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Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism
Exploring the nature of Magnetism, with regards to the true model of atomic geometry and field mechanics by means of rational physics & logic
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FINAL PROOF of magnetic vortex:
You will REGRET not seeing the 1st time ever proof in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dilk8gcDxac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwn3CqvRumg
I have been killing myself to finish the work, all the original diagrams, and digital validations, and experiments with pyrol. graphite, and my own special creation of ferrofluid, and checking and rechecking.
Owning every book ever published on earth on Magnetism and having 100% FREE time for the past 14 years, and having a lifetime devotion to uncovering magnetism, ....
I dont say casually that I am certain you will be stunned with the results / information.
Lux et Veritas
Author.
Theoria,
I looked at your fist clip and the beginning of the second clip that you linked to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dilk8gcDxac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwn3CqvRumg
All that your two clips do is confirm that the current theory for how magnetic fields work is correct.
So sorry, but your two clips show the "opposite" of what you are stating in your proposition. Your clips with the magnet and the CRT TV confirm that there is no "magnetic vortex."
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 09:36:50 PM\
So sorry, but your two clips show the "opposite" of what you are stating in your proposition. Your clips with the magnet and the CRT TV confirm that there is no "magnetic vortex."
Im so sorry you have no idea what you are talking about.
I have a liquid suspension also showing vortex reciprocation, that does NOT use ferromagnetic material.
My two clips show EXACTLY what I am stating. The fault lay at your own lack of comprehension, try reading the book and stop being a closed minded lemming. ;)
Who says seeing a vortex pattern on a TV screen means that the magnetic field is a vortex? That's your big fail right there. What's going on in your clips is crystal clear to me.
You are just inventing an explanation to lead yourself down your own garden path. Please stop and rethink what you are stating. Those two clips with the magnet and the CRT TV screen disprove what you are stating and they prove the real scientific explanation is correct.
Your problem is that apparently right now you are unable to explain what you are observing when you play with a magnet in front of a CRT TV screen. So your first challenge is to properly explain what you are observing.
You state that you have been studying magnetism for 14 years. How then is it possible that you can't explain what you are observing?
Quote from: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 09:51:59 PM
Who says seeing a vortex pattern on a TV screen means that the magnetic field is a vortex? That's your big fail right there. What's going on in your clips is crystal clear to me.
You havent read the book, I have explained it.
You make many claims, but have no logic for any of it.
Who said the CRT was the only proof? I have liquid suspension models proving the very same thing.
Whats a "big fail" son? Because you made a claim this proves what son? Children make claims, adults back them up.
People that make claims are forced to prove them or back them up, otherwise they have nothing intelligent to contribute on the matter, as per yourself.
I suspect you might be a teenager, there are few adults that have such horrific statements full of claims and senseless rants with no evidence, no logic, no reason behind them.
Run along. ;)
Don't be ridiculous and try puffing out your chest and playing "daddy." You are caving in when you do that. So let's just forget that and move on.
QuotePeople that make claims are forced to prove them or back them up
Exactly, and you are the one making the claim, not me. So I stated that you are wrong about the patterns on the CRT screen and they can be easily explained with conventional magnetic field theory.
So please describe the magnetic field around a disk magnet in detail. Perhaps you have some drawings you can post? Then you need to explain what you see on the CRT screen in detail and how it relates to your theory. Looking at your clips does nothing but show a pattern. You have to explain why that pattern appears.
For example, there is a large circular black area when the magnet is close to the screen. I watched 1 1/2 of your clips and you make no attempt to explain that. Please explain. Why is there a bright white area in the center of the black area? Please explain. Likewise, why do we see the colour banding when the magnet is further away from the screen?
MileHigh
Theoria:
About this clip off yours, "Video 2 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-WgxGc_vcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-WgxGc_vcA)
You take the magnetic viewing film and you point to the lighter line that bisects the magnet and you call it the "dielectric inertial plane." Please see the attached screen shot.
The issue here is that people pick up magnetic viewing film and they see a pattern in it and then they magically fit it into their theories. It's another "garden path" mistake.
Who says that the magnetic viewing film is showing a "dielectric inertial plane?"
Let's start from the basics. What is the magnetic viewing film actually doing and what do light areas mean and what do dark areas mean? Please explain that first, and then please relate that back to what you call a "dielectric inertial plane."
Also, you call the magnetic viewing film, "velocity viewing film." Please explain that in detail with respect to what the magnetic viewing film is doing. What do you mean by "velocity?"
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 10:26:50 PM
So I stated that you are wrong about the patterns on the CRT screen and they can be easily explained with conventional magnetic field theory.
Thats called "restating the claim" its a fallacy son.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 10:26:50 PMSo please describe the magnetic field around a disk magnet in detail.
Its in the book son.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 10:26:50 PMI watched 1 1/2 of your clips and you make no attempt to explain that.
Who said I was DONE making videos? I am not, yet another fallacy from yourself.
Ive made 6 in 2 days, and more tonight.
"there are THOSE THAT DO, and those that TALK about those that DO"
You, are the later of those.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 10:46:19 PM
Please explain that first, and then please relate that back to what you call a "dielectric inertial plane."
its in the book son, and even has lots of diagrams for those who cannot read. Such as yourself perhaps.
And the 3rd edition is due out next month.
The book had just under 250,000 downloads off many many diff. sites in UNDER 10 days.
Ive only had 4 complaints, 2 were senseless rants, 1 person said he "hated the introduction but never read the book"
I dont seek your approval. I retired at age 32, own 4 homes, graduated college 3 years EARLY (was taking classes after high school in the evening).
Im perfectly happy with you hating BOTH the videos AND the book (you never read). ;)
Now run along.
Lux et Veritas
I am waiting for you to respond to my technical questions to back up your claim. If you attempt to deflect from that central theme it's not confidence inspiring.
So far I have seen a person with presumably good intentions with a flawed theory about magnetism that is misreading the CRT patterns and misreading the magnetic viewing film pattern. Hence my questions asking for you to clarify. We will see if you can back up your claims.
It's an important issue. If you are going to put forth a proposition you need to back it up with logic and empirical evidence. What if you attempt to back up your claims and I find some holes in those claims? Will that get you rethinking your proposition and perhaps evolving and learning and getting it right in the long run? That would be to your benefit.
The point being that you can't expect people to just agree with you by default. You are in a place with lots of room for new ideas but that doesn't mean that all new ideas are blindly accepted either. Agreeing by default is ultimately bad. What if your ideas are all wrong? It's an important issue for everyone on this forum.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 11:19:13 PM
So far I have seen a person with presumably good intentions with a flawed theory about magnetism
Another fallacy, you haven't read the book, you have no legit assertions, you have no logic or counter-position.
This is the 4th time you have stated "you're wrong".
Too bad son, but intelligent debates dont work that way, you obviously have no idea how one is conducted.
You have no evidences for anything,
you havent read the book (nor do I care if you do).
As such your senseless and childish rants are senseless, worthless, and do not contribute to a Platonic dialectic (do you know what dielectic is? ).
Goodbye son. If you have something intelligent to say, fine. Otherwise you're just flapping your lips.
Se ignoras te egredere'
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 13, 2014, 11:23:35 PM
Another fallacy, you haven't read the book, you have no legit assertions, you have no logic or counter-position.
This is the 4th time you have stated "you're wrong". Too bad son, but intelligent debates dont work that way, you obviously have no idea how one is conducted.
You have no evidences for anything,
you havent read the book (nor do I care if you do).
As such your senseless and childish rants are senseless, worthless, and do not contribute to a Platonic dialectic (do you know what dielectic is? ).
Goodbye son. If you have something intelligent to say, fine. Otherwise you're just flapping your lips.
Se ignoras te egredere'
I have a little dose of reality for you. I have already seen enough from you to make a very good preliminary qualification about you and your claim and your knowledge and frame of reference. The news for you is that I can easily spin circles around you with respect to this subject matter, and I am certainly not an expert. I don't like to state it like that but I know it, and many people reading this thread know it too. I have the track record and you are the newbie.
So your feigned arrogance is simply not working at all. I hope that you get that.
Let's take an example in your second clip where you come up with a cockamamie explanation for why some of the pins do not move "up" when you invert that "pin impression" novelty toy. Your explanation is wrong. The pins don't move because they have fallen into their lowest MPE state.
I am not going to do the conventional explanation. For starters, you should be able to do the conventional explanation yourself if you have been studying magnetism all these years. So there is a fundamental disconnect there with respect to you and your claimed qualifications. It seems pretty likely to me that you can't in fact offer up a conventional explanation. But the real reason I am not going to do the conventional explanation is that you are making the claim and it's a pseudoscience claim. I can explain what's really happening and that gives you the opening to say, "But I already knew that." Go ahead and offer up the conventional explanation also if you want.
The burden is on you. Convince me and the people that are reading this thread that your claims are not pseudoscience and are in fact explainable and make sense. Show us that you can do it without feigning attitude. I will remind you that I can explain everything conventionally and I can indeed spin circles around you with my eyes closed if I wanted to. What I would prefer is a civil debate with no silliness and no name calling.
Please just back up your claims here and let's have a civil debate. That is presumably why you started this thread. Convince me and others that you are discussing something that has merit and is not in fact pseudoscience. I already asked you half a dozen serious questions, please start there without pointing to your pdf.
MileHigh
This is fun to watch. How many times have we seen this?
Someone shows up, clearly not knowing the history and credentials of the posters on this site, with a "new" Theory of Everything (or Something) and proceeds to lecture from his elevated position of enlightenment, and provides a demonstration or two that clearly do not support his claims at all when properly analyzed. When a highly experienced electronics engineer or technician addresses the _technical issues_ and problems in the claimant's interpretation of what is demonstrated, the claimant immediately starts in with the totally unjustified ad-hominem abuse.
Rather than constructing true experiments that seek to _disprove_ his own hypotheses like a real scientist does, the claimant continues with the ad-hominem abuse of his critics, calling them "son" when they are probably close to twice his age, denigrating their experience and education while bragging about his own. But still not providing any real experimental evidence for his claims, nor experimental evidence that contradicts conventional electromagnetic theory and practice. But he's going to shoot another video! Will it be an experiment testing a null hypothesis with the ability to prove that null is false, or will it be another confirmatory demonstration that cannot prove anything?
Carry on, I'm fetching the popcorn now.
"Dielectric inertial plane".... I am cracking up over that one. That gets a ROFL for sure.
(ETA: It's a good thing that TV has a built in degaussing coil and runs a degauss cycle whenever it's turned on...)
Quote from: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 09:36:50 PM
Theoria,
I looked at your first clip and the beginning of the second clip that you linked to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dilk8gcDxac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dilk8gcDxac)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwn3CqvRumg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwn3CqvRumg)
All that your two clips do is confirm that the current theory for how magnetic fields work is correct.
So sorry, but your two clips show the "opposite" of what you are stating in your proposition. Your clips with the magnet and the CRT TV confirm that there is no "magnetic vortex."
MileHigh
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 13, 2014, 09:40:44 PM
Im so sorry you have no idea what you are talking about.
I have a liquid suspension also showing vortex reciprocation, that does NOT use ferromagnetic material.
My two clips show EXACTLY what I am stating. The fault lay at your own lack of comprehension, try reading the book and stop being a closed minded lemming. ;)
Exactly. Counter a technical argument with an insult or two, that always helps to establish your credibility.
He can't take any criticism at all without dropping his pants and showing more tattoos.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 11:55:43 PM
I have a little dose of reality for you.
I dont respond to senseless claims son,
only logic, counter-proof, and evidences. Of which you have utterly none whatsoever.
If you had something intelligent to contribute, you would have said it already son. ;)
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 14, 2014, 12:59:48 AM
"Dielectric inertial plane".... I am cracking up over that one. That gets a ROFL for sure.
Son, every electrical engineer has heard of "electrical momentum" i.e. dielectric inertia.
proving you have never studied electrical theory.
By the way son, its called "Electrical THEORY" for a reason.
My small little child. I am extremely well read in
Tesla, Faraday, CP Steinmentz, Oliver Heaviside, ......the people that gave us the ENTIRE modern world of AC and DC power generation.
These people speak MUCH about dielectricity, son.
MOST of Teslas work was not in electricity, son, but dielectricity.
I Suggest you write a book, make some videos.
"there are those that DO, and those that TALK about those that DO".
I retired at age 32 and know 7 languages, son. I translate ancient Greek.
Smarter than you, certainly richer than you. Did you graduate from college 3 years early son?
I suggest you put down the Cheetos and go write a book proving me wrong.
Unlike YOU,..........I would actually READ YOUR BOOK. ;)Seek wisdom, son.
Lux et Veritas.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 14, 2014, 12:59:48 AM
, nor experimental evidence that contradicts conventional electromagnetic theory and practice.
Experimented for many years, since I retired at age 32, and am 42 now. MUCH more experimenting than yourself?
Contradict WHAT son?
Prove same. Everything I have said is in accord with JC Maxwell, Faraday, and CP Steinmetz and O. Heaviside.
"I have found great difficulty in conceiving of the existence of vortices in a medium, side by side, revolving in the same direction about
parallel axes. The contiguous portions of consecutive vortices must be moving in opposite directions; and it is difficult to understand
how the motion of one part of the medium can coexist with, and even produce, an opposite motion of a part in contact with it. In (a
mechanical) mechanism, when two wheels are intended to revolve in the same direction, a wheel is placed between them so as to be in
gear with both, and this wheel is called an 'idle wheel'. The hypothesis about the vortices which I have to suggest is that a layer of
particles, acting as idle wheels, is interposed between each vortex and the next, so that each vortex has a tendency to make the
neighboring vortices revolve in the same direction."
- James Clerk MaxwellGodfather of electrical theory.
I suspect the both of you might be teenagers. Children and their claims. Go experiment for years and then write a book proving your premise son.
Talk is very cheap. I do the experiments. ;)
Quote from: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 11:55:43 PM
Convince me and the people that are reading
Little child, why would I ever want to CONVINCE you of anything?
I would be a fool to even WANT to convince you of anything.
Your presumptions are many, your logic is absent, and your dialectical method is nowhere to be found.
"the wise love him for the same reason the fools hate him"- Plato. Ignorance , like anti-freeze, is sweet and dangerous. Try aletheia next time son.
This thread should be a HOOT to follow-looking forward to the next chapter.
I seem to remember going through all this some time ago son,oh, i mean MileHigh.
Next we get to see a magnet in a glass of water,with a current passing through it,and watching the water spin in one direction.Then we reverse the current flow,and we get to see the water spin in the opposite direction.
In time,we then get to see a plasma ball showing spinning plasma,as a magnet is brought close to it.This will be followed by pictures that are suppose to be showing magnetic field lines,when in fact will be electrical field line's.
Quote: An excessively strong magnetic field, whether alternating or constant, may mechanically deform (bend),yes BEND, the shadow mask, causing a permanent color distortion on the display which looks very !!similar!! to a magnetization effect.
@TheoriaApophasis
I respect your background and experience and would like to ask you one question: How do you suggest getting usable energy from a permanent magnet's "field-lines" without using physical movement in relation to a coil?
sincerely,
trueseach
Quote from: tinman on July 14, 2014, 07:49:30 AM
This will be followed by pictures that are suppose to be showing magnetic field lines,when in fact will be electrical field line's.
Poor child, if you ACTUALLY had read the book, I would tell you that what fools think is a "magnet" is an electrified dielectric object
IN WHICH, in perfect condition, is 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism.
Yes, they ARE electrical , however you confuse electricity with dielectricity, but that is ok.
However you, like everyone else, has no idea what a "field" even is. There is no accurate definition of same.
Quote from: truesearch on July 14, 2014, 10:40:17 AM
How do you suggest getting usable energy from a permanent magnet's "field-lines" without using physical movement in relation to a coil?
I nowhere made any such claim of doing so.
I am not part of the "free energy" crowd of fools and nut jobs, and genuine overunity is impossible. One might get "overunity" by drawing enormous power from natural sourced, but thats just "free movement" coupling.
I never mention free energy, or alternative energy, or overunity etc etc.
Well now, this has become a very interesting
exchange of thoughts!
It is always good to see new, (or Old, as this case
may be) mind expanding possibilities. At the
same time it is rather puzzling to see how some
react defensively in response to what is perceived
a threat to the way they understand things.
You've said it well Th.Ap. It is very refreshing
to observe how you "handle" those who would
want to disagree.
Let us hope that the end result of this discussion
will prove to be very positive and enlightening.
Carry on Gentlemen...
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 03:32:06 AM
Experimented for many years, since I retired at age 32, and am 42 now. MUCH more experimenting than yourself?
Contradict WHAT son? Prove same. Everything I have said is in accord with JC Maxwell, Faraday, and CP Steinmetz and O. Heaviside.
"I have found great difficulty in conceiving of the existence of vortices in a medium, side by side, revolving in the same direction about
parallel axes. The contiguous portions of consecutive vortices must be moving in opposite directions; and it is difficult to understand
how the motion of one part of the medium can coexist with, and even produce, an opposite motion of a part in contact with it. In (a
mechanical) mechanism, when two wheels are intended to revolve in the same direction, a wheel is placed between them so as to be in
gear with both, and this wheel is called an 'idle wheel'. The hypothesis about the vortices which I have to suggest is that a layer of
particles, acting as idle wheels, is interposed between each vortex and the next, so that each vortex has a tendency to make the
neighboring vortices revolve in the same direction." - James Clerk Maxwell
Godfather of electrical theory.
I suspect the both of you might be teenagers. Children and their claims. Go experiment for years and then write a book proving your premise son.
Talk is very cheap. I do the experiments. ;)
Baby boy, I have experimental _notebooks_ that are older than you are. You have no idea to whom you are talking when you talk to Mile High, Tinman or me with your disrespect and false claims. Carry on digging yourself deeper and deeper holes, sweet child. And it's very clear that you have no hope of understanding what I've written _and published_ in major scientific journals, so you can push your nonsense off on someone else. Kiss kiss, little deluded dreamer.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 01:58:58 PM
Poor child, if you ACTUALLY had read the book, I would tell you that what fools think is a "magnet" is an electrified dielectric object
IN WHICH, in perfect condition, is 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism.
Are you quite sure it's not 3.23607 parts? Maybe it's 3.23605 parts and your pencil was stuck.
Quote
Yes, they ARE electrical , however you confuse electricity with dielectricity, but that is ok.
However you, like everyone else, has no idea what a "field" even is. There is no accurate definition of same.
Go ahead, genius. Build something using "your" delusions that can't be fully explained and understood by conventional physics. You can't. Now explain how a television set works using "your" delusions. You can't.
You are providing much amusement, script kiddie. Keep it up!
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 14, 2014, 06:11:51 PM
Baby boy, I have experimental _notebooks_ that are older than you are.
Proving PLATO right yet again "He is old, but not wise" - Plato
"Learned and old he is, but only AGE has grown on him, but NOT the fruit of wisdom"- Samyutta Nikaya
Tesla did more and invented more FAR younger than you. Your "very old notes" prove one thing:
Youve been (intellectually) ....... "banging your head against the wall for a LONG TIME" ;)
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 14, 2014, 06:11:51 PM
understanding what I've written _and published_ in major scientific journals
Let me explain something to you son, in honest respect. The worst FILTH to come from current science is "peer reviewed" trash from Academia.
Did you expect a wise and intelligent person like myself to FALL FOR nonsense like "virtual photons" and the TRASH of GR and QM (quantum mechanics)?
"Where common sense and intuition failed, we (the insane relativists) had to create a new form of intuition based upon abstract
(unreal) mathematics. When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense."
-Leonard Susskind, professor theoretical physics, and priest of the cult of QuantumQuantum insanity: "Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real." – N. Bohr
Quantum insanity: "The more you see how strange nature behaves, the harder it is for us to make a model that explains even the how
the most simple phenomena works. Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit." – R. Feynman
"nothing true is popular, and nothing POPULAR is true" Your "popular journals" appeal to POPULAR MINDS, son.
The ancient Pali term for popular (puthujjana) is the SAME WORD for idiot. ;)
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 14, 2014, 06:15:01 PM
Go ahead, genius. Build something using "your" delusions that can't be fully explained and understood by conventional physics. You can't
I have 4 patents, how about yourself?
Conventional Physics (as meant GR and QM BS) doesnt even know what a FIELD is
Physics has never EVER defined
1. a field
2. instant action at a distance
3. magnetic reciprocation.
Forget about anything I build son, Physics doesnt even understand the elemental forces of nature. (of which MOST genuine scientists will ADMIT THIS FACT)
So, your INSANE premise that physics can BOTH "explain everything" and they in fact do NOT know how the fudamental forces WORK, OR what a FIELD is
.....that son, is proof you are both unwise, and full of hubris and insanity. ;)
" fully explained " what son? You would have to understand fundamental forces and what a FIELD IS (at the very least) to " fully explain" ANYTHING
Your breed of insanity wont penetrate the mind of the wise, only fools.
Such drama!
Anyway, Theora you haven't responded to any of my basic technical questions. I was tempted to list them, perhaps later.
My fundamental point is that your propositions don't make sense and you don't have any evidence to support your model. I am asking you to provide a logical argument to back up your claims! You play with that giant neodymium magnet in a new clip and you talk about field procession as per the diagrams in your pdf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FesNe2UKcJQ
But of course one more time you are observing ordinary effects that most children have observed when playing with magnets.
Then in the attached images you look at what you see on the CRT screen and show your analysis. All that you have to do is use a compass to map out the magnetic field in 3D space. That is direct observable evidence for what is taking place! Keep it simple and analyze what the compass is telling you without injecting stuff from "above."
Quote from: MileHigh on July 14, 2014, 07:33:05 PM
My fundamental point is that your propositions don't make sense
Im going to (try) teach you a lesson
it seems you cannot learn son. When you make a CLAIM over and over and over, and give no reasons, no logic, no evidence for it,
merely stating "you're wrong" to myself 5 times over and over and over.Thats called a
"restating the claim fallacy". Go look it up son.
same double hyperbola and accretion disk as seen in galactic jets
That beautiful colour image you see on the CRT screen is being produced because of the presence of a classic 'donut' shaped toroidal magnetic field produced by the disk magnet! I swear!
Quote from: MileHigh on July 14, 2014, 07:45:44 PM
That beautiful colour image you see on the CRT
CRT demo is only ONE demo out of 6 different ones I use. If you,
pathetically, think Im merely using CRT as a demo AND/OR proof, then you are deluded.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 07:56:48 PM
CRT demo is only ONE demo out of 6 different ones I use. If you, pathetically, think Im merely using CRT as a demo AND/OR proof, then you are deluded.
You are trying to change the subject! You are still looking at a donut.
In a couple of places in your clips you comment about the concept of 'electrical inertia' in a coil and you relate that to a flywheel. I apologize I can't find were you state that in your clips again it would take too long. That is a valid concept but the problem is that your description of what was 'under the hood' went into vectors and other stuff. Can you comment on that and describe the analogy? Then I will comment.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 14, 2014, 08:02:52 PM
your clips you comment about the concept of 'electrical inertia' in a coil
I refer to electrical engineering texts referring t
o dielectricity as "electrical inertia"
JC Maxwell says the same thing. So does Oliver Heaviside.
Heard of them, (i assume)?
Hey! I am asking you for your thoughts and your words. Please share your thoughts.
Looks like it's becoming a "Turf War."
You're doing just fine Th.Ap.
The Eagles said it best. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6FsnmaJrQQ)
This is perhaps their best work. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-NlR54PqLw)
Quote from: MileHigh on July 14, 2014, 08:14:17 PM
Hey! I am asking you for your thoughts and your words. Please share your thoughts.
My thoughts are in the book.
3rd edition will be out in a month using MANY OTHER models.
I stated before to you, I am not out to convince anyone of anything. If you want to send a pic of yourself wiping your fanny with the front page of the book, thats fine too.
I don't believe in converting or "convincing" people.
Praise wisdom Lux et Veritas
Quote from: SeaMonkey on July 14, 2014, 08:19:43 PM
Looks like it's becoming a "Turf War."
No, no "war". Nothing at all like that.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis
No, no "war". Nothing at all like that.
From your perspective I understand fully.
You're doing a magnificent job of keeping
the tensions down.
There are some here who look at this as
being their turf, however, and may even
be resentful of new talent which may
usurp their influence or diminish their
imagined status.
Those of us who seek truth and knowledge
(even wisdom) welcome your contributions.
Theora,
Your book is a copy-pasteagasm. It's a new word I just invented. You wrote the book but you can't say anything, only point to your book? ha ha
SeaMonkey:
You are getting a raging pulseon.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh
SeaMonkey:
You are getting a raging pulseon.
MileHigh
Aye, isn't it beautiful? 8)
Do I sense a bit of envy in your tone? :P
I suppose you're wishing you had one too... :-* ;)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 02:02:32 PM
I nowhere made any such claim of doing so.
I am not part of the "free energy" crowd of fools and nut jobs, and genuine overunity is impossible. One might get "overunity" by drawing enormous power from natural sourced, but thats just "free movement" coupling.
I never mention free energy, or alternative energy, or overunity etc etc.
Look up at the top of your computer screen. Can you read? What is the name of this forum?
Kiss kiss, sweetheart.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 08:11:32 PM
I refer to electrical engineering texts referring to dielectricity as "electrical inertia"
JC Maxwell says the same thing. So does Oliver Heaviside.
Heard of them, (i assume)?
Can you cite a proper reference that supports this contention? Go ahead, you can do it if you try. Show exactly where Maxwell and Heaviside say that dielectricty is electrical inertia. Or cite properly an electrical engineering text.
@Tinselkoala......
I realize that you have got miffed and may be in plan B of now engaging in a War Of Words. However.....
During the late 1800s there was widespread belief in the physics community that inertia and momentum (and even,you know, gravity :o) was explained by electric and magnetic field actions and reactions. It was variously described as electric inertia, magnetic inertia, electromagnetic inertia, whatever.
Surely you remember that.
CANGAS 53
Quote from: CANGAS on July 15, 2014, 04:22:44 AM
Surely you remember that.
obviously he doesnt
He can look here for much on same RE: dielectric inertia....... (however I wont give him the honor of the page number)
Maybe he can read it (for the first time ever)
MileHigh & TK.
No one will ever match your comedy-thats for sure. Never laughed this hard for some time now-copy-pastergasm MH ;D Odd thing is,most of it(the comedy)is based around facts,wich makes it even better lol.
I was going to ask if the bloch wall was going to come into this sooner or later,but i see that's been replaced with spider gear's :P
Quote from: CANGAS on July 15, 2014, 04:22:44 AM
@Tinselkoala......
I realize that you have got miffed and may be in plan B of now engaging in a War Of Words. However.....
During the late 1800s there was widespread belief in the physics community that inertia and momentum (and even,you know, gravity :o) was explained by electric and magnetic field actions and reactions. It was variously described as electric inertia, magnetic inertia, electromagnetic inertia, whatever.
Surely you remember that.
CANGAS 53
Well there was the Feynmans paradox i guess.
A superconducting solenoid is mounted on a plastic disc that is free to rotate on a frictionless axle. Around the periphery of the disc are embedded small, charged spheres. A constant current initially circulates in the solenoid. The disc is initially at rest. There is a magnetostatic field.
As the solenoid temperature rises toward room temperature, the coil loses its superconductivity. At some temperature the current begins to drop toward zero. dB/dt is nonzero as the current drops, and a circulating E field is induced. Each charged ball experiences a tangential electric force. There is a nonzero torque, and the disc begins to rotate.
According to Feynman, here is the paradox: the initial angular momentum is supposedly zero, and hence the final angular momentum should also be zero.
Yes-a copy-pastergasm.
TA
Most of what you present is theory,or your belief's(as you stated in a previous post).
But your thread is titled :Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex
Where is this ultimate proof of this magnetic vortex-i see only thought's(your own book's) and theories.
Question-Is this vortex stationary,or dose it rotate/in motion ?.
Quote from: tinman on July 15, 2014, 06:53:33 AM
TA
Most of what you present is theory,or your belief's(as you stated in a previous post).
But your thread is titled :Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex
Where is this ultimate proof of this magnetic vortex-i see only thought's(your own book's) and theories.
Question-Is this vortex stationary,or dose it rotate/in motion ?.
I answer all of that IN the book, which you obviously never read.
As for what you think is a "Bloch wall", that, Sir, IS what is "driving" every magnet
Do you even know how a "magnet" is created? dumped charged capacitor banks spin up in geometric magneto-dielectric incommensurability the magnetic and dielectric fields to MAKE the specific geometry.
As a crude analogy, that "bloch wall" is the dielectric 'flywheel' that is powering the macro-magnetic phenomena that people think makes it "a magnet"
What YOU or ANYONE thinks you "know" about the so-called Bloch wall (and you will find VERY little on this 'out there') is both nonsense, rubbish, and 100% incomplete.
its a powerful and CHARGED dielectric object with ATTRIBUTIONAL magnetic field reciprocation.
I have proof after proof, another 40 pages to add, 7 diff. physical demonstrations of same.
Do you even OWN a magnetometer? have you ever measured WHAT or why the Gauss reading in EXTREMELY high on the edge, and also HIGH at the dead center? and LOW in the intermediate?
I have an invention however I have only shown 4 people that gives about a 20+ second demonstration window of a genuine tornado-like vortex over any magnet.
A patent lawyer I used before has been contacted and I meet next week.
That 8th device, my invention, you will not see, because nothing like it exists, and I am going to patent it.
Believe that, fine, dont believe it, I also dont care.
As stated, I have NO interest in converting or convincing ANYONE of anything.
Lux et Veritas
officialy off topic.
popcorn time ratings:
scale 1 - 10 stars
TheoriaApophasis: 10 stars
Milehigh: 1 star
Tinsel Koala: -1 star
negative stars created special for TK
TheoriaApophasis almost lost one star for calling them son because they are actually the other gender.
carry on girls
:P
Quote from: CANGAS on July 15, 2014, 04:22:44 AM
@Tinselkoala......
I realize that you have got miffed and may be in plan B of now engaging in a War Of Words. However.....
During the late 1800s there was widespread belief in the physics community that inertia and momentum (and even,you know, gravity :o ) was explained by electric and magnetic field actions and reactions. It was variously described as electric inertia, magnetic inertia, electromagnetic inertia, whatever.
Surely you remember that.
CANGAS 53
Let me remind you of the original statement:
QuoteI refer to electrical engineering texts referring to dielectricity as "electrical inertia"
JC Maxwell says the same thing. So does Oliver Heaviside.
Heard of them, (i assume)?
So where is the reference that supports the actual claim made by our Tattooed Genius? Show me where Heaviside or Maxwell or an "electrical engineering text" refers to
dielectricity as "electrical inertia".Have you forgotten how to cite a reference too? Posting an image of a frontispiece is not how it's done.
Once you've found your reference and can cite it properly, we will move on to see if that definition (if you can find it) applies to the color patterns one sees with green magnetic field viewing film.
Quote from: steeltpu on July 15, 2014, 03:04:47 PM
officialy off topic.
popcorn time ratings:
scale 1 - 10 stars
TheoriaApophasis: 10 stars
Milehigh: 1 star
Tinsel Koala: -1 star
negative stars created special for TK
TheoriaApophasis almost lost one star for calling them son because they are actually the other gender.
carry on girls
:P
QuoteDo you even know how a "magnet" is created? dumped charged capacitor banks spin up in geometric magneto-dielectric incommensurability the magnetic and dielectric fields to MAKE the specific geometry.
As a crude analogy, that "bloch wall" is the dielectric 'flywheel' that is powering the macro-magnetic phenomena that people think makes it "a magnet"
What a HOOT! You people really crack me up. "SteelTPU" whose name reflects one of the biggest hoaxes ever put out on the internet, and the Tattooed Genius spouting gobbledegook and insults! Great thread folks! Meanwhile... television sets work, but the Genius can't explain them, and TPUs don't work, but he can explain them just fine.
Go ahead, cut a bar magnet in half along the "Bloch Wall". Funny sort of slippery "wall" isn't it, that suddenly doubles itself, moves around, and now you have two, one in each half of your original magnet. That's OU, two from one!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 02:00:27 PM
.....
I have an invention however I have only shown 4 people that gives about a 20+ second demonstration window of a genuine tornado-like vortex over any magnet.
A patent lawyer I used before has been contacted and I meet next week.
That 8th device, my invention, you will not see, because nothing like it exists, and I am going to patent it.
Believe that, fine, dont believe it, I also dont care.
As stated, I have NO interest in converting or convincing ANYONE of anything.
Lux et Veritas
That must be why you are arguing with and insulting people on the Overunity Open Source Forum website. I understand you a lot better now.
Quote from: TinKoa
Go ahead, cut a bar magnet in half along the "Bloch Wall". Funny sort of slippery "wall" isn't it, that suddenly doubles itself, moves around, and now you have two, one in each half of your original magnet. That's OU, two from one!
Not unless each retains the strength of the original. 8)
Really nothing strange about how certain manifestations
are able to find their proper center in whatever medium
they may exist. ;)
Suddenly the Champion of Self-Study and Research becomes
the crybaby demanding to be spoon-fed. :o
Old-Age making its debut? :)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on July 15, 2014, 03:47:42 PM
Not unless each retains the strength of the original. 8)
Really nothing strange about how certain manifestations
are able to find their proper center in whatever medium
they may exist. ;)
Suddenly the Champion of Self-Study and Research becomes
the crybaby demanding to be spoon-fed. :o
Old-Age making its debut? :)
Non-responsive gobbledegook word salad. Support your claims with facts, checkable outside references or valid demonstrations of your own. If you don't know how... look at my YT channel and my forum posts. If you cannot support your claims ... that is really your problem, not mine. In fact... I really cannot recall seeing _anything_ substantive from you, Sea Monkey, in all the time you've been posting your hard-carriage-return posts. Those who can, do. Those who only post unsupported arguments on internet forums, evidently can't do anything else.
You cannot show any place where I have "demanded to be spoon-fed". I demand that people give checkable references for their silly claims. Can YOU cite a proper reference that shows that Heaviside or Maxwell or an engineering text says that "dielectricity is electrical inertia" ? Show some formulae that derive the relationship?
Of course you cannot.
I strive to keep my postings concise, brief
and with as little verbiage as possible. ;)
Easily read by all who peruse these pages. :)
Some see only what they desire to see. ::)
Some are addicted to repartee and the
adrenalin rush of conflict. :o
You're losing this one big time. 8)
Quote TA: I have proof after proof, another 40 pages to add, 7 diff. physical demonstrations of same.
Cool-when do we get to see the spinning water around a magnet?-Then i'll show you something that will confuse the hell out of you ???
There is no Bloch wall in a bar magnet or in a disk magnet! lol
My cries, cries, cries, go unrecognized. :'(
I suspect you're right about that MilesHigher.
I've never liked the term "Bloch Wall."
But there is definitely something there at
that spot or location.
Quote from: tinman on July 15, 2014, 06:53:33 AM
Question-Is this vortex stationary,or dose it rotate/in motion ?.
reciprocation and rotation are necessitated. The angles and rate of precession are mentioned in the book.
Definitionally a "stationary vortex" isnt / cannot be a vortex, rather would be a CONE. No such creature exists.
Electrostatic charged pyrolytic dusted-graphite in mineral oil shows BOTH the centripetal and centrifugal vortex.microbeading ferrofuild in 100% isopropyl alcohol shows the increasing (to center point) centripetal vortex in live-motion.
and another device I am in the works, which works best, of getting a patent on, works better than all of them.
I am presenting another video demo of the same vortex using a dangerous 6 inch by 2" neodymium. That video is in the works.
along with maybe 10 more videos on other points.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 15, 2014, 06:11:47 PM
There is no Bloch wall in a bar magnet or in a disk magnet! lol
What you think is a "bloch wall" is a dielectric 'flywheel' which 'drives' the entire "magnet"
However only a magnetically induced object is a genuine "magnet", what you and others call a "magnet" is a dielectric object.
Field Incommensurability necessitates (as does anyone who knows this fact),
that you can CUT a magnet a 100,000 times top to bottom and you will still have both "poles" (a wrong term if ever there was one)
and the inertial plane. Point inspecific self-similarity in ANY point in a 'perfect' "magnet" is field incommensurability.
I am not sure which Bloch wall you are referring to because I said that your run of the mill magnet has no Bloch walls. Back to flywheels again. An inductor is like a flywheel. Also, a capacitor is like a flywheel. This applies to both with respect to the energy dynamics and the two-terminal behaviour. I agree with you that there are no actual North and South poles. Common ground there!
Quote from: MileHigh on July 15, 2014, 10:01:24 PM
I am not sure which Bloch wall you are referring to because I said that your run of the mill magnet has no Bloch walls.
Impossible, they all do by sheer definition alone. (see bottom picture)
Quote from: MileHigh on July 15, 2014, 10:01:24 PM
Back to flywheels again. An inductor is like a flywheel. Also, a capacitor is like a flywheel.
Yes, what did you think a "magnet" was? ..... A capacitor bank discharge into the PRE-"magnet" increases the inter-atomic dielectric which creates the macro-magnetic values which we (dumb humans) so deem it "a magnet".
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 10:32:02 PM
Impossible, they all do by sheer definition alone. (see bottom picture)
Yes, what did you think a "magnet" was? ..... A capacitor bank discharge into the PRE-"magnet" increases the inter-atomic dielectric which creates the macro-magnetic values which we (dumb humans) so deem it "a magnet".
Theoria:
This guy is the real thing:
https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos
An interesting one from the channel:
Calculating the Magnetic Field Due to a Moving Point Charge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waTF7kjmmt8&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 15, 2014, 11:13:12 PM
Theoria:
This guy is the real thing:
Hes real to be sure, a priest of the cult of Quantum.
Now contact him and tell him to define what a FIELD is. He cant. He has no clue.
Ive seen 6 of his videos, 100% descriptions, and 0% explanations.The world is ripe with intelligent fools that can tell you what a magnet "does"
and utterly VOID of HOW, WHY, and WHAT.
Its divinely fitting that a describer is your hero.
He also thinks that electrons exist. The magical (and non-existent) "discharge" particle. ;DThat alone proves him a fool.
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the
'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the
magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" - C.P. Steinmetz (Electric
Discharges, Waves and Impulses)
The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged
Heaviside to begin a series of writings
"Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve
Biller
"Here we will dispel the "electronics nerd" concept that a capacitor stores "electrons" in its plates. Taking the pair of copper plates
as in the previous experiment, but now we have two pairs of plates, one pair of plates distant from the other pair of plates. Upon one
pair of plates is imposed an electro-static potential between them. The cube of 10-C oil is inserted between this "charged" set of plates.
This hereby establishes a dielectric field of induction within the unit cube of 10-C oil. Now we then remove this cube of oil,
withdrawing it from the space bounded by the charged pair of copper plates, and taking this unit cube of oil, it is then inserted into the
space bounded by the other uncharged pair of plates. Upon insertion it is found that the un-charged pair of plates have now in fact
become charged also. It here can be seen that a cube of dielectric induction can be carried through space, from one set of plates to
another set of plates." – E. Dollard
Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end
of one unit line of dielectric induction.
You cannot say that stretching a trillion rubber bands nailed to the floor and releasing them or breaking their "force lines" is the
"flow of electrons"; discharge is a terminal movement in systems of inductance or dielectric capacitance. There are no discrete
particles in the universe and certainly none that mediate charges, discharges, magnetism, electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation,
only fields, all modalities of the Ether. The so-called 'electrons' are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle
of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "electrons", nor assuredly are there energy
discharges in the vacuum of space involving 'electrons'; the 'electron' is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty
mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist. Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization;
magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge;
dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q;
'electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.
Sorry, no discharge (Unicorn) particles.
Sell that Kool Aide to the sheeple. Trust him or you, or CP Steinmetz??? Tough decision on that one. ::)
"Scientists today think deeply rather than clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.
Todays scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander thru equation after equation, and eventually build a
structure which has no basis in reality." – Nikola Tesla
Yeah I am familiar with the story. You are even edging into Zipon territory. From past experience people that argue this stuff can't solve a simple circuit.
In many cases electrons are like tumbleweeds in the wind. The wind is like the electric field. That's the ticket.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 15, 2014, 11:59:06 PM
The wind is like the electric field. That's the ticket.
Too bad you cannot define
FIELD
I however can.
Wind ehhh? , now youre just glossing the term ETHER/Aether. How sweet that is.
"The word Ether has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics only because its past association with opposition to
relativity. This is unfortunate because stripped of these connotations, it nicely captures the way most physicists actually thin about the
vacuum. The modern concept of vacuum space confirmed by every experiment is a relativistic Ether. But we do not call it this because
Ether is a taboo term." - Robert B. Laughlin
All electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force (as reified by the incorrect
understanding of the definition of a 'field'), these pressure gradients, or "lines" are contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving
motion to the terminus 'electron'. The thermionic 'electron' contracts, pulling the 'electron', the cathode ray stretching, pulled by the
'electron'. In the former case the lines of force are dissipated, in the latter case the line of force are projected, in both cases these socalled
'electrons' assume radial motions, with non participating pressure gradients, or forces filling the 'voids', directing the
'electrons'. Hence, it is the so-called 'electrons' (dielectric radial discharges) that travel in straight lines, that is, radially. 'Electrons'
have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; the so-called 'electrons' are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. 'Electrons' are in
fact the resistance. From extensive experimental work into atomic electrical science by J. J. Thompson, and Nikola Tesla, it is
established that the so-called electron is only a shadow; its apparent-only physical mass is merely an electrical momentum (ejected by
the dielectric inertia in disturbance). There is no rest mass to an electron nor could there be logically, a rest-electron 'bead'; such
notions are absurd and evidence proven non-existent. The very premise is logically impossible and contradicts the rational physics of
atomic charges and discharges.
"In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to
give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the
influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto
remained obscure to us." - Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916
There is no such condition in nature as a negatively charge particle nor could there be. Charge and discharges are opposite
conditions of a single subject, either protons or fields of movements and radiation of those same electrical fields. To claim that liquid
in a jar (charged) is one thing, and pouring that liquid from the jar (discharge) is another liquid altogether, is nonsense, likewise
compression and expansion are opposite conditions of a single subject. Compressing bodies are charging into higher potential
conditions. Conversely, expanding bodies are discharging into lower potential conditions.
"To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is
no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite
conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions." – W. Russell
Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit. One corpuscle
terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of
what today is known incorrectly as an "electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W.
Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether." – E. Dollard
With the introduction of the so-called 'electron' by Thomson and the supposed debunking of the Ether theory, the golden age of
electrical discovery ended. Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower was demolished. His work and that of other Ether researchers fell into
disrepute. They were relentlessly attacked by mainstream science, something that continues to this day. As a result, the days of Etherdriven,
electrical discovery petered-out, finally ending around 1930. As a direct and intentional result of the academic physics theory,
the methodology behind the brilliant inventiveness of previous generations was all but wiped out and replaced by an unproductive
particle physics. This, from the cult of quantum, a fraudulent collusion and academic hubris-based pseudo-conspiracy based in "deep
thinking insanity" designed by mathematical physics.
"There is no energy in matter other than that received from its environment (as meant Ether fields)."
– Nikola Tesla
Do you see? I told you.
The Tattooed Genius cannot provide any reference for his assertion that Maxwell and Heaviside or electrical engineering texts say that "dielectricity is electrical inertia". Nor can he explain how CRT televisions work, since he denies the existence of electrons. He will have trouble describing what the electron beam guns emit, and how they can be so precisely designed by people who DO believe in electrons and who would instantly reject his silly word-salads. Nor can he use his "theory" to design anything that works in any "unconventional" manner.
So he will simply continue to post his pretty graphics and insult his betters with nonsense and diatribe. Carry on.
(He cites a 98 year old quote from Einstein.. who would have instantly understood a modern CRT television set for exactly what it is... in an attempt to support his position. It is to laugh.)
QuoteOne corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of
what today is known incorrectly as an "electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W.
Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether." – E. Dollard
Eric Dollard now! This guy cracks me up over and over again. Faradic Tube of Force. Quantifies as One Coulomb. Hey, Apophis, you are on the wrong forum. You should go here, where your ideas will get the reception they truly deserve:
http://www.energy-shiftingparadigms.com/
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 12:09:40 AM
, since he denies the existence of electrons. He will have trouble describing what the electron beam guns
Your mind doesnt work well son. Tesla used the term electron. However he also DENIED that same was a particle.
You've committed the fallacy of REIFICATION.
There are no electron beam guns, son. I know EXACTLY what they emit.
The 'electron microscope' lieThere are no negatively "charged" particles in this universe. Negative electricity discharges while positive electricity charges. The
negative depolarizing force functions in the opposite manner and direction to the positive polarizing force.
"Always question the academic who tells you he's manipulating particles that nobody has never witnessed. Countless particles are
created in the Atomistic religion of quantum as demonstrable redesignations of electrical and magnetic effects and fields. An entire
academic pantheon of liars is established to perpetrate this nonsense."
"Because the SEM (scanning electron microscope) utilizes vacuum conditions and uses 'electrons' to form an image, special
preparations must be applied to the sample. All water must be removed from the samples because the water would vaporize in the
vacuum. All metals are conductive and require no preparation before being used.
All non-metals need to be made conductive by
covering the sample with a thin layer of conductive material. This is done by using a device called a "sputter coater". The sputter
coater uses an electric field and argon gas. The sample is placed in a small chamber that is at a vacuum. Argon gas and an electric field
cause an 'electron' to be removed from the argon, making the atoms positively charged. The argon ions then become attracted to a
negatively charged gold foil. The argon ions knock gold atoms from the surface of the gold foil. These gold atoms fall and settle onto
the surface of the sample producing a thin gold coating "
Only conductive (metal) samples are suitable for "electron" microscopy untreated, all other samples are metal treated to prevent
them from burning up in the intense dielectric beam. The resulting image is therefore of the metal coating or stain and not the original
sample! Never believe a relativist telling you he's "shooting his electron gun".
A metal dielectric reflector of a once living organism is
not the original sample nor are there electrons scanning it. This device in reality is a dielectric scanning reflector, which produces fine
images as only reflected off metal surfaces. The very focusing beams of these microscope are constrictor "lenses" of dielectric flux
lines.
Even the idiot Einstein understood the BS and implication of a "discharge particle" :
"In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to
give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the
influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto
remained obscure to us."
- Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916
You lost that one, NEXT
Wrong again, buddy boy. You can shout and moan and insult all you like, but you can't deny the existence of electron microscopes, or CRT electron beam guns! They don't actually care if you redefine them.. they are what they are and you are utterly and stupidly wrong. But your insufferable ego will never let you rest. You are the next most textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Go ahead, you still haven't provided the reference for your stupid assertion about Maxwell, Heaviside, ee texts saying dielectricity is electrical inertia, and you still cannot design anything with your "theory" that can't be done with conventional electrical engineering and physics. The proof is in the DOING and you cannot do.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 12:09:40 AM
Faradic Tube of Force. Quantifies as One Coulomb.
Those were the words of JJ Thomson himself, NOT E. Dollard.
Lost again, insert 25 cents more and try again.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 12:18:43 AM
Those were the words of JJ Thomson himself, NOT E. Dollard.
Lost again, insert 25 cents more and try again.
Keep it up, silly boy. You are just digging yourself in deeper and deeper. Go ahead and show a MODERN REFERENCE to a "faradic tube of force" and show how it "quantifies" to one Coulomb. You cannot.
QuoteSince the charge of one electron is known to be about 1.60217657×10−19 coulombs, a coulomb can also be considered to be the charge of roughly 6.241509324×1018 electrons (or protons), the reciprocal of 1.60217657×10−19.
Go ahead, refute that.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 12:18:26 AM
conventional electrical engineering and physics. The proof is in the DOING and you cannot do.
ad hominem and baseless claims. I retired at 32, Ive been experimenting all my life.
I didnt deny the "electron microscope" son, only yours and others BS definition of what is being emitted.
ALL subjects in said microscope that aren't metallic, are coated in a CONDUCTOR.
Yes, as necessitated to make a dielectric imaging device.
"To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is
no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite
conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions."
Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit. One corpuscle
terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of
what today is known incorrectly as an "electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W.
Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether."
With the introduction of the so-called 'electron' by Thomson and the supposed debunking of the Ether theory, the golden age of
electrical discovery ended. Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower was demolished. His work and that of other Ether researchers fell into
disrepute. They were relentlessly attacked by mainstream science, something that continues to this day. As a result, the days of Etherdriven,
electrical discovery petered-out, finally ending around 1930. As a direct and intentional result of the academic physics theory,
the methodology behind the brilliant inventiveness of previous generations was all but wiped out and replaced by an unproductive
particle physics. This, from the cult of quantum, a fraudulent collusion and academic hubris-based pseudo-conspiracy based in "deep
thinking insanity" designed by mathematical physics.
You lost again. Insert 25 cents more. ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 12:20:46 AM
Go ahead and show a MODERN REFERENCE
Thats a bandwaggon fallacy. "most people are Christians or muslims, therefore if you arent, then you are wrong"
Sorry, I only "do" logic and retroductive methodology. Not nonsense
You've been chasing dragons all your life son. Now you're upset to learn that dragons (unicorn particles and pixie dust) dont exist.
Ill stick with the people that invented the modern world
Tesla,
Faraday
Maxwell
Steinmetz
Heaviside.
Im on their side. The side of the people that actually invented the modern world, son.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 12:18:26 AM
The proof is in the DOING and you cannot do.
I hold 4 patents,........... yourself?
;D ;D
"there are those that DO, and those that TALK about those that DO"
You need to take a break and read Tesla, or Maxwell
Very sad but at least Tesla is becoming a bigger figure every day. Google's Elon Musk just donated a million dollars for the new Tesla museum. Tesla is becoming more in the spotlight every day. Who will remember Paris in a hundred years ? Or even 50 years.
They just need to rewrite some history and science books now.
All your explanations TheoriaApophasis ..... I'm beginning to see it. In fact it is making way too much good sense ;)
So TK you always talk about needing proof. I want some proof now from you. Show me a picture of an electron. I mean a real picture and not those fuzzy IBM pics of some molecules which are no more than pics of a field. Well ? ........ sinister laughing
Quote from: e2matrix on July 16, 2014, 01:12:10 AM
Tesla is becoming more in the spotlight every day.
Yes, but the cult of Quantum and Relativity demons are still roaming the halls of academia like roaches in packs.
They invent a new "unicorn particle" every time they need something new to make their equations balance out. ;D
Ive debated quite a few, what really makes them INSANELY MAD is ask them simple questions like a child would.
"whats a field really?"
"define instant action at a distance since this eliminates particles as mediators"
"define particle-less charge / induction please".
I have a 1000 such questions I love to ask these self-appointed gods of hypocracy and idiocy.
Its OK TO NOT KNOW, its not ok to tell everyone you DO know, and teach the same fairy dust and unicorn nonsense.
These evil demons have reified SPACE as a "thing" that "does things"
Tesla called this a pure insanity, which it is.
I recall it was Bill Gaede who went around the circle of academic slime asking them to diagram ONE HYDROGEN atom.
He said, "one proton, one electron, you have a PHD in physics, SURELY you can do it??!!!"
All of them got mad and wouldn't (couldn't) do it. They flipped and flopped, and wiggled and squirmed.
While Gaede has some insane beliefs, he is right about one thing, the Cult of Quantum is a religious academia of BS.
Evil demons like the late Ricky Feynmann.
When the supposed 'expert' and Hollywood-scientist and academic fraud Richard Feynman was asked to explain what magnetism
is, how it works, sitting in his chair, he twitched and squirmed like a frog on a hotplate, wiggling and dodging the question, then
deflects, and finally says its too complex (for mere mortals) to understand. Eventually he concedes he cannot explain these "forces".
This rather infamous video of a worm on a hotplate can be found everywhere. Likewise, his book so highly praised by his hubris filled
academic stooges, "QED strange theory of light and matter" explains magnetism away with angels and unicorns, or rather I should
accurately say "virtual photons", of which there is no quantitative difference between unicorns and the 'sage' academic explanation of
"virtual photons", both are patently absurd and offend even the common sense of a ten year old child and people collectively.
This is all of course is against Feynman's own proclamation that------
"if you can't explain it to a six year old, then you really don't understand it". In this case, the absurdity of unreal particles and mythical abstractions might be enjoyed conceptually by someone with
the mind of a six year old.
All these mathematical reifications, sadly, fall in line with the unscientific and irrational mythos of
mathematical physics (Greek Atomism in reality) of which one of its key proponents declares
"when common sense fails (to explain
things rationally), uncommon sense must be created" L. Susskind. ;D ;D ;D
Nothing was more perturbing and aggravating than watching the demon Richard Feynman sitting in his chair twitching and
squirming and fidgeting like a frog on a frying pan when being asked very simplex and logical questions "how does magnetism
work?", "how does one magnet attract another, and what is the medium of this attraction?". Finally after flopping like a fish on dry
land for an enormous amount of time he states: "I cannot answer it in a manner in which you can understand it or that is familiar to
you". That idiots with degrees and acclaim are looked to like the Pope, a clueless fool put on a pedestal, is a timeless human failing,
and can be forgiven. However when people assume they know what something is (if they care at all), they do not go looking for the
answer to what they already assume they know.'
That Feynman and others have declared (as he has done in his mystical book: QED strange theory of light and matter) that
magnetism is mediated by "virtual photons" is no different than the Pope declaring mother Marry as healing a sick child from a
pendant worn at the neck. Humanity has placed, as dept. chairs in countless universities and likewise, heads of mathematics and
physics, people who are quite literally insane, are deep thinkers, but insane ones. The insane asylums of the world are full of genuinely
deep thinkers, however it is not for sake of deep thinking they are locked up and away from others! So, taking a cue from Quantum
mysticism we then ask the expert (fool) relativist "since you declare magnetism to be mediated by 'virtual photons', what is same?".
Answer received? Yes, here we have it:--------- "A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out". Well, insanity has been reified, at last!
It's all fine and dandy to paste reams and reams of text and use hysterical rhetoric. But then when presented with a real-world example of something related to electronics or electromagnetics the "text pasters" usually go belly-up. Lots of "bla bla bla" but no action. Chances are you don't even understand how a coil actually works.
We are back in the realm of pantomime and dandyism. It's a form of bloatware.
MileHigh
OK,so i read your book T.A ,and i must say,it is quite interesting and well writen.
I !for now! will shut up,and await your up and comeing video demo's. Seems you are against the odd's,but everyone deserve's a shot at putting there case forward.
After all-it is the people that go out on a limb that bring to light the new discoveries.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 16, 2014, 07:26:39 AM
Chances are you don't even understand how a coil actually works.
I have HAND wound at LEAST 20 coils this year alone, yourself?
Quote from: tinman on July 16, 2014, 09:54:44 AM
OK,so i read your book T.A ,and i must say,it is quite interesting and well writen.
I !for now! will shut up,and await your up and comeing video demo's. Seems you are against the odd's,but everyone deserve's a shot at putting there case forward.
After all-it is the people that go out on a limb that bring to light the new discoveries.
I'm always out in a limb, been there my whole life. No worries.
Ehh, there are quite a few typos in this edition..., and my writing style typically rubs people the wrong way. Likely comes from reading too much Greek and hyper-condensed thought process writing.
Have a nice week.
lux et veritas
The book is really interesting ... I just started reading it ... may be it's worth to take a look at Ivor Catt work as well ...
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 02:33:43 PM
I have HAND wound at LEAST 20 coils this year alone, yourself?
The answer is ZERO. The problem is that your "answer" has nothing to do with the comment.
For example, can you state how a coil works in a typical pulse circuit? Say a Bedini motor or any other simple pulse circuit.
I am asking you for a serious answer. If you respond and get it right then great. If you respond and get it wrong or respond with something that is off-issue I will let you know also. I am looking for light and truth from you.
Quote from: MilesHigher (This has a more manly ring to it)
The answer is ZERO. The problem is that your "answer" has nothing to do with the comment.
Hmmm. Unless the person who is winding the coils
is doing it exclusively as physical therapy I would
disagree.
Those who take the time to wind coils by hand generally
have knowledge about what they are doing and have the
ability to put their creations to work in some productive
application.
Never-the-less, I look forward to the continuation of this
discussion. Something tells me we all may learn something
new in this process; something we haven't until now seriously
considered.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 16, 2014, 07:05:33 PM
1. I am asking you for a serious answer.
2. I am looking for light and truth from you.
1. No, you're not, you are pre-loading a question.
2. No, you are not, you're probing for a "crack in the facade" you can drive a wedge in to tear someone down.
You still labor under the false illusion I am trying to
convince of you something, of anything.
Wisdom and discovery are their own reward, they don't need validation.
I dropped the sack of seed out there, you can grow it, eat it, flush it, trash it, tell others its 'rotten'
Any one of those scenarios is fine.
There are some people in this twisted world that don't want money or fame or thanks or rewards, but have a pure desire merely to KNOW and understand.
I would rather die tomorrow understanding the great mysteries of the universe than live to be 90 with a house full of expensive toys and cute grandchildren.
You do as you wish ;)
Lux et veritas
Theoria,
There you go, you responded with something off-issue. For all of your attitude and puffing out of your chest about your supposed proof of a magnetic vortex, you actually don't understand how a bloody coil works. You can't even describe how one works in a simple pulse circuit. My how the great have fallen. That's valuable information for anyone reading this thread.
Indeed, you are also unable to correctly interpret the Moire pattern on a CRT monitor.
Veritatem Tantum
MileHigh
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis
You still labor under the false illusion I am trying to
convince you of something, of anything.
Wisdom and discovery are their own reward, they don't
need validation.
I dropped the sack of seed out there, you can grow it,
eat it, flush it, trash it, tell others it's 'rotten.'
Any of those scenarios is fine.
Very uncommon wisdom. Particularly in this day and
age where Love of Money, Corruption and Deception
have become major elements of the society in
unprecedented proportions.
It is true. Some are driven by an enormous desire to
know Truth about all things. Knowledge can be a
reward unto itself.
Live and let live.
Your approach is producing quite an effect on certain
others who may have less wholesome motives.
Way to go.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 16, 2014, 10:32:33 PM
Indeed, you are also unable to correctly interpret the Moire pattern on a CRT monitor.
You have no idea what you are talking about there.
I created ANOTHER video 2 days ago using a GRID pattern to prove the Magnetic-Vortex results have NOTHING to do with the Vortex Moire pattern I used in the first 2 videos.
As such,........ that SOUNDLY denounces your premise that I was being fooled by using a vortex Moire' pattern in the testing. As I have informed you before, I have (now) 8 different physical models for proof of the vortex pattern
charged graphite
CRT
ferrofluid in alcohol with microbeading
precession centripetal countermagnetic movement
bismuth dust in mineral oil
............etc etc etc........
I dont need OR want, or AM seeking your validation of anything, FOR anything, regarding anything.
clips from same, refuting you,..... pictures attached-----
Quote from: MileHigh on July 16, 2014, 10:32:33 PM
My how the great have fallen.
Thanks for proving my last post was 100% accurate. ;)
Hi TheoriaApophasis,
I'm interested in how to instantly dump the momentum of an object without any resultant inertia or effects on the subject (see snapshot below as found on page 43). Theoretically, if we can instantly transfer the whole momentum from a heavier object to a lighter object, then we can make as much excess energy as we like according to KE = 0.5 * mv2. You said this may be accomplished from a non-local inductive source. Are you willing to point me to this source? If not, then I will seek it out on my own!
A 5 kg mass moving 1 m/s has 5 units of momentum and has a kinetic energy of 2.5J. A 1 kg mass moving 5 m/s has 5 units of momentum and has a kinetic energy of 12.5J
12.5J > 2.5J !!!
Thanks,
Gravock
You are still not understanding the twisting of the picture on the CRT screen.
Here is the answer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg)
There is no "magnetic vortex" at all. The magnetic field from your stationary magnet in front of the CRT screen will be stationary, static and unchanging. The electron beam gets deflected because of V cross B and that results in a Moire pattern on the screen because of the electron beam passing through the "wrong" holes in the shadow mask resulting in the "wrong" colour phosphors being illuminated. Sometimes the beam is bent but you don't get a Moire pattern and instead you get a twisted image. It's the stuff of a Grade 7 science fair project.
So why do you get the big black area and the bright white area in the center?
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 02:51:08 AM
There is no "magnetic vortex" at all. The magnetic field from your stationary magnet
Im so sorry you have NO idea what you're talking about.
A learning defect of some variety I assume.
Actually its just garden variety hubris to be sure.
A: As per the CRT, you might notice (which you did not), that there are 2 twisted fields, one along the centrifugal (as see by anyone with eyeballs) and one OPPOSITE along the centripetal. As such your logomachy doesnt "fly". (SEE PICS BELOW)
B: If you think for 1 second there is any such thing as a "stationary magnetic field" (forgetting for a second about a VORTEX), then the late N. Tesla, Heaviside, Maxwell, and others would like to boot you for that insanity.
C: Its alas unfortunate that your purposeful selected memory left out the last post in which I stated I have 8 DIFFERENT DEMONSTRATIONS of vortex movement
only 1 of which is CRT.
I notice you left out that 800 pound gorilla I planted on your head in the last post.
Suggest you read people that actually know what theyre talking about
Tesla, JC Maxwell, Oliver Heaviside, CP Steinmetz. You know nothing about magnetic reciprocation.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 02:51:08 AMSo why do you get the big black area and the bright white area in the center?
You see, son, I actually DO the experiments, you think you understand but you dont.
IF placed ONLY on the centrifugal edge you will
GET NO BRIGHT SPOT IN THE CENTER, absolutely NOTHING. ;D ;D ;D
however you can see that in an upcoming video. I love they way you assume things. The bright spot in the center, son, only appears when there is a centripetal magnetic vortex present.
And ONLY then. You amuse me. What you dont know is that you are trying to
convince yourself of your own nonsense, not me of yours (nonsense that is).
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 02:51:08 AMand instead you get a twisted image.
What a sad soul you are, son. ;) Your twisted-mind twisted-image pseudo-pontification leaves out the fact that a TWISTED image doesn't INVERT ITS TWIST at the center from centrifugal movement to centripetal, and/or vice verse as
I amply demonstrate.
100% failure on your part herein.
By the way son, ANY magnetometer will tell you about centrifugal and centripetal GAUSS reading differentials.
start watching at 2:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWYAFJuq7M&list=UUh3cY-IW8QsEFmAh-TAWwrw
I am sorry you have no idea in the least what you are talking about. I do love the fact that you failed to mention:
I have (now) 8 different physical models for proof of the vortex pattern
charged graphite
CRT
ferrofluid in alcohol with microbeading
precession centripetal countermagnetic movement
bismuth dust in mineral oilYou aren't trying to convince ME of anything, rather convince YOURSELF of your well-accepted and closed minded insane assumptions about what you THINK you know about magnetism,
but, in fact, have no idea.
Heads up son. I am adding 2 more videos of magnetic vortex movement tonight that have NOTHING to do with CRT tubes, AND use 2 wholly different testing materials.
;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6je5P1BOp3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4
veni vidi vici , son
"People that surround themselves with those who only agree with them are demons and afraid of their ignorance being refuted" - Jennings
AND, 5 more videos upcoming using 5 WHOLLY different testing materials.
Maybe, in your logomachy and hubris, you can attempt (and fail) to discount the 7 other methods.
You do amuse me, but keep trying to convince yourself.
I do the experiments, and you talk.
Which do you think is the more useful, the more valuable? ;D ;D
HERE IS A VIDEO I COLLECTED EXACTLY FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45a75U5yOP0
AND THE BEST OF THEM, JUST FOR YOU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLJMqSAkXEc
;D
"Scientists today think deeply rather than clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.
Todays scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander thru equation after equation, and eventually build a
structure which has no basis in reality." – Nikola Tesla
"Nothing is more fantastical and a travesty of how nature works than is quantum theory. Its very basis has no relationship to reality."
TA,
My thanks in in someone (you) finally putting that long winded loud mouthed schnook in his place.
Its just a shame a few of the others didn't take a kick at the tar baby.
Regards...
@TA: I am so embarrassed. I just realized that you have won a free question, but I didn't notice it until now.
FREE QUESTION FOR TA .......Tell me what Michael Faraday concluded re the motion of the magnetic field after he glued the magnet to his Faraday Disk Generator and spinned it up and measured the current output. 1832 I think.
Also tell me the result of the Cramp Norgrove experiment. 1934 I think.
If you answer correctly I will notify my Nigerian branch office to immediately send you a large reward check. Or wire it directly to your bank account. Please give me your banking information in the post with your answer.
CANGAS 54
CapZro
Naaaah
we don't tar and feather here anymore [Stefan doesn't approve ] and Steel cage matches are temporarily suspended [something about Biting ??]
just good old fashioned discussion will have to do for now [hopefully with respect]
Thx
Chet
Quote from: CANGAS on July 17, 2014, 10:36:53 AM
@TA: I am so embarrassed. I just realized that you have won a free question, but I didn't notice it until now.
FREE QUESTION FOR TA .......Tell me what Michael Faraday concluded re the motion of the magnetic field after he glued the magnet to his Faraday Disk Generator and spinned it up and measured the current output. 1832 I think.
Also tell me the result of the Cramp Norgrove experiment. 1934 I think.
If you answer correctly I will notify my Nigerian branch office to immediately send you a large reward check. Or wire it directly to your bank account. Please give me your banking information in the post with your answer.
CANGAS 54
An obscure hint for TA:
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Nature, Volume 134, Issue 3378, pp. 139 (1934).
IN a paper read before Section A of the British Association last year, I gave some account of experiments made by Dr. Norgrove and myself on cylindrical magnets and solenoids spinning about their axes. These experiments forced us towards the conclusion that even in the strongest permanent magnet there was no evidence of any attachment between the metal and the system of tubes of induction to which it is supposed to give rise. All our tests then and since have only confirmed Faraday's words as to the ``singular independence of the magnetism and the bar in which it resides''.
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CANGAS 55
Quote from: ramset on July 17, 2014, 02:22:56 PM
CapZro
Naaaah
we don't tar and feather here anymore [Stefan doesn't approve ] and Steel cage matches are temporarily suspended [something about Biting ??]
just good old fashioned discussion will have to do for now [hopefully with respect]
You have your reference crossed Chet...try googling br'er rabbit and the tar baby.
Regards...
Thx
Chet
Quote from: CANGAS on July 17, 2014, 03:57:28 PM
An obscure hint for TA:
Yes, I know that quote, see below
That space is posterior to all fields, and that there are no "fields expanding into space" (my ongoing assertion) was backed up using the formulas and conclusions of the well acclaimed Oleg D. Jefimenko
jefimenko
(October 14, 1922, Kharkiv, Ukraine - May 14, 2009, Morgantown, West Virginia, USA) - physicist and Professor Emeritus at West Virginia University.
Biography
He received his Ph.D. at the University of Oregon (1956).In 1956, he was awarded the Sigma Xi Prize. In 1971 and 1973, he won awards in the AAPT Apparatus Competition. Jefimenko has constructed and operated electrostatic generators run by atmospheric electricity.
Several authors have asserted that the magnetic field due to an electric current is a relativistic effect. This assertion is based on the fact that if one assumes that the interaction between electric charges is entirely due to the electric field, then the relativistic force transformation equations make it imperative that a second field - the magnetic field - is present when the charges are moving. However, as is shown in this paper, if one assumes that the interaction between moving electric charges is entirely due to the magnetic field, then the same relativistic force transformation equations make it imperative that a second field - this time the electric field - is also present.
Therefore, since it is impossible to interpret both the electric and the magnetic field as relativistic effects, one must conclude that neither field is a relativistic effect. The true meaning of the calculations demonstrating the alleged relativistic nature of the magnetic field and of the calculations presented in this paper is, therefore, that the idea of a single force field, be it magnetic or electric, is incompatible with the relativity theory.
As is clear from equations (1)–(15) and (23), relativistic
force transformation equations demand the presence of
an electric field when the interactions between electric
charges are assumed to be entirely due to a magnetic
force. We could interpret this result as the evidence
that the electric field is a relativistic effect. But the
well known fact that similar calculations demand the
presence of a magnetic field, if the interactions between
the charges are assumed to be entirely due to an electric
force, makes such an interpretation impossible (unless
we are willing to classify both the magnetic and the
electric field as relativistic effects, which is absurd).
We must conclude therefore that neither the magnetic
nor the electric field is a relativistic effect
.
The only correct interpretation of our results must
then be that interactions between electric charges that
are either entirely velocity independent or entirely
velocity dependent is incompatible with the relativity
theory. Both fields—the electric field (producing a force
independent
of the velocity of the charge experiencing
the force) and the magnetic field (producing a force
dependent
on the velocity of the charge experiencing
the force)—are necessary to make interactions between
electric charges relativistically correct. By inference
then, any force field compatible with the relativity theory
must have an electric-like 'subfield' and a magnetic-like
'subfield'
if force is defined as the cause of acceleration, then the
equation F = ma , where F is the force and a is the acceleration, is a causal equation by
definition.
Force IS (coeternal) MxA, not Force "is the product of (CAUSATION)" ma
Proving again, that there causation is spatial, and space are in fields, but no fields in space.
Let us apply these considerations to the basic electromagnetic field laws. Traditionally
these laws are represented by the four Maxwell's equations, which, in their differential form,
are
∇ · D = ρ, (1)
∇ · B = 0, (2)
∇ Å~E = −∂B
∂t
, (3)
and
∇ Å~H = J +
∂D
∂t
, (4)
where E is the electric field vector, D is the displacement vector,H is themagnetic field vector,
B is the magnetic flux density vector, J is the current density vector, and ρ is the electric charge
density. For fields in a vacuum,Maxwell's equations are supplemented by the two constitutive
equations,
D = ε0E (5)
and
B = μ0H, (6)
where ε0 is the permittivity of space, and μ0 is the permeability of space.
Since none of the four Maxwell's equations is defined to be a causal relation, and since
each of these equations connects quantities simultaneous in time, none of these equations
represents a causal relation. That is, ∇ · D is not a consequence of ρ (and vice versa),∇ Å~E
is not a consequence of ∂B/∂t (and vice versa), and∇ Å~H is not a consequence of J + ∂D/∂t
(and vice versa). Thus, Maxwell's equations, even though they are basic electromagnetic
equations (since most electromagnetic relations are derivable from them), do not depict causeand-
effect relations between electromagnetic
It is traditionally asserted that, according toMaxwell's equation (3), a changing magnetic field
produces an electric field ('Faraday induction') and that, according toMaxwell's equation (4),
a changing electric field produces a magnetic field ('Maxwell induction'). The very useful
and successful method of calculating induced voltage (emf) in terms of changing magnetic
flux appears to support the reality of Faraday induction. And the existence of electromagnetic
waves appears to support the reality of both Faraday induction and Maxwell induction. Note,
however, that as explained in section 1, Maxwell's equation (3), which is usually considered
as depicting Faraday induction, does not represent a cause-and-effect relation because in this
equation the electric and the magnetic field is evaluated for the same moment of time.
Note also
that in electromagnetic waves electric and magnetic fields are in phase, that is, simultaneous
in time, and hence, according to the principle of causality (which states that the cause always
precedes its effect), the two fields cannot cause each other (by the principle of causality, the
fields should be out of phase if they create each other).And there is one more fact that supports the conclusion that what we call 'electromagnetic
induction' is not the creation of one of the two fields by the other. In the covariant formulation
of electrodynamics, electric and magnetic fields appear as components of one single entity—
the electromagnetic field tensor (dielectric). Quite clearly, a component of a tensor cannot be a cause of
another component of the same tensor, just like a component of a vector cannot be a cause of
another component of the same vector.
electromagnetic field tensor (sometimes called the field strength tensor, Faraday tensor or Maxwell bivector) is a mathematical object that describes the electromagnetic field of a physical system.
Hence electromagnetic induction as a phenomenon in which one of the fields
creates the other is an illusion. The illusion of the 'mutual creation' arises from the facts
that in time-dependent systems the two fields always appear prominently together, while their
causative sources (the time-variable current in particular) remain in the background1 .
1 The author has been unable to determine by whom, where and why it was first suggested that changing electric and
magnetic fields create each other. One thing appears certain however—the idea did not originate with either Faraday
or Maxwell.
Presenting electromagnetic theory in
accordance with the principle of
causality
On the other hand, equations (7) and (8) show
that in time-variable systems electric and magnetic fields are always created simultaneously,
because these fields have a common causative source: the changing electric current [∂J/∂t ]
(the last term of equation (7) and the last term in the integral of equation (8)).
It is important to note that neither Faraday (who discovered the phenomenon of
electromagnetic induction) nor Maxwell (who gave it a mathematical formulation) explained
this phenomenon as the generation of an electric field by a magnetic field (or vice versa).
After discovering the electromagnetic induction, Faraday wrote in a letter of November
29, 1831, addressed to his friend Richard Phillips [4]:
'When an electric current is passed through one of two parallel wires it causes at first a
current in the same direction through the other, but this induced current does not last a moment
notwithstanding the inducing current (from the Voltaic battery) is continued. . . , but when the
current is stopped then a return current occurs in the wire under induction of about the same
intensity andmomentary duration but in the opposite direction to that first found. Electricity in
currents therefore exerts an inductive action like ordinary electricity (electrostatics, ODJ) but
subject to peculiar laws: the effects are a current in the same direction when the induction is
established, a reverse current when the induction ceases and a peculiar state in the interim. . . .'
Quite clearly, Faraday speaks of an inducing current , and not at all of an inducingmagnetic
field . (In the same letter Faraday referred to the induction bymagnets as a 'very powerful proof'
of the existence of Amperian currents responsible for magnetization.)
where ε0 is the permittivity of space, and μ0 is the permeability of space. Since none of the four Maxwell's equations is defined to be a causal relation, and since each of these equations connects quantities simultaneous in time, none of these equations represents a causal relation. That is, ∇ · D is not a consequence of ρ (and vice versa),∇ Å~E is not a consequence of ∂B/∂t (and vice versa), and∇ Å~H is not a consequence of J + ∂D/∂t (and vice versa).
Thus, Maxwell's equations, even though they are basic electromagnetic equations (since most electromagnetic relations are derivable from them), do not depict cause-and-effect relations between electromagnetic reactionsAs per: "instantaneous action at a distance (within fields)" Of course there is, within fields 'instant action at a distance' without propagation speeds
(as proved by Tesla and Dollard and others regarding longitudinal field propagation).
But that the entire PREMISE is 100% flawed, regarding the statement of: "instantaneous action at a distance"
Field pressure gradients are not IN space nor therefore a modality of time.
So what is going on "instantly" is merely field inductions, pressures occurring "under" and preceding space which is merely a modality of any field.
So, taking the common phrase regarding fields (mag, grav, dielectric): " "instantaneous action at a distance"
we have removed the "INSTANTANEOUS" part as merely a human perceptual flaw of immanent fields within which there is space (but never a field IN space, rather space as attributional to or of a field).
"ACTION" can be removed, since we are only talking about field pressure gradients, inductions, charges and discharges. There are no "moment actions", since actions are comparators over 2 points in time. However the case is is that what something is in Principle it is in Attribute, likewise therefore deductively we can speak of X as both a THING/PRINCIPLE, and an ACTION/ATTRIBUTE, ........such as light-illumination, or will-willing. The very co-eternal principles, also, of and to any field.
"DISTANCE" can likewise therefore be eliminated, since we are talking about the attribute and EFFECT WITHIN any field(s). There are no "distances" , since this is a conceptual abstraction of fields which are impinging/interacting within / to/ against etc. each other.
ANY retardations of field action-propagation are logically only merely resistances encountered from intervening field-modality inductions/capacitance; or field voidance or counter-voidance pressures
So, having eliminated all 3 main words within "instantaneous action at a distance", whats left? Only fields logically. .... Well, we are left with "AT"
Field pressure AT another field
Electricity terminating AT X as magnetism
Magnetic moving its attribute (space) AT a dielectric ( which = dielectric inertial plane torque = electrification)
Your body AT a location in space AT which another body's centripetal convergent gravitational field is acting AT yours.
By the way, for the GREEKS, space IS an attribute of a field (χώρα). "Look at the wide open space here (IN THE FIELD IM STANDING IN)" !
again, space is a field-effect-attribute.
Space as a principle, cannot , shall not , may not, never will definitionally be anything other than a concept when speaking about merely "space (ltself)".
Quote from: CANGAS on July 17, 2014, 10:36:53 AM
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Unipolar nonsense.
" The similarity between cylindrical magnets and solenoids is examined, as well as the effect produced by one spinning magnet upon another."That statement of something "new" is merely due to a lack of understanding of the field geometry IN a magnet being nearly identical to any conventional solenoid.
(SEE PIC BELOW)-----
Every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
and.....10 field-boundary gradients
Faraday was the originator of the concept of =the magnetic field, (which is described in terms of "magnetic curves" our present day "magnetic lines of force")
however HE NEVER SO MUCH AS SUGGESTED in his works that induced currents were a resultant of changing magnetic fields. ON THE CONTRARY, he clearly associated the phenomena of electromagnetic induction with changing electrical currents.
As per Maxwell, he TOO considered EM induction as a phenomena in which a current (or EM force) is induced in a circuit. but not as a phenomena in which a changing magnetic field causes an electrical field.
He CLEARLY said tha the induced EM force is "MEASURED BY, not CAUSED BY the changing mag field" Just as Faraday, he made NO allusion to ANY CAUSAL link between magnetic and electric fields
----- Dr. Oleg D. JefimenkoBOOK : CAUSALITY, ELECTROMAGNETIC INDUCTION AND GRAVITATION
The below picture, to which you allude is only a backwards method of a TOTAL lack of understanding from Faraday that ANY "magnet" is a dominant dielectric device with a specific magneto-dielectric geometry. ;D ;D
Hes saying the same thing I am, in a slightly diff. way.
Here's a fun clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhwddNQSWQ
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 09:03:58 PM
Here's a fun clip
Heres another picture, ..but its not a vortex
Oh wait, yes it is. ;D
When the electron bean encounters the static toroidal magnetic field it is induced along some sort of curved path. For every angle the beam is currently at, a unique curved deflection path is taken. Two beams that are very close in angle to each other will take similar, but not necessarily the same relative deflection paths. There can be a spread, a.k.a. divergence, in the paths. If you can envision a matrix of separate beams in a horizontal and vertical grid, then as the "matrix of beams" travels through the toroidal magnetic field, the many divergent but similar beam paths can form a "twist"
So the crux of the matter is that the static magnetic field is making the overall form of the electron beam raster scan twist before it strikes the phosphors. But Theoria is seemingly incapable of visualizing or understanding this. He sees the effects of magnetic fields causing circular motion and incorrectly believes that the magnetic field itself is in some kind of circular motion. Magnetic fields form closed loops but that doesn't mean that they are in some kind of vortex or circular motion. It's nothing more than an abject failure to understand that is at the root of this bizarre proposition.
Likewise, Theoria is unable to explain why there is a black circular void with a bright white spot at the center that is shown in several of his clips. Instead, he tries to point to another example that does not show a circular void and claims "victory." The embarrassed fanboys say nothing because their brains are wired to believe in the underdog no mater what. Hey, Magnacoaster might ship one day. If Theoria knows what he is talking about he should be able to explain the circular voids. I can explain them.
It's like a Monty Python skit sometimes when a very colorful character shows up. But the real thing is to try to visualize what is really going on by applying your knowledge about how a charged particle will be deflected into a circular type of path when it travels through a magnetic field. You have to take that knowledge and apply it to what you are observing in your experiments and arrive at the right conclusion through understanding and logical deduction. That's the real deal when you strip it down to the bare bones.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 09:44:17 PM
. There can be a spread, a.k.a. divergence, in the paths.
Wonderful "off the cuff" speculation ....and like an old man with a vasectomy, you're "shooting blanks" , intellectually.
We arent on CRT anymore, but onto 8 other methods of showing magnetic vortex.
In case you didnt notice
, those TEST TUBES pics above dont have jack to do with CRT tubes.
You amuse me, like a monkey I once saw in India, it was scratching its ass looking for fleas.
Keep trying to convince yourself.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 09:44:17 PM
Theoria is unable to explain why there is a black circular void with a bright white spot at the center that is shown in several of his clips.
I explained it perfectly, ....that you DONT ACCEPT the answer, is not the same as "DIDN'T answer".
Strawman fallacy my little son. ;D
Everything I stated in my previous posting is true.
Wow, something that looks like a vortex in a test tube. How do you expect anybody to comment on what you are showing if you don't fully describe the experiment and what you are doing?
"Special solution?" "Special suspension?" "Something else you won't describe?" So it's all a big secret?
You are not proving anything with the test tubes because you refuse to tell your audience about the experiment yet you attempt to offer that as proof?
You are absolutely failing to argue many of your points with any logic, reason, facts, or experimental data that is correctly described and interpreted. Instead you play the high-strung bombastic "mad scientist."
Every single one of your supposed proofs has a logical explanation. I am confident enough to state that without seeing them.
MileHigh
QuoteI explained it perfectly, ....that you DONT ACCEPT the answer, is not the same as "DIDN'T answer".
Here is your "explanation:"
QuoteYou see, son, I actually DO the experiments, you think you understand but you dont.
IF placed ONLY on the centrifugal edge you will GET NO BRIGHT SPOT IN THE CENTER, absolutely NOTHING. (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=48cd3b652a891d74b4b4ef746db528263b551e0c) (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=48cd3b652a891d74b4b4ef746db528263b551e0c) (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=48cd3b652a891d74b4b4ef746db528263b551e0c)
however you can see that in an upcoming video. I love they way you assume things. The bright spot in the center, son, only appears when there is a centripetal magnetic vortex present.
And ONLY then.
I have news for you. The people that read this forum, even the rabid believers, are not totally retarded. The fact is that you didn't answer. I conclude that the reason for your failure to explain the black voids is because you simply don't know the answer. That means behind all of your bluster is a little scared guy that is afraid to show that he is human and doesn't have the knowledge, education, and experience to demonstrate that he really and truly knows what he is talking about. It's a dichotomy that you have to deal with and it must cause you some stress. Just how long can you be "On" before you get exhausted I wonder.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 10:06:03 PM
Everything I stated in my previous posting is true.
Sorry, this slot machine doesn't accept CLAIMS.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 10:06:03 PM
Wow, something that looks like a vortex in a test tube.
"wow", son, isnt a rebuttal, its a statement of stupor.
Actually if you have your eye close against same, you can see the vortex movement. AND likewise, just like a waterspout, the inner vortex which looks identical to the pic below:
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 10:06:03 PM
"Special solution?" "Special suspension?" "Something else you won't describe?" So it's all a big secret?
Since you've never invented anything, let me tell you how it works. Generally (always) when people invent something NEW, they dont tell anyone about the specifics until there is patent or rights protection.
Typically people spend a LOT OF TIME creating things, and after doing so, they dont give away the information on their inventions (until protected)
Maybe you should go look that fact up in the
"Dictionary of Insanely Obvious Facts" Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 10:06:03 PM
You are not proving anything with the test tubes
Nice claim, however the video and the invention speaks for itself. If you were here, you could demo it yourself.
Tell you what son, whats more plausible, my video proof and pics or your lips flapping? Yes, thats right.
You want a FAST duplication of this effect of my invention? Use 1 teaspoon of salt in a test tube, hot water, bring it to FULL saturation.... and 10 drops of ferrofluid in the tube. The effect is VERY FAST, but also the same.
Now, go test it yourself, son. Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 10:06:03 PM
experimental data that is correctly described and interpreted.
Small error son, the ONLY person here doing
EXPERIMENTS, is myself.
Unless you think your lip flapping is , what,......an experiment itself?
I've spent quite a bit of money experimenting with magnets for some time now and I've come to similar conclusions as Theoria.
The three things I'd like to mention that some may not know:
A: The magnetic "field" isn't static in repeatable experiments conducted by Eugene Podkletnov.
B: This "field" "seems to affect objects at a distance at a speed of 64c." IE: 64x the speed of light. (No wonder it appears "static")
C: OverUnity is valid science and is being investigate by ALL astrophysicist........ Although they simply call it "Big Bang Theory". Yes, the fact the universe is expanding at an ever increasing speed confirms OverUnity to me. (Though additional energy could be "leaking" through from other dimensions.)
Some have said this thread isn't what this forum is about, I disagree. The better understanding we have about magnetism, mass, speed, doh'nuts, votexs, vortices and such the better. I'd like to suggest people watch the Discovery channel's "The Universe" series and pay particular attention to the Black Hole episode. There is far more information in the accurate representation of what a Supermassive Blackhole does to a star than many will realise.
I believe the secret to "OverUnity" "free energy" (in the broad sense) is hiding in recreating a magnetic scale model of our galaxy. Easily achieved if we had a better understanding of magnetism.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 10:21:27 PM
Here is your "explanation:"
Actually, son, it isnt, go further back in this thread.
Nice strawman fallacy.
Magnetism displaces dielectricity, son. A fact WELL KNOWN and talked much about by Tesla, JC Maxwell, Heaviside, and CP Steinmentz.
I see you have ABSOLUTELY NO grasp of electromagnetism to take this nonsense position. ;D
.....Same reason there is a multi-layered circular corona effect pictured below.
Now, son, lets see if you can explain the
"EGG" shaped distortion picture below. I can, lets see if YOU CAN
(hint: its very simple if you have common sense and know ANYTHING about magnetism and dielectricity at conjugate angles).
Then please go ahead and explain the black voids (still waiting) and the egg-shaped void. I am very curious to hear your explanation and perhaps others are too.
Quote from: john_doe on July 17, 2014, 10:24:30 PM
Although they simply call it "Big Bang Theory". Yes, the fact the universe is expanding at an ever increasing speed confirms OverUnity to me.
Actually it only confirms my discovery about 10 years ago of
1/(1/Phi^-3)
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 10:35:13 PM
Then please go ahead and explain the egg-shaped void. I am very curious to hear your explanation and perhaps others are too.
Well, Im an idiot, right? You have your force vector formula for the calculation.
Im waiting for the Cult of Quantum to spit out answer.
I just DID explain the dielectric displacement ("black void") above. Im glad you missed it on purpose.
talk of electrons? Whats this nonsense? ;D ;D
J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction.
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the 'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" - C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses)
The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by
Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings
"Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve Biller
Nature is not governed by the irrational pontifications of GR and QM, rather it is governed by mutually interactive reciprocal conjugates of charges-discharges, centripetal-centrifugal movements, both spatial and counterspatial. Instantaneous action at a distance, and fields are all Ether modality mediations as propagated by counterspace-in-disturbance, the Ether, its pressure gradients and perturbations. No other mediator can be logically hypothesized, much less theorized. The very same Ether of Tesla, Heaviside, C.P. Steinmetz, and even originally from Einstein before logic fled his mind completely, was correct and remains so. Tesla outright denied our current definition of the electron as a 'discharge particle'.
All electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force (as reified by the incorrect understanding of the definition of a 'field'), these pressure gradients, or "lines" are contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving motion to the terminus 'electron'. The thermionic 'electron' contracts, pulling the 'electron', the cathode ray stretching, pulled by the 'electron'. In the former case the lines of force are dissipated, in the latter case the line of force are projected, in both cases these so-called 'electrons' assume radial motions, with non participating pressure gradients, or forces filling the 'voids', directing the 'electrons'. Hence, it is the so-called 'electrons' (dielectric radial discharges) that travel in straight lines, that is, radially. 'Electrons' have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; the so-called 'electrons' are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. 'Electrons' are in fact the resistance. From extensive experimental work into atomic electrical science by J. J. Thompson, and Nikola Tesla, it is established that the so-called electron is only a shadow; its apparent-only physical mass is merely an electrical momentum (ejected by the dielectric inertia in disturbance). There is no rest mass to an electron nor could there be logically, a rest-electron 'bead'; such notions are absurd and evidence proven non-existent. The very premise is logically impossible and contradicts the rational physics of atomic charges and discharges.
There is no such condition in nature as a negatively charge particle nor could there be. Charge and discharges are opposite conditions of a single subject, either protons or fields of movements and radiation of those same electrical fields. To claim that liquid in a jar (charged) is one thing, and pouring that liquid from the jar (discharge) is another liquid altogether, is nonsense, likewise compression and expansion are opposite conditions of a single subject. Compressing bodies are charging into higher potential conditions. Conversely, expanding bodies are discharging into lower potential conditions.
"To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions."
"Here we will dispel the "electronics nerd" concept that a capacitor stores "electrons" in its plates. Taking the pair of copper plates as in the previous experiment, but now we have two pairs of plates, one pair of plates distant from the other pair of plates. Upon one pair of plates is imposed an electro-static potential between them. The cube of 10-C oil is inserted between this "charged" set of plates. This hereby establishes a dielectric field of induction within the unit cube of 10-C oil. Now we then remove this cube of oil, withdrawing it from the space bounded by the charged pair of copper plates, and taking this unit cube of oil, it is then inserted into the space bounded by the other uncharged pair of plates. Upon insertion it is found that the un-charged pair of plates have now in fact become charged also. It here can be seen that a cube of dielectric induction can be carried through space, from one set of plates to another set of plates."
Youve been drinking the Kool Aid of Quantum, son. Its nothing but Greek Atomism
Unicorn particles
Pixie particles that discharge
Pure irrational insanity, thru and thru ::) ;D ;D
Well, "dielectric displacement" does not cut it as an explanation for why we see the black void. Please give a real explanation that explains the phenomenon with some details. Demonstrate competency in the subject matter.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 11:00:48 PM
Well, "dielectric displacement" does not cut it as an explanation for why we see the black void.
Empty claims, Its like eating sponge cake, you know theres something there, but nobody likes it.
Too bad too, it "CUT IT" for Tesla, Faraday, Maxwell, and Steinmetz
Since you dont experiment, let me educate you a bit son.
buy an electrostatic generator, and sprinkle graphite on the charged surface, then bring a magnet near it.
I assume (correctly) in your insanity that you dont know that a supra-diamagnetic material is ANTI-magnetic.
Let me translate that for you in a way your mind can understand
Diamagnetic = super-dielectric = anti-magnetismSon, how did you think a
Yttrium barium copper oxide disk at temp of LN2 (liquid nitrogen) levitates a magnet? It becomes supra-diamagnetic.
Back to school with you. Suggest you go read Heaviside, certainly JC Maxwell
*Duplicate post
You still didn't explain it and I am forced to conclude that you can't. Likewise you can't explain how a coil works in a simple pulse circuit. These are some Litmus test questions that are clear clues that show your propositions are a sham. To demonstrate something new or some new area of knowledge or to propose a new alternate theory you have to be able to demonstrate competency in the overall subject matter, even if you disagree with it. It's like John Rohner claiming that he designed some kind of special proprietary spark plug firing controller and then revealing to the world that he didn't even understand how a spark plug circuit works. Or Wayne Travis claiming that he could extract free energy from water moving up and down in a cylinder and bellows contraption yet he never was capable of stating anything about his system using comprehensible sentences that made any sense to someone familiar with energy and hydraulics.
You have lots of company and many of us are very familiar with the pattern.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 11:26:34 PM
You have lots of company and many of us are very familiar with the pattern.
If you had even ONE patent, you might have some cred. You dont.
I have 4. I do the work, I have the logic and proof behind me.
You have your flapping lips.
Not buying your belly button lint . It has no value.
Go read the "greats" (Tesla, Steinmetz, Maxwell).
Most nuns legs are MORE open then your mind, ..as is obviously apparent. ;D ;D
Of all the types of people who have ever lived, there are only four types of gatekeepers of the mind. 1. The gatekeeper of the mind
which lets in everything, this is the most common type in the world. 2. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in nothing, this is the
second most common type; of those that are sure they are right, and all others are wrong. 3. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in
those things it likes or agrees with and not those things it does not like or agree with, even if those things are true and wise. This is the
third most common type. 4. The gatekeeper of the mind which judges things as wise and logical, and lets those things in, and judges
things as unwise and irrational and bars them from entry into the mind. This type of gatekeeper of the mind is the most sublime and
rare. Open minds are only good up to a point at which nonsense, lies, and irrational chaos is allowed to enter. Closed minds are only
good up to a point where things wise and true are barred entry. At this point we must agree that wholly open minds are bad, and
wholly closed minds are equally as bad.
I have pretty decent cred and having patents is not relevant to this conversation. Applying knowledge and understanding and evaluating situations is the backdrop to this discussion. If you don't have the knowledge and just run off willy-nilly gobbling up anything you read you end up in a place like you are in now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI
Quote from: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 11:42:56 PM
I have pretty decent cred
You have no credyou dont experiment
You dont know Maxwell, Steinmetz, Heaviside, or Teslas work
You dont know simplex things such as magnetism and dielectricity moving 180 degrees from each other, OR even that they repel each other.
You are definitionally, what Tesla refers to as mentioned above.
You're a "King of a nutshell"
Like the Indian Saddhu, your tricks only work on weak minds. Turn to them for your support.
Get off the keyboard and go experiment, write a book, do something other than scratch the moss growing on your fanny.
I have been around on the forums for about five or six years. I have analyzed countess circuits on this forum and elsewhere and have analyzed many amateur and professional free energy propositions. I have even designed one or two circuits right here, and even through it's been a while I am very comfortable on an electronics bench. I have seen satellites up close while they were under test and know all about electronics product development and volume factory production. I have worked in the engineering/computer/tech industry for 30 years. My electronics knowledge and bench skills and experience is not nearly as strong as some other notable luminaries around here but I can hold my own. I also learned lots from them. I can analyze a Bedini motor inside out without ever having built one. I have enough experience to evaluate your magnetic field model and state that unfortunately it's junk.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 12:02:36 AM
I have been around on the forums for about five or six years.
You just confessed to being a seat warming keyboard jockey. You must be proud of that status. ;D ;D
Amazing.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 12:02:36 AM
I can analyze a Bedini motor inside out without ever having built one.
That reminds me of a 62 year old woman I knew in Atlanta, she was head of Pediatrics at (whats that college again?), wrote 2 books on children, and child care....
She never had children and said she personally despised children.
You just hung yourself with that absurd statement. ;D ;D
You just said you are an expert on Apple Pie, while never having baked one.
Insanity has been finally REIFIED. ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 12:02:36 AM
I have enough experience to evaluate your magnetic field model and state that unfortunately it's junk.
Yes, compared to my inventions, my videos and photographic proof, my book, .......... your lip flapping is MUCH MORE evidence than I have.
Amuse me more, my pet. ;D ;D
*duplicate post error
There is not much more that I can say. This thread will eventually sink out of sight with nothing really tangible having been achieved. We know where to find you on YouTube.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 12:18:06 AM
There is not much more that I can say.
You have yet to say anything at all, in fact.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 12:18:06 AM
This thread will eventually sink out of sight with nothing really tangible having been achieved.
MY achievements have nothing to do with the www, I experiment and create and "DO".
Your definition of "tangible" is flapping your lips on the web.............mine is wholly different.
debating a closed minded neophyte and pseudo-intellectual with pre-loaded skepticism and enormous hubris, too true, nothing could be "achieved" with such a 1-dimensional mind as thou. ;D ;D
You keep worrying about "threads" and the "www" , Ill be writing and experimenting.
Tangible would require both parties to collectively CREATE discussion and generate something. Like a copper coil and a moving magnet.
I get no electricity from moving my "magnet" against
taurus excreta
Faraday, Cramp Norgrove, and also later published experiments have proved conclusively that the magnetic field does not move even though its magnet source moves. Theoria has been advised of this and has perfectly failed to address this issue.
Still Theoria harangues us to believe that His magnetic field whirls in a vortex. Like a dizzy dancing dervish.
When pigs fly. Without even flapping their little tiny wings.
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Quote from: CANGAS on July 18, 2014, 01:26:10 AM
Faraday, Cramp Norgrove, and also later published experiments have proved conclusively that the magnetic field does not move even though its magnet source moves.
Haaaaaaa!! You just hung yourself high with that one, ......proving you never read my book ;D ;D ;D ;D
However that is NOT what Faraday said, he said that the "source of the magnet" ......."was moving (as polarized) the magnetic tubes (or what we now call lines)"
All fundamental forces are Aether modalities, I state EXACTLY WHAT YOU said in merely a different way, just as I stated in the book.
I endless state in the book that ALL "magnets" are really electrified dielectric objects OF WHICH THE "driver" of the magnetism is dielectricity.
Your PEDESTRIAN understanding of the term FIELD however is prematurely flawed, since there is no such thing AS a "static field" and since space and time are POSTERIOR to ALL fields, then the causative links between induction, and supposed "mutual induction" (a HUGE fallacy) and "moving field" and what is MOVED IN A FIELD are 2 different things, son.
This is how field reactions are instant, they are definitionally not CAUSATIVE IN SPACE (see below).
Yes, there is a magnetic vortex, that is 'driven' by the dielectric inertial plane.
Suggest next time, before you pathetically ATTEMPT to criticize someone, you actually READ the book first.
Pathetic ;D ;D ;D ;DAnd, son, I am more well read on Faraday than yourself,
I know EXACTLY what he said. However Heaviside and Maxwell are a wee bit more evolved in magnetic theory than Faraday for obvious reasons I wont fault Faraday for.
You amuse me as well son. ;D
Read below and LEARN something son.
(October 14, 1922, Kharkiv, Ukraine - May 14, 2009, Morgantown, West Virginia, USA) - physicist and Professor Emeritus at West Virginia University.
Biography
Jefimenko received his B.A. at Lewis and Clark College (1952). He received his M. A. at the University of Oregon (1954). He received his Ph.D. at the University of Oregon (1956). Jefimenko has worked for the development of the theory of electromagnetic retardation and relativity. In 1956, he was awarded the Sigma Xi Prize. In 1971 and 1973, he won awards in the AAPT Apparatus Competition. Jefimenko has constructed and operated electrostatic generators run by atmospheric electricity.
Quote from: CANGAS on July 18, 2014, 01:26:10 AM
Still Theoria harangues us to believe that His magnetic field whirls in a vortex.
I have the videos, the pictures, the proof, the logic, and
9 TOTAL testing medium for this.
and you? You have your flapping lips.
One of those is worth something, the other is
100% WORTHLESS ;D ;D ;D
Keep dancing for me son.
What, in your weak mind did you THINK a "magnet" was other than a fixed-power solenoid?????? ROFL ;D
I bet you dont even know HOW A MAGNET IS MADE
Quote from: CANGAS on July 18, 2014, 01:26:10 AM
Still Theoria harangues us to believe that His magnetic field whirls in a vortex. Like a dizzy dancing dervish.
Pathetic child, ALMOST ALL of (even those I despise in) in physics acknowledge magnetic vortex movements ;D ;D
They call it the
"pinch effect of a magnetic field"Now guess what is "doing the pinching", thats right, dielectricity.
Suggest you go "wise up" somewhere with a good book and learn something ;D
And below is the formula for same:
Quote from: CANGAS on July 18, 2014, 01:26:10 AM
Faraday, Cramp Norgrove, and also later published experiments have proved conclusively that the magnetic field does not move even though its magnet source moves. Theoria has been advised of this and has perfectly failed to address this issue.
Still Theoria harangues us to believe that His magnetic field whirls in a vortex. Like a dizzy dancing dervish.
When pigs fly. Without even flapping their little tiny wings.
CANGAS 56
Wrong! The endless debate as to where the voltage is truly generated and if the field rotates with the magnet or not has been put to rest. The Lorentz force is nothing more than the Z-D force viewed from the proper inertial system of a permanent magnet (see reference link below). The field of a permanent magnet is magneto-static. The movement of the magnetic source causes the Z-D effect which has been termed magneto-kinematic. A magneto-static field does not meet the requirement for wave motion and moves like a body synchronously with its source. Nevertheless, the magnetic field satisfies Faraday's law just like any electromagnetic wave.
The phase shift (see image or reference link below) cannot be explained if the magnetic field is considered to be immobile, but is readily explained by the rotation of the magnetic field with the magnet. The magnetic field moves with it's source!
The electrometer mentioned in the article is a way to perform truly "single piece" voltage measurements without having to close the loop, which raises the endless question as to where the voltage is truly generated. The open probe circuit (http://www.amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html) is easily constructed and has a sensitivity of detecting 1 volt, which is ridiculously high. Credit goes to broli for bringing this open probe circuit to our attention.
1.) Zajev-Dokuchajev (Z-D) effect (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CEUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpiers.org%2Fpiersproceedings%2Fdownload.php%3Ffile%3DcGllcnMyMDEyTW9zY293fDNBOF8xMDQwLnBkZnwxMjAzMDExMzI4NTM%3D&ei=DTt_UdumDKiFywG4p4HIDA&usg=AFQjCNHtE5r2kVi1AN2ut8u0r0wui88vZw&sig2=NFBd1JvdzTLvvJ55TvWZLw&bvm=bv.45645796,d.b2I): the moving of the magnetic field with the rotating magnet.
Gravock
Lets look at this in a different way.
Who here can explain how the homopolar motor work's,and why the same cant be achieved using PM's ???
If the line's of flux(as we call them) are straight on the PM from north to south(using standard modle here),and the magnetic field produced from the wire is the same all around the wire,then why dose the magnet rotate(if using the rotating magnet type motor)in one direction?
We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet spins in the same direction-so what pole is produced from the wire?.
Why is the force from the wire only in one direction?-where is the equal and opposite reaction?(force)
Added picture.
TA,
Thanks for posting these pages - very enlightening, and always best to go to the original sources when presenting a case (as you have done).
Okay - so the mag and electric fields coexist, and neither creates the other, and their cause is "time variable electric charge and currents."
Two different questions:
This would imply that magnetic fields have a frequency(ies), which is/are directly related to the frequency of the "time variable electric charge and currents"?
Every once in awhile, I hear about magnetricity, which seems to me to be based on the idea that magnetic "current" can be harvested and used to light up lightbulbs and power motors, etc.,. Most explanations I find are either steeped in new age ideology and terminology or articulated with antequated notions of electrons spinning around atoms or are secretly vague/abstruse or a mix of all three. My question: In your opinion, if magnetricity were possible, would it have to do with influencing or tapping into the strength of the dielectric plane?
Edit: If the dielectric plane is where the "pinch" is located, is this not where the real power is?
If I'm too far afield for this thread, and you choose to defer to another thread, I'll respect that.
Bob
See this one ? Neo magnet spinning in between two sheets of highly diamagnetic pyrolityc graphite
http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/pyrolytic_graphite_2/spin.gif
Thought you might be interested in this.
This coil was powered up with ac 12 volts placed in water and frozen.
If you look closely there are two electric fields but that is because of the winding, the coil was wound and powered to cancel the magnetic field.
Although the magnetic field is not completely canceled its in a bucking configuration, the reason for the two fields.
I have one powered with dc will look it up.
This is the field that actually transfers energy from one coil to the next in a magnetic loop not the magnetic field.
The magnetic field is more like an axle this field spins around.
Quote from: Bob Smith on July 18, 2014, 09:24:49 AM
This would imply that magnetic fields have a frequency(ies), which is/are directly related to the frequency of the "time variable electric charge and currents"?
Yes,
Gyromagnetic ratios, and magnetic precession is nothing of my discovery, this principle is part and parcel to all magnetic
resonance imaging (MRI), nuclear magnetic resonance imaging (NMRI) technology, however the entire field of MRI technology
is senseless and clueless that a permanent magnet exhibits this due to a special magneto-dielectric field geometry. MRI use enormous
power to generate these magnetic precessions, which field contrasts are then used to image and determine what is being scanned.
Enormous pulsing power is used in the creation of MRI images, however a single large pulse is used to create an identical precessional
magnetic geometry in the permanent magnet. As is the case with most technology, things are discovered and perfected without
actually understanding or caring about the principles behind them
Quote from: Bob Smith on July 18, 2014, 09:24:49 AM
Every once in awhile, I hear about magnetricity, which seems to me to be based on the idea that magnetic "current" can be harvested and used to light up lightbulbs and power motors, etc.,. Most explanations I find are either steeped in new age ideology and terminology or articulated with antequated notions of electrons spinning around atoms or are secretly vague/abstruse or a mix of all three. My question: In your opinion, if magnetricity were possible, would it have to do with influencing or tapping into the strength of the dielectric plane?
Well, taking the position of CP Steinmetz, Heavisidse, Tesla and others, there is no such Unicorn as a "discharge particle" , i.e. the 'electron'. It absolutely does not exist, and its mental creation is a false understanding of the function of charge transference.
No, said "magne-tricity" (your term) is not possible, magnetism is definitionally radiation and always a terminus posterior to a prior. We all know how to get electrification by movement of a polarized (=magnet) field, but magnetism is not an entity that can or could exist of its own accord. It exists inter-atomically resultant to charge, in T.E.M. and macro-magnetically in a "magnet" resultant to its disequilibrium from electrification where the interatomic magneto-dielectricity is WAY out of balance.
By "new age" you mean the CULT OF QUANTUM which makes nothing, invents nothing, and only produces mental fecal matter.
The people that invented 100% of our modern world , Tesla, JC Maxwell, CP Steinmetz, Heaviside, they all collectively spit at this mental midgetry that has invaded current "science".
Quote from: Bob Smith on July 18, 2014, 09:24:49 AM
If the dielectric plane is where the "pinch" is located, is this not where the real power is?
Yes, that is the case. A magnet is "squealing" from dielectric 'pinch' ;D ;D ;D
grab a mouse around his mid-section and squeeze, listen to him squeal. ;D ;D ;D (humor) Here be the magnetism in a "magnet" (electrified dielectric object) "squealing" with polarization
ROFL
OF WHICH under a perfect condition is 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism
ALL of this is detailed in the book.
SEE the "Squeeze" !!!!! ;D ;D
Quote from: Dave45 on July 18, 2014, 12:18:58 PM
Thought you might be interested in this.
This coil was powered up with ac 12 volts placed in water and frozen.
You brilliant bastard!!!!!!!!! ;) Have you tried that with a conventional neodymium magnet yet
Wonderful work!!!!! ;D ;) ;)
thanks for showing those pics!!!!!!! You're AWESOME
Quote from: nathan97 on July 18, 2014, 11:05:38 AM
See this one ? Neo magnet spinning in between two sheets of highly diamagnetic pyrolityc graphite
http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/pyrolytic_graphite_2/spin.gif
Yes indeed, I have LOTS of pyrolytic graphite ;D
see a bit here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6je5P1BOp3A
Thanks TA,
I'd better get reading your book.
Was that a rodent coil? ;D
Quote from: gravityblock on July 18, 2014, 07:37:15 AM
The magnetic field moves with it's source!
Exactly true. I can easily and PERMANENTLY ruin the magnetic gauss rating of a magnet to a great degree by
horribly deforming the dielectric inertial plane by applying a LOW VOLTAGE (6volts) in small quick pulses along the inertial plane.
Every "magnet" has its 'engine' in the dielectric inertial plane at the midpoint to ANY and EVERY magnet which is ALWAYS self-centering and part of field incommensurability in a magneto-dielectric conjugate system.
Quote from: tinman on July 18, 2014, 08:45:19 AM
We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet spins in the same direction-so what pole is produced from the wire?
Ive made MANY homopolar 'toys'.
WHAT SPIN "DIRECTION" (CW / CCW) !!!!!!??????? ;D ;D CW and CCW are spatial "MIND SKREWS" of human perception. ::) ;D
spin ANY OBJECT, your cat, your wife, a ball, a book (ROFL) and on one "end" its moving clockwise, and the other "end" its moving counterclockwise.
but the object is WHOLLY being spun in ONLY one
direction at any time. Polarity = Spatial = CW/CCW ...........these are the
mental skrew of human (MIS)understanding
Ultimately there is NO "polarity" in a "magnet"
only field reciprocation and MOVEMENT along lowest pressure gradients, of which FIELDS in their instantaneous attributional creation, generates the ATTRIBUTE OF SPACE , that being polarization.
Chains of causation:
1. Field(s)
2. space
3. polarization
However, logically one can say that
2 and 3 are co-eternalSpace is an attribute of a FIELD,
there are no "fields in space", only SPACE as an attribute, and posterior (in creation) from FIELDS.
This is why Einstein was a mental midget, he REIFIED the attribute of FIELDS , that being SPACE as "something" that "does things" and "acts on things"
Tesla talked about this EXACTLY AND SPECIFICALLY, and why he verbally slapped the hell out of Einstein in his writings.
Tesla described relativity as "a beggar wrapped in purple whom ignorant people take for a king." The theory, "he said, "wraps all these errors and fallacies and clothes them in magnificent
mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king. Its exponents are very brilliant men, but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists. Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved."
– N. Tesla"Too bad, Sir Isaac, they dimmed your renown and turned your great science upside down. Now a long haired crank, Einstein by
name, puts on your high teaching all the blame. (he) Says: matter and force are transmutable and wrong the laws you thought
immutable. I am much too ignorant, my son, for grasping (crazy) schemes so finely spun."
- N. Tesla (Fragments of Olympian
Gossip. by Nikola Tesla regarding Einstein)
Tesla said of theory of relativity: "a mass of error and deceptive ideas violently opposed to the teachings of great men of science of
the past and even to common sense."
- N. Tesla
The day humans "see" this fact, PROGRESS will be made.
Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko's works and formulas prove this fact, HOWEVER (horribly!!) he doesnt ever realize it
http://www.rexresearch.com/jefimenko/jefimenko.htm
Quote from: Bob Smith on July 18, 2014, 03:30:36 PM
Was that a rodent coil? ;D
A "constrictor" coil ;D ;D
Quote from: tinman on July 18, 2014, 08:45:19 AM
Lets look at this in a different way.
Who here can explain how the homopolar motor work's,and why the same cant be achieved using PM's ???
If the line's of flux(as we call them) are straight on the PM from north to south(using standard modle here),and the magnetic field produced from the wire is the same all around the wire,then why dose the magnet rotate(if using the rotating magnet type motor)in one direction?
We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet spins in the same direction-so what pole is produced from the wire?.
Why is the force from the wire only in one direction?-where is the equal and opposite reaction?(force)
Added picture.
This is not correct. One pole of a magnet will induce a CW rotation, and the opposite pole of the same magnet will induce a CCW rotation. So, flipping the poles of the magnet will change the direction of rotation. Likewise, changing the polarity of the current will also change the direction of rotation. Poles of a magnet is a concept, and should only be used as a reference point to which particular side or end of the magnet we are referring to.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 18, 2014, 11:51:59 PM
Poles of a magnet is a concept, and should only be used as a reference point to which particular side or end of the magnet we are referring to.
well said.
Quote from: gravityblock on July 18, 2014, 11:51:59 PM
This is not correct. One pole of a magnet will induce a CW rotation, and the opposite pole of the same magnet will induce a CCW rotation. So, flipping the poles of the magnet will change the direction of rotation. Likewise, changing the polarity of the current will also change the direction of rotation. Poles of a magnet is a concept, and should only be used as a reference point to which particular side or end of the magnet we are referring to.
Gravock
I said nothing about flipping the poles of a the magnet. I said ,Quote: We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet will still rotate in the same direction-And this is correct thank you.Please read post correctly ,before saying some one is incorrect.
Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2014, 03:57:17 AM
I said nothing about flipping the poles of a the magnet. I said ,Quote: We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet will still rotate in the same direction-And this is correct thank you.Please read post correctly ,before saying some one is incorrect.
All polarization = spatial is a mind skr3w. ANY rotation is moving in the "same direction", only apparently different from SPATIALLY SEPARATED ENDS.
Euclidean method,......pen and paper to the rescue!!!
Just print the
SAME SHEET about 10 times, then roll 2 up into cones. etc etc.......
TA
I spent the afternoon fooling around with different magnet configurations in water,then passing a current through them. This is something that was shown some time ago,but there was never a clear answer given as to why we get the vortex effect. maybe this time some one will explain.
I am editing the video now,and will upload as soon as it's done. Will post in this thread asap.
Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2014, 04:11:03 AM
TA
I spent the afternoon fooling around with different magnet configurations in water,then passing a current through them. This is something that was shown some time ago,but there was never a clear answer given as to why we get the vortex effect.
Its easy, see pics JUST ABOVE, even "vortex" movements are just straight lines against a fulcrum of an opposing force.
like a dog chained to a pole that runs round and round (winding himself CLOSER to the pole) he draws out a centriPETAL movement
opposite, of that, he draws out a CENTRIFUGAL movement.
All movement of FORCE and FIELD modalities are really straight lines twisted due to spatial / counterspatial Divergent/ convergent field reciprocations / repulsions / attractions, etc etc etc.
You mean that "magnetflipper" guys videos???
The water vortex movement is simple water hydrolysis where the hydrogen bubbles move themselves centrifugally in the magnetic current.
I have 4 other ways of doing that which have NOTHING do to with adding etc, electricity. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 01:58:58 PM
IN WHICH, in perfect condition, is 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism.
Nice (see snapshot below)!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 04:47:33 AM
Nice (see snapshot below)!
Gravock
Yes, yes yes.
I have made discoveries on the golden section in the past 12 years that would blow your mind off your neck. ;)
5+ Phi^-3 = Golden circle of incommensurability (MY DISCOVERY)course MOST people have NO idea what incommensurability is........but it was the "
most important secret to the Platonists and Pythagoreans". took me a few years to unite these 2 incommensurate golden proportions and make a proof (that would take 100 pages to explain, and I wont do it here)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 04:21:58 AM
You mean that "magnetflipper" guys videos???
The water vortex movement is simple water hydrolysis where the hydrogen bubbles move themselves centrifugally in the magnetic current.
I have 4 other ways of doing that which have NOTHING do to with adding etc, electricity. ;D
According to Faraday himself on page 136 in a publication titled, "Experimental researches in electricity / by Michael Faraday (http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/Rarebook_treasures/QC503F211839_PDF/QC503F211839v2.pdf)", the outward force or pressure acting on the rotating wire piece can not be attributed to the fictitious centrifugal force. If the outward force was due to the centrifugal force alone, then the distance between the rotating wire piece and magnet would not increase as the speed of revolution decreases (see the snapshot of page 136 below). This outward pressure in addition to the torquing force is more evidence of a magnetic vortex.
Gravock
Hristo Ditchev describes in detail in his work how concentric ring structures will form by carefully dropping iron powder onto the surface of the water!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 06:27:05 AM
According to Faraday himself on page 136 in a publication titled, "Experimental researches in electricity / by Michael Faraday (http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/Rarebook_treasures/QC503F211839_PDF/QC503F211839v2.pdf)", the outward force or pressure acting on the rotating wire piece can not be attributed to the fictitious centrifugal force. If the outward force was due to the centrifugal force alone, then the distance between the rotating wire piece and magnet would not increase as the speed of revolution decreases (see the snapshot of page 136 below). This outward pressure in addition to the torquing force is more evidence of a magnetic vortex.
Gravock
No offense to Faraday, but HIS was the stone age of electrical and magnetic understanding, despite the ENORMOUS amount he DID discover.
It seems you are forgetting that each "face" of EVERY magnet has BOTH a centrifugal AND a centripetal field reciprocation.
What "fictitious centrifugal field"? ;D ;D Its there most absolutely,
even a magnetometer will tell you that much, not to mention 20 other testing mediums.
Every vortex is just a torque from the dielectric.
A vortex is a STRAIGHT LINE AS MOVED AGAINST AN OPPOSING FORCE,......see pic below
Magnetism is field torque definitionally since its polarized (=spatial).
The diagram below is from the pack of idiots who think each side of a magnet "has a field", it doesnt it has 2 FIELD ZONES.
Every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
You state:
If the outward force was due to the centrifugal force alone
Yes, thats because of 2, 6, and 10 ABOVE. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 06:39:30 AM
No offense to Faraday, but HIS was the stone age of electrical and magnetic understanding, despite the ENORMOUS amount he DID discover.
It seems you are forgetting that each "face" of EVERY magnet has BOTH a centrifugal AND a centripetal field reciprocation.
What "fictitious centrifugal field"? ;D ;D Its there most absolutely, even a magnetometer will tell you that much, not to mention 20 other testing mediums.
Every vortex is just a torque from the dielectric.
A vortex is a STRAIGHT LINE AS MOVED AGAINST AN OPPOSING FORCE,......see pic below
Magnetism is field torque definitionally since its polarized (=spatial).
The diagram below is from the pack of idiots who think each side of a magnet "has a field", it doesnt it has 2 FIELD ZONES.
Every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
You state:
If the outward force was due to the centrifugal force alone
Yes, thats because of 2, 6, and 10 ABOVE. ;D
No, I am not forgetting that each "face" of EVERY magnet has BOTH a centrifugal AND a centripetal field reciprocation. The centrifugal force is most commonly understood as an outward force apparent in a rotating reference frame. It is apparent (fictitious) in the sense that it is not part of an interaction but is a result of rotation, with no reaction-force counterpart. This type of force is associated with describing motion in a non-inertial reference frame, and referred to as a fictitious or inertial force (a description that must be understood as a technical usage of these words that means only that the force is not present in a stationary or inertial frame). For example, the air pressure from a fan placed in a rotating frame blowing air outwards or (centrifugally) can be detected in a stationary frame. This is not the case for the centrifugal force!
Gravock
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 04:52:27 AM
Yes, yes yes.
I have made discoveries on the golden section in the past 12 years that would blow your mind off your neck. ;)
5+ Phi^-3 = Golden circle of incommensurability (MY DISCOVERY)
course MOST people have NO idea what incommensurability is........but it was the "most important secret to the Platonists and Pythagoreans".
took me a few years to unite these 2 incommensurate golden proportions and make a proof (that would take 100 pages to explain, and I wont do it here)
From what I can tell, you have taken the work of Jerry E. Bayles, Oliver Crane (RQM view of the magnetic field), David LaPointe, and others while claiming it as your own work by repackaging it. What are the odds of finding equations related to the ratio of 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism and the golden ratio (see first snapshot below) with the uncommon word of incommensurable (see second snapshot below) along with a very similar magnetic field model, all of which is by the same author of Jerry E. Bayles (see third snapshot below)? It appears Bayles' quantum vlm rotational velocity is the same as your "dielectric inertial plane".
Gravock
Ok ,well here is some test i carried out today,using an effect we have seen befor,but tried in many different configurations. So who can explain clearly how and why we get a spin-and please take note of where i place the copper plate(anode),and where the wires are running.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8DqMBzkIc&feature=youtu.be
@TA (short for @TheoriaApophasis)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I just went through this thread. I knew you were at energeticforum (EF) but just saw the thread here as well. @TA this forum is not your regular "bow-to-the-all-knowing" forums you see elsewhere. We have been to hell and back here. The level of discussion here will probably go to all the forms of intensity. @MH and @TK are not young boys and being treated as such is a major insult on your part and you should not entertain such attitudes. I myself am 57 so please do not boy me around as well. I am also not impressed by money, patents or academia. We are all here to learn, hopefully from each other and not be postulated from above.
Basically, you need to revise your intent. Are you here to......
1 - boast about how smart you are
2 - try to impress others with your long words
3 - teach others something new
If you are here for #3, fine, but just know that just because you are smart, this does not automatically endow you with the worldy attribute of being a good teacher. Knowing something and teaching something are not automatically a given. You will surely need to work on your teaching skills, first by dumbing down your theories as you did say in the first pages that a 15 year will understand. Well it aint work'in.
Now.........First off, does anyone have change for a dollar. I'm all out of quarters to ask a question. hehehe
I sent you a PM at EF and invited you to read a doc I prepared some years ago that will provide you with some of the logic base I have been using thus far in my own effort to understand this universe of ours, but mainly the effects I see on my work bench. I consider myself as having a fresh logic based mind. I am not well versed in Faraday, Steinmetz or others as this was a voluntary condition I made internally to isolate myself so I can then use my own powers of observation without being conditioned by anyone elses point of view. Something like "What would a fresh mind say". However, I am well versed in Tesla and for one, Tesla was not that open to discuss his universal theories in full detail but was more of a nuts & bolts guy (as I am) so for me, Tesla did not overly influence my present viewpoints or logic base. He did however provide me with a wealth of experimentation bases, enough to realize that he must not have been overly satisfied with AC as I think there is definitely better then AC, that I call Dual AC.
Let's just get one major fact out of the way first. that is, if you are open to constructive criticism I can go on and on with way more questions.
Also, let's be very clear on the dynamics of truth........... You may be very right about others being wrong, but this does not automatically make your own ideas right. Being right has to pass its own stages of Cross-Examination and Cross-Comparison (CECC) and cannot be influenced by others being wrong. If you agree to this one fact, then your doc in some way has value to me in the first instance for pointing out where others are (or could be) wrong, but in terms of your ideas, I still have to keep reading to see if all these ideas can be held together in an overall cohesive manner. That will be very difficult to do because you are entertaining so many facets that it is just extremely tedious to absorb without the time for them to meld into an inner vision of reality. Surely not material for a 15 year old and one read will never cut it. So when you say, did you read the book, anyone can read a book, but who will understand it is a better question.
One question we are all affected by is this. What are the chances that any one person living or dead will be completely right about every effect in the universe? Just think about it and maybe this will bring you to a more humbled level of interaction with others.
The answers have to be as natural as you or me being alive feels natural.
Example 1:
The video of your magnet lifting up those nails in the shaper box is a problem where you are giving such a long explanation of extremely complicated field relationships. But in reality the effect is so simple. When you approach the magnet slowly the closest nails under the magnet are held up because the closest nails have the time required to concentrate the magnetism more then the nails beside them. When you approach the magnet quickly, the magnetization time is spread out to all the nails in the region of influence. The nails under the magnet lift up but could not monopolize all the magnetism that has now spread out to nails that have not moved up. When you tilt the box to show the effect and see that an area of nails around the center now did not fall like all the other nails, that is because the raised center nails and the non-raised outer nails are all locked in position, magnetized. This has nothing to do with anything more then that. Reading more into an effect then there really is can be a basis for some viewpoints to be overly worked, overly complicated and far more prone to fail under closer examination.
You said it yourself. "Nature does not do math", so how then can functional explanations of nature be any more complicated then a one sentence description. Two at most. This is one of my own measuring sticks of logic. 1 - 2 sentences, not more. If you can boil down all your theories (I am saying theory because at this stage we are all walking theories) and bring them down to layman terms where the reader can see develop a true character of the ether, then for me it is doing justice and I can only hope for you that such a skill will eventually mature. Teaching is an art that is not inbred, so maybe use your time here to practice this art and learn from it yourself.
Imagine I am still at page 21. I have had to read and re-read those pages and am still in ambiguity to the actual main premises. I am afraid to read on because this will just mix things up even more and I will have to start over again. But I will continue on.
Also, knowing my own character, once I finally finish reading your book I will want to cut it into pieces because there will be loose ends, and, I hate loose ends.
Example 2:
Ferrofluid. I have to admit that I have no purely 100% logical explanation for the cones. If the cones where produced by only pouring the ferrofluid, that would be an easy call, but the ferrofuild is flat when the magnet is removed and when the magnet is applied again underneath, the cones just rise out of the flat layer. That is a good one to figure out and I will eventually. But, as a quick study, I imagine it has to do with the same effect that produces the raising of mountains from compressing tectonic plates plus the overall viscosity of the liquid used to provide some suspension of the ferric mass particles that are all looking to compress themselves towards the magnetic center, hence mini-tectonic forces producing your angles of the cones, but that are also influenced by their maximum piling on ability before they have to avalanche down again into a new but same type of geometric pattern. For me this only is based on the pull force of the magnet being uniform, leaving the viscosity to create the geometric balances of the ferric dust.
But to say this effect is the result of multi fields moving both ways, one lifting up, the other pushing down onto a geometrically uniform pattern is something that just does not click. If the magnet is both pushing up and pulling down in a geometrical pattern and that is the only cause of the cones, then you will have to explain why, with the addition or removal of a volume of ferrofluid, does the pattern itself change. If the cause of the cone pattern is the magnet field pattern, then why does the cone pattern change? If your premise is correct, then the pattern should stay exactly the same and the only change should be higher or lower cones. But it does not. Do you see the logic of this questioning?
To take this a step further as an avid OUer looking for new effects, then the same ferrofluid effect should be visible using an electromagnet that would enable one to see if the cones are again produced, but better still, what the effects would be when changing the pulse frequency, this may enable to discover that such cones are more or less prevalent at certain frequency ranges, that would provide another clue to the magnets function.
Attacking the question of magnets in the manner you are doing is definitely not an easy task. The energy that is driving the magnet is coming from where is the main question that needs to be resolved and that answer then has to meet a whole array of other side-effects.
Again one of the reasons I pointed you to my doc is to at least give you some ideas on where that base energy is coming from and from all logical points of view, I can only summarize that the base energy to drive atoms is coming from the actual movement of the object against static etheric space. But then I read "there is no Ether in space, only space within the Ether", just cannot figure that one out. If you said, space is a concentration of ether at value x, and mass produces concentrations of ether at values from y1 to yzillion, that I could agree with and falls into the ether acting as a pile on effect or what I call Ether Impress as being your magnetic field.
My main stance is ether is everywhere. In space, in atoms, in magnetism, in action at a distance, in everything man. So where is this "no ether in space" thing coming from? Why should ether have a preference? Ether if everywhere does not have to move anywhere because it is already in everything. We move through ether and not ether moves through us, just like as our planet, solar system and galaxy all have an additive effect on mass moving through ether, so do all other galaxies in their own right and at their own minimal mass threshold speeds of movement. The law of action/reaction will logically want that the same mass moving at a different speed will create a different effect on the base frequency of atomic nature and this will produce different effects as we see them in the universe. We look at the stars, the galaxies and see so many effects that we try to figure out, but the first question to ask is, what speed is that galaxy moving through space compared to ours? That's what I would like to know.
Anyways........Keep on.
Oh and as usual for me, sorry for long post. hehehe
wattsup
Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2014, 11:19:03 AM
Ok ,well here is some test i carried out today,using an effect we have seen befor,but tried in many different configurations. So who can explain clearly how and why we get a spin-and please take note of where i place the copper plate(anode),and where the wires are running.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8DqMBzkIc&feature=youtu.be
@tinman
The simple fact that you are producing bubbles in water is enough to produce the spin. The bubbles when created displace the surrounding water that wants to move back into the position where is was before it was displaced. All those bubbles now move upwards and given the bubbles are round and the water has friction, any main rise direction will produce some spin that will be maintained until another spin direction becomes more prevalent. We cannot say that it is the magnetic field above the magnet that is creating the spin, but we do see the effect and we can easily misunderstand this as the magnet generating the spin on its own.
In your case there is no magnetic attraction between the bubbles and the magnet since the bubbles are not metallic or magnetic themselves. They are just caught up in the rising momentum all reaching the top and then continuing to rise out. Also, the bubbles rising up the magnet sidewall create a differential of surface stress on the magnet that adds to the momentum of spin, but again, none of that can be directly attributable to the magnetic field.
Anyways, the main question then arises as per the effects explained by @TA, and that is, in one instance the magnet is producing a vortex but in another instance the magnet is producing cones with ferrofluid. So which one is it, vortex or cones.
wattsup
Wattsup:
Taken from Theoria's PDF:
QuoteThe reason ferrofluid forms cone shaped spikes along any pole is that the raised apexes are the alternating centripetal and centrifugal
points of preponderance which raise themselves not as lines but as cones. Nothing in nature moves in lines, rather in spirals. To raise
any single portion of the ferrofluid is to create inter-atomic magnetic dilation in the ferrofluid, which approaches in a cone-first vortex,
as any plane of centrifugal acceleration is cone-base first, whereas any vortex plane of expulsion from the magnet is apex first.
As is the case, any centrifugal vortex is cone-acceleration as highest and any centripetal vortex is apex acceleration as highest.
Pressure increases in inverse proportions to the field. As is likewise the case with all fields, the greater the pressure the closer the
spatial proximity to field voidance. This concept of the Ether is extremely hard for people to understand. Just as at the center of any
magnet, the dielectric inertial plane, there is no magnetism, likewise if one were able to occupy a space at the center of the Earth there
would be no gravity, likewise at the axle of any field disturbance there is neither a field no acceleration. Polarization, and acceleration
exist radially from the apex of magnetic field, but inversely accelerate towards the apex centripetally, however regardless of
centrifugal or centripetal movement, at the center between both there is neither a field nor acceleration, this is the membrane of all
fields in counterspace; in the case of the magnet, this membrane is 'open', and is the dielectric inertial plane.
I highlighted the first sentence for the ferrofluid explanation, it is wrong. I highlighted the second sentence as a bonus because it is wrong but not related to the ferrofluid explanation. It's just so fundamentally wrong that it deserved to be highlighted.
Going back to the ferrofluid cones, there is indeed a one-sentence explanation that is simple, concise, and clear. It's clear if you understand the underlying concepts.
You know the old saying, usually the simplest explanation is the correct explanation.
MileHigh
Quote from: wattsup
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@MH and @TK are not young boys and being treated as such is a major insult on your part and you should not entertain such attitudes. I myself am 57 so please do not boy me around as well. I am also not impressed by money, patents or academia. We are all here to learn, hopefully from each other and not be postulated from above.
Basically, you need to revise your intent. Are you here to......
1 - boast about how smart you are
2 - try to impress others with your long words
3 - teach others something new
If you are here for #3, fine, but just know that just because you are smart, this does not automatically endow you with the worldy attribute of being a good teacher. Knowing something and teaching something are not automatically a given. You will surely need to work on your teaching skills, first by dumbing down your theories as you did say in the first pages that a 15 year will understand. Well it aint work'in.
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When men get all hypersensitive and start talkin'
like "wimmin" - it's the old power thing again.
Insult - Schminsult - now you guys are starting to
sound like Erron over at EF.
The Attackers here are very skilled at provoking
confrontational exchanges; they're also very
good at deflecting responsibility. They seem to
think their privileged status exempts them from
the rules of good order and discipline. That they
have earned the "right" to play mischief in their
attacks.
Nothing is more pathetic than a Forum Man who
can dish it out but can't take the blowback.
You of course know to whom these references are
being made.
Set the Example of Gentlemanly conduct and it
will be found that Courtesy is Contagious.
Unless the Bad Boys persist in their fun...
But remember, there is a better Way.
SeaMonkey:
You lose perspective so easily it's not funny. It's like you are hard-wired to believe that "the alternative guy must be right" even when you have to deal with an internal dichotomy. You have enough technical knowledge to know that the vast majority of what Theoria is stating is quite frankly "crazy whackadoo nonsense." You know that he is wrong but your hard-wiring takes over and you will defend the underdog, because defending the underdog is more important than what's right and what's wrong. So you have an internal conflict and what always wins is the "alternative guy." And that is your great flaw, you support things that you know are wrong because you are against "the system."
QuoteThe Attackers here are very skilled at provoking confrontational exchanges;
Indeed, you can't even think straight sometimes because of that hard wiring. I am not "attacking" Theoria, I am challenging his propositions because they are a form of "knowledge pollution" and people deserve to hear both sides in a debate.
QuoteThey seem to think their privileged status exempts them from the rules of good order and discipline."
You must be talking about Theoria? Whoops, I guess you are alleging that I am the one breaking the rules. When did I ever say or imply I had a privileged status? Your hard-wiring distorts your perception. When you post things like that you sound like the worst of the worst of the "Powers-that-Be spin doctors." It's like reading Pravda in 1972.
QuoteNothing is more pathetic than a Forum Man who can dish it out but can't take the blowback."
You can kiss my ass when you use the term "Forum Man" trying to imply that I am some sort of "paid operative" that's here to rebut nonsensical stuff like you are reading in this thread.
Ultimately, you are messed up in the head. Like you walked head-first into the barrel of a 16-inch gun in 1963 and you never recovered from the very serious concussion you received.
Stop trying to imply that I am something that I am not. Stop trying to imply that I am devious and intentionally attacking Theoria. Let your innate knowledge and understanding about electronics overcome that messed up hard wiring in your head. It's the same hard wiring that turns you into that "apocalypse is coming, the great battle between good and evil is almost upon us" guy standing on a virtual street corner holding up a 10-year-old placard that says, "The End is Nigh."
What ridiculous and dark and dreary spinning you can do when your hard wiring takes over. You look at a thread like this and you go into overdrive and you suppress your own innate technical intelligence that is telling you that I am just arguing the common sense straight goods and Theoria is just one of hundreds of guys that has miraculously "discovered" the "secret" of magnetism. You know just as well as me that he can't back anything up but like some self-programmed drone you support him anyways.
There is something really creepy in you that gives me the shivers. You are your own Cabal unto yourself and nobody should drink your Kool-Aid. Rather, they should run away as fast as they can.
MileHigh
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 06:27:05 AM
According to Faraday himself on page 136 in a publication titled, "Experimental researches in electricity / by Michael Faraday (http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/Rarebook_treasures/QC503F211839_PDF/QC503F211839v2.pdf)", the outward force or pressure acting on the rotating wire piece can not be attributed to the fictitious centrifugal force. If the outward force was due to the centrifugal force alone, then the distance between the rotating wire piece and magnet would not increase as the speed of revolution decreases (see the snapshot of page 136 below). This outward pressure in addition to the torquing force is more evidence of a magnetic vortex.
Gravock
In the original Faraday motor,
the current carrying conductor is pushed away from the magnet by an outwards force which can be attributed to a pressure wave. This shows a field in motion around the permanent magnet. Figure 1 shows a pressure wave associated with the magnetic potential A vector and the magnetic flux B field. The A vector and the B vector are normal (90 degrees) to each other and both are also normal to the outwards moving pressure wave. It has been demonstrated that a strong enough magnetic field can suspend a live frog with the associated pressure wave of that same field without harming the frog. The pressure wave works on the individual particles on the quantum scale in a collective manner much as gravity does. The pressure wave will increase as the square of the current. For a 100 ampere current, the value will be 10,000 times larger than a 1 ampere current. The adjacent current element may be used to cause a directional projection of the force field resulting from the pressure wave and the fixed current element. This current element can also move if free to do so. The external current element can be used to introduce asymmetry into the uniform pressure field and therefore cause a force unbalance that can do work on the system so as to move it in the desired direction.
The outward moving pressure wave is divorced from the magnetic field proper and therefore can be used to move the entire system via Newton's law of every action engenders an opposite and equal reaction even if the magnet and the current are connected to a common support. This is by reason that the pressure wave has its own inertia and can be regarded as a separate entity, much as for a photon. The Faraday motor as demonstrated uses a permanent magnet and a d.c. current in the rotor wire. The direction of rotation should remain the same if the direction of the magnetic flux from the magnet as well as the direction of current flow in the rotor wire are both changed simultaneously. Further, the direction of the pressure wave will also continue to be moving outwards. This may be an advantage from the standpoint of resonance where a strong impulse can cause a resonant circuit to ring in the form of a damped wave and if the circuit has low losses, the resonance will allow for the alternating current to continue without further input for an appreciable time. The frequency of resonance may be chosen to be equal to the f
MG frequency. Thus, the magnet can now be an electromagnet and capacitor arrangement.
Reference: The Faraday Motor And The Magnetic Vector Potential (http://www.electrogravity.com/FARADAY/A_VecFaraday1.pdf), by Jerry E. Bayles (see snapshot below for a quick reference)
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 07:04:31 AM
This type of force is associated with describing motion in a non-inertial reference frame, and referred to as a fictitious or inertial force
True, the centrifugal magnetism is being 'driven' by the dielectrical inertial plane at the midpoint of every magnet.
Yes, this centrifugal is a "FAKE" inertial force.
magnetism is definitionally radiation of and within the magneto-dielectric inter-atomic, a "magnet" only makes this fundamental Aether force VERY APPARENT to us dumb human critters.
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 07:04:31 AM
with no reaction-force counterpart
Its (centrifugal magnetism) reaction force counterpart is merely itself which moves CENTRIPETALLY within its own spatial (=polarization) recriprocation.
But this is one system-whole, it is not ANOTHER force, but the SAME, however 180 degrees opposite the centrifugal field
Its movement of course is NET-0
Moving this NET-0 however is moving SPACE itself (the posterior attribute of ANY and all fields), and such we get electrification due to superluminal "breaking" upon the dielectric plane within copper windings.
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 07:47:57 AM
From what I can tell.......David LaPointe,
Like *@&^@^^!@ HELL......
David LaPointe is FULL OF SH*T ;D ;D Yes, I know his videos well. Theyre well made, and HALF right.
However he misses the 800 pound gorilla that "DRIVES" magnetism, dielectricity.
I feet sorry for David LaPointe, he works hard, hes trying to understand, but hes got it waaaaaaaay wrong.
he actually thinks the TOP vortex formation in his "bowls" analogy is magnetism, and the bottom is electrical
Uggggggh He just needs a hard slap against the head.
He is 100% clueless about centripetal and centrifugal, and 10,000% CLUELESS that what forms his "double bowl" shape (as he accurately depicts) is the dielectric inertial plane driving the double hyperbola of centrifugal magnetism.
One HARD slap might fix his mental misunderstanding. (really hard).
He keeps talking about "magnetic bowl shaped formations", but hes clueless that what hes trying to grasp but doesnt is the DOUBLE HYPERBOLA of centrifugal magnetic fields reciprocating, and the center centripetal fields and between both of his "salad bowls" of magnetism is the dielectric inertial plane.
He also speak about magnetism as an entity in and of its on accord. Which nowhere exists in nature.
The "wave particle duality" nonsense is a misgrasp of the fact that ALL TEM ("transverse electromagnetism") contains a radial dielectric.
This is the REAL explanation behind the "photoelectric effect" to which the demented fool Einstein won his "prize".
He got most of descriptions right, but got the explanation wholly 100% wrong
This is extremely typical of the cult of quantum.
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 07:47:57 AM
and others while claiming it as your own work by repackaging it. What are the odds of finding equations related to the ratio of 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism and the golden ratio (see first snapshot below) with the uncommon word of incommensurable (see second snapshot below) along with a very similar magnetic field model, all of which is by the same author of Jerry E. Bayles (see third snapshot below)? It appears Bayles' quantum vlm rotational velocity is the same as your "dielectric inertial plane".
Listen up, ( Jerry E. Bayles, Oliver Crane) .........I NEVER HEARD OF THOSE OTHER 2 GUYS, and as for David LaPointe, I ONLY saw his well made RANCIDLY WRONG well-made videos after I was 80% done with my book.
David LaPointe doesn't understand a DAMN THING, he NEVER mentions the dielectric inertial plane, he is kinda on the "right track" but OHHHHHHH SOOOOOOOO WRONG
He just needs a hard slap. But he sounds like a hubris filled fool. HIS IDIOT "bowl shaped" magnets, he doesnt even grasp that his "salad bowls" are the shape of centrifugal magnetic flow, a pair of double hyperbolas.
Dont compare his well made TRASH VIDEOS with anything Ive written. YOU SAID:
It appears Bayles' quantum vlm rotational velocity is the same as your "dielectric inertial plane".
It looks like thats the case yes, TOO BAD his brain fahrt calls is a "quantum rim"
When IDIOTS in the Cult of Quantum dont "get" something they call it "Quantum X" ......I know exactly what the hell it is, he obviously doesn't ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 07:47:57 AM
What are the odds of finding equations related to the ratio of 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism and the golden ratio (see first snapshot below) with the uncommon word of incommensurable
Let me give you a HEADS UP, I translate ancient Greek, and am the
#1 person in the world as EXPERT on Greek Incommensurability, and have written 2 small books on that topic
proof of same here of my works into that LONG LONG AGO:https://archive.org/details/IndefiniteDyadPlotinusMetaphysicsMysticism
https://archive.org/details/PythagorasPlatoAndTheGoldenRatio
however that last book is very incomplete, I wrote it a LONG LONG TIME ago.
If ANYONE stole anything about the golden section, and Incommensurability, and Phi^2 ,
its them from myself. I have 3 HAND written books of notes , each 250 pages on MY discoveries into incommensurability and the golden section,
took me 4 years to make this proof, and it certainly has nothing to do with the idiots you quoted. >>
Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2014, 11:19:03 AM
Ok ,well here is some test i carried out today,using an effect we have seen befor,but tried in many different configurations. So who can explain clearly how and why we get a spin-and please take note of where i place the copper plate(anode),and where the wires are running.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8DqMBzkIc&feature=youtu.be
Lovely video!!!!
Lovely video!! You are officially awesome
However, as is the case, there are
5 diff. methods (more really) to see (my videos) this vortex WITHOUT having to zap your magnetnevertheless your method (as originally duplicated by 'magnetflipper' you youtube) produces vortex from hydrogen bubbles.
There are 2 METHODS I have found (that have nothing to do with zapping a magnet) to SHOW magnetic vortex movement.
1. Use FAST moving HIGH volume medium like the force lines in a CRT tube, or neon tube, or your H2 bubbles
OR
2. (my best demos) use LOW volume viscous SLOW MOVING materials in a suspension (see my videos on this). ;) ;D
You're awesome
The reason for the "CW / CCW" is the necessitated field conjugation and magnetic reciprocation.
ultimately its all 'twisted' straight lines.
Quote from: wattsup on July 19, 2014, 12:51:14 PM
Example 1:
The video of your magnet lifting up those nails in the shaper box is a problem where you are giving such a long explanation of extremely complicated field relationships. But in reality the effect is so simple. When you approach the magnet slowly the closest nails under the magnet are held up because the closest nails have the time required to concentrate the magnetism more then the nails beside them. When you approach the magnet quickly, the magnetization time is spread out to all the nails in the region of influence.
You said it yourself. "Nature does not do math", so how then can functional explanations of nature be any more complicated then a one sentence description. Two at most. This is one of my own measuring sticks of logic. 1 - 2 sentences, not more. If you can boil down all your theories (I am saying theory because at this stage we are all walking theories) and bring them down to layman terms where the reader can see develop a true character of the ether, then for me it is doing justice and I can only hope for you that such a skill will eventually mature. Teaching is an art that is not inbred, so maybe use your time here to practice this art and learn from it yourself.
Imagine I am still at page 21. I have had to read and re-read those pages and am still in ambiguity to the actual main premises. I am afraid to read on because this will just mix things up even more and I will have to start over again. But I will continue on.
Also, knowing my own character, once I finally finish reading your book I will want to cut it into pieces because there will be loose ends, and, I hate loose ends.
But to say this effect is the result of multi fields moving both ways, one lifting up, the other pushing down onto a geometrically uniform pattern is something that just does not click. If the magnet is both pushing up and pulling down in a geometrical pattern and that is the only cause of the cones, then you will have to explain why, with the addition or removal of a volume of ferrofluid, does the pattern itself change. If the cause of the cone pattern is the magnet field pattern, then why does the cone pattern change? If your premise is correct, then the pattern should stay exactly the same and the only change should be higher or lower cones. But it does not. Do you see the logic of this questioning?
My main stance is ether is everywhere. In space, in atoms, in magnetism, in action at a distance, in everything man. So where is this "no ether in space" thing coming from? Why should ether have a preference? Ether if everywhere does not have to move anywhere because it is already in everything. We move through ether and not ether moves through us, just like as our planet, solar system and galaxy all have an additive effect on mass moving through ether, so do all other galaxies in their own right and at their own minimal mass threshold speeds of movement. The law of action/reaction will logically want that the same mass moving at a different speed will create a different effect on the base frequency of atomic nature and this will produce different effects as we see them in the universe. We look at the stars, the galaxies and see so many effects that we try to figure out, but the first question to ask is, what speed is that galaxy moving through space compared to ours? That's what I would like to know.
I have no such video using "nails" elaborate.
Yes, of course it can be boiled down much more so. And I have future videos for that. The book which is expanding is another matter.
"""But to say this effect is the result of multi fields moving both ways, one lifting up, the other pushing down onto a geometrically uniform pattern is something that just does not click."""
That it doesnt "click" is no ERR on my behalf. Simplex lowest-pressure cross-mediation is extremely simplex.
I love being refuted actually, and I stated my purpose here many times, I have no interest in convincing anyone of anything. They can wipe their arse with the book for all it matters.
IF HOWEVER someone (has happened a few times in this thread) has something very logical and coherent to say FOR or AGAINST any point, thats always of great USE, and great BENEFIT (to myself at any rate).
A friendly DEBATE isnt an argument. I respect all parties here, but this is NOT A personality contest, its an exchange of information and ideas. Sometimes rough, sometimes Smooth.
However I dont care one way or the other about anyone's "personality", if you care about mine, well, that lay at your own feet.
"""" If the cause of the cone pattern is the magnet field pattern, then why does the cone pattern change?""""
I explain same in a future video and the 3rd edition of the book, I state outright IN the book that "much WILL and NEEDS to be expanded upon".
"""""But then I read "there is no Ether in space, only space within the Ether", just cannot figure that one out.""""""
Neither can most people.
Polarity = Spatial = CW/CCW ...........these are the mental skr3w of human (MIS)understanding
Ultimately there is NO "polarity" in a "magnet" only field reciprocation and MOVEMENT along lowest pressure gradients, of which FIELDS in their instantaneous attributional creation, generates the ATTRIBUTE OF SPACE , that being polarization.
Chains of causation:
1. Field(s)
2. space
3. polarization
However, logically one can say that 2 and 3 are co-eternal
Space is an attribute of a FIELD, there are no "fields in space", only SPACE as an attribute, and posterior (in creation) from FIELDS.
This is why Einstein was a mental midget, he REIFIED the attribute of FIELDS , that being
SPACE as "something" that "does things" and "acts on things"""""My main stance is ether is everywhere. In space, in atoms, in magnetism, in action at a distance, in everything man. So where is this "no ether in space" """"Then you SHOULD HAVE ALREADY deduced from this fact that you are swimming IN fields upon fields WITHIN fields and other fields upon fields upon fields.
The Aether/Ether is NO-where (in space), Where, or GREEK TOPOS or "Khora" the "where" is as pertains TO space, AS posterior to any and all fields.
"look at the wide open spaces!!" (said the goof standing IN A FIELD (Khora) ...)
Youre talking about the baby before the mother (fields). ;D There is no space without a field, Space is POSTERIOR to any and all fields, either in simplex, OR compounded.
There is no "Ether in space", Space is POSTERIOR to ANY and ALL fields. Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko proves this (however he doesnt grasp the implicactions) in his books.
There is no "instant action at a distance" (THERE IS), but the premise is 100% flawed.
I did not mean by the title that there IS NO "instantaneous action at a distance (within fields)"
Of course there is, within fields 'instant action at a distance' without propagation speeds
(as proved by Tesla and E Dollard. Dr. O. Jefimenko and others regarding longitudinal field propagation).
But that the entire PREMISE is 100% flawed, regarding the statement of: "instantaneous action at a distance"
Field pressure gradients are not IN space nor therefore a modality of time.
So what is going on "instantly" is merely field inductions, pressures occurring "under" and preceding space which is merely a modality of any field.
So, taking the common phrase regarding fields (mag, grav, dielectric): " "instantaneous action at a distance"
we have removed the "INSTANTANEOUS" part as merely a human perceptual flaw of immanent fields within which there is space (but never a field IN space, rather space as attributional to or of a field).
"ACTION" can be removed, since we are only talking about field pressure gradients, inductions, charges and discharges. There are no "moment actions", since actions are comparators over 2 points in time. However the case is is that what something is in Principle it is in Attribute, likewise therefore deductively we can speak of X as both a THING/PRINCIPLE, and an ACTION/ATTRIBUTE, ........such as light-illumination, or will-willing. The very co-eternal principles, also, of and to any field.
"DISTANCE" can likewise therefore be eliminated, since we are talking about the attribute and EFFECT WITHIN any field(s). There are no "distances" , since this is a conceptual abstraction of fields which are impinging/interacting within / to/ against etc. each other.
ANY retardations of field action-propagation are logically only merely resistances encountered from intervening field-modality inductions/capacitance; or field voidance or counter-voidance pressures
So, having eliminated all 3 main words within "instantaneous action at a distance", whats left? Only fields logically. .... Well, we are left with "AT"
Field pressure AT another field
Electricity terminating AT X as magnetism
Magnetic moving its attribute (space) AT a dielectric ( which = dielectric inertial plane torque = electrification)
Your body AT a location in space AT which another body's centripetal convergent gravitational field is acting AT yours.
All fields are definitionally Ether modalities, either convergent/divergent, spatial, counterspatial, circular, radial, inertial, centripetal, centrifugal.
As for any "polarized (=SPATIAL)" field, it isn't IN space, rather contains space, and therefore is definitionally "polarized", .......when all this time we have considered "polarized = IN space", rather than "space = attributional construct of a polarized field".
And as we know, there is no "N or S pole", NO clockwise or counterclockwise spins.
the same rope turning CW on one end is turning (apparently so) CCW on the other end, but we also of course, know that the entire rope (or ball, etc) is spinning in one single direction as pertains itself, but "has space" (inverse spin) as attributional to it being "polarized" and therefore "creating a space" as definitional to its polarization, i.e. Ether modality.
We are then merely left with an ocean of fields overlapping fields in which there are atomic magneto-dielectric and gravitational fields which prop up the volumes of atoms and their covalent joining.
Weight is not only location specific, but also MEDIUM (Ether, water etc etc) specific. Obviously an obese person doesn't 'weight much' floating in the water and even a 10 year old can "carry" a 400 pound person in that medium.
There needs to be a whole NEW SCIENCE for the future regarding Field Incommensurabilty or F.I. (as I coined it, pardon if that is hubristic).
Tesla talked about this EXACTLY AND SPECIFICALLY, and why he verbally slapped the hell out of Einstein in his writings.
Quote from: MilesHigher on July 19, 2014, 03:08:27 PM
SeaMonkey:
You lose perspective so easily it's not funny. It's like you are
hard-wired to believe that "the alternative guy must be right"
even when you have to deal with an internal dichotomy. You
have enough technical knowledge to know that the vast
majority of what Theoria is stating is quite frankly "crazy
whackadoo nonsense." You know that he is wrong but your
hard-wiring takes over and you will defend the underdog,
because defending the underdog is more important than
what's right and what's wrong. So you have an internal
conflict and what always wins is the "alternative guy." And
that is your great flaw, you support things that you know
are wrong because you are against "the system."
Indeed, you can't even think straight sometimes because
of that hard wiring. I am not "attacking" Theoria, I am
challenging his propositions because they are a form of
"knowledge pollution" and people deserve to hear both
sides in a debate.
You must be talking about Theoria? Whoops, I guess you
are alleging that I am the one breaking the rules. When
did I ever say or imply I had a privileged status? Your
hard-wiring distorts your perception. When you post things
like that you sound like the worst of the worst of the
"Powers-that-Be spin doctors." It's like reading Pravda in
1972.
You can kiss my ass when you use the term "Forum Man"
trying to imply that I am some sort of "paid operative"
that's here to rebut nonsensical stuff like you are reading
in this thread.
Ultimately, you are messed up in the head. Like you
walked head-first into the barrel of a 16-inch gun in
1963 and you never recovered from the very serious
concussion you received.
Stop trying to imply that I am something that I am not.
Stop trying to imply that I am devious and intentionally
attacking Theoria. Let your innate knowledge and
understanding about electronics overcome that messed
up hard wiring in your head. It's the same hard wiring that
turns you into that "apocalypse is coming, the great battle
between good and evil is almost upon us" guy standing on
a virtual street corner holding up a 10-year-old placard
that says, "The End is Nigh."
What ridiculous and dark and dreary spinning you can do
when your hard wiring takes over. You look at a thread like
this and you go into overdrive and you suppress your own
innate technical intelligence that is telling you that I am
just arguing the common sense straight goods and Theoria
is just one of hundreds of guys that has miraculously
"discovered" the "secret" of magnetism. You know just as
well as me that he can't back anything up but like some
self-programmed drone you support him anyways.
There is something really creepy in you that gives me the
shivers. You are your own Cabal unto yourself and nobody
should drink your Kool-Aid. Rather, they should run away
as fast as they can.
MileHigh
I always enjoy reading your responses Miles. They're almost
like a Book of Revelation - you put that "inner man" out there
for all to see.
I'm glad that you've gotten the "shivers." It's a start...
By the way - the End is Near. Wait patiently and you too shall
see it.
Quote from: wattsup on July 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM
@tinman
The simple fact that you are producing bubbles in water is enough to produce the spin.
100% Dead wrong, ;D ;D NOR does your premise explain 100% reproducible CW spin or CCW spin depending on WHICH side is used.
NOR does this have ANYTHING to do with 8 other methods I USE that have nothing to do with HIS VIDEO that shows the SAME THING when hes zapping the magnet with his copper plate and 30V charge.
such as powdered bismuth
charged graphite in suspension.
or CRT tubes
or pyro. graphite spin (see videos)
etc etc etc......
Quote from: wattsup on July 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM
but again, none of that can be directly attributable to the magnetic field.
Nice CLAIM, however wrong.
Quote from: wattsup on July 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM
Anyways, the main question then arises as per the effects explained by @TA, and that is, in one instance the magnet is producing a vortex but in another instance the magnet is producing cones with ferrofluid. So which one is it, vortex or cones.
My dear heavens!!!!! "VORTEX OR CONES" (sorry for this insult) is about the most insane thing I have heard in a long time.
I could've swore somewhere that a Vortex has the geometry of a CONE, and that a CONE is the geometry of a VORTEX
OMG ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 01:48:48 PM
Wattsup:
Taken from Theoria's PDF:
I highlighted the first sentence for the ferrofluid explanation, it is wrong.
You know the old saying, usually the simplest explanation is the correct explanation.
MileHigh
Sorry, but this slot machine doesn't accept wooden nickels or baseless claims
You ARE RIGHT about "simplest",
simplex lowest pressure seeking mutual reciprocation. divinely simple in the extreme. ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 03:08:27 PM
SeaMonkey:
and people deserve to hear both sides in a debate.
MileHigh
You have yet to say ANYTHING, earlier your admit to being a keyboard jockey.
You dont experiment,
you dont invent,
You dont CREATE anything,
You dont sit down with a voltmeter and wind coils, and do experiments, and look into new research or ideas,
You dont use the Platonic methodology of EITHER induction or the most important one, retroduction.
you merely state over and over "thats wrong, thats wrong" That, son, is a fallacy.
