I do not know whether this is so far been reported, but this device works!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39hVwNIRbNU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39hVwNIRbNU)
Of course it works! It has a huge BATTERY in it!
(Embedding and comments disabled. Why? Can't take the controversy? Tired of people demanding actual _measurements_ rather than the usual battery and bank of lights? The Electric Utility wondering why you haven't had to pay an electric bill since last summer? Makes perfect sense to me....)
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 26, 2014, 04:37:56 AM
Of course it works! It has a huge BATTERY in it!
Battery is only for start!
Device work without battery!
Quote from: Shokac on March 26, 2014, 05:06:30 AM
Battery is only for start!
Device work without battery!
Then why didn't he disconnect it!
If you were demonstrating such a device, you would disconnect the battery after start, right!
I know I would!
Even if I had a microphone in one hand, I would ask him to disconnect the battery so the camera can see it!
Patent:
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013150392A2?cl=en
For the curious...
... if I understood correctly, in the video he claims 1,5KW continuous output power...
Dann
Hi Dann,
The machine shown in the two links below seems to be based on the same principle like the one in the above video:
http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/spektar/zivot-i-stil/Pomama-za-ekoloskim-agregatom.lt.html (http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/spektar/zivot-i-stil/Pomama-za-ekoloskim-agregatom.lt.html) and
http://doznajemo.com/2013/01/18/sa-jednom-baterijom-napaja-cijelu-kucu-strujom-revolucionarni-aparat-predstavljen-i-u-mostaru/ (http://doznajemo.com/2013/01/18/sa-jednom-baterijom-napaja-cijelu-kucu-strujom-revolucionarni-aparat-predstavljen-i-u-mostaru/)
This text: "Reč je o patentu trojice pronalazača koji kao inicijalnu energiju koristi jednosmernu struju iz baterije od 12 volti. Ona pokreće elektromotor, a ovaj preko posebnog prenosnog sistema pokreće generator koji preko ispravljača proizvodi naizmeničnu električnu energiju napona 230 volti. Manji deo generisane struje puni bateriju, a višak je spreman za sve potrošače na naponu od 220 volti. Tajna pronalaska koji omogućava da se energija iz baterije od 12 volti višestruku uveća leži u sistemu povezivanja i pretvaranja energije, kažu izumitelji."
is google translated with some corrections as: "According to the three inventors the initial energy uses direct current from a 12V battery. This powers an electric motor, and this drives a generator through a special transmission system that produces 230V AC via an AC adapter (inverter). A smaller part of the generated current charges the battery , and the surplus is ready for all consumers at a voltage of 220 volts . The secret of the invention that allows the energy from the 12V battery to multiply (to increase) lies in the system connectivity and conversion of energy, the inventors say."
So if you can agree with the text translation, then the 12V wiper motor you identified in your picture is the main driver for the transmission system and for the flywheel and then a car alternator is driven from this latter system. The car alternator gives about 12-13V DC output at 115-120 Amper at least or higher and this 12-13V DC drives the input side of an inverter able to convert the 1.5kW and then the 220-230V AC is available at the inverter output. Is this correct?
So it seems it all depends on the special transmission system (gear ratio) I suppose to "multiply" the input energy taken from the battery. IF you attempt to replicate such system, how will you go about to choose the "correct" gear ratio I wonder? Trial and error?
Thanks, Gyula
Quote from: Shokac on March 26, 2014, 04:09:05 AM
I do not know whether this is so far been reported, but this device works!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39hVwNIRbNU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39hVwNIRbNU)
He did not mention, how long for him it work without charge battery?
Quote from: gyulasun on March 26, 2014, 07:58:29 AM
Hi Dann,
The machine shown in the two links below seems to be based on the same principle like the one in the above video:
http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/spektar/zivot-i-stil/Pomama-za-ekoloskim-agregatom.lt.html (http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/spektar/zivot-i-stil/Pomama-za-ekoloskim-agregatom.lt.html) and
http://doznajemo.com/2013/01/18/sa-jednom-baterijom-napaja-cijelu-kucu-strujom-revolucionarni-aparat-predstavljen-i-u-mostaru/ (http://doznajemo.com/2013/01/18/sa-jednom-baterijom-napaja-cijelu-kucu-strujom-revolucionarni-aparat-predstavljen-i-u-mostaru/)
Here sells somthing like this [size=78%]http://ledd.satom.ru/p/1848917-ibp-dom-5000-vatt-bestoplivnyy/ (http://ledd.satom.ru/p/1848917-ibp-dom-5000-vatt-bestoplivnyy/)[/size]
Hello gyulasun!
Nice finds! All you wrote seems to be about correct (car alternator should output from 13,5V to 14,4V).
The team leader mentioned in the article is Milan Bojović and he is also one of the inventors mentioned in the patent posted by Shokac, so this seems like Krstan Pejić is in the team and the real inventor.
