Hi guys,
I decided to start this threat related to the E-Stress Power Generator as I think it is very interesting idea.
Couple month ago I decided to build one , unfortunately it didn't work for me. There is several possibilities why. I am just not sure yet. I would like to know what is your experience or thinking about this type of power generator. Cheers for any advice and comments.
Jan
Here is the actual picture of my device.
It does look kind of like a pineapple, doesn't it?
Your work area is waaay too neat and you don't have enough colored clipleads. Other than that, you are doing fine.
Hey Koala! , do you want me to take a picture of my colorful clipleads which are behind the scene? -around 50 ;) Anyway I would expect some more serious and clever discussion than just judging my work-space :)
The picture just for you Koala ;)
Quote from: John.K1 on April 26, 2014, 07:18:15 AM
Hey Koala! , do you want me to take a picture of my colorful clipleads which are behind the scene? -around 50 ;) Anyway I would expect some more serious and clever discussion than just judging my work-space :)
Well, when you post a full schematic, some scopeshots and some claims with evidence supporting them, I'll do my best to be clever for you.
So far there isn't much to be serious and clever about!
Have you checked all those clipleads to see if there is actually wire in them? I've seen some from China that had nice thick insulation but only a single tiny strand of #34 wire inside.
Ok , for you guys who has no idea what is it about ( like Koala ;) ) please refer to the Patrick's pdf (download here: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/PJKbook.pdf ) page 3-144. I'll make some more info about my device later on. I didn't touch it for two month. So far I remember I have measured the capacitance's 10, 75, 10 nF .
Also I think my dielectric might be too thick for just 60V. In any case I measured almost nothing on the output capacitor. In the write ups they speaks about using the wax-paper (baking paper) I did one such but found some short inside. When I was rebuilding the device I have used heavy duty plastic tape instead as dielectric. Mistake? Possibly.
Gaah. If someone else gives me yet another link to Kelly's famous document I will plotz.
Do you think I just fell off the pumpkin truck yesterday? Please try to give me a little credit, at least.
Thanks Jan for starting this thread.
Here i am attaching the circuit for the new commers.
Yes you are right, it needs very thin dielectric for 60VDC.
Same thing happened for me, my caps retain no charge even a single volt.Also mine caps puncture too. I used kitchen plastic warping sheet for my dielectric.
Regs,
D.J
P.S: if some one need this orignal pdf doc of E-Stress Transformer, i can look for him the link.
http://www.slideshare.net/harisingh/estress-25974444
Hi D.J.
Thank you for comment. As I thought :( . Well, I think I have only two options. One is to rebuild the device with thinner dielectric, and the other is to use HV. But not so high to break through the capacitors. So far I thought- with the thicker dielectric your capacitance goes down. When connected 60V I expected to find there that 60V. But they just disappear as fast as I disconnect power supply and my meter shows quick drop to 2V. There is no way for leakage in my build. I was very careful (based on previous experience :) )
All AL foils are well sealed in the plastic foils- no naked edges.
When I am thinking about it now, I should check it with different voltmeter. I wouldn't be surprised if my meter is not shorting. Last time it behaved strangely- also during the check on capacitor while charging (by HF), hmm.
Also I can see you have used the magnet wires? I use multi-stranded plastic isolated 0.8mm
Anyway D.J. , keep posting, good work!
Jan
Quote from: John.K1 on April 26, 2014, 11:25:27 AM
Hi D.J.
Thank you for comment. As I thought :( . Well, I think I have only two options. One is to rebuild the device with thinner dielectric, and the other is to use HV. But not so high to break through the capacitors. So far I thought- with the thicker dielectric your capacitance goes down. When connected 60V I expected to find there that 60V. But they just disappear as fast as I disconnect power supply and my meter shows quick drop to 2V. There is no way for leakage in my build. I was very careful (based on previous experience :) )
All AL foils are well sealed in the plastic foils- no naked edges.
When I am thinking about it now, I should check it with different voltmeter. I wouldn't be surprised if my meter is not shorting. Last time it behaved strangely- also during the check on capacitor while charging (by HF), hmm.
Also I can see you have used the magnet wires? I use multi-stranded plastic isolated 0.8mm
Anyway D.J. , keep posting, good work!
Jan
I made my coil a month ago.
The wires should be very thin layer of insulation. The point is that coil should be so close to the caps, so they inductively gain charge.
Any way at least this paper gives us a good solid theory about this transformer. And for me it logically work as it mentioned.
I will re-continue my project again, and will share my results.
Thanks for the inspiration.
what is your dielectric material?
Regs,
D.J
Hi D.J.
I will try this one with HV and also will make a new thinner version as you suggested. ;)
I remember now, my problem was I didn't have enough of length of right diameter of magnet wire, that's why I decided to try that wire I have used.