1 page ago you said you were an "expert on the bedini motor" and that you "NEVER BUILT ONE"
How proud that must make you ;D ;D ;D I mean lazy and shiftless.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 04:07:15 PM
True, the centrifugal magnetism is being 'driven' by the dielectrical inertial plane at the midpoint of every magnet.
Yes, this centrifugal is a "FAKE" inertial force.
magnetism is definitionally radiation of and within the magneto-dielectric inter-atomic, a "magnet" only makes this fundamental Aether force VERY APPARENT to us dumb human critters.
The centrifugal force is described by classical mechanics as being a fictitious or fake inertial force as you agree. The Coriolis force is also described by classical mechanics as being a fictitious force. The Euler force is once again described by classical mechanics as being a fictitious force. Together, these three fictitious forces are necessary for the formulation of correct equations of motion in a rotating reference frame. Without these three fictitious forces, classical mechanics can't properly describe motion in a rotating reference frame (see snapshot below). Physics also speaks of virtual photons, etc. Below is a snapshot at wiki on the "Fictitious Forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force#Fictitious_centrifugal_force)".
Both classical mechanics and quantum mechanics can't properly describe this universe as being real, however it can easily describe this universe as being a holographic computer simulation (a non-local universe). There is only one thing in this universe that is real, and that is Spirit/Consciousness! Everything else is an illusion! The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics is based on what appears to be the same nutbar logic as classical mechanics (fictitious or virtual forces, virtual particles, etc). Once we realize science has nothing to bring forth that is real, then we can move onto the next level of technological advances.
Pilot-wave theory makes all the same predictions as the probabilistic formulation of quantum mechanics (which wouldn't be referred to as the "Copenhagen" interpretation until the 1950s), but without the ghostliness or mysterious collapse. It is the Copenhagen probabilistic interpretation of QM I do not agree with.
The old, deterministic alternative of QM is not mentioned in most textbooks and most people in the field haven't heard of it. Sheldon Goldstein, a professor of mathematics, physics, and philosophy at Rutgers University and a supporter of pilot-wave theory, blames the "preposterous" neglect of the theory on "decades of indoctrination." At this stage, Goldstein and several other noted researchers risk their careers by questioning quantum orthodoxy. The physicist David Bohm resurrected pilot-wave theory (http://fma.if.usp.br/~amsilva/Artigos/p166_1.pdf) in a modified form in 1952, with Einstein's encouragement, and made clear that it did work, but it never caught on. The theory is also known as de Broglie-Bohm theory, or Bohmian mechanics. Please remember, according to David Bohm, the one who resurrected pilot-wave theory in a modified form in 1952, also says the entire universe is a hologram.
By 1932, when the Hungarian-American mathematician John von Neumann claimed to have proven that the probabilistic wave equation in quantum mechanics could have no "hidden variables" (that is, missing components, such as de Broglie's particle with its well-defined trajectory), pilot-wave theory was so poorly regarded that most physicists believed von Neumann's proof without even reading a translation. More than 30 years would pass before von Neumann's proof was shown to be false, but by then the damage was done. Later, the Northern Irish physicist John Stewart Bell went on to prove a seminal theorem that many physicists today misinterpret as rendering hidden variables impossible. But Bell supported pilot-wave theory. He was the one who pointed out the flaws in von Neumann's original proof. And in 1986 he wrote that
pilot-wave theory "seems to me so natural and simple, to resolve the wave-particle dilemma in such a clear and ordinary way, that it is a great mystery to me that it was so generally ignored." The neglect continues to this day.....
Now at last, pilot-wave theory may be experiencing a minor comeback — at least, among fluid dynamicists.
"I wish that the people who were developing quantum mechanics at the beginning of last century had access to these experiments," Milewski said. "Because then the whole history of quantum mechanics might be different." The experiments began a decade ago, when Yves Couder and colleagues at Paris Diderot University discovered that vibrating a silicon oil bath up and down at a particular frequency can induce a droplet to bounce along the surface. The droplet's path, they found, was guided by the slanted contours of the liquid's surface generated from the droplet's own bounces — a mutual particle-wave interaction analogous to de Broglie's pilot-wave concept.
The photon carries momentum. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle states that it is not possible to measure location and momentum at the same time. If the momentum is distributed throughout the entire volume, if one measures the entire momentum, the whole volume must be considered. Since the volume spreads all over creation, it is impossible to say that it is located at a point. It seems that the meaning of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle can be reinterpreted to support the present conclusion of the nature of the photon. If it has aperture and length, the momentum is not located at a single point. If a single point is assumed for the structure, no momentum can be measured. It seems that the significance of the uncertainty principle has been highly overrated.
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle simply says that the photon has volume. Calculation shows that the energy and thus the mass is distributed uniformly throughout the structure. The same fact applies to the distribution of momentum.
Quantum indeterminacy and a probabilistic universe based on the wrong assumptions of the Copenhagen interpretation has been proven false!
"The old has been made new again"Reference: Fluid Experiments Support Deterministic "Pilot-Wave" Quantum Theory (http://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20140624-fluid-tests-hint-at-concrete-quantum-reality/) (Snapshots shown below)
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 05:49:46 PM
these three fictitious forces, classical mechanics can't properly describe motion in a rotating reference frame (see snapshot below). Physics also speaks of virtual photons, etc. Below is a snapshot at wiki on the "Fictitious Forces". Both classical mechanics and quantum mechanics can't properly describe this universe as being real, however it can easily describe this universe as being a holographic computer simulation (a non-local universe). There is only one thing in this universe that is real, and that is Spirit/Consciousness!
yes, yes, all true. However you should never read anything from the
Cult of Quantum, is a mind virus and mental disease.
These sick SOB's are nothing more than rehashed Greek AtomistsTesla attacked them endless as being mental defectives, which they ARE,
They're literally intellectual SLIME and BLACK MOLD."Where common sense and intuition failed, we (the insane relativists) had to create a new form of intuition based upon abstract
(unreal) mathematics. When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense."
-Leonard Susskind, professor theoretical
physics, and priest of the cult of QuantumQuantum insanity: "Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real." – N. Bohr
Quantum insanity: "The more you see how strange nature behaves, the harder it is for us to make a model that explains even the how
the most simple phenomena works. Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit." – R. Feynman
They create a new Unicorn particle every time they need their BS formulas to balance out !!!!!
Muons, gluons, mesons, bosons. etc etc pixie dust and BS
de Broglie was a mental midget, he made a 1000 claims, with no logic for most of them.
You said----
""""The photon carries momentum"""""
There is no such thing as a photon, this is a BS misunderstanding of the nature of TEM (see last section of my book).
However IT (not a photon however) caries momentum, because, (of course) its the radial dielectric component of TEM
You said---
""""the momentum is not located at a single point."""""
Thats right, because the DIELECTRIC RADIAL COMPONENT is pulsed directly in line with the wavelength of the TEM
which is why SHORT wavelength EM is so dangerous and powerful.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 06:01:33 PM
yes, yes, all true. However you should never read anything from the Cult of Quantum, is a mind virus and mental disease.
Quantum insanity: "Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real." – N. Bohr
You said----
""""The photon carries momentum"""""
There is no such thing as a photon, this is a BS misunderstanding of the nature of TEM (see last section of my book).
However IT (not a photon however) caries momentum, because, (of course) its the radial dielectric component of TEM
Call a photon whatever you like, but it doesn't change what it is! Listen to what you are saying! You don't believe in photons, electrons, etc., yet you can call them by a different name, then they all of a sudden become real to you! This falls under the same nutbar logic of quantum insanity: "everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real"!
Time should play the part instead of meters or distance. We should look upon Time as the result of the force that impels a body through space. The greater the force, the shorter the time, and the shorter also the space to be traversed. Thus, if the force were infinitely great, time and space would be infinitely small, they would cease to exist. If the force was infinitely small, time and space would be infinitely great.
But, again the force is not everything, because in reality it does not exist. All that exists is the impulse that is applied to the body in space and imparts momentum to it. The body's movement is then only limited by the resistance it has to overcome.
What does exist then is the momentum that arises from the impulse of the force, and not the force itself.Gravock
Using a lens with a micron thin layer of sandwiched ferro fluid to map external magnetic fields via optic affects of the field on the magnetic fluid. Red, yellow and green radial LED's are spaced evenly; facing inward into the edge of the lens. The light from the LED's warps around the magnets as it passes through the fluid. This is the basic version video with one magnet from youtube user, SirZerp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD6C6f2nu0U
Check out SirZerp's Channel for more videos on viewing the magnetic fields in real time, they are much better than the "basic version video", and here his more information about this technique, http://www.scribd.com/doc/28943933/Photographing-Magnetic-Lines-of-Constant-Scalar-Potential
The Dynamic Etalon is another method, and was conceived and developed as an economical tool for magnetic research. Basically, this unique lens is a Fabry-Perot Interferometer combined with a modified Hele-Shaw cell. The nano particle mixture within the lens respond dynamically in the presence of a magnetic field.
A real-time holographic representation of magnetic flux is clearly visible to the observer or image recorder, unlike a typical computer generated pattern plotted by software. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxCYvDjFRM
Here is more information on the Dynamic Etalon method, http://www.nanomagnetics.us/dynamic%20etalon.htm
Gravock
SeaMonkey, Captain Zero:
When you try to imply that I am a "paid operative" or whatever, I consider that reckless endangerment and you potentially put my life in danger. If my name ever slipped out, then it would take five minutes to know where I live and where I work and what I look like.
The percentage of mentally unstable people on the free energy forums is certainly much higher than that of the general population. I don't want a nutcase to drive an icepick through my skull while I am walking down the street. Do you get that? Stop trying to imply that I am something that I am not because you recklessly put my life in danger when you do that. I don't give a sh*t if the chances are small, it doesn't make any difference. You guys disagree? Then both of you go ahead and post your real names, your pictures, where you live, and where you work. Not going to do that because you are uncomfortable with that? No sh*t!
Just recently Captain Zero took some pot-shots at me and then actually made a posting ENCOURAGING other people to attack me. Captain Zero, you stop that also. Do you understand me?
I am not going to be murdered by some psychotic pulse motor psycho that is being egged on by some free energy sourpuss that dislikes rational thought, and you two stop it right now.
MileHigh
Theoria:
Re: Your explanation for the ferrofluid cones.
Quotesimplex lowest pressure seeking mutual reciprocation
What do you mean by 'simplex?'
What pressure? What are the units for this pressure? How is it measured?
Mutual reciprocation of what? Reciprocation between what entities?
How does this all explain ferrofluid taking on a conical shape when under the influence of a magnetic field?
MileHigh
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 06:32:18 PM
Call a photon whatever you like, but it doesn't change what it is!
I agree in premise, ;D ;D Can call a rose another name, its properties are the same.......
however CANNOT agree definitionally, because all it does is PROP UP the ENORMOUS BS of Atomistic "unicorn particles" that make up the bread and butter of the Cult of Quantum.
GR and QM are 100% no different than ancient Greek Atomism.
To make any cultist of GR or QM twitch like a worm... ask them to "define a field" ;D ;D
You said:
""""You don't believe in photons, electrons,""""
You dont get it. A: what I "believe" makes no matter, what IS , is all that matters.
You cannot keep using and evoking forth the
PANTHEON OF PARTICLE BS (of GR and QM), all it does is "feed the beast" that the Universe is an OCEAN of pixie-dust and unicorn "magic" particles ::) :o
No such pixie dust nonsense, these are mental excreta concepts from GR and QM.
Have you even READ the horsesh*t that comes from fools like Feynman (and the morons like him) to explain magnetism and action at a distance ?????
;D ;D
That Feynman and others have declared (as he has done in his mystical book: QED strange theory of light and matter) that
magnetism is mediated by "virtual photons" is no different than the Pope declaring mother Marry as healing a sick child from a
pendant worn at the neck. Humanity has placed, as dept. chairs in countless universities and likewise, heads of mathematics and
physics, people who are quite literally insane, are deep thinkers, but insane ones. The insane asylums of the world are full of genuinely
deep thinkers, however it is not for sake of deep thinking they are locked up and away from others! So, taking a cue from Quantum
mysticism we then ask the expert (fool) relativist "since you declare magnetism to be mediated by 'virtual photons', what is same?".
Answer received? Yes, here we have it: "A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out". Well, insanity has been reified, at last!
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 06:32:18 PM
Time should play the part instead of meters or distance. We should look upon Time as the result of the force that impels a body through space. The greater the force, the shorter the time, and the shorter also the space to be traversed. Thus, if the force were infinitely great, time and space would be infinitely small, they would cease to exist. If the force was infinitely small, time and space would be infinitely great. But, again the force is not everything, because in reality it does not exist. All that exists is the impulse that is applied to the body in space and imparts momentum to it. The body's movement is then only limited by the resistance it has to overcome. What does exist then is the momentum that arises from the impulse of the force, and not the force itself.
Time, like SPACE, is a POSTERIOR to fields. Time is just another human perceptual SKR3W.
Time, like space "does nothing" "acts on nothing" and "causes nothing".
Induction between fields extrapolated (wrongly) as = TIME is wrong,
even the ancient Greeks knew this fact.
Like the world FIELD (Khora), people throw around the word FORCE ;D ;D ;D
Force = tension = induction = field interactions. Reifications of attributional properties of ONE PRINCIPLE (fields [Ether modalities]) is only a
convolution of simplex truths of how nature works.
There are no "lines of force" .....polarization is by definition a force of Ether pressure gradients WITHIN which space is present and therefore SO TOO IS FORCE present. There are no forces in space, there is SPACE created in a field which translates INTO force as fields generate, terminate, move divergently, convergently, centrifugally, centripetally etc etc etc
charge / discharge on and on.
Even Plato and Plotinus warned about reification of Xaos (space). Its a necessitated (ananke GREEK TERM) attribute of fields (Khora/ Chora).
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 06:38:23 PM
The light from the LED's warps around the magnets as it passes through the fluid.
YES, and all that does is prop up what I said in the book, that light, having a radial dielectric component will warp around the DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE of the "magnet". ;D ;D
Quote: SeaMonkey
" When men get all hypersensitive and start talkin'
like "wimmin" - it's the old power thing again.
Insult - Schminsult - now you guys are starting to
sound like Erron over at EF.
The Attackers here are very skilled at provoking
confrontational exchanges; they're also very
good at deflecting responsibility. They seem to
think their privileged status exempts them from
the rules of good order and discipline. That they
have earned the "right" to play mischief in their
attacks.
Nothing is more pathetic than a Forum Man who
can dish it out but can't take the blowback.
You of course know to whom these references are
being made.
Set the Example of Gentlemanly conduct and it
will be found that Courtesy is Contagious.
Unless the Bad Boys persist in their fun...
But remember, there is a better Way. "
'Profoundly stated and undeniably true.'
And yes TA was somewhat condescending toward MH...but deservedly so...and is appreciated by me fror doing what NOBODY else around here has done...and that is make MH go silent.
The serenity was welcomed by many, but alas, short lived, as he has found shelter in the intervention of other wise but honest members who have begun to engage the theories of TA.
Rarely has someone (MH) who knows so much done so little.
Wattsup and GB are two of the most knowledgeable members here, and people I respect and lean from...the other usual suspects, I have learned its best to scroll on by.
Their focus is on constructive ideaology, as opposed to the destructive negativity espoused incessantly on newly raised subject matter.
Such activity is regularly used by the gatekeepers to stunt the outgrowth of new concepts, which many times is the outcome of failed experiments.
Carry on 'gentlemen'.
Regards...
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 06:56:31 PM
Theoria:
What do you mean by 'simplex?'
What pressure? What are the units for this pressure? How is it measured?
Mutual reciprocation of what? Reciprocation between what entities?
magnetic field reciprocation, said it 100 times.
between the inertial plane in the ELECTRIFIED "magnet" which is really a dielectric object.........said it 100 times.
Look up SIMPLEX vs. SIMPLE
Measured resultantly by EMF If you dont know this, you know nothing.
The same pressure that "holds up" the entire Universe son, magneto-dielectricity, as found in the interatomic, and "marveled" over in the "supermagnet" etc etc.
As seen in Galactic jet geometries.
Get off the keyboard and go EXPERIMENT, you are lazy and a shiftless skeptic and what Gotama called a "Eel wriggler"
You remind me of Feynman in his video when he was asked "how magnets work (at a distance)".
"College produces some fine well educated idiots" - Jennings ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 05:38:10 PM
You have yet to say ANYTHING, earlier your admit to being a keyboard jockey.
You dont experiment,
you dont invent,
You dont CREATE anything,
You dont sit down with a voltmeter and wind coils, and do experiments, and look into new research or ideas,
You dont use the Platonic methodology of EITHER induction or the most important one, retroduction.
you merely state over and over "thats wrong, thats wrong" That, son, is a fallacy.
1 page ago you said you were an "expert on the bedini motor" and that you "NEVER BUILT ONE"
How proud that must make you ;D ;D ;D I mean lazy and shiftless.
Theoria,
The spaghetti is definitely not sticking on the wall and I have already addressed your comments before. A Bedini motor is about as simple as it gets. So yes, I am an expert on Bedini motors without having built one. It's you that can't explain how the coil works in a Bedini motor after your years and years of research.
MileHigh
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 19, 2014, 07:08:22 PM
Rarely has someone (MH) who knows so much done so little.
Ive seen NO evidence he knows ANYTHING, he doesn't experiment, doesn't do anything but flap his lips and say "thats wrong"
Hes typical of the academic pseudo-intellectual, all he can do
(like a bird vomiting up digested worm puke to the baby birds) regurgitate the trash he worships from GR and QM.
I know the "Emperor has no clothes on" he thinks he does have them on.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 07:11:08 PM
A Bedini motor is about as simple as it gets. So yes, I am an expert on Bedini motors without having built one.
Ive built a couple. You? Nothing.
Again, you are confusing SIMPLE with SIMPLEX
what is SIMPLEX is not simple (as ANY magnet, as i show and confirm) Scientifically, intellectually, .. claiming to be "AN EXPERT" on something you never built , is ,..... by TESLA and FARADAY, and STEINMETZ methodology of experimentation is
on the level of CHILD MOLESTATION intellectually that is. Its just NOTHING but absurd, insane, laughable, and pathetic.
Any inventor would laugh their arse off at this statement you made.
carry on.
Theoria:
QuoteIve seen NO evidence he knows ANYTHING
You are playing the buffoon. I have made some solid technical arguments. I suppose that you are in your own little North Korea with a population of one. So you can propagandize to yourself, and also believe yourself, and also persecute yourself. Astute readers will decide who is demonstrating some competence.
Prove that you understand how a coil works in a pulse circuit if you want to show that you know something.
Captain Zero:
Stop whining because people say things that you don't want to hear.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 07:25:46 PM
I have made some solid technical arguments.
Yes, one presumes YOU think you have done so. However like an old man with a vasectomy, ...you have, intellectually, been "shooting blanks"
They say "RESULTS MATTER"Show me your book proving I'm full of BS (actually I like being proving wrong, my mind isnt a rusted closed door like yours son)
Show me /us your patents, your inventions
Show us your physical experiments and (like any good experimenter) your voltmeter that you live with like your own child.
Yeah, thats right ;D I / WE don't see that coming forward.
Theoria:
Re: Bedini motors and building them
I have made all of the measurements on various types of pulse circuits. Have I made measurements on pulsing coils like you see in a Bedini motor? The answer is yes. Do I understand what is happening? Yes I do! Ask Captain Zero, if he is willing to be honest he will confirm what I am saying. He is fully aware that I have a solid grasp of electronics.
Unfortunately although you have built Bedini motors, you don't actually know how they work. I base this on recently debating with you and asking you some questions that you avoided answering. It all ties into playing with some coils and a scope and leading yourself down a garden path.
How is a coil like a flywheel? Based on what I have seen you can't answer that question.
MileHigh
I have a very simple $20 Radio Shack digital multimeter! I threw my CMOS chips and my TTL chips and my PALs and GALs and transistors and MOSFETs out about 20 years ago! But I can spin circles around you on a bench, that I can assure you of.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 07:35:42 PM
I have made all of the measurements on various types of pulse circuits. Have I made measurements on pulsing coils like you see in a Bedini motor? The answer is yes.
You really really dont know how disgusting that statement is. Do you? Serious as a heart attack, do you honestly NOT know how perverse and intellectually pathetic that statement is?
You're like the "expert on bigfoot" , .......ever seen one you ask them? NO!! ROFL ;D
Tesla was up to his ASS in copper and physical experimentation.
He PRODUCED, you pontificate and flap your gums.
Its intellectually disgusting.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 07:35:42 PM
How is a coil like a flywheel?
Nice vague statement there son. ;D ;D WHAT coil, There are more types of coils than there are types of birds.
loaded question fallacy
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 07:40:41 PM
But I can spin circles around you on a bench, that I can assure you of.
You never met me, you know nothing about me.
But that's good, lets keep it that way son.
"Baseless claims are the fodder of fools" -E. MastersNow, go take your $20 Chinese Radio Shack junk voltmeter and go INVENT something and show me your patent(s).
Having a $20 voltmeter is like a serious Cyclist using a Wal-Mart SCHWINN bicycle in the Tour de France ;D ;D
I can see you are serious !!
Let's try this: Please post three paragraphs about three electrical design issues for a Bedini motor. I am absolutely serious. Show us your stuff, discuss three separate electrical design issues to consider when you are building a Bedini motor. Write out a full paragraph for each one.
QuoteNice vague statement there son.
That was not a vague statement at all. The question is very straightforward and I will repeat it with some more description for you:
How is an electrical coil like a physical flywheel spinning on a set of bearings?
I am looking forward to your reply.
MileHigh
Re: The discussion about the cones you see in ferrofluid when in a magnetic field.
I asked you this:
"What pressure? What are the units for this pressure? How is it measured?"
You replied with this:
"Measured resultantly by EMF If you dont know this, you know nothing."
Really? Where do you measure the EMF?
And the answer is that when you are staring at a ferrofluid cone, there is no EMF anywhere. People like you like to use the term "pressure" all the time but the problem is that 99% of the time it is meaningless. So you respond with "EMF" when put on the spot. So please back up that claim, if you can, or simply retract it.
I like your quote so I will repeat it because it applies to you for the EMF claims for the ferrofluid cones:
"Baseless claims are the fodder of fools" -E. Masters
MileHigh
For what it's worth, I note that after my two recent postings Theoria signed off. He fell down in the online user pecking oder then slipped off the list, so he has signed off for now. I can suspect that my asking him to discuss three electrical design issues to consider for building a Bedini motor made him run away because he had nothing to say that would sound halfway intelligent. He couldn't just bluff or be dismissive for that one. Same thing for the coil-flywheel question.
QuoteTesla was up to his ASS in copper and physical experimentation. He PRODUCED, you pontificate and flap your gums.
Did I ever say to you that I never experimented? I never did and you are making presumptions. Recently I made some reasonable estimates on the amount of bench time I have had overall and I estimate it is about 4500 hours. That's four thousand five hundred hours. That's a little over two years full-time work on an electronics bench. That's not a huge amount in the overall scheme of things but it's a respectable amount of time. So any histrionic comments from you about me having no practical bench experience are false.
Quote from: MilesHigher on July 19, 2014, 06:41:46 PM
SeaMonkey, Captain Zero:
When you try to imply that I am a "paid operative" or whatever, I consider that reckless endangerment and you potentially put my life in danger. If my name ever slipped out, then it would take five minutes to know where I live and where I work and what I look like.
The percentage of mentally unstable people on the free energy forums is certainly much higher than that of the general population. I don't want a nutcase to drive an icepick through my skull while I am walking down the street. Do you get that? Stop trying to imply that I am something that I am not because you recklessly put my life in danger when you do that. I don't give a sh*t if the chances are small, it doesn't make any difference. You guys disagree? Then both of you go ahead and post your real names, your pictures, where you live, and where you work. Not going to do that because you are uncomfortable with that? No sh*t!
Just recently Captain Zero took some pot-shots at me and then actually made a posting ENCOURAGING other people to attack me. Captain Zero, you stop that also. Do you understand me?
I am not going to be murdered by some psychotic pulse motor psycho that is being egged on by some free energy sourpuss that dislikes rational thought, and you two stop it right now.
MileHigh
Miles,
I certainly don't wish for you to be discouraged in
any way. I really do enjoy reading your postings
and believe you perform a valuable service within
this forum.
It's unfortunate that you feel fearful of your well
being. I can't imagine anyone seriously contemplating
a physical attack upon your person. But of course
one never knows.
The level of paranoia that you're demonstrating is indeed
discomfiting. For what it's worth I've never gotten the
impression that you're a "paid operative."
Be well and keep doin' what you do. With as much
gentlemanly consideration as you can muster.
Quote from: MilesHigher
I threw my CMOS chips and my TTL chips and my
PALs and GALs and transistors and MOSFETs out
about 20 years ago!
I sincerely hope that you mean you donated those
valuable items to a worthy experimenter rather
than actually throwing them out!
Waste not, want not...
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 06:56:51 PM
I agree in premise, ;D ;D Can call a rose another name, its properties are the same.......
however CANNOT agree definitionally, because all it does is PROP UP the ENORMOUS BS of Atomistic "unicorn particles" that make up the bread and butter of the Cult of Quantum.
GR and QM are 100% no different than ancient Greek Atomism.
To make any cultist of GR or QM twitch like a worm... ask them to "define a field" ;D ;D
You said:
""""You don't believe in photons, electrons,""""
You dont get it. A: what I "believe" makes no matter, what IS , is all that matters.
You cannot keep using and evoking forth the PANTHEON OF PARTICLE BS (of GR and QM), all it does is "feed the beast" that the Universe is an OCEAN of pixie-dust and unicorn "magic" particles ::) :o
No such pixie dust nonsense, these are mental excreta concepts from GR and QM.
Have you even READ the horsesh*t that comes from fools like Feynman (and the morons like him) to explain magnetism and action at a distance ??? ??
;D ;D
That Feynman and others have declared (as he has done in his mystical book: QED strange theory of light and matter) that
magnetism is mediated by "virtual photons" is no different than the Pope declaring mother Marry as healing a sick child from a
pendant worn at the neck. Humanity has placed, as dept. chairs in countless universities and likewise, heads of mathematics and
physics, people who are quite literally insane, are deep thinkers, but insane ones. The insane asylums of the world are full of genuinely
deep thinkers, however it is not for sake of deep thinking they are locked up and away from others! So, taking a cue from Quantum
mysticism we then ask the expert (fool) relativist "since you declare magnetism to be mediated by 'virtual photons', what is same?".
Answer received? Yes, here we have it: "A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out". Well, insanity has been reified, at last!
Time, like SPACE, is a POSTERIOR to fields. Time is just another human perceptual SKR3W.
Time, like space "does nothing" "acts on nothing" and "causes nothing".
Induction between fields extrapolated (wrongly) as = TIME is wrong, even the ancient Greeks knew this fact.
Like the world FIELD (Khora), people throw around the word FORCE ;D ;D ;D
Force = tension = induction = field interactions.
Reifications of attributional properties of ONE PRINCIPLE (fields [Ether modalities]) is only a convolution of simplex truths of how nature works.
There are no "lines of force" .....polarization is by definition a force of Ether pressure gradients WITHIN which space is present and therefore SO TOO IS FORCE present. There are no forces in space, there is SPACE created in a field which translates INTO force as fields generate, terminate, move divergently, convergently, centrifugally, centripetally etc etc etc
charge / discharge on and on.
Even Plato and Plotinus warned about reification of Xaos (space). Its a necessitated (ananke GREEK TERM) attribute of fields (Khora/ Chora).
Like I said, I don't agree with the Copenhagen probablilistic interpretation of quantum mechanics. I also don't care too much about Feynman.
Time is motion! In this video of a "high road low road race (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6eQgraqbg)", both paths start at the same height and end at the same height, so gravity doesn't provide either path with an extra advantage (The net fall is the same for both cars). However, the car that travels the greatest distance wins the race! The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, and the shortest Time between two points is a curved path! Mass travels faster on a curve than it does a straight line. In reality, it's a rectilinear motion through space. All that exists is the impulse that is applied to the body in space and imparts momentum to it. The impulse is the product of the force and the time for which it is applied . Without motion, then there is no Time for the force to impart momentum to it. Without Time, then there is no force to impart momentum to an object, thus there would be no motion.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock
Mass travels faster on a curve than it does a straight line.
As demonstrated in the experiment it certainly can. The
steep initial decline and its gravity boost are helpful.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 08:00:08 PM
People like you like to use the term "pressure" all the time but the problem is that 99% of the time it is meaningless.
Since you do NO experiments, I suggest you put your hand between two N55 gauss 2x2x1 neodymium iron borons and tell us about pressure
report back with your findings.
Speaking of experiments,
NOT addressing yourself, I just got done with my 10th experiment of biological effects on a NON LIVING SYSTEM (explain that in the 3rd edition) that will make peoples heads pop right off their shoulders.
See that? Thats what experiments are for. I have reporting these findings to a few people, they fell backwards when they saw the pictures.
Now, go back to your non-experimentation son.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
For what it's worth, I note that after my two recent postings Theoria signed off.
Actually son, I was resetting my EXPERIMENT (have 3 ongoing ones that take time and have to be reset)
You know, that stuff you dont do.
SeaMonkey:
Well thank you for stating that you don't think I am a "paid operative." I don't want you to ever even slightly imply it in a future posting.
You are from the Navy and you must know the logic of submarine warfare. I think TK knows it also. Something like "Type I, II, and III" errors. If you are in a submarine, you can't afford one of those errors no matter how slight the chances are because a mistake would mean certain death.
A few years ago I read a posting by some pulse motor builder and he talked about how many weapons he had and how he was willing to fight it out to the death with the Feds in some kind of "Ruby Ridge" scenario - for a bloody PULSE MOTOR.
How may postings have we seen from "crazy people" that show up for a day or two and say crazy stuff and then disappear never to be heard from again? The answer is lots.
If you and other people like Captain Zero and people like him keep on saying or implying over and over that I am a paid operative or I am with the MIB then that can sink in with one or more mentally unstable regulars or one or more mentally unstable regular lurkers.
How many times do you see even "mainstream" regulars around here and on the Energetic Forum make comments that some medium to high-profile free energy proposition disappeared because they "probably threatened his life." You see that ALL the time.
I can't afford a "Type II" (whichever) error. I do NOT WANT mentally unstable people to read over and over that I am some "evil paid operative."
That applies to you, Captain Zero, E2matrix, and anybody that does it. Any posting that has even the slightest whiff of implication that I am some kind of evil person in the employ of some evil entity will be reported. It's time for this nonsense to stop.
MileHigh
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 08:48:01 PM
The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, and the shortest Time between two points is a curved path!
Agreed on ALL ;) ;)
However time and motion are just co-eternal attributes of the "same egg".
The shortest point of LOW PRESSURE SEEKING magnetic centrifugal movements is (of course) ALSO A CURVED PATH to centripetal reintegration.
Proving yet again that SPACE is just a human perceptual mind skr3w of field mediations / overlapping/ divergences / convergences etc etc etc charge / discharge.
I just got done resetting my experiments (that Ive done many times already), Ill publish it in my 3rd edition,
I got result I did NOT EXPECT :o (but should have!!!!!!!) regarding biological non-living (will explain in the book) magnetic effects 3D effects that will make your head POP OFF your shoulders.
I wont mention it here in any detail, I want it set it stone as proof along with the 3rd edition
At least it did mine, and the few I have shown the results to! I need to go get a Pizza to celebrate this discovery!!!! Hurray!!! ;) ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 09:01:14 PM
Actually son, I was resetting my EXPERIMENT (have 3 ongoing ones that take time and have to be reset)
You know, that stuff you dont do.
I do "do," you just read how I have lots of bench experience.
Okay so you are back. So please prove that you are not bluffing and discuss three electrical design issues for a Bedini motor. After all, you have built several. Also please answer the coil-flywheel question.
Thanks,
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
Energetic Forum make comments that some medium to high-profile free energy proposition
MileHigh
I assume you arent referring to me son,.......
I make NO mention NOR claims etc etc regarding FREE energy, or Overunity, or harvesting cow farts for powering cars.
or the other ENORMOUS plethora of free energy quackery that spins on the evil WWW.
Quote from: wattsup on July 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM
@tinman
The simple fact that you are producing bubbles in water is enough to produce the spin. The bubbles when created displace the surrounding water that wants to move back into the position where is was before it was displaced. All those bubbles now move upwards and given the bubbles are round and the water has friction, any main rise direction will produce some spin that will be maintained until another spin direction becomes more prevalent. We cannot say that it is the magnetic field above the magnet that is creating the spin, but we do see the effect and we can easily misunderstand this as the magnet generating the spin on its own.
In your case there is no magnetic attraction between the bubbles and the magnet since the bubbles are not metallic or magnetic themselves. They are just caught up in the rising momentum all reaching the top and then continuing to rise out. Also, the bubbles rising up the magnet sidewall create a differential of surface stress on the magnet that adds to the momentum of spin, but again, none of that can be directly attributable to the magnetic field.
Anyways, the main question then arises as per the effects explained by @TA, and that is, in one instance the magnet is producing a vortex but in another instance the magnet is producing cones with ferrofluid. So which one is it, vortex or cones.
wattsup
Wattsup-did you watch the video?. If so,can you explain as to why we get zero spin when i use the piece of pipe that has no magnetic field,and as soon as i add a magnet to that very same piece of pipe,we get a very clear spin. Why dose the spin direction change when flipping a magnet over-the very same magnet,with the very same shape?.
The magnetic fields are needed to create the spin,there is no doubt about that.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 04:16:15 PM
YOU SAID:
It appears Bayles' quantum vlm rotational velocity is the same as your "dielectric inertial plane".
It looks like thats the case yes, TOO BAD his brain fahrt calls is a "quantum rim"
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 07:04:07 PM
YES, and all that does is prop up what I said in the book, that light, having a radial dielectric component will warp around the DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE of the "magnet". ;D ;D
In case you haven't noticed, I've been posting information to prop up your book! I'm in agreement with you on the magnetic vortex and on the dielectric inertial plane, as you decided to refer to it. However, I do not agree with you on your views on QM. I understand how and why you feel the way you do about QM, but I don't agree with you on this issue.
Gravock
Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2014, 09:12:34 PM
Why dose the spin direction change when flipping a magnet over-the very same magnet,with the very same shape?.
Your video is GREAT, your experimentation is VERY COMMENDABLE AND (AT LEAST BY ME) HIGHLY PRIZED! ;)
Spin anything, your wife, your dog, a ball, a rope and you will get ONE SPIN
but from either side, CW spin , and the other side CCW spin
The perceptual SCR3W of human perception .... Xaos (Greek for SPACE) ;D
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 09:20:04 PM
In case you haven't noticed, I've been posting information to prop up your book!
Kind regards, I was actually merely joking with you. Sometimes (often) its hard to see INTENT and humorous (versus skeptical or sarcastic) intent via web dialogue.
wink wink, nudge nudge ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ona-RhLfRfc
Tinman:
I am pretty sure that I figured out the explanation for your test. I only watched the first four minutes of your clip but I think I get it. If you flip over the magnet or if you reverse the polarity of the voltage then the vortex changes direction, correct? (oops not sure if you changed the voltage polarity because I am not sure if the metal will react the same way and still produce bubbles.)
I will give you a hint. Think about the example of the CRT test in one of Theoria's clips where he points the magnet straight at the monitor.
MileHigh
P.S.: It appears that Theoria can't explain your neat little experiment either and served up a small word salad instead.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 09:26:20 PM
I will give you a hint.
No, I will give YOU A HINT, I have different 9 testing media that have NOTHING TO DO WITH ELECTRICITY (of the medium), such as the zapped magnet, or the CRT tube.
And my new (ongoing) experiment proves 10 TOTAL
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 06:38:23 PM
Check out SirZerp's Channel for more videos on viewing the magnetic fields in real time, they are much better than the "basic version video", and here his more information about this technique, http://www.scribd.com/doc/28943933/Photographing-Magnetic-Lines-of-Constant-Scalar-Potential
Gravock
CANNOT OPEN THAT DOCUMENT, Do you have it???? Says its private and BLOCKED
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 09:29:35 PM
No, I will give YOU A HINT,
I have different 9 testing media that have NOTHING TO DO WITH ELECTRICITY (of the medium), such as the zapped magnet, or the CRT tube.
And my new (ongoing) experiment proves 10 TOTAL
We are discussing Tinman's experiment and your 'hint' is a plug for your own experiments?
Why don't you take a second crack at explaining Tinman's experiment?
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 09:32:57 PM
Why don't you take a second crack at explaining Tinman's experiment?
I already did that, its in the book
you never read.
Tinmans experiment is the same one done YEARS AGO by a Youtube-R called "magnetflipper"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl1LVPbYhY
I already explained (which you never read) 3 pages ago HOW to get vortex formations, either
HIGH VOLUME high speed (CRT, hydrogent bubbles, WEAK SULFURIC ACID TESTING which shows magnetic vortex movements.......), or low volume low speed viscous solutions and suspensions.
Oh dear loos like you people have lost the plot ! Its ok I am here now and please stick with the science no paranoid rubbish no one is going to get hurt or insulted its all just words ! NOW I AM THE BEST QUANTOUM MACHANIC ON PLANET EARTH AT THIS POINT IN TIME ! OK !
What that means is in simple terms is I am very very good at what I do ! Please now everyone relax calm down than hold on to your head and let me open up your brain box and fill it with exotic matter than you can spin into my zero point vortex and start to learn the rules of quantum reality ..
I have been here before but it all got very strange someone started to use my computer to cause me a lot of trouble than some mad man pretended they were me hahahahahha !
So you think you know about vortex magnetics the mystery of the vacuum and no doubt you have read Maxwell's equations seen some videos read some books and now you are ready to talk about it as if you know all and everything hahahaha How wrong you will be !! Vortex technology is more than an energy system it can do some very strange things in paranormal terms to including quantum tunnelling on a dimensional level something you all should be a wear off ...
I am here again to re gain my position and take back some of my stolen technology but only to make the final corrections and offer an amazing experiment that we can all share and learn from . Please treat me as a human and know that I am a GENTELMAN and a very intelligent one I hope to receive reflections of the same quality to that I am familiar with ! No small talk cheap back stabbing remarks or scientific rubbish ! I don't care for your academics as most books on physics is now so far out of date they need a mental health warning to them that are stuck in there Newtonian world .
There is only one universe ! LETS TAKE AWAY TIME AND SPACE AT ONE COLUMB PER VOLT ! MMMMMMMM
FORMULA..................................TIME = MASS and VOLT = SPACE .....................................................
Excel orate this formula and just before the universe is sucked back into a tiny hole and I do mean a hole you will be left with one He + H + one free electron at - 360K oh yes - 360k not -273k hahahah take away the mass and the energy will follow take away the energy the universe will get colder ... Its entropy in reverse now I know that you will agree that you have never heard that one before ! Because they don't want you to know ! Who ever they are they certainly do not want you to know ...
As we have closed the hole in time and space we can take a closer look at the 3 reaming components and I can also confirm that at - 360K YOU WILL ONLY MESSURE A SUPER STRING !!! But for now just take a closer look at the electron it has 2.2 trillion XY particles and is not spinning as we have taken away time but x IS ON OFF ON OFF and is the same with Y ... This on off on off between the x and y happens at 800 000 000 HZ that's
50 000 000 ABOVE THE NUMBER FOR THE LIGHT SPEED CONSTANT but that is only at -273k hahah as the universe in now at its maximum lowest temperature - 360k light can speed up as the resistance has weakened .
Now lets look at an atom at -273k the electrons are very slow the nuclei are very big there has been an expansion and time is now stuck at the speed of light but there is the remains of the very cold universe inside the atom between electrons in fact between all the particles of its in tier mass ! The true distance between all finite particles is equal to infinity because the temperature between these tiny particles is -360k but the surface temperature of the mass of any particle of the said atom is -273k !
This sets up a vacuum in the quantum dimensional inverse laws between all mass including gravity ! Now I can write it in ;jbviobnv k ;n eruv[un]wr[vb;kj j ;kjqe jq jvj or any dam language you like ....
Now we can see the vacuum but we want to test it open it up make energy with it fly a zero G craft but please no weapon systems !!!
Its all very simple .................. But if you all Carrie on writing in a paranoid personalised political and insulting way than you do NOT need to know about the vacuum you need a head DR drugs and some rest ... But if you are forth coming with honesty love and sharing you might stand a chance to own a vacuum vortex zero point generator .... like me !!!!!
Yours truly
That "Magnetflipper" guy is a real hoot because he is obviously clueless. I watched his clips years ago myself.
Please stop pointing to your book. If you can explain Tinman's experiment do it here and now.
QuoteI already explained (which you never read) 3 pages ago HOW to get vortex formations, either HIGH VOLUME high speed (CRT, hydrogent bubbles, WEAK SULFURIC ACID TESTING which shows magnetic vortex movements.......), or low volume low speed viscous solutions and suspensions.
With respect to Tinman's clip the above is just a word salad. Please explain what is going on in Tinnman's clip in your own words right here and right now or simply admit that you are unable to explain it.
MileHigh
Another Mile High miss:
" If you and other people like Captain Zero and people like him keep on saying or implying over and over that I am a paid operative or I am with the MIB then that can sink in with one or more mentally unstable regulars or one or more mentally unstable regular lurkers.
How many times do you see even "mainstream" regulars around here and on the Energetic Forum make comments that some medium to high-profile free energy proposition disappeared because they "probably threatened his life." You see that ALL the time.
I can't afford a "Type II" (whichever) error. I do NOT WANT mentally unstable people to read over and over that I am some "evil paid operative."
That applies to you, Captain Zero, E2matrix, and anybody that does it. Any posting that has even the slightest whiff of implication that I am some kind of evil person in the employ of some evil entity will be reported. It's time for this nonsense to stop. "
Just what do you think people are to conclude when one engages in the type of conduct that your continually do ?
If you wish that people will stop calling you a thief, then it only makes sense to stop doing things that make you look like a thief...its that simple.
If I had half your technological background, i would have had a free energy device a long time ago...or I would have collaborated with a like mind to create one.
How about contributing instead of quashing ideas for a change ?
Watch what happens to your reputation when you explore new 'out of the box 'ideas instead of stifling everything raised for discussion...or simply butting out when you have nothing positive to offer.
You are your own worst enemy.
Hasn't it occurred to you that I do not critisize people like wattsup and GB and the like...and why you and a few othere here are singled out ?
Do not pretend to be that dense that you cannot see how you come across on here.
Regards...
Timnan:
Feel free to contemplate your experiment and my hint. I will give the answer tomorrow at about the same time. If somebody chimes in and offers up a good explanation I will respond in turn.
Little puzzles like this are fun and good for the noggin. If you don't get it by tomorrow, hopefully my explanation will make sense to you.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 09:26:20 PM
Tinman:
I am pretty sure that I figured out the explanation for your test. I only watched the first four minutes of your clip but I think I get it. If you flip over the magnet or if you reverse the polarity of the voltage then the vortex changes direction, correct? (oops not sure if you changed the voltage polarity because I am not sure if the metal will react the same way and still produce bubbles.)
I will give you a hint. Think about the example of the CRT test in one of Theoria's clips where he points the magnet straight at the monitor.
MileHigh
P.S.: It appears that Theoria can't explain your neat little experiment either and served up a small word salad instead.
@MH-and TK if your still watching.
Could you please take the time to watch all of the video-i think it's needed.
MH-if i swap the polarity over,i get no bubbles from the magnet's,and the copper oxide from the copper plate starts to flow over to the magnet-and we start to coat the magnet with copper,as we know will happen with electro plateing.
I do not know 100% as to what effect the magnet has or is doing in regards to the CRT screen,so telling me to think of that as an example is just sending me deeper into the forrest lol. So a clear explination would be really helpful here-i mean,this is how we learn.
As the electric field is uniform around the magnet(via the current carried by the water) i have to eliminate the effect that causes a homopolar motor to work. To me it seems that the magnetic field has an effect on the hydrogen atoms spin direction :-\,as we are only producing hydrogen gas around the PM.
Next i am going to try an electromagnet,to see if a near electric field has any effect on the spin effect we see with a PM. ???
Captain Zero:
In a virtual sense, you don't realize that you have on thick glazed glasses that make you look like there are two eyeball-sized spheres on your face. It's that bad. You spilled your beans there but I already knew it.
I will repeat: DO NOT try to imply in any way that I am evil or MIB. I will not tolerate it because there are safety issues to consider.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 09:49:47 PM
Please explain what is going on in Tinnman's clip in your own words right here and right now or simply admit that you are unable to explain it.
I can see you have no idea that you're speaking to someone far far far better skilled at seeing fallacies, loaded questions, and 'honeypot loaded questions'.
I did explain it pages ago, I did explain it in the book. Go look it up yourself.
You're a lazy keyboard jockey son. ;D
Hydrogen bubble vortex magneto-centrifugal edge movement as it raises to pressure gradient equalization (as a gas) in the water he has it in.
diamagnetic H2 bubbles running in flow with centrifugal high speed magnetic vortex flow.
I can do the same thing with charged graphite dust in suspension.
likewise with BISMUTH DUST (with no electrification needed of course)
Tinman:
I will try to get through your clip but I can't guarantee it. This thread is not super-huge at this point and the clue should not be too hard to find.
All will be revealed tomorrow if nobody gets it.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 10:05:01 PM
Captain Zero:
DO NOT try to imply in any way that I am evil
No worries, I would never imply this.
You're a hubris filled keyboard jockey who has been sucking off the teets of GR and QM Atomistic mysticism your whole life.
You dont invent
You dont create
You dont experiment. Which is OK, .....its that you're a "worthless lump" , a SPEED BUMP on the road of discovery to
WEAKER MINDS than mine who DO experiment, test, discover, and investigate.
Your brand of BS would never work on me. I only feel bad for your "cant do it" BS attitude which likely MAY and DOES work upon weaker minds.
Your entire premise in life is called a "dog in the manger" Go look up that analogy.
Officially, you have a Phd in lip flapping and BS. ;D ;D
Theoria:
This is your explanation for Tinman's experiment:
QuoteHydrogen bubble vortex magneto-centrifugal edge movement as it raises to pressure gradient equalization (as a gas) in the water he has it in.
diamagnetic H2 bubbles running in flow with centrifugal high speed magnetic vortex flow.
Sorry, but that is wrong.
However, it sounds like the propulsion method for the miniaturized submarine in Fantastic Voyage! lol
MileHigh
P.S.: A reminder about you: (1) Failure to discuss three Bedini motor electrical design issues. (2) Failure to discuss the coil-flywheel issue. And this is from a person that has allegedly been studying this stuff for 20 years and has built several Bedini motors.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 10:05:01 PM
Captain Zero:
In a virtual sense, you don't realize that you have on thick glazed glasses that make you look like there are two eyeball-sized spheres on your face. It's that bad. You spilled your beans there but I already knew it.
I will repeat: DO NOT try to imply in any way that I am evil or MIB. I will not tolerate it because there are safety issues to consider.
MileHigh
Safety issues for a pseudonym ??
In a PIGS eye there are.
I knew it was a waste of time...you are just what you come across as...and the titles come with the territory.
And you come across as a paid disinfo agent...so you will just have to live with that.
Stoopid is as stoopid does.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 10:14:45 PM
Sorry, but that is wrong.
However, it sounds like the propulsion method for the miniaturized submarine in Fantastic Voyage! lol
A: rising gas in ANY liquid is no propulsion for anything son
, NOR was it even implied pathetic child.
B: I warned you about the fallacy of a non-rebuttal "no, thats wrong"
That feces doesnt fly here. ;D ;D
Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2014, 09:12:34 PM
Wattsup-did you watch the video?. If so,can you explain as to why we get zero spin when i use the piece of pipe that has no magnetic field,and as soon as i add a magnet to that very same piece of pipe,we get a very clear spin. Why dose the spin direction change when flipping a magnet over-the very same magnet,with the very same shape?.
The magnetic fields are needed to create the spin,there is no doubt about that.
Your analysis is correct! By taking a look at the Lorentz force in a conducting liquid using a diametrical current (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oabsU-YZR0) we can see there is a CW motion over one half of the magnet and a CCW rotation over the other half of the magnet. These two cancel each other out resulting in no rotation when using a diametrical current in a traditional homopolar motor. However, if we have two counter rotating discs over the same pole of a magnet (see snapshot below), then we can use a diametrical current. I have personally conducted this experiment myself, and I can confirm there is a counter rotation of the disks (one disk rotating CW and the other disk rotating CCW). Each disk was half the diameter of the magnet in my experiment. Disk 1 and disk 2 can mesh together like gears. This shows there are two dielectric inertial planes in a magnet instead of one dielectric inertial plane as TA wrongly concludes, lol. Two counter rotating dielectric inertial planes moving one against the other like gears.
On pages 136 & 137 which was previously posted (see snapshot below for a quick reference), Faraday talks about the 'center of motion'. He says when the magnetic pole is on the outside of the center of motion, then the wire piece will move in a direction directly contrary to that taken when the pole was on the inside of the center of motion.
Gravock
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 19, 2014, 10:21:04 PM
Safety issues for a pseudonym ??
In a PIGS eye there are.
I knew it was a waste of time...you are just what you come across as...and the titles come with the territory.
And you come across as a paid disinfo agent...so you will just have to live with that.
Stoopid is as stoopid does.
This will be reported to Stefan.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 10:26:02 PM
B: I warned you about the fallacy of a non-rebuttal "no, thats wrong"
To repeat: All will be revealed tomorrow if nobody gets it.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 09:31:49 PM
CANNOT OPEN THAT DOCUMENT, Do you have it? ??? Says its private and BLOCKED
I will look for this document. I had a hard drive crash last year and lost most of my research.
Gravock
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 10:26:51 PM
This will be reported to Stefan.
...yes, and he will treat it as seriously as everyone here does...with a yawn...and possibly a burp if he's just eaten.
Tinman:
Okay I am going to answer it because Gravityblock half got it. He starts out with a good explanation and points to a great YouTube clip but then he veers into pseudoscience with the stuff about "two dielectric inertial planes."
It all goes back to simple basic concepts about force on moving charges when they are cutting across magnetic field lines. I posted a bunch of clips about that in this thread.
You know that current is flowing between the magnet and the copper plate. Imagine the current flowing between the magnet and the copper plate being so many individual "current tubes" one next to the other. Almost like a bunch of spaghetti strands that are tapered at each end.
Each "spaghetti strand" of conducting water is like the electron beams hitting the CRT screen. The electron beam is bent into a twisted form on the CRT screen by force imparted on the beam when it moves through the static magnetic field of the magnet. Likewise, each "spaghetti strand" of water with current flowing through it will experience a force on it when it travels through the static field of the magnet in the aquarium.
Since each "spaghetti strand" of conducting water is not solid, it will be displaced by the force. All of the spaghetti strands of water will thus form a spinning vortex of water.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 10:29:40 PM
To repeat: All will be revealed tomorrow if nobody gets it.
Conventionally speaking, by reversing the poles the charges will be cut by the field in the opposite direction. Likewise, by reversing the current the charges will be cut by the field in the opposite direction.
Gravock
Ahh-come on guy's,lets not turn this thread into a mud slinging match. I have great interest in this thread,as i feel many interesting things are yet to come. !! do we all know so much that we have nothing new to learn?!!
MH-what force that dosnt have a spin direction, causes the spagettie to bend in one direction?. Im sorry,but i just dont see how something can spin if an even force is applied to all side's ??? And if the force or field(or what ever you want to call it)from a magnet has no spin,and is even all around the pole,then why would the CRT screen show a spin type of effect picture-why would it not just show an even displacement around the magnet?-just like dropping a rock into a pond-why wouldnt the displacement be radial like the ripples in the pond?. If at all possable,a picture or sketch of my setup,showing why the spin is happening,would be great,because i just dont see how it's done.
My next video is only going to add to the mistery of this thread,and i look forward to all your thought's on it.
Who here believes that an electro magnet has the same field properties as a PM dose.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 10:56:29 PM
Tinman:
You know that current is flowing between the magnet and the copper plate. Imagine the current flowing between the magnet and the copper plate being so many individual "current tubes" one next to the other. Almost like a bunch of spaghetti strands that are tapered at each end.
MileHigh
Current of WHAT my pathetic child? Your Unicorn electrons?
tubes? ohhhhh, there are TUBES now? ;D ;D
Look what this drama queen Mile High just sent me in a PM...Hope you all got a little chuckle of of it too.
" Dear Stefan:
It no fun to be called MIB because I am concerned about mentally unstable people and violence against me. If this is stated over and over it could make someone believe it. Sometime in the future I might go to a conference and literally be in fear of stating my overunity.com handle. It's unacceptable for him to potentially put me in danger.
From Captain Zero:
Quote
Safety issues for a pseudonym ??
In a PIGS eye there are.
I knew it was a waste of time...you are just what you come across as...and the titles come with the territory.
And you come across as a paid disinfo agent...so you will just have to live with that.
Stoopid is as stoopid does.
Captain Zero has to understand that this kind of behaviour is unacceptable.
Thanks,
MileHigh "
Quote from: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 10:56:29 PM
Tinman:
it will be displaced by the force.
MileHigh
Now son, explain FORCE in a total vacuum where your Unicorn particles cannot be. ;D ;D
"Force" leads to tension leads to INDUCTION leads to FIELDS
Now lets see you explain what a FIELD is,
since it cannot in NO *#(@)$ WAY involve your GR and QM pixie dust particles
Rehashed pathetic Greek ATOMISM GR and QM, the "Cult of Unicorn Particles"
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 19, 2014, 11:48:36 PM
Look what this drama queen Mile High just sent me in a PM...Hope you all got a little chuckle of of it too.
Hmmm, it looks like garden variety Schizo-affective paranoia disorder
Tinman:
I will add some information but you are going to have to work at this on your own and bootstrap yourself and teach yourself.
Let's imagine a simplified setup:
In the center of the bottom aquarium you have the magnet. You can easily imagine the toroidal form of the magnetic field. It makes a kind of double mushroom cloud where one half is in the tank and the other half is below the tank.
So what will happen if you have current that flows from the top to the bottom of the tank in parallel spaghetti tubes? Forget about the voltage source and and the wires and all that, it's irrelevant. Just imagine spaghetti tubes of current all in parallel going from the top to the bottom at the start of the experiment.
Now, take the view from the top of the aquarium looking down into the water. What do you see in terms of the current flow interacting with the magnetic field of the magnet. Keep it simple, just look at four spaghetti tubes of current. Relative to the magnet in the center of your field of view, you see one on the top, one on the bottom, one on the left and one on the right of the magnet and they are cutting through the mushroom cloud about half way from the center to the edge.
This is just an example of the Lorentz force. It's just an application of one of the basic rules of electricity and magnetism. Look at the setup and work out the forces for yourself. I had to do it in 1977 in junior college, you can do it now.
MileHigh
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 11:53:09 PM
Hmmm, it looks like garden variety Schizo-affective paranoia disorder
I'm unsure of a proper diagnosis, but the imbalance is unmistakable.
'Hello this is my first conference - my name is Mile High - er, I mean Larry.'
Regards...
Captain Zero:
That was a stupid move. My concerns are legitimate.
Theoria:
You define what a field is. Also note that you were not even close in explaining the phenomenon in Tinman's experiment. People that are reading this thread that have common sense but perhaps not a big technical background at least have a second opinion on your propositions to contemplate. I find that there is a similarity to Marco Rodin and his coil. Marco doesn't have a clue how a coil works. Likewise, John Rohner doesn't have a clue how a car ignition circuit works. It's like we are in some kooky British comedy from 1957 where a reality disconnect is the underlying comedic theme running through the whole film. Your propositions and theories don't stand a chance in the real world, and when you are put to the test, you fail as expected. It's the Rodin-Rohner model once again.
MileHigh
Captain Zero:
You make me laugh because you in your own way are simply disconnected and living in a dream world. I think both you and E2matrix want to see every free energy proposition go forward, no matter how ridiculous and how many times very similar things have been resoundly refuted as being wrong. That means that you couldn't give a rat's ass about gullible people squandering their money and giving it to criminals. You want to sit back in your armchair and let a bunch of people get burned so you can indulge your fantasies. Throw in your belligerent disregard for my request and your public posting of my email and that makes you one morally bankrupt frustrated guy on a forum where the only thing you can do is passively comment and try to milk the system and get people to squander their hard-earned money for your desires. I am glad that I am not you.
Theoria:
Sorry, but you are just one in an endless line of people with propositions that don't makes sense that clearly can't punch their way out of a wet electronics or electromagnetics paper bag. Lots of big talk and absolutely no substance. You claim 20 years of research and study, but you couldn't even explain Tinman's experiment, not to mention the other basic things that I asked you that you avoided.
Your 15 minutes will be up soon and Captain Zero will latch on to the next guy that comes along and support him, even if the new guy's dubious theories are diametrically opposite to yours. You are just expendable cannon fodder for Captain Zero and in six months you will be long gone and forgotten.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 12:09:54 AM
Also note that you were not even close in explaining the phenomenon in Tinman's experiment.
I warned you, son, about making baseless claims
That excreta doesnt fly here son.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 12:09:54 AM
you fail as expected
MileHigh
You mean the person who retired at 32 and currently has 4 patents, 2 degrees, and translates ancient Greek, Prakrit, former Russian translator for the Govt.,
and translates Sanskrit? That failure (myself) ? Keep the jokes coming chuckles. ;D ;D
No, son,
YOU USED the word FORCE over and over (i.e. induction, i.e. FIELDS pressure gradients, i.e. just FIELDS)
Either define the words you keep using, or dont use them.
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 10:37:04 PM
I will look for this document. I had a hard drive crash last year and lost most of my research.
Gravock
Photographing Magnetic Lines of Constant Scalar Potential (http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/downfile/id/579/) (pdf download)
It looks like he has gone commercial. If I remember correctly, he had a zip file that was 1GB+ containing all of his work. There's some updated information about his work located at Revelution-Labs (http://www.revolution-labs.com/info/FAQ).
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 12:40:28 AM
Photographing Magnetic Lines of Constant Scalar Potential (http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/downfile/id/579/) (pdf download)
It looks like he has gone commercial. If I remember correctly, he had a zip file that was 1GB+ containing all of his work. There's some updated information about his work located at Revelution-Labs (http://www.revolution-labs.com/info/FAQ).
Gravock
Hey, you are awesome, ! Kind thanks. I cannot wait to reveal some things in the 3rd edition that will knock peoples socks right off their feet.
I got results I was NOT even expecting, but should have. Its just wonderful, and ties in the absolute basement "floor" of biological reactions into magnetism.
Much looking, I know nobody else has discovered this before (not even Roy Davis and Rawls) ;D
Theoria:
"Your propositions and theories don't stand a chance in the real world, and when you are put to the test (about electronics), you fail as expected."
"You mean the person who retired at 32 and currently has 4 patents, 2 degrees, and translates ancient Greek, Prakrit, former Russian translator for the Govt., and translates Sanskrit?"
lol, Person #1 discusses subject A and person #2 completely ignores it and responds with off-topic and unrelated subject B. You have done that something like 15 or 20 times now.
And you made reference to what was it, Platonic dialogue?
For me my gut feel is telling me that you are totally disingenuous. Your claims about yourself are probably a sham just like your proposition is a sham. The society is not healthy without the fringe.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 01:04:21 AM
Theoria:
For me my gut feel is telling me that you are totally disingenuous
Thats just gas you're feeling.
Go write a book and/or experiment.
You're as useless as tits on a bull. ;D
Go invent something and then fight with a pair of expensive lawyers to get patent.
Oh wait, you never did that. My mistake. You've got no cred son. You're nothing but a lip flapping "speedbump" lost in your own mind of logomachy.
Lux et Veritas
Praise wisdom, seek truth, and step over the profane manyfolk upon the road of wisdom
- Proclus
Keep trying! lol
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 12:54:28 AM
Hey, you are awesome, ! Kind thanks.
I cannot wait to reveal some things in the 3rd edition that will knock peoples socks right off their feet.
I got results I was NOT even expecting, but should have. Its just wonderful, and ties in the absolute basement "floor" of biological reactions into magnetism.
Much looking, I know nobody else has discovered this before (not even Roy Davis and Rawls) ;D
Do you have a time frame of when you think the 3rd edition will be available? I'm looking forward to it! Also, how can we instantly dump the momentum from a non-local inductive source?
Thanks,
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 01:15:54 AM
Do you have a time frame of when you think the 3rd edition will be available? I'm looking forward to it! Also, how can we instantly dump the momentum from a non-local inductive source?
Thanks,
Gravock
Middle of august, there is a ton of content to add.
As for momentum dump, still trying to figure that one out, only ideas.
However I have made 3 prototypes of a device that
does something so amazing, that if I mention it here, it would be the scientific eventual of screaming RA'PE in a crowd, .....and the whole lot of you would call me 100% insane.
Ive shown 2 of them to 8 different people I trust, they all confirm the results.
Half of which said to be careful, that someone will 'take me out' if they're certain I have such a device
Yes yes, I know all this sounds like pure crazy; and if I were you I would agree.
Every day, sometimes several times a day I have to RE-convince myself by testing the devices, because the effects are too extraordinary to believe.
I am honestly (and have been told as much) 'afraid' to dare seek a patent for it.
I hate paranoia and MIB and all such conspiracy talk BS from the tinfoil hat crowd....... but this is one device that would prove that valid if I attempted to file on its design and effects.
Trust me, I know that this is an absurd claim, I wouldn't believe me either on THIS POINT. ::)
I was so happy I was walking on air for a month after creating the first prototype, now I'm worried about even owning it. ........almost
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 12:40:28 AM
Here is the "device", my first prototype.
Obviously you cannot seen what is under the black, but it has 5-8 parts. I wont say.
Also a picture of the 6 inch by 2" Neodymium magnet, shes a beast, and she actually hurts my EYES and face after experimenting in front of her for some time.
Price on them now is AWFUL, theyre $800 each now. :o
Quote from: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 01:12:42 AM
Keep trying! lol
Here is TRYING, learn what it LOOKS LIKE, this isnt my lab, this is just stuff IN FRONT OF THE TV SET to "do" while watching the news
Get off your lazy arse and go "make" something.
See what a real voltmeter looks like.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 01:26:03 AM
Middle of august, there is a ton of content to add.
As for momentum dump, still trying to figure that one out, only ideas.
I know it can be done! The water in a singing bowl won't rotate in the direction of the wand until a critical value has been reached (video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUvbBK9fGrw). Once a critical value has been reached, then the water will very quickly begin to rotate in the direction of the wand. Reversing the direction of the wand causes the water to reverse it's rotation direction with the wand
instantaneously. This behaviour is similar to a super-fluid! This is just a proof of concept. Now, the question is how to transfer the whole momentum to a lighter object!
When a super-fluid is rotating uniformly with the container, the rotating state consists of quantized vortices. That is, when the container is rotated at speed below the first critical velocity (related to the quantum numbers for the element in question) the liquid remains perfectly stationary. Once the first critical velocity is reached, the super-fluid will very quickly begin spinning at the critical speed. The speed is quantized, that is, a super-fluid can only spin at certain "allowed" or critical speed values. In simplified terms, if the container is rotated to a certain allowed speed, the super-fluid will rotate very quickly along with the container, otherwise, if the speed is too slow, then the super-fluid will not move at all.
Gravock
It would seem an electromagnet dose not have the same field properties as a PM.
It seems that electromagnets fields are different to that of a PM fields-no spin :o
Video uploading now.
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 02:56:10 AM
It would seem an electromagnet dose not have the same field properties as a PM.
It seems that electromagnets fields are different to that of a PM fields-no spin :o
Video uploading now.
nope, it wouldnt because .....
A: electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, NOT dielectricity from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM
B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 02:47:38 AM
I know it can be done!
Gravock
Preaching to the choir, I agree.
I made a discovery using an experiment with magnetism and water in the 3rd edition that will make your head fall of your shoulders. ;D
I know nobody else has seen it .
Well here is my second test. This time using an electromagnet insted of a PM. There is no spin detected with the electromagnet,unlike the PM that shows a clear spin at the pole's(Im using the terms north and south pole's,as that is what most people understand)
So why no spin with the electromagnet ,that is placed in the same situation???.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 05:04:51 AM
Well here is my second test. This time using an electromagnet insted of a PM. There is no spin detected with the electromagnet,unlike the PM that shows a clear spin at the pole's(Im using the terms north and south pole's,as that is what most people understand)
So why no spin with the electromagnet ,that is placed in the same situation???.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Awesome video!!!!
NO SPIN with EM vs. PM because:A:
electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, >>>>NOT dielectricity<<<<, as is the case in a PM, of which the dielectricity is 'driving' the vortex from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM
B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity as found in a PM which is "driving" a genuine PM !!
Read Eric P Dollards works !!!!!!
Your videos are bloody marvelous. You're a hoot, awesome, creative, an experimenter, and
you're like a fine OPAL from Coober Pedy !!!! ;) ;D ;) ;)
Id buy you a giant FOSTERS if you were within walking distance!!
Lovely vortex on your other video!
I have another video uploading ATM,and will post it here asa it has uploaded. Then there is another to follow.
But i have just made a BIG discovery,and we may have to have another look at how exactly the homopolar motor work's-this MAY just proove that there is indeed a vortex spin at each end of a PM. All my test so far seem to show exactly that,and i believe my recent discovery will proove that to be true-unless some one here can post an explination in way of a sketch or picture defining the forces at work here. As i have a 3.30 am start,i may not get the setup finished,videoed and uploaded tonight-but it will be worth the wait
Good work Tinman, that's the way to do it!
Thank you,
John.
Ok,here is my next test. Here i place a current loop around the magnet. This is a good video,but the next one will knock ya sox off. 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-37Ecjd7FQQ&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Anaylis of Mile High activity and intent:
" Captain Zero:
That was a stupid move. [outing his drama queen complaint] My concerns are legitimate.[only if legitimate can be defined as stupid]"
" Captain Zero:
You make me laugh because you in your own way are simply disconnected and living in a dream world. [simple projection strategy]
I think both you and E2matrix want to see every free energy proposition go forward, no matter how ridiculous and how many times very similar things have been resoundly refuted as being wrong. [I cannot speak for E2m but am only interested in unfettered flow and development of ideas as opposed to the paid derailers of same]
That means that you couldn't give a rat's ass about gullible people squandering their money and giving it to criminals. [Blatant violin inducement]
You want to sit back in your armchair and let a bunch of people get burned so you can indulge your fantasies.
[More blatant violin inducement]
Throw in your belligerent disregard for my request and your public posting of my email and that makes you one morally bankrupt frustrated guy on a forum...
[Belligerent disregard for readers ability to go back and see the drama queen's email was not posted...oi vey]
...where the only thing you can do is passively comment and try to milk the system and get people to squander their hard-earned money for your desires.
[Some additional violin inducement for added effect I suppose]
I am glad that I am not you.
[Boy, so am I, because then I wood look like the stoopid paid shill ]
Theoria:
Sorry, but you are just one in an endless line of people with propositions that don't makes sense that clearly can't punch their way out of a wet electronics or electromagnetics paper bag. Lots of big talk and absolutely no substance.
[Theoria = a breath of fresh air (actual ideas) who has stimulated a rather fruitful discourse (and experiments) among some very fertile minds here]
You claim 20 years of research and study, but you couldn't even explain Tinman's experiment, not to mention the other basic things that I asked you that you avoided.
[avoiding bozos is critical to getting things done]
Your 15 minutes will be up soon and Captain Zero will latch on to the next guy that comes along and support him, even if the new guy's dubious theories are diametrically opposite to yours.
[I guess he was unable to locate examples of me doing that...because as usual, he just makes up shit to qualify his delusional drivel]
You are just expendable cannon fodder for Captain Zero and in six months you will be long gone and forgotten.
[Jilted again...like all the other imaginary victims of my fickle flirtations with brilliance]
MileHigh "
[On a permanent high]
Notice that I did not address the shill directly this time...that is because I had only one toe inserted into the road side tar baby, which can then be easily extracted with a slight pull, without using the other foot on his arse to pry out my toe.
For the purposes of continuity I would advise everyone else just scroll by his incessant attempts to disrupt the flow of ideas.
Carry on uninterrupted guys...this is great stuff !
Regards...
Well here it is,a new type of Homopolar motor-or something like that.
This shouldnt work,but it dose. Interesting times indeed guy's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8Iw1OwYxI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Tinman:
That's an interesting experiment, I can't explain it right now. Certainly the fundamentals have not changed and it's not a discovery, more like a fun investigation into why you are not seeing the vortex. The first thing that comes to mind is that the vortex requires three components, the magnetic field, the current flow through the water, and the magnetic field lines and the current flow to not be in exactly the same direction. It would tend to suggest one of those components is missing. But on face value it doesn't seem to be the case when you use the solenoid.
Is the circuit for powering the solenoid completely isolated and independent from the circuit that is causing the current to flow through the water? The only other thing I can think of is it looks like the magnetic field from the solenoid is much stronger than the magnetic field from the permanent magnet. That just might have something to do with it and if the strengths are very different, then you should lower the current through the solenoid in an attempt to make an "apples to apples" comparison for magnetic field strength.
You have to put off the use of the term "discovery" literally for months. Right now it's an interesting investigation. The magnetic field produced by the solenoid is certainly essentially the same as the magnetic field produced by the magnet. Also, you can't make a statement like (to paraphrase) "solenoids make magnetic fields that are different from permanent magnets" because that's not true. Right now all that you have is an observation that the particular solenoid that you are using in your particular setup appears to be different in behaviour from the particular magnet that you are using in your particular setup." That's all that you have right now, you are not in a position to make any general statements.
Anyway, it's an enigma to me right now, waiting for your next clip.
MileHigh
Hmmmmmmmmm. Lots of pages flew by while I was in snooze mode.
@Tinman
Thanks for those vids.
You see, if I was doing such an experiment, I always consider to have 2-3 wattsups looking down my shoulder and stating all the wrong comparisons (objections) that are being made to derive a logical conclusion.
One of those would be magnet topology versus coil topology.
I made a quick drawing of this to show you what I mean when doing tests.
If your magnet has a straight rising sidewall, then the coil has to be as close to this topology as possible. To do that would only require a single layer coil and some tape over the turns to make sure any rising bubbles would not be influence by the bumps created by each winding so that the side wall is smooth. That would be a good analog.
The only other main factor is the magnets Tesla rating compared to the energized coil Tesla rating. This would be very difficult to reproduce exactly to compare apples to apples but at least if the physical forms are close, you can always do a pull test using a scale to compare the pull force required on each of these. Everything is relative to all the factors involved.
Don't forget that you are creating bubbles that rise to the surface on their own buoyancy. This will create a change in surface tension on the sidewall of the magnet with water pushing against that surface tension. All these factors come into play because of the physical form of the magnet. Those same interplays have to be identical with the coil.
If the coil is as you have show in your video, then the comparison with the magnet would have to display the same physical attributes in order to reproduce those same factors, so to equal your present coil topology, your magnet would require an outer form that will push the rising bubbles in the same manner as is happening with the coil.
The magnet and the coil would also have to be at the same height off the floor of the tank. When you are looking at a physical phenomena and comparing to another physical phenomena, both physical attributes should be the same or as close as possible in order to eliminate or reduce any discrepancies that could be construed as part of an effect proof.
If the magnet sits on a copper plate, the coil should sit on a copper plate as well.
This way you can then state (all other physical factors equal) the magnet does this and the coil does this or that.
Good work man. At least there is a base of effects for comparison.
wattsup
Hi tinman,
another question: did you turn off the battery charger when demonstrating?
Altogether a very good effort on your behalf and well presented too.
John.
But as a homopolar it should run. If you run the second wire all the way around and down to the bottom it runs just as well. doesn't have to be on the side...
Reversing the magnet makes it go the other way.. but interestingly the vortexing goes away... majority current flow is still making a field on the screw
Experiments that have nothing to do with a vortex or the vacuum that creates it is pointless ! All theories so far are all flawed endeavours to identify the reality of such work ! Please stop referring to faraday he is an old book on the out of date book shelf ! The so called ultimate proof of a vortex is with a working model that has substantial energy gain not just a silly wire and some magnets . But it does prove the outside force is independent from the modal .
Now I have a 10kwh magnetic vortex zero point generator and no I don't do videos or have a need to explore other experiments ! So MR MILE HIGH come back down to earth ! One can never determine all the facts if they fill they know it all and have no technology to produce an event that will completely confirm a true vacuum vortex . A few magnets wont do the job correctly and will serve very little purpose as there is nothing you can do with it ! Sorry to bring you back to the ground level of reality where I can ASURE YOU that a fully operating system will set you running out the door ...
Your tone is some what aggressive and you write in a manner of someone that may be high on something ? Calm down sir or you will blow a fuse ... Now give me good reason why you deserve to know how a 10 kwh vortex generator is made or how it works and I do mean at the particle level . To many here write in a way that portrays a mind of experience and refuse to except fact over fiction by demonstrable effect, to that I challenge you .. Throw away the stupid out of date physics book and all reference material date ect And allow me to place in one hand a 5.5 inch ferrite magnet and a special motor in the other hand as the magnet draws closer to the motor the speed of the motor will increase .. That's lesson one !
Lesson 2 is to achieve the same effect but the current will decrease to zero point as the magnet gets closer to the motor.
Lesson 3 Is when you disengage any power supply and the motor is still running .
Lesson 4 Is when the gravity of the combined device is coherently isolated and the apparatus is suspended in an animated form of its new gravity bubble .
Lesson 5 is HEALTH AND SAFETY !and the most important lesson because the technology floods dark energy into the gaps between electrons it would be wise not to stand in the flow of that field ...
So come on down to earth ! STOP PLAYING WITH TOYS ! Your talking to me now and I sir am the best that there is and ever will be !!! who am I ? I am the master of the vortex ! That means you are my student ! You have one chance so quickly learn the art of how to be humble sincere kind and courteous honest and not just fearless or pumped up so high with your own words that you will only ever see the dark between the light ...
Some of us are the true masters of this universe and I am one of them !!!! Now start again !!!
Yours truly
The one that is going to rock your planet LOL XXXXXX
How is the rising bubbles forming a swirling pattern any different to the rising smoke and flames from a fire causing a swirling pattern ?
I think it is the natural tendency of fluids rising in other fluids to do that. I make fires that produce some real nice vortex patterns
quite regularly.
It is my belief that there are some odd things that go on inside a strong vortex like a tornado, I see stuff get propelled directly
upwards inside them at times, seemingly not caused by wind but by what appears to be a negation of gravity combined with
pressure differences. I see things go straight up like they get launched, with sometimes no spinning until the object contacts the
inner wall of wind. It just looks odd and not caused by wind generated "lift".
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Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2014, 09:12:34 PM
Wattsup-did you watch the video?. If so,can you explain as to why we get zero spin when i use the piece of pipe that has no magnetic field,and as soon as i add a magnet to that very same piece of pipe,we get a very clear spin. Why dose the spin direction change when flipping a magnet over-the very same magnet,with the very same shape?.
The magnetic fields are needed to create the spin,there is no doubt about that.
@Tinman
The strength of your neos is very strong and yes there could be an effect of spin, but let me suggest this small test.
1) Find a masson jar or other smaller glass container then your water tank.
2) Put the anode/cathode in the jar and add your water.
3) Produce your micro bubbles in order to saturate the solution as much as can possible to create a clouded solution.
4) Remove the anode/cathode.
5) Find a little non-magnet whatever and put it at the bottom of the jar to act as a raised platform.
6) Put your magnet on the platform.
7) Take a close up of the top of the magnet.
Logic: If the magnet is the sole instigator of any spin, it should not care where the bubbles come from. Whether they are produced and rising from the sidewall then curving back in towards the top of the magnet or whether the solution is fully saturated with bubbles, the magnet should not care and you should till see spin to some degree.
So by removing all other contributing factors the affect should not change, so such a test would be very revealing.
wattsup
Tinman:
Just some pointers. The current inside the aquarium flows throughout the entire body of water. So that's why moving the ring did not make a noticeable difference. Naturally most of the current flows in the general volume of water in line between the magnet and the ring, and much less current flows into the corners of the tank.
Look at the attached graphic. Imagine that you are above the magnet looking downwards. You are looking at a horizontal slice of the water a few inches above the magnet. The magnetic field lines are going downwards into the page and they go into the top of the cylindrical magnet. The charge q represents a small slice of a spaghetti strand.
For the graphic you have to do a swap - you see the red force arrows and the and the green velocity arrows. So if you swap the velocity and force you have current moving inwards towards the magnet, and force in a radial direction. Look at how the green force vectors push on the water to create a vortex. That is an example of the type of thing that is happening in your experiments.
Here is another "view:" If you are looking at a ring on top of the "mushroom cloud" you can imagine that at a certain point in space for the ring the magnetic field is horizontal and extends radially outwards like the spokes of a wheel. In this case lets imagine the current is going down into the page. One more time the magnetic field and the current are at right angles to one another and you get the same radial force vector pattern that creates a vortex in the water.
MileHigh
Captain Zero:
How is your AIDS coming along? Are you still getting the dizzy spells? Has it started to affect your vision? Your weight was way down last year but has the new drug cocktail made a difference?
I know that you have been coping with it for years and I suppose that you are fortunate because you still have your mobility.
I know it's tough but hang in there, they may have a cure one day.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 11:45:34 AM
Captain Zero:
How is your AIDS coming along? Are you still getting the dizzy spells? Has it started to affect your vision? Your weight was way down last year but has the new drug cocktail made a difference?
I know that you have been coping with it for years and I suppose that you are fortunate because you still have your mobility.
I know it's tough but hang in there, they may have a cure one day.
MileHigh
Good grief...how looney that ?
WOW
Captain Zero:
Whoops! You say that you don't have AIDS? Well how about that and guess what, I am not a shill. You have to work on getting your brain to process information properly.
On the other hand, you could be a shill. You could be a plant to discredit everything in the realm of free energy by playing the paranoid crazy guy that has a drawer full of tinfoil hats that believes all of the free energy tabloid trash at the checkout line. Who knows, maybe you have AIDS AND you are a shill. Any person that almost always believes in such nonsensical idiocy that sometimes isn't even up to the level of a Grade 5 science fair project must be a shill. You are a plant here to discredit free energy by playing the bovine paranoid rabid believer that accuses people of being a shill all the time.
Now Mr. Shill, you don't want to get jumped by three big burly WITTS farm boys at the next Extraordinary Technology conference do you? They might beat your ass to a pulp for discrediting them because you are a paid government agent with micro syringes filled with your blood. If they find the micro syringes filled with your blood on your person they might beat you to within an inch of your life.
Your best strategy would be to tone down your shilling and not accuse other people of being paid disinformants when you have zero evidence.
MileHigh
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 09:55:53 AM
Well here it is,a new type of Homopolar motor-or something like that.
This shouldnt work,but it dose. Interesting times indeed guy's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8Iw1OwYxI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8Iw1OwYxI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)
This is nothing new and is nothing that is unexpected. This is a traditional homopolar motor. I have studied and experimented with homopolar motors more than anyone else on this forum, except for maybe broli. You can find many youtube videos of exactly what you have done, except you have immersed your set-up in water. If you use a ceramic non-conductive magnet, instead of a nickel coated conductive neo magnet, then you would get no rotation. Prove me wrong on this, and I won't make another post on this forum. Just make sure the screw that is attached to the magnet isn't running from the rim to the axis. In other words, let the conductive screw only touch a small point at the center of the non-conductive magnet.
Gravock
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 05:04:51 AM
Well here is my second test. This time using an electromagnet insted of a PM. There is no spin detected with the electromagnet,unlike the PM that shows a clear spin at the pole's(Im using the terms north and south pole's,as that is what most people understand)
So why no spin with the electromagnet ,that is placed in the same situation???.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)
Coat the electromagnet with a conductive coating or wrap it completely and tightly in aluminium foil and it will rotate like the conductive neo magnet in your other experiment. Just make sure your wires don't keep the electromagnet from rotating. If there is no rotation or no sign of it wanting to rotate, then I won't make another post to this forum!
Gravock
More ""MH drivel:
None of it worth repeating.
Clearly an attempt to disrupt the flow of the thread...possibly another operative at the keyboard.
I will only be contributing to the disruption with further exchanges, so I will go back to watching and learning...and drag him/they/it around the yard in a thread with less significance.
As you were gentlemen.
Regards...
Captain Zero you are the disruptor of this thread and the disruption started at post #215. So either contribute technically to this thread or keep your mouth shut.
@Tinman,
Nice videos.
Regarding the PM/EM bubble spin/non-spin videos:
It might be interesting to try placing a thin, non-magnetic metal disc (Al, Cu, etc) on top of the magnet or electromagnet. Place some tape on the backside of the disc (and possibly on and just over the edges) so that neither magnet is electrically connected to the disc and so that bubble formation only occurs on the non-magnet side of the disc (or coat one side of the disc and edges with paint, etc). Connect your supply to the disc as the source for the bubbles.
Also, if the disc is a bit larger than either magnet (3" diameter or so), the shape/size difference between the magnet and electromagnet will have less hydrodynamic influence. Alternately, you could glue or tape the insulated side of the disc to a short piece of plastic pipe to further reduce any hydrodynamic influences. Cut the length of plastic pipe so that the backside of the top metal disc can be made to rest on either magnet without the pipe touching bottom to insure similar contact with the disc by either magnet (or shim the magnets from below with non magnetic/non-conductive block). You might have to drill a vent hole into the pipe near the edge of the disc to vent any gas produced by inadequate insulation to prevent the disc/pipe from floating off (and help vent air when placing over the magnets), or cut notches into the end of the pipe prior to gluing to the disc. If necessary, tape some solder (or similar) to the bottom circumference of the pipe to weight the whole thing down a bit.
With just the top side of the disc producing bubbles, you could see if a non-magnet, permanent magnet, or electro-magnet placed under the disc has any influence on the bubbles rising from the surface of the disc. As others have said, when looking at the differences between the PM and EM, isolate both electrically, try to use similar field strengths and disc contact geometries (is the core of your EM tubular or solid?).
Interesting stuff... may have to give it a go myself when time allows.
PW
Here is the basics. The magnet itself will not rotate in a homopolar motor unless there is conductive disc attached and glued to the magnet. Then, and only then, can the magnet be made to rotate. The nickel coating on the neo magnet acts like a conductive disk glued to the magnet. If there is a small gap between the conductive disc and a non-conductive magnet, then the conductive disc will rotate and the magnet itself will remain stationary. Rotating only the magnet while the conductive disc/external circuit is stationary doesn't generate a voltage. However, rotating either the disc or external circuit will generate a voltage, regardless if the conductive disc is glued to the magnet or not.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 02:43:50 PM
Here is the basics. The magnet itself will not rotate in a homopolar motor unless there is conductive disc attached and glued to the magnet. Then, and only then, can the magnet be made to rotate. The nickel coating on the neo magnet acts like a conductive disk glued to the magnet. If there is a small gap between the conductive disc and a non-conductive magnet, then the conductive disc will rotate and the magnet itself will remain stationary. Rotating only the magnet while the conductive disc/external circuit is stationary doesn't generate a voltage. However, rotating either the disc or external circuit will generate a voltage, regardless if the conductive disc is glued to the magnet or not.
Gravock
There is a small exception to the highlighted bold portion in the above quote! There is a voltage generated during the acceleration and/or deceleration phase!
A circularly rotating SQF (Space-Quanta-Flux or magnetic field):According to the authors of a publication titled, "Central Oscillator and Space-Quanta-Medium (http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf)" in Chapter 15 on page 148 & 149,
a voltage can be measured using a non-moving contact with a rotating magnet and a stationary conductor disk during the acceleration and/or deceleration phase (which must be carried out rather quickly - see snapshot below for a quick reference). However, at a constant rotational velocity a stationary flow is formed (as with a non-rotating magnet) again around the free conductor-electrons and therefore no voltage can be measured. According to the Monstein-Effect (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hoopmnst.htm), the flow intensity (and thus the magnetic field strength of the permanent magnet) of the SQF changes when rotating the permanent magnet as opposed to the resting state (depending on the direction of rotation, the rotational velocity and the magnetic field strength).
Videos:The Oliver Crane's Theory of the Universe (http://jnaudin.free.fr/videos/crantheo.rm)
Space Quantum Field Flux or RQSm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/videos/rqsm.rm)
Hooper-Monstein Explanation and Experiment from RQM (http://jnaudin.free.fr/videos/rqmstn.rm)
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 03:20:10 PM
According to the authors of a publication titled, "Central Oscillator and Space-Quanta-Medium (http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf)" in Chapter 15 on page 148 & 149, a voltage can be measured using a non-moving contact with a rotating magnet and a stationary conductor disk during the acceleration and/or deceleration phase (which must be carried out rather quickly - see snapshot below for a quick reference)..
Gravock
If we can instantly dump and transfer the magnet's angular momentum, then we can create an unlimited amount of excess energy during the instantaneous acceleration/deceleration phases of the magnet.
Gravock
Quote from: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 02:03:40 PM
Captain Zero you are the disruptor of this thread and the disruption started at post #215. So either contribute technically to this thread or keep your mouth shut.
milehigh you are the disruptor here. no one wants your exploration stifling bs here. you only try to stifle discovery and exploration under the guise of saving someone from wasting money which is more bs. no one needs saving. everyone has a choice and self responsibility. many great discoveries have been made by accident. you are either a twisted mind or working for people who don't want any new discovery.
you also have a choice to be here or not. if you feel paranoid about spewing your crap here so go away if it feels unsafe. you try to threaten others here and stifle free speech? that's new for you and shows how desperate you are. it's obvious to everyone here you are way in over your head with TA. all you can do is insult and make foolish attempts to disrupt the flow here.
it bears repeating what TA said: you have a phd in lip flapping and BS.
fed up with your crap. only have one more thing to say and i'm sure some others here can figure this out. let's see if you are smart enough:
676f2061776179206b696420616e642065736164
NONE OF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A MAGNETIC VORTEX ! You are all just twitting around, what a total load of nonsense ! Ions follow the path of the magnetic field in water and in air in fact the only way to measure a magnetic vortex is by an indirect method for measurement because via the spinning of an object . You must first understand what a magnetic field is made of its mass its spin the quantum mechanics of magnetism dark matter, monopoles, negative vector returns, the boson field , gravitons the dark matter relationship between iron and aluminium . That's the begging than electron coupling, entropy of zero point fluctuations, the space time variable, Harmonic inter phasing within periodic elliptical events of primordial particles , Maxwell's equations , And finally how to isolate a free momentum of atomic mass over its compression of all the above .
I NO DOUBT YOU HAVE NO IDEAR WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT SO DONT WASTE YOUR TIME GO PLAY WITH LEGO AND A BATTERY HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
ME
Steeltpu:
I am not stating BS, you are fibbing. So, do you believe that the magnetic field from an axially polarized disk magnet looks like a toroid or it looks like the attached image?
Which do you believe? Tell the truth now.
MileHigh
P.S.: Before 'sexting' there was 'hexasexting' done on 4 x 4 chicklet keypads.
Quote from: steeltpu on July 20, 2014, 03:45:12 PM
fed up with your crap. only have one more thing to say and i'm sure some others here can figure this out. let's see if you are smart enough:
676f2061776179206b696420616e642065736164
That is a hexadecimal (hex) number.
A hex is a magical spell, usually with malevolent purposes such as having a harmful influence.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 12:42:44 PM
This is nothing new and is nothing that is unexpected. This is a traditional homopolar motor. I have studied and experimented with homopolar motors more than anyone else on this forum, except for maybe broli. You can find many youtube videos of exactly what you have done, except you have immersed your set-up in water. If you use a ceramic non-conductive magnet, instead of a nickel coated conductive neo magnet, then you would get no rotation. Prove me wrong on this, and I won't make another post on this forum. Just make sure the screw that is attached to the magnet isn't running from the rim to the axis. In other words, let the conductive screw only touch a small point at the center of the non-conductive magnet.
Gravock
This i already know.And If i am the only one to have immersed it in water,then it has not been done.
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 07:11:39 AM
this MAY just proove that there is indeed a vortex spin at each end of a PM.
Well, Ive established that a dozen diff. ways already, but your videos and NEW WAYS you may find are excellent !!! :D ;) ;)
Quote from: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 10:08:16 AM
Tinman:
That's an interesting experiment, I can't explain it right now.
WORTH- LESS I can, you cant. Thats because you're in the "cult of the beasts" i.e. QUANTUM BS and GR and that mental midget Einstein.
EIN-STEIN means "ONE STONE" which is German for IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: wattsup on July 20, 2014, 10:38:02 AM
Hmmmmmmmmm. Lots of pages flew by while I was in snooze mode.
wattsup
You are well meaning
but your explanation for WHY electromagnets DONT MAKE A VORTEX is all wrong.
NO SPIN with EM vs. PM because:A: electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, >>>>NOT dielectricity<<<<, as is the case in a PM, of which the dielectricity is 'driving' the vortex from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM
B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity as found in a PM which is "driving" a genuine PM !!
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 04:16:42 PM
This i already know.And If i am the only one to have immersed it in water,then it has not been done.
You are the only one I have seen who has
immersed that particular design into water. That particular design is very popular on youtube, and immersing it into the water doesn't change the results of the experiment! Your set-up immersed in the water is based on the same principals of the original Faraday motor, which was also done in a conductive liquid.
Gravock
Quote from: Farmhand on July 20, 2014, 11:29:29 AM
How is the rising bubbles forming a swirling pattern any different to the rising smoke and flames from a fire causing a swirling pattern ?
GET THE POO out from between your ears, NO OFFENSE.But doing the same with a steel slug DOES NOT PRODUCE A VORTEX
Get that simplex fact??
Tinmans videos are excellent, but there are MANY MANY different ways to get a vortex from a magnet that have NOTHING do with zapping a magnet.
I AM and WILL KEEP making those videos on the DIFFERENT WAYS
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
You are the only one I have seen who has immersed that particular design into water. That particular design is very popular on youtube, and immersing it into the water doesn't change the results of the experiment! Your set-up immersed in the water is based on the same principals of the original Faraday motor, which was also done in a conductive liquid.
Gravock
No, a guy named "magnetflipper" did it YEARS AGO............he has several such vids. But NOT AS GOOD AS TINMANS
Ive done the same 9 months ago.
"magnetflipper" video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl1LVPbYhY
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 20, 2014, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: MileHigh on Today at 05:45:34 PM
Captain Zero:
How is your AIDS coming along? Are you still getting the dizzy spells? Has it started to affect your vision? Your weight was way down last year but has the new drug cocktail made a difference?
I know that you have been coping with it for years and I suppose that you are fortunate because you still have your mobility.
I know it's tough but hang in there, they may have a cure one day.
MileHigh
Good grief...how looney that ?
WOW
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AGREE, He is insane of some variety of MENTAL DEFECT
Quote from: steeltpu on July 20, 2014, 03:45:12 PM
milehigh you are the disruptor here. no one wants your exploration stifling bs here. you only try to stifle discovery and exploration under the guise of saving someone from wasting money which is more bs.
100% Accurate, and as far as SAVING MONEY, I can assure you that that whatever "milehigh" has, Ive got plenty more. ;D ;D ;D ;D
He throws himself upon the "roads of discovery" to keep weaker minds from DISCOVERING anything.
Hes a member of the CULT OF QUANTUM.
Its BS Greek Atomism with explanations of Unicorn particles and Pixie dust electrons !!!! ROFL
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
No, a guy named "magnetflipper" did it YEARS AGO............he has several such vids. But NOT AS GOOD AS TINMANS
Ive done the same 9 months ago.
"magnetflipper" video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl1LVPbYhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl1LVPbYhY)
I am very familiar with the magnetflipper video from long ago. Are you saying magnetflipper immersed the same design as TinMan into the water and had the magnet rotating? I don't think so.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 04:44:01 PM
I am very familiar with the magnetflipper video from long ago. Are you saying magnetflipper immersed the same design as TinMan into the water and had the magnet rotating? I don't think so.
Gravock
Yes, he did, He has a total of I recall 4 or 5 videos with slightly diff. setups.
Doesnt matter, Tinmans videos are excellent ;) ;) ;D, and I gave him HUGE BIG GIANT THUMBS UP comments on HIM and HIS VIDEOS
His videos are PRIMO , excellent, and I was certainly NOT downplaying them AT ALL.
>>>>>Tinmans LATEST TWO VIDEOS are WHOLLY NEW YES!!!!! <<<<<<<<< I was speaking about his first 2 magnet zapping videos from yesterdayHe needs to keep churning out NEW GREAT VIDEOS!!!! Hes Excellent, and I give him A++++++ in every arena.
He is, as they say here "THE CATS ASS" !! (thats good , in case it doesnt translate into OZ!)
It is very common for people to use a conductive fluid instead of a sliding contact or brushes in a homopolar motor/generator. You guys are doing nothing but re-discovering and re-inventing the wheel, lol!
Gravock
Stop the presses! Special message for SteelTPU!!! lol
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MAGNETIC VORTEX IS A PARTICLE MASS ORBITING THE MAGNET NOT THE MOVEMENT OF THE FLUX FROM THE MAGNET !
ME
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 04:16:42 PM
This i already know.And If i am the only one to have immersed it in water,then it has not been done.
>>>>>>>>>FOR TINMAN<<<<<<<<<<<<
SEND ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE ;)
If you let me use a picture or 2 of your experiments I willA: put them in the upcoming 3d edition
B: GIVE YOU A BIG OLE' CREDIT, AND PUT YOUR PICTURE (if you want) ON THE CREDITS PAGE OF THE 3RD EDITION (much much bigger book with new discoveries and data etc etc.) WITH A LINK TO YOUR SITE / INFO ETC ETC.
C: I will let you WRITE YOUR OWN SECTION OF THE BOOK (on your experiments, observations, etc etc) GIVING YOU FULL CREDITS FOR THAT SECTION <<<<
But, thats up to you !!!!!!
Considering THE 2ND EDITION of my book got 260,000 DOWNLOADS TOTAL IN UNDER 12 DAYS........THATS BIG EXPOSURE FOR YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me know !!
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 12:42:44 PM
This is nothing new and is nothing that is unexpected. This is a traditional homopolar motor. I have studied and experimented with homopolar motors more than anyone else on this forum, except for maybe broli. You can find many youtube videos of exactly what you have done, except you have immersed your set-up in water. If you use a ceramic non-conductive magnet, instead of a nickel coated conductive neo magnet, then you would get no rotation. Prove me wrong on this, and I won't make another post on this forum. Just make sure the screw that is attached to the magnet isn't running from the rim to the axis. In other words, let the conductive screw only touch a small point at the center of the non-conductive magnet.
Gravock
re homopolar motors
Not that there's a lot to study....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htOTZNY5eFc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htOTZNY5eFc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R480UW9aSuM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R480UW9aSuM)
If the magnets are inside, and I use steel balls balls to run them on instead they didn't stick to the tower, but did run along 2 aluminum strips on a board; but couldn't move themselves up more than like a 5 degree incline.. if that much
Could easily be done with ceramic magnets in the same place (the bar through them makes contact with outer steel balls); other than ceramic (non conductive) magnets have a much weaker field, they likely cannot move their own weight. With only 1 3/8"x1/8" magnet it didn't work well, but using a stack of 3 to make them 3/8"x3/8" made them work better,
Or another version here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z9v7j6Q6jc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z9v7j6Q6jc) using the field from the ceramic magnet, but not a current flow through it.
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back to tinman's version though... it is odd that enough current goes through the screw to make it work since as much of the steel rod's surface is in the water as is given by the magnet itself...
hmm... probably the bubble formation pushing off the magnet to make it spin in this case, since the vortex disappears
Quote from: d3x0r on July 20, 2014, 06:47:43 PM
it is odd that enough current goes through the screw to make it work since as much of the steel rod's surface is in the water
No it isn't,.... its centripetal induction flow (occurring naturally in the magnet), but increased when charge is added.....which needs only a MICRO-SPOT of contact. ;) ;) ;)
charge is going in centripetally, DISCHARGE is going OUT centrifugally (and also driving the MOTION of the magnet)
Taaaa- Daaaaaaaa ;D
ALL CHARGE IN NATURE IS centripetal (CONVERGENT)..........., all radiation/discharge is CENTRIFUGAL (DIVERGENT)
Magnet attached as cathode or anode (he does both in video), the DIFFERENTIAL IN CHARGE in driving the vortex of BOTH the Hydrogen bubbles and the
movement of the physical magnet.
A magnet on its OWN is naturally charged at the dielectric inertial plane, when he zapps it, its just turning up the "electrical pressure/inertia" OF THE SYSTEM he created
Kudos on his Homopolar design!!!!
If his magnet had a flywheel attached at midpoint....., he would have a free hanging (almost) ELECTROMAGNETIC GYROSCOPE ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 06:33:50 PM
>>>>>>>>>FOR TINMAN<<<<<<<<<<<<
SEND ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE ;)
If you let me use a picture or 2 of your experiments I will
A: put them in the upcoming 3d edition
B: GIVE YOU A BIG OLE' CREDIT, AND PUT YOUR PICTURE (if you want) ON THE CREDITS PAGE OF THE 3RD EDITION (much much bigger book with new discoveries and data etc etc.) WITH A LINK TO YOUR SITE / INFO ETC ETC.
C: I will let you WRITE YOUR OWN SECTION OF THE BOOK (on your experiments, observations, etc etc) GIVING YOU FULL CREDITS FOR THAT SECTION <<<<
Are you serious? When TinMan decides to completely and tightly wrap the electromagnet in aluminium foil and there is rotation, then this will oppose your idea of no rotation in an electromagnet due to it "driving" the magnetism via electricity, instead of dielectricity as is the case in a PM (see quotes below). You are now trying to intentionally misdirect and to deceive others with an incomplete and half-ass experiment by TinMan! You, TinMan, or anyone else is free to prove me wrong, and I will keep my word and not make another post to this forum if there is no rotation in the electromagnet that is wrapped in aluminium foil.
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 05:04:51 AM
Well here is my second test. This time using an electromagnet insted of a PM. There is no spin detected with the electromagnet,unlike the PM that shows a clear spin at the pole's(Im using the terms north and south pole's,as that is what most people understand)
So why no spin with the electromagnet ,that is placed in the same situation???.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 05:09:29 AM
Awesome video!!!!
NO SPIN with EM vs. PM because:
A: electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, >>>>NOT dielectricity<<<<, as is the case in a PM, of which the dielectricity is 'driving' the vortex from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM
B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity as found in a PM which is "driving" a genuine PM !!
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 07:02:58 PM
Are you serious? When TinMan decides to completely and tightly wrap the electromagnet in aluminium foil and there is rotation, then this will oppose your idea of no rotation in an electromagnet due to it "driving" the magnetism via electricity, instead of dielectricity as is the case in a PM (see quotes below). You are now trying to intentionally misdirect and to deceive others with an incomplete and half-ass experiment by TinMan! You, TinMan, or anyone else is free to prove me wrong, and I will keep my word and not make another post to this forum if there is no rotation in the electromagnet that is wrapped in aluminium foil.
You OBVIOUSLY CAN get magnetic flow out of ANY SOLENOID , I state that IN MY BOOK, with pictures no less.
Why dont you have Tinman coat his electromagnet in FOIL.
You're saying insane things now. YOU or HIM do the experiment and let the results speak for themselves ;D ;D ;D
Electricity (AC) is spatial and the product of PHI and PSI, Dielectricity is inertial, counterspatial, it is "NATURES 'Electricity"............Like most, you confuse electricity with dielectricity.
Heaviside, nor Maxwell, NOR TESLA made this idiotic mistake (so why are YOU doing so???)
I see Tinmans experiments............
.YOU..........I see you just flapping your lips.
"Getting rotation" and "GETTING CENTRIFUGAL AND CENTRIPETAL RECIPROCATION"................<<<<<<< THOSE are two WHOLLY DIFF. THINGS ;D ;D
Make the video, (or he can do it) As they say "put up or SHUT UP"
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 07:02:58 PM
and I will keep my word and not make another post to this forum if there is no rotation in the electromagnet that is wrapped in aluminium foil.
WHY ON EARTH would I give a damn what you DO or DONT post????? ;D ;D ;D
Do the foil + electromagnet video YOURSELF.........POST IT.
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 07:02:58 PM
electromagnet due to it "driving" the magnetism via electricity, instead of dielectricity as is the case in a PM (see quotes below).
You dont know (pardon) what Hades you're talking about. ALL Magnets are created from electrification, from a charged capacitor bank
WHAM, the interatomic magneto-dielectricity is CHANGED. The dielectric is INCOMMENSURATE in a magnet, just like a gyroscopic flywheel.
Suggest you research further the diff. between ELECTRICITY vs. DIELECTRICITY
Electricity is aether in a state of dynamic polarization
magnetism is aether in circular / reciprocal motion,
dielectricity is aether under stress or strain.
Incomplete half-ass experiment! I already put something on the table, and that was no posting to this forum if I am proven wrong.
If I do the experiment myself, are you and TinMan also willing not to post to this forum when proven wrong?
It is now time for you to put up or shut up! One way or another, somebody is gone from this forum and I know it won't be me cause I have already done this experiment myself!
Whoever (You, Tinman, or myself) releases the video first, will be free to continue to post to this forum, regardless if the electromagnet with aluminium foil rotates or not! Deal?
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 07:25:49 PM
Incomplete half-ass experiment! I already put something on the table, and that was no posting to this forum if I am proven wrong.
If I do the experiment myself, are you and TinMan also willing not to post to this forum when proven wrong?
It is now time for you to put up or shut up! One way or another, somebody is gone from this forum and I know it won't be me cause I have already done this experiment myself!
Whoever (You, Tinman, or myself) releases the video first, will be free to continue to post to this forum, regardless if the electromagnet with aluminium foil rotates or not! Deal?
Gravock
Great, so where is your VIDEO????
"Getting rotation" and >>>>"GETTING CENTRIFUGAL AND CENTRIPETAL RECIPROCATION"<<<<................<<<<<<< THOSE are two WHOLLY DIFF. THINGS ;D ;D
*$*$*$*$ I love how you think you know more than
Tesla, Steinmetz, Heaviside, and Maxwell !!!!! ;D
They all knew the diff. between electricity and dielectricity..
But, seems you know more than those cretins did!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
You wont PROVE me wrong on a damn thing son, Ive got currently 11 diff methods of showing magnetic VORTEX movements that have
NOTHING to do with zapping a magnet OR CRT TUBES!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o
You going to disprove all 11 of the OTHER methods?????
You're flapping your gums like HighMile or whatever his name is.
Deal? NO. ;D ;D Nobody is playing games like a pathetic child telling others "they will have to leave" EXCEPT YOU My book is about MAGNETS and permanent magnets, you aren't going to disprove a damn thing with your tinfoil (HAT).
Here is what, go write a book about it. :o ;D ;D ;)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 07:30:41 PM
Deal? NO. ;D ;D Nobody is playing games like a pathetic child telling others "they will have to leave" EXCEPT YOU
Those who are intentionally misdirecting and deceiving others should be shown the door!
I don't think anyone here would disagree with me. You refused my offer, and I will let the
reader make their own decisions to why you turned my offer down. Carry on!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 07:42:28 PM
Those who are intentionally misdirecting and deceiving others should be shown the door! I don't think anyone here would disagree with me. You refused my offer, and I will let the reader make their own decisions to why you turned my offer down. Carry on!
Gravock
Full of hubris son.Go write a book, go make a video and SHOW US
Tinmans videos STAND ON THEIR OWN, .........
right now, you are standing on your flapping lips.
Force others to LEAVE? That kind of thinking is Intellectually DEMONIC Actually its worse than intellectually DEMONIC, its pathetic, disgusting, vile, gross, perverse, insane, and the kind of "SUPPRESSION FILTH" one expects out of Communism ;D
I stand on the side of Tesla, Steinmetz, and Maxwell, THEY knew the difference between dielectricity and Electricity
YOU SON, are NOT (not even close) SUPERIOR TO THEM ;) ;)
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 07:42:28 PM
I don't think anyone here would disagree with me.
Actually son, MOST if not all would DISagree. Dont play the "suppression" game son.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nobody likes that kind of Communist FECAL MATTER <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Force others to LEAVE? That kind of thinking is Intellectually DEMONIC
Actually its worse than intellectually DEMONIC, its pathetic, disgusting, vile, gross, perverse, insane, and the kind of "SUPPRESSION FILTH" one expects out of Communism ;D
This is another misdirection by you! I am not forcing anyone to leave! I said, 'whoever releases the video first is free to stay
regardless if the electromagnet wrapped in aluminium foil rotates or not'! I will wait a couple of days, so you or TinMan will have
the greatest opportunity in releasing the video first, so there is no risk for you or him in not being able to post to this forum any more!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 07:57:24 PM
the electromagnet wrapped in aluminium foil rotates or not'!
Gravock
Let me Edu-macate you a bit. ;D ;D
ROTATION = sitting on a STOOL and spinning round. (driven by electricity as per the coil)
Conjugate RECIPROCATION = Centrifugal polarized divergence returning (to the other side) CENTRIPETALLY (convergent) ,.....all driven by dielectricity.
Thoze too aint the same thangs ROFL ;D ;D
Suggest you start reading Heaviside, Steinmetz, JC Maxwell, and Eric P Dollard.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 08:01:26 PM
Let me Edu-macate you a bit. ;D ;D
Let me educate you, if that is even possible! A rotating electromagnet wrapped in aluminium foil will prove your statement below wrong:
"
NO SPIN with EM vs. PM
because:
A:
electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, >>>>
NOT dielectricity<<<<,
as is the case in a PM, of which the
dielectricity is 'driving' the vortex from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM
B:
Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and
does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity
as found in a PM which is "driving" a genuine PM !!"
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 08:23:57 PM
Let me educate you, if that is even possible! A rotating electromagnet wrapped in aluminium foil will prove your statement below wrong
Lets RE-STATE the part you missed, the part you IGNORED, the part you mentally diverted from, the part you are intentionally blinding yourself to:
ROTATION = sitting on a STOOL and spinning round. (driven by electricity as per the coil)
Conjugate RECIPROCATION = Centrifugal polarized divergence returning (to the other side) CENTRIPETALLY (convergent) ,.....all driven by dielectricity.
As has been proven, with enough POWER, you can ROTATE a strawberry and a living FROG in a field.
Maybe you cannot read:
Please for get this vortex with a magnet its nuts ! Magnetic lines do not flow only electrons and bosons in the field do ! A single magnetic line of force is made of a single electron with polarised X Y particles 2.2 trillion of them . Its like a frozen wave and particle formation But one may make the line vibrate it has no response than that and has no entropy to set up a vortex ... Super strings do but they are made of dark matter 2.2 trillion times smaller than an electron . Remember an electron is 2.2 trillion times smaller than its nuclei . Having said this ferrite weak magnetic fields do brake away if set up right with opposing fields but to make them go into a vortex mode of transition would be a very complex and difficult thing to achieve . Best just to look at it happening when galaxies collide the magnetic fluctuations will last for billions of years . But a man made magnetic vortex no way particle stimulation yes but magnet lines of force not a chance . SORRY .....
me
TA,
You're dropping the ball big time!
Your false assertion and wrong claim in there being NO SPIN with an EM, as there is in a PM, as shown by TinMan's incomplete and half-ass experiment is because:
A: electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, >>>>NOT dielectricity<<<<, as is the case in a PM, of which the
dielectricity is 'driving' the vortex from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM
B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity
as found in a PM which is "driving" a genuine PM !!"
Now, when it is shown there is a spin with an EM wrapped in aluminium foil to mimic the conductive nickel coating on a PM, then 'a' and 'b' above can not be correct! You can try and misdirect the readers all you want, but I know otherwise, and the correct experiment will show the readers what I am saying to be true!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 10:03:07 PM
Now, when it is shown there is a spin
Gravock
You have a mental defect son. A GIGANTIC ONE
The EARTH SPINS
Its FIELD has conjugate RECIPROCATION, CW ,and CCW, Centrifugal and Centripetal. Divergent and Convergent.
If, in your insanity you think the spinning / rotating earth is = (the above highlighted), then you need your head examined son.
Seek mental help ;D ;D
Now, go find a NAIL, and sit on it and
spin /rotate. ;D You have no idea what the hell has been said in the last few posts.
OR, you DO, but are ignoring same to save face, which is pure pathetic hubris.
Now, go wise the hell up.
ROTATE / SPIN VS. RECIPROCATION
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 10:03:07 PM
as shown by TinMan's incomplete and half-ass experiment is because:
Gravock
Listen up son, There isnt one person on this board
other than YOURSELF who thinks Tinmans experiments are ANYTHING but logical, well, done, experimental, intelligent, and excellent examples.
Tinman DID THE "DO"
You, like MilesOnHigh, are flapping your lips, and only that.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 10:08:48 PM
You have a mental defect son. A GIGANTIC ONE
The EARTH SPINS
Its FIELD has conjugate RECIPROCATION, CW ,and CCW, Centrifugal and Centripetal. Divergent and Convergent.
If, in your insanity you think the spinning / rotating earth is = (the above highlighted), then you need your head examined son.
Seek mental help ;D ;D
Now, go find a NAIL, and sit on it and spin /rotate. ;D You have no idea what the hell has been said in the last few posts.
OR, you DO, but are ignoring same to save face, which is pure pathetic hubris.
You say in the above that the earth spins, and its field has conjugate reciprocation, CW/CCW, Centrifugal/Centripetal, Divergent and Convergent. And then in your very next sentence you say I need my head examined if I I think the spinning/rotating earth is = to the same field properties of the earth in which you just assigned to it in your previous sentence, lol! Let me clarify this a little better, since you are a little slow:
The EARTH SPINS. Its FIELD has
conjugate RECIPROCATION, CW/CCW, Centrifugal/Centripetal, Divergent/Convergent.
If, in your insanity you think the spinning/rotating earth is = (
conjugate RECIPROCATION, CW/CCW, Centrifugal/Centripetal, Divergent/Convergent), then you need your head examined son. It is you who need your head examined by thinking that the portion on the left side of the equal sign is not the same as the portion on the right side of the equal sign since you assigned both sides of the equal sign with the same field properties, lol.
Don't drink the bong water, lol!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 10:26:48 PM
Gravock
I dont know if you're drunk, or part insane, or both.
Could'nt care less. ;DSince you dont know the difference between
ROTATE (on X, or XY axis) and RECIPROCATE, suggest you go back to school and slap the teacher that "taught" you. ;D
Both, SON, are "movement"..... both are, in a manner "resultant of displacement / charge / fields".
Go make your coil rotate/spin. That, son, IS NOT centrifugal/centripetal divergent/convergent
conjugate field reciprocation.. I suspect you are drunk or insane, not that anyone gives a hoot in hell.
How is it that bubbles rising in water the conclusion makes ?
How do we explain the vortexian structures in the smoke and flames of a fire ?
Or the vortex in the plughole when we let the water out ?
Do they all point to a magnetic field being a vortex as well ?
If not what does the presence of these other vortex structures suggest to us ?
Cheers
Fire tornadoes in Australian outback. I think I see at one stage the thin smoke is forming a large slow vortex while in the center
there is a thin very fast spinning and fast rising vortex of fire inside it @ 1:22.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsyvOYcWgcg
Now are we to assume there is an inverted magnetic vortex in the earth wherever there is a wind/ fire or water vortex ?
And a dielectric plane at about the Earths surface level ?
I think fluids naturally form a vortex when it can due to the movement of the fluid. Because it is an efficientway for it to happen,
just as water will find the easiest route down a hill a fluid will find the easiest way to rise "smoke/fire/bubbles" or
fall "water down a sink hole".
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Quote from: Farmhand on July 20, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
How is it that bubbles rising in water the conclusion makes ?
Or the vortex in the plughole when we let the water out ?
Do they all point to a magnetic field being a vortex as well ?
If not what does the presence of these other vortex structures suggest to us ?
Cheers
Suggest you take a peek at the PICS below and REALLY contemplate them, not LOOK, but THINK
Plug drain vortex?,... Field pressure mediation, pulled plug, void of LOW PRESSURE present,
the fastest way to bleed HIGH to LOW PRESSURE IS A VORTEX (and vice versa), Natures 'lines' are ALL curved. Nature doesnt "do" LINES
Rising bubbles are forming the vortex OFF THE MAGNET, not the steel slug when zapped, NOT the electromagnet, NOR will you (obviously) get same by simplex water hydrolysis
>>>>If not what does the presence of these other vortex structures suggest to us ? <<<<
Suggests NOTHING, TELLS you everything. This is the 'mechanics of fields' in conjugation.
I explain ALL THIS IN THE BOOK,
its free for Pete's sake, I dont want a penny, download it and READ it.
Its not as if I ask anyone TO BUY ANYTHING, because Im not selling. Im retired.
If you want to forget about CRT and zapping a magnet, FINE, there are many other ways to show this vortex pattern off of any "magnet"
Its simplex (not simple) Magneto-dielectric field reciprocation (whats that mean? Its IN THE BOOK).
Nature ,.....Nature......Nature. "all natures lines are CURVED" ;D
Euclidean method,......pen and paper to the rescue!!!
Just print the SAME SHEET about 10 times, then roll 2 up into cones. etc etc.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q)
from February 2009
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 20, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q)
from February 2009
Saw the video.......
Its not a superconductor..... (yes, I have "superconductor" sets myself and 3 dewers).
Just the inverse, a "superconductor" is a super-diamagnetic INSULATOR.
The magnet is 'riding' on top of the Super-Diamagnetic (Yttrium barium copper oxide) ceramic disk.
However you have a HOLE, never the less, the FIELD of intense diamagnetism is still heavy. its preventing the magnetism from "sinking" into (and touching) the supercooled disk, but in your case, sinking DEEPER into the diamagnetic field (=super-dielectric).
Magnetism = RADIATION, LN2 temps cause the inter-atomic magneto-dielectric of the Yttrium-Baro-Copp disk to become
dominantly dielectric (only while super-chilled)
Typically::::IF ITS CLEAR/ ABSORBS EM/LIGHT (GLASS, OIL) = DIELECTRICALLY CAPACITANT
REFLECTS LIGHT (SILVER / COPPER etc) = DIELECTRIC REFLECTOR (EMF generational medium).
High dielectric = diamagnetic
+ LN2 = Super-diamagnetic.NOT "superconducting" this is a fallacy
, its Super-diamagnetic.
I got 3 dewers myself . Love playing with LN2
That ANGLE your getting off the magnet......, the Gyromagnetic precessional angle......is IN MY BOOK. ;D ;D
Your magnet is precessing due to divergent and convergent field conjugation both centrifugal and centripetal to and from both "ends"
Its like trying to balance a spinning ball (field reciprocation) on top of a stream of air.
No, your magnet is NOT "rotating spontaneously", ......all you are doing in that video is using a TESTING MEDIUM (the LN2 and Ytt-disk) to prove very apparently the ALREADY EXISTING field reciprocation of the magnet, which is typically NOT observational.
Thats why I created so many testing media to show this field reciprocation.
Try reading this
"The Fallacy of Conductors"http://journal.borderlands.com/1987/the-fallacy-of-conductors/
Great job at experimenting !!!! Love experimenters ;)
TheoriaApophasis, Have you read Walter Russell's book "The Universal One" it's free as well I suggest you read that. I'll read yours.
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Quote from: Farmhand on July 20, 2014, 11:08:21 PM
TheoriaApophasis, Have you read Walter Russell's book "The Universal One" it's free as well I suggest you read that. I'll read yours.
You kidding? ;) We are (Platonic Fraternity) the ones that DIGITIZED ALL HIS WORKS to make them searchable via a PDF Adobe search !!!!! ;) ;) ;) ;)
yeah, I have all his works.
I have endless PDF books
Quote from: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 07:25:49 PM
Incomplete half-ass experiment! I already put something on the table, and that was no posting to this forum if I am proven wrong.
If I do the experiment myself, are you and TinMan also willing not to post to this forum when proven wrong?
It is now time for you to put up or shut up! One way or another, somebody is gone from this forum and I know it won't be me cause I have already done this experiment myself!
Whoever (You, Tinman, or myself) releases the video first, will be free to continue to post to this forum, regardless if the electromagnet with aluminium foil rotates or not! Deal?
Gravock
You cobba are what we here in OZ call a dropkick
I have much respect for many members here, and your not one of them.Calling my experiments half arsed is just your excuse for having no answers to what I show right befor your eyes.And to r hink I would just fall for your idiotic deal, is nothing short of stupid.please post some of your own experiments, then let others judge your half arsed videos.
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 11:46:41 PM
You cobba are what we here in OZ call a dropkick
Well said. By the way, I zipped off your videos (the last 2) to some insanely rich (yes, that rich) very very close friends of mine. ;) ;)
1 has contacted me already, the other one is in China on a business trip.
send a private PM if you want.
@TA
Thanks for the offers, but I must decline.
To all-please understand that I only say what I see in my test and experiments, and by no means are making claims outside of what my own tests are showing me-you see whst I am seeing in each test. Of course there could be different results if we set up the test differently-like the electromagnet test. I WILL be doing more on that,but you saw the results of that setup just as I did.
More to come, and all advice by others (except gravityblock) taken seriously
Cheers
Brad
Quote from: Farmhand on July 20, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
How is it that bubbles rising in water the conclusion makes ?
How do we explain the vortexian structures in the smoke and flames of a fire ? (coriolis)
Or the vortex in the plughole when we let the water out ? (coriolis)
Do they all point to a magnetic field being a vortex as well ? No
If not what does the presence of these other vortex structures suggest to us ?
Cheers
Fire tornadoes in Australian outback. I think I see at one stage the thin smoke is forming a large slow vortex while in the center
there is a thin very fast spinning and fast rising vortex of fire inside it @ 1:22.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsyvOYcWgcg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsyvOYcWgcg)
Now are we to assume there is an inverted magnetic vortex in the earth wherever there is a wind/ fire or water vortex ?
And a dielectric plane at about the Earths surface level ?
I think fluids naturally form a vortex when it can due to the movement of the fluid. Because it is an efficientway for it to happen,
just as water will find the easiest route down a hill a fluid will find the easiest way to rise "smoke/fire/bubbles" or
fall "water down a sink hole".
..
..
most are examples are coriolis effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect)
But that doesn't account for the spin around the magnet, otherwise the effect would be seen with just a block of metal.
Although I do wonder if being a hollow pipe defeated the electromagnet... much like a magnet with a hole in the center has an opposite pole in the hole.
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/16712/hole-in-the-disc-shaped-magnet (http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/16712/hole-in-the-disc-shaped-magnet)
with the magnet with the hole used in the first demo the hole was smaller and probably played less of a role.
physical demonstration that's not very good...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAPeN-6sHUg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAPeN-6sHUg)
Attached image shows field lines from a ring magnet... leaving the north pole and entering the south pole happens on both the inside and outside, which makes magnets both inside and outside flip as if there's a south pole instead of a north pole beyond the material of the magnet... I guess the best demonstration is bedini 'virtual' south poles as indicated when talking about a monopolar motor... inbetween ANY two norths is a south.
(somewhat related, but starting to be digressive)
If a spherical magnet is put on a metal plate, it will balance so there's a north/south parallel to the surface of the plate, making the strongest binding... the flat rubber magnetic sheets used for truck decals and refigerator magnets have lots of north/south lines in them, which gives them the strongest binding force, and provides most stability in the weak material by actually having a south inbetween each north... the thickness of the sheet determines how wide these are...
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The south is felt most within the top/bottom boundary of the magnet, which in a fluid it will definately experience.... moving a magnet outside of this region will make it seem as if it's an all-north face, but with a thinner outer boundary and smaller sensing magnet, there is a flip outside of the material of the magnet (above)
Edit:(oops arrow on right side, bottom is going the wrong direction) *shrug*
Edit2: did find an image reflecting the opposite pole in the middle of a ring magnet that's more artfully drawn.
Fire tornados may relate to birkland currents though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKG7HFM21Qk
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 11:57:26 PM
@TA
Thanks for the offers, but I must decline.
To all-please understand that I only say what I see in my test and experiments, and by no means are making claims outside of what my own tests are showing me-you see whst I am seeing in each test. Of course there could be different results if we set up the test differently-like the electromagnet test. I WILL be doing more on that,but you saw the results of that setup just as I did.
More to come, and all advice by others (except gravityblock) taken seriously
Cheers
Brad
Maybe you'll take what I say seriously when you see the electromagnet wrapped completely and tightly in aluminium foil start rotating like the conductive nickel coated neo magnet. Or, see how a non-conductive ceramic magnet doesn't rotate like the electromagnet without a conductive coating!
Gravock
Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2014, 03:57:17 AM
I said nothing about flipping the poles of a the magnet. I said ,Quote: We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet will still rotate in the same direction-And this is correct thank you.Please read post correctly ,before saying some one is incorrect.
No, you are once again wrong! The conductive magnet will spin in opposite directions when placing the wire in the north region as compared to placing the wire in the south region!
Like I said, prove me wrong, and I won't make another post to this forum!
Gravock
Quote from: d3x0r on July 20, 2014, 11:57:47 PM
Although I do wonder if being a hollow pipe defeated the electromagnet... much like a magnet with a hole in the center has an opposite pole in the hole.
NO, and no and no and no to that one. ..........And, NO.
There is no "opposite pole" in the "middle", THERE IS the dielectric inertial plane
around the CIRCUMFERENCE of ALL magnets.
You cut a magnet a 1000000 times, it will still be there, it is "incommensurable". As it is necessitated to be so.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 20, 2014, 11:57:47 PM
If a spherical magnet is put on a metal plate, it will balance so there's a north/south parallel to the surface of the plate, making the strongest binding... the flat rubber magnetic sheets used for truck decals and refigerator magnets have lots of north/south lines in them, which gives them the strongest binding force, and provides most stability in the weak material by actually having a south inbetween each north... the thickness of the sheet determines how wide these are...
If a SPHERE MAGNET is placed ON A MAGNET is has a PRECISE angle, due to gyromagnetic precession. Its IN the book.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 20, 2014, 11:57:47 PM
The south is felt most within the top/bottom boundary of the magnet, which in a fluid it will definately experience.... moving a magnet outside of this region will make it seem as if it's an all-north face, but with a thinner outer boundary and smaller sensing magnet, there is a flip outside of the material of the magnet (above)
NOPE to that as well.
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 12:27:30 AM
Maybe you'll take what I say seriously when you see the electromagnet wrapped completely and tightly in aluminium foil start rotating like the conductive nickel coated neo magnet.
Gravock
Once again (for the 4th time) son, ROTATION/ SPIN is
NOT conjugate field reciprocation.
I suspect you are drunk or insane.
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 12:35:27 AM
The conductive magnet will spin in opposite directions
Gravock
Demented child........... EACH "side" OF EVERY MAGNET ON EARTH HAS TWO vortex movements, ONE centrifugal, and ONE centripetal
So, every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
Which side is moving which direction?!!!
N pole is moving centrifugally CW and centripetally CCW
S pole is moving centrifugally CCW, and centripetally CW back to school with you.
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 11:57:26 PM
Brad
If you want, I will put your credit and a couple pictures in the 3rd edition and give you credit for your new invention
IF you want, As I said, I got many hundreds of 1000s of downloads on the book already (NO I DONT MAKE A CENT OFF IT).
IF you want your picture and a credit for your discovery in the book, I will give it, if not, I wont put it there. YOUR CHOICE.
Otherwise I will replicate same experiment
and give you credit but use MY picture
Quote from: d3x0r on July 20, 2014, 11:57:47 PM
Although I do wonder if being a hollow pipe defeated the electromagnet... much like a magnet with a hole in the center has an opposite pole in the hole.
Poor execution of a half-ass experiment and a lack of understanding on TinMan's part is what defeated the electromagnet from rotating. However, there is an inverted field in the hole of a ring magnet like you said. Here's an awsum video on a homopolar motor with an inverted field (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZbfTgGEtzg0&ei=W53MU7iqCaPE8QHEm4HQAw&usg=AFQjCNFf6w6u98DQFa1ADFMq3dIzyJiQ1w&sig2=cEis-OYAMRdshDLXfXQNkA).
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 01:04:50 AM
Poor execution of a half-ass experiment and a lack of understanding on TinMan's part is what defeated the electromagnet from rotating.
BS claim #1
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 01:04:50 AM
However, there is an inverted field in the hole of a ring magnet like you said.
BS claim #2
"inverted field in the hole" WHAT HOLE? ;D ;D ;D Fields dont "see holes", All fields move divergently and convergently
charge/discharge
convergent/divergent
centripetal/centrifugal
Been around here for quite some time and I have to say this is a first
TheoriaApophasis (http://www.overunity.com/profile/theoriaapophasis.102135/)
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Well said. By the way, I zipped off your videos (the last 2) to some insanely rich (yes, that rich) very very close friends of mine.
1 has contacted me already, the other one is in China on a important business trip.
send a private PM if you want.
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So you send off a mans work to Investors and business men
with out even asking him??
start threads in other forums promoting your FREE book with his work? [again with out even asking him]
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19618-utterly-new-type-homopolar-motor-just-invented-off-my-book-video.html#post261712 (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19618-utterly-new-type-homopolar-motor-just-invented-off-my-book-video.html#post261712)
something very odd about that
very odd indeed
Sorta like international Patent Harvester meets Open source
suckers...........
?
We have seen that Before and so has Brad.........
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 12:48:46 AM
There is no "opposite pole" in the "middle", THERE IS the dielectric inertial plane around the CIRCUMFERENCE of ALL magnets.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 12:48:46 AM
You cut a magnet a 1000000 times, it will still be there, it is "incommensurable". As it is necessitated to be so.
no cutting involved; just test using a speaker/microwave oven magnet....
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 12:48:46 AM
If a SPHERE MAGNET is placed ON A MAGNET is has a PRECISE angle, due to gyromagnetic precession. Its IN the book.
I said on a metal plate (should have additionally specified ferrous so I didn't get a smart remark about it not being attracted at all on copper/aluminum etc)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 12:48:46 AM
QuoteThe south is felt most within the top/bottom boundary of the magnet, which in a fluid it will definately experience.... moving a magnet outside of this region will make it seem as if it's an all-north face, but with a thinner outer boundary and smaller sensing magnet, there is a flip outside of the material of the magnet (above)
NOPE to that as well.
Ya actually it is. Inside a ring magnet, the a separate magnet will be south-up if the ring is is north-up just like attaching a magnet to the outside.... the mating magnet will be south-up.
But I'm not defending this any further... this bit will definitely be leading a horse to water (but can't make him drink); and shouldn't have
hey look thousands of images with magnets with holes in them (https://www.google.com/search?q=ring+magnet&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS519US519&espv=2&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=daLMU4q3E4eHogTU2ILwBg&ved=0CEIQsAQ&biw=1466&bih=875).
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 01:04:50 AM
Poor execution of a half-ass experiment and a lack of understanding on TinMan's part is what defeated the electromagnet from rotating. However, there is an inverted field in the hole of a ring magnet like you said. Here's an awsum video on a homopolar motor with an inverted field (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZbfTgGEtzg0&ei=W53MU7iqCaPE8QHEm4HQAw&usg=AFQjCNFf6w6u98DQFa1ADFMq3dIzyJiQ1w&sig2=cEis-OYAMRdshDLXfXQNkA).
Gravock
Total crap once again.In my first videos, I used a PM with a hole through the center, and guess what brainiac-thats right, it made no difference at all. Another one of your theories.I was never trying to get the electromagnet to spin-where did you ever come up with that? Go watch the video again-and get your facts straight before opening your big mouth again.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 12:53:42 AM
Demented child........... EACH "side" OF EVERY MAGNET ON EARTH HAS TWO vortex movements, ONE centrifugal, and ONE centripetal
So, every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
Which side is moving which direction?!!!
N pole is moving centrifugally CW and centripetally CCW
S pole is moving centrifugally CCW, and centripetally CW
back to school with you.
No, it's back to school for you. Duel Counter Rotating Homopolar Motor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZlAejTMYk) (Magnetic Vortex Motor - Part 4)! This video clearly shows the conductive discs moving in opposite directions over opposite poles and not in the same rotation direction as you and TinMan wrongly and falsely asserts.
Gravock
Quote from: ramset on July 21, 2014, 01:12:31 AM
So you send off a mans work to Investors and business men
with out even asking him??
In CASE YOU DIDNT NOTICE SON, his videos are on an OPEN INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC YOUTUBE SITE
Now, wise the HELL UPIve never stolen ANYONES work,........... I retired at age 32, Im not out to SHAFT ANYONES HARD WORK
Get that son? !
Take your conspiracy crap down the road. Got that? YES, my book IS FREE, I am NOT SELLING ANYTHING
And I sure as hell am not stealing ANYONES WORK.
I sent off links to HIS VIDEOS trying to HELP TINMAN, maybe they can BUY HIS PROOF OF DESIGN FROM HIM.
Take off your tinfoil hat boy, You DONT KNOW ME
and dont EVER accuse me of being out to steal anyones HARD WORK
Got that boy?
Quote from: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 01:18:19 AM
If a SPHERE MAGNET is placed ON A MAGNET is has a PRECISE angle, due to gyromagnetic precession. Its IN the book.
I said on a metal plate (should have additionally specified ferrous so I didn't get a smart remark about it not being attracted at all on copper/aluminum etc)
I know, I was referring to another method, ON a magnet.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 01:18:19 AM
Ya actually it is. Inside a ring magnet, the a separate magnet will be south-up if the ring is is north-up just like attaching a magnet to the outside.... the mating magnet will be south-up.
Ya actually, no.......you "dont get it", EVERY SIDE TO EVERY MAGNET on earth has 2 fields, (both magnetic, as driven by dielectricity), centrifugal, and centripetal.
N and S are also ultimately meaningless polarized = spatial, = human perceptualizations of "N and S", reciprocal field conjugation has neither "S nor N" "poles" reductively.
that "center" you speak of can be seen with magnetic viewing film, its the dielectric inertial plane.
So, every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
N pole is moving centrifugally CW and centripetally CCW
S pole is moving centrifugally CCW, and centripetally CW
From the illustrations below: We have, at picture 1, the "magnetic" disk resting against gravity in parallel to the dielectric plane
of the large 2x2x1" magnet, whose dielectric inertial plane is illustrated in green. In picture 2 we have the steel disk sitting (it almost
will rest on its knife edge) perpendicular to the dielectric, which is the only low torque position in line with the magnetic circular
induction, marked in red. In fact, even using a magnet twice this size, and many 100s of times the weight of the steel disk, the torque
of the steel disk along the dielectric will move the magnet to keep a perfect perpendicular; the same is true in reverse for the disk
"magnet" in parallel to the dielectric of the block. The steel disk is magnetized, is a magnetically induced disk in whole, whereas the
block and disk in picture one are electrified, are "magnets" only conventionally but are in fact dielectric objects in near-whole, and sodeemed
"magnets" because the magnetic 'part' is spatial and the near-whole, dielectric, is counterspatial and radial. This is magnetodielectric
momentum; identical to gyroscopic inertia, however here we have dielectrical centripetal inertia and circular magnetic
inertia expanding along the Z-axis (see diagrams of magnetism in other sections of this article). Massive confusion exists that this is
the "boundary wall, domain wall, Bloch wall" of a magnet, it is not, it is the primary mover of the magnetism, having been electrified,
it is the dielectric inertial plane. Breaking the magnet will cause an immediate (faster than light) creation of a new self-centering
dielectric plane. As per figure 1 I can place the brick magnet on a 500 pound refrigerator and not making contact with the tiny fewgrams
disk magnet, twist it from parallel against the dielectric plane against the brick magnet and make the 500 pound refrigerator
shake resultantly there is so much dielectric torque at play. This among many other experiments is proof that dielectricity is at play in
any magnet as primary, and magnetism itself as merely an attributional secondary. You certainly could not cause such a reaction by
way of magnetism alone from the disk magnet to the 500-pound object, that would be impossible; only by means of dielectric torque.
Avoid the very appearance of evil and no one will accuse you
""I called my very Rich friends and sent them your work because I'm such a helpy kinda guy..
I retired at twelve because I'm sucha helpy guy that peeps just send me money....""
where I come from we just call it respect....
its a manly thing....
your posting such large pics that its making me sleepy running back and forth to read the page
Maybe one of your zillion PDFs and Books will teach you how to post on a forum [I personally don't know how myself]
Nightey night...........
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 01:24:46 AM
No, it's back to school for you.
Gravock
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZlAejTMYk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZlAejTMYk
You DEMENTED DEMON, ;D ;D he says in that video,
the same damn thing I DO at 32 seconds in. ROFL
However he is only witnessing the CENTRIFUGAL movement, NOT the centripetal.
Yes, you are officially drunk and/or insane ;D ;D ;D
Look at HIS diagram below in HIS video, its just a CRUDE example of what I have already said.
You son, are bat guano insane. ;D ;D
Quote from: tinman on July 20, 2014, 05:04:51 AM
Well here is my second test. This time using an electromagnet insted of a PM. There is no spin detected with the electromagnet,unlike the PM that shows a clear spin at the pole's(Im using the terms north and south pole's,as that is what most people understand)
So why no spin with the electromagnet ,that is placed in the same situation???.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)
Because you half-assed the experiment and the electromagnet was not placed in the same situation as the permanent magnet! The permanent magnet used in your experiment had a nickel coated conductive layer around it while the electromagnet had no conductive layer wrapped around it!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 01:44:16 AM
The permanent magnet used in your experiment had a nickel coated conductive layer around it while the electromagnet had no conductive layer wrapped around it!
Gravock
GOOD NEWS MORON........... I did this experiment off a crap neodymium magnet with
ALL the nickle plating OFF of it over a year ago when I saw "magnetflippers" video
That ends your BS right there. ;D ;D
Someone thought of that "loophole" before YOU DID (I did)
Neodymium iron boron magnet (or even an iron one) will conduct, WILL, under electrolysis of the water, create a vortex of hydrogen bubbles.
Now what meatheat?
I know I have made my points already but it can't hurt to reinforce them perhaps just one more time. It's sometimes just flabbergasting to see how screwed up people can be in their thought processes some times and how other people will actually back them up. It's like some kind of reality distortion field descends upon some people and then some kind of "zombie force" takes over people's minds. It's like watching the news and hearing about some horrible unspeakable act that was done by what was apparently a normal person or a normal couple. It's almost scary that this can happen and it's equally scary that some people will read it and not say anything.
QuoteTHERE IS the dielectric inertial plane around the CIRCUMFERENCE of ALL magnets.
So, every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
N pole is moving centrifugally CW and centripetally CCW
S pole is moving centrifugally CCW, and centripetally CW
Those types of statements quoted above are absolutely retarded nonsensical idiocy and people reading them should have the guts to speak out and say it. I realize this is just some nano-alleyway on the Internet and very few people are reading then and even fewer really care. If you read and you care and you agree with me, at least one posting expressing your own opinion would be worth considering.
What are we coming to when this stuff happens? If you want to be dramatic it feels like the beginning of a slippery slope towards the complete technical mental retardation of the population. There is not too much of a difference between this thread and the quasi-cult of the QEG and Fix the World, or even worse, that creepy cult-like group in Brazil that makes "environmentally friendly" table fans built around a very inefficient pulse motor for $250 USD a pop.
I know the other point of view is to refrain from "feeding" this guy. If nobody speaks up one day a guy like this may end up teaching your kids "science" because he slipped through the cracks.
Timnan is doing some interesting experiments, but the rest of this thread is just brain pollution. It's a complete nonsense thread. Just look at the nonsensical way this guy has bashed me and many other people. It's just ridiculous. It's like some guy put a magnet near a CRT monitor and had no clue what he was looking at and has ended up creating his own Bizarro Universe and he wants you to sip his Kool-Aid.
This teacher that has put up clips is my favourite link for a good beginners introduction to electronics and magnetism. It does require that you have a basic understanding of calculus.
https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos)
The YouTuber Lasseviren can blow Theoria out of the water with his pinky. You are comparing and contrasting absolutely real with crackpot nonsense. Note the crackpot has no clothes and he can't even solve the most basic electronics and magnetism problems. He is nothing but a poser that had a copy-pastagasm.
If you want to get a bit more technical, most people know the "Hyperphysics" web site. Their server is down tonight so making a link is a bit more complicated. Just Google it.
There is also the MIT series on electricity and magnetism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3omwHv3Cmog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3omwHv3Cmog)
The society is not healthy without the lunatic fringe but there are limits. If a guy like this somehow ended up teaching my kids science I would go after him, I would go after the school, and I would go after the school board.
This guy is pure junk, his book is pure junk, and he is clueless. And he plays some kind of exaggerated and histrionic Jim-Carey-Mask-like over-the-top character to the hilt. It's not even funny, it's just ridiculous. That's the bottom line.
I am not stopping him from posting. He can post up a storm if he wants, that's his right. It's also my right to say my piece.
MileHigh
Quote from: ramset on July 21, 2014, 01:36:35 AM
where I come from we just call it respect....
its a manly thing....
I have ALREADY heaped respect ON HIS VIDEOS on other sites, and TO OTHER PEOPLE.
They're HIS experiments, HIS work, HIS videos. I dont steal other people hard work. I DO however direct people to possibly INVEST in an invention. That however helps TINMAN, not hurt him.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 01:39:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZlAejTMYk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZlAejTMYk)
You DEMENTED DEMON, ;D ;D he says in that video, the same damn thing I DO at 32 seconds in. ROFL
However he is only witnessing the CENTRIFUGAL movement, NOT the centripetal.
Yes, you are officially drunk and/or insane ;D ;D ;D
Look at HIS diagram below in HIS video, its just a CRUDE example of what I have already said.
You son, are bat guano insane. ;D ;D
I am not disputing that there is two counter rotating vortices as stated at 32 seconds in the video. I have been saying the magnet/disc will rotate in opposite directions when over opposite poles, instead of rotating in the same rotation direction over opposite poles as you and TinMan wrongly and falsely asserted. The video proves what I said is true, and proves your and TinMan's assertion to be false. This is another misdirection attempt by you!
Gravock
Quote from: MileHigh on July 21, 2014, 01:51:40 AM
A: If nobody speaks up one day a guy like this may end up teaching your kids "science" because he slipped through the cracks.
B: Timnan is doing some interesting experiments, but the rest of this thread is just brain pollution
MileHigh
>>>>>>>>>>>You JUST
CONTRADICTED YOURSELF straight to hell and back you worthless LUMP <<<<<<<<<<<
PART B (above) is happening because of A,......I inspired him, Tinman, (and others on other boards)..... to investigate something he would NOT HAVE DONE SO IF I DIDNT CREATE THIS THREAD AND POST THE FREE BOOK TO HIM (and others)
You see that stinking rancid &#(*@($ contradiction you mindless demented fool?????? :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Tinman was inspired to DO THINGS , because of MY POST (which I BEGAN),
He both IS and HAS PRODUCED RESULTS...............due to inspiration from THIS THREAD / BOOK
You , sir, only produce mental excreta and dissuade people from exploring and inventing. Your thoughts are more rancid than a rotting fish's orifice
Is this you?
You are the one that is the mindless demented fool, jackass.
Post up a storm, and show the world your retarded nonsense with pride. Feel free to paint yourself into a corner complete with your dunce cap.
Carry on....
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 01:48:11 AM
GOOD NEWS MORON........... I did this experiment off a crap neodymium magnet with ALL the nickle plating OFF of it over a year ago when I saw "magnetflippers" video
That ends your BS right there. ;D ;D
Someone thought of that "loophole" before YOU DID (I did)
Neodymium iron boron magnet (or even an iron one) will conduct, WILL, under electrolysis of the water, create a vortex of hydrogen bubbles.
Now what meatheat?
This has nothing to do with the magnet or electromagnet rotating or not, lol!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 01:54:33 AM
This is another misdirection attempt by you!
Gravock
Bullsh*t WALKS.
You want "misdirection" son? A: I post this thread
B: An intelligent inventive critter like Tinman gets inspired from the info here/in the book .......to do something WHOLLY DIFFERENT
C: Holy Sh*t!!!!!!! Instant resultsD: ..........what??? more??
Holy Sh*t, Tinmin finds a NEW TYPE of homopolar motor from MY thread, and info from THIS thread / My book (both etc.)
That, boy, is called "RESULTS" ;D
Go sit on your electromotor
Quote from: MileHigh on July 21, 2014, 02:03:30 AM
You are the one that is the mindless demented fool, jackass.
I just proved ,
with 100% absolute certainty, that you contradicted yourself to hell AND back again. ;D
You know damn well what you said above.
I dont believe in MIB, or "suppression agents", But you, boy
ARE ONE in principle.Ive had 4 people private message me that your a clueless lump whose ONLY purpose is to dissuade people from
A: invention
B: experimenting
C: discovery
D: investigation.
Too bad your BS isnt working, maybe it will or has on weaker minds.
You dont invent, you dont create, you have no patent(s). You are not, definitionally, a "Platonic truth seeker".
Your a parrot for the Cult of Quantum and a closed minded boob.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 02:08:13 AM
Bullsh*t WALKS.
You want "misdirection" son?
A: I post this thread
B: An intelligent inventive critter like Tinman gets inspired from the info here/in the book .......to do something WHOLLY DIFFERENT
C: Holy Sh*t!!!!!!! Instant results
D: ..........what??? more?? Holy Sh*t, Tinmin finds a NEW TYPE of homopolar motor from MY thread, and info from THIS thread / My book (both etc.)
That, boy, is called "RESULTS" ;D
Go sit on your electromotor
A new type of homopolar motor? It is the most common type of homopolar motor you will find on youtube, lol!
Gravock
Milehigh
It does seem very odd indeed......
and yes the TinMan's work shines thru as the highlight .[I really don't understand Why Gravock is throwin piunches at TinMan???]
But the universe works in strange ways and Ken is very excited about all this work he has compiled
and he has excited a lot of other folks too...
I just wish we could take this back to a more respectful and professional place.
and I don't mean Business profession KEN we work here free of those attachments and what they represent...
Open source !!
Thx
Chet
MH,
This thread has been a tough read to follow from the very beginning. The arrogance, condescension, and ego battles are just way over the top.
My only post up to now has been with regard to Tinman's spinning bubbles experiment, which I thought interesting enough to deserve a few null experiments to further investigate the cause.
As for the rest, it speaks for itself...
PW
Quote from: ramset on July 21, 2014, 02:12:44 AM
I just wish we could take this back to a more respectful and professional place.
and I don't mean Business profession KEN we work here free of those attachments and what they represent...
Open source !!
Thx
Chet
I admit to being a pissy bastard sometimes. But Im always out to help people.
My incredibly rich friend said "what the &@**# are you giving that book away for??? You worked so hard on it, SELL IT! ...and you have another 3rd edition coming out"
I said NO, I love giving things away. I care about wisdom, invention, understanding.
Like Tesla said "my favorite things are books" . Kinda the same here, I only want knowledge and progress and information to get out there.
People hate the book, dont give a hoot, people like it, great, people INVENT something based upon it, even much better.
As E. Dollard says
"I dont give a damn if you believe me, TEST and EXPERIMENT yourself!!"
What the hell ever happened to pure exploration? A lust to experiment and invent.
I have an ongoing experiment (done it 10X already) , when people see the results, their brains will do a flip. (At least it has to the few I have shown it to).
Congrats to Tinman. ;)
PW and Ramset:
Thanks for your comments.
And to "the dude:" The people that sent you messages claiming that I am a "clueless lump" (your words or theirs?) are lying through their teeth. Likewise YOU are lying through your teeth because you are not so retarded that you can't make inferences about my technical knowledge and background. When I asked you for three technical discussions about a Bedini motor it's because I can write up five pages about testing a Bedini motor without batting an eyelash. You on the other hand, are clueless and can't say anything.
You are a ridiculous nonsensical clueless histrionic dumb-ass POSER.
That's it, I am done. Go ahead and continue making a fool of yourself. Post as much as you want.
Quote from: ramset on July 21, 2014, 02:12:44 AM
Milehigh
It does seem very odd indeed......
and yes the TinMan's work shines thru as the highlight .[I really don't understand Why Gravock is throwin piunches at TinMan???]
But the universe works in strange ways and Ken is very excited about all this work he has compiled
and he has excited a lot of other folks too...
I just wish we could take this back to a more respectful and professional place.
and I don't mean Business profession KEN we work here free of those attachments and what they represent...
Open source !!
Thx
Chet
TinMan did an incomplete experiment that is misleading people down the wrong path and to form wrong conclusions while his boy TA is wrongfully puffing him up over it. TinMan also made a false assertion about the rotation direction over opposite poles. As far as TA goes, it has been one false assertion after another. This is total B.S. and I am pissed off.
Gravock
Gravock
TinMan works his Butt off all day at a job and goes home and experiments for the benefit of others
he's been doing it for years
He makes no claims and only asks for answers to his work and advise on whats happening?
This will all pan out and the biggest reason it will pan out is because TinMan is involved and he practices Brutal honesty in His work .
and he is quite tenacious.
please stop taking his work as an assault on yourself
this is an opportunity to learn and perhaps to teach
at the very least we need to attempt to steer this Thread back to a more respectful course.
thx
Chet
PS
And I am respectfully grabbin my Pillow and gettin some shuteye
Gravoc-I will put together all my statements, and then all your misdirected comments.Then we will see who is missleeding who.i have only made statements based around whst I see in the experiment im doing at the time.so hold of on the dribble until you read your own mistakes
Quote from: ramset on July 21, 2014, 02:38:58 AM
Gravock
TinMan works his Butt off all day at a job and goes home and experiments for the benefit of others
he's been doing it for years
He makes no claims and only asks for answers to his work and advise on whats happening?
This will all pan out and the biggest reason it will pan out is because TinMan is involved and he practices Brutal honesty in His work .
and he is quite tenacious.
please stop taking his work as an assault on yourself
this is an opportunity to learn and perhaps to teach
at the very least we need to attempt to steer this Thread back to a more respectful course.
thx
Chet
Fair enough!
Gravock
Quote from: tinman on July 21, 2014, 02:45:01 AM
Gravoc-I will put together all my statements, and then all your misdirected comments.Then we will see who is missleeding who.i have only made statements based around whst I see in the experiment im doing at the time.so hold of on the dribble until you read your own mistakes
I read one of your posts out of context and referred to flipping the poles. From that point on, you got an attitude with me. Regardless, what I said was correct. There was no intentional misdirection on my part. You, then put things into the correct context for me by stating that the rotation direction is the same for both the south pole region and the north pole region of the magnet......which I stated was also wrong! Then you get more of an attitude with me cause I disagreed with you once again! TA waving an incomplete experiment as support for his wrong conclusions doesn't help matters either.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 02:57:52 AM
TA waving an incomplete experiment as support for his wrong conclusions doesn't help matters either.
Gravock
As per this BS claim,
the burden of PROOF, lay in your lap son.Tinman did the work, now go make a video and show us we are all full of BS.
stop talking , start DOING.
Quote from: tinman on July 21, 2014, 02:45:01 AM
Then we will see who is missleeding who.i have only made statements based around whst I see in the experiment im doing at the time.so hold of on the dribble until you read your own mistakes
No worries mate, you have cred, and anyone with 2 brain cells can SEE you do "the DO".
I assume you dont take their worthless lip flapping BS as anything other than the buzzing of flies.
I cant wait to reveal the experiments Ive been doing recently with magnetism and "X" Its just stunning. ;)
By the way, people were asking me to make this diagram below, I wonder myself why I didnt include it in the 2nd edition
Quote from: MileHigh on July 21, 2014, 02:23:35 AM
You are a ridiculous nonsensical
You have nothing intelligent to contribute on the topic of magnetism, field reciprocation, field incommensurability, implications of same, as per invention, meaning, use, etc etc.
Go play SPEEDBUMP somewhere else son.
Intellectually,
you're a sandpaper condom. "worse than useless"
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 02:57:52 AM
I read one of your posts out of context and referred to flipping the poles. From that point on, you got an attitude with me. Regardless, what I said was correct. There was no intentional misdirection on my part. You, then put things into the correct context for me by stating that the rotation direction is the same for both the south pole region and the north pole region of the magnet......which I stated was also wrong! Then you get more of an attitude with me cause I disagreed with you once again! TA waving an incomplete experiment as support for his wrong conclusions doesn't help matters either.
Gravock
I got attitude with you? You made a faulse and incorrect statement toward what I said-and ive got attitude? Really Gravoc.
Then you say the reason I didnt get the electromagnet to spin was because of a half ass job. The spinning magnet video was the last one, and the electromahnet test had nothing to do with spinning a magnet.it was based around the video-getting the bubbles to spin-another incorrect statement by you-along with your incorrect insult about a half ass experiment.my conclusion was 100% correct based around the experiment performed.The electromagnet in the test showed different results to that of a PM. You decide its wrong based on a device that I was not testing. Do you know how stupid that sounds-Tinman, your horse power measurements for your 4 banger are wrong, because my V8 has double that. Get this straight Gravoc-I give AND show results of devices im testing-not what you think I should be testing.
Quote from: tinman on July 18, 2014, 08:45:19 AM
We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet spins in the same direction-so what pole is produced from the wire?.
This statement is absolutely wrong and wasn't based on any experiments you were currently doing.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 05:19:58 AM
This statement is absolutely wrong and wasn't based on any experiments you were currently doing.
Gravock
Nobody is buying your BS against Tinman.
zip your hole about HIS work. 1 second of his work is worth 100 pages of your lip flapping
......back to magnetism.
Quote from: tinman on July 21, 2014, 04:40:53 AM
I got attitude with you? You made a faulse and incorrect statement toward what I said-and ive got attitude? Really Gravoc.
Then you say the reason I didnt get the electromagnet to spin was because of a half ass job. The spinning magnet video was the last one, and the electromahnet test had nothing to do with spinning a magnet.it was based around the video-getting the bubbles to spin-another incorrect statement by you-along with your incorrect insult about a half ass experiment.my conclusion was 100% correct based around the experiment performed.The electromagnet in the test showed different results to that of a PM. You decide its wrong based on a device that I was not testing. Do you know how stupid that sounds-Tinman, your horse power measurements for your 4 banger are wrong, because my V8 has double that. Get this straight Gravoc-I give AND show results of devices im testing-not what you think I should be testing.
I will go back and review what was said and re-watch your videos. The problem I am having is it takes me like 1 hour to watch a 5 minute video due to a crappy internet connection. I may have also watched your videos out of order due to the high posting volume and a crappy connection. I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
Gravock
Googling "Ken Lee Wheeler" this is the link at the top of the results page.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8604
Now I know that can't be anyone we know. Quite the coincidence, though. Must be a common name.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 06:29:57 AM
Googling "Ken Lee Wheeler" this is the link at the top of the results page.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8604
Now I know that can't be anyone we know. Quite the coincidence, though. Must be a common name.
FUNNY BULLSHIT there son. But I was born in Sept. 1972
says that ugly shit is 5 foot 6. Im 6 foot
Is that your fucking tactic boy? Finding some criminal fucking thug with the (almost) same name?
My name isnt "Kenny" , son.
As anyone can see from my earliest videos made, with my face in full view,
that vile POS isnt me. If you have nothing intelligent to contribute, then shut the hell up.
You insinuate from a link that I'm some creepy criminal short hairy faced offender?
You only prove you're a demonic thug, vile sack of fecal matter willing to do anything to divert the topic OFF Magnetism and related.
My wife died 4 years ago from cancer, I took care of her dying from cancer for 10 long fucking years.
Let me lay in on the line for you son, I have an expensive lawyer (R. Mustetter), and you need to think twice about lies and slander against someone that
has BOTH the time and money to sue your goddamn ass.Clear enough? Good
Puerile springs to mind when reading most of this stuff.
The tinman's honest, the Koala loves a joke, as for most
of the rest.......well?
John.
Regarding dual homopolar counter-rotating plates. He has to have the current going opposite directions. If you put another magnet aligned the same direction near the bottom, the field would still be the same direction as the top.... he has to have the current running something like....
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 06:36:08 AM
FUNNY BULLSHIT there son. But I was born in Sept. 1972
says that ugly shit is 5 foot 6. Im 6 foot
Is that your fucking tactic boy? Finding some criminal fucking thug with the (almost) same name?
My name isnt "Kenny" , son.
As anyone can see from my earliest videos made, with my face in full view, that vile POS isnt me.
If you have nothing intelligent to contribute, then shut the hell up.
You insinuate from a link that I'm some creepy criminal short hairy faced offender? You only prove you're a demonic thug, vile sack of fecal matter willing to do anything to divert the topic OFF Magnetism and related.
My wife died 4 years ago from cancer, I took care of her dying from cancer for 10 long fucking years.
Let me lay in on the line for you son, I have an expensive lawyer (R. Mustetter), and you need to think twice about lies and slander against someone that has BOTH the time and money to sue your goddamn ass.
You seem to be forgetting what I said in my post.
Here is is again:
QuoteGoogling "Ken Lee Wheeler" this is the link at the top of the results page.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8604 (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8604)
Now I know that can't be anyone we know. Quite the coincidence, though. Must be a common name.
I put in "KEN LEE WHEELER" not "Kenny" and that is what Google served me up at the TOP of the results page. The very first link. SO maybe you can discuss with your lawyers what the definition of "slander" is, and you and them can contact GOOGLE with your complaint. I'll bet they have even more expensive lawyers than you do.
When you are talking to your expensive lawyers, be sure to show them a complete copy of this thread with all your comments, insults, slanders and libels included. Especially this last post of yours. Don't have a copy? I do.
Quote
Clear enough? Good
Would be nice to have a better illustration of these centriptetal/centrifugal fields as applies to a ring magnet instead of a single solid bar magnet structure.
Or maybe something like the poles on a hard drive magnet (attached).
A ring has a N/S all along the substance of the magnet, but as soon as you leave the surface it starts to fold down, unless you're far enough away that you still see the general pole that's on the face of that ring... Guess I'll attach that again; actually guess I'll add some more small magnets to indicate orientations...
So if a bunch of magnets are aligned so their S end is up; doesn't that make a pole up? Since other near magnets will want to orient themselves south down.
