I have readed a lot on http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/.
Mainly scanned most, except for chapter 3. That regards solid state devices.
I have also read, but not understand (because else I wouldn't ask here) The Quest Of Zero-Point Energy(field ?) and Tapping the Zero-point energy field.
It should be noted those books are 'dated' and not up to date to most recent.
Anyways I have built a tesla coil, but its not complete yet aswell working.
Any feedback/help would be greatly appreciated.
Now my problem is, that the wire itself is very thin, woven, copper.
Under conrad it falls under 'Koperdraad 192m CLI 200/15'
I wired like 190M on the coil.
If I finish the coil, will it work because the wire is so thin and woven/spinned together ?
I post more pictures later if needed/wanted.
If I understand the tesla coil properly, and what I readed (please correct me if mistaken),
It is no free energy UNLESS you use static energy with dielectric isulation and turbo amplfy it with a turbo coil or multiple coils.
But on the other side I also readed that when you have a turbo coil, and you have 1 volt @ 60 hertz, and after the coil it comes out at 1 volt 120 hertz you actually have, when splitted down, 4 volts of 60 hertz ?
And the only ZPE energy gain from the tesla coil is when you transmit and receive the energy ?
Please, and please, post serious.
No I have not studied electric nor English ;).
I do understand I still need a Toroid (or a metallic drink can FE coca-cola can(empty)).
Aswell conductors/capacitors.
Anyways this is my schematic (somehow simplified it formyself)
http://img.ctrlv.in/5105155b7096d.jpg (http://img.ctrlv.in/5105155b7096d.jpg)
and the 'coil' :
http://img.ctrlv.in/510515db90d39.jpg (http://img.ctrlv.in/510515db90d39.jpg)
And the wire-setup;
http://img.ctrlv.in/5105159a89f75.jpg (http://img.ctrlv.in/5105159a89f75.jpg)
More detailed winding;
http://img.ctrlv.in/5102d3180991b.jpg (http://img.ctrlv.in/5102d3180991b.jpg)
Better 'size' speculation ?
http://img.ctrlv.in/5102d3c55b509.jpg (http://img.ctrlv.in/5102d3c55b509.jpg)
Congratulations on your first Tesla Coil project! There are some things you should know, though.
First, let me remind you that Tesla Coils can be _dangerous_ if you don't know what you are doing. You can very easily kill yourself, or get very serious burns from them. The Tesla Coil is actually a very sophisticated apparatus, even though it appears simple at first. Much work has been done by many people to find out what works, and what doesn't.
Second... I can't tell from your description and pictures whether or not your wire is insulated. Does it have enamel insulation on it or is it just bare, twisted copper as it appears? If it is NOT insulated, then of course your coil will not work. If it is insulated, then it _could_ work if other problems are taken care of. The multi-strand twisting isn't important, but is a waste of wire and money (in my opinion.) Most Tesla Coils use single-strand, enamelled copper, "magnet wire" for the secondary coil. For example my MOT-DC coil uses #27, single-enamel coated magnet wire for the secondary.
Third... the schematic you present is not correct, as well as I can figure it out. Please study some Tesla Coil schematics that you can find on the web, and look at the differences in the primary circuits. Also, neatness in the drawing helps us to understand what you are presenting, and neatness in the actual TC layout will help you, in terms of safety and ease of operation. I'm not too good at drawing schematics myself, but I always try to realize that someone else may not know how to interpret my scrawls, especially if I use non-standard symbols and terms.
Fourth: the spark gap is a critical element of a Tesla Coil, perhaps the most critical. I can tell you right away that your spark gap structure will not work very well. You need to be able to adjust the spacing, you need to deal with the heat and gases from the spark gap, you need to beware of the high voltage here. A simple 2-element gap made like yours won't work very well. Please study the spark gaps used in working coils. A good gap doesn't have to be complicated or use a motor, but it does have to be designed properly. A multi-element gap made from pieces of copper pipe can work very well and isn't much more complicated than your simple pair of screws.
Fifth... the construction of the primary coil and its supply, including the spark gap, tank capacitor and high-voltage AC source, is also critical for good performance. You need some work here as well. What do you intend to use for the primary AC voltage source? Most people building simple spark-gap Tesla Coils (SGTCs) will use a neon sign transformer (NST), rated anywhere from 6 to 15 kilovolts (6000 to 15000 volts output) at 5 to 30 milliAmps. This, in combination with the necessary capacitor, will make a VERY DANGEROUS primary circuit and you need to keep this in mind as you lay out your parts and connect them together. Any decent capacitor used in a SGTC will also hold a charge long after the power is disconnected and can easily kill you if you grab the wrong wire at the wrong time, even if the coil is unplugged and not operating.
Sixth... the topload. This can be a sphere or toroid or other smooth rounded shape. Size and smoothness are the important features here. A "coke can" isn't really going to be adequate for a coil of your dimensions. You could use steel bowls from a restaurant supply store, or you could wrap a wooden or styrofoam form with metal foil tape, or you could use shiny car hubcaps like I used in my TinselKoil 2.0, a high-power solidstate coil. I have even seen people use small tire inner tubes wrapped with aluminum duct tape or cooking foil. Any "donut" toroid or sphere shape should work as long as it has a smooth surface without sharp points or really tight curves. I've had good luck with metal clothes-dryer ducting, even though it's not particularly smooth in appearance, it seems to be electrically "smooth" enough to work. This topload is the "terminal capacitance" and works by lowering the resonant frequency of the secondary coil itself and holding charge while the voltage builds up. If you have rough surfaces or sharp points or edges here the voltage blows off as corona before it can build to a high value.
May I make a suggestion? Look up "Slayer Exciter" and build one of those first, following instructions exactly. This is a simple, low-voltage solid-state TC system that is NOT dangerous to build and operate, and will teach you a lot about construction and operation. Once you've gotten a Slayer Exciter to work, and you understand what's going on, THEN resume work on your present project.
You've made a good start, and I wish you the best of successes. You have a long way to go, though.
You might be interested in looking at these videos of my most recent Tesla Coil, the MOT-DC coil. I need to stress, again, that these coils are _dangerous_ if not handled properly, they can shock, burn, kill, and start fires. The MOT coils are especially dangerous as the Microwave Oven Transformers are not current-limited the way NSTs are.
Design overview of the MOT-DC coil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjc9ilOAaQU
Slideshow of some sparks from the coil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U (watch in HD)
My Slayer Exciter build:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6uQUxC7DS8
I do not know the Tesla coil patent application !
My questions are :
Did Nicola Tesla refered other inventions before this in his application ?
What would Benjamin Franklins safety lightning invention become as active antenna ?
Did Mr. Tesla specific material examples ?
What is for the user priority/ what for the material : Voltage or Ampérage ?
Transformimg the lightning-flash or the lightning-thunder ?
Sincerely
OCWdL
Quote from: TinselKoala on October 31, 2013, 06:17:41 AM
Congratulations on your first Tesla Coil project! There are some things you should know, though.
First, let me remind you that Tesla Coils can be _dangerous_ if you don't know what you are doing. You can very easily kill yourself, or get very serious burns from them. The Tesla Coil is actually a very sophisticated apparatus, even though it appears simple at first. Much work has been done by many people to find out what works, and what doesn't.
Second... I can't tell from your description and pictures whether or not your wire is insulated. Does it have enamel insulation on it or is it just bare, twisted copper as it appears? If it is NOT insulated, then of course your coil will not work. If it is insulated, then it _could_ work if other problems are taken care of. The multi-strand twisting isn't important, but is a waste of wire and money (in my opinion.) Most Tesla Coils use single-strand, enamelled copper, "magnet wire" for the secondary coil. For example my MOT-DC coil uses #27, single-enamel coated magnet wire for the secondary.
Third... the schematic you present is not correct, as well as I can figure it out. Please study some Tesla Coil schematics that you can find on the web, and look at the differences in the primary circuits. Also, neatness in the drawing helps us to understand what you are presenting, and neatness in the actual TC layout will help you, in terms of safety and ease of operation. I'm not too good at drawing schematics myself, but I always try to realize that someone else may not know how to interpret my scrawls, especially if I use non-standard symbols and terms.
Fourth: the spark gap is a critical element of a Tesla Coil, perhaps the most critical. I can tell you right away that your spark gap structure will not work very well. You need to be able to adjust the spacing, you need to deal with the heat and gases from the spark gap, you need to beware of the high voltage here. A simple 2-element gap made like yours won't work very well. Please study the spark gaps used in working coils. A good gap doesn't have to be complicated or use a motor, but it does have to be designed properly. A multi-element gap made from pieces of copper pipe can work very well and isn't much more complicated than your simple pair of screws.
Fifth... the construction of the primary coil and its supply, including the spark gap, tank capacitor and high-voltage AC source, is also critical for good performance. You need some work here as well. What do you intend to use for the primary AC voltage source? Most people building simple spark-gap Tesla Coils (SGTCs) will use a neon sign transformer (NST), rated anywhere from 6 to 15 kilovolts (6000 to 15000 volts output) at 5 to 30 milliAmps. This, in combination with the necessary capacitor, will make a VERY DANGEROUS primary circuit and you need to keep this in mind as you lay out your parts and connect them together. Any decent capacitor used in a SGTC will also hold a charge long after the power is disconnected and can easily kill you if you grab the wrong wire at the wrong time, even if the coil is unplugged and not operating.
Sixth... the topload. This can be a sphere or toroid or other smooth rounded shape. Size and smoothness are the important features here. A "coke can" isn't really going to be adequate for a coil of your dimensions. You could use steel bowls from a restaurant supply store, or you could wrap a wooden or styrofoam form with metal foil tape, or you could use shiny car hubcaps like I used in my TinselKoil 2.0, a high-power solidstate coil. I have even seen people use small tire inner tubes wrapped with aluminum duct tape or cooking foil. Any "donut" toroid or sphere shape should work as long as it has a smooth surface without sharp points or really tight curves. I've had good luck with metal clothes-dryer ducting, even though it's not particularly smooth in appearance, it seems to be electrically "smooth" enough to work. This topload is the "terminal capacitance" and works by lowering the resonant frequency of the secondary coil itself and holding charge while the voltage builds up. If you have rough surfaces or sharp points or edges here the voltage blows off as corona before it can build to a high value.
