and testing of the Exciter circuits "energy from thin air", as in the different Dr. Stiffler type of oscillators, I had placed a diode (or AV plug) on the earth ground, and found the the energy is "flowing" into the direction of the device, from the ground, and not to the ground, as in normal "grounding" operations. And this extra energy can be measured with a meter, and is also accumulative into capacitors, and batteries.
Now, could it be that there is no actual "flow" going on, neither into, nor out of, the Earth itself? But, instead there is a polarization effect that is happening. Possibly, not of electrons, but more similar to Ions? Which are also similar to how photons can create light. And that this polarization effect is causing a polarity of this "static current", which can be tapped into, and utilized to make useable electricity. And, it's this polarization process, and not a flow, as we are currently assuming, that is what is causing the bulbs to light. Without any "flow" at all, but with a polarity, similar to a magnet. As there are no electrons flowing in a magnet, yet most all known sources of electricity production are using magnets to create and manufacture electricity.
Just as lightning can light the sky, yet, without traveling as we are being taught, still.
A polarization effect, without any actual "movement", at all. Static polarization.
Think about it, don't let what we have been "taught" catch us with our pants down.
If we are to figure out the cause and effect of free energy, we need to think differently, outside the "BOX", as it's not going to come from the same concepts as we have been taught, as when we are connected to a closed loop grid source.
My contribution here is to instigate the idea, that, there is no movement going on, at all, but a "polarization process and effect" similar to a magnet, instead.
Magnets don't run out of energy, because they are not the source of it. Although in time, their ability to create this useable polarity diminishes.
Don't argue the point, please. Just think about it...
Quote from: vrand on October 11, 2013, 10:43:57 AM
Where do you place the connections for output loads? Use any ground connection?
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.
Ground! :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground :) :)
This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.
Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.
Quote from: Shokac on October 11, 2013, 01:02:59 PM
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.
Ground! :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground :) :)
This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.
Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.
Interesting, so don't need ground, that would make this design portable :)
How many turns did you wind on your transformers with the new heavy gauge wire, wire size, photo of your setup?
Quote from: Shokac on October 11, 2013, 01:02:59 PM
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.
Ground! :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground :) :)
This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.
Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.
Wrap the short circuit in a tesla coil bifilar cw n ccw to connect both ends to load as in slayer ckt
Wrap the
Quote from: Shokac on October 11, 2013, 01:02:59 PM
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.
Ground! :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground :) :)
This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.
Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.
So dear Shokac,
You dismissed all the indications that barbosa and Kapanadze device as well SR etc that need a solid one wire ground and say that free energy can be achieved without.
Why you not dismiss in the same manner the free energy fact as well? :)
Quote from: vrand on October 11, 2013, 01:48:54 PM
Interesting, so don't need ground, that would make this design portable :)
How many turns did you wind on your transformers with the new heavy gauge wire, wire size, photo of your setup?
Secundary must have min 2 turns, max 4-5. With one turn can not get the poles. Wire...... the thicker wires, higher currents will be induced.
Barbosa says that electricity must induce opposite poles from preset multiple windings.
Read all 4 patents, especially the one with the "air".
Fig.9 shows the circuit diagram of the device, indicating the effect of electromagnetic field.
Quote from: baroutologos on October 12, 2013, 01:43:35 AM
So dear Shokac,
You dismissed all the indications that barbosa and Kapanadze device as well SR etc that need a solid one wire ground and say that free energy can be achieved without.
Why you not dismiss in the same manner the free energy fact as well? :)
The first question.
Why ground?
Testatika no need ground... Barbosa in 3 patent not mentioned ground. Akula in his first video no need ground (Device work the same with ground and without ground).
Tesla use ground for second wire in his air transmision device.
Ground is use only for safe, because the N-wires in places poorly grounded.
Energy from ground... without ground.. right :)
It depends what you need. If you need electrons then take it from ground or if you want to protect device from burning then dump excess energy to ground. Edwin Gray used deep cycle batteries but they often exploded....
http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw (http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw)
work in progrss
Quote from: Shokac on October 12, 2013, 02:11:59 AM
Secundary must have min 2 turns, max 4-5. With one turn can not get the poles. Wire...... the thicker wires, higher currents will be induced.
Barbosa says that electricity must induce opposite poles from preset multiple windings.
Read all 4 patents, especially the one with the "air".
Fig.9 shows the circuit diagram of the device, indicating the effect of electromagnetic field.
Yeah the "air" patent translated from Pat Kelly's A Practical Guide to 'Free-Energy' Devices
ELECTROMAGNETIC DEVICE FOR CAPTURING FREE
SPACE ELECTRONS TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY Application Number: BR2013/000014
Publication Date: 07/18/2013
Filing Date: 01/11/2013
Assignee: EVOLUÇÕES ENERGIA LTDA (Rua Santa Tereza 1427-B Centro - Imperatriz -, MA - CEP -470 -
Maranhão, 65900, BR)
QuoteObjectives of the Invention
The present invention aims to contribute to the generation of sustainable energy, proposing electromagnetic
equipment capable of producing abundant electricity from an extremely low input of electrical energy.
The above objective and other objectives are achieved in the present invention by a device comprising at least
three sets of at least one electromagnetic field generating device (without a core or with at least one core)
powered by an electrical power source, having their cores or any extension of them, with their coils or sets of
coils, wound on at least one common conductive member in a closed circuit which is polarised by a voltage
source, and these sets of electromagnetic field generating devices are arranged with their poles in confrontation,
to promote the interaction of electromagnetic fields, and, preferably, positioned between two hollow metallic
hemispheres, in order to focus and enhance their electromagnetic fields - these interactions cause a new
technical effect - the emergence of an electric current which keeps flowing in a closed loop, with or without voltage
being applied to that closed loop, current which is capable of powering external loads - even if no load is attached
to it.
The device which is the object of the present invention operates as follows: Sets of electromagnetic field
generating devices to be powered by an electrical power source, produce an electromagnetic field which induces
an electric current in a closed conductive circuit, creating an interaction between the magnetic poles, and through
repeated electromagnetic attraction and repulsion, provides an endless supply of electrons to the conductive
closed loop itself.
The electrons attracted by this technique, augment the current flowing in the closed conductive loop, which
provides the current to power external loads of high power, in spite of the fact that the device itself is supplied with
only a small level of power. Thus, advantageously, the device which is disclosed in the present invention forms a
trap for electrons from space, resulting in the generation of electricity. The interconnections of the components of
the electron-trap cause, a new technical effect, namely, the appearance of an electric current which keeps circling
in a closed circuit, even without any voltage being applied to the closed circuit, and even without a load being
connected to it. The present electromagnetic equipment generates electricity or thermal energy, providing access
to this new source of energy through the use of an electromagnetic field.
This design reminds me of the stove cook-top induction heating units of pots and pans to cook food. Here they use the transformers induction with an added closed loop coil to also create an electrical current loop to then tap free electrical energy. This also looks like the electrical version of Edward Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder with magnetic circuit.
Here is Fig. 12 from the "air" patent that shows their theory of the "electron trap" and how the electrons being repelled and attracted without resistance in a closed loop perceptual electric current flow.
Could it really be this simple to extract "free" electrical energy?
Back in Tesla's time there was common talk of free energy electrical devices to power homes and industry that were to be available to the public marketplace within a years time.
More similarities of the Barbosa/Leal "air" coil patent with Mark Steven and Tesla designs.
vrand
;) ;D ;D ;D
Something to consider : read statements by Harry Perrigo (electrical engineer!!! working in power plant for years!!!). You would understand something about "the problems".
I would say you a story (harrsing it with my simple english) .It is a story of the son of great sheikh.Son who had fallen in love in ordinary poor girl.
His father told him : why you bother with this poor girl ?, I have 1000 in my harem, go and check them....
Son was a man with great intellect so he convinced himself that father is right. The next 5 years he "poked" another women in harem each night and then he realised it is all in vein because he can't stop loving this poor girl. The point is - it was far too late to change the way he lived.... and so is for the elite....
forest :)
Harry Perrigo also had an interesting invention Etheric Wave Accumulator that never made it to the marketplace, in that case it looked really complicated and labor intensive to build and also difficult to get it working.
Another excellent Info package from Rexresearch http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm)
Cheers
Quote from: totoalas on October 13, 2013, 02:00:14 AM
http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw (http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw)
work in progrss
System grounded
Will remove the iron core on all 4 and replace with ring magnets in insulated paper
Quote from: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 12:59:52 PM
my set up used 3 transformers with the third as output tothe 60 watts lamp
Carlos has confirmed the set up and in the right direction and explore
load test using above set up
No load
input 0.5 amps 230 v ac
loop current 140 amps
output 0 amps
with load
input 0.7 amps
loop current 120 amps
output 0.3 amps
load 1.7 amps electric drill
10 mm cable loop very hot
Quote from: vrand on October 14, 2013, 01:36:51 AM
forest :)
Harry Perrigo also had an interesting invention Etheric Wave Accumulator that never made it to the marketplace, in that case it looked really complicated and labor intensive to build and also difficult to get it working.
Another excellent Info package from Rexresearch http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm)
Cheers
Go, dig that info, eliminate dust and find one embarrasing comment (remember Perrigo was qualified EE) which should open your eyes. The same Tom Bearden is talking for years but using unnecessary complicated theories.
You should understand why it is not possible to pop up with "energy from ground".
btw .... there is no other way , it is all connected to that single truth
Quote from: totoalas on October 14, 2013, 12:48:27 PM
load test using above set up
No load
input 0.5 amps 230 v ac
loop current 140 amps
output 0 amps
with load
input 0.7 amps
loop current 120 amps
output 0.3 amps
load 1.7 amps electric drill
10 mm cable loop very hot
Thank you for the update.
10 mm cable is good to 239 amps for transmission (Maximum 328 amps for chassis wiring) and typically the insulation is rated to 200 C temperature.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)
Does your 10 mm cable have insulation on it or is it bare cable?
Have you also tried the Shokac circuit diagram that he posted up this page, it looked interesting. The Barbosa/Leal circuit looks simple but must be some special kind of hookup to made it work.
Quote from: vrand on October 14, 2013, 02:15:29 PM
Thank you for the update.
10 mm cable is good to 239 amps for transmission (Maximum 328 amps for chassis wiring) and typically the insulation is rated to 200 C temperature.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)
Does your 10 mm cable have insulation on it or is it bare cable? Its insulated but fine strand will load the video later today
Have you also tried the Shokac circuit diagram that he posted up this page, it looked interesting. The Barbosa/Leal circuit looks simple but must be some special kind of hookup to made it work.
I will replace the insulation in my MOT since the system is is grounded blowing my 13 a fuse.... also I hit one coil and might be damaged during the cutting of the weld
1. I will try to test without e core and replace with magnet ..... the loop I will insert a galvanized spring to see if the temperature will stabilize
Temperature control is one factor or you can connect the end of the loop with
a. heating elemet from an oven, induction cooker coil, oil soaked radiator heater , water heater , copper tubing with running water
b. bigger transformer / capacity to suit the loading
c. in the video of Barbosa the wire size does matter
http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs (http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs)
This circuit is my next try.
http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs (http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs)
If the so called Energy from the Ground is Toroid Transformer as you showed on the picture. I know exactly how this Electro Dynamic Induction Machine=Rotating Transformer=Rotating Magnetic Field. In simple term it is the Lenzless Generator/Converter of Nikola Tesla which produce DNA like Waveform=means all loads will be in PHASE with the two Primary. TPU is another variation.
The converter only works with 2 Phase Alternating Currents for the Transformer has TWO sets of windings ( PRIMARY), 4 wound coils is connected in a manner that they fix the magnetic lines of field in 90 degrees.. The Converter/Transformer is powered with TWO Primaries on the toroid, the 4 coils is wound in a Asymmetrical Manner, Look for Patent Illustration of Nikola Tesla that you can clearly see the Windings e.g. 390,413 Figure 2 and 3. is a simple version which use only 3 TERMINAL two different input of two Primaries with Common Grounding. This Transformer/Converter works like a Normal Transformer on any MERALCO Power Line which is Line to Ground(Earth).
Im about to build the Royer ZVS Oscillator to build the 390,413 Tesla Converter/ Transformer. The one you showed with 4 Terminal is power by DC input, with a special design of Commutator that will feed the 4 Terminal with a DNA like Squarewave. This design had long been documented and analyze together with my cousin when we have time to hang out. Read the patent but you will have a hard time to dig it out or understand the concept about that Converter/Electro Dynamic Induction Machine/Rotating Transformer/Egg of Columbus/4 Wound Coil Induction Motor of Nikola Tesla I think I already give you the origin of this device if im not wrong on what you mean. :o :o
Stupify :P ::)
Quote from: vrand on October 14, 2013, 02:15:29 PM
Thank you for the update.
10 mm cable is good to 239 amps for transmission (Maximum 328 amps for chassis wiring) and typically the insulation is rated to 200 C temperature.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)
Does your 10 mm cable have insulation on it or is it bare cable?
Have you also tried the Shokac circuit diagram that he posted up this page, it looked interesting. The Barbosa/Leal circuit looks simple but must be some special kind of hookup to made it work.
Quote from: totoalas on October 15, 2013, 05:51:29 AM
http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs (http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs)
Thank you for the video of your latest Barbosa/Leal replication experiment.
How many coil turns per transformer? CW or CCW turns? NS, NS, NS coil orientation?
Cheers
Quote from: stupify12 on October 15, 2013, 10:09:37 AM
If the so called Energy from the Ground is Toroid Transformer as you showed on the picture. I know exactly how this Electro Dynamic Induction Machine=Rotating Transformer=Rotating Magnetic Field. In simple term it is the Lenzless Generator/Converter of Nikola Tesla which produce DNA like Waveform=means all loads will be in PHASE with the two Primary. TPU is another variation.
The converter only works with 2 Phase Alternating Currents for the Transformer has TWO sets of windings ( PRIMARY), 4 wound coils is connected in a manner that they fix the magnetic lines of field in 90 degrees.. The Converter/Transformer is powered with TWO Primaries on the toroid, the 4 coils is wound in a Asymmetrical Manner, Look for Patent Illustration of Nikola Tesla that you can clearly see the Windings e.g. 390,413 Figure 2 and 3. is a simple version which use only 3 TERMINAL two different input of two Primaries with Common Grounding. This Transformer/Converter works like a Normal Transformer on any MERALCO Power Line which is Line to Ground(Earth).
Im about to build the Royer ZVS Oscillator to build the 390,413 Tesla Converter/ Transformer. The one you showed with 4 Terminal is power by DC input, with a special design of Commutator that will feed the 4 Terminal with a DNA like Squarewave. This design had long been documented and analyze together with my cousin when we have time to hang out. Read the patent but you will have a hard time to dig it out or understand the concept about that Converter/Electro Dynamic Induction Machine/Rotating Transformer/Egg of Columbus/4 Wound Coil Induction Motor of Nikola Tesla I think I already give you the origin of this device if im not wrong on what you mean. :o :o
Stupify :P ::)
Interesting, looking forward to experiments results :)
"Hidden in plain sight" ?!
Over simplification take on my part, the shape and coil arraignments all looked similar to each other. Some toroidal researchers have found that their is a VORTEX above the coil that can effect weather over-head, light sucking in clouds on a clear day and cause lightning to strike, yikes!
Cheers
Quote from: vrand on October 15, 2013, 12:05:59 PM
Thank you for the video of your latest Barbosa/Leal replication experiment.
How many coil turns per transformer? 2 TURNS
CW or CCW turns? TR1 CW TR2 CCW TR3 CW
NS, NS, NS coil orientation? NS SN NS
Cheers
I have read all the topics and none of you follow the schetces in the patent. I think then you will not achieve the results made by leal and barbosa. Ground wire how do you connect? a simple close loop ? or an open loop? like a spring?
how do you fulfill the figure 6 in your tests? For the moment I have no ideea and no explanations.
He states in the first part of the description that the key of the invention is aditive induction in both cicles of the oscilations. Kind a tricky because in the same time he states it work in DC .
Don t even think this invention is not true.
Has anyone tried the patent as it is written? as it is shown in the figures? Results?
Theree problems
1 iduction connection
2. wiring of the second coil - those 2-5 rounds of wire
3. possible anything not shown.
We have the results- well shown.
We have some clues and figures...
We have to find the path to the final and good result
Balbosa Test 2 100+amps hot to touch 061113 youtube just playing around :)
I tried the patent as it is shown in the figures.
It dosen t work.
Bazicly is equal to put the load and the whole transformer in paralell and connect to the grid (specially in the poarized version).
Pin =Pout
No??
The magic is the ground connetion .
Enybody knows how it really is?
Hi , Guys,
I' ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment, and those sold were collected.
Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of "UNICAMP", which means that they probaly will definitely, "bury" the work once again.
It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson, that after this date I could talk to them again and get a diagram of the machine. Who nows ????
I am willing to cooperate here in São Paulo Brazil.
But if possible, I would like a summary of the group's progress , any replication, etc
If you already have any schematics extracted from the patentes ?
If you have any specific questions ? I am gona call back the inventors in December, if any questions can be answered ... I can try to get some more information...
Grateful....
Better send me direct email , i cant visit regulary this forun.
enric@aliancaluz.org
thanks for the offer and support
you can throw in all the info you can get and we can start from there
ok we can start with
size of transformer input and out put
size of secondary loop / current to for a 2 kw set up
any electronics for a self loop
thanks
Sterling Allen has been updating also on the recent round up of the balbosa machine PESN and Mark Dainse Revolution - green so your input is a welcome development in this thread thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2QvjB0dx1l4
Smartscarecrow 2013 PMBO winners check also in IAEC forum
I don't see the problem.
If people actually have found a overunity device working (Invented/reinvented/replicated) that doesn't even matter.
And they want to put it onto market or anything but its being hold by people/instance/government/whatever to make money.
Why they don't do this :
Open growshop (to dump the gangja).
Power 600.000 watts of light bulps.
Under that grow gangja (indoor obv).
Have safe(clean) water trough electrolyse.
Make every 9 weeks a netto profit of ATLEAST 937.500 euro's.
But since the size of it you need to pay the workers more, and 'lock' them for atleast 10 weeks.
Hey don't worry, they get paid more then working regular work !
(Though you need like 1700 square meters place).
This is a totally of the grid option !
Now that makes u settle for life, after a year for sure!
Now comes the best part.
You rinse/clean the planet of CO2.
You introduce oxygen in the world.
You have profit, to do whatever you want.
You published you're how-to so other people can do what u do.
People can get of the grid and be as close as possible government free.
You have the possibility to eliminate poor at all. (clean water trough electrolyze, a lot of free power everywhere).
So tell me, why does Barbosa and Leal not release the diagrams if you have come in contact with them ?
If there scared they also can go release on TOR anonymous.
Perhaps bring them contact with me ?
Sincerely.
Quote from: truesearch on October 09, 2013, 08:14:46 PM
So is this video possibly showing the same idea? Or is it just a fake??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4)
truesearch
Nice find, and seems legit in my opinion.
Although it seems the lights don't shine too brightly ?
I have a re look on it tomorrow with YT/Google subtitles if the video supports is.
EDIT no subs support, anyone mind translating it ? I only understand 3 words.
1 being Battery.
2 being Tesla.
3 being Device.
English subs under it would be nice, any Russian volunteers ?
Hello all,
I ask "toto alas" and he said that the primary coil is:
"for the input I used the original primary of the 50 watts 220 tp 24 v ac transformer"
This is his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cibqtywpLSI
I think this device is very easy to replicate. I will try it.
Thanks for all.
China is well in front. 100,000 units per year. Ground Heat. 10KW CO2 turbine.
Quote from: DaS Energy on November 08, 2013, 10:40:08 PM
China is well in front. 100,000 units per year. Ground Heat. 10KW CO2 turbine.
Link ?
Quote from: enric on November 07, 2013, 09:15:23 AM
Hi , Guys,
I' ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment, and those sold were collected.
Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of "UNICAMP", which means that they probaly will definitely, "bury" the work once again.
It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson, that after this date I could talk to them again and get a diagram of the machine. Who nows ??? ?
I am willing to cooperate here in São Paulo Brazil.
But if possible, I would like a summary of the group's progress , any replication, etc
If you already have any schematics extracted from the patentes ?
If you have any specific questions ? I am gona call back the inventors in December, if any questions can be answered ... I can try to get some more information...
Grateful....
Better send me direct email , i cant visit regulary this forun.
enric@aliancaluz.org
Hi,
Please, ask them, with how much money were satisfied with so that all together we obtain that money to tell us the secret.
We've seen this time after time, where inventors do not give full disclosure in a patent and yet expect patent protection.
You can not have patent protection if you do not disclose everything.
Once you disclose everything, those skilled in the art can replicate and verify the device.
Patent law ALLOWS anyone to make a working copy of a device.
What you are not allowed to do is make millions and not pay the inventors a royalty.
Payments to inventors are between 6 and 10 percent.
This protects both the inventors and the manufacturers.
When will inventors ever learn?
I think the earth ground connect to the loop, like u call the connection 5, to the wire 4, is done like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSI_Zc2iP8&list=LLbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg This guy used an induction transformer, maybe this is the right way. where one wire go to earth and the other used as neutral in pair with the wire 4 in closed loop and polarized. Another observation is that, in their patent, they talk that the loop wire envolves the main coil. This can be done of many ways. Imagine a simple coil compressed without core, now imagine the thicker wire, passing through this main coil, now that all is done u can put a core inside the first core, like ferrite or iron. I wanna test this so much but dont have any cores or awg wires in hands to do that :/ If someone can test this and show the results i will be a happy guy. I am a computer technician with some notion in eletronic from Brazil, not one expert but... This is how i will do the test, when i have the components in hands, maybe this take a while. Good luck for all. ;D By the way, that induction transformer can be seen in youtube looking for "strange russian transformer", the guy show exactly how one can be done, and i imagine that the electrons from ground are attracted by the polarized cable by this one, and one time there is electrons in the wire, is used like the neutral of the load circuit, after done the electrons inductance in the thicker coil. I dont have praticed my english for a long period but i think that u can understand me, if not msg me.
Quote from: Neofln on November 27, 2013, 02:29:59 AM
I think the earth ground connect to the loop, like u call the connection 5, to the wire 4, is done like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSI_Zc2iP8&list=LLbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSI_Zc2iP8&list=LLbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg) This guy used an induction transformer, maybe this is the right way. where one wire go to earth and the other used as neutral in pair with the wire 4 in closed loop and polarized. Another observation is that, in their patent, they talk that the loop wire envolves the main coil. This can be done of many ways. Imagine a simple coil compressed without core, now imagine the thicker wire, passing through this main coil, now that all is done u can put a core inside the first core, like ferrite or iron. I wanna test this so much but dont have any cores or awg wires in hands to do that :/ If someone can test this and show the results i will be a happy guy. I am a computer technician with some notion in eletronic from Brazil, not one expert but... This is how i will do the test, when i have the components in hands, maybe this take a while. Good luck for all. ;D By the way, that induction transformer can be seen in youtube looking for "strange russian transformer", the guy show exactly how one can be done, and i imagine that the electrons from ground are attracted by the polarized cable by this one, and one time there is electrons in the wire, is used like the neutral of the load circuit, after done the electrons inductance in the thicker coil. I dont have praticed my english for a long period but i think that u can understand me, if not msg me.
This is not the same!
This guy use current transformer for light bulb
i know its not the same, this is just the first video that i remembered to show the current transformer... ;D
:)
OK ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;)
Forest... So you wanna make fun with me? No point of view is wrong until
it is refuted( you never tried to refute mine ). To reach results that
others have failed to get you must think different and follow another
path. The greatest sign of wisdom is humility. Who is not wise is a
foolish, not a hero, and now you can laugh a lot. ;D The circuit that i
proposed, "IF" it works, dont close the cicle of energy meter, this will
reduce drasticaly your light invoice but probably not be over unit, maybe
this is what Barbosa and Leal got, a method to cheat the meter. I dont
know your place, dont know what type of meter the light company of your
place uses, but here in much places the companys still using the
eletromechanical meter. Have you know how a meter like this works? A
eletrical ac motor is connected in serie with the out of meter, when you
consume energy, the motor spins, Increasing the number on the meter, if
you dont close the circuit using phase and neutral, the meter can't
measure properly your consume because an ac motor needs phase and neutral
to work. This is the reason the phase from current transformer goes to
ground in the proposed circuit, just to have a new neutral to use with
load. This circuit was taken from interpreting the patent of Barbosa and
Leal in original, text and language. Remeber that u can ever translate a
text and replicate things but without information about how and where the
thing was made, and by who, you will never understand the thing that you
have replicated.
They can be genius or cheaters, by the way the second is more probably. In
their patent they don't talk about tests and measurements of over unity,
in their videos they show us, only that, with a small current of the light
company, they can measure much more in a cable, and get powered 6000w of
incandescent bulbs. So... The clip current meter that was used in the
vídeos will really get bigger current in the secondary of a step down transformer with only
two turns of thicker wire, if u get it closed in itself doing a loop, and
if u get it closed, the tension goes to zero, so u can polarize like any
other wire, without getting the two diferent tensions destroying each
other. Now that u have big current polarized the current will flow trough
the closed circuit and the current transformer will work, u already have a
good phase to use in load, comming from energy company, so put that new
phase generated by current transformer in the ground, and use the new
neutral in pair with the energy company phase to the load.
Talking about heater version, its just a simple transformer with shorted
secondary, more the voltage in the thick wire more the heat in the core
and in the wire, so two more laps of thick wire. This one really can be
used to generate steam and move a turbine like in nuclear usines, but i
don't think that have any economic advantages.
Maybe that two guys don't know more than anyone and really don't know what
they are doing. I wanna test this to know if this is a cheat, or if is
over unity.
Next time u have something to test, first try to know the simplest way,
the simple way is 99% of times the right direction.
If you wanna talk about my bad english remeber first, that i can be
understood in 3 languages and understand other people in 4.
I had tried my first eletromechanical moto-continuous 24 years ago when i
had 8yo. This is my obsession and i have thinked many ways and years to do
something like this work.
I'm not an authority, but for sure I'm a newby only in the forum, and not
a clown. I come here to try help, and to get help, to learn, and share my
insignificant knowledge about the things, so at least I expect some
respect. If u found a error, show me, like I showed the foundations of my
thinking.
And if such conduct is permitted in this forum like you done, here is my
replica to your joke.
Who is the joke now? Regards from the monkey, foolish.
Remember that You is not MY hero, and to don't mess with me.
;)
Hello Neofln.
Don't be put off by that so few say, sometimes only one. Usually a quick check confirms they have contributed nothing and pretend they are a somebody by writing shit as to why yours not work. This is because they lacked the brains to suck and mother had to squeeze the tit or they'd die. Now they so desperately want to be a somebody they pretend they have the intellect to knock others work. They want you to respond which is why they word things as they do. Then if you do their response discusses nothing said and comes out a complete new load of shit. They do this till your sick of replying. On the plus side many many who agree with you not respond but take on board what you say.
Regards
Peter
Neo plz.... That paint drawing is just that, a botched paint drawing.
dont write such long text its bad manners for forums, if you have an idea make it and see, no arguing necessary over a paint drawing.
Neofln (http://www.overunity.com/profile/neofln.80419/),
Guy, please contact me. We, at The Light Alliance, are trying to replicate that Barbosa Patent, and we would like to talk to you.
Please , include my skype or email me !
"enrictoledo" enric@aliancaluz.org
Grato!!!!
Neofln
It was not joke. Good job. ::)
Something I posted on the ENERGY AMPLIFICATION thread:
This involves drawing energy from the ground. I think it might be scaleable, and he says a few words to my suggestion about it.
Thought I'd share Janost's observations about mosfet behaving 'like' a spark gap, FWIW.http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-308.html#post230300 (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-308.html#post230300)Bob
I'm no expert at all :) , but there was mention of high temp's before. Could some of this be solved with non conductive fluids? Emerse(?) the main parts into a system with non cunductive fluids. Or, is there too much current? Too much voltage? Or, has anyone tried it?? ;)
Just a drunken thought, LOL. Would be cool 8).
Bob
PS Please remember that not all of us have a Doctorits Degree or what ever the GOV says is required to do or understand this stuff, we like to do it for fun and to help others, EXCEPT FOR THE ONES THAT ARE ONLY!!!! AFTER PROFIT
!!! ANY AND ALL POLICTICALS!!
Quote from: John.K1 on October 08, 2013, 03:02:42 PM
I am also a little bit confused with using the AC. The condition was to have POLARISED LOOP (+) . It is quite logical as the grounding potential is (-) and with the help of magnetic field can be free electrons attracted or pushed in to the loop. But this is not case of AC (i think) Also , I could imagine better functionality with very sharp ON/OF - not sinus?
I believe that it shows in the patent drawing schematics that they are polarizing the loop via a connection to the negative supply terminal
Has anybody had any success with this?
Here is a video I found of one guy trying something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caYNtx-2am0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caYNtx-2am0)
@ enric posted Nov 7: I' ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment,
and those sold were collected. Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of "UNICAMP", which means that they probably will definitely,
"bury" the work once again. It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson, that after this date I could talk to them again and get a
diagram of the machine. Who knows?
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enric, any new news yet?
Quote from: FatBird on December 08, 2013, 07:18:56 PM
@ enric posted Nov 7: I' ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment,
and those sold were collected. Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of "UNICAMP", which means that they probably will definitely,
"bury" the work once again. It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson, that after this date I could talk to them again and get a
diagram of the machine. Who knows?
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enric, any new news yet?
This is either news, or a summary up;
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert
Source; http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/
@mx1000,
Thank you for keeping us informed with your above post.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert)
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The English full document is on free-energy-info.com. Chapter 3. Barbosa and Leal generator.
The relevant Barbosa and Leal patents in Portuguese can be downloaded here:
www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Barbosa1.pdf
www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Barbosa2.pdf
www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Barbosa3.pdf.
Quote from: FatBird on December 09, 2013, 09:39:50 AM
@mx1000,
Thank you for keeping us informed with your above post.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert)
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Since they are only selling local I though why not buy ticket there.
But cheapest ticket is 3.800 euro. I call him later and perhaps I can buy with a track-and-trace option.
I even over pay for that.
I quote from there site, google translated;
Examples prototypes obtained by
1) - Consuming only 21 W 220 V the sensor generates an output 12.1 KW to feed a load of 6000 W 220V
Weight: 1.5 Kg
Measurements: 20x30x15 cm
2) - Consuming only 2000 W 220 V the sensor generates an output of 282 700 W 220V
Weight: 40 Kg
Measurements: 60x40x20 cm
This man has built the device (Earth connection).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc
You can replicate it. :D
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on December 11, 2013, 12:44:42 AM
This man has built the device (Earth connection).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc)
You can replicate it. :D
If you conect phase with ground you also get current, so he must run system from inverter. I think he just conect phase with ground.
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BREAKING: Inventors Harness Free Energy with New Device
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4
I hope that this device will be available for everyone.
GOOD NEWS (Thanks truongcongduc4)
A TV NEWS program says their Free Energy Device will go on SALE NEXT MONTH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4)
.
Quote from: FatBird on December 13, 2013, 08:17:50 AM
GOOD NEWS (Thanks truongcongduc4)
A TV NEWS program says their Free Energy Device will go on SALE NEXT MONTH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4)
I can't find any source about them selling it, or aiming to, sell it internationally in January.
Except for the video, you perhaps have a building statement ?
Does anybody have any IDEAS or HUNCH how they WIRED this to make it work?
Is it possible he MODIFIED a Microwave Oven Transformer? If yes, What do you think he did?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=microwave+oven+transformer&sm=12 (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=microwave+oven+transformer&sm=12)
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HERE ARE 2 PARAGRAPHS FROM PAT KELLY'S PAGE 29, CHAPTER 3 PDF:
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The inventors describe their device like this: "this electromagnetic-field-generating device, powered by a power source, produces an electromagnetic field
which induces an electric current in a closed conductive circuit, creating an interaction between the magnetic poles of the equipment and the magnetic poles
of the earth - through both electromagnetic attraction and repulsion. An endless supply of electrons is drawn from the earth into the conductive closed loop,
which is connected to the ground through a conductive interconnected grid. The attracted electrons add to the current already flowing in the conductive
closed loop, making power available for driving high-power loads, although the device itself is supplied with only a small amount of power."
One very interesting feature is that the continuous-loop coil formed by wire 4 in the diagram above, is literally, only two turns of wire. The power-gaining
mechanism, amazingly, is the earth wire (shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link
is by induction. With this arrangement, the current circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped
connection of wire 5, into wire 4, augmenting the current flow there by a major amount. Wire 3 can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get
alternating current in wire 4, but please understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result of the current in wire 3. If the current in wire 3 is DC,
then the current in wire 4 will be DC as this is not a conventional transformer, but instead, it is an electron trap, operating in an entirely different way.
The PDF is Below for DOWNLOADING:
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They advertise 22 Watts in, and 6000 WATTS OUT.
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The 2 turns wire used fine strand in the 6kw box the earth is only 6mm dia
By iinduction chk robert 33 yt using 2 mots core connected only but has 1000 w lamp lit
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Quote from: FatBird on December 16, 2013, 09:09:18 AM
I checked robert 33 and found 20,200,000 hits!!!
Can you post the Link, or be more specific? Thanks.
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Microwave transformers test youtube electric experiments
Totoalas whats happen with your videos?
http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs
http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw
How about Leonaldo Bezerra the Brazilian guy who was replicating the experiment to?
Could you show us what you know about the system, for sure you know something.
many thanks
hrmmm I'm missing something here I guess I don't fully understand how to replicate the device... Or has there been a full replication diagram available yet?
Quote from: mx1000 on December 16, 2013, 07:54:27 AM
I can't find any source about them selling it, or aiming to, sell it internationally in January.
Except for the video, you perhaps have a building statement ?
Would be nice to get a response ;)
http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/ (http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/)
The problem (independently from the confiscation) : not minimal UL-or TUEV -equal approvement .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePvn34JkelY
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: 6000W output and 1,5Kg total equipment material weight( light/lite version).
6Kg(1KW/Kg) would be wundervoll, 1,5Kg is : wundersam ?
@fatbird, that loop in the image reminds me of something I saw at this link, he was using the loop to control current
http://sparkbangbuzz.com/corona-osc/corona-osc.htm (http://sparkbangbuzz.com/corona-osc/corona-osc.htm)
Happy birthday -25 years jubilee- open source :
[0040] To clarify the operation of this embodiment according to the in-vention, the following dimensioning of the transformer windings is given using Figure 17 as an example, the iron cores being dimensioned in accordance with the manner usual for transformers:
- winding 81: 100 windings, 220 V/50 Hz, 5 A at full load;
- winding 82: 1 winding, 5000 A;
- winding 84: 1000 windings, 5000 A;
- winding 85: 1100 windings, 4500 A, 220 V/50 Hz.
[0041] From the above example it is evident that, with a coil 82 having 5000 ampere windings, a flux variation of 5000000 ampere windings can be generated with the superconducting coil 84. Accordingly, a generated power of 990 kW can be drawn from the terminals 89 for a power supplied to the connecting terminals 88 of 1.1 kW, and this corresponds to a power gain of approximately a factor of 1000
superconducting= super low resistance
Sincerely
OCWL
Hi lancaIV,
Could not find figure 17. Can you give more detail about the wire guages (#AWG ?) for the different windings? And maybe a picture of figure 17.
Thank you,
Bob
From the Herbert Adolf Zielinski list:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=adolf+zielinski (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=adolf+zielinski)
taking out this one:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881212&CC=FI&NR=885754A&KC=A
and there are the coil-winding informations-for 900KW output- bringing down to 5KW output: Kg ?
listend above also the superconductor producing process -thermal shock-
Sincerely
OCWL
They say their device will power homes and automobiles. With that said and it being noted that it is a mobile device, where does getting electrons from the earth come into play when it is portable and not attached to the earth?
Something sounds fishy about this. I can see someone being able to build a device that would attract a vibrance that would multiply a vibrance being used to create more power output then input but I dont think this is it. Atleast not as presented. The pending patent does not explain enough. Atleast not for me.
May I ask you this question ? I think it is not simple one or two turns for the earth connection.
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on December 23, 2013, 01:09:06 AM
May I ask you this question ? I think it is not simple one or two turns for the earth connection.
Hi All,
My idea is likely to be an large surface, thus absorb more charge transfer from the ground up, and see if the idea is reasonable, there will be composed almost a capacitor, not just a few turns of wire!
Regards.
I think you are right, that it will take more than 5 or 10 turns.
A secondary encased in a copper or aluminum tube for induction
One more question. Where is the best point to put the earth connection?
The best point is in the centre of 2 turns coil. But you may make a mistake. Please don't forget. See these images for more detail.
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on December 24, 2013, 10:53:30 AM
One more question. Where is the best point to put the earth connection?
The best point is in the centre of 2 turns coil. But you may make a mistake. Please don't forget. See these images for more detail.
Hi @truongcongduc4
Drawing on patent never shown true for all: They kept the (secret technology)! . .
Just make the experiment to test this case. :D Think it simple.
Gửi bạn Trương Công Đức , bạn đang ở đâu vậy?
Gửi bạn Trương Công Đức 4 : bạn không cần thí nghiệm , tôi đã làm rồi . Kết quả đúng là dòng thứ cấp đã tăng lên gần 100 lần. Lúc đầu , tôi cứ nghĩ là do ngắn mạch . Nhưng không phải vậy. Ngắn mạch chỉ tăng được khoảng 30 lần thôi. Tôi là người Việt đang sống ở Hải Phòng. Bạn đang ở đâu vậy : Mỹ, Đức ...(ta có thể nói chuyện bằng tiếng Việt mà!)
tonygiang
xin lỗi, chúng tôi không thể nói tiếng Việt, chúng tôi chỉ có thể sử dụng tiếng Anh
nhưng nó rất thú vị những gì bạn nói
Hi all!
I'm sorry , but I think he was Vietnames and love mother tongue .
So, and I don't like Barbosa's design however very high its COP . I think Thane's design best. It undependence to the Earth.
Quote from: tonygiang on December 25, 2013, 02:20:06 AM
Gửi bạn Trương Công Đức 4 : bạn không cần thí nghiệm , tôi đã làm rồi . Kết quả đúng là dòng thứ cấp đã tăng lên gần 100 lần. Lúc đầu , tôi cứ nghĩ là do ngắn mạch . Nhưng không phải vậy. Ngắn mạch chỉ tăng được khoảng 30 lần thôi. Tôi là người Việt đang sống ở Hải Phòng. Bạn đang ở đâu vậy : Mỹ, Đức ...(ta có thể nói chuyện bằng tiếng Việt mà!)
Chào Mọi Người, bạn @tonygiang
Gặp nhau trên diễn đàn này rất ít người Việt. Bạn đã thực hiện thí nghiệm thiết bị này? kết quả đạt đến mức khã quan thế nào rồi? Bạn hãy chia sẻ cho mọi thành viên cùng biết. Nói thực ra tôi vẫn luôn nghi ngờ thiết bị này không thực sự làm việc như lời của nhà sáng chế !
Chúc sức khỏe.
havuhung
Hello @tonygiang;
Please share us your result.
Thanks,
I'm very busy now for my design. I will be post my result to this topic when after filed to uspto and wipo. You should be careful read Tesla's patent and relativety documents (examples Vladimir Utkin) .
Bye!
Quote from: tonygiang on December 25, 2013, 10:43:48 PM
I'm very busy now for my design. I will be post my result to this topic when after filed to uspto and wipo. You should be careful read Tesla's patent and relativety documents (examples Vladimir Utkin) .
Bye!
Hi All, @tonygiang
Well, thank you tips! I know they will choose to read the documentation! the only problem is: Read to understand and will do anything practical! . . You file a patent soon, we will be happy to have more people (talent) effort devoted to green energy and FE.
Vâng, cảm ơn lời khuyên! chúng tôi sẽ tự biết chọn lựa tài liệu để đọc! vấn đề chỉ là: Đọc để hiểu được và sẽ làm được những gì thực tế! . . Bạn hãy sớm nộp bằng sáng chế, chúng tôi sẽ rất vui khi có thêm người (tài năng) cống hiến công sức cho năng lượng xanh và FE.
Happy Merry Christmas
Tony
Filing a patent HUH?
An old friend used to tell me ,
Never hand a man a stick to beat you with .
thx
Chet
This O-U invention looks like it is the SIMPLEST EVER in the history of the world, BUT it looks like this thread is DYING OUT.
NO transistors, no IC chips, no 555 chips, no diodes, no capacitors, no SCRs, no motors, no Gravity Wheels, no moving parts, etc, etc. How much more simple can it get?
BUT it looks like NOBODY CARES because nobody has any ideas or hunches how to wire it up. What a shame. Oh well.
If you use the CHROME BROWSER, it will TRANSLATE their Portugese SITE into whatever language you want.
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AsdB4vUOpSciPW94UA0.Q.GbvZx4?p=download+chrome+browser&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-900 (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AsdB4vUOpSciPW94UA0.Q.GbvZx4?p=download+chrome+browser&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-900)
http://energiauniversal.eco.br/ (http://energiauniversal.eco.br/)
You can Download the Patent from the attached PDF file, and it starts on Page 28:
This could change the world if they would just let it out.
It will eventually go the way of all the others.
Thanks for the link.
dave
Well, if we try to analyze their video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q
a bit more, you can see, that they are using such a green wire which comes
from the big black cable where they just fitted the green cable onto, so this seems to be the ground
wire where they say they extract all the power from.
I wonder, why this green ground wire is relatively small in diameter. It seems to go to all the 3 boxes there
and every box seems to have a bigger power output.
At least they show us 6 x 1000 Watts lamp being powered by one of the devices and also the amp
readings fit with about 27 Amps at 220 Volts gives about 6 KWatts.
Also the input Watts correspondens to the claimed 22 Watts, by being 220 Volts x 0.1 Amps.
Now the questions is, how do they wind the green cable onto their transformer core as shown
already here from their patents..
Maybe the patents are just not too revealing in telling the full story ? Maybe they did not publish all
the secrets inside the patents ?
The patents seem to not show any connection from this ground wire to anyof the transformer coil wires,
but claim that the wire is only wound around the other coil wires... Hmm.
maybe then the ground is also wound at least a few windings onto the core to have at least some
kind of magnetic induction effect onto the transformer maybe via standing waves, if it is open ended.
How could that provide any potential where induction current could be drawn from otherwise ???
Very mysterious... probably does not work directly at 50 Hz, must be some kind of RF induction input from the ground,
although the transformer hum is at the the typical 50 Hz tone.
Hmm...hope we will soon hear more about it from the inventors...
If anybody wh speaks Portugeasian language could post a transcripition of the video, that would be great,
would be interesting to know what they are saying in this video.
Many thanks.
Regards. Stefan.
Hi Stefan, Hi All
The drawing of the patent, only one wire from the ground and wrapped around the open end of the outer insulating the wire loop to which we see. Little to analyze a reasonable power principle: With the frequency of the electrical current in the loop is running 50/60 Hz corresponding to the working frequency of the primary coil is powered from the grid area, one wire wrapped around the outside of this open-ended what ineffective, the result will be quite sure!
It's just symbolic, purpose distract those who are looking into it.
Kind Regards
Full transcript would be wasting time.
They do not talk about operation of the device, only data input and output power and yield of the devices.
About the green wire, 10mm flex cable, it says it is related to the load (6 KW) if load is greater wire has to follow.
The machine does not pull from the ground 6 KW, the ground just a little help (if you ask me if I believe it, I say, only seeing with my own eyes) ::)
The third box (larger) can feed up to 200 KW load, ground wire is 240mm, and this value would be to the ground if the load was 200 kW (his words).
The rest just propaganda, we Brazilians are also very curious to know for work, but we all know when we can only see an open device ... unfortunately we have to be more patients, there is no other way.
I am pretty sure that the patent does not say anything relevant about the functioning of the "Captor" ...
Regards
ps: mas enfim vamos esperar os caras, eles tem o benefício da dúvida até prova em contrário!
Stefan,
Guessing on any device without knowing the correct theory of operation is USELESS. I learned that hard following "free energy" last 14 years.
They are now is stalemate situation as always. Here is the real problem : it is very simple with very simple theory behind, but based on simple principle which almost everybody is taught to immediately dismiss ; that Earth magnetic field is HUGE energy coming from space and powering the rotation of our planet. The wheelwork of nature.... They can't explain it in detail because their effords to commercialize invention would be destroyed as for every inventor during last 120 years, however in such situation they are also at the power of commercial regulations controlled by elite who controls energy market..... They should not act this way, by direct opposition to the multibillion dollars bussiness...don't get me wrong - I like the idea, but direct opposition without any remedy it's like
Bolshevik Revolution - may be a disaster without social changes...[/font][/size]
@ forest
forest I'm inclined to agree with you. ;)
The other day I was reading a Russian forum a guy demystifying Kapadze device.
He built the device making use of conventional calculations using "reactive power" to produce more energy and system feedback, no "esoteric" energy or ground, and was soon criticized by his peers and even then he showed how to make and yet some people did not believe him. >:(
This situation favors the powerful guys in control of world energy. :'(
While humans do not learn to share things of value, because only share what we do not have more value to us, things remain the same. :-X :-\
Regards
Quote from: Schiko on December 27, 2013, 11:34:17 AM
@ forest
forest I'm inclined to agree with you. ;)
The other day I was reading a Russian forum a guy demystifying Kapadze device.
He built the device making use of conventional calculations using "reactive power" to produce more energy and system feedback, no "esoteric" energy or ground, and was soon criticized by his peers and even then he showed how to make and yet some people did not believe him. >:(
This situation favors the powerful guys in control of world energy. :'(
While humans do not learn to share things of value, because only share what we do not have more value to us, things remain the same. :-X :-\
Regards
Can you post a link to this please?
Quote from: a.king21 on December 27, 2013, 12:09:15 PM
Can you post a link to this please?
Of corse my friend, here are the links ...
1 - http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/47235-rabochaya-sxema-generatora-kapanadze.html
2 - http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze.html
have fun!
Happy new year to all!!! ;D
Hi Schiko,
Thanks for sharing
I try to make the experiment with this device. But nothing happen. The current in the loop does not increase. Maybe the earth connection must have more than 100 turns.
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on December 28, 2013, 09:32:57 PM
I try to make the experiment with this device. But nothing happen. The current in the loop does not increase. Maybe the earth connection must have more than 100 turns.
Hi @ truongcongduc4
You will accomplish a lot wrapped wire loop on it! or any other idea. Just testing! . . ( You are traveling to the legend in the fantasy world created by two authors Land BRASIL! )
havuhung
Increase the induction conductivity in the secondary loop with ground
:)
Think about this image. Extract free electrons from the ground base on the high current in the loop. How to make the current in 5 increase ?
Hi @truongcongduc4,
Think about this: The law of conservation of energy is still present, you want to extract from the ground up charge your device (temporarily considered negative charges), you must have a corresponding positive charge to pull it up! Why? As the negatively charged surface did not (generous) to run up to you for free! So how are you (with interest) in terms of energy use??? :D
If I were working on this I would bifilar the secondary one end to ground through diode, pump energy out of the ground.
There's lots of options using bifilar coils on both the primary and secondary, ground connections, antenna connections, outside coils to draw power in, capacitors to bounce energy.
Pump the bemf(positive energy) from a coil into a ground wire and see what you get back.
Im not saying any of this works but open up the system let it breath give yourself options to work with.
Quote from: havuhung on December 30, 2013, 06:23:10 AM
Hi @truongcongduc4,
Think about this: The law of conservation of energy is still present, you want to extract from the ground up charge your device (temporarily considered negative charges), you must have a corresponding positive charge to pull it up! Why? As the negatively charged surface did not (generous) to run up to you for free! So how are you (with interest) in terms of energy use??? :D
Now your talking, I like it.
Use pos to attract neg
Setup a simple device where the coils are easy to change out, build a pump
The maid thats me needs to clean up ;D ;D ;D
Lets toast some transistors blow up some capacitors,
Lets get this energy revolution going ;D
Play safe boys and girls roflmao
seriously be careful this stuff can kill.
Im gonna cut the outer coils and replace them with a bifilar or maybe even a trifilar wound on ferrite rods to increase capacitance and self inductance.
pull energy out of the environment, or at least thats the goal,
I have the secondary setup bifilar as well, will be adding external coils and trying ground connections, antenna connections on that side too.
Its time to get serious, if they can do it we can too.
Yes we can Dave
The gap in the ferrite and a neodyne in between the gap.... please test also.... the KML you can add a telescopic antenna as well
:)
Yea Iv been wanting to try the KML coils, novel idea
Has anyone seen this replication from a fellow in Brazil, he has a couple of recent vids up. He has everything but the kitchen sink hanging off of it. He does however, seem to be achieving moderate success with a claim of 275 % efficiency. A ways to go yet... but this cannot be that difficult to figure out. Apparently somewhere in the patent it mentions two ground rods placed at least ten feet apart, it must be where this fellow got the idea to use three. (multiple rods does not make much sense to me...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc
Trying to wrap my head around this, its got to be about charge/potential, the output is giving me trouble, if wires 4/5 are interwound then the output is due to interwinding capacitance?? Anyway, check out the section on Induced Electric Fields, if 5 wire is wrapped between coil 6/7 shouldn't the induced E create a diff between the open end and ground?
Quote from: tonygiang on December 25, 2013, 10:43:48 PM
I'm very busy now for my design. I will be post my result to this topic when after filed to uspto and wipo. You should be careful read Tesla's patent and relativety documents (examples Vladimir Utkin) .
Bye!
Tony you are wasting your time filing patents, you might as well show everyone what you have learned, that is if you have actually figured it out. How do you know that you have done anything unique? They never put everything in their patent to begin with, and are now figuring out no doubt, that they made a mistake in not doing so. If people cannot replicate, the patent is not enforceable.
They are also doing things differently now as they are connecting the ground to the bare wire of the secondary. There are also technical improvements added to their patents that no one knows the details of. There is also talk they have filed a new patent.
If Barbosa and Leal do not wind up dead before this hits the market, it will immediately be available to anyone who can wind a transformer with a closed loop secondary. They cannot continue to hide the simplicity of this device in a box.
Their plans right now are to license manufacturers. Manufacturers will wind up showing everyone how it is constructed. You cannot put a product like this on the market and keep it's design secret, this is not a bottle of coca cola. Their plans of charging 5000.00 for a one hundred dollar device will never work, never in a million years! Nor will yours. You are not going to be able to enforce a patent on a simple device that anyone can build from scrap parts and sell to their neighbor.
This technology is a freebie for everyone once the design gets out! Wise up and share what you have learned, free energy does not belong to anyone.
P.S. Would you have figured anything out without Barbosa and Leal?
Quote from: Dave45 on December 30, 2013, 10:30:23 AM
Yea Iv been wanting to try the KML coils, novel idea
Hi All, Hi Dave45
Thank you, I have two ideas towards point, you look at the positive direction is OK, the other point is the conclusion for two creators of the legendary Land Brasil... :D
Happy new year to you and yours
Just want to remind everyone that the device has evolved, the "Captor" now also capture electrons from the air.
So not only is the earth leaving things. ;)
And this is a little more complicated. ;D
In my opinion all these devices work on the same principles, if you discover how one works, will know how they all work.
And it should be a very simple thing indeed, for all the masters in the art, ancient and modern say the same. 8)
Regards
Capturing electrons from the air can be more useful than obtaining them from the ground.
As far I know, Don Smith also created a device for capturing electrons from the air.
Barbosa is using a spherical capacitor in one of the circuits to capture free electrons in the ambient and convert them into useful energy. As seen in the picture I've attached to this post, the piece number 14 is the spherical capacitor. This is the part that captures electrons from the air.
At least 4 different inventors have used the same technique to capture electrons from the ambient. It has been documented.
Excellent Points Earthenergy.
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Hello Dave45,
Could you please test them? Because I have no idea with the "pump" or the KML coils.
Or could you please share me some documents? Or how to build them?
I need to learn more. :D
I have a question with the positive charged surface in the loop. (See the image)
Because it is "loop" and the voltage is very small.
So we need a special thing to extract free elections from the ground (or in the air) then supply them to the loop??
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on December 31, 2013, 09:59:36 AM
Hello Dave45,
Could you please test them? Because I have no idea with the "pump" or the KML coils.
Or could you please share me some documents? Or how to build them?
I need to learn more. :D
I have a question with the positive charged surface in the loop. (See the image)
Because it is "loop" and the voltage is very small.
So we need a special thing to extract free elections from the ground (or in the air) then supply them to the loop??
I have two versions. One version plus and minus in picture in primary coil is neutral and phase. Other version plus and minus is plus and minus 200 volsts DC let say. But if this versiion, then probarly we not get curent any on secondary? So this version is probarly wrong?
Quote from: Magnethos on December 31, 2013, 02:27:05 AM
Capturing electrons from the air can be more useful than obtaining them from the ground.
As far I know, Don Smith also created a device for capturing electrons from the air.
Barbosa is using a spherical capacitor in one of the circuits to capture free electrons in the ambient and convert them into useful energy. As seen in the picture I've attached to this post, the piece number 14 is the spherical capacitor. This is the part that captures electrons from the air.
At least 4 different inventors have used the same technique to capture electrons from the ambient. It has been documented.
Tell us more about the spherical cap please.
I have not had any luck pulling electrons from the ground but still working to that end.
Im still searching like everyone else if I find it you will know and how.
Quote from: Schiko on December 31, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
Just want to remind everyone that the device has evolved, the "Captor" now also capture electrons from the air.
So not only is the earth leaving things. ;)
And this is a little more complicated. ;D
In my opinion all these devices work on the same principles, if you discover how one works, will know how they all work.
And it should be a very simple thing indeed, for all the masters in the art, ancient and modern say the same. 8)
Regards
Agreed... I believe the capture of the electrons is just a part of what is going on. I think the real essence of this breakthrough is that a gateway is being opened into the ether, or into the dimension if you will, that actually supplies a magnetic field with it's power. Look at a permanent magnet. One shot of electricity into a magnetic material and you have a circulating flow of electronic activity that keeps going and going and going.
In trying to replicate the Barbosa/Leal device it may be helpful for people not to not focus solely on the electron capture, it is probably only part of the process, there is probably energy coming in from somewhere else. Floyd Sweet tapped into the ether without a ground, so did Marks, and I believe EV Gray as well. Tapping into the ether with a pulsating field would seem to be what is taking place. It would also seem that the voltage is somehow sourced through the primary and the current is somehow sourced from the closed loop secondary.
Someone should be able to nail it soon enough, if not, we all wait for the Barbosa/Leal device to hit the market. ( If they are not taken out first that is, it remains a possibility as long as no one has replicated. They also seem to want to make a killing on the device at 5k a unit, so they may get bought off right away)
I believe they have the real deal, the best one yet, the cheapest and simplest to build, and one that is ready for implementation.
The PDF Patent is below for downloading. This is really STRANGE, because I "assumed" that wires 4 were the output WIRES. But after I re-read the patent several times,
he keeps referring to THE LOOP. So I "assumed" he meant the word loop INCLUDES the Load. But apparently NOT. So if I am reading this right, wires 4 are SHORTED TOGETHER
and together they form THEIR OWN LOOP in the Core, AND is 1 wire of the output!! So if the Wires 4 are SHORTED to form 1 Output Wire, where is the OTHER OUTPUT WIRE??
Below is some of the patent wording I copied out for this post.
1. Here, the earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4 are connected together to form the loop,
and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced). The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow
coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the electric power flowing in wire loop 4. The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.
2. The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction. With this arrangement, the current
circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, increasing the current flow there by a major
amount. Wire 3 (input) can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4 (output), but understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result
of the current in wire 3.
.
But after I re-read the patent wording several times, he keeps referring to THE LOOP. So if I am reading this right, wires 4
are SHORTED TOGETHER and together they form 1 wire of the output!!
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In the latest video they appear to connect the ground to the bare copper of the closed loop. It must have proven to work better. (wondering why they didn't test that before filing a patent)
Yes you can get an output connecting one lead of the load to the closed loop and one to either side of the primary. I have done that and it will light a bulb, the ground must be connected, but I do not see any magic happening. It appears to be current going to ground from the primary. I may be missing something though.
I have also been testing off grid with a square wave inverter. Their setup may now require pure sine wave as they talk about working with the hydro company rather than eliminating them. It also seems that their first success and demos were with a battery/rectifier/inverter setup and now they are plugging into 220 from the wall instead, so that seems out of place.... is the single phase 220 pure sine wave being supplied to the primary where the very high efficiency begins to happen?
Also beginning to wonder if the primary coil and/or the closed loop coil have to be tapped midway/halfway
The SMALLEST unit they sell is 12,100 WATTS, and weighs ONLY 4 Pounds (1.5 KG).
That's a paradox too because I would think the box would weigh more than that.
The biggest one they advertise is 282,700 WATTS.
That could run a small TOWN.
http://energiauniversal.eco.br/ (http://energiauniversal.eco.br/)
Quote from: FatBird on December 31, 2013, 07:00:11 PM
The SMALLEST unit they sell is 12,100 WATTS.
That is the small unit on the table in the 7 minute video, the one that powers the bank of 6 one thousand watt bulbs with an 220 volt input of .1 amp which is about 22 watts! Output is 220 volts, 26 amps. The transformer must be very small as the weight of the unit is 1.5 kilos. Hard to believe... but I do not believe they are con artists.
What is the impossible dream though, is that they would be able to sell a $29.00 transformer for $5.000.00 dollars. It is a pipe dream. People will build their own unit once the secret is known. The device can never be kept secret, unless it is suppressed now before it gets out.
Good points Earthenergy.
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Fatbird the diagram you posted was not the right one, the text you posted was for the schematic below which is for their direct current generator which I find very interesting. I am going to test shortly. Thanks for your post you started me thinking. I had to go double check the source and discovered the DC schematic.
Hard to go wrong with this Direct Current version. If it works, it is just as exciting as the AC unit, and one can hardly go wrong in testing the design. It seems pretty straightforward and one would think they tested the set up to see if it works before submitting the info.
Hi All,
Happy New Year for All
I think that this device works in a completely different principle, not exactly what they talked about. Two Brazilian inventor who had created their own devices a legend (extract energy from the ground) to be patented!. . Read it carefully and test equipment on their principles announced, will surely have the answer.
Regards
I've never trusted Barbosa leal ever since I spent 2 weeks on an unsuccessful replication attempt.
You can't get a trafo to work on dc. It has to be at least pulsed DC.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY:
Brazil uses a system of single wire earth return.
In these countries with SWER you can put 2 earth rods into the ground and steal the grid's electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return)
I know someone who did it in New Zealand and he told me how the experiment was conducted. It's better
if the earth rods are far apart.
Sorry to upset you, but truth is better than false hopes.
Quote from: a.king21 on January 01, 2014, 12:16:50 AM
I've never trusted Barbosa leal ever since I spent 2 weeks on an unsuccessful replication attempt.
You can't get a trafo to work on dc. It has to be at least pulsed DC.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY:
Brazil uses a system of single wire earth return.
In these countries with SWER you can put 2 earth rods into the ground and steal the grid's electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return)
I know someone who did it in New Zealand and he told me how the experiment was conducted. It's better
if the earth rods are far apart.
Sorry to upset you, but truth is better than false hopes.
You may be right about the DC design, I am going to test anyway.....to be sure.
On the AC demonstration if the current was coming from the grid and going to the ground it would seem that the current would have to show up on the amp meter clamped on the feed. I have not been able to see any mention of Brazil using swer, all references are for 220 single phase utilities in Brazil. That being said however, it is possible to run isolated single phase to the ground, and power a load in doing so.
Your failure to replicate cannot be considered as proof that it does not work. As someone once said, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Kapandaze aptly demonstrated to a group of onlooking professional skeptics that 5KW was possible with a small device, with a ground hook up, and then to really blow their minds, he disconnected the battery. The Kapandaze device has also been replicated on a smaller scale, also with a spark gap, and also disconnected from the battery. So no one can claim there is not an over unity principle being demonstrated.
So yes, I do believe Barbosa and Leal have probably also achieved success in a similar fashion, with a design that is a lot less complex.
The box is closed because they do not want people to know how they are doing it. The motive is no doubt, that it is very simple and very inexpensive to replicate once you see how it is done. Thus the fancy digital instrumentation to dress it up and make it look more sophisticated, and more expensive, than it really is.
If they wanted people to know how it is done they would open the box and show the circuitry, but that would spoil their plans to charge 5K for something that anyone could build with a discarded microwave transformer. Hence the plan to license manufacturers to charge the public exorbitant prices on their behalf.
Their plans will never pan out because at some point it has to be known what they are doing. One has to assume their newer patent filings will now disclose exactly what they are doing, because that is how patents work, you have to be able to replicate. From the looks of the dates on the existing patent work it may be another 6 months before that happens.
There is still plenty of time for suppression to take place. Really, they need to wake up from the pipe dream, show people what they are doing, and then charge a reasonable price for the device and get it on the market. They have no other choice IMHO.
Alternatively, if they are indeed stealing power, they will get absolutely nowhere, except to a jail cell, and very quickly so. They have to know that......
Well put EE (EarthEnergy). I agree 100%.
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earthenergy: Good luck with your replication attempt.
I have 2 points to make re Barbosa Leal.
1 Their patent is totally invalid. Anyone who discovers the real secret can patent it and get all the rights.
2 Investment scam. They can claim they genuinely believed they were getting earth energy, until proved otherwise.
BTW meters prove nothing. Put an amp meter near a plasma ball and you'll get tens of amps. It's easy to fool clamp meters
with a bit of circuitry.
Finally I had a good look at their other patents.
One is a Figuera copy, another is a mechanical Bedini copy without the switching. Even the patent you quote claims it works on DC. All this makes me very suspicious indeed.
If they are genuine, then as you say, just one engineer opens the box and posts a youtube video and anyone can replicate.
In my opinion you need pulsing for any free energy device to work.
But I cannot ignore that the Brazil electric grid uses single wire earth return for much of their territory.
So once again good luck with your replication attempt.
In the previous link I posted is the following information about the grid system in Brazil:
Lloyd Mandeno OBE (1888-1973) fully developed SWER in New Zealand around 1925 for rural electrification. Although he termed it "Earth Working Single Wire Line" it was often called "Mandeno's Clothesline".[9] More than 200,000 kilometres have now been installed in Australia and New Zealand. It is considered safe, reliable and low cost, provided that safety features and earthing are correctly installed. The Australian standards are widely used and cited. It has been applied in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan, Brazil, Africa, portions of the United States' Upper Midwest, and SWER interties have been proposed for Alaska and prototyped.
Use by developing nations
At present, certain developing nations have adopted SWER systems as their mains electricity systems, notably Laos, South Africa and Mozambique.[8] SWER is also used extensively in Brazil where it is termed "Redes Monofilares com Retorno por Terra" or "MRT". There are detailed standards and drawings available in Brazilian Portuguese that would be transferable to other Portuguese speaking countries such as Angola and Mozambique.[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return
Quote from: a.king21 on January 01, 2014, 10:31:54 AM
earthenergy: Good luck with your replication attempt.
I have 2 points to make re Barbosa Leal.
1 Their patent is totally invalid. Anyone who discovers the real secret can patent it and get all the rights.
2 Investment scam. They can claim they genuinely believed they were getting earth energy, until proved otherwise.
BTW meters prove nothing. Put an amp meter near a plasma ball and you'll get tens of amps. It's easy to fool clamp meters
with a bit of circuitry.
Finally I had a good look at their other patents.
One is a Figuera copy, another is a mechanical Bedini copy without the switching. Even the patent you quote claims it works on DC. All this makes me very suspicious indeed.
If they are genuine, then as you say, just one engineer opens the box and posts a youtube video and anyone can replicate.
In my opinion you need pulsing for any free energy device to work.
But I cannot ignore that the Brazil electric grid uses single wire earth return for much of their territory.
So once again good luck with your replication attempt.
Thanks a.king.... I just updated my post about loading to ground, it can be done with single phase, or with swer, it doesn't seem to matter, as I have done it with isolated square wave from a rectifier. It does show up on the meter. Are they pulling a meter scam? I doubt it.
I was not aware they have been using wording and or schematics from other patents, if that is true, it is not a good indicator, but is still not proof they are scamming, I do hope that scamming is not taking place, and I still do not think it is.
Not a pulsed input, just a moving field, Sweet proved that.
People also need to realize that we have always gotten an endless supply of free energy from magnetic fields. The force/energy applied to a generator shaft is not the force/energy coming out the other end. The energy applied to the generator shaft is used up to fight back emf from the induced field, it is not the energy that is converted into the electrical power that is coming out of the generator. It only appears that way. The electrical output of the generator is coming from the supplied magnetic field, over and over and over. That is in reality, a free energy pump that is restricted by back emf.
Regards
Further thought...... I would have to assume that that if they were stealing power the Utility company that came and took their meters back, and confiscated the boys transformers, would have also had them arrested for stealing power and trying to scam people in the process, it does not make any sense that the utility personnel would not level that accusation
There is one thing I cannot understand, maybe I'm dumb. If you look at Kapanadze green box video they measured over 20 amps flowing from or to ground via cable connected to water pipe (ideal ground if all pipes are long metalic underground).
I know that it's common to use ground connection as safety factor for breakers and sometimes ground is connected to neutral (here in Europe in case of badly planned installation or just right near the meter connection). I'm not EE and I'm curious : if I get DC-AC inverter of say 5kW and ground one end so it become neutral while the other become hot terminal - is there any current flowing to ground when inverter is loaded or unloaded ? Is there any case when this current is flowing ? What if someone disconnect this ground connection and take the bare wire into his hand while inverter is still powering load ?
if I get DC-AC inverter of say 5kW and ground one end so it become neutral while the other become hot terminal - is there any current flowing to ground when inverter is loaded or unloaded ?
Forest, I have been able to take one lead of a DC to AC inverter to ground and light a bulb. Therefore any ac current, whether it is swer, single phase, or inverter supplied AC current, will run to the ground with just one lead from the ac source.
Quote from: FatBird on December 31, 2013, 04:57:48 PM
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Below is some of the patent wording I copied out for this post.
1. Here, the earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4 are connected together to form the loop,
and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced). The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow
coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the electric power flowing in wire loop 4. The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.
2. The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction. With this arrangement, the current
circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, increasing the current flow there by a major
amount. Wire 3 (input) can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4 (output), but understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result
of the current in wire 3.
.
Using this words and patent schematics, I draw schematic.
Answering to this piture question ansver is yes. http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/131386/image//
Ground always is positive. Hight voltage always is negative. Ground is like warm, hight voltage is like cold.
Quote from: earthenergy on December 31, 2013, 05:19:14 PM
But after I re-read the patent wording several times, he keeps referring to THE LOOP. So if I am reading this right, wires 4
are SHORTED TOGETHER and together they form 1 wire of the output!!
.
In the latest video they appear to connect the ground to the bare copper of the closed loop. It must have proven to work better. (wondering why they didn't test that before filing a patent)
Yes you can get an output connecting one lead of the load to the closed loop and one to either side of the primary. I have done that and it will light a bulb, the ground must be connected, but I do not see any magic happening. It appears to be current going to ground from the primary. I may be missing something though.
I have also been testing off grid with a square wave inverter. Their setup may now require pure sine wave as they talk about working with the hydro company rather than eliminating them. It also seems that their first success and demos were with a battery/rectifier/inverter setup and now they are plugging into 220 from the wall instead, so that seems out of place.... is the single phase 220 pure sine wave being supplied to the primary where the very high efficiency begins to happen?
Also beginning to wonder if the primary coil and/or the closed loop coil have to be tapped midway/halfway
You can put, How I understand DC curent, but if you want get AC curent on output, you must put in AC curent, but must work and with DC curent, that sounds wery strange, but in pictures is plus and minus and patent speaking about DC curent.In DC version primary must have more turns.
Quote from: forest on January 01, 2014, 10:59:18 AM
There is one thing I cannot understand, maybe I'm dumb. If you look at Kapanadze green box video they measured over 20 amps flowing from or to ground via cable connected to water pipe (ideal ground if all pipes are long metalic underground).
I know that it's common to use ground connection as safety factor for breakers and sometimes ground is connected to neutral (here in Europe in case of badly planned installation or just right near the meter connection). I'm not EE and I'm curious : if I get DC-AC inverter of say 5kW and ground one end so it become neutral while the other become hot terminal - is there any current flowing to ground when inverter is loaded or unloaded ? Is there any case when this current is flowing ? What if someone disconnect this ground connection and take the bare wire into his hand while inverter is still powering load ?
If you use inverter and put one end it to ground, you not get any curent in this wire, maybe only wery small. And if you with one hand use one end of inverter, with other hand grounded cable, you not get basicly any shock, only maybe wery small. But if you use socket phase 220 volts in one hand and with other hand take cable conected to ground, then you be killed by electroshock instantly. Because you basicly put in you hands two ends of 220 volts AC.
BTW meters prove nothing. Put an amp meter near a plasma ball and you'll get tens of amps. It's easy to fool clamp meters
with a bit of circuitry.
A.King, I am wondering now if they are clamping the meter on the lead that is not going to ground... that would explain the .1 amp reading
Also now wondering now if the devices were taken because the utility figured out they were loading to ground.... could be the case!!!!!!!
Metters show corect, but then meashured Leal curent 0.1 amp, then is not good, that he meashure only one cable going from socket with clamp metter, he must meashure ant other cable, maybe if he meashure and oher, then we see 25 amps?
Hi a.king21
If simply conclude that (Barbosa and Leal device) does not work, will not convince everyone!
With the ingenious tricks that will make anyone look and will talk, that equipment is working!!! Example : Device effectively collect energy from the ground to receive it : ( But please you read : I just gave an example to look wide and I do not take any responsibility if someone that this self-realization and self risk you take ) . You have to find somewhere to the ground wire from power transmission towers high voltage (>22,000 voltage), in a foggy weather conditions , rain , wet ground ! Leakage power safety devices on the transmission line will connect the ground wire to a voltage ( pretty high ) . And from a metal bar deep into the ground near the tower grounding wire , connect the ground wire from the metal bar to your device will get power! ;D
Why, it was working before your eyes???
Regards
It looks like all of his units have a LOOP out in front for checking current.
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Quote from: MenofFather on January 01, 2014, 01:12:12 PM
Metters show corect, but then meashured Leal curent 0.1 amp, then is not good, that he meashure only one cable going from socket with clamp metter, he must meashure ant other cable, maybe if he meashure and oher, then we see 25 amps?
That is correct, the meter clamp should be put on both leads, one lead first, and then the other, just measuring one side is not proof. The current could be going through the other side, through the load, and then to ground.
It seems unusual that they have not been 'called on that' prior to making the video and would already know to demonstrate current flow in both leads, not just one. It would also seem that, at one point or another, they would have seen the current flowing through the other lead and would then realize they were getting their power from the utility and not the ground.
You would also think they would be called out by someone at the trade show and made to put the clamp on both leads.....
The responsibility is certainly on them to produce a better video with a first class demonstration of loading. Only one, 1000 watt bulb is necessary, and it should be up on the table where all wires can be seen and identified.
To their credit however, they do clamp the meter on both sides of the input of the large device and show the load going into the large device as identical on both leads. So if the smaller box is wired in the same manner, it would also show identical loads on both input leads. So the jury is still out.
Quote from: a.king21 on January 01, 2014, 10:31:54 AM
Finally I had a good look at their other patents.
One is a Figuera copy, another is a mechanical Bedini copy without the switching.
@a.king21,
Hi, Could you explain the similarities that you have found between the Figuera´s patent and the one by Barbosa and Leal ?
Thanks,
Hanon
Figuera has a 4 trafo at right angles patent. It's not the one we normally look at it's an earlier one.
Barbosa Leal have a similar one.
Just my opinion.
I am not a nay sayer, just a realist. I was hoping they had the Kapanadze secret, but I don't think so.
However if someone provides some experimental evidence that proves ou I am all ears.
Look, we are all experimenters. Their patent applications will not hold up.
How can a trafo work on DC?
Would you pass such a patent without evidence?
Also their motor generator patent is nonsense.
If anything Bruce De Palma and Bedini have precedence.
I am just being realistic.
But I am also interested in anyone's experimental results, if meaningful.
Watch this video in 1:38 and 2:40.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo
Current loop in hoot wire and neutral wire. ????
I am afraid you just cannot trust clamp meters. Dave 45 made a classic mistake with one on the energy amplification
forum just today. It happens to the best of us.
That's one reason why Verpies is designing a foolproof test circuit on the Dally thread.
Of course, a clamp meter is enough to fool would be investors. That is the problem.
Barbosa Leal have also not shown any convincing evidence of a device self running for any length of time.
If someone can post just one piece of independent experimental evidence
then I will be the first to replicate.
There are plenty of patents that have been replicated.
One is by Carlos Benitez.
Another is a Tesla variation on the igniter patent by Tito Oracion.
Another is the TPU by the late Otto
Another is the Colorado Springs variation by the Old scientist.
Then there are the many Bedini replications where individuals are up to COP > 2 at present.
Then there is Angus Wangus who is putting Bedini energy back into the grid - although the jury is still out on that one.
And we have the Akula Kapanadze variations which are self runners.
Also Leedskalin's pmh has been replicated. (I've done 2 myself)
Not to mention the water HHO Stanley Meyer replications by people like Dave Lawton.
Please don't ask me to provide links. I am not a librarian.
@a.king
Looking to patent WO2013185198A1 we must understand that they are referring to a component of a system not the entire generator (Electromagnetic Equipment Capturing Electrons and Generating an Electromagnetic Field)
The transformer shown is not powered with a continuous DC power. Below I am attaching a picture with my view about this part of the generator.
Another possibility is that the transformer shown is not a transformer at all, I mean no iron or other metals core but air core. I understand that the smallest generator is below 2kg. If that is true then 100% there is an air core transformer, just like Kapanadze, in reality air core it the best.
All other Barbosa patents are linked to this one or WO2013104039A1 depending on the source of additional power, Earth or Air.
Best regards,
Romero
Quote from: a.king21 on January 01, 2014, 12:16:50 AM
I've never trusted Barbosa leal ever since I spent 2 weeks on an unsuccessful replication attempt.
You can't get a trafo to work on dc. It has to be at least pulsed DC.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY:
Brazil uses a system of single wire earth return.
In these countries with SWER you can put 2 earth rods into the ground and steal the grid's electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return)
I know someone who did it in New Zealand and he told me how the experiment was conducted. It's better
if the earth rods are far apart.
Sorry to upset you, but truth is better than false hopes.
This is the most significant post in this thread.
Great Post Romerouk,
Yeah, I too am wondering if it has an AIR CORE because just the EMPTY METAL BOX should weigh 3 or 4 pounds.
Looking at the Spec Sheet below (posted on their site) their SMALLEST UNIT weighs 1.5 KG.
http://energiauniversal.eco.br/ (http://energiauniversal.eco.br/)
Quote from: romerouk on January 02, 2014, 07:11:37 PM
@a.king
Another possibility is that the transformer shown is not a transformer at all, I mean no iron or other metals core but air core. I understand that the smallest generator is below 2kg. If that is true then 100% there is an air core transformer, just like Kapanadze, in reality air core it the best.
All other Barbosa patents are linked to this one or WO2013104039A1 depending on the source of additional power, Earth or Air.
Best regards,
Romero
Thanks for pointing out the weight, that makes sense.
Here is an exciting overunity transformer, perhaps it is on another thread, but thought I would post here regardless. It is called a joule ringer. No amp meters needed to verify the efficiency of this device.
Not sure how to embed here on OU.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=homZvbKZHlU
This is a newer version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g
Here is the latest, very amazing....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3YWB-noPNo
I have a question. Is there any difference between 2 circuits ?
Hello all,
Could you please translate these videos to English please? (Full translate)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fujfam9GAQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OHuYleYQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSTteYaztGk
Maybe we will understand how they can extract free electrons from the ground.
Nowadays patenting is a tricky process - for example why not just a simple spark gap to ground instead of "captor" ? :o Maybe because it was in 1000 patents before ?
More pictures and info about Barbosa generatorThe Electron Captor should use pulsed DC or AC. Best candidate for a quick test is an MOT using the high voltage coil as primary and a secondary loop coil made of coax cable.
In the patent WO2013104043 the system is powered from batteries this way we can eliminate the idea of stealing power from the grid.
What if the plus and minus signs are actually pointing to phase and neutral?
@Romerouk
Great post disclosing the Jumper connection between Coil 3 and Coil 4.
Maybe that's one of the secrets for electrical operation they accidentally disclosed?
Look patent with capturing electron from space. And this picture.
In presentation captor from ground, Barbosa have 3 box connect with ground cabel?!?!?
Secret is in the air captor patent?
Quote from: a.king21 on January 01, 2014, 08:25:46 PM
How can a trafo work on DC?
This I also not understand. But if you make trafo on DC, you get electromagnet. In secondary windings is few turns of wery tick wire, to get wery much amps, in AC wery mych amps maybe create wery strong magnetic field, who mayve atracts electrons from ground, but in DC I dont know how explain, need jus try, that will be like in my schematic. But using DC need much more windings on primary and with tiner wire, to not get chort circuit.
Quote from: FatBird on January 02, 2014, 07:37:23 PM
Great Post Romerouk,
Yeah, I too am wondering if it has an AIR CORE because just the EMPTY METAL BOX should weigh 3 or 4 pounds.
Looking at the Spec Sheet below (posted on their site) their SMALLEST UNIT weighs 1.5 KG.
http://energiauniversal.eco.br/ (http://energiauniversal.eco.br/)
In air core you must have hight frenquency. And in patent is metal core drawed, who in perspective, but in 2D patents, no core. But you need wery much wire, to run on 50 herc on air core. Maybe 1000 meters wire.
Quote from: earthenergy on January 02, 2014, 10:38:16 PM
Here is an exciting overunity transformer, perhaps it is on another thread, but thought I would post here regardless. It is called a joule ringer. No amp meters needed to verify the efficiency of this device.
Not sure how to embed here on OU.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=homZvbKZHlU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=homZvbKZHlU)
This is a newer version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g)
Here is the latest, very amazing....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3YWB-noPNo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3YWB-noPNo)
Joule ringer is not overunity. It have eficienty about 80-93 precents. If it overunity, why nobody can not make selfrunning?
Hi All,
How to know the direction of the electric current is measured in ampere clamp from a piece of wire? Is to determine the current power line from the device is being run into the ground, either from the ground up equipment?...
Quote from: havuhung on January 03, 2014, 02:37:57 PM
Hi All,
How to know the direction of the electric current is measured in ampere clamp from a piece of wire? Is to determine the current power line from the device is being run into the ground, either from the ground up equipment?...
Direction you can not know. I can ask you or water cold makes water warm colder, or water warm makes water cold warmer?
Quote from: MenofFather on January 04, 2014, 09:37:03 AM
Direction you can not know. I can ask you or water cold makes water warm colder, or water warm makes water cold warmer?
Hi MenofFather,
Thank you, for your hint is: Should the next step is to determine the voltage measured at a point in (Barbosa and Leal device) and earthing points.
@Havuhung
How to know the direction of the electric current is measured in ampere clamp from a piece of wire?
Is to determine the current power line from the device is being run into the ground, either from the ground up equipment?
ANSWER: The Current Probe has to be measuring current from the Patented Device BECAUSE the patent says insulated
Wire 5 is WRAPPED around Wire 4.
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Quote from: FatBird on January 05, 2014, 06:46:06 AM
@Havuhung
How to know the direction of the electric current is measured in ampere clamp from a piece of wire?
Is to determine the current power line from the device is being run into the ground, either from the ground up equipment?
ANSWER: The Current Probe has to be measuring current from the Patented Device BECAUSE the patent says insulated
Wire 5 is WRAPPED around Wire 4.
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Hi FatBird,
What To prove that attracted the Wire 4 electrical grounding wire from Wire 5, the measurements do not have here?. .
Regards
Here they light up 6,000 Watts of Bulbs.
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They must be using high voltage in the system, thats the reason for the rubber gloves.
Must be a Kapandze setup, air core or ferrite, ground wire.
Quote from: Dave45 on January 06, 2014, 09:47:46 AM
They must be using high voltage in the system, thats the reason for the rubber gloves.
Must be a Kapandze setup, air core or ferrite, ground wire.
Dave, you are becoming more and more sharp... ;)
A TV NEWS program says their Free Energy Device will go on SALE NEXT MONTH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4
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Do you think they can sell this product?
I don't think so. The dark government will stop them.
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on January 07, 2014, 08:37:34 PM
Do you think they can sell this product?
I don't think so. The dark government will stop them.
maybe they will sell in digital media such as pdf or vidio. ???
Quote from: a.king21 on January 01, 2014, 08:25:46 PM
How can a trafo work on DC?
Maybe they have developed a kind of magnetic amplifier...
Quote from: hanon on January 08, 2014, 06:37:52 PM
Maybe they have developed a kind of magnetic amplifier...
More than likely its rectified ac that would mean without smoothing caps its pulsed dc.
Quote from: Dave45 on January 08, 2014, 06:46:16 PM
More than likely its rectified ac that would mean without smoothing caps its pulsed dc.
Dave. is that to say a trans will work using pulsed DC ?
Regards
Hello all,
There is a man. He has succeeded with Barbosa and Leal device. (I hope so).
Please watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu6tSoMh1Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVBBorUYaXxOd0gpdnwfDDg
Enjoy.
in my opinion. the only way to achieve overunity is to use both sides of the pulsed magnetic plasma. It can be done in many ways. And Barbosa and Leal device is one of them.
Quote from: lokke on January 14, 2014, 02:08:25 AM
in my opinion. the only way to achieve overunity is to use both sides of the pulsed magnetic plasma. It can be done in many ways.
can you descript that
Yes.
using the magnetic flux on both sides of a spark gap
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on January 14, 2014, 01:19:27 AM
Hello all,
There is a man. He has succeeded with Barbosa and Leal device. (I hope so).
Please watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu6tSoMh1Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVBBorUYaXxOd0gpdnwfDDg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu6tSoMh1Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVBBorUYaXxOd0gpdnwfDDg)
Enjoy.
Hi All, @truongcongduc4
Connected devices such as the video display: If success is an illusion! . . :D
Hello all,
I have an idea and I need some experts to help me. Please think about this case.
More comments, more fun. :D
I think these videos will help you to understand my idea. Is it possible? I don't know.
Motion of Free Electrons in a Metal Wire => You can think about "motion of free electrons in the 2 turns coil".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIJVB9oFP8
How transformers work => When the input increases but you withdraw the current in the secondary coil, what will happen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjwzpoCiF8A
Please correct me if I do something wrong.
I have a different question... What is the rule to find the direction of current in secondary of transformer ? Is that the lenz rule ? From the last video the current direction was such that the resulting magnetic field was opposite to the source magnetic flux , N to N and S to S poles. Is that correct or the video had an error ?
If such then I ask : did anybody tried the transformer in such arrangement like in the last video but with two C like cores separated physically by a very small gap by adhesive tape loosely connecting them together ? If there are opposing poles inside core then it should try to break apart two C pieces pushing them away from each other ? IS that correct ?
Sorry for offtopic but I feel it is important to know that...
Hello all,
More pictures to show you what I'm thinking. Remember that it is just an idea. And I don't know that: does it work or not ?
Please check it.
Quote from: forest on January 19, 2014, 05:26:19 AM
I have a different question... What is the rule to find the direction of current in secondary of transformer ? Is that the lenz rule ? From the last video the current direction was such that the resulting magnetic field was opposite to the source magnetic flux , N to N and S to S poles. Is that correct or the video had an error ?
If such then I ask : did anybody tried the transformer in such arrangement like in the last video but with two C like cores separated physically by a very small gap by adhesive tape loosely connecting them together ? If there are opposing poles inside core then it should try to break apart two C pieces pushing them away from each other ? IS that correct ?
Sorry for offtopic but I feel it is important to know that...
The last video just shows you "how the transformers work" in a very simple way. Please try to find another documents to understand the theory carefully if you think it is not correct.
My idea just talks about the loop, the coil (connect to the ground) and put them in the frame of transformer.
And you need to think out of the box. What will happen?
@truongcongduc4,
These questions and your ideas prove that you do not have in-depth knowledge of the electricity industry class! . .
Những câu hỏi và ý tưởng của bạn chứng tỏ rằng: Bạn không có kiến thức trường lớp chuyên sâu về ngành Điện! . .
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on January 14, 2014, 01:19:27 AM
Hello all,
There is a man. He has succeeded with Barbosa and Leal device. (I hope so).
Please watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu6tSoMh1Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVBBorUYaXxOd0gpdnwfDDg
Enjoy.
He posted the video several months ago and said he would update. He has not posted another word since. The video looked impressive at first with the ground wire looped around the closed loop windings but upon closer observation it also looks as though the ground may be connected to the copper as well. There is such a mess with the wiring you cannot easily see what is really going on. I believe he probably discovered he was running the load to ground, taking energy from the grid, and not getting anything extra. Otherwise he would probably have an improved device up and running by now and showing it to everyone. It is hard to believe it is a replication, unless he is doing a Tony Giang.....
IMO if Barbosa and Leal really wanted to impress the people they would use a small, pure sinewave inverter, to power the device, after all they are claiming 22 watts input and 6000 out, why would they want to use the grid to power the device? It does not make sense.
Time will very soon tell. If they can begin to sell devices and also manage to sign up manufacturers who have checked the device out, they will prove themselves to be legit.
earthenergy: I agree with every word.
@havuhung, just musing so don't shoot me on this. The single loop "secondary" has an induced current in it resulting in a magnetic field, the grounded conductor/coil wrapped around it is parallel to the magnetic field/perpendicular to the induced e-field and experiences charge separation. These charges are influenced by the magnetic field of the loop causing them to spin like in a cyclotron, emitting radiation?? Maybee that's the emission there are showing in one of the illustrations??
Click on the Link below to see some guys working on this at a different site:
Maybe we can get some FRESH IDEAS to post here?
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php)
The Thread Title there is: Overunity With NO Diodes, No Transistors, No Chips, No Gravity Wheels.
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There is one thing we are all missing and it is staring us in the face.
The diagram is NOT an ordinary trafo.
I know of no trafo with so much space around the coil.
Could that be the "secret"?
Quote from: havuhung on January 19, 2014, 09:03:53 AM
@truongcongduc4,
These questions and your ideas prove that you do not have in-depth knowledge of the electricity industry class! . .
Những câu hỏi và ý tưởng của bạn chứng tỏ rằng: Bạn không có kiến thức trường lớp chuyên sâu về ngành Điện! . .
Yes. You are right. So I need your help.
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on January 19, 2014, 08:33:14 PM
Yes. You are right. So I need your help.
Don't give up. Edison has no formal education , ...me too..... ::)
Quote from: phoneboy on January 19, 2014, 03:51:06 PM
@havuhung, just musing so don't shoot me on this. The single loop "secondary" has an induced current in it resulting in a magnetic field, the grounded conductor/coil wrapped around it is parallel to the magnetic field/perpendicular to the induced e-field and experiences charge separation. These charges are influenced by the magnetic field of the loop causing them to spin like in a cyclotron, emitting radiation?? Maybee that's the emission there are showing in one of the illustrations??
Yes, that's what I want to tell you. Please think about it.
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on January 20, 2014, 10:13:57 AM
Yes, that's what I want to tell you. Please think about it.
@truongcongduc4
With a power transformer primary winding and secondary curricula simply refer to electricity is done. (No need to consider in which electrons do! Because generally we've inherited the master formula retransmission.)
With a FE device you look objectively reasonable if it is or not! for example: You stand on the shore of a lake, holding your hand alone (that is not a force any) a tube dipped into the water in the lake, you will guide your hand above the head tube in a cup of water to flow into the ly for you! Same thing for you to extract electrical equipment from the ground! Let's try a little thought about this.
Với một biến thế điện có cuộn sơ cấp và thứ cấp chỉ cần tham khảo giáo trình điện là xong.(Không cần phải xem xét electron chạy trong đó như thế nào! vì nói chung ta đã được thừa hưởng công thức của các bậc thầy truyền lại.)
Với một thiết bị FE bạn hãy nhìn khách quan xem nó có hợp lý hay không! ví dụ: Bạn đứng trên bờ một hồ nước,tay bạn cầm yên(có nghĩa là không bất kỳ một lực) một chiếc ống nhúng sâu vào nước trong hồ, bạn sẽ hướng đầu ống phía trên tay bạn vào một chiếc ly để nước chảy vào chiếc ly cho bạn !!! Điều tương tự cho bạn với thiết bị trích xuất điện từ mặt đất ! Hãy thử một chút suy nghĩ về điều này.
Quote from: phoneboy on January 19, 2014, 03:51:06 PM
@havuhung, just musing so don't shoot me on this. The single loop "secondary" has an induced current in it resulting in a magnetic field, the grounded conductor/coil wrapped around it is parallel to the magnetic field/perpendicular to the induced e-field and experiences charge separation. These charges are influenced by the magnetic field of the loop causing them to spin like in a cyclotron, emitting radiation?? Maybee that's the emission there are showing in one of the illustrations??
Hi @phoneboy,
With the frequency of the loop diagram indicates it will be equal to the frequency of the regional electricity grid (50/60 Hz). With this frequency will not happen effects you're talking about! :D
"IMO if Barbosa and Leal really wanted to impress the people they would use a small, pure sinewave inverter, to power the device, after all they are claiming 22 watts input and 6000 out, why would they want to use the grid to power the device? It does not make sense." earthenergy
Sorry friend, but like they, i live in Brazil, use the grid to power the device is the unique way to do something like this work and get some money, without die.
@ Neofln,
Since you live in Brazil, is there any way you could take a camera photo, or cell phone picture of the inside of their smallest unit?
Maybe tell them you want to make sure there aren't any batteries in there??
Thanks.
Those boxes has epoxy all the way over :-X .
I wish that Barbosa and Leal will sell their products in this month and we can discover their secret.
Does anybody have any new news, or new ideas?
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There must be something wrong with this site,
because photos aren't showing up anymore.
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Hi Fellows,
I'm finding your chat on this thread quite "entertaining" (for lack of a better term) and the subject matter quite interesting. There have been far too many reported successful fabrications of Aether-Electric producing devices of late to seriously doubt the concept's authenticity.
In an effort to contribute a small bit here; please technically consider the following:
Dr. Harold Aspden's two latest patents [UK Patent # 2,432,463 May 23, 2007 and #2,390,941 January 21, 2004] both relating to "Electrical power generating apparatus."
Here are several related links, not only to the patent information but Aether Electric theory in general.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Harold_Aspden (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Harold_Aspden)
Scroll down to the PATENTS heading.
http://haroldaspden.com/ (http://haroldaspden.com/)
http://haroldaspden.com/reports/index.htm (http://haroldaspden.com/reports/index.htm)
Aspden's "Reports," especially No. 1 and No. 6; you may find provide a fresh prospective (???).
Also, Dr. Peter Linderman did a presentation regarding his opinion on some of Nikola Tesla's patents regarding, to some extent, Radiant Energy. Although I personally believe that many of Peters conclusions are not fully correct; he does provoke some interesting thoughts!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPK5sGKdBMQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPK5sGKdBMQ)
Regards...
Great intervention my freind!
:)
Hello all,
I have a question. What will happen if I put the loop inside of the Tesla coil with high frequency? What do you think?
Regards,
DucTC
@truongcongduc4,
Cannot be implemented this!
Hello @havuhung,
What will happen if the frequency is high enough to make the electrons moving faster and easier to trap? And it does not very high so that the device does not be burned.
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on January 25, 2014, 09:26:50 PM
Hello @havuhung,
What will happen if the frequency is high enough to make the electrons moving faster and easier to trap? And it does not very high so that the device does not be burned.
@truongcongduc4,
If you just want to test, the technique using frequency converter, you can easily adjust the desired frequency. Tesla has a lot of patents, but often referred to as the high voltage is not compatible for your purposes!
One thing you do not understand is: You will spend a lot more energy to get a small amount of energy from the earth! . .
@truongcongduc4 .
I have seen that you have uploaded The jaison' s video about the captor energia da terra . Have you tried to replicated it ? If yes any results ? .Thanks in advance .
A Captor witness report:
http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/
Regards
Sorry @andrea_bor, I did not succeed. I just backup their videos.
I repaint the picture. What do you think?
There is some interesting info & photos at this Witness site:
http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/ (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/)
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Quote from: FatBird on January 31, 2014, 11:16:38 AM
There is some interesting info & photos at this Witness site:
http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/ (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/)
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They wanted to go live, in terms of international sales, in January this year.
Its now February. Anyone has news ?
Their site isn't updated with any information regarding this.
Hi All,
I remember a time before news of the allegations (which steal electricity Brazilian authorities are questioning them!) Was unknown until now resolved yet? . . There are those who know about this?. .
FOR THOSE WHO MISSED IT.. try this link for some later information, look two thirds down the page,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29
read especially the part about negotiations with the Brazillian electricity company, this seems to be the holdup, maybe they are trying to stop them.
check the new readings and save the PDF page ..
On January 9, 2014, we were informed that the new Captor test results from December 12 were flawed, as one of the Amp meters they used was faulty, giving false readings for the battery's DC current. The above table reflects the "corrected" readings.
Previously, we reported: On December 12, 2013, Evolucoes Energia showed results from hooking their "free-space electron captor" to a battery, drawing 252 Watts, while powering a load of 1610 Watts -- which is 6.4 times overunity, showing the environmental free energy harvesting effect without being hooked to the grid.
- - - -
In November, 2013, Mr. Nilson said that he had an electrical engineer check the workings of his equipment, but it was not an independent examination. Additional validations are being scheduled.
here is a complete description and discussion of their invention .. very interesting ..
http://www.rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm
Here are some things I copied from their Patent, translated into English:
The patent can be downloaded and starts on Page 28.
The earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4 are
connected together to form the loop, and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced).
The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the
electric power flowing in wire loop 4. The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.
The power coil 3 can be energized by any source of electrical energy such as a power grid. The electron-trap can be configured to produce
alternating current or direct current. So, if the external power supply is alternating electrical current - AC, then the electron-trap provides
an alternating electrical current output. If the power supply is DC, then the electron-trap provides an output of continuous electrical current - DC.
The coils, each have at least one turn, and if the objective is to generate electricity, then preferably two turns, and if the objective is thermal
energy, then four turns. The coils 3 may have various different shapes. The number of turns in the coil are directly related to the amount of
current to be generated, and the connecting links may be either a single conductor or more than one conductor, the cross-sectional area of
conductor being selected to carry the current which is to be generated.
I am not convinced that the witnesses had the necessary skills to validate the tests.
They do not tell us if both conductors coming from the grid were metered during the tests. It may still be just the one conductor amp-metered that we have seen in the video, which of course may only be showing trace amounts of the load. For a proper demo the meter has to be clamped on each of the conductors independently, not just the one.
They have not yet demonstrated self running, and they should be able to do so. Battery discharged after 4 hours? An inverter powered by a battery will run power to ground, albeit only on one of the inverter outputs, I have done it with a modified sine wave inverter. (Only one wire of the two coming from the inverter will load to ground, not sure why.) (Not a 'SWER' locale)
The 1600 watt load sounds impressive enough, but... is the 'grid' supplying part of the power through the ground? It would be nice to see someone in a "SWER' location, who has the meters, run some tests with an inverter hooked to the 'captor transfo design' and see if the extra energy is being siphoned out of the grid through the ground wire. It would put this to sleep right away.
Why are they not able to self run the unit with the inverter as an intial source and then just rectify the output to close loop the system? Same question with the grid as an initial source?
Why are they hiding the unit in resin? The details are supposed to be in the Patent. A diligent business man will not license a technology unless the patent lines up with the product and can protect his product.
That they are building their own inverter to reduce costs does not make any sense. The market is saturated with inverters and it would be impossible to compete and why would they want to? Their unit has an extremely high mark up, why try and save a few bucks by building your own inverter?
They are willing to travel to demonstrate? Why not do a proper demonstration at home with qualified observers and independent test equipment?
It is also curious why they would have two meters from the power company. What measurements were they not sure of and double checking? If there was only 22 watts coming from the grid, and both conductors were metered, why the concern with grid meters? Something does not add up with that.
"The Captor with the 213,416 W output was hooked to a 3/4" iron pipe that worked as resistance. The Amp reading was 1002 A and the voltage reading was 213.6 V."
Loading a piece of steel pipe and heating it with high amperage is not an appropriate load test at all. Anyone who has tried to replicate their unit knows the high amp closed loop will produce a lot of heat very quickly with minimal input... and besides, who would have the nerve to short 1000 amps at 220 volts to a piece of pipe. You would have to be insane... i can guarantee you there was only half a volt, not 220. They may have measured 220 across the primary and the closed loop secondary but there is no way it was 220 going through the pipe, it would have blown up.
' .. is the 'grid' supplying part of the power through the ground? It would be nice to see someone in a "SWER' location, who has the meters, run some tests with an inverter hooked to the 'captor transfo design' and see if the extra energy is being siphoned out of the grid through the ground wire. It would put this to sleep right away.'
and that was my first thought ... my second was .. if I can get it to power half a dozen storage heaters does it really matter .. lol
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29 PAGE
http://www.rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm discussion and details of invention
OK Guys, I have a replication of this setup below. and will produce a video to show how it "works" or more to the point doesn't work.
I have it set up to show several effects of the arrangement, I also have my own separate ground stake which is as good or better than the house ground stake. I'll be using an in line safety switch on the grid input so any discrepancy in the current on the Lines A<>N over 30 Ma will shut off the power. However once isolated current can be sent through the ground. Something to consider, Also they say the ground wire is just wrapped around the closed loop which would give a capacitive coupling to the loop, they also show the active line from the grid connected to the loop (in one iteration) and then the power is drawn from between the loop and the Neutral line, or in other words the power is drawn as normal.
Now if the current is measured through the closed loop and the voltage is measured between the closed loop and the Neutral line the "power" figure would be enormous but it is not a power value. I'll show why, I intend to use a step down transformer so that it has a "grounded neutral" of it's own as well as a coupled connection from that ground to the loop. And a direct connection from the active of my "LV line" to the loop.
In order not to melt the 10 Amp Auto wire I made the loop from I will need to vary the input voltage with a variac.
I'll be back with a video !.
Cheers
P.S. The last picture shows on the left one iteration as shown in the patent, on the right is how I have mine setup so as to get isolation from the grid but recreate a grounded neutral AC system. AS well in the bottom right hand corner I show how I will test using an actual capacitor as a coupling to the loop from the ground. Without connecting the active line to the loop I don;t see how it can work except for transferring through the capacitor to complete the load loop of current.
ALSO: I am fairly sure they do show the AC input half wave rectified in one arrangement but I also think they say it is not necessary and normal AC can be used. I can try rectified as well.
Can anyone confirm that last statement ?
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Glad Farmhand you joined in
My understanding of the circuit is the 2 turn loop of the secondary is connected to another transformer with 2 turns as well
the input can be dc or ac ...... the loop is wrapped or encased in copper tube connected to ground to dissipate the heat....
If he used a rectifier ac to dc one leg of ac to live the other leg is to ground not the neutral this for input
for output is the same in reverse to produce ac
Ive tried this on reactive capacitor charger and it works but tripped my cb several times...... without the ground and just Neutral my 7ah battery is humming out like it will explode ( 165 v dc injection) but with the ground the charge
climbed at a steady rate :)
either he used three transformers in a loop two for input 2 turns in the secondaries the third transformer same 2 turns in the secondary and primary as output
my tests stopped from there abruptly and waiting for some other development from this thread......
:)
If it is all this simple as shown in their patent then why do they fill their units with red epoxy to hide their device from reverse engineering? I think they have left something out of the patent as many inventors do and that is the secret of their 'energy Captor'. I would suspect some fort of oscillator using high power MosFets.
hi I think you are right, from memory when I first read about it there was mention of a magnetic field oscillator, that is/ was said to be the key to accessing the extra energy, it is the timer for the switching between the a/c d/c it is referred to but not detailed.
OK here is two video's, the first one shows the setup I arranged to make a lower voltage "grounded neutral AC system" just like the grid is, as well as some of the actual arrangement. The second video shows the experiment and such. I made a slight editing error and the last minute or so of the first video might be repeated in the second, I got tired. Seems like with the active line connected to the loop the power is drawn as normal (paid for) and the shorted loop simply shows a huge current and dissipates some power as heat and not much else. And without the active line connected to the loop there is no way for output power to be drawn. There is no reason to measure the current in that loop to determine output power, it's the current through the load we need to measure to get the output power to the lamp, but my AC clamp meter is not accurate enough, (it works good on DC amps). I could use the scope and a CSR to measure the current. Most telling is the grid power meter.
I'm open to trying some other methods of applying this setup and I only say this is what happened when I did it this way. I do admit there is other aspects to the different iterations of this device, so I keep an open mind.
Just watching some of the first video to get the gist of the setup is enough, the main experiment is the second video.
Part 1 (setup ect.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eMDna8FbNQ
Part two (experiment ect.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNPeMHH8KgE
Cheers
Quote from: e2matrix on February 05, 2014, 02:24:33 PM
If it is all this simple as shown in their patent then why do they fill their units with red epoxy to hide their device from reverse engineering? I think they have left something out of the patent as many inventors do and that is the secret of their 'energy Captor'. I would suspect some fort of oscillator using high power MosFets.
Hello e2matrix ! I think with a X ray we can makes photographs even they have filled all that box with epoxy .... It very simple... But we must have at leas one functional unit to do that
it is claimed to have passed the safety tests carried out by the Brazilian electricity generating company with whom they are presently negotiating a contract, the commercial law firm negotiating on their behalf is reputed to be the best in their field. The negotiations are what is thought to be holding up progress and further news of developments .. perhaps they will go the same way as Genepax . the japanese car which runs on water and which initially went into negotiations with Toyota. The technology is out on the street undergoing further trials and development (for the last four years) with the power units in coaches and electrical generators, they are even building units for testing in railway engines and shipping. Unfortunately for us the plebs, the future still looks rather bleak and no doubt we will have to continue to pay for energy on a unit consumed basis. .. but then again .. we could just put on an extra jumper and eat cold food .. they wouldn't like that would they.
@Slotinnn
BRILLIANT about using an X-Ray to make photos right through the red epoxy.
Now if only we lived down in Brazil so we could buy one to X-Ray. LOL
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Quote from: havuhung on December 28, 2013, 10:59:06 PM
Hi @ truongcongduc4
You will accomplish a lot wrapped wire loop on it! or any other idea. Just testing! . . ( You are traveling to the legend in the fantasy world created by two authors Land BRASIL! )
havuhung
I am Brazilian, and I'm already annoyed with dicking around about how we are bastards, not all Brazilians are the way you guys say is the same thing I talk about that all the Americans and British are killers, mass murderers, thieves, and fools, not that is not true, then I guess you guys (American and English) as well stay quietly because you guys should be ashamed of what they are, caring for the life of you, because Brazil and Brazilians do not steal other peoples oil or precious metals , much less gets life in other countries ......
take shame in the face of life and take care of you jerks her.
This one is not going to have a happy ending. I checked the PESN article about the very high power output and it's not credible. My instincts are telling me it's a con and one year from now in 2015 there will still be nothing. The longer these guys can play their game the more chance they have of finding an investor. Once they find an investor they can use that money to pretend that they have a company and live off the money as freeloaders.
Quote from: skribat on February 08, 2014, 03:40:55 PM
it is claimed to have passed the safety tests carried out by the Brazilian electricity generating company with whom they are presently negotiating a contract, the commercial law firm negotiating on their behalf is reputed to be the best in their field. The negotiations are what is thought to be holding up progress and further news of developments ..
Can you provide a link to this information please? I have not seen it....
I think it's a con as well, I think they measure the current in the loop and the voltage across the lines.
And to hide that they use the epoxy filler. Simple. If it can't be replicated from the patent application then the patent application is invalid in my opinion.
In my opinion it just goes to show that people may well lodge patent
applications knowing full well the devices do not work. It could be for reasons of
gaining funding or for selling the idea for quick profit. Or other reasons.
Many people have patent applications that have no chance of working so we
ought to keep that in mind.
Patent applications from folks like Barbosa and Leal, Tariel, and some Russian guys are very suspicious/dubious.
Cheers
Quote from: Farmhand on February 09, 2014, 12:15:13 PM
In my opinion it just goes to show that people may well lodge patent
applications knowing full well the devices do not work. It could be for reasons of
gaining funding or for selling the idea for quick profit. Or other reasons.
I think in the beginning they may have just been inept. Probably now see they are wrong and do not want to admit it. They should be able to run that 6000 watt 'captor' they claim is only consuming 22 watts from a very small 'pure sine wave' inverter yet they demo a different unit that requires a large inverter that will only run for four hours. They have some explaining to do...
Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on February 09, 2014, 02:03:36 PM
I think in the beginning they may have just been inept. Probably they now see they have nothing and do not want to admit it. They should be able to run that 6000 watt 'captor' they claim is only consuming 22 watts, from a very small 'pure sine wave' inverter, not the grid, yet they demo a different unit that produces much less power that requires a very large inverter, that will only run for four hours. They have some explaining to do... that is why the expertise of the observers that went down there must be questioned, they should have asked to have the inverter power the 6000 watt unit and verify the 22 watt input.
I have checked the filing date of their patents, january 2012, and they have time to extend the PCT patent to other international countries until august 2014. So, I think that in august we will know for sure their credibility: if the patents are extended then it will mean that they have something great in their hands. If not extended then , or it is not great , or they have been paid a lot to bury the technology....Time will tell.
There is something with the grounding loop, I take it the dotted lines represent a magnetic field. what if you continued to loop that hundreds of times insulating it from the "secondary wire" and induce a magnetic field onto the "secondary wire" causing electron flow...But its not a complete circuit you will say. you re ground the coil a distance from the original coil ground and SWER could be the supplier or not
Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on February 09, 2014, 11:42:09 AM
Can you provide a link to this information please? I have not seen it....
here are some of the links I saved, I think it is here but won't have time to search through today, sk
energia .. links
http://diretodaaldeia.blogspot.fr/2013/10/empresarios-denunciam-perseguicao-por.html
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29
http://www.rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm
http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/
http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-
http://energiauniversal.eco.br/
I asked for news to see if everything was ok, it seems they are under some pressure but I cannot be specific.
This is a reply I have just received from a close contact of the inventors .. I don't give the name of the contact because I was asked not to. ..
The device is called Captor as it amplifies electrical potentials from the planet. One need to give some electrical power at this is amplified about 90 times.
I have been talking with them and at next May they will be here where i live to demonstrate the technology. I And our NGO will buy one to be donated to a philanthropic institution.
Is out intention to publicize abut this in such that the inventors can not anymore be treated and the technology can not be suppressed.
After this point a new vision about energy will emerge here in Brazil and we hope that this will spread...
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Quote from: skribat on February 13, 2014, 10:30:34 AM
I asked for news to see if everything was ok, it seems they are under some pressure but I cannot be specific.
This is a reply I have just received from a close contact of the inventors .. I don't give the name of the contact because I was asked not to. ..
The device is called Captor as it amplifies electrical potentials from the planet. One need to give some electrical power at this is amplified about 90 times.
I have been talking with them and at next May they will be here where i live to demonstrate the technology. I And our NGO will buy one to be donated to a philanthropic institution.
Is out intention to publicize abut this in such that the inventors can not anymore be treated and the technology can not be suppressed.
After this point a new vision about energy will emerge here in Brazil and we hope that this will spread...
.
If they cannot disconnect from the grid, they do not have anything IMHO. They cannot demonstrate self running with an inverter as the battery dies. They show self running with an inverter in the patent, but cannot demonstrate it. It is very hard to believe they have anything. They will not sell the product, they will not show what is in the resin. Too many things do not make any sense.
The Pacific ocean is dying from Fukushima and there are many more of those reactors that will fail in earthquakes and tsunamis. Anyone at this point in time who would put personal gain over open sourcing is a greedy and selfish person, and also dumb...
PS read God's warnings at http://revelation12.ca
@ Skribat
Thank you for keeping us informed with your nice post.
Please continue to let us know what's going on with their invention down in Brazil.
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QuoteThe device is called Captor as it amplifies electrical potentials from the planet. One need to give some electrical power at this is amplified about 90 times.
Here's a little advice. Just take off one part of the "90 times" amplification and feed it back to the input. Then you'll have a mere 89 times amplification... but you can disconnect from the "electrical potentials from the planet" for good, once the thing is started up.
There, I give you that much for nothing. If you can't figure out how to do it, please let me know and I'll tell you how. But that will cost you.
just-sayin
I have to agree with you but .. like everyone else 'I want to believe' .. if they have found a way to recover from the earth that which has been lost from the grid .. by connecting to the grid .. and in the end resulting in an increase in power available for use, then that for the consumer would be a net gain .. wherever the extra power comes from if we can use it without it costing us more money then that would be a good thing.
At the moment it seems the cold fusion plasma devices are the most successful and that maybe the first to flood the market will be that of Andrea Rossi, it seems they have the distribution network in place, we get nothing for nothing though it seems .. It is the intention that through a worldwide network of manufacturing and dealerships they will operate a leasing system, this of course means they will collect taxes for the governments of the countries involved. Because of the ability to effectively tax customers for use, .. on an ongoing basis, there is a greater possibility of it succeeding. follow the money .. it's all about the money when it comes to success.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 13, 2014, 06:22:29 PM
Here's a little advice. Just take off one part of the "90 times" amplification and feed it back to the input. Then you'll have a mere 89 times amplification... but you can disconnect from the "electrical potentials from the planet" for good, once the thing is started up.
There, I give you that much for nothing. If you can't figure out how to do it, please let me know and I'll tell you how. But that will cost you.
Hi All, Hi TinselKoala
I want to know is how does what you say, if you can share.
Regards
Havuhung
Quote from: skribat on February 13, 2014, 10:30:34 AM
I asked for news to see if everything was ok, it seems they are under some pressure but I cannot be specific.
This is a reply I have just received from a close contact of the inventors .. I don't give the name of the contact because I was asked not to. ..
The device is called Captor as it amplifies electrical potentials from the planet. One need to give some electrical power at this is amplified about 90 times.
I have been talking with them and at next May they will be here where i live to demonstrate the technology. I And our NGO will buy one to be donated to a philanthropic institution.
Is out intention to publicize abut this in such that the inventors can not anymore be treated and the technology can not be suppressed.
After this point a new vision about energy will emerge here in Brazil and we hope that this will spread...
.
Wouldn't it be possible for you to buy a epoxied device, and resell -> reship it ?
I would gladly pay up to 500 euro more on that.
Also doing that to some key people around the world should resolve the 'pressure' problem on that right ?
If you have interest in this, feel free to respond/pm me.
Sincerely.
electrons are like water, you do not have energy in water, you need energy to pump water but if you had energy from outside which pump water on the hill then you get free energy by falling water , got it ? >:( this captor is a misleading to hide the principle behind capturing electrons, exactly like in Kapanadze devices there is no energy in dormant electrons, they are just a workhorse doing work by external energy
Hi forest,
Yes.
Thank you
Fact does not need years of bullshit! And its all bullshit this device!
Quote from: forest on February 14, 2014, 05:14:28 AM
electrons are like water, you do not have energy in water, you need energy to pump water but if you had energy from outside which pump water on the hill then you get free energy by falling water , got it ? >:( this captor is a misleading to hide the principle behind capturing electrons, exactly like in Kapanadze devices there is no energy in dormant electrons, they are just a workhorse doing work by external energy
but most of us did't see what is waterfall nor how it's look like, can you show us?
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: forest on February 14, 2014, 05:14:28 AM
electrons are like water, you do not have energy in water, you need energy to pump water but if you had energy from outside which pump water on the hill then you get free energy by falling water , got it ? >:( this captor is a misleading to hide the principle behind capturing electrons, exactly like in Kapanadze devices there is no energy in dormant electrons, they are just a workhorse doing work by external energy
I believe there is energy in water. You seperate the hydrogen and oxygen, and use the hydrogen for things like hydrogen fueled vehicles, and other stuff ;D
Have fun all.
Bob
@ Skribat,
Can you find out if the WEIGHT of 1.5 KG (for the 12 KW Unit) is wrong, because it seems like just the EMPTY BOX
would weigh more than that.
Looking at the Spec Sheet below, it says the 12 KW unit weighs 1.5 KG. Something seems wrong about that weight.
http://energiauniversal.eco.br/
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fat bird .. hi ..
everything I have read says 1.5kg, it does seem light but 6kw output is not really a lot, it might be right. can I direct you here http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable- for further information, you might find this interesting .. sk
@ Skribat,
Thank you for that article site. But still see if you can find out if the WEIGHT of 1.5 KG (for the 12 KW Unit) is wrong, because it seems like just the
EMPTY BOX would weigh more than that (about 3.5 Pounds). Notice their Patent Photo below shows an Iron Core, which IMPLIES SIGNIFICANT WEIGHT
for a 12,000 Watts Output.
The reason that's important is because if that 1.5 KG weight is correct, it STRONGLY IMPLIES that unit has an AIR CORE rather than an Iron Core.
http://energiauniversal.eco.br/
Cant find the town of Empress-MA in any search engine. Can you please give country and location of town?
hi.. fatbird
maybe 1.5 kg is weight without box,
hi.. dasenergy
great, if you will go there ,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29
"At this moment the equipment being sold only to customers located in the city of Imperatriz - MA, Brazil "
Quote from: FatBird on February 14, 2014, 09:25:49 AM
@ Skribat,
Thank you for that article site. But still see if you can find out if the WEIGHT of 1.5 KG (for the 12 KW Unit) is wrong, because it seems
like just the EMPTY BOX would weigh more than that (about 3.5 Pounds). Notice their Patent Photo below shows an Iron Core.
The reason that's important is because if that 1.5 KG weight is correct, it STRONGLY IMPLIES that unit has an AIR CORE rather than an Iron Core.
Thank you.
The 12 Kw device weitht 45 KG
Hello all,
I try to find on the internet and there is a video that look like Barbosa and Lead device. I believe that if he connect his device with the ground, it can supply more free energy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRKykwLLHPc
Enjoy.
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on February 14, 2014, 10:29:45 AM
Hello all,
I try to find on the internet and there is a video that look like Barbosa and Lead device. I believe that if he connect his device with the ground, it can supply more free energy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRKykwLLHPc
Enjoy.
When watching it, I saw this video aswell (in recommended thing or something.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvspL4kMY54
Applying the same principles we should be able to create a over unity right ?
Or atleast a statiska generator ?
Quote from: DaS Energy on February 14, 2014, 09:29:54 AM
Cant find the town of Empress-MA in any search engine. Can you please give country and location of town?
DaS Energy.
Use http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/
I can find the map easily.
For those who missed it first time round here is my first post again .. going to the peswiki link will give you the revised test results showing 6.4 times over unity .. there is also a map showing the location of the inventors in Brazil .. skribat
FOR THOSE WHO MISSED IT.. try this link for some later information, look two thirds down the page,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29
read especially the part about negotiations with the Brazillian electricity company, this seems to be the holdup, maybe they are trying to stop them.
check the new readings and save the PDF page ..
[ EXTRACT]
On January 9, 2014, we were informed that the new Captor test results from December 12 were flawed, as one of the Amp meters they used was faulty, giving false readings for the battery's DC current. The above table reflects the "corrected" readings.
Previously, we reported: On December 12, 2013, Evolucoes Energia showed results from hooking their "free-space electron captor" to a battery, drawing 252 Watts, while powering a load of 1610 Watts -- which is 6.4 times overunity, showing the environmental free energy harvesting effect without being hooked to the grid.
- - - -
In November, 2013, Mr. Nilson said that he had an electrical engineer check the workings of his equipment, but it was not an independent examination. Additional validations are being scheduled.
here is a complete description and discussion of their invention .. very interesting ..
http://www.rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm
« Last Edit: February 03, 2014, 01:24:20 PM by skribat »
Quote from: Marsing on February 15, 2014, 12:21:28 AM
DaS Energy.
Use http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/
I can find the map easily.
Don't lie, no you haven't, nice try but!
"Cant find the town of Empress-MA in any search engine. Can you please give country and location of town?"
Das Energy .. you are searching with the translation .. you must search Imperatz .. read the post again and look at the name on the map sk
Quote from: skribat on February 15, 2014, 05:13:07 AM
Das Energy .. you are searching with the translation .. you must search Imperatz .. read the post again and look at the name on the map sk
As what i have predicted it's was "HUMAN ERRORS". :o
das energy you are welcome to ask more help.....
Quoting the English translation of FatBird in the picture accompanying the post.
"At this moment the equipment being sold only to customers in the town of Empress-MA."
Having sold one if any the inventor could get them to vouch for the honesty that one has been sold and it does as claimed!
Quote from: Marsing on February 14, 2014, 09:38:23 AM
hi.. fatbird
maybe 1.5 kg is weight without box,
hi.. dasenergy
great, if you will go there ,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29
"At this moment the equipment being sold only to customers located in the city of Imperatriz - MA, Brazil "
dasenergy,
>>> Imperatriz - MA, Brazil <<<
Read the post again and had it translated.
Electron Transducer generator of the Earth
"Product: Sold
Installed equipment: industrial application
Power: 39.6 kW 220V
Total generation capacity/month:
28,728 kWh
Total electric energy consumption/month:
316.8 kWh
Operating Regime: Uninterrupted
Temperature: 60° C
Noise level: 0 dB
Degree of protection: IP66
Insulation: 120° C "
Supposedly they are selling them!
Then why can't we talk to a customer? Why can't you or I buy one? Why can't Sterling Allan run his home and pay his bills?
I know why.... and so do you.
Genepax .. Stan Myers water car, Geet devices and Cold fusion are now all proven .. it's good to be sceptical but in order to succeed you must believe. ' removing the resistance ' is also a proven formula for success .. once people think that something previously impossible has been done they will find a way to replicate it. .. I took these posts from another forum .. also I have emailed another contact of theirs to see if there is more news.
Juca Mario Marq
• 3 months ago
The first time that I talked with Nilson he said that everything was OK
and he had no problem with CEMAR (Maranhão state electric supply). At this time
I had some concern. One week after that he was arrested. The reason for that
was 2 kilowatt-hour meters they found in their lab. Those meters were borrowed
for test and they had the paperwork to prove that. Nilson is OK now, but he is very upset with "Brazil".
He is a good and simple guy......
Stuart Campbell Mod Asterix
• 3 months ago
I think that question is on everyone's mind somehow Asterix. Some would be more interested in the beer than a device !
I am not saying it will work, but then again I am not saying it won't work.
The one thing that does give me some hope that it does work, is that I cannot see the local power company rushing in to remove the units if they weren't working.
Also why would they get a court order to ban the sale of the units under the basis of not being certified, if they weren't in fact working.
Something had to be there for them to act the way they did.
"Also why would they get a court order to ban the sale of the units under the basis of not being certified, if they weren't in fact working."
cer·ti·fy (sûr′tə-fī′)
v. cer·ti·fied, cer·ti·fy·ing, cer·ti·fies
a. To confirm formally as true, accurate, or genuine.
This is my latest news which I will share with you, I cannot give the source of this and cannot prove its validity but my connection has no reason not to tell the truth.
Last news from the guys from Maranhão, is that they are
facing lawsuit against the power company.
Judge banned the sales and marketing of the equipment and those were sold, were confiscated back by the police.
I know that researchers are trying a way to not need the imput of the network, which is what stimulates the equipment.
I'll call back the guys (inventors) to see if I can get a scheme, after all the guys already have the patent. What more they can possible want?
There is a fackt that can facilitate us the access to the device, but I can not comment yet.
We are trying to get more details, please write to me soon again, for news.
Thank you Skribat for the news update.
Please Post more updates as you find them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4
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Quote from: skribat on February 15, 2014, 10:37:08 AM
This is my latest news which I will share with you, I cannot give the source of this and cannot prove its validity but my connection has no reason not to tell the truth.
Last news from the guys from Maranhão, is that they are
facing lawsuit against the power company.
Judge banned the sales and marketing of the equipment and those were sold, were confiscated back by the police.
I know that researchers are trying a way to not need the imput of the network, which is what stimulates the equipment.
I'll call back the guys (inventors) to see if I can get a scheme, after all the guys already have the patent. What more they can possible want?
There is a fackt that can facilitate us the access to the device, but I can not comment yet.
We are trying to get more details, please write to me soon again, for news.
They have a
patent application which anyone can file even if the device works or not, what they really need is an
actual granted Patent, not just an application, there is a huge difference.
Cheers
Quote from: Marsing on February 15, 2014, 05:34:24 AM
As what i have predicted it's was "HUMAN ERRORS". :o
das energy you are welcome to ask more help.....
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Nice of you to show your cunning repeatedly. Town names don't change with translation, your shit may be called poo and your urine lemonade but town names don't change!]
Quote from: DaS Energy on February 16, 2014, 01:05:24 AM
Nice of you to show your cunning repeatedly. Town names don't change with translation, your shit may be called poo and your urine lemonade but town names don't change.
I didt say, "Town names don't change with translation"
if you still can not find the map, it's yours, anybody else can find that.
you should read all post including the link given to you.
good bye
Quote from: Marsing on February 16, 2014, 03:11:30 AM
I didt say, "Town names don't change with translation"
if you still can not find the map, it's yours, anybody else can find that.
you should read all post including the link given to you.
good bye
Town names don't change with translation!
"At this moment the equipment being sold only to customers in the town of Empress-MA."
The map you provide shows Imperatriz - MA, Brazil, no mention of Empress-MA!
CAN'T FIND ON THE MAP? click this link for map, look down the page,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29
see also for new test results showing 6.4 times overunity .. you can download PDF file of test, look for the link PDF
or try viamichelin.com and search for IMPERATRIZ Maranhao, you should find it ok
Its Empress-MA! that I look for. That's where the inventors claim to be selling it!
hi everyone,
Have anyone seen Barbosa Leal replication videos.I'm new to this topic.I have just watch the video which shows the connection details to a certain extend.Do watch the drill test video.I think this video contain the most details.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHRBySqA7Aw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHRBySqA7Aw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSTteYaztGk
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSTteYaztGk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oHIvvfxb8w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oHIvvfxb8w)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwIv4tA3eLg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwIv4tA3eLg)
I hope someone can verify this videos.
hi Das energy .. You won't find Empress, I think it is a translation, I have checked the address and the map the good place is Imperatriz .. some times people use the Town name, the Region or even the district, for the postal address try the inventors website which I seem to remember was changed but not updated (if that makes sense) I mean they built a new website and then it seems not to be maintained with new information, but you can give it a try, sk
maybe there is a misunderstanding somewhere, empresa (empress)? means company if translated from Portugese. you can send me a private message if it is important .. I have a recent email from them which says that they are not selling at the moment but they are responding to applications for licencing to manufacture, (written in Portugese).
Those they already have sold to, must be seeking a refund! They have excuse after excuse after excuse. Really its quite tedious leaving no doubt they are liars!.
HI guys .. this is worth watching it is not ordinary free energy videos, I think this is not a magic trick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVvZzeDe5U TIGER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTWKHoncK4 PT2
I'm not ready to write-off Barbosa and Leal, they seem like good guys, I have two contacts in Brazil who tell me the devices which have been confiscated by police were working units and there is nothing written on blogs etc about them not being real, you can see in the video which I posted links to several times of the working unit in the fabrication workshop. Time will tell if it is true or not. At this time I think the authorities would like us all to believe that it is a fraud then we would forget all about it ... bad news travels fast.
Hi DaS Energy,
Well, I guess they do not have these devices actually work.
Quote from: skribat on February 16, 2014, 07:01:33 AM
HI guys .. this is worth watching it is not ordinary free energy videos, I think this is not a magic trick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVvZzeDe5U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVvZzeDe5U) TIGER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTWKHoncK4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTWKHoncK4) PT2
Hi skribat,
This is just a magic show, these as Realstrannik.ru forum topics have been discussed respectively...
Hello havuhung,
I find myself having that conclusion, which in some ways irks me as they built two companies around my knowledge, and the energy developments these companies have suffered a similar amount of query and mockery.
Amplification of energy is quite easy, put two wires into a tree and tap its amperage into a capacitor and you have enough power to run a house, however the duration is dependant on how long the amperage has been storing.
The inventors lay claim its straight wattage in and out yet their secrecy defies that. As for Patents there is no such thing as a world Patent, they are taken country by country, and many wont Patent unless your a citizen. The next problem is if you don't have the money to enforce your Patent its money pissed up the wall.
Hi DaS Energy,
Principles that their patent refers to (extract energy from the ground), not logical to have a device running properly as what they are yet, they can try to hide a different principle if the device they are real! . . :D
Regards
Here is some wording from their PATENT that sounds like their CAPTOR unit Charges a BANK of BATTERIES.
It looks like the FINAL OUTPUT comes from an INVERTER UNIT which gets powered from the Bank of Batteries.
My point is that it APPEARS the advertised 12 KW output comes from the INVERTER and NOT directly from the Captor.
Is it possible that the Captor charges the batteries ALL NIGHT so the inverter can power the house during the day? ??? ??
Why is this important? Because maybe that explains why their Spec Sheet rates the 12,000 WATTS unit at 1.5 KG (less than 4 pounds).
Just the EMPTY METAL BOX must weigh at least 3 or 4 pounds! So What's Going On Here??
Here are some words Directly From The Patent (which can be Downloaded below):
ABSTRACT:
The present invention relates to electric energy generation equipment comprising a basic circuit formed by a rectifier (10),
for example, an AC/DC converter connected in series to an inverter (12), for example, a DC/AC converter, and a bank of batteries (13)
connected in series between the rectifier (10) and the inverter (12). An electron-capturing element (14), which can be either a
free space electron-capturing element or, alternatively, an earth electron-capturing element, is connected in series to the basic circuit
formed by the rectifier (10), the inverter (12) and the battery assembly (13). The bank of batteries (13) powers the basic circuit because
it is connected to the system. Consequently, the inverter (12) converts direct current into alternating current and supplies this current
to the electron-capturing element (14). After receiving the electric current from the inverter (12), the electron-capturing element (14) starts
capturing electrons from the alternating current and powering the rectifier (10), which converts the alternating current into a direct current
in order to recharge the bank of batteries (13) and power the inverter (12) which powers the electron-capturing element, closing the feedback loop,
and also providing electric energy for consumption by external loads.
Click on this Link to see the Full Spec Sheet: http://energiauniversal.eco.br/ (http://energiauniversal.eco.br/)
Comments Welcome.
FatBird
Don't you see ?? It's Tito schematic. ;)
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So now we have Russian scientists saying they have used Tesla to access free energy, (cold electricity) an overunity ratio of greater than 10:1 ,, 160w input 1.6 to 2 kw output . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJimMDrmwrM
. it looks to me very similar in principle to Energia Universal (Barbosa and Lea) and Tariel Kapanadze. .. so why shouldn't we assume that they work also. I think we .. the people are very close to success, I'm not surprised the the UK government are trying to push people into 'Public Ownership') schemes of windpower etc .. they are trying to lock the people in before the people wise up to the fact that free energy is knocking on the door .. we will succeed.
Quote from: skribat on February 19, 2014, 07:48:38 AM
So now we have Russian scientists saying they have used Tesla to access free energy, (cold electricity) an overunity ratio of greater than 10:1 ,, 160w input 1.6 to 2 kw output . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJimMDrmwrM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJimMDrmwrM)
. it looks to me very similar in principle to Energia Universal (Barbosa and Lea) and Tariel Kapanadze. .. so why shouldn't we assume that they work also. I think we .. the people are very close to success, I'm not surprised the the UK government are trying to push people into 'Public Ownership') schemes of windpower etc .. they are trying to lock the people in before the people wise up to the fact that free energy is knocking on the door .. we will succeed.
Hi skribat,
It is a pity that when the device is always FE inventors concealed the true principles of its work, to come a time later it disappeared along with the inventor, but for unknown reasons!. . :(
Quote from: havuhung on February 19, 2014, 10:31:33 AM
Hi skribat,
It is a pity that when the device is always FE inventors concealed the true principles of its work, to come a time later it disappeared along with the inventor, but for unknown reasons!. . :(
hi .. In countries all around the world people are coming up with new ideas and modifications of old energy systems, ... Geet .. works, Myers plasma spark .. works, Genepax hydrogen splitter/ electric ..works, Hydrogen gas generators (on demand) works, Papp engine, plasma .. works, Rossi Plasma generator works .. and there are many others, hybrid systems already in operation. Eventually THEY .. won't be ably to stop it and that really frightens them.
Remember the Government reads your emails ..
I am just wondering is there anyone else other than myself who still prefers the CRT to the LED / plasma / LCD
I still use CRT for my computers also I find them more comfortable and natural, much easier on the eyes. sk
I have sent another message for news of Barbosa and Lea . Energia universal and will post it when I have it.
Hi, first excuse my English. I looked carefully this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)
and diagrams from the patent.
1. They say in patent: the ground not a direct contact with the device. Take a look of the pictures with ground. I do not think that thick cable could do looping inside over the secondary looping. It's the same cable where measures the amps.
2. It measures only a single cable (blue) with that clamp meter. why not the black wire? see pic. Only the first device have input wire with two colors the rest not? Why the power cable have two color and the guy watch carrefuly when connect the plug???
3. At the last device, they show as the input 10amps (2200Watts) without loading and the looping wire with 128amps...again without loading.
4. My conclusion is that it is a scam. See my diagram and make the experiment on your risk. Look the diagram
P.S. Now I hope not as I think and is really a good invention.
Quote from: skribat on February 21, 2014, 08:06:53 AM
I am just wondering is there anyone else other than myself who still prefers the CRT to the LED / plasma / LCD
I still use CRT for my computers also I find them more comfortable and natural, much easier on the eyes. sk
I have sent another message for news of Barbosa and Lea . Energia universal and will post it when I have it.
They never respond to my emails or FB message(s). ???
hi mx1000 .. I don't know them but I had emails from them in december .. I have two contacts in Brazil who can contact them by telephone, I email for news then must wait until I receive a reply, there is still the accusation of possessing the electric meters and they are defending this case in the court, at the moment I don't have any more news but I am waiting for a reply to my last email.
@ Skribat
THANK YOU for keeping us up to date with the Brazil news.
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a true sceptic is one who qeustions the questionner ..
I think they have been working on this for too long for there to be nothing .. and they had working units installed in locations, why would the police be sent to confiscate them if they didn't work? and why aren't the people who had them shouting fraud .. because they are not. I think they have something the claimed overunity (6.4) is within the range of other claimed devices of the same type, anything up to 10 times.
Remember Paul Pantone the Geet inventor who was sent to jail for three and a half years when the authority said he was working a scam? .. after other people began replicating the Geet device they had to release eighteen months into his sentence. .. .. and what about Cold fusion, now a reality after the original scientist inventors were ridiculed for forty years ..
Believe, just a little .. it is only natural that after working many years and at considerable cost inventors want to try to protect the investment they have put in .. eventually like the Geet and others the design principles may become open source.
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Quote from: skribat on February 23, 2014, 05:02:56 AM
a true sceptic is one who qeustions the questionner ..
I think they have been working on this for too long for there to be nothing .. and they had working units installed in locations, why would the police be sent to confiscate them if they didn't work? and why aren't the people who had them shouting fraud .. because they are not. I think they have something the claimed overunity (6.4) is within the range of other claimed devices of the same type, anything up to 10 times.
Remember Paul Pantone the Geet inventor who was sent to jail for three and a half years when the authority said he was working a scam? .. after other people began replicating the Geet device they had to release eighteen months into his sentence. .. .. and what about Cold fusion, now a reality after the original scientist inventors were ridiculed for forty years ..
Believe, just a little .. it is only natural that after working many years and at considerable cost inventors want to try to protect the investment they have put in .. eventually like the Geet and others the design principles may become open source.
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" a true sceptic is one who qeustions the questionner .. "
Nailed it !
I hope the boys from Brazil soon realize that their best move right now would be to open source their work, and derail the corrupt global elite's plans for human domination.
They would be heros around the world, and be well taken care of wherever they traveled on the planet.
Regards...
@ Cap-Z-Ro
Excellent point about how they should just Open Source everything.
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And what better way to respond to the repression they are experiencing FB.
If but a small fraction of people receiving 'freedom' energy from their technology were to donater a dollar to them, they would be rich beyond their wildest dreams...without havin g to lift another finger on production and marketing.
Sure hope they see this and see the wisdom in taking this action.
Regards...
Hi All,
Well, I always agree with the point about the OU community will join hands to buy Open Source Products, inventor FE devices actually have it for sale. With a large community development in many countries, not a force of any government can suppress this energy source. . .
Quote from: e2matrix on February 05, 2014, 02:24:33 PM
If it is all this simple as shown in their patent then why do they fill their units with red epoxy to hide their device from reverse engineering? I think they have left something out of the patent as many inventors do and that is the secret of their 'energy Captor'. I would suspect some fort of oscillator using high power MosFets.
if you listen to the video ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SvcrqODpDY4#t=40
it works like this .. after an initial power up from an external source a magnetic sensor begins to rotate creating what is known as over-unity power ..
This guy call Djeson from brasil did advance a lot in barbobasa leal replica this is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc&list=UUzmFHz5VoNAdTBcNHlYrZVg&feature=share enjoy.
Look this pictures!
Is this energy from ground or energy to ground without power meter? ???
"Look at the pictures"
Five wires to the device top picture! Three wires to the device bottom picture!
Correction by page expansion! Actually five wires present both picture!!
Quote from: DaS Energy on February 27, 2014, 07:41:57 AM
"Look at the pictures"
Five wires to the device top picture! Three wires to the device bottom picture!
Correction by page expansion! Actually five wires present both picture!!
I see that you do not understand what I'm saying!
Quote from: Shokac on February 27, 2014, 07:30:58 AM
Look this pictures!
Is this energy from ground or energy to ground without power meter? ???
I know that with clamp meters the direction the wire goes through the clamps determines which direction you're measuring the current.
And the difference between the pictures is that all the wires do not go through the clamps in the same direction.
So he is measuring one of the wires with the current going in the opposite direction.
I don't use clamps meters so I can't tell you from the picture which way the current is flowing.
How about you just tell us in detail what you are seeing? ;D
DonL
Quote from: kpannic on February 21, 2014, 06:27:55 PM
Hi, first excuse my English. I looked carefully this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)
and diagrams from the patent.
1. They say in patent: the ground not a direct contact with the device. Take a look of the pictures with ground. I do not think that thick cable could do looping inside over the secondary looping. It's the same cable where measures the amps.
2. It measures only a single cable (blue) with that clamp meter. why not the black wire? see pic. Only the first device have input wire with two colors the rest not? Why the power cable have two color and the guy watch carrefuly when connect the plug???
3. At the last device, they show as the input 10amps (2200Watts) without loading and the looping wire with 128amps...again without loading.
4. My conclusion is that it is a scam. See my diagram and make the experiment on your risk. Look the diagram
P.S. Now I hope not as I think and is really a good invention.
I agree with you...There is a big chance to be a SCAM
Since I watched theirs videos, I raised my hopes to have something simple and cheap to help us, but it looks like that is one more BS. I still need to do some more tests and I'm planning to do that until the end of next month using a good ground system as the say that we need to have. As far I know, there is a test scheduled to be done until the middle of next month in Campinas (UNICAMP) to attest or not this "new effect" that is not more than the grounding cable looped around the secondary coil as they show in patent.
Ari
Quote from: dllabarre on February 27, 2014, 02:07:35 PM
I know that with clamp meters the direction the wire goes through the clamps determines which direction you're measuring the current.
And the difference between the pictures is that all the wires do not go through the clamps in the same direction.
So he is measuring one of the wires with the current going in the opposite direction.
I don't use clamps meters so I can't tell you from the picture which way the current is flowing.
How about you just tell us in detail what you are seeing? ;D
DonL
OK
In the first picture we see 22Amps in the lamp and 0Amps in blue wire (neutral from grid or inverter)
In the second picture we see 21,5 Amps to or from ground and 21,8Amps in black wire (hot wire from grid or inverter)
Electric circuit is close from hot wire, lamp, and ground, not from hot wire, lamp, and neutral wire.
This is secret of free energy or is cheating Electric company and close circuit before power meter? ??? ?
Shokac
Preparing the test........
Ari
Quote from: ariovaldo on February 28, 2014, 11:25:58 AM
Preparing the test........
Ari
Preparing to take apart
"A friend contribution"
Ari
Is that red/brown stuff what's inside the whole box?
That's one way to hide your secrets. >:(
DonL
http://amasci.com/graphics/tes_radpat3.gif ;)
Quote from: dllabarre on February 28, 2014, 03:01:18 PM
Is that red/brown stuff what's inside the whole box?
That's one way to hide your secrets. >:(
DonL
They used epoxy and gravel to make it cheap..
Mr forest what do you mean whit the link you post?.
possible principle ::) just think widely
Mr forest do you think Barbosa leal invention is only a way to cheat the electrical meter or is a way to generate electricity from graund?
Input and output
Ari
Quote from: fer123 on February 28, 2014, 03:54:43 PM
Mr forest do you think Barbosa leal invention is only a way to cheat the electrical meter or is a way to generate electricity from graund?
Please! - Let's let ariovaldo finish his analysis of the device
before we start jumping to conclusions that it's a fake.
it's not fake :) IMHO
Mr ariovaldo do you have any test and information about this invention? I hope is very real, and i have friends from brasil maybe they can live a easier life, and i hope barboza and leal make it public because thé big corporation they never will let go foward . Thank.
My initial tests showed low input in the primary high current on the loop secondary
If igor moroz latest video can be merged on the loop to produce power
Then r
The earth wire should boost it .?
A simple test i made long time ago
Single wire by milovitz forget his name
Wra p a heating element on an open live wire without contact then use this heating wire to connect with fluoro tube the other end to a radio antenna
Another way is heating element on neon lamp plus neutral
Now with barbosa
Wrap a wire in the primary without contact and connect to the loop without contactplusus earth on end of loop
Increase in induction
NOW DO TRY THIS WITH SAFETY FIRST
Quote from: fer123 on March 01, 2014, 09:17:51 AM
Mr ariovaldo do you have any test and information about this invention? I hope is very real, and i have friends from brasil maybe they can live a easier life, and i hope barboza and leal make it public because thé big corporation they never will let go foward . Thank.
I got wait 3 or 4 more weeks before to release what I know about this equipment. This waiting time is because they have scheduled a thirty part test that will be conducted by Universidade de Campinas, Brazil and I would like to see the results.
I'm from Brazil and tested the equipment by myself and I know exactly what the equipment has inside.
The tests that I conducted didn't show good results, and I'm 95% sure this equipment is fake, but since I didn't have a good grounding system, that can be the failure cause once in their statements they say "the effects" just will appear in the ground cable looped around the secondary if the ground in good.
This is what I can say for now
@ ariovaldo
Thank you for your nice post. Please tell us more when you learn more.
Thank you
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Mr ariovaldo the good graund can be one pole of copper and other from magnesium. What do you think?
Quote from: fer123 on March 03, 2014, 12:33:17 PM
Mr ariovaldo the good graund can be one pole of copper and other from magnesium. What do you think?
They use just one grounding cable.
Take a look in the picture: The grounding cable is the green ticker one.
Cheers.
Ariovaldo
@ Ariovaldo (or anybody else that might know)
Below is some text from their Patent, converted to English. Some of the HIGHLIGHTED words like LOOP, CLOSED CIRCUIT,
are REALLY STRANGE. Is he saying that one of the Coils is a CONTINUOUS SHORT CIRCUIT? ??? Any comments?
Another advantage of the proposed electron-trap of the present invention is that the electron-trap can transport electrons from one
point "A" to a point "B", without a voltage drop in the link - if it is polarized - regardless of the distance between the points, depending
on the strength and quantity of the electromagnetic field-generating devices. It is also possible to transport the electrons when the link
devices generating the electromagnetic field are not polarized. In this way, the electric current is conveyed without voltage but only by the
magnetic field formed between the coils. This methodology can be used in various fields.
There is the appearance of an electric current, which keeps circling in a closed circuit, even without any voltage being applied to
the closed circuit, and even without a load being connected to it. The present electromagnetic equipment generates electricity or
thermal energy, providing access to this new source of energy through the use of an electromagnetic field.
The earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4
are connected together to form the loop, and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced).
The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the
electric power flowing in wire loop 4. The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.
Quote from: FatBird on March 03, 2014, 03:21:25 PM
@ Ariovaldo (or anybody else that might know)
Below is some text from their Patent, converted to English. Some of the HIGHLIGHTED words like LOOP, CLOSED CIRCUIT,
are REALLY STRANGE. Is he saying that one of the Coils is a CONTINUOUS SHORT CIRCUIT? ??? Any comments?
Another advantage of the proposed electron-trap of the present invention is that the electron-trap can transport electrons from one
point "A" to a point "B", without a voltage drop in the link - if it is polarized - regardless of the distance between the points, depending
on the strength and quantity of the electromagnetic field-generating devices. It is also possible to transport the electrons when the link
devices generating the electromagnetic field are not polarized. In this way, the electric current is conveyed without voltage but only by the
magnetic field formed between the coils. This methodology can be used in various fields.
There is the appearance of an electric current, which keeps circling in a closed circuit, even without any voltage being applied to
the closed circuit, and even without a load being connected to it. The present electromagnetic equipment generates electricity or
thermal energy, providing access to this new source of energy through the use of an electromagnetic field.
The earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4
are connected together to form the loop, and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced).
The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the
electric power flowing in wire loop 4. The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.
Yes, the secondary has the leads in short circuit. The secondary pass through the toroid just once, but has 4 tuns.
Get 10 feet of thicker and flexible cable, type those one used in welding machine and make 4 turns. Before to close it a short circuit, pass thought once the toroid coil with 600 to 1000 turns ( it depends the core type and size) with 0.6 henries of inductance ..
This is what I can say for now
So he used a toroid in the secondary loop ( high current with 4 turns) and 600 to 1000 T to produce load . Battery cables or welding cables used fine strand to take care of heat...
like igor moroz IT induction alternatives 8)
@ Totoalas,
Can you please make a little drawing or schematic and post it?
Thank you.
.
Quote from: totoalas on March 03, 2014, 04:59:20 PM
So he used a toroid in the secondary loop ( high current with 4 turns) and 600 to 1000 T to produce load . Battery cables or welding cables used fine strand to take care of heat...
like igor moroz IT induction alternatives 8)
The toroid is the primary...that is feed by the F and the N from the grid...
So you we have a primary with a high amps secondary.....
Best Regards
Ariovaldo
Quote from: FatBird on March 03, 2014, 05:31:47 PM
@ Totoalas,
Can you please make a little drawing or schematic and post it?
Thank you.
.