Yes you have a complex terminology that north = (ccw something) and south = (cw something) but rather than labeling the cat as 'a brown animal belonging to the family Felidae' just call it a cat. AKA; a rose by any other name would smell the same(as sweet).
You do realize I hope that not all ring magnets are polled radially. Most in fact are not, they are either polled on their faces (as in your illustration) or "by halves".
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 07:58:00 AM
You do realize I hope that not all ring magnets are polled radially. Most in fact are not, they are either polled on their faces (as in your illustration) or "by halves".
Yes; and some are multipolled like a halbach array... anything more complex than a simple bipolar body (err dipole).
Edit: although, I guess our experiences are different... diametric or half-reversed are more rare.. every ring magnet I've 'stumbled on' has been as illustrated. I've been shopping and realize there are more choices, but if I went to ebay and bought an unlabeled ring magnet, I would bet good money it would be polled through its faces consistently. Speakers and microwaves definately use that sort of magnet, and since other than generators those are the two biggest demands, I'd expect them to be the same generally.
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 05:40:31 AM
I will go back and review what was said and re-watch your videos. The problem I am having is it takes me like 1 hour to watch a 5 minute video due to a crappy internet connection. I may have also watched your videos out of order due to the high posting volume and a crappy connection. I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
Gravock
Gravoc-lets start again ,and put aside the misunderstandings. But yes,please feel free to go back and view in order(if you can with the slow internet conection),and you will see why i got uptight.
Anyway,in my test i was using a simple standard electromagnet,as pictured below. I show how there was no vortex of bubbles on the pole end of the electromagnet,and yet there was using a PM-my comment was what i observed in that test-nothing more.
Quote from: tinman on July 21, 2014, 08:31:52 AM
Anyway,in my test i was using a simple standard electromagnet,as pictured below. I show how there was no vortex of bubbles on the pole end of the electromagnet,and yet there was using a PM-my comment was what i observed in that test-nothing more.
:) I know what was wrong; you need 240V and 100A instead of just 5A :) no that looked plenty strong... would be curious if ceramic magnets were used, if it's a matter of strength.
Quote from: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 05:19:58 AM
This statement is absolutely wrong and wasn't based on any experiments you were currently doing.
Gravock
This statement is correct as far as my test showed,which were done prior to the water test. Look at the picture below of a simple homopolar motor. We can place the conducting wire(the wire that touches the magnet) from the positive of the battery in/on the north end/south end,or center of the magnet,and it will spin in the same direction.Nothing speacial,i know-just saying. Of course i know that if we flip the magnet over,it will spin in the opposite direction,as it will if we swap the voltage polarity over.And if we do both at the same time,the spin direction wont change-all this i know Gravoc. Hope that clears that up.
what if the current is only going through the axis, and not radially? (works also if it's stuck on a hanging plate, and the electrical contacts are literally on the ends)
TA quote:
A: I post this thread
B: An intelligent inventive critter like Tinman gets inspired from the info here/in the book .......to do something WHOLLY DIFFERENT
C: Holy Sh*t!!!!!!! Instant results
You left out a step there TA...finally someone catches him in a mistake (me)...we'll label that step B1.
You left out the part where you had to fight your way thru 9 yards of bullsh!t from naysayers, nitpickers, and shills (http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/msg410658/#msg410658), some of which are chronicled in my old but still relevant thread dedicated their activities...
http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/msg410658/#new (http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/msg410658/#new)
There are more than 2 paid in operation on this thread...or at least more than 2 accounts.
Chaos and flux is their method of operation...good cop-bad cop.
Regards...
Quote from: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 08:35:05 AM
:) I know what was wrong; you need 240V and 100A instead of just 5A :) no that looked plenty strong... would be curious if ceramic magnets were used, if it's a matter of strength.
I ahve tried strong PM's,and very weak PM's ,and all give the spin of bubbles at the pole end.As you seen in the video,i got no spin from the electromagnet at all-not even a slight bend.
I had intended to shoot another video tonight,but i not long got home from work. I start at 3.30 to 5am ,and finnish between 7.30 and 9.30pm.It's now 8.50pm here,so by the time i hit the shower,have some dinner,and hit the hay,it will be around 10pm-only to rise again at 3.30am. As i drive a semi for a living now(done with the workshop's and mine sites),it is very important that i get some sort of decent hours sleep. So i just aint going to make it out to the work shop tonight im afraid. Will try again tomorrow night,as i have something i want to show you all-well i hope i do anyway lol. I will be filming it live as it happens-no testing first-should be a hoot,or a compleete fail.
Were going for a full wireless fish tank motor,as a hint.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 21, 2014, 08:48:37 AM
TA quote:
A: I post this thread
B: An intelligent inventive critter like Tinman gets inspired from the info here/in the book .......to do something WHOLLY DIFFERENT
C: Holy Sh*t!!!!!!! Instant results
You left out a step there TA...finally someone catches him in a mistake (me)...we'll label that step B1.
Regards...
You catch who in what mistake?.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 08:44:10 AM
what if the current is only going through the axis, and not radially? (works also if it's stuck on a hanging plate, and the electrical contacts are literally on the ends)
The thing with doing it in water,is that the current is going in every diretion. This is why i dont think it is acting in the same manner as a homopolar motor-but lots more to learn yet,and far to early to know what is really happening.
What the hell, are you guys sleep-posting again. hahaha So much intensity and not one piece of toast was added on the table.
@TA
Thanks for your reply. I will comment in bold between your lines. Not because I am any bolder then you. hahaha
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 05:08:24 PM
I have no such video using "nails" elaborate.
Yes in this video of yours here........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWMu0cndKl4&list=UUVcxJ9k14bi__-uA1cGkEcA
Yes, of course it can be boiled down much more so. And I have future videos for that. The book which is expanding is another matter.
wattsup: """But to say this effect is the result of multi fields moving both ways, one lifting up, the other pushing down onto a geometrically uniform pattern is something that just does not click."""
That it doesnt "click" is no ERR on my behalf. Simplex lowest-pressure cross-mediation is extremely simplex.
I love being refuted actually, and I stated my purpose here many times, I have no interest in convincing anyone of anything. They can wipe their arse with the book for all it matters.
IF HOWEVER someone (has happened a few times in this thread) has something very logical and coherent to say FOR or AGAINST any point, thats always of great USE, and great BENEFIT (to myself at any rate).
A friendly DEBATE isnt an argument. I respect all parties here, but this is NOT A personality contest, its an exchange of information and ideas. Sometimes rough, sometimes Smooth.
However I dont care one way or the other about anyone's "personality", if you care about mine, well, that lay at your own feet.
I don't care about yours, I care about readers who will have a field day trying to understand via your teaching method. No problem man. No sweat off my arse either - hehehe.
wattsup: """" If the cause of the cone pattern is the magnet field pattern, then why does the cone pattern change?""""
I explain same in a future video and the 3rd edition of the book, I state outright IN the book that "much WILL and NEEDS to be expanded upon".
So lacking that further explanation you can understand my stance on this as it is explained, but I must certify that any explanation will still have to be such that it can hold against further debate.
wattsup: """""But then I read "there is no Ether in space, only space within the Ether", just cannot figure that one out.""""""
Neither can most people.
What you are stating here is an oxymoron. So if ether is everywhere, how is it not in space. May as well say there is no juice in an orange, only orange in the juice. Helloooooooooooo. Anyone home. May as well try 1 + 2 does not = 3, but 3 = 2 + 1. What part of the brain is this type of logic supposed to reside?
Polarity = Spatial = CW/CCW ...........these are the mental skr3w of human (MIS)understanding
Ultimately there is NO "polarity" in a "magnet" only field reciprocation and MOVEMENT along lowest pressure gradients, of which FIELDS in their instantaneous attributional creation, generates the ATTRIBUTE OF SPACE , that being polarization.
Chains of causation:
1. Field(s)
2. space
3. polarization
However, logically one can say that 2 and 3 are co-eternal
Space is an attribute of a FIELD, there are no "fields in space", only SPACE as an attribute, and posterior (in creation) from FIELDS.
This is voodoo science man. Space is an attribute of a field, then you say there are no fields in space. What you are actually saying here is without a field, there is no space, and, there are no fields in space. I think the only way to understand this is after a good old lobotomy.
You are going to have to slice this up in more serveable portions.
This is why Einstein was a mental midget, he REIFIED the attribute of FIELDS , that being SPACE as "something" that "does things" and "acts on things"
Look, forget about Einstein, him being a joker is no help for anyone trying to understand your logic and failing that, you may wind up in the same room as him. Is that what you want?
wattsup: """"My main stance is ether is everywhere. In space, in atoms, in magnetism, in action at a distance, in everything man. So where is this "no ether in space" """"
Then you SHOULD HAVE ALREADY deduced from this fact that you are swimming IN fields upon fields WITHIN fields and other fields upon fields upon fields.
Why should I deduce anything about ether and the field. The field you talk about is what for you? The only field I recognize is the field produced by ether onto any energized object. But that field is totally useless for our purposes. All fields are totally useless because they are only the after effect of a genuine energisation.
The Aether/Ether is NO-where (in space), Where, or GREEK TOPOS or "Khora" the "where" is as pertains TO space, AS posterior to any and all fields.
"look at the wide open spaces!!" (said the goof standing IN A FIELD (Khora) ...)
Youre talking about the baby before the mother (fields). ;D There is no space without a field, Space is POSTERIOR to any and all fields, either in simplex, OR compounded.
There is no "Ether in space", Space is POSTERIOR to ANY and ALL fields. Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko proves this (however he doesnt grasp the implications) in his books.
Why do you keep saying Space is posterior to any and all fields, when space is unconditional, is certainly not posterior to anything since everything needs space and otherwise how can ether be everywhere without having the space to be everywhere? The fields you are talking are furts in a windstorm compared to space and ether. They should not even be equated with the ether since ether is the prime.
The field you infer over the magnet is turning in a spin that is spinning air bubbles. Air bubble is not a field but a physical limitation that cannot be used as a sure fire method to establish what you are purporting, since without the upward momentum of bubble buoyancy, the experiment would not be possible and if you are purporting a vortex on top of the magnet you are right, but the energy is now coming from the bubble rise itself which is often in a spiral. Saturate a water volume with micro bubbles so these stay fixed in their buoyancy to stay put, remove all other objects then put your magnet inside at 1" or 2" above the base with one pole up and see if the bubbles start vortexing ON THEIR OWN.
For me, what does a magnet do? It sticks well to other magnets and metals and copper loves it for the electro therapy. hehehe You are giving this magnet super skills when all it wants to be is a simple magnet. This may blow your mind but for me, every magnet is a mini-planet with its own gravity. Put ferrofluid on it and the metal ions will arrange themselves in cones because of the fluid viscosity gives it a high liquid surface tension that can hold over small metal ion mounds to produce the points of the cones. The points of the cones you see are probably 90% fluid with only ultra small metal ions. It has nothing to do with field input/output over/under or beside. It's a planet but its not Planet Earth with a huge furnace roaring up our ass. It's a magnetic planet and not a real planet but it has its own gravity.
You see my friend, only too described forces cause attraction. Our present notions that we have endowed to magnets and gravity. But what if the magnet was also gravity in action. That would clarify so many misconceptions, even your own.
Put it this way. Let's say you had a one cubic yard of Solid Hardwood and a one cubic yard Neo Magnet and a one cubic yard of AAA Beef, all three well encased in a non conductive but very strong protective layer, flown out to space and shot out into space at let's say 1/50th the speed of light. In 10 years, which of the three will survive but more importantly grow in mass? That big fat neo will have how much more magnetic appeal to swing around planets and attract other matter, more then the others? hahaha. You see your big fat 6" neo you purchased is actually a small polarized planet. You can add small metal shaped houses and anything you want and when you move the magnet, all of those objects will move with it, right side up, upside down all those objects will be like they are on their own planet. Only when you break their bond will they leave the planet otherwise they will be stuck on that planet forever. Hmmmmmmm. Sound familiar? As soon as you can do what a magnet does, you become a micro-planet. Like any planet, its maximum gravity pull really starts close to its surface. The value of the field outside that close quarters is peanuts compared to the real coupling potential close up.
The magnet does not need to produce anything more then gravity and gravity should not be producing flying fields like you say and gravity will explain ever single effect we have ever seen done with a magnet plus it will explain why thus far we have not reached OU with our magnets.
The screen shots of magnetic fields is showing what? The patterns we see on the screen are not from the magnet. What is a screen? How does it work? What you are showing is the screens' inability to cope in maintaining its actual image when a strong magnetic force is placed smack dab next to the pixels, because the screen would require gyroscopic pixels to compensate for the warpage instead of regular pixels as we know them. The pixelated screen is just reacting from every angle of each pixel to produce the patterns. SO WHAT? Does not mean anything about the magnet itself is just a mass of gravity. It's the screen that can't handle it so it squeezes in them patterns. Again, big deal. Forget those screens man. Don't take them too seriously and I surely would not build a theory of everything around them. hehehe
If you made a cubic screen and put a cubic magnet inside, all you would get is black. Other then that what you see on the screen is not what is emitted by the magnet in the patterns you state. How the hell do you expect an object like a magnet that was produced via grand randomness to then produce patterns that are totally symetrical, balanced, etc. The symmetry comes from the screen man and not from the magnet. The magnet only does one thing, attracts metalic or charged substances. That's it, that's all. So you have to be careful man, when you start one theory, then another, then another all based on what? Screens & bubbles. Wow, you will have to do much better then that. I think thus far, I am giving you more then you are giving me. I am sure those who read this will know what I am talking about. I have to say this magnet/gravity was just realized last night so this is fresh off the brainworks and I have you to thank for it because this one part of....... call it "Magnetry" was simmering in the back burner for months now. This was the missing link to explain Spin Conveyance (look it up and you will find nothing - why?).
You said it yourself. Magnet comes from magic and your theory is imparting even more magic. You have managed to over complicate the magnet when the main reason for a theory is to remove the complications otherwise construed as reality.
Ultimately, we will realize that magnetism does not exist and this will again simplify our view of the universe.
@TA, what I am getting from your writings is a patchwork of ideas with endless repetition, no cohesion, and lots more repetition but no real talking. Come down off your grand dissertations and talk normal for a week, then go back to your way if you want. Your book could be downloaded and read, but the main question is who will understand them? Look in the mirror cause you are the only one who does. No one here can even entertain 1/10 of all the crap you put out, but no, we are the problem. Quit sucking on your silver spoon and start a normal discourse, don't use any of your regular lines or words, find new ones, otherwise I see this type of logic will go nowhere. It is chock full of contradictions and will not hold against so many types of valid objections.
I'll stop here for now.
@tinman
Please do not take my suggestions as any form of critique of your experiments. When a theory is based on an effect, without acknowledging all the other mitigating factors, it does not do the theory or anyone justice. Call it selective rationalization.
wattsup
@ wattsup Quote: Please do not take my suggestions as any form of critique of your experiments. When a theory is based on an effect, without acknowledging all the other mitigating factors, it does not do the theory or anyone justice. Call it selective rationalization.
Well you know me,i make statements regarding results from my own test. I also post those test by way of video,so as everyone else can see what im seeing. In saying this,it will be hard to show the vortex spin within a PM-if it is there. I know what all the books say,but there are also books that say there is a vortex spin with PM's. So the only way to know for sure,is to look for this spin,and find a good way to show it.
Im also having fun along the way lol.
Quote from: tinman on July 21, 2014, 08:59:07 AM
You catch who in what mistake?.
Well, TA of course...who wlse ?
He's is/was the only one (besides me) who hadn't made 1 or 3 in this thread.
*takes humble bow with toes pointed inward*
Regards...
Quote from Captain Zero:
QuoteThere are more than 2 paid in operation on this thread
I am asking people reading this thread to denounce this type of behaviour. It's unacceptable and smacks of the 1930s. Shall people that argue the technical merits of a proposition wear a special symbol on our clothing?
Captain Zero knows zero about me in real life and he fails to look at propositions in an unbiased manner. He often ignores the reprehensible forum behaviour of people putting forth dubious or outright ridiculous propositions if he (mistakenly) believes they have merit, even if they are jaw-droppingly ridiculous, and I am not being specific to this thread. The reality is that sometimes propositions are put forth that someone with basic common sense and no technical skills and education would recognize as being false.
The fact that Captain Zero would even suspect that there are paid operatives here to rebut simplistic or ridiculous propositions that don't make any sense says much about Captain Zero and nothing about the person promoting the false proposition or the person rebutting the false proposition with logical arguments.
Again, I am asking people to publicly denounce this kind of behaviour. It is simply unacceptable and he should not be allowed to get away with it.
MileHigh
GRAVITYBLOCK YOU SIR ARE RIGHT ! NOW SPIN THE FOIL ! DIALETRIC INERTHIA WHAT A LOAD OF TRIPE ! ALL THE LOOK AT ME I AM SO GOOD AND THAN THE BLIND SPOT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ..... IN MY BOOK NEITHER WILL SPIN IN A ZERO G ENVIRNMENT ...
You are all 50% RIGHT AND THE REST IS GOBBLDYGOUK NONSENSE ,,,,,, GO WRITE A BOOK ABOUT A BLIND MAN AND A PET MAGNET HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH SO YOU THINK THE ANGLE OF SPINNING WATER GOING DOWN A HOLE IS DUE TO A DIALECTRIC HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA OK OOOOOOHHHHHH NOOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
SILLY MONKEY HAHAHAHAHAH NICE BOOK HAHAHAHAH BUT IT ANINT WORTH A PEANUT !!!!! You wrote a book on the whim and some out of date data and you wont the world to believe it yet you can not prove it as it is wrong . You cant even make an indirect experiment to give the stupid theory and gravity hahahahahah OH THE GRAVITY OF IT HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH NO BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT GRAVITY IS DO YOU ITS SPACE TIME CURITURE NOT A DIALETRIC YOU BUMBLLING MONKEY GO BACK TO THE STUPID SCHOOL AND CRY OUT THE WORDS YUMMYBUMBEERLYIMADEASILLYHUBBALYTUMBERLY HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA NOW YOU WANT TO REINVENT GRAVITY AS A DIALETRIC FORCE Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah !!!
So its me the one who can crush every rock you throw until you find its gravity .. WARNING TO ALL HUMANITY DONT LISTEN TO A DIALETRIC GRAVITY THEORY ITS NUTS ...... AND SO FAR WRONG THAT THE WORD WRONG IS THE WRONG WORD FOR IT ..
Now you guys stop the little boy games all the insults the twisting of science contrived twitter twatter bull .........................................
Do you want the proof here and now and stand totally ashamed embraced with only an ideology that is outside the excepted rules of physics and what about the man himself old albert the one who worked it all out .. Oh no you just want to take him on in the hope your have a brain better than him . Did old albert ever write in the manner that I have been reading when submitting he's work ? Is there one sentence written by the grate man that is vindictive to anyone that said he was wrong ???? NO ... I am saddened by this childish pathetic scuba bling bing bong .... I came here to read and write science ! So far all I can ready is stupidity wrapped up in attempt to make your egos enflamed by your so called intelligence !
Now list to me ! I have a device that measure's space time curvature and the so called diametric of the earth they have the same vector because the dielectric constant follows gravity ... But the dielectric field will never go down a plug hole or ever spin a magnet without gravity .... Take away gravity and you lose the dielectric effect .. !!!!! YOU SILLY MONKEYS !!!!
ME
I know nothing of this character in real life...just another desperate delusionary distortion put forward to try to salvage self destroyed credibility.
He/she/it/they have been outed by other members besides me for incessantly preventing the development of many ideas up for discussion, because it is well known that that is how other things are discovered.
This important dialogue process was proven out again yesterday in an experiment conducted by TinMan, in this thread, inspired by a very persistent Theo, who endured 9 yards of Sh!t flung in his path by the MH entity and his cohorts.
That never would have happened if he had given up in frustration, as so many before him had done.
Facts are facts.
Case proven and rested.
So much for his being "done" in this thread...his word is no good either.
Regards...
Quote from: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 07:55:05 AM
Would be nice to have a better illustration of these centriptetal/centrifugal fields as applies to a ring magnet instead of a single solid bar magnet structure.
Modelling compounded magnets is:
A: a pain in the ass
B: its hard enough showing (not meaning you)
weak minded ass-scratching monkeys how a NORMAL magnet works, ..........ergo no need (at this time) to complicate it for their squishy little brians
Quote from: tinman on July 21, 2014, 08:39:38 AM
This statement is correct as far as my test showed,which were done prior to the water test. Look at the picture below of a simple homopolar motor. We can place the conducting wire(the wire that touches the magnet) from the positive of the battery in/on the north end/south end,or center of the magnet,and it will spin in the same direction.Nothing speacial,i know-just saying. Of course i know that if we flip the magnet over,it will spin in the opposite direction,as it will if we swap the voltage polarity over.And if we do both at the same time,the spin direction wont change-all this i know Gravoc. Hope that clears that up.
Without going into great detail, your diagram (glad you posted it for others to see) shows on the simplex homopolar motor, the circuit BETWEEN the centripetal on a magnet AND the dielectric inertial plane (along the equator OF ANY AND ALL MAGNETS).
WHICH, in so doing, is "cutting" the flowing centrifugal magnetism (the 'sourced' [i explain this in detail in the book]) "genuine" magnetism)
;)
See pics below RED is centripetal (CONvergent) returning magnetism)
green is the inertial plane of dielectricity
BLUE is the centrifugal magnetism
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 21, 2014, 08:48:37 AM
You left out the part where you had to fight your way thru 9 yards of bullsh!t from naysayers, nitpickers, and shills (http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/msg410658/#msg410658), some of which are chronicled in my old but still relevant thread dedicated their activities...
Too true, ALAS, unfortunate for "THEM", as someone madly skilled at ancient Greek dialectic and the Greek platonic method of
"seeing thru skepticism, fallacies and subversive bullshit" they haven't seen the likes of me before.
If they want to tangle, Id rather just stick to the topic, ....but if they want, I will, figuratively,.........dance on their little pin heads, and piss on their guts.
Quote from: tinman on July 21, 2014, 09:02:49 AM
The thing with doing it in water,is that the current is going in every direction.
yes and no, DUE to the magneto-dielectric 'electrical geometry' of the NEO, the current is directed ('attracted at the points of') at >>> both ends centripetally and along the inertial plane<<<, ....
........AT WHICH TIME you are getting CENTRIFUGAL divergent acceleration
(resultantly however, of course, ....out of the ENTIRE magnet), but said divergent motion (and resultant movement) is driving the CW and CCW motion of the ENTIRE magnet.
But as per the attractive point (on the magneto-dielectric geometry of the magnet) OF THE ENTIRE COLLECTIVE charge in the water........directed to same, regardless of where (as seen in your VID) you place the cathode or anode
;) :) :)
At last some fresh air all that EGO and a daft empty attempt to re-write the law of truth the TERM DIALETRIC INERTSHIA IS NOW A DODO HAHAHA !!! But the term space time curvature is what give directional force to the effect and that is gravity !! Try this trick with the magnet in a zero g environment like space and it can not work no gravity no spin on the magnet . But this is not about a magnet its about a magnetic vortex and I must say that is interesting and the more I think about it the more interesting it gets .
One experiments I made a few years ago was a simple study with small 3 inch ferrite magnets 12 in a ring 5 stacked up at each point with a single magnet and a counter weight spinning ! The gap between each stack started at 5 inches after each try I positioned the stacks closer until on the 5th try they were all touching . There is and opposing forces between each stack so I had to tape them closer each try .. When I got to the 5th turn and the stacks were all touching something strange happened and I wrote it down as a field burst where a release of flux spread all over the room and the magnets lost the ability to attract the armature . I had to take each stack and isolate them for 4 hours for the field to return to normal .
After that I started to work with opposing and iron that had a 2.2 degree curvature and to my surprise a field bubble was created over the iron which grew slowly. When stopped I taped strongly with a small hammer and the bubble burst but would not re-grow in the same spot on the ground where the experiment had taken place .. I had to move the experiment 4 meters away before the bubble grew again !
I monitored the position of each experiment and noticed that a full cycle of the moon had to pass before a bubble could be set up in the same spot .. The term magnetic vortex may have some truth to it but not while the magnet is still in the same position so in simple terms you make the vortex and than you have to move away the apparatus leavening behind an invisible vortex ! This system is also a very good way to measure gravity and is obvious as in every position to ground you make the experiment the size and strength of the bubble is different ..
Sorry if my English gram her is not in the American style or if my writing is simply simple its just that my observations of the universe are relatively simple ! I never paint with words and only build with mathematics ! The follow on from this work was to build a device to confirm the dielectric constant and its relationship with gravity to that I mastered many things including particle physics . I now build zero point generators for private clients and continue to study the elusive graviton . The main problem with all things zero point or over unity is that the physics is not academic its science for anyone with an interest in such things and the out of date world of academics is falling behind very fast. Knowledge is fact over fiction nothing else its not a personal encounter or should it ever be and those that cloud it with there ability to blind themselves with deluded words and half measured effects should let go and build a house to see what it would look like if they don't use a door to enter it . The truth is inside that is where the home of truth lives not on the roof or in a flower basket hanging pretty on the out side so please keep the facts flowing into the house of truth and through the door of reality and knowledge.
Now that is enough of poetry ! which one of you will confirm with me a real magnetic vortex ????? or are you all just pretending to experiment ???
ME
Quote from: wattsup on July 21, 2014, 09:03:39 AM
What the hell, are you guys sleep-posting again. hahaha So much intensity and not one piece of toast was added on the table.
wattsup: """""But then I read "there is no Ether in space, only space within the Ether", just cannot figure that one out.""""""
Neither can most people.
What you are stating here is an oxymoron. So if ether is everywhere, how is it not in space. May as well say there is no juice in an orange, only orange in the juice. Helloooooooooooo. Anyone home. May as well try 1 + 2 does not = 3, but 3 = 2 + 1. What part of the brain is this type of logic supposed to reside?
Its only oxymoronic in your own mind, which is no fault of mine. Great detail of this is made in the 3rd edition, just as I had planned to do.
Yes, there are NO "fields in space", only space as a posterior attribute.
You, like MOST people, have reified the attribute as the medium (as Einstein and other did)
or rather reified the resultant as the causative.
There is ALSO a "big goddamn reason" that the number 4 (Xaos / space) doesnt exist in the golden section 1 1 2 3 5 8 13........ (Oh hell, where is 4????)
Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenkos own formulas PROVE beyond ANY SHADOW of a doubt that space is unreal, AND posterior to fields.
Tesla said the SAME GODDAMN THING........... Space 'as something' that 'does things' or 'acts upon things' is pure 100% REIFIED Horse plop.
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 03:08:58 PM
At last some fresh air all that EGO and a daft empty attempt to re-write the law of truth the TERM DIALETRIC INERTSHIA IS NOW A DODO HAHAHA !!! But the term space time curvature is what give directional force to the effect and that is gravity !!
You are confusing 2 WHOLLY diff terms
dielectric and dialectic !!!!! ROFL
There is NO "space time curvature" these are FIELD pressure curvatures ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are, as most are, reifying the POSTERIOR ATTRIBUTE of fields, that being space AS the Principle.......its NOT. Tesla and Heaviside BOTH SAID THIS
See appendix A, vol 1 of Heaviside "ELECTROMAGNETIC THEORY" its at the END of Vol 1.
Dielectricity terminates INTO/AS mass creation in galactic and stellar formation JUST as electricity terminates into magnetism. So, wrong again.
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 03:08:58 PMThere is and opposing forces between each stack so I had to tape them closer each try .. When I got to the 5th turn and the stacks were all touching something strange happened and I wrote it down as a field burst where a release of flux spread all over the room and the magnets lost the ability to attract the armature . I had to take each stack and isolate them for 4 hours for the field to return to normal .
Great, you discovered the dielectric inertial plane. Hurray. Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 03:08:58 PM
I monitored the position of each experiment and noticed that a full cycle of the moon had to pass before a bubble could be set up in the same spot .
Yes, thats because dielectricity and gravity are linked in ways I WILL NOT EXPLAIN HERE
But they are linked in the same fashion as Electricity is to magnetism. Congrats on finding that out (so did I , a looong time ago)
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 03:08:58 PM
Now that is enough of poetry ! which one of you will confirm with me a real magnetic vortex ????? or are you all just pretending to experiment ???.
I AM and HAVE BEEN experimenting my ass off.
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Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 01:39:17 PM
DIALETRIC INERTIA WHAT A LOAD OF TRIPE
Tell that to Tesla, Steinmetz, Heaviside, JC Maxwell ALL of which refer to >>>>>>>dielectric inertia <<<<<<<
EVEN IN many modern electrical engineering texts, dielectricity is called "ELECTRICAL INERTIA"
You're refuted, little boy. ;D ;D Proving 100% , you know JACK, have READ JACK, and are full of it.
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 03:08:58 PM
Try this trick with the magnet in a zero g environment like space and it can not work no gravity no spin on the magnet
Let me correct your insane stupidity here
. NO HUMAN EVER has been in a "Zero G" environment.
You are confusing
EXTREMELY VELOCITY in a ZERO-DRAG low earth orbit (= PLENTY OF GRAVITY) with "Zero gravity"
The "former" space shuttle didn't "rocket back to earth" fool, .... it decelerates from nozzles which places it on a return trajectory to earth.
Im even pretty fucking sure there is gravity even AT THE POINT of Pluto........... yeah, thats the case.
drats, foiled again!!! ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 02:44:33 PM
Modelling compounded magnets is:
A: a pain in the ass
B: its hard enough showing (not meaning you) weak minded ass-scratching monkeys how a NORMAL magnet works, ..........ergo no need (at this time) to complicate it for their squishy little brians
Wow TA, do you see anything in your response that would be construed by most as arrogance and condescension?
Personally, I find some of what you have to say intriguing (as I do most non-conventional theories), but I have yet to see or read anything that I would consider as "Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex". To the contrary, most of the "proofs" you have presented can have alternate and quite conventional explanations. The "proof" would be in ruling out these alternate more conventional explanations through additional experiments devised specifically for that purpose (null experiments).
All seasoned experimentalists learn that when an experiment provides a non-conventional result, or produces a result in apparent agreement with a non-conventional hypothesis, the real work has only just begun. It is the multitude of experiments that follow, devised to disprove that positive result, that bring one much closer to the truth. All too often we see individuals way too eager to accept the first positive experimental result as proof of something, without the required due diligence performed by those experimentalists to prove themselves wrong.
I am, however, intrigued by the results observed in Tinman's spinning/non-spinning bubbles experiment using a PM and EM. So much so that I have already considered a dozen or so null experiments that may or may not provide further support for the proposed magnetic vortex theory. If this were a more rational thread with cooler heads, discussing those experiments might actually be a pleasant and productive expenditure of time.
However, when individuals guard their belief systems with the fervor of religious fanaticism and cast aside more conventional technical and scientific responses with, or in concert with, condescension, arrogance, demeaning tones and accusations of being a shill, further discussion can only be an unpleasant and non-productive waste of time.
There really is no need for it. A sound theory should be able to stand on its own without all the emotional tripe.
As my schedule allows, I hope to perform additional experiments I have considered regarding Tinman's spinning bubbles.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 21, 2014, 03:46:21 PM
Wow TA, do you see anything in your response that would be construed by most as arrogance and condescension?
If you dont like my personality, fine, dont really care. This isnt a HOOKER trying to win a "pretty contest" OK?
Quote from: picowatt on July 21, 2014, 03:46:21 PM
, but I have yet to see or read anything that I would consider as "Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex". To the contrary, most of the "proofs" you have presented can have alternate and quite conventional explanations. The "proof" would be in ruling out these alternate more conventional explanations through additional experiments devised specifically for that purpose (null experiments).
Good, Im glad you are blind, HOWEVER I have 9 diff. testing methods to write and make videos on. Dont give a damn what you believe.
Quote from: picowatt on July 21, 2014, 03:46:21 PM
All seasoned experimentalists learn that when an experiment provides a non-conventional result.
Nice classical Greek skepticism, now go PISS OFF and experiment yourself son. "non conventional" my goddamn ass.
I experiment, examine, use logic and retroduction...... Pedal your Greek Skepticism DOWN THE ROAD
Many people for long time have observed vortex divergent and convergent patterns.
Quote from: picowatt on July 21, 2014, 03:46:21 PM
As my schedule allows, I hope to perform additional experiments I have considered regarding Tinman's spinning bubbles.
GOOD, go experiment, and stop flapping your lips.......Im in the middle of more experiments myself.
Perhaps a more respectful setting
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2560.msg40484#msg40484 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2560.msg40484#msg40484)
At the very least I will keep track of relevant work as well as some fresh ideas that Grum wants to play with [mercury and gravity]
thx
Chet
Quote from: MileHigh on July 21, 2014, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from Captain Zero:
I am asking people reading this thread to denounce this type of behaviour. It's unacceptable and smacks of the 1930s. Shall people that argue the technical merits of a proposition wear a special symbol on our clothing?
Captain Zero knows zero about me in real life and he fails to look at propositions in an unbiased manner. He often ignores the reprehensible forum behaviour of people putting forth dubious or outright ridiculous propositions if he (mistakenly) believes they have merit, even if they are jaw-droppingly ridiculous, and I am not being specific to this thread. The reality is that sometimes propositions are put forth that someone with basic common sense and no technical skills and education would recognize as being false.
The fact that Captain Zero would even suspect that there are paid operatives here to rebut simplistic or ridiculous propositions that don't make any sense says much about Captain Zero and nothing about the person promoting the false proposition or the person rebutting the false proposition with logical arguments.
Again, I am asking people to publicly denounce this kind of behaviour. It is simply unacceptable and he should not be allowed to get away with it.
MileHigh
I would have to second this. Just because some one dosnt agree with the posted theories and thought's of other's,in no way means that there some sort of paid operative.
Quote from: ramset on July 21, 2014, 04:47:19 PM
Perhaps a more respectful setting
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2560.msg40484#msg40484 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2560.msg40484#msg40484)
At the very least I will keep track of relevant work as well as some fresh ideas that Grum wants to play with [mercury and gravity]
thx
Chet
My very first words on this thread were Quote: This thread should be a HOOT to follow.
And a hoot it has been lol. Lots more to come i suspect 8)
GOOD LUCK TO ALL WITH MAGNETIC VORTEXING HAHA TRY AND CALM DOWN AND YOU MIGHT GET WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR . But what purpose would it have ? mmmmmm A worm hole hahahahah the interesting thing is a magnetic field for a ferrite magnet is different than a neo magnet as its field is lose . If you place two opposing ferrite magnets together and tape them tight in 21 days 50% of the field is lost and must go somewhere ? It could merge with the earths magnetic field or ???? This to me is one way to isolate a field of flux away from a magnet and also ghosts are said to produce magnetic like vortexes it would be fun to trap one of them in some water and spin them to see what happens hahahahah Or you could try and make a vortex with the earths magnet field let it grow connect it to the ionosphere and ???? mmmm no I cant say what that would do ... Looks like the ghost idea is the best one and I really mean it ... haha boooo hahaha lol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 06:01:34 PM
GOOD LUCK TO ALL WITH MAGNETIC VORTEXING HAHA TRY AND CALM DOWN AND YOU MIGHT GET WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR . But what purpose would it have ? mmmmmm A worm hole hahahahah the interesting thing is a magnetic field for a ferrite magnet is different than a neo magnet as its field is lose . If you place two opposing ferrite magnets together and tape them tight in 21 days 50% of the field is lost and must go somewhere ? It could merge with the earths magnetic field or ???? This to me is one way to isolate a field of flux away from a magnet and also ghosts are said to produce magnetic like vortexes it would be fun to trap one of them in some water and spin them to see what happens hahahahah Or you could try and make a vortex with the earths magnet field let it grow connect it to the ionosphere and ???? mmmm no I cant say what that would do ... Looks like the ghost idea is the best one and I really mean it ... haha boooo hahaha lol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
It would seem you are here to do nothing more than disrupt the thread with childish rubbish. Others may argue over what they see as being correct,but you just post rubbish :D
try EF-there always chasing ghost. Hell-you may even be able to write a book,and make some cash over there.
Tin man I am glad I got your attention sorry about the child in me but I was not joking about magnetic vortex with a ghost field in fact all orbs are reported to spin with magnetic flux faster than the speed of light and to that it is very interesting ! You have to look at every angle to find a way forward and I did not direct my post at anyone .
If such a vortex could be man made as a spinning MF at the speed of light it would change the face of humanity over night ! SO A BIT OF HUMA IS NEEDED ! or its just a hell raiser all the way ! The information I have on it is worthy to consider but a permanent magnet is not going to do the trick . In fact since my last post I built a small field coil that would spin a magnetic field without the coil moving . Now that is worth a lot of money but since you are the inspiration for it I will let you chose what to do with it ? If that did include making some money out of it than don't forget me hahah .....
I fully respect what you have brought forward at least its not the same old tech you keep reading about but the last set of arguments here on the so called dielectric inertia effect were very heavy and beyond school boy mentality I found it disturbing ... So please except my apologies and my hat is off to you sir ! SO WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO WITH THE SAID MAGIC COIL ????? LOL XX
PicoWatt, Tinman, and Ramset:
Thanks for your support. I am not here to talk tech on this borderline-insane thread, just to thank you and add a comment.
When Captain Zero accuses me of being a "paid operative" I will remind him that he has AIDS. That's Advanced Intelligence Deficiency Syndrome. That would seem to be an appropriate thing to do for someone that is like Charlie Brown about to kick the proverbial football one more time.
MileHigh
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 06:01:34 PM
. If you place two opposing ferrite magnets together and tape them tight in 21 days 50% of the field is lost and must go somewhere ?
It isnt LOST, the incommensurate
magneto-dielectric geometry is DESTROYED
Same way (MUCH HARDER) to destroy ANY NEO magnet, son, extreme heat, breaking etc etc.
GOOD LOGICAL QUESTION.......Ferrites ARE the weak trash magnets.
The hexagonal Neo Fe Boron however in their lattice structure hold the dielectric charge BETTER and STRONGER (obviously).
Ferrites taped together WILL 'self destruct their magneto-dielectric geometry
Using my GIANT 6" by 2" NEO, I can (see my videos)
REVERSE the polarity on ANY CHEAPO FERRITE in exactly 3 seconds!!!!!!Want another video of this????
ILL MAKE ONE TONIGHT!!!
The video will be very obvious with markings, and you will see it for yourself
Ill make that video and post it in a bit , hour or so.......... ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 07:17:12 PM
arguments here on the so called dielectric inertia effect were very heavy and beyond school boy mentality I found it disturbing
I can prove the dielectric inertial plane at LEAST 20 diff ways, with 15 diff testing media.
So, you are, alas FULL OF SHIT on that point. However, SEE ABOVE POST, I will post a video proving that point here in a couple hours.
Tesla, Heaviside, Steinmetz, JC Maxwell ALL KNEW and referred to dielectricity in this manner, AND Heaviside ( you smarter than him boy? are you ??) called dielectricity "electrical inertia"
TODAY electrical engineering texts ALSO (some do) call dielectricity "electrical inertia"So, shove that up your ass sideways, ok?
It would seem the magnetic vortex is following the right hand rule, if your thumb is pointing in the north direction the field is running in the direction of your fingers.
As far as the north being ccw and south being cw that is just the observers perspective.
Spin a wheel ccw look at it from the top then the bottom you will notice from the top the wheel spins ccw but from the bottom cw, like I said its just perspective the fields direction hasnt changed.
Magnets causing spin is not anything new, magnetron's use this phenomenon to spin electrons given of by heated thorium in the resonant chamber.
Quote from: Dave45 on July 21, 2014, 07:50:57 PM
It would seem the magnetic vortex is following the right hand rule, if your thumb is pointing in the north direction the field is running in the direction of your fingers.
As far as the north being ccw and south being cw that is just the observers perspective.
Nope, read the book, EACH "side" has 2 diff. Vortex, centripetal, and centrifugal.
also see video on same here, (at the last half of the video)>>>>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxmP6VYCCbs
OH DEAR YOU GUYS HAVE LOST THE POINT AND STILL REVERT TO THE DAM DIAELECTRIC EFFECT ! Than the abuse hahahah stop it now ! The term vortex is what interests me not the dielectric effect and sorry but all you have read on the subject is bubble and squeak rubbish .... Anyway stick to the point a magnetic vortex one that spins independently from a magnet ... And that is very special indeed so much so I decided to make it happen ! I will call it the ghost bubble because the only magnetic vortex ever recorded as an independent field is an orb and yes a ghost orb ... So this will go into the paranormal realm of an un mapped effect in physics . So please throw away your tex books and all the dielectric theories . SO now than hahahah lets see what your really made off ? Probably tex book bubble gum and do noughts ...
I have my method and am willing to share it but tin man has the last word its hes inspiration but I warn you if the vortex or ghost bubble is made than the art of how to send mass into another dimension would be achieved . But not with insults and as I have stated the dielectric effect could not spin a magnet in space where there is very little gravity so to prove that the dam magnet needs to go into space and I would be proved right .... hahahahahah you bunch of monkeys hahahahhahaha lol xxx
ME
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 08:15:15 PM
OH DEAR YOU GUYS HAVE LOST THE POINT AND STILL REVERT TO THE DAM DIAELECTRIC EFFECT ! Than the abuse hahahah stop it now ! The term vortex is what interests me not the dielectric effect
Too BAD, You are saying:
"I am only interested in ICE (vortex magnetism), not water (dielectricity) " ROFL !!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
patheticDielectric (you spelled it wrong, dufus) is what is 'driving' the magnetism BOY . magnetism NOWHERE exists ON ITS OWN
RIGHT NOW, I just made a VIDEO FOR YOU, UPLOADING IT NOW..
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_PSYIeLKs
I reverse the polarity on a SPHERE magnet 1" (big one) over and over and over again. Even has some humorous bits in it, but very informative. I made it JUST FOR YOU son ;D
I JUST GOT THIS PRIVATE MESSAGE FROM 93RD
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 08:15:15 PM
I AM MUCH SMARTER THAN ALL OF THEM (tesla, steinmetz, heaviside) PUT TOGETHER ! This is the year 2014 not 1896 ! It is time for you to let go of the old school and not all theories can be proved or disproved but truth is forever expending they said you could never go beyond the speed of light and now there wrong they should of studied the people that time travel in there dreams .
Tell me folks, anyone here DUMB enough to claim you yourself are "SMARTER than the guys who invented the entire modern worlds system of AC electricity (which you are using right now) and electrical theory "
.......as 93RD did above in a private PM? Children, children....... ;D ;D
((((waiting to see 93RD patents)))) No?
Yeah, talk is cheaper than dog poo.
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 07:17:12 PM
Tin man I am glad I got your attention sorry about the child in me but I was not joking about magnetic vortex with a ghost field in fact all orbs are reported to spin with magnetic flux faster than the speed of light and to that it is very interesting ! You have to look at every angle to find a way forward and I did not direct my post at anyone .
If such a vortex could be man made as a spinning MF at the speed of light it would change the face of humanity over night ! SO A BIT OF HUMA IS NEEDED ! or its just a hell raiser all the way ! The information I have on it is worthy to consider but a permanent magnet is not going to do the trick . In fact since my last post I built a small field coil that would spin a magnetic field without the coil moving . Now that is worth a lot of money but since you are the inspiration for it I will let you chose what to do with it ? If that did include making some money out of it than don't forget me hahah .....
I fully respect what you have brought forward at least its not the same old tech you keep reading about but the last set of arguments here on the so called dielectric inertia effect were very heavy and beyond school boy mentality I found it disturbing ... So please except my apologies and my hat is off to you sir ! SO WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO WITH THE SAID MAGIC COIL ????? LOL XX
It has already been proven with peer reviewed experiments that a spinning magnetic vortices do actually travel faster than light. This is common knowledge for anyone actually studying physics and has been proven many times in math.
I've already posted on here the confirmed speed was 64c. 64x the speed of light.
Quote from: john_doe on July 21, 2014, 09:47:00 PM
It has already been proven with peer reviewed experiments that a spinning magnetic vortices do actually travel faster than light.
True, OF which the math (from Tesla and Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko) is further compounded proof as per my premise that there is no such thing as " a field IN space"
rather space as a posterior attribute OF fields.
IAAD (instant action at a distance) , which is WELL confirmed, but not grasped by the Cult of Quantum is that fields are always acting instantly or near instantly (in interection and interplay) far far far faster than light.
See this video on same, its both dead SERIOUS and HILARIOUS !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTwBVgZw
Quote from: tinman on July 21, 2014, 05:18:16 PM
I would have to second this. Just because some one dosnt agree with the posted theories and thought's of other's,in no way means that there some sort of paid operative.
TinMan you may be smart in some way but very gullible in others...you have just been taken by that intellectual parasite.
Now you must ask yourself why I didn't jump all over GB also ?
The reason is because he was merely disagreeing with a guy who can hold his own.
Not so for MH's victims...they just disappear before the dialogue can get started.
This of course prevents the possibility of something else of significance being discovered...in much the same way your discovery happened...which would never have happened is Theo wasn't tough as nails, and left the forum disgusted.
That is why I continually harp on just leaving people be...you never know what could develop.
And that is why it is wise to never pass up the opportunity to shut up.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 21, 2014, 10:06:09 PM
Regards...
"Discover, invent, experiment, learn, study, understand, show,........everyone else NOT doing that can shut up or get the hell out of the way of those that DO" -
(my own quote) ;)
The downside of GENUINE discovery (sometimes) is getting RESULTS, but screwing up the conclusions of the observations of the results.
(proving even a broken clock is accurate 2 times a day) ;D ;D
As did the mental midget Einstein who ...
A: Reified space as something that "did things", and worse, got most other people to BELIEVE in that bullshit..............and :
B: got an award for getting results from his "photoelectric effect" but totally 100% screwing up the CONCLUSIONS of that observation (demented worm that he was).
But, of course, Einstein was a demented pseudo-intellectual bastard
"I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties."
- N. Tesla"Too bad, Sir Isaac, they dimmed your renown and turned your great science upside down. Now a long haired crank, Einstein by
name, puts on your high teaching all the blame. (he) Says: matter and force are transmutable and wrong the laws you thought
immutable. I am much too ignorant, my son, for grasping (crazy) schemes so finely spun."
- N. Tesla (Fragments of Olympian
Gossip. by Nikola Tesla regarding Einstein)
Tesla said of theory of relativity: "a mass of error and deceptive ideas violently opposed to the teachings of great men of science of
the past and even to common sense."
- N. TeslaSomeone asked Einstein "what is it like to be such a genius?".... He said "I dunno, you'll have to ask Tesla" ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 09:51:02 PM
True, OF which the math (from Tesla and Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko) is further compounded proof as per my premise that there is no such thing as " a field IN space"
rather space as a posterior attribute OF fields.
IAAD (instant action at a distance) , which is WELL confirmed, but not grasped by the Cult of Quantum is that fields are always acting instantly or near instantly (in interection and interplay) far far far faster than light.
See this video on same, its both dead SERIOUS and HILARIOUS !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTwBVgZw
QFT! That video was awesome.
I think perhaps we should all watch it and understand the point of view of the person that's trying hard to make a contribution to further humanity in a positive manner. This extends to all even those on this forum.
I came to similar conclusions to Theo and have already begun building devices suitable to the forum's interests based on the information. Taking a longer viewpoint, the Halbach Array would never have been invented had Klaus Halbach not had similar ideas.
Personal attacks on an internet persona should be taken with the grain of salt thrown over the shoulder.
We all know there are more crazy things going on in this terrible situation WE let happen through lazy politics.
You don't know if I'm an "agent" I don't know if you're an "agent" looking to pervert the course of discovery. So lets stop bickering and let experiments / discussions rule the "Matrix". "If you want to change, act like you're the person you want to be and you'll already have changed"
Quote from: john_doe on July 21, 2014, 10:36:20 PM
Personal attacks on an internet persona should be taken with the grain of salt thrown over the shoulder.
We all know there are more crazy things going on in this terrible situation WE let happen through lazy politics.
True , smack talk and BS on the www is just that, and it doesnt mean a damn thing. Im sitting on 5 hardcore potential patents right now. My associate has been giving me a brain tumor from phone time. ;D ;D
I just got done resetting 3 experiments that are time involved in the past few mins.
One experiment and potential patent is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen in my life. (yeah, Im biased, but it really is "all that") There are those "Ahhh, what a perfect 'says it ALL about nature'....." pictures which we have all seen.
Well, Ive got one to top them all, but because of the implications, I cant show it to anyone. (yet) But I will
I just made up 4 11x17 PRINTS of it today, gave one to the folks, explained it, and one to my associate. and one is on MY wall.
Im dying to release a picture of this experiments results, everyone who is a
science/ fields/ electricity/ nature/ geometry "nerd" would want a print of it.... , it just stunning. Had NO IDEA I would get these results, ......have done the experiment 10 times already in 'different ways' SAME results.
First thing my associate said was "Forgetting the *#@&^@ PATENT, you will sell a million copies of this as a PRINT/POSTER for people to hang on their wall" ;D ;D
Im a crusty SOB (very crusty), but the picture of this experiment and (high potential patent) just melts my heart, seriously.
Dr. Oleg Jefimenkos work
Ken
Your a regular Patentologist,we perform patentectomys here on a regular basis
it can be like an exorcism to the more seriously afflicted.
Stay away from the dark side ,, the EVIL side....
in some cases getting a patent can be just like handing a man a stick to beat you with.
Chet
Quote from: ramset on July 21, 2014, 11:18:39 PM
in some cases getting a patent can be just like handing a man a stick to beat you with.
Chet
Its more like overpaying lawyers to violently R-A-P-E you.
And once theyre done, to squeeze you for more $$$ and beg for seconds.
Ken
How many Patents has Eric filed on his work?
Thx
Chet
Quote from: tinman on July 21, 2014, 08:39:38 AM
This statement is correct as far as my test showed,which were done prior to the water test. Look at the picture below of a simple homopolar motor. We can place the conducting wire(the wire that touches the magnet) from the positive of the battery in/on the north end/south end,or center of the magnet,and it will spin in the same direction.Nothing speacial,i know-just saying. Of course i know that if we flip the magnet over,it will spin in the opposite direction,as it will if we swap the voltage polarity over.And if we do both at the same time,the spin direction wont change-all this i know Gravoc. Hope that clears that up.
Tinman,
Regarding your "bubble vortex" video and experiments:
It may be informative to repeat your test using a neo wrapped in electrical tape. Simply wrap the tape around the magnet leaving only the very poles exposed (i.e., insulate the sides from the electrolyte). See if you still have a bubble vortex under similar conditions to your previous test.
You could first verify that you can generate the vortex with the magnet prior to applying the tape, and then apply the tape to that same magnet and note any observed differences.
I know your time is valuable, so consider this just a suggestion,
Thanks,
PW
Quote from: ramset on July 21, 2014, 11:39:42 PM
Ken
How many Patents has Eric filed on his work?
Thx
Chet
I dunno, I talked to him on Saturday driving to best buy, I ended talking to him for almost hour and a half
He sounded a bit down, I gave him some good news, I told him his pic was on the back cover of my book and I had sent him all the "thanks" money I got (wasn't much) for the book.
I told him, well, the book is free, but whatever I get from it, I sent it to him, and will do so. Also any greater exposure his works get is GREAT
He was asking me about typing up (maybe) the Greek portions of his new book or wanted them to look like Steinmetz's work, and his latest work is full of equations.
He was a hoot to talk with. It was fun all round' on that call ;D
He said he was hungry and time to eat and that was it.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 07:40:04 AM
Regarding dual homopolar counter-rotating plates. He has to have the current going opposite directions. If you put another magnet aligned the same direction near the bottom, the field would still be the same direction as the top.... he has to have the current running something like....
Yes, this appears to be correct. My sincerest apologies TinMan!
Gravock
Quote from: picowatt on July 21, 2014, 11:49:57 PM
Tinman,
Regarding your "bubble vortex" video and experiments:
It may be informative to repeat your test using a neo wrapped in electrical tape. Simply wrap the tape around the magnet leaving only the very poles exposed (i.e., insulate the sides from the electrolyte). See if you still have a bubble vortex under similar conditions to your previous test.
You could first verify that you can generate the vortex with the magnet prior to applying the tape, and then apply the tape to that same magnet and note any observed differences.
I know your time is valuable, so consider this just a suggestion,
Thanks,
PW
Yes, either what you proposed above for the PM or wrapping the EM in aluminium foil. This needs to be ruled out. In a HPM, the torque is not on the magnet itself and the magnet will only rotate if it's attached/glued to the copper disc. Hopefully I can get my magnets back from my ex g/f and do some experiments myself, lol. This is not the first time she has held my magnets hostage, lol!
If there is a vortex in a PM and not in an EM, then this can lead to some very interesting experiments in a HPM / HPG!
Gravock
Quote from: picowatt on July 21, 2014, 11:49:57 PM
Tinman,
Regarding your "bubble vortex" video and experiments:
It may be informative to repeat your test using a neo wrapped in electrical tape. Simply wrap the tape around the magnet leaving only the very poles exposed (i.e., insulate the sides from the electrolyte). See if you still have a bubble vortex under similar conditions to your previous test.
You could first verify that you can generate the vortex with the magnet prior to applying the tape, and then apply the tape to that same magnet and note any observed differences.
I know your time is valuable, so consider this just a suggestion,
Thanks,
PW
test done,and video uploading to youtube now. But before i post it PW,what do you think the outcome may be?.
What i need is a big 2 or 3 inch neo to do these test with-that would look awsome. But as per usual,i cant get one that size here in OZ-all out of stock apparently lol.
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 01:34:33 AM
test done,and video uploading to youtube now. But before i post it PW,what do you think the outcome may be?.
Tinman,
I am speculating that you will find that the torque that spins your neo in the liquid homopolar motor video is also present in the bubble vortex video. But, in the bubble vortex video, because the neo is stationary, the torque instead imparts a spin to the electrolyte, producing the observed vortex (A colored marker taped to a dowel and slowly dipped into your tank to approach the neo should allow you to see any spin imparted to the electrolyte).
Also, because the electromagnet has limited current flow through the electrolyte perpendicular to its magnetic axis, little torque is generated with which to stir the electrolyte, hence no vortex.
If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex.
Thanks for taking the time,
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 01:47:54 AM
Tinman,
I am speculating that you will find that the torque that spins your neo in the liquid homopolar motor video is also present in the bubble vortex video. But, in the bubble vortex video, because the neo is stationary, the torque instead imparts a spin to the electrolyte, producing the observed vortex (A colored marker taped to a dowel and slowly dipped into your tank to approach the neo should allow you to see any spin imparted to the electrolyte).
Also, because the electromagnet has limited current flow through the electrolyte perpendicular to its magnetic axis, little torque is generated with which to stir the electrolyte, hence no vortex.
If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex.
Thanks for taking the time,
PW
This is also what I think.
Gravock
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 01:42:05 AM
What i need is a big 2 or 3 inch neo to do these test with-that would look awsome. But as per usual,i cant get one that size here in OZ-all out of stock apparently lol.
How about a 6 inch by 2 inch NEO???? Every soooooooooo slightly dangerous ;D
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 01:47:54 AM
But, in the bubble vortex video, because the neo is stationary, the torque instead imparts a spin to the electrolyte, producing the observed vortex (A colored marker taped to a dowel and slowly dipped into your tank to approach the neo should allow you to see any spin imparted to the electrolyte).
Too that would never explain no charge used in nanoparticle suspensionsOR.....
powdered bismuth
nano-film ferrofluid (SEE PIC BELOW)
nor pyrolytic graphite
nor.............
nor..................(my best invention in the past 6 months that I will reveal in the 3rd edition, hopefully, depending on patent seeking potential)
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 01:47:54 AM
If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex.
PW
Nope, You
LIKE MOST PEOPLE keep forgetting (dont know really) that each "SIDE" of every magnet (neo or not) has a CENTRIFUGAL and a
CENTRIPETAL vortex (convergent) which = CHARGE VECTOR You also forget or dont know that magnets (
so-called, since they're NOT dominantly magnetic, not ONE BIT, rather dielectric) are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE "POLES"
PW:
I haven't looked at the new clip but I am really feeling what you are saying, it sounds perfect. When only the tips of the magnet can conduct current into the water, you can visualize the current "blooming" out of each end of the magnet and the "blooming" will be in a very similar direction to the magnetic field. Hence the magnitude of the cross-product between the current flow and the magnetic field is very low and hence you don't get much of a torque imparted at all on the electrolyte "spaghetti strands." You are awesome!
Brad, I have to scold you. For starters, I made a posting that stated that three conditions had to be met for the vortex in the water to get created. Look at my three conditions and relate that to what PW says and what I say in the above paragraph. The reason to "scold" you is that you did the experiment and your conclusion was that an electromagnet produces a "different" magnetic field than a magnet. Yet over the past few years you have looked at countless diagrams of magnets and electromagnets where you see essentially an identical magnetic field pattern produced by both things. You probably have taken a compass and moved it around a magnet and an electromagnet and observed the same magnetic field pattern. So how could you even say what you were saying? It's almost like a couple of years ago when you were a beginner taking your first baby steps and every second or third clip you made you might say that you were demonstrating "something new that that science and engineering does not understand." Respect.
I stated in an earlier posting that with your experiment you only made an observation and you did not arrive at a conclusion. Likewise, I think one of Theoria's pitches is that a magnet and an electromagnet are very much different, the "magnetic fields are different because the sources are different" (or something like that) and that is not true. Both an electromagnet and a magnet make use of exactly the same fundamental mechanism to generate the magnetic field.
In a similar vein, your underwater spinner is being pitched by Theoria and something new, like it's a big deal. The truth is, you can literally construct that experiment in your head. You know two things ahead of time, (1) the water will normally spin in a vortex if the magnet is stationary because of the cross product between the magnetic field and the spaghetti tubes of current, and (2) the water is 'sticky' and it is 'stuck' on the surface of the magnet such that the vortex will work on pushing the water and it will also push on the body of the magnet. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You can crunch those two things in your head before you even do the experiment and conclude that the underwater spinner will indeed spin. The underwater spinner experiment breaks no new ground at all.
Anyway, you learned something new, and that's the most important part. But you have to be conservative and stop arriving at conclusions that go against what is already known and well understood. Your coil vs. electromagnet experiment was simply a "casse tete" and nothing more than that.
MileHigh
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 02:34:05 AM
Too that would never explain no charge used in nanoparticle suspensions
OR.....
powdered bismuth
nano-film ferrofluid (SEE PIC BELOW)
nor pyrolytic graphite
nor.............
nor..................(my best invention in the past 6 months that I will reveal in the 3rd edition, hopefully, depending on patent seeking potential)
Nope, You LIKE MOST PEOPLE keep forgetting (dont know really) that each "SIDE" of every magnet (neo or not) has a CENTRIFUGAL and a CENTRIPETAL vortex (convergent) which = CHARGE VECTOR
One puzzle at a time. I am only considering why the PM created a vortex and the EM did not in Tinman's video.
Are you saying tape applied to the sides of the neo will have no effect with regard to the observed vortex in Tinman's videos?
PW
Quote from: MileHigh on July 22, 2014, 02:39:35 AM
"blooming" will be in a very similar direction to the magnetic field.
MileHigh
WHICH magnetic field? EACH "pole" has TWO MAGNETIC Vortex movements, centrifugal and centripetal
Even $5 field viewing film will show you this much simplicity. ;D
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 02:40:12 AM
I am only considering why the PM created a vortex and the EM did not in Tinman's video
That was explained several pages ago, you either ;)
A: dont believe it (typical)
B: didnt read it
As for TINMANS VIDEO HERE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-37Ecjd7FQQ&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
since hydrogen is diamagnetic, SAME as pyrolytic graphite
it will always move OPPOSITE the movement of the magnetism OR OPPOSITE the direction you are dragging the diamagnetic material.....such as the pyrolytic graphite in the test tube .SO, while he is (of course) getting CCW off the "N POLE" as per the hydrogen, the N POLE centrifugal magnetism is moving CW (and the N pole centripetal is CCW),
and as necessitated and must be the case, the diamagnetic hydrogen moves CCW to the CW centrifugal N pole of the magnetfor proof of this using pyrolytic graphite (super diamagnetic),....see here:::
see example here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6je5P1BOp3A
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 02:44:15 AM
That was explained several pages ago, you either ;)
A: dont believe it (typical)
B: didnt read it
I'll ask once again. Are you saying that taping the sides of the neo will not produce any change in the observed vortex in Tinman's upcoming video?
Brad:
There is a logical follow-up experiment that will just reinforce what PW already stated. What you want to do is make an electromagnet that allows the current to "bloom" out of the entire metal cylinder.
So as a suggestion, take the metal cylinder and wrap a single spiral of insulated magnet wire around where you leave a decent and noticeable gap between each turn of the spiral. You could tack down each end of the magnet wire using Krazy Glue or something. Now when you repeat the experiment, the electric current will be able to "bloom" off of a large portion of the metal cylinder. Thus you will now have a setup where the current "bloom" off of the regular cylindrical magnet and the current "bloom" off of the metal cylinder of the electromagnet will be very similar. Therefore you can expect to see a vortex in the electrolyte for the electromagnet and it will be approximately the same as the vortex you get with the magnet.
There you go, that's real science for you.
MileHigh
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 02:48:45 AM
I'll ask once again. Are you saying that taping the sides of the neo will not produce any change in the observed vortex in Tinman's upcoming video?
Let me give you a clue AGAIN-
"magnets" are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE (pre-) "POLES" (at which time they are of course "PRE-magnetized [rather pre-dielectrified]" ceramics),
Also at which time, they are merely the geometric faces MEANT for polarization resultant from changing the magneto-dielectric geometry of the entire piece(s) from the discharge placed thru them, ,of which, a portion is retained. Ergo, the 'permanent' magnet.
see below:
Quote from: MileHigh on July 22, 2014, 02:54:52 AM
Brad:
There is a logical follow-up experiment that will just reinforce what PW already stated. What you want to do is make an electromagnet that allows the current to "bloom" out of the entire metal cylinder.
So as a suggestion, take the metal cylinder and wrap a single spiral of insulated magnet wire around where you leave a decent and noticeable gap between each turn of the spiral. You could tack down each end of the magnet wire using Krazy Glue or something. Now when you repeat the experiment, the electric current will be able to "bloom" off of a large portion of the metal cylinder. Thus you will now have a setup where the current "bloom" off of the regular cylindrical magnet and the current "bloom" off of the metal cylinder of the electromagnet will be very similar. Therefore you can expect to see a vortex in the electrolyte for the electromagnet and it will be approximately the same as the case for the magnet.
There you go, that's real science for you.
MileHigh
MH,
I was thinking of a steel or iron core of similar size to the neo. Wind a coil with an ID greater than the OD of the core, such that a .5" to 1" gap exists all around between the core OD and coil ID. Electrical connection to the core would be similar to the neo via the plate the core rests upon. This should provide a close analog and the gap should allow enough electrolyte to spin to produce a somewhat similar vortex.
The core length may have to be extended due to the gap between the core and coil.
But were getting a bit ahead here. Still waiting on Tinman's video...
PW
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 02:59:50 AM
Let me give you a clue AGAIN-
"magnets" are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE (pre-) "POLES" (at which time they are of course a "PRE-magnetized [rather pre-dielectrified]" ceramics),
they are merely the geometric faces MEANT for polarization.
see below:
Come on. Show a little commitment and answer the question.
Do you think taping the sides of the neo have any effect on the observed vortex in Tinman's upcoming video?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 03:05:43 AM
Come on. Show a little commitment and answer the question.
PW
Ohh, you thought I was wiggling?
You asked TINMAN-----It may be informative to repeat your test using a neo wrapped in electrical tape. Simply wrap the tape around the magnet leaving only the very poles exposed (i.e., insulate the sides from the electrolyte). See if you still have a bubble vortex under similar conditions to your previous test.
Will he have it? YES
The inertial plane in ANY magnet is concentrated at the center because it is
FORCED THERE, by the magnetism
However it is present at EVERY plane from the top to the bottom of any and all "magnets"
As any dufus will note, bringing 2 NEOS together the inertial plane will shift IMMEDIATELY to the midpoint between the two,
(just like gravity does , .....yes, there is a connection). Cut a magnet along the "poles" 1000 times, you will have 1000 new inertial planes, its "incommensurate"
Its "non-point specific and incommensurable thru the entire magneto-dielectric object" (i.e. the "magnet")
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 02:59:50 AM
Let me give you a clue AGAIN-
"magnets" are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE (pre-) "POLES" (at which time they are of course "PRE-magnetized [rather pre-dielectrified]" ceramics),
Also at which time, they are merely the geometric faces MEANT for polarization resultant from changing the magneto-dielectric geometry of the entire piece(s) from the discharge placed thru them, ,of which, a portion is retained. Ergo, the 'permanent' magnet.
see below:
You do realize the capacitor banks are discharged through coils, creating a large electromagnet (the poles of which are visible in your first picture)?
The poles of the previously weakly magnetized new magnet material are placed in contact with the electromagnet's pole pieces and a cap bank discharged into the coil(s) of the electromagnet to magnetize the new magnet.
Electrical current is not discharged through the core of the new magnet.
PW
(electrical current is typically used prior to sintering to produce the weak magnetic alignment in the raw magnet. But in the images of the magnetizer, no current flows between its two pole pieces)
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 03:21:38 AM
You do realize the capacitor banks are discharged through coils,
Yup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHuWloNGo6c&list=UUh3cY-IW8QsEFmAh-TAWwrw
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 03:21:38 AM
The poles of the previously weakly magnetized new magnet material are placed in contact with the electromagnet's pole pieces and a cap bank discharged into the coil(s) of the electromagnet to magnetize the new magnet.
Magnets are not "MAGNETIZED", thats magnetic induction from a magnet TO a piece of iron IN THE MAG FIELD, for example. That is magnetic field INDUCTION.
a "magnet" has an enormous dis-equalibrium between the interatomic magneto-dielectric, also as increased by the NeoFeBoron ceramic structure.
That powerful Neo "magnet" you THINK is a magnet has (under perfect conditions) 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism
However centripetal radial , inertial dielectricity IS NOT POLARIZED (obviously) AND HAS NO FERRO-ATTRACTIVE EFFECTS..
HENCE, the stupid human creatures only "see" the results of the MAGNETIC portion of that NEO magnet which you (WRONGLY) think is a "magnet"
All that magnetism IN a NEO is powered by the charge potential increase FROM the discharged electromagnetic coils INTO the entire F-ing Neo-Fe-Boron "pre-magnet".
(especially in the hexagonal lattice of the Neo iron boron ceramics)
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 03:21:38 AM
Electrical current is not discharged through the core of the new magnet.
Who the HELL mentioned the word "CORE" ??????? Current is discharged thru the ENTIRE F-ing magnet, which creates, resultantly this magneto-dielectric structure:
I said the dielectric was CONCENTRATED (as displaced by the magnetism) at the 'equator' of any and all magnets. Thanks for claiming something I didnt say.
Its been called the "magnetic PINCH EFFECT" since, I recall, 1958
The "pinch" is due to magnetic and dielectric field conjugation in a BINDING SYSTEM (the magnet) and the dis-equilibrium created in the interatomic from the electrification of the magnet.
Does the word "induction" ring a bell to you? (not magnetic INDUCTION), but the induction used to CREATE a "magnet".
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 03:31:13 AM
Current is discharged thru the ENTIRE F-ing magnet, which creates, resultantly this magneto-dielectric structure:
Are you saying that in the images of the magnetizer station you posted, you believe that electrical current is passed between the two large iron pole pieces directly thru the magnet being magnetized?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 03:36:36 AM
Are you saying that in the images of the magnetizer station you posted, you believe that electrical current is passed between the two large iron pole pieces directly thru the magnet being magnetized?
PW
I suggest you look up the words FIELD and INDUCTION again. Seems they slipped your brain pan
You said---
>>>>>passed between the two large iron pole pieces<<<<<<<<<
Im telling you that depending on HOW YOU lay the magnet when its induced, you can polarized (for example) a horseshoe magnet END TO END, or TOP TO BOTTOM (etc).
Oh hell, look wireless INDUCTION powering a light bulb!!! how "new" (wait, no its not).
Please wise the hell up, no offense.
That charge dumps from the banks to the coil INTO THE "MAGNETS", son, is what causes the dis-equilibrium and creates that Finger-Breaking Neo-Magnet (that you have no clue how it works)
(and apparently how its created either).
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 03:44:46 AM
I suggest you look up the words FIELD and INDUCTION again. Seems they slipped your brain pan
Oh hell, look wireless INDUCTION powering a light bulb!!! how "new" (wait, no its not).
Please wise the hell up, no offense.
I suggest you learn how to answer questions instead of deflecting them.
In the magnetizer station depicted in the images you posted, do you believe that electrical current is passed between the two large pole pieces of the magnetizer directly through the magnet being magnetized?
it's a simple yes or no question.
PW
Quote from: MileHigh on July 22, 2014, 02:39:35 AM
PW:
I haven't looked at the new clip but I am really feeling what you are saying, it sounds perfect. When only the tips of the magnet can conduct current into the water, you can visualize the current "blooming" out of each end of the magnet and the "blooming" will be in a very similar direction to the magnetic field. Hence the magnitude of the cross-product between the current flow and the magnetic field is very low and hence you don't get much of a torque imparted at all on the electrolyte "spaghetti strands." You are awesome!
Brad, I have to scold you. For starters, I made a posting that stated that three conditions had to be met for the vortex in the water to get created. Look at my three conditions and relate that to what PW says and what I say in the above paragraph. The reason to "scold" you is that you did the experiment and your conclusion was that an electromagnet produces a "different" magnetic field than a magnet. Yet over the past few years you have looked at countless diagrams of magnets and electromagnets where you see essentially an identical magnetic field pattern produced by both things. You probably have taken a compass and moved it around a magnet and an electromagnet and observed the same magnetic field pattern. So how could you even say what you were saying? It's almost like a couple of years ago when you were a beginner taking your first baby steps and every second or third clip you made you might say that you were demonstrating "something new that that science and engineering does not understand." Respect.
I stated in an earlier posting that with your experiment you only made an observation and you did not arrive at a conclusion. Likewise, I think one of Theoria's pitches is that a magnet and an electromagnet are very much different, the "magnetic fields are different because the sources are different" (or something like that) and that is not true. Both an electromagnet and a magnet make use of exactly the same fundamental mechanism to generate the magnetic field.
In a similar vein, your underwater spinner is being pitched by Theoria and something new, like it's a big deal. The truth is, you can literally construct that experiment in your head. You know two things ahead of time, (1) the water will normally spin in a vortex if the magnet is stationary because of the cross product between the magnetic field and the spaghetti tubes of current, and (2) the water is 'sticky' and it is 'stuck' on the surface of the magnet such that the vortex will work on pushing the water and it will also push on the body of the magnet. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You can crunch those two things in your head before you even do the experiment and conclude that the underwater spinner will indeed spin. The underwater spinner experiment breaks no new ground at all.
Anyway, you learned something new, and that's the most important part. But you have to be conservative and stop arriving at conclusions that go against what is already known and well understood. Your coil vs. electromagnet experiment was simply a "casse tete" and nothing more than that.
MileHigh
MH-My comment was valid in the test i carried out. There was clearly no spin at the pole end of the electromagnet,and a clear spin with a PM. Of course this may not be the case with all electromagnet's,but it was the case with the DUT in my video.. The video clearly showed this. Maybe hold off until the next video is uploaded,and then we can discus things a little more.
Maybe i should have worded my comment more carfully-like ! this particular electromagnet dose not seem to create a spin or vortex effect like the PM dose.
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 03:51:31 AM
MH-My comment was valid in the test i carried out. There was clearly no spin at the pole end of the electromagnet,and a clear spin with a PM. Of course this may not be the case with all electromagnet's,but it was the case with the DUT in my video.. The video clearly showed this. Maybe hold off until the next video is uploaded,and then we can discus things a little more.
Maybe i should have worded my comment more carfully-like ! this particular electromagnet dose not seem to create a spin or vortex effect like the PM dose.
Any spoilers available or must we wait for the new video?
When do you think it will be available?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 03:49:32 AM
In the magnetizer station depicted in the images you posted, do you believe that electrical current is passed between the two large pole pieces of the magnetizer directly through the magnet being magnetized?
it's a simple yes or no question.
PW
I suggest you learn what ELECTRICAL INDUCTION IS instead of deflecting the question.
In your ignorance, like most, you are confusing a "magnetizer" (in the creation of a magnet) ...... with Magnetization (temporary magnetic induction OF a ferrous object IN A FIELD)
In a magnetizer station, an enormous INDUCTIVE CHARGE IS DUMPED into the pre-"magnet" to create the "magnet" (of which a portion is retained, resultant with the magneto-dielectric dis-equalibrium of the , now, "magnet").
Again, suggest you look up the word INDUCTION
THAT IS, if you think you cannot fry bacon wirelessly between two INDUCTION COILS (which you can)
I thought you were smarter than that (guess not). ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 02:25:53 AM
How about a 6 inch by 2 inch NEO???? Every soooooooooo slightly dangerous ;D
Lol-i think that would be tooooo big TA. A 3 inch one would be great-if i could get one. This would allow for far greater testing,and give me something to try my new HD underwater camera on-that should arrive next week. Imagine being able to get in amoungst the vortecies. Not sure what the magnetic field would do to the cammer but ???. It takes an SD card-so no disk-may be ok???.
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 03:54:58 AM
Any spoilers available or must we wait for the new video?
When do you think it will be available?
PW
In about 5 minutes PW
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 03:57:36 AM
I suggest you learn what ELECTRICAL INDUCTION IS instead of deflecting the question.
In your ignorance, like most, you are confusing a "magnetizer" (in the creation of a magnet) ...... with Magnetization (temporary magnetic induction OF a ferrous object IN A FIELD)
In a magnetizer station, an enormous INDUCTIVE CHARGE IS DUMPED into the pre-"magnet" to create the "magnet" (of which a portion is retained, resultant with the magneto-dielectric dis-equalibrium of the , now, "magnet").
Again, suggest you look up the word INDUCTION
THAT IS, if you think you cannot fry bacon wirelessly between two INDUCTION COILS (which you can) I thought you were smarter than that (guess not). ;D ;D
Damn your difficult.
Do you even agree that in the upper two images that you posted, that the big machine into which the caps are discharged and which has two large iron pole pieces is a "magnetizer"?
Do you also believe that the machine (i.e., the magnetizer) depicted in those images passes electrical current directly thru the magnet being magnetized?
Simple yes or no questions. I really don't know how I can make them any simpler...
PW
Here is PW's seguested test.Im now off to the workshop to see if the spinning magnet motor still works with insulation tape wound around it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-EcDBvyw8&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
P.S-sorry about the quality of the video-not sure what happened there.
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 03:54:58 AM
Any spoilers available or must we wait for the new video?
When do you think it will be available?
PW
WELL>>>>>>>>>>> HERE IS HIS VIDEO , I WAS RIGHT............U WERE WRONG ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-EcDBvyw8&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
YOU KNOW HOW I KNEW?????? :o :o :o
Because ALL CENTRIPETAL [[[[at the center of every 'pole' of every magnet]]]] (not the outer-edge centrifugal !!!!!) is the
POINT THRU WHICH CHARGE OCCURS
this pic is for YOU:
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 04:05:23 AM
Here is PW's seguested test.Im now off to the workshop to see if the spinning magnet motor still works with insulation tape wound around it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-EcDBvyw8&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
P.S-sorry about the quality of the video-not sure what happened there.
Very interesting Tinman. Thanks for doing that. If you are using an adjustable supply, you might try to see if the spin rate correlates directly with current flow. That would also tend to indicate homopolar action imparting spin into the electrolyte.
Regarding the EM you used. Did I see correctly that it had a tubular core? If so, do you have anything solid that you can either replace or modify the core with so that it has a cross section more similar to the neo (particularly at the poles)?
Thanks again, I always enjoy your videos and appreciate your time...
PW.
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 04:05:21 AM
Damn your difficult.
Do you even agree that in the upper two images that you posted, that the big machine into which the caps are discharged and which has two large iron pole pieces is a "magnetizer"?
Do you also believe that the machine (i.e., the magnetizer) depicted in those images passes electrical current directly thru the magnet being magnetized?
PW
Damn your are DUMB
Its CALLED A MAGNETIZER, dummy. Because it it used to to create magnets. It DOES SO by CHARGED INDUCTION dummy
DIRECTLY???????Define DIRECTLY son????????? ROFL !!!!!
How did you think a magnetizer works? Temporary magnetization or creating a permanent magnet, ....the fields of dielectricity and magnetism are ALIGNED to create acceleration to the electomagnet (from iron for example).
An inductive charge is placed from the cap banks, thru the coils and THRU the "magnet" , of which a portion of the charge is left "permanently" remaining.
Just like running a fast river for an instant in the sand, leaving a permanent "mark", in this case, the "mark" is the dis-equilibrium of the magneto-dielectric in and of the (now) "magnet".
Let me WISE YOU THE HECK up (no offense, honestly) ....
CONTACT electrification, and INDUCTION electrification are BOTH #&*@(@(@ ELECTRIFICATION
Regarding diametric magnetized magnet... would be the same if you put the other axially magnetized on it's side... ( so the vortex from north goes (cw) and the other side goes (ccw) which makes a generla feed in one direction, which will look like sluffing off to the side.)
Radial magnetized is with north in the center and south on the outside...
(images) from https://www.kjmagnetics.com/magdir.asp and ring section of http://www.duramag.com/magnetization-options-for-neodymium-iron-boron-samarium-cobalt-ceramic-magnets/
1) diametric (across the diameter)
2) axial (along the axis)
3) radial
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 04:06:49 AM
WELL>>>>>>>>>>> HERE IS HIS VIDEO , I WAS RIGHT............U WERE WRONG ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-EcDBvyw8&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
YOU KNOW HOW I KNEW?????? :o :o :o Because ALL CENTRIPETAL [[[[at the center of every 'pole' of every magnet]]]] (not the outer-edge centrifugal !!!!!) is the POINT THRU WHICH CHARGE OCCURS
this pic is for YOU:
A bit early to draw any conclusions, don't you think? That would be a typical newbie experimenter mistake.
One can see that the amount of electrolyte spinning at the sides (of the neo (and in general) greatly reduced when the tape was applied. This tends to support the homopolar torque speculation. However, it is too soon to draw any solid conclusions.
Current is still flowing in the presence of a magnetic field, and in the tape covered neo, As tinman noted, there now appears to be a series of smaller vortices generated when the tape is applied to the neo, as opposed to the more general and singular overall spin observed when the tape was not applied to the neo. It also appears that the vortices generated are closer to the edge of the tape covered neo where current flow continues to more so perpendicular to the magnetic axis.
The character of the observed vortex did indeed change when the tape was applied.
So now a next experiment must be devised to further isolate a variable.
But for now, I am going to bed.
PW
Quote from: d3x0r on July 22, 2014, 04:35:54 AM
Regarding diametric magnetized magnet..
or the special nature of HD magnets
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 04:39:33 AM
A bit early to draw any conclusions, don't you think? That would be a typical newbie experimenter mistake.
Yeah, Im sure Tinmans video is a BIG LIE (not a chance in hell) ;D ;D
LET ME QUOTE YOU from earlier::::::::
If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex.
I knew it would be the same, as said, because the CENTRIPETAL on both sides is the "portal" (as analogy) of reintegration AND charge which perpetuates the incommensurable magneto-dielectric geometry of the "magnet".
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 04:39:33 AM
One can see that the amount of electrolyte spinning at the sides (of the neo (and in general) greatly reduced when the tape was applied. This tends to support the homopolar torque speculation. However, it is too soon to draw any solid conclusions.
NO WAY........ITS NOT "SPINNING AT THE SIDES"
its the bubbles from the OTHER SIDES vortex, AGAINST THE PLATE, which are rising!!!!! ROFL!!!!!!
"duhhh". ;D ;D
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 04:39:33 AM
Current is still flowing in the presence of a magnetic field, and in the tape covered neo, As tinman noted, there now appears to be a series of smaller vortices generated when the tape is applied to the neo, as opposed to the more general and singular overall spin observed when the tape was not applied to the neo. It also appears that the vortices generated are closer to the edge of the tape covered neo where current flow continues to more so perpendicular to the magnetic axis.
thats because he has PART OF the centrifugal edge of the NEO covered in tape, OF WHICH the hydrogen bubbles are disturbed by.
You can see that in nature, when a giant tornado gets blasted and disturbed, it can form many smaller tornados like a 3 or 4 fingers diverging from one larger tornado.
he just needs to removed a VERY SMALL hair of tape from the centrifugal edge.
You can SEE he has the >>>very edge<<<< taped off. LOOK IN THE VIDEO, its as clear as day.Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 04:39:33 AM
The character of the observed vortex did indeed change when the tape was applied.
NOPE, he did NOT tape just the SIDE, but ALSO THE LIP OF THE EDGE of the centrifugal
see pic below:
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 04:24:23 AM
Damn your are DUMB
Its CALLED A MAGNETIZER, dummy. Because it it used to to create magnets. It DOES SO by CHARGED INDUCTION dummy
DIRECTLY???????
Define DIRECTLY son????????? ROFL !!!!!
How did you think a magnetizer works? Temporary magnetization or creating a permanent magnet, ....the fields of dielectricity and magnetism are ALIGNED to create acceleration to the electomagnet (from iron for example).
An inductive charge is placed from the cap banks, thru the coils and THRU the "magnet" , of which a portion of the charge is left "permanently" remaining.
Just like running a fast river for an instant in the sand, leaving a permanent "mark", in this case, the "mark" is the dis-equilibrium of the magneto-dielectric in and of the (now) "magnet".
Let me WISE YOU THE HECK up (no offense, honestly) ....
CONTACT electrification, and INDUCTION electrification are BOTH #&*@(@(@ ELECTRIFICATION
Great, so now that we agree that the machine depicted is indeed a magnetizer, perhaps you will answer my question.
Regarding the magnetizer depicted in the images you posted, do you believe electrical current is passed between the two large iron pole pieces of the magnetizer thru the magnet being magnetized?
I only asked for clarification, because it sure sounded like that is indeed what you were saying (you even added an expletive to force the point). It sounded like you believed that the capacitors are discharged directly thru the item being magnetized, which is not the case.
The magnetizer is just a large electromagnet made with a soft ferro core about which a coil or coils are wound. The ends of the core terminate at the two large iron pole pieces visible on the machine depicted in the images you posted. The item being magnetized is placed across the pole pieces and a brief discharge of current is passed thru the coil(s) of the magnetizer's electromagnet, which magnetizes the item between the electromagnet's pole pieces. If the item is such that it can retain the magnetism, it becomes a PM.
At no time during the use of the magnetizer is the electrical current discharged from the caps passed directly thru the item being magnetized.
A permanent magnet of sufficiently high strength could instead be used to replace the electromagnet of the magnetizer, and it would also, in a similar fashion, magnetize the new magnet. It would, however, be very difficult to remove the new magnet from the pole pieces of a powerful permanent magnet, so an electromagnet is used instead.
I'm off to bed...
PW
TA,
Clearly the character of the vortex changed when the tape was applied.
I'll read more of the responses you posted tomorrow, but from what I already read, all I can say is that kicking and screaming like the youngster you are and throwing an apparent hissy fit is not science.
I'll spend some more time thinking about Tinman's experiment tomorrow.
For now I'm off to bed.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 05:00:00 AM
The item being magnetized is placed across the pole pieces and a brief discharge of current is passed thru the coil(s) of the magnetizer's electromagnet, which magnetizes the item between the electromagnet's pole pieces. If the item is such that it can retain the magnetism, it becomes a PM.
Dead wrong son.
Brief LARGE AMOUNT OF CURRENT you mean.You're as clueless as a goddamn lemming. You dont (still) GET the fucking word "MAGNETIZE" , Magnetization (as implied resultant magnetism in the "magnet") is the TERMINATION OF ELECTRICITY moron.......... Even a 8th grade book on electricity will tell you that son.
How the FUCK did you think you created a FINGER CRUSHING NEO MAGNET???? Its inductively CHARGED at the dielectric from the Cap banks, to the coils INTO the Magnet.
Magnetism is the RESULTANT FROM ANOTHER. There is no such bullshit as "magnetism" occuring (on its own)
Magnetism is SPATIAL, is RADIATION, is the TERMINATION / DEAD END of either A: dielectric amplification B: discharge termination of electrical current (into X)
Dont you even fucking know how AC power lines SPREAD APART when the current is altered???????????? Guess what is "spreading the lines apart" ????? Magnetism
GUESS NOW what the fuck is CAUSING THEM to spread apart.
You have poo between your ears.
Let me give you a fucking heads up on the word "ELECTROMAGNET"........OK, Its OVERWHELMINGLY ELECTRICAL, with resultant strong magnetic (temporary) charge.
Yes, moron, the magnet is electrically INDUCED BY the ELECTRIC INDUCTION from the ELECTO-magnet. Wise the ever loving hell up boy.
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 05:00:00 AM
A permanent magnet of sufficiently high strength could instead be used to replace the electromagnet of the magnetizer, and it would also, in a similar fashion, magnetize the new magnet. It would, however, be very difficult to remove the new magnet from the pole pieces of a powerful permanent magnet, so an electromagnet is used instead.
Thanks for that "no shit" heads up. NOW ask how you create a (very WEAK) permanent magnet with a STRONG magnet???????
YOU STROKE IT with the strong magnet and align the dielectricity in a coherent fashion in the steel bar ,etc,... to create resultant macro-magnetic polarization
Ohhhhhhhh, and WHY IS A MAGNET MADE THIS WAY SO STINKING WEAK IN POWER?????????????? because it was not, IS NOT, HAS NOT been electrified from a HUGE inductive electrical DUMP
You however, have been stroking something else. and its NOT the books. ;D ;D
The question becomes, of the two diagrams below, one being graphed, the other showing iron filings on the left, which of the two
is showing the cross section of a permanent magnet, and which is showing current moving in opposite directions as in AC lines (blue
representing the dielectric, and red the magnetic)? The answer is that both are showing both current moving in opposite directions and
the cross section along the Z-axis of a permanent magnet. In the iron filings illustration on the left, you need only connect the two
conductive AC wires with a line (however in 3D it would be a flattened toroidal accretion disk) and you have the XY-axis 'accretion
disk' of dielectric counterspatial, inertial, radial, and centripetal dominance and the vertically expansive spatial, circular, centrifugal
(and centripetal) and polarized magnetic reciprocating field. Of the diagram on the right, you need only connect the two AC
conductive wires with a line once again, and compress vertically, the blue dielectric lines into a flatter profile to fit the dielectric
geometry into a magnetic mass (or "magnet") rather than free hanging space AC lines. Both illustrations are that of field or currents
(both Ether in nature) moving in opposite directions and the cross section of a permanent magnet. Likewise in an alternating current
situation, the feed lines are pressing apart in free hanging space which allows for more magnetism (whereas current in the same
direction, the current lines are pulled together which allows for more dielectric storage). This electrification in creating a magnet
means the dielectric, while centripetal, exists predominately like a gyroscopic flywheel mass, along the periphery at which the center
Z-axis is the reciprocating magnetic field portal. In its fixed form of a permanent magnet, the compressing dielectric centripetal
counter (spatial) force is working in direct opposition to the magnetic, with the dielectric attempting to come together at the XY-axis
centerpoint, while at the same time, the magnetic is attempting to push the XY-axis apart at the centerpoint, resultantly like stepping
down flow from a larger diameter pipe into a smaller one, there is increased pressure, or in this case, increased magnetic pressure of
which we, incorrectly, deem an electrified dielectric object, as a "magnet" or "magnetic object".
Ironically (not so) electrification in the creation of a permanent magnet creates significant spatial magnetic polarization, whereas an
identical relationship exists likewise in the spatial-counterspatial geometry as created in current lines that are polarized, and have
current moving in opposite directions. This is the harmonic conjugate relationship of magnetism and dielectricity, spatial and
counterspatial, both moving 180 degrees opposite one another, however in a binding electrical system, or a "magnetic" mass create an
unique centripetal-centrifugal, radial-circular, inertial-radiative, spatial-counterspatial set of relationships, so fully and accurately
spelled out by the gods of electrical theory, Maxwell, Heaviside, Faraday, Tesla, Steinmetz, and others.
Both diagrams show the same geometry, but in different electrical dimensions. Alternating electrical current being polarized,
produces the same magneto-dielectric geometry as electrification produces in the creation of an 'electrified' dielectric object
("magnet") with spatial magnetic polarization. Electrical current polarization produces a temporary building-radiative polarized (there
is no other kind) magnetic field, or in the other case, magnetic polarization formed in the electrification of a ferrous mass into a
dielectric object with a fixed radiative magnetic field. When electrified, the ferrous mass retains (due to the special inter-atomic
magneto-dielectric elasticity of the volume of iron) high dielectric capacitance, also proven in experimentation in releasing this
dielectricity (light reflector = dielectric conductor, iron in its special nature can be stably dielectrically saturated from electrification).
Magnetism is literally the polarization of dielectricity as contained or induced by an object (permanent magnet, TEM,
electromagnet), the two are conjugate and inversely proportional in their magneto-dielectric architecture, where one is circular,
dielectricity is radial, where one is centrifugal-centripetal, dielectricity is centripetal, where one is radiative, dielectricity is inertial,
where one is spatial (polarized), dielectricity is counterspatial. This conjugate pair creates and props up the entire universe, and powers
all atomic elements, is responsible for charge, discharge, induction, radiation, generation, polarization, mass creation which likewise
terminates into gravity. An incapacity to understand this fundamental is a roadblock to any true comprehension of magnetism or
dielectricity. Where magnetism seeks static circular polarization, electrification is a radial dynamic polarization.
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 05:12:31 AM
TA,
Clearly the character of the vortex changed when the tape was applied.
AND I told you why, see PIC ABOVE, he taped off the sharp edge of the MAX velocity point of the centrifugal of which the hydrogen is spinning off from.
However thats no big deal.
TA
Maybe we all should hold off on insulting remark's-and i mean all of us. You must understand that the guy's here are here to help(well most anyway). Look at it like this-once all the probable causes are found not to be true,then what is left must be true. Im happy to do these test 1 by 1 ,as requested. And i will do them to the best of my ability. You will now see that 1 by 1, more questions are being raised. the next video ! im sure ! will bring more questions and confusion. We have PW, saying Quote: If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex. MH and Gravoc also agreed with this. This is what we need TA,things to try-this is how we get answer's.
So here is a video that bring's more question's .lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmwnsCw2BI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 05:26:39 AM
You will now see that 1 by 1, more questions are being raised. the next video ! im sure ! will bring more questions and confusion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmwnsCw2BI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Too true on that, agreed. And the rest. I just bicker, IM not foaming at the mouth Thats how grumpy assholes operate ;D ;D
;) ;)
LOVELY NEW VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ;) ;)
Awesome video showing the VERTICALLY polarized magnet!!!
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 05:26:39 AM
So here is a video that bring's more question's .lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmwnsCw2BI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmwnsCw2BI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)
A quote from the above video description, "Dose a magnetic vortex spin really exist? ,if not,then how is this motor running with the sides of the magnet electrically insulated from the water"?
A current flowing from the rim/edge to the axis of the conductive PM will experience a torque causing it to rotate. The rotation is slower with the sides of the magnet taped, and there is also a reduction in the vortex with the sides of the magnet taped. A non conductive ceramic magnet would not rotate at all, and this is the same for the EM without a conductive coating. It wouldn't take long to wrap the EM in aluminium foil to see if the EM itself will want to rotate or not.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 05:48:43 AM
A current flowing from the rim/edge of the PM to the axis of the conductive coating will torque the magnet causing it to rotate. The rotation is slower with the sides of the magnet taped, and there is also a reduction in the vortex with the sides of the magnet taped.
Gravock
U missed the most important PART, he has the RIM EDGE TAPED OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
see pic below
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 05:51:57 AM
U missed the most important PART, he has the RIM EDGE TAPED OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
see pic below
Yes, and the more you tape of the face of the magnet, the further the reduction of the vortex will be and the slower the rotation of the PM itself will be. In a HPG, place one probe at the axis and one probe at the rim. As you move the probe from the rim towards the axis there will be a reduction in the voltage as you approach the axis. There will be no voltage when both probes are at the axis. The greatest potential is between the axis and at the center point of the two poles.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 05:57:24 AM
Yes, and the more you tape of the face of the magnet, the further the reduction of the vortex will be and the slower the rotation of the PM itself will be. In a HPG, place one probe at the axis and one probe at the rim. As you move the probe from the rim towards the axis there will be a reduction in the voltage as you approach the axis. There will be no voltage when both probes are at the axis.
Gravock
HE DIDNT TAPE OF ANY PART OF THE CENTER POINT OF THE CENTRIPETAL/ CHARGE 'portal'.
WRONG SON, charge enters centripetally (DEAD CENTER OF BOTH 'POLES')................, NOT CENTRIFUGALLY, Ive said that 4 times already.
more disruption of the hydrogen bubbles? YES..........LESS ROTATION????????? >>>>>>
NO <<<<<
Son, the CHARGE is rotating the magnet!!!!!!!!!! Not the hydrogen bubbles ROFL !!!!!!!!! Hahahhaahahahahahahhaha !!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
PATHETIC !!!!!!! OMG
And, his rotation is only a tad slower because:
A:
it has electrical tape on it with MORE DRAG than the slick nickel coatingB: he created
greater MASS to rotate around the side of the magnet, ALL AROUND IT with several grams of electrical tape.
BOTH THOSE reasons are why its spinning a wee bit slower!!!
back to the books with you.
Thats why my 1000$ Bicycle wheels (the wheels ONLY) are SO LIGHTWEIGHT around the rim........
LESS WEIGHT = MORE /EASIER TO SPIN
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 06:01:32 AM
HE DIDNT TAPE OF ANY PART OF THE CENTER POINT OF THE CENTRIPETAL/ CHARGE 'portal'.
WRONG SON, charge enters centripetally (DEAD CENTER OF BOTH 'POLES')................, NOT CENTRIFUGALLY, Ive said that 4 times already.
more disruption of the hydrogen bubbles? YES..........LESS ROTATION? ??? ??? ?? >>>>>> NO <<<<<
Son, the CHARGE is rotating the magnet!!!!!!!!!! Not the hydrogen bubbles ROFL !!!!!!!!! Hahahhaahahahahahahhaha !!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
PATHETIC !!!!!!! OMG
And, his rotation is only a tad slower because it has electrical tape on it with MORE DRAG than the slick nickel coating
AND he created greater MASS to rotate around the side of the magnet, ALL AROUND IT with several grams of electrical tape.
BOTH THOSE reasons are why its spinning a wee bit slower!!!
Wrong, charge can enter either centripetally or centrifugally depending on the polarity of the current. Centripetally will enter dead center at both poles. Centrifugally will enter at the axis on the face of the magnet. You will either have a negative voltage reading or a positive voltage reading depending on the polarity (centripetal or centrifugal) of the current.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 06:07:00 AM
Wrong, charge can enter either centripetally or centrifugally depending on the polarity of the current. You will either have a negative voltage reading or a positive voltage reading depending on the polarity of the current.
Gravock
You demented fool, NICE BS CLAIM (I repeat CLAIM). However its 100% dead WRONG.
ALL charge enters centripetally...........youre confusing CW with CCW (which pertains to BOTH centripetal AND centrifugal).
Centripetal is called CONVERGENT for a goddamn reason............ its the point of CHARGE.
Centrifugal is called DIVERGENT for a reason, is the point at which magnetism ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALLLLWAYS leaves a magnet.
regardless of which side,
regardless of charge or not.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 06:09:11 AM
You demented fool, NICE BS CLAIM (I repeat CLAIM). However its 100% dead WRONG.
ALL charge enters centripetally...........youre confusing CW with CCW (which pertains to BOTH centripetal AND centrifugal).
If this is the case, then reversing the polarity of the current wouldn't reverse the direction of rotation. However, this isn't the case, because there will be a reversal in rotation with a reversal in the polarity of the current. This isn't a claim. What I am saying is observed in countless experiments.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 06:12:07 AM
If this is the case, then reversing the polarity of the current wouldn't reverse the direction of rotation.
Gravock
Holy F-ING SH*T!!!!!! Of course the DIRECTION OF ROTATION CHANGES on the magnetic mass, dummy ;D ;D
That has no *##&@# bearing on the fact that the charge ENTERS CENTRIPETALLY
Change the polarity from
CW centripetal to CCW centripetal (BOTH ARE CENTRIPETAL)...........Yes, the rotation changes
ROFL How old are you,,....honestly? Lets look at the diagram again, (but for you, the FIRST TIME)
Hmmmmmmm CW centripetal ......... AND CCW centripetal
Yup, there it is.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 06:14:26 AM
Holy F-ING SH*T!!!!!! Of course the DIRECTION OF ROTATION CHANGES on the magnetic mass, dummy ;D ;D
That has no *##&@# bearing on the fact that the charge ENTERS CENTRIPETALLY
So, according to you, the charges flow in the same direction and enters centripetally regardless of the polarity of the current?
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 06:17:20 AM
So, according to you, the charges flow in the same direction and enters centripetally regardless of the polarity of the current?
Gravock
Centripetal is centripetal , CW or CCW
Reverse the polarity, you REVERSE the POLARITY (wow, what a stunning conclusion that is!!!!!) ;D ;D
Hmmmmmmm Polarity ,.........does that mean the CHARGE has "reverse polarity" ENTERING CENTRIPETALLY ,
AT the OTHER CENTRIPETAL charge point? OMFG
This is why Socrates was happy to drink the Hemlock.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 06:21:13 AM
Centripetal is centripetal , CW or CCW
Reverse the polarity, you REVERSE the POLARITY (wow, what a stunning conclusion that is!!!!!) ;D ;D
Hmmmmmmm Polarity ,.........does that mean the CHARGE has "reverse polarity" ENTERING CENTRIPETALLY , AT the OTHER CENTRIPETAL charge point?
OMFG
This is why Socrates was happy to drink the Hemlock.
Centripetal current means the charges are flowing from the rim to the axis. Centrifugal current means the charges are flowing from the axis towards the rim. Feel free to replace 'rim' with the 'center point between the two poles' if you like.
Gravock
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 05:26:39 AM
TA
Maybe we all should hold off on insulting remark's-and i mean all of us. You must understand that the guy's here are here to help(well most anyway). Look at it like this-once all the probable causes are found not to be true,then what is left must be true. Im happy to do these test 1 by 1 ,as requested. And i will do them to the best of my ability. You will now see that 1 by 1, more questions are being raised. the next video ! im sure ! will bring more questions and confusion. We have PW, saying Quote: If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex. MH and Gravoc also agreed with this. This is what we need TA,things to try-this is how we get answer's.
So here is a video that bring's more question's .lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmwnsCw2BI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Tinman,
Interesting video. But again, we still have current flow in the presence of a magnetic field, so it is not unreasonable to expect spin. Can you tell if the torque is reduced with the tape applied (possibly via spin up rate)? As well, does the spin rate vary with the applied current?
I am more so interested in the bubble vortex difference when using the PM versus EM. Now that we know that a spin still appears with the neo's sides taped it will be easier to do tests with the EM. Although the taped neo produced a somewhat different vortex appearance, with smaller multiple vortices, it is possible that these represent something closer to truth that may actually have been masked by the larger overall spin produced via the side torque. It must also be kept in mind, however, that we still have current flow in the presence of an electrical field, so it is not at all unrealistic to expect spin generation via conventional means. However, one would also expect a similar result from an electromagnet.
Therefore, a first experiment regarding the EM that might be considered is to modify the core of the EM so that its cross section is similar to the neo, particularly with regard to the poles, and repeat the test. Was your EM core tubular? Consider changing the core to a solid one or insert something into the tubular core to make the EM poles more similar to the neo. Also, it would be wise to use a spring scale or a lift test to determine the current needed to make the EM similar to the PM in strength. But again, the core cross section should be made similar to the neo before doing so. Also, make sure the EM coil is electrically isolated from the electrolyte so as not to influence the current path.
Appreciate your time,
PW
Quote from: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 06:27:59 AM
Centripetal means the charges are flowing from the rim to the axis. Centrifugal means the charges are flowing from the axis towards the rim. Feel free to replace 'rim' with the 'center point between the two poles' if you like.
Gravock
Clueless as heck.
SERIOUSLY, how old are you? 100% I#$&$($% WRONGNO SON, magnetic CENTRIPETAL magnetism LEFT from the other side.. leaving the centrifugal, going ROUND to the other side AT HEIGHT and speeding UP to the centripetal point at the middle
A TORNADO is centripetal son, it STARTS at the clouds and its speed increases AT THE GROUND POINT (surface of the magnet at dead center)
A BULLWHIP is a type of CENTRIFUGAL, slow movement at hand, and breaking the sound barrier at the END of the whip.
YELLOW LINES BELOW ARE CENTRIFUGAL........GOING AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE, RETURNING AT CENTER, CENTRIPETALLY, RED ARROWS
You are either PLAYING with me, or genuinely JUST THAT DUMB
See pic below son, THAT is a magnet, the RED is centripetal , its the END RESULT of the other sides CENTRIFUGAL
thats why its called "magnetic reciprocation" son.
Even a *@#&&@ Gaussmeter will tell you the HIGH GAUSS rating (magnetic velocity) at the EDGE of any magnet is THE HIGHEST
also very high at the dead center.
You said::::::
Centripetal means the charges are flowing from the rim to the axis.
What the FUCKING HELL?????? Too bad magnetism is POLARIZED = SPATIAL..........
Magnetism is NOT moving just ALONG the surface of "each pole" ;D ;D ;D , but GOING ROUND , GOING OUT (centrifugal) and returning to the other side and entering the dead center (CENTRIPETAL)
Two options:1. Extreme stupidity
2. playing games.
Either 1 or 2 does NOT bode well .
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 06:32:39 AM
Clueless as heck. SERIOUSLY, how old are you?
100% I#$&$($% WRONG
NO SON, magnetic CENTRIPETAL magnetism LEFT from the other side.. leaving the centrifugal, going ROUND to the other side AT HEIGHT and speeding UP to the centripetal point at the middle
A TORNADO is centripetal son, it STARTS at the clouds and its speed increases AT THE GROUND POINT (surface of the magnet at dead center)
A BULLWHIP is a type of CENTRIFUGAL, slow movement at hand, and breaking the sound barrier at the END of the whip.
YELLOW LINES BELOW ARE CENTRIFUGAL........GOING AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE, RETURNING AT CENTER, CENTRIPETALLY, RED ARROWS
You are either PLAYING with me, or genuinely JUST THAT DUMB
See pic below son, THAT is a magnet, the RED is centripetal , its the END RESULT of the other sides CENTRIFUGAL
thats why its called "magnetic reciprocation" son.
You said::::::
Centripetal means the charges are flowing from the rim to the axis.
What the FUCKING HELL? ??? ?? Too bad magnetism is POLARIZED = SPATIAL.......... Magnetism is NOT moving just ALONG the surface of "each pole" ;D ;D ;D , but GOING ROUND , GOING OUT (centrifugal) and returning to the other side and entering the dead center (CENTRIPETAL)
Two options:
1. Extreme stupidity
2. playing games.
Either 1 or 2 does NOT bode well .
You sure do like to muddy the waters. Your rebuttal has nothing to do with what I said, lol.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 06:38:53 AM
You sure do like to muddy the waters. Your rebuttal has nothing to do with what I said, lol.
Gravock
Listen son, I dont mind ignorance, EVERYONE is ignorant.
I don't know how to build a car motor, OR fix the goddamn thing OK??
Just dont act like you know what the goddamn hell you're talking about on this subject.
Ignorance is good (if you know you have it)....... Being ignorant and thinking you AREN'T (about X), thats the pits of Hell itself.
My rebuttal was logical, and I can demonstrate same 1000 ways to Sunday, even 10$ bottle of FERROFLUID will show you this simple damn fact.
Wise up.
I suspect you're some teenager punk. Typically such hubris is only found out of 2 people:
1. Old demented fools
2. Teenanger know it all scum
And I doubt you are OLD
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 06:31:34 AM
Tinman,
Interesting video. But again, we still have current flow in the presence of a magnetic field, so it is not unreasonable to expect spin. Can you tell if the torque is reduced with the tape applied (possibly via spin up rate)? As well, does the spin rate vary with the applied current?
I am more so interested in the bubble vortex difference when using the PM versus EM. Now that we know that a spin still appears with the neo's sides taped it will be easier to do tests with the EM. Although the taped neo produced a somewhat different vortex appearance, with smaller multiple vortices, it is possible that these represent something closer to truth that may actually have been masked by the larger overall spin produced via the side torque. It must also be kept in mind, however, that we still have current flow in the presence of an electrical field, so it is not at all unrealistic to expect spin generation via conventional means. However, one would also expect a similar result from an electromagnet.
Therefore, a first experiment regarding the EM that might be considered is to modify the core of the EM so that its cross section is similar to the neo, particularly with regard to the poles, and repeat the test. Was your EM core tubular? Consider changing the core to a solid one or insert something into the tubular core to make the EM poles more similar to the neo. Also, it would be wise to use a spring scale or a lift test to determine the current needed to make the EM similar to the PM in strength. But again, the core cross section should be made similar to the neo before doing so. Also, make sure the EM coil is electrically isolated from the electrolyte so as not to influence the current path.
Appreciate your time,
PW
Some answers i can give you already PW. The electromagnets cross section is the same as the neo's im using-as seen in a couple of the video's. Also in a couple of the video's,i use a cylinder magnet (hole through the middle) with the same cross section size as the EM's core. The neo still produces the vortex ,but as seen,the electromagnet dose not. The EM's coil power is totally isolated from the power supply. Even when using the battery charger(that has no common ground)to keep the battery voltage up,it is also isolated via the step down transformer-which dosnt have a common neutral(Primary and secondary are two sepperate winding's).
I need to say this once again,as some still dont get it.
I am stating facts on tests i carried out !!AND!! showed on video, on !!MY!! EM-not ruddy Johno's down the road. These are the results of !!MY!! DUT,not some other device. Other EM's may indeed give different results,and so they ruddy well should-because there !!NOT!! the same device.If you want the horse power rating of your mini clubman,do you put a ford mustang on the dyno to get it?. So,i stand by what i said-the EM (my EM) tested in the video,did NOT show the spin effect like the PM did-as seen in the video. So when i said the EM's field seems to be different to that of the PM's field,i was 100% correct-as seen in the video.
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 07:08:07 AM
So when i said the EM's field seems to be different to that of the PM's field,i was 100% correct-as seen in the video.
The only reductive conclusion one can draw from all the pissing and moaning about your EM experiment is:
1. Theyre pissed that the vortex (fact) premise of PM is true, and (of course) not found in an EM
2. No matter WHAT you do, someone is going to say (just a few) you jacked the experiment (which you didnt, of course)
3. Theyre pissed that you proved a premise of mine with genuine experimentation.,........since they all generally seem to love you, but despise me........ As such, they're pissed your HONEST and unbiased experiments produced results in favor of my premise, and they really arent ticked at anything YOU did, but that it supports my position.
I hope you invent something WONDERFUL and make a LOAD of $$$$ so you and the fam can retire and tell the regular job to SHOVE IT ;) ;D ;) ;)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 07:16:02 AM
The only reductive conclusion one can draw from all the pissing and moaning about your EM experiment is:
1. Theyre pissed that the vortex (fact) premise of PM is true, and (of course) not found in an EM
2. No matter WHAT you do, someone is going to say (just a few) you jacked the experiment (which you didnt, of course)
3. Theyre pissed that you proved a premise of mine with genuine experimentation.,........since they all generally seem to love you, but despise me........ As such, they're pissed your HONEST and unbiased experiments produced results in favor of my premise, and they really arent ticked at anything YOU did, but that it supports my position.
I hope you invent something WONDERFUL and make a LOAD of $$$$ so you and the fam can retire and tell the regular job to SHOVE IT ;) ;D ;) ;)
I make my experiments as simple as possable,so as others can replicate them with ease. The simple solution would be for some one else to try a differently configured EM,and see how they go. But it looks like it's just going to be me(and you TA)that is spending all the time in the work shop. It would be nice to have at least 1 other experimenter on the job as well.
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 07:38:37 AM
I make my experiments as simple as possable,so as others can replicate them with ease. The simple solution would be for some one else to try a differently configured EM,and see how they go. But it looks like it's just going to be me(and you TA)that is spending all the time in the work shop. It would be nice to have at least 1 other experimenter on the job as well.
IVe been doing lots of experimenting today!!!!!!!, I even created a new nanoparticle suspension nobody has tried before and it produces wonderful thin long thread results and that moves slow and shows much better vortex movement
I show another version of a NEW suspension in a recent video.
So, I DID invent a wholly new suspension today.!!!!! I meet with my associate tomorrow. I have 6 diff. liquid ferrous and non-ferrous suspensions, and we are talking about marketing them to other folks as a
6 part set of diff. magnetic viewing devices.
Here are 2 anyone can make that I CAN TALK ABOUT how theyre made:::::Not shown is the 3rd type (hard to photograph), which shows the inertial plane of a magnet
Ive been experimenting with ferrofluid suspensions for a LONG TIME.
ferrofluid is very cheap on ebay.......ultimately you only need a small vial to make a LOT of testers (people LOOOOVE them as gifts)
Cost to make? About $1 or less EACH.
You need test tubes, ferrofluid, rubbing alcohol, baby oil/mineral oil
sugar and water.
1. type 1, add 5-12 drops of ferrofluid , then add 70% rubbing alcohol
RESULT: Makes very very fine hair like spikes (regardless of the magnet)
2. type 2.......add a large pinch of sugar to test tube 3/4 full with water...shake it.......THEN add 5-12 drops of ferrofluid , then fill to full and cap it.
RESULT: This makes the large teardrop shapes and diff field effects than #1.
3. type 3.....add ONLY 2 drops (NO MORE!) of ferrofluid....then add mineral oil or baby oil......RESULT? This makes an inertial plane viewer (so-called "Bloch wall")
making them at $1 , Ive made a LOOOOOOOOT of them, people LOVE LOVE them as gifts.
Theyre wonderful field testers, and demo tools, toys, gifts, etc etc.
Ken
I am told you have a video of a test tube filled with your fluid in_ Vortex_ over a strong magnet
I cannot find it ??
do you have a link?
thx
Chet
Quote from: ramset on July 22, 2014, 08:02:08 AM
Ken
I am told you have a video of a test tube filled with your fluid in_ Vortex
Yes, I have ONE of my new nanoparticle suspensions up, however the video needs to be remade, since I used a crummy nikon camera.
Shoulda used the new Sony ;D
anyway, here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4
If you could see the image close, it looks identical to a water spout with 2 vortex, one inside the other.
(see very bottom pic)
Ken
That"s the _money shot_ [expression from the "old days"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4)
Send TinMan some of that and let him make a better vid....
you'll have all the replicators you could want...
You in NYC ATM ?
Thx
Chet
Quote from: ramset on July 22, 2014, 08:17:38 AM
Ken
That"s the _money shot
You in NYC ATM ?
No, in Ft. Myers Florida not far from Sanibel Island, Also I live up north (well, kinda up north). I cant stand the rainy season right now at my home in Ft. Myers .......rains non stop for 4 months
Well, I have a 3 chip camcorder, I was going to use that for the video, but i need the LARGER DEMO back from my associate I created that hes testing.
Hes testing it for cold and heat, and how it holds up, before we can consider marketing it.
Ive made 2 diff. types of field demo fluids, but they get RUINED if they get too hot.......that also ruins their potential for marketability.
My fave is the ALCOHOL based one above, (not for vortex however),
but DONT get it hot, or it will ruin it. Leave it in a hot car, etc....
But, hell, theyre only $1 each to make.
Ken
not trying to mess with your lively hood ,its just that I love tools and measurement
and this fluid will help us to see the fields in motion and how they react to experiments.
that makes it a tool and
priceless............
thx
Chet
@TA
This is my last post on this thread because I see you are on a cloud, looking at things but not understanding why they do what they do, and, even when one attempts to explain, you just ignore everything is if nothing was said. So it is obvious you really do not want to talk shop with anyone serious and would prefer to entertain the masses. David Copperfield did that well indeed creating illusions and calling them magic.
So you have a tube with fluid and magnetic particles that are on the top of your vial and by GRAVITY mass starts to fall but since it is in such a confided are, the falling particles displace fluid that has no other place to go then up. But once the particles get near enough to the magnet, then, call it "magnetic attraction" is pulling on those particles so you get a fine line going down while the fluid is still displaced going up.
You must have needed just enough dust to reach a critical point to produce the effect otherwise to little dust and that smaller trailer would have fallen down so fast and to much dust and the shown effect would have been too short. So I am sure you played around with the quantity in the vial to get this effect going.
Hmmmmm. You obviously don't know who I am.
That's it man. Tell me, if you leave the tube like that, will all the particles eventually fall to the base of the tube? Yes they will. So where is the force you are talking about creating an upwards vortex. If there was an upward vortex, there should be a vortex rising well above when all the particles are down. There is none. Your optics is just based on what you want to see and not what is really going on. Same goes with the TV patterns of a magnet. They are not magnetic patterns, they are TV patterns when an equal force is applied at one spot (black) onto the pixels and the variable is only angularity from that point outwards. Same goes for your space/field conjectures. So for me, you have nothing man. You obviously did not do your homework and your exposé is just a rabid attempt at plugging all the holes your ideas have generated and from there you will be plugging holes for a long long time to come.
Funny thing though, a theory is supposed to dispel previous notions or clarify present notions or create a new notion. Unfortunately none of that is possible here so for that reason, since time is money, "I'm out".
I'd rather live in the real world then your world of "freebyisms".
wattsup
PS: I am very disappointed that you did not wind up being someone I could talk to. I have been looking for someone with enough brains to do just that, but, too bad for that. And yeh yeh, I know, I'm the problem because you iz so perfect. Enjoy yourself.
Quote from: ramset on July 22, 2014, 08:35:17 AM
Ken
not trying to mess with your lively hood ,its just that I love tools and measurement
and this fluid will help us to see the fields in motion and how they react to experiments.
priceless............
Chet
Oh no, no worries, you're fine. My NEW solution to show magnetic vortex movement last night still works great
BUT i need to heat test it a bit, otherwise I cannot market it.
however, it works perfect because it creates VERY FINE loooooong thin strings as it flows to the magnetic centripetal, and thats awesome for showing vortex movement.
Awesome time !! :o ;D
Quote from: wattsup on July 22, 2014, 12:23:51 PM
@TA
This is my last post on this thread because I see you are on a cloud, looking at things but not understanding
Nice BS claim. Have any videos or logic or proof to backup that BS?
Quote from: wattsup on July 22, 2014, 12:23:51 PM
why they do what they do, and, even when one attempts to explain, you just ignore everything is if nothing was said. So it is obvious you really do not want to talk shop with anyone serious and would prefer to entertain the masses. David Copperfield did that well indeed creating illusions and calling them magic.
Ohhhhhhhhh so now Im a fucking ILLUSIONIST out to mind-scr3w people??????? ~~~~~~~~~~~Ahhhhhhhhhh Another NICE F-ing claim.
Yeah, I spent ALL those years waiting just to TRICK YOU FOLKS. STFU loser.
I do the work and experiments, I have both the logic, the proof AND THE RESULTS, you have JACK SH*T
Magic tricks my goddamn ass boy.
I guess you think I mined SCR3WED TinMan too?????????? AND his video results?????
Demented POS.
Quote from: wattsup on July 22, 2014, 12:23:51 PM
So you have a tube with fluid and magnetic particles that are on the top of your vial and by GRAVITY mass starts to fall but since it is in such a confided are, the falling particles displace fluid that has no other place to go then up. But once the particles get near enough to the magnet, then, call it "magnetic attraction" is pulling on those particles so you get a fine line going down while the fluid is still displaced going up.
I currently have
13 diff. testing METHODS, moron. Not "A TUBE" Got that son???
Son, boy, I use PLENTY OF METHODS that have NOTHING to with
A: zapped magnets OR B: fluid suspensions.
Again, shut your hole.
You have BS claims and NOTHING MORE, go sit and spin on them.
Quote from: wattsup on July 22, 2014, 12:23:51 PM
Hmmmmm. You obviously don't know who I am.
Yes I do, youre the fucking idiot that thinks Im an "Illusionist" out to trick people........ just like Tinman and HIS VIDEOS HE DID HIMSELF
Shut your hole.
You DONT HAVE:
logic
proof
evidence
You dont have ANYTHING to back up your half-ass claimsIllusionist, I REALLY LIKE THAT ONE................. Demented intellectual PEDOPHILE.........I KNEW given enough time, one of you demented bastards would call me a "magician / Illusionist"
I know 100% how Skepticism works, how SOPHISTRY WORKS.
As a consumate expert of Platonism, translator of ancient Greek, expert on PLOTINUS, PROCLUS, DAMASCIUS, SYRIANUS, their works, and their methods, and all the various types of Skepticism, and Atomism they dealt with,
I know EVERY SINGLE rancid angle you have, or WILL have , or could have.
Quote from: wattsup on July 22, 2014, 12:23:51 PM
That's it man. Tell me, if you leave the tube like that, will all the particles eventually fall to the base of the tube? Yes they will. So where is the force you are talking about creating an upwards vortex. If there was an upward vortex, there should be a vortex rising well above when all the particles are down. There is none. Your optics is just based on what you want to see and not what is really going on. Same goes with the TV patterns of a magnet. They are not magnetic patterns, they are TV patterns when an equal force is applied at one spot (black) onto the pixels and the variable is only angularity from that point outwards. Same goes for your space/field conjectures. So for me, you have nothing man. You obviously did not do your homework and your exposé is just a rabid attempt at plugging all the holes your ideas have generated and from there you will be plugging holes for a long long time to come.
Youre forgetting ONE IMPORTANT FACT ASSHOLE, they are not just coming down, but coming down in a CW vortex OR a CCW vortex (depending on polarity)
That ends that horseshit.
Too bad your goddamn premise about the CRT TUBE doesn't explain CW on the centrifugal and CCW on the centripetal ON ONE FACE of the magnet !!!!!!!! ROFL !!!!!!
One could postulate it as correct if it was ALL MOVING in one direction, but not BOTH inversely at the SAME TIME
So much for that rancid BS.
You flap your fucking lips, I DO the experiments, .....and there are PLENTY MORE I have not mentioned here due to seeking potential patent rights.
You're nothing but tits on a bull, ....useless
Quote from: wattsup on July 22, 2014, 12:23:51 PM
PS: I am very disappointed that you did not wind up being someone I could talk to. I have been looking for someone with enough brains to do just that, but, too bad for that. And yeh yeh, I know, I'm the problem because you iz so perfect. Enjoy yourself.
I am very disappointed that you dont have a brain. You are yet another skeptical LOSER in the CULT OF QUANTUM.
Actually Im not, I dont give a damn ;D ;DIf I had a 10000 testing methods , youd say
"ohhh, well that doesnt prove shit"
I know your type son. Ive been debating Greek Metaphysics, and translating Prakrit for almost 15 years now, and debated the BEST MINDS alive on highly abstruse topics of nonlinear inductive reasoning and complex topics in Platonic philosophy.
That translates into: "I can run circles around your ass in ANY debate you want".
However LOGIC, PROOF, RESULTS, and EXPERIMENTS matter.........the rest is just you flapping your pathetic lips
@ TA
Im sorry cobba,but im done here. I held great interest in this subject,as i believe you put forward a good case. But looking at the way you speak to those that i concider friends here,it's just turning me off going any further. To get to the truth,we must listen to both sides of the argument-but i feel one side has now gone.
If what i have done can help you out in any way,feel free to use it as you will.
Good luck in your quest.
Brad
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
@ TA
Im sorry cobba,but im done here. I held great interest in this subject,as i believe you put forward a good case. But looking at the way you speak to those that i concider friends here,it's just turning me off going any further.
Good luck in your quest.
Brad
I understand your position, and it is understandable. ;)
I am a rusty door to be sure in any debate. Actually however very kind and very giving in person. (Too kind and too giving actually).
Your position is correct, logical, and understood. ;)You had my respect before, during and after. (Not that you care[d])
Cheers to you and your great work.
Thumbs up. But, dont let me being a "rusty door" keep you from working in that arena and experimenting, and INVENTING...
I hope you make the next "BIG X" and make a bucket of cash!! Honestly I do. Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
To get to the truth,we must listen to both sides of the argument
Brad
But, there were never "TWO SIDES" in this thread.
There is/was
A: my premise, evidences, experiments.
Your evidences, your testing.
B: Other people flapping their lips,
that is not "ANOTHER SIDE",............
I slaughtered their
"sacred cow" of GR and QM, of "particle mysticism" ;D ;D ;D
There never was here any "two sides" :)
As I stated on page 1 here,
I'm not out to convince anyone
Theoria have you tried, or considered suspending your giant neo magnet
and letting your new solution reset while under the neo?
Might be interesting to watch.
Mike
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
@ TA
Im sorry cobba,but im done here. I held great interest in this subject,as i believe you put forward a good case. But looking at the way you speak to those that i concider friends here,it's just turning me off going any further. To get to the truth,we must listen to both sides of the argument-but i feel one side has now gone.
If what i have done can help you out in any way,feel free to use it as you will.
Good luck in your quest.
Brad
Tinman,
I believe I will have to follow suit. This could have been a pleasant process, but the OP's abusive nature is just way too difficult to deal with. We should at least be able to ask what flavor the Kool-Aid is before drinking it.
Thanks for taking the time to perform the experiments and posting your results.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 04:59:19 PM
We should at least be able to ask what flavor the kool-Aid is before drinking it.
I will quote
E. Dollard "I dont care WHAT you believe, go test and experiment yourself"
Got it? I'm not a hooker trying to win a "pretty" contest. I put it out there, like it, dont like it.
Dont careHate me, also don't care. I will continue to do the work, what you like, hate, dont like, does'nt matter.
If you DARE think I wanted to win a popularity contest / personality contest with ANYONE here, that is YOUR fault.
not mine. ;D
Quote from: mikemongo on July 22, 2014, 04:38:16 PM
Theoria have you tried, or considered suspending your giant neo magnet
and letting your new solution reset while under the neo?
Might be interesting to watch.
Mike
The Giant NEO is heavy and a dangerous beast, BUT, the giant neo has LARGE VOLUME of magnetism (N48) over a LARGE AREA
However its velocity is low, relatively, at the centrifugal edge.
Also such a HUGE magnet, has a LARGE intermediate centrifugal field between centripetal and centrifugal
It has impressive volume of magnetism, but its power is mostly around its "danger" of hurting you.
However, its volume is so large, it affects a CRT tube from 15 feet away.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 04:16:00 PM
Actually however very kind and very giving in person. (Too kind and too giving actually).
You'd have a very hard time proving this based on your many abusive posts in this thread.
It was, at least, good for a chuckle...
Quote from: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 05:12:14 PM
You'd have a very hard time proving this based on your posts in thread.
It was, at least, good for a chuckle...
You dont know me son, you never talked or met me.
Again, I really dont care. I've got some mind blowing stuff I've invented I havent even mentioned in this entire thread. And wont.
A: Im not selling ANYONE ANYTHING
B: Dont care what you think, feel, believe about me OR the work.
C: Go experiment yourself, go do the work.
D: Popularity contests are for - Hookers, Politicians, Actors, and someone you are DATING........... I am none of those.
If you wanna piss and moan about a book I gave away for free, FINE.
Still, not selling you anything, not trying to convince you of anything.Go find out for yourself.
Tinman:
Not sure if you have moved on in your set of experiments but let me suggest this:
With the electromagnet you notice that the core has what appears to be a bit less than one centimeter of exposed shaft on each end. Note that the one centimeter of exposed shaft gives you two surfaces that allow for current flow into the electrolyte, the flat top surface and the cylindrical side surface. It appears that that specific geometry for the exposed current-conducting surfaces will allow current to flow into the electrolyte in nearly the same 3D pattern as the magnetic field. In other words, the current flow vectors and the magnetic field vectors line up very nicely like this and therefore you get no vortex.
I also note that you did a clip where the magnet (I think) was wrapped in tape so only the flat top surface was exposed and you still got a vortex, but it was clearly different from the first vortex you observed. Knowing that, it would tend to suggest that if you used insulating tape on the ends of the electromagnet core such that only the top and bottom flat surfaces where exposed, then you will likely observe a vortex.
It would appear that with the electromagnet, the particular geometry was a "fluke" and you got no observable vortex. It's fascinating how geometry has come into play in such a dramatic way in this particular example.
If you are temped to make the test you may want to simply create a new thread to avoid the high-strung feeling on this thread.
MileHigh
QuoteAs a consumate expert of Platonism, translator of ancient Greek, expert on PLOTINUS, PROCLUS, DAMASCIUS, SYRIANUS, their works, and their methods, and all the various types of Skepticism, and Atomism they dealt with, I know EVERY SINGLE rancid angle you have, or WILL have , or could have.
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All that... and you still don't know how to enable your spellchecker?
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 01:35:27 AM
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All that... and you still don't know how to enable your spellchecker?
Yes, I missed an M, thanks for that wee bit of minutia that has nothing to do with anything ;)
You are correct, I don't spell check web chatter.
Since you cannot discuss the topic, I assume that is your fallback?
Spellbind us with stories like Feynman told who said IAAD (instant action at a distance) was mediated by pixie dust,.....
..pardon, rather he said "virtual photons" ;DIn all honesty son, do you really fall for the nonsense of the Cult of Quantum?
Somehow Tesla managed to squeak out a giant PILE of patents related to EM, dielectrics, and other devices without any notion of the cult of quantum and non-existent particles created ONLY to make equations balance out for Einstein's stooges.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 01:57:08 PM
Nice BS claim. Have any videos or logic or proof to backup that BS?
Ohhhhhhhhh so now Im a fucking ILLUSIONIST out to mind-scr3w people??????? ~~~~~~~~~~~Ahhhhhhhhhh Another NICE F-ing claim.
Yeah, I spent ALL those years waiting just to TRICK YOU FOLKS. STFU loser.
I do the work and experiments, I have both the logic, the proof AND THE RESULTS, you have JACK SH*T
Magic tricks my goddamn ass boy. I guess you think I mined SCR3WED TinMan too?????????? AND his video results?????
Demented POS.
I currently have 13 diff. testing METHODS, moron. Not "A TUBE" Got that son???
Son, boy, I use PLENTY OF METHODS that have NOTHING to with A: zapped magnets OR B: fluid suspensions.
Again, shut your hole. You have BS claims and NOTHING MORE, go sit and spin on them.
Yes I do, youre the fucking idiot that thinks Im an "Illusionist" out to trick people........ just like Tinman and HIS VIDEOS HE DID HIMSELF
Shut your hole.
You DONT HAVE:
logic
proof
evidence
You dont have ANYTHING to back up your half-ass claims
Illusionist, I REALLY LIKE THAT ONE................. Demented intellectual PEDOPHILE.........I KNEW given enough time, one of you demented bastards would call me a "magician / Illusionist"
I know 100% how Skepticism works, how SOPHISTRY WORKS.
As a consumate expert of Platonism, translator of ancient Greek, expert on PLOTINUS, PROCLUS, DAMASCIUS, SYRIANUS, their works, and their methods, and all the various types of Skepticism, and Atomism they dealt with, I know EVERY SINGLE rancid angle you have, or WILL have , or could have.
Youre forgetting ONE IMPORTANT FACT ASSHOLE, they are not just coming down, but coming down in a CW vortex OR a CCW vortex (depending on polarity)
That ends that horseshit.
Too bad your goddamn premise about the CRT TUBE doesn't explain CW on the centrifugal and CCW on the centripetal ON ONE FACE of the magnet !!!!!!!! ROFL !!!!!!
One could postulate it as correct if it was ALL MOVING in one direction, but not BOTH inversely at the SAME TIME
So much for that rancid BS.
You flap your fucking lips, I DO the experiments, .....and there are PLENTY MORE I have not mentioned here due to seeking potential patent rights.
You're nothing but tits on a bull, ....useless
I am very disappointed that you dont have a brain. You are yet another skeptical LOSER in the CULT OF QUANTUM.
Actually Im not, I dont give a damn ;D ;D
If I had a 10000 testing methods , youd say "ohhh, well that doesnt prove shit"
I know your type son. Ive been debating Greek Metaphysics, and translating Prakrit for almost 15 years now, and debated the BEST MINDS alive on highly abstruse topics of nonlinear inductive reasoning and complex topics in Platonic philosophy.
That translates into: "I can run circles around your ass in ANY debate you want".
However LOGIC, PROOF, RESULTS, and EXPERIMENTS matter.........the rest is just you flapping your pathetic lips
You have said somewhere that Tesla had a pile of patents. I think I remember that he accumulated hundreds.
You have confessed to having 4 .
Since you represent yourself as being SMART AS THE DEVIL, I wonder why you have only 4. Any fool with $350 US can apply for a US Utility Patent. And almost any fool can write a patent for SOMETHING that almost certainly won't be rejected. And then any fool with about $1,000 US can buy the accepted patent.
Tesla had at least 5. Or was it 6? In all the excitement I lost count myself ;).
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Quote from: CANGAS on July 23, 2014, 03:37:46 AM
Since you represent yourself as being SMART AS THE DEVIL, I wonder why you have only 4.
Dont recall having said anything about the "devil" comment to which you refer.
Maybe I was busy taking care of my wife slooowly dying over 10 years from a gleoblastoma brain tumor , of which she needed to be taken care of like a baby.
Course my wife was much much older than me (no, she didn't have money, I made it myself), she was a close close friend I married so her folks would not stick her in a care facility, therefore have legal rights for her to live at home rather than in a hospital (i.e. prison) slowly dying.
Prodigy yes (so-called by my professors at any rate), chess champ in high school and college. Former Russian translator for Govt. various groups here and there.
However I owe MOST to being well (the best) studied in lost Platonic arts of methodology, namely retroduction.
You can have the most intelligent electrical engineer on earth, that is SO smart he makes everyone else look like pond scum, but if his mental method is trash, hes not going to discover or invent anything!!!!!!!
You can read a bit about retroduction "Abduction" (problem solving / thinking methodology) in the book "Neoplatonism and Contemp. Thought".
The question then is "what the hell is the big deal"? Well its a lot. Its why Tesla got so far 'down the road'
He had the brains, the FUEL, but the high speed device was his methodological approach he inherited from Roger Boscovich and Plotinus (which Tesla did read)
Tesla said something like (paraphrasing here) ........"Poor Edison!!! All those years trying to perfect a light bulb, if he (only used my method of logic) he could have done it all in no time!!!"
Tesla , his guru Boskovich and others used a wholly lost art of retroductive thinking / approach.
useful but inferior:Deduction:I heard so and so say she dropped the needle over there, and bob said the needle was 4" long, so we know what to look for, wind speed indicates since it was dropped from 5 feet up, it should have fallen on THAT side of the haystack.
Induction:Well, theres a needle in a haystack, it was last seen over there on that side, needles are heavy, so Im going to go looking over there for it
Superior in every way: (Tesla's method)
RETRODUCTION / ABDUCTION:I know the properties of a needle, I know the properties of Hay...... watch this!
lights a match......POOOF......!! All is gone in a second in a giant flame
Theres the &@**$& needle!!!! Hay burns, metal needles dont.
Problem solved
..........(deduction and induction are still looking in the hay)
Deduction and induction are looking in a murky tub for a gold coin (wisdom, insight, invention, solution).
Retroduction says "scr3w all this nonsense" and pulls the plug and taa-daa, there's the coin.
This type of method is also called via negativa , or Apophasis. Its positing (the answer) thru RAPID negation/ elimination.
If you know the properties of ABCDEFGHIJ..........and X.........and if you are looking for X, then you literally "burn ABCDEFGHIJ into the dirt in a millisecond leaving your answer X" right in front of your feet.
All that "wonderful stuff" the writings, the architecture, the lost secrets of HOW to make things, how to discover things from "dumb people" back 5000+ years ago, (or even Tesla) has its epicenter in via negativa / apophatic / retroductive methodologies.
Tesla, IN THAT PICTURE (below), has his ONE hand on his head pointing at his brain,
and his OTHER hand on his "bible", Boskovich's work..... meaning hes 'channeling' (in a manner) this methodology of thinking to solve the problems to all his issues of his countless inventions, and fantastic stuff.
We give 100% of the credit to Tesla's Brain-Power in his creations / inventions........ really its more like 40%, the 60% IS this/that methodology.
There are some really really intelligent folks with brain power (fuel) out there,.....but their methodological approach to looking at a problem/ invention is literally driving a Yugo, or some broken down old Buick ;D ;D
When I worked at Lexmark tech support long time ago, 20+ years ago, all my peers hated my guts, my problem solving "time per call of problem diagnosis" on high end complex business printers was typically 5X less than everyone else.
The managers kept monitoring my calls to wonder how the h3ll I was diagnosing 2000+ part business printers so much faster than everyone else was.
It really is that methodology.
You draw a circle around the problems, and move divergently AWAY from the problem, which is itself a CONVERGENCE to the center , the answer, thru DIvergence from the problems.
You can have DIvergent thoughts leading you from the center, the answer,...... looking for "a BILLION WAYS NOT TO MAKE A LIGHTBULB" (Sorry Edison, but you were a tinkering MORON!!!)
Great, you spend ENDLESS years eliminating the circle just to see/realize the center, which is very dumb.
Or you can realize the nature of ABCDEFG, the circle...... and have DIvergent thoughts FROM the circle (the non-answer) which is , logically necessitated to be so, CONVERGENT thoughts quickly bringing to to the center of the circle, the answer, the solution.
Divergent elimination is CONvergent synthesis (answers, solutions, discovery, invention).
Generically we think of 'divergent' as having useless thoughts going everywhere, but a different kind of divergence is used eliminatively to create a CONvergent 'mental vacuum' of comprehension into the answer of things we seek.
Edison was whacking weeds to invent........ Tesla ,mentally, was throwing gas on the BS and burning it leaving him with the answer.
This is HOW and WHY Tesla invented SO MUCH
and Edison invented , well, not so much
You CANNOT do GOOD invention / discovery like Edison did (why the hell not? He invented a LOT) , because, for the same reasons Teslas trashed it.
its whacking weeds, creatively, its a time wasting , a mere TINKERING.
You want a solution, you mentally throw GAS and burn everything you know its not, and you're left with what it IS. However that really doesnt even fully describe it.
Its a methodology of pure Platonic synthesis. People have the brains and ignore the method. He11, method is 60% or more of the battle.
All Teslas (most) photos are staged, and the MOST STAGED photo of Tesla, he has his hand on "HIS BIBLE", >>>>>>>THEORY OF NATURAL PHILOSOPHY by Roger Bosckovich<<<<. (see pic below)
BOOK IS FREE HERE:
https://archive.org/details/theoryofnaturalp00boscrich
i.e. "Teslas Bible".........careful reading it however, it will make your brain POP
If any of you claim to grasp Tesla WITHOUT having read "his bible", you're just spitting against the wind.The principles of field convergence / divergence, vector modalities, Platonic retroductive analysis etc etc. That space IS NOTHING, is only an attribute of a field (my next paper) are all within "Tesla's bible".
You must must must read it to grasp Tesla.
Smart people "read the master(s) work"
The smarter people are reading "the reading material OF THE master".
posts crossed on the way. my post deleted.
Quote from: CANGAS on July 23, 2014, 04:05:29 AM
Why is your response post so short whereas the "quote" of your post so much longer? One more of your clever tricks?
If you read the above, you will see NO tricks. I see you didn't even read ANY of it.
Kudos selective vision I assume
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 23, 2014, 04:07:40 AM
If you read the above, you will see NO tricks. I see you didn't even read ANY of it. Kudos
selective vision I assume
You assume way the Hell too much and actually know way the Hell too little.
You dumb bastard, I read your post when it was one paragraph, QUOTED it to write a reply. When I saw that you had expanded your post to epic proportions I realized that you had apparently mouse-trapped me. So I erased my post because it was then a non-sequitur.
Many years, actually, decades ago, I was sometimes given to tripping on mental flights of fancy such as your free-wheeling posts. I covered all the important points you have written about and finally realized that they were all essentially meaningless. After the way you have unjustly insulted me, I will piss on your face before I will explain anything that would be helpful to you.
You poor fellow. You are the only man on Earth that has ever been hobbled by unavoidable burdens put upon you by external forces. SOB SOB.
Your silly theorizing seems to be a simplistic rehash of Penrose spinors circa 1950s or whenever. In all the excitement I lost count myself. If you ever manage to invent some useful device that really can help all of humanity then wake me up. So far you sound like you are just one more blathering egomaniacal moron.
CANGAS 59
Quote from: CANGAS on July 23, 2014, 04:39:33 AM
etc etc etc
CANGAS 59
You just talked a lot, just above......, but said nothing of relevance upon the thread, or the above post on the retroductive methodology of Tesla and genuine experimenters.
I don't fall for fallacies or red herrings. Insert 25 cents and try again.
Results, experiments, and logic matter. The rest is just noise.
But, I have replied to the topic. I have denied the worth of anything you have written. And you have failed to show how anything you have written can substantially help the human civilization.
Any observed physical phenomena can be modeled in actually unlimited models. Magnetic forces can be modeled by an unlimited number of specific models. Yours is just one more. What is the difference?
Now go back where you came from. Where you don't get too chilly.
CANGAS 60
Quote from: CANGAS on July 23, 2014, 04:58:49 AM
But, I have replied to the topic. I have denied the worth of anything you have written. And you have failed to show how anything you have written can substantially help the human civilization.
Any observed physical phenomena can be modeled in actually unlimited models. Magnetic forces can be modeled by an unlimited number of specific models. Yours is just one more. What is the difference?
CANGAS 60
And I can deny the earth is round too,..... how is such insanity different than your baseless nonsense son?
Yes, if it were so easy, someone would have done it by now, .....but nobody did.
One more what son? There is not another even half as specific.
Magnetic forces? You meant to say fields. Forces are dynamic extrapolations between two or more fields or objects.
Forces are resultants from posterior interactions.
Go back to school please.
Too many teenagers in this thread.
QuoteMaybe I was busy taking care of my wife slooowly dying over 10 years from a gleoblastoma brain tumor , of which she needed to be taken care of like a baby.
Now you have committed a mortal sin, in addition to not being able to spell the disease you claim your wife died from.
From the WIKI:
QuoteGlioblastoma multiforme (GBM), WHO classification name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHO_classification_of_the_tumors_of_the_central_nervous_system) "glioblastoma", is the most common and most aggressive malignant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant) primary brain tumor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_tumor) in humans, involving glial cells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glial_cell) and accounting for 52% of all functional tissue brain tumor cases and 20% of all intracranial tumors. GBM is rare, with incidence of 2–3 cases per 100,000[clarification needed] in Europe and North America. It presents two variants: giant cell glioblastoma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_cell_glioblastoma) and gliosarcoma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliosarcoma).
Treatment can involve chemotherapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemotherapy), radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation) and surgery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery). Median survival with standard-of-care radiation and chemotherapy with temozolomide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temozolomide) is 15 months.[1] Median survival without treatment is 4½ months. Although no randomized controlled trials have been done, surgery remains the standard of care.[2]
There are probably no cases of survival past five years from diagnosis for glio. There are mis-diagnoses, but no survivors. Ten years? You are trading on your wife's disease (if you even ever were married) for sympathy and excuses, and you are probably lying about it to boot.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 05:54:55 AM
Now you have committed a mortal sin, in addition to not being able to spell the disease you claim your wife died from.
From the WIKI:There are probably no cases of survival past five years from diagnosis for glio. There are mis-diagnoses, but no survivors. Ten years? You are trading on your wife's disease (if you even ever were married) for sympathy and excuses, and you are probably lying about it to boot.
The mortal sin was comitted by YOURSELF.
Yes, we call it a "glio" for short. Or a glioblastoma (multiform)
Yes, I accidently spelled it "gleoblastoma", .....Ive been awake for almost 48 hours running TIME SENSITIVE experiments.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 05:54:55 AM
There are probably no cases of survival past five years from diagnosis for glio.
Actually, ASSHOLE, her surgeon, after 8 years told us she was only 1 out of 10 he knew of that survived that long......You were close, but still dead wrong.
You pathetic POS, I KNOW goddamn well that something like 98% never make it past 1-3 years.
She was a PT at St. Marys Hospital in San Francisco......and ask for the PHYSICAL THERAPY Dept. and ask about the late Denise K Anderson (my wife)
She worked there for years, and collapsed in HER OWN hospital, and was operated on in the very same hospital.
Im calling you on this one, you demented vile POS
below is a pic of her with my pet cockatoo, see that scar on the right side of head, where there is no hair, where they removed the grapefruit sized tumor.
Maybe you want the marriage and death certificate too? Call me a liar again, son.
Yes, she lived 10 years and 2 months AFTER the removal of the tumor. See her crippled left hand, her left side only had about 10% function because of the giant tumor removed from her head.
What was that BS about me lying again???Quote from: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 05:54:55 AM
and you are probably lying about it to boot.
Thats your foot in your mouth right now, slimebag
Dated below marriage certificate,.......See how her signature is all messed up? Brain tumor, she was left handed, which was ruined after the tumor removal
See the date on the cert? She signed this long after the tumor removal She died only few years ago, proving she lived 10 years WITH the diagnosis of the glio brain tumor , a glioblastoma multiforme
Now, you're 100% refuted, period. Congrats on being proven a goddamn liar
I'm sorry to hear that you lost your lovely wife, I know what you must have been
through.
My then ten year old daughter had just won a cup at a pony event and afterwards
went to stay with her granny. I had a phone call to say she was very ill in a local
hospital.
The doctors were discussing the case and I said to the surgeon"it's bad then?"
to which he replied "it's worse than that". I rang my mum but I was so upset I
couldn't even speak on the phone.
Looking back the only clue that something was wrong was that she bumped
into a lady in a shop and she didn't seem aware of what she'd done. The answer
was that she was loosing her sight.
Have you read Cancer Ward by Solzenhitsyn? The translators have done a
wonderful job.
John.
My sincerest sympathies Ken.
This was a very sad reminder of the end suffered by my favorite aunt Rita, who had the type of soul that could never get angry.
To the person who first tried to smear you as a criminal, now this...a new low for the Tinsel Koala entity.
Regards...
TK
I've been taking care of a very sick wife for 18 years. Your comments are way below the belt. Do us all a favour and stay away. I have lost all respect for you.
TA
You have my respect and admiration as a man and as a generous scholar. Nisi illegitimi carburundum.
Bob
You have no idea about my own illnesses or the friends and loved ones I have lost myself, because I DO NOT MENTION THEM HERE. Think about that. The Tattooed Genius has more than once used his wife's illness as an excuse for something he could not do or to tell us how much he has suffered in his "research" or whatever. So it's fair game for comment criticism and discussion. I don't give a flying fuck if people I DO NOT RESPECT similarly disrespect me, and the person who uses their own illnesses or especially the illnesses of their loved ones as some kind of excuse -- is putting themselves out for exactly what they have received from me. Challenging the facts and the claims.
My own experience with losing a loved one to glioblastoma, and others to AIDS, are stories that one or two of the posters on this forum know about, and this is the only time I have mentioned it publicly. Ditto with my own death-defying brushes with illness and my own disabilities, poverty and whatever. They are simply not valid topics for discussion and they are especially not valid excuses, as the Tattooed Genius has used his wife's illness and his devotion to her. And that is why I posted the reference to longterm survival. It is far more likely that her tumor was not actually glioblastoma, than that she survived for ten years, and this is an actual medical opinion.
And posting those photos? Think about that for a while. That is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on this website. Not because of her image, but because, once again, TA is USING HER ILLNESS for his own purposes.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 05:54:55 AM
Now you have committed a mortal sin, in addition to not being able to spell the disease you claim your wife died from.
From the WIKI:There are probably no cases of survival past five years from diagnosis for glio. There are mis-diagnoses, but no survivors. Ten years? You are trading on your wife's disease (if you even ever were married) for sympathy and excuses, and you are probably lying about it to boot.
tinsel shi* you are a real piece of excrement. you qualify as the lowest form of life i've ever seen on the internet. unbelievable !!!!!!!!!!!! you are obviously a very sore loser. you can't come up with anything that doesn't get blown out of the water by theoria so you stoop to this kind of crap. calling him out for a one letter misspelling on a disease that slowly took his wife's life? i can't think of bad enough words to describe such a pos as you. mold is a higher form of life than you. it's an insult to mold to even compare you to it. FU
The truth of the matter actually is that TA "used his wife's illness" to defend himself from another scurrilous accusation from TK.
And...if he did not - then he would have been labeled a liar for the next ten posts or so by a host of forum dingos.
While TK used the illness of someone else merely to attempt to do some damage control to try to salvage whatever credibility he had left, which he just ran through the shredder.
Regards...
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 09:37:34 AM
The Genius has more than once used his wife's illness as an excuse
I mentioned her once in passing, and secondly as a half-joke premise FOR WHY I have been too busy. Pathetic
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 09:37:34 AM
It is far more likely that her tumor was not actually glioblastoma, than that she survived for ten years, and this is an actual medical opinion.
Well suuuuuure, Im sure that the TWO LABS used (yes, two) to confirm it as a NASTY Glioblastoma tumor were WRONG,
and your wild ass guess is RIGHT ??!!!Thats REAL SCIENCE ehhh? YOUR GUESS vs. 2 LABSQuote from: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 09:37:34 AM
And posting those photos? Think about that for a while. That is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on this website. Not because of her image, but because, once again, TA is USING HER ILLNESS for his own purposes.
How does that work SON?
I posted the photos to PROVE you are >>>>>>>>> A: a LIAR, and >>>>>>>>> B: DISPROVE you calling me a liar <<<<<<
Im not SELLING anything to anyone here in case you forgot....., ****pretty damn sure my dead wife has NOTHING AT ALL to do with magnetism**** or the work I stand behind, NOR DID I CLAIM IT DID. I recall making ONE reference to my wife ( I could have made 2, but 1 was an answer to a question), .......>>I DONT RECALL using her as a support system for my work<<.........
what kind of INSANITY IS THAT????????Heres your FINAL PROOF, since (like a true Skeptic) you always need "mooooooore proof" of something. Heres her badge from her job,
sitting on top of her ASHESMaybe I invented that too??, since you're the second person to accuse me of being an illusionist / hoaxer .
@theoriaApophis
Thoughts about the SEG?
http://www.overunity.com/5614/searl-effect-generator-seg-and-inverse-gravity-vehicle-igv/#.U9ADSvldV48 (http://www.overunity.com/5614/searl-effect-generator-seg-and-inverse-gravity-vehicle-igv/#.U9ADSvldV48)
actually that's a pertty poor intro...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKu4U8IO2V4&list=UUxIcRDPZUB3BtYEXLUUyxeA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKu4U8IO2V4&list=UUxIcRDPZUB3BtYEXLUUyxeA)
Quote from: tinman on July 22, 2014, 01:42:05 AM
What i need is a big 2 or 3 inch neo to do these test with-that would look awsome. But as per usual,i cant get one that size here in OZ-all out of stock apparently lol.
Tinman,
I have 24 3"x2" in the cupboard. I've got some bigger ones but I'm using them. You're welcome to "borrow" most of what I have for testing if you don't break it or yourself
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 09:37:34 AM
You have no idea about my own illnesses or the friends and loved ones I have lost myself, because I DO NOT MENTION THEM HERE. Think about that. The Tattooed Genius has more than once used his wife's illness as an excuse for something he could not do or to tell us how much he has suffered in his "research" or whatever. So it's fair game for comment criticism and discussion. I don't give a flying fuck if people I DO NOT RESPECT similarly disrespect me, and the person who uses their own illnesses or especially the illnesses of their loved ones as some kind of excuse -- is putting themselves out for exactly what they have received from me. Challenging the facts and the claims.
My own experience with losing a loved one to glioblastoma, and others to AIDS, are stories that one or two of the posters on this forum know about, and this is the only time I have mentioned it publicly. Ditto with my own death-defying brushes with illness and my own disabilities, poverty and whatever. They are simply not valid topics for discussion and they are especially not valid excuses, as the Tattooed Genius has used his wife's illness and his devotion to her. And that is why I posted the reference to longterm survival. It is far more likely that her tumor was not actually glioblastoma, than that she survived for ten years, and this is an actual medical opinion.
And posting those photos? Think about that for a while. That is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on this website. Not because of her image, but because, once again, TA is USING HER ILLNESS for his own purposes.
I normally won't get involved in a dispute on a forum because to be frank, internet personae don't mean anything without the time you've invested in them.
It's just plain silly to forget the basic fact that you're all upset about the time you've invested into this forum not being "recognised" by someone that's new and simply doesn't feel the same way about the internet.
TA is overexcited because he sees the possibilities for future avenues of science. He probably doesn't understand the correlation between the time you guys have invested and probably just doesn't care if you're offended.
That being said; I have a sister that has suffered with the same condition that was given 5 years also. She's just turned 22 and was diagnosed at 14. I also have a daughter with Cystic Fibrosis that has a life expectancy of 25.
I was hit by a car traveling at 100k/h on my motorbike and now suffer more pain than most can even contemplate and avoid ALL communication with the outside world for THEIR safety. IE: If someone cuts me off or were stupid enough to do something wrong to me it would be a very bad day for them.
In other words, time is more valuable than money. Patience is something I just don't have anymore and stupidity is likely to direct you to the hospital if you're around me because the world made me hurt so (if you believe in such things) god help you if you do something wrong by me.
Moving forward:
I understand TA's position and have very little patience for people myself. All he has asked everyone on this forum is to read a 100ish page book, give it some of your valuable time and if you have ideas / concerns or want to discuss it he's available.
Not that hard really.....
PS:
I intentionally put spelling mistakes in.
Derailing someone is easy. Understanding someone else's position is hard.
There are many scientists that lost valuable positions in science because of the exact attitudes that have been shown here. It's amazing that most on this forum can't seem to realise that we're the only ones interested in bringing about "new energy" "free energy" ideas and giving them to the public. If we don't work with each other, it's never going to happen until it can be controlled, or the population can be controlled.
Putting resources toward an interest is the main reason people want to "earn" (money) TA might want to be "in charge" of funneling some of that money toward cancer research? No one knows another persons intentions.
Excitement isn't an excuse to push people away though. Which is all I can see he's done. (He doesn't want people to get too close, anyone can see it)
Quote from: john_doe on July 23, 2014, 09:11:49 PM
In other words, time is more valuable than money. Patience is something I just don't have anymore and stupidity is likely to direct you to the hospital if you're around me because the world made me hurt so (if you believe in such things) god help you if you do something wrong by me.
Moving forward:
I understand TA's position and have very little patience for people myself. All he has asked everyone on this forum is to read a 100ish page book, give it some of your valuable time and if you have ideas / concerns or want to discuss it he's available.
Everyone has been thru the "meat grinder" of life differently, some not at all, some a lot.....etc.
Just because someone is a grumpy asshole on a web forum doesn't mean that is who they are at all.
All those cruel sadistic SOB that end up in jail because there were "bodies found" etc in their basement, etc...........
Neighbors always say on the TV news....... "Ohhh, he was such a good neighbor, SO KIND"
Its the "nice / kind people" I trust the least, often they're two-faced as hell. ;D
Theo A came here presenting a sizable volume of research and was immediately confronted with this forums worst nitpicker knowitall and naysayer, who presented nothing but antagonistic needling, followed by others of his kind and an assortment of gullible followers duped into drinking their kool aid...one of which finally saw the value in what TA was saying and decided to try something.
And what do you know, he made a significant discovery.
TA quote:
" I am not part of the "free energy" crowd of fools and nut jobs, and genuine overunity is impossible. One might get "overunity" by drawing enormous power from natural sourced, but thats just "free movement" coupling.
I never mention free energy, or alternative energy, or overunity etc etc. "
Until recently, I personally believed that that 'free energy' from the ether was attainable.
That is not to say my position was not open to change when presented with reason to question my position by someone demonstrating an unusual degree of knowledge and experience...otherwise I would be offended by that judgement, and become just another ego driven guy arguing my position, and being called 'son' by someone likely younger than I.
Oh, the ignominy !
Knowing when to shut up and listen is the key to learning.
And unless people are allowed to freely express their ideas nothing will be learned.
I am also aware of Tesla's statement regarding connecting with the wheel work of nature, and until recently failed to realize that my idea of free energy wasn't actually free at all...it just needed a small input to start the wheel work moving.
Position modified...there is no free energy...but there is really really really cheap energy.
Now maybe we can get something done...together !
Regards...
It's a good thing to challenge ideas, and that's a two-way street. But the notion that challenging someone's ideas automatically shuts down what they are doing is false. If someone is passionate and knowledgeable about their subject then they should be able to defend their position without a freak-out or playing one of many "cards" that can be played.
Likewise if someone presents themselves as some kind of high-thinker or some kind of authority on a subject, or they present themselves as someone very knowledgeable about some kind of new area of study in a given field, then they are clearly suggesting that they know what they are talking about. If you suspect that they don't know what they are talking about and it's all a sham, then a few litmus test questions can reveal a lot about the person presenting the proposition. Are they real or is it all just peacock strutting nonsense?
Take the example of "Fix the World" and the Quantum Energy Generator. The whole thing is complete nonsense. James Robitaille was presented to the world as some kind of electrical engineering genius inspired by Tesla. However, his paper trail has shown that to clearly be a FAKE.
Take the example of Daniel Nunez and selling his bird's next coils for $300-$600 a pop. All that you have to do, with the caveat that you must know your stuff, is watch a few Nunez clips and you quickly realize that he is totally clueless, he is a FAKE. He just wants an easy way to make money.
Take the example of the "Quanta Magnetics" guy. He builds beautiful pulse/Bedini motors that do nothing special and he charges a fortune for them. But yet again, he is totally clueless and has no idea what he is doing or how the motors he builds actually work. He just wants a way to make easy money.
Daniel Nunez and the Quanta Magnetics guy would croak if they were asked any serious questions about what they are doing. Yet it's arguable that both of them have a leadership role and many people look up to them.