Well, about the gear ratio, I would try to deduce that from the video (for example measure the size of the alternator and then based on that would try to deduce the gear ratios)
Dann
Quote from: gyulasun on March 26, 2014, 07:58:29 AM
Hi Dann,
The machine shown in the two links below seems to be based on the same principle like the one in the above video:
http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/spektar/zivot-i-stil/Pomama-za-ekoloskim-agregatom.lt.html (http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/spektar/zivot-i-stil/Pomama-za-ekoloskim-agregatom.lt.html) and
http://doznajemo.com/2013/01/18/sa-jednom-baterijom-napaja-cijelu-kucu-strujom-revolucionarni-aparat-predstavljen-i-u-mostaru/ (http://doznajemo.com/2013/01/18/sa-jednom-baterijom-napaja-cijelu-kucu-strujom-revolucionarni-aparat-predstavljen-i-u-mostaru/)
This text: "Reč je o patentu trojice pronalazača koji kao inicijalnu energiju koristi jednosmernu struju iz baterije od 12 volti. Ona pokreće elektromotor, a ovaj preko posebnog prenosnog sistema pokreće generator koji preko ispravljača proizvodi naizmeničnu električnu energiju napona 230 volti. Manji deo generisane struje puni bateriju, a višak je spreman za sve potrošače na naponu od 220 volti. Tajna pronalaska koji omogućava da se energija iz baterije od 12 volti višestruku uveća leži u sistemu povezivanja i pretvaranja energije, kažu izumitelji."
is google translated with some corrections as: "According to the three inventors the initial energy uses direct current from a 12V battery. This powers an electric motor, and this drives a generator through a special transmission system that produces 230V AC via an AC adapter (inverter). A smaller part of the generated current charges the battery , and the surplus is ready for all consumers at a voltage of 220 volts . The secret of the invention that allows the energy from the 12V battery to multiply (to increase) lies in the system connectivity and conversion of energy, the inventors say."
So if you can agree with the text translation, then the 12V wiper motor you identified in your picture is the main driver for the transmission system and for the flywheel and then a car alternator is driven from this latter system. The car alternator gives about 12-13V DC output at 115-120 Amper at least or higher and this 12-13V DC drives the input side of an inverter able to convert the 1.5kW and then the 220-230V AC is available at the inverter output. Is this correct?
So it seems it all depends on the special transmission system (gear ratio) I suppose to "multiply" the input energy taken from the battery. IF you attempt to replicate such system, how will you go about to choose the "correct" gear ratio I wonder? Trial and error?
Thanks, Gyula
That's not even too expensive... 587 USD maybe Sterling Allan would buy it :) .
Quote from: MenofFather on March 26, 2014, 08:30:54 AM
Here sells somthing like this [size=78%]http://ledd.satom.ru/p/1848917-ibp-dom-5000-vatt-bestoplivnyy/ (http://ledd.satom.ru/p/1848917-ibp-dom-5000-vatt-bestoplivnyy/)[/size]
Hi Dann,
Yes it is a good idea to estimate the wheel sizes from the video and arrive at the ratio.
I wish you good luck.
Gyula
Quote from: MenofFather on March 26, 2014, 08:20:45 AM
He did not mention, how long for him it work without charge battery?
He said it can ran for as long as batterys life - a few years
The thread says "Gravity wheel". Where and how is gravity used in this contraption?
Hi All,
In the video he mentions his first prototype which is briefly shown @ 2:27. I think this would give a better idea of pulley ratio since it looks like all bike rims are being used.
These are just estimates on the bike wheels from standard sizes which they seem closest too.
Flywheel - 26" diameter
To Alternator - 20" diameter
The small pulleys look to be 1-2" diameter
Drive Motor - 16-18" looks a little smaller than the 20" diameter
Windshield wiper motor is between 30-100rpm depending on voltage, it has high torque since it's wound almost like a winch motor.
Let's go with 40rpm as an example
40rpm @ 18" wheel to 2" pulley = 40*(18/2) = 360 rpm on flywheel shaft
360rpm @ 20" wheel to 2" pulley on alternator = 360*(20/2) = 3600rpm
Please correct if you see a mistake.
Quote from: DreamThinkBuild on March 26, 2014, 01:54:51 PM
Hi All,
In the video he mentions his first prototype which is briefly shown @ 2:27. I think this would give a better idea of pulley ratio since it looks like all bike rims are being used.
These are just estimates on the bike wheels from standard sizes which they seem closest too.
Flywheel - 26" diameter
To Alternator - 20" diameter
The small pulleys look to be 1-2" diameter
Drive Motor - 16-18" looks a little smaller than the 20" diameter
Windshield wiper motor is between 30-100rpm depending on voltage, it has high torque since it's wound almost like a winch motor.
Let's go with 40rpm as an example
40rpm @ 18" wheel to 2" pulley = 40*(18/2) = 360 rpm on flywheel shaft
360rpm @ 20" wheel to 2" pulley on alternator = 360*(20/2) = 3600rpm
Please correct if you see a mistake.
Weight has on the other side.
Drive Motor - is from old waschmaschine fi 310 or 12,2"
Quote from: Shokac on March 26, 2014, 05:53:00 AM
Patent:
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013150392A2?cl=en (http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013150392A2?cl=en)
NOT PATENT.
Patent APPLICATION.
Publication number
| WO2013150392 A2
|
| Publication type | Application |
Application number
| PCT/IB2013/050910 |
Quote from: bboj on March 26, 2014, 10:13:13 AM
He said it can ran for as long as batterys life - a few years
Why does it need a battery at all, after starting?
Please explain this, before measuring wheels and calculating belt lengths. Require a demonstration of the device operating without the battery. If this cannot be done.... please give some coherent explanation why not. I am quite certain that I or any other competent electrician could make the device self-charge a capacitor bank or use some other system to substitute for the battery -- IF it was actually making any excess energy at all.