May I make a suggestion? Look up "Slayer Exciter" and build one of those first, following instructions exactly. This is a simple, low-voltage solid-state TC system that is NOT dangerous to build and operate, and will teach you a lot about construction and operation. Once you've gotten a Slayer Exciter to work, and you understand what's going on, THEN resume work on your present project.
You've made a good start, and I wish you the best of successes. You have a long way to go, though.
You might be interested in looking at these videos of my most recent Tesla Coil, the MOT-DC coil. I need to stress, again, that these coils are _dangerous_ if not handled properly, they can shock, burn, kill, and start fires. The MOT coils are especially dangerous as the Microwave Oven Transformers are not current-limited the way NSTs are.
Design overview of the MOT-DC coil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjc9ilOAaQU
Slideshow of some sparks from the coil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U (watch in HD)
My Slayer Exciter build:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6uQUxC7DS8
The wire is insulated. Should I extra insulate it by spraying paint on it or brushing glue over it ?
And yes I know the shematic isn't 100% correct but thats because I have no PC at my 'workshop' and cba to instal printer due having to IP on my intranet (192.168.XX.12) since printer is on the other IP range.
I saw a spark gap, correct my if wrong, but I think it was you'rs in the comparsion thread with a toggleabe distance thing (yes is you'rs just looked back) http://www.overunity.com/13935/tesla-coil-build-comparison-proof-of-ability/dlattach/attach/129134/image//
Prolly gonna impost that thing once I get it somehow running.
About NST's I still need to order one, but I doubt I will do because I have more questions about the tesla coil.
And toroids I still need to order or create one, I am aware of that.
1. I don't need a tank reservoir if using modern strong capacitors right ?
2. The higher the voltage the less amps(less heating) thus more power runs trough the wires ?
3. What is the rated energy gain from transmitting to receiving (+-% if any as I understand and understood?) ?
4. As NST I can destroy a microwave and use the converter in there instead of ordering professional equipment ?
I want to replicate a tesla coil, or a tesla coil variant.
Once succes I want to focus on Sweet VTA. I couldn't find a topic here nor sub forum.
You know any topic perhaps ?
Also what can you tell about windings ? For example 1000 windings instead of 500 windings since you built multiple ?
I have so many questions but I don't know where to start. Mainly because multiple sites write multiple things.
Very hard for me to determine the best/most efficient.
You use IRC perhaps ?
And TinselKoala you're the reason I signed up.
Quote from: lancaIV on October 31, 2013, 07:54:18 AM
I do not know the Tesla coil patent application !
My questions are :
Did Nicola Tesla refered other inventions before this in his application ?
What would Benjamin Franklins safety lightning invention become as active antenna ?
Did Mr. Tesla specific material examples ?
What is for the user priority/ what for the material : Voltage or Ampérage ?
Transformimg the lightning-flash or the lightning-thunder ?
Sincerely
OCWdL
About Tesla aswell Tesla patens;
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/P31.pdf
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/TeslaBook.pdf
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/TeslasCoil.pdf
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/TeslaPatents.html
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/TeslaTrueWireless.pdf
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2858787/tesla_free_energy_conference/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2820531/don_smith_free_energy/
Insane voltage -> uber low amperage.
(if correct it goes at 1/10 ratio 100 volt 1 amp is 1000 volt 0.1 amp.)
Basicly.
Thank you mx1000 for the delivered info !
But for me it will take time to study and understand the basics and fundamentals of his meanings(original) and intentions(original,refered) ,included claims and designs !
Sincerely
CdL
Quote from: mx1000 on October 31, 2013, 08:40:51 AM
The wire is insulated. Should I extra insulate it by spraying paint on it or brushing glue over it ?
Yes. Most people seem to be using a clear spray coating called "Krylon" here in the USA. I used nearly two whole cans, 10 coats or so, on my MOT-DC coil.
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And yes I know the shematic isn't 100% correct but thats because I have no PC at my 'workshop' and cba to instal printer due having to IP on my intranet (192.168.XX.12) since printer is on the other IP range.
I saw a spark gap, correct my if wrong, but I think it was you'rs in the comparsion thread with a toggleabe distance thing (yes is you'rs just looked back) http://www.overunity.com/13935/tesla-coil-build-comparison-proof-of-ability/dlattach/attach/129134/image// (http://www.overunity.com/13935/tesla-coil-build-comparison-proof-of-ability/dlattach/attach/129134/image//)
Prolly gonna impost that thing once I get it somehow running.
Good. If you try to use your gap you will quickly see why I recommend something different. A major problem with TC gaps is "power arcing", where the gases/plasma from the spark doesn't dissipate fast enough and so a continuous arc can form, rather than a sharply interrupted spark. The TC system needs a fast _shut-off_ of the spark to work properly. This is why the compressed air makes so much difference in my coil. Without the air blast, my simple 2-element sphere gap doesn't work nearly as well. I am "blowing out" the spark with the air.
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About NST's I still need to order one, but I doubt I will do because I have more questions about the tesla coil.
Any city of reasonable size will have Neon Sign workshops, you may be able to get a used NST from your local sign shop for not much money.
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And toroids I still need to order or create one, I am aware of that.
1. I don't need a tank reservoir if using modern strong capacitors right ?
Sorry, what I call a "tank" is the complete circuit formed by the primary coil and the capacitor. When the spark is "on" the coil and capacitor are connected together by the spark and this forms a resonant "tank" circuit. Sometimes I refer to the capacitor in this "tank" as a reservoir, since it helps to store the energy. The inductance of the primary coil is also an energy storage. In Tesla's time high-voltage capacitors were large and expensive and even looked like "tanks" (reservoirs, not war machines!).
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2. The higher the voltage the less amps(less heating) thus more power runs trough the wires ?
Power is the product of voltage x current. (Watts = Volts x Amps). You can have the same power with high voltage low current, or low voltage high current. The power dissipated in the wires as heat is the product of the square of the current x the resistance of the wire. (Watts = amps
2 x ohms)
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3. What is the rated energy gain from transmitting to receiving (+-% if any as I understand and understood?) ?
I don't know. In any case this will depend on many variables of construction and design and operation.
If you are talking about the expected voltage rise in the secondary coil, that can be calculated once you settle on your final design. Many builders begin with the calculations and design based on them, but I generally build first then calculate.
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4. As NST I can destroy a microwave and use the converter in there instead of ordering professional equipment ?
Yes... but the Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT) is _much more dangerous_ than a NST, because it is not current-limited. It is also much harder to use in an AC Tesla coil, because it usually doesn't have the necessary voltage output. 2 or 3 kV is usual for a MOT and a normal AC TC wants a lot more voltage in the primary than that. A MOT is more of a "current source" than a voltage source. My MOT-DC coil is probably unique. Most MOT-powered coils use 2 or more in series for AC, and/or a more complicated circuit involving HV diodes like Farmhand's DC MOT coil.
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I want to replicate a tesla coil, or a tesla coil variant.
Once succes I want to focus on Sweet VTA. I couldn't find a topic here nor sub forum.
You know any topic perhaps ?
There are some old threads on the VTA, I think, if you search. Look in the "community" tab.
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Also what can you tell about windings ? For example 1000 windings instead of 500 windings since you built multiple ?
The length of the secondary wire windings is the main thing that determines its resonant frequency. A Tesla Coil is a "quarter-wave resonator" with one end grounded and the other end capacitatively coupled to the rest of the world. So as a rough estimate, you can take the total length of the wire on the secondary, multiply that by 4, and then determine the frequency corresponding to that wavelength. (Frequency = 1/wavelength, with freq in Hz, wavelength in meters, time in seconds.)
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I have so many questions but I don't know where to start. Mainly because multiple sites write multiple things.
Very hard for me to determine the best/most efficient.
You use IRC perhaps ?
No, I only post in forums and on YouTube. Yes... there is certainly a _lot_ of information about Tesla Coils out there. The best is really very technical stuff.
Just ask questions as they occur to you, someone will always be around to answer them.
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And TinselKoala you're the reason I signed up.
Thanks ! And the best of luck to you. Please be careful though, especially if you think to use a MOT. It is no joke, this thing can kill you dead, and it only takes one single mistake to do it. Keep one hand in your pocket (so if you do get shocked it can't go through your chest and stop your heart) and use some insulated-handle thing to short the capacitor before working on the system, and keep a cliplead jumper across the capacitor to keep it shorted when not in use.
First reading : http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/TeslaTrueWireless.pdf (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/TeslaTrueWireless.pdf)
(original) by Nicola Tesla :
by my words (first overview)
tunnel-similar winded band-waves versus Hertzian wave theory
air coil (tube)
aerial sound channel
probably important : frequency to modulate the distance: band-gap
There will be much more to find but for this I will need paper(s) and pencil(s).
For writing and drawing and then to emphaize this.
Sincerely
CdL
p.s.: the natural system process is horrible 8) complex ( see Thaddeus Cahill ) also today used by sound eng-i/e-neering /composing by syntheziser/Vocoder;
but nature took millions from years to invent hisself and we want to get it in
several days,weeks ! (offered on a golden plate ? Voyager : voyage,voyage,....)
See,read and hear( wi-hi-fi-) and feel about
the Art of Composing (old and modern):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcwLDxlNKdU&list=RD02uaWrdbvhg1Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcwLDxlNKdU&list=RD02uaWrdbvhg1Q)
1-50. ( the audio-video on the right side )
so many buttons to variate and modulate :transmutate
thinking also back to the first steps:
the Henry-telegraph machine and the Morse-Code/Alphabet
the Tesla-telegraph machine and the ..................................................
encode and/or decode ti and it
make your own peer-review
braingame:
Tesla coil Tesla ray coil T-ray coil T-ray tube
Tesla machine
Ronald Fessenden machine
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=1157094A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19151019&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=1157094A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19151019&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)
tube emissor and receiver to spheric emissor and receiver
look for Ronald Fessenden invention collection
signal anglo : si(g)nal portuguese si(g)n- or sight-seeing
I love the Stockhausen. I have only heard that on vinyl, many years ago. Thank you for posting it. The "gloss" (annotation comments in the video) is also very interesting, like liner notes.
Thanks!
Quote from: TinselKoala on October 31, 2013, 06:04:21 PM
Yes. Most people seem to be using a clear spray coating called "Krylon" here in the USA. I used nearly two whole cans, 10 coats or so, on my MOT-DC coil.