Actually I still do not have. I will have to use probably some small diameter like 0.4. It's gonna be lots of turns :(
It has to work 8)
Cheers
Jan
A little brother done. Firing tomorrow ;)
2 x Eenie Winnie tiny wire 0.2 coils between caps. The dielectric is very thin cellophane. I measured all for shorts -it is fine. Only what surprise me is is the measure of capacitance from inside out : 10nf - 60 nf - 3.5 nf. That 3.5 seems to me a little bit strange-small. It is outer and logically it should have more surface area. Hmm. I do not know. Anyway, tomorrow I will juice it and will see - or not see ;)
Ok, write-ups says:
" The third capacitor Cr, is sandwiched between the interior and exterior capacitors and is independent of Vc.
When the other two capacitors, CDI and CDE, become charged, capacitor Cr becomes charged as well but at a
slightly lower voltage due to dielectric voltage drop. This charging effect is a result of electrostatic induction. "
It looks like the electrostatic induction took a holiday as I do not measure anything on my Cr cap. I went up to 120VDC - and nothing. Only some mVolts.
There is no short or leakage in the build. Only think in my mind could be - I have an dielectric foil between the Copper coil and Al cap plate.
Any idea why or some advice ,wise old members ;) ?
Hi.
Very interesting device.
Non inductive windings shield the inside capacitor from electrostatic induction influence when current flows through them.
From what I understand a static E-field is being used to pump charge into the sandwiched capacitor, and discharge this cap while the shield current flows.
The construction of the device is crucial. There has to be no leaks on the capacitors, and the non inductive wire has to be wound super tight with a small diameter magnet wire and the wire has to cover capacitor plates completely, even with a slight overlap just to be sure.
Looking forward to some experiments with this.
Happy OU hunting to all.
kEhYo
Hi kEhYo
Thanks for your comment.
The theory looks clear and interesting. Unfortunately it doesn't work for me so far. I have no leakage or short .
Actually, could be the problem if my wire doesn't cover capacitor absolutely fully ? On one side the coil finish 1-1.5 mm below the cap end.
Looking forward to see your build. Maybe we will all together figure it out.
Jan
I have tried to put one extra, charged, capacitor to the Ci & Co (in parallel) and it hold the charge for long. It makes me sure there is no leakage. Could be the problem the size of my wires. Maybe they too thin? (0.2mm OD ) Papers say 0.4-0.6mmm. To repeat my problem in general - it doesn't charge my Cr (middle cap) .
Thanks for any advice.
Jan
Hi Jan,
I found your topic interesting since I've been doing tests with foil caps in Tesla coils.
So I built a small version which is still a lot of work to get right. Anyways, after a full day I had a small 3 inch dia. x 2.5 inch tall version.
Well, like you I got nothing, no special effects what so ever. The center cap had small ringing and only due to the coil pulses. Raising or lowering the voltage on the outside caps had no effect on the center cap. I was hoping to see a little something.
Just thought to let you know you're not the only one that got no results.
Luc
Hi Gotoluc.
Yep, some disappointment. What I got on the central cap was amplified 50Hz from mains with some tiny artifacts from the pulsing coils. I found strange effect related to the voltage. Amplification took a place just in right voltage feed to the Cde and Cdi. When I moved away (up or down) from the sweet spot the amplification went down. But we still talk about some mV.
I have also tried to use higher voltage in the pulsing coils (around 50V @ 0.3 A) - it didn't make any difference.
I will try to get a contact to the father of this design.
Cheers
Just small update .
I have tried connect HV to the inner and outer cap and it indeed charged my central cap to around 3V. It also made very sharp and bright sparks and if I am not wrong that is the sign of inflow of cold electricity. In fact you can hear it around the capacitor how the electrons flow in. Without that cap I wouldn't have sparks at all at that low voltage input. I had set my SG to around 10mm. I do not see any usable power going out of this set up now. This is more like an showing it is possible to charge the central cap from the outer caps. Only in this case it was HV AC. I might try tomorrow to rectify it?
Humm :-\ ... I didn't try AC on the outside caps. Could the effect you observe have to do with dielectric break down and charging the central cap?
I'll look into it since the experiments I was doing used AC.
Thanks
Luc
MY CLIP's !!
http://youtu.be/aWtc90FfawA (http://youtu.be/aWtc90FfawA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgXY0Zs2_4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgXY0Zs2_4)
Acca..
Quote from: Acca on April 29, 2014, 05:07:18 PM
MY CLIP's !!
http://youtu.be/aWtc90FfawA (http://youtu.be/aWtc90FfawA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgXY0Zs2_4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgXY0Zs2_4)
Acca..
Hi Acca,
can you do a video of your E-Stress generator operating with the core you made to prove your point.
Thanks for sharing
Luc