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 26, 2014, 03:19:04 PM
Why does it need a battery at all, after starting?
Please explain this, before measuring wheels and calculating belt lengths. Require a demonstration of the device operating without the battery. If this cannot be done.... please give some coherent explanation why not. I am quite certain that I or any other competent electrician could make the device self-charge a capacitor bank or use some other system to substitute for the battery -- IF it was actually making any excess energy at all.
I just translated what the inventor said in the video.
He said that the battery must be connected non stop so the circuit is not interrupted. He also said that 20 pct of flywheel energy goes to maintain the flywheel movement and battery recharge and 80 pct is used to power different loads. He also said that the battery is needed only to start the device.
That is all. I can not say if it works and if it does I do not know how for sure.
I see. SO
The battery is only needed to start the device.....
but...
The battery must remain connected non stop so the circuit is not interrupted.
Guess what.... the battery in my car is only needed to start the car....
AND...
Since it is only needed to start the car..... it can be removed once the car is started, because the car DOES NOT RUN ON THE BATTERY.
These "qmogens" are just bait. Don't be a fish.
I never thought it works. I just helped with translation.
It really would be too good.
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 27, 2014, 12:16:52 PM
The battery must remain connected non stop so the circuit is not interrupted.
I'm not sure about this one, but in general, this principle can be true.
Either way, the acid test will be whether the battery's state of charge has increased or decreased after the gear has been running overnight.
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 27, 2014, 12:16:52 PM
I see. SO
The battery is only needed to start the device.....
but...
The battery must remain connected non stop so the circuit is not interrupted.
Guess what.... the battery in my car is only needed to start the car....
AND...
Since it is only needed to start the car..... it can be removed once the car is started, because the car DOES NOT RUN ON THE BATTERY.
These "qmogens" are just bait. Don't be a fish.
Why constantly attacking this thread?
This device works like it or not!
Quote from: Shokac on March 27, 2014, 01:16:04 PM
Why constantly attacking this thread?
This device works like it or not!
You may or may not be right. But some straighforward, old fashioned, hard evidence would be most attractive.
There have been patents issued in Belgium, which include at least a motor / generator and a battery.
Now obviously the battery is not drained down, but it is needed for function.
What happens there; this forum provides no means to solve this riddle.
Why is the patent granted, if it where nonsense?
If I were the person, to sign this I would refuse to sign it , unless they would show me that a load would be powered by the device for a much longer time , the battery alone would be able to.
But it has been signed. Several times.
(One pdf is not readable by my Adobe Reader)
Hi TheCell,
IT is the first PDF file (BE438189A) which does not open for me either, so I have downloaded it from Espacenet, see attached.
You asked: "Why is a patent granted if it were nonsense?"
Probably this is different from country to country but at many places there have been no requirement to demonstrate a working device, they simply file an "intellectual property". And whatever BS an application may be, it brings income to the patent offices... They readily sign quasi any weird idea.
Saying these, I do not suggest these ideas are not able to produce extra output... Just telling what you think is not always the case with granted patents.
Gyula
Hi guys!
I think there must be something special in the flywheels 8) :
http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm)
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 27, 2014, 12:16:52 PM
I see. SO
The battery is only needed to start the device.....
but...
The battery must remain connected non stop so the circuit is not interrupted.
Guess what.... the battery in my car is only needed to start the car....
AND...
Since it is only needed to start the car..... it can be removed once the car is started, because the car DOES NOT RUN ON THE BATTERY.
These "qmogens" are just bait. Don't be a fish.
It is not baloney. 40 million mechanics and Hot Rodders know it is true.
One time a crook stole the battery out of my old 68 Dodge. I jump started from my sister's car and drove, with no battery, after dark with my lights working OK, several miles to the battery store to get a replacement.
Might not work with a Tesla.
I think it could work.
The reason would be the gears, do you see them?
The motor's shaft is perpendicular to the wheel's shaft. It took my attention.
A couple of days ago we posted this news bullet:
Featured (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Latest): Electromagnetic (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Electromagnetic) > QMoGen (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Motor-Generator_Self-Looped_with_Usable_Energy_Left_Over) >
Krstan Pejic QMoGen Featured on Serbian TV (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Krstan_Pejic_QMoGen) - Here's a QMoGen out of Serbia that has a provisional PCT patent filed. It was featured on a local TV station. Allegedly capable of 1.5 kW continuous output of power. (PESWiki; April 15, 2014)
On April 16, 2014 4:58 AM MDT (GMT-6), Zoran Milan Ilitz from Serbia wrote:
Subject: About Krstan Pejic
Hey Sterling,
Krstan Pejić (pronounced as Pay-ee-tzj) is living some 50 km from me.
Briefly: A reputable inventor, 18 years of research on this patent. Several awards from several serious innovation fairs (Serbia, Romania, Hungaria, Montenegro). First patented in Montenegro (which is an independent country since 2006 and markets herself as being an ecological country). There is a team of people and a company, they had a lawyer who does the legal work.
First plan is to get patents in 124 countries (news from 3 years ago); after that they will accept investors (of which they have plenty offers), but will keep 51% of the rights to avoid the buy-outs and shutting off.
Google gives 1000 references on Krstan. He has several other inventions as well, but unrelated to energy.