Good. If you try to use your gap you will quickly see why I recommend something different. A major problem with TC gaps is "power arcing", where the gases/plasma from the spark doesn't dissipate fast enough and so a continuous arc can form, rather than a sharply interrupted spark. The TC system needs a fast _shut-off_ of the spark to work properly. This is why the compressed air makes so much difference in my coil. Without the air blast, my simple 2-element sphere gap doesn't work nearly as well. I am "blowing out" the spark with the air.
Any city of reasonable size will have Neon Sign workshops, you may be able to get a used NST from your local sign shop for not much money.Sorry, what I call a "tank" is the complete circuit formed by the primary coil and the capacitor. When the spark is "on" the coil and capacitor are connected together by the spark and this forms a resonant "tank" circuit. Sometimes I refer to the capacitor in this "tank" as a reservoir, since it helps to store the energy. The inductance of the primary coil is also an energy storage. In Tesla's time high-voltage capacitors were large and expensive and even looked like "tanks" (reservoirs, not war machines!).Power is the product of voltage x current. (Watts = Volts x Amps). You can have the same power with high voltage low current, or low voltage high current. The power dissipated in the wires as heat is the product of the square of the current x the resistance of the wire. (Watts = amps2 x ohms)
I don't know. In any case this will depend on many variables of construction and design and operation.
If you are talking about the expected voltage rise in the secondary coil, that can be calculated once you settle on your final design. Many builders begin with the calculations and design based on them, but I generally build first then calculate.Yes... but the Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT) is _much more dangerous_ than a NST, because it is not current-limited. It is also much harder to use in an AC Tesla coil, because it usually doesn't have the necessary voltage output. 2 or 3 kV is usual for a MOT and a normal AC TC wants a lot more voltage in the primary than that. A MOT is more of a "current source" than a voltage source. My MOT-DC coil is probably unique. Most MOT-powered coils use 2 or more in series for AC, and/or a more complicated circuit involving HV diodes like Farmhand's DC MOT coil.
There are some old threads on the VTA, I think, if you search. Look in the "community" tab.
The length of the secondary wire windings is the main thing that determines its resonant frequency. A Tesla Coil is a "quarter-wave resonator" with one end grounded and the other end capacitatively coupled to the rest of the world. So as a rough estimate, you can take the total length of the wire on the secondary, multiply that by 4, and then determine the frequency corresponding to that wavelength. (Frequency = 1/wavelength, with freq in Hz, wavelength in meters, time in seconds.) No, I only post in forums and on YouTube. Yes... there is certainly a _lot_ of information about Tesla Coils out there. The best is really very technical stuff.
Just ask questions as they occur to you, someone will always be around to answer them.Thanks ! And the best of luck to you. Please be careful though, especially if you think to use a MOT. It is no joke, this thing can kill you dead, and it only takes one single mistake to do it. Keep one hand in your pocket (so if you do get shocked it can't go through your chest and stop your heart) and use some insulated-handle thing to short the capacitor before working on the system, and keep a cliplead jumper across the capacitor to keep it shorted when not in use.
I might actually have NST here at workplace (trafo's in my language).
I am almost sure they aint powerfull enough.
Can I put them in series, I don't think so but just asking ?
Can you tell me how strong the capitators need to be ?
So I order them together with a NST.
(psst, maybe I can build/wind my own NST ?)
Can you also answer these questions please ? , citated from first post.
"If I understand the tesla coil properly, and what I readed (please correct me if mistaken),
It is no free energy UNLESS you use static energy with dielectric isulation and turbo amplfy it with a turbo coil or multiple coils.
But on the other side I also readed that when you have a turbo coil, and you have 1 volt @ 60 hertz, and after the coil it comes out at 1 volt 120 hertz you actually have, when splitted down, 4 volts of 60 hertz ?"
Sincerly.
Quote from: mx1000 on November 02, 2013, 10:14:18 AM
I might actually have NST here at workplace (trafo's in my language).
I am almost sure they aint powerfull enough.
What is the output voltage and current of your neon sign trafo? What makes you think they won't be powerful enough? I have one SGTC that operates on a very small NST that ouputs 6 kV at only a few milliAmps, and it works pretty well as a wireless power transmitter, even though it only makes sparks of a few inches length.
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Can I put them in series, I don't think so but just asking ?
Probably not. You can put MOTs in series if you are careful but probably not NSTs as the wiring insulation will probably break down from the increased voltage. Even three MOTs in series won't get up to the voltage of a single NST.
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Can you tell me how strong the capitators need to be ?
No, not without knowing the other parameters like the primary coil's inductance and the secondary coil's resonant frequency.
You can look at various TC calculators like this one:
http://www.classictesla.com/java/javatc/javatc.html
which actually gives you a "picture" of your coil according to the parameters you enter.
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So I order them together with a NST.
(psst, maybe I can build/wind my own NST ?)
No, don't even think of it. Please remember that you are dealing with high voltages that are lethal if you make some mistake. Use a commercial NST, please. Check your local sign shop, ask for a used, 15 kV 30 mA trafo, or even a smaller one for your first coil.
Have you decided not to take my advice to start out with a Slayer Exciter? OK.... you have a lot of learning ahead of you! Please don't kill yourself, I'll feel terrible if you do.
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Can you also answer these questions please ? , citated from first post.
"If I understand the tesla coil properly, and what I readed (please correct me if mistaken),
It is no free energy UNLESS you use static energy with dielectric isulation and turbo amplfy it with a turbo coil or multiple coils.
But on the other side I also readed that when you have a turbo coil, and you have 1 volt @ 60 hertz, and after the coil it comes out at 1 volt 120 hertz you actually have, when splitted down, 4 volts of 60 hertz ?"
Sincerly.
No, I can't answer those questions because I don't know what you are talking about. What is a "turbo coil"? I don't see that term used in any of the TC literature or websites I look at. All insulation is "dielectric". The other sentence, talking about splitting down 1 volt 120 Hz to 4 volts 60 Hz, makes no sense to me. Sorry, maybe someone else can help you here.
Quote from: TinselKoala on November 02, 2013, 10:57:21 AM
What is the output voltage and current of your neon sign trafo? What makes you think they won't be powerful enough? I have one SGTC that operates on a very small NST that ouputs 6 kV at only a few milliAmps, and it works pretty well as a wireless power transmitter, even though it only makes sparks of a few inches length.
Probably not. You can put MOTs in series if you are careful but probably not NSTs as the wiring insulation will probably break down from the increased voltage. Even three MOTs in series won't get up to the voltage of a single NST.
No, not without knowing the other parameters like the primary coil's inductance and the secondary coil's resonant frequency.
You can look at various TC calculators like this one:
http://www.classictesla.com/java/javatc/javatc.html
which actually gives you a "picture" of your coil according to the parameters you enter.No, don't even think of it. Please remember that you are dealing with high voltages that are lethal if you make some mistake. Use a commercial NST, please. Check your local sign shop, ask for a used, 15 kV 30 mA trafo, or even a smaller one for your first coil.
Have you decided not to take my advice to start out with a Slayer Exciter? OK.... you have a lot of learning ahead of you! Please don't kill yourself, I'll feel terrible if you do.
No, I can't answer those questions because I don't know what you are talking about. What is a "turbo coil"? I don't see that term used in any of the TC literature or websites I look at. All insulation is "dielectric". The other sentence, talking about splitting down 1 volt 120 Hz to 4 volts 60 Hz, makes no sense to me. Sorry, maybe someone else can help you here.
It was in one of john moray books, or I readed it on http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/ somewhere in a chapter.
I have to lie here, but when I find it I will directly post it.
Anyways they/he/she stated, and that's 'common' why/how 'free energy'' works, something in this trent;
You put trough a transformer 1 volt @ 60 hertz.
When it comes out of the transformer on the other end and it is, for example, 120 hertz.
You will now have 4 volts (or 2 now I am doubting myself.) when you strip/cut down the hertz to 60.
But you only putted in 1 volt at 60 hertz.
Although this isn't as effective as it looks/seems/reads because you most likely will use hot current from the wall.
Therefore you need (extreme?) thick windings as well alot of windings which isn't making it interesting.
Not to mention the thermal loss. Any convert of 'energy' source which comes with heath production isn't effective.
I really hope I made myself understandable for you, and I will come back with a quote as well link where I readed it.
"My Tesla Coil" completing : "My Tesla Coil Body"
Look for: Biophotones research !
Scientifical Question : No existance from Biophonons ?
Man-Machine to
Men-Machine (fe-/male)
Men re-/de-/ in-sonate Machine
Machine re-/de-/in-sonate Men
mx1000 : you make faults in your writings, do not such faults by your ion-sphere
re-/search !
I assign triffids warnings ! Be carefull !
I never did directly transformer and coil potential exploration cause I worked with an technician "who learned by doing, over 40 years" to recognize the dangers and consequences in a transformer production company :
Campos & Cardoso,Porto/Portugal .
Andrew Carnegie: Giving the tools to the right man ( completing : or wife)
Sincerely
CdL
Quote from: lancaIV on November 02, 2013, 04:54:29 PM
"My Tesla Coil" completing : "My Tesla Coil Body"
Look for: Biophotones research !
Scientifical Question : No existance from Biophonons ?
Man-Machine to
Men-Machine (fe-/male)
Men re-/de-/ in-sonate Machine
Machine re-/de-/in-sonate Men
mx1000 : you make faults in your writings, do not such faults by your ion-sphere
re-/search !
I assign triffids warnings ! Be carefull !
I never did directly transformer and coil potential exploration cause I worked with an technician "who learned by doing, over 40 years" to recognize the dangers and consequences in a transformer production company :
Campos & Cardoso,Porto/Portugal .
Andrew Carnegie: Giving the tools to the right man ( completing : or wife)
Sincerely
CdL
Besides you say that I have typo's, of which I am aware, and that transformers are very dangerous (which is obvious).
But the rest, is a riddle/puzzle for me ?
I don't understand the rest, the intention of it ?
Please give me a link to a transformer (trafo) that is fed with AC at one frequency and puts out AC at some other frequency.
.
triffid: the couple from AC-motor(frequency a) and generator also called AC alternator (frequency b) means also a transformer,frequency transformer !
