If you look at the last drawing on my page, you see how water can be moved up a hill.
http://gmbajszar.wix.com/mbcim#!mouse-wheel-perpetual-motion-machine/cgbn
The box filled with water pulls down, so that produces sucking. We use hoses, but see the picture.
I also have a few working perpetual motion machine concepts toward the bottom of the page,
but need studying the pictures to understand.
This is the first time water can be moved up a hill.
George
Can you post your drawing here,
water move up a hill is nature phenomena. :)
Sure, the concept for water sent up a mountain is here.
Notice a second box inside a box that pulls down with water in it, which then forms a pump that pulls the water up from the neighboring boxes.
George
i don't know,
if there is air in your original drawing, probably your system will end like this. because air is compressible and expandable.
The concept would work, but one has to see that a box is made of two boxes. The lower box pulls down with water in it. Water pours in from above, and the whole system is air tight. Gravity pulls water up through them through a hose. Water comes in at the top because there is a ton of water resting below and creates tremendous pull through the hose. The pull helps water rise in the hose that comes from the bottom of the box to the right. Only water can come out from the bottom of the box. Air cannot pass to the neighboring box.
George
I agree..it works..some time.... ;D
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Hi George !
I think that you can test easy one of your sketches ( lever+wheel ) , playing variable leverage ( a kind of "automata seesaw" ).
There is a lot of proposals , you can read in this forum section , about variable leverage : " Unbalanced weight scale....", "Automat seesaw..." and many others .
The main idea is to play variable leverage and especially to TEST it.
As you know , the diversity of levers (1,2,3 class) opens a large area to play them as self-running gravity powered devices.
One of them , at : www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text036.jpg
Variable / oscillatory leverage is a natural principle , if we intend to join , attach ourselves to a continuous motion around us ("perpetuum mobile").
All we need to do , is to "copy" and TEST a simple "open design" :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGBANgbRkws
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you have to add something to "re-start device" , because it works like a chain of syringes and need to realign pistons
Quote from: forest on May 07, 2014, 10:57:19 AM
you have to add something to "re-start device" , because it works like a chain of syringes and need to realign pistons
:P
Plus air doesn't really "suck" water. External atmosphere pushes on it but only to 33 feet of water.
The weight of the lower bucket in each case is an extra cost option.
Quote from: mscoffman on May 07, 2014, 11:40:14 AM
Plus air doesn't really "suck" water. External atmosphere pushes on it but only to 33 feet of water.
The weight of the lower bucket in each case is an extra cost option.
External atmosphere should not involved.
Someone asked about patent related issues. They are explained on my home page.
http://gmbajszar.wix.com/mbcim
I gave the name to such science that is able to work with gravity as technology 'extra terrestrial pseudo science' or ET pseudo science.
George
Perpetual motion machine version of this idea with constant flowing water back and forth between the two boxes.
Please see [size=78%]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle)[/size]. Your device resembles Robert Boyle's Hydrostatic Paradox.
A siphon needs the output to be at a lower position...
Boyle's device doesn't have extremely low pressure air at the top. The extremely low pressure air pulls the water up in the hose.
Weight drops, the boxes (upper, lower) extend vertically in size and that creates very low pressure air at the top.
George
Hello George,
I'm not sure how your device accomplishes a low pressure. Using the equation for atmospheric pressure at a different altitude we can calculate the pressure on the liquid exposed to the atmosphere. On the low side, say at sea level, the atmospheric pressure is 14.6959(PSI). At the high side, 1000 ft above sea level, the pressure is 14.1726(PSI).
The page below gives the equation... the equation gives Pascals, you can convert to PSI by multiplying by 1.45037738e-4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_pressure
The pressure on the high side isn't as low as one would imagine at such a high elevation.
Good luck!!!
I am not going to explain the concept anymore. But thank you for all the thoughts.
George
Someone asked me a good question: In what condition the lower box moves up (or further down).
Seems to me once the lower box drops there is nothing to bring it back up.
At some point the system would balance itself out and stop.
Anyhoo, here is a real solution using old technology, a hydraulic ram pump.
This technology has been moving water up hills since, roughly, 1797.
This example moves water through 500' of tubing and up a 100' grade.
The first 2:45 is about how he sets up his supply, the rest is the pump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFZYD05I29s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFZYD05I29s)
The only thing that one have to make sure is the lower box really drop, to bring it back it use different mechanism, the system that gmbajszar showing is just around 10 - 20 % of the whole system. IMO