Short description: a 12 V battery powers the device, which then generates usable power and some surplus to refill the battery on the fly. The output managed to power the lights in a local pub, plus a drill and a grinder.
They claim they can make their device with power outputs of 1 kW to 2 MW.
I found the phone and address, but not an e-mail.
Cheers, Zoran
The likelyhood of this contraption delivering OU is best expressed in scientific notation:1/10^googleplex. But then, I AM an optimist.
Quote from: madddann on March 26, 2014, 09:12:47 AM
That's not even too expensive... 587 USD maybe Sterling Allan would buy it :) .
;D Yes,absolutely,clearly ! ;D
But: 1.000 Russian Rubles ~ 28 US$
2.000 ?
20.000 ?
200.000 ?
:-X :-\ :'(
Adeus
OCWL
p.s.: thread object http://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=8747
Quote from: lancaIV on April 22, 2014, 04:54:53 AM
...
But: 1.000 Russian Rubles ~ 28 US$
2.000 ?
20.000 ?
200.000 ?
...
Olá Lanca,
1.000 Russian Rubel is 0.028 USD and not 28 USD if you meant that (any source: http://themoneyconverter.com/RUB/USD.aspx (http://themoneyconverter.com/RUB/USD.aspx) )
So 200,000 RUB is 5,600 USD (5 thousand and 6 hundred) and not 587 USD as member madddann wrote.
Greetings, Gyula
EDIT I just realized that you use dot where the English use comma (virgula) to cut up the thousand values. So one thousand Ruble is indeed 28 USD nowadays but it is written as 1,000 RUB and not as 1.000 RUB, this is why I speak up... 8)
Hello
First, this is new video from Krstan Pejic. He is saying that every few seconds he is using electricity from battery, and electricity used is lower than gained because of flywheel. Don't know does this video has something to do with old one, just posting if someone wants to comment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-XAI-9yaA
Now, this is what happened with this project. Atm, he made this generator to work on home electricity, spending about 1kw and producing 7kw. He already selling them.
Interesting thing that he says in video (not this that i posted but original) is that at that time when video was recording he was already on project for 1 hotel where he is making generator of 40kw. This means that going from generator that is in video which is using about 100w per hour while producing 1.5kw to generator that he is now selling (1kw to 7kw) is not problem, pattern is same.
As he himself sad to 1 visitor, we all can see from video what he was using and to make same "hardware", but real deal is in that alternator. That is not just random car alternator hooked up and lets go. Something was changed in it. Only thing i can think of is that he made it to be permanent alternator by adding magnets.
Alternator, inverter and how are wires hooked up, are so far mystery.
Since last post was about 1.5 years ago, i would like to use this opportunity to ask didi someone found out something new, maybe tested generator? I personally tried to make it, but it did not worked with just random alternator hooked up.
You can seriously do better than a car alternator as per a repair shop they are a very bad and lossy generator. Consider the design for a wind generator instead. You could still use a coil to make the magnetic field for it and by that control the amount of output as you would in a car unit.
I showed this before, yes, its one of the videos on YT.
Its his prototype.
My theory is that there is an purposely made eccentricity in the belt sprocket shapes, timed to the weight eccentricity on the flywheel judging from what Pejic is saying. Worthy to note, I dont notice eccentricity on final build. I rarely see that in the others, perhaps it is a good clue.
Numerous theories have been written on this effect, the one that apparently drives the Pejic device and many others I have seen, there is too many to mention.
As for the "pulsing" technique, it is always a strange rattle, a seeking of "looseness", long delay line I call it, loosely coupled, and apparently force is inputted, switched momentarily, then removed, or lowered.
Some people maybe achieve this with field winding cutting apparently, ive heard a few techniques for providing an irregular jump, to a motor, or "physical driver".
The effect seen here, it is my belief, has no modifications to he receiving alternator, the effect comes from effect of flywheel, when right technique is applied, useful force is generator as bonus of wealth and energy.
When timing is done right, flywheel itself provides the out of nowhere force necessary to continue moving the generator, for free.
AG power of india. Their setup is huge, I dont seem them remaking such an generator. An many others as well, so I say, I dont think generator is modified. Its already, a very complex input system.
Some people use hydraulic, and perhaps an rotary switch of some sort. Some people use pulleys. Seen this motor/flywheel ALOT, from massive and very huge to small.
I am also wondering that this motor is somehow being sold in black market to what seems to be ak-47 wielding pakistanis...If that video was indeed legitimate. , are they smarter than us over there come on...no way ... Who is telling them? It cant be so easy now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoyDX0A02gw
Can anybody who understands serbian translate these videos and confirm to me above story about alternator being modified.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-XAI-9yaA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVexA003t-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJxNL7h0UNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To0IcsA4GPw
there was a battery guy a while back, collected all sorts of batteries and tested the crap out of them.
among them was a list of what he proclaimed to be the "best car batteries".
albeit I think most of his list came from trucks...; anyhow.
a couple of them pushed out 700-900 amps for nearly 20 minutes at roughly 13 volts, scaling down as the battery drained.
some of the greater values were along the lines of 3.5 KWHrs from a fully charged battery.
converted to A/C, or used at 12v to run all sorts of gizmos and metering it all the way around.
the average battery will produce much lower values.
in Every case, more energy was used charging the battery than was used while discharging it.
