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Title: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: policiarj2 on March 20, 2014, 02:41:43 PM
Hi I m gonna talk today about one of the most important free energy device called "Magnetromapparata" or "the Hans Coler device", it is a kind free energy device which doesn´t require any moving parts, that is fantastic :) and also has a great potential to get 70 watts, basically this device converts the magnetic field of a magnet in usable energy.

Other fantastic thing of this device is that is easy to build, I encourage to build this device and tell us your experience, in fact, I m gonna do that, I will start making just one magnet wrapped in a coil and trying to get some interesting effect.

I put you photos of a replica of the Hans Coler device:
More info about the construction (I didn't find it in English language):
http://arge-bindu.at/der-coler-konverter/
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: MarkE on March 20, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
After WWII the British army set Coler up in a lab with equipment and supplies so that he could reproduce his machines.  He was unable to make a working machine.  How about you?  How much energy can you extract from your reproduction in an hour?
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: policiarj2 on March 21, 2014, 04:43:24 AM
Well, we have to build one, that´s the better way to verify it, like I said it was a replica that I found on internet. Thank you Superhero to give us a translation.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: MarkE on March 21, 2014, 04:58:53 AM
An organization that called itself Magnetic Power Incorporated claimed that they were working on the Coler devices for many years.  They never succeeded in generating any output.  Put this into Google:  +"magnetic power inc" +Coler
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: gauschor on March 21, 2014, 05:15:05 AM
The problem with the Coler device was always that it had to be "tuned" in order to get it running. The apparatus itself provides no power without the tuning. No one achieved the tuning right except Coler. Even though Coler seemed to have a "feeling" for it, the "tuning" could take from a few minutes to 2 hours. Yes, your read right - up to 2 hours. And sometimes it didn't work at all, and it was delayed to the next day.

This is what makes the device difficult, not the coil and magnet setups themselves. From what I've read he somehow achieved to pulse the magnet in a way, that the magnet itself gave a huge induction effect, although it was standing still. An inventor in America (don't recall the name) achieved the same - out of pure luck in a different setup, but also a magnet was the source of power. But he could never replicate this effect on a second device, even though he tried for years. This is what makes it difficult.

There is secret hotspot in magnets obviously, but it's not easy to catch.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: MarkE on March 21, 2014, 05:19:58 AM
Quote from: gauschor on March 21, 2014, 05:15:05 AM
The problem with the Coler device was always that it had to be "tuned" in order to get it running. The apparatus itself provides no power without the tuning. No one achieved the tuning right except Coler. Even though Coler seemed to have a "feeling" for it, the "tuning" could take from a few minutes to 2 hours. Yes, your read right - up to 2 hours. And sometimes it didn't work at all, and it was delayed to the next day.

This is what makes the device difficult, not the coil and magnet setups themselves. In my opinion he someone achieved to pulse the magnet, so the magnet itself gave a huge induction effect, although it was standing still. An inventor in America (don't recall the name though) achieved the same - out of pure luck in a different setup, but also a magnet was the source of power. But he could never replicate this effect on a second device, even though he tried for years. This is what makes it difficult.

There is secret hotspot in magnets obviously, but it's not easy to catch.
The list of people who couldn't tune it includes Coler.  He was unable to show power output despite the considerable support provided by the British army.   Pursue whatever intrigues you.  Given that the inventor himself couldn't make it work I wouldn't set my expectations very high.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: gauschor on March 21, 2014, 05:39:52 AM
He actually got it to run multiple times, as there were multiple demonstrations, otherwise the British Army would not have given him attention in first place. But it is also true, that he often couldn't get it to run either. Someone who tries to replicate this device should know about the catch, that's all I'm hinting.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: TechStuf on March 21, 2014, 05:44:58 AM
The concept of "free energy" is grand and all, but where could it take us, really?  I mean, other than where we've collectively gone before. 

Riding upon the shiny paraffin coated wings of technological discovery....no matter where we go, there WE are.

And there's the quintessential 'rub'.  NASA is beginning to get it....

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists

But it is arguably too late for one or many to begin to 'get it'.  And not just because it's not enough to 'get it'.  One must also 'get over it'.  And man has a sordid, up and down history of proving his gross difficulties with 'getting over it'.  No matter the 'it' may be.

There are myriad ways of improving the scales of efficiency of virtually every known mode of power generation, yet we seem unable of reliably employing the 1 tried and true method of getting over our very selves.

Until then,  all is the same, and only the titillating toys have changed.

It is said that "one must first BE the change they wish to see in the world".  I know of very few Who actually pulled it off.  And wouldn't you know it, they did just that.