For example for changing the european 50Hz(nominal 3000RPM) netfrequency to the U.S. 60Hz(nominal3600RPM) electricity network !
mx1000: warnings related: smell it ,the warning,and take this (TM unimportant)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-volt_battery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-volt_battery) full recharged and close the cycle by your tongue ! Overdosis
Reality enough ? Trying harder ? Lithium ? Higher Voltage ?
From real experience we will ever become wiser
Show us the audio(bio-phonons) and -video(bio-photons) movie from the beginning to the end of this experience,approbation !
https://www.google.pt/search?q=schweppes+gesicht&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=cYV1UsiIHK-R7AaBj4DIAw&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=800&bih=418 (https://www.google.pt/search?q=schweppes+gesicht&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=cYV1UsiIHK-R7AaBj4DIAw&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=800&bih=418)
f.e. Tonic water vulgo Tonikum vulgo Electrolyt or Ionizer(f.e.Red Bull ) :
accelerating or decelerating !?
Nerve(s),Bloodplasma: influence ?! Own/foreign sug-gestion ?
Sincerely
CdL
Quote from: lancaIV on November 02, 2013, 06:32:21 PM
triffid: the couple from AC-motor(frequency a) and generator also called AC alternator (frequency b) means also a transformer,frequency transformer !
For example for changing the european 50Hz(nominal 3000RPM) netfrequency to the U.S. 60Hz(nominal3600RPM) electricity network !
mx1000: warnings related: smell it ,the warning,and take this (TM unimportant)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-volt_battery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-volt_battery) full recharged and close the cycle by your tongue ! Overdosis
Reality enough ? Trying harder ? Lithium ? Higher Voltage ?
From real experience we will ever become wiser
Show us the audio(bio-phonons) and -video(bio-photons) movie from the beginning to the end of this experience,approbation !
https://www.google.pt/search?q=schweppes+gesicht&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=cYV1UsiIHK-R7AaBj4DIAw&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=800&bih=418 (https://www.google.pt/search?q=schweppes+gesicht&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=cYV1UsiIHK-R7AaBj4DIAw&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=800&bih=418)
f.e. Tonic water vulgo Tonikum vulgo Electrolyt or Ionizer(f.e.Red Bull ) :
accelerating or decelerating !?
Nerve(s),Bloodplasma: influence ?! Own/foreign sug-gestion ?
Sincerely
CdL
Besides the danger that comes with high voltage, and/or current (which is the same as they are variables of each other so lets call its electrical power ?).
And a little sarcasm regarding the sweppes face, I ask you, whats you're point ?
I can't get anything more of you're message.
Are you a AI scripted bot ? ???
Quote from: TinselKoala on November 02, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
Please give me a link to a transformer (trafo) that is fed with AC at one frequency and puts out AC at some other frequency.
I am still reading back in the PJK or PKJBook and chapters to support the thing about hertz^ then hertz down and volt gain.
Anyways found this also in Vladimir Utkin paper, which might be interesting, its about 'Inductance in an electrostatic field'.
I quote;
EXPLANATION The primary coil in Tesla's transformer is the
first plate of the capacitor. The secondary coil - is
the second plate of the capacitor.
When you charge a capacitor C from your source
of energy, you charge a wire of the primary coil
also. As a result, a wire of the secondary coil is
charging also (as a return from ambient space).
In order to start the process, you have to remove
charge from the primary coil (by arranging a jump
in potential in ambient space). When this is done,
a huge displacement current occurs – as a result of
that potential jump. Inductance catches this
magnetic flux, and you have energy amplification.
If this process is operating, then you generate a
magnetic field in ambient space.
COMMENT: The capacitance of the wire of the
primary coil is very low, and so it takes very little
energy to charge it, and a very short spark to
discharge it (without removing charge from the
capacitor C).
COMMENT: Notice that the spark gap
must be connected to
the ground as, in my opinion, this is a very important feature of this process,
but Mr Tesla did not show
grounding. Perhaps this needs to be a separate grounding point.
REMARK: In my opinion, this technology was also used in Gray's device and in Smith's devices and in both
cases
the spark gap was connected to the ground.
As reading in above paper it basically says it activates ambient energy.
1.) Did you ever tried a flat coil, and if so what are the notable differences from you're experience ?
2.) You're tesla coil needs to be grounded, does it matter if its wall grounded (grounded from house ?)
2.a) If so, but works on wall socket's ground, what are the differences if any ? Can't read find/anything about it actually.
3.) I readed a part about tesla, I can qoute back if you want, about the tesla coil free running. (thats my conclusion I pull it out of it) when it sparks because it loses the 'energy' of the sparks and then loads the ions from the ground.
Is this true, or false ? Becaus if its true, you should have free energy catching the sparks ?
4.) Tesla is the founder of AC current, yet he later on went over into sharply DC currents. Isn't sharp DC current 'frequency' the same as AC ?
Yes I know this is a paper about flat coil, instead of the more 'common' Tesla coil.
I added a second diagram.
There in the diagram they use strong magnets at a fixed position which has as purpose the spark goes trough the magnetic field.
5.) The magnetic field is getting energy from the ZPE energy field, meaning (and according to the paper) that it should get a energy gain in the spark ?
Anyways link of interesting paper;
'The insights of Vladimir Utkin on accessing free-energy (last updated on 10th March 2012).'
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/VladimirUtkin.pdf
TinselKoala could you tell me what country you live ?
I am from the Netherlands personally (south).
If its drivable I might come by and see you're experiments/coils if you don't mind (I would pay for it if you want.).
Sincerely.
quoting:
In order to start the process, you have to remove charge from the primary coil (by arranging a jump in ! potential in ambient space). When this is done, a huge displacement current occurs – as a result of that potential jump. Inductance catches this magnetic flux, and you have energy amplification.
displacement current = Blindstrom/Verschiebungsstrom
"a jump in potential" compared with inrush current: Faktor 10X
( examples:epo.org : Kazumi Masaki)
Motor- or Generator or transformator(trafo) -poles-quantity ?
E-Magnets on/off time duration ?
mx1000, not AI scripted bot
but a human " roboty " using human intelligence and
creativity
(included observing dialects/tongues:spoken and written) :
Dutch/Deutsch Netherlands :Niederlanden(pl.)
Generalsstaaten(pl.) or Span.Niederlande(Flamen/Wallonen) : Alba(-rn) ?
I use the me given tools
Sincerely
CdL
Sarcasm ?
Read your answer triffids warnings related ! It is your health and your life.
Bio-phonons and -photones related : Theta-waves (also Kazumi Masaki or fill google in) and complain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_rhythm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_rhythm)
The function of the hippocampal theta rhythm is not clearly understood. Green and Arduini, in the first major study of this phenomenon, noted that hippocampal theta usually occurs together with desynchronized EEG in the neocortex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocortex), and proposed that it is related to arousal. Vanderwolf and his colleagues, noting the strong relationship between theta and motor behavior, have argued that it is related to sensorimotor processing. Another school, led by John O'Keefe, have suggested that theta is part of the mechanism animals use to keep track of their location within the environment. The most popular theories, however, link the theta rhythm to mechanisms of learning and memory.(Hasselmo, 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_rhythm#refHasselmo2005b))[/size]
Cortical theta rhythms observed in human scalp EEG are a different phenomenon, with no clear relationship to the hippocampus. In human EEG studies, the term theta refers to frequency components in the 4–7 Hz range, regardless of their source. Cortical theta is observed frequently in young children. In older children and adults, it tends to appear during drowsy, meditative, or sleeping states, but not during the deepest stages of sleep. Several types of brain pathology can give rise to abnormally strong or persistent cortical theta waves[/size]
+ 2 open seals from the iglesia universalis : algebra and geometria for coordination in abstract and concret manner
manner spoken and written related:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrEvd1QhD3M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrEvd1QhD3M)
vulgar(patricial) phonetics:
Da maine(meine) ik(ich) als Maenneken(Maennchen) ainfach(einfach) nuhr(nur) naequiche(neckisch):
Piss druever !(keine direkte Uebersetzung,da vulgar ,sondern( sittengerecht :-[ )
Ueber diese Kritik bin ich erhaben ! :P ::) ;D
Die Rewengae(Revenge/Revanche/der Ausgleich) kumt(kommt) noh(noch),Vrauchaen(Frauchen) !
Freie Uebersetzung,pseudo-klerikal: Es wird kommen, der gerechte Tag ! ;)
Gedankliche Dialektik mit materieller Dialektik verbinden.
(a.Hannoveranisches /b.Hannoverisches "spitzen Stein"- Hochlaendisch mal beiseite gelegt, oder nach der Beziehungsweise "Etikette" gemaess angepasst! )
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Duden (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Duden) Holla(e)ndisch=Niederdeutsch
Quote from: lancaIV on November 02, 2013, 06:32:21 PM
triffid: the couple from AC-motor(frequency a) and generator also called AC alternator (frequency b) means also a transformer,frequency transformer !
For example for changing the european 50Hz(nominal 3000RPM) netfrequency to the U.S. 60Hz(nominal3600RPM) electricity network !
(snip)
Sincerely
CdL
This is not what is normally meant in English by the word "transformer".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer
The input and output frequencies are the same.
It does not interest the expression !
It does not interest where or from whom this has been at the first time terminated ! The functionality from the used and for the wished final issue constructed material makes the target !
In future you does not need such languages with all their faults
cause brain language is much easier : from neuro-synapses to wi-hi-fi electrodes-outer the body ! Theta-waves in and out !
Brain scan(4D geometrical Holograph/Polygraph/EEG) to C.N.C. to C.A.D. to C.I.M. !
(Hologram) Gedanken sind (Nano-)Dinge
I am behind the search for free Energy and resolving the next steps -
printing/sputting the e-generating and e-consuming machines.
Sincerely
CdL
Quote from: mx1000 on November 05, 2013, 05:55:12 AM
Besides the danger that comes with high voltage, and/or current (which is the same as they are variables of each other so lets call its electrical power ?).
Voltage and current are _not the same_. I would not call them "variables of each other". High voltage alone is not dangerous, it is high current that is dangerous. Voltage is "charge pressure", it comes from packing lots and lots of the same polarity charges together in a conductor or on a non-conducting surface. Current is the time rate of the flow of charge past your measurement point. Voltage is always relative to some reference. Voltage can exist without current flow (static electricity, charged capacitors, etc) and current cannot flow unless there is a voltage difference between the endpoints of the flow. This is why people can crawl along very high voltage power lines to clean and repair them without dying: they are at the same voltage as the lines they are repairing and there is no current flowing through their bodies to a place of lower voltage.