The thing about 12-24v DC motors, such as those used in the automotive industry,...
the current draw is dependent upon the load.
the harder or easier it is to turn the load, the more or less current will be drawn.
window motors provide more torque for the power than the smaller wiper motor.
and the window motors come readily equipped with a worm-gear which further increases the torque.
you can spin some serious stuff with those :)
it's hard to measure power consumption over time with these motors, and also the energy consumed while spinning the flywheel up to speed.
yes, once spinning fast enough, it gets "easier" to spin a flywheel, but you still are imparting more energy into it than you can take out.
on top of that, the situation if further complicated by using the momentum of the flywheel to generate electricity.
if any portion of this is fed back into the battery, this will increase the "run-time" of the system, before the battery dies down.
which is used again to run the motor, to keep the flywheel spinning. not really doing any work, but slowly losing energy each cycle.
the energy used at the output side of the generator should decrease the overall energy value, decreasing the battery power over time.
the only way to know all of the parameters of the system, is to properly meter the battery, output and input.
then you can see what it is really doing.
the alternative would be to record measurements over time, of all parts of the system.
this leads to a complicated measurement process, inaccuracies, mistakes, etc.
all in all I do not believe this system can output more total energy than is available from the fully charged battery.
here is another approach being investigated ..
William Skinner's 1939 spinning controlled chaos ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib3ZATuJZis
sorry I could not find the appropriate old thread here ?
also being discussed here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/17195-william-f-skinner-1939-gravity-power-23.html
Chet
That is unrelated and unsuccessful as of yet. What has he shown? Nothing...
My intuition tells me, it did not work.
Quote from: ARMCORTEX on December 30, 2015, 04:52:37 AM
Can anybody who understands serbian translate these videos and confirm to me above story about alternator being modified.
One of those videos is not Serbian, 2 others have nothing to do with alternator and in forth he only says "this is car alternator" and thats it.
This information about changing wires (modifying) that i have is told by himself to 1 visitor who told me, u will not find this information in his videos and that visitor is not sure what exactly is changed (is it only wires, is it only alternator, is it alternator at all).
Is there patent for alternator design?
How does this have relation with bycicle wheel and video shown?
I have pmed you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=208YbzZfd-0
What exactly is the goal and motivation for his alternator modification?
Is the flywheel the source of the effect and alternator used only as the instigator of the effect?
A modification that is otherwise stupid, and not OU in itself.
Quote from: ARMCORTEX on January 02, 2016, 10:53:04 AMIs there patent for alternator design?
Yes there is, he have it and he showed to that visitor, he could see all but since he has 0 knowledge he did not even know in what he was looking at. Krstan himself told him than that he spent 20 years reserching this idea and that parts are modified.
Quote from: ARMCORTEX on January 02, 2016, 10:53:04 AMHow does this have relation with bycicle wheel and video shown?
I did translation of it, u can look up. He is not mentioning main machine in that video at all, he is just showing how u can make free electricity. So ether that video has nothing to do with main video, he just want to show there are more ways to produce free electricity or it is how main machine work, we have to decide that for our own.
Quote from: ARMCORTEX on January 02, 2016, 10:53:04 AMWhat exactly is the goal and motivation for his alternator modification?
He did not sad that. I think that he maybe put instead of rotor magnet, and in stator he changed wires to be thiner (sine that is what ppl do when they making PMA). But this is only my opinion.
Quote from: ARMCORTEX on January 02, 2016, 10:53:04 AMIs the flywheel the source of the effect and alternator used only as the instigator of the effect?
This is what he is saying about all parts, he is little mumbling so translation will maybe not look logical but i will translate exact what he is saying:
In order to start this machine u need initial energy and for that i am using battery. After that, machine use, because he has flywheel, this is here flywheel (showing to bicycle wheel), machine than with help of flywheel is using force of inertia. 80% of energy that this flywheel is making machine is transferring to electrical energy, and 20% of energy which is making generator, i took for generator alternator from car, machine is using. That alternator recharges battery, when machine starts battery loose some % of power, so alternator recharges battery and after that battery is there only there as circuit. Electricity is always the same, amps and volts are always same, and he can work forever like that.
Quote from: ARMCORTEX on January 02, 2016, 10:53:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=208YbzZfd-0
This is generator which is making 100% free energy. When i was presenting on TV my first invention (the one with battery, alternator etc) which was about 3 years, ppl were visiting me mostly to steal my idea so even now i don't want to show how exactly this generator is working. He should work like this: in order to start he would need some energy, which is where i use battery, after that he should use 1 part of energy for his own work and rest would be spent like free energy. But this part i do not want to revile to no one for now, if some real buyer comes than we can talk about it.
This machine will now use grid electricity as 1 part of energy needed to run, and other part will be used from energy of accumulation of kinetic energy, and that is flywheel. So flywheel is presenting accumulation of kinetic energy. This generator can give electricity to whole town, if it starts massively manufacturing we will drop all solar wind and other energy.
Now he is turning machine on: First i will turn this generator, which has 30kw. Now i will connect to him this generator which has 5kw. This generator is now using from first one about 1.5kw and he is making 4-4.5kw. 30kw generator has more connectors so we can attach anything there (he is showing). Now i will turn one more generator (he turned in another smaller generator to 30kw one which, small is starting to spin)
So now we can connect 1 by 1, every generator to new one. Every new generator would use energy from this one (showing to small generator from beginning) and than electricity would be used from him for free. This is how we could connect whole world and everyone could be using it from generators like this (showing to big one)
Can you do something for me?