Changed the world, I mean.

Blessings all.


THE Free Energy is already inside you.  The instructions for it's release and multiplication so carefully inscribed upon the hearts of each and every one of us.

Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: policiarj2 on March 21, 2014, 07:12:29 AM
when I put this +"magnetic power inc" +Coler on google the first page I find is this:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hans_Coler_Magnetic_Power_Apparatus

It says that Hans Coler built a 70 Watt prototype and later a 5 kilowatt devices was built which allegedly powered Coler's house and laboratory for three years.

And below nobody knows about a successfully replication of this technology, it has to be more difficult that it seems a simple sight. I think the device only can works with a specific frequency depending maybe with strength of the magnets.

I found also some interesting pages :
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/coler/index.htm (http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/coler/index.htm)

The next page talks about ZPE-magnetic flux accelerator which is quite interesting, it appears in several free energy devices:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpvb.pavlabor.net%2FSE%2FFreeEnergy_27.01.08%2F%D0%A1%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%2FEnergy%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80%2Fmagnetbeschleuniger.htm&sandbox=1 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpvb.pavlabor.net%2FSE%2FFreeEnergy_27.01.08%2F%D0%A1%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%2FEnergy%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80%2Fmagnetbeschleuniger.htm&sandbox=1)
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: TechStuf on March 21, 2014, 06:58:47 PM


Thanks for the link edit PJ2
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: MarkSnoswell on March 22, 2014, 08:00:44 PM
You can read more about the Coler documents we uncovered here...

The Inventions of Willi von Unruh and Hans Coler.
http://chavascience.com/papers/the-coler-devices

As you can see -- it appears that the invention was Willi von Unruh's and that Coler continued Willi's work.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: MarkE on March 22, 2014, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: MarkSnoswell on March 22, 2014, 08:00:44 PM
You can read more about the Coler documents we uncovered here...

The Inventions of Willi von Unruh and Hans Coler.
http://chavascience.com/papers/the-coler-devices

As you can see -- it appears that the invention was Willi von Unruh's and that Coler continued Willi's work.
And despite many years of your pal Mark Goldes claiming to have unlocked the supposed secrets, no one at either MPI or the successor Chava Energy has made a Coler device work.  the seventy year old myth remains a myth.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: policiarj2 on March 25, 2014, 08:57:24 AM
--I think we can understand the Hans Coler device just if we understand what does the ZPE-flux accelerator, in the link that I put before appear a explication:

When two coils are connected symmetrically in opposite directions against each other, this results in a non-inductive coil.

When a current flows through this, it generates a fine Helion 1 field which shields the coil from the space flow ether. In a densely filled space with magnetic lines can not penetrate an external field. It is designated as a shield. The highest resulting field is also called ZPE. Only this is needed. The coils are connected together as a non-inductively, the escape is not annoying, and electromagnetic flux affecting, and the pulse coils affected.


--I dont understand it, when you put two opposite forces always the forces are cancelled, What you can get from it?, resonance? well I could find even other great information:

Excitation
1 The oscillators can be alternately pulse each other at least as two, or multiple group.
2 The oscillators are pulsed by a moving permanent magnet (rotating). (Motor-generator)
The oscillator may only induces short to generate a magnetic field and an output power.
Then the oscillators must contact can oscillate freely to generate an accelerated ZPE flux.
All power generators require excitation by radiation, which is mostly produced by radon doped iron, or by fast-moving permanent magnet.

When the oscillator is energized, increasing the amplitude and the magnets are moved slightly (up to 9mm) to resonance offset, and the best focus ZPE-wave apart. At maximum amplitude of the switch is opened.
If the generator does not start, or runs poorly, a small DC voltage should be switched serially in both circuits. The Spannungeinspeisestelle must be connected in parallel with a capacitor at 330 uF.
Left: A version with only a magnetic bar. The two halves of the winding are drawn only to illustrate the connections of the magnetic core is not of a continuous winding, but rather as a cut. The number of turns must not be too high.
Right: jump start. Pulse supply with a battery a transformer to the non-inductive coil. The diode is poled with the pole changing according to the flow of the connected solenoid, and directs the pulses equal.

More info here:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freie-energy.de%2Fhtml%2Farchiv.htm&sandbox=1
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: MarkE on March 25, 2014, 01:10:50 PM
Filed strength is proportional to n*I.  If your goal is to obtain zero or near zero B by cancellation carrying a single current, then you have to match n in each direction.  Look up Aryton-Perry.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: policiarj2 on March 25, 2014, 02:38:43 PM
That is not the way in fact, the device oh Hans Coler does not use bi-filiar coils (Aryton-Perry), it uses two opposite coils to produce resonance:

Principle experiment of a ZPE-flux accelerator.
A copper coil which is crossed through the core. As a core can be used instead of iron and another metal, or a plasma stream.
The accelerated ZPE magnetic flux is directed to the right in the right-hand rule and the carrying core.