Yes, Power is "voltage x current" in DC systems and this is also true at the instant of measurement in AC systems. Ohm's Law is a _definition_ of units of voltage, current, resistance and power in terms of each other. This does not mean that they are "variables of each other". Voltage is the ability to push charge through a resistance.
Quote
And a little sarcasm regarding the sweppes face, I ask you, whats you're point ?
I can't get anything more of you're message.
Are you a AI scripted bot ? ???
I am still reading back in the PJK or PKJBook and chapters to support the thing about hertz^ then hertz down and volt gain.
Anyways found this also in Vladimir Utkin paper, which might be interesting, its about 'Inductance in an electrostatic field'.
I quote;
EXPLANATION
The primary coil in Tesla's transformer is the
first plate of the capacitor. The secondary coil - is
the second plate of the capacitor.
When you charge a capacitor C from your source
of energy, you charge a wire of the primary coil
also. As a result, a wire of the secondary coil is
charging also (as a return from ambient space).
In order to start the process, you have to remove
charge from the primary coil (by arranging a jump
in potential in ambient space). When this is done,
a huge displacement current occurs – as a result of
that potential jump. Inductance catches this
magnetic flux, and you have energy amplification.
If this process is operating, then you generate a
magnetic field in ambient space.
COMMENT: The capacitance of the wire of the
primary coil is very low, and so it takes very little
energy to charge it, and a very short spark to
discharge it (without removing charge from the
capacitor C).
COMMENT: Notice that the spark gap must be connected to
the ground as, in my opinion, this is a very important feature of this process, but Mr Tesla did not show
grounding. Perhaps this needs to be a separate grounding point.
REMARK: In my opinion, this technology was also used in Gray's device and in Smith's devices and in both
cases the spark gap was connected to the ground.
The above sounds like it was written by someone who is pushing his own theories, rather than those of Tesla or modern electrical science.
Of course Tesla showed connections to the Earth ground! Using the Earth ground was very important to Tesla. If you can find some _real_ information about the Wardencliffe and Colorado Springs installations you will see that much of the large apparatus was actually in a deep hole, below the ground surface, and was indeed connected to the Earth ground quite well.
The "Explanation" involving the capacitance between the primary winding and the rest of the coil is garbled and does not reflect Tesla's use of the increased capacitance between turns of a flat bifilar primary or secondary coil.
Voltage is not energy.
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As reading in above paper it basically says it activates ambient energy.
Yes, the paper says that, but that doesn't make it true.
Quote
1.) Did you ever tried a flat coil, and if so what are the notable differences from you're experience ?
Yes, I've done several comparisons between flat coils that use the Tesla bifilar winding, and those that do not. The advantage is that less external capacitance need be added to the tank circuit. In Tesla's day, high voltage capacitors were expensive and large, so reducing the need for them was significant. Nowadays it's not so important. You will see many Tesla coil builders using flat primaries, even wound from ribbon instead of wire. This is done for several reasons, mostly. The loose magnetic coupling between the primary and secondary is necessary for the secondary to "ring" properly when the spark goes out in the primary circuit. The flat winding method keeps the top of the primary well away from the secondary and prevents "flashover" or an arc between the top of the primary coil and the secondary, whose voltage may already be very high even a few centimeters above the bottom. The flat conductors (ribbons) reduce the primary coil's self-inductance.
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2.) You're tesla coil needs to be grounded, does it matter if its wall grounded (grounded from house ?)
2.a) If so, but works on wall socket's ground, what are the differences if any ? Can't read find/anything about it actually.
The house mains ground may or may not be very good to use for RF/HV. Often it is not. I would not suggest using the mains ground wire to ground your TC. It will be much better if you drive a copper rod a meter or two into damp soil and connect your TC ground to that. Don't forget that everything you have plugged into the wall outlets will be connected to your TC if you use the mains ground. There can also be high currents in the ground lead of a Tesla coil and if the connections aren't up to the job you may have a fire hazard if you use the mains ground.
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3.) I readed a part about tesla, I can qoute back if you want, about the tesla coil free running. (thats my conclusion I pull it out of it) when it sparks because it loses the 'energy' of the sparks and then loads the ions from the ground.
Is this true, or false ? Becaus if its true, you should have free energy catching the sparks ?
Well, that is what we hope.
The secondary of the coil is like a bell. When the primary spark fires it is like striking the bell with a hammer. The bell needs the hammer to strike, and then withdraw. If you leave the hammer in contact with the bell, the hammer prevents the bell from ringing as well as it would from just the one sharp strike. It is in this sense that the TC secondary is "free running", actually free ringing. (This "ring-down" of the secondary coil is what you see in any inductive tank circuit, that causes the beautiful oscilloscope traces of an exponentially decaying AC oscillation.) The ringing of the TC secondary is caused by the fast cut-off of the spark in the primary tank circuit. Faraday's law of induction tells us that the voltage rise in a secondary is proportional to the rate of change of current in the primary, so the faster the rise and fall times of the primary oscillation, the greater the induced voltage in the secondary.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/6/f/76fc3106bd720cced7f6839eee696e6f.png) and the B is of course proportional to the current I in the primary.
The hope is that when this free ringing of the secondary happens, some power or energy from "outside" the system can be drawn in or "entrained" into the secondary's power. Tesla believed that the Earth ground-ionosphere cavity was a huge capacitor (it is) and that if power were injected into this huge capacitor at one point, it could then be drawn off anywhere else on the Earth without transmission losses. This has yet to be proven, and will take physically large and expensive apparatus to test fully: Colorado Springs, Wardenclyffe.
The main point is that in a spark-gap TC system, it is easier to control the shut-off or quenching of the primary spark to make a very fast change in the magnetic field of the primary, to attain the most voltage rise in the secondary. This is also part of why a true TC must have no saturable cores: any core other than air/vacuum will inevitably slow down the dB/dt and also reduce the maximum B that can be achieved due to core saturation.
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4.) Tesla is the founder of AC current, yet he later on went over into sharply DC currents. Isn't sharp DC current 'frequency' the same as AC ?
Tesla didn't invent alternating current, but he showed how to use it to drive motors, and especially showed how to use multiple AC phases to good advantage in motors and generators. In later years, as you say, he worked more with "disruptive discharge" systems that weren't strictly _alternating current_ because the flow of current didn't reverse, it simply rose and fell, but always flowed in the same direction. Hence DC.
Frequency is frequency, the time rate of something happening. Alternating Current means that the direction of charge flow at your measurement point actually reverses direction. Direct Current means it does not reverse direction. Direct Current can "alternate" in the strength of the current, falling to zero then rising to maximum. This is not alternating current, but can be used like AC in a transformer primary, because there is a changing magnetic field produced by the changing strength of the current. It need not reverse direction to produce transformer action, it only needs to change in magnitude. A current that goes from 0 to 10 amps positive only, makes the same change in total magnetic flux as a current that goes from -5 amps to +5 amps. The first is pulsed or oscillating DC, the second is AC. It seems that many electrical engineers are also confused about this distinction between oscillating DC, and true AC, perhaps because both will work in transformers. The output of the transformer's secondary will always be AC, though, even if the primary is driven by pulsed DC.
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Yes I know this is a paper about flat coil, instead of the more 'common' Tesla coil.
I added a second diagram.
There in the diagram they use strong magnets at a fixed position which has as purpose the spark goes trough the magnetic field.
5.) The magnetic field is getting energy from the ZPE energy field, meaning (and according to the paper) that it should get a energy gain in the spark ?
The magnetic field from magnets in a TC spark gap is there to more rapidly quench the spark, for the reason I cited above. Many people seem to think that there is something magical about the spark.... but solid-state Tesla coils with no spark gap at all work just fine, and nobody, to my knowledge, has ever shown an energy gain from sparking. Sometimes electrode material can burn and this may add energy to the spark, but it isn't coming from the "ZPE energy field" whatever that is.
Tesla spent a lot of time on spark gaps and many of his patents relate to spark gaps of different designs. His rotary mercury gaps are great, but expensive and complicated to build and use. All of the efforts in spark gap designs are to try to get the fastest and cleanest possible transitions (rise and fall times) of the current in the gap. My MOT-DC coil works as well as it does because I am blowing the spark out with a blast of compressed air.
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Anyways link of interesting paper;
'The insights of Vladimir Utkin on accessing free-energy (last updated on 10th March 2012).'
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/VladimirUtkin.pdf (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/VladimirUtkin.pdf)
When Utkin is powering his home from the free energy he "accesses" with his TC systems, please let me know right away.
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TinselKoala could you tell me what country you live ?
I am from the Netherlands personally (south).
If its drivable I might come by and see you're experiments/coils if you don't mind (I would pay for it if you want.).
Sincerely.
I live in Texas, USA. It's a long wet drive from the Netherlands.....
;) (Need a cowboy hat for that smiley)
But I am sure you can find "coilers" much closer to you who can tell and show the same things as I am doing.
There is solid TC science, for example the work of the Corum brothers. There is also a lot of .... well, call it "speculative science" like that of Utkin, Dollard and others. The Corums' work can be repeated and verified and is soundly in line with physics, although it is pushing the boundaries of what we know for sure. The work of Utkin and other free-energy coilers is less so.
I do not believe that Tesla himself ever thought of "free energy". His famous quote of using the Wheelworks of Nature for our energy needs in the future is often misused. He believed that global lossless transmission of power could be achieved, and he believed that the needed power could be generated very efficiently, but he knew that it had to come from somewhere... and that there would always be a cost!
Quote from: TinselKoala on November 05, 2013, 11:17:46 AM
Voltage and current are _not the same_. I would not call them "variables of each other". High voltage alone is not dangerous, it is high current that is dangerous. Voltage is "charge pressure", it comes from packing lots and lots of the same polarity charges together in a conductor or on a non-conducting surface. Current is the time rate of the flow of charge past your measurement point. Voltage is always relative to some reference. Voltage can exist without current flow (static electricity, charged capacitors, etc) and current cannot flow unless there is a voltage difference between the endpoints of the flow. This is why people can crawl along very high voltage power lines to clean and repair them without dying: they are at the same voltage as the lines they are repairing and there is no current flowing through their bodies to a place of lower voltage.