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689 (http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689)
Tol. Toto lahat ng device na free energy is gumagamit ng Two Ground/Earth. I can assure you that because my prototype here is running very well with burning light on the bulb. For the mean time I am already working to make a Kapanadze/Don Smith Coil design.
My prototype here if you disconnect the HV ground, the bulb wont even light very bright but will glow a
little that is the common happening on replication of Kapanadze and Don smith there is no real power
deliverd to the Load. If the Load Transformer Ground is disconnected you will see the bulb will not even glow a little. But if everything is properly connected to the Ground the bulb will glow very bright
and very hot .
Dont be fooled by those presented which shows only 1 Wire to ground. They actually split it inside the device like Tariel Kapanadze recently did to his devices. 8) 8)
I hope that my little contribution helps some of you.
What was hidden is already seen by our eyes. It is so simple that every one will laugh. ;D ;D
Quote from: totoalas on March 03, 2014, 06:23:33 PM
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689 (http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689)
There will not be approved I can assure you that because this device is running very well on the Concept of Nikola Tesla. The description on their patent does match on the picture they showed. Haahahaha. I think I will just laugh. The patent description of this Two Guys just look it with NIKOLA TESLA that is the real secret here. The description which they call Electron Captor which actually means CHARGE FUNNEL of Nikola Tesla. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;D ;D
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 01, 2014, 11:30:32 AM
I got wait 3 or 4 more weeks before to release what I know about this equipment. This waiting time is because they have scheduled a thirty part test that will be conducted by Universidade de Campinas, Brazil and I would like to see the results.
I'm from Brazil and tested the equipment by myself and I know exactly what the equipment has inside.
The tests that I conducted didn't show good results, and I'm 95% sure this equipment is fake, but since I didn't have a good grounding system, that can be the failure cause once in their statements they say "the effects" just will appear in the ground cable looped around the secondary if the ground in good.
This is what I can say for now
Quote from: stupify12 on March 03, 2014, 10:26:59 PM
Tol. Toto lahat ng device na free energy is gumagamit ng Two Ground/Earth. I can assure you that because my prototype here is running very well with burning light on the bulb. For the mean time I am already working to make a Kapanadze/Don Smith Coil design.
My prototype here if you disconnect the HV ground, the bulb wont even light very bright but will glow a
little that is the common happening on replication of Kapanadze and Don smith there is no real power
deliverd to the Load. If the Load Transformer Ground is disconnected you will see the bulb will not even glow a little. But if everything is properly connected to the Ground the bulb will glow very bright
and very hot .
Dont be fooled by those presented which shows only 1 Wire to ground. They actually split it inside the device like Tariel Kapanadze recently did to his devices. 8) 8)
I hope that my little contribution helps some of you.
What was hidden is already seen by our eyes. It is so simple that every one will laugh. ;D ;D
Ive been there also Bro
Exploding a 5 watt bulb just as Tito said means Im in the right direction
Work was distracted when I hit an Hv on the arm and cause me to dismantle it
Not in a hurry im doing well with my solar lighting small power all with low amps consumption lol
Guys this is not fiction don't laugh at these guys they have the PRINCIPLE but screwed up the design my company Blaze Power Corporation is in a legal battle with the DOJ Department Of Justice to the tune of EUR 500 Billion for lost revenue (Read the news section on our site and guys spread the word we are under heavy attack). We have been IT attacked and intimidated by EVERY badge in the book. We have a Mark 1 which works similar to what these guys are trying to do and a Mark 2 which is still in development our site has been taken down REPEATEDLY http://www.blaze-power.eu and today again it is down a talk with the host they say DDOS attack for 2 weeks? Yeah right I think they have a gun to their head. Now we have switched to a secondary "Backup" domain http://www.blaze-power.org check it out guys and keep an open mind PATENTS DO NOT WORK they will rig everything and try to make you look stupid. Anyone that wants more info or a demo of how this works email contact@blaze-power.eu and cc contact@blaze-power.org guys do you know what the energy market is worth? Do you know who pays for a lot of these presidents and politicians campaigns EXACTLY BIG ENERGY so we are their BIGGEST enemies this is not a joke guys Google Economic Hitman and see just to what lengths they will go to make sure free energy NEVER happens
Just to feed the imagination....
Best Regards
Ariovaldo
@ stupify12 or Ariovaldo,
Both of you seem to know a lot about the Captor. Looking at the patent diagram below, is this how they work?
1. The Captor outputs a LOW voltage and needs to charge a battery.
2. An invertor boosts the 12V battery DC voltage up to 230 Volts AC.
Does this sound right to you?
I am trying to figure out if the Captor can OUTPUT 230 V AC, ALL BY ITSELF, or just a LOW VOLTAGE and thus needs batteries.
Thanks.
.
Mr ariovaldo can you show more picture? I'm afraid you despaired from site and keep the information hidden. Thanks.
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 07:58:37 AM
Just to feed the imagination....
Best Regards
Ariovaldo
Arivaldo!
Good picture!
Can you open all secret?
Shokac
Quote from: Shokac on March 04, 2014, 08:50:41 AM
Arivaldo!
Good picture!
Can you open all secret?
Shokac
As I said, I'm 95% sure the device doesn't work, but there is one more test that needs to be done and I'm waiting to build a good grounding system to test the "grounding loop effect".
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
As I said, I'm 95% sure the device doesn't work, but there is one more test that needs to be done and I'm waiting to build a good grounding system to test the "grounding loop effect".
if you had that picture then no more questions on the validity.... well just wait to hear from you again thanks for sharing 8)
1. The Electron Charge Funnel(Electron Captor) was design to be step down transformer into a usable Voltage, but the resulting Voltage is still High Frequency on my set up. If they had much more enough imagination they wouldn't need any battery at all ;D they needed only some high value Capacitor Bank as replacement of the Battery.
2. They filter the output into FWBR to charge those battery. The purpose of DC output is to filter the HF AC that is very difficult to lower the
frequency. They had used the already made device for simplicity.
@ Ariovaldo. Why does your test fails because you don't understand clearly what is the purpose of the Earth Grounding.
Kapanadze Quote: " The secret is so simple that you'll laugh" LOL ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: FatBird on March 04, 2014, 08:24:32 AM
@ stupify12 or Ariovaldo,
Both of you seem to know a lot about the Captor. Looking at the patent diagram below, is this how they work?
1. The Captor outputs a LOW voltage and needs to charge a battery.
2. An invertor boosts the 12V battery DC voltage up to 230 Volts AC.
Does this sound right to you?
I am trying to figure out if the Captor can OUTPUT 230 V AC, ALL BY ITSELF, or just a LOW VOLTAGE and thus needs batteries.
Thanks.
.
Quote from: stupify12 on March 04, 2014, 01:08:26 PM
1. The Electron Charge Funnel(Electron Captor) was design to be step down transformer into a usable Voltage, but the resulting Voltage is still High Frequency on my set up. If they had much more enough imagination they wouldn't need any battery at all ;D they needed only some high value Capacitor Bank as replacement of the Battery.
2. They filter the output into FWBR to charge those battery. The purpose of DC output is to filter the HF AC that is very difficult to lower the
frequency. They had used the already made device for simplicity.
@ Ariovaldo. Why does your test fails because you don't understand clearly what is the purpose of the Earth Grounding.
Kapanadze Quote: " The secret is so simple that you'll laugh" LOL ;D ;D ;D
Ok, you are right, I don't understand...
Mr stupify12, What do you think about having a toroid whit 600 a 1000 turns in primary( 0.6h is most important) plus big wire for turns in secondary connected to?( other toroid, plus transformer for load all close loop whit big wire, plus earth wire connected to load transformer?.
There are Two Transformer. First Transformer Step UP the Low Voltage we input into HV. The HV potential then is feed to a Step Down Transformer, The Secondary output now is LOw Voltage. The Close Loop is Between the Secondary HV of the First Transformer and HV PRIMARY OF the SEcond Transformer Through Conduction of TWO Ground/Earth Points.
With the Two Ground/Earth Points the Oscillation we input on the First Transformer is being Tranmitted to the Second Transformer which at the same time the Electron they say is being suck up /Charge Pump/ Charge Funnel. The real reason why so many replicator failed to build a
This Transformer is the output seem to be no power delivered because all people think that this guys who posted circuit or diagram really tells them the exact and correct diagram.
For example the Picture which Barbosa and Leal showed on their Patent is not actually the working circuit compared to the Description I have given you on this Post.
We all know that there is a mass and very great energy stored on the Ground/Earth we only need to input a small amount of energy to disturb this Energy.
The Two Transformer is resemble like a AutoTransformer with STEP DOWN and STEP UP COmbination. More like what we have on our Electrical Distribution Line.
Quote from: fer123 on March 04, 2014, 02:06:21 PM
Mr stupify12, What do you think about having a toroid whit 600 a 1000 turns in primary( 0.6h is most important) plus big wire for turns in secondary connected to?( other toroid, plus transformer for load all close loop whit big wire, plus earth wire connected to load transformer?.
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
As I said, I'm 95% sure the device doesn't work, but there is one more test that needs to be done and I'm waiting to build a good grounding system to test the "grounding loop effect".
OK!
Can you bay for me and for you ticket for Foudbal game of Croatia and Brazil? :-)
Quote from: Shokac on March 04, 2014, 03:03:31 PM
OK!
Can you bay for me and for you ticket for Foudbal game of Croatia and Brazil? :-)
Sorry, but I'm living in Florida.
Ariovaldo
Picture would be better to understand... ::)
Thanks stupify12, can be a microwave transformer or need modification?,
from the picture
3 meters of black cable with a green cable looped around it same size 50 mm dia
the black cable is inserted into 2 big transformers ( like 2 MOT on top of each other )
the secondary 600 to 1000 T inserted in the black cable loop for secondary output
lv secondary output goes to bridge rectifier then to battery to inverter
Loop grounding scenario
1. per stupify 2 grounds/ earth
Electric company ground . water tap / earth wrapped on the HV loop
2. electric company ground to the primary looped
water tap to lv secondary looped
earth connected to the HV loop
which is which Stupify Ariovaldo? ??? 8)
@ Ariovaldo,
Since that is a junk Captor, can you take it apart more and post some photos?
Thanks.
Quote from: totoalas on March 04, 2014, 05:02:18 PM
from the picture
3 meters of black cable with a green cable looped around it same size 50 mm dia
the black cable is inserted into 2 big transformers ( like 2 MOT on top of each other )
the secondary 600 to 1000 T inserted in the black cable loop for secondary output
lv secondary output goes to bridge rectifier then to battery to inverter
Loop grounding scenario
1. per stupify 2 grounds/ earth
Electric company ground . water tap / earth wrapped on the HV loop
2. electric company ground to the primary looped
water tap to lv secondary looped
earth connected to the HV loop
which is which Stupify Ariovaldo? ??? 8)
No high voltage...Just the primary that is a toroid with 600 turns and the secondary with 3 meters. The secondary pass just once inside the toroid....The ground is not connected to the secondary high amps loop. They used as a toroid core a electric motor stator.....
Quote from: kpannic on February 21, 2014, 06:27:55 PM
Hi, first excuse my English. I looked carefully this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)
and diagrams from the patent.
1. They say in patent: the ground not a direct contact with the device. Take a look of the pictures with ground. I do not think that thick cable could do looping inside over the secondary looping. It's the same cable where measures the amps.
2. It measures only a single cable (blue) with that clamp meter. why not the black wire? see pic. Only the first device have input wire with two colors the rest not? Why the power cable have two color and the guy watch carrefuly when connect the plug???
3. At the last device, they show as the input 10amps (2200Watts) without loading and the looping wire with 128amps...again without loading.
4. My conclusion is that it is a scam. See my diagram and make the experiment on your risk. Look the diagram
P.S. Now I hope not as I think and is really a good invention.
What I found until now, is not more than this, but once again, as I said, a need a good grounding system to test it.
My partner from Brazil just finished the grounding net, with 40 rods with 3 meters each one in a square lot measuring 20 X 30 meters....
Capisce??
Ariovaldo
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 05:40:43 PM
No high voltage...Just the primary that is a toroid with 600 turns and the secondary with 3 meters. The secondary pass just once inside the toroid....
The ground is not connected to the secondary high amps loop.
They used as a toroid core a electric motor stator.....
The toroid core...
Quote from: stupify12 on March 04, 2014, 02:47:08 PM
There are Two Transformer. First Transformer Step UP the Low Voltage we input into HV. The HV potential then is feed to a Step Down Transformer, The Secondary output now is LOw Voltage. The Close Loop is Between the Secondary HV of the First Transformer and HV PRIMARY OF the SEcond Transformer Through Conduction of TWO Ground/Earth Points.
Two transformers? This reminds me on something like that
(Stepanov transformers) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zSMXMo2hs) in three-phase version:
thanks ariovaldo great contribution, can you make a small schematic for all of us? Brigado.
I posted what I have observe on the prototype device which I replicated from the works of Nikola Tesla. I was using 2 Ground/Earth for the device to deliver proper power output at the Step Down
Transformer.
You can drive it with simple flyback driver, mazilli driver, induction heater circuit, Tesla
Capacitor Discharge Circuit. Those drive is just actually the sustainer(kicking coil) for the oscillation to add up to
the Amplifying Coil.
Based on my observation on this device:
1. If ONE ground is disconnected the Load Bulb wont even light at its normal brightness.
2. If the TWO ground is proper connected to the device the Load Bulb will light very bright and very
hot to the touch. Can charge a battery so fast that you will get afraid the Battery will explode, the Battery readings from 12v will shoot easily to 26v.
3. I can assure that there is no harm to us who is getting near the device or handling the HV which
is the result of Secondary being induced by the Kicking Coil.
4.The main features of this device is that the Magnetic Field of the Primary is away from the Loading Transformer Opposing Magnetic Field. I think you guys called this Lenzless Transformer.
5. This is a device Nikola Tesla disclosed boldly and clearly, I just test and replicated based on his
instruction. It is commonly seen on the internet.
6.You can add as many coils as you want on the Loading Transformer. You can add as many as you want Loading Transformer. Looping is nothing but so simple that you'll laugh.
That is the reason I can tell you guys that a Free energy device really needs Ground/Earth which is also the Plan of Nikola Tesla to send Currents through Ground/Earth.
I can assure you everything has already been disclosed by Nikola Tesla, The Energy Device is just an addition of the Looping Circuit or Looping Charger to charge your Drive Source or Battery.
Quote from: totoalas on March 04, 2014, 05:02:18 PM
1. per stupify 2 grounds/ earth
Electric company ground . water tap / earth wrapped on the HV loop
2. electric company ground to the primary looped
water tap to lv secondary looped
earth connected to the HV loop
which is which Stupify Ariovaldo? ??? 8)
Quote from: stupify12 on March 04, 2014, 10:28:43 PM
I posted what I have observe on the prototype device which I replicated from the works of Nikola Tesla. I was using 2 Ground/Earth for the device to deliver proper power output at the Step Down
Transformer.
Are you going to provide us with replication information for your device?
Either way - Thank you for your work on this,
DonL
Quote from: stupify12 on March 04, 2014, 10:28:43 PM
I posted what I have observe on the prototype device which I replicated from the works of Nikola Tesla. I was using 2 Ground/Earth for the device to deliver proper power output at the Step Down Transformer.
MOT for high amperage ???
You can drive it with simple flyback driver, mazilli driver, induction heater circuit, Tesla
Capacitor Discharge Circuit. Those drive is just actually the sustainer(kicking coil) for the oscillation to add up to
the Amplifying Coil.
Jonnydavros 1.5 v dc flyback driver 5 to 82 mA
Based on my observation on this device:
1. If ONE ground is disconnected the Load Bulb wont even light at its normal brightness.
Checked confirmed
2. If the TWO ground is proper connected to the device the Load Bulb will light very bright and very
hot to the touch.
split or single?
Can charge a battery so fast that you will get afraid the Battery will explode, the Battery readings from 12v will shoot easily to 26v.
30 V dc like reactive charger
3. I can assure that there is no harm to us who is getting near the device or handling the HV which
is the result of Secondary being induced by the Kicking Coil.
With proper connection not alligator clips
4.The main features of this device is that the Magnetic Field of the Primary is away from the Loading Transformer Opposing Magnetic Field. I think you guys called this Lenzless Transformer.
Induction??
5. This is a device Nikola Tesla disclosed boldly and clearly, I just test and replicated based on his
instruction. It is commonly seen on the internet.
6.You can add as many coils as you want on the Loading Transformer. You can add as many as you want Loading Transformer. Looping is nothing but so simple that you'll laugh.
hahahahahah like this????
That is the reason I can tell you guys that a Free energy device really needs Ground/Earth which is also the Plan of Nikola Tesla to send Currents through Ground/Earth.
Water tap, Neutral, electrical compnay ground and earth copper rod
I can assure you everything has already been disclosed by Nikola Tesla, The Energy Device is just an addition of the Looping Circuit or Looping Charger to charge your Drive Source or Battery.
Confirmed
Thanks Bro thats more like it Pinoy way :)
Hi ariovaldo,
Thank images.
Epoxy composites mixed with pebbles are hard to break! . .
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 05:40:43 PM
No high voltage...Just the primary that is a toroid with 600 turns and the secondary with 3 meters. The secondary pass just once inside the toroid....
The ground is not connected to the secondary high amps loop.
They used as a toroid core a electric motor stator.....
Muito bom senior no more imagination obrigado 8)
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 05:40:43 PM
No high voltage...Just the primary that is a toroid with 600 turns and the secondary with 3 meters. The secondary pass just once inside the toroid....
The ground is not connected to the secondary high amps loop.
They used as a toroid core a electric motor stator.....
Thanks!
Where the load is connected?
My assumption is that it is connected to the loop and the ground!?
Why secundary is 3m long?
Shokac
What ariovaldo is showing is only a toroid whit 600 to 1000 turns in primary(0.6h) using a stator for it, plus 4 turns clockwise around the toroid exterior whit big wire passing only one turn inside (this is the secondary) closing tho loop, take from the connection one output, and the ground cable around one point the 4 turns the secondary, also connect to second output, if I am wrong correct me please. Thanks.
@ Stupify12
Thank you for your GREAT details post. Can you please post a Photo and a Diagram (or schematic).
Thank you.
.
In your opinion stupify12, what would it mean if in grid tests of Captors utilizing 3 phase power, one of the 3 phases is returning a large amount of power back to the grid while the other 2 phases are not returning power?
Hello mr ariovaldo, thanks for sharing, do you have any picture or schematic for all of us? Good work keep up.
NEW NEWS on this:
http://www.earth-heal.com/news/news/112-inventions/1472-brazil-free-energy-device.html (http://www.earth-heal.com/news/news/112-inventions/1472-brazil-free-energy-device.html)
.
OK going by one of the pictures on the webpage linked in the above post the ground wire is bared copper wrapped around a Bared copper section of the shorted thick conductor of a few turns which is wrapped around the transformer.
I will now have to try that. ;) As it is shown in the small schematic.
Cheers
the big starnd in the cable is for the high amps high temperature
same as in high amps srating batteries
check igor moroz alternatives 1 and 2 using toroids in the loop to release the load 8)
Please do it before the World War III comes. :D
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
As I said, I'm 95% sure the device doesn't work, but there is one more test that needs to be done and I'm waiting to build a good grounding system to test the "grounding loop effect".
Hi ariovaldo,
I'm still waiting for your test results on this device.
Quote from: totoalas on March 15, 2014, 11:22:16 PM
the big starnd in the cable is for the high amps high temperature
same as in high amps srating batteries
check igor moroz alternatives 1 and 2 using toroids in the loop to release the load 8)
several experimentors/ inventors have said it is better to use a solid copper than a multi-strand if you can get it. also most of these devices have two earth connections, water pipe and another ground wire .. ie the galvanised (zinc) water pipe, and the copper cable, these are two of the more efficient materials used in the ' earth battery ' .. I think this is a clue to the way it works.
So has no one tried this with bared conductors to make electrical contact between the high current loop and the ground wire ?
I guess not but I must ask why are people not trying this ?
I'll do the same as last time and create a LV 24 volt AC system which is a grounded neutral just like the grid is, by using a step down transformer to get the 24 volts, I will ground one LV leg to make it neutral then use the transformer to wrap the couple of loops of thick cable on to get a LV set up as it is shown in the diagram in the red square.
The last test I did I did not bare the wires. I used only my ground stake not the house ground system. This time I will try both, my experiment hut is a mess but I will video the setup to show the results anyway, as I think it is important to show just what it does do. I may need two days. I think there is a hand drawing back in this thread showing my last arrangement and how the LV grounded AC system is done.
I may also try using the grid 240v neutral and the grounded loop on my ground stake. I think I'll try that first, seems the most likely to show the biggest potential difference.
I think I might get their thinking. Some one needs to try it. :)
Cheers
1 wire charger an alternative to solar panel yt I used induction from a wall adaptor in switched off position and water tap ... my caps charged up to 338v dc in 9 hours..... that means the potential is there .... either put this volatge in a coil / cap and use the loop as in Barbosa
lots of possibilities ... Farmhand s test .... well see what happen.......
Working on It. Actually removed electrical tape and changed for tissue tape much better.
Working on It.
Quote from: fer123 on March 16, 2014, 01:01:14 PM
Working on It.
It looks good !
I had the tests done and the results were not so good. I hope I'm missing something, if not, the equipment is really FAKE.
Check the pictures !!!!
Hi ariovaldo,
Thank you.
The same thing happened with the energy-saving equipment and it is made from China!!!
Quote from: DaS Energy on February 16, 2014, 07:44:51 AM
Hello havuhung,
I find myself having that conclusion, which in some ways irks me as they built two companies around my knowledge, and the energy developments these companies have suffered a similar amount of query and mockery.
Amplification of energy is quite easy, put two wires into a tree and tap its amperage into a capacitor and you have enough power to run a house, however the duration is dependant on how long the amperage has been storing.
The inventors lay claim its straight wattage in and out yet their secrecy defies that. As for Patents there is no such thing as a world Patent, they are taken country by country, and many wont Patent unless your a citizen. The next problem is if you don't have the money to enforce your Patent its money pissed up the wall.
Dear Das Energy,
How to get power from a tree to charge a capacitor to run a house ? As said by you in this post quoted above.
Best,
Mr ariovaldo don't give up ;).
A signature campaign by Barbosa and Leil on avaaz.org reads the following :
CEMAR ENERGY COMPANY MARANHÃO IS IN FRANCE TO CHASE THE INVENTORS CAPTOR ELECTRON: NILSON BARBOSA Cleriston LOYAL AND ABOUT TO DETERMINE THE PRISON OF CAUSING THEM BIG Bully
A CEMAR COMPANHIA DE ENERGIA DO MARANHÃO ESTA EM FRANCA PERSEGUIÇÃO AOS INVENTORES DO CAPTOR DE ELÉTRONS:NILSON BARBOSA E CLÉRISTON LEAL A PONTO DE DETERMINAR A PRISÃO DOS MESMOS CAUSANDO GRANDE INTIM
Whats happening guys, anyone knows about this in details ??
Best,
Quote from: stupify12 on March 04, 2014, 01:08:26 PM
1. The Electron Charge Funnel(Electron Captor) was design to be step down transformer into a usable Voltage, but the resulting Voltage is still High Frequency on my set up. If they had much more enough imagination they wouldn't need any battery at all ;D they needed only some high value Capacitor Bank as replacement of the Battery.
2. They filter the output into FWBR to charge those battery. The purpose of DC output is to filter the HF AC that is very difficult to lower the
frequency. They had used the already made device for simplicity.
@ Ariovaldo. Why does your test fails because you don't understand clearly what is the purpose of the Earth Grounding.
Kapanadze Quote: " The secret is so simple that you'll laugh" LOL ;D ;D ;D
Dear stupify12,
We all shall be very much obliged to you if you can please tell us in simple words, how to replicate the Barbosa and Leil generator, maybe for 100 to 200 watt output only.
You seem to be quite knowlegeable about Tesla patents and its applications in building free energy devices.
Please make a simple schematic, where we can buy radio shack parts and make a small working prototype with proper earth grounding etc.
Please make a schematic in which we can use a capacitor bank instead of a battery.
Awaiting your kind response.
Best,
Hello ALL,
The truth is, I believe this device to be a "dead end". BUT there is something to be learned when playing with closed current loops as it pertains to S.M. Kicks and the TPU is what I will tell you.
I have had over 200 amps in my current loop. It will not go to ground. Resistance of any sort kills the effect. there is NO WAY to use the amperage, but ONLY the magnetic field associated with it. Or the heat. That IS the truth of the matter.
Once the current is in the loop, caused by Lenz's Law, it is not coming out. YOU must think of HOW to use the magnetic field of said current. That is all I can say.
Ground from the current loop is a WASTE of time. In my humble opinion after MUCH experimentation in two labs.
Play with closed current loops and think for yourselves. Tedious, but not hard.
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: lancaIV on December 19, 2013, 05:48:52 AM
Happy birthday -25 years jubilee- open source :
[0040] To clarify the operation of this embodiment according to the in-vention, the following dimensioning of the transformer windings is given using Figure 17 as an example, the iron cores being dimensioned in accordance with the manner usual for transformers:
- winding 81: 100 windings, 220 V/50 Hz, 5 A at full load;
- winding 82: 1 winding, 5000 A;
- winding 84: 1000 windings, 5000 A;
- winding 85: 1100 windings, 4500 A, 220 V/50 Hz.
[0041] From the above example it is evident that, with a coil 82 having 5000 ampere windings, a flux variation of 5000000 ampere windings can be generated with the superconducting coil 84. Accordingly, a generated power of 990 kW can be drawn from the terminals 89 for a power supplied to the connecting terminals 88 of 1.1 kW, and this corresponds to a power gain of approximately a factor of 1000
superconducting= super low resistance
Sincerely
OCWL
hi, do you have a video of this please / and can you prove these findings? thanks.
Dear Bruce,
Can you suggest a simple circuit schematic to make a current loop to generate high magnetic field. Actually most of us are sort of dumb and do not understand riddles. And there are already enough people who have been talking in riddles on the overunity forum since many years.
Entire humanity shall be grateful to you if you could free us from the shackles of energy elites ruling the world. Your name shall be written in golden words in the history of energy generation.
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 17, 2014, 10:28:57 AM
A signature campaign by Barbosa and Leil on avaaz.org reads the following :
CEMAR ENERGY COMPANY MARANHÃO IS IN FRANCE TO CHASE THE INVENTORS CAPTOR ELECTRON: NILSON BARBOSA Cleriston LOYAL AND ABOUT TO DETERMINE THE PRISON OF CAUSING THEM BIG Bully
A CEMAR COMPANHIA DE ENERGIA DO MARANHÃO ESTA EM FRANCA PERSEGUIÇÃO AOS INVENTORES DO CAPTOR DE ELÉTRONS:NILSON BARBOSA E CLÉRISTON LEAL A PONTO DE DETERMINAR A PRISÃO DOS MESMOS CAUSANDO GRANDE INTIM
Whats happening guys, anyone knows about this in details ??
Best,
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I have a little news which I am not happy to hear .. ... ... my contact says ..
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The news i have are not so good at all.
A man i know little has been in contact with with Barbosa by cellphone. After some talks this man reached the conclusion that the Barbosa´s device is just a way to fool the meters and not a really energy amplifier as seem to be the Kapanadze.
Anyhow we will invite him to be here at our city to the Free Software event at May. It he comes and if he bring with him a Captor we will have the opportunity to really exam this piece of equipment.
By the way, do you know any reposts about people trying to replicate the Kapanadze´s device ?
That report by Jean-Louis Naudin about Kapanadze was not so good at all as he reached only COP < 1.
Best
Thomas .... .... [ remember they ran the device from a battery also, fool the meters?]
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My personal feeling is that they do have something, if they just wanted to take the money and run they would have gone by now they are getting a lot of agro .. also I think the same of Kapanadze and the other devices, there is something. Maybe they are using the energy source as an earth battery or a capacitor and by using a pulse generator they are magnifying the natural frequency to pump it out or release it. Imagine the device as a water pump taking water from the ground, for example the heat pump like the ' Thermo-Syphon ' it is not over unity or perpetual but it is very useful, note it does not use a common energy source. I am thinking that people such as the Brazilians, Kapanadze and others are using the same principles lets say magnifying natural frequencies to cause flow in one direction for example, a/c current. translation of pendulum movement into rotational etc. the principle is always there use of an outside energy source to magnify a resonant frequency. one more example remember when you used to go swimming and make waves in the pool with your pals? .. a few people can move an enormous amount of water which splashed out of the pool and you were only a few kids (an outside energy source)
I think they have something which they don't fully understand yet, I also think there are people who will try to make them look ridiculous so that people won't believe what is happening and won't take it seriously. It was said when the motor car was invented that if you were to travel faster than 20mph you would not be able to breath and would die .. they said man would never be able to fly, and that if you walked too far you would fall off the edge of the earth. We are explorers, whatever we can dream has the potential to become possible one day .. remove the resistance.
Just an update, I'm almost ready to run my second experiment. Almost setup, unless I see something interesting I won't bother with any video.
I've decided this test will be to use the grid neutral (which is grounded by the house ground) and the High current loop (which will be grounded to my own personal ground stake) as the output, ignoring the existing LV windings on the transformer. I'm looking at it and visualizing the circuit in operation and all I see is a small difference in potential or Phase between the two grounded points. I do not see what else could happen, both output lines are connected to the ground. I fail to see how anything unconventional will happen. The neutral line from the grid is grounded and the high current loop is grounded if both grounds are good then the potential difference should be small, a few volts at most, likely less than 1 volt. But I'll try it anyway. It just doesn't make any sense.
I've got one loop of 8 mm cable for the loop around the transformer with a air loop for measuring the current in the loop.
The circuit will go from the grid to a safety switch then the energy meter then the variac then the transformers 240 volt winding. The neutral of the grid will be one output leg and the grounded high current loop will be the other output leg as shown in the drawing in my previous post, the drawing in the red box.
Cheers
P.S. when I look at the device opened up in the pictures does it show the thick cable wrapped around the outside of the toroid core and not through it ?
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Quote from: Farmhand on March 18, 2014, 05:38:34 AM
Just an update, I'm almost ready to run my second experiment. Almost setup, unless I see something interesting I won't bother with any video.
I've decided this test will be to use the grid neutral (which is grounded by the house ground) and the High current loop (which will be grounded to my own personal ground stake) as the output, ignoring the existing LV windings on the transformer. I'm looking at it and visualizing the circuit in operation and all I see is a small difference in potential or Phase between the two grounded points. I do not see what else could happen, both output lines are connected to the ground. I fail to see how anything unconventional will happen. The neutral line from the grid is grounded and the high current loop is grounded if both grounds are good then the potential difference should be small, a few volts at most, likely less than 1 volt. But I'll try it anyway. It just doesn't make any sense.
I've got one loop of 8 mm cable for the loop around the transformer with a air loop for measuring the current in the loop.
The circuit will go from the grid to a safety switch then the energy meter then the variac then the transformers 240 volt winding. The neutral of the grid will be one output leg and the grounded high current loop will be the other output leg as shown in the drawing in my previous post, the drawing in the red box.
Cheers
P.S. when I look at the device opened up in the pictures does it show the thick cable wrapped around the outside of the toroid core and not through it ?
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Hi at the moment we are experimenting so anything goes if it seems to be safe yes .. did you try reversing the ground connections. and did you try dissimilar materials/ metals for the earthing rods, maybe as with the earth battery it makes a difference, eg one copper and one zinc (galvanised) this is what Kapanadze used (a copper radiator buried in the ground and the galvanised steel water pipe. if you look at the best metals for the earth battery electrodes there is a list of best pairs/ combinations to use. maybe it won't make a difference unless somebody tries it we won't know. just another possibility, I assume also it requires and oscillator or as with Kapanadze again a spark device and a load, it seems to not produce current unless you are drawing it off in use. maybe you have already thought of all this.
Yes, well my ground stake is a 6.5 foot galvanized steel fence picket all the way in the ground but the house grounds are copper rods, the house wiring system has two ground stakes, one at the house by the fuse box and one at the work shed by the circuit breaker box there. My ground stake is in permanently moist ground about 10 meter from the closest house ground. My electric fence for the animals has two gal. steel pickets it is about 50 meters from my ground stake, I can pick up the electric fence impulse by scoping my ground stake connected to a coil.
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WOWEE, With only 100 volts to the 240 volt winding the input goes to 33 Watts and the single loop of 8mm cable has 188 amperes of current flowing in it and it gets quite warm. Usual idle power input for the transformer is a couple of Watts. In my opinion if I took it to 240 volts input it would hit the current limit of the 8mm copper cable, not sure what that would be, any idea's ? The input would be fairly high as well, maybe 80 to 100 Watts. Maybe I need thicker wire or two of them paralleled. Anyway I'll continue and see if the insulation melts or not. hehehehe
I think it's a fire hazard. :(
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Farmhand: I am finding it hard to visualize what you are experimenting with. Any chance of a schematic?
OK I think I might video tape this, with about 50 volts into the transformer 240 volt winding I'm getting a small voltage 1.7 to 1.8v which seems to have some impedance behind it because when I tried to short the grid neutral line to my ground the safety switch tripped open and cut the grid power, the active line was not touched, this means there was at least 30 mA of current that went between the grid neutral and my ground stake,either out of the house current loop or into it, which in turn caused a current mismatch on the house wires and this trips the safety switch. Which is not a good sign for the device if a safety switch is used, I cannot tell which way the current went though. My intuition says it went from house neutral to my ground, if it went the other way that would be interesting. Thinking...... Maybe an isolation transformer would stop the safety switch from tripping but also negate the effect.
AKing, It's exactly as Barbosa and Leal drawing on the previous page, the small schematic with the red paint square I put around it. I will post a schematic soon, hand drawn to make it quick, but it will be clear, and if I do make a video clip it will show the entire setup. please bear with me. :)
If anyone experiments with the grid power without proper caution the risk is death, please, everyone stay alive. I don't recommend it, but I am nobody's boss. reminders to be careful cannot happen too much in my opinion, sorry to ramble about safety. I know were risk takers but getting dropped by the grid is not fun.
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Dear farmhand,
Please be careful of what you are doing. You are actually playing with official gridline and earthing.
We need you on the forum, please take all the safety precautions. If barbosa and leil are clandestinely stealing grid power, not many people will be interested in buying their product, IMHO.
Best,
Google
It would seem from your comment that you have not been following Farmhands work on this, nor his opinion on the topic and their claims.
Chet
The comment is only as a well wisher. No undertones in it please.
Best,
Google
I infer no "undertone" whatsover,I just read the thread .
And as a result am quite aware of Farmhands opinions on this as well as the purpose of his experiment.
thx
Chet
No offence, safety first. ;D
This time I tripped the house safety switch as well as my portable one, If I didn't warn the other humans of the possibility I would be in trouble for interrupting their TV programming session. hehehe And it did it while not even driving the transformer, I had the active line disconnected.
I guess I need to look at a variac schematic to make an accurate drawing and analyse it, there was 1.7 volts potential between the house neutral and my ground stake it's enough to force over 30 Ma of current out of the neutral line into the ground by the looks of it, I think the house grounds are sus, they need checking by an electrician, I think my ground stake is much better. :)
Cheers
OK, now it's obvious why the safety switches tripped. See drawing below. If the variac was not there it might not have tripped the safety switch. If there is any current mismatch over 30 mA between the active and neutral lines the safety switch trips to save lives. This disallows any electrical connection to the grid and so an isolation transformer would need to be used, so that takes me back to my original experiment using an isolation transformer and my ground stake, except this time the ground wire will have an electrical connection to the high current loop.
The drawing below will not work with safety switches for obvious reasons.
Cheers
P.S. With 100 Volts applied to the transformer about 30 Watts is consumed and the single loop red cable has 188 amperes flowing in it. The ground wire is not connected to the loop in the photo.
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Hi Farmhand
thanks for the test results
I did not use the neutral on the output..... only a step down transformer 220 v to 24 v and the 24 v winding removed with 2 turns
the loop end connections I can touch with a clampmeter reading of 190 amps . this one I discovered while I accidentally touched the ends of the loop
the 60 w lamp is dim maybe due to the winding must have used the 220 v winding as output.....
the toroid used by Igor Moroz i think is more suitable to insert in the loop
the cable in the loop heats up very fast to 85 degrees Celsius with 220 v ac input
Beside earth connection we can use a flyback hv to inject on the loop ends and the toroid within the loop can pick up the induction for the load.....
I think the Neutral you used and the Induction in the loop are the ones to be used for loading and will not trip the upstream fuse
Another way to increase induction in the loop is wrap the earth wire or copper tube and reduce heat at the same time 8)
I'm not finished yet, looking at the drawing it has a + and a - so I think I'll rectify the output of a transformer (so it's isolated from the grid) and feed the "device transformer" with lumpy DC, that will give me a setup more like the Barbosa and Leal drawing. Meaning there will be a positive and a negative at the input to the transformer with the loop on it, and I will be able to try a load between the grounded loop and the negative side of the transformer input, as it is shown in their schematic. I'll see what happens with that.
Cheers
Check this.....
http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg
Cheers....
Ariovaldo
@ariovaldo Thank you for the video. Now you succeed replicating Barbosa device, please can you share a schematic or a simple how-to for the noobs like me ? For example, I don't understand what is the white ring, so I don't know how to build it.
Thanks ariovaldo. :)
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 18, 2014, 12:30:46 PM
Check this.....
http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg (http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg)
thanks for sharing
there was an increase of current with the load based on what youve seen in the Barbosa leal construction
8) Cheers....
Ariovaldo
Hi ariovaldo
Very Good Video.
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 18, 2014, 12:30:46 PM
Check this.....
http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg (http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg)
Cheers....
Ariovaldo
Hi Ariovaldo,
I understand that one turn out of the four goes through the primary coil's core but I ask how the 4 turn secondary is connected: is it in series with the primary or the 4 turns are shorted?
You say in the video that "one side of the phase goes to ... the other side of the secondary" and I ask: does "the phase" mean the Live wire from the 110V mains?
I understand also that the industrial ground wire is looped through i.e. coupled to one of the turns of the secondary coil and if your word "phase" means the Live wire from the mains, then the 100W lamp is connected between the industrial ground and the mains Live wire, right?
Thanks, Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on March 18, 2014, 03:00:18 PM
Hi Ariovaldo,
I understand that one turn out of the four goes through the primary coil's core but I ask how the 4 turn secondary is connected: is it in series with the primary or the 4 turns are shorted?
You say in the video that "one side of the phase goes to ... the other side of the secondary" and I ask: does "the phase" mean the Live wire from the 110V mains?
I understand also that the industrial ground wire is looped through i.e. coupled to one of the turns of the secondary coil and if your word "phase" means the Live wire from the mains, then the 100W lamp is connected between the industrial ground and the mains Live wire, right?
Thanks, Gyula
Hey Gyula!
Sorry about my drawings (parece um cú), but the captor connections are very simple. The primary has between 600 to 1000 turns, it depend the core diameter, and a secondary has 4 turns. The phase feed one side of the primary and is connected to the secondary before the secondary pass through the primary. The phase output is connect in the secondary after it pass through the primary.... ( in the other side of the primary) They use the N from the grid just to feed the primary coil. In another words: The load is connected using the grid and the grounding, made of a very thicker cable ( 35 to 50 mm) plus a lot of rods.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Caro Ariovaldo,
Obrigado pelos esclarecimentos, tudo é compreendido agora.
Saudações,
Gyula
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 18, 2014, 03:48:41 PM
Hey Gyula!
Sorry about my drawings (parece um cú), but the captor connections is very simple. The primary has between 600 to 1000 turns, it depend the core diameter, and a secondary has 4 turns. The phase feed one side of the primary and is connected to the secondary before the secondary pass through the primary. The phase output is connect in the secondary after it pass through the primary.... ( in the other side of the primary) They use the N from the grid just to feed the primary coil. In another words: The load is connected using the grid and the grounding, made of a very thicker cable ( 35 to 50 mm) plus a lot of rods.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
You can put lamp betwen phase and ground and lamp lights, but here no free energy.
And if you run you divice from inverter, your lamp not lights.
To everybody that is following this post.
Think about that:
The pictures that we can find in the internet show us that there are two meters, one circuit break and 2 voltage surge protection in the door. I found out the meters are connect like that:
1) Volts meter has 2 wires and is connected strait from the grid.
2) Amperes meter has 4 wires: 2 wires from the grid to feed it and 2 wires from the ct. The ct IS LOCATED IN THE SECONDARY....
Now the big question: Why somebody do that if is not just to trick and to fool the people? I read some people calculating the output, multiplying the volts from the primary by the amps from the secondary....Results: A BIG OUT OUTPUT....
Do you know guys, I'm not happy about that, but it is the true.[/font]
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Quote from: MenofFather on March 18, 2014, 04:28:50 PM
You can put lamp betwen phase and ground and lamp lights, but here no free energy.
And if you run you divice from inverter, your lamp not lights.
No free energy, just one more BS..
Farmhand: I believe that some parts of Australia still use SWER.
Also some remote parts of the USA still use SWER.
Finally works good to fool electric meters but no really free energy , not overunity, not captor de electrons from ground. >:(
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 18, 2014, 05:13:37 PM
No free energy, just one more BS..
Boils down to clandestine stealing of grid power by fooling the energy meter ?
Sigh of relief !! One more faker debunked without much wastage of time and energy of forum members. Thx to Ariovaldo and farmhand.
Best,
Hi All,
Thank you Ariovaldo.
Legends of energy extracted from the ground by two inventors had to end. Perhaps threaded discussion will be closed! :( :( :(
not so fast friends, show me first 6kW output without registered on meters
Quote from: forest on March 19, 2014, 03:34:02 AM
not so fast friends, show me first 6kW output without registered on meters
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yes me too .. whenever a crook steals your wallet he runs away .. I can't believe that after working on this for several years they would throw away their business and their lives just to make a quick buck .. which they haven't done incidentally .. they are still around and not making any money from this. .. the 'elites' want you to believe it won't work .. watch this ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbeseiPPCeM OU Energy .. The movement
1 wire charger as alternative to solar panel yt
the 470 uf 450 vdc cap was charged up to 4oo v dc using induction and ground only in 3 hours
8)
while others do the talk lets all do the walk as in Akula 30 w
Quote from: skribat on March 19, 2014, 03:50:36 AM
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yes me too .. whenever a crook steals your wallet he runs away .. I can't believe that after working on this for several years they would throw away their business and their lives just to make a quick buck .. which they haven't done incidentally .. they are still around and not making any money from this. .. the 'elites' want you to believe it won't work .. watch this ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbeseiPPCeM OU Energy .. The movement
No working circuit diagram from Wesley. Is youtube a science fiction theatre ?? >:( >:(
Dear totoalas,
I do appreciate your efforts. But in the absence of grid power, your system wont work. Arent you trying to lighten the weight of a deadbody by pulling its pubic hair out ? If you now excuse me for my analogy. Lol.
;D ;D ;D ;D
A good 'challange' to the inventors Barbosa and Leal would be the followings: suppose we create a totally ground independent AC mains source either by an appropiate power inverter run from a big battery bank or by using a few kW Diesel or similar ungrounded generator and ask the two guys to run their device from such AC source, then how their device would perform? 8) ;)
Quote from: gyulasun on March 19, 2014, 07:12:48 AM
A good 'challange' to the inventors Barbosa and Leal would be the followings: suppose we create a totally ground independent AC mains source either by an appropiate power inverter run from a big battery bank or by using a few kW Diesel or similar ungrounded generator and ask the two guys to run their device from such AC source, then how their device would perform? 8) ;)
the captor has been tested running from a battery, for 4 hrs I believe before it was switched off. there was still charge in the battery, the demonstration was public and included a representative of Sterling Alan.
Quote from: Google on March 19, 2014, 04:56:59 AM
No working circuit diagram from Wesley. Is youtube a science fiction theatre ?? >:( >:(
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hi google I think there is a schematic at the end of the part two video which you might find very interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9UKBEEKx4w
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Quote from: Google on March 19, 2014, 05:01:58 AM
Dear totoalas,
I do appreciate your efforts. But in the absence of grid power, your system wont work. Arent you trying to lighten the weight of a deadbody by pulling its pubic hair out ? If you now excuse me for my analogy. Lol.
;D ;D ;D ;D
thanks fir ur analogy
why wait for free energy if u can do it hybrid while still waiting for one
in a 3rd world country where 85 percent of their hard earned money goes to utility bills instead of food
this a step in right direction
like you said to share ur formula for making gold in the lab
would that be better and ur name will be remembered which was said by you
if ur living in a free country we can do what we want
so ill settke for more tests on the barbosa leal as others are
hope you can contribute with ur own thanks
I agree with you folks about things looking very SUSPICIOUS, and it sure looks like the Captor is just
FOOLING the meter by pulling Juice from the Wall HOT WIRE to the Earth Ground, thus fooling the meter.
HOWEVER, looking at the Spec Sheet, how could a Home Captor Unit draw 12,000 WATTS from
the WALL OUTLET without BLOWING a Fuse or house Circuit Breaker? See what I mean?
Does anybody know the FUSE or Circuit Breaker Size in an average Brazil home that uses 220 Volts?
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Quote from: totoalas on March 19, 2014, 09:28:10 AM
thanks fir ur analogy
why wait for free energy if u can do it hybrid while still waiting for one
in a 3rd world country where 85 percent of their hard earned money goes to utility bills instead of food
this a step in right direction
like you said to share ur formula for making gold in the lab
would that be better and ur name will be remembered which was said by you
if ur living in a free country we can do what we want
so ill settke for more tests on the barbosa leal as others are
hope you can contribute with ur own thanks
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whatever you believe you must watch this .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92yz5Y1img ***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92yz5Y1img ***
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Wind an ordinary heater element wire around the phase wire of the grid in your house, it should not touch the phase wire anywhere. Connect one end of the heater element coil with a cap and other end of the cap to earth. Other end of heater coil wire should be left as it it, not connected anywhere.
Have free electricity, unmetered, for as long as you want.
For better results use thick copper or silver strand.
If in your country you have neutral return wire system :
Make a deep dug earth connection, put a copper rod in it connected witha thick multistand cable as used in battery connections to inverters. Let this wire be deep buried in hole with rod. Do not remove cables insulation till atleast 4 meters deep. Fill the whole with concrete. Let it dry.
Now check the potential difference between phase wire and earth you created. If need be add an automatic voltage trafo in between, say 5kw, to power your house load.
Check energy meter reading before and one month after.
Best way to free energy for third world. ;D
Ps. Totoalas, you forgot I clearly mentioned that if Tito shares his free energy device I will tell my heavy metals to gold transmutation formula. No alchemistry, pure physical chemistry.
Best,
Have fun.
Still better way, make a tunable RLC circuit with natural resonance at 50 or 60 hz and suck free wireless power from the grid. ;D ;D ;D ;D Formulas available all over the internet. Put the recieving coil on you roof. ;D ;D ;D
Make multiple FM crystal radios tuned to your local FM station, use tuned dipole antenna with good earth and dump their out put to a cap and charge batteries with it. ;D ;D ;D ;D Free energy from thin air.
Wear shoes fitted with piezo speakers at the bottom, all connected to a super cap. In the night switch on small LED lamp headlights mounted in front of your shoes. Free energy. Shoes with headlights and red tail lights. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Not joking. ;D ;D
Anogher bright free energy idea : Order meter jamming remotes from China or bribe your friendly meter reading man to put a slow moving meter on your line.
Another clever hybrid overunity way of free energy. ;D ;D
nice tip Google
if you can also see why meters are installed 20 feet above ground power companies meter readers use vernacular lense to read meters on top of 20 ft poles to eliminate meter tampering
Using two bladed hook with stone as weight on a passing two wire elecrc utility cables wellla free lighting and tv at night
Slider just uploaded his 1 wire dc led lights @ 50 feet using battery so theres a chance
now back to Barbosa
lets do it
cheers 8)
Quote from: totoalas on March 19, 2014, 11:11:13 AM
nice tip Google
if you can also see why meters are installed 20 feet above ground power companies meter readers use vernacular lense to read meters on top of 20 ft poles to eliminate meter tampering
Using two bladed hook with stone as weight on a passing two wire elecrc utility cables wellla free lighting and tv at night
Slider just uploaded his 1 wire dc led lights @ 50 feet using battery so theres a chance
now back to Barbosa
lets do it
cheers 8)
http://blogs.dunyanews.tv/?p=6991
Link please ..
Thanks
Quote from: Google on March 19, 2014, 10:26:05 AM
Wind an ordinary heater element wire around the phase wire of the grid in your house, it should not touch the phase wire anywhere. Connect one end of the heater element coil with a cap and other end of the cap to earth. Other end of heater coil wire should be left as it it, not connected anywhere.
Have free electricity, unmetered, for as long as you want.
For better results use thick copper or silver strand.
If in your country you have neutral return wire system :
Make a deep dug earth connection, put a copper rod in it connected witha thick multistand cable as used in battery connections to inverters. Let this wire be deep buried in hole with rod. Do not remove cables insulation till atleast 4 meters deep. Fill the whole with concrete. Let it dry.
Now check the potential difference between phase wire and earth you created. If need be add an automatic voltage trafo in between, say 5kw, to power your house load.
Check energy meter reading before and one month after.
Best way to free energy for third world. ;D
Ps. Totoalas, you forgot I clearly mentioned that if Tito shares his free energy device I will tell my heavy metals to gold transmutation formula. No alchemistry, pure physical chemistry.
Best,
Have fun.
Hi Google,
If someone's done according to what you said above, he would be the power supply company accused of: (electricity theft)! ;D ;D ;D
PS: Free energy in this way is not okay!!!
Quote from: Google on March 19, 2014, 11:27:46 AM
Link please ..
Thanks
dc single wire transmission and dc single wire - 50 ft from solar yt slider 2732 8)
No its free energy by induction. Anyway power company has induction losses. I can sue power company to irradiate my house with unwanted radiations. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thx 4 d link tots,
Best,
Since some time I'm doing a reflection, but it is possible that these gentlemen have spent a lot of money
to have Brazilian European and international patent for something that they were not sure that the system
works maybe the captor is just a diversion to divert those like us but the secret is it another..
Leo48
Quote from: leo48 on March 19, 2014, 12:52:36 PM
Since some time I'm doing a reflection, but it is possible that these gentlemen have spent a lot of money
to have Brazilian European and international patent for something that they were not sure that the system
works maybe the captor is just a diversion to divert those like us but the secret is it another..
Leo48
I agree with you...Why somebody will spend a lot of money with a system that looks like a scam?
I tested the equipment and it did work in my place, probably because the grounding system was not so good, but the same equipment was tested in a good grounding system before and didn't run either.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Quote from: Google on March 19, 2014, 11:51:33 AM
No its free energy by induction. Anyway power company has induction losses. I can sue power company to irradiate my house with unwanted radiations. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Google,
If you do, then the power company may install a meter like this. ;D ;D ;D ;D
GL.
;D ;D ;D GL and Ariovaldo
Another way is the Bedini wheel sending back spikes and slowing down the meter ..... lol 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 19, 2014, 01:35:27 PM
I agree with you...Why somebody will spend a lot of money with a system that looks like a scam?
I tested the equipment and it did work in my place, probably because the grounding system was not so good, but the same equipment was tested in a good grounding system before and didn't run either.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Hi All,
Things on my mind and I have also found an answer is: There are some people they like and in any way that they tricked you, if successful with these actions, they are delighted and says, 'I've tricked it really stupid when guys listen to us!
Well, they always cheat people and are proud of what they've done! :(
Havuhung
http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/:
"They hooked the Captor to a 90 Amp-hour battery with a DC/AC inverter that drew 21 A at 12 Volts DC that, in turn, fed the Captor with 252 W at 230 V. They then hooked a 1,000 W lamp and a 600 W heater with a total load of 1,610 W. That comes to a ratio of nearly 6.4 times the power drawn from the inverter -- not as good as what they observed at a higher power level from the grid, but definitely an overunity effect of a very significant level."[/size]
Here http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/TESTE_BATERIA.pdf (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/TESTE_BATERIA.pdf)
Use in to 2000 W iverter [size=78%]11,72 VCC[/size]
55,4 A = 649 W (0,649 KW)
out 237 VCA x 815 A = 193.115 W (193 KW)
Energy amplification, more than 200 times.
If I good understand foreign language. :D ;D
Edit: But seems they meshure closed loop but not amps on load. :o seems they use tick iron pipe as resistance, so meashurements may be not wery correct.[/size]
Quote from: MenofFather on March 20, 2014, 09:20:25 AM
Here http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/TESTE_BATERIA.pdf (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/TESTE_BATERIA.pdf)
Use in to 2000 W iverter [size=78%]11,72 VCC[/size]
55,4 A = 649 W (0,649 KW)
out 237 VCA x 815 A = 193.115 W (193 KW)
Energy amplification, more than 200 times.
If I good understand foreign language. :D ;D
Edit: But seems they meshure closed loop but not amps on load. :o seems they use tick iron pipe as resistance, so meashurements may be not wery correct.[/size]
That isn't true. The amps they are getting is in the secondary. If take a look in the movie that I made, I got 80 amps in the secondary, so 80 X 110 volts will be 8.8 kw and that isn't true...
its like a welding machine as shown by Thomas kim video
my 6mm pvc sheath melt only after 5 minutes so maybe there is still a use for this in heating application
Don't give up, maybe something surprise us.
Hi for all
Don't give up with Barbosa replication .I'm trying too, but still nothing .
I new in this forum but not new in free energy research .I carefully checked all Mr Ariovaldo pictures and i found that transformer have 4 wire ends so it's not single wire with 600 turns and there is different size of wire check picture .
And here could be different winding
Check this links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BprAyIU6n7k
http://www.videomix.cz/video/-y8GifVM6WA/
May be here is the answer
Here is a NICE site from a WITNESS. You can even DOWNLOAD a ZIPPED file of 18 Hi RES photos.
http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/ (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/)
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Hi All,
Another question is: Why is the device from the company patents were sold to customers, it is fake and it does not work? ( Here we have a device Ariovaldo of which he spent much effort to decode secret to us ).
Is it a scam plans of this company? or an individual that is also the inventor ? >:(
The tricks used to conceal, witnesses peered into the device's performance they will have a lot of ways and they can hire individuals to speak flattering words for their fake products.
It's really hard to get the insight to avoid being fooled!!! >:(
Havuhung
Quote from: havuhung on March 21, 2014, 12:39:42 AM
Hi All,
Another question is: Why is the device from the company patents were sold to customers, it is fake and it does not work?
I think, they probarly getting energy from ground and phase and they bealeave, that here is free energy, so patented this divice. Because then they use energy from inverter, then get amplification not 100-200 times, but only about 6 times if also they good meshure, maybe and not one times. :D
Quote from: MenofFather on March 21, 2014, 12:55:32 AM
I think, they probarly getting energy from ground and phase and they bealeave, that here is free energy, so patented this divice. Because then they use energy from inverter, then get amplification not 100-200 times, but only about 6 times if also they good meshure, maybe and not one times. :D
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does it matter where the energy is coming from if it was lost energy which is being recovered? .. even if the output is only twice the input that can be a 50% saving .. if you could halve your heating bill would you be happy? .. yes me too.
where is the rest of device ? only captor was inside the box ? this is only passive device ;)
Quote from: reniukas on March 20, 2014, 04:46:10 PM
Hi for all
Don't give up with Barbosa replication .I'm trying too, but still nothing .
I new in this forum but not new in free energy research .I carefully checked all Mr Ariovaldo pictures and i found that transformer have 4 wire ends so it's not single wire with 600 turns and there is different size of wire check picture .
And here could be different winding
Check this links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BprAyIU6n7k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BprAyIU6n7k)
http://www.videomix.cz/video/-y8GifVM6WA/ (http://www.videomix.cz/video/-y8GifVM6WA/)
May be here is the answer
You are sharp.
Yes, the coil had more than one connection, but my assumption was that is not so easy to winding by hand 660 turns in a toroid, so this was done in parts. It was connect in series anyway. Different sizes of wire? Yes, 60 turns with a 20 AWG magnetic wire....
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Some more pictures
Cheers
Ariovaldo
One more picture..
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Quote from: forest on March 21, 2014, 05:13:46 AM
where is the rest of device ? only captor was inside the box ? this is only passive device ;)
Totally passive....
Hi ariovaldo,
Can you tell more about the schematic meter amperage was connected how?
Thank you.
Mr ariovaldo are you planning to replicate the toroid the same way you find it, what is the best ground system do you recommend for this system?
Hi fer123,
This device it is not working, replicate to do? :D
Hi Ariovaldo . What's the max power of the device that i have seen open ? But it worked corrrectly before opens it ?
Thank in advance .
Hi
i found some links .It could be help full
http://maybaummagnetics.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/68-71-27-2.pdf
http://avstop.com/ac/apgeneral/magneticamplifiers.html
http://www.chooseindia.com/engineering/Understanding-Transformers.htm
Regards
THIS IS INTERESTING .. replication of Kapanadze device .. 6th march 2014
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Russian_replications_of_Kapanadze_solid_state_circuit
Totally passive? Same as the Stepanov device (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zSMXMo2hs). Can anyone see more than two transformers and a capacitor connected to a disk saw via two power meters? I can't.
Taking a closer look at the carpenter transformers. The three-phase transformer (white) next to the three-phase capacitor (dusky pink) is not fully connected. It looks like a step-down transformer but the secondary low voltage high amps coils (thick white wires) are all open. Hence my guess is that the primary coils of that transformer are working as three-phase chokes in resonance with the three-phase capacitor next to it.
Then what's the second transformer for? Does this transformer perhaps provide high voltage? Just 2 to 5 KV, not real high voltage? So could it be important to have an electric field of a few KV 50Hz sine wave in resonance with the LC circuit formed by the chokes and the capacitors? Could it be that the cable 4 is the HV cable coming from the HV transformer and the cable 3 provides the primaries of that HV transformer with 380V?
What could happen if an electrostatic field of one transformer (HV) is mixed with an electromagnetic field of a second transformer (LV)? Could the calculation »electromagnetic field times electrostatic field« be responsible for the generation of those strange observed ground currents?
Regards
Quote from: fer123 on March 21, 2014, 08:05:29 AM
Mr ariovaldo are you planning to replicate the toroid the same way you find it, what is the best ground system do you recommend for this system?
Yes, I will do some more tests even knowing that in the original equipment didn't work with the original owner and didn't work with me. The original owner had a good grounding system but I didn't see how was the tests and connections. When I tried, my grounding was not good like they use to ask for.
The excuse that Barbosa gave to the original owner was the inductance in the primary was not right. The inductance was 0.21 Henries and was suppose to be between 0.6 and 0.8 Henries as I told before.
The grounding system that they asked for is 40 rods using 35 or 50 mm.
Area 30 X 50 meters.
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 07:15:36 AM
One more picture..
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Maybe they getting energy from cureent transformer, like Arkadiy Stepanov?
Thanks ariovaldo, I'll do something to replicate, I'am convince the system works (my opinion). ;D
Quote from: MenofFather on March 21, 2014, 09:28:08 AM
Maybe they getting energy from cureent transformer, like Arkadiy Stepanov?
The ct is installed in the secondary loop and is connected direct in ampere meter...
strange, very strange.....
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Quote from: fer123 on March 21, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
Thanks ariovaldo, I'll do something to replicate, I'am convince the system works (my opinion). ;D
Good...I still have some hopes. Thumbs up!!!
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Dear totoalas,
Free energy idea : forest is already probably using it. ;D ;D
Check this post of his
http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg345908/#msg345908
Best,
Quote from: andrea_bor on March 21, 2014, 08:22:42 AM
Hi Ariovaldo . What's the max power of the device that i have seen open ? But it worked corrrectly before opens it ?
Thank in advance .
No, didn't work.
The device are suppose to be suitable for 13 KW.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Thank you , Ariovaldo .
@all,
Just an observation by me. There are some videos on youtube, that give a lot of insight to developing simple free energy devices, but either or they are :
1. Removed
2. Account removed
3. Private
4. Infringe copyright so removed
5. Not available in your country
6. 404
Is this deliberate suppression by the uploader and or his competitors ??
Any thoughts on this please,
Best,
@ totoalas and all,
Technically this is not stealing from the grid.
The grid neutral and ground connected to the 12 volt leads of a 12 to 120 volt Radio Shack transformer lighting a 120 volt bulb off 70 millivolts between the grounds! The bulb is apparently pulsing the transformer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM
Any comments.
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 21, 2014, 12:02:18 PM
@ totoalas and all,
Technically this is not stealing from the grid.
The grid neutral and ground connected to the 12 volt leads of a 12 to 120 volt Radio Shack transformer lighting a 120 volt bulb off 70 millivolts between the grounds! The bulb is apparently pulsing the transformer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM)
Any comments.
Best,
It didn't open...
Quote from: Google on March 21, 2014, 11:27:24 AM
@all,
Just an observation by me. There are some videos on youtube, that give a lot of insight to developing simple free energy devices, but either or they are :
1. Removed
2. Account removed
3. Private
4. Infringe copyright so removed
5. Not available in your country
6. 404
Is this deliberate suppression by the uploader and or his competitors ??
Any thoughts on this please,
Best,
Dear Ariovaldo, please refer to my quoted post.
Actually this is posted by totoalas = imtotob = infini tum
You can request him to "desupress" the video and let everyone watch it.
All the best,
Quote from: Google on March 21, 2014, 12:02:18 PM
@ totoalas and all,
Technically this is not stealing from the grid.
The grid neutral and ground connected to the 12 volt leads of a 12 to 120 volt Radio Shack transformer lighting a 120 volt bulb off 70 millivolts between the grounds! The bulb is apparently pulsing the transformer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM)
Any comments.
Best,
Hi All,
I think this one: In the process of power transmission always leaks and energy loss are an accepted ratio between electricity suppliers. You somehow use energy which had been removed the power supply, this can not be attributed to you is theft on the grid!
Google
If I could remember what it was in 2012 ? :-\ I had so many accidental working circuits which stopped working next day :P It was probably a mistake somewhere in the circuit.
I wonder if this captor device had anything except resin sealed captor ? Any strange motor or other switching device ? ::)
Quote from: forest on March 21, 2014, 01:52:42 PM
Google
If I could remember what it was in 2012 ? :-\ I had so many accidental working circuits which stopped working next day :P It was probably a mistake somewhere in the circuit.
I wonder if this captor device had anything except resin sealed captor ? Any strange motor or other switching device ? ::)
Lol, did you make something based on controlled snowball effect and one kick multiplying to many bigger kicks ??
;)
Best,
Hi Google,
Video clips you can upload to a shared server to another?
Regards
Havuhung
;D
Good night !!
@ ariovaldo, Is the below picture that you posted a Burned Out Commercial Captor or a HOME MADE unit?
Thanks.
.
Quote from: FatBird on March 21, 2014, 04:55:27 PM
@ ariovaldo, Is the below picture that you posted a Burned Out Commercial Captor or a HOME MADE unit?
Thanks.
.
It is a brand new unit that was taken apart...
Please, check your PM.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 05:15:25 PM
It is a brand new unit that was taken apart...
Please, check your PM.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Did you actually managed to replicate one unit you'reself ?
ariovaldo, how this unit got burnt ;D
Best,
The video is open now Google
In the middle of my tests on Carlos schematic some guys from .brAZIL EXTEND THEIR HELP
BUT IT'S ONLY ME who stopped the test to concentrate on my solar assemblies to support my experiments
Start using mots and pick up the pcs from stupifyi and arriovaldo the output can be had by vigor moron torrid technique
Guy luck
Totoalas 8)
Hello toto,
Thanks and congratulations for open sourcing your work to forum.
I would request to open all your videos on the imtotob channel so that we people can come up with improvements over it and since its open source, no one can expolit it to patent the idea.
As it would be an already existing artwork in public domain of internet.
Thanks again for your spirit of openness.
Best,
@ Ariovaldo
Can you please post more photos from the SIDES and the BOTTOM?
Thank you
=====================================================
It is a brand new unit that was taken apart...
Cheers
Ariovaldo
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@ ariovaldo
1. Approximately, how much does that captor weigh?
2. Which is the Ground Wire, the Green, Blue, or Black wire?
It looks like they wound the wire on a circular torroid core.
Thanks,
.
My Guess is
Blue - neutral, Red - Active, Black - HC loop, Green - earth connection.
I hope ariovaldo can confirm that.
Thank you Farmhand for the color code deciphering.
@ Ariovaldo
I'm sorry but you can check whether the core of the toroidal transformer is earthed, if so then it could act as a capacitor between the 'primary winding for some fluctuations with the earth ... maybe ..
Leo48
Quote from: leo48 on March 28, 2014, 04:24:14 PM
@ Ariovaldo
I'm sorry but you can check whether the core of the toroidal transformer is earthed, if so then it could act as a capacitor between the 'primary winding for some fluctuations with the earth ... maybe ..
Leo48
It is not grounded....
Ariovaldo
this is INTERESTING READING ..
http://prezi.com/5u4p81mxrstx/no-lenz-but-resonance/
@Ariovaldo
Excuse me . One question . In picture 17 the ct is connected to an instrument (amperometer , etc ) or something else (coil , etc ) ?
Thanks in advance
I like to replicate this. I wonder if it is possible use the common 220-110 stepdown transformer? ???
Quote from: andrea_bor on March 29, 2014, 03:35:00 PM
@Ariovaldo
Excuse me . One question . In picture 17 the ct is connected to an instrument (amperometer , etc ) or something else (coil , etc ) ?
Thanks in advance
Ct is connect direct to the ampere meter.
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 30, 2014, 08:44:45 PM
Ct is connect direct to the ampere meter.
Did you actually managed to rebuilt one ?
With new parts ofcourse.
The red chemical is plastic, right? I think the equipment will not work in the air. Could you please analyze it?
Quote from: mx1000 on March 31, 2014, 05:36:32 PM
Did you actually managed to rebuilt one ?
With new parts ofcourse.
Yes. Didn't work..
As you think I can not figure out how to work the captor of electrons, as far
as I know the magnetic field does not attract electrons but also makes them
deviate if they are on the move .... so I do not understand how it can work ... :o
Leo48
@totoalas
Did u use copper wire as thick as the thumb? I think if we follow exactly what is in the patent we can replicate it. Maybe fine wires cant draw electrons from the earth.
Quote from: truongcongduc4 on April 01, 2014, 11:26:48 AM
The red chemical is plastic, right? I think the equipment will not work in the air. Could you please analyze it?
@truongcongduc4,
Epoxy resin filled into the device, only with the intention of making it difficult for those who want to find out which device structure how! or hide the details in it! ;D
Quote from: Neo-X on April 01, 2014, 10:38:42 PM
@totoalas
Did u use copper wire as thick as the thumb? I think if we follow exactly what is in the patent we can replicate it. Maybe fine wires cant draw electrons from the earth.
I use 6mm fine stranded for mot i will use mm50mm dia battery cable same qs urge thumb for high current
I think it's not the fine wires but the induction on the core plus earth will boost the output
In my e core with ring magnet in the center i use the hv from ignition coil to connect to the e core with and an extra coil in the primary to boost the mac from ignition137 to boost
Mac from 137 to boost340 v a.c.
From erfinder he says
Recover the recovered energy back to primary to double kick which i did with ignition coi
A gap surely help a spark gap using hv arc instead of relay
Now try that simple test
Capture the v from the loop and an1 wire from the earth and let us know urge result 8)
Hello gentlemen (and ladies)
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2) Demonstrate your technology in schematics and video
3) Answer the skeptics and provide solid evidence of your technology
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Quote from: blaze_power on April 19, 2014, 11:46:29 AM
Hello gentlemen (and ladies)
Just to let you know that we have made extensive progress at Blaze Power and we have also landed a new contract for EUR 25 million to construct a 100MW power plant using FREE Energy technology which "they" said was impossible but we actually building several plants in Africa both large and small and you are FREE to VERIFY any and all of the facts which I aver here. I want to congratulate you all on the remarkable work you are doing and trying to do however I stress that we have perfected the coil design (Mark 2) and the original energy loop cycle design (Mark 1). We also stress that it is not the laws of physics that are the problem but the blasphemous interpretation of the laws of physics for "personal" and "corporate" gain and greed there are MANY variables that are DELIBERATELY omitted to lull us into the belief that free energy is impossible. As you can see on the contract we are helping get FREE energy where it is needed most i.e Africa. ALSO we have good news Blaze Power is scheduled for an IPO thus for all those that complained about the steep Billion EURO license prices to invest in this technology we want to let you know that you can now buy shares in the Blaze Power Corporation for as little as EUR 1,000.00 and for all those that are clever I need not remind you that like Google and Microsoft all the Million dollar shareholders of today (Warren Buffet included) at the current rate now bought their shares for a couple of thousand dollars before or at the IPO thus gentlemen YOU ALL understand the value of FREE energy thus DO NOT waste time. We are working with an offshore bank that understands "Our common enemy" i.e Big Energy and the "Big" governments that promote their interests thus to invest in this future technology and receive a FREE energy generator in the process with an OPEN LICENSE because we believe that Energy is FREE otherwise we would not be on this forum now would we? To invest not only in your future but the future of your kids and future generations as well as the planet visit http://www.e-bank.si they will even accept BitCoins for your added peace of mind and anonymity and YOUR PRIVACY is their main concern. And for all those that have just joined the thread you can read about the FREE energy breakthrough at http://www.blaze.technology or you can visit the public awareness website at http://www.blaze-power.org where you will also find further information on the pre-launch share buy we wish you all the best of luck and a bright future. Again accept my apologies for the long post but as usual I always have much to say
Best regards
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Quote from: blaze_power on April 19, 2014, 11:46:29 AM
Hello gentlemen (and ladies)
Just to let you know that we have made extensive progress at Blaze Power and we have also landed a new contract for EUR 25 million to construct a 100MW power plant using FREE Energy technology which "they" said was impossible but we actually building several plants in Africa both large and small and you are FREE to VERIFY any and all of the facts which I aver here. I want to congratulate you all on the remarkable work you are doing and trying to do however I stress that we have perfected the coil design (Mark 2) and the original energy loop cycle design (Mark 1). We also stress that it is not the laws of physics that are the problem but the blasphemous interpretation of the laws of physics for "personal" and "corporate" gain and greed there are MANY variables that are DELIBERATELY omitted to lull us into the belief that free energy is impossible. As you can see on the contract we are helping get FREE energy where it is needed most i.e Africa. ALSO we have good news Blaze Power is scheduled for an IPO thus for all those that complained about the steep Billion EURO license prices to invest in this technology we want to let you know that you can now buy shares in the Blaze Power Corporation for as little as EUR 1,000.00 and for all those that are clever I need not remind you that like Google and Microsoft all the Million dollar shareholders of today (Warren Buffet included) at the current rate now bought their shares for a couple of thousand dollars before or at the IPO thus gentlemen YOU ALL understand the value of FREE energy thus DO NOT waste time. We are working with an offshore bank that understands "Our common enemy" i.e Big Energy and the "Big" governments that promote their interests thus to invest in this future technology and receive a FREE energy generator in the process with an OPEN LICENSE because we believe that Energy is FREE otherwise we would not be on this forum now would we? To invest not only in your future but the future of your kids and future generations as well as the planet visit http://www.e-bank.si (http://www.e-bank.si) they will even accept BitCoins for your added peace of mind and anonymity and YOUR PRIVACY is their main concern. And for all those that have just joined the thread you can read about the FREE energy breakthrough at http://www.blaze.technology (http://www.blaze.technology) or you can visit the public awareness website at http://www.blaze-power.org (http://www.blaze-power.org) where you will also find further information on the pre-launch share buy we wish you all the best of luck and a bright future. Again accept my apologies for the long post but as usual I always have much to say
Best regards
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http://www.blaze-power.org (http://www.blaze-power.org)
If is you technolagy and you don't want be egoistic, then you must share you knowlege. ;)
This site is for share information, can you share your coil design, like you toll before is for better result share it, this what the site is all about, thanks anyway, hope if you are really whit this invention you will help all of us, this is another proof the barbosa leal generation works. Good luck everybody.
Hello blaze_power,
I think, not ambition a few kilowatts free device just a few hundred watts really working for poor people really needed practical energy in their lives! You can do this???
Regards
Firstly I will respond to the negative comments about Spam. My dear friend I am not here for YOUR AMUSEMENT but for the good of ALL MANKIND thus I am not interested in your opinion and methodology of what you "assume" should be the right manner to conduct myself in the forum. The purpose of a forum is for like minds to deliberate and find common ground. This is an active forum pursuing something that we have ALREADY perfected and thus the right stage for my comments. Further unlike you I don't tinker in a shed worrying about conspiracies and gaining a volt or two. Searching for FREE energy has ACTUALLY cost me over $2million USD and at times my freedom to move the proof is on the website http://www.blaze-power.org do something for once besides slander and displaying your ignorance. As for the other posts that I should share my knowledge I have done just that and including MY OWN WALLET hence the IPO at http://www.e-bank.si another rebel revolutionary ant-monopoly banking power house and every subscriber gets an ACTUAL Free 5.5KW FREE Energy generator NOT PLANS! Who in the FREE energy community has invested as much as I have MY OWN MONEY at that and NO GRANTS from ANYONE! Not to mention what these CIA morons stole from me over $2million USD all documented see the website! I am not your regular paranoid I am a man of sound integrity with MY OWN means I am not begging ANYONE for ANYTHING I seek ONLY for the COMMON good. I also posted this below elsewhere it should help answer most of your questions otherwise refer to the site
Listen you CIA and NSA MISFITS that trawl these forums & stole $2million USD from me in broad daylight! All the proof is on the website my name is Kevin Blaze unlike you I DON'T HIDE at Langley behind a bunch of computers using MITM (Man In The Middle Hacks) I am out in the open and the process on my site is simple you are FREE to call the African governments in question INCLUDING their intelligence and presidential envoys that witnessed history you guys know that FREE energy exists and that is what you experiment with at Area 51 NOT ALIENS (That is just your propaganda cover) and that is why you get paid to come to these forums and post negative comments. From your spying you know the weaknesses of those you attack and that is what you use to fight your propaganda wars like the EUR 25 million contract we have now with the African Country in quo ONLY the CIA would know that it is in the implementation phase from you bugging my internet connection and phones with your cronie 3rd world government buddies that you entice with your dirty dollars because IT IS NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE on any of our sites as to the status of construction and funny enough you would query it here (You are getting sloppy). We know the tactic forum people Google "Economic Hitman" and you will understand how these criminal CIA agents work. They have moles in EVERY ENERGY strategic government office in EVERY nation around the globe but Mr Langley we have a work around the presidents of these nations CANNOT be bought and your little buddy in the ministry of energy will be fired shortly (Yes I know he is one of yours) well I taught you how to secure your Langley computers after Edward Snowden and you can see all AC/DC tricks coming to light now where do you think the inspiration is coming from? And coincidentally AFTER my successful demo! You stole $2million from me and I am not afraid of you. I have openly declared a righteous legal war against you thus UNTIL someone PROVES ME WRONG that our devices don't work I suggest you shut your mouth because ANYONE with ANY sense knows that accusation WITHOUT basis is SLANDER & IGNORANCE this is the basis of ANY democracy which invokes itself as "Innocent UNTIL proven guilty" I have demonstrated PROOF to the world WHAT RIGHT OR EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE to DARE discredit me with your empty FACTLESS & BASELESS talk? COME HERE for a FREE demonstration WITH ALL YOUR TEST GEAR and if this DOES NOT WORK THEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT to talk. Until then you are just a disrespectful individual that just enjoys insulting other people to build your OWN ego. Just as I challenged the DOJ in GODD LAW and exposed them for the legal INCOMPETENTS that they are I also CHALLENGE YOU to COME HERE and prove that my machine DOES NOT WORK. I WILL PERSONALLY NOT CHARGE YOU ESCROW just come here to my island together with a VERIFIED MODERATOR from this forum and let us SHUT EVERYONE UP once and for all INCLUDING those thieves at the DOJ Department Of Justice as well as the CIA & NSA. For ALL true Christian believers 666 form revelations has a uncanny coincidence with USD in terms of the letters UNITED (6) STATES (6) DOLLARS (6) mark of the beast THAT CORRESPONDS TO HIS NAME i.e UNITED STATES (The world's LARGEST consumer of OIL). Keep an open mind people I have NOTHING against America I ONLY advocate TRUTH and why did they steal from me then if they are so righteous? Liberty Reserve was NEVER the target if it was then a claims process would be open by now and Liberty Reserve closes AFTER the $2million goes through my LR account coincidence? I don't think so 10 years Katz living in Brooklyn nothing done to him until then ha ha ha. Blaze Power WAS the target and we have proven it. Now Mr CIA web dis-informer go tell the director at Langley that KB is still a problem for the agency and let me die of an aneurism or have an unfortunate accident since I drive my cars like a lunatic then let it be testament to the world like the Hydrogen free power car engineer you murdered. You criminals are the ones that need to be locked up deceiving the world for your own profit, polluting the sea you murdered COUNTLESS people in Nagasaki ONE Bomb was enough to end the war if it really was about Pearl harbour why did they drop 2. As the bible states YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR WORKS, do grapes grow on thorn trees? I rest my case let the jury deliberate! ;)
NB*: Why is it ALL FREE Energy inventors in the media are scammers? Is it because scammers like to use FREE energy as a conduit to scams or is it because there is a hidden vendetta against anyone that DARES uncover this TABOO of free energy. Food for thought people.........Blaze Power TRUE POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
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We need to see documented proof of operation, not more socio-political lectures. Where is your proof???
NickZ I have NOTHING TO PROVE to YOU or ANYONE trust me look at my sites ask all those that know me including the CIA misfits that spy on me on my island question to you is would they do that and steal $2million USD from me and shut down Liberty Reserve THE WHOLE COMPANY if I do not have what I say I have? I am not one to be suckered by that what proof have you got reverse psychology BS trust me I am way above your pay grade literally and mentally (No offense just the facts). I am only here to help those that REALLY want to be helped not ho hum skeptics that want to discredit for profit. And DON'T tell me political BS because ALL I have stated is TRUTH & FACT thus UNLESS you have FACTS to contradict my statements DO NOT decide for the community what is political BS and what is NOT just stick to your point because ANYTHING on the contrary is a PERSONAL ATTACK which last time I checked is AGAINST FORUM RULES, but that's not the point. You see posting proof here ONLY allows people like you to use it as a PROPAGANDA PLATFORM to make people like myself look stupid to the community with your second hand knowledge of what you dub the "Laws of physics". First problem is that THESE so called "Laws" are not ACTUALLY LAWS because these are "consensus" agreed observations of certain individuals in history that lived at a time when technology and advanced electronics did not exist and their OBSERVATIONS are not WITHOUT VARIABLE. Today you have mistakenly interpreted these observations as DE FACTO doctrine or "Laws" as you most eloquently put it and this is the reason why you continue to stumble YOU NEED TO WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN and be original NOT A Doctrine follower remember you can only pour 2 liters into a 2 liter bottle NOTHING MORE so if you start your research within the boundaries of the so called "laws of physics" how then will you create what those so called laws deem to be impossible? You are defeated BEFORE you even start. Jesus yet wisdom is vindicated by her own effect. Amen to that! I DO NOT give ELECTRONIC proof but PHYSICAL proof I have offered a VERIFIED forum moderator a FREE demonstration on my island ANYTIME that's my proof when you are ready prove who you are and come for a FREE demo ZERO COST FREE comprende? Oh and I am also giving away FREE 5.5KW FREE energy generators just to spite the CIA if you think I am out for profit I am SELF funded and that is TRUE POWER TO THE PEOPLE! http://www.blaze-power.org Click on "Get Involved" and scroll to Option 3 to get your very own PHYSICAL Generator NOT PLANS and that is more than proof though I have nothing to PROVE to you or ANYONE because I DID NOT come here to PROVE but to help people and it is common cause that help is only given to those that need it and from what I can see from your comments that excludes you! Good Day NickZ & don't poke let the jury decide what are you afraid of?
We ask for proof of operation of your device, and get back more political BS.
This is an OPEN SOURCE FORUM, NOT for advertisement of your product. Which so far, sound like SPAM to us.
So, don't tell me what I can say, or can't say. I will do as I please, you are free to do as you like.
If you are not going to post any proof, you are likely to get nowhere, with us here.
Self-funded? FREE generator give-away? Yeah.... right. Here's what the website says:
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OPTION 3 (Share Buy in from only EUR 1,000.00)
For a LIMITED time only we are selling shares in the company offshore through a bank that we believe has the muscle and attitude to deal with our many detractors and protect your investments. The bank is run by fully competent lawyers and the most upright and trustworthy and above all credible individuals of the most impeccable integrity. Visit http://www.e-bank.si (http://www.e-bank.si) and click on "Invest in FREE energy today" then follow instructions onscreen. BitCoin as the Blaze Power certified new global money is also accepted for it puts the power in the right hands that of the individual. You will also receive a FREE Energy generator rated at 5.5KW for your home with every share buy worth EUR 1,000.00 (Or currency equivalent) or more. This means your home will be grid power free meaning you will have FREE electricity in your home. This is testament to the fact that we are for the people and for saving the planet not for profit as you will see we have many contracts now in Africa worth billions and counting and we are even financing cash strapped governments at 0% interest and low deposits to pay true to our ethos. Find more information on the bank website http://www.e-bank.si (http://www.e-bank.si)
Take cognisance of the fact that with Blaze Power Plants the returns on investment are immediate because once the Power Unit is started and "Full Optimum Operational Threshold" (the "FOOT") is achieved which takes under 20 minutes or less depending on the size of the installation. The machine continues generating electricity WITHOUT need for fuel neither a drive system, sun, water, steam, coal or uranium nor production of ANY waste in the process whatsoever. This device runs itself and will continue to do so for 200 years+ thus the ONLY overhead is the initial principal and then you have FREE energy running forever and thus return after return everyday for 200 years. This then effectively means that Blaze Power Plants have absolutely ZERO running costs up until the Power enters the national grid which then after becomes the responsibility of the owner of the grid with ZERO cost to the Energy Producer utilising the Blaze Power Reactor(s).
Good luck getting your FREE free energy generator! LOL!
Kevin Blaze won't even +pretend+ to give you any proof of his assertions and claims!
Watch. Instead of supporting his claims with data and evidence, verifiable and OPEN SOURCED.... he will just continue to insult and make up paranoid delusions about his critics and people who expect proof of "free energy" claims.
Haven't we heard this all before?...
"For a LIMITED time only we are selling shares in the company offshore through a bank that we believe has the muscle and attitude to deal with our many detractors and protect your investments.|"
Right!
Good luck then.... Are You going to hit up the other forums as well? No need to answer that.
Quote from: ariovaldo on March 01, 2014, 11:30:32 AM
I got wait 3 or 4 more weeks before to release what I know about this equipment. This waiting time is because they have scheduled a thirty part test that will be conducted by Universidade de Campinas, Brazil and I would like to see the results.
Are there any results yet? I would like to see those results too. ;)
Quote from: Zeitmaschine on April 27, 2014, 07:25:18 AM
Are there any results yet? I would like to see those results too. ;)
No good results at all. Probably I'm missing something.....
Check this schematics....
Quote from: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 10:35:10 AM
No good results at all. Probably I'm missing something.....
Check this schematics....
http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg400631/#msg400631 (http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg400631/#msg400631)
Maybe related tp the pdf file
like this
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.
If you Follow the Mains HOT wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4). This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.
They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter.
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the world.
The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around 125 Amps circulating in itself. EXCELLENT for fooling people though. LOL
----> A VERY SPECIAL THANKS goes to Mr Ariovaldo for BUYING a Captor, taking it apart, and Drawing the SUPER GOOD Professional Schematic (see 3 posts above).
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Hello mr, according with your conclusion how you polarized ground wire to become neutral and extract 12.1kw electricity? Thanks.
Quote from: FatBird on May 04, 2014, 08:16:20 AM
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.
If you Follow the Mains HOT wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4). This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.
They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter.
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the world.
The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around 125 Amps circulating in itself. EXCELLENT for fooling people though. LOL
----> A VERY SPECIAL THANKS goes to Mr Ariovaldo for BUYING a Captor, taking it apart, and Drawing the SUPER GOOD Professional Schematic (see 3 posts above).
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Hi All,
This can happen with the right kind of old electrical kWh meters. But with a new type of meter, power consumption devices in your home, you are not connected to the neutral wire phase, kWh meter is still running!!!
Perhaps the kWh meter in Brazil are a bit above cons. Well the evidence is convincing: They suggest you to perform multiple grounding rods in your home area!!!
Regards
I tried to replicate this using 220-110 volt stepdown transformer. I plugged the transformer to the outlet then i put the tester probe to the transformer output. It read the normal 110v but when i add the wire to one of the output of the transformer connected to the ground, the voltage suddenly goes up to 150v and the transformer heats up very rapidly. Its like it shorted out so i discontinued the experiment. How is it shorted out when im using an isolation transformer?
Hi Neo-X,
Transformer 220/110 of you are testing; What happened that you mentioned above, may be between the primary winding and a secondary winding insulating layer of paper had no good! . .
Quote from: havuhung on May 07, 2014, 06:29:55 AM
Hi Neo-X,
Transformer 220/110 of you are testing; What happened that you mentioned above, may be between the primary winding and a secondary winding insulating layer of paper had no good! . .
I dont know how it happen. I was thinking the transformer is not really an isolation but a stepdown auto transformer.
Hi Neo-X,
It is an auto stepdown transformer, you draw a wiring diagram transformer, how to connect the ground wire from the transformer you've done? 'll see why Increasing voltage 110 up! . .
Heres the circuit...
Hi Neo-X,
Maybe you have the wrong wiring is like this! . .
The source 220v, hot wire is at the top of the picture and the neutral wire at the bottom of the picture.
Quote from: havuhung on May 07, 2014, 09:33:31 AM
Hi Neo-X,
Maybe you have the wrong wiring is like this! . .
The source 220v, hot wire is at the top of the picture and the neutral wire at the bottom of the picture.
I test the primary and secondary with multi tester if there is a connection between two and there is current flow so meaning it was really an auto transformer. Luckily i put the ground wire to the top end of the transformer if its on the other end it will explode high a huge spark. ;D
Ok guys, as you know I have a video in YouTube showing my finds in the Barbosa device. Its a very simple video and even getting some "different" results, I stopped my tests to work in others projects..
Check my video....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5qw76Ay7kg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5qw76Ay7kg)
Yesterday, Carlos my friend from Brazil, send me the link about one replication made by Nenad Savic using what my schematics and looks like that he got a "good results"
Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I5o4FUAfmg\ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I5o4FUAfmg%5C)
Today, he put another video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8)
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Hi All,
It is wrong to consider more about some of the meters, when measured on the transformer and the cable loop, the secondary winding current is when we have high ambient magnetic field and they have not been covered by metal shielding, the magnetic fields acting on the meter sensor measurement errors caused by showing results! . . ;)
Thanks ariovaldo, obrigado to carlos, keep us up to day.
We do some the same projects and we have some results even...it's mean the "terra effect" exist...Barbosa model is good enough for start up but need some upgrade.
Details by web contacts: www.altechlaboratory.com
ariovaldo, display the schema of your experiment, thanks in advance
Nenad Savic shows a Barboza replication having a 48watt input, and 2100watt output.
Anyone that can speak and write his language please invite him to come to this thread and tell us more about his circuit. Please...
Edit: I had not seen that the links had already been posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8)
Quote from: NickZ on June 03, 2014, 02:16:26 PM
Nenad Savic shows a Barboza replication having a 48watt input, and 2100watt output.
Anyone that can speak and write his language please invite him to come to this thread and tell us more about his circuit. Please...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8
aaaa, yes, yes, in the video the Serb says that has repeated the scheme provided by ariovaldo :)
Quote from: FatBird on May 04, 2014, 08:16:20 AM
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.
If you Follow the Mains HOT wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4). This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.
They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter.
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the world.
The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around 125 Amps circulating in itself. EXCELLENT for fooling people though. LOL
----> A VERY SPECIAL THANKS goes to Mr Ariovaldo for BUYING a Captor, taking it apart, and Drawing the SUPER GOOD Professional Schematic (see 3 posts above).
.
There is an easy way to see if the neutral wire is being bypasses and the grid meter fooled. Simply use an in-line safety
switch/residual current device (RCD), out of the socket being used, I did and with the active wire connected through the device
and returning the current through the ground the safety switch tripped immediately because a mismatch of current was detected
between the active and neutral lines back from the socket.
If the house is not fitted with any safety switch device it is possible to bypass the meter, however doing anything with live grid
power without a safety switch fitted to the house or without using an inline safety switch is madness.
Without seeing an in line safety switch (and test tripped) we have noway to know if there is one being used.
This is what one looks like but a single socket one can be had for about $20.00 that's a cheap second chance at life.
http://www.arlec.com.au/viewProduct.aspx?productcode=PB96&catalogueID=2&parentCatalogueID=2
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Quote from: Farmhand on June 03, 2014, 05:51:17 PM
There is an easy way to see if the neutral wire is being bypasses and the grid meter fooled. Simply use an in-line safety
switch/residual current device (RCD), out of the socket being used, I did and with the active wire connected through the device
and returning the current through the ground the safety switch tripped immediately because a mismatch of current was detected
between the active and neutral lines back from the socket.
If the house is not fitted with any safety switch device it is possible to bypass the meter, however doing anything with live grid
power without a safety switch fitted to the house or without using an inline safety switch is madness.
Without seeing an in line safety switch (and test tripped) we have noway to know if there is one being used.
This is what one looks like but a single socket one can be had for about $20.00 that's a cheap second chance at life.
http://www.arlec.com.au/viewProduct.aspx?productcode=PB96&catalogueID=2&parentCatalogueID=2
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not, you are wrong!, in a first video, white power cord is designed for a 2.5A, he is not calculated for 2.3KW!
Quote from: x_name41 on June 03, 2014, 06:12:20 PM
not, you are wrong!, in a first video, white power cord is designed for a 2.5A, he is not calculated for 2.3KW!
I don't understand your post. What does the white power cord's designed power rating and "he is not calculating for 2.3 kW"
have to do with weather or not he's using a safety switch ?
Is he using a safety switch or RCD ? You tell me and show me your reasoning.
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Quote from: Farmhand on June 03, 2014, 06:51:57 PM
I don't understand your post. What does the white power cord's designed power rating and "he is not calculating for 2.3 kW"
have to do with weather or not he's using a safety switch ?
Is he using a safety switch or RCD ? You tell me and show me your reasoning.
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well Farmhand, but let's point out that this white power cord may miss 2.5A max., This cable can not misses 10.45A (for 2.3KW), if actually the output is powered directly from the phase trough grounding
He is talking from video replication the power cord will not resist 2.3 kw, the current is coming from earth.
This topic will be solve if somebody show this system from battery and power inverter.
Quote from: fer123 on June 03, 2014, 08:09:15 PM
This topic will be solve if somebody show this system from battery and power inverter.
Of course, if supplied with power from a battery (through power inverter), could not be fraud, because it does not use the phase of grid
Last night i made another replication attempt of this. This time im ensured that i use isolation transformer and i follow the patent of barbosa exactly but still i cant detect any voltage and current in the output. Then i discover that one of our power line is grounded outside near in the post when i test its voltage it gives 225 volts when i connect one of the outlet to the multi tester and to the ground. I test the outlet voltage and it gives only 220 volts. Now why it has an excess of 5 volts? Is it possible that the ground give extra voltage? What if i increase the frequency will the ground give more voltage like teslacoil?
here's the scheme on a Serb, from video on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I5o4FUAfmg), sorry for ugliest drawing, but I could not on a better :)
How I wish that the above diagram were true and that it's that easy to implement. But I find it hard to believe...
Maybe one of us can replicate it, and obtain the same results as Mr. Savic.
Possibly a tv yoke can be used instead of the big toroid core.
Hopefully he will continue on with this, get rid of the basket, clean up the connection wires and connect more bulbs to show what more it can actually do. Who knows what potential it really has.
I think, that the primary is not so normal, if you look closer you see that the transformer windings are intersected clock and counter clock direction. ;)
This is very interesting:
prezi.com/5u4p81mxrstx/no-lenz-but-resonance/
iS THE BROWN WIRE lIVE AND BLUE nEUTRAL ??? THANKS
In Serbia is standard brown/black=live, blue= neutral, yellow=ground.
IN comments profesor is talking something about you must know tesla fizic and mathematic for calculate and bringing resonance in several stages. (IMHO turns and thicknes of wires)
Good question Totoalas, The convention in Australia is live-brown, neutral blue, earth green, but I think the drawing is color coded wrong.
In this case it is especially important to be clear which wire is which. If people wire up their own cables it would be easy to wire them
up however and in a lot of cases it might work ok until death or problems occur if the brown is wired as neutral in the plug and
connected as live in the device. Here looking at a socket the left lead is the live and the right the neutral, then looking at a plug
about to be inserted the same rule applies but if we look at the plug from the pins side the right one is live and the left one is neutral.
Having said that if the device output is neutral and Earth there would be little to no potential difference to cause current as the
neutral is connected to the ground, if not it is hardly "neutral". The possibility that leaves, is that the output wires consists of a
connection through to the live wire of the grid and the ground wire which is connected to the neutral wire on the other side of the
meter/fuse box.
Now if a current can be maintained between the live wire and the ground, the entire system is extremely dangerous as is any
device connected to the house wiring system also potentially dangerous.. It means there is no residual current device or safety
switch as some call them, the RCD/safety switch will shut off current if a mismatch of current between live and neutral occurs over
the rated 30 mA or so.
Now if the energy meter is seeing only 50 Watts or so at 240 volts then that's 0.208 amps, if any difference of current over 30 mA
is detected between the live and neutral lines then the RCD/safety switch will trip to save lives, if one is fitted. If no RCD/safety
switch is fitted I suggest getting one fitted.
The neutral wire should be held at or about ground potential, so there should be no possibility of any currents flowing between it
and the Earth, the only other possibility is that the live is using the ground as a return and bypassing the meter.
A 2.5 amp rated cable can take significantly more current than 2.5 amps for some time. The cable containing the wires for my
vacuum rated at 2000 Watts is quite small, the cable gets warm, very warm with use, it pulls 8.3 amps at 240 volts.
Along with any claim there should be clear information about the actual wiring of the device ( with clear labeled drawing ).
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Looking at the video of the guy squatting down near the grid connected device with boiling water and connections everywhere,
then seeing him nearly fall over made me wonder how long he will live if he continues to experiment in that way.
Safety switches save lives. We can't use stuff if our body is dead. It also upsets loved ones and others if people die in silly ways.
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yes, better would be if the Serb had made measurements of the current on the input with current clamp :)
Thanks Farmhand for the SAFETY First reminder//////
in 66 KV system Im working on, the step down transformer has 3 66 kv / 11 kv each phase
and 3 separate 11 KV Neutral transformers the size half of a car directly burried and connected to ground
Altechlabs circuit using two input frequencies on both ends of a bifilar coil and placed on top of a bifilar coil out to step diode rectifier parallel with cap i think is like a jln induction cooker experiment
My experiment with aluminum foil wrapped supply cord on an a/c 1 hp 220 v ac 50 hx load has some effect on the digital power meter one cycle is 58 seconds without foil and 157 seconds with foil..... just sharing....
totoalas
Other video from nenad. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KGWNQJO-go
Quote from: fer123 on June 11, 2014, 05:05:48 PM
Other video from nenad. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KGWNQJO-go (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KGWNQJO-go)
A Google translation from one of his video's says: " This is a demonstration of my patent examination work.
My electron pump from the planet takes the free electrons and is powered by six bulbs. Input power to the device is 20W and 410W output, ratio of output power to input power to the device is 20 times. Ipitivanje performed electrical engineer prof.Emil Peić"
It looks like he has a replication of Barbosa and Leal's concept.
Hi Guys,
Can anyone share all the images posted by Mr.Ariovaldo of Electron capture assembly. Looks like some interested thing i found & i can disclose once it's confirmed by looking at all the images.
check out 3 layers wound of toroidal core . More explanation in detail once i view the images. Request guys to share image
I did some tests trying to emulate the barbosa device. This device, under my tests, did not generate more energy than it spends.
When doing the measures, please check the phase current, because this device in getting the current from the grid ( input phase wire ) and sending the current to earth. The neutral current from input is almost zero, than if you get the wattmeter measuring the current from neutral, you will measure a huge gain. This device appears be fooling the wattmeter, Savic needs to publish the current from phase, not from a wattmeter that we don't know how works.
Prof Nenad Savic has removed all Barbosa's video ........
this is the greyscale which is a little easier, but really gives very little new.
Can someone upload Nenad Savic's videos to another place, please.
Cheers,
Adrian
This is the latest news I received from my contact in Brazil about the Captor progress .. 9th May 2014
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They are negotiating a deal with investors outside Brazil. Yesterday i had a long talk with the Brazilian middleman of this, but he is under a NDA... Anyway those investors have intentions to open the technology very close of a Open Source style.
Much will happen until the end of this year... And next year it is absolutely certain that we will have here at the www.fisl.org.br a Captor powering a portion of the event.
Tomorrow we will have the lecture of Sterling Allan, you can find the schedule at
http://papers.softwarelivre.org/papers_ng/public/new_grid?day=7
Today will happen a lecture about Barbosa technology but it will be in Portuguese.
Out live streaming are at
http://softwarelivre.org/fisl15/ao-vivo
Best
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4
Quote from: xhacks on June 25, 2014, 05:48:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4
That's a good video showing exactly whats going on, note he mentions he had to bypass the RCD (safety switch) because it kept tripping open.
At the end we clearly see the grid is supplying 2.4 amps from the active (phase) wire and that current is caused to pass through
the ground back to where the neutral is connected to the ground stake near the fuse/meter box, thus bypassing the measuring
arrangement in the meter and fooling it. Weather or not the meter on the house is being fooled is neither here nor there, if t is
fooling the house meter the power is being stolen, if it isn't fooling the house meter then the power is being paid for.
Seeing the around 80 volt drop on the load when the current is forced through the ground makes sense and someone with the
ability could determine the ground resistance that way maybe.
Maybe someone with knowledge of exactly how a meter box is wired could make a drawing to show the current loop in the
"captor" mode and in the usual mode of power use.
Bypassing the RCD could be very dangerous, that is why they exist, many people died so a safety fix was needed. Here they are mandatory.
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I also enjoyed the video but I don't remember any reference anywhere to the A/C-D/C conversion as in the Captor units? .. I must assume that the coils and connections have been replicated, but why did Leal and Barbosa include a/c-d/c converters and a magnetic pulse sensor unit if they aren't necessary?
It would be necessary for one reason because of the huge voltage drop, he isn't getting 240 volts AC powering the hair dryer,
he's getting way under 200 volts and a lot of household appliances would reject that. SO the drop could be fixed by using a AC to
DC converter then converting back to AC at the proper voltage. The voltage drop makes the 160-180 volts almost unusable for a
lot of things.
Seeing the huge voltage drop we can clearly see that the arrangement is very inefficient, the voltage drop represents a big loss of
power due to the ground resistance.
Basically if the house meter is fooled (which is the goal of the device) then power is being stolen and it is being used very inefficiently.
More or less the missing voltage is consumed by the ground resistance.
Going by the drawings in the patent the only drawing that works is the one with the active grid line directly connected to the High
Current loop and it is obvious what the result of that would be. Which is the voltage across the load is the potential between the
active grid wire and the ground, the ground taking the place of the neutral line (return line), this is how the meters cannot
measure the power because there is no return current through the meter.
EDIT: The system can never operate in that iteration with a working RCD (safety switch) in place and that is hard evidence that
the entire thing is a scam.
Trying to say the output is free from the ground is ridiculous. The power is supplied by the grid and the meters are bypassed.
My own experiments showed this if you looked.
I'll consider the device valid if the current from the active line does not feed the load with a return through the ground.
Barbosa and Leal should be in Jail as well if they are in fact trying to develop and distribute for use a system that bypasses the
meters, and most importantly bypasses the RCD (safety switch), because people will die. And they will be to blame if their device
is the cause of a death.
Think about it, a Death, a persons life cut short due to a knowingly dangerous device. Imagine it to be your own much loved relative.
Unless we are electricians and trained with an assistant present we should not be messing with the grid power at all
behind the socket.
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Many electricians do work alone on dangerous power systems, but they should take all the proper precautions. If I was an
electrician I would feel better if I had an assistant working with me in case I was rendered unconscious.
Being a boilermaker (metal fabricator) I run the risk of high current electrocution as well as other things that could render me
unconscious if care and precautions are not taken. I refuse to work in potentially dangerous situations without an assistant, an
apprentice with first aid training or an observer with first aid training. As with many other industrial occupations people get killed
and maimed, so we undergo a lot of on the job safety training and are instructed in electricity basics as apprentices in college,
those of us that took notice learned a bit about the dangers of electricity and how it can do odd things.
ie, arc drift in DC arc welding. For years I spent a good portion of the day watching an arc through a lens and dealing with power
cables around rail wagons ect. and around very dangerous stuff, I've seen people get electrocuted and have been electrocuted
myself more than once by 240 volts from the grid, even if it doesn't kill you it will do damage, I've also been electrocuted by
hundreds of amps output arc welders at low voltage with sweat from working as a conduction aid. Low voltage high current
electrocution is slow and I felt myself fading to black before falling and luckily pulling the Earth cable from the job. This happened
over 20 years ago. Safety is now much better mostly because of people demanding it because of seeing people harmed or
maimed. People cut off fingers and do all kinds of things. :o
I can assure you if you survive a hit from the 240 grid you are lucky and will endeavor to never do it again while giving stern
warnings to those who do not take care as it is a matter of duty of care for anyone witnessing unsafe practices.
I would hope if someone seen me doing something very dangerous they would warn me of the danger immediately.
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Farmhand wrote: Basically if the house meter is fooled (which is the goal of the device) then power is being stolen and it is being used very inefficiently.
More or less the missing voltage is consumed by the ground resistance.
my respond:
I am not sure that house meter is fooled.
I was give up on this. In spite of simplicity of the patent no one can replicate this. :(
DON'T GIVE UP .. it took a long time to get gold from the ground, and longer still to learn how to process it.
we need to remember that the electricity company took away the Captor to test it, they also believed it was a device which fooled the meters .. they then tested it (them) to see if they could find that they are unsafe .. when they found nothing the devices had to be returned.
Another point to remember is that the Captor was independently tested whilst running from a battery and the result verified as being six times OU (6xOU) not more as was found previously when a test measurement was found to be inaccurate. They have plans to self loop a battery powered unit .. You can be sure that the (french) electricity company would have stopped them if it could have. Just the fact that they have not been able to stop them might indicate three things, 1) it works .. 2) it needs more development before they see it as being a serious threat .. 3) it doesn't steal electricity.
Just my thoughts, as with the GEET device and developments with Plasma, people are getting closer, the only thing big business can do is to buy up the developments as they hit the market in order to keep the wraps on .. remember Genpax hydrogen (on demand) electric car developed in Japan .. now controlled by big business but exist it does .. AND IT WORKS .. as do lots of other things.
Hi to all, I make my simple replication and one thing i can tell , something strange happens.
See the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qsnEchKlc8.
In the moment i prepare a improved version to test.
Any suggestions :)
@Farmhand, in the UK the earth is the neutral and I can assure you 100% that running a load/house with live to earth will not alter your meter reading one jot, it is the same as running live to neutral. PME system look up on wikipedia. I tried it for 6 months when my earth leakage trip blew so bypassed the neutral. Readings and bill stayed the same.
Regards
Keith
PS. I guess I am one of those people that mess with 240V mains and more all the time, even survived a full 440 3 phase mains shock at work from one hand to the other, although it did render me unconscious for a few minutes.
Which meter the House meter or the energy meter showing a few watts just before the device.
Yes it all depends on how the residence is wired, every house in the world is not wired the same way.
The guy showed the meter being fooled right on video, the neutral was bypassed and the ground became the return no doubt
about it. I seen the video and it was clear. If one meter can be fooled so can two.
As I said weather the house meter is fooled or not is neither here nor there, if the house meter is not fooled the power is paid for
anyway, if the house meter is fooled the power is stolen.
It's not up to me who messes with what, as long as I give warnings, I'm satisfied.
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Quote from: Neo-X on June 26, 2014, 04:18:50 AM
I was give up on this. In spite of simplicity of the patent no one can replicate this. :(
In order to replicate this the RCD must be bypassed as in the last video, that was a replication and it was a successful one. It just
didn't show what Barbosa and Leal claimed, instead it showed the real picture.
Take it or leave it and replicate it your self. Just don't die trying please.
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Quote from: skribat on June 26, 2014, 04:37:26 AM
DON'T GIVE UP .. it took a long time to get gold from the ground, and longer still to learn how to process it.
we need to remember that the electricity company took away the Captor to test it, they also believed it was a device which fooled the meters .. they then tested it (them) to see if they could find that they are unsafe .. when they found nothing the devices had to be returned.
Another point to remember is that the Captor was independently tested whilst running from a battery and the result verified as being six times OU (6xOU) not more as was found previously when a test measurement was found to be inaccurate. They have plans to self loop a battery powered unit .. You can be sure that the (french) electricity company would have stopped them if it could have. Just the fact that they have not been able to stop them might indicate three things, 1) it works .. 2) it needs more development before they see it as being a serious threat .. 3) it doesn't steal electricity.
Just my thoughts, as with the GEET device and developments with Plasma, people are getting closer, the only thing big business can do is to buy up the developments as they hit the market in order to keep the wraps on .. remember Genpax hydrogen (on demand) electric car developed in Japan .. now controlled by big business but exist it does .. AND IT WORKS .. as do lots of other things.
Yes well if the setup does not steal power and is not dangerous in itself, the energy company can do nothing.
It's only when people disable their RCD and use the actually "fooled" energy meter reading before the device to claim OU that
there is a problem. And if power is not being stolen then it's none of their concern. Why would they even care if no power is
actually being stolen.
The energy company can do nothing about a con man and a stand alone energy meter being fooled. Nothing
But how do you explain the fact that the only iteration of the device that works is the one that does trip the RCD open. And if it
does trip the RCD then it cannot be used as a permanent house installed device. And it is using the ground as the return, which is
inherently very dangerous for household appliances.
If you encourage people to experiment with a device knowing it is dangerous and one of those people you encouraged gets killed by the
device then you ought to take some responsibility for that. Think about that. What are your qualifications skribat ?
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Hello, I would say that after making tests with 12v dc without being connected to the electrical network realized that something strange was happening because the same circuit in my opinion behaves as a "joule thief". I observed that with only one pulse one 12v battery the voltage gain would quickly close to a capacitor 70v.
I repeat the circuit is not connected to the mains.
I'll try to make a circuit to pulse dc current.
I'm not here trying to prove anything because it is all in the name of science :)
The electric installation of my house has all electrical and fire protection if the phase is connected with the earth however the circuit works without the differential protection shoot.
I think that the patent does not specify how exactly is the circuit.
I will continue with my tests and will post new videos soon.
thank you
If there is a working RCD (safety switch) installed at the meter box if a current mismatch between the Active (phase) wire and the Neutral wire of more than 30 mA occurs as shown in the video, then the RCD will trip open. That is what they are designed to do to
save lives, if it doesn't then it's faulty or not installed correctly, or the connecting of the phase to ground does not cause a current
mismatch of 30 mA or greater. In the video there is 2.4 amps on the phase and zero on the neutral, but there would be some due to the 40 or so watts measured. Just the meter probably cannot read that small of a current.
Are you sure you are connecting the Phase and not the neutral to ground ?
Video clip showing meter fooled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4
It is also possible to use an "inline" RCD (safety switch) I have one and use it, cost only 25 dollars or so. They should protect the
user from electrocution between Phase and ground when using grounded neutral inverters and detect when a mismatch of current between the Phase and neutral occurs.
Using an isolation transformer without the output neutral connected to ground won't work as the isolation transformer cannot exert a potential difference between the isolation transformer output and the ground, so no current flows through the ground and virtually no output will be got from between one leg of the isolation transformer and the ground. Another pointer to the grid supplying the energy.
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greetings, after doing some tests with pulses 12v dc transformer barbosa as thought behaves with a joule thief.
I have no oscilloscope to analyze the output but it would be interesting to observe the wave.
I made some changes in the original configuration because as I said the patent for this barbosa not tell everything.
Who would bother to patent something that is a fraud? ;)
Thank you for your comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYbMfbeQMZ4
I live in Italy and the meter set by the company making the distribution of
electricity is electronic type with permanent digital connection with the mainframe
electric company and also has the built-in 'switch for maximum power and
differential of the earth, not by-passable and every malfunction is noted
on the bill as attention.
Therefore it is impossible for me to do these tests ...
Leo48
I live in portugal and in my home i have the same electric protection .
Best regards,
These are the tests with ac network.
So far the best results are obtained.
I recall that the intent of these tests are not cheating or putting people in danger but to promote answers questions about the functioning of captor.Os results are not considered reliable because the magnetic field influences the readings.
But I will continue to study the results of further tests.
My interest has always gone to use the equipment outside the network electrica.Não there any legal issue with justice ... I suppose :)
Good vibes for everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czdXl2FJ8_8
Nelson can you give us a schematic of your setup.
Thanks
dave
Hi dave i reproduce the circuit based in patent.
This is only a transformer and i think is just a based joule ring circuit.If you see the video test with dc you see clearly that little magnet when activate the reed switch and pulse the dc 12v e acts like a joule thief.
The loop secondary is made with 3 cables stranded (I don't have lots of resources) i think it can change the result because e acts like a bifilar coil like other energy devices like kapanadze etc.
See and reed very well the patent because the small details make a lot off difference :)
I will out the weekend and rest with my family . soon i will continue , and wait other tests because my resources are low to make lots of different tests.I pretend to buy a ups or a inverter to make other tests :) i cant wait.
greetings
Good afternoon, I found that the circuit generates large amounts of reactive power when an inductive device is connected.
My watt meter measures the power factor and noticed that when I connect an inductive load directly to the power grid power factor varies depending on the equipment but always below 1 always 0.75 to 0.79. When I turn on the same charge through the circuit power factor is always 1 which tells us that the efficiency of the equipment is the best, all the energy supplied by the source is consumed by the load and reactive power is not needed.
but when I disconnect the capacitor from the circuit (output) power factor goes to 0.1, 03 ranging.
For example, to get 1 kW of real power when the power factor is unity (equal to 1), 1 kVA of apparent power will necessarily be transferred (1 kW ÷ 1 kVA = 1). Under low values of power factor, to transfer a greater amount of apparent power to obtain the same active power is required. To get 1 kW active power with power factor 0.2 will need to transfer 5 kVA of apparent power (1 kW = kVA 5 × 0.2).
Apparent power is the product of the current and voltage of the circuit. Due to energy stored in the load and returned to the source, or due to a non-linear load that distorts the wave shape of the current drawn from the source, the apparent power will be greater than the real power. A negative power factor occurs when the device which is normally the load generates power which then flows back towards the device which is normally considered the generator.
When power factor is equal to 0, the energy flow is entirely reactive.
I think this matter is a starting point to understand some details of circuit operation.
I think the reactive power generated is stored in the condenser and fed to the load causing not consume active power in phase.
I think this matter is a starting point to understand some details of circuit operation.
I think the reactive power generated is stored in the condenser and fed to the load causing not consume active power in phase so the meeter dont count real power W.
Capacitive loads such as capacitor banks or buried electrical cables produce reactive power with advanced power compared with voltage. Both types of load absorb energy during part of the AC cycle, only to return back to the energy source for the remainder of the cycle.
sorry for my english :) some the notes a copy from wiki to explain this.
I would greatly appreciate your opinions, soon I will make a video to illustrate this explanation.
May also see some tests I published some time about inductive reactive energy with my youtube channel that can be useful loads.
Thank you
One note :
In Portugal only the industrial market pay reactive power not the domestic consumer.
I say that because in this tests you create a great reactive power and if your provider charges you ...;) €$
bye
Hello All,
I replicated Barbosa and Leal circuit yesterday using the schematics shared on overunity.com. Following are my findings.
I used Toroidal transformer 220V, 500W as primary coil and powered it up from Grid using 236V AC. I used the secondary coil( black 50mm copper cable) with one loop through Toroidal with closed circuit. I connected the Phase(Line) from grid to the secondary loop too for polarity. My Ground seem to be very good showing 0.245 Volts between Neutral and Ground. I created 6 loops of ground cable around Secondary coil. Then I powered up my primary coil and immediately the secondly coil with little humming shows about 80 amps of current in. I measured volts between Secondary and ground to be 236V.
Then I put load connected to Secondary and Ground and my 500W lamp lit perfectly. Now the interesting part is here.
I measured my input current(from grid) and my output on to the (Phase on load) but they were both same as 2.1 amps. The secondary coil was still showing 80amps current. So where is OverUnity? Did I do anything wrong in the circuit?
Please advise if anyone has replicated it with success. If someone is successful, then please share the exact details of primary coil and secondary( cable length, no of loops, gauge of the cable...etc) and how to connect ground of capturing electrons from ground. This may help.
The test I did leads lead me to the conclusion till now that there wasn't any Overunity in the circuit.
Thanks to all.
You may need to measure the phase angle ;D
@ isam, I have tried all ways to connect this circuit, if you look at it all that is happening is the live goes almost direct through the load to earth and lights the bulb the rest of circuit is not used.
Regards
Keith PS secondary amps around 100 in my circuit but has no effect on load up or down.
Hi is my last video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs.
I will no post more videos about this circuit because i have other projects in my mind and in develop.
I see many people trying to replicate a patent barbosa and interestingly not seen at the beginning of the patent references stanley Mayer patent. It's just a tip not everything that glitters is gold, everyone just eyes in barbosa patent ignoring any description of Farady not referring to the bibliography used for the construction of the patent.
Good luck to all.
Thanks to NelsonRochaa on overunity thread for "Barbosa"
Barbosa power generator video clip(s) on Youtube below..Duplicators !!!
Acca...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs)
Quote from: Acca on July 03, 2014, 05:44:24 PM
Thanks to NelsonRochaa on overunity thread for "Barbosa"
Barbosa power generator video clip(s) on Youtube below..Duplicators !!!
Acca...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs)
Hi Acca
This device is truthfully?
regards zcsaba77
What would be most interesting to know is -
what does nelson's electricity meter (power provider meter) do/show when he connects the motor and soldering
iron to his device ?
Penno
Hi Penny is pertinent to your inquiry. My counter is digital it works with pulses. When i have a chance i try to verify analog but I could see that the numbers of pulses in the counter does not increase when the circuit is connected to load.
In my opinion the circuit is not returning energy to the electrical power network but to consume reactive power that the engine generates during operation called reactive power displacement.
This phenomenon is caused by the harmonics created by the circuit and.
Any device that bind to the circuit always will have a power factor of 1.
You can do a test with an inductive or capacitive and resistive load.
The three have different values of power factor. 1 is the most efficient and usuis pertinent to your inquiry. My counter is digital it works with pulses. When you have a chance try to verify analog but I could see that the numbers of pulses in the counter does not increase when the circuit is connected to load.
In my opinion the circuit is not returning the electrical power network but to consume reactive power that the engine generates during operation called reactive power displacement.
This phenomenon is caused by the harmonics created by the circuit.
Any device that bind to the circuit always will have a power factor of 1.
You can do a test with an inductive or capacitive and resistive load.
The three have different values of power factor. 1 is the most efficient and usually resistive load is usually 0.98.
But inductive loads in the case is different. Forehead and takes your findings.
Besides being the power factor of the circuit always mean that one is not using reactive power from power network.
thanks and good tests.
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)"
There's no over unity here. The phase line has 2.4A, which is returning to grid source through the ground back to the network ground, bypassing the neutral line. In order for over unity, the phase current after the secondary loop should be greater than the phase current before if the secondary loop is contributing to the current flow to the load. I don't see the current loop doing anything.
Hello wayne rightly so, in the video you describe
the phase of the electric network is being conducted by grounding doubt that anyone has doubts. That's not the idea.
The neutral is in use as the grounding and your protection in my circuit.
you can verify that consumption increases the loads used by varying their behavior depending on the type of cargo ex (inductive, capacitive or resistive). Thus the effect is different from that which you speak.
thanks
Quote from: wayne49s on July 04, 2014, 05:10:23 PM
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)"
There's no over unity here. The phase line has 2.4A, which is returning to grid source through the ground back to the network ground, bypassing the neutral line. In order for over unity, the phase current after the secondary loop should be greater than the phase current before if the secondary loop is contributing to the current flow to the load. I don't see the current loop doing anything.
Hi wayne49s,
The loop device is only to fool the observer! . . This device has no power to effect capture from the ground, in fact it is a device used to deceive kWh meters, use ground bar to replace the neutral wire of the power supply area. . . You can be electric shock by touching electrical appliances and device connected to the safety ground with metal casing!!! :(
Man you are so smart ! I don't have copper ground bar in my home i live 9º floor ! And sure a will show the circuit working and i will measure in other socket ground and neutral to you see the danger that you talk ...lol
Or if you like a can put my hand in the ground.
Not talk about the things that you can understand .If you want to help give suggestions to improve the tests not only talking.
bye
Nelson, can you post a schematic drawing of the arrangement you have ? I looked but I couldn't find one posted by you.
If I missed it I apologize. :-[
We need a drawing of the circuit to be able to follow what you're actually doing.
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Hi Nelson,
I didn't comment on your post because, like Farmhand, I am not totally clear on your circuit details without a schematic. I notice in your earlier video. that you have something like a capacitor that is connected even with the AC test that you did. Also in the video, it looks like you are using the power cable to form the current loop. You don't seem to have a separate ground beyond the neutral which the power company presumably connects to ground. [size=78%]So a schematic would be very useful for readers of your posts.[/size]
In your conclusion, you are claiming ou and somehow the circuit converts reactive power to real power? That itself would be useful from an ou point of view as it is readily possible to generate much more apparent power VAR then watts.
Any clarification would be appreciated.
/Wayne
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Hello Wayne.
It is important to differentiate the active power (watts) the apparent power (volt per amp), for what we pay is the active power Watts.
In some countries the energy returned to the network (reactive power VAR) is also charged.
Always said that the vessels of generic measure such as ammeters and multimeters only measure apparent powers except in true rms measuring devices.
Meters (such killwatts) measure the active and apparent power because are true rms.
It is known that the reactive power generated in the operation of a motor or transformer which is usually returned to the network is not able to produce active power according to current science explains and generating large amounts of heating in inductive loads and in all circuit.
When the power factor is corrected and that the optimal value (1 is best) all the reactive load does not return the network being used less active power to make the job because the apparent power reactive power is reused at the source.
Now think with me:
If the reactive power causes heating of the electric circuit in the unit that generates and causes distortion of the sine wave AC making companies apply charges based on the power factor forcing the user to maintain maximum values close to 0.78 (depending on supplier) what do you think if all inductive and capacitive devices have an ideal behavior which is always 1? This will be great ok ?
If the reactive loads do not produce active power (Watts) because it is so unwanted by the companies?
Because heat conductors requiring the use of larger conductors? The harmonics created that distort the quality of the grid ?
Heat on drivers is synonymous with? Joule effect. :)
But they say it can not be harnessed and converted to active energy! For they say, and many other dubious explanations.
Never mention that my circuit is overunity. Never
And so I can do other types of tests, will share results. Currently has several contacts in order to sell the device (These people are crazy lol) and for that reason I can not dissect the circuit in detail.
I think later and in order to finance my tests I can put up for auction on EBAY the prototypes.
Always said that the original patent had important data, including the bibliographic references made sources used in the preparation of patent barbosa.
I can not say much more about this project.
And say something clearly:
I've seen many circuit diagrams to run the internet and only serve to confuse even more people.
Do not copy! Recreate and abstracts them from the real world and of laws imposed.
Know very well what has happened to the most notable inventors who wanted to change the system. Were abandoned by the scientific community, were murdered, were persecuted and most other things that are common domain.
Never assert publicly that the system works for free energy ! and I'll never tell.
How say Scolari:
And I'm dumb?
Its a joke made by Scolari when train Portugal football team to a reporter. :)
Man good luck in your experiments
elecar
gurangax
Wayne see this video and see the question about powerfactor. bye.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hR0Ak2vsyg
See this videos too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoc_9h4vCKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoc_9h4vCKs
thanks
muchas gracias nelsonrochaa pero pon esquemas que nos tienes en un estado de crisis nerviosa :o
esquemas muito obrigado nelsonrochaa mas você nos colocar em um estado de colapso nervoso :o
many thanks nelsonrochaa schemes but you have put us in a state of nervous breakdown :o
Hola viejo loco
todo mi trabajo se comparte vídeos en mi canal de youtube.
Algunos tienen meses sin que nadie se preocupa por.
Mi punto con esto es que la mayoría de la gente sólo quiere resultados inmediatos.
Este tipo de circuitos y requiere mucha paciencia para interpetar analizar los resultados y si son válidos.
He tenido algunos comentarios del género:
¡Eso es imposible! debe existir en una pila .. oculto condensador blalalal.
Mi trabajo es serio para mí por lo menos.
No lucro € nada para compartir mis vídeos mis esfuerzos con la comunidad.
Lo hago por gusto.
Tengo mi oportunidad y sólo puedo prometer que voy a seguir para publicar mis vídeos.
No fuerce a nadie a ver mis videos.
saludos
GRACIAS NELSON, pero recuerda que si pusieras algún esquema, para que lo pudieran probarlo por ellos mismos, tendrías mas visitas ya que la gente para creer necesita comprobarlo por ellos mismos, ya que hay muchos estafadores por estos mundos.
pero yo te sigo y no solo los miro, sino que tan bien los grabo,. jejejejejej.
perdón si te molesta pero cuando se consigue algo lo borran o lo hacen desaparecer, pero si quieres mi correo es viejoloco@hotmail.com.
http://gruposenergialibre.com/ en esta pagina tienes a gente como yo que seguro que te sentirás cómodo, pásate por contacto y pica en cima, y luego pica en foro GTEL ESPAÑA, y te saldrá donde dialogamos y compartimos las experiencias, un abrazo de un seguidor tullo, y por favor sigue que hay gente que te sigue en silencio. ;D ;D ;D ; ;D
OBRIGADO NELSON, mas lembre-se que se você colocar algum esquema, para que eles pudessem provar-se, teria mais vistas e levar as pessoas a acreditar que você precisa ver por si mesmos, pois há muitos scammers estes mundos.
mas eu ainda não vai apenas olhar, mas como bem gravado,. jejejejejej.
Desculpe se isso incomoda você, mas quando algo excluído ou que eles fugir, mas se você quiser meu email é viejoloco@hotmail.com.
http://gruposenergialibre.com/ nesta página pessoas como eu que certeza você se sinta confortável, pare por contato e picadas em cima, e depois afundar no fórum GTEL ESPANHA, e você vai chegar onde discutimos e experiências compartilhadas de Tullo abraço de um seguidor, siga e há pessoas que te seguem em silêncio. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
THANKS NELSON, but remember that if you put some scheme, so they could prove themselves, would have more views and get people to believe you need to see for themselves, as there are many scammers out these worlds.
but I still will not only look, but how well recorded,. jejejejejej.
sorry if it bothers you but when something deleted or do they get away, but if you want my email is viejoloco@hotmail.com.
http://gruposenergialibre.com/ on this page have people like me who sure you feel comfortable, stop by contact and stings on top, and then sink in GTEL SPAIN forum, and you will get where we discussed and shared experiences a tullo embrace of a follower, please follow and there are people who follow you in silence. ;D ;D ;D
nelson tu no me has hablado por correo pero la pagina me a mandado 4 mensajes que me dicen lo siguiente lo copio y pego todos lo mismonelson você não tenha falado comigo por e-mail, mas me mandou para a página 4 mensagens me dizendo isso eu copiar e colar tudo a mesma coisa
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Another test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQhRQVGOM2Y.
Buen trabajo Nelson. :D
@nelsonrochaa, good work, please post rough circuit diagram, I have tried a few circuits that have been posted but no joy.
Regards
Keith
Quote from: fer123 on July 08, 2014, 09:15:54 PM
Buen trabajo Nelson. :D
Bueno esto parece otro video sin ningún sentido real, miles de personas han echo esto, ocultar cables, sin saber cual es la entrada o la salida y menos se puede hacer nada con esto sin ningun diagrama para ver si es algo real....
Estoy cansado de ver videos que realmente no muestran nada.... una pérdidaa de tiempo. :-\
TheStone.
hola,
Creo que es notable que es la entrada y la salida electrica del circuito en los videos publicados.
Ahora en cuanto a no tener sentido, esto es por lo que estoy haciendo estas pruebas, como usted ha dicho que no tiene sentido aparentemente.O Watt metros puede no decir bien debido a la interferencia magnética, por lo que cuando se prueba con un medidor de un proveedor que pueda verificar si relmente funciona o no.
De todas las pruebas que he hecho hasta ahora no han encontrado overunity pero una disminución real en el consumo de aproximadamente 55% en promedio que varía con el tipo de carga utilizada (inductiva o resistiva).
El único fenómeno que me hace pensar que esas son las fluctuaciones en el consumo cuando cuando utilizo algunos tipos de motores.
Voy a publicar un plan con el fin de der finalizado todas las pruebas y las conclusiones.
Debo mencionar otra nota para aquellos que recientemente comentó algunos de mis pruebas diciendo que es imposible.
Tome una lectura de amplificadores MAG Magneticos.
Si necesita puedo proporcionar documentación sobre este tema.
Mi trabajo no es un enbuste también quiere pagar menos electricidad :) pero es necesario trabajar, leer, probar.
Es una de las razones para tomar horas y horas con estas experiencias.
Aproveche esta oportunidad para agradecer a la donación hecha por uno de mis seguidores.
Sin las donaciones de materiales sería casi imposible avanzar en algunos experimentos por ello mi agradecimiento.
Gracias
English please, can not understand anything you are saying.
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on July 10, 2014, 07:36:46 PM
hola,
Creo que es notable que es la entrada y la salida electrica del circuito en los videos publicados.
Ahora en cuanto a no tener sentido, esto es por lo que estoy haciendo estas pruebas, como usted ha dicho que no tiene sentido aparentemente.O Watt metros puede no decir bien debido a la interferencia magnética, por lo que cuando se prueba con un medidor de un proveedor que pueda verificar si relmente funciona o no.
De todas las pruebas que he hecho hasta ahora no han encontrado overunity pero una disminución real en el consumo de aproximadamente 55% en promedio que varía con el tipo de carga utilizada (inductiva o resistiva).
El único fenómeno que me hace pensar que esas son las fluctuaciones en el consumo cuando cuando utilizo algunos tipos de motores.
Voy a publicar un plan con el fin de der finalizado todas las pruebas y las conclusiones.
Debo mencionar otra nota para aquellos que recientemente comentó algunos de mis pruebas diciendo que es imposible.
Tome una lectura de amplificadores MAG Magneticos.
Si necesita puedo proporcionar documentación sobre este tema.
Mi trabajo no es un enbuste también quiere pagar menos electricidad :) pero es necesario trabajar, leer, probar.
Es una de las razones para tomar horas y horas con estas experiencias.
Aproveche esta oportunidad para agradecer a la donación hecha por uno de mis seguidores.
Sin las donaciones de materiales sería casi imposible avanzar en algunos experimentos por ello mi agradecimiento.
Gracias
Hola Amigo, entonces es probable que funciona este aparato verdad ?
Hola Alejandro guille,
Yo respondería con un 100% convencido de que funciona.
Ahora puedo decir es lo que observo con mis metros.
Así que puedo responder y decir que funciona cuando se prueba con un proveedor de electricidad mostrador.
Ahora en cuanto a circuito barbosa que han visto el internet tengo mis dudas;
amperaje que el bucle no se corresponde con la ganancia real del circuito, probada y verificada.
Sin apagar el circuito eléctrico de protección DR, la barbosa circuito
no funciona debido a que la fuga es detectada Una tierra 30mA superior que hará que el sistema realice DR.
Se puede observar algunos efectos interesantes en la onda sinusoidal de desplazamiento que muestra la influencia del flujo magnético en el bucle de corriente eléctrica que fluye en la carga.
También comprobé el circuito provoca picos negativos de largo,
actuando de forma idéntica a una forma ladrón Joule.
Lástima que no tengo oscillosopio proprio, además avariei lo que me habían prestado por un amigo durante la prueba.
Ahora tengo una certeza, y puedo garantizar que no hay ningún cambio en el cuadro eléctrico durante todas las pruebas, no hay cables ocultos ni otro tipo de broma durante mis videos.
buenas experiencias
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on July 11, 2014, 04:31:07 AM
Hola Alejandro guille,
Yo respondería con un 100% convencido de que funciona.
Ahora puedo decir es lo que observo con mis metros.
Así que puedo responder y decir que funciona cuando se prueba con un proveedor de electricidad mostrador.
Ahora en cuanto a circuito barbosa que han visto el internet tengo mis dudas;
amperaje que el bucle no se corresponde con la ganancia real del circuito, probada y verificada.
Sin apagar el circuito eléctrico de protección DR, la barbosa circuito
no funciona debido a que la fuga es detectada Una tierra 30mA superior que hará que el sistema realice DR.
Se puede observar algunos efectos interesantes en la onda sinusoidal de desplazamiento que muestra la influencia del flujo magnético en el bucle de corriente eléctrica que fluye en la carga.
También comprobé el circuito provoca picos negativos de largo,
actuando de forma idéntica a una forma ladrón Joule.
Lástima que no tengo oscillosopio proprio, además avariei lo que me habían prestado por un amigo durante la prueba.
Ahora tengo una certeza, y puedo garantizar que no hay ningún cambio en el cuadro eléctrico durante todas las pruebas, no hay cables ocultos ni otro tipo de broma durante mis videos.
buenas experiencias
Hi nelsonrochaa,
Please, a complete circuit diagram that you test to lead you to believe and conclude 100 percent that it worked! . . This will help convince people to believe in your statement above. :D
Sorry for the translation. What i want to say is i can sure that device work 100% .Is the reason for tests.
Goggle translate make mess.lol :)
>:( lol another time !
>:( Sorry for the translation. What i want to say is i cant sure that device work 100% .Is the reason for tests.
Goggle translate make mess.lol :)
Nelson:
Are you sure that this device works, or not???
Estas %100 seguro que fuciona, or no?
Yo tampoco entiendo lo que quieres decir.
Even if this thing only works connected to the grid source, but not being detected by the power company meter readings, then that would be really, really advantageous.
NickZ
has i said all this tests is to comprove if work or not.
The values in the meeter can change be the magnetic influence of circuit.
I wll make tests with company meeter reader is the only way to know if the circuit and the values are true.
this is the point of situation.Sorry for make mess with translation.
:)
hello
in your videos you can tell, show and test, but if you don't say what you show and test ... this is not interesting
why you don't put diagram circuit ?
Man, if with this videos you cant see what i want show :) without wanting to belittle you i think this theme is not for you .... but i respect your opinion.
thanks
i see and i understand what you want show, but i don't see your diagram circuit in video that's all
Quote from: phoebus33 on July 11, 2014, 02:37:46 PM
i see and i understand what you want show, but i don't see your diagram circuit in video that's all
There are a few schematic diagrams just 5-6 pages back in this thread.
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on July 11, 2014, 12:44:18 PM
>:( lol another time !
>:( Sorry for the translation. What i want to say is i cant sure that device work 100% .Is the reason for tests.
Goggle translate make mess.lol :)
Hi nelsonrochaa,
I also used google translate, and has faced very funny translation errors due to negligence and not checking back! ;D
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on July 11, 2014, 01:04:50 PM
has i said all this tests is to comprove if work or not.
The values in the meeter can change be the magnetic influence of circuit.
I wll make tests with company meeter reader is the only way to know if the circuit and the values are true.
this is the point of situation.Sorry for make mess with translation.
:)
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It is easy to understand the translation, thank you for your contribution to the forum. sk
I did some tests with ground electricity and captured indirectly (without any connection except the ground) ambient voltage around 20V AC 50Hz. I was able to turn on a LED.
From the ground and me I can measure cca 1V, from wall there is even around 5V, from something matallic I can get much more voltage.
I am very interested if this energy (even it is unusable for practical use) is counted by electro meter.
Hi pavqw,
What you have capture in ground are static electricity caused by a autoinduction of earth ground and phase the cables of grid.
You can make nice circuit see this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXeCL3yse7E.
bye and good tests.
Wow, big thanks!
It seems it could work. Question is, if it is really free energy or it just fooling a meter. If it is free, it could be easy to get more and more power.
Hi , the circuit that i past links don't absorb energy from grid because is static energy.
for this reason you can sure that wont count in your grid meter.
thanks
That's perfect. So I don't understand why it is not used widely? Well it seems as you can get theoretically unlimited power or am I wrong? There should be a limit.
Do you think there is some negative property so it can't be used to supply more devices in home?
hello pavqw,
The basic problem is that energy can not be charged $ :)
For this reason it is not widespread.
Yesterday I read an article that left me wondering where someone wise and excellent ability to scan said the following:
On the day the power is free the world had collapsed.
And he has every reason, society as we know it, is deeply dependent on the silicon, electrons and electrons ... this makes with all the economic and social foundations that support society are directly dependent on electrical power.
From one day to another would be the global source of a strong global collapse of all financial structures that would eventually reflect on all of us.
However it is just a theory :).
Indeed it could be true.
By the way, just small idea comes to my mind.
If previous device will work, and it seems it will, then if we can generate for example A/C voltage and supply with it our free energy device (so we swap the grid line to self generated power), we should get self looping behavior.
Generator should be powered from Free Energy device.
Free energy device can't drain power from the generator, so it must work. But I am afraid it is not so easy and we can't achieve overunity here. Generator has to be very efficient and probably with specific characteristics and maybe some load attached?
If I am correct, it seems the higher load is in grid the more free energy from the device. So if nothing is connected to grid we can't get free energy from this device.
Well, we can say that it is a difficult task to achieve overunity .....
at least the explanations of conventional science.
But we also have proven for more eccentric people in this branch of science that 1 +1 does not equal 2 :).
What I mean is all very questionable depends on the person's perspective. There are people who are completely formatted and do not even bother to test and question why some phenomena visible in our day to day happen.
Regarding your reasoning on the fact that the electrical network connection does not exist and the circuit does not generate power as soon not be overunity,
makes sense in this particular case because the circuit only compensates the local load used reducing the power consumed in the power grid however the effect is there, this is the most important! Now if the circuit is designed to store the surplus somehow allowing self-circuit power will have to be designed differently than what I'm trying to do now DC pulsed.
Never intended to prove that the circuit causes the electric meter misread the consumer's favor but rather to demonstrate the effect and works very well :).
As I said today to a subscriber of my channel this is just a drop in the ocean.
Still so much to understand, test, in this matter.
One thing I can guarantee:
In my humble opinion it all boils down basically the same.
Everything depends on the back-emf and resonance, something that is not easy to attain as they are not visible phenomena in everyday life.
The people in your life period of time have less time to be attentive to the smallest details; everything has apparent explanation :) so why try?
No, we buy buy .... The great lords of money keeps us busy and distracted to consume and work.
This is the system:)
man i work in my own researches about 15 years and i see every time new phenomenas and i learn with that.)
bye and good mad science ;)
how right you are, the secret of mind control is distraction .. we don't even need to get over unity, just 100% efficiency would be a giant leap forward, .. cut out the loss.
Hi
Yes I fully agree, if there is 100% efficiency was already very good.
Efficiency = total utilization of input power without the waste load, of course there will always lose, resistance, Joule effect ......
But the resistance might be overcome :) what happens when a circuit is in resonance mayor?
It will be reactive energy or BMF has the same behavior of conventional energy in a electric circuit? maybe not. I think these are the most important factors to achieve maximum levels of efficiency.
Too bad our conventional measurement devices do not measure these manifestations of energy as would be faster to draw conclusions.
And because our measuring devices not properly measure these types of energy? hummmm. These phenomena were only discovered now? Or have already been discovered over 1 century by brilliant minds neglected by science? Makes you think
'makes you think' .. yes making people think is good. We now have devices which only a few years ago consumed many watts of energy which now consume only micro-watts. Maybe for the moment this is the way to go and it might open the doors to other developments. The evolutionary process is usually the best way to go.
Hi , Nelson . Only a question , if you can . Have you tried also with an Inverter ? . I can't remove The safe protection RD , and i am trying with a pure sine wave inverter . But at the moment with no results . Thanks in advance .
I also try with battery and ac converter for more than a month without success either
Hello, andrea_bel
not tested with an inverter because I have no money to buy one :) but I have in mind to make a test.
Once you have opportunity publish the video.
I have not had much time unfortunately to move because he was unemployed and got a job now. Unfortunately I'm working 10 to 11 per day which prevents me move as fast as it was happening.
Another thing, do not hang the RD system.
You can innocently create an accident at home ... and it is not the way.
I mentioned several times that my RD system is connected.
I also have plans to post a video where the RD system will test before and after connecting the circuit so that they can verify that it is active and it is not necessary that it be turned off until for safety.
When I finish all my tests I will publish the circuit.
Publish the circuit, so that people do not think that I want to share or that I'm fooling anyone, but I will not publicly .... just in particular. I do not want trouble with the law and I say this because never accept the use of this circuit, and for this reason the way forward will be to use the circuit outside power grid. But I have to take time and money to outfit :) thing that currently do not have abundance.
One step at a time.
Good tests.
The providers of electricity will never accept the use of this circuit by obious reasons.
Sorry for the mistakes in translation continue to fail as the € 500 notes in my wallet lol.
Tommorow I'll try to do some tests with free static frequency energy. If I'll find it is really useable I want to continue in research. I can try to do some bigger devices. It could be very interesting to get power around kW.
From my point of view it is a legal way of getting energy. It is same as you use vapors from a chimney to get some extra heat. It just uses by-product.
What do you think?
Thanks Nelson for you answer . Excuse me , i haven't understand that the safety switch was on (probably my translator ) . Thanks for your great job that are you doing , also for us that are enyoiing with this tests . I am compariing your great job with prof nenad savic . It seems that the toroidal core , was more insensible to loads . Perhaps because it has more primary power than your toroidal core ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw :)
Quote from: totoalas on July 18, 2014, 08:43:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw :)
Wow... They start the system using batteries and seems without wire to the ground. comment ?
Hi Andrea bor ;
In my setup i use a conventional primary coil 220v ac transformer but i think that if increase the turns will reveal changes in result, but in my setup a use a conventional toroidal core without original secondary layer .
I try another cores like a MOT but i think is not so efficient to make the secondary.
I have planes to make a new video with a MOT and DC pulse test because i want to explore the dc effect.
I wait for ebay some mosfets to make a oscillator, (i don't have a inverter) to test the pulsed DC.
I have curiosity because the effect that i observed when i make basic tests was very interesting.
I could fill 15mf cap with 400v in a single touch of fraction of a second . using the secondary coil and colect in primary coil, or using only primary coil and without secondary coil connected, the cap fill up in the 2 situations.
I have shure that with a video is more clear what a want to say. need to make the video:)
Basically is like the video that i make with dc test.
good work and thanks very muck for your donation man
Hi Marsing like i say before in other posts is obvious that Barbosa not reveal the real details of circuit work in the patent i say this million times!:) Is a maneuver diversion. The patents are based on other people work and Barbosa understand how it works so compile there patents.
Reading the original barbosa patents you could find the numbers of other patents that is used in there patent,
and you ask you: what a fuck? barbosa make a puzzle with a 10 difference patents ? yes!
The effects are similar to ismael project or QEG or akula .Basicly is tesla work .. understanded .
People like akula have the intellect and the material resources so are in the top of run is simple.
In this last barbosa video you can see that i have problems in 1 point of circuit : batteries basically the same problem that ismael have , ;). The are much evidences and connections in all this circuits but the principle is all the same EMF , or REACTIVE ENERGY DC or AC and resonance.
Man i am a only curious man and when i talk i based everytime in testing and observation i read a lot and see ramifications in all circuits and is all the same the only think that change is method to obtain the effect.
Tesla use a spark gap or rotated gap, now we use silicone so what is the difference of resistance when you pulse dc or ac in mosfet or in a spark gap ?
hap it make lot of difference . this is the point.
thanks
Hi greats,
Shure you can do a bigger device and think that is very interesting. The static have much potential, you can see works like lasersaber with free electric static motor http://laserhacker.com/?p=356.
There are lots of projects like testatika that only us free static energy.
I wll follow you and your tests :)
thanks
Quote from: pavqw on July 17, 2014, 05:44:01 PM
Tommorow I'll try to do some tests with free static frequency energy. If I'll find it is really useable I want to continue in research. I can try to do some bigger devices. It could be very interesting to get power around kW.
From my point of view it is a legal way of getting energy. It is same as you use vapors from a chimney to get some extra heat. It just uses by-product.
What do you think?
People one post more :o ;D is weekend and im happy :)
I want to put a link of one my new subscription of youtube Gfusion Core.sa
link channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3Cw
Man if you listen me you make a great work! proving that all i say about isolate from the conventional principles of electricity if people want to advance is like this man.
I recommend i have great videos about ground system , high frequency energy and other great thinks .
bye
the link is wrong :) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3FCw
this is!
I dont know what I am doing wrong, but static free energy does not occur in my case. I built my device as described in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o
but it does not work for me. I can measure cca 0,5V only. When I put my lamp close to this device I can measure around 1.5V.. Thats not much.
Here are some photos. I guess there is something missing or our grid is different. Maybe I have to connect some load?
man where is the rectifier ?
Hmm, it is not connected yet, because I can't get any A/C voltage. Do you think I'll get D/C voltage with connected rectifier?
Thanks
I gave you 100% guarantee that will work with rectifier.
bye
I am afraid, but rectifier (Gretz) does not helped at all. Voltage is cca 1V DC.
I've double checked everything and it seems its OK but it does not work as expected.
Interestingly when wire from a lamp is very close I can get higher voltage but thats all.
It seems when I turn on the device, voltage drops even lower.
make a photo with the bridge connections to see .
Confirm if the - is grounded and one leg ac bridge ground too.
OK, I think it is OK. I have tried both ends of coil with same results too.
It is all grounded as in schematic. Rectifier is just simple full wave bridge.
I guess there should be AC voltage coming from coil/ground.
I am not sure but without neutral from the grid I can't measure any voltage.
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on July 19, 2014, 07:34:00 AM
People one post more :o ;D is weekend and im happy :)
I want to put a link of one my new subscription of youtube Gfusion Core.sa
link channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3Cw
Man if you listen me you make a great work! proving that all i say about isolate from the conventional principles of electricity if people want to advance is like this man.
I recommend i have great videos about ground system , high frequency energy and other great thinks .
bye
Hi there nelsonrochaa :)!
Thnk you for your nice comments, yes I have been doing alot of Experimenting for some years now, Have you seen my videos??
Check them out.