ZPE magnetic flux acceleration at current-carrying coil (iron core) = 100%
ZPE magnetic flux acceleration after 20 millisec. Cut-off = 93%.
When a pulsed coil flows through the magnetic field an accelerated decreases its power consumption.
Thus, the two opposed coils each magnetized with less power consumption.

Oscillator with two acceleration coils
Also referred to as non-inductive coil or Biström oscillator.
The two coils oscillators must be identical and equally strong.
You are connected as a bridge phases twisted together.
The magnetic cores or tube amplifiers operate as ZPE flux accelerator with pulsating direct current, not alternating current. Therefore, at least two separate magnetic flux accelerators are needed for a self-oscillating current generator, the pulses alternately as a bridge.

When a magnetic flux flows in parallel to an electrical conductor, the speed is multiplied.
When a magnetic flux flows in parallel to an electrical conductor, its electrons are loaded (doped), and generated from the particles present as Helion 1 and 2, a centrifugally accelerated magnetic (Protons) flow. Wherein the magnetic flux is concentrated and accelerated.
It arises in the conductor due to the excess magnetic Protons flow. This flow differs due to lack of space from the middle to both ends, moves according to the (right-hand rule) as a spiral around the conductor and radiates.
The two coils with a capacitor to vibrate at its natural resonance.
The two coils can be wound on a core side by side.
See cyclone generator:
The poling direction of the magnetic field is unimportant, because the field is flowing slowly.
The field from the next smaller particles (deutron) circulates inside as giving power.
The Double ball-and-egg cascade of crop circles.
The cascade is doubly symmetric, because it resonates as Biström oscillator, and both sides thus magnetized by a current flow.
The core, which should lead to accelerated magnetic flux
1 The tungsten coil found in Balbanju / Ural Russia consists of bundles thread-shaped tungsten geradelienigen crystal structures with a single thickness of the order of 1 micron. Behold: Phaser.
2 Ferrite.
3 directed soft iron (NANOPERM see MEG) www.magnetec.de / nanoperm_e.htm .
4 Electrically conductive permanent magnet (Alnico).
5 annealed and directed iron rod.

Non-inductive coils are connected as a bridge used in the current generators.
Rock on, and then produce itself current.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: MarkE on March 25, 2014, 02:56:58 PM
Quote from: policiarj2 on March 25, 2014, 02:38:43 PM
That is not the way in fact, the device oh Hans Coler does not use bi-filiar coils (Aryton-Perry), it uses two opposite coils to produce resonance, I could find even other great explication:

Excitation
1 The oscillators can be alternately pulse each other at least as two, or multiple group.
2 The oscillators are pulsed by a moving permanent magnet (rotating). (Motor-generator)
The oscillator may only induces short to generate a magnetic field and an output power.
Then the oscillators must contact can oscillate freely to generate an accelerated ZPE flux.
All power generators require excitation by radiation, which is mostly produced by radon doped iron, or by fast-moving permanent magnet.

When the oscillator is energized, increasing the amplitude and the magnets are moved slightly (up to 9mm) to resonance offset, and the best focus ZPE-wave apart. At maximum amplitude of the switch is opened.
If the generator does not start, or runs poorly, a small DC voltage should be switched serially in both circuits. The Spannungeinspeisestelle must be connected in parallel with a capacitor at 330 uF.
Left: A version with only a magnetic bar. The two halves of the winding are drawn only to illustrate the connections of the magnetic core is not of a continuous winding, but rather as a cut. The number of turns must not be too high.
Right: jump start. Pulse supply with a battery a transformer to the non-inductive coil. The diode is poled with the pole changing according to the flow of the connected solenoid, and directs the pulses equal.

More info here:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freie-energy.de%2Fhtml%2Farchiv.htm&sandbox=1
Now you are confusing terms.  Canceling inductance and building a resonant circuit are completely different concepts.  An Ayrton-Perry winding is not bifilar.  Bifilar windings suffer significant parasitic capacitance.  Ayrton-Perry resistor windings have extremely low parasitic capacitance and very low parasitic inductance.