And you have seen the same pattern on this forum. Somebody has a "wild" new proposition. Okay, let's do some due diligence and ask them a few questions. If they croak when they get the questions then you know there is a serious problem.
We can't just swim in ignorance like a bunch of Bozo fish on dope. It helps people that don't know one way or the other to learn from the discussion.
It's like how many people can possibly keep track of what the best motherboard and memory is if you want to build a high-end PC. Do you spend a week reading online trying to figure it all out or do you call up your unbiased friend that builds PCs on a regular basis?
So those are some of the issues to consider. I have qualified this thread and the person behind it and it's a farce. Farce or not, many people have left the thread from the constant abuse.
This thread has nowhere to go because there is no substance behind it. Whether it is just pure buffonery for the sake of ego or if it is sincere but ridiculously misdirected "research" is hard to tell. Either way, rational comments about the truth behind the matter contribute real value to this forum. The nitpicking is coming from the other side of the fence.
You can always cast your eyes to the side if it suits you.
MileHigh
QuoteAnd what do you know, he made a significant discovery.
Tinman has not discovered anything at all. He is just exploring how current flow and magnetic fields interact and having fun doing it. You insult science when you make stupid or ignorant statements like that.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 23, 2014, 11:27:19 PM
Take the example of Daniel Nunez and selling his bird's next coils for $300-$600 a pop.
Take the example of the "Quanta Magnetics" guy. He builds beautiful pulse/Bedini motors that do nothing special and he charges a fortune for them.
You SEE me trying to SELL ANYTHING HERE? NO
Will I ? NO and DOUBLE NOQuote from: MileHigh on July 23, 2014, 11:27:19 PM
This thread has nowhere to go because there is no substance behind it.
100,000 % Bullshit TinMan got "inspired" of/regarding into about conjugate magnetic vortex,...............and came up with new stuff INSTANTLY
I have sitting in the back 'wings' here multiple potential patents, and 2 "100% certain patents"
There is an ENTIRELY NEW transmission device based upon the
Z-axis radial dielectric modulation (as I mention at the end of the book) by another person WHO ALREADY HAS A PATENT on the device
I was just on the phone with him today for almost 2 hours.
He already owns 8 patents. He has MORE CRED than ALL OF YOU PUT TOGETHER
So,
TRIPLE BULLSHIT on your last.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 23, 2014, 11:28:36 PM
Tinman has not discovered anything at all.
Nice CLAIM, but regardless of being wrong about Tinman............I however have, but unlike his kind heart, I'm not disclosing unfolding immanent patents online to anyone.
....and the other (I will not name him) person I was on the phone with just some hours ago, he DOES HAVE A just-received PATENT based upon magnetic deflection of a radial dielectric in TEM
You insult science and experimenters / inventors when you make stupid or ignorant statements like that.
Who says you have to sell anything for money? If you are not asking for money does that give someone legitimacy?
The answer is no, whether or not you are selling something is not relevant - what is relevant is what you are stating and if it makes sense or not.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 23, 2014, 11:41:15 PM
If you are not asking for money does that give someone legitimacy?
Tell me boy,
WHEN did YOU become the "printing press" for the currency of LEGITIMACY ??? ;D
Yeah, thats right,... you're petting your knob with that premise.
Heres a mental image, you and me in front of a crowd,.......Im debating the premise of magnetic centrifugal and centripetal vortex field conjugation
You, against same....
I have the logic, LOTS of physical models, and testing equipment for the crowd to see,
LOTS, and some not even mentioned here.
What do you have?
So far only this: "hes wrong"I dont gamble, but I'd bet the farm on the outcome of that conference.
I am encouraging Tinman to do what he is doing. Picowatt explained why there was no Lorentz force on the water to get it to form a vortex in the case of the solenoid. That will likely be confirmed through good experiments soon. That took the wind out of your victory jig.
There is no insulting of science going on - you saw good science the other day while we discussed the possibilities and explored possible explanations and suggested new tests - while you sat mute on the sidelines - another litmus test in action.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 23, 2014, 11:47:49 PM
That will likely be confirmed through good experiments soon.
Radical Skepticism: A "good experiment" is only one in which the outcome AGREES with the skeptics long held (FALSEHOODS) and deeply cherished conclusions.
I have seen and mastered every trick you've "got". The Greeks mastered all the divergent agendas planted within
fallacies and sophistry. Study of same is the best "weapon" in dealing with nonsense.
Never tangle with someone who can see thru all modes of fallacies
Your sacred cow , GR and QM (the cult of quantum) is a fantasy.
Its a mental fahrt of Einstein and his ilk Einstein in his insanity committed the fallacy of
ATTRIBUTE REIFICATIONHis premise is that SPACE is "something" that 'does things' and "acts on things" ...... it doesn't.
Fields, charge-discharge, divergent-convergent, spatial-counterspatial
Nature doesnt "do" relativity.
C squared is only an expression of the conjugate nature between magnetism and dielectricity in electrification
watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTwBVgZw
QuoteHeres a mental image, you and me in front of a crowd,.......Im debating the premise of magnetic centrifugal and centripetal vortex field conjugation
Here is a mental image: You have a circuit that consists of a power supply and a single component. You are asked a question about the circuit with a single solitary component and you can't answer it - another big litmus test fail.
"I discuss my new theory of magnetism but I am unable to solve a simple question about a ridiculously simple circuit that involves magnetism."
That's the likely result based on qualifying you.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 23, 2014, 11:56:18 PM
Here is a mental image: You have a circuit
Thats called the
"home arena fallacy"Again, dont tangle with someone who can see thru your BS. It doesn't work.
Edison asked Einstein what the speed of sound was, Einstein did'nt know.
Edison said that Einstein must be a fool not to know something so common.
Home arena my ass. Everything is pointing to the likelihood that you would croak just like you croaked with every single other litmus test question I asked you. You are unable to demonstrate competence in this subject matter.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 24, 2014, 12:03:01 AM
Home arena my ass. Everything is pointing to the likelihood that you would croak just like you croaked with every single other litmus test question I asked you. You are unable to demonstrate competence in this subject matter.
Yes, you are king of a nutshell, nothing exists outside that shell.
Keep hocking your wares to the dumb people. Wooden nickels dont work in this slot machine.
You are scared because you don't want to show the world how you can't even answer a question about a simple circuit with a power supply and a single component.
"Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift."
Never has one 'known' so much and accomplished so little...well nothing actually.
Regards...
Quote from: MilesHigher on July 24, 2014, 12:08:44 AM
You are scared because you don't want to show the world how you can't even answer a question about a simple circuit with a power supply and a single component.
"Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift."
Miles,
Some of your utterances are simply inexplicable! You're
obviously a mature man with what seems a childish
sense of superiority blended with a profound fear of
being perceived as less knowledgeable than your
adversaries.
Or, should we say, your "targets?"
Why you expend so much energy in pursuit of drama
is an intriguing proposition, to say the least.
This discussion has proven to be exceedingly fascinating
both from a technical/scientific standpoint as well as the
human relations standpoint.
It is refreshing to observe an experimenter who is well
learned in the arts and who is able to fend off his attackers
brilliantly.
The conversation is reminiscent of those on a clear summer's
eve under starry skies with calm seas when sailors gather
on the fantail to tell "sea-stories." To a casual observer
it would seem that the participants were bitter enemies
but in truth are the best of friends. Sailors have a keen sense
of bullshit detection and any who come on with bum scuttlebutt
are lambasted with most colorful and creative invective.
Such is the life of men who go to sea.
Those were the days...
Quote from: MileHigh on July 23, 2014, 11:47:49 PM
I am encouraging Tinman to do what he is doing. Picowatt explained why there was no Lorentz force on the water to get it to form a vortex in the case of the solenoid. That will likely be confirmed through good experiments soon. That took the wind out of your victory jig.
There is no insulting of science going on - you saw good science the other day while we discussed the possibilities and explored possible explanations and suggested new tests - while you sat mute on the sidelines - another litmus test in action.
Actually, picowatt explained nothing. I did however make a testable speculation, and Tinman was kind enough to perform an experiment regarding that.
I was intrigued by the vortex/no-vortex experiment using a PM and EM. I believe there are an entire series of experiments that can be performed to further study why there was spin with the PM and not the EM. However, I do not believe that the observed differences regarding the spin/vortex between the PM and EM "proves" anything regarding the OP's claims. Further testing regarding the observed differences between the PM and EM may, or may not, in the end lend support to those claims, but until then, all one can state with any certainty is merely what is observed under the conditions present at the time of the experiments. There remains far too many untested variables to draw any conclusions.
Tinman was kind enough to perform the tests that he did, and although the observed spins using the PM seem readily explainable by conventional theory, further testing might change that opinion. However, the PM versus EM differences seemed the most easy to work with, as the effect was readily observable and repeatable. As Tinman seemed willing to do a test now and again, we might actually have progressed towards a further understanding of those observed differences. The entire process and discussions could have been a pleasant and possibly enlightening exercise.
However, this has got to be the ugliest thread anyone has seen in a long time, and there have been some doozies in the past. Some areas of discussion that this thread has swung into are just unbelievable. The level of personal attacks, unfounded accusations, condescension, overuse of bold and outright disrespect are just way off the charts. The whole thread should be pasted over to a psych forum as fodder for discussion there.
It really is quite ridiculous. Is this the humanity we wish to save?
But hey, no worries, the Holocene/6th Great extinction marches on...
PW
If it is supposed that a permanent magnet has a magnetic vortex then I suppose it must be a kinetic structure.
And as such, if it was in fact true then we should be able to place a coil at some angle to a permanent magnet pole
and it should produce an emf all on it's own.
Or is there two opposing vortices at each pole ? So that one cancels the effect of the other. As per Walter Russell.
And by the way why not cite his work ?
I must say that using fluids and disregarding fluid dynamics as well as other than magnetic forces/effects at play is not very scientific.
In my opinion the only real way to show definitively a magnetic vortex from a magnet pole would be to take the fluids out of the
situation, including air or as much air as possible and use high speed photography to catch a sequence of images showing
snapshots of a vortex in action.
Does my picture below count as intertwined vortices ? It requires appropriate positioning of the break out point in relation to the
toroid terminal to get the effect going well.
..
Quote from: Farmhand on July 24, 2014, 05:07:44 AM
..
Magnetism is radiation by definition.
its the conjugate necessitated discharge co-eternal principle of dielectricity AND the terminus of electricity.
But , as IS ABSOLUTE FACT,
Phi x Psi = Q, Electricity , being an Ether modality is the Ether in dynamic polarization, AS SUCH it is more accurate to say that , rather than Electricity TERMINATING INTO Magnetism, it is correct to say that Electricity loses its charging nature, or half-component of dielecticity due to:
A: dissipation
B: coil formations ....induction,
etc.
That BOTH electricity and gravity mass have MUTUAL co-principles of
BOTH dielectricity AND magnetism is NO coincidence, they are both the by-products of magneto-dielectricity in formation (and degeneration) .......(chart below).
Harvesting the pressure velocities (at the centrifugal point) of magnetism, Im afraid, is like squeezing a balloon in a PINCH, you got MORE on one end, hurray, but less on the other, the field pressure mediation is instant and unavoidable.
Maxwell called magnetism the "field of dielectricity"Dielectricity in discharge = magnetism
Discharge = polarization = radiation = space (itself) = divergence
All generation must terminate, that termination MUST be curvilinear, circular
necessitated curvilinear discharge is only due to both charge and discharge operating on (rather off) the same universal fulcrum, the Ether itself sans perturbation.
Why cant people make things simple , Space is the product of discharge, of radiation, of magnetism which gives volume to the entire universe.
Electricity NOR dielectricity give any VOLUME (=polarization) to any part of the universe, Even in galactic formations where the fundamental particle is created, its spin immediately produces its atomic volume in picometers due to discharge/magnetism/polarization/space (all one and the same thing)
All magnetism is necessitated radiation, is divergent, Gravity/mass is
HALF dielectric and HALF magnetism, which is
why it is spatially accumulative but counterspatial in field. Electricity is HALF dielectric, and HALF magnetism, which is why it is
spatially polarized and but counterspatial in principle
Ether is the Ether is the Ether, ;D ;D........to claim magnetism, gravity, dielectricity and electricity as 4 wholly DIFFERENT things (ultimately) , is
senseless and impossible. If ORIGAMI /paper can teach you anything, you can turn mere paper into either a deadly weapon, or something soft enough to wipe your nuggets with.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on July 24, 2014, 02:25:22 AM
Miles,
Some of your utterances are simply inexplicable! You're
obviously a mature man with what seems a childish
sense of superiority blended with a profound fear of
being perceived as less knowledgeable than your
adversaries.
Or, should we say, your "targets?"
Why you expend so much energy in pursuit of drama
is an intriguing proposition, to say the least. .........................
You are too kind in your summation of what you are observing.
The nature of the attacks on Ken look more like the works of paid disinformation agents. After all why would a creative person
spend his time instead of developing his own work trying to demolish someone else's? This also applies to people who have
no thought of their own. The word jealousy comes to mind.
OK-well i said i was out,but this deserves to be right here.
Tonight i have confirmed that there is two vortex spins that are opposite to one another. So in my case(my setup as seen in video)the right hand rule dosnt seem to apply to one of the two situations of my setup. Im not sure that this would be the case in a standard homopolar motor setup,but in the water test setup of mine,i can (with out a doubt) confirm that there is defently two spins that apose one another. This seems to confirm TA's picture below.
I think this one is the money shot guy's.Maybe it's time to open your minds.
I am uploading the video now,and will post it here in this thread as soon as it's done. In the mean time,i am going to the work shop,and shooting another video with fixed magnets. First will be with the tape around the magnet,and then i will remove the tape,and run the test again.I will also use a compass to show the field is the same,and a volt meter so as you can see the polarity hasnt been changed.
Quote from: tinman on July 24, 2014, 06:51:17 AM
I think this one is the money shot guy's.Maybe it's time to open your minds.
I am uploading the video now,and will post it here in this thread as soon as it's done. In the mean time,i am going to the work shop,and shooting another video with fixed magnets. First will be with the tape around the magnet,and then i will remove the tape,and run the test again.I will also use a compass to show the field is the same,and a volt meter so as you can see the polarity hasnt been changed.
Awesome work!!!!
Great stuff.
As a note, I keep forgetting that most everyone looks at polarization TOP DOWN rather than how I always look at spin direction which is HOW it is (before it breaks the surface) leaving....., which is from the 'inside OUT' on a magnet, so I need to amend that picture to avoid confusion. ;D
N pole is CCW looking down, from HOW it LEAVES the magnet itself , it is CW ........as such, to avoid ANY confusion, I amended that diagram. >>>>
Quote from: tinman on July 24, 2014, 06:51:17 AM
You really wanna blow your mind, ;D ;D ;D :o ......(yes, Rawles and Davis reported on this 30 years ago)
Watch how much faster SEEDS sprout and grow if placed on top of a LARGE MAGNET SOUTH POLE than on the north pole.
North pole growing Alfalfa sprouts sprout SLOWER, WEAKER, and more PUNY than South Pole exposed alfalfa ..........(just one example)
HOW RADICAL a difference you ask? >>>>>>>>>>> A LOT <<<<<<<<<<<<I have done the experiment many times, heres yet another example pictured below Im doing.
Think Im lying, anyone here TRY IT YOURSELF.......... always works.......see pic below,
UNDER THE CLOTH (you cannot see) is a big 2 inch by 2 inch by 1 inch magnet
You cannot really tell at this angle, but the GREEN (south pole) spouts have a LOT more volume and are more robust and bigger, and when they start growing,
the first 2 days, they are ALLLLLLLWAYS much faster
(a LOT FASTER)And..............if you expose tomato seeds to the North pole for a couple days (before planting), you end up with tomatoes that have VERY LOW ACID content. (test it yourself).
I know the reason WHY this happens (and have proof) in seeds and plants, but I wont publish it until the 3rd edition of the book. ;D
whoops, duplicate post
Opposite spins shown here in this video.
Please remember-we are looking at MY setup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n358gtR7gr8
Here's a visually stimulating image of the big magnet we live on that clearly shows the accretion disc.
Map of all the tropical cyclones from 1985-2005, courtesy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_tropical_cyclone_tracks-edit2.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_tropical_cyclone_tracks-edit2.jpg)
Quote from: tinman on July 24, 2014, 09:15:19 AM
Opposite spins shown here in this video.
Please remember-we are looking at MY setup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n358gtR7gr8
Tinman,
i did not know if you would post, but I knew you would have to play!
Just a few suggestions:
1. Insulate the shank/threads of the screw to help clear the field of view
2. It might be interesting to cut a 3" or so diameter disc from a piece of thin, fairly rigid, clear plastic material and cut a hole in the middle that you can slip the magnet thru. Ideally the ID of the center hole would be such that it is a slip fit on the magnet OD.
You could perform several tests with the plastic disc in various positions along the magnet's length, i.e., close to the bottom pole, at the center of the magnet, and then near the top pole.
The use of the disc will help isolate any hydrodynamic/bubble flow from the bottom of the magnet (it will be forced outward and awayby the plastic baffle) which might assist in visualizing where flow is occurring.
3. As well, you might try repeating the tests with/without tape on the sides of the magnet while the bottom pole of the magnet is insulated with a disc of electrical tape.
4. It might be interesting to visualize/verify the flow in areas where bubbles may not be. The use of a magic marker, or syringe/tube with food coloring injected comes to mind but eventually will cloud your tank. Although I am not sure how well you would be able to video through a beaker or jar, moving the experiment over to a smaller container would allow you perform flow visualization within an amount of electrolyte more readily changed when it becomes clouded from ink, dye. or coloring used to visualize flow.
Food for thought:
Keep in mind that even with the tape applied to the sides of the magnet, the bulk resistance of the electrolyte, through which current flows, is generally at a right angle to the magnetic axis. Also, regarding the observed flow, keep in mind that during electrolysis, there are ions involved. As H2 is generated in a given area, the negative ions formed there are repelled away from that area.
The point is, it may be that we are seeing the effects of both (A.) bulk current flow generally towards, and at right angle to, the magnetic axis and hence a homopolar effect, and as well (B.), the repulsion of negative ions as they are formed during H2 production. By convention, charges (or ions) of opposite polarity will be deflected in opposite directions by a given magnetic polarity. As well, the current flow through the bulk resistance (electrolyte) experiences the fields of the magnet regardless of whether or not the magnet is insulated, so as bulk current flow becomes sufficient, it is not unreasonable to expect that the homopolar effect would dominate over any observed ion "wind".
PW
To: TheoriaApophasis
Here below is the thread by Mark Snoswell, he was posting seven years ago on magnet vortex spin, I know that you will like this... Now Mark is the chief technology officer at http://www.chavaenergy.com/ (http://www.chavaenergy.com/)
Dr. Mark Snoswell, Chief Technology Officer: Dr. Mark Snoswell graduated from Adelaide University with an Honours degree in Biochemistry in late 70s. Mark has a diverse career since then including: PhD in Biotechnology/Biochemistry; CTO of Torson Inc – a global sports biomechanics and edutainment company; Founder and Chairman of Ballistic Media – a global corporation that includes BallsiticPublishing.com and the CGSociety.org; Mark is also the President of the CGSociety. More recently Mark has been developing breakthrough concepts for how our universe works and new devices to generate clean and abundant power using solid state electromagnetic systems.
http://www.overunity.com/2764/spinor-resonance-explanation-for-tpu-like-devices/#.U9EyaKyLN8U (http://www.overunity.com/2764/spinor-resonance-explanation-for-tpu-like-devices/#.U9EyaKyLN8U)
Here are may old clips, looks like we are on the same track...
Thanks for the book !!! Now the was allot of effort !! Don't let the ass*oles get you distracted ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TnGGeeP0I&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TnGGeeP0I&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs&index=37&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs&index=37&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A)
Ps..
"MileHigh you don't exist !!! your words a worthless even with some 3000 posts !!"
Don't respond....!!
Quote from: tinman on July 24, 2014, 09:15:19 AM
Opposite spins shown here in this video.
Please remember-we are looking at MY setup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n358gtR7gr8
Tinman,
As an additional test of any ion "wind" mentioned in my previous post, you might consider reversing polarity on your tank and try generating O2 at the magnet instead. Keeping track of the magnet polarity, perform the test generating H2 first (with the sides taped for clarity) and then reverse polarity on the tank to produce O2 at the magnet (assuming you can produce sufficient O2 for visualization). Note what effect the two polarities have regarding the spins observed at the pole piece and when motoring.
PW
ACCA
Thank you for the reminder, Mark S is a good fellow and quite approachable ...
I think I will give him a ring to see if he has any comments on this [ also to invite his input]
thx
Chet
Just wondering whether a magnet strong enough to be suspended by a ball bearing would free up the magnet enough to spin opposite to the vortex.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 24, 2014, 01:53:44 PM
Just wondering whether a magnet strong enough to be suspended by a ball bearing would free up the magnet enough to spin opposite to the vortex.
Regards...
If whatever emanates from the poles of a magnet has an actual physical spin as TA depicts, is it unreasonable to expect that two like poles in axial alignment and proximity would cause the magnets to spin? Fairly easy to test. If necessary it may also be possible to devise an experiment using open center cylindrical magnets wherein the "centripetal" field/flux is routed through the center of the cylindrical magnets to the opposing pole so that the majority of the flux being tested for rotation involves primarily the more external "centrifugal" flux.
As well, if there are indeed physically rotating fields, it would be reasonable to expect that two magnets placed side by side with their magnetic axes parallel and supported by bearings to rotate when brought into proximity.
If the vortex observed in all these experiments utilizing current flow to generate H2 exist solely as a property of the magnet alone, and not the interaction of electric/ion currents flowing in proximity to the magnet, should not that vortex or spin cause magnets aligned as above to also spin?
With the many attempts made to create PM only motors, why has this spin not yet been observed?
Possibly TA's diagrams refer only to motionless field polarities/vectors emanating to/from the magnetic poles.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
If necessary it may also be possible to devise an experiment using open center cylindrical magnets wherein the "centripetal" field/flux is routed through the center of the cylindrical magnets to the opposing pole so that the majority of the flux being tested for rotation involves primarily the more external "centrifugal" flux.
PW
Here is the view of ONLY THE CENTRIPETAL (center point ONLY) vortex as filmed thru a pair of optical glass with micron thin FERROFLUID in between , and ringed by LED lights
however even using 2 lights, you can see the same thing
THIS IS CENTRIPETAL IMAGE ONLY pictured below, NO CENTRIFUGAL IS SHOWN
THEN, I show you BOTH, with a bit of the ringed centriFUGAL around the centripetal
THEN, pictured below [as found in the book] BASED UPON MY CALCULATIONS (before seeing these REAL FIELD (not created) IMAGES), IS MY PREDICTION OF THEIR APPEARANCE,......WHICH IS 100% IDENTICALNecessitated field INTERLACING..........centrifugal against centripetal, and centripetal against centrifugal makes this geometry not only "possible" >>>>>
but 100% ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY, necessitated, it cannot exist any other way. <<<<<<
How do opposite fields "movements" [since movement itself is really a mirage posterior to the field itself]......(this time referring to magnetism only as per CW against CCW, and CCW against CW) conjugate at max velocity with the LOWEST SPATIAL DISTENTION in their mutual reciprocation??? They vortex around and 'thru each other'
IN this pattern and ONLY THIS PATTERNPressure, anti-spatial (counterspatial) opposite moving distentions (radiations) necessitate (Greeks called this ANANKE) this magneto-spatial geometry.
The key point everyone 'misses' is that magnetism is radiation, is a circular Ether modality, and MUST by its very definition, both in connotation and denotation >>>>>> "create space" <<<<<<<
HOWEVER, circular field reciprocation is EXPRESSED (as it MUST be) by CW and CCW vortex interlacing
Even the vortex itself is a mirage of space and time, Polarization = space/time = "Space" = radiation. The "mirage of space" as fields reciprocate upon themselves creates the vortex (while hard to see using normal media) 'painted' upon the canvas of spacetime and as us dumb humans see it with various oddball testing media.
Quote from: mikemongo on July 24, 2014, 09:30:54 AM
Here's a visually stimulating image of the big magnet we live on that clearly shows the accretion disc.
Map of all the tropical cyclones from 1985-2005, courtesy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_tropical_cyclone_tracks-edit2.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_tropical_cyclone_tracks-edit2.jpg)
Excellent job........
..I have an experiment I keep working on that shows the dielectric inertial plane creates "cyclones" along the 'equator' of the magnet as well. However I cannot post pics of this device or experiment
(yet),.......but I assure you, yes, it is there
it goes round in waves and undulations and creates, from time to time interesting (what on earth would be) cyclones from the dielectric inertial plane (as you so-called it, the dielectric accretion disk)
So tired, been resetting experiments for days, only few hours sleep for past few days.
thumbs up.
Quote from: Acca on July 24, 2014, 12:44:09 PM
To: TheoriaApophasis
Here below is the thread by Mark Snoswell, he was posting seven years ago on magnet vortex spin, I know that you will like this... Now Mark is the chief technology officer at http://www.chavaenergy.com/ (http://www.chavaenergy.com/)
Dr. Mark Snoswell, Chief Technology Officer: Dr. Mark Snoswell graduated from Adelaide University with an Honours degree in Biochemistry in late 70s. Mark has a diverse career since then including: PhD in Biotechnology/Biochemistry; CTO of Torson Inc – a global sports biomechanics and edutainment company; Founder and Chairman of Ballistic Media – a global corporation that includes BallsiticPublishing.com and the CGSociety.org; Mark is also the President of the CGSociety. More recently Mark has been developing breakthrough concepts for how our universe works and new devices to generate clean and abundant power using solid state electromagnetic systems.
http://www.overunity.com/2764/spinor-resonance-explanation-for-tpu-like-devices/#.U9EyaKyLN8U (http://www.overunity.com/2764/spinor-resonance-explanation-for-tpu-like-devices/#.U9EyaKyLN8U)
Here are may old clips, looks like we are on the same track...
Thanks for the book !!! Now the was allot of effort !! Don't let the ass*oles get you distracted ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TnGGeeP0I&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TnGGeeP0I&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs&index=37&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs&index=37&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A)
Ps..
"MileHigh you don't exist !!! your words a worthless even with some 3000 posts !!"
Don't respond....!!
thanks for the links, Iemmie take some peeks and see......... Well, the book isnt done , it has twice (or more) to add to it, new experiments, and some amazing stuff that even shocked me.
thumbs up
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 03:13:13 PM
Here is the view of ONLY THE CENTRIPETAL (center point ONLY) vortex as filmed thru a pair of optical glass with micron thin FERROFLUID in between , and ringed by LED lights
however even using 2 lights, you can see the same thing
THIS IS CENTRIPETAL IMAGE ONLY pictured below, NO CENTRIFUGAL IS SHOWN
THEN, I show you BOTH, with a bit of the ringed centriFUGAL around the centripetal
THEN, pictured below BASED UPON MY CALCULATIONS (before seeing these REAL FIELD (not created) IMAGES), IS MY PREDICTION OF THEIR APPEARANCE,......WHICH IS 100% IDENTICAL
How does one infer spin "direction" from the apparently symmetrical patterns portrayed in the images posted?
As I agree with your comments regarding the fallacies of using iron filings to determine field patterns/shapes due to the multitude of individual magnets thereby created and thereto aligned, this would also seem true for any iron filings or magnetic material regardless how small those filings or materials are milled and suspended. The interactions may take on finer detail as particle size decreases producing more intricate patterns, but are they not, in the end, merely a higher resolution pattern with the same fallacies of the more macroscopic iron filings?
(Please, the use of bold and caps is not necessary. To the contrary, most consider it as shouting, which is uncalled for.)
PW
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 03:13:13 PM
Here is the view of ONLY THE CENTRIPETAL (center point ONLY) vortex as filmed thru a pair of optical glass with micron thin FERROFLUID in between , and ringed by LED lights
however even using 2 lights, you can see the same thing
THIS IS CENTRIPETAL IMAGE ONLY pictured below, NO CENTRIFUGAL IS SHOWN
THEN, I show you BOTH, with a bit of the ringed centriFUGAL around the centripetal
THEN, pictured below [as found in the book] BASED UPON MY CALCULATIONS (before seeing these REAL FIELD (not created) IMAGES), IS MY PREDICTION OF THEIR APPEARANCE,......WHICH IS 100% IDENTICAL
TA,
In screenshot 1825, is this an end on view of a magnetic pole? Can you indicate where the extents of the physical dimensions of the magnet used are located behind the glass/pattern? I.e., if this is an end on view of a cylindrical magnet pole, where does the OD of the magnet end in relation to, say, the circularly defined center pattern?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 03:37:01 PM
TA,
In screenshot 1825, is this an end on view of a magnetic pole? Can you indicate where the extents of the physical dimensions of the magnet used are located behind the glass/pattern? I.e., if this is an end on view of a cylindrical magnet pole, where does the OD of the magnet end in relation to, say, the circularly defined center pattern?
PW
YES, it is a zoomed in image of ONLY the centripetal vortex (however even the very center is still influenced by centrifugal inductive force which still necessitates (only much tighter) this geometry (until in reaches inside at the midpoint of reintegration).
Its a "dilated" view of the centripetal, using a RING magnet............So you can see a MUCH BIGGER view of the centripetal of a SOLID disk magnet, BY HOW.??? Simple.........Ring magnet.
its the same AS a disk magnet , only magnified so you can see it better.
Disk magnet you can barely barely see it, because its so small and tight.
regardless however, the centrifugal (see BOTTOM PIC) on a CUBE (1/4") magnet is the same ......black is the face of the magnet
far AWAY from the viewer, and this tiny cube magnet......you can see the centrifugal only (of course, as it should be)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 03:49:18 PM
YES, it is a zoomed in image of ONLY the centripetal vortex (however even the very center is still influenced by centrifugal inductive force which still necessitates (only much tighter) this geometry (until in reaches inside at the midpoint of reintegration).
Its a "dilated" view of the centripetal, using a RING magnet............So you can see a MUCH BIGGER view of the centripetal of a SOLID disk magnet, BY HOW.??? Simple.........Ring magnet.
its the same AS a disk magnet , only magnified so you can see it better.
Disk magnet you can barely barely see it, because its so small and tight.
TA,
But again, in shot 1827, for example (and in the 1825 I asked about) where does the OD of the magnet end in relation to the pattern portrayed?
In 1827 is the OD (periphery) of the magnet roughly where the intense orange circle is defined at the periphery of the pattern? Is there a center hole in the magnet?
Similar question for 1825, is this a solid faced magnet or one with a center hole and what are its dimensions/extents in relation to the observed pattern?
A circle or two drawn over the patterns portraying the dimensions of the magnet behind the viewer would be most helpful in understanding what we are looking at and what the patterns portray.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 03:55:50 PM
TA,
In 1827 is the OD (periphery) of the magnet roughly where the intense orange circle is defined at the periphery of the pattern? Is there a center hole in the magnet?
Similar question for 1825, is this a solid faced magnet or one with a center hole and what are its dimensions/extents in relation to the observed pattern?
A circle or two drawn over the patterns portraying the dimensions of the magnet behind the viewer would be most helpful in understanding what we are looking at and what the patterns portray.
PW
In 1827 the inside diameter is roughly 36 mm .....no the intense orange circle is the rim of the INSIDE EDGE of the ring magnet
1824, 1825, 1826 and 1827 are the same magnet
only diff zoom views.
A ring magnet lets you see the dilation OF the centripetal which is normally too small and too tight to view (way too tight).
A ring magnet, obviously and logically, give your a dilation view of the centripetal
You can see BOTH centripetal and centrifugal below :::
both patters are the SAME, both are interlacing resultant, but one is convergent and "tighter" and the other is divergent and more "open"
centripetal is shrinking back into the dielectric, into the counterspatial inertial. Centrifugal just the opposite.
BOTTOM pic is the pole of a 1/4" cube magnet......, and is showing the centrifugal divergent (=spatially moving [really creating]) ONLY
same pattern, both are opposite in interlacing reciprocations, but incommensurate and identical in geometry, only spatially and counterspatially (moving) distended or contractive
To clear some things up for some people (not meant for anyone here specifically)...........
Here is the Flicker photos of Michael Snyder he developed the single axis magnet plasmon viewer.. His YT channel is https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos)
http://www.aps.org/about/physics-images/archive/heleshaw.cfm (http://www.aps.org/about/physics-images/archive/heleshaw.cfm)
"Anti-Vortex Image in Hele-Shaw Cell
Magnetic fields can be hard to understand or characterize. Two natural means of visualizing magnetic fields are the aurora australis and the aurora borealis, as well as the Sun's corona.
Michael Snyder and others have explored ways to visualize magnetic fields in the lab. The visualization here started with a Hele-Shaw cell. A Hele-Shaw cell is two flat parallel plates separated by a nearly infinitesimal distance. In this case, Snyder's and Frederick's Hele-Shaw cell is made of two 100mm circular glass windows separated by a Fe3O4 ferrofluid; that is, a liquid of 10nm particles that becomes strongly magnetized.
The Hele-Shaw cell is facing the camera and illuminated by 36 colored LED lights placed around the cell's perimeter. The light is scattered through the cell as the ferrofluid particles respond to two magnets behind the cell which are aligned north/south and south/north. The magnetization produces this anti-vortex image."
http://www.revolution-labs.com/ (http://www.revolution-labs.com/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sirzerp/2947536208/in/photostream/lightbox/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sirzerp/2947536208/in/photostream/lightbox/)
I also made ways of making "non-magnetic metals" magnetic.. Sorry can show but not tell !!
Acca..
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 04:36:09 PM
A ring magnet lets you see the dilation OF the centripetal which is normally too small and too tight to view (way too tight).
Does not the area of the "centripetal" expand outward as distance from the pole face increases?
That is, should not increasing the distance between the pole face and the viewer cause the view of the 'centripetal" area expand?
And again, how do you justify using magnetic particles to view the fields, when they are merely smaller analogs of more macroscopic iron filings?
PW
Quote from: Acca on July 24, 2014, 05:32:13 PM
Here is the Flicker photos of Michael Snyder he developed the single axis magnet plasmon viewer.. His YT channel is https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos)
Acca..
Yes, I know about his youtube channel. The work of his, etc.......Great work on his part.
Lovely pics,.......(actually thats the name of his book too as I recall, pretty pictures) ;)
You see that SPHERE in the center (BELOW),
thats the dielectric super-point.Its just 1 of 1000 ways of telling people (if they believe you or not) that dielectricity terminates
(in enormous power) into the creation of mass.
Mass/matter is "MADE SPATIAL" by (obviously) the inter-atomic magnetism.
but its field (LIKE dielectricity) is counterspatial, is Omni-directionally centripetal.
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 05:43:09 PM
Does not the area of the "centripetal" expand outward as distance from the pole face increases?
Yes, same as a natural tornado does.
Centripetal is MAX velocity at its APEX (point) Opposite of the Centrifugal.......MAX velocity is at the CONE END, of which, IN A MAGNET (as mentioned in the book) is at the EDGE POINT of either "end" of a "magnet"
And WHY is that the MAX point of centrifugal on a magnet????? Because thats where the physical "magnet" 'ENDS', and where dielectric acceleration END.....after that all reciprocation is driven spatially by the interlacing fields (or in intermediate centrifugal, doesnt make it "over the fence" and returns at the inertial plane)
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 05:43:09 PM
That is, should not increasing the distance between the pole face and the viewer cause the view of the 'centripetal" area expand?
Yes, but at distance you are seeing only the mutual interlacing of BOTH With a more loose, but identical hypotrochoid shape , and you are seeing the same AT the centripetal, they are all point-nonspecific self-similar (thats incommensurate field reciprocation).
except in the case of a ring magnet where the centripetal is geometrically dilated as necessitated by the field geometry;..... the SAME but SPATIALLY divergent as a ring, therefore magnifying the spatially CONVERGENT (counterspatial moving) centripetal.
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 05:43:09 PM
And again, how do you justify using magnetic particles to view the fields, when they are merely smaller analogs of more macroscopic iron filings?
I dont, I say EXACTLY THAT IN THE BOOK........which is why I use MANY diff testing materials, graphite, bismuth dust, special suspensions, and a few other things I will talk about in the future edition, but will not mention here and now.
I have several NON charged, NON ferrous testing methods.
You can test with paramagnetic
AND diamagnetic materials with magnets, you just have to "get creative" and think outside of the box.
TA,
Personally, I have always believed that regardless of whether magnetic, paramagnetic, diamagnetic, or even miniature hall sensors are used in an attempt to map the field pattern, the very act of inserting these items into the field modifies the field.
Although the effect can likely be reduced to some degree with, as you say, a diamagnetic material, doing so requires the particle size to be very small and the medium they are contained within to be of very low viscosity to allow adequate mobility of the very small particles in concert with the weak effect on them produced by the field. But that increased mobility also allows neighboring particles to as well be more easily influenced by any changes to the field produced by adjacent particles.
In any case, as was mentioned several posts back, do you believe these observed lines and patterns of vortices created via the "centrifugal" and "centripetal" fields to be stationary? That is, in your drawings with inward/outward indicating arrows, are these merely static vectors indicating field direction with strength varying over distance or is there an actual component of motion, flow, or oscillation related to these proposed field vectors?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 06:41:42 PM
TA,
Personally, I have always believed that regardless of whether magnetic, paramagnetic, diamagnetic, or even miniature hall sensors are used in an attempt to map the field pattern, the very act of inserting these items into the field modifies the field.
Fields influence fields, there is no argument, however you really need to see the picture below.....and realize this END ON view of AC TRANSMISSION LINES is nearly 100% same as a permanent magnet
only difference is some spread because you have TWO WIRES rather than a super-binding sphere/cylinder etc etc "physical magnet"
Its only due to immense study of Platonic incommensurability I have a firm grip inverse moving conjugate fields in a binding magneto-dielectric geometry.
Its also a wholly LOST ART of thinking methodology called retroduction.
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 06:41:42 PM
In any case, as was mentioned several posts back, do you believe these observed lines and patterns of vortices created via the "centrifugal" and "centripetal" fields to be stationary? That is, in your drawings with inward/outward indicating arrows, are these merely static vectors indicating field direction with strength varying over distance or is there an actual component of motion or oscillation related to these proposed field vectors?
PW
Depends on what you are connotating (or denotating) as " STATIONARY "..... = equalization / equilibrium Or "moving IN perfect equalibrium"movement is an extrapolation of space AND time (>>>>>and therefore a resultant modality of a radiative field<<<<<<).........
Spacetime is a posterior attribute TO and OF radiative fields.....
This is where Einstein turned into a mental midget, he reified the attribute (space) as THAT which "does stuff" ;D ;D
Chicken AND (NOT OR!!) Egg situation ;D ;D
all movement is forcing fields against fields and getting =
Induction, electrification, force etc etc etc.
(pictured below) The "magnets" dielectric inertial plane , ...the very principle "driving" the entire "magnet" (= dielectric electrified object in dis-equilibrium)
The radiation / discharge OF dielectricity IS magnetism
Co-eternal / co-principles of the single Ether-fulcrum, charge/inertia/dielectric .....and....... radiation/discharge(=magnetism)
The Ether is the Ether is the Ether.
This is why JC Maxwell called magnetism the "dielectric field"
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 06:49:17 PM
Fields influence fields, there is no argument, however you really need to see the picture below.....and realize this END ON view of AC TRANSMISSION LINES is nearly 100% same as a permanent magnet
only difference is some spread because you have TWO WIRES rather than a super-binding sphere/cylinder etc etc "physical magnet"
Its only due to immense study of Platonic incommensurability I have a firm grip inverse moving conjugate fields in a binding magneto-dielectric geometry.
Its also a wholly LOST ART of thinking methodology called retroduction.
Depends on what you are connotating (or denotating) as " STATIONARY "..... = equalization / equilibrium
Or "moving IN perfect equalibrium"
movement is an extrapolation of space AND time (>>>>>and therefore a resultant modality of a radiative field<<<<<<)......... Spacetime is a posterior attribute TO and OF radiative fields.....
This is where Einstein turned into a mental midget, he reified the attribute (space) as THAT which "does stuff" ;D ;D
Chicken AND (NOT OR!!) Egg situation ;D ;D
all movement is forcing fields against fields and getting = Induction, electrification, force etc etc etc.
What is the configuration of the magnet behind the viewing film in shot 1819?
Regarding field motion, relative to the bulk mass of the magnet, are the fields stationary?
PW
I am struck with wonder and awe at the beauty of this new window on the universe.
Thanks for sharing this inspiring work, Ken.
Bob
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
If whatever emanates from the poles of a magnet has an actual physical spin as TA depicts, is it unreasonable to expect that two like poles in axial alignment and proximity would cause the magnets to spin? Fairly easy to test. If necessary it may also be possible to devise an experiment using open center cylindrical magnets wherein the "centripetal" field/flux is routed through the center of the cylindrical magnets to the opposing pole so that the majority of the flux being tested for rotation involves primarily the more external "centrifugal" flux.
As well, if there are indeed physically rotating fields, it would be reasonable to expect that two magnets placed side by side with their magnetic axes parallel and supported by bearings to rotate when brought into proximity.
If the vortex observed in all these experiments utilizing current flow to generate H2 exist solely as a property of the magnet alone, and not the interaction of electric/ion currents flowing in proximity to the magnet, should not that vortex or spin cause magnets aligned as above to also spin?
With the many attempts made to create PM only motors, why has this spin not yet been observed?
Possibly TA's diagrams refer only to motionless field polarities/vectors emanating to/from the magnetic poles.
PW
I was just tossing it in the ring PW.
It will take some time to go back and digest all that has been laid out amid the distractions.
Regards...
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 07:42:47 PM
What is the configuration of the magnet behind the viewing film in shot 1819?
You didnt read it above.
1819 is END ON view of AC transmission lines......same as running down your street
BUT that is also the cross section of a magnet, top to bottom polarization , with the differences mentioned above,
that being the boundary of the physical magnet and the mutual centripetal and centrifugal reciprocation.While accurate only END ON (the AC LINES) as a model of magnetism, the incommensurable magneto-dielectric "field of dielectricity" (Maxwell) is still correct and applicable.
There is no nucleal precession going on in AC transmission lines, (of course)
In the true 3D model of the magnet you would need ENDLESS trillions of AC lines all moving "down the page (end on)" and undergoing line (in this case nucleus) precession to get the centripetal and centrifugal field interlacing.
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 07:42:47 PM
Regarding field motion, relative to the bulk mass of the magnet, are the fields stationary?
The formulas for that are in Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenkos book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0917406230/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Motion only pertains to spatial fields, there can be no MOTION in dielectricity unless, as Tesla did, create longitudinal superluminal transmissions, WHILE much faster than light, still have a speed, but that is relative to the induction potential of the Ether, and the field drag of both gravity and ambient magnetism limiting I.A.A.A.D from occurring.
Movement and magnetic precession is occurring , its often called Larmor Precession.
The classical vector properties of the angular momentum of a gyroscope are analogous to many of the important characteristics of the vector properties of the mechanical magnetic inertia. The reason for the close analogy is due to the important and critical connection between the dielectric inertial plane and the angular momentum due to the dielectric's acceleration, or spin. For example, the rotating mass of a gyroscope possesses angular momentum, which can be represented by a vector whose direction is along the symmetry axis of rotation. A gyroscope in a field precesses, i.e., the axis of its rotation precesses around the direction of the counterspatial field. What factors determine the rate of precession of the gyroscope? The answer is the field force at the center of rotation and the inherent angular momentum of the gyroscope, or in this case the dielectric plane and its acceleration. If the angular momentum, which is determined by the angular velocity of spin and the mass of the gyroscope, is constant, the rate of precession ω is determined only by the centripetal field force, so that there is a proportionality between the rate of precession and the centripetal field force, where γ (compare to the magnetogyric ratio) is the scalar proportionality constant between the precessional frequency and the centripetal field force. ω (Larmor frequency) = γeH
Protons precess coherently when in the presence of a powerful dielectric field. The frequency at which the precession occurs is called the Larmor frequency. This causes an oscillating and precessing magnetic field that can be measured.
In electrification in the creation of a "magnet" not only are the XYZ vectors of magneto-dielectric inertial planes brought into coherency, so too are the directions of their dielectric 'flywheels' all amplified to the same direction. Just like our gyroscopic analogy, you can have 10 gyroscopes with their flywheels all spinning in different directions and yet their XYZ axis of the magneto-dielectric volumes are still aligned, however in touching all 10 at the same time, you will get variegated precessional incoherent reactions. However as is in the case with electrification and dielectric saturation in the creation of a "magnet", all dielectric inter-atomic fields are accelerated in a singular pulse of phased dielectric coherency. This is also why CW on CW magnetic approaches causes immense Ether pressure resistance (counter-voidance), because the dielectric-momentum of all the many trillions of atoms in the "magnet" are resisting breaking torque from an outside pressure of counter-voidance. This is in-phase precession post-electrification in creating a magnet.
Gyromagnetic ratios, and magnetic precession is nothing of my discovery, this principle is part and parcel to all magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), nuclear magnetic resonance imaging (NMRI) technology, however the entire field of MRI technology is senseless and clueless that a permanent magnet exhibits this due to special magneto-dielectric field geometry. MRI use enormous power to generate these magnetic precessions, which field contrasts are then used to image and determine what is being scanned. Enormous pulsing power is used in the creation of MRI images, however a single large pulse is used to create an identical precessional magnetic geometry in the permanent magnet. As is the case with most technology, things are discovered and perfected without actually understanding or caring about the principles behind them.
I will be doing many more test this weekend PW, and will include your seguestions
Also keep in mind everyone, that the magnet produces only H2, but we still have 2 spin diretions of H2 bubbles. This can only mean that it is the water that the force is acting against. It is also ovious thst an electrical current is needed to achieve spin in my setup. None the less, ATM it seems that the right hand dosnt apply to one of these spin directions
Quote from: tinman on July 24, 2014, 10:41:11 PM
I will be doing many more test this weekend PW, and will include your seguestions
Also keep in mind everyone, that the magnet produces only H2, but we still have 2 spin diretions of H2 bubbles. This can only mean that it is the water that the force is acting against. It is also ovious thst an electrical current is needed to achieve spin in my setup. None the less, ATM it seems that the right hand dosnt apply to one of these spin directions
Tinman,
Sincere thanks for your time and efforts.
Do you believe it possible to make a sufficient amount of O2 at the magnet (to allow visualization) by reversing the tank polarity?
As I surmised in a previous post, it may be possible that two different actions are being observed, a homopolar torque/motoring action and an ion "wind". As H2 is liberated, negative ions form in the area of H2 production and these negative ions would then be repelled away from that immediate area. As those ions carry a charge, their path as they leave that immediate area would be affected by the magnetic field.
If the above is true, using the same magnet polarity as in your H2 tests, reversing tank polarity to produce O2, and hence produce positive ions, should reverse the direction of the observed vortex immediately above the magnetic pole (reverse polarity ions should travel an oppositely curved path in the same magnetic field polarity).
I surmise that when the tape is applied to the sides of the magnet, bulk current density in the electrolyte is lowered and the homopolar action is somewhat suppressed, particularly at lower currents. This allows, at lower currents, the ion flow just above the magnet's pole to be more readily visible and somewhat predominant (as the pole area has the highest current density at this time). As current is increased further, bulk current in the electrolyte becomes greater, and when sufficient, allows motoring to occur via homopolar action.
Anyway, it's just a thought...
Thanks again,
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 11:19:12 PM
Tinman,
If the above is true, using the same magnet polarity as in your H2 tests, reversing tank polarity to produce O2, and hence produce positive ions, should reverse the direction of the observed vortex immediately above the magnetic pole (reverse polarity ions should travel an oppositely curved path in the same magnetic field polarity).
one small hitch there though, :o
HYDRO is diamagnetic,
and OXY is paramagnetic
"Mother nature is a crazy bitch"- Alfred Reed ROFL
little humor ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 08:50:20 PM
You didnt read it above. 1819 is END ON view of AC transmission lines......same as running down your street
BUT that is also the cross section of a magnet, top to bottom polarization , with the differences mentioned above, that being the boundary of the physical magnet and the mutual centripetal and centrifugal reciprocation.
While accurate only END ON (the AC LINES) as a model of magnetism, the incommensurable magneto-dielectric "field of dielectricity" (Maxwell) is still correct and applicable.
TA,
I am sorry, but I am still a bit uncertain if I understand what is depicted in 1819 completely. There are two panels/images. The left image appears to be viewing film, the right appears to be a line drawing/graph with a big red square.
There are numbered callouts/labels below the images, but no corresponding identification numbers in the images.
I am assuming that the left image is viewing film and that the right image is a graphical representation of the "end on" AC lines. The red square overlayed on the right image, I also assume, represents a block magnet showing the dielectric plane (center line).
If the above assumptions are correct, is the viewing film a depiction of the same block magnet oriented behind the film as indicated by the red square in the right image? I just want to make sure I am understanding what you present correctly.
It would be most helpful when presenting viewing film, etc, of magnetic fields if you would provide an image or overlay of the orientation of the magnet and its geometric shape as positioned behind the film (with polarity marked as well).
Just a suggestion,
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
TA,
I am sorry, but I am still a bit uncertain if I understand what is depicted in 1819 completely. There are two panels/images. The left image appears to be viewing film, the right appears to be a line drawing/graph with a big red square.
There are numbered callouts/labels below the images, but no corresponding identification numbers in the images.
It would be most helpful when presenting viewing film, etc, of magnetic fields if you would provide an image or overlay of the orientation of the magnet and its geometric shape as positioned behind the film (with polarity marked as well).
Just a suggestion,
PW
NO, that left image is not viewing flim, its iron filiings around AC current lines looking END ON
Same thing, in diagram on the right
Taken from JC Maxwells diagram of the dielectric and magnetic around AC lines looking END (of wire) ON (down the lines)
I am assuming that the left image is viewing film and that the right image is a graphical representation of the "end on" AC lines. The red square overlayed on the right image, I also assume, represents a block magnet showing the dielectric plane (center line).<<<<<
Yes, the GREEN viewing film, however all this film does is show VELOCITY of fields, and the POINT/AXIS of polarization
They call it "magnetic viewing fim", but its real nature is showing polarization and shows really only 3 things
A: bright line of the dielectric inertial plane (or as everyone else sees it, the axis along which the magnet is polarized)
B: shows the centrifugal edge in bright (again, velocity)
C: shows a fuzzy bright circle at the centripetal point.
I developed a liquid suspension that does the EXACT SAME THING as this film does ;)
Until I made the connection afterwords in working on magnetism, and recognizing this geometry before, nobody had a clue how galactic jets works, what, why, etc.
Even the so-called "experts" admit theyre really clueless about this special geometry, well its very simple, is the same as in a magnet
The only reason the galactic jets have an extremely tight centrifugal vortex is because theyre being deflected into a very very tight centrifugal cone due to mind numbing levels (we cannot fathom the levels) of power.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 11:28:45 PM
one small hitch there though, :o
HYDRO is diamagnetic,
and OXY is paramagnetic
"Mother nature is a crazy bitch"- Alfred Reed ROFL
little humor ;D
Yes, but are we actually seeing the influence of the magnetic field on the H2 itself, or are we seeing motion by proxy due to repulsion/curvature of ions? I don't have that answer, hence the suggested test. Possibly this has been tested before, if so, what were the results?
If we are to believe that what we are seeing is merely the behavior of H2 rising in a magnetic field, then should it not be possible to eliminate the electrolysis part altogether and just produce/inject H2 above the magnet? A stronger NaOh solution with a thin sheet of Al on top of the magnet should liberate H2 without the need for electrolysis. Would it not then also produce a vortex?
Possibly only atomic H is involved in producing the vortex, as it exists briefly before recombination to H2 (unsure how long). But even then, if atomic H is required, although seemingly a bit more difficult, it may be possible to devise an experiment wherein atomic H is injected immediately above the pole piece to look for spin/vortex in the absence of an electrical field.
Anyway, the reverse polarity test seems easy enough to try. Whether or not it will tell us anything useful I don't know (but that is what experiments are for).
PW
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 12:03:04 AM
NO, that left image is not viewing flim, its iron filiings around AC current lines looking END ON
Same thing, in diagram on the right
Taken from JC Maxwells diagram of the dielectric and magnetic around AC lines looking END (of wire) ON (down the lines)
TA,
Thanks, I got it now, that's why I asked...
PW
@all
I really like the work done here its reminds me of my own ,
what i learned is that what others thinks or like is not useful in research ,
sharing point of views is great as long as no one imposes there own on to others.
We each have used all our senses and brain to forge our view of the world ,day after day we each traveled our own way had our own experiences , and we should be pround of it , and respect others travel as we wish ours would be . What are you a repeat robot or a man.
I have seen things i did not like as much ..
At the original poster
I think you are on the spot , people of pure heart and intent have acces to the knowledge base , keep going you will do great .
You may or not check my vortex tread , theres is something about the force travels in the opposite direction in a magnectic medium thena paramagnetic with the same current direction .
Take good care
Best regards
Mark
Quote from: picowatt on July 25, 2014, 12:09:00 AM
Yes, but are we actually seeing the influence of the magnetic field on the H2 itself, or are we seeing motion by proxy due to repulsion/curvature of ions? I don't have that answer, hence the suggested test. Possibly this has been tested before, if so, what were the results?
If we are to believe that what we are seeing is merely the behavior of H2 rising in a magnetic field, then should it not be possible to eliminate the electrolysis part altogether and just produce/inject H2 above the magnet? A stronger NaOh solution with a thin sheet of Al on top of the magnet should liberate H2 without the need for electrolysis. Would it not then also produce a vortex?
As you can see in my vid on using pyrolytic graphite, it will move opposite to the movement it is turned, regardless of CW or CCW
however that stuff is EXTREMELY diamagnetic.
Any comment on repulsion/curvature of ions on our parts is speculative, however neither of those is or CAN drive the magnet CW or CCW when polarity is reversed.
There are 2 charging 'portals' for any magnet, the
centripetal point, and the dielectric plane. with the dielectric inertial plane taped off, there is only ONE 'PORTAL' of charge entry, (and the end-product resultant hydrogen spin movement) period.
Not to get "picky" (not regarding you), but the only true magnetism (in refined denotation) is the centrifugal,.... the centripetal is also magnetic however being convergent to reintegration and perpetuating (as all 3 'components' do) magneto-dielctric inertia, its properties are different from the centrifugal.
SAME way you can say "well stretching a rubber band (magnetism) one way outwards /divergently is no different than releasing it and letting it contract convergently / inwards".
they are quantitatively the same force,........but wholly different qualitatively.
stretch a rubber band while touching your lip with it, feel it getting HOT (radiation / centrifugal) .......now let it contract on your lip (where you can feel it easy),.....feel it getting COLD (convergence, centripetal)
The "wonderful" magnet is the dis-equilibrium of fascination since it has macro-magnetic properties that are
'permanent' and self-sustaining due to field incommensurability, ....natures own little "Möbius loop" :o
This is also why my SEED GROWTH experiments only show TRUE results when the seeds are exposed for X TIME period along the centrifugal edge, and NOT just on "one side" , in which case results are perfect and always predictable IF you tape the seeds along the centrifugal edge, and NOT just "either side" then test them.
Remembering again, Ether is Ether is Ether. ;D
Quote from: picowatt on July 25, 2014, 12:09:00 AM
Possibly only atomic H is involved in producing the vortex, as it exists briefly before recombination to H2 (unsure how long). But even then, if atomic H is required, although seemingly a bit more difficult, it may be possible to devise an experiment wherein atomic H is injected immediately above the pole piece to look for spin/vortex in the absence of an electrical field.
PW
Nope, lots and LOTS of other methods to show magnetic vortex that have nothing to do with zapping magnets or using ferrous testing media.
(a couple of those testing mediums produce amazing results)
I hope Tinman invents the next "X" and makes a fortune ;)
Quote from: Mk1 on July 25, 2014, 12:22:03 AM
theres is something about the force travels in the opposite direction in a magnectic medium thena paramagnetic with the same current direction .
thats because, unlike ferrous accelerating towards a magnet centrifugally (bit complex explained in the book however) ,....... the paramagnetic is attracted to the centripetal.
WHICH IS ALSO why super diamagnetic materials (bismuth, pyrolytic graphite) go nuts along the centrifugal but only bump across the centripetal point.
remember (or not?) iron ball will NOT sit at the CENTER (centripetal) point of a magnet
, ONLY its centrifugal edge
whereas a same ball, a magnetic ball, WILL , EASILY
A (seemingly obvious to me) point of future invention and insight will be made when people realize why a HUGE FLAT MAGNET (like my 6", really any magnet of course) ,.....its outer edge acts like a gravitational front accelerating ferrous objects TO THAT POINT.
The acceleration is dielectric in origin (not magnetic induction as is reported), its magnetic dilation resultant from dielectric constriction in the ferrous object.
Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 11:19:12 PM
Tinman,
Sincere thanks for your time and efforts.
Do you believe it possible to make a sufficient amount of O2 at the magnet (to allow visualization) by reversing the tank polarity?
As I surmised in a previous post, it may be possible that two different actions are being observed, a homopolar torque/motoring action and an ion "wind". As H2 is liberated, negative ions form in the area of H2 production and these negative ions would then be repelled away from that immediate area. As those ions carry a charge, their path as they leave that immediate area would be affected by the magnetic field.
If the above is true, using the same magnet polarity as in your H2 tests, reversing tank polarity to produce O2, and hence produce positive ions, should reverse the direction of the observed vortex immediately above the magnetic pole (reverse polarity ions should travel an oppositely curved path in the same magnetic field polarity).
I surmise that when the tape is applied to the sides of the magnet, bulk current density in the electrolyte is lowered and the homopolar action is somewhat suppressed, particularly at lower currents. This allows, at lower currents, the ion flow just above the magnet's pole to be more readily visible and somewhat predominant (as the pole area has the highest current density at this time). As current is increased further, bulk current in the electrolyte becomes greater, and when sufficient, allows motoring to occur via homopolar action.
Anyway, it's just a thought...
Thanks again,
PW
I will give it a tr y tonight, but I would think the spin would be reversed-if not, then we reslly have some thinking to do. A problem is that very few bubbles ste produced from the magnet when used ad the anode-and my nickle coating is disapearing fast lol-may have to rescue some more magnets from older projects.
May place the magnet into a plastic holder, and use s\s wire on top of the magnet to eliminate the magnetic field of the small bolt
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 12:39:00 AM
thats because, unlike ferrous accelerating towards a magnet centrifugally (bit complex explained in the book however) ,....... the paramagnetic is attracted to the centripetal.
WHICH IS ALSO why super diamagnetic materials (bismuth, pyrolytic graphite) go nuts along the centrifugal but only bump across the centripetal point.
remember (or not?) iron ball will NOT sit at the CENTER (centripetal) point of a magnet, ONLY its centrifugal edge
whereas a same ball, a magnetic ball, WILL , EASILY
A (seemingly obvious to me) point of future invention and insight will be made when people realize why a HUGE FLAT MAGNET (like my 6", really any magnet of course) ,.....its outer edge acts like a gravitational front accelerating ferrous objects TO THAT POINT.
The acceleration is dielectric in origin (not magnetic induction as is reported), its magnetic dilation resultant from dielectric constriction in the ferrous object.
I not sure about the egg or the chicken that is first , i know there are the same freq magnetc offset by 1/4 of the freq and necessary in all living systems . a path is needed for both (Ex Coax cable) . I agree with your conclusions its time to go to the parctical .
There have been devices that claimed using energy from magnets in the past . We know the static force is on the opposite side of the poles and we have the magnetic at the poles we need to find a way to combine those two in a closed system .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6QIIwFkO00&list=UULKKCauubuWLRdng24R-cKQ In this video is my torus plane version yellow and copper wire opposite forces.
Its been nice talking about all that its been almost 4 since i looked at my research .
Good luck !
Quote from: Mk1 on July 25, 2014, 01:05:50 AM
we need to find a way to combine those two in a closed system .
What if some one,..... was already getting results with such thinking well in place? :)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 01:17:10 AM
What if some one,..... was already getting results with such thinking well in place? :)
I would not be the first :)
When, pray tell, will mankind discover the "secret" of the magnetic viewing film?
Quote from: MileHigh on July 25, 2014, 01:37:19 AM
When, pray tell, will mankind discover the "secret" of the magnetic viewing film?
velocity gradients are hardly "magnetic viewing film"
its very premise is faulty in implication
"look, it shows polarity". yeah, but it doesnt show you magnetic field reciprocation or the magneto-dielectric geometry of the magnets conjugate incommensurable system (or, the moving gyromagnetic precession driven by a sharp coherent increase in dielectric capacitance)
In case you forgot,
gyromagnetic precession is a well known entity in MRI technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larmor_precession
However they pathetically link it to unicorn discharge-particles ROFL ;D
Quote from: tinman on July 25, 2014, 12:45:42 AM
I will give it a tr y tonight, but I would think the spin would be reversed-if not, then we reslly have some thinking to do. A problem is that very few bubbles ste produced from the magnet when used ad the anode-and my nickle coating is disapearing fast lol-may have to rescue some more magnets from older projects.
May place the magnet into a plastic holder, and use s\s wire on top of the magnet to eliminate the magnetic field of the small bolt
Tinman,
Maybe the reverse polarity will put a little nickle back on!
But seriously, if you think your neo can handle another quick run as is, try using either the existing setup or do a run both polarities with the screw somewhat covered (heat shrink comes to mind). i too was concerned about the amount of O2 you could produce at the magnet. See what happens.
If you lose the Ni from the neo, handle the neo carefully, inhalation of any dust is supposedly bad (wouldn't want to injest it either). As well, the neo is going to get real hygroscopic when the Ni disappears, and will corrode/crumble fairly quick, particularly, I would think, in your NaOh solution.
Do what you can, when you can...
Thanks,
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 25, 2014, 02:12:44 AM
Tinman,
Maybe the reverse polarity will put a little nickle back on!
But seriously, if you think your neo can handle another quick run as is, try using either the existing setup or do a run both polarities with the screw somewhat covered (heat shrink comes to mind). i too was concerned about the amount of O2 you could produce at the magnet. See what happens.
If you lose the Ni from the neo, handle the neo carefully, inhalation of any dust is supposedly bad (wouldn't want to injest it either). As well, the neo is going to get real hygroscopic when the Ni disappears, and will corrode/crumble fairly quick, particularly, I would think, in your NaOh solution.
Do what you can, when you can...
Thanks,
PW
Why dont some of you folks who live CLOSE (kinda) to TinMan buy and send him some NEOS ;D
As for fields, the most important fact that is always overlooked is:
A field can never terminate in space nor is a field even part of
space itself, rather is a dimensional measure of a field or fields
Naught has there been a single evidence of any Ether/Field modality
terminating in space. Definitional to all fields, its impossible.
Tesla was right to call space reification as an 'entity' that 'does stuff /acts/ influences' "insane" ;D
Hey Tinman mate what neos do you need? Skype your deets. Kultus has my handle.
Here is a video i made late last night,but couldnt post it here,as i got an internal error 500 for this forum?. Anyway,all good now,so here it is. Much more testing to come this weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhBGQNkyWUM&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Quote from: Jimboot on July 25, 2014, 03:50:03 AM
Hey Tinman mate what neos do you need? Skype your deets. Kultus has my handle.
Hey jimboot.
It's been that long since i've been on skype,it took me a while to remember my handle lol. I think you are already on my skype-will look tonight.
Cheers
Quote from: MileHigh on July 25, 2014, 01:37:19 AM
When, pray tell, will mankind discover the "secret" of the magnetic viewing film?
Magnetic viewing film will not give you an accurate view of the !so called! field line's. As the viewing film is made with nickel flakes suspended in thin oil,it will be showing much the same as the iron fileings trick. Each flack of nickel itself would become magnetic,just as the iron fileings do. The difference being that the nickel is much finer,and so gives a smoother look that the iron fileings do.
How it work's.
The surface of the nickel flakes are shiney and reflective,and when magnetic lines of force are parallel to the surface of the sheet,the flakes of nickel lay flat,and you see the bright lines on the sheet. When the lines of force are perpendicular to the viewing sheet,the nickel flakes stand on end,and you get the dark areas on the sheet.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 23, 2014, 11:28:36 PM
Tinman has not discovered anything at all. He is just exploring how current flow and magnetic fields interact and having fun doing it. You insult science when you make stupid or ignorant statements like that.
I would have to disagree MH.Lets have a look at the electromagnet that I made(remember-my electromagnet-not little johny's down the road) Side by side with a PM,in the same test condition's.PM shows the lorentz force by way of a vortex spin around the magnet,how ever,there is no such sign of said lorentz force by way of spin on the electromagnet. So that particular electromagnet design shows different magnetic properties than that of a PM. I would say that was some sort of discovery-wouldnt you?.
And if we look at my last two video's,i would say that there is defently reason to keep looking-keep experimenting.
So you ask many people many questions,and put forth to them many !!do you know how it works!!
So in the fairness of all involved,could you tell me(us) exactly why my electromagnet shows no spin like that of the PM?.
In order to pass judgment on weather TA is correct or wrong in regards to his theories,you must know all there is to know about a magnets properties. What confusion would come if i showed a PM cylinder magnet of same inner and outer dimentions as the electromagnets core,and it showed a clear spin?.What if i have replaced the hollow core of the electromagnet with a solid iron core,and it still shows no spin-throughout a wide range of field strengths. All im saying is,there are many unanswered question about magnetic field's,and NO ONE has all the answers yet. So unless anyone is 100% full bottles on magnetic fields,then judgment cant be made.
Quote from: tinman on July 25, 2014, 06:13:36 AM
Many here keep questioning "OTHER METHODS / DEVICES" for proving double magnetic vortex and the inertial dielectric plane.
Well, I wrote the last section on the missing secret of TEM,
which is NOT (entirely) electromagnetic, but has a Z axis radial dielectric. I wrote that section for a reason based upon Heavisides implications on the genuine nature of light. However even he didnt ever "get it".
We have established a "device" using 3 to 6 wavelength lasers (I will not specify) but here is ONE channel at a wavelength of 635 nm , and
only snapshots off a video,.....NO VIDEO will be posted (I will not post it until things are locked in).
Nobody here can/will figure out how the device works since it uses a good bit of equipment ;D, splitter, a special lens, XXXXX, and yes, (obviously) a special spinning prism
But, suffice to say, I can reproduce (obviously using lasers) the magneto-dielectric field of a strong magnet in some amazing details.
It still blows my mind to see a laser, a single channel form a vortex as it 'paints' the field within which the magnetism of the magnet displaces the dielectric component of light, or along the dielectric where the magnetism is torn asunder in the light
This is ONE device out of 5 nobody ANYWHERE (except for 3 of us) has ever seen before to show magnetic field reciprocation, and using ALL channels, easily shows the dielectric, the centripetal and centrifugal 'working' together as you twist the magnet, and move the broadcast beams.
As they used to say on the NEWS, "you saw it here first" ;D
This is just another example of "We don't know everything already" so let's give some consideration to new or different ideas (like TA has):
From Science Magazine at: http://news.sciencemag.org/chemistry/2014/05/static-electricity-defies-simple-explanation
"Static Electricity Defies Simple Explanation
If you've ever wiggled a balloon against your hair, you know that rubbing together two different materials can generate static electricity. But rubbing bits of the same material can create static, too. Now, researchers have shot down a decades-old idea of how that same-stuff static comes about.
The same-material phenomenon produces important real-world effects, such as generating lightening in volcanic eruptions, gumming up the processing of powders in manufacturing, and causing explosions in grain elevators. Physicists thought they understood what was going on, but suddenly "the dominant theory appears to be dead," says Troy Shinbrot, an applied physicist at Rutgers University, New Brunswick, in New Jersey who was not involved in the new work."
Article continues at the link above but I think that says enough to validate that we "don't already know everything". The more I know the more I know how little we know. ???
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 08:26:52 AM
We have established a "device" using 3 to 6 wavelength lasers (I will not specify) but here is ONE channel at a wavelength of 480NM , and only snapshots off a video,.....NO VIDEO will be posted (I will not post it until things are locked in).
480nm? Blue??
Quote from: e2matrix on July 25, 2014, 11:36:09 AM
This is just another example of "We don't know everything already" so let's give some consideration to new or different ideas (like TA has):
From Science Magazine at: http://news.sciencemag.org/chemistry/2014/05/static-electricity-defies-simple-explanation
"Static Electricity Defies Simple Explanation
THIS is what Eric P Dollard has been screaming about for DECADES, dielectricity, or electrostatics. It really really is almost a 100% lost premise
BUT it forms MOST of Teslas research, and investigation by Faraday, Maxwell and Heaviside.
People think dielectrics are "insulators", they are JUST THE OPPOSITE
http://journal.borderlands.com/1987/the-fallacy-of-conductors/
natures NATURAL "electricity" isnt electricity at all, its DIelectricity. My amazing discoveries and other things, and uncovering the missing element of light is based IN dielectrics
The wave-particle duality BULLSH*T is out the window in understanding dielectrics
testing of photoelectric effect is right, but its conclusions are 100% WRONG. The E and M of LIGHT (gamma, Xray etc etc) is NOT responsible for the results of the photoelectric effect.
electromagnetism is merely a carrier of its radial component.
electricity is a byproduct OF Phi (magnetism) and Psi (dielectricity)........... The 800 pound gorilla that is going to turn the world upside down with countless new inventions MUST be and WILL be in dielectrics, not electricity.
From that article link:
If equal numbers of electrons hopped in both directions, nothing much would change. But that's where the size difference comes in. As Lowell and Truscott explained it, only one point of the sphere touches the plane, and it has just a few electrons to give and a larger number of empty states with which to absorb them. In contrast, a larger streak of the plane comes in contact with the sphere, so it has plenty of electrons to give. So more electrons hop from plane to sphere than vice versa, leaving the sphere negatively charged and the plane positively charged and creating the static. Other researchers showed how the theory could apply to grains of two different sizes.
<<<<<
THIS IS WHY THOSE MENTAL MIDGETS dont know what is going on, the entire stinking world is BRAINWASHED by Greek Atomism rehashed,
The "unicorn pixie dust discharge particle" i.e. the electron is PURE CRAP, 100%"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the
'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the
magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated"
- C.P. Steinmetz (Electric
Discharges, Waves and Impulses)The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by
Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged
Heaviside to begin a series of writings
"Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve
Biller
"Here we will dispel the "electronics nerd" concept that a capacitor stores "electrons" in its plates. Taking the pair of copper plates
as in the previous experiment, but now we have two pairs of plates, one pair of plates distant from the other pair of plates. Upon one
pair of plates is imposed an electro-static potential between them. The cube of 10-C oil is inserted between this "charged" set of plates.
This hereby establishes a dielectric field of induction within the unit cube of 10-C oil. Now we then remove this cube of oil,
withdrawing it from the space bounded by the charged pair of copper plates, and taking this unit cube of oil, it is then inserted into the
space bounded by the other uncharged pair of plates. Upon insertion it is found that the un-charged pair of plates have now in fact
become charged also. It here can be seen that a cube of dielectric induction can be carried through space, from one set of plates to
another set of plates." – E. Dollard
Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end
of one unit line of dielectric induction.
"The notion exists that the electro-motive force, E.M.F. in volts, is established by "cutting" lines of magnetic induction via a socalled
electric conductor. This "cutting" is then said to impel the motions of so-called electrons within the conducting material. It is
however that a perfect conductor cannot "cut" through lines of induction, or flux lines, Phi. Heaviside points out that the perfect
conductor is a perfect obstructer and magnetic induction cannot gain entry into the so-called conducting material. So where is the
current, how then does an E.M.F. come about? Now enters the complication; it can be inferred that an electrical generator that is
wound with a perfect conducting material cannot produce an E.M.F. No lines of flux can be cut and the Ether gets wound up in a knot.
Heaviside remarks that the practitioners of his day "do a good deal of churning up the Ether in their dynamos". – E. Dollard
You cannot say that stretching a trillion rubber bands nailed to the floor and releasing them or breaking their "force lines" is the
"flow of electrons"; discharge is a terminal movement in systems of inductance or dielectric capacitance. There are no discrete
particles in the universe and certainly none that mediate charges, discharges, magnetism, electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation,
only fields, all modalities of the Ether. The so-called 'electrons' are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle
of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "electrons", nor assuredly are there energy
discharges in the vacuum of space involving 'electrons'; the 'electron' is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty
mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist. Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization;
magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge;
dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q;
'electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.
There are no electrons, negative charges, special-dimensions, warped space (resoundingly denied by Tesla and others), and no
photons; only charge, induction and radiation/discharges and their relational spins, all as mediated thru the Ether. Quantum and
Relativity is a quack religion of mathematical physics based upon the absurd premise that the universe is a giant sea of interactive
massless tiny invisible beads and that space itself, nothing, mediates interactions and can be genuinely 'warped'. Such conceptual
Atomistic reifications as amplified by GR (Relativity) cannot be enjoined, and the only genuine warping occurring is not out in the
cosmos of space, but in the empty spaces between the ears of those who reify such absurdities; warped minds rationally would invent
warped space; its purely logical in its insanity that the former produce the later.
Space has only one dimension, space, which is a metrical dimension. The use of cubic notation is habit-based, any number of coordinates
in any number of geometries can serve to define the boundaries of space. Nature is not governed by the irrational
pontifications of GR and QM, rather it is governed by mutually interactive reciprocal conjugates of charges-discharges, centripetalcentrifugal
movements, both spatial and counterspatial. Instantaneous action at a distance, and fields are all Ether modality mediations
as propagated by counterspace-in-disturbance, the Ether, its pressure gradients and perturbations. No other mediator can be logically
hypothesized, much less theorized. The very same Ether of Tesla, Heaviside, C.P. Steinmetz, and even originally from Einstein before
logic fled his mind completely, was correct and remains so. Tesla outright denied our current definition of the electron as a 'discharge
particle'.
All electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force (as reified by the incorrect
understanding of the definition of a 'field'), these pressure gradients, or "lines" are contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving
motion to the terminus 'electron'. The thermionic 'electron' contracts, pulling the 'electron', the cathode ray stretching, pulled by the
'electron'. In the former case the lines of force are dissipated, in the latter case the line of force are projected, in both cases these socalled
'electrons' assume radial motions, with non participating pressure gradients, or forces filling the 'voids', directing the
'electrons'. Hence, it is the so-called 'electrons' (dielectric radial discharges) that travel in straight lines, that is, radially. 'Electrons'
have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; the so-called 'electrons' are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. 'Electrons' are in
fact the resistance. From extensive experimental work into atomic electrical science by J. J. Thompson, and Nikola Tesla, it is
established that the so-called electron is only a shadow; its apparent-only physical mass is merely an electrical momentum (ejected by
the dielectric inertia in disturbance). There is no rest mass to an electron nor could there be logically, a rest-electron 'bead'; such
notions are absurd and evidence proven non-existent. The very premise is logically impossible and contradicts the rational physics of
atomic charges and discharges
Quote from: e2matrix on July 25, 2014, 11:36:09 AM
This is just another example of "We don't know everything already" so let's give some consideration to new or different ideas (like TA has):
From Science Magazine at: http://news.sciencemag.org/chemistry/2014/05/static-electricity-defies-simple-explanation (http://news.sciencemag.org/chemistry/2014/05/static-electricity-defies-simple-explanation)
"Static Electricity Defies Simple Explanation
If you've ever wiggled a balloon against your hair, you know that rubbing together two different materials can generate static electricity. But rubbing bits of the same material can create static, too. Now, researchers have shot down a decades-old idea of how that same-stuff static comes about.
The same-material phenomenon produces important real-world effects, such as generating lightening in volcanic eruptions, gumming up the processing of powders in manufacturing, and causing explosions in grain elevators. Physicists thought they understood what was going on, but suddenly "the dominant theory appears to be dead," says Troy Shinbrot, an applied physicist at Rutgers University, New Brunswick, in New Jersey who was not involved in the new work."
Article continues at the link above but I think that says enough to validate that we "don't already know everything". The more I know the more I know how little we know. ???
Read that article carefully and read the post immediately above this one. They cannot both be right. But they can most certainly both be wrong. Note that the Tattooed Genius is claiming that the science that has constructed the technology that completely surrounds us and enables our very lives is wrong and that the entities, like electrons, that it manipulates so facilely and productively don't even exist. And he's posting from a computer!
Quote from: picowatt on July 25, 2014, 12:19:50 PM
480nm? Blue??
Magenta is the new blue, didn't you know? Or maybe you need your white balance adjusted. Or maybe the CCDs in his mighty 3-chip video camera are all confused because the entities they are made to deal with... don't exist.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 25, 2014, 04:08:57 PM
But they can most certainly both be wrong. Note that the Tattooed Genius is claiming that the science that has constructed the technology that completely surrounds us and enables our very lives is wrong and that the entities,
I said no such thing, you proven liar of vile filth. Getting ACCURATE results, and getting 100% wrong conclusions is sciences (so-called) biggest fuck up.
I used to repair computers, dont even think of giving me a heads up on a computer, boy.
The TECH that surrounds you and me are ELECTRICAL, ...............the REAL COMPUTER, idiot, is your brain and nervous system which are DIELECTRICAL
same as lightning.
So, you, pathetically, in DEMONIC IGNORANCE, are denying dielectrics using your brain that WORKS off electrostatic charge/discharge (i.e. dielectricity).
Since you are WHOLLY UNREAD on electrical theory, let me give your a HEADS up on HOW MUCH dielectricity plays a part in
MOST of Teslas works, MUCH of Heaviside, and Maxwells writings.
Tesla created the AC electrical generator, but MOST of Tesla's focus, as he himself ADMITS was in electrostatics, ie DIELECTRICITY.
You son, are a "fools fool"
mass/gravity and electricity are BOTH byproducts of the interplay etc. between natures 2 Principles, Dielectricity and Magnetism.
The Ether is the Ether is the Ether, Ive already proven in the video the simple modality extrapolation to get ALL 4 Field modalities.
>>>>>>>Electrostatics are "natures" electrical modality of operation, BOY <<<<<<<<<<
FACT
: Electricity is the PRODUCT OF PHI (magnetism) and PSI (dielectricity) = Q (electrification in Planck). That means, BOY, that Electricity is a WHOLLY DIFF. creature than DIELECTRICITY.
>>>>>
And as I proved about 8 pages ago, proved you BOTH a stinking LIAR, and very VILE DISGUSTING PERSON. <<<<<<
Boy, because of MY understanding of **~*~*~*~*~DIELECTRICITY*~*~*~*~*~*..................I'm the first person ever to deliver to the world the ACCURATE model of
WHAT a magnet is, HOW it works, and WHY it works
Whats more, I get RESULTS, ......... Tinman did same in less than 72 HOURS,..........NOW his brain is spinning with IDEAS like his magnet, that will hopefully make him a fortune in invention.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 25, 2014, 04:08:57 PM
completely surrounds us and enables our very lives
Proven liar and proven spreader of filth..........
YOUR VERY LIFE i.e. your body runs off dielectricity.
what you USE in your daily life, runs off electricity.If you dont know this simple fact, then you know LESS THAN NOTHING
Quote from: picowatt on July 25, 2014, 12:19:50 PM
480nm? Blue??
Those were snaps off the video of single channel 635 nm, yes yes, my err. I havent slept in nearly 4 days.
Par-don. :P
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 25, 2014, 04:08:57 PM
is claiming that the science that has constructed the technology that completely surrounds us and enables our very lives
Let me define
*~*~*~*~~*~*IRONY*~*~*~*~*~*~ for you , demon seed and 'fools fool'
A: Tesla invents the AC motor, for electrification to "feed the world with AC" power
B: MOST of Teslas research was NOT in electricity but Dielectricity and he STATED that the future devices (the star trek level stuff) will be based off DIELECTRICITY, This is why he focused in on longitudinal DIELECTRIC transmission and power, and devices.
C: MANKIND'S BIGGEST DREAM IS INVENTING SPACE-AGE SH*T THAT WILL BEND SCIENCE IN HALF, ....ANTI-GRAVITY..... ETC ETC.........
..This technology will be RUN and created by DIELECTRICITY............not electricity. D: Electricity is great stuff, but the FUTURE of INCREDIBLE INVENTION will be DIELECTRICITY, which was Teslas MAIN WORK......and Steinmentz, and Heaviside.
E: Natures fundamental FORCE is dielectricity, .......to create FUTURE TECH requires making devices that "BEND" , "TWIST" , and "RUN" off dielectricity, NOT electricity.
F: Everything BEGINS and ends with Dielectricity, NOT electricity.
G: You just got the ACCURATE model of a Magnet by someone who GRASPS dielectricity............ a fool who only thinks in terms of electricity / magnetism NEVER EVER COULD have produced these results.
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the
'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the
two components of the electric field, the
magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated"
- C.P. Steinmetz (Electric
Discharges, Waves and Impulses)You are , perpetually, refuted. SEE PIC BELOW, its the FUTURE, its DIELECTRICITY
This is why
Tesla said "TODAY IS THEIRS, THE FUTURE IS MINE"......... meaning your electrical world (he gave you, and Westinghouse) is 'today'
The future, DIELECTRICS, is "HIS".
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."
― Richard Buckminster Fuller
the "FIELD OF DIELECTRICITY" (meaning magnetism) - J.C. Maxwell
RESULTS, time after time, the SAME:
"results WALK......bullsh*t TALKS"
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 06:04:54 PM
RESULTS, time after time, the SAME:
Interesting. I tried the same and have the opposite effect.
Celsus
Quote
Interesting. I tried the same and have the opposite effect.
----------------------------------------
you also have to be nice !
No bad Vibes just sweet lullaby's Or spawn of satan demon seed will infest your jar and stifle its growth.....
So Ken
Maybe a Bit of shuteye would be a good idea?
we got this, and we'll still be here later on.
Besides we have a lot of reading to catch up on...
thx
Chet
Quote from: ramset on July 25, 2014, 08:23:41 PM
No bad Vibes just sweet lullaby's Or spawn of satan demon seed will infest your jar and stifle its growth.....
I know the mistake he was making , he was either -------
A: putting the seeds ONLY on "one side" , THE SEEDS HAVE TO BE TAPED ALONG THE CENTRIFUGAL EDGE
B: Very very common error confusing the fields of the magnet
;)
"Magnetism is the dielectric field" –
Michael Faraday"Magnetism is the discharge Ether modality of dielectricity in termination. Dielectricity is counterspatial, magnetism is spatial, all radiation, all discharges in the universe are spatial by nature and definition. Magnetism, therefore is the necessitated polarized (creates space) co-eternal conjugate to dielectricity."
-Ken WheelerIm eating magnetic radiated seeds now ;D ;D
South Pole sprouts also taste better, more mellow and rich
SEE PICTURE BELOW, I FINALLY PHOTOGRAPHED THE AETHER!!! ,........BEFORE IT IS MODULATED INTO ANY OF ITS 4 MODALITIES!!!
(humor)
No Ken
Thats what the back of your eyelids look like...
I know you hardly ever see that ,you should hang it on the wall so you can see what your missin....
4 days with No sleep ..who do you think you are TinMan??
@actually I'm not sure he has slept since you started this thread ...
Later
Chet
Quote from: celsus on July 25, 2014, 07:53:29 PM
Interesting. I tried the same and have the opposite effect.
Are you in the southern hemisphere?
Quote from: Acca on July 24, 2014, 05:32:13 PM
... I also made ways of making "non-magnetic metals" magnetic.. Sorry can show but not tell !!
Acca..
Acca,
Would your methods be the same, different, of similar to Brian David Anderson's tri-vortex technology ?
Regards...
Tinman:
If PW works with you on your tests you will be in excellent hands, he is the real thing. I don't have the bandwidth to follow myself. Nothing has been discovered, it's just a question of explaining the phenomena that you observe.
I made a posting that potentially explained the reason that you did not observe the vortex effect with the solenoid and suggested a test.
All of these observations require that you account for the magnetic field pattern and the current flow pattern. It's the cross product between these two that determine the direction and the amount of force. The magnetic field pattern is fairly easy to estimate. The current flow pattern is less easy, and I have not seen it being discussed seriously. So my suggestion is when you do a test then you draw diagrams where you map everything out.
The current flow is less easy to visualize and I am willing bet that many can't just by the lack of discussion about it. The current flows in a curvilinear fashion. That's something that people should look up otherwise they are just whizzing in the wind.
For the magnetic field viewing film, I probably have looked at 30+ clips over the years and I have never seen anyone use it properly. In fact, almost all of them just blankly stare at the pattern and say that it "confirms" their assumptions or findings. It's a great tool but if you don't know how to use it, if you don't make a effort to understand how it works, you don't make a serious attempt to use it and explain to your audience how and why you are doing what you are doing.... then it's no better than an "idiot light" on the dash board of a car.
Take the example of screenshot 1812. The green line is there and it's showing you that just a tiny part of the magnetic field at the centerline is parallel to the the film. You know the toroidal pattern of the magnetic field and the polarization of the magnet therefore you know that's where the field is vertical. The darker blobs above and below are because the magnetic field is crossing through the film and are not parallel to the film. The brighter parts on either side of the green line are showing you how parts of the toroidal field pattern are also parallel to the plane of the film. However, they are not necessarily vertical in the outer blobs. The viewing film does not tell you the exact direction in the plane itself, just that the field is running in the plane of the film.
It looks like the film is bright when the angle of the field relative to the plane of the film is perhaps 15 degrees or less. Whereas between 15 and 90 degrees the film is dark. However, knowing the limitations of the film, you can still move it about in various orientations with respect to the magnet and after 10 or 15 minutes you should have enough data to have a pretty decent understanding of what the 3D magnetic field looks like around any magnetic object.
Now, what I wrote above off the top of my head is the most "scholarly" discussion of an image (attached) and how to actually use the film that I have ever seen in any video clip or on any posting on the free energy forums. Why is that?
Instead, many people place the film on a magnet and see the same line Theoria is talking about and say, "Bloch wall!" Theoria sees the same line and says "Dielectric Inertial Plane!" When all that it really is is a small portion of the magnetic field generated by the magnet just off one of square faces is in the same plane as the film itself. In other words, it's same old toroidal magnetic field pattern we all know.
I will repeat what I said above. If you want to explain what you are seeing in your clips then do the clip and diagram it out. Draw how you think the current is flowing through the water then do the cross product with the magnetic field. If you don't know where the current s flowing then research it. The do the cross product. (Note the current flow itself produces a magnetic field.) PW said that you may also have positive ion flow in the water. Positive ions will curl in an opposite direction to electron flow and perhaps depending on the situation one will predominate over the other. It may also be related to the amount of current flow. I don't know, I am just mentioning a possible variable. (YES it is a significant variable because the magnetic field from the current flow could overwhelm the magnetic field from the magnet or the solenoid.) I am not 'tasking' you with anything but what I do know is that at typical forum researcher will not go into that level of depth. Theoria is more typical where he sees something and just jumps onto his own "explanation bandwagon" without making any more tests. When that happens things quickly degenerate into a farce.
Final thought for you: Can you come up with a basic form of measurement probe that might help you to map out how the current flows in the water? It took me all of five seconds to come up with one in my head.
MileHigh
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 25, 2014, 10:18:23 PM
Acca,
Would your methods be the same, different, of similar to Brian David Anderson's tri-vortex technology ?
Regards...
QuoteAlso, items treated by the harmonic frequencies have been reported to provide soothing comfort, increased energy levels, pain relief (and decrease) swelling in humans and animals. Application and use of products or items treated by the Tri-Vortex® Technology harmonic frequencies are very simple, yet have countless applications. Just place any Tri-Vortex® Technology product against any sized liquid container, or on the area of the body with pain or swelling. The Tri-Vortex® Technology product does not have to be in the liquid for the treatment. (The product will work when the body is clothed, too.)
Can I get away with saying "
JACKASS" just once considering all of the Captain Zero thuggery?
Quote from: MileHigh on July 25, 2014, 10:38:15 PM
Can I get away with saying "JACKASS" just once considering all of the Captain Zero thuggery?
Apparently we are all just going to have to live with this sociopathetic asshole dirtying up this thread with his incessant interference...no matter how many of us tell him to stop posting here.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 25, 2014, 10:48:56 PM
Apparently we are all just going to have to live with this sociopathetic asshole dirtying up this thread with his incessant interference...no matter how many of us tell him to stop posting here.
Regards...
You had better look in the mirror dude because you are the bad guy. Go drink some resonant water to get your lopsided psyche in balance, there are about 100 brands out there.
I know from experience that this troll will get frustrated and leave if he/it is totally ignored or simply just referred to as I did above.
After he/it make all kinds of mouth foaming accusations, of course.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 25, 2014, 11:01:57 PM
I know from experience that this troll will get frustrated and leave if he/it is totally ignored or simply just referred to as I did above.
After he/it make all kinds of mouth foaming accusations, of course.
Regards...
I dont think rational thinking on one's understandings, makes them a troll Z.
To find the truth,we need to people on both side's of the fence involved.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 25, 2014, 10:34:19 PM
Tinman:
Instead, many people place the film on a magnet and see the same line Theoria is talking about and say, "Bloch wall!" Theoria sees the same line and says "Dielectric Inertial Plane!" When all that it really is is a small portion of the magnetic field generated by the magnet just off one of square faces is in the same plane as the film itself. In other words, it's same old toroidal magnetic field pattern we all know.
MileHigh
A: YES, of course its a toroid. Who said it wasnt? Did you think dielectric inertial plane is something wholly diff than a dielectric toroid (however an extremely acute one)
B: NO its not a "small portion" of the magnet field monkey, its the energy ENERGY focus, in dielectricity which powers the macro-magnetic system.
Magnetism IS the radiation of dielectricity in discharge."Magnetism is the dielectric field" – Michael Faraday
"Magnetism is the discharge Ether modality of dielectricity in termination. Dielectricity is counterspatial, magnetism is spatial, all radiation, all discharges in the universe are spatial by nature and definition. Magnetism, therefore is the necessitated polarized (creates space) co-eternal conjugate to dielectricity." - Author
C: NO, It cannot by ANY LOGIC be a "part of the MAGNETIC FIELD", Magnetism is the polarized (= SPACE) necessitated conjugate to dielectricity.
D: you said----->>>>When all that it really is is a small portion of the magnetic field generated by the magnet<<<<<<<
Congrats, you just said the BABY gave birth to the BABY ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
That dielectric inertial plane ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS IMMEDIATELY SELF-CENTERS, due to change, or in voidance (bringing 2 "magnets" together).
It self centers the same way gravity does, ( dielectricity terminates INTO matter creation in enormous power system/ galactic/ stellar) .
Quote from: tinman on July 25, 2014, 11:21:16 PM
I dont think rational thinking on one's understandings, makes them a troll Z.
I have never held that position tm...its all the other disruptive things he does.
To find the truth,we need to people on both side's of the fence involved.
Reasoned discussiongenerates productive advancements, irrational skepticism are counter productive and end up in circular debate.
I watch all that goes on in relevant threads and am very aware of patterns of behavior...a useful tool gained through childhood abuse...which served to toughen me up for what was to come later in life.
Regards...
Everything that has been discussed or observed in this entire thread is explained by this guy's clips:
https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos
Noteworthy clips from the channel:
Calculating the Magnetic Field Due to a Moving Point Charge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waTF7kjmmt8&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg
Force on a Charged Particle Moving in a Magnetic Field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg
Charged Particles Moving Through Electric and Magnetic Fields
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg
A way of describing a magnet is that is just a piece of metal that has been zapped into a lower state of entropy by aligning the magnetic domains. It's an unstable state of higher energy and it will decay over time.
The only vortex is due to the Lorentz forces. The presence of the magnet can be the cause of the vortex but it is not the source of the vortex, or the source of the energy for the vortex. I have gone full circle here, I said this stuff earlier in the thread.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 25, 2014, 11:59:44 PM
Everything that has been discussed or observed in this entire thread is explained by this guy's clips:
https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos
NOPE , those CRAP videos show descriptions, NOT explanations of ANYTHING, ........NOR IS THERE EVEN A SINGLE VIDEO IN THAT SERIES explaining what a FIELD is ROFL!!!
NOR are there in videos in that series detailing AT ALL how a magnet works
Nope and double nope. Sorry
Quote from: MileHigh on July 25, 2014, 11:59:44 PM
A way of describing a magnet is that is just a piece of metal that has been zapped into a lower state of entropy by aligning the magnetic domains. It's an unstable state of higher energy and it will decay over time.
Sorry, but since IAAAD (instant action at a distance) and
FIELDS HAVE NEVER EVER been explained by ANY branch of physics, your earlier claim like this one, is nonsense.
Nope, it remains the same because it IS stable. Its only a dis-equalibrium between the dielectric inter-atomic and the magnetism resultant to the increased capacitance..
So, nope and double nope. And nonsense to boot.
Let me show you how complex a magnet is:You increase the CAPACITANCE via dielectricity, you increase its DISCHARGE/RADIATION via magnetism
tough, ehh????
Quote from: MileHigh on July 25, 2014, 11:59:44 PM
The only vortex is due to the Lorentz forces. The presence of the magnet can be the cause of the vortex but it is not the source of the vortex, or the source of the energy for the vortex. I have gone full circle here, I said this stuff earlier in the thread.
MileHigh
NOPE, its called
gyromagnetic rotation due to nucleal precession. Even MRI techs know about the
larmor frequency,
..........seems you dont even know THAT MUCH ;D ;D
GR and QM, your
"sacred cow" of Particle Mysticism, its dead, and only alive in the minds of the inept.
Nature doesnt mediate charge/discharge centripetal/centrifugal spatial/counterspatial with magical unicorn and pixie dust particles.
Its FIELDS son.
And guess what, NO BRANCH of "science" has EVER explained a FIELD. They cant, because they KNOW damn well they have nothing to do with particles
Theoria,
What you are saying is just a word salad. Plus I am willing to bet you had no clue how the magnetic field viewing film worked until tonight. You might have bluster but there is nothing behind it. It's not that hard to see through you.
If I worked in a fish market then it would take me five seconds to know if you knew how to gut a fish or not. It's just the way it is.
I don't see a "dumb-ass stumbling event" in your future like Captain Zero is hoping for.
MileHigh
P.S.: Since you have all of that righteous indignation, then YOU explain what a field REALLY IS to us.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 26, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
What you are saying is just a word salad. Plus I am willing to bet you had no clue how the magnetic field viewing film worked until tonight
As a consumate expert in Platonism, I can spot a fallacy a mile away. That nonsense is off topic, and proves you have nothing to offer.
Its velocity film and operates the same way Gauss meters do except in field velocity gradients / displacement. That "viewing film" only shows 3 things
A: the inertial plane
B: the centrifugal edge
C: the centripetal point in a fuzzy displaced brighter spot.
I dont even USE or mess with it anymore, Im on to liquid suspensions, lasers, beam splitters, bismuth, optical glass and ferrofluid and many other devices!!! ;D ;D
Dont make statements your fanny cannot pay out.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 26, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
Theoria,
What you are saying is just a word salad. Plus I am willing to bet you had no clue how the magnetic field viewing film worked until tonight. You might have bluster but there is nothing behind it. It's not that hard to see through you.
If I worked in a fish market then it would take me five seconds to know if you knew how to gut a fish or not. It's just the way it is.
I don't see a "dumb-ass stumbling event" in your future like Captain Zero is hoping for.
MileHigh
Who can take these words seriously ?
When someone falsely accuses you of exposing his private email on here, his credibility equates to ZERO
Pardon the pun if you wood.
Regards...
P.S.: Since you have all of that righteous indignation, then YOU explain what a field REALLY IS to us.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 26, 2014, 12:29:17 AM
P.S.: Since you have all of that righteous indignation, then YOU explain what a field REALLY IS to us.
The word FIELD is the evil "skeleton in the basement" for ALL branches of physics, but by physics I mean a structure built around GR and QM (general relativity and quantum bullshat).
Approach any physics professor and ask him one thing
"Define FIELD , please"He will twitch like snail in a SALT BATHEverything is mediated by , thru, in, and between FIELDS, ......
..Every god*amn thing.
But thats the one word that scares the sh*t out of them. Even in their insanity, they KNOW that Fields dont have SHIT to do with ANY type of particle :o
Circular fallacy????????-------- Call a FIELD a region, and a REGION = FIELD ROFL!!!!
Force????????? OF WHAT????????? there are NO PARTICLES that define ANY FING FIELD...............next.
The world "FIELD" is like having a child with 3 eyeballs and one leg you NEVER WANT ANYONE TO SEE...........thats what the word FIELD is to "science" (so-called)
Ask a "scientist" (like a child would) "OK,......so thats the magnet,......what that stuff going out AROUND the magnet, since it cannot be particles, and it certainly isnt SPACE, since Tesla and others said Space is Xaos/nothing/a privation" ;D
Space doesnt DO anything, it only gives definitional boundaries WITHIN a field, not from WITHOUT it.
Nobody has ever seen space "do something" ROFL ;D
watch em' twitch
Ahh, I see, so you can't answer the question either.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 26, 2014, 12:46:35 AM
Ahh, I see, so you can't answer the question either.
Me? ....Its in the book, about 2 pages.... which is almost an insult, since I'm working on a huge book on the FULL denotation of FIELDS
and go figure, the Greeks got it right so so so very long ago. The Khora/Chora ('field').
As I may have mentioned before, Im a translator of ancient Greek, (and Russian, and prakrit .....few others).
...... let me show you an excerpt from Aristotle on same from one of my books....
( I cannot even relate to you HOW MUCH the Greeks really understood so very very very long ago. The original Greek is mind blowing , especially that of Plotinus).
The translation below of "DOWN" is incorrect, in the Greek it means WITHIN, or COUNTERSPACE (the "nest of the Ether"- Plotinus)
μέσα ...meaning "within, inside, counterspace, point" (not literal point, but SUPER-POINT, as in energy fulcrum)
"UP" just means Spatial
"SIMPLE" means linear / radial (dielectricity)
"CIRCULAR" is the same, of course....as in magnetism.
"Einstein and his ilk reified space as 'something' that 'did things' and 'acted upon things'. This is the fallacy of attribute reification, and is a titanic error of thought and theory. Einstein has blamed the flies (forces) on the horse feces (space), completely ignoring the horse (fields) entirely. This brain wasting idiocy can and must come to an end given time and intelligent minds to see clearly. Nobody who has ever lived has seen space 'do' anything."
-Author
TinMan,
Are you sure your cylinder magnet is axially magnetized and not radially? If I remember correctly you previously stated you couldn't find your compass. The PM rotating in an opposite direction when the sides are taped is an indicator you are using a radially magnetized cylinder magnet instead of an axially magnetized magnet rotating on it's magnetic axis. Also, please compare the below quote made by you earlier in the thread with a comment you made in one of your latest videos (snapshot below). As you can see, in one statement you say the rotation direction doesn't change when flipping the magnet over, and in another statement you say the rotation direction does change when flipping the magnet around. The apparent contradiction in your statements may also be an indicator of you performing the tests with various magnets having different field configurations. Also, in one of your videos you referred to a radial magnet as being diametrically magnetized, or vice versa if my memory serves me correctly. An axially magnetized magnet rotating on it's magnetic axis will rotate in opposite directions when the magnet is flipped over. However, a radial magnetized magnet will rotate in the same direction when flipped around, and will rotate in opposite directions with the sides taped as compared to no tape. Can you please verify how your cylinder magnet is magnetized so there is no misunderstanding on my part.
Quote from: tinman on July 21, 2014, 08:39:38 AM
Of course i know that if we flip the magnet over,it will spin in the opposite direction,as it will if we swap the voltage polarity over.And if we do both at the same time,the spin direction wont change-all this i know Gravoc.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 26, 2014, 04:07:43 AM
TinMan,
Are you sure your cylinder magnet is axially magnetized and not radially? If I remember correctly you previously stated you couldn't find your compass. The PM rotating in an opposite direction when the sides are taped is an indicator you are using a radially magnetized cylinder magnet instead of an axially magnetized magnet rotating on it's magnetic axis. Also, please compare the below quote made by you earlier in the thread with a comment you made in one of your latest videos (snapshot below). As you can see, in one statement you say the rotation direction doesn't change when flipping the magnet over, and in another statement you say the rotation direction does change when flipping the magnet around. The apparent contradiction in your statements may also be an indicator of you performing the tests with various magnets having different field configurations. Also, in one of your videos you referred to a radial magnet as being diametrically magnetized, or vice versa if my memory serves me correctly. An axially magnetized magnet rotating on it's magnetic axis will rotate in opposite directions when the magnet is flipped over. However, a radial magnetized magnet will rotate in the same direction when flipped around, and will rotate in opposite directions with the sides taped as compared to no tape. Can you please verify how your cylinder magnet is magnetized so there is no misunderstanding on my part.
Gravock
Ok-my first quote you have put up,is in regards to my video's-a fixed view point.
The second quote is in regards to a view point associated with one pole of the magnet.If you flip the magnet over,then to obtain the correct field of view to the magnet,then you also must flip your self over 180*. Doing this now show's that the magnet is still spining in the same direction. Just like driving down the road in your car,and looking from the right side of the car,the wheels are spining CW. If we do a U turn,and travel in the opposite direction(180*),and look once again from the right side of the car-the wheels are still spining CW-even we are now traveling in the opposite direction.
All my magnets in the video's!bar one!,are axially magnetized. The video showing the cylinder magnet with the bubbles flowing from one side to the other,is diametrically magnetized.
Another variable which be of some interest and relavance here:
The stainless steel rod used in Paul Pantone's GEET engine system becomes magnetized during usage.
When held in a vertical position, a compass shows the nort pole on the top and the south at the bottom.
If the rod is flipped end to end, the north pole remains at the top.
It may be worth while to include one of these rods in the experiment.
Also interesting that after being used in the GEET engine, the rod ends up with rings on it, in what appears to be a frequency wave pattern.
Regards...
Do you think that there is anything more to Paul Pantone's GEET than cooking off volatiles?
Quote from: MarkE on July 26, 2014, 08:57:05 AM
Do you think that there is anything more to Paul Pantone's GEET than cooking off volatiles?
There certainly seems to be something unusual involved there...not sure just what tho.
Regards...
Of all the accounts that I have read of Pantone and Dennis Lee's copies of Pantone that Dennis pitched when Pantone was locked up in the mental hospital, no one showed measurements that established anymore energy out, or even energy out remotely approaching the chemical energy in the source fuel, be it: after shave, soda, or pickle juice. If one has carbohydrates, or hydrocarbons, then one has chemical bond energy that is potentially useable for fuel. Cooking off the aromatics, and volatiles is a way to get at some of that fuel.
Quote from: tinman on July 26, 2014, 05:39:03 AM
Ok-my first quote you have put up,is in regards to my video's-a fixed view point.
The second quote is in regards to a view point associated with one pole of the magnet.If you flip the magnet over,then to obtain the correct field of view to the magnet,then you also must flip your self over 180*. Doing this now show's that the magnet is still spining in the same direction. Just like driving down the road in your car,and looking from the right side of the car,the wheels are spining CW. If we do a U turn,and travel in the opposite direction(180*),and look once again from the right side of the car-the wheels are still spining CW-even we are now traveling in the opposite direction.
All my magnets in the video's!bar one!,are axially magnetized. The video showing the cylinder magnet with the bubbles flowing from one side to the other,is diametrically magnetized.
So, there is no possibility of you mistakenly using a radially magnetized magnet in the video where the rotation direction changed by taping the sides? This is the only thing that makes sense, unless you have stumbled upon a new undocumented phenomenon! If the latter is the case, then I find your anomalous experiment extremely interesting. I doubt there would even be a rotation with a diametrically magnetized magnet.
Thanks,
Gravock
Two select quotes from Captain Zero:
"When someone falsely accuses you of exposing his private email on here, his credibility equates to ZERO"
"Look what this drama queen Mile High just sent me in a PM...Hope you all got a little chuckle of of it too."
Possible explanation:
http://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html (http://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html)
"Cognitive dissonance refers to a situation involving conflicting attitudes, beliefs or behaviors.
This produces a feeling of discomfort leading to an alteration in one of the attitudes, beliefs or behaviors to reduce the discomfort and restore balance etc."
Sorry, just wanted to set that straight and establish who has the credibility problems. Bald-faced lying in an attempt to impugn the character of another person is despicable behaviour no matter what side of the fence you are on.
Back to the fantastical thread....
Quote from: gravityblock on July 26, 2014, 12:57:50 PM
So, there is no possibility of you mistakenly using a radially magnetized magnet in the video where the rotation direction changed by taping the sides? This is the only thing that makes sense, unless you have stumbled upon a new undocumented phenomenon! If the latter is the case, then I find your anomalous experiment extremely interesting.
Cherished sacred cows of "conventional science" are going
belly up at an increasing rate...............
Been telling you people. Grasping ALL THIS "new stuff" can ONLY be understood by comprehension of 2 PRINCIPLES
1. dielectricity
2. counterspace
Quote from: gravityblock on July 26, 2014, 12:57:50 PM
I doubt there would even be a rotation with a diametrically magnetized magnet.
I would have told you that there IS before the video was made.
Its obvious WHY
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 26, 2014, 04:29:18 PM
Cherished sacred cows of "conventional science" are going belly up at an increasing rate...............
Been telling you people. Grasping ALL THIS "new stuff" can ONLY be understood by comprehension of 2 PRINCIPLES
1. dielectricity
2. counterspace
I would have told you that there IS before the video was made. Its obvious WHY
What a load of claptrap. Can you show us something useful that this understanding allows you to do that can not be already done ?
You're sounding a lot like Eric Dollard, next you'll be telling us if we stand under an antenna array in one place we will also theoretically be standing under another antenna array in another place at the same time. So corny it's funny.
Or that you are exceeding light speed with energy propagation through a coil, then admitting that the energy simply takes a short cut. The propagation velocity that Eric gave himself a ticket for was bogus. The energy takes a short cut and the effect is predicted with online Tesla coil calculators as well as every person who operates a Tesla coil built within certain dimensions
also gets an "apparent" faster than light propagation velocity.
A serious case of delusions of grandeur and then egg on face. He also an abusive person with issues.
So how about it then ? Show us something useful that your superior understanding can produce that our inferior understanding cannot ?
You say you are not trying to convince anyone of anything but you sure seem to be trying real hard to do just that.
Counterspace pffftt just word soup. We have a space "like a room" where is the counterspace exactly ?
Or is it - When is the counterspace ?
..
Quote from: Farmhand on July 26, 2014, 04:46:52 PM
What a load of claptrap. Can you show us something useful that this understanding allows you to do that can not be already done ?
Counterspace pffftt just word soup. We have a space "like a room" where is the counterspace exactly ?
Or is it - When is the counterspace ?
Between the two of us,.............. one of us graduated college 3 years early, knows 7 languages, holds PATENTS, was chess champ in high school and college
AND HAS READ ALL THE WORKS OF HEAVISIDE, STEINMETZ, MAXWELL AND TESLA.The other person? None of that. ;D
Being ignorant is OK............being IN LOVE WITH YOUR OWN IGNORANCE in the face of facts and logic..., .........thats the filthy bitch that destroys people who refuse to mentally grow and understand.
Dollard..........hmmm.............whats your "groupie" count compared to his? (not that that is really proof of anything) ;D ;D
Dollard studied ALL THE GREATS more deeply than ALL OF YOU combined
Even people that hate him ADMIT THAT MUCH.Yes, son, COUNTERSPACE,
Space and Counterspace: A New Science of Gravity, Time and Light Paperback – January 1, 2009
http://www.amazon.com/Space-Counterspace-Science-Gravity-Light/dp/0863156703/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1406407997&sr=8-3&keywords=counterspace
Absolutely NOT A NEW CONCEPT
Telsa talked about Maxwell did (but in different terms)
You smarter than THEM? NOPE, not even CLOSE.
Quote from: Farmhand on July 26, 2014, 04:46:52 PM
our inferior understanding cannot ?
Your CLOSED brain full of hubris and SACRED COWS Of Quantum BULLSHIT that is at issue, son. ;D ;D
Just because YOU DONT GRASP things, is no reason to shoot the truth between the eyes, ...........youre full of HUBRIS and "SACRED COWS" of Quantum BS.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 26, 2014, 04:59:18 PM
Between the two of us,.............. one of us graduated college 3 years early, knows 7 languages, holds PATENTS, was chess champ in high school and college AND HAS READ ALL THE WORKS OF HEAVISIDE, STEINMETZ, MAXWELL AND TESLA.
The other person? None of that. ;D
Being ignorant is OK............being IN LOVE WITH YOUR OWN IGNORANCE in the face of facts and logic..., .........thats the filthy bitch that destroys people who refuse to mentally grow and understand.
Dollard..........hmmm.............whats your "groupie" count compared to his? (not that that is really proof of anything) ;D ;D
Dollard studied ALL THE GREATS more deeply than ALL OF YOU combined
Even people that hate him ADMIT THAT MUCH.
Yes, son, COUNTERSPACE,
Space and Counterspace: A New Science of Gravity, Time and Light Paperback – January 1, 2009
http://www.amazon.com/Space-Counterspace-Science-Gravity-Light/dp/0863156703/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1406407997&sr=8-3&keywords=counterspace
Absolutely NOT A NEW CONCEPT
Telsa talked about Maxwell did (but in different terms)
You smarter than THEM? NOPE, not even CLOSE.
Your CLOSED brain full of hubris and SACRED COWS Of Quantum BULLSHIT that is at issue, son. ;D ;D
Just because YOU DONT GRASP things, is no reason to shoot the truth between the eyes, ...........youre full of HUBRIS and "SACRED COWS" of Quantum BS.
Does this response from you mean you cannot answer Farmhand's question?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 26, 2014, 07:04:12 PM
Does this response from you mean you cannot answer Farmhand's question?
PW
Actually I DID, I gave him reference materials on counterspace.
There is ALSO a section in my EXPANDING book on same (and current edition AS WELL)
(which he NOR you read..........nor do I care if you do)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 26, 2014, 07:12:04 PM
Actually I DID, I gave him reference materials on counterspace.
There is ALSO a section in my EXPANDING book on same (and current edition AS WELL)
(which he NOR you read..........nor do I care if you do)
Sorry, I meant this first question in Farmhand's post:
"Can you show us something useful that this understanding allows you to do that can not be already done ?"
And I will add, or can you show us something unique, different, or predicted, that our current understanding does not predict, or explain, that your theory does?
PW
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 26, 2014, 04:59:18 PM
Between the two of us,.............. one of us graduated college 3 years early, knows 7 languages, holds PATENTS, was chess champ in high school and college AND HAS READ ALL THE WORKS OF HEAVISIDE, STEINMETZ, MAXWELL AND TESLA.
(snip irrelevant crap)
My my. All of that genius, not trying to convince anybody of anything, don't believe in OU or FE ... and yet you spend hours a day arguing with cretins and fools on the overunity dot com web forum.
Have you had your medications evaluated lately?
Quote from: gravityblock on July 26, 2014, 12:57:50 PM
So, there is no possibility of you mistakenly using a radially magnetized magnet in the video where the rotation direction changed by taping the sides? This is the only thing that makes sense, unless you have stumbled upon a new undocumented phenomenon! If the latter is the case, then I find your anomalous experiment extremely interesting. I doubt there would even be a rotation with a diametrically magnetized magnet.
Thanks,
Gravock
I have no radially magnetized magnets Gravoc,i have only diametrically and axially magnetized magnets,and i also show'd the field orientation with a compass in the video.I also changed the steel piece of bolt out for a S/S bolt that i super glue'd to the magnet,and no difference was seen.
After running another test on the electromagnet-and still geting no spin,i placed a thin weak ring magnet on top of the electromagnets core while the system was running. Straight away there was a very strong spin from the thin ring magnet(which is axially magnetized). Im starting to wonder if the electric field from the electromagnet is stopping the spin effect of the electromagnet some how?. Next to try, an electromagnet with a solid core.
TA,
The following quotes were taken from a paragraph on page 20 of your book:
Quote
Instead of 'conservation of energy', it should be called the 'conservation of the Ether'. However all fields are induced or transferred thru to another by the Ether alone, this means that induction cannot occur where the Ether is not, and likewise it means that (Tesla's discovery) inertia and momentum can be discharged by equilibrium with the Ether by a special means of grounding. Meaning a terawatt of power can vanish with no resultant effect, or that you could create a system where a body could decelerate from 1000MPH to 0 with no resultant forwards momentum, friction, or inertia. Contrary to popular belief that "energy cannot be destroyed, only transferred" is a myth.
Can you provide any details regarding an example of, or an experiment that can be performed, wherein even a kilowatt of power can be made to "vanish" with no resultant effect? (or even a single watt for that matter)
Likewise, can you explain how a thrown baseball, or any other moving object, can be immediately decelerated to zero MPH with "no resultant forward momentum, friction or inertia"?
Continuing the quote of that paragraph from your book:
QuoteThis only holds true if induction is possible and natural, energy can indeed be 'lost' completely, as was first discovered in AC generation stations where, before the generators got up to working inertias, enormous power is lost for a short time with no resultant dissipation into our world.
Do you have a link or reference with additional details and context relating to AC generation stations having an enormous power loss during spin-up "with no resultant dissipation into our world"?
Again, continuing that paragraph:
Quote
Ether is the "ultimate" medium (Tesla often interchanged the term "medium" with "Ether") - being a perfect 'fluid' and transporting independent carriers. Tesla said that electromagnetic radiation was propagated, like sound waves in the Ether. GR and QM, the cult of quantum, has merely displaced the Ether as "dark matter" which according to their (likely incorrect) calculations, comprises almost all the universe. Which means in fact, in their myopic misunderstanding, that the remaining few percent of the Universe are merely bundled Ether fields in stable forms (for a while) as plasma, elements, magnetism, gravity, and likewise. Therefore ultimately, of course, all is the Ether.
The above seems to indicate that Tesla considered the Ether a unique entity in and of itself. That is, a real "thing" thru which radiation propagates, existing independently prior to that propagation. If, as in the snippet above, EM radiation propagates thru the Ether "like sound waves", this would also infer that the Ether is composed of some "thing" that can be disturbed, and thru which, via these propagating disturbances, EM radiation can propagate. Is this your understanding?
PW
Quote from: tinman on July 26, 2014, 09:15:27 PM
After running another test on the electromagnet-and still geting no spin,i placed a thin weak ring magnet on top of the electromagnets core while the system was running. Straight away there was a very strong spin from the thin ring magnet(which is axially magnetized). Im starting to wonder if the electric field from the electromagnet is stopping the spin effect of the electromagnet some how?. Next to try, an electromagnet with a solid core.
Tinman,
In one of your videos, you attached what you said was a piece of "pipe" to the end of the PM to see if the effect could be extended to the end of the "pipe". When you said "pipe", I assumed that to be a hollow tube. If so, you might try repeating that test with solid bar stock. Insulate the sides of the magnet and bar stock.
If the spin can be created at the end of the bar above, the EM core could be made longer or extended similarly to reduce any effects due to the coil's field.
The use of a solid core with the EM is a good first thing to test, and as well, try to determine/match the relative strength of the field at the pole of the EM versus that of the PM. A lift test comparison or similar comes to mind.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 26, 2014, 07:16:53 PM
Sorry, I meant this first question in Farmhand's post:
"Can you show us something useful that this understanding allows you to do that can not be already done ?"
Yes I can,.........WILL I ? Some yes, on the next edition.
3 of the "BIG ONES" ? NO, ....Why?...... Patent attorney says "hell no!" ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 26, 2014, 08:22:55 PM
My my. All of that genius, not trying to convince anybody of anything,
I said it before, I will say it AGAIN,
believe whatever you want, Dont care, couldnt care less. Believe in angels, and pixie dust, and some guy in a hot place with a pitchfork..
... DONT CARE
Quote from: picowatt on July 26, 2014, 09:48:03 PM
Do you have a link or reference with additional details and context relating to AC generation stations having an enormous power loss during spin-up "with no resultant dissipation into our world"?
Yes, they are in Heavisides works, and Eric Dollard speaks about same in his book and video lectures, likewise
The resultant of no windage, and no power to the system and the POWER LOST is
enormous OVER A VERY VERY BRIEF period,....dont pretend I was speaking of enormous volumes of power.
Quote from: picowatt on July 26, 2014, 09:48:03 PM
The above seems to indicate that Tesla considered the Ether a unique entity in and of itself. That is, a real "thing" thru which radiation propagates, existing independently prior to that propagation. If, as in the snippet above, EM radiation propagates thru the Ether "like sound waves", this would also infer that the Ether is composed of some "thing" that can be disturbed, and thru which, via these propagating disturbances, EM radiation can propagate. Is this your understanding?
EM radiation propagation has a Z axis radial dielectric component. Dont misquote me.
Sound waves? No
The Ether can only disturbed
WITH, BY and THRU other Ether modalities, Phi x Psi = Q
electricity terminating (as) into magnetism,
"dielectric field"- Faraday / Maxwell (=MAGNETISM).
Its not "my understanding" its both fact, proven by Heaviside, Telsa, Dr. Oleg D Jefimenko, Dollard, and others.
spatial propagation can only occur at the allowance of the medium of induction ::)
busy with building a FERROCELL out of parts , just got done building it from an acquired lens.
Been busy EXPERIMENTING (not lip flapping), now tired as hell.... ughh
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 26, 2014, 11:29:18 PM
Been busy EXPERIMENTING (not lip flapping), now tired as hell.... ughh
You are not the only one who spends the bulk of their time experimenting.
The "lip flapping" comment was both rude and uncalled for.
PW
TA,
What about this:
Can you provide any details regarding an example of, or an experiment that can be performed, wherein even a kilowatt of power can be made to "vanish" with no resultant effect? (or even a single watt for that matter)
Likewise, can you explain how a thrown baseball, or any other moving object, can be immediately decelerated to zero MPH with "no resultant forward momentum, friction or inertia"?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 26, 2014, 11:51:28 PM
You are not the only one who spends the bulk of their time experimenting.
The "lip flapping" comment was both rude and uncalled for.
PW
while in reply to you, actually it was meant as aside to 'others'
Have a sense of humor, cheer up :o
yes yes, I hear to you do plenty of experimenting.
Quote from: picowatt on July 26, 2014, 11:59:03 PM
TA,
What about this:
Can you provide any details regarding an example of, or an experiment that can be performed, wherein even a kilowatt of power can be made to "vanish" with no resultant effect? (or even a single watt for that matter)
Likewise, can you explain how a thrown baseball, or any other moving object, can be immediately decelerated to zero MPH with "no resultant forward momentum, friction or inertia"?
PW
Tesla proved part A, can I replicate it?
No, nor did I claim I couldAs for part B:, the implication of grounding inertia has been the premise of a great deal of research and even the best from the "cult of quantum" agree that it must be possible.
0-time 0-inerita formulas for "electrical inertia (dielectricity)" are SPELLED out in Dr. Olegs works, ....suggest you buy his 3 main books.
"conservation of energy/inertia" only applies to ELECTRICAL and MAGNETIC mediums and inductions in
physical and electrical systems.
(the 'neither created nor destroyed')......this "Supreme Premise" >>>>>>>>DOES NOT APPLY to dielectricity. period. <<<<<<<
TheoriaApophasis, I should be referring to you as "my father" since you seem to think I am your son. So it's like this Daddy, if groupies are a measure of worth then the Hansons and One Direction are very worthy. As for Erics groupies it took them almost two
years to build a resonant Tesla Transformer some still haven't run them with any descent power levels.
I built my Transformer "the one that produced the double helix sparks in a few weeks and had a viable 600 Watt "restricted"
power supply to power it with a power factor of over 0.90. I tuned the coils (secondary and extra) so that the propagation velocity is almost spot on light speed, I could alter it to go either way.
And also Dad I don't even use the word Quantum, if I do it's very rarely. I don't buy what all the Theoretical physicists mumble on
about, the amount of good peoples hard earned money that goes to these vampires is ridiculous.
Eric's biggest problem is himself, he thinks he is special and that causes those that try to work with him or fund him to become
disinterested.
What I am interested in is knowledge that allows me to build circuits and machines to do as I wish them to do.
Since I do not believe in the destruction of energy or it's creation (as I am not a god and not even religious) I don't sweat about
trying to do those things.
The way I see it the claims you make about being able to destroy energy need to be demonstrated by you or valid evidence
presented or you should retract the claims.
So I need to ask again, can you show us something that your superior understanding will allow you to do that our inferior understanding will not allow us to do ? Or will we ever see any evidence of energy destruction ect.
Quote from: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 12:23:20 AM\
Eric's biggest problem is himself, he thinks he is special and that causes those that try to work with him or fund him to become
disinterested.
Well, that doesnt prove a SINGLE goddamn thing. (proves just the opposite)
Ive met some of the (actual, and genuine, not popularly thought of as) smartest minds alive, and ALL of them are bit "out there", some have issues, and other things. One I knew hated human contact, but he was a damn genius.
So what if he wants funding goddamit, he BUYS electrical shit with it. NOT HOOKERS AND BOOZE
People like Dollard would rather play with a roll of copper plate and a transformer than screw a supermodel.
THOSE are the sort of people you
want to HEAR from. Quote from: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 12:23:20 AM\
What I am interested in is knowledge that allows me to build circuits and machines to do as I wish them to do.
Good, sounds great, go study that then.
Quote from: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 12:23:20 AM\
The way I see it the claims you make about being able to destroy energy need to be demonstrated by you or valid evidence
presented or you should retract the claims.
I write a book about magnetism, and you take ONE reference to Teslas work AND its implications and attack THAT?
Yes, I know that fallacy very very well. Sorry, Ive seen that BS fallacy / tactic before OFTEN, .......wont work here.
Quote from: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 12:23:20 AM\
superior understanding will allow you to do that our inferior understanding
Its not your understanding, rather your closed mind, hubris and the absolute certainly of your own certainty.
Of all the types of people who have ever lived, there are only four types of gatekeepers of the mind. 1. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in everything, this is the most common type in the world.
2. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in nothing, this is the second most common type; of those that are sure they are right, and all others are wrong.
3. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in those things it likes or agrees with and not those things it does not like or agree with, even if those things are true and wise. This is the
third most common type.
4. The gatekeeper of the mind which judges things as wise and logical, and lets those things in, and judges things as unwise and irrational and bars them from entry into the mind. This type of gatekeeper of the mind is the most sublime and rare.
Open minds are only good up to a point at which nonsense, lies, and irrational chaos is allowed to enter.
Closed minds are only good up to a point where things wise and true are barred entry. At this point we must agree that wholly open minds are bad, and
wholly closed minds are equally as bad.
– Author
Quote from: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 12:23:20 AM
TheoriaApophasis, I should be referring to you as "my father" since you seem to think I am your son. So it's like this Daddy, if groupies are a measure of worth then the Hansons and One Direction are very worthy. As for Erics groupies it took them almost two
years to build a resonant Tesla Transformer some still haven't run them with any descent power levels.
I built my Transformer "the one that produced the double helix sparks in a few weeks and had a viable 600 Watt "restricted"
power supply to power it with a power factor of over 0.90. I tuned the coils (secondary and extra) so that the propagation velocity is almost spot on light speed, I could alter it to go either way.
And also Dad I don't even use the word Quantum, if I do it's very rarely. I don't buy what all the Theoretical physicists mumble on
about, the amount of good peoples hard earned money that goes to these vampires is ridiculous.
Eric's biggest problem is himself, he thinks he is special and that causes those that try to work with him or fund him to become
disinterested.
What I am interested in is knowledge that allows me to build circuits and machines to do as I wish them to do.
Since I do not believe in the destruction of energy or it's creation (as I am not a god and not even religious) I don't sweat about
trying to do those things.
The way I see it the claims you make about being able to destroy energy need to be demonstrated by you or valid evidence
presented or you should retract the claims.
So I need to ask again, can you show us something that your superior understanding will allow you to do that our inferior understanding will not allow us to do ? Or will we ever see any evidence of energy destruction ect.
(emphasis mine)
So... I think the answer to that is a resounding NO, since he's had many opportunities to answer and has dodged the question each time.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 27, 2014, 12:46:34 AM
So what if he wants funding goddamit, he BUYS electrical shit with it. NOT HOOKERS AND BOOZE
People like Dollard would rather play with a roll of copper plate and a transformer than screw a supermodel.
It's meth not hookers and copper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCS5mGDa87A (the short version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly21X6JQTkk (the hour long version)
overly expensive habit, not as addictive as some... and it's really not necessarily bad, although after days awake mental facilities are weakened and temper shortened, until then it's pretty clean (as in not disruptive to thought); doesn't prevent dreaming like THC...
I watched all 18 minutes of this clip. I could have listened to three classic 12-inch disco singles instead! lol
VIDEO 17 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism, REVERSING POLARITY in only 1 second
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_PSYIeLKs&list=UUVcxJ9k14bi__-uA1cGkEcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_PSYIeLKs&list=UUVcxJ9k14bi__-uA1cGkEcA)
The reversing of the polarity of the small magnet because of the very large neo magnet is demonstrated about 20 times. But the mechanism for the reversal is never explained! The related issues are never discussed! Classic free energy forum material. Like I said, 20 years of schooling and they put you on the day shift. We have a brainiac.
Theoria assumes it takes about one second to reverse the polarity. Theoria, did you know that you should be able to listen to the polarity reversal happening in real time? Do that and you will have a much better idea of how long it takes. I wonder how you would do that?
The other thing I noticed is that there is never any care taken when removing the small magnet from the surface of the neo magnet. It something one would think you should do if you knew what you were doing.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 12:50:57 AM
what will allow you to do that our inferior understanding will not allow us to do ? [/b]
Yes, retire at 32, and do what I want, when I want.
Experiment, and read, and learn, and research.Not have to answer to anyone, or a miserable job etc.
Calm down and go eat a cookie
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 01:39:35 AM
It's meth not hookers and copper.
I know ALL about that pathetic story, it was cooked up by a guy named MOHAMMED who trashed him and then illegally sold his book claiming the funds went to Dollard
He had to change his home because of lawsuits, tax evasion, and is currently being sued for other reasons
Yeah, a loser named MOHAMMED with 4 lawsuits, thats your proof. ROFL !!!I wonder, did you think you "had me" with that 'revelation' (that wasnt) ROFL ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 02:02:34 AM
The reversing of the polarity of the small magnet because of the very large neo magnet is demonstrated about 20 times. But the mechanism for the reversal is never explained! The related issues are never discussed! Classic free energy forum material. Like I said, 20 years of schooling and they put you on the day shift.
What day shift son? I retired 9 years ago. Im almost 42 now......... ;D ;D
I have about 30+ more videos to make and maybe 2 more editions to make. CANT explain, and HAVEN'T YET explained are 2 diff. things. However polarity reversal in a simplex FERRITE magnet (1" sphere in that video) is rather simplex.
Ive made 19 videos in just under 2 weeks, and have, in the past 3 months, built a laser(s) device for showing magnetic centrifugal and centripetal patterns that I will be awarded a patent for, and invented 3 new liquid susspensions that have impressed the hell out of those who have seen it in person.
But, you keep flapping your lips as you choose, Im sure thats more productive than DOING and BUILDING etc.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 02:02:34 AM
Theoria assumes it takes about one second to reverse the polarity. Theoria, did you know that you should be able to listen to the polarity reversal happening in real time? Do that and you will have a much better idea of how long it takes. I wonder how you would do that?
Field phones and and electromagnet.........I know how, thanks for the attempt to "stump me". Nice one
For the purposes of the video, I dont give a damn if it takes .005 seconds or 1 second. Commander Data
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 02:02:34 AM
The other thing I noticed is that there is never any care taken when removing the small magnet from the surface of the neo magnet. It something one would think you should do if you knew what you were doing.
I have 2 of those $800 6" Neos, I dont give a shit about cracking the plating on it. Ill buy another, who cares.
been busy experimenting, what about you? Gum flapping?
Why don't you go read, or do something productive for other people?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 27, 2014, 12:46:34 AM
So what if he wants funding goddamit, he BUYS electrical shit with it. NOT HOOKERS AND BOOZE
People like Dollard would rather play with a roll of copper plate and a transformer than screw a supermodel.
THOSE are the sort of people you want to HEAR from.
You show similar sick mindedness as he does. What need was there to bring hookers and alcohol into it ?
I've been celibate by choice since 2006, and I don't booze up either, I might have three alcoholic drinks a year averaged over
the past 8 years if that. The only time I have more than 1 or 2 drinks is when I distill some spirits to try it out for taste.
I never mentioned Eric's funding, only the funding of the Physicists at places like CERN ect. was the comment about.
Eric heaped excessive and sick abuse on me for no good reason, and I'm saying he made accusations of beastiality and all kinds of sick stuff. A twisted and sick person he must have been, he may have changed but I don't care.
So if I need to be a sick mined individual who resorts to thoughts of other peoples sexual activities to understand what you claim
then I don't want it. :)
Are you trying to suggest that I Booze up and use Hookers ? What is that about ? Wow.
So any chance you can show us how to destroy energy ? I can think of some uses for that.
..
You are watching it happen.
Lol-you guys crack me up-what a joyfull read.
Anyway,here is another test using non conductive ferrite magnets,and S/S rod.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zumdJl66nrE&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
The next video is a real doozy-you'll need ya thinking caps on for that one.
Quote from: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 02:52:34 AM
You show similar sick mindedness as he does. What need was there to bring hookers and alcohol into it ?
I have, unlike you apparently, a sense of humor.
Quote from: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 02:52:34 AM
I've been celibate by choice since 2006, and I don't booze up either, I might have three alcoholic drinks a year averaged over
the past 8 years if that. The only time I have more than 1 or 2 drinks is when I distill some spirits to try it out for taste.
Thats good, ......There are a few MILLION monks in the world that do the SAME, doesnt make them any wiser, DOES IT?
There are no evil actions, only an evil mind. The body is a TOOL of the mind. Actions are the puppet, the mind is always to blame.
Two actions maybe equal in quantity but 180 degrees in QUALITY / INTENT.
Quote from: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 02:52:34 AM
Eric heaped excessive and sick abuse on me for no good reason, and I'm saying he made accusations of beastiality and all kinds of sick stuff. A twisted and sick person he must have been, he may have changed but I don't care.
Did he force you to hang around him? (doubt it) He likes his equipment.......He experiments and he WRITES......other than that, who gives a flying F
Ive read his works, and seen all his videos. I wouldnt CARE if he liked to screw goats and eat little children in his free time.
I dont judge "oddball" brilliant minds. ;D
Ive been in the homes of some folks that hold 20+ patents and their minds work 10000000 miles a second. You would think they were NUTS
Brilliance has its price.
Quote from: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 02:52:34 AM
Are you trying to suggest that I Booze up and use Hookers ? What is that about ? Wow.
I suggested NO SUCH THING, dont you see a joke when you read it???? ;D ;D
I said HE ISNT DOING THAT, I had no reference to YOU in that statement.
Quote from: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 02:52:34 AM
So any chance you can show us how to destroy energy ? I can think of some uses for that.
Sure, youre doing it now by gum slapping rather than reading and experimenting. Most people are EXPERTS and destroying energy.
There are many things people dont know or understand-like light itself isnt visible,only what it reflects off becomes visible. Eric dollard-pfffft,i dont have any time for the arrogant fool. And now he has shacked up with Aaron the rookie,well thats just another cross against his name-$$$. So much money donated,and not a darn machine to show for it !! Tesla wanabe!!
Quote from: tinman on July 27, 2014, 03:43:00 AM
The next video is a real doozy-you'll need ya thinking caps on for that one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zumdJl66nrE&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
that one<
I See it, I Saw it, I Sunt it!!! ;) (old sailors joke)
Great stuff!!!!!
Award for "OFFICIALLY AWESOME" stuff! ;D ;D
Quote from: tinman on July 27, 2014, 04:03:03 AM
There are many things people dont know or understand-like light itself isnt visible,only what it reflects off becomes visible. Eric dollard-pfffft,i dont have any time for the arrogant fool. And now he has shacked up with Aaron the rookie,well thats just another cross against his name-$$$. So much money donated,and not a darn machine to show for it !! Tesla wanabe!!
Ehh, he produces GOOD books, and videos. I dont care who he is shacked up with. He never comes off as "wanting to BE tesla"
If he wants to be alone, and experiment and write and think ,......there are A LOT WORSE THING someone can be accused of doing.
I know his current book he is working on is HUGE, and will be very interesting.
He exposes a lot about dielectricity, .... Ive got nothing fault him for. People hate my guts, I dont give a damn. I do what I can to help people, I experiment and read and learn.
Theres a lot worse things people can be accused of. ;)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 27, 2014, 04:08:49 AM
Ehh, he produces GOOD books, and videos. I dont care who he is shacked up with. He never comes off as "wanting to BE tesla"
If he wants to be alone, and experiment and write and think ,......there are A LOT WORSE THING someone can be accused of doing.
I know his current book he is working on is HUGE, and will be very interesting.
He exposes a lot about dielectricity, .... Ive got nothing fault him for. People hate my guts, I dont give a damn. I do what I can to help people, I experiment and read and learn.
Theres a lot worse things people can be accused of. ;)
Well we cant agree on everything TA lol. The good thing is,we can put aside our differences,and carry on with the task at hand.
Quote from: tinman on July 27, 2014, 04:11:31 AM
Well we cant agree on everything TA lol. The good thing is,we can put aside our differences,and carry on with the task at hand.
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we all have our funky quirks, due to life, BS, tragedy etc etc etc.
Its not like anyone here, wierdo or not (including myself) is leading a rancid life.
Experiment, read, learn, study, research.
people like that cant be THAT BAD ;D, regardless of their quirks and weirdness.
Someone close to you needs to ship you some NEW NEOS..........
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 27, 2014, 02:27:55 AM
I know ALL about that pathetic story, it was cooked up by a guy named MOHAMMED who trashed him and then illegally sold his book claiming the funds went to Dollard
He had to change his home because of lawsuits, tax evasion, and is currently being sued for other reasons
Yeah, a loser named Ray Savant[/font][/size] with 4 lawsuits, thats your proof. ROFL !!!
I wonder, did you think you "had me" with that 'revelation' (that wasnt) ROFL ;D ;D
I wasn't trying to 'have you'.. might have been information you missed. Awful lot of work to redub videos to make eric appear to say the things eric appears to be saying; was also work to cut them from original releases. But none of this is in-topic. worked with a guy for 3 years and didn't know he did meth until later... so having someone say that doesn't mean that he doesn't; just means that he wasn't with eric 24x7. It's great when added to coffee since it's mostly tasteless. I'm not eric bashing... just sharing info
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 04:41:00 AM
I wasn't trying to 'have you'.. might have been information you missed. Awful lot of work to redub videos to make eric appear to say the things eric appears to be saying; was also work to cut them from original releases. But none of this is in-topic. worked with a guy for 3 years and didn't know he did meth until later... so having someone say that doesn't mean that he doesn't; just means that he wasn't with eric 24x7. It's great when added to coffee since it's mostly tasteless. I'm not eric bashing... just sharing info
Peoples personal quirks etc. dont bother me. He produces and he cares about the work. Hes always brainstorming.
He was homeless for years and doesnt really like people. I dont blame him. Yeah hes a bit tough. He just wants to do his "thing" and everyone else can go F themselves, seemingly, that is, to him.
I get that position.
His "problem" is he lives in california, ....that whole state can go F ITSELF,.....I used to live there.
Its full of commies, puss-lib D-bags, high taxes, and more laws than all other 49 states combined. He should leave that shithole. ;D
In this test,i have used a ring magnet from a speaker. Here we can see opposite spins,even though we dont change the voltage polarity,or the magnetic fields.
I have also found that it is the magnetic field that turns my camera off-if i get to close to the magnet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Quote from: tinman on July 27, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
In this test,i have used a ring magnet from a speaker. Here we can see opposite spins,even though we dont change the voltage polarity,or the magnetic fields.
I have also found that it is the magnetic field that turns my camera off-if i get to close to the magnet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
REALLY awesome vid!!!
Thou art
not the person pictured below,....for thou doth indeed knoweth! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: tinman on July 27, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
In this test,i have used a ring magnet from a speaker. Here we can see opposite spins,even though we dont change the voltage polarity,or the magnetic fields.
I have also found that it is the magnetic field that turns my camera off-if i get to close to the magnet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Tinman, I have a trivial question: is the current flow in the two copper rings running in the same direction (CW or CCW) ?
Also, do you have a change to excite the copper rings with pulsed current ?
Quote from: nathan97 on July 27, 2014, 07:43:17 AM
Tinman, I have a trivial question: is the current flow in the two copper rings running in the same direction (CW or CCW) ?
Also, do you have a change to excite the copper rings with pulsed current ?
Both copper rings are a complete joined loop,and both copper rings are the negative potential-as stated in the video.
Quote: Also, do you have a change to excite the copper rings with pulsed current ?
Not sure what you mean there.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 04:41:00 AM
As a crude analogy, a magnet is really just like the "magic faucet" , except real (NO, not implying its magic at all).
People look at this, often seen at Ripleys believe it or not, and wonder how the hell it works.
In a LOT of ways, just like a magnet.In the "magic faucet" , water (magnetism) pours out, and a pump sends the water back up in clear tube to the top again where it pours out......
In a magnet, the "pump" driving the magnetism (water) which flows is the dielectric inertial plane in the center (actually its everywhere, but forced to the midpoint by incommensurate magneto-dielectric geometry of opposite fields in a binding system, the "magnet").
While, in the case of the faucet, gravity causes discharge.........The perpetual ACTUAL movement of the water (magnetism / field of dielectricity) is
gyromagnetic precession, the radiation and termination of dielectricity into "its field" (magnetism), ...the (Larmor frequency) at which in the binding system, magnetism gimbals (at the nucleus) in precession in perfect dielectric (in discharge = magnetism) geometry (in a perfect magnet of course).
The RETURN centripetal convergence is just stereotypical field reciprocation since NO FIELDS CAN, NOR EVER DO 'TERMINATE IN SPACE' (this is a cornerstone of Maxwell, Steinmetz, Tesla etc)
No field can "terminate into space", they can into themselves and other fields, but space itself has no capacitance other than the inductive ability granted it by the field(s) to which it is a byproduct thereof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larmor_precession
So, while DIFFERENT, this cute little magic amusement, is rather literally how a magnet works, (at least in rather very close physical analogy). ;D
Quote from: tinman on July 27, 2014, 07:48:00 AM
Both copper rings are a complete joined loop,and both copper rings are the negative potential-as stated in the video.
Quote: Also, do you have a change to excite the copper rings with pulsed current ?
Not sure what you mean there.
Lol, a typo: I meant "do you have a chance to apply pulsed signals to the rings" it would be intersting to see the effect of dielectric inertial plane stress and relaxation from pulsed input.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 27, 2014, 04:46:33 AM
He should leave that shithole. ;D
Eh yes and no.
http://www.overunity.com/13925/toroidal-coils/ Here's something I was playing with a while ago. Got this kacher style oscillator to work with 2 24 turn coils... should go back to just one I suppose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kchVZZOvrcs some musings about charged particles and magnetic fields; inspired by toroflux. Would some oppositely wound keyring models...
Quote from: tinman on July 27, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
In this test,i have used a ring magnet from a speaker. Here we can see opposite spins,even though we dont change the voltage polarity,or the magnetic fields.
I have also found that it is the magnetic field that turns my camera off-if i get to close to the magnet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)
On the side facing you, the rotation is the same direction.
On opposing sides the rotation is the opposite direction.
If you marked the inside on the side that faces you, the tilt would be in the same direction and the outside side facing you.
Theoria:
QuoteWhat day shift son?
I guess that you are too young to get the reference, daddy. But the real point is that your "20 years of studying magnetism" seemingly is bearing very little fruit. Rather, it's more like you have mastered the art of creating gobbledygook by stringing together strange technical-sounding words and not much more than that.
QuoteI have about 30+ more videos to make and maybe 2 more editions to make. CANT explain, and HAVEN'T YET explained are 2 diff. things. However polarity reversal in a simplex FERRITE magnet (1" sphere in that video) is rather simplex.
No way. You filled up those 18 minutes by doing the same thing over and over and over. You had ample time to explain to your viewers what was going on. My presumption is that you didn't explain what was going on because you can't. You are a kid playing with magnets in a sandbox, no more than that.
Me: <<< Theoria assumes it takes about one second to reverse the polarity. Theoria, did you know that you should be able to listen to the polarity reversal happening in real time? Do that and you will have a much better idea of how long it takes.
I wonder how you would do that? >>>
Your response: <<< Field phones and and electromagnet.........I know how, thanks for the attempt to "stump me". Nice one >>>
Yes I was trying to stump you. Although it's very hard these days because of Google. You stated "field phones and electromagnet." What does that mean? You seem to be saying, "I can go to Radio Shack and buy stuff." I am not interested in that kind of answer. I am asking you to explain the underlying process for listening to the magnetic domains flipping and then explain what the basic building blocks are that would allow you to do it. I want a real answer from you.
Likewise, I asked you why the circular dark region exists on the monitor when you bring the magnet up close and you have failed to answer the question. You throw a small word salad at that question and call it "the answer." I am asking you for the real answer, the real explanation for why the dark region appears on the monitor. That's one that's probably not so easy to Google and that means you have to show us your own brains in action. No copy-pasting of some BS word salad - I want to hear the
real explanation for why this happens. I strongly suspect that you are unable to offer up an explanation, which would just confirm what I have been saying about you.
MIleHigh
Time for the "big reveal" about Ken:
Me: <<< The other thing I noticed is that there is never any care taken when removing the small magnet from the surface of the neo magnet. It something one would think you should do if you knew what you were doing.>>>
Ken: <<< I have 2 of those $800 6" Neos, I dont give a shit about cracking the plating on it. Ill buy another, who cares.
been busy experimenting, what about you? Gum flapping? >>>
Ha ha ha.... that says it all. Poor Kenny thinks I am talking about cracking the plating on the neo magnet. That just proves that after 20 years of self-schooling about magnetism, he still is more clueless than knowledgeable. The glass is much less than half full.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:14:54 AM
Time for the "big reveal" about Ken:
Me: <<< The other thing I noticed is that there is never any care taken when removing the small magnet from the surface of the neo magnet. It something one would think you should do if you knew what you were doing.>>>
Ken: <<< I have 2 of those $800 6" Neos, I dont give a shit about cracking the plating on it. Ill buy another, who cares.
been busy experimenting, what about you? Gum flapping? >>>
Ha ha ha.... that says it all. Poor Kenny thinks I am talking about cracking the plating on the neo magnet. That just proves that after 20 years of self-schooling about magnetism, he still is more clueless than knowledgeable. The glass is much less than half full.
MileHigh
It's hilarious isn't it? Chess champion, twenty years of studying magnets, Russel and Dollard.... everything we know about magnetism and electricity in general is wrong!
Yet people using "our" model and the grand set of constructs known as Quantum Electrodynamics can design things like high density disk drives for personal computers, they can navigate semiautonomous robot spacecraft and soft-land them on Titan, they can implant electronic devices in the cochleas of deaf persons and restore their hearing. They can even explain color CRTs and what happens when you magnetize them with an external magnet. What can people design and perform using the incoherent gobbledegook found in Apoptosis's insulting rants and silly claims? Rodin coils that produce pretty patterns on magnet viewing film (which he doesn't even understand)? Yeah, that will get you to Europa, cure your warts and keep you warm in winter. Right.
re: Theoria Apophasis part 20
SirZerp Channel list kinda... He did lots of playing with a ferrocell too; but had 2 color LEDs... alternating color LEDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aitgJpy3FWo&list=UUSR-vy_Ue0raYCGMwtw4uqg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aitgJpy3FWo&list=UUSR-vy_Ue0raYCGMwtw4uqg)
Really This seems to be dependant on the direction of the lights... since they're arranges as point sources pointed inward, you get a constant reflection equidistant from each LED... and each being offset forms a separate arc. Would be interesting to see a row of Linear lights, and maybe 2 X/Y or 3 - a equidistant triangle instead of a circle.
Quote from: tinman on July 27, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
In this test,i have used a ring magnet from a speaker. Here we can see opposite spins,even though we dont change the voltage polarity,or the magnetic fields.
I have also found that it is the magnetic field that turns my camera off-if i get to close to the magnet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Tinman,
This video appears to be in agreement with the right hand rule.
Using the right hand rule, one would expect the rotation observed on the ID to be opposite to that observed on the OD.
The absolute directions observed for both ID and OD are a bit puzzling. Most likely this is because we are dealing with ion flow as opposed to electron flow.
However, it may be helpful/interesting if you could verify that any flow or motion of the liquid itself is in the same direction as the bubbles in the immediate vicinity of the magnet. Rather than pollute your tank with ink or dye, you might try making a wand using small diameter wooden or plastic dowel with a thread attached to the end. The thread will act as a small flag and by placing it in various locations, you can map out any flow/direction of the electrolyte.
PW
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 10:39:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kchVZZOvrcs some musings about charged particles and magnetic fields; inspired by toroflux. Would some oppositely wound keyring models...
Looks just like a toroflux!!!!
EVERYONE HAS TO BUY A TOROFLUX ;D ;)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GloFX-Toroflux-Interactive-Sculpture-Toy-Kids-Stuff-Rave-Light-Show-Unisex-/201134561996?pt=US_LED_Light_Key_Chains&hash=item2ed48ddacc
watch em work:::::
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfDi89Hj0QA
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:04:51 AM
seemingly is bearing very little fruit.
Ohh, you mean the mind blowing inventions I have in the background?? Or the book with 400,000 downloads in under 6 weeks.
Or, that, off the scene, some serious heavyweights are buzzing my phone like mad???
Yeah, nothing is going on. Pedal that stuff down the pike.
I see that you're most pissed (from earlier comments of yours) that Im
NOT SELLING ANYTHING, NOR seek your approval on ANYTHING LoLQuote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:04:51 AM
No way. You filled up those 18 minutes by doing the same thing over and over and over. You had ample time to explain to your viewers what was going on. My presumption is that you didn't explain what was going on because you can't. You are a kid playing with magnets in a sandbox, no more than that.
Kids dont write books, and invent amazing things that impress even crusty ole inventors. Pedal it down the road.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:04:51 AM
Yes I was trying to stump you. Although it's very hard these days because of Google. You stated "field phones and electromagnet." What does that mean? You seem to be saying, "I can go to Radio Shack and buy stuff." I am not interested in that kind of answer. I am asking you to explain the underlying process for listening to the magnetic domains flipping and then explain what the basic building blocks are that would allow you to do it. I want a real answer from you.
No, you wanna play games and engage in Sophistry, too bad for you, Im an expert in the
Greek method and their debate dialectic (διαλεκτική). (thats dialectic, NOT dielectric) ROFL
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:04:51 AM
Likewise, I asked you why the circular dark region exists on the monitor when you bring the magnet up close and you have failed to answer the question. You throw a small word salad at that question and call it "the answer." I am asking you for the real answer, the real explanation for why the dark region appears on the monitor. That's one that's probably not so easy to Google and that means you have to show us your own brains in action. No copy-pasting of some BS word salad - I want to hear the real explanation for why this happens. I strongly suspect that you are unable to offer up an explanation, which would just confirm what I have been saying about you.
Nope, I answered the question, you just did'nt "approve" of the answer, big difference son.
There isnt a sophistic tactic you HAVE, that I did'nt master 20 years ago debating Platonic metaphysics and Monistic ontology. ;D ;D
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 11:45:24 AM
re: Theoria Apophasis part 20
SirZerp Channel list kinda... He did lots of playing with a ferrocell too; but had 2 color LEDs... alternating color LEDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aitgJpy3FWo&list=UUSR-vy_Ue0raYCGMwtw4uqg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aitgJpy3FWo&list=UUSR-vy_Ue0raYCGMwtw4uqg)
Really This seems to be dependant on the direction of the lights... since they're arranges as point sources pointed inward, you get a constant reflection equidistant from each LED... and each being offset forms a separate arc. Would be interesting to see a row of Linear lights, and maybe 2 X/Y or 3 - a equidistant triangle instead of a circle.
Ohhhhh, I know all about him and his youtube vids and hes a great critter / person. ;D ;)
Yes, I have COLORED LEDS, currently Im using only WHITE LIGHT ringed LEDS.
I just got done building one and putting it together
There are other tricks too, mirrors, and using a black paper between, and other things I will make videos on.
At steep angles, you can see the centrifugal in 3D.......etc.
Quote from: picowatt on July 27, 2014, 12:31:40 PM
Tinman,
This video appears to be in agreement with the right hand rule.
Using the right hand rule, one would expect the rotation observed on the ID to be opposite to that observed on the OD.
The absolute directions observed for both ID and OD are a bit puzzling. Most likely this is because we are dealing with ion flow as opposed to electron flow.
However, it may be helpful/interesting if you could verify that any flow or motion of the liquid itself is in the same direction as the bubbles in the immediate vicinity of the magnet. Rather than pollute your tank with ink or dye, you might try making a wand using small diameter wooden or plastic dowel with a thread attached to the end. The thread will act as a small flag and by placing it in various locations, you can map out any flow/direction of the electrolyte.
PW
Hi PW.
Could you take the time,and draw a sketch showing how the right hand rule would be in my video setup,using the polarities i have used.Also,if an ion flow is the cause,then why the different direction,even though both magnetic and electrical polarities are the same in each test.
Brad
Ken:
QuoteNo, you wanna play games and engage in Sophistry
No I don't. My nature is to ask a straight question and expect a straight answer.
How can you "listen" to the small magnet changing polarity?
Why is there a black region on the monitor?
If you can't answer those straightforward questions with straightforward answers that make sense that people can understand then the logical conclusion is that you are being evasive because you don't know the answers. If you don't know the answers then your claims about studying magnetism are a sham because you should know the answers. If you can't answer some basic straightforward questions why should we give credence to your other claims?
It's a refreshing difference from your thread on the Energetic Forum, isn't it? People here are challenging you to establish credibility and back up your claims as opposed to just blindly agreeing with you and congratulating you like sheep.
MileHigh
Quote from: tinman on July 27, 2014, 05:02:40 PM
Hi PW.
Could you take the time,and draw a sketch showing how the right hand rule would be in my video setup,using the polarities i have used.Also,if an ion flow is the cause,then why the different direction,even though both magnetic and electrical polarities are the same in each test.
Brad
Tinman,
Take a look at this wiki, about half way down the page to "Direction of Force"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field
If you apply the rule as given, you will indeed see that it predicts opposite spins on the OD versus ID. However, it appears to me that both directions are reversed from what the rule would indicate.
You had the south pole up in those tests, correct? (and your compass still point north correctly? We have seen compasses ruined from being around magnets. Just asking...)
If you would, please confirm that the fluid motion is in the same direction as the bubbles using the "flag" idea mentioned.
PW
ADDED: You need not bother to video the flag test. If you say the fluid is indeed moving in concert with the bubbles, that's good enough for me. But, make sure to check the flow right at the edge of the magnet where H2 is being generated.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 05:12:18 PM
It's a refreshing difference from your thread on the Energetic Forum, isn't it? People here are challenging you to establish credibility
What on earth makes you THINK I want any CRED from you ( or anyone for that matter)? How hubristic!!!
Ive got results, new inventions, and far more. You have your flapping gums.
Only fools try to convince others of things they know is correct and prove, only supreme fools try to convince sophistic skeptics of anything.
Your skepticism alone, and continued rebuke is EXACTLY what I want.
I would only question myself as being wholly WRONG, if I actually said something people like you AGREED with. ;D ;D
I havent seen this much
sophistry, logomachy, and pseudo-intellectual loaded questions since I was debating the translation of the Sutta Nipata with Thera B. Bodhi
;D ;D
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."
― Richard Buckminster FullerQuantum Qwackery, your Particle-Mysticism is a lie perpetuated by academia. Its nothing but Greek Atomism.
I will answer ALL YOUR QUESTIONS,.......
..soon as you define ONE WORD: FIELD LoL ;D ;D
Go invent something and have a cookie. Better yet, go write a book 'proving' mine is wrong. ROFL
There is a vortex ! But first the so called qualified statement !All science is progressive ! Second I have a zero point magnetic field vortex, AND ITS NOT IN A BOOK OR UNIVERSITY ... Please don't question peoples descriptions and involve personal petty politics, if the picture does not fit your frame of reference try to look at how others see things you will be surprised what you will learn that is not in the book .... Also it is obvious that there is a level of intuition one is being drawn to a new perspective and that one will need to keep looking but he is close ...
If you all keep getting stuck with a limited old fashioned and out of date system of knowledge than let go and open to the new world of quantum reality and any half backed quantum mechanic will agree that anything is possible at any time ... Try and work out how miracles work as a physical system ! Also cause and reaction may not always lead to a logical answer ! I have seen objects materialise and dematerialise something to do with a ghost or I call it the ghost field and it always starts with a magnetic vortex ...
To pigeon hole the dielectric effect with a magnet and not include gravity is a big error ! Some systems will not work in zero gravity like a bucket of water with a hole in it, find the connection to gravity than you will think again ... I like the opening of this thread its got no personal gain to it and is openly honest with its view but needs my magnetic vortex to help it along ! Do you have one ????? NO !
My question to all is what is the connection between a magnet the dielectric effect and gravity, don't bother with Maxwell's equations he never new that a graviton was possible let alone a neutrino that can travel above light speed ! So lets just look closer at a magnetic vortex, that to me is an oscillating magnetic field without a spinning magnet, just the field will do for now so hold the magnet down .....
When AND IF you are ready I will give you a one directional magnetic flow of force without the magnetic spinning !!! CAN YOU DO THAT ???? ITS NOT IN A BOOK, ITS IN MY LAB ..... Also I will teach you how to set up a magnetic vortex using the earths magnetic field but if you don't have any ferrite magnets forget it, neo is just to dam tight so you need to loosen up the field hahahah a bit like your personal petty politics ..