I did many experiments with coils and Tesla coils, Royer circuits , and other types of transformers with pulses.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3FCw/videos
Btw I have seen that you got a Captor, was very interested to hear about this.
I also did some tests and the results are odd yet surprising.
I did replicate a small captor based on what was provided in this thread, and saw that the Fase (hotwire) works with ground very good and
depending how many grounds you connect to each other like I did, managed to pull 2.0~ amps from ground and voltage around 90V.
I connected e bulbs of 200 watts ( each 100watts )
I have 127V here on the island.
I managed to put plates in ground, 3 plates of half a meter wide and half a meter long.
Good output, but the more plates I put the more amps and maintains voltage up. But can't touch the ground haha.
But don't know if the meter can count that what I am using.
I will check your videos out, Because There must be methods of creating a a Hot wire via e inverter that can pull out amps like how I do with the mains hot wire.
Cheerz :), Hope to share more
Hello Nelson . Thanks for your answer . I'll try it .
Quote from: GeoFusion on July 19, 2014, 08:24:08 PM
Hi there nelsonrochaa :)!
Thnk you for your nice comments, yes I have been doing alot of Experimenting for some years now, Have you seen my videos??
Check them out.
I did many experiments with coils and Tesla coils, Royer circuits , and other types of transformers with pulses.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3FCw/videos
Btw I have seen that you got a Captor, was very interested to hear about this.
I also did some tests and the results are odd yet surprising.
I did replicate a small captor based on what was provided in this thread, and saw that the Fase (hotwire) works with ground very good and
depending how many grounds you connect to each other like I did, managed to pull 2.0~ amps from ground and voltage around 90V.
I connected e bulbs of 200 watts ( each 100watts )
I have 127V here on the island.
I managed to put plates in ground, 3 plates of half a meter wide and half a meter long.
Good output, but the more plates I put the more amps and maintains voltage up. But can't touch the ground haha.
But don't know if the meter can count that what I am using.
I will check your videos out, Because There must be methods of creating a a Hot wire via e inverter that can pull out amps like how I do with the mains hot wire.
Cheerz :), Hope to share more
Hi Geofusion,
yes I've seen most of your videos, and for this reason I recommended your work as it is very interesting.
I also do experiments more than 15 years :) is the hobby of my life;)
The first time I did tests with BMF was 8 years old, and did not understand how he could take advantage of the BMF of the coil of a relay, I saw that there was a discharge but did not understand that purpose and was addicting me more and more tests, but in there time there was no internet as now exists to ask questions :) now everything is more accessible, so there is too much information (bad information).
Regarding the "captor" I understood that you do not have the active DN system, therefore
you have done more than one connection to earth and I'm sure that the effect is quite different.
In my case it is impossible to do this kind of test because I live in a 9 floor of a building;)
I have to use the grounding of electrical building with active protection DN, and it was this problem that made me understand something more about this system.
I think the circuit is no more than a variant of other circuits that make use of back emf or reactive power in ac.
In your latest videos you use the same principles to achieve the effect of feedback
by the ground. (Nice coil).
I appreciate the fact that you visited my channel because otherwise would not have known your work that I recognize is very interesting.
I'm trying to see if I could put a video today with some basic tests in DC
to demonstrate some important points.
Thank you and good experiences
Hi Nelson.
I've found a problem in my circuit! I have chinese supply cord where phase and neutral wires are swapped, so there was connected neutral instead phase.
Now I can achieve 185V AC without load! Thats perfect. Unfortunately output power is very poor. If I connect just one LED, then voltage drops to 33V AC @ 40uA.
So If I am correct, I need around 135-757 such devices to get 1W output :)
By the way, this device does not offer free energy. It is not static energy, but simply electromagnetic - same as in transformer but with very poor efficiency. At least it seems to me.
I can measure same amperage in input side as in output.
Probably it could fool a grid meter but thats all :(
It is probably similar principle as Barbosa & Leal device so if it is needed, you can do so rather with direct connection and more amperage with less effort.
Quote from: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 01:09:49 PM
Hi Nelson.
I've found a problem in my circuit! I have chinese supply cord where phase and neutral wires are swapped, so there was connected neutral instead phase.
Now I can achieve 185V AC without load! Thats perfect. Unfortunately output power is very poor. If I connect just one LED, then voltage drops to 33V AC @ 40uA.
So If I am correct, I need around 135-757 such devices to get 1W output :)
By the way, this device does not offer free energy. It is not static energy, but simply electromagnetic - same as in transformer but with very poor efficiency. At least it seems to me.
I can measure same amperage in input side as in output.
Probably it could fool a grid meter but thats all :(
It is probably similar principle as Barbosa & Leal device so if it is needed, you can do so rather with direct connection and more amperage with less effort.
Hi im happy for you :) This circuit work with static electric . you do not transfer by induction because if you measure you don't have resistance in primary coil because one leg of the coil is open (fase) .
Think if you simple change the diameter of the brass with more mass . ;)
and more copper. You can improve the output with regulated simple circuit in the output.
good experiences
True, well if it works with static energy, it could be a very normal HV capacitor with very small capacitance.
It drains power from input so unfortunately it is not free energy device :( Or am I wrong?
If there is no load, then there is no input and output amperage. It is very clearly visible on my meter.
Quote from: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 01:51:07 PM
True, well if it works with static energy, it could be a very normal HV capacitor with very small capacitance.
It drains power from input so unfortunately it is not free energy device :( Or am I wrong?
If there is no load, then there is no input and output amperage. It is very clearly visible on my meter.
Quote from: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 01:51:07 PM
True, well if it works with static energy, it could be a very normal HV capacitor with very small capacitance.
It drains power from input so unfortunately it is not free energy device :( Or am I wrong?
how can the circuit drain if in the circuit don't have any connection of the electric phase with the ground ?
Review the circuit because something is wrong.
if you put a circuit open you cant draw current ok ? and in original circuit the primary coil have one leg disconnect .
bye
Indeed, circuit is open, one leg is not connected and nothing is connected to phase wire to make circuit.
But if you imagine it is really a capacitor, so you can put there some input power and then you can discharge it...
Each capacitor draws some small current until it is charged.
Well, there could be a problem in our house wiring which is quite old. There is PE and N connected together. So it could be a issue.
Good here I leave the last tests ;) but for now is what I can show.
I hope you all take some conclusions of these tests like me. :o
I'm a little sick :-[ so not complain to the sniffles ... :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaHXLZ6QJss
Very nice work!
Tommorow I will try to change Ground from the grid to real Ground and see the difference.
Have you tried to make this device too? Did you measure any consumption between phase input and brass rod?
Thanks
Quote from: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 04:01:15 PM
Very nice work!
Tommorow I will try to change Ground from the grid to real Ground and see the difference.
Have you tried to make this device too? Did you measure any consumption between phase input and brass rod?
Thanks
Hi yes i make a model too, long time ago and works , but in my circuit the phase can have any consumption because is open so no current can travel . The phase is only for give de frequence alternations .
Is very easy make a model with parallel units but you need to understand the concept first. see another time in detail the circuit. I another chance of your house have a old ground connection joined with neutral.
bye
We will see in another tests.
All in all it is quite good for LEDs at least.
If its really free energy, then I am very happy with result :)
Quote from: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 05:15:57 PM
We will see in another tests.
All in all it is quite good for LEDs at least.
If its really free energy, then I am very happy with result :)
It make me very happy see you achieve your purpose :) You have a scope is a bit more easy to confirm some things i don't have scope , i use a radio to listen the variation of frequency.
Now you can go for other type of project . did you understand what i say ;)
bye
Quote from: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 05:15:57 PM
We will see in another tests.
All in all it is quite good for LEDs at least.
If its really free energy, then I am very happy with result :)
or can make one of this to use the circuit with more efficient.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmlpV1MWm40
First from all I want to check if it is free energy or not.
If so, I can make much bigger prototypes and try to do other constructions.
Yes, I have scope.
At the moment I am 90% sure it is not free energy.
Brass + shrink tube + copper wire is just normal capacitor except output power is captured from different wire.
It is same as with electrolytic capacitors where there are +, - and 0.
Charge is coming over a capacitor core.
Whats more, there must be some resistance, but very very big.
This capacitor is very weak so it is reason why max output power is very poor.
If I am wrong I will be happy :)
But this theory just confirms my measurements.
I've tried more projects right now but I can't find one with real free energy phenomenon.
Quote from: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 05:44:48 PM
First from all I want to check if it is free energy or not.
If so, I can make much bigger prototypes and try to do other constructions.
Yes, I have scope.
At the moment I am 90% sure it is not free energy.
Brass + shrink tube + copper wire is just normal capacitor except output power is captured from different wire.
It is same as with electrolytic capacitors where there are +, - and 0.
Charge is coming over a capacitor core.
Whats more, there must be some resistance, but very very big.
This capacitor is very weak so it is reason why max output power is very poor.
If I am wrong I will be happy :)
But this theory just confirms my measurements.
I've tried more projects right now but I can't find one with real free energy phenomenon.
Ok if act like a cap so is electrostatic agree ?
Yes, it could be. I can feel with my fingers there is some charge on the coil even it is unplugged for a while.
I swapped ground from the grid to central heating (it is grounded too) and it works too, input consumption is same - currently around 70uA.
Well, even it is electrostatic energy and you use it in any way, it has to add current in the source.
If not, it is overunity and you can catch as much electricity as you want without affecting a grid - physics law should be broken then.
Quote from: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 05:59:54 PM
Yes, it could be. I can feel with my fingers there is some charge on the coil even it is unplugged for a while.
I swapped ground from the grid to central heating (it is grounded too) and it works too, input consumption is same - currently around 70uA.
ok 70ua on input it seems like a ambience electrostatic interference .You use a analog or digital meter? .did measure the output ?
Output consumption is always cca 3uA lower than input, so input is for example 73uA and 70uA output.
It is clearly visible that if I add some load to output consumption on both sides is changing proportionally.
For example I added just LED, then there is 40uA consumption (on both sides nearly equal). Then I throw it away and there is 0.002uA which is 0 + measurement error.
It is digital meter.
Quote from: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 06:14:12 PM
Output consumption is always cca 3uA lower than input, so input is for example 73uA and 70uA output.
It is clearly visible that if I add some load to output consumption on both sides is changing proportionally.
For example I added just LED, then there is 40uA consumption (on both sides nearly equal). Then I throw it away and there is 0.002uA which is 0 + measurement error.
It is digital meter.
man you cant draw current from the grid because you don't transfer by induction .
If you put a lamp connected to phase and nothing in other side you can consume anything now if you connect the lamp in phase and in ground , then you can measure and will consume.
the circuit don't have direct connection to phase or magnetic coupling .
When i have some time i will make a model for compare my results with yours.
try to make reverse engineer of the circuit.
try measure the circuit without the ground and with the ground . the measure you make are in phase cable or in ground cable ?
Thank you very much.
I know there is no connection, there is at least 1mm isolation layer.
Still, if I connect some load then circuit is closed if you consider brass with phase and coil (output wire) is together capacitor.
It is closed because load (for example LED) acts as diode and has its resistance.
Then electrons must pass just 1mm thick shrink tube and because there is always EM emmision (or whatever it is) it passes this layer, but of course in very bad shape.
Voltage drops barely but only 1:(big number) of electrons (or whatever it is) passes this barier - so output power can't be good.
With higher voltage transmission should be much better I guess.
Do you know pencil-like indicator can show you where is main grid in the wall without any connection? It detects voltage even for few cm distance, because there is always some emmision.
I am sure that without ground cable there should'nt be any consumption. I have already tried to start it without ground without success, I'll try to measure it too.
Input consumption was measured in the phase cable.
So I did some tests with separated ground (directly to ground) and results are same.
No free energy here. I can measure input consumption very precisely.
Even isolants are conductive to some point.
If you do same tests be sure you are measuring AC, because there is no input DC consumption of course.
My final statement for now is, its not worth to build Lorrie Matchett device, because there is no free energy at all.
But it was nice to learn something new.
Quote from: pavqw on July 21, 2014, 01:59:28 PM
So I did some tests with separated ground (directly to ground) and results are same.
No free energy here. I can measure input consumption very precisely.
Even isolants are conductive to some point.
If you do same tests be sure you are measuring AC, because there is no input DC consumption of course.
My final statement for now is, its not worth to build Lorrie Matchett device, because there is no free energy at all.
But it was nice to learn something new.
Hi pavqw , soon has i can i will try to make a model to compare some notes with you.
Thanks for the tips .;)
One more joke??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw)
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Quote from: ariovaldo on July 31, 2014, 03:27:22 PM
One more joke??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw)
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Ola Ariovaldo ,
este video já tem algum tempo (1mês) ,a não apresenta grandes novidades , aparentemente.
Ainda não entendi o porque de tanto segredo por parte deles.O meu inglês é péssimo e por isso vou postar em português já que ainda não tinha tido oportunidade de falar contigo dado que tinhas ido de ferias :) Espero que tenham sido boas , sabem sempre a pouco.
Aquilo que pude constatar em todos os testes que fiz (Alguns não foram publicados) é que o efeito é similar a outros projectos baseados em energia livre como por exemplo Ismael Aviso,kapanadze, akula etc.
Todos estes projectos tem algo em comum :ressonância, BACKEMF e ground .
Após alguns testes que fiz com DC pulsado , pude observar alguns efeitos interessantes e que continuarei a explorar, dá uma vista de olhos no ultimo video que publiquei.
Existe um efeito de "swing" ou ressonância no circuito que mantém o circuito a oscilar . Vê e da-me a tua opinião .
Em relação a testes na rede ac :
O circuito que demonstrei no video , não esta apenas a enganar o medidor como muita gente aqui referiu.
A razão para o qual apresenta aqueles valores é simples :
O circuito esta a devolver energia a rede e o medidor apenas mede entre os seus terminais a energia real que é consumida mas quando o circuito gera um excedente de energia (Reactiva) a mesma é absorvido no loop criando um acoplamento indutivo com o primário devolvendo energia para a rede .
Inicialmente o fluxo magnético gerado no loop pelo primário cria um fluxo magnético fixo e sempre referi que a amperagem medida no loop não é a disponível tal como quer dar a entender o Barbosa ,mas o efeito magnético criado pelo loop é importante para gerar o efeito observado .
O medidor que uso é true rms, ele mede corrente aparente,real e também factor de potencia.
O circuito tem uma redução em geral de 58% em relação ao consumo normal das cargas que testei variando consoante o tipo de carga , pois no caso de cargas indutivas geradas em motores eléctricos o efeito é mais visível , pelo facto de criarem energia reactiva e essa é necessária para criar o campo magnético entre o loop e o primário do transformador dado que o fluxo magnético é invertido no sentido da rede.
Já testei com várias fontes de medição inclusivamente com um contador da fornecedora eléctrica que tem os dois medidores disco e digital por impulsos , e o que é curioso é veres o disco realmente andar muito mais lento , ou em pulsos :) e as vezes parar e não existir os pulsos.
No entanto se a mesma carga fosse ligada directamente a rede o contador alem de aumentar os pulsos (dez por cada volta da roda analógica) era visível que a roda analógica rodava de forma uniforme. algo esta a acontecer ..
Quero assinalar que o meu sistema de Protecção DN do quadro eléctrico esteve sempre ligado ao contrario do que vi em alguns testes feitos por outras pessoas. È muito imprudente desligar o sistema de Protecção DN e por esse motivo assim que puder vou publicar um video exactamente a demonstrar, que o meu sistema DN esta activo e funcional e que não faz sentido desligar o mesmo .
Volto a referir que a patente de Barbosa é apenas uma mescla ou mistura de patentes.
Se leres as referencias que usaram para conseguir fazer a patente , são todas já conhecidas e essas sim são importantes para perceber o efeito.
Vou receber um osciloscópio :) uma doação feita por um subscritor que vai possibilitar outro tipo de analise .
Eles (Barbosa) apenas criaram uma manobra de diversão para desviar a atenção das pessoas daquilo que realmente é importante . É possível que eles saibam já algo mais e por razões óbvias não querem difundir .
Eles apenas descobriram um efeito mas precisam de $ para poder avançar nas suas pesquisas e parece que não o têm por isso criaram este show para captar as atenções de alguém capaz $ garantir financiamento um investidor , tal como kapanadze.
Eu dedico-me a este hobby com muito poucos recursos e sei que é complicado quando queremos avançar em algo e ficamos parados porque não existe $ para os equipamentos para material etc.
Aguardo uns mosfets de ultra baixa resistência para testar os pulsos em DC :) assim que puder publicarei resultados.
Boas experiências
For people that want reproduce the circuit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJeF8TxjB0
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on August 10, 2014, 06:25:57 AM
For people that want reproduce the circuit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJeF8TxjB0
Some interesting effect when pulse the dc current in the circuit with a vibrator .The gap created is green .
I thing can be any relation with Cherenkov radiation .see the video and comment. Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxEAQNOjp0
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on August 26, 2014, 07:08:08 AM
Some interesting effect when pulse the dc current in the circuit with a vibrator .The gap created is green .
I thing can be any relation with Cherenkov radiation .see the video and comment. Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxEAQNOjp0
Hi another test to see the gain in the output with a motor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on August 28, 2014, 07:12:47 AM
Hi another test to see the gain in the output with a motor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0
Another test with a resistive load https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9daYU4JBMu4
thanks
Any news?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtRFSqj504
This is a video in Spanish that modifies the circuit Barbosa and place a capacitor instead of a ground wire screwed. Very simple to prove.
Cheers..
I
Like i said to @Enric Toledo in a private email some time ago, u have the wire of closed loop the thicker one, when u put the ground cable around the thicker wire what u get? A primitive capacitor, two metalics surfaces separated by a isolator... Right?
But our friend Ariovaldo got one of these "captor de elétrons da terra" disassembled and nothing special in the connection if i remember right...
@ ALL
new to the forum - but I started a the first post and covered everything to present - IMHO the material that was stated to be gravel in the "junk captor" photos appears to be quartz crystal fragments which can be purchased globally. these crystal fragments can give out a piezzo electric effect - they supply the electric spark to fire starters and most cigarette lighters nowadays. since I see a heavy concentration of them poured in the primary toroid area before the resin was added it could be possible to have an extra effect on both the primary and the heavy wire loop in that area. If the other areas of the resin did not have them it would be somewhat of a confirmation. just a thought.
also why was the captor a " junk captor" ?
LOL Clarence
Quote from: ILLATIKSI on December 01, 2014, 07:52:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtRFSqj504 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtRFSqj504)
This is a video in Spanish that modifies the circuit Barbosa and place a capacitor instead of a ground wire screwed. Very simple to prove.
Cheers..
I
I have found really interesting this modified design with a capacitor instead of the turns done with the ground wire, and connecting the secondary to the primary from the outlet instead in the inlet.
The input is not affected when adding a load. Please watch the video.
Regards
Hanon,
this design only demonstrates a mag-amp-effect. The small shorted coil ( 160 t0 200 A) has the effect of saturating the torus-core.
Because of this the reluctance of the big coil is reduced drastically. Without shorting the loop-coil the reluctance of the big primary coil is so high ( 1- 2 Henry) that no active current is flowing but only reactive current. Without load and the small coil shorted the clamp-meter thus shows 0.9 A but what the clamp-meter does not show is the phase-shift between voltage and current. In this phase still only reactive power is oscillating although the inductance of the primary has dropped down ( by saturation) to about 0.1 Henry . Without the capacitor this would come close to a short circuit-situation.
Once you put on a load a respective active power ( and current ) is flowing into the load but still the clamp-meter can not distinguish between active and reactive current. You have a mixture of active and reactive power which does not exceed 115 Watt ( 115 V * 1 A )
There is no overunity effect here and certainly no current drawn from the ground.
I myself have done extensive continuous testing ( more than a year) with this kind of setup ( even without the capacitor) in order to dim loads up to 1 KW. Standard transductor technique dated back to 1930.
This guy has no clue what is going on in his setup
Regards
Kator
Is this real replication?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4
Neo-X,
yes this guy demonstrates the principle which is not easy to discover because the complicated transformer and coil-setup obfuscates this.
It is stealing power and dangerous
I am not the moderator of this thread but I would close it.
Kator01
Hello @ ALL
Whether this Forum covers the Barbosa and Leal device or not will NOT stop individuals from attempting to replicate their device.
It would seem more appropriate for the members to lead wisely to all potential replicators advising them of harmful methods and practices
as they become apparent to the gracious experienced and knowledgeable members of this forum.
As a recent member I made it a point to cover all posts from #1 to present and I did observe the many PAST warnings of quite a few valuable
experienced members who were certainly ON POINT!
It is my own personal thought that ANY replication attempts should NOT be tied to a Corporate Commercial Energy Grid system whatsoever!
The Barbosa and Leal system within their patents EVEN shows that it was intended to be a Battery - Inverter - Captor - Rectificator closed loop system
independent from other systems entirely!
my own replication effort has been thru a battery powered inverter system from the getgo and will remain that way. all IMHO.
thanks.
Clarence
Clarence
Quote from: Neo-X on December 10, 2014, 03:02:51 AM
Is this real replication?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)
It's an interesting experiment but in his country you bypass the meter. He says it's just stealing.
It does not work in the UK. (I've tried it). In the UK the neutral is clamped to the earth.
He also did not show his earth rods at all. It proves what I've suspected all along, that the
Barbosa Leal system is abstracting energy from the Brazilian grid, and the Brazilian government does not
want publicity about this fact or every shanty town in Brazil will steal energy.
If you want immediate free energy get yourself solar panels for now. They are free energy and coming down in price.
Or keep experimenting....
What happens if you separate earth from neutral with an isolation transformer ?
Hi, I have been in Brazil several times and steal energy from the grid is the second most popular sport after football :D . They dont need an electron captor to steal , just a CAT-tor, they call to steal " to make a CAT" (fazer um gato in portuguese).
So its stupid to think someone (Barbosa-Leal) invented something to steal electricity cause it has been done without any captor. I think half of the population or more steal regularly energy ;D
@cheors, as a.king21 said, in the UK the earth is the neutral the neutral is the earth clamped at both ends. There is only one live wire from grid, often a concentric cable is run to houses which has only one red conductor in the center then the outside is armoured steel earthed, neutral is connected to this at the house and at the power station. Called PME.
Regards
Keith
Time for new experiments. This is about a very strange behavior of a simple electric circuit. High voltage with nearly zero current attracts electrons from ground and passes them through a spark gap (that plasma jet melts ceramic). I don't think this behavior is completely in accordance with the textbooks.
Captor De Elétrons Da Terra (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AprHLd0tfZc)
It works also without the antenna, but then the spark is not that strong. Ground is not really necessary because there are a lot of free electrons already in the wires. Also there is not this violent sparking when the diode is shorted or the connected capacity is too high.
The high voltage transformer actually consists of ten small 230/24V transformers connected together. When that transformer is connected in step-down mode, a primary voltage of 234V generates 19.5V secondary voltage. Hence the ratio of that transformer is 1:12. So in step-up mode 302V input should generate 3624V RMS, that's 5110V peak-to-peak.
The length of the spark is 4 to 5mm, that implies a voltage of 4 to 5KV. This matches the roughly 5KV p-p coming from the transformer. What not matches is the high current obviously going through the spark gap. The 12V DC current coming from the battery is 3A without spark and around 4A with spark. This calculates to 4A times 12V equals 48W total power consumption.
Since the high voltage at the spark gap is around 3624V RMS this then calculates to 48W divided by 3624V RMS equals 0.013A (13mA) at best. Not considered any power dissipation of the inverter and the transformer itself.
Now you decide if the current going through that ear-deafening spark gap is just around a maximum of 13mA or not rather a lot higher.
If we calculate just the 1A DC difference between spark and no spark, the calculation looks like this: 1A times 12V equals 12W. 12W divided by 3624V RMS equals 0.0033A (3.3mA).
Now the counter calculation: Shorting the secondary of that high voltage transformer via a 270KOhm resistor (or even directly) in series with a spark gap means 3624V RMS divided by 270000 Ohm equals a current of 0.013A (13mA). That's the same 13mA value like calculated above, but I have to dim the lights in the room to see that faint tiny spark (almost noiseless) which is created by that 13mA/3624V RMS.
As it looks, this setup consists of a capacitor that provides high current with low voltage and a transformer that provides high voltage with low current. The result of this seems to be a mixture of high voltage with high current (amplification of power).
Any questions and suggestions?
Further readings:
The Work that is Created by Means of Potential Field - Alexander V. Frolov (http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/145171/)
Advanced Energy and Propulsion Systems based on Chronal Reaction Method - Alexander V. Frolov (http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/145172/)
By the way: Figure 5 seems to be the theory about the Perendev Magnet Motor; Figure 6 the theory about the Quantum Energy Generator (QEG).
Are you really, REALLY, sure that a spark to the metal in the last drawing draws no current from the primary?? I'd check that with an oscilloscope on the primary before believing Frolov.
Hi zeitmaschine, where are you putting load in your captor circuit, across the spark or in series with the spark or somewhere else? Also I am not sure how long inverter will last with high voltage up against output, When I try to mix voltages in my circuits inverter blows.
Regards
Keith
Quote from: pomodoro on December 15, 2014, 02:00:54 AM
Are you really, REALLY, sure that a spark to the metal in the last drawing draws no current from the primary?? I'd check that with an oscilloscope on the primary before believing Frolov.
Absolutely SURE. The primary should be connected to an inverter and a 12V battery. So the 12V DC (!) ampere measurement is accurate to the mA. Don't measure the AC on the primary directly, it is completely messy due to the sharp spark pulses.
Quote from: captainkt on December 15, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
Hi zeitmaschine, where are you putting load in your captor circuit, across the spark or in series with the spark or somewhere else? Also I am not sure how long inverter will last with high voltage up against output, When I try to mix voltages in my circuits inverter blows.
The spark is the load. Replacing the spark with an incandescent lamp (high-ohmic) will not show anything unusual. That lamp then just shines dim and flickers. Maybe connecting an arc lamp is the better choice.
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.If you Follow the Mains HOT wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4).
This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the world.The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose
EXCEPT to show around 125 Amps circulating in itself. EXCELLENT for fooling people though. LOL
----> A VERY SPECIAL THANKS goes to Mr Ariovaldo for BUYING a Captor, taking it apart, and Drawing the SUPER GOOD Professional Schematic.
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Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 15, 2014, 09:50:20 AM
Absolutely SURE. The primary should be connected to an inverter and a 12V battery. So the 12V DC (!) ampere measurement is accurate to the mA. Don't measure the AC on the primary directly, it is completely messy due to the sharp spark pulses.
I would only trust that method of measurement if the power drawn from the spark is greater than the quiescent no load input to the inverter. Not an easy thing to do as the capacitance of the metal object will only be a few pF.
@Fatbird
QuoteThis Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.If you Follow the Mains HOT
wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4).
This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND
and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the
world.The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around
125 Amps circulating in itself. EXCELLENT for fooling people though. LOL
When I first saw the patent that is the first thing I noticed, I thought they do know the neutral conductor is bonded to the ground plane don't they?. I seemed very obvious and this is the standard in North America I believe...is it in Brazil?.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on December 15, 2014, 12:13:33 PM
@FatbirdWhen I first saw the patent that is the first thing I noticed, I thought they do know the neutral conductor is bonded to the ground plane don't they?. I seemed very obvious and this is the standard in North America I believe...is it in Brazil?.
AC
ha ! allcanadian, did you lost hope ?
@Forest
Quoteha ! allcanadian, did you lost hope ?
Forest... I thought you knew me better than that.
AC
Quote from: captainkt on December 15, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
Hi zeitmaschine, where are you putting load in your captor circuit, across the spark or in series with the spark or somewhere else? Also I am not sure how long inverter will last with high voltage up against output, When I try to mix voltages in my circuits inverter blows.
Regards
Keith
Mine too - which my makes me think we're on to something, especially since my spark generator used little noticeable power to create. ps Are you any good at fixing blown inverters? I've at least half a dozen.
Maybe what is needed to avoid problems with the inverters, is to make your own step down transformer, connected too a full bridge rectifier, using the proper diodes, and some caps to filter it. Or repair and improve the inverters that you already have.
I can light a 25 watt bulb, here where is live, on just the one hot line from the grid, and outside earth ground. But, not a 100 watt bulb. A system that improves on that small source of power, and that could give more out than that, would be nice to know about.
Guys dont waste your time on Barbosa and Leal patent. This is no difference in Kapanadze patent, full of words but have no detailed instruction and diagram how to build their device. If they really want to share their device to the people, they will make an instructional video or tutorial how to make one. Although they patented this in my opinion it is not yet fully disclosed. They patented this for their own interest. What they really want is to spread to the world that they built this amazing invention to capture the attention of many investors and help them to mass produce their device then sell it to the public. They dont really like anyone to replicate their device because if anyone can replicate it, who will buy they their product. This is all about money and not helping people.
Quote from: NickZ on December 15, 2014, 08:17:48 PM
Maybe what is needed to avoid problems with the inverters, is to make your own step down transformer, connected too a full bridge rectifier, using the proper diodes, and some caps to filter it. Or repair and improve the inverters that you already have.
I can light a 25 watt bulb, here where is live, on just the one hot line from the grid, and outside earth ground. But, not a 100 watt bulb. A system that improves on that small source of power, and that could give more out than that, would be nice to know about.
I did this experiment and found I had to wait for the ionic ground pathway to be formed. It was weird, watching an incandescent light bulb flicker into life. After that I succeeded in powering a 2 kw kettle. The ground needs to be wet though. It was not free energy, and I found I was using half power. Weird. I suspect it is because the neutral is grounded in the UK so I was using half the wave.
Hello @ ElectricPirate and All,
Maybe this FULL INFO Kapanadze item might lift your spirits to keep looking for an answer - I know I am busy as a beaver experimenting on B & L.
whenever I get something worth showing I will show it. Cheers.
Clarence, thanks.
Quote from: Clarence on December 15, 2014, 11:35:16 PM
Hello @ ElectricPirate and All,
Maybe this FULL INFO Kapanadze item might lift your spirits to keep looking for an answer - I know I am busy as a beaver experimenting on B & L.
whenever I get something worth showing I will show it. Cheers.
Clarence, thanks.
That diagram is not 100% correct as this is only made by Jean Louis Naudin and not by Kapanadze.
This is the real Kapanadze patent and see how small information you can get http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Electromagnetic/Kapanadze/Kapanadze_Patent_WO_2008_103129_A1.pdf
Quote from: Clarence on December 10, 2014, 12:46:08 PM
Hello @ ALL
Whether this Forum covers the Barbosa and Leal device or not will NOT stop individuals from attempting to replicate their device.
It would seem more appropriate for the members to lead wisely to all potential replicators advising them of harmful methods and practices
as they become apparent to the gracious experienced and knowledgeable members of this forum.
As a recent member I made it a point to cover all posts from #1 to present and I did observe the many PAST warnings of quite a few valuable
experienced members who were certainly ON POINT!
It is my own personal thought that ANY replication attempts should NOT be tied to a Corporate Commercial Energy Grid system whatsoever!
The Barbosa and Leal system within their patents EVEN shows that it was intended to be a Battery - Inverter - Captor - Rectificator closed loop system
independent from other systems entirely!
my own replication effort has been thru a battery powered inverter system from the getgo and will remain that way. all IMHO.
thanks.
Clarence
Clarence
Clarence you have right , the base system work with DC and as i say in other posts the Barbosa patent only show Schematic concept like other inventors did.
People have to see the references in their patents to another inventors to understand how can possible capture electrons,and I can guarantee that it is possible but not like the Barbosa Schematic show.
About to ban this type of topic to be dangerous, seem at all naive to think that there are no serious risks associated with this type of circuits that are shown in this forum.
Everyone certainly are aware of this type of risk.
I could list more than 10 potentially dangerous topics that are currently discussed in this forum.
Thanks
@a.king21, I once powered my house for 6 months without neutral, used live to ground. My earth leakage trip neutral connection burnt out (loose terminal) so I was busy and did not have a new box or time to change it. Everything worked as normal including the meter readings.
PS. Large farmhouse and granny flat on the side both to a single phase 100 amp meter
PS. PS. I also have a dozen duff inverters
Regards
Keith
Quote from: NickZ on December 15, 2014, 08:17:48 PM
Maybe what is needed to avoid problems with the inverters, is to make your own step down transformer, connected too a full bridge rectifier, using the proper diodes, and some caps to filter it. Or repair and improve the inverters that you already have.
This setup will also create a plasma bolt in the spark gap. The inverter is completely isolated from the high voltage. It was my first setup. So it is a little bit overcomplicated.
I think i found the secret of Kapanadze.......
Quote from: ElectricPirate on December 16, 2014, 09:07:10 AM
I think i found the secret of Kapanadze.......
The power cord?
@ElectricPirate, interesting as I have heard it said that it is important to go from large diameter to small diameter with Tesla coils so the way the rod and tube is wired that is what is shown here, in Kapanadze device the thick copper earth wire could be acting as the rod, thank's
Keith
Quote from: MarkE on December 16, 2014, 09:23:04 AM
The power cord?
Yes, but how does Kapanadze get the power cord to the green box device in the garden and where is the supply located??
Hello @ ARIOVALDO
& ALL,
at the time of your excellent post of the Captor full info schematic with its beautiful and colored wiring details (magnificent job)
you stated that the toroid details were still under investigation. I was wondering if you have possibly had time to complete that
investigation and maybe what the wiring details were. hope I didn't accidentally miss it. thanks again!
Clarence
Quote from: Hoppy on December 16, 2014, 10:42:49 AM
Yes, but how does Kapanadze get the power cord to the green box device in the garden and where is the supply located??
When someone reproduces the claimed results without the wires being obvious then at least one method will be identified.
Quote from: MarkE on December 16, 2014, 02:20:42 PM
When someone reproduces the claimed results without the wires being obvious then at least one method will be identified.
Agreed but I don't see anyone bothering to do this and revealing the method, just to prove its easy to fake.
Hello ppl,
to some people in this forum all is fake ! :) It seems that the world joined to create circuits that serve only to deceive ... lol
How is it possible to do analysis as targeted enforcement just looking a circuit through a video? I would also like to rely on this divine power!
There is no room for doubt! Only half a dozen people who seem to know everything!
Without observing the behavior of a circuit directly and yet is liable to be misled, we can not be so sure that is fake or not, Furthermore experimentation is part of the learning process.
People were expected to Kapanadze show all the details?
He also with the majority seeks his comfort zone $ most people feel the same!
Nicolas Tesla also did not specify to detail their work, and therefore their work is so misunderstood. How could it be possible now that people have learned some of his concepts if not through the trial? YES WE NEED OBSERVE ! AND TRY ! and not let a formulated law can not be questioned and reformulated in favor of human good.There are no absolute truths!
I realize that people can defend points of view based on scientific facts, but history has shown us that these same acts has been revised at present, but that is part of the intellectual growth of man, learn from mistakes. The laws were made to be questioned and reformulated! After all we are human, and make mistakes when we try to do it the best!
I think it will be possible to say that even with the limited information that Kapanadze let out, most people in this forum along grew up and learned the expense of several attempts, and today ware 8 or 9 years after appear the first information I am sure that we all improve our knowledge or not?
And the cost of what ? experimentation! This is called-have a purpose !!!.
OVERUNITY ? Forget for now !
We do focus on increasing the efficiency of existing energy conversion methods, because the energy is free and available in various forms and is present everywhere. A house does not begin to build the roof!
We have not even completely mastered the phenomenon of electromagnetism the more the electrostatic and see people only worry with Overunity! ?
Have you ever thought why the science of areas such as electrostatic was never properly exploited?
For ... is not measurable, and collectible $ as conventional electricity ... maybe yes maybe not ?
to think of ... Tesla, Moray and others thought ....
I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and good :) tests for everyone!
Hello @ NelsonRochaa,
WELL SAID SIR!
it is as if you were reading my mind.
thank you again!
Clarence
knowledge was used to create radio without saying it can be used to fix more important problems
120 years of shame :-[
now they try to stop climate change with chemtrails
building on sand is looking for disaster always
There is no cord it may be real,its not obvious how it is faked ,if it is,the green box video.
The theory of a possible way is the big gauge wire ground cable,connected to the water pipe
is one side of a grid connection to a hard line skeptic thats enough.To me its not
enough is there an alternate explanation,rather than focus on how it powers up lights I focused on
the strange effects in the video,Tariel had trouble measuring the ac voltage across the lights,
the huge ground current is impossible unless its a fake.I posted this experiment before however
people simply go back to its a fake or its a Tesla invention,goes nowhere but in circles.In the experiment it was assumed
based on the video the output of the device is line frequency 50 HZ,220vac,fed thru a Tesla interface(coils,hv spark gap,ground)
the ac goes thru a coil thats surrounded by a larger coil connected to a spark gap,thats arcing,inducing pulses into the
coil outputting the ac,the ac is mixed with high level pulses,the source of the ac in the device is hidden.I used an isolation transformer as my ac source,I
fed this thru a Tesla interface(coils,spark gap,hv,ground), the ground went to an outside water pipe,the output ac was connected to a 71 watt incandescent light.
I used a clampmeter made by the same company that made Tariels cheap clampmeter,sold at harbor freight in the US.When I attempted to
measure the ac voltage across the light,I got the same effect as in the video,when I measured the ground current
I got a huge ground current reading,when a different clampmeter was used I got zero.Based on this I believe Tariel uses this to fake out
people to make them believe its a Tesla invention.
There is an unknown factor in this video, that is the wattage of the lights,the claim is there a 1,000 watts,seems much too high to me
I live in the US and don't know about what wattage bulbs they sell in Georgia.
There also wasn't enough time running to rule out batteries,and exact lamp wattage is not known.As for how he looped the device
all consistent , it will work if real,also if fake.
This video and 2004 video are useless because its whats hidden thats the secret, Tariel told a.king21 theres one component
that he makes thats needed to make this work.Tariels device to me is a low tech device,with a hidden active component, its presented as a Tesla invention
rediscovery,in my opinion it has nothing to do with Tesla its a smoke screen to throw people off.In the pictures
the clampmeter shows a phantom reading,this creates the illusion its a heavy ground current
,it creates a strong belief,to the hard line skeptic, its an obvious fake,a hidden grid wire ,to the believer its a Tesla invention.
On the looping,my battery that I use for experiments went bad, so I supplied the energy by a 12 volt dc supply,the point was that
it is looped like in both the 2004 video and green box video,Tariel did a measurement from the battery to the inverter,I also did that,but didn't record it as this
experiment was not done for public viewing only to test possibilities.
Quote from: cheappower2012 on December 17, 2014, 05:54:10 PM
There is no cord it may be real,its not obvious how it is faked ,if it is,the green box video.
The theory of a possible way is the big gauge wire ground cable,connected to the water pipe
is one side of a grid connection to a hard line skeptic thats enough.To me its not
enough is there an alternate explanation,rather than focus on how it powers up lights I focused on
the strange effects in the video,Tariel had trouble measuring the ac voltage across the lights,
the huge ground current is impossible unless its a fake.I posted this experiment before however
people simply go back to its a fake or its a Tesla invention,goes nowhere but in circles.In the experiment it was assumed
based on the video the output of the device is line frequency 50 HZ,220vac,fed thru a Tesla interface(coils,hv spark gap,ground)
the ac goes thru a coil thats surrounded by a larger coil connected to a spark gap,thats arcing,inducing pulses into the
coil outputting the ac,the ac is mixed with high level pulses,the source of the ac in the device is hidden.I used an isolation transformer as my ac source,I
fed this thru a Tesla interface(coils,spark gap,hv,ground), the ground went to an outside water pipe,the output ac was connected to a 71 watt incandescent light.
I used a clampmeter made by the same company that made Tariels cheap clampmeter,sold at harbor freight in the US.When I attempted to
measure the ac voltage across the light,I got the same effect as in the video,when I measured the ground current
I got a huge ground current reading,when a different clampmeter was used I got zero.Based on this I believe Tariel uses this to fake out
people to make them believe its a Tesla invention.
There is an unknown factor in this video, that is the wattage of the lights,the claim is there a 1,000 watts,seems much too high to me
I live in the US and don't know about what wattage bulbs they sell in Georgia.
There also wasn't enough time running to rule out batteries,and exact lamp wattage is not known.As for how he looped the device
all consistent , it will work if real,also if fake.
This video and 2004 video are useless because its whats hidden thats the secret, Tariel told a.king21 theres one component
that he makes thats needed to make this work.Tariels device to me is a low tech device,with a hidden active component, its presented as a Tesla invention
rediscovery,in my opinion it has nothing to do with Tesla its a smoke screen to throw people off.In the pictures
the clampmeter shows a phantom reading,this creates the illusion its a heavy ground current
,it creates a strong belief,to the hard line skeptic, its an obvious fake,a hidden grid wire ,to the believer its a Tesla invention.
On the looping,my battery that I use for experiments went bad, so I supplied the energy by a 12 volt dc supply,the point was that
it is looped like in both the 2004 video and green box video,Tariel did a measurement from the battery to the inverter,I also did that,but didn't record it as this
experiment was not done for public viewing only to test possibilities.
Yes, we do round in circles but although you did not show a video of your experiment, I think your results show that its more than likely that TK was passing current through the earth wire and grounding at the water pipe. Watsup was the first to point out the strange demeanour of the bearded man clutching the coil of cable throughout the green box video and even described how the power supply was probably connected to the coil. I've not seen a more plausible explanation and certainly nothing that gets anywhere close to convincing me that his device was a genuine self-runner. I guess that's how things will remain.
Hello @ ALL
am waiting on materials to revise my OFF GRID battery - inverter- captor - rectificator B & L system.
while waiting I need to perfect my inverter neutral grounding system to a WORKING ground system.
Since the Utility Company Energy grid systems in most all countries DO ground their so called neutral leg to earth
at their origin Generating site, It is also necessary for me to ground my inverter system to a totally separate earth
ground grid system of my own to be independent from their site. I already KNOW that my ground system has to be
a satisfactory distance AWAY from my mains system so as NOT to be directly influenced by it. you will notice I said DIRECTLY!
the earth is actually a pool resource for Many types of entities, oh well.
my inverter ground rod will be physically separate from my Captor ground rods, just as Mains grounding is distanced
from its generating site.
I want my results to rise or fall on their own merits so as not to have to keep correcting errors in order to get some good results.
just info to say where I am heading.
as they become available I will post the good results. I wont waste your time with any bad results.
Cheers!
Clarence
hello friends
in this video I wanted to show the first curious experience I discovered when trying to
Barbosa replicate the system and Leal
I have noticed that placing a driver shorted outside the nucleus of a
microwave transformer, the intensity in the non-power transformer
increased the least.
SIN intensity Loopback is 2.27 amperes
intensity WITH shorted loop is the same 2.27 amperes
as you can see in the video I was putting different conductors shorted and
different sections, neither increase nor input amperage in the neutral or
either in phase
All amperage increase to 147 amperes
I think the voltage of each driver must be at zero volts when in
short, so if we calculate the volts by amps we Watts
0 x 147 = 0 watts. the funny thing is that we have a current of 147 amperes
I remember Don Smith said the voltage came out cheaper, after this
experiment could say that the current also has good price, lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDH7s3IMTtE
to Hoppy
I know wattsup real well, I was in a tpu thread for years with him, he has a tendency
if he can't figure out some device,he calls it a fraud,and thinks up a way to explain it,as a fake.
In the past he would enlarge pictures of tpu's and explain things from fuzzy pictures,the other members would tell him
your seeing more than there is.
The point of the experiment was to see if there is another explanation for the clampmeters high current reading
if you stop the hv arcing the reading drops to zero,this was not recorded ,its a defect in the circuitry of this particular clampmeter
and Tariels clampmeter.
its very clear that high level pulses are induced into the coil carrying the ac in the greenbox video this
causes a digital voltmeter to cycle its reading and it will effect the clampmeters ground current reading ,creating a false current reading.
I believe Tariel is aware of this and uses this in hes show to make people believe its a Tesla invention.As I told you before
this video(greenbox) and 2004 video are useless
to figure out anything,theres also no information of the exact wattage of the lights used.
This experiment was not to show its a self runner,there is too little information for that,he could have done the demo with hidden batteries.
If there was no strangeness with the clampmeter then wattsup's explanation would be valid, however there is,so its unlikely a hidden grid connection
is how its done in my opinion,it could be hidden batteries.Most of the other devices Tariel made are useless to help in figuring out how they work if real, with the exception of the aquarium 2,the green transformer in combination with the blue coil form a special circuit and there are other details missed,I believe it holds the answer to all hes devices operation and construction.This is the direction of my investigations,I have got a few of the green type of transformers from Russia,they were extensively used from 1970's to 1980's,very different construction from the standard ones used in the US.
A certain amount of people will believe its real,a certain amount of people will believe its fake.
@ismael_34, thanks for info from UK, Merry Christmas. I will get experimenting.
Regards
Keith
Cheappower2012:
Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9O3vCg_Q4
Quote from: a.king21 on December 19, 2014, 10:35:03 AM
Cheappower2012:
Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9O3vCg_Q4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9O3vCg_Q4)
And then look up Thane Heins and Melnichenko. It could be the answer.
captainkt ;)
equally friend happy Holidays for you and your family
Greetings from Spain ;)
To a.king21
I seen the video,looks possibly correct,on Thane Heins
when I originally came to overunity.com,I replicated the thane device exactly
it is not overunity,but interesting,learned of it from the peakoil.com web site they carry all sorts of stories
related to oil and sometimes free energy.On Melnichenko this guy is super rich,I don't know on hes device,however
when a device differs from a certain direction I'm suspicious of it or if it employs high frequencies,Tariel's devices use low frequency,line frequency,
this uses much higher frequencies.Tariels devices generate massive amounts energy,so it may be real or maybe fake,no in betweens,when a device generates a small
apparent increase over unity,it always turns out to be a mistake in measurements,I have seen at least a hundred cases of this.
When you set the conditions on the aquarium 2 device's construction,it forced to Tariel to design a device in a different way
than past devices.When I asked if you had a HR picture taken of the green transformer from directly above it,here is the reason.There are tiny wires added by Tariel
on the green transformer they perform an important of the devices operation,In the other device's Tariel has made
the feed back to self run is done thru one active device this also powers the load, in this one 2 are employed,this may have been done to power the 2kw load
with only one by its self due to the power level needed to light the heater,and use the other for feedback looping ,it maybe because of conditions you specified.
Heres a picture, keep in mine this is a speculation or guess,however this is the first step to figure out how this device works or if its fake.
Pay attention to where one wire appears to connect to the part of the transformer where the blue wire connects,thats the transformer winding,its 78 ohms,
If its fake its a very strange fake.
Cheappower2012: Thanks for your input, I will check my files to see If there's more detail on the green trafo.
I would like to point out however that Tariel uses very high frequency in his devices.
The only way I think he could have faked it is if he used Tesla's transmission of energy patents and applied them to a scaled down version.
Tesla also recommended high frequencies.
Meanwhile Naudin claims a successful replication of Thane Heins here: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE03en.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE03en.htm)
I must admit this device looks a bit like one of Figuera's coil systems.
@all, some wires must be there to confuse as on the left side of green trafo all 3 coils are strapped with red wires and strapped again with white wire.
Regards
Keith
Quote from: cheappower2012 on December 20, 2014, 05:21:34 AM
There are tiny wires added by Tariel on the green transformer they perform an important of the devices operation,In the other device's Tariel has made
the feed back to self run is done thru one active device this also powers the load, in this one 2 are employed,this may have been done to power the 2kw load
with only one by its self due to the power level needed to light the heater,and use the other for feedback looping ,it maybe because of conditions you specified.
Heres a picture, keep in mine this is a speculation or guess,however this is the first step to figure out how this device works or if its fake.
Pay attention to where one wire appears to connect to the part of the transformer where the blue wire connects,thats the transformer winding,its 78 ohms,
If its fake its a very strange fake.
Its certainly very strange even if its not a fake. Its bold of you to suggest that these thin black wires are there to perform an important function, when we don't even have a shot to show if they go anywhere, other than just stuck onto the casing to act as decoys. The whole think looks more like a joke to me!
If we fiddle around a bit with Frolov's (http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/145171/) Avramenko plug illustration, then what do we have? A source of potential changes (a HV coil) with two Avramenko plugs, one on each side, one acting as antenna for the other? Hmmm ...
So this results in having four diodes. Four diodes makes one diode bridge. A diode bridge generates pulsed DC out twice the frequency of the AC in. The modulation frequency of a parametrically excited oscillation should be twice its natural frequency. Hmmm ...
Just considering ...
To Hoppy
If I got into how exactly I believe Tariels device works
it would be too much,far too crazy.I have a crude model of the operation of the device on how the overunity effect
is created,which I'm refining,it does work,it explains other devices Tariel has made,its going
to be used as a guide in replicating a simple version.Keep in mind its not a free energy device,
but an energy converter,a solar panel is an energy converter,it converts light energy into
electrical energy,the difference in this device is
the energy source is unknown, the energy density is much greater,how the conversion to electrical
energy is done is very different.
I have built a hardware model of 2 of the transformer sections,its a depiction of the operation of this device,
the electrical operation only,it works,its easy to simulate,not so easy to figure out,this sets
some conditions the device needs to operate,I will try to post a more advance model sometime in the near future simulating
all sections with details why and how.
You have to keep in mind there are two things here ,one is the electrical construction of the device,second the
process creating the overunity effect.You are correct a top view of the transformer is needed,however one may not exist so I have to guess where
the wires connect based on the simulation and other information I have.The present goal is to
gather enough information to attempt a replication of a
simple version of the device, there is no construction information about Tariels device to replicate anything,the construction
information here ,comes from members trying to replicate other peoples devices that claim they figured out Tariels secret,totally crazy and silly.The members here attempting to replicate these fake devices are not silly or crazy,its the people that made the claim that they were real that are.
Tariel does not want any one to figure this out,hes aware
that people will simply steal it and claim they invented it,under the delusion they will make
a billion dollars.There are a few hard line skeptics in here that have no moral compass and
would steal the information to profit from instantly if they could.
Its a very low tech device,
you simply can't sell it,patent it or make money from it,Tariel is fully aware of this.
I know your highly skeptical and you should be given the vast number of phony devices
that keep coming up.At one time I believed Tariel was simply a conman pushing a fake device
I still believe hes a conman of sorts,but I believe hes devices could be real
and its very important to investigate hes devices.
there is nothing magical about this methods
explained many times by Tesla
by Tom Bearden
by Tito here on forums
you take a capacitor charge and discharge that's all
look at Bearden degenerative semiconductor circuit picture, replace it with low esr electrolytic capacitor and that's your device
however the engeneering job, experience in building , adjusting, fixing, controlling output voltage, current, protecting from overload , from overcurrent ,from overvoltage,from broken parts (it can explode capacitors for example) is precious ! I really don't understand Georgia people. Give Tariel comfortable life and future for his family and him teach you and will be fine. You have so incredible talented person there and what you did !? that's the greedy world
Quote from: cheappower2012 on December 21, 2014, 06:11:51 AM
To Hoppy
If I got into how exactly I believe Tariels device works
it would be too much,far too crazy.I have a crude model of the operation of the device on how the overunity effect
is created,which I'm refining,it does work,it explains other devices Tariel has made,its going
to be used as a guide in replicating a simple version.Keep in mind its not a free energy device,
but an energy converter,a solar panel is an energy converter,it converts light energy into
electrical energy,the difference in this device is
the energy source is unknown, the energy density is much greater,how the conversion to electrical
energy is done is very different.
Cheappower, thanks for your added comments.
I will hazard a wild guess based on what a.king21 told us about TK's device operating at very a high frequency and high voltage, that it may be possible that he discovered a way to illuminate the lamps using a plasma effect created by high voltage and high frequency, making the lamps look bright at a relatively low energy level derived from batteries and an inverter. This being much the same as compact flouro lamps give high light output at low power consumption. I suggest this is only applicable to the box devices because I firmly believe that the Aqua2 device was faked because TK had to build with conditions set by a.king21 and could not have powered a 2KW fire with the method I'm guessing he used for his box devices. This would render the box devices as virtually useless for commercial production. Anyway, whatever method he used, probably did not rely on energy derived directly from the grid, for the valid reasoning you gave in an earlier post, so a battery operated device would be more likely, albeit offer no real interest commercially. More information on the type of lamps used would be of help here. I have found that halogen lamps can be driven effectively at HV / HF.
What I think we can be reasonably sure of, is that as you suggest, an energy conversion applies here and that the source energy level is considerable and very likely not free.
If we want to measure the amperes of pulsed DC (e.g. output of a diode bridge) then should the clamp meter be set to AC or to DC? Hmmm ...
Hello everyone.
Concerning this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qsnEchKlc8&index=13&list=PL86OtVC_1KJHeRn0zvSfnNrtOOh02zOYD
look closely at the connections on the output of the PWM and what is passing in the ampmeter ... ::)
Sorry for the translation !
best regards.
Hoppy: I once teased Tariel that his device used high voltage and high frequency. His reply was that he agreed with me regarding the high frequency but NOT the high voltage.
Upon investigating his devices I think he was telling the truth. I am becoming more and more convinced that any sparks was and is eye candy designed to throw us off. If he had used high voltage in the aquarium2 my team would have surely sensed it in the earth braid, which was uninsulated. High voltage also may have interfered with their mobile phones. There was no interference at all.
When the earth lead was disconnected there were no sparks either. The highest voltage the device goes to is in over voltage protection and that is probably in the 1 kv range. In my experiments with spike back emf I noticed that the higher the frequency, the lower the voltage.
In the 2004 video, the spark gap could have been produced with something like European mains voltages ie no higher than say 350 volts at peak.
I asked a Georgian friend about the type of lamps in use in Georgia. The were at that time mostly old Soviet incandescent lamps rated at 1 kw. I was surprised at that, but I was assured that they are quite common in that part of the world.
The highest in the UK were 150 watt lamps.
To a.king21
Good going on the light bulbs,this sets the power generated by the 2004 and green box devices.
I believe you on the bulbs,they must have a lot of fires caused by this of type bulb,they must get very hot.
Heres a question on the aquarium 2,video,in most Kapanadze video's,it shows the start up of the device.
In the aquarium 2, the video is started after it turns on,there appears to be 2 push button type of switches
and another switch possibly a turn on/off switch.What sequence is the starting.I believe he uses
two of the 12vac windings on the transformer to start.One way would be the the son/off switch is turned to on,and the push buttons
are pushed at the same time,until it starts.Also is there any HR pictures with a side view of the transformer
this would show if he glued the small wires or drilled a small hole or slipped them under the frame of the top.
Quote from: a.king21 on December 21, 2014, 03:01:42 PM
I asked a Georgian friend about the type of lamps in use in Georgia. The were at that time mostly old Soviet incandescent lamps rated at 1 kw. I was surprised at that, but I was assured that they are quite common in that part of the world.
The highest in the UK were 150 watt lamps.
Thanks for this info which I think rules out my wild guess that the lamps a bit special.
Quote from: cheappower2012 on December 21, 2014, 06:06:33 PM
To a.king21
Good going on the light bulbs,this sets the power generated by the 2004 and green box devices.
I believe you on the bulbs,they must have a lot of fires caused by this of type bulb,they must get very hot.
Heres a question on the aquarium 2,video,in most Kapanadze video's,it shows the start up of the device.
In the aquarium 2, the video is started after it turns on,there appears to be 2 push button type of switches
and another switch possibly a turn on/off switch.What sequence is the starting.I believe he uses
two of the 12vac windings on the transformer to start.One way would be the the son/off switch is turned to on,and the push buttons
are pushed at the same time,until it starts.Also is there any HR pictures with a side view of the transformer
this would show if he glued the small wires or drilled a small hole or slipped them under the frame of the top.
The device was started with a 9 volt pp3 type battery. He simply touched it onto the terminals and then the device started.
I've had a look at those black "wires" and conclude that they are the result of poor manufacturing, and could well be shadows.
I'll see if I've a side view.
My gut is that TK uses a BITT type of device at high frequency to deliver the output. Even if he was wiring in (cheating) I cannot account for the lack of heat or lack of ventilation holes to deliver 2 kw for 4 and a half hours without a break.
We have to be scientific here and figure out the size of trafo you need.
My understanding is that the size of trafo is dependant on the frequency. ie 50 hz equals European standards, but you can power a resistive load at any frequency provided you have the watts. A high frequency would therefore lower the size of the trafo you need.
This "proves" what Tariel said to me to be correct ie that his device uses high frequency and not high voltage.
When the team looked at his device at the end there was no heating on the aquarium 2 box whatsoever.
It was really spooky, if you think about it.
Quote from: a.king21 on December 22, 2014, 07:19:16 AM
My understanding is that the size of trafo is dependant on the frequency. ie 50 hz equals European standards, but you can power a resistive load at any frequency provided you have the watts. A high frequency would therefore lower the size of the trafo you need.
This "proves" what Tariel said to me to be correct ie that his device uses high frequency and not high voltage.
When the team looked at his device at the end there was no heating on the aquarium 2 box whatsoever.
It was really spooky, if you think about it.
The green coloured 3-phase trafo shown has an iron core, so would not work efficiently at very high frequencies as its designed for grid frequency working. High frequency transformers of the type used in switched-mode power supplies have ferrite cores. The size is not the governing factor, its the core material. Having said that, TK may have discovered or been told about a way of using this 3-phase transformer in an unconventional way.
Quote from: Hoppy on December 22, 2014, 07:41:38 AM
The green coloured 3-phase trafo shown has an iron core, so would not work efficiently at very high frequencies as its designed for grid frequency working. High frequency transformers of the type used in switched-mode power supplies have ferrite cores. The size is not the governing factor, its the core material. Having said that, TK may have discovered or been told about a way of using this 3-phase transformer in an unconventional way.
Agreed. It's the lack of heat from the aquarium 2 that is puzzling. I think it's a big clue.
Quote from: a.king21 on December 22, 2014, 07:47:16 AM
Agreed. It's the lack of heat from the aquarium 2 that is puzzling. I think it's a big clue.
I'm not sure whether the following question has already been answered: Did the investigating team clamp meter the braided earth wire and if so what reading did they get?
Quote from: Hoppy on December 22, 2014, 07:58:52 AM
I'm not sure whether the following question has already been answered: Did the investigating team clamp meter the braided earth wire and if so what reading did they get?
No readings were taken.
Quote from: a.king21 on December 22, 2014, 10:57:24 AM
No readings were taken.
Thanks for your reply.
This is a very interesting link just posted on the Dally thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSadMqEnO7I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSadMqEnO7I)
Might make some sense of the use of a 3-phase transformer.
Here the one and only three-phase capacitor is hard-wired in delta-formation. So there is not too much choice in the method of connection. All three secondaries of the transformer next to it are open (N/C) but configured in star-formation. Hence there is a certain chance that the three connected primaries are also in star-formation. That leads to the wiring assumption below.
Now connect the remaining transformer (two cable lugs here are also N/C) and maybe a few diodes (Avramenko plugs) to that arrangement.
Quote from: a.king21 on December 22, 2014, 10:57:24 AM
No readings were taken.
That's jogged my memory as I think you said way back that TK would not allow your team to take measurements. Its a pity but quite understandable because a clamp reading along the
entire length of the braided earth lead would have likely revealed a lot about how the device was operating. In consequence, we are left to endlessly speculate.
Quote from: Hoppy on December 23, 2014, 03:21:20 AM
That's jogged my memory as I think you said way back that TK would not allow your team to take measurements. Its a pity but quite understandable because a clamp reading along the entire length of the braided earth lead would have likely revealed a lot about how the device was operating. In consequence, we are left to endlessly speculate.
The "not allowing measurements" bit related to the second device we commissioned. This was either 10 kw or 20 kw I cannot remember which. (I did not specify it, which is a pity). Anyway the team turned up with a heap of state of the art technology which spooked Tariel.
Quote from: a.king21 on December 23, 2014, 08:15:39 AM
Anyway the team turned up with a heap of state of the art technology which spooked Tariel.
Not surprised! I doubt he had ever used anything like it but its interesting to wonder why he would not even allow a clamp meter which does not even involve breaking into a circuit. After all, he had no problem allowing one to be used on the green box device setup. Maybe there was no electric field strong enough to interfere with an accurate reading taken off the earth cable. ;D
Quote from: Hoppy on December 23, 2014, 12:48:14 PM
Not surprised! I doubt he had ever used anything like it but its interesting to wonder why he would not even allow a clamp meter which does not even involve breaking into a circuit.
Because the Aquarium II braid is not a braided earth lead but an antenna.
Now guess what: According to my tests with some Avramenko plugs, a plug collects more energy when the antenna is made of braid not ordinary wire of the same length. Don't know why. Investigating ...
So that seems to be the reason why Kapanadze needed coaxial cable: to strip and use the braid. Having the same problem currently.
Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 23, 2014, 09:50:10 PM
Because the Aquarium II braid is not a braided earth lead but an antenna.
Now guess what: According to my tests with some Avramenko plugs, a plug collects more energy when the antenna is made of braid not ordinary wire of the same length. Don't know why. Investigating ...
So that seems to be the reason why Kapanadze needed coaxial cable: to strip and use the braid. Having the same problem currently.
I doubt that TK used the braid off the coax-cable. Looks too intact. He probably used a tubular braid supplied in rolls.
Yes, I suppose it could be an antenna connected to a powerful radio TX. ;D
Merry Xmas
Clarence:
@ ALL,
just some GOOD news about my B&L replication. I decided awhile back to use the 00 diagram from our site
since it MOST agreed with the patent specs and info and also information from Utopia Now on his Prezi site.
after implementing the 00 diagram in my build I did encounter several problems with the diagram that kept
it from working. after several days of thought and testing I was finally able to get the complete build working!
AND it DOES work JUST like B&L said it would !!!!!
Before I send any photos of it working (I dont and wont have any YOU TUBE videos - not my bag! all I do is photos!)
I have two small issues to tweak on the Ground Grid System. YES I said ground grid SYSTEM! which is the same thing
B&L said and PJK said in his explanation of their device on his site. fortunate for myself I REMEMBERD those words.
I have attached the corrected version of the 00 diagram (BTW many and great THANKS to him- he deserves it for all
of his help and efforts!) as it shows EXACTLY how I constructed that part of the working device.
just brief info of items in the build:
a Tripp Litte P-15 (rectificator) power supply 13.8V
4 ea 7AH 12v F1 batt as a battery bank
an AIMS 1000Wconstant/2000Wsurge inverter ( going to change to 2000W like B&L used)
2 ea 300D Toroid 120V-2A Primary ONLY (winding covers only 160 degrees area of toroid)
2 ea #4 AWG self wound coils on toroid as secondary (joined correctly as CAPTOR loop)
3 ea 1/2 inch copper ground rods
2 ea 50 ft rolls #6AWG ground wire
22 ft #2 AWG (household insulated stranded) for ground wire
50 ft #10 AWG tinned stranded for circuits and batt harness etc.
a few large sheilded terminal strips for circuit connections
4 ea #4 split bolt connectors
I tested so far with a 250 watt - 8.3 amp red heat lamp. plus it operated the rectificator and
the system batt array at a constant 12.4 v plus the Invertor and toroids of the Captor loop.
as long as the batt array was kept in the closed circuit the system DID maintain itself,
however when I switched the battery array out of the system the system did die. so far it is
not a self runner. I believe I know how to cure that, but that will part of my tweaks I will be
making.
cheers to all,
Clarence
By The Way: just click on the jpg shown and you can see a smaller view of the attachment.
I just had to correct the attachment points from the input toriod to the output toriod - the
#4 AWG wires cannot cross from one side of the toroid to other side of the next toriod.
sorry for the missdrawing! you can get dizzy just looking!
sorry all!
Hello Clarence!
I have a few questions if you could please answer:
1: do you mean you are running the setup isolated from the power grid, only on batteries?
2: is your system looped - batteries -> inverter -> 2 toroids and ground system -> power supply -> back to batteries?
3: what kind are those batteries VRLA?
4: for how long did you run the setup?
5: did you measure the voltage at the 250Wred heat lamp?
6: how big are your torroids?
7: could you please make a better scheme as I can't figure out where (and how) the load is connected, and the power supply also...
Sorry for so many questions, I just want to get it right (along with all the others on the forum) hopefully you will have the time to answer.
Can't wait for the pictures!
Wish you good luck and happy experimenting!
Clarence:
Hello madddann,
I will answer your questions by your numbers:
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. PowerSonic PS1270 12volt 7Amp hour - sealed lead acid, from E-Bay.
4. 1 hr.
5. Input voltage to the system from the inverter was 116.2 but the voltage back
from the Ground Grid was lower at 90 + volts which is why my system is down right now
so I can tweak the input wire size to the Ground System to match the return wire size of #6 AWG.
I had used a #10 wire size on the input which I believe caused a resistive difference and caused
the difference in voltage. I intend to do whatever it takes to overcome the difference.
However it did not really dim the light as far as I could tell nor the heat - was hot as hell and
could not be touched.
also the lower voltage did not affect the operation of the rectificator (power supply) as far as I could tell.
6. the toroids were termed 300D by the supplier. OD = 4 1/2", ID = 2 1/2", H = 1 1/2".
7. When I send the photos after tweaking you can see exactly how the system is wired and you
can easily draw your own schematic - its very plain to see.
As I said before this system has NOTHING to do with a Commercial Utility Grid at all. It is totally
separate unto itself.
cheers,
Clarence
Clarence:
Hello @ ALL,
before I can send photos of my replication I need to KNOW how to send the photos on this site
so that they don't show up as the Giant monsters like in my previous B&L 00 diagram posting.why is the page so wide on this site also?
thanks.
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on January 08, 2015, 07:07:41 AM
Clarence:
Hello @ ALL,
before I can send photos of my replication I need to KNOW how to send the photos on this site
so that they don't show up as the Giant monsters like in my previous B&L 00 diagram posting.why is the page so wide on this site also?
thanks.
Clarence
Import your photos into windows paint. Remove any borders and save as a jpeg. Then you can attach these photos and upload them to this site.
You can also alter the size of the photos in windows paint if necessary. Try to keep the photos less than 200k.
You can check your new photos in windows photo gallery. If they look OK there then they will be fine on this site.
Good luck.
Clarence:
Hello a.king21,
thanks greatly for your kind info.
I will do as suggested.
Thanks again!
Clarence
Clarence:
Hello madddann & All, this is an attempt at getting a photo copy thru as an
attachment. parts have not come in to finish tweaking my B&L build so in the meantime
I thought I would try to get a photo thru without the unit in operation anyway.
LOL hopefuly.
Clarence
AGAIN: Just click on the JPG number and it will download a smaller picture you can look at also.
I should show up for you to click to open on the bottom left of you computer screen. LOL
Downsized file. Open in paint, click on image, change to 25% vertical and 25% horizontal then do a save.
Wow! It looks so much like Don Smith pictures from old times :o
Clarence:
Hello @ a.king21,
thanks again! I did like you said before but everytime I tried something in paint it just wound up screwed up.
my actual real photos are in my (which are really nice) are in my Windows live Photo Gallery but I couldn't
find a way to extract them from there as an attachment to ANY site so I just gave up and printed a COPY
which is what you see and saved that to my desktop and sent that to get on with it!
now if I can extract my real photos from Windows live Photo Gallery to paint I will do the 25% thing and save
as you say and post the other views.
Hopefully!
Clarence
Clarence:
Hello @ All, just a test to see if this actual photo shows up correctly
LOL!
Clarence
HOORAY NOW I know how to send the rest of photos later!!!
Clarence:
@ALL
Just another try at another actual photo.
LOL
Clarence
Hi Clarence!
That's really a nice clean setup.
That green twisted wire at the inverter output is just the inverter's grounding cut off right?
I have no more questions :D
I just wish you luck with your tweaks!
Clarence, Nice work! PM sent. For anyone having issues on the occasional 'too wide' pictures that show up in threads I suggest you get Opera Browser in the older version 12.17 or there abouts. Install, click on small triangle in the lower right corner of the browser and when the little menu pops up click "Fit to Width" - DONE! It all fits on your screen without making the text smaller and wraps all the text that went off screen so it fits nicely on your page along with the picture being resized down to fit your screen.
A high efficiency inverter may be of help in this setup for tweaking the best out of it. The Trace / Xantrex I've got is spec'd at 96% efficient and from some results I've seen with it over the years may be even better than that.
On looking at the claimed specs for the AIMS inverter I see it's not bad if it achieves what it claims. One I looked at (not sure if it's the same used here ) 1000 watt Aims has 95% efficiency at 1/3 load but only 90% at full load. Not too bad but I'll bet a Trace inverter will be higher.
Quote from: madddann on January 11, 2015, 06:14:03 PM
Hi Clarence!
That's really a nice clean setup.
That green twisted wire at the inverter output is just the inverter's grounding cut off right?
I have no more questions :D
I just wish you luck with your tweaks!
Clarence:
Hello madddann,
You are correct sir - later I will re-learn haw to safety ground my inverter APART from my replication GROUND GRID SYSTEM.
thanks.
Clarence
Clarence: Which country do you live in?
Have you done any more tests with your setup, and if so what are the results?
Quote from: a.king21 on January 12, 2015, 10:00:19 AM
Clarence: Which country do you live in?
Have you done any more tests with your setup, and if so what are the results?
Hello a.king21,
I live in USA. my larger # 6AWG ground wire hasnt come in yet - probably by Jan 14th, so I
havn't done any more testing yet. maybe more testing by end of this week. rest assured
I will post results. I'm as anxious as everyone else!
thanks to all!
BTW: I have built the single toroid Captor unit and just ran it by batt-invertor-toroid at idle only
and it uses .41amps on the toroid at 34 watts at 116.2 volts from the inverter. on the #4AWG captor
4 ea windings (only one winding passes through the toroid center) the clamp meter amp measure
initially shows 126.9 but after about 5 minutes settles down to 115+ amps. was running a little warm
so I tried something I remembered from my past observations of this past many months!
I knew the "Gravel" Alvarado talked about was actually Quartz crystal fragments and I had obtained some
so I set the built unit in a clear large Glad type container and covered it completely with the quartz
fragments. the temperature on the windings cooled down. I guess it works as a convienient heat sink.
I know that ORGONE followers use the crystals to thwart the presence of unwanted EMF s to help negate them
LOL for now.
Clarence
Clarence: Great info and looking forward to your progress. By any chance are you from the Upper Midwest of The USA?
Quote from: a.king21 on January 12, 2015, 02:48:46 PM
Clarence: Great info and looking forward to your progress. By any chance are you from the Upper Midwest of The USA?
Hello a.king21,
Clarence:
No - I am an old 77yr white bearded Coon Ass from Iowa, Louisiana! HA HA.
BTW: I just had to cancel my ground wire order - they were out of stock and wouln't have any for 2 to 3 wks so I canceled
and found some Green #6 AWG at PacerGroup Wire Co. out of Florida- should be here by end of week. thats life!
Thanks!
Clarence
Hi Clarence, your doing a great job, any link to get schematics and or a part list ? Best regards, Gery ;) http://tesletic.com/
Here is a schematic that you can mark up and I shall then correct so that we can all properly archive your fine work.
My focus is on the Gray technology, however I find some very interesting correlations with the B & L circuit. These are:
1. A "Captor Loop" configuration
2. A source of mobile charge carriers (Gray's team used batteries)
3. Two independant opposing taps from seperate transformers driven in parallel
4. High COP at high power densities (This was verified at Cal-Tech for Gray's circuit)
5 Very similiar kinds of components (However Gray did employ a spark gap)
Gray's team used higher voltages and were working in pulse mode
Spokane1
jpg version of the same circuit
Quote from: Spokane1 on January 12, 2015, 04:48:28 PM
Here is a schematic that you can mark up and I shall then correct so that we can all properly archive your fine work.
My focus is on the Gray technology, however I find some very interesting correlations with the B & L circuit. These are:
1. A "Captor Loop" configuration
2. A source of mobile charge carriers (Gray's team used batteries)
3. Two independant opposing taps from seperate transformers driven in parallel
4. High COP at high power densities (This was verified at Cal-Tech for Gray's circuit)
5 Very similiar kinds of components (However Gray did employ a spark gap)
Gray's team used higher voltages and were working in pulse mode
Spokane1
Clarence:
Hello Spokane1,
You did excellent! Go for it! by the time you get through with your build you will have an outlay of
approx a 1000.00 usd. I am using the 1000 watt Aims inverter now but I am going to replace it with an
Xantrex 2000 watt inverter because thats the size B&L themselves used in their 6000 watt demo and they
also used a BOSCH S4 12vbattry! I used 4 0f the 12v 7AH batt because for the time being it was cheaper
and LIGHTER! the Bosch batt weighs about 40 lb! but it is definitely a high AH unit. good luck and cheers!
Clarence
STAR SISTEMA TRANSFORMADOR DE AMPLIFICACION RESONANTE HIBRIDOR ! Has anybody tried this one !? It looks a bit crappy setup but never the less it is working !
http://youtu.be/E0bOK7ChwbQ (http://youtu.be/E0bOK7ChwbQ)
Clarence: I checked the power system for Iowa Lousiana and it appears to be a conventional 3 wire system which is encouraging.
In other parts of the USA they use SWER, which is discouraging for obvious reasons.
I think you should repeat your experiments to ensure consistency, if possible.
Great work so far.
Quote from: a.king21 on January 12, 2015, 06:34:54 PM
Clarence: I checked the power system for Iowa Lousiana and it appears to be a conventional 3 wire system which is encouraging.
In other parts of the USA they use SWER, which is discouraging for obvious reasons.
I think you should repeat your experiments to ensure consistency, if possible.
Great work so far.
Clarence:
Hello a.king21,
Yes I know my rural residential mains system is not SWER. Also working with grounded systems
on this 64 acre cattle farm I manage for my son and daughter in law speaking with respect to fence
hot wire systems which will power up to 50 miles of fence hot wire - their explicit systems TELL YOU
not to ground ANY hotwire system CLOSER THAN 20 ft to ANY MAINS ground rod as it would be
possible to pickup the mains voltage with its higher amperage and add to the 10,000v @ 0.020amp
fence charger circuit and KILL the live stock that came in touch with the fence hot wire! having that
knowledge before hand I knew that I had to keep my Inverter SWER System as FAR as possible from
my residential mains ground rod! I did locate my inverter SWER system 45 ft away from my mains ground!
so I feel that I am not picking up relatively anything from my mains system! there's that word again ---RELATIVELY !
as I said before there are MANY entities that are involved in the earth as a ground! Lightning-Commercial
power Utility Companies- Solar systems- fence hot wire systems (lots in this part of the country)-ETC.
I believe my inverter SWER Ground Grid System is as much a separate system unto it self as possible!
I intend to retest with the 250 watt heat lamp as soon as I have my ground system updated. I am down until then.
I intend to run all my tests for an hours length of time for consistency as you say.
Thanks again a.king21. I do appreciate your encouragement and posts!
Cheers,LOL
Clarence
Clarence:
Hello a.king21 & all,
I received my new 6AWG wire and installed in the input ground rod leg and it did not make any difference
in the voltage available to the system with no load at idle. still only 90 volts before system looped. however
when I looped the system as batt-inverter-toroids-power supply-back to batt the batt voltage went
from 12.4 to 12.1 volts and the load system voltage to the power supply dropped from 90 volts to 77.1 volts
when the 250 watt light was was plugged in. the batt voltage went down to 12 volt also. after 10 minutes into the run
withe the 250 watt light fully lit the batt voltage droped to 11.9 volt and the voltage supply for the power supply dropped
under 77.1 volts and the power supply shutdown by itself!
I immediately pulled the bulb and the power supply came back on with the batt voltage at 11.9 volt and
I let the looped system run the rest of the hour period to see if it would at least maintain itself - and it did - but unloaded.
the batt voltage remained at 11.9 volts.
I asked my self what to hell was different this time from the last time I tested and the 250 light ran at 12.4 volts
with the system looped. the only thing I keep coming up with is the fact that it has rained a lot here for the last two weeks
and this last Monday they put up a oil rig just a little over a quarter of a mile from my house and have been drilling!
A drill casing and drill pipe are one gigantic ground rod and the drill stem actually becomes radioactive in the process.
all of that would definitely play hell with my three little ground rods.
All of this experience has SHOWN me that this basic build as I have it DOES work! the FACT that it DOES maintain itself unloaded
is its own evidence! the fact that it maintains itself at a STEADY batt voltage shows that it is harnessing some extra energy from the GROUND!
Though at the present time the amount harnessed is SMALL ---so is my GROUND GRID SYSTEM!!!!! and that has made itself clear to me.
the Grid system that B&L recommended was a 40 rod 30 meter by 50 meter lay out! not my puny little 3 rod attempt. but it has been a
learning event and I know which way to go! I need a larger Inverter (2000/4000surge) - I need a larger AmpHour batt 12volt (93AH) -
and I need to have a better and more productive GROUND GRID SYSTEM.
And isn't that what this system is supposed to be about-----ENERGY FROM THE GROUND!
Thanks to all members for your attention and kindness!!!!
Onward, Clarence!
BTW: when I have achieved a better working GROUND GRID SYSTEM I WILL post to you all those results! Thanks Again!
Hello Clarence
If you have a low output voltage tries to increase one wound
a secondary coil of the first transformer maybe too but you
have a reference ..
Leo48
Clarence:
Hello leo48,
I don't want to change any of the balance in my two toroids with their two windings on each of their secondaries.
prior to putting ANY load on the circuit to the power supply which IS a load the circuit to the power supply
shows 116.2 volts which is exactly the same as the inverter is putting out. its when you attach a Load of any type that the
circuit having its neutral leg supplied by the return from the ground grid that the voltage drops to 90 volts (about +-).
that's an indication to me that the Ground Grid System with just the three ground rods just doesn't have enough bang for the buck!
But while thinking it over- the return ground wire which is wrapped around the looped secondary is just looped
once as shown in all theirpatent info drawings-I might just loop it twice or three times just for the hell of it and see
if it makes any difference. that would be easy to do and undo it it doesn't make any improvement. Ill try!
Cheers,
Clarence
Hello Clarence
I've heard that ground may be replaced by car battery. It may be interesting to check if you have old sulfated batteries. Just be careful, Edwin Gray used deep cycle marine battery and he mentiond they often exploded.
Clarence:
Hello forest,
I follow your thinking. THANKS much!!
Clarence
Dear Clarance,
I have explored the Gray technology extensivly and forest brings up a good point about the idea of using a battery to replace the grounding network. He is correct in reporting that the Gray team had problems in the early 70's with exploding batteries. However that issue was resolved by 1976. The risk you face with your system and a battery is probably very minimual since the Gray technology was applying 1 mS 600Amp pulses to their battery array.
I have read in the Tesla documents theat the master stated that either the negative of a battery or a grounding system could be used to connect the low end of his radiant energy transmitter. He said that a ground was easier.
If the Barbosa & Leal technology requires an extensive grounding network that is composed of 30 to 40 grounding rods then I doubt that their work would find much application in the Western world. If it proves to be technically viable then it might be a god-send for 3rd world countires with low population densities and lots of land.
I would certainly love to hear about the impact of the grounding system being replaced with a wet-cell battery. I have attached my best guess as to how this would be connected to your system. Other topologies are possible as well. Didn't the B&L team already produce a video on this same subject?
By the way, the Gray technology employed two (somethimes three) battery banks from the very beginning. One was for the excitation power supply while the other served some vital part in the non-classical conversion process. The "Backend" battery was discharged in the process of operation and needed to be recharged from an external source. The OU of this system was torque and not a direct electrical output.
Spokane1
Clarence:
Hello Spokane1,
If anyone wants to try a battery instead of a ground system go ahead!
their safety will not be impaired if they take whatever battery they want to use
(900 cold crank- high amp hour automotive suggested)
and convert it from a lead acid battery which could explode to a ALUM CRYSTAL BATTERY that John Bedini
perfected which would not explode! the electrolyte is just plain old grocery store ALUM in the spice area!
It is mixed with distilled water from the grocery store also! You can type in to your search engine this wording--:
Conversion Of A Dry-Charge Lead Acid Battery To An Alum Crystal Cell Battery John Bedini . his video gives
all the necessary information to accomplish this! When I purchase my new LARGER battery to replace my array
of 4 small 7AH batteries that is what I intend to do. they Charge faster than regular batteries so my
Tripp Lite power supply should be able to handle the job for sure.
tommorrow I will obtain all the rods with clamps (9 of each) to enlarge my Ground Grid System.
I will also buy 100 ft of direct burial #10 - 2 -with gw wire to connect everything as necessary.
the three wires in the cable I will lump together as three #10 AWG strands. and should serve the purpose.
totals about another 200.00 USD. oh well !
what I intend to construct will be a 16 foot circle diameter having 8 rods in its perimeter ( the #8 rod NOT being
connected back to the #1 rod so that the system stays open ended ) for the return side and 1 (one)
rod at the very center for the input. this will give approximately 6 feet between each perimeter rod. being space limited
this will give me a 9 rod system for my first increase in my system.
If I need to increase further - I can keep going in the same direction and add 1 or 2 or 3 more circle units as need for
a total of 64 feet. 5+ meters by 21+ meters.
I have done a lot of testing and retesting of my whole system. I have determine that the actual input to the ground
system IS 116.2 volts.The voltage across the input rod to the two return rods is 0.10 volts. at present that is all that
is coming back through the return ground system leg!!! that is why the voltage across the LINE PHASE and the GROUND NEUTRAL
falls drastically when ANY LOAD is placed across THAT CIRCUIT. one leg is supplying 116.2 volts and the other leg is only supplying
0.10 volts. I would fall on my ass too if one of my legs was normal and the other was an INCH short and had to carry a load - even
just my own body.
So its back to the name of the game AGAIN! ENERGY FROM THE GROUND _GROUND _ GROUND!
ONWARD, Clarence!
Clarence,
Could you tell us if the high amperage current in your captor loop is an AC current? I know it can't be used directly but that isn't what I have in mind.
Thanks
Quote from: Cadman on January 21, 2015, 08:34:27 AM
Clarence,
Could you tell us if the high amperage current in your captor loop is an AC current? I know it can't be used directly but that isn't what I have in mind.
Thanks
Clarence:
Hello Cadman,
I use a Fluke 323 true rms meter and yes the current in the loop system is AC!
To answer your question I just restarted my system with the 250 watt bulb plugged in
and the current on the loop was 1.4 amps AC.
the voltage on the powered circuit TO THE 250 watt BULB was 84.2 volts at 1.58 amps
(with full voltage the amperage would be around 2.2 amps +-) showing on my Kill -a- Watt meter
the bulb was plugged into. at idle with NO load the LOOP AC VOLTAGE reads normally 1.4 AC amps
anyway - so the bulb load on its powered circuit DID NOT INCREASE the LOOP AC amperage!
Glad to help.
Clarence
Hi Clarence,
Here are some suggestions I have in helping you tune up your system.
(1) You say your circuit: "It works with batteries but doesn't work closed loop"
This is not correct because closed loop means: "contains suffient electrical storage
capacity to overide any loop instability". Your batteries provide this but you need
additional storage when the batteries are not present, so what you should
do is provide a supercapacitor always on the circuit between your inverter
and your 12VDC power supply. A 16Vdc supercapacitor would be available
at an automobile audio shop where they install high power 1KW audio amplifiers into
car audio systems. The supercapacitor has much more capacity then the electrolytics
in the powersupply but much less capacity then the batteries have.
(2) I would recommend a 120VAC Variac Variable autotransformer before your 12VDC power
supply so you can adjust the input voltage to the power supply up or down. This will allow
allow you to manually tune the system to optimal voltage levels and give yourself more
running margin.
Variac looks like this, the red device in this farmhand picture from post #527:
http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/135206/
Farmhand's variac is 240VAC you may want a 120Vac Variac for your system.
(3) A second variac could be used as a power spliter where you divide the total systems
power between two different AC pathways. The second pathway might be used to power
a second 12VDC supply to run a grid intertie inverter. Variac transformers because of the
way they are wired do not provide galvanic isolation. But you could purchase a 1:1 120VAC
input 120VAC output turns ratio transformer of adquate Kvar rating to ground isolate the
second pathway so the grid intertie inverter would have it's own seperate ground system
in the intertie (shouldn't influence other parts of the circuit).
Thus, it would really be sweet to see extra power actually going out to the grid from your
ground tuned up system. You would manualy set the second Variac just high enough so that
the supercapacitor voltage isn't discharging.
---
In effect your system would be a rather rare example of a self running system ouputting
all extra power to the grid, sort of independent of where the energy comes from. Once
started by batteries they are switched off and don't contribute to system energy.
Good Luck!
:S:MarkSCoffman
Dear Clarence,
If you think a 120VAC Varic would be benifical to you research I just happen to have an extra unit that I would be willing to donate to a good cause.
These devices are expensive even on eBay.
Send me an email at mmckay@simplexgrinnell.com with a shipping address and I can get it right out to you.
Spokane1
Clarence:
Hello mscoffman,
I know what closed loop IS and what it isnt!
what I said was that the system would not work CLOSED LOOP because the Tripp Lite power supply
which was supposed to be getting FULL voltage to it to make it operate properly was not happening!!!
The lack of FULL voltage was due to the GROUND GRID RETURN not supplying its leg of full voltage as this system is supposed to do.
the rest of the information was meant to convey the the fact that I could operate the TRIPP Lite power supply separate from the system
by means of my mains household voltage and doing this then in conjunction with the - battery array - inverter - toroids - as an
open ended system to be able to operate everything and test the system to see what was happening and or not happening!
when I get the Ground supply problem solved then I will go back to configuiring it as a closed loop again
I do know what a variac is and I have the same RED type unit and have been using it for years.
I also know Member Farmhand as I was and still am a member of the ENERGETIC FORUM for many years working on Don Smith devices.
I do appreciate your thoughts and considerations and I appreciate also the information on the source for the super capacitors!
I am going to continue with this B&L build exactly as it was stated and shown in the patent info and their demos if it doesnt stay close
to their device then I wont persue it farther.
@ Spokane1 ,
thanks for the offer!
Clarence
Quote from: Spokane1 on January 21, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
Dear Clarence,
If you think a 120VAC Varic would be benifical to you research I just happen to have an extra unit that I would be willing to donate to a good cause.
These devices are expensive even on eBay.
Send me an email at mmckay@simplexgrinnell.com with a shipping address and I can get it right out to you.
Spokane1
Clarence:
Hello Spokane1,
Again I thank you for your generous offer sir!
I do already have the exact same type variac and have used it for years.
Blessings and Cheers,
Clarence
Clarence,
The devices in the main loop of these systems always seem to be under a kind of stability stress they
don't experience when plugged into utility networks. Utility networks are very fast and very "stiff"
because of the way the are backed. DC to AC inverters are not so stiff. So devices used here need a
little more hold up time. But not necessarily 7Ah worth.
Ultimately the incandescent bulb will need to be removed from the circuit because it is wasting power
that should be made available to the user purposes. The variac can be helpful at doing so initially. Of course
all the variacs will be removed eventually and be replaced by fixed resources.
I was just hoping you don't let inherent circuit instability put you off when you come this far. The circuit
looks very interesting.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on January 22, 2015, 11:00:52 AM
Clarence,
The devices in the main loop of these systems always seem to be under a kind of stability stress they
don't experience when plugged into utility networks. Utility networks are very fast and very "stiff"
because of the way the are backed. DC to AC inverters are not so stiff. So devices used here need a
little more hold up time. But not necessarily 7Ah worth.
Ultimately the incandescent bulb will need to be removed from the circuit because it is wasting power
that should be made available to the user purposes. The variac can be helpful at doing so initially. Of course
all the variacs will be removed eventually and be replaced by fixed resources.
I was just hoping you don't let inherent circuit instability put you off when you come this far. The circuit
looks very interesting.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Clarence:
Hello again,
you miss the point in the use of the 250 watt heat lamp! I simply use it as a test LOAD.
at times I use other bulbs such as a 4 watt nite light or a 13 watt CFL or a 24 watt CFL so the point about
wasting energy is mute. Everyone by now should have recognized that my ONLY purpose with constructing
this B&L device EXACTLY as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE to the way THEY DID IT is to use it as a PROOF OF CONCEPT.
If it doesnt work by their instructions and patent info then its a FARCE. I intend to go to whatever limits I need to
to prove whether the device works or not!
BTW: the next size bulb I intend to use is a 1000 watt Halogen bulb. I already have the materials and rack to plug
them in IF the results warrent going that far.
I am also aware of the instability of the performance of several of the components in the system and would work
on that latter- not now. and I definitely wont be using a VARIAC now or later.
at present I am in the process of increasing the size of my GROUND GRID as B&L call it. I'll see what that does and
it will determine my next steps.
Thanks and Cheers,
Clarence
@Clarence Can you make some measurements (AC V&A in VS AC V&A); I tested your system, but the voltage on the battery is getting lower... Tested with a sine wave 300W inverter, and NO LOAD. Discovered something interesting about it: If you put a 20uF in parallel with the INPUT you can light the bulb between the two grounds(Neutral, ground) :)
P.S. I didn't use thickness of the cables, the windings of transformers, and just 2 grounds...Maybe this is the fault?....
Cheers,
Adrian
Quote from: xhacks on January 23, 2015, 11:24:28 AM
@Clarence Can you make some measurements (AC V&A in VS AC V&A); I tested your system, but the voltage on the battery is getting lower... Tested with a sine wave 300W inverter, and NO LOAD. Discovered something interesting about it: If you put a 20uF in parallel with the INPUT you can light the bulb between the two grounds(Neutral, ground) :)
P.S. I didn't use thickness of the cables, the windings of transformers, and just 2 grounds...Maybe this is the fault?....
Cheers,
Adrian
Clarence:
Hello xhacks,
Glad to meet you. I can make measurements on my device for you sure - however
I didn't understand what you meant in your reference about taking voltage and amperage
measurements on YOUR unit.
on your unit you need to understand that the INVERTER unit itself IS A LOAD and that is why
your battery voltage gradually drops!
Also the part about the BATT - INVERTOR - PHASE - CAPACITOR - NEUTRAL - BULB - GROUND (open loop) is
nothing new at ALL and the bulb is also a LOAD!!! another reason why the battery voltage slowly falls!
If you REALLY want to use that little small inverter system ( Please note that statement is NOT in ANY way
meant to be derogatory!) to A GREAT advantage you can get all of this information from an old DON SMITH
patent device if you will just go to your computer search engine and type in this wording : DON SMITH 2006 TESLA TECH .
after you pull it up (a you tube video from way back) scroll almost to the end and you will see him use a car battery which
he uses to power a hand held 28 WATT power zapper touched to a PLATE CAPACITOR that some one holds a GROUND WIRE
to which he states goes out side to large sized GROUND PLATE that was used for the seminar. He then explains
that the GROUND WIRE can be CUT and a LOAD placed between the two ends of the ground wire!!!
I also remember that He operated up to 2KW LOADS on this type of circuit. follows after Don's motto of KISS!
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.
Use your inverter to power a similar low watt hand held high frequency zapper and then use a small amount of
the load area output to feed back and keep your battery charged and your home free.
BTW: there are a lot more of these little trinkets floating around in the cloud data system that the world doesn't know are out there.
thanks and CHEERS,
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on January 23, 2015, 01:56:41 PM
Clarence:
Hello xhacks,
Glad to meet you. I can make measurements on my device for you sure - however
I didn't understand what you meant in your reference about taking voltage and amperage
measurements on YOUR unit.
on your unit you need to understand that the INVERTER unit itself IS A LOAD and that is why
your battery voltage gradually drops!
Also the part about the BATT - INVERTOR - PHASE - CAPACITOR - NEUTRAL - BULB - GROUND (open loop) is
nothing new at ALL and the bulb is also a LOAD!!! another reason why the battery voltage slowly falls!
If you REALLY want to use that little small inverter system ( Please note that statement is NOT in ANY way
meant to be derogatory!) to A GREAT advantage you can get all of this information from an old DON SMITH
patent device if you will just go to your computer search engine and type in this wording : DON SMITH 2006 TESLA TECH .
after you pull it up (a you tube video from way back) scroll almost to the end and you will see him use a car battery which
he uses to power a hand held 28 WATT power zapper touched to a PLATE CAPACITOR that some one holds a GROUND WIRE
to which he states goes out side to large sized GROUND PLATE that was used for the seminar. He then explains
that the GROUND WIRE can be CUT and a LOAD placed between the two ends of the ground wire!!!
I also remember that He operated up to 2KW LOADS on this type of circuit. follows after Don's motto of KISS!
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.
Use your inverter to power a similar low watt hand held high frequency zapper and then use a small amount of
the load area output to feed back and keep your battery charged and your home free.
BTW: there are a lot more of these little trinkets floating around in the cloud data system that the world doesn't know are out there.
thanks and CHEERS,
Clarence
Clarence: Do you mean like this?
Clarence:
Hello a.king21
The high voltage he is putting into his side of the capacitor plate is AC.
the voltage that is being picked up on the other side of the plate and that is going to ground is
pulsed DC. purposely for demonstration purposes he is using a car battery and it is powering a
DC to AC converter which was originally used to test Dielectric values of different wire insulation
and other things etc.It could be adjusted up and down to different voltage and amperage settings.
the settings he chose basically amounted to a total of 28 watts and was delivered by the hand held
probe that he used. all in all just a high voltage module as you illustrated. the ground wire that is used
went to an outside ground of whatever sort. you could drop the voltage and frequency by any of
several means to match your needs whether it be AC or DC.
energy that went in on the input side did not pass to the other side. The energy that was received
on the output plate was harvested from the ambient energy background and was delivered to ground.
the input energy was simply the excitation means.
He showed two different demos of the same load to ground process, I gave you the search engine wording
for the demonstration in 2006 now here is a better and more informative demonstration of harvesting to ground
of a previous year - type in - Don Smith 2005 Part 4 - youtube.
a lot more information and explanation with all the witnesses gathered around.
I prefer my B&L device For all the different ways you can configure circuits more easily and accomplish basically the some thing.
thanks and Cheers.
Clarence
Clarence, a.king21:
I'll try to keep this fairly short, since this is drifting off topic.
I am not trying to put down Don Smith in any way, but I have tested a fair bit with some of the things Don Smith
has talked about or shown, and I have found in my tests that things do not end up working like Don Smith describes it.
Regarding his capacitor plates driven by a high voltage AC driver, the first thing most people will probably notice is that
capacitors are used all over the place in AC circuits and they of course most certainly do draw energy from the driving device.
Don's premise seems to be that since you are drawing an arc from the HV driver to Earth ground, and Earth ground is
isolated from the HV driver (in the 2006 demo he used a battery powered power source for the HV driver), that no energy is
being drawn from the HV driver when the second capacitor plate is arcing to Earth ground. However, in my tests where I monitor
the input current to my HV driver from a 12V battery, the input current to the HV driver increases from about 350mA at idle to
about 420mA to 450mA or more when arcing to either Earth ground or even just to a completely insulated screwdriver tip.
This shows that any arcing (even to the insulated screwdriver tip) is drawing its energy from the HV power source to
cause the arcing.
With Don Smith's stuff it seems that it comes down to Don Smith either leaving out key info which you would need to
make his stuff work, or he was just plain wrong about certain things. Maybe Don Smith's use of an aluminum plate and a
copper plate makes some sort of difference, as I just tested with a normal HV pulse capacitor. It is probably worth a test
to see if there is any difference at all however. Also, in my tests, the voltage waveform on the Earth ground side
of the setup is identical to the voltage on the HV driving side, i.e.; if you are using a sine wave in, then you will see
a sine wave on the output ground discharge side as well. That's what I saw in my own testing anyway. If there is a way to get that
sort of setup to pull in extra energy from the ambient to power a load without drawing its energy from the HV power source,
I personally haven't figured it out (yet) anyway. I am still experimenting away... :) Anyone can experiment for them self to see
if they can get different results, but make sure you know what you are doing first when experimenting with high voltage.
Good luck with the experimenting.
All the best...
Clarence:
Hello Void, & All,
correct on all points Void - I know the experiences from past history personally also!
As I said I prefer my B&L device and am working to prove it as a proof of concept for my own personal interests
and am indeed willing to share the good points that I find and also point out some of my goof ups as well
when I discover them.
It is good to share what I find as this device build is NOT CHEAP (about 1200.00 so far). sharing helps others
from having to put out those expenses when it might not be possible to do so but allows them to obtain
the advantage of the information anyway. Lovin it!
I am building my ring type Earth Grid System that I mentioned earlier (16 ft ring type with 8 copper clad rods
in the perimeter for the return from earth ground connected in series and left open ended. 1 copper clad rod in the exact center
as the input rod to earth ground). all of the connecting wire will be #6 AWG tinned battery cable wire..
all of this takes time and effort (lots) and add to this my farm duties (which come first) the time to complete
is made even even longer.
so hang on everybody! I'll get there.
thanks and Cheers.
Clarence
Hi Clarence. I have been following along on your B&L experiments. You are doing a great job mate!
Appreciate the schematic and photos you posted, as it allowed me to get a much clearer idea of what you are doing.
I am patiently waiting to see if you see any improvement once you add your improved ground rod grid. :)
All the best...
Quote from: Void on January 24, 2015, 11:39:49 AM
Hi Clarence. I have been following along on your B&L experiments. You are doing a great job mate!
Appreciate the schematic and photos you posted, as it allowed me to get a much clearer idea of what you are doing.
I am patiently waiting to see if you see any improvement once you add your improved ground rod grid. :)
All the best...
Hello Void & ALL,
Clarence:
Just an update on progress on Ground Grid System:
had laid out perimeter and rod marks and had to posthole spots down into earth 12 inches so that they could be
covered over after assembly. at my site I could NOT leave the rods exposed above ground at all and the wire has
to be trenched also so that nothing interferes above ground level. definitely work involved.
will have the last of the rods in the ground by tonight and will start wire trenching tomorrow.
saturday and sunday I should have all the wire in and connected and the connections sealed and wires covered over.
will not be able to start any testing until sometime tuesday or thursday as I just lately observed that my
tripp lite power supply was FRIED!!
at sometime when I was last testing and as the ground system wasn't feeding enough voltage back through the ground
return system only giving enough system voltage in the amount of 84 to 90v---this under voltage caused my
tripplite PR 15 to overheat severely and I did not catch this fact until after the damage had already been done!!!
it is factory designed the run on 120 volt AC and not 84 volt AC! MY GOOF UP!
I have a NEW Tripp Lite PR 30 that should arrive monday thru wednesday sometime.
for testing the system THIS TIME I will be powering the PR 30 with mains voltage until I can see if the Ground
Return Leg is performing as it should or if I still have to increase the size of my Ground Grid a bit more.
as with all things time will tell!
Thanks, Later.
Clarence
Thanks for the update Clarence. Sorry to hear about your power supply. These sort of
experiments we do here can be very hard on electronics! I blown more than my share of components
and equipment over the years. :) Your ground rod expansion sounds like a pretty big job. Hope you
can get a farmhand or two to help you. ;)
All the best...
Clarence: Sorry to hear about your equipment. Lots of us are quietly keeping an eye on this thread and hope you succeed.
hi guys .. Spanish isn't my language ( a little Spanish and basic French) but this looks VERY interesting, was sent to me by a friend in Brazil .. all you Spanish speakers this is your chance to shine .. good luck with the translation .. skribat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504
Quote from: a.king21 on January 29, 2015, 04:44:21 PM
Clarence: Sorry to hear about your equipment. Lots of us are quietly keeping an eye on this thread and hope you succeed.
Clarence:
Hello a.king21, void, & ALL,
the weather here has NOT been favorable at all to finishing the wire connections to the ground rods and sealing the connections
(since they had to be below the surface by about 4 inches and could not be protruding above ground level at all- property
owners demands). I deemed the moisture sealing of connections and keeping dirt, etc. completely away from bare wire and clamps
as necessary to ensure no type of resistance sources between earth - rod - wire - and device. I want to keep everything clean and
unhampered to give a reliable result to the outcome of this revised GROUND ROD RETURN SYSTEM.
I have the background of the previous TWO rod system results at 84v to 90v to compare results against.
my new Tripp Lite PR 30 is in and in place ready to go ( hooked to mains supply this time until I determine that it IS or IS NOT safe to
to include it in the system.
I thought it was humorous about me getting a farmhand to help me put the rods in the ground!
This is a 64 acre farm alright but the ONLY FARMHAND HERE IS M E E E!!!
meanwhile back at the farm - working on getting it done, the weather clearing hopefully ( Louisiana is a little swampy!) .
Will give new info as it happens.
Thanks , cheers!
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. Ok on you being the only farmhand. ;)
Take your time mate. Rushing at this sort of stuff does not help anything.
If it is kind of swampy out in your neck of the woods then that may mean that
you should have quite good potential conditions for getting a really good earth ground.
All the best...
Quote from: skribat on February 03, 2015, 04:02:50 PM
hi guys .. Spanish isn't my language ( a little Spanish and basic French) but this looks VERY interesting, was sent to me by a friend in Brazil .. all you Spanish speakers this is your chance to shine .. good luck with the translation .. skribat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504
Skribat, nice find!
Only had time to watch the first video (over lunch at work).
He's basically saying that the B&L schematic people have been working with are not producing the desired effects. He then shows another schematic that doesn't produce the effect either. Then, he shows one that does seem to produce abundant amps from the ground, starting around 7:20.
Here's what he says at 18:15:
"I believe B&L haven't told us the whole truth. If we input direct current without this capacitor (see right side of diagram), there is no substantial raising of current. To capture the electrons from the ground, there needs to be a means that permits, by induction, for them to be generated. And this instrument (means of induction) is still the capacitor, one of the great protagonists of electricity and electronics."
Note, the negative input remains hanging or "in the air" as he says. He's showing 115V, 0.0-1.0A in, and at each winding of his transformer, he's getting around 168 amps. That's a lot of juice. The mains amperage draw continues to be around 1A even as he's running lights and some other gizmo (didn't catch what it was) off the output. It would seem the extra electrical charge is coming from the ground.
Looks like pretty impressive results.
I wonder how we could scale that back to a simpler level.
Looking at his schematic, I see an open system (with open neg lead), and with the capacitor, I'm reminded of Tesla's apparatus for collecting radiant energy.
Hope this helps.
Back to work Bob.
Quote from: Bob Smith on February 04, 2015, 12:48:12 PM
Looks like pretty impressive results.
I wonder how we could scale that back to a simpler level.
Looking at his schematic, I see an open system (with open neg lead), and with the capacitor, I'm reminded of Tesla's apparatus for collecting radiant energy.
Hope this helps.
Back to work Bob.
Hi Bob. I watched that guy's videos a couple of weeks ago. He doesn't seem to understand
even the basics of doing proper power measurements, and he also seemed not to be aware
that neutral is usually earth grounded at the electrical panel (not sure about in his country however).
In the last video of his I watched he was showing what appeared to be way more input power consumption than
he was delivering to his load, and he seems oblivious that this is actually indicating quite a bit less than unity.
Someone pointed this out to him in a comment to his video, and the guy replied that "he was excited". He seems
to have not understood the significance of the relation between input power compared to output power. Also
his measurements are completely inadequate. It appears that he doesn't really know what he is doing. I
hope he doesn't electrocute himself.
All the best...
Thanks for your observations Void.
Yeah, those wires kinda freaked me out - for him and the dogs.
Bob
Quote from: Void on February 04, 2015, 12:13:55 PM
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. Ok on you being the only farmhand. ;)
Take your time mate. Rushing at this sort of stuff does not help anything.
If it is kind of swampy out in your neck of the woods then that may mean that
you should have quite good potential conditions for getting a really good earth ground.
All the best...
Clarence:
Hello Void, a.king21, & ALL,
just a quick update: I just finished all the connections for my new ground grid system and it is
now evening here so I am going to quit for the day!
after morning farm work I will start about noon to begin some new in depth testing and note taking, etc.
hopefully all the effort will be worth it, but fear not iv'e got another one of Tesla's way to get the job done!
I will wait until about noon Sunday to post the test results - good,bad, or ugly.
thanks, cheers!
Clarence
Sounds good Clarence. Even if this doesn't work out, you now have yourself one
excellent earth ground for any other experiments you may want to try. :)
All the best...
Quote from: Bob Smith on February 04, 2015, 12:48:12 PM
Skribat, nice find!
Only had time to watch the first video (over lunch at work).
He's basically saying that the B&L schematic people have been working with are not producing the desired effects. He then shows another schematic that doesn't produce the effect either. Then, he shows one that does seem to produce abundant amps from the ground, starting around 7:20.
Here's what he says at 18:15:
"I believe B&L haven't told us the whole truth. If we input direct current without this capacitor (see right side of diagram), there is no substantial raising of current. To capture the electrons from the ground, there needs to be a means that permits, by induction, for them to be generated. And this instrument (means of induction) is still the capacitor, one of the great protagonists of electricity and electronics."
Note, the negative input remains hanging or "in the air" as he says. He's showing 115V, 0.0-1.0A in, and at each winding of his transformer, he's getting around 168 amps. That's a lot of juice. The mains amperage draw continues to be around 1A even as he's running lights and some other gizmo (didn't catch what it was) off the output. It would seem the extra electrical charge is coming from the ground.
Looks like pretty impressive results.
I wonder how we could scale that back to a simpler level.
Looking at his schematic, I see an open system (with open neg lead), and with the capacitor, I'm reminded of Tesla's apparatus for collecting radiant energy.
Hope this helps.
Back to work Bob.
hi Bob .. many thanks for the translation .. your post also reminded me .. it seems that almost everyone working on replicating the captor for some reason ignores their use of the magnetic pulse device use in their system .. as with the Kapenadze system I suspect this is important .. or why would it be there. skribat ..
Quote from: skribat on February 08, 2015, 08:27:28 AM
it seems that almost everyone working on replicating the captor for some reason ignores their use of the magnetic pulse device use in their system ..
Hi skribat. Can you elaborate a bit on the 'magnetic pulse device' you are referring to?
Is it mentioned in any of the patents, and, if so, which ones? Or where is this described?
All the best...
Quote from: Void on February 04, 2015, 02:27:58 PM
Hi Bob. I watched that guy's videos a couple of weeks ago. He doesn't seem to understand
even the basics of doing proper power measurements, and he also seemed not to be aware
that neutral is usually earth grounded at the electrical panel (not sure about in his country however).
In the last video of his I watched he was showing what appeared to be way more input power consumption than
he was delivering to his load, and he seems oblivious that this is actually indicating quite a bit less than unity.
Someone pointed this out to him in a comment to his video, and the guy replied that "he was excited". He seems
to have not understood the significance of the relation between input power compared to output power. Also
his measurements are completely inadequate. It appears that he doesn't really know what he is doing. I
hope he doesn't electrocute himself.
All the best...
Hi Void,
In my home my grid is 220v 50hz the ground is isolated from neutral, and RCD system is protecting all the sockets.
Seems to me that is need some kind of "Kick" to circuit work with 110v network. in the load is used a halogen 50w 240v.
In this video, with a variac in input , clearly see that effect only will start when a reach 130v , after, we can lower the voltage and the "effect" will continue.
Is the main idea to Barbosa use a hv discharge protector , to give a extra kick to circuit start work.
But is other ways to control this aspect.
Good luck to everyone.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/G-ob1GY6dXs/default.jpg?v=54d36066
Quote from: Void on February 08, 2015, 09:25:10 AM
Hi skribat. Can you elaborate a bit on the 'magnetic pulse device' you are referring to?
Is it mentioned in any of the patents, and, if so, which ones? Or where is this described?
All the best...
hi Void .. as far as I recall it is in all of the patent and specs I read, right from the very first, it is a rotary magnet pulse generator, as far as I can see it serves the same purpose as the spark device in the Kapanadze generator, without this I assume it won't work, it seems to work as a wave generator .. and its frequency has to be tuned in to the system power surge I think. if you look at some of the early posts here, perhaps around page 22 ? you will find things I posted which describes this but there is not a specification for it .. may be a little hush-hush .. could just be a simple hall effect trigger .. skribat
Quote from: skribat on February 08, 2015, 08:27:28 AM
hi Bob .. many thanks for the translation .. your post also reminded me .. it seems that almost everyone working on replicating the captor for some reason ignores their use of the magnetic pulse device use in their system .. as with the Kapenadze system I suspect this is important .. or why would it be there. skribat ..
Hi Skribat
Glad to help in a small way. My interest is in identifying the central principle(s) involved. As you say, there seems to be elements in common with TK's work, and I'm sure there are others. The patent notes that this B&L technology can be used "to trap electrons from space" as well to "extract electrons from the earth." See page 33, first paragraph here:
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter3.pdf
I believe this is basically what Moray was doing - starting with pulling a charge out of the earth, then later adapting his setup to use a kind of virtual ground. Bearing that in mind then, what is it that this system is actually doing? Is it perhaps more in the nature of exciting the electrostatic environment and creating a kind of gradient of charge imbalance/separation which invites nature to supply charges to restore what the environment perceives as an imbalance?
In my mind, if we can figure out this principle and how to apply it in a variety of different modalities (solid state, mechanical and hybrid combinations), we can effectively blow open a door with huge possibilities - one that can't be closed.
Bob
Quote from: skribat on February 08, 2015, 10:23:19 AM
hi Void .. as far as I recall it is in all of the patent and specs I read, right from the very first, it is a rotary magnet pulse generator, as far as I can see it serves the same purpose as the spark device in the Kapanadze generator, without this I assume it won't work, it seems to work as a wave generator .. and its frequency has to be tuned in to the system power surge I think. if you look at some of the early posts here, perhaps around page 22 ? you will find things I posted which describes this but there is not a specification for it .. may be a little hush-hush .. could just be a simple hall effect trigger .. skribat
Hi skribat. Hmm, Ok. I don't recall seeing anything about a rotary magnet pulse generator or any pulse component in the B&L patents,
but maybe I missed it, or I was understanding it as something else.
All the best...
FWIW,
YT user Hibridor's newest video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtIdTQWkCuM
Translation:
28 sec: (Image of VLC SLIM)
- "The device is a suppressor of high tension spikes used as a "pararayos" (lightning conductor/rod). Technically, it is a spark gap."
39 sec: (Image of Kapanadze [Kapagen(?)] windings)
- "Spark gap"
"Kapanadze generator"
44 sec:
- "1. In the primary winding the tension is elevated thanks to the closed loop."
50 sec:
- " The VLC SLIM discharges the (high tension) surge towards the ground"
55sec:
- "The process repeats itself continuously generating a constant pulsing."
1:00:
- "!!!A spark gap!!! -SG- This is how power is gained.
The Kapanadze/Tesla technique."
Quote from: Bob Smith on February 08, 2015, 10:30:10 AM
Hi Skribat
Glad to help in a small way. My interest is in identifying the central principle(s) involved. As you say, there seems to be elements in common with TK's work, and I'm sure there are others. The patent notes that this B&L technology can be used "to trap electrons from space" as well to "extract electrons from the earth." See page 33, first paragraph here:
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter3.pdf
I believe this is basically what Moray was doing - starting with pulling a charge out of the earth, then later adapting his setup to use a kind of virtual ground. Bearing that in mind then, what is it that this system is actually doing? Is it perhaps more in the nature of exciting the electrostatic environment and creating a kind of gradient of charge imbalance/separation which invites nature to supply charges to restore what the environment perceives as an imbalance?
In my mind, if we can figure out this principle and how to apply it in a variety of different modalities (solid state, mechanical and hybrid combinations), we can effectively blow open a door with huge possibilities - one that can't be closed.
Bob
hi bob thakyou for that it made very interesting reading .. right down to the much ignored ,, vibrator .. ' magnetic pulse generator' ? .. there is also a striking resemblence to the Lutec magnetic motor / generator which you may know about, patents have been granted in more than 60 countries .. same technology as far as I can ascertain. .. you can search youtube for the Jan2015 upload, the Lutec website was taken down when they entered into negotiations with (reportedly) a Singapore company ? one year ago .. sk
Quote from: Bob Smith on February 08, 2015, 11:47:42 AM
FWIW,
YT user Hibridor's newest video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtIdTQWkCuM
Translation:
28 sec: (Image of VLC SLIM)
- "The device is a suppressor of high tension spikes used as a "pararayos" (lightning conductor/rod). Technically, it is a spark gap."
39 sec: (Image of Kapanadze [Kapagen(?)] windings)
- "Spark gap"
"Kapanadze generator"
44 sec:
- "1. In the primary winding the tension is elevated thanks to the closed loop."
50 sec:
- " The VLC SLIM discharges the (high tension) surge towards the ground"
55sec:
- "The process repeats itself continuously generating a constant pulsing."
1:00:
- "!!!A spark gap!!! -SG- This is how power is gained.
The Kapanadze/Tesla technique."
-----------
I love when a plan comes together .. well done ..sk
Here's my question:
With a lower powered system (ie., much lower than mains), could we employ a zener diode in place of the VLC SLIM to get the same kind of pulsing action?
Bob
Quote from: Void on February 04, 2015, 12:13:55 PM
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. Ok on you being the only farmhand. ;)
Take your time mate. Rushing at this sort of stuff does not help anything.
If it is kind of swampy out in your neck of the woods then that may mean that
you should have quite good potential conditions for getting a really good earth ground.
All the best...
Clarence:
Hello Void, a,king21, Spokane, & ALL,
This is the update on my B&L exact replication build with its improved GROUND GRID SYSTEM that I promised.
All of the news is GOOD news. bear in mind that I tested having my tripp lite PR30 powered by mains voltage ONLY
for this TESTING PURPOSE ONLY!!!!! NO mains voltage of ANY form will be used in my completed successful build!!!
any so-called replication build using any form of mains power in a completed build IS NOT A REPLICATION OF THE B&L DEVICE
- it is just bull shit.
1. the last time I tested before the improvement of the NEEDED ground grid system the return from the ground rods only produced
a low voltage system voltage of 84 to 90 volts. I'll say just 84 volts (chose the lower). and that was using my PR15 tripp lite by means of the
system circuit voltage which low voltage quickly burnt it up.
2. this time being cautious I tested by powering my new PR30 power supply from mains voltage, AGAIN I NEED TO SAY
....ONLY .... for testing purpose!!!!
this time the new 8 rod open ended ring lit the 250 watt red heat bulb at 200 watts with a system circuit voltage of 110.7 volts.
YES! an improvement!!!!!!!!!
3. being further curious AND CAUTIOUS I disconnected the PR30 from mains supply and hooked it instead in the system circuit supply.
without ANY test bulb plugged in. I wanted to see what the power supply load itself would do to the supply from the ground circuit voltage
so with my finger kept on the power switch I turned the power supply on and the UNLOADED circuit supply voltage of 116.2 volts quickly
dropped and settled out at 103.2 volts.I quickly hit the PR30 switch and shut it off so as not to damage it also.
All in all this improved ground system just says what this whole device is all about. AGAIN - ENERGY FROM THE GROUND!
at this point I have NO doubts that the B&L device AS shown in the patent language and drawings IS A VIABLE DEVICE!
when a SUFFICIENT ground grid is provided it will work as they stated!!!!!
they just may have not stressed the point about the magnitude of the grid system required.
In their country their system is a 220 volt system and definitely would require a LARGE GRID! especially a three phase system!
my system is a single phase system and 120/240 volts so a smaller GRID would suffice.
I also have been shown that the size of the GRID has to have ENOUGH BACKUP POTENTIAL so that system loads are not using up potential
FASTER than it can be RECEIVED!!!!
with this in mind in the next two weeks I am going to add 6 more rods to my system as I want to continue with the GRID size until I am able to
Power the 250 watt bulb with the power supply being IN the system circuit voltage and NOT ANY mains voltage!!!
ONWARD!
thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. It sounds like you are making good progress. Good job!
One thing you can possibly try is to use a sprinkler or spray hose to soak the ground around
your ground rods until the ground is really soaked, and see if there is any improvement. Soil type
also matters, but hopefully your soil in your area is half decent as far as ground conductivity.
Is your power supply a switch mode type power supply (SMPS) or the older linear type of power supply with
a big step down transformer? Does you power supply have built in max output current limiting?
All the best...
Quote from: Void on February 08, 2015, 05:00:21 PM
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. It sounds like you are making good progress. Good job!
One thing you can possibly try is to use a sprinkler or spray hose to soak the ground around
your ground rods until the ground is really soaked, and see if there is any improvement. Soil type
also matters, but hopefully your soil in your area is half decent as far as ground conductivity.
Is your power supply a switch mode type power supply (SMPS) or the older linear type of power supply with
a big step down transformer? Does you power supply have built in max output current limiting?
All the best...
Clarence:
Hello Void,
My new Tripp Lite PR30 model is the latest newer type with all the bells and whistles you mentioned.
you can enter a search and it will give you all the good details.
just a side note: after I was through testing I wanted to bring my 4 each 7 AH batts up to a full charge.
and I didn't want to use the PR30 by mains voltage to do it since it does have mild heat on its heat sink when operating
so I disconnected it and instead plugged my Power Sonic 12v500ma charger into the system while It was still running
(this is the charger made for the 4 each Power Sonic 7AH batts) and I noticed that the system circuit voltage
powered it just fine and the batt voltage started to climb back up from 12.4 v to 12.5 v so the system was
repowering itself nicely on idle so I said what to hell let me try something - I fliped the switch to the 250 red heat lamp and it lit up
still at the 200 watt 110.7 v I mentioned previously. I started to watch the batt voltage again with my meter and it stayed at the 12.5 v
for about ten minitues and then did its flicker back and forth dance for a while and then dropped back to 12.4. it stayed there for about
ten minutes and did the dance and then dropped to 12.3 v. all this time I felt the charger and it never heated at all!
after a full 30 minutes I unplugged it from the system and powered it by the mains. then I shut the system down and let it do its thing.
The whole point is that I was amazed that a small under 30.00 device could almost keep up with a 250.00 Tripp Lite PR30!
And at a lot less load on the system! I went to the search to see if I could get another one and parallel them in the system circuit instead of
the huge power supply and its load draw. all I could find was the same thing in a now slightly larger charger called a PSC-800a-C charger.
almost the same draw but is a fast charge - float charge unit which doesn't overcharge automatically also.
for under 30.00 on E-Bay I am sure going to try the duo and see what happens.
LATER - thanks and cheers.
Clarence
Clarence, thanks for the update. It will be interesting to see how much juice you can extract from the ground. Good luck.
Hi Clarence. Ok, I looked up your power supply. I was trying to figure out why the previous one might have
blown, but I am still not sure. Don't know that much about SMPS power supplies. Maybe the power supply
regulation circuitry won't work properly when it is driven with under voltage at its power input terminals.
A heavier duty battery charger as you mentioned looking at might be more tolerant of under voltage,
depending on the type and model, and they are designed for charging batteries, so they will self regulate their
charge rate. That may well be worth a try. Also as I mentioned before, really soaking the ground rods area for several hours,
even over a whole day or night, might help as well once the water really soaks in deep, if the ground is a bit dry
around the ground rods. Surface moisture probably won't help that much, but soaking down really deep might well help.
It might be interesting to run the system longer in a loop with the small battery charger you have in place,
but with no load connected, and monitor the charge current going into the batteries, and the voltage on
the batteries, say once an hour or every half hour. If it is maintaining a full charge on the batteries,
after say 6 hours or so while running in a closed loop, that is pretty good already. You could then try adding a
low wattage bulb for a load of say 15 to 25 Watts, and see if the system can maintain that in a closed loop.
If that works, then you can increment the load up a little bit more and see what it can maintain.
Good experimenting Lawrence. I agree with you that a person really needs to test without any connection to
the grid to have any real chance of seeing if the B&L system works as claimed or not.
All the best...
Quote from: Void on February 08, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Hi Clarence. Ok, I looked up your power supply. I was trying to figure out why the previous one might have
blown, but I am still not sure. Don't know that much about SMPS power supplies. Maybe the power supply
regulation circuitry won't work properly when it is driven with under voltage at its power input terminals.
A heavier duty battery charger as you mentioned looking at might be more tolerant of under voltage,
depending on the type and model, and they are designed for charging batteries, so they will self regulate their
charge rate. That may well be worth a try. Also as I mentioned before, really soaking the ground rods area for several hours,
even over a whole day or night, might help as well once the water really soaks in deep, if the ground is a bit dry
around the ground rods. Surface moisture probably won't help that much, but soaking down really deep might well help.
It might be interesting to run the system longer in a loop with the small battery charger you have in place,
but with no load connected, and monitor the charge current going into the batteries, and the voltage on
the batteries, say once an hour or every half hour. If it is maintaining a full charge on the batteries,
after say 6 hours or so while running in a closed loop, that is pretty good already. You could then try adding a
low wattage bulb for a load of say 15 to 25 Watts, and see if the system can maintain that in a closed loop.
If that works, then you can increment the load up a little bit more and see what it can maintain.
Good experimenting Lawrence. I agree with you that a person really needs to test without any connection to
the grid to have any real chance of seeing if the B&L system works as claimed or not.
All the best...
Clarence :
Hello Void, a.king 21,
thanks for your support!
I do all of my testing in increments as you stated. that is the only real way to define the parameters of the
system, this also gives you the ability to make good judgement calls on how to proceed with future improvements.
with reference to the ground rods, at this site only the first 12 inches is semi solid ground and after that the next 6 feet
of earth is such a wet water table I can manually just push the rods down by hand! then they stop suddenly when
they hit the clay level below the water table. just that last 16 inches is the chore. all of this swampland has already been
soaked for thousands of years! it doesn't need any more for sure.
with reference to the small charger for the batts , I already have one on the way from E-Bay - 29.75 including shipping.
as I said I am going to parallel it with the one I have at present and see what the results are. they still have some incremental sizes
that are larger that I can use if needed. my desire for this action is based on the fact (I believe) that they can get the job done with a lot smaller footprint
in both load draw and space occupied! I am definitely going to find out either way.
Again thanks for your support and interest!
Cheers
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Not sure if paralleling the two battery chargers will work. The two separate battery chargers will
be trying to regulate their output voltage/current separately, meaning they may be constantly trying to adjust their
output voltage/current relative to the other, and this might not give desirable results. It might work though. One somewhat
larger capacity battery charger might be better.
P.S. Ok on your ground where you have your ground rods being really soggy. I never imagined it was quite that swampy
on your property, but I have never lived in swamp country. ;)
All the best...
Quote from: Void on February 08, 2015, 10:04:00 PM
Hi Clarence. Not sure if paralleling the two battery chargers will work. The two separate battery chargers will
be trying to regulate their output voltage/current separately, meaning they may be constantly trying to adjust their
output voltage/current relative to the other, and this might not give desirable results. It might work though. One somewhat
larger capacity battery charger might be better.
P.S. Ok on your ground where you have your ground rods being really soggy. I never imagined it was quite that swampy
on your property, but I have never lived in swamp country. ;)
All the best...
Clarence:
Hello Void, a.king21, & ALL,
just a quick update so you won't think I fell off the earth. my supplies for installing SIX more ground rods as an
addition to the previous eight wont be in until Thursday of this coming week. I should have them installed and
ready for testing by Monday the 23 rd of this month.
In the meanwhile I have been testing the existing EIGHT ground rod return system to gain some type of reference data
to use against the newer 14 rod system when I get it installed.
I disconnected the Ground Grid System completely from the system as a whole. then I connected my Fluke 77IV Multimeter
to read DC voltage and connected the positive probe to the eight rod return source and the negative probe straight into the
earth soil and the indicator quickly started to rise and slowed and settled out at .400+ volts (I say plus + because I took
MANY readings, morning, noon, night, evening, midnight. etc. with the readings going to .420-.450-.430-.415-.470 and
points between) so I chose the LOW reading. All of this effort to get to a point!
I divided the .400 by the eight rods in the system providing the reading which gave an average of .05 DC volt potential per rod.
Now to explain where I was going with this process.
Since the B&L device was using 40 rods to have a fully capable and viable device OPERATING AT 220 VOLTS that would mean
that their system was receiving from the earth 40 X .05 = 2.0 volts as a low voltage carrier supply.
My system is A 120 VOLT SYSTEM so I should need roughly around a 1.0 volt low voltage carrier supply! (LOGIC)
AGAIN ROUGHLY that would equate to a 20 rod ground system that I should have for my system to be viable.
However I am ONLY going to add the six more rods at this time and compare the improvement to my system as it operates at this time.
I ALREADY KNOW THAT THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD VARIES GREATLY AT DIFFERENT POINTS ON THE GLOBE so don't
try to initiate that type of discussion with me because I won't answer you. that's WHY I said roughly!
Am looking forward to getting the 6 new rods completed and results tested -YES YES!
thanks and Cheers!
Clarence
[quote author=Void link=
P.S. Ok on your ground where you have your ground rods being really soggy. I never imagined it was quite that swampy
on your property, but I have never lived in swamp country. ;)
All the best...
[/quote]
Clarence:
Hello Void, a.king21, & ALL,
just a quick info update:
I just finished the installation of the SIX new ground rods to be connected to the open ended circuit of
the previous EIGHT ground rods which will give me a new ground return circuit of 14 earth rods.
my wire to MAKE the connections wont be in until tomorrow afternoon so I will be working late to get that done!
So I wont be able to begin testing for new results until Tuesday morning! that's life!!
Should be able to post some results by about noon Tuesday!
thanks and Cheers!
Clarence
Sounds good Clarence. Will be interested to hear how you make out with
the expanded ground rod grid system.
All the best...
I think this will interest some of you .. EM, and government research
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iMokLg9-eY#t=73
Quote from: skribat on February 24, 2015, 03:09:23 AM
I think this will interest some of you .. EM, and government research
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iMokLg9-eY#t=73
Thanks Scribat for reminding me as I know him for years as you can see on my (old) pages although never seen this interview ! http://view-tronics.com/mymindtwist/zpe.htm I agree with all the technical stuff he explains and he is sure far more intelligent then myself but then again what is ''intelligent'' LOL ;D Some people confuse it with successful ! ;D Anyway I absolutely do not agree with his ''governmental, patents etc'' solution as this will never work !? The ''RADIANT'' technology should be available to be build for all entities on this planet, meaning not being restricted or withhold by any person country or company.
Eventually what we are doing here is unstoppable for the powers that be because of the same facts like I wrote on my bike pages http://tesletic.view-tronics.com/projectinfo.htm When this really takes of the only way for them to get profit out of it is just make taxes on the roads and the air we breathe ! For example here in Spain you have to pay a tax if you use solar panels ! DUH yea I know unbelievable ! :o
Anyway this forum can make the difference that is for sure as I am waiting impatiently for Clarence findings...and thank you all. ;)
making you pay tax for collecting sunlight is IMMORAL, only an evil government would seek to deny a person's natural right to light. If it is like that now we must think how it might be if we permit AGENDA 21 and a Global government (World dictatorship).
Clarence:
Hello Void, a.king21, & ALL,
Have not been able to finish my connections as extreme cold ( VERY unusual here!) and rain has hampered my progress.
will make effort to finish to day and get some testing done.
Patience.
thanks - working on it.
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on February 25, 2015, 08:46:40 AM
Clarence:
Hello Void, a.king21, & ALL,
Have not been able to finish my connections as extreme cold ( VERY unusual here!) and rain has hampered my progress.
will make effort to finish to day and get some testing done.
Patience.
thanks - working on it.
Clarence
Clarence:
Hello & All,
Have not finished readings and testing yet but so as to not crowd too much info in one posting here is
some correct as I believe a GOOD 40 ground rod build should look like. and it is not anything as wild as the
40 rod system that B&L recommended. they said (supposedly) it covered a 30 METER by 50 METER area!
that is NOT realistic as far as the data I have in my personal computer ...WHICH IS ME!!...I have more data
stored inside me than my desktop computer has in it and it has over 1,000,000 files stored in it. anyway I KNOW that
most well known radiant energy people advocate a 2 meter space between ground rods which in USA terms MEANS 6 feet!!!!
I believe what B&L meant was FEET instead of METERS!
If you apply the 6 foot space rule to the 30 by 50 you come out with a 48 rod RETURN system and a 5 rod into ground system
which makes a hell of a lot more sense!
AND it takes up WAY less space to get the job done.
In the attachment you can drag one or both of the open end legs to the left or right of your property around either
side of your house as needed! just be sure to maintain the 6 foot space between rods and rows of rods.
Its that simple!
enough.
back to work.
thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Clarence:
Hello @ ALL,
this posting is to be considered with my previous posting concerning the 40 to 48 ground rod GROUND GRID SYSTEM
layout I proposed at that time. after having completed hours of testing and evaluation of results I am more than ever SURE
its a GOOD layout to follow AND one that is actually needed to succeed.
I spent all of last night using every configuration that came to thought with all of the build components that you have seen plus.
first let me say that the LAST SIX RODS I placed this last week W E R E an IMPROVEMENT!!!!
I had started off with just the 2 rod RETURN system from the earth but that only gave the capture circuit using the
ground leg as the circuit neutral leg an available voltage to load of 84-90 volts. NO GOOD!
next I decided to use a circle pattern of 8 rods. but that many rods only gave a neutral leg voltage to load 0f 110.7 volts. NO GOOD!
I did some reasoning and figured I needed a total of around 20 rods. I decided to do 6 more rods and see. total of 14 rods.
this time it gave me a voltage to load of 113 volts. GOOD but NOT QUITE ENOUGH! I need to do 6 to nine more!!!
I am fairly sure this will give me the background potential needed to avoid any more voltage drop to load.
before I started testing I had problems with my Trip Litte PR30 power supply. when I would power the system up with
the batt array and then use the system circuit to start the power supply the heavy load surge would kill the inverter immediately!
the lower battery voltage and the surge was just more than my 1000 W inverter can handle! So I decided to try the PR15 unit I thought I had fried.
after it had cooled down back then it was still OK! I tried it but all it would do is just make the inverter PULSE on and off. so I decided to power it by
my house mains as I did last time I tested!!! when I powered it up and started the inverter with the battery and then flipped the switch
on the power supply it hummed slightly but would not put out any voltage. the power supply internal over voltage switch was fighting
against the battery voltage. I turned the battery off and all was well! That is WHY it overheated way back there
I plugged a kill-a-watt first and then an outlet array into the capture circuit and plugged the red 250 watt bulb into the circuit and it started to
pulse off and on so I said to self 250 watts load is to much. the voltage on the kill-a-watt at the inverter showed 115 volts+-.
so I plugged my small battery charger in for a start load and went ahead and hooked it up to the battery array since it was off.
next I plugged a 36 watt CFL and the kill-a-watt I placed at the head of the circuit showed the voltage start to drop a little.
next I took my dremmel tool and hooked it into the circuit and turned it on wide open. the voltage on the capture kill-a-watt now showed 113 volts+-
at 204 watts. since I knew 250 watts was too much I stopped loading and settled for the 204 watt load. I also took the dremmel tool and tried to stop the
RPM but that did NOT happen and didn't bother the load voltage either. I let everything run as stated for 2 and 1/2 hours with no changes in voltages or watts
on the meters so I turned every thing off and stopped.
A GOOD improvement to my way of thinking. all in all it says the system does work!. I just need to meet the 20 rod pattern I previously figured on
plus a couple. also I know definitely that I need to up size my Inverter and I believe the PR15 can handle the load also.
also I need to tackle the problem of the power supply fighting the battery voltage................I can tell you how B&L DID IT!!!! when the problem came up for them
they simply switched to a UPS (uninteruptible power supply.............."NO-BREAK SYSTEM" as they called it). it did all the switching and monitoring for them
and has ALL the same components in it plus a capacitor and a few dedicated circuits and sensors! they put all THREE of the systems together for themselves
and came up with a winner! 1. UPS 2. Capture system 3. GROUND GRID SYSTEM .
NOTE: the ground grid lead DID show 1.8 amps and the capture loop went from 1.3 amps to 1.4 amps
again that says things are working the way they should!
thanks and cheers
Im tired!
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the detailed update. Ok on your new ground rod system results.
I wasn't quite clear how you had things hooked up when you ran for 2 1/2 hours. Were you
completely disconnected from the AC mains, and were you using the small battery charger to charge the
batteries in the loop?
It appears from some of your previous replies that you don't like it much when people offer suggestions,
so just ignore the following suggestions if you like. :)
IMO, it is quite sufficient in the beginning for your testing to just have no load other than the battery charger
charging the batteries. If you can have an ammeter continually measuring the current drawn from the batteries by the
inverter, and also have another ammeter measuring the current being supplied by the battery charger to the batteries,
I think that can help give a clearer picture how the system is behaving. If the battery charger is maintaining a charge current
to the batteries at close to what the inverter is pulling from the batteries, over several hours, I think that would be a good
achievement already. As mentioned before, a smart battery charger should work well for this application because it is specifically
designed to regulate its output based on the existing charge level on the batteries. I don't know if there would be an advantage of going
to the extra expense of a UPS, since a smart battery charger and some batteries is a similar arrangement. What are you thinking the
UPS might be able to do that a smart battery charger won't provide you?
All the best...
Quote from: Void on February 28, 2015, 01:39:28 PM
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the detailed update. Ok on your new ground rod system results.
I wasn't quite clear how you had things hooked up when you ran for 2 1/2 hours. Were you
completely disconnected from the AC mains, and were you using the small battery charger to charge the
batteries in the loop?
It appears from some of your previous replies that you don't like it much when people offer suggestions,
so just ignore the following suggestions if you like. :)
IMO, it is quite sufficient in the beginning for your testing to just have no load other than the battery charger
charging the batteries. If you can have an ammeter continually measuring the current drawn from the batteries by the
inverter, and also have another ammeter measuring the current being supplied by the battery charger to the batteries,
I think that can help give a clearer picture how the system is behaving. If the battery charger is maintaining a charge current
to the batteries at close to what the inverter is pulling from the batteries, over several hours, I think that would be a good
achievement already. As mentioned before, a smart battery charger should work well for this application because it is specifically
designed to regulate its output based on the existing charge level on the batteries. I don't know if there would be an advantage of going
to the extra expense of a UPS, since a smart battery charger and some batteries is a similar arrangement. What are you thinking the
UPS might be able to do that a smart battery charger won't provide you?
All the best...
Clarence:
Hello Void,
I was only using the small battery charger as a kind of varied load group to see what the circuit voltage drop might or might
not be and not for any other purpose. I just figured while it was running I would put it to good use during the testing period- no
other special reason. I chose the CFL for a light device and then chose a motor type device also just at random things.
after I included the dremmel motor I saw the total watt load was getting upwards towards the 250 mark so I stopped adding any other loads
and just let things run for a while to see if there were any great ups or downs - there wasn't so I shut it down.
my main purpose was to just see how loads would affect the circuit voltage! no drop would mean I had sufficient rods in the ground return
and a drop would mean I had not enough yet. this was the first time there was not a really drastic drop so I could tell I was getting close to the
amount of return rods I should have.
About the IMO thing -- bring em on! Its a free world last I heard. I guess age has made me a BLUNT person but I NEVER mean
to be disrespectful to anyone. most of the time when I say I wont talk about something simply means I just don't have the time
available to discuss a particular matter. my ass stays so busy its like one cat scratching dirt to take a poo and nine others searching for new ground.
IMO my power supply is similar to your smart charger they both have to be fed AC to make them operate to power the inverter and make the majic happen.
its just that my power supply doesn't like batteries AT ALL. a UPS system instantly switches the battery into a charge mode and powers the rectifier
in milli seconds-no fighting at all! Im serious, IF you have the time (and i'm not being ridiculous) enlighten me!
either by PM or open on the forum (probably better for others).
Lovin this forum gentlemen - it just keeps getting better!
thanks again and cheers
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the reply. Maybe I am misunderstanding how you have things
connected when you are running your tests. I was thinking that you are always leaving your
battery pack inline, with the battery pack running the inverter. The battery charger is constantly
charging the batteries to close the loop. This way the battery pack acts as a regulator to give the
inverter a fairly steady input voltage. By a smart battery charger, I mean just a battery charger that
automatically regulates its output current based on the battery's charge level. If the battery is fully charged,
the smart battery charger's output current is very low or zero. Is this what you were doing? See the
attached diagram for how I was thinking you are connecting in your circuit components.
All the best...
Quote from: Void on February 28, 2015, 06:51:42 PM
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the reply. Maybe I am misunderstanding how you have things
connected when you are running your tests. I was thinking that you are always leaving your
battery pack inline, with the battery pack running the inverter. The battery charger is constantly
charging the batteries to close the loop. This way the battery pack acts as a regulator to give the
inverter a fairly steady input voltage. By a smart battery charger, I mean just a battery charger that
automatically regulates its output current based on the battery's charge level. If the battery is fully charged,
the smart battery charger's output current is very low or zero. Is this what you were doing? See the
attached diagram for how I was thinking you are connecting in your circuit components.
All the best...
Clarence:
Hello Void,
the circuit you show is good! the problem is that my Tripp Lite PR15 is NOT a charger-it is a constant POWER SUPPLY
bench type that is SUPPOSED to be able to be used with a battery to help charge it so the company stated. but that is
not the case! it actually delivers a CONSTANT 13.8 volt supply as output. that's why I tried to use it as a constant 13.8 volt
supply is ideal for a 12 volt inverter.
however when I switch it on being powered by the inverter output it senses the battery voltage and wont put out
anything as it thinks it is over volting. at the same time the battery voltage stats fluctuating from 0 to all points
between 12 volts and that drops out the inverter! a UPS system eliminates any system chaos by switching every
thing apart from each other in milli seconds. I have searched in the past but I havent found any FAST smart charger
that has impressed me. I don't want to kick the system off with the batts fully charged and not have them kept that way.
no slow go charge wont get it!
Ill have to think about it awhile and see what to do. In the meanwhile FOR TESTING PURPOSES ONLY I will continue
to use mains supply to power the Tripp PR15. sometimes you cant stress things enough! ( OH MY GOD - hes using mains!)
If you have any view points - jump on in! the waters fine!
thanks again VOID.
cheers.
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Ok, I see. I am sure you will figure something out.
You are doing a great job.
All the best...
Quote from: Void on March 01, 2015, 12:10:16 AM
Hi Clarence. Ok, I see. I am sure you will figure something out.
You are doing a great job.
All the best...
HE DESERVES A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND A BIG THANKYOU for all his efforts and for sharing with the rest of us I'm sure that we will all soon recognise that making this open source will be seen to be a big step forward in the development of this type of energy system. He deserve a big hooray and at dinner tonight I will raise my glass and propose a toast to Clarence, for he's a jolly good fellow, and deserves our support and encouragement for the successful completion of this project. well done. .. skribat.
Quote from: skribat on March 01, 2015, 12:05:28 PM
HE DESERVES A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND A BIG THANKYOU for all his efforts and for sharing with the rest of us I'm sure that we will all soon recognise that making this open source will be seen to be a big step forward in the development of this type of energy system. He deserve a big hooray and at dinner tonight I will raise my glass and propose a toast to Clarence, for he's a jolly good fellow, and deserves our support and encouragement for the successful completion of this project. well done. .. skribat.
Clarence:
Hello skribat,
Thanks for your support and kindness!!!!
& @ ALL,
I am not thru yet until thru is DONE. I appreciate all of your support!
I am going to complete whatever rods it takes for the ground return system to maintain the same constant voltage the inverter puts out
to the B&L circuit with a satisfactory amount of load while doing it.
however be mindful that sometimes it takes me awhile to get things done because of time delay for funds or parts.
I will always continue to post new information as I obtain it and test it for viability. so never despair!
@ VOID
I believe I have found a remedy that will help me to keep and use my TRIPP LITE PR15. I will test my answer to see if it works way later today.
Thanks again gentlemen for your support!
CHEERS!
Clarence
Using the grid as the supply is ok as long as all things related to using it are considered.
1) With a grounded neutral and an RCD/safety switch in place the return current between the load and the supply through the ground trips the meter for safety to prevent possible death, If the RCD is bypassed or a circuit arranged to allow the return ground currents rather than using the neutral as the return then it's dangerous.
2) If you use the grid and an isolation transformer then the RCD tripping problem can be avoided. But as soon as one leg of the isolation transformer output is grounded to imitate a grid supply and a portable plug in RCD is used the same problem persists.
3) It is bypassing the neutral and using the ground to carry the return current that causes the in line energy meters to not read the true power.
4) Regardless of the supply type, weather or not the input and output power measurements are true and accurate is the main problem with this type of set up.
..
Quote from: Void on March 01, 2015, 12:10:16 AM
Hi Clarence. Ok, I see. I am sure you will figure something out.
You are doing a great job.
All the best...
Clarence:
Hello VOID,
I thought about it awhile and I found an answer and a good one for being able to use my TRIPP LITE PR15 to power the
Inverter I use in the B&L unit (Aims 1000W / 2000Wsurge). as I said I was useing mains supply to power the Tripp unit because
it would not work without having problems with the battery system since it was tied to the invertor input also. so I said Self - they
are just like humans - if they cant get along together then separate them!!! so thats what I did.
I had a small 300 GO_PRO inverter, so I took the batteries completely away from being in unison with the Tripp output and let
the batteries only serve to power the 300 Watt inverter and plugged the Tripp unit into that small inverter. I then attached the
out put posts of the Tripp unit to the 1000W inverter to power it directly. so now I had TWO separate systems BUT only connected together
through DC means. I realized ahead of time that I would have to provide a charging method for the batteries but this time there would
not be such a load on them and I could easily use the B&L capture output to power a proper size but not huge smart charger.
again a DC to DC connection but cross system. not having a smart charger on hand I decided to use one of my mini chargers and power it
temporary by mains (that dirty word again)
I got every thing ready to operate and i turned on the 300W inverter and then flipped the switch on the TRIPP LITE unit and it come on nice and quitely!
I took my clamp meter probes and attached to the leads at the 1000 W B&L inverter and it read a steady 13.8 volts! HOW SWEET!
I attached my multimeter probes to the battery supply post and it read 12.4 volts. I attached the mini charger to the posts also. I also took a 38 W
CFL and plugged it into the B&L capture system out put receptacle and it lit up brightly! Every thing was working and very quiet for a change! Beautiful!
I had already put the kill-a-watt meters every where so i took all the readings.
out put from 300W Go Pro: 60HZ...111.7 volts....0.84 amps...70.9watts
mains mini charger :60HZ...123.0 volts....0.22 amps...2.7watts
capture output light :60.1HZ...116.0volts...0.32 amps...22.0watts
after I took the readings 15 minutes had passed and I checked the battery reading and it was 12.0 volts, which makes me think that
a smart charger would not have trouble building the batteries and keeping them at a 12.++volt float level during system operation.
all of this proves to me this is the way to go - because I like the constant 13.8 voltage available to the inverter for the B&L capture system.
a low voltage make an inverter perform poorly and that's not my idea of good.
slowly getting the bugs out of the system but at least its defined progress.
when I up size to my larger inverter I will use the present Aims 1000W inverter to be the power in place of the tiny 300W unit. its really a
laugh but it was just for proof of concept.
Thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Hi Clarence:
You are a gem mate. The earth ground has some very strange properties. I can remember
many years ago when I was in Wyoming, I was hired to ride fence and repair any breaks. The
gent I was with made the mistake of grabbing two ends of a barbed wire strand to put them back
together and it gave him one hell of a jolt. Surface charge is very real and can be quite large.
In the hundreds of volts some times.
We need to remember that two voltages will have a difference between them. That equates
to a potential that will do work. The ground is at one level and your device is at another.
Keep on and thanks for shareing your findings allong the way.
Hi Clarence. Ok on your latest tests. I'll be watching to see how you make out if you
do further tests.
All the best...
Quote from: Void on March 05, 2015, 08:57:33 AM
Hi Clarence. Ok on your latest tests. I'll be watching to see how you make out if you
do further tests.
All the best...
Hello Void, & ALL,
the upsize equipment is coming in but it will take me a medium while to set up the new foot print on the platform for the build.
when its completed I will test and share the results as usual.
thanks and cheers.
Clarence
Hi all, did anyone get this also in the mail !?
------------------------------
Greetings.
About your post at
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/1020/
I have direct contact with Barbosa/Leal and am trying to replicate their technology.
Are you willing to start a dialog about that ?
Thanks. Best regards Thomas TS.
---------------------------------------------
Thanks Thomas ! I suppose we all do and I wonder if he could tell us what eventually happened to them and their confiscated material !? :-\
Quote from: Clarence on March 05, 2015, 10:15:21 AM
Hello Void, & ALL,
the upsize equipment is coming in but it will take me a medium while to set up the new foot print on the platform for the build.
when its completed I will test and share the results as usual.
thanks and cheers.
Clarence
Clarence:
Hello Void & ALL,
my new inverter and smart charger should be in by this weekend and then I can get busy again.
am still putting in a few more ground rods. have rec'd some more info about the rod spacing which
goes back to the PESN evaluation way back in the thread pages. bluntly, B&L themselves were using
just 1 meter ( 3 feet USA ) spacing between their ground rods. so I have attached a updated rod layout
that you can consider. it takes up WAY LESS footprint space than previously thought! and uses less
connecting wire also.
Hang in there.
Cheers.
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Ok on the ground rod grid layout.
Take your time mate. There's no hurry. This sort of thing takes lots of trial and error. :)
All the best...
Quote from: Void on March 11, 2015, 10:35:24 AM
Hi Clarence. Ok on the ground rod grid layout.
Take your time mate. There's no hurry. This sort of thing takes lots of trial and error. :)
All the best...
Clarence:
Hello Void & ALL,
My Xantrex smart charger won't be in until sometime between Monday 16th - Wednesday 18th.
I am more than ready to get back on the trail!
foremost on my mind is to establish the veracity of the device as the self powered unit system as it was claimed to be.
time will tell and i will post as usual!
thanks and cheers.
Clarence
Clarence, thanks for the info on the ground rod quantity and spacing. This was news to me and could invalidate their patent. If it works, you could file an improvement to their patent.
Quote from: a.king21 on March 16, 2015, 02:42:36 AM
Clarence, thanks for the info on the ground rod quantity and spacing. This was news to me and could invalidate their patent. If it works, you could file an improvement to their patent.
Clarence:
Hello a.king21,
as I understand their patent was NOT APPROVED because of FAILURE to complete all of the required data within a prescribed time limit!
now the device and all things pertinent to it are OPEN! in the full public domain and so whoever wants to produce it and sell to the public can do so!
the only remaining criteria is that you still have to KNOW HOW TO DO SO! that is why I keep posting my information on this thread.
as far as I know there are only three people globally who know how to implement it! TWO of them are BARBOSA and LEAL. I am simply doing it for MY own use
and that will not change.
Thanks and cheers.
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on March 15, 2015, 01:46:10 PM
Clarence:
Hello Void & ALL,
My Xantrex smart charger won't be in until sometime between Monday 16th - Wednesday 18th.
I am more than ready to get back on the trail!
foremost on my mind is to establish the veracity of the device as the self powered unit system as it was claimed to be.
time will tell and i will post as usual!
thanks and cheers.
Clarence
Clarence:
Hello Void & All,
I attached the new block schematic of my improved unit.
It will remain in this form for a long time As it is very simple! It has way less components and is therefore more cost effective!
It also Has produced a unit that IS SELF POWERING!!!!!!
at present I have found out today that my present 20 rod return grid is not cutting it! I have 10 more rods coming in tomorrow and
I will be installing these soon to bring my rod total to 30. after that I will test and post some info about both the components ID and
where to get them, etc.
I will get into the self powering aspect later also. for now just KNOW THAT IT IS VALID!
thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Haugh Big White Iowa Man !!
Tell us, did you achieved SELF POWERING in your schematic ?
I have watched tube video, replication BARBOSA-LEAL machine, from some Whie Man Savic where he shown 2.3 kWatts ouput at Water Heater with only one Torus Power Transformer. Why do you need two ?? Where is interrupter in your schematic ??? Why don't use Counter Face windings on one big Torus Power Transformer ????. He said BARBOSA-LEAL machine is the scalar reverse Tesla coil that draws free electrons from the soil and using Tesla resonance multiply their number and regulate output power. Make scalar reverse Tesla coil on big Torus Power Transformer. Windings should be Counter Face. But first put both of your transformers in Laundry Stack Antenna manner with Counter Face Windings.
Regards
Hunkpapa Lakota Sioux
All,
I have come up with a simplification equivalent for construction of the Captor transformer as used by Clarence. Please see
Clarence's Schematic two posts above this post. It should be easily possible to construct a full *300Watt* Captor transformer
using two 2 times new Weller D650 200/300 Watt Soldering Guns connected by small ID copper pipes, the guns pointing
tip to tip. I propose slipping the copper pipes over the nickel plated ferrules at the tips of the guns then soldering them
in place by swaging in the style of soldering copper water pipes. The use a harder higher temperature solder then normal
electronic circuits will insure that the joints will not come apart under moderate heating conditions. Use several dabs of
Silicone RTV sealant to prevent the copper pipes from shorting along their length. One would then add wiring to make sure
the trigger switches are wired into an always on position of the 300Watt setting as well as adding the flying wiring. Before
adding the flying wiring one could run a test that the unit forms a one to one .3KVA isolation transformer before proceeding.
I would suggest installing the ungainly unit on a piece of wooden back board and holding it in place with tie wraps around
the gun handles. Remove the small incandescent bulbs.
JBTOOLSALES.com - Weller D650 Solder Gun - $43.09 X times 2 = Total $86.18USD
http://www.jbtoolsales.com/weller-d650-300-200-watts-120v-industrial-soldering-gun/?gclid=CLKm5r3JtMQCFS1o7Aod3C0AGw
This is untested because I don't have access to a compatible ground array, but it should work. This should make it easier for
beginners to construct the Captor transformer as no toroids or wire winding are involved.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: Clarence on March 19, 2015, 12:29:32 AM
Clarence:
Hello Void & All,
I attached the new block schematic of my improved unit.
It will remain in this form for a long time As it is very simple! It has way less components and is therefore more cost effective!
It also Has produced a unit that IS SELF POWERING!!!!!!
at present I have found out today that my present 20 rod return grid is not cutting it! I have 10 more rods coming in tomorrow and
I will be installing these soon to bring my rod total to 30. after that I will test and post some info about both the components ID and
where to get them, etc.
I will get into the self powering aspect later also. for now just KNOW THAT IT IS VALID!
thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Clarence:
Hello Void and ALL,
I Have 5 of the ten new rods in and connected so far but I have been BUSY with all the spring to-dos so
that my time has been limited. will finish the other five rods and connections tomorrow.
I have finally taken photos of my completed built and have attached an appropriate photo that shows an overview.
it also shows the heat lamp working.
today I also powered the unit (minus the charger - battery - inverter ) by mains power as B&L demonstrated when
they did the 6000Watt lights.
the results were STUNNING TO SAY THE LEAST!! more on that later. I do believe it is going to be necessary for
me to go the full forty rod lay out to achieve a full constant 120v - 122v rms voltage under several loads at a time.
today I DID run my microwave on high for 1 minute intervals several times and vaporized the water I had in a jar!
more on that later also.
just really wanted to post so that you wouldn't think I fell off the earth.
Cheers
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update on your progress and latest testing.
That's a nice professional looking layout as well. Good work!
All the best...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4
ok ,did any of you read what is Marc Belanger commenting in this video
Quote from: turbogt16v on March 24, 2015, 08:56:15 AM
ok ,did any of you read what is Marc Belanger commenting in this video
Hi turbogt16v. Yes, that is a given. That is why the only valid test of this sort of device which relies
on an earth ground is to power it from a battery and use an inverter. If you have the mains connected in
there in any way there is always the possibility of an earth ground loop.
All the best...
In the UK, if you pump the ground with hot electricity and attempt to complete the circuit through the ground, the circuit breakers will trip. If you bypass the circuit breakers with your own system you will power your device.
However the electric meter is smart enough to see the current drain.
In my experiments I powered a 2 kw kettle through the ground loop but it appeared to be drawing only half the power. It also took twice as long to boil the water.
I did not bother to go any further as the only way to really test the Barbosa Leal idea is to use batteries and an inverter.
When I tried that, I failed to gain any extra energy.
Clarence's Set-up definitely gets the Good Houekeeping Seal of approval for being a medium power stable OU loop design.
We will withhold judgment on where the power really comes from in detail, but in many ways the OU gain reactor
could be any device. This loop circuit is something that is seldom seen, but should be everyone's goal and that should
be appreciated. His battery charger can handle up to 256VAC so this should handle most spikes and will probably fold-back
if it can't
I recommend that during some early La. thunderstroms that he watch the captor output voltages carefully, as they can really stir things
up. A small radio receiver is available that can detect local lightning storms and could be used to take circuits offline, if need be.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on March 26, 2015, 03:56:30 PM
Clarence's Set-up definitely gets the Good Houekeeping Seal of approval for being a medium power stable OU loop design.
We will withhold judgment on where the power really comes from in detail, but in many ways the OU gain reactor
could be any device. This loop circuit is something that is seldom seen, but should be everyone's goal and that should
be appreciated. His battery charger can handle up to 256VAC so this should handle most spikes and will probably fold-back
if it can't
I recommend that during some early La. thunderstroms that he watch the captor output voltages carefully, as they can really stir things
up. A small radio receiver is available that can detect local lightning storms and could be used to take circuits offline, if need be.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Hello :s:MarkSCoffman & ALL,
Clarence:
thanks for your gracious support Sir. I have really enjoyed being a member of this forum and this thread. your protective thoughts and also those
of member Farmhand awhile back are not lost. I have incorporated into my circuitry a known
commercial available Lightning Arrestor-surge device known as SDSA1175 series 002 surge protective device 120/240 V , 3-WIRE by SQUARE D .
At present I am in the process of installing 30 more ground rods to achieve the needed continous voltage being received from the Ground in the
amount of 120v -123.1v to balance the phase voltage of the same amount the larger Aims inverter puts out. this amount of CONTINOUS voltage
out put is necessary to be able to handle many loads at the same time by the OUT PUT of the Captor circuit.
the last ten ground rods I just put in raised the output level of the RETURN Ground Grid system by a total of 11.1 volts giving a present total useage of
111.1 volts. enough to lite the heat lamp and power the charger enough to keep the battery at a steady voltage of 12.2 v DC. all of this (even at this lower voltage)
POWER is being SUPPLIED BY THE CAPTOR OUTPUT! If you can comprehend what I am trying to say it is this: this unit IS an OU unit and it IS self powering ITSELF!
I am going with the 30 more rods ( for a total 0f 60 rods ) to finally get out of the game of having to play catch up to have ALL the potential necessary to run
several large loads at the same time.
presently I have run an extension cord and powered my microwave (small cup of water heated), my high power blender machine ( at 500 watts), and just briefly my refrig.
I had by being a dumb ass WAY to small leads from the charger to the batt and they would get warm! too much resistivity! so I ordered and received the proper
LARGE ring connectors and soldered them with the #4 AWG size wire leads and changed out the small leads! now the charger JUMPS into action when
the Captor powers it. ( that is REALLY a NICE unit! )
I will be back in about a week with more news after I finish the new rods!
I am getting down to the end of this build and when I do then maybe some of you can replicate it! all the relevant info is in the - say last 5 pages.
thanks and cheers for now!
Clarence
Congratulation is in order
I truly believe that you manage to get OU.
It would be great if someone would make some nice scheme with specs,for others to replicate easy.
btw,kapanadze used salted water to moist the ground near the rods
Awesome work Clarence! I'm not sure what sort of amps your charger is putting out but if you want to really maximize what gets to the battery you might want to pick up some 4/0 or 2/0 welding cable sometime down the road. It might be overkill but you won't loose anything on cables. :)
Quote from: e2matrix on March 27, 2015, 11:36:45 AM
Awesome work Clarence! I'm not sure what sort of amps your charger is putting out but if you want to really maximize what gets to the battery you might want to pick up some 4/0 or 2/0 welding cable sometime down the road. It might be overkill but you won't loose anything on cables. :)
Clarence:
Hello e2matrix, & ALL,
appreciate your thoughts Sir. in about a week when I post my final info for my build I will include a final schematic which will match to the final photo for everyone's ease
of building their own unit.
also I will give an exact list of all the components I used and the source I obtained them from. that way all who are in ernest about building their own unit can do so with ease
and reap the rewards of their efforts. after this last posting I will be out and down from posting! it has been a GREAT ride! I appreciate the forums thread with its ability to share with ALL the interested members
along the way. now that spring is here I have TONS of work to catch up on the farm. I will still receive my regular notification when some one makes a new post so I will always monitor those Items
and if someone has a question I will answer gladly.
BTW: the charger has an out put ability of 20 amps. and they have the same type unit with larger amp outputs also!
Later! Cheers!
Clarence
Hi Clarence,
I have been following your research and progress in this project since weeks ago, and I am glad you have archieved finally success with the modified B&L circuit. Congratulations to you, Sir!
In my effort of initiating the replication of your build, I came up with a question, and after reviewing the last 5 pages of posts I could not find the corresponding answer, so I will place it here. Please help me as I am very interested in installing the system to power some appliances at my home, and thus reducing my electricity bill statement!
I have found toroidal cores for Audio Amplifiers in the market, are they suitable for this circuit? Or is it necessary to have toroidal transformer cores for this purpose? If I scale up the watts outputs of the circuit, say to 5KW, do I need bigger toroidal cores, and more windings?
Thanks in advance for your help, Clarence, and we appreciate very much your interest in publishing the information you have gotten so far.
aaron5120
Quote from: aaron5120 on March 27, 2015, 11:03:43 PM
Hi Clarence,
I have been following your research and progress in this project since weeks ago, and I am glad you have archieved finally success with the modified B&L circuit. Congratulations to you, Sir!
In my effort of initiating the replication of your build, I came up with a question, and after reviewing the last 5 pages of posts I could not find the corresponding answer, so I will place it here. Please help me as I am very interested in installing the system to power some appliances at my home, and thus reducing my electricity bill statement!
I have found toroidal cores for Audio Amplifiers in the market, are they suitable for this circuit? Or is it necessary to have toroidal transformer cores for this purpose? If I scale up the watts outputs of the circuit, say to 5KW, do I need bigger toroidal cores, and more windings?
Thanks in advance for your help, Clarence, and we appreciate very much your interest in publishing the information you have gotten so far.
aaron5120
Clarence:
Ill be blunt . you did not find it because as I said I would not post ALL of the final info until next week!
However you have requested and I will answer.
you will need EXACTLY what you see in my last photo. go any other route and you will just shoot yourself in the foot!
I am attaching the photos of the toroids (SPECIAL ORDERED BY ME IN THE PAST) they will handle it ALL!
When you speak to the people at BridgePort Magnetics, INC ask to speak with MICHAEL KHARAZ . give him the toroid description in the attachment
as it is shown. he will have this information on file from my past orders. you WILL need TWO of them!!!
I have attached the photos of the tool you will need to PREWIND the secondary coil.
after you have prewound the coils then slide roll them thru the center and around the toroid. PAY ATTENTION to the PHOTO attachment of the
completed secondary wound toroid! if it is not EXACT like the photo shows you shot your self in the foot again! both toroid HAVE to be identical!!!!
then when you SPIN ONE of them to face the other they will line up correctly!!! the two top wires will connect to each other by a split bolt connector
of #4AWG size. the two bottom wires will connect to each other with a #4AWG split bolt connector of #4AWG zize. you should be able to get COPPER
split bolt connectors at your local hardware store. Co to PACERGROUP.com site in Florida and click on the battery cable by the Ft catagory. Get 7-8 ft
of the BLACK #4AWG tinned battery cable wire. it takes 3 1/2 ft to prewind each secondary coil.
I have attached a photo of what the toroids will look like when you receive them from Bridgeport Magnetics ready for YOU to wind the secondary on each one!
I have attached a picture of how to make the wood tool for prewinding . I used scrap 2 x 4 wood.
this size unit will handle whatever your needs are I believe. however you and others will find that there is some DEFINITE work to achieving the final end results!!!
however the completion of the two looped toroids IS a MAJOR step. all it takes to power these toroids at idle is about 0.06 amps at about 7.4 watts and that doesn't deviate very much
whenever the unit is operating loaded or unloaded.
The amperage on the #4 AWG loop is about 1.3 amps on mine at idle and then climbs slowly as new loads are added. the rise should get to about 60 amps only after MAJOR loads at the same time have been added.and 60 amps is not hard on A #4AWG wire in my opinion. if you want to go to #2AWG just do it . its not a major event at all. the procedure is the SAME!
IMPORTANT UPDATE: aaron5120 no one to date has grasped the fact that this unit with just the toroids in looped secondary coil format and the full SIXTY ground rod installation (4 rods input - 56 rods return ) can simply be powered LEGALLY by plugging the toroids and the phase / neutral as shown in a previous schematic into any mains outlet receptacle and get the SAME type of results B&L
demonstrated in their first you tube video ( which has now been taken down ). THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID!!! and I have recently done the same thing MYSELF!!! you CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT THE GROUND RODS IN PLACE FIRST!!! I verified my results with my KILL-A-WATT meters I always use in my circuits. the results were stunning to say the least. you get about 80% useage power through
the GROUND system to whatever load you place but ONLY USE ABOUT 20% power consumption through the mains system you use!!! so until you can get enough funds to obtain the battery and charger and the inverter you can just use the mains method and reduce your mains bill by about 80% as soon as you build. however do NOT bragg about it to your utility Company because you will be reducing their revenue from you by 80% and they sure won't like it ! in the mean time you can complete your build and finally get free.
example - I powered my unit (without charger, Battery,inverter attached at all) and plugged my microwave unit into my build output to load .........KWM meter read 15.5 amps at 1604 watts and the mains KWM SHOWED 2.2 amps at 268 watts. about an 80/20 relationship.
Cheers!
enough for now!
Later!
Clarence
To try to save Clarence some typing and drawing, I am including some info on the main components
that I believe Clarence is using in his current setup (although this could change), and I am also including
a schematic drawing.
Any errors in the following info and drawing are my own.
@Clarence, when you get some time, can you let me know if there are any errors in this info and drawing?
==========
Toroids:
==========
Bridgeport Magnetics
Website:
http://www.tortran.com/standard_isolation_transformers.html
Contact:
Michael Kharaz
E-mail: sales@bridgeportmagnetics.com
http://www.tortran.com/contact.html
Custom ordered toroid (2 required):
TD300-1120-P, 300VA, 60Hz, Primary 120V, 160 degrees winding on toroid surface, no secondary winding - $125 USD each
==========================
==========================
Smart Battery Charger:
==========================
Xantrex TrueCharge2 Battery Charger - 20Amp model
Website:
http://www.xantrex.com/power-products/battery-chargers/truecharge-2-2.aspx
Xantrex Dealers list:
http://www.xantrex.com/contacts/where-to-buy.aspx
Available from Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Xantrex-804-1220-02-TRUECharge2-Parallel-Stackable/dp/B001G7CZRM
Looks like the price is around $260 to $300 USD - depending where you order from.
Minimum recommended battery bank size for use with the 20Amp Charger model: 40 Ah
==========================
===========================
12V Pure Sinewave Power Inverter
===========================
AIMS POWER 3000 Watt 12VDC Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter - Model: PWRIG300012120S
Website:
http://www.aimscorp.net/3000-Watt-Pure-Sine-Inverter.html
Available from:
InvertersRUs - $699 USD
http://www.invertersrus.com/aims-pwrig300012120s.html
Amazon - $799 USD
http://www.amazon.com/AIMS-Power-PWRIG300012120S-3000W-Inverter/dp/B00IQHT8UM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1427550722&sr=8-2&keywords=Aims+3000W+pure+sine+wave+inverter
==========================
Hello Void,
How do I get hold of you to send a schematic correction to you?
Clarence
Hi Clarence, I sent you a PM. All the best...
Hi Clarence,
Many thanks for your detailed reply, and I apologise for interrupting your farm job! Now we have enough info for advancing the replication of your build.
Regarding your suggestion of being low profile to the utility company and being progressive in substituing the mains power supply step by step, I will do it like you said, since I do not want any legal problem with the local power company either.
Thanks again for giving us this precious information from your experimentation. God speed, and we look forward to having more ideas to be shared here in the future from everybody.
aaron5120
Have you looked at the phase relationship between voltage and current with a 'scope? I suspect that you are creating a massive phase difference, which appears as a power gain; the power companies will not like a load like that and the rods have little or nothing to do with it all.
Quote from: memoryman on March 28, 2015, 11:46:05 PM
Have you looked at the phase relationship between voltage and current with a 'scope? I suspect that you are creating a massive phase difference, which appears as a power gain; the power companies will not like a load like that and the rods have little or nothing to do with it all.
@ memoryman:
its WAY past "scope " time ! and your statement about the rods is NOT true or accurate either!
go back to page 40 and reread the PESN evaluation which is a RECOGNIZED international organization (not private ).
Their evaluation was POSITIVE in ALL areas!
I'm sure that their evaluation equipment included a lot more than just a SCOPE and was of a higher quality than all
the members on this thread combined!
NUFF.
Clarence
Hi all. Ok, I discussed with Clarence, and the attached schematic should match
Clarence's current circuit wiring setup. If you have any questions on the schematic, you
can direct them to Clarence and he should be able to help you out, if he is not too busy.
This new revised schematic shows the inverter's AC output divided into two sets of wires from two plugs,
(or you can also use terminal strips), but I believe Clarence's inverter is only producing one phase, so it is
still just one phase out of the inverter, but just divided into two sets of wires to match the way Clarence has it wired.
You can see Clarence's hand drawn schematic posted recently to see how he wired into terminal
strips on his actual test board, and other specific details to his build.
Maybe when Clarence gets his ground rod grid finalized, Clarence can post a drawing to show
exactly how he has laid out all the ground rods and connected them together.
All the best...
"its WAY past "scope " time" Why? are you afraid of what it may tell you?
"and your statement about the rods is NOT true or accurate either!" How do you KNOW that without accurate measurements?
"go back to page 40 and reread the PESN evaluation which is a RECOGNIZED international organization (not private )." PESN is not known for its scientific accuracy; SA has no clue about measuring.
"Their evaluation was POSITIVE in ALL areas!" Of course it was; SA will always believe claims of OU, no matter how ridiculous.
"I'm sure that their evaluation equipment included a lot more than just a SCOPE and was of a higher quality than all the members on this thread combined!" again, how do you KNOW that?
Quote from: Clarence on March 28, 2015, 01:58:20 AM
IMPORTANT UPDATE: aaron5120 no one to date has grasped the fact that this unit with just the toroids in looped secondary coil format and the full SIXTY ground rod installation (4 rods input - 56 rods return ) can simply be powered LEGALLY by plugging the toroids and the phase / neutral as shown in a previous schematic into any mains outlet receptacle and get the SAME type of results B&L
demonstrated in their first you tube video ( which has now been taken down ). THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID!!! and I have recently done the same thing MYSELF!!! you CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT THE GROUND RODS IN PLACE FIRST!!! I verified my results with my KILL-A-WATT meters I always use in my circuits. the results were stunning to say the least. you get about 80% useage power through
the GROUND system to whatever load you place but ONLY USE ABOUT 20% power consumption through the mains system you use!!! so until you can get enough funds to obtain the battery and charger and the inverter you can just use the mains method and reduce your mains bill by about 80% as soon as you build. however do NOT bragg about it to your utility Company because you will be reducing their revenue from you by 80% and they sure won't like it ! in the mean time you can complete your build and finally get free.
example - I powered my unit (without charger, Battery,inverter attached at all) and plugged my microwave unit into my build output to load .........
KWM meter read 15.5 amps at 1604 watts and the mains KWM SHOWED 2.2 amps at 268 watts. about an 80/20 relationship.
Hi Clarence. Those are interesting results for sure. However whenever the mains is connected into this sort of circuit
which makes use of earth ground connections, there is always a chance that ground loops back to the
mains are a factor. There should be a simple way to test this exact same setup however without the mains
being in the picture at all. If you get a chance sometime, I'd be really interested to hear what you get
for power measurements in Watts, and also the Power Factor (PF) reading if possible, on both the input and output
power kill-a-watt meters, when connected in as shown in the attached connection diagram. If you can
get the same sort of readings when using your battery and inverter to power the circuit, that should take
ground loops back to the mains right out of the picture. Please note that the input power meter is connected before
the input ground connection to the neutral, so as not to have the ground wire looping around the kill-a-watt meter.
All the best...
Quote from: Void on March 29, 2015, 01:09:30 AM
Hi all. Ok, I discussed with Clarence, and the attached schematic should match
Clarence's current circuit wiring setup. If you have any questions on the schematic, you
can direct them to Clarence and he should be able to help you out, if he is not too busy.
This new revised schematic shows the inverter's AC output divided into two sets of wires from two plugs,
(or you can also use terminal strips), but I believe Clarence's inverter is only producing one phase, so it is
still just one phase out of the inverter, but just divided into two sets of wires to match the way Clarence has it wired.
You can see Clarence's hand drawn schematic posted recently to see how he wired into terminal
strips on his actual test board, and other specific details to his build.
Maybe when Clarence gets his ground rod grid finalized, Clarence can post a drawing to show
exactly how he has laid out all the ground rods and connected them together.
All the best...
Hi Clarence and all!
Thank you very much for sharing your great work with us! :)
I have a question about the ground 'inducer' (see image) Does it is 'open ended' as shown on the schematic or it is connect on itself? i ask cause it seem to be on the photo of your unit...
Thank you for the eventuel answer. And apologise if for someone it is seem evident...
ps: dont worry about the septic one; if they whant the best answer about their question, they just have to build it!
Quote from: memoryman on March 29, 2015, 10:01:04 AM
"its WAY past "scope " time" Why? are you afraid of what it may tell you?
"and your statement about the rods is NOT true or accurate either!" How do you KNOW that without accurate measurements?
"go back to page 40 and reread the PESN evaluation which is a RECOGNIZED international organization (not private )." PESN is not known for its scientific accuracy; SA has no clue about measuring.
"Their evaluation was POSITIVE in ALL areas!" Of course it was; SA will always believe claims of OU, no matter how ridiculous.
"I'm sure that their evaluation equipment included a lot more than just a SCOPE and was of a higher quality than all the members on this thread combined!" again, how do you KNOW that?
@ memoryman:
your statement about FEAR is just as ridiculous as the rest of your conversation.
my SCOPE is the ACTUAL ACHIEVED results OFF GRID of my BUILT UNIT!!!!!
MY ground rods have been TALKING TO ME through THEIR performance!!!! HA. HA.
you should simply put a BUILD where your mouth is and then you can SCOPE all you want to!!!!
until then know that I won't waste my time answering your useless conversation again!!!
Clarence
My goodness, the strong reaction to simple words.
I strongly suspect (but can only verify by actual measurements on site) that what you are doing is both illegal and dangerous.
Kill-a-watt devices do not always give accurate results.
You can ignore my posts if you want, but going to jail and/or paying hefty fines for what you are doing is probably not what you want.
I admire your experimentation and am helping another experimenter although I know that he is wrong about what he is doing.
The best of luck Clarence. (you'll need a lot if you continue this way)
Quote from: wistiti on March 29, 2015, 11:27:27 AM
Hi Clarence and all!
Thank you very much for sharing your great work with us! :)
I have a question about the ground 'inducer' (see image) Does it is 'open ended' as shown on the schematic or it is connect on itself? i ask cause it seem to be on the photo of your unit...
Thank you for the eventuel answer. And apologise if for someone it is seem evident...
ps: dont worry about the septic one; if they whant the best answer about their question, they just have to build it!
HELLO wistiti,
it is indeed a pleasure to hear from you sir! I am sorry the the schematic was not exactly clear on that point you brought up. THAT is indeed my fault for not catching that!!
Your question is valid indeed and I can answer you vividly by the attached photo of that very place in the build and it should help clear this up. by word I can say that the #6 AWG ground
return is looped around the Captor black wire loop 2 1/2 turns and then continues on while being reduced to #10 AWG size straight to the terminal strip that acts as the load point for
whatever loads may be placed.
I apologize for having made that difficult Sir!
as always I will answer members valid question gladly.
hope this takes care of the problem.
thanks and cheers.
Clarence
Quote from: Void on March 29, 2015, 11:23:27 AM
Hi Clarence. Those are interesting results for sure. However whenever the mains is connected into this sort of circuit
which makes use of earth ground connections, there is always a chance that ground loops back to the
mains are a factor. There should be a simple way to test this exact same setup however without the mains
being in the picture at all. If you get a chance sometime, I'd be really interested to hear what you get
for power measurements in Watts, and also the Power Factor (PF) reading if possible, on both the input and output
power kill-a-watt meters, when connected in as shown in the attached connection diagram. If you can
get the same sort of readings when using your battery and inverter to power the circuit, that should take
ground loops back to the mains right out of the picture. Please note that the input power meter is connected before
the input ground connection to the neutral, so as not to have the ground wire looping around the kill-a-watt meter.
All the best...
Hello void,
your testing diagram would NOT be correct in the manner that I would test it!
where you show an open ended dangling wire with the wire effect being diverted at a point prior to the ground return loop is not valid.
the induced effect has to continue STRAIGHT through the circuit to have the maximum effect intended and that is the way I will test
it in order to prove the point you desire.
I have learned the hard way not to take short cuts as they will always come back to bite you.
take a look at the photo I sent to wistiti a short while ago.
Again Void THANK YOU for your extreme VALUABLE help Sir!!!!
thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on March 29, 2015, 12:13:37 PM
by word I can say that the #6 AWG ground return is looped around the Captor black wire loop
2 1/2 turns and then continues on while being reduced to #10 AWG size straight to the terminal strip
that acts as the load point for whatever loads may be placed.
Hi Clarence. I can see where the confusion is, as when I look at your attached photo it looks like
'config 1' in my attached drawing, but it sounds like from your description that you are actually
doing as shown in 'config 2' in my attached drawing? Or is it neither? ;D
Edit: Actually taking a closer look at your picture, I guess it is wired as 'config 2'? I had to look more closely... ;)
P.P.S.
I have attached pics of how B&L showed it in their patent drawing, and how you showed it in your
own hand drawn schematic. It would be good if we can clear this up. If you are doing 'config 2', then
that actually seems to make more sense to me, and it may be that B&L obscured this on purpose in
their patent drawing to try to hide the details of how they are actually doing it.
All the best...
Thank you sir!
Much more clear for me!
Quote from: Clarence on March 29, 2015, 01:04:53 PM
Hello void,
your testing diagram would NOT be correct in the manner that I would test it!
where you show an open ended dangling wire with the wire effect being diverted at a point prior to the ground return loop is not valid.
the induced effect has to continue STRAIGHT through the circuit to have the maximum effect intended and that is the way I will test
it in order to prove the point you desire.
I have learned the hard way not to take short cuts as they will always come back to bite you.
take a look at the photo I sent to wistiti a short while ago.
Again Void THANK YOU for your extreme VALUABLE help Sir!!!!
thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Hi Clarence. You are taking my drawing too literally. ;) It is just a quick and rough sketch. The main point was about
measuring the input and output power using a battery and inverter as the supply, and making sure the power meters are
not bypassed by ground wires, not about the specifics about how you have the captor loop wired. No worries mate. It is just
a suggestion if you are so inclined to show that when the mains is taken right out of the picture, whether you still get the same
performance or not. I posted in another reply above about getting clarification on the way you have the ground wire wrapped
around the captor loop wire....
All the best...
Quote from: Void on March 29, 2015, 01:06:03 PM
Hi Clarence. I can see where the confusion is, as when I look at your attached photo it looks like
'config 1' in my attached drawing, but it sounds like from your description that you are actually
doing as shown in 'config 2' in my attached drawing? Or is it neither? ;D
Edit: Actually taking a closer look at your picture, I guess it is wired as 'config 2'? I had to look more closely... ;)
P.P.S.
I have attached pics of how B&L showed it in their patent drawing, and how you showed it in your
own hand drawn schematic. It would be good if we can clear this up. If you are doing 'config 2', then
that actually seems to make more sense to me, and it may be that B&L obscured this on purpose in
their patent drawing to try to hide the details of how they are actually doing it.
All the best...
Hello Void,
the correct way is the "config" 2 method. actually the confusion IS MY FAULT and I bear the responsibility for that!!!
my photo to wistiti shows the correct way. however as you duly pointed out my previous schematic back on page 70 it shows my SCREW UP.....I was thinking one
thing and drew some thing else!!! I apologize to you and the members for that carelessness. let be known to all members that the "config" 2 illustration by Void is
the correct way to go!!!!
I also think that your observation about the lack of complete disclosure by B&L is quite possible. I had worked with quite a few circuit arrangements at that time before
I got the present arrangement to work - and then LO & BEHOLD!
am glad to be at this point with the "off grid" build where I can finish the rods install - make final valid tests and back off for awhile!
however there is STILL work to be done.
this at present is only a single phase 120 volt power unit. For USA residential use it has to adapted into a 120/240 system to be complete.
for EURO use it needs to be adapted into a 220 volt 2 phase and 3 phase version.
so the party is not over by quite a bit. also the larger power modules have to be shown. so after awhile pull up your pants and hang on.
my rods are really gonna be rocking- - and rolling - doing belly bumps - doing some HIGH CLAMPS jumps and voltage knee jerks etc.
HA. HA.!
thanks and cheers.
Clarence
Hi folks!
Just to make shure i understand it well; does this drawing is ok Clarence?
thank you!
Quote from: wistiti on March 29, 2015, 05:30:52 PM
Hi folks!
Just to make shure i understand it well; does this drawing is ok Clarence?
thank you!
THIS IS OK!
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Ok, thanks for the clarification on the way you have that ground wire
run around the captor loop wire. The web software I used to create the schematic doesn't allow me
to go back and edit the drawing, so I patched the schematic in Paint. A little rough, but it should do. ;)
This revised schematic should now match the way Clarence has his ground wire wired in at the captor loop.
Good luck with the testing Clarence!
All the best..
Thank's freinds!
:)
Hi guys!
One other question.
What is the spect of the ground rod (lenght, diameter and material...)
Thank again!
Quote from: wistiti on March 31, 2015, 01:22:55 PM
Hi guys!
One other question.
What is the spect of the ground rod (lenght, diameter and material...)
Thank again!
Hello wistiti,
glad to answer sir,
the rods are called copper bonded ground rods.
they are 8 foot long.
they are 5/8 inch diameter.
any local hardware should stock them.
you will need to get one of the brass oblong 5/8 diameter wire clamps to go with each rod.
I have attached a photo to show what I am doing with them.
cheers
Clarence
Thank you Clarence!
Again, it is a clear answer. :)
Where I live (Canada) we have to wait until the end of April, maybe May before the snow leaves the ground...
But I learn by building and I will surely give it a try!
Please continue to let us know about your findings.
Sincerly!
Hello old man Clarence :)
What a nice copper rods for primary of Big Tesla Transformer. :)
Why don't you build one, and make Lahovsky coil for health treatment !!
You are really prospecting for Tesla Telluric Currents isn't you?? Is it your case i think you shoud break symmetry of equidistant potentials in Iowa ground. Simple - spark it up - spark ground - strike it strongly !!
Make a strong arc sparks using welding machine and see yourself. This is a real setup of professional welder with his experiment in which he was shocked with very high current keeping in one of his hands heavy amps welding cable well insulated while sparking transformer with other hand(glove) with welding electrode. Current shock has blocked his arm long time after strike. He has lucky and his both arms are OK.
In my oppinion Barbosa and Leal for sure have some kind of spark gap/s and for sure did high voltage or high current sparking of their Tor transformer. Try it maybe you have a luck !!
ps: Don't keep heavy amps cable in your hands !!
Regs from Russia.
Enjoykin
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 01, 2015, 11:47:21 PM
Hello old man Clarence :)
What a nice copper rods for primary of Big Tesla Transformer. :)
Why don't you build one, and make Lahovsky coil for health treatment !!
You are really prospecting for Tesla Telluric Currents isn't you?? Is it your case i think you shoud break symmetry of equidistant potentials in Iowa ground. Simple - spark it up - spark ground - strike it strongly !!
Make a strong arc sparks using welding machine and see yourself. This is a real setup of professional welder with his experiment in which he was shocked with very high current keeping in one of his hands heavy amps welding cable well insulated while sparking transformer with other hand(glove) with welding electrode. Current shock has blocked his arm long time after strike. He has lucky and his both arms are OK.
In my oppinion Barbosa and Leal for sure have some kind of spark gap/s and for sure did high voltage or high current sparking of their Tor transformer. Try it maybe you have a luck !!
ps: Don't keep heavy amps cable in your hands !!
Regs from Russia.
Enjoykin
HA! HA! HA!
1. their is absolutely NO spark gap nor ANY necessity for one in this build.
2. I have SUCCESS in this build their is no need for any waste such as so called luck.
3. I am presently using my build to power some of my common house hold appliances that I choose!
NUFF
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on March 31, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Hello wistiti,
glad to answer sir,
the rods are called copper bonded ground rods.
they are 8 foot long.
they are 5/8 inch diameter.
any local hardware should stock them.
you will need to get one of the brass oblong 5/8 diameter wire clamps to go with each rod.
I have attached a photo to show what I am doing with them.
cheers
Clarence
Hello wistiti,
by the way, I forgot to mention to you that the small dirt trail that you see in the photo I showed to you is a small
3/4 inch by 4 inch trench to bury the connecting wire in after attaching it with the ground clamp and then finishing
driving the rod and attached wire down into the 12 inch hole I made at each rod location. that way I have the tops of the rods
4 to 6 inches below the surface of the ground and they are never in the way! then I just scoot the dirt pile into the hole to finish each location.
the MAIN enjoyment I had in doing all of this preparation for rod installation was using my sons small TROY BUILT electric tiller with just one tiller blade
left on it to make that slit for the wire to go into --------and I USED MY POWER UNIT TO POWER THE TILLER UNIT and I was laughing all the time
I was doing it!!!!!!!!!!!! NO PROBLEM DOING SO AT ALL!!!!!!! HA! HA! HA! OH the JOY of it!!!!
thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Hi Clarence,
Thanks for sharing such clear information about your test setup. I have been following this thread closely and with great interest. I plan on testing this setup myself as soon as I can find the time. The information you have provided will be very helpful.
Best Regards,
LS
Quote from: lasersaber on April 02, 2015, 07:09:02 AM
Hi Clarence,
Thanks for sharing such clear information about your test setup. I have been following this thread closely and with great interest. I plan on testing this setup myself as soon as I can find the time. The information you have provided will be very helpful.
Best Regards,
LS
Hello Lasersaber,
you are definitely NOT an unknown AND an appreciated fellow that I have admired and followed for years. you have been demonstrative and successful in a mega of useful devices that I have witnessed!
the most encouraging thing about this device is that it just simply works.
within a week I should have finished my new rods and subsequent testing in this 120 v mode.
next I will adapt it to a 120/240v mode for practical residential usage. then I will build and display some larger Capture modules for more KW usage.
A main basic appeal of this unit is that it is just low voltage 50/60 HZ international application----something that ALL the world can use for a change.
Although its on the B&L thread I would really like to get away from that terminology and name it EGS-PEG ...........EarthGroundSelfPoweredElectricalGenerator (also EX_PECt to get something
out of it HA! HA! )
no mans names involved including my own.
when ever you decide you want to replicate or better it, you simply jump on it! you will never see any tears in my eyes or frown on my face!
I rather hope ALL members will do it!
in the meantime I value your support Sir!
BTW: I remember "the Good Doctor: Lirpa Sloof" HA! HA!
Clarence
Hi Clarence
Great job. Thanks for all your explanations.
Do you think that we can use 750W microwave oven transformers instead of your toroids ?(300W)
Quote from: cheors on April 02, 2015, 09:50:24 AM
Hi Clarence
Great job. Thanks for all your explanations.
Do you think that we can use 750W microwave oven transformers instead of your toroids ?(300W)
Hello cheors & ALL,
to be blunt - NO! been there done that!!!! P-POOR results!!!!!
The BEST AND ONLY GOOD RESULTS nowdays strictly come from using ferrite toroid transformers.
I have noticed on this thread that MANY members want to try to use a heapy-cheapy way real quick to try and "GET SOMETHING DONE" .
all they accomplish is shooting themselves in the "FOOT"!!!!!!
It is NOT " my way or the highway attitude " is simply a case of reality!!!!
the INHEIRENT values within the ferrite toroid IS what produces the RESULTS everyone is looking for!!!!
I just can not seem to get the point across to members for some reason.... its beyond me why????
B&L THEMSELVES used a TOROID even though at first it was a salvaged IRON core toroid they then wound themselves!!!!!
PURPOSELY I have stayed as exactly as close as I could get to B&L's desisgn so I could achieve like results!! AND I have.
stay as very close to my unit and you will have their same results!!!! deviate as you will and know you are going to have the effect of SHOOTING
YOURSEL IN THE FOOT!!!!!
Whatever! HOWEVER I am mindful that you ASKED! and that is the reason I have been BLUNT! I would ALWAYS rather try to HELP someone who asks for help.
thanks to you sir and cheers!
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on April 02, 2015, 05:18:27 AM
HA! HA! HA!
1. their is absolutely NO spark gap nor ANY necessity for one in this build.
2. I have SUCCESS in this build their is no need for any waste such as so called luck.
3. I am presently using my build to power some of my common house hold appliances that I choose!
NUFF
Clarence
Hello old man :D
HA HA !!
Loop it - Loop your build without accum.battery and battery charger. Show us OU !!
Rectify output and power-up your inverter !! Show us Self-Runner - and you will be OU-Hero in Iowa and U.S. :D Record a video of your build.
If you are using your accum.batterfy how much long can your build run with maximum load ??
1hour ?? 10 hours ?? 31 days ??
Reg.
Clarence,
Yes please try to loop or not be attached to your house mains in any way.
I had an experience several years back with an open source OU water heater project [sonic boiler]
which I could not get working properly I was doing a verification/replication for some one in Europe and then he told me I had to put outside ground rods like you are doing ,but one side connected to
my house mains.
I had a very bad feeling that this was not really OU and dropped that path.
seemed like I was actually doing something like this,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return
as I recall he told me to wet the ground rods too..
if it turns out you are truly tapping energy that no one else is paying for
I will share the details of that experiment here [MUCH simpler]
??
respectfully
ChetKremens@Gmail.com
Quote from: Clarence on April 02, 2015, 10:28:59 AM
Hello cheors & ALL,
to be blunt - NO! been there done that!!!! P-POOR results!!!!!
The BEST AND ONLY GOOD RESULTS nowdays strictly come from using ferrite toroid transformers.
I have noticed on this thread that MANY members want to try to use a heapy-cheapy way real quick to try and "GET SOMETHING DONE" .
all they accomplish is shooting themselves in the "FOOT"!!!!!!
It is NOT " my way or the highway attitude " is simply a case of reality!!!!
the INHEIRENT values within the ferrite toroid IS what produces the RESULTS everyone is looking for!!!!
I just can not seem to get the point across to members for some reason.... its beyond me why? ???
B&L THEMSELVES used a TOROID even though at first it was a salvaged IRON core toroid they then wound themselves!!!!!
PURPOSELY I have stayed as exactly as close as I could get to B&L's desisgn so I could achieve like results!! AND I have.
stay as very close to my unit and you will have their same results!!!! deviate as you will and know you are going to have the effect of SHOOTING
YOURSEL IN THE FOOT!!!!!
Whatever! HOWEVER I am mindful that you ASKED! and that is the reason I have been BLUNT! I would ALWAYS rather try to HELP someone who asks for help.
thanks to you sir and cheers!
Clarence
Good stuff Clarence - love the replies and your mindset on all this. It is likely a good part of why you are having success with this.
A little thought on putting those copper rods in the ground .... Not sure how you are getting them into the ground unless it is with your farm machinery but the last time I put an 8 foot rod in ground it took me an hour of pounding with a 6 pound sledge. One suggestion I was able to use another time may help as long as you have a good water supply (I didn't have that when I had to pound it into the ground) : get a 8 or 10 foot piece of 3/4" sch. 40 pvc pipe and PVC glue adapters on it so you can attach it to a hose. Put a cap on the other end with a hole in it (or you may try without one) and turn on the hose full pressure to make yourself a water drill. It worked quite well the time I tried it. Forget it though if you are in California ;)
Hey old man Clarence !!
This is a snapshoot from video i have took last year from Tube from some Serbian guy who has succesfully replicated Barbosa and Leal OU-generator. He got OU 43. I took 4 videos. His channel was wiped-out very soon after his last video. What's happened with him i don't know. Maybe he was also wiped.
This is his explanation about Barbosa transformer.:
"Heating via Barbosa transformer. Heater power is 2150W and consumption from the mains 49.5 W. Note that the scalar reverse Tesla coil and the impact on the climate and the living world around him, not yet examined. This scalar device draws free electrons from the land and resonance multiply their number by the rising strength of the stretch marks on the output device. "
He used only one big Ferrite Tor transformer.
Old man why don't you try his setup ??
ps: Looking this and many similar buids i thinik that Oz-guy Chris Sykes (hyiq.org) was right about opposite coils (partnered coils) in his explanation as a source of Scalar Magnetic Field. 2nd field was officialy classified as secret - because is a SOURCE OF FREE ENERGY. Remember that Professor Stevan Marinov has been killed in Austria few days before International conference in Germany about Scalar Fields and presentation of his OU-Marinov motor.
ps2:
What is very interesting is 100% builds use ferrite transformers - many Tor shape and others EI shape. Does it work with soft iron, steel, copper, bronze, silver, gold and other metals - instead ferrite cores ??
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Hi Enjoyjin!
This is not true , the man did a false power reading. >:(
I know people visit him, leavingthe place with long face!
Ther was no loop device in Serbia, this particular you are showing was not!
He wipe the channel because it was not a working one.
Regards
Hi Clarence!
Thanks for updating us on you build, and I hope you will proceed no mater
what will be written on the forum. :D
I have I question, can you provide more detail data in you transformer cores,
so it can be ordered from Europe, the shiping from Usa is very expensive! ;)
Regards 8)
hi enjoykin, in great mother russia they didnt teach good manners?
Hello mrzlica
How do you know ?? How can you be sure ?? You even did not seen or tested his buid.
And what about if some @Man in Black@ has visited him and give him a hint "shoot up your mouth -delete all videos and don't make similar mistakes or ..........".
Open your mind and free widely and freely !!
ps: You can't be sure never. Only if you buid it and want to say a TRUTH !!
reg.
Enjoykin
Quote from: pedroxime on April 02, 2015, 12:33:32 PM
hi enjoykin, in great mother russia they didnt teach good manners?
hi pedroxime
maybe your great mother U.S. didn't teach your governement good manners - to not steal and classify more than 5 600 FREE ENERGY patents ? Ask about your great papa NSA - maybe he told you ! 8)
Yes we agree on something,
we have to build it our self to know for sure. ;)
Sorry to all on the forum for this unnecessary posts from me.
regards, to all
Hey mrzlica no need to be sorry - this is an open forum and friends conversation !! :)
Why i have shown snapshoot of that Tor transformer and winding directions ??
Some time ago - maybe month or more i have uploaded some pictures of Russian OU builder with almost exactly Tor transformer configuration on old TV ferrite-core and same opposite winding directions. Man has got more than 360 Watts free energu on output. And he shown it. He gave schematic and hints how to wind. So many people used same ferrite cores and same kind of winding and they got OU. This is not simple coincidence - i would tell a OU-RULE. :D
overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy
Quote from: mrzlica on April 02, 2015, 12:23:39 PM
Hi Clarence!
Thanks for updating us on you build, and I hope you will proceed no mater
what will be written on the forum. :D
I have I question, can you provide more detail data in you transformer cores,
so it can be ordered from Europe, the shiping from Usa is very expensive! ;)
Regards 8)
Hello mrzlica,
the transformer cores are ferrite round toroids as you can see by past photos.
they are 4 5/8 inch outside diameter.
the inside diameter is 2 1/2 inch.
the wall thickness 1 inch.
the wall height is 1 5/8 inch.
my supplier refers to it as a 300 toroid whatever that could mean.
the primary is wound to specs for 120 volts at 2.5 amps.
I specified that the primary windings ONLY COVER 160 degree area of the outside circular area.
this was to assure that there was no interference between the primary circuit operation
and the Captor circuit operation and they have ALWAYS performed greatly.
again as always ---valid question will be answered.
Cheers.
Clarence
I have mentioned that for any type of OU device which makes use of the mains AC supply
and which also uses an earth ground connection at the load or elsewhere as an important part
of achieving 'over unity', that a very real possibility exists for having a ground loop from
the earth ground on the device back to the mains. This is because the mains neutral wire is
connected directly to earth ground at the service box, and possibly also at the power pole in
many countries.
In the B&L device which Clarence has been testing with, the hot (L) wire is connected directly to
one side of the load, and the other side of the load is connected to earth ground. If you are powering
using the mains, then you will have a ground loop from the mains hot (L) phase wire, through
the earth ground connection on the load, and then back through the soil back to the service panel where
the neutral wire is connected directly to earth ground. For this reason, for the B&L device Clarence has been testing
with and for any similar sort of device setups using earth ground, you really have to test with a battery and inverter
for the AC power source. If you have a really good earth connection at the load, and good soil conductivity,
you can actually supply a lot of power to the load from the mains, and it may not show up on your power meter.
This can be very misleading if you aren't aware of the potential for mains ground loop issues, but this problem can
be easily avoided by using a 12V battery and inverter instead of powering from the mains.
Also, with this particular B&L design, you actually have an earth ground connected to the neutral wire at the input of the
device as well, so that will make a much shorter path back from the load earth ground to the neutral through the soil.
See the attached drawings for clarification. It will depend on what country you live in, and how they run the
power wires to houses and buildings in your area, but this warning about ground loops back to the mains
will likely apply to many countries. A good rule of thumb is if you are making use of earth ground as an important
part of an 'OU device' for trying to produce OU, then use a battery and inverter for the power source
if you need to power with 120/240 VAC, and you can avoid this ground loop problem altogether.
Basically for the B&L device with the hot (L) wire connected directly to the load, if you are powering with the mains
you can't determine anything in regards to over unity for the device because of the ground loop issue.
Using a battery and inverter as the power source will avoid this problem.
All the best...
The best thing to do is what Clarence has done. Keep the utility ground and the array ground as totally separate
entities.
If you have developed your system totally separate and let's say you want to use a grid interconnection inverter to sell
this power back to the utility, you would put a one-to-one turns transformer of lets say 4KVA rating (large) between the two
systems for galvanic isolation purposes. The utility would then buy back all the power available 24/7 from the intertie
inverter. By recording how much power you sell back you have an excellent record of what your system is capable of
doing at maximum power on a continuous basis.
If you plan to continue selling power back to the utility in the long term, you will need an agreement. And as has been
suggested it makes sense to keep these Captor systems "low profile" relative to your local utility. These type devices
may be fun to play with, but they really don't "solve" anything. As you will notice what happens to the IR bulb when there
is a wide spread power outage affecting your location.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on April 02, 2015, 08:56:39 PM
The best thing to do is what Clarence has done. Keep the utility ground and the array ground as totally separate
entities.
If you have developed your system totally separate and let's say you want to use a grid interconnection inverter to sell
this power back to the utility, you would put a one-to-one turns transformer of lets say 4KVA rating (large) between the two
systems for galvanic isolation purposes. The utility would then buy back all the power available 24/7 from the intertie
inverter. By recording how much power you sell back you have an excellent record of what your system is capable of
doing at maximum power on a continuous basis.
If you plan to continue selling power back to the utility in the long term, you will need an agreement. And as has been
suggested it makes sense to keep these Captor systems "low profile" relative to your local utility. These type devices
may be fun to play with, but they really don't "solve" anything. As you will notice what happens to the IR bulb when there
is a wide spread power outage affecting your location.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Hello MarkSCoffman,
MY intent is NOT or EVER to sell one D... amp BACK to ANY utility company. I despise them all.
I do NOT get ANY current or voltage from them AT ALL!!!! to start with!!!!
I am NOT so called" tapped " into them in ANY manner whatsoever and you NEED to get over that delusion!!!!!
"fun to play with , but they really don't "solve" any thing " is RIDICULOUS to say the least!!!!!
Clarence
Hi Clarence!
Strange they dont understand you run it completly out of the grid... Only with a 12v lead acid battery and a 120vac inverter ...!
Anyway, i have (again) some question!
With the setup you have now (near 60 ground rods) when it is running in loop , what is the max load you can put on it?
Other question, the ground "captor" seem to be the key. But do you think we must have a high power inverter or just adding ground rod will be find? (Meen nead 100w inverter to drive 100 w load + selfloop or we can drive bigger load than the "inverter driving part" is rathing for??)
Again, thank you!
Hi Void,
In the same way as the ground loop situation you describe may well apply to Clarence's device, I also think this may well be the basis of Kapanadze's 'box' setups.
Hi Clarence,
Thanks for your quick answer.
I was checking the company which produce your transformers, but I can't find any power ferrite ones.
The one mentioned in your invoice seams to be ordinary laminated toroid transformer ( core 60Hz).
Nothing special about them, or I'm missing something? :o
I just want to be clear on the captor part and don't get it in the leg, like you mentioned. ;D
transforem link TD 300:
http://www.tortran.com/standard_designs_117v_60hz.html (http://www.tortran.com/standard_designs_117v_60hz.html)
have a nice day ;)
Clarence: re Void's and Hoppy's comments.
There is one thing you have to watch out for.
Most inverters DO NOT have an isolation transformer between battery input and mains output.
This means that if you plug into your household appliances, you have to make sure that they are independent of your house mains. IF you simply hook your inverter into your mains wiring, it will cause a ground loop with your grounding rods.
I know because I inadvertently looped my inverter in one experiment.
Anyway congratulations, and remember, that having gotten this far, you are bound to get more attention from the community.
Quote from: mrzlica on April 03, 2015, 03:35:03 AM
Hi Clarence,
Thanks for your quick answer.
I was checking the company which produce your transformers, but I can't find any power ferrite ones.
The one mentioned in your invoice seams to be ordinary laminated toroid transformer ( core 60Hz).
Nothing special about them, or I'm missing something? :o
I just want to be clear on the captor part and don't get it in the leg, like you mentioned. ;D
transforem link TD 300:
http://www.tortran.com/standard_designs_117v_60hz.html (http://www.tortran.com/standard_designs_117v_60hz.html)
have a nice day ;)
Hello mrzlica'
I have attached again the copy of my invoice from Bridgeport Magnetics for the type and design of the toroid transformer that I use from them.
it will definitely help when you speak to them to use the old invoice number shown AND the complete description of what is shown as listed in the
wording of the part description.
when you say laminated that implies that is a METAL toroid made of laminated sheets of METAL and not ferrite material as mine are.
I know from experience that sometimes it is hard to get across to these people what you are wanting. I also experienced that scenario too way back at the beginning.
that is why I say to give the description and my old Invoice number because they ALREADY have this data on file within their records and they can just CLICK to it!
hope that helps.
thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Quote from: a.king21 on April 03, 2015, 04:14:40 AM
Clarence: re Void's and Hoppy's comments.
There is one thing you have to watch out for.
Most inverters DO NOT have an isolation transformer between battery input and mains output.
This means that if you plug into your household appliances, you have to make sure that they are independent of your house mains. IF you simply hook your inverter into your mains wiring, it will cause a ground loop with your grounding rods.
I know because I inadvertently looped my inverter in one experiment.
Anyway congratulations, and remember, that having gotten this far, you are bound to get more attention from the community.
Hello a.King21,
whenever I use one of my household appliances as a test load it is totally unplugged from ANY source of mains all together!
my unit is not connected in ANY way to a mains source and never will be FOREVER! with the completion of all of my new ground rods
any need for such a connection totally vaporized!!! and will remain that way!
I understand what you are saying completely AND I DO APPRECIATE your concern AND support. we go forward together in like minds.
Thanks again and cheers!
Clarence
Clarence
I had not realized you are completely running off grid with these setups.
You have given me a great pause to think about past experiences which I disregarded as mistakes.
thank you for all you are doing, I am quite close to the supplier in CT and will be
collecting the bits and pieces for a replication.
Thank you
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Quote from: wistiti on April 03, 2015, 01:21:53 AM
Hi Clarence!
Strange they dont understand you run it completly out of the grid... Only with a 12v lead acid battery and a 120vac inverter ...!
Anyway, i have (again) some question!
With the setup you have now (near 60 ground rods) when it is running in loop , what is the max load you can put on it?
Other question, the ground "captor" seem to be the key. But do you think we must have a high power inverter or just adding ground rod will be find? (Meen nead 100w inverter to drive 100 w load + selfloop or we can drive bigger load than the "inverter driving part" is rathing for??)
Again, thank you!
Hello Wistiti,
when I have adapted the unit to 120/240 volt mode I expect a 12 KW load usage or larger. time will tell.
as I see it you need a fairly large inverter to assist in implementing the voltage from the earth along with the amperage supplied through the
captor loop to power loads. I would expect the ratio to be somewhere around 80/20, earth/captor : inverter.
again time will tell and the OU community will have the answer as well. that's what I keep working towards and for my personal use as a first.
The whole world keeps looking for free energy! actually there's no such thing!
my unit , with rods and all components wasn't free at all . it cost money AND a hell of a lot of effort and TIME. the components wont last forever
so there will be up keep to consider over time also!
its called LIFE and it keeps ticking along with OR without us!! HA! HA!
thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on April 03, 2015, 05:05:53 AM
Hello a.King21,
whenever I use one of my household appliances as a test load it is totally unplugged from ANY source of mains all together!
my unit is not connected in ANY way to a mains source and never will be FOREVER! with the completion of all of my new ground rods
any need for such a connection totally vaporized!!! and will remain that way!
I understand what you are saying completely AND I DO APPRECIATE your concern AND support. we go forward together in like minds.
Thanks again and cheers!
Clarence
Clarence,
You say you are running completely off the mains (no connection to live or neutral). What ampere rating are your batteries that power your inverter?
If there is no such thing "free energy" - why than so many brilliant researchers and inventions were killed by oil-barons mafia ?? 8) List of names is so long......
I bet - next oil-barons move will be "Copper Rod Bill" for every copper rod pricked in ground. 8)
and than "Sun Bill" for every Sun Ray Light...... 8)
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 03, 2015, 07:16:08 AM
If there is no such thing "free energy" - why than so many brilliant researchers and inventions were killed by oil-barons mafia ?? 8) List of names is so long......
I bet - next oil-barons move will be "Copper Rod Bill" for every copper rod pricked in ground. 8)
and than "Sun Bill" for every Sun Ray Light...... 8)
Do you have proof that anyone was killed because they had a free energy device?. You first have to prove they had a free energy device-->that now puts a stop to that-dosnt it.
Will any accurate power measurements be taken soon by !anyone! that is working on this B&L contraption?,or are we all racing off to buy copper rod's ::)
Sorry guy's,but WTF.
Havnt you all been through this before--->buy,buy,buy,,build,build,build-->end result 0
So far i see another lightbulb OU device-->im waiting for the super bright LED's to show up any time soon.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 03, 2015, 06:00:30 AM
Clarence,
You say you are running completely off the mains (no connection to live or neutral). What ampere rating are your batteries that power your inverter?
If Clarence wants to talk about the battery he is using, I would be interested hearing. Automobile sized batteries are from 50Ah to 80Ah
and go up to 120Ah to 150Ah for larger size all at 12VDC. Ah = "ampere hours" when you multiply Ah 12.0Vdc you get units of watt hours.
Battery voltage is variable though, so this conversion is only approximate. So you are talking in the area of ~1KWH total per battery.
One of the secrets of Clarence's success is that his new battery charger is really smart and can float a battery that is being charged
from a second source without damaging it. Lead/Acid batteries hate deep discharges and they hate being left in a partial state
of charge and so his battery charger will attempt to resolve those conditions as fast as possible. Acid/Lead hate these conditions
much more than Lithium batteries and these can really shorten the Acid/Lead batteries lifetime.
Batteries are manufactured as classes for a certain fixed duty, so for this service you want...if your battery
wears out prematurely try...
"120AH"
"Deep Discharge capability"
"Non-Engine starting battery (rated in CCA)"
"12Volt, Golf Cart service"
use "flooded acid/lead" with the caps or use VLRA/AGM sealed batteries not Gel Cells
Golf cart service sounds anomalous but being able to handle mechanical impacts and having
the internal lead parts be very robust is important. Plus these batteries are often abused during
recharging so if you don't abuse them they will work out well.
Most Battery chargers are designed to handle supercapacitors, so if you don't care about
hold-up after main power failure you can use those in place of batteries. Again it the behavior
of the super battery charger that saves the day, it is really the DC supply to be using in this
instance.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: Hoppy on April 03, 2015, 06:00:30 AM
Clarence,
You say you are running completely off the mains (no connection to live or neutral). What ampere rating are your batteries that power your inverter?
Hello Hoppy,
I only use ONE battery at present and it is an AC DELCO brand #48PG -770 cold crank amps - 70 AmpHour . I power the XANTREX TRUE CHARGE 2 by the OUTPUT of the Captor!
the charger KEEPS the battry charged and thus self powers the unit!
Thanks and cheers.
Clarence
Quote from: mrzlica on April 03, 2015, 03:35:03 AM
I was checking the company which produce your transformers, but I can't find any power ferrite ones.
Hi mrzlica. I summarized the info on the toroid and inverter and battery charger in the following post.
There is a link to the webpage which has the info on the toroids that Clarence is using as well.
Reply #1058:
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg444124/#msg444124
All the best...
Quote from: Hoppy on April 03, 2015, 03:24:45 AM
Hi Void,
In the same way as the ground loop situation you describe may well apply to Clarence's device, I also think this may well be the basis of Kapanadze's 'box' setups.
Hi Hoppy. To be clear, the mains ground loop issue should only be an issue for the B&L device if it
is being powered from the mains. If it is being powered from a battery and inverter then
the mains should not be a factor at all in the power that the device is producing.
The only way that I can see that Kapadnadze could have been making use of the mains is if he had
a hidden wire from his device to the mains hot wire, but people who have seen Kapadnadze's device
up close seem to have confirmed that there are no hidden wires. Just the earth ground wire(s). If you
just have one wire running to earth ground from the device as in the 'aquarium' device, I can't see any way
that you could be powering from the mains.
All the best...
Quote from: Clarence on April 03, 2015, 09:51:29 AM
Clarence
QuoteI power the XANTREX TRUE CHARGE 2 by the OUTPUT of the Captor!
the charger KEEPS the battry charged and thus self powers the unit!
So to be clear,you are saying you have a self running device?.
Quote from: tinman on April 03, 2015, 10:40:16 AM
So to be clear,you are saying you have a self running device?.
Hello tinman,
It is the unit that says YES. the unit says so by it's performance.
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on April 03, 2015, 10:57:01 AM
Hello tinman,
It is the unit that says YES. the unit says so by it's performance.
Clarence
Sounds great.
How are you measureing the units performance?.
Quote from: Void on April 03, 2015, 10:21:10 AM
Hi Hoppy. To be clear, the mains ground loop issue should only be an issue for the B&L device if it
is being powered from the mains. If it is being powered from a battery and inverter then
the mains should not be a factor at all in the power that the device is producing.
The only way that I can see that Kapadnadze could have been making use of the mains is if he had
a hidden wire from his device to the mains hot wire, but people who have seen Kapadnadze's device
up close seem to have confirmed that there are no hidden wires. Just the earth ground wire(s). If you
just have one wire running to earth ground from the device as in the 'aquarium' device, I can't see any way
that you could be powering from the mains.
All the best...
Hi Void,
Of course you are right in the case of Kapanadze, assuming there is only one wire to the system and that being from earth ground. However, that is a big assumption, given that any other wire would have been very well concealled. ;)
I would like to know what voltage Clarence measures between his mains neutral and earth ground, with his device totally disconnected from earth ground.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 03, 2015, 12:06:24 PM
Hi Void,
Of course you are right in the case of Kapanadze, assuming there is only one wire to the system and that being from earth ground. However, that is a big assumption, given that any other wire would have been very well concealled. ;)
I would like to know what voltage Clarence measures between his mains neutral and earth ground, with his device totally disconnected from earth ground.
HELLO Hoppy,
It is beyond me WHY? people cannot get it through their HEADS that my unit IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANY MAINS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET A GRIP!!!!
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on April 03, 2015, 12:27:26 PM
HELLO Hoppy,
It is beyond me WHY? people cannot get it through their HEADS that my unit IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANY MAINS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET A GRIP!!!!
Clarence
Yes, I am fully aware that you have made it very clear that your system is not in any way connected to the grid. However, I am still interested in the voltage measured between your ground earth array and your grid neutral.
Hello Clarence,
Congratulations on your success and thank you sir for sharing your design with everyone. Your selfless generosity is admirable and should be an example for everyone.
If it's not too much trouble can you tell us what voltage you are getting from your 30 rod ground system by itself? I'm curious to see how it's changed from your 8 rod system and if you are still averaging .05 volt DC per rod.
Also how many of the 30 rods are connected 'to ground from the system' and how many are connected 'return to system' ?
Thank you
Quote from: Hoppy on April 03, 2015, 12:44:01 PM
Yes, I am fully aware that you have made it very clear that your system is not in any way connected to the grid. However, I am still interested in the voltage measured between your ground earth array and your grid neutral.
Hello Hoppy,
thats simple. its the same as the rms voltage across the phase/neutral of the captor output.
they balance. at present it only reads 120.4 with just the 30 rods. more rods equal higher voltage.
that why I am bring up my rod total to 60 rods to get it up to the inverter rms of 122.2 and still have
LOADS of potential left to carry loads and not drop voltage any more.
measurements mean the world to measurementalists but they do NOT interest me. RESULTS do.
if i were going by measurements I would still be back blowing in the wind instead of where I am.
Clarence
Haha, I like it - measurementalists! Not needed if you are looped! I think what some here are still wondering is whether you have enough load running off grid that it is not just the battery providing the power. With the single battery you have I can't imagine that lasting long at all without being charged a lot if you have even a few appliances going. I've got a 4000 watt programmable Trace/Xantrex Inverter running off a bunch of batteries and it won't last much more than a day or two without getting the batteries recharged (a few big golf cart batteries but many others are marginal). That inverter I have says it is 96% efficient and in my experience it is at least that. It has a built in charger so I'm not sure if I could use it for this setup - might need an external one. Biggest problem for me is getting time away from the other half's plans for us - which always seem to take priority over any building projects :( But this is on top of my project build priority list as of now ...
Quote from: Clarence on April 03, 2015, 01:25:28 PM
Hello Hoppy,
thats simple. its the same as the rms voltage across the phase/neutral of the captor output.
they balance. at present it only reads 120.4 with just the 30 rods. more rods equal higher voltage.
that why I am bring up my rod total to 60 rods to get it up to the inverter rms of 122.2 and still have
LOADS of potential left to carry loads and not drop voltage any more.
measurements mean the world to measurementalists but they do NOT interest me. RESULTS do.
if i were going by measurements I would still be back blowing in the wind instead of where I am.
Clarence
Thanks for your reply.
So, you have 120.4V between your earth ground array and your mains grid neutral! That would suggest to me that what you take as a grid neutral connection is in fact live - a phase! Your grid neutral to earth ground voltage measurement should be very low.
Quote from: e2matrix on April 03, 2015, 02:05:06 PM
Haha, I like it - measurementalists! Not needed if you are looped! I think what some here are still wondering is whether you have enough load running off grid that it is not just the battery providing the power. With the single battery you have I can't imagine that lasting long at all without being charged a lot if you have even a few appliances going. I've got a 4000 watt programmable Trace/Xantrex Inverter running off a bunch of batteries and it won't last much more than a day or two without getting the batteries recharged (a few big golf cart batteries but many others are marginal). That inverter I have says it is 96% efficient and in my experience it is at least that. It has a built in charger so I'm not sure if I could use it for this setup - might need an external one. Biggest problem for me is getting time away from the other half's plans for us - which always seem to take priority over any building projects :( But this is on top of my project build priority list as of now ...
Hello e2matrix,
a pleasure Sir. the Xantrix smart charger that I have is a REAL TIGER on a leash as far as i'm concerned. the last thing I do when I am running my unit is to take ALL the loads off and then let it charge up the battery to its limit for the charger which is 14.47 volts and then the charger goes into silent float mode. its fan continually runs when it is operating in all of its modes except for float. no problem to me but others may not like it. whatever, I say.
after I shut the inverter off and the unit is not running I always check the FALL BACK value that all batteries drop back to when they are idle. with this one its always 13.3 volts. whenever I restart the unit its BEGIN voltage rate is always around 12.5 to 13 volts.
I always have the charger plugged into the Captor output so when I turn on the inverter the OLE TIGER leaps into action and starts bulk charging the battery from say 80% to 100% back and forth and sometimes lower....just doing its thing.
I have kept the unit running UNLOADED just to see if it would keep the battery charged and actually self power the unit. Did this recently and let it run this way for 2 1/2 hours and id DID keep the battery at 12.1 to 12.2 volts doing its little dance back and forth for this amount of time. told me all I needed to know! WHY would I say that-----at this time I only had 30 rods in the ground and the limited voltage
WHILE powering the CHARGER was 111.1volts! not the 120 plus volt the charger really needed fed to it by the captor system! yet it still kept the battery cruising right along IN SPITE of (at that time )
my dumb ass having the TOO small # 10 AWG wires connecting the to the battery charger. YEP they got warm! note that this was in effect was putting socks on OLE TIGER! coulnd't quite run up to speed
but GOT THE JOB DONE ANY WAY! I have since changed the wires to #4AWG and everything runs cool.
so when I finish the rest of my rods soon the captor voltage WITH loads should stay around a steady 122.2 volts same as the phase in the inverter.
NEVER let anyone think installing these rods was an easy chore!!! It wasn't and Isn't.
Thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Quote from: Hoppy on April 03, 2015, 03:24:06 PM
Thanks for your reply.
So, you have 120.4V between your earth ground array and your mains grid neutral! That would suggest to me that what you take as a grid neutral connection is in fact live - a phase! Your grid neutral to earth ground voltage measurement should be very low.
Wrong again!
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on April 03, 2015, 03:44:52 PM
Wrong again!
Clarence
OK, so what voltage do you have between mains grid neutral and your earth ground array?
Quote from: Clarence on April 03, 2015, 12:27:26 PM
HELLO Hoppy,
It is beyond me WHY? people cannot get it through their HEADS that my unit IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANY MAINS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET A GRIP!!!!
Clarence
The Same story's came measurementalists!
I put some months ago some of my tests about this subject and ear the same things, putting all the problems with measurements,
people forget that kind of tests need expensive equipment and actually, for the most is only a hobby and some curiosity , so the fact of share their experiences without anything $ involved is to be welcomed.
Actually i thank to Clarence by their experiments with ground , because i live in apartment and is impossible make some this tests , so i thank for the tips ;) about yours tests with ground disposal.
Clarence did a good job with their tests and only share to help people that want study this circuit (Barbosa) .
People have only to learn with their experience and evolve with that to make better and better.
Of course some people will achieve some results but much of people will fail ! Because only try to copy ideas from others without lead by own practice observation. This is the most important !
Lot people even know or understand the main concept of the circuit so only by luck or grace of God will achieve something.
Without observation and practical study the people never will go far .
I will give you a tip Clarence , about two things that i observed in my own tests:
About the Ground rods:
If you improve the contact area of ground like a radiator or a large sheet you will see how results will improve.You need a large contact to balance The distributed capacity in circuit, because ground and the connection act like a capacitor plate , think about that !
The other thing is about the dc ac invertor process:
You have a good equipment actually like the dc ac invertor , but to improve the output result you need to raise the frequency of the commutation process and that is limited in your dc ac invertor in mosfets and frequency main circuit, because the main frequency circuit have 2 states in commutation of inductor transformer:
positive pulse and negative pulse but is needed to be only a positive pulse square wave .
You need a "home made special dc ac inverter" in input , that will work in main resonance with their "transformer" generating only a positive pulse that will generate two pulses in main coil . You can use your 50 or 60hz in final output stage to load your normal "hot" appliances. I know that you see results , with your schema but i assure that this Two points will help improve your results.
Thanks
Hello Iowa old man !!
loop it !! Loop your build without accum.battery and you and we wiil know. - Does it Self-Runner (Ocean of free Enegy) or not !!
Reg. and take care !! :D
Enjoyjin
Quote from: Hoppy on April 03, 2015, 03:47:37 PM
OK, so what voltage do you have between mains grid neutral and your earth ground array?
There is absolutely nothing that says the inverter is going to be in any particular phase
relative to the utility line. In fact it's probably all over the place. The inverter has responsibility
for setting it's own frequency clock. If you want to know the difference of voltage it should be
rectified and compared as DC or measured by an ac meter or scope and peek values subtracted.
That the average value would be different then ground = 0v would be somewhat anomalous.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Hoppy
if Clarence is not connected to his neutral or mains "in any way"
why would that be a problem for this completely isolated experiment??
[all other obvious concerns aside if its truly reading a phase in the house]
??
respectfully
Chet K
Hi, Clarence
Could you do the following measurements please, with everything unplugged?
1 voltages between some adjacent ground rods.
2 Voltages between ground rods furthest away if in series.
These figures would be most helpful.
Thanks
Quote from: a.king21 on April 03, 2015, 04:49:12 PM
Hi, Clarence
Could you do the following measurements please, with everything unplugged?
1 voltages between some adjacent ground rods.
2 Voltages between ground rods furthest away if in series.
These figures would be most helpful.
Thanks
Hello a.King21,
Give me a NUMBERED list- Item below listed item , BLUNT and straight to the point, no extra unneeded words ( I have excellent comprehension ),briefly state what and where in the unit ( photo attached )
and I will get to it some time tonight and post it in the morning sometime. fear not I don't sleep at all, other humans do that , I got over that 37 years ago. now you know why I am BLUNT as hell!
I don't waste time and most things that used to be important didn't make the cut!!
thanks and cheers.
Clarence
I am trying to eliminate the last possible conventional explanation.
As you stated before, many farmers use electrified fences in your area.
Also the known system of Single Wire Earth Return (SWER) is common in rural areas.
It is a little known fact, but the earth is an excellent conductor. I have for instance re-routed a spark gap through
2 earth rods, and it worked just fine. I have also used very low power ie an ne2 bulb powered by a capacitor and routed it
through 2 earth rods. There is usually a little resistance to current flow at first then (I assume) the earth forms an ionic pathway.
So BOTTOM LINE:
It may work in your area, but it may not work in other countries or in urban areas.
That's what I am trying to figure out.
By measuring voltage between earth rods with your system switched off, you should have no electrical flow to speak of - maybe half a volt or so.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 03, 2015, 03:24:06 PM
Thanks for your reply.
So, you have 120.4V between your earth ground array and your mains grid neutral! That would suggest to me that what you take as a grid neutral connection is in fact live - a phase! Your grid neutral to earth ground voltage measurement should be very low.
I second that, The voltage between the neutral and the ground should be very low as the neutral is connected to ground at the
fuse box as far as I can tell. It is like that so that the neutral line is held at or near ground potential. If you measure 120 volts
between the neutral and ground you either have a serious problem with the way the house is wired or you are actually
measuring the phase/active to ground.
Usually a portable inverter is an isolated supply and there is no neutral as neither conductor is connected to the ground itself.
Which makes them dangerous to experiment with without an inline RCD.
With an inline RCD any mismatch of current between the two power wires will trip the RCD.
The RCD can detect if current is diverted from the main current loop through the ground which is what can fool the meters.
If I remove the GFI/RCD from the house I could probably steal power that way, by confusing the meter with no reuturn current.
..
Ultimately all that matters is. Can the system be replicated ? Is there an accurate schematic ?
If a well drawn and accurate schematic is made, then many people should be able to see how it works or what the oversight is.
If a well drawn schematic is made and it can be replicated all will sing the praises to the maker of the drawing.
If it works why not draw it and videotape it thoroughly while working for the benefit of mankind ?
..
Hi Clarence, Do the rods have to be 8' long, and is 3' the final verdict?
Can you or did you measure each individual rod voltage as you placed them?
They must put something out.
Not sure if it's Stubblefield, or Cook that i wired, but I stuck it in the ground and it gives a third of a volt.
It was the steel core with iron , cotton layer, copper.
artv
Farmhand
here is all you requested
post 1057 thru 1064
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg444124/#msg444124
respectfully
Chet K
Come on guy's.
Go back and look at the schematic on post 1077-->have a good look at it.Do you not know what you are looking at???.
The so called captor transformer setup is a nothing system.
The rest of the system is a loop loss system,where the ground rods are acting like a resistor. Do you not understand as to why Clarence is getting a higher voltage the more ground rods he add's to the system-->he is reducing the resistance on the neutral side of the system.
Quote FarmHand-
QuoteIf it works why not draw it and videotape it thoroughly while working for the benefit of mankind ?
You know the answer to that as well as i do FarmHand.
I have removed the captor loop transformer from the circuit,so as you can see a little more clearly what you have. As you can see,the ground rods are nothing more than a resistor on the neutral side. The more ground rods you add,the more you decrease the resistance-the more power avaliable to complete the loop.
Below is a pic of the captor transformer.
If windings A,B,C and D are in phase,then you have a nothing transformer that will just sit there and hum,and get a little warm after a while-->just a waste of power. If one of those windings are wound out of phase,then you have a big heater-->and probably smoke.
Winding F is a nothing winding,and wont be doing much at all--> maybe good for hooking the scope to to see the AC signal.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 03, 2015, 07:42:20 PM
I am trying to eliminate the last possible conventional explanation.
As you stated before, many farmers use electrified fences in your area.
Also the known system of Single Wire Earth Return (SWER) is common in rural areas.
It is a little known fact, but the earth is an excellent conductor. I have for instance re-routed a spark gap through
2 earth rods, and it worked just fine. I have also used very low power ie an ne2 bulb powered by a capacitor and routed it
through 2 earth rods. There is usually a little resistance to current flow at first then (I assume) the earth forms an ionic pathway.
So BOTTOM LINE:
It may work in your area, but it may not work in other countries or in urban areas.
That's what I am trying to figure out.
By measuring voltage between earth rods with your system switched off, you should have no electrical flow to speak of - maybe half a volt or so.
Hello a.King21,
didn't hear from you right away, so when I finished the series connections of the new 17 rods I had installed I just went ahead and made a quick check on this isolated string of rods.
I already figured what it would read from my WAY BACK data I had filed upstairs ( ME ). but I went ahead and redid it anyway. using a DVMM (FLUKE) the only way you can read anything
is to connect red or black to one end of the connection wire and the other probe right straight into EARTH. red into earth gives a + dc volt reading of around .200 volts and stays there - nothing new about that! black into earth gives a - dc volt reading of .425 - .475 and stays there, nothing new about that either! same old story !!!! also this area is a two wire system and NOT a SWER system.
I decided to go recheck the 30 rod looped series for the hell of it. SAME READINGS!!! whether its series open ended or series looped configuration it does not make a difference.
however do not connect a open ended series string to a closed loop series and ever expect to get a reading!!! HA! HA!
BTW: I see the same old members keep ringing their bells about their stuck between their ears drivel concerning a mains scenario residential DRAMA concerning neutral to ground problems!!!
I know I stated it MANY times that my unit HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY CRAPPY KIND OF UTILITIES MAINS AT ALL!! their ole danger- warning- drama has played once too many times simply because its OUT OF CONTEXT!!! you would think they could catch on after awhile! Oh well, I have learned to ignore their propaganda for certain.
If you think of anything else might be able to help with just post and say!
Thanks again!
Cheers.
Clarence
Quote from: tinman on April 03, 2015, 09:35:59 PM
I have removed the captor loop transformer from the circuit,so as you can see a little more clearly what you have. As you can see,the ground rods are nothing more than a resistor on the neutral side. The more ground rods you add,the more you decrease the resistance-the more power avaliable to complete the loop.
WHAT A SAD SAD JOKE!!!!
Clarence
Clarence: Wow. That's a result. Very encouraging.
Keep up the good work.
We will have to figure out how it works however.
Some of us want to build a smaller system to check out the technology before we spend thousands of
dollars.
If you have a small 75 watt inverter it would be fantastic if you could duplicate your system on a smaller scale.
I know it may seem like a step backwards, but just the opposite will be the case as more and more of
us replicate and figure out what is going on.
Anyway, congratulations on the breakthrough.
Quote from: Clarence on April 03, 2015, 11:10:29 PM
WHAT A SAD SAD JOKE!!!!
Clarence
Looking forward to your video of your self running device. ;)
Quote from: a.king21 on April 03, 2015, 11:16:07 PM
Clarence: Wow. That's a result. Very encouraging.
Keep up the good work.
We will have to figure out how it works however.
Some of us want to build a smaller system to check out the technology before we spend thousands of
dollars.
If you have a small 75 watt inverter it would be fantastic if you could duplicate your system on a smaller scale.
I know it may seem like a step backwards, but just the opposite will be the case as more and more of
us replicate and figure out what is going on.
Anyway, congratulations on the breakthrough.
Hello a.King21,
thanks for your support Sir!
I am going to be off of the forum for awhile in order to catch up on all of my to dos.
I understand your desire to replicate at a smaller design level but I don't think it would work out for many reasons.
I believe while I am off that it would be better to finish the 120/240 adaptation for this KW module I started with.
proving all of its merits would then remove the risk for those who desire to duplicate it.
also it will give all of those coming out of the wood work time to drown themselves in their own juice which they most certainly will.
if at any time you need anything else just post and I will see your I D pop up on my PC and I will look and see.
again - many thanks.
Cheers.
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on April 04, 2015, 12:03:40 AM
Hello a.King21,
thanks for your support Sir!
I am going to be off of the forum for awhile in order to catch up on all of my to dos.
I believe while I am off that it would be better to finish the 120/240 adaptation for this KW module I started with.
proving all of its merits would then remove the risk for those who desire to duplicate it.
also it will give all of those coming out of the wood work time to drown themselves in their own juice which they most certainly will.
if at any time you need anything else just post and I will see your I D pop up on my PC and I will look and see.
again - many thanks.
Cheers.
Clarence
And away we go when crunch time is at hand.
QuoteI understand your desire to replicate at a smaller design level but I don't think it would work out for many reasons.
Of course it wont work out,and we also will never see a video of this device self running-->the chicken has flown the coop,as the to do's are far more important than showing the world the first self powered/self running device with excess energy.
Yes-->WHAT A JOKE.
Clarence , yours setup reminds me Sokolovsky transformer made from 3 coils and a C part of transformer core. I believe this captor is where the energy is multiplied by the same effect. Part of current goes straight to the load and part induce secondary current which apparently attract also some electrons from ground. They meet at load and give total power rise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fk4DOA3viE (I cannot find schematic right now)
Thanks Timan for coming to this free energy forum to help and encourage us
Your kind words are much appreciated ;)
Quote from: ramset on April 03, 2015, 04:47:25 PM
Hoppy
if Clarence is not connected to his neutral or mains "in any way"
why would that be a problem for this completely isolated experiment??
[all other obvious concerns aside if its truly reading a phase in the house]
??
respectfully
Chet K
Hi ramset,
As I previously commented, I fully understand that Clarence is not connected to a mains supply and is running his load from a battery. Nonetheless, I was interested in knowing the voltage between his ground rod array and his grid neutral.
Quote from: tinman on April 04, 2015, 12:36:34 AM
And away we go when crunch time is at hand.
Of course it wont work out,and we also will never see a video of this device self running-->the chicken has flown the coop,as the to do's are far more important than showing the world the first self powered/self running device with excess energy.
Yes-->WHAT A JOKE.
Dang man. There's no need for that sort of nonsense at all.
Clarence is just building the device based on his best understanding of how it is supposed to be done,
and running tests to see if it works as claimed. He doesn't have to share any info here.
I personally am very cautious about considering drawing conclusions about whether some device or effect I am
testing might really be over unity or not, but in regards to Clarence's testing, we don't know much details of what all specific
tests Clarence has done so far. For myself, over the last several years of experimenting in this area, I have seen some interesting effects,
but with more in depth testing I usually come to a better understanding of what is happening and determine that it is not actually
over unity, even though it can sometimes look like it at first without investigating much deeper and carefully into what is going on.
In the case of Clarence's B&L device, we simply don't have enough info about how it is performing so far to be able
to draw any conclusions one way or the other, as Clarence hasn't posted much in the way of details about his tests so far.
Clarence did say a short time ago that he has connected his device to the mains and powered things like his
microwave, and some others here were also posting some info about similar devices that were powered from the mains,
so that is why I posted the info about potential mains ground loops when using mains power and connecting a device to earth ground.
Once Clarence gets all his new ground rods installed and connected in, if he can make his device self run using the battery and inverter
and charger (no mains connection) while powering a small load like a light bulb, and leave it running steady for say a couple of days, if the battery is
still maintaining around a full charge under those operating conditions after running steady for a couple of days, then that should be a pretty good test.
Clarence is pretty busy however, so it may take him a while to get that all ready and do that sort of testing.
All the best...
Quote from: tinman on April 03, 2015, 09:35:59 PM
I have removed the captor loop transformer from the circuit,so as you can see a little more clearly what you have. As you can see,the ground rods are nothing more than a resistor on the neutral side. The more ground rods you add,the more you decrease the resistance-the more power avaliable to complete the loop.
The battery under this direct looping will not be in the best of health!
Quote from: Void on April 04, 2015, 05:29:25 AM
Dang man. There's no need for that sort of nonsense at all.
Clarence is just building the device based on his best understanding of how it is supposed to be done,
and running tests to see if it works as claimed. He doesn't have to share any info here.
I personally am very cautious about considering drawing conclusions about whether some device or effect I am
testing might really be over unity or not, but in regards to Clarence's testing, we don't know much details of what all specific
tests Clarence has done so far. For myself, over the last several years of experimenting in this area, I have seen some interesting effects,
but with more in depth testing I usually come to a better understanding of what is happening and determine that it is not actually
over unity, even though it can sometimes look like it at first without investigating much deeper and carefully into what is going on.
In the case of Clarence's B&L device, we simply don't have enough info about how it is performing so far to be able
to draw any conclusions one way or the other, as Clarence hasn't posted much in the way of details about his tests so far.
Clarence did say a short time ago that he has connected his device to the mains and powered things like his
microwave, and some others here were also posting some info about similar devices that were powered from the mains,
so that is why I posted the info about potential mains ground loops when using mains power and connecting a device to earth ground.
Once Clarence gets all his new ground rods installed and connected in, if he can make his device self run using the battery and inverter
and charger (no mains connection) while powering a small load like a light bulb, and leave it running steady for say a couple of days, if the battery is
still maintaining around a full charge under those operating conditions after running steady for a couple of days, then that should be a pretty good test.
Clarence is pretty busy however, so it may take him a while to get that all ready and do that sort of testing.
All the best...
Hi Void
Clarence has said that he has had the device running in loop mode without a load for 2 1/2 hours,and the battery maintains it's voltage. I only asked what test and/or measurements he had done,and all i got back was-->the device speaks for it self ???.
I also sepperated the captor loop transformer from the circuit to show others clearly what you have-->and that is a simple looped system. The captor loop transformer is a nuthing device,and serves no purpose at all to the system,except for maybe draining a bit more power from the battery,and turning it into heat.
The ground rods are nothing more than resistors in the circuit,and the more he adds,the less the resistance in the neutral line.
How many people are going to waste there hard earned cash on this one i wonder?. I see what it is,and it is nothing but a battery to inverter to load to charger to battery loop. This means nothing more than a system full of losses by way of heat.
Do you believe that you will ever see this device running in a self sustained mode while driving a load?.
Some times the truth is the hardest to hear,but none the less,it is the truth.
Quote from: tinman on April 04, 2015, 06:06:03 AM
Hi Void
Clarence has said that he has had the device running in loop mode without a load for 2 1/2 hours,and the battery maintains it's voltage. I only asked what test and/or measurements he had done,and all i got back was-->the device speaks for it self ??? .
I also sepperated the captor loop transformer from the circuit to show others clearly what you have-->and that is a simple looped system. The captor loop transformer is a nuthing device,and serves no purpose at all to the system,except for maybe draining a bit more power from the battery,and turning it into heat.
The ground rods are nothing more than resistors in the circuit,and the more he adds,the less the resistance in the neutral line.
How many people are going to waste there hard earned cash on this one i wonder?. I see what it is,and it is nothing but a battery to inverter to load to charger to battery loop. This means nothing more than a system full of losses by way of heat.
Do you believe that you will ever see this device running in a self sustained mode while driving a load?.
Some times the truth is the hardest to hear,but none the less,it is the truth.
And iron boats will never float. Everyone knows that.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 04, 2015, 05:32:52 AM
The battery under this direct looping will not be in the best of health!
While for historical purposes you are most probably correct, you are not taking into account that
the correctly designed battery charger can compensate for this situation. Batteries do not like
to charged and discharged "at the same time". But the charger could let the battery "breath" by
integrating a charging time then integrating a discharging time, so that it doesn't have to "switch" modes
instantaneously, and it can do this without using too much power. My tendency is to always have
a battery in charge mode or discharge then swap it to the other, but this violates the depth of
discharge restrictions. Millions of motors vehicles use floating batteries apparently ok.
Clarence is not using a deep cycle battery so we should soon know.
The real question is when you have new technology should the person using it have to prove OU loop
function with older technologies - I think not.
QuoteI also sepperated the captor loop transformer from the circuit to show others clearly what you have-->and that is a simple looped system. The captor loop transformer is a nuthing device,and serves no purpose at all to the system,except for maybe draining a bit more power from the battery,and turning it into heat.
If you try to understand how it works using the rules studied in school
can not be in when they are incomplete.
Leo48
Quote from: xxxxx on April 04, 2015, 06:33:25 AM
I also sepperated the captor loop transformer from the circuit to show others clearly what you have-->and that is a simple looped system. The captor loop transformer is a nuthing device,and serves no purpose at all to the system,except for maybe draining a bit more power from the battery,and turning it into heat.
---
If you try to understand how it works using the rules studied in school
can not be in when they are incomplete.
Leo48
I agree with you leo48. It appears to me that the Captor and ground array is actually a vacuum tube but built with
ground inside rather then a vacuum.
The tube filament is the moving electrons primarily generated by the utility power return path. Electrons physically move at the speed
of sound while the electronic wave fronts moves at the speed of light. The reason I am saying this is that energy comes out
in synchronism with inverter power, so they are likely buffered.
The tube grid is the grid of ground array.
The problem is that Telluric currents are most likely to be found pointed downward in 3D, while utility currents are most likely
vectored horizontally. I suspect you may be able to image these with a carefully designed "tube".
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: tinman on April 04, 2015, 06:06:03 AM
Hi Void
Clarence has said that he has had the device running in loop mode without a load for 2 1/2 hours,and the battery maintains it's voltage. I only asked what test and/or measurements he had done,and all i got back was-->the device speaks for it self ??? .
That's quite possible when the battery is looped and charging / discharging at the same time. The internal impedance of the battery can change to cause a marked increase in terminal voltage, giving the impression that the battery is charging or maintaining its voltage. I have seen this effect last for a considerable period of time. However, this is not to say that Clarence's ground rods are not in some way enhancing this affect by supplying external energy to the system but Clarence would at least need to satisfy himself that the effect he observes is not merely a battery vagary. One way to establish this is to run the system for a prolonged period of time to see if the battery does eventually discharge, which it certainly will if this battery vagary is the cause of the observed effect.
Hi Tinman. Belief doesn't factor into it for me. All that needs to be done is to do a practical and reasonable test
and see what the results are. If Clarence can get the device to self run with a battery for two days straight
while powering a small load like a low wattage light bulb (say 15W to 25W), that should be a pretty good test. If the
battery keeps the light shining for two days straight and maintains close to a full charge throughout the two days, then
we can say that that it appears to be able to self run. A longer test can then be tried such as say one week, to confirm.
If the battery voltage drops down lower and lower over time while running, then we can say that it looks like it doesn't self run.
All the best...
Quote from: Void on April 04, 2015, 07:05:29 AM
Hi Tinman. Belief doesn't factor into it for me. All that needs to be done is to do a practical and reasonable test
and see what the results are. If Clarence can get the device to self run with a battery for two days straight
while powering a small load like a low wattage light bulb (say 15W to 25W), that should be a pretty good test. If the
battery keeps the light shining for two days straight and maintains close to a full charge throughout the two days, then
we can say that that it appears to be able to self run. A longer test can then be tried such as say one week, to confirm.
If the battery voltage drops down lower and lower over time while running, then we can say that it looks like it doesn't self run.
All the best...
I agree with you .. 'remove the resistance' assume it can be done .. even if it couldn't self-run .. wouldn't you be happy if it just halved your electricity bill .. I think Clarence is an honest guy with every intention of sharing the results of his hard work . .. this is no time to be standing on the guy's face when he is trying to drag us up off the ground. .. Let's not argue OU it doesn't matter if it is or not at this point, let's just see how much progress has actually been made and be grateful for it. Little by little we are moving forward, it often takes a while. It took ants five years to undermine my gatepost but it eventually fell down. Let's all get behind Clarence and give him as much support as we can. if it were to fail we lose what .. nothing, if he succeeds we have a lot to gain. Other people in the past have failed because they didn't have enough support to prevent big business taking them out of the game, we can't let it happen again.
Quote from: skribat on April 04, 2015, 07:35:05 AM
I agree with you .. 'remove the resistance' assume it can be done .. even if it couldn't self-run .. wouldn't you be happy if it just halved your electricity bill .. I think Clarence is an honest guy with every intention of sharing the results of his hard work . .. this is no time to be standing on the guy's face when he is trying to drag us up off the ground. .. Let's not argue OU it doesn't matter if it is or not at this point, let's just see how much progress has actually been made and be grateful for it. Little by little we are moving forward, it often takes a while. It took ants five years to undermine my gatepost but it eventually fell down. Let's all get behind Clarence and give him as much support as we can. if it were to fail we lose what .. nothing, if he succeeds we have a lot to gain. Other people in the past have failed because they didn't have enough support to prevent big business taking them out of the game, we can't let it happen again.
There is a difference between being deliberately obstructive and making comments that might appear to be negative but given with the best intention, so as to help Clarence to determine if his device is truly self-running. I consider this to be valid support.
@ skribat, I agree 100 percent.
artv
Quote from: a.king21 on April 04, 2015, 06:08:11 AM
And iron boats will never float. Everyone knows that.
Hello a.king21 :D
Why don't you take some trip to Iowa and do some measurements ?? Give old man 5 000- 6 000 bucks and make a tests - but not like you did in case of Kapanadze - 20 000 bucks for 2 hours show and nothing ??
About oldman setup - honestly what is for me particulary very interesting is Partnered Toroid configuration. Drawn schematics are not correct because secondaries of Toroid transformers are in antiphase with crosspoint virtually grounded via captor. As a matter of fact it is the only configuartion which is able to produce powerfull scalar field. All of that is Tesla Technology. Two coils at same wavequide lambda/4 resonance both in antiphase (180 electrical degrees) both grounded on cold end with heavy copper conductor. Same configuration many people made like in Clarence case. For mighty power extraction Tesla scalar need very big mass of copper (or other good conductors). When we strike two B-fileds (with opposite propagation vectors) we can't destroy both but we transform them in powerfull Scalar (longitudinal wave) with own power as sum of both B-fileds. What we do is Scalar reconnection of field lines at both vector fileds. Two very strong B-fileds (opposite each other ) when collide - transform in Scalar field. Keep in mind Scalar field haven't electrical nature and can't be meassured directly with known tech.equipment. Cold currents and other anomalies are direct Scalar filed aftereffects.
Looking from Tesla world outlook - currents as electrical temperatures - we have two temperatures. Hot ( vector currents) and Cold (Scalar currents). Crosspoint of two B-fileds behave as very Cold point while all other ponts like copper rods in ground are very Hot. As much as we can cool down crosspoint (rising Scalar potential) automatical we rise all Hot points (vector potential of cooper rods). To balance this anomaly Hot temperature will start flow in mighty stream to Cold point. This massive impulses of free electrons (energy waves) come from the ground to crosspoint and warm up (balance) anomaly. It affect reciprocally as rising electricity (hot temperature) in system and we see it as Over Unity.
ps: Properly tunned Tesla Transformers cold down when operarte, Floyhd Sweet VTA cold down etc.. Interesting facts isn;t it
ps2: Don't consider Tesla "electrical temperatures" as adiabatic "thermodynamic" temperatures. They are not the same nature. (for example like solid ice and plasma)
Reg.
Enjoykin !!
Enjoykon: What I learned from the Kapanadze business was priceless.
Clarence does not need anyone's money. He certainly appears to have more than me.
I didn't use my money to try and back Kapanadze. That was done by my financial supporter.
If Clarence has stumbled on something new then we all benefit.
If not, at least he had the guts to go public with his experiments and all who followed his experiments
have learnt a lot.
Recently on one of the other forums or Blogs there was a fellow that shredded an OU claim as BS,
quite eloquently I might add, another Gentlemen came back a few weeks later and
made an equally eloquent post which highlighted the fact that when we do find the unusual
it will probably be a very unorthodox method which is used, Way outta the box...
I applaud Clarence and his investigation here, I also understand the Tenacious Tinman and others who have spent thousands or tens of thousands in time and money for the benefit of others,
and how as time goes by these things can be a sore spot for them [the open source replicators].
These replicators have come to heavily rely on a measurement protocol to expedite this process
thereby saving the community as a whole.. fortunes in wasted time and money.
@ EnjoyKin
to be clear we do have very trusted and respected members that are in neighboring states
who could assist in proper measurements .
respectfully
Chet
Well said, ramset.
I live in the Greater Toronto Area of Ontario and offered to evaluate; some are such obvious fakes/scams, such as Magnacoaster (only 30 mins away) or GDS (~2hrs away) that I won't bother. Always open to invitations...
Like i said in other occasions : testing and observation is the best way to achieve something not only wait for the gold fall to people.
Why most people only see the word overunity like a unique objective ? And improve the actual system conversion that exists ? Is not important ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UUiDqaTOWg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7acRk8Z6-U
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on April 04, 2015, 04:48:44 PM
Like i said in other occasions : testing and observation is the best way to achieve something not only wait for the gold fall to people.
Why most people only see the word overunity like a unique objective ? And improve the actual system conversion that exists ? Is not important ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UUiDqaTOWg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UUiDqaTOWg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7acRk8Z6-U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7acRk8Z6-U)
I see you are experienced with such setups...Did you checked some kind of BEMF supression circuit ? I wonder if a transil or zener diode plus resistor connected in shunt to the choke coil will limit the spike generated when coil is disconnected ?
P.S. of course you are correct
Quote from: forest on April 04, 2015, 05:03:34 PM
I see you are experienced with such setups...Did you checked some kind of BEMF supression circuit ? I wonder if a transil or zener diode plus resistor connected in shunt to the choke coil will limit the spike generated when coil is disconnected ?
P.S. of course you are correct
Hi , in my opinion the bemf suppression not means cancel the bemf in the meaning of the word . I say to many times that bemf can do work. In this particularly subject on this barbosa circuit or how people like to call , i did my own tests to months ago , is not a overunity circuit like people want , but if is good designed i can say that circuit will improve the output efficiency of inductive loads in 80% and half in resistive loads. but for me is more than good for the most people not :)
About the original barbosa design circuit is designed to be a saturate reactor with feedback , the loop is only to saturate the ferromagnetic core ! ferro-Resonance .
But people only want to see AMPs in the loop secondary and measure high amps for What ? For dissipate energy in heat, lose efficiency in the process conversion?
Is all about conversion process. Electricity is not energy but a result of a conversation of one state of energy to another .
Electricity is only the product :)
Look in to this video and see how so different can be the way we can do "something abnormal" in conventional electricity . is the process of conversion .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is9fOtBeo_I
Most process of conversation lose efficiency in commutation system because the bemf will act like a drag , this is the common reason to the meaning " BEMF supression" and because will burn sometimes :) common components .
This Bemf will return to source with a cmf effect that create resistance , this will go heat the commutation system make lose energy , so reducing the efficiency of overall circuit.
But of course this is only a point of view much personal.:)
People have to see some of this "things" with own eyes , because sometimes is the only manner to have reasons to question the common way of thinking.
Good luck for everyone
"Electricity is not energy" Really? Since when? One of the units of energy (Joule) is equivalent to one Watt.second
For example, electricity can be converted TO and FROM: heat, light, sound.
Quote from: memoryman on April 04, 2015, 09:20:43 PM
"Electricity is not energy" Really? Since when? One of the units of energy (Joule) is equivalent to one Watt.second
For example, electricity can be converted TO and FROM: heat, light, sound.
Yes-electricity is not energy,it is a potential energy source. Like you stated in your own reply,it must be converted into either heat,light,sound-->and magnetic force-eg.the electric motor.
Well it seems that i have become the bad guy here-->UFOpolotics said the same thing once.
Well this bad guy is trying to save you guys from wasted time,money and that trip up the garden path full of dead flowers.
So,i will ask only one thing from Clarence-->a test that is so simple that nothing more than a volt meter is needed.
Clarence
Can you please run your system in loop mode for say 2 hours(disconected from the grid of course)with a light load of say 50 watts-i dont even require a battery voltage reading at the start of the test. When the 2 hour run is up,place a volt meter on your battery,and remove the battery from the system. Dose the voltage on your battery drop or rise-->the test is that simple.
"Yes-electricity is not energy,it is a potential energy source. Like you stated in your own reply,it must be converted into either heat,light,sound-->and magnetic force-eg.the electric motor."
I stated that it CAN be converted into many forms: NOT that it MUST be. Just as heat is a form of energy and CAN be converted into other forms of energy, such as electricity.
Quote from: tinman on April 04, 2015, 09:35:35 PM
Yes-electricity is not energy,it is a potential energy source. Like you stated in your own reply,it must be converted into either heat,light,sound-->and magnetic force-eg.the electric motor.
Well it seems that i have become the bad guy here-->UFOpolotics said the same thing once.
Well this bad guy is trying to save you guys from wasted time,money and that trip up the garden path full of dead flowers.
So,i will ask only one thing from Clarence-->a test that is so simple that nothing more than a volt meter is needed.
Clarence
Can you please run your system in loop mode for say 2 hours(disconected from the grid of course)with a light load of say 50 watts-i dont even require a battery voltage reading at the start of the test. When the 2 hour run is up,place a volt meter on your battery,and remove the battery from the system. Dose the voltage on your battery drop or rise-->the test is that simple.
I definitely do NOT need any instructions from YOU as to how to conduct tests! I am NOT your mongoloid kindergarten pet by INFINITE MILES!
Your bad guy - good guy scenario pretension to SAVE THE WORLD is enough to make any intelligent person want to PUKE!
@ ALL,
I will be testing and providing results as usual in about a week- plus or minus whatever it turns out. I don't follow any clock and do other work the same as you WHICH I know you are already aware of
and by your own personal character values have also taken into consideration.
In the meantime to ALL.
cheers,
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on April 04, 2015, 10:13:45 PM
Clarence
QuoteI definitely do NOT need any instructions from YOU as to how to conduct tests! I am NOT your mongoloid kindergarten pet by INFINITE MILES!
Indeed-->in fact,it seems the device just running is your test protocal so far :D
QuoteYour bad guy - good guy scenario pretension to SAVE THE WORLD is enough to make any intelligent person want to PUKE!
No,not save the world-->just try and save people time and money on building an unworkable device. This is what i do,and i dont really care if you like it or not. Your attitude toward conducting a simple test is proof enough you intend on bleeding this nonsence device to the very end.How much of your time would be taken up by the simple test i asked you to carry out?. We see it time and time again,when crunch time come's,there is always an excuse as to why the test cant be carried out.
The device isnt complete yet.-needs more ground rods<---
I have other things to do ATM<---
Your replication is wrong-thats why it dosnt work like mine dose.<--yet to come
Your on the wrong side of the planet.<-- may also come.
Should i go on?-there are thousands to come yet,and you have already 2 of the above up your sleeve.
QuoteI will be testing and providing results as usual in about a week
I must have missed these provided test result's some where. Could you quote the post number these usual test results were provided? I remember one test where you ran the device(unloaded) for a couple of hours,and noted no change in battery voltage. Are you not aware of the tricks LAB's can play when it comes to the voltages they show?. Place your battery in the sun with a volt meter across it-->bugga me,the voltage rises-->must have inbuilt solar cells ;)
Quoteplus or minus whatever it turns out. I don't follow any clock and do other work the same as you WHICH I know you are already aware of
As you dont sleep at all(apparently),then time shouldnt be an issue for you. I feel the plus or minus is going to be a very long time.
Believe it or not Clarence,im on your side. I too am chasing the free energy machine-->and have been for many,many years. I offer my help in way of trying to show and explain what you have,and also provide very simple and short time consuming test,and you refuse with insults. Im not even going to try and guess what it has cost you so far,but even copper ground rods arnt cheap.
Anyway-good luck in your endeavor.
I tried a basic test with B&L's single transformer arrangement from their patent drawing,
(see attached drawing from patent). I took a 600VA ferrite toroid power transformer (it is what I had
on hand) and wound a 3 turn 4 AWG stranded copper wire on the toroid as a secondary. The 4 AWG
wire I used for this has bolt lugs on each end of the wire, and I bolted these two wire lugs tightly together
to short out my 3 turn secondary into a 'closed loop'. I used an inline AC power meter to measure the input power
to the transformer when plugged into the mains. I used a clamp on AC ammeter to measure the AC
RMS current in my 3 turn secondary. Basically in this test I just wanted to see what the power draw would be
and how much current would flow in the shorted 3 turn secondary winding.
I thought it might possibly blow the breaker in my mains service panel when I plugged it in, but it did
not blow the breaker. I was only able to plug it in for about 5 seconds max because the 4 AWG wire became
burning hot already in 5 seconds. If I left it plugged in much longer than that the insulation on the 4 AWG
wire would have started melting or burning.
The inline wattmeter measured around 1600 Watts average into the transformer from the mains, with the max power
registered in the power meter as 1940 Watts. Yikes!
The first time I tried this I had the clamp on AC ammeter set to the 600 Amp AC range, but it showed "OL" for overload.
I then unplugged the transformer and let the secondary wire cool down for about 10 minutes, and then set the
clamp on ammeter to the 1000 Amp AC range. I plugged the transformer back in and the current in the 3 turn
secondary was measuring between about 920 Amps to around 1000 Amps RMS or so! The reading was jumping around in that
current range. Now that seems extremely high for the current measurement in the 3 turn 4 AWG wire secondary, but
that is what the clamp on ammeter measured. Maybe the strong magnetic field from the toroid transformer and 3 turn secondary
was throwing off the measurement, as the ammeter was clamped onto the 3 turn secondary right beside the toroid, but I am not
sure what is causing such a high current measurement on the secondary winding.
The moral of the story is that what I tried won't work. ;) The 4 AWG wire on the 3 turn secondary would start to burn up after only
a very short time of being energized. Whatever B&L are intending for their single transformer arrangement, it isn't what I just tried. :o
Maybe you would need to use a much smaller capacity ferrite core so that the transformer saturates at much lower currents.
Or maybe you need a lot more than 3 turns on the shorted secondary winding.
Any comments/suggestions regarding this test welcome.
All the best...
Void... Normal you short circuit it.
Tinman, i respect you but dont worry about taking on your shoulder to save the money and time of everyone... Giving your opinion is really the best thing you can do! As you already know the best way we learn in life is by doing our own experiment.
I think the thing to learn here is a principe and if someone want to play with it and dont have the money to follow what Clarence are doing he/she even can try the "principe" with low cost material like some kind of joulethief as the source and foil paper for the ground captor with the same surface contact ratio as Clarence want to achieve (4/60 or 1/15). It is up to everyone to made their own experiment at their level and to learn something... Even with bad experience, we learn!
:)
Quote from: wistiti on April 05, 2015, 12:30:21 AM
Void... Normal you short circuit it.
Hi wistiti. No, greater than 920 Amps measured on the 3 turn secondary seems very high to me.
Why the current is measuring so high on the 3 turn secondary, I don't know.
I also don't know what the winding turns count is on the primary winding, for turns ratio calculation purposes.
The other question is exactly how are B&L intending the secondary on the single transformer arrangement to
actually be wound? Anyone have any idea or details on that?
All the best...
Quote from: Void on April 05, 2015, 12:41:06 AM
Hi wistiti. No, greater than 920 Amps measured on the 3 turn secondary seems very high to me.
Why the current is measuring so high on the 3 turn secondary, I don't know.
I also don't know what the winding turns count is on the primary winding, for turns ratio calculation purposes.
The other question is exactly how are B&L intending the secondary on the single transformer arrangement to
actually be wound? Anyone have any idea or details on that?
All the best...
Void
The clamp meter reads current by the strength of the magnetic field around the wire. If your clamp meter is to close to the transformer,then it may be reading the magnetic field around that transformer as well,which would be extreemly strong with your shorted 3 turn coil. Even then,1000 amps should fry that wire in no time flat. If we look at an arc welder,we can melt 2.5mm steel rods with only 60 amps,so something is amiss with your clamp meter.
Quote from: tinman on April 05, 2015, 01:07:43 AM
Void
The clamp meter reads current by the strength of the magnetic field around the wire. If your clamp meter is to close to the transformer,then it may be reading the magnetic field around that transformer as well,which would be extreemly strong with your shorted 3 turn coil. Even then,1000 amps should fry that wire in no time flat. If we look at an arc welder,we can melt 2.5mm steel rods with only 60 amps,so something is amiss with your clamp meter.
Hi tinman. There is nothing wrong with the clamp-on ammeter itself. It is working fine.
Regarding the bit about the strong magnetic field around the 3 turns of wire on the secondary, that is what
I had already suggested as a possible explanation in my comments about the test I did. :) It is possible that
you can't make reliable measurements with these types of meters when so close to the strong magnetic
field around the transformer windings. That might possibly be the cause of the very high current measurement.
Measurements aside, with the 3 turn secondary, the current is much too high for the 4 AWG wire. The wire would start
burning up very quickly if left energized for much longer than 5 or 10 seconds or so. The problem with info in patents is people often
seem to obscure important details in the patents on purpose to make it very hard, if not impossible, for other people to replicate based
on the patent info alone. :)
All the best...
P.S.
In case anyone is not familiar with the AWG wire gauge system, 4 AWG wire is 5.19mm diameter, and 21.14mm^2 cross sectional area.
Regarding the current handling capacity of 4 AWG copper wire, one table I found lists it as follows:
Maximum amps for chassis wiring: 135 Amps
Maximum amps for power transmission: 60 Amps.
Note on these two specs:
[The Maximum Amps for Power Transmission uses the 700 circular mils per amp rule, which is very very conservative.
The Maximum Amps for Chassis Wiring is also a conservative rating, but is meant for wiring in air, and not in a bundle.]
The resistance of 4 AWG copper wire is supposed to be:
Ohms per 1000 foot: 0.2485
Ohms per km: 0.81508
@Void
Try with only 1 or 2 turns.
Quote from: memoryman on April 04, 2015, 09:20:43 PM
"Electricity is not energy" Really? Since when? One of the units of energy (Joule) is equivalent to one Watt.second
For example, electricity can be converted TO and FROM: heat, light, sound.
Hi Memoryman,
I suggest that you think with more time about power and energy because is very important understand .
It is not that difficult to distinguish between Energy and power but can do some confusion if is not clearly understood.
While energy is the ability to do work, Power is its measurement, which calculates the time by which the energy has been used.
Power is the capacity of energy, which is being used. In more simple terms, power is defined as the rate of doing work. Power finds it use in mechanical applications, heat applications, electrical applications and several other areas.
Another difference is that energy can be stored whereas power cannot be stored.Energy changes form but power doesn't change form.
Thanks
Quote from: tinman on April 05, 2015, 01:07:43 AM
Void
The clamp meter reads current by the strength of the magnetic field around the wire. If your clamp meter is to close to the transformer,then it may be reading the magnetic field around that transformer as well,which would be extreemly strong with your shorted 3 turn coil. Even then,1000 amps should fry that wire in no time flat. If we look at an arc welder,we can melt 2.5mm steel rods with only 60 amps,so something is amiss with your clamp meter.
Yes is true what tinman say , the amp meter will do wrong measures because the nature of the high magnetic field, i see myself this in tests that i do.
We don't need to have 1000amp in secondary loop is a nonsense. because the "amps measured" will don't be the output power! I say that to much times.
The loop secondary is only to maintain the core material saturated, is not need to waste the power in heat, because with high amps will heat all coil system, make nothing then more consume ! I suggest to people that like to learn that read this pdf
and i have sure that will be helpful to people.
thanks
http://web.ornl.gov/adm/partnerships/events/power_electronics/presentations/T2-C-Power_Flow_Control.pdf
Quote from: Void on April 05, 2015, 12:41:06 AM
Hi wistiti. No, greater than 920 Amps measured on the 3 turn secondary seems very high to me.
Why the current is measuring so high on the 3 turn secondary, I don't know.
I also don't know what the winding turns count is on the primary winding, for turns ratio calculation purposes.
The other question is exactly how are B&L intending the secondary on the single transformer arrangement to
actually be wound? Anyone have any idea or details on that?
All the best...
HELLO VOID & ALL,
Since at present it seems that NONE OF YOU have ever YET comprehended what is happening or what to do about it or HOW TO ACHIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!! I am going to tell you for one last time what YOUR
SELF CREATED PROBLEMS ARE!!!!!!! I presented this information WAY BACK AT THE BEGINNING!!!!!! but it just BLEW RIGHT OVER YOUR HARD SKULLS!!!!!! This time you PAY ATTENTION or I'm
done with you! I have tried to freely share with ALL of you but you have begun to annoy me to no end with your D>>> unwillingness to just pay attention! I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD AND DON'T CLAIM TO but the VITAL things pertaining to a build of this nature I DO KNOW!
PAY ATTENTION!
1. VOID your shown ATTEMPT is an attempt at another LARGER TYPE POWER MODULE which I have not shown YET! and was defeated because it was totally incorrect.
every one needs to build the basic unit I have built FIRST!!!!!!!! my build is the FIRST small unit they used in their first demonstration!! when a person builds IT
THEN the WHOLE WORLD IS JERKED OPEN to them because they will have comprehended everything that is involved in all the REST!
2.For all of you HURRY UP WANNABES I am going to tell you how to complete the basic TWO TOROID SETUP with NOTHING ELSE BUT IT!!!!! no rods , no batteries, none of the other needed items.
if you don't want to use TWO ferrite toroids then forget it all. just go lock yourself in a small closet somewhere and stay there forever so you don't contaminate the rest of the world!
A.the toroid MUST ONLY have a primary winding---nothing else!!!!!!! YOU are going to MAKE the secondary winding of -----2 1/2 turns of # 4 AWG TINNED stranded wire.!!!!
B.BOTH of the toroids have to be wound EXACTLY as I have shown in the previous photo i posted. go back there and sit and study it for an hour or two! after you have MADE the winding and placed it on the
toroid ---both the position of the toroid and the position of the secondary winding had better EXACTLY match my photo!!!!!
set both of the completed toroids in front of you with the # 4 AWG wires pointing straight at you! now spin one of them so the # 4 wires are pointing towards each other! the two top wires CONNECT TO
EACH OTHER!!!!! then the two bottom #4 wires CONNECT TO EACH OTHER!!!!!!
Join each of the primary neutrals TOGETHER! then join each of the primary phase wires TOGETHER!
C. now JUST FOR TEST PURPOSES ONLY connect mains power to the primary leads. there should be NO smoke! NO heat! you should be able to take a clamp meter on AC amp setting and find an amp
reading of some where around 1.3 amps +-.
If you have success in ALL of this then you can move forward to the rest of the build!
TA! TA!
Clarence
Some extended patents useful information ;)
Some extended patents useful information part 2 :D
Some extended patents useful information part 3 :D
@Clarence, in my test described above, I wasn't trying to test with the two transformer B&L configuration that you are experimenting with. ;)
As I stated in my comment above, I was trying a very basic preliminary test with the one transformer configuration shown in B&L's patent,
to just get an idea of what sort of power draw and current magnitudes would be involved with a 3 turn secondary, since I
don't have specific info on what sort of turn count B&L may have used on the secondary, if they even ever actually did experiment
with a one transformer variant of their device. Sometimes in patent applications people will describe other 'embodiments' of their
'invention' that they may not have actually tried, but they want their patent application(s) to cover as many bases as they can in case
some of the other variations might actually work. Anyone know if B&L actually demonstrated a one transformer configuration?
I guess if they kept the transformer hidden in a box in their demos then that may be unknown. :)
All the best...
Quote from: Void on April 05, 2015, 11:13:26 AM
@Clarence, in my test described above, I wasn't trying to test with the two transformer B&L configuration that you are experimenting with. ;)
As I stated in my comment above, I was trying a very basic preliminary test with the one transformer configuration shown in B&L's patent,
to just get an idea of what sort of power draw and current magnitudes would be involved with a 3 turn secondary, since I
don't have specific info on what sort of turn count B&L may have used on the secondary, if they even ever actually did experiment
with a one transformer variant of their device. Sometimes in patent applications people will describe other 'embodiments' of their
'invention' that they may not have actually tried, but they want their patent application(s) to cover as many bases as they can in case
some of the other variations might actually work. Anyone know if B&L actually demonstrated a one transformer configuration?
I guess if they kept the transformer hidden in a box in their demos then that may be unknown. :)
All the best...
Hi void , i test with only transformer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ob1GY6dXs
Quote from: Void on April 05, 2015, 11:13:26 AM
@Clarence, in my test described above, I wasn't trying to test with the two transformer B&L configuration that you are experimenting with. ;)
As I stated in my comment above, I was trying a very basic preliminary test with the one transformer configuration shown in B&L's patent,
to just get an idea of what sort of power draw and current magnitudes would be involved with a 3 turn secondary, since I
don't have specific info on what sort of turn count B&L may have used on the secondary, if they even ever actually did experiment
with a one transformer variant of their device. Sometimes in patent applications people will describe other 'embodiments' of their
'invention' that they may not have actually tried, but they want their patent application to cover as many bases as they can in case
some of the other variations might actually work. Anyone know if B&L actually demonstrated a one transformer configuration?
I guess if they kept the transformer hidden in a box in their demos then that may be unknown. :)
All the best...
Hello Void,
To put an end to your doubts about their ONE toroid module...........YES I have built it WITH PERFECT SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!
the AC clamp meter amperage was about a consistant 126-7 amp reading!!!!!!!!
They ONLY used this SINGLE toroid device as a LARGER OUTPUT module BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A ........LARGER.........WIRE GUAGE OR IT WILL BURN UP!!!!!!
to be able to use the toroid you showed you NEED to unwind the secondary coil windings AND GET RID OF THEM!!!!!!! THEY WILL KILL WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO!!!!!!
there is a DEFINITE WAY the secondary needs to be wound OR IT WONT WORK!!!!!!!
I will purposely NOT show ANYONE HOW IT IS WOUND at this time because you would just be cheating your self of MUCH VALUABLE EXPERIENCE AND COMPREHENSION if you do not build the TWO
TORID LOOP as I just previosly posted!!!!
After you make that TWO TOROID LOOP and achieve the 1.3 measured amps on the loop THEN I will explain to you IN DETAIL how you have achieved that success!!!!! KNOW that once you have
achieved that success there is NOT ONE DAMN THING in the world that can stop you from having success with ALL THE REST of the program AND THE LARGER MODULES!!!!!!
ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE PEOPLE
BUT I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO KNOWINGLY LET YOU TAKE TAKE A SHORT CUT!
Void I also would require a photo of your plain TWO toroid loop set up!!!! in this case YOU can be the leader of the pack for a change!!!!! wont that be nice.
Thanks and Cheers!
Clarence
Cl
Quote from: cheors on April 05, 2015, 03:26:44 AM
@Void
Try with only 1 or 2 turns.
Hi cheors. With one turn for the secondary, the input power to the transformer measured around 250 Watts
on the inline wattmeter, and the current on the one turn secondary measured around 380 to 400 Amps.
The 4 AWG wire became very hot after about 20 seconds or so.
All the best...
I can feel the satisfaction of some people put dislikes in my you-tube videos since i put the link in this topic, but i open to listen about their doubts if want .
I know to some people are obvious and frustrating when the results do not appear but if people have time to put dislike ,I assume they do not agree with what I show. try to leave some comment and will be more constructive .
Thanks
Quote from: Void on April 05, 2015, 12:25:13 PM
Hi cheors. With one turn for the secondary, the input power to the transformer measured around 250 Watts
on the inline wattmeter, and the current on the one turn secondary measured around 380 to 400 Amps.
The 4 AWG wire became very hot after about 20 seconds or so.
All the best...
Void
I just kicked on my unit for a quick look and reminder.
My TWO toroids at 119 v just draw 0.05 amps at 6 watts
the ac amps on the loop # 4 wire with my Fluke clamp meter measured 1.7 amps
which was above the idle normal of 1.3 amps. this because my unit was powering
my charger as A LOAD. which rise also demonstrates that the CAPTOR is doing what it is
SUPPOSED TO DO! OH HOW I LOVE IT!
LOVIN IT!
Clarence
Hey oldman :D
People in U.S. does not want FreeEnergyCAPTOR -want to pay for everything - to show own significance !! 8)
Don't mess them the fun !! Same is everywhere !! ;D ;D
Reg. and takecare !!
enjoykin
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 05, 2015, 01:33:56 PM
Hey oldman :D
People in U.S. does not want FreeEnergyCAPTOR -want to pay for everything - to show own significance !! 8)
Don't mess them the fun !! Same is everywhere !! ;D ;D
Reg. and takecare !!
enjoykin
seems that way!
take care also!
Clarence
EnJoyKin
You keep calling Clarence an old man, You see that post hole digger he's using
to make all those holes in frozen ground, and driving eight foot 5/8 [16MM] rods
down into frozen Iowa Tundra ...I know that I'm not getting anything in this Frozen
Connecticut ground for a few more weeks.
he could probably Crack walnuts between his thumb and forefinger :o
never mind the handshake he must have [like a vise I am certain]
I'd be careful with that "Old Man" stuff.
And to be certain people here and everywhere are interested in this claim.
Very much so....
ChetKremens@gmail.com
Hey Chet what's wrong with 'oldman' term ??
Clarence said - he is 77years old man from Iowa and for me it's quite OK and respectable !!
I don't know for U.S. - but in Russia any old man is RESPECTFUL and HONOURED !!
Does it strange for West world ?? :o
Reg.
Enjoukin
Well
I grew up in and around The NYC USA melting pot, so I know that we all have different
traditions ...
However "Old Man" would usually get you a VERY stiff Hand shake from the
the "Old Man" on the other side of the greeting...
usually would let go when your knees hit the ground and you were begging for mercy....
[happened to me as a Kid ,and several attempts in years since , I'm no kid anymore ;).
Clarence seems quite Young to me, I hope to be in that kind of shape when I get to his age.
but to be clear ...over here Old man is not a compliment. however I suspect Clarence has no problem with friends saying this. some try to use the term with affection ..
and then get the crushing hand shake afterwards ???
respectfully
Chet
Quote from: ramset on April 05, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
EnJoyKin
You keep calling Clarence an old man, You see that post hole digger he's using
to make all those holes in frozen ground, and driving eight foot 5/8 [16MM] rods
down into frozen Iowa Tundra ...I know that I'm not getting anything in this Frozen
Connecticut ground for a few more weeks.
he could probably Crack walnuts between his thumb and forefinger :o
never mind the handshake he must have [like a vise I am certain]
I'd be careful with that "Old Man" stuff.
And to be certain people here and everywhere are interested in this claim.
Very much so....
ChetKremens@gmail.com
Hello ramset,
your post about "the old man" gives me a laugh, thanks. however I am 77 yrs going on 150 as I say.
I do also believe as you say that there are those every where that are interested in desiring to do better for
themselves and the environment also at the same time which gives me encouragement.
I was drawn to this device in the first place because it is so simple when you think about it. low voltage for direct input to any ones
circuit breaker panel box, higher and higher amperage as you load it ability, 50 HZ or 60 HZ which ever you need, all of that at first is amazing.
maybe that is why people find it hard to receive when they hear results. B&L must have REALLY had a hill to climb for sure, my hats off to THEM for THEIR perseverance
indeed.
any way as I receive info so shall I post.
thanks again and cheers!
Clarence
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on April 05, 2015, 12:29:14 PM
I can feel the satisfaction of some people put dislikes in my you-tube videos since i put the link in this topic, but i open to listen about their doubts if want .
I know to some people are obvious and frustrating when the results do not appear but if people have time to put dislike ,I assume they do not agree with what I show. try to leave some comment and will be more constructive .
Thanks
Hey nelsonrochaa !! :D
I was watching many your videos and i think you are great researcher and smart man which think with own mind. I like your quality for sure !!
About likes and dislikes - solve the problem with easy. Just inhibit comments. Put a link/s on file/s and site/s. Will be enough. Who want to take informations he will - trolls sure will not.
Use OU-principle - Take it or leave it.
ps: people usually work like PID controllers. If the some system is lot sensitive to feedback - they will do everything to make the system out of work. Simple your reactions are feedback for them. Solver is simple: take control over the feedback and filter all like PID controllers do. :D
Reg.
Enjoykin
@ Clarence
Back to the toroids wiring:
I understand that they are identically wired : primaries in phase and secondaries also in phase. Right ?
Theorically the output current should be null.
You get 1.3A because components are not ideal (number of turns, ferrite compound , ...)
If i forget the 10 AWG "polarizing" wire connected to one side of the secondaries.
OK or i have missed something ?
Regards
Quote from: cheors on April 05, 2015, 03:45:24 PM
@ Clarence
Back to the toroids wiring:
I understand that they are identically wired : primaries in phase and secondaries also in phase. Right ?
Theorically the output current should be null.
You get 1.3A because components are not ideal (number of turns, ferrite compound , ...)
If i forget the 10 AWG "polarizing" wire connected to one side of the secondaries.
OK or i have missed something ?
Regards
Hello cheors,
it is still the same as I told void in my previous post to him. take ALL of the theoretical ideas in your head -rip them out-and
set them aside for awhile or they will just keep defeating you.
also you are still trying to"JUMP AHEAD" so to speak , without doing anything.
like I told void, you get TWO feritte toroids with primaries only and then YOU wind the secondaries as I have shown in photos I have
posted before, exactly as shown ( stop trying to guess about something), and then connect them exactly as have SAID to do it and then
post a photo of your completed CAPTOR LOOP assembly and THEN I will explain in detail WHY it works AND HOW it works......but
NOT until you do YOUR PART!!!!
I am simply NOT knowingly going to let any one take a short cut!!!!!!
the first one that completes the simple Captor loop set up and sends an ACTUAL photo of it completed will get to be LEADER OF THE PACK
for a change. and I already KNOW they are going to be Spitting out result values like pennies because they have tried it!!!
My advise is to also get one of the KILL-A-WATT meters to put in between the mains and the primaries of the toroids.
they are SO easy to use to see what you are doing. just a FINGER TOUCH ACTION. delightful!
Thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 05, 2015, 02:56:11 PM
Hey nelsonrochaa !! :D
I was watching many your videos and i think you are great researcher and smart man which think with own mind. I like your quality for sure !!
About likes and dislikes - solve the problem with easy. Just inhibit comments. Put a link/s on file/s and site/s. Will be enough. Who want to take informations he will - trolls sure will not.
Use OU-principle - Take it or leave it.
ps: people usually work like PID controllers. If the some system is lot sensitive to feedback - they will do everything to make the system out of work. Simple your reactions are feedback for them. Solver is simple: take control over the feedback and filter all like PID controllers do. :D
Reg.
Enjoykin
Hi Enjoykin,
Thanks for the tip , and for compliment.
If i put fakes all people will like and put positive vote, but i don't lie in anything that i show the people dislike lol.
The ignorance can blind people .
wish Luck for everyone.
Quote from: Clarence on April 05, 2015, 05:43:18 PM
Clarence
Quotetake ALL of the theoretical ideas in your head -rip them out-and
set them aside for awhile or they will just keep defeating you.
Thats tha ticket-throw out all common sense before continuing with this project :D
Quotelike I told void, you get TWO feritte toroids with primaries only and then YOU wind the secondaries as I have shown in photos I have
posted before, exactly as shown ( stop trying to guess about something), and then connect them exactly as have SAID to do it and then
post a photo of your completed CAPTOR LOOP assembly and THEN I will explain in detail WHY it works AND HOW it works......but
NOT until you do YOUR PART!!!!
And so it begin's-->Yes-go spend your money,and use your time to build a device that the inventor refuses to explain or show working until you do so.This is where you throw out common sense-->this is where you pay for your new car before you even know if it runs or not-->even the salesman refuses to start it for you.
Quotethe first one that completes the simple Captor loop set up and sends an ACTUAL photo of it completed will get to be LEADER OF THE PACK
This is where the leader of the pack must know he has the rest of the sheep following him,and doing what he says before you get to eat that nice green grass in the next paddock.
This is your chance to a claim to fame.
Quoteand I already KNOW they are going to be Spitting out result values like pennies because they have tried it!!!
Well i dont know about spitting out result's,but you will certainly be saying goodbye to some pennies.
QuoteMy advise is to also get one of the KILL-A-WATT meters to put in between the mains and the primaries of the toroids.
they are SO easy to use to see what you are doing. just a FINGER TOUCH ACTION. delightful!
You will also need a hydrometer to measure the pacific gravity value in your battery,as the most accurate and direct way to test the state of charge of a battery cell is to determine the specific gravity of the battery electrolyte,as floating voltage of a battery is no measure of stored energy within that battery.
You will also need a 3 or 4 channel scope that has simultaneous voltage and current waveform acquisition capability along with analysis functions.You can also use the NI PXI-4070 FlexDMM along with NI LabVIEW analysis function software. This is to measure the reactive power value that Clarence's meters will be missing.
So to bring back some of that common sense,you must ask yourself these questions.
1-Why do you have to use ferrite core toroids at these low frequencies?
2-Why dose Clarence insist that you buy and build before he has shown any sort of measurements of P/in and P/out?.
3-Why dose he refuse to explain or even do a loaded run for a couple of hours before you go and spend your cash,and use your time to build the device?.
What the hell,i have some cash to burn-->im going to build this wonder device.
Chet,i'll be in touch soon-may need some !!ferrite!! toroids if i cant locate them here in OZ.
https://www.sleepio.com/articles/sleep-science/what-happens-if-a-person-does-not-sleep/
If you really want to share with us : explain, first and show your device running ,two.
I don't understand why you want that people replicate without sufficient informations.
I have not enough money to start copying without a very well undestanding of how it works.
Cheers
what you need to understand, and young people often don't, Clarence is a wise old man, I also am an old man .. he wants people to know how to plant the potaoes, .. not just to be there to put them in their baskets after he has dug them out of the ground. you have to build on foundations, it also sorts out those who will commit themselves from the 'here today gone tomorrow' guys. .. There are lots of young kids out there talking hot rods, fuel injection and nitrous and they don't now how to change a fuel pump .. it's just time wasting and the older we get the less time we have to waste.
I'm a sceptic, but .. procrastinatiing doesn't get the job done. .. either do it or don't do it, sometimes you have to take chances .. and the guy who never made a mistake never made anything. Clarence isn't forcing anyone, if you want a shot at the lotto you buy a ticket.
i am an old man too.
Quote from: skribat on April 06, 2015, 03:15:40 AM
..
Quotehe wants people to know how to plant the potaoes, .. not just to be there to put them in their baskets after he has dug them out of the ground.
No point in planting potato's that wont grow. First let's see the crop grow before we go planting some more.
Quoteyou have to build on foundations
What foundations?. That is what we want to see first-solid foundations on which to build on.
QuoteI'm a sceptic, but .. procrastinatiing doesn't get the job done. .. either do it or don't do it, sometimes you have to take chances
Why dose anyone have to take chance when Clarence could quite easly remove all doubt of unwarranted chances-->remember,this is people's money and time you are playing with here.
Quoteand the guy who never made a mistake never made anything.
And this is what we are trying to avoid-undue mistakes.
QuoteClarence isn't forcing anyone,
Really?. He is saying-->spend money and time first,then i will tell you how it work's. So you are forced to build first if you want any answers as to how(and if) it works.
Quoteif you want a shot at the lotto you buy a ticket.
And as we have seen time and time again,there are those that actually win the lotto-->it's not a maybe or unknown,it is a fact.
Quote from: skribat on April 06, 2015, 03:15:40 AM
what you need to understand, and young people often don't, Clarence is a wise old man, I also am an old man .. he wants people to know how to plant the potaoes, .. not just to be there to put them in their baskets after he has dug them out of the ground. you have to build on foundations, it also sorts out those who will commit themselves from the 'here today gone tomorrow' guys. .. There are lots of young kids out there talking hot rods, fuel injection and nitrous and they don't now how to change a fuel pump .. it's just time wasting and the older we get the less time we have to waste.
I'm a sceptic, but .. procrastinatiing doesn't get the job done. .. either do it or don't do it, sometimes you have to take chances .. and the guy who never made a mistake never made anything. Clarence isn't forcing anyone, if you want a shot at the lotto you buy a ticket.
Hello skribat,
Sir you are 1000% on point! I enjoy being able to pass information on to valid fellow members as it become available. for whatever reason a few are nothing but impatience in totality and I consider the source and simply ignore it. I am retired and don't work for anyone. I help my family members on this farm which keeps me occupied time wise. sometimes it eats into my project time but oh well I get there!
I hear some whine about money and I can ALMOST understand. I am on a very low retirement rigid budget but if you recall my unit photos HERE I AM. wasn't by accident. the LORD has provided me. I
I used some of it to help myself and some of HIS other children. simple.
as soon as I FINISH the last connections of all the latest rods I will be able accomplish some results and make a post. however all the HURRY bugs will simply have to wait due time!
by the way; I will have to admit the feature of the rod installation (which is indeed necessary ) is QUITE a physical chore! one that may actually cripple B&L sales in Brazil (hopefully not for their sake)!
enjoyed your post!
thanks again.
BTW: the SECRET information everyone has been wanting has been right in front of your noses for months!
Hmmmmmm? wonder where that could be?
Clarence
hi Tinman .. what you say is quite true, the arguments you put forward are perfectly valid I don't have a problem with that. I think Clarence wants to start with a blank sheet of paper. Often the things we have already been taught and preconceived ideas get in the way of our following simple instructions. Do you remember when you first started working with computers? for me it was the early 1970's, remember how illogical much of it seemed to be, and 'Logic' .. it took me a while to get my head round that, I thought it all seemed totally illogical. young children learn fast because they know nothing, they take what they are given and accept it, it's the fastest way forward at that time in their development. .. ... I think Clarence wants us to start with a blank sheet and put to one side what we already know because it will get in the way of achieving the objective, it's his game, he makes the rules, we decide if we want to play.
What he is proposing to start with costs just a little but will provide the 'hands-on' understanding for what is to come. If we already understood what he wants us to know we would be doing it instead of talking about it. I include myself in this .. we are all guilty at some time of not seeing the elephant in the room. Just like you I am putting forward the other side of the argument. Let everyone choose which path to take maybe one of them will be good, nothing ventured nothing gained, good luck to all.
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on April 05, 2015, 11:38:19 AM
Hi void , i test with only transformer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ob1GY6dXs
Hi, Thank you for your video you can give us the plan of your experiment pleased
Quote from: skribat on April 06, 2015, 07:59:21 AM
hi Tinman .. what you say is quite true, the arguments you put forward are perfectly valid I don't have a problem with that. I think Clarence wants to start with a blank sheet of paper. Often the things we have already been taught and preconceived ideas get in the way of our following simple instructions. Do you remember when you first started working with computers? for me it was the early 1970's, remember how illogical much of it seemed to be, and 'Logic' .. it took me a while to get my head round that, I thought it all seemed totally illogical. young children learn fast because they know nothing, they take what they are given and accept it, it's the fastest way forward at that time in their development. .. ... I think Clarence wants us to start with a blank sheet and put to one side what we already know because it will get in the way of achieving the objective, it's his game, he makes the rules, we decide if we want to play.
What he is proposing to start with costs just a little but will provide the 'hands-on' understanding for what is to come. If we already understood what he wants us to know we would be doing it instead of talking about it. I include myself in this .. we are all guilty at some time of not seeing the elephant in the room. Just like you I am putting forward the other side of the argument. Let everyone choose which path to take maybe one of them will be good, nothing ventured nothing gained, good luck to all.
I agree-not all what we are taught are correct. But there comes a time when you will come across devices that are nothing out of the ordinary-->and this device fits that bill. Would you really buy a car without first seeing it run,and taking it for a test drive?. And why oh why is it a must that ferrite cores are used in sted of laminated steel cores at these low frequencies. Infact,steel laminated cores would be far better in this situation and at these low frequencies--Clarence will not even provide a reason for having to use ferrite cored transformers.It is things like this that should start the alarm bells ringing. I have tested steel laminated and ferrite toroid transformers of the same size side by side up to 7.5KHz,and the steel ones win hands down up until that frequency--so why the ferrite insistance?.
And why the refusal of a simple test run before we all have to start spending money?.
The answer is-he wants followers to adhear to his ruels.
And he knows that his device will not perform as expected or claimed.
Hello everyone :)
Run out from the maze is simple. Buy ticket to Iowa and check device from the first hand.
The TRUTH will show herself.
Reg,Enjoykin
Quote from: cheors on April 06, 2015, 04:05:39 AM
i am an old man too.
hi Cheors .. thanks for posting the B&L schematic again .. the thing I noticed first time I saw it a couple of years ago, and the one thing no one ever talks about but which I believe is very important is the 'trigger' .. seems to be a rotating magnetic 'Hall effect' trigger designed to set the pulse operating frequency in the system. Other people seem to have had good results from tuning the frequency, even Kapenadze with the basic spark generator. The Andrea Rossi device and many others use frequency tuning before they can can get results. I believe this is important or it wouldn't be included. I don't say this is the only way to achieve the optimum operating frequency, but not achieving the good frequency may be the reason why so many people have failed to replicate the B&L device. ?? sk
Is this another EMJunkie thread?
Skibrat,
I don't have a problem when someone wants to demonstrates leadership in a project, infact
I appreciate it. My problem is when people have a predefined set of things they absolutely
will not consider doing for no valid reason while excersizing this leadership in other areas
of the project. Too often it seems that a quick cleanly OU validation appears right
downstream from the stuff that can't possibly be done, for no valid reason. Don't forget
this is an educational opportunity where we show younger people how to do certain thing
that they may have never seen in other forums.
For example, simply because Clarence never intends to sell power back to the utility doesn't
mean nobody never intends to sell power back to a utility. Wouldn't it make sense for
Clarence to modify his long held belief to and "effectively" never sell any power back
to the utility so we cleanly demonstrate what is possible and what is not? The same thing
can be said about reducing AHour storage capacity of the system to low but resonable
levels and show the system continues to holds up for a reasonable long amount of time.
People say.."Why has it taken so long to make any OU systems available?" Well the above
is a big part of the reason. Whether, your you, John Tilly or A. Rossi people expect to have a
*Unitary* demonstrtion of new OU technology and have their questions answered in one
spot and not have to restart, restart and restart again and again the project under new
leadership. I trust either user tinman or lasersaber will show the entire picture as they
have done in their past project, if they complete this one.
I am going to continue to look with respect in the future to people who tend to show the whole
picture, and askance to people who portray partial pictures, no matter what they contain.
:S:MarkSCoffman
TinMan and Tinsel
If Clarence has figured out a method to pull energy into his system whilst completely
independent of the mains ..."that is impossible" [equipment issues aside]
and Needs more looking into ! Regardless if its 5 watts or 500 watts..
Chet K
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 06, 2015, 08:27:08 AM
Hello everyone :)
Run out from the maze is simple. Buy ticket to Iowa and check device from the first hand.
The TRUTH will show herself.
Reg,Enjoykin
Clarence is not located in Iowa. You just made that up.
Until a week ago or so, Clarence was still doing tests with his device by connecting it up to the
mains and powering loads like his microwave oven, and saying it could do amazing things, but the way the
device is wired to earth ground that would obviously just be a ground loop back to the mains neutral that was likely
providing much of the power, when using the mains as the power source. I have seen no specific details from Clarence as
of yet that Clarence's replication of the B&L device can keep the battery fully charged for any considerable length of time when
the device is powered only from a battery and inverter. Clarence has said he is in the process of installing more ground rods and
he will do more tests using only the battery and inverter as the power source once he gets all the new ground rods installed.
However in the last day or two Clarence seems to have gone off into the deep end a fair bit and started going on about how
he apparently sees himself as a 'leader of the pack', and how he will only post more info on his device if people do tests
exactly as he dictates, and that sort of thing. :o It is not looking very good at this point.
All the best...
Quote from: Void on April 05, 2015, 11:13:26 AM
@Clarence, in my test described above, I wasn't trying to test with the two transformer B&L configuration that you are experimenting with. ;)
As I stated in my comment above, I was trying a very basic preliminary test with the one transformer configuration shown in B&L's patent,
to just get an idea of what sort of power draw and current magnitudes would be involved with a 3 turn secondary, since I
don't have specific info on what sort of turn count B&L may have used on the secondary, if they even ever actually did experiment
with a one transformer variant of their device. Sometimes in patent applications people will describe other 'embodiments' of their
'invention' that they may not have actually tried, but they want their patent application(s) to cover as many bases as they can in case
some of the other variations might actually work. Anyone know if B&L actually demonstrated a one transformer configuration?
I guess if they kept the transformer hidden in a box in their demos then that may be unknown. :)
All the best...
try looking!
all the best!
Clarence
Quote from: Clarence on April 06, 2015, 10:40:24 AM
try looking!
all the best!
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Thanks, but I don't see any transformer in that photo you posted.