Take those 3 videos by Pejic, and add audio english commentary with many pause.
I will show this to an investor, the owner of the machine shop I work at.
Also, do it for the forum.
You and I know it is true and important, but not everybody.
As for the claim of 20 years research, I think this is just crap talk by Pejic, nobody would spend 20 years on something without the foreknowledge that it worked or could work.
My best guess is that he was told, or he knew of somebody, or he saw a YT video in the last 5-8 years because he is far from being the first to show this type of engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86kfABdcY4
So I would like to thank Minde91 for making this video translation of Krstan Pejic and his inventions.
All those hours of free labour, of messing around with new software, just to satisfy those who are curious.
Thanks Minde for your commitment!
No measurements at all. No significant loads; claims of energy coming out of flywheel!
I have seen enough.
That is true, for this particular video, are there others of him?
More news will come I am sure.
Its only a flywheel motor/generator video amongst many others.
From what I hear, people who visited him say he is not telling BS.
All information available has been shared!
Quote from: memoryman on January 16, 2016, 04:47:39 PM
No measurements at all. No significant loads; claims of energy coming out of flywheel!
I have seen enough.
This is how i see it. Any1 who wants to scam, he can scam. We all have to admit that there are videos where ppl are trying to scam us by showing us "true measurements".
The fact that he got 3 medals, 1 in Serbia, 1 in Croatia and 1 in Romania, is WAY better proof than proof that some random guy on youtube is showing to us "measurements". Do u think they will give him golden medal just like that, without any measurements? I don't think so.
Also, making 4 expensive machines for what? Why would he make 4 machines if it is scam?
That is how i see it.
While that may be true.
There is also the saying, never let your guard down.
That blind hack from Peru, also won a medal, whats his name again? O whatever...
Whats interesting with this is not Pejic himself, but all the other videos I saw, from spain, pakistan, india, thailand, australia, romania, turkey, russia, serbia.
Alot of people made big claims, with big builds, so I tend to pay attention to that.
Mind,
Can you please confirm, validity of this man, Milan Bojovic.
So both he and Krstan, make the same device? I see now, patent name, Bojovic.
What is the word on the streets?
No scam?
It almost seem like gangsters pulling an innovative scam, but it seems all so real, too real.
Interesting looking character, Bojovic, he seems like the guy who dont F*** with.
Look at this guy.. Nice lady is interviewing him, lol WTF?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbSlZwPYFfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCs3ss23Ngs
well i can speak serbian,and i can tell just from comments on the youtube that its a scam.
sory for the bad news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=208YbzZfd-0
ZASTO SE NE GREJES NA STRUJU NEGO SI U TVOJIM GODINAMA MORAO DA CEPAS DRVA...
why don't you heat on electricity ,in your age you are cutting wood..(the pile of wood in the background)
Go over there, and verify this?
don't be so hectic,its not first time someone say he has overunity device.
in your 2 videos he is talking about reduction of power usage not free eletricity
You are in Serbia, you are able to research these individuals.
Please call a few numbers and investigate these claims.
I dont care about wood in a shed, I can think of 20 reasons for that.
General lazyness of busy inventor, legal, doesnt care for his own home, always in the workshop, likes to cut wood for exercise, etc...
an 'inventor' who uses name plate data as a substitute for real measured data, is NOT to be taken seriously, imho.
But Bojovic was in a room with judges and curious teenagers who plugged in heaters in the machine.
Turbo, what do you know of this event?
Tell Bojovic, or Krstan, to make a video outside, with moveable frame machine, and open fast all box, move machine in the grass, run loads for 10 mintes.
I will personally send him 100$ US.
Quote from: turbogt16v on January 17, 2016, 03:05:02 AM
why don't you heat on electricity ,in your age you are cutting wood..(the pile of wood in the background)
I can't claim this is 100% truth, but this is not his house. In 2015 he got new partner and with his help he was able to make all that machines u see in video, and that machines are now in his (partner) house.
Well sorry to tell you i don't live in Serbia i am from Croatia.
i watched video few more times and it it interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=208YbzZfd-0
he uses some kind of counter weights on generator,i did not see that detail in other videos.
if you are so ager to see if it possible ,do it yourself.the most money will go on generator,u can use car alternator.
i will maybe get into this project if i manage to get the parts.
the only thing i don't get is how to pulse electric to the motor so it uses less power and stay in sinc with generator
well this is the best pic ,it does seam to simple to be true
If u look, he uses this type of flywheel, than 1 type which u can see on his prototype and 1 type u can see on first machine with battery.
If i saw good, in all 3 machines this is balanced flywheel, so i do not get how u can with balanced flywheel make free energy?
You cannot make 'free energy' with any kind of flywheel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb_PQ32tMQ0
Here is my analysis of Chas Campbel video, a possible way of using pulse transmission.
Its challenging to find good efficient techniques, if you have any idea or knowledge please share.
Here is another, the biggest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr67j71NSsQ.
Here is another big one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Z1S_1GlxA
Here is a smaller one, dont pay attention to the bullshit said here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU5Id6mlXog
ARMCORTEX "Here is a smaller one, dont pay attention to the bullshit said here." does that refer to your post?