Yes, Power is "voltage x current" in DC systems and this is also true at the instant of measurement in AC systems. Ohm's Law is a _definition_ of units of voltage, current, resistance and power in terms of each other. This does not mean that they are "variables of each other". Voltage is the ability to push charge through a resistance.
The above sounds like it was written by someone who is pushing his own theories, rather than those of Tesla or modern electrical science.
Of course Tesla showed connections to the Earth ground! Using the Earth ground was very important to Tesla. If you can find some _real_ information about the Wardencliffe and Colorado Springs installations you will see that much of the large apparatus was actually in a deep hole, below the ground surface, and was indeed connected to the Earth ground quite well.
The "Explanation" involving the capacitance between the primary winding and the rest of the coil is garbled and does not reflect Tesla's use of the increased capacitance between turns of a flat bifilar primary or secondary coil.
Voltage is not energy.
Yes, the paper says that, but that doesn't make it true.Yes, I've done several comparisons between flat coils that use the Tesla bifilar winding, and those that do not. The advantage is that less external capacitance need be added to the tank circuit. In Tesla's day, high voltage capacitors were expensive and large, so reducing the need for them was significant. Nowadays it's not so important. You will see many Tesla coil builders using flat primaries, even wound from ribbon instead of wire. This is done for several reasons, mostly. The loose magnetic coupling between the primary and secondary is necessary for the secondary to "ring" properly when the spark goes out in the primary circuit. The flat winding method keeps the top of the primary well away from the secondary and prevents "flashover" or an arc between the top of the primary coil and the secondary, whose voltage may already be very high even a few centimeters above the bottom. The flat conductors (ribbons) reduce the primary coil's self-inductance.The house mains ground may or may not be very good to use for RF/HV. Often it is not. I would not suggest using the mains ground wire to ground your TC. It will be much better if you drive a copper rod a meter or two into damp soil and connect your TC ground to that. Don't forget that everything you have plugged into the wall outlets will be connected to your TC if you use the mains ground. There can also be high currents in the ground lead of a Tesla coil and if the connections aren't up to the job you may have a fire hazard if you use the mains ground.Well, that is what we hope.
The secondary of the coil is like a bell. When the primary spark fires it is like striking the bell with a hammer. The bell needs the hammer to strike, and then withdraw. If you leave the hammer in contact with the bell, the hammer prevents the bell from ringing as well as it would from just the one sharp strike. It is in this sense that the TC secondary is "free running", actually free ringing. (This "ring-down" of the secondary coil is what you see in any inductive tank circuit, that causes the beautiful oscilloscope traces of an exponentially decaying AC oscillation.) The ringing of the TC secondary is caused by the fast cut-off of the spark in the primary tank circuit. Faraday's law of induction tells us that the voltage rise in a secondary is proportional to the rate of change of current in the primary, so the faster the rise and fall times of the primary oscillation, the greater the induced voltage in the secondary.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/6/f/76fc3106bd720cced7f6839eee696e6f.png) and the B is of course proportional to the current I in the primary.
The hope is that when this free ringing of the secondary happens, some power or energy from "outside" the system can be drawn in or "entrained" into the secondary's power. Tesla believed that the Earth ground-ionosphere cavity was a huge capacitor (it is) and that if power were injected into this huge capacitor at one point, it could then be drawn off anywhere else on the Earth without transmission losses. This has yet to be proven, and will take physically large and expensive apparatus to test fully: Colorado Springs, Wardenclyffe.
The main point is that in a spark-gap TC system, it is easier to control the shut-off or quenching of the primary spark to make a very fast change in the magnetic field of the primary, to attain the most voltage rise in the secondary. This is also part of why a true TC must have no saturable cores: any core other than air/vacuum will inevitably slow down the dB/dt and also reduce the maximum B that can be achieved due to core saturation.
Tesla didn't invent alternating current, but he showed how to use it to drive motors, and especially showed how to use multiple AC phases to good advantage in motors and generators. In later years, as you say, he worked more with "disruptive discharge" systems that weren't strictly _alternating current_ because the flow of current didn't reverse, it simply rose and fell, but always flowed in the same direction. Hence DC.
Frequency is frequency, the time rate of something happening. Alternating Current means that the direction of charge flow at your measurement point actually reverses direction. Direct Current means it does not reverse direction. Direct Current can "alternate" in the strength of the current, falling to zero then rising to maximum. This is not alternating current, but can be used like AC in a transformer primary, because there is a changing magnetic field produced by the changing strength of the current. It need not reverse direction to produce transformer action, it only needs to change in magnitude. A current that goes from 0 to 10 amps positive only, makes the same change in total magnetic flux as a current that goes from -5 amps to +5 amps. The first is pulsed or oscillating DC, the second is AC. It seems that many electrical engineers are also confused about this distinction between oscillating DC, and true AC, perhaps because both will work in transformers. The output of the transformer's secondary will always be AC, though, even if the primary is driven by pulsed DC.
The magnetic field from magnets in a TC spark gap is there to more rapidly quench the spark, for the reason I cited above. Many people seem to think that there is something magical about the spark.... but solid-state Tesla coils with no spark gap at all work just fine, and nobody, to my knowledge, has ever shown an energy gain from sparking. Sometimes electrode material can burn and this may add energy to the spark, but it isn't coming from the "ZPE energy field" whatever that is.
Tesla spent a lot of time on spark gaps and many of his patents relate to spark gaps of different designs. His rotary mercury gaps are great, but expensive and complicated to build and use. All of the efforts in spark gap designs are to try to get the fastest and cleanest possible transitions (rise and fall times) of the current in the gap. My MOT-DC coil works as well as it does because I am blowing the spark out with a blast of compressed air. When Utkin is powering his home from the free energy he "accesses" with his TC systems, please let me know right away.I live in Texas, USA. It's a long wet drive from the Netherlands.....
;) (Need a cowboy hat for that smiley)
But I am sure you can find "coilers" much closer to you who can tell and show the same things as I am doing.
There is solid TC science, for example the work of the Corum brothers. There is also a lot of .... well, call it "speculative science" like that of Utkin, Dollard and others. The Corums' work can be repeated and verified and is soundly in line with physics, although it is pushing the boundaries of what we know for sure. The work of Utkin and other free-energy coilers is less so.
I do not believe that Tesla himself ever thought of "free energy". His famous quote of using the Wheelworks of Nature for our energy needs in the future is often misused. He believed that global lossless transmission of power could be achieved, and he believed that the needed power could be generated very efficiently, but he knew that it had to come from somewhere... and that there would always be a cost!
Thank you for you're constructive feedback.
"but it isn't coming from the "ZPE energy field" whatever that is"
You never heard/readed of the ZPE energy field ? (Zero Point Energy) ?
The term zero-point refers to zero degree's kelvin which therefore means this energy does exist in the absence of all heat.
Its basically energy which is, most likely, coming from a higher dimension.
Where its actually coming from isn't really mattering.*
A 4D or more, one we cannot see nor interpret with. I assume you know what a higher dimension is/means.
Like you play a 2D game, you can't see 3D objects in that particular game.
Anyways you have mini-black holes, which some call wormholes, who exit energy of our dimension.
There also is mini-white holes which, aka opposite of black holes, enter energy in our dimension.
This combined is called the quantum foam. The quantum foam fills, or is present in, all space.
The "mini holes" are total random, and thus chaos. Physic laws learn and tell us that no system can be created from chaos.
There is a invention which can create order in total chaos (in the quantum foam).
Its findable in Quest for zero point energy or Tapping the Zero-point energy, or moray b energy device.
Everything I read about ZPE devices/theories are talking about plasmoids, oscillations, coils, magnets, non-linear systems and vortexes.
Most important of this, after all is, the quantum mechanical zero point oscillations are real.
Books regarding ZPE;
Quest For Zero Point Energy.pdf (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/doc/Quest%20For%20Zero%20Point%20Energy.pdf)
Zpower.pdf (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/ZPE.pdf)
Patens/papers regarding ZPE;
The Mead/Nachamkin patent for a device for converting Zero-Point Energy to electrical energy. (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/PatD24.pdf)
Zero-Point Energy tapping via the Rodin Torus Coil (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Rodin.pdf)
A detailed examination of the physical properties of the Zero-Point Energy field (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/P65.pdf)
Techniques for extracting energy from the Zero-Point Energy Field (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/P66.pdf)
Video of demonstrating that ZPE energy exists;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0d7o8X2-E
Other
A presentation of John's Zero-Point Energy system - highly recommended. (http://www.icehouse.net/john1/index11.html)
Most of what you think you know about ZPE is wrong, and the links you give are to things that are written by people who are also wrong. Sorry... but that is the way it is.
For some real science about the ZPE and the possibility of using this energy, please see the work of Dr. Hal Puthoff and his colleagues. These are real, peer-reviewed, published scientific papers in real, mainstream physics journals and edited volumes of monographs.
http://earthtech.org/pubs/ (http://earthtech.org/pubs/)
My opinion of John Bedini is this: at one point he was a sincere researcher, if misguided. Then he transitioned into fraud. For him to be selling his systems as "free energy" in any way is simply wrong and fraudulent, and you will find that more and more people, even his former sycophants, are realizing this. Ask him for copies of his last six month's worth of electric power bills, and then ask him why he isn't using his battery systems to run his home. You will only get insults and the "sound of crickets chirping", you will not get any real evidence of "free energy" or perpetual battery charging.
Note that as Martin Grusenick's interferometer apparatus and technique improves, the results he gets are closer and closer to "zero" or null results.
http://www.earthtech.org/publications/fusion_facts.pdf
Quote from: TinselKoala on November 05, 2013, 01:59:46 PM
Most of what you think you know about ZPE is wrong, and the links you give are to things that are written by people who are also wrong. Sorry... but that is the way it is.
For some real science about the ZPE and the possibility of using this energy, please see the work of Dr. Hal Puthoff and his colleagues. These are real, peer-reviewed, published scientific papers in real, mainstream physics journals and edited volumes of monographs.
http://earthtech.org/pubs/ (http://earthtech.org/pubs/)
My opinion of John Bedini is this: at one point he was a sincere researcher, if misguided. Then he transitioned into fraud. For him to be selling his systems as "free energy" in any way is simply wrong and fraudulent, and you will find that more and more people, even his former sycophants, are realizing this. Ask him for copies of his last six month's worth of electric power bills, and then ask him why he isn't using his battery systems to run his home. You will only get insults and the "sound of crickets chirping", you will not get any real evidence of "free energy" or perpetual battery charging.