Does anyone have a link to a video or photo that shows how the secondary on the B&L single transformer
arrangement is wound? I have an idea of how this might have been done, but I wonder if there are
any photos or videos that show any of B&L's transformers and their winding arrangement at all?
All the best...
Quote from: Void on April 06, 2015, 10:49:57 AM
Hi Clarence. Thanks, but I don't see any transformer in that photo you posted.
Does anyone have a link to a video or photo that shows how the secondary on the B&L single transformer
arrangement is wound? I have an idea of how this might have been done, but I wonder if there are
any photos or videos that show any of B&L's transformers and their winding arrangement at all?
All the best...
LOOK AGAIN!
this is the unit that was covered by the plastic in my previous post!
Clarence
I don't care if this gizmo won't run 24/7 at 100% non stop. Nothing made by man will do that.
If it will run my household necessities for a day or two before it runs down that 1 battery, well that would be just fine with me.
Mack
Quote from: Clarence on April 06, 2015, 11:08:04 AM
LOOK AGAIN!
this is the unit that was covered by the plastic in my previous post!
Clarence
Hi Clarence. OK, I see that Ariovaldo apparently did some tests with an actual B&L single transformer device.
I don't know why you couldn't have just said that. ;)
I will go back and read through Ariovaldo's posts here when I get a chance and review what he was able to
find out in his tests.
P.S. It looks like Ariovaldo could not get the device to work and came to the conclusion that the device was
most likely a scam? Ariovaldo, are you out there?
All the best...
Quote from: MadMack on April 06, 2015, 11:50:47 AM
If it will run my household necessities for a day or two before it runs down that 1 battery, well that would be just fine with me.
Hi MadMack. There are no confirmations so far that I have seen that it can do even that however.
All the best...
Quote from: MadMack on April 06, 2015, 11:50:47 AM
I don't care if this gizmo won't run 24/7 at 100% non stop. Nothing made by man will do that.
Mack
My clock on the wall runs 24/7 at 100%,and thats man made.
My wife's rocking dolphin toy runs 24/7 at 100%,and thats man made-->and it's been running on the same 9 volt battery for over 12 years-->24/7--->aint that a hoot ;)
In fact,it is quite easy to put together a system or device that will run 24/7 at 100%__>and one that wont cost you a cent to run-->a true free energy system/device. Lets say you want to run a water pump 24/7-->you give me the specs on the pump,and i will put together a device that will run that pump!free of charge! 24/7 at 100% capacity--> a real free energy device made from !off the shelf! parts ;)----->oh,and you wont need 50 ground rod's,just 1.
Quote from: Void on April 06, 2015, 11:52:49 AM
Hi Clarence. OK, I see that Ariovaldo apparently did some tests with an actual B&L single transformer device.
I don't know why you couldn't have just said that. ;)
I will go back and read through Ariovaldo's posts here when I get a chance and review what he was able to
find out in his tests.
P.S. It looks like Ariovaldo could not get the device to work and came to the conclusion that the device was
most likely a scam? Ariovaldo, are you out there?
All the best...
read and dig deep and you most probably will be shocked when you find out.
Clarence
Tinman
non-stop = forever.
@all
Since Clarence has already given the information for the parts to build this I intend to do so. It might not need a small fortune in ground rods. It might just need 20 square feet of surface area. But if it does take 60 ground rods to work then so be it.
I already have an earth ground battery charger that requires no electrical or mechanical input and it works just fine, so I'm not as skeptical about this device as some folks.
OK folks - let's go from the begining
1st. This circuit (original Barbosa Leil or whatever who made Electron Captor - Electron Sucker or call it like you want WILL NOT WORK WITHOUTH
HV. GOT IT !! ABSOLUTELY CAN'T WORK !!
2 nd. Search on Tube videos with name UPWARD LIGHTING which is GIANT ELECTRON SUCKER OR CAPTOR OR WHATS SO EVER CALL IT.
3 rd. TELLURIC CURRENTS EXIST - GENIUS TESLA PROOVE IT.
ps @Void: Before make own conclusions - first do clear experiments with all initial condicions settled. Make short circuit with two wire everybody can do including kids.
This job need Clear Head, Sharp Mind , lack of emotions of anykind. And need systematic research not jumping ahead from one fake schematic to another.
These are very simple and objective rules. Take it or leave it. We need here constructive dialog not playing football game and fault starts.
Reg,Enjoykin
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 06, 2015, 02:06:37 PM
ps @Void: Before make own conclusions - first do clear experiments with all initial condicions settled. Make short circuit with two wire everybody can do including kids.
This job need Clear Head, Sharp Mind , lack of emotions of anykind. And need systematic research not jumping ahead from one fake schematic to another.
These are very simple and objective rules. Take it or leave it. We need here constructive dialog not playing football game and fault starts.
Reg,Enjoykin
Crikey. :o It often reminds me of the movie 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest' in these forums... ;)
Quote from: Void on April 06, 2015, 02:16:08 PM
Crikey. :o It often reminds me of the movie 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest' in these forums... ;)
Crikey be constructive like I am !! :D
Thanks
Enjoykin
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 06, 2015, 02:19:25 PM
Crikey be constructive like I am !! :D
Enjoykin, spamming various threads here with all sorts of nonsense without having any idea
what you are talking about is not at all constructive. ;)
All the best...
OK let's talk about CAPTOR !!
Watch - very slow motion upward lightning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnvMddYUrhg
What we need to replicate this real event in much smaller proportion and how ??
Quote from: Void on April 06, 2015, 02:23:35 PM
Enjoykin, spamming various threads here with all sorts of nonsense without having any idea
what you are talking about is not at all constructive. ;)
All the best...
Void - Why do you think I am spamming?. I haven't made any cheap experiments with two wires short circuited and I haven't made new phasical hypothesis.
I was presented my point of view and gave all of you some great ideas how i thnik its working. See my posts about Scalar Fields. I think simply and try to speak simply - so everybody can catch a sence of my ideas. This is main reason why i have not presented any formulas and equatons. KEEP IT SIMPLE - THIS IS A TIP FROM ALL GREAT PEOPLE,
Reg.
Enjoykin
ps: All similar conversations going all of us in blind-alley !!
Thank you
Enjoykin
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 06, 2015, 02:06:37 PM
OK folks - let's go from the begining
1st. This circuit (original Barbosa Leil or whatever who made Electron Captor - Electron Sucker or call it like you want WILL NOT WORK WITHOUTH
HV. GOT IT !! ABSOLUTELY CAN'T WORK !!
------
hi .. the device (arrowed) pointed to in the diagram you posted was refered to in the B&L patent description as the 'magnetic pulse generator' and as far as I can see serves the same purpose as the spark gap used in other devices. this appears to be used to set the circuit frequency, this seems to be important, I have seen demonstrations of coils being tuned electronically to their optimum frequency to reach maximum potential, Kapanadze did this by adjusting the length of wire/ number of turns on the coils. for the high tech approach to tuning, frequency, and coils I think you need to search for Akula .. (if I remember correctly) I would need to search my library. sk
Quote from: MadMack on April 06, 2015, 01:51:07 PM
Tinman
non-stop = forever.
@all
Since Clarence has already given the information for the parts to build this I intend to do so. It might not need a small fortune in ground rods. It might just need 20 square feet of surface area. But if it does take 60 ground rods to work then so be it.
I already have an earth ground battery charger that requires no electrical or mechanical input and it works just fine, so I'm not as skeptical about this device as some folks.
Could you elaborate just a bit on what sort of battery charger you have that needs not electrical or mechanical input? Maybe that slipped by others here but that sounds of considerable interest and while it may or may not be on topic if what you have is of interest we can start a separate message thread.
Quote from: MadMack on April 06, 2015, 01:51:07 PM
Tinman
non-stop = forever.
@all
Since Clarence has already given the information for the parts to build this I intend to do so. It might not need a small fortune in ground rods. It might just need 20 square feet of surface area. But if it does take 60 ground rods to work then so be it.
I already have an earth ground battery charger that requires no electrical or mechanical input and it works just fine, so I'm not as skeptical about this device as some folks.
Hello Mad Mack,
You are going to be delighted! all the warblers are buried in disbelief but that's their problem. be sure and have all your meters ready from the get go! as you go from stage to stage your fascination
is going to grow by leaps and bounds! as you stated all the explicit directions you need are already there.
if I can help in any way, other than measurements as you are not needful in that department since you will be doing your own on site, just say so and I will be glad to do it.
the man that will be looking back at you in the mirror is going to have a BIG smile on his face!
My best!
Clarence
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 06, 2015, 02:06:37 PM
1st. This circuit (original Barbosa Leil or whatever who made Electron Captor - Electron Sucker or call it like you want WILL NOT WORK WITHOUTH
HV. GOT IT !! ABSOLUTELY CAN'T WORK !!
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 06, 2015, 02:35:41 PM
Void - Why do you think I am spamming?.
Hi Enjoykin. Ariovaldo has stated that the device he took apart and analyzed does not make use of high voltage, it just uses the mains voltage,
or the voltage from an inverter, if you are using an inverter. The component you see in the schematic created by Ariovaldo may
be for voltage spike protection. Since Ariovaldo created that schematic, if he is around maybe he can explain what he intended there.
Your speculation about the device using high voltage is at complete odds with an actual device made by B&L. I doubt that will stop
you from continuing to state your unfounded speculations as 'fact' here however. ;)
The B&L single transformer device uses a shorted secondary winding. Ariovaldo tested and
then disassembled an actual device built (and sold, I presume) by B&L, but both Ariovaldo and the previous owner
of the device could not get it to work as it was claimed to work, even though Ariovaldo stated that the previous owner
had a very good ground system in place. Ariovaldo stated that Barbosa then made the excuse to the previous
owner of the device that the primary was not wound with the right amount of turns, and that is why he couldn't
get it to work. Why on earth would B&L make and sell a device that has the primary wound wrong? That sounds very suspicious...
Also, the current meter on the device panel is reading the current from the shorted secondary, which is completely
meaningless in regards to determining either the input or output power of the device. Ariovaldo noted that this
is very strange, and it is indeed a very odd thing to do. Also looks very suspicious.
Hi Void !!
Thank you for replay. :D
If Ariovaldo story is TRUE than it means he is a second hand owner and device did not worked in his hands. Facts !!
Now suppose first hand owner story is a TRUE and he did not fixed any thing in device so he just took and sold non working device to Ariovaldo.
Let's rotate viewing perspective.
What if a manufacturer - Barbosa, Leal or somebody third who stand undercover in shadow, simple took and removed high voltage module from device - which is main part and without him device doesn't work. You can't be sure - never because you don't know. Looking logically something is missing in that box and my oppinion is "HIGH VOLTAGE PULSING MODULE".
Thinking from that perspective all story has a great sence - because manu OU devices like Kapanaze, Akula, Roman Karnouhov etc. used HV pulsing to get OverUnity. Right !!
So Barbosa-Leil (or somebody unknown) device is not a simple transformer box but COMPLEX PULSED DEVICE.
Barbosa has simple SOLD story about wrong primary or similar mistakes. It's lie. Why he has potted complete device if primary or secondary were wrong ?? Nonsence. Some UDERCOVER forces were stopped spreading this technology in world.
That "spark gap" should not be there if device is not using HV module !!
Void think logically - who normally put "Spark Gap" for voltage spike protection in low voltage high current devices ?? Complete Nonsence !! But if the main function of spark-gap is to pulse transformer with HV it is some other story and i think in right direction.
I want to see Ariovaldo original schematic from his hands and if is possible to make short conversation with him. I think he can try to fix the problems with our (people from this thread) help and start device working - if he didn't sold it. :D
Thank you
Enjoykin
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 06, 2015, 06:05:20 PM
Hi Void !!
Thank you for replay. :D
If Ariovaldo story is TRUE than it means he is a second hand owner and device did not worked in his hands. Facts !!
Now suppose first hand owner story is a TRUE and he did not fixed any thing in device so he just took and sold non working device to Ariovaldo.
Let's rotate viewing perspective.
What if a manufacturer - Barbosa, Leal or somebody third who stand undercover in shadow, simple took and removed high voltage module from device - which is main part and without him device doesn't work. You can't be sure - never because you don't know. Looking logically something is missing in that box and my oppinion is "HIGH VOLTAGE PULSING MODULE".
Thinking from that perspective all story has a great sence - because manu OU devices like Kapanaze, Akula, Roman Karnouhov etc. used HV pulsing to get OverUnity. Right !!
So Barbosa-Leil (or somebody unknown) device is not a simple transformer box but COMPLEX PULSED DEVICE.
Barbosa has simple SOLD story about wrong primary or similar mistakes. It's lie. Why he has potted complete device if primary or secondary were wrong ?? Nonsence. Some UDERCOVER forces were stopped spreading this technology in world.
That "spark gap" should not be there if device is not using HV module !!
Void think logically - who normally put "Spark Gap" for voltage spike protection in low voltage high current devices ?? Complete Nonsence !! But if the main function of spark-gap is to pulse transformer with HV it is some other story and i think in right direction.
I want to see Ariovaldo original schematic from his hands and if is possible to make short conversation with him. I think he can try to fix the problems and start device working - if he didn't sold it.
Thank you
Enjoykin
Hi ,
Enjoykin i left my opinion about the spark gap subject , and the subject of toroidal transformer without the hv coil secondary.
The transformer toroid should have only the original primary in my case is 230v 50hz only the main primary.
about the "spark gap" :
Surge protector mechanism act like a pulse or spark gap. the effect can be achieved with diodes too.
This discharge will do the work of pulsing .
See :
Primary coil generate a pulse of voltage higher then source , so the surge protector discharge to ground . but we have a small coil around the closed loop that go to ground in series with load . This will generate a reversed high voltage because secondary is low turns so the induced voltage in primary will be very high, and the surge protector will discharge the excess again .
And the process will be repeat. but this is not a overunity is only a more efficiency process .
The closed loop is only to maintain the core of thyroidal transformer saturated. This is a MAG with feedback . Or saturable reactor with feedback.
Thanks
In reading the last few pages of this thread (I don't really follow this thread) I can see that Clarence and Enjoykin are engaging in fantasy talk. Very similar to Tito. It's just silly and assuming that they are both grown men, you wonder why they do it.
I have found over the years there are some common traits that you see when this happens. The fantasy talkers usually are not able to describe circuits with proper commonly known and understood technical concepts. I realize that for one at least English is not his first language. Even with that factored in, you can still see the "baby talk" when they talk about electronics. Hence, my assumption is that both of them are just bluffing with respect to their alleged electronics knowledge and the claims that this thing allegedly works. The other trait is the silly game of hints and teases and excuses for not showing any real data and the idea that you have to build it yourself to "prove it for yourself." It's the usual nonsense talk that we have all seen hundreds of times before.
So, don't hold your breath expecting someone to show anything special with Clarence's box, no matter how many earth grounds he drills. It's all some kind of strange theater of the absurd. If you want to be a bit tougher you can argue that both of them are getting some kind of mental masturbation with this. How they get satisfaction from doing a charade like this is beyond me.
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 06, 2015, 06:05:20 PM
who normally put "Spark Gap" for voltage spike protection in low voltage high current devices ?? Complete Nonsence !!
Hi Enjoykin. As I said, it was Avrioaldo who created that schematic based on the B&L device
that he had. What you are calling a spark gap may be voltage spike/surge suppressor for protection
against voltage spikes caused by lightning and that sort of thing, just like many power bars have these days.
If Ariovaldo is still around he can maybe provide more details on what he was indicating there in his schematic drawing.
All the best...
Milehigh: You come into this thread dismissing it . Yet you admit you haven't read it all.
That's just damned disrespectful and dishonest.
I am interested in this thread from the point of view of current amplification.
ie current transformers.
If the Don Smith devices work with HV why not with HA ie High amps.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 06, 2015, 08:14:19 PM
Milehigh: You come into this thread dismissing it . Yet you admit you haven't read it all.
That's just damned disrespectful and dishonest.
I read the last four full pages worth of this discussion so I got the "flavour" of the discussion.
I may be hedging my bets, but still: What's truly disrespectful and dishonest in this thread is the people with no credibility making false claims. Especially if they expect people to invest time and money in a project that won't work.
HHMMm
I don't believe Clarence is making an intentional false claim ,
and I would like to read more of his reports on this subject and his results , which he says will be forthcoming.
Chet
Hello Clarence,
Thank you for offering to help. My goal is 120vac 60hz 25 amp.
The main concern I have is the soil here may not be suitable and I would like to test it.
In your opinion can we safely say that "if you sink two test rods and get .4 volts DC then the soil is good enough"? Do you think .4 volts is a good figure to use?
What total voltage should I be getting from the earth ground system all by itself?
Also how many of your rods are connected 'to ground from the system' and how many are connected 'return to system' ? I ask because I wonder if there is an optimum ratio to hold to.
If you could answer these questions for me then I would know what to shoot for and I can get started on this.
Thank you
Mack
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on April 06, 2015, 07:03:49 PM
Hi ,
Enjoykin i left my opinion about the spark gap subject , and the subject of toroidal transformer without the hv coil secondary.
The transformer toroid should have only the original primary in my case is 230v 50hz only the main primary.
about the "spark gap" :
Surge protector mechanism act like a pulse or spark gap. the effect can be achieved with diodes too.
This discharge will do the work of pulsing .
See :
Primary coil generate a pulse of voltage higher then source , so the surge protector discharge to ground. but we have a small coil around the closed loop that go to ground in series with load . This will generate a reversed high voltage because secondary is low turns so the induced voltage in primary will be very high, and the surge protector will discharge the excess again .
And the process will be repeat. but this is not a overunity is only a more efficiency process .
The closed loop is only to maintain the core of thyroidal transformer saturated. This is a MAG with feedback. Or saturable reactor with feedback.
Thanks
Hello nelsonrochaa !! :D
Yes it have sence all what you have said - but i think spark-gap wiring is wrong in Ariovaldo schematic.
If you want you can try this SR193 old experiment with two toroidal transformers and HV sparks.
For maximum brightness HV spark should be fired exactly on top of positive half of sinusoide or on top of negative if you use negative HV source.
Both transformers are here because galvanic isolation from grid or sinus inverter. You can use LATR - autotransformer in voltage ratio 1:1.
nelsonrochaa watch old experiments of Russian Persian Princess :D
Эксперимент с 2 трансформаторами - (same configuration as SR193).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyDszwcuwlQ
Antigravity - It's easy - another experiment by Russian Persian Princess :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O_PkNv-pN8
Опыт 12 08 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jtjgAwXqGg
SR193 Репликация.rar - Replication of HV sparking sinus
http://rusfolder.com/43399521
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Her personal site
http://astralab.in/forum/index.php
Her channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/Hallavy/videos
Well since were all throwing junk together-->here is the Tesla reactor. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVffZOnerUk
Quote from: tinman on April 07, 2015, 06:08:38 AM
Well since were all throwing junk together-->here is the Tesla reactor. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVffZOnerUk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVffZOnerUk)
Nice junk yard project Tinman, complete with your unique brand of humour. :) Given that you've labelled it as a Tesla reactor, as opposed to a normal reactor, now wait for the 'is it overunity' questions! ;D
Quote from: a.king21 on April 06, 2015, 08:18:45 PM
I am interested in this thread from the point of view of current amplification.
ie current transformers.
If the Don Smith devices work with HV why not with HA ie High amps.
Something that might be worth experimenting with. Take a MOT with re-wired secondary for high current (welding trafo style). Then step-up the very low voltage, very high current output, through a Tesla type transformer and charge up caps, to then pulse discharge into lamps. This is another junk yard type project, that might just shed some light on the modus-operandi of the 'its so simple you'll laugh Kapanadze box devices.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 07, 2015, 06:37:01 AM
Nice junk yard project Tinman, complete with your unique brand of humour. :) Given that you've labelled it as a Tesla reactor, as opposed to a normal reactor, now wait for the 'is it overunity' questions! ;D
Hey,the OU bit is comeing for sure lol.
Here is the second video,and we have moved a bit of bedini in there now. We are also running on batteries,and now ready for the big loop system setup. :D Note how the run battery voltage has climbed,even though we are drawing power from it,and not returning any ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWPJXqUFD4o
Quote from: tinman on April 07, 2015, 07:46:49 AM
Hey,the OU bit is comeing for sure lol.
Here is the second video,and we have moved a bit of bedini in there now. We are also running on batteries,and now ready for the big loop system setup. :D Note how the run battery voltage has climbed,even though we are drawing power from it,and not returning any ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWPJXqUFD4o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWPJXqUFD4o)
Well... that's impressive! You've got nearly all the requirements for an electrical OU device: A maze of colored clipleads, a handful of DMMs, and of course.... batteries !!
But where are the light bulbs? Gotta have light bulbs.
Clarence
Too many ground rods can have side effects [shot from "EnJoy's" Villa during energy harvesting =]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8mSwCwZO1o&feature=youtu.be
**courtesy of Jim Boot ,with a question
quote
""What causes that path of least resistance and why does it grow in length? Ionized gases producing a pressure difference?""
end Quote
thx
Chet K
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 07, 2015, 08:25:46 AM
Well... that's impressive! You've got nearly all the requirements for an electrical OU device: A maze of colored clipleads, a handful of DMMs, and of course.... batteries !!
But where are the light bulbs? Gotta have light bulbs.
The bulbs are comeing TK,and LED's at that :P
Were also moving to the B modle,and i expect a far greater output from this one.
It's sure to go OU ;D
SSsssoo
I get the feeling that Clarence may have left the building, I surely hope this is NOT the case,
however I would greatly appreciate it if those who are not interested in replicating or experimenting would allow those who are interested to continue .
To whom it may concern
next time a commercial comes on during your SpongeBob Squarepants show go visit another thread....
Please leave this one alone.
thx
Chet
Chetkremens@gmail.com
One more time, you are misguided Chet. The last few pages of this thread were filled with unsubstantiated nonsense from Clarence. When somebody talks junk, and balks when people ask him for proof, and tells people to go out and spend time and money to build it themselves, then you have all the trappings of a classic nonsense thread. Beyond that, from what I saw, Clarence wouldn't even be able to make a convincing demo clip and generate solid data because in all likelihood he doesn't possess the knowledge or the skills to do that.
If you have no idea how to bake a cake, and you do it anyways, and then present it to people to taste it and comment, they are going to say the cake was crap. Who is going to object if someone presents crusty goop instead of a cake and people comment and say the cake was awful? Clarence is doing the same thing with respect to electronics.
You can put on your blinders and put your hands over your ears and hum loudly when when people with some experience in electronics say something is crap. You are disrespecting people that have accumulated knowledge and experience and instead are supporting electronics clowns that don't even know what they are talking about in the unfounded and unreasonable faint hope that somebody is going to pull a rabbit out of their hat.
The only solution is to just let people say what they want to say. Stop being a bouncer. There is a difference between straight no-nonsense comments about some implausible electronics fantasy and outright mean-spirited trolling. Myself and others have made our comments for the benefit of all reading. Some might not like reading the comments, tough luck for them.
Where is Clarence to defend himself? Where is Clarence to acknowledge that he has to demonstrate competence in electronics, make his case with a convincing argument, and produce data that is honest and credible and verifiable? What about "saving the world" and "preventing millions of people from starving to death because of the advent of cheap, plentiful free energy?"
So far, the answer is that he is nowhere. There is a decent chance that my earlier comments about his silly motivations and incompetence in electronics are 100% true. If that is the case, then his little "magic pitch" is just a farce like I stated.
Just let people speak their minds. If Clarence wilts and fades away, then with almost 100% certainty he was pure BS. The net result is that yet another useless "noise maker" has disappeared. Just look at the recent example of Chris/EMJunkie and his silly funky transformer circuit. It quickly became apparent that Chris could not punch his way out of a wet paper bag when it came to electronics. You should have seen him boast about his supposed knowledge and demonstrate a lot of fake arrogance. He was exposed for the real truth about his circuit and he ran away and now he probably continues to BS from the confines of his web site. At least on this forum he is not wasting anybody's time anymore.
MileHigh
Quote from: ramset on April 07, 2015, 06:40:37 PM
SSsssoo
I get the feeling that Clarence may have left the building, I surely hope this is NOT the case,
however I would greatly appreciate it if those who are not interested in replicating or experimenting would allow those who are interested to continue .
To whom it may concern
next time a commercial comes on during your SpongeBob Squarepants show go visit another thread....
Please leave this one alone.
thx
Chet
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Skeptic Power! Just asking questions (like "where's the data?") or making demands (like Show Me The Data) drives the sensitive OU inventor back into the woodwork Yet Again. Shame on you, Skeptics, don't you know that people who have OU devices have very thin skins? No criticism, no questions, no demands for data are allowed, you don't want to scare them away. Remember EMJunkie!
And of course pointing out what's wrong with the original claims of Barbosa and Leal... that's just trolling, isn't it? Like the Brazilian single wire earth-return electrical distribution system, the failure of Arivaldo's purchased system to work, the criminal convictions of B&L .... none of that is relevant. Clarence says he has self-running OU, therefore he has it, QED, no arguments from the peanut gallery please.
Or maybe... just maybe.... his batteries finally ran down after all.
Hi Clarence!
Here is our replication of your device. As i said before here the ground outside is still deeply frozen so we improvise with the grounding part... The neutral of the the primary goes to sewers cast iron pipe and the return ground came from the main house ground copper water pipe.
One other thing different of your setup is the primary of the 2 toroidal transformer are wound all over the toroid... they are factory made transformer (primary 120vac, sec 12vac removed)
The system work! it seem to charge the battery while runing and ligh a 50w load. :)
But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...
Can you help me with this issue??
Thank you! :)
Wistiti
can you make that image smaller ,it made the whole page HUGE.
Milehigh and Tinsel
I really could have waited a few days [7] to read what Clarence
had to say, Much better than this "throw the Bum out" tactic from
fellows who are not the least bit interested in his claims.
a Passing thought from MH "oh I just dropped By to tell you guys
your idiots for watching whatever it is your watching.
And Tinsel I honestly have no idea what Clarence was
going to show us ,but it would have been much better
than this...{nothing]
Yeah we learned a lot here........
I have personally been burned by groundloops I really wanted to
understand just what Clarence was seeing.
"Oh I just dropped By to tell you guys your idiots for watching whatever it is your watching."
Making a straw man argument does not help anything. I never said that.
Mh
Yeah that's how your post reads....
I personally was very interested in How Clarence was making this claim
I have been burned By groundloops many times ,you showing up and giving
this NASTY potty mouth comment to what you felt was happening to a room full
of fellows trying to understand exactly what he was doing is completely inappropriate.
not good at all.
I could see how the Chris thing got out of hand ..the man was rude
here you were rude.
Sorry, but the rude guy is the guy that refuses to offer up any proof of his claims and wants people to go out and spend time and money to build it anyways.
Beyond that, all that you have to do it look at the schematic and pass judgment on it. No combination of passive and active electronics components can be configured to produce free energy. That means you can play with resistors, capacitors, MOSFETS, transistors, spark gaps, and coils coils coils until you are blue in the face and you will not be able to extract a single drop of free energy from any circuit.
Yes, I know that people play with electronic circuits all the time in search of free energy. However, what I stated above is true and is holding true. Once in a while I make a comment. Clarence had a lot of attitude and swagger, so I felt it would be appropriate to comment here.
Hey, he can come back and act with the minimum expectation for normal behaviour when it comes to this subject matter: Explain your alleged technology and show your well documented experiments and well documented data and demonstrate competency in electronics.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/11/19/police-fake-doctor-injected-cement-super-glue-into-womans-buttocks-for-enhancement-procedure/
QuoteMorris allegedly injected the victim with a combination of cement, mineral oil, Fix-a-Flat tire sealant and super glue, then sealed the incision with more super glue, police said.
There are folks here who claim they know ALL of electricity? ::)
I got news for you. Don't buy everything you read in textbooks about electricity. Most of EM theory and the books written on it are worthless paperweights. I would encourage people to go out and actually make something rather than just sitting here and commenting on what Clarence has written in these pages. If you have a objection to what Clarence has written then I'd like to hear it. The only person who has thrown a technical objection is Tinman and I can see where he is coming from.
Clarence has done a mighty fine job documenting the results of his Captor setup. Let him continue.
MH
I'm really not interested in your mantra ,I could probably recite it from memory by now
I am interested in what Clarence was doing and how he was taking his measurements
which he said he would share when he had time.[next week]
it would have been a good thing to know ,for all concerned.
have a good night
Chet
Chet:
If Clarence is real he will do just what you are hoping for. But, if he presents amateurish junk data then that should be stated by someone. Don't blame me for "scaring him away" either. I believe he claims he is a 77-year-old grown man, correct?
BringDown:
QuoteMost of EM theory and the books written on it are worthless paperweights.
I can only assume that you are stating that from a position of ignorance. Your computer, your cellphone, and your multi-megabit home wireless network, and your 19-megabit per second over-the-air local digital television stations are all working just fine, correct?
MileHigh
Forget Barbosa and Leal for a moment because that would be too much for you to handle. Who can tell me the theory and what is going on with this simple circuit ? Anyone ? :)
[Joule Thief Shorted.10 times more light]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8
Quote from: MileHigh on April 07, 2015, 10:18:37 PM
Chet:
If Clarence is real he will do just what you are hoping for. But, if he presents amateurish junk data then that should be stated by someone. Don't blame me for "scaring him away" either. I believe he claims he is a 77-year-old grown man, correct?
BringDown:
I can only assume that you are stating that from a position of ignorance. Your computer, your cellphone, and your multi-megabit home wireless network, and your 19-megabit per second over-the-air local digital television stations are all working just fine, correct?
MileHigh
MileHigh,
Sorry mate but the computer, cellphone and the wireless networks are worthless heaters and you know it. Don't know if you know how they work or if you are claiming that it is the only way to work with electric circuits but you should take another good look at the claims in the books.
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 07, 2015, 10:36:54 PM
Forget Barbosa and Leal for a moment because that would be too much for you to handle. Who can tell me the theory and what is going on with this simple circuit ? Anyone ? :)
[Joule Thief Shorted.10 times more light]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8)
First, that is no where near "10 times more light' as claimed. Second...what is so special about what he is doing? He is using a variable air cap and is changing the capacitance of his circuit. His inductor was changed by the addition of the magnets to the ferrite. (We all did this 7 years ago in the JT topic) Then he added a ceramic cap to the inductor. Where is the short?
Let me know when he can light 400 leds from his single AA battery like I did 7 years ago, and then we can talk. Every one of my 400 leds were brighter than his "10 times brighter" leds
Bill
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Quote from: wistiti on April 07, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...
Hi Wistiti. From Clarence's description of having very low current (around approx. 1.3 to 1.5 Amps or so) in his secondary loop
(with no load connected, I think), it sounds like he may well have the two secondary windings connected to each
other as phase opposing. Try connecting the connecting wires on the secondaries the other way around, and see
if that reduces the current in the secondaries.
All the best...
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 07, 2015, 10:36:54 PM
Forget Barbosa and Leal for a moment because that would be too much for you to handle. Who can tell me the theory and what is going on with this simple circuit ? Anyone ? :)
[Joule Thief Shorted.10 times more light]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8)
Well, it's hard to state exactly why when just looking at that clip because there are no scope traces to be found.
The guy says this:
QuoteThis joule thief works much better when the ferrite core is shorted with a wire - a magnet or a capacitor. I adjust the trim capacitor for the best resonance.
He says "better" meaning "brighter." Notice that he doesn't even discuss the fact that the draw from the battery has increased. He says "best resonance" but the problem is that a Joule Thief doesn't even resonate.
A possible short answer is that the effective inductance of the toroidal transformer is reduced a lot, causing higher frequency operation and increased current draw from the battery. But without a proper bench analysis you are flying blind. However, without some kind of agreed upon metric like Lumens per watt of power draw, "better" is not even defined.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 07, 2015, 10:44:35 PM
First, that is no where near "10 times more light' as claimed. Second...what is so special about what he is doing? He is using a variable air cap and is changing the capacitance of his circuit. His inductor was changed by the addition of the magnets to the ferrite. (We all did this 7 years ago in the JT topic) Then he added a ceramic cap to the inductor. Where is the short?
Let me know when he can light 400 leds from his single AA battery like I did 7 years ago, and then we can talk. Every one of my 400 leds were brighter than his "10 times brighter" leds
Bill
Hello Bill.
I did not ask for a passing judgement on the circuit thanks very much. I asked the gurus what the conventional electrical/electronics has to say about the observed effect ( ... even if it is feeble).
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 07, 2015, 10:43:45 PM
MileHigh,
Sorry mate but the computer, cellphone and the wireless networks are worthless heaters and you know it. Don't know if you know how they work or if you are claiming that it is the only way to work with electric circuits but you should take another good look at the claims in the books.
It's very hard to respond to that. I don't think you think that your computer or cellphone are useless heaters.
What is your level of exposure to "the claims in the books?"
Quote from: MileHigh on April 07, 2015, 11:01:55 PM
Well, it's hard to state exactly why when just looking at that clip because there are no scope traces to be found.
The guy says this:
He says "better" meaning "brighter." Notice that he doesn't even discuss the fact that the draw from the battery has increased. He says "best resonance" but the problem is that a Joule Thief doesn't even resonate.
A possible short answer is that the effective inductance of the toroidal transformer is reduced a lot, causing higher frequency operation and increased current draw from the battery. But without a proper bench analysis you are flying blind. However, without some kind of agreed upon metric like Lumens per watt of power draw, "better" is not even defined.
MileHigh,
Draw the circuit and you will know the answer to what is causing the increase in output and along the way you'll begin to appreciate the B&L circuit.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 07, 2015, 11:04:24 PM
It's very hard to respond to that. I don't think you think that your computer or cellphone are useless heaters.
What is your level of exposure to "the claims in the books?"
What's that noise in the computer ? Look ma its a fan!
Take another good look inside your computer and let me know if you think its the best electrical circuit because it ain't. If you cannot understand why the fan is needed and how it relates to EM theory then I think you are not worth teaching anyways.
I know from experience that I am probably wasting my time stating this, but the topic of discussion here in this thread is about B&L devices...
There once was a time long before the advent of the internet that common courtesy was, well, somewhat common.
Not so much any more it seems... ;)
All the best...
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 07, 2015, 11:20:08 PM
Take another good look inside your computer and let me know if you think its the best electrical circuit because it ain't. If you cannot understand why the fan is needed and how it relates to EM theory then I think you are not worth teaching anyways.
Well, that merits a classic LOL.
Quote from: Void on April 07, 2015, 11:23:11 PM
I know from experience that I am probably wasting my time stating this, but the topic of discussion here in this thread is about B&L devices...
There once was a time long before the advent of the internet that common courtesy was, well, somewhat common.
Not so much any more it seems... ;)
All the best...
That's fake drama in my opinion. The B&L claim is more than a year old. Correct me if I am wrong, but perhaps the only thing that Clarence's claim had is in common with B&L's claim is the alleged requirement for a ground connection. By some force of magic the ground is supposed to "supply the electrons to power the device."
Threads can't possibly stay on topic for something like a year and a half. They wander around, especially if no great proof or demo happens after the original claim.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 07, 2015, 11:28:25 PM
That's fake drama in my opinion. The B&L claim is more than a year old. Correct me if I am wrong, but perhaps the only thing that Clarence's claim had is in common with B&L's claim is the alleged requirement for a ground connection. By some force of magic the ground is supposed to "supply the electrons to power the device."
Threads can't possibly stay on topic for something like a year and a half. They wander around, especially if no great proof or demo happens after the original claim.
MileHigh,
Before you claim its some form of magic, you'll need to have basic understanding of what is going on in the circuit. I'm afraid you don't cut it.
Quote from: wistiti on April 07, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Hi Clarence!
Here is our replication of your device. As i said before here the ground outside is still deeply frozen so we improvise with the grounding part... The neutral of the the primary goes to sewers cast iron pipe and the return ground came from the main house ground copper water pipe.
One other thing different of your setup is the primary of the 2 toroidal transformer are wound all over the toroid... they are factory made transformer (primary 120vac, sec 12vac removed)
The system work! it seem to charge the battery while runing and ligh a 50w load. :)
But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...
Can you help me with this issue??
Thank you! :)
The main reason why wires get hot and melt is that they are too thin for the job in hand.
At the beginning of electrics, the gas fitters and plumbers got the job of installing early electrical systems.
There was little practical experience of house wiring in those days, so these new "electricians" were told that if the wire gets hot use thicker wire!!
So use much thicker wire and it will solve your problem.
Good luck and I look forward to discussing your circuit later, to make sure you aren't using some one else's electricity!
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 07, 2015, 11:33:27 PM
MileHigh,
Before you claim its some form of magic, you'll need to have basic understanding of what is going on in the circuit. I'm afraid you don't cut it.
Can you link to a schematic and a description of how the circuit allegedly works? Alternatively, a link to a schematic and your description of how the circuit allegedly works.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 07, 2015, 11:58:01 PM
Can you link to a schematic and a description of how the circuit allegedly works? Alternatively, a link to a schematic and your description of how the circuit allegedly works.
You'll just have to look them up yourself or even flip a few pages back in this thread.
I would have thought you knew how it allegedly works. It's not the biggest mystery in the world come to think of it. I'm beginning to think that there is no technical objection from anyone on this thread so far.
The thread is 86 pages and I would not be surprised if in the last 15 pages a dozen different circuits have been discussed. So I am requesting a link. You did not address the issue of an explanation for how it allegedly works.
QuoteI would have thought you knew how it allegedly works. It's not the biggest mystery in the world come to think of it.
Actually it is one of the biggest mysteries in the world. Hundreds and hundreds of claims of excess energy based on various types of electronic circuits, and no definitive proof that any claim is true based on serious testing and measurements done by multiple impartial third parties. Heck, almost all the time the claimant doesn't even present credible data.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 01:47:28 AM
The thread is 86 pages and I would not be surprised if in the last 15 pages a dozen different circuits have been discussed. So I am requesting a link. You did not address the issue of an explanation for how it allegedly works.
Actually it is one of the biggest mysteries in the world. Hundreds and hundreds of claims of excess energy based on various types of electronic circuits, and no definitive proof that any claim is true based on serious testing and measurements done by multiple impartial third parties. Heck, almost all the time the claimant doesn't even present credible data.
MH, This is the Clarence circuit you were looking for?
I cannot understand your frustration on serious testing. There is no better test than having it running for days and collecting data like Clarence has.
He has been providing clear data on this device like measurements on the input. What exactly is your claim ? That passive circuits cannot make overunity? That's just absurd.
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg442810/#msg442810
If anyone is looking for a sine inverter this could be it. You can build a 500watt inverter with just one toroid.
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 08, 2015, 03:18:18 AM
QuoteHe has been providing clear data on this device like measurements on the input.
Where?
Here is his data on the device from the link you provided.
Quote:-->I attached the new block schematic of my improved unit.
It will remain in this form for a long time As it is very simple! It has way less components and is therefore more cost effective!
It also Has produced a unit that IS SELF POWERING!!!!!
Quote:-->I will get into the self powering aspect later also. for now just KNOW THAT IT IS VALID!
I suspect the !gettin into the self powered bit later will be much much later ::)
QuoteI cannot understand your frustration on serious testing. There is no better test than having it running for days and collecting data like Clarence has.
Where is this data you keep speaking off?-->that is all we want from Clarence,not his house or car-->just some reliable data.
QuoteWhat exactly is your claim ? That passive circuits cannot make overunity? That's just absurd.
Please show passive OU device.
Quote from: wistiti on April 07, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Hi Clarence!
But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...
Can you help me with this issue??
Thank you! :)
Like i said a few pages back.
If the windings are in phase,you have a big nothing transformer. If one winding is wound out of phase,you have a big heater. You might aswell just conect that big thick wire across your 12 volt battery terminal :D
I will defend everyone's right to hold their own opinion but some of this recent bad mouthing has surprised me .. some of you guys sitting around chewing the fat with the intention perhaps of trying to make someone look bad? .. first comes the ridicule, then the denial and afterwards the acceptence ..
Clarence asked you for nothing . .. his task was to replicate the B&L device, in doing this he found .. let's say things written into the B&L patent which didn't make sense to him so he went back to the beginning .. a very good place to start, he sifted through what he saw and ignored what he believed was misleading. Maybe it was just his lucky day but eventually got it to work. It is still his aim to replicate the device, 'proof of concept' but ignoring the 'smoke and mirrors trcks'
What Clarence said is that if anyone wants to copy what he has built he is prepared to share what he has learned and help them to do this, however he doesn't have time for 'bullshit' ... if you don't want to do it don't .. this is not some 'computer check-up scam' where you have to hand over your credit card details then claim back your money .. HE ASKED YOU FOR NOTHING .. While some of you here are sitting around bad mouthing he's gone off to get the job done ... there are those who do and those who don't. If you don't agree with what he says, if you have a different opinion fine but what has been going on here is not so very different to trolling. If anyone has evidence that that C is a snake oil salesman .. 'Marchande de tapis' as the french say, please post that evidence or leave the guy alone until you can.
There are many of us here who want to see this project carried through to the end. If you just look around at previous projects which have been successful they all have one thing in common .. they were bought up by big money to deny the people access, here you have an opportunity to share in something, maybe before it too disappears. People will decide for themselves if they want to take part in the build or if they just want to sit back and watch to see how it all works out .. but it is wrong to try to block the project on the basis that some of you don't believe. The best advice you can give anyone is DON'T SPECULATE WITH MONEY YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE .. but if everyone sits back and does nothing we will all have nothing, please don't discourage the adventurers, the explorers, those amongst us who are brave enough to take a chance on succeeding where others have not. Some will fail, that is always the case, but they will have tried and the results of their efforts, the things they learn on the way will serve to help others go forward. What we should say is good luck to all of those who try, what they do they do for us.
No heat if primaries and secondaries are in phase Ok.
But wiring is confusing for me.
Clarence, did you and why did you modify the connections of one of the transformers ?
Are primaries in phase or not ?
Thanks for your answer
regards
Left transformer primary ?
Wistiti, did you try my suggestion I made a little earlier to your issue with high current?
If so, what was the result? Just want to make sure you saw my reply amongst all the spam
that is getting posted here lately... ;)
All the best...
Quote from: skribat on April 08, 2015, 04:41:33 AM
Here is the same crap we hear all the time.
QuoteClarence asked you for nothing
Clarence has given no proof other than--trust me,it works,it's a self runner. You will go and buy the parts i specify,and build if you want to know how it works -->then i will tell you how it works.<---These are his words.
Quotesome of you guys sitting around chewing the fat with the intention perhaps of trying to make someone look bad? .. first comes the ridicule, then the denial and afterwards the acceptence ..
Some one looks bad when they claim to have a self runner,and ask that others buy and build before he show's and tells you how it works.
QuoteMaybe it was just his lucky day but eventually got it to work. It is still his aim to replicate the device, 'proof of concept' but ignoring the 'smoke and mirrors trcks'
Where is this working device?-->we have seen nothing working at all that shows a self runner.
Why dose he have to replicate his own !self running! device?.
QuoteWhat Clarence said is that if anyone wants to copy what he has built he is prepared to share what he has learned and help them to do this, however he doesn't have time for 'bullshit'
Bullshit is making claim to a self runner,and asking people to spend money and time on building it before he shows a working prototype-->thats bullshit right there.
Quoteif you don't want to do it don't .. this is not some 'computer check-up scam' where you have to hand over your credit card details then claim back your money .. HE ASKED YOU FOR NOTHING ..
He has claimed a self runner,and he has asked you to build it before he backs up his claim.This build will cost you money. Sure ,it's your choice to spend the money to build it,but you will be doing so under faulse claim's.
QuoteWhile some of you here are sitting around bad mouthing he's gone off to get the job done ... there are those who do and those who don't.[/quote]
And those that know better,and are only trying to save others money and time.
QuoteIf you don't agree with what he says, if you have a different opinion fine but what has been going on here is not so very different to trolling.
Since when has asking for proof of a claimed self runner been trolling?.
QuoteThere are many of us here who want to see this project carried through to the end. If you just look around at previous projects which have been successful they all have one thing in common .. they were bought up by big money to deny the people access,
Biggest load of horse shit i have ever heard. Please show just one device that was a self runner that was bought up by big money. just like the rest that make this claim over and over,you will not present one device,as there has been no OU/self running devices bought by any one,because one has never been made.
Quotehere you have an opportunity to share in something, maybe before it too disappears.
The self running device wont disappear,as there isnt one. But Clarence will do a runner any time now__>that will be the only self runner you see on this thread.
QuoteWhat we should say is good luck to all of those who try, what they do they do for us.
Good luck ;)
There are two types of people: Those who encourage and those who discourage.
The title of this site is overunity.
Those who do not like it should find another site, instead of annoying people here.
We are all big boys on this site and know that we do things at our own risk -
and we do not need baby sitters.
Certain members have come on to this site dismissing it without even bothering to find
what is going on. That is just disrespectful.
If you are reading this Clarence, I am interested in your findings even if they are a fail in the end.
All scientific research is useful.
Clarence: Why don't you just pm the good guys with your results. It's easy enough.
That way we get away from the garbage on this thread.
A.king21, Void, Skribat, others:
Here are some issues for you to consider:
Some people have a real problem with the free exchange of ideas. They say, "Oh! Somebody that disagrees with me is spamming or trolling!" Or they say, "Oh! Somebody that says something I disagree with is spamming or trolling!" Or they say, "Oh! Discouragement is not nice and should not be allowed!" Or, "Oh! I am annoyed by people that disagree with me or people that say things that I don't like and those people should go away!"
There has been no spamming or trolling taking place recently in this thread. Anyone that makes that claim is lying. You do not have the right to redefine words for your own convenience in order to falsely make an argument or falsely impugn others.
Do you want to live your life in a straighjacket and self-imposed censorship where people can only say things that you want them to say and you only hear things that you want to hear? They tried that in many countries and where they are successful those countries are among the worst places on Earth to live.
What happens when you become the person that is saying the "wrong things?" What then? Look at history and learn the lessons it is supposed to teach you. Turn off the self-brainwashing and learn to truly think freely.
MileHigh
Woow what a new dramatic art in this thread. :o
BE or NOT TO BE - questin is now ???? ;D ;D ;D
Hey Chet (ramset) - To be clear - I experct from you to clean this thread from trolls and take control over the "Dogs od Drama" so normal people here can continue his work and discussion about Barbosa and Leal Captor. Thanks !!
Reg.
enjoykin
Enjoykin
When I was a kid Dad would come into the room and tell us it was time to got to Bed
Dad was [still is] a big Guy ...so we went to bed.
Well we were visiting Dad years later and Much older [girlfriends Wives aunts uncles ETC
and dad Walks into a room full of adults and says "its time for Bed" ...
I started to get up and listen to Dad .. HOWEVER Kid Brother says to Dad.
"DAD do you realize your talking to a room full of adults that can well decide how to manage their lives and time... [I sat down]...Dad Looked like he wanted to Choke Kid Brother.. however he didn't and said good night and left the room.
here we have a similar scenario ...in MH's attitude A man walks into a room full of adults having a conversation and makes inappropriate comments and assumptions.
I do not feel this way about experimenters like Tinsel and Tinman asking questions ,they are truly trying to evaluate whether they can afford to invest yet again in another claim.
for TinMan this is especially Ruff ,because we understand his nature and he would already have replicated some part of this if he had the bits and pieces laying around.[honestly I feel Tinsel would also]
Tinsel did make some statements regarding credibility of the two Brazilians
He said that these two Brazilians were Prosecuted [no further details from Tinsel]
Yes they were prosecuted for owning an electrical meter [how does that effect credibility]
Tinsel also said that Arivaldo's unit did not work..I was told he purchased it knowing it was "broken"
and chose to disassemble it for investigation.
**and the Biggest claim of all being that in Brazil they were showing Peeps how to steal from the grid
when in fact the two Brazilians claim they can run exactly as Clarence is now doing [albeit slowly]
COMPLETELY autonomous of the grid.
** If I am wrong please do not hesitate to correct me !
So here we have a man trying perhaps not to stick his head up Too high and still trying to help
people here replicate something which should not be possible, we are after all at OU.Com
and we pay attention to these types of claims .
I would greatly appreciate an opportunity to investigate this publicly, Too many times these things have to go off the front page .
If I was Clarence and I didn't want to stick my head up Too high I would probably
do what Clarence is doing ,something Like "here Do this and you'll see you don't need a meter",
it will be self evident ".
I have heard that Clarence read a certain post here threw up and left...
I hope the bitterness will subside and we can all get back to being responsible adults.
I for one am tremendously interested in what Clarence was trying to share .
AS Are Many others here [including TinMan and Tinsel]
ChetKremens@gmail.com
Quote from: tinman on April 08, 2015, 04:24:00 AM
Where?
Here is his data on the device from the link you provided.
Quote:-->I attached the new block schematic of my improved unit.
It will remain in this form for a long time As it is very simple! It has way less components and is therefore more cost effective!
It also Has produced a unit that IS SELF POWERING!!!!!
Quote:-->I will get into the self powering aspect later also. for now just KNOW THAT IT IS VALID!
I suspect the !gettin into the self powered bit later will be much much later ::)
Where is this data you keep speaking off?-->that is all we want from Clarence,not his house or car-->just some reliable data.
Please show passive OU device.
I'm done drip feeding people with information. The data is all there in these pages last few pages.
The only thing preventing anyone from achieving free energy is not looking. People are afraid to come here and give details on devices because they will be accused and character assassinated.
"The only thing preventing anyone from achieving free energy is not looking." no, the only thing preventing anyone from achieving free energy is because it does not exist in the sense of 'multiplication, amplification or creation of energy'.
Not that we need it in the first place: look up Thorium and liquid fuel reactors, a.k.a. LFTR.
There is no shortage of energy as such; only specific forms in specific places.
Clarence has not demonstrated anything; so far claims, nonsensical schematics and vague statements.
There is a chance that he (or others) will hurt themselves by poor practices.
To me it is amazing how easily and quickly people will believe claims and videos. Are they that desperate? Is their inner insecurity that bad? To me the energy companies are no different than any other business: selling a product or service while making a profit. If they commit illegal acts while doing so, they should be held accountable.
Lighten up, this site is entertainment, nothing less, nothing more.
Entertainment ???
glad you think so, I find this entertaining
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D39u9eeGG4c
every time I watch it I feel entertained... Makes me laugh to think that we have to play with LFTR
on a planet that would kill us with its excess energy if we weren't careful.
YEAH VERY ENTERTAINING ....
where standing in a Sea of gasoline looking for a source of energy...
Would make a great startrek episode MH ,...... they would laugh themselves silly
and wonder "HOW THE HECK these guys never figured This out??
sorta like the Native Australians went 50000 years and never invented the wheel.
and here is another one I find ENTERTAINIG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc
A BUG KNOCKING PHOTONS OUTTA ORBIT....
causing a 9000 C biological sonoluminescent event...
you keep working on the easy stuff [LFTR] memoryman
my nose tells me to follow the OZONE and the Photon Bug
Quote from: ramset on April 08, 2015, 09:58:39 AM
Tinsel also said that Arivaldo's unit did not work..I was told he purchased it knowing it was "broken"
and chose to disassemble it for investigation.
Hi ramset. No, I have already posted a summary about this very recently, but, anyway,
I read through all of Ariovaldo's comments here about the device he obtained, and he didn't say
it was broken. He said the previous owner couldn't get it to work even though according to Ariovaldo
the previous owner had a really good ground system in place. Ariovaldo said the original owner contacted
Barbosa and Barbosa made the excuse that the primary winding on the toroid in the device had the
wrong number of turns. Not sure why the original owner didn't arrange to return the device and get
his money back, if he had originally bought it from B&L, but anyway Ariovaldo ended up with the device.
Ariovaldo apparently ran his own tests and couldn't get it to work either, and then diassembled the device.
The transformer assembly in the control box was filled with epoxy and gravel to make disassembly difficult.
Ariovaldo then created the schematic (that was posted again recently), which he based on the actual B&L
device he had possession of. That schematic should therefore be a pretty accurate representation of
an actual B&L built single toroid transformer type device.
All the best...
Well, I looked through all of Clarence's postings. Does anybody remember IST? This guy has some shades of IST in his presentation. On this thread, he is like Tiny Tim tip-toeing through the tulips, playing his ukulele and teasing you all with impish delight and a twinkle in his eye. Technically, he is not credible, period. You are supposed to sink something between 40 and 60 ground rods over a large area of your back yard, bury the return wires, and throw in some batteries and inverters and toroidal transformers and get free energy power like that? Give yourselves a break.
Is he hiding? Here is one possible explanation: He posts his follow-up post as promised, and he gets some questions from myself and others that he simply can't answer properly. He knows that he won't get away with playing any more Tiny Tim games. The illusion is broken and he doesn't get his kicks anymore doing this. Does he even have a scope?
Or, if he has been posting for four months, talking all about his system and making promises of really delivering the results and data this week, what is stopping him from going forward? If he really believes in his results and data, why should anybody stop him? Why should text on a screen from another person stop him? Really, if you claim that you have what you say you have, why should anybody's comments stop you? You should be able to respond to all questions about your alleged system with confidence and also have the data to back up your confidence. There is no valid reason for you to not continue with your claims if you are real.
ramset, I suggest that you acquint yourself with LFTR technology before you worry about 'killing ourselves' using Thorium. An excellent primer is "super fuel" by Richard Martin.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 08, 2015, 07:32:26 AM
QuoteThere are two types of people: Those who encourage and those who discourage.
No-there is not,not here on OU.com.
Here there are those that believe blindly,and those that seek truth through carfull measurements-->which must be supplied by the claiment.
QuoteThe title of this site is overunity.
Indeed it is. Do you have proof of an OU device?.
QuoteThose who do not like it should find another site, instead of annoying people here.
What you mean to say is-if you dont go along with what we say,and believe blindly like we do,then p*ss off.
QuoteWe are all big boys on this site and know that we do things at our own risk -
and we do not need baby sitters.
So you would buy a car without taking it for a test drive?.
QuoteCertain members have come on to this site dismissing it without even bothering to find
what is going on. That is just disrespectful.
Certain members can look at a schematic and know that it just wont work. I went to the trouble off sepperating the captor loop transformer from the rest of the circuit,and explained what 2 things could happen
1-if wound in phase,you would have a big nothing transformer.
2-if one coil is wound out of phase,you have a big heater
-->and guess what,the first person who built the captor loop transformer is now here asking why everything is getting hot and melting-->aint that a hoot.
QuoteClarence: Why don't you just pm the good guys with your results. It's easy enough.
That way we get away from the garbage on this thread.
The good guys are actually the ones trying to tell you that the device wont work as per the schematic. You dont only learn from your mistakes a.king21,you also learn from those that know,so as you can limit mistakes. This is why you go to school-is it not?
You(and others-including myself) need to see this forum as a school as well as a place to come see and try some interesting things. I was once the same,but in time you can actually start to see the forest through the trees.
Here is a little something for you. Tonight-not 3 hours ago,i finished my new magnetic asisted coil. So i set it up in an inductive kickback circuit to see how well it would charge batteries,and when i disconected the battery that runs the device so as i could try looping it back to the run battery,the bloody thing kept on running-->without the battery hooked up. So what do you think the first thing i done was?-->thats right,i grabed the video camera and filmed it running with no battery conected. That video is uploading now,and i will post it here as soon as it's done. BUT-do you see me making a thread telling everyone to start building this (what appears to be)self running device?-->no,and until i know where or what the power source is that is feeding it,i will make no OU claim of any type,even though it appears to be running it self. The energy has to be coming from some where,and until i find out where,then no one should rush off to build this device.
@tinman:
Looking forward to seeing you project :)
truesearch
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 08, 2015, 03:18:18 AM
MH, This is the Clarence circuit you were looking for?
I cannot understand your frustration on serious testing. There is no better test than having it running for days and collecting data like Clarence has.
He has been providing clear data on this device like measurements on the input. What exactly is your claim ? That passive circuits cannot make overunity? That's just absurd.
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg442810/#msg442810 (http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg442810/#msg442810)
Okay so I looked at the simplified schematic. I marked it up and attached it.
Look, I see this:
Battery -> Inverter -> (load and smart charger) -> back to the battery.
The conductivity between the "Ground Grid Input" and the "Ground Grid Return" is going to be very high and you can treat it as a short circuit.
I have no clue what the pair of toroids is supposed to do and the connections are "strange" but it doesn't really matter. The output of the sine wave inverter is directly connected to the input of the smart charger. The funky toroids may as well not even be there. Anybody that truly understands electronics would see this right away. This is the old tired, "battery connected to the charger connected to he battery" nonsense.
QuoteWhat exactly is your claim ? That passive circuits cannot make overunity? That's just absurd.
It's only absurd if your preconceived notions have blinded you. That sounds like something you would say to me, no?
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 11:30:00 AM
Well, I looked through all of Clarence's postings. Does anybody remember IST? This guy has some shades of IST in his presentation. On this thread, he is like Tiny Tim tip-toeing through the tulips, playing his ukulele and teasing you all with impish delight and a twinkle in his eye. Technically, he is not credible, period. You are supposed to sink something between 40 and 60 ground rods over a large area of your back yard, bury the return wires, and throw in some batteries and inverters and toroidal transformers and get free energy power like that? Give yourselves a break.
Is he hiding? Here is one possible explanation: He posts his follow-up post as promised, and he gets some questions from myself and others that he simply can't answer properly. He knows that he won't get away with playing any more Tiny Tim games. The illusion is broken and he doesn't get his kicks anymore doing this. Does he even have a scope?
Or, if he has been posting for four months, talking all about his system and making promises of really delivering the results and data this week, what is stopping him from going forward? If he really believes in his results and data, why should anybody stop him? Why should text on a screen from another person stop him? Really, if you claim that you have what you say you have, why should anybody's comments stop you? You should be able to respond to all questions about your alleged system with confidence and also have the data to back up your confidence. There is no valid reason for you to not continue with your claims if you are real.
MileHigh, there are people who have been participating in or following this thread who
are fully capable of determining what are sound results and what are not. ;) All of a sudden
recently several people jumped into this thread without really having any idea what was
being discussed here recently, and after one started going on about 'lack of evidence'
and people 'blindly believing' and 'people throwing away their money on nonsense', this then of
course got other people going on about the same sort of stuff, without any of them really having
any idea what was actually going on here in the last while. :)
In actuality, Clarence has been doing some testing and posting a bit of info about his setup and tests. The few of us
that were following along were for the most part just waiting to see if Clarence got any notable results using a battery
and inverter. We left off with Clarence saying he was going to install more ground rods and try some more tests
once he got the ground rods all installed. Clarence can sometimes not post for several days or even much more because he
is busy, or has nothing new to report.
I have followed all of Clarence's posts here, and he has not posted any info
so far that I personally
would consider to be indicative that the device can self run for any considerable length of time from the battery, without the
battery starting to discharge. However, Clarence has not really posted much details about any such tests he has done so far,
so there really is not much to go on yet in that regard. As I mentioned however, we were waiting for Clarence to get around to doing
more tests along this line. There was no conclusions having been drawn about the device either way, although Clarence
was enthusiastic that it would be able to self run on a 12V battery with his setup and the extra ground rods.
Clarence also did kind of go off the deep end a bit in the last couple of days however. I posted a comment on a very basic test I did
with a single transformer B&L arrangement, as shown in their patents, and Clarence started going on about how he was going to stop
posting here if people didn't follow exactly what he was doing and saying and that sort of thing, and that people were just not getting what
he was doing at all, etc. ;) The test I did however had nothing to do with what Clarence has been testing with. I just did a basic test to see what
kind of power consumption was involved, and how much current would flow in a shorted 3 turn and 1 turn secondary on a toroidal power transformer I have,
as I was curious about what the current levels would be, etc. :) Clarence's comments didn't really make any sense. There does appear
to be some issues there, there is no denying that. I personally think it is reasonable that people who are thinking about shelling out
a bunch of money for the device should at least wait to see if Clarence posts some specific info on actual run times with his new ground rods
installed, using the battery and inverter with no mains connection. It is quite an expensive setup that Clarence has been experimenting with.
All the best...
Void:
Thank you for the summation. That's pretty much what I picked up by skimming through Clarence's postings. However, he does make occasional claims that his system is generating free energy.
This is a quote from Clarence:
Quotemy supplier refers to it as a 300 toroid whatever that could mean.
the primary is wound to specs for 120 volts at 2.5 amps.
120 volts x 2.5 amps is 300 watts. Whatever could it mean for the supplier to call it a "300 toroid?" My conclusion is that that is their standard toroid size for making your own 300 VA toroidal transformer.
MileHigh
MH
I have a question ,I went back to read a link you posted above and this post was underneath it
you know anything about that??
aside from being funny its obvious he's talking about Prof Savic which I replicated and suspected a groundloop was responsible,[Now I'm not so sure]
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Haugh Big White Iowa Man !!
Tell us, did you achieved SELF POWERING in your schematic ?
I have watched tube video, replication BARBOSA-LEAL machine, from some Whie Man Savic where he shown 2.3 kWatts ouput at Water Heater with only one Torus Power Transformer. Why do you need two ?? Where is interrupter in your schematic ??? Why don't use Counter Face windings on one big Torus Power Transformer ????. He said BARBOSA-LEAL machine is the scalar reverse Tesla coil that draws free electrons from the soil and using Tesla resonance multiply their number and regulate output power. Make scalar reverse Tesla coil on big Torus Power Transformer. Windings should be Counter Face. But first put both of your transformers in Laundry Stack Antenna manner with Counter Face Windings.
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Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 12:06:07 PM
The funky toroids may as well not even be there. Anybody that truly understands electronics would see this right away.
This is the old tired, "battery connected to the charger connected to he battery" nonsense.
MileHigh, it is actually you who keeps making the same argument over and over, from what I have seen.
If we analyze a circuit/device making the starting assumption that it is impossible for a given device to pull
in extra energy beyond what the power source is supplying then, yes, over unity is impossible. That goes
without saying if a person is going to hold to such an assumption. However some people here allow for the
possibility that some of these devices may be able to pull in energy from an outside source somehow, which
of course throws the standard circuit analysis off, as there is then the possibility of energy entering into
the circuit through some unknown means. Sure, most over unity devices turn out to not work as claimed,
but that doesn't mean they all necessarily don't work. Those who are here out of interest in the possibility of
over unity look for actual evidence before deciding that some device is definitely a hoax or can't work. ;)
The B&L device is claimed to be able to draw excess energy through the ground through its 'electron captor'
arrangement, so that is where the excess energy is supposed to come from in this device. It is not looking so good
that the device really does work, but until proven a scam or hoax, there is nothing wrong with people wanting
to do their own experiments to see if any given device arrangement might actually work as claimed or not. ;) Yes, the odds
are high against coming up with a working device, but if people want to spend their free time experimenting with
such things that is their business. We really don't need reality police launching a full out assault every time
someone starts doing some experimenting and starts posting here about it. :) Many of us here really are capable of
evaluating results for our self. ;)
All the best...
Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 12:25:45 PM
Void:
Thank you for the summation. That's pretty much what I picked up by skimming through Clarence's postings. However, he does make occasional claims that his system is generating free energy.
This is a quote from Clarence:
120 volts x 2.5 amps is 300 watts. Whatever could it mean for the supplier to call it a "300 toroid?" My conclusion is that that is their standard toroid size for making your own 300 VA toroidal transformer.
MileHigh
Yes, Clarence is using 300VA power toroids, so that is what the 300 stands for in the product code for his toroids.
All the best...
Chet:
Sorry don't know anything about that.
The problem with "power from the ground" is that electrons are nothing without voltage. The ground is not at any kind of voltage, it's at.... ground potential. So where do you get the much-needed voltage? You get it from some kind of device, that is sitting above the (physical) ground - a black box. The entire premise for getting "power from the ground" is false because you need a potential difference between two points, and you need a current loop that goes through those two points. No (potential + loop) and you have got squat. The "ground" in the physical ground is just a lost sea of electrons with no useful potential between their current position in the physical ground and somewhere else. That somewhere else also has to have a ground return. That is the reality that you have to work with.
MileHigh
Quote from: Void on April 08, 2015, 12:34:11 PM
Yes, Clarence is using 300VA power toroids, so that is what the 300 stands for in the product code for his toroids.
All the best...
And for you out there thinking about this concept, you have to wonder why Clarence did not already know this or could not simply connect the dots and figure out what it meant himself. Alternatively, since he has been singing about this stuff for four months, you would think that he would want to find out.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 12:38:45 PM
The problem with "power from the ground" is that electrons are nothing without voltage. The ground is not at any kind of voltage, it's at.... ground potential. So where do you get the much-needed voltage? You get it from some kind of device, that is sitting above the (physical) ground - a black box. The entire premise for getting "power from the ground" is false because you need a potential difference between two points, and you need a current loop that goes through those two points. No (potential + loop) and you have got squat. The "ground" in the physical ground is just a lost sea of electrons with no useful potential between their current position in the physical ground and somewhere else. That somewhere else also has to have a ground return. That is the reality that you have o work with.
Sure, but then again until a given device is fully understood we can't really say what all could be making it
work, assuming we actually were able to come up with a working over unity device. Certainly if the device
is really over unity, then it is pulling in extra energy from somewhere. Regarding energy from the ground,
from what I understand a heat pump pulls in energy from the ground beyond what is being supplied from
the power source powering the heat pump. If it can be done in that way, energy may also be able to
be extracted in other ways as well that we as yet haven't discovered yet. Not everything has been invented
or discovered yet in this world. Not by a long shot... There are certainly new and amazing discoveries coming
in the future.
All the best...
Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 12:42:45 PM
And for you out there thinking about this concept, you have to wonder why Clarence did not already know this or could not simply connect the dots and figure out what it meant himself. Alternatively, since he has been singing about this stuff for four months, you would think that he would want to find out.
That doesn't seem that important to me. I think Clarence must have understood the capacity of the
toroids he was ordering based on the voltage and current rating of the primary winding, even if he maybe
didn't fully grasp the significance of the VA rating.
All the best...
HMM
the plot thickens
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Ok guys, as you know I have a video in YouTube showing my finds in the Barbosa device. Its a very simple video and even getting some "different" results, I stopped my tests to work in others projects..
Check my video....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5qw76Ay7kg
Yesterday, Carlos my friend from Brazil, send me the link about one replication made by Nenad Savic using what my schematics and looks like that he got a "good results"
Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I5o4FUAfmg\
Today, he put another video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8
Cheers
Ariovaldo
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OK I see the vids are gone ,maybe somebody saved them??
Now when things warm up [frozen ground]I will be pulling the Savic heater back out and hooking it to ground rods.
I will also be reaching out for Ariovaldo thru some contacts.
respectfully
Chet
A heat pump simply displaces heat energy from point A to point B, it's doesn't "pull in" energy or create energy in any way.
Here is a different kind of heat pump: You have a big container of burning hot coal on a motorized buggy. You switch the power on for the electric motor. The buggy moves over 12 feet and then you switch the motor off. You measure how much electrical energy the motor consumed and compare it to how much the heat energy increased at the spot where the buggy stopped.
Do you see anything special or something suggesting "harvesting energy from some unknown source" or some kind of over unity process going on there?
QuoteSure, but then again until a given device is fully understood we can't really say what all could be making it
work, assuming we actually were able to come up with a working over unity device.
This is (always) putting the cart before the horse. There is no evidence that it works so there is no point in trying to figure out what could make it work. Real life doesn't work like that. You need proof that it works, and only then try to figure out what could make it work.
In this case, this guy wants you to spend a thousand or more dollars and dig around your back yard inserting ground rods like some kind of dancing chicken for his amusement. Let the dude prove that he is real first, but like you said, it's not looking good.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
A heat pump simply displaces heat energy from point A to point B, it's doesn't "pull in" energy or create energy in any way.
Here is a different kind of heat pump: You have a big container of burning hot coal on a motorized buggy. You switch the power on for the electric motor. The buggy moves over 12 feet and then you switch the motor off. You measure how much electrical energy the motor consumed and compare it to how much the heat energy increased at the spot where the buggy stopped.
Do you see anything special or something suggesting "harvesting energy from some unknown source" or some kind of over unity process going on there?
This is (always) putting the cart before the horse. There is no evidence that it works so there is no point in trying to figure out what could make it work. Real life doesn't work like that. You need proof that it works, and only then try to figure out what could make it work.
In this case, this guy wants you to spend a thousand or more dollars and dig around your back yard inserting ground rods like some kind of dancing chicken for his amusement. Let the dude prove that he is real first, but like you said, it's not looking good.
Sorry MileHigh, now you are just talking in circles, going back to your basic assumption
that energy can not be drawn into a system beyond what the power source is supplying.
Whether the term of 'pulling in' or 'drawing in' or 'displacing' is used, is neither here nor there. :)
In all cases it is clear what is meant. I won't be drawn into any such circular argument approaches.
We get there are various members here who believe strongly that over unity is impossible,
but not everyone here takes that for granted. The possibility of over unity remains a possibility
regardless of what some people believe and say to the contrary. ;)
All the best...
Quote from: ramset on April 08, 2015, 12:56:43 PM
the plot thickens
Hi ramset. Ariovaldo did say that about his tests, but in other comments he also said he did more testing
and said he wasn't seeing anything unusual. I think at first he maybe didn't fully grasp
the significance of ground loops when powering from the mains, and later he realized this
when some people pointed it out.
All the best...
Viod
yes I understand ,I will be reaching out for Prof Savic too, been awhile
since we last corresponded,it is the Savic replication which I am most curious about
since I did spend MUCH time experimenting there.
although to be clear ..I suspected a ground loop .
Chet K
There are a lot of flakes on this forum. I know for a fact some of these are paid agents for globalist zionist cartels. One of the earliest paid agents was the flake called Einstein.
OK,so some of you think im all against what is being presented here by Clarence. Well the fact is,i am not against the idea,im against there being claims made without proof to back it up.
Anyway (MH lol)-seems that this device needs only a ground wire(thats ground,not neutral from home grid)to work. How ? i dont know yet,but i will work it out soon.
Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vHhgYW3GDI
Quote from: MileHigh on April 06, 2015, 07:03:55 PM
In reading the last few pages of this thread (I don't really follow this thread) I can see that Clarence and Enjoykin are engaging in fantasy talk. Very similar to Tito. It's just silly and assuming that they are both grown men, you wonder why they do it.
I have found over the years there are some common traits that you see when this happens. The fantasy talkers usually are not able to describe circuits with proper commonly known and understood technical concepts. I realize that for one at least English is not his first language. Even with that factored in, you can still see the "baby talk" when they talk about electronics. Hence, my assumption is that both of them are just bluffing with respect to their alleged electronics knowledge and the claims that this thing allegedly works. The other trait is the silly game of hints and teases and excuses for not showing any real data and the idea that you have to build it yourself to "prove it for yourself." It's the usual nonsense talk that we have all seen hundreds of times before.
So, don't hold your breath expecting someone to show anything special with Clarence's box, no matter how many earth grounds he drills. It's all some kind of strange theater of the absurd. If you want to be a bit tougher you can argue that both of them are getting some kind of mental masturbation with this. How they get satisfaction from doing a charade like this is beyond me.
I had been in private communication with Clarence for a while. As I shared with Chet ( ramset ) recently by PM Clarence has left the forum. Not only garbage like the above post but some others who just came in a couple days ago is what drove him off. In his words he didn't want to deal with the 'Knuckleheads' anymore. Before telling me he was leaving he had said in a previous PM he was going to do a week long test. I know that would have left any reasonable person with little doubt this works but as I've said in the past the disbelievers will always find a reason to disbelieve no matter how much proof you show ( oh that video must have been faked - oh he is just lying and on and on). Think about it - Clarence is 77 years old. He doesn't want to waste his time he has left dealing with all this garbage. This nonsense is infuriating and one of the reasons I have largely quit posting here.
I really don't know is some of the people here are intentionally disrupting threads like this or if they can't understand that by the nature of their posts they chase people off and thus their posts become self fulfilling prophecies. Then they say 'See he must have been full of BS' or couldn't provide proof so they disappeared. Some of you remind me of some of the worst little kids I knew in grade school so long ago who would fabricate total lies to manipulate people with absolutely no conscience or regard for others and the consequences of their actions. Like Clarence I won't be back either - at least not anytime soon. Done with this nonsense.
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 08, 2015, 01:16:27 PM
There are a lot of flakes on this forum. I know for a fact some of these are paid agents for globalist zionist cartels. One of the earliest paid agents was the flake called Einstein.
Oh here we go.
Are you brave enough to name those who you believe-sorry,know for fact are paid agent's for the global zoinist cartels lol-or are you just all talk?.
Quote from: e2matrix on April 08, 2015, 01:31:56 PM
I had been in private communication with Clarence for a while. As I shared with Chet ( ramset ) recently by PM Clarence has left the forum. Not only garbage like the above post but some others who just came in a couple days ago is what drove him off. In his words he didn't want to deal with the 'Knuckleheads' anymore. Before telling me he was leaving he had said in a previous PM he was going to do a week long test. I know that would have left any reasonable person with little doubt this works but as I've said in the past the disbelievers will always find a reason to disbelieve no matter how much proof you show ( oh that video must have been faked - oh he is just lying and on and on). Think about it - Clarence is 77 years old. He doesn't want to waste his time he has left dealing with all this garbage. This nonsense is infuriating and one of the reasons I have largely quit posting here.
I really don't know is some of the people here are intentionally disrupting threads like this or if they can't understand that by the nature of their posts they chase people off and thus their posts become self fulfilling prophecies. Then they say 'See he must have been full of BS' or couldn't provide proof so they disappeared. Some of you remind me of some of the worst little kids I knew in grade school so long ago who would fabricate total lies to manipulate people with absolutely no conscience or regard for others and the consequences of their actions. Like Clarence I won't be back either - at least not anytime soon. Done with this nonsense.
:( sad news...
So again the same little bunch of member came to a tread with thier destructive attitude and suceffuly put it down... It is a bad thing for the much larger bunch of member how follow and try to learn...
:(
Quote from: e2matrix on April 08, 2015, 01:31:56 PM
I had been in private communication with Clarence for a while. As I shared with Chet ( ramset ) recently by PM Clarence has left the forum. Not only garbage like the above post but some others who just came in a couple days ago is what drove him off. In his words he didn't want to deal with the 'Knuckleheads' anymore. Before telling me he was leaving he had said in a previous PM he was going to do a week long test. I know that would have left any reasonable person with little doubt this works but as I've said in the past the disbelievers will always find a reason to disbelieve no matter how much proof you show ( oh that video must have been faked - oh he is just lying and on and on). Think about it - Clarence is 77 years old. He doesn't want to waste his time he has left dealing with all this garbage. This nonsense is infuriating and one of the reasons I have largely quit posting here.
I really don't know is some of the people here are intentionally disrupting threads like this or if they can't understand that by the nature of their posts they chase people off and thus their posts become self fulfilling prophecies. Then they say 'See he must have been full of BS' or couldn't provide proof so they disappeared. Some of you remind me of some of the worst little kids I knew in grade school so long ago who would fabricate total lies to manipulate people with absolutely no conscience or regard for others and the consequences of their actions. Like Clarence I won't be back either - at least not anytime soon. Done with this nonsense.
Thats just MH,and i to have been quite demanding on measurements from Clarence. But when some one makes claim to a self runner,then before others go spending any money or time on this device,isnt it right to ask for some sort of evidence that the device dose as claimed?. You are dealing with leathal voltages and power here,and we have a forum full of novilist here. One wrong move,and your days are done. Was it a 600 watt inverter he was using and recomended?-the human body wont handle 600 watts for to long. I really dont think some of you realise just how dangerous some of these devices can be.
wistiti, I posted this earlier, but in case you missed it, regarding your problem of having too much current on
your secondaries, you can try swapping the wire connections around between the secondaries, to see if that reduces the current.
Clarence said he was measuring around 1.3 Amps or a bit higher on his secondaries with no load connected, so
the current should not be very high when the secondaries are connected correctly, with no load.
All the best...
Tinman I've seen a similar thing from a transformer with only the negative of the battery connected to the circuit but in my case
I had another battery next to that battery that was powering an inverter.
So I would say maybe your picking up a signal from the ground caused by a local switch mode power supply or something, the new
power meters have a switch mode power supply which some say makes the supply noisy, but I would say it is something else.
Some people can light a neon by holding one leg and touching the other leg to the ground line.
Most equipment has filters on the inputs nowadays I think, scope power supply ect. But some things might make the ground line
noisy. All I can think of at the moment. Maybe a transfer from a wire laying on a wire ?
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Quote from: tinman on April 08, 2015, 02:03:25 PM
Thats just MH,and i to have been quite demanding on measurements from Clarence. But when some one makes claim to a self runner,then before others go spending any money or time on this device,isnt it right to ask for some sort of evidence that the device dose as claimed?. You are dealing with leathal voltages and power here,and we have a forum full of novilist here. One wrong move,and your days are done. Was it a 600 watt inverter he was using and recomended?-the human body wont handle 600 watts for to long. I really dont think some of you realise just how dangerous some of these devices can be.
Especially when people bypass RCD's and stuff. I use inline RCD's where possible, and it tripped every time I tried the ground loop.
One guy I seen squatting over a grid connected transformer with a water heater and stuff going and exposed wires while bypassing the RCD and he was claiming it was a working Barbosa and Leal replication. It is possible he is dead now, it would
not surprise if he was. He could easily have overbalanced and fell on the setup spilling the hot water and electrocuted himself.
I almost couldn't watch it. And an inverter is probably more dangerous than the grid if the grid has a working RCD fitted.
Some people get lucky and take hits from the grid without an RCD and live, rarely without damage though.
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Quote from: Void on April 08, 2015, 02:10:57 PM
wistiti, I posted this earlier, but in case you missed it, regarding your problem of having too much current on
your secondaries, you can try swapping the wire connections around between the secondaries, to see if that reduces the current.
Clarence said he was measuring around 1.3 Amps or a bit higher on his secondaries with no load connected, so
the current should not be very high when the secondaries are connected correctly, with no load.
All the best...
Thank you void yes i see it but now Clarence is gone im neither interested to post here... My desire is to share with other builder not to argue with destructive people...
Ok wistiti. Good luck with your experimenting!
All the best...
Quote from: Void on April 08, 2015, 02:10:57 PM
wistiti, I posted this earlier, but in case you missed it, regarding your problem of having too much current on
your secondaries, you can try swapping the wire connections around between the secondaries, to see if that reduces the current.
Clarence said he was measuring around 1.3 Amps or a bit higher on his secondaries with no load connected, so
the current should not be very high when the secondaries are connected correctly, with no load.
All the best...
My question is still valid: secondaries are in phase but primaries are or are not ?
-First case: no secondary current
- second case : infinite current (theory)
Clarence is welcome to come here and present his data and make his case. As a grown 77-year-old man he shouldn't be playing the wounded dove.
If you assume that he has nothing and it has all been bluff, then he is clearly the bad guy.
I have said it before and I will say it again: You can't bluff your way through pretending that you know all about electronics. It's simply impossible. I think a lot of you want to suspend your disbelief when yet another person comes along, and yet you can feel there is something that is not right. You won't ask questions and just gobble everything up that you are told. You don't have to be an electronics expert to get the feeling that what you are reading is "play electronics talk" being used as a camouflage trying to hide the person's true knowledge level. EMJunkie takes the cake on that one. If you feel that is happening, then what possible conclusions can you arrive at about the intent of the person you suspect?
Free energy is here, Clarence allegedly has it, but now he is too upset to reveal it. Therefore in 18 months there will not be portable free energy generators shipped out to the poorest billions of people in the world that are desperately in need of it for their food, sanitation, access to potable water, and warm shelter.
Allegedly improving the lot of literally billions of people in the world vs. poor Clarence's ego. I am sure that Richard Branson, Warren Buffet, and Bill Gates would be willing to donate billions to help the billions - if it was real. I am not impressed.
I surely hope everybody stops falling on their swords...
here we need to Pay attention and hope for the return Of "Clarence the great"
We will carry him thru the forum lest his feet touch the ground [its dangerous with all those rods :o] and have the girls fan him and whisper sing sweet nothings in his ear...
Clarence please reconsider your position ,there is much devastation at your departure.
I already miss you tremendously, and The tears of Enjoykin are causing floods in his homeland.
Please reconsider we need to stand strong [firmly on the ground] {except you we will carry you when the girls are done whispering]
Hmmm
having a hard time finding the girls around here, {Stefan and his rules :P]
well, none the less we need you to come back when your done with your chores [honey do list]
before we lose another good man...
Chetkremens@gmail.com
On the technical level, anybody have any comments about my comments on the simplified schematic from Clarence? Have you been looking at that diagram for weeks or perhaps even months and nobody commented that the sine wave inverter is connected directly to the smart battery charger? If nobody mentioned this then what does that say?
You guys have been "talking tech" about this for months, anybody have anything to say?
Yes
that circuit you have there was shared by a fellow named Clarence, he says this dead short condition through those two torrid transformers causes an effect when run with his ground array which brings in extra energy ,
of course it makes no sense to the trained eye ,however I recently read a retort from another very smart man who was addressing Dave at EEV Blog[free energy B#ll S*#t claim] ,That very smart man said that
we would most likely scoff at unconventional methods for harvesting excess energy
and would most likely be very surprised at something that actually did work.
I consider your analysis Moot in this case and am ten fold more interested in Clarence's
test results for this circuit.
One addendum to Memoryman
I love Thorium ,Please don't get the wrong idea.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 02:55:05 PM
On the technical level, anybody have any comments about my comments on the simplified schematic from Clarence? Have you been looking at that diagram for weeks or perhaps even months and nobody commented that the sine wave inverter is connected directly to the smart battery charger? If nobody mentioned this then what does that say?
You guys have been "talking tech" about this for months, anybody have anything to say?
Milehigh, what you are pointing out is obvious. As long as we make the starting assumption that there can
be no energy brought into the system beyond what is being supplied by the battery, then the circuit
would be a less than unity system. You are making the exact same argument again and again, but it is based
on an assumption. If however the device can pull in energy from outside the closed system you have
drawn, through its so called 'electron captor' circuit, then the device could at least possibly be over unity. That is the whole
point of B&L's patent applications afterall... This is the possibility that some people are interested in putting to the test.
Everything I have said above should be obvious however, so I can only assume that you continue to intentionally troll this
thread to try to promote your personal beliefs, just as any zealot would do. I don't really believe that you are so dense that
you do not understand such an obvious flaw in your reasoning, but perhaps I am wrong. Please stop trolling mate. Your 'insights'
are stuff any child could easily see through. ;)
All the best...
Quote from: memoryman on April 08, 2015, 10:42:58 AM
"The only thing preventing anyone from achieving free energy is not looking." no, the only thing preventing anyone from achieving free energy is because it does not exist in the sense of 'multiplication, amplification or creation of energy'.
Not that we need it in the first place: look up Thorium and liquid fuel reactors, a.k.a. LFTR.
There is no shortage of energy as such; only specific forms in specific places.
Clarence has not demonstrated anything; so far claims, nonsensical schematics and vague statements.
There is a chance that he (or others) will hurt themselves by poor practices.
To me it is amazing how easily and quickly people will believe claims and videos. Are they that desperate? Is their inner insecurity that bad? To me the energy companies are no different than any other business: selling a product or service while making a profit. If they commit illegal acts while doing so, they should be held accountable.
Lighten up, this site is entertainment, nothing less, nothing more.
And EVERYONE knows iron boats will never float.....
ramset, Thorium can provide ALL our energy needs for thousands of years in a (almost) perfectly safe manner, with costs that in line with most other sources. What is not to like? They had operating Thorium reactors in the '50s.
I stopped posting in this thread for a while because I saw Clarence's reaction; I am not here to upset people.
Anyway, I'll follow this thread out of curiosity; most posts on this site and PESN provide comic relief from days that have a lot of stress.
BTW, I am going to be 71 this month; so much for being 'an old man'.
Quote from: cheors on April 08, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
My question is still valid: secondaries are in phase but primaries are or are not ?
-First case: no secondary current
- second case : infinite current (theory)
Hi cheors. If wistiti swaps the connections around the other way on the secondaries and the current
on the secondaries goes way down to around 1.3 Amps or so with no load, then that should be right according
to Clarence's comments. Clarence has described the way he set up the transformer connections
in the following post if you want more details. You can also look at the pictures that Clarence posted
previously of his device to help sort out the windings, if you are still not sure.
Clarence's description of his transformer wiring connections:
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg445001/#msg445001
All the best..
Memoryman
I always respect my elders [or they beat me :o]
Mile High: No one denies your right to an opinion.
However, there is also something called common courtesy.
If someone is having a good attempt at a replication then they should be encouraged,
even if they fail. After all no-one has made a serious attempt at replicating Barbosa and Leal before.
Free speech does not include the right to insult someone.
If someone insulted your family you would not like it.
This is a forum for adults, not people behaving like immature children.
Quote from: Void on April 08, 2015, 03:51:28 PM
Hi cheors. If wistiti swaps the connections around the other way on the secondaries and the current
on the secondaries goes way down to around 1.3 Amps or so with no load, then that should be right according
to Clarence's comments. Clarence has described the way he set up the transformer connections
in the following post if you want more details. You can also look at the pictures that Clarence posted
previously of his device to help sort out the windings, if you are still not sure.
Clarence's description of his transformer wiring connections:
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg445001/#msg445001
All the best..
Of course, he says neutral together and phase together but it is not so clear with the drawing and photos
This one is very hot !!! (200 A)
Quote from: a.king21 on April 08, 2015, 03:58:51 PM
Mile High: No one denies your right to an opinion.
However, there is also something called common courtesy.
If someone is having a good attempt at a replication then they should be encouraged,
even if they fail. After all no-one has made a serious attempt at replicating Barbosa and Leal before.
Free speech does not include the right to insult someone.
If someone insulted your family you would not like it.
This is a forum for adults, not people behaving like immature children.
Are you saying that I am insulting Clarence because I gave my frank and honest opinion after four months of this discussion? Look, I admit that my comments were blunt, but that is not necessarily an insult. We can also argue that Clarence is insulting you and others like you on this forum. If he is not being truthful when he speaks to you he is implicitly insulting you, for months on end.
Okay, so you have the "secret sauce" dreams. That's how you explain away the rather strange simplified schematic that is just a glorified battery to inverter back to battery system. I think we would all agree that a "vanilla" battery powering an inverter powering a battery charger looping back to the same battery is a non-starter, correct? So does that mean that most of you are hoping for a "faint hope" clause to work some unexplainable magic and Clarence's system might really work?
If that's the case, what is the point of even having a technical discussion since many of you want to believe in magic?
I am not the bad guy here. I am just telling you what I see. You guys want to respect Clarence for his project, but seemingly you have no respect for basic physics and science and technology. You should try and combine the two things together, "Yes I want to believe you but show me the data." And just some unknown guy making a posting that makes claims within his typed in text is not "showing you the data." If you just believe that some unknown guy can make text postings making free energy claims is "data" then you need to start thinking more clearly and sensibly.
If most of you are hanging on Clarence, and then Clarence bows out, chickens out, whatever you want to call it, then Clarence killed the thread.
MH
so you pee'd in Clarence's Punch bowl and feel he should just "man Up"??
whats the big deal?
Why'd he leave his own party like that???
If he does decide to come back ,can you just refrain from commenting until such time as there is something which is not self evident ??
almost every one I speak with has measured different power levels at ground points
even a few inches a part, some have found tree's and lit LEd's between them [Tinman's friend]
others have told me about there experiences spreading grounds around over areas and finding very odd things.
I truly wish to understand How Clarence has measured this claim,as do many others.
Chet:
I will speak when I want. Nor did I "pee in his punch bowl" which is just more straw man stuff from you. I suppose the "big insult" is that I stated that Clarence doesn't understand electronics. That is what I see, it's a fact based on evidence. Do you get that? It's true. I am just doing a service for those that may not realize this. If people agree that it's true then what the heck has been taking place for four months? Nor am I stating the obvious that you already know. If it was so obvious then some of you would be making some obvious points yourselves, because they are critical for the discussion about how this thing allegedly works. Instead, you are sidetracked in asking about wire gages and how many turns.
I marked up the schematic one more time. You want to get a sense for how this thing allegedly works? There are five points I identified where you can measure the average power flow in this circuit. That would be extremely useful information to understand how this thing is supposed to work. Has anyone ever discussed these measurements? After four months, have these measurements ever been made? Does Clarence have a scope and the skills for measuring the average power flow at each one of the five points? If you haven't discussed this stuff, and you are just beginners to electronics that is fine. Alternatively, if you think you understand electronics, then how come (I assume) this has never been discussed? This is 100 times more important than knowing the size of the two toroidal cores, the gage of the wire, or the bloody number of turns.
MileHigh
MH
the big insult was intimating that he is some kind of nut that gets his jollies posting
make believe circuits for attention.. mental massogenist or whatever you felt you could call him.
read your post again.
your querries have no value at this point. the cow has left the Barn[sorry Clarence]
Yes, that's true. You haven't noticed a certain extra flair to his postings? Unfortunately that phenomenon I mentioned does exist, so I was making a speculation. He is welcome to come back and present his stuff.
Notwithstanding what you state, a querie about the power flows in the setup has lots of value.
<<<
MPORTANT UPDATE: aaron5120 no one to date has grasped the fact that this unit with just the toroids in looped secondary coil format and the full SIXTY ground rod installation (4 rods input - 56 rods return ) can simply be powered LEGALLY by plugging the toroids and the phase / neutral as shown in a previous schematic into any mains outlet receptacle and get the SAME type of results B&L
demonstrated in their first you tube video ( which has now been taken down ). THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID!!! and I have recently done the same thing MYSELF!!! you CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT THE GROUND RODS IN PLACE FIRST!!! I verified my results with my KILL-A-WATT meters I always use in my circuits. the results were stunning to say the least. you get about 80% useage power through
the GROUND system to whatever load you place but ONLY USE ABOUT 20% power consumption through the mains system you use!!! so until you can get enough funds to obtain the battery and charger and the inverter you can just use the mains method and reduce your mains bill by about 80% as soon as you build. however do NOT bragg about it to your utility Company because you will be reducing their revenue from you by 80% and they sure won't like it ! in the mean time you can complete your build and finally get free.
example - I powered my unit (without charger, Battery,inverter attached at all) and plugged my microwave unit into my build output to load .........KWM meter read 15.5 amps at 1604 watts and the mains KWM SHOWED 2.2 amps at 268 watts. about an 80/20 relationship.
>>>
Free energy, bring it on.
Hmmm
where I grew up we had to be very careful when and where we "speculated"
such is not the case on the anonymous internet.
as a result of my experiences in life I chose not to speculate or assume and I always treat a man as if we were sitting at the same table.
but we've had this conversation many times before.
have a good night.
Chetkremens@gmail.com
I guess I have thicker skin. I have seen people speculate or outright accuse myself and others of being evil paid agents of the evil cabal and the associated death squads. It's kind of a comparable situation. I was also called a knucklehead, woo hoo. But I have never seen you state that those statements are not exactly good behaviour. If I can be accused of being associated with death squads and survive intact, surely Clarence can survive intact and step up to the plate also.
I think sometimes we get responses that are a direct reflection on our greeting.
here I think being called a whacko and Mentalevangalist [or whatever you called him[much worse]]
and a full paragraph of nasty , would invite similar responses.
Clarence chose to leave instead.
perhaps a more civil introduction would lead to similar responses.
however its not what you do and mostly you can play the TEACH and get by with being curt .
some folks [most men not women ] will come back at a Curt too'd with a similar or stronger retort.
sans all the evil stuff that comes your way once the games begin.
here we may never know what was actually being done with out biting the thousand dollar bullet.
and to be clear I know you always mean well, and there are no feelings in baseball
but you hurt Peeps feelins.
its how you roll ..and some Peeps come back with punches when their feelings get hurt
its what some Men do.....
not Clarence He's too old and wise for that.
Chet:
I do regret the comments and they could have been stated in a better way. I suppose it was partially due to a sense of righteous indignation. However, one year from now when this goes nowhere and chances are Clarence will be forgotten, you can thank me for at least being 100% correct about this situation. Just like I have been right before.
Beyond that, if you allegedly have such marvelous free energy technology that can give you a 500% increase in your mains power output when driving a load, why should some ego issues that you will naturally get over within a few days permanently prevent you from presenting your system and your data? Aren't the stakes much higher than one or two little egos? We all know who the real person in the long run will be the "bad guy." So you can paint me as the bad guy now but the real bad guy will eventually be revealed.
Assume Clarence is reading all of this too. The floor is yours if you want it Clarence.
MileHigh
well
I don't usually tell tales outa school, but I'm happy about this ,and you helped make it happen.
all I will say is the scope arrived safe and sound....
have a good night
Chet
Quote from: ramset on April 08, 2015, 06:40:55 PM
as a result of my experiences in life I chose not to speculate or assume and I always treat a man as if we were sitting at the same table.
Hi ramset. That is exactly it. MileHigh most certainly wouldn't be behaving the way he is behaving if he wasn't
hiding behind his internet account. ;)
All the best...
Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 09:11:32 PM
I do regret the comments and they could have been stated in a better way. I suppose it was partially due to a sense of righteous indignation. However, one year from now when this goes nowhere and chances are Clarence will be forgotten, you can thank me for at least being 100% correct about this situation. Just like I have been right before.
MileHigh, you obviously see yourself as some sort of great savior coming to all the lowly stupid
people's rescue, and saving them from their own folly with your great and superior intellect. ;D In actuality
much of the things you are saying are very obvious, and as I have mentioned, even a child could see through
your false reasoning and extremely simplistic point of view. Give it a rest already. I think most reasonable
people already know that the chances are that any given claimed over unity device will probably not
work as claimed. You may think that is a great revelation, but it is just very obvious stuff. Of course even
a child will realize that this doesn't mean that over unity is necessarily impossible. ;) Some of the devices
out there may possibly work as claimed.
Some people just enjoy investigating and experimenting with such things as a hobby, and we certainly don't
need a delusional megalomaniac like yourself going on and on about how much smarter you think you
are than everyone else, when in reality all you are doing is just proselytizing your blind belief that all
over unity is impossible. ;) That is about the furthest from a scientific approach that a person can get.
I blame the latest insanity here on the recent very strong full moon. That is about the only way
a person can explain yours and a few others very irrational behavior here. ;)
Quote from: Void on April 08, 2015, 09:35:17 PM
MileHigh, you obviously see yourself as some sort of great savior coming to all the lowly stupid
people's rescue, and saving them from their own folly with your great and superior intellect. ;D In actuality
much of the things you are saying are very obvious, and as I have mentioned, even a child could see through
your false reasoning and extremely simplistic point of view. Give it a rest already. I think most reasonable
people already know that the chances are that any given claimed over unity device will probably not
work as claimed. You may think that is a great revelation, but it is just very obvious stuff. Of course even
a child will realize that this doesn't mean that over unity is necessarily impossible. ;) Some of the devices
out there may possibly work as claimed.
Some people just enjoy investigating and experimenting with such things as a hobby, and we certainly don't
need a delusional megalomaniac like yourself going on and on about how much smarter you think you
are than everyone else, when in reality all you are doing is just proselytizing your blind belief that all
over unity is impossible. ;) That is about the furthest from a scientific approach that a person can get.
I blame the latest insanity here on the recent very strong full moon. That is about the only way
a person can explain yours and a few others very irrational behavior here. ;)
Void:
I would agree with your posting about some folks here just want to experiment as a hobby. I do not recall any posts of MH calling anyone down for doing that. What gets folks like him, TK, MarkE, myself, and many others perturbed is when someone makes a claim of self-running, O.U., free energy, etc with no basis for doing so. Then, when someone asks for some data, or dare I say "proof' of these claims, the insults start flying. Your hobbyist experimenter is now really put out that anyone might dare ask for such a thing. So put out, in fact, that they pack up their marbles and go home. Then, others claim that world would now have free energy if only such a question were not asked. The inquisitor is now blamed for depriving the world of yet another free energy device.
I have seen this happen waaaay to many times here...following exactly the script as written above.
Playing around with electronics and other devices is fine, I do it myself. What I do NOT do is make any claim that I can not/will not back up with real data or at least, enough information for many folks to easily build a working replication.
Sure, some questions can be asked in a better manner than others but, in this case, if you really think that would have made any difference, I think you are mistaken. This fellow could not back up his claims and, he knew that, so, he would have disappeared anyway. (My opinion, of course)
Once you see this happen about 20 times, it does get a little frustrating. That is why you might see a posting like..."Here we go again"...or something like that when someone makes yet another claim that he can't back up.
Experiment? Fine, have fun and learn and enjoy. Make unsubstantiated free energy claims and you should EXPECT to be asked for some proof or data. I do not think this is wrong.
Bill
Mile High: If you have a system which legally reduces your power bills by 80%
then I and I am sure many others would like more details please.If Clarence has discovered the same thing then it is surely a vindication of his work.
He may not exactly understand how. But he certainly has achieved something.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 09, 2015, 12:39:40 AM
Mile High: If you have a system which legally reduces your power bills by 80%
then I and I am sure many others would like more details please.If Clarence has discovered the same thing then it is surely a vindication of his work.
He may not exactly understand how. But he certainly has achieved something.
You need to go and reread the post.
Void:
So do you now feel empowered with some sort of license to bash me? Does it make you feel good? Should Chet check you and explain the error of your ways? Those are just rhetorical questions.
The real questions I have for you are about alleging that I am "delusional," use "false reasoning" and have an "extremely simplistic point of view." Please go ahead and explain your justification for making each of those statements. I really want to hear what you have to say.
A.king21:
QuoteHe may not exactly understand how. But he certainly has achieved something.
You have to work on getting real and being conservative and using your critical thinking skills. It's irresponsible for you to make that statement. The only "evidence" you have for that statement is what Clarence said in a text posting.
Hey, if it's true then all that you have to do is connect one Clarence 5XOU mains power box in series to another Clarence 5XOU mains power box and then you can power your house and your electricity consumption will be 1/25th of what it normally is. Go ahead and build it if you are so confident.
All:
Have you ever heard of Munchausen syndrome? If not, it's worth it to look it up and contemplate possible variations on that particular aspect of human behaviour.
MileHigh
Quote from: Void on April 08, 2015, 09:24:30 PM
Hi ramset. That is exactly it. MileHigh most certainly wouldn't be behaving the way he is behaving if he wasn't
hiding behind his internet account. ;)
All the best...
Void:
If I went to a doctor and it became apparent that he didn't know the difference between viruses and bacteria I would leave and report him to the medical authorities. If I went to a mechanic and he didn't know the difference between English and metric tools I would not let him touch my car. If I met John Rohner pushing his "Papp engine" at an industrial power trade show I would have a good heated face-to-face debate with him on the trade show floor. If I sat through a two-hour presentation by someone pushing a "magic mains box" that was supposed to magically reduce your power consumption by a factor of five and over the course of the two-hour presentation there was a near-continuous stream of absurd statements and technical gaffes demonstrating delusional behaviour and a serious lack of competence in the subject matter at hand, I would tell the guy that he was FOS straight to his face no problem. However, I would not say anything about "mental masturbation" because that would be going too far. See, I am not perfect and I am just being honest. So there is partial justification in what was said about me, and likewise I am justified in other comments that I will stand by.
MileHigh
Quote from: memoryman on April 08, 2015, 10:42:58 AM
"The only thing preventing anyone from achieving free energy is not looking." no, the only thing preventing anyone from achieving free energy is because it does not exist in the sense of 'multiplication, amplification or creation of energy'.
Not that we need it in the first place: look up Thorium and liquid fuel reactors, a.k.a. LFTR.
There is no shortage of energy as such; only specific forms in specific places.
Clarence has not demonstrated anything; so far claims, nonsensical schematics and vague statements.
There is a chance that he (or others) will hurt themselves by poor practices.
To me it is amazing how easily and quickly people will believe claims and videos. Are they that desperate? Is their inner insecurity that bad? To me the energy companies are no different than any other business: selling a product or service while making a profit. If they commit illegal acts while doing so, they should be held accountable.
Lighten up, this site is entertainment, nothing less, nothing more.
You just don't know enough or have bought the pseudo science that is sold in the mainstream.
Quote from: tinman on April 08, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
Oh here we go.
Are you brave enough to name those who you believe-sorry,know for fact are paid agent's for the global zoinist cartels lol-or are you just all talk?.
Hey, Did you figure out the magnet is causing the oscillation? Change the magnet and you'll get another frequency. Here's your chance to change the title of the video from 'unknown source' and actually do something useful ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 12:06:07 PM
Okay so I looked at the simplified schematic. I marked it up and attached it.
Look, I see this:
Battery -> Inverter -> (load and smart charger) -> back to the battery.
The conductivity between the "Ground Grid Input" and the "Ground Grid Return" is going to be very high and you can treat it as a short circuit.
I have no clue what the pair of toroids is supposed to do and the connections are "strange" but it doesn't really matter.
Connect a shorted coil across a toroid and see for yourself. If you cannot understand the basics you won't be taken seriously.
Quote
The output of the sine wave inverter is directly connected to the input of the smart charger. The funky toroids may as well not even be there. Anybody that truly understands electronics would see this right away. This is the old tired, "battery connected to the charger connected to he battery" nonsense.
It's only absurd if your preconceived notions have blinded you. That sounds like something you would say to me, no?
MileHigh
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 08, 2015, 10:43:54 PM
Void:
I would agree with your posting about some folks here just want to experiment as a hobby. I do not recall any posts of MH calling anyone down for doing that. What gets folks like him, TK, MarkE, myself, and many others perturbed is when someone makes a claim of self-running, O.U., free energy, etc with no basis for doing so.
Bill
I have no problem with someone calling for data to support a claim. I really enjoy the way that Gyula & Mags do this. They are polite and in my experience try to point out potential measuremnet errors without being arrogant or disdainful or abusive. Not pointing fingers! I just think we lose a lot of constructive discussion here as so many threads end up in abuse on all sides. I guess it would be nice if we could just be respectful of each other and avoid feeding any troll like behaviour.
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 09, 2015, 05:13:35 AM
Hey, Did you figure out the magnet is causing the oscillation? Change the magnet and you'll get another frequency. Here's your chance to change the title of the video from 'unknown source' and actually do something useful ;D
Lol-no,incorrect-->but who am i to spoil your fun.
QuoteConnect a shorted coil across a toroid and see for yourself. If you cannot understand the basics you won't be taken seriously.
Lol,you get a big induction heater,as one person here that has built the wonder transformer found out lol.
Quote from: tinman on April 09, 2015, 05:38:20 AM
Lol-no,incorrect-->but who am i to spoil your fun.
Lol,you get a big induction heater,as one person here that has built the wonder transformer found out lol.
Where's your data ? Bhawwhahaha
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 08, 2015, 10:43:54 PM
Void:
I would agree with your posting about some folks here just want to experiment as a hobby. I do not recall any posts of MH calling anyone down for doing that. What gets folks like him, TK, MarkE, myself, and many others perturbed is when someone makes a claim of self-running, O.U., free energy, etc with no basis for doing so. Then, when someone asks for some data, or dare I say "proof' of these claims, the insults start flying. Your hobbyist experimenter is now really put out that anyone might dare ask for such a thing. So put out, in fact, that they pack up their marbles and go home. Then, others claim that world would now have free energy if only such a question were not asked. The inquisitor is now blamed for depriving the world of yet another free energy device.
I have seen this happen waaaay to many times here...following exactly the script as written above.
Hi Pirate88179. I am sorry, but what you are saying is nonsense. I am sure at some level you may
actually believe such things, but it really is just nonsense. The people such as you mentioned often make
very rude and condescending statements and then claim that all they have been doing is so innocently 'asking
for some data', as you also say. This is not a formal peer reviewed scientific journal/forum, no matter what some people
here may imagine. No one is under any obligation here to supply any 'data' just because some full of them self person is
demanding it. I have seen time and time again where certain people here are making all sorts of arrogant and insulting
statements and unsupported accusations, and then when someone asks them to stop or gets annoyed with them, these
people gang up on that person and say how dare you attack us innocent people who have only been asking for a little data.
Who do you think you are fooling?
Some other people here have a technical background but do not get upset in the slightest if people do
not 'present data' or 'show proper measurements' or whatever else. Why is that? It is because they do not
have any investment in belief about whether over unity is possible or not. If I had a strong belief or inclination
that over unity was impossible, then I might also be motivated to start going around insulting and goading people
and 'demanding data' from people, and accusing all sorts of people of being frauds and scammers and what have
you even though I don't have any actual evidence to support such a claim. This is the way people commonly
act when they are trying to support a belief that is important to their world view. It is all about protecting a world view,
and in reality such behavior typically has little to do with just having an interest in seeing some 'data'.
When I see that people are making statements that they can't really support, I either just move on or
just point out that without some more clearly done experiments or proper measurements or whatever that
there is no way to see what is really going on there. If the person responds well to the suggestion, then great,
if they don't, then no worries, that is their own prerogative. Again, because I don't have any world view
that is threatened by someone making some claims about over unity, I have no motivation whatsoever
to start insulting such people or insinuating that they are frauds or idiots or anything else. That is what
it really boils down to in these informal discussion forums, and anyone who suggests otherwise is either
very dishonest, or very out of touch with reality.
Enough with the jihadism already. ;) All a person has to do is politely point out once that they don't think
there is sufficient reason to come to a conclusion that someone may have come to, and point out why they
think that, and if people are interested in their further opinions and advice they will ask for it. Let people learn
in their own way. The world will not end if people make some unsupported statements or make some improper
measurements. Not at all. :)
All the best...
Quote from: MileHigh on April 09, 2015, 01:32:40 AM
Void:
So do you now feel empowered with some sort of license to bash me? Does it make you feel good? Should Chet check you and explain the error of your ways? Those are just rhetorical questions.
Typical very dishonest response. You come in insulting and making all sorts of arrogant and condescending
statements, and when someone points it out and asks you to stop, you claim you are just so innocent and
are being unjustly attacked. Sorry, but you are not fooling anyone except the foolish.
I can't find the hatchet anywhere.....?
But we gotta bury something around here ??
maybe a few ground rods? :o
Void
maybe we can draw a line in the sand and move forward....
Tooo much nasty been floating around ,...while I have seen much worse
its time to turn the page .
PLEASE ??
lets prepare a feast for Clarence the Great ...?
FESTIVAS...
for his return !!
besides that we have the good news that the Scopes arrived yesterday for the experimenters
and to be clear... its a good day .
thanks again to the contributors ..
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on April 09, 2015, 08:11:14 AM
I can't find the hatchet anywhere.....?
But we gotta bury something around here ??
maybe a few ground rods? :o
Void
maybe we can draw a line in the sand and move forward....
Tooo much nasty been floating around ,...while I have seen much worse
its time to turn the page .
PLEASE ??
lets prepare a feast for Clarence the Great ...?
FESTIVAS...
for his return !!
ramset. I had asked MileHigh a few times nicely to stop his insults and condescending nonsense and he continues on and on, and
then now someone else steps in and claims that MileHigh is just innocently asking for some data. That is nonsense and needed
to be addressed. This sort of thing is happening much too often here. As I mentioned a few of us were doing just fine
here following along with Clarence's experiments and also giving a few suggestions here and there. MileHigh and a couple others
came in and started making insulting and very uninformed statements etc. When asked politely to stop with the nonsense MileHigh
just continued on with the trolling. I usually don't say too much about such things, but this sort of thing is going way too far here. It
is often becoming almost impossible to carry on any sort of meaningful discussion without various arrogant a-holes stepping in and
trolling with the very obvious intent of disrupting any further meaningful discussion and experiments. We were
doing perfectly fine without it. I also don't understand your jabs about Clarence. No one was putting him up on a pedestal.
We were just following along with his experiments and discussing a bit. Whether Clarence's enthusiasm that his device
was over unity would have actually panned out or not remained to be seen, and we were close to seeing that testing
being done, with Clarence putting in his last set of ground rods. Now I guess we may possibly not ever know the results
of those tests. Clearly MileHigh's and a few others 'assistance' here was not at all constructive. So much for this
being a place where people can constructively discuss over unity ideas and experiments and theories, etc. without being harassed. ;)
I have nothing at all against some constructive input and criticism where warranted, if done respectfully, but
what is often going here is far from that.
All the best...
I'm not jabbing at Clarence,I truly want to hear what he has to offer, Humor has always been
a tool to calm the beast... and cause a pause...
to reflect on whats really important.
I suspect that Clarence has a good sense of humor .
I truly hope That He will give Pause and a thought to what really matters and come back and share his findings here.
respectfully
Chet
Quote from: Void on April 09, 2015, 07:41:56 AM
Typical very dishonest response. You come in insulting and making all sorts of arrogant and condescending
statements, and when someone points it out and asks you to stop, you claim you are just so innocent and
are being unjustly attacked. Sorry, but you are not fooling anyone except the foolish.
You can stop trying to portray me as some kind of demon because it is not true. Yes, I saw the discussion and how out of whack it was and how it's something I have have seen many times before. With some righteous indignation I lashed out a bit and I admitted it. But to say I am "arrogant and condescending" is not true. Then I picked up on the technical side and offered some realistic analysis of the setup and offered some important measurement suggestions. But there were almost no comments to speak of.
You ignored my challenges to you to justify some of your name-calling to me.
Listen, I can get frustrated because you are a bunch of grown men, and you were having a discussion that was pure pseudo-technology and fantasy. In essence none of it was real. So a little shake-up can do something good sometimes. Like, guys, it's time to wake up!
I am not trying to "fool anybody." I am as real and you can get and I speak the truth. I have spoken the truth about this project. If you can't deal with it then you should try to understand where I am coming from.
I have seen so many cases like this where a bunch of people are being led on by somebody and at the end it's a total fail. The people say, "Oh well, time to move on, but I 'learned something.'" The problem is they never say what they learned. It would not be too unfair to say they were acting like sheep.
Just for fun, we can look at the EMJukie case one more time. Within short order I knew that his pitch was a farce. But he stuck to his guns and was very arrogant about his so-called technical prowess with five or more years of experience on his bench, running a website, etc. I challenged him to solve a question about a circuit with
only one component and a power supply. He was so sure of himself that he could answer the question. But he failed to do that, he failed miserably. He puffed out his chest and tried all different kinds of responses but he hadn't the slightest clue about what he was talking about with respect to the question. Unfortunately, Clarence is almost certainly in the same boat. He wouldn't stand a chance of answering a question about an electronic circuit that contains one single component. When someone is refusing to provide any credible data and suggests that you spend a thousand or more dollars and dig up your back yard to replicate, that takes some real balls when you have nothing. So that merits some push-back.
Hey, if you want to be a bunch of grown men led around by somebody that clearly and plain-as-day doesn't know what he is talking about, then that's your choice. But the stark reality was pointed out to you and you can take it or leave it. It's not being arrogant or condescending on my part, I am just telling you the truth, even if it is a bit harsh.
MileHigh
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 09, 2015, 05:31:06 AM
Connect a shorted coil across a toroid and see for yourself. If you cannot understand the basics you won't be taken seriously.
Your comment is laughable Bringdown. You have tried a few times to pretend that I don't know anything. The problem is that I have been around for a long time and my "technical street cred" is fully established.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 09, 2015, 09:26:09 AM
Hey, if you want to be a bunch of grown men led around by somebody that clearly and plain-as-day doesn't know what he is talking about, then that's your choice.
But the stark reality was pointed out to you and you can take it or leave it. It's not being arrogant or condescending on my part, I am just telling you the truth,
even if it is a bit harsh.
MileHigh
MileHigh. No one was being led around by somebody. That is a complete fabrication on your part.
Do you have no self respect whatsoever? Just because people aren't jumping all over someone and insulting
them, it doesn't mean that they are blindly following someone. At any rate nothing even remotely like you are
claiming was happening here. You are either extremely dishonest or very out of touch with reality. For the last time,
please stop your trolling here. You have done nothing but disrupt the discussions that were going on here.
I'm not trolling Void, the points I made are legitimate and worth consideration.
Let's look at the case of the grounding rods. Clarence said something like you needed 20 grounding rods, then 30, then 40. You had to bury the cables in the ground and then bring them all together to make the "common ground input" ground tie point.
What's the difference between having 20 grounding rods and 40 grounding rods for the "common ground input." Did anybody ask that question? I don't think anybody did. I think Clarence said that more grounding rods increased his voltage measurement. Since there is no logical reason for there to be a difference between 20 grounding rods and 40 grounding rods you have to wonder. Since there is no logical reason for some kind of voltage measurement to increase you have to wonder. Precisely what voltage was he measuring and did he demonstrate that? I don't think he did, he just made a text claim. Why in God's name would you have to bury all the cables? What's the difference if the cables aren't buried? The real answer is that the difference is zero.
So you end up with a whole backyard full of grounding rods, 40 of them are the "ground grid input" and five of them are the "ground grid return." Why? Is there really any difference between the "ground grid input" and the "ground grid return" considering that they are all essentially identical grounding rods stuck in the ground? And what about your back yard? Can you envision your wife after four months telling you to dig up that foolishness and return your back yard to normalcy?
That's just an example of a discussion that should take place in my opinion. Instead you get "Big Fish" stories about how from week to week you need more and more grounding rods.
MileHigh
So endith any chance of any further constructive discussion here. ;)
Quote from: MileHigh on April 09, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
Your comment is laughable Bringdown. You have tried a few times to pretend that I don't know anything. The problem is that I have been around for a long time and my "technical street cred" is fully established.
You have nothing to show yet again. You are talking about a device which you know nothing about. What a waste of time you are. It's a good thing Clarence is not responding to your questions.
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 09, 2015, 10:30:52 AM
You have nothing to show yet again. You are talking about a device which you know nothing about. What a waste of time you are. It's a good thing Clarence is not responding to your questions.
Are you going to go ahead and make a replication? If you do, can you measure the five power flows under different loading conditions as per my marked-up schematic? Start with a fully recharged battery in each case. You can expect shorter run times as the power draw from the load increases.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 09, 2015, 10:57:00 AM
Are you going to go ahead and make a replication? If you do, can you measure the five power flows under different loading conditions as per my marked-up schematic? Start with a fully recharged battery in each case. You can expect shorter run times as the power draw from the load increases.
I'm not the one talking about something I don't know and making pretentious comments like he knows everything there is to know about the system. FYI, all the necessary readings and loading conditions have already been completed by Clarence and posted on these pages.
You can go and play with your marbles now.
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 09, 2015, 11:14:43 AM
FYI, all the necessary readings and loading conditions have already been completed by Clarence and posted on these pages.
Can you link to a posting that shows that?
looking by yourself
not even able to read the thread :o
phoebus 33: Spot on.
What interests me about the Clarence experiment is the possibility of creating Telluric currents.
Ionic flow underground is a much under researched area.
The forerunners like Stubblefield and their technology has been lost in the mists of time.
Of course, some of the highly qualified EEs round here don't even consider thinking out of the box.
They are in the BOX and their minds are forever enslaved.
They are much to be pitied.
The latest re-discovery of the Emme patent is a case in point.
Here is an earth/chemical battery which produces 3 kw.
The funny thing about it is that it needs less and less chemical input as time goes on and the current lasts longer and longer.
It's in the latest update of Patrick Kelly's book and I alerted him to it after a posting on this site.
Mr.King
I believe we are about to turn a page in history....
Chet K
Quote from: a.king21 on April 09, 2015, 01:41:26 PM
The latest re-discovery of the Emme patent is a case in point.
Here is an earth/chemical battery which produces 3 kw.
The funny thing about it is that it needs less and less chemical input as time goes on and the current lasts longer and longer.
It's in the latest update of Patrick Kelly's book and I alerted him to it after a posting on this site.
Hi a.king21. I didn't realize that Patrick Kelly was still updating his book. At one point he announced he
wasn't going to maintain it anymore, and I thought some other people began hosting his website/book?
All the best...
And here is the other energy from the ground thread at OUR
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2903.msg47868;topicseen#msg47868
just a wee interlude until Clarence gets done with his chores
Quote from: ramset on April 09, 2015, 01:55:40 PM
Mr.King
I believe we are about to turn a page in history....
Chet K
Yes VAR. Ahhh VAR.
var var var .
So easy.
Caught up with Tito L Oracion? Well no, he's still miles ahead.
But we're getting there.
(We hope) lol.
And here is the Wizard from Oz [TinMan] and his new movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKC4fX3XOp4
for those who may not be familiar with David Bowlings charger, ...[has a thread here somewhere
and over at Aarons place] I want to say Turion[energetic handle]???? not certain at this moment
trying to finish a motor job and three other tasks ATM...
Mr.King
Ohh How I would Love to give that Tito a nice Big Squeeeeze .something like this >> :o <<
However.. we shall see...?
Yes, I wonder who will be the first to report a battery explosion... I hope they take a video, that will be fun to watch.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 09, 2015, 05:18:36 PM
Yes, I wonder who will be the first to report a battery explosion... I hope they take a video, that will be fun to watch.
Yeah, you have to be careful at those frequencies.
I modified my set up just now with the famous capacitor. It,s charging at 20 khz and 120 volts.
Everything is running cool - the transistor in the oscillator is stone cold.
Nice.
Unfortunately I think a lot of bad happenings go unreported. eg. when people go quiet it's always a possibility they accidentally killed themselves trying to replicate a capacitive charger circuit or something dangerous like that. Truth is for a lot of us our family/friends have no idea where we post so if I was to die by accident the posts would just stop.
One thing I definitely do not want to experience is a battery explosion, I've seen the result of a battery explosion in a workshop,
a great deal of equipment was ruined by it and it took a lot of cleaning up. A charging accident on a farm where I worked for a time.
At first the farmer who connected the battery to charge was annoyed that he had destroyed a battery that he needed to use, then he was extremely peeved when he seen everything that he had to throw away. I'll bet he claimed it all as a tax deduction though. So the average tax payer had to pay for his mistake. Like they do quite often. Everything made form cloth was ruined for starters.
If he had to pay to replace everything the bill would have been in the thousands. If a person had been there the story would be different, much worse.
Heck even the UPS gell cell batteries explode when the fools think they can continue to draw a few hundred watts from a couple of 7 amp hour batteries after the power goes out. I keep telling them to either install the software to shut down the computer in a timely manner when the power goes off or don't leave the computer running and go out because if the power goes off the UPS tries to power the computer but the batteries cannot take the drain and they either explode or just drain in minutes and the computer just gets it power cut anyway.
I've explained that the batteries cannot give out 30 to 40 amps for long only a few minutes. But one guy says the UPS is rated for 900 watts 1500VA so he tries to use it to power his computer, I tell him to read the manual but he refuses to do so. Funny thing is
he knows Ohms law but he still doesn't get the concept of an Uninterruptible Power Supply's purpose.
He even tries to run his huge TV from a UPS in power outages. He also tries to charge sulfated wet lead acid batteries with a 12 amp charger. When he puts a battery on the charger I move all my stuff and clear out, he says I'm full of it but he has lots of busted and dead batteries to show his ignorance. He lets batteries drain flat then tries to charge them, I try to explain if he keeps them charged they will last longer and if they do get sulfated he needs to do a long trickle charge or use a desulfator circuit or mine to get the battery to take charge, or go buy a battery desulfator. But alas if I suggest something, then what I suggest is the last thing that is considered. He's too proud to ask me to desufate a battery for him but not to proud to make himself look a fool and endanger others and their stuff.
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Quote from: tinman on April 08, 2015, 01:29:04 PM
OK,so some of you think im all against what is being presented here by Clarence. Well the fact is,i am not against the idea,im against there being claims made without proof to back it up.
Anyway (MH lol)-seems that this device needs only a ground wire(thats ground,not neutral from home grid)to work. How ? i dont know yet,but i will work it out soon.
Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vHhgYW3GDI
A wise observer might have this to say about Tinman's video: "The frequency drift, when his hand nears the coil, implies a very weak field; possibly a nearby radio station signal is pumping the circuit. The frequency is lower but resonant frequency is a function of the L C values of the circuit. When his hand nears the circuit, the C or capacitance changes, shifting the resonant frequency."
"I had a transformer one time playing Willie Nelson from a nearby radio station. Instead of buzzing at the normal sound of a transformer you could hear country music inside the windings of the transformer. The alarm system wires were acting as an antenna and radiating the a.m. radio signal into the transformer. The radio station frequency was in the megahertz but the modulation was Willie Nelson and the modulation came across in the transformer."
Yes it can be dangerous ,these men are trained professionals do not try
this at home in your spare time.
OSHA statistic for Jobsite injuries .
** more people are injured, maimed, blinded or even killed from the miss use of a common screw driver than any other reported incident.
You two [Tinsel and Farmhand] throw lightning bolts around the kitchen
we don't hope you fry yourself ,or hope it gets caught on camera[Tinsel :P]....
we know that you take precautions.. don't expect anything less from the other builders here.
Quote from: Void on April 09, 2015, 07:39:10 AM
Hi Pirate88179. I am sorry, but what you are saying is nonsense. I am sure at some level you may
actually believe such things, but it really is just nonsense.
All the best...
Well then, we can agree that we disagree. I have attempted, many times, to point out that a device, such as the magic computer fan motor that runs itself, is not overunity but a hoax using some button cells and a reed switch and..what do I get for my politeness? I am called a paid shill for big oil, etc., etc. Then, they even call me a troll and a non-believer.
So, my point is, this cuts both ways. After many times of this type of thing happening, I probably am not as nice as I could be the next time something like this comes up. This gets especially frustrating to myself, and many others, when we see the same devices come up...again and again as if they were new and never debunked. Now, mostly, I just let it go...let them build it and see it does not/can not work.
Overunity is impossible. Free energy is possible. The energy must come from somewhere. We are stuck with the laws of nature and physics but, we can all work to find new sources of energy, and the most efficient ways possible to use existing sources of energy. That is a good goal and why I am here.
Trolls do not teach anyone anything and I have learned a lot from the fellows here being called trolls and paid shills.
Anyway, I suppose we will continue to see this differently.
Thanks,
Bill
Quote from: ramset on April 09, 2015, 08:08:14 PM
Yes it can be dangerous ,these men are trained professionals do not try
this at home in your spare time.
OSHA statistic for Jobsite injuries .
** more people are injured, maimed, blinded or even killed from the miss use of a common screw driver than any other reported incident.
You two [Tinsel and Farmhand] throw lightning bolts around the kitchen
we don't hope you fry yourself ,or hope it gets caught on camera[Tinsel :P]....
we know that you take precautions.. don't expect anything less from the other builders here.
It's not just the people that post that matter many people just read and do without posting, this is an open forum.
I'm fairly sure that when myself or others like Tinsel post about and show the details of potentially lethal devices we always warn of the danger and even warn each other of dangers that may go unnoticed.
I'll say again that bypassing the RCD as has been done in order to replicate the Barbosa and Leal device is very dangerous and illegal, at least in Australia it is. Doing that endangers everybody who uses electrical appliances at that address.
And similarly any high power medium voltage system ie, 120 to 240 volt system that is made to be "like the grid" as in ground connected and wires named neutral, phase and ground, should be made so that an RCD can be fitted to make it safe. It's not illegal to use an inverter without one but it should be in certain situations in my opinion.
With a proper warning those not comfortable dealing with lethal powers most likely would give it a miss, but when people encourage others to replicate with no warnings, that's irresponsible to begin with.
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Oh by the way I've shown myself being shocked by HF HV a few times, also at medium frequencies and medium voltages, I got video of myself getting accidentally shocked by an electric fence if you want to see that, but that isn't lethal unless one has some existing problem, I've shown HF arc burns on purpose.
It's all about recognizing what can likely kill you dead instantly and what has little chance of lasting injury.
.
Hello everyone
I'm a freshman from
Thailand
Then I saw a very interesting circuit.
I try to do it or not.
Quote from: ramset on April 09, 2015, 03:05:04 PM
And here is the Wizard from Oz [TinMan] and his new movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKC4fX3XOp4
for those who may not be familiar with David Bowlings charger, ...[has a thread here somewhere
and over at Aarons place] I want to say Turion[energetic handle]???? not certain at this moment
trying to finish a motor job and three other tasks ATM...
Mr.King
Ohh How I would Love to give that Tito a nice Big Squeeeeze .something like this >> :o <<
However.. we shall see...?
The busy with lights wizard is going to have a rigor mortis when he finds out thousands of people have already shown a load/no-load watt meter reading.
Note to self: May be too much for Mr.Wizard to understand this when he cannot make out between a captor and transformer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw
@Farmhand
QuoteI'm fairly sure that when myself or others like Tinsel post about and show the details of potentially lethal devices we always warn of the danger and even warn each other of dangers that may go unnoticed.
I'll say again that bypassing the RCD as has been done in order to replicate the Barbosa and Leal device is very dangerous and illegal, at least in Australia it is. Doing that endangers everybody who uses electrical appliances at that address.
My thoughts are that danger is relative and there is always a price to be paid for progress... it is not free nor is it easy. What I find very dangerous and almost painful to watch is complacency and unjustified fear mongering because the fact remains that if your not making mistakes you are not learning nor are you making progress. You know I could debate almost anything with anyone on any level but sometimes their is pure genius in absolute simplicity. My friend had one such thought which had profound meaning for me early on when he said... God hates a coward. Which was in fact odd because he was in no way a religious person and yet there it was. If you are not willing to put yourself out there and accept the risks then you will never truly succeed at anything in my opinion.
Make no mistake that I have probably forgotten more than you will ever know in this field of technology and I have paid a very great price for it. It is not free, it is not easy nor is it safe or all that productive in many cases but it was always worth the risk so many might benefit from what I have learned.
So please spare me your over exaggerated explanation of the risks involved because I'm the person who operates the power plants which provides the energy for people like you. Yes, I'm the guy at the other end of that line running to your house and I understand every detail involved from start to finish. It puts a little different spin on the conversation doesn't it?.... when you converse with someone who knows what their talking about because that is their profession.
So I will tell you something which may actually save your life at some point which Nikola Tesla explained in his lectures. Keep one hand in your pocket and you know why and never touch any connection with your hands only pliers rated above the voltage you are working with. No offense but I make more hot connections in a month than most have done in their life, not a problem , not an issue, it is normal for me even if it isn't for you. It's about common sense and I consider every circuit in the same respect as a gun, I assume it's always loaded and treat it as such because assumptions kill people.
So I understand your point however unless people start putting there unjustified fears of the unknown aside were screwed... do you understand that my friend?. We must make progress and many will pay a great price for this progress while cowards sit back afraid of the risks involved. Me I'm not that kind of person, I know the risks and I have no problem with it because it was never about me it is about you and our children's future. So man up, grow a set of balls and getter done because if there is a god i'm pretty sure he/she/it does hate cowards.
AC
Well you haven't told me anything i didn't already know either. I'll tell you a secret. You don't need one hand in your pocket, you
just need to only use one hand to touch the work. But if it's made safe anyway two hands is just fine. Don;t be scared of a device
made safe now. Or do you always work with one hand in your pocket. Does that pocket have a hole it it ? I'll bet it does.
Like I said the warnings are not for you so just ignore it. If you think I was trying to warn you or other Trained people then you
have a mental problem.
And I am fairly sure I know more than you will ever know about many things as well, and I haven't forgotten.
As I remember it your solution to finding a needle in a hay stack is to burn it and use a magnet, but what if the needle is a bone needle ?
There is nothing wrong with safety warnings. Anyone who thinks otherwise is nuts.
So tell me this at least is it OK to bypass the RCD on the house ? And in what countries is it mandatory to have one fitted ?
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Quote from: allcanadian on April 10, 2015, 01:56:21 AM
@Farmhand
So please spare me your over exaggerated explanation of the risks involved because I'm the person who operates the power plants which provides the energy for people like you. Yes, I'm the guy at the other end of that line running to your house and I understand every detail involved from start to finish. It puts a little different spin on the conversation doesn't it?.... when you converse with someone who knows what their talking about because that is their profession.
That in bold is incorrect, you are in Canada I think and I am in Australia, talk about conceited and egotistical.
It's all you and no one else hey. Very funny.
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If you want people to believe your claims you need to provide some proof. How about posting your papers so we know your not just making it all up ?
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Hey Bill
QuoteOverunity is impossible. Free energy is possible. The energy must come from somewhere. We are stuck with the laws of nature and physics but, we can all work to find new sources of energy, and the most efficient ways possible to use existing sources of energy. That is a good goal and why I am here.
Have you ever seen a grown man naked billy? (from the parody airplane) ... err wrong question... have you ever said something and in retrospect been in awe of our own words which we didn't really understand at the time they were spoken?.
What is free energy when all energy is inherently free?, at which point we might ask who owns it if we must reduce energy to the petty quite human construct of money?, does someone own the Sun?... well no that is absurd and yet all life and for the most part energy does relate to our Sun which is in fact a star. So what is Energy really?.Well if we had no Sun, our star, then there would be no life on Earth and it would be a cold,dark.dead planet so life may relate to proximity to Energy in the form of a star.
It is a strange thing Energy?, I mean I have spoken with hundreds of people about Energy but when I ask them what it is they wreak of fear because they have no conception of what it is fundamentally. Personally I have found it is easier to simply do away with this faulty construct which was never actually understood by anyone. Energy is in everything everywhere in every space we know of thus it is the norm not the exception to some misguided rule by people who obviously do not understand what it is. There s no overunity nor is there free energy bound to the misguided construct of trade relating to money. The universe outside this delusional little planet we call Earth has no conception of the construct of value, trade nor money thus the term "free" has no weight.
Thus in the big picture one can only conclude... were all screwed up. Delusional petty little beings clinging to faulty beliefs so we don't have to deal with the truth that were just another backwater planet revolving around a slowly dying star. But were so much more than that aren't we?, all the hoopla and grandeur of people with an IQ about the same as there shoe size as we screw away our children's future.... we will simply adapt to the result of our own stupidity.
Me I want to opt out of the human race, I digress, I give up because we are a losing proposition. It has literally nothing to do with Energy because even if it was free we would find some way to screw it up. It will require a drastic change in perspective, a change in the way we see our place in this universe. It is like asking a psychopath to change their wicked ways when they have no inclination to do so. Free energy is not our salvation when it still amounts to giving a retard a loaded gun. It is what it is any way you want to spin it in my opinion.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on April 10, 2015, 01:56:21 AM
@Farmhand
My thoughts are that danger is relative and there is always a price to be paid for progress... it is not free nor is it easy. What I find very dangerous and almost painful to watch is complacency and unjustified fear mongering because the fact remains that if your not making mistakes you are not learning nor are you making progress. You know I could debate almost anything with anyone on any level but sometimes their is pure genius in absolute simplicity. My friend had one such thought which had profound meaning for me early on when he said... God hates a coward. Which was in fact odd because he was in no way a religious person and yet there it was. If you are not willing to put yourself out there and accept the risks then you will never truly succeed at anything in my opinion.
Make no mistake that I have probably forgotten more than you will ever know in this field of technology and I have paid a very great price for it. It is not free, it is not easy nor is it safe or all that productive in many cases but it was always worth the risk so many might benefit from what I have learned.
So please spare me your over exaggerated explanation of the risks involved because I'm the person who operates the power plants which provides the energy for people like you. Yes, I'm the guy at the other end of that line running to your house and I understand every detail involved from start to finish. It puts a little different spin on the conversation doesn't it?.... when you converse with someone who knows what their talking about because that is their profession.
So I will tell you something which may actually save your life at some point which Nikola Tesla explained in his lectures. Keep one hand in your pocket and you know why and never touch any connection with your hands only pliers rated above the voltage you are working with. No offense but I make more hot connections in a month than most have done in their life, not a problem , not an issue, it is normal for me even if it isn't for you. It's about common sense and I consider every circuit in the same respect as a gun, I assume it's always loaded and treat it as such because assumptions kill people.
So I understand your point however unless people start putting there unjustified fears of the unknown aside were screwed... do you understand that my friend?. We must make progress and many will pay a great price for this progress while cowards sit back afraid of the risks involved. Me I'm not that kind of person, I know the risks and I have no problem with it because it was never about me it is about you and our children's future. So man up, grow a set of balls and getter done because if there is a god i'm pretty sure he/she/it does hate cowards.
AC
Hello allcanadian,
For that matter if anyone mentioned risks involved in the Kapanadze thread they would be laughed out and their ploy would be outed immediately.
Good day or night whereever you are.
Quote from: wistiti on April 07, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Hi Clarence!
Here is our replication of your device. As i said before here the ground outside is still deeply frozen so we improvise with the grounding part... The neutral of the the primary goes to sewers cast iron pipe and the return ground came from the main house ground copper water pipe.
One other thing different of your setup is the primary of the 2 toroidal transformer are wound all over the toroid... they are factory made transformer (primary 120vac, sec 12vac removed)
The system work! it seem to charge the battery while runing and ligh a 50w load. :)
But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...
Can you help me with this issue??
Thank you! :)
Hi Wistiti , following your nice replication attempt and constructive update above quoted , I have 2 questions :
- have you been able to solve your high current issue ?
- is it then possible consequently to make the setup working with normal toroid as the ones you used ?
Best regards
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 09, 2015, 08:56:52 PM
Overunity is impossible. Free energy is possible. The energy must come from somewhere.
We are stuck with the laws of nature and physics but, we can all work to find new sources of energy,
and the most efficient ways possible to use existing sources of energy. That is a good goal and why I am here.
Hi Pirate88179. The term over unity just implies that the power being delivered to the load is greater than the
power being supplied by the system's power source. It in no way at all implies that the excess energy is
coming from nowhere. If there is excess energy in a system beyond what the power source is supplying, then
that energy most certainly would have to be coming from somewhere. That would definitely still be over unity however.
It doesn't matter where the excess energy is coming from. As long as the average output power divided
by the average input power is greater than 1 (1 = unity), then that would most definitely be over unity. It
has nothing whatsoever to do with where that excess energy might be coming from. :)
All the best...
Yup .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADUt3_RwFVw&feature=player_detailpage#t=55
E-Cat test results published, third party independent (32 day test) results show 3.5 times more energy out than consumed .. six professors put their reputations on the line.
they held it back for twenty years but now it's out.
Yes Cold Fusion is raising more than eyebrows [excess heat]
http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/iccf19.html
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/
http://kb.e-catworld.com/index.php?title=Alexander_Parkhomov's_E-Cat_replication_experiments
i suggest that you read some comments on that demonstration on PESN and Revolution-green; Rossi's methods do not pass scrutiny. I personally think that LENR does produce excess heat - nobody has been able to come up with a reliable commercial product yet.
When I get some time and money to spend on research, I intend to do my own later this year.
Quote from: ramset on April 09, 2015, 08:08:14 PM
Yes it can be dangerous ,these men are trained professionals do not try
this at home in your spare time.
OSHA statistic for Jobsite injuries .
** more people are injured, maimed, blinded or even killed from the miss use of a common screw driver than any other reported incident.
You two [Tinsel and Farmhand] throw lightning bolts around the kitchen
we don't hope you fry yourself ,or hope it gets caught on camera[Tinsel :P ]....
we know that you take precautions.. don't expect anything less from the other builders here.
How many times have you seen me working with HV or mains powered equipment using a maze of cheap Chinese clipleads all over the place, bare wires twisted together, big capacitors lying around connected willy-nilly? Yet we see that kind of thing all the time from "other builders"... some of them.... whose work is shown here.
How many times have you seen me using discharge wands to neutralize the charge on big capacitors in my circuits? How many times have you seen that precaution from "other builders" whose work is shown here?
How many people have _actually_ shown _real_ systems operating by VRSWR, who actually demonstrate good techniques in high-voltage construction and HV safety?
I can count them on half the fingers of one hand, whether the other one is in my pocket or not. Farmhand is one, and the other is...er.... me.
The point about the battery charger is this: Charging LA batteries emit hydrogen gas. Hydrogen gas is explosive in the right concentrations with air, such as are present in and near LA batteries being charged. Poor connections with the typical clipleads and twisted wiring we have seen so many times by "other builder" on this forum can easily create sparks, or overheat and fuse. (Have you ever seen the tiny actual copper that's inside many of the cheap Chinese clipleads that are so popular? It's scary.) The capacitors used can short, allowing high currents to pass relatively instantly. The cat can jump on the bench (kitchen table? Bedroom floor?) and knock a cliplead loose creating a spark. I've even seen people use the charging battery as the support for their DMMs.
And house mains wiring is often misunderstood and sometimes even miswired. Are you confident that no self-taught or even professional electrician hasn't miswired an outlet or entire branch circuit, mixing up Line and Neutral? That there isn't some leakage somewhere? Got, say, a ceiling fan running on the same branch that you are experimenting with? Guess what: Line is connected directly to Neutral through the coils of the ceiling fan motor.
Many of the "other builders" I see working on this and other forums are literally setting up for accidents waiting to happen. Some of them don't seem to be able to learn from example... perhaps if they survive, they'll eventually learn from experience, as I have.
Quote from: allcanadian on April 10, 2015, 03:41:22 AM
Hey Bill
Have you ever seen a grown man naked billy? (from the parody airplane) ... err wrong question... have you ever said something and in retrospect been in awe of our own words which we didn't really understand at the time they were spoken?.
What is free energy when all energy is inherently free?, at which point we might ask who owns it if we must reduce energy to the petty quite human construct of money?, does someone own the Sun?... well no that is absurd and yet all life and for the most part energy does relate to our Sun which is in fact a star. So what is Energy really?.Well if we had no Sun, our star, then there would be no life on Earth and it would be a cold,dark.dead planet so life may relate to proximity to Energy in the form of a star.
It is a strange thing Energy?, I mean I have spoken with hundreds of people about Energy but when I ask them what it is they wreak of fear because they have no conception of what it is fundamentally. Personally I have found it is easier to simply do away with this faulty construct which was never actually understood by anyone. Energy is in everything everywhere in every space we know of thus it is the norm not the exception to some misguided rule by people who obviously do not understand what it is. There s no overunity nor is there free energy bound to the misguided construct of trade relating to money. The universe outside this delusional little planet we call Earth has no conception of the construct of value, trade nor money thus the term "free" has no weight.
Thus in the big picture one can only conclude... were all screwed up. Delusional petty little beings clinging to faulty beliefs so we don't have to deal with the truth that were just another backwater planet revolving around a slowly dying star. But were so much more than that aren't we?, all the hoopla and grandeur of people with an IQ about the same as there shoe size as we screw away our children's future.... we will simply adapt to the result of our own stupidity.
Me I want to opt out of the human race, I digress, I give up because we are a losing proposition. It has literally nothing to do with Energy because even if it was free we would find some way to screw it up. It will require a drastic change in perspective, a change in the way we see our place in this universe. It is like asking a psychopath to change their wicked ways when they have no inclination to do so. Free energy is not our salvation when it still amounts to giving a retard a loaded gun. It is what it is any way you want to spin it in my opinion.
AC
Good day AC
I don't usually post just to post something.......... but you *hit the nail on the head*.
I concur 110%.
take care, peace
lost_bro
At least cold fusion has an unexplained and not understood hypothetical proposed mechanism for the production of excess heat. It's not a free energy claim. Unfortunately, Rossi is a poster boy for how to not go about making a claim. Between the imaginary automated factories, the huge gaffe about mass-energy conversion that even a smart high school student would not make, and the total failure to let 100% independent third parties verify the claim, Rossi is seemingly just treading water.
Somebody else, not Rossi, needs to verify the claims in a 100% transparent, 100% credible manner. I am just talking in generalities because I don't really follow LENR in great detail. I look at it almost in a way I look at "breakthrough battery technology." Every month there is some kind of "miracle battery" being discussed in a press release, but none of these miracle batteries ever make it into production.
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 09, 2015, 10:41:18 PM
The busy with lights wizard is going to have a rigor mortis when he finds out thousands of people have already shown a load/no-load watt meter reading.
Note to self: May be too much for Mr.Wizard to understand this when he cannot make out between a captor and transformer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw
JR member-your an idiot.
You have no idea as to what myself and others have been doing with this circuit.
The captor is rubbish-it's a nothing transformer. When you build one and show me the wonders hidden within,then maybe i will start to take note of your dribble. Until then cupcake,put up or shut up.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 09, 2015, 05:18:36 PM
Yes, I wonder who will be the first to report a battery explosion... I hope they take a video, that will be fun to watch.
At these low power's,i dont think there will be any explosions.
My standard battery charge put in 4 amp's @ 13.4 volts-and no bang. So 2 watts in isnt going to make fire works,i wouldnt think. :D
Tinsel
yes some get a chance to have life experience ..and others don't get the privilege of growing old.
Myself being trained in Aircraft [Just one of "your" many skills] playing next to a screaming prop
winging by your ears ,,,well you pick up a certain mind set ,or ...?
so you do have that edge..
.
respectfully
Chet
Quote from: Void on April 10, 2015, 06:42:10 AM
Hi Pirate88179. The term over unity just implies that the power being delivered to the load is greater than the
power being supplied by the system's power source. It in no way at all implies that the excess energy is
coming from nowhere. If there is excess energy in a system beyond what the power source is supplying, then
that energy most certainly would have to be coming from somewhere. That would definitely still be over unity however.
It doesn't matter where the excess energy is coming from. As long as the average output power divided
by the average input power is greater than 1 (1 = unity), then that would most definitely be over unity. It
has nothing whatsoever to do with where that excess energy might be coming from. :)
All the best...
"Somewhere" and "nowhere" are synonymous in the above statement. It absolutely matters where the excess energy allegedly comes from. We have all sorts of ways of detecting and measuring energy in it's various forms.
The problem is that the pitch is always, "It's not over unity, the 'open system' is just getting energy from some new unknown energy source." That is a total cop-out because for years and years this statement is made for so many unproven alleged over unity systems.
You saw my marked up diagram showing the five points where you can measure the power flows? Why did I do that? It's because if you follow the power flows then you should be able to see where the "excess energy enters the system." You don't even have to detect the mysterious elusive "unknown form of energy." All that you have to do is
measure exactly where it manifests itself in electrical form in your circuit. You should literally be able to measure say a coil and say, "Look, here is my measurement of 50 watts going into the 'magic' coil, and here is my measurement of 100 watts coming out of the 'magic' coil,
this must be the entry point for the unexplained energy. But you
never see that. Real voltage and current waveforms, in and out.
You should be able to pinpoint
exactly where this happens in an Akula or Kapanadze circuit. But it is never shown, and likewise it is never asked for by the believers. It's just a viscous circle, a merry-go-round of the absurd. Essentially the same phenomenon is happening in this thread.
void, you are using the terms 'energy' and 'power' as though they are the same: they are not.
Quote from: tinman on April 10, 2015, 10:40:31 AM
At these low power's,i dont think there will be any explosions.
My standard battery charge put in 4 amp's @ 13.4 volts-and no bang. So 2 watts in isnt going to make fire works,i wouldnt think. :D
All you need is a tiny spark to set off a hydrogen explosion.... That's why it is always a good idea to have proper ventilation when charging LA batteries so that you don't get a buildup of hydrogen, neither inside the battery itself nor nearby outside the battery, like a battery box. And the power of the explosion will depend on the amount of hydrogen you've built up, not on the tiny spark that sets it off.