Lets start again and help up date the book with the real macoy !!!!!!!!!!!!! But no doubt you are all so entrenched in your books and out of date academic studies that you are to dam frightened to go that one steep further and finally become free from the rot ... MAGNETIC VORTEX IS GO !!! COUNTDOWN TO LAUNCH HAS STARTED OOOOPS THAT MEANS A FLYING MAGNET, OH SORRY THATS A BIT TO MUCH FOR YOU AT THIS POINT HAHAHAHAH .......
Yours truly
king monkey and the 93rd element ! lol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 27, 2014, 05:58:40 PM
There is a vortex !
You are the same teenager that sent me a private message stating you
"were MUCH MORE intelligent than Tesla, Steinmetz, Maxwell AND Heaviside"
Yeah, you go with that.
Ken:
Okay, so you are admitting that you can't answer those two basic questions to demonstrate to the readers that you possess a basic competency in magnetism. So this whole "Realm of Theoria and his Big Fish Story" is all just a classic "big splash" onto the "scene" with no substance at all.
There used to be a thread on the Energetic Forum called "Free Energy at Last - Step by Step, Must See." It was a project by "Imhotep" and all it was was rewiring a computer fan motor into a pulse motor. Nothing to do with free energy, NADA. When I asked him some questions all that I got was some blank stares. Imhotep was clueless, all that he did was show how to rewire a computer fan motor - no free energy in sight. Then he faded away because he had nothing more to offer. But he got a big following, that's for sure. A big following left holding an empty bag. I predict something similar will happen with you.
Back to the old, "What is a field?" argument I see. That is pure sophistry on your part, and the pot calling the kettle black. You are trying to hide and change the subject, but you can't hide. People are reading this thread and there is nowhere for you to go.
QUESTION: How can you "listen" to the magnet changing polarity?
ANSWER: You wrap a coil around the axis of the magnet. When individual magnetic domains flip you will get a small amount of EMF generated in the coil because of the net change in magnetic flux with respect to time. Each magnetic domain flipping will create a "tick" and when lots of domains flip at the same time you should get a sound similar to a Geiger counter. So you connect the output of the coil to an amplifier and connect the amplifier output to a speaker.
QUESTION: Why do you see a circular black void when the magnet is close to the CRT monitor?
ANSWER: For certain positions of the electron beam, it is cutting across strong lines of the magnetic field from the magnet. That causes the electron beam to take a spiral path. When the field is strong enough and the geometry between the toroidal magnetic field from the magnet and the electron beam is just right, the electron beam will spiral around and end up striking the phosphor several inches away from where it would normally strike the phosphor. The net result from this is that the magnet can create a void on the monitor because the electron beam that was supposed to strike the void was induced to spiral away and strike somewhere else because of the strong Lorentz forces at play.
So, you see that, Kenny? Two basic basic questions about magnetism that you were unable to answer. Don't go crying in the corner or try making your feeble "fields" play.
You do not understand the basic fundamentals of magnetism because you are unable to answer some simple questions about magnetism. Kenny the emperor-wannabe has no clothes.
MileHigh
MH, you are far too easy on Terrible Apoptosis. Anyone can spout gobbledegook and make it sound "consistent" with the rest of his gobbledegook. And it's clear to everyone that he isn't going to answer your simple questions... because he cannot.
But why not ask him something really _hard_, something that any first-year, indoctrinated, hidebound EE student can do in the lab in a few minutes: Design and build a simple oscillator, showing a calculation of operating frequency, then build it out and show by testing that it does oscillate at the design frequency. The EE student will of course use QED and ordinary mathematics and will arrive at a device that does "what it says on the tin" with minimal components and almost no flailing about calling it "experimentation". The ordinary formulae which depend fully on Maxwell being RIGHT will tell the student which components to select and how they will behave. Apoptosis, though, is constrained: He cannot use any of the information from the "theories" like QED with which he does not agree. Nor can he use the math derived from that. Maxwell is FOS, so he's out too. Tick tock, the lab period is almost over and our Tattooed Genius is still drawing spirals on paper. Where is his oscillator and the math to support its design?
Can you imagine, MH, trying to work with someone like Theoretical Apoptosis, in order to design and build something like the MHOP? He'd still be telling you that everything you know is wrong and that it can't work unless you can define "FIELD" on a big green patch of grass. I am laughing in my evening coffee now.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 06:27:32 PM
Ken:
Okay, so you are admitting that you can't answer those two basic questions to demonstrate to the readers that you possess a basic competency in magnetism. So this whole "Realm of Theoria and his Big Fish Story" is all just a classic "big splash" onto the "scene" with no substance at all.
There used to be a thread on the Energetic Forum called "Free Energy at Last - Step by Step, Must See." It was a project by "Imhotep" and all it was was rewiring a computer fan motor into a pulse motor. Nothing to do with free energy, NADA. When I asked him some questions all that I got was some blank stares. Imhotep was clueless, all that he did was show how to rewire a computer fan motor - no free energy in sight. Then he faded away because he had nothing more to offer. But he got a big following, that's for sure. A big following left holding an empty bag. I predict something similar will happen with you.
Back to the old, "What is a field?" argument I see. That is pure sophistry on your part, and the pot calling the kettle black. You are trying to hide and change the subject, but you can't hide. People are reading this thread and there is nowhere for you to go.
QUESTION: How can you "listen" to the magnet changing polarity?
ANSWER: You wrap a coil around the axis of the magnet. When individual magnetic domains flip you will get a small amount of EMF generated in the coil because of the net change in magnetic flux with respect to time. Each magnetic domain flipping will create a "tick" and when lots of domains flip at the same time you should get a sound similar to a Geiger counter. So you connect the output of the coil to an amplifier and connect the amplifier output to a speaker.
But even more important than the Barkhausen phenomenon itself, is that it is PREDICTED and its parameters can be CALCULATED according to conventional QED.
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QUESTION: Why do you see a circular black void when the magnet is close to the CRT monitor?
ANSWER: For certain positions of the electron beam, it is cutting across strong lines of the magnetic field from the magnet. That causes the electron beam to take a spiral path. When the field is strong enough and the geometry between the toroidal magnetic field from the magnet and the electron beam is just right, the electron beam will spiral around and end up striking the phosphor several inches away from where it would normally strike the phosphor. The net result from this is that the magnet can create a void on the monitor because the electron beam that was supposed to strike the void was induced to spiral away and strike somewhere else because of the strong Lorentz forces at play.
Again, conventional electronics engineering science can not only design the CRT in the first place but PREDICT exactly how it will behave under a wide range of conditions. It can even precisely _calculate_ just where those deflected beams will actually land, predict the Dark Zone to tell you precisely how big and what outline it will have, for different applications of the external field. Note this well: It matters NOT if you can come up with some definition of what a "field" actually IS (it is a map) as long as your understanding of its _characteristics_ is good enough to allow you to _engineer_ with it. Conventional QED does impart that ability. The nonsense Apoptosis spouts does not.
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So, you see that, Kenny? Two basic basic questions about magnetism that you were unable to answer. Don't go crying in the corner or try making your feeble "fields" play.
You do not understand the basic fundamentals of magnetism because you are unable to answer some simple questions about magnetism. Kenny the emperor-wannabe has no clothes.
MileHigh
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 06:58:33 PM
is that it is PREDICTED and its parameters can be CALCULATED according to conventional QED.
QED (QM and GR......however both are mutually self-denying!) ;D has NOTHING to do with the nature of reality, such as its "virtual photon" BS among other things...(I mean unicorns and pixie dust)
GR and QM produce nothing, ......((but academic morons and books about unicorn particles)) :o ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 06:58:33 PM
. The nonsense Apoptosis spouts does not.
Sorry, but I get results,.......you? Nothing. ;D ;D
I stand behind Heaviside and Maxwell, and Tesla, and Steinmetz,........ Suggest you read THEM, and not the FECAL MATTER OF GR and QM (QED)
quod erat demonstrandum my arse ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 06:27:32 PM
Ken:
MileHigh
I loved that long rant , it was
A: a strawman fallacy from hell itself
B: a pathetic droll of logomachy
Whats a FIELD again? I asked you that 15 pages ago. What is it?
See, you cannot say what a field is, proving you know nothing.
That fallacy works both ways SON ;D ;D ;D
never debate a hardcore Platonist son ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 06:50:55 PM
the lab period is almost over and our Tattooed Genius is still drawing spirals on paper
HINT:....... this isnt a drawing, OR paper ;D ;D
Stop the academic pea brains spilling out ! Its a vacuum but not as Maxwell wanted it to be ! FUNDIMENTAL REALITY DETERMINS NO GRAVITY NO SPIN ! Maxwell never included the graviton and one must add that. One effect can have a multiple of cause and reaction in such a quantum state meaning there could exist a vortex but not one that can be measured directly by an O S ! Also an O S can not determine the wave function of bosons that's why they built CERN ... HAHAHA I WILL CONFIRM THAT A VORTEX COULD PLAY A ROLE BUT YOU CAN MESSURE IT HAHAHAHAHAHAH ..... Also the values of kinetic measurements and a vacuum offer the same output of force . This is a matter of particle physics not electrical engineering !!!! Don't spout to much about the so called electron in this case and especially one stuck in a spiralling beam as the entropy of the system is isolated to the O D of the magnetic ... SO BIG BRAINS BOSONS COULD VORTEX IN THE SYSTEM . Electrons must and will return to there source concluded by the frank herz experiment's for quantised states of the electron and by the way there a pentatonic energy set of harmonics, SO PLEASE NO MORE MAXWELL HES HALF RIGHT AS ARE THE REST OF YOU ..... THE MISSING PART OF THE PHYSICS IS IN GRAVITY ENTROPY AND THE BOSONS .... two are in a vortex gravity and the bosons !!!
The vacuum is not in question and I firmly support a vortex component as the missing equation that must now be excepted .... Please stick to particle physics or go and spin the O S .... Is there a free energy missing link yes but that's dark matter and who knows what that is doing ??????
CHECK MATE !!!!!!
93RD ELEMENT ................................................................LOL XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Fine...it looks like I will have to define a field for those trolls.
A field is a grassy lea, where these trolls ingest copious quantities of 'pye' shaped bullsh!t...and then spread it generously across this forum.
Regards...
Read DEEPER into the full detail that no electrical engineer can work out ! THROW THAT DAM O S in the bin it looks pretty but its flawed with blind spots it cant see bosons and it cant see the 2.2 trillion X Y particles that electrons are made off the same with MAXWELL !!! COME INTO THE YEAR 2014 !!! hahah Your talking to me now I am a master in particle physics and quantum mechanics don't rock my boat with half measure or idiotic academic acclaim . All those stupid books written by wana be scientist electrical engineers hahahahahahahahah how wrong you are !!!
KEEP PLAYING WITH RESONENCE GENERATORS THAN ADD A MODULATOR TO PLAY WITH SOONER OR LATTER YOU WILL ALINE A COHERENT FIELD WITH YOUR NEURONS AND SHORT OUT YOUR DUMB BRAIN HAHAHAHAH YOU STUPID IDIOTS ...... You attack someone that had the courage to question the out of date physics that you guys keep throwing up and than all the insults how dear you come on take me on .... VORTEX RULES APLY !!!! let me also inform you an electron is a vortex also at - 273k and I do mean - 273k not very close to -273k a magnetic field is a vortex made from a super state string of flux donated by its atomic mass .... Also the space between electrons will have periods of absolute -273k as there will be no other particle there including radiation or bosons or any known particle in this universe not even a neutrino ...
You state a path of electrons spiralling into the centre sorry the entropy is confined to the O D of the magnet in the first second of charge !! What that means is than there is no flow of electrons spiralling into the centre if they were they would collide with abundant free electrons and entropy would be coherent over the surface of the mass .. ITS NOT !!! SO NO SPIRIALING PATH OF ELECTRONS !!! IMPOSSIBLE !!!
THE DIALECTRIC INERTISHA THAT IS SAID TO ACOUR HAS SOME REALITY TO IT AT 10% OF THE TOTTAL EQUATION !! Than the vacuum at 80% of the equation that still leaves 10% that can not be measured by a direct measurements and will need boson forecasting but that will also include the speed of the earths excel oration and its relative resistance over space time curvature ! Remember all particles have spin and planets that creates sub atomic particle resistance in the gravitational field of the earth ... The last 10% of the total number for the exchange of energies will require a lot of impossible measurements and I do mean IMPOSSIBLE . HOW MANY NEUTRINOS WILL HIT THE MASS AT WHAT RATE AND SPEED PLEASE INCLUDE INTERSTELA RADIATION AND ALPHA PARTICLE INTERACTIONS ..... Dark matter will also add energy where there is a magnetic field and this is why there is a vacuum that makes it all happen . But energy conservation must win the day on a free spinning mass and will balance out the end results by any means possible vacuum vortec dialectric effects entropy gravity particle coherence ect ect ect .... Now let me make it very confusing for you !!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha lol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
me
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 27, 2014, 08:00:08 PM
Please stick to particle physics
93RD ELEMENT
All physics(AL) reduces to fields. ......... All your elements, from hydrogen to Plutonium and beyond are only fields and fields and fields.
FIELDS have nothing at all to do with particles. Cannot happen. Particles however are products of fields,
......See, how it works, is the HORSE comes BEFORE the horseshit appears ;D ;D
particles and elements are a posterior attributes of FIELDS
Space, likewise, doesnt exist outside of all fields. Space is merely a posterior attribute of radiative (= polarized = spatial) FIELDSFallacy of attribute reification.
In case you didnt notice, everything is Fields upon Fields
fields inducing fields
fields mediating fields
fields mediating charge, discharge
fields mediating centrifugal , centripetal
fields mediating divergence and convergence
fields mediating generation and radiation
Go take 10 years and study the χῶρος (FIELDS)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 27, 2014, 04:37:16 PM
EVERYONE HAS TO BUY A TOROFLUX ;D ;)
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Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 27, 2014, 08:18:31 PM
A field is a grassy lea, where these trolls ingest copious quantities of 'pye' shaped bullsh!t...and then spread it generously across this forum.
I think they may be "smoking the grass" in that field you mention ;D
Quote from: tinman on July 27, 2014, 05:02:40 PM
Hi PW.
Could you take the time,and draw a sketch showing how the right hand rule would be in my video setup,using the polarities i have used.Also,if an ion flow is the cause,then why the different direction,even though both magnetic and electrical polarities are the same in each test.
Brad
Pink flux loops shown are aligned from south to north they deflect to the left if they are facing you and to the right if they are facing away from you given a south field up. ... resulting in clockwise spin from the outside, and a composite that is counter clockwise in the center.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 09:59:08 PM
Pink flux loops shown are aligned from south to north they deflect to the left if they are facing you and to the right if they are facing away from you given a south field up. ... resulting in clockwise spin from the outside, and a composite that is counter clockwise in the center.
Ring magnets are not like all-solid magnets, they have complex compounded interlacing fields,
all field mediation is along lowest pressure gradients/ boundaries, meaning that mutual reciprocation is not ONLY from "one side to the other" , but in the case of a ring magnet thru the center mutually, additionally.
If you try to push a cone magnet into a ring magnet you will 'feel' this effect.
Or use a field finder magnet you will 'see' this as well.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 27, 2014, 10:09:55 PM
Ring magnets are not like all-solid magnets, they have complex compounded interlacing fields, all field mediation is along lowest pressure gradients/ boundaries, meaning that mutual reciprocation is not ONLY from "one side to the other" , but in the case of a ring magnet thru the center mutually, additionally.
If you try to push a cone magnet into a ring magnet you will 'feel' this effect.
Or use a field finder magnet you will 'see' this as well.
Ya I have 6" ODx4"ID magnet i played with for a while. Before that I took a bunch of (forget the name) toys that are n/s magnetic sticks, and bundled them all N/S in a 5" cylinder with a 1/4" thickness... (my 'finder' was a small 1/8"OD x1/4" tall cylinder magnet, so its mass was easily overcome by the field) but anyway... it's really just as simple as the image I attached indicated. There isn't a difference in alignment between inside and outside, the difference is that the near side is either towards you or away from you... if you just consider the sides facing you, there's no inversion.
Quote from: tinman on July 27, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
In this test,i have used a ring magnet from a speaker. Here we can see opposite spins,even though we dont change the voltage polarity,or the magnetic fields.
I have also found that it is the magnetic field that turns my camera off-if i get to close to the magnet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)
TinMan,
The ring magnet has an inverted field in the doughnut hole (inner diameter), and this is explained by the right hand rule and the reason for the opposite spins. One pole is on the inner diameter, and the opposite pole is on the outer diameter of the ring magnet. In essence, the ring magnet is magnetized in a similar way as a radial magnet (through the circumference). Speaker ring magnets are known to be radially magnetized. Take an axially magnetized magnet and approach the inner diameter of the ring magnet. If there is repulsion over the inner diameter, then there will be an attraction force over the outer diameter with the same face of the magnet. So, each face of the ring magnet has two poles. The inner diameter of each face has opposite poles, and the outer diameter of each face has opposite poles.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 27, 2014, 10:15:50 PM
TinMan,
The ring magnet has an inverted field in the doughnut hole (inner diameter). One pole is on the inner diameter, and the opposite pole is on the outer diameter of the ring magnet. In essence, the ring magnet is magnetized in a similar way as a radial magnet (through the circumference). Speaker ring magnets are known to be radially magnetized. Take an axially magnetized magnet and approach the inner diameter of the ring magnet. If there is repulsion over the inner diameter, then there will be an attraction force over the outer diameter with the same face of the magnet. So, each face of the ring magnet has two poles. The inner diameter of each face has opposite poles, and the outer diameter of each face has opposite poles.
Gravock
It's not radially magnetsized. The inside field in the same as the outside field, and that opposite to the field on the faces of the magnet.
Radial is all north inside and south outside (or vice versa)... if you mean across the diameter that's also entirely wrong... Each face of a speaker magnet has a single field.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 10:19:48 PM
It's not radially magnetsized. The inside field in the same as the outside field, and that opposite to the field on the faces of the magnet.
Radial is all north inside and south outside (or vice versa)... if you mean across the diameter that's also entirely wrong... Each face of a speaker magnet has a single field.
The inside diameter does not have the same pole as the outside diameter of a ring magnet! This is explained by the right hand rule and is the reason for the opposite spins.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 27, 2014, 10:23:44 PM
The inside field is not the same as the outside field with a ring magnet!
Gravock
it makes the same inversion of another related magnet....
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
it makes the same inversion of another related magnet....
In the image below, the green is the south pole and the pink is the north pole. On the other face (side) of the magnet, then the green will be the north pole and the pink will be the south pole. The pink is the field of the doughnut hole. The inverted field of the doughnut hole (the inner diameter) can easily be verified with an axially magnetised magnet.
Gravock
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 10:15:38 PM
There isn't a difference in alignment between inside and outside, the difference is that the near side is either towards you or away from you... if you just consider the sides facing you, there's no inversion.
I never mentioned the alignment being different. Alignment is wholly diff. than field mediation via pressure gradients with compounded complexity due to a spatial void in the middle of the magnet.
Ring magnet operates like a contiguous circle of sphere magnets if they were shaped into one 'doughnut' toroidal form
There is curvilinear contiguous dielectric along the entire physical ring magnet, but the spatial boundary for dielectric displacement is ABSENT in the center hole.
Never said there was inversion in a ring magnet either.
Nope, its actually more complex than that drawing is.
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ring magnet BELOW:
Quote from: gravityblock on July 27, 2014, 10:33:29 PM
In the image below, the green is the south pole and the pink is the north pole. On the other face (side) of the magnet, then the green will be the north pole and the pink will be the south pole. The pink is the field of the doughnut hole. The inverted field of the doughnut hole (the inner diameter) can easily be verified with an axially magnetised magnet.
Gravock
Inverted field is in the center and the outside. The blue magnet is a solid magnet face.
If you don't have a simple ring magnet to play with I guess I can't show you.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 27, 2014, 10:45:40 PM
I never mentioned the alignment being different. Alignment is wholly diff. than field mediation via pressure gradients with compounded complexity due to a spatial void in the middle of the magnet.
Ring magnet operates like a contiguous circle of sphere magnets if they were shaped into one 'doughnut' toroidal form
There is curvilinear contiguous dielectric along the entire physical ring magnet, but the spatial boundary for dielectric displacement is ABSENT in the center hole.
Never said there was inversion in a ring magnet either.
Nope, its actually more complex than that drawing is.
The white line of the bloch wall is still shown on magnetic viewing film....
Quote from: gravityblock on July 27, 2014, 10:15:50 PM
ring magnet has an inverted field in the doughnut hole (inner diameter), and this is explained by the right hand rule and the reason for the opposite spins.
Actually it is explained by divinely simplex pressure mediation since there is no dielectric plane in the center, the "hole", which necessitates field reciprocation NOT ONLY from one "side" to the other, but from inner to inner
The field isnt inverted anywhere, its simplex pressure mediation, and there is no block in the middle for center reciprocation.
Congrats, you complicated what didnt require complication
Water is shooting out of a wall, it falls down and rolls over the edge (to the other side)
cut a HOLE in the wall, and it BOTH rolls over the edge (loose analogy) and THRU the hole to the other side.
Nothing is inverted, its only perceptually inverted :o
There is no Bloch wall in a magnet. That one is just a fallacy that seemingly will never die.
You disagree D3x? Please go ahead and discuss what a Bloch wall is in a standard bar magnet. You say the Bloch wall is at the half-way point of the magnet. Okay, please elaborate. What is the Bloch wall exactly in the bar magnet? Just saying that "it's there" will not cut it.
Please tell us exactly what the Bloch wall is.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 10:55:36 PM
There is no Bloch wall in a magnet.
Stuck your foot in your mouth with that one. ROFL
"Bloch wall" is just a BS name given to what was (until NOW) not understood. Its the dielectric inertial plane.
The "dielectric field (magnetism)" - Faraday / Maxwell
Too bad your comments are just that.
You dont have clue 1 what you are talking about.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 10:55:36 PM
There is no Bloch wall in a magnet. That one is just a fallacy that seemingly will never die.
You disagree D3x? Please go ahead and discuss what a Bloch wall is in a standard bar magnet. You say the Bloch wall is at the half-way point of the magnet. Okay, please elaborate. What is the Bloch wall exactly in the bar magnet? Just saying that "it's there" will not cut it.
Please tell us exactly what the Bloch wall is.
MileHigh
Ya probably a poor term to use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_wall_(magnetism)#Bloch_wall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_wall_(magnetism)#Bloch_wall) ... it's generally accepted(expressed?) it's the equilibrium line between north and south poles. On magnetic viewing film it appears as a light region; but really magnetic viewing film is colloidal nickel(light) and colloidal iron(dark). Where dark areas are is a field that is perpendicular to the film, where the light area is is a field that is horizontal to the film. The point is the same white line is inside the ring as outside the perimeter of the magnet. If the white line is called 'dielectric field' (and I chose bloch wall as a more conventional term for the same thing) then it also exists in the center.
Quote from: gravityblock on July 27, 2014, 10:23:44 PM
The inside diameter does not have the same pole as the outside diameter of a ring magnet!
Poppycock and twaddle. Ring magnet is the SAME polarization throughout the ENTIRE magnet. You are confusing
magnetic polarization with
apparent field polarity DUE TO A HOLE BEING IN THE MIDDLE
Thats the mind screw of SPACE. Thats the error of space that trips peoples minds.
ROFL!!!
Like most, you think there IS CW and CCW, spin anything, your wife, your cat, your dog, your pizza, its moving IN ONE DIRECTION, but apparently CW from one end, and CCW from the other end.
No ROFL Kenny. There is no "dielectric inertial plane" in a magnet.
You disagree Kenny? Please go ahead and discuss what a dielectric inertial plane is in a standard bar magnet. You say the dielectric inertial plane is at the half-way point of the magnet. Okay, please elaborate. What is the dielectric inertial plane exactly in the bar magnet? Just saying that "it's there" will not cut it.
Please tell us exactly what the dielectric inertial plane is, without pointing to your book.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:03:02 PM
No ROFL Kenny. There is no "dielectric inertial plane" in a magnet.
You disagree Kenny? Please go ahead and discuss what a dielectric inertial plane is in a standard bar magnet. You say the dielectric inertial plane is at the half-way point of the magnet. Okay, please elaborate. What is the dielectric inertial plane exactly in the bar magnet? Just saying that "it's there" will not cut it.
Please tell us exactly what the dielectric inertial plane is, without pointing to your book.
MileHigh
LOL nice find/replace :)
D3x:
Quoteit's generally accepted(expressed?) it's the equilibrium line between north and south poles.
What do you mean? What is an "equilibrium line?"
The question still stands.
MileHigh
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 10:50:20 PM
The white line of the bloch wall is still shown on magnetic viewing film....
The dielectric inertial plane is in the SAME place on the inside diameter as the outside diameter.
A rig magnet is no different than if you took a bar magnet and looped it into a circle
The term "Bloch wall"
A: doesnt mean a DAMN THING
B: doesnt DESCRIBE a damn thing
C: Absolutely doesnt EXPLAIN a damn thing. Keep using that nonsense phraseology however as you wish. ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:03:02 PM
No ROFL Kenny. There is no "dielectric inertial plane" in a magnet.
baseless claims dont work here.
However look up "electrical inertia" , or go read Maxwell, or Tesla, or Heaviside.
You understand LESS than nothing. ;)
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:03:02 PM
You say the dielectric inertial plane is at the half-way point of the magnet.
Didnt ever say that, I said due to F.I. (field incommensurability), its dominance is forced to the physical midpoint of any magnet
and shifts (actually it PRE SHIFTS as I have demonstrated) to the mind point of two magnets in voidance ("attraction" , which is a wrong word)
I explain it FINE, IN THE BOOK, go read it you lazy Bonobo monkey, or dont, I dont give a damn ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:07:16 PM
D3x:
What do you mean? What is an "equilibrium line?"
The question still stands.
MileHigh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium List of types of equilibrium, the condition of a system in which all competing influences are balanced, in a wide variety of contexts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line Line (geometry), a concept which includes, but is not limited to, an infinitely-extended one-dimensional figure with no curvature
Here is some food for thought for you guys.
You have your standard bar magnet. One of you says there is a Bloch wall. One of you says that there is a dielectric inertial plane.
Now, take that standard bar magnet and imagine a very thin slice of the magnet that divides the magnet into two halves. The center of the thin slice of the magnet is where the alleged Bloch wall is, or the alleged dielectric inertial plane is.
Then imagine two equally thin slices on either side of the center slice. One slice on the north side of the magnet, and the other slice on the south side of the magnet.
So, two slices are not in the Bloch/dielectric region and the other slice is in the Bloch/dielectric region.
What can you say about the three slices?
MileHigh
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 11:14:21 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium) List of types of equilibrium, the condition of a system in which all competing influences are balanced, in a wide variety of contexts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line) Line (geometry), a concept which includes, but is not limited to, an infinitely-extended one-dimensional figure with no curvature
You are copping out D3x and pointing to generic Wiki links. What is an alleged equilibrium line in a magnet? "Equilibrium" implies the measurement of two values are the same. What values?
I will repeat, please explain what a Bloch wall is in the context of a standard bar magnet.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:15:54 PM
Then imagine two equally thin slices on either side of the center slice. One slice on the north side of the magnet, and the other slice on the south side of the magnet.
So, two slices are not in the Bloch/dielectric region and the other slice is in the Bloch/dielectric region.
What can you say about the three slices?
MileHigh
FOOL, ;D ::) I mention this at LENGTH in the book,
you can take a magnet and slice it (if you could) 10000000000000000 times top to bottom, EVERY SLICE will have a "N and S pole" AND A dielectric inertial plane.
Go study the term INCOMMENSURABLE , ala the Platonists , Pythagoras.
Your thinking is very limited. ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:15:54 PM
So, two slices are not in the Bloch/dielectric region
MileHigh
The dielectric is EVERYWHERE, but magneto-dielectric geometry FORCES (ala fluid mechanics models) the dielectric to the center of ANY physical magnet
Dont you even GET IT AT ALL? You can think of a magnet as a Magneto-dielectric "laser", as an analogy, its
OPERATING COHERENTLY , same as laser light (in a manner)POINT NONSPECIFIC self-similarity in the ENTIRE MAGNET
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 11:14:21 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium List of types of equilibrium, the condition of a system in which all competing influences are balanced, in a wide variety of contexts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line Line (geometry), a concept which includes, but is not limited to, an infinitely-extended one-dimensional figure with no curvature
maybe make it SIMPLE for some folks (not referring to you....)
ANY RING MAGNET has the SAME centripetal pattern as any DISK magnet
RING MAGNET shown below..........left side illustrated as cylinder magnet
right side showing centripetal flow in the ring magnet
Pressure gradients, just like fluid dynamics are NOT THAT HARD ;D
path of least resistance.
Kenny:
"Electrical inertia" is often used to describe the property of inductance. It looks to me like you read a bunch of pre-1930 stuff and got all confused with the terms and adopted them anyways and added your own spin to them. You didn't understand that a lot of the old terms have equivalent terms using modern terminology.
The problem is that to argue anything new in electromagnetics (we are not really discussing QED) you have to demonstrate competency in the established theory. That's the way it works and anybody with common sense knows that you have to learn the basics to progress onto the more advanced stuff. You have been caught red-handed as being a poseur that doesn't understand the basics. So your claims are classic rank amateur claims from somebody that doesn't want to believe that they don't know what they are talking about.
Answer my slice question if you can.
MileHigh
QuoteFOOL, (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=48cd3b652a891d74b4b4ef746db528263b551e0c) (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=b520627f108a45c3271195256284bfbceaa8aa95) I mention this at LENGTH in the book, you can take a magnet and slice it (if you could) 10000000000000000 times top to bottom, EVERY SLICE will have a "N and S pole" AND A dielectric inertial plane.
NO FOOL, the magnet is
NOT SLICED UP. Can you put your brain in gear and try to answer the question as it is instead of trying to rewrite the question?
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:28:34 PM
Kenny:
"Electrical inertia" is often used to describe the property of inductance. It looks to me like you read a bunch of pre-1930 stuff and got all confused with the terms and adopted them anyways and added your own spin to them. You didn't understand that a lot of the old terms have equivalent terms using modern terminology.
MileHigh
Answer the question I asked you 20 pages ago.......... DEFINE : FIELD ;D ;D
"""" bunch of pre-1930 stuff"""OH SHIT!!!
I didnt know the NATURE of electricity, dielectricity and magnetism CHANGED since the 1930s!!!!!!! ROFL !!!! Mother nature never got that MEMO
You remind of that idiot Roman, I cant recall his name, ........he said in 600 C.E.
"everything known and invented has already been discovered" ;D
Kenny:
We all know that you can break a magnet in two and get two magnets. But certainly many people find that perplexing.
Answer my slice question please for a SOLID MAGNET. You seem to be implying that there is something special about the center slice? Well, is there or not?
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:32:12 PM
NO FOOL, the magnet is NOT SLICED UP. Can you put your brain in gear and try to answer the question as it is instead of trying to rewrite the question?
You keep thinking (its sophistry) that someone here (myself) is claiming that the dielectric inertial plane is ONLY at the "middle of a magnet"
No, fool, thats the ENTIRE physical "magnet" operating in magneto-dielectric coherent unison due to electriifcation from cap banks, to discharge coils to causing DIS-equalibrium in the magneto-dielctric inter-atomic of the MASS that is made into a magnet.
What you fools call a "DOMAIN" (lined up) in a magnet is only the SAME thing you see in AC lines. A specific magneto-dielectric geometry of field incommensurability.
You, son, are 100% pure , and purified CLUELESS.
Below , BOTH SIDES, AC current lines
Below that, same, except outlining the side view of a BAR MAGNET
Clue-less ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:38:19 PM
You seem to be implying that there is something special about the center slice?
You are either
A: very very dumb
B: being sophistic on purpose
what is FORCED TO THE CENTER................is not the same as what is "LITERALLY AT THE CENTER"
Why the hell do you think the dielectric inertial plane MOVES immediate even BEFORE two magnets are brought together????? ROFL !!!!
Dont you even KNOW that magnetism and dielectricity move OPPOSITE each other??????????????????
Now, how do you conjugate 2 FIELDS moving opposite each other in a BINDING SYSTEM??? ( a magnet for example)
Why the hell do you think the POWER LINES running down your street are PUSHED APART when theres JUICE in the lines?????????????
Kenny:
You can't even answer a straightforward question without playing the drama queen. What about the three slices? I am asking for a comprehensible answer.
QuoteNo, fool, thats the ENTIRE physical "magnet" operating in magneto-dielectric coherent unison due to electriifcation from cap banks, to discharge coils to causing DIS-equalibrium in the magneto-dielctric inter-atomic of the MASS that is made into a magnet.
Ahh... could I have that with Ranch dressing?
You seem to be implying that the entire magnet has a "dielectric inertial plane." So does that mean all of your diagrams are crap?
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:47:56 PM
Kenny:
You can't even answer a straightforward question without playing the drama queen. What about the three slices? I am asking for a comprehensible answer.
Ahh... could I have that with Ranch dressing?
You seem to be implying that the entire magnet has a "dielectric inertial plane." So does that mean all of your diagrams are crap?
Every place there is an atom, there is a disequilibrium between the dielectric, and the magnetic.
No, what this means, is you do NOT grasp an incommensurable system. Same as a holographic positive, where each tiny piece contains the "entire picture"
There is no "slice" of a magnet son, the entire physical magnet is COHERENT, and its field pressures are mediated into the SAME geometry at BOTH macro AND micro/atomic
Your INability to grasp jack-squat, is no comment on ME, son, rather yourself ;D ;DGO research this premise boy, -------------
"point NONSPECIFIC self-similarity"Go , run along and research it.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 27, 2014, 11:39:06 PM
No, fool, thats the ENTIRE physical "magnet" operating in magneto-dielectric coherent unison due to electriifcation from cap banks, to discharge coils to causing DIS-equalibrium in the magneto-dielctric inter-atomic of the MASS that is made into a magnet.
What you fools call a "DOMAIN" (lined up) in a magnet is only the SAME thing you see in AC lines. A specific magneto-dielectric geometry of field incommensurability.
TA,
What about magnets made without "electrification from cap banks"?
PW
Anyway, that was a real thrashing session there Kenny. I am assuming that many of your followers that agreed with everything you said on the Energetic Forum thread have been reading this thread and they are very confused now. Just like the QEG followers are like lost sheep right now, waiting for bench technician extraordinaire Jamie to pull a Quantum rabbit out of his hat but it's not going to happen.
Real life is tough sometimes. You actually have to be competent in something to propose something new. You are just flailing and every single question that I asked of you in order to see if you could demonstrate any competency was a big fail on your part. That's the way it is.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on
Today at 02:18:31 AM (http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg411738/#msg411738)
A field is a grassy lea, where these trolls ingest copious quantities of 'pye' shaped bullsh!t...and then spread it generously across this forum.
Quote from Theo A:
I think they may be "smoking the grass" in that field you mention (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
Possibly the grass beneath the cow patty...certainly not the 'grass' I sometimes smoke...else there minds wood be more open and developed.
This is why the US military forbids 'pot' smoking, but they will allow, even supply any type of mind numbing drug known to man.
Regards...
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:18:37 PM
You are copping out D3x and pointing to generic Wiki links. What is an alleged equilibrium line in a magnet? "Equilibrium" implies the measurement of two values are the same. What values?
I will repeat, please explain what a Bloch wall is in the context of a standard bar magnet.
MileHigh
I already said (after looking at the term) that it's a poor term.... it's generally applied as the region between the north and south where the forces are in balance. if you have 2 magnets... I further described it as it appears on magnetic viewing film as a horizontal field/perpendicular field As an equilibrium point another magnet can be balanced there so there is equal attraction from the north pole and from the south pole...
Another way to put a magnet at equilibrium is to put a cylinder in the center of a ring with the same poles up... sitting on a flat surface this will be a stable balance.
Increasing the strength of one side of the other of a magnet will move this equilibrium point (line made up of equal points)
---
Edit: Viewing film simile not nessecarily in proportion to model presented; artist inability to accurately match.
Quote from: picowatt on July 27, 2014, 11:55:32 PM
TA,
What about magnets made without "electrification from cap banks"?
PW
weak magnets created from magnetic induction from a strong magnet to a ferrite. Its still magneto-dielectric alignment.
Field pressure mediation is retained (to a degree, of course) in stroking an iron bar and creating a weak magnet, or compass needle. Magneto-dielectric
'elasticity' of the ferrous system retains a weak coherency.
which is
A: why its so weak
B: why you can reverse polarity on such ferrites so easily
C: why even hot temps ruin them (hot car temps)
What a mess. Further and further down the rabbit hole of the Tattoed Genius's delusional system. But there is still no answer to the REAL CHALLENGE that the Tattooed Genius keeps dodging: design an oscillator and predict its output frequency without resorting to any of the things that Apoptosis denies.
I can do it using standard EE math and concepts. So can MH, and so can any person who paid attention in school and didn't think he was better than his teachers. But clearly... Apoptosis cannot, without using those same concepts which he denies.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 11:56:49 PM
Anyway, that was a real thrashing session there You actually have to be competent in something to propose something new. You are just flailing and every single question that I asked of you in order to see if you could demonstrate any competency was a big fail on your part. That's the way it is.
The only person flailing is you , son. hows that definition of FIELD going?
Yes, hows that thrashing you got feel? Not too tough I assume.
If I wanted followers I would be nice and said BS fools like you AGREED with. I want / seek NO followers
Nice sophistry there son. Doesnt work here.
New, whats new? Most of this is the premise of Maxwell and Heaviside, suggest you read real science, boy.
What you call "NEW" was there all along, you upset YOU did'nt figure it out yourself boy?
You have nothing to offer but sophistry, logomachy, and lip flapping
QuoteThere is no "slice" of a magnet son
Each slice in a bar magnet is essentially identical to the adjacent slice. The center slice and the two slices on either side in a standard bar magnet are essentially identical. There is nothing special about the center of a bar magnet, nothing at all. There is no Bloch wall and there is no dielectric inertial plane. If there was a Bloch wall or a "dielectric inertial plane" there would have to be something unique and different about the center slice - but in fact the center slice is identical to the slices on either side.
I can also see that the concept of considering thin imaginary slices inside a bar magnet appears to be foreign to you. I guess that you are not familiar with this way of thinking. It's beyond your experience.
The term "dielectric inertial plane" doesn't even exist. It's just your own construct, one of the ingredients in your word salad. I suspect that you read something pre-1930 and did not understand what they were really meaning and you adopted the term as your own.
MileHigh
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 12:00:48 AM
What a mess. Further and further down the rabbit hole of the Tattoed Genius's delusional system. But there is still no answer to the REAL CHALLENGE that the Tattooed Genius keeps dodging: design an oscillator and predict its output frequency without resorting to any of the things that Apoptosis denies.
I can do it using standard EE math and concepts. So can MH, and so can any person who paid attention in school and didn't think he was better than his teachers. But clearly... Apoptosis cannot, without using those same concepts which he denies.
Go write a book proving me wrong. It'll never happen. You, like your MilesHigh counterpart are nothing but
keyboard jockey and internet filth. I was up until 8Am experimenting last night, had 2 scientists visit me today, one drove 200+ miles to see 2 new inventions.
Im "doing" the DO,
you......you've got NOTHING. ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 12:07:21 AM
The term "dielectric inertial plane" doesn't even exist. It's just your own construct, one of the ingredients in your word salad. I suspect that you read something pre-1930 and did not understand what they were really meaning and you adopted the term as your own.
MileHigh
I love the way you make claims with NO EVIDENCES or experiments at all. Proof you're a keyboard jockey and internet filth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Each slice in a bar magnet is essentially identical to the adjacent slice
I said that further up in the thread, moron................ cant you READ??GO research this premise boy, ------------- "point NONSPECIFIC self-similarity"
There is no "slice" of a magnet son, the entire physical magnet is COHERENT, and its field pressures are mediated into the SAME geometry at BOTH macro AND micro/atomic
what is FORCED TO THE CENTER................is not the same as what is "LITERALLY AT THE CENTER"Why the hell do you think the dielectric inertial plane MOVES immediate even BEFORE two magnets are brought together? ? Idiot
Dont you even KNOW that magnetism and dielectricity move OPPOSITE each other? ??
Now, how do you conjugate 2 FIELDS moving opposite each other in a BINDING SYSTEM??? ( a magnet for example)
You, son, live ENTIRELY in the "WORLD OF C" below:---------
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 12:00:30 AM
weak magnets created from magnetic induction from a strong magnet to a ferrite. Its still magneto-dielectric alignment.
Field pressure mediation is retained (to a degree, of course) in stroking an iron bar and creating a weak magnet, or compass needle. Magneto-dielectric 'elasticity' of the ferrous system retains a weak coherency.
which is
A: why its so weak
B: why you can reverse polarity on such ferrites so easily
C: why even hot temps ruin them (hot car temps)
TA,
What I was really asking was whether or not magnets made without "electrification of cap banks..." possess the same properties (centrifugal, centripetal, and dielectric plane) that you theorize exist in other magnets that are created through "electrification from cap banks..."?
A simple yes or no would be appreciated...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 28, 2014, 12:09:39 AM
possess the same properties
same quality, not the same quantity.
Using any FERROCELL shows this to be the case, however weak on the FERRITE
You want a FERROCELL video of this fact??????
Dielectric capacitance increase (in creating a magnet from cap banks) can be achieved (however much much weaker,very loosely, and not-permanently) by magnetic induction.
I can alter AB by
A, ........
or alter AB by B nobody wants a B-mod magnet.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 12:15:19 AM
same quality, not the same quantity.
Using any FERROCELL shows this to be the case, however weak on the FERRITE
You want a FERROCELL video of this fact??????
Dielectric capacitance increase (in creating a magnet from cap banks) can be achieved (however much much weaker,very loosely, and not-permanently) by magnetic induction.
I can alter AB by A, ........or alter AB by B
nobody wants a B-mod magnet.
Is that a "yes"?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 28, 2014, 12:24:56 AM
Is that a "yes"?
PW
how could you read it otherwise? obviously.
There is "more than one way to skin a cat" obviously.
alter maneto-dielectic coherency via CHARGE, or by magnetic induction (which is resultantly WEAK)
magnetic induction ADDS NOTHING, all you have done is rearranged the existing (and then only part of it) inter-atomic magneto-dielectric. And then only weakly and not permanently.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 11:58:14 PM
I already said (after looking at the term) that it's a poor term.... it's generally applied as the region between the north and south where the forces are in balance. if you have 2 magnets... I further described it as it appears on magnetic viewing film as a horizontal field/perpendicular field As an equilibrium point another magnet can be balanced there so there is equal attraction from the north pole and from the south pole...
Another way to put a magnet at equilibrium is to put a cylinder in the center of a ring with the same poles up... sitting on a flat surface this will be a stable balance.
Increasing the strength of one side of the other of a magnet will move this equilibrium point (line made up of equal points)
If you take some non magnetized iron and add it to the end of a magnet, the middle isn't the line... it will be biased toward the stronger pole. And Should probably note that flux lines come out the sides of the magnet, as indicated by the magnetic viewing film having dark areas...
If you have a significantly larger magnet than another mating magnet, it will want to hang on the sides at an angle.... until it's at the equilibrium point (middle is a bad term, because the poles can be of different strength, which will bias the equilibrium away from the middle)
And line is also technicall bad, because it's a gradiant, and not a distinct line-like region. But it is in general a line.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 12:50:16 AM
If you take some non magnetized iron and add it to the end of a magnet, the middle isn't the line... it will be biased toward the stronger pole. And Should probably note that flux lines come out the sides of the magnet, as indicated by the magnetic viewing film having dark areas...
If you have a significantly larger magnet than another mating magnet, it will want to hang on the sides at an angle.... until it's at the equilibrium point (middle is a bad term, because the poles can be of different strength, which will bias the equilibrium away from the middle)
And line is also technicall bad, because it's a gradiant, and not a distinct line-like region. But it is in general a line.
hell must have frozen over, someone finally saying something sensible, logical, and accurate. ;D
(not meaning that nobody else has).
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 12:28:32 AM
how could you read it otherwise? obviously.
There is "more than one way to skin a cat" obviously.
alter maneto-dielectic coherency via CHARGE, or by magnetic induction (which is resultantly WEAK)
magnetic induction ADDS NOTHING, all you have done is rearranged the existing (and then only part of it) inter-atomic magneto-dielectric. And then only weakly and not permanently.
TA,
The reason I asked is because it is possible to magnetize steel (etc.) without the use of electricity or another magnet. It seems that you have/are stating that the use of electricity or induction is the basis for, or necessary for, the creation of a magnet. I am trying to understand your position regarding this.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 28, 2014, 03:18:17 AM
It seems that you have/are stating that the use of electricity or induction is the basis for, or necessary for, the creation of a magnet
If you got that impression, it was wrong.
Any ferrous object is ALREADY dielectrically capacitant,
however incoherent. Rubbing coherency into a ferrous mass from another magnet has not added anything, only caused partial inductive coherency resultant to the magneto-dielectric inter-atomic alignment going on from rubbing an iron bar or needle with another "magnet" .
Strong field charge from the "genuine" magnet overpowers and induces magneto-dielectric coherency in the iron/needle
And, ...what makes you think stroking an iron bar with a magnet isnt actually also low level induction? simplex fluid dynamics explains most of this except on a wholly diff. medium.
Its no diff. than inducing vertical lift in an airfoil from high pressure air moving along the air foil.........in this case magnetic current running across the iron bar.
All inter-atomic in the iron bar equalizes to to the magnet inducing the coherent field gradients, some of that equalization remains afterwords......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA3yCjjbG-0
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 04:58:47 AM
And, ...what makes you think stroking an iron bar with a magnet isnt actually also low level induction? [/b]
simplex fluid dynamics explains most of this except on a wholly diff. medium.
I have no idea why you are asking this.
I was asking about when a piece of steel is magnetized without using electricity or another magnet.
PW
What you thinking of picowatt? If you heat above CP. And hammer in Earth's
magnetism you're still using another magnet!
John.
Quote from: picowatt on July 27, 2014, 05:33:23 PM
Tinman,
Take a look at this wiki, about half way down the page to "Direction of Force"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field
If you apply the rule as given, you will indeed see that it predicts opposite spins on the OD versus ID. However, it appears to me that both directions are reversed from what the rule would indicate.
You had the south pole up in those tests, correct? (and your compass still point north correctly? We have seen compasses ruined from being around magnets. Just asking...)
If you would, please confirm that the fluid motion is in the same direction as the bubbles using the "flag" idea mentioned.
PW
ADDED: You need not bother to video the flag test. If you say the fluid is indeed moving in concert with the bubbles, that's good enough for me. But, make sure to check the flow right at the edge of the magnet where H2 is being generated.
Quote PW: However, it appears to me that both directions are reversed from what the rule would indicate.
Finally some one see's it-things are back to front to what they should be. I have hinted at this 3 times in this thread and once in the !Thread for naysayers,and shills! Qoute post 187-Most are saying,its just the right hand rule thing(as per homopolar motor),but i dont think any one yet has actually taken notice of the electrical and magnetic polarity of my setup-that i clearly gave in the last video lol.
Quote PW: You had the south pole up in those tests, correct? (and your compass still point north correctly? We have seen compasses ruined from being around magnets. Just asking...)
If you would, please confirm that the fluid motion is in the same direction as the bubbles using the "flag" idea mentioned.
Yes,have tried 3 different compasses-one a very expencive marine compass from my boat-all three are correct,as the marine one still points north. I used a piece of sewing thread to try and see the direction of water flow,but the bubbles just made it float away from the magnet. I then lifted the magnet close to the top of the water level,and dropped in a few drops of red food dye,and it flowed the same direction as the bubbles. I could also see some small bits of rubbish flowing in the same direction as the bubble as the water became contaminated.
Now there was something else in the video before the last,when i had the stream of bubbles coming from the S/S thread bar,and the bought a magnets pole end close to the stream of bubble's.->Did you notice anything there a bit odd as well?. Both the north and south poles of the magnet attracted the stream of H2 bubbles. One would of thought that one of the magnetic polarities would have pushed the bubbles away-but both attract?.
Next weekend,i am going to set up my HHO cell,and run the test again using only gas-no electric current-just to see what happens.
http://www.physics247.com/physics-tutorial/magnetic-field-left-hand.shtml
Electron deflection in a magnetic field follows left hand rule. if the field line to north it the direction of the thumb, deflection will be the curl of left hand fingers.
It is interesting that the magnetic field seems to be conducted through the bolt even though its domains don't align. But I guess it's just a far field from the magnet that's mostly vertical there...
How do you mean "near field" and "far field"? How do you personally distinguish between the two? In electromagnetics, the near field is where evanescent waves exist, and the far field is where plane waves exist almost exclusively.
Quote from: minnie on July 28, 2014, 08:06:03 AM
What you thinking of picowatt? If you heat above CP. And hammer in Earth's
magnetism you're still using another magnet!
John.
apparently it was recently discovered that TRUE MASTER SWORDS made in early japan were hammered in making them at N to S, so if a warrior was LOST in the woods, he could place his sword on a grass matt etc in the water and his sword would point to Northanother "mystic of the magic of master level very old warrior swords"
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 09:13:52 AM
http://www.physics247.com/physics-tutorial/magnetic-field-left-hand.shtml
Electron deflection in a magnetic field follows left hand rule. if the field line to north it the direction of the thumb, deflection will be the curl of left hand fingers.
FIELDS have NOTHING to do with particles, not one stinking bit.
Nor do pixie dust "discharge particles" .....i.e. electrons,.........dont exist.
Steinmetz denied such nonsense, so did Tesla, so did Heaviside, so did JJ Thomson himself!!!!!!
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 09:19:36 AM
It is interesting that the magnetic field seems to be conducted through the bolt
No it isnt,
...it doesnt matter ONE SINGLE BIT THAT THE BOLT IS STAINLESS, the bolt is reacting to the dielectric of the magnets. Stainless, Aluminum, Iron. DOES NOT MATTER.
>>>>>>Paramagnetic, ...ferrous.., "non-magnetic"....diamagnetic ALL ARE STILL affected by the "magnet" <<<<<<<The wrong premise of "Stainless doesnt "attract" to a magnet"
is a valid premise from ANYTHING ANYONE is taught, but that is not how "magnets" work
A "magnet is NOT A MAGNET", (what the hell??) magnetism is radiation of the charging dielectric field IN the (so-called) "magnet"
As such, that its
surgical grade stainless DOES NOT MATTER ONE SINGLE BIT So-called "magnetic attraction" occurs at the coherent displacement of the dielectric of the ferrous (OR stainless, OR aluminum, however without resultant acceleration of same , or "attraction"...) object ACCELERATING towards the "magnet" NOT due to magnetism ....
(all this is IN THE BOOK)That stainless NOR aluminum do not accelerate to a magnet, whereas Iron DOES, has bred this
UTTERLY WRONG idea that "something is NOT AFFECTED by a magnet"They are ALL affected by the "magnet", period 200% certainty, ......that certain metals etc etc DO NOT JUMP / ACCELERATE TO a "magnet" means nothing as per the reaction from the dielectric object (the "magnet").
>>>>>I affect WATER with magnets, I affect PLANT GROWTH with magnets<<<< (and have videos of this fact)................. Dielectricity and magnetism are the 2 co-principles of the entire COSMOS.
I assure you, that just because it DOES NOT ACCELERATE to a "magnet" means nothing ultimately, ALL are affected by the dielectric field. !!!!!!!!! ALLLL
Im splitting LASER LIGHT OFF MAGNETS using 2 devices and a splitter............. anyone know that a magnet TEARS LIGHT APART?????????? Oh yes it ABSOGODDAMNLUTELY DOES
I have the device that does it, posted pictures of same few pages ago, have built the device with an associate, seeking a patent for same. Yes, heres the ("crazy" bit nobody can/wants to/ believe... etc) Your LONG HELD belief that "magnetic attraction" is driven by magnetism is 100% dead wrong (what the hell???) .
Sok, but alas, thats the case, I can prove it, I will make more videos (already made one on this) on this fact.
In fact JC Maxwell said this himself ;D...........
but hey, "nobody reads that OLD SHIT anymore"
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 01:37:02 PM
FIELDS have NOTHING to do with particles, not one stinking bit.
Nor do pixie dust "discharge particles" .....i.e. electrons,.........dont exist.
Steinmetz denied such nonsense, so did Tesla, so did Heaviside, so did JJ Thomson himself!!!!!!
Really? CRTs don't work?
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 01:55:42 PM
Really? CRTs don't work?
you dont get it, CRT are dielectric tubes.
All your cherished sacred cows about "discharge particle" i.e. electrons is pure twaddle.
THAT something "works" and HOW something works........2 wholly diff. things son ;D ;D ;D
Even the DISCOVERER of the "electron" (actually it was discovered by Maxwell) , JJ Thomson DENIED it was a particle.
"There is no rest mass to an 'electron'. It is given here the 'electron' is no more than a broken loose "hold fast" under the grip of
the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. Obviously this
reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein's Theory of Relativity."
"This gaseous Ether is the seat of electrical phenomena through the process of its polarization. This polarization gives rise to
induction, which then gives rise to stored energy. Tesla gives a good presentation of his Ether ideas in his "Experiments with Alternate
Currents of High Potential and High Frequency." Mentioned previously, the Planck, Q, as the primary dimensional relation defining
the "Polarized Ether", this as an "Atom of Electricity". It is however, from the views of J.J. Thomson, the Coulomb, psi, the total
dielectric induction is the primary dimension defining the "Polarized Ether". The lawyer like skill of today's theoretical physicist
(Pharisee) has erased this understanding from human memory, it is henceforth sealed by the Mystic Idol of Albert Einstein. If Einstein
says no, then it is impossible. What a nice little package."
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the
'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the
magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" -
C.P. Steinmetz (Electric
Discharges, Waves and Impulses)
The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by
Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged
Heaviside to begin a series of writings
"Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve
Biller
"Here we will dispel the "electronics nerd" concept that a capacitor stores "electrons" in its plates. Taking the pair of copper plates
as in the previous experiment, but now we have two pairs of plates, one pair of plates distant from the other pair of plates. Upon one
pair of plates is imposed an electro-static potential between them. The cube of 10-C oil is inserted between this "charged" set of plates.
This hereby establishes a dielectric field of induction within the unit cube of 10-C oil. Now we then remove this cube of oil,
withdrawing it from the space bounded by the charged pair of copper plates, and taking this unit cube of oil, it is then inserted into the
space bounded by the other uncharged pair of plates. Upon insertion it is found that the un-charged pair of plates have now in fact
become charged also. It here can be seen that a cube of dielectric induction can be carried through space, from one set of plates to
another set of plates."
Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end
of one unit line of dielectric induction."The notion exists that the electro-motive force, E.M.F. in volts, is established by "cutting" lines of magnetic induction via a socalled
electric conductor. This "cutting" is then said to impel the motions of so-called electrons within the conducting material. It is
however that a perfect conductor cannot "cut" through lines of induction, or flux lines, Phi. Heaviside points out that the perfect
conductor is a perfect obstructer and magnetic induction cannot gain entry into the so-called conducting material. So where is the
current, how then does an E.M.F. come about? Now enters the complication; it can be inferred that an electrical generator that is
wound with a perfect conducting material cannot produce an E.M.F. No lines of flux can be cut and the Ether gets wound up in a knot.
Heaviside remarks that the practitioners of his day "do a good deal of churning up the Ether in their dynamos".
You cannot say that stretching a trillion rubber bands nailed to the floor and releasing them or breaking their "force lines" is the
"flow of electrons"; discharge is a terminal movement in systems of inductance or dielectric capacitance. There are no discrete
particles in the universe and certainly none that mediate charges, discharges, magnetism, electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation,
only fields, all modalities of the Ether. The so-called 'electrons' are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle
of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "electrons", nor assuredly are there energy
discharges in the vacuum of space involving 'electrons'; the 'electron' is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty
mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist.
Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge;
dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q;
'electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields
The 'electron microscope' lieThere are no negatively "charged" particles in this universe. Negative electricity discharges while positive electricity charges. The
negative depolarizing force functions in the opposite manner and direction to the positive polarizing force. – W. Russell
"Always question the academic who tells you he's manipulating particles that nobody has never witnessed. Countless particles are
created in the Atomistic religion of quantum as demonstrable redesignations of electrical and magnetic effects and fields. An entire
academic pantheon of liars is established to perpetrate this nonsense." – Author
"Because the SEM (scanning electron microscope) utilizes vacuum conditions and uses 'electrons' to form an image, special
preparations must be applied to the sample. All water must be removed from the samples because the water would vaporize in the
vacuum. All metals are conductive and require no preparation before being used. All non-metals need to be made conductive by
covering the sample with a thin layer of conductive material. This is done by using a device called a "sputter coater". The sputter
coater uses an electric field and argon gas. The sample is placed in a small chamber that is at a vacuum. Argon gas and an electric field
cause an 'electron' to be removed from the argon, making the atoms positively charged. The argon ions then become attracted to a
negatively charged gold foil. The argon ions knock gold atoms from the surface of the gold foil. These gold atoms fall and settle onto
the surface of the sample producing a thin gold coating "
Only conductive (metal) samples are suitable for "electron" microscopy untreated, all other samples are metal treated to prevent
them from burning up in the intense dielectric beam. The resulting image is therefore of the metal coating or stain and not the original
sample! Never believe a relativist telling you he's "shooting his electron gun". A metal dielectric reflector of a once living organism is
not the original sample nor are there electrons scanning it. This device in reality is a dielectric scanning reflector, which produces fine
images as only reflected off metal surfaces. The very focusing beams of these microscope are constrictor "lenses" of dielectric flux
lines. Ferrofluid
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Fields are a form of mass even if there is no mass its all energy conservation ! The universe will develop an amount of force on any object and in more way than words or numbers can determine so I agree but also disagree what that means is that a field has no mass than it has mass its on off on off ..............
X is above the speed of light and Y is at 10% to the speed of light yet X and Y ARE THE SAME LIKE YOUR COIN IT HAS 2 SIDES YOU CANT HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER ......
Any way I don't use drugs I get my high from reality ! Looks like the bugs have all done a runner hahahahah mention particle physics and the electron plumbers hide behind a battery hahahah come on you electron plumbers I can smell you, don't be frightened I will only short circuit your stupid O S and burn out your battery hahahah ............... NOW THE REAL MAGNETIC VORTEX !!!! In a pyramid they found gold wire wound like a coil and formed into something like a hat so I made one but used Iron to rap the gold around and used a Chinese bowl in the key of C to form the harmonic . It is said that all stone circles are in the key of C and applied a 12v DC CHARGE TO MY SURPRISE A MAGNETIC FIELD WAS OSCILATING AT THE HEAD OF THE DEVICE ..
So there is the magnetic vortex just crush up ferrite magnets and fill up the inside of the device make two and face them to each other and up the volts at a million volts the vortex will spin at light speed, place any object in the field and if you know there natural resonance tune the oscillations to that frequency ........ The mass in the field than has no gravity ! Its the same as blocking an RF signal with 2 signals either side of the signal you want to block ... Hutchison does it by chance yet this technology was first used between 5000 and 10 000 years ago...
me
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 28, 2014, 03:41:25 PM
Fields are a form of mass
Whatever you are smoking or 'doing' , suggest you quit it.
Sorry, but I have no need for insanity.
Edit: I went back and re-read (for a third time) your message... And even if it's accepted to call a mode of aether than has charge and mass and exists in the place of an an electron... well that mode might as well be called electron.
Nice; Theo even denied the one reasonable argument for some of this :) Fields aren't mass :)
So. If an electron has no mass, how is it used in space propulsion? If it was massless, it would dissipate away from the projector and not provide any ability to thrust; and since it's not just the negative electrostatic field serving as mass, that isn't the reason :)
You can come up with new names for things, but in the end you end up with a different word that has the same meaning as 'electron'. Electrons are particles, ie they have mass. If they didn't have mass they would be called photons not particles. I'm not sure what you were quoting where, but I suspect it was pioneer work that was since disproved by other experiences.
CRTs were created using the concept of electron, so again, even if you call it something else, it must behave the same; and have all the same characteristic properties.
Just because you say something isn't doesn't make it so. I'm not. *damnit I'm still here*
Was going to say that a charged mass has a different mass than a neutral mass of the same base material; and since it's not fields that cause the mass, it must be particles.... but according to you the particles added had nothing to do with the electrostatic charge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_rest_mass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_rest_mass)
http://www.pa.msu.edu/courses/2004summer/phy192/electron_charge_and_mass.pdf (http://www.pa.msu.edu/courses/2004summer/phy192/electron_charge_and_mass.pdf)
Interesting how many pictures of CRTs with beams being deflected and yet magnetism has no effect on it.
I dunno, maybe you think 'electron' defines a thing that covers too many aspects, and should be split into sub-parts *search*... hmm appears to be a 1st class particle itself not composed of other quarks... Even if it's not a thing directly observable, there's lots of indirect observations that define the thing... yes it's looking at shadows in the wall (plato) to see the thing, and isn't the thing itself.
@MileHigh [size=78%]How do you personally distinguish between the two? [/size]
Really I don't other than distance and quality. a near field is immediately experienced... one that is far is one you don't nessicarily attribute to being the same field... because normal gross measuring techniques fail... *shrug* should have just dropped the word far, cause I knew someone would nitpick it.
Next time something is picked on grammatically or semantically I'm gonna just let it go.... I'm not going to break it down into its parts, because I'm sure you understand the meaning of english words. (heh english isn't in the spellcheck dictionary, English; guess it should be capitalized always... what if I were to talk about english on a billiard ball? That surely shouldn't be capitalized)... I dunno maybe there's really a narrow mindset that really doesn't understand if I say... I dunno... something in a poetic license... maybe a dim field of charge. that might mean something to someone other than me that confuses them.
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To go back to the beginning however, if I have two electrostatically charged things, there is a force that acts on them, and hence affects their mass. Normally one would say that a thing without mass cannot affect another thing with mass... cannot provide an acceleration to change its velocity and in turn update its position. The charged things themselves have a mass... don't know of a massless field that can affect a mass.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
So. If an electron has no mass, how is it used in space propulsion? If it was massless, it would dissipate away from the projector
I see you have no clue about field repulsion / induction. Nice work there.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
You can come up with new names for things, but in the end you end up with a different word that has the same meaning as 'electron'.
Names are MEANINGLESS descriptions/subjective connotation. In denotation, electrons have NO mass, and are NOT particles. PERIOD.
Even Tesla used the term ELECTRON, son, he also however DENIED they were PARTICLES, Got it?
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
Electrons are particles, ie they have mass. If they didn't have mass they would be called photons not particles. I'm not sure what you were quoting where, but I suspect it was pioneer work that was since disproved by other experiences.
Thats a BS circular argument, (AND ONLY A CLAIM)... that IDIOTS have been CALLING it a particle for a long time doesnt mean jack shit. Wrong.
"Theyre called particles therefore they are particles" WHERE did you learn logic at?????? :o :o ;D ;D
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
CRTs were created using the concept of electron, so again, even if you call it something else, it must behave the same; and have all the same characteristic properties.
Nope, CRTs were FIRST created as a testing device..... the CONCEPT OF the electron came AFTER and was DENIED by its very discoverer,.....JJ Thomson DENIED the electron was a particle. Clueless
I see you know NOTHING.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_rest_mass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_rest_mass)
http://www.pa.msu.edu/courses/2004summer/phy192/electron_charge_and_mass.pdf (http://www.pa.msu.edu/courses/2004summer/phy192/electron_charge_and_mass.pdf)
Yes, I know of that BS, however there is no such nonsense as a "rest mass" to an electron, several scientists have denied this has EVER been measured
measured WITH WHAT???? There can be NO rest to what is dielectric or electric discharge, DISCHARGE itself is DEFINITIONAL MOVEMENT, moron........"rest mass" my goddamn ass. You, son, are INSANE. ;D ;D
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
Interesting how many pictures of CRTs with beams being deflected and yet magnetism has no effect on it.
Forget about the CRT, son. I have 13 other testing medium that have nothing to do with CRT tubes. Go study JC Maxwell and maybe learn something.
There are no electrons, negative charges, special-dimensions, warped space (resoundingly denied by Tesla and others), and no
p hotons; only charge, induction and radiation/discharges and their relational spins, all as mediated thru the Ether. Quantum and
Relativity is a quack religion of mathematical physics based upon the absurd premise that the universe is a giant sea of interactive
massless tiny invisible beads and that space itself, nothing, mediates interactions and can be genuinely 'warped'. Such conceptual
Atomistic reifications as amplified by GR (Relativity) cannot be enjoined, and the only genuine warping occurring is not out in the
cosmos of space, but in the empty spaces between the ears of those who reify such absurdities; warped minds rationally would invent
warped space; its purely logical in its insanity that the former produce the later.
Space has only one dimension, space, which is a metrical dimension. The use of cubic notation is habit-based, any number of coordinates
in any number of geometries can serve to define the boundaries of space. Nature is not governed by the irrational
pontifications of GR and QM, rather it is governed by mutually interactive reciprocal conjugates of charges-discharges, centripetalcentrifugal
movements, both spatial and counterspatial. Instantaneous action at a distance, and fields are all Ether modality mediations
as propagated by counterspace-in-disturbance, the Ether, its pressure gradients and perturbations. No other mediator can be logically
hypothesized, much less theorized. The very same Ether of Tesla, Heaviside, C.P. Steinmetz, and even originally from Einstein before
logic fled his mind completely, was correct and remains so. Tesla outright denied our current definition of the electron as a 'discharge
particle'.
All electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force (as reified by the incorrect
understanding of the definition of a 'field'), these pressure gradients, or "lines" are contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving
motion to the terminus 'electron'. The thermionic 'electron' contracts, pulling the 'electron', the cathode ray stretching, pulled by the
'electron'. In the former case the lines of force are dissipated, in the latter case the line of force are projected, in both cases these socalled
'electrons' assume radial motions, with non participating pressure gradients, or forces filling the 'voids', directing the
'electrons'. Hence, it is the so-called 'electrons' (dielectric radial discharges) that travel in straight lines, that is, radially. 'Electrons'
have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; the so-called 'electrons' are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. 'Electrons' are in
fact the resistance. From extensive experimental work into atomic electrical science by J. J. Thompson, and Nikola Tesla, it is
established that the so-called electron is only a shadow; its apparent-only physical mass is merely an electrical momentum (ejected by
the dielectric inertia in disturbance). There is no rest mass to an electron nor could there be logically, a rest-electron 'bead'; such
notions are absurd and evidence proven non-existent. The very premise is logically impossible and contradicts the rational physics of
atomic charges and discharges.
"In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to
give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the
influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto
remained obscure to us." -
Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916
All this magnet talk and no mention of the "Wesley Gary" effect. He has patents too. He must have been a genius as well.
..
Quote from: Farmhand on July 28, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
All this magnet talk and no mention of the "Wesley Gary" effect. He has patents too. He must have been a genius as well.
..
yes, this bullshit> http://www.centuryinter.net/tjs11/church/gary.htm
Yeah, doesnt work.
While I do not necessarily think a self running motor or generator can be made using the effect, the effect does actually exist.
If you put a piece of magnetic material like iron on the pole of a cylinder magnet (which is what I tried) and that piece is the correct
length then when approached with another magnet oriented so the like poles are directed at each other then the magnets will first
repel then at a closer distance the magnets both attract to the iron.
There is an idiot here I thought he was mad but now I know he's just an idiot soaking up the response, changing the laws of reality mixing it with drug induced brain cells than see all energy as nothing but a delusion in he's own head ! This was about magnetic vortexes now its about a mental case full of stupidity ignorance and denial .... WHAT A SHAME .......
Nice proof of mass I wonder what the idiot will say about that one ? But he cant can he he's is not made of anything no field no electrons no atoms no logic no sense of reality in fact he is not even alive hahahahahahahahah come on dude stop the wind up look in the mirror leave the magnetic alone its got electrons there on off on off hahahah .... lol you monkey hahahaha
me
Quote from: Farmhand on July 28, 2014, 05:00:33 PM
If he or others actually KNEW what the term "polarized" actually MEANS and IMPLIES, .........
people always confuse "magnetic polarization" and "polarized fields" and ALWAYS what the hell "polarization" MEANS ;D
Quote from: Farmhand on July 28, 2014, 05:00:33 PM
While I do not necessarily think a self running motor or generator can be made using the effect, the effect does actually exist.
If you put a piece of magnetic material like iron on the pole of a cylinder magnet (which is what I tried) and that piece is the correct
length then when approached with another magnet oriented so the like poles are directed at each other then the magnets will first
repel then at a closer distance the magnets both attract to the iron.
sounds like a version of CMR magnets... correlated magnetics research uhmm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65XwNwgyWO4
http://www.correlatedmagnetics.com/
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 04:45:46 PM
I see you have no clue about field repulsion / induction. Nice work there.
Sure I do; in order for the field to do work against a mass it must be associated with another mass; if it's not, it can do no work against the mass to be moved.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 04:45:46 PMNames are MEANINGLESS descriptions/subjective connotation. In denotation, electrons have NO mass, and are NOT particles. PERIOD.
Even Tesla used the term ELECTRON, son, he also however DENIED they were PARTICLES, Got it?
Thats a BS circular argument, (AND ONLY A CLAIM)... that IDIOTS have been CALLING it a particle for a long time doesnt mean jack shit. Wrong.
"Theyre called particles therefore they are particles" WHERE did you learn logic at? ??? ?? :o :o ;D ;D
Yes, and science has evolved, and the name continues to remain the same without contention except in your new faith-based model.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 04:45:46 PM
Nope, CRTs were FIRST created as a testing device..... the CONCEPT OF the electron came AFTER and was DENIED by its very discoverer,.....JJ Thomson DENIED the electron was a particle. Clueless
I see you know NOTHING.
Yes, I know of that BS, however there is no such nonsense as a "rest mass" to an electron, several scientists have denied this has EVER been measured
I measured it in high school.... not accurately... which is really what the other articles say... 'not measured accurately'
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 04:45:46 PMmeasured WITH WHAT? ??? There can be NO rest to what is dielectric or electric discharge, DISCHARGE itself is DEFINITIONAL MOVEMENT, moron........"rest mass" my goddamn ass. You, son, are INSANE. ;D ;D
Forget about the CRT, son. I have 13 other testing medium that have nothing to do with CRT tubes. Go study JC Maxwell and maybe learn something.
There are no electrons, negative charges, special-dimensions, warped space (resoundingly denied by Tesla and others), and no
p hotons; only charge, induction and radiation/discharges and their relational spins, all as mediated thru the Ether. Quantum and
Relativity is a quack religion of mathematical physics based upon the absurd premise that the universe is a giant sea of interactive
massless tiny invisible beads and that space itself, nothing, mediates interactions and can be genuinely 'warped'. Such conceptual
Atomistic reifications as amplified by GR (Relativity) cannot be enjoined, and the only genuine warping occurring is not out in the
cosmos of space, but in the empty spaces between the ears of those who reify such absurdities; warped minds rationally would invent
warped space; its purely logical in its insanity that the former produce the later.
Sure; van degraff generators don't work, and don't generate something we've labeled as 'electrostatic charge' with either positive or negative properties to further define it.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 04:45:46 PMSpace has only one dimension, space, which is a metrical dimension. The use of cubic notation is habit-based, any number of coordinates
in any number of geometries can serve to define the boundaries of space. Nature is not governed by the irrational
pontifications of GR and QM, rather it is governed by mutually interactive reciprocal conjugates of charges-discharges, centripetalcentrifugal
movements, both spatial and counterspatial. Instantaneous action at a distance, and fields are all Ether modality mediations
as propagated by counterspace-in-disturbance, the Ether, its pressure gradients and perturbations. No other mediator can be logically
hypothesized, much less theorized. The very same Ether of Tesla, Heaviside, C.P. Steinmetz, and even originally from Einstein before
logic fled his mind completely, was correct and remains so. Tesla outright denied our current definition of the electron as a 'discharge
particle'.
All electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force (as reified by the incorrect
understanding of the definition of a 'field'), these pressure gradients, or "lines" are contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving
motion to the terminus 'electron'. The thermionic 'electron' contracts, pulling the 'electron', the cathode ray stretching, pulled by the
'electron'. In the former case the lines of force are dissipated, in the latter case the line of force are projected, in both cases these socalled
'electrons' assume radial motions, with non participating pressure gradients, or forces filling the 'voids', directing the
'electrons'. Hence, it is the so-called 'electrons' (dielectric radial discharges) that travel in straight lines, that is, radially. 'Electrons'
have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; the so-called 'electrons' are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. 'Electrons' are in
fact the resistance. From extensive experimental work into atomic electrical science by J. J. Thompson, and Nikola Tesla, it is
established that the so-called electron is only a shadow; its apparent-only physical mass is merely an electrical momentum (ejected by
the dielectric inertia in disturbance). There is no rest mass to an electron nor could there be logically, a rest-electron 'bead'; such
notions are absurd and evidence proven non-existent. The very premise is logically impossible and contradicts the rational physics of
atomic charges and discharges.
"In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to
give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the
influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto
remained obscure to us." - Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916
Ya, was hoping you might have some interesting insights like dollard; but in the incompleteness of your theory it's definitely not ready for prime-time.
You've stated repeatedly that there is a lot of nothing to does a lot of something, and haven't even presented a quantifiable replacement for the things that already represent quantifiable effects, so the end result is, like the big bang theory it leads to no useful predictions. I see no evidence of an electrons non existence except the words stated by you, father, so I'm afraid I can't follow your religion, and I'll attempt to refrain from dissuading others from following.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 05:07:04 PM
sounds like a version of CMR magnets... correlated magnetics research uhmm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65XwNwgyWO4
http://www.correlatedmagnetics.com/
What that scumbag company and their novel geometric single-unit polarizer DOES, which they dont tell you, is that due to tight multipolar induction, their "novel magnets" dont hold that magneto-dielectric geometry for very long
Haaaaa
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 05:22:19 PM
What that scumbag company and their novel geometric single-unit polarizer DOES, which they dont tell you, is that due to tight multipolar induction, their "novel magnets" dont hold that magneto-dielectric geometry for very long
Haaaaa
I'd beleive that. but the iron also won't always conduct the repulsion... if it's left long enough attracted, it'll remain attracting.
Bits of wisdom one can receive from Theo:
So a force that moves to bodies toward one another isn't attraction, and a force that tends to accelerate them away from each other isn't repulsion(repulsive).
Quote from: d3x0r on July 28, 2014, 05:28:19 PM
Bits of wisdom one can receive from Theo:
So a force that moves to bodies toward one another isn't attraction, and a force that tends to accelerate them away from each other isn't repulsion.
LONG AGO they used to claim the Loadstone was "breathing" with the "breath of the gods"
to incorrectly call the jumping of iron to a "magnet" as
"MAGNETIC attraction" IS NO different than people long ago calling it the "force of the gods"
Descriptions are EASY, EXPLAINATIONS are where wisdom and insight come into play.
What you (and everyone else) incorrectly call ATTRACTION, is dielectric voidance , as necessitated by the properties of dielectricity.
Connotative attraction and repulsion ARE correct.
However they are NOT doing so due to magnetism in the "magnet" which is a dielectric (dominant and/or coherent) object, ......
radiation/discharge doesnt attract anything. It displaces things, but not attract them In magnetized iron created from mere magnetic induction, there is dielectric coherence only.
in a strong magnet created from discharge coils, there is enormous dielectric capacitance AND coherency.
The very phrase "magnetic attraction" (a rancid LIE)
is sooooo deeply ingrained in peoples minds, to say and prove otherwise,... its like yelling "God doesnt exist" in the middle of the Vatican.
Its PURELY FUTILE
D3x:
Here is were you will get a Bloch wall:
[N----S] [iron bar] [S---N]
There will be a Bloch wall somewhere in the middle of the iron bar. That's what a Bloch wall is - a boundary between magnetic domains of opposite (or different) alignment.
You can't forget what the definition of a Bloch wall is.
Here there will be no Bloch wall at all:
[N----S] [iron bar] [N---S]
Remove the iron bar and there will be no Bloch wall:
[N----S] [N---S]
And that looks identical to this, where there is still no Bloch wall:
[N---S]
What you are talking about, the "equilibrium point" is more about where the 'theoretical' lowest state of magnetic potential energy (MPE) is for a magnet. That's at the center line of the magnet. If you had a "magic iron ball" that could travel through the solid magnet, then it would travel to the center of the magnet and stop at that point because it is the position with the lowest magnetic potential energy.
So it's a case of mixing or making up definitions. A Bloch wall is the border between two magnetic domains or macro magnetic domains with different orientations. That does not exist at the center of a standard bar magnet.
A Bloch wall has only one definition. Talking about an "equilibrium point" in the center of a magnet where the lowest MPE has absolutely nothing to do with a Bloch wall.
And I know where the misinformation comes from. It's from the Bedini followers. Bedini falsely says that there is a Bloch wall at the center of a magnet and that a magnet has "a north half" and "a south half." Both statements are completely wrong and they corrupt the minds of his followers. Likewise, he talked about the (sold for scrap) "Windmill motor" having a different setup depending on whether it was in the Northern Hemisphere or in the Southern Hemisphere because of the Earth's magnetic field. The silliness of that statement is typical of the "false world" set up by Bedini. The magnetic field in either hemisphere is exactly the same from the perspective of an observer on the ground.
Repeat: There is no bloody Bloch wall in the center of a bar magnet, nor some "dielectric inertial plane." A bar magnet is essentially a single macro magnetic domain were no matter where you are inside the magnet, all that you see when you look in any direction are magnetic dipoles pointed in the same direction. You could be anywhere inside the magnet and look in any direction and you see the exact same thing.
And there is no "north field" and "south field." That's just a naming convention. Magnetic field lines travel in circles and as a result you have no frame of reference to say "north" and "south." However, the magnetic field is a vector quantity that has a distinguishable direction, and that is highly significant.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 06:18:26 PM
There will be a Bloch wall somewhere in the middle of the iron bar. That's what a Bloch wall is - a boundary between magnetic domains of opposite (or different) alignment.
HAAAAAAAA!!!! I see you dont know the diff. between a DESCRIPTION and an EXPLANATION!!!!!!!!! PATHETIC !!!! ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 06:18:26 PM
Repeat: There is no bloody Bloch wall in the center of a bar magnet, nor some "dielectric inertial plane."
Sorry, thats a CLAIM, I see no evidences, pedal that BS down the road, son.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 06:18:26 PM
Magnetic field lines travel in circles and as a result you have no frame of reference to say "north" and "south." However, the magnetic field is a vector quantity that has a distinguishable direction, and that is highly significant.
Nope son, its called GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION, also known as the Larmor Frequency. You know NOTHING.
Even a MRI technician knows about this
Hmm, I see the dielectric inertial plane ("bloch wall") pictured below,.........Yeah, youre full of it.
Thats also why some physics books call it "MAGNETIC PINCH" idiot. (pics below)
QuoteNope son, its called GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION, also known as the Larmor Frequency. You know NOTHING.
Asperger's syndrome on steroids?
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 06:28:19 PM
Asperger's syndrome on steroids?
Go learn something, you know NOTHING, worse still, you are certain of your (incorrect) certainty
See below, son.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 06:28:19 PM
That's what a Bloch wall is - a boundary between magnetic domains of opposite (or different) alignment.
boundary OF what? CREATED BY WHAT? ROFL !!!! You dont know the answer ( I do). ;D
>>>>>>>>>>>Descriptions are not explanations, son. NOW, tell us HOW and WHY this "boundary" "KNOWS" how to immediately SHIFT when two magnets are brought together. (YOU CANNOT)
NOW, tell us WHY this "boundary" is ONLY created from induction?
NOW, tell us HOW this "boundary" equalizes due to pressure gradients? (YOU CANNOT)
NOW, tell us WHY there is ZERO MAGNETIC "ATTRACTION" AT THIS so-called "BOUNDARY" ??? (YOU CANNOT)
Its all a "magnet" right? Why is there NO "attraction" at the boundary? ROFL :o :o
Ok, so a "magnet" is "POLARIZED" ehhhh?? So what the FUCK is creating the polarization????? (Hint, is that dielectric inertial plane CONCENTRATED [[[[[[not IN.........CONCENTRATED]]]] at the middle).
Learn the difference:
1. concentrated AT
2. LOCATED AT2 wholly diff. things. :o ;D
The fluctuation energy motor does work I have one ! I HAD TO FIND MY GLASSES TO READ !!!! NOW MR BULL S==T stop it ! Be respectful stop the heavy insults stick to the theory of nothing hahahaha I must say there is something to it but with nothing ringing in your head its possibly all nothing hahahahah .....
Nothing does exist as nothing only to be balanced out by everything a perfect system but if you just have nothing that my dear nutter is not a perfect system and the universe is a system that is in constant balance ! IF YOU DONT EXCEPT IT THAN YOU SIR ARE A MENTAL CASE ! If you do re create nothing than the only thing that will happen is BANG .............. OK ..... IDIOT !
Kenny:
Me: <<< Magnetic field lines travel in circles and as a result you have no frame of reference to say "north" and "south." However, the magnetic field is a vector quantity that has a distinguishable direction, and that is highly significant. >>>
You: <<< Nope son, its called GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION, also known as the Larmor Frequency. You know NOTHING. >>>
You are "nuts" in the sense that you often respond to points made by someone with totally unrelated points. It's like there are connections being made in your head because of some kind of "class 9 neural ion storm" or something.
The Larmor Frequency has absolutely nothing to do with what I was discussing.
What I said about the Bloch wall in the iron bar is absolutely correct and your pop quiz questions are a hoot.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 06:59:44 PM
Repeat: There is no bloody Bloch wall in the center of a bar magnet, nor some "dielectric inertial plane."
Did you say that<<<<? Yup. I love how you make a 1000 statements and give no evidence NOR logic for any fucking bit of it ;D ;D
When someone dumps a pile of evidence on your head, you pretend it never happened
This, boy, is called SOPHISTRY.
boundary OF what? CREATED BY WHAT? ROFL !!!! You dont know the answer ( I do). ;D
>>>>>>>>>>>Descriptions are not explanations, son.
NOW, tell us HOW and WHY this "boundary" "KNOWS" how to immediately SHIFT when two magnets are brought together. (YOU CANNOT)
NOW, tell us WHY this "boundary" is ONLY created from induction?
NOW, tell us HOW this "boundary" equalizes due to pressure gradients? (YOU CANNOT)
NOW, tell us WHY there is ZERO MAGNETIC "ATTRACTION" AT THIS so-called "BOUNDARY" ??? (YOU CANNOT)
Its all a "magnet" right? Why is there NO "attraction" at the boundary? ROFL :o :o
Ok, so a "magnet" is "POLARIZED" ehhhh?? So what the FUCK is creating the polarization????? (Hint, is that dielectric inertial plane CONCENTRATED [[[[[[not IN.........CONCENTRATED]]]] at the middle).
Learn the difference:
1. concentrated AT
2. LOCATED AT*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Been waiting 20 PAGES NOW for you define ONE WORD-----------------
FIELD
Yup, there it is........ using a FERROCELL
OH DEAR ITS IN THE MIDDLE WHERE HE HAS FOUND HES NOTHING ! Atomic tightening is what brings the magnets together a higher concentration of field lines ! keep it simple son ! Look at the sun son ever heard of sun spots son its not a geezer its a sun spot to many electrons get the point ? ! There is something to what you are trying to say but open up the tin pot and inside is nothing but the tin pot is something you cant just have nothing . This is the part that you need to except and you cant have something without the nothing inside or around it . MILE HIGH IS RIGHT LISTEN TO HIM ! LEARN SOMETHING ! STOP LOOKING FOR NOTHING !
Fluctuation energy is what keeps everything together it co created the universe out of nothing the term fluctuation is on off on off its fluctuating just like my fluctuation generator but that works with a capacitor bank and a spinning mass no magnet needed son ! SPIN IT UP THAN DROP THE CURRENT TO ZERO POINT ! YOU CANT STOP THE DAM THING ..... Do you get it ??? APLY ANY AMOUNT OF FORCE AND IT REFLECTS IT BACK THE END NUMBER IS ALWAYS TWICE THE ENERGY ! With this truth a universe is made and a butter fly can switch on a hurricane in your head ......
Go to the equator and find its centre there is nothing there its the same for all mass ! Electrons have holes in them ! You have a hole in you ! Surface electrons live in a hole the galaxy has a hole there is nothing in it yet it is full of all that entered in to it . This son is the singularity you are looking at and yes its nothing but if two black holes collide they form one black hole yet all its energy is evaporating out slowly and the O D of the black hole is than able to grow . NOTHING IS ONLY A HOLE !!!!!! You keep going on about a magnet and the electron what about the atoms ? Its all fluctuations its how nothing makes every thing ! Now make something out of nothing !
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 28, 2014, 07:32:53 PM
Atomic tightening is what brings the magnets together a higher concentration of field lines ! keep it simple son ! Look at the sun son ever heard of sun spots son its not a geezer its a sun spot to many electrons get the point ?
Sorry, I dont deal in BS and nonsense. son. Magnetism is the "dielectric field" (IN DISCHARGE).
Radiation (polarization = space) doesnt attract ANYTHING, it displaces.
Field lines? You dont even know the definition of "FIELD" , ergo you cannot even use the term.
"atomic tightening" ROFL!!!!!!! Magnetism is SPATIAL , is CENTRIFUGAL, is RADIATIVE
Magnetism brings NOTHING "TOGETHER" son, Dielectricity does. ROFL !!! ;D
Electrons? Sorry, no pixie dust discharge particles. ;D
Idiot, when the power goes OUT on the power lines........when it comes back on the LINES ARE PUSHED APART........ thats due to magnetism , child.
Increase the voltage (dielectric) and the lines come TOGETHER. Wise the hell up.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 05:05:01 PM
If he or others actually KNEW what the term "polarized" actually MEANS and IMPLIES, .........
people always confuse "magnetic polarization" and "polarized fields" and ALWAYS what the hell "polarization" MEANS ;D
Regardless of what two different people call what is happening or the words they use to describe it
the effect still happens,
that cannot be changed. If I want to I can say the magnets are first pushed apart then when moved closer together they both
pull to the iron. People will know what I mean which is the purpose of language.
..
Quote from: Farmhand on July 28, 2014, 07:53:20 PM
Regardless of what two different people call what is happening or the words they use to describe it the effect still happens,
that cannot be changed. If I want to I can say the magnets are first pushed apart then when moved closer together they both
pull to the iron. People will know what I mean which is the purpose of language.
Obviously yes, that is the case, there are 100000000 devices that run or use magnets, but not a single idiot who invented X that knows what a magnet IS or HOW/WHY it works.
USING X, and understanding X have nothing to do with each other in most cases.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 12:00:48 AM
of the Tattoed Genius's
Here is what is up, demon seed. First you accuse me about lying about my dead wife,
in which I pounced on your ass with a mountain of PROOF proving you're trash.Heres the "tattoo" scene you keep mentioning.
My close and dear friend,...... named
Kiven (not Kevin) Warner became a famous tattoo artist........ he was diagnosed with lymph node cancer and melanoma.
He knew he had a death sentence, ..... lots of skin grafts etc etc. .........To remember him by, I had him do some nature scenes on me so I could remember him.
It was my request of a "farewell card" from my best friend for me to remember him by.
want PROOF??
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/kentucky/obituary.aspx?pid=15436958
Now, pedal your arse down the road
TA, you left out the part where he basically accused you of being a criminal by implication.
Regards...
And copied below is where the douche bag Tinsh!t Koala troll accused me of being a liar...and my redponse.
Re: A pair of Very Imoprtant Web Sites (http://www.overunity.com/14799/a-pair-of-very-imoprtant-web-sites/msg411846/#msg411846)
Quote from: Tinsh!tKoala on July 28, 2014, 07:08:43 AM (http://www.overunity.com/14799/a-pair-of-very-imoprtant-web-sites/msg411823/#msg411823)
My full name and contact details are known to several members of this forum and they are welcome to conduct any background checks they like on me and to report the results as long as they respect my privacy by not posting my personal details on the forum. And the incident to which you refer was simply me posting the TOP RESULT from a Google search of the Tattoed Genius's publicly posted name. And you will notice that as soon as I reminded him that his expensive lawyers would see the _whole thread_, including the sum total of his abuse, libels and insulting behavior... he shut right up about lawyers, didn't he. So you can take your bogus strawman ad-hominem trolling lying abuse and stuff it where the "son" don't shine, SON.
First, lets dispense with this lawyer paper dragon business that has been put up.
The cowardly troll never actually came right out said Theo A/Ken was a criminal...he simply implies he was.
BIG difference in the court of slanderous accusations...which all who employ these low ball tactics are very well aware of.
So, now we are in a situation where when this troglodyte troll is is simply held to the standard he himself set, he responds with an unproven and outlandish accusation that I am a liar.
Such an extreme reaction makes me even more suspicious of this trolls past.
And unless this creep can demonstrate (provide proof that I indeed AM a Liar, then the only conclusion left is the
HE in fact is a
LIAR...a has really left himself wide open for a slander lawsuit this time.
This POS closed by referring to me as SON.
Well, I would like to happily report there that there is absolutely no genetic connection whatsoever, or any other type for that matter, between myself and this vile troll.
Regards..."
Where is the vortex ??? I have read all the data you put up but no vortex ???? There is no death !!! energy converts remember !!! Don't worry about being a criminal a bird stole my peanut sandwich I called the police hahaha Its not easy living in a world of selfish divided people no unity among humans no sharing and men just cant get along without killing each other .. So where is the vortex ??????????? Also memory magnetic memory its connection to evp and bacteria and a virus there a lot more to magnetism than a stupid magnet ... Your wife is alive now I know why you are so grumpy ! A spirit guide made contact with me a few years ago as the sun was rising she spoke to me in real time proper conservation It lasted a few days than nothing since . There are many kingdoms some are very dark make sure you lighten up see the butterfly in everything help who you can and become all that is good .... We earn our ticket into the next world !
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 28, 2014, 10:08:15 PM
TA, you left out the part where he basically you of being a criminal by implication.
Regards..."
Its no worries, some people are just warts on the ass of life.
Its their duty to define the contrast between nobility and agnosis.
Kenny:
To answer your questions:
>>> NOW, tell us HOW and WHY this "boundary" "KNOWS" how to immediately SHIFT when two magnets are brought together. (YOU CANNOT)
I am assuming that you are talking about two bar magnets in attraction. There never was any boundary in the first place so there is no shifting.
>>> NOW, tell us WHY this "boundary" is ONLY created from induction?
For this question I will assume the setup is this, the one with the real Bloch wall: [N----S] [iron bar] [S---N]
In that setup there are two very very weak magnetic fields in opposition at either end of the iron bar. The closer you get to the center of the bar the weaker the fields get. Around the center of the bar there is a Bloch wall but the magnetic fields in the center are almost nonexistent there because of the flux cancellation. So I suppose you could say that there is a very weak Bloch wall there.
>>> NOW, tell us HOW this "boundary" equalizes due to pressure gradients? (YOU CANNOT)
Forget about the fantastical term "pressure gradients." The real variables are the flux density and the total amount of magnetic flux. With the [N----S] [iron bar] [S---N] setup, the two fluxes essentially cancel each other out in the iron bar. You actually would have to precisely match the flux contribution from either magnet to actually have a Bloch wall in the center of the iron bar. A slight excess of flux from one magnet over the other would move the Bloch wall further away from the stronger flux source.
>>> NOW, tell us WHY there is ZERO MAGNETIC "ATTRACTION" AT THIS so-called "BOUNDARY" (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif) (YOU CANNOT)
If you are referring to [N----S] [iron bar] [S---N] then there is almost zero attraction if you do an imaginary slice through the iron bar where the Bloch wall is located.
>>> Its all a "magnet" right? Why is there NO "attraction" at the boundary? ROFL (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/shocked.gif)
No net flux means there is no attraction. On the other hand, if you do an imaginary slice through this [N---S] then there is "attraction" inside the magnet.
>>> Ok, so a "magnet" is "POLARIZED" ehhhh?? So what the FUCK is creating the polarization?(http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif)? (Hint, is that dielectric inertial plane CONCENTRATED [[[[[[not IN.........CONCENTRATED]]]] at the middle).
The polarization comes from the fact that the outer electrons act as current loops and they are all moving in the same direction. Therefore the current loops have magnetic moments that are all pointed in the same direction. That is the polarization. It all stems from the very first clip I linked to, "The magnetic field from a moving point charge." In fact everything that you have been discussing stems from this. A magnet is just a bunch of moving point charges that are generating magnetic moments, a.k.a. little tiny toroidal fields. Or you can say it's bunch of current loops. The main point being that all of your fantastic and crazy terms are all just flotsam and jetsam - everything you are discussing stems from understanding that a moving point charge creates a magnetic field, and a moving point charge that moves in a circle creates a tiny magnetic moment. That is at the foundation of all of the blather. In theory all that you need to understand is this, and then all of the macro effects that you see from playing with magnets can be deduced by starting from this basic fundamental point.
You can sum it all up like this:
Moving point charge -> magnetic field
Point charge moving in a circle (eg: electron) -> Magnetic moment
Magnetic fields -> Vector addition
That's really the foundation of it all. It's all just trillions and trillions of little magnetic dipoles adding together.
There is no "dielectric inertial plane" for a single electron moving in a circle. Therefore, there is no "dielectric inertial plane" for a magnet.
This is all that there really is: a moving point charge creates a magnetic field.
We have the technology, we have the mathematical formula that actually tells us the magnitude and the direction for the magnetic field generated by a moving point charge for any location in 3D space.
That is ALL THERE IS. You are on a wild goose chase.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
To answer your questions:
I am assuming that you are talking about two bar magnets in attraction. There never was any boundary in the first place so there is no shifting.
SORRY, I SAID ANSWER.........not baseless statement.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
. Around the center of the bar there is a Bloch wall but the magnetic fields in the center are almost nonexistent there because of the flux cancellation. So I suppose you could say that there is a very weak Bloch wall there.
Sorry, no descriptions ALLOWED, only EXPLANATIONS (you have none)
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
Forget about the fantastical term "pressure gradients." The real variables are the flux density and the total amount of magnetic flux. With the [N----S] [iron bar] [S---N] setup, the two fluxes essentially cancel each other out in the iron bar. You actually would have to precisely match the flux contribution from either magnet to actually have a Bloch wall in the center of the iron bar. A slight excess of flux from one magnet over the other would move the Bloch wall further away from the stronger flux source.
FLUX of what moron? Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*Fields *~*What bloch wall? (DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE) ........1 PAGE AGO YOU SAID IT DIDN'T EXIST ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You said one thing only 12 hours ago, NOW something wholly different!!!
Asked you 20 pages ago to define FIELD, ......since they have NOTHING to do with particles, you are afraid of that word.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
If you are referring to [N----S] [iron bar] [S---N] then there is almost zero attraction if you do an imaginary slice through the iron bar where the Bloch wall is located.
LOCATED? I never said it was LOCATED THERE dummy, I said it was CONCENTRATED THERE due to magneto-dielectric mutual repulsion in a conjugate binding system
CONCENTRATED AT is not = LOCATED AT . pathetic.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
No net flux means there is no attraction. On the other hand, if you do an imaginary slice through this [N---S] then there is "attraction" inside the magnet.
You cannot do ANY kind of slice, and "find" either magnetism NOR the dielectric inertial plane moron,
they are FIELDS,..........FIELDS ARE NOT found in particles NOR "slices"
ROFL!!!
Here, have an
imaginary slice of mud pie. Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
The polarization comes from the fact that the outer electrons
Electrons dont exist, and FIELDS are not particles............
EVEN THE INSANE idiots in Quantum dont claim fields are particles ROFL !!!!! My goodness, you're so gnorant.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
act as current loops and they are all moving in the same direction. Therefore the current loops have magnetic moments
Current loops eh? That would require you to DEFINE A FIELD, which contain no particles, Pathetic .
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
Moving point charge -> magnetic field
Magnetism doesnt move in a circle, moron, it moves in a pair of reciprocating vortex , convergent and divergent.
You cannot define the word FIELD, as such, you cannot employ it.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
That's really the foundation of it all. It's all just trillions and trillions of little magnetic dipoles adding together.
Sorry, asshole, but magnetism is (as Maxwell, and Tesla, and Faraday state) the BYPRODUCT, the radiation, the "FIELD OF DIELECTRICITY"
But, I guess you think yourself wiser than then? ROFL !!!
Magnetism is a DISCHARGE, you fucking idiot, Ever heard of "electricity TERMINATING as/into MAGNETISM" ?????????? Guess what is "dumping" / radiating MAGNETISM???? Thats right dummy, Dielectricity.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
There is no "dielectric inertial plane" for a single electron moving in a circle. Therefore, there is no "dielectric inertial plane" for a magnet.
Nice claim, try again. Bullshit not accepted here.
This is all that there really is: a moving point charge creates a magnetic field.
Points dont exist moron, you have to make a line to make a point, and you have to make a point to draw a line.
POINTS!!!!!!! ;D ;DI know that BS fallacy of Quantum VERY VERY WELL
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
We have the technology, we have the mathematical formula that actually tells us the magnitude and the direction for the magnetic field generated by a moving point charge for any location in 3D space
What technology, you havent invented shit,
you are NOT studied in Tesla, Faraday, Maxwell, Steinmentz, nor Heaviside ;D ;DNo son, you have jack shit statements, illogical bullshit, and no patents, no evidence, NO LOGIC, no proof, NOTHING, Absolutely nothing.
Your pathetic sacred cow is made out of plaster and gold paint....., go wimper in the corner.
You dont even know that magnetism is the TERMINATION of either dielectricity OR electricity
Did you FUCKING THINK
magnetism is causing magnetism????????????? demented :o :o :o
Honestly, I have to say "holy fucking shit" , pardon to others.
I see how your system works, magnetism is causing magnetism in a "magnet" OMFG ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
. Around the center of the bar there is a Bloch wall but the magnetic fields in the center are almost nonexistent there because of the flux cancellation. So I suppose you could say that there is a very weak Bloch wall there.
Is that so? Let me quote you from few hours ago , you INCONSISTENT ASSHOLE>>
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
Quote from: MileHigh on Today at 12:59:44 AM
Repeat: There is no bloody Bloch wall in the center of a bar magnet, nor some "dielectric inertial plane."
;D ;D ;D
How, honestly, did you get so delusional???
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 28, 2014, 11:51:44 PM
What technology
Magnetic force microscope, Kerr-effect laser microscopy, and spin polarized neutron tomography come to mind...
Jeez, this feels like a "Great Turkey Shoot."
QuoteFLUX of what moron? Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields
And you try to claim that you have studied magnetism for 20 years? "The medium is the message."
You really stumbled there.
QuoteIs that so? Let me quote you from few hours ago , you INCONSISTENT ASSHOLE>>
Lat time I looked an "iron bar" was not the same thing as a "bar magnet."
You are just too intense! Have another coffee!
Picowatt, we are not worthy!!! lol
Quote from: MileHigh on July 29, 2014, 12:02:07 AM
Lat time I looked an "iron bar" was not the same thing as a "bar magnet."
You are just too intense! Have another coffee!
Last time I looked, I can TURN an "iron bar" into a bar magnet
A: without touching it
B: without any damn particles.
You are just too stupid, go take your pills. ;D
In magnetized iron created from mere magnetic induction, there is dielectric coherence only.
in a strong magnet created from discharge coils, there is enormous dielectric capacitance AND coherency.
No! You are the bozo because you didn't see that I was talking about two different things! And you can't admit it because you would have a system crash.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 29, 2014, 12:06:59 AM
No! You are the bozo because you didn't see that I was talking about two different things!
Lets see about that BS:Quote from: MileHigh on Today at 04:52:26 AM
. Around the center of the bar there is a Bloch wall but the magnetic fields in the center are almost nonexistent there because of the flux cancellation. So I suppose you could say that there is a very weak Bloch wall there.
Quote from: MileHigh on Today at 12:59:44 AM
Repeat: There is no bloody Bloch wall in the center of a bar magnet, nor some "dielectric inertial plane."
Yup, you're a lying worm
Any, by the goddamn way,
it doesnt matter if its a SPHERE magnet, BAR magnet, CONE magnet,......CYLINDER magnet.............its the SAME,
the DIELECTRICITY which terminates INTO MAGNETISM (hence the fucking "magnet), has (THEY ALL DO, EVERY MAGNET ON EARTH) a dielectric inertial plane, or your so-called "Bloch wall"
You know WHY ITS CALLED A BLOCH WALL asshole???????
Because it was DISCOVERED, the phenomena, they couldn't EXPLAIN IT.................so they NAMED THE PHENOMENA.
end of story. Pictured below, the dielectric inertial plane and the vortex on a pole.........BUT, YOU WILL NEVER SEE THIS, .......(because you dont experiment, you dont do shit but flap your lips like a monkey)
last shot shows counter-voidance, or what you humans call "repulsion"
Crash dump:
<<<
For this question I will assume the setup is this, the one with the real Bloch wall: [N----S] [iron bar] [S---N]
In that setup there are two very very weak magnetic fields in opposition at either end of the iron bar. The closer you get to the center of the bar the weaker the fields get. Around the center of the bar there is a Bloch wall but the magnetic fields in the center are almost nonexistent there because of the flux cancellation. So I suppose you could say that there is a very weak Bloch wall there.
>>>
It's all just too fantastical that there are people like this!
Quote from: picowatt on July 29, 2014, 12:01:40 AM
Magnetic force microscope
dielectric imaging from magnetic induction.
Proving WHAT again?
Quote from: MileHigh on July 29, 2014, 12:20:18 AM
In that setup there are two very very weak magnetic fields in opposition at either end of the iron bar. The closer you get to the center of the bar the weaker the fields get. Around the center of the bar there is a Bloch wall but the magnetic fields in the center are almost nonexistent there because of the flux cancellation. So I suppose you could say that there is a very weak Bloch wall there.
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It's all just too fantastical that there are people like this!
Whats in opposition moron? :o :D
MAGNETISM is the termination of EITHER dielectricity OR electricityTesla said this
Faraday said this "the dielectric field.......radiation"
Steinmetz said this
Heaviside said this
JC Maxwell said this.Here you are again claiming the "baby gave birth to the baby" ............Magnetism comes LAST, moron. what is "driving a "magnet"...." is not MAGNTISM, fool.
So, youre full of rarified bullshit.
FIELDS???????? What field? Fields arent particles, and arent induced BY particles.
Its NEAT how you leave out ALL THE FIELDS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE PHYSICAL MASS/MAGNET/OBJECT.................. hows that shit working for your "theory"
MASS FREE CAPACITANCE and/or INDUCTION ;D
I assume you heard of this new shit called "wireless power induction THRU A VACUUM" ????? (not new at all).
Energy (grasp this moron) is a MASS FREE phenomena, having ONLY TO DO WITH FIELDS.
Go back to grade school.
Electricity is utterly a mass-free phenomena, as mentioned by many including Dr. Wilhelm Reich in his "Cosmic
Superimposition". Mass has no logical or theoretical place in electrical units and all particle-based conceptions of it are impossible
It's all just too fantastical that there are people as DUMB as this.
TA,
The reason for mentioning magnetic force microscopy, Kerr-effect laser microscopy, and spin polarized neutron tomography is that using these techniques, scientists have been able to map and view the internal magnetic domains as well as the external 3D field surrounding a magnet. To date, there is no evidence that I am aware of from these technologies that indicate that the fields exist as vortices or that there exists the proposed centripetal and centrifugal constructs. Although this is not necessarily "ultimate proof" one way or the other, it does weigh heavily against the existence of the proposed vortices and constructs.
It seems that interesting field lines and intricate patterns are only apparent when attempts are made to view a magnetic field using a large number of anything ranging from nanoparticles to iron filings, for example, that respond in someway to the magnetic field. Owing to their response to the field and their large numbers, they both modify the field and additionally cause intricate alignments to occur between themselves. Although these alignments produce interesting patterns, it seems unlikely that these methods would produce a more accurate depiction of the true nature or structure of a magnetic field than far less invasive techniques such as Kerr-effect laser microscopy and spin polarized neutron tomography.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 29, 2014, 02:41:03 AM
To date, there is no evidence that I am aware of from these technologies that indicate that the fields exist as vortices
At that level, I wouldnt expect any capacity to "see" same. This is why my MONSTER 6" NEO is such a great teaching tool.
Quote from: picowatt on July 29, 2014, 02:41:03 AM
It seems that interesting field lines and intricate patterns are only apparent when attempts are made to view a magnetic field using a large number of anything ranging from nanoparticles to iron filings, for example, that respond in someway to the magnetic field. Owing to their response to the field and their large numbers, they both modify the field and additionally cause intricate alignments to occur between themselves. Although these alignments produce interesting patterns, it seems unlikely that these methods would produce a more accurate depiction of the true nature or structure of a magnetic field than far less invasive techniques such as Kerr-effect laser microscopy and spin polarized neutron tomography.
Polarization by DEFINITION necessitates mutual reciprocation along lowest Ether-pressure gradients and along with gyromagnetic precession necessitats ONLY the "vortex"
You are forgetting, a VORTEX is just a mediation from the radiation that magnetism IS, ....magnetism is the byproduct OF another, of dielectricity.
Look at folded paper below, its ALL STRAIGHT LINES..........spatial polarization creates this spatial ILLUSION of a "vortex"
Nature doesnt "DO" straight lines. Thats because spatial pressure mediation is vortex in reciprocation.
That and more pics from tonight
Quote from: tinman on July 28, 2014, 09:02:09 AM
Next weekend,i am going to set up my HHO cell,and run the test again using only gas-no electric current-just to see what happens.
I'm going to utilise a Kelvin water dropper generator to accumulate negative charges in one container and positive charges in another container. In this way, we can also eliminate the gas and any objections of the rising bubbles itself contributing to the formation of a vortex. Hope I don't get in trouble with TA for using the terms "positive and negative charges", lol.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 29, 2014, 03:27:19 AM
for using the terms "positive and negative charges", lol.
Negative charge...... hmm, thats like "hot ice" :o
To say there is a "negative charge" is like saying a barren woman is pregnant.
discharge/ radiation is the termination of charge.
UPDATE: Mother nature just called me, she said she never created a negative charge, she figured humans would have got that fact.
So, does this mean a ball thrown in the air (charge) is a diff. than the same ball that falls back? (discharge). ;D
Only 2 things discharge, dielectricity and electricity. They discharge in the creation of polarization (=space = radiation = magnitude)
(radioactive particle discharges are still due to dielectricity and dis-equilibrium in unstable isotopes and atoms)
You call it whatever you want.
TA,
No one is saying nature has to do ANY lines, let alone straight ones. But again, I believe the current state of the art regarding neutron tomography does not support your vortex concepts. If vectors are present that would support the idea of vortices, I believe the state of the art sufficient to produce evidence of them.
Posting more pictures of interesting patterns produced using methods discussed in my previous post where a multitude of particles of "something" that responds to a magnetic field are used as a proxy to view that field will likely do little to diminish the position presented in my previous post. But, as I said, neither your techniques or the less invasive ones mentioned, represent what I would call "ultimate proof", although I do believe it logical to expect that the less invasive techniques may be more accurate.
Also, why do you post the remote charging technology as in screenshot 1897? Is this somehow supposed to support your theories? Keep in mind that those technologies are being developed by "dumb" (as you say) engineers using technologies, electronics, and the related math that follows our present day understandings. I see that as at least or more so supportive of our present models than as support for some new theory regarding the nature of anything.
PW
Quote from: gravityblock on July 29, 2014, 03:27:19 AM
I'm going to utilise a Kelvin water dropper generator to accumulate negative charges in one container and positive charges in another container. In this way, we can also eliminate the gas and any objections of the rising bubbles itself contributing to the formation of a vortex. Hope I don't get in trouble with TA for using the terms "positive and negative charges", lol.
Gravock
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 29, 2014, 03:34:23 AM
To say there is a "negative charge" is like saying a barren woman is pregnant.
discharge/ radiation is the termination of charge.
UPDATE: Mother nature just called me, she said she never created a negative charge, she figured humans would have got that fact.
So, does this mean a ball thrown in the air (charge) is a diff. than the same ball that falls back? (discharge). ;D
Only 2 things discharge, dielectricity and electricity. They discharge in the creation of polarization (=space = radiation = magnitude)
You call it whatever you want.
It appears I got in trouble, LOL!
Gravock
Quote from: picowatt on July 29, 2014, 03:36:03 AM
But again, I believe the current state of the art regarding neutron tomography does not support your vortex concepts.
They arent my concepts, son, theyre evident in 14 diff testing medium. Lasers, ferrocells, suspensions, bismuth dust, charge graphite, dielectric fields etc etc etc etc.
strawman fallacy there
Your example is like using a monkey to disprove the existence of snow.
Quote from: picowatt on July 29, 2014, 03:36:03 AM
Also, why do you post the remote charging technology as in screenshot 1897? Is this somehow supposed to support your theories?
No, it means ENERGY doesn't have SHIT to do with particles. I would have thought you would have gathered that obvious premise. ::)
TA,
Seriously youngster, I am not your "son". There is no need for you to become condescending, disrespectful, and start using bold type. It comes off as a childish temper tantrum. Grow up...
I have looked at the evidence and methods you present as "proof" of a vortex, and see uncontrolled variables, deductive flaws, or proxies that modify the field under test. Although some are interesting and may be worthy of further consideration, I do not see anything yet presented as "ultimate proof" of a vortex.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 29, 2014, 04:14:42 AM
I have looked at the evidence and methods you present as "proof" of a vortex, and see uncontrolled variables, deductive flaws, or proxies that modify the field under test. Although some are interesting and may be worthy of further consideration, I do not see anything yet presented as "ultimate proof" of a vortex.
Well, you are what we call "thick". Was that an insult? In a roundabout way. But it was a statement of about your incapacity for non-linear thought and intuitive AGNOSIS that magnetism is radiation. But thats typical of most humans.
Since you dont understand (forgetting about the magnet for a minute) what magnetism IS, definitionally as a FIELD , and what attributes it has, or what it is , then, of course you cannot and dont grasp it.
But that fault lay at YOUR feet, not mine. But, I dont play the sophistry or skepticism game.
Anyone can make correct observations and draw wrong conclusions. However the magnetic vortex is THERE, 100%.
But I already told you above a vortex is just a curvilinear straight line of radiation reciprocation
But maybe your mind cannot wrap itself around that fact. "variables" is crypto-skeptical slang for "doesnt prove anything (to me)" Well, as stated, results MATTER, and I have the results.
There are 3 devices I not mentioned on any of these posts proving same.
But I care about patent right, and (dont take it personal) dont give a damn about what you think feel or believe on the matter. Suggest you dont play the doubting Thomas game like HighOnX does. But do as you will. I didnt come here (as stated) to convince anyone of a single damn thing ;D ;D
Those with a brain and two eyes can and will see it, those who are 'blind', so to say, wont. Couldn't give a damn either way.
But a mountain of proof against your "I still dont believe it
"............those two dont pass thru the same gate. However I love a good debate (not argument), and anyone who wants to debate it,.. I can and will pound them mercilessly. ;D
[[[a debate is not an argument]]]
However again, I have some Greek translations to do, more testing of new gear, experiments, and a 3rd edition. Just busy as hell.
I'll be using these magnets in my upcoming experiments.
Gravock
TIME TO BUY A PIZZA TOMORROW TO CELEBRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOO HOOOOO MAJOR DISCOVERY TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!! using multiple LED frequencies (R G B) to create white light ONLY ALONG THE DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE with "X DEVICE) !!
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AND.................I CAN ONLY CREATE ONE COLOR ON ONE POLE AT ONE TIME, S IS GREEN, THEN N IS BLUE ;D ;D
IF N IS GREEN, THEN S IS BLUE
etc etc
RGB colors exactly all spaced evenly at exact same locations around the cell.
Using magnetic deflection of LIGHT to prove CW and CCW vortex spin EM deflection!!!!!!!!!!!! AND, RGB concentration (looks like a rainbow) / WHITE LIGHT ONLY ALONG THE DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE
Proves my entire theory and is a (@*&$( COFFIN NAIL!!!!!
(too bad I dont drink, or I would have a drink tonight!!!) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(will post pictures later)
Nobody on earth has EVER SEEN THIS BEFORE! ;)
Interesting pictures How do you make the image ?????? The lines of force cross over yet do not up set the geometry ????? I don't think those lines are the true magnetic lines to me there something else ! You are not seeing a magnetic picture its impossible like that ! These pictures of another force and If you don't mind there a particle field of some kind ???? To me they are a mono pole set of particles or they will not set up like in the picture ... You can isolate mono poles with ferrite ring magnets but you need to fill them up with water and heat to 80c the temperature of permeability for electrons ...
ARE YOU APSOLUTLY CERTIN THESE PICTURES ARE REAL ????????????
ME
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 29, 2014, 07:26:05 AM
ARE YOU APSOLUTLY CERTIN THESE PICTURES ARE REAL ????????????
100% certain
SEE HERE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJzECLIVTYI
FIRST TIME ON EARTH ANYONE HAS SEEN THIS DISCOVERY. PROVES:A: THE MISSING NATURE AND GEOMETRY OF LIGHT AS I WROTE ABOUT IN MY BOOK
B: PROVES CW AND CCW SPIN AND CENTRIPETAL CONVERGENCE BY USING RGB SEPARATION FOR DIFFERENTIATING CENTRIPETAL, CENTRIFUGAL, AND THE DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE
its OVER WITH, end of story. Don't believe it , DONT CARE
>>>>>>>I only have to PROVE IT, not convince closed-minded skeptical internet trash<<<<<<<
IT IS OVER. This is my 15th METHOD OF PROOF
It this were a TRIAL and I had to argue my position,
it would be already LONG OVER. ;D
Each little LED emmits R or G , or B, . or combos OR "WHITE" (all 3 at once)
The magnetism and dielectricity SPLITS them up AT EACH POLE depending on CW or CCW vortex....., and TOGETHER at the inertial plane AND at centriPETAL !!!
ITS "OVER"
I remembered I had this program to play with interlinked rings... was going to use it to model the fields to get a better image of the interactions of a SEG... It does show some similarties with a ferrocell trace.
(a copy of the software, not easy to use)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B812EYiKwtkkWHZJcXRXVVZqNkk/
Navigation keys.... very rough general documentation of this type of app
https://code.google.com/p/c-system-abstraction-component-gui/wiki/dekwarewhatis (https://code.google.com/p/c-system-abstraction-component-gui/wiki/dekwarewhatis)
The first 4 sliders control various pitches of the circles plotted... one of the first 3 sliders must be in a non zero position, otherwise there is no resulting normal for the ring.
On edge it doesn't really match, however the ferrocell is showing a slice inside; tried to watch recent videos in slow motion to catch the transitions better to see if the CW/CCW curve intersections are both associated with the top or one actually evolves from the other side. Especially during the transition to the side. Would be helpful to see various levels of approach.... (like 1", 3/4", 1/2", 1/4" .... ) since the only spot that you really allow to evolve into a image is 0" away from the surface... plus the thickness of the glass of the cell.
I tried once upon a time to make a ferrocell but it failed miserably... poor material choice - the glass for picture frames is too thin; or my fluid is too thick maybe..
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the clip of on-edge is actually just one copied and mirrored. The top view is a single side.
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Edit: am curios of the 3 (4?) leds.. are blue/green somewhat below the fluid plane? And red above? they can't all be exactly on the plane....
Edit2: I guess the mating bowls should be inversed... but then there's missing data in the middle...
Edit 3: stubmled on daniel nunez's POE coils making spiral patterns in plain viewing film... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRNNbglaXA4 (shrug) it's just the field around the windings
Quote from: d3x0r on July 29, 2014, 08:16:58 AM
Edit: am curios of the 3 (4?) leds.. are blue/green somewhat below the fluid plane? And red above? they can't all be exactly on the plane....
See video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJzECLIVTYI
Each POLE is diff. color due to inverse spin, and RGB at the center AND centripetal due to dielectricity.
As mentioned in the book, last section, the missing LINK of ALL light/ electromagnetism is a
RADIAL Z-axis DIELECTRIC
This fact:
A; gets rid of the 'wave particle duality" BS
B: DESTROYS the conclusions about the Photo-electric effect. The TINY LED below emits all 3 colors at once, .....or only R, or G, or B, or combos for diff. colors. the video shows "white" light only, all 3 colors being emitted.
A ring of them is being used in the video.
We have another device using 3-5 lasers, modulator, beam splitter and few special lenses and are showing COMPLETE MAGNETIC / DIELECTRIC field dynamics The results are stunningly beautiful, not to mention educational. Applications are quite a few.
Device is being sought for a patent.
Ken
Thanks for sharing this discovery with the rest of us. It's a privilege to be able to see this with you.
You state from 8:08-8:20 that, "this proves that light is not electromagnetic in its entirety, but that it also has a Z axis radial dielectric." For me this is a stunning statement whose implications will shift horizons. Would you care to elaborate on what it means?
If you need to wait, I'll understand.
Thanks for sharing your work.
Bob
Yes all 3 colors are emitted at once, but from 3 distinct points, since they are 3 distinct LEDs. The package has 6 pins to trigger Red LED, Green LED and Blue LED.
the 3(4?) was because there are some that have a white/yellow LED also to increaase the quality of white... but I see now. yours are more like the 3 LED models.
"There are three LEDs inside, red green and blue and because they are so close together, they mix very nicely, without the need for a diffuser. The LED is also insanely bright, at a eyeball-blistering 3800mcd." They would 'mix nicely' from a distance, but with a micrometer thickness the separation can become significant.
And there is a degree of diffusion to it... most of them look like they have a hazy plastic over them... but the light does come from 3 distinct points... actually looks more like 4 areas for 1 and 3 areas for the other... looks like the white bar is directly over the brightest part which makes them be more diffused.
.... and a visual demonstration of what I meant by pleating the LED strip.
Quote from: Bob Smith on July 29, 2014, 09:20:01 AM
You state from 8:08-8:20 that, "this proves that light is not electromagnetic in its entirety, but that it also has a Z axis radial dielectric." For me this is a stunning statement whose implications will shift horizons. Would you care to elaborate on what it means?
thats in the last chapter of the book, I only gave a brief yet full detailed explaination of same with the intent of expanding that portion.
It means
A: wave particle duality is resolved
B: the explanation of the photoelectric effect is pure BS
It explains the comments from Dr. Oleg Jefimenkos formulas PROVING that E and M cannot be "mutually inducing each other......its IMPOSSIBLE"
on and on and on.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 29, 2014, 09:22:27 AM
"There are three LEDs inside, red green and blue and because they are so close together, they mix very nicely, without the need for a diffuser.
I thought of that bout hour ago and used a translucent diffuser Film
same effect, exactly. ;D
Theyre so insanely BRIGHT, you cannot distinguish RGB ,
except as you SEE IN THE VIDEO, at an angle as projected into the lensthe lenses on the edge are ALREADY unpolished / frosted and diffuse the light anyway.
The effects are full circle confirmation. THAT along with my friends invention which (as I have been instructed not to talk about) will rock the world on its edge. Ive seen the device in action, its rather "STAR TREK" on its "wow" factor.
Wish I had thought of it ;D
The light coming from 3 points less than 1mm apart cannot explain the pic below, there is a RING of 9 of these RGB LEDs. ;)
Did I mention that beast 6" magnet hurts my eyes and face when stooped over it and testing it???? :o
Thanks Ken
Trying to read, re-read and assimilate...
All the best,
Bob
Ok You don't write like you sound ? Its hard to take you for real when you are a hot head and I don't offer the real me until I see something of interest to my work ! We have the real SEG technology and MY WORK IS ON THE COSMIC OCTIVE dark matter and dimensional physics along with other important work! I want to send you something but not here and just keep it to you ! Its the unified field as a unified field oscillator a real one full detail of the inner workings of a proton and its connection interstellar radiation . The rest is harmonic charts of the cosmic octave and its connection to the periodic table as a set of frequencies within light and sound time and space ... You will see a connection to gravity as a set of frequencies in the cosmic octave that relate to all mass in the 93 elements of the periodic table . I say 93 elements as we include negative hydrogen and draw a connection to our distance to the sun at 93 000 000 miles . MILES is imperial kilometres metric and you should use that when working with light ... The unified field oscillator or as we call it THE UFO TECHNOLOGY ! Is very important you will see a connection to your work with this and I must state its a close replica to the NASA secret ufo frottage of the so called tether incident ! UNLIMITED POWER ! So be carful with that there is some information to add but that has to be via an NDA like how to switch it on .......................
Also you should see that we are bombarded by alpha particles coming up from the core of the planet and these will follow magnetic lines and also dark matter is trapped between the earths magnetic field lines l The thing with gravity is the 2.2 degrees curve and this has a connection with an electron at 2.2 trillionths the size of its atomic nuclei ! The bigger the nuclei the bigger the electron ! And the electron can be split into 2 for now we call it X Y ......... X AND Y has an interesting geometry very similar to your pictures ! Don't get to excited about discovering things or trying to bang peoples heads to be leave in what you have found or you will get a bad name and people will avoid you ... CERN will be interested in your work to me you are seeing the geometry of an electron that is new and very important work ... You may see it in another light a different point of view if we were all the same the world would be very boring ! The most important thing is what can be learnt and what practical applications does it have ?
Gravity is for us the target and we want full control of it not just something we don't fully understand also your work may give insight of how to deflect certain types of radiation that is very important for space in fact it may also have some medical application to train radiation in cancer therapy ! LOOK DEEPER ! CALM DOWN ! DONT BE RUDE OR HEAVY MINDED JUST KEEP COOL !
You state the dielectric plain and dielectric inert Shia we need to see your visual of that ??????? Also think baby black holes they could be everywhere ??????? Paranormal activity has a connection to your work open up to it !!! its very important !!!
Please email me
0.ATOMMIX@GMAIL.COM
These are kinda sexy... 144 LEDs/meter (1/6.94mm)http://www.adafruit.com/product/1506
Some code required
and a 7A 5V power supply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SmCY0JifsE#t=217
I am building one of your reflectors or one that is different and will only use green light as the frequency will rise the electron as in your system ! You did state the electron does not exist this is where you are wrong, very wrong !!!!! Any way there seems to be something here that may have an important use !!!! Sorry if we don't see what you do and hope you don't mind others making it useful applications . Some times things evolve and become something totally different .. Many thanks !!!
ME
The way it seems to me is that few have the integrity to own up to the fact
that they were educated down an incorrect path and would rather not discuss it.
That speaks volumes for itself!!
EDUCATION ? WHAT IS THAT ? Does it glow or bounce get hot or cold move around jump fly no ? Knowledge is fact over fiction not a degree in out of date off the shelf do as you are told and follow the sheep routines ... Or oh look at ma I went to so and so and learnt this and that and wow I got an A+ THAN 50 YEARS LATTER THE RULES OF PHYSICS CHANGE AND THE OLD BOOKS ARE NO MORE THAN A PILE OF RUBISH ... ! If you want to believe that a particle does not exist or have a problem that it does and than it does not and is in fact it is in infinite flux than good luck .......................................
Its mot where you learn or what you learn its what you do with what you have learned ! A discovery is what ? something they have found but what is it ???? Refraction ? space curvature ? the dielectric plain ? Dielectric inertia ? NOT IN MY BOOK HAHAHA ! BUT THATS ME ! I only see what I see a path of photons that are doing something I have not seen before that's all I see .....................................
We are all different !!! But what I see is also a very useful tool if it works the way I want it to ??? I am only interested in what I can do with it not ANOTHER NEW THEORY OF SOMEONES DREAM STATE DUALITY ! I would like to probe deeper into the geometry of the electron but the invention here claims that the electron does not exist that's up to him ! All I can see is that the surface electrons are rising interacting with a magnetic field and changing the path of the photons ... That's what I see !!! Its a new kind of prism and if radiation can be influenced to travel a chosen path set up be the device it has some use ..... But the inventor has no I dear of particle physics or want to that's ok with me hahahahahahahah
The refraction here is very interesting but the attempt to change the laws of modem physics is a bit of a joke hahahahahahah and the inventor will soon lose he's invention even if it is a refracted image of a surface electron hahahahah wowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowoowowowowowo
Thanks I now claim to see what is truly there not a new world of physics hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahah lol thanks xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Quote from: Bob Smith on July 29, 2014, 11:04:01 AM
Thanks Ken
Trying to read, re-read and assimilate...
All the best,
Bob
The entire magnet system is forcing one pole to be "painted" either RED, or GREEN
>>>>>>>>>ALSO why NO POLE is BLUE, because the wavelength is so short.......blue is only at the point of MAX dielectric attraction!!blue has higher dielectric capacitance as I state at the end of the book!!
which is WHY IT IS NOT at either pole! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: camelherder49 on July 29, 2014, 03:07:42 PM
The way it seems to me is that few have the integrity to own up to the fact
that they were educated down an incorrect path and would rather not discuss it.
That speaks volumes for itself!!
Experiments SPEAK VOLUMES!!!!!! ;D ;DIll explain that in the video tonight, its because of inverse CW and CCW spin
The entire magnet system is forcing one pole to be "painted" either RED, or GREEN
WHY IS NO POLE BLUE???????!!!!!!!!!!! because the wavelength is so short.......blue is only at the point of MAX dielectric attraction!!
.....................................>>>blue has higher dielectric capacitance as I state at the end of the book!!
which is WHY IT IS NOT at either pole!
ONLY RED AND GREEN
Now I have a MOUNTAIN of experiments proving BOTH my theories of:
A: the FULL nature of a magnet
B: the FULL and correct nature of light, which is NOT wholly Electromagnetic, but has a radial Z-axis dielectric
Electromagnetism ONLY cannot, could NOT, could NEVER EVER explain light/ EM ..............It is 100% impossible. ;D ;D
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 29, 2014, 03:33:49 PM
changing the path of the photons
The so-called PHOTON was and is just a misunderstanding of the nature of light, which has a Z-axis radial dielectric component
Ive known this for years now, and NOW have 6 diff. testing methods to PROVE THIS
AND, my friend up north, has a patent on a device PROVING THIS 100%, he will reveal it to the world in October,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>he has a website dedicated to this new invention of his that will utterly
REVOLUTIONIZE one part of the world!!!!!!!!!He has 8 patents to his name.
Dipolar Axial Compression permanent magnet motor comes to mind suddenly ... not necessarily based on your last post but it came to mind ;)
WHAT YOU FOUND IS ELECTRON GEOMETRIX RESONENCE !!!
You are getting lost in to much data but that's up to you ! Forget the photons and all that theory rubbish ! WE ARE THE BEST PARTICLE ANALISISE TEMA ON THE PLANET SON HAHAH ! and wow what a discovery you have ... I have not spoken to you before so just be a wear of that . Kinetic interactions are set up with surface electrons that have no spin in the magnetic field lenses and refraction is creating vectors that are different to the atomic bonds in the material . The light is rising the surface electrons causing them to change the path of light ! In simple terms you are taking a picture of an electron surface and it has been enlarged out over the lenses by refraction ...
You are getting lost in your new theory of photons and electrons they exist as fluctuations in the same way as fluctuation energy over the fabric of space ! If electrons or photons did not exist your device would not work . Duality and the photoelectric effect still stands firm ! Charge the surface electrons and the geometric positions will change would you like a prediction on them ?
Regards
King Monkey
Wake up son ! its time to see reality ! How about a nice 3D hologram with more definition than your mobile smart phone ! You need to except the zero point field and its the very medium that photons are made of and see it as we all do here a sea of particles so small that there infinite number can never be calculated . How many times can you divide a particle of mass until there is no mass !Its endless never ending ... If you did achieve a void and you would need the energy of a black hole to do that the universe would very quickly close it with such force you would create another big bang .
Photons are waves and tiny particles like little bubbles and are very real as they do have mass and spin ! Electrons are different only by the way they depend on a nuclei to exist ! One proton is one KW of pure electrical energy and holds the electron by capacitance . Electrons do not orbit there nuclei by rather fluctuate around it like a cloud .... WAKE UP SON !!! YOUR TECHNOLOGY WILL NEVER DEVELOP IF YOU DONT GRASP THE ZERO POINT FIELD OK ....
You want to change the laws of physics without understanding them that son is an insult to all intelligence and to that WE WILL RESPOND BY CREATING A HOLAGRAME TO PROVE IT JUST SO YOU CAN SEE YOUR IMAGE IN 3D AND WATCH THE TEARS ROLE DOWN INTO THE EMPTY VOID YOU CALL DUALITY ............ LISTEN VERY CARFULY IF YOU DONT EXCEPT THE LAWS OF QUANTUM MACHANICS IN 48 HOURS TIME YOU WILL NEVER GET CLOSE TO DEVELOPING THAT TECHNOLOGY AND HISTORY WILL BE WRITTEN PROVEING THAT YOU SON ARE THE WORLDS BIGEST IDIOT THAT EVER TRIED TO CLIMB DOWN A TREE TO PLAY WITH A MAGNET ....
WE THE UNKNOWN HAVE READ ALL THE CRAP YOU HAVE WRITTEN AND HAVE TAKEN NOTE OF ALL THE INSULTS YOU SPIT OUT AND NOW CHALLANGE YOU !!!!! EXCEPT REALITY ASAP !!!! OR OUR ATENTION TO THE SAID DEVICE WILL BECOME A 24/7 MULTI BILLION POUND OWNERSHIP CONCERN ........... ALL PROFITS MADE GIVEN TO NEURON RESEARCH TO HELP FIND A CURE FOR YOUR MESSD UP BRAIN .... DENY THE PHOTON AND ELECTRON AGAIN AND WATCH OUR RESPONCE ........... INSULT US OR ANY OTHER SCIENTIST IN THE RESEARCH OF THE ZERO POINT FIELD AND WE WILL TAKE YOU TO COURT FOR $20 000 000 . . . ,.
US
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 29, 2014, 07:52:07 PM
You are getting lost in your new theory of photons and electrons they exist as fluctuations
I DENY electrons and photons son. So , BS on that nonsense. The concept of the "PHOTON" is / was a misunderstanding of the radial dielectric component of LIGHT/ EM
Mother nature called, she doesnt "DO" particles, son, .......its all FIELDS, CHARGE-DISCHARGE, DIVERGENT-CONVERGENT, CIRCULAR-RADIAL
She also told me to tell everyone she never created a NEGATIVE CHARGE, only discharge. Ive made 2 GIANT discoveries today alone, just in the past 10 hours, heads are rolling and the phone is already off the hook from "REAL PEOPLE"
Time to celebrate,.....
...then back to making new videos on EVEN NEVER things NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN BEFORE...
....EVERStudy the chart below, and learn it, THAT is how nature works. PERIOD.
I'd be careful here TA...this guyz got who knowz how many imaginary people backing him up.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 29, 2014, 10:26:29 PM
I'd be careful here TA...this guyz got who knowz how many imaginary people backing him up.
Regards...
Thats NOTHING, you should read the endless private messages he sends me. ;D No joke, GENUINE insanity.
9th dimension this, Jesus-light that, just mad as a March hare. ;D
I have videos tonight and tomorrow that will (or should) knock some people on their ass.
New discoveries
Last night's discovery was INCREDIBLE, Ive had 3 heavyweights call me to talk about it today
This comes as no surprise to me, he made his debut here last year as 'atom x' I believe with similar ravings of boundless energy devices which we were too primitive to use responsibly, and millions of mice in his pocket which he would unleash upon all who doubted him...or words to that effect.
Great laffs all around during a lull in forum activity.
Regards...
SINGLE CHANNEL laser divergence 635NM from dielectricity and centrifugal magnetism
SNAPSHOTS ONLY
Ever consider that the nature of the iron in the ferrofluid absobs blue, and only transmits red/green? It looks like brown when smeared thin on a surface, brown is just dark yellow, and yellow is composite of red and green reflected and no blue from white light.
http://www.wikihow.com/Mix-Paint-Colors-to-Make-Brown (http://www.wikihow.com/Mix-Paint-Colors-to-Make-Brown)
While it is true that blue can be used...
"Mix complimentary colors together. When you look at the color wheel, the complimentary colors are the ones directly opposite one another on the wheel. The complementary colors are blue and orange, red and green, and yellow and purple. Mixing any of these pairs will create shades of brown that differ slightly from one another."
It is obvious from the evidence of experimentation that's not the case.
https://ferrofluid.ferrotec.com/index.php?id=audioFluid&vfp_id=126 (https://ferrofluid.ferrotec.com/index.php?id=audioFluid&vfp_id=126)
"Black-brown fluid"
This particular product is Magnetite: 3-15 % by volume (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetite).. Black, gray with brownish tint in reflected sun.
Or in any graphics program... mixing larger red with small green and no blue yields brown. Light to dark brown is by increasing X red and Y green; until you approach white which starts to add blue, but it's not a light brown.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 30, 2014, 12:42:10 AM
Ever consider that the nature of the iron in the ferrofluid absobs blue, and only transmits red/green?
A: I thought of that some time ago before last nights discovery by using ONLY a magnets dielectric inertial plane and seeing blue absorption
USING NO IRON NANOPARTICLE solutions.I thought of that first thing in experimenting with dielectric voidance when writing about the true nature of light / EM
B: There is PLENTY OF BLUE LIGHT in the ferrofluid ,
but ONLY at the dielectric inertial You didnt watch the video close enough
Your premise IN NO WAY explains ONE POLE being GREEN, the OTHER REDand the DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE having ALL 3 (easy to see).
LEDs are evenly spaced, and all emitting RGB ;D
Quote from: d3x0r on July 30, 2014, 12:42:10 AM
I already got confirmation to double check from another friend with 8 patents, and much expertise.
HE REPORTS:::::
You're right about blue. I've made a few tests using my spectrometer and see the blue and shorter is mostly absorbed.
This thing even eats blue laser to the point where it barely gets through. Now red is another story altogether- pretty resonant at those wavelengths.
warning slightly off topic but worth the read
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 29, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
Wake up son ! its time to see reality ! How about a nice 3D hologram with more definition than your mobile smart phone ! You need to except the zero point field and its the very medium that photons are made of and see it as we all do here a sea of particles so small that there infinite number can never be calculated . How many times can you divide a particle of mass until there is no mass !Its endless never ending ... If you did achieve a void and you would need the energy of a black hole to do that the universe would very quickly close it with such force you would create another big bang .
Photons are waves and tiny particles like little bubbles and are very real as they do have mass and spin ! Electrons are different only by the way they depend on a nuclei to exist ! One proton is one KW of pure electrical energy and holds the electron by capacitance . Electrons do not orbit there nuclei by rather fluctuate around it like a cloud .... WAKE UP SON !!! YOUR TECHNOLOGY WILL NEVER DEVELOP IF YOU DONT GRASP THE ZERO POINT FIELD OK ....
You want to change the laws of physics without understanding them that son is an insult to all intelligence and to that WE WILL RESPOND BY CREATING A HOLAGRAME TO PROVE IT JUST SO YOU CAN SEE YOUR IMAGE IN 3D AND WATCH THE TEARS ROLE DOWN INTO THE EMPTY VOID YOU CALL DUALITY ............ LISTEN VERY CARFULY IF YOU DONT EXCEPT THE LAWS OF QUANTUM MACHANICS IN 48 HOURS TIME YOU WILL NEVER GET CLOSE TO DEVELOPING THAT TECHNOLOGY AND HISTORY WILL BE WRITTEN PROVEING THAT YOU SON ARE THE WORLDS BIGEST IDIOT THAT EVER TRIED TO CLIMB DOWN A TREE TO PLAY WITH A MAGNET ....
WE THE UNKNOWN HAVE READ ALL THE CRAP YOU HAVE WRITTEN AND HAVE TAKEN NOTE OF ALL THE INSULTS YOU SPIT OUT AND NOW CHALLANGE YOU !!!!! EXCEPT REALITY ASAP !!!! OR OUR ATENTION TO THE SAID DEVICE WILL BECOME A 24/7 MULTI BILLION POUND OWNERSHIP CONCERN ........... ALL PROFITS MADE GIVEN TO NEURON RESEARCH TO HELP FIND A CURE FOR YOUR MESSD UP BRAIN .... DENY THE PHOTON AND ELECTRON AGAIN AND WATCH OUR RESPONCE ........... INSULT US OR ANY OTHER SCIENTIST IN THE RESEARCH OF THE ZERO POINT FIELD AND WE WILL TAKE YOU TO COURT FOR $20 000 000 . . . ,.
US
this was intended for tinsel koala but didn't have time to finish and post it. so it's for him and it's for you especially as threats don't fly here even if it's not against me. dedicating this to you both
You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As they say in Texas. I'll bet you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with
instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.
You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad,
a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.
You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth
into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and
then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done. I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same
species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformation. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid
you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?
Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop
will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.
You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to
fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea
of your own trite, foolish beliefs. You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting.
You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention
and lost in a land that reality forgot.
And what meaning do you expect your delusional self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do
you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle,
waiting for the bite of the snake? You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and
obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a
disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meat slapper
On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You
are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.
You smarmy lager lout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oink artless base-court apple-john. You clouted
boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You
cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted
fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill. You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are
degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away.
I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond
the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far
that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on
Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll.
Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure
essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is
an epiphany of stupid for me. The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped
away most of what you wrote, because, well... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful.
I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have
learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take
for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these
things more difficult. If I had known that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right".
Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a
demand on you.
P.S.:
You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent,
opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged,
imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic,
spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative,
paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive,
dim, crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive,
mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good.
I can read that in my head with a rap beat. Gangsta Magnah is in the underground clubs.
new pics
Quote from: MileHigh on July 30, 2014, 01:33:00 AM
I can read that in my head with a rap beat. Gangsta Magnah is in the underground clubs.
congrats
Zero respect just dropped to NEGATIVE -5
Negative -10 would be around the range of Lizzy Bordon or Charles Manson
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 30, 2014, 12:58:28 AM
A: I thought of that some time ago before last nights discovery by using ONLY a magnets dielectric inertial plane and seeing blue absorption USING NO IRON NANOPARTICLE solutions.
I thought of that first thing in experimenting with dielectric voidance when writing about the true nature of light / EM
B: There is PLENTY OF BLUE LIGHT in the ferrofluid , but ONLY at the dielectric inertial
You didnt watch the video close enough
Your premise IN NO WAY explains ONE POLE being GREEN, the OTHER RED
and the DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE having ALL 3 (easy to see).
LEDs are evenly spaced, and all emitting RGB ;D
Are you actually stating that you believe the magnetic field is directly influencing the trajectory of the blue light in your "A" statement above in a visible fashion? Will you be doing further experiments to test that claim?
Regarding your ferrocell videos, to make the claims that you do (particularly regarding the blue wavelength) without first considering or testing for the effects of common optical phenomena such as Rayleigh scattering, which is highly wavelength dependent (and the reason the sky is blue), the effective blaze angles created by your magnetically aligned nano-particles, the refractive indices of the cell materials, cell cavity dimensions, the magnetically aligned/clumped particle density and clump dimensions, light source incident angles and positions relative to the cavity plane, etc, is just bad science.
Is this typical of all your experiments? You do a few tests and as soon as you see a result that you can "spin" to somehow support your theory, you look no further for any alternate explanations for those results? It speaks poorly of all the experimental evidence you have thus far presented.
You are using ferro nano-particles as a proxy to view the magnetic field. Those particles align to both the magnetic field of the magnet and as well, they align to there now magnetized neighboring particles (the misleading iron filings test on steroids). Intricate patterns, clump sizes and particle angles are formed and you then reflect light off of those particles. The three wavelengths of light used reflect off the nano-particles in a wavelength dependent fashion based upon the variables mentioned in the paragraph above, with "clump" size, particle spacing, scattering, and effective blaze angle likely the most wavelength dependent variables encountered.
A blind man often "sees" more than the sighted man wearing blinders, who sees only that which he wishes to see...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 03:30:42 AM
Are you actually stating that you believe the magnetic field is directly influencing the trajectory of the blue light in your "A" statement above in a visible fashion? Will you be doing further experiments to test that claim?
Yes, Absolutely. I had already proven that with our 3 channel lasers 635NM Red, a green, and a blue, and a UV (dangerous bastard laser, hate wearing those orange goggles).
Further? Yes, yes and yes.
It just proves my premise I came up with quite a long time ago PIC BELOW
I already got confirmation to double check from another friend with 8 patents, and much expertise.
***********
HE REPORTS TODAY VIA EMAIL>>>>>>>>>>>>:::::You're right about blue. I've made a few tests using my spectrometer and see the blue and shorter is mostly absorbed.
This thing even eats blue laser to the point where it barely gets through. Now red is another story altogether- pretty resonant at those wavelengths.
**********
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 03:30:42 AM
Regarding your ferrocell videos, to make the claims that you do (particularly regarding the blue wavelength) without first considering or testing for the effects of common optical phenomena such as Rayleigh scattering, which is highly wavelength dependent (and the reason the sky is blue), the effective blaze angles created by your magnetically aligned nano-particles, the refractive indices of the cell materials, cell cavity dimensions, the magnetically aligned/clumped particle density and clump dimensions, light source incident angles and positions relative to the cavity plane, etc, is just bad science.
Yes, well, its TOO BAD your pet theory there kinda leaves out the fact that MAGNET (the dielectric plane of same) and LASER ONLY (no ferrocell) causes blue wavelength laser absorption (AS ALSO DOUBLE CHECKED BY MY FRIEND ABOVE)
<<<<<<
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 03:30:42 AM
Is this typical of all your experiments? You do a few tests and as soon as you see a result that you can "spin" to somehow support your theory, you look no further for any alternate explanations for those results? It speaks poorly of all the experimental evidence you have thus far presented.
I STATED ALREADY I HAD 5 EXPERIMENTS TO PROVE THIS..........THIS MAKES 6
MY FRIENDS INVENTION WHICH HE HAS A PATENT ON (absolutely AMAZING invention) MAKES 7. When the world see his DEVICE, it will "change everything" regarding communication
Its just (pardon) "THAT FUCKING STUNNING OF AN INVENTION"
I wished I invented it ;D ;D ;D
Its over , I WON, END OF STORY,.......I dont have to CONVINCE anyone, only PROVE it, .....I have the 6 PROOFS, the evidence, ......... everyone else has 1. THEIR FLAPPING LIPS
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 03:30:42 AM
You are using ferro nano-particles as a proxy to view the magnetic field. Those particles align to both the magnetic field of the magnet and as well, they align to there now magnetized neighboring particles (the misleading iron filings test on steroids). Intricate patterns, clump sizes and particle angles are formed and you then reflect light off of those particles. The three wavelengths of light used reflect off the nano-particles in a wavelength dependent fashion based upon the variables mentioned in the paragraph above, with "clump" size, particle spacing, scattering, and effective blaze angle likely the most wavelength dependent variables encountered.
>>>>>>>>>>>double take>>>>>
Yes, well, its TOO BAD your pet theory there kinda leaves out the fact that MAGNET (the dielectric plane of same) and LASER ONLY (no ferrocell) causes blue wavelength laser absorption (AS ALSO DOUBLE CHECKED BY MY FRIEND ABOVE)
<<<<<<
..............................................Its OVER.
1. proving A
2. convincing skeptical "head in sand" peoples of A
I only give a damn about 1, and not a FLYING F*CK about #2 You're just upset that your
sacred cow and long held beliefs are turned upside down, thats normal, thats typical low-brow responses to discoveries.
MOST humans are guilty of this form of nonsense.
TA,
Your friend, that only has 8 patents, apparently confirms that, as expected, blue light is more strongly absorbed (or scattered).
As for visibly deflecting a beam of light passing thru a non-magnetic medium using a magnet. Sorry, not buying that one. You may be able to deflect a beam using a proxy such as particles or crystals that align to a magnetic field, and under the correct circumstances you can affect the polarization of a beam of light with a magnetic field, but I do not believe it possible to visibly deflect a beam of light directly with a magnet.
As for you "winning", you seem to think that by not addressing or investigating the points raised, or by using bold type, that you somehow "win". It matters not to me. In the end, it is only good science and truth that loses.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 04:22:47 AM
As for you "winning", you seem to think that by not addressing or investigating the points raised, or by using bold type, that you somehow "win". It matters not to me. In the end, it is only good science and truth that loses.
PW
I did address them, strawman FALLACY, I have other methods that dont have SHIT to do with ferrofluid.
The truth are the MANY experiments I have, the logic, the evidences.............
....and you have WHAT AGAIN????????? Yeah, thats right.The only ones LOSING are those flapping their gums rather than building and experimenting and investigating.
You, see, I used to debate your type, no offense, in other arenas, I know these sophistic tactics VERY WELL, I dont play the "redraw the line" fallacy.
Prove this......ok. Draw another line, prove that............ ok........ draw another line.
Lets put it this way, buddy, if this were a court of law, ...................... yes, thats right.
ITS OVER, period.
Proving X doesnt have SHIT to do with convincing someone of X. ;D ;D ;D
Sorry about your sacred cow
(no, Im not)
TA,
Although your methods of debate are quite obvious, science is not a debate...
Have a good one,
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 04:53:00 AM
TA,
Although your methods of debate are quite obvious, science is not a debate...
There are so many endless 1000s of books of science (so-called) debating each other
its as ENDLESS as the cosmos is wide
Pure 100% BS on that position , no offense.
Science has been a DEBATE since Plato, and LONG LONG LONG LONG before him.
If you dont know that, then you're paddling up the river De' Nile. ;D
I've excited a coil to resonance with enough energy to see the umbrella of blue and purple stuff come around over
the top from the top conductors and even an upside down umbrella shape of blue and purple stuff coming up from
the bottom to meet the one coming down.
The coil in the first picture was almost completely enveloped (my aim) before the coil experienced an insulation breakdown
near the middle, which it could not recover from. I missed the opportunity of a better picture wanting the full monty.
This coil was excited by the bigger second one. I didn't see any vortex type action in the umbrellas of blue and
purple stuff. It went directly over and down or under and up.
The second picture shows the blue and purple stuff spiraling on the conductor from the coil's to the sphere's but the spaced
conductors on the top two turns the blue and purple stuff seems to go in different directions, and no spiraling.
This coil is 40 turns about 380 mm diameter. It's trying to make an umbrella as well.
Just some fun/interesting tests before installing the thick top turn and proper extra coil. Now the coils don't leak except from
the top if I want.
..
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 30, 2014, 05:14:10 AM
There are so many endless 1000s of books of science (so-called) debating each other its as ENDLESS as the cosmos is wide
Pure 100% BS on that position , no offense.
Science has been a DEBATE since Plato, and LONG LONG LONG LONG before him.
Not the way you do it...
As for being able to visibly bend a beam of light with a magnet, "Pure 100% BS on that position , no offense."
PW
Quote from: Farmhand on July 30, 2014, 05:16:41 AM
I didn't see any vortex type action in the umbrellas
..
Lovely, but WHY would you be expecting to see a vortex off your coil?
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 05:30:32 AM
As for being able to visibly bend a beam of light with a magnet, "Pure 100% BS on that position , no offense."
PW
Listen up BOY, child, my contact today with 8 patents HAS done exactly THAT.
So have I.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He has a PATENT ALREADY ON HIS DEVICE. However HIS device uses an electromagnet
Guess what you demented idiot,.............
.HIS INVENTION, HIS PATENT ...............it TRUMPS your goddamn flapping lips
Do you goddamn GET THAT FACT?
Why dont you tell the US FUCKING PATENT OFFICE that granted him a patent that his device DOES NOT WORK..........
Now you sound like that stinking vile POS HighonMiles. I assure you 100% FUCKING GODDDAMN PERCENT you absolutely CAN bend a laser with a magnet or electromagnet.
Your words..............VS. my EMPIRICAL FUCKING PROOF and HIS PATENT
Which of those two is worth EVERYTHING, and which ISNT WORTH SHIT????
(hint: the former isnt worth SHIT)
THE PATENTED DEVICE (his) PICTURED BELOW..........BENDING A LASER
.................................NOW, >>>>>>> EAT SH*T <<<<<<<<
............................Yes, it is PATENTED...........NO, IT DOES NOT USE ANY MIRRORS
Next time you say something "DOESNT EXIST"............you better FUCKING MAKE 100% CERTAIN OF THAT
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 05:30:32 AM
Not the way you do it...
As for being able to visibly bend a beam of light with a magnet, "Pure 100% BS on that position , no offense."
PW
Let me ask you an IMPORTANT question, mental midget WHO taught you that your flapping goddamn lips were either
EQUAL TO or SUPERIOR TO empirical proof to the contrary?
Where did you LEARN that at?
You should find that teacher that taught you that and slap the SHIT out of him or her.
I wonder if there's ever been a feeble minded employee at a
patent office?
John.
Quote from: minnie on July 30, 2014, 07:50:51 AM
I wonder if there's ever been a feeble minded employee at a
patent office?
John.
certainly far more here on this forum than in the patent office.
ratio of 100 to 1, or close to same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_effect
Rotation:
nounnoun:
rotation; plural noun:
rotationsthe action of rotating around an axis or center."the moon moves in the same direction as the earth's rotation"
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Bending:
verbgerund or present participle:
bending1. shape or force (something straight) into a curve or angle."the rising wind bent the long grass"
| synonyms: | curve (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+curve&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCAQ_SowAA), angle (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+angle&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCEQ_SowAA), hook (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+hook&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCIQ_SowAA), bow (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+bow&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCMQ_SowAA), arch (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+arch&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCQQ_SowAA), flex (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+flex&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCUQ_SowAA), crook (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+crook&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCYQ_SowAA), hump (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+hump&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCcQ_SowAA), warp (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+warp&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCgQ_SowAA), contort (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+contort&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCkQ_SowAA), distort (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+distort&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCoQ_SowAA), deform (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=Y9o&channel=fs&q=define+deform&sa=X&ei=nODYU8elK8O2yATwl4GwDQ&ved=0CCsQ_SowAA) |
Edit: @TK darn was too slow in my research :p
@all
Yes of course bending light can be done with a magnetic field... on a CRT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kt_npcIFlA) is a direct effect on photons not non-existant electrons... this is just information the rest of the world thinks in terms of... that real light doesn't bend in a magnetic or coulomb field.
Bending light with a magnet[ic field]
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=282656&page=1 (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=282656&page=1) (summary information follows)
Light IS rotated in polarization along a magnetic field
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_rotator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_rotator)
other application- for mapping individual domains on a surface; really a variation of faraday rotator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto-optic_Kerr_effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto-optic_Kerr_effect)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeman_effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeman_effect)
"is the effect of splitting a spectral line into several components in the presence of a static magnetic field" But it doesn't change directionally.
There is a scattering of high energy gamma rays by atomic nuclei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delbr%C3%BCck_scattering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delbr%C3%BCck_scattering) but this is all large heavy particles, and high energy EM waves... but basically the photon splits into an electron/positron pair which are then able to be affected by a magnetic field and then recombine to a photon. (and yes we already know this can't happen because there is no electron/positron - just quoting what others say)
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I had originally read(understood) that the 'faraday lens' which was light passing through a medium could be bent by a magnetic field... but it's really the polarization that's bent not the direction.
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But I am interested in any other evidence that the last 150 years of science missed. IE; don't shoot the messanger.
You'd think that the photons... or whatever they are... that makes up the light from all these distant galaxies would be more spread out and difficult to focus, since all of it has gone through many many magnetic fields of ridiculous strength in order to get to here.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 08:47:16 AM
You'd think that the photons... or whatever they are... that makes up the light from all these distant galaxies would be more spread out and difficult to focus, since all of it has gone through many many magnetic fields of ridiculous strength in order to get to here.
One could argue the same of gravity fields...
Einstein rings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_ring)
Which someone at the electric universe said didn't exist...
Imagine....
http://pesn.com/2010/09/11/9501701_TWM_gets_patent_on_OU_electromagnetic_motor/
Not bad for someone who doesn't believe in overunity or free energy. Or did I get the wrong Kenny Wheeler again? It's a common name.
http://www.rexresearch.com/wheeler-twm/wheeler.htm
http://www.google.com/patents/US7868514
Help me out here. I've searched patent databases for "Ken Wheeler", "Kenneth L. Wheeler", "Kenny Wheeler" etc and this is the only issued patent I can find, except for the wall panels and the posture chairs for fat people.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 09:25:48 AM
Imagine....
http://pesn.com/2010/09/11/9501701_TWM_gets_patent_on_OU_electromagnetic_motor/ (http://pesn.com/2010/09/11/9501701_TWM_gets_patent_on_OU_electromagnetic_motor/)
Not bad for someone who doesn't believe in overunity or free energy. Or did I get the wrong Kenny Wheeler again? It's a common name.
http://www.rexresearch.com/wheeler-twm/wheeler.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/wheeler-twm/wheeler.htm)
http://www.google.com/patents/US7868514 (http://www.google.com/patents/US7868514)
Help me out here. I've searched patent databases for "Ken Wheeler", "Kenneth L. Wheeler", "Kenny Wheeler" etc and this is the only issued patent I can find, except for the wall panels and the posture chairs for fat people.
The rex research link is tim wheeler...
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 05:30:32 AM
As for being able to visibly bend a beam of light with a magnet, "Pure 100% BS on that position , no offense."
PW
As light is EM wave's,a magnetic field could indeed distort the EM wave's. But as light itself is not visible,you wouldnt see the distortion. Only what the light(EM waves) reflect off can be seen. A beam of light in a vacuum, shining at right angles to the observer, cannot be
seen,until the EM wave's hit an object that has mass,and some amount of reflective properties. An example of visible light being bent or curved,can be seen by shining a torch into a swiming pool-or the like's. Some where i remember reading about a group of science nerds,being able to get a pencil beam of light to curve around a corner,using magnets to distort the EM wave's-although it was only about 2.6* if i remember correctly. I will see if i can dig that up again. As gravity can slow down the speed of light,and even stop it if strong enough,it's not that hard to believe that a magnetic field can curve or distort light waves.
A photon has mass and spin and is a particle and a wave ! The particle is plucked out from the zero point field as the photon is created the spin of the photon is the same as the graviton with 2 vectors 90 degrees to is centre of gravity ! I have just been attacked by a megalomaniac psychopath here and he's remarks have been sent to my legal team ! The idiot who claims that photons and electrons don't exists and bully's with discussing remarks will have to eat logic first before making such claims ! Tin man has confirmed that light has been altered in the same way many times before so any half backed claim of discovery is now in the bin ........