If you enjoy playing with a Coler machine then have fun.  Coler was unable to demonstrate his claims.  No one has successfully replicated Coler's claims.  You are chasing a myth.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: policiarj2 on March 25, 2014, 03:20:39 PM
I guess is possible to build a resonant circuit using in some parts a inductance cancelled, and Aryton-Perry is a type of bi-filiar winding, the thing is the device Hans Coler use a work system wich is very difficult to understand.

The apparatus was tested in 1926 by Professor M. Klose from the Technische Hochschule Berlin-Charlottenburg and Professor WO Schumann of the Technical University of Munich, who confirmed that it was working properly, but were not able to explain how the energy was produced.

Franz Haid of Siemens-Schukert could replicate it, the device was seen by Dr. Kurt Mie of Berlin Technische Hochschule and Herr Fehr (Haber's assistant at the K.W.I.) who reported that the device apparently worked, and they could detect no fraud.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: MarkE on March 25, 2014, 06:28:38 PM
Quote from: policiarj2 on March 25, 2014, 03:20:39 PM
I guess is possible to build a resonant circuit using in some parts a inductance cancelled, and Aryton-Perry is a type of bi-filiar winding, the thing is the device Hans Coler use a work system wich is very difficult to understand.

The apparatus was tested in 1926 by Professor M. Klose from the Technische Hochschule Berlin-Charlottenburg and Professor WO Schumann of the Technical University of Munich, who confirmed that it was working properly, but were not able to explain how the energy was produced.

Franz Haid of Siemens-Schukert could replicate it, the device was seen by Dr. Kurt Mie of Berlin Technische Hochschule and Herr Fehr (Haber's assistant at the K.W.I.) who reported that the device apparently worked, and they could detect no fraud.
A resonant circuit alternately stores energy in a magnetic and electrostatic potentials. 
Ayrton-Perry is not a type of bifilar winding.  Bifilar windings consist of two adjacent conductors wound directly next to each other in order to establish maximum mutual inductance.  The close parallel arrangement creates substantial capacitance.  Ayrton-Perry windings consist of two oppositely rotating helixes.  The mutual inductance of an Ayrton-Perry winding is lower than for a bifilar winding on the same form.  At the same time, the mutual capacitance is orders of magnitude lower than for a bifilar winding. 

Bifilar windings are particularly useful in 1:1 transformer applications where maximizing the mutual versus self-inductance is more important than other considerations such as: mutual capacitance or breakdown voltage.  They are used extensively in common mode chokes and low voltage power transformers.

Ayrton-Perry windings are particularly useful for realizing low parasitic power resistors.

The alleged Coler replications of 85 years ago are themselves nowhere to be found.  Coler failed to reproduce working for the British after WWII.  Coler had claimed 5kW.  He couldn't demonstrate 1mW.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: policiarj2 on March 26, 2014, 06:30:25 AM
it is right wikipedia is wrong about Ayrton-Perry (they said it), but why the image of above is non-inductive bi-filiar coil and the second one (Nikola Tesla's bifilar coil) is inductive? (both are bi-filiar)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_winding


Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: gyulasun on March 26, 2014, 09:36:52 AM
Hi policijarj2,

I have modified and embedded the two drawings you uploaded on the two bifilar coil windings.

So to answer your dilemma, there are two possibilities for bifilar coils to connect them in series: either the two wires (run close to each other) aid each other magnetically or they oppose each other fields.

In my edited picture you can see that in the upper bifi coil the end of coil A is connected to the end of coil B and the inputs are the start of coil A and B.

In the bottom bifi coil (Tesla drawing) the end of coil A is connected to the start of coil B and the inputs are the start of coil A and the end of coil B.

If you happen to have an L meter, you can simply measure the difference between the two coil connections, no need to wind two different bifi coils, it is enough to wind only one bifi coil with two wires and play with the wire end and start connections as shown.

Gyula
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: MarkE on March 26, 2014, 02:46:40 PM
Quote from: policiarj2 on March 26, 2014, 06:30:25 AM
it is right wikipedia is wrong about Ayrton-Perry (they said it), but why the image of above is non-inductive bi-filiar coil and the second one (Nikola Tesla's bifilar coil) is inductive? (both are bi-filiar)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_winding
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: policiarj2 on March 27, 2014, 09:11:51 AM
ok I got it, and what function has this kind of a Coupling coil?:
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: MarkE on March 27, 2014, 12:53:57 PM
That coil has an adjustable ratio of mutual versus leakage inductance.
Title: Re: Free energy device 70watts by Hans Coler
Post by: dieter on April 05, 2014, 10:22:03 AM
I wanted to point out that the replication seen in these photos did not work and was made by the two austrian guys of the hcrs lab:
www.hcrs.at/COLER.HTM