What happens if your capacitor or bridge rectifier fails shorted?
Quote from: ramset on April 10, 2015, 10:43:03 AM
Tinsel
yes some get a chance to have life experience ..and others don't get the privilege of growing old.
Myself being trained in Aircraft [Just one of "your" many skills] playing next to a screaming prop
winging by your ears ,,,well you pick up a certain mind set ,or ...?
so you do have that edge..
.
respectfully
Chet
Heh.. I used to run the test cells at a major overhaul facility. You know you're alive all right, when you are adjusting the fuel injection pump on a 6-cylinder Continental on the test stand, running a six-foot propeller at 2300 RPM inches away from your head and hands....
How about 4 rows of seven .... :o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_R-4360_Wasp_Major
we had these in school [military donations] ,if your head was not screwed on right
there wouldn't even be dust left...[prop testing inspection and adjustment]
but as I was telling Brad ,sometimes life gives us a little reminder to be careful
and not so cavalier when it comes to safety [I got one :o]
Try very hard to Keep a clear head !!
quote from MileHigh:
"Somewhere" and "nowhere" are synonymous in the above statement. It absolutely matters where the excess energy allegedly comes from. We have all sorts of ways of detecting and measuring energy in it's various forms."
end quote.
Then perhaps you can explain where the "extra" energy comes from, when a magnet is passed by a coil.
As it's Not "coming" from the coil, nor from the magnet. So, how can that magnetic flow be measured, to prove where the endless magnetic flux is coming from?
As magnetic current is also the cause of electricity, or/and electric current, to begin with.
So, please explain your thoughts on the real source of magnetic current or magnetic energy, which can also light high wattage bulbs, without being dangerous, nor being "hot electricity".
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 10, 2015, 11:07:49 AM
All you need is a tiny spark to set off a hydrogen explosion.... That's why it is always a good idea to have proper ventilation when charging LA batteries so that you don't get a buildup of hydrogen, neither inside the battery itself nor nearby outside the battery, like a battery box. And the power of the explosion will depend on the amount of hydrogen you've built up, not on the tiny spark that sets it off.
What happens if your capacitor or bridge rectifier fails shorted?
I would expect the RCD to trip,or just to have an open circuit.
As im using an SLA,there are no hydrogen fumes to go bang ;)
But i hear what your saying with the FLAB's.
So supposedly Clarence has a system were you can draw 200 watts from the mains and power a 1000 watt load. Or, if you cascade two of them in series, you should be able to draw 40 watts from the mains and power a 1000 watt load. Farking amazing.
Here is something that a lot of you believers without applying critical thinking, and believers without questioning, should do to give you a sense about what power and energy really are:
For starters, you can't forget that almost all of our electrical power at one stage in its generation comes from brute force mechanical power. Just bloody brute force mechanical power, very unglamorous, like some giant ox turning a wheel. You see a clip of overhead wires shorting out and sometimes it's a frighting and mind-blowing catastrophic explosion. The clips are all over YouTube. You will never take overhead wiring lightly after you see some of those clips when you see the potentially enormous amounts of power that can be liberated from those overhead wires. That's because somewhere there is a giant 1000-ton spinning wheel that stores an enormous amount of rotational energy, but more importantly, it's like a giant inductor discharging where the discharging inductor is a literally unstoppable current source with the instantaneous power capacity of millions and millions of horsepower.
What you should do is connect an exercise bike to an alternator, and connect the alternator to a 100-watt incandescent light bulb. Then get on the exercise bike and pedal and try to light the bulb at full power. When you start pedaling, it seems okay. However, when the bulb starts to light there will be some resistance in your legs. When the bulb gets fully lit, you will be shocked at how much your legs have to work and if you are not a toned athlete with excellent cardio stamina, you will be lucky if you can keep the bulb lit at full power for one minute.
Instead of fantasizing and always gobbling up unfounded statements made by any free energy claimant that shows up on your doorstep, feel what it really feels like for your legs to put out 100 watts of continuous mechanical power for one full minute. I am willing to bet that some of you would be shocked at this realization. Then turn on your 1000 watt hair dryer, feel the heated air flow past your hand, and then contemplate what 1000 watts really means.
Clarence claims that with 200 watts, he can give you 800 watts of free energy. That's eight Olympic-class runners and swimmers lined up in a neat row pumping away at their bicycle-generators - for free! They just magically appeared out of thin air. Contemplate the raw brute continuous mechanical power from eight Olympic athletes, and compare that to your shock when you got on the bicycle-generator yourself and you tried to keep a 100-watt light bulb lit for just one minute.
Perhaps that will help you understand, and give you some respect, for power and what it really means. It's more than some unknown guy making text postings about some alleged clamp-on meter readings.
Quote from: NickZ on April 10, 2015, 11:28:49 AM
quote from MileHigh:
"Somewhere" and "nowhere" are synonymous in the above statement. It absolutely matters where the excess energy allegedly comes from. We have all sorts of ways of detecting and measuring energy in it's various forms."
end quote.
Then perhaps you can explain where the "extra" energy comes from, when a magnet is passed by a coil.
As it's Not "coming" from the coil, nor from the magnet. So, how can that magnetic flow be measured, to prove where the endless magnetic flux is coming from?
As magnetic current is also the cause of electricity, or/and electric current, to begin with.
So, please explain your thoughts on the real source of magnetic current or magnetic energy, which can also light high wattage bulbs, without being dangerous, nor being "hot electricity".
You have got to be kidding. How long have you been on this forum? If you can't answer your question yourself, then do the research yourself and teach yourself. Since you have probably read the explanation hundreds of times, it obviously has not sunk in so there is no point in me stating it here. Go to school, go to Google, get a book, whatever. You have to educate yourself and then answer this question for yourself.
MH
yes Tommey Reed was doing some of that with His trike project..
also makes you appreciate just how much energy is coming from the sun.
1000 watts per square meter [ :o is it safe...???]
when a scrappy 20% efficient solar cell can do 200 watts ...
Plus we have this....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D39u9eeGG4c
its no wonder we have Bugs that can do this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc
Soo
Clarence ..hows the chores going ??
Chet K
Quote from: tinman on April 10, 2015, 10:34:35 AM
JR member-your an idiot.
You have no idea as to what myself and others have been doing with this circuit.
The captor is rubbish-it's a nothing transformer. When you build one and show me the wonders hidden within,then maybe i will start to take note of your dribble. Until then cupcake,put up or shut up.
Tinwizard, For all the noise you make you haven't realized Clarence has already shown a working build of the captor simple and straighforward. It's your colossal ignorance that is preventing you from anything of substance. Keep tinkering with your tinker toys and let others like Clarence work on real meaningful projects.
You look like you've lost grip on reality with your transformer crackpottery and misdirections about the captor.
Don't get so upset when others ask you for data slowpoke.
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 10, 2015, 12:52:36 PM
Tinwizard, For all the noise you make you haven't realized Clarence has already shown a working build of the captor simple and straighforward. It's your colossal ignorance that is preventing you from anything of substance. Keep tinkering with your tinker toys and let others like Clarence work on real meaningful projects.
You look like you've lost grip on reality with your transformer crackpottery and misdirections about the captor.
Don't get so upset when others ask you for data slowpoke.
Just for the record: Clarence may or may not have something meaningful, but he never showed it.
I strongly suggest that you learn some elementary electronics, as you don't have a good grip on the subject.
EVERYTHING you see and use in this world was designed and manufactured by people who understand what they are doing; not ONE product exists that uses longitudinal waves, quantum fields, Bedini/Lindemann principles or other esoteric ideas.
Quote from: memoryman on April 10, 2015, 01:13:34 PM
Just for the record: Clarence may or may not have something meaningful, but he never showed it.
I strongly suggest that you learn some elementary electronics, as you don't have a good grip on the subject.
EVERYTHING you see and use in this world was designed and manufactured by people who understand what they are doing; not ONE product exists that uses longitudinal waves, quantum fields, Bedini/Lindemann principles or other esoteric ideas.
I'm assuming you know elementary electronics. If you can, name me electronics reference that predicts the values of this setup. I don't have to tell you it's a simple device.
Quote from: memoryman on April 10, 2015, 11:06:08 AM
void, you are using the terms 'energy' and 'power' as though they are the same: they are not.
Hi memoryman. I fully understand the difference between energy and power.
Although my wording may not have been the best, I think what I said was clear enough. :)
All the best...
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 10, 2015, 01:28:54 PM
I'm assuming you know elementary electronics. If you can, name me electronics reference that predicts the values of this setup. I don't have to tell you it's a simple device.
Please explain how Clarence's 'simple' device works in your own words. I am not asking for one or two sentences. If you claim that it's all so obvious and so simple, then please give us a detailed four or five paragraph explanation for how it allegedly actually works. No links or big quotes please, just explain how it works in your own words.
Zog Beater
yes please do, I will go after you...
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 10, 2015, 12:52:36 PM
Tinwizard, For all the noise you make you haven't realized Clarence has already shown a working build of the captor simple and straighforward. It's your colossal ignorance that is preventing you from anything of substance. Keep tinkering with your tinker toys and let others like Clarence work on real meaningful projects.
You look like you've lost grip on reality with your transformer crackpottery and misdirections about the captor.
Don't get so upset when others ask you for data slowpoke.
Junior
Clarence showed nothing at all,and you will once again not be able to deliver on your crackpot jargon. You talk palava,and nothing more,so it may be time to go change your diaper ;D
Show everyone here your offering's--oh that's right,you have nothing other than the power bill still coming monthly.
Are you trying to make up for some shortcomings else where with this dribble you keep posting?
Quote from: MileHigh on April 10, 2015, 01:37:39 PM
Please explain how Clarence's 'simple' device works in your own words. I am not asking for one or two sentences. If you claim that it's all so obvious and so simple, then please give us a detailed four or five paragraph explanation for how it allegedly actually works. No links or big quotes please, just explain how it works in your own words.
MH
Junior wouldnt be able to explain how the zipper on his handbag work's,or what is in his lipstick that makes the color so bright. How do you expect him to put forth any sort of working principle of the captor that brings forth free energy?.
I presented a breakdown of the schematic many pages ago,but most failed to see what Clarence actually had-even though it couldnt be more clear. Here i sepperated the !captor usless loop transformer from the rest of the series circuit. They are unable to understand that the ground rod's are acting as nothing more than resistors in the neutral/ground line. Clarence is supprised that the more ground rod's he add,the more power he can deliver to his load-->when all he is doing is reducing the resistance in the series circuit.
Quote from: Void on April 10, 2015, 06:42:10 AM
Hi Pirate88179. The term over unity just implies that the power being delivered to the load is greater than the
power being supplied by the system's power source. It in no way at all implies that the excess energy is
coming from nowhere. If there is excess energy in a system beyond what the power source is supplying, then
that energy most certainly would have to be coming from somewhere. That would definitely still be over unity however.
It doesn't matter where the excess energy is coming from. As long as the average output power divided
by the average input power is greater than 1 (1 = unity), then that would most definitely be over unity. It
has nothing whatsoever to do with where that excess energy might be coming from. :)
All the best...
This is not correct at all in my opinion. If what you are saying were true, then all solar cells would be overunity...same with wind turbines and water wheels and AV plugs, etc. I have never, ever heard anyone seriously consider any of them overunity.
Since we agree that "the energy must be coming from somewhere", then we must also agree that overunity is not possible. You just made my argument for me.
Take a solar cell connected to an led. Show it to someone who knows nothing about solar cells...he can take all the measurements he wants and see that I am not inputting any energy into the circuit, yet the led is lit. He can test the circuit using all the latest equipment and it will show O.U. according to your definition. Yet, the energy is coming from somewhere...the sun.
So, take that simple example a step into the future. I design a really advanced circuit that appears to run itself. No one has ever seen anything like this. It works...period. Then, I become famous and all the scientists in the world begin researching how my circuit might work. A research lab figures it out and announces a new form of energy, heretofore unknown, coming from an undiscovered particle. (They name it after me, of course) So, now they all know where the energy is coming from....do you still think that would be considered an O.U. circuit?
Of course not. It would now be in the same classification as the solar cell.
See my point?
O.U. is, and always will be, impossible.
Free energy is possible, in many forms both known, and as yet, unknown.
Bill
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 10, 2015, 11:16:37 AM
Heh.. I used to run the test cells at a major overhaul facility. You know you're alive all right, when you are adjusting the fuel injection pump on a 6-cylinder Continental on the test stand, running a six-foot propeller at 2300 RPM inches away from your head and hands....
I had to learn how to hand prop a 1946 Aeronca Champ I was learning to fly in. Talking about an accident waiting to happen. Really dangerous when standing in slippery mud on a rainy day at an old "grass" airfield. Thankfully, I graduated to C-150's pretty fast and still had both arms and legs.
Bill
Brad:
Nice diagram and your assessment is pretty much in line with what I said a few days ago. About the resistance between the two different earth grounds, what you stated could very well make sense. If you wanted to actually measure the resistance, I would not use a multimeter ohm meter to do this, it just doesn't feel right to me for this measurement. It may indeed work but I would not be comfortable doing it.
The difference in resistance when you add more grounding rods is an interesting question indeed. To make that measurement I would do something like take a 12-volt battery and add a series resistor and then complete the circuit back to the battery through the two ground points. A 120-ohm resistor would give you about 100 milliamps through the circuit if you assume the resistance between the two grounding points would be quite low. Then just measure the voltage drop across the two grounding points, crunch the numbers, and come up the measurement of the resistance between the two earth ground points.
In skimming through Clarence's posts and the parts of the thread I read, I would not be surprised at all if the resistance measurement between the two grounds and it's potential effect on any voltage measurement elsewhere in the circuit never came up in the discussion. The participants in the thread were just gobbling up the grandiose statements like jellybeans.
Likewise, if two months ago you said to Clarence , "Please tell us the change in resistance between the two grounds as you add more posts, but please don't use the multimeter because it was not really designed for this," I think that would have stumped him.
Still waiting for Mr. Bringdown to share his wisdom with us and explain how the circuit works.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on April 10, 2015, 11:40:55 PM
Likewise, if two months ago you said to Clarence , "Please tell us the change in resistance between the two grounds as you add more posts, but please don't use the multimeter because it was not really designed for this," I think that would have stumped him.
Still waiting for Mr. Bringdown to share his wisdom with us and explain how the circuit works.
MileHigh
If someone dared to actually ask that question, he/she would have been labeled a paid shill/troll and Clarence would have left 2 months ago. You just can't demand (ie: ask) an answer to a question like this MH, you should know this by now. You just have to accept what is shown as fact and forget about the real world and physics. I am just happy that I can add 30 more ground rods to my house and get free energy from the power company.
Bill
Quote from: a.king21 on April 09, 2015, 01:41:26 PM
What interests me about the Clarence experiment is the possibility of creating Telluric currents.
Ionic flow underground is a much under researched area.
The forerunners like Stubblefield and their technology has been lost in the mists of time.
I wonder where you get your information sometimes. Telluric currents are just Lenz's law applied on a global scale with the power source coming from changes in space weather. Just like the Schumann resonance is absolutely useless in terms of designing a free energy system, telluric currents are also pretty much useless also.
Quote from: Clarence on April 03, 2015, 11:10:29 PM
Quote from: tinman on April 04, 2015, 03:35:59 AM
I have removed the captor loop transformer from the circuit,so as you can see a little more clearly what you have. As you can see,the ground rods are nothing more than a resistor on the neutral side. The more ground rods you add,the more you decrease the resistance-the more power avaliable to complete the loop.
WHAT A SAD SAD JOKE!!!!
Clarence
You did good Clarence. The ground is not a resistance as it's made out to be by people who have little grasp on reality. The earth as resonant cavity with is well know to people who actually do work on this. Tesla demonstrated this in his lectures all over the planet and was using it in his transmission of electricity through the earth.
This and your work with the charging system with the Captor is absolutely fantastic.
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 11, 2015, 12:04:11 AM
You did good Clarence. The ground is not a resistance as it's made out to be by people who have little grasp on reality. The earth as resonant cavity with is well know to people who actually do work on this. Tesla demonstrated this in his lectures all over the planet and was using it in his transmission of electricity through the earth.
First chance to bring up the Schumann resonance and away we go!
I swear to God, the Schumann resonance is the most misunderstood dirty mirror in space.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 11, 2015, 12:19:24 AM
First chance to bring up the Schumann resonance and away we go!
I swear to God, the Schumann resonance is the most misunderstood dirty mirror in space.
Clarence has shown it works. It will not be necessary to prove it.
Quote from: ramset on April 10, 2015, 02:13:16 PM
Zog Beater
yes please do, I will go after you...
Ramset, What's that ?
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 11, 2015, 12:33:22 AM
Ramset, What's that ?
Are you deaf? Or, I suppose I should ask...can you read?
Bill
PS How has Clarence "shown" that it works without "proving' it? This makes no sense at all.
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 11, 2015, 12:26:09 AM
Clarence has shown it works. It will not be necessary to prove it.
Are you going to explain to us how Clarence's circuit works? I am not sure if in the above quote you are answering this question or not.
If you are answering my question with "it will not be necessary to prove it," then does that mean you are not going to explain to us how this 'simple' circuit allegedly works? I would really like to hear what you have to say in your own words, and I bet you that others are interested also.
QuoteClarence has shown it works.
Bringdown, this is
not a place for brainwashing, no matter what side of the debate you are on.
Clarence has shown nothing, period, and you make yourself look very unwise in your attempts to "force" your brainwashing on myself and others.
Just be real, and please explain to us how Clarence's circuit works. If you refuse, then my assumption will be that you are chickening out because presumably you cannot compose three or four paragraphs about electronics and energy and have it look credible simply because you can't.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 11, 2015, 01:09:49 AM
Are you deaf? Or, I suppose I should ask...can you read?
Bill
PS How has Clarence "shown" that it works without "proving' it? This makes no sense at all.
Hello Bill and Ramset,
You sounds like it's the first time you have heard of this. Clarence has provided the details of the setup if you need it and shown it to people with pictures. As have others. It was not Clarence's invention after all.
Ramset, What was that again ?
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 11, 2015, 01:26:51 AM
Ramset, What was that again ?
QuoteClarence has provided the details of the setup if you need it and shown it to people with pictures
So now pictures = proof of a working device lol.
The palava runs deep within you junior.
When do we get to see the proof you keep saying was shown?
And can you answer MH question?-->not a hope in hell.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 10, 2015, 01:37:39 PM
Please explain how Clarence's 'simple' device works in your own words. I am not asking for one or two sentences. If you claim that it's all so obvious and so simple, then please give us a detailed four or five paragraph explanation for how it allegedly actually works. No links or big quotes please, just explain how it works in your own words.
Here's a simpler device for you to try and build. It's very common around the world and makes free energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw
Well I can confirm that using a mutimeter on Ohms setting is not an accurate way to measure the resistance between two ground rods or arrays. And I'm fairly sure I know why because I've tried it and the reason became obvious to me very quickly. :)
I'll leave it at that. If someone asks I'll explain what I think and we can then see if the trained guys agree with me. I would prefer either bringdown or Clarence to say why though.
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Quote from: tinman on April 11, 2015, 01:31:39 AM
So now pictures = proof of a working device lol.
The palava runs deep within you junior.
When do we get to see the proof you keep saying was shown?
And can you answer MH question?-->not a hope in hell.
Did he invent it himself Mr.Tintin-oh-so-proving-with-data ? He went with what was available to him from the archives.
He can't provide you with anything here on electronic format that will prove it. That doesn't mean everything mentioned here which is well understood to practitioners needs proof.
Did you get your mistake with the conception of the earth-ground as resistance ?
Bringdownthezog, you remind me of a person that used to post at Energetic forum in the Don Smith devices too good to be true thread. With your plucking random schematics off the web and claiming they are Free Energy devices. Others will know the "Handle" I'm talking about.
Here is the code of conduct most of adhere to. You make the claim you provide the proof.
The schematic is in Russian or something so you'll need to translate that as this is an English speaking forum.
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Quote from: Farmhand on April 11, 2015, 01:41:33 AM
Well I can confirm that using a mutimeter on Ohms setting is not an accurate way to measure the resistance between two ground rods or arrays. And I'm fairly sure I know why because I've tried it and the reason became obvious to me very quickly. :)
I'll leave it at that. If someone asks I'll explain what I think and we can then see if the trained guys agree with me. I would prefer either bringdown or Clarence to say why though.
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No-you cant just use a DMM to measure resistance between two ground rod's,as the earth between the two ground rods will also have capacitance-much the same as a HHO cell. Your two ground rods act like the plates in a capacitor,and the earth as the dielectric.
http://cgiss.boisestate.edu/~billc/dielec.html.
You can how ever use a DMM if done correct. You will need 2 DMM's,a stable voltage source of known value,and a know value resistor. 1 DMM measures voltage across the known resistor,and the other DMM measures current from known voltage source to ground rod A. Then using ohms law,you can now calculate the resistance through ground rod A and B,as you have a known voltage source for the circuit,a known current flowing through the circuit,and a known voltage value across your known value resistor.
Quote from: tinman on April 11, 2015, 02:01:20 AM
No-you cant just use a DMM to measure resistance between two ground rod's,as the earth between the two ground rods will also have capacitance-much the same as a HHO cell. Your two ground rods act like the plates in a capacitor,and the earth as the dielectric.
http://cgiss.boisestate.edu/~billc/dielec.html (http://cgiss.boisestate.edu/~billc/dielec.html).
You can how ever use a DMM if done correct. You will need 2 DMM's,a stable voltage source of known value,and a know value resistor. 1 DMM measures voltage across the known resistor,and the other DMM measures current from known voltage source to ground rod A. Then using ohms law,you can now calculate the resistance through ground rod A and B,as you have a known voltage source for the circuit,a known current flowing through the circuit,and a known voltage value across your known value resistor.
Excellent! Someone should tell Clarence this. Of course, maybe you just did.
Bill
Quote from: MileHigh on April 11, 2015, 12:01:22 AM
I wonder where you get your information sometimes. Telluric currents are just Lenz's law applied on a global scale with the power source coming from changes in space weather. Just like the Schumann resonance is absolutely useless in terms of designing a free energy system, telluric currents are also pretty much useless also.
I get my information by analysing 19th century patents.
I also replicate some parts of them.
19th century patents required a working model. Where no model was provided this is clearly stated in the patents.
One little known fact is that you can stimulate the ground and create an ionic flow with it's own magnetic field. The term telluric currents is probably not the correct one in this case, but we do not have the vocabulary today.
It would have been nice if you had let Clarence carry on without upsetting the guy.
The fact that he had 0.1 volts between his earth rods was good scientific information to me, because it confirmed a measurement I had recently made between my two earth rods.
You killed scientific investigation.
Congratulations. Job well done.
We don't need babysitters.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 11, 2015, 03:04:02 AM
The fact that he had 0.1 volt between his earth rods was good scientific information to me, because it confirmed a measurement I had recently made between my two earth rods.
I can get 2 volts between my 2 earth rods and you can see this in my many videos where I light a floro tube, 400 leds, and run a motor.
Quote
You killed scientific investigation.
Congratulations. Job well done.
Total BS on your part and you know it.
Bill
Quote from: Farmhand on April 11, 2015, 01:55:14 AM
Bringdownthezog, you remind me of a person that used to post at Energetic forum in the Don Smith devices too good to be true thread. With your plucking random schematics off the web and claiming they are Free Energy devices. Others will know the "Handle" I'm talking about.
Here is the code of conduct most of adhere to. You make the claim you provide the proof.
The schematic is in Russian or something so you'll need to translate that as this is an English speaking forum.
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Farmhand,
You remind me of the drama queen Farah Day who used to demand proofs from everyone and getting quite upset with most everyone every day. Maybe she was on meds.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 11, 2015, 03:16:51 AM
I can get 2 volts between my 2 earth rods and you can see this in my many videos where I light a floro tube, 400 leds, and run a motor.
Total BS on your part and you know it.
Bill
Clarence was reporting his findings. Now he is not.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 11, 2015, 03:20:11 AM
Clarence was reporting his findings. Now he is not.
Maybe because he was asked for data he could not provide?
Did you consider this?
If you really had "something" would you let a few questions stand in the way of your getting this info to the world?
Well, neither would I.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 11, 2015, 03:24:40 AM
Maybe because he was asked for data he could not provide?
Did you consider this?
If you really had "something" would you let a few questions stand in the way of your getting this info to the world?
Well, neither would I.
Bill
We were getting on fine till the disruptive element came in.
Go back and read the posts.
I wouldn't tell some people on this thread If I was getting a billion kilowatts free.
So I understand how Clarence feels.
People have feelings, even if they are hiding behind an internet name.
So Clarence, if you are reading this, if you could pm me, I'm interested in your findings.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 11, 2015, 03:37:04 AM
I wouldn't tell some people on this thread If I was getting a billion kilowatts free.
Every hour each square meter of the upper atmosphere receives 1.367kWh of solar Energy. There is around 120 trillion square meters of atmosphere above us. 120 trillion x 1.367kWh per hour :D
Your billion kW's is looking a bit under powered. ;)
@a.king21, I agree I cannot understand these idiots they have no Idea how upsetting this can be. I rarely post for this reason. Remember the donut when people were slicing and welding parts together and having difficulty finding parts, the unit next to me makes these parts and spin up the two halves all day long. Within an hour I had the parts to wind and construct a donut , when I posted the fact all hell let loose and I was called a liar, trolls said it would take days to order, let alone slicing one in half. (mine were made in 2 parts already). It is difficult to know what to do about it, I am playing with clarence circuit and I am getting promising results I did however forget to turn off unit in correct order and back fed my inverter which just went up in flames . Just took delivery of 5k sinewave new one so will start again this weekend. PS. I am not using mainspower at all to experiment
Regards
Keith
Quote from: captainkt on April 11, 2015, 04:56:59 AM
@a.king21, I agree I cannot understand these idiots they have no Idea how upsetting this can be. I rarely post for this reason. Remember the donut when people were slicing and welding parts together and having difficulty finding parts, the unit next to me makes these parts and spin up the two halves all day long. Within an hour I had the parts to wind and construct a donut , when I posted the fact all hell let loose and I was called a liar, trolls said it would take days to order, let alone slicing one in half. (mine were made in 2 parts already). It is difficult to know what to do about it, I am playing with clarence circuit and I am getting promising results I did however forget to turn off unit in correct order and back fed my inverter which just went up in flames . Just took delivery of 5k sinewave new one so will start again this weekend. PS. I am not using mainspower at all to experiment
Regards
Keith
Ah ha, another heater burns up. Tinman is correct.
Bill
Usually two separated grounds will have a potential difference between them, so If you try to measure the resistance between the two rods in that case, the reading will be different depending on which way the meter is connected. Therefore other ways need to be used. The way Tinman describes sounds like it would work to me.
I've been meaning for a while to determine the resistance between two ground rods I have, one is a zinc coated steel picket 6 feet deep and the other is a copper jacketed ground stake "regulation house ground type". They are about 8 meters apart. I haven't measured the voltage between them or scoped anything as yet.
Could be interesting to look at depending on what is running and somehow connected to ground elsewhere. I'm actually expecting a fairly high resistance because the ground is rocky (granite), but it is moist in the area so I might be lucky.
I could not dig a hole here with the hand held digger Clarence appeared to be using. I have to dig down about 2 to 3 feet to get through the rocks. But down deep is mostly soil. Seems like. Even with the tractor Auger I had to try a second place to avoid a huge rock, I can drill through the soft granite but the hard granite can be very hard and it splits then tries to push the pieces apart, we levelled a section for the house yard and removed some Rocks over 1 meter in diameter. But you get that on a ridge on a mountain top I guess.
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Quote from: Farmhand on April 11, 2015, 05:11:53 AM
Usually two separated grounds will have a potential difference between them, so If you try to measure the resistance between the two rods in that case, the reading will be different depending on which way the meter is connected. Therefore other ways need to be used. The way Tinman describes sounds like it would work to me.
I've been meaning for a while to determine the resistance between two ground rods I have, one is a zinc coated steel picket 6 feet deep and the other is a copper jacketed ground stake "regulation house ground type". They are about 8 meters apart. I haven't measured the voltage between them or scoped anything as yet.
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1 zink and one copper-->you have a galvanic cell. The wetter your soil between the two,the more current you will get across a load between the two stakes. The voltage should be around 1.2 volt's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_cell
Yeah sure is, I've made some small ones with various materials and results. But truth is the ground rods will also pick up noise from the ground I should be able to see the signal from the electric fence pulsing clearly ect. I have other experiments in mind that 1.2 volts won't make much difference to. :)
Depends how much actual resistance is between the rods if too much it won't be much good.
I'll stay off this thread now.
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Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 11, 2015, 05:11:34 AM
Ah ha, another heater burns up. Tinman is correct.
Bill
It's a good transformer that captor loop transformer :D. Well as long as these guys keep having fun burning up there equipment,then all is well and good. ::)
So far we have had two replications.
1st-experimentor here posting questions as to why his transformer wires keep melting.
2nd-experimentor here saying it works a treat,but i fried my inverter,so need to spend a few hundred on a new one.
$10.00 to the first person to take a picture of the whole unit on fire-->it's coming-->if they dont electrocute them self first.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 11, 2015, 03:24:40 AM
Maybe because he was asked for data he could not provide?
Did you consider this?
If you really had "something" would you let a few questions stand in the way of your getting this info to the world?
Well, neither would I.
Bill
Some people want to gain from the work of others for free, and on top make this kind of comment.
For it, this is the harsh reality.
How Clarence has nothing to prove, simply stop talking, and all people pay , because by the usual (Sharks).
Stink the "blood" the topic was over with activity. :)
But now rest! the hunt is over.
In a moment we will have little willingness to share whatever.
I perfectly understand the reason for your concern for these derogatory comments. Want to test your way?
Do it at home, because in your house send you!
Is beginning to be recurring this type of destructive interventions in various topics.
Who is not interested in the subject try to be moderate, for me, dispense the willingness to prove that the circuit does not work or some other reason.
Do not worry for me or other people invest time and money.
Now that these gentlemen have already satisfied the ego, I would kindly ask you to leave the topic running normally. is not what the Overunity forum exists?
To exchange information on tests done by the more secular person?
Yes that is the purpose.
Thanks great masters
Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 11, 2015, 01:37:29 AM
Here's a simpler device for you to try and build. It's very common around the world and makes free energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw)
Well there you go Bringdown. Perhaps three or four times you addressed me in this authoritative and condescending way saying things like, "You simply don't understand this circuit, you are incapable of understanding how it works, etc." The implication being that you understand the circuit and you can explain how it works. Then when I explicitly ask you to explain the circuit in your own words and I explicitly ask you to not link to anything as part of your explanation.... And you link to a completely different circuit with a video clip that is in Russian, and you are pretty damn sure that I don't speak any Russian. So much for your "explanation." The closed captions for the clip are in Russian.
So, now we know the truth. You are just a fan boy and a "pretend enforcer" here and you have no clue how this circuit allegedly works and you are incapable of explaining anything about how it works. You haven't made a single posting with any technical merit since I have been reading this thread.
I have advice for you: Stop faking it. If you always post with a fake persona pretending to be someone that you are not, that causes extra mental exertion. Eventually you become mentally exhausted.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on April 11, 2015, 10:00:53 AM
Well there you go Bringdown. Perhaps three or four times you addressed me in this authoritative and condescending way saying things like, "You simply don't understand this circuit, you are incapable of understanding how it works, etc." The implication being that you understand the circuit and you can explain how it works. Then when I explicitly ask you to explain the circuit in your own words and I explicitly ask you to not link to anything as part of your explanation.... And you link to a completely different circuit with a video clip that is in Russian, and you are pretty damn sure that I don't speak any Russian. So much for your "explanation." The closed captions for the clip are in Russian.
So, now we know the truth. You are just a fan boy and a "pretend enforcer" here and you have no clue how this circuit allegedly works and you are incapable of explaining anything about how it works. You haven't made a single posting with any technical merit since I have been reading this thread.
I have advice for you: Stop faking it. If you always post with a fake persona pretending to be someone that you are not, that causes extra mental exertion. Eventually you become mentally exhausted.
MileHigh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw
Ah yes-->remember all those claims of free energy on that device-->the GEGENE.
Junior wouldnt know about all the testing we did on this one MH,he was probably still in nappies then. I remember spending a fair bit of money on that one-the induction cooker cost near 200 bucks alone. Lol-another free energy device that was missing the free energy.
@zog
Your way behind junior,and need to catch up a little. You just posted a link to a video that shows an induction cooktop being used as a transformer-->way to go :P We've been there,done that years ago. The only good thing that became of it is my wife love's it for cooking-->oh wait,thats what there for :D
Quote from: a.king21 on April 11, 2015, 03:04:02 AM
It would have been nice if you had let Clarence carry on without upsetting the guy.
The fact that he had 0.1 volts between his earth rods was good scientific information to me, because it confirmed a measurement I had recently made between my two earth rods.
You killed scientific investigation.
Congratulations. Job well done.
We don't need babysitters.
If you want to do a scientific investigation then be scientific about it. You both measured 0.1 volts, hence it is "confirmation." Confirmation of what? That's the scientific part - "what?"
Quote from: MileHigh on April 11, 2015, 10:29:45 AM
If you want to do a scientific investigation then be scientific about it. You both measured 0.1 volts, hence it is "confirmation." Confirmation of what? That's the scientific part - "what?"
I can get .6 volts just holding a DMM's probes in each hand.
MH
I think im going to throw the GEGENE back together now i have my new scope,and have a good look at the wave form's from the system-->just for laugh's
Quote from: a.king21 on April 11, 2015, 03:37:04 AM
We were getting on fine till the disruptive element came in.
Go back and read the posts.
I wouldn't tell some people on this thread If I was getting a billion kilowatts free.
So I understand how Clarence feels.
People have feelings, even if they are hiding behind an internet name.
So Clarence, if you are reading this, if you could pm me, I'm interested in your findings.
Here is a recent typical comment from Clarence:
QuoteBTW: the SECRET information everyone has been wanting has been right in front of your noses for months!
Hmmmmmm? wonder where that could be?
That's not scientific, that's a person getting off on being a tease and being the center of attention.
If you were scientific you would be talking about power measurements and run times and posting simple charts and tables where you track different variables over time, etc, etc. The discussion was mainly a "pseudo technical" discussion although you A.king21 mistakenly believe that you were having a technical discussion. However, if you examine the discussion with more objectivity you see it for what it really was.
And the key phrase above is "run time." Think of a typical newbie Bedini motor builder. They get all excited because they charged a dead battery with their motor. They believe that it is being done with "radiant energy."
What's the "hidden secret" that all Bedini motor builders share? The "secret" is that every now and then, perhaps even under cover of night, they have to go and charge their main battery by plugging it into a battery charger that is connected to mains power. They might recharge a target battery with their motor and put 50,000 Joules of energy into it. But they don't want to think about the fact that it took 150,000 Joules of energy from their main battery to do it - a huge
net loss in energy.
In this thread I think that occasionally people have mentioned the dreaded term "run time" with respect to the circuit that Clarence built. So that's the "dirty secret" that it looks to me like you all want to avoid discussing.
The "magic" circuit that Clarence built will run a battery down to zero every single time you test it. It's just a question of how long it takes. The circuit has an inescapable run time associated with it - the soothsayer of battery death is always there. Clarence has to sneak into his lab at night and recharge the main battery in his "self-looping with excess energy" circuit.
That's what I think some of you are in denial of. You can do clamp meter readings and make voltage measurements until you are blue in the face - but the amount of energy in the battery continues to go down, down, down and there is nothing that you can do about it.
There is no energy "coming up from the ground" and real measurements will prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. However, the caveat is that you have to actually know what you are doing.
MileHigh
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 10, 2015, 10:10:44 PM
This is not correct at all in my opinion. If what you are saying were true, then all solar cells would be overunity...same with wind turbines and water wheels and AV plugs, etc. I have never, ever heard anyone seriously consider any of them overunity.
Since we agree that "the energy must be coming from somewhere", then we must also agree that overunity is not possible. You just made my argument for me.
Hi Pirate88179. I see how you are thinking. You are thinking to yourself that I must be
someone who is 'promoting the idea of over unity', therefore you must go on the attack
regardless of whether you have any idea what you are talking about or not. You can relax.
In actuality all I did was correct your very obvious misconceptions about what the term
'over unity' represents.
It is obvious from your comments that you have no understanding at all about what you
are talking about. Again, the term 'over unity' just indicates a condition where a circuit/device would be delivering
more average power to its load than the average input power from its power source. That is, greater than
100% efficiency, to say it another way. There is nothing implied in this concept of 'over unity' about how
that could or could not be working. It is only indicating a condition where the power ratio of the average
power output to the average power input would be greater than 1. Period. Nothing further is implied beyond that. ;)
Whether someone believes that such a thing is possible or not is neither here nor there to the concept itself. I won't
harp on this, because what I am explaining is really very basic, and should be intuitively obvious to even the most
casual observer. ;)
All the best...
Void:
I hate these stupid debates about what over unity is.
For starters, let's completely remove all discussions about renewable energy sources like solar, wind, etc.
Then, if a device is putting out more power than it is drawing from its power supply, and there is no internal energy store in the device, then the device would be an over unity device.
That implies that the device is getting power from "some unknown place that we can't explain" or the device is "magically manufacturing power by itself."
That's an over unity device, and there is no reason to get bogged down in semantics as if you were having a philosophical discussion about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Power in 10 watts ---> [black box] ----> power out 20 watts.
That's it, plain and simple.
Going back to this Russian induction device.
He claims the 1 kw induction heater is doing it's stuff normally but he is getting an extra
6 kw out of it.
I don't know if this is just messing with the power factor, messing up his meters or is a genuine gain.
They seem certain that they are putting 1 kw in plus boiling water at 1 kw and getting a further 6 kw out.
(Those famous 1 kw Soviet era light bulbs again)
I don't trust meters in this situation one bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw
a.king21
Did you learned Russian language ? :o
There's nothing philosophical about it MileHigh, it's pure logic. 10 Watts input..... Black box..... 20 watts output is only OU if the extra 10 Watts remains from an unknown source and if we already know energy can not be created then we know the extra energy is coming from somewhere so it doesn't really matter where it's coming from because once the extra energy source if found the device was never OU at all ever. It can't be OU for a while just until the source of the extra energy is discovered. That's not how it works nor is it logical.
What is it is an amount of so far unexplained extra energy. No more no less.
Either that or any device with more out than in in OU. Or there is no such thing as OU.
OU must either equal anything with more out than in, or OU must equal the creation of energy. I don't buy into either definition because I think we either have- over C.O.P. = 1.0, or C.O.P. = 1.0 or C.O.P. = less than 1.0. Now OU can equal over C.O.P. = 1.0 if that is the definition accepted by a group such as at OUR.com. (Power and Creed), and I'm ok with that.
The rules get agreed on, you nor anyone else gets to determine them for everyone. But there needs to be an agreement first and a document to reference. Which is why OUR.com is ahead of the bunch.
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It's not OK to say in 12 months time, Oh that device there was OU for four months until we discovered where the extra energy was coming from but now it's under unity. That just simply isn't right.
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P.S. Depending on the source of the anomalous energy it might be considered "free" energy, which can be categorized in several ways. eg. free for me, but someone else pays (which I don't consider free energy) or free from all monetary cost except the equipment to utilize it, like solar energy is free to collect we don't need to pay for the energy only the equipment.
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I realize all that doesn't sit well with the name of the site, but as long as we don't consider anything over C.O.P. =1 as Over Unity and we accept that energy cannot be created then there is no such thing as energy Over Unity.
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Quote from: Farmhand on April 11, 2015, 04:11:50 PM
There's nothing philosophical about it MileHigh, it's pure logic. 10 Watts input..... Black box..... 20 watts output is only OU if the extra 10 Watts remains from an unknown source and if we already know energy can not be created then we know the extra energy is coming from somewhere so it doesn't really matter where it's coming from because once the extra energy source if found the device was never OU at all ever. It can't be OU for a while just until the source of the extra energy is discovered. That's not how it works nor is it logical.
What is is is an amount of so far unexplained extra energy.
Either that or any device with more out than in in OU. Or there is no such thing as OU.
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That is exactly the point I had been trying to make in 2 of my above posts. That is why I mentioned the solar cell because, once the "unknown" energy source is "known", then the O.U. device is no longer O.U. and is no different than a solar cell. Ergo, O.U. is not possible.
For some reason, Void can not understand this very simple and logical fact. So, I will give up on trying to educate him.
Thanks for putting it more succinctly than I did Farmhand.
Bill
Quote from: forest on April 11, 2015, 04:00:55 PM
a.king21
Did you learned Russian language ? :o
How else could I talk with Kapanadze? It was when he spoke Georgian with my interpreter that I may as well
have been in China.
I can understand a lot of it.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 11, 2015, 03:31:22 PM
They seem certain that they are putting 1 kw in plus boiling water at 1 kw and getting a further 6 kw out.
(Those famous 1 kw Soviet era light bulbs again)
It's very difficult to judge light power in a video. However, you can at least make an estimation. I also have some experience with 1 kW incandescent light bulbs from doing the lighting in our auditorium in high school. 1 kW incandescent light bulbs are also quite large.
In that clip, the bank of light bulbs looks to me like they are 100 to 150 watt light bulbs. Only four or five are powered up.
Now, if there were six 1 KW incandescent light bulbs in that clip, the light would be blindingly bright and it would be ridiculously hot. Think of being in front of two open electric oven doors with all four heating elements on, the two bake elements and the two broil elements. It would be a time where you "can't stand the heat in the kitchen" for sure.
MileHigh
Those interested in following this discussion with Clarence can be updated over here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-351.html?posted=1#post273521
Please feel free to visit, however please be patient and courteous with respect to questions
there are some very serious replications in progress and more to come.
Clarence is indeed a very Nice and sincere man and is sharing all the info he possibly can.
your patience in this matter is greatly appreciated.
to be clear ALL will be answered in the next few weeks.
Chet K
Chet:
You are obviously a very nice man with a good heart. Unfortunately you can become very misguided at times when you endorse something that is clearly the wrong thing to endorse. Perhaps "endorse" is not the right term, perhaps "facilitate and support" would be better.
There is a conundrum for you to contemplate: Often you heap praise and respect on people like MarkE, Poynt99, TK, Picowatt, Gyula, and others, sometimes even me. You respect education and knowledge and experience a lot, and you often defer to the opinions of "the experts." But then something comes along.... It looks like an obvious fake. It's so fake sometimes that even an astute kid in high school would recognize it for what it really is. Then, if you back the obvious fake you will refuse to listen to MarkE and others. You just sick your head in the sand and you simply won't listen. Hey, that's your right, but it really can be baffling at times. GDS Technologies comes to mind right away. The guy is a glorified "Photoshop criminal" but I am assuming that you are waiting to see what happens in September. There is more than enough material out there to qualify GDS as a bunch of criminals. Clarence has nothing in common with GDS on the criminality side, but what he does share in common with GDS is that there is more than enough material out there to qualify this proposition that he has adopted as nonsense, a fake.
Choice quotes from Clarence from EF:
QuoteI have attached the HOW, WHY, AND METHOD information I spoke of. please remind the members that there in no need for experimentation with this unit. if they will just look at the latest photo I have attached and do just like what they see it will work without a hitch.
QuoteI would like for all members to know that this device will simply NOT work with out the needed ground rod set up. It just wont!
another thing to keep in mind is that this unit is not cheap to build. I would estimate that about 2000.00 (dollars) went into mine possibly more.
also the location that the member is in will determine how well the unit performs and how many ground rods he will need. that's also a lot of physical work to be done.
So it's going to work. It will cost you $2000. You are going to have to bury ground rods and based on your location and some unknown secret decoder ring magic, exactly how many ground rods you need to bury will be determined presumably by Clarence. Why not throw spaghetti at the wall?
I am smelling that the "location factor" will be Clarence's "get out of jail free" card. If it doesn't work then he can always say that the replicator was in the "wrong" location.
The replicators on EF and possibly here will at first be all excited with "good results" because they will not be factoring in how much energy can be stored in a fully charged car battery. However, eventually things will change. Ultimately no replicators will be successful in reproducing the claimed results from this piece of electronics quackery.
And that's when all of the so-called educated people with years and years of experience can say, "We told you so."
MileHigh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CASghTzNhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJVTHIyyM2E
Quote from: MileHigh on April 11, 2015, 10:42:53 PM
Chet:
MileHigh
QuoteYou are obviously a very nice man with a good heart.
Indeed he is,and has gone out of his way on many occasions to help other's.
QuoteUnfortunately you can become very misguided at times when you endorse something that is clearly the wrong thing to endorse. Perhaps "endorse" is not the right term, perhaps "facilitate and support" would be better.
I think it's more-->leave no stone unturned. Look into and follow up on every possibility that may help man kind.
QuoteThere is a conundrum for you to contemplate: Often you heap praise and respect on people like MarkE, Poynt99, TK, Picowatt, Gyula, and others, sometimes even me. You respect education and knowledge and experience a lot, and you often defer to the opinions of "the experts." But then something comes along.... It looks like an obvious fake. It's so fake sometimes that even an astute kid in high school would recognize it for what it really is. Then, if you back the obvious fake you will refuse to listen to MarkE and others.
Here i would say he is more like me. Listen to those that have the best chance at knowing what is going on,but always wait and see what the outcome is. We have seen this mistake many times in history. Many so called experts said heavier than air machines could never fly,when all they had to do was look into the sky and see heavier than air birds flying all over the place. Man could not travel at speeds in excess of 50MPH ,as he wouldnt be able to breath. Always listen,but let the results speak for them self. Unfortunately,Clarence refused to show result's,and this is when all the trouble started. The fact is,if you make a claim of OU-self running devices,then you have to be prepaired to back up those claims with accurate data.
QuoteYou just sick your head in the sand and you simply won't listen.
I dont think this is correct. It's more as i stated above-->listen ,but let the results speak for them self.-->All we need now is results ;D
QuoteHey, that's your right, but it really can be baffling at times. GDS Technologies comes to mind right away. The guy is a glorified "Photoshop criminal" but I am assuming that you are waiting to see what happens in September. There is more than enough material out there to qualify GDS as a bunch of criminals. Clarence has nothing in common with GDS on the criminality side, but what he does share in common with GDS is that there is more than enough material out there to qualify this proposition that he has adopted as nonsense, a fake.
From our point of view-yes,but from Chet's perspective-->man has been wrong many time's before,and it's just a matter of time before he is wrong again.
You have to ask your self MH,is a !so called! OU device going to make any sense to those that know modern day physics ?.
QuoteSo it's going to work. It will cost you $2000. You are going to have to bury ground rods and based on your location and some unknown secret decoder ring magic, exactly how many ground rods you need to bury will be determined presumably by Clarence. Why not throw spaghetti at the wall?
I am smelling that the "location factor" will be Clarence's "get out of jail free" card. If it doesn't work then he can always say that the replicator was in the "wrong" location.
This seems to be inline with all the other devices that have a specific location factor that is required for the device to opperate as shown.
QuoteThe replicators on EF and possibly here will at first be all excited with "good results" because they will not be factoring in how much energy can be stored in a fully charged car battery.
And this very thing i just presented in my last two day long experiment with a 12v battery that was in ver poor condition. 12 to 13 watts of output for 36 hours at a voltage between 7&8V on a 12v 12 AH battery that wouldnt even hold a charge of more than 12 volts due to being badly sulphated.
QuoteHowever, eventually things will change. Ultimately no replicators will be successful in reproducing the claimed results from this piece of electronics quackery.
And that's when all of the so-called educated people with years and years of experience can say, "We told you so."
So far that has been the case.
But the day will come when the educated will learn something new. ;)
MH
Just paying attention .
@ TinMan
sums it up nicely. [on another note yah shuddah Gone fishin Too... :-X
here is the link for the new dedicated thread [which I will most definitely be contributing to]
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details.html.
Chet K
MH
I know you think I'm silly
But when I sit and ponder that I live on a giant magnet with Lightning Bolts flying all around me and a sun pumping 1 KW per square meter onto the Mix ...
and then I read things live this
MH
Quote
For starters, you can't forget that almost all of our electrical power at one stage in its generation comes from brute force mechanical power. Just bloody brute force mechanical power, very unglamorous, like some giant ox turning a wheel.
end quote.
and I read that and I feel silly to think there is not a much much simpler way.
since the dawn of flight and power generation [in modern times]
Flight has gone from Kites and toes running along the beach ..to Pluto and beyond..
And Power generation [in the same time line] at 100 plus year old Niagra power plant ??
just open the door at Niagra and have a look ...Ox tied to wheels...
Yes I do feel quite silly
Man, this threat went Ape Shit and Clarance got nailed to a cross. Let's see what Bro Mikey and his motley crew can do with Clarance's plans over there. Those pole pigs could have another use after they give up with Gerard's delusions.
Quote from: ramset on April 12, 2015, 07:16:08 AM
here is the link for the new dedicated thread [which I will most definitely be contributing to]
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details.html.
Chet K
Aaron should have a book out in no time-->the secrets of the Captor Loop Transformer :P
Only $29.99
Sorry, but I'm in the middle of a big plant start up, with a lot of big medium voltage motors, vfd's, softstarters, plc and etc, and I don't have to much time to the forum.[/size]
As we guys know, I had my hands on Barbosa device. I tested it, I made measurements and I dissembled it as well. Probably I'm too DUMB to find how the device works, but something caught my the attention.
Why they installed a tc in the secondary to show high amps, other than lead people to get this high " amps" and multiply this value by the income voltage and say from there, that the device can "generate" high power?
I used a very good grounding system, close to a lake, several rods and very big cable. Also, through a friend, I drew some circuits ( PWM's and oscillators) that was sent to Nilson.
Ariovaldo
Tinman:
Great reply to my long posting and I pretty much agree with most of what you said.
This is off-topic, but I wanted to respond to this:
QuoteMany so called experts said heavier than air machines could never fly
In essence, this is
not true.
Everybody uses it to argue everything from magic energy from the ground, to super-luminal scalar waves, to magic resonating batteries, to Dini motors being over unity, the list is nearly endless.
However, it is not true. It's one of the great gaffes that is used to justify any speculative cockamamie wonder stories that you can read on the forums. All of those justifications for "believe my unfounded, no-evidence, crazy speculative theory" stories fall flat in a way because they are using a sample story that is
not true. It can get tiring to read it all the time!
When you have a free hour, I suggest that you research the subject and see what you find!
MileHigh
I looked at the "captor" and with the aid of some pictures of setups finally figured out what Clarence's strange incomplete simplified schematic really means.
Note to Clarence and others: You NEVER put some kind of a transformer in a schematic with adding the dots, i.e.; the "dot convention."
I would not be surprised if Clarence was blissfully unaware of this, all the more reason to shift from sycophant to critical thinker. Anybody at EF listening?
So I am going to throw this out there to interested parties on all of the forums. Can you explain what the captor does and explain it referencing the schematic and explain it using the language of electronics?
Now you guys, you are supposed to be "free energy researchers," correct? A researcher is supposed to look at things and discuss them amongst their peers and try to figure out how something works, even before they build it.
So how is the captor supposed to work, what is it supposed to do? In fact, we can split this into the following:
What is the claim for how the captor is supposed to work?
What is the claim for how it does this with respect to the circuit, and explain the claim using the language of electronics?
vs.
How do you think the captor actually works in your opinion?
How does the captor actually do what it is supposed to do, in your opinion, using the language of electronics?
This is especially directed at all the enthusiasts at the Energetic Forum.
Here is the background issue and it's very important: If you claim that you are a "free energy experimenter" or a "researcher" then that means you are supposed to think aloud about how things work, and debate the issues in the open with your peers. If you don't do this then you are faking it, and you are just a non-thinking replicator, a paint-by-numbers drone.
That's an important issue. With respect to this device, and specifically the "captor" are you a "creative artist with a fresh canvas to work on," or are you just a paint-by-numbers guy that just fills in the colours and the shapes like you are told without thinking?
So the challenge is out to the people on this thread that are interested in this alleged technology, you know who you are, and the stream of lurkers that will check this thread regularly from the other two main forums.
I challenge you to discuss the captor and explain how you think it works.
I will wait a few days to see if there is any discussion. I am honestly not optimistic. Typically this is where the "researchers" and the "builders" have nothing to say. I think that's sad, because in the end, it just means that many of you talk the talk but when the challenge is out there you reveal by your inactions that the truth is you are mostly paint-by-numbers replicators just hoping and praying that the device will work.
What is the deal on the captor?
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on April 12, 2015, 03:44:59 PM
Tinman:
Great reply to my long posting and I pretty much agree with most of what you said.
This is off-topic, but I wanted to respond to this:
In essence, this is not true.
Everybody uses it to argue everything from magic energy from the ground, to super-luminal scalar waves, to magic resonating batteries, to Dini motors being over unity, the list is nearly endless.
However, it is not true. It's one of the great gaffes that is used to justify any speculative cockamamie wonder stories that you can read on the forums. All of those justifications for "believe my unfounded, no-evidence, crazy speculative theory" stories fall flat in a way because they are using a sample story that is not true. It can get tiring to read it all the time!
When you have a free hour, I suggest that you research the subject and see what you find!
MileHigh
Very true. The US government was working on heavier than air flight prior to the Wright Brothers. I doubt that they would have worked on this project if the consensus was that it was impossible. Many others were working on this as well. Even Leonardo had designs for heavier than air flight way back when. The Wrights got there first, as we all know.
The other old tale is that the bumble bee can not fly according to modern aerodynamic theory. This, of course, is not true at all either. The flight of the bumble bee is easily explained by modern aerodynamic theory. I have no idea where these false ideas get started but, you are correct in that we see them time and time again...and they are accepted as "truth".
I wonder if the Wrights had failed, if back then folks would have claimed that Big Railroad suppressed them?
Bill
I read the OUR forum thread on this. Someone said that Clarence hasn't made any real measurements yet and he hasn't done any serious longer-time testing on the device.
If this is true, then what the hell is this statement from Clarence then?
QuoteI have attached the HOW, WHY, AND METHOD information I spoke of. please remind the members that there in no need for experimentation with this unit. if they will just look at the latest photo I have attached and do just like what they see it will work without a hitch.
We are back in La La Land, and I suppose that the enthusiasts will be in denial until the bitter end.
Why would you spend $2000 and dig up your back yard if no measurements have been made and no proof has been offered? Instead of that, why not buy old P4 computers for $40 and fix them up and donate them to underprivileged children in your local area? (Like I have done.)
Shaking my head....
Quote from: MileHigh on April 12, 2015, 06:22:50 PM
I read the OUR forum thread on this. Someone said that Clarence hasn't made any real measurements yet and he hasn't done any serious longer-time testing on the device.
If this is true, then what the hell is this statement from Clarence then?
We are back in La La Land, and I suppose that the enthusiasts will be in denial until the bitter end.
Why would you spend $2000 and dig up your back yard if no measurements have been made and no proof has been offered? Instead of that, why not buy old P4 computers for $40 and fix them up and donate them to underprivileged children in your local area? (Like I have done.)
Shaking my head....
MH:
Wait. Someone on EF actually asked (demanded) for measurements? Well, that will be the end of that. Clarence will most likely pull out of there as he did here. We can not have folks asking for proof or measurements. All that does is drive these inventors to other forums where this info is not asked for. Worse case, it might make the inventor burn all of his notes and give up thereby depriving the world of yet another free energy device.
This is really sad. I thought that EF banned those types of questions years ago.
What will Chet think about this?
Bill
Perhaps there are Inverse-MIB anti-measurement goon squads that patrol the forums that can track you down.
With respect to the EF, I don't know much about "magnetic maps" and they put one up for Australia. I haven't researched what they are for and what they mean but I have some sneaking suspicions. How do you use that map with respect to this project? What are you supposed to do with the data? How does that affect your grounding rod layout? What is the relationship between the ambient magnetic field and your setup?
Will there be a serious discussion about this issue? Or is it just a bunch of nonsensical and non-applicable fluff that doesn't even apply? That's for the participants on the EF thread to determine for themselves. In a related thought, there is nothing worse than BSing yourself.
Of course, the Earth's magnetic field is for all practical intents and purposes a very weak DC unchanging field. Anybody that knows anything about magnetic fields know that in the vast majority of cases an unchanging DC magnetic field has zero affect on anything, it may as well not even be there. It's one of the very first things you learn about magnetic fields.
So do you keep it real or do you just have a circle-jerk round of BSing?
Quote from: ariovaldo on April 12, 2015, 10:58:00 AM
Sorry, but I'm in the middle of a big plant start up, with a lot of big medium voltage motors, vfd's, softstarters, plc and etc, and I don't have to much time to the forum.[/size]
As we guys know, I had my hands on Barbosa device. I tested it, I made measurements and I dissembled it as well. Probably I'm too DUMB to find how the device works, but something caught my the attention.
Why they installed a tc in the secondary to show high amps, other than lead people to get this high " amps" and multiply this value by the income voltage and say from there, that the device can "generate" high power?
I used a very good grounding system, close to a lake, several rods and very big cable. Also, through a friend, I drew some circuits ( PWM's and oscillators) that was sent to Nilson.
Ariovaldo
Hi Ariovaldo. I agree with you that it was very odd that they had the current transformer reading
the shorted secondary current. It doesn't seem to make sense. It seems a very suspicious thing to do.
I can't imagine what reason they would want to monitor that, unless it was to make sure the secondary
current doesn't exceed some maximum value, but it seems to me they could have a fuse or breaker for that.
All the best...
Quote from: ariovaldo on April 12, 2015, 10:58:00 AM
Sorry, but I'm in the middle of a big plant start up, with a lot of big medium voltage motors, vfd's, softstarters, plc and etc, and I don't have to much time to the forum.[/size]
As we guys know, I had my hands on Barbosa device. I tested it, I made measurements and I dissembled it as well. Probably I'm too DUMB to find how the device works, but something caught my the attention.
Why they installed a tc in the secondary to show high amps, other than lead people to get this high " amps" and multiply this value by the income voltage and say from there, that the device can "generate" high power?
I used a very good grounding system, close to a lake, several rods and very big cable. Also, through a friend, I drew some circuits ( PWM's and oscillators) that was sent to Nilson.
Ariovaldo
Ariovaldo:
Thank you for the information. I understand that you are busy so I just have some quick questions. I read somewhere that you bought a non-working device? In that true or was it supposed to be working when you bought it?
What were your final results, more power out than in, or less power out than in?
MileHigh
From a member over at EF.
Quote: Hello Clarence. Thank you for all the info on your build setup. I see that you mentioned you have run your build for about 4 hours, and I guess you mean with the battery and inverter and battery charger in a loop, as shown in your schematic drawing? I think you said your build was around $2000 or so, so it would be helpful if you can provide some more details here about how your build is performing.
What is the longest you have run your build in self looping mode with the battery, and what specifically did you have connected as a load for those tests while it was self running, and what was the battery voltage at the end of the run before you switched everything off? As you no doubt know, you have to measure the battery voltage while everything is still running and the battery is still under load at the end of the test, before you switch anything off, because the battery voltage can start to climb back up once it is no longer under a load. I am sure I am probably not the only one who would like to hear some more details about how long you have run your build in self looping mode, and what kind of battery voltage is maintained throughout the test runs while the battery is under load. You must have no doubt run your build in self looping mode with the battery for much longer periods than just four hours to confirm that it can self run for a long length of time without the battery voltage starting to drop?
Clarence has answered every other question others have asked except this one-->interesting.
Quote from: tinman on April 12, 2015, 08:53:12 PM
From a member over at EF.
Quote: Hello Clarence. Thank you for all the info on your build setup. I see that you mentioned you have run your build for about 4 hours, and I guess you mean with the battery and inverter and battery charger in a loop, as shown in your schematic drawing? I think you said your build was around $2000 or so, so it would be helpful if you can provide some more details here about how your build is performing.
What is the longest you have run your build in self looping mode with the battery, and what specifically did you have connected as a load for those tests while it was self running, and what was the battery voltage at the end of the run before you switched everything off? As you no doubt know, you have to measure the battery voltage while everything is still running and the battery is still under load at the end of the test, before you switch anything off, because the battery voltage can start to climb back up once it is no longer under a load. I am sure I am probably not the only one who would like to hear some more details about how long you have run your build in self looping mode, and what kind of battery voltage is maintained throughout the test runs while the battery is under load. You must have no doubt run your build in self looping mode with the battery for much longer periods than just four hours to confirm that it can self run for a long length of time without the battery voltage starting to drop?
Clarence has answered every other question others have asked except this one-->interesting.
He will never answer these types of questions...not because he does not know the answer...but, because he does know the answer. I am sure he started out like everyone else, with good intentions...but later discovered, like everyone else doing things like this, that his source battery dies over time. He does not want to admit this to anyone, including himself.
He will not last long of EF.
Bill
Quote from: ramset on April 12, 2015, 07:16:08 AM
MH
Just paying attention .
@ TinMan
sums it up nicely. [on another note yah shuddah Gone fishin Too... :-X
here is the link for the new dedicated thread [which I will most definitely be contributing to]
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details.html).
Chet K
Can't see the images unless you are a member and logged in. "Open source" at EF is a secret, open only to a select few, remember?
And I am not a member, ever since I got banned by Err-on for demonstrating 1) that Rosemary Ainslie's claims were not true; 2) that her published 555 timer circuit made an inverted duty cycle from what was claimed; 3) that Err-on did not know how to use his fancy oscilloscope; and 4) that Ainslie and Err-on and many others did not understand that the Voltage on the Drain of a mosfet configured as a switch in the Ainslie circuit will be High, at battery level, when the mosfet is OFF.
This guy? ;D
My mobile phone can measure the ambient magnetic field in uT, it's telling me about 47 uT here if I move it near a magnet it begins to rise and affects the compass reading of course. Funnily as I move it closer to ground the reading becomes less about 38 uT near the ground 1 Inch.
The map is from 2010 they show over there I think and I would say it is a constantly changing thing to some extent. 5 year old magnetic anomaly map I think would be unreliable anyway.
I was meant to stop posting on this thread but since Clarence went to EF anyway I'll post. :-\
..
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 12, 2015, 07:17:36 PM
MH:
Wait. Someone on EF actually asked (demanded) for measurements? Well, that will be the end of that. Clarence will most likely pull out of there as he did here. We can not have folks asking for proof or measurements. All that does is drive these inventors to other forums where this info is not asked for. Worse case, it might make the inventor burn all of his notes and give up thereby depriving the world of yet another free energy device.
This is really sad. I thought that EF banned those types of questions years ago.
What will Chet think about this?
Bill
Man you are a curious person... What is your idea with this speech so corrosive? The hunt is over do not you understand?
People asked not only for testing, but criticized a less correctly, this is what i see in this topic .
Your speech shows well what your intentions.
Note that these not contribute to appease this topic, only to flare were more nap know?
You need attention? Work for it! but not with these derogatory remarks. Maybe you need to feel involved in some kind of project like
LED flip flop circuit or something this genre. You will able to make lots of measures .... in your home and show to your friends that like this kind of game !
Flip flop flip flop
Quote from: tinman on April 12, 2015, 08:53:12 PM
What is the longest you have run your build in self looping mode with the battery, and what specifically did you have connected as a load for those tests while it was self running, and what was the battery voltage at the end of the run before you switched everything off? As you no doubt know, you have to measure the battery voltage while everything is still running and the battery is still under load at the end of the test, before you switch anything off, because the battery voltage can start to climb back up once it is no longer under a load. I am sure I am probably not the only one who would like to hear some more details about how long you have run your build in self looping mode, and what kind of battery voltage is maintained throughout the test runs while the battery is under load. You must have no doubt run your build in self looping mode with the battery for much longer periods than just four hours to confirm that it can self run for a long length of time without the battery voltage starting to drop?
Clarence has answered every other question others have asked except this one-->interesting.
Yes, this is the most important question that needs an answer. A battery in self-looping mode can climb in voltage for several hours depending upon load. The 3BGS guys over on EF have found this out and also observed how a battery can suddenly increase in voltage to drive their motor load to a rather much higher speed, which can be rather startling, as the sulfation is suddenly cleared from the battery plates. The 3BGS guys carefully control the system load, so that the changing internal resistance of the batteries is optimally matched to the load for minimum overall system voltage drop v time, in order to maximise the duration of this battery vagary.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 12, 2015, 04:11:31 PM
What is the deal on the captor?
MileHigh
Since you asked..
Yes, I can explain how the captor transformer works in a few words.
"It is a saturable magnetic power regulator designed to tap into the utility power company
environmental ground return power circuits using a limited but independent ground rod array
design specially by Clarence."
(o) Once working, for power companies return current, it can seamlessly work for supposed
Telluric currents.
(o) It is a carefully designed unit that will support the above carefully designed ground rod
array and intercept certain specific amounts energy that it makes available to the user.
(o) Only certain countries utility companies transmit single phase power through
the ground and other use balanced duplex wiring, in the balanced country cases the captor
function will not work except by other telluric currents.
(o) Its design parameters have been set in a certain way to self limit any internal damage
levels, the whole unit will need to be redesigned if that ever required to make changes.
(o) The voltage functions of the captor and array are low 0->2Volts because array-to-array
impedance resistance is rather low. The captor then also works on rather high *current*
and steps up the voltage 1-to-100 to get to the utility company voltage level for the
internal voltage levels while the current in the ferrite material limits magnetic field maximums,
limiting amplitudes.
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Balance of System, test, safety etc.
Perhaps Clarence is being excessively positive about the results obtained by his
system longer term in running operation, we don't know whether this is true or not.
The efficiency of the *inverter* X times the efficency of the *battery charger* is high.
Therefore most any excess energy from the captor will extend the self running loop lifetime
with energy that excites the captor loop. Addition high level appliance load can be expected
to shrink the amount of time the available to the system before it needs recharging.
There is some "systems stuff" that could be used to contribute to the utility of this system
if there is not always sufficient energy in the captor to keep the battery charged. We need
to have a "stiff upper lip" as we examine the following data result objectively..
What we need to determine for this system to be of use..(o) What is the average lifetime of the battery charger in terms of system operation -
how often is it killed by captor loop power supply overvoltage pulses? Hopefully it
is a "long time" but if it isn't there are some things that can be done to help if the
answer is.. "too often".
(o) What is the Quality of the power derived from the captor loop. This is simple...use
a utility line power line quality monitoring instrument that shows, voltage spikes
brown outs, bulges, etc. This does not have to be the most complex instrument
instrument for recovering VARs, etc. We need someone who will put all this data
online so we can all see what we are up against longer term.
(o) What is the minimum hold up capacity on low voltage required for operation , how much
battery Ah is required to keep the captor loop running at a minimum. I suggest doing this
using a supercapacitor bank. Funny, but I noticed user lasersaber was on here, perhaps
we could borrow his battery supercapacitor bank, to do exact calculations.
(o) Is the IRheatlamp turning off at times? Means insufficient input energy to keep the captor
loop running all the time. This suggest more battery capacity, would be advisable.
(o) Find out what the maximum capacity of the captor is to supply power. This is an important
future number because it represents a major design target parameter. The easiest way
to get this number is to guarantee galvanic isolation and sell the excess back to power
company for the duration of the test to find out how much is actually available. Requires
instrumentation measurement of low voltage.
I suggest designing the IRheatlamp into a dump load controller to suck excess energy out
of the captor when voltage gets too high. This would provide more input margin for the battery
charger.
We need the ability to discuss problems ahead of time (because we are smart), make a
document, and have one person perform a test as to what the group wants to see, and to distribute
the back the desired test results. This is the path to group learning and understanding of function
by principles. Simple construction techniques of post application of more "good ideas" doesn't work.
..S..MarkSCoffman
MarkS:
Is this all your own prose? To me it looks like it might be text copied from a manual somewhere that you then annotated yourself. If that's the case, can you upload the manual?
MileHigh
Here is Clarence's simplified schematic diagram slightly annotated and with the missing "dots" added. The dots are arranged to create maximum current in the captor secondary.
From the Energetic Forum:
Wistiti:
QuoteDo you think we can use capacitor insted of battery?? It may have a longer lifespan...
Clarence:
Quotemy experience is just to use the Captor output to power the charger and let it keep the battery at a constant top voltage charge and keep the whole system operating continually and use it.
So, from Clarence we have a definitive statement that the captor is a device that outputs power, and that powers the battery charger.
I am going to upload the schematic again.
Clarence, or anybody, using the schematic, please show how the captor outputs power to the battery charger. Feel free to annotate the schematic if this helps your explanation and explain how it happens based on the circuit as shown in the simplified schematic.
Show how power output by the captor drives the battery charger.
Show the current loop and the voltage or current source going to the two inputs of the battery charger.See the second attachment. It's a diagram showing a theoretical connection between the captor and the battery charger.
Please show where this exists on Clarence's simplified block diagram.MileHigh
Is this applicable only to locales using SWER?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return
Picowatt:
You read my mind. I was just whipping up a "drawing for the drawing challenged" about that issue.
To All:
Have a look at the attached diagram. The voltages in the ground due to a SWER system or due to telluric currents are on the order of microvolts per meter (or something comparable to that). Telluric currents are intermittent and change direction very slowly. So how could putting a bunch of ground rods in your backyard be of any benefit in terms of picking up power from the ground alone?
MileHigh
MileHigh,
I wrote the text down myself today and last night.
...
Of course something as elegant as this device is, started me thinking right at the beginning.
...
Note.. Obviously if you remove the "flying leads" one has a one-to-n -> n-to-one
120V isolation transformer which must be how the inverter voltage imposes its "will" on the
output and the self running loop. So the whole other part of the captor's behavior (the profit motive)
must consist of interaction of the electronics associated with the "flying leads".
OK...technically this circuit is called a "mixer", a multiplier. I bet if you read up on balanced mixers
in electronics or "ARRL" ham radio you may find a discussion of the rest of this device. It's tricky
because the "phase","time delay", and what-drives-what is critical.
Also you may be able to actually simulate the action of this circuit in ecap or whatever. That little
"bulb coil" must be a distributed LC function. It seems surprising the amount of functionality that
small thing has...but you've got to watch the small ones.
Please explain this circuit online, here when you understand its function fully.
.S.MarkSCoffman
Quote from: MileHigh on April 13, 2015, 12:17:28 PM
Picowatt:
You read my mind. I was just whipping up a "drawing for the drawing challenged" about that issue.
To All:
Have a look at the attached diagram. The voltages in the ground due to a SWER system or due to telluric currents are on the order of microvolts per meter (or something comparable to that). Telluric currents are intermittent and change direction very slowly. So how could putting a bunch of ground rods in your backyard be of any benefit in terms of picking up power from the ground alone?
MileHigh
Mile High,
Signal voltage levels are microvolts per meter required to drive the system. But electron currents are the *real deal*
all the electrons flowing for all voltage levels to transmit all power used in the "US" or whatever. This is a heavy duty
thing. You just need a way to bias the electron flow to flow around the toroids and then you step the current down
and the abject voltage up and you've captured it. By the way the captor multiplies real good at a DC current level
as well.
.S.MarkSCoffman
Here is a diagram showing how telluric currents are generated. They are just eddy currents, no more than that. Lenz's law.
Telluric currents are basically a giant whirlpool of current that might be 2000 kilometers in diameter. They are slowwwwwww currents and intermittent. There is no practical way to extract power from them.
Many people around here have been aware of telluric currents for years and have believed that they can be a source of power. This is nothing more than self-deception.
Quote from: mscoffman on April 13, 2015, 12:49:27 PM
Mile High,
Signal voltage levels are microvolts per meter required to drive the system. But electron currents are the *real deal*
all the electrons flowing for all voltage levels to transmit all power used in the "US" or whatever. This is a heavy duty
thing. You just need a way to bias the electron flow to flow around the toroids and then you step the current down
and the abject voltage up and you've captured it. By the way the captor multiplies real good at a DC current level
as well.
.S.MarkSCoffman
Sorry, but it sounds like fantasy talk to me. "A way to bias the electron flow" -> an unexplained power source. "Flow around the toroids" -> for all practical intents and purposes the telluric currents are DC and the toroidal transformer needs AC to work. "The captor multiplies real good" -> an unexplained power source.
Let's assume one microvolt per meter in the soil due to telluric currents. Imagine one cubic meter of soil that is one meter below the ground. Let's assume that the current density in the soil is one microampere per square meter.
Therefore the cube of soil is dissipating (one microampere x one microvolt) = 10^12 watts, or
one picowatt.
So when telluric currents are active and flowing in the ground, the
dissipation of power in the ground is on the order of
one picowatt per cubic meter of soil.
MileHigh
What a pleasant surprise it would be to find that a certain ground "array"
under "certain" conditions could harvest energy in this way.
I don't even see the fat lady around here yet......
Time will tell.
For emphasis, quoting Clarence again:
Quotemy experience is just to use the Captor output to power the charger and let it keep the battery at a constant top voltage charge and keep the whole system operating continually and use it.
Look at the attached graphic. Is there really an answer to the question posed, or not?
You believers, if you can't answer the question, then the project is
DEAD. Save your time and your money, or get Clarence to answer the question to your satisfaction.
Quote from: ramset on April 13, 2015, 01:17:03 PM
What a pleasant surprise it would be to find that a certain ground "array"
under "certain" conditions could harvest energy in this way.
I don't even see the fat lady around here yet......
Time will tell.
Let's suppose that 10 people replicate and spend $2000 each. Let's suppose we say that the labour that they put into digging up their backyards and building the setup is worth $2000 each.
That's $40,000 USD poured down the drain for bullshit, very possibly just to stroke somebody's ego.
How many DSOs can you buy for $40,000 assuming $500 total cost for each one?
Answer:
You can buy 80 digital storage oscilloscopes. That's about one brand new DSO for every single known and active experimenter across all three main forums.
Leaving aside for the moment the issue of SWER systems like are used in Brazil... (Which, by the way,a.king21 brought up a long time ago, on Page 20 of this thread ...)
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg381197/#msg381197
Here's the answer to MH's question. The Magic Non-connection that is the heart of the "Captor": a few loops of insulated wire looped around another insulated wire, and connected back to itself without actually making actual connections between the two insulated wires.
I would love to see some experimental examinations of such a system, showing some kind of measurable effects of such a "connection" or rather non-connection. Particularly showing transfers of high power through the non-connection, using DC from the "ground" applied to the loop. Anyone?
@MH: You forgot to put the "dots" in on this Magic NonConnection Captor Coil !!
Indeed TK, here is my spin on it, I marked up the main schematic with some annotations.
A lot of you experimenters out there that are supporters of this proposition need to learn basic circuit analysis. Stop pretending that electronic circuits act "differently" just because somebody told you so. They don't.
Here is some more information using the CAD version of the schematic.
Time for you guys to wake up.
Choice quotes from Clarence:
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the last time during rain time I ran it for over 4 + hours and it went from 13+ to 12 so i removed the loads and let it charge.
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I did not under stand your question about earth resistance (between the two sets of ground rods) with regard to my arrangement? I have not made any resistance test at all to date.
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Wake up boys and save your time and your money for a better project!
Quote from: mscoffman on April 13, 2015, 10:50:51 AM
Since you asked..
Yes, I can explain how the captor transformer works in a few words.
"It is a saturable magnetic power regulator designed to tap into the utility power company
environmental ground return power circuits using a limited but independent ground rod array
design specially by Clarence."
(o) Once working, for power companies return current, it can seamlessly work for supposed
Telluric currents.
.
.
.
.
.
We need the ability to discuss problems ahead of time (because we are smart), make a
document, and have one person perform a test as to what the group wants to see, and to distribute
the back the desired test results. This is the path to group learning and understanding of function
by principles. Simple construction techniques of post application of more "good ideas" doesn't work.
..S..MarkSCoffman
Look at my analysis, it's nothing more than a useless resistor. You have to start dealing with electronics from a basis anchored in reality, not fantasy.
Well
I just spoke with Clarence again ,and he reiterated the unit reaches a point where it will self run the batteries and then adding more of an array brings in more energy.
I'm away helping Grammy ATM [Motherinlaw] and will be stopping at the Core Vendor on the way home to get all the info and specs they have.
Mr. Coffman will you be replicating ?? or gathering a group so as to diminish personal investment and maximize minimal
public resources for this project ??
we can pick a builder and ship equipment to minimize expense??
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on April 13, 2015, 05:32:47 PM
Well
I just spoke with Clarence again ,and he reiterated the unit reaches a point where it will self run the batteries and then adding more of an array brings in more energy.
Chet K
Well, I have 38 years worth of playing with, dabbling in, breadboarding, designing, debugging, selling, and manufacturing electronics and I am telling you that that statement from Clarence is not true.
Soooo
No shovel time at all ??
Even some light "worming experience"
no ??
NEXT !!
Just to comment on the latest posting in the EF thread from the user "totoalas":
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Clarence and Level,
thanks for the swift replies and flow of info..... at least we know its working....
we dont need an ou ... what we need is how to lessen our burden of electric bills to food in the table ..... thats what matter in my country where power rates is the no 1 highest in Asia for a 3rd world country with some oil and gas and hydro / geothermal plants.......
[Translation: Okay, I understand that the setup is not over unity, it's under unity.]
Battery voltage drop can be topped off with solar/ sg and ssg / cap dump by Mickey's beasty sssg lots of possibilities rain or shine .....
now back to the drawing board..... theres a lot of DIYers out there that can join in
[Translation: I will plug my battery charger into the mains, then charge up my SSG main battery. Then I will use the SSG to charge up the B&L system battery where the charging efficiency is only about 30% for a huge net loss in energy. Or, I can spend a lot of money on a huge solar array to charge up the B&L system battery and then run that hugely inefficient system. No matter how I do it, I am losing lots of energy and/or money.]
I remember in my test the 10 mm cable in the captor went to 90 deg C in an instant and also the Barbosa first video showed a 90 to 120 mm captor cable
but in your case ur case how is the heat in the captor ??? ??
[Translation: This is confirmation that the captor is noting more than a glorified heater that wastes energy just like MileHigh stated on OU.]
Translation Translation
others have seen an un tuned Captor and its heating issues ...
who's word is that "captor" where did it come from ??
the Brazilian's ?
Quote from: ramset on April 13, 2015, 06:05:50 PM
Soooo
No shovel time at all ??
Even some light "worming experience"
no ??
NEXT !!
And I am a graduate electrical engineer and I worked for about five years as an electrical engineer, then I went into engineering sales. Something I don't say very often because crazy people might want to harm me.
This thing is nonsense, don't waste your time and money no matter what Clarence says.
You guys on the Energetic Forum: Ask Clarence for hard data, pictures, and video clips. Get him to put a Kill-a-Watt meter on the captor like I show in the diagram. Then let's assume one of you talks privately with him and lives close enough to him for a weekend visit. Run the thing all weekend non-stop. Find out what battery he is using. Determine the amount of energy in the battery. Pick a load that will drain the battery in eight hours, and observe what happens over the course of your weekend 48-hour continuous test. Take a sleeping bag and sleep next to the device while it runs.
Chances are Clarence would never agree to this, it would expose his fraud.
Save your time and money for your family or for a better project.
Quote from: mscoffman on April 13, 2015, 12:49:27 PM
Mile High,
Signal voltage levels are microvolts per meter required to drive the system. But electron currents are the *real deal*
all the electrons flowing for all voltage levels to transmit all power used in the "US" or whatever. This is a heavy duty
thing. You just need a way to bias the electron flow to flow around the toroids and then you step the current down
and the abject voltage up and you've captured it. By the way the captor multiplies real good at a DC current level
as well.
.S.MarkSCoffman
Everyone should review the radio engineering concept of the "mixer" a mixer is a multiplier, but changes the actual
numbers on the voltage and current in such a way as it multiplies physical power. One form of a mixer is a non-linear
magnetic amplifier which we are using. There is also a radio frequency form of mixer which is probably what Karpenzy is using.
So the captor transformer *is a mixer*. The carrier or IF intermediate frequency is the inverter which is physically multiplied
by the power waveform of the other signal. I think that makes sufficient sense to stop right there.
---
The only other thing is the availability of the ground array to intercept the required power.
I have come up with a good analogy - the Tsunami. The Tsunami is only about one meter deep in the open ocean
and the fish there don't even feel it. This is equivalent to large numbers of mobile electrons, but the low impedance
between ground points keeps shorting the voltage out. The ground array is as if the ocean bottom is rising right
before landfall and the Tsunami is busy converting itself to high energy "scrubbing bubbles". Most likely the array
functions becomes the difference of the conductivity of copper rods in the array vs the conductivity of the ground
to generate additional voltage rise.
I'm sure the math for this would be covered on some book on utility electronics.
To me this should be enough to justify moving to the next set of targets.
----
By the way this is the same method that Brazilian captor worked except it probably had a dynamic range
of 100KW! I suspect it was *haywired* then *potted* to prevent people from easily analyzing its function.
.S.MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on April 13, 2015, 06:45:17 PM
Everyone should review the radio engineering concept of the "mixer" a mixer is a multiplier, but changes the actual
numbers on the voltage and current in such a way as it multiplies physical power. One form of a mixer is a non-linear
magnetic amplifier which we are using. There is also a radio frequency form of mixer which is probably what Karpenzy is using.
So the captor transformer *is a mixer*. The carrier or IF intermediate frequency is the inverter which is physically multiplied
by the power waveform of the other signal. I think that makes sufficient sense to stop right there.
---
The only other thing is the availability of the ground array to intercept the required power.
I have come up with a good analogy - the Tsunami. The Tsunami is only about one meter deep in the open ocean
and the fish there don't even feel it. This is equivalent to large numbers of mobile electrons, but the low impedance
between ground points keeps shorting the voltage out. The ground array is as if the ocean bottom is rising right
before landfall and the Tsunami is busy converting itself to high energy "scrubbing bubbles". Most likely the array
functions becomes the difference of the conductivity of copper rods in the array vs the conductivity of the ground
to generate additional voltage rise.
I'm sure the math for this would be covered on some book on utility electronics.
To me this should be enough to justify moving to the next set of targets.
----
By the way this is the same method that Brazilian captor worked except it probably had a dynamic range
of 100KW! I suspect it was *haywired* then *potted* to prevent people from easily analyzing its function.
.S.MarkSCoffman
Then please go ahead and sketch out the various voltage, current, and power waveforms for the input and output for the captor device. Explain the waveforms and how everything works. Explain the math. Explain how it integrates into the full system.
Amplifiers require a
power source to work, they don't just magically "amplify."
QuoteBy the way this is the same method that Brazilian captor worked
Please cite multiple credible references that show that the Brazilian captor worked.
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on April 13, 2015, 06:31:43 AM
Man you are a curious person... What is your idea with this speech so corrosive? The hunt is over do not you understand?
People asked not only for testing, but criticized a less correctly, this is what i see in this topic .
Your speech shows well what your intentions.
Note that these not contribute to appease this topic, only to flare were more nap know?
You need attention? Work for it! but not with these derogatory remarks. Maybe you need to feel involved in some kind of project like
LED flip flop circuit or something this genre. You will able to make lots of measures .... in your home and show to your friends that like this kind of game !
Flip flop flip flop
So, someone is faking a fake device and now many folks are going to waste over $2,000 each to attempt to replicate and you think that is OK but you have a problem with my post?
To me, that is derogatory, and so is your post if you just sit by and watch this happen.
Perhaps you don't have the background to know any better? Fine, that is understandable. But, I do know better.
This is fake and does not/can not work.
It is as simple as that. If you do not like my saying that, I suggest that you do not read my posts.
Good day,
Bill
and the GEET is a fake .. and Stan Meyers (hydrogen/ Plasma) is a fake .. GENEPAX is a fake .. Rossi / Industrial Heat E-Cat is a fake .. Steorn is a fake .. Kapanadze is a fake ????? (and Tesla was a madman) all proven if not quite fully understood and
energy from the ground will be just another added to the list. These things often take a long time to understand and develop, and as soon as it is the money comes in to snatch it away. Governments around the world are sitting on thousands of patents in the
interest of 'National Security' (protecting power and taxation). It's the people playing with the fakes who get the job done.
maybe your motives are good and well intentioned. Like maggie thatcher it is usually the people who most believe they are right who are not .. advise people to be cautious yes, be constructive and guiding if you have something to contribute but the 'crusades' are over and can now be seen for what they were .. wrong.
As for B&L and Clarence .. soon we will all know and it can be added to the list with the others.
.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 13, 2015, 08:10:28 PM
So, someone is faking a fake device and now many folks are going to waste over $2,000 each to attempt to replicate and you think that is OK but you have a problem with my post?
To me, that is derogatory, and so is your post if you just sit by and watch this happen.
Perhaps you don't have the background to know any better? Fine, that is understandable. But, I do know better.
This is fake and does not/can not work.
It is as simple as that. If you do not like my saying that, I suggest that you do not read my posts.
Good day,
Bill
Hi ,
How you now that circuit is a fake ?
Did you prove that circuit or other variant circuit ? Did you test any of this ?
I did all the tests i need about a year ago , and with very good results.The biggest problem is when people do not think through your own head.
I did not follow to the letter the patent information to make my tests because have some "distorted information" .
Even thought the Leal Barbosa and would offer spoon-fed all the necessary information for granted? :)
You must read and understand the patent, moreover the patent is made of other ideas taken from other patents.
One of the main ideas was removed from Stan Meyers patent.
Investigate and you see that is true.
That's why I've always said from the beginning that this circuit could not call Barbosa & Leal circuit.
Because it is made using registered ideas on other patents.
Checks at the end of Barbosa & Leal patent the references used in other inventors.
but of course is only about my background fault when i sit and read ; yes because is very important read too .
At that time, the same criticisms and doubts have been raised by the people.
But it's normal whens people are unaware, have more cautious, about the things that are not "Conventional"
I understand, but what i see is a non constructive opinions that make people leave this forum like Clearance did.
I think people who attend such forums do not need nanny, as some of them sticks are formed in areas covering this area of research.
What I abhor is the antagonistic way is made critical by some people.
What you have shown so far to show that the circuit is fake?
As you think it's fake, you should try and explain why you think that, if in fact these concerned about people and their money.
Not only say that is fake without nothing.
Do not be upset, sees this as constructive criticism.
Of course, I will continue to read your posts :)
Thanks and good day
Quote from: MileHigh on April 13, 2015, 03:44:10 PM
Indeed TK, here is my spin on it, I marked up the main schematic with some annotations.
A lot of you experimenters out there that are supporters of this proposition need to learn basic circuit analysis. Stop pretending that electronic circuits act "differently" just because somebody told you so. They don't.
You got the wrong schematic MH. The little few turn coil dosnt loop back onto it self. One end go's to the ground rod's,and the other to the neutral side of the load.
When you look at the schematic below,you will see why i said the ground rods are nothing but a resistive path in the neutral side of the circuit. And this is why when Clarence puts in more ground rod's,he gets more power to the load. So now he thinks he is making more power with more ground rod's because more power gets to the load--when in actual fact,he is only reducing the resistance in the neutral side of the circuit when he adds more ground rod's.
@tinman, thank you for pointing that out I thought it was just me, now the circuit might work as intended.
Regards
Keith
Quote from: captainkt on April 14, 2015, 08:15:33 AM
@tinman, thank you for pointing that out I thought it was just me, now the circuit might work as intended.
Regards
Keith
No the circuit will not work as described by Clarence-sorry Keith,but that is a fact.
It is good to see Level at EF is onto it. I bet it wont be long now,and he will be seen as the bad guy for asking the questions we did. Clarence will soon vacate EF as well.
Quote: Clarence, Ok, from your reply it seems you are not much interested in investigating and sharing more details on how your setup performs beyond just a short time, but from what I can gather from some of your comments it appears you have not been able to get your setup to be a continuous self runner. That is important information for people to know however before they go and invest a large sum of money in a replication, and this is the reason I asked twice about the performance now. To tell other people to build your setup if they want to know how your setup might actually perform doesn't make sense. You need to be fully forthcoming on what your setup can do and what it can't do, based on actual performance testing. To just give people the run around when they ask for specific test results on how your setup is performing, after you have stated more than a few times that your setup is 'working' is not a good sign at all. People should have more than wishful thinking before investing a large sum of money and time and effort into a replication.
Quote from: tinman on April 14, 2015, 08:07:33 AM
You got the wrong schematic MH. The little few turn coil dosnt loop back onto it self. One end go's to the ground rod's,and the other to the neutral side of the load.
When you look at the schematic below,you will see why i said the ground rods are nothing but a resistive path in the neutral side of the circuit. And this is why when Clarence puts in more ground rod's,he gets more power to the load. So now he thinks he is making more power with more ground rod's because more power gets to the load--when in actual fact,he is only reducing the resistance in the neutral side of the circuit when he adds more ground rod's.
Brad:
Thanks for the correction but it doesn't make any difference. Having the earth ground wire loop a few turns around the secondary high-current captor loop is really nothing more than electronics quackery that doesn't mean anything. It's just like other parts of the circuit are electronics quackery. To tell the truth I was aware that there were three or four variations on the CAD-based schematic and I wasn't willing to spend 10 or 15 minutes trying to figure out which one was a perfect match.
Your comments about the number of grounding rods is not necessarily true. It's just as easily arguable that the number of rods in the setup is never really an issue and it is not a "choke point" for the current flow at all. You can make a reasonable assumption that it's possible that no matter the number of rods, the conductivity through the ground remains very high. For example, if the soil resistance between the two sets of grounding rods varies let's say between 0.4 ohms and 0.8 ohms depending on the number of rods, then it's not going to really make any difference at all. I am making an assumption about the resistance because it never occurred to Clarence to make that measurement, plus he wouldn't know how to make the measurement anyway. As far as Clarence saying that he got more power to the load, I take that all with a huge grain of salt. It's possible that it's a "good story" for the narrative and leave it at that. Even if he did observe more power to the load, it could have been because of another factor, which most likely Clarence would not have been able to distinguish.
There are several caveats here. Firstly, I don't know what the typical resistance would be between sets of grounding rods. I am making an assumption that the rods are at least one meter in length, and the lower parts of the rods make it down to very moist or even water-logged soil. Under those conditions I am making an assumption of less than one ohm, and for all I know it might even be less than 1/10th of an ohm. I really don't know. It's a pretty strange measurement to make, so it might be very hard to find that information, I didn't try. Secondly, I have no idea what kind of soil there is where Clarence is, how wet the soil is, how long his rods are, when did it last rain, and so on and so forth. I read that they said those variables were discussed among the EF members, but not Clarence himself. However, we can't forget that two sets of grounding rods in soil are at the EXACT SAME GROUND POTENTIAL, and that means they are as dead as a doornail with respect to "extracting power from the ground."
MileHigh
Probably sure now that primaries are in phase and secondaries also.
It s the reason why they don't burn in less than one minute
Clarence's explanation :
Most of what Clarence has to say as quoted above is quackery. Consider, "It gets rid of the VOLTAGE COMPONENT in the SECONDARY windings and leaves ONLY the AMPERAGE COMPONENT!" your smoking gun.
I will discuss the issue of the geomagnetic map without looking up a single damn thing. No matter what your location is respect to the geomagnetic map, the Earth's magnetic field is going to be about the same. It will be in a magnetic north direction with a certain inclination that is primarily determined by you latitude. Irregardless of all of this, the Earth's magnetic field is static and unchanging and will not affect the setup in the least bit. It's just more quackery from Clarence.
So what is the map? My guess is that it's a map of the permeability of the underlying bedrock and exposed rocks on the surface. Different types of rock, igneous, sedimentary, etc, may have small differences in permeability. That will ever so slightly affect the direction of the magnetic field and deflect it a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a degree. The strength of the magnetic field may change by a tiny tiny fraction. The map is probably a tool used by geologists to identify the mineral and rock formations that form the layout of the land. It may help locate valuable mineral deposits.
So for the average Joe Blow experimenter, their compass needle will not in the least be affected by where they are relative to the geomagnetic map. One more time, worrying about the geomagnetic map is all completely nonsensical. Has anybody seen any kind of discussion on how to "react accordingly" depending on the geomagnetic map to "match your area" as Clarence says? It's a farce.
I may be wrong about what a geomagnetic map actually represents, I am not Googling it. Even if I am wrong, it's still irrelevant, it's quackery, and it's a farce.
MileHigh
Some kudos for some of the contributors on EF. The user Level made a sensible posting about the dearth of any serious hard data from Clarence and the high buy-in cost for this project almost a day ago now and Clarence hasn't responded. Also BroMikey was called out for being a rabid believer with no technical acumen. In fact BroMikey was even running blocking, discouraging people from asking for real data from Clarence.
BroMikey said, "If it works for 5 hours it will work forever" which is complete nonsense when you look at a typical car battery. That's just a "noise" comment.
And of course, there is one sore thumb in the discussion, and even in the discussion here: Most of the members are not even discussing the circuit itself, and its merits or lack of merits. It's actually ridiculous when you think about it. Instead of discussing the circuit, they discuss wire gages or where to get grounding rods. That's because people around here that build electronic circuits don't understand enough about electronics to actually discuss the circuit, so they fall back onto what they can discuss, how many rods, the gage of wire, how many turns, and so on. You are just deceiving yourselves, open up some books and start educating yourselves if you want to do this stuff.
I just posted how the captor is basically a glorified resistor that doesn't even have the proper electrical connections to power the battery charger. You don't have to be an electronics genius to look at the schematics that I marked up and try to figure it out for yourselves and agree or disagree and discuss it among yourselves. Even a beginner should be able to make sense of what I said. Chances are the boys on EF will ignore what I posted, even though I am pretty sure every single one of them will have read the material - and this posting. You guys have to stop the "Zombie Walk" and open up and try to discuss the circuit itself. Right now it's the zombies vs. the ostriches.
MileHigh
Off topic comment:
Anybody like me that may suspect the number of guests on EF just for "creative marketing" purposes?
Five hundred and ninety-two guests on a Tuesday morning/afternoon in North America?
why ? do you suspect something ?
EnergeticForum is locked ? Cannot view it
energetic forum not locked I have just been to check .. unless they have blocked you?
@MH: that image of the post from Clarence is hilarious. Reminds me a lot of UFOPolitics. How many thousands of dollars has his EF thread caused to be thrown away? Piles of blown NTE mosfets (costing twice or three times what the generic IRF equivalents cost), motors, parts of motors, wire, epoxy, time and effort... Remember, in December of 2012, on page 95 he announced "Overunity Galore".... and now, in April of 2015, the thread is up to page 250.... and he's still buying his home's electricity from the local grid. Meanwhile people come and people go, but you can load up just about any random page from the past two years and read almost the same things. People build and test, find no OU and in fact very inefficient performance, UFO tells them they aren't doing it right.... over and over and over again, but you don't see any proper measurements or demonstrations of real OU from UFOpolitics, and the ones who do actual measurements fall away since they realize they'll never replicate what he _claims_ to have achieved but cannot actually demonstrate.
250 pages, running nearly three years now... Clarence is just a beginner compared to that, but give him time....
Quote from: skribat on April 14, 2015, 03:24:04 AM
and the GEET is a fake .. and Stan Meyers (hydrogen/ Plasma) is a fake .. GENEPAX is a fake .. Rossi / Industrial Heat E-Cat is a fake .. Steorn is a fake .. Kapanadze is a fake ??? ?? (and Tesla was a madman) all proven if not quite fully understood and
You should be ashamed of yourself for mentioning Tesla in the same sentence along with those fakes and frauds. "All proven"... not hardly. Look around you: You are literally surrounded by technology that can be traced directly back to Tesla's inventions, patents and scientific research. Those clowns you mention... where is anything good or practical or proven from any of them? Nowhere, that's where, and there never will be, either.
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energy from the ground will be just another added to the list. These things often take a long time to understand and develop, and as soon as it is the money comes in to snatch it away. Governments around the world are sitting on thousands of patents in the
interest of 'National Security' (protecting power and taxation). It's the people playing with the fakes who get the job done.
People playing with the fakes who get the job done... .what a crock. Yes, there are some patents, every year, in the US that are under secrecy orders, and that is as it should be. And every year some of the secrecy orders are rescinded and the patents released to the public. Your claims about "protecting power and taxation" have no basis in fact and you cannot support them with credible references.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html (http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html)
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maybe your motives are good and well intentioned. Like maggie thatcher it is usually the people who most believe they are right who are not .. advise people to be cautious yes, be constructive and guiding if you have something to contribute but the 'crusades' are over and can now be seen for what they were .. wrong.
As for B&L and Clarence .. soon we will all know and it can be added to the list with the others.
.
Yes, you are right about one thing: B&L and Clarence will be added to the list of false claimants, which includes Kapanadze, Rossi, Meyer, Pantone, Steorn, and the rest of that lot. Of the names you mention only Tesla has ever contributed anything to our knowledge and our technology.
You sound to me like a paid disinformation agent. Who are you working for, anyway? Do you get a cut from the Energetic Forum profits?
(See how that feels to you, when you start trying to accuse people like MH and some others, who are only interested in the Truth and in proper research, of being "paid agents" of suppression. It's people like YOU who are the real suppressors, since you encourage people to waste their time and money and creativity chasing Flying Pink Unicorns that can never actually work.)
First on this source of energy(o) Its primary invocation source is certainly not green.
(o) I estimate that its absolute efficiency of the captor is only 1 to 2%
(o) There is no way to expect everyone would have this.
(o) It is real energy that needs to caught, It is not OU so
COE applies normally.
(o) There is absolutely no problem recovering energy
from Telluric sources as long as their frequency is below 60Hz.
(o) Miles High - Automatic Variable Rheostat will work just fine as a captor.
(o) When pulses start flying, though I'd rather be using a transformer version.
(o) Magnetic Amplifiers don't require separate power sources. Their input
sources supply the energy.
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My experience with home power units are we need 1.5KW continuous energy generating
capacity and 32KWH battery storage (acid/lead storage = ~$14K alone) to supply
average household needs.
So Clarence's 1KWH unit is going to have a woeful tremendous lack of battery capacity
to hold up to particular home appliances. You are just not going to be able to run
appliances whenever you want. You are going to need to have a quite intelligent
interactive system controller that gives priority to loop battery recharging and stops
one from using an appliance by calculating the risks of future depleting the loop
energy storage.
In the long run there is no problem with this approach because we will have low cost
large (Elon Musk style) lithium battery storage systems (of the correct size, naturally).
So getting *published data* on a standard captor system is a must not only as a
requirement from the standpoint of energy quality and stress on the electrical
components but for calculating battery storage capacity and system behavior. You can
not do this piecemeal by picking a set point and then building and then finding out
how badly the system behavior is impacted.
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Quote from: ramset on April 13, 2015, 05:32:47 PM
Mr. Coffman will you be replicating ?? or gathering a group so as to diminish personal investment
and maximize minimal public resources for this project ??
we can pick a builder and ship equipment to minimize expense??
Chet K
So I think you can see there is no practical way for me to develop and use this system,
even if I acknowledge that I wouldn't be acting greenly or maybe even fairly. Large
inexpensive battery pack of the future will guarantee the probability of building
this into a low sweet or no sweet systems. So I will proceed slowly and wait for data.
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We need published sources of data on standard cases.(o) It would give Clarence necessary credibility to proceed rationally
(o) It would allow use to acceptable hardware risks or solve them as problems.
(o) It will allow us to estimate system controller behavior at storage battery set points we
pick .
(o) It will allow us to suppress the inaccurate text output from unknowledgeable, inexperienced
and non-insightful comments from certain individuals on the Forum. The only way to
fight wide spread BS is with the truth. - Verifiable data text taken from the standard
systems.
.S.MarkSCoffman
>>> (o) I estimate that its absolute efficiency of the captor is only 1 to 2%
What does efficiency mean here? If you don't define it it's meaningless.
>>> (o) There is absolutely no problem recovering energy from Telluric sources as long as their frequency is below 60Hz.
Then please by all means please make a simplified diagram of such a system and explain exactly how it is supposed to work.
>>> (o) Magnetic Amplifiers don't require separate power sources. Their input sources supply the energy.
Quote from the equivalent thread on EF:
QuoteOriginally Posted by citfta (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-post273723.html#post273723) Can you explain what you mean by Magamp. I am asking because I see a lot of confusion on this forum about what a magamp really is and what it really does. I worked as an industrial maintenance electronic tech for over 25 years and worked on several magamps. A magamp (magnetic amplifier) as used in industry is a special transformer that allows you to control a large current by using a very small current to control the saturation of the transformer. They will put out exactly the same kind of signal you put into one. They do not produce a sine wave unless the control current is a sine wave. And they do not produce any extra power. They are just like a water faucet that controls the flow of water. You have to supply the large current but it can be controlled by a small current.
>>> My experience with home power units are we need 1.5KW continuous energy generating
capacity and 32KWH battery storage (acid/lead storage = ~$14K alone) to supply
average household needs.
So Clarence's 1KWH unit is going to have a woeful tremendous lack of battery capacity
to hold up to particular home appliances. You are just not going to be able to run
appliances whenever you want. You are going to need to have a quite intelligent
interactive system controller that gives priority to loop battery recharging and stops
one from using an appliance by calculating the risks of future depleting the loop
energy storage. <<<
So that's your solution? A small mountain of batteries to meet the average home's daily needs? And when the batteries are not being used they are recharged by magic "loop battery recharging?" Please explain what "loop battery recharging" is.
>>>We need published sources of data on standard cases.
(o) It would give Clarence necessary credibility to proceed rationally
(o) It would allow use to acceptable hardware risks or solve them as problems.
(o) It will allow us to estimate system controller behavior at storage battery set points we
pick .
(o) It will allow us to suppress the inaccurate text output from unknowledgeable, inexperienced
and non-insightful comments from certain individuals on the Forum. The only way to
fight wide spread BS is with the truth. - Verifiable data text taken from the standard
systems.<<<
Who is going to publish the data? The problem is that there is no data because there is no working device. That traps you in a Catch-22 seemingly forever.
What "system controller?" Do you see anything about some kind of configurable system controller in this discussion?
In your final comment, do you want to suppress yourself and others of your ilk? Because I am 100% in favour of eliminating BS if at all possible. No standard systems exist for this beyond-dubious proposition, that is just a figment of your imagination.
By "loop recharging," do you just mean the standard operation of Clarence's proposed system?
I am reattaching my drawing showing the power flows. Feel free to go ahead and build the system as Clarence describes. You don't need to power a house for starters.
Just run the system with no load, and measure all of the power flows and as shown in the loop. You prove to us that the "loop recharging" actually works like you claim in your declarative statement.
So, in six months will anybody be able to demonstrate Clarence's system working as claimed, including Clarence? I am not very optimistic. Clarence still won't answer the real questions, so at this point why not assume that he never will. Seemingly he is a sheepherder now.
You can see how TK with his new scope could give a lot of you a sobering lesson in reality. I asked MarkS about running the system no load to verify the alleged loop self-charging but so far no response.
This simple and realizable test can be done with a four-channel DSO. All that you have to do monitor the energy output by the smart battery charger and the energy output by the battery.
Clarence:
QuoteHello @ ALL,
The transformer winding remains the same standard wiring that bridgeport magnetics uses. however after the wire extends so far out of the primary as to be practical I stepped it up to a #10 awg tinned multistrand wire.
Now why do you suppose ole sneaky Clarence would do something like that?
PRACTICAL!
that word is my second name in life! after a short period during building
the SMALL wire leads would BREAK off at their terminals AND they wern't LONG ENOUGH to reach where I needed to CONNECT THEM!!!!!!!!! ALSO #10 has less resistance.
Get a grip people! Anything I do is ALWAYS PRACTICAL!
Thanks for listening!
Clarence
So all that you can do is talk about the "mechanics" of your alleged system, just like everybody else in the threads?
You are supposed to be the "guru" that can talk about how the system is supposed to work.So you are saying, "Go out and buy the right nuts and bolts and then go forth and prosper?"
That's pure BS.
The 16-ton elephant in the room is for you to answer the questions about run times and all that extremely important stuff.
Do something practical instead of sitting on your ass.
MileHigh
you did not understand that Clarence no longer meet in part thanks to you then you can write lines and lines ....
I was just expressing the fustration that I am sure many people feel. For the thousandth time, a person making claims of a free energy machine refuses to provide any credible data. He has supposedly "moved past" that phase and he waits for you to spend thousands of dollars and dig up your backyards.
Clarence is a fully gown man and he should be able to meet the challenge of defending his proposition, presenting credible data, and answering questions, even if they are tough questions.
@MH:
There is only one thing wrong with your measurement scheme, and that is the _lack of availability_ of a "working" system to measure. I could pound as many copper rods into the ground in my backyard, use the same color wires as Clarence, buy a thousand-dollar inverter and all the rest, and when I connect my 4-ch scope (or the Clarke-Hess power analyzer) to do power and energy budget testing and find that the "captor" doesn't work as claimed.... "someone" will just say I don't have the right ground rods arranged properly, or I have one turn too few or too many on a transformer, or that I'm falsifying my data because I work for TPTB or not holding my mouth right or something similar.
There is only ONE THING preventing proper testing and evaluating of such a claimed system, and it's not whether or not I have a 4-channel scope to play with. (At the moment I don't, but that's another story.) What is preventing the proper evaluation is the attitude of the CLAIMANT. I don't know where Clarence lives, but I'm quite sure of two things: 1) There are people who would be happy to visit him, wherever he lives, and perform proper tests using proper equipment and protocols on his allegedly working system; and 2) Clarence will never allow such a visit, or if he does, the system will have broken down due to a part failure just before the test team arrives, and won't be fixable until after the test team leaves.
Any testing and evaluation, to be valid, must be performed on a system that is allegedly working to begin with. It does no good to test a nonworking attempt at replication, except to prove Yet Again that a working replication is, in all cases known about, impossible.
Ha, this is hugely entertaining: Had me rolling around laughing yesterday.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-4.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-4.html)
VS http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/new/#new
Best free energy soap opera yet.
BTW I'm NOT taking sides!
Quote from: a.king21 on April 15, 2015, 06:55:24 PM
Ha, this is hugely entertaining: Had me rolling around laughing yesterday.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-4.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-4.html)
VS http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/new/#new (http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/new/#new)
Best free energy soap opera yet.
BTW I'm NOT taking sides!
Yes, on some levels it is a comedy. In fact on one level it's a black comedy like the movie "Dr. Strangelove."
On OUR you have a "mad scientist" character named Duncan that claims he is an engineer but when he talks about electronics he sounds like he is from Planet Whack-a-Doo. Then to advance the "technical discussion" you throw in the "kitchen sink" - two 9/11 conspiracy clips.
And of course the "alternative thinkers" that accuse the people with common sense of being "sheeple" are the real sheeple because their peer group pressure prevents them from breaking ranks and expressing some doubt. If Clarence said that you had to squirt mayonnaise all over the grounding rods and hop on one foot to make it work most of the believers would not question that. Instead you would be discussing a bulk purchase of mayonnaise so you could split the costs.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 15, 2015, 08:58:54 PM
Yes, on some levels it is a comedy. In fact on one level it's a black comedy like the movie "Dr. Strangelove."
On OUR you have a "mad scientist" character named Duncan that claims he is an engineer but when he talks about electronics he sounds like he is from Planet Whack-a-Doo. Then to advance the "technical discussion" you throw in the "kitchen sink" - two 9/11 conspiracy clips.
And of course the "alternative thinkers" that accuse the people with common sense of being the "sheeple" are the real sheeple because their peer group pressure prevents them from breaking ranks and expressing some doubt. If Clarence said that you had to squirt mayonnaise all over the grounding rods and hop on one foot to make it work most of the believers would not question that. Instead you would be discussing a bulk purchase of mayonnaise so you could all split the costs.
Slim Pickens. What a classic photo!
I am going to save that one.
Bill
QuoteSlim Pickens. What a classic photo!
Hey! You are
exposing the PSYOP. 8)
Now I have to get another face transplant! I want to look like a big saxophone player this time.
<<< If it were 90deg leading the grid would be a resonant wireless antenna and all the energy would still disappear from your perceived dimension this time into the ground as a wireless wave (The electrostatic wave) ... The one that's suppressed that we know nothing of ! ( Re - the longitudinal wave)
In the dimention of electricity it also isn't taught at all but like all the other things it had to be there ! >>>
Good name for an "alternative energy" band: "The Dementia of Electricity."
Quote from: MileHigh on April 15, 2015, 09:27:30 PM
Now I have to get another face transplant! I want to look like a big saxophone player this time.
Clarence (coincidence?) Clemmons, The Big Man.
May he rest in peace.
Bill
Please stop flooding this tread! Are you serious , is this OU Forum or what!
If you have nothing else to do, at least stop this, pretend to be "humor".
Unbelievable, educated people .., if any.
Do you Release, that this thing , energy from the ground works, that is not a fake.
Read it twice,do research, experiment.
Not just remember what was written a two century ago, by some , you know.
These gays are just people, not Gods! Remember that , please.
regards
If Clarence said that you had to squirt mayonnaise all over the grounding rods and hop on one foot to make it work most of the believers would not question that. Instead you would be discussing a bulk purchase of mayonnaise so you could split the costs.
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So why wouldn't MAYONNAISE work? .. it contains vinegar and lemon juice ..
I'll upload a PDF file soon, whit circuits, experimental results, etc.
I Believe, nobody would even look at it. Almost for sure.
@padova, I will look and experiment.Thank you.
Regards
Keith
UK
padova, educated people usually use proper grammar.
"Do you Release, that this thing , energy from the ground works, that is not a fake.
Read it twice,do research, experiment.
Not just remember what was written a two century ago, by some , you know.
These gays are just people, not Gods! Remember that , please."
Imperfect English ..
padova, educated people usually use proper grammar.
"Do you Release, that this thing , energy from the ground works, that is not a fake.
Read it twice,do research, experiment.
Not just remember what was written a two century ago, by some , you know.
These gays are just people, not Gods! Remember that , please."
MAYBE .. he is posting from an iphone and he has 'intuitive text' switched on which is selecting the wrong words. If he is from another country and english is not his first language this is understandable. Anyone who speaks more than one language would probably recognise the problem quite quickly. If this isn't the case maybe .. again .. he is dyslexic .. it would be unfair to criticise people with dyslexia, .. or any other impediment, we are not all perfect.
I am an immigrant myself.
maybe, maybe.
It was a response to his post, which was quite critical.
Padova: I can tell by the way you phrase your grammar that English is not your first language.
Please ignore the ignorant.
I will be only too happy to look at any circuit you post.
Actually your English is very good for a second language, and we can understand it.
Gays??? Might be misinterpreted, (should be guys), instead. But, who knows... maybe not.
stop arguing about meaningless things ,and argue about the problem at hand...
Understand that without accurate language there is little chance of good communication. One letter wrong can change the whole context of the conversation. take for example the sentence: "God bless America". Is that a command to God? Is it a request? What if we forgot to insert a comma: "God, bless America" or "God bless, America"? Even capitalising will change the meaning: consider MW vs mW (megawatt vs milliwatt), three orders of magnitude difference!
You may think that I am nitpicking, or even ignorant by commenting on language (grammar), but the purpose is to clarify, not criticise. I spend a good deal of time on correcting my posts before you see them.
Hey Turbo: No one is arguing, but, you're right, or course.
However, what is the problem at hand? Is it, that no one else is able to make this system work as it should, especially without the grid system involved?
And, what ever happened to Barbosa and Leal, and their sales offerings on their generators? Are they rich now, or back in jail?
Remember, the ones that don't need 60 ground rods to work.
There is more than a few of us waiting to replicate, if proper proof is shown, and, which can also be trusted.
Quote from: NickZ on April 16, 2015, 11:13:32 AM
There is more than a few of us waiting to replicate, if proper proof is shown, and, which can also be trusted.
Well, let's look at the attached graphic that crunches some numbers for a system where the sine wave inverter supplies 100 watts @120 VAC and the "ground" supplies 400 watts for a total of 500 watts going into a 144 ohm load. (A 100-watt light bulb @ 120 VAC is 144 ohms.)
Well, the first thing you notice is that you have no choice but to see an increased voltage at the load. So that would burn out the light bulb so I am substituting the light bulb with a 144 ohm resistor.
Can the battery charger withstand the increased voltage?
With your multimeter, you should be able to measure 148 VAC across the two earth ground connections! (The little coil of the Neutral conductor wrapped around the captor loop secondary wire is NOT going to supply that voltage. Feel free to measure there also on your replication.)
It's just totally amazing isn't it? Not only does the ground supply "more electrons," but it is also a full fledged AC voltage source in itself, and it is perfectly synchronous with the inverter. (If you put your thinking cap on, supplying "more electrons" does not even make sense. The ground has to be a "synchronous AC voltage pump" that pushes electrons through the loop.)
To confirm the system is working, all that you have to do is measure a high voltage source across the two sets of grounding rods with your multimeter. You can then measure the voltage increase across your load which would be (120 VAC + the "synchronous ground AC voltage source.")
I will attempt to coin a term, "The Housewife-iPad factor."
I worked in computer graphics 25 years ago. A long time ago, but look at something like the iPad. It's just a computer, a graphics subsystem, and a display. Without ever having read about the guts inside an iPad, I still have a pretty good idea about how it works. For me, an iPad is not just a "black box," I have a good feeling for what's inside the box. What applied 25 years ago, still applies today. The chips inside a graphics computer from 25 years ago are very similar to the chips inside an iPad. The chips in the iPad and the underlying processes are just more modern.
But what about a "housewife" that never studied or read about technology? For her, the way an iPad works is so far removed from her experience, that it is almost magic. She hasn't the slightest clue about what's inside an iPad and she has no understanding about how the underlying software works. For her, the only thing she knows is that it works. She doesn't have to know how it works. For her, the inside of the iPad is just "grey mist." The software in the iPad is just "grey mist." Her mind has no frame of reference for even conceptualizing about how the iPad works.
That is the Housewife-iPad factor.
And for many so-called "free energy researchers" and replicators, the Housewife-iPad factor comes into play. It's happening for this replication. BroMikey is seriously affected by the Housewife-iPad factor. Even Clarence is suffering from the Housewife-iPad factor. There is no demonstrated capability to understand or analyze this circuit.
For them it's like the blind leading the blind. For me it's like the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.
So, anybody that is considering doing a replication has to seriously consider all of these factors. And even more importantly Clarence has to answer the questions. Or just continue sleepwalking...
I got lazy on my power calculations and made a silly mistake. Adding the hypothetical synchronous "ground" voltage source in series with the inverter voltage source increases the current, which also means that the inverter power output has to increase also. My apologies and please see the corrected updated graphic.
@ MileHigh, TK, and All:
Well, that's interesting, that 276 watts is coming from the "ground" or from somewhere.
Or, coming from the surrounding ambient, as Tesla mentions, and GOING to ground, instead???
Here (below) is an interesting quote from my friend muDped at the Energetic forum,
with whom I fully agree with, (most of the time anyway). Except on some religious matters,
which we all are have a right to have an opinion on, and don't always need agree on, or disagree with what
we can't prove, as yet.
muDped,
quote:
"Most manifestations of anomalous energy have no
Scientific explanation and in fact come from a source
which Science is unable to deal with. Scientific
instruments are unable to measure it even though its
effects are plainly visible and often felt.
The vast majority are not ready to admit that the source
of this mysterious energy is from outside our physical realm."
end quote.
QuoteScientific
instruments are unable to measure it even though its
effects are plainly visible and often felt.
The vast majority are not ready to admit that the source
of this mysterious energy is from outside our physical realm.
Yeah but the problem is that it's taken for granted that you can measure the voltage at the load. Otherwise you may as well check into the loony bin.
If you can measure the voltage at the inverter, and you can measure the voltage at the load, then you sure as hell can measure the "free" voltage from somewhere. You just have to use your eyes and follow the wires.
Your friend's comment is a cop out.
Meanwhile another brain-buster from Clarence:
QuoteTHAT WAY each time A LOAD is placed on the output of the CAPTOR an incremental additional increase is added to the LOOP without quickly OVERHEATING IT!!!!!!
There is no "load" on the "output" of the captor. The captor doesn't even have an output.
Just more nonsense.
Maybe, but I can't read the voltage at the output of my current device, either. Nor devices like Kapanadze has shown.
So, WHAT are you going to measure? Current? Good luck.
I'm not working on a captor, but the yoke/grenade set up, instead. Still the illusive extra power must come from somewhere, for all the guys that have self runners.
Maybe you can explain how magnetic current can light bulbs, with no shocks to be felt, and over 1000 volts output, while lighting several 100w bulbs. Like I am sitting next to and tuning, in between my posts. Also Ruslan shows that you can touch the bulb connections with his hands while they are lighting.
I think that there is a relation between the workings of many of these free energy self running devices, which we STILL have not discovered. There may not be just voltage, current, and frequency, to it, and that's all.
NickZ, please point me to ONE free energy self running device.
MemoryMan:
You being a full member here, that question should be answered, but, no by me. I'm not qualified.
Check out Itsu's great series of videos trying all sorts of variations on Kapanadze. They all get no results. He tries implementing suggestions from the followers of the thread, and he gets no results.
The results he does get are for a regular transformer doing exactly what it is supposed to do. No more, no less. Reality compliments of Itsu.
NickZ, the status of membership here is a matter of # of posts; not knowledge.
Since you are the one making the statement that such devices exist, I would expect you to be able to point me to a real world example; years of searching on my part shows zero.
Quote from: memoryman on April 16, 2015, 11:27:51 PM
NickZ, the status of membership here is a matter of # of posts; not knowledge.
Since you are the one making the statement that such devices exist, I would expect you to be able to point me to a real world example; years of searching on my part shows zero.
The world still awaits the emergence of a genuine proven self-running device and as at this present point in time, these devices are manifest in wishful thinking, existing only in the minds of men.
Memoryman
Here's your meat...
Happening now At ICCF-19 and in Labs..work shops and benches the world over.[And Andrew Parkomov's kitchen ]
Alan Smith
Quote
The following article was written by Alan Smith who is reporting for E-Cat World at the ICCF Conference in Padua
Yesterday — Wednesday, April 15, during the course of a little light sight-seeing and a pleasant private lunch I had the chance to ask Dr. Alexander Parkhomov some technical questions about his replication of the Rossi E-Cat.
There has been quite a bit of discussion in various replication groups about the key ingredients required to operate an E-Cat successfully. The answer is simple: nickel in powder form, lithium aluminium hydride, and a "dirty" chopped AC waveform of the type obtained by using a thyristor controlled power supply. That is all. Regarding the use of iron in the reactor, AP said that it was not necessary to get a reaction; he has never used iron as an ingredient.
A thyristor power supply gives an oscilloscope trace similar to an interrupted sine wive. Even though the base frequency is only 50 or 60 c.p.s, such a system produces a broad range of harmonics. It is these multi-frequency harmonics which trigger the reactions.
So Nickel, LithiumAH and a noisy power supply is the trick. Parkhomov also uses 'super kanthal' wire for the heater coil. This may be just a Russianism for 'heavy duty wire' though. I also asked if there was any need to purge air from the reactor vessel – which of course is mostly oxygen and nitrogen etc. The answer was comforting. Purging makes no dfference that he knows of, and is not required. There may even be some water vapour present but this is not detrimental.
The inner reactor can be steel or alumina, though you need to get a high melting point non-magnetic steel. Alumina is simpler in many ways. The temperature needs to build up slowly – I heard this from other scientists at the conference too – to allow time for the hydrogen to be adsorbed into the nickel. Look at the timeline in AP's data for information on this.
The system begins to produce anomalous heat at around 4-500C (as far as can be determined) but starts to 'go critical' and produce a more rapid thermal output at around 600/700C. then the thermal output takes off until you reach around 1000C. At this point the reaction may go 'supercritical' with a very rapid temperature rise until the fuel melts at around 1450+ . Even this is not guaranteed to stop the LENR process and there is a possibility of containment meltdown. Best to keep the temperature in the lower zone, perhaps 800-900 C
As for pressure, the breakdown of LAH with the thermal expansion of the gas and 'ambient' air inside the reactor causes the pressure increase. Absorption of these gases by various parts of the system cause the pressure drop. The negative pressure data that he has reported is a mystery but might be caused by poor calibration of his pressure gauge.
We might speculate that slow application of heat at the beginning of the test allows time for the Nickel powder to adsorb the hydrogen fully. This also seems to be a theme of other experimenters' work. If you heat the newly-fuelled reactor too fast, you perhaps get a thin 'skin layer' of highly saturated nickel/LAH that may then inhibit the adsorption of hydrogen into the nickel matrix. This may then be the trigger for a 'flash bang' event. We might compare this runaway event to the effect of pouring Kerosene over a pile of logs and immediately throwing on a match. The slow heating is analogous to allowing the gasoline to soak into the logs for a while – you get a more controlled but still very hot burn.
A final comment. AP seems to me to be a quiet, gentlest and most genuine and kindly kind of chap. Not at all bombastic, he has stamina – as I found out yesterday – that belies his 70 years. A good and useful day here in Padua all round.
Alan Smith
Also this mention
The system begins to produce anomalous heat at around 4-500C (as far as can be determined) but starts to 'go critical' and produce a more rapid thermal output at around 600/700C. then the thermal output takes off until you reach around 1000C. At this point the reaction may go 'supercritical' with a very rapid temperature rise until the fuel melts at around 1450+ . Even this is not guaranteed to stop the LENR process and there is a possibility of containment meltdown. Best to keep the temperature in the lower zone, perhaps 800-900 C
Interesting, does not qualify any more (or less) as a OU/free energy device than a solar panel.
As it turns out, I have some ideas for LENR myself and hope to research that later this year.
We will be playing with Alexander Parkhomov's Work right here and elsewhere [in a dedicated thread] ,the average experimenter will be hard pressed to spend 50.Bucs when all is said and done.
would love for you and others to join in.
respectfully
Chet K
I'm not here to discuss what you are claiming (with no proof at all), to all the members here to be nothing but "fakes".
Hoppy, as well as you MemoryMan, and others can start your own thread to fully discuss to your hearts content, what you think does not work as is being shown, and why that is so. You are entitled to your opinions. But, we are also entitled to freely test and experiment for similar self running results, as in the Daly thread, and others, without having to deal with guys constantly telling us everything that was ever made into a self runner is faked.
I don't agree that the second Akula video device does not work as is shown, even when checked out for X wires, or other unseen input sources, by witnesses. I aim to prove it for myself, and I'll leave it at that, as that is enough for me, and I'm not concerned about your mentioning that there are no self running device, nor that there ever have been.
Sorry guys, but I'm working on these projects, and YOU are disturbing this thread with more BS, as far as I'm concerned.
No further comments for me about your ideas of what is faked. Enough time wasted on that theme already.
Nick Z
Quote
I'm not here to discuss what you are claiming (with no proof at all), to all the members here to be nothing but "fakes".
Hoppy, as well as you MemoryMan, and others can start your own thread to fully discuss to your hearts content, what you think does not work as is being shown, and why that is so. You are entitled to your opinions. But, we are also entitled to freely test and experiment for similar self running results, in this Daly thread, without having to deal with guys constantly telling us everything that was ever made into a self runner is faked. Who's side are you on??? Not on the one that I'm on...
I don't agree that the second Akula video device does not work as is shown, even when checked out for X wires, or other unseen input sources, by witnesses. I aim to prove it for myself, and I'll leave it at that, as that is enough for me, and I'm not concerned about your mentioning that there are no self running device, nor that there ever have been.
Sorry guys, but I'm working on this, and YOU are disturbing this thread with more BS, as far as I'm concerned.
No further comments for me about you ideas of what is faked. Enough time wasted on that theme already.
End Quote
Nick this is the Barbosi Thread
MileHigh:
I'm also quite familiar with all of Itsu's test on the Akula/Ruslan replications. Which were not an exact replication of any of the two mentioned devices. Just look at the bulbs that he used. Are they similar to what Akula is using, or Ruslan. No? Why not? If I use those same wattage bulbs I wouldn't be able to light those bulbs to anywhere close the same lumin levels as when using 100 watt bulbs, or even higher wattage bulbs. As mentioned previously, I burnt out a 150 watt bulb, while 40 to 60 watt bulbs are barely lighting.
I don't have all the answers, and I'm still working on it, but I do feel that there is a relation between this thread and the Dally thread.
I also feel that Itsu was very close to hitting on it, but instead of continuing on, he left it all up in the air, at least for now. I do wish that he would get back on that project, I do miss his input, and love his clean and tidy work.
Ramset:
Thanks, I've already corrected that error with my last edit. I saw it a bit later, and took care of it.
The question was to point Memory man to ANY self runner. Which I won't get into, and therefore my answer.
Sorry for any cross threading, but the idea is that there may be a relation in the workings involved by these various circuits.
Quote from: NickZ on April 17, 2015, 10:51:20 AM
MileHigh:
I'm also quite familiar with all of Itsu's test on the Akula/Ruslan replications. Which were not an exact replication of any of the two mentioned devices. Just look at the bulbs that he used. Are they similar to what Akula is using, or Ruslan. No? Why not? If I use those same wattage bulbs I wouldn't be able to light those bulbs to anywhere close the same lumin levels as when using 100 watt bulbs, or even higher wattage bulbs. As mentioned previously, I burnt out a 150 watt bulb, while 40 to 60 watt bulbs are barely lighting.
I don't have all the answers, and I'm still working on it, but I do feel that there is a relation between this thread and the Dally thread.
I also feel that Itsu was very close to hitting on it, but instead of continuing on, he left it all up in the air, at least for now. I do wish that he would get back on that project, I do miss his input, and love his clean and tidy work.
He didn't have the right
light bulb?? You have got to be kidding.
Quote from Ariovaldo:
QuoteYes, I will do some more tests even knowing that in the original equipment didn't work with the original owner and didn't work with me. The original owner had a good grounding system but I didn't see how was the tests and connections. When I tried, my grounding was not good like they use to ask for.
The excuse that Barbosa gave to the original owner was the inductance in the primary was not right. The inductance was 0.21 Henries and was suppose to be between 0.6 and 0.8 Henries as I told before.
I will give you a possible explanation for all of this. Barbosa and Leal are criminals. They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip. The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device. They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available. When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.
Then we have "Phase II." Clarence has some psychological issues and he loves telling big stories and being the center of attention. He can lie about all sorts of things, but when asked to produce hard data that's a line he can't cross. You see, there is "colourful story" lying which in his mind is not really lying at all, and then there is outright lying where you state that you ran tests and recorded hard data but that did not take place. So he can't psychologically cross that line and make an outright lie, hence he avoids the question.
Then you have a real victim, the EF user Totoalas that is going to buy grounding rods and travel in Asia to get parts for a replication. What if he is just a guy of modest means and this is sucking all his money away from his family? Most of the people on EF are reading here. I don't for a second believe that all of you believe Clarence. Yet not a single one of you is advising caution to Totoalas, or even telling him publicly on the EF thread that you don't believe that Clarence's system works. I will remind all of you that it's 100% clear to me that Clarence knows next to nothing about electronics. That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.
MileHigh
The questions are repeated again by Level on EF, will Clarence reply?
QuoteHello Clarence. No offense intended at all, but frankly, as I have mentioned before, all indications from what you have said previously here are that your system is not working as a self running device, so that is why I am throwing out some ideas, in case anyone who still wants to try to build and test with one of these setups wants to try some different arrangements to see if they can get the device to self run, since we don't really know how your own setup is actually performing.
You have actually provided very little test results information so far that anyone can look at to try to determine how your device is performing. If your setup was able to self run, I see no reason why you would not be willing to share some long term test results with everyone here, since all you would have to do is connect in a light bulb and then switch on the device and leave it running for 24 hours or more, while measuring the battery voltage periodically. Since you have so far ignored requests for such a simple test, I can only conclude that your setup doesn't self run. A simple test or two like this would help others here to see exactly how your setup performs in self loop mode for a reasonable duration of time. You should understand that until you provide these sort of performance details, there is no reason for anyone to think your setup is over unity.
So, it is not that people are not getting what you are saying. It is that you haven't provided important details about how your setup actually performs for anyone to try to assess if your device actually performs any better than if you just connect the battery and inverter alone to a light bulb and leave that running for a few hours. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif) People often make mistaken claims about free energy devices in these forums. We have probably all seen that many times. I am not saying I think you are definitely mistaken. I am saying that without you at least presenting some longer duration test results as described above, we have very little to go on. So that leaves you as just another guy saying he has a 'working' free energy device, but not giving anyone any practical test information that they can then evaluate.
Now, BroMikey or others, before you jump all over me, think about what I am saying. I don't think anything I am saying is too unreasonable at all. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/thinking.gif) For those of us who don't know Clarence personally, we have no way of evaluating what he is saying unless he at least provides some practical performance test results. That is just a fact of the situation of communicating in forums of this type. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/peaceflag.gif) Yes, Clarence could just make up some test results, but that is something we would have to look at and try to evaluate. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif)
(http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/cheers.gif) __________________
level
MarkS:
You talk a lot of fantasy world stuff on lots of threads, but on this thread I engaged with you. I followed up on your last big posting, but you would not reply and instead you ran away.
How about just answering this one:
MarkS: (o) I estimate that its absolute efficiency of the captor is only 1 to 2%
Me: What does efficiency mean here? If you don't define it it's meaningless.
Do you realize how abused the term "efficiency" is on the forums? How many hundreds of times have you read, "My pulse motor is very efficient?"
If people at least got it in their minds that that term has to have real meaning, then it would represent some progress.
So I ask you again, what do you mean when you state that you estimate the absolute efficiency of the captor is only 1% to 2%?
MileHigh
At 2:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time on Friday April 17th, Clarence is on EF, and the request for hard data that was made by Level (for the second or third time) was probably posted a few hours ago.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 17, 2015, 02:52:25 PM
At 2:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time on Friday April 17th, Clarence is on EF, and the request for hard data that was made by Level (for the second or third time) was probably posted a few hours ago.
Just because his computer is logged on doesn't mean he is there .. some people do the same with their TV and never watch it. .. sounds to many of us as if you're having a melt-down because you are being ignored.
Quote from: ramset on April 17, 2015, 10:29:02 AM
Nick this is the Barbosi Thread
and here I thought this was the
Barbosa and Leal thread. ;)
Not that anyone could tell either way at this point... ;D
All the best...
Well I don't know the parameters for EF but chances are if you are logged on and show no keyboard activity for XX minutes you are automatically logged out. I posted the graphic to rub it in and put Clarence on the spot, and some of the people around Clarence on the spot.
Ha ha to your ignorant comment. Ignoring stuff like presenting credible data is a mainstream activity on all of the free energy forums. Right now it's a commonly accepted practice. That's why my comments get ignored. If enough people show some spine and ask for real data, that could change. Clarence can put up or shut up, or there is probably just as good a chance that he will simply disappear.
Citfta:
QuoteOh my! level, you have done it now! You dared to ask for some proof a device does what it is claimed it does. Haven't you learned by now you can't do that on this forum? I can now predict exactly what will happen next. Instead of getting an answer about the technical questions you have raised you will be attacked on a personal level. Oh, sorry about the pun. It wasn't intended. But I have learned that when someone on here can't or doesn't want to answer a technical question they resort to personal attacks instead. That always makes me wonder what they are trying to hide. Are they hiding the fact they don't really know the answer or do they know but don't want anyone else to know because the answer is not good.
Good luck on getting a real answer. And remember when the personal attacks get boring, like the ranting of a 5 year old, you can always use the ignore button.
Sincerely,
Carroll
BroMikey:
QuoteI am not offended, just wondering how you can equate your evaluation
of Clarence statement that his machine is a "self runner" as misinformation.
.
Let's look at the data PLUS your statements. Your statement demands Clarence do other things that you think are absent in a way that has called him basically a liar.
.
Fact three, each time you do this Clarence does not respond to you.
Are we catching on yet? Clarence is the authority here. You are challenging
that authority, okay fine. You want Clarence to show more data because otherwise you don't believe him.
Now I ask you, if you were the one giving this gift to your fellow experimenter friends and Clarence came along calling your gift a lie,
would you favor him? Would you go out of your way to see to it that even after the insults, that Clarence be treated as a special student?
.
Okay IF Clarence did run 4-5hrs off his system and IF it is a self runner I need more data. Do you listen to yourself?
I am not worried about Clarence, he is a real man so fire your questions
but for goodness sakes listen to yourselves so you can talk rigth next time.
.
What about it Clarence? Can you offer this young man any words of wisdom?
Quote from: Void on April 17, 2015, 03:34:12 PM
and here I thought this was the Barbosa and Leal thread. ;)
Not that anyone could tell either way at this point... ;D
All the best...
At this point anybody is welcome to contribute to this thread, just like they always have been. My technical points have been made, do you have any comments about them? Wasn't it A.King25 that said there was a good technical discussion going on? (That's open to interpretation.)
I am going to say something that I will admit beforehand is quite a bit of a stretch. However, there is a kernel of truth to what I am going to say. Did you hear about the beating at the Brooklyn Flatbush McDonald's and how nobody tried to stop the fight and the girl was on the ground getting her head kicked in and nobody tried to stop it? In this day and age we can see clips of people being assaulted all the time, and very often nobody does anything. Sitting by and saying nothing while somebody makes a fake pitch with laughable electronics quackery in oder to take advantage of other people is related to the nasty stories we see in the news every day. Mile Brady drives a Lamborghini and for all you know some gullible person coughed up all of their life savings to pay for just a piece of that Lamborghini. There is a connection between the Clarence situation, Mike Brady, and standing around and watching a girl being beaten by thugs and saying nothing.
On the technical side, I am willing to bet you that Clarence, BroMikey, and the majority of people on the OU and the EF thread had no clue whatsoever that if the system was truly over unity and "power was coming up from the ground," then, by definition, the output voltage would have to be higher than the 120 VAC output of the inverter. That's because many people are not willing to look at the schematic and put their brains in gear and try to analyze it - they just accept what they are spoon-fed like sheep.
MileHigh
Hmm you keep mentioning my posts....
Well this is just for you:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/fep01.htm
a.king21: so, where is a device that I can buy to produce significant electricity, 15 years after the article?
If someone is adamant that the captor system can not work. I suggest that they build a version in the laboratory
where they use a high wattage dummy load resistance and a variac power supply to be the varying array input signal.
When wired correctly the various device input signals will slowly track voltage rises and current signals will match the
demand as translated from the battery charger and the inverter.
Approximate Goal to wire captor correctly...
If one inserts a ground system of the type that Clarence has into a utility ground
return path, one should expect *something* will happen. One would not expect
"nothing" to happen. That is some voltage and some current, i.e. some power,
at the internal impedance of the ground array will make itself available from the
array. By using a purpose built self adjusting ferrite transformer (aka ferorresonant
transformer) the circuit attached can become a (a)voltage regulator that is hold its
internal voltages relatively constant while the internal devices (battery charger + inverter)
can set their input current based on a function of their internal need. and (b) a mixer
that can modulate the 60hz reference signal carrier from the inverter onto slower
voltage waveform signals being received from the ground array independent of
source (telluric vs utility tail power) and can use these simultaneously if available.
I doubt if Clarence designed his successful captor but there are so few components
that a evolutionary circuit design could easily have taken place.
.S.MarkSCoffman
Quote from: NickZ on April 16, 2015, 06:49:05 PM
@ MileHigh, TK, and All:
Well, that's interesting, that 276 watts is coming from the "ground" or from somewhere.
Or, coming from the surrounding ambient, as Tesla mentions, and GOING to ground, instead???
Here (below) is an interesting quote from my friend muDped at the Energetic forum,
with whom I fully agree with, (most of the time anyway). Except on some religious matters,
which we all are have a right to have an opinion on, and don't always need agree on, or disagree with what
we can't prove, as yet.
muDped,
quote:
"Most manifestations of anomalous energy have no
Scientific explanation and in fact come from a source
which Science is unable to deal with. Scientific
instruments are unable to measure it even though its
effects are plainly visible and often felt.
The vast majority are not ready to admit that the source
of this mysterious energy is from outside our physical realm."
end quote.
That's pretty funny.
So "Science" is unable to deal with this "manifestation of anomalous energy", but an amateur pounding stakes into the ground and kludging together a couple thousand dollars worth of off-the-shelf inverters, chargers, and ferrite cores wound into a nonsensical configuration _can_ not only detect and deal with it, but can power his home with it?
That gets a ROFL for sure. Clearly written by someone who has only a straw-man idea of what "Science" _actually_ is and how it works.
Quote from: ramset on April 17, 2015, 10:20:39 AM
We will be playing with Alexander Parkhomov's Work right here and elsewhere [in a dedicated thread] ,the average experimenter will be hard pressed to spend 50.Bucs when all is said and done.
would love for you and others to join in.
respectfully
Chet K
Let me remind you that Lithium Aluminum Hydride (LiAlH
4) is not only dangerous to work with (when it contacts water, or even moisture in the air, it rapidly evolves lots of hydrogen and lots of heat....) but also is a _Special Surveillance List chemical_ in the USA, monitored by the DEA since it is commonly used as a reducing agent in the manufacture of many illegal drugs.
Order some from a supplier, and you may get it (but not usually shipped to a residential address) but for absolute sure you will get put onto a watch list and you and your work will be very carefully watched from that point on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEA_list_of_chemicals
Nick,
Go careful. You're sparring with giants on this thread without a sling!
A.King21:
Throwing up a link for an unrelated circuit from 16 years ago has nothing to do with this thread at all and does not advance your point of view at all. What's relevant is how I showed that the captor is a useless device that does nothing but burn off power and has no output and does not drive a load, contrary to what Clarence has stated. Likewise I showed how if "power comes up from the ground" then it had better be "smart power that comes up from the ground" because it has to be synchronous with the inverter and should be a sine wave. The last time I looked the "ground" was just pulverized rocks and dead organic material and lots of bacteria. The last time I looked two sets of copper rods in the ground form a near short circuit and it's impossible for a near short circuit to magically become a source of high-voltage potential difference with the capability to output power.
If you want to discuss any of these technical issues please go ahead.
MarkS:
QuoteIf someone is adamant that the captor system can not work. I suggest that they build a version in the laboratory
How many times have you read that
the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of the claimant, and
not on the people that don't believe the claimant? 50? 100? 150?
Like really, WTF man?
Meanwhile, you completely ignored my second request to you to define "efficiency" when you talk about the captor.
MileHigh
Reality check time.
Some people having a giant ego is not the same as being a giant.
Some people stating the most obvious things over and over as if what they are saying are great profound revelations, is actually just run of the mill trolling.
Some people imagining they are saving the world with their constant trolling and thread derailing attempts, is not really saving the world at all, no matter how much they may try to make them self believe it. ;)
All the best...
Quote from: Void on April 18, 2015, 11:15:19 AM
Reality check time.
Some people having a giant ego is not the same as being a giant.
Some people stating the most obvious things over and over as if what they are saying are great profound revelations, is actually just run of the mill trolling.
Some people imagining they are saving the world with their constant trolling and thread derailing attempts, is not really saving the world at all, no matter how much they may try to make them self believe it. ;)
All the best...
You are FOS.
If you have an issue with me just say it and stop being pretentious. Each one of your points about me is crap, you just want to play the role of the "groovy and cool 'free energy supporting and enabling guy.''"
You are the one that is stroking your ego saying, "look at how cool I am in my wannabe 'wise man' persona."
Dang man... :o
;D
Meanwhile back on EF BroMonkey is in full sycophant overdrive mode for Clarence, which is 'enabling' Clarence to get away with brushing off Level's requests for supporting data. That thread is being screwed up by that dynamic.
Quote from: Void on April 18, 2015, 11:24:12 AM
Dang man... :o
;D
Get your box of Kleenex out, oh so cool and groovy !great one.
Quote from: mscoffman on April 18, 2015, 09:18:01 AM
If someone is adamant that the captor system can not work. I suggest that they build a version in the laboratory
where they use a high wattage dummy load resistance and a variac power supply to be the varying array input signal.
When wired correctly the various device input signals will slowly track voltage rises and current signals will match the
demand as translated from the battery charger and the inverter.
Approximate Goal to wire captor correctly...
If one inserts a ground system of the type that Clarence has into a utility ground
return path, one should expect *something* will happen. One would not expect
"nothing" to happen. That is some voltage and some current, i.e. some power,
at the internal impedance of the ground array will make itself available from the
array. By using a purpose built self adjusting ferrite transformer (aka ferorresonant
transformer) the circuit attached can become a (a)voltage regulator that is hold its
internal voltages relatively constant while the internal devices (battery charger + inverter)
can set their input current based on a function of their internal need. and (b) a mixer
that can modulate the 60hz reference signal carrier from the inverter onto slower
voltage waveform signals being received from the ground array independent of
source (telluric vs utility tail power) and can use these simultaneously if available.
I doubt if Clarence designed his successful captor but there are so few components
that a evolutionary circuit design could easily have taken place.
.S.MarkSCoffman
-----------------------
I would say that sounds quite reasonable, and as for 'evolutionary (design) development', that is exactly what Clarence claims. .. I really can't imagine any of the nay-sayers attempting to disprove the captor by getting 'hands-on'
.
Quote from: skribat on April 18, 2015, 12:04:53 PM
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I would say that sounds quite reasonable, and as for 'evolutionary (design) development', that is exactly what Clarence claims. .. I really can't imagine any of the nay-sayers attempting to disprove the captor by getting 'hands-on'
.
I can't imagine that either...and why would they? Why would someone that knows for a fact that this can't work, waste time and money to build something that can't work? That would, of course, be stupid.
Let me ask you this: Have you ever stuck your hand into a running blender? No? Why not? Is it because you KNOW what would happen and therefore you don't have to TRY it to find out?
Well, this is exactly the same thing. Most folks here KNOW that this will not work and therefore, do not have to build it to find out.
Very simple really.
Also, as mentioned above, and hundreds of times on this forum in various topic areas, the burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claims, not the other way around. Trying to reverse this logical approach also makes no sense.
Bill
Quote from: a.king21 on April 18, 2015, 07:36:57 AM
Hmm you keep mentioning my posts....
Well this is just for you:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/fep01.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/fep01.htm)
Let's see if it has everything an electrical OU device needs:
Battery... check.
Colored clipleads... check.
Misuse of measurement concepts... double check.
But wait... where are the DMMs? No check there, analog meters with slow time constants are used.
But wait some more.... there are oscilloscope results cited! Note the waffling, and read carefully to extract the _actual data_ on input vs. output power:
Note well: According to JLN's own measurements the device is being fed with 3.6-3.8 Watts DC power, and is delivering 0.801 Watts "RMS" to the load. Ignoring for the moment that "RMS Watts" is an improper measurement... just where is the evidence for OU, where is the evidence for Free Electrons coming in from anywhere?
Now, if the bulb stayed lit up when the switch is opened, that would get some attention, wouldn't it....
;)
Quote from: skribat on April 18, 2015, 12:04:53 PM
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I would say that sounds quite reasonable, and as for 'evolutionary (design) development', that is exactly what Clarence claims. .. I really can't imagine any of the nay-sayers attempting to disprove the captor by getting 'hands-on'
.