So back to the vortex !!! Tin man made a device that would spin a magnet in water and did so in a very professional manner and displayed a door of opportunity to develop a magnetic vortex as the magnetic can receive a charge in a 3 dimensional flow of an induced field . I would wonder what would happen if the magnet was to spin in the opposite direction at the same rate prior to the charge being sent .... Its kinetic counter influence could for a fraction of a second set up a magnetic vortex ......... I will give it a try !!! I will also use photons to detect any such vortex being made ......
When claims are made one must expect that others will look and measure them and often will find a different set of results but when the one that makes the claims is confronted with reality that was not concluded in the original test they should listen respectfully to the information provided ... A simple message to the bully play ground little people here some of us are real scientist's and respect the laws that govern the universe we don't try endlessly to re invent them that is a pointless endeavour .... In fact those that keep attacking the laws only underline and indorse them in such a way as to remind us scientists the importance of such laws ..... There are far to many that seek power and fame from the abuse of science at least Tin man is not one of them .......
Message to Tin man ! The 93rd element is a group of 93 scientists I being negative hydrogen and claim it as the 93 element but I am open to any counter claims AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND AND POLITE MOMENT OF TRUTH THAT YOU SHARE EVERY TIME YOU SPEAK YOU SIR ARE A REAL KNOCK ON THE DOOR OF REALITY WE THANK YOU !
To the one who has written such a sickening display of evil we sir have you firmly in our sights and would like to offer you a chance to apologise or you will forever be known as the one to which proves that science in the wrong hands is a very dangerous moment for all humanity ... May the PHOTON LIVE AND THE ELECTRON BE ITS LOVEING PARTNER IN ALL INFINITY .........
Regards
93rd element
This thread is the state of the art in pseudoscience!
Joe is an Old Salt. Salt dissolves in water. Therefore Joe dissolves in water.
Isn't it obvious?
Quote from: tinman on July 30, 2014, 09:56:06 AM
As light is EM wave's,a magnetic field could indeed distort the EM wave's. But as light itself is not visible,you wouldnt see the distortion. Only what the light(EM waves) reflect off can be seen. A beam of light in a vacuum, shining at right angles to the observer, cannot be
seen,until the EM wave's hit an object that has mass,and some amount of reflective properties. An example of visible light being bent or curved,can be seen by shining a torch into a swiming pool-or the like's. Some where i remember reading about a group of science nerds,being able to get a pencil beam of light to curve around a corner,using magnets to distort the EM wave's-although it was only about 2.6* if i remember correctly. I will see if i can dig that up again. As gravity can slow down the speed of light,and even stop it if strong enough,it's not that hard to believe that a magnetic field can curve or distort light waves.
Tinman,
There are indeed magneto-optic effects. Examples are the "Faraday effect", which relates to light passing thru a medium that changes in the presence of a magnetic field and the "magneto-optic Kerr effect", which relates to light reflecting off of a magnetized surface. Both the Faraday and Kerr effect relate to changes to the polarization of light.
The refractive index of some materials/fluids is polarization dependent, so it is possible to use the Faraday effect, for example, to cause the path of light to deflect/change when passing thru those materials in the presence of a magnetic field due to the change in polarization.
Magneto-optic Kerr effect laser microscopy is used, for example, to visualize the domain structures of magnetic materials by measuring the change to the polarization of a polarized laser beam reflected off a magnetized surface.
However, to suggest that light itself can be deflected by a magnetic field is a claim that in and of itself would be quite extraordinary. No light deflecting effects are observed in the typical 1.5T field of an MRI tunnel, nor has any such deflection been observed at field strengths in the tens of Tesla's of research magnets.
PW
93rdelement is english not your native language or are you just as stupid as the intellect sucking black hole i described? indorse is spelled endorse. loveing is spelled loving just to name a few basic words you can't get right. the only thing i'll apologize for is that you didn't see the humor in my extended copy and paste from the master insult list. it was a close fit for you anyway. and you really don't want to threaten me or anyone else here.
Tinsh!t Koala quote:
"Not bad for someone who doesn't believe in overunity or free energy. Or did I get the wrong Kenny Wheeler again? It's a common name. "
Whatta douche bag troll...that patent is from nearly a decade ago.
Back then I didn't know what a slanderous lying sack of Shi!t this shill is either.
Life is a learning curve...likely also subject to the influence of magnetic fields.
Regards...
Would it not bend if the particle that sits inside the photon is taken out ???? Its not if it will its a matter of how can it be achieved ? I except what is stated but I am a simple monkey that wants to see a magnetic vortex or at least make one .... But there are people here that will blast sickening attack if you except that the photon has mass or spin to which I know it does .. All this photo electric effect that keeps popping its ugly head up here in the realm of the magnetic vortex thread is clouding the observation of such a vortex and wow they do tend to be a heavy manipulating insulting bunch .....
The photon has mass and that mass comes from somewhere ! When a neutrino hits a proton it travels straight through and a 1000 photons are emitted from the proton yet the proton loses no mass ! So it is fair to say that the mass given to the photons comes from the zero point field of space not the proton ... A photon has spin or it wont bend forgive me for stating such a simple non sophisticated fact but that's what I see . Space time curvature can bend a photon because it is increasing the spin of the photon setting up more photons emitting from the effect a simple way to conserve the energy and keep the photon at a set energy along its path ...
Why complicate it ? The geometry now seen by the photons and magnetism still need a 3rd medium to cause the reaction to happen its a bit like tin mans spinning magnet in water but is not the showing anything but spin .... The photon spin is the same as the spinning magnet that is in water but the spin of the photon is imperial not metric there for it has a natural harmonic caused by its spin ... I set up a 0.01 mm nickel coil at 8ft in length and wound it around a 2.2 inch plastic tube wound as a spiral starting at 2.2 degrees it should not pass AC current but it does and if you place it in sun light its charge increases ... Try the same with a 3inch plastic pipe and the effect does not work !!! There for the photon has a spin angle vector at 2.2 degree's imperial .
The EMF around the coil is also 2.2 degrees imperial change the system and you get nothing ...... To me I see all attempts to make a magnetic vortex as pointless unless they are attempted and designed in imperial harmonic measurements ! If a magnetic field is created at 2.2 degrees from its centre than there would be a good chance to develop a magnetic vortex as it would be in a coherent phase of angle with the fabric of space offering no resistance to the magnetic field ....
There are no magnets made with a 2.2 degree's O D curve ! So the field will always be stuck to the magnet ! A bit like some of the egos here whom get stuck with academic mumbojumbo vodo science hahahahah The universe is a harmonic equation in imperial measurement's not metric ...
Regards
me
Quote from: d3x0r on July 30, 2014, 09:41:03 AM
The rex research link is tim wheeler...
Keep reading. Tim and Kenny both are on that patent as inventors.
But where are all of TA's other patents? What are the numbers please. Are we really talking about wall panels and posture chairs for fat people?
93rdelement you come in here threatening to sue theoria for $20 million for a few insults is what got you my insult tirade. if you can't handle some insults on the internet without threatening people you don't belong on the internet. calling me a psychopath in your pm's along with a lot of other foul mouth statements is rather hilarious when you are threatening good people here including the implication of a death threat against me. who is the psycopath here? didn't even bother reading your whole bs pm's.
at least milehigh got it. and you don't want to put your sights on me. i could tell you something about who i am but then that would come off like a threat and you aren't worth spit let alone worth threatening. grow up kid.
Quote from: d3x0r on July 30, 2014, 08:59:17 AM
One could argue the same of gravity fields...
Einstein rings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_ring)
Which someone at the electric universe said didn't exist...
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"Gravity fields" are DIELECTRIC fields, dielectricity terminates in the creation of matter particles, neutrons, and likewise after spinup, then are protons (beta decay, and inverse beta decay is only a BS way of declaring magnetic or dielectric dominance)
THE ONLY THING in the cosmos that makes mass/matter MASSIVE, is magnetism.
obviously and logically so.
dielectricity and gravity are centripetal for a good reason.
Quote from: tinman on July 30, 2014, 09:56:06 AM
As light is EM wave's,a magnetic field could indeed distort the EM wave's. But as light itself is not visible,you wouldnt see the distortion. Only what the light(EM waves) reflect off can be seen. A beam of light in a vacuum, shining at right angles to the observer, cannot be
seen,until the EM wave's hit an object that has mass,and some amount of reflective properties. An example of visible light being bent or curved,can be seen by shining a torch into a swiming pool-or the like's. Some where i remember reading about a group of science nerds,being able to get a pencil beam of light to curve around a corner,using magnets to distort the EM wave's-although it was only about 2.6* if i remember correctly. I will see if i can dig that up again. As gravity can slow down the speed of light,and even stop it if strong enough,it's not that hard to believe that a magnetic field can curve or distort light waves.
Picowatt EITHER thinks I FAKED these pictures, or they "dont exist" ROFL
AND that my friends PATENTED invention "doesnt exist" either.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 30, 2014, 12:37:57 PM
This thread is the state of the art in pseudoscience!
Your worthless flapping LIPS vs. experiment after experiment after experiment after experiment after experiment after experiment after
and the logic, and the proof.
W-O-R-T-H-L-E-S-S
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
Tinman,
However, to suggest that light itself can be deflected by a magnetic field is a claim that in and of itself would be quite extraordinary
No CLAIMS son,
FACTS, my friends PATENT....... etc. , ...... learn the difference.
I guess you THINK I FAKED this picture and 10,000 more like it?????? ROFL
I love how you people think your flapping lips are more valuable than proof and PATENTS ;D ;D
Lets see you buy that Big Mac and Soda next time with your LIPS
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 30, 2014, 01:11:50 PM
Tinsh!t Koala quote:
"Not bad for someone who doesn't believe in overunity or free energy
He is a vile POS is'nt he ....20 pages ago he claimed I invented my dead wifes 10 year slow death from cancer.....and I pounded him........,
but I believe in free energy, they do it ALL THE TIME in India and Brazil
See below
All these pictures mean nothing ! And its confirmed as a non invention its all been done before just another attempt to find purpose in the work of worthless heaps of junk .... If it does not do anything than its just a pretty light effect not a discovery .... Again the term electron geometric photonic emission sums it up but the inventor does not understand particle physics in fact he states that particles don't exist mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
mumbojumbo ooohhar ninconpooop rubbish ... No one is responding to him on the net so he's jamming up this thread in a pointless attempt to get some attention ! If its a great discovery go to a news channel publish it in a physics journal get a university to underwrite it as a discovery but he wont get anywhere so he is here ..... No photons hahahah no electrons hahahahah ok hahahahahah wow hahahahhaah and what about atoms ??? hahahah no they don't exist either its all a holographic universe hahaha its so funny I am to do a stand up comedy sketch on the weekend and will use the data in the sketch hahahahahha
WHO AM I ?????? I SIR AM THE ATOM THE ELECTRON THE PHOTON PURE CHEMISTRY NOW PLEASE GO AWAY AND START YOUR OWN THREAD ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH A MAGNETIC VORTEX ..... ITS A HOLAGRAME AND NOT A GOOD ONE !!!!!
REGARDS
REALITY
@TA right; cause magnets are the only thing that's in the path of the light....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhBZ1XtTwRQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhBZ1XtTwRQ) (big bang theory laser chess)
I started as a search for a nice complex 'mirror maze' or 'room of mirrors' but they were all pretty simple.
Thought about maybe a laser across a wave pool (laser wave pool, adding ripple didn't help) .... couldn't find such a thing either
in the ferrocell there's only a transparent substance (image 1) so density refraction can happen... (which there isn't, there's opaque magnetite particles)
http://dscript.org/electro-bubble-laser-light (http://dscript.org/electro-bubble-laser-light) (several videos of refracted laser light through saturated salt water)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_fiber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_fiber) (image 3) light through a fiber optic
Don't think that maybe the micro-particular magnetite forms reflective barriers?
Although the structure of such forms is definitely understudied (under publicized?).... like exactly how what are the formations formed when the ferrofluid is confined within a thin area? surely there's an equidistant behavior, since they will themselves be poled into like pole magnet arrangements with will want to repel each other (that which keeps the spikes on ferrofluid at a least distance from every other point)...
I did run across a ken wheeler copyrighted image in a google image search for something like 'laser ferrofluid cell'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpR3Cqd2Z9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpR3Cqd2Z9E) (ferrofluid in a electromagnetic field, backlit I think; not fantasic)
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last image is a holographic tube with a laser refracting the light within; couldn't back track to correct page was only linked to the front page
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another curiosity I had; if a particle is stimulated by a light, does it always have to reflect in a certain direction; or can it be more chaotic? I mean light on a wall doesn't go any specific way, it's what makes it 'ambient'... so in a thin film, can the reflected light actually go further into the film before reflecting back out?
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But in all these cases it's light acting with a substance, not a field.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 30, 2014, 03:10:50 PM
I guess you THINK I FAKED this picture and 10,000 more like it?????? ROFL
Not at all. But it is difficult to say exactly what the images depict without a more detailed description (possibly I missed that).
From just looking at them, one can deduce that a laser beam with interference fringes (likely from internal reflections in the beam forming/collimating optics) is being projected onto a surface. From the spread of the fringe rings, one can deduce that the beam is striking the surface at a fairly shallow angle. We then see what appears to be a somewhat granular pattern of reflections with a degree of curvature apparent.
No conclusions can be drawn looking at the image presented without knowing the exact optical alignment of the beam to the surface, but the pattern produced will be affected by the projected angle, beam shape, surface planarity, surface flatness, and surface specularity.
If the surface in the image is your large neo, a pressed, sintered, and plated neo is not going to have an optically flat surface. It would be reasonable to expect that the surface might be somewhat convex or concave from the manufacturing process (or both).
For this image to be considered as proof of something, there should at the least be additional evidence/control experiments such as an optical test of the surface flatness/profile of the neo and control experiments using a non-magnetic surface of similar optical flatness/profile (which might prove difficult to find). Alternately, you might consider using an independently supported thin piece of pure optical glass (possibly aluminized as well) as your reflecting surface and then, using good optical bench practices, repeat the test with and without the magnet behind (and not touching) the glass. However, given the weight of the large neo, the optics bench would need to be isolated from the neo supporting structure to ensure no deflection of the bench/glass due to the weight of the neo.
PW
Quote from: d3x0r on July 30, 2014, 04:43:43 PM
in the ferrocell there's only a transparent substance
Those laser pics above of mine
HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH FERROFLUID.
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 05:11:06 PM
No conclusions can be drawn looking at the image presented without knowing the exact optical alignment
that statement above of yours is PURE 100% UNFILTERED DIAMOND GRADE SOPHISTRY
"well, that proves nothing, because Captain asshole of the Institute of Bullshit-U wasnt there with his DickoMeter to measure the beam deflection.........and then it wasnt..........."
Sorry, but I am,
due to being a Greek translator and Platonist, an expert at seeing fallacious bullshit, and that is nothing more than
PURE LIP FLAPPING BULLSHIT. Evidence speaks volumes,
speaking is just that, lip flapping
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 05:11:06 PM
, there should at the least be additional evidence/control experiments
YET MORE PURE 100% UNFILTERED DIAMOND GRADE SOPHISTRY
pedal that sophistic bullshit down the road
Quote from: d3x0r on July 30, 2014, 04:43:43 PM
But in all these cases it's light acting with a substance, not a field.
Thats because light/ EM is not merely E and M, it has a Z axis radial dielectric component.
This is where the horseshit of wave-particle duality BS comes from
This is where the correct observations and results but WRONG CONCLUSIONS of the photoelectric effect came from (from that fucking idiot Einstein who reified SPACE as something that "did stuff")
Idiot humans think they have a FIRM GRASP on the principles of the universe,
but that is UTTER bullshit. ;D ;D
TA,
Are you seriously taking the position that if someone were to show you a laser beam projected onto a surface and claim it proves something, that the surface profile of that surface is meaningless or unimportant?
If I showed you a similar pattern produced without a magnetic field, would you not immediately be asking what the surface profile and geometry was?
No matter, continue with the personal attacks as if that somehow addresses or discusses any of the issues raised.
It does not...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 05:58:24 PM
TA,
Are you seriously taking the position that if someone were to show you a laser beam projected onto a surface and claim it proves something, that the surface profile of that surface is meaningless or unimportant?
If I showed you a similar pattern produced without a magnetic field, would you not immediately be asking what the surface profile and geometry was?
Yes,.....I am sure the
US PATENT OFFICE was on drugs when they gave my friend his
patent on his LASER SPLITTING DEVICE that uses ELECTROMAGNETS
Go write a book proving me wrong, better yet, go do the experiments yourself.
I present the evidence, you dont have to believe a DAMN THING...........
...case you forgot, Im not SELLING A DAMN THING
Stop the presses!!!! Kenny has "discovered" LASER speckle!
QuoteThe speckle effect is a result of the interference of many waves of the same frequency, having different phases and amplitudes, which add together to give a resultant wave whose amplitude, and therefore intensity, varies randomly. If each wave is modelled by a vector, then it can be seen that if a number of vectors with random angles are added together, the length of the resulting vector can be anything from zero to the sum of the individual vector lengths—a 2-dimensional random walk, sometimes known as a drunkard's walk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speckle_pattern
http://www.rp-photonics.com/speckle.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvhRQSmRe0c
Kenny has distorted speckles that make petty patterns because the beam presumably traverses through irregularly shaped glass or something similar. Just like I did in 1978!
He is a brilliant mind and the industry will take note. lol
Soon Kenny will go out like a Supernova and we will never see him again! This thread is high comedy, a spectator sport at this point in time. Kenny is the "Meatloaf" of the forum. A Gnat out of Hell.
TA,
Not saying this is the case here, but the US patent office has granted many useless patents that don't actually work. it is all about proving no interference with prior art, doing a legalese dance around the claims, and paying a fee. Is the number of patents one has been granted your new metric for intelligence?
I see no reason to doubt that your friend can modify a medium with an electromagnet such that it splits or steers a laser beam, etc.
But again, you reply as if what you say is somehow a response to the issues I raised, and again it is not.
Like you, I don't really care.
But addressing those issues or performing control experiments would indeed be good science...
PW
TA quote:
" Captain asshole of the Institute of Bullshit-U "
My good friend, world famous psychic Clare Voyant, an avid reader here, predicts that will be the next insult bastardization of my name among mindless trolls.
Thanks a lot TA !
Regards...
WOW HAHAHA AT LAST THE TRUTH YOUR NOT A HUNMAN HAHAHAH AND WOW WHAT A NICE PIC OF YOU THERE IS YOUR A DOG HAHAHAHAHAHAH TRY THE DUBBLE SPLIT EXSPERIMENT AND FIND DUALITY ........ !!! I CAN SEE WHY YOUR LOST IN YOUR HEAD !!! Why attack a very intelligent man who gave a perfect analysis in a language we can all understand ?? Is it envy that he understands the term hologram and that is all you are playing with ! Salt water a magnet and some light !!!
Now try your experiment without green light and don't forget blue will phase into green so make it a very light blue or sky blue either way the photon has a particle of mass and is agreed by Copenhagen where the conformation has been made and fully excepted , some of us respect science you don't your an idiot with an LED a magnet and some liquid ... TWIT !!!!
But a hologram is an interesting thing it also proves the mass and spin of a photon not the holographic universe that you live in ! You keep disrespecting intelligent people cant you see you got it all wrong and your love for the dielectric is an obsession truly only a mad man would keep banging on the same drum with the same beat every day of he's life . Why do you have a problem with mass and particles ? Just except them it will help you make a more interesting holograph ! hahahahahah stupid boy !!! Your stuck in the mud because you think the universe is made of nothing and that is impossible to prove take away everything and you have nothing to measure you would not exist now go play with a bone and bite yourself .
Where is your formula you don't have one and cant even try and put one together there for you have no claim and no way to make a claim !!! The geometry in some of your work is interesting and is simple to explain using the respected laws of physics not the ones you keep flapping about ...... GIVE IT UP SON HAHAHAH THATS YOUR EXSPERSION NOT MINE .....
Tel son if a photon does not exist or the electron how do you explain that ? All the data you have put together has no finite formula nothing not one number ?????????
electron geometric resonance EGR try again hahahahhaha derrrrrrrrrrr its a dingbongdillytwanny inapinohopenopyyummy zingbong fuyyy flapper hahahhahahahaha what is it son hahahahahahahah you complete mug !!!!!!! No wonder your here with your discovery no institution on earth will want anything to do wit you ....... Last chance dude in your own words produce the formula to fully explain what the hell your on about !!!! come on I cant wait to see what jibberish your going to come up with . but if it does make logical sense I will agree even if I am wrong .....
EXSPLAIN YOUR EMPTY SPACE HOLAGRAPHIC SELF IN JUST FORMULA ... ( ) ??????
YOURS TRULY
A particle physicist
Quote from: MileHigh on July 30, 2014, 06:16:43 PM
Stop the presses!!!! Kenny has "discovered" LASER speckle!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Laser_speckle.jpg/350px-Laser_speckle.jpg
My good friend, world famous psychic Clare Voyant, an avid reader here, says that is actually an MRI image of PiledHigh's brain.
Regards...
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 06:21:22 PM
TA,
US patent office has granted many useless patents that don't actually work.
PW
Nice premise, true in a few cases.
However his device WORKS, been proven to work, tested and tested again. Or, I presume you think his history of 8 patents is proof he yet another boob who created a device and got a patent on it BEFORE fully verifying that it works.
Yeah, no.
Using A to attempt to prove that B is X, fallacy.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 30, 2014, 06:16:43 PM
Stop the presses!!!! Kenny has "discovered" LASER speckle!
SORRY FOOL, ........but laser speckle is AS pictured below,
NOT the ones below it.Next .......... (idiot)
And these are only snapshots, not VIDEO
Quote from: MileHigh on July 30, 2014, 06:16:43 PM
HighforMiles pontificates.....
Lets see how you "explain" (=bullshit) the picture below.
Inventor of the LENS has stated IN REPLY "No, WE HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE, YOUR TESTING METHOD OF THIS TYPE IS THE FIRST WE HAVE EVER SEEN"
I love reading elaborate bullshit to explain things people dont understand, .........so lets hear your pet (BS) theory ;D
LASER SPECKELL ??????? WHAT HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE THE TRUTH ABOUT PATENTS 80% ARE CRAP ...... WELL MY LIFE IS INDEED A PARTICLE OF GREEN LIGHT . I AM NOT THE MOST SOPHISTICATED I EXCEPT THAT BUT I AM NOT SO STUPID TO BELEAVE IN A UNIVERSE WITHOUT MASS !!! WHAT AN ASSS Hahah well done mile high and the rest to find the help the man needs hahahahahah good luck lol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 30, 2014, 06:33:03 PM
Nice premise, true in a few cases.
However his device WORKS, been proven to work, tested and tested again. Or, I presume you think his history of 8 patents is proof he yet another boob who created a device and got a patent on it BEFORE fully verifying that it works.
Yeah, no.
Using A to attempt to prove that B is X, fallacy.
I said or did no such thing as in your response. I only mentioned the patent issue because I was wondering why you feel the need to constantly bring up patents, as if that proves something or is a metric for intelligence, it does not and is not.
Again, you continue to address nothing related to the issues raised. That's OK, no matter...
My unedited previous post follows:
Quote
TA,
Not saying this is the case here, but the US patent office has granted many useless patents that don't actually work. it is all about proving no interference with prior art, doing a legalese dance around the claims, and paying a fee. Is the number of patents one has been granted your new metric for intelligence?
I see no reason to doubt that your friend can modify a medium with an electromagnet such that it splits or steers a laser beam, etc.
But again, you reply as if what you say is somehow a response to the issues I raised, and again it is not.
Like you, I don't really care.
But addressing those issues or performing control experiments would indeed be good science...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 06:41:11 PM
No, here is your premise, your chain of thought..........
1. some quackery bullshit HAS been granted an "original art" (PATENT)2. I dont believe you can bend laser/ light with magnetism
3. Ergo, all this is bullshit, and therefore THESE pictures are wrong/ incorrect measurements AND his friends PANTENTED device must also be bullshit .
http://www.revolution-labs.com/ Sells ferrocells 100mm bare lens for $329; with LEDs $399 :) 50mm for $79
This is a really long page about magnetics, spins, and crop circles related to formations in ferrocells et al.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/fringe2013c.html
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 30, 2014, 06:44:38 PM
No, here is your premise, your chain of thought..........
1. some quackery bullshit HAS been granted an "original art" (PATENT)
2. I dont believe you can bend laser/ light with magnetism
3. Ergo, all this is bullshit, and therefore THESE pictures are wrong/ incorrect measurements AND his friends PANTENTED device must also be bullshit .
Now your just putting your own words in my mouth. Are you now claiming to be a mind reader?
Do I believe that one can, by proxy, bend or manipulate a beam of light using a magnetic field and a magnetically responsive medium? Most assuredly. Happens every day. One can also do the same using an electric field (hence the sciences of magneto and electro optics).
But again, you merely continue to post responses that are meaningless with respect to directly addressing the issues I raised.
Surely you understand the validity of those issues. I am not even saying you are necessarily wrong. But without the due diligence to perform controls and rule out other possible causes of the pattern presented, one should refrain from drawing conclusions and only state what is observed. Again, that is just good science.
PW
That's a lot of bullshit he's got books and videos hahahahahahha
SO THE SEA SALT IS WHAT DOES THE TRICK MMMMMMM THANKS FOR THAT ONE NOW I CAN BUILD A REALY GOOD HOLAGRAME IN PERFECT DEFINITION JUST LIKE A 3D TV MMMMMMM
There has to be a positive out of all the hype and negative also geometry like this could reveal many hidden secrets of the hidden world of exotic particles or dark matter I am pretty good with vectors and light ! If light is reflected to form a shape it could produce the image of the structure it is reflecting off or refracting with ... I know there must be a inner dimensional world as my own experience with dimensional beings and ghosts is real ... COULD GEOMERTY OPEN UP A DOOR TO SUCH A WORLD ????
ME
Like a gnat out of hell
You'll be gone when the morning comes.
When the night is over
Like a gnat out of hell
You'll be gone gone gone.
Like a gnat out of hell
You'll be gone when the morning comes.
But when the day is done and the sun goes down,
and the moonlights shining through,
Then like a sinner before the gates of heaven,
You'll go crawling back to you.......
You are experiencing the "flash" in real time of the flash in the pan.
*Poof* and it will all be over and Kenny will not make the slightest dent in anything.... It's all a farce and I am sure many of the readers realize that this whole thing is akin to reading "MAD" magazine when you are 11 years old.
Remember Spy vs. Spy? Say no more....
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 06:59:42 PM
Do I believe that one can, by proxy, bend or manipulate a beam of light using a magnetic field and a magnetically responsive medium? Most assuredly. Happens every day. One can also do the same using an electric field (hence the sciences of magneto and electro optics).
Did you say the BELOW just 2 pages ago? Yeah. ;D ;D
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 06:59:42 PM
As for being able to visibly bend a beam of light with a magnet, "Pure 100% BS on that position , no offense."
PW
As they say in logic class "YOUR 'A' DOESNT MATCH YOUR 'B' "
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 30, 2014, 07:04:30 PM
Did you say the BELOW just 2 pages ago? Yeah. ;D ;D
As they say in logic class "YOUR 'A' DOESNT MATCH YOUR 'B' "
The context from a previous post is as follows:
Quote
TA,
Your friend, that only has 8 patents, apparently confirms that, as expected, blue light is more strongly absorbed (or scattered).
As for visibly deflecting a beam of light passing thru a non-magnetic medium using a magnet. Sorry, not buying that one. You may be able to deflect a beam using a proxy such as particles or crystals that align to a magnetic field, and under the correct circumstances you can affect the polarization of a beam of light with a magnetic field, but I do not believe it possible to visibly deflect a beam of light directly with a magnet.
As for you "winning", you seem to think that by not addressing or investigating the points raised, or by using bold type, that you somehow "win". It matters not to me. In the end, it is only good science and truth that loses.
PW
I see nothing contradictory at all. Although it was late at night and in hindsight I would prefer the use of "magnetically non-responsive" instead of "non-magnetic", as in, "Do I believe that a beam of light can be deflected directly using a magnetic field and a magnetically non-responsive medium? No."
But as I said, it is done by proxy everyday.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 07:19:36 PM
Although it was late at night and in hindsight I would prefer the use of "magnetically non-responsive" instead of "non-magnetic"
Nice backpedaling and a dash of "CYA" (cover your arse)
Max deflection of the laser is from the magnetic centrifugal. WHY? Because the radial dielectric of EM/LIGHT is repulsed by same
Max ABSORPTION of the laser is from the "magnets" DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE.....WHY? Because Dielectricity is mutually convergent.
Had that confirmed last night by another:::::
QUOTE:::::
"You're right about blue. I've made a few tests using my spectrometer and see the blue and shorter is mostly absorbed.
This thing even eats blue laser to the point where it barely gets through."Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 07:19:36 PM
as in, "Do I believe that a beam of light can be deflected directly using a magnetic field and a magnetically non-responsive medium? No."
GOOD, TELL THAT TO THE PATENTED DEVICE AND EVIDENCES AGAINST YOU.
Your lips vs. the evidences. Which WINS?
Magnetically non-responsive? SAYS WHO??? YOU.
Too bad, light just called and said you're full of it. ;D
His spectrometer must be BROKEN TOO!!!! ;D
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 07:19:36 PM
But as I said, it is done by proxy everyday.
PROXY: A BS SOPHISTIC TERM OFTEN USED AS A CONVOLUTED NON-ANSWER TO COVER ONES ASS
That's ENOUGH ...... Leave the poor man alone I know what its like to be hit so hard by the hammer here it hurts hahahah STAND UP AND TAKE IT LIKE A MAN THAN BECOME A MONKEY HAHAHAH
He has brought forward something new to my life and I THANK HIM FOR THAT ... But he has not got a bend in the field has he ! NO ! NO MAGNETIC VORTEX .......
ITS THE MAGNET NOT THE LIGHT THAT NEED CHANGEING ... Speed up the magnet and the light must bend try 749 000 000 mph hahahahahahhahaha or you got no chance ... !!!!
Patents have numbers, don't they? Why is it that the only patent NUMBER that has been given relating to a "Kenny Wheeler" patent... has been given to you by ME?
Hey Kenny: Your book is superficial twaddle and smacks of existentialist crypto-nihilism. In short, you're a materialistic demon.
patents have applications with numbers even; and applications are also published.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 30, 2014, 07:27:07 PM
Nice backpedaling and a dash of "CYA" (cover your arse)
Max deflection of the laser is from the magnetic centrifugal. WHY? Because the radial dielectric of EM/LIGHT is repulsed by same
Max ABSORPTION of the laser is from the "magnets" DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE.....WHY? Because Dielectricity is mutually convergent.
Had that confirmed last night by another:::::
QUOTE:::::
"You're right about blue. I've made a few tests using my spectrometer and see the blue and shorter is mostly absorbed.
This thing even eats blue laser to the point where it barely gets through."
GOOD, TELL THAT TO THE PATENTED DEVICE AND EVIDENCES AGAINST YOU.
Your lips vs. the evidences. Which WINS?
Magnetically non-responsive? SAYS WHO??? YOU. Too bad, light just called and said you're full of it. ;D
His spectrometer must be BROKEN TOO!!!! ;D
PROXY: A BS SOPHISTIC TERM OFTEN USED AS A CONVOLUTED NON-ANSWER TO COVER ONES ASS
TA,
I don't see it as backpedaling at all. When it is not the middle of the night, I try to choose my words carefully so as to be as accurate as possible. I'll stand by my original statement if it makes you feel more comfortable. We can let the readers decide if "non-magnetic" versus the less ambiguous "magnetically non-responsive" is backpedaling or not.
As for your friend's comment that you have again posted, nowhere in that quote from him is a magnetic field even mentioned. He seems to be stating that blue and shorter wavelengths are more strongly absorbed. Not sure what medium is being discussed, but if it is one full of nanoparticles or scattering inclusions, one would expect greater absorption at shorter wavelengths. See "Rayleigh scattering".
But again, you seem to just want to avoid the issues raised and turn this into some sort of personal pissing match.
Good luck with that... That is not my idea of good science or rationale discussion.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 08:47:33 PM
TA,
As for your friend's comment that you have again posted, nowhere in that quote from him is a magnetic field even mentioned.
PW
I assumed you understood that. Yes, we were discussing the dielectric concentrated at (NOT LOCATED AT) the middle of both of the magnetic polarities.
THE NEXT TEST WILL PROVE .... (YES, IM ALWAYS 10 STEPS AHEAD) ....that i can change (increase) the GAUSS RATING of a soft magnetized object using a short wavelength HIGH DIELECTRIC CAPACITANT blue laser.
Care to GUESS the outcome of that test???????? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Magnetization increase VIA LASER capacitance.
Indeed Kenny. PW is brilliant and he has great depth and breadth of experience and knowledge. I have qualified PW and he is brilliant. I have qualified you and you are just a Joe Blow that has no clue with respect to what you are talking about. It's like comparing an elephant to an ant, and you are the ant.
You are another Jason Verbelli. Jason is a hoot because he also plays with magnets and thinks that he is discovering things. You two should play together.
You are too stupid to give PW some respect. You are too stupid to recognize and admit that you know that you don't know a lot of stuff, not to mention that you also don't know what you don't know, and that's a LOT of stuff. Between those two things your "pie chart of technical knowledge" is mostly the black of ignorance and on top of the black of ignorance is the dark blue of outright stupidity and comical "performance art" bad behaviour. All that is left in your pie chart is a little sliver of white light, the rest is all black and blue.
And what makes it even more surreal is that you have supporters that only know that they must support what is "alternative" no matter how stupid and ridiculous it is and no matter how outrageous and borderline insane the proponent of the "alternative" proposition is. They are just sellouts.
You would not last more than five minutes speaking to scientific and engineering professionals at a conference. You would start to pitch your nonsense and they would look at you like you were insane. It would quickly become apparent that you could not punch your way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to this stuff.
You claim that you have "studied magnetism" for 20 years, yet you balked when I mentioned the term "flux." You are giving yourself away right there Kenny. There is no recovery from that moment, you fell flat on your face into the mud and still haven't gotten up.
I can't go to some alternative music record launch party for some alternative band and make it like I know the "scene" because I know nothing about the current alternative music scene. I would not be able to chat with people and make it like I knew what I was talking about. DO YOU GET THAT? I would never pretend that I know about the alternative music scene because I know next to nothing about it.
You, on the other hand, DON'T GET IT. This is all an act combined with self-delusion on your part. You are your own writer and the only actor in your own theater-of-the-absurd play. You can't sustain this farcical charade indefinitely, you are eventually going to burn out from the excessive mental effort it takes to sustain it. When you run out of discoveries and "tricks" and get tired of the general bad behaviour thuggish clown act - you will exit stage left and disappear from this forum.
You know deep down inside this is all just an act on your part. You know deep down inside you really don't know what you are talking about with respect to magnetics, and forget even talking about electromagentics, there you are totally clueless. You know deep down inside that PW really knows his stuff, you can feel it too. You are talking to a seasoned gentleman that may have more than 40 years worth of experience. And here you are acting like some Insane Clown Posse Magnet Nut, making a complete fool of yourself. You can't keep this up indefinitely because it's psychologically unhealthy for you to do so.
The only question is is when are you going to throw in the towel.
Sorry to be so brutally honest but you know inside you deserve the smack-down for acting like such a potty-mouthed ignorant thug.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on July 30, 2014, 09:23:15 PM
PW is brilliant and he has great depth and breadth of experience and knowledge. I have qualified PW and he is brilliant.
THAT SON, IS CALLED THE
"FALLACY OF MUTUAL CONFIRMATION!!!!!!!!!!!" That fallacy is the same as two rapists analogy,.......one confirming that the other one is "a good guy" HAAA!!!!!
Quote from: MileHigh on July 30, 2014, 09:23:15 PM
Jason is a hoot because he also plays with magnets
And Telsa was playing with wires and copper
and Edison was playing with bulbs and carbon fiber and filaments.
It takes a TRUE INTELLECTUAL PEDOPHILE to trash a genuine experimenter! Congrats ;D
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 30, 2014, 01:11:50 PM
Tinsh!t Koala quote:
"Not bad for someone who doesn't believe in overunity or free energy. Or did I get the wrong Kenny Wheeler again? It's a common name. "
Whatta douche bag troll...that patent is from nearly a decade ago.
Back then I didn't know what a slanderous lying sack of Shi!t this shill is either.
Life is a learning curve...likely also subject to the influence of magnetic fields.
Regards...
You are right, that is an old patent, isn't it. And nothing has come from the company that was going to make overunity motors using it.
Patents containing Kenneth L. Wheeler or variants of that name as the inventor or co-inventor are pretty hard to find, though. It would be easier if he would just give us their numbers.
How about this one: A posture chair for fat people.
http://www.google.com/patents/US6059239?cl=en (http://www.google.com/patents/US6059239?cl=en)
Is that our boy? Oh wait... that one is from FOURTEEN years ago. Never mind then. Or maybe that's why he retired so early. There are certainly plenty of fat people around with poor posture!
(Too bad Denise Anderson's patents are all in the field of perfume chemistry.)
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 11:10:12 PM
You are right, that is an old patent, isn't it. And nothing has come from the company that was going to make overunity motors using it.
Patents containing Kenneth L. Wheeler or variants of that name as the inventor or co-inventor are pretty hard to find, though. It would be easier if he would just give us their numbers.
How about this one: A posture chair for fat people.
http://www.google.com/patents/US6059239?cl=en (http://www.google.com/patents/US6059239?cl=en)
Is that our boy? Oh wait... that one is from FOURTEEN years ago. Never mind then. Or maybe that's why he retired so early. There are certainly plenty of fat people around with poor posture!
(Too bad Denise Anderson's patents are all in the field of perfume chemistry.)
Good lord...I guess my having a patent outside my field of endeavor makes me a..............ges-us christ, this guy has to be just about out of his gourd right about now.
I've seen people totally unravel after being exposed in unseemly behavior before...and this is looking eerily familiar.
I'm beginning to get creeped out now...I think I'm going to stop this, in case he's just a troubled soul.
Regards...
Good grief! Do you mean.... it is actually possible that I am sitting my skinny ass down in a Wheeler Posture Chair at this very moment? Not the one for fat people, just the ordinary one from 1977:
www.google.com/patents/US4170382
I got mine at a yard sale for ten bucks... and had to repair it so it would hold my scrawny 98-pound weakling frame.
You made my day, Zero.
Ken,
These attacks aren't even worth dignifying with a response. Might as well hit the ignore button, let them burn in their own caustic vitriol. Be assured there are many of us who come to this thread on a regular basis to read what you have to say and learn from what you have to share.
B
Quote from: picowatt on July 30, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
Tinman,
There are indeed magneto-optic effects. Examples are the "Faraday effect", which relates to light passing thru a medium that changes in the presence of a magnetic field and the "magneto-optic Kerr effect", which relates to light reflecting off of a magnetized surface. Both the Faraday and Kerr effect relate to changes to the polarization of light.
The refractive index of some materials/fluids is polarization dependent, so it is possible to use the Faraday effect, for example, to cause the path of light to deflect/change when passing thru those materials in the presence of a magnetic field due to the change in polarization.
Magneto-optic Kerr effect laser microscopy is used, for example, to visualize the domain structures of magnetic materials by measuring the change to the polarization of a polarized laser beam reflected off a magnetized surface.
However, to suggest that light itself can be deflected by a magnetic field is a claim that in and of itself would be quite extraordinary. No light deflecting effects are observed in the typical 1.5T field of an MRI tunnel, nor has any such deflection been observed at field strengths in the tens of Tesla's of research magnets.
PW
Mmm-so do we now need to prove the device that is to prove the magnetic vortex?-sounds like another fun experiment. For this I will need to order a laser-about a 3 day wait. Then build a very strong electromagnet, driven by my SG, and appropriate driver. Lets see if we can bend a laser beam of light.
Quote from: Bob Smith on July 30, 2014, 11:48:07 PM
Ken,
These attacks aren't even worth dignifying with a response. Might as well hit the ignore button, let them burn in their own caustic vitriol. Be assured there are many of us who come to this thread on a regular basis to read what you have to say and learn from what you have to share.
B
You have a funny way of defining "caustic vitriol". How about we put it to a scientific test. Show this thread to your mother and have her identify the caustic vitriol and the poster from whom it comes. If your mother isn't available, show it to any random third party. Be sure to report your results.
I have news for you: asking someone for the numbers of their claimed patents isn't in the definition of "caustic vitriol" in any dictionary I can find.
But calling people the things that Kenny L. Wheeler says, in just about every post, is.
Quote from: tinman on July 31, 2014, 12:44:02 AM
Lets see if we can bend a laser beam of light.
Absolutely you can, but dont hope on getting a patent on it, someone beat you to the punchline on that one. ;)
Quote from: Bob Smith on July 30, 2014, 11:48:07 PM
Might as well hit the ignore button,
Where is it located at? ROFL ? I made 4 chalkboard videos tonight Im uploading..........I NEED to stop making videos at 1AM when I am soooo tired and not thinking clearly.
Its rather absurd on my part.
Was once a good thread UNTIL THE BOLD CAPITAL letters incessantly placed at random LOCATIONS IN SENTENCES compulsion took over. Annoying is an UNDERSTATEMENT. See you at another thread.
Hi Ken,
You know, what you make here wasting your time in contrary discussion, will not help you nor those who disagree. You waste your time explaining what they are not yet prepared to understand or even worse don't want to understand because of fear of losing all the values and attributes gained in this existence. It is not so simple to reshape and redefine the entire so called reality and the own existence and relationship to everything which so far has been considered external and unrelated to our own existence. It's hard to become responsible, after centuries of irresponsibility. And on the other hand what if they will agree with you without really understand what you say? You think will help them somehow, or will help you in any way?
Is so simple and easy to contradict, when someone is full of certainties. But as is well known, only one category of people have certainties.
You make a great work and have my appreciation, support and understanding. Keep go on!
Thanks,
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on July 31, 2014, 04:30:11 AM
Hi Ken,
You know, what you make here wasting your time in contrary discussion, will not help you nor those who disagree. You waste your time explaining what they are not yet prepared to understand or even worse don't want to understand because of fear of losing all the values and attributes gained in this existence. It is not so simple to reshape and redefine the entire so called reality and the own existence and relationship to everything which so far has been considered external and unrelated to our own existence. It's hard to become responsible, after centuries of irresponsibility. And on the other hand what if they will agree with you without really understand what you say? You think will help them somehow, or will help you in any way?
Help me do what? Im not selling anything, as for any agreement, I would only be worried I was utterly wrong of some of these people (and I know their types) agreed at ALL with me.
I didnt post this thread to convince anyone of a single thing. Let them go experiment themselves.
I have about 30 more videos to make, and about 200+ more pages to add to the book, some stuff I would like to add now, but cannot
I started reading this post on page 1 and realized it would take me all day to get here, so I just jumped ahead.
I've managed to read about 1/3rd of Ken's e-book and I agree with a lot of you...it's a tough read. Unless you're familiar with the early works of Maxwell, Faraday and Heavyside, a lot of Ken's writing and images seem ridiculous.
Ken may be using some of his own words to describe magnetic phenomenon, but his 'concepts' have been around for a long time. A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Now lets examine why an old style picture tube responds to magnetism like Ken has shown on the first couple of pages of this post. It all begins with an electron gun in the neck of the tube and a giant electrostatic potential which accelerates these electrons so they collide with phosphors on the back side of the screen. Basically, an old-school c.r.t. is a consumer-grade particle accelerator. Photons are not directly affected by magnetism, but electrons are!
When a magnetic field is introduced to a stream of electrons, they are affected by the magnets' field.
In Ken's videos we see how these electrons exhibit a chirality (right/left handedness) and how their trajectories can be altered by a magnet's polarization. The old c.r.t.'s used electromagnetic deflection coils to 'sweep' the electrons across the rear face of the screen. These sweep rates are high enough in frequency that the human eye doesn't perceive their motion (>45 Hz) and we see a picture that is really a mosaic composed from millions of tiny dots. Brightness is controlled by increasing or decreasing the accelerating voltage to the c.r.t. I won't get into color information here, but if you're interested see the wiki entry on CRT Television.
So, Ken is circumventing the built-in 'electron navigation system' (deflection coils) by introducing an external source for deflecting electrons emanating from the c.r.t.'s guns. That's why we see the 'R-G-B rainbow background' and the vortex's right or left handedness. What we see on these old c.r.t.'s is directly dependent on the strength and polarization of the applied external field and how it affects electrons flying toward a phosphor. Simple. 8)
Oh BTW- a word of advice to Ken. Be careful with those powerful magnets on the c.r.t. You can warp the tiny wires that make up the 'micro-grid' inside the tube. Going to 'black' is a form of saturation which may lead to permanent damage of that old Sony-build Trinitron tube you're using for experiments.
https://archive.org/details/magnetism1small (https://archive.org/details/magnetism1small)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qYyvPB4E-A&list=UUVcxJ9k14bi__-uA1cGkEcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qYyvPB4E-A&list=UUVcxJ9k14bi__-uA1cGkEcA)
Ken ..Wow !! Very good explanation !! Pushing the edge of science is not for weaklings as you have done, since heretics get executed and expelled from society it takes a fortitude of life force to defend that onslaught...and it looks like "you" have the force field to bend the arrows from a direct attack.. Now what do I matter in the greater scheme of whole planet means nothing.. It's very humbling to realize that all humans are individuals which strive to make a mark in our own way and get dragged down the sewer by our peers who are imprinted with false beliefs to see the greater good.. Life sucks for most humans.. You did make a difference in my life..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s9ae0HpIZo&list=UUVcxJ9k14bi__-uA1cGkEcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s9ae0HpIZo&list=UUVcxJ9k14bi__-uA1cGkEcA)
p.s..
Those magnet loopback generators are now possible with your discovery explanation...!! Like Howard Johnson, John Bedini, and hundreds of others ..
http://pesn.com/2014/07/16/9602516_Magnetic-Energy-Systems_gets_third-party-validation_of_overunity/ (http://pesn.com/2014/07/16/9602516_Magnetic-Energy-Systems_gets_third-party-validation_of_overunity/)
Here is the latest story from China.. link below
http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:140728:Maglev_Generator_Generates_1.8_kW_Electricity_from_40_W_Input (http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:140728:Maglev_Generator_Generates_1.8_kW_Electricity_from_40_W_Input)
china link ..
http://news.rti.org.tw/news/detail/?recordId=122885 (http://news.rti.org.tw/news/detail/?recordId=122885)
http://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20140720000273-260114 (http://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20140720000273-260114)
Free energy from Sterling Allen hour about the Hutchinson effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUK7KG4lm4Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUK7KG4lm4Q)
Quote from: pinestone on July 31, 2014, 06:59:40 AM
I started reading this post on page 1 and realized it would take me all day to get here, so I just jumped ahead.
I've managed to read about 1/3rd of Ken's e-book and I agree with a lot of you...it's a tough read. Unless you're familiar with the early works of Maxwell, Faraday and Heavyside, a lot of Ken's writing and images seem ridiculous.
Ken may be using some of his own words to describe magnetic phenomenon, but his 'concepts' have been around for a long time. A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Now lets examine why an old style picture tube responds to magnetism like Ken has shown on the first couple of pages of this post. It all begins with an electron gun in the neck of the tube and a giant electrostatic potential which accelerates these electrons so they collide with phosphors on the back side of the screen. Basically, an old-school c.r.t. is a consumer-grade particle accelerator. Photons are not directly affected by magnetism, but electrons are!
When a magnetic field is introduced to a stream of electrons, they are affected by the magnets' field.
In Ken's videos we see how these electrons exhibit a chirality (right/left handedness) and how their trajectories can be altered by a magnet's polarization. The old c.r.t.'s used electromagnetic deflection coils to 'sweep' the electrons across the rear face of the screen. These sweep rates are high enough in frequency that the human eye doesn't perceive their motion (>45 Hz) and we see a picture that is really a mosaic composed from millions of tiny dots. Brightness is controlled by increasing or decreasing the accelerating voltage to the c.r.t. I won't get into color information here, but if you're interested see the wiki entry on CRT Television.
So, Ken is circumventing the built-in 'electron navigation system' (deflection coils) by introducing an external source for deflecting electrons emanating from the c.r.t.'s guns. That's why we see the 'R-G-B rainbow background' and the vortex's right or left handedness. What we see on these old c.r.t.'s is directly dependent on the strength and polarization of the applied external field and how it affects electrons flying toward a phosphor. Simple. 8)
Oh BTW- a word of advice to Ken. Be careful with those powerful magnets on the c.r.t. You can warp the tiny wires that make up the 'micro-grid' inside the tube. Going to 'black' is a form of saturation which may lead to permanent damage of that old Sony-build Trinitron tube you're using for experiments.
That is a great description of what MileHigh, Picowatt, Tinman, I and a few other readers here know, and can use to engineer new stuff that actually works. It seems to be something that is beyond Aryasattvan's grasp, though.
Now, you skipped ahead, so you probably missed all those passages where some of us took your position in attempts at rational discussion. We were repaid by insults and disrespect of the worst kind. I don't wonder at all how he will respond to your explanation. Because you see, he is better than all of us, combined.
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 30, 2014, 10:58:33 AM
Message to Tin man ! The 93rd element is a group of 93 scientists I being negative hydrogen and claim it as the 93 element but I am open to any counter claims AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND AND POLITE MOMENT OF TRUTH THAT YOU SHARE EVERY TIME YOU SPEAK YOU SIR ARE A REAL KNOCK ON THE DOOR OF REALITY WE THANK YOU !
Regards
93rd element
Cheers 93rd element.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 31, 2014, 01:31:55 AM
Absolutely you can, but dont hope on getting a patent on it, someone beat you to the punchline on that one. ;)
Not after any pattents TA,only answers.
Tk, you also have to get your jab in too...
and I had more respect to you.
QuoteWe were repaid by insults and disrespect of the worst kind. I don't wonder at all how he will respond to your explanation. Because you see, he is better than all of us, combined. Quote
This thread just made me sick ....
Acca..
Quote from: tinman on July 31, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
Not after any pattents TA,only answers.
I know, it was just a bit of humor.
I know you tinker and experiment and discover........LOVE to do it myself, (of course)
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 31, 2014, 07:21:46 AM
We were repaid by insults and disrespect of the worst kind.
Yes, you are referring to yourself,..... where you accused me of lying about my dead wife.
AT WHICH TIME , I pounded your skull with the proof that you are a lying and vile POS. You deserve no respect, at least no more than granted to a stray dog would deserve.
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 11:44:12 PM
Good grief! Do you mean.... it is actually possible that I am sitting my skinny ass down in a Wheeler Posture Chair at this very moment? Not the one for fat people, just the ordinary one from 1977:
www.google.com/patents/US4170382 (http://www.google.com/patents/US4170382)
I got mine at a yard sale for ten bucks... and had to repair it so it would hold my scrawny 98-pound weakling frame.
You made my day, Zero.
I have no idea what this entity is doing or involved in, but it is nothing positive, and I just don't want to be the final straw in the life of this lost soul.
Regards...
Attached find some quotes from the first ten pages of this thread.... well before Aryasattvan started mentioning his wife and her illness in a contemptible attempt to gain sympathy for himself.
Quote from: Acca on July 31, 2014, 08:13:46 AM
Tk, you also have to get your jab in too...
and I had more respect to you.
http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg409608/#msg409608
A HOLAGRAM IS A HOLAGRAME !!!
You can call it a platypuses with breast implants dancing on the end a string or a plastic dummy with a magnetically induced radial electron refracted element geometric photonic dielectric phenomena its still a hologram ! Many people whom have no basic understanding of particle physics try and read the vast data and can not get there head round the logic of it . This is one of them and very sad it is to see and with an on-going pathetic display of stupidity he continues ... Not one university or particle research facility will even look at the heap of data he has written because he's presentation is of an effect that does not exist or can ever exist . Its a con !!! But there will be followers who will dance to he's tune because the lack of understanding in there heads refuse to ever except the truth of a universe that is constant and structured by set rules that can never be changed .
Some people cant help but try and brake the rules or bend the laws because they are criminals in the field of physics and only seek fame money and fill there empty lives with lies disseat miss interpretation's wrong doing violent response disrespect ! The so called electron plumbers and Greek PHD philosophers jump up and down all over the logic gate and try to entre without the key of knowledge which is a simple truth made with simple rules and defined by one simple rule of law ! fact over fiction ! .. You may bend the minds of them that know only what they want to see not the reality of there stupidity, they hate authority so much so that they conserve there corruption of intelligence with blind ignorance to spill out there lies in twisted intentions to deceive those that seek truth as if they are the hunted victims of vamp uric brain sucking evil .
To them that wish to learn truth I warn you of this misconception of a known truth follow the light over its new found gravity and weigh the planet it curves round measure the rainbow its refraction and speed that slows to create the magnificent wonder it is and ask is this the real truth or is the reality a trick made by the creator to deceive thee ????? WHO WILL YOU CHOSE TO BELEAVE ????
THE SO CALLED DIELECTRIC PLAIN IS A ! CONSTANT ! HELD AT A ZERO POINT IN TIME AND SPACE AND CAN NEVER SHIFT ITS POSITION IT CAN NEVER DANCE ALONG THE SPEED OF LIGHT TO ENTRAP NOT ONE SINGLE PHOTON .... If it was to do that than light can never be released from the curvature it has been trapped by . No magnet has a vortex of flux sent up from the atomic bonds that hold its mass together only the un measurable realm of exotic particles dance around it and so tiny are they that a trillion photon particles can sit on there horizon without a shadow to eclipse there ever lasting beauty .
If just one magnetic vortex was to exist that is built with the components of an electron, than no universe could ever have been born as the charge of energy would far exceed the balance of entropy enthalpy unity and would defy all the laws that has constructed this dimension . If such formula was to be established as fact fiction would than rule over fact ! THIS IS A WARNING ! When darkness is cloaked around a single photon in 2.2 trillionths of a second a new universe is born out of the infinite influence of the forever dividing divisions of the photon particle trapped inside and by simple kinetic rules of particle interaction enough energy is made to bring a new reality where fact will aging rule over fiction ! A fundamental factual of electron growth that will never be trapped again by the cloak of darkness . For them that understand hold firm to the reality of finite truth the one truth that has taken over 4 billion years to learn and fully understand protect all its boundaries with every breath you take every thought you conceive every beat of you hart every drop of ink that flows from your pen ..... If ever man sinks the photon into darkness because id selfish idiotic envy of the laws that have brought all mass and life into existence than it will be completely and utterly destroyed ....
I my fellow humans am the ATOOMIX THE 93RD ELEMENT THE KING MONKEY and the protector of the photon the electron the light and am here to give you my love respect truth guidance my power the truth and by the love of the almighty the kingdom of heaven declare a boundary of untouchable truth that I have been chosen to govern ... Let it be known that divine knowledge is a truth made in the mind of the creator to destroy all that is darkness !
We the minds and souls of the above stand firmly correct and live in infinite respect of the truth so help up GOD ....
REGARDS
HEAVEN ON EARTH AND THE 144000 ANGELS THAT HAVE NOW ARIVED TO DESTROY ALL THAT IS EVIL AND FREE HUMANITY FROM DARNESS BEFOR ITS TO LATE .............................................. LOL XXXXXXYYYYYYYXXXXXXYYYYYYXXXXXYYYYYYXXXXXYYYY
Quote from: Acca on July 31, 2014, 07:02:56 AM
Ken ..Wow !! Very good explanation
On the video tonight, when I show you where :
1. the wave particle duality (nonsense) comes from, and why its looked at like this
2. the Photo electric effects genuine source explanation
3. The Faraday Effect
I will explain it so even a 15 year old can easily grasp where these 3 HUGE confusions come from, and why.
You SHOULD be impressed and amazed. It will be so simple, so logical, so ANANKE (Greek term, roughly meaning "it cannot exist any other way")
The idiot Einstein said----"We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two contradictory pictures of reality; separately neither of them fully explains the phenomena of light, but together they do"
I will logically destroy that tonight in a video, you can EXPLAIN BOTH very very easily
What is more , there is enormous evidence for this.
Another mystery wrapped in an enigma! Strange squiggly lines....
You got no chance TA LIGHT HAS MASS ITS CALLED A PARTICLE ...... Light has other properties to it that you don't see as you mind is already set in blinkered focus , I have a simple experiment to prove light has mass ,
REGARDS
93RDELEMENT ...
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 31, 2014, 10:00:49 PM
You got no chance TA LIGHT HAS MASS ITS CALLED A PARTICLE
As insane as you are, you are ALMOST RIGHT,
Video UPLOADING NOW.........when you see it, THEN you will understand the misunderstanding of wave-particle duality BS.
That "particle" doesnt exist, its a Dielectric pulse
Inside that pocket of energy is a tiny particle like a snow flake it cant form without a particle ! But a photon is also a hologram and is seen as one through the double split experiment as like a reflection ! Just like the reflection of your insanity ..... The particle is very real and must also take part in the final balance . Its the meta quantum realm of a quantum flux miracles are made of them and they all have a particle to one side of the reflection .
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on July 31, 2014, 10:22:16 PM
Nope, mother nature doesnt do particles and quantum BS.Only fields, charge and discharges. Even the nucleus of atoms are quasi-stable dielectric field conglomerates.
........Videos getting rid of (and explaining away) the wave particle duality nonsense
same for the Faraday effect
same for Photoelectric effect.
Or, killing off the "photon" nonsense and replacing it with logic and common sense.
THE MISSING SECRET OF LIGHT PART 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKZOl_dRlQ
THE MISSING SECRET OF LIGHT PART 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUMP6-Gos2I
@93RDELEMENT
QuoteInside that pocket of energy is a tiny particle like a snow flake it cant form without a particle !
Inside that pocket of so called "energy" is a tiny point as an antinode of so called "energies" it can't form without the stress of ether! ... and which is the generator of the entire pocket!
There are no particles at all. Just a misinterpretation, based on terms and misconception which are valid only in an empty space defined and promoted by GR and QM, which has removed the reference and fundamental medium, namely ether, and then subsequently filled this new created space with all sorts of terms and concepts, which basically tries to define a new reality based on new laws and values. A whopping big lie! Really comfortable to the ego, but only a blatant lie!
Light's Repulsive Force Discovered (http://www.livescience.com/5557-light-repulsive-force-discovered.html)
Abstract: The two light beams became out of phase with one another, creating a push, or repulsive force, with an intensity that can be controlled; the more out of phase the two light beams, the stronger the force.
Gravock
that was discovered long ago in fiber optic cables
a free hanging fiber optic cable PHYSICALY moves resultant to light divergence re-adjusting to its frequency as it exist the fiber optic cable.
Life And Death Of A Photon 'Filmed' For The First Time (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070402122514.htm)
There is nothing in nature saying photons have to be destroyed in order to be measured!
Gravock
Synthetic Magnetism (http://vimeo.com/7935430)
Synthetic Magnetism Used to Control Light (http://www.zmescience.com/research/photons-synthetic-magnetism-043214/)
Photons react to the synthetic magnetic field the way an electron reacts to a real magnetic field. Synthetic Magnetism breaks the physics law known as the time-reversal symmetry of light!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 01, 2014, 05:53:22 AM
Synthetic Magnetism (http://vimeo.com/7935430)
Synthetic Magnetism Used to Control Light (http://www.zmescience.com/research/photons-synthetic-magnetism-043214/)
Photons react to the synthetic magnetic field the way an electron reacts to a real magnetic field. Synthetic Magnetism breaks the physics law known as the time-reversal symmetry of light!
Gravock
Photons do NOT exist son, the nature of light is dielectrical and electromagnetic
the VERY PRINCIPLE of the "photon" was just a term used to describe the "particle-like" "quanta" of light
wise up, for Xrists sake. Another person chasing Unicorns
Quote from: sadang on August 01, 2014, 01:49:41 AM
I CRACKED IT!!!!! IVE PROVEN THE LAST LEG OF THE THEORY!!!!!! ;D ;D
PROOF THAT MAGNETIC RECIPROCATION IS = PHI CUBED (1/PHI^3 = Phi Cubed) ~!~!~!!
golden ratio reciprocation
SEE VIDEO HERE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwnM5c0aOes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwnM5c0aOes)THEN SEE THIS CHART::::
What's next? A book about the "Ultimate Proof of Numerology"?
Quote from: celsus on August 01, 2014, 08:37:41 AM
What's next? A book about the "Ultimate Proof of Numerology"?
Only science SON, as you can see from the video below, these are the exact patterns as SEEN in genuine magnets
see and learn something:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yopddyqv2LQ
wise the hell up
You should publish your work in a scientific magazine if you think it is science.
Quote from: celsus on August 01, 2014, 08:44:26 AM
You should publish your work in a scientific magazine if you think it is science.
scientific mags arent about science, theyre about peer reviewed bullshit nobody reads.........ESPECIALLY normal human beings..., its processed CRAP
That comment is a bit pathetic.
My book already over 280,000 downloads.
and, NOBODY buys magazines anymore..........nobody.
I see. They rejected your work.
Quote from: celsus on August 01, 2014, 08:44:26 AM
You should publish your work in a scientific magazine if you think it is science.
Real science is performed at home on the work bench. Then it's just a matter of interpreting the results correctly.
I have done just about as much as i can do,in regards to the test carried out so far on the magnetic vortex water test. It would seem that !most! can be explained by current understanding's-although im at a loss with the incorrect spin direction in the last test,using the speaker magnet?May have to look at that one again ???
I have ordered the laser for the !magnetic field/light bending test,and it should arrive around wednesday next week.
Has anyone noticed that water is attracted to a magnetic field?
Quote from: tinman on August 01, 2014, 09:34:10 AM
Real science is performed at home on the work bench.
At least that's what you call "real science".
Quote from: tinman on August 01, 2014, 09:34:10 AM
Real science is performed at home on the work bench. Then it's just a matter of interpreting the results correctly.
I have done just about as much as i can do,in regards to the test carried out so far on the magnetic vortex water test. It would seem that !most! can be explained by current understanding's-although im at a loss with the incorrect spin direction in the last test,using the speaker magnet?May have to look at that one again ???
I have ordered the laser for the !magnetic field/light bending test,and it should arrive around wednesday next week.
Has anyone noticed that water is attracted to a magnetic field?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyqOTJOJSoU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyqOTJOJSoU) (water repelled by magnet)
I saw another demo of this that was just ice without a test-tube; so it's not the glass (nessecarily) that's diamagnetic.
it's not incorrect spin... sketch the lines all the way around the inside and outside... in the bubbles deflected around clockwise through fields going from s->n (top to bottom) the same direction on the inside as the outside...
Hi Ken
Video #22 is very interesting (as all are). I understand the "cushioning effect" you talk about.
Any new theory should result in practical devices to demonstrate, seems you have done this in the video.
Now let us prove it to ourselves. Help us, if you will, with information towards a build and replication / verification.
Thanks, vortex1
Quote from: celsus on August 01, 2014, 09:43:12 AM
At least that's what you call "real science".
Post #21
Troll Alert !
Regards...
Quote from: celsus on August 01, 2014, 09:07:06 AM
I see. They rejected your work.
No son. Actually now due to new experiments, the book, videos, and 2 new devices,
I have people beating my door down for a visit and elaborationsgo pedal it down the road
Quote from: tinman on August 01, 2014, 09:34:10 AM
Has anyone noticed that water is attracted to a magnetic field?
enormous effects, yes.
However, at THIS TIME, I will not real WHAT HOW WHERE etc.
results are stunning in several arenas. Thats all I will say
but that is due to the dipolar nature of H20 and how it orders itself
Quote from: Vortex1 on August 01, 2014, 11:02:16 AM
Hi Ken
Video #22 is very interesting (as all are).
thats the one video I wont get into.
I stated in the video I MAKE NO CLAIMS IN THIS VIDEO......ONLY OBSERVATIONS
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 01, 2014, 02:51:14 PM
Quote
Has anyone noticed that water is attracted to a magnetic field?
enormously, yes.
Here's a list of 20+ videos that indicate water is diamagnetic not paramagnetic
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diamagnetic+water (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diamagnetic+water)
Here's the first 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FvWtEdY4sE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FvWtEdY4sE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6YZ0ho3cPk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6YZ0ho3cPk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1kEgWJYNL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1kEgWJYNL4)
Whereas the search for "paramagnetic water'
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=paramagnetic+water (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=paramagnetic+water)
Yields lots of explanation videos about the difference between paramagnetic and diamagnetic
and the paramagnetism of Oxygen in HHO...
Quote from: d3x0r on August 01, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Whereas the search for "paramagnetic water'
There is a very good reason why people are confused on that part, its because of diff. interaction seen from both, since water is dipolar is has BOTH interactions.
I explain that in an upcoming edition after much water experimentation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLTat_bnZg
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 03:36:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLTat_bnZg
Saw video, ANOTHER TWERP confusing electricity with DIELECTRICITY
he looks like a stoner POTHEAD as well.
Thats about your speed
Howard Johnson from Virginia Tech was the first person to discover the magnetvortex some 30 years ago....
he used a hall effect sensor..
His book is linked below.
http://www.feandft.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/34317-Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson.pdf (http://www.feandft.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/34317-Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson.pdf)
Acca..[/font]
3 more pictures
Quote from: Acca on August 01, 2014, 04:10:45 PM
Howard Johnson from Virginia Tech was the first person to discover the magnetvortex some 30 years ago....
he used a hall effect sensor..
Yes, I know his work well,
its well meaning 100% hogwash and twaddle.He confuses intermediate centrifugal fields returning along the dielectric inertial plane as implying that a "magnet has 4 poles"
that among many other errors.
poor old fool that he was. He meant well.
H.j. Motor, another bad day at the patent office!
John.
Quote from: minnie on August 01, 2014, 04:36:28 PM
H.j. Motor, another bad day at the patent office!
John.
It's no Posture Chair for Fat People, that's for sure.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 01, 2014, 02:49:11 PM
No son. Actually now due to new experiments, the book, videos, and 2 new devices, I have people beating my door down for a visit and elaborations
go pedal it down the road
But you can't find a publisher and have to post your ideas in caps in a crackpot forum.
Post #22
Crackpot troll alert !
Regards...
Quote from: celsus on August 01, 2014, 06:54:47 PM
But you can't find a publisher
I retired at age 32, own several homes, know 7 languages, and finished college 3 years early.
Im not selling anything and
dont want YOURS or ANYONES money OR respect.
crawl back into your drainage hole. ;D
There should be a TV show, "Crackpot Wars" where people with diametrically opposite crackpot views battle it out. Then towards the end of the show they meet with a panel of educators, scientists, and engineers that are knowledgeable in the area under discussion and the crackpots have to defend their propositions.
Sort of like a "Jeux Sans Frontieres" competition. It would be a gas! gas! gas!
Quote from: MileHigh on August 01, 2014, 07:03:18 PM
with a panel of educators, scientists, and engineers that are knowledgeable in the area
This is why fools like you cannot learn anything, EVER.
You think everything is known, pretty much.
You think 10 idiots that AGREE with each other, which comprises a "panel of experts" means ANYTHING OTHER THAN
10 idiots agreeing with each others IDENTICAL versions of the SAME LIES and BULLSHIT
You know what "peer reviewed" means son?
It means one asshole confirms another assholes conclusions of his own BS conclusions. This intellectual ineptitude is why you fail, you fail to invent, you fail to understand, and , in general. FAIL.
Picowatt is the elephant, you are the ant, and I am the fox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE
Fox News...more like it.
Full of lies and distortions.
You just don't get it.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 01, 2014, 07:51:55 PM
You just don't get it.
Results prove otherwise, talk doesnt pay the electric bill
A few interesting links worthy of at least a quick read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_electron_microscopy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanning_electron_microscope
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESEM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_scattering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton_scattering
http://www.oersted.com/magnetizing.PDF
One should always know where they are before making a journey to somewhere else...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 01, 2014, 08:18:47 PM
A few interesting links worthy of at least a quick read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_electron_microscopy
Its too bad your SHIT link leaves out an important point
There are NO electron emissions in an "electron microscope"......... ALL BIO SUBJECTS are coated in GOLD and what is measured is dielectric (electrostatic and focused) reflectivity of the subject
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 01, 2014, 08:47:51 PM
Its too bad your SHIT link leaves out an important point
There are NO electron emissions in an "electron microscope"......... ALL BIO SUBJECTS are coated in GOLD and what is measured is dielectric (electrostatic and focused) reflectivity of the subject
It doesn't have to be gold. Aluminum, silver, and even a conductive carbon film can be used. In reality, no coating is really needed for the process to work. However, for non-metallic targets (biological samples, etc) placing them in a vacuum desiccates them causing them to become a fairly good electrical insulator. Because of this, after a short period of time in the beam, negative charges build up on the target which becomes sufficient to cause deflection of the electron beam away from the target as the beam approaches the target, spoiling the ultimate resolution obtained. The conductive coating is grounded to prevent charge build-up and the resultant beam deflection produced from the target acquiring a negative charge.
No conductive coating is required for electrically conductive objects.
Check out the ESEM. Electron microscopy can now be performed on moist biological tissue (even living tissue) at closer to atmospheric pressure without the need for the conductive coating at all, as the moisture in the target is sufficiently conductive to prevent charge buildup.
Pretty cool stuff actually...
PW
(And I believe that was indeed, for the most part, covered in the links provided)
Also,
Although SEM can sometimes use a proxy to detect the electrons reflected from the target, direct detection of electrons is often used. TEM, however, almost always uses direct detection of the electrons that travel past or thru the target sample.
(this was also covered in the links)
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 01, 2014, 09:04:31 PM
It doesn't have to be gold. Aluminum, silver, and even a conductive
no coating is required for conductive objects.
no coating is required for conductive objects.
I said that ABOVE
Doesnt matter if you coat it in tinfoil, its a dielectric reflector for scanning a biologic
gold, silver, (not copper for obvious reasons) Al alloys (low melting point alloys)
Quote from: picowatt on August 01, 2014, 09:22:28 PM
detect the electrons reflected from the target,
what electrons? they dont exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc5ns3eI7k
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 01, 2014, 09:25:18 PM
no coating is required for conductive objects.
I said that ABOVE
Doesnt matter if you coat it in tinfoil, its a dielectric reflector for scanning a biologic
gold, silver, (not copper for obvious reasons) Al alloys (low melting point alloys)
Nothing at all required for ESEM... And again, TEM uses direct detection of electrons.
I certainly did not, however, provide these links for your benefit. I just thought some readers here would enjoy reading some non-attitude filled documents regarding technologies designed with and related to the more conventional understanding.
PW
Added: Why do you think copper could not be used?
There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
I cremated Sam McGee.
Where do the Northern Lights come from? What makes tubes work? What about holes? How come a balloon sticks to a wall? What about s, p, d, f?
Inquiring minds want to know.
What about covalent bonds!?
Quote from: MileHigh on August 01, 2014, 09:40:40 PM
What about covalent bonds!?
VERY EASY, (if you have a mind that is)
An alternate and thought-provoking view on electrons. (It's the mad scientists.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0HiIed-8Q
Quote from: MileHigh on August 01, 2014, 10:00:49 PM
An alternate and thought-provoking view on electrons. (It's the mad scientists.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0HiIed-8Q
That shit video with the OLD DUMB F*CK with the HUGE WHITE AFRO?
thats it?
pardon while I laugh
Your "electron" no particles. There is no such BS as a "negative CHARGE"
only discharge.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 01, 2014, 10:03:53 PM
That shit video with the OLD DUMB F*CK with the HUGE WHITE AFRO?
thats it?
pardon while I laugh
The Tattooed Genius is now making fun of respected academics and calling them vile disgusting names, because of their hairstyle?
Pardon while I laugh.
More madness:
World's Smallest Magnetic Byte - Sixty Symbols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0PY-vgLHCQ
TA,
I'm curious. Why do you think copper could not be used as a conductive coating for SEM?
PW
I just got off the phone with my good friend, world famous psychic Clara Voyant...she said the ghost of Harpo Marx called - he wants his hair back.
Regards...
For those that are curious the Sixty Symbols channel is the real thing.
https://www.youtube.com/user/sixtysymbols/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/sixtysymbols/videos)
It will just blow Kenny to Smithereens.
OMG ferrofluid in slow motion!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2hHbgAAnjc&list=UUvBqzzvUBLCs8Y7Axb-jZew
Oldie (but goodie):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_%28atoms%29
PW
Frogs were abused in the making of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rotTjRY5lRw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSCX78-8-q0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_211263&feature=iv&src_vid=oSCX78-8-q0&v=xA4QWwaweWA
Charge of the enlightened brigade!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhrnIHZwqCE&list=UUvBqzzvUBLCs8Y7Axb-jZew
Quote from: picowatt on August 01, 2014, 10:14:24 PM
TA,
I'm curious. Why do you think copper could not be used as a conductive coating for SEM?
PW
I didnt say it couldnt, it has obvious issues in making it a particulate even bonding
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 01, 2014, 10:50:25 PM
I didnt say it couldnt, it has obvious issues in making it a particulate even bonding
Vapor deposition... We're not dipping ants in chocolate...
PW
I sputtered up a capacitor on a microscope slide once.
Quote from: picowatt on August 01, 2014, 10:59:26 PM
Vapor deposition
thanks for a statement of the bloody obvious
Now go photograph an electron and bring us the picture of that nonexistent object
and a photon as well,........idiot particle mysticism
TA,
Here is an interesting article I found regarding how magnetizers function (the link was also included in earlier post). Written by an engineer for a company that builds them, it includes a history of their evolution, theory of op, and even has schematic blocks for the nerd in us all.
http://www.oersted.com/magnetizing.PDF
At no time is the electrical current dumped by the magnetizer passed directly thru the pre-magnet. A fixture is always used that is either a cored electromagnet and the pre-magnet placed across its poles, or alternately, the pre-magnet is placed within a coil which is energized to temporarily make the pre-magnet an electromagnet.
I thought it was quite interesting,
PW
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 01, 2014, 11:12:32 PM
thanks for a statement of the bloody obvious
You're quite welcome.
QuoteAt no time is the electrical current dumped by the magnetizer passed directly thru the pre-magnet.
Indeed! That would be nuts because it makes no sense! You just have to apply the right-hand rule.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 01, 2014, 11:18:21 PM
Indeed! That would be nuts because it makes no sense! You just have to apply the right-hand rule.
right hand rule, dumbass, only applies to spatial fields in which you CAN point in "X" direction
such "rules" dont apply to certain longitudinal transmissions NOR to electrostatics mediated by electrostatics.
This is why you have no comprehension.
"well educated idiots" are the 3rd most common type of people. Thou art one.
Well, supposing that you have a ferrous rod and you want to turn it into a magnet.
You wrap a coil of wire around the ferrous rod and you zap the coil with a big pulse of current. You don't zap the ferrous rod itself with a big pulse of current with no coil present.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 02, 2014, 01:04:57 AM
You don't zap the ferrous rod itself with a big pulse of current with no coil present.
So, you're saying you STILL havent learned about wireless touchless induction?
Yes, I forgot, you dont know the definition of a FIELD
Yeah, well fucking shit, i DIDNT TOUCH THE TESLA COIL honey, ...I just walked about 4 foot closer to the goddamn thing, .....and what do you know?!!?!?!?
It zapped my asshows that shit work?
Fool.
Look at that coil causing that metal rod to get red hot!!! Ohhh hows that work, its not TOUCHING ANYTHING......
Welcome to Stupid-ville.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 02:59:50 AM
Let me give you a clue AGAIN-
"magnets" are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE (pre-) "POLES"...
Quote from: picowatt on August 02, 2014, 01:44:52 AM
Yes, 99% are.
Unless you see grandma stroking soft iron with a magnet and selling that SHIT on a back alley.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on August 01, 2014, 10:17:56 PM.
Discovered, a simple formula for determining the centrifugal field, the centripetal, and the dielectric boundary
Its a serious proof.
(in a perfect magnet as an ideal "perfect" magnet, which of course is nearly impossible)
never the less, its a teaching proof that the golden section applies to all divergent and convergent field reciprocations
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHDsnO3y7CA
Graph:
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 02, 2014, 01:47:38 AM
Yes, 99% are.
Unless you see grandma stroking soft iron with a magnet and selling that SHIT on a back alley.
So, you believe this comment from you to be true?
Quote
"magnets" are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE (pre-) "POLES"...
All emphasis yours...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 02, 2014, 01:59:10 AM
All emphasis yours...
PW
thats called an 'exclusion fallacy' wont work here son.
I spoke about how to create coherent magnetization 10 pages ago, about BOTH methods.
pedal your fallacies down the road
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 02, 2014, 02:22:41 AM
thats called an 'exclusion fallacy' wont work here son.
I spoke about how to create coherent magnetization 10 pages ago, about BOTH methods.
pedal your fallacies down the road
It was a simple question requiring only a yes or no. It is an important point I am trying to understand.
Why cannot magnetization just be the alignment of something in the pre-magnet substrate as is conventional thinking?
I.e., apply an external magnetic field to a NdFeB pre-magnet of sufficient strength to saturate the neo, domains align, remove external magnetic field, crystalline/molecular/electron properties of NdFeB causes retention of that alignment up to the Curie temp.
Why does electricity have to enter into the mechanism involved at all? Why cannot the process be a purely magnetic process as is currently believed? Is there any actual proof that conventional thinking along these lines is incorrect?
PW
@TA
You see no diffference between the figure you drew and the one recorded on ferrofilm?
Kenny:
That was just another whackadoo answer to my question to you about how you make a magnet. You completely changed the subject to the wireless transmission of energy.
Your argument about the definition of a field was to point to antiquity and claim that they got it right. That's totally lame. You can't define a field either. But.... ah-ha! When you look at how fields and volume and energy relate to each other, it all makes sense. Haven't heard much from you about that.
Plus, even some of your supporters know that you are making a big blunder. But they are sellouts and they won't say anything. Don't want to disturb your stream-of-consciousness 'genius.' Couldn't do that.
So, it would appear that you have no clue how to make a magnet.
Space is like a 3D carpet that you yank and away the wave goes traveling down the carpet like a moving disturbance. What happens when a wave travels down a carpet Kenny? Can you relate that to fields and space?
MileHigh
Quote from: picowatt on August 02, 2014, 02:53:16 AM
Why cannot magnetization just be the alignment of something in the pre-magnet substrate as is conventional thinking?
I.e., apply an external magnetic field to a NdFeB pre-magnet of sufficient strength to saturate the neo, domains align, remove external magnetic field, crystalline/molecular/electron properties of NdFeB causes retention of that alignment up to the Curie temp.
what "domains" , thats a BS description of the inter-atomic magneto-dielectric Same as "bloch wall" , its just a BS term assigned to formerly unknown phenomena.
You mean the hexagonal lattice of the Neo
>>>>>>>>>Why does
electricity have to enter into the mechanism involved at all?
coherency or increase in capacitance are BOTH "(di)electrical" by NATURE AND DEFINITION.
Id love you to show ANY system that ISNT dielectric, magnetic, and electric......... any such system is atomic in its very nature, by its very nature. Ergo your premise does NOT exist.
>>>Why cannot magnetization just be the alignment of something in the pre-magnet substrate as is conventional thinking?
Conventionally, you like most people think that "magnetism is driving a "magnet"...."
it isnt . .........Magnetism = radiation = polarization = creation of space.
Honestly, (no offense), but why the FUCK did you think
Faraday and JJ Thomson called magnetism "the dielectric FIELD" ???All spatial fields are resultants of radiation, of discharge, both connotatively and DEnotatively.
Radiation OF what BY what? ............again >>>>>>>>>>> magnetism is NOT "driving/running" a "magnet" PERIOD, and double period.
You, like MOST, are blaming flies (space, polarization) on the horseshit (magnetism)............
you LEFT OUT the Horse (dielectricity) as cause. ;D ;D
Once again "fallacy of attribute reification"
coherency of dielectric inertial from induction without increase in capacitance
OR increase in capacitance and having proportional (and higher gauss) macro-magnetic preponderances...
both of those are driven by dielectric interia as necessitated in ANY magnetic and dielectric conjugate system
Dont you even know the FIELD cross-section of AC transmission lines??? :o
The only damn thing giving MASS(iveness) to Matter/Mass IS magnetism. If you dont grasp that, you cannot grasp ANYTHING.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 02, 2014, 03:11:13 AM
You can't define a field either.
I DID define FIELD in the bookand have at LEAST a 300 page book on fields to be written as the next work...., with an ALREADY existent 150 pages of notes in 5 MS WORD files... and an additional 210+ pages of handwritten notes on same.
Checkmate
Quote from: d3x0r on August 02, 2014, 03:08:41 AM
@TA
You see no diffference between the figure you drew and the one recorded on ferrofilm?
D3X0R........as I mention in the video, the ONLY reason there isnt 100% perfect match is because the LED spacing is not 100% proportional on MY FERROCELL (only)
Sorry, but I didnt design the LED spacing to fit the lens circumference.
I mention this several places in in the video........ however that is JUST MY FERROCELL (not others)
TA,
Using various techniques to do so, "something" that follows the domain concept, i.e., magnetically aligned regions, has been imaged within and on the surface of a magnet that at least "looks" like domains as they were originally perceived. Pre and post magnetization imaging also reveals that these "domains", or "regions" form/align following magnetization.
As for the rest of your response, possibly someone else here that understands what you are saying will be kind enough to explain it further to me so that I too will understand.
PW
:-X
TA,
Using various techniques to do so, "something" that follows the domain concept, i.e., magnetically aligned regions, has been imaged within and on the surface of a magnet that at least "looks" like domains as they were originally perceived. Pre and post magnetization imaging also reveals that these "domains", or "regions" form/align following magnetization.
As for the rest of your response, possibly someone else here that understands your response will be kind enough to explain it further to me so that I too will understand (any takers?).
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 02, 2014, 04:20:47 AM
Pre and post magnetization imaging also reveals that these "domains", or "regions" form/align following magnetization.
YES, Ive seen the same nano-scale images. Nevertheless, that is still only seeing regions of coherent magnetism,
and not that which is producing same which is in fact ITSELF that which was causally aligned and therefore has resultant coherent, or aligned magnetic preponderances.
still a cart before the horse fallacious scenario or CORRECT observations and INCORRECT conclusions.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 02, 2014, 04:38:20 AM
YES, Ive seen the same nano-scale images. Nevertheless, that is still only seeing regions of coherent magnetism, and not that which is producing same which is in fact ITSELF that which was causally aligned and therefore has resultant coherent, or aligned magnetic preponderances.
still a cart before the horse fallacious scenario or CORRECT observations and INCORRECT conclusions.
According to convention, and as surmised long before these imaging capabilities were available, the domains are regions of similar alignment, with "buffering" regions (if you will) of lesser aligned regions in between. Also according to convention, each domain contains a large number of atomic or molecular structures each having a magnetic moment similarly aligned within a given domain.
When imaging the domains, we see the result of those atomic/molecular alignments reflected as the more macroscopic structures, i.e., domains.
Is this somewhat a question of semantics, that is, do you have a preference for some other word that describes what it is we see and what is referred to as a domain?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 02, 2014, 05:04:01 AM
According to convention, and as surmised long before these imaging capabilities were available, the domains are regions of similar alignment, with "buffering" regions (if you will) of lesser aligned regions in between. Also according to convention, each domain contains a large number of atomic or molecular structures each having a magnetic moment similarly aligned within a given domain.
When imaging the domains, we see the result of those atomic/molecular alignments reflected as the more macroscopic structures, i.e., domains.
Is this somewhat a question of semantics, that is, do you have a preference for some other word that describes what it is we see and what is referred to as a domain?
PW
the very term domain means nothing, the mitigating factor of observed differences of perfect alignment is due to:
1. crystalline boundaries which interfere with capacitance/ polarization
2. impurities
and a few other factors.
"magnetic moment" is also meaningless,
what aligns the double hyperbola of polarization is dielectricityYours and others analogies (all incorrect) is like saying the SPINDLE of a gyroscope (magnetism) "Aligns the flywheel" (electrical inertia i.e. DIELECTRIC INERTIA).......
its just the bloody opposite. The so-called magnetic moment (quantum bullshit) is gyromagnetic precession from the binding system within which there is both the conjugate field of magneto-dielectricity and AS NECESSITATED by definition of the discharging radiation of magnetism,
nucleal precessionalso called the Larmor frequency.
New Forms of Ferroic Order
Ferrotoroidicity
http://www.hikari.uni-bonn.de/research/multiferroics/new-forms-of-ferroic-order (http://www.hikari.uni-bonn.de/research/multiferroics/new-forms-of-ferroic-order)
Fig. 2:[/font] Ferrotoroidicity as spontaneous alignment of magnetic vortices. An example for a left-handed and a right-handed vortex yielding a toroidal moment out of and into the plane respectively, is shown in (a). A corresponding ferrotoroidic domain structure is shown in (b).[/font]
We could generate a small radial current and a large normal or circular current or vice versa, with two independent circuits. There is no parallel for this in classical mechanics.
Gravock
Quote from: Acca on August 02, 2014, 09:19:32 AM
New Forms of Ferroic Order
Ferrotoroidicity
http://www.hikari.uni-bonn.de/research/multiferroics/new-forms-of-ferroic-order (http://www.hikari.uni-bonn.de/research/multiferroics/new-forms-of-ferroic-order)
That shit link is riddled with flaws, such as :
" It is obtained by replacing the spins of the ferrotoroidic order by electric dipoles. "
Dielectricity HAS , definitionally no dipoles, only magnetic discharge polarization (=dipole).
Typical mental-midget "educated moron" level science
Like most other idiots, that site is blaming flies on horseshit rather than the HORSE. Same attribute reification fallacy.
Ive already prove the math that the "vortex" is just expanding and contracting interlacing UNIFORM SPHERES of divergent radiation and convergent dielectric voidance.
Nice link, too bad its more academic bullshit that sticks with the status quo of thinking magnetism is driving magnetism!~!!~~~!!!!!
Goddamn unfiltered fucking insanity.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 02, 2014, 01:11:59 PM
We could generate a small radial current and a large normal or circular current or vice versa, with two independent circuits. There is no parallel for this in classical mechanics.
Gravock
So, theyre discovering longitudinal dielectrics like Tesla did long ago.
Good to see humanity is discovering what Tesla was already doing and understood.......
@all
I have been looking into the tread for a week now i like it ..
@TheoriaApophasis
This is for one pole so is this what a mono ploe looks like and could you draw and explain the blochwall ..
Thanks
Best regards
Mark
Quote from: Mk1 on August 02, 2014, 07:42:13 PM
This is for one pole so is this what a mono ploe looks like and could you draw and explain the blochwall ..
polarity by definition negates a monopole
The "monopole" would be the dielectric inertial plane, which in discharge/radiation/POLARization would be the "monopole", however that still a nonsense statement , but the only thing close to a "monopole" is the dielectrical inertial of the so-called "magnet"
"bloch wall" means nothing, its a meaningless name given to an observed phenomena. Its the dielectric inertial plane which , in radiation/discharge is creating the macro-magnetism such that people call it a "magnet".
it is explained in full in the book, its a free download
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 02, 2014, 03:03:24 PM
That shit link is riddled with flaws, such as :
" It is obtained by replacing the spins of the ferrotoroidic order by electric dipoles. "
Dielectricity HAS , definitionally no dipoles, only magnetic discharge polarization (=dipole).
Typical mental-midget "educated moron" level science
Like most other idiots, that site is blaming flies on horseshit rather than the HORSE. Same attribute reification fallacy.
Ive already prove the math that the "vortex" is just expanding and contracting interlacing UNIFORM SPHERES of divergent radiation and convergent dielectric voidance.
Nice link, too bad its more academic bullshit that sticks with the status quo of thinking magnetism is driving magnetism!~!!~~~!!!!! Goddamn unfiltered fucking insanity.
The horse is not to blame for the flies. What are you taking daddy ? Nothing is to "blame" for the flies, they just are,
they do as flies do. That's like blaming the thermometer for the temperature. The thermometer is just an indicator of something
if you read it or use it wrong it's useless.
..
Heres one for you, WHEN YOU CAN EXPLAIN THE PIC BELOW, THEN YOU UNDERSTAND MAGNETISM A LOT BETTER
HINT: it wouldnt matter if the ring and disk were square , round doesnt matter.
2x2x1" BLOCK magnet
disk magnet can ONLY rest on the inertial plane, and the KNIFE EDGE THIN steel ring can ONLY rest perpendicular to the inertial plane
no glue, no tape, no tricks, all VERY VERY EASILY balanced.
TA,
Regarding the use of the word "domain" you said:
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 02, 2014, 05:11:04 AM
the very term domain means nothing
"Domain" is indeed a word and does does have a definition, such as this one from Wiki:
"A magnetic domain is a region within a magnetic material which has uniform magnetization."
Or this definition from you yourself:
Quote
"Nevertheless, that is still only seeing regions of coherent magnetism"
From this it would appear that what you understand a domain to be and what most everyone else understands a domain to be are one and the same. I.e., regions of a material within which the magnetic orientation is similar.
I do not understand your objection to the use of "domain", or how you can state that "the very term domain means nothing".
A common language is useful to understanding.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 02, 2014, 11:42:17 PM
TA,
Regarding the use of the word "domain" you said:
"Domain" is indeed a word and does does have a definition, such as this one from Wiki:
"A magnetic domain is a region within a magnetic material which has uniform magnetization."
YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT
THEY use that same BULLSHIT with the word FIELD "Field is a region, a region is a domain in which you can find a FIELD"
thats a CIRCULAR FALLACY ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yes, domain is a word, and its a DESCRIPTION OF AN OBSERVED PHENOMENA................
NOT an explanation.
a domain is a region, which is a field, which is a domain which is a region which is a field.....a domain is a region, which is a field, which is a domain which is a region which is a field.....a domain is a region, which is a field, which is a domain which is a region which is a field.....a domain is a region, which is a field, which is a domain which is a region which is a field.....a domain is a region, which is a field, which is a domain which is a region which is a field.....a domain is a region, which is a field, which is a domain which is a region which is a field.....a domain is a region, which is a field, which is a domain which is a region which is a field.....a domain is a region, which is a field, which is a domain which is a region which is a field.....a domain is a region, which is a field, which is a domain which is a region which is a field.....a domain is a region, which is a field, which is a domain which is a region which is a field.....a domain is a region, which is a field, which is a domain which is a region which is a field.....
CIRCULAR FALLACY HELL times 100X
Quote from: picowatt on August 02, 2014, 11:42:17 PM
I.e., regions of a material within which the magnetic orientation is similar.
youre STILL making the SAME mistake, your blaming polarization/radiation/divergence
Magnetism isnt driving/running/controlling the MAGNETISM in a "magnet"
PERIOD.
See a "domain" (flies), blame it on the magnetism , the HORSESHIT.................. sorry folks,
you left out the goddamn HORSE (dielectric capacitance increase AND/OR coherency of same increase).
TA,
At no time did I state that a domain is anything other than a region of a material of similar magnetic orientation.
It is a word with an accepted meaning. No one is saying that it is the "cause" of magnetization. But, apparently, as a mind reader, that is what you believe the word means to many, and it is not. I can find no reference that makes any claim other than the provided definitions (including yours). Lighten up. It seems as if it is only semantics
As for the magnet/ring alignment. I see nothing unexpected or remarkable. Rather than always seeing only what you want to see, ask yourself, by normal convention, why does this do as it is observed to do?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 01:02:48 AM
At no time did I state that a domain is anything other than a region of a material of similar magnetic orientation.
circular fallacy again.
domain = region = domain = region = domain = region =
I can name a newly discovered critter in a cave, that doesnt mean i understand a damn thing about it.
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 01:02:48 AM
No one is saying that it is the "cause" of magnetization.
99% of people INDEED say that a magnetism is "driving" magnetism. Even if you do not.
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 01:02:48 AM
As for the magnet/ring alignment. I see nothing unexpected or remarkable.
Well then, .....explaining it would be EASY for you then........... (insert answer) ;D ;D
@TheoriaApophasis
Thank you for the answer .
I would love to see a horse shoe magnet ..
Also do you think its posible to capture both dielactric and magnetic , and combine them in electric current , like some people claimed .
Ex http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hans_Coler_Magnetic_Power_Apparatus
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyers/meyers.htm
lets say i would make a coil exactly like the drawing in 3d would i need to make both side of the blochwall ?
Best regards
Mark
ps sorry i dont know the lingo yet.
TA,
How in the heck is using the word "domain" as it is defined a circular fallacy?
What "word" would you use to describe "a region within a magnetic material which has uniform magnetization"?
Are you trying to rewrite the English language too?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 01:37:59 AM
TA,
How in the heck is using the word "domain" as it is defined a circular fallacy?
What "word" would you use to describe "a region within a magnetic material which has uniform magnetization"?
words and descriptions are as useful as a
picture of a cooked turkey to a starving person, dont you get it????
Try explanations. To say a "region is a domain" IS a circular fallacy
The world is full of F*cking descriptions. ......................... I can get a 10 year old to tell me "magnets pull/ push on earth other"
That however is 100% USELESS
TA,
Trying to have a conversation with you is like two parties arguing about what shape the meeting table should be.
You apparently can't even agree on a common language to use without invoking your ire. Your post makes no sense.
Fortunately, the technically inclined people I deal with daily have agreed on a common language to use that is filled with technical jargon and definitions we all agree on. (We also treat each other with respect...)
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 02:51:37 AM
TA,
Trying to have a conversation with you is like two parties arguing about what shape the meeting table should be.
You apparently can't even agree on a common language
language isnt the issue, COMPREHENSION IS..........
. descriptions are for fools. Explanations are for the wise.I dont care if you call it a domain OR dog poo. That isnt the point.
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 02:51:37 AM
Fortunately, the technically inclined people I deal with daily have agreed on a common language to use that is filled with technical jargon and definitions we all agree on. (We also treat each other with respect...)
I know MANY LANGUAGES, you?
Technical jargon is fine, and its aluminum....................,
comprehension is GOLD
Ken as you have flipped my world of magnet terminiolgy and now I am grasping (slow) at the postulates. Now even if magnetism is such a thing ?
You did shake up (earthquake) my ****** (blank) and it's time get those postulates proven in a for profit device, (weapon that is a (electron ??) destabilizer of charge and discharge potential) matter (matter electron field)... It "seems" that your postulated of electron matter may have found the answer as to the destabilization of (atomic bonds) electron matter.. John Hutchinson has proof that destabilization of electron matter (atomic bonds) is made through weak dielectric (magnetism).. I just would have to guess as what your postulates may mean in the battle for the best weapon and that is, that a weapon made of matter is now obsolete....
Looks like the more dense the material (metal) the better the effect.. However if matter electron field is in fact matter, then the dooms day weapon is possible.. Hutchnison effect is this effect on the "magnetic makeup" of matter.. If RF is used in combination with a dielectric (electrostatic charge) and matter is magnetism, then it also answers my enigma of paulis exclusion principle (means that the repulsive distance is shorter due to an attractive electrostatic charge) in my metal magnetic repulsion of small spheres....by that is my discovery.. monetized already..
J.Hutchinson effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-YwbgXpnkA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-YwbgXpnkA)
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This episode's featured guest was the one and only, John Hutchinson. We discussed several things that point to a variant of the Hutchinson Effect being deployed on September 11, 2001 to bring down not just WTC 1, 2, and 7, but also 3, 4, some of 5 and most of 6. In addition to demolition explosives such as thermite, even more exotic technology seems to have been in play to turn the buildings to dust so that by the time they "fell", there was virtually no rubble pile.
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Quote from: Acca on August 03, 2014, 06:38:57 AM
J.Hutchinson effect
Yes, Ive met him once and talked to him twice, he shacked up with some crazy woman and now hes even MORE nuts.
He was also caught faking 2 of his demo videos.
nevertheless, there could be reasons for that obviously.
He doesnt really experiment anymore like he used .........now hes got a ugly "wife" or something and she rules his life
TA,
I continue to be uncertain as to what you believe happens during the process of magnetization.
You originally stated that during the magnetization process, electrical current was discharged thru the poles of the pre-magnet. When questioned on this, you either back pedaled, or realized you misspoke, and began instead to talk about induction. This would still seem to indicate that you believe that the magnetization process is more so related to an electrical phenomenon. As well, you seem to indicate that whatever it is that you believe happens within the pre-magnet during magnetization is related to Faraday's law.
If you would, please try to explain a bit more regarding what you believe is actually happening within the pre-magnet during the process of magnetization so that it can be better understood.
PW
TA,
For clarity, I am posting the following quotes taken from your replies to me wherein you are explaining the process of magnetization as you see it. Lest you, or the reader, accuse me of any "exclusion fallacy", I encourage you, or the reader to re-read a bit of this thread beginning with reply #444 (July 22 page 30). I have a few questions regarding what is said by you in the following quotes, and am posting these quotes here so that you can better appreciate my understanding of what it is you are teaching.
Quote
Let me give you a clue AGAIN-
"magnets" are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE (pre-) "POLES" (at which time they are of course "PRE-magnetized [rather pre-dielectrified]" ceramics)
Current is discharged thru the ENTIRE F-ing magnet
Does the word "induction" ring a bell to you? (not magnetic INDUCTION), but the induction used to CREATE a "magnet".
Magnets are not "MAGNETIZED", thats magnetic induction from a magnet TO a piece of iron IN THE MAG FIELD, for example. That is magnetic field INDUCTION.
a "magnet" has an enormous dis-equalibrium between the interatomic magneto-dielectric, also as increased by the NeoFeBoron ceramic structure.
All that magnetism IN a NEO is powered by the charge potential increase FROM the discharged electromagnetic coils INTO the entire F-ing Neo-Fe-Boron "pre-magnet".
Current is discharged thru the ENTIRE F-ing magnet, which creates, resultantly this magneto-dielectric structure:
Does the word "induction" ring a bell to you? (not magnetic INDUCTION), but the induction used to CREATE a "magnet"
Oh hell, look wireless INDUCTION powering a light bulb!!! how "new" (wait, no its not).
Please wise the hell up, no offense.
That charge dumps from the banks to the coil INTO THE "MAGNETS", son, is what causes the dis-equilibrium and creates that Finger-Breaking Neo-Magnet (that you have no clue how it works)
I suggest you learn what ELECTRICAL INDUCTION IS
In a magnetizer station, an enormous INDUCTIVE CHARGE IS DUMPED into the pre-"magnet" to create the "magnet" (of which a portion is retained, resultant with the magneto-dielectric dis-equalibrium of the , now, "magnet").
Again, suggest you look up the word INDUCTION
THAT IS, if you think you cannot fry bacon wirelessly between two INDUCTION COILS (which you can) I thought you were smarter than that (guess not).
An inductive charge is placed from the cap banks, thru the coils and THRU the "magnet" , of which a portion of the charge is left "permanently" remaining
Just like running a fast river for an instant in the sand, leaving a permanent "mark", in this case, the "mark" is the dis-equilibrium of the magneto-dielectric in and of the (now) "magnet".
Let me WISE YOU THE HECK up (no offense, honestly) ....
CONTACT electrification, and INDUCTION electrification are BOTH #&*@(@(@ ELECTRIFICATION
Dead wrong son. Brief LARGE AMOUNT OF CURRENT you mean.
You're as clueless as a goddamn lemming. You dont (still) GET the fucking word "MAGNETIZE" , Magnetization (as implied resultant magnetism in the "magnet") is the TERMINATION OF ELECTRICITY moron.......... Even a 8th grade book on electricity will tell you that son.
How the FUCK did you think you created a FINGER CRUSHING NEO MAGNET? Its inductively CHARGED at the dielectric from the Cap banks, to the coils INTO the Magnet.
Let me give you a fucking heads up on the word "ELECTROMAGNET"........OK, Its OVERWHELMINGLY ELECTRICAL, with resultant strong magnetic (temporary) charge.
Yes, moron, the magnet is electrically INDUCED BY the ELECTRIC INDUCTION from the ELECTO-magnet. Wise the ever loving hell up boy.
NOW ask how you create a (very WEAK) permanent magnet with a STRONG magnet?
YOU STROKE IT with the strong magnet and align the dielectricity in a coherent fashion in the steel bar ,etc,... to create resultant macro-magnetic polarization
Ohhhhhhhh, and WHY IS A MAGNET MADE THIS WAY SO STINKING WEAK IN POWER?? because it was not, IS NOT, HAS NOT been electrified from a HUGE inductive electrical DUMP
So, you're saying you STILL havent learned about wireless touchless induction?
TA,
In the quotes provided in my previous post, you raise several points.
First, you make a distinction between a weak magnet and a powerful magnet. You also make a distinction between a magnet created by "magnetic" induction and one created by "electrical" induction. Conventional thinking would say that the mechanism involved in producing both a weak or a strong magnet are the same. It makes little sense that there would need to be two different mechanisms involved to accomplish the same task (magnetization) dependent upon whether a weak or strong magnet is desired.
Where would one draw the line defining a weak magnet and a strong magnet? If one has a powerful neo focused to a gap and places a much smaller neo, alnico, or creamic pre-magnet into the gap, surely a confuguration could be acheived wherein the pre-magnet is saturated with the resulting new magnet retaining as much magnetic alignment as could be acheived with either this "magnetically" induced method or one using "electrical" induction (i.e., once saturation is acheived, there can be no further increase in the pre-magnet's field irregardless of the method used). This method, "magnetic induction" as you refer to it, seems to be in line with conventional thinking with regard to how all pre-magnet's are magnetized, i.e., the alignment of magnetic moments within the pre-magnet to an externally applied magnetic field.
Regarding the idea that electrical current is induced into the magnet in your "electrical" induction method for producing powerful magnets, I remain unsure as to how you envision this process. First, it should be obvious that large capacitors are not used to discharge large currents and voltages DIRECTLY THRU the poles of a pre-magnet. One would also expect the poles of a magnetizer to insulate or provide a gap in at least one of its pole pieces to prevent the formation of a single turn loop, as would happen when an electrically conductive pre-magnet is placed across the magnetizer's pole pieces. One can only imagine the poles of the pre-magnet being welded to the poles of the magnetizer, or the plating being blasted from a neo if this were allowed to happen.
As well, consider an electrically non-conductive resin bonded neo or ceramic, how indeed are large currents to pass thru these non-conductive pre-magnets?
You speak of the wireless transfer of electricity and electrical induction as if this is actually the mechanism involved (as opposed to the passing of current directly thru the pre-magnet as originally stated). Again, the issue of electrically non-conductive magnets arises, as where are these induced currents supposed to be flowing? Possibly you mean to say that this electrical current is induced directly into the atomic structure of the pre-magnet's atoms, with no macroscopic current flows required within or thru the bulk of the pre-magnet's material.
If the involved mechanism with regard to magnetizing a pre-magnet were indeed due to electrical induction, then as per Faraday, the degree with which we can magnetize the pre-magnet should also be a function of the RATE of change of the magnetizer's field.
For example, let's say we have an electromagnet (or any magnet actually) so arranged that it can apply a 100,000 oersted field to pre-magnet. Based on "magnetic induction" as you call it, and conventional thinking, the largest field that can be produced in the pre-magnet (and ultimately retained thereby) is only a function of the maximum strength of the field produced by the magnetizing magnet. That is, the rate at which the magnetizing field is applied has no bearing on the strength achieved in the new magnet.
If instead, we consider instead your claim of electrical induction as being the involved mechanism, one would expect that not only the maximum field strength applied, but as well, the RATE at which that field is applied to determine the strength of the new magnet produced (as per Faraday). In the example above, if we consider "electrical induction" as the magnetizing mechanism, applying the power to the electromagnet in a short, fast pulse would produce a more powerful magnet than would slowly ramping up and down the voltage to the electromagnet, irregardless of achieving an identical peak field strength in both cases. If this is indeed your thinking, that is an experimentally testable hypothesis and, most likely, the results to same are likely already known.
Back in the days of AlNiCo, it was common on assembly lines to use a conveyer system to pass the alnico pre-magnet's between the poles of a huge u-shaped electromagnet fed by continuous DC. As well, even today, eddy currents induced into electrically conductive pre-magnets by fast pulses are both problematic and desirable to avoid. The eddy currents produce fields in opposition to the magnetizing field (limiting achievable strength) and as well produce undesired heating within the pre-magnet. Also, with respect to sintered NdFeB magnets, the nickel, or nickel over copper plating, typically applied to their exterior is most certainly a far better conductor than the sintered matrix. Any electrical current induced in these magnets would most likely be concentrated in the plating, causing significant temperature rise there (perhaps to the point of damaging the plating). Because of this, even in pulsed magnetizers, the rate of change must be controlled to some degree to prevent overly powerful eddy currents and heating (at least with electrically conductive pre-magnets).
With all of the above said, I have difficulty believing that the magnetization process is primarily electrical in nature (other than Lorenz forces acting within the pre-magnet against the applied field).
However, I will try to contact an engineer this week that should be able to answer any question regarding magnetization strength being a function of rate of change of the magnetizer's field (or the rate at which the pre-magnet is made to advance towards, or recede from, the poles of a fixed magnetizer field). Possibly this does have an effect which would support your contentions. However, if only the peak field strength achieved is the determinant, and not the rate, I would say this to be in further support of conventional thinking.
PW
Well, that's a remarkable collection, picowatt! I think the readers will get the full picture of what Kenny-boy believes about magnetizing bulk material from that, and also the nature of his arguments in support of his beliefs.
But remember how he couldn't provide an actual reference citation way back then when I first challenged him to do so?
Here he makes another statement:
QuoteMagnetization (as implied resultant magnetism in the "magnet") is the TERMINATION OF ELECTRICITY moron.......... Even a 8th grade book on electricity will tell you that son.
(sic)
I want to see an actual reference that supports THIS statement. Where is a reference that shows that an 8th grade book on electricity tells you that "Magnetization is the TERMINATION OF ELECTRICITY?" Moron?
Graduated college early did he? I guess he missed the part where students are taught how to cite references, according to one of several different publication and editorial standards.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 03, 2014, 04:53:17 PM
Well, that's a remarkable collection, picowatt! I think the readers will get the full picture of what Kenny-boy believes about magnetizing bulk material from that, and also the nature of his arguments in support of his beliefs.
But remember how he couldn't provide an actual reference citation way back then when I first challenged him to do so?
Here he makes another statement: (sic)
I want to see an actual reference that supports THIS statement. Where is a reference that shows that an 8th grade book on electricity tells you that "Magnetization is the TERMINATION OF ELECTRICITY?" Moron?
Graduated college early did he? I guess he missed the part where students are taught how to cite references, according to one of several different publication and editorial standards.
TK,
Note that in my second post above, I propose a testable hypothesis regarding "rate of change" of the magnetizing field.
I would appreciate your comments..
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 12:33:00 PM
I continue to be uncertain as to what you believe happens during the process of magnetization.
You originally stated that during the magnetization process, electrical current was discharged thru the poles of the pre-magnet. When questioned on this, you either back pedaled, or realized you misspoke, and began instead to talk about induction. This would still seem to indicate that you believe that the magnetization process is more so related to an electrical phenomenon.
I never back pedaled on ANYTHING.
How can you discharge thru the "POLES of a PRE-'magnet'" ????? It , at that time, has NO polarization (=radiation=discharge=creating space)
You KEEP CALLING it magnetization........well, as stated CLEARLY in the book, a "magnet" is not a (dominant) "MAGNET(ism)", its either----
1. has increased high dielectric capacitance from a discharge induction with resultant macro-atomic radiative discharge
2. Is dominantly dielectrically-coherent
without an increase in dielectric capacitance, it is in magnetic induction or has been induced and been "magnetized"
(wrong word however) by another magnet (stroking a magnet on a soft steel bar etc.) which aligns the inter-atomic dielectricity without any increase in its capacitance (the iron bar).
3. Magnetism is radiation OF something BY something ELSE..........Magnetism isnt driving/running/creating MAGNETISM.........so use deduction to figure that one out.
Why do you think they call it "magnetic PINCH" ???? What the hell is driving and "pinching" the radiation/magnetism OUTWARDS into radiative vortex formations (really expanding and contracting [centrifugal] spheres)
NOW, YOU SAID LAST PAGE YOU COULD EXPLAIN THE PICTURE BELOW "EASILY"............do so please. see video also:::
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar9Tq7fSOGI
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 12:33:00 PM
As well, you seem to indicate that whatever it is that you believe happens within the pre-magnet during magnetization is related to Faraday's law.
Now explain, since you like Faraday, to explain "Magnetism is the DIELECTRIC FIELD"- FARADAY
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 05:09:49 PM
TK,
Note that in my second post above, I propose a testable hypothesis regarding RATE.
I would appreciate your comments..
PW
Well, normally I would refer to the established literature on industrial processes for magnetizing bulk material, Gauss's law for magnetism, Maxwell's equations especially the Faraday-Maxwell equation, QED and so on. But you have seen by now that it is impossible to argue reasonably with someone who not only knows everything already, but already knows that everything _you_ know is wrong.
We also know that the Greatest Buddhist Scientist does not deign to perform True Experiments that actually test formally stated hypotheses by inverting them and attempting to disprove the resultant null. He prefers confirmatory demonstrations; they are much less challenging and are easier to stuff into one's preferred world view.
So here is what I think: No amount of experimental evidence will be accepted by Kenny-boy if it contradicts or fails to support his wild Theory of Everything, and he will not fail to continue to insult you in the most disrespectful manner possible, the more so the more evidence you present.
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 03:35:56 PM
For clarity, I am posting the following quotes taken from your replies to me wherein you are explaining the process of magnetization
FALLACY HELLYou gave the entire quote.
however YOU , above, indicate I am referring to "magnetization", magnetism is RADIATION, what ULTIMATELY has increased magnetism has MUCH MUCH MORE either:
1. dielectric capacitance
3. coherent dielectric alignment from sheer induction only.
Kenny:
What's a "dielectric" when you discuss magnets?
What's "dielectric capacitance?"
"aligns the inter-atomic dielectricity" sounds to me like you are talking about magnetic domains. Is that the case?
"increase in its capacitance (the iron bar)" - how do you define "capacitance" in this context?
QuoteWhat the hell is driving and "pinching" the radiation/magnetism OUTWARDS into radiative vortex formations (really expanding and contracting [centrifugal] spheres)
- it's all just little electrons swimming in circles like happy fish. Remember - a moving charge creates a magnetic field. That is the fundamental building block of everything. No moving charges and then no magnetic fields.
MileHigh
Quotemagnetism is RADIATION
What does that mean? What is the form of the radiation? Does it propagate like regular EM radiation?
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 03, 2014, 05:23:56 PM
Well, normally I would refer to the established literature on industrial processes for magnetizing bulk material, Gauss's law for magnetism, Maxwell's equations especially the Faraday-Maxwell equation, QED and so on. But you have seen by now that it is impossible to argue reasonably with someone who not only knows everything already, but already knows that everything _you_ know is wrong.
We also know that the Greatest Buddhist Scientist does not deign to perform True Experiments that actually test formally stated hypotheses by inverting them and attempting to disprove the resultant null. He prefers confirmatory demonstrations; they are much less challenging and are easier to stuff into one's preferred world view.
So here is what I think: No amount of experimental evidence will be accepted by Kenny-boy if it contradicts or fails to support his wild Theory of Everything, and he will not fail to continue to insult you in the most disrespectful manner possible, the more so the more evidence you present.
TK,
I will try to contact some engineers this week that should be able to answer the rate question. I know there is a minimum time the that field must be applied to allow the the moments to to align, but this is typically a very short period.
As for the rest of what he proposes, much of it seems to be just semantics. There is no "electron", but there is a "terminon" or equivalent, that is, a region of space possessing properties that do indeed act like an electron by any other name, which repels itself, is attracted to positive charges, can be controlled as we do and follows all the math and rules we have thus far been able to produce for it.
Apparently, nothing, so far, that TA proposes, makes any unique predictions or falsifies any existing rules or math in support of his teachings over conventional theory.
Other than prohibiting the use of certain words, definitions, or labels in exchange for new ones, what is the point?
PW
Yes I think with the help of a Babel fish once can conclude that Kenny is just talking about ordinary magnetic phenomena.
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 04:47:50 PM
Conventional thinking would say that the mechanism involved in producing both a weak or a strong magnet are the same. It makes little sense that there would need to be two different mechanisms involved to accomplish the same task (magnetization) dependent upon whether a weak or strong magnet is desired.
By CONVENTIONAL, you mean ignorance. You have 2 conjugate fields, dielectricity and magnetism in EVERY ATOM that exists. .....
I can use a strong "magnet" (dielectric object) to create dielectric coherency IN soft iron WITHOUT increasing the capacitance and create a "weak magnet" out of the soft iron.
NOT "2 diff mechanism", 2 diff methods of doing the same thing, one by inductive capacitance increase, the other by coherent dielectric alignment in what IS ALREADY PRESENT BUT INCOHERENT.
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 04:47:50 PM
, the alignment of magnetic moments within the pre-magnet to an externally applied magnetic field.
Now answer your OWN question, how does magnetism interact with dielectricity??????
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 04:47:50 PM
Regarding the idea that electrical current is induced into the magnet in your "electrical" induction method for producing powerful magnets, I remain unsure as to how you envision this process. First, it should be obvious that large capacitors are not used to discharge large currents and voltages DIRECTLY THRU the poles of a pre-magnet. One would also expect the poles of a magnetizer to insulate or provide a gap in at least one of its pole pieces to prevent the formation of a single turn loop, as would happen when an electrically conductive pre-magnet is placed across the magnetizer's pole pieces. One can only imagine the poles of the pre-magnet being welded to the poles of the magnetizer, or the plating being blasted from a neo if this were allowed to happen.
Electricity TERMINATES AS (not into) magnetism, where did you think the dielectric component of the electrical discharge from the coils WENT???? Phi X Psi = Q (electrification).
I keep forgetting that you have NO CLUE what wireless INDUCTION (OF POWER) is!!
"poles of the premanget" ??? what the hell, a "pre-magnet" has no POLES, it hasnt been polarized YET.
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 04:47:50 PM
As well, consider an electrically non-conductive resin bonded neo or ceramic, how indeed are large currents to pass thru these non-conductive pre-magnets?
You're confusing conduction with (dielectric) capacitance, and likewise appear to be clueless about wireless charge induction!!!!! To answer your question, YOU TELL ME how I can CHARGE a "non-conductive" piece of GLASS with enough DIELECTRIC (electrostatic) charge to STOP A PERSONS heart??????????
suggest you read this and wise up:
http://journal.borderlands.com/1987/the-fallacy-of-conductors/
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 04:47:50 PM
You speak of the wireless transfer of electricity and electrical induction as if this is actually the mechanism involved (as opposed to the passing of current directly thru the pre-magnet as originally stated). Again, the issue of electrically non-conductive magnets arises, as where are these induced currents supposed to be flowing? Possibly you mean to say that this electrical current is induced directly into the atomic structure of the pre-magnet's atoms, with no macroscopic current flows required within or thru the bulk of the pre-magnet's material.
Wireless power transfer is a WELL KNOWN and WELL PATENTED technology, sorry your mind is in the STONE AGE.
Ever heard of this new invention called a solenoid???? ROFL !!!!
"""as opposed to the passing of current directly thru the pre-magnet""
So, in your mental farht, you think current induction with wires, and current induction by field-induction are 2 diff things??????? INTERESTING.
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 04:47:50 PM
If the involved mechanism with regard to magnetizing a pre-magnet were indeed due to electrical induction, then as per Faraday, the degree with which we can magnetize the pre-magnet should also be a function of the RATE of change of the magnetizer's field.
NO, and its obvious you never read FARADAY NOR MAXWELL, I will get the quote here in a bit.
Nothing is "magnetized", DUMMY, magnetism is radiation, what is manipulated is the dielectric.
TA,
So you do agree then, that the mechanism you propose, must obey Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction?
(just as those wireless power transfer systems do)
That is, your "electrical induction" method must be RATE dependent.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 05:36:50 PM
Apparently, nothing, so far, that TA proposes, makes any unique predictions or falsifies any existing rules or math in support of his teachings over conventional theory.
Except for the fact that you and everyone else has NO idea, NONE
1. what a "magnet" is
2. that magnetism is radiation OF something (diectricity, the "dielectric field") BY something (same).
3. You have NO clue (nor does anyone else) that so-called "magnetic attraction/ repulsion" does not even exist, and CANNOT EXIST
4. Radiation/discharges ATTRACT NOTHING...........they displace things, but they ATTRACT NOTHING
A LOT has been falsified, with enormous evidences for all above. With continued further proof of same.
Not to mention 100% in line with ALL observed Phenomena
You, in your typical rancid insanity (like most) ......FORGET that "correct observation and testing and results" DOES NOT, OFTEN DOES NOT = CORRECT CONCLUSIONSFaraday was the originator of the concept of =the magnetic field, (which is described in terms of "magnetic curves" our present day "magnetic lines of force") however HE NEVER SO MUCH AS SUGGESTED in his works that induced currents were a resultant of changing magnetic fields. ON THE CONTRARY, he clearly associated the phenomena of electromagnetic induction with changing electrical currents.
As per Maxwell, he TOO considered EM induction as a phenomena in which a current (or EM force) is induced in a circuit. but not as a phenomena in which a changing magnetic field causes an electrical field. He CLEARLY said tha the induced EM force is "MEASURED BY, not CAUSED BY the changing mag field"
Just as Faraday, he made NO allusion to ANY CAUSAL link between magnetic and electric fields
----- Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko
Several authors have asserted that the magnetic field due to an electric current is a relativistic effect. This assertion is based on the fact that if one assumes that the interaction between electric charges is entirely due to the electric field, then the relativistic force transformation equations make it imperative that a second field - the magnetic field - is present when the charges are moving. However, as is shown in this paper, if one assumes that the interaction between moving electric charges is entirely due to the magnetic field, then the same relativistic force transformation equations make it imperative that a second field - this time the electric field - is also present. Therefore, since it is impossible to interpret both the electric and the magnetic field as relativistic effects, one must conclude that neither field is a relativistic effect. The true meaning of the calculations demonstrating the alleged relativistic nature of the magnetic field and of the calculations presented in this paper is, therefore, that the idea of a single force field, be it magnetic or electric, is incompatible with the relativity theory.
As is clear from equations (1)–(15) and (23), relativistic
force transformation equations demand the presence of
an electric field when the interactions between electric
charges are assumed to be entirely due to a magnetic
force. We could interpret this result as the evidence
that the electric field is a relativistic effect. But the
well known fact that similar calculations demand the
presence of a magnetic field, if the interactions between
the charges are assumed to be entirely due to an electric
force, makes such an interpretation impossible (unless
we are willing to classify both the magnetic and the
electric field as relativistic effects, which is absurd).
We must conclude therefore that neither the magnetic
nor the electric field is a relativistic effect
.
The only correct interpretation of our results must
then be that interactions between electric charges that
are either entirely velocity independent or entirely
velocity dependent is incompatible with the relativity
theory. Both fields—the electric field (producing a force
independent
of the velocity of the charge experiencing
the force) and the magnetic field (producing a force
dependent
on the velocity of the charge experiencing
the force)—are necessary to make interactions between
electric charges relativistically correct. By inference
then, any force field compatible with the relativity theory
must have an electric-like 'subfield' and a magnetic-like
'subfield'
if force is defined as the cause of acceleration, then the
equation F = ma , where F is the force and a is the acceleration, is a causal equation by
definition.
Force IS (coeternal) MxA, not Force "is the product of (CAUSATION)" ma
Proving again, that their causation is spatial, and space are in fields, but no fields in space.
Let us apply these considerations to the basic electromagnetic field laws. Traditionally
these laws are represented by the four Maxwell's equations, which, in their differential form,
are
∇ · D = ρ, (1)
∇ · B = 0, (2)
∇ Å~E = −∂B
∂t
, (3)
and
∇ Å~H = J +
∂D
∂t
, (4)
where E is the electric field vector, D is the displacement vector,H is themagnetic field vector,
B is the magnetic flux density vector, J is the current density vector, and ρ is the electric charge
density. For fields in a vacuum,Maxwell's equations are supplemented by the two constitutive
equations,
D = ε0E (5)
and
B = μ0H, (6)
where ε0 is the permittivity of space, and μ0 is the permeability of space.
Since none of the four Maxwell's equations is defined to be a causal relation, and since
each of these equations connects quantities simultaneous in time, none of these equations
represents a causal relation. That is, ∇ · D is not a consequence of ρ (and vice versa),∇ Å~E
is not a consequence of ∂B/∂t (and vice versa), and∇ Å~H is not a consequence of J + ∂D/∂t
(and vice versa). Thus, Maxwell's equations, even though they are basic electromagnetic
equations (since most electromagnetic relations are derivable from them), do not depict causeand-
effect relations between electromagnetic
It is traditionally asserted that, according toMaxwell's equation (3), a changing magnetic field
produces an electric field ('Faraday induction') and that, according toMaxwell's equation (4),
a changing electric field produces a magnetic field ('Maxwell induction'). The very useful
and successful method of calculating induced voltage (emf) in terms of changing magnetic
flux appears to support the reality of Faraday induction. And the existence of electromagnetic
waves appears to support the reality of both Faraday induction and Maxwell induction. Note,
however, that as explained in section 1, Maxwell's equation (3), which is usually considered
as depicting Faraday induction, does not represent a cause-and-effect relation because in this
equation the electric and themagnetic field is evaluated for the samemoment of time. Note also
that in electromagnetic waves electric and magnetic fields are in phase, that is, simultaneous
in time, and hence, according to the principle of causality (which states that the cause always
precedes its effect), the two fields cannot cause each other (by the principle of causality, the
fields should be out of phase if they create each other).
And there is one more fact that supports the conclusion that what we call 'electromagnetic
induction' is not the creation of one of the two fields by the other. In the covariant formulation
of electrodynamics, electric and magnetic fields appear as components of one single entity—
the electromagnetic field tensor (dielectric). Quite clearly, a component of a tensor cannot be a cause of
another component of the same tensor, just like a component of a vector cannot be a cause of
another component of the same vector.
electromagnetic field tensor (sometimes called the field strength tensor, Faraday tensor or Maxwell bivector) is a mathematical object that describes the electromagnetic field of a physical system.
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 05:09:49 PM
I would appreciate your comments..
You said 2 pages ago you could "EASILY EXPLAIN" the picture below.....
DO it, or admit you have NO damn clue.
its no trick, its simple, NO glue, NO tape........nothing..........
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 03, 2014, 04:53:17 PM
I want to see an actual reference that supports THIS statement. Where is a reference that shows that an 8th grade book on electricity tells you that "Magnetization is the TERMINATION OF ELECTRICITY?" Moron?
How did you think a solenoid or electromagnet WORKED moron? ;D ;D Pathetic
Phi (magnetism) x Psi (dielectric) = Q Planck (electrification)
The discharge of electricity in losing its dielectric component LEAVES you with the radiation/termination = Magnetism
Quote from: MileHigh on August 03, 2014, 05:33:21 PM
- it's all just little electrons swimming in circles like happy fish. Remember - a moving charge creates a magnetic field. That is the fundamental building block of everything. No moving charges and then no magnetic fields.
MileHigh
Sorry asshole, FIELDS (which you cannot define)
NOR wireless power transmission thru a VACUUM has jack shit to do with particles, much less imaginary ones like "electrons"
IDIOT ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Go LEARN what the fuck an "electron" is you mental midget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc5ns3eI7k
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 03, 2014, 06:00:26 PM
Sorry asshole, FIELDS (which you cannot define) NOR wireless power transmission thru a VACUUM has jack shit to do with particles, much less imaginary ones like "electrons"
IDIOT ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Go LEARN what the fuck an "electron" is you mental midget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc5ns3eI7k
I doubt you will find many engineering types here that think they are spraying electrons at the receiving coil in a wireless power transfer system. In fact, there are those here that could actually design and build such systems.
PW
How about my squiggly thingie? What's that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 04:47:50 PM
If instead, we consider instead your claim of electrical induction as being the involved mechanism, one would expect that not only the maximum field strength applied, but as well, the RATE at which that field is applied to determine the strength of the new magnet produced (as per Faraday). In the example above, if we consider "electrical induction" as the magnetizing mechanism, applying the power to the electromagnet in a short, fast pulse would produce a more powerful magnet than would slowly ramping up and down the voltage to the electromagnet, irregardless of achieving an identical peak field strength in both cases. If this is indeed your thinking, that is an experimentally testable hypothesis and, most likely, the results to same are likely already known.
You are terminally stupid.
Wrong, its called the "limit of DIELECTRIC SATURATION" ................ you have NEVER read Maxwell, Steinmetz, nor Heaviside, this much is 100% OBVIOUS.
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 04:47:50 PM
Back in the days of AlNiCo, it was common on assembly lines to use a conveyer system to pass the alnico pre-magnet's between the poles of a huge u-shaped electromagnet fed by continuous DC. As well, even today, eddy currents induced into electrically conductive pre-magnets by fast pulses are both problematic and desirable to avoid. The eddy currents produce fields in opposition to the magnetizing field (limiting achievable strength) and as well produce undesired heating within the pre-magnet. Also, with respect to sintered NdFeB magnets, the nickel, or nickel over copper plating, typically applied to their exterior is most certainly a far better conductor than the sintered matrix. Any electrical current induced in these magnets would most likely be concentrated in the plating, causing significant temperature rise there (perhaps to the point of damaging the plating). Because of this, even in pulsed magnetizers, the rate of change must be controlled to some degree to prevent overly powerful eddy currents and heating (at least with electrically conductive pre-magnets).
So, in your insane stupidity have you FORGOTTEN the diff. between DIelectricity and ELECTRICITY???????????? Idiot
Phi (mag) x Psi (dielectric) = Q (PLANCK / electricity).
You are , again, "terminally stupid"
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 04:47:50 PM
With all of the above said, I have difficulty believing that the magnetization process is primarily electrical in nature (other than Lorenz forces acting within the pre-magnet against the applied field).
Magnetize what son? Magnetism is POSTERIOR, is the RESULTANT Of a CHARGE in discharge (= magnetism = polarization).
Where the hell did you think the charge transferred the capacitance to dummy??? ROFL
Again, TERMINALLY STUPID ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 04:47:50 PM
However, I will try to contact an engineer this week that should be able to answer any question regarding magnetization strength being a function of rate of change of the magnetizer's field (or the rate at which the pre-magnet is made to advance towards, or recede from, the poles of a fixed magnetizer field). Possibly this does have an effect which would support your contentions. However, if only the peak field strength achieved is the determinant, and not the rate, I would say this to be in further support of conventional thinking.
So, youre going to ask AN IDIOT to verify existing IDIOCY????????????????? Haaa!!!!
strength has several variables, cintering, hexagonal matrix of the NeoFeBoron, composition, etc etc
mostly however "limit of DIELECTRIC SATURATION".
So again, are you saying that the mechanism involved in aligning the magnetic moments of a pre-magnet are rate dependent as per Faraday?
In other words, given a magnetizing field of a certain strength (oersteds), it is not just the peak flux value acheived but rather the rate at which that peak flux is applied (i.e., dV/dt) that determines the strength of the flux in and retained by the pre-magnet? Even below saturation, do you believe there is a rate dependency? (with saturation defined as the maximum number of magnetic moments that can be caused to align within the pre-magnet)
PW
(Also, an effort on your part to show a bit more respect would be most appreciated)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 03, 2014, 05:57:49 PM
How did you think a solenoid or electromagnet WORKED moron? ;D ;D Pathetic
Phi (magnetism) x Psi (dielectric) = Q Planck (electrification)
The discharge of electricity in losing its dielectric component LEAVES you with the radiation/termination = Magnetism
Thank you for demonstrating that, ONCE AGAIN, you cannot cite a proper reference that supports your claim that even an eighth-grade book says that "Magnetism is the TERMINATION OF ELECTRICITY." Moron!
Maybe you should have stayed in college a little longer, so you could have learned how to back up your silly claims with proper reference citations. Of course... if there actually ARE NO such references, as in each case I have challenged you on..... you can always resort to your standard argument: I am an idiot, terminally stupid and you know everything. That will show them all what a Great Buddhist Scientist you really are. Won't it? You don't need no stinking REFERENCES that support your wild claims .... all you need is to assert.
Of course... when it comes to ENGINEERING.... your assertions fall flat on their face and you must resort to those equations you revile and the people you call idiots like Feynman and Einstein... because their models WORK and yours DO NOT.
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 06:16:31 PM
So again, are you saying that the mechanism involved in aligning the magnetic moments of a pre-magnet are rate dependent as per Faraday?
In other words, given a magnetizing field of a certain strength (oersteds), it is not just the peak flux value acheived but rather the rate at which that peak flux is applied (i.e., dV/dt) that determines the strength of the flux in and retained by the pre-magnet? Even below saturation, do you believe there is a rate dependency? (with saturation defined as the maximum number of magnetic moments that can be caused to align within the pre-magnet)
PW
(Also, an effort on your part to show a bit more respect would be most appreciated)
Surely you jest. You can go back years, looking at his saved blogs, his comments on Amazon, his "largest Metaphysical site on the net", all of that, and you will never see this leopard changing his spots. His rhetorical "style" has gotten him banned from forum after forum and even from blog-hosting sites. That is why he needs so many different internet aliases!
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 06:05:04 PM
I doubt you will find many engineering types here that think they are spraying electrons at the receiving coil in a wireless power transfer system. In fact, there are those here that could actually design and build such systems.
PW
D'ya think? All us morons? No, surely not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kulGKroR0yA
Quote from: MileHigh on August 03, 2014, 05:36:13 PM
What does that mean? What is the form of the radiation? Does it propagate like regular EM radiation?
Magnetism IS radiation of dielectricity
There is no such thing as "electromagnetism" (TEM / light etc.)" It has a Z-axis radial dielectric component.
no more "wave particle duality" BS, explains Faraday effect, explains the BS conclusions of the photo-electric effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKZOl_dRlQ
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 06:05:04 PM
I doubt you will find many engineering types here that think they are spraying electrons
Like fucking hell, MOST DO THINK THAT
same assholes that think theyre spray-painting targets in an "electron microscope" with electrons.
3 pages ago you said you explain this picture below "EASILY"
Do so (3rd time i have asked)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 03, 2014, 06:24:09 PM
Magnetism IS radiation of dielectricity
There is no such thing as "electromagnetism" (TEM / light etc.)" It has a Z-axis radial dielectric component.
no more "wave particle duality" BS, explains Faraday effect, explains the BS conclusions of the photo-electric effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKZOl_dRlQ
Electron=Terminon?
Photon= Pulseon?
Apparently however, they act identically...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 05:49:29 PM
TA,
So you do agree then, that the mechanism you propose, must obey Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction?
You forget AND / OR leave out dielectricity, and how :
1. electricity is the
PRODUCT OF BOTH MAGNETISM AND DIELECTRICITY in a generator system2. How Magnetism displaces and IN WHAT WAY it displaces dielectricity
YOU TELL ME how I can CHARGE a "non-conductive" piece of GLASS with enough DIELECTRIC (electrostatic) charge to STOP A PERSONS heart??????????
suggest you read this and wise up:
http://journal.borderlands.com/1987/the-fallacy-of-conductors/
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 06:33:52 PM
Electron=Terminon?
Photon= Pulseon?
apparently they act identical
Wow, you nailed it 100%.......... However NO SUCH THING as a photon, its the Z-axis radial dielectric of so-called "electromagnetism EM. T.E.M."
Light/ EM is NOT electromagnetic , only HALF SO.
Light/ EM has a radial dielectric component.
OH SHIT???? You mean like a COAX CABLE???????? yes, Bobby!!!!! OH SHIT AGAIN???? Who invented the COAX CABLE???? Oliver Heaviside did. ;D ;D ;D
see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKZOl_dRlQ
VIDEO 34 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. THE MISSING SECRET OF LIGHT
VIDEO 35 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. THE MISSING SECRET OF LIGHT PART 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUMP6-Gos2I
EASILY EXPLAINS (and combines):
the BS conclusions from the Photo-electric effect
DESTROYS the "wave particle duality" BS of Einstein
Explains the Faraday effect and explains my friends newly patented invention with 100% CLARITY.
The idiot Einstein said----"We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two contradictory pictures of reality; separately neither of them (particle and wave theory) fully explains the phenomena of light, but together they do"
Problem solved Einstein, you demented mental midget ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 03, 2014, 06:30:57 PM
Like fucking hell, MOST DO THINK THAT
same assholes that think theyre spray-painting targets in an "electron microscope" with electrons.
3 pages ago you said you explain this picture below "EASILY"
Do so (3rd time i have asked)
It's hilarious: Even his strawman arguments are empty! All their straw has leaked out and they can't even stand on their own merit.
Is that a yes or no?
Is the process of using a magnetizer to align the magnetic moments of a pre-magnet rate dependent as per Faraday (i.e., dV/dt)?
PW
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 03, 2014, 06:40:36 PM
It's hilarious: Even his strawman arguments are empty!
1. PW saw the pic 4 pages ago.......
2. he said he could "EASILY" explain it
3. He did not
4. He HAS NOT
5. CAN YOU?
No tricks, 2 magnets, and a steel ring (could be a square or disk, doesnt matter)
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 06:43:15 PM
Is that a yes or no?
Is the process of using a magnetizer to align the magnetic moments of a pre-magnet rate dependent as per Faraday (i.e., dV/dt)?
Faraday NOR Maxwell SAID that.................. proving you never READ THEMHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
Faraday was the originator of the concept of =the magnetic field, (which is described in terms of "magnetic curves" our present day "magnetic lines of force") however HE NEVER SO MUCH AS SUGGESTED in his works that induced currents were a resultant of changing magnetic fields. ON THE CONTRARY, he clearly associated the phenomena of electromagnetic induction with changing electrical currents.
As per Maxwell, he TOO considered EM induction as a phenomena in which a current (or EM force) is induced in a circuit. but not as a phenomena in which a changing magnetic field causes an electrical field. He CLEARLY said that the induced EM force is "MEASURED BY, not CAUSED BY the changing mag field" Just as Faraday, he made NO allusion to ANY CAUSAL link between magnetic and electric fields
----- Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You keep thinking MAGNETISM IS PRIMARY..............IT IS NOT.........
.>>>>>>>>>.its a POSTERIOR RESULTANT , its a DISCHARGE<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Then why do we even bother to use Faradays law of electromagnetic induction (which works out quite well), and apparently erroneously, also include rate as that law is defined?
"The law of physics describing the process of electromagnetic induction is known as Faraday's law of induction and the most widespread version of this law states that the induced electromotive force in any closed circuit is equal to the RATE of change of the magnetic flux through the circuit."
So again, is the alignment of magnetic moments in a pre-magnet by a magnetizer RATE dependent.
Yes or no?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 06:52:27 PM
Then why do we even bother to use Faradays law of electromagnetic induction (which works out quite well), and apparently erroneously, also include rate as that law is defined?
"The law of physics describing the process of electromagnetic induction is known as Faraday's law of induction and the most widespread version of this law states that the induced electromotive force in any closed circuit is equal to the RATE of change of the magnetic flux through the circuit."
PW
HINT HINT: Magnetism has a time variable, Dielectricity DOES NOT, its time variable is ONLY as pertains to the rate at which induction can OCCUR, but that doesnt mean dielectricity HAS a time variable, only a rate of induction variable in the electrical system it is part of.
the rate at which the electric field is moving is the limiting factor, not the dielectric field or charge itself.
transverse or polarized components are
definitionally PERFECT with working with Faradays law.
HINT: the world knows MOST things about electricity, ................and ALMOST
JACK SHIT NOTHING about DIELECTRICITY
In case you forget, its called
"electrical THEORY" for a reason.......not "electrical FACTS" ROFL!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Time to experiment, enough LIP FLAPPING BULLSHIT (for now)
"Magnetism is the dielectric field"
– Michael Faraday"Magnetism is the discharge Ether modality of dielectricity in termination. Dielectricity is counterspatial, magnetism is spatial. All radiation, all discharges in the universe are spatial by nature and definition. Magnetism, therefore is the necessitated polarized (creates space) co-eternal conjugate to dielectricity. Electricity terminates AS magnetism , not INTO magnetism, by losing its dielectric component as necessitated; electricity is the product of Phi (magnetism) and Psi (dielectricity), is definitionally a hybrid Ether modality of the product of Phi and Psi."
- Author
@TA
"electricity is the product of Phi (magnetism) and Psi (dielectricity)"
But you keep saying there is no magnetism, it's just a radiation of dielectricity... so should easily be able to substitute that f(Psi) * psi = Q where F(x) is the translation function of psi into phi...
so the whole basis you keep quoting about electricity is wrong.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 03, 2014, 06:44:20 PM
1. PW saw the pic 4 pages ago.......
2. he said he could "EASILY" explain it
3. He did not
4. He HAS NOT
5. CAN YOU?
No tricks, 2 magnets, and a steel ring (could be a square or disk, doesnt matter)
Of course I can. It's another photo of your magnet play, demonstrating something else YOU don't understand but are trying to use as "evidence" for your delusional framework.
Now let's see you provide the proper reference citations for the claims you have made. Oh... that's right, you graduated before they taught you how to make a proper reference citation. And of course you have no references to cite to back up your claims.
Here, explain this:
Quote from: picowatt on August 03, 2014, 05:49:29 PM
TA,
So you do agree then, that the mechanism you propose, must obey Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction?
(just as those wireless power transfer systems do)
That is, your "electrical induction" method must be RATE dependent.
PW
The mechanism proposed by TA does not have to obey Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction, for it has been invalidated by the spiral experiments as shown in the publication, titled "Electromagnetic Induction and the Conservation of Momentum in the Spiral Paradox (http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0012/0012009.pdf)". The conducting spiral allows us to see that unipolar induction is produced by a vortex of charges, confirming the Lorentz Force and invalidating Faraday's Induction Law, furthermore it allows us to see the true origin of electromagnetic induction and its dual nature. In the conducting spiral, an inversion of cause and effect in the description of electromagnetism also becomes evident. The emf and torque of the Faraday Disc and the conducting spiral is due to the continuous variation of the electromagnetic angular moment of the continuous current.
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 03, 2014, 10:21:00 PM
Of course I can. It's another photo of your magnet play,
THEN EXPLAIN IT...............you didnt do it. Forget "my theory"............those objects can belong to ANYONE............EXPLAIN IT
YOU and PICOWATT BOTH have said you "can"
Then DO SO.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 03, 2014, 10:21:00 PM
And of course you have no references to cite to back up your claims.
I already cited Dr. Oleg Jefiminko
Faraday
Maxwell, and TeslaSo, demon seed, you are the LIAR!
nice pic of solenoid plasma fields in a mag discharge.
NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION , boy.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 03, 2014, 11:08:24 PM
THEN EXPLAIN IT...............you didnt do it.
Forget "my theory"............those objects can belong to ANYONE............EXPLAIN IT
YOU and PICOWATT BOTH have said you "can"
Then DO SO.
;D ;D ;D
I already cited Dr. Oleg Jefiminko
Faraday
Maxwell, and Tesla
So, demon seed, you are the LIAR!
Dropping names is not a reference citation, and if you had stayed in school you might have actually learned that.
http://writing.wisc.edu/Handbook/Documentation.html
http://www.citationmachine.net/
http://tim.thorpeallen.net/Courses/Reference/Citations.html
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 03, 2014, 11:08:24 PM
THEN EXPLAIN IT...............you didnt do it.
Forget "my theory"............those objects can belong to ANYONE............EXPLAIN IT
YOU and PICOWATT BOTH have said you "can"
Then DO SO.
;D ;D ;D
I already cited Dr. Oleg Jefiminko
Faraday
Maxwell, and Tesla
So, demon seed, you are the LIAR!
nice pic of solenoid plasma fields in a mag discharge. NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION , boy.
You have once again demonstrated that you have no idea what you are talking about. Daddy-o.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 03, 2014, 11:05:15 PM
origin of electromagnetic induction and its dual nature. In the conducting spiral, an inversion of cause and effect in the description of electromagnetism also becomes evident.
"Electromagnetism" is the giant TURD blocking the brains of the "educated IDIOTS" (
not referring to YOU) of the world.
;D ;D
"The supreme irony is that the notion of "electromagnetism" exists at all, which definitionally cannot exist, since electricity is the product of electrostatics, as meant dielectricity and magnetism
(Φ x Ψ = Q, or electrification). To say "electromagnetism" is like saying, "charging-discharge", or "pregnant baby"; it is insanity. The very term 'electromagnetism' is a compound of two Greek terms, ἢλεκτρον, electron (amber, which creates, easily, electrostatics charges), and the term μαγνήτης, 'magnetic', from (μαγνήτης λίθος), which means "magnesian stone", the "magic attractive stone" with natural macro-magnetic phenomena. Electricity is a hybrid Ether-modality of Φ x Ψ. Magnetism is the radiative discharge of dielectricity, or electrification in discharge at which time it terminates AS magnetism in losing its dielectric component.
Pliny states that: 'in Syria the women make the whorls of their spindles of this substance, and give it the name of harpax (from ἁρπάζω, "resonate, attract", same as the word for harp musical instrument) from the circumstance that it attracts leaves towards it, chaff, and the light fringes of tissues.' As such we have today the term electromagnetism which is from the terms dielectricity + magnetism, which is what electricity is. However we wrongly understand and fail to differentiate magnetism, from dielectricity, and electricity. These three are wholly separate Ether modalities and electricity is a hybrid of both magnetism and dielectricity in a circuit working together to create electricity."
– Author
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 03, 2014, 11:16:07 PM
You have once again demonstrated that you have no idea what you are talking about
You said, same as PW, that you could "easily explain" this picture.
THEN DO SO
No glue, no tricks, NOTHING
steel ring/disk and 2 magnets. explain the magneto-dielectric geometry and why they "want" to rest like this?
If you cannot, then you understand NOTHING, not even the fundamentals.
Answer it.
It's a big magnet stuck on a fridge door. Up in the picture is real life up. The round disc magnet on top is being held in a tug of war between both sides of the big magnet. It sits in a precarious Lagrange point between the two sides with a net force down on the magnet. The horizontal thin object is presumably a piece of metal. It sits in an even more precarious Lagrange point where gravity is making things even more complicated.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. <*rim shot*>
Quote from: MileHigh on August 03, 2014, 11:25:42 PM
It's a big magnet stuck on a fridge door.
Haaaa, you just DESCRIBED what something is stuck on...........will work SITTING ON WOOD too...........doesnt matter
See fool, this is the difference between DESCRIBE------------------and------------------EXPLAIN
Quote from: MileHigh on August 03, 2014, 11:25:42 PM
Up in the picture is real life up. The round disc magnet on top is being held in a tug of war between both sides of the big magnet. It sits in a precarious Lagrange point between the two sides with a net force down on the magnet. The horizontal thin object is presumably a piece of metal. It sits in an even more precarious Lagrange point where gravity is making things even more complicated.
Hahaaaaaahahhahahha!!!!!
I can turn it ANY DIRECTION related to gravity...........STILL THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next, ill take a pic of gravity at a different position and it SITTING ON WOOD.......
Haaaa!!!!!!
Kenny, you want a good laugh?
What's this: ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on August 03, 2014, 11:25:42 PM
Up in the picture is real life up. The round disc magnet on top is being held in a tug of war between both sides of the big magnet. It sits in a precarious Lagrange point between the two sides with a net force down on the magnet. The horizontal thin object is presumably a piece of metal. It sits in an even more precarious Lagrange point where gravity is making things even more complicated.
Lagrange point!!!!!!! I love (HATE) descriptions. Terms and more terms, NO EXPLANATIONS
what about GRAVITY AGAIN?? I see WOOD below ;D ;D ;D
Gravity is in a diff location this time !!!! ROFL
took 5 seconds to reset that picture, remembering that the steel disk is KNIFE THIN
Quote from: MileHigh on August 03, 2014, 11:35:23 PM
Kenny, you want a good laugh?
Ive got a good laugh, his name is HighforMiles
You cant even explain 2 magnets and a steel disk
tits on a bull, useless
Personally, I always liked the tits on a rail barrel analogy.
Regards...
Quote from: gravityblock on August 03, 2014, 11:05:15 PM
.....origin of electromagnetic induction and its dual nature. In the conducting spiral, an inversion of cause and effect in the description of electromagnetism also becomes evident.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 03, 2014, 11:16:55 PM
"Electromagnetism" is the giant TURD blocking the brains of the "educated IDIOTS" (not referring to YOU) of the world.
;D ;D
"The supreme irony is that the notion of "electromagnetism" exists at all, which definitionally cannot exist, since electricity is the product of electrostatics, as meant dielectricity and magnetism (Φ x Ψ = Q, or electrification). To say "electromagnetism" is like saying, "charging-discharge", or "pregnant baby"; it is insanity. The very term 'electromagnetism' is a compound of two Greek terms, ἢλεκτρον, electron (amber, which creates, easily, electrostatics charges), and the term μαγνήτης, 'magnetic', from (μαγνήτης λίθος), which means "magnesian stone", the "magic attractive stone" with natural macro-magnetic phenomena. Electricity is a hybrid Ether-modality of Φ x Ψ. Magnetism is the radiative discharge of dielectricity, or electrification in discharge at which time it terminates AS magnetism in losing its dielectric component.
Pliny states that: 'in Syria the women make the whorls of their spindles of this substance, and give it the name of harpax (from ἁρπάζω, "resonate, attract", same as the word for harp musical instrument) from the circumstance that it attracts leaves towards it, chaff, and the light fringes of tissues.' As such we have today the term electromagnetism which is from the terms dielectricity + magnetism, which is what electricity is. However we wrongly understand and fail to differentiate magnetism, from dielectricity, and electricity. These three are wholly separate Ether modalities and electricity is a hybrid of both magnetism and dielectricity in a circuit working together to create electricity."
– Author
The dual nature of electromagnetic induction spoken of in the publication isn't referring to the "electric field" and the "magnetic field", as you wrongly assume. In clasical mechanics a distinction is made between inert and gravitational mass as two aspeccts of matter whose nature is totally diferent and which are defined and measured by their different effects. Apparently, the charge also has a dual, inert and gravitational nature.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 03, 2014, 11:42:12 PM
The dual nature of electromagnetic induction spoken of in the publication isn't referring to the "electric field" and the "magnetic field", as you wrongly assume. In clasical mechanics a distinction is made between inert and gravitational mass as two aspeccts of matter whose nature is totally diferent and which are defined and measured by their different effects. Apparently, the charge also has a dual, inert and gravitational nature.
Gravock
I know, .......I was making an ASIDE comment on "electromagnetism" in general
You said>>>>>Apparently, the charge also has a dual, inert and gravitational nature.
yes, thats because Dielectricity terminates into the creation of MASS/MATTER in galactic formations.
Dielectricity is TIED to gravity the same way electricity and magnetism are tied (so to speak)
Well, that's one really strong magnet such that the force of gravity is much stronger than the magnetic forces. I think that I got the disk magnet explanation, but I am unsure about the thin ring. You see Kenny, normally we play Show and Tell around here when people do experiments. So if you want to share some more, perhaps it can all be explained.
But whatever the explanation is, it is what it is. Do you get that? You are looking at something conventional, and there is a conventional explanation for it. It all works out in the end.
MileHigh
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on August 03, 2014, 11:41:36 PM
Personally, I always liked the tits on a rail barrel analogy.
Regards...
havent heard of that one, how does it go?
Quote from: MileHigh on August 03, 2014, 11:45:51 PM
So if you want to share some more, perhaps it can all be explained.
Explain what? Shit , you KNOW IT ALL, so explain it for us.
There is no TRICK here, NO GLUE, NO TAPE, anyone can replicate this in 10 seconds.
I HATE TRICKS, and I dont pull them on anyone.and by the way, you can replace the 2x2x1" neo with even a
SMALL 1/4" CUBE and do the same thing.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 03, 2014, 11:46:03 PM
havent heard of that one, how does it go?
This old guy who thought I "had a lot on the ball" as a young man, used to say that.
He merely substituted the 'bull' for a rain barrel...which I thought was a more creative form of the analogy.
Regards...
Yes I think I figured out the the thin ring also. The thin ring is also being tugged on both sides by the north and south sides of the big magnet. So that tugging keeps it at right angles to the flat faces. The net force on the ring is towards the surface the ring is on. It's another magnetic "down" force.
Then I realized that if the ring were to roll towards either edge, that would make it move further away from the center of the magnet. So the ring is held at right angles by the tugging, and is sitting in a tiny magnetic potential well. As long as the contact point between the ring and surface of the magnet does not slip, the ring is held in place.
So that's the explanation for the "Lagrange point," in this case. The ring is sitting in a precarious GPE well.
My confidence is fair to good, so I am not 100% certain that I got it.
MileHigh
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 03, 2014, 11:43:22 PM
I know, .......I was making an ASIDE comment on "electromagnetism" in general
You said>>>>>Apparently, the charge also has a dual, inert and gravitational nature.
yes, thats because Dielectricity terminates into the creation of MASS/MATTER in galactic formations.
Dielectricity is TIED to gravity the same way electricity and magnetism are tied (so to speak)
The electromagnetic torque of an apparently continuous current in a conducting spiral makes the double, gravitational and inert nature of the electromagnetic mass clearly apparent. The gravitational nature of mechanical mass is weak as compared to its inertia, which makes it impossible to produce a significant and quick change in the gravitational field. On the other hand, the charge's inertia being small and gravity being strong allows us to change the proportion very quickly, generating very intense fields.
Gravock
Quote from: MileHigh on August 03, 2014, 11:59:00 PM
Yes I think I figured out the the thin ring also. The thin ring is also being tugged on both sides by the north and south sides of the big magnet. So that tugging keeps it at right angles to the flat faces. The net force on the ring is towards the surface the ring is on. It's another magnetic "down" force.
"tugged" Hmmmmm yeah, scientific there. "sides" ? CW and CCW are a proven illusion of polarization.........so, now, tell me why you cannot twist the STEEL ring PARALLEL (AT ALL) , which is how the disk magnet naturally "sits"
and JUST THE INVERSE for the disk magnet.
"magnetism attracts shit" RIGHT? ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on August 03, 2014, 11:59:00 PM
Then I realized that if the ring were to roll towards either edge, that would make it move further away from the center of the magnet. So the ring is held at right angles by the tugging, and is sitting in a tiny magnetic potential well. As long as the contact point between the ring and surface of the magnet does not slip, the ring is held in place.
so, now, tell me why you cannot twist the STEEL ring PARALLEL (AT ALL)
Quote from: MileHigh on August 03, 2014, 11:59:00 PM
My confidence is fair to good, so I am not 100% certain that I got it.
MileHigh
Most wise thing I have ever heard you say
You said last page it was because of the "powerful big magnet"
well, as you can see below, that isnt the case
this is a 5/8" NEO sitting on top of a LUCITE ROD
What, no musical soundtrack?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxEpSX2Hd54
Since we are doing puzzles, here's one more for you. Explain this system from end to end. IR photoemitter/detector, processed by an Arduino to display on an LCD screen the RPM of the magnetically levitated, electrostatically powered motor running at close to 5000 rpm, with a NE-2 neon in series with the supply to the motor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfw-TeJ9r4
I am quite certain that both MileHigh and Picowatt can explain this system completely and coherently in terms that would allow any competent third person to replicate it and improve upon it. I am also quite certain that the Greatest Buddhist Scientist cannot do the same. But I am always willing to be _proven wrong_.
Unlike some other people we encounter here from time to time.
Kenny:
Your pictures with he smaller cylindrical neo magnet only confirm what I was saying before. In this case you can see how the ring on the side is offset from the horizontal center line of the magnet. That means that gravity has pulled the ring "up" the magnetic hill until the force of gravity is balanced by the "down hill" pull of the magnetic potential well. At a certain point the "steepness" of the hill pulls against the force of gravity so that they are in balance.
In other words, the ring sits at the bottom of the (magnetic + gravitational) potential well.
Okay, so you have showed us a kind of Lagrange point for one magnet and a ring of metal sitting at the bottom of a magneto-gravitational well.
You showed us some pictures of a big magnets with smaller magnets and metal pieces stuck on the big magnets. So what is the point that you are trying to make?
MileHigh
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 04, 2014, 12:42:09 AM
Since we are doing puzzles, here's one more for you.
I asked you first, you said the answer was "EASY"
you never answered it
Quote from: MileHigh on August 04, 2014, 12:56:19 AM
Your pictures with he smaller cylindrical neo magnet only confirm what I was saying before. In this case you can see how the ring on the side is offset from the horizontal center line of the magnet. That means that gravity has pulled the ring "up" the magnetic hill until the force of gravity is balanced by the "down hill" pull of the magnetic potential well. At a certain point the "steepness" of the hill pulls against the force of gravity so that they are in balance.
Except I can use a 3/4" long Neo at N42 and achieve the same as this
5/8" N50 Neo.Gravity yes,
but the field geometry is much tighter on higher gauss magnets............If you had a magnetometer, you would see this, 3 TESLA PYRAMID STACKED MAGNETS have an extremely SHALLOW high-gauss field
look up youtube user "SUPERMAGNETMAN" and see his stacked
3 TESLA pyramid magnet arrays made for medical testingno power, just permanent magnets up to 3 TESLAS
Quote from: MileHigh on August 04, 2014, 12:56:19 AM
In other words, the ring sits at the bottom of the (magnetic + gravitational) potential well.
Okay, so you have showed us a kind of Lagrange point for one magnet and a ring of metal sitting at the bottom of a magneto-gravitational well.
........Descriptions are not explanations.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 04, 2014, 12:56:19 AM
You showed us some pictures of a big magnets with smaller magnets and metal pieces stuck on the big magnets. So what is the point that you are trying to make?
That you still did not, still cannot explain it, is pretty much the point.
If you cannot explain 2 magnets and a steel ring .....
>>>>>>with NO AC / DC power, no converters, no wires NOTHING<<<<<<...............