Note that as Martin Grusenick's interferometer apparatus and technique improves, the results he gets are closer and closer to "zero" or null results.
http://www.earthtech.org/publications/fusion_facts.pdf
Would you mind telling me what is wrong ?
As for the quantum foam and mini-black holes I truly believe that's true.
And that's tested/verified as well gaining order in the chaos.
That was all I said, I only posted the external links for educational purposes.
Have you tried any 'free energy' system you're self ?
(Replication of) and if so which ones and what was you're experience with them ?
If you think John Bedini is a fraud, I am not claiming he isn't*, you think that Floyd Sweet is a fraudulent person as well Moray ?
Just asking you're opinion.
Quote from: mx1000 on November 05, 2013, 02:14:48 PM
Would you mind telling me what is wrong ?
Please read Puthoff's papers, then I'll be happy to discuss them with you. Meanwhile, Patrick Kelly, just like Jean-Louis Naudin, has so many "working" Free Energy devices in his list that one just has to wonder why he, too, is still powering his home and lab from conventional sources of energy like the national grid or the sun.
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As for the quantum foam and mini-black holes I truly believe that's true.
I believe it _could be _true, too.
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And that's tested/verified as well gaining order in the chaos.
I don't think so. Please give me a link to a "tested/verified" mini black hole.
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That was all I said, I only posted the external links for educational purposes.
I am not a newcomer to this field of research, and I prefer to get my "education" from published, peer-reviewed scientific articles and properly performed experiments. But thanks anyway. None of the links you posted are "news" to me. I've had a copy of Kelly's book in my hard drives for years.
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Have you tried any 'free energy' system you're self ?
(Replication of) and if so which ones and what was you're experience with them ?
Have you? What was your experience?
https://www.youtube.com/user/TinselKoala (https://www.youtube.com/user/TinselKoala)
I worked for two professional laboratories investigating these kinds of claims from early 1999 through January 2011. Since then I've done my own work, on a zero-budget basis with the rudimentary "garage-sale" equipment that I own.
The second lab has been in existence for many years before that, has an essentially bottomless budget for research... and they have never been able to verify any claims of FE, OU, antigravity, etc. even when guided by the actual original claimants in their work. They are still trying, though, with several active projects that I can't tell you about due to NDAs I've signed.
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If you think John Bedini is a fraud, I am not claiming he isn't*, you think that Floyd Sweet is a fraudulent person as well Moray ?
Just asking you're opinion.
My opinion: Moray, yes. Sweet, possibly. I think many researchers think at first they have something real, and become so invested in their ideas that they are immune to contrary evidence, and when their demonstrations start to fail or are unable to be verified, they may cheat... just a little.... to "stay in the game" as it were. Because after all, they know they are right, so a little cheating to make things clear to the unwashed masses is OK. Isn't it?
mx1000: read about "superconduction" !
Which kind of material is used ?
What and how is the "permanent superconduction" mutating work process ?
Boltzmann "black body" definition ? Maximum potential to Minimum potential -law !
up to the Entropie point
What means "metal" ? metal translated by classical means :glanze/brill
never elementar defined !
What is water ? An elementary half-metal amalgam !
Do you understand what kind of barriers has to be broken to go back and then go
forward to the start point to do the steps forward ?
How many different energy states do you know ?
Define yourself at first "energy" and all the energy states.
Seconds define "elements"(Chemie-Analyse Beschaffenheit,Eigenschaft,Wirkung)
mono-elementar/bi-elementar/polyelementar
The conditiong: heat/cold(up to 0°Kelvin= zero=0 movement point)
/pressure:ambiental up to total E-Vacuo-ation /velocity:
monopolar/bi-polar/polypolar.
Searching is easy but to take time to study and understand the given information give you the opportunity to have for the next decades something to do-
12 hours per day ,365,25 days !In several different languages !
Be happy, for the next decades no unemployment,but also no paid by monetary units but paid with knowledge and wisdom and sensitivity !
You will learn to read between the lines .
Sincerely
CdL
Hi MX1000, Here is a research paper written by the Corum brothers on the Tesla coil, it is very good, I suggest read it a few times during the period you build your transformer.
http://www.teslatechnologyresearch.com/corum/
And here is a intro to transformer basics. Very good also, this will help explain the differences in the magnetic field properties and so forth, ect. Basic induction in transformers.
http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr.htm
I think it's important to understand that many people push theories for many reasons, only a few are unbiased.
Personally I do not take anything Utkin or any other theorist just says, to the best of my knowledge he cannot back up what he says and it can and has been shown that his theories are misleading, at least that is my opinion. Where are his demonstrations and measured over C.O.P. 1.0 devices ?
There are many claims made by many different people and nary a scrap of evidence to back it up.
Alternating current is a natural thing, Tesla invented ways to induce it and apply it. Again just my opinion.
Cheers
Farmhand,
DC= laminar
pulsed DC= ! DC/AC/DC/..... state controle ! inertia-stop and inertia-go moments
AC= turbulent
Acceptable ?
Sincerely
CdL
Quote from: Farmhand on November 05, 2013, 04:48:26 PM
Hi MX1000, Here is a research paper written by the Corum brothers on the Tesla coil, it is very good, I suggest read it a few times during the period you build your transformer.
http://www.teslatechnologyresearch.com/corum/
And here is a intro to transformer basics. Very good also, this will help explain the differences in the magnetic field properties and so forth, ect. Basic induction in transformers.
http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr.htm
I think it's important to understand that many people push theories for many reasons, only a few are unbiased.
Personally I do not take anything Utkin or any other theorist just says, to the best of my knowledge he cannot back up what he says and it can and has been shown that his theories are misleading, at least that is my opinion. Where are his demonstrations and measured over C.O.P. 1.0 devices ?
There are many claims made by many different people and nary a scrap of evidence to back it up.
Alternating current is a natural thing, Tesla invented ways to induce it and apply it. Again just my opinion.
Cheers
Thank you for you're response, a new face in my topic :).
I read the sites tomorrow you gave.
You built a Tesla Coil you're self ?
Hi MX100, Yes I have build a few, I've built small 12 volt mosfet switched continuous wave transformers, receivers as well, and I have a spark gap TC as well, it will be getting a small make over soon, increased power and lower frequency.
Here's a few clips. Keep in mind the Spark gap coil is a three coil design and has only 38 turns on the secondary and 180 turns on the extra, about, I don't remember exactly,
there is only one primary turn, two pipes in parallel, and this is a high frequency spark gap coil, most spark gap coils are much lower frequency, mine is 750 Khz.. This coil is tuned to about light speed "apparent" propagation. Transformation ratio alone with 6000 volts input and considering the 1:220 transformation rate should get me 1.3 million volts potentially, and that is without resonant effects considered, but it leaks off well before that happens. The secondary and extra coils are made from 1 mm magnet wire so the entire oscillating section of the coil has only a few ohms resistance, the coil is medium to high "Q" in my opinion.
I am much less technical than TK is, I rely a lot on feel, but math is very important, if i could do the math better I could get better results with less effort.
Sparks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nkJtrKCdFg
Lights, bit drawn out, rough video as mine are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y1U1PSmAjQ
Spark gap Morse transmitter. That message was received up at the house clearly "breaking" into the Am radio broadcast on a regular portable radio receiver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeDaA7zhD4w
I had a case where a friend reported that my older 12 volt transformer was interfering with his car radio from about 5 kilometers out. It was only using about 6 watts of power but out of tune, the continuous wave not tuned in at that particular time, different experiment. It affected his radio right up to my door and stopped when I turned off the transformer.
With a clean continuous sine wave only one frequency is affected. Noisy wave forms affect a lot of stuff. Any switch mode stuff does a similar thing, HF transients I think.
So we can imagine what a high power spark gap coil does to the radios. hehehehe
Solid state low voltage. I have quite a few video's investigating the continuous wave transmission effects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJd8TNC75AI
Other solid state test.
Long
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV_u9xy73bU
Short
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEX9MKBhVZk
Basically I have done several hundred specific informal experiments with resonance in a few applications.
Cheers
Quote from: Farmhand on November 06, 2013, 03:55:04 AM
Hi MX100, Yes I have build a few, I've built small 12 volt mosfet switched continuous wave transformers, receivers as well, and I have a spark gap TC as well, it will be getting a small make over soon, increased power and lower frequency.
Here's a few clips. Keep in mind the Spark gap coil is a three coil design and has only 38 turns on the secondary and 180 turns on the extra, about, I don't remember exactly,
there is only one primary turn, two pipes in parallel, and this is a high frequency spark gap coil, most spark gap coils are much lower frequency, mine is 750 Khz.. This coil is tuned to about light speed "apparent" propagation. Transformation ratio alone with 6000 volts input and considering the 1:220 transformation rate should get me 1.3 million volts potentially, and that is without resonant effects considered, but it leaks off well before that happens. The secondary and extra coils are made from 1 mm magnet wire so the entire oscillating section of the coil has only a few ohms resistance, the coil is medium to high "Q" in my opinion.
I am much less technical than TK is, I rely a lot on feel, but math is very important, if i could do the math better I could get better results with less effort.
Sparks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nkJtrKCdFg
Lights, bit drawn out, rough video as mine are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y1U1PSmAjQ
Spark gap Morse transmitter. That message was received up at the house clearly "breaking" into the Am radio broadcast on a regular portable radio receiver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeDaA7zhD4w
I had a case where a friend reported that my older 12 volt transformer was interfering with his car radio from about 5 kilometers out. It was only using about 6 watts of power but out of tune, the continuous wave not tuned in at that particular time, different experiment. It affected his radio right up to my door and stopped when I turned off the transformer.
With a clean continuous sine wave only one frequency is affected. Noisy wave forms affect a lot of stuff. Any switch mode stuff does a similar thing, HF transients I think.
So we can imagine what a high power spark gap coil does to the radios. hehehehe
Solid state low voltage. I have quite a few video's investigating the continuous wave transmission effects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJd8TNC75AI
Other solid state test.
Long
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV_u9xy73bU
Short
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEX9MKBhVZk
Basically I have done several hundred specific informal experiments with resonance in a few applications.
Cheers
Looking awesome !