I'll tell you what. You buy the parts and send them to me, and I'll do a complete and full and honest test and evaluation for you and report it here. For free, no charge to you, for the testing and evaluation. And if it works as Clarence claims, "self running" on power from the ground, I'll reimburse you for your outlay. (That will be easy because soon I'll be rich.... IF it works as claimed.)
When should I expect a kit of parts and supplies coming from you? (PM me for my shipping address and tell me when to expect the parts. Please do not use UPS, they have a bad reputation with me. FedEx will be fine.)
Now what can you really "imagine"? I "imagine" that you will not agree to my proposal. Why not? I know why not ... and so do you.
(And let's not forget about Ariovaldo's experience.)
Evolutionary design development? You must mean ditching the non-contacting few loops of insulated wire around one of the other wires, and making it actually connect to something instead. Since that's basically the only difference between the original B&L patent claims, and what Clarence is claiming. Yep, that's evolutionary all right.
When I first started reading this stuff around six or seven years ago, I read JLN's material when it was linked to. I noticed that several times he had to backtrack where he released a report and a few days later he had to retract it because of a mistake or mistakes. I may have read through four or five complete reports, and I was not impressed. I haven't really looked at JLN since, but that's my take on him. He has the "mechanics" in place to generate what look like serious reports, but the content in the reports is the problem. I can't say anything about the past five years and if he has improved or not.
It's sort of like the "white van speaker scam." Big box, crap inside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaV-3Cjx8o8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaV-3Cjx8o8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3B_KKyntQE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3B_KKyntQE)
E-cat Андре Росси повторен российскими учеными!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS1rYTiZz1o
Обсуждение доклада Пархомова Александра Георгиевича, сделанного на семинаре в РУДН "Холодный ядерный синтез и шаровая молния" от 25 декабря 2014 года.
Магниты. Второе магнитное поле Николаева -1.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTq1VNMyLYQ
Солнечная батарея ночью_2.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/v=NMco_a284RU
ps: Hello Chet K. Any heavy rains at your place in Connecticut ??
ps2: I have heard recently - LockedMartin stared production of Rossi E-Cat OU-generator but as always not for Public release - only for military and Governement.
Reg.
Enjoykin
Please note that the E-Cat is not an OU generator, it's supposed to be a design that is a nuclear generator. The jury is still out and although there are observed anomalies, there is no definitive proof yet. Look it up for more information.
There are plenty of threads discussing LENR/Cold Fusion/Rossi. This is not one of them.
I updated the CAD schematic again and added the dots to the two toroidal transformers. The dots are configured to show maximum AC current in the secondaries of the transformers.
I may not have mentioned this before in a definitive way so I will mention it here.
Look at the secondary captor loop. What do you see? You can see that the current will be very high, but what else do you see?
What you should see is that effectively both of the toroidal transformers have short-circuited secondaries.
What use is a transformer with a shorted out secondary?
The answer is that the only use is as a glorified heater, because the only thing it is doing is burning off the power that is being fed into the primary. The primary and secondary windings of both transformers will have high AC current going through them. That means the big 4 AWG wire will have high current going through it. The whole assembly is just one big fat resistor.
The pair of toroidal transformers look like one big AC short-circuit to the inverter. Therefore my assumption is that this will put a moderate to heavy amount of strain on the inverter output.
That's why I suggested that Clarence or any other replicators put a Kill-a-Watt meter between the inverter output and the primary inputs of the pair of toroidal transformers to measure how much inverter power is being burned off and converted into heat in the captor.
In fact, you should scope the inverter output to see if it is even capable of driving the short-circuited pair of toroidal transformers. The waveform output from the inverter may "buckle" under the strain of driving the two toroids.
The whole thing about the "captor" looks like ridiculous electronics quackery.
Also, even if the dots are configured so that you have "fighting EMFs" instead of "adding EMFs" you can expect that there is still going to be a mismatch between the two EMFs.
The net result from two slightly mismatched "fighting EMFs?"
The answer is that you will still have high currents in the secondary and the captor will still look like an AC short circuit and act like a glorified resistor.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 18, 2015, 04:49:29 PM
I updated the CAD schematic again and added the dots to the two toroidal transformers. The dots are configured to show maximum AC current in the secondaries of the transformers.
I may not have mentioned this before in a definitive way so I will mention it here.
Look at the secondary captor loop. What do you see? You can see that the current will be very high, but what else do you see?
What you should see is that effectively both of the toroidal transformers have short-circuited secondaries.
What use is a transformer with a shorted out secondary?
The answer is that the only use is as a glorified heater, because the only thing it is doing is burning off the power that is being fed into the primary. ..
Hi ,
A shorted transformer could be more use than a "glorified heater". without heating..... but if you say so ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFpsK6EMPQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoc_9h4vCKs
MileHigh@
Output should be more than 3kW. So this analysis is worth nothing,
if you wont to get some results, then change the perspective. This is not accurate. Maybe in your thoughts. Maybe you are unconsciously avoiding some important things, or you're just not aware, or something. A guess you just analyze this, without any practical approach. So it's imagination. But in wrong direction , if I may say.
Einstein once said: "Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand."
For that I give him a credit. Though he made mistakes in other important things.
With all due respect
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on April 18, 2015, 05:06:03 PM
Hi ,
A shorted transformer could be more use than a "glorified heater". without heating..... but if you say so ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFpsK6EMPQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFpsK6EMPQM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoc_9h4vCKs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoc_9h4vCKs)
Nelson, I tried to watch your clip but honestly I was very tired. Your clips have no narration and but they have text annotation. What are you trying to show in your clips? Did the setup you showed have any relation to this thread?
How about you write a few paragraphs in here where you explain what you did, and what your results were, and what your conclusions were? If you have a point to make that is relevant I am certainly willing to listen to it.
Also, if you are not comfortable writing in English, then make a posting in Portuguese. Everyone can then use their favourite translation software to translate it into English.
Quote from: padova on April 18, 2015, 05:11:09 PM
MileHigh@
Output should be more than 3kW. So this analysis is worth nothing,
if you wont to get some results, then change the perspective. This is not accurate. Maybe in your thoughts. Maybe you are unconsciously avoiding some important things, or you're just not aware, or something. A guess you just analyze this, without any practical approach. So it's imagination. But in wrong direction , if I may say.
Padova, the same thing applies to you. What are you trying to say? What is your point? Are you discussing this circuit or something else? What output are you talking about?
Please just present your ideas in a clear and succinct fashion, make it very clear what you are talking about, and I will try to comment.
Here is a very generic comment for all of you:
Let's say we are talking about "Circuit A." Someone makes "Point #1" about "Circuit A."
Then someone comes along and says "Look at my 'Circuit B' and I am making "Point #2.'"
Is there any connection between Circuit A and Point #1 and Circuit B and Point #2?
If there is no connection then you are making a nonsensical posting.
EUREKA!!!!
Friends, we finally have it!!!!!!!!!!!!
The self running ...
...thread !
Quote from: MileHigh on April 18, 2015, 04:24:54 PM
Please note that the E-Cat is not an OU generator, it's supposed to be a design that is a nuclear generator. The jury is still out and although there are observed anomalies, there is no definitive proof yet. Look it up for more information.
Dear MH as usual you are a little behind the curve .. Controlling interest in the E-Cat Rossi device has now been sold to 'Industrial Heat' it has been independently tested for a continuous period of 32 days and found to produce energy in the order of one magnitude .. you won't have too much difficulty verifying this.
Quote from: skribat on April 19, 2015, 03:23:53 AM
Dear MH as usual you are a little behind the curve .. Controlling interest in the E-Cat Rossi device has now been sold to 'Industrial Heat' it has been independently tested for a continuous period of 32 days and found to produce energy in the order of one magnitude .. you won't have too much difficulty verifying this.
"as usual you are a little behind the curve"
Really? Please go ahead and cite three recent references where I am "behind the curve like usual." If you can't then why are you saying that?
Take a look at reply #1627 above. Is there anything that you can learn from that posting? Was I discussing anything related to the issue of the controlling interest in the E-Cat? You notice that I wasn't, so why are you even talking about that?
From what I can see jury on the E-Cat is still out. If it was definitively proven technology then it would be major mainstream world news, just like the Pons and Fleischmann announcement in 1989. That's hasn't happened yet.
I don't know if there is much more to say here on the technical side of things.
It's the same old cliche, it's the same old problem. The people on the EF thread are obsessing on the details of where to get toroids and what wire gage to use, while completely ignoring having a rational discussion about how the thing is actually supposed to work (or not work.) The design is electrical quackery, but that fact is being completely ignored on EF. Like usual, the main proponents barely have an understanding of electronics including Clarence. BroMikey has no clue about the dot convention for transformers.
If anybody tries to build this, chances are it will take quite a while considering all the digging you have to do. Of course, any replications will not work, and all the enthusiasts will scratch their heads and try things like changing number of turns, changing the wire gage, trying different toroids, trying different grounding rod arrangements, etc.
And in the face of all of this there are readers that are upset that the circuit and it's lack of merits is being discussed here. Even though you can suspect that they have a very shaky feeling about the whole thing, they would seemingly prefer a happy pseudo discussion just like is going on on the EF thread. So many people don't want to face the issues head on, and they would rather fantasize about it working and be comfortably numb. They also want to ignore the time and money that somebody else will have to spend to prove that it doesn't work.
I expect it will all fizzle out by this fall and by that time nobody will care.
Or, they can read this thread and drop the project before you even start and put your time and money and efforts into a better project that actually might work.
The sad thing is that Clarence himself is not a bad guy, he is just a victim of the B&L con himself. His problem is that he refuses to run the setup long enough to discharge the battery. Assume in the back of his mind he really knows that the battery will go flat. But doing that will take all his fun away, so he stubbornly sticks to his guns and lives out the illusion. All that he is really doing when he does that is draw more victims into the B&L con. In that sense Clarence is not a good guy.
It's incredible how the same pattern keeps repeating itself over and over. Daniel Nunez has no clue how a coil worlds. John Rohner had no clue what he was doing and it was all bluff. Wayne Travis could not discuss hydraulic systems any better than a 14-year-old. Clarence has almost no clue what he is doing and is relying on bluff and his new main sycophant.
MH how much they pay you to write all day in this forum? Just wondering what is your job if you have so much free time to write here all day. You lost so many time to write here you could go visit Clarence instead to test. What is your problem that there will be people to invest 2k for parts? Think this is their problem not yours. Why don't you write in Daly and Akula topics also. Their replications are far more costly than Clarence's. It's just so anoying to read your whinings so often.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 18, 2015, 06:54:41 PM
Nelson, I tried to watch your clip but honestly I was very tired. Your clips have no narration and but they have text annotation. What are you trying to show in your clips? Did the setup you showed have any relation to this thread?
How about you write a few paragraphs in here where you explain what you did, and what your results were, and what your conclusions were? If you have a point to make that is relevant I am certainly willing to listen to it.
Also, if you are not comfortable writing in English, then make a posting in Portuguese. Everyone can then use their favourite translation software to translate it into English.
Ok , Just wanted to show you that a closed loop can not only have the effect of a resistance in a "transformer", and an shorted transformer can be more than a "glorified resistor" .
Maybe the loop secondary in barbosa circuit is not only a resistor ;) but a manner of put the core in saturation mode
You know why some ac motors uses a closed copper loop around the nucleus?
is certainly not to make a resistance :) but to make the start of rotor easy and why ?
Certainly you now why.
You did not want people to contribute in the discussion instead of being seated?
Notice that although if you think it is absolutely ridiculous this circuit and the way others are trying to test, you are the person with more intervention in this topic.
You know something that people who are interested in this topic may not know?
If you do not know, and strongly assumes that circuit is impossible to work, why you lose your time trying to justify something that does not have 100% sure?
If your intention was to show that money was misspent, I think I've cues you clear your opinion.
Thanks
Quote from: MileHigh on April 18, 2015, 04:24:54 PM
Please note that the E-Cat is not an OU generator, it's supposed to be a design that is a nuclear generator. The jury is still out and although there are observed anomalies, there is no definitive proof yet. Look it up for more information.
Listen MileHigh !!
MONEY TALK AND MONEY WRITE - NOT YOU !! Am i right MileHigh ?? :D
I see you can't differentiate among cold fusion Rossi reactor and nuclear fusion reactor. Better inform yourself before claim anything.!!
About Russian Rossi replication:
Rossi E-CAT was succesfully replicated by Russian team in 2014, after 1 month of testing they have got COP = 3.6 at temperature 1400
o and COP=3.2 at 1250
o. All info were recorded in real time 31 days. No beta decay found during time test, no deuterium at input /output (result of cold fusion reaction). Only transformation of natural
6Li to
7Li and
58Ni to
62Ni with big ammount of released energy COP=3.2 and 3.6 times more than input. Fuel was 1gramme of
58Ni plus
6LiAlH
4 in proportion
58Ni (90%) +
6Li[AlH4] (10%). To initiate reaction temperature must be higher than 1100
o. Intrinsic preassure in reactor was about 50 atmosphere.
SO BE FINE AND STOP FLOODING THIS THREAD !! YOU SUCCEED TO OVERTHROW MANY NICE AND INTELLIGENT PEOPLE HERE and FLOODED THREAD WITH OWN SPECULATIONS WITHOUT ANY PROOF OR HEALTHY LOGIC.
TELL US THE TRUTH - DO YOU STILL ON OBAMA'S PAY LIST ?? I THINK YOU STILL WORKING HARD FOR U.S. GOVERNEMENT TO STOP SPREADING FREE ENERGY AND SAFE ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES !!
Who wll buy oil and gas? Who will pay Obama's Green Narcotics care (free selling on streets) ?? Who will going war for coal, oil, gas resources - if all people have free energy ?? Who will sell GMO products if all people make own fresh and healthy food ?? And so......
Download and read:
Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a Rossi reactor device Version3
http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913v3
or better make own Rossi replication !!
Reg.
Enjoykin
Nelson:
So your example has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.
Enjoykin:
I don't follow LENR, and it has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.
Anybody is welcome to contribute to this thread. You can forget your "OU poster conspiracy theories" also.
All:
What if I say to you that the government is lying to you?
I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.
What if I say to you that the big corporations are lying to you?
I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.
What if I say to you that Barbosa and Leal are lying to you?
Oh..... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.
What if I say to you that Clarence is lying to you?
Oh.... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.
Okay, not all of you become sheep, but some of you clearly become sheep.
I am offended that Barbosa and Leal are liars. I am offended that poor Clarence is a liar and can't admit that he never made a long-term test of his replication, and now he plays the "guru that doesn't know how to tie his own shoes."
And I feel dismay that very few people around here are able to have an honest discussion about the merits or the lack of merits for a given free energy proposition. Even people with very basic electronics skills should be able to recognize how silly and stupid it is to have a device that includes two short-circuited toroidal transformers.
So I made my points about this silly project and had a serious technical discussion about it. Nobody has tried to argue my technical points at all.
So let's all sit back and watch the people struggle with their replication attempts while Clarence struggles and tries to navigate himself through a world of electronics he knows very little about. Clarence is just a victim of Barbosa and Leal, pretending he knows what he is doing, and ultimately creating more victims when people try to replicate his unproven nonsense.
This is a classic case of reality being stranger than fiction.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on April 19, 2015, 01:16:13 PM
Nelson:
So your example has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.
You think that has nothing to do with the B & L circuit because basically you have a circuit idea in your head so you do not understand ...
But i will not waste time with you because you do not need to.
You say things, and then when someone argues say that is off topic lol
You affirm that a closed loop in the secondary of the transformer was not more than one resistance or am I invent?.
And in the B & L circuit loop that would only behave as a resistance useless, you're the one that you claim you!
After that point you want to be? The talk alone to try to convince others of your beliefs? Or leave the topic proceeding smoothly as it should be happening instead of pass to be center of attention for all the wrong reasons.
thank you
Nelson,
Please go ahead and explain to all of us how you believe that the B&L circuit works. Discuss the input, the output, and the mechanism for producing free energy. Please tell us what the pair of toroidal transformers is supposed to do in the circuit.
MileHigh
I think that MileHigh has a point. And that until more proof is shown, especially by members of this forum,
it may be better for everyone to just wait and see what results will actually be obtained in the future. As I doubt we've heard the last of Barboza, Leal, or anyone else, with replications or similar projects. Or, some jail time... if his magic box is just a hoax.
However, they didn't need to use all those expensive ground rods.
Good advice: To not go buying all those rods, and placing them in the back yard, just YET.
Time will tell, it always does.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 19, 2015, 01:50:31 PM
Nelson,
Please go ahead and explain to all of us how you believe that the B&L circuit works. Discuss the input, the output, and the mechanism for producing free energy. Please tell us what the pair of toroidal transformers is supposed to do in the circuit.
MileHigh
I talk about this subjects months ago , and put diagram and videos and so on ,and i talk a little bite on some posts ago too.
I will not talk about Clearance circuit because this topic is not about Clearance circuit.
I only will resume because as you see my english is a bit bad .:)
1- The current measured in loop that is show in videos B&L is not any power gain.
If the loop have to many turns it will heat like you say , but if the loop are correct it will not even warm.
It will be used only to saturate the toroidal core. If you have some Gauss Measure instrument you will see that correct loop will maintain the core with high magnetic flux . This is only a saturable reactor with feedback. With some diodes you get a Mag amp.
About this circuit generate free energy :
I say to many time that original circuit have some bad interpretations and people need to read all the patents associated at B&L patent.
But basically in my circuit tests i only see a improvement not free energy. A reach a 80% less consumption in inductive loads to 50% by resistive loads.Many people in this forum merely say that simply the meter was wrong and I was stealing electricity power grid :)
I decided to go to study the effect of circuit on DC away from the power grid.
But actually i know i´m not wrong because with DC i achieve very good results in my tests.
So, for me is interesting see the results of Clarence :) and for much people:) seems to .
I have been able to see and test that there are several ways to get the same main "objective" .
So many inventors report the same results but with other configurations .
Basically has all to do with all matters of conversion efficiency.
I think this circuit is not a generator , only a converter or a "pump" .
Energy is free in Nature but the conversions process not :).
I will not talk much more , because if you have interest you can search the old posts to see what i think about other things like the input and output in circuit .
Thanks
Quote from: MileHigh on April 18, 2015, 11:14:32 AM
Meanwhile, you completely ignored my second request to you to define "efficiency" when you talk about the captor.
MileHigh
Sorry for the delay on getting back to you,
Ok, my take on the efficiency of the captor. First, I wanted to show that Barbosa and Leal
are not "green warriors", if you will, because there is no way that a suburban housing
development could each house have an operable ground array captor supplying
its power. The captor is an elite power unit as it were.
Secondly, I wanted to show you, that even the transformer version of the captor is not
that efficient so a resistive version could be made to work. The is typical of a set of
devices known as a ballasted electronic circuits. Meaning the internal impedance of a
circuit is being used as an advantage towards operation of the device as a whole even
though steps were never take to reduce the devices internal impedance.
The captor has to at times step up voltage between 1 or 2 to 100 so I use those numbers
as 1 or 2 percent. The whole population of users electrons supports the a single users
captor electron adaptation adjustment. I agree that numbers are somewhat hokey
but my belief is that some kind of estimate is better than no estimate at all.
..S..MarkSCoffman
Nelson:
Some quotes from you:
Quotei only see a improvement not free energy
Quotei did my own tests to months ago , is not a overunity circuit like people want
So you agree that this thing doesn't work. What is the reason for even building it then?
In some of your posts I think you are stating that this device could act like a power factor corrector. So what!? There are already power factor correctors that you can purchase.
I have a comment for you about this:
QuoteA reach a 80% less consumption in inductive loads to 50% by resistive loads.
You have to learn to be scientific. To say "50% less consumption by resistive loads" does not make any sense. You have to discuss input and output parameters and all of your voltage, current, phase, and power in and power output measurements if you want to make sense. Or something similar to that.
Like I already posted, the phrase, "My pulse motor is very efficient" is total bullshit because the efficiency is not being defined.
Everyone needs to learn to present data in a credible, logical, and comprehensible manner. And that especially applies to the replicators of Clarence's version of the B&L system on the Energetic Forum.
MileHigh
Quote from: mscoffman on April 19, 2015, 04:16:21 PM
Sorry for the delay on getting back to you,
Ok, my take on the efficiency of the captor. First, I wanted to show that Barbosa and Leal
are not "green warriors", if you will, because there is no way that a suburban housing
development could each house have an operable ground array captor supplying
its power. The captor is an elite power unit as it were.
Secondly, I wanted to show you, that even the transformer version of the captor is not
that efficient so a resistive version could be made to work. The is typical of a set of
devices known as a ballasted electronic circuits. Meaning the internal impedance of a
circuit is being used as an advantage towards operation of the device as a whole even
though steps were never take to reduce the devices internal impedance.
The captor has to at times step up voltage between 1 or 2 to 100 so I use those numbers
as 1 or 2 percent. The whole population of users electrons supports the a single users
captor electron adaptation adjustment. I agree that numbers are somewhat hokey
but my belief is that some kind of estimate is better than no estimate at all.
..S..MarkSCoffman
Well, you actually did not define efficiency at all, and I barely can make any sense of what you just posted.
We can leave it at that.
QuoteOh well now that I see it a picture is worth a thousand words. The way i
explain it now in words is like this.
Stand the two toroids upward as shown in the diagram. Starting on the far left side of the first toroid go to the top going behind the core first and then around toward the front in the CW (Clockwise) rotation winding direction going downward to the bottom where the winding stops. This winding is approx 180 degrees of the circle.
Now moving over to the other half of this first toroid core use a 4awg
wire starting from the upper portion of the right side where no winding
is present. Going behind the core again coming back around in the CCW (Counter Clockwise) looking straight down on the standing cores.
If I sound like babbling fool I completely understand. It really does take
time to wrap your head around this. It feels good to know I do understand.
BroMikey..... Just surrender yourself to the power of the dots.....
Repeat after me:
The power of the dots....
The power of the dots....
The power of the dots....
Quote from: MileHigh on April 19, 2015, 04:28:16 PM
Nelson:
Some quotes from you:
So you agree that this thing doesn't work. What is the reason for even building it then?
In some of your posts I think you are stating that this device could act like a power factor corrector. So what!? There are already power factor correctors that you can purchase.
I have a comment for you about this:
You have to learn to be scientific. To say "50% less consumption by resistive loads" does not make any sense. You have to discuss input and output parameters and all of your voltage, current, phase, and power in and power output measurements if you want to make sense. Or something similar to that.
Like I already posted, the phrase, "My pulse motor is very efficient" is total bullshit because the efficiency is not being defined.
Everyone needs to learn to present data in a credible, logical, and comprehensible manner. And that especially applies to the replicators of Clarence's version of the B&L system on the Energetic Forum.
MileHigh
Lol You are the Guy ! The only person that you heard that do not work, it was you!
Does not give me the words that did not.
I not support what you say. end of story
You think I'll waste my time explaining whatever it is and try to be scientific to you? lol Why do it with you ?
Do not even have a constructive discourse, moreover have nothing to prove to you.
I have proven who had to prove now is time to continue.
Please let the topic run PLEASE!
Quote from: nelsonrochaa on April 19, 2015, 04:55:07 PM
Lol You are the Guy ! The only person that you heard that do not work, it was you!
Does not give me the words that did not.
I not support what you say. end of story
You think I'll waste my time explaining whatever it is and try to be scientific to you? lol Why do it with you ?
Do not even have a constructive discourse, moreover have nothing to prove to you.
I have proven who had to prove now is time to continue.
Please let the topic run PLEASE!
Well, you can go ahead and eat your own words.
Hello Everyone!
I read all the posts here, from start to end! I have only one suggestion: ignore this guy and continue doing what you were doing. I am sick of this person who is always negative. Just don't answer his posts. Just ignore him! That's it! >:(
Quote from: MileHigh on April 19, 2015, 05:13:26 PM
Well, you can go ahead and eat your own words.
Man dont go mad only because this "change" of point of view.
Man, do not be upset to have contrary ideas.
Relax a little, I am just exchange ideas, you do not need to do tantrum.
I respect your opinion, and just like that you may know that the purpose of all people is the same or should be.
No resentments.
thank you
Nelson:
I am not going "mad." I simply quoted you where you stated that you don't believe this system is OU. Now you are saying that you believe it is OU. You are the one that became "mad" in your previous posting.
The problem with this thread is there is no generic technical discussion, or any technical discussion about all of the technical points that I have made. For example, how does the captor output power? Do you see any connections between the captor and the output of the device? Talking about wire gages and how many copper rods to put in the ground is not a technical discussion. I posed several marked-up schematics to try to stimulate a real technical discussion but there are no comments. Many people "play" and pretend that they are having a technical discussion when the reality is it's not true. They talk about how to build it pretending that it works. They are afraid to talk about how they believe it actually works - they have nothing to say. They know who they are.
When Clarence talks about adding copper rods and "getting a higher voltage measurement" do you know where he is measuring that voltage? I don't know. I would not be surprised if nobody knows.
People accuse me of "dominating the thread." Do you think I have the power to stop people from posting? I don't. They are afraid to discuss the real issues: Let's look at the schematic and discuss how the system is supposed to work - discuss what is going on on the schematic and where you think the free energy is coming from - in the schematic.
The same thing is happening on the Energetic Forum thread. It's a fantasy discussion about where to buy cores and how many turns for your coils. They are not discussing the possible mechanism for generating free energy at all, or how and where to make measurements to confirm or deny that the hypothetical free energy process is taking place. That is the reality.
MileHigh
Nelson
I completely understood your Not OU explanation ...
not the tenth time you explained ...or the 6th time ...
I got it the first time...
and its VERY SPECIAL [at least your DC results...similar to Clarence apparently ??]
@ EnjoyKin, yes the Rossi replication is old news..some peeps break out in a rash when the word "Rossi" is used in a sentence ...however that does NOT diminish the results.
NOR DOES IT DIMINISH EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN TO THE WORLD !! :o :o :o
@Tinsel
a pixy sprinkling of LAH is a long way from a meth lab..and to be clear you go on the "list" in some states for buying cold or allergy medicine .
Quote from: MileHigh on April 20, 2015, 02:58:35 PM
Nelson:
I am not going "mad." I simply quoted you where you stated that you don't believe this system is OU. Now you are saying that you believe it is OU. You are the one that became "mad" in your previous posting.
The problem with this thread is there is no generic technical discussion, or any technical discussion about all of the technical points that I have made. For example, how does the captor output power? Do you see any connections between the captor and the output of the device? Talking about wire gages and how many copper rods to put in the ground is not a technical discussion. I posed several marked-up schematics to try to stimulate a real technical discussion but there are no comments. Many people "play" and pretend that they are having a technical discussion when the reality is it's not true. They talk about how to build it pretending that it works. They are afraid to talk about how they believe it actually works - they have nothing to say. They know who they are.
When Clarence talks about adding copper rods and "getting a higher voltage measurement" do you know where he is measuring that voltage? I don't know. I would not be surprised if nobody knows.
People accuse me of "dominating the thread." Do you think I have the power to stop people from posting? I don't. They are afraid to discuss the real issues: Let's look at the schematic and discuss how the system is supposed to work - discuss what is going on on the schematic and where you think the free energy is coming from - in the schematic.
The same thing is happening on the Energetic Forum thread. It's a fantasy discussion about where to buy cores and how many turns for your coils. They are not discussing the possible mechanism for generating free energy at all, or how and where to make measurements to confirm or deny that the hypothetical free energy process is taking place. That is the reality.
MileHigh
Hi
I think that can only be a problem in translation, because I think I've been very clear about my opinion.
There is no single word from me to speak in overunity. Always mentioned improvement of efficiency in the tests I did and I published a few months ago, but you answer that I had to be scientific in order to speak of efficiency.
Regarding the majority of circuit diagrams B & L face to my understanding is not 100% accurate.
but insist that despite different paths all converge on the same but actual need first to read some lecture to understand some interesting points that have "scientific" explanations.
I see many people playing without even understand the actual functioning of the concept, which has also said it is not original B & L.
Read and verify the references associated with the creation of the patent B & L.
These are rather important to better understand and recreate the circuit properly.
About the rods and ground ,
I also suggest to Clarence, that has nothing to do with the amount of copper rods that he is using, but with the size of the area and that is grounded. Can be a large plate.
In the circuit that i make, does not use even the copper rods or independent ground, only the ground of the installation (I live in a apartment on the 9th floor) i don't have currently the conditions to recreate with solid ground .
As I said in the last post, i will not repeat everything I said about the circuit and about my opinion in detail. Just walk up to some 10 months ago in posts on this topic when I started to get the first results .
I also want to reaffirm that if you continue to think that the loop in the transformer will be just a waste of power, you'll never even understand its effect on the circuit. But I will not convince you of anything, in fact neither you'd want :)
Good luck on your journey
Quote from: ramset on April 20, 2015, 07:11:39 PM
Nelson
I completely understood your Not OU explanation ...
not the tenth time you explained ...or the 6th time ...
I got it the first time...
and its VERY SPECIAL [at least your DC results...similar to Clarence apparently ??]
Ola ,
Talvez seja mais fácil traduzires de português para inglês para que percebas sem erros de tradução .
Relativamente ao tema de eu acreditar que o circuito B&L é um circuito overunity ,
digo convictamente que a corrente medida no loop não é a corrente de saída. Já expliquei qual a sua função .
Sem entrar em detalhes , serve apenas para saturar o core do transformador toroidal. por este motivo como sempre disse
para mim não é um circuito overunity .Ponto final , no entanto não disse que não observei comportamentos curiosos e positivos durante os testes que fiz baseado na minha interpretação do funcionamento do circuito .
Nos testes que efectuei com o meu circuito em AC 220v 50hz , pude verificar que o consumo baixou em cargas indutivas cerca de 80% e em cargas puramente resistivas 50% a 55% . Não sendo "cientifico" na minha conclusão e nas minhas explicações é claro que são apenas resultados insignificantes , quando o importante é OVERUNITY.
Em relação ao testes em DC , nem sequer estou a usar uma configuração idêntica ou mesmo tipo de equipamentos.
Caminhos diferentes mas convergentes.
Na minha terra as casas constroem-se do chão para o telhado e não o contrário.
Não tenho interesse em alongar-me em pormenores até por questões profissionais. Não faltam "Gurus" para explicar o que nunca viram , falando do que nunca testaram mas com uma certeza , Novela não faltara .
Atentamente:
Nelson rocha
Nelson,
Here is a slightly cleaned up Google Translate: (I may also make some mistakes in the clean up.)
<<<
It may be easier to translate Portuguese to English for you to understand without translation errors.
On the subject I believe that B & L circuit is an overunity circuit.
I say with conviction the current loop is not measured in the output current. I have explained what is its function.
Without going into detail, it only serves to saturate the core of the toroidal transformer. for this reason as always said
for me is not a overunity circuit. However I did not hear anyone say they did not notice curious and positive behaviors during the tests I did based on my interpretation of the circuit operation.
In the tests we have conducted with my circuit 220V 50Hz AC, I observed that the use of inductive loads dropped about 80% and purely resistive loads 50% to 55%. Not being "scientific" in my conclusion and in my explanation is clear that these are very small results, when the important thing is overunity.
Regarding tests on AD, I even using an identical configuration of equipment.
Different but converging paths.
In my country the houses are built from the ground to the roof and not the opposite.
I have no interest in dwell into details even by professional issues. Do not miss "Gurus" to explain what ever seen, talking than ever tested but with a certainty, Novela not lacked.
>>>
I still don't know what you mean by the drops of 80% and 50% to 55% for inductive or resistive loads. It is not important. I will just repeat something to you that I posted a few weeks ago. I have 38 years of direct and indirect experience in electronics. From my experience and knowledge I am telling you this is a scam and the replicators are chasing after a false dream.
Esta é uma farsa.
MileHigh
Ola, amigos :D
circuito B&L é um cova magnética é circuito overunity.
leia o tópico
http://www.overunity.com/14755/hogan-and-jakovlewich-overunity-generator/msg446771/#msg446771
ps: Суровый Челябинский Дисней :D :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnsdc7cTPuU
Correr para as montanhas!
Aiiiiiiii!!!!
I had to throw that in, that was just the result of my Rorschach test. That episode of the Outer Limits scared me half to death when I was five years old.
Os zumbis só correm nos Estados Unidos. :D
Vamos ter algum divertimento real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7ToiJ5Q9o
Kukarella. Faça-o sentindo-se débil ?? ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOLqcafhFXQ
QuoteWhen you find a 60hz core forsale GET the "VOLTS/TURN" number.
I get the distinct impression that BroMikey has no understanding about transformer turns ratios.
QuoteThank you for being patient. Let me think about my drawing some more and I will be back to show you what I think I am doing wrong. The biggest problem I am having is with the statement that both toroidal are wound the same.
I get the distinct impression that BroMikey still hasn't mastered the concept of the dots.
This is your project leader??
So how long does this go on until somebody on the Energetic Forum fixes this? It seems you guys are literally afraid to correct and teach each other.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 20, 2015, 10:20:17 PM
Vamos ter algum divertimento real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7ToiJ5Q9o
Now that there be free energy if i've ever seen it.
MH
Your creepy guy pic is gonna give me nightmares..
So to summarize we have two fellows here Nelson and Clarence that have seen
energy come into this "Captor" from a completely autonomous
battery driven system...and both say that the system runs
when there is no great power consumption [or heat]
present.
a simpler arrangement would be hard to imagine .
@TinMan
"Free Energy"" ??
that's a Trap my friend....
Quote from: MileHigh on April 20, 2015, 09:57:04 PM
Nelson,
Here is a slightly cleaned up Google Translate: (I may also make some mistakes in the clean up.)
<<<
It may be easier to translate Portuguese to English for you to understand without translation errors.
On the subject I believe that B & L circuit is an overunity circuit.
I say with conviction the current loop is not measured in the output current. I have explained what is its function.
Without going into detail, it only serves to saturate the core of the toroidal transformer. for this reason as always said
for me is not a overunity circuit. However I did not hear anyone say they did not notice curious and positive behaviors during the tests I did based on my interpretation of the circuit operation.
In the tests we have conducted with my circuit 220V 50Hz AC, I observed that the use of inductive loads dropped about 80% and purely resistive loads 50% to 55%. Not being "scientific" in my conclusion and in my explanation is clear that these are very small results, when the important thing is overunity.
Regarding tests on AD, I even using an identical configuration of equipment.
Different but converging paths.
In my country the houses are built from the ground to the roof and not the opposite.
I have no interest in dwell into details even by professional issues. Do not miss "Gurus" to explain what ever seen, talking than ever tested but with a certainty, Novela not lacked.
>>>
I still don't know what you mean by the drops of 80% and 50% to 55% for inductive or resistive loads. It is not important. I will just repeat something to you that I posted a few weeks ago. I have 38 years of direct and indirect experience in electronics. From my experience and knowledge I am telling you this is a scam and the replicators are chasing after a false dream.
Esta é uma farsa.
MileHigh
Hi ,
The translation is not very good because google translator don't apply the grammatical sentences correctly .
I say i the sentence that i believe that B&L circuit is not a Overunity system . ok ?
No more mistakes in translation.:)
About the original B&L videos the current measured in loop for me is not the real "power" available and this is only to induce people in error a to think that high current will put lots of Watts out but not. the loop is only a way of saturate the core .
This is a Saturate reactor with feedback .!
The reactor that i made to AC grid use only one core , and in my circuit even not a overunity device , have some interesting results.
The reactor can me made with more than one core .
I don't put in line your knowledge ok , i never did , i only refute when you say that loop is only a "fat resistor" because if the loop are correct made it will not dissipate any heat , and if we don't have heat , you don't have high WATTS consume, we will have a high reactive voltage in primary coil , because when the loop is shorted or feed backed with negative bias it will change the state of the core.
I you have experience in electronics i think maybe you and some people need to put eyes in these themes: Saturable Reactors and MAG Amp , this is very old school man.
I know my videos are bad videos without the tests that people want , but is what i can make and show.
I try my best to show and explain my tests , and sure you will see some strange behaviors if you see the videos.
for me the OU is not the most important .
The OU consider the actual lost power in the transfer process ?
When you convert 12V DC to AC in a circuit inverter to load a resistance charge of 100W in ouput inverter, we will consider that some power is dissipated in conversion process and will need more than 100W of source to supply the output resistance load or not?
reducing this type of losses in present for me is more important :) for me this is a improvement in efficiency.
Good luck
Nelson,
If you want to improve efficiency in a power supply design then that's good. You sate that the device we are discussing is not over unity and that's fine.
With respect to Clarence's device, there has been mass confusion the past two days about how to wind the two toroids. I am not sure now if they are talking about adding or opposing secondary EMFs. That's because the participants simply don't know enough about electronics to describe what they are trying to do.
There are three basic options for the toroids:
Note: We are not talking about your device or your experiments, okay?
1) The secondary EMFs add together producing very high currents in the secondary winding. From the primary side, this looks like a short circuit. There are high currents in both primary windings. This is the "big fat resistor" that does nothing but dissipate power.
2) The secondary EMFs are equal and opposite to each other. In this case no current flows in the secondary winding. The captor looks like a very large inductance, almost an open circuit. Very little current flows in the primaries and very little power is dissipated.
3) The secondary EMFs are opposite to each other but one is slightly larger than the other. In this case a moderate amount of current will flow through the secondary loop. It would not take much of a difference between the opposite EMFs to produce a very high current in the secondary such that it also looks like a "big fat resistor."
They simply don't know what they are doing on the EF thread so the issue remains unresolved. You assume most of the participants are lurking here and reading this thread. However, we know how much of a mind-control straight-jacket the Energetic Forum is and how much oppressive peer pressure there is on that thread so don't be surprised if nobody dares state they have been reading here.
MileHigh
Here is the big profound thought of the day for our friends on the Energetic Forum thread:
I have a toroid and the primary winding on the coil is "clockwise."
If I reverse the two wires I have connected to the "clockwise" primary coil, then it looks exactly like a counter-clockwise wound coil even though it is wound "clockwise."
Hence: It does not matter if the primary or the secondary windings are "clockwise" or "counter-clockwise." All that you have to do is make the proper connections to the coils with your two wires to get the results you are looking for.
That's why for transformers we use the "dot convention." The dot convention eliminates the mass confusion.
P.S.: You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know this. All that you have to do is apply the right-hand rule.
Why would it matter if some one from EF is reading here?
I think it is profoundly obvious that "Clarence" input is
what they are interested in??
they are Not replicating the work Of Milehigh..
or did I miss something?
Have you mentioned a means to bring Additional energy into Clarence's Circuit ?
Is there some method which you are aware of that would do what Clarence is doing ?
or even what Nelson has seen?
completely separated from any main grid power?? [ground aside]
??
Chet K
QuoteWhy would it matter if some one from EF is reading here?
To get a different viewpoint.
We have seen this countless times before. The Great Transparent Divide between two forums, or even multiple forums. Remember the Rosemary Ainslie gang packing it up and moving from forum to forum?
You want to suppress me and many times when I speak my mind you get all upset. You are not going to suppress me. It's tough luck if Clarence had to move to another forum facilitated by you. I am not the bad guy. Asking somebody to dig up their back yard and put 60 grounding rods in it is being the bad guy. I know that you cling to faint hope for all of this stuff. The trade-off for your
"Chet's faint hope - let people choose to do what they want, even if they waste their time and money" is that opposing views get aired, even if you have to split "Germany" into East and West to achieve that.
I know that you love to facilitate, but what you don't seem to understand is that by "being good" you are in a way doing bad. If you are going to be Yin, then I am going to be Yang. That is what gives balance. You see the user Level on EF trying to give some balance on EF and he gets shot down.
What Balance is Level giving to the discussion ?
he sounds like you??
if they wanted that they would still be here...
No I think this needs more attention, until it can be shown one way or
the other .
I have heard these claims in many different ways and if there is some way that this is running off the grid with out being attached to the grid that is important to find out.
or we can take "your" easy way out and just call everyone a Liar.
QuoteLevel
Why the grave concern ??
the boys are having a good time and you seem like your not ??
is this the tenth time you have stated this ?
twelve times ??
You jumped in to start this thread, now you are trying to embarrass Clarence
into doing something for You ??
Do you feel some one might spend 2 thousand dollars and not read the thread??
It is fine that you are not replicating ,perhaps the adults here should decide what they will do for themselves too??
Chet K
Yes Chet, Clarence should provide credible data before people commit to another wild goose chase. He should be embarrassed for not providing any credible data. You are trying to be a thought suppressor again.
QuoteI have heard these claims in many different ways and if there is some way that this is tricking the grid with out being attached to the grid that is important to find out.
The problem is that two bunches of ground rods sunk into your backyard will probably have less than one ohm of resistance between them. It's impossible for that to be a source of power.
Yes Chet, sometimes you can say definitively that six is six. Clarence is "tripping" like Jimi Hendrix and trying to convince you that six is nine.
MH
You should LEVEL with us..
why are you so interested in stopping a group of grown men from
pursuing their hobby ?
this is their time their money their interest..
LEVEL with us why the concern??
Clarence asks for no Money and is sharing ALL
the details..no secrets..
LEVEL with us why the big concern??
Okay, here we go again.
Look at the case of Rosemary Ainslie. Why did Poynt99 invest all that energy in that? What about TK, he was also along for the debate for the long haul. Why did Poynt99 and TK and others debate with her?
None of us had anything to gain, so why did we do it?
How about a famous quote:
There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?What's wrong with dreaming about somebody that comes forward with a free energy proposition where they are credible and demonstrate competency in the subject matter, they are forthcoming and are cooperative when it comes to sharing data, and they give convincing and credible demonstrations?
Why not?Is there anything wrong with that?
You note that it took something like 2 1/2
years to finally get credible data from Rosemary's proposition, and it showed that there was nothing there. The pulsing inductive resistor was not a source of energy at all.
Look, Level's reasonable questions and concerns have been shot down (again) by the person called Desa:
QuoteYour concerns are perfectly legit. After many years of Milows disapointments I have seen clame after claim and nothing came out of it. I would presume that interested experimenter can see trough the smoke and inuendos. For newcomers it is valuable expiriance if thay finally get to build something. Who says it has to work first time. As for the Clarence I commend him for sticking out whit all the occasional poking and bagering. In time we all are going to see the the results of his work. Only than we can judge him as being honest and respected gentlemen or som fly by night soon to be forgotten. Personally I think he owes us nothing.
It is his claim an it is up to us grownups to decide if we are willing to except his lead or not. If it turns to be working device I think it is wort to go trough the expiriance. Finally who says that he has to spell it out with all the data. Perhaps he cannt. Would you be so brave to stick your neck out and risk big brother messing out with your last supper. Power is in numbers. Info is out and that is enough for now. Coach is here, use ocasion to replicate any way you can. Tomorrow he may be gone and with him all he knows. Instead of bagering ask valid questions and let the time do its dance.
So, Clarence gets to hide again because somebody made a posting that shot down Level's posting. People can sometimes be their own worst enemy.
I do it mainly out of principle. Someone is saying nonsense and trying to get others to replicate his nonsense, very possibly because that someone has psychological issues. Not to mention also that his pitch is an insult to science and engineering and logical thinking. I have nothing to gain, is there something wrong with that?
You know the old thing where if you are driving and pass through a speed trap, you then flash your headlights to the oncoming cars. Why do you flash your headlights?
Failure to speak out against quackery is a dangerous thing. Just like Desa's brand of willful suspension of common sense is a dangerous thing.
I just choose to do it for the same reasons I chose to do it for Rosemary Ainslie. I don't have to have some fantastic reason.
It's frustrating to see the "suspension of disbelief" among the the people that want to replicate, or the supporters of the proposition. This is not a science fiction movie with phasers set on stun, this is a grown man stating that an arrangement of two toroidal transformers that is nothing more than electronics quackery will produce free energy.
I can't physically stop
anybody from going forward with this project. But what I can do is state that it is complete nonsense and back up my reasons with logic, which is something that Clarence can't do.
Anybody: How do you apply your location on the geomagnetic map with respect to this project? Explain the rationale, I am curious to know how that works.
Definition of Quackery:
<<< Quackery is the promotion of fraudulent or ignorant medical practices. A "quack" is a "fraudulent or ignorant pretender to medical skill" or "a person who pretends, professionally or publicly, to have skill, knowledge, or qualifications he or she does not possess; a charlatan". >>>
Quote from: MileHigh on April 21, 2015, 02:36:17 PM
Here is the big profound thought of the day for our friends on the Energetic Forum thread:
I have a toroid and the primary winding on the coil is "clockwise."
If I reverse the two wires I have connected to the "clockwise" primary coil, then it looks exactly like a counter-clockwise wound coil even though it is wound "clockwise."
Hence: It does not matter if the primary or the secondary windings are "clockwise" or "counter-clockwise." All that you have to do is make the proper connections to the coils with your two wires to get the results you are looking for.
That's why for transformers we use the "dot convention." The dot convention eliminates the mass confusion.
P.S.: You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know this. All that you have to do is apply the right-hand rule.
2 points for MH is correct, 0 points for know-nothings. You'd think they are working on homopolar generators or something.
Speaking of quackery, lets examine the issue of the coil of neutral wire that wraps around the secondary wire of the captor.
It's not any kind of transformer coupling, it does not cut any real amount of flux due to the high AC currents (their existence may be confirmed if they resolve the mass confusion about how to wire the primaries and secondaries of the captor) in the captor secondary loop.
So what does the loop of neutral wire do? It's clearly not a transformer coupling, so what does it do?
Let's suppose you set up an experiment. You get a straight length of wire and you do some kind of a transformer setup (for example coupled with a variac) to get 10 AC amps RMS going through the straight length of wire. Then wrap a coil of wire around that, just like the coiled neutral wired in Clarence's setup.
Put your scope on the two terminals of the coiled neutral wire. What are you going to see? You will most likely see a vestigial very low voltage AC sine wave representing a feeble pick up of some coupled flux from the straight wire. Now put a 1K resistor across the two terminals of the coiled wire. Chances are that 1K load resistor will short out the feeble low voltage AC waveform.
For all practical intents and purposes, there is no relationship between the straight wire with 10 AC amps RMS of current flow and the coiled neutral wire. They may as well be completely disconnected. One cannot affect the other in any significant way.
You can short the two ends of the coiled neutral wire and repeat the same process but this time measure the current and you will get similar results.
This is real-world physics and electronics, THE TRUTH. There is no "bending of the truth" for B&L or for Clarence. The coiled neutral wire around the captor loop secondary is nonsense, it does nothing - it is electronics quackery.
Just go ahead if you doubt me and do the experiment for yourself.
So is this. Unless, of course, looping the wire and placing it on the power supply creates O.U.
Bill
Ha ha Bill, you forgot to mention that you have to also jump up and down and rub your belly at the same time to get OU from the white wire.
Chet, being the nice guy that he is, linked to the US geomagnetic map. Chet is not technical, but let's continue the technical discussion about this here.
I am totally out of my element, so take that into account. The map is attached.
I did some digging.
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The World Digital Magnetic Anomaly Map (WDMAM) shows the variation in strength of the magnetic field after the Earth's dipole field has been removed. Earth's dipole field is generated by circulating electric currents in the planet's metal core. It varies from 35,000 nanoTesla (nT) at the Equator to 70,000 nT at the poles.
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1838, Carl Friedrich Gauss proved 95% of Earth's magnetic field is internal, 5% external
Earth's field is sum of 3 parts:
Main magnetic field
produced by electrical currents in outer core
steady on time scale of days, but variable over years
approximately 50,000 nT (0.5 Oe)
accounts for large regional variations in intensity and direction
External magnetic field
produced by electrical currents in ionosphere consisting of particles ionized by solar radiation (11-year solar cycle)
usually variable over hours, at tens of nT
occasionally variable over minutes, at hundreds of nT (magnetic storm)
Anomalous, induced magnetic field
magnetization induced in crust by Main Field (and External Field) or remanent magnetization ("permanently induced")
limited to upper crust (Curie T)
limited to ferr(o,i)magnetic materials
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With fairly good confidence I can state that the geomagnetic map is just a map of the very slight differences in the strength and direction of the Earth's magnetic field at the surface because of the remnant magnetization in the underlying bedrock, different bedrock materials, deposits of iron, etc, etc.
That's what I basically said in a previous posting without having looked anything up.
Conclusion: The geomagnetic map is absolutely useless to this "project" and will not affect anything in any way, shape, or form whatsoever.
If anybody disagrees with me and has an argument to put forth please do so.
This is one of the great pitfalls of this forum. It's to "buy in" to junk useless information, pretend it has value, and pretend you are using the information. But when push comes to shove and "you" are put on the spot and asked why, "you" have nothing to say.
Now take a look at this exchange between Clarence and Dielectric on EF:
<<<<<
Originally Posted by dielectric:
I'm not trying to make you repeat yourself here but... you have 60 (sixty) 8 foot long rods pounded all the way into the ground, hooked up in series and THIS is what formulates your grounding grid?
Would you suspect that someone in a geomagnetic "hotzone" would need far less rods than that?
Thanks!
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Hello again,
yes I have 60 rods pushed - not BEATEN - in a linked 3 foot spaced series which loops back to itself and this is what makes my Ground RETURN Grid. at a single point at a rod adjacent to my house entrance, to that rod I attach my earth neutral wire lead ( # 6 AWG) that leads directly to my Captor loop you see in my photo of the unit. from my inverter NEUTRAL I also have a # 6AWG wire lead that goes out side to a separate open ended 3 foot spaced series of 4 rods as the GROUND GRID INPUT.
with reference to the " hot zone " a builder should need less than I did for certain. how many you will have to determine for yourself. I tell you how to know in previous posts.
thanks
Clarence
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There is no such thing as a "geomagnetic 'hot zone'" - both Dielectric and Clarence are making up crap as they go along.
I have no tolerance for pseudo-scientific outright bullshit, and neither should any of you reading this. Clarence shot himself in the foot by making up a fake answer for something that he almost certainly has no understanding of.
The question didn't make any sense, and the answer didn't make any sense. Garbage-in-garbage-out. Save your money and your time for something else.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on April 21, 2015, 09:44:38 PM
Ha ha Bill, you forgot to mention that you have to also jump up and down and rub your belly at the same time to get OU from the white wire.
MileHigh
MH:
But, one more turn of that white wire, or one less could be why no one has been able to replicate this device yet. The number of turns here could be critical. Also, you need the correct wire. Black wire will not work.
Bill
PS That white wire looks a lot like 5 conductor phone line complete with modular jacks. (RJ-14?)
You forgot to mention the purity of the copper, as well as the phases of the moon.
So Clarence has 60 ground rods pushed... not BEATEN, but pushed... into the ground in his yard? I just have one question:
Who mows his lawns?
(That map is interesting. Do you want to be where the field is strong? Then the Upper Peninsula of Michigan looks like where you want to be. I've heard the mosquitoes there are the size of small sparrows. And I do believe it gets rather cold in the winter. But the ice fishing is supposed to be good.)
If you are lost in the woods, and your cell phone battery is dead, and you have an emergency sewing kit in your backpack....
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2015, 10:51:29 PM
So Clarence has 60 ground rods pushed... not BEATEN, but pushed... into the ground in his yard? I just have one question:
Who mows his lawns?
We can't see pictures on EF, so who knows? My gut feeling is that he only posted pictures of a few of his grounding rods (which someone mentioned) but there may be no pics of his yard. That puts the actual implementation by Clarence in the "show me the data" category. Unless heaven forbid someone cross-pollinates us with a pic.
Wow, look from the user Dagon on EF we finally get some ground resistance data:
QuoteI've experimented with ground energy for quite a few years now - 2 grounds, one 60ft (N) approximately 55 sq ft of area into the aquifer and the second (S) 30ft away 8ft deep with an area of 15 sq ft. Resistance between them is 5 ohm. On an earlier page someone mentioned using a meter to measure ground resistance - not going to happen - the best way is to use a battery and an amp meter then calculate it.
I am not sure about the meaning for "55 square feet" and "15 square feet" but my takeaway from this is that two ground rods 30 feet away from each other measure five ohms resistance. So I think that my estimate that a bunch of ground rods like Clarence is talking about with the closer spacing would have less than one ohm resistance between the two sets is reasonable. I am assuming "average" soil conditions.
Meanwhile, super sycophant BroMikey is not having a good night. There was some doubt expressed and another request for hard data from Clarence.
P.S.: I think I figured it out. The square footage is the outside contact surface area of each rod. Needless to say, the very long (like really long!) rod has 55 square feet of contact surface area.
Don't make any jokes when going through the airline check-in.
So, Clarence is using 880 sq. ft. of grounding rods? (16x55)
Or, we can't even determine that as we do not know if his are 15 feet long or not do we?
I wonder if you arranged all of those grounding rods into a crop circle type shape, if it would improve the output?
Bill
Dear MH,
I think you are being foolish and pedantic, like some comical condescending politician, such a shame that you are so shortsighted and 'sans espoir'. I think this is unfortunate as you could have been using your knowledge in a constructive manner and assisting to take this project forward onto a higher level.
There is more than enough 'common knowledge' to suggest that the system is in in part at least viable and showing results. It would seem there is some phenomena in the system which is not obvious and fully understood.
Maybe the B&L Captor was not the best choice of project/ device for replication, however, it was the one chosen by Clarence and he had his own specific reasons for this and I can understand them. Personally I would have chosen the Kapenadze because it better suits my facilities. Kapenadze' device now has financial backing which has taken it forward into production of 'high output' devices and we should all expect that this will also be kept 'out of reach of the people' who must continue to pay.
Perhaps you could think back to the development of solar energy systems which in the beginning were almost hopeless. Five generations on they still fail to meet our needs under all circumstances. No doubt development will continue and they will eventually become viable in less than optimal circumstances/ locations. I think this will also be the case with 'energy from the ground' devices.
I can understand your viewpoint and your reasoning but please don't let your education cloud your judgement, imagination not just necessity also gives birth to invention and creativity. Things are hardly ever fully functioning first time out of the box, .. and how many people do 'self assembly' without first reading the instructions . .. not reading the instructions doesn't mean it isn't going to work. . and those who follow the instructions may find errors in the assembly sheets which inhibit their progress sk
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Quote from: skribat on April 22, 2015, 04:20:14 AM
Dear MH,
Kapenadze' device now has financial backing which has taken it forward into production of 'high output' devices and we should all expect that this will also be kept 'out of reach of the people' who must continue to pay.
Could you show us the evidence for this please?
I think this one has ground rod's :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUZO1v8c7lU
Take a look at Dragon's post here for some serious science.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-8.html
Quote from: ramset on April 21, 2015, 03:15:38 PM
Clarence asks for no Money and is sharing ALL the details..no secrets..
Hi ramset. That is simply not true. As I mentioned here already, Clarence has shared next to nothing in regards to actual
test results. Before the religious jihad was started here, we were waiting for Clarence to do some self run tests and
battery voltage measurements to see how his device behaved while self looping, but Clarence chose to bail
when the insults started flying against him by some people who obviously had no idea what was going on in this thread.
I don't know, but it appears Clarence may have since done some tests and realized that his device can't be
self looped, as he has since made some comments that seem to point in that direction, for example he indicated that
he thinks he needs to add even more ground rods yet.
I don't agree at all with MileHigh's insults and condescending comments and constant attacks here whatsoever, but the
people who are asking about test results on energetic forum are actually doing so quite respectfully so far, from what I
can see. In my own opinion there is no comparison there to what MileHigh has been doing here. Clarence does seem to
be completely avoiding questions about test results, so as I mentioned it appears he may have done some tests and
realized that he can't self loop his B&L 'replication' device. It was never looking very good for the B&L devices after two
people tested an actual B&L device and couldn't get it working, and also now with Clarence apparently avoiding questions
about testing like the plague it is not looking any much better, IMO.
All the best...
If Clarence can run his system for a couple of days, and the battery has not run down while lighting a bulb(s).
That would be enough proof for me.
Why don't we just give him enough time to perfect the "perfect" setup. And install all the rods that he needs to, and then to report back.
The only proof that would really be convincing, is for one to try it for oneself. Once more details concerning it's self running aspect are known.
Void
When I said there are no secrets ,I meant regarding the "how its done"....
performance secrets are another issue .
Quote from: ramset on April 22, 2015, 10:27:39 AM
Void
When I said there are no secrets ,I meant regarding the "how its done"....
performance secrets are another issue .
I think we may agree then. :)
All the best...
Gentlemen:
I have looked at the presentation by Clarence and I have covered issues that are very obvious that seemingly you guys don't want to address. Many of them are very obvious:
1. What could the neutral wire looped around the captor secondary possibly do?
2. There is no such thing as a "geomagnetic hot spot."
3. If you actually believe that synchronous AC power comes up from the ground then the output of the system has to be higher than 120 VAC.
4. There is no "output" from the captor.
Look at point #3, what about Clarence's microwave reaction to an over-voltage situation? How about something even more basic, what is the RMS output voltage when driving the microwave? It has to be higher than 120 VAC based on the schematic. That leads to the question, "What is the RMS AC voltage across the two sets of ground rods?"
Yes, I raised a lot of issues that you yourselves should have raised, and should be raising with Clarence. I think of a new angle that was not covered, then I write it up and offer up some logical reasoning, and then I post it. If it makes sense to mark up the schematic I will do so because visual aids can be very compelling. I am not repeating myself over and over.
What about you guys? Some of you must have a basic understanding of electricity. How come none of you are raising these important issues yourselves? Really, what is stopping you?
If Clarence said something like, "It works best between 8:00 AM and 2:00 PM" it looks to me like most of you would all just nod your heads like a bunch of lobotomized drones.
To be accepting and unquestioning of all sorts of things that electrically don't make sense is a total fail on your part.
For some of you to say, "Clarence doesn't owe us anything, build it yourself" is another total fail.
To suggest that "This works but meters can't measure it" is another total fail.
Void, for this business where you state, "insults and condescending comments and constant attacks" is just you putting the worst spin possible on my behaviour and it is not true. Sure I have talked tough, and honestly sometimes Clarence deserves some tough talk.
Clarence tried one more time to answer some serious legitimate questions about run times and if he recharged his setup from the mains and you don't have to be a psychologist to see how shaky and flaky his reply was.
And this exchange clearly shows that Clarence is not ashamed to play the fool in order to avoid answering questions:
<<<
Clarence: I don't entertain anyone ever.
How magnanimous of you sir.
Clarence: If you have a question to ask ask it point blank.
My question was clearly posed and I see no reason to repeat myself.
Clarence: If you want photos - what kind about WHAT.
Again, my request for photos was likewise clear if you bothered to read it.
Clarence: If its about "testing" , forget it. I have stated before I am out of that category . I have a unit that works and that's the category I'll stay in.
I can see clearly what category you are in sir and you are welcome to it.
>>>
This is a sinking ship and I am pretty sure that all of you know it. I just did what you yourselves should have done a long time ago. I could see how Clarence was playing all of you like a fiddle and so I asked some tough, blunt questions.
You guys have to get over this "collective enabling self-brainwashing" and just as the real questions that need to be asked yourselves.
Quoting myself: "What's wrong with dreaming about somebody that comes forward with a free energy proposition where they are credible and demonstrate competency in the subject matter, they are forthcoming and are cooperative when it comes to sharing data, and they give convincing and credible demonstrations? Why not?"
MileHigh
Speaking of pictures, has Clarence showed a picture of his grounding rod array in his backyard?
Let's look at the captor again.
Look at the attached graphic of the captor.
Time to get real you guys. Look at it, what do you see?
You see the neutral wire that is coiled around the captor secondary and it makes no electrical contact with the captor itself. It is not a transformer coupling either.
There is no electrical interaction between the neutral wire and the captor.
You see the L line is connected to the captor secondary. What does that mean? Well, if there was no connection to the captor secondary, then the captor secondary would be floating. Since there is a connection to L, that means that the captor secondary is tied in potential to the L line, it rides the 120 VAC sine wave of the L line.
Does that have any meaning or implications because the captor secondary "hitches a ride" on the L 120 VAC potential? The answer is NO, it has no significance. It has no affect on anything, it's just more electrical quackery.
Do you see any output from the captor? I don't see any output at all from the captor. So when Clarence talks about an output from the captor, what is he talking about?
For all practical intents and purposes, the captor is just two toroidal transformers being driven by the inverter. How much current is circulating in the secondary and if the captor looks like an AC short circuit or an AC open circuit to the inverter could only be determined if the mass confusion about how to configure the captor is resolved. For this discussion it doesn't really matter because the captor has no output.
So you guys, what are your takes on the captor? I am asking each and every one of you to post your opinions. For me, the captor is just more electronics quackery that does nothing.
Please, go ahead and challenge me and explain to me how I am wrong and explain how the captor is not electronics quackery.
MileHigh
Quote from: a.king21 on April 22, 2015, 08:55:24 AM
Take a look at Dragon's post here for some serious science.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-8.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-8.html)
I've read every post on that page and I must have missed Dragon's because I don't see any by such a person. I do however see several quite reasonable and polite posts from people asking for data, photos, etc. who are not being answered, but instead are being insulted in the most childish way by this "BroMikey" character, in colored bold large type yet.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 22, 2015, 01:38:45 PM
I've read every post on that page and I must have missed Dragon's because I don't see any by such a person. I do however see several quite reasonable and polite posts from people asking for data, photos, etc. who are not being answered, but instead are being insulted in the most childish way by this "BroMikey" character, in colored bold large type yet.
He's deleted his post.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 22, 2015, 02:02:20 PM
He's deleted his post.
Well, so much for "serious science" then, I suppose.
Are you sure he deleted it himself? Maybe the moderators or Err-on did it for him, if the "serious science" threatened their income base.
Here is a reply from Dragon, today, at EF.
"There was a little more information than I wanted out there at this time. I didn't have time to edit the post this morning and decided to dump the whole thing to save time. If you saved the drawings then it should be pretty clear. A few dollars in parts and 20 minutes worth of winding will get you there providing you have a couple grounds to work with."
And what if we didn't "save the drawings".... since we who aren't allowed to be members at EF cannot even _see_ the drawings, photos, etc in the first place....
If I can help with that, in the future, just let me know. I'm not banned from EF, as yet.
No, I didn't download it in time, either before he "dumped" it, maybe someone else did though.
There may be some people, like in Brazil, that are using similar type of systems to tie into the grid, run earth grounds, and are able to extract enough power from their set up, that it reduces their power meter bills. OR NOT?
Can someone confirm this? Especially if it has to do with what may be going on in this thread.
Quote from: NickZ on April 22, 2015, 02:14:57 PM
If I can help with that, in the future, just let me know. I'm not banned from EF, as yet.
No, I didn't download it in time, either before he "dumped" it, maybe someone else did though.
There may be some people, like in Brazil, that are using similar type of systems to tie into the grid, run earth grounds, and are able to extract enough power from their set up, that it reduces their power meter bills. OR NOT?
Can someone confirm this? Especially if it has to do with what may be going on in this thread.
Single Wire Earth Return power systems, as in Brazil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return
Yes, reduce your power +meter+ bills by bypassing the meter..... and call that Overunity!
Ok, thanks. Yes, some would call it stealing, but are there really laws against it. What one does in ones own property, once past the power meter box, may not be stopped. Or, are there laws in Brazil, and other countries about that, in particular?
In any case, I'm certainly not promoting that. Nor trying to discuss that topic.
The point being that IF it works, it works, and although not overunity, as such, it can save some people some money.
And I'm all for saving people money, However, That is not my plan though, so don't start up at me.
WE or at least I want to see if it works on batteries, as well.
It may take letting the battery recharge itself at night, when little or no power is being drawn from the battery.
I think Telluric ground currents would give the electric utilities some legal pause, since they overlap
in the ground loop and you would be receiving these too in parallel. You may be able to
get a partial waver to extract a percentage of power you receive from the captor loop.
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I don't want to agree with MH's number but why would a one ohm internal impedance stop
one from receiving lots of energy especially since the direct output of the ground array is initially
current? I think this is "secret" of the captor.
I also stressed the possibility that their may be some energy focusing because
array rod configuration. If focusing was *not* a factor I think a grounds array
would be symmetric...But as it is it is highly asymmetric.
..S..MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on April 22, 2015, 03:42:52 PM
I think Telluric ground currents would give the electric utilities some legal pause, since they overlap
in the ground loop and you would be receiving these too in parallel. You may be able to
get a partial waver to extract a percentage of power you receive from the captor loop.
..S..MarkSCoffman
In a single wire earth return system, telluric ground currents will not overlap in the ground loop and throw off the electric utilities. One more time we are back to the concepts of basic circuit analysis. The physical ground acts like an electrical ground - the simple model is a sea of electrons at ground potential. Note that since all the electrons are at ground potential they are useless and you can't extract any energy from them.
Let's say the single wire earth return system carries 100 amps of DC current at very high potential through the line. That means that at the receiving end the 100 amps comes in and all of the energy is stripped off of the electrons as they drop in potential as they run through the power conversion system to produce regular mains power. At the receiving end the 100 amps of current go back into the ground. The electrons are spent, they have lost all of their voltage (hence energy) where they are dumped back into the ground.
You can say the ground is a "sea of electrons" or you can be more accurate. The electrons that are dumped into the ground have a very feeble amount of residual energy left in them. Then just line spawning salmon, they fan out in all directions and slowly creep their way back through the physical ground to make their way back to the power source. The power source "shoots them back up the elevator" and they travel thorough the high-voltage line again.
In other words, it's a current loop, just like any other current loop in a circuit on your breadboard. Your own power supply is the "elevator" and the exact same process takes place. In one branch of a circuit on your breadboard, it can be part of two separate current loops in the circuit, and at quiescence (stable operation) one current loop will not affect the other current loop.
Likewise, telluric currents may be creeping through the physical ground and they have absolutely nothing to do with the current loop associated with the single wire earth return system.
You have to understand the basics and shake the superstition and propensity to make invalid connections that simply aren't true.
MileHigh
Quote from: mscoffman on April 22, 2015, 03:42:52 PM
I think Telluric ground currents would give the electric utilities some legal pause, since they overlap
in the ground loop and you would be receiving these too in parallel. You may be able to
get a partial waver to extract a percentage of power you receive from the captor loop.
..S..MarkSCoffman
I just made a long posting about the captor asking you guys for your opinion on it. I am not sure exactly what you mean by "power you receive from the captor loop" because you could be referring to the allegation that the captor is receiving power from the ground, or, you could be referring to the allegation that the captor is somehow outputting power into the load.
Whether it is one or both, I am attaching the captor schematic again. Please go ahead and explain how the captor might work, since you are making the claim. Please feel free to mark up the schematic and annotate it to show the process.
MileHigh
Some of us don't do only theory we do practice. Here is an example of SWER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcPu4Ie47vA
Grum bought some more grounding rods. If he can get around to doing a resistance measurement (using a battery) between two ground rods placed something like a meter apart that would be appreciated. I recommend putting a 10-watt 10-ohm resistor in series in case the resistance is very low, you don't want to short out the battery.
Внутренние энергии Земли. (Видео №7)
Inner energy of earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpBqgeZU0Bw
Закачка энергии из земли
Pumping in energy from the earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcpKmh88K10
Quote from: MileHigh on April 22, 2015, 07:21:21 PM
Grum bought some more grounding rods. If he can get around to doing a resistance measurement (using a battery) between two ground rods placed something like a meter apart that would be appreciated. I recommend putting a 10-watt 10-ohm resistor in series in case the resistance is very low, you don't want to short out the battery.
You may be interested in a whole set of experiments we both did on Tuesday/Wednesday
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2903.msg48323;topicseen#msg48323
We have some new technical information from Clarence:
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C. HOW do you know when you have reached the point when you are at
the needed Level of potential? ???
SIMPLE!!!! when the voltage from the ground return NEUTRAL across
the CAPTOR output PHASE reads the EXACT SAME rms as is shown
ACROSS THE INVERTER OUTPUT then you are ONLY AT THE TIPPING
POINT!!!! you will STILL have to add MORE RODS!!!! say 10 to 20 -
and after you apply loads and the rms on the CAPTOR output starts to
drop somewhat you can KNOW you will still need some more
potential from the earth by adding a few more rods.
" ITS CALLED ENERGY FROM THE EARTH" the NAME of the system-
STICK IT IN YOUR SKULLS people!!!!
>>>
I added the annotations for "Ground Grid Return" and "Ground Grid Input" to that cut-off BroMikey schematic and attached it here.
Where is this measurement on the schematic, or please ask Clarence: "the voltage from the ground return NEUTRAL across
the CAPTOR output PHASE."
Certainly you you put one of your probes on the Ground Grid Return line, because that is connected to a neutral. Where do you put the other probe?
What about this measurement: "the rms on the CAPTOR output"
Is that the same measurement, or do you put your probes somewhere else?
Watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fURFkTC1rmQ
Generally same Captor configuration !!
Scalar magnetic filed in action !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKspT_CGAtE
More interesting videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/Ingener99/videos
I think I can hear the sound of one hand clapping.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 22, 2015, 05:37:49 AM
Could you show us the evidence for this please?
I will have to search my archives for it so it may take a while, I think several of the latest Kapenadze videos were taken down from you tube, the latest was taken at an installation launch open to tradespeople, where they showed a working device putting out (I think) 10,000 kw . .. the previous ones showed them in an industrial unit assembling what appeared to be sub-stations using 50,000v oil filled transformers .. I would have liked to have stored the videos but my ADSL connection is slow (out in the sticks) and causes me problems. .. meanwhile I think you might like to see this .. .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E0bOK7ChwbQ#t=595 explanation and demonstration of B&L type circuit. .. with measurements .. It may take some time to find the Kapenadze I work most of the day and don't have as much energy as I used to have, old age creeping on.
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Tesla's little secret. testing the Kapanadze coils .. power increase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z-QvHSyHOuQ#t=647
Quote from: skribat on April 23, 2015, 05:46:43 AM
Tesla's little secret. testing the Kapanadze coils .. power increase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z-QvHSyHOuQ#t=647 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z-QvHSyHOuQ#t=647)
You're going to have to do better than that!
(10,000 kW ? From a Kapanadze device at a "trade show"? I'm laughing in my coffee. That gets a ROFL for sure.)
I don't have to do better than anything .. .. .. and that isn't the way to get me to give up my free time to go searching things for you .. either you would like to see it or you wouldn't as things are at the moment I really don't give a damn. .. so take it or leave it .. go search for it yourself.
Quote from: skribat on April 23, 2015, 07:44:42 AM
I don't have to do better than anything .. .. .. and that isn't the way to get me to give up my free time to go searching things for you .. either you would like to see it or you wouldn't as things are at the moment I really don't give a damn. .. so take it or leave it .. go search for it yourself.
Surely you could quite easily post the link to it. After all, it was you who brought it to the attention of forum members, so why not save us all the time in searching.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 22, 2015, 07:21:21 PM
Grum bought some more grounding rods. If he can get around to doing a resistance measurement (using a battery) between two ground rods placed something like a meter apart that would be appreciated. I recommend putting a 10-watt 10-ohm resistor in series in case the resistance is very low, you don't want to short out the battery.
Dear MileHigh.
Glad to oblige.
Using my bench power supply and UPS I placed two rods at 1.1 M approx. 3' 6" apart. Buried 0.9 M approx. 3' deep. There is also a polarity noted, Southern one positive and Northern one negative.
Results.
With polarity.
5 vdc 0.01 A
10 vdc 0.03 A
15 vdc 0.05 A
20 vdc 0.07 A
Against polarity.
5 vdc 0.02 falling back to 0.01 A
10 vdc 0.04 falling back to 0.03 A
15 vdc 0.06 falling back to 0.05 A
20 vdc 0.08 falling back to 0.07 A
These tests brought back many happy memories of trudging through the fields doing Earthing tests. A very necessary requisite for a Substation that has 33 Kv flying aloft !!
Cheers Grum.
Repost of SOME Dragon diagrams with Dragon quote from here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-10.html
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I've had a multitude of requests to repost the circuit diagrams I deleted. I've decided to repost only these simple circuits for those interested in experimenting with ground energy. They can be constructed of simple components - hand wound coils on a ferrite core or simply grab a transformer with a center tapped low voltage output and a transistor. The ferrite should be 2000u or higher although most will work with varying degrees of success. I use Stormwise cores for ELF or ULF frequencies.
I have no intention of deterring Clarances discussion on the B&L build although I believe he's overlooked some key features from the patents. Clarence is a smart man and I know he will see it... descriptive words, quite often, don't paint the picture in one's mind the same as the individual explaining it - we have to get there on our own.
Below are the circuit diagrams...far left is the basic hartley circuit - you should start there. Once you achieve success in lighting an LED then you can move on to a more advanced circuit. The second one is a pump and it recycles the energy from each side. The third is a more descriptive diagram of the basic circuit for use in charging batteries or large capacitors. Far right shows that it can be used with an antenna similar to the original Tesla patent - the coils become the capacitor forming a charge displacement between earth and atmosphere.
You can run more than one circuit on the earth grounds - quite often there is a substantial current flowing between the rods but at ultra low voltages. When the transistor base sees a spike or difference between the base and emitter it will fire and the current will flow through the coils then imediately turn off causing a back rush which will continue firing the base. Similar to a ram pump. The second diagram shows how this can be kept going by using the output of one to fire the other and store the inrush in a cap between grounds. I've used a number of different transistors with good success and the only thing you need to look for is a low base threshold ( .25 to .3 volt ) and high amperage rating. I use the MJE18008 because of these features as well as their ability to handle up to 1000 volt spikes. These are quick, simple and cheap ( do with what you have ) - the only difficult part is getting the grounds right which sometimes takes a little time... don't expect to achieve success with a couple nails in the ground...
Additional Dragon Post and Pic
from here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-10.html
Dragon
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One to ponder...
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This is for Clarence to ponder... others as well. I know you'll see it - I think your very close to opening the flood gates. I really had no intentions to build this but after re-reading the documents I decided to put together a small system using what I have based on the B&L theory.
one more from Dragon
from here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-10.html
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Patent # 690151 - also E.T.Jones earth antenna 1,372,658 is the one that started me in this direction years ago. Understanding Telluric currents helps as well.
Edit .One addendum from the Dragon regarding these circuits and posts
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Consider it an introduction to ground energy - learning about the earths potentials, a place to start learning about what Clarence is trying to accomplish. These circuits can be considered an earth energy detector. They are so stupid simple they really need no more discussion. Further discussion should be on connecting with the earth and ways to capitalize on what is there - the circuits mean nothing without knowledge of the actual source of energy, how to extract, manipulate and turn it into something useful.
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Grum:
Thank you very much for doing the tests. That shows a very high resistance. I don't know much about ground rods but I will make a few guesses. I think I read somewhere that a standard grounding rod is about eight feet long. I am going to assume that in most areas that are not in very dry climates it allows the grounding rod to make it down to the water table. Perhaps not the water table but something like a region where the soil is permanently moist and just a few feet above the actual water table. One assumes that then the resistance between two grounding rods one meter apart would be quite low.
I am absolutely NOT asking you to do that, I am more than content to guess at this point in time. I can always do the research myself if needed.
MileHigh
Ramset, you beat me to it! ;D
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-10.html
Dragon's opened the floodgates to earth energy.
Chet:
Thanks for reposting Dragon's information and allowing the blind to see the images. It's fun and interesting stuff, a good learning experience for hobbyists. The power levels are very low, probably less than one-tenth of a miliwatt.
The problem is that it has nothing to do with Clarence's alleged system. That's always a danger with threads. People start to run out of ideas and before you know it everything but the kitchen sink starts getting discussed.
MileHigh
MH
you are entitled to your opinions.
ENERGY FROM THE GROUND .. is an intriguing Prefix, regardless of the suffix .
Note
I've moved Dragons simple learning Circuits and info to this post
from here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-10.html
also, I like Skribat's Tariel K Energy from the ground Movie .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z-QvHSyHOuQ#t=647
EDIT One more Pic and comment from Dragon [Marked "Clarence" below ]
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This is the same as the patent drawing using Clarences toroid schematic to make the arrangement much clearer... the last piece of puzzel is getting the current loop and earth to form a ferroresonant connection...
**Edit again to add this comment from Dragon on the "Clarence" pic below
Dragon
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It's simply my interpretation of the patent drawings and could very well be wrong or incomplete to some degree.
Well, I asked you guys, especially the enthusiasts and believers, to speculate about what the captor is and how it works and what it does. I explained to you how the captor is just electronics quackery and it doesn't even have an output.
Not a single person had anything to say.
Then I copied Clarence's text about making voltage measurements in and around the captor, and I asked you guys where you thought that he was making the voltage measurements. I asked someone to forward those questions to Clarence, "Where do I put my probes?"
Not a single person had anything to say, and nobody asked Clarence about where to make the voltage measurements that he was talking about.
So what does that say gentlemen?
This is just a farce, and you would be crazy to build this piece of junk.
This would be the most efficient variation on Clarence's system: Connect your battery directly to the inverter, use the inverter to drive your AC load. When the battery is depleted, connect it to a mains-powered battery charger and recharge it.
Here is the most friendly implementation for a variation on Clarence's system that is just as efficient as the system above: Go out and buy a UPS.
The fact that nobody had anything to say shows how ridiculous things can get. And certainly we have our fair share of "blind believers" on both threads.
Going a bit deeper, all this does is encourage other people to pull off the same kind of stunt as Clarence. Some of them will be criminals cooking up a scam.
Quote from: ramset on April 23, 2015, 12:19:23 PM
MH
you are entitled to your opinions.
ENERGY FROM THE GROUND .. is an intriguing Prefix, regardless of the suffix .
Well, thanks, that's a big improvement from asking me to stop posting, Mr. Facilitator.
Here is a history lesson for you:
The Cottingley Fairies appear in a series of five photographs taken by Elsie Wright (1900–88) and Frances Griffiths (1907–86), two young cousins who lived in Cottingley, near Bradford in England. In 1917, when the first two photographs were taken, Elsie was 16 years old and Frances was 9. The pictures came to the attention of writer Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who used them to illustrate an article on fairies he had been commissioned to write for the Christmas 1920 edition of The Strand Magazine. Doyle, as a spiritualist, was enthusiastic about the photographs, and interpreted them as clear and visible evidence of psychic phenomena. Public reaction was mixed; some accepted the images as genuine, but others believed they had been faked.
Interest in the Cottingley Fairies gradually declined after 1921. Both girls married and lived abroad for a time after they grew up, yet the photographs continued to hold the public imagination. In 1966 a reporter from the Daily Express newspaper traced Elsie, who had by then returned to the UK. Elsie left open the possibility that she believed she had photographed her thoughts, and the media once again became interested in the story.
In the early 1980s Elsie and Frances admitted that the photographs were faked, using cardboard cutouts of fairies copied from a popular children's book of the time, but Frances maintained that the fifth and final photograph was genuine. The photographs and two of the cameras used are on display in the National Media Museum in Bradford.
Betwixxed your"" On Topic"" Fairy's nancing and prancing posts
can you Please site one example where I have ever asked you not to post.
At this point I don't even believe that Clarence has 50 or 60 eight-foot grounding rods buried in his backyard with the connecting cables also buried under the earth.
I believe he showed a picture or two of some grounding rods but so what?
Clarence balks at simple questions for information, and you think a 76-year-old man is going to do all the work required to do the grounding rod setup?
Has he ever made mention of an auger drill to do it? Even with an auger it would be back-breaking work. Not to mention burying all the cables would be back-breaking work.
I would say that Clarence should show some pictures of his radical ground rod landscaping efforts. I simply don't believe it. How much of a leap is it to make fake free energy claims that your backyard is a magic synchronous provider of AC power to making a fake claim that you did a month's worth of continuous back-breaking work to uproot your whole backyard?
Quote from: ramset on April 23, 2015, 01:00:34 PM
Betwixxed your"" On Topic"" Fairy's nancing and prancing posts
can you Please site one example where I have ever asked you not to post.
MH
so you pee'd in Clarence's Punch bowl and feel he should just "man Up"??
whats the big deal?
Why'd he leave his own party like that???
If he does decide to come back ,can you just refrain from commenting until such time as there is something which is not self evident ??
almost every one I speak with has measured different power levels at ground points
even a few inches a part, some have found tree's and lit LEd's between them [Tinman's friend]
others have told me about there experiences spreading grounds around over areas and finding very odd things.
I truly wish to understand How Clarence has measured this claim,as do many others.
That's a technicality ...with a Please refrain request.
Not really a "No post" order...
*At the time Void had mentioned that Clarence was on a sharing exchange here
until you came into the room with your Hair on fire!![I thought you pee;d in the punch bowl
too but that was just an ugly rumor...
well... And Tinman was considering replicating But it was cost prohibitive with out
some more info to justify the claim [in his opinion]
Quote from: skribat on April 23, 2015, 07:44:42 AM
I don't have to do better than anything .. .. .. and that isn't the way to get me to give up my free time to go searching things for you .. either you would like to see it or you wouldn't as things are at the moment I really don't give a damn. .. so take it or leave it .. go search for it yourself.
All right, let me put it this way.
I know more, and more importantly _have demonstrated more_ about these topics than you, or the presenter in the video you linked. "Tesla's little secret"? Again, I laugh at you. 10,000 kW? Do you understand the difference between Peak Power and Average Power? Many people who post here apparently do not. I've shown devices here repeatedly using "tesla's little secret" that have Peak Power output in that range.... but I know fully well that they are not "overunity" and I know why and how they attain those Peak Power levels. You put your faith in a rather obvious hoaxer, fine .... you really are wasting your "free time" and you'd be better off doing something productive on your own, or educating yourself about the _facts_ of Telsa's actual work. If you want to know some real information about real modern research into Tesla's work, find and read the work of the Corum brothers.... if you are able to understand it. Or continue with your delusion that Kapanadze has something worth while.... I don't give a damn, take it or leave it.
But when you post nonsense, I'll call you on it every time I see it.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 23, 2015, 12:04:43 PM
Grum:
Thank you very much for doing the tests. That shows a very high resistance. I don't know much about ground rods but I will make a few guesses. I think I read somewhere that a standard grounding rod is about eight feet long. I am going to assume that in most areas that are not in very dry climates it allows the grounding rod to make it down to the water table. Perhaps not the water table but something like a region where the soil is permanently moist and just a few feet above the actual water table. One assumes that then the resistance between two grounding rods one meter apart would be quite low.
I am absolutely NOT asking you to do that, I am more than content to guess at this point in time. I can always do the research myself if needed.
MileHigh
Dear MileHigh.
You're welcome.
Here in the UK the " Bog standard " earth rod is 4' long ( 1.3 M ). We are very lucky to have a comprehensive earth connection provided by the various supply companies. So earth rods, for the most part are used as back up, " Belt and Braces " so to speak.
I remember when the Pump storage scheme being built near Llanberis N Wales the CEGB had to install a massive mat under the bottom lake to get sufficient " Ground " due to the areas lack of soil depth. It still did not prevent a massive disruption to local telecommunications when an Earthing test was carried out !!
Cheers Grum.
Anyone wanting to take power line data on their captor and ground rod array should get something like this..
http://powertronics.com/products/probe-100-plus-rs232-120v-ac-power-line-monitor#
It hooks to a portable or desktop computer USB port and records line conditions voltage etc. This would be plugged in
parallel to the captor's battery charger. A load of 100Watts on the captor would be indicated.
A days worth of data is a days worth. Up to a year could be reasonable coverage of data amount though one would
want a small UPS for the computer to step overpower outages.
..S..MarkSCoffman
Quote from: MileHigh on April 23, 2015, 12:11:09 PM
Chet:
Thanks for reposting Dragon's information and allowing the blind to see the images. It's fun and interesting stuff, a good learning experience for hobbyists. The power levels are very low, probably less than one-tenth of a miliwatt.
The problem is that it has nothing to do with Clarence's alleged system. That's always a danger with threads. People start to run out of ideas and before you know it everything but the kitchen sink starts getting discussed.
MileHigh
Do you mean that Dragon isn't going to be showing us how he runs his microwave oven using the circuits he's posted? Darn, I was getting excited there for a moment.
BTW, the cost of the MJE18008 transistor is... variable.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/391058088816?lpid=82&chn=ps
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENERIC-MJE18008-FNFP-MJE18008-/390913636041
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-MJE18008-Encapsulation-TO-220-/371218928486
Note that in Dragon's schematic below, there is NO CONNECTION between the "ground" wire and the rest of the circuit. Just as in the B&L claims, it is insulated wire wrapped a few turns around another insulated wire, and does not make a closed circuit connection with _anything_. There could be some capacitive coupling in such an arrangement, but that is all.
I ask you all now: Can ANYONE show any real effects on an actual circuit from such a "connection?" Get out your scopes and meters, pound in your ground rods... show me some effect that is measurable, detectable, some real effect. Can you show any _power transfer_ from the "ground" to the rest of the circuit... ANY circuit... using such a non-connection? Enough to charge a car battery or run a microwave oven? Enough to LIGHT AN LED, even? I say you cannot. Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG. Show the results of your test circuit with and without this "ground" non-connection in place.
While you are considering this, note well that Clarence reportedly DOES NOT USE this non-connection any more, if he ever did ... his little loop is connected to the circuit in a manner that simply turns the ground rod array into a big resistor for the _mains supply_ current that is actually providing the energy for his scheme.
Yes this is quite true [NO CONNECTION} ..and He also recommends starting with LED's
Not microwave ovens.
and to look for a means to this
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the last piece of puzzel is getting the current loop and earth to form a ferroresonant connection...
Quote from: ramset on April 23, 2015, 03:07:25 PM
Yes this is quite true [NO CONNECTION} ..and He also recommends starting with Small LED's
Not microwave ovens.
I have no doubt that some of the circuits Dragon posted will light up an LED or two. That is not in dispute. What I am disputing is that specific non-connection to ground as shown in the B&L patent and reproduced in the last diagram above. Let's see some demonstrated effect, some significant power transfer, from _that specific setup_.
I want to see someone light up an LED with that non-contact few loops being the only "connection" to ground, and show the same circuit _not_ lighting the LED when that "ground" is removed from the circuit.
Quote from: ramset on April 23, 2015, 03:07:25 PM
Yes this is quite true [NO CONNECTION} ..and He also recommends starting with LED's
Not microwave ovens.
and to look for a means to this
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the last piece of puzzel is getting the current loop and earth to form a ferroresonant connection...
That last part is just silly.
http://www.hdelectriccompany.com/assets/files/Ferroresonance%20Explained_Incident%20Prevention%20Article_100212.pdf (http://www.hdelectriccompany.com/assets/files/Ferroresonance%20Explained_Incident%20Prevention%20Article_100212.pdf)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroresonance_in_electricity_networks
Should be noticed that Dragon has said this about enclosed schematic
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It's simply my interpretation of the patent drawings and could very well be wrong or incomplete to some degree.
end Quote
Also I am not quite certain what Dragon implies by "Ferro resonance"
I will ask him...
** And here is the response from dragon
ferroresonance is a condition that occurs in a system where there is a non linear inductance in series with a capacitive link. If the system is being driven by a frequency, such as a 50/60 hz line, and the inductance shifts to a level that makes the capacitive link resonant then it creates a short circuit or a switch of sorts. This can cause high voltage conditions to occur and/or over current situations that can damage components.
When the current in the loop varies the inductance of the coil changes based on the saturation of the core. If the conditions are right this forms a resonant series LC in which case has only the resistance of the conductors to deter transfer - basically a dead short
Here is a huge unresolved issue:
Quoting Clarence:
<<<
C. HOW do you know when you have reached the point when you are at
the needed Level of potential? (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fhuh.gif&hash=d6ee855eba4456f74563eb220bc8ccc44eeafd3c)
SIMPLE!!!! when the voltage from the ground return NEUTRAL across
the CAPTOR output PHASE reads the EXACT SAME rms as is shown
ACROSS THE INVERTER OUTPUT then you are ONLY AT THE TIPPING
POINT!!!! you will STILL have to add MORE RODS!!!! say 10 to 20 -
and after you apply loads and the rms on the CAPTOR output starts to
drop somewhat you can KNOW you will still need some more
potential from the earth by adding a few more rods.
" ITS CALLED ENERGY FROM THE EARTH" the NAME of the system-
STICK IT IN YOUR SKULLS people!!!!
>>>
Is anybody willing to ask him where you are supposed to put your multimeter probes to make the two measurements highlighted in bold?
Here is an off-topic clip from the great YouTuber Thunderf00t where he debunks Solar (freaking) Roadways:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV-RnVQdcs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV-RnVQdcs)
There are many lessons to learn in that clip but there are two that I want to especially mention.
1. They never show you any data about how much power their little outdoor driveway demo can produce.
Think about it - the whole point for "Solar Roadways" is to generate power, and they don't show you how much power they can generate with their outdoor "Solar Roadways" driveway. They have a working real-world physical example of their device and they don't tell you how much power it produces.
2. They never show you the LED illumination during the daytime, they only show you fake computer renderings, when they have a real "Solar Roadway" sitting right there on their little outdoor driveway.
Think about it - another big selling point is for the "Solar Roadways" is the capability to reconfigure driving lanes, direction signs, crosswalks, but they don't show you it in the daytime even though they have a real prototype outside their house.
The reason for that is because the LED illumination is not visible during the daytime.
Clarence is playing the same kind of game with you guys. You have to put your rational minds in gear. The most important thing is for Clarence to present valid data. Equally important is for you to just look at the proposal and using your own wits figure out that it will never work in a million years. Equally important is to call out quackery when you see it.
MileHigh
Your site an example of a product for sale , Clarence is selling nothing .
Unless you suspect he is financially benefiting ??
maybe a grounding rod salesman......?
Chet:
You argument is not applicable. I am only talking about the merits or lack of merits of the alleged technology.
How about asking Clarence where you are supposed to put your multimeter probes?
MileHigh
Quote from: ramset on April 23, 2015, 03:37:15 PM
Should be noticed that Dragon has said this about enclosed schematic
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It's simply my interpretation of the patent drawings and could very well be wrong or incomplete to some degree.
end Quote
It is correct wrt the "ground" non-connection as claimed by B&L and also as appears in the first sketches attributed to Clarence, I believe. It is not correct with respect to the circuit allegedly used _now_ by Clarence, where this non-connection now connects to the mains input, turning the ground rod array into a big resistor.
So how anyone could call Clarence's circuit a "replication" of the B&L claims is beyond me, since this fundamental element of the "captor" circuit is completely different.
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Also I am not quite certain what Dragon implies by "Ferro resonance"
I will ask him...
** And here is the response from dragon
ferroresonance is a condition that occurs in a system where there is a non linear inductance in series with a capacitive link. If the system is being driven by a frequency, such as a 50/60 hz line, and the inductance shifts to a level that makes the capacitive link resonant then it creates a short circuit or a switch of sorts. This can cause high voltage conditions to occur and/or over current situations that can damage components.
When the current in the loop varies the inductance of the coil changes based on the saturation of the core. If the conditions are right this forms a resonant series LC in which case has only the resistance of the conductors to deter transfer - basically a dead short
Sounds like he's at least read the documents I linked up above, even if not fully understood them. Now let's see if he can explain how this condition could possibly occur in the B&L circuit or the one Clarence is allegedly using-- especially without blowing the inverter and/or battery charger.
I'd also like to know why one rod should be deeper than the other. Was it the "North" rod that is supposed to be deeper? Is this the case in the Southern Hemisphere as well? Where is some actual data that I can examine, comparing the results from ground rods sunk to various depths? Is it possible to see an image of the original laboratory notebook where the original data on ground rod depth was recorded?
-)
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 23, 2015, 06:30:56 PM
It is correct wrt the "ground" non-connection as claimed by B&L and also as appears in the first sketches attributed to Clarence, I believe. It is not correct with respect to the circuit allegedly used _now_ by Clarence, where this non-connection now connects to the mains input, turning the ground rod array into a big resistor.
So how anyone could call Clarence's circuit a "replication" of the B&L claims is beyond me, since this fundamental element of the "captor" circuit is completely different.
Sounds like he's at least read the documents I linked up above, even if not fully understood them. Now let's see if he can explain how this condition could possibly occur in the B&L circuit or the one Clarence is allegedly using-- especially without blowing the inverter and/or battery charger.
I'd also like to know why one rod should be deeper than the other. Was it the "North" rod that is supposed to be deeper? Is this the case in the Southern Hemisphere as well? Where is some actual data that I can examine, comparing the results from ground rods sunk to various depths? Is it possible to see an image of the original laboratory notebook where the original data on ground rod depth was recorded?
-)
Actually, according to some Russian research from years ago, the north is the plus and should be deeper such that the bottom of your electrodes form the same angle as the magnetic dip angle for your area. (taking into consideration the distance between them) In my case here I think that was 20 degrees or so. (I published a chart on the old earth battery topic years ago and I am on a different computer now and it is not saved in favorites) The south electrode is -. But, it is not magnetic North South but the meridian North South. In my case the deviation is only 3 degrees but in many cases it would be much more than that.
Earth batteries do work but, no more OU than solar. Yes I used carbon and magnesium for the electrodes which will give a galvanic result of (I am going from memory here) 1.3-1.5 volts yet, I was obtaining 2.7 volts and higher. Enough to power a JT camera circuit using two 10F super caps to light a 48" floro tube and also, at another test, 400 leds.
Funny thing is, when it rained, my volts and power went lower...my best results were in the middle of summer with a dry ground condition.
Possibly off topic but maybe not as my experiments with energy from the ground really worked. (and still do)
Bill
Those are great results Bill, but I'm wondering if you did any control experiments to determine if it was indeed some kind of magnetic field effect, or was more "earth battery" electrochemistry in action. For example, did you try two ground rods that were east-west instead of north south, to see if you got no or greatly reduced output power? There are a handful of other control experiments that come to mind that would test the hypothesis that the Earth's magnetic field, or "telluric currents" have something to do with the power output you found. But without some kind of control comparison, we have a demonstration, not an experiment, and causality cannot be determined from demonstrations.
Did you try different depths yourself? I am afraid I don't trust much Russian reporting if it's not in peer-reviewed journals, and sometimes not even then. There are some great Russian scientists of course, but there are also more than their fair share of hoaxers, misinterpreters and simple false claimants.
It's not completely off-topic, since Clarence allegedly isn't using the non-contact ground wire any more. But then it isn't really a B&L replication any more, either, is it.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 23, 2015, 11:06:29 PM
Those are great results Bill, but I'm wondering if you did any control experiments to determine if it was indeed some kind of magnetic field effect, or was more "earth battery" electrochemistry in action. For example, did you try two ground rods that were east-west instead of north south, to see if you got no or greatly reduced output power? There are a handful of other control experiments that come to mind that would test the hypothesis that the Earth's magnetic field, or "telluric currents" have something to do with the power output you found. But without some kind of control comparison, we have a demonstration, not an experiment, and causality cannot be determined from demonstrations.
Did you try different depths yourself? I am afraid I don't trust much Russian reporting if it's not in peer-reviewed journals, and sometimes not even then. There are some great Russian scientists of course, but there are also more than their fair share of hoaxers, misinterpreters and simple false claimants.
It's not completely off-topic, since Clarence allegedly isn't using the non-contact ground wire any more. But then it isn't really a B&L replication any more, either, is it.
Well, before I had my good set-up with the large carbon rod and 5 lb mag. block, I actually did have my first few tests done in an east/west configuration. I had not read that Russian report at that time and I just stuck the electrodes in my garden and it turned out they were east/west.
Not an apples/apples test because my new set-up has much more surface area and mass so...the short answer is no.
In the early days, I did use 2 pieces of copper pipe cut from the same 6' pipe (again, stuck in the ground east/west at same depth) and got .7 volts. This was to dispel folks that claimed only galvanic action for others results in that topic area. However, there was not much power, maybe 2 mA's if I recall.
I really have no idea about the dip angle being relevant or not but I had read that and since I was using the new electrodes I figured I would give it a go. When it worked as well as it did, I just kept seeing how much I could light up from it and didn't even consider moving it around to see if it mattered or not. I am not endorsing that Russian study, just mentioning it as it seemed relevant here as of late.
I believe Stubblefield also mentioned placing the electrodes on a north/south alignment and he claimed no erosion of any of the metals used. I can not substantiate this as I have not dug up my magnesium since I buried it. (It may be 90% gone for all I know) I have pulled the carbon rods twice and they are fine. (They are easy to pull out)
If I get time this summer, I may see what is happening out there and repair the damage the lawn guys did to my wires and give it another go. I can also post more scope shots since I should be better with my scope now than back then...maybe not...we will see. There are some high spikes flying all over the place and I think that was what was filling my super caps vs what I could measure with my dmm.
Here is a shot I took hopefully showing all of the spikes...which, of course, could easily be man made and leakage from the wiring in my area.
Bill
PS The spikes do not really show up in the photos...they flash on and off the scope and jump all over the place. I will check my video I made of them and if they show up better...I will edit a link here.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBAU4HAMfs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBAU4HAMfs)
TK You can see those spikes especially near the end of the video. I have not seen this vid in years and, it shows up pretty well. I still have no idea what those 3 overlapping waves were or, that waveform at the end of the vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaUBxUJrGzY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaUBxUJrGzY)
100 LEDs powered from the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fV-xjRy3I4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fV-xjRy3I4)
18" floro tube powered from the ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kL8ys8m0-4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kL8ys8m0-4)
48" floro tube powered from the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLzdHRovnbo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLzdHRovnbo)
200 leds powered from the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY)
Bedini motor powered from the ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agqKEed7AOI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agqKEed7AOI)
400 leds powered from the ground.
Bill
***EDIT*** I wanted to add that more than likely some, or a lot of this energy may be galvanic but, from the numbers, I don't see how all of it can be.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 14, 2015, 12:17:46 PM
Brad:
Thanks for the correction but it doesn't make any difference. Having the earth ground wire loop a few turns around the secondary high-current captor loop is really nothing more than electronics quackery that doesn't mean anything. It's just like other parts of the circuit are electronics quackery. To tell the truth I was aware that there were three or four variations on the CAD-based schematic and I wasn't willing to spend 10 or 15 minutes trying to figure out which one was a perfect match.
Your comments about the number of grounding rods is not necessarily true. It's just as easily arguable that the number of rods in the setup is never really an issue and it is not a "choke point" for the current flow at all. You can make a reasonable assumption that it's possible that no matter the number of rods, the conductivity through the ground remains very high. For example, if the soil resistance between the two sets of grounding rods varies let's say between 0.4 ohms and 0.8 ohms depending on the number of rods, then it's not going to really make any difference at all. I am making an assumption about the resistance because it never occurred to Clarence to make that measurement, plus he wouldn't know how to make the measurement anyway. As far as Clarence saying that he got more power to the load, I take that all with a huge grain of salt. It's possible that it's a "good story" for the narrative and leave it at that. Even if he did observe more power to the load, it could have been because of another factor, which most likely Clarence would not have been able to distinguish.
There are several caveats here. Firstly, I don't know what the typical resistance would be between sets of grounding rods. I am making an assumption that the rods are at least one meter in length, and the lower parts of the rods make it down to very moist or even water-logged soil. Under those conditions I am making an assumption of less than one ohm, and for all I know it might even be less than 1/10th of an ohm. I really don't know. It's a pretty strange measurement to make, so it might be very hard to find that information, I didn't try. Secondly, I have no idea what kind of soil there is where Clarence is, how wet the soil is, how long his rods are, when did it last rain, and so on and so forth. I read that they said those variables were discussed among the EF members, but not Clarence himself. However, we can't forget that two sets of grounding rods in soil are at the EXACT SAME GROUND POTENTIAL, and that means they are as dead as a doornail with respect to "extracting power from the ground."
MileHigh
QuoteSecondly, I have no idea what kind of soil there is where Clarence is, how wet the soil is, how long his rods are, when did it last rain, and so on and so forth. I read that they said those variables were discussed among the EF members, but not Clarence himself.
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MH, you have worn out my patience and I am a very patient man. You are the poster child for the syndrome I WILL BLUSTER AND TO HELL WITH THE FACTS.
Clarence gave a
clearly detailed description of his soil conditions. You have raved and ranted about LACK OF DATA. The lack of data is your burden because, possibly, you have such a low attention level, that you have ignored published facts that even a high school child would have noticed. Or, at least, SHOULD have noticed before making an idiotic claim that those facts had not been published.
This is not the only serious point on which you have severely and unfairly criticized and insulted a probably sincere and honest man who apparently was acting to be helpful to all humanity, even nut jobs who don't deserve it.
Do you want an extended list of the points on which you have unjustly crucified him as a result of your own grossly ineffective perceptual and perceptive abilities?
It is available.
CANGAS 160
Quote from: MileHigh on April 16, 2015, 02:42:36 PM
I will attempt to coin a term, "The Housewife-iPad factor."
I worked in computer graphics 25 years ago. A long time ago, but look at something like the iPad. It's just a computer, a graphics subsystem, and a display. Without ever having read about the guts inside an iPad, I still have a pretty good idea about how it works. For me, an iPad is not just a "black box," I have a good feeling for what's inside the box. What applied 25 years ago, still applies today. The chips inside a graphics computer from 25 years ago are very similar to the chips inside an iPad. The chips in the iPad and the underlying processes are just more modern.
But what about a "housewife" that never studied or read about technology? For her, the way an iPad works is so far removed from her experience, that it is almost magic. She hasn't the slightest clue about what's inside an iPad and she has no understanding about how the underlying software works. For her, the only thing she knows is that it works. She doesn't have to know how it works. For her, the inside of the iPad is just "grey mist." The software in the iPad is just "grey mist." Her mind has no frame of reference for even conceptualizing about how the iPad works.
That is the Housewife-iPad factor.
And for many so-called "free energy researchers" and replicators, the Housewife-iPad factor comes into play. It's happening for this replication. BroMikey is seriously affected by the Housewife-iPad factor. Even Clarence is suffering from the Housewife-iPad factor. There is no demonstrated capability to understand or analyze this circuit.
For them it's like the blind leading the blind. For me it's like the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.
So, anybody that is considering doing a replication has to seriously consider all of these factors. And even more importantly Clarence has to answer the questions. Or just continue sleepwalking...
I have been noticing, MH, that you have an amazing ability to alternate between an almost brain-dead persona IQ 60 or less, and this very elegant and indeed eloquent persona IQ perhaps 115. I am impressed by your range. Not that there is anything wrong with that. How do you do it?
CANGAS 161
Quote from: MileHigh on April 17, 2015, 02:25:28 PM
He didn't have the right light bulb?? You have got to be kidding.
Quote from Ariovaldo:
I will give you a possible explanation for all of this. Barbosa and Leal are criminals. They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip. The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device. They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available. When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.
Then we have "Phase II." Clarence has some psychological issues and he loves telling big stories and being the center of attention. He can lie about all sorts of things, but when asked to produce hard data that's a line he can't cross. You see, there is "colourful story" lying which in his mind is not really lying at all, and then there is outright lying where you state that you ran tests and recorded hard data but that did not take place. So he can't psychologically cross that line and make an outright lie, hence he avoids the question.
Then you have a real victim, the EF user Totoalas that is going to buy grounding rods and travel in Asia to get parts for a replication. What if he is just a guy of modest means and this is sucking all his money away from his family? Most of the people on EF are reading here. I don't for a second believe that all of you believe Clarence. Yet not a single one of you is advising caution to Totoalas, or even telling him publicly on the EF thread that you don't believe that Clarence's system works. I will remind all of you that it's 100% clear to me that Clarence knows next to nothing about electronics. That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.
MileHigh
Mile High, You have crossed over line and gone hyperbolic now.
QuoteI will give you a possible explanation for all of this. Barbosa and Leal are criminals. They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip. The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device. They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available. When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.
Your libelous fantasy is a truly scurrilous slur. There is not enough money in the universe to pay me to take your Karma.
You are sick.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 17, 2015, 02:25:28 PM
He didn't have the right light bulb?? You have got to be kidding.
I will give you a possible explanation for all of this. Barbosa and Leal are criminals. They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip. The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device. They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available. When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.
Then we have "Phase II." Clarence has some psychological issues and he loves telling big stories and being the center of attention. He can lie about all sorts of things, but when asked to produce hard data that's a line he can't cross. You see, there is "colourful story" lying which in his mind is not really lying at all, and then there is outright lying where you state that you ran tests and recorded hard data but that did not take place. So he can't psychologically cross that line and make an outright lie, hence he avoids the question.
Then you have a real victim, the EF user Totoalas that is going to buy grounding rods and travel in Asia to get parts for a replication. What if he is just a guy of modest means and this is sucking all his money away from his family? Most of the people on EF are reading here. I don't for a second believe that all of you believe Clarence. Yet not a single one of you is advising caution to Totoalas, or even telling him publicly on the EF thread that you don't believe that Clarence's system works. I will remind all of you that it's 100% clear to me that Clarence knows next to nothing about electronics. That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.
MileHigh
Mile High, You have crossed over line and gone hyperbolic now.
QuoteI will give you a possible explanation for all of this. Barbosa and Leal are criminals. They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip. The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device. They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available. When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.
Unless you can supply a link verifying that that is exactly what was proved to have happened, your libelous fantasy is a truly scurrilous slur and a damned lie. There is not enough money in the universe to pay me to take your Karma.
You are sick.
Quote That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.
And that makes you a delusional lying son of a bitch in my book, until you prove it.
CANGAS 163
Quote from: MileHigh on April 19, 2015, 01:16:13 PM
Nelson:
So your example has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.
Enjoykin:
I don't follow LENR, and it has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.
Anybody is welcome to contribute to this thread. You can forget your "OU poster conspiracy theories" also.
All:
What if I say to you that the government is lying to you?
I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.
What if I say to you that the big corporations are lying to you?
I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.
What if I say to you that Barbosa and Leal are lying to you?
Oh..... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.
What if I say to you that Clarence is lying to you?
Oh.... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.
Okay, not all of you become sheep, but some of you clearly become sheep.
I am offended that Barbosa and Leal are liars. I am offended that poor Clarence is a liar and can't admit that he never made a long-term test of his replication, and now he plays the "guru that doesn't know how to tie his own shoes."
And I feel dismay that very few people around here are able to have an honest discussion about the merits or the lack of merits for a given free energy proposition. Even people with very basic electronics skills should be able to recognize how silly and stupid it is to have a device that includes two short-circuited toroidal transformers.
So I made my points about this silly project and had a serious technical discussion about it. Nobody has tried to argue my technical points at all.
So let's all sit back and watch the people struggle with their replication attempts while Clarence struggles and tries to navigate himself through a world of electronics he knows very little about. Clarence is just a victim of Barbosa and Leal, pretending he knows what he is doing, and ultimately creating more victims when people try to replicate his unproven nonsense.
This is a classic case of reality being stranger than fiction.
MileHigh
'HIGH, what if I say to you that
you are a liar? And remind you that in the Judeo-Christian religion, which I embrace, any and every liar is condemned by God to unending burning fire of Hell? And therefore any and every unrepentant liar is a
Goddam liar?
And what if I remind you that many posts ago,
you falsely claimed that Clarence did not explain a detail about the wiring of his grounding array that you, in your limited intellect, found yourself befuddled? And what if I can easily show that Clarence had indeed explained the detail, but, in your apparently unlimited talent for being, and, behaving as if you are a silly unobservant fool, you said he did not explain it?
You are really not very smart, boy.
Happy to help
CANGAS 164
Dear Cangas 162 . I'm pleased to see that you also noticed that his attention span appears to be failing .. he is still remembering what he read 20 years ago instead of properly evaluating things put before him. he has become abusive and a lost cause, a complete waste of time and now people don't wish to communicate with him. Most of the questions he asks have been deal with several times, the information is out there and he is too lazy to properly read the posts. sk
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2015, 10:51:29 PM
So Clarence has 60 ground rods pushed... not BEATEN, but pushed... into the ground in his yard? I just have one question:
Who mows his lawns?
(That map is interesting. Do you want to be where the field is strong? Then the Upper Peninsula of Michigan looks like where you want to be. I've heard the mosquitoes there are the size of small sparrows. And I do believe it gets rather cold in the winter. But the ice fishing is supposed to be good.)
Well, Tink, you seem to have a common problem with the other professional naysayers around here: you don't waste your valuable time to actually read the news. To your obvious total lack of knowing, commonly said, in your
ignorance, his lawn mowing is no problem. Clarence ground rods and their wiring are all under the surface of the ground, after installation, according to rules of the land-owner, as plainly written early in this Thread, as any fool could have clearly seen. If literate. :) And if having the common human courtesy of actually reading the Thread before blustering into it like a drunk African bull elephant.
CANGAS 165
Quote from: tinman on April 22, 2015, 08:31:47 AM
I think this one has ground rod's :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUZO1v8c7lU
The plural of R O D is R O D S. Not rod's. Got's it's?
CANGAS 167
CANGAS ONE-SIXTY: You are one firey aggressive animal of a man.
Skribat: You are the sidekick of wonder.
Both of you: Have you noticed that Clarence's stock has been sinking fast on EF? If you want to be ahead of the game you should short-sell him. Explain to us how this contraption works? How does it actually work? Please annotate a schematic and post some timing diagrams. There are synchronous AC power supplies in the GROUND? Something like, "There's juice in them thar hills?"
If you both believe in this quackery, then why don't both of you GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT?
You both are probably on EF also? Why don't you ask Clarence where you put your multimeter probes on his schematic to verify the measurements he talks about? Look at post #1741 to see Clarence's instructions.
You want more information from another high technology free energy company that also leverages battery and inverter technology? They may be able to help you with your builds:
www.magnacoaster.com (http://www.magnacoaster.com)
Some comments from Level on EF worth repeating here:
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Hello citfta. I had already pointed out to Clarence in this thread that the Barbosa and Leal patent does not show the neutral being grounded with another separate ground connection like that. Clarence replied that he was intentionally making it a SWER (single wire earth return) setup, as that is the only way he could get his setup to 'work'. It is obvious that Clarence does not have a technical background, and therefore what he may think is 'working' appears to be just the battery powering the system through the inverter. His battery starts to run down after running a load for a little while, and then he has to recharge the battery by plugging the battery charger into the mains. I have been holding off completely ruling out something out of the ordinary going on in Clarence's setup on the off chance that the 'captor loop' part might actually be adding something to the performance, but with Clarence pretty much refusing to do any meaningful analysis of how his setup is performing, we just can't say for certain.
We could have easily sorted this all out very quickly if Clarence had been open to doing some very basic tests regarding how his setup performs under a few different conditions, but it appears that this is something that Clarence was afraid of finding out. It seems he may have wanted to just blindly believe that his setup is over unity, and therefore wanted nothing to do with any testing that might show otherwise. The only other explanation I can think of for Clarence's behavior in this regard is that Clarence knew his setup was not working, but he believed he might be close but thought that the problem was with the earth ground not being suitable in his area. By claiming that his setup was 'working' and encouraging people to replicate, he may have been hoping that someone might get it working and show to Clarence that the problem with his own setup was with the earth ground in his area. However, I don't think it is likely that is what the problem is with Clarence's setup. I think that if Barbosa and Leal's devices really can self run, then there may be one or more things that they have hidden or misdirected in their patent documents that replicators are still missing. There is of course also the possibility that their devices just don't work at all, but I am still not jumping to any conclusions myself about that yet.
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Don't be surprised if Clarence is on his last legs, on his way out. In this day and age you can disappear with a single click of the mouse.
[quote author=Pirate88179 link=topic=13721.msg447483#msg447483 date=1429847560
Bill
***EDIT*** I wanted to add that more than likely some, or a lot of this energy may be galvanic but, from the numbers, I don't see how all of it can be.
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Dear Bill.
With respect.
I myself feel that this cannot be galvanic, at least what I am seeing. A galvanic reaction requires dissimilar materials. I am using a pair of Copper plated rods !! The other point I would like to make is the fact that I am seeing the voltage instantly, surety the Ionic path would take some time to cover the 8 M, 26 feet of distance !!
And would galvanism explain this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x__NQOtrzf0
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: CANGAS on April 24, 2015, 07:33:36 AM
Well, Tink, you seem to have a common problem with the other professional naysayers around here: you don't waste your valuable time to actually read the news. To your obvious total lack of knowing, commonly said, in your ignorance, his lawn mowing is no problem. Clarence ground rods and their wiring are all under the surface of the ground, after installation, according to rules of the land-owner, as plainly written early in this Thread, as any fool could have clearly seen. If literate. :) And if having the common human courtesy of actually reading the Thread before blustering into it like a drunk African bull elephant.
CANGAS 165
Well, leaving aside the usual script you are following where people who have no evidence for their claims just insult their questioners rather than providing the evidence.... you've answered the question: He has no need to mow because he must have no lawn left! 60 ground rods "pushed not POUNDED" into the ground with tops below the surface, holes drilled by water-drilling, all connected with buried wires linking them to each other and to his "captor" system..... Let's see a photograph of this great muddy mess.
You're hilarious, with your insults and personal attacks. Here's the response you deserve for your eighth-grade insults: "I'm rubber you're glue, bounces off me and sticks to you, nyah nyah nyah..."
If you are having trouble decoding that, it means that your silly insults affect the facts not at all, affect me not at all, and only reflect badly upon your own character.
Quote from: Grumage on April 24, 2015, 01:40:28 PM
And would galvanism explain this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x__NQOtrzf0
Cheers Grum.
Excellent experiment of your son Grum.
What made voltage rising was Scalar electromagnetic filed. H* = - div A.
In two simple words - longitudinal scalar waves running through the rod and ground.
What scalar waves are ?? Kind of preassure waves which make deformation (gradient) of electric potential lines at ground and rod. Remember original Tesla picture from 1900th with air pump pumping earth balloon.
Reg.
Enjoykin !!
Grum
dragon has some additional thoughts on this "energy from the ground"
he mentioned this patent which highlights a "Jump " phenomena attached to Ferro resonance
http://www.google.com/patents/US3246219
So I asked him the following question
"Have you done any definitive testing on this Jump phenomena ??
or incorporated this into an "energy from the ground"array ?"
His response below
dragon
quote
Yes I have, bluntly speaking, I have no intention of sharing that data or my work in this area at this point in time. I laid out the information for others to investigate its potential, nothing more. In relation to the B&L device think of it as a modulator - instead of a magnet your using current (electromagnet) to alter inductance. That loop to ground , assuming its around 30pf, represents approx Xc= 88 meg ohm at 60 hz. At resonance it is zero. If it passes through resonance, as an example, 120 times per second (full cycle) there is a hard pulse sent into the ground allowing current to return through the same link causing huge shifts.
What would happen if there was an exchange of electrons through the ground loop from the current loop in clarences schematic? A shorted inverter...
The way I interpret this device's function is to send the Line voltage into the current loop then the same line on exit is "mixed" with voltage and its amplified current. So my question would be how do you phase mix the high current in the loop with the voltage/current input from the inverter. Leaving only the ground loop as the solution to phasing.
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Hi Guyz :)
A reminder on one of the experiments I did with the ground with HV.
Ground Dependent HV HF device
VID 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1SP9nMVWec
VID 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3hU5CCBt5k
Now imagine 150VDC + input and below 0.5 amps, that would be a a sick output.
The cap and ground is something very important here.
Enjoy.
Dear Enjoykin.
Thank you sir.
Dear Chet.
Methinks the plot thickens!! ;)
Here is a copy and paste of my post at OUR. Perhaps there might be someone here who could replicate my findings ?
Quote.
Can anyone pick up the gauntlet from me ?
I have just finished an experiment injecting the rod 8 M away with a Sinus wave and looking at the signal at the closest rod. I saw no unusual signal until the 1 mhz frequency where the received signal appeared to be larger than the applied one.
Unfortunately my FG maxes at 1.6 mhz. I wonder if anyone can push this boundary to see if the effect is both valid and maybe even increases the received signal ?
Unquote.
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 24, 2015, 04:08:29 PM
Excellent experiment of your son Grum.
What made voltage rising was Scalar electromagnetic filed. H* = - div A.
In two simple words - longitudinal scalar waves running through the rod and ground.
What scalar waves are ?? Kind of preassure waves which make deformation (gradient) of electric potential lines at ground and rod. Remember original Tesla picture from 1900th with air pump pumping earth balloon.
Reg.
Enjoykin !!
Why always indulge in your fantasies? There are no "longitudinal scalar waves running through the rod and ground" because if that was true we would have heard about it a long time ago.
There is an explanation, but "pushing your fantasies" into the explanation is not it.
Grum said that both rods are the same material. So that rules out standard galvanic corrosion. However, there could be very thin coatings on those rods that are a result of the manufacturing process. Those coatings may undergo some kind of electrochemical reaction and if there is an uneven distribution of the coatings on both rods that might explain it. Since the ground is teeming with life, and life is electrochemical in nature, that might explain it. One rod could be in an area with more active life processes than the other.
Have you ever noticed that just moving the tips of your multimeter probes across a metallic surface can show different voltages? It's possible that just a bit of finger grease between the tip of one probe and the metal surface that the probe tip is touching sets up an super tiny electrochemical battery that only lasts 30 seconds.
Just the life processes in the earth, the bacteria, the respiration and all of the other life-based chemical reactions, may generate the voltage observed. That also includes the decaying of organic matter.
The truth is I have no idea what causes the voltages that Grum observed. It could be due to telluric currents, but my gut instinct is telling me that that is not the case. I believe the observed voltages are way too high for that. Telluric currents are solar power in action, by the way.
What I am feeling is that it would not be an easy search, and it may take an hour or more to find the real reason. I am not willing to invest the energy in that.
What I can tell you is that for all my life when playing with a digital multimeter set on DC voltage, and you are just casually playing with the probes, you almost never see the display show zero volts when the multimeter is set to the most sensitive setting. Why is that? There is an explanation for that also, and I don't know precisely what it is.
One thing I know is just thermal heat, we are in a sea of thermal heat because we are above absolute zero, that heat creates white electrical AC noise - "white noise." There is white electrical noise everywhere because we are above absolute zero. There is "sky noise temperature" but don't ask me to define it because I learned it a generation ago in school.
I can tell you two things:
1. You don't know why Grum is getting the voltage measurement just like I don't know why.
2. It's NOT because of your "longitudinal scalar waves" fantasy.
You want to be a researcher with EMJunkie? Did you see how silly you both looked referencing that "paper" on the other thread?
If you are a researcher you
do not make assumptions to confirm your own bias and fantasies, NEVER.Please take my advice seriously. Electronics is not a bunch of brightly coloured jellybeans for you to eat.
MileHigh
Grumage
I think a better path would be to get you the equipment to do these experiments.
or perhaps get some method to run up the scale from another cheap method {pc driven??]
Perhaps MH or some one familiar can make a suggestion ?
Grum:
If you are going to continue with your voltage from the ground experiments, I have a suggestion for you.
When people measure voltages like this, they rarely attempt to measure the output impedance of the voltage source. There is more information to ponder once you make a measurement of the output impedance.
You know that a typical multimeter has an input impedance of one megaohm. We will assume to keep it simple that that is high enough to not affect your voltage measurements. In reality, the impedance of a voltage source from two rods in the earth may be so high that the multimeter will affect the voltage measurement. But like I said, let's simply ignore that for now.
To make the measurement:
Suppose you measure 0.2 volts DC from your rods in the ground.
Then let's say you put a 100K ohm resistor across that output voltage and your measurement drops to 0.1 volts.
That's it, you now know that the output impedance of the voltage source you are measuring is 100K ohm.
The trick is to just find the value of resistor that drops your voltage measurement by half. That resistor value is equal to the output impedance of your voltage source.
Why is it interesting? You might find short rods in dry earth give you an output impedance of 100K ohm, and longer rods in wet earth give you an output impedance of 30K ohm.
I am just making up numbers out of thin air.
What is the output impedance of an alkaline AA cell? Not sure, it might be two or three ohms.
What is the output impedance of a fresh car battery? Probably somewhere around 0.001 ohms.
It's all part of the exploration process. Quoting voltage and output impedance is five times more interesting than quoting voltage alone.
MileHigh
Also, the pH of the ground where one rod is located may be different from the pH of the ground where the other rod is located. pH is all about electro-chemistry and the ability of a given concentration of base/acid to corrode a given type of metal, among other things. It's not unreasonable to guess that the pH of the soil in one location is different than the pH of the soil in a location five meters away. That could explain the DC voltage measurement.
I am just guessing again.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 24, 2015, 04:39:14 PM
There are no "longitudinal scalar waves running through the rod and ground" because if that was true we would have heard about it a long time ago.
heard from whom ?? From your grandpa !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 24, 2015, 05:20:52 PM
heard from whom ?? From your grandpa !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ha ha, but that gets you nowhere. You are just playing the fool now.
Are you going to take my advice that I am giving to you to help you or are you just going to play the fool?
You never heard for Tesla's Colorado Springs Notes - for sure !! ;D ;D
Strange for an american Bell engineer !! :o
Grum:
One last thing. If you are going to try to measure the output impedance of various ground rod configurations, or just one configuration, you don't have to go nuts with a box of resistors at your disposal.
For example, suppose that you put a 100K ohm resistor across the voltage source and it drops in voltage by 20%. You still have all of the information that you need to calculate the output impedance, it's just a little bit trickier.
This is nothing more than an exercise based around the voltage drops for two resistances in series. If you don't know how to do it, then perhaps discuss with your peers. Truthfully, all researchers should know how to do this measurement. If you are stuck, let me know. Correctly wording a Google search will almost certainly land you on the answer, but then you don't get the satisfaction of figuring it out for yourself.
MileHigh
Enjoykin:
Learn how to resize your uploaded images, bad boy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXGa__ECvnM
Big image easy eneter in your small mind, bad boy !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Two things:
A. Definition of "Etiquette."
noun
1.
conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion.
2.
a prescribed or accepted code of usage in matters of ceremony, as at a court or in official or other formal observances.
3.
the code of ethical behavior regarding professional practice or action among the members of a profession in their dealings with each other:
B. Watch this clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI
Quote from: skribat on April 24, 2015, 06:50:23 AM
Dear Cangas 162 . I'm pleased to see that you also noticed that his attention span appears to be failing .. he is still remembering what he read 20 years ago instead of properly evaluating things put before him. he has become abusive and a lost cause, a complete waste of time and now people don't wish to communicate with him. Most of the questions he asks have been deal with several times, the information is out there and he is too lazy to properly read the posts. sk
tHANK you for thanking me.
My desire here and now is that the Clarence system be given a fair hearing. The facts can show if it is a good thing or a bad thing. I really don't know yet if it is good or bad.
But I do know a lynch mob when I see it, and I dam sure don't like a lynch mob.
CANGAS 167
Quote from: CANGAS on April 25, 2015, 04:27:45 AM
tHANK you for thanking me.
My desire here and now is that the Clarence system be given a fair hearing. The facts can show if it is a good thing or a bad thing. I really don't know yet if it is good or bad.
But I do know a lynch mob when I see it, and I dam sure don't like a lynch mob.
CANGAS 167
Too bad, get over it. Clarence offered nothing that he could back up. He was asked questions about his claim, and he left.
What more do you need to know?
Why don't you spend $2,000 and sink all of those rods in your yard just to find out it does not work?
Let us know how that works out for you.
Bill
Quote from: MileHigh on April 24, 2015, 08:17:04 AM
CANGAS ONE-SIXTY: You are one firey aggressive animal of a man.
Skribat: You are the sidekick of wonder.
Both of you: Have you noticed that Clarence's stock has been sinking fast on EF? If you want to be ahead of the game you should short-sell him. Explain to us how this contraption works? How does it actually work? Please annotate a schematic and post some timing diagrams. There are synchronous AC power supplies in the GROUND? Something like, "There's juice in them thar hills?"
If you both believe in this quackery, then why don't both of you GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT?
You both are probably on EF also? Why don't you ask Clarence where you put your multimeter probes on his schematic to verify the measurements he talks about? Look at post #1741 to see Clarence's instructions.
You want more information from another high technology free energy company that also leverages battery and inverter technology? They may be able to help you with your builds:
www.magnacoaster.com (http://www.magnacoaster.com)
QuoteCANGAS ONE-SIXTY: You are one firey aggressive animal of a man.
You do not understand even the half of it, silly man.
QuoteBoth of you: Have you noticed that Clarence's stock has been sinking fast on EF? If you want to be ahead of the game you should short-sell him. Explain to us how this contraption works? How does it actually work? Please annotate a schematic and post some timing diagrams. There are synchronous AC power supplies in the GROUND? Something like, "There's juice in them thar hills?"
Jack, you piqued my interest not because I am convinced of the validity of the Clarence system (I do not know if it works or not), but because you have acted in such a fabulously neurotic and illogical manner to apparently unjustly try to prevent him from fairly airing out his message. I have not been following EF. Unlike you, I am not obsessed with an immature groupie star-fuc*er mind-set. I just want the man and his message to have a fair hearing.
CANGAS 168
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 24, 2015, 02:22:41 PM
Well, leaving aside the usual script you are following where people who have no evidence for their claims just insult their questioners rather than providing the evidence.... you've answered the question: He has no need to mow because he must have no lawn left! 60 ground rods "pushed not POUNDED" into the ground with tops below the surface, holes drilled by water-drilling, all connected with buried wires linking them to each other and to his "captor" system..... Let's see a photograph of this great muddy mess.
You're hilarious, with your insults and personal attacks. Here's the response you deserve for your eighth-grade insults: "I'm rubber you're glue, bounces off me and sticks to you, nyah nyah nyah..."
If you are having trouble decoding that, it means that your silly insults affect the facts not at all, affect me not at all, and only reflect badly upon your own character.
Well, Tink, you have convinced ME that
you really have a silly bitch-mouth! You must be really impressive to all the silly bitches you normally associate with.
Obviously your present silly bitch-mouthing is a ploy to divert from the fact that you completely overlooked the fact that Clarence explained his situation, you completely missed his message, you complained about his lack of information, and now, your pitiful bloated narcissistic ego is desperate to focus attention on something other than your own failure.
G'day
CANGAS 169
Nobody is stopping Clarence from saying whatever he wants. Based on his recent behaviour, he would probably have a freak-out if you asked him where to put his multimeter probes to make the measurements that he himself specified.
Reading between your lines, I don't think you believe him either. I think you have enough common sense to know it's crap.
If you could just step back for a second and realize that if he got five people to replicate and rip up their backyards for his bullshit and throw a lot of money away, you might have the guts to say what he is doing is wrong. This is not some guy asking you to build a pulse motor with a junk VCR helical head bearing, it's considerably more than that. It's ultimately just an attempt at social engineering.
You do realize that some people get off on watching other people jump through hoops for a twisted psychological pleasure.
Beyond that, you know that I know enough about this stuff to call it for what it really is - crap. And you know there is a long history of crap around here.
So, you can doubt Clarence, hate me, and respect me all at the same time, silly boy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1zgmM2lalo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1zgmM2lalo)
Quote from: MileHigh on April 25, 2015, 05:12:28 AM
Nobody is stopping Clarence from saying whatever he wants. Based on his recent behaviour, he would probably have a freak-out if you asked him where to put his multimeter probes to make the measurements that he himself specified.
Reading between your lines, I don't think you believe him either. I think you have enough common sense to know it's crap.
If you could just step back for a second and realize that if he got five people to replicate and rip up their back yards for his bullshit and throw a lot of money away, you might have the guts to say what he is doing is wrong. This is not some guy asking you to build a pulse motor with a junk VCR helical head bearing, it's considerably more than that. It's ultimately just an attempt at social engineering.
You do realize that some people get off on watching other people jump through hoops for a twisted psychological pleasure.
Beyond that, you know that I know enough about this stuff to call it for what it really is - crap. And you know there is a long history of crap around here.
So, you can doubt Clarence, hate me, and respect me all at the same time, silly boy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1zgmM2lalo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1zgmM2lalo)
QuoteSo, you can doubt Clarence, hate me, and respect me all at the same time, silly boy.
doubt Clarence: I am patiently waiting to see how the factual evidence proves out.
hate me: You have solidly earned that.
respect me: No way in Hell. You have gone
way over the line.
CANGAS 170
Yeah rock on Cangas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtAsaDKB0eY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B51A6bcMeDY
Quote from: MileHigh on April 25, 2015, 05:54:04 AM
Yeah rock on Cangas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtAsaDKB0eY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtAsaDKB0eY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B51A6bcMeDY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B51A6bcMeDY)
Yeah - now were rocking! :) Loads of free energy there. ;D
Quote from: CANGAS on April 25, 2015, 05:11:25 AM
Well, Tink, you have convinced ME that you really have a silly bitch-mouth! You must be really impressive to all the silly bitches you normally associate with.
Obviously your present silly bitch-mouthing is a ploy to divert from the fact that you completely overlooked the fact that Clarence explained his situation, you completely missed his message, you complained about his lack of information, and now, your pitiful bloated narcissistic ego is desperate to focus attention on something other than your own failure.
G'day
CANGAS 169
Channelling Captain Zero now, are you? How does it feel to be a useless sock puppet that can't do his own work, can't provide cogent arguments and can only insult people instead of providing something of substance? I laugh at you.
You cannot refute me with _facts and evidence_ so you follow the same script as all the rest of the False Claimants: you descend into pottymouth playground insults that would sound silly coming from an eighth-grader, but merely sound hilariously pitiful coming from you.
Cangas:
So you are a big tough guy, is that it? Defender of the Universe and all that stuff? Are you fearless?
Do you possess basic electronics common sense, yes or no?
Have a look at the attached graphic. You see the coiled neutral wire that wraps around the captor secondary where I have it labeled, "This coiled wire is electronics quackery."
Do you agree with that statement? Will you show us your manhood and step up to the plate and speak your mind fearlessly?
MileHigh
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 25, 2015, 08:21:39 AM
Channelling Captain Zero now, are you? How does it feel to be a useless sock puppet that can't do his own work, can't provide cogent arguments and can only insult people instead of providing something of substance? I laugh at you.
You cannot refute me with _facts and evidence_ so you follow the same script as all the rest of the False Claimants: you descend into pottymouth playground insults that would sound silly coming from an eighth-grader, but merely sound hilariously pitiful coming from you.
Tink, you have perfectly described YOUR OWN SELF in your tantrum aimed at me. LOL!
Believe me, Jack, I AM LAUGHING AT YOU. Or, perhaps more correctly, at your programmer. ;)
CANGAS 171
Quote from: MileHigh on April 25, 2015, 08:26:30 AM
Cangas:
So you are a big tough guy, is that it? Defender of the Universe and all that stuff? Are you fearless?
Do you possess basic electronics common sense, yes or no?
Have a look at the attached graphic. You see the coiled neutral wire that wraps around the captor secondary where I have it labeled, "This coiled wire is electronics quackery."
Do you agree with that statement? Will you show us your manhood and step up to the plate and speak your mind fearlessly?
MileHigh
OMG! When will I stop laughing my ass off rolling on the floor?! ROFLMA!
I'm gonna bust a gut!
I never brought up an issue of tech savvy. It is your paranoid delusion, along with your extreme inability to maintain attention for more than 1.98 seconds.
My dilemma is that you et al have set upon Clarence like a lynch mob unfairly before he ever had a full opportunity to completely demonstrate his system.
Perhaps he is wrong and his system does not give free energy.
Perhaps he is right and free energy is a great gift to humanity.
I do not know. I just know that, obviously, you and your bed-fellows set upon him to cut short his disclosure.
CANGAS 172
So you are a scared, clueless, gutless wonder that doesn't have enough character to answer the question.
dragon has shared some very interesting comments about his 15 year journey investigating
"Energy from The ground"
post #339 from here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-12.html
dragon
Quote
BroMikey, Your battery information is great for those starting out, learning to calculate power needs is extremely important when you want to convert to off grid living - knowing your power needs for various loads can be an eye opener when your trying to reduce your bill.
I've been running my home on a battery storage system for over 15 years now. I have several inverters ( approximately 6000 watts of total capacity) carrying the loads with a small 1400 Ah battery bank. I'm not completely off grid as I can't run any of my 220 volt loads as yet. With the introduction of the newer pure sinewave stuff I can now convert my several smaller inverters to a split phase 220 unit that will replace the grid line to my main box, grid becomes a back up at that point. This system runs my home 24/7.
The input to this system is 1500 watts of solar, 1000 watt wind as well as a few different alternatives which I've built. My consumption is generally around 7-10kwh per day average. It can be quite challenging at times to become your own power station but the rewards are many.
I believe my goals are very similar to those that visit these forums so we are all looking for one simple thing - The plain simple truth, nothing more.
If Clarence is on the level and he has achieved the holy grail then I applaud him, bow to him and build it... but... if he's being deceptive in any way it benefits no one. The same investment could provide me with another 1500 watts of guaranteed power - all I have to do is install it.
I do all my own work, most of the schematics I've posted have never been seen before, I post nothing that I haven't tested and proven myself unless I state that it is a conceptual design outright. You have to admit that these forums are packed full of deception, not always in a bad way but what ever the motivation people spend hard earned money in an attempt to achieve some magical end only to find out it was just a pile of hooey from someone that wanted some attention, money or what ever.
I tend to be blunt and factual as I see it... if I'm wrong I'll be the first to humble myself and apologize. I am extremely open minded and will build anything given I have a reasonable belief that it is "truth".
I became interested in the B&L device primarily because I was looking for a current source, the basics of this is current. I wound up a toroid and with a little experimentation I found I could generate 400 amps with a mere 15 watt input - beautiful - with some nichrome strands I should be able to heat water with very little energy. I noticed something else from this... I wrapped a coil of 1/0 cable around an 8" PVC form to reduce the draw on the primary of the torroid which dropped the input down to 8 watts, still providing the overall 400 amp/T ratio when I noticed a ceramic magnet more than 6 ft away chattering bringing it close to the coil was amazing - that shouts motor drive quite loudly to me. No magic just plain logic and truth.
So the moral is, see things for what they are - then look at things not necessarily for what they were intended but for what they could be.
Like or disllike me for what ever reason makes no difference - I will continue searching for truth while picking up the bread crumbs along the way. There are a lot of good things gained from any journey...
end quote
Chet:
I commend Dragon and Level, there are certainly some good comments on the EF thread that are giving the discussion some balance. Ultimately that's good for everyone all around.
One thing Dragon is not mentioning is the return on investment (ROI) for his solar/wind/battery system. That is a huge hole in his description of his setup. It sounds quite expensive to me. I am not sure if the prices for solar panels and electronics are still falling. If the ROI is 10-15 years, then I think lots of people could stomach that. However, if it's 40 years, then probably most people would prefer to pay their monthly electric bill. Only if you are very idealistic would you convert to solar/wind if the ROI is 40 years.
Sometimes I admire your "Henry Kissinger" shuttle diplomacy, jumping across forums. Sometimes you are just as frustrating as Cangas where you can't answer a straight question, or you will blindly give the benefit of the doubt to the extreme, or you play the ignore game.
Your posting is a "plant" because I jabbed Cangas for refusing to answer a straight question. It's pretty transparent. I know you always want to mean well.
But look at yourself, sometimes you are just a scared chicken like many others around here. You have been popping back and forth between OU and EF for various reasons. I asked you to ask Clarence where you are supposed to put the multimeter probes based on Clarence's own description for making measurements. You chickened out.
Why, what do you have to lose? Or is it that you are uncomfortable about putting Clarence on the spot because you are thinking excatly the same thing as me: Clarence will balk when you ask him where you are supposed to make the voltage measurements based on his own description.
Don't you think that's crazy when you step away and have a bird's eye view? Clarence, the guy making proposition talks about making some voltage measurements. Everybody on EF is seemingly too chicken to ask him where to put the bloody probes, I raise the issue, no response, so I ask you to do it as part of one of your Kissinger shuttle diplomacy missions and you ignore the request.
Believe me, you are not helping the situation at all. Level has made the same types of observations as me. Clarence is not technical at all, and he is making a highly technical pitch. Clarence makes an incomplete technical statement about voltage measurements, and I ask you to follow up to get the complete picture and you refuse. Not only you of course, there are many reading along that could just as easily have done the same thing.
There is something wrong with that picture. Seeing Clarence balk (presumably) when asked where to make his own quoted voltage measurements may wake BroMikey up out of his "state." More importantly, it may result in Totoalas reassessing his willingness to go out and spend a considerable amount of money and time and travel chasing Clarence's pipe dream.
Does that compute in your head, Chet? What's more important, Clarence's "trip" or Totoalas' financial and time decisions about this project vis a vis his family? I know nothing about Totoalas' situation, but I think he is in eastern Asia. That means he may be talking about committing a full year's worth of disposable income to do this project.
What is the right thing to do? Keep Clarence stroked or at least let Totoalas get more information to help him (and others) decide?
Some guy is suggesting a project that is going to take considerable time, money, and physical effort and when somebody asks him where to make some voltage measurements he balks. That might give even the most ardent supporter second thoughts, don't you think?
Of course the honeymoon for Clarence on EF is over and has been over for several days now. But seemingly not for Totoalas, and certainly not for BroMikey.
For all of you: If Clarence (presumably) can't even tell you where to put the multimeter probes for voltage measurements that he himself discussed (not me!) then what the hell does that say about him, and his project?
There are personal integrity and moral and financial issues for ALL of you to consider in a case like this. Who the f*ck are you really if you stand by and look at craziness take place without saying anything and people can be hurt? You know those horrible clips you can see online where someone gets hit by a car and people walk by and do nothing? Someone could be bleeding to death and they die, but they could have lived if you just stopped and put pressure on their wound while someone called 911.
You Chet, and all of you have things to think about. In some ways this is a little microcosm of life. Are you a little bunch of frozen programmed robots afraid of your own shadows, or do you have the guts to think for yourselves?
Do you just blankly look at a neutral wire wrapped around the captor secondary and for the 500th time see another project that contains something that is electrically totally stupid and say nothing because you are "pro free energy?"
Like WTF boys? (rant off)
None of us are meek. Some of us quote books, others do experiments.
I prefer to listen to the experimenters, because I already have the books to refer to.
So, when someone spends 2,000 USD of their own money, I like most decent folk,
want to see how it plays out. If the experimenter is a bit over optimistic and sensitive
I cut him some slack. Any information which can be replicated is good science.
In Edison's autobiography he states he was told bamboo cane will never be a good filament.
Bamboo cane cannot conduct electricity. Everyone knows that. It's in the book.
The rest is history.
The truest thing I read in an advanced level physics book was this, "Here is one of the few experiments
which agrees with theory in the entire book."
Experiment triumphs over theory EVERY SINGLE TIME.
QuoteExperiment triumphs over theory EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Not necessarily. If you experiment but you don't truly know what you are doing then in the majority of cases it's just a garbage-in-garbage-out situation. Especially if the experiment when viewed objectively makes no sense.
Case in point: Almost all Bedini motor experiments are junk.
All that you are really doing is showing an "experimenter's bias" that is particular to these types of forums. It's the blind belief that you are actually accomplishing something when in fact you are mostly fooling yourself. It's used as a crutch to in effect not really and truly learn. You can pretend that you are "learning" by doing mundane "experiments."
It may be harsh to say that but it's true.
Where I can agree with you is with respect to Clarence.
A perfectly valid experiment would be for Clarence to connect up a 100-watt incandescent light bulb to the inverter output and then just monitor the system and "take vital signs."
The claim is a free energy system, so let it run indefinitely. Let's be reasonable and say let it run continuously for a week. If the vital signs are still good after a week then keep running the test for a month non stop.
That is Clarence's real no-brainer experiment.
I am going to guess a car battery can put put out 100 watts for something like one day. I am too tired to crunch any numbers.
But Clarence won't do that ridiculously simple experiment. So who is chicken here?
MH
Quote
if Truly Know what you are doing.....
-----------------------------
reminds me of the Kentucky farmer when I asked for directions
""Son you Can't get there from here""
in this case quite true..they don't teach this today so "Knowing what your doing"
is a matter of great interpretation...
Doing stupid stuff like using Bamboo [GEEESE]... well personally
I would never say never.....
and we all know that we don't live in the clouds so harvesting energy from there is a bit ruff
however we all walk on the other side of that big circuit potential the Ground.
never say never...
QuoteI became interested in the B&L device primarily because I was looking for a current source, the basics of this is current. I wound up a toroid and with a little experimentation I found I could generate 400 amps with a mere 15 watt input - beautiful - with some nichrome strands I should be able to heat water with very little energy.
Somebody should correct what appears to be a major misconception on the part of Dragon. Who is going to volunteer to do that?
Or, do you all say nothing like a bunch of frozen popsicles?
Would need one more piece of information Mr.Freeze..
Unlike you my crystal ball is on the fritz again
However I Gotta go make the honey doo list go away before I can fix the crystal ball.
Quote from: ramset on April 25, 2015, 12:27:42 PM
MH
Quote
if Truly Know what you are doing.....
-----------------------------
reminds me of the Kentucky farmer when I asked for directions
""Son you Can't get there from here""
in this case quite true..they don't teach this today so "Knowing what your doing"
is a matter of great interpretation...
Doing stupid stuff like using Bamboo [GEEESE]... well personally
I would never say never.....
and we all know that we don't live in the clouds so harvesting energy from there is a bit ruff
however we all walk on the other side of that big circuit potential the Ground.
never say never...
I am not pulling that statement out of thin air. Over the last six years I have seen it over and over again. There are thousands of YouTube clips that attest to the fact.
Your argument is not valid. Almost always you have to stick your nose in a book to prepare for an experiment.
I was on a forum once and I told them that the circuit model for a battery was an ideal voltage source in series with a resistor. They balked, there was disbelief, they derided me and suggested that I was stupid.
What does that mean: You can be a "free energy researcher" for years without even knowing what the simplest model for a battery is. It explains why the battery's voltage drops under load.
In contrast, you can lay in bed at night and read about batteries in an electronics book and on the
second page they will show you the model described above.
So, which is better?
Spending
three years "experimenting" without knowing the basic circuit model for a battery?
Spending
one night in bed reading about the circuit model for a battery?
Case in point:
I covered the issue of measuring the output impedance for the voltage source that Grum was measuring with his grounding rods.
If you have a used AA battery, or you just want to monitor a new AA battery over it's life cycle in your experiment, you can make spot checks on the output impedance of the battery to monitor it's health. (Effectively it's just voltage under load done "smart" using your grey matter.)
Mr. A.King21, how many times have I seen you discuss that measurement over the years? Answer: ZERO
How many times have I read about battery output impedance measurements being discussed in threads where you have all sorts of batteries in circuits? (Including batteries that are 'plugged in backwards to recharge') Answer: ZERO
And you think "Experiment triumphs over theory EVERY SINGLE TIME?"
Speaking of Zero Milehigh.
that's about how much experience you have looking for ways to harvest energy from
the ground.
My money is on the experimenters finding something long before the fellows that don't even look.
Gotta Go do some more work [ME]
here is more from dragon answering a query from Mr. Aking at Energetic on his
High Amp from the ground experiments /experience .