It refers to annoying little hacks who always say idiot things.
You can find these people everywhere.
They see a few videos on YT and think all it about Tesla, and they know about Tesla, then they spread bullshit.
But in reality they are are pretty much hacks.
Thats pretty much the situation these days.
So u think that tension between pulleys is "secret" to impulse, it does not have some electric part which is turning on/of motor every 2 seconds for example?
That gave me idea. Look at this generator, start from 4:00. So there is 1 motor which is connected via pulley with generator who has flywheel. But look at small motor, what does it do? This is what i think he do.
U start machine with motor who is connected to generator with flywheel, after that starts u turn of that motor and u turn on that small motor. Now, bcs his flywheel is not full circle, that small motor is touching flywheel for only 10% of his spin while making full circle (360 degree). So that small motor is working constantly, but 90% of his work is spent working on empty, and 10% pushing flywheel to never stop. I think if u do math it is potential way to free energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86kfABdcY4
Can this be the case? But other 3 on video are not like this 1, maybe he have some electronics to turn it on/off? He can't move pulleys like Chas Chambel can, idk is Krstan doing like that. But also look at 6:07 it looks like it is loose.
If you look at my video I put a jpeg.
I have run a few motion simulations, and an eccentric connecting "floating wheel" will cause a rattle, possibly exchanging itself between being dragged by the load side, and decoupling itself from that and being pushed by the motor, and so on. If you lock it down perfectly in that sweet spot, held by the 2 pulleys.
I have run a few simulations of this, motion only, maybe I will post them on my YT. Obviously, a simulator would not confirm to you existence of effect.
I am not talking huge eccentric here, that will just destroy everything.
I am not saying that eccentric is the key, only a technique to make a pulse.
And you can see, by the videos, that people use different techniques, and that there is an unacceptable shaking, too violent to be just a regular flywheel turning at constant speed.
Good Mind.. You are thinking now.
The theory on why such a device would work, is very very limited, there is not much material to help us.
Here is the most famous theory.
http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm
If you know more, please share.
When i was looking back than, i was wondering why he put that, i just skipped it thinking its nonsense, now i see how i was wrong.
Look at 4:53, so where alternator and small motor are standing there are 2, we can call them springs. And what they do? Are they here so he can make right pulley distance to get impulse? He is moving whole plate and that is how he gets pulleys on right distance. And maybe in his new video with big machines he also has something like that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44O3crS-B9k
well i watched other videos and its pretty obvious that its a scam
,the "inventor" use 3 different types of device
and it all works .so he must be really smart ,or not.
in one video he is using flywheel from bicycle rim with some windflowers ,
and it so ridiculous that the same man made this device to work.
on the other part i believe that device on similar principle is possible to make to be ou,
not to make energy but just to transform it from gravity to electricity.
the main problem is to transform it...
Since this gu is offering to sell his device and he lives close to you.
Say you wanna buy one and confirm to us, nobody buys without seeing product.
Agree to any term, do not bring money with you, say you accept to be brought to secret location.
If there si lets say, veyr high loads, stay there for 30 minutes, then you will know something important is true.
Motivate yourself for this investigation of truth.
If he cannot have his friend move the frame, and you cannot see clear sign if OU and no loads.
Note to take good observation of battery size, once you stay 10 times past its charge you will have a good idea.
I wish to see this hotel, this guy makes big claims in the YT comment, device for sale, 329 people are waiting in line...
Take pre-order...
It could always be possible, to grab shitty Serbian lawyer, put an add on xxx serbian online forum or new network, have a few people dancing around pretending to plug stuff in.
Some "competition", a patent, all unverified.
And then cream 1-2 million from entire world, I dont think you could maintain this business forever, its pathetic enough to be somewhat genius criminal.
Anyways, this calls for investigation, I know one of you is in town, propose to him this situation.
If he dont answer or avoids then question comes WTF is he trying to prove or hide.
But you know... It also comes down to Milan Pojovic body language, he talks with such confidence I cannot believe somebody is bold enough for this kind of grand standing held back by nothing but a lie.
Good investigative work will provide us with confirmation of "effect", this effect that motivates people to build massive Flywheel engine.
4 sure Minde, 6:07 weird effect.
If somebody can re-assemble all my videos and store them here.
I posted a near endless list of these Q mogens through out my last 100 posts or so.
The situation is that every few months or so, some ugly guy from a far away country comes up with these and claims OU, grand stands and gives an interview, or has an AK-47 in the background along with the dumpster apartment.
Its comical, somebody bring these videos here.
Quote from: turbogt16v on January 19, 2016, 01:19:40 AM
well i watched other videos and its pretty obvious that its a scam
,the "inventor" use 3 different types of device
and it all works .so he must be really smart ,or not.
in one video he is using flywheel from bicycle rim with some windflowers ,
and it so ridiculous that the same man made this device to work.
the "inventor" use 3 different types of device, therefore it is scam, lol?
He used what he had, and that is same device not 3 different, 1 uses battery, 1 grid electricity, 1 diferent flywheel etc, he ca play with it when he know all behind this device.