.....................well then.............Sok though, Feynman couldnt explain how magnets work either,
HUBRIS is a dirty WH0RE with AIDS. ......... Academia spreads it like free peanut butter in a BREAD FACTORY
more examples below, this time steel disk , steel ring, and magnetic disk
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 04, 2014, 01:01:17 AM
I asked you first, you said the answer was "EASY"
you never answered it
Wrong again, dirty filthy liar. I answered it completely here:
http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg412887/#msg412887
However you never answered any of the challenges I posed for you, going all the way back to here:
http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg409724/#msg409724
QuoteCan you cite a proper reference that supports this contention? Go ahead, you can do it if you try. Show exactly where Maxwell and Heaviside say that dielectricty is electrical inertia. Or cite properly an electrical engineering text.
And all you did in return was to drop some names, proving that either you simply are too ignorant to be able to make a proper citation... or you can't actually find one that backs up your claims.
Or, as I believe... BOTH.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 04, 2014, 03:23:57 AM
Wrong again, dirty filthy liar. I answered it completely here:
http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg412887/#msg412887
So, LOOKING at your link,
you ANSWERED NOTHING there, you merely said:
"Of course I can (answer it). It's another photo of your magnet play,"
So,
you are the " dirty filthy liar"
@ TA:
After looking at your video about the nature of light I was confused about your "pulse of dielectricity". Is this intended as spatial pulse, correct ?
Thanks,
for clarification.
nathan
Quote from: nathan97 on August 04, 2014, 06:33:21 AM
@ TA:
After looking at your video about the nature of light I was confused about your "pulse of dielectricity". Is this intended as spatial pulse, correct ?
nathan
If that were the case, it would be inverse , and infrared would have higher power than , say, GAMMA,
As is the known fact of dielectricity, the smaller the space, the higher the capacitance, just INVERSE to magnetism.
smaller spatial pulse + MORE pulses
= more translational power.
What is 'pulsing'
spatially are the transverse carries resultant to the dielectric.
Observation:
New member asks legitimate question straight forwardly in a non confrontational manner, and is answered politely and respectfully.
Regards...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CJ8TPjL9t8&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: tinman on August 04, 2014, 09:40:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CJ8TPjL9t8&feature=youtu.be
he has one set of mags set FLAT and the other set at extremely close to the gyromagnetic precessional angle of reciprocation
same principle WITHOUT the lens here, at which, in free air, it is spinning on ONE axis at the precessional angle of 21.246 DEGREES
********The reason WHY they are (seemingly) moving opposite to each other, is you are only looking at ONE end of BOTH at the same time NOW move your hands INTERLACING ....looking DOWN on both, one will appear to be moving CW and other CCW...
....BUT, if you look at THE SIDE that is moving, you will notice BOTH hands moving in the SAME DIRECTION CW and CW .......or CCW and CCW
In moving the FLAT SET ONE WAY (not the fields, but the actual PHYSICAL MAGNET), and getting ONE PHYSICAL SPIN out of the convex side.........then moving them (NOT THEIR FIELDS) opposite, and getting OPPOSITE PHYSICAL movement (not their fields) changes nothing but the physical movements, NOT the fields movements.
The PHYSICAL magnets are moving in diff directions, but the FIELDS are still moving in the SAME DIRECTION.... into voidance.
His lens does the same thing, but he has replaced the AIR with a lens AT 21.246 DEGREES....... well, close to it anyway
VIDEO 40 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION 21.246 degrees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgjPzC25YI8
Quote from: tinman on August 04, 2014, 09:40:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CJ8TPjL9t8&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CJ8TPjL9t8&feature=youtu.be)
I would bet good money that if it were upside down it would rotate the other direction.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 04, 2014, 03:26:08 PM
I would bet good money that if it were upside down it would rotate the other direction.
nope, same thing. ..hes using a convex lens which causes one set of mags to be at the precessional angle of 2 contracting spheres of voidance ("attraction")
********The reason WHY they are (seemingly) moving opposite to each other, is you are only looking at ONE end of BOTH at the same time NOW move your hands INTERLACING ....looking DOWN on both, one will appear to be moving CW and other CCW...
....BUT, if you look at THE SIDE that is moving, you will notice BOTH hands moving in the SAME DIRECTION CW and CW .......or CCW and CCW
In moving the FLAT SET ONE WAY (not the fields, but the actual PHYSICAL MAGNET), and getting ONE PHYSICAL SPIN out of the convex side.........then moving them (NOT THEIR FIELDS) opposite, and getting OPPOSITE PHYSICAL movement (not their fields) changes nothing but the physical movements, NOT the fields movements.
The PHYSICAL magnets are moving in diff directions, but the FIELDS are still moving in the SAME DIRECTION.... into voidance.
Quote from: tinman on August 04, 2014, 09:40:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CJ8TPjL9t8&feature=youtu.be
I will POST A VIDEO tonight, both DUPLICATING this, and EXPLAINING THIS.
U should like it
>>>>>>UPLOADING NOW.....2 PART VIDEO...........VIDEO 1 EXPLANATION..........VIDEO 2 REPLICATION ;D ;D ;D ;D
It almost amazes me that people can't figure out these types of clips. For me it's a case where I almost don't even have to think. Almost the instant I lay eyes on something like this I have the answer as to how it works. Plus in this case this "phenomenon" surfaced with the so-called Minato wheel years ago. It also should have "surfaced" if you played with Smarties (or M&M candies) as a kid.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 04, 2014, 03:26:08 PM
I would bet good money that if it were upside down it would rotate the other direction.
Well I have a similar lense, and did lose that bet, forgot that the attraction will also be biased more towards the thinner side than the thicker side. Although a balance between a weak magnet and gravity will change the fulcrum point that its sitting on and reverse the spin; but not with strong neo magnets... and it'd be trickier to do. Convex lense wouldn't spin at all, too much surface friction (both outside edges would be against the lense instead of a single point inside...).
If more mass were added, the angle of the bottom magnet could be adjusted even with strong magnets so it rocks and the contact point is inside the rotational center of mass.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 04, 2014, 07:35:13 PM
It almost amazes me that people can't figure out these types of clips. For me it's a case where I almost don't even have to think. Almost the instant I lay eyes on something like this I have the answer as to how it works. Plus in this case this "phenomenon" surfaced with the so-called Minato wheel years ago. It also should have "surfaced" if you played with Smarties (or M&M candies) as a kid.
I don't think it's minato wheel that you're thinking of... that's just a vgate thing....
Quote from: MileHigh on August 04, 2014, 07:35:13 PM
It almost amazes me that people can't figure out these types of clips. For me it's a case where I almost don't even have to think. Almost the instant I lay eyes on something like this I have the answer as to how it works. Plus in this case this "phenomenon" surfaced with the so-called Minato wheel years ago. It also should have "surfaced" if you played with Smarties (or M&M candies) as a kid.
CONGRATS......YOU DIDNT EXPLAIN JACK SHIT IN WHAT YOU JUST WROTE ABOVE re: the magnets
OK , heres the two videos
Video 1 EXPLAINS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVw3xhPZywc
Video 2 REPLICATES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMYTL_6hA0
You are in fine form with that explanation.
Here's mine: The integral of F ds = 1/2 I omega-squared.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on August 04, 2014, 08:05:23 PM
You are in fine form with that explanation.
Here's mine: The integral of F ds = 1/2 I omega-squared.
MileHigh
You're like the person that hangs himself with his own tongue!!! ROFL
Lots of people would agree!
There are no gaps in space only mass and energy ! Forget all this so called discovery nonsense and daft mathematics its a blind man trying to lead the sheep to the edge of nothing ! You must let go and see only what there is to see and all what you see is but a seed of infinite energy there are no gaps its as solid as a diamond in-fact trillions of times more solid then that ! The pictures and the related numbers are wrong a folly of miss leading wana be discoveries ! There are no circles only the illusion of them and there for all its finite physics is in default an unfinished out of date twitter twatter .....
There is only one truth not a combination of possibilities throw in some iron and the lines all change ! The frequencies stated are not harmonic or in phase with the cosmic octave and there for are wrong !
T A WHERE IS YOUR MAGNETIC VORTEX ???????? OR THE BENDING OF LIGHT ????????????? NOW YOU HAVE A 3RD DISCOVERY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH THERE IS NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!!!
If it serves no purpose it is nothing ! And the universe does not make nothing keep it simple and real ! Now where is the magnetic vortex >>>>> well I sent tin man it hahhahaha oh yes but its not with you T A in fact the bending of light can happen in only 3 ways not 4 so forget it .......... now lets get back to basics .....
Regards
93RDELEMENT
@TA
I is too bad that what you are trying to rationalize is 150 years of junk science with the field, the magnet, reified or deep fried. When I get back from vacation, I will be preparing a paper that once you read with an open mind, you will realize there is in fact a new way of looking at the magnet that will fit 1000% with all the effects ever seen.
I truly hope this will then push you away from the way over complicated and over worked theories you have talked about till now. Yes, you have shown me that you have a mind that wants to think out of the box, but too bad you are still in the box, just rearranging the furniture. New look but the same box will not help OUers work towards new free energy works. All you have talked about will not even produce one watt of energy because you are still stuck patching up a base of mistakes with even more mistakes.
Anyways, time will tell, but so far, no proof of your famous vortex besides all those experiments that are chock full of errors. I posted at OUR about that and again explained how any such proof could be shown without any extra side effects inter playing with your observations. Unfortunately you are just making the same mistakes of Faraday, but in his case I am sure his interpretations were voluntarily skewed with true disinformation that has relegated humans to our present blindness of why our effects are the way they are.
Look, I don't want or need to fight with you. I respect your persistence but see it all going to waste and as a true OUer, I hate waste in energy and in talent.
Like I said, time will tell. What I will expose soon enough, I am sure will even challenge @MH, who I know has his heart and mind in the right place, but even he will have to concede that our present energy models are grossly fault ridden.
wattsup
PS: I concede in advance that I may not be 100% right, because we will only be 99% right in maybe 100 more years, but even at 30% right will be 1000000000% better then the way we are going now. What we need right now is a start for a new workable perspective that will concretely provide OUers with New Ways of experimenting and interpreting our effects. We need a new renaissance to start so our future OUers can build on this and grow and eventually mature this fucked up world of ours into a world where energy is no longer relegated to over complicated notions. The world is so simple.
Quote from: wattsup on August 04, 2014, 09:54:41 PM
Anyways, time will tell, but so far, no proof of your famous vortex besides all those experiments that are chock full of errors.
I like claims, .....especially when there is no
1. evidence
2. logic
3. proof
4. theory
5. hypothesis
behind ANY of it.
By like , I mean despise.
I already explained the vortex are divergent and convergent spheres of magnetic radiation.
Seen below interlacing .....
You havent got a chance of proving me wrong,......but I RELISH YOUR ATTEMPT. ..........
I love being proven wrong. GO write that paper
Quote from: wattsup on August 04, 2014, 09:54:41 PM
When I get back from vacation, I will be preparing a paper that once you read with an open mind, .
Yeah, ok, let us know how the mothership and Lord Zula are doing on planet Krypton.
yeah, lets us see this non-existant masterwork.
In case you FORGOT, everything I state explains all observed phenomena, and is
100% in line with Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla
But, I guess you think yourself smarter than Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla and Heaviside ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 04, 2014, 10:05:17 PM
But, I guess you think yourself smarter than Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla and Heaviside ;D ;D
@TA
Hehehehehehehe. First of all you have no business talking about Tesla. He was a doer and we owe him all we have today. He was not part of the Cabal otherwise he would have burnt down Wardencliff himself. Telsa only did what he knew best with what they intellectualized in his day, which is a tremendous task and accomplishment. But Telsa did not write the Laws of EE. He did not even relegate positive and negative. The guy was a true phenomenon of creativity, but he is not responsible for any of the disinformation we live with today.
The proof of the faults in your vortex and TV screen claims I have already discussed adnosium and it only got me your mouthful of Aussies best. No rational response on your part only shows you are interested in being right at all cost. Then if you are so right, why are you here on an OU Forum. Why not just publish your theory with proof and all on any know academic Publication. Why bother with us dreamers in OULand. What the hell are you doing here when you flatly state OU is impossible.
I myself don't give two furts about academia. All I care about is helping fellow OUers work towards new ways of OU experimentation. All you have said so far does nothing towards that goal and if you cannot see it then I have really mistaken your potential and will again stop here. I just thought that just maybe after so many pages of total nothing but your mental fabrications of smart sounding lingo that you have obviously learned by continuous repetition, that maybe you were ready for something really new.
In any case, you will eventually hear about it and you like others will be your own judge. But at least it will originate from a true OUer and not an avid denier. That my friend makes all the difference in the world.
Let's talk again after 70 more pages of freebies.
wattsup
Quote from: wattsup on August 04, 2014, 11:03:05 PM
He was a doer and we owe him all we have today.
I did 4 greek translations, 45 VIDEOS and 2 books in the PAST 4 MONTHS
YOU?????????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I thought so, .......SQUAT
Quote from: wattsup on August 04, 2014, 11:03:05 PM
The proof of the faults in your vortex and TV screen claims
FUCK THE TV SCREEN, I have 14 wholly diff. models and 13 empirical tests. ;D ;D
Quote from: wattsup on August 04, 2014, 11:03:05 PM
What the hell are you doing here when you flatly state OU is impossible.
Piercing the Ether membrane takes POWER.......... Free power is everywhere.........GETTING however is not free........."STEALING" it however is.
Youre ALL TALK, and no Fing action. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: d3x0r on August 04, 2014, 07:41:46 PM
Well I have a similar lense, and did lose that bet, forgot that the attraction will also be biased more towards the thinner side than the thicker side. Although a balance between a weak magnet and gravity will change the fulcrum point that its sitting on and reverse the spin; but not with strong neo magnets... and it'd be trickier to do. Convex lense wouldn't spin at all, too much surface friction (both outside edges would be against the lense instead of a single point inside...).
If more mass were added, the angle of the bottom magnet could be adjusted even with strong magnets so it rocks and the contact point is inside the rotational center of mass.
Your drawing pretty much captures the true state of affairs although your description is a bit off. This phenomenon actually has nothing to do with magnetism per se, the magnetism is just what pulls the items together and makes the point pivot contact. The device will work just fine even with only one magnet and a smooth flat piece of steel. The rotation arises because of the force couple: the point of contact provides a pivot and a frictional drag that combines with the off-center pull to produce a rotation.
This is a True Experiment, not a demonstration. Note how the DUT responds as the input parameters are varied through a rationally chosen parameter space, testing a couple of hypotheses. Note also that the top item is not a metallic magnet at all. The lens is held level. Note how the upper object's behaviour changes when it is at the top of the lens and all the various force vectors align: there is no spinning couple at that location, whereas when the upper object is down on the slope of the lens, these vectors no longer align and a rotational torque develops as the object is dragged along the surface by the lower magnet. The direction of spin is completely predicted by the vectors and the resulting couple, and has nothing to do with magnet polarity or magnetism at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SeVWSO_wpg
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 01:46:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SeVWSO_wpg
Saw your CRAP video, ......yes, of course it works with a steel disk, and ONE magnet.
LET ME QUOTE YOUR VIDEO::::::
The upper object here isn't even a metal or ferrite magnet. It is one of those flexible "rubber magnets"
WHAT THE F**K?????? you said::: "this object isnt a magnet, .......it a magnet" ROFL!!!!!!!
You left OUT THE IMPORTANT PART, demon seed, the steel disk is still under MAGNETIC INDUCTION and therefore still under gyromagnetic precession
also called the LARMOR FREQUENCY
By the way, I LOVE THOSE LONG DIRTY LONG GROSS NASTY fingernails you have (Is that you Smeagol??) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Video 1 EXPLAINS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVw3xhPZywc
Video 2 REPLICATES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMYTL_6hA0
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 01:46:36 AM
The direction of spin is completely predicted by the vectors and the resulting couple, and has nothing to do with magnet polarity or magnetism at all.
Here we have 2 objects, either 2 "magnets", ..........or 1 magnet and a STEEL or FERRITE disk under magnetic induction.
Captain Goof however (above) says>>>>>>>>> .................
.has nothing to do magnetism at all. Shut down the high school you dropped out of , you didnt get your "learn on" . ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on August 04, 2014, 07:35:13 PM
It almost amazes me that people can't figure out these types of clips. For me it's a case where I almost don't even have to think. Almost the instant I lay eyes on something like this I have the answer as to how it works. Plus in this case this "phenomenon" surfaced with the so-called Minato wheel years ago. It also should have "surfaced" if you played with Smarties (or M&M candies) as a kid.
I just thought I would throw it up here MH.it is interesting watching the responses.
Im well aware of how it works, and the same thing can be seen using a spining top on a convex surface-it will even climb to the peak of the lenz all by itsell.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 01:46:36 AM
Your drawing pretty much captures the true state of affairs although your description is a bit off. This phenomenon actually has nothing to do with magnetism per se, the magnetism is just what pulls the items together and makes the point pivot contact. The device will work just fine even with only one magnet and a smooth flat piece of steel. The rotation arises because of the force couple: the point of contact provides a pivot and a frictional drag that combines with the off-center pull to produce a rotation.
This is a True Experiment, not a demonstration. Note how the DUT responds as the input parameters are varied through a rationally chosen parameter space, testing a couple of hypotheses. Note also that the top item is not a metallic magnet at all. The lens is held level. Note how the upper object's behaviour changes when it is at the top of the lens and all the various force vectors align: there is no spinning couple at that location, whereas when the upper object is down on the slope of the lens, these vectors no longer align and a rotational torque develops as the object is dragged along the surface by the lower magnet. The direction of spin is completely predicted by the vectors and the resulting couple, and has nothing to do with magnet polarity or magnetism at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SeVWSO_wpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SeVWSO_wpg)
Kinetimatics is the word I was looking for.
... my argument(bet) was that if it was held it upside down it would spin the other direction... but ... the force keeps it so the point of contact is toward the outside of the convex surface from the center of rotation even when upside down. Your demo might be different. I have some just metal plates maybe I can get it to work with a ceramic magnet and rotate backwards upside down... which would move the point of contact towards the center of the convex lens instead of being on the outside.
@TA it has nothing to do with magnetics, it has to do with the point of contact on the lens from the object on top of the convex lens vs its center of mass. Although without the magnet it is hard to make it clamp to the curved surface.
Quote from: tinman on August 05, 2014, 02:13:00 AM
I just thought I would throw it up here MH.it is interesting watching the responses.
Im well aware of how it works, and the same thing can be seen using a spining top on a convex surface-it will even climb to the peak of the lenz all by itsell.
that is STILL precession however.
Yes, ive done the same before, but the gyro only climbs IF you spin it CW (looking down on the flywheel), and inverse CCW, it goes downhill
however I used a convex book when I did it, dosent matter if its a lens or not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUvQJIwezW0
(People who work for a living, or even in retirement, often have dirty hands, callouses, torn clothing, etc. People who don't work but just type and talk and get tattooed might have clean hands and trimmed fingernails... but that doesn't seem to keep them from being banned from forum after website after bloghosting site because of their shit-mouthed insults and crybaby disrespect of those who actually do know their stuff and can make it work. Kiss Kiss, baby boy Kenny.)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 05, 2014, 01:58:48 AM
Saw your CRAP video, ......yes, of course it works with a steel disk, and ONE magnet.
LET ME QUOTE YOUR VIDEO::::::
The upper object here isn't even a metal or ferrite magnet. It is one of those flexible "rubber magnets"
WHAT THE F**K? ??? ?? you said::: "this object isnt a magnet, .......it a magnet" ROFL!!!!!!!
You left OUT THE IMPORTANT PART, demon seed, the steel disk is still under MAGNETIC INDUCTION and therefore still under gyromagnetic precession
also called the LARMOR FREQUENCY
By the way, I LOVE THOSE LONG DIRTY LONG GROSS NASTY fingernails you have (Is that you Smeagol??) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Video 1 EXPLAINS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVw3xhPZywc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVw3xhPZywc)
Video 2 REPLICATES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMYTL_6hA0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMYTL_6hA0)
Not only do you display your lack of reading comprehension, you are even too stupid to realize when you have been soundly refuted.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 02:29:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUvQJIwezW0
(People who work for a living, or even in retirement
I dont believe in working harder, rather SMARTER.
One of us did 4 greek translations, 45 VIDEOS and 2 books in the PAST 4 MONTHS, one 110 pages, the other 226 pages.
and it was'nt you.
Your ignorance keep your warm, until it burns your ass.
Arent you the demented fuck that accused me of lying about my dead wife 20 pages ago? After which I pounded your ass proving you are, without a doubt, a rancid lying POS....... Yes, that POS was you.
You're nothing but scum. ;)
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 02:33:40 AM
Not only do you display your lack of reading comprehension, you are even too stupid to realize when you have been soundly refuted.
I see NO refutation.
LET ME QUOTE YOU SON.........>>>>>
Quote from: TinselKoala on Today at 07:46:36 AM
The direction of spin is completely predicted by the vectors and the resulting couple, and has nothing to do with magnet polarity or magnetism at all.
So..................Here we have 2 objects, either 2 "magnets", ..........or 1 magnet and a STEEL or FERRITE disk under magnetic induction.
Captain Goof however (above) says>>>>>>>>> ..................has nothing to do magnetism at all.
LET ME QUOTE YOU AGAIN SON.........>>>>> YOUR VIDEO READS,......and I QUOTE----------------------The upper object here isn't even a metal or ferrite magnet. It is one of those flexible "rubber magnets"
WHAT THE HELL????? you said::: "this object isnt a magnet, .......it a magnet" ROFL!!!!!!! :o :o ;D
Dime store stuff
My but you are the vocal one today. Have you had your medications reviewed lately? Maybe your eyes are just too blurry to be able to attach adjectives to the nouns they modify. You do know what an adjective modifier is, don't you? Or did you graduate before you learned that, too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InY3zE2BLVM
My dirty hands come from working in dirty places. Where did your dirty mouth come from?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 05, 2014, 02:37:55 AM
I dont believe in working harder, rather SMARTER.
One of us did 4 greek translations, 45 VIDEOS and 2 books in the PAST 4 MONTHS, one 110 pages, the other 226 pages.
and it was'nt you.
Your ignorance keep your warm, until it burns your ass.
Arent you the demented fuck that accused me of lying about my dead wife 20 pages ago? After which I pounded your ass proving you are, without a doubt, a rancid lying POS....... Yes, that POS was you.
You're nothing but scum. ;)
And you are an insane person. Look at all your talent and the qualifications you are constantly reminding us of. Look at your posture chair patents, your wall panels, your magic motor. Look at all your videos and books you write. (Ignore your reputation amongst the Buddhist community.) And then explain what you are doing, spending hours and hours a day on an insignificant web forum of hobbyists, arguing with people you think are stupid, beneath you, not worthy of your respect. There is something seriously wrong with you, Kenneth, and you should seek professional help.
TheoriaApophasis,
I'm just throwing in a couple of words for you to ponder.
Repetitive and Nerd.
John.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 03:19:22 AM
My but you are the vocal one today. Have you had your medications reviewed lately? Maybe your eyes are just too blurry to be able to attach adjectives to the nouns they modify. You do know what an adjective modifier is, don't you? Or did you graduate before you learned that, too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InY3zE2BLVM
My dirty hands come from working in dirty places. Where did your dirty mouth come from?
OH MY GOOOOOOD.
1. Listen , we both know I despise you because you are vile and loathsome and ignorant (but worse , in love of your ignorance).......
2. BUT........I always watch a video with an open mind............... from ANYONE.
3. That video is the MOST
A: FUNNY B: INSANE C: CHILDISH D: ABSURD farce I have seen since some video about alien anal probing..Ever see something so pathetic you didnt know whether to LAUGH OR TO CRY???
I invite everyone to SEE YOUR VIDEO you just made........... OH MY GOD, ........just STUNNING (and not in the good way) ;D ;D ;D ;D
watch Tinsels toy tire ROLL on a stick:::::::::::::::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InY3zE2BLVM
Oh JESUS, tell me that video was a joke....... TELL ME
((((((((((((BY THE WAY........your video in NO WAY explains HOW or WHY there is counter-rotational spin when the magnet below is moved in the other direction)))))))))
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 03:22:43 AM
And you are an insane person.
You just made a "PROOF" video from rolling a TOY TIRE ON A STICK
Yes, I agree you are insane
what college was that again???????
PIC OF YOUR VIDEO BELOW::::::::::::
somewhere some KID is missing his Tonka truck tire
you also failed to notice that at speed, its not merely precessing but wobbling itself.
I think the toy tire on a stick shows what's happening really well.
I gave up trying to get motion out of magnets when I was eight.
Nobody's succeeded yet as far as I can see.
John.
Quote from: minnie on August 05, 2014, 04:20:33 AM
I think the toy tire on a stick shows what's happening really well.
I gave up trying to get motion out of magnets when I was eight.
Nobody's succeeded yet as far as I can see.
John.
Nope, it proves he doesnt know SHIT
A: SEE PIC BELOW, any object at the angle of the lens will ROLL IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS MOVEMENT
B: the disk magnet or steel disk will PRECESS OPPOSITE to the movement of the direction (why steel also? still in magnetic induction)
FIELDS dont see physical movement, fields "see" fields,.......the closest edges of both magnets or magnet and disk will chase each other at lowest pressure mediation for voidance (what you call attraction).
Tinsel is an Aussie wanka' a tossa' (in their language)
hes an intellectual BOOB and SLOBHe keeps mentioning BEER for some reason, I guess hes a drunkard also...... ( I dont drink)
See the magnet move OPPOSITE the direction of movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMYTL_6hA0
Quote from: minnie on August 05, 2014, 04:20:33 AM
I think the toy tire on a stick shows what's happening really well.
NOPE ;D ;D
It SHOWS movement in the SAME DIRECTION of the sticks movement
HIGH TECH: wheel on a stick
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 01:46:36 AM
Your drawing pretty much captures the true state of affairs although your description is a bit off. This phenomenon actually has nothing to do with magnetism per se, the magnetism is just what pulls the items together and makes the point pivot contact. The device will work just fine even with only one magnet and a smooth flat piece of steel. The rotation arises because of the force couple: the point of contact provides a pivot and a frictional drag that combines with the off-center pull to produce a rotation.
This is a True Experiment, not a demonstration. Note how the DUT responds as the input parameters are varied through a rationally chosen parameter space, testing a couple of hypotheses. Note also that the top item is not a metallic magnet at all. The lens is held level. Note how the upper object's behaviour changes when it is at the top of the lens and all the various force vectors align: there is no spinning couple at that location, whereas when the upper object is down on the slope of the lens, these vectors no longer align and a rotational torque develops as the object is dragged along the surface by the lower magnet. The direction of spin is completely predicted by the vectors and the resulting couple, and has nothing to do with magnet polarity or magnetism at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SeVWSO_wpg
@TK
This is not my video TK,another member posted it on another thread here-which i cant find,because it has disappeared of the bottom of the list.
Quote from: tinman on August 05, 2014, 07:45:19 AM
@TK
This is not my video TK,another member posted it on another thread here-which i cant find,because it has disappeared of the bottom of the list.
Huh? The video linked in your posted quote is _my_ video, isn't it?
Notice that it also directly refutes the claims about direction made by the Greatest Buddhist Scientist above. The direction of rotation is determined by the force couple. In the case of the rolling wheel, it is being pulled along by the center of rotation and lagged by the contact of the wheel with the substrate. In the case of the magnet it is being lagged behind by the point of contact: the center of rotation. The couple predicts exactly the direction of rotation for both cases.
Apparently his observation skills aren't all that, after all. And his mind is sooo oooppen it appears to have run out his ears and gotten all over his chest. Or is that some kind of tattoo?
(Is anyone... besides me that is... counting the times he's mentioned his dead wife in order to get some kind of gain for himself? Add one more to the count.)
And his comment about "beer" and not drinking is a hoot. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink, that is demonstrated amply by the Greatest Buddhist Scientist. Never even heard of Beer and Johnston. Must have been too busy translating Sanskrit pornography or something.
http://www.slideshare.net/akashsolanki/vector-mechanics-by-beer-johnston
University of Sheffield U.K. did work on developing a magnetic gearbox
which is on the lines of Koala's description.
John.
re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtoaqj_kcp4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtoaqj_kcp4) ( VIDEO 45 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. FUNDAMENTALS PART 8 )
pole 1 is cw, pole 2 (looking at opposite side is ccw, but looking at if from the same side as pole 1 will still be cw); therefore 2 poles coming together are in the same direction; and is 100% backwards from what you're saying. Looking at it from the top with a thing inbetween the lines will be in the same direction... flip it over and it's reversed. Therefore when 2 is attracting to 1, they are in the same direction.... remember a thing rotating at one end looks cw, the other end looks ccw... so both ends are spinning the same direction, and themselves are not hypotrochoidal... and again brining two bodies spinining in the same direction (a stack of pole1-pole2 to pole-pole2 ) they are all spinining in the same direction....
I see where the confusion comes from...
the double-inversion of turning around one side and mating it to the other side.
Notice the helic planes in the first set are all in the same direction... but on the right side when you look at both sides at once they appear to be opposing ccw and cw at the mating point.... not sure how to describe why that's an error...
T A please read wattsup info and except it ASAP ! Than free your self from a spinning magnet and as yet no mention of magnetic inertia the real reason why the magnet is spinning, its the final part of the equation ..
Also why all this search for free energy ??????? There is nothing left to find hahah !!! STOP LOOKING !!! Its right in front of you but you guys have a 110v grid hahah ??? why ???? its all to do with fluctuation energy nothing else even the earths dielectric field is a fluctuation continuum toped up but the sun and alpha particles from the core of the earth ! When I point my magnet at my zero point motor even from 10ft from it the motor increases in speed and the current drops towards zero .
TESLA made it very clear all he found was a spring without resistance and the back emf keeps it in a fluctuation expression of energy ! Also photons emitted from a light only need a high voltage and frequency no amps needed kapanadaz works on that basis ...
Magnetics is no different than the event horizon of an electron or a black hole and yes light does spin around a black hole hahaha but not a silly magnet hahahah But don't worry I have it all worked out for you buy one of my free energy generators hahahahha I am up for doing a good wholesale deal but your government are the real problem not the magnet hahahah ! A hand full of men control everything in your country they control the new and old government no matter who is in power ... The are so dam greedy and evil they would rather see all there people live in a total police state and the people all to suffer from a paranoid mind and life style ... You see the real problem is MEN they are all sick in the head with there over powered egos and war lord mentality .
Don't worry about energy or gravity we got that all worked out its kids science not neuron science ! Also the effects on the world if everyone had free energy would soon become a very big problem they would stop burning rubbish ! Forget the we are going to save humanity thing and the undeveloped world must sing to our tune that nuts ! I know lots of Africans who would rather live as there ancestors did than end up as a managed heard of sheep acting like trapped lab rats watching TV and stuck sitting with the internet . They just want clean water better health care good cheap food a little bit of money safe land no wars and still want to dance as a community around the fire ... When I see what they want I start to fill the same bring back the ancestors and the spirit of the nomadic tribes cut the ball and chain and dance naked round the fire sound like a lot of fun to me hahaha .....
All this we are re inventing the wheel is boring so dam boring no challenge in that its just a stupid spinning wheel ! Get real ! Go find a forest and live in it take your cloths off before you go in so you don't look stupid or out of place hahaha and live !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! become human again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tel that evil government to get out of town !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop buying guns !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what about all that crap food you eat ????????? did you grow it ????????? no because you are lab rats money making machines toys for the fat cats to hunt and play with ....... Your all trapped in the big city and there is no road out to freedom so you dream of free energy hahahahahah stop it ...
I declare this world belongs to me you should stand up and say the same thing !!! throw away the concept of divide and concur become a one people a one mind a one world and kick the arse of every government until they all fall of the edge of humanity !!!!! You lot wont even come up with a sharing concept to develop your new freedom there is no plan ???? you just want it for your self's and that's no real help to anyone .. Miracles are made in the sharing of unconditional love and yes you need a plan for that even CHRIST had a long term plan !!!
I challenge you all to deliver a free house 3 kwh generator to you government for free and to every media out let hospital and school all for fee on the same day at the same time !!! you will need a plan do achieve that I got the stupid generator .... Inform them THE OLD POWER IS NO LONGER NEEDED !!!! A NEW FREE POWER HAS BEEN INSTALED !!!! AND THAN BUILD UP A NEW POLICTICAL ECONOMIC WORLD ON THE SHAREING OF THE LOVE WE ALL SHOULD HAVE PUMPING IN OUR LITTLE HARTS ....... AGREE WITH THESE TERMS AND I WILL MAKE IT SO IN EVERY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET ! AND IN ONE HOUR IN ONE DAY WE THE FREE PEOPLE OF THE NEW FREE WORLD WILL TAKE OVER AND SET ALL HUMANITY FREEE ....... AS TO THE PROBLEM OF RELIGON THAT WILL BE SOLVED BY THE DAM STUPID ALIENS WHO STARTED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE ............. I CHALLANGE YOU !!!! NOW STAND UP AND BE COUNTED !!!!! LOL XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
ME
Something about mental health issue. :o
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT
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You see the real problem is MEN they are all sick in the head with their over powered egos and war lord mentality .
...
Aye, there is some truth in that. Particularly
those men who are too strongly connected
to their Mothers, or have been spoiled by
their Moms. They love the hissy-fit.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 05, 2014, 08:33:53 AM
re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtoaqj_kcp4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtoaqj_kcp4) ( VIDEO 45 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. FUNDAMENTALS PART 8 )
pole 1 is cw, pole 2 (looking at opposite side is ccw, but looking at if from the same side as pole 1 will still be cw);
I left out (as mentioned in the video) the CENTRIPETAL vortex on both sides for a reason, to keep the video simplex.
the whole point was to paint a very fundamental picture of divergence spatially and to show the hypotrochoid pattern of convergence vs. patterns of polarization and counter-voidance/ "repulsion".
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:57:27 AM
Huh? The video linked in your posted quote is _my_ video, isn't it?
Notice that it also directly refutes the claims about direction made by the Greatest Buddhist Scientist above. The direction of rotation is determined by the force couple. In the case of the rolling wheel, it is being pulled along by the center of rotation and lagged by the contact of the wheel with the substrate. In the case of the magnet it is being lagged behind by the point of contact: the center of rotation. The couple predicts exactly the direction of rotation for both cases.
You left out the important point in your professional TOY TRUCK WHEEL ON A STICK DEMO, you beer guzzling Aussie wanka. ..........
B: the disk magnet or steel disk will PRECESS OPPOSITE to the direction of movement (why steel also? still in magnetic induction)
Youre Fing truck wheel does NOT. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:57:27 AM
The couple predicts exactly the direction of rotation for both cases.
Nope it doesnt, SAYING IT DOES, doesnt prove shit.
Wheel moves in the direction of rotation, EVEN IF the stick were mounted on the rim in a HUBLESS WHEEL
Physical rotation isnt FIELD ROTATION.
The field is LOCKED IN as CW or CCW WHEN THE MAGNET WAS CREATED............... >>>>>>
Fields do NOT "see" PHYSICAL MOVEMENT, they see pressure voidance and MOVE TOWARDS VOIDANCE, regardless of PHYSICAL MOVEMENT<<<<<<<<
Wahahahahah ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:57:27 AM
In the case of the magnet it is being lagged behind by the point of contact: the center of rotation.
What you fail to grasp is the PHYSICAL magnet is ONE THING,........its FIELD POLARITY is another thing...........fields DO NOT "see" PHYSICAL MOVEMENT
The inverse spin is due to closest point of contact fields chasing voidance pressures , NOT chasing physical directions.
This is where your BEER SOAKED BRAIN FAILS YOU........... You can move a magnet in ANY DIRECTION, but the direction of FIELD VOIDANCE ('attraction') will always be the same.
Just as if you had a PHYSICAL GEAR ......and a MAGNETIC "GEAR"
Video 1 EXPLAINS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVw3xhPZywc
Video 2 REPLICATES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMYTL_6hA0
Quote from: d3x0r on August 05, 2014, 08:33:53 AM
re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtoaqj_kcp4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtoaqj_kcp4) ( VIDEO 45 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. FUNDAMENTALS PART 8 )
pole 1 is cw, pole 2 (looking at opposite side is ccw, but looking at if from the same side as pole 1 will still be cw); therefore 2 poles coming together are in the same direction; and is 100% backwards from what you're saying. Looking at it from the top with a thing inbetween the lines will be in the same direction... flip it over and it's reversed.
No, N on S "coming together" is as seen in screenshot_2020.jpg
Its not "100% backwards" its that space and its perceptual dualities resultant from divergence (as it does most people) is drilling a screw into your brain. ..........every human on earth has this "issue" ;D
Counter-voidance (repulsion) is seen in screenshot_2021.jpg
As ALSO seen on a ferrolens as well.
I said since day one that CW and CCW are just spatial mind SKREWS
SPIN ANYTHING, and its going in one direction, but CW from one end (apparently) and CCW from the other end (apparently)
A: you forget that (as I mentioned
) I am not showing centripetal vortex which is also present just to keep the video simple
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:57:27 AM
Huh? The video linked in your posted quote is _my_ video, isn't it?
No-no _my _vidio in it,just the link to the video.
Just wanted to see what happened when i posted it-and i have my answers.
T A You again abuse the written word and insult in a sick perverted manner ??? why ??? and in such a public way with out a chance for the one you insulted to defend them self's I am warning you there is now laws that can be used against your foul mouth ! The internet is no longer a place where you can freely attack another without a price to pay ! Show me the words of all great scientists that have a language such as yours !!! SHAME ON YOU !!!
Its always men starting trouble and up for the fight like a mad dog with a bone !!!! hahah !!!! So the field lines don't spin when the magnet is spinning ??????????? R u completely off your rocker hahhaha ..........
I just watched a documentary here in the UK about 4 year old kids in America being bought guns including sub machine guns for there birthday hahahahahahahah The parents all claim its for there protection and for hunting than a clip of a 8 year old shooting dead a 2 year old dear ???? The kid was so happy and what a sick picture it was to see this kid holding he's gun and the dead animal it made me want to throw up ...........
And to them that try and paint me as a mental case look at the mirror of your reflection and know it is you not me !!!! I again challenge you to a race to freedom throw away your gun and meet with me in a field of a 100 000 starving children and feed them from your own pocket ..... I have decided to flood America with free energy generators at a cheep price !!!!
UP LOAD ALL YPOU CAN ABOUT THE MEN THAT SUMMON UFOs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you think the road ahead is just you and a gun and you can abuse who you like when you like and destroy the very soul of children with weapons of death and destruction for a birthday gift and bend all the laws of science so you can sit on a new thrown of knowledge and let your psychopathic deranged head destroy the free world than you got a bigger problem than a messed up head .......... VERY SOON A DAY WILL COME WHERE YOU WILL NOLONGER HAVE FREEDOM TO GROW YOUR SICK EVIL .....................................
You deny the CHRIST but except the bible and refuse to see another intelligence that already lives among us ! You have little experience of the greater reality that will very soon change this world you corrupt . And your guns wont help you, only the love in your hart can save you and at this point in time very few of you will be saved .............
Regards
ME
93rdelement is a newbie Troll Shill: quote below:
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"You again abuse the written word and insult in a sick perverted manner why and in such a public way with out a chance for the one you insulted to defend them self's I am warning you there is now laws that can be used against your foul mouth !"
regards
MeQuote
He is s Troll Shill !!!
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Quote from: tinman on August 05, 2014, 04:31:30 PM
No-no _my _vidio in it,just the link to the video.
Just wanted to see what happened when i posted it-and i have my answers.
using MOIRE patterns and physically moving them in a PAIR of double vortex patterns to demo is just short of impossible.
Your nuts hahahahahah engage with me in a conversation let me know the human in you ! I am real not a lie or over stated ambition or some kind of spy in fact there are no spy's anymore its all in your cold war mental health paranoid BRAIN PROGRAMED HEADS .......... R U ALL NUTS ???????
NOW TALK TO ME !!! NOT TO YOUR SELF OR THE COMPUTER !!! GET REALITY PLUGED INTO YOUR NEURO NETWORK I AM AN OLD FASHIONED EHGLISH LONDONER BRITISJ BULL DOG CHRIST LOVEING MIRACLE MAN OK HAHAHAHAH !!!!
YOU GUYS ARE ALL NUTS EXCEPT TIN MAN WHO IS A GENTLEMAN ONE OF THE FEW LEFT ON THIS EARTH ...............................
There is no magnetic vortex just closing field conditions and vacuum spacing electron eclipse inverse atomic tightening and magnetic inertia that's it nothing else ....... Stop looking !!! Honestly reading the work of T A is like hearing a drum beat that has no melody and never stops playing the same beat .. He thinks he will hypnotize you until you jump up and down hahahahahahhahahahahaha GET RID OF THOES STUPID GUNS .......
Be a hippy for a day let go and totally forget magnetic vortex there is no entropy no entropy no vortex hahahahah is there a physics teacher out there ?????? you guys need one hahahahahahahah talk about stupid HAHAHAHAHAHA
REGARDS
THE TRUTH
As it is buried many pages back, I am re-posting the following quotes from TA with regard to the operation of a magnetizer and the process involved in magnetizing a pre-magnet.
Again, lest anyone think I am editing these posts to in any way create a bias, I encourage the reader to read onward a bit from reply #444 on page 30 of this thread.
Quote
Let me give you a clue AGAIN-
"magnets" are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE (pre-) "POLES" (at which time they are of course "PRE-magnetized [rather pre-dielectrified]" ceramics)
Current is discharged thru the ENTIRE F-ing magnet
Does the word "induction" ring a bell to you? (not magnetic INDUCTION), but the induction used to CREATE a "magnet".
Magnets are not "MAGNETIZED", thats magnetic induction from a magnet TO a piece of iron IN THE MAG FIELD, for example. That is magnetic field INDUCTION.
a "magnet" has an enormous dis-equalibrium between the interatomic magneto-dielectric, also as increased by the NeoFeBoron ceramic structure.
All that magnetism IN a NEO is powered by the charge potential increase FROM the discharged electromagnetic coils INTO the entire F-ing Neo-Fe-Boron "pre-magnet".
Current is discharged thru the ENTIRE F-ing magnet, which creates, resultantly this magneto-dielectric structure:
Does the word "induction" ring a bell to you? (not magnetic INDUCTION), but the induction used to CREATE a "magnet"
Oh hell, look wireless INDUCTION powering a light bulb!!! how "new" (wait, no its not).
Please wise the hell up, no offense.
That charge dumps from the banks to the coil INTO THE "MAGNETS", son, is what causes the dis-equilibrium and creates that Finger-Breaking Neo-Magnet (that you have no clue how it works)
I suggest you learn what ELECTRICAL INDUCTION IS
In a magnetizer station, an enormous INDUCTIVE CHARGE IS DUMPED into the pre-"magnet" to create the "magnet" (of which a portion is retained, resultant with the magneto-dielectric dis-equalibrium of the , now, "magnet").
Again, suggest you look up the word INDUCTION
THAT IS, if you think you cannot fry bacon wirelessly between two INDUCTION COILS (which you can) I thought you were smarter than that (guess not).
An inductive charge is placed from the cap banks, thru the coils and THRU the "magnet" , of which a portion of the charge is left "permanently" remaining
Just like running a fast river for an instant in the sand, leaving a permanent "mark", in this case, the "mark" is the dis-equilibrium of the magneto-dielectric in and of the (now) "magnet".
Let me WISE YOU THE HECK up (no offense, honestly) ....
CONTACT electrification, and INDUCTION electrification are BOTH #&*@(@(@ ELECTRIFICATION
Dead wrong son. Brief LARGE AMOUNT OF CURRENT you mean.
You're as clueless as a goddamn lemming. You dont (still) GET the fucking word "MAGNETIZE" , Magnetization (as implied resultant magnetism in the "magnet") is the TERMINATION OF ELECTRICITY moron.......... Even a 8th grade book on electricity will tell you that son.
How the FUCK did you think you created a FINGER CRUSHING NEO MAGNET? Its inductively CHARGED at the dielectric from the Cap banks, to the coils INTO the Magnet.
Let me give you a fucking heads up on the word "ELECTROMAGNET"........OK, Its OVERWHELMINGLY ELECTRICAL, with resultant strong magnetic (temporary) charge.
Yes, moron, the magnet is electrically INDUCED BY the ELECTRIC INDUCTION from the ELECTO-magnet. Wise the ever loving hell up boy.
NOW ask how you create a (very WEAK) permanent magnet with a STRONG magnet?
YOU STROKE IT with the strong magnet and align the dielectricity in a coherent fashion in the steel bar ,etc,... to create resultant macro-magnetic polarization
Ohhhhhhhh, and WHY IS A MAGNET MADE THIS WAY SO STINKING WEAK IN POWER?? because it was not, IS NOT, HAS NOT been electrified from a HUGE inductive electrical DUMP
So, you're saying you STILL havent learned about wireless touchless induction?
Oh look its a picture hahaha is it a plane no is it a bird no is it a spiral no wtf is it hahahahahahah its not moving its got the wrong curvature no harmonic vector nothing that makes it a vortex !!!!! No I know what it is its an ice cream hahhahaha oops hahahah
you silly stupid monkey hahahahahahahaha get real get a day job !!!! hahahahahahha what a nutter hahahahahahahhaahahah
lol xxxxxxx
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 06:46:39 PM
As it is buried many pages back, I am re-posting the following quotes from TA with regard to the operation of a magnetizer and the process involved in magnetizing a pre-magnet.
Again, lest anyone think I am editing these posts to in any way create a bias, I encourage the reader to read onward a bit from reply #444 on page 30 of this thread.
you got the quote right.
what creates "magnets" is dielectric increase in capacitance (from cap banks to discharge coils)
OR mere dielectric coherency from induction ONLY in rubbing an iron bar with a strong magnet, IN WHICH CASE, the induction creates dielectric coherency and resultant "soft magnets"
I show in a video how I can reverse polarity in 1 SECOND on a strong (so to say) 1" sphere FERRITE magnet using a large NEO.
Your MENTAL INCAPACITY to understand in NO WAY affects the quote. ;D ;D ;D
Magnetism is the DISCHARGE of X (dielectricity). Thats right son, Magnetism is NOT PRIMARY in a "magnet"
either:
A: increased dielectric capacitance
B: coherentcy of the inter-atomic dielectric by induction from another stronger "magnet"
Your brain is fried (likely due to drinking)
In the previous post, you can see that TA refers to either passing electrical current directly thru the pre-magnet or doing the same using electromagnetic induction. As passing the current directly thru the poles of a pre-magnet makes no sense on many grounds (and is indeed not actually done when using a magnetizer) we must assume he meant that the current was passed thru the pre-magnet via electromagnetic induction.
If this were the case, I proposed that the strength acheived in the pre-magnet would be rate dependent, that is, would follow Faraday's law and that a magnetizing field with a faster rise/fall time would create a stronger field in the pre-magnet (which I did not believe in reality to be the case).
As I also suggested I would, I have been in touch with an engineer at a magnetizer company and what follows are a few points regarding those discussions:
1. The currents that are induced into a pre-magnet by the magnetizer's changing field produce magnetic fields in opposition to the magnetizer's field. This is undesirable as it can limit the field strength achieved and produce unwanted heating.
2. Although the domains typically align within less than 10ns., the rate that the magnetizer's field is applied is typically slowed to reduce the effects of induced currents.
3. Modern magnetizers typically have selectable capacitor values and adjustable peak voltage values, which, in concert with magnetizer and jig inductance, allow the time parameters of the magnetizer's field to be tailored to reduce the effects of induced currents. As the magnetizer's field reaches its peak value, and briefly holds, all induced currents cease as they are rate dependent (i.e., the currents are only induced while the magnetizer's field strength is changing)
4. In a plated magnet, the induced currents are typically contained within, or greatest within, the plating and because their magnetic fields are in opposition to the magetizer's field, they can act to shield the interior of the pre-magnet and limit the depth of the domains within the pre-magnet that can be oriented (as above, the rate of change of the demagnetizer's field must be slowed to reduce this effect)
5. As it is currently understood, and with various methods having been used to provide evidence thereof, all permanent magnet alloys, and ferrous materials in general, upon cooling below their Curie temp, form domains of approx. 10,000 atoms or atom groups. Each domain assumes a particular magnetic alignment and each domain can be considered as being already magnetized as if it were itself a magnet. Therefore, all PM alloys, and ferrous materials in general, can be considered already magnetized upon cooling below their Curie temp. The catch being that the domains assume a random, lowest energy, alignment that produces a near zero net field strength overall. There are also what are referred to as "pinning forces" that keep the domains in their random low energy orientations.
6. Not all domains can be forced to orient in the direction desired. When all the domains that can be oriented, are oriented, the magnet is said to be saturated. The field strength required to reach saturation must be sufficient to overcome the pinning forces. Once oriented, the pinning forces again act to keep the domains in this new, higher energy state.
7. The source of the magnetic field used as the source of the magnetizer field is unimportant. For a given applied field strength, that field strength is identical irregardless of whether it comes from an electromagnet or PM (although their are practical considerations regarding the use of a PM as its field cannot be turned off).
8. Other than the requirement that the magnetizing field peak value be applied for at least the minimum time required to orient the domains (typically<10ns), the rate at which the magnetizing field reaches that that peak value, or remains there, has no effect on the field achieved in the pre-magnet, accept as noted with regard to induced currents and the opposing fields they generate.
PW
The energy of the magnet is on the event horizon !!! A magnet is not a black hole !!!
Regards
an electron
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 06:55:12 PM
In the previous post, you can see that TA refers to either passing electrical current directly thru the pre-magnet or doing the same using electromagnetic induction. As passing the current directly thru the poles of a pre-magnet makes no sense on many grounds (and is indeed not actually done when using a magnetizer) we must assume he meant that the current was passed thru the pre-magnet via electromagnetic induction.
ELECTROMAGNETIC INDUCTION????? You brain dead FOOL :o
"The supreme irony is that the notion of "electromagnetism" exists at all, which definitionally cannot exist, since electricity is the product of electrostatics and magnetism....,
as meant dielectricity and magnetism .......................
(Φ x Ψ = Q, or electrification). To say "electromagnetism" is like saying, "charging-discharge", or "pregnant baby"; it is insanity. :o :o
The very term 'electromagnetism' is a compound of two
Greek terms, ἢλεκτρον, electron (amber, which creates, easily, electrostatics charges), and the term
μαγνήτης, 'magnetic', from (μαγνήτης λίθος), which means "magnesian stone", the "magic attractive stone" with natural macro-magnetic phenomena. Electricity is a hybrid Ether-modality of Φ x Ψ. Magnetism is the radiative discharge of dielectricity, or electrification in discharge at which time it terminates AS magnetism in losing its dielectric component.
Pliny states that: 'in Syria the women make the whorls of their spindles of this substance, and give it the name of harpax (from ἁρπάζω, "resonate, attract", same as the word for harp musical instrument) from the circumstance that it attracts leaves towards it, chaff, and the light fringes of tissues.'
As such we have today the term electromagnetism which is from the terms dielectricity + magnetism, which is what electricity is. However we wrongly understand and fail to differentiate magnetism, from dielectricity, and electricity.
>>>>>>>>>These three are wholly separate Ether modalities and
electricity is a hybrid of both magnetism and dielectricity in a circuit working together to create electricity." – Author
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 06:55:12 PM
If this were the case, I proposed that the strength acheived in the pre-magnet would be rate dependent, that is, would follow Faraday's law and that a magnetizing field with a faster rise/fall time would create a stronger field in the pre-magnet (which I did not believe in reality to be the case).
YOU NEVER READ FARADAY, moron........ :o :o :o
Faraday was the originator of the concept of =the magnetic field, (which is described in terms of "magnetic curves" our present day "magnetic lines of force") however
HE NEVER SO MUCH AS SUGGESTED in his works that induced currents were a resultant of changing magnetic fields. ON THE CONTRARY, he clearly associated the phenomena of electromagnetic induction with changing electrical currents.
As per Maxwell, he TOO considered EM induction as a phenomena in which a current (or EM force) is induced in a circuit. but not as a phenomena in which a changing magnetic field causes an electrical field. He CLEARLY said tha the induced EM force is............... "MEASURED BY, not CAUSED BY the changing mag field"
Just as Faraday, he made NO allusion to ANY CAUSAL link between magnetic and electric fields
----- Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 06:55:12 PM
1. The currents that are induced into a pre-magnet by the magnetizer's changing field produce magnetic fields in opposition to the magnetizer's field. This is undesirable as it can limit the field strength achieved and produce unwanted heating.
Opposition to what fool? Each side has a divergent and convergent vortex (divergent and convergent spheres).
You just quoted the obvious for WHAT REASON??
Its merely CALLED A "magnetizer" MORON, because it CREATES "magnets" , what is occurring is dielectric capacitance increase.
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 06:55:12 PM
3. Modern magnetizers typically have >>>>>>>>>>>>>selectable capacitor values <<<<<<<<<<<<< and adjustable peak voltage values, which, in concert with magnetizer and jig >>>>>>>inductance<<<<<<<<, allow the time parameters of the magnetizer's field to be tailored to reduce the effects of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>induced currents. <<<<<<<<<<<<<As the magnetizer's field reaches its peak value, and briefly holds, all>>>>>>>>>>>> induced currents <<<<<<<<<<<<<cease as they are rate dependent (i.e., the currents are only induced while the magnetizer's field strength is changing)
Its merely CALLED A "magnetizer" MORON, because it CREATES "magnets" , what is occurring is dielectric capacitance increase.
highlighted the parts your BRAIN GLOSSES OVER
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 06:55:12 PM
5. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As it is currently understood<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ((((((((TRANSLATION.....WE STILL DONT KNOW))))))))))).........., and with various methods having been used to provide evidence thereof, all permanent magnet alloys, and ferrous materials in general, upon cooling below their Curie temp, form domains of approx. 10,000 atoms or atom groups. Each domain assumes a particular magnetic alignment and each domain can be considered as being already magnetized as if it were itself a magnet. Therefore, all PM alloys, and ferrous materials in general, can be considered already magnetized upon cooling below their Curie temp. The catch being that the domains assume a random, lowest energy, alignment that produces a near zero net field strength overall. There are also what are referred to as "pinning forces" that keep the domains in their random low energy orientations.
Best part of that quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As it is currently understood<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 06:55:12 PM
7. The source of the magnetic field used as the source of the magnetizer field is unimportant. For a given applied field strength, that field strength is identical irregardless of whether it comes from an electromagnet or PM (although their are practical considerations regarding the use of a PM as its field cannot be turned off).
I SAID EXACTLY THAT MORON........ However try to get a NEO to hold its field by mere PM induction!!!!!!!!! hahahah!!!!!
I can reverse polarity on a FERRITE in 1 second of contact (as shown in the video) Idiot. ;D ;D ;D
Another point I have is with regard to TA's insistence that whatever an electron actually is (by any other name), it is a discharge or absence of something, and states that there are no negative charges.
The term positive and negative are no different than east or west, up or down, north or south. They just denote opposites. Apparently, in TA's world, current flows from positive to negative (from something to an absence of something).
Those who understand electronics or who have played with VDG's, know that current actually flows from negative (a surplus of electrons) to positive (a lack of electrons). Although conventional current flow is often considered as from plus to minus, we know in fact that the opposite occurs.
So, if we are to believe via TA that only positives exist and that there are no "negatives", i.e., flow from an area having charge to an area not having charge, why pick flow from positive to negative when it is the positive charge that is considered to be lacking? Did he arbitrarily decide to pick on the electron because we assign the word "negative" to it as if it had an actual numerical meaning?
Personally it all seems like nothing more than semantics.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 07:13:22 PM
Another point I have is with regard to TA's insistence that whatever an electron actually is (by any other name), it is a discharge or absence of something, and states that there are no negative charges.
There is no such BS as a "negative charge" only DISCHARGE. .........like saying a ball thrown in the AIR is a DIFFERENT ball that comes back (discharge) ROFL
LEARN WHAT AN ELECTRON IS:::
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc5ns3eI7k
"In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto remained obscure to us." -
Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916
Hahaahhaha
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 07:13:22 PM
The term positive and negative are no different than east or west, up or down, north or south. They just denote opposites. Apparently, in TA's world, current flows from positive to negative (from something to an absence of something).
No, they do NOT denote OPPOSITES. A "negative charge" is like saying a "walking corpse" or a "pregnant baby" or HOT ICE .............. You have a brain VIRUS ;D ;D ;D
CHARGE - DISCHARGE
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 07:13:22 PM
Those who understand electronics or who have played with VDG's, know that current actually flows from negative (a surplus of electrons) to positive (a lack of electrons). Although conventional current flow is often considered as from plus to minus, we know in fact that the opposite occurs.
Electrons???? What electrons?????????????? No such BS exists.
AC or DC???????
ELECTRICAL OR DIELECTRIC?????????? ROFL !!!!!!!!
Electricity is utterly a mass-free phenomena, as mentioned by many including Dr. Wilhelm Reich in his "Cosmic Superimposition". Mass has no logical or theoretical place in electrical units and all particle-based conceptions of it are impossible. There is no mass in T.E.M. (transverse electromagnetism).
Mother nature has never taken a course in math, algebra and she absolutely rejects the nonsense espoused by quantum. 'She' knows only about charge-discharge, spatial-counterspatial and centripetal-centrifugal spin as binary conjugates to charges and discharges. Gravity, electromagnetism and matter are all modalities of the Ether, of charges and spin. There are no negatively "charged" particles in this universe. Negative electricity discharges while positive electricity charges. The negative depolarizing force functions in the opposite manner and direction to the positive polarizing force. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, only discharges, nor are there negatively charged particles, further still not one iota of proof for same. Charge and discharge are antinomies, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are mutual and co-eternal principle conditions. The commonly held belief in nonsense such as the notion that electricity is a stream of rolling electron beads thru a conductor is one of the most insane conceptual reifications of the definition of discharge as held by so-called intelligent minds.
There are no electrons, negative charges, special-dimensions, warped space (resoundingly denied by Tesla and others), and no photons; only charge, induction and radiation/discharges and their relational spins, all as mediated thru the Ether. Quantum and Relativity is a quack religion of mathematical physics based upon the absurd premise that the universe is a giant sea of interactive massless tiny invisible beads and that space itself, nothing, mediates interactions and can be genuinely 'warped'. Such conceptual Atomistic reifications as amplified by GR (Relativity) cannot be enjoined, and the only genuine warping occurring is not out in the cosmos of space, but in the empty spaces between the ears of those who reify such absurdities; warped minds rationally would invent warped space; its purely logical in its insanity that the former produce the later.
Space has only one dimension, space, which is a metrical dimension. The use of cubic notation is habit-based, any number of co-ordinates in any number of geometries can serve to define the boundaries of space. Nature is not governed by the irrational pontifications of GR and QM, rather it is governed by mutually interactive reciprocal conjugates of charges-discharges, centripetal-centrifugal movements, both spatial and counterspatial. Instantaneous action at a distance, and fields are all Ether modality mediations as propagated by counterspace-in-disturbance, the Ether, its pressure gradients and perturbations. No other mediator can be logically hypothesized, much less theorized. The very same Ether of Tesla, Heaviside, C.P. Steinmetz, and even originally from Einstein before logic fled his mind completely, was correct and remains so. Tesla outright denied our current definition of the electron as a 'discharge particle'.
All electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force (as reified by the incorrect understanding of the definition of a 'field'), these pressure gradients, or "lines" are contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving motion to the terminus 'electron'. The thermionic 'electron' contracts, pulling the 'electron', the cathode ray stretching, pulled by the 'electron'. In the former case the lines of force are dissipated, in the latter case the line of force are projected, in both cases these so-called 'electrons' assume radial motions, with non participating pressure gradients, or forces filling the 'voids', directing the 'electrons'. Hence, it is the so-called 'electrons' (dielectric radial discharges) that travel in straight lines, that is, radially. 'Electrons' have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; the so-called 'electrons' are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. 'Electrons' are in fact the resistance. From extensive experimental work into atomic electrical science by J. J. Thompson, and Nikola Tesla, it is established that the so-called electron is only a shadow; its apparent-only physical mass is merely an electrical momentum (ejected by the dielectric inertia in disturbance). There is no rest mass to an electron nor could there be logically, a rest-electron 'bead'; such notions are absurd and evidence proven non-existent. The very premise is logically impossible and contradicts the rational physics of atomic charges and discharges.
"In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto remained obscure to us." - Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916
There is no such condition in nature as a negatively charge particle nor could there be. Charge and discharges are opposite conditions of a single subject, either protons or fields of movements and radiation of those same electrical fields. To claim that liquid in a jar (charged) is one thing, and pouring that liquid from the jar (discharge) is another liquid altogether, is nonsense, likewise compression and expansion are opposite conditions of a single subject. Compressing bodies are charging into higher potential conditions. Conversely, expanding bodies are discharging into lower potential conditions.
"To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions." –WR
Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit. One corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of what today is known incorrectly as an "electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W. Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether."
With the introduction of the so-called 'electron' by Thomson and the supposed debunking of the Ether theory, the golden age of electrical discovery ended. Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower was demolished. His work and that of other Ether researchers fell into disrepute. They were relentlessly attacked by mainstream science, something that continues to this day. As a result, the days of Ether-driven, electrical discovery petered-out, finally ending around 1930. As a direct and intentional result of the academic physics theory, the methodology behind the brilliant inventiveness of previous generations was all but wiped out and replaced by an unproductive particle physics. This, from the cult of quantum, a fraudulent collusion and academic hubris-based pseudo-conspiracy based in "deep thinking insanity" designed by mathematical physics.
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the 'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" -
C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses) The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings "Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve Biller
"Here we will dispel the "electronics nerd" concept that a capacitor stores "electrons" in its plates. Taking the pair of copper plates as in the previous experiment, but now we have two pairs of plates, one pair of plates distant from the other pair of plates. Upon one pair of plates is imposed an electro-static potential between them. The cube of 10-C oil is inserted between this "charged" set of plates. This hereby establishes a dielectric field of induction within the unit cube of 10-C oil. Now we then remove this cube of oil, withdrawing it from the space bounded by the charged pair of copper plates, and taking this unit cube of oil, it is then inserted into the space bounded by the other uncharged pair of plates. Upon insertion it is found that the un-charged pair of plates have now in fact become charged also. It here can be seen that a cube of dielectric induction can be carried through space, from one set of plates to another set of plates."
Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction. "The notion exists that the electro-motive force, E.M.F. in volts, is established by "cutting" lines of magnetic induction via a so-called electric conductor. This "cutting" is then said to impel the motions of so-called electrons within the conducting material. It is however that a perfect conductor cannot "cut" through lines of induction, or flux lines, Phi. Heaviside points out that the perfect conductor is a perfect obstructer and magnetic induction cannot gain entry into the so-called conducting material. So where is the current, how then does an E.M.F. come about? Now enters the complication; it can be inferred that an electrical generator that is wound with a perfect conducting material cannot produce an E.M.F. No lines of flux can be cut and the Ether gets wound up in a knot.
Heaviside remarks that the practitioners of his day "do a good deal of churning up the Ether in their dynamos". – E. Dollard
TA,
if you somehow do not mean "electromagnetic" induction, I suggest you quit posting images of wireless power transmission systems as evidence or support of whatever it is you mean. Those systems DO use (and obey) electromagnetic induction, and I am sure most readers here will agree, that is indeed what we thought you were saying (at least that is what I understood) precisely because you do post those wireless system images..
Also, you surely DID draw a distinction between creating a magnet with a PM versus some electrical means. Again, I am sure most readers got that impression as well, in fact, you seem to draw a distinction between weak magnets and powerful magnets as if this difference is related to one being "charged" or having greater "capacitance" due to some electrical phenomenon.
Again, that is indeed the impression you have given, I'll leave it up to others to search back thru the invective that is this thread to look for quotes where you state as much.
PW
Another display of crazy behaviour. TK got it right, this whole effect has nothing to do with magnetism. That's what is implicit in my equation that describes the main things taking place in the clip.
More tempests in teapots and the desire to fit any peg into a any hole.
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 07:23:19 PM
if you somehow do not mean "electromagnetic" induction, I suggest you quit posting images of wireless power transmission systems as evidence or support of whatever it is you mean. Those systems DO use (and obey) electromagnetic induction, and I am sure most readers here will agree, that is indeed what we thought you were saying (at least that is what I understood) precisely because you do post those wireless system images..
You dont know the diff. between magneto-motive force and electromotive force EMF MMF
ROFL
CAPACITANCE is one thing DUMMY............INDUCTION is another......
You are a CLUELESS BOOB, you dont know that Electricity is the COMBO of Phi x Psi (mag and dielectrcity!!!)
Back to square one with you
Energy, in its most arch-typical form, is embodied in the phenomenon of
Electricity, but what is Electricity? Now our wheels even more stuck in the
mud! But we have important clues, namely that of polarity, not plus or
minus so much but more like male or female. This thought follows from
Goethe to Tesla and Steinmetz. Thus Electricity, in order to manifest, a
UNION must develop. This is the union of the "male", or projective, and
"multiplied by" the "female", or receptive. Hereby, the male is the dielectric
field in counterspace (of per centimeters), and the magnetic field or female
in space (of centimeters squared). Space in cm squared is what you pay for
in "real estate", counterspace in per cm is the space between the lines on a
ruler, or between molecules in a crystal.
For the Electricity extant between a pair of wires in your lamp cord, the
closer the wires, the more capacitance, and thus the more Dielectricity.
Conversely, for the same cord, the farther apart the wires, the more
inductance and thus the more Magnetism. Therefore it is seen that the
smaller the space (the more counterspace) the more Dielectricity that can be
stored, and conversely the larger the space between the wires (the more
real estate) the more Magnetism that can be stored. Very simple, do not let
your mind make it any more complicated than that!
Quote from: MileHigh on August 05, 2014, 07:25:59 PM
TK got it right, this whole effect has nothing to do with magnetism.
Idiots make claims and descriptions.
The WISE EXPLAIN and PROVE
Continuing then it has been given that the total electrification Q is the
union, or product, of the total dielectric induction Psi, and the total
magnetic induction Phi. In other words, the dimensional relationship Q,
the total electrification, is the product of the dimension of total dielectric
induction Psi, and the dimension of total magnetic induction Phi. Hence we
have FOUR primary dimensions in electrical engineering. These are:
1) Time
2) Space
3) Dielectricity
4) MagnetismEvery other relation, quantity, or expression, Volt, Amp, Ohm, etc. is
derived from these FOUR dimensions. Time and Space are the metrical
dimensions; Dielectricity and Magnetism are the physical dimensions. It is
that basic
Nice copy-pasta.
Now explain how a CRT actually works. You cannot. Construct a radio transmitter, predicting its behaviour mathematically, then demonstrating it works according to the math. You cannot. Cite an actual reference for your statements like "engineering texts or even an eighth grade book will tell you that Magnetism is the termination of Electricity." You cannot.
Explain how the VanDeGraaff machine works. You cannot. Explain the anode tufts embedded in a cathodic plasma. You cannot. Explain the dirod demonstration. You cannot.
And on and on. Kenny, Big Daddy-0, Aryasattvan, Ulf Hansrimehr, you cannot engineer with your silly metaphoric delusions. The Tooth Fairy is a nice way to explain how that quarter got under your pillow. Your delusion is your own private Tooth Fairy. See if she brings you any more quarters.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:29:57 PM
Nice copy-pasta.
Now explain how a CRT actually works.
Yes, you and other morons think there are "shooting electrons" in a CRT :o :o
GO LEARN WHAT AN "electron" is moron, from someone that ACTUALLY KNOWS , and ACTUALLY builds and creates stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc5ns3eI7kThis coming from the moron who used a TOY TIRE ON A STICK to "prove" something that the EXPERIMENT shows contrary movement
ROFL !!!!!!!!!
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:57:27 AM
In the case of the magnet it is being lagged behind by the point of contact: the center of rotation.
What you fail to grasp is the PHYSICAL magnet is ONE THING,........its FIELD POLARITY is another thing...........fields DO NOT "see" PHYSICAL MOVEMENT
The inverse spin is due to closest point of contact fields chasing voidance pressures , NOT chasing physical directions.
This is where your BEER SOAKED BRAIN FAILS YOU........... You can move a magnet in ANY DIRECTION, but the direction of FIELD VOIDANCE ('attraction') will always be the same.
Just as if you had a PHYSICAL GEAR ......and a MAGNETIC "GEAR"
Video 1 EXPLAINS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVw3xhPZywc
Video 2 REPLICATES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMYTL_6hA0
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:57:27 AM
Huh? The video linked in your posted quote is _my_ video, isn't it?
Notice that it also directly refutes the claims about direction made by the Greatest Buddhist Scientist above. The direction of rotation is determined by the force couple. In the case of the rolling wheel, it is being pulled along by the center of rotation and lagged by the contact of the wheel with the substrate. In the case of the magnet it is being lagged behind by the point of contact: the center of rotation. The couple predicts exactly the direction of rotation for both cases.
You left out the important point in your professional TOY TRUCK WHEEL ON A STICK DEMO, you beer guzzling Aussie wanka. ..........
B: the disk magnet or steel disk will PRECESS OPPOSITE to the direction of movement (why steel also? still in magnetic induction)
Youre Fing truck wheel does NOT. ;D ;D ;D
FAIL
Answer me THIS ONE..........why is it 95% of Aussies have their BRAINS floating in BOOZE 99% of the time?????? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Kenny,
Did you say "electrical engineering?" Certainly don't try to associate yourself with electrical engineering. Just like I used to say about Aaron M., you wouldn't last more than 15 minutes as a junior bench technician in a real electronics lab.
Also remember this: PW is the elephant when it comes to this stuff, and you are the ant. Every time you make derogatory insulting remarks towards PW trying to claim that he doesn't know anything is just you playing the fool and painting yourself into a corner.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on August 05, 2014, 07:36:09 PM
Did you say "electrical engineering?" Certainly don't try to associate yourself with electrical engineering. Just like I used to say about Aaron M., you wouldn't last more than 15 minutes as a junior bench technician,
I retired at age 32 and translate ancient Greek for fun......... I sit at nobodys bench learning about IMAGINARY DISCHARGE PARTICLES
ROFL !!!
Quote from: MileHigh on August 05, 2014, 07:36:09 PM
Also remember this: PW is the elephant when it comes to this stuff, and you are the ant. Every time you make derogatory insulting remarks towards PW trying to claim that he doesn't know anything is just you playing the fool and painting yourself into a corner.
Also remember this, moron , spending 30 years learning how to "FIGHT DRAGONS" , shit that doesnt exist, means only ONE THING.
......you WASTED YOUR TIME!!!!
8)
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:40:26 PM
8)
My associate taught a 15 year how to build his own TESLA COIL.
the kid built one
It works
Hes a fucking kid and has NO FUCKING IDEA :::1. what is going on
2. cannot explain it
3. cannot tell you the HOW / WHY of charge , discharge.
Monkeys can make things son,.........you are a MONKEY
It takes wisdom to COMPREHEND it, and EXPLAIN it.
Congrats, you can make "pretty sparks".....................so could the fucking KID!!!!!!!!
Quote
For the Electricity extant between a pair of wires in your lamp cord, the
closer the wires, the more capacitance, and thus the more Dielectricity.
Conversely, for the same cord, the farther apart the wires, the more
inductance and thus the more Magnetism. Therefore it is seen that the
smaller the space (the more counterspace) the more Dielectricity that can be
stored, and conversely the larger the space between the wires (the more
real estate) the more Magnetism that can be stored.
So does "dielectricity" also follow W=1/2 CV
2?
In your example above, as the distance is decreased, the ability of the dielectric to hold off voltage is also decreased.
PW
8)
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:45:16 PM
8)
Chinese women build IPHONES in a factory.
They have NO FING IDEA how they work.You're nothing but a monkey following PLANS and building shit,
but dont know "what the hell is going on"
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 05, 2014, 07:44:38 PM
My associate taught a 15 year how to build his own TESLA COIL.
the kid built one
It works
Hes a fucking kid and has NO FUCKING IDEA :::
1. what is going on
2. cannot explain it
3. cannot tell you the HOW / WHY of charge , discharge.
Monkeys can make things son,.........you are a MONKEY
It takes wisdom to COMPREHEND it, and EXPLAIN it.
Congrats, you can make "pretty sparks".....................so could the fucking KID!!!!!!!!
But YOU clearly CANNOT, and that is the point, Kenny baby.
You can't even do what a fifteen year old "fucking KID!!!!!" can do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_rgB3WlXtU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_rgB3WlXtU)
Who is that beer-swilling Aussie I wonder?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 05, 2014, 07:47:49 PM
Chinese women build IPHONES in a factory.
They have NO FING IDEA how they work.
You're nothing but a monkey following PLANS and building shit, but dont know "what the hell is going on"
Show me a plan for what is in those photos above. You cannot.
The people assembling the phones you speak of did not design them. But the people who DID design them would laugh you and your silly delusions out of the room in an instant.
You are accumulating a whole passel of FAIL, today, Kenny. Maybe you should stick to metaphysics, because your physics just ain't working. Mate.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:48:54 PM
But YOU clearly CANNOT, and that is the point, Kenny baby.
You can't even do what a fifteen year old "fucking KID!!!!!" can do.
Lets see my MILLION VOLT TESLA COIL I BUILT with my associatehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKl_JhNVWM
AGAIN.........YOU ARE A PROVEN FUCKING LIAR...........
made a little IPHONE video afterwards to show others
YET AGAIN, time and time and time again.............You are proven a LIAR / scum.
I HAND WOUND 6 coils THIS MONTH ALONE for testing..... what about you girl?
Oh dear the rapping up in complexity is conformation of a mind less its electron mass ! NO MASS NO DOPLOR OR DIPPLE ! SPACE TIME CURITURE EXISITS AROUND THE EVENT HORIZON OF AN ELECTRON BECAUSE AN ELECTRON HASS MASS ... MASS IS THE CONSTRUCT OF CONDENSED LINES OF FORCE ......
MASS IS GRAVITY !!!!!!!! DIELECTRIC IS ENERGY !!!!!!!!! SO THE MAGNET IS SPINING OVER A LENSE THAT IS DUE TO REFRACTION OF THE FIELD INCREASEING THE TIGHTING OF THE PARTICLES IN THE FIELD ..... REMEMBER IF YOU STOP MOVEING ONE MAGNET THAN THERE IS NO SPIN ...... YOUR A GREEK PHLOSOPHER TA NOT A PARTICLE PHYISIST ... YOU CAN KID A MONKEY TO THINK A PAINTED STONE IS A BANNA BUT THATS ALL .........
THE LESSON YOU NEED TO LEARN IS MASS NOTHING ELSE ......... EVERYTHING HAS MASS !!!!!!!! ITS NO DIFFRENT THAN CONDENSED LIGHT TRAPED IN A GRAVITY BUBBLE SOUROUNDED BY CHARGE !!!! NEGATIVE NEUTRAL POSITIVE ..... CAUSE AND REACTION !!!!!! AND YOU ARE SOUNDING LIKE A FRUIT CAKE WITHOUT FRUIT ..... STOP IT !!!!!!!!
There is no time or space in your equations ???? no numbers ?????? just symbols you pulled out of a book you don't understand !!!! now show the field lines moving prove that there is a change in entropy and except mass as a unit of energy and force even if it is invisible or of the known spectrum ... you don't have a degree in physics all you know is mumbo jumbo nincompoop mathematics without numbers and I am sure your on drugs !!!!!
learn what condensed matter is and the quantized states for electrons are ! Electrons rise and fall at set harmonic levels ! starting at -13.6v ........ learn that number and its relationship with the mass of an electron .. Mass does not have to have geometric structure to exist and is why we need to alter it when in a particle excel orator and collide it with an atom ..... The event horizon of an electron is where the energy is but its mass is held tightly at its centre by its gravity ......
Don't let me teach you your error or it will be a very big hammering that you will get !!!! except mass as a force that holds the event horizon together or the galaxy would fly apart !!! That's why dark matter is a super string many times smaller than a neutrino ....... That stupid spinning magnet is no more than a kids spinning top toy and you are going way over the top trying to prove that it has no mass or charge .... Try it with only one magnet or your theory is a dead duck quak quak quak ... keep on and your theory will entre daffy ducks school of fame ......
me
The logarithmic spiral is the shortest spiral with the maximum electromagnetic torque.
Gravock
So "negative" is like saying pregnant baby?
It is the positive charge we consider as lacking something. A terminal labeled as "negative" is considered to have a surplus of electrons. Conversely, a positive terminal is lacking electrons, and electrons will flow into a more positive area to "fill the void" (so to speak).
Maybe we should just reverse the labeling? The Brits use opposite color conventions. That's a start.
Again, mere semantics. What possible function does it serve to simply rename things?
An electron is, to me, no more or less real than any other particle...
PW
Quote from: gravityblock on August 05, 2014, 08:11:33 PM
The logarithmic spiral is the shortest spiral with the maximum electromagnetic torque.
Gravock
beautiful stuff
natures "straight lines are all spins"
your article said---
(pic below)
funny stuff
Quote
(from TA)
You left out the important point in your professional TOY TRUCK WHEEL ON A STICK DEMO, you beer guzzling Aussie wanka. ..........B: the disk magnet or steel disk will PRECESS OPPOSITE to the direction of movement (why steel also? still in magnetic induction)Youre Fing truck wheel does NOT
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it does... as the stick moves 'up' which would be clockwise around the circle, the wheel is turning counter clockwise... as it moves down, (and the motion to continue around) it would be ccw, but the wheel is moving clockwise.
the center of the sticks circular motion is to the right side of the stick and wheel....But I keep showing my cat that I fed her; but she insists that I feed her. Can drop a cat on food and can't make her eat (she gets very upset when I put her nose in it)
------Regarding the single-force; even moreso the centripetal xor centrifugal single aspect you show, in both cases will e in the same direction, and will not make a cross-hatched pattern... but instead all arms will be exactly aligned with all other arms... when stacked so pole 2 and pole 1 experience a force that accelerates them closer (sure wish I could use s simple word like 'in attraction' )it would only cross if you were considering centriptetal on one of the magnets and centrifugal on the other; but you iterated twice that you were only using one of the fields for a simplified demonstration... which again will have no counter-crossing.If looking at the bottom of one and the top of the other, then to look at them both in the aspect of the other, you have to flip one or the other over... side-by-side they would be cw and ccw, but when you stack them, there's a rotation that makes them be (cw and cw) xor (ccw and ccw); so instead of looking at a top and a bottom you're looking at them from the same top xor bottom perspective.
(to be clear xor is exclusive-or... one or the other and never both or none)------But in a different discussion; I'd like to know what you used to seal your ferro-cell.... but somehow expect you to say 'yadda-yadda patent yadda-yadda' ... like is it important to have the edge be transparent? Are the lights really refract/reflect-ing off the surface and not being transmitted through the fluid?
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
It is the positive charge we consider as lacking something. A terminal labeled as "negative" is considered to have a surplus of electrons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>is considered<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
what electrons??? dont exist.
Thats like saying "most people think that......."
Quote from: picowatt on August 05, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
The Brits use opposite color conventions. That's a start.
The BRITISH ASSHOLES , the ATOMISTS, are the ones that FORCED JJ Thomson to (HE DID NOT WANT TO) reify the "electron" as a particle.
you mean THOSE BRITISH ASSHOLES.....???? ROFL!!!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 05, 2014, 08:07:54 PM
Lets see my MILLION VOLT TESLA COIL I BUILT with my associate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKl_JhNVWM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKl_JhNVWM)
AGAIN.........YOU ARE A PROVEN FUCKING LIAR...........
made a little IPHONE video afterwards to show others
YET AGAIN, time and time and time again.............You are proven a LIAR / scum.
I HAND WOUND 6 coils THIS MONTH ALONE for testing..... what about you girl?
More utter fail from Kenny NoCanDo! That is what you call a "million volt Tesla Coil"? I laugh in your face, impotent incompetent nincompoop.
That's not a Tesla coil. THIS is a TESLA COIL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U)
Have you ever heard of "spark gap tables", Kenny baby? ROFL. You wouldn't know a megavolt if you woke up next to one.
(I wound six coils YESTERDAY, punk, and my coils WORK.)
Quote from: d3x0r on August 05, 2014, 08:22:58 PM
it does... as the stick moves 'up' which would be clockwise around the circle, the wheel is turning counter clockwise... as it moves down, (and the motion to continue around) it would be ccw, but the wheel is moving clockwise.
Just checked again to make sure I didnt have a brain fahrt.......... NOPE, you're wrong
care to see a video (have to make) of same??
Either
A: you are explaining one thing and SAYING another
B: you didnt test it YOURSELF (as i just did AGAIN)
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 08:30:40 PM
More utter fail from Kenny NoCanDo! That is what you call a "million volt Tesla Coil"? I laugh in your face, impotent incompetent nincompoop.
That's not a Tesla coil. THIS is a TESLA COIL.
Let me quote you, you lying SCUMQuote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:48:54 PM
But YOU clearly CANNOT, and that is the point, Kenny baby.
You can't even do what a fifteen year old "fucking KID!!!!!" can do.
A: I proved I built one (have built 3)
Lets see my MILLION VOLT TESLA COIL I BUILT with my associate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKl_JhNVWM
B: PROVED YOU, AGAIN, A LIAR
End of story. You're SCUM.
There is hope for you TA !!! just work with the mathematics of mass 1 coulomb of electrons is 1 amp 1mm volt is a coulomb of bosons !!! bosons are at the bottom of a wave function and you cant see them on the OS but there real ................ now the graviton and that is like your picture so your close but its only got 2 vectors of spin you have to many lines of force and there is your error .
mass charge spin discharge ......... movement ........
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 05, 2014, 08:32:45 PM
Just checked again to make sure I didnt have a brain fahrt.......... NOPE, you're wrong
care to see a video (have to make) of same??
Either
A: you are explaining one thing and SAYING another
B: you didnt test it YOURSELF (as i just did AGAIN)
;D ;D ;D
depends on where you consider the center of rotation of the stick to be... whether to the left or to the right of the short path demonstrated. If you consider that it's to the left (where the hand is) then CW(stick)=CW(wheel)... but if the stick is tipped outward from the center (to the right of the hand) then CW (stick)=CCW(wheel).
Really hard to say, since it was a short linear path that was used.
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 05, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
There is hope for you TA !!! just work with the mathematics of mass 1 coulomb of electrons is 1 amp 1mm volt is a coulomb of bosons !!! bosons are at the bottom of a wave function and you cant see them on the OS but there real ................ now the graviton and that is like your picture so your close but its only got 2 vectors of spin you have to many lines of force and there is your error .
mass charge spin discharge ......... movement ........
But there's no such thing as a stationary electron :) since all electrons are moving all the time... so there is no 'rest' mass.... so it might be argued they have no potential mass and only kinetic mass.
yes, it's splitting hairs. :)
Quote from: d3x0r on August 05, 2014, 08:36:38 PM
depends on where you consider the center of rotation of the stick to be.
Thats a bit sophistic. :o
its a ROD, if i ROLL the rod with the END skywards, the disk rolls in the same direction at i move the rod around a silicone ring
SAME if the ROD is rolled the other way, disk rolls (obviously) in the direction of travel, NEVER INVERSE to travel.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 05, 2014, 08:36:38 PM
If you consider that it's to the left (where the hand is) then CW(stick)=CW(wheel)... but if the stick is tipped outward from the center (to the right of the hand) then CW (stick)=CCW(wheel).
Really hard to say, since it was a short linear path that was used.
Make a video, your words are a tad unclear.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 05, 2014, 08:39:55 PM
since all electrons are moving all the time... so there is no 'rest' mass.... so it might be argued they have no potential mass and only kinetic mass.
Pretty sure you and Tinman and CaptZero and few others are the only ones on this board with BRAINS
well put. ;D ;D
Even TESLA used term "electron" he however DENIED ANY SUCH horseshit that it was a fucking PARTICLE , or "discharge particle"
ARSHOLES ??? BRITISH ARSHOLES ??? YOUR SHIT STINKS TO MUCH TA ......... YOUR MOUTH IS TO WIDE AND YOUR BRAIN WELL THAT IS A NEURO MESS OF ELECTRON MASS !!!
MASS IS THE ONLY WAY TO UNDERSTAND THE MATHMATICS BECAUSE YOU NEED NUMBERS NOT JUST WORDS ......... SPIRIALS EVERYWHERE AT INFINITE SIZES SMALL AND BIG BUT ITS ALL MASS ......... YOU THICK PLANK OF WOOD ........... HAHHAHAHAH NOW SHOW ME YOUR FREE ENERGY TECHNOLOGY THE ONE YOU INVENTED WITH NO MASS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH
I WILL SHOW YOU MINE ............. IN FACT YOU CAN BUY MINE ......... BECAUSE ITS REAL !!!!!! BRITHISH MASTER CRAFTS MAN PERFECTED BY THE ELECTRON AND PUMPS EVERY GRID ON THE PLANET ...WITH AMPS .......VOLTS ............ WAVES ........... HAHAHAHA ANY GENERATOR YOU MAKE IS NOT EVEN A PUFF OF SMOKE YOU MONKEY HAHAHAHAH LOL XXXX
Funny how my flawed, incorrect understanding allows me to design and build things that work. Isn't it?
Things for which no plans, other than my own, exist.
Kenny, I know a lot more about you than you apparently think I know. I can document several HUGE lies you have told in this thread. But out of respect for others (something you will never be capable of understanding in your psychopathology) I'm not going to discuss them here. But I will discuss them.... elsewhere.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 05, 2014, 08:41:05 PM
Make a video, your words are a tad unclear.
http://youtu.be/5UCoOtgQ6wE
Compare Ta's screenshot 2022 with these other images!
Image 1: TA's screenshot 2022
Image 2: The Jackson Spiral
Image 3: The tablet of Shamash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_of_Shamash)
Image 4: Cymatic frequency
Image 5: Coral castle (built by Edward Leedskalnin) and the Tablet of Shamash at 45o. Please take note, the legs of the table has the appearance of being lifted off the ground.
Image 6 & 7 (figure 12 & 11): Ioannis Xydous renders a 2D topology of the aether, which consists of vortex (positron or positive half wave) and an anti-vortex (electron or negative half wave) pairs. The E/M wave also consists of a pair of opposing vortices as found in figure 11 below. Figure 11 and figure 12 can be seen in Ioannis Xydous latest work, titled "An Alternate Quantum Physics" (AQP).
Gravock
Got a three-chip CCD video camera? Here's how a CCD actually works.
http://www.specinst.com/What_Is_A_CCD.html
The people who design these things believe in electrons, use them daily, describe them in terms that are internally and externally consistent. Their model predicts the behaviour of electrons and corresponds with experiment. Further, it can be used to _control_ the entities with which it deals.
The Great Buddhist Scientist's model which denies the existence of electrons and photons? Not so much. Another big can of FAIL for Kenny baby, coil winder, linguist, college grad who learned nothing and can't see past his own Moire patterns.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 05, 2014, 09:03:17 PM
Awesome stuff, its all spin ;D
You want the document for printing out those patterns????
I can upload them for you.
HERE THEY ARE::
http://kathodos.com/SP1.pdf
http://kathodos.com/SP2.pdf
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 09:10:00 PM
Got a three-chip CCD video camera? Here's how a CCD actually works.
NOPE, I have 2 of them, and OLD one, and new one.
below is my OLD one, still fun.
My new one is a Panasonic HC-X920
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 09:10:00 PM
The people who design these things believe in electrons
And little girls believe in angels. PROVING JACK SHIT
Notice the opposing vortices of the E/M wave as described by Ioannis Xydous can also be found within the green rectangle in the Tablet of Shamash.
Gravock
And the people who designed that thing laugh at you. The proof that THEY are right is right there in the photo, many layers deep. All the "proof" you have to offer is... a "megavolt" tesla coil that can't even get out of its own way and barely sparks, barely puts out a field strong enough to light a gas tube, and was built "with" or rather BY your "associate".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kze7xQaCFac
Below is a copy and paste of another members post (synchro1) of another thread
A new thread entitled the "Solid State Synchro Coil" is in the docks. The "Gyres" of William Butler Yeats resemble the expanding and contracting nature of the longitudinal wave:
Quote from: gravityblock on August 05, 2014, 09:56:53 PM
Notice the opposing vortices of the E/M wave as described by Ioannis Xydous can also be found within the green rectangle in the Tablet of Shamash.
Gravock
we dont have our EYEBALLS on nature like they did back then, ......Viktor Schauberger had been preaching that fact for a long time.
nature is screaming as us dumb humans, but we arent listening.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 05, 2014, 09:59:51 PM
Below is a copy and paste of another members post (synchro1) of another thread
A new thread entitled the "Solid State Synchro Coil" is in the docks. The "Gyres" of William Butler Yeats resemble the expanding and contracting nature of the longitudinal wave:
natures natural fulcrums ;D
charge - discharge
divergent and convergent.
Here we today talk about "electromagnetism" which is like saying "charging discharge"......... well, a SYSTEM can be "electromagnetic" , a circuit etc. but "electromagnetism" is just NONSENSE.
SUCK-A-PEDIA::::::
Electromagnetism, or the electromagnetic force is one of the four fundamental interactions in nature
WHAT THE F*CK??? electricity is ONE form of hybrid Ether-modality (dielectricity and magnetism) and magnetism is another thing.
"Electricity has become a cult, where dielectricity, natures more primitive form of charge, is IGNORED" - EPD
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 05, 2014, 10:00:17 PM
we dont have our EYEBALLS on nature like they did back then, ......Viktor Schauberger had been preaching that fact for a long time.
nature is screaming as us dumb humans, but we arent listening.
Ancient Knowledge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAWf3F8_zQk) (video) for those who may be interested.
Gravock
Let's review.
Kenny can't cite proper references for several claims he's made.
Kenny can't explain the operation of a color CRT tube.
Kenny can't explain the dirod, the stationary anode tufts, the plasma striations. He can't explain the TKTerella.
Kenny can't make a Tesla coil that operates properly.
Kenny can't explain the CCD, the maglev ES motor, the 6 90 volt neons powered by a single AAA battery. He can't explain my wireless power system.
Kenny can't explain _my_ TinselKoil 4, which is a unique design for which no plans exist anywhere on the internet, other than my own, or my SassyClassE SSTC, or my TinselKoil 2.0 for which there are also no plans anywhere except for my own.
In short.... KENNY CAN'T. Irrelevant impotent deluded whiner, that's our Kenny L. Wheeler. He knows everything already, so he doesn't have to do any homework which might show him just how wrong and irrelevant he actually is.
TinKoa,
I'm grievously disappointed. It would seem that
you've ran out of ammunition and this has energized
a trance-formation into womanly tactics. :o
A very bitter woman at that. ::)
AT is right because all his critics are little boys or, even worse, little girls. That makes AT the only credible voice in this thread. That's how science works, sons.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 05, 2014, 11:05:37 PM
TinKoa,
I'm grievously disappointed. It would seem that
you've ran out of ammunition and this has energized
a trance-formation into womanly tactics. :o
A very bitter woman at that. ::)
You act like you think anybody cares what you think!
That's even more hilarious than Ulf Hansrimmer's delusions.
I would argue Sea Monkey that you are a sellout. I know from previous technical discussions with you that you know that Kenny is dead wrong in nearly everything he is saying.
You have this peverse desire to back the alternative guy no matter what, yet you are fully aware that he is talking junk. Likewise, when TK speaks good common electronics and magnetics sense in his debate with Kenny, you say nothing.
You are a sellout and it's a not too uncommon trait among people that take exception to the rational analysis of a given free energy proposition.
MileHigh
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 05, 2014, 11:05:37 PM
TinKoa,
I'm grievously disappointed. It would seem that
you've ran out of ammunition and this has energized
Hes likely just a boozer of some variety. His psychology reflects same. ;D
I post him a pic of the 1 million volt Tesla coil i created in one of my older vids......
he still says I "havent built anything" Hes scum.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 10:10:53 PM
Let's review.
Kenny can't cite proper references for several claims he's made.
Kenny can't explain the operation of a color CRT tube.
Kenny can't explain the dirod, the stationary anode tufts, the plasma striations. He can't explain the TKTerella.
Kenny can't make a Tesla coil that operates properly.
Kenny can't explain the CCD, the maglev ES motor, the 6 90 volt neons powered by a single AAA battery. He can't explain my wireless power system.
Kenny can't explain _my_ TinselKoil 4, which is a unique design for which no plans exist anywhere on the internet, other than my own, or my SassyClassE SSTC, or my TinselKoil 2.0 for which there are also no plans anywhere except for my own.
In short.... KENNY CAN'T. Irrelevant impotent deluded whiner, that's our Kenny L. Wheeler. He knows everything already, so he doesn't have to do any homework which might show him just how wrong and irrelevant he actually is.
Ken's expertise is magnets. That's what most people are on this thread to find out more about. If you're looking for someone to explain other things, maybe you should look elsewhere.
Quote from: Bob Smith on August 06, 2014, 12:00:41 AM
Ken's expertise is magnets. That's what most people are on this thread to find out more about. If you're looking for someone to explain other things, maybe you should look elsewhere.
Im uploading the funniest video cracking on TinfoilKoala dung. However I never mention him. I cracked myself UP ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0lAwHevPI
he didnt stick in college long enough to learn and differentiate this:
MOVE: go in a specified direction or manner; change position.
ROTATE: move or cause to move in a circle around an axis or center.
SPIN: a rapid turning or whirling motion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0lAwHevPIYes, I have a sense of humor ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Frictionless BALL - DISK levitation / suspension
make your own for $12 ;D
Looks like Saturn? ;)
N45 3/4 NEO BALL
N48 3/4 I.D. RING MAG NEO
You are not levitating anything there Kenny boy liar. Anyone can see that the two objects ARE IN CONTACT. That's not levitation, any more than sitting a brick on a table top is levitation.
This is levitation, and it's done 100 percent according to the model you despise and think you can replace with your delusional system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkiGTWODERo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkiGTWODERo)
(Isn't a Grand Theory of Everything supposed to be able to handle.... everything? Plasmas, electricity, computers.... the Greatest Buddhist Scientist's GUT is a complete description of reality, isn't it? So why are people suddenly telling me that the phenomena I illustrate aren't "fair game" for challenges? I know why.)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 06, 2014, 01:01:04 AM
Im uploading the funniest video cracking on TinfoilKoala dung. However I never mention him. I cracked myself UP ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0lAwHevPI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0lAwHevPI)
he didnt stick in college long enough to learn and differentiate this:
MOVE: go in a specified direction or manner; change position.
ROTATE: move or cause to move in a circle around an axis or center.
SPIN: a rapid turning or whirling motion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0lAwHevPI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0lAwHevPI)
Yes, I have a sense of humor ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The only sense you have is the smell of your own upper lip. You, who cannot even cite a reference; you, who cannot get a publication past the real editors of real peer-reviewed scientific literature. My papers, published long ago, are still being cited in their narrow field of research and the concepts I first identified and formalized are actually being used today in places you might have been recently--- they were applied to you without you even knowing it.
So you can take you lies and calumnies that you think describe me and do whatever you like with them. When the time comes, the full documentation will come out.
Like I told you weeks ago, I have lab notebooks that are older than you, baby Kenny, and my college degrees actually mean something.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 06, 2014, 05:31:23 AM
Like I told you weeks ago, I have lab notebooks that are older than you
Proving only Proclus was correct ........
"Old he is, but wasted in years, only age has grown on him, not wisdom" - Proclus. "The fool confuses the experience of his elders with wisdom, this is how the world runs astray following after experienced fools, aged, but unwise" - Sutta Nipata
How many notebooks you have son? I have 11, 250 pages each, all FULL.
Greek translations, Prakrit translations, Sanskrit translations, discovery after discovery.
Any fool can fill a book with notes.
Madmen in insane wards are often seen doing same. Proving,.............nothing.
There are no fools here who confuse AGE with WISDOM, knock on the door of some fool, maybe they will buy your bullshit.
Τί οὖν; Ἤ, ὥσπερ πᾶν, ὅσον πρὸ τούτου ἐγεννᾶτο, ἀμόρφωτον ἐγεννᾶτο, εἰδοποιεῖτο δὲ τῷ ἐπιστρέφεσθαι πρὸς τὸ γεννῆσαν οἷον ἐκτρεφόμενον, οὕτω δὴ καὶ ἐνταῦθα τὸ γεννηθὲν οὐ ψυχῆς ἔτι εἶδος — οὐ γὰρ ἔτι ζῇ
;D
Lux et Veritas
Go make us another STICK and WHEEL video monkey :o
Aussie tosser
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TinselKoala said:
You have once again demonstrated that you have no idea what you are talking about. Daddy-o.
TinselKoala said:
Wrong again, dirty filthy liar.
TinselKoala said:
you simply are too ignorant to be able to make a proper citation... or you can't actually find one that backs up your claims.
Or, as I believe... BOTH.
TinselKoala said:
People who don't work but just type and talk and get tattooed might have clean hands and trimmed fingernails... but that doesn't seem to keep them from being banned from forum after website after bloghosting site because of their shit-mouthed insults and crybaby disrespect of those who actually do know their stuff and can make it work. Kiss Kiss, baby boy Kenny.
TinselKoala said:
Not only do you display your lack of reading comprehension, you are even too stupid to realize when you have been soundly refuted.
TinselKoal siad:
My dirty hands come from working in dirty places. Where did your dirty mouth come from?
TinselKoal said:
And you are an insane person. Look at all your talent and the qualifications you are constantly reminding us of. Look at your posture chair patents, your wall panels, your magic motor. Look at all your videos and books you write. (Ignore your reputation amongst the Buddhist community.) And then explain what you are doing, spending hours and hours a day on an insignificant web forum of hobbyists, arguing with people you think are stupid, beneath you, not worthy of your respect. There is something seriously wrong with you, Kenneth, and you should seek professional help.
TinselKoal said:
Apparently his observation skills aren't all that, after all. And his mind is sooo oooppen it appears to have run out his ears and gotten all over his chest. Or is that some kind of tattoo?
the Greatest Buddhist Scientist. Never even heard of Beer and Johnston. Must have been too busy translating Sanskrit pornography or something.
TinselKoala said:
Kenny, Big Daddy-0, Aryasattvan, Ulf Hansrimehr, you cannot engineer with your silly metaphoric delusions. The Tooth Fairy is a nice way to explain how that quarter got under your pillow. Your delusion is your own private Tooth Fairy. See if she brings you any more quarters.
TinselKoala said:
But YOU clearly CANNOT, and that is the point, Kenny baby.
You can't even do what a fifteen year old "fucking KID!!!!!" can do.
TinselKoala said:
You are accumulating a whole passel of FAIL, today, Kenny. Maybe you should stick to metaphysics, because your physics just ain't working. Mate.
TinselKoala said:
More utter fail from Kenny NoCanDo! That is what you call a "million volt Tesla Coil"? I laugh in your face, impotent incompetent nincompoop.
TinselKoala said:
Kenny, I know a lot more about you than you apparently think I know. I can document several HUGE lies you have told in this thread. But out of respect for others (something you will never be capable of understanding in your psychopathology) I'm not going to discuss them here. But I will discuss them.... elsewhere.
TinselKoala said:
Another big can of FAIL for Kenny baby, coil winder, linguist, college grad who learned nothing and can't see past his own Moire patterns.
TinselKoala said:
And the people who designed that thing laugh at you.
TinselKoala said:
Irrelevant impotent deluded whiner, that's our Kenny L. Wheeler. He knows everything already, so he doesn't have to do any homework which might show him just how wrong and irrelevant he actually is.
TinselKoala said:
You act like you think anybody cares what you think!
That's even more hilarious than Ulf Hansrimmer's delusions.
Milehigh siad:
You have this peverse desire to back the alternative guy no matter what, yet you are fully aware that he is talking junk. Likewise, when TK speaks good common electronics and magnetics sense in his debate with Kenny, you say nothing.
You are a sellout and it's a not too uncommon trait among people that take exception to the rational analysis of a given free energy proposition.
TinselKoala siad:
You are not levitating anything there Kenny boy liar.
TinselKoala said:
The only sense you have is the smell of your own upper lip. So you can take you lies and calumnies that you think describe me and do whatever you like with them. When the time comes, the full documentation will come out.
Like I told you weeks ago, I have lab notebooks[/font] that are older than you, baby Kenny, and my college degrees actually mean something.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:52:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_rgB3WlXtU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_rgB3WlXtU)
Who is that beer-swilling Aussie I wonder?
Well it cant be me,as i dont drink lol.
Anyway,the laser turned up today,and i was having so much fun watching the dog's chase the red light around on the floor,that i flattened the batteries lol. Anyway,the wifey will get some more tomorrow,and we'll see if we can bend the beam with some strong magnet's.
5 Fun Physics Phenomena
http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=2m51s (starting at 4)
1) finding center of mass (uninteresting) ( http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE )
2) rotating a mass in air ... can't think of the words (uninteresting) ( http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=1m4s )
3) electostatic cup attracts water (uninteresting) ( http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=1m48s )
4) put cereal in a bowl and water and use a magnet; the cereal is attracted to the magnet, so why is cereal magnetic?
5) tea bag rocket ship (burn thing from top to bottom, at last moment it rockets up) (also uninteresting) ( http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=3m13s )
4 seemed relevant to here though... why is cereal magnetic?
Answers come next week.
Quote from: Acca on August 06, 2014, 07:49:03 AM
WARNING TO ALL MEMBERS:
You are funny. Where did you get that photo, I wonder? Who is it?
QuoteA collection of quotes from Kenny L. Wheeler on OU dot com
Part 1: The first ten pages of insults and falsehoods. Numbers are the post numbers in the thread.
2. My two clips show EXACTLY what I am stating. The fault lay at your own lack of comprehension, try reading the book and stop being a closed minded lemming
3. Whats a "big fail" son? Because you made a claim this proves what son? Children make claims, adults back them up.
7. there are THOSE THAT DO, and those that TALK about those that DO"
You, are the later of those.
8. its in the book son, and even has lots of diagrams for those who cannot read. Such as yourself perhaps.
10. As such your senseless and childish rants are senseless, worthless, and do not contribute to a Platonic dialectic (do you know what dielectic is? ).
Goodbye son. If you have something intelligent to say, fine. Otherwise you're just flapping your lips.
Se ignoras te egredere'
15. If you had something intelligent to contribute, you would have said it already son.
16. Smarter than you, certainly richer than you. Did you graduate from college 3 years early son?
I suggest you put down the Cheetos and go write a book proving me wrong. Unlike YOU,..........I would actually READ YOUR BOOK. ;)
Seek wisdom, son.
17. I suspect the both of you might be teenagers. Children and their claims. Go experiment for years and then write a book proving your premise son.
21. Poor child, if you ACTUALLY had read the book, I would tell you that what fools think is a "magnet" is an electrified dielectric object
27. Let me explain something to you son, in honest respect. The worst FILTH to come from current science is "peer reviewed" trash from Academia.
Did you expect a wise and intelligent person like myself to FALL FOR nonsense like "virtual photons" and the TRASH of GR and QM (quantum mechanics)?
28. I have 4 patents, how about yourself?
Your breed of insanity wont penetrate the mind of the wise, only fools.
32. If you, pathetically, think Im merely using CRT as a demo AND/OR proof, then you are deluded.
37. If you want to send a pic of yourself wiping your fanny with the front page of the book, thats fine too.
I don't believe in converting or "convincing" people.
49. As stated, I have NO interest in converting or convincing ANYONE of anything.
66. He also thinks that electrons exist. The magical (and non-existent) "discharge" particle. ;D
That alone proves him a fool.
70. There are no electron beam guns, son. I know EXACTLY what they emit.
The 'electron microscope' lie
74. I didnt deny the "electron microscope" son, only yours and others BS definition of what is being emitted.
ALL subjects in said microscope that aren't metallic, are coated in a CONDUCTOR.
75. (Calls Einstein an "idiot" and a "dumbass")
78. (Calls Feynman an "evil demon" and accuses him of academic dishonesty)
81. I have HAND wound at LEAST 20 coils this year alone, yourself?
(lol, I did that many this MONTH -- TK)
92. Im so sorry you have NO idea what you're talking about. A learning defect of some variety I assume. Actually its just garden variety hubris to be sure.
...What a sad soul you are, son. ;) Your twisted-mind twisted-image pseudo-pontification leaves out the fact that a TWISTED image doesn't INVERT ITS TWIST at the center from centrifugal movement to centripetal, and/or vice verse as I amply demonstrate.
...
your well-accepted and closed minded insane assumptions
104. Wonderful "off the cuff" speculation ....and like an old man with a vasectomy, you're "shooting blanks" , intellectually.
...
You amuse me, like a monkey I once saw in India, it was scratching its ass looking for fleas.
107. Small error son, the ONLY person here doing EXPERIMENTS, is myself.
(He doesn't even know what a True Experiment is, he just does demonstrations. --TK)
117. If you had even ONE patent, you might have some cred. You dont.
I have 4. I do the work, I have the logic and proof behind me.
You have your flapping lips.
Not buying your belly button lint . It has no value.
Go read the "greats" (Tesla, Steinmetz, Maxwell).
Most nuns legs are MORE open then your mind, ..as is obviously apparent.
121. You just confessed to being a seat warming keyboard jockey. You must be proud of that status.
127. I have the videos, the pictures, the proof, the logic, and 9 TOTAL testing medium for this.
and you? You have your flapping lips.
One of those is worth something, the other is 100% WORTHLESS ;D ;D ;D
Keep dancing for me son.
What, in your weak mind did you THINK a "magnet" was other than a fixed-power solenoid?????? ROFL ;D
I bet you dont even know HOW A MAGNET IS MADE
128. Pathetic child, ALMOST ALL of (even those I despise in) in physics acknowledge magnetic vortex movements
They call it the "pinch effect of a magnetic field"
OH, by the way, you must have missed this one, there aren't any thumbs-down votes. Yet. Hurry, there is still time....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcGTBA7NoVI
8)
Ah. I figured it out. ACCA.... thinks he has posted a photo of me. I'm a private individual who has taken some pains to protect my privacy, although at least four people reading this thread know exactly who and where I am, not even including Stefan our host.
So here we have a clear attempt by ACCA to violate my privacy by posting a photo that he thinks is me.
What exactly do you hope to accomplish by doing that, ACCA?
(Talk about a warning to all members.... that should really make you all think. )
TinselKoala said :
"I'm a private individual who has taken some pains to protect my privacy, although at least four people reading this thread know exactly who and where I am, not even including Stefan our host. "
By hiding your identity you don't have the right to trash other members here with your repugnant and obscene comments !!
"(Dis)-agreement" is tolareted here, howerver your behavior in trashing of people who you disagree with "you" is a problem for me and others..............
You seem to be very smart, but you have a problem with you "EGO"... Leave it at home Sir !!
based on you comments in the last 24 hours you need help !!
Acca...
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Some food for thought on what's going on:
New scientific paradigms "are sufficiently unprecedented to attract an enduring group of adherents away from competing modes of scientific activity. Simultaneously, [they are] sufficiently open-ended to leave all sorts of problems for the redefined group of practitioners to resolve."
Scientists who do not accept the paradigm's new definition of a particular field must "proceed in isolation or attach themselves to some other group."
Once a given scientific paradigm (e.g., GR, QM, Electron Theory) no longer functions effectively, members of the scientific community will begin searching out new ways to research and solve problems. The arrival of crisis thus "simultaneously loosens the stereotypes and provides the incremental data necessary for a paradigm shift."
(Quotes from: Thomas S. Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Chicago, 1970. P. 10)
Bob
Quote from: Acca on August 06, 2014, 11:24:47 AM
"(Dis)-agreement" is tolareted here, howerver your behavior in trashing of people who you disagree with "you" is a problem for me and others..............
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Acca,
Should this not also apply to this thread's OP?
PW
Quote from: Acca on August 06, 2014, 11:24:47 AM
Acca...
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Heres is his insanity, ;D ;D ;D ...........Tinfoil hat Koala-shit has already made at LEAST 20 posts proving he has been stalking me........however I have no idea who Hans Ulrifer is....whatever that is.
I, however,.......... dont give a shit WHO he is, WHERE he is, I couldnt care less about him.
Id sooner care about the flies buzzing around cowshit than WHO or what or WHERE he is. Just just a pimple on rats ass.
1. He claims I lied about my dead wife.
........I pounce on his ass with proof hes lying trash
2. He claims I never built anything.
.........I pounce on his ass with the million volt Tesla coil I recently put together
There is a certain psychopathy related to such peoples, it doesnt bother wise people, because in any crowd, there is always 3 or 4 of them, it IS expected, it MUST be expected, .....is IS no big deal whatsoever. NONE
Hes just some drunk old demented fool trying to divert intelligent discussion. ;D
....back to experimenting and writing. (the productive stuff)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NcAwhAv_I8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NcAwhAv_I8)
Be sure to read the description. And be sure to notice the big dents visible at 0:20 and 0:35.
QuoteNon-Human-made Sphere Crashes in Brazil from outerspace. NO DENTS IN SPHERE (https://yt3.ggpht.com/-bWVa1rNw6mA/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/LoqfU3nqVmY/s88-c-k-no/photo.jpg) Theoria Apophasis (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVcxJ9k14bi__-uA1cGkEcA) Published on Jul 4, 2014
Valdir José Mendes, 46, told police the sphere landed several meters from his house leaving a one-meter-deep hole in the yard.
Officials claim that yes, it "came from outer space" but that its just space junk......... HOWEVER-----------------this is impossible, why?
There is no LARGE hollow sphere that ANY HUMAN can make that can fall from space and leave a giant crater and NOT BE dented all to HELL.
No such sphere can be made by any human, or govt. agency.
The sphere HAS NO DENTS.
ROFL! The big dents are clearly visible.
How many times now has Kenny L. Wheeler mentioned his Dead Wife in order to try to gain some personal advantage for himself? Count them, and add one more.
(At least he didn't claim to have built his "million volt" TC -- which, from the video evidence, is neither a 1000000 volt coil or a Tesla Coil -- by himself. His "ASSOCIATE" built it, and he watched. Whereas everything I build, I build 100 percent on my own.)
A "million volt" tesla coil! That barely sparks, barely lights up a fluorescent and barely has any current. Right. Insert facepalm and ROFL here!
Here is what 35 kiloVolts looks like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU)
http://buddhistbooksblog.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/outing-an-ideological-vandal/
Quote from: tinman on August 06, 2014, 08:46:33 AM
Well it cant be me,as i dont drink lol.
Anyway,the laser turned up today,and i was having so much fun watching the dog's chase the red light around on the floor,that i flattened the batteries lol. Anyway,the wifey will get some more tomorrow,and we'll see if we can bend the beam with some strong magnet's.
Yep not me either, I'm an Aussie but I don't drink. 0 for 2. Poor stereotype.
..
Quote from: Farmhand on August 06, 2014, 03:49:50 PM
Yep not me either, I'm an Aussie but I don't drink. 0 for 2. Poor stereotype.
..
Of course its a stereotype, grow a sense of humor. ;D
Australians are some of the very few people I actually DO like
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 06, 2014, 03:46:19 PM
A "million volt" tesla coil! That barely sparks, barely lights up a fluorescent and barely has any current. Right. Insert facepalm and ROFL here!
Since it is an Iphone video,
if you look closely moron, it has a THICK glass tube sitting on top of it, and a LARGE old bulb.with the tube off, it makes plenty of sparks.
Yes, it is 1 million volts
Yes, I built it. The BOTH of us built it. Sparks are for children, if you wanna make sparks, go throw some wire around your streets power lines, we were EXPERIMENTING.
You're worthless. ;D
Quote from: picowatt on August 06, 2014, 12:59:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeDkip8NSSc
Lets see Tinfoil Hat Koala explain THIS VIDEO with his "wheel and stick" (im sure he will invent some nonsense however).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeDkip8NSSc
same principle, NO LENS OR BOWL, just 2 magnets, ROTATION OPPOSITE TO THE DIRECTION OF TURN/MOVEMENT
He cant do it. ROFL ;D
Unfortunatly this thread nas been derailled too much ..
Why can't nobelievers just state their claimes and mind there other stuff. You made your point, nou let the lesser gods play with their dreams, hobbies and imagination.
My contribution:
Not sure if already linked, but this guy talks also a lot about the magnetic rotating vortex field.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2JW7uaPjy8&index=3&list=UUV0CkrTm5X0Pe5DS8MLLZWw
Quote from: TinMan
Well it cant be me, as I dont drink lol.
Quote from: Farmhand
Yep not me either, I'm an Aussie but I don't drink. 0 for 2. Poor stereotype.
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Please excuse the Off-Topic, but:
This reminds me of an experience (Sea Story)
from back in '74. While at
Mobile Technical
Unit Seven I was assigned a brief job in Singapore.
While there I was lodged at the Hotel Singapura
but daily went to the British/Aussie/Kiwi Military
Base at Terror Barracks (WO's and Senior Rates Club)
for lunch/supper and R&R at the end of the workday. 8)
One evening a group of Ozzies and Kiwis invited
me to go out on the town to see how real gentlemen
conduct themselves. Good Gawd, what an evening
it turned out to be - they surely did know all of the
best places for fun in Singapore! And while I thought
myself pretty good at the art of holding my liquor,
those gentlemen showed me to be a crass amateur!
It was one of the most memorable times ever from
my years in the Navy, and believe me, there are a
lot of really good memories... :o
Aye, Singapore is an absolutely incredible place. ;)
Apologies gentlemen, but an old sailor can't resist
salty discussions. Now, back to the topic at hand. ::)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 06, 2014, 06:40:57 PM
Apologies gentlemen, but an old sailor can't resist
salty discussions. Now, back to the topic at hand. ::)
How salty of a sailor?
regular,......or extra salty? >>> ;D
Im uploading video 51 NOW,.......it should either
A: shock people
B. amaze them
C. tick them off / make them laughor any combo thereofIt is a video about dielectric counterspace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7agTqmSibUM
VIDEO 51 on "uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism"
COUNTERSPACEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7agTqmSibUM
PICTURE BELOW: from "De Divina Proportione"
illustrated by Leonardo da Vinci.
The EGYPTIANS knew about counterspace
The GREEKS knew about counterspace
The ROMANS knew about counterspace
The Pythagoreans wrote about and knew about counterspace (MESA', / EPISTROPHE')
..........modern "humans" have NO CLUE about it ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 06, 2014, 06:00:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeDkip8NSSc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeDkip8NSSc)
Lets see Tinfoil Hat Koala explain THIS VIDEO with his "wheel and stick" (im sure he will invent some nonsense however).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeDkip8NSSc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeDkip8NSSc)
same principle, NO LENS OR BOWL, just 2 magnets, ROTATION OPPOSITE TO THE DIRECTION OF TURN/MOVEMENT
He cant do it. ROFL ;D
Prof. Muller has a publication, titled "Experimental Test of the Normal and Retrograde Railgun Accelerators", where the aluminum rod advanced in the forward direction as expected (away from the battery bridge) whereas the steel (magnetizable) rod advanced backwardly when they're allowed to roll. When the same system is setup vertically, however, and the transversal rod is suspended on a balance
(without rolling), no retrograde behavior is observed for the steel rod. Both, aluminum and steel rods, moved in the forward (expected) direction.
The conclusion is that rolling of the steel rod is essential to observe its retrograde motion. I have tried to locate this publication in the past without success. The below snapshot, as found on the World Science Database (http://www.worldsci.org/php/index.php?tab0=Abstracts&tab1=Display&id=3105&tab=2), shows an abstract for this article.
Gravock
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 06, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
How salty of a sailor?
regular,......or extra salty? >>> ;D
Well, I reckon my level of "saltiness" is about equal
to a "pinch" when compared to the Real Old Salts-
The Bo'sun's Mates and the Gunner's Mates. ;D
Technicians were tolerated by the Old Salts, but they
considered themselves to be in an entirely different
league, if not Navy (Wooden Ships and Iron Men.) ;)
Some were so salty they left a trail of flakes as they
walked the deck giving the bluejackets a piece of
their mind... Language so coarse that flames and
smoke belched forth from their mouths. A true
sight to behold. :o
And then there's the one about the SeaBats... ::)
Below: Broken ring magnet "re-attached" as a ring, but NOT AS IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS BROKEN, but HOW it can exist after broken. On right, the black markings indicate that this portion of the ring was originally located on the other side. While this LOOKS 're-assembled' it is not; it is the only way (other than on top of each other in a double crescent) it can rest AS A RING.
The same would be true of a disk magnet broken in half as well. This is the action of dielectric counterspace in how "magnets" DO and WILL 'self-fold' and decrease as much space as possible. On left is the field view of the flipped (self-flipped) broken ring magnet.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 06, 2014, 11:55:07 PM
Prof. Muller has a publication, titled "Experimental Test of the Normal and Retrograde Railgun Accelerators", where the aluminum rod advanced in the forward direction as expected (away from the battery bridge) whereas the steel (magnetizable) rod advanced backwardly when they're allowed to roll. When the same system is setup vertically, however, and the transversal rod is suspended on a balance (without rolling), no retrograde behavior is observed for the steel rod. Both, aluminum and steel rods, moved in the forward (expected) direction. The conclusion is that rolling of the steel rod is essential to observe its retrograde motion. I have tried to locate this publication in the past without success. The below snapshot, as found on the World Science Database (http://www.worldsci.org/php/index.php?tab0=Abstracts&tab1=Display&id=3105&tab=2), shows an abstract for this article.
Gravock
Lovely stuff, .......can I borrow your rail gun for testing? Mine is broken ;D
kidding.
I know a person who is in the "INSIDE OF THINGS", I will leave it at that. ...........
he explained an upcoming technology ,......a radioactive power-cell that draws enormous energy of high radiation when exposed to some special layers,.....the device which is the size of a couple of oil drum and goes into a prototype TANK, and that large radioactive cell charges up an array for using a
rail gun on a TANK
advantages are that it can generate enormous power with very little heat, and the tank can carry 5X plus as many projectiles since there is no (obviously) power and shells to pack around.
Apparently it works like the radioactive decay power cells on our deep space probes
however in a radically diff. manner he wont say, and I dont get,....it is capable of enormous power draw which can be activated and shut down as needed.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 07, 2014, 12:24:57 AM
Below: Broken ring magnet "re-attached" as a ring, but NOT AS IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS BROKEN, but HOW it can exist after broken. On right, the black markings indicate that this portion of the ring was originally located on the other side. While this LOOKS 're-assembled' it is not; it is the only way (other than on top of each other in a double crescent) it can rest AS A RING.
The same would be true of a disk magnet broken in half as well. This is the action of dielectric counterspace in how "magnets" DO and WILL 'self-fold' and decrease as much space as possible. On left is the field view of the flipped (self-flipped) broken ring magnet.
Earlier today I was thinking about that also, but couldn't find the right words to properly describe this phenomonon. Good experiment, and this confirms what I have noticed myself in previous experiments! This experiment says it all. It's almost as if space creates one of the so called "fields", such as the N pole of a magnet, while the matter, is induced with the opposite pole of the same magnet (cause and effect, or inversion of cause and effect). Is this what you refer to as space/counter-space? Together, the fields create a space, or more correctly, we should say "projects a space", such as in projecting a holographic 3D world. There is only one thing in this universe that is "real", and that is Spirit/Consciousness. Everything else is an illusion. The adversary of God has enslaved our spirits/consciousness in this false simulated perceived reality of a holographic universe. The truth shall set you free!
Space, which had been transformed into matter (deformed space) endeavors to return to its former state of primordial space in accordance with the law of rotation of masses in a magnetic field. This reconstitutes the energy that had been used for condensation of the matter, turning it into light, whose wave energy goes on decreasing until the moment of entropy is reached. This is what takes place on the Sun. Leaving aside the reaction that they bring about on the planets, the Sun's discharges into space are, in a sense, matter or deformed space returning to its original state of primordial space.
In the first instance, an oscillating charge superimposed on an infinite point supplied the power that brings about the deformation of space and the Sun, by an opposite process, turns it back into energy, thus re-establishing the balance. That is why neither matter nor energy exist, but only deformed space, which is called matter, and what you call energy is nothing more than a phenomenon of transition between primordial space and deformed space. This transition between primordial space and deformed space occurs within the "quantum transitional speed of 1.094 megahertz m/s".
An electron is an integration of electromagnetic waves. We can define the electron as deformed magnetic space, propagated in wave form. Now an electron, as a wave form, is moved in an (anti)clockwise circle. In this spiraloid movement it has a discontinuous wave surface rather like a spiral spring. The movement itself is not discontinuous, but only appears so by virtue of its spiralling movement. It also shows a magnetic phenomenon cancelling out the charge on one side which gives an observer the impression that the energy moves in jumps. Further, it is subject to the outcome of the difference of charge due to this magnetic effect, as well as the result of its rotation.
The so-called orbits K-L-M'0 are nothing but stationary electrical waves in the field of the atom, each having its particular wave structure and frequency. It is known that waves of varying length do not interfere with one another as is shown by radio, even though they occupy the same area of space. Even Heisenberg felt that he could not account for all the electronic movements in an atom. He saw that this minute electron seemed to be ubiquitous, appearing at all points in an orbit at the same instant. Being unable to locate the point in space where it was to be found at any given time, since it appeared at all points, he developed his "Uncertainty Principle". The photon (or in your terms, "charge") carries momentum.
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle simply says that the photon has volume. Calculation shows that the energy and thus the mass is distributed uniformly throughout the structure. The same fact applies to the distribution of momentum.
Quantum indeterminacy and a probabilistic universe based on the wrong assumptions of the Copenhagen interpretation has been proven false!
If the electron is a wave form having its origin in space, the whole concept of modern science would fall to the ground. It would contradict the principal argument of Planck's theory which asserts that an electron is a particle whose energy is stepped up in "quantic jumps". It would also lead to the collapse of our conception of light and all the mechanics of relativity.
"The old has been made new again"Rock On!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 07, 2014, 01:33:26 AM
It's almost as if space creates one of the so called "fields", such as the N pole of a magnet, while the matter, is induced with the opposite pole of the same magnet (cause and effect, or inversion of cause and effect). Is this what you refer to as space/counter-space? Together, the fields create a space, or more correctly, we should say "projects a space", such as in projecting a holographic 3D world. There is only one thing in this universe that is "real", and that is Spirit/Consciousness. Everything else is an illusion. The adversary of God has enslaved our spirits/consciousness in this false simulated perceived reality of a holographic universe. The truth shall set you free!
Space doesnt create anything, the radiative fields produce space posterior and resultant to discharging fields.
Since nothing charging is part of what gives MASSIVENESS to mass/ matter, the entire empirical and phenomenal cosmos is nothing but discharging radiative posterior resultant of charges in discharge.
Charges have no space, transverse dielectromagnetic fields are (phi x psi = Q Planck / electrification) are not the fundamental forces of nature, which are dielectricity / electrostatics and magnetism (discharge/ radiation).
time and space as per fields only applies to
1. transverse charges (TEM)
2. the rate of induction / capacitance of a given medium(s)
JC Maxwell discovered the proportionality between dielectricity and magnetism was 1/C-squaredThis is where Einstein stole it from (and from Poincare') , and then he RA*PED IT, and RUINED IT
Its interesting to think that nothing in the visible universe is anything but the manifestation of radiations from charges that ARE or HAVE discharged.
;DQuote from: gravityblock on August 07, 2014, 01:33:26 AM
The photon (or in your terms, "charge") carries momentum. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle simply says that the photon has volume. Calculation shows that the energy and thus the mass is distributed uniformly throughout the structure. The same fact applies to the distribution of momentum. Quantum indeterminacy and a probabilistic universe based on the wrong assumptions of the Copenhagen interpretation has been proven false!
The Photon doesnt exist,
it is a name given to what is/was not understood, the so-called "electromagnetism" has a Z-axis radial dielectric component. Those pulses of dielectricity resultant to the wavelength / frequency are what was deemed (and is deemed) a "photon" .
That momentum you speak of dielectric inertia, some electrical engineering texts still call electrostatics "electrical inertia" .
VIDEO 34 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. THE MISSING SECRET OF LIGHT PART 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKZOl_dRlQ
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 07, 2014, 12:24:57 AM
Below: Broken ring magnet "re-attached" as a ring, but NOT AS IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS BROKEN, but HOW it can exist after broken. On right, the black markings indicate that this portion of the ring was originally located on the other side. While this LOOKS 're-assembled' it is not; it is the only way (other than on top of each other in a double crescent) it can rest AS A RING.
The same would be true of a disk magnet broken in half as well. This is the action of dielectric counterspace in how "magnets" DO and WILL 'self-fold' and decrease as much space as possible. On left is the field view of the flipped (self-flipped) broken ring magnet.
@TA
As pointed out by E. Dollard by taking the two wire example:
"In the previous transmission it was shown that the electric induction, bound between the wires of a lamp cord, was the union of two distinct fields of induction, the dielectric in counterspace, and the magnetic in space. These fields consist of discrete lines of force. Thus these lines exist as individual units or quanta of inductive force. Both fields exert mechanical force upon the bounding system of so-called "conductors". These mechanical forces, those of the dielectric, and those of the magnetic, exert actions so as to increase their coefficients of induction, that is the dielectric "capacitance", and the magnetic "inductance" are increased. Hereby, the dielectric field draws the conductors nearer to each other, increasing the counterspace. Conversely the magnetic field pushes the conductors away from each other, increasing the space. Hereby we may say that the dielectric field is contractive, and the magnetic field is expansive. Hence the resulting electric field of the union produces a resultant force upon the bounding conductors. This resultant force thus may be expansive, null, or contractive, depending upon the relative densities of the dielectric and the magnetic force fields respectively."
Therefore, in the case of the broken magnet I assume that the dielectric force is higher than the magnetic one in a 3.23606 (2*phi) to 1 ratio ?
Thanks,
nathan
Ken, I just found this clip on youtube!! Looks like you have started to have and impact on magnetism !! Since I am Russian I will translate your (some, my time is limited as I am sitting in a stinkin prison) theory and really shake the Russian Academy of Science..
Acca....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9f8nl94Jg&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg&index=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9f8nl94Jg&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg&index=1)
Gustave le Bonn said:
"Here is a an example of the twin vortex procession spin as it was discovered by Howard Johnson, a professor at Virginia Tech, in the 1980's. He is no longer alive. The second recognition goes to Mr. Ken L. Wheeler, who has made a major effort to show as well as to document through his free book on magnetism (link provided below). My opinion is the what he as discovered is a major developlment as well as the overturning the electrodynamic model of some 160 years, (barring the fact that the US military has devices that operate on the new principles as shown by Mr. Wheeler, are classified and not available to us, hidden under the 50 billion dollar secret budget of the military). It seems that the only way science is now progressing is through garage tinkeres and hobbyists. Providing funding for reasearch the US government determines what is going to be researched and limits certain developments like too in fields that may overlap their secret reseach and by keeping these types of policy it stifles cutting edge technology for tax paying americans here.. Once a secret technology is discovered it will NEVER be shared with any part of society because it is now SECRET !! This here is, such an example, magnetism in the conventional sense is already discovered, so scientists say !! However this video shows that in fact this is NOT true.. We as americans need to demand oversight of classified penagon programs as we the taxpayers are being forced to pay and NOT get any benefit form the most basic application of new discoveries !! Call your representative and demand a lawful accountability as the US government is going lawless.."
Quote from: nathan97 on August 07, 2014, 06:13:20 AM
As pointed out by E. Dollard by taking the two wire example:
"In the previous transmission it was shown that the electric induction, bound between the wires of a lamp cord, was the union of two distinct fields of induction, the dielectric in counterspace, and the magnetic in space. These fields consist of discrete lines of force.
nathan
Yes, chart for same below. I go into great detail on same in the book and more more in the 3rd edition.
Thus these lines exist as individual units or quanta of inductive force. Both fields exert mechanical force upon the bounding system of so-called "conductors". These mechanical forces, those of the dielectric, and those of the magnetic, exert actions so as to increase their coefficients of induction, that is the dielectric "capacitance", and the magnetic "inductance" are increased. Hereby, the dielectric field draws the conductors nearer to each other, increasing the counterspace. Conversely the magnetic field pushes the conductors away from each other, increasing the space. Hereby we may say that the dielectric field is contractive, and the magnetic field is expansive. Hence the resulting electric field of the union produces a resultant force upon the bounding conductors. This resultant force thus may be expansive, null, or contractive, depending upon the relative densities of the dielectric and the magnetic force fields respectively."
Yes, if the power goes out on the lines, and turned back on, you can see the lines spread apart (due to magnetism)
likewise, if the voltage is ramped up, then the lines pull together.
When high gauss magnets break, they do NOT SELF-FOLD due to magnetism, this long long LONG held notion is 100% PURE horse plop.
Quote from: nathan97 on August 07, 2014, 06:13:20 AM
Therefore, in the case of the broken magnet I assume that the dielectric force is higher than the magnetic one in a 3.23606 (2*phi) to 1 ratio ?
nathan
In a perfect ideal model, which is never the case since spatial geometry of the magnet varies, its creation, its construction, its accurate composition etc etc. Many variables.
But in a perfect mathematical model of an ideal magnet. "soft magnets' only have dielectric coherency rather than increased dielectric capacitance.
Dielectricity in the "magnet" is the 'invisible horse', or the
puppet master behind the curtains. All us dumb humans see and acting on things is the stinky horse poop / radiation (magnetism)..........or
the little puppets (magnetism). I recently got some nice samarium cobalt magnets.
I rebuilt the FERROCELL for high LED white-light output and have some new magnet videos to show under the ferrocell that should interest people.
Thanks,
Ill make a 3D ferrocell video of the broken ring magnet "back together" (but not really), and you will see an amazing 3D "dorje" looking pinwheel in the center, its very beautiful. l
The biological experiments I am doing are having great results.
Alas bending over magnets SO MUCH is causing a dull pain in my EYES..........its nasty, not "very" painful, but its dull and nasty and uncomfortable.
So tonight i carried out the !magnetic field effecting a beam of light !test.
First test was set at 5 meters.I built a small box to carry the laser,and placed a white board 5 meters away.The laser has a 2mm focal point(diameter of the red dot).So i turned on the laser,and with a very fine felt tip pen,i places a small black dot in the center of the lasers 2mm red dot. I then bought the strongest magnet i have(n52 neo) close to the laser beam-right up until it was almost within the beam. There was no change in position or clarity of the lasers dot on the white board. I then carried out the same test at 32 meters(the longest part of my yard). The laser dot was still cristal clear,and held fast at 2mm diameter.Once again,i bought the magnet close to the lasers beam-and no change in position or clarity was seen with the lasers dot.
Next was a trip to the park up the road. the test was carried out again at a distance of 100 meters-and once again,no change in position or clarity of the lasers dot on the white board. At 100 meters even the slightest shift or bend in the lasers beam would have been detected-but nothing at all.
From this test,it would seam that a magnetic field dose not effect a beam of light-in that it will not effect the path of the beam.
But all was not lost with buying the laser,as i now have a way to exercise the dogs without leaving my chair lol.
Quote from: Acca on August 07, 2014, 06:31:14 AM
Since I am Russian I will translate your
Haaaa!!!!! You dont have to translate, I lived in Russia for FOUR YEARS, Im a Russian translator, went to VPE , in Vladimir, and spent half a year hanging out doing translation work near the hotel Pribaltiyskaya in Leningrad.
;D ;D ;D
Vladimir, what a dirty little city.
Often I would fly down to Simferopol and a bus to Yalta and hang out on the black sea for a week or so.
Most fun I ever had was being paid $150 an hour by authorities to YELL AT PEOPLE in Russian! They were Russian thugs and mafia........authorities would yell at them in English, and Id yell the same at them in Russian!!!
$150 an hour to YELL AT PEOPLE (Russian thugs) ;D ;D ;D
Ohhh, I get it, you are going to translate some stuff you want into Russian, I see. Gotcha,.......Ive been UP for 3 days nonstop, wee bit tired. :o :o :o
Quote from: tinman on August 07, 2014, 06:37:46 AM
So tonight i carried out the !magnetic field effecting a beam of light !test.
First test was set at 5 meters.I built a small box to carry the laser,and placed a white board 5 meters away.The laser has a 2mm focal point(diameter of the red dot).So i turned on the laser,and with a very fine felt tip pen,i places a small black dot in the center of the lasers 2mm red dot. I then bought the strongest magnet i have(n52 neo) close to the laser beam-right up until it was almost within the beam. There was no change in position or clarity of the lasers dot on the white board. I then carried out the same test at 32 meters(the longest part of my yard). The laser dot was still cristal clear,and held fast at 2mm diameter.Once again,i bought the magnet close to the lasers beam-and no change in position or clarity was seen with the lasers dot.
Next was a trip to the park up the road. the test was carried out again at a distance of 100 meters-and once again,no change in position or clarity of the lasers dot on the white board. At 100 meters even the slightest shift or bend in the lasers beam would have been detected-but nothing at all.
From this test,it would seam that a magnetic field dose not effect a beam of light-in that it will not effect the path of the beam.
But all was not lost with buying the laser,as i now have a way to exercise the dogs without leaving my chair lol.
VERY PICKY on the angle and WHERE you hit it, . Hit the edge centrifugal point. You have lots of electromagnets as well, use same.
It works.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I then bought the strongest magnet i have(n52 neo) close to the laser beam-right up until it was almost within the beam.
thats an issue, get about 4 feet away, NOT CLOSE and use a STEEP ANGLE of attack VERY close to parallel with the centrifugal edge.
Its coherent light after all.
Below picture is NOT my invention:
(however below that (in green) IS MINE in red)
Quote from: Acca on August 07, 2014, 06:31:14 AM
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Acca....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9f8nl94Jg&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg&index=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9f8nl94Jg&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg&index=1)
Gustave le Bonn said:
And who is the Aussie guy you mentioned in the video,and who's video it is,that has no idea as to what is going on in the video?.
Quote from: Acca on August 07, 2014, 06:31:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9f8nl94Jg&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg&index=1
Gustave le Bonn said:
INTERESTING!!!!! Hes made some nice comments, but I didnt know he made his own video too ;D
This thing with a lens reminded me of the Austin - Hayes transmission dating
from the 1930's.
It was a clever contraption for its time but proved expensive and prone to wear.
No doubt if they had the oils and materials we have these days it could have been
made reliable.
I had no idea how difficult a subject light and magnetism was before I looked
at this thread. I've just come across Wheeler's delayed choice experiment,quite
a job to get my head round it though!
John.
its fun showing where magnetism is located (yes located) and where dielectricity is CONCENTRATED AT
almost "nerd art" ;D
@all
I don't know man. People use their brains to rationalize the world around them and this whole thread is just that. You see only what we want to see and disregard the rest. hehehehehe
So all of you just chew every morsel and enjoy all this free theorizing.
The video as indicated by Gustave Le-Bonn is exactly that. It is not showing anything unexpected since the damn magnet is just spinning at the same rate that is required to follow its linear path on a curved surface. His lame brained amazement is very troubling, indeed. Just like every video so far produced by @TA, every single one is normal effect described by faulty premises. But you know all this lying, patching and feeble mindedness started with Faraday and his Cabalian cohorts. People who cannot critically think on their own will chew this up. hehehehe
Just more junk being layered on the already extensive junk pile and again will get 0% closer to OU. hahahaha
I am now convinced that the Grand Cabal has one measure of how safe they are and that is - As long as man winds coils and sees magnets as field producing devices, no one will ever arrive at anything close to OU. That's because the answer is in a totally different direction that even Tesla did not consider (yes - imagine that) because he himself was taken in by most of the foolery even though his instincts and natural intellect did push him to speak out at times, he did now know then what is known now, so Mr. Cabal, sleep well indeed because humanity is way off the mark.
Or is it? We will know soon enough and at least OUers will have a real new method to look and work at their experiments. At least some scientists will have new ways to derive their measurements. At least some chemists will have new ways of taming the atomic spin. Unlike anything shown by @TA that will only lead to rehashing dead ends. hahahahahahahaha
Meanwhile, Mr. @TA, the stage is yours for what I am expecting will be more magic tricks with grand explanations but no substance. I guess science fiction really does draw in the crowds.
Oh, and for anyone who likes to call me a TROLL, they are right. I am a troll against stupidity, ignorance, feeble minded followers of Bozo Science and Dreamism, troll against non-OU deriving orientations and troll against distractions that pull away OUers from the main reasons of this Forum. I have a good level of past experience on this forum that proves that 1000%, so F off. Those who do call me a Troll however have what to show? Only that when you cannot use your own logic to look deep enough into an effect to work out the world around you, anyone who sounds quasi-convincing and totally wacky brained must know better then you, right. So enjoy the ride, but at least @wattsup will have said it here since the beginning, @TA is a bad dream, and in another 1000 pages some of you will know it for yourself. I can't do any more then that. hahahahahaha
Last point is very simple. Every single effect shown so far by Mr. @TuffAss can be simply explained without diving into his cesspool of Grand Fieldery. I had already started but Mr. @TuffAss just likes to throw temper tantrums instead of countering anything with anything of value. @Tinman does a small laser test and what does @TuffAss say, "Oh, you need to find the right angle". Well there are over 2 billion angles possible so good luck with that one, meanwhile he will say, "see, @Tinmans experiment was just done wrong and this proves my theory is true". hahahahahaha
The real deal is this. You cannot expand on the mountain of knowledge already in place without adding a new extension at the base from which you can then work upwards to the top again. While you do that, some parts of the original mountain may fall just as some parts of the new build-up may fall as is normal in nature. @TA is giving no base, only throwing rocks onto the mountain and each one will just tumble down again and create a very rocky plain of nothingness. No where to grow, no were to rise, no where to climb the mountain and see the complete view. If you ask me, that is the real definition of a Troll. What a joke, bad one, but joke all the same.
My offer is now off the table.
wattsup
Quote from: wattsup on August 07, 2014, 05:40:07 PM
Just like every video so far produced by @TA, every single one is normal effect described by faulty premises. But you know all this lying, patching and feeble mindedness started with Faraday and his Cabalian cohorts. People who cannot critically think on their own will chew this up. hehehehe
wattsup
Claims are for children, I back mine up with experiment after experiment, logic, and it
MUST prove all observed phenomena. MINE DOES.
As for OTHER PEOPLES VIDEOS...........I have no control over THAT.
Wattsup,
Your lack of technical expertise is showing... (http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413571/#msg413571)
Too much defense and not enough thought.
Gustave Le-Bonn takes a lens and two magnets and sees the magnet on top spinning and is convinced this is a real phenomenon having to do with the alleged vortex associated with a magnetic field. Gustave is the same guy that made a bunch of aquarium videos with current flow and saw the various vortex forms. The bubbles swirled around dependent on the setup and the direction of current flow, etc. Gustave proved that he is clueless with his aquarium videos and he even mentions them in the new clip.
This business of the spinning magnet on a convex surface was already explained earlier in this thread. It has very little to do with magnetic fields. The only thing the magnetic field does is impart a force of attraction on the spinning magnet. If you passed Grade 8 physics then you should be able to figure out why the magnet spins. If you can't understand why the magnet spins then it's like there is a huge area of your cognitive thought process that is incapable of doing simple visualizations and solving simple physics problems. It doesn't necessarily mean that you are stupid, it just means that you can't visualize or understand these kinds of things. It's like a lay person looking at a flat screen TV and if you ask them about the "guts" they have no clue.
Where you cross the gap into stupidity is when you blindly believe someone else's explanation when you don't understand the real explanation or the fake explanation. You decide to hitch a ride on the fake explanation (like Gustave) without the faintest understanding one way or the other. You can sense this big [ b l a n k ] in some people's cognitive processes.
A tempest in a teapot over a bloody magnet spinning on a convex piece of glass. Physics is being "rewritten."
The whole thing has a feeling like the crazy absurdities and juxtapositions you see in the movie Dr. Strangelove.
The broken ring magnet that magically comes together with the two pieces in opposite orientations is another example. Give you guys a Rubik's Cube and some of you would probably have mental orgasms.
MileHigh
Re spinning magnet on a convex surface...
if the inner magnet was on a more concave surface, then the rotation would be reversed (compared to previous demos, cw motion of drive magnet will cause cw rotation).
if the curve was exactly the same then it would slide, other than when the driving magnet becomes skewed from the center... then if it's more towards the center, then the rotation will be reversed (drive cw, rotation cw), if it's towards the outside, the rotation will be as has been demonstrated on a convex lens so far (drive cw, rotation ccw)
IF the experiment was done on 2 plates of glass there would be no rotation... so there must be something about the interaction of the curve that allows it...
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Why is cereal magnetic?
Quote from: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 08:03:02 PM
MileHigh
If you lived to be 200 years old, you could STILL never step up to Tesla or the likes of Eric P Dollard
YOU KNOW WHAT BOTH HAVE IN COMMON??????????????????? INTENSE STUDY OF DIELECTRICITY
NOT ELECTRICITY........BUT DIELECTRICITY.Yes, son, that is the "Secret" of "magnets", the PROOF of my book, the ACCURATE EXPLANATION of all magnetic phenomena.
Its OVER,............. talk is cheap.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 07, 2014, 08:23:53 PM
YOU KNOW WHAT BOTH HAVE IN COMMON? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? INTENSE STUDY OF DIELECTRICITY
NOT ELECTRICITY........BUT DIELECTRICITY.
Yes, son, that is the "Secret" of "magnets", the PROOF of my book, the ACCURATE EXPLANATION of all magnetic phenomena.
Its OVER,............. talk is cheap.
I have a 3000F dielectric body; it has no magnetic field.
Quote from: Acca on August 06, 2014, 07:49:03 AM
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Here are some examples of his messages to people: from the last 24 hours:
As you can see that all comments are insults and have NO value to any members here,
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Insulting member and using profanity is not professional use of Overunity dot com
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WARNING TO ALL MEMBERS: This evil fool, "TINSELKOALA" has been stalking me OFF THIS SITE..........he has 20 posts in prior pages as PROOF OF THIS FACT.
He is posting trash on Amazon reviews ( he did 8 today alone)............, INSANE THINGS, and doing other things I wont mention.
Lucky me, I could care less. I seek wisdom, Im not selling anyone anything.
Other than CLOGGING UP MY EMAIL with his evil trash ...... ;)
I have a 50+ body...it has animal magnetism.
Regards...
Quote from: d3x0r on August 07, 2014, 08:27:39 PM
I have a 3000F dielectric body; it has no magnetic field.
Whoooops on you ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DOF COURSE.......thats because it IS NOT / HAS NOT DISCHARGED
You missed the 100 posts I made stating magnetism is the discharge/ radiation of Dielectricity or the resultant of electricity losing its dielectric component!!!!!!
"magnetism is the dielectric FIELD (in discharge)" - FARADAY
Kenny:
But my posting was about the spinning magnet and broken ring magnet.
I notice how for a while now you ignore my main points when I make an occasional posting here. That's very telling.
Dollard is a flake as far as I am concerned. Tesla was quite brilliant, but I believe that he never managed to understand the mathematical modeling behind his research. So he could visualize and create, but he could never take it to the next level. His body of knowledge is appreciated and has been absorbed into more modern and more advanced ways of doing things. Tesla was just human, and like any person he had his limitations.
I am strongly suspecting that "dielectricity" was a very early term that was coined because researchers noticed two fields, the electric field and the magnetic field. They acknowledged that current flow created a magnetic field. But they also saw that a magnetic field could be generated with no apparent current flow. The term "dielectric" implies the prevention of current flow. Hence, just my pet theory mind you, that since they observed a magnetic field with no apparent current flow, then a kind of "dielectricity" was responsible for one of the observable magnetic fields and "electricity" was responsible for the electric fields.
Now wouldn't that be funny: Kenny going crazy over "dielectricity" because he read some 19th century texts that were written before Rutherford figured out the basic structure of the atom. After all, without understanding the basic structure of the atom, it's very confusing to observe a magnetic field with no apparent source. Since the source appears to emanate from something with no current flow, it must be a "dielectric" source.
If my theory is true, that would be your ultimate "Roseanne Roseannadanna" moment, but I know that you are too young to get the joke, son.
MileHigh
Quote from: d3x0r on August 07, 2014, 08:15:26 PM
Re spinning magnet on a convex surface...
if the inner magnet was on a more concave surface, then the rotation would be reversed (compared to previous demos, cw motion of drive magnet will cause cw rotation).
if the curve was exactly the same then it would slide, other than when the driving magnet becomes skewed from the center... then if it's more towards the center, then the rotation will be reversed (drive cw, rotation cw), if it's towards the outside, the rotation will be as has been demonstrated on a convex lens so far (drive cw, rotation ccw)
I just tried that experiment, and NO, doesnt work as you say.works the same as base magnet FLAT, and top magnet on concave side
Quote from: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 08:49:07 PM
Dollard is a flake as far as I am concerned.
MileHigh
They said the same about Tesla................hes done a MOUNTAIN of work, his new book coming out is TITANIC, mostly equations.
"THE WISE LOVE HIM FOR THE SAME REASONS THE FOOLS HATE HIM" - PROCLUS
proving my point, you lost that one (same as always)
Quote from: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 08:49:07 PM
I am strongly suspecting that "dielectricity" was a very early term that was coined because researchers noticed two fields, the electric field and the magnetic field. They acknowledged that current flow created a magnetic field. But they also saw that a magnetic field could be generated with no apparent current flow. The term "dielectric" implies the prevention of current flow. Hence, just my pet theory mind you, that since they observed a magnetic field with no apparent current flow, then a kind of "dielectricity" was responsible for one of the observable magnetic fields and "electricity" was responsible for the electric fields.
You have no idea what dielectricity is.
what "no current flow"?????????????? DUMMY, all matter is FULL of magneto-dielectricity.
The notion that an atom is "99.99999999% empty" is the BIGGEST FUCKING LIE of "physics" that exist
Quotewhat "no current flow"?? DUMMY
That's where you are broadcasting out to the world that you have a psychological disorder. You seemingly can't make a distinction between a speculation that I am making about someone else and my own thoughts. Or else, you are fully aware of the distinction but you make a posting like that anyway because in a quasi psychopathic way you believe the spin is more important then the logic of the argument and your own credibility.
Either way, it does not bode well in terms of your mental health.
TA,
I remain confused as to what you believe occurs when an electrical magnetizer (or PM) is used to "magnetize" (align) a pre-magnet.
I reread several of the earliest pages of this thread. Early on, in several posts, you made the following statements:
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Do you even know how a "magnet" is created? dumped charged capacitor banks spin up in geometric magneto-dielectric incommensurability the magnetic and dielectric fields to MAKE the specific geometry.
...
However only a magnetically induced object is a genuine "magnet", what you and others call a "magnet" is a dielectric object.
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As well, as I have previously posted, you have made these comments:
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Let me give you a clue AGAIN-
"magnets" are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE (pre-) "POLES" (at which time they are of course "PRE-magnetized [rather pre-dielectrified]" ceramics)
Current is discharged thru the ENTIRE F-ing magnet
Does the word "induction" ring a bell to you? (not magnetic INDUCTION), but the induction used to CREATE a "magnet".
Magnets are not "MAGNETIZED", thats magnetic induction from a magnet TO a piece of iron IN THE MAG FIELD, for example. That is magnetic field INDUCTION.
a "magnet" has an enormous dis-equalibrium between the interatomic magneto-dielectric, also as increased by the NeoFeBoron ceramic structure.
All that magnetism IN a NEO is powered by the charge potential increase FROM the discharged electromagnetic coils INTO the entire F-ing Neo-Fe-Boron "pre-magnet".
Current is discharged thru the ENTIRE F-ing magnet, which creates, resultantly this magneto-dielectric structure:
Does the word "induction" ring a bell to you? (not magnetic INDUCTION), but the induction used to CREATE a "magnet"
Oh hell, look wireless INDUCTION powering a light bulb!!! how "new" (wait, no its not).
Please wise the hell up, no offense.
That charge dumps from the banks to the coil INTO THE "MAGNETS", son, is what causes the dis-equilibrium and creates that Finger-Breaking Neo-Magnet (that you have no clue how it works)
I suggest you learn what ELECTRICAL INDUCTION IS
In a magnetizer station, an enormous INDUCTIVE CHARGE IS DUMPED into the pre-"magnet" to create the "magnet" (of which a portion is retained, resultant with the magneto-dielectric dis-equalibrium of the , now, "magnet").
Again, suggest you look up the word INDUCTION
THAT IS, if you think you cannot fry bacon wirelessly between two INDUCTION COILS (which you can) I thought you were smarter than that (guess not).
An inductive charge is placed from the cap banks, thru the coils and THRU the "magnet" , of which a portion of the charge is left "permanently" remaining
Just like running a fast river for an instant in the sand, leaving a permanent "mark", in this case, the "mark" is the dis-equilibrium of the magneto-dielectric in and of the (now) "magnet".
Let me WISE YOU THE HECK up (no offense, honestly) ....
CONTACT electrification, and INDUCTION electrification are BOTH #&*@(@(@ ELECTRIFICATION
Dead wrong son. Brief LARGE AMOUNT OF CURRENT you mean.
You're as clueless as a goddamn lemming. You dont (still) GET the fucking word "MAGNETIZE" , Magnetization (as implied resultant magnetism in the "magnet") is the TERMINATION OF ELECTRICITY moron.......... Even a 8th grade book on electricity will tell you that son.
How the FUCK did you think you created a FINGER CRUSHING NEO MAGNET? Its inductively CHARGED at the dielectric from the Cap banks, to the coils INTO the Magnet.
Let me give you a fucking heads up on the word "ELECTROMAGNET"........OK, Its OVERWHELMINGLY ELECTRICAL, with resultant strong magnetic (temporary) charge.
Yes, moron, the magnet is electrically INDUCED BY the ELECTRIC INDUCTION from the ELECTO-magnet. Wise the ever loving hell up boy.
NOW ask how you create a (very WEAK) permanent magnet with a STRONG magnet?
YOU STROKE IT with the strong magnet and align the dielectricity in a coherent fashion in the steel bar ,etc,... to create resultant macro-magnetic polarization
Ohhhhhhhh, and WHY IS A MAGNET MADE THIS WAY SO STINKING WEAK IN POWER?? because it was not, IS NOT, HAS NOT been electrified from a HUGE inductive electrical DUMP
So, you're saying you STILL havent learned about wireless touchless induction?
In my earlier posts, I have already discussed the error in thinking, or at least stating, that a magnetizer discharges large currents directly thru the poles of a pre-magnet. Apparently in agreement with that, you then spoke of electrical induction, as if that is what you actually meant to say (and which you also supported by posting the images of a wireless transmission system). I postulated that if electrical current induced into the pre-magnet via induction was the actual mechanism utilized by a magnetizer, that it would seem logical to expect that the RATE at which the magnetizer's field was applied should affect the strength of the field achieved in the pre-magnet, with a faster rise/fall time producing a stronger field (i.e., dV/dt).
As I said I would, I spoke with a magnetizer engineer, and as I suspected, only the peak field strength achieved by the magnetizer, not the rate at which the magnetizer's field is applied, determines the field strength produced in a pre-magnet. In fact, if the rate of change of the magnetizer's is too fast, there are undesirable eddy currents induced into electrically conducting pre-magnets, and the magnetic field that these undesirable eddy currents produce is in opposition to the magnetizer's field, which undesirably limits the field strength achieved in the pre-magnet. Because of this, the rate of change of the magnetizer's field must be slowed to reduce these effects. This is contrary to what one would expect if electrical induction of current into a magnet were the mechanism utilized by a magnetizer. This apparently rules out electrical induction as the mechanism involved in "magnetizing" a pre-magnet.
One of the points I mentioned regarding the engineer I contacted is below, followed by your response:
[Quote from: picowatt on August 06, 2014, 12:55:12 AM]
7. The source of the magnetic field used as the source of the magnetizer field is unimportant. For a given applied field strength, that field strength is identical irregardless of whether it comes from an electromagnet or PM (although their are practical considerations regarding the use of a PM as its field cannot be turned off).
[/quote response from TA]
I SAID EXACTLY THAT MORON........ However try to get a NEO to hold its field by mere PM induction!!!!!!!!! hahahah!!!!!
[/quote]
Throughout this thread you have maintained a distinction between a "real" magnet made using another magnet (with what you referred to as "magnetic induction") and a magnet made via some electrical discharge mechanism. With regard to the quote from my previous posting and your reply immediately above, you seem to now be agreeing that the source of the magnetic field (PM or EM) used to align the domains of a pre-magnet is unimportant, and that only the peak field strength achieved is important.
This also seems to eliminate the distinction you have repeatedly made between a magnet made using another magnet, and one created using an electrical means. That is to say, all magnets are created equal.
If you would, please clarify your position on this.
Are we now in agreement that irregardless of whether a PM, EM or "cap discharge" into an EM is used, all magnets are created by the same mechanism, i.e., alignment?
PW
TouretteAphophis was a little surprised that his new theory of everything and the kitchen sink wasn't exactly met with overwhelming enthusiasm and praise from the uneducated masses. Maybe, he thought, the presentation was just too data laden and humble to be appreciated by those childlike imbeciles he chose to talk to.
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Quote from: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 09:14:08 PM
That's where you are broadcasting out to the world that you have a psychological disorder. You seemingly can't make a distinction between a speculation that I am making about someone else and my own thoughts. Or else, you are fully aware of the distinction but you make a posting like that anyway because in a quasi psychopathic way you believe the spin is more important then the logic of the argument and your own credibility.
Either way, it does not bode well in terms of your mental health.
ad hominem, and doesnt address the point.
The LIE you and the other fools were taught that "ATOMS are 99.99999999% EMPTY SPACE" is
100.99999999% ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT
Quote from: orbut 3000 on August 07, 2014, 09:32:34 PM
TouretteAphophis was a little surprised that his new theory of everything and the kitchen sink wasn't exactly met with overwhelming enthusiasm
Actually it has been. Im sick of the FLOOD of emails.
In case you forgot, the book has had several 100 thousand downloads already.
In case you forgot, I dont care what anyone thinks.