Have you ever heard/readed about putting voltage in coil, which speeds up the hertz.
When you bring down the hertz you get more volt out then in ?
1.) Also I wondered, as there is no clear answer around, when you transmit and receive energy with the Tesla Coil (hot current) do you receive hot current, or mixed current or cold current ?
2.) Did you ever tried/thought converting 1 coil with Tesla's arial system (static energy) ?
3.) Perhaps once had a occurrence of a 'ball of lighting' going trough the room for X second(s) ?
4.) Are you perhaps familiar with plasmoid which can be created with very high voltage's ?
5.) Forum wise question, there isn't a function to see which topics are started by a user unlike more common forums ?
Is it disabled or module not added because its SMF ?
I personally haven't but I read a lot of it.
Sincerely
Quote from: mx1000 on November 06, 2013, 05:43:58 AM
Looking awesome !
Have you ever heard/readed about putting voltage in coil, which speeds up the hertz.
When you bring down the hertz you get more volt out then in ?
1.) Also I wondered, as there is no clear answer around, when you transmit and receive energy with the Tesla Coil (hot current) do you receive hot current, or mixed current or cold current ?
2.) Did you ever tried/thought converting 1 coil with Tesla's arial system (static energy) ?
3.) Perhaps once had a occurrence of a 'ball of lighting' going trough the room for X second(s) ?
4.) Are you perhaps familiar with plasmoid which can be created with very high voltage's ?
5.) Forum wise question, there isn't a function to see which topics are started by a user unlike more common forums ?
Is it disabled or module not added because its SMF ?
I personally haven't but I read a lot of it.
Sincerely
'Bump' and could you please respond my questions or maybe partially of them ?
Honestly I am unable to answer most of those questions, I don't subscribe to "hot" and "cold" current, there is conduction current (like through and/or around wires) and there is
displacement current like through the plates of a capacitor.
I do get more voltage from a receiver coil when doing transmissions yes, but never more power and never more energy. I can use a Tesla coil to receive environmental energy for free yes.
I can use one to listen to the radio without any local power source and I can use one like a detector connected to the ground with the output coil scoped and see the disturbances created by an approaching storm or other sources.
For me a Tesla coil is a piece of experimental equipment. They can be used for many things.
I think Utkin is full of it and Don Smith was a fake I also think Tariel is a faker.
A Tesla transformer can only transform or utilize energy that already exists. I don't discount that maybe a transformer could maybe collect environmental energy during a transmission and increase the efficiency, maybe from a cell phone tower, radio transmission source or any other source that is compatible. I am yet to see any proof of over 100% efficiency. But I do see a lot of misunderstandings and miss quotes of Tesla, as well as people making claims for Tesla that he did not make, out of context quoting is rampant.
My advice is spend a year or two studying resonance and build some coils, operate them and you will see for yourself, it's not something that can be explained in a post.
Start with the basics, build two identical air core resonant transformers and tune them to each other and then go from there. Beat frequencies can be created which is the difference between the frequency of two coupled transformers, a "beat" frequency wave form can have a higher amplitude than either of the parent waves but it is simply an addition kind of thing.
I guess my point is there is not one person who will show openly a significant amount more energy out than is provided by the operator, video's cannot be believed unless the device is independently verified.
I can get free energy from a Tesla transformer (resonant air core transformer) but only what is around and able to be utilized.
Cheers
Quote from: Farmhand on November 15, 2013, 08:43:49 AM
Honestly I am unable to answer most of those questions, I don't subscribe to "hot" and "cold" current, there is conduction current (like through and/or around wires) and there is
displacement current like through the plates of a capacitor.
I do get more voltage from a receiver coil when doing transmissions yes, but never more power and never more energy. I can use a Tesla coil to receive environmental energy for free yes.
I can use one to listen to the radio without any local power source and I can use one like a detector connected to the ground with the output coil scoped and see the disturbances created by an approaching storm or other sources.
For me a Tesla coil is a piece of experimental equipment. They can be used for many things.
I think Utkin is full of it and Don Smith was a fake I also think Tariel is a faker.
A Tesla transformer can only transform or utilize energy that already exists. I don't discount that maybe a transformer could maybe collect environmental energy during a transmission and increase the efficiency, maybe from a cell phone tower, radio transmission source or any other source that is compatible. I am yet to see any proof of over 100% efficiency. But I do see a lot of misunderstandings and miss quotes of Tesla, as well as people making claims for Tesla that he did not make, out of context quoting is rampant.
My advice is spend a year or two studying resonance and build some coils, operate them and you will see for yourself, it's not something that can be explained in a post.
Start with the basics, build two identical air core resonant transformers and tune them to each other and then go from there. Beat frequencies can be created which is the difference between the frequency of two coupled transformers, a "beat" frequency wave form can have a higher amplitude than either of the parent waves but it is simply an addition kind of thing.
I guess my point is there is not one person who will show openly a significant amount more energy out than is provided by the operator, video's cannot be believed unless the device is independently verified.
I can get free energy from a Tesla transformer (resonant air core transformer) but only what is around and able to be utilized.
Cheers
I going for a NST this week, and I wonder since most NST are simply solid state and thus not adjustable.
1.) If I put a control unit INFRONT of the NST (to adjust the current that goes towards the NST) will I be able to tune my NST voltage's ? I think yes, but want to ask for sure.
2.) Also you stated you use magnet wire, but magnet wire is same as normal wire you get out of a 220V cable instead of the thick plastic it comes with a very thin layer insulation right ?
3.) In a Tesla coil, u can't have enough capacitors ? Or you need to calculate it as it may overcharge ?
4.) Have you, or anyone here, noticed any difference between a normal winded secondary coil, and a bifilar secondary coil ?
If so what are the differences ?
5.) I never readed anything really about tesla pancake coils in Tesla Coils, why is that ? (Yes I assume that they are incompitable of not effective for what they needed for, but again why ?).
6.) What type of coil you used ? Pvc or acrylic ?
Also TinselKoala sended you a PM about a yt vid of you, could you please respond or make you're findings public here ?
Sincerely all.
So, I am building a (huge) Tesla coil
I have calculated the desired frequency to be ~492kHz
(491.78kHz)
does anyone know of a simple oscillator that can be tuned to this?
Also, is a spark gap "necessary"?
Or is this simply remnants of an old-world convenience?
I.e.: an modern a/c oscillator by itself could run the primary
Ok, I answered the spark gap question
No, we don't need a spark gap.
That's just an old way of controlling frequency
There are many Tesla coils that operate straight
from a signal generator.
So, next issue:
Every reference I have found shows coils being wound with
only ONE wire!!!!!! I don't understand this.
Tesla Clearly wrote about why we should construct this device
using Bifilar coils.... for both primary AND secondary!!
So, this is what I am doing.
My next question is: how to wire it up?
My assumption is to connect the top most wire to the top load
and bring the bottom of that winding back up to the top of the 2nd winding.
(should the return lead be positioned away from the coil?)
There is little reference to people making bifilar secondaries.
Any help here would be great.
Also, since the field is doubled, how does this change the inductance equation?
Which, in turn, changes the SRF of the coil....
Any of you Tesla Coil owners using a Bifilar secondary?
BTW:
If enough people owned Tesla coils, and we standardized some set of frequencies
We can build our own wireless power grid.
Stationary And portable receivers
Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 13, 2019, 12:19:13 PM
Ok, I answered the spark gap question
No, we don't need a spark gap.
That's just an old way of controlling frequency What
;D then take the suppressors out of your vacuum cleaner and see what it does to your tv sound and video then try your radio! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 13, 2019, 12:19:13 PM
There are many Tesla coils that operate straight from a signal generator.
that's not a real Tesla coil ass your using the transistor to turn the coil on and off like a sine wave a spark gap or interrupter would pulse it and jam everyone's radio reception in close proximity :o ;D ;D
Fun ainit !
Raymondo
Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 11, 2019, 02:43:16 AM
So, I am building a (huge) Tesla coil
I have calculated the desired frequency to be ~492kHz
(491.78kHz)
What is so special about that frequency?
Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 11, 2019, 02:43:16 AM
does anyone know of a simple oscillator that can be tuned to this?
use a crystal and devide it down as close as you can to that frequency ie divide by 2 then use a shift register and knock off bits easy but you will have to use logic a micro will just keep falling over.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 11, 2019, 02:43:16 AM
Also, is a spark gap "necessary"?
Or is this simply remnants of an old-world convenience?
well if you don't use a spark gap how do you charge a cap and then dump iy across the secondary coil
you could use MOSFETS but they are expensive if you blow them up IGBT#s have losses across them at lovw voltage like bipolar transistors and charge time will change coil frequency and resonance.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 11, 2019, 02:43:16 AM
I.e.: an modern a/c oscillator by itself could run the primary
Thank you Ray
There's nothing special about that freq., it was just what I had calculated originally
But it turns out my equation was for a monofilar coil of the same length.
So my actual frequency will be different.
I'll probably end up scoping the coil with a signal generator to find the SRF
Tesla gave us the math, I remember reading it but I'm not up to searching
through all the patents and papers again.
so, with the spark gap tank circuit you are basically using pulsed A/C?
radiation really isn't my main concern, this coil should be in the ultrasonic range.
besides a spark in open air
radiates all types of light, sound, xrays
I am kind of curious the difference though,
as many of the plug and play coils you see are using logic timers or a transistor switch circuit.
I haven't really looked into what the circuits are doing. I assumed they just were a/c at the SRF.
V/I designed for the desired output. But I could be wrong. They may be pulsing it similarly.
Here she is
Took about 7 hours of hand winding each turn
total wire length: 2000 ft (1000/1000 bifilar)
Coil height: 30 inches
Coil diameter: 3.5 inches
Total # of turns: 2000 (1000/1000 bifilar)
Choosing the Toroid materials has been the most difficult part so far....
(admittedly I have yet to build the driver)
Engineering the coils was just some boring math
Coiling it was a B.....
But there are so many options for a Toroid
And none of them are what I want....
So.... of the options, I chose to go with the AC flex-duct
As it has great success
Going back over Tesla's mandates,
I have gone with a 4" flex tube, extended to a 10,5" Toroid.
I'll mount it later tonight (once I engineer a mount)
and upload a photo
My goal is to build a batter operated driver for this thing
So it's completely portable.
Tesla Coil car alarm? Fun day at the park? Demonstration piece?