Can someone tell what is that tick-tack noise? Look at 2:45, the moment he press button noise gets louder but flywheel did not even started to spin, and after it spins noise have same sound. It looks like something inside generator or motor is cousing that sound but what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86kfABdcY4
I wondered about that sound also. I worked in industry for over 30 years as an electronic tech and I believe that sound could be a large contactor or some would call a relay that is switching the power on and off going to the motor. One of the little controls on the control box appears to be a time delay relay which could be adjusted to pulse the contactor which would in turn give a pulsing power to the drive motor. The idea of pulsing power to a motor and letting a flywheel maintain the speed has been around for a while. I have worked with that idea myself and seen some interesting results but have not gotten OU yet with what I have done.
Carroll
there you go ,a scheme of ou ,all free of charge ...
the theory is very simple,if M1 motor one is charging the G1 generator one in pulse
and if given power is smaller than produced it is ou (not really,it is just transormer of gravity to eletricity)
Gravity is a force, NOT energy.
Quote from: citfta on January 20, 2016, 07:06:43 AM
I wondered about that sound also. I worked in industry for over 30 years as an electronic tech and I believe that sound could be a large contactor or some would call a relay that is switching the power on and off going to the motor. One of the little controls on the control box appears to be a time delay relay which could be adjusted to pulse the contactor which would in turn give a pulsing power to the drive motor. The idea of pulsing power to a motor and letting a flywheel maintain the speed has been around for a while. I have worked with that idea myself and seen some interesting results but have not gotten OU yet with what I have done.
Can u share what exact results u got, where (in real life or in simulation) and what was setup (u can draw in paint for example if u do not have pic)
Only logical way for me, is to use unbalanced flywheel, or we can say pendulum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61-C0x6xtL4
According to him (who posted videos) this version is even bater: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hiNy9JSkrE
I do not see why u did not got good results Citfta if u were using same setup, and i also do not understand why is Krstan using balanced flywheel? When this guy had setup like Krstan but on 1 side more weight he got 30x. Krstan is using same setup but balanced flywheel and he is making free energy, but how he is making when on balanced flywheel gravity can't produce that electric energy that we call free energy?
Also one more question. I'm total noob to this, but what i know is if u let light bolt to work constantly over 1h, it will spend less electricity than if u made it pulse. If u make it pulse so it is working 2 seconds, than 2 not, it will work only 30min in 1h but it will spend more.
Is this same about motors, will pulsing via time relay spend more energy than if it constantly spins and u make machine pulse by loose connection between pulleys or any other way?
Quote from: Mind91 on January 20, 2016, 05:04:51 PM
Can u share what exact results u got, where (in real life or in simulation) and what was setup (u can draw in paint for example if u do not have pic)
Only logical way for me, is to use unbalanced flywheel, or we can say pendulum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61-C0x6xtL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61-C0x6xtL4)
According to him (who posted videos) this version is even bater: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hiNy9JSkrE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hiNy9JSkrE)
I do not see why u did not got good results Citfta if u were using same setup, and i also do not understand why is Krstan using balanced flywheel? When this guy had setup like Krstan but on 1 side more weight he got 30x. Krstan is using same setup but balanced flywheel and he is making free energy, but how he is making when on balanced flywheel gravity can't produce that electric energy that we call free energy?
Also one more question. I'm total noob to this, but what i know is if u let light bolt to work constantly over 1h, it will spend less electricity than if u made it pulse. If u make it pulse so it is working 2 seconds, than 2 not, it will work only 30min in 1h but it will spend more.
Is this same about motors, will pulsing via time relay spend more energy than if it constantly spins and u make machine pulse by loose connection between pulleys or any other way?
Hi Mind91,
I did not say I didn't get good results. I said I didn't see any OU. But I did see much longer run times using a pulsing system. My system was a scooter motor turning a shaft that had a Honda Civic crankshaft pulley on it for a flywheel. Also connected to the end of the shaft I have tried a few different types of home built generators. The idea came from the Watson machine that was built following some ideas by John Bedini.
In my system I used a Pic micro controller to pulse the power to the motor by letting the Pic controller turn on and off some Mosfets that were connected in parallel. I also took the output of the home built generator and used that to charge a large capacitor. During the time the motor was not being powered by the battery I would discharge the cap back into the battery recharging the battery. Eventually after very long run times the battery would start losing charge. So like I said I did not see OU but I have seen run times way beyond what the battery could normally have run that motor and generator combo.
I am still working on making a more efficient generator to get even longer run times. And there are some other tricks to be done to extend the time even more. My system can be combined with the 3BGS system of David Bowling to get even more time. You can learn all about his system by going to the Energetic Forum and looking for the 3BGS thread.
Carroll
PS: I don't really see where gravity has anything to do with the systems shown in the video. It just looks like a flywheel system to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVbfreIHGrI
Free energy for all, yet he does not say nothing about his findings, how typical.
Interresting videos, perhaps related to Pejic.
Why is there a large power cord going under the plywood on the floor? :)
I dont know, I sent him a message asking whats the deal with his thing and if he found anything good, he has been silent.
Anyways, I always come back to this video as our best clue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8
I will run an audio analysis to see if the system was slowing down, it seems to me like there was not that much stored energy in the system to keep it running as long as it did.
As said in the comments, does last an extremely unnaturally long time, considering how much power is actually being continued for about 3 minutes.
Also, it does seem to slow down, as said in the comments, but there is nothing stopping us from re-energizing it also, lets not forget that it did continue for a very long time.
"Proper coil winding" was what he tried to attain, he seem to have concentrate alot on this.