Here's a picture of a Gorlov in line water pipe helical hydrofoil turbine. Two unique and fascinating aspects of this turbine blade are that it spins faster then the water flow and it spins in the same direction if the water flow's reversed:
The stated advantage by "Lucid Power" of the Gorlov helical hydrofoil turbine is that: "It has virtually no impact on water flow".
Below that, is a picture of the Harman vortical flow rotor. The flow rotor can move hundreds of tons of water for a few watts of input through Vortex power:
Imagine what these two blades could do combined to assist one another inside a spherical community water tank; The vertical powered vortex rotor at the base and the helical hydrofoil generating blades clustered around the sides!
Here's a good video by Jay Harman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBHxl7uULqg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBHxl7uULqg)
Here's another video from Lucid Power:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDKTXvreGo8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDKTXvreGo8)
Here's a PDF from Lucid. Take special note of the "how it works section":
http://www.lucidenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ProductInfo_Oct2012.pdf (http://www.lucidenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ProductInfo_Oct2012.pdf)
Remember: "It has virtually no impact on water flow"!
Here's a neat experiment from JLN:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vtxbottle.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vtxbottle.htm)
And another:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vtxsph.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vtxsph.htm)
Notice how the fluid clings to the container in JLN'S Coanda effect experiment below:
The Gorlov helical turbine blade is a "HYDROFOIL". Shaped like an airplane wing, the water clings to the surface, and pushes the blade from behind, accelerating it!
Imagine a clear enclosed water filled sphere with a vortical rotor at the base with a magnet attached, allowing it to be powered by an external motor. Eight helical hydrofoil turbine blades of neutral buoyancy could spin around inside the circulating vortex with magnetized blades, around a thin hollow tube octagonal frame, surrounded by an electric output toroid coil wrapped around the outside of the sphere. The opposite field of the surrounding toroid output coil would keep the turbine blades away fom the sphere sides. Four small struts seated in grommets on the inside of the sphere could keep the turbine frame anchored. A 3-D printer could manufacture the different blades, the helical output blades could be cast in ferrite and magnetized artificially. A clear sphere miniature model might self loop and provide artful power for a bed stand! It might need a tiny photovoltaic panel to collect power from the LED's and maybe a supercapacitor and last but not least perhaps a small hidden battery? A Searl class kinetic sculpture!
A small temperature differential would make this unit kick over like Victor Shauberger's repulsine. Just spraying water over the top of a water tower might make the difference on a hot day. Victor spun his vortex rotor until it grew red hot, and generated a tiny tornado inside his Coanda bell. JLN has more on this on his web site. Here's a link to his web site map:
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=7894721&map=0&page=0&ics=1 (http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=7894721&map=0&page=0&ics=1)
What does "It has virtually no impact on water flow" mean? Microscopic changes in pressure or velocity of the fluid?
@Gabriele,
"Velocity of the water flow"! Lucid claims that these kinds of Gorlov turbines can be placed in series throughout the entire length of the water pipe, extending for miles, and the velocity of the water flow at the end will equal the velocity at the start. This is while drawing off their full power potential in the megawatt range! This in line water pipe turbine should solve all the world's energy needs, except in the desert. I believe there's a chance my idea may be overunity for those arid regions.
We can draw a comparison between this type of turbine blade and the propellor car that can travel faster into the wind then the wind velocity. The turbine actually speeds up faster then the water flow! This allows the power company to run a generator while keeping the water velocity unchanged. This is due to what "Lucid" calls it's "Lift" technology. The hydrofoil would supply "Lift" to a wing surface if it was on a horizontal plane. The Gorlov takes the helical configuration and combines it with the hydofoil, creating a three dimensional form that imparts forward driving force to the blades. This is very important to understand. A 3-D printer could manufacture this turbine blade. How cool would it be to produce a neodymium version!