A King asks this question Do you have a full circuit digram for this part [your claim /experience posted below in Quote:
Dragon
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I became interested in the B&L device primarily because I was looking for a current source, the basics of this is current. I wound up a toroid and with a little experimentation I found I could generate 400 amps with a mere 15 watt input - beautiful - with some nichrome strands I should be able to heat water with very little energy. I noticed something else from this... I wrapped a coil of 1/0 cable around an 8" PVC form to reduce the draw on the primary of the torroid which dropped the input down to 8 watts, still providing the overall 400 amp/T ratio when I noticed a ceramic magnet more than 6 ft away chattering bringing it close to the coil was amazing - that shouts motor drive quite loudly to me. No magic just plain logic and truth.
Thanks for sharing.
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Dragon's reply to Kings query ?? .. Do you have a full circuit digram for this part:
Thanks for sharing.
dragon Answers and adds schematic below.
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I haven't built the NiChrome drum to fully test the idea of heating water, only small tests with a 200 watt bulb for heat output - tested but not confirmed. The other is the diagram for the magnetic field. This actually opened a door for some interesting ideas as solutions to some previous projects that have stumped me for some time now...
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**original post number 342 here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-12.html
Dear MileHigh.
You have me perplexed. The term impedance, surely you should be asking resistance ? The term Impedance is better related to AC circuits.
Batteries have internal resistance, this is what limits their rate of output.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_impedance
I already provided the figures for my particular experiment. At 20 vdc we had a current of 0.07 A, which by ohms law gives a value of 285.7 ohms.
I also have to differ with you as regards Bedini motors. My successful Bedini Cole window motor ran continuously on the same single battery for 3 months. The battery in question was a nearly " Knackered " Yuasa 12 V 7 ah Gel cell. It never lost a millivolt, stayed at 8.6 V continuous!! For me though, it did not serve any useful purpose other than to rotate. There was no free lunch !! :)
Cheers Grum.
Most people who post on these forums actually do not do experiments, they merely do _demonstrations_ which do not have the elements that are required for a True Experiment, and hence they cannot assign or determine causal relationships amongst the variables in the system.
A True Experiment tests an hypothesis. An hypothesis is essentially an "If-then" statement about relationships between variables or qualities of a system. These variables or qualities must be "operationalized" which means stating them in a form that is _quantitative_ and amenable to measurement. Once an hypothesis is formed and the system's variables and quantities/qualities have been operationalized, then it's time to go to actual work. The experimenter varies one or more Independent Variables and looks for changes in one or more Dependent Variables, while controlling for, keeping constant or otherwise eliminating or accounting for "third variables" that could possibly also affect the Dependent Variables that are the outcome measures of the experiment.
Note that there are some technical terms with precise meanings in the above:
True Experiment
Hypothesis
Operationalization of Variables
Independent Variable
Dependent Variable
Control Experiment
Third Variables
I am not making this stuff up. Look up the terms above in your favorite scientific encyclopedia or on the internet.
As I have said, it's rare to see True Experiments being performed on this and some other forums. Hence it is rare to see anything that can actually say "This causes that" with scientific rigour.
And let's please remember Ohm's Law, which hasn't yet been repealed. 1/0 solid copper wire has a resistance of 0.09827 milliOhms per foot.
http://www.engineersedge.com/copper_wire.htm
So, say, 20 feet of it would have a resistance of about 2 milliOhms. At 400 amps of real current, the power dissipated in the wire itself would be I2R = 400 x 400 x 0.002 = about 320 Watts. And the claim is being made that this can be done with only 15 watts (or even 8 watts) of input power to the system.
Forget about Clarence and B&L, because Dragon has got everybody beat with his system that can do this!
The photo below demonstrates what just 10 Amps RMS current does when sent through some 5mm Nichrome ribbon. A True Experiment would compare this result with what happens when I send 400 Amps RMS through the same ribbon. Would anyone like to predict or guess at what the result would be?
@Grum:
You may find this page of interest:
http://lygte-info.dk/info/Internal%20impedance%20UK.html (http://lygte-info.dk/info/Internal%20impedance%20UK.html)
Also, as you must surely know, the open-circuit or lightly loaded terminal voltage of a battery is _not_ a good indicator of the state of charge of the battery. It's too bad you didn't perform a real load-test of your Bedini battery, before and after running the motor (A True Experiment, instead of just a demonstration.)
Grum:
I am not going to look at TK's link because I am over tired.
Here is my take on it for you: Yes the term impedance is associated with AC circuits and impedance changes with frequency.
"Resistance" tends to imply something that is fixed. However, the output resistance of a battery changes as the battery discharges and is a dynamic entity. Hence, people drifted towards the term "output impedance" for a battery as opposed to "output resistance" because of the dynamic nature of the entity.
Certainly output impedance changes as a battery becomes discharged. For all I know (never tested) the output impedance even changes depending on how much the battery is loaded. Also, if the battery is heavily loaded and starts to heat up inside, the output impedance will change because of that.
So I am guessing the dynamic nature of the variable made people drift towards "impedance" instead of "resistance."
If you were a battery keener, one can assume that different battery sizes and different battery chemistries will have unique "signature" output impedances.
Also, if you know the output impedance of a battery, and you model it as a simple resistor, then for a given current flow, you have a handle on how much power is being burnt off inside the battery as it drives a certain load.
What people around here always seem to forget (especially in the various cockamamie 'one battery backwards in the circuit to charge' configurations) is that when you are discharging a battery, and when you are charging a battery, energy is always being lost in the battery itself.
Finally, for all I know, I will guess that for a given battery type, the discharging impedance, and the battery charging impedance are not necessarily the same. Perhaps seeing an increase in the charging impedance of a battery is an indicator that the battery is getting old and less functional.
There are a lot of battery-type experiments on the forums, and this is never discussed. One more time, that trumps A.King21's comments about experiments reigning supreme.
For the types of experiments done around here, battery impedance may be a very useful parameter to get to know. And the majority of the experimenters just measure loaded and unloaded voltage. I am just winging this whole discussion in this posting. All that one has to do is spend a few nights researching and then doing your own bench tests to get a feel for this stuff and you will know way more than me.
MileHigh
QuoteI also have to differ with you as regards Bedini motors. My successful Bedini Cole window motor ran continuously on the same single battery for 3 months. The battery in question was a nearly " Knackered " Yuasa 12 V 7 ah Gel cell. It never lost a millivolt, stayed at 8.6 V continuous!! For me though, it did not serve any useful purpose other than to rotate. There was no free lunch !!
It all depends on how far you want to take it Grum. It looks to me like you did not make a precise measurement of the average power consumption of the motor. There are resources out there that will tell you how to do that.
One can assume that nothing remarkable took place. An old battery can run a motor a very long time as long as the average power consumption is very low. As TK stated, you did more of a "demonstration" as opposed to an "experiment."
If you had measured the average power consumption you would have been in a position to make a good estimate of how much energy the motor consumed over the course of three months, and then compared that with the ampere-hour rating of the battery. Also, if you know batteries, factoring in the output impedance, the lower the load on the battery, the more energy you can extract from the battery. So using the simplistic stated ampere-hour rating on the spec sheet would be not enough. If there are "deeper specs" for the battery they may tell you the ampere-hour rating vs. load.
MileHigh
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 25, 2015, 02:20:59 PM
@Grum:
You may find this page of interest:
http://lygte-info.dk/info/Internal%20impedance%20UK.html (http://lygte-info.dk/info/Internal%20impedance%20UK.html)
Also, as you must surely know, the open-circuit or lightly loaded terminal voltage of a battery is _not_ a good indicator of the state of charge of the battery. It's too bad you didn't perform a real load-test of your Bedini battery, before and after running the motor (A True Experiment, instead of just a demonstration.)
@ TinselKoala.
Fully aware, thank you.
Grumage.
QuoteI already provided the figures for my particular experiment. At 20 vdc we had a current of 0.07 A, which by ohms law gives a value of 285.7 ohms.
I think you are mixing apples and oranges here. That indeed was the measurement of the resistance between your two grounding rods. We are discussing issues pertaining to the output impedance of a given battery.
Nap Time...... 8)
Oh Dear Lord.
I give up. I shall leave you in peace.
Good luck everyone.
Does anybody have any suggestions on a signal generator that can do what this one does
[or better]
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rigol-DG4102-Signal-Arbitrary-Waveform-Generator-AWG-100MHz-2Channel-LCD-Display-/201081553596
the above is a bit over present budget.
used or otherwise?
all suggestions welcome [it would be going to the UK]
thanks
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on April 25, 2015, 03:03:40 PM
Nap Time...... 8)
Yeah, tell Cangas Khan that I am going into my evil underground lair for bad guys to get my beauty sleep.
While Dragon has surprised me by posting even that much, it should be clear that the circuit diagram above is _not_ complete. There is no indication of the turn count on the "primary" of the toroid. Nothing about toroid material. Nothing is indicated about the _input_ to the inverter, the inverter type (make and model), or how the input and output power measurements were done.
One of the basic requirements of the scientific reporting of "experiments" or even patent applications is that the information should enable someone "skilled in the art" to reproduce the experiment or device and (potentially, no pun intended) to get the same results as claimed. There isn't enough information in Dragon's diagram to do that.
I'd like to know the make and model of the inverter. Is it possible that the measurements are of _reactive power_ circulating in the output loop?
Quote from: ramset on April 25, 2015, 03:14:09 PM
Does anybody have any suggestions on a signal generator that can do what this one does
[or better]
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rigol-DG4102-Signal-Arbitrary-Waveform-Generator-AWG-100MHz-2Channel-LCD-Display-/201081553596 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rigol-DG4102-Signal-Arbitrary-Waveform-Generator-AWG-100MHz-2Channel-LCD-Display-/201081553596)
the above is a bit over present budget.
used or otherwise?
all suggestions welcome [it would be going to the UK]
thanks
Chet K
Any function generator capable of over 20MHz output will be similarly pricey. For a 100MHz 2-channel AWG this is actually surprisingly cheap.
Tinsel
Yes the newer models that can be hacked and do Sooo much more are leaving tonnes of
used units on Ebay for much less money.
I just can't pic a winner so easily ...
Quote from: ramset on April 25, 2015, 03:14:09 PM
Does anybody have any suggestions on a signal generator that can do what this one does
[or better]
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rigol-DG4102-Signal-Arbitrary-Waveform-Generator-AWG-100MHz-2Channel-LCD-Display-/201081553596 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rigol-DG4102-Signal-Arbitrary-Waveform-Generator-AWG-100MHz-2Channel-LCD-Display-/201081553596)
the above is a bit over present budget.
used or otherwise?
all suggestions welcome [it would be going to the UK]
thanks
Chet K
Chet:
I have been looking at this one for a while: ($125.00)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20Mhz-Dual-ch-DDS-Function-Arbitrary-Waveform-Signal-Generator-sweep-Software-/121478479995 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/20Mhz-Dual-ch-DDS-Function-Arbitrary-Waveform-Signal-Generator-sweep-Software-/121478479995)
I might have to get the 12 Mhz one for $60.00 as money is still tight over here.
TK can check the specs and tell you if it is any good. Obviously Chinese but today, what isn't?
Bill
Chet:
Here is a 24 Mhz for $138.00:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/24Mhz-Dual-ch-DDS-Function-Arbitrary-Waveform-Signal-Generator-sweep-Software-/121478483178?tfrom=121478479995&tpos=top&ttype=coupon&talgo=undefined (http://www.ebay.com/itm/24Mhz-Dual-ch-DDS-Function-Arbitrary-Waveform-Signal-Generator-sweep-Software-/121478483178?tfrom=121478479995&tpos=top&ttype=coupon&talgo=undefined)
Bill
Here are the specs for this one:
◆Sampling rate up to 250 MSa/s.
◆Built-in arbitrary waveform with 250 MSa/s sampling rate.
◆4 downloadable 2048 dots arbitrary waveform memories
◆With 12 bit wide waveform generator, the output waveform can be more delicate with low
distortion.
◆Fully numerical control. It can display and numerical control amplitude, offset, frequency, duty
cycle of current signal output and phase difference of two channels.
◆Each function can be adjusted by host computer.
◆Preinstalled 14 common waveforms.
◆High frequency accuracy: magnitude 10－6
◆High resolution: Full range frequency resolution can be 10 mHz.
◆Both main and subsidiary wave duty cycle are adjustable separately (0.1%~99.9%）.
◆All range continuously adjustable, digital directly setting.
◆High waveform accuracy: The output waveform synthesized by function calculation is of high
accuracy and low distortion.
◆Arbitrary waveform: User can load arbitrary waveform according to the need.
◆Sweep Function ： Linear sweep and Logarithmic sweep. Starting and stop points can be set
optionally.
◆Save function: 20 sets of parameters defined by the users can be saved and loaded anytime.
◆Operation mode: Button and knob controlled with LCD1602 display, digital set directly or knob
adjusted continuously.
◆Highly reliable ： Large scale integrated circuit, Surface mounting technology, reliable and
durable.
◆Frequency measurement ： Frequency of internal / external signal can be measured through
built-in 100MHz frequency meter.
◆Follow function: Built-in parameter follow function covering frequency, amplitude, offset, duty
cycle, waveform etc. for user's convenience.
◆Trigger output function: User can choose manual trigger, external trigger or CH2 trigger to
control the main output to output waveforms of specified periodicity. This periodicity can also be defined by the user
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 25, 2015, 03:37:23 PM
While Dragon has surprised me by posting even that much, it should be clear that the circuit diagram above is _not_ complete. There is no indication of the turn count on the "primary" of the toroid. Nothing about toroid material. Nothing is indicated about the _input_ to the inverter, the inverter type (make and model), or how the input and output power measurements were done.
One of the basic requirements of the scientific reporting of "experiments" or even patent applications is that the information should enable someone "skilled in the art" to reproduce the experiment or device and (potentially, no pun intended) to get the same results as claimed. There isn't enough information in Dragon's diagram to do that.
I'd like to know the make and model of the inverter. Is it possible that the measurements are of _reactive power_ circulating in the output loop?
Worse I think, you might find the 400 amps is just the measured current circulating in a shorted few turns, and I think the primary would be the 120 volt input winding of a step down transformer, just like in the B&L setup. Anyone can do that.
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Quote from: Farmhand on April 25, 2015, 04:22:28 PM
Worse I think, you might find the 400 amps is just the measured current circulating in a shorted few turns, and I think the primary would be the 120 volt input winding of a step down transformer, just like in the B&L setup. Anyone can do that.
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Sure they can. But on 8 watts of input power?
I just looked at my MicroQEG demonstration numbers, and I was able to measure a bit over 10 amps p-p circulating in the coil with about 4-6 watts input power. Good measurements too. Some of my wireless power systems have 40-60 amps in the transmitter loop but generally need 25 watts or so on the input.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 25, 2015, 04:12:44 PM
Chet:
I have been looking at this one for a while: ($125.00)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20Mhz-Dual-ch-DDS-Function-Arbitrary-Waveform-Signal-Generator-sweep-Software-/121478479995 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/20Mhz-Dual-ch-DDS-Function-Arbitrary-Waveform-Signal-Generator-sweep-Software-/121478479995)
I might have to get the 12 Mhz one for $60.00 as money is still tight over here.
TK can check the specs and tell you if it is any good. Obviously Chinese but today, what isn't?
Bill
At those prices, if it breaks or is otherwise unsatisfactory, you can just toss it in the bin and get another one! Not even worth trying to repair it or even to send it back to the factory for service.
But they don't appear to have synch out, trigger/synch in, or a VCF in for remote frequency control by another FG.
But who needs those functions anyway. (Besides me, I mean.)
ETA: Sorry, I see from the list of specs Bill posted that some of those functions are indeed available. Doesn't seem like there are nearly enough BNC connectors for all that though.
Heck, I'd like one to experiment with myself. I wonder how it would fare in, say, an Ainslie experiment where significant current must pass _through_ the FG while it is operating...
You guys should aspire to be like Tinman and Farmhand, two gentlemen that have really come up over the years and they are great role models and they can really hold their own. Tinman can be a bit stubborn and stick to his guns sometimes. The important point is the willingness to learn and the willingness to debate. I hope that he is not offended by my comments.
I will take the liberty of quoting Farmhand from OUR:
QuoteI can show you 400 amps with only about 8 to 10 watts input. But the 400 amps isn't output is it ? If it was it would be associated with voltage and power value, the 400 amps is just a measured value in the setup. If anyone puts a couple of turns of thick wire around a toroid that has a 220 to 240 volt primary winding on it they can also see some 400 amps or so of current on the wire. It doesn't mean anything. The output power or the energy dissipated in/from the load compared to the input power is what matters. 400 amps so what ? What of it ? What was the load and what was the voltage across the load ? Not to mention those things is leading people up the path.
That's what some of you guys should have been saying yourselves today.
And I am going to be honest and state that you don't want to be like EMJunkie or AllCanadian. I am not saying that they are bad people, but they lead themselves down garden paths and/or refuse to believe in straightforward, well understood stuff. EMJunkie is all over the map and believes in whackadoo stuff. I am sure many of you have been reading his thread.
I have been harshly judged myself. So I am just giving you my opinions in a similar vein - but without the Tabasco sauce, both good and bad. I am not trying to pick fights or anything like that. I am just giving you my views.
I have a real issue with blind believers, and that is always a problematic issue on the forums. Chet falls into that category also.
Look at what Chet said:
QuoteSpeaking of Zero Milehigh.
that's about how much experience you have looking for ways to harvest energy from
the ground.
My money is on the experimenters finding something long before the fellows that don't even look.
This is just irrational blind belief. It's like saying, "We don't know if blue cheese grows in sewer culverts. So this coming weekend we are getting a group together to go and find out."
There is no "energy in the ground" and you don't have to be an Einstein to use your wits to figure that out all by yourselves. And of course we are talking about "energy in the ground" like we are talking about it here in this thread.
I am not making this posting to start a brawl. Just giving you things as I see them. It doesn't mean that there are not any more possible discoveries or innovations, it just means that you can't get energy from dirt.
MileHigh
Clarence flubbed in his discussion of microwave oven power and nobody caught it or said anything. Not to mention that he didn't give any real numbers to the best of my recollection.
He said something like he "likes 30% power, but doesn't like 100% power because things brown too quickly."
Microwave ovens are duty-cycle based devices. They are either ON or OFF. 30% power simply means that it is on and cooking 30% of the time.
When it is OFF, there is just the overhead for the electronic controller guts, the light, and the turntable motor. It might total something between 15 and 25 watts.
When it is ON, you have the overhead, plus the magnetron power.
If the microwave is rated at 700 watts power, only when the cavity has a big wet load, like a chicken, would the magnetron draw around 700 watts. If there is very little in the oven cavity, then it might only draw 300 or 400 watts. I am really not sure, these are just guidelines. The important thing is to develop the _feel_. I am basing my numbers by feeling/listening to the microwave groan ON and groan OFF while in operation with different loads in the microwave cavity.
If you are going to be a successful and time efficient free energy experimenter, then you have to develop a gut feel for power. It's a great BS detector also.
MileHigh
And I bet a lot of you that bitch and whine about me actually "secretly" want to read me, perhaps some of you are even serious and avid readers. Part of that is because a big "let's always agree with each other" club gets boring pretty damn fast.
Endless discussions of the mechanics of how to build a hypothetical Clarence setup with not a single shred of evidence that it even works first is silly, and farking boring. Not to mention I called you guys out because you were "skipping" trying to probe Clarence about how it actually works first. And some of you may have been in denial, claiming that you were having a valid productive discussion when you weren't. What's the point of talking about how to build something when you don't even know how it allegedly works. Some of you may try to claim that you were having a technical discussion with Clarence. I call bullshit, you were having nothing more than an anecdotal technical discussion with Clarence with only skimpy, vague details. Did any of you ask him where to put a pair of multimeter probes to verify "the effect." I am willing to bet you the answer is no. From multiple sources now, including me, you have been told that Clarence is not capable of having a legitimate technical discussion.
When somebody disagrees for a valid reason and starts a real debate, then it gets interesting - admit it.
Recent post from Dragon:
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2 Turns, 1/0 gauge, watt meter on the inverter. Xantrex prowatt SW 600. Lets see, aprox 1 ft of 1/0 on the torroid and 16 ft of 1/0 on the coil form making 8 turns. 400 amp reading on the 1ft 2 turn shorted, With the 8 turn connected to the secondary a 50 amp reading on the wire, 50 amps x 8 turns = 400 Amp/T
I don't understand the trivial questions.... ?
Anybody see a problem with that statement?
Oh, and he's now saying that the capacitor is 50uF not 8uF.
Yes. And you're right about not being able to do it with 8 Watts, I need more than that to get near the 100 and sumpthin amps I got with some 8 mm diameter cable. But 50 amps now that sounds more like it, not so difficult to do. I simply used a variac to run a regular 240 to 12 volt step down transformer with 2 turns of the 8 mm cable but I didn't note the current in the shorted loop in that experiment as the demo I did with some 2 mm auto wire showed the same result but with more heating and input.
I've tested the B&L setup myself with both 240 from the grid and with the step down to a low voltage setup with a grounded neutral after a isolation transformer, and both setups showed nothing not expected by conventional thinking.
As well as that neither arrangement can be used when a properly fitted RCD/GFI is in place. I tripped my inline RCD once then the second time I tripped both my inline RCD and the one on the utility meter board once as well while trying the setup, the second time the house power was interrupted and I upset everyone as they were being programmed by the TV at the time.
So for me it just reeks of stealing power by fooling meter and/or using the high amp reading on the shorted loop to bamboozle people into thinking there is free energy from the setup.
And it is illegal to bypass the RCD in Australia for good reason
Not that I would even consider bypassing the RCD on the utility meter board anyway, that would be silly.
Clarence admitted he charges his battery so it's all done and dusted as I see it. He was misleading people.
He has a good Earth ground stake array now maybe he will use it for a crystal radio or regular radio transmitter/receiver ground one day.
Imagine how hard B&L would be laughing if they knew the trouble Clarence went to on the basis of their bogus claims.
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Quote from: MileHigh on April 25, 2015, 09:46:15 PM
And I bet a lot of you that bitch and whine about me actually "secretly" want to read me, perhaps some of you are even serious and avid readers. Part of that is because a big "let's always agree with each other" club gets boring pretty damn fast.
Endless discussions of the mechanics of how to build a hypothetical Clarence setup with not a single shred of evidence that it even works first is silly, and farking boring. Not to mention I called you guys out because you were "skipping" trying to probe Clarence about how it actually works first. And some of you may have been in denial, claiming that you were having a valid productive discussion when you weren't. What's the point of talking about how to build something when you don't even know how it allegedly works. Some of you may try to claim that you were having a technical discussion with Clarence. I call bullshit, you were having nothing more than an anecdotal technical discussion with Clarence with only skimpy, vague details. Did any of you ask him where to put a pair of multimeter probes to verify "the effect." I am willing to bet you the answer is no. From multiple sources now, including me, you have been told that Clarence is not capable of having a legitimate technical discussion.
When somebody disagrees for a valid reason and starts a real debate, then it gets interesting - admit it.
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You really do sound so foolish .. what do you think gives you the right to sit in judgement on others and at the same time be so blind to your own failings ... as for ' how his device actually works' .. he did indeed explain how it actually works, just as others have ..maybe that was your 'day off' in fact the device is actually being analysed and explained in other places by people far more knowledgable than yourself, the conclusion .. that it is perfectly feasable and has been known about for a long time. It does however cover subject matter about which on your own admission you have little or no knowledge.
As for getting on Clarence's case because in your opinion he doesn't speak your technical language ... the same might apply to Tesla .. there was not the technical language in his time, no ohms law or multimeter .. and let's not leave out Tesla's other great failing, his autism. ... and of course he was a bum living on the streets, he didn't have a pot to P**ss in and he died in poverty. There have been others like Tesla a more modern equivalent Dollard, another incompetent underdog who had everything and threw it all away I suppose .. he also has spent much of his life not being able to hold a technical discussion with people on your level .. maybe .. if you spent a little more time away from your cupboard and your keyboard you might be a little more successful in keeping up .. although you have toned down your language a bit you are still bad-mouthing someone because you don't understand what they are doing .. perhaps you should sit back and reflect on the situation a little more .. you are not god's gift to humanity .. and putting yourself on a pedestal will not gain you the adoration of the people. you need to get out a bit and see what's going on. just because YOU don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.
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Quote from: skribat on April 26, 2015, 03:38:21 AM
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You really do sound so foolish .. what do you think gives you the right to sit in judgement on others and at the same time be so blind to your own failings ... as for ' how his device actually works' .. he did indeed explain how it actually works, just as others have ..maybe that was your 'day off' in fact the device is actually being analysed and explained in other places by people far more knowledgable than yourself, the conclusion .. that it is perfectly feasable and has been known about for a long time. It does however cover subject matter about which on your own admission you have little or no knowledge.
As for getting on Clarence's case because in your opinion he doesn't speak your technical language ... the same might apply to Tesla .. there was not the technical language in his time, no ohms law or multimeter .. and let's not leave out Tesla's other great failing, his autism. ... and of course he was a bum living on the streets, he didn't have a pot to P**ss in and he died in poverty. There have been others like Tesla a more modern equivalent Dollard, another incompetent underdog who had everything and threw it all away I suppose .. he also has spent much of his life not being able to hold a technical discussion with people on your level .. maybe .. if you spent a little more time away from your cupboard and your keyboard you might be a little more successful in keeping up .. although you have toned down your language a bit you are still bad-mouthing someone because you don't understand what they are doing .. perhaps you should sit back and reflect on the situation a little more .. you are not god's gift to humanity .. and putting yourself on a pedestal will not gain you the adoration of the people. you need to get out a bit and see what's going on. just because YOU don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.
Skribat:
You really can just kiss my ass with all of your attempts to impugn my character. I am not perfect but most of what you say is junk and the reason you are stating it is because you are just frustrated that I could pick apart this proposition and also question the motives of the person presenting the proposition. Most of your technical critiques about me are just gratuitous bullshit.
You are unhappy and despondent because people have a right to express their opinions? Tough luck for you and try to get rid of the huge chip on your shoulder. I am trying to do good, stop being blind to that. Sometimes being good means saying something is crap, deal with it.
If something real comes along believe me I will support it. I said to you if you believe in this proposition then explain how you think it works and even try to build it yourself. You clearly have nothing to say or do in that department.
If you want to argue the technical merits or lack of merits of a free energy proposition with me, that's fine. But I don't want to hear any more of your little-frustrated-dude attack-the-messenger comments. Talk tech, don't talk about me.
Quotethe conclusion .. that it is perfectly feasable and has been known about for a long time.
You are totally FOS in your statement above. Prove me wrong and give us credible links or apologize for being a bald-faced liar.
MileHigh
It is true that this is being investigated at a much higher level than this prestigious establishment.
It is also true that MH has Done absolutely No experiments here and has no knowledge whatsoever of what would or would not cause energy to inter from a ground array [outside of normal trickery].
perhaps this will be the example which will be "sited" in the near future ,one thing is certain
there is a TREMENDOUS amount of potential energy beneath our feet.
have Tariel . B+L, Clarence or others figured a simple method to put it to work at little or no cost ??
Who Knows ..of one thing I am certain MH
you certainly don't .
And I am also of the opinion that it would probably look ridiculous to the text book when it does happen.[or it would have happened already]
Quote from: skribat...he doesn't speak your technical language ... the same might apply to Tesla .. there was not the technical language in his time, no ohms law or multimeter .. and let's not leave out Tesla's other great failing, his autism. ... and of course he was a bum living on the streets, he didn't have a pot to P**ss in and he died in poverty.
skribat needs to work a little harder to get his facts straight.
Nikola Tesla was born on 10 July 1856 and died on 7 January 1943.
Ohm's Law:
QuoteIn the 1850s, Ohm's law was known as such and was widely considered proved, and alternatives, such as "Barlow's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlow%27s_law)", were discredited, in terms of real applications to telegraph system design, as discussed by Samuel F. B. Morse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_F._B._Morse) in 1855.[11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm%27s_law#History
Multimeters:
QuoteThe first moving-pointer current-detecting device was the galvanometer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanometer) in 1820. These were used to measure resistance and voltage by using a Wheatstone bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheatstone_bridge), and comparing the unknown quantity to a reference voltage or resistance. While useful in the lab, the devices were very slow and impractical in the field. These galvanometers were bulky and delicate. The D'Arsonval/Weston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Arsonval_galvanometer) meter movement used a fine metal spring to give proportional measurement rather than just detection, and built-in permanent field magnets made deflection independent of the orientation of the meter. Instead of balancing a bridge, values could be directly read off the instruments's scale, which made measurement quick and easy. By adding a series or shunt resistor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunt_resistor), more than one range of voltage or current could be measured with one movement.
Multimeters were invented in the early 1920s as radio receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_receiver) and other vacuum tube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_tube) electronic devices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_device) became more common. The invention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention) of the first multimeter is attributed to British Post Office engineer, Donald Macadie (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Macadie&action=edit&redlink=1), who became dissatisfied with having to carry many separate instruments required for the maintenance of the telecommunications (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunication) circuits.[1] Macadie invented an instrument which could measure amperes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amperes) (amps), volts and ohms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm), so the multifunctional meter was then named Avometer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avometer).[2] The meter comprised a moving coil meter, voltage and precision resistors, and switches and sockets to select the range.
Macadie took his idea to the Automatic Coil Winder and Electrical Equipment Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Automatic_Coil_Winder_and_Electrical_Equipment_Company&action=edit&redlink=1) (ACWEEC, founded in ~1923).[2] The first AVO was put on sale in 1923, and many of its features remained almost unaltered through to the last Model 8.
Pocket watch style meters were in widespread use in the 1920s, at much lower cost than Avometers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avometer). The metal case was normally connected to the negative connection, an arrangement that caused numerous electric shocks. The technical specifications of these devices were often crude, for example the one illustrated has a resistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistance) of just 33 ohms per volt, a non-linear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-linear) scale and no zero adjustment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimeter#History
Tesla never lived on the street and was not autistic.
QuoteStarting in 1934, the Westinghouse Electric & Manufacturing Company began paying Tesla $125 per month as well as paying his rent at the Hotel New Yorker, expenses the Company would pay for the rest of Tesla's life.
...................
On 7 January 1943, Tesla, 86, died alone in room 3327 of the New Yorker Hotel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yorker_Hotel). His body was later found by maid Alice Monaghan after she had entered Tesla's room, ignoring the "do not disturb" sign that Tesla had placed on his door two days earlier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Later_years_.281918.E2.80.931943.29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Later_years_.281918.E2.80.931943.29)
125 dollars in 1934 is the equivalent of at least ten times that in today's dollars, and that is not including the rent on the hotel room in a pretty fancy hotel.
If such easily checkable FACTS are gotten so wrong by posters here, what are we to conclude about statements that aren't easily checked? Especially when so many similar reports have turned out to be utter fabrications? I know the answer to that.... and so do you.
Chet:
QuoteIt is true that this is being investigated at a much higher level than this prestigious establishment.
Really? Please provide some credible links, because otherwise I don't believe it.
QuoteIt is also true that MH has Done absolutely No experiments here and has no knowledge whatsoever of what would or would not cause energy to inter from a ground array.
The old "no experiments" argument, huh? I guess four years of bench experiments at school and five years of design engineering are things that you have conveniently forgotten. Like TK mentioned, legitimate experiments around here are very rare.
You are the one that "has no knowledge whatsoever of what would or would not cause energy to inter from a ground array." I know that there is no logical reason to expect electrical energy "to come up from the ground."
Quoteperhaps this will be the example which will be "sited" in the near future ,one thing is certain
there is a TREMENDOUS amount of potential energy beneath our feet.
Where is that coming from? I have never heard that in my life. And I am assuming that you won't do something silly like mention geothermal energy. I think that you are just blowing smoke. There is absolutely nothing "certain" about energy beneath our feet. Please come up with some legitimate links or retract your statement. Don't link to the bloody pistol shrimp.
Quotehave Tariel . B+L, Clarence or others figured a simple method to put it to work at little or no cost ??
The answer is no. Anyone in the whole wide world is welcome to prove me wrong. This crap just insults science and common sense.
QuoteWho Knows ..of one thing I am certain MH
you certainly don't .
And I am also of the opinion that it would probably look ridiculous to the text book when it does happen
I can tell you what I am certain of. You certainly don't have common sense when you latch onto one of these stories. GDS Technologies was as fake as three-dollar bill and you latched onto that and still haven't let go.
Didn't you make reference to a Rosch buoyancy play? I supposed that you edited that out of your posting when you saw this:
QuoteRosch is a complete fake. See Overunity.DE. See Stefan's comments to Sterling.
Not to mention Wayne Travis and James Kwok.
I have said it before, how you as a fully grown man can endorse some of these things is beyond me. It's like your critical thinking skills and common sense all get thrown out the window.
Take the GDS guy with his web site, his lack of English language skills when his native language is English, his obvious total lack of technical skills, and his overall demeanor coming off as a low-life uneducated sleazy carny, his "energy from water" pitch, and you still believe him, or at least you are still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
You have real issues with respect to your extreme gullibility.
MileHigh
And Grum seems to be a really nice guy. But he is not "doing experiments about energy coming up from the ground" or however you worded that. He is just making observations that you can measure a voltage when you stick some metal rods into the ground.
Let me put it this way: Without ever having done it, and without ever having given it much thought, and without ever having seriously contemplated doing it, I would expect to measure some voltage if I stuck two similar metal rods in the ground.
MH
You have real issues calling people LIARS with out Hard evidence.
I've often told you this is quite Risky and dangerous behavior .
and you retort that saying such is a threat...??
not at all a threat ,just very risky behavior...we can't even write Bedini's name at
OUR Forum because Peter was threatened with a lawsuit because of mostly your Risky
behavior .
how many times you gonna throw those dice in somebody elses house.
where THEY have to pay for YOUR risky behavior..?
that One example should have been a big wake up call....
and similar things have happened here with other "Risky business"[lawsuits threatened]
Quote from: ramset on April 26, 2015, 12:59:44 PM
MH
You have real issues calling people LIARS with out Hard evidence.
I've often told you this is quite Risky and dangerous behavior .
and you retort that saying such is a threat...??
not at all a threat ,just very risky behavior...we can't even write Bedini's name at
OUR Forum because Peter was threatened with a lawsuit because of mostly your Risky
behavior .
how many times you gonna throw those dice in somebody elses house.
where THEY have to pay for YOUR risky behavior..?
that One example should have been a big wake up call....
and similar things have happened here with other "Risky business"[lawsuits threatened]
That's a nice diversionary tactic to avoid everything else just discussed. Google "Bedini" and look around without bias and see what you find. He just didn't like the fact that I analyzed the "10 coiler" for what it really was because perhaps he sold one or two fewer units.
Get your
common sense in order. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary
evidence. If Clarence makes extraordinary claims and offers no evidence to support those claims, then what can you conclude? If you know that there is no rational reason that his claims can possibly be true, then what can you conclude? When in one year, there is nothing then what can you conclude?
Just use your wits and put two and two together and what word nicely summarizes Clarence's pitch?
I am sure that you will find that dreaded word used elsewhere in many threads discussing many pitches so why are you focusing on me?
Work on your
common sense skills.
Diversion???
It's exactly the reason I behave myself in another mans house..
And I always treat others the way I would want to be treated.
The word LIAR has hardly ever passed betwixt my Lips...(strong medicine where I come from)
yet you keep demanding I do this ..
Call people LIARS with out hard evidence...
GDS,Solar Hydrogen Tech ...etc etc etc.
WHowever meets your fancy. ??? ?
It's not how I roll and most definitely not a diversion tactic,more a survival skill if anything.
And no that's not a threat just my experience.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 26, 2015, 12:54:59 PM
And Grum seems to be a really nice guy. But he is not "doing experiments about energy coming up from the ground" or however you worded that. He is just making observations that you can measure a voltage when you stick some metal rods into the ground.
Let me put it this way: Without ever having done it, and without ever having given it much thought, and without ever having seriously contemplated doing it, I would expect to measure some voltage if I stuck two similar metal rods in the ground.
I am not making this posting to start a brawl. Just giving you things as I see them. It doesn't mean that there are not any more possible discoveries or innovations, it just means that you can't get energy from dirt.
MileHigh
Go ahead A.King21, show your work.
You are just copy/pasting me and trying to imply that I am contradicting myself.
You need to put content and context into what you are saying. Let's hear you make an argument and and put some of your own thoughts and your own rationale into what you want to say. Let's hear you make some logical points with substance and original content.
The floor is yours.
I don't have to try.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 26, 2015, 02:01:28 PM
it just means that you can't get energy from dirt.
MileHigh
MileHigh/a.king21: If that is true about the Earth, then what do you think Nikola Tesla meant
when he said,"... the ground is "a vast reservoir of negative electricity."
Rick
That's a cop-out and a fail.
You can't compare nanowatts or picowatts to hundreds of watts. Order of magnitude rules.
I just plucked a few BroMikey quotes with highlights:
QuoteElectrons will love this system. Send a few down the hole setting up more or less a static field and as the system is called upon not only will the electrons you sent down the hole come back, but more will piggy back from these processes.
I do not know what the value is by proportion but the requirement is to send a small amount down the holes to stimulate the cultivation of electron collection.
So in BroMikey's imagination there is some kind of "happening" going on down in the ground. Electrons from above (the system) enter the ground from one pipe and pass "the happening" and as they go back up the ground return pipe the cool electrons from "the happening" join up with the returning electrons. The gathering of the tribes. That means "more current" on the way back up and that is equal to "more energy" and the free energy.
It's like a farmer's field of electrons down there to harvest from Mother Earth.
The problem is that it doesn't work like that. If one amp goes down one pipe, then one amp goes up the other pipe.
Then relative to what BroMikey is imagining, that sets off a chain of logical falsehoods that brings bring down the entire structure. Disaster!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PskoqCtRFD4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PskoqCtRFD4)
An analysis of ground currents:
https://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/SV-HTML/HTML/GroundCurrents~20020918.htm
Hartmann grid: http://erdmagnetfeld.pimath.de/global_grids.html
Quote from: a.king21 on April 27, 2015, 10:23:53 AM
Hartmann grid: http://erdmagnetfeld.pimath.de/global_grids.html (http://erdmagnetfeld.pimath.de/global_grids.html)
Another stupid thing to say, with a stupid nonsensical link.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 27, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
Another stupid thing to say, with a stupid nonsensical link.
Let me put it this way: Without ever having done it, and without ever having given it much thought, and without ever having seriously contemplated doing it, I would
expect to measure some voltage if I stuck two similar metal rods in the ground.
I am not making this posting to start a brawl. Just giving you things as I see them. It doesn't mean that there are not any more possible discoveries or innovations, it just means that you can't get energy from dirt.
MileHigh
Okay, so you are saying that you don't have enough brains to make a distinction between sensing voltage with a one-megaohm input voltmeter from a feeble source with a 250K ohm output impedance and sensing voltage from a source that can supply 100 watts.
I found an excellent link for a SWER system test done by am amateur experimenter.
This is a decent experiment with real numbers and sets a good example.
http://www.aprs.org/aprs-swer-test.html (http://www.aprs.org/aprs-swer-test.html)
Test Setup: We found a rural road, stuck a broom handle out the window and let a 3200 foot roll of #20 wire fly from a small 6" spool. We cut a normal 8' copper clad steel ground rod into three pieces and drove them into the ground about 4 feet apart. That was one end. (not shown).
Then at the other end (the hiking end) we used four very small 2 foot rods 3/16ths inch) spaced about 3 feet apart that you can see in the image to the right. The path length was about .45 mile or 2500 feet between ground rods (though I had 3200 feet of wire but just ran out of straight road). The wire resistance was about 35 Ohms. To simplify the test so that we did not have to be at both ends at once, we simply grounded the distant end of the wire to the original 3 copper-clad rods, and did both the source and load at the same end shown here (with son AJ, WA4APR holding wire).
Using only 214 VDC input (conveniently from the Prius),we got a 100W light to normal brilliance (measured 115 volts across it) meaning there was 100 volts loss in the ground loop system. This implied a 100 Ohm loop system (32 ohms was in my wire). So we achieved about 65 Ohms ground system with my little rods. Doubling the depth of the rods or the number of rods would halve the resistance.
Performance of 4 rods yielded 114 volts to bulb
Performance of 3 rods dropped voltage to 108
Performance of 2 rods dropped voltage to 82
Performance of 1 rod dropped voltage to 47.
The 100 Watt bulb of course is very non-linear, so I will have to bench test it to find out what the currents were drawing at the other 3 test points. But because of the spacing of the rods being farther than the depth of the rods, the resistance should have been relatively independent yielding a linear response to the number of rods.
GROUND RODS: Since conventional SWER Power systems deliver hundreds of Kw using grounds as simple as 30 foot single rods or more as needed. A 10 ohm ground resistance is ideal in moist soil as shown to the right. Halving the depth of a rod increases the resistance by probably a factor of 2.5. Doubling the number of rods reduces the resistance by a factor of 2 as long as they are as far apart as deep. Our small system goal is about 50-100 Ohms so we can go with a single 8 foot rod or two 4 foot rods, or four 2 foot rods. I prefer the shorter rods because they are easy to remove.
I'd say our test soil is "farming, loamy and clay" and so a 3 meter rod (10 feet) would give us about 33 ohms. But we used only four 2 foot rods, (equivalent to about a single 5 foot rod maybe and so we got double this or about 66 ohms over the 2000 feet of earth which seems consistent with the table..
Conclusion: This test was entirely satisfactory. Especially since in practice, we will not use the Prius battery, but will use a 150 watt 115 VAC inverter from the vehicle 12v system so that we have complete isolation of the SWER loop from the vehicle. We will use 2 caps and 2 diodes to double that to 330 VDC which will further reduce the loss in the loop resistance. In any case, we will have more than enough power to power a 50 Watt station on the mountain top.
See the APRS-SWER web page.
SWER systems can be done just as safely as other power distribution systems if done correctly. They can also be done dangerously by those not fully understanding the principles involved. Do not try this at home!
Bob, WB4APR
Hark yonder...
More on resistance...
You guys are just going to L O V E this one because it's from 1901. So it has street cred.
http://earlyradiohistory.us/1901fa21.htm
Earth-currents or Leakages.
When a linear conductor dips at each end into the earth, and voltage is impressed upon it by any means, the resulting return current would probably flow through the earth in a straight line between these two points if the conductibility of the earth were perfect; but as the earth, per se, is a very poor conductor (and probably is so only because it is moist), lines of current-flow spread out symmetrically in a way that recalls the figure of a magnetic field. These diffused currents are evident at great distances, and can be easily traced by means of exploring earth-plates or rods. The primary current is best produced by alternating currents of such a frequency as to excite a distinct musical note in a telephone, and if these currents rise and fall periodically and automatically, they produce an unmistakable wail, which, if made and broken by a Morse key into short and long periods, can be made to represent the dots and dashes of the Morse alphabet. The secondary circuit, which contains the receiving telephone, is completed in the case of an earth area by driving two rods into the ground, and in the case of water by dipping plates therein, 5 to 10 yards apart.
It is therefore necessary to be able to distinguish these earth-currents from those due to induction, as they are apt to give false effects, and to lead to erroneous conclusions. This is easily done, if the instrument be sensitive enough, by making the primary current continuous when the earth-current also becomes continuous, whereas the induction currents will be momentary, and will only be observed at the beginning and end of the primary or inducing current.
Look! The attached images from 1901 show you how the current actually flows in the ground!
Moisture and salt content....
Milehigh: we could do with your electrical knowledge input here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGIJSWirhPw
Looks to me like Tesla showed/used the
single wire Earth return in the patent below but he doesn't lay claim to the idea so it seems the principal has been around for a very long time. Pre Tesla.
Tesla Patent.
http://www.google.com/patents/US593138
Others have implemented it in modern times, we use it in Australia and it is not as safe as they make out. A SWER line was responsible for a very bad bush fire that killed a 173 people and destroyed many properties.
It happens when the HV line comes down but does not actually trip the breakers and such, this leads to the line starting a fire through a resistance.
If the line comes down on trees the resistance can be too high to trip the breakers or whatever and the tree can catch fire due to the current through it.
QuoteThe Royal Commission concluded that five of the major fires that it investigated were started
by powerlines
2
. In its July 2010 Final Report, the Royal Commission concluded that
3
:
The SWER and 22kV distribution networks constitute a high risk for bushfire ignition,
along with other risks posed by the ageing of parts of the networks and the particular
limitations of SWER lines.
The Royal Commission made 67 recommendations, of which eight (Recommendations 27 –
34) relate to reducing the likelihood of powerlines starting catastrophic bushfires. These
recommendations have been accepted by the Victorian Government.
Powerline bushfire report.
http://www.esv.vic.gov.au/Portals/0/About%20ESV/Files/RoyalCommission/PBST%20final%20report%20.pdf
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Lightning strikes to trees can leave behind trees that are half dead and half alive, like one side of the tree will die but one side can live, such a tree would be great for starting a fire, maybe even a dead or a live tree can do it. I see no real world tests on this.
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SWER lines can also produce potentials along the current path of up to 40 volts per meter or so at the ground surface, and I read a article that warns of possible dangers to livestock. If a human walked in bare feet on the wet ground in the line of the flow of current and took a long step the person might be able to feel the up to 40 volts 50 Hz AC first hand.Livestock have a longer gait than a human can be over 1 meter.
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I think the words should be that
"It can be safe", but there is 170 odd Australians that also say
it can also be very deadly and destructive.
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Farmhand:
That is a very unfortunate story. Note that regular power lines could also short with trees and cause fires.
The real issue is that it was a design and/or implementation or verification or maintenance failure and a person or persons could be legally liable and subject to criminal prosecution. Somebody signed off on a drawing and then it was implemented in the field. Presumably this was a civil or electrical engineer. They also had to visit the site and approve the construction and sign off on that also. Then there is a maintenance log book somewhere.
I am just making assumptions and I am not going to look up the story. But people were the true source of the problem.
MileHigh
Pop quiz no Googling: If there is a break in a long distance transmission line, how do you find it?
Quote from: MileHigh on April 27, 2015, 10:23:31 PM
Pop quiz no Googling: If there is a break in a long distance transmission line, how do you find it?
By the fire? (Follow the smoke)
Just kidding.
By "you" I assume you mean the power company right?
If the line has not shorted out and blown something on either end of the circuit, I assume they could test the resistance of the two parts and with some math, determine how far down the line the break is. (Total guess here) They already know the wire diameter and ohms/foot.
Bill
Bzzzzzt!
Quote from: MileHigh on April 27, 2015, 10:40:46 PM
Bzzzzzt!
Can I phone a friend? (At least you know I did not Google it)
Bill
You can only dream that if you had Manuela on your side...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmsyEMFYsus
Quote from: MileHigh on April 27, 2015, 10:51:02 PM
You can only dream that if you had Manuela on your side...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmsyEMFYsus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmsyEMFYsus)
Wow! She has great legs. Is that my consolation prize?
Bill
Check out the subliminal messages in this video!
(Damn that iPhone 6 has a good camera!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtNguqonFWk
Quote from: MileHigh on April 27, 2015, 10:20:19 PM
Farmhand:
That is a very unfortunate story. Note that regular power lines could also short with trees and cause fires.
The real issue is that it was a design and/or implementation or verification or maintenance failure and a person or persons could be legally liable and subject to criminal prosecution. Somebody signed off on a drawing and then it was implemented in the field. Presumably this was a civil or electrical engineer. They also had to visit the site and approve the construction and sign off on that also. Then there is a maintenance log book somewhere.
I am just making assumptions and I am not going to look up the story. But people were the true source of the problem.
MileHigh
Yes of course the same or similar thing can happen with regular transmission line, but just like I said about the SWER line the regular power line can also be "safe" just as safe as a SWER line.
I did say it can be safe, a rifle can be safe as well, it is as for most things inanimate, dependent on the design and operation/maintenance.
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It went to a Royal Commission and the claimants won against the power company along with the other entities the power company was partnered with, a huge monetary payout was made.
But money doesn't bring back the dead. For them it is over.
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Safe.....
Where I live there is this thing ON TOP of the ground with 2 to 60 Ton things on wheels
flying past at speeds that would tare little Johny into pieces if he wasn;t careful
on his way to school...or crossing it.
crossing the road is VERY dangerous probably an infinite order of magnitude more so than an SWER system in most countries.
as a matter of fact The Dangerous list is a very long list ,with the common screwdriver at the very top according to OSHA.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 27, 2015, 10:23:31 PM
Pop quiz no Googling: If there is a break in a long distance transmission line, how do you find it?
Dear MileHigh.
Johnny Cash had the answer !! ;) Walk the Line.
I spent nearly 2 decades with the supply industry. Commissioning and Maintenance dep't. I was lucky to have been with one of only two Boards that operated an interconnected ring HV distribution system. Actually a stroke of genius, because you only needed a few different gauges of over head line compared to radial systems where line tapering had to be employed !!
Our system was so sensitive it could detect and clear faults associated with trees touching the OH lines ( Sensitive Earth Fault ). It also had the capability of differentiating between an In Zone fault and Out of Zone fault.
When I left the industry some 24 years ago they were just implementing the use of Vacuum circuit breakers which required zero maintenance over the earlier Oil circuit breakers. These VCB's were employed on sub circuits making large outages a thing of the past.
Now a break in an underground cable is a far different story !! ;)
Cheers Grum.
Grum:
If we could only all walk the line.
I wasn't aware of the sensitive systems that can detect small line incidents like you mentioned. Out here in the colonies we have transmission lines spanning such vast distances that they would only find your bones after 50 years if you got lost in the bush and were following the line to get back to civilization. Your whole country is like a cross-town drive to us. :D
So, you get the nasty buzzing sound also with Manuela nowhere to be found.
But I will leave a clue: "Tesla Impulse Technology."
MileHigh
Remember EF?
QuoteThe way I see it, the earth return is adding energy to the load. It's coiled around the #4 AWG to modulate and attract energy from the ground.
At the most this coiled earth return could be thought of as a current transformer but it would be wrong in this device because its working with a different form of current called the B-EMF. The B-EMF current behaves not at all like the current we know.
Think Elvis.
MH
EXACTLY
See these days you would never be able to bring a such a wonderful product like that to market...
safety this and safety that.. heck most of the products I grew up
with would be out lawed today...[I even think their trying to outlaw Bazooka Bubble gum...
SOooo
did you field test it yet ?
does it come with a remote control [I'll press the button for yah... ;D...]
incase your Chicken..
I triple Dog dare yah
You are making me think of a story, perhaps it was an urban legend. Chicken torture machines in arcades. The chicken comes out and dances for you. Ether the chicken is on a hot plate or perhaps the chicken is being given mild electrical shocks.
Are we all just dancing chickens on the hot plate of life?
Speaking of chickens, let's go raid the other chicken coop.
Quote Level:
QuoteI connected a 100 Watt light bulb between the secondary loop wire, which is connected directly to the inverter hot wire, and the inverter neutral. The inverter output power went up from 20 Watts to about 117 Watts. I could not measure or see any difference at all whether I had the earth ground wire connected or not. It seems to do absolutely nothing, which when wired in the way it is shown in the patent doc it is not really surprising that it has no effect.
So when everything was connected exactly as Barbosa and Leal showed as one possible configuration in their patent diagram, it just doesn't seem to do anything out of the ordinary.
Some of you may remember I had a debate with Scorch where I told him that his Quanta Magnetics pulse motor would do nothing special.
Quote Scorch:
QuoteBUT I did set the G3 aside in favor of the much more impressive effect that he demonstrated in "G1 load test #2" video. In which G1 system was demonstrated as being 'self looped' to power an LED from the BEMF PLUS system voltage was RISING from 13vdc to 13.1, 13.2...
This was a VERY impressive demonstration and I bought a G1 SPECIFICALLY to REPLICATE that effect...
Only to discover MUCH later the lithium battery pack he mentioned in the video (and he said would be replaced with another capacitor) was NOT merely wired in parallel with the capacitor power supply. It was set up to operate as a portable regulated power supply.
Which of course, in itself is quite capable of causing system voltage to rise and it does appear that not only did I spend a lot of money to replicate an effect that was false and misleading; this endeavor has wasted ALL of our time and placed me in a VERY difficult position after I have already defended Mike on the OU forum and all those people there as well.
See: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
And as soon as I discovered this fact (hidden regulated power supply) I realized that my trust in this company had been totally betrayed and broken.
And when I started asking the hard questions about these things; he decided to become 'offended' and is now concealing the video evidence from our view...
Then I subsequently discovered that an Itallian has had similar experiences with not being able to replicate the effect in the video and who also received negative responses in Mike's email and who also produced his own G1 video-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmzVd4d130c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmzVd4d130c)
And now here you are talking about similar experiences at which point we now have three witnesses and I do wonder how many more are there?
Don't hate me for saying this (except for Cangas Khan): Don't count your chickens before they are hatched, and be suspicious about BroMikey's tales of electron spawning grounds in the ground.
I'm gettin' bugged driving up and down this same old strip
I gotta finda new place where the kids are hip
My buddies and me are getting real well known
Yeah, the bad guys know us and they leave us alone
Think about it...
"I Get a Ground" by the Teslas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0Czej-Uik (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0Czej-Uik)
When I was a young fella about 18 we used to ride our dirt bikes along the rail line north to get to our dirt bike riding bush area about 5 k's on the line way faster than the 80 Klm's an hour the old diesel trains could do out of town. I had a YZ 465 81 model the rail gauge was/is only 3.5 foot. Biggest danger was the side winds pushing us towards one rail. It was good fun to catch up to passenger trains on the way home we would wait for them to pass then catch up to them and leave the line then pass the train on the service road and return to the track and speed away from the train, that way it made for some excitement for the people on the train. Plus we also got the red lights if we just sat behind the train, we could follow close behind and the cars would wait for us as well at the boom gates, even the police were powerless to do anything if the were there and seen us. The police even got dirt bikes to try to stop us but they got all four stroke TT600's and TT350's they have no chance of doing what a proper two stroke scrambler can do. Hilarious. They came to ruin our days but they just made them better and more exciting. hehehe
I then went on to spend my entire working life at the railways workshops. Never got injured so everything we did was safe. Safe enough in the right hands. All my injuries come from car accidents when I'm a passenger or parked. Hit by drunks and useless drivers, geeks.
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P.S. The rail line in Rockhampton my home town runs right through the middle of the street, always has, they even rebuilt/restored the old steam train, it just did an Anzac troop train re-enactment from way out west through rocky then south with the Steam Engine Old Betty and period carriages.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=picture+of+dennison+street+rail+line&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4SFAVZ_3JsOhmQWEq4HoCA&ved=0CB0QsAQ&biw=1440&bih=763
New Train driving up the street. Depending on the track conditions the Electric Tilt trains can do over 200 klm's per hour.
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Farmhand:
Cool story, just about the time when Mad Max was all the rage also.
Now to get more serious, about a page back I linked to and copied that report about the guy that did the single-wire-ground-return system and the grounding rod testing.
This guy:
QuotePerformance of 4 rods yielded 114 volts to bulb
Performance of 3 rods dropped voltage to 108
Performance of 2 rods dropped voltage to 82
Performance of 1 rod dropped voltage to 47.
I want to highlight a very important point about that story. The guy generated some good data, some real data. He gave you a full description of what he did, annotated it with pictures, etc.
Almost everything that has been presented here in terms of experimental data during Clarence's four month residency, and since he has moved over to EF, pales by comparison. Why can't Clarence generate any decent data?
And the back-story is all about the specifics of the individual components, and you know that drives me crazy. Let me cite one example. I am not an expert in transformers and ferrite cores when it comes to the nitty-gritty details about the choices for components. However, I think I can state this with a fair amount of confidence. All of the exotic ferrite core formulations are for performance at high and very high frequency (think switching power supplies). For 60 Hz operation, you have basic laminated iron cores to prevent eddy currents, or you have some kind of non-conductive ferrite core compound to prevent eddy currents. That's it. I may not be perfect in my assumptions but I think I am on the right track. Just use an ordinary core for 60 Hz operation. That would be the same damn core for 50 Hz operation. Between BroMiley and others you probably wrote a small-sized book on the size and selection of the core material for the infamous captor. It's all bullshit.
Almost no discussions at all about how the captor itself may or may not work, and what it actually does. Almost no discussions at all about how to do experimental tests and measurements on the captor itself, to figure out what makes it tick. Just a ton of silly discussion on how to build the captor, and mass confusion about how to wire the captor when all that you need are four dots to solve that mystery.
Clarence should take inspiration and try to emulate the SWER testing guy. Almost all of you should. You guys are supposed to be talking about building and testing an allegedly over unity machine with the emphasis on the testing.
MileHigh
So that's the prelude posting out of the way.
What should Clarence do? If we were in the driver's seat and we were in project management, what should we have him do?
For me the answer is very obvious. He is in North America, he has 120 VAC mains. All that he needs to do is connect one 100-watt incandescent light bulb to the output and run a one-month test. I have already mentioned this before. He can record basic data while he runs the test. His experience and skill level is low, so just have him record some simple stuff. The battery voltage, the AC voltage across the light bulb, the date and time, etc. Take pictures of the setup, and the setup in operation. Take pictures of the grounding rod array.
Make it very clear to Clarence that he has to emulate the SWER testing guy and present clear, credible, and legitimate data. None of his bullshit rambling paragraphs where you have to piece together three disparate sentences and try to figure out what he is saying. He has to make definitive clear statements and present coherent data in tabular form, and so on and so on. One of his sentences when he was pressed for answers was just ridiculous. It went something like, "I DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO bla bla ba." None of that crap.
So, we all figure that Clarence is not in it for the money. He is ostensibly an "honourable claimant." Then let him make a claim.
If he can't do something simple like a 100-watt light bulb test, and he is not in it for the money, then what are we supposed to conclude?
Quote from: ramset on April 28, 2015, 02:30:00 PM
MH
EXACTLY
See these days you would never be able to bring a such a wonderful product like that to market...
safety this and safety that.. heck most of the products I grew up
with would be out lawed today...[I even think their trying to outlaw Bazooka Bubble gum...
SOooo
did you field test it yet ?
does it come with a remote control [I'll press the button for yah... ;D ...]
incase your Chicken..
I triple Dog dare yah
Ha ha...good one Chet. If I were drinking something while reading this...it would have been all over my keyboard.
I'll bet MH laughed a bit as well.
Bill
Quote from: MileHigh on April 28, 2015, 09:50:33 PM
What should Clarence do? If we were in the driver's seat and we were in project management, what should we have him do?
For me the answer is very obvious. He is in North America, he has 120 VAC mains. All that he needs to do is connect one 100-watt incandescent light bulb to the output and run a one-month test. I have already mentioned this before. He can record basic data while he runs the test. His experience and skill level is low, so just have him record some simple stuff. The battery voltage, the AC voltage across the light bulb, the date and time, etc. Take pictures of the setup, and the setup in operation. Take pictures of the grounding rod array.
MH:
He can't do that. His battery will not even last more than a few days, much less a month. You can't expect an O.U. device to run for a month without having to recharge the batteries....right?
Oh wait....
Bill
@MH: I think your switch is in backwards. Hint: When switch is ON, bulb should be LIT.
Try plugging the cord into one of the outlets, maybe it'll work right then.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 28, 2015, 10:46:35 PM
@MH: I think your switch is in backwards. Hint: When switch is ON, bulb should be LIT.
Try plugging the cord into one of the outlets, maybe it'll work right then.
You know that has been done already!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz-Lupbn7mc
The way I see it there are very few people actually believing Clarence and those that are are the same old crew who are of no consequence anyway because of them showing "blind faith" in just about everything. Could it be that Bro Mikey is a fictitious character created to yell down the Skeptics ?
Seems pointless to argue across forums with them, I think anyone that matters already has the required information to make their own decisions.
The movement towards outing the false claims began way before you came along MileHigh. Those with some real word experience have made a big difference to this area of the "free energy" scene.
I've been questioning most things for a few years now. And I'm just one.
There is no OU but there is ways to harness free energy with paid for equipment. It is that simple. Where it gets complicated is showing people that claim free energy that they don't have any when they don't.
When I ran all my personal experiments investigating different things I was most concerned about just finding the truth for myself. I am confident that almost all the free energy and OU claims are bogus, from Tariel to B&L all BS, Lasersabre has no OU nor did Dr Stiffler or Bob Boyce ect. ect.
All BS. Someone prove me wrong.
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I've read that Scientists believe that even time began in the Big Bang, what BS that is. Considering that Energy cannot be created or destroyed, then the big bang can only have been the beginning of another cycle of the Universe. Time existed before that as well as all that went BANG.
It is so because nothing cannot go BANG.
Pure Logic.
Some apparently esteemed Scientists get so far back in the history of the Universe they come to the big bang then say all was created then we'll start there, completely bogus. So for me that is also delusion. And it is worse because it stifles thought from a position of authority..
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Very wise words about this B&L variant Farmhand. Honestly, I am less "championing" than hoping for seeing the process go forward: Propose -> demo -> test -> analyze data -> conclude -> move on. It's because it's more "local."
But the process seems to have more or less stopped dead in it's tracks. That always seems to happen. It's the old project left in limbo syndrome. Also, often replicators that get bad data will not say anything instead of sharing it.
There is still a chance that some people will go forward and produce data, including Clarence. Then you just have to get through analyze and conclude to make it to the finish line.
But when people start asking if they can use ignition coils or use rods with dissimilar metals, that's a sign that things are falling off the rails.
The worst-case scenario is the one we all know. "It didn't work because you didn't build it right."
Hi all,
my conclusion after 15years of research on the topic of free energy is that if there is indeed a kind of quick and simple way of harnessing this ''RADIANT'' energy the powers that be will sure do all in their power to keep it from us ! For the moment I am accumulating info for my parts to build an electric fat-bike that runs on compressed air, in short using compressed air as storage and generating the right amount of electric power to run a 3-5kw hub motor ! Charging won't be a big problem as every gas-station here has FREE compressed air ! ;D
So this brings me back to my old conclusion that is a simple one that can be achieved true off the shelve parts ! Below you can find a link to this idea, I would appreciate your thoughts on my (old) idea of how to get ''FREE'' energy ! ;)
http://www.view-tronics.com/mymindtwist/freeenergy/plan.html (http://www.view-tronics.com/mymindtwist/freeenergy/plan.html)
PS. If this aluminum battery really get's available it will really change a lot if it won't be shelved like the Tochiba battery years ago !?
https://youtu.be/db_yNYEcKjo
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/7708/toshiba-announces-super-charge-battery/
Just so there is no doubt about the Elvis-quackery-magnetic-belt joke, this is the real quackery:
"The way I see it, the earth return is adding energy to the load. It's coiled around the #4 AWG to modulate and attract energy from the ground."
Quark! Quark!
Farmhand:
I totally agree with your post, especially about the big bang being cyclical. Time has no beginning nor end. Planets may come and go, same with stars...but...time always was and always will be.
Your take on the big bang answers the question I always had when I first read of it long ago. That question is: If this small, dense mass exploded...where did that mass come from? Did it just spontaneously appear from nowhere? Not likely. It was always there and probably was the result of the universe collapsing in upon itself....AGAIN.
Well posted Sir.
Bill
what happened with tread ,why stop from 30.4
"If this small, dense mass exploded...where did that mass come from? "
Exactly! We have to ask ourselves how is mass formed. Waveforms? Thermal? From what Ive read nothing moves at "Absolute" zero. That leads me to speculate the coldness of empty space coalesced and contracted to a point of intense density and exploded. Its warmer inside snow than outside so cold can make heat. That interior temperature may have led to the formation of hydrogen causing an explosion. Like dropping a match into liquid hydrogen but on a much grander scale. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction! :o
Quote from: turbogt16v on May 04, 2015, 05:32:22 AM
what happened with tread ,why stop from 30.4
Clarence is not providing any data. There are several people on the EF thread that have openly expressed their disappointment with this situation. They also mentioned the issue of the work and expense required to replicate without any hard data as proof that it actually works. Therefore Clarence has pretty much withdrawn from that thread. He lost is 'glamour boy' reputation. People have pretty much run out of ideas. Plus the fact that the whole slef-looping thing is a dead and disproven concept.
It's possible that this whole thing was launched because Clarence saw it working with a fresh battery and then simply got carnied away and he started telling big fish stories.
Perhaps something to hope for and get some talk started about this !? ;)
R-Walker Free Energy Self-sustaining Electric Motor Bike from Mexico
https://youtu.be/z_dxUgOTVOs (https://youtu.be/z_dxUgOTVOs)
Quote from: tesletic on May 12, 2015, 02:43:00 PM
Perhaps something to hope for and get some talk started about this !? ;)
R-Walker Free Energy Self-sustaining Electric Motor Bike from Mexico
https://youtu.be/z_dxUgOTVOs (https://youtu.be/z_dxUgOTVOs)
It is not self-sustaining and there is a topic where this is being discussed.
I believe the problem was due to being lost in translation, which often occurs. It still appears to be pretty efficient, which is a good thing
by itself.
Bill
Topic here: http://overunity.com/15764/r-walker-selfsustaining-free-energy-bike-from-mexico/#.VVKokJOm2FM (http://overunity.com/15764/r-walker-selfsustaining-free-energy-bike-from-mexico/#.VVKokJOm2FM)
After 5 months running time off of the same battery? So, when does it become not self sustaining?
Quote from: NickZ on May 12, 2015, 10:05:56 PM
After 5 months running time off of the same battery? So, when does it become not self sustaining?
I have 5 years running off the same battery in my car. That does not mean O.U. Read the other topic and you will see that there are some translation problems with the news reports. A lot of conflicting info has been flying about. They talk about how fast they can recharge the batteries, which you would not need to do if self-sustaining.
Check it out as more info becomes available. Oh, it also has solar cells.
Bill
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K5kEuo6d50
"Notice that the students said they have gone five months without discharging the battery."
The rest is speculation. As that also means, that they ran it for that long without ever having to do any additional charging.
Time will tell.
But, why do we need to assume something doesn't work as shown, until it's proven that it does?
Can't we just take it with a grain of sand until proven one way or the other?
You ever wonder how long it will take before even Tesla car/house batteries are a thing of the past? And, no batteries needed, becoming the thing of the present.
Quote from: NickZ on May 13, 2015, 01:18:13 AM
"Notice that the students said they have gone five months without discharging the battery."
The rest is speculation. As that also means, that they ran it for that long without ever having to do any additional charging.
Time will tell.
But, why do we need to assume something doesn't work as shown, until it's proven that it does.
Can't we just take it with a grain of sand until proven one way or the other?
It's all speculation as the translations are totally butchered. Why do they need a spark ignition? Do other electric bikes have that? They also said they went 60kph but, with those small wheels, others translated that as having gone 60 km. (distance, not speed)
I am assuming nothing other than it is not self-sustaining which is obvious, unless, you think my car battery being 5 years old is self sustaining like I said. They do not explain the solar cells either. Read the various translations and you will see some conflicting data which is understandable. I am not saying they are lying or it is a scam, I am just saying it is not what is being reported.
We can't assume it works as shown as it is not really demonstrated, but explained using translations for English and therefore we really do not know what they are meaning.
Bill
Thank you all for the replies, highly appreciated ;)
I will stick to my old idea using compressed air that seems to be for the moment realistic and as you can see in the link already proven to work although not by not using electricity but powering it directly witch is OK but then you have to buy their motor and it is not a bicycle !
http://media.drive.com.au/cars/car-news/motorbike-that-runs-on-air-2797531.html (http://media.drive.com.au/cars/car-news/motorbike-that-runs-on-air-2797531.html)
I would like to use AIR as temporarily storage capacity for electric energy as there is an enormous amount of energy available for example going downhill and mostly lost ! Yes I know regenerative braking but it is only a small amount that go's back because batteries are to slow unless they will release this new aluminum batteries !
In terms of my bike project will try to use a small combination of lithium batteries & capacitors (boostcap) & a small compressed air motor-generator that provided more then 1KW electric power on demand in real time using previous mentioned setup that will only be used as buffer to run a 5KW HUB motor ! Hoping to have some budget for this by selling my Jeep ;D as it is here just standing most of the time ! These days a carbon FAT-BIKE are not that cheap even getting the frame from China!
Anyway will be posting my findings here that's for sure. carpediem :)
https://twitter.com/thevoice4you_
Quote from: tesletic on May 13, 2015, 04:22:13 AM
Thank you all for the replies, highly appreciated ;)
I will stick to my old idea using compressed air that seems to be for the moment realistic and as you can see in the link already proven to work although not by not using electricity but powering it directly witch is OK but then you have to buy their motor and it is not a bicycle !
http://media.drive.com.au/cars/car-news/motorbike-that-runs-on-air-2797531.html (http://media.drive.com.au/cars/car-news/motorbike-that-runs-on-air-2797531.html)
I would like to use AIR as temporarily storage capacity for electric energy as there is an enormous amount of energy available for example going downhill and mostly lost ! Yes I know regenerative braking but it is only a small amount that go's back because batteries are to slow unless they will release this new aluminum batteries !
In terms of my bike project will try to use a small combination of lithium batteries & capacitors (boostcap) & a small compressed air motor-generator that provided more then 1KW electric power on demand in real time using previous mentioned setup that will only be used as buffer to run a 5KW HUB motor ! Hoping to have some budget for this by selling my Jeep ;D as it is here just standing most of the time ! These days a carbon FAT-BIKE are not that cheap even getting the frame from China!
Anyway will be posting my findings here that's for sure. carpediem :)
https://twitter.com/thevoice4you_
One way of using air is by providing a weather forecast that allows the bike to charge air when air temperature
is in the cold part of the day then recharge the battery when air temperature is high the difference in
temperature translates to a difference in pressure. This method was in use in mining air powered trains
during late 1800's
..S..MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on May 13, 2015, 12:27:12 PM
One way of using air is by providing a weather forecast that allows the bike to charge air when air temperature
is in the cold part of the day then recharge the battery when air temperature is high the difference in
temperature translates to a difference in pressure. This method was in use in mining air powered trains
during late 1800's
..S..MarkSCoffman
Good idea. Also maybe a small compressor (like he said) on board running off of solar when parked to top off the tanks with a pressure on/off switch. I would not mind if my air tanks were slowly filling all day while I was at work, and it costs me nothing. Cloudy days...plug it in or walk I suppose. India has had air powered cars for sometime now I believe. I remember reading about them a few years back.
Bill
New Video of Captor of eletrons ground by Barbosa and Leal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkuL1V1Fe9k
Someone get a working replication? share schematics ?
I was reading a lot of pages in this blog and I don't see it clear
Hello, please forgive my poor English, my native language is Spanish, I have closely followed this thread, and I read very interesting things here.
However, I notice that some people look even more hopeful that Clarence them solve the problem, and my opinion is that what we must do is to replicate the experiment of Mr. Clarence, all data is here, then you repeat the experiment if you have doubts.
thanks
bump
Hello, I'm trying to replicate the Barbosa Leal (energy from the ground) circuit, but I've a problem. When I try to switch on the load connected to the output of the circuit, the automatic protection circuit from home switches off like when you do a short-circuit.
What can be causing this?
Here there is the schematic I'm using
@Magnethos, use ground rods or another earth not the main supply earth as will always trip as if a fault ( earth leakage).
Regards
Keith
@captainkt
I'll use the water pipe as the earth's ground. Thank you for the answer.
Just one more question.
How I know that the water pipe is a good ground? I mean, if there is some measurement or technique to determine that the pipe is a good or bad ground.
Its the surface area that's all ! Water spreads out but I don't see much power here on the proposed system also the energy will not be predictable it will have lows and highs ect .... The earths electric field is just over 7hz but that's not including interstellar radiation soaking into the earth at 8000hz and than charged alpha particles coming up from the earth core but you need a lot of fine coil to catch them. My suggestion is a negatively charged coil to catch everything ! About 1 kwh per square meter... Also remember a solar panel only converts 19% so a negative coil is best ...
ATOM1
I've tried again replacing the power grid ground with the water pipe. The water pipe ground is ok because I've tested it with the multimeter. The problem is that I've still the same problem as before: the breaker trips when I try to switch on the load in the output.
When the circuit is on, no problem. When I connect a load and I try to switch it on, then I get the problem.
What can be causing that problem?
YEP IT IS EASY BUT YOU TAKE YOUR OWN RISK IF YOU DIE TOMORROW FROM ELECTROCUTION DO NOT COME TO ME OK..YOU GET A 100WATT 240 V QAURTZ HALLOGEN LAMP. YOU CONNECT IT NORMALY ,THEN YOU GET THE AC CURRENT CONSUMED BY THIS LAMP.
THEN YOU TAKE THE LIVE WIRE CONNECT IT IN SERIES WITH THE LAMP TO YOUR GROUND NOT THE TAP PLUMBING GROUND BUT YOUR ROD IN THE GROUND EARTH.. THE LAMP SHOULD LITE UP JUST THE SAME INTENSITY AS WHEN YOU CONNECTED WITH THE SYSTEM NEUTRAL CHECK THE CURRENT DRAW IT SHOULD BE THE SAME..IF NOT YOUR EARTH IS KAKA..
Dear friends,
Someone could help me?...I would be very grateful if someone arrange the construction manual of Barbosa and Leal device.I don't have any idea how to make the toroid.
Quote from: NickZ on May 13, 2015, 01:18:13 AM
"Notice that the students said they have gone five months without discharging the battery."
The rest is speculation. As that also means, that they ran it for that long without ever having to do any additional charging.
Time will tell.
But, why do we need to assume something doesn't work as shown, until it's proven that it does?
Can't we just take it with a grain of sand until proven one way or the other?
You ever wonder how long it will take before even Tesla car/house batteries are a thing of the past? And, no batteries needed, becoming the thing of the present.
It's all in the choice of words used and maybe the translation. They say it hasn't been discharged in 5 months. They say nothing about charging, but it has solar panels on it and if it does regenerative charging or some kind of KERS = Kinetic Energy Recovery System, then all they would need to do is carry the tiny bike up the hills and roll down them using the over 2000 RPM generated at the wheel while rolling down the hill to recharge the battery. I think they would definitely carry it up the steep hills because I don't think it could carry even a child up a steep hill.
Considering that a pushbike with a motor would be more useful, no need to stop and carry those.
They don't mean no recharging at all they just mean the battery hasn't become fully discharged and they have not applied an external charger. They certainly did not say they they didn't carry the bike uphills or only travel one way in a two trip where one way is mostly down and the other way is mostly up.
Basically if it was true they would be rich by now. And they do not verify their claims. They just claim. No evidence. No full explanation, just enough to get the attention of the hopeful.
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HI MADAMA. PLEASE TELL ME FIRST WHAT COUNTRY YOU WANT THIS PROJECT DONE. THE BEST DEAL IS A WOOD GASIFICATION. IT CONSIST OF WOOD BEING BURNT IN AN AIRTIGHT THICK METAL CONTAINER..THEN THE FILTERED FUMES IS INJECTED INTO THE PETROL ELECTRIC POWER GENERATOR..IF THE PEOPLE THERE ARE GOOD WELDER EG AFRICANS ARE THE BEST WELDERS..THEN IT COULD BE EASILY ASSEMBLED THERE .. OF COURSE YOU NEED A CONSTANT SOURCE OF WOOD. THIS IS GOOD, CREATE EMPLOYMENT..ALSO BY PRODUCT IS POTASH FERTILIZER.. AT THE SAME TIME IF YOU CAN ORGANISED A METHANE BIO GAS FROM ANIMAL WASTE AND HUMAN WASTE PLUS MULCH UP BIOMASS YOU ARE LAUGHING 24 HOURS OF ELECTRICITY..BYPRODUCT OF BIO GAS IS BEST FERTILIZER..THE WHOLE DEAL CAN BE PURCHASE FAIRLY CHEAP FROM CHINA ALIBABA.COM..MY SUGGESTIONS IS DO NOT GET ONE SYSTEM GET 3 SO IF ONE BREAKS DOWN OR BEING MAINTAIN YOU STILL CAN GENERATE ELECTRICITY..PEACE LOVE AND MORE PEACE.
THEN YOU SHOULD GO SOLAR..ALL THAT IS DISCUSS HERE WILL HAPPEN BUT HAS NOT HAPPEN YET.. THAT IS FREE ENERGY AS WE SHOULD KNOW IT..THE BEST BET FROM HERE IS EARTH CAPTOR FROM ENERGETIC FORUM..BARBOSA AND NEAL DEVICE REPLICATED BY
CLARENCE POST329.. AS CLARENCE SAID ONE NEED A SUPER DOOPLE GROUND CONNECTION AND AS ADVISED BY CLARENCE IS TO GET A MAGNETO-FIELD OF YOUR AREA OF OPERATION OR LEY LINES OR EARTH CURRENT. THE BASIS OF THIS DEVICE IS TO PUMP EXTRA ELECTRON FROM THE GROUND BECAUSE THE EARTH IS A SUPER MASSIVE CAPACITOR.. THE BEST WAY TO FIND OUT IF YOUR AREA IS SUIT IF IF IT RECEIVE A LOT OF LIGHTENING STRIKES THROUGH OUT THE YEAR.. GOOD LUCK BUT PLEASE REPLICATE IT EXACTLY AS CLARENCE..
Hi all this might be the real deal ! 8)
https://youtu.be/mB1Wtve7aug
Quote from: tesletic on July 27, 2015, 03:58:50 PM
Hi all this might be the real deal ! 8)
https://youtu.be/mB1Wtve7aug (https://youtu.be/mB1Wtve7aug)
Hah, you're funny. THE BATTERIES ARE NEVER DISCONNECTED. So we have Yet Another "Looping" Free Energy Device that won't work unless it has two big BATTERIES connected to it! And as usual the claimant Marc Belanger is making all kinds of false claims in the video. In a seven minute video taken with a cellphone.
Sit back, Marc, and let's see if the thing is still running after 24 hours. It won't be, the batteries will be flat and it won't continue to run.
The guy is another blowhard "Saviour of Mankind" with his "PELEX" device that he won't be releasing to the public. How nice of him to worry about the billion people his device would put out of work. Of course he's not worried at all about the thousands of innocent children who starve to death or die from dysentery EVERY DAY because they can't get access to clean water or good food. People like this make me sick.
Thanks for calling me funny ! At least this leaves me some tolerance ! LOL Anyway only saw the video quick but whatever people say I am going to give it a try ! meaning his first video as they say you never know ! LOL ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 27, 2015, 06:14:19 PM
Hah, you're funny. THE BATTERIES ARE NEVER DISCONNECTED. So we have Yet Another "Looping" Free Energy Device that won't work unless it has two big BATTERIES connected to it! And as usual the claimant Marc Belanger is making all kinds of false claims in the video. In a seven minute video taken with a cellphone.
Sit back, Marc, and let's see if the thing is still running after 24 hours. It won't be, the batteries will be flat and it won't continue to run.
The guy is another blowhard "Saviour of Mankind" with his "PELEX" device that he won't be releasing to the public. How nice of him to worry about the billion people his device would put out of work. Of course he's not worried at all about the thousands of innocent children who starve to death or die from dysentery EVERY DAY because they can't get access to clean water or good food. People like this make me sick.
TK:
You should know by now that all free energy devices require batteries, many of them require multiple, very large batteries. Oh, and you also need a bunch of clip leads scattered about in an unorganized manner. This appears to help the output.
Bill
@Pirate88197. It is also worth remembering that when experimenting batteries act as a good buffer against miss matched frequencies, voltages and currents. Also preventing back feeds in the circuit.
Regards
Keith
Quote from: madama on July 10, 2015, 01:50:23 PM
guys, did anyone succeed in replicating this?
if yest , i would need their help in my project feel free to contact me thru pm or here
Hello, guys and madama. I have replicated this device
without a ground connection.
Please, see this passage of mr. Patrick J. Kelly.
(picture)
Barbosa (Leal) in his patent reports the following:
(picture)
My understanding of the "Anti-Lenz effect" you can read and see here.
http://wyst.at.ua/forum/3-35-1
If you have an interest, I can translate into English and comment on this chart.
My e-mail: graviton_kiev@meta.ua
Best regards.
Hi, "madama".
I ve got an e-mail from "p.. j..".
I understand You wrote it?
Everyone knows the "official version" that explains the working principle of the transformer with ferromagnetic core which is made of the transformer-steel or ferrite.
Here is shown a schematically drawn transformer on Fig.1, which has a primary winding and a secondary winding located opposite each other.
At the primary winding is an alternate voltage U1 and we have got (an alternate) current I1 in the primary winding.
And where is the current, there is always a magnetic field.
Magnetic flux Ф1, created by primary winding, is pulsing in ferromagnetic core and somehow affects the electrons of the secondary winding. It provides EMF U2 at the secondary winding.
We suggest that EMF U2 occurs because the magnetic field lines (of the flux Ф1) cross the secondary winding turns and free electrons in the latter are accumulating on the one terminal of the secondary winding (according to the regulations of the hand of Homo Sapiens) and it creates a potential difference EMF.
But it is a fallacy (misbelief).
In fact the magnetic flux Ф1 is almost fully concentrated in the body core.
And this is enough for us to ask the following question.
How free electrons of secondary winding "know" that flux Ф1 is changing inside the core,
because electrons (of secondary winding) are outside the core, and all the magnetic field lines are concentrated in the core?
Theory is explaining to us: when the load is connected to secondary winding , the picture is changing somewhat and already looks like this (Fig.2)
Magnetomotive force of the secondary winding is acting against to the magnetomotive force of the primary winding
according to the "Lenz Law" (Newton's third Law in electrodynamics).
In secondary winding occurs an alternate current I2, that is creating a secondary flux Ф2 which acts against Ф1.
This flux Ф2 is undesirable for us and we have to compensaste it.
During my researches I've found the following regularities:
1) around the magnetic core (having alternated magnetic flux) exists a kind of a potential field that acts outside the core on free electrons of the environment (windings);
(partially this my hypothesis is confirmed by Aharonov-Bohm experiments).
2) Fluxes from "partnered winding" in certain conditions are not deducted but repel each other.
(I accept your donations for my researches :) )
Aharonov-Bohm effect is a phenomenon in which an electrically charged particle is affected by an unknown field, despite being confined to a region in which the magnetic field B is zero.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aharonov%E2%80%93Bohm_effect
You can see in Fig.3 the consequence of Aharonov-Bohm effect in a transformer core.
This phenomenon outside the transformer core is a fully "mirror-analog" of Hans Christian Ørsted's experiment – Fig.4.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted
Now we can redraw the Barbosa-Leal device as an auto-transformer and to have the following circuit – Fig.5.
Here the loop is actig opposite to the inductor and both are forming together an asymmetric "partnerred coils".
To understand how this "magic-loop" creates "Anti-Lenz effect", I offer to redraw the "BarboGen" ones more time with no shorted loop - Fig.6.
As you can see into the core, there are two fluxes Ф1 and Ф2 directed toward each other.
Flux Ф1 is equal to Ф1 = u*I1*400 (turns)*S/L
Flux Ф2 is equal to Ф2 = u*I1*1 (turn)*S/L
where u - magnetic permeability;
S - core section (cm2);
L- the length of the magnetic circuit.
Let's do a short-circuit the loop to set its current equal to 100A.
In this case, in the core are formed three fluxes.
In accordance to Lenz's law the fluxes Ф3 and Ф2 acts against the each other but also the "magic" flux Ф3 is consistent with the flux Ф1 and besides Ф3>>Ф2.
It is ALL secret of Barbosa.
We cheated Lenz's Law. without a ground connection.
I have cheated third Newton's Law in 2011 :)
Quote from: Yuri_L on August 01, 2015, 04:30:15 AM
Let's do a short-circuit the loop to set its current equal to 100A.
In this case, in the core is formed three fluxes.
In accordance to Lenz's law the fluxes Ф3 and Ф2 acts against the each other but also flux Ф3 is consistent with the flux Ф1 and besides Ф3>>Ф2.
It is ALL.
We cheated Lenz's Law.
hi Yuri,
I like your strong theory.Now if only you can show us your working model in youtube which tallies with your theory it would be nice.
Good Luck. .. ... .. . ..
You can see a working example (8kWatt) of my partner (let see and hear the sound of the transformer after 9 min 15 sec).
No-loaded transformer works very loud, but under load - its suond is wery low. This is the main work feature properly designed such an overunity transformer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRZBO-LILlA
I ve already patented in Ukraine the principle of Lenz-law compensation and will continue to publish the appropriate PCT application.
Best regards.
Quote from: Yuri_L on August 01, 2015, 04:30:15 AM
Let's do a short-circuit the loop to set its current equal to 100A.
In this case, in the core are formed three fluxes.
In accordance to Lenz's law the fluxes Ф3 and Ф2 acts against the each other but also the "magic" flux Ф3 is consistent with the flux Ф1 and besides Ф3>>Ф2.
It is ALL secret of Barbosa.
We cheated Lenz's Law. without a ground connection.
I have cheated third Newton's Law in 2011 :)
Hi Yuri. Can you explain why you think there is a new third 'magic' flux, and why you think this will
be an advantage? I don't follow your explanation. Where would we connect the load in your diagram?
All the best...
Hello Yuri,
I replicated the device like shown in your diagram:
http://wyst.at.ua/_fr/0/0232461.jpg (http://wyst.at.ua/_fr/0/0232461.jpg)
with one exception: the primary has no tapping , so the lamp is allways connected parallel to the primary.
The trafo with lamp connected consumes about 90 real Watts, the Lamp consumes 75 Watts itself.
The trafo alone also 15 real watts power factor allways 1.
It does not matter which wire of the primary is connected to the thick wire, the values are allways the same.
Please help.
Quote from: TheCell on August 01, 2015, 02:03:55 PM
The trafo alone also 15 real watts power factor allways 1.
Hi,
I faced with a similar situation at the beginning of my research.
I have some question to You.
1) How much consumes trafo without the shorted loop?
2) What is the current value in idling mode of trafo (without the shorted loop)?
3) What is the power factor in idling mode of trafo (without the shorted loop)?
4) What is the value of the core area (in cm
2)?
5) What is the current value in the shorted loop ?
6) How many turns are in pimary coil?
7) Where is placed the shorted loop on the core?
All these factors are essential.
At first You should get a "roaring" transformer without a load (but with a shorted loop).
Best regards.
Hi Yuri. Can you please indicate where are you connecting your load for you last diagram?
I have tried this configuration and it draws about 20W in to the primary winding to
get about 75A on the single turn secondary. Where are you connecting the load
in your configuration? From the hot phase ('+') to the neutral? I am using a 600VA
power transformer toroid.
All the best...
Quote from: Void on August 02, 2015, 01:18:11 AM
From the hot phase ('+') to the neutral?
Yes.
But You shuld answer all above my questions too.
From 600Watt's trafo You can get 1.2 kWatt active pover.
At first You should get a "roaring" transformer without a load (but with a shorted loop).
Please The Cell
I have problems opening the file DSC00304.zip
Thank you ;D
Leo48
Quote from: leo48 on August 02, 2015, 05:10:06 AM
I have problems opening the file DSC00304.zip
I had the same problem.
Quote from: Void on August 01, 2015, 11:22:26 AM
Can you explain why you think there is a third flux.
Where would we connect the load in your diagram?
I do not know what to answer.
I am sure that each coil creates its own flux
under certain conditions (according to my researches).
The flow direction (in the core) from each coil can set developer of the OU device.
The output power can get with a separate coil.
Quote from: Yuri_L on August 02, 2015, 12:27:19 AM
Hi,
I faced with a similar situation at the beginning of my research.
I have some question to You.
1) How much consumes trafo without the shorted loop?
->1.09 Watts / 1.37 VA with 232Volts primary
2) What is the current value in idling mode of trafo (without the shorted loop)?
-> I= 'VA' / Volts = 0.0059 A
3) What is the power factor in idling mode of trafo (without the shorted loop)?
-> cosPhi = 1.09 Watts/ 1.37 VA = 0,79 (bad core material ?!)
4) What is the value of the core area (in cm2)?
-> 3,2cm * 3,4cm = 10,88 cm^2
5) What is the current value in the shorted loop ?
-> clamp meter mot available , but I ordered one today
6) How many turns are in pimary coil?
-> 2199/6 = 232 / 0,633 -> 2199 prim wind.
7) Where is placed the shorted loop on the core?
-> see DSC00304_orig.JPG
All these factors are essential.
At first You should get a "roaring" transformer without a load (but with a shorted loop).
Best regards.
My pics:
http://overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/584/ (http://overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/584/)
http://overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/585/ (http://overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/585/)
http://overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/586/ (http://overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/586/)
http://overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/587/ (http://overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/587/)
The trafo can be disassembled and rewound, but the trafo steel is pretty bad .
CosPhi should be closed to zero ?!
My trafo is'nt roaring yet. (Secondary not thick enough, I think)
Thanks Yuri for analyzing my setup.
Quote from: TheCell on August 02, 2015, 01:56:48 PM
The trafo can be disassembled and rewound, but the trafo steel is pretty bad .
CosPhi should be closed to zero ?!
Dear TheCell
There is below the picture of my first OU-trafo that I was tested a month ago.
As You can see it is almost as in yours case (maximum power) BUT
You need to reduce turn number of the inductor.
Now I am doing experiments with a bigger OU-trafo on the base a welding device.
I'm shure it is most suitable for our purposes. There are two separate sections.
Please send me e-mail.
Best regards, Yuri
hy Yuri what s the special ou can get I have try for months winding and rewind nanocristal amourfus core Hitachi ,with good driver all frequency , not really lot ou coming were is the cat ?
Quote from: hvgo31 on August 03, 2015, 09:09:41 AM
hy Yuri what s the special ou can get I have try for months winding and rewind nanocristal amourfus core Hitachi ,with good driver all frequency , not really lot ou coming were is the cat ?
Sorry, I could not catch Your writting (maybe it is Toki Pona) :).
Please write English, German, Spainish, Polish, Russian, Ukrainian.
I do not work with nanocristal amourfus core.
It is very expensive in Ukraine and there is no sense to use them at a frequency of 50-60 Hz (this is my point of view)
Quote from: Yuri_L on August 03, 2015, 08:01:53 AM
Dear TheCell
There is below the picture of my first OU-trafo that I was tested a month ago.
As You can see it is almost as in yours case (maximum power) BUT
You need to reduce turn number of the inductor.....
Hi Yuri_L,
Do you mean placing a shorted loop like the red line I have drawed in the picture of your trafo? If not, please indicate the orientation of the shorted loop placement. Thnx!
Not quite as you have shown but as on the picture below...
is the cable loop just like a battery cable and what size thanks
@Yuri_L :
I received the clamp meter yesterday.
In the shorted loop I have measured 125A.
<You need to reduce turn number of the inductor...>
For what purpose ? The core will go into saturation.
Quote from: TheCell on August 05, 2015, 03:03:32 PM
I received the clamp meter yesterday.
In the shorted loop I have measured 125A.
<You need to reduce turn number of the inductor...>
You need to reduce turn number of the inductor to get the idle current 250mA
I hope you know how to reduce the saturation of the core :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrxwgaPMXwI
Not sure if this one has gone by.
Quote from: totoalas on August 05, 2015, 01:35:53 PM
is the cable loop just like a battery cable and what size thanks
Size is defined by the temperature that should be not more than 40-50
oC
Quote from: Yuri_L on August 06, 2015, 10:41:45 PM
Size is defined by the temperature that should be not more than 40-50oC
Thanks YUri for the info
Can a toroid be used also .... If I use a welding machine( what size for a 2 or 3 KW output ) for the set up Can I use the air conditioner as a load ..... Im thinking to use the toroid for small heating load such as flat iron and rice cooker
lots of possibilities.... ;)
Another question on the loop connection is it connected in the beginning 1/4 or 1/2 of the coil turns ???
And coil loop size more than double the primary coil to compensate for the temperature ????
thanks
Hi Yuri,
Frankly,your video did not assure me.
Meaning, I do not see why lamps where not lighted up to full brightness from common 220 net...
However, I prefer not to spill the water with a child.
I have 200W industrial winding thoroid transformer. Hope it is designed properly regarding primary turn number. Without flux phi2 get 75A in the shorted loop, primary power 22W.
Feels like phi2 does the trick.
Estimated primary turn number is 700.
Please suggest what should be turn number for the counter winded portion of primary.
Is it 1:400 as in your case?
What is the purpose of the shorted loop connection to primary? It will affect fluxes anyway.
Regards,
Valdis
Hi all, here sure is a video that will help us understanding more what '' Tesla's ELECTRICITY '' it is REALLY about ! and yes I know yet another claim about OU but personally I think this is for REAL and it is a quantum leap forward for this board! ;)
Tesla's Secret finally understood (Gerard Morin) https://youtu.be/YZ7I9XgaW3A (https://youtu.be/YZ7I9XgaW3A)
hell yuri and thank y for all your strugle with getting free energy.
I m havig 3 questions for y
1. the looop shortcircuit the secondary and makes secondary witout any current in it so the second flux dissaperas.
2. Here do you get the 3 rd flux because even the loop drives any current in it-even i showed to y it does not- it would have the same direction of the flux like the secondary
3. Where should phi 3 get so much values?
Thank you
Quote from: Yuri_L on August 01, 2015, 03:58:53 AM
To understand how this "magic-loop" creates "Anti-Lenz effect", I offer to redraw the "BarboGen" ones more time with no shorted loop - Fig.6.
As you can see into the core, there are two fluxes Ф1 and Ф2 directed toward each other.
Flux Ф1 is equal to Ф1 = u*I1*400 (turns)*S/L
Flux Ф2 is equal to Ф2 = u*I1*1 (turn)*S/L
where u - magnetic permeability;
S - core section (cm2);
L- the length of the magnetic circuit.
Helo Yuri-L and all !
I have read your intelligent design , an idea : to get approval of patent offices is not difficult , but there are two more important things here is your design work and not its COP how much ?
Hello somebody knows if we can used standard transformer for the conversion? and finally something about Mr Yuri? Thanks.
Hello @ ALL,
My latest at Energetic Forum, HA! HA!
Clarence:
In the realm of circuits an alleged over unity systems, measurements are king. No measurements and you have nothing. But whenever anybody asks you to make measurements you just scowl and then run away.
So, there is no "HA! HA!"
MileHigh
Quote
Quote from: MileHigh on October 31, 2015, 01:01:33 PM
Clarence:
In the realm of circuits an alleged over unity systems, measurements are king. No measurements and you have nothing. But whenever anybody asks you to make measurements you just scowl and then run away.
So, there is no "HA! HA!"
MileHigh
Yall are STILL dwadling along with NO results!!! SO here's another HA! HA! for you!!!!!
Quote from: Clarence on October 31, 2015, 01:58:09 PM
Yall are STILL dwadling along with NO results!!! SO here's another HA! HA! for you!!!!!
I am not dwadling about anything at all. You are just being infantile, trying to pretend that I have to build something. The fact is that I don't have to build something.
You are being non responsive about your lack of measurements when measurements are king and mean everything. No measurements and you've got nothing.
Quote from: MileHigh on October 31, 2015, 02:46:23 PM
I am not dwadling about anything at all. You are just being infantile, trying to pretend that I have to build something. The fact is that I don't have to build something.
You are being non responsive about your lack of measurements when measurements are king and mean everything. No measurements and you've got nothing.
HA! HA! AGAIN ! SLAP a meter on that one!
measure-ments are NOT king-ONLY RESULTS! HA! HA!
Quote from: Clarence on October 31, 2015, 03:11:13 PM
HA! HA! AGAIN ! SLAP a meter on that one!
measure-ments are NOT king-ONLY RESULTS! HA! HA!
That's just more meaningless talk. "ONLY RESULTS" indeed. "RESULTS"
ARE measurements.
You simply cannot hide away from the fact that you have no measurements, therefore you have no results.
You have a device that has a power loop. Look at the attached diagram and see all the points where you can make
measurements of the power flow in order to back up your claims.
Don t waste your time . This schema is not a ou device. It does nothing. Let concentrate and search for anything else . Don t bother clearance at all. He has ou he s happy but not with this stuff he showed to us. And we are not happy :)
Quote from: Magnethos on July 02, 2015, 12:51:10 PM
Hello, I'm trying to replicate the Barbosa Leal (energy from the ground) circuit, but I've a problem. When I try to switch on the load connected to the output of the circuit, the automatic protection circuit from home switches off like when you do a short-circuit.
What can be causing this?
Here there is the schematic I'm using
Probably can be the residual current switch , when it perceives the leakage current it disarms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWzZqw8eLDU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWzZqw8eLDU)
Yuri_L vid
Thanks for posting Yuri Likhovid video Stefan..
He is from Ukraine .... Here is some translation.... of Yuri post ...
"According to the "Law of Lenz" (Newton's third law in electrodynamics) Magnetomotive force acting against the secondary winding magnetomotive force of the primary winding.
If the secondary winding of the transformer no load, all consistent picture. This magnetic flux F is fully concentrated in the body core.
And while we enough to understand the following paradox (we will not bother where the "Bloch wall").
How free electrons secondary winding "know" that changes within the core flux F, because electrons (secondary winding) are outside the core, and all the magnetic field lines are concentrated within the core?"
Here is the link to Yuri Likhovid (Юрий Лиховид) post No. 108 on
http://wyst.at.ua/forum/3-34-8 (http://wyst.at.ua/forum/3-34-8)
here is the explanation by Yuri...post No.
http://wyst.at.ua/forum/3-35-1 (http://wyst.at.ua/forum/3-35-1)
Yiri diagrams..and Clarence diagram from energetic forum.. btw he has a good device !!! and he is happy to share it here,
however he was attacked by a mad dog..here !! too bad !!
below..
Acca..[/font]
HOW TO DESTROY MEMBERS WHO LACK CERTAIN UNDERSTANDING IN ELECTRONICS.
Here is the post by Mile High to of a Clarence device based on Barbosa /Leal device, as he (Mile High) is "an expert" in power systems and therefore the Barbosa power device is fake !!
Looks like we have another "So-Called Quack Buster MD Stephen Barrett" (See link below)
You have to question his motives here ?? Who is he working for !! on Overunity dot com ??
User2718218 (https://www.youtube.com/user/User2718218) 4 months ago
Djarno, I am MileHigh on overunity.com. I started reading the thread on ou.com in April when Clarence was promoting his system. I made a few posts that were strongly worded condemning this project and Clarence's involvement in this project because the whole thing is fake, it's not real. B&L are just two criminal con artists that made a fake free energy system so that they could get investment money and also sell non-working demo systems to gullible people that don't understand electricity. Clarence also has very poor knowledge about electricity. Bro Mikey also has very poor knowledge about electricity. I am sorry, but I have to tell you the truth. This whole thing is a silly game and some people have psychological problems. It could be possible that seeing you do all of this useless work and wasting your money 'excites' Clarence. I don't have the real explanation, I am not a psychologist. However, I used to be an electrical engineer and I know what I am talking about. This system is nonsense and impossible to work. It's just a fantasy. I made some strongly worded postings on the thread on ou.com and when Clarence read them he got very frustrated that someone was challenging him and he "ran away" from ou.com and continued on the Energetic Forum. I am very technical and in the thread on ou.com I give an honest and blunt technical analysis of Clarence's system including analyzing his schematics and marking them up and reposting them with annotations showing where the problems are. Here is the link showing where I stated to post on the thread: http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/1230/#.Vb6Bn_kZa-Y I would strongly advise you to read the thread with special attention to what I say. I talk tough because I do not like seeing people being taken advantage of by other people. Please don't waste any more of your money on copper rods and if you don't need the inverter and can return it and get your money back that would be the smart thing to do. - MileHigh
[/font] He has YouTube channel account that hides his Mile High Identity, the channel is sanitized with no comments and all links removed and NO IDENTITY of "him" as Mile high.. not EVEN A VIDEO ??
It's just an abstract number User2718218 (https://www.youtube.com/user/User2718218) on his YT channel...
His mission is to attack people who get too close to free energy !! He is the ENEMY.. to Free Energy..
Mile High is lying as he had NO posts on this thread at all, prior to making this post....and craps here with his hatred of the two men who he knows nothing about!!
Here is his JUSTIFICATION for killing this debate ?? : after reading this ask your self if he is NUTS ??
As posted by Mile High Reply #1296 on: April 08, 2015, 02:11:05 PM
"Here are some issues for you to consider: Some people have a real problem with the free exchange of ideas. They say, "Oh! Somebody that disagrees with me is spamming or trolling!" Or they say, "Oh! Somebody that says something I disagree with is spamming or trolling!" Or they say, "Oh! Discouragement is not nice and should not be allowed!" Or, "Oh! I am annoyed by people that disagree with me or people that say things that I don't like and those people should go away!"
There has been no spamming or trolling taking place recently in this thread. Anyone that makes that claim is lying. You do not have the right to redefine words for your own convenience in order to falsely make an argument or falsely impugn others.
Do you want to live your life in a straigh-jacket and self-imposed censorship where people can only say things that you want them to say and you only hear things that you want to hear? They tried that in many countries and where they are successful those countries are among the worst places on Earth to live.
What happens when you become the person that is saying the "wrong things?" What then? Look at history and learn the lessons it is supposed to teach you. Turn off the self-brainwashing and learn to truly think freely."
« Reply #1348 on: April 08, 2015, 11:25:41 PM »
"I will speak when I want. Nor did I "pee in his punch bowl" which is just more straw man stuff from you. I suppose the "big insult" is that I stated that Clarence doesn't understand electronics. That is what I see, it's a fact based on evidence. Do you get that? It's true. I am just doing a service for those that may not realize this. "
MileHigh"
Here a member posts his statement about : "Milehigh: You come into this thread dismissing it . Yet you admit you haven't read it all. That's just damned disrespectful and dishonest."
And what does Mile High say !!
" I read the last four full pages worth of this discussion so I got the "flavour" of the discussion. I may be hedging my bets, but still: What's truly disrespectful and dishonest in this thread is the people with no credibility making false claims. Especially if they expect people to invest time and money in a project that won't work."
It's obvious, he is THE ENEMY !! to free energy..
Here is Mile High self misguided justification for what he does to others.. HE IS NOT NORMAL ..
"The only solution is to just let people say what they want to say. Stop being a bouncer. There is a difference between straight no-nonsense comments about some implausible electronics fantasy and outright mean-spirited trolling. Myself and others have made our comments for the benefit of all reading. Some might not like reading the comments, tough luck for them." ...
THESE ARE YOUR WORDS ... Mile High .....
"In reading the last few pages of this thread (I don't really follow this thread) I can see that Clarence and Enjoykin are engaging in fantasy talk. Very similar to Tito. It's just silly and assuming that they are both grown men, you wonder why they do it.
I have found over the years there are some common traits that you see when this happens. The fantasy talkers usually are not able to describe circuits with proper commonly known and understood technical concepts. I realize that for one at least English is not his first language. Even with that factored in, you can still see the "baby talk" when they talk about electronics. Hence, my assumption is that both of them are just bluffing with respect to their alleged electronics knowledge and the claims that this thing allegedly works. The other trait is the silly game of hints and teases and excuses for not showing any real data and the idea that you have to build it yourself to "prove it for yourself." It's the usual nonsense talk that we have all seen hundreds of times before.
So, don't hold your breath expecting someone to show anything special with Clarence's box, no matter how many earth grounds he drills. It's all some kind of strange theater of the absurd. If you want to be a bit tougher you can argue that both of them are getting some kind of mental masturbation with this. How they get satisfaction from doing a charade like this is beyond me."
http://www.health-report.co.uk/quackbuster_barrett_busted.htm (http://www.health-report.co.uk/quackbuster_barrett_busted.htm)
Looks the "so called expert" is just suffering some head injury ( some people have psychological problems ) as he has had NO basis to post crushing destruction...
maybe he enjoys being a sociopath.. he should have limited posting as it is obvious that he has destroyed this thread for all members..
Acca..
I have pretty much satisfied myself that Mile High has erroneous technical ideas about how electronics work.
(that is that earth currents and utility ground currents are made up of fungible (interchangeable) units called
electrons. Electrons do not loose energy but change in quantity as a vector quantity.) So some external
signal modulation is going to be required to understand just where the electron drive comes from be it natural
or manmade and some drive will almost certainly be natural. But just as certainly the majority is probably
manmade. Ground resistance will almost certainly converts major power into a major low-voltage electron
current flow but that low level flow though that can be regauged stepped up by a power transformer.
I have no intention of accepting *anything* technical that user Mile High says in the future. If
he want to act as guard dog for this thread, so be it.
I can understand why Clarence does not want to show data, because modulation on the signal could
be used to show that the majority of signal is manmade and a natural sequence of conclusions can
be drawn from there. For example the utility signal is probably modulated by the same synchronous
signal that utilities know as their average demand curve.
The problem is that without data it is impossible to easily show that the device works as magnetic amplifier
regulator and it is impossible to show that the ground array is a acting as a complex array or even an
amplifying device. So there are some technical interesting features to be understood even if the device itself
primarily picks up manmade power signals. So, I do not rate Clarence as a true friend of a technician or a friend
of technical learning *which is what this web site is supposed to be about*,even though I do rate Mile High an
enemy of it.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Poor All/Acca:
I have to assume that you are very upset and frustrated because I asked you repeatedly to explain your aquarium videos. I urged you to rethink what you were saying and do some basic research that a student in high school could do. Not to mention the fact that you now have a magic Internet box on your desk and the pursuit of knowledge and enlightenment is easier than it has even been before in the history of Man.
You couldn't explain your aquarium videos, the only thing you could do was drone on about a "magnetic vortex."
So I clearly and unambiguously explained you aquarium videos with diagrams and it turns out the explanation goes back to the simple fundamental concepts behind electricity and magnetism, and a kid in grade eight could understand my explanations with a bit of supplementary background research - at their fingertips.
After my explanation you had nothing to say, and you still have nothing to say. The only thing that you could do was repost the same incorrect stuff again.
So you must be in a tizzy. Your posted your nonsensical "explanations" for your aquarium videos many times and finally someone with basic common sense corrected you. It must make you frustrated. Your attempts to demonize me say everything about you.
Djarno tried to replicate Clarence's stuff and failed. He blew his inverter at least twice and returned it under warranty. Perhaps he blew it a third time and they refused him. He is GONE, he never reported anything positive. If you think I have regrets or am ashamed for advising him to stop doing this dangerous nonsensical experiment you are wrong.
Recently BroMikey posted that Clarence has to
recharge his battery between "sessions."
QuoteBut in the beginning you are correct, use 60 rods was the instruction
and the output was enough to power many things. If you look back in
the record you will see that the refrigerator ran for about 5 hours at
times and the battery would begin to discharge some. He would stop
the system and charge it so he didn't destroy the battery and repeat
the process over and over again getting excellent runtime powering
devices all day. No grid power, only a battery and sinewave inverter
as the source and I am sure you knew that.
This whole thing is "Solar Roadways" on steroids. They talk about "where you are on the geomagnetic map" as if it really means something but they never actually state what that "something" is. The whole thing is a farce and you will never see B&L or Clarence or anybody at all show a working system. You will never see Clarence show any measurements or do anything related to measurements. So I have no problem advising people to not dig up their backyards and invest a lot of money in grounding rods and inverters and other equipment. That makes me the good guy and you the bad guy for trying to portray the good guy as the bad guy. Suck on that.
Mscoffman:
It's not me that has "erroneous technical ideas about how electronics work." You are trying to argue that the vast majority of members of this forum as well as all of Science and Engineering "got it wrong." Why are you pinning this label on me?
You are the one that is out in left field and many times I have responded to your postings and you had nothing to say for a followup. You are the one where nearly everything you post is either pie-in-the-sky or sounds technical but has one or more fatal flaws.
MileHigh
I am mad with anger at MileHigh that he destroyed "CLARENCE" a 77 year old farmer, and my choice to build that device..
As he decided for me what I should DO !! HE IS NOT MY DADDY !! HE IS A FLIPPIN NUT !!
Acca...
After a post like that I don't think there is any doubt about who the nutter is. I have made countless postings to educate people around here. Instead of Djarno repeatedly blowing out his inverter one can imagine he could have made a different sort of mistake and electrocuted himself instead. Thank God that didn't happen. Stating that the B&L stuff is wrong and offering an alternative opinion makes me a good guy. Stating a different opinion before you dig up your backyard and work like an ox and spend thousands of dollars on folly makes me a good guy. Why don't you ask Clarence to try to make proper measurements just like many others on both forums try to do all the time? He can start by asking for help from his peers. Now you need to take a chill pill Acca.
Does anybody know if these guys have done anything recently? I am using a similar technique with a current sensor. However I am not 100% sure how they are using there's so I can only speculate that my technique is similar.
- Core
"Personalities of great men are free from ordinary weaknesses"
It's EZ to get pissed on these forums. Spend more time building and experimenting and you will soon see that you simply have no time to post here on a daily basis. Not posting here on a daily basis is a good thing and rather therapeutic. Don't worry, nobody will get a working device anytime soon as all these ideas are re-hashes of failed devices. So, your not missing anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVohGWhMWs
AM ON YOUR SIDE MICROMLOW.. I AM PROUD OF YOU MICROMLOW
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK AND A PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR TO YOU AND
YOUR FAMILY..
*** I am Mad at Mile High and so others are also !! READ below...
Acca...
Al/Acca:
Go throw some plates against the wall if you need to get out your frustrations.
If you were a real man you would admit that all of your aquarium videos are wrong and that you understand
my explanation and that it makes perfect sense.
And if you can't do that, where does it leave you? What are you made of? What do you have to say for yourself?
Time to give it a rest. Time to grow and learn as a person. Time to understand what is going on in your aquarium
clips - it has been fully explained to you with text and diagrams. What more do you want?
You are the one that is the bad guy at this point - you are the troll - grow up and be a man.
The Clarence stuff is nonsense. Do you have an account at EF? Go to his thread and post asking him for
his test data supporting his claim, I dare you.
MileHigh
P.S.: Watch the freedom of speech clip and let it sink in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVohGWhMWs
Quote from: Acca on December 26, 2015, 08:19:29 AM
User2718218 (https://www.youtube.com/user/User2718218) 4 months ago
Djarno, I am MileHigh on overunity.com.
and later
.
.
He has YouTube channel account that hides his Mile High Identity,
.
.
Acca..
What an amazing find by you Acca, to tie these two IDs together. Who would've guessed ?
Congratulations, Bravo, Well done.
I kind of have to agree with you Acca that MH is a bit of a loose canon.
When trying to
hide your identity, according to the CIA/Cabal/NSA/PTB handbook,
the last thing you should ever do is say "
I am ..........." and refer to another identity.
It is a basic rookie mistake and has been noticed by the "folks" up on the fourteenth floor.
They will not let it happen again.
Oh, and BTW "Acca", James Lindgaard (aka Hoppfield) might want to contact you soon to turn you into the law
(as he did recently to another member in this very forum).
If your mother did not christen you "Acca" or if she couldn't be bothered to provide you with a last name,
can you provide some other means to "get in touch" with you instead of hiding behind your "Acca" forum handle.
Thx
PIH123 (first name PIH, Last Name 123)
Oh, and one more thing, if you want to try a good experiment, try posting a question
(it doesn't even need to sound negative in any way)
on any free energy claimants youtube video under the Ids :
MileHigh, MarkDansie, TinselKoala, Poynt99.
And see how long the comment stays there. ::) ::) ::)
Honestly I am much less of a "loose cannon" than I am made out to be. Look at my comments to Djarno, I am really just trying to help the guy out and I figure he might have no clue about the qualifications or lack of qualifications of the people he was interacting with on the EF thread. Repeat: I was trying to help the guy out. And it turns out I was 100% right. In reading his subsequent posts it became readily apparent that he would not be able to qualify Clarence and BroMikey and others. Since he himself was an absolute beginner and barely had any understanding about electricity himself, he could very easily have electrocuted himself. And yet Acca wants to portray me as a bad guy because I am trying to help somebody out with some frank talk.
I looked back through this thread and I posted all sorts of technical diagrams about the alleged system as well as diagrams explaining how telluric currents work and a diagram explaining how a DC high-voltage transmission system would work. One of them is attached here. I made an effort to educate people including marking up a series of drawings. And I am such a "bad guy."
The sad thing is when presented with a lot of good technical information often the only response you get from the believers is stony silence. That's what happened here.
I was repeatedly bashed by "Enjoykin." Nobody was complaining about that. Then somebody scolded him for the repeated bashing and he instantly ran away never to be seen again.
Nothing will come of this. The schematic is nothing more than a battery powering an inverter powering a battery. The ground rods are meaningless, they just use the moist earth to complete one leg of the AC circuit. It's literally impossible to pick up any energy from the telluric currents in the ground with the setup.
Telling the truth does not make me a bad guy at all. If Clarence or anybody else doesn't believe me then prove me wrong. This only applies to those that already have a system, I still strongly advise people considering building one of these systems to not do so.
I am sure the EF crowd peeks in here from time to time. One of you has to have the courage to start talking about making measurements. I am not only taking about run times. I am sure you have seen my power flow diagram, use that as a guide for making measurements. It's very possible that Clarence is the only game in town, and nobody else will build anything. Djarno is gone and there is one new guy but I get the feeling that he is losing steam because I don't think he has posted much recently. If Clarence is the only game in town, then don't expect to see any measurements.
Now, Acca, I want you to stop your freaking out and demonizing of me - period.
MileHigh
Earth Currents Experiments CLIPS
What is in that pic THAT IS WRONG !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyP_pVtpa9w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyP_pVtpa9w)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTbsr-Lc1go (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTbsr-Lc1go)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj5spHx_-X8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj5spHx_-X8)
Acca..[/font]
Quote from: Acca on December 30, 2015, 01:31:34 PM
Earth Currents Experiments CLIPS
What is in that pic THAT IS WRONG !!
Acca..[/font]
I am listening. Please tell me what is wrong in my pic.
theres nothing wrong with milehighs diagram , its S.W.E.R = single wire earth return , based on tesla and introduced / "invented" by Lloyd Mandeno in 1925 in NZ .
still used in rural areas and in Brazil
anyone can google it = "mandenos clothesline"
just another variation of transmission , tesla
Прекрасные Восходящие Молнии ! Amazing Upward Lightning !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zsiyW8l6rs
Energy is flowing up ...
Earth is loaded with ENERGY and very heavy current flows under us..
The Return path for electrons is WRONG....
There is a separation of charges (electrons) by the GENERATOR and the electrons enter the wire at right angles to the wire ..
PROOF IS HERE !!! YOU ALL WHO STILL THINK THAT THE CONVENTIONAL SYSTEM IS IT YOU HAVE AS A STANDARD EXPLANATION NEED TO WAKE UP... You all have been BRAINWASHED....
Acca...
On the Principles of Permissible Overunity EM Power Systems
By Tom Bearden July 2001
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/on_the_principles_of_permissible.htm (http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/on_the_principles_of_permissible.htm)
We develop the major principles of emerging overunity EM power systems as open systems far from thermodynamic equilibrium, freely receiving excess energy from the active vacuum. Such systems were arbitrarily omitted from Maxwell's theory by curtailment. Heaviside's reinterpretation and simplification of Maxwell's equations did retain such overunity EM systems as one major subset. Lorentz then regauged the Maxwell-Heaviside equations by arbitrary symmetrical regauging to provide still simpler equations and a further reduced subset of permissible Maxwell-Heaviside systems. Lorentz regauging erroneously discarded the entire class of Maxwellian EM systems not in thermodynamic equilibrium with the active vacuum.
Generators and batteries do not furnish energy to their external circuits. Instead, the source dipole, once formed, extracts energy from the vacuum via the broken 3-symmetry of its constituent charges. The generators and batteries only perform work upon their internal charges to separate them and form the source dipole. Hence one does not input energy to a conventional power source to power the circuit; instead, the input energy is only for the power source to create its source dipole. Once made, the broken symmetry of the dipole extracts usable EM energy from the vacuum and pours it out the terminals of the power supply (Figure 1 (http://www.cheniere.org/images/valone%20figs/valone%20sm.jpg) ). The extracted energy from the vacuum is in the form of Heaviside/Poynting energy flow, consisting of two components (Figure 2 (http://www.cheniere.org/images/valone%20figs/valone2sm.jpg) ). The portion striking the circuit and diverged into the conductors to power the electron current is the Poynting component. The remaining Heaviside nondiverged component misses the circuit and is wasted. Every dipolar power supply is already a COP>1.0 EM converter system.
Closed current loop design of present power systems insures that Lorentz symmetrical regauging is self-applied by every system (Figure 3 (http://www.cheniere.org/images/valone%20figs/valone3sm.jpg) ). The depotentialized electrons in the ground return line are forcibly rammed back through the back emf of the source dipole, scattering the dipole charges and destroying the source dipole. This kills the flow of energy being extracted from the vacuum by the former dipole. Such systems use their collected energy to destroy their free energy mechanism (the source dipole) and its extraction of energy from the vacuum, faster than they can power their loads. Hence present EM power systems are self-crippling systems inherently self-limited to COP<1.0.
Classical EM still erroneously assumes any charge as existing in an inert vacuum and creating—right out of nothing—all the EM energy flow it continuously pours out in all directions across the entire universe, providing the EM energy in the fields and potentials associated with the charge. [/font]This erroneous assumption that every charge is a pure source and a perpetual motion machine was resolved over 40 years ago in particle physics by the discovery of broken symmetry (Figure 4 (http://www.cheniere.org/images/valone%20figs/valone4sm.jpg) [/font]). [/font]However, classical electrodynamicists have never changed their century-old model to incorporate the proven active vacuum exchange.
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VIDEO BY TOM BEARDEN..below...[/font]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wleifp3Fbe0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wleifp3Fbe0)[/font]
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Here is a video of his award ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wleifp3Fbe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wleifp3Fbe0)[/font][/font]
No, the diagram I posted is 100% correct.
Here is some good "anti brainwashing" for you:
https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos)
Watch every single one of that guy's clips and do all the background work that you need to do to understand them. For example, if you don't understand basic calculus, then undertake to learn it and understand it.
Understand all of that guy's clips - even if it means working your ass off - and then you will be in a position to make reasonable and rational evaluations of the things you see around here.
I have the same video too ..
The math is very good and easy to understand..
Thanks for the pointer !!
Acca.. and a Happy New year from Poland..
here is my math as this is my electronics math .. btw it's electronics..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23EiyhJaqEw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23EiyhJaqEw)
https://www.youtube.com/user/KhanAcademyPolski/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/KhanAcademyPolski/videos)
theres no such thing as a conventional energy system , there is an industrial/commercial profitable venture.
a society can not be built around free energy system , only a small break away commune can function that way
Beardens info and videos are well worth looking into
http://www.cheniere.org/books/efv/index.htm
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1957/
there are large telluric currents in the ground . all of electrical conductors , semi conductors and non conductors are extracted from the earth = the mining industry
the free electron of a copper atom exists whether the copper atom is in a store bought roll of wire or burried deep in the ground.
there are free electrons everywhere especially in the ground
There is nothing practical that can be done with the telluric currents in the ground. On the EF thread they make references to telluric currents and this nonsensical B&L system as if it means something, but they never try to say what that something actually is. It's the same thing they do for "where you are located on the geomagnetic map." It's meaningless data that that they try to imply means something but they never try to say what that something actually is. This is evidence telling you that they are just groping around in the dark clutching at straws. The related issue is to have the courage to state that there are serious issues and problems with the whole affair as exemplified by meaningless discussions about telluric currents and the geomagnetic map..
It's a fair statement to say that telluric currents, your location on the geomagnetic map, and the Schumann resonance are tangible things that exist in Nature but have no practical application towards the goal of the production of energy. Yet people use these buzz words as if they mean something. Probably the worst and most abused is the Schumann resonance which will have no affect whatsoever on some kind of experiment done on the bench.
If you do a "bad search" on Tom Bearden you will learn a lot about how he is not what many people believe he is. I am sure he still pays his electrical bill.
Mile high, you're just a disinformer paid by someone, or in the worst case you do not perceive free.
You have too much time to put your bucket of poop and throw it in front of the fan to anyone who does not write what you like to read.
Major advances in science have been made mainly by people who do not think and do the same to everyone, but most can not achieve anything of significance.
Your attitude is too obvious (they are talking to resist?)
If your goal is to keep the attention of the forum engaged in polemics only to prevent any real progress is made, I think you do very well because they already did that several participants contributing something very interesting, are elsewhere, where their information are welcomed, for the benefit of everyone.
I spent two weeks reading the 133 pages to catch up, with great effort, since English is not my language and the last 100 pages are filled with personal attacks and I am surprised that the forum moderators have allowed this.
I'm about three years researching what B & L and I think there is something that can be achieved either equal to what pose, Barbosa Leal, or with what is being discovered by many experimenters who have achieved results with different methods.
I hope you change your attitude, albeit late, because you managed to ruin this forum, but can regain the attention of many who dream of seeing disappear the elites who rule the world
A hug and that this new year will bring a new and great for everyone.
Lalo2 :'(
Lalo2:
I suspect that you might be a sock puppet and I am not paid by anybody. Don't you dare say that I "ruined this forum." I am bringing value to this forum in my own way. Your "first" posting devalues this forum so you better get your act together or I might be tempted to run off to an Internet cafe and create some new email addresses myself.
MileHigh
Mile High
Read
In the message of the old man is the knowledge and experience
Goodbye and have a great year
Lalo2
:)
''RADIANT ENERGY''
Hey Guys good news ! This is the way to investigate more !? Although Igor himself says no OU ! I do see it different ! Anyway very good result by my friends ! Please check it out as it is a simple setup but promising results ! So do some test and of-course let everybody know ! First clip shows Nick doing a test and then Igor respond ! Can't wait to get my ZVS ! 8)
Nick's first run...
https://youtu.be/vymQ2uty51M
Igor's latest ...a big step !!!!???
https://youtu.be/ZDzAq5-soTM
Very first from Igor with an IT where he could not complete the looping because he had no pure sign inverter !
https://youtu.be/IpAuvTBCugs?list=UUVesA155Der2tRd5vpyYdJw
Hi everybody!!
Could somebody of you tell me if the barbosa and leal device is overunity???
I do not know if somebody of you could sucessful replicate it
I do not know if you have seen this video in youtube. See the picture please. It is in spanish (i know spanish). This guy saysthat the schematic needs a capacitor to make possible to work, and the output is about 600 ampers.
Somebody could reply my post
Frank;
First, you tell me if the first two pictures in the link below represent your understanding of
the effects of overunity energy?
Web Link;
http://hacknmod.com/hack/field-of-fluorescent-tubes-powered-by-ambient-current/
:S:MarkSCoffman
Hi, I saw the pictures on your link. for me it is wireless electricity.
it is not overunity
the tubes are powered by the electricity that is on the cables
and in the third picture there is a guy with a tesla coil and it produces wireless electricity too
and it is the link of the video in youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LFmmyl1JmM
Quote from: Frank2025 on January 28, 2016, 07:53:04 PM
I do not know if you have seen this video in youtube. See the picture please. It is in spanish (i know spanish). This guy saysthat the schematic needs a capacitor to make possible to work, and the output is about 600 ampers.
Frank,
I think the schematic is from Wilson Roa's work, if I am not mistaken. I believe this is the link to the video that contains it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LFmmyl1JmM
Here is a fuller explanation by him about his setup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zf4V-85FgE
Below is something I posted elsewhere about it--
Bob
QuoteAnalysis of Electron Capture Apparatus Barbosa/Leal
by Wilson RoaTrans. Bob Smith
Below is my Spanish-to-English translation of explanation by YT user Hibridor (Wilson Roa) of the B&L Electron Captor posted with his YouTube video entitled, Análisis Captor de Electrones Barbosa/Leal - Wilson Roa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQEqzJmSsY
My document research and experiments bring me to the conclusion that Barbosa and Leal's "Captor of Electrons" is based in the technology of Tesla's spark gap and in the short circuit winding of William Barbat. I have also concluded that this setup performs three functions to deliver the final result:
1. ELEVATE THE VOLTAGE,
2. RAISE THE FREQUENCY,
3. LOWER THE VOLTAGE AND DELIVER WORKING ELECTRICITY FOR USEFUL OUTCOMES.
1. ELEVATE THE VOLTAGE: The setup that we see in the form of a transformer, referred to as an Electron Trap, is precisely this: a simple transformer. This same [transformer] accomplishes the function of Raising the Voltage of the System.
A first inductor winding is coiled in the transformer, both terminals of this winding are connected to the cables for Current Entry from the power utility. A second winding of very thick multi-stranded copper is coiled in the transformer with very few turns (from 1 to 3 turns). The terminals of this second winding are connected with one another in short circuit fashion, forming a closed loop.
Upon being supplied, the transformer, by way of the induction winding (Primary), there is generated in the Closed Loop (Secondary) a notable increase in amperage (Not in its voltage). This increase will depend on various factors: the quantity of turns in the inductor winding, the size of the transformer core, the thickness and material comprising the closed loop cable.
All the electron current which transits the short circuited winding or Closed Loop is kept in permanent circulation, an action which backfeeds the magnetic field of the transformer, and at the same time, generates a return induction (Self induction) to the same inductor winding (primary), provoking a raising of voltage in the primary winding.
2. RAISING THE FREQUENCY.
To take advantage of the high voltage generated, a High Tension Suppressor (VCL-Slim) is inserted into the Line cable (also called Potential or Positive) at the entry of the circuit.
This mechanism discharges the High Tension to a Thick Ground Cable (not obligatory to run cable to ground as Nikola Tesla explained in his patent 462,418), when the High Tension voltage exceeds the nominal capacity of the VCL-Slim, in the same way that a Spark Gap performs when the circuit voltage exceeds the dielectric capacity that separates its two points.
Given that the Closed Loop generates a stable Self-induction, the High Tension in the primary winding is stable as well. If the High Tension in the primary winding is stable and furthermore exceeds the nominal capacity of the VCL-Slim, then the discharge to ground will be constant and of high frequency.
In this system, the VCL-Slim is no longer a Passive mechanism (which is eventually activated to discharge a high tension which appears once in a while). Now it is an Active mechanism which discharges into a high tension in a Constant manner. This is an active component of the system, and in addition one of its fundamental key parts.
3. LOWER THE VOLTAGE AND DELIVER WORKING ELECTRICITY FOR USE.
To complete this action, one must measure the existing voltage between the Line cable (also called Potential or Positive) at the transformer input and the ground cable. We will take note that there is a high voltage (the same which generates the high tension). To continue, - with the system shut off – a third cable is connected (in the case of the BL Captor, consisting in various lines) to the input line to the transformer (potential or positive) and winds itself around the transformer to lower the desired voltage level. The far end of this cable will be connected to the output hookup [socket] together with another cable connected to the ground.
End of story.
"Knowing that relative truths exist, I recognize that I am a relatively mistaken man. Starting from this same fact, I seek the truth in everyone who claims to possess it."
Quote from: Frank2025 on January 28, 2016, 07:46:45 PM
Hi everybody!!
Could somebody of you tell me if the barbosa and leal device is overunity???
I do not know if somebody of you could sucessful replicate it
Hi,
Most of the views on this forum thread have been chasing the wrong secret of the Barbosa and Leal "Discovery". There is no new discovery. Go over to energetic forum
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-43.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-43.html)
and look at the last pages on their discussion. You will see a not so new Tesla coil configuration. That should ring warning bells about chasing dreams through misleading patents. You might learn and realise what is actually going on. What the Barbosa and Leal patent does is disguise Tesla's Asymmetrical transformer design. Over there, is a design posted by Bromikey on a design by Clarence who left Overunity due to harassment. The concepts and basic design are both well documented on the internet. So what does that say about Barbosa and Leal?
Good hunting, Pity about the 133pages of convoluted posts, mostly about nothing.
Regards
Hello everybody,
This is my test on the loop. I don't have the ground connection. I test it to study only.
Test with one transformer:
- The output of two transformer is not the same. The first one is 1.113v. The second one is 1.012v.
- The current in the loop is very high (450A) and the wire is very hot.
Test with two transformer:
- The current in the loop is about 8.3 A. (Because the current of two transformer is not the same).
- If two transformer is the same, the current in the loop will be 0 A.
I still need more time to test and study.
Thanks,
Hi all.
I'm new to this forum. I've been following & studying this topic for a while now. To ensure I summarize my understanding of the working unit that Clarence put together, I carefully made up the attached schematic.
Please let me know if I have this correct.
Mario.
Hello people, I'm new here, so I've been researching this captor for months and watching some videos on the internet. I realized a lot of people are using different circuits, not worrying about the grounding grid, which is the most important! some said 60 grounding bars of 3 meters were needed to operate.
on youtube I found the following video that makes the most sense and that really works, before seeing this video I already suspected that it could be a circuit similar. look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LFmmyl1JmM he used 1 grounding bar I'm leaving the schematic in the attachment, anyone there can do the same ??? I am almost sure that this scheme is what works and that may be the original of the barbosa and loyal and not this schemes that we see around the internet. it uses only one phase without the neutral and uses the earth to give DDP on the induction coil, and uses a capacitor in the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LFmmyl1JmM
Look at the comment I found in the video, it's very interesting.
"Good evening, my friends, I'm Brazilian, and our friend from the Dominican Republic has made an effort to investigate the Earth's energy grab made by barbosa and loyal, I've been investigating this project for several months, until I discovered that he used a technology that exists a lot time in "shaded pole motor" motors, what happens is that the consumption in the phase continues more in the opposite direction to the half-cycle.
During the variation of the amplitude of the flow that passes through the short coil, current paths appear that create as many magnetic fields, weakening the flows that created them and opposing them. Thus, it is possible to decrease the magnetic flux over the shaded poles when the flux is increasing and maintain the magnitude of the field while it is decreasing. It turns out that there are two pulsating magnetic fields, which are not displaced by 90º (at most 45º), but their combined effect is the creation of a weak magnetic field, FINAL RESULT, IS ANULATION OF CONSUMPTION IN THE FACE AND THEREFORE WE HAVE TO USE THE EARTH FOR CONTINUATION OF THE SEMI-CYCLE."
Hello people, I'm new here, so I've been researching this captor for months and watching some videos on the internet. I realized a lot of people are using different circuits, not worrying about the grounding grid, which is the most important! some said 60 grounding bars of 3 meters were needed to operate.
on youtube I found the following video that makes the most sense and that really works, before seeing this video I already suspected that it could be a circuit similar. look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LFmmyl1JmM he used 1 grounding bar I'm leaving the schematic in the attachment, anyone there can do the same ??? I am almost sure that this scheme is what works and that may be the original of the barbosa and loyal and not this schemes that we see around the internet. it uses only one phase without the neutral and uses the earth to give DDP on the induction coil, and uses a capacitor in the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LFmmyl1JmM
Look at the comment I found in the video, it's very interesting.
"Good evening, my friends, I'm Brazilian, and our friend from the Dominican Republic has made an effort to investigate the Earth's energy grab made by barbosa and loyal, I've been investigating this project for several months, until I discovered that he used a technology that exists a lot time in "shaded pole motor" motors, what happens is that the consumption in the phase continues more in the opposite direction to the half-cycle.
During the variation of the amplitude of the flow that passes through the short coil, current paths appear that create as many magnetic fields, weakening the flows that created them and opposing them. Thus, it is possible to decrease the magnetic flux over the shaded poles when the flux is increasing and maintain the magnitude of the field while it is decreasing. It turns out that there are two pulsating magnetic fields, which are not displaced by 90º (at most 45º), but their combined effect is the creation of a weak magnetic field, FINAL RESULT, IS ANULATION OF CONSUMPTION IN THE FACE AND THEREFORE WE HAVE TO USE THE EARTH FOR CONTINUATION OF THE SEMI-CYCLE."
Hi everyone,
Clarence is not with us anymore.I have decided to put together a short 10 page historical account of Clarence's replication of the B&L devices.
I will be posting more here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details.html
Let me start with this:
POST #1548 A pot of gold --hopefully:
QuoteTHE WHOLE SOB DOES WHAT IT WAS SAID IT COULD DO!
I have Had it pulling energy from the ground up tp 9.8AMPS.
all of this while the KAW meter only shows 0.07 amps supplied from the mains and at 5.4 watts.
At first I thought it was a faulty KAW so I dug out the others and tried Four more of them - they all read the same.
I have run a floor fan, my microwave, my smart charger charging my battery banks, all at the same time - still NO CHANGE ON THE INPUT FROM THE MAINs- 0.07 amps at 5.4 watts.
I was just standing there dumbfounded.
All this time the # 12 wraps on the toroid only showed .5 amps with never changing!.
The following is a quote from a short 10 page PDF document I put together called 'A historical account of Clarence's replication of the B&L devices.pdf'
QuoteMains Performance:
#1549 08-07-2017, 11:34 PM - '18.8 amps out for .07 amps in is quite an increase!'
#1551 08-08-2017, 12:55 AM - 'loaded my setup with loads equaling 26 + amps on a wall plug outlet only rated for 20 amps MAX - no breaker trip'
#1746 10-21-2017, 10:05 PM - 'I have put up to 37 AMP LOAD on a 20 amp wall socket for the unit I am still using DAILY. The watt reading shown on the KAW meter was ALWAYS very low. Be it Known AS LUC said that even the MINIMAL system Resistance WILL drop the system voltage as more loads are added.'
Shouldn't we all be retracing Clarence's steps from HERE?
I believe the PDF is a must for anyone looking into the Clarence replication.
Not only will it serve as a map of this whole thread, it will also allow you to see what each step made by Clarence was for and the progress made.
Judging character is not a measure of anyone's claims. This man, regardless of his ways and attitudes has labored for years towards this single goal. Even in his old age was undoubtedly a very capable man in all he did.
Clarence may have been fooled by B&L for 2 years but he was meticulous and adamant to get there. He may have done just what he set out to do in the end!
So the way I see it, the claim still stands as stated above and it is very clear to me.
Download the pdf below and let me know what you think:Oh! and have a GREAT day!
Let's compare 2 quotes:
#1 VRAND #1708 10-11-2017, 10:05 AM
Quote
Current setup for 120 Vac. using 5 watts input from utility, (0.04 amps) and getting 2000 watts output, (24.5 amps) from the device, then the input plug circuit breaker trips open. To go over +20 amps output will need a higher rated circuit breaker.
What this tells me simply is that the a ground loop was formed, the earth acted as a neutral wire back to the utility neutral/ground and the circuit was completed. The KWM was fooled, but the 20A breaker was not fooled.
#2 CLARENCE #1746 10-21-2017, 10:05 PM
QuoteI have put up to 37 AMP LOAD on a 20 amp wall
socket for the unit I am still using DAILY. The watt reading shown on the KAW meter
was ALWAYS very low.
VRAND says the breaker trips. Clarence says, breaker will not trip! :o ???
Clarence though never said anything more to clarify what load this was and how it was calculated/measured.
To Clarence's defense, this was not his first rodeo on maximizing the loads:
Quote#1549 08-07-2017, 11:34 PM - '18.8 amps out for .07 amps in is quite an increase!'
#1551 08-08-2017, 12:55 AM - 'loaded my setup with loads equaling 26 + amps on a
wall plug outlet only rated for 20 amps MAX - no breaker trip'
#1559 08-08-2017, 06:41 AM 'this thing will blow your mind away! I had even considered going to my sons shop and dragging his small AC welder over to my house and adding it to the loads I was running. I wanted to get to 30 amps or more to push the limit but I only reached 26 + amps from the Ground.'
What is going on here? :o
The only thing that Clarence had, that noone else had were the 60 grounding rods.Quote#1584 08-09-2017, 06:37 PM
My ground grid is only 4 grounding rods which I'm hoping is the problem. In the past(as a test) I've used 14" galvanised nails to add to the grid (with alligator leads) to see if energy increases with more rods. Well it does add more energy as I added more nails.
So my ole friend help me out here. Should I add more grounding rods to my grid? That's the only difference in our setups. I remember you had 60 or so rods. Are you using that many now?
Quote#1585 08-09-2017, 08:20 PM
Yes, that probably is the problem ole friend. After all this is an energy from the ground devise.
Also, I am using the 60 ground rods.
Here is an important note for all members , ... Barbosa and Cleriston Leal ... about the ground rods ... answered by sayingthe the minimum shoudbe somewhere around 26 rods
What is certain is that Clarence was using 60 rods although they may not all be necessary in other regions, because his ground was kind of a swamp area.
::) Is this it? Is this why he was seeing more amps (37A) than the 20A coming through his breaker? Is this why his breaker wasn't tripping? ???
That is almost 2x the power, even though it did involve a fool the meter routine and I think he knew this but could not avoid it as can be deduced from the following:Quote#1570 08-08-2017, 06:43 PM
First, it is an (Almost) exact duplicate of Ariovaldo's schematic. I even followed the color code on the wires as close as possible.
Second, most people would just say that's only a damn ground loop to avoid the meter. In a way it is and in a way it ISN"T.
...Any way, each member can look at it the way they want and make their own decision.
:)
Clarence
in #1491 07-25-2017, 11:33 AM called the Ariovaldo schematic 'Basically a Fool the Meter layout'. Here
in #1570, he is calling his new setup with dual toroids an exact DUPLICATE ALMOST! He basically admits that it does involve a 'fool the meter routine', but he sees a PLUS in the whole affair.
Then he comes out with something like this:
Quote#1610 08-10-2017, 11:07 PM
Yeah, the only thing the Utility grid powers is the Two toroids, and that only amounts to .07 Amps. Every thing else does come from the ground.
#1728 10-20-2017, 04:25 AM
The load Amperage comes via ground - It is NOT provided by the
HOT connection through the 20 amp rated wall socket - that is why
HIGH AMP loads can be achieved WITHOUT going through the Mains
METER.
The above statements may not be 100% correct, and it may have been the way HE looked at it.
On the other hand, could it be that power was flowing IN REVERSE, from the ground into the circuit?There may be a lot of truth in his statements, but
one would need to start with the 26 ground rods FIRST, before one can find out. :)
I hope this will be a true help to someone. I certainly do not have the ground space for something like this, but many of you may do.
So good luck and please let me know your findings. 8)
PS. I have posted useful schematics over at http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-61.html for anyone interested in this analysis.
ENERGIA UNIVERSAL-Nilson Barbosa e Cleriston Leal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo
If these people reveal their cloned technology, they're likely to be embarrassed.
https://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg367694/#msg367694
The core principle of the two diodes of the kappanadze generator transformer is here.
kappanadze generators have been sold worldwide.
At the same time, Basmus and Akula unveiled the generator in Russia,
kappanadze appears from the start of selling generators.
There are many scammers in the world.
I clone this device exactly. Its fake. By disrupter of meter of electricity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NNOxfNPxeU
Has anyone built this Barbosa and leal device except from nelsonrochas and two other men, based on how I was informed.
Seems barbosa and leal used low voltages to draw ambient, it's also good to use low voltage to draw ambient.
...
Leely, #1999 description/principle/arrangement feels/senses like :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20060112&CC=DE&NR=102004029434A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20060112&CC=DE&NR=102004029434A1&KC=A1)
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=102004029434&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en
I thought this work was connected to Tesla, but I've found out its not.
Hello
From an old days!!!
it is pure Tesla
Of courses
Tesla know this!!
Quote from: forest on May 18, 2022, 02:55:59 PM
it is pure Tesla
Not sure
Maybe, Nikola Tesla electric car is powered by this battery electrons Captor from the Air? Who knows
some times ago, i have replicated Barbosa and Leal device !!!
Captor of free electrons from the ground !!
How many ground rods did you use? I remember someone replicated this and they needed over 10 seperate ground rods.
Hi,
3 ground rods only !!!
1 ground rod in
2 ground rods out
Quote from: Vortex 22 on May 18, 2022, 04:53:44 PM
Not sure
Maybe, Nikola Tesla electric car is powered by this battery electrons Captor from the Air? Who knows
[a little off topic, but obscurely related]
It is much simpler than that.
Think in terms of a vacuum-tube rectifier,
and an antenna tuned to a range of: 800-1200 Mhz
———————————————————————————
Telluric currents are a combination of man-made and stellar frequencies,
modulated by the substrate.
In some areas there may be as many as 1000 simultaneous signals
running through any randomly sampled portion of ground.
When rectified, these can combine constructively or destructively (or both)
Providing varying results between repeated experiments, and locale.
In populated areas the most common mad-made currents derive from
underground television cables, local radio stations, and even satellite communications.
In addition, the 60-Hz (neutral phase) is detected near power lines.
A study of signal processing techniques goes a long way in understanding electricity
from the ground.
FM radio signals are easy to identify and/or filter out, AM however can be tricky
and travels great distances. Generally in the 500-1500kHz band
(up to 3Mhz under heavy crystal substrate, such as quartz bedrock or sand)
———————————————————————————————
The following focuses on areas outside of civilization, and not in a primary satcom zone.
[to remove the side effects of power plant return circuits]
Assuming an independent a/c power source sufficiently shielded and a closed ground
loop that does not go to earth.
A reduction of Lea's circuit is synonymous to Leedskalnin's PMH.
(capacitively discharging and reversing direction every half-cycle)
1st point of mention: the output is out of phase
this will affect some intuitive methodology when you are measuring it.
2nd: the high-impedance capacitor (earth) could theoretically be simulated or replicated
giving a completely 'benchtop' experiment, no earth or mains needed.
bunch of data, several pages of math and.....
we reach maximum efficiency at slightly under resonance
with our high-z LC circuit as we approach the input frequency.
Affecting factor: magnetic reluctance of the high-z circuit.
(In earth this is the mineral content, primarily ferrous)
The size of the earth-circuit will affect resonance.
(i.e. the distance from your houses ground rod to the mains-ground where it comes off
the pole would represent a 'volume of earth' acting as a capacitor, the wiring in your house
as the other inductor and your load would us an appropriate phase from one plug, neutral from
a matching socket across the house to create the condition.)
would be interesting to see one of these experiments show the power companies meter
along side their retail meters while they do their experiments.....
as we have seen with the PMH-oscillators, there is energy consumed in breaking the keeper.
even though it is not evident in the circuit, it is still 'felt' as a drain at the power source.
Measurements of this can only be taken from outside the inductive loop.
house mains, battery or what have you.
the equivalent circuit would be to take 2 plugs from your wall, wire them to their own inductor.
one backwards,
Then use pick-up coils to receive the collapsing fields.
You can draw energy from the source without changing the circuit.
Looks like 'free energy' right?
You've even tricked your electric meter! (not really)
little test device noone cares.
build a big one, the power company brings you an industrial meter
that can detect what you are doing a little more accurately.
This is exactly what happens when you run multiple inductive motors
on a single a/c source.
Maxwell-Volta-Fourier
The reason is simple, the reluctance changes as the magnetic field reverses.
internally, the circuit remains constant.
but from the perspective of the source, the load is seen as a drain.
Hello,
Guess what,
No high voltage and/or high frequency is needed to replicate Barbosa and Leal Device !!!
This is the most plausible, cost effective home free energy setup to me.
Anyone messin about with this?
Quote from: patch6 on July 13, 2023, 03:21:18 PM
This is the most plausible, cost effective home free energy setup to me.
Anyone messin about with this?
Obviously after 10 years and 135 pages no one was able to successfully replicate it. ::)