Quote from: synchro1 on November 14, 2013, 09:01:24 PM
Imagine a clear enclosed water filled sphere with a vortical rotor at the base with a magnet attached, allowing it to be powered by an external motor. Eight helical hydrofoil turbine blades of neutral buoyancy could spin around inside the circulating vortex with blades, around a thin hollow tube octagonal frame, surrounded by an electric output toroid coil wrapped around the outside of the sphere. The opposite field of the surrounding toroid output coil would keep the turbine blades away fom the sphere sides. Four small struts seated in grommets on the inside of the sphere could keep the turbine frame anchored also. A 3-D printer could manufacture the different blades, the helical output blades could be cast in ferrite and magnetized artificially. A clear sphere miniature model might self loop and provide artful power for a bed stand! It might need a tiny photovoltaic panel to collect power from the LED's and maybe a supercapacitor and last but not least perhaps a small hidden battery? A Searl class kinetic sculpture!
A small temperature differential would make this unit kick over like Victor Shauberger's repulsine. Just spraying water over the top of a water tower might make the difference on a hot day. Victor spun his vortex rotor until it grew red hot, and generated a tiny tornado inside his Coanda bell. JLN has more on this on his web site. Here's a link to his web site map:
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=7894721&map=0&page=0&ics=1 (http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=7894721&map=0&page=0&ics=1)
This reposting was in error. I can't figure out how to remove it.
Here's the highest state of the art in 3-D printing of neodymium:
Patent Family Members application Based on 3d printing technology of neodymium iron boron method for preparing (http://ip.com/pat/CN103170628A)(26-Jun-2013)
Applicants: JIN KE MAGNETICS CO LTD
This patent would allow us to 3-D print Gorlov turbine blades from neodymium. Printing a few feet of 1" pipe with lips for the coils, and fasteners for the blades would give us on demand water heaters that generated their own power and delivered the same pressure!
The current state of the art would allow us to 3-D print the helical hydrofoil frame in plastic with slots for the neodymiums, and print wax forms for the neo magnet injection molds, then assemble it by pressing in the neomagnet inserts. It can be N-S-N-S for A.C. I am trying to contact Alex Gorlov right now for patent rights, but it's stlll O.K. for experimenters to manufacture units for personal use.
Hello,
here we see some physical facts about this turbine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHn6JHPSlLI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHn6JHPSlLI)
Regards
Kator01
Kator01,
Thank you. The audio was deleted from the video over copyright issues. Nevertheless, "Lucid" maintains that a space is required between the serial turbine blades in order for the flow to return to normal. The factor is 3.5 times the turbine diameter.
"Multiple LucidPipe units can be rapidly
and easily installed into a single pipeline
for a system that can produce more than a
megawatt of electricity.
LucidPipe extracts very little head pressure
per turbine, just 1–6 PSI (1-4 meters). This
allows the modular LucidPipe system to be
placed in series, while allowing for uninter-
rupted water flow".
Hi all,
thanks for the started discussion. The mentioned technologies are very interesting. My questiones. It is not completely clear how to gain energy from them (especially from the Harman design). An other question for me is: the water has a disadvantage: it is heavy. Such a setup must be very large.
@AlenA,
Have you ever seen a "Lava lamp" from the sixties? The light bulb sets globs of fluid into a continuous motion inside a glass fixture. Victor Shauberger designed a vessel that was egg shaped. A small temperature differential sets the fluid inside into a similar kind of motion, as the heated pointed end facing down sends the fluid upward then along the expanded roof where the heat's disipated and the cooler liquid then settles once again towards the bottom. A votical rotor at the base vigorously stimulates the motion with the addition of a small amount of electrical input. The heat from the vortical rotor motor would help percolate the fluid. I wonder if this kind of artificial fluid invigoration can generate sufficient power to drive itself coupled with very low resistance helical hydrofoil turbine blades?
hi synchro1,
yes I know the lava lamp. They were very famous years ago. You explained the principle in your last message. But I am not sure if such a device could bring the wished result.