IM NOT SELLING ANYTHING TO ANYONE. ......... I neither want anyones MONEY nor RESPECT
"wisdom and discovery are their own rewards"
- Damascius
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 07, 2014, 10:06:01 PM
In case you forgot, I dont care what anyone thinks.
So... if you don't care, why do you care?
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 09:30:50 PM
Apparently in agreement with that, you then spoke of electrical induction
Lets get YOU some education, son,
Electricity = PHI X PSI ............magnetism times dielectricity.
Spacetime is the conjugate hybrid interaction of Magnetism and Dielectricity and their mutual transformation into Electric Power and Energy. Frequency gives rise to
energy, this in Plancks per second.Unlike magnetism the energy is forced or compressed inwards rather than outwards. Dielectric lines of force push inward into internal space and along axis, rather than pushed outward broadside to axis as in the magnetic field. Because the lines are mutually repellent certain amounts of broadside or transverse motion can be expected but the phenomena is basically longitudinal. This gives rise to an interesting paradox that will be noticed with capacity. This is that the smaller the space bounded by the conducting structure the more energy that can be stored. This is the exact opposite of magnetism
Dielectricity is the Ether under torsion and torque at its inertial plane; magnetism is a spatial circular reciprocating vortex, an Etheric 'pair' of fountains and countersinks. Electricity is the dynamic radial or reciprocating polarization of the Ether.
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 09:30:50 PM
I remain confused as to what
I remain confused as to WHY you dont know that electricity is a HYBRID of magnetism and dielectricity
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 09:30:50 PM
In my earlier posts, I have already discussed the error in thinking, or at least stating, that a magnetizer discharges large currents directly thru the poles of a pre-magnet. Apparently in agreement with that, you then spoke of electrical induction
Now, son, tell us the difference between ELECTRICITY and DIELECTRICITY ;D ;D
Maxwell's discovery of a factor of proportionality between dielectricity and magnetism led to his theory of conjugate pair of inductions, dielectric and magnetic, in union, propagating at the velocity of light through the "Luminiferous Aether". Hence, electro-magnetic waves in free space, unbounded by gross physical matter, mass free energy. This propagation is within the dielectric, or aetheric, medium itself. It is free of so-called "charge carriers" (electrons), a mass-less form of electricity. This concept had a very powerful impact upon the scientific and philosophical thoughts of Maxwell's era. So here begins the notion of "wireless", the transmission of electricity without wires or other guiding structures. Leading up to the work of Heinrich Hertz, 1857 to 1894, the wireless transmission of electricity had found experimental verification by Joseph Henry, and Elihu Thompson. It even was patented by M. Loomis. These examples however were not electro-magnetic, they were electro-static (dielectric). Heinrich Hertz provided the first complete laboratory demonstration of the transmission of electricity through "free space", (across the room). This was instantly considered proof of the Maxwell theory of electro-magnetism, and electro-magnetic waves. When Nikola Tesla engaged in the experiments of Hertz, he found these waves not to be completely electromagnetic. The early death of Hertz prevented any further progress. However "the world view" kept hold of its belief that "Hertzian" waves are only transverse E. M. waves, the two distinctions now synonymous
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 09:30:50 PM
as if that is what you actually meant to say (and which you also supported by posting the images of a wireless transmission system). I postulated that if electrical current induced into the pre-magnet via induction was the actual mechanism utilized by a magnetizer, that it would seem logical to expect that the RATE at which the magnetizer's field was applied should affect the strength of the field achieved in the pre-magnet, with a faster rise/fall time producing a stronger field (i.e., dV/dt).
You never read MAXWELL on the "RATE".......suggest you READ SAME........
Faraday was the originator of the concept of =the magnetic field, (which is described in terms of "magnetic curves" our present day "magnetic lines of force") however HE NEVER SO MUCH AS SUGGESTED in his works that induced currents were a resultant of changing magnetic fields. ON THE CONTRARY, he clearly associated the phenomena of electromagnetic induction with changing electrical currents.
As per Maxwell, he TOO considered EM induction as a phenomena in which a current (or EM force) is induced in a circuit. but not as a phenomena in which a changing magnetic field causes an electrical field. He
CLEARLY said tha the induced EM force is "MEASURED BY, not CAUSED BY the changing mag field" Just as Faraday, he made NO allusion to ANY CAUSAL link between magnetic and electric fields
----- Dr. Oleg D. JefimenkoNow what about your goddamn "RATE"????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Time is applicable to MAGNETISM MORON.................NOT DIELECTRICITY, Spacetime is a vector of polarized FIELDS............not radial ones
FOUR primary dimensions in electrical engineering. These are:
1) Time
2) Space
3) Dielectricity
4) Magnetism
Every other relation, quantity, or expression, Volt, Amp, Ohm, etc. is
derived from these FOUR dimensions. Time and Space are the metrical
dimensions; Dielectricity and Magnetism are the physical dimensions. It is
that basic!
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 09:30:50 PM
As I said I would, I spoke with a magnetizer engineer
I dont give a FUCK who you talked to, hes a MONKEY that pushes buttons ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
How goddamn DUMB are you????
Quote from: orbut 3000 on August 07, 2014, 10:11:29 PM
So... if you don't care, why do you care?
Who said I cared?
Suggest your read up on Taoist strategy, and the "two smooth rocks" ancient metaphor.....
THEN you will "get it".
Quotead hominem, and doesnt address the point.
You are the number one poster boy for ad hominem attacks.
You are the number one poster boy for responding and not addressing the point.
You are not making it into the tech history books Kenny.
Hmmm, how does a 1.5-volt AA cell light up a string of six 90-volt neons in series?
A: Harvesting the power of magnetism.
Ponder that one big boy.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 07, 2014, 10:18:47 PM
Who said I cared?
Right. You didn't even care to post. In
bold and CAPS.
Quote from: orbut 3000 on August 07, 2014, 10:30:37 PM
Right. You didn't even care to post. In bold and CAPS.
Ive used this method for over 20 years in Greek and Prakrit translations in debating Theravadin nihilistic scum......, I know what I am doing AND WHY
That method is ancient, I know what it is, ......and no, i will NOT reveal it to you.
;D
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 09:30:50 PM
This apparently rules out electrical induction as the mechanism involved in "magnetizing" a pre-magnet.
Tell me when you learn the goddamn difference between electricity and dielectricity
Tell me when you learn that electricity is the product of magnetism and dielectricity
Tell me when you learn that Electricity terminates AS magnetism by losing its dielectric component (in discharge)
TELL ME when you fucking learn that magnetism = radiation = discharge = spatial = polarized(-ing).
School nor common sense (if any) has done you any good. Id say they Intellectually ABUSED your fundamental grasp of
"CHARGE (and resultant) DISCHARGE" ;D
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 09:30:50 PM
only the peak field strength achieved by the magnetizer, not the rate at which the magnetizer's field is applied, determines the field strength produced in a pre-magnet.
YES, and......... lets see the "ELECTRIC FIELD"......... DIELECTRICITY + MAGNETISM
back to reading JC Maxwell with you
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 07, 2014, 08:32:33 PM
Whoooops on you ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
OF COURSE.......thats because it IS NOT / HAS NOT DISCHARGED
You missed the 100 posts I made stating magnetism is the discharge/ radiation of Dielectricity or the resultant of electricity losing its dielectric component!!!!!!
"magnetism is the dielectric FIELD (in discharge)" - FARADAY
dielectric - di being the greek prefix for 2...
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/57600/prefix-di-and-bi (why use di instead of bi? origin of the word)
Origin of electric? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_electricity Sir francis bacon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon 22 January 1561 – 9 April 1626)
The word has changed meaning through time also.
"The New Latin adjective electricus, originally meaning 'of amber', was first used to refer to amber's attractive properties by William Gilbert in his 1600 text De Magnete. The term came from the classical Latin electrum, amber, from the Greek ἤλεκτρον (elektron), amber.[1] The origin of the Greek word is unknown, but there is speculation that it might have come from a Phoenician word elēkrŏn, meaning 'shining light'."
Both similar; unclear why faraday would choose the greek prefix instead of latin; other than other science values are greek prefixed... such as carbon
dioxide... but then there's sodium
bicarbonate.
So a dielectric would be a battery or leyden jar or other capacitive thing with 2 poles.
a discharge of such a dielectric causes a current which cause a magnetic field.
There is a difference though, in this method, the field is temporary; but there are materials that can be magnetostatic.
And, much like an electrostatic can be applied to make a momentary magnetic field, a magnetostatic can be used to make a momentary dielectric field. The dielectric field can be condensed with a capacitor and remain as an electrostatic. A magnetic field can be condensed by a ferromagnetic material and remain as a magnetostatic.
Much like you're approaching this from the view that dielectrics are the only thing that exist, and are responsible in all ways for everything magnetic, Ed Leedskalnin believed the opposite; and that magnets caused other magnets to move and be stored in batteries and capacitors; which is many ways is easier to follow, since magnets are so obviously static, and dielectrics so obviously dynamic and fleeting; but equally myopic.
It is interesting that the first inductive experiments were with a electromagnet and not a static magnet; although for man-power it takes a strong magnet and/or large inductance coil to notice a significant change on a meter... much like piezoelectrics generate such a small current when operated by human power.
1831 - electromagnetic induction from electrostatics; magnetostatic operation theorized by faraday
1832 - magnetostatic generator (dynamo practical of industrial use) implemented by Hippolyte Pixii
There is a thing called an Electret which is a static dipole of electric charge.
coined after the existing term magnet which is a static dipole of magnetic charge.
Both require external work to make a useful energy... electrets are such high resistance they do not generate continuous magnetic fields so must be applied and removed from a circuit... much like a magnet must be applied and removed from a circuit to get useful dielectric work from them.
Your praise dollard so; and yet he represents the full picture of maxwell as being both dielectric and magnetic... if one were the other you wouldn't need phi and psi... you would just need psi and a function of psi to get plank.
A capacitor is a dielectric device and has little magnetic effects.
An inductor is a magnetic device and has little dielectric effects.
a magnetic field on an inductor will persist in a closed circuit unless a capacitor is introduced in series. (minus losses from resistance)
a dielectric field in a capacitor will persist in an open circuit unless closed by an inductor; any peice of wire no matter how short is an inductor. (minus losses from radiated charge)
But neither operates alone, and each influences the other... that's why there's 2 axis in dollard's work - the dielectric and the magnetic, the cross of which divides into 4 quadrants... (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B812EYiKwtkkS0R3Vzd3TkRMOWs).
Tesla's work was mostly magnetic (inductive), condensers being a means to an end and the target wasn't dielectric... faraday's induction experiments he express the result as " he expected that when current started to flow in one wire, a sort of wave would travel through the ring and cause some electrical effect on the opposite side" (wikipedia) (I looked very briefly for more precise quotes but didn't spend any time really)
I appreciate the devotion you have to your ideals... but you're trying to make a normal dirail train work as a monorail. (bad example because there are monorails that function just as well as dirails, and it's really a quadrail). ... maybe something more like being blind or deaf one can still function, but not as well as being sighted and aurally gifted.
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 09:30:50 PM
The source of the magnetic field used as the source of the magnetizer field is unimportant.
You left out the important part in "creating a magnet" "soft magnet or permanent magnet".
1. increase in dielectric capacitance from discharge coils
2. Dielectric coherency from an applied magnetic field by induction.
3. That "magnetic field" , moron, also creates magnetic induction by dielectric COHERENCY..........Magnetism attracts nothing, it displaces dielectricity. ;D ;D ;D
Or, did you think iron filings were "jumping to a magnet" due to MAGNETISM??? ROFL
Unlike magnetism the energy is forced or compressed inwards rather than outwards. Dielectric lines of force push inward into internal space and along axis, rather than pushed outward broadside to axis as in the magnetic field. Because the lines are mutually repellent certain amounts of broadside or transverse motion can be expected but the phenomena is basically longitudinal. This gives rise to an interesting paradox that will be noticed with capacity. This is that the smaller the space bounded by the conducting structure the more energy that can be stored. This is the exact opposite of magnetism
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 07, 2014, 10:03:43 PM
ad hominem, and doesnt address the point.
The LIE you and the other fools were taught that "ATOMS are 99.99999999% EMPTY SPACE" is 100.99999999% ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT
TA,
I would lean more so towards stating that all particles, and therefore all matter, are more likely (or just as likely) 100% empty space (although we're still looking/learning). There are, however, those "areas" of space (or aether)so defined with specific properties (wave functions) that do indeed act like particles (and matter). Those areas, labeled as they are, can be manipulated as we have learned to do with the laws/rules/math and techniques we have developed. This concept of nothing being "real" per se', predates your birth. Even I, more than a decade before you were born, would state repeatedly to those who thought I was somewhat "touched", that "everything is made of nothing, and all nothing is almost something". You might be surprised how I envision the world to be, and as well, how mainstream scientists imagine it.
The electron is not the only particle to have its wave function calculated. They're getting there for all of them. The big question relates to one I asked that you seemed to push aside, and that was if you believe the aether to be as Tesla described in the quote of his that you posted. I.e., that the aether was a "medium thru which energy propagated as does sound thru the air". That would infer that he believed the aether to be some" thing" unto itself.
I also believe the great minds of the past, including those you both praise and disrespect, would be amazed at where we currently are technologically and how we have used and improved upon their discoveries since their time.
With regard to the above, you are for the most part, merely preaching to the choir.
However, I fail to see how your response in anyway addresses or answers the question I posed.
Do you now agree that all magnets are created equal, irregardless of whether a PM, EM, or capacitive discharge/EM is used to align the domains?
PW
Quote from: d3x0r on August 07, 2014, 10:43:38 PM
dielectric - di being the greek prefix for 2...
You cant go applying DI + ELEKTRON to the Greek , not in the case of Dielectricity ;D ;D ;D
"The supreme irony is that the notion of "electromagnetism" exists at all, which definitionally cannot exist, since electricity is the product of electrostatics and magnetism, as meant dielectricity and magnetism (Φ x Ψ = Q, or electrification). To say "electromagnetism" is like saying, "charging-discharge", or "pregnant baby"; it is insanity.
The very term 'electromagnetism' is a compound of two Greek terms, ἢλεκτρον, electron (amber, which creates, easily, electrostatics charges), and the term μαγνήτης, 'magnetic', from (μαγνήτης λίθος), which means "magnesian stone", the "magic attractive stone" with natural macro-magnetic phenomena. Electricity is a hybrid Ether-modality of Φ x Ψ. Magnetism is the radiative discharge of dielectricity, or electrification in discharge at which time it terminates AS magnetism in losing its dielectric component. Pliny states that: 'in Syria the women make the whorls of their spindles of this substance, and give it the name of harpax (from ἁρπάζω, "resonate, attract", same as the word for harp musical instrument) from the circumstance that it attracts leaves towards it, chaff, and the light fringes of tissues.' As such we have today the term electromagnetism which is from the terms dielectricity + magnetism, which is what electricity is. However we wrongly understand and fail to differentiate magnetism, from dielectricity, and electricity. These three are wholly separate Ether modalities and electricity is a hybrid of both magnetism and dielectricity in a circuit working together to create electricity." – Author
>>>So a dielectric would be a battery or leyden jar or other capacitive thing with 2 poles.
polarity is "the DISCHARGE.........the dielectric FIELD"- FARADAY
i.e. magnetism.
For some reason you people have a BRAIN FART when it comes to the concept of "DISCHARGE" :D :D :D
TA,
Having read your replies made while I was posting, are you continuing to draw a distinction between a magnet made using a PM and a magnet made using an EM (or cap discharge into an EM, which is the same thing as any other EM)?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 10:45:12 PM
Do you now agree that all magnets are created equal, irregardless of whether a PM, EM, or capacitive discharge/EM is used to align the domains?
PW
They are NOT, you fail to grasp that a soft ferrite "MAGNET" has ONLY dielectric coherency, and NOT an increase in dielectric capacitance.
Heres an analogy for you.
5 watts of INCOHERENT LIGHT
5 watts of COHERENT LIGHT
100 watts of COHERENT LIGHT
Get it yet? NO? YES? ;D ;D ;D ;D Holy shit.
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
are you continuing to draw a distinction between a magnet made using a PM and a magnet made using an EM
Here is your error, which I get your brain block.
resultant SAME GAUSS RATINGS
resultant WHOLLY DIFF CAPACITANCE, and permanence.
I can take an N42 Gauss ferrite and reverse its polarity in 1 SECOND ;D ;D
try doing that shit with a NEO or somarium cobalt ROFL
Quote from: d3x0r on August 07, 2014, 10:43:38 PM
material and remain as a magnetostatic.
Much like you're approaching this from the view that dielectrics are the only thing that exist, and are responsible in all ways for everything magnetic, Ed Leedskalnin believed the opposite
The term "magnetostatic" is BS itself, magnetism is the discharge from a PRIOR, either dielectric or electricity in losing its dielectric component.
Ed Leedskalnin ????? FUCK HIM, he was an intelligent person that discovered great ways to MOVE HUGE CORAL ROCKS
His book on magnetism is the most insane oblivious nonsense and horseshit I have ever read. Have you read his "work" on magnetism? Its like he scribbled it while constipated on his toilet.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 07, 2014, 10:52:38 PM
They are NOT, you fail to grasp that a soft ferrite "MAGNET" has ONLY dielectric coherency, and NOT an increase in dielectric capacitance.
But you have stated previously that some electrical means, i.e., cap discharge, is required to make one type of magnet and a that a PM can only be used to make another. Assuming you are making a distinction between a SmCo or NdFeB magnet and say AlNiCo and FeO ceramics, according to someone who designs the equipment that is used to "magnetize" them, the process used to "magnetize" them makes no difference. As long as the magnetic field (oersteds) applied to the poles of the pre-magnet are similar, and of sufficient strength to overcome pinning forces, the source of the magnetic field or the rate at which it is applied is unimportant (as long as the rate is slow enough to prevent inducing unwanted levels of eddy currents).
Quote
Heres an analogy for you.
5 watts of INCOHERENT LIGHT
5 watts of COHERENT LIGHT
100 watts of COHERENT LIGHT
Get it yet? NO? YES? ;D ;D ;D ;D Holy shit.
No, I don't get it. Your analogy makes no sense.
PW
Quote from: d3x0r on August 07, 2014, 10:43:38 PM
since magnets are so obviously static,
WHAT THE HELL?????????
Nothing in the universe is LESS STATIC than magnetism. You just said "static radiation" :o :o :o :o :o :o
gyromagnetic precession, reciprocating DIVERGENT centrifugal fields creating space and POLARIZED
When you find a "Static magnet" , let me know OMG.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 07, 2014, 10:43:38 PM
electrets are such high resistance they do not generate continuous magnetic fields so must be applied and removed from a circuit... much like a magnet must be applied and removed from a circuit to get useful dielectric work from them.
Your praise dollard so; and yet he represents the full picture of maxwell as being both dielectric and magnetic... if one were the other you wouldn't need phi and psi... you would just need psi and a function of psi to get plank.
A capacitor is a dielectric device and has little magnetic effects.
An inductor is a magnetic device and has little dielectric effects.
A capacitor is a dielectric device and has little magnetic effects...........
no shit, an UNDISCHARGED charge is going to have low to NILL DISCHARGE (magnetism)An inductor is POWERED by dielectricity, so thats BS.
Your praise dollard so; and yet he represents the full picture of maxwell as being both dielectric and magnetic.<<<
Longitudinal dielectrics without an (apparent) magnetic component you mean.
Six Fundamental Types of Waves: First set: TEM (transverse electro magnetic) Waves: 1. TE – Transverse Electric (Dielectric) 2. TM – Transverse Magnetic 3. TEM – Transverse dielectro-electromagnetic with dielectric as the longitudinal coaxial Z-axis.
Second set: Longitudinal waves: 1. LD - Longitudinal Dielectric 2. LM - Longitudinal Magneto 3. LMD - Longitudinal magneto Dielectric.
Electricity is comprised of two components
1. Dielectricity – Generated by a capacitor, counter-space phenomena; storage and return of dielectric energy.
2. Magnetism –Generated by a coil of wire, decaying electricity, spatial phenomena; storage and return of magnetic energy; electro-motor force; lines per second.
Electromagnetic induction – time & magnetism; produces melting; radiation. Dielectric Induction – Brighter light, no melting, higher frequency, less power usage, blue spark, growth and generation.
Electrical Engineering has four primary dimensions
Metric
1) time, t, second
2) space, l, centimeter
Field
3) magnetism, , Weber
4) dielectricity, , Coulomb
Dielectric field = Phi/LxT (Weber per centimeter-second)
Magnetic field = Psi/LxT (Coulombs per centimeter-second)
Electromagnetic induction: E (volts) = Phi/time
Magneto-dielectric induction: I (Amps) = Psi/time
Quote from: d3x0r on August 07, 2014, 10:43:38 PM
I appreciate the devotion you have to your ideals... but you're trying to make a normal dirail train work as a monorail.
Just the opposite, I am saying it IS a monorail. Charge-discharge are the Principle-attribute of ONE ENTITY
If you want complicated bullshit, you need look no further than the goddamn CULT OF QUANTUM
muons, glouns, photons, electrons, negative momentum particles, "virtual particles"
Its a fucking pseudo-scientific religion looking for Unicorn particles. They create and invent NOTHING, They convolute the ever-loving SHIT out of a simplex system of 4 Ether modalities
dielectricity magnetism (discharge)
electricity (Phi and Psi)
and matter/Gravity (a hybrid condensate of dielectricity).
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 10:45:12 PM
I also believe the great minds of the past, including those you both praise and disrespect, would be amazed at where we currently are technologically and how we have used and improved upon their discoveries since their time.
This is where your brain REALLY TAKES A FLUSH down the crapper
A: they would be amazed at the TECH we have
B: THEY WOULD DIE WITH HORROR TO LEARN that we only learned how to INTELLIGENTLY manipulate shit into TECH, without understanding what is going on.
USING shit to create complex shit, is intelligence
KNOWING what the hell is going on at the fundamental level is a WHOLE OTHER THING.
Its STILL CALLED "Electrical THEORY" for a good godddamn fucking reason ;D ;D ;D :o :o
Illiterate CHINESE WOMEN build Iphones in China, they have NO IDEA how they work.
Whats more the people that DESIGNED said device ALSO (like yourself) have NO FUCKING CLUE the difference between Electricity and Dielectricity
nor the "difference" between saying "negative charge" (BS) and "discharge"
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
But you have stated previously that some electrical means, i.e., cap discharge, is required to make one type of magnet and a that a PM can only be used to make another.
Resultant GAUSS ratings of 2 magnets, one from coherency of dielectricity and one from
coherency and INCREASE in capacitance are
Quantitatively (temporarily) the same and
QUALITATIVELY wholly different.
Its like your ass doesnt get the diff. between 2 VW Bugs , both of which will max out at 100 MPH, but the other with a larger C.I. engine :o
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
the process used to "magnetize" them makes no difference.
dielectric coherency achieved in GAUSS is not the same (AT ALL) as GAUSS achieved by INCREASED capacitance and coherency.
The only thing manipulated is dielectricity,.......one is increased, the other is NOT.
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
As long as the magnetic field (oersteds) applied to the poles of the pre-magnet are similar,
Magnetism doesnt create magnets , applied induced magnetic fields cause dielectric coherency. Magnetism displaces, NOT attracts
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
the source of the magnetic field or the rate at which it is applied is unimportant (as long as the rate is slow enough to prevent inducing unwanted levels of eddy currents).
No, I don't get it. Your analogy makes no sense.
Tell that shit to NASA............ask them why they want N45 GAUSS NEOS or somarium cobalt in their devices and NOT FUCKING N45 Gauss FERRITE
Yes, I know you dont get it.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 07, 2014, 08:15:26 PM
Re spinning magnet on a convex surface...
if the inner magnet was on a more concave surface, then the rotation would be reversed (compared to previous demos, cw motion of drive magnet will cause cw rotation).
if the curve was exactly the same then it would slide, other than when the driving magnet becomes skewed from the center... then if it's more towards the center, then the rotation will be reversed (drive cw, rotation cw), if it's towards the outside, the rotation will be as has been demonstrated on a convex lens so far (drive cw, rotation ccw)
IF the experiment was done on 2 plates of glass there would be no rotation... so there must be something about the interaction of the curve that allows it...
-----
Magnet that looks for the center of the way (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4KKeA3RI98) (video)
The curve allows a breaking effect of the inner magnet due to how much/less conductive material is over the outer magnet, causing a rotation of the inner magnet. There is no rotation on 2 plates of glass because the inner magnet will stay centered with the outer magnet and there will be an equal amount of conductive material over the outer magnet (see the first snapshot below and how there is an equal amount of conductive material over the outer magnet, so there is no breaking effect). Reading the video description may also be helpful. Notice how the inner magnet rotates around the center point of the outer magnet when they are on the curve (see the second snapshot below and how there is more conductive material on one side of the outer magnet than the other, which causes a breaking effect and a rotation).
Gravock
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
WATCH THIS VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHuWloNGo6c&list=UUh3cY-IW8QsEFmAh-TAWwrw
How SuperMagnets are made
NOTICE THE HUGE ERROR AT 10:10 ?????????????????????????
He says "hit it with a high strength MAGNETIC FILED" (FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
then he says, its hit with :
2400V at 12AMPS
he just called VOLTAGE = MAGNETIC FIELD!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :oVOLTAGE IS TO DIELECTRICITY AS CURRENT IS TO MAGNETISMWith inductance the reaction to change of field is the production of voltage. The current is
proportionate to the field strength only and not velocity of field. With capacity the field is produced
not by current but voltage. This voltage must be accompanied by current in order for power to exist.
The reaction of capacitance to change of applied force is the production of current. The current is
directly proportional to the velocity of field strength. When voltage increases a reaction current
flows into capacitance and thereby energy accumulates. If voltage does not change no current flows
and the capacitance stores the energy which produced the field. If the voltage decreases then the
reaction current reverses and energy flows out of the dielectric field.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 07, 2014, 11:47:17 PM
Magnet that looks for the center of the way (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4KKeA3RI98) (video)
The curve allows a breaking effect of the inner magnet due to how much/less conductive material is over the outer magnet, causing a rotation of the inner magnet. There is no rotation on 2 plates of glass because the inner magnet will stay centered with the outer magnet and there will be an equal amount of conductive material over the outer magnet (see the first snapshot below and how there is an equal amount of conductive material over the outer magnet, so there is no breaking effect). Reading the video description may also be helpful. Notice how the inner magnet rotates around the center point of the outer magnet when they are on the curve (see the second snapshot below and how there is more conductive material on one side of the outer magnet than the other, which causes a breaking effect and a rotation).
Gravock
Thats a cool video, I never thought of that experiment. Its always the obvious experiments that are simple that are great. ;D
TA,
Why all the disrespect? I have shown you way more respect than you have shown me (certainly more than you deserve in kind)
Is this your bragged about method of debate? Just throw a lot of disrespect, condescension, foul language and offensive imagery at your opponent? I am not impressed...
And just a heads up so you know that you are just wasting time typing, I always stop reading and scroll onward as soon as I see bold type, foul language and condescension in your posts. There is no need for it.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 07, 2014, 11:53:09 PM
TA,
Why all the disrespect? I have shown you way more respect than you have shown me (certainly more than you deserve in kind)
Is this your bragged about method of debate? Just throw a lot of disrespect, condescension, foul language and offensive imagery at your opponent? I am not impressed...
And just a heads up so you know that you are just wasting time typing, I always stop reading and scroll onward as soon as I see bold type, foul language and condescension in your posts. There is no need for it.
PW
I see your diversionary tactic to keep addressing the rebuttals to your insane premises.
Wont work.
I only have to REFUTE YOU........not ----
1. impress you
2. convince you
;D ;D
Sooo-after all this strong debate and verbal trashing, what would be the advantage of a magnetic vortex-if it existed???
Oh, and a magnetic field can be created in soft iron, simply by giving it a sharp whack with another piece of steel. Just thought I'd throw that in there.
Quote from: tinman on August 08, 2014, 12:07:10 AM
Sooo-after all this strong debate and verbal trashing, what would be the advantage of a magnetic vortex-if it existed???
Oh, and a magnetic field can be created in soft iron, simply by giving it a sharp whack with another piece of steel. Just thought I'd throw that in there.
Yes, indeed you can, you can also do it by heating an iron bar for about 4 seconds with a propane torch and WHACKING it with a wood block while its lined up with the earths magnetosphere.
Some old Samurai swords, if laid on a grass matt in the water will align to the Earths magnetosphere, they were created in the last mins. that way, so a lost warrior in the woods could find his way.
Trashing? Ohhhh, you havent seen me trash anyone!!
this is just SALTY TALK ;D ;D ;)>>>what would be the advantage of a magnetic vortex-if it existed???
You answered that (beginning to) in your videos.
I hope you invent something awesome and make a fortune.
Experiments not talked about here will and are reaping results.
Like the pic below?
Quote from: tinman on August 08, 2014, 12:07:10 AM
Sooo-after all this strong debate and verbal trashing, what would be the advantage of a magnetic vortex-if it existed???
Oh, and a magnetic field can be created in soft iron, simply by giving it a sharp whack with another piece of steel. Just thought I'd throw that in there.
Tinman,
I see you tried the laser versus magnet experiment (I hope your dogs are resting comfortably...).
I would interpret the claim that a magnet can deflect a beam of light in the same manner as you did and likely perform an experiment in a similar fashion as you did. However, as TA has responded, what he actually did was shine the laser across the surface of the magnet at a very shallow angle. Note the angular distortion of the otherwise circular fringe rings into an oval shape surrounding the beam center (I suspect the fringe rings indicate the use of a HeNe or were due to collimating optics internal reflections). Those now oval shaped fringe rings continue to spread away from the point the beam center strikes the surface. The far end of the fringe rings are then at an even shallower angle across the magnet's surface. So much so, one can begin to see the surface texture of the magnet via the granular reflections.
Most likely all this experiment is doing is providing an indication of the surface profile of the magnet. No controls to investigate that more likely scenario have been presented or discussed (in fact, such suggestions are treated, well, poorly...).
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 08, 2014, 12:24:25 AM
Tinman,
I see you tried the laser versus magnet experiment (I hope your dogs are resting comfortably...).
I would interpret the claim that a magnet can deflect a beam of light in the same manner as you did and likely perform an experiment in a similar fashion as you did. However, as TA has responded, what he actually did was shine the laser across the surface of the magnet at a very shallow angle. Note the angular distortion of the otherwise circular fringe rings into an oval shape surrounding the beam center (I suspect the fringe rings indicate the use of a HeNe or were due to collimating optics internal reflections). Those now oval shaped fringe rings continue to spread away from the point the beam center strikes the surface. The far end of the fringe rings are then at an even shallower angle across the magnet's surface. So much so, one can begin to see the surface texture of the magnet via the granular reflections.
Most likely all this experiment is doing is providing an indication of the surface profile of the magnet. No controls to investigate that more likely scenario have been presented or discussed (in fact, such suggestions are treated, well, poorly...).
PW
Yeah, ONE TEST disproves
A: the Faraday Effect
B: my friends PATENTED invention
C: my ongoing experiments having nothing to DO with "shining light off an edge", but using a splitter, and 'other devices'
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 12:36:16 AM
Yeah, ONE TEST disproves
A: the Faraday Effect
B: my friends PATENTED invention
C: my ongoing experiments having nothing to DO with "shining light off an edge", but using a splitter, and 'other devices'
I was only discussing your "shine a laser on a magnet" test...
PW
Tinman - use this set up
http://www.teachspin.com/instruments/faraday/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1CjN2I7YeM Ferroelectric experiments
Quote from: Artoj on August 08, 2014, 12:57:26 AM
Tinman - use this set up
http://www.teachspin.com/instruments/faraday/
I love the way that link says:
Although Michael Faraday discovered this effect in 1845, it wasn't modeled quantum mechanically until the 1960's. These theoretical calculations are too sophisticated for the undergraduate student
Its simple, all LIGHT/ TEM has a radial dielectric component JUST LIKE A COAX CABLE
and is why magnetism can warp light.
EVERYTHING IN NATURE can be modeled by Euclidean geometry and Platonic methodology......
Quantum is like SCIENTOLOGY :o :o ;Dits a sick cult, a brain virus
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 01:27:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1CjN2I7YeM Ferroelectric experiments
That video says ;;;;
"replace the dielectric material with the FERROELECTRIC MATERIAL.........and by polarizing this material (by means of dielectricity)"
at 6:50
All he REALLY SAID was --- "I replaced a dielectric with a diff. type of DIELECTRIC (the "magnet")" ::) :o ::) :o ::)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 01:41:31 AM
That video says ;;;;
"replace the dielectric material with the FERROELECTRIC MATERIAL.........and by polarizing this material (by means of dielectricity)"
at 6:50
All he REALLY SAID was --- "I replaced a dielectric with a diff. type of DIELECTRIC (the "magnet")" ::) :o ::) :o ::)
ferroelectric is not ferromagnetic.
Gate-controlled nonvolatile graphene-ferroelectric memory (http://graphene.nus.edu.sg/sites/graphene.nus.edu.sg.barbaros/files/pubs/ApplPhysLett_94_163505.pdf)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DR-tTU8uIM (making electrets, and testing with an electrostatic tester, not an magnetic field tester)
There is no magnetic field associated with a ferroelectric, and conversely there is no electric field associated with a ferromagnetic.
BaTiO
3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium_titanate) is in no way magnetic in structure.
There is not one instance of an electric field associated with a magnet, except in your declaration of such.... well and Searl Magnetics... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG16M7JT-f0
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 02:27:40 AM
ferroelectric is not ferromagnetic.
You are forgetting that electricity is Phi x Psi (magnetism and dielectricity).
All polarization is magnetic or transverse Di-electromagnetic,........ is discharge.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 02:27:40 AM
There is no magnetic field associated with a ferroelectric, and conversely there is no electric field associated with a ferromagnetic.
actually, there is magnetism associated with any ferroelectric phase, all electricity is PHI x PSI.
There is no such entity as electricity "without magnetism"
WITHOUT a measurable magnetic FIELD EFFECT yes.........WITHOUT MAGNETISM.......hell no. Actually (AGAIN) there ARE electric fields associated with ferromagnetic .....
ODD YOU MENTION THAT, I was going to demo same tonight using the FERROCELLQuote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 02:27:40 AM
There is not one instance of an electric field associated with a magnet, except in your declaration of such
wrong again, .... what you MEAN TO SAY is there is ELECTRIFICATION off a magnet sitting on a desk
.....even moving the magnet, you can see the electrification points as the dielectric crosses the magnetic<<<<<<<<<<<<
So, Youre 100% dead wrong on that one. ;)Simply MOVING ANY MAGNET in space and time creates electrification, JUST the magnet.Dont you know that the mere movement of a magnet in space and time causes the divergent magnetism to interact with the dielectricity concentrated at the inertial plane??????
:o :o :o
FOUR primary dimensions in electrical engineering. These are:
1) Time
2) Space
3) Dielectricity
4) MagnetismANY FING magnet already has the DIELECTRICITY AND MAGNETISM......
all you have to do it MOVE IT IN SPACE AND TIME.
add a dielectric reflector (coil, duhhhhhhh), and you couple off that MUTUALLY in both.
.....................>>>>>>>However the MERE MAGNET itself produces electrification IN MOVEMENT<<<<<<<<<<......................What did you THINK all those copper coils were COUPLING OFF OF????????????????
Haa!!
SO, thanks for that INTRO TO VIDEO #52 !!!!!!!!!Where is my INSANE LAUGHTER PICTURE AT???
I can show you electrification simply by moving a SINGLE MAGNET in space and time using a Ferrocell :o :o :o
Yes, thats right.............you heard me.
.....YES, you get electrification simply by moving a SINGLE MAGNET in space and time.........OR, as I call it ........."the important shit they DONT TEACH YOU IN SCHOOL".......
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 02:45:25 AM
actually, there is magnetism associated with any ferroelectric phase, all electricity is PHI x PSI.
There is no such entity as electricity "without magnetism"
correct. I made sure I never used the word 'electricity' but rather electric field...
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 03:10:41 AM
correct. I made sure I never used the word 'electricity' but rather electric field...
VIDEO uploading now, all those BLURRED smears where the dielectric meets the magnetic in a MOVING MAGNET is electrification
move any magnet in space and time, and its magnetic interacts with its dielectric
see example of same "blurs" below.
its not "my view", its empirically measurable electricity ....., however obviously, moving a magnet slowly by HAND is not going to POWER anything.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 02:45:25 AM
Quote from: d3x0r
There is no magnetic field associated with a ferroelectric, and conversely there is no electric field associated with a ferromagnetic.
wrong again, .... what you MEAN TO SAY is there is ELECTRIFICATION off a magnet sitting on a desk
No, both are in a static state and there is no electrification.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 02:45:25 AM
.....even moving the magnet, you can see the electrification points as the dielectric crosses the magnetic<<<<<<<<<<<<
So, Youre 100% dead wrong on that one. ;)
Simply MOVING ANY MAGNET in space and time creates electrification, JUST the magnet.
Dont you know that the mere movement of a magnet in space and time causes the divergent magnetism to interact with the dielectricity concentrated at the inertial plane? ??? ??
:o :o :o
No motion involved.... you're changing parameters
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 02:45:25 AM
FOUR primary dimensions in electrical engineering. These are:
1) Time
2) Space
3) Dielectricity
4) Magnetism
ANY FING magnet already has the DIELECTRICITY AND MAGNETISM......
all you have to do it MOVE IT IN SPACE AND TIME.
(yes everything is moving, but magnetic induction in a coil requires relative motion to each other... even though we go around the galaxy some 483,000 miles per hour{a 6 ft wheel needs to turn at 187,312 RPM to go that fast on its circumferance...} doesn't matter if they aren't moving relative to each other ... "and how fast is the Milky Way Galaxy moving? The speed turns out to be an astounding 1.3 million miles per hour" )
moving magnetism in space causes dielectricity; I'll agree... changing dielectric field in time causes magnetism...
I cannot guarantee that you can move in space without moving in time, since a motion is dp/dt which involves automatically 2 quantities
a changing dielectric field does not occur in space, but only in time... longitudinal... and results in a magnetic field in space.
I suppose you'll argue there's anti-space (counter-space) which is where the supposed dielectric charge is discharging to... but what replenishes the charge? something from a 3rd anti-space?
Why can't a magnetostatic field exist without dielectric field?
Why can't a electrostatic field exist without magnetism?
They both can... in a ferromagnetic and in a ferroelectric.... or in a closed inductor of superconducting material, and a open ideal capacitor.
If there is no electron, then there's no reason to think that the super conducting closed loop has a current and hence no dielectric discharge... there is no voltage drop across an inductor.
current might just be an alignment of magnetic moments. crossing a spark across a gap would just be a cavitation of ether at sufficiently high voltage...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyT1dsY0KtA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyT1dsY0KtA) (aka sonolumenscence; because experiementally it's generated with sound in water in this case)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ8iRMGnb1g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ8iRMGnb1g) (longer video; J.Verbelli... vortex, Russell, etc... eventually cavitation)
Esp. since it can happen in a vacuum...
but I digress with only a poorly formed hypothesis (half{or less}-baked).
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 02:45:25 AM
.....................>>>>>>>However the MERE MAGNET itself produces electrification IN MOVEMENT<<<<<<<<<<......................
I can show you electrification simply by moving a SINGLE MAGNET in space and time using a Ferrocell :o :o :o
I'd like to see how you detect that
Actually tesla's work was to get a 0 time change in magnetic and only a motion in space... but just moving a magnetic field in space without time should cause induction; again conversely to changing a dielectric field in time and no space....
there is a voltage drop/raise in an inductor when charging and discharging.. but I was referring only to the static states. Without a solid foundation you can't build a solid anything.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 04:07:55 AM
wrong again, .... what you MEAN TO SAY is there is ELECTRIFICATION off a magnet sitting on a desk
No, both are in a static state and there is no electrification.
Its 100% insane to state that divergent radiation, magnetism is "in a static state".
10,000% padded room INSANITY. ;DQuote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 04:07:55 AM
No motion involved.... you're changing parameters
(yes everything is moving, but magnetic induction in a coil requires relative motion to each other
A: there is already moving magnetism as its nature, AND gyromagnetic precession
B: AND also physical space and time movement OF the magnet.
So, absurd.
You forget that magnetism being Spatial and dielectricity being radial
Magnetism and dielectricity are always, as is their nature, in conjugate relative "motion" due to magnetism having an enormous time differential that the dielectric doesnt have. So , wrong again.
this is how Tesla was able to propagate longitudinal dielectric transmissions at (what was it again?) 3.6X C
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 04:07:55 AM
... even though we go around the galaxy some 483,000 miles per hour{a 6 ft wheel needs to turn at 187,312 RPM to go that fast on its circumferance...} doesn't matter if they aren't moving relative to each other ... "and how fast is the Milky Way Galaxy moving? The speed turns out to be an astounding 1.3 million miles per hour" )
Haaa!!!! Now you need to look into Galactic JETS and see what is going on at the center.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 04:07:55 AM
moving magnetism in space causes dielectricity; I'll agree... changing dielectric field in time causes magnetism...
I cannot guarantee that you can move in space without moving in time, since a motion is dp/dt which involves automatically 2 quantities
a changing dielectric field does not occur in space, but only in time... longitudinal... and results in a magnetic field in space.
There is no such thing as "JUST magnetism". Go show me JUST MAGNETISM autonomously. Doesnt exist. Its a posterior discharge to "X".
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 04:07:55 AM
I suppose you'll argue there's anti-space (counter-space) which is where the supposed dielectric charge is discharging to... but what replenishes the charge? something from a 3rd anti-space?
Dont go down that Quantum BS road.
THE GREEKS KNEW ABOUT counterspace
The Romans KNEW ABOUT counterspace
leonardo da vinci DREW and KNEW ABOUT counterspace
The Egyptians KNEW ABOUT counterspace
Where you think the Ether was? IN space? There is nothing "in space", Space is created by fields.
The one word----- Fields---- is the ONE SINGLE EVIL "F*CK YOU" word that Physics HAS NEVER, and WILL NEVER DEFINEGo scare a Quantum Prick ......ask him like a child
"define the term FIELD for me" ;D ;D
The Ether is a circle whose center is every'where' and whose circumference is NO'where'.
>>>>>>Why can't a electrostatic field exist without magnetism?
Electrostatic fields ARE magnetism ROFL. Longitudinal dielectricity is another matter. Which is why it is SUPERLUMINAL
"Magnetism is the dielectric (electrostatics) field" - Faraday
>>>>>>>>>>>If there is no electron, then there's no reason to think that the super conducting
Youre confusing a CONDUCTOR with an INSULATOR :o
http://journal.borderlands.com/1987/the-fallacy-of-conductors/
My Yttrium-barium-copper-oxide disk IS NOT A SUPERCONDUCTOR, it is a
SUPER-DIAMAGNETIC INSULATOR
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 04:07:55 AM
(yes everything is moving, but magnetic induction in a coil requires relative motion to each other... even though we go around the galaxy some 483,000 miles per hour{a 6 ft wheel needs to turn at 187,312 RPM to go that fast on its circumferance...} doesn't matter if they aren't moving relative to each other ... "and how fast is the Milky Way Galaxy moving? The speed turns out to be an astounding 1.3 million miles per hour" )
Magnetic induction in a wire does not require relative motion. In 1988 Prof Francisco J. Muller completed a series of experiments (http://www.worldsci.org/pdf/abstracts/abstracts_113.pdf), substituting Faraday's rotating disk and magnet by a filamentary circuit, one portion of which is immersed in a magnetic field (inside a gap between ceramic magnets) while the other remains outside the magnetic field. (The field is confined within iron plates). By introducing a capacitive branch he could demonstrate that the induction occurs, indeed, in the wire that moves with the magnet, without need of relative motion. A variation of the experiment in rectilinear fashion makes this anti-relativistic conclusion totally unavoidable, invalidating the recourse to General Relativity. A list of other publications by Muller can be found at the World Science Database (http://www.worldsci.org/php/index.php?tab0=Scientists&tab1=Scientists&tab2=Display&id=260).
For the rotational case in Figure 1 there is a potential difference induced between O and R due to the ABSOLUTE ROTATION of the system, in-spite of the absence of relative motion between the magnet and wire. In Figure 1, all of the velocities are parallel or tangential to the magnetic edges. For the translational case in Figure 2 there is no induction between O and R. In figure 2, the B field is the same, the speeds also are similar, and no relative motion exists as in Figure 1. Why the difference?
In Figure 1, all of the velocities are parallel or tangential to the magnetic edges. In figure 2, most of the velocities have components perpendicular to those edges. As a result, in Figure 2 the edges of the magnet produce magnetic "storms" by motion through space (an absolute effect) which are equivalent to negative (VxB) effects. The latter cancels the positive (VxB) fields thus yielding zero net induction.
Gravock
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 04:31:35 AM
but just moving a magnetic field in space without time should cause induction; again conversely to changing a dielectric field in time and no space....
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Nobody on earth has EVER just "moved a magnetic field" , theyve DISPLACED ONE with reflector and directors.
A "moving magnet" is also moving the dielectric inertial plane.
So, every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
See this pic below, those BRIGHT CROSSING POINTS are electricity, Phi x Psi = Q / Electrification
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 03:59:13 AM
VIDEO uploading now, all those BLURRED smears where the dielectric meets the magnetic in a MOVING MAGNET is electrification
move any magnet in space and time, and its magnetic interacts with its dielectric
see example of same "blurs" below.
its not "my view", its empirically measurable electricity ....., however obviously, moving a magnet slowly by HAND is not going to POWER anything.
That's what you're proposing, now prove it has power. prove that THAT point has power. But again you're moving, and a ferromagnet and ferroelectric can maintain a magnetic field and electric field themeselves without motion. And a ferroelectric has no magnetic field, and a ferromagnet has no electric field. Moving one in time and the other space can join and entangle and form electricity, which may then be fed back to a dielectric storage or inductive storage... and again become magnetic and/or dielectric.
Moving a magnet by hand certainly can power things...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEu1lBYZKXI (ultra short clip, moving magnet, and actually lighting LEDs... I should loop it 10 times or something so it's not just 2 seconds *don't blink* :) )Oh you said slowly... well just need a bigger (Better) coil... that one is actually fairly scramble-wound.
A magnet alone is not electricity. (without a change in space) If you had a moving dielectric intermingled with magnetic, you would have electricity, and a magnet is not electricity.
Just as a capacitor alone is not electricity. (without a change in time)
Mind you a few posts ago I mentioned that the word 'electricity' changed in meaning over time, and what was meant by 'electricity'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_electricity
"The term quantity of electricity was once common in scientific publications. It appears frequently in the writings of Franklin, Faraday, Maxwell, Millikan, and J. J. Thomson, and was even occasionally used by Einstein.However, over the last hundred years the term "electricity" has been used by electric utility companies and the general public in a non-scientific way. Today the vast majority of publications no longer refer to electricity as meaning electric charge. Instead they speak of electricity as electromagnetic energy. The definition has drifted even further, and many authors now use the word "electricity" to mean electric current (amperes), energy flow (watts), electrical potential (volts), or electric force. Others refer to any electrical phenomena as kinds of electricity.
These multiple definitions are probably the reason that Quantity of Electricity has fallen into disfavor among scientists. Physics textbooks no longer define Quantity of Electricity or Flow of Electricity. Quantity of electricity is now regarded as an archaic usage, and it has slowly been replaced by the terms charge of electricity, then quantity of electric charge, and today simply charge. Since the term electricity has increasingly become corrupted by contradictions and unscientific definitions, today's experts instead use the term charge to remove any possible confusion"
I prefer Dollard's terminology from lone pine writings... (included a few posts ago, because when I got it, it was free.)
"For the Electricity extant between a pair of wires in your lamp cord, the
closer the wires, the more capacitance, and thus the more Dielectricity.
Conversely, for the same cord, the farther apart the wires, the more
inductance and thus the more Magnetism. Therefore it is seen that the
smaller the space (the more counterspace) the more Dielectricity that can be
stored, and conversely the larger the space between the wires (the more
real estate) the more Magnetism that can be stored. Very simple, do not let
your mind make it any more complicated than that!
Now let us reach out for a few quantitative relations: The product (line,
cross, or dot – unrestricted) of the total amount of Dielectricity multiplied
by the total amount of Magnetism (when both are in union) gives the total
quantity of Electricity. We will call this quantity of Electricity the letter "Q"
and name this "The Planck" after Max Planck."
-----
Reviewing LPW a little more; Dollard does not go as far to say there are variants in space without variant in time... so every term involves time.
Dielectricity operates in time... and because a wire itself has dielectric character, it is inescapable to have time... but pure induction should require no time... Quantum entanglement for instance.
"SPECIAL NOTE: These various groupings of coefficients exist in distinct,
independent, time frames. The dissipation coefficients are the result of
random molecular variations, that is, noise. The consumption coefficients
are harmonic in nature, relating to the operating frequencies, likewise for
the production coefficients. The random and the harmonic time functions
are NOT ADDITIVE. In general, the combinations of these coefficients
appear as versor sums. More on this later."
which is how he ends up avoid square-seconds... because he defines time multiplication as addition, which leaves seconds as seconds.... rather than recognizing he's got an extra term of seconds.... Hmmm
It is logically hard to conceive of a motion without time since so few things teleport and cover space without time.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:07:12 AM
See this pic below, those BRIGHT CROSSING POINTS are electricity, Phi x Psi = Q / Electrification
Those bright crossing points is where the edges of the magnet induce magnetic "storms" by motion through space while they disconnect/reconnect where they touch with the vortex of the magnet.
Reference: How to tie a knot in a bubble ring (https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/how-to-tie-a-knot-in-a-bubble-ring-2f92bda2e5fd). The video found on the reference link is awsum!
Gravock
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 05:39:37 AM
But again you're moving, and a ferromagnet and ferroelectric can maintain a magnetic field and electric field themeselves without motion. And a ferroelectric has no magnetic field, and a ferromagnet has no electric field. Moving one in time and the other space can join and entangle and form electricity, which may then be fed back to a dielectric storage or inductive storage... and again become magnetic and/or dielectric.
Yes, IM MOVING THE MAGNET, I said that last page.
FOUR primary dimensions in electrical engineering. These are:
1) Time
2) Space
3) Dielectricity
4) MagnetismYOU SAID:
magnetic field and electric field themeselves without motion.No such BS in this cosmos as "Static magnetism" :o :o EVERYTHING you can see with your eyes (and cannot) is MOVING. Go show me a static ATOM. ROFL !!!
That IS some PURE GRADE insanity
You said:
Moving one in time and the other space can join and entangle and form electricity
I said that last page dammit, moving a magnet a SINGLE MAGNET produces electricity, just because NOTHING IS COUPLING OFF that very meager electricity doesnt mean it isnt there
ABSURD
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 05:39:37 AM
A magnet alone is not electricity. (without a change in space) If you had a moving dielectric intermingled with magnetic, you would have electricity, and a magnet is not electricity.
Just as a capacitor alone is not electricity. (without a change in time)
HINT:::::::::::::: A "magnet" is NOT A MAGNET(ISM)............. A magnet is powered by Dielectricity, ....
magnetism is the SHIT, the radiation, dielectricity is the 'HORSE' running the show. ;D ;D ;D
Thats right, the entire visible (and most of the micro-invisible atomic) universe is the defecation of a DISCHARGE, or a continuing discharge. Empirical beings are living in a mirage world created by discharges, the fecal matter of dielectricity.
;D
All you have to do is MOVE a magnet in space and time, dielectricity and magnetism are already present in and of the "magnet".
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 05:39:37 AM
"The term quantity of electricity was once common in scientific publications. It appears frequently in the writings of Franklin, Faraday, Maxwell, Millikan, and J. J. Thomson, and was even occasionally used by Einstein.However, over the last hundred years the term "electricity" has been used by electric utility companies and the general public in a non-scientific way. Today the vast majority of publications no longer refer to electricity as meaning electric charge. Instead they speak of electricity as electromagnetic energy. The definition has drifted even further, and many authors now use the word "electricity" to mean electric current (amperes), energy flow (watts), electrical potential (volts), or electric force. Others refer to any electrical phenomena as kinds of electricity.
These multiple definitions are probably the reason that Quantity of Electricity has fallen into disfavor among scientists. Physics textbooks no longer define Quantity of Electricity or Flow of Electricity. Quantity of electricity is now regarded as an archaic usage, and it has slowly been replaced by the terms charge of electricity, then quantity of electric charge, and today simply charge. Since the term electricity has increasingly become corrupted by contradictions and unscientific definitions, today's experts instead use the term charge to remove any possible confusion"
Connotation is not DENOTATION. Ignorant humans fuck up everything ever discovered. (not meaning you).
Suck-O-pedia is no reference for anything though.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 05:39:37 AM
I prefer Dollard's terminology from lone pine writings... (included a few posts ago, because when I got it, it was free.)
"For the Electricity extant between a pair of wires in your lamp cord, the
closer the wires, the more capacitance, and thus the more Dielectricity.
Conversely, for the same cord, the farther apart the wires, the more
inductance and thus the more Magnetism. Therefore it is seen that the
smaller the space (the more counterspace) the more Dielectricity that can be
stored, and conversely the larger the space between the wires (the more
real estate) the more Magnetism that can be stored. Very simple, do not let
your mind make it any more complicated than that!
Yes, and? Agreed.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 05:39:37 AM
Reviewing LPW a little more; Dollard does not go as far to say there are variants in space without variant in time... so every term involves time.
Dielectricity operates in time... and because a wire itself has dielectric character, it is inescapable to have time... but pure induction should require no time... Quantum entanglement for instance.
No, dielectricity OPERATES at the rate allowed by INDUCTION of a given field, which translates INTO time. Whooooooooops ;D
Sorry,
Quantum is a dirty WH0RE with AIDS, I dont touch that filthy shit. Everything nature can be explained by Euclidean geometry and Platonic logic.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 05:39:37 AM
It is logically hard to conceive of a motion without time since so few things teleport and cover space without time.
Induction by longitudinal dielectrics "UNDER" spacetime, yes.
not hard at all, its both rational and exists. YES
Space and time dont exist, their the SHIT / BYPRODUCT of polarized fields.
Empirical existence is defined by space and time, that doesnt make them REAL, theyre a mirage.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2014, 05:48:12 AM
Those bright crossing points is where the edges of the magnet induce magnetic "storms" by motion through space while they disconnect/reconnect where they touch with the vortex of the magnet.
Reference: How to tie a knot in a bubble ring (https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/how-to-tie-a-knot-in-a-bubble-ring-2f92bda2e5fd). The video found on the reference link is awsum!
Gravock
Yeahhh, no. You mean this paper: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.3321v1.pdf
"storms" eh? :o
What seemingly everyone doesnt get is that moving a magnet in space and time causes magnetic dielectric intersection due to the conjugate nature of magnetism and dielectricity.
See paper Coulomb fields, Measuring Propagation Speed of Coulomb Fields
Also see paper-----Proof of Latency of Coulomb FieldsLIKE everyone, you dont "GET" that moving a PHYSICAL MAGNET is one thing
moving its MAGNETIC and DIELECTRIC FIELDS has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LATENCY<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
hence electrification.
multiphase generator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz_yZ3tMiLY&index=2&list=UUjmdCG5tPtmiODDt4IO-svA
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 05:39:37 AM
It is logically hard to conceive of a motion without time since so few things teleport and cover space without time.
Space and Time is an illusion. Time should play the part instead of meters or distance. We should look upon Time as the result of the force that impels a body through space. The greater the force, the shorter the time, and the shorter also the space to be traversed. Thus, if the force were infinitely great, time and space would be infinitely small, they would cease to exist. If the force was infinitely small, time and space would be infinitely great.
Gravock
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 06:11:41 AM
Yeahhh, no. You mean this paper: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.3321v1.pdf (http://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.3321v1.pdf)
"storms" eh? :o
What seemingly everyone doesnt get is that moving a magnet in space and time causes magnetic dielectric intersection due to the conjugate nature of magnetism and dielectricity.
See paper Coulomb fields, Measuring Propagation Speed of Coulomb Fields
Also see paper-----Proof of Latency of Coulomb Fields
LIKE everyone, you dont "GET" that moving a PHYSICAL MAGNET is one thing
moving its MAGNETIC and DIELECTRIC FIELDS has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LATENCY<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
hence electrification.
multiphase generator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz_yZ3tMiLY&index=2&list=UUjmdCG5tPtmiODDt4IO-svA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz_yZ3tMiLY&index=2&list=UUjmdCG5tPtmiODDt4IO-svA)
The edges of the magnet produce magnetic "storms" by motion through space (an absolute effect) which are equivalent to negative (VxB) effects. The magnetic "storms" are vortices, and we saw similar "storms" or tornadoes in the magnetic vortex videos with the hydrogen bubbles, so I don't know why you are shocked by the usage of the word "storms". I confirmed what you said, but I used the language of the research paper instead of the language which is more acceptable to you. You are your own worst enemy!
Gravock
Yes; moving the magnet does not move the magnetic field (at least rotationally)
http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm (demonstration of homopolar generators, one moving the plate and not the magnet, one moving the magnet and not the plate and one moving both) So gyro anything doesn't help. Otherwise you could just set a magnet on a conductive surface and have a current induced. Doesn't happen.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:00:43 AM
A: there is already moving magnetism as its nature, AND gyromagnetic precession
B: AND also physical space and time movement OF the magnet.
A) Yes there's lots of motion all the time... but it has to have relative motion to induce electricity...
B) you can't prove that time is required.... in fact there's an example called quantum entanglement that says time is not required. (even if you disagree with anything with the attribute quantum, the resulting effect is still present, describe it in your lingo)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:00:43 AM
You forget that magnetism being Spatial and dielectricity being radial
Magnetism and dielectricity are always, as is their nature, in conjugate relative "motion" due to magnetism having an enormous time differential that the dielectric doesnt have. So , wrong again.
this is how Tesla was able to propagate longitudinal dielectric transmissions at (what was it again?) 3.6X C
dielectricity isn't radial, it's temporal.
re tesla: Because dielectric happens in time and the space is irrelevant.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:00:43 AM
Haaa!!!! Now you need to look into Galactic JETS and see what is going on at the center.
how does that have anything to do with our relative motion... was a statement to agree, yes everything is moving, all the time. (you already said you didn't like the primer field guy, so I'm not bringing that up...)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:00:43 AM
There is no such thing as "JUST magnetism". Go show me JUST MAGNETISM autonomously. Doesnt exist. Its a posterior discharge to "X".
You have tons sitting around you. But you already have your explanation... so I can't show anything, any more than you can show my that there's electricity from a magnet alone.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:00:43 AM
Dont go down that Quantum BS road.
so the discharge is into counterspace and charge from same counterspace? That's an open circuit... a single conductor with unclosed ends.... ahh but you think there's two distinct interfaces (conduction paths) so that makes it all ok. Then again you don't need phi. EVERYTHING is in terms of Psi. So why do you keep regurgitating that obviously obsolete paradigm? IF magnetic induction is just a function of dielectric induction, then there's only f(dielectric induction
counterspacial) * dielectric induction
spacial? = plank. Except dielectric induction isn't spacial... so it can't be counterspacial either.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:07:12 AM
Nobody on earth has EVER just "moved a magnetic field" , theyve DISPLACED ONE with reflector and directors.
Other than the people in videos dragging magnets with other magnets.... obviously they're moving a magnetic field.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2014, 06:32:31 AM
The edges of the magnet produce magnetic "storms" by motion through space (an absolute effect) which are equivalent to negative (VxB) effects. The "storms" are vortices, and we saw these "storms" in the magnetic vortex videos with the hydrogen bubbles, so I don't know why you are shocked by the usage of the word "storms". I confirmed what you said, but I used the language of the research paper instead of the language which is more acceptable to you. You are your own worst enemy!
Gravock
Nope. I proved the formula AND method for these few weeks ago and posted BOTH the video and formula.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHDsnO3y7CA
Below: Mathematical proof that centripetal contracting fields "draw out" convergent spheres of a vortex-toroid, and centrifugal fields "draw out" expanding divergent vortex-toroid spheres. This golden section ratio of divergence and convergence is convergent centripetal fields = centripetal radius of 1; and centrifugal divergent fields are a radius of centripetal-1-value times (Phi+Phi [3.23606]). Or: (C1radius x 3.23606 = C2 radius) which all together = Phi cubed (C1r+Phi+Phi = 4.23606). Phi in the circle = golden angle of 137.5077 degrees. 1 in the circle = C1 radius which is 85 degrees.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 06:40:55 AM
Other than the people in videos dragging magnets with other magnets.... obviously they're moving a magnetic field.
You keep forgetting what is "shitting out" magnetism............dieletricity. :o
I said "
JUST A magnetic field"
Like saying you only "moved Sally, ....but not Sally's body" ;D
every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2014, 05:04:21 AM
Magnetic induction in a wire does not require relative motion. In 1988 Prof Francisco J. Muller completed a series of experiments (http://www.worldsci.org/pdf/abstracts/abstracts_113.pdf), substituting Faraday's rotating disk and magnet by a filamentary circuit, one portion of which is immersed in a magnetic field (inside a gap between ceramic magnets) while the other remains outside the magnetic field. (The field is confined within iron plates). By introducing a capacitive branch he could demonstrate that the induction occurs, indeed, in the wire that moves with the magnet, without need of relative motion. A variation of the experiment in rectilinear fashion makes this anti-relativistic conclusion totally unavoidable, invalidating the recourse to General Relativity. A list of other publications by Muller can be found at the World Science Database (http://www.worldsci.org/php/index.php?tab0=Scientists&tab1=Scientists&tab2=Display&id=260).
For the rotational case in Figure 1 there is a potential difference induced between O and R due to the ABSOLUTE ROTATION of the system, in-spite of the absence of relative motion between the magnet and wire. In Figure 1, all of the velocities are parallel or tangential to the magnetic edges. For the translational case in Figure 2 there is no induction between O and R. In figure 2, the B field is the same, the speeds also are similar, and no relative motion exists as in Figure 1. Why the difference?
In Figure 1, all of the velocities are parallel or tangential to the magnetic edges. In figure 2, most of the velocities have components perpendicular to those edges. As a result, in Figure 2 the edges of the magnet produce magnetic "storms" by motion through space (an absolute effect) which are equivalent to negative (VxB) effects. The latter cancels the positive (VxB) fields thus yielding zero net induction.
Gravock
And demonstrated on http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm
Rotation is a relative motion. It's not linear... but it is a change in space over time of various points of the disk.
Are there relative motions that do not cause induction? Certainly. Are there any non-relative motions that cause induction? No.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 06:46:40 AM
And demonstrated on http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm
Rotation is a relative motion. It's not linear... but it is a change in space over time of various points of the disk.
Are there relative motions that do not cause induction? Certainly. Are there any non-relative motions that cause induction? No.
Physical motion is not = FIELD MOTION in direction proportionality.
Fields dont "see" physicality, or space, or time. Induction OVER time, doesnt mean its time and space is inversely affecting all forms of fields already existent.
Causality in EMF is not what people think it is.
ala Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko's long and detailed works. And all HE did was actually READ Maxwell and Faraday.
Causality, Electromagnetic Induction, and Gravitation: A Different Approach to the Theory of Electromagnetic and Gravitational Fields
http://www.amazon.com/Causality-Electromagnetic-Induction-Gravitation-Gravitational/dp/0917406230/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407495233&sr=8-1&keywords=oleg+d.+jefimenko
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 06:39:51 AM
Yes; moving the magnet does not move the magnetic field (at least rotationally)
http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm (http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm) (demonstration of homopolar generators, one moving the plate and not the magnet, one moving the magnet and not the plate and one moving both) So gyro anything doesn't help. Otherwise you could just set a magnet on a conductive surface and have a current induced. Doesn't happen.
The phase shift (see image or reference link below) cannot be explained if the magnetic field is considered to be immobile, but is readily explained by the rotation of the magnetic field with the magnet. The magnetic field moves with it's source! A current isn't induced by simply setting a magnet on a conductive surface because the field will cut the conductive surface twice in opposite directions.
The electrometer mentioned in the article is a way to perform truly "single piece" voltage measurements without having to close the loop, which raises the endless question as to where the voltage is truly generated. The open probe circuit (http://www.amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html) is easily constructed and has a sensitivity of detecting 1 volt, which is ridiculously high. Credit goes to broli for bringing this open probe circuit to our attention.
1.) Zajev-Dokuchajev (Z-D) effect (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CEUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpiers.org%2Fpiersproceedings%2Fdownload.php%3Ffile%3DcGllcnMyMDEyTW9zY293fDNBOF8xMDQwLnBkZnwxMjAzMDExMzI4NTM%3D&ei=DTt_UdumDKiFywG4p4HIDA&usg=AFQjCNHtE5r2kVi1AN2ut8u0r0wui88vZw&sig2=NFBd1JvdzTLvvJ55TvWZLw&bvm=bv.45645796,d.b2I): the moving of the magnetic field with the rotating magnet.
Gravock
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:55:01 AM
Go show me a static ATOM. ROFL !!!
Show me an atom.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:55:01 AM
I said that last page dammit, moving a magnet a SINGLE MAGNET produces electricity, just because NOTHING IS COUPLING OFF that very meager electricity doesnt mean it isnt there
ABSURD
that's what you say, but you have no proof.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:55:01 AM
HINT:::::::::::::: A "magnet" is NOT A MAGNET(ISM)............. A magnet is powered by Dielectricity, ....magnetism is the SHIT, the radiation, dielectricity is the 'HORSE' running the show. ;D ;D ;D
ya, I get that you think that. but then you go on to say that a primary force is magnetism... wish you'd make up your mind whether it exists alone or not. If not, then phi*psi is rubbish.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:55:01 AM
Suck-O-pedia is no reference for anything though.
The etymology of electricity can be found in numerous other sites and they all say the same thing. And yes, I do often check other places and end up going back to pick up the wikipedia link because it's often better phrased coming from several cooks in the kitchen.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:55:01 AM
Quote
... dollard's terminology...
Yes, and? Agreed.
Well at least that's one point to agree on.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:55:01 AM
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quantum entanglement
Sorry, Quantum is a dirty WH0RE with AIDS, I dont touch that filthy shit. Everything nature can be explained by Euclidean geometry and Platonic logic.
*shrug* then what description would you call it? spooky action at a distance? Nothing in your theory has yet described or named that effect. Just because you don't like a word, doesn't mean the resulting effect doesn't actually happen.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 06:46:40 AM
Are there any non-relative motions that cause induction? No.
What the fuck is wrong with you? I have already provided you with a reference paper and an experiment that shows non-relative motion can cause induction.
Gravock
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 06:58:35 AM
Quote from: d3x0r on Today at 12:39:51 PM
Yes; moving the magnet does not move the magnetic field (at least rotationally)
http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm (demonstration of homopolar generators, one moving the plate and not the magnet, one moving the magnet and not the plate and one moving both) So gyro anything doesn't help. Otherwise you could just set a magnet on a conductive surface and have a current induced. Doesn't happen
A NON induced current of a magnet sitting on a so-called conductor does not mean there isnt an equalized current present in the stationary PHYSICAL magnet. Magnetism is never stationary.
What is "sitting there" and what the hell IS RUNNING ROUND IT (fields) is sure as HELL NOT "just sitting there/ static"
2 wholly diff. things.
Space and time addition for current EMF with a moving magnetic field with latency TO (conjugate production of electrification) the dielectric is necessary for electrification.
Faraday was the originator of the concept of the magnetic field, (which is described in terms of "magnetic curves" our present day "magnetic lines of force") however HE NEVER SO MUCH AS SUGGESTED in his works that induced currents were a resultant of changing magnetic fields. ON THE CONTRARY, he clearly associated the phenomena of electromagnetic induction with changing electrical currents.
As per Maxwell, he TOO considered EM induction as a phenomena in which a current (or EM force) is induced in a circuit. but not as a phenomena in which a changing magnetic field causes an electrical field. He CLEARLY said that the induced EM force is "MEASURED BY, not CAUSED BY the changing mag field"
Just as Faraday, he made NO allusion to ANY CAUSAL link between magnetic and electric fields
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 06:44:54 AM
You keep forgetting what is "shitting out" magnetism............dieletricity. :o
I said " JUST A magnetic field"
Like saying you only "moved Sally, ....but not Sally's body" ;D
Exactly... even if the magnet is just an embodiment of dielectric discharge, moving the dielectric discharge is dragging along the magnetic field. Therefore...... moving a magnetic field.
'wherever she goes I will follow' (I swear that's a song, but I can't find it)
But in fact what was being said, was the creation of a magnetic field in a coil is a field moving in space, to go back to faradays description 'creates a wave of magnetism'... again inseparable from the dielectric propagation in reality, but not in theory (well except your theory).
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 06:59:29 AM
but then you go on to say that a primary force is magnetism
I said Dielectricity (charge) and magnetism (discharge) are BOTH PRIMARY,.......so you misquoted me.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 06:59:29 AM
The etymology of electricity can be found in numerous other sites and they all say the same thing. And yes, I do often check other places and end up going back to pick up the wikipedia link because it's often better phrased coming from several cooks in the kitchen.
Yes, and? Agreed.
No.
The supreme irony is that the notion of "electromagnetism" exists at all, which definitionally cannot exist, since electricity is the product of electrostatics and magnetism, as meant dielectricity and magnetism (Φ x Ψ = Q, or electrification). To say "electromagnetism" is like saying, "charging-discharge", or "pregnant baby"; it is insanity. The very term 'electromagnetism' is a compound of two Greek terms, ἢλεκτρον, electron (amber, which creates, easily, electrostatics charges), and the term μαγνήτης, 'magnetic', from (μαγνήτης λίθος), which means "magnesian stone", the "magic attractive stone" with natural macro-magnetic phenomena. Electricity is a hybrid Ether-modality of Φ x Ψ. Magnetism is the radiative discharge of dielectricity, or electrification in discharge at which time it terminates AS magnetism in losing its dielectric component. Pliny states that: 'in Syria the women make the whorls of their spindles of this substance, and give it the name of harpax (from ἁρπάζω, "resonate, attract", same as the word for harp musical instrument) from the circumstance that it attracts leaves towards it, chaff, and the light fringes of tissues.' As such we have today the term electromagnetism which is from the terms dielectricity + magnetism, which is what electricity is. However we wrongly understand and fail to differentiate magnetism, from dielectricity, and electricity. These three are wholly separate Ether modalities and electricity is a hybrid of both magnetism and dielectricity in a circuit working together to create electricity
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 06:59:29 AM
Sorry, Quantum is a dirty WH0RE with AIDS, I dont touch that filthy shit. Everything nature can be explained by Euclidean geometry and Platonic logic.
*shrug* then what description would you call it? spooky action at a distance? Nothing in your theory has yet described or named that effect. Just because you don't like a word, doesn't mean the resulting effect doesn't actually happen.
Its only SPOOKY to Quantum Cultists because they KNOW damn well FIELDS do not = PARTICLES
That 1200 pound GORILLA sitting on the SKULLS of Quantum BULLSHIT is this one word........ >>>>>>>>> FIELD <<<<<<<<
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 07:10:43 AM
But in fact what was being said, was the creation of a magnetic field in a coil is a field moving in space, to go back to faradays description 'creates a wave of magnetism'... again inseparable from the dielectric propagation in reality, but not in theory (well except your theory).
I said no such thing, longitudinal dielectrics are another beast. I refer merely to MAGNETISM and magnets.
You said-------- was the creation of a magnetic field in a coil is a field moving in spaceYeah, because it has transverse components, or circulatory magnetism resultantly.
all electricity is a hybrid of magnetism and dielectricity. ANYTHING with Magnetism IN or, or PART of it is "Moving IN space" (of another field) or also "creating space".
Electricity doesnt terminates "INTO magnetism" but "AS magnetism". .........That is HUGELY important.
Electricity loses its dielectric component by discharge.
"electromagnetism" as a very term is a fallacy. Like saying a "charging discharge"
Light, and TEM are not electromagnetic, they have a Z-axis radial dielectric component like a COAX cable.
electricity only exists at the crossing of dielectricity and magnetism. Maybe dielectro-magnetic propagation (= electrification). ;D
The line of force can be more clearly understood by representing it as a tube of force or a long thin cylinder. Maxwell presented the idea that the tension of a tube of force is representative of
electric force (volts/inch), and in addition to this tension, there is a medium through which these tubes pass. There exists a hydrostatic pressure against this media or ether. The value of this pressure
is one half the product of dielectric and magnetic density. Then there is a pressure at right angles to an electric tube of force. If through the growth of a field the tubes of force spread sideways or in
width, the broadside drag through the medium represents the magnetic reaction to growth in intensity of an electric current. However, if a tube of force is caused to move endwise, it will glide through the medium with little or no drag as little surface is offered. This possibly explains why no magnetic field is associated with certain experiments performed by Tesla involving the movement of energy with no accompanying magnetic field.
What IF , perchance, the universe and its Ether modalities were divinely SIMPLEX, but 200 years of Quantum BS, Relativists and other KOOKS have been shitting on it for so long it only LOOKS "extremely complex"
WHAT IF :o ;D
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2014, 06:58:35 AM
The phase shift (see image or reference link below) cannot be explained if the magnetic field is considered to be immobile, but is readily explained by the rotation of the magnetic field with the magnet. The magnetic field moves with it's source! A current isn't induced by simply setting a magnet on a conductive surface because the field will cut the conductive surface twice in opposite directions.
The electrometer mentioned in the article is a way to perform truly "single piece" voltage measurements without having to close the loop, which raises the endless question as to where the voltage is truly generated. The open probe circuit (http://www.amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html) is easily constructed and has a sensitivity of detecting 1 volt, which is ridiculously high. Credit goes to broli for bringing this open probe circuit to our attention.
1.) Zajev-Dokuchajev (Z-D) effect (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CEUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpiers.org%2Fpiersproceedings%2Fdownload.php%3Ffile%3DcGllcnMyMDEyTW9zY293fDNBOF8xMDQwLnBkZnwxMjAzMDExMzI4NTM%3D&ei=DTt_UdumDKiFywG4p4HIDA&usg=AFQjCNHtE5r2kVi1AN2ut8u0r0wui88vZw&sig2=NFBd1JvdzTLvvJ55TvWZLw&bvm=bv.45645796,d.b2I): the moving of the magnetic field with the rotating magnet.
Gravock
again, you're just further reinforcing that there's a relative motion that causes the induction... "as the magnet rotates" (quoted from the paper presented)...
"The magnetic circuit used comprised a permanent ring magnet and a soft iron
yoke rotating
together" the field doesn't move, the iron does.
In the other case, of a static loop, they're moving the magnet through its poles through the magnet and it induces a charge... just like those shake-charge flashlights.
The last animation on http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm#puzzles (http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm#puzzles) (lower right side) the magnet rotates, the conductor does not, and there is no voltage generated.
The lower left one, the conductor is moved (in faraday generator style) and the magnet is not, and it does generate a voltage. The first clip in Homopolar generator section (http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm#generators) both the conductive plate and the magnet turn together, and a voltage is induced...
So we can conclude that even though the magnet rotates the magnetic field does not move.... but of course if you attach the conductive surface to the magnet and spin both, since the field isn't actually moving, the plate is moving relative to the field.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2014, 07:01:22 AM
What the fuck is wrong with you? I have already provided you with a reference paper and an experiment that shows non-relative motion can cause induction.
Gravock
ANd I linked you visual evidence that it doesn't nessicarily. I read the paper you linked to understand what it was they did. They did homopolar generator video #1. They didn't do #3.
(or maybe I needed time to compose thoughts to theo, and you double replied)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 07:14:30 AM
Quote from: d3x0r
Quantum entanglement
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis
Quantum is a dirty WH0RE with AIDS, I dont touch that filthy shit. Everything nature can be explained by Euclidean geometry and Platonic logic.
Quote from: d3x0r
*shrug* then what description would you call it? Spopky action at a distance? Nothing in your theory has yet described or named that effect. Just because you don't like a word, doesn't mean the resulting effect doesn't actually happen.
Its only SPOOKY to Quantum Cultists because they KNOW damn well FIELDS do not = PARTICLES
That 1200 pound GORILLA sitting on the SKULLS of Quantum BULLSHIT is this one word........ >>>>>>>>> FIELD <<<<<<<<
*shrug* then what description would you call it? Nothing in your theory has yet described or named that effect. Just because you don't like a word, doesn't mean the resulting effect doesn't actually
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 07:34:07 AM
again, you're just further reinforcing that there's a relative motion that causes the induction... "as the magnet rotates" ...
"The magnetic circuit used comprised a permanent ring magnet and a soft iron
yoke rotating together" the field doesn't move, the iron does.
In the other case, of a static loop, they're moving the magnet through its poles through the magnet and it induces a charge... just like those shake-charge flashlights.
The last animation on http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm#puzzles (http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm#puzzles) (lower right side) the magnet rotates, the conductor does not, and there is no voltage generated.
The lower left one, the conductor is moved (in faraday generator style) and the magnet is not, and it does generate a voltage. The first clip in Homopolar generator section (http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/homopolar.htm#generators) both the conductive plate and the magnet turn together, and a voltage is induced...
So we can conclude that even though the magnet rotates the magnetic field does not move.... but of course if you attach the conductive surface to the magnet and spin both, since the field isn't actually moving, the plate is moving relative to the field.
There's no voltage generated with the magnet rotating while both the conductive disc and external circuit remains stationary because the field cuts the circuit twice in opposite directions, which cancels the voltage. You're making a gross newbie mistake when it comes to HPM.
Gravock
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 07:40:43 AM
*shrug* then what description would you call it? Nothing in your theory has yet described or named that effect. Just because you don't like a word, doesn't mean the resulting effect doesn't actually
No such BULLSHIT exists, same as "wave particle duality" BS.
I explained that away here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKZOl_dRlQ
2 part video
they formulated the EPR paradox, its only a "Paradox" to their PEA BRAINS, because they deny ANYTHING that isnt mediated by their mystical UNICORN particles.
Quantum entanglement doesnt exist. Its a Fing fallacy like the "discharge particle" and the PHOTON.
Dont you even KNOW how this SHIT is created???????
1. observe phenomena
2. verify the phenomena with others
3. NAME itdescriptions aren't explanations.
same as "Bloch wall". Well, these mental midget assholes have been CALLING something a NAME, clueless what it is, what it does, and HOW it works.
Descriptions are the realm of children.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2014, 07:49:22 AM
There's no voltage generated with the magnet rotating while both the conductive disc and external circuit remains stationary because the field cuts the circuit in opposite directions, which cancels the voltage. You're making a gross newbie mistake when it comes to HPM.
Gravock
Its also the same as fluid dynamics.
Sitting in a tub displaces water,
there IS a current,>>>>>> but its equalized.mere displacement , no voltage, but there is EMF present.
Electrification is 2 brats in the tub splashing the shit out of the water (conductive coil) :o ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2014, 07:49:22 AM
There's no voltage generated with the magnet rotating while both the conductive disc and external circuit remains stationary because the field cuts the circuit twice in opposite directions, which cancels the voltage. You're making a gross newbie mistake when it comes to HPM.
Gravock
It cuts it the same number of times in all cases.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 07:59:51 AM
It cuts it the same number of times in all cases.
no it doesnt
every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradientsEvery 360 rotation is 10 slaps to face of the so-called "conductor" :o ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 07:59:51 AM
It cuts it the same number of times in all cases.
No, it does not cut it the same number of times in all cases. I will provide references for this later.
Gravock
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 08:01:39 AM
no it doesnt
every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
Then please illustrate how rotating one, the other, or both changes the cuts of flux with the conductive plate
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2014, 08:08:20 AM
No, it does not cut it the same number of times in all cases. I will provide references for this later.
Gravock
Look at table 3 in the below image taken from a publication titled, "Challenging Modern Physics (http://books.google.com/books?id=XVLmihZnsvUC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false)", in chapter 9 on page 194. The field in case a, b, i, and j cuts the circuit twice. I think Oliver Crane wasn't too far off in saying, "all experimenters so far have been deceived by the Monstein-Effect".
Gravock
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 06:46:40 AM
Rotation is a relative motion. It's not linear... but it is a change in space over time of various points of the disk.
Don't confuse relative motion with absolute motion. A sting in the tail is as follows. In mechanics, all states of uniform motion (including that of rest) are equivalent. For any one body, it is equally true to say it is at rest or moving at any uniform velocity we choose to assume. This indifference is expressed in Newton's first law of motion. However, in electromagnetism, it is quite another story. An electric charge at rest is said to be surrounded by only an electric field, but an electric charge in motion is equivalent to an electric current and is surrounded by a magnetic field.
From this, the motion in electromagnetism is not merely relative but absolute. Einstein's theory was aimed at reconciling these two systems of kinematics and electromagnetism. Assis et al. (1999) show that there is another complication in which there is an electric field outside a stationary conductor carrying a constant current. This causes a problem for relativity theory because, as they say, "As regards those who consider magnets as a relativistic effect, we have shown that a resistive current carrying wire generates not only an electric field but also a magnetic field."
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2014, 09:22:20 AM
Don't confuse relative motion with absolute motion. A sting in the tail is as follows. In mechanics, all states of uniform motion (including that of rest) are equivalent. For any one body, it is equally true to say it is at rest or moving at any uniform velocity we choose to assume. This indifference is expressed in Newton's first law of motion. However, in electromagnetism, it is quite another story. An electric charge at rest is said to be surrounded by only an electric field, but an electric charge in motion is equivalent to an electric current and is surrounded by a magnetic field.
From this, the motion in electromagnetism is not merely relative but absolute. Einstein's theory was aimed at reconciling these two systems of kinematics and electromagnetism. Assis et al. (1999) show that there is another complication in which there is an electric field outside a stationary conductor carrying a constant current. This causes a problem for relativity theory because, as they say, "As regards those who consider magnets as a relativistic effect, we have shown that a resistive current carrying wire generates not only an electric field but also a magnetic field."
Gravock
I have no confusion between the two.
The table from the book you quoted... well, he died the year it was published.
The source would seem reasonably trustworthy, except in case D and F are wrong.
Bruce deplama's N machine was permanent magnets sandwiched on a conductive plate and the whole thing turning. This generated a voltage in configuration F both together with no relative motion between plate and magnet. Also the experiment you originally submitted had both the conductor and magnet rotating together also declaring F wrong.
http://amasci.com/freenrg/n-mach.html - is also wrong, but he declares "Note that these are all UNTRIED THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS"
90.4995% are a stationary magnet and moving disc. (E correct)
9.4995% are both moving disk and moving magnet; so as to disprove relativity... because there is no apparent relative motion between the two... but time and again this has generated a voltage. Faraday himself did this one to show there was a voltage. (F wrong)
the other 0.001% moving the magnet and not moving the disc generates 0 current... as demonstrated experimentally by only that phsyclips single source. (D shown as wrong) Unfortunately it's hard to search for "rotation of magnet and not rotation of disc".
But really that's no surprise... and simplifies things, to say that rotation along the axis of a homogenous magnetic has no effect on its field. Since also a coil rotating would see no difference bewtween that motion and the supposed current already running through the coil. A more difficult experiment to take a helmholz coil with a conditive plate mounted rigidly with the coil, and rotate the helmholz counter to its current at even 25% the speed of light :) i would expect that event at 100% the speed of light the conductive plate would still have a voltage across it.
Actually rotating either with or against the current... other than the polarity of polarity of generated voltage would be reversed, the quantity would still be the same as whatever speed disc rotating itself within such a field. But that's just a thought... something along the lines of disproving current flow in a wire.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 01:48:10 PM
I have no confusion between the two.
The table from the book you quoted... well, he died the year it was published.
The source would seem reasonably trustworthy, except in case D and F are wrong.
Bruce deplama's N machine was permanent magnets sandwiched on a conductive plate and the whole thing turning. This generated a voltage in configuration F both together with no relative motion between plate and magnet. Also the experiment you originally submitted had both the conductor and magnet rotating together also declaring F wrong.
http://amasci.com/freenrg/n-mach.html (http://amasci.com/freenrg/n-mach.html) - is also wrong, but he declares "Note that these are all UNTRIED THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS"
90.4995% are a stationary magnet and moving disc. (E correct)
9.4995% are both moving disk and moving magnet; so as to disprove relativity... because there is no apparent relative motion between the two... but time and again this has generated a voltage. Faraday himself did this one to show there was a voltage. (F wrong)
the other 0.001% moving the magnet and not moving the disc generates 0 current... as demonstrated experimentally by only that phsyclips single source. (D shown as wrong) Unfortunately it's hard to search for "rotation of magnet and not rotation of disc".
But really that's no surprise... and simplifies things, to say that rotation along the axis of a homogenous magnetic has no effect on its field. Since also a coil rotating would see no difference bewtween that motion and the supposed current already running through the coil. A more difficult experiment to take a helmholz coil with a conditive plate mounted rigidly with the coil, and rotate the helmholz counter to its current at even 25% the speed of light :) i would expect that event at 100% the speed of light the conductive plate would still have a voltage across it.
Actually rotating either with or against the current... other than the polarity of polarity of generated voltage would be reversed, the quantity would still be the same as whatever speed disc rotating itself within such a field. But that's just a thought... something along the lines of disproving current flow in a wire.
You missed the fact that tests d, e, and f were with a conductive magnet while the other tests were not. Don't worry, I made the same mistake a few years ago.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2014, 02:18:35 PM
You missed the fact that tests d, e, and f were with a conductive magnet while the other tests were not. Don't worry, I made the same mistake a few years ago.
Gravock
only because I don't own the book and couldn't find a shared copy. esp. for the section quoted.
what does it matter if the magnet is conductive or not?
It would appear that the magnet used in physclips is also conductive... at least on the surface... and the core of a Nd magnet is also conductive so... so?
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 02:24:57 PM
only because I don't own the book and couldn't find a shared copy. esp. for the section quoted.
what does it matter if the magnet is conductive or not?
It would appear that the magnet used in physclips is also conductive... at least on the surface... and the core of a Nd magnet is also conductive so... so?
A rotating conductive magnet is the same as having the disc rotate with the magnet while using a stationary external circuit (closing circuit). In other words, there is relative motion between the conductive coating of the magnet and the closing circuit. There is a voltage/current induced in all cases where there is relative motion between the disc and closing circuit, regardless if the magnet itself is rotating or not. You are forgetting there are two parts to the circuit. There is both a rotating conductor (normally the disc), and a stationary external circuit (also know as closing circuit, wire piece, leads, etc). We could have a single wire piece rotate while the entire disc is stationary and achieve similar results as if the entire disc rotates while a single wire piece remains stationary. None of the tests in Table 3 or any other tests based on a conventional HPM/HPG configuration prove or disprove if the field rotates with the magnet or not.
Gravock
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 08:13:28 AM
Then please illustrate how rotating one, the other, or both changes the cuts of flux with the conductive plate
Mwaaaaah,
that is NOT 360 degree >>>pole to pole<<< rotation of a magnet
Whoooops on you.
That however IS cutting centrifugal and centripetal, and 4 pressure zones
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 02:46:03 PM
Mwaaaaah, that is NOT 360 degree >>>pole to pole<<< rotation of a magnet
Whoooops on you.
That however IS cutting centrifugal and centripetal, and 4 pressure zones
But it IS the situation that was being discussed(presented)... a homopolar generator.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 08, 2014, 03:02:20 PM
But it IS the situation that was being discussed(presented)... a homopolar generator.
Yes yes, However I am speaking about a normal rotating magnet.
still a homopolar motor has 4 pressure zones, and 2 fields, centripetal and centrifugal
(((((THIS BELOW IS NOT FOR YOU BUT FOR EVERYONE ELSE)))))AHEM..................................AS FOR THE ELECTRON, .........
THOSE 3 IDIOTS HERE WHO SAID TESLA AGREED WITH THE "ELECTRON/ PARTICLE".............
..>>>>>>>>>>>I JUST FOUND THIS..............................
SO, IN REPLY, I SAY F*CK YOU........... (see below)
:o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
QuoteClip for Ken !! Strange Magnets !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEYN9Y1Lyrs&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEYN9Y1Lyrs&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
Magnetic BRASS is made from, copper and tin + alteration of magnetic domains = brass..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2pxWHtP5LI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2pxWHtP5LI)
Magnetic Vibratory Resonance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXRtQjuuXJM&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXRtQjuuXJM&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw)
Here is a vortex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOMOPOLAR MOTOR !!!
Magnetic vortex motor NO IRON !! present !! just copper..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_qAwKizXHg&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_qAwKizXHg&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw)
Acca...[/font]
Quote from: Acca on August 08, 2014, 03:24:43 PM
LOVE IT!!!! thanks ;D
COOL VIDEO ;) ;) ;)
I just found this full quote:
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, the world wireless system, It was not the induction motor; instead it was the discovery of the principle that preceded the induction motor, the "rotating magnetic field".
Tesla answered rotating magnetic fields were dear to his heart. ...."When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, I was a very young man. The revelation came after years of concentrated thought and it was my first great thrill. It was not only a valuable discovery capable of extensive practical applications. It was a REVELATION OF NEW FORCES AND NEW PHENOMENA unknown to science before".
"No", Dr. Tesla said with some feelings, .................
"I would not give my rotating field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and ear!" Then saying:............. "A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come."
- Nikola TeslaArticle: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)that quote is, I'd say,... the "cats ass" ;) ;) ;)
Thanks for the Tesla find !! This is really great !! Thanks...
Acca....
Quote from: Acca on August 08, 2014, 03:24:43 PM
Magnetic Vibratory Resonance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXRtQjuuXJM&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw
Ya... except you never see the drive motor... there's always one side that is never shown... Here's a howto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGdV_MNPLf8
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 03:34:49 PM
LOVE IT!!!! thanks ;D
COOL VIDEO ;) ;) ;)
I just found this full quote:
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, the world wireless system, It was not the induction motor; instead it was the discovery of the principle that preceded the induction motor, the "rotating magnetic field".
Tesla answered rotating magnetic fields were dear to his heart. ...."When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, I was a very young man. The revelation came after years of concentrated thought and it was my first great thrill. It was not only a valuable discovery capable of extensive practical applications. It was a REVELATION OF NEW FORCES AND NEW PHENOMENA unknown to science before".
"No", Dr. Tesla said with some feelings, ................."I would not give my rotating field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and ear!"
Then saying:............. "A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come." - Nikola Tesla
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
that quote is, I'd say,... the "cats ass" ;) ;) ;)
Although I am not sure who you were directing your insulting "three idiots" comment towards regarding electrons, with respect to Tesla and rotating magnetic fields, would he not just be referring to his work with induction motors (and generators) as "rotating magnetic fields" is used in his induction motor patents?
PW
Regarding magnetic brass, although many brass alloys contain a very small percentage of iron, the effect being seen in the video is more likely related to the drag observed when dropping a magnet thru a conductive metal tube. Induced Eddy currents generating magnetic fields.
PW
Quote from: Acca on August 08, 2014, 03:37:30 PM
Thanks for the Tesla find !! This is really great !! Thanks...
Acca....
In that same article---------------------
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview: On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original.
He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter, and does not believe in the existence of an "electron" as pictured by science. "To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability...." - Nikola Tesla
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
Quote from: picowatt on August 08, 2014, 03:56:58 PM
Although I am not sure who you were directing your insulting "three idiots" comment towards regarding electrons, with respect to Tesla and rotating magnetic fields, would he not just be referring to his work with induction motors (and generators) as "rotating magnetic fields" is used in his induction motor patents?
PW
Why dont you go ask Tesla yourself.
"A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete,
but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come." - Nikola Tesla
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
Why dont you go ask Tesla yourself.
"A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come."
- Nikola Tesla
Do you believe he is more so referring to "rotating magnetic fields" as with regard to somehow supporting your claims regarding a PM, or the more likely and obvious scenario which is that he is referring to his work with AC motors and generators, where he does indeed use the expression "rotating magnetic fields" when discussing/describing them?
PW
Tinselkoala !!! you seem to have your act together !! This guy Kenny is a twit !! He has jumped right into electrical engineering from Greek philosophy and spouts out mad claims about bending light round a magnet dielectric formulas for magnets a estranged perspective of mass the electron and the photon ! Never includes simplicity when the facts are simply simple even time and space don't exist ?????????????? in any old fashioned equation he comes up with .. He jumps on other peoples discoveries as if they belong to him than insults anyone with experience and attacks the logic of physics with a bog brush ...That's just the start of it he's dam rude insulting arrogant ignorance is underlined by the psychotic mentality he promotes . Than loads up the whole page when he is brought to the point of reality by many that prove a definitive logic that cant be disputed and has no ability to know being wrong is also an important part to finally getting things right .
DAM FOOL ...
Anyway I don't want to throw into the ring my work as its only a complementary set of technologies that are built to probe and measure not just free energy but the fabric of the space time continuum from the 3rd to 5th dimensional constructs and to isolate gravity as a graviton with a 2 vector spin interlock over a dark matter super string .... I am not the best electron plumber on the planet by a long shot but one of the best particle physicists whom is good enough to pull apart the electron and find there 2.2 trillion x y components with x somewhere in a 5th dimensional state ..
Time travel with photons for us is a reality its realm is between paranormal and quantum mechanical and all these fundamental truths are now being polished off at great speed in the final explanation for a grand unified field that will change everything and confirm the universe as a system of string harmonics ... Calculus will not work in that format only harmonics in imperial measurements work this is important when studying UFOs dimensional beings and advanced quantum state technologies .
Our aim is to replicate the infamous NASA secret UFO transmission the one with the 12 kilometre tether energy experiment and was interacted by UFOs that were measured to have a 4 kilometre outside diameter ..... Also to challenge the current speed recorded for a fast moving craft in the earths atmosphere which is a UFO filmed by NASA and stands at an amazing 995 000 MPH ....
Magnetic vortex simulations is an important research subject for this work and I thought I would find something useful here but your man super nut job the 3rd has ruined this thread ...... All I can say is your right !!!! Good luck !!!
Regards
93element
Quote from: picowatt on August 08, 2014, 04:31:09 PM
Do you believe he is more so referring to "rotating magnetic fields" as with regard to somehow supporting your claims regarding a PM, or the more likely and obvious scenario which is that he is referring to his work with AC motors and generators, where he does indeed use the expression "rotating magnetic fields" when discussing/describing them?
I refer ONLY to magnetism,
get it. Pardon, dummy................,
but ALL magnetism is a Circulatory ROTATING radiation ETHER MODALITY.
a magnet "sitting there" or a rotating "magnet" which already has spinning circulatory magnetic fields (divergent and convergent).
Now, grasp COMPOUNDED MOVEMENT. ....... moving a physical magnet that ALREADY has spatial field reciprocation.
(hmmmmm, that might be important).
That "magnet" sitting on your fridge, ....>>>>>>>>>> its ROTATING (rather spinning/ reciprocating centrifugally and centripetally)<<<<<<<<<< ......not the physical object, but its FIELD.
Same as ANY atom at the inter-atomic scale of magneto-dielectricity.
"There are only four types of people in the world regarding discovery and invention:
The most common are those who watch and observe, and profit from invention and discovery; are intrigued by its discoveries.
The second most common are those who dissuade others from invention and discovery, and try to prevent them both mentally and physically from discovery claiming: 'this can lead to nowhere', or 'that course is a dead end, there is nothing there.'
The third most common are greedy and lustful inventors who desire only fame, profit, and acclaim, nothing matters but any angle that can be exploited to be used to exploit others for their own ends. Discovery is not an ends to these people, only a means to exploit others.
The fourth, and most rare are those who do not care about the first three types of people; these rare few have a vision or visions and are hell-bent to uncover the mysteries of the universe, not out of desire for profit or fame or empirical motives, but the only pure, noble, and righteous intent, that being pure discovery and understanding as its own ends. The expansion of comprehension and wisdom".
– Author
TA,
From your response, I take it then that you do indeed believe that Tesla was referring to the spins you profess to exist in PM's and 'fridge magnets, and not his more famous work with the "rotating magnetic fields" of his AC motor/generator work.
One would think, however, that there would be some reference somewhere regarding any of his work with "rotating magnetic fields" that was not related to his AC motor/generator designs.
As an aside, what mechanism do you believe is involved within a magnet when it is raised above its Curie temp? What do you believe happens that causes the magnetic field to "disappear"?
PW
TA you thick plank of wood ! A vortex is not a spinning magnet is it or do you think it is ??? So mr dummy lets get a few things right you are so stupid to presume a vortex is a spinning magnet that one can only conclude your on drugs ....... Your explanation of electricity was interesting but that's it and you never completed the formula with adding space and time I had to do that for you .........
Go back to Greek philosophy and play with play doe marbles and stone tools ..... LEAVE PHYSICS ALONE !!!! Or just try and learn what an amp and volt is before you spout out claims of discoveries that clearly don't belong to you ...
So dummy what is COLUMB OF ELECTRONS and its relationship to ohms law in a magnetic reactive circuit ??? Answer this correctly and don't forget to include the electron ok !!! Oh by the way what does that sign say that is tattooed on your head D I C K ????????? HAHAHAHAHAHH
REGARDS
THE ELECTRON
Quote from: picowatt on August 08, 2014, 05:13:04 PM
TA,
From your response, I take it then that you do indeed believe that Tesla was referring to the spins you profess to exist in PM's and 'fridge magnets, and not his more famous work with the "rotating magnetic fields" of his AC motor/generator work.
One would think, however, that there would be some reference somewhere regarding any of his work with "rotating magnetic fields" that was not related to his AC motor/generator designs.
As an aside, what mechanism do you believe is involved within a magnet when it is raised above its Curie temp? What do you believe happens that causes the magnetic field to "disappear"?
PW
Youre acting as clueless as HighforMiles. I said --- I refer ONLY to magnetism, get it.
>>>>what mechanism do you believe is involved within a magnet when it is raised above its Curie temp? What do you believe happens that causes the magnetic field to "disappear"?
It is NOT lost NOR does it disapear.
You keep thinking magnetism is some FIRST, its not.
heating causes all inter-atomic dielectric coherency to be LOST as the atoms expand in picometers.
The magnetism is NEVER LOST EVER in ANY atom in the universe. Suggest you look up one word COHERENT
INVERSE, but same reason Yttrium barium copp-oxide disks become (NOT superconductors) but super-DIAMAGNETIC repulsors. The mag field cannot sink into the material.
Why do you think a lens loses its ability to collimate light if you heat it the melting point? Oh shit, where did its focusing ability go???? Did it "disappear"
ROFL
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 08, 2014, 05:21:31 PM
vortex is a spinning magnet
I made no such claim, son. Run along.
wrap your brain around--- COMPOUNDED FIELD MOVEMENT AND RECIPROCATION
Magnetism is reciprocating in a STILL, PHYSICAL "MAGNET" sitting on the table.
Magnetism
, in COMPOUND, moved in space and time by moving a physical magnet ......and coupling off this Ether perturbation.
1. something (field) in that
still physical object is always reciprocating / SPINNING
2. ROTATE the physical object in space and time in what is ALREADY and ALWAYS reciprocating / spinning at its field-level
3. Use a dielectric reflector to couple off the product of dielectricity and magnetism
COMPOUNDED FIELD MOVEMENT
Hence we have the primary dimensions in electrical engineering. These are:1) Time
2) Space
3) Dielectricity
4) Magnetism
Every other relation, quantity, or expression, Volt, Amp, Ohm, etc. is
derived from these FOUR dimensions. Time and Space are the metrical
dimensions; Dielectricity and Magnetism are the physical dimensions
TA,
So, your answer appears to be:
Quote
heating causes all inter-atomic dielectric coherency to be LOST as the atoms expand in picometers.
What mechanism causes the loss of "dielectric-coherency" due to an atom "expanding" as you claim?
As well, assuming then that cooling below the Curie temp allows the atoms to return to their previous "size", why does the magnet not resume its original field strength?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 08, 2014, 07:20:45 PM
As well, assuming then that cooling below the Curie temp allows the atoms to return to their previous "size", why does the magnet not resume its original field strength?
PW
How the HELL do you assume THAT insane conclusion????? BY THAT BS premise cooling down a molten lens will allow it to return to its prior optical properties!!!!!
My god, I thought you a BIT SMARTER THAN THAT
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 07:38:30 PM
Quote from: picowatt
As well, assuming then that cooling below the Curie temp allows the atoms to return to their previous "size", why does the magnet not resume its original field strength?
PW
[/size][/font]How the HELL do you assume THAT insane conclusion? ??? ?
BY THAT BS premise cooling down a molten lens will allow it to return to its prior optical properties!!!!!
My god, I thought you a BIT SMARTER THAN THAT
I missed the word 'not' the first scanning of that too.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 07:38:30 PM
How the HELL do you assume THAT insane conclusion?????
BY THAT BS premise cooling down a molten lens will allow it to return to its prior optical properties!!!!!
My god, I thought you a BIT SMARTER THAN THAT
So now you believe that raising a ferrous object above its Curie temp is analogous to melting a glass lens?
A glass lens can be heated until it expands slightly, changing its refractive index a bit, but upon cooling, it will return to its previous optical qualities. (as well, most Curie point temps are well below the substrate melting point)
Seriously, I thought YOU were smarter than that.
Should I take your response to mean that you have no idea why "dielectric coherency" is lost above T Curie and why it does not return upon cooling?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 08, 2014, 07:52:37 PM
So now you believe that raising a ferrous object above its Curie temp is analogous to melting a glass lens?
A glass lens can be heated until it >>>>>>>>>expands slightly<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I said "molten lens" dummy not a "merely heated" lens.
an analogy is an analogy, thats all it is. There is a fallacy called "taking the analogy too far"
Thats right son, ever heard of a "scattered phase" ????????
In all honesty, I had no idea you were really that daft. I was getting a clue, but wow.
Loss of coherent INDUCED FIELD, either by increase of capacitance or mere dielectric coherency
is LOST upon extreme heating (depending on the material), Neo is diff. then Ferrite, and also diff. than somarium cobalt maggies.
My god, what ignorance.
Fundamentally you are 100% CLUELESS that a "magnet" is an object with enormous inter-atomic COHERENT magneto-dielectricity which, in coherency, has macro-atomic phenomena resultant of this coherency.
HINT: all that shit called "ALIGNED DOMAINS" only means COHERENCYknow the diff between 5 WATTS OF INCOHERENT LIGHT AND 5 WATTS OF COHERENT LIGHT???????????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5 WATTS OF INCOHERENT LIGHT isnt enough to read a book by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 WATTS OF COHERENT LIGHT WILL BURN YOUR ASS AND FUCKING PERMANENTLY BLIND YOU
Heating to the Curie temp rarely implies heating "to the melting point".
Your analogy wherein a glass lens is "melted" is, at best, a very poor analogy to describe the Curie point.
Most people would likely not consider it an analogy at all...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 08, 2014, 08:08:56 PM
Heating to the Curie temp rarely implies heating "to the melting point".
No shit Sherlock
Quote from: picowatt on August 08, 2014, 08:08:56 PM
Most people would likely not consider it an analogy at all...
BANDWAGGON FALLACY ;D ;D
Suggest you study this word: COHERENT
TA,
So again, I'll take your responses to mean you have no idea WHY the "dielectric coherency" is lost above the Curie temp and does not return upon cooling below the Curie temp.
As conventional science does have an explanation, I'll stick with that.
Thanks,
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 08, 2014, 08:21:15 PM
So again, I'll take your responses to mean you have no idea WHY the "dielectric coherency" is lost above the Curie temp and does not return upon cooling below the Curie temp.
strawman fallacy. I did explain why.
I dont need your approval, I only have to refute your ignorant ass.
Now you're being a sophistic GOON like HighforMiles good luck that BS ;D
See the picture below asshole?
thats a DESCRIPTION, not an EXPLANATION. Learn the difference moron.
Quote from: picowatt on August 08, 2014, 08:21:15 PM
As conventional science does have an explanation, I'll stick with that.
No, in fact it DOES NOT ASSHOLE.
Below you will read a DESCRIPTION..........NOT an explanation.
"The Curie temperature is the critical point where a material's intrinsic magnetic moments change direction. Magnetic moments are permanent dipole moments within the atom which originate from electrons' angular momentum and spin. Materials have different structures of intrinsic magnetic moments that depend on temperature. At a material's Curie Temperature those intrinsic magnetic moments change direction.
Permanent magnetism is caused by the alignment of magnetic moments and induced magnetism is created when disordered magnetic moments are forced to align in an applied magnetic field. For example, the ordered magnetic moments (ferromagnetic, figure 1) change and become disordered (paramagnetic, figure 2) at the Curie Temperature."
Learn the difference EXPLAIN //// DESCRIBE
My god you're dumb
DESCRIPTION:
"Higher temperatures make magnets weaker as spontaneous magnetism only occurs below the Curie Temperature"
Explain anything? NOPE. :o :o Moron
Particle lines of force will incur damage by interference either as a thermodynamic condition or time related stress ..... The cure point can reset to a normal field position and I mean field don't let TA CONVINCE YOU THAT FIELD DONT EXISIT OR THE DAM COW WONT MAKE ANY MILK ....... OE ELECTRICTY IF THE COW IS AN ELECTRON ....... To re coil back MF AND TO ITS PERFECTED ATOMIC CONDITION THE REVERSE PATH MUST COMPLET THE SAME CYCLE AS WHEN THE MAGNET WAS MADE ..... ELECTRONS HAVE 5 QUNTIZED STATES OF CHARGE ... This is a set energy system so to reverse the dynamic one has to step back down the ladder when cooling either a lens or a magnetic or it will have lose ....... ITS CALLED ENTROPIC UNITY FOR FORWARD AND REVERSE MAGNITIZATION .... All perfect chemical reactions can and will reverse the formula without loss !
Its nice to see that TA AS MAD AS HE IS STARTING TO INCLUDE SPACE AND TIME AND FINALY RESPECTING THE EXISITENCE OF THE ELECTRON ...........
We now have the formula that excel orates the magnet on the surface of the lens and the complete diagram schematic for electron re-coil over a change in space time curvature !!! DO YOU HEAR THAT TA A CHANGE IN SPACE TIME CURVATURE .......
Regards
The best there is
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 08, 2014, 08:39:50 PM
You're insane, go find peace. Go smoke one or something.
@d3xOr and Gravox.
Why not open a thread on the HPG/HPM,and i will give my input as well. I can give you a sound explination as to how the HPG works,and why it dosnt matter if the magnets rotate with or without the conductive disk. This is using the spin field theory of TA's-seem to make sence in this case.
Quote from: tinman on August 08, 2014, 10:04:35 PM
@d3xOr and Gravox.
Why not open a thread on the HPG/HPM,and i will give my input as well. I can give you a sound explination as to how the HPG works,and why it dosnt matter if the magnets rotate with or without the conductive disk. This is using the spin field theory of TA's-seem to make sence in this case.
I validated my INCOMMENSURABILITY THEORY tonight using a large precession (very large) ring magnet to view CENTRIPETAL LOBING RATIOS ;) ;)
Proving my theory that took 4 years to complete from my discovery of 10 years ago of 1/Phi^-3
proving that Magnetism must reciprocate at PHI CUBED + 1 (5.23606).
Or, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1.23606 , or Phi^3+1 I KNEW that was the only way it could work as per my prior formula.
Time to celebrate! PIZZA TIME!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmkqBl16Jlg
TA,
Did you change out the tri-color LED's in your ferrocell for white LED's?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 09, 2014, 12:55:08 AM
TA,
Did you change out the tri-color LED's in your ferrocell for white LED's?
PW
indeed so
here I call the "HAPPY ACCIDENT PHOTOS"
I was putting in inside, but it got wedged at first, resultants:
2nd and 3rd pic are from EITHER side of the large ceramic maggie.
TA
may I ask how many leds are set around the ferrocell ?
(I guess equally spaced around), or. . . . there is a wider gap between the first and last one in the circle ?
Are there 10 or may be a multiple of 5 ?
thanks
cheers
Quote from: ALVARO_CS on August 09, 2014, 04:00:53 AM
TA
may I ask how many leds are set around the ferrocell ?
(I guess equally spaced around), or. . . . there is a wider gap between the first and last one in the circle ?
Are there 10 or may be a multiple of 5 ?
thanks
cheers
There are 16 around the circumference of the optical glass
I just took these snaps tonight
DUST IS A BITCH :o :o :o
The last pic isnt mine, and its a MUCH larger lens
I proved my two formulas all in one night.
Love- ly
Doesnt matter what SHAPE mag I have in the center of any of 3 diff LARGE ring maggies, I proved my formula
ALL RESULTS THE SAME. ;) ;) ;) ;)
I think they call that "incredible", both proofs in one night.
Here is one created by its inventor:
broken ring magnet.
See the pinwheel below? GET A CLUE FOLKS????? Divergent inverse magnetic field reciprocation.
Except the so-called magnet is a double pinwheel divergent and convergent and interlacing
inverted images I made tonight with my ring magnets
except the bottom one which is a 1" CUBE along the dielectric inertial plane
Insanity is not physics TA in fact you don't do physics you do pictures and play with kids toys silly boy !!! For them that don't know what space time curvature is it is a 2.2 degree curve in imperial measurement its also the same as the curvature of an electron and gravity ! Any optical illusion TA makes is just a simple hologram that is not in line with magnetic fields in fact the TA pictures are just pretty photons in refraction within the medium he is using ... There is no alignment or change with the magnetic forces in any of TAs pictures ... Photons will never follow a magnetic field but can only be bent from a magnetic field to no more to than 10 degrees !
No TA as you keep proving your a dummy and feed drugs to birds it would be wise to admit you can not produce a video of the photons moving CW OR CCW so you my son are a fully confirmed and total complete mug !!!!!!!!!
You cant get your head round electron re coiling or a change in space time curvature because you don't understand physics or quantum mechanics and WE CAN ONLY PERSUM YOU ARE A MENTAL HEALTH PATIENT ! Please provide us with the details of your DR and stop drinking alcohol with your medication !!!!!
Now produce the video of the hologram with the pretty photons spinning because that would prove you right but it is in fact impossible witch proves you are a nut job whom probably has escaped from a high security mental hospital !!!! Or for the first time in your daft life learn from a master and stop pretending you are a scientist ....
Regards
The best there is ....
TA,
In your opinion, how would a ferrocell constructed using a different geometric shape affect the pattern observed using a circular ferrocell? (i.e., how would a ferrocell made as a square, rectangle, triangle, etc affect the observed pattern)
PW
TA must provide a video of the pretty holographic optical illusion moving when spins he's magnet if he can not do that he must except it as a fact that he has no magnetic vortex !
IT IS IMPOSIBLE ............ ELECTRON RE-COIL IS WHAT MAKES THE SMALL MAGNET SPIN ON THE SURFACE OF THE LENS ........ ITS ALL TO DO WITH THE FREE ELECTRONS IN THE MAGNET AND THE CURVATURE OF THE LENS ................................................TIN MAN HAS SOME IMPORTANT INFORMATION COMEING SO LET HIM WITHOUT DISRUPTION PRESENT WHAT HE HAS FOUND ...
WHEN YOU ALL HAVE NOTHING TO CONTRUBUTE I WILL PROVIDE THE FORMULA FOR THE EFFECT AND PROVE WITHOUT ANY DOUBT THE CONNECTION OF THE SYSTEM AND GRAVITY ............... IT WILL BE POSIBLE TO LEVITATE THE SPINING MAGNET WITH THIS FORMULA ...........! TA THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE !!!!! SHOW THE LIGHT MOVEING AS YOU MOVE THE MAGNET AND THEY MUST ALSO SPIN AT HIGH SPEED EQUAL TO THE SPEED OF THE SPINING MAGNET ON THE LENSE THAT IS PRESENTED BY AN ENGLISHMAN AND TA PUBLICLY ANOUCED THE BRITISH AS ARSHOLES ....................................................................................THE EFFECT WAS DISCOVERED BY THE BRITISH NOT TA OR BY ANYONE IN THE USA .................................................
So in the words of the now FAMOUS TWIT TA the British are arseholes MMMMMMMM ?????? THATS THE SOUND OF A NUTTER WHO STICKS HES DOGS HEAD OUT OF A FAST MOVEING CAR FOR A PICTURE AND ALSO FEEDS DRUGS TO BIRDS ALL OF WHICH TA HAS PRESENTED TO PROVE HES DISCOVERY ..... IF THERE ARE ANY THERAPESTS HERE PLEASE HELP TA ASAP BEFOR HE DOES SOMETING VERY STUPID .................................................... !!! CHECK MATE !!!
Atached a geometrical observation of different patterns.
Quote from: picowatt on August 09, 2014, 02:20:48 PM
TA,
In your opinion, how would a ferrocell constructed using a different geometric shape affect the pattern observed using a circular ferrocell? (i.e., how would a ferrocell made as a square, rectangle, triangle, etc affect the observed pattern)
PW
It wouldnt , it would cause a bit diff concentration at some points due to attack angles.
as you can see above, sphere, cylinder, square maggies produce the SAME results as well, EXACTLY the same.
Quote from: ALVARO_CS on August 09, 2014, 03:16:19 PM
Atached a geometrical observation of different patterns.
as you can see, they are just divergent and convergent interlacing spheres of magnetic radiation as they reciprocate outwards and then centripetally to the other side.
bottom 2 pics are BROKEN RING MAGNET PIECES
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 09, 2014, 04:26:09 PM
as you can see above, sphere, cylinder, square maggies produce the SAME results as well, EXACTLY the same.
Which is exactly why I asked the question regarding the ferrocell's geometry.
Do you not feel that any influence of the circularly shaped ferrocell on the observed pattern worthy of verification with a ferrocell of a different geometric shape?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 09, 2014, 04:53:25 PM
Which is exactly why I asked the question regarding the ferrocell's geometry.
Do you not feel that any influence of the circularly shaped ferrocell on the observed pattern worthy of verification with a ferrocell of a different geometric shape?
PW
That question was raised years ago and resultant effects were identical
Likewise, using only 2 LEDS at ANY angle produces, while not as FULL of a picture, IDENTICAL EFFECTS
even using 1 LED.
more LEDS, the more %%% of the "picture" is seen. Likewise with diff colors, due to wavelengths affects on diff. colored lights.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 09, 2014, 05:02:27 PM
That question was raised years ago and resultant effects were identical
Likewise, using only 2 LEDS at ANY angle produces, while not as FULL of a picture, IDENTICAL EFFECTS
even using 1 LED.
more LEDS, the more %%% of the "picture" is seen. Likewise with diff colors, due to wavelengths affects on diff. colored lights.
Are any images available made using a non-circular ferrocell (i.e., square, etc)?
Quote from: picowatt on August 09, 2014, 05:06:10 PM
Are any images available made using a non-circular ferrocell (i.e., square, etc)?
Yes, not that I have, however you can do the same using a tiny ball magnet and 2 LEDS between 2 pieces of small sheet glass, or rectangular microscope slides, the old thick ones
2 LEDS at 90 degrees around a pair of round lenses is replicating the same thing.
such as below:
I have never come across such bull shit !!!!!! What an idiot its just a simple hologram trick ! Ta can never prove a thing there is no vortex in any of the pictures ! The pictures all have a edit written all over them ! Its all a fak and the formula represents noting . now he is saying magnetic fields are radiation hahahahahahah what a load of junk physics .......... rubbish !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And now he is lieing about what the effects are with other magnets he has no idear what he is talking about no proof just stupid pictures ....... TA YOUR A CON MAN A CRIMINAL A LIER A CHEAT A CHAD //////.........
ME
93rdElement,
You're of course entitled to your opinions, no matter how
obtuse. Your level of hyper-stimulation is puzzling, however.
Koolaid?
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 09, 2014, 07:50:45 PM
93rdElement,
You're of course entitled to your opinions, no matter how
obtuse. Your level of hyper-stimulation is puzzling, however.
Koolaid?
Sok, you should see the private message he sent me, hes communicating with Lord Xenu on planet Omicron-Theta
;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 09, 2014, 08:14:20 PM
Sok, you should see the private message he sent me, hes communicating with Lord Xenu on planet Omicron-Theta
;D ;D
Private messages shouldn't be repeated in the public forum!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 09, 2014, 08:52:49 PM
Private messages shouldn't be repeated in the public forum!
Gravock
thats not what he said, so i didnt communicate ANYTHING, point is, hes nutz.
You dont need a private message to see the OBVIOUS ;D
Hutchison is using a crystal lens ! there is a connection with the lens and gravity ,we know that light gravity and a stream of magnetic particles all interact and can be changed with RF signals . But the TA pictures don't represent any vortex he cant make the holographic image spin ..... But the geometry is the same as space time fabric and to us that is the only point of interest not all the mad science he paints all over the image that bit is nuts .......The sad thing is he will miss the connection and see it as something that it is not and the spinning magnet over the lens is electron re coiling not a vacuum or a dielectric event as there is no charge to discharge ...
Free electrons between atoms like in copper wire or a neo magnet cant leave the boundary of the surface atoms they are trapped by there own opposing field and form a diamagnetic pressure inside the mass of the magnet ... Where there is pressure there is energy and an interphase between the fabric of space which is it self gravity can loop like string in the lens set up .... The magnet spins at its centre just like a black hole an electron has the same inverse law of a black hole ... If the magnet was the black hole and space time curvature was the lens and the magnetic field is the light around the black hole than the electrical charge of the black hole must come from the mass that is stuck at the event horizon ...... But the comparison is not the same as there is no charge in the lens system and the photons are only following the line of gravity not the MF .....
The only thing that can make the magnet spin is another magnet that is moving ccw to the direction of the spin so the only available component that can do that is the free electron being drawn into the centre releasing energy and traveling back to where it cam from.
The grand unification law of the unified field that is now the leading model in cutting edge quantum mechanics is proved correct in the lens set up as there must be a string that connects the mass of the lens the free electrons and the magnetic field .........................................
The lens is the connecting component like a link in a chain or a knot tied between 2 or 3 strings ! TA is so stuck on the dielectric that he will try and stick it to everything he does its nuts ........... Now the only thing to do is except truth over bullshit and make the magnet levitate and spin at the same time ! And to do that you need to add a 3 phase signal from another lens .........
Its all string but not a vortex in sight TA must spin hes pretty hologram but he can never do that so that to us is a folly which is a building that has no purpose just like he's daft vortex .... Nice hologram interesting how the photons refract the vectors of the lattice electrons in the lens that's the outer electron in the atom of the bond in the glass .. So the light appears to bend but its just a trick of the light ,,,....
Reality over bullshit ........ NOW STICK TO REALITY BECAUSE EVERY SCIENTIST ON THE PLANET WILL AGREE WITH ME NOT TA ..............
ME
Quote from: 93rdELEMuNT
...EVERY SCIENTIST ON THE PLANET WILL AGREE WITH ME...
Your bottom line is revealing what drives you.
The biggest tragedy is that ignore user list only functions when logged in.
KEN !!!!!
Wow Ken it's been one hell of a ride here !!! I am the one that is nuts here... because the VALIDATION OF THE MAGNET-VORTEX was just nuts !!
Here is a movie that I made in 2012 and never posted !!
Well it's just for you !!!
Enjoy it !!! and... others pissoff !!! it's NOT for you !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUG9NM_xJi8&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUG9NM_xJi8&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
Acca...[/font]
Quote from: Acca on August 10, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
KEN !!!!!
Wow Ken it's been one hell of a ride here !!! I am the one that is nuts here... because the VALIDATION OF THE MAGNET-VORTEX was just nuts !!
Here is a movie that I made in 2012 and never posted !!
Well it's just for you !!!
Enjoy it !!! and... others pissoff !!! it's NOT for you !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUG9NM_xJi8&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUG9NM_xJi8&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
Acca...[/font]
Ahhh, you lovely chap !!!!
Right at 5:29, you can see the hypertrochoid pattern for just about a second!!!!!!
Bloody lovely stuff!!! ;) ;) ;) ;)
Will you let me use a snap of your video in the 3rd edition of the book? If so of course I give you full credits!!!
Quote from: Acca on August 10, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
KEN !!!!!
Wow Ken it's been one hell of a ride here !!! I am the one that is nuts here... because the VALIDATION OF THE MAGNET-VORTEX was just nuts !!
Here is a movie that I made in 2012 and never posted !!
Well it's just for you !!!
Enjoy it !!! and... others pissoff !!! it's NOT for you !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUG9NM_xJi8&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUG9NM_xJi8&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
Acca...[/font]
So, you are youtube user Gustave Le-Bonn. I know you're not Gustave Le Bonn himself, but what ever happened to his book called "synthetic radiation"? Was this book really confiscated by the FBI? Also, have you tried the experiment with a non-conductive magnet?
Gravock
ALL those years seeing the hypotrochoid "spirograph" formations,...............
........... you were looking at expanding divergent and contracting convergent inverse spin MAGNETIC RECIPROCATIONS
;D ;D ;D
where else have I seen that pattern of nature.......
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 09, 2014, 09:49:04 PM
People keep asking about "Counterspace" since that IS dielectricity, well, the Magnetic hyperbolas are intersected at 0 by the HYPERBOLOID, which causes "magnetic pinch"
where either y0=0 or y1=0. The above equation defines a hyperboloid of one sheet, and so you're looking for the intersection of that hyperboloid with the xy1-plane (where y0=0) and xy0-plane
(where y1=0).Ill post an easy to understand video about this tomorrow, it will make things abundantly clear.
same thing I mentioned already in the book, just at a diff. angle. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 09, 2014, 05:25:43 PM
Yes, not that I have, however you can do the same using a tiny ball magnet and 2 LEDS between 2 pieces of small sheet glass, or rectangular microscope slides, the old thick ones
2 LEDS at 90 degrees around a pair of round lenses is replicating the same thing.
such as below:
What will be the result of using a real holographic 3d image projected into space, instead of a virtual holographic image as shown in the below snapshot? What will happen by modifying the above experiment and placing it inside two parabolic mirrors facing each other, such as a mirascope (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbBQ1vK0ELo)?
Gravock
NO VORTEX JUST IONS PUSHING THE GAS IN CIRCLES HAHAHAHAH YOU MUPITS PULL ANOTHER STRING ITS GOT BELLS ON HAHAHHAHA !!!! TA show the hologram spinning and you prove a vortex hahahah you dam fools Let me throw you some peanuts here is the challenge you must achieve ! FAIL AND IT WILL BE CONFIRMED THAT YOU ALL ARE A BUNCH OF MONKEYS STUCK IN A TREE PLAYING WITH MARBLES AND PLADO HAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHA
HE WHO CAN LEVITATE THE LENSE WINS TRUTH AND KNOWLAGE HE THAT CAN NOT IS A MONKEY HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH MAGNETIC VORTEX AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA ION WIND HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
WHAT U NEED IS A LENS TO SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING WRONG HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA !!!!!!! WE ARE ALL LAUGHING OUR SOCKS OFF AT YOU HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Also when ferrite ring magnets was first made they stuck a lens over it and played with some lights hahahhaha you have discovered nothing hahahaha its all been done many times hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahah
Do the research boys and stop playing with toys hahahahahahah NOW LEVITATE THE LENS !!!!!!!!!!!! TO DO THAT YOU WILL NEED ME TO TEACH YOU HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH ION WIND HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
CHECK MATE NOW PISS OFF AND MAKE SOMETING THAT CAN PRODUCE ENERGY HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH YOU STICKLE BACK BRAIN DEAD NINCONPOPS HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
THINK NOW AND EXCEPT THE CHALLANGE HE WHO WINS WILL FREE ALL HUMANITY FROM THE GRIP OF GRAVITY AND TO THE STARS AND BEYOUND BUT NOT WITH ION WIND HAHAHAHAHAHAH YOU IDIOTS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH COME ON STEP UP TO THE LINE ..... ALL THAT TA HAS DONE IS TO ATEMPT TO TAKE A BRITISH INVENTION AND CLAIM IT AS HES !!!!! NOW BOY TA THAT IS VERY NAUGHTY TUT TUT TUT TUT TUT TUT !!!!!! BEHAVE BOY !!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU HAVE ONE YEAR FROM THIS DAY TO ACUMPLISH THE CHALLANGE !!!!! OR WE WILL DO IT FOR YOU !!!!! LONG LIVE THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND AND ALL THAT IS INVENTED BY HERE PEOPLE !!!!! TO THE STARS U MUPPETS OR IN THE BIN WITH YOUR ION WIND HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA CHECK MATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"LONG LIVE THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND AND ALL THAT IS INVENTED BY HERE PEOPLE"
She's a murderous satan worshiping pedophile !!!
You seem to know nothing about anything.
Regards...
Cap
The new Kid is pretty feisty......
will this be a steel cage match or do I have to get the rubber room outa storage?
Chet
Chet,
Anyone unaware that the "queen" is a murderous satan worshiping pedophile, wouldn't last a round with someone like TA...or Lawrence Tsung for that matter.
Regards...
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 10, 2014, 09:21:46 AM
Ahhh, you lovely chap !!!!
Right at 5:29, you can see the hypertrochoid pattern for just about a second!!!!!!
Bloody lovely stuff!!! ;) ;) ;) ;)
Will you let me use a snap of your video in the 3rd edition of the book? If so of course I give you full credits!!!
I have looked at the video several times now and, other than the outward spiraling motion, I do not see any evidence of the "hypertrochoid" pattern of the ferrocell proxy.
Pareidolia?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 10, 2014, 03:36:15 PM
Pareidolia?
spoken like a true blind skeptic. Sure you have eyeballs?
Pareidolia , lol
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 10, 2014, 04:38:12 PM
spoken like a true blind skeptic. Sure you have eyeballs?
Pareidolia , lol
There is a much greater probability that you are seeing "what you want to see" than there is that I am blind or do not have eyeballs.
Just sayin'...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 10, 2014, 05:49:41 PM
There is a much greater probability that you are seeing "what you want to see" than there is that I am blind or do not have eyeballs.
Just sayin'...
PW
Dont be a sophistic goon, open your eyes.
And dont use fallacious tactics of accusing someone of nonsense akin to a religious nut seeing Jesus' face in a piece of burnt toast. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 10, 2014, 06:13:31 PM
Dont be a sophistic goon, open your eyes.
And dont use fallacious tactics of accusing someone of nonsense akin to a religious nut seeing Jesus' face in a piece of burnt toast. ;D
There can be no argument against my comment. i don't see evidence of a "hypertrochoid"
[sic] , you apparently do.
"Paraiedelia?" was presented with a question mark to raise the possibility that you might be seeing thru somewhat "biased" eyes (the opposite of your "blind skeptic" comment). I thought pareidelia more appropriate than apophenia.
Maybe someone else will come forward that also sees a "hypertrochoid" in support of your observation.
In any case, all WE can do is agree to disagree.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 10, 2014, 06:31:57 PM
In any case, all WE can do is agree to disagree.
Your compliance in any part of the matter is not required OR desired
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 10, 2014, 06:43:14 PM
Your compliance in any part of the matter is not required OR desired
I believe the purpose of this forum is with regard to "discussion" amongst its members.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 10, 2014, 06:50:53 PM
I believe the purpose of this forum is with regard to "discussion" amongst its members.
PW
How curious you have no study of Platonic debates, ...the premise of sophistry is to divert or end meaningful discussions meant to reach an ends.
Today we call it derailment.
I see nobody keeping you from discussing anything. Flap your gums however & whenever you want.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 10, 2014, 07:23:23 PM
How curious you have no study of Platonic debates, ...the premise of sophistry is to divert or end meaningful discussions meant to reach an ends.
Today we call it derailment.
I see nobody keeping you from discussing anything.
Flap your gums however & whenever you want.
While I thank-you for your permission, I did not realize it was required.
Lighten up, I stated my observation and raised a possibility.
PW
Picowatt:
I appreciate your objectivity and the supporting statements that you followup with after additional research, I find them
informative and think any critical thinker would appreciate it. Your calm reasonable responses are noteworthy and leave the
impression that you would stand corrected if you were provided verifiable facts to the contrary.
It is ironic that based on the first paragraph of TheoriaApophasis's current magnetism book you would be classified a type 4
and TA would be classified a type 3 by his definition of the types of gatekeepers of the mind. I'm basing this on how he has
responded here to some objective/constructive comments that he does not agree with. TA has made it clear that he is not
selling anything and is not trying to convince anyone but that does not change this public perception of him.
"3. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in those things it likes or agrees with and not those things it does not like or agree
with, even if those things are true and wise. This is the third most common type."
"4. The gatekeeper of the mind which judges things as wise and logical, and lets those things in, and judges things as unwise
and irrational and bars them from entry into the mind. This type of gatekeeper of the mind is the most sublime and rare."
I agree with TA when he ends the first paragraph of his book by stating "Open minds are only good up to a point at which
nonsense, lies, and irrational chaos is allowed to enter. Closed minds are only good up to a point where things wise and true
are barred entry. At this point we must agree that wholly open minds are bad, and wholly closed minds are equally as bad."
Quote from: Rfacts on August 10, 2014, 09:31:01 PM
change this public perception of him.
Some people worry their lives away about perception,....... some (very very few) could care less, and have wisdom and discovery as the bliss and warmth that is more dear and lasts longer than any "loving perception" from others, which ultimately,
has NO WORTH , NO VALUE. Quote from: Rfacts on August 10, 2014, 09:31:01 PM
"Open minds are only good up to a point at which nonsense, lies, and irrational chaos is allowed to enter. Closed minds are only good up to a point where things wise and true
are barred entry. At this point we must agree that wholly open minds are bad, and wholly closed minds are equally as bad."
Great quote, whoever said that must be wise.
(insert silent snickering). FM below stands for FIELD MOVEMENT
AM for APPARENT MOVEMENT
D = divergence
C = convergence
Ergo, this is ONLY ONE vector below, not both shown. ...........and hence the SPATIAL CONFUSION others (almost everyone really) have.
Inverse and interlaced superimposition of the BELOW picture,..but in reverse, is needed to show both "poles" divergent and convergent magnetic reciprocations.
P1 = pole one
P2 = pole two
both pics are same from diff. angles
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 10, 2014, 09:44:18 PM
Some people worry their lives away about perception,....... some (very very few) could care less, and have wisdom and discovery
as the bliss and warmth that is more dear and lasts longer than any "loving perception" from others, which ultimately, has NO
WORTH , NO VALUE.
I agree with your view about public perception. I was stating an observation about your public perception, not that you would
care about. At least you didn't try to rationalize away some of your irrational responses which put you in your own type 3
gatekeeper of the mind category. Not selling anything or trying to convince anyone doesn't exempt you from REASON.
It's pretty funny to hear someone who writes long books and makes post like this thread, telling you that he's not trying to convince anyone of anything. Why is he writing the books then? I know why: it's because he's fascinated by the sound of his own gums flapping. After all, it cannot be because he is trying to convince anyone of anything, so there must be another reason. Either that, or our faithful correspondent has emitted yet another "truth error", one amongst many.
I am still laughing about the "one million volt Tesla coil".
Quote from: Rfacts on August 10, 2014, 11:16:35 PM
I agree with your view about public perception. I was stating an observation about your public perception, not that you would
care about.
I know you were, its ok.
no worries about anything. Im wore out from experimentation and writing. I need a break.
The only thing that has "SHOCKED" me in this 100 page thread is not a single ONE OF ANY OF YOU have asked (or asked yourself it seems apparent) one important question:
WHY must divergent centrifugal magnetism reciprocate and return centripetally and convergently into the center of the "other pole"? Why should not magnetism, like particle radiation and Transverse Di-electromagnetism (what is incorrectly deemed EM, / light etc) just "go out". Why return at all?
Some people dont even ask (themselves) the right questions. :o ;D
Spiral from a magnet...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iANxWgaWmk&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iANxWgaWmk&feature=youtu.be)
Acca..
Spiral from a magnet... in SLOW MOTION !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLJ9EamjEk0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLJ9EamjEk0&feature=youtu.be)
Acca..
Quote from: Acca on August 11, 2014, 05:35:20 AM
Spiral from a magnet...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iANxWgaWmk&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iANxWgaWmk&feature=youtu.be)
Acca..
Awesome stuff!!!!
Did you notice THIS IN SLOW MOTION>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Quote from: Acca on August 11, 2014, 05:48:22 AM
Spiral from a magnet... in SLOW MOTION !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLJ9EamjEk0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLJ9EamjEk0&feature=youtu.be)
Acca..
Awesome times 2X
At 26 to 28 seconds you can see the counter-moving centripetal, however its tough to see with hydrogen since its diamagnetic , but you can see it for 2 seconds!!!!
Quote from: gravityblock on August 10, 2014, 09:37:22 AM
So, you are youtube user Gustave Le-Bonn. I know you're not Gustave Le Bonn himself, but what ever happened to his book called "synthetic radiation"?
Gravock
In December of 2012, I found Gustave Le Bon's missing book called "Synthetic Radioactivity"! (http://www.overunity.com/13139/i-found-gustave-le-bons-missing-book-called-synthetic-radioactivity/msg347206/#msg347206)
It appears the book called or known as "synthetic radioactivity" is actually the book titled, "The Evolution of Matter". According to the
History Timeline of 1940-1947 (http://dgwa1.fortunecity.com/untying/1940-47.html) (link is no longer valid), the book which was withdrawn and confiscated from the libraries was the book titled "The Evolution of Matter", while Synthetic Radiation is in Parenthesis next to it and without the quotation marks. In
Pentagon Aliens (http://www.nrgnair.com/MPT/02AIR/Pentagon.Aliens.pdf), by William Lyne, it says on page 167, "Gustave Le Bon wrote a book
on synthetic radioactivity". It doesn't say the book is titled "synthetic radioactivity", but instead says the book is on, or in other-words, about synthetic radioactivity. Another possible explanation could be the term "synthetic radioactivity" was an alias for this book during that time since it was on the FBI's retrieval list. Please take notice of the footnote #16 above "synthetic radioactivity" in Lyne's book. Footnote #16 says, "Gustave Le Bon,
The Evolution of Matter, publisher unknown [ca. 1890]". The first image below, is a snapshot taken from the page on the Timeline. The second image, is taken from page 167 of "Pentagon Aliens".
Evolution of Matter:
http://ia600402.us.archive.org/4/ite...00legggoog.pdf (http://ia600402.us.archive.org/4/items/evolutionmatter00legggoog/evolutionmatter00legggoog.pdf)
Evolution of Forces:
http://ia600408.us.archive.org/3/ite...4031172103.pdf (http://ia600408.us.archive.org/3/items/cu31924031172103/cu31924031172103.pdf)
Gravock
TA 90% OF EVERYTHING YOU HAVE WRITTEN IS JUNK !!!!! THROW IT IN THE BIN !!!!! YOU ARE NOT A SCIENTIST OR A MASTER OF PHYSICS !!!!! DONT PRETEND YOU ARE !!! READ THE COSMOLOGICAL PRINCIPLE !!!! AND READ IT ASAP OR YOU WILL FOREVER LOOK LIKE A SELFISH STUCK UP SPOILT IDIOT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE ...
TA U HAVE WRITTEN A BOOK OF MISS TRUTH AND YOU ARE STUCK WITH IT ! SO STUCK YOU NOW FEAR TRUTH IT SELF ! THERE IS NO VORTEX AND YOU KNOW IT BUT ITS TO LATE THE BOOK IS PUBLISHED ALONG WITH ITS MUMBO JUMBO PHYSICS ....
To all the good people here science is truth over fiction and will come with conformations that add up the facts and will also be independent so don't get lost in the mumbo jumbo rubbish min trap of TA ..............BUT THE IS SOME INSIGHT AS TO GRAVITY AND THE GEOMERTRY OF THE FABRIC OF SPACE !!!! NOW I WILL LEVITATE THE LENSE !!!!!
ME
Your insanity amuses me.
Seek help
listen to me cream cake I am the cherry on top hahaha
Now lets do what they can not and make final the measurement of gravity and time ! This world needs something special to make it fill free and gravity just does not do it for me ! So lets do it here !
Look again into the lens this time empty your mind with all that mumbo jumbo start fresh its gravity you see and the stretching of the fabric of that gravity ! The light is responding to show the fabric and that my dear little friend is the Nobel prize and the key to the stars and a few billion of everything to go with it ...............................
Look again and see the magnet spin think of it as a plug that has been pulled and the water spins its the same thing for gravity is now flowing throw the centre of the spinning magnet .... The reverse optics need a lot of thought and I am now ordering the magic crystal ball but frozen pure water will be fine at -180k ......
I will only tel the truth never a lie ! 5 years ago 6 50ft egg shaped ufos glowing bright orange flew around me and over my house and than turned up a few days later and flew into a wind turbine taking away one of the blades with it ... They really caused a big fuss here in the uk ! I was 500ft close to them and there was no radiation ! In my work shop was quantum tunnelling technology we were going for the 5th dimension by attempting to make a hole between dimensions and we found far more than we bargained for .
We will require 2 lenses one at each side of the egg one at low potential one at high potential ! The low is the big end ect ! Than we will need a coil of iron and aluminium with copper wound round the wire than form it as an egg ! Each crystal will require magnets that spin around the flat side with my free energy generator power them ! Gravity will flow at 90 degrees between the two ends of the egg .................... Start to see gravity in balance flowing like a river it will flow from the high potential round to the low and than throw the egg to complete the loop ....
I will send you the schematic of the free energy generator and the connected unified field oscillator .... The unified field oscillator is a replica of the field set up in the NASA secret ufo liked transmission of the tether mission ... The NASA ufo INTERACTED WITH THAT MISSION ...... THE UFO HAS A 4 KILOMITOR OD but I have A SMALL 1M OD HAHAHA ......
DONT MISS THIS CHANCE TA NOW SON KICK ARSE AND EMAIL ME ASAP 0.atommix@gmail.com lol and no cheating .... hahahahahaha
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 11, 2014, 05:22:45 PM
ME
Since you like crazy, Im going to mix FACT with TINFOIL HAT MADNESS
Tell me why PYRAMID magnets, simply by changing the shape of a square magnet to a pyramid >>>>>>>>>>>>RADICALLY increases its gauss rating
Theyre used for medical testing, experimentation
See video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNtZUFhjquw&list=UUh3cY-IW8QsEFmAh-TAWwrw
Pyramid Magnets - Focusing Flux to a Point
SuperMagnetMan
Yes, he even built a pyramidal array that reaches
3 TESLAS in power from just permanent magnets.
Now, tell me how that works, if you dont know, then you know nothing.
No "pyramid power" etc etc. etc. You can do the same thing by stacking smaller and smaller magnets into a pyramid as well.
Tell me how it works son.
( i know how, but lets see if you know)
TA,
When you post imagery depicting spirals or vortices, such as screenshot 2205, do you mean to indicate via those depictions that they are actually "as drawn", i.e., fields existing as discrete spirals as you have drawn them, or should we interpret #2205 for example, to mean a complete sphere, with the arrows imposed on the surface of that sphere merely indicating field direction (vectors)?
Also, what, if any, field motion/rotation do you see as occurring with the spirals/vortices presented?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 11, 2014, 10:09:59 PM
TA,
When you post imagery depicting spirals or vortices, such as screenshot 2205, do you mean to indicate via those depictions that they are actually "as drawn", i.e., fields existing as discrete spirals as you have drawn them, or should we interpret #2205 for example, to mean a complete sphere, with the arrows imposed on the surface of that sphere merely indicating field direction (vectors)?
Also, what, if any, field motion/rotation do you see as occurring with the spirals/vortices presented?
PW
Suggest you consider a few words ... 1. Polarization...
.. define it in your mind. AC / DC current with CIRCULAR spatial (=polarization) magnetism present (=current radiation).
2. gyromagnetic precession / Larmor frequency. in a "magnet".
3. NOW see if you can wrap your brain around this .....>
"reciprocating DOUBLE HYPERBOLOID"
If you dont "get it", its no fault of mine. Good luck, or not.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 11, 2014, 10:19:08 PM
Suggest you consider a few words ... 1. Polarization..... define it in your mind.
AC / DC current with CIRCULAR spatial (=polarization) magnetism present (=current radiation).
2. gyromagnetic precession / Larmor frequency. in a "magnet".
3. NOW see if you can wrap your brain around this .....> "reciprocating DOUBLE HYPERBOLOID"
If you dont "get it", its no fault of mine. Good luck, or not.
TA,
You seem to have a real problem with simple yes/no questions. To the point of appearing evasive...
Thanks anyway,
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 11, 2014, 10:30:06 PM
TA,
You seem to have a real problem with simple yes/no questions. To the point of appearing evasive...
Youre sophistic and myopic.
Your last question was both loaded and fallacious.
OK TA YOU KNOW YOUR MAGNETS ! I KNOW MY GRAVITY ! And a very good supplier you have there for anything we need for super power magnets ! To me a single line of field and I don't know if you can isolate just one line ? is a string and all string can be tied up in knots a bit like you hahahah Either way any core can tighten up the string and the high potential tip of a pyramid will hold the knot of that string why ??? u tel me .. An egg is the same as the pyramid in that way ! But I don't want to make a magnet I want to replicate the UFOs that flew over my house then they flew over my colleges house and 23 days after that they flew down the road where my lab was stopped and flew towards the moon .
Its your physics I don't understand they have your own formulas not the kind we would know or work with , many of us just work in standard measurements like amps volts not divergent dielectric convergent hahahha some of us own Zimmer frames hahahaha .... When we see a phenomena we look into the natural world and find it in other natural forms . Gravity is our target goal and the unified field which is string theory !
We now see how low current zero g works and the lens is a good way to learn what we need to know in order to build the craft ! The magnet and its strength will become important but you don't need a magnet to make the generator work ! Just an alpha particle radiant energy coil will be ok to spin the magnets ,its just a coil but it must be at the right threshold for radiant energy ... They are very simple to make also there isotopic cores are safe no radiation that is illegal or harmful ..
All we need is to make the egg the rest is a few days work, the surround coil is just for controlling the speed and direction of the craft . Before the ufo flew into the wind turbine it produced a high voltage discharge witness reports said it was quite a light show than went straight into the turbine .. The blade warped round the craft like butter ??? The outside of these craft were covered in an orange bright glowing crystal ???? The earths dielectric or something was charging it up before it went into the turbine ...
The unified field is something you need to study it will help you with harmonics and shows how the proton is shaped like an egg with a detailed view of the inner workings of the proton . In your work we fill there is a chance to isolate dark matter as a string so give that some thought it will be important to try and achieve that . Be cool calm down a bit and just be easy for a change ... A very good read would be the ( cosmological principle ) Every atom and particle in the universe has been counted try and learn how that was done ... You and particle physics will get along its just that your pulse is a particle but its ok to call it a pulse ...
Do you really think I am mad hahahah no I am not that interesting ! Also your lens could become many things from a neutrino communication tool to a high definition 3d hologram system a boson and graviton collector or even a new way to store memory ... Let alone measuring the fabric of space and time ! The only thing is the language will need to be in a format that CERN can understand . Firing particles into the lens and try and get them to follow a set course for collection would be a major improvement in particle excel orators . So that you for the next 100 years if you keep working alone so maybe people are also important to !
The world needs a new industrial quantum leap revolution Aliens and ufos every where and not one man made zero g space craft to send up to have fun with the aliens and to be honest the aliens don't want to play with our governments or military or NASA ! DONT BLAME THEM !
So are you going to keep playing with the lens or ??????????? Look for dark matter in the lens and I will look for a giant lens maker or just find a way to make one big enough to fly ...... its all very simple and its a very small world even if its crazy we can make a big difference ! ANYONE OUT THERE INTRESTED IN ALIEN TECHNOLOGY ALIEN COMMUNICATIONS DEEP SPACE AND BOLDLY GO WHERE NO MONKEY HAS GONE BEFORE LET ME KNOW ..........
OUR MISSION STATEMENT IS IF IT CAN BE DONE IT WILL BE DONE !!!! WE DONT BUILD FLYING BOMBS !!! ONLY IDIOTS DO THAT ........
CHECK OUT THE IRAN FLYING SAUCER ITS GOT A RATHER DEADLY NEUTRON CORE REACTOR IN FACT ITS A FLYING NEUTRON BOMB ..... WE THE SIMPLE PEOPLE REFUSE TO PERMIT THAT THING TO RULE SPACE DO YOU AGREE ???? THE REAL TRUTH IS MUCH MORE STRANGER THAN FICTION BUT AT THIS POINT WE ARE JUST PORNS IN THERE DEATH GAME ...............THINK !!!!!!! THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO SET OUR WORLD FREE !!!!!! OR YOU CAN JUST WAIT UNTIL THE USA AND BRITIAH GOVERNMENT TO DO IT HAHAHA I DONT THINK SO .........
WE DONT JUST WANT TO BUILD THE ALIEN CRAFT WE WANT TO TALK TO THEM GET THEM TO LAND AND SORT THIS RELIGOUS MESS OUT THEY STARTED THE RELIGOUS RUBISH BY ACCEDENT AND WROTE 10 COMANDMENTS ON A STONE SLAB HAHAHAH AND LOOK WHAT HAPPEND HAHAHAHAH ! SO TA GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR BOOK AND POLISH YOUR LENSE WITH THOUGHT TRY AND NOT LRT TIME RUN OUT ! IF YOU SEE AN IRAN FLYING SAUCER GIVE CERN A RING AND ASK THEM TO SHOOT IT DOWN ...
MY MESSAGE TO ALL THE WORLDS GOVERNMENTS IS SIMPLE ! GET THE FUCK OFF MY PLANET OR DISARM AND KISS THE EARTH AND BE FOR FORGIVENESS FOR THE BLOOD YOU HAVE SPILT AND CONTINUE TO SPILL OUT EVERY DAY IS JUST TO MUCH A PRICE TO PAY FOR YOUR COROUPT MADNESS !!! AND TO ALL RELIGONS GET READY BECAUSE I AM COMEING TO BURN ALL YOUR BOOKS AND PUT BACK IN YOUR HANDA THE TEN COMANDMENTS ....
TO ALL THE ALIENS GET YOUR FUCKING ARSE DOWN HERE ASAP .......... LOL XXXXX
ME
Clearly there aren't enough people with a telescope.
To add to the confusion, we exist inside a magnet. The entire universe does. Doesn't anyone actually read or even watch discovery anymore?
Step 1: Look at any galaxy through a telescope
Step 2: Apply TA's theory with pretty pictures
Step 3: Understand that what you're looking at through the telescope is magnetism in action taken 1 slide at a time. (Thanks to the addition of "distance" we see things as though they're not moving; there are more examples of TA's theory throughout the universe than all the math equations humanity has used to blindly stumble to our current understanding)
Step 4: Forget all the additional stuff that's been mentioned in this thread and ponder the vortex for a moment.
Quote from: john_doe on August 12, 2014, 06:16:30 PM
Clearly there aren't enough people with a telescope.
To add to the confusion, we exist inside a magnet. The entire universe does. Doesn't anyone actually read or even watch discovery anymore?
Step 1: Look at any galaxy through a telescope
Step 2: Apply TA's theory with pretty pictures
Step 3: Understand that what you're looking at through the telescope is magnetism in action taken 1 slide at a time. (Thanks to the addition of "distance" we see things as though they're not moving; there are more examples of TA's theory throughout the universe than all the math equations humanity has used to blindly stumble to our current understanding)
Step 4: Forget all the additional stuff that's been mentioned in this thread and ponder the vortex for a moment.
Ill give you a final clue that will roll your head off your shoulders, since magnetism is the ONLY thing that gives MASS(iveness) to mass, and since magnetism is radiation of the dielectric.......
then magnetism must be a dimensional (= polarized) projection of a 1-dimensional radial force in discharge.
THEN you apply that to the POINCARE' DISK MODEL with its mathematical proof, and you have proved both all the math, and the observed resultants.
I will leave the details for the the 3rd edition of the book.The Poincaré hyperbolic disk is a two-dimensional space having hyperbolic geometry defined as the disk
The Poincaré disk is a model for hyperbolic geometry in which a line is represented as an arc of a circle whose ends are perpendicular to the disk's boundary (and diameters are also permitted). Two arcs which do not meet correspond to parallel rays, arcs which meet orthogonally correspond to perpendicular lines, and arcs which meet on the boundary are a pair of limits rays. The illustration above shows a hyperbolic tessellation similar to M. C. Escher's Circle Limit IV (Heaven and Hell) (Trott 1999, pp. 10 and 83).
In plain English, this means you can fit infinite space inside a 2D plane of a circular disc, and polarization is the discharge of this radial 2D dielectric plane/ disk
The Poincaré hyperbolic disk is a two-dimensional space having hyperbolic geometry defined as the disk , with hyperbolic metric
The hyperboloid model can be seen as the equation of t2=x2+y2+1. It can be used to construct a Poincaré disk model as a perspective projection viewed from (t=-1,x=0,y=0), projecting the upper half hyperboloid onto an (x,y) unit disk at t=0. Planes passing through the origin represents geodesics on the hyperbolic plane. The red circular arc is geodesic in Poincaré disk model; it projects to the brown geodesic on the green hyperboloid.
A week ago I asked... why is cereal magnetic, and got 0 answers.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 06, 2014, 09:27:55 AM
5 Fun Physics Phenomena
http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=2m51s (http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=2m51s) (starting at 4)
1) finding center of mass (uninteresting) ( http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE (http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE) )
2) rotating a mass in air ... can't think of the words (uninteresting) ( http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=1m4s (http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=1m4s) )
3) electostatic cup attracts water (uninteresting) ( http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=1m48s (http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=1m48s) )
4) put cereal in a bowl and water and use a magnet; the cereal is attracted to the magnet, so why is cereal magnetic?
5) tea bag rocket ship (burn thing from top to bottom, at last moment it rockets up) (also uninteresting) ( http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=3m13s (http://youtu.be/1Xp_imnO6WE?t=3m13s) )
4 seemed relevant to here though... why is cereal magnetic?
Answers come next week.
http://youtu.be/jIMihpDmBpY?t=55s
The answer is because water is diamagnetic and is repelled by a magnet; this causes a depression where the magnet is, allowing the object to slide into the well... to go against 'anyone notice water being attracted to a magnet'.
Cereal is also 'iron enriched' so it has iron... but there were other videos posted as a response of truly non magnetic objects being attracted by the magnet.
Still the lack of focus ? Where is the vortex ? Sometimes its best to have a purpose beyond trivia or academic detail ! What is the purpose of the lens if all the data is already known ? What are you going to build with that data ? How you going to build it ? What purpose does it have ? Just more pictures of what the same thing over and over again what purpose that have ?
Now I am going to build a very large lens a 10m OD in fact I believe I will require 2 one top one bottom obviously its a flying saucer and another as an egg type one ! Your data will become very confusing if its all about how dam cleaver you are and not focusing in on what can be built with that information ! So do you see my point ? Can you predict the geometry for a disc that has a 2.2 degree imperial curve not metric are you using a crystal lens of just glass in your data ? What are the expected observations for all other types of crystal ?????? Is there a formula that I can put into a computer to observe the results before building anything ?
Do I have to use crystal can I just use glass ?????? sorry to bug you but I am building a space craft not a book ! ARE YOU LIMITIED TO YOUR ABILITY TO HAVE AMBITION BEYOUND DATA ???????
Gravity and light are the same they do the same thing its just that there is a lot more of gravity than light and its particles are polarised and pull on the gravitons you will find the gravitons in the head of all protons ..... simple !!!!
Keep playing with data and pretty pictures arguing all the time about detail spend all your free time on the internet eat crap and rot ! Is that what you are doing ? hahahahah
Get reality plugged into the flow become a bit more adventurous take a risk or two come with me and do some sky diving get a fill for zero g ! Become as fit as a rhino and as fast as a photon ! And if I build a small factory making zero g flying saucers and that is exactly what I will be doing just think how much fun that would be much better than just flapping around in a data bubble ...... Do I work alone NO ,,,,,,,,,,, is your talent wasted it will be they way you lot keep jabbering on about data ......
Count down to launch 3 years ...................... not a problem !!! but in 3 years time you will be doing the same thing as now let me burst your data bubble before it to dame late ! To all that have now received the unified field up date there is a job at the end of it ! Anyone out there good at strategic planning and economic development come this way ......... keep talking boys let the men do the building and the brave do the flying .......
me
Ken the last videos are really fantastic !!
Vortex magnetic lock !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBvHmvMXrg&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBvHmvMXrg&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
Acca...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcI-tUE2kwg&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcI-tUE2kwg&feature=youtu.be)
Ken take a look at this clip as it is a method that is unknown to extract / concentrate noble metals from worthless black shales...
Magnetvortex is what makes it possible.. I run a rock through a magnetvortex PM field and then melt the rocks, crush them and melt at 1850 F.
Then the metals are all on the surface of a glass, then they are removed from the surface by HF acid. I extract Platinum, Palladium, gold and other metals as there is no mixing of elements on the surface.. Wow it's really (like) something Star Trek.. Thanks
You have proven by your theory, that it's the physics of vortex PM.s
Acca...
GET REAL ! Removed by a magnetic vortex hahah You mean its sweeping the elements aside no vortex there more like a broom ! You can only have a magnetic vortex for a fraction of a second in the evaporation of mass ...... Each proton is 1kw so good luck with your vortex hahahahah you will find some examples in a super nova hahahahahahah
Sorry but that is the reality of it !!!!!! Also worm holes will require a magnetic vortex but the energy level needed is the same as a small super nova try and control one hahahahaha ....... Nice bubbles hahahahah I remove silver gold and platinum from raw heavy copper with just a oven no chemicals needed .... I sale atomic grade elements suspended in water .... pure isolated atoms !!!! Do you want some ahahahah ........ stop the vortex madness its nuts .... !
Stick with building flying saucers there much more fun than trying to make a stupid magnetic vortex !!! good luck !!
me
Quote from: Acca on August 13, 2014, 01:56:26 PM
Ken the last videos are really fantastic !!
Vortex magnetic lock !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBvHmvMXrg&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBvHmvMXrg&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
Acca...
that has wonderful applications even on a small scale! Lovely. Magnetic train interlock, hell even for toys its a great idea to sell it as a frictionless inter-connector.
WOW am I tired, i pulled a 24 hour nonstop brain squeeze on a single math formula and its geometry, I least I got rewarded with the results, now i feel just dead.
awesome videos ;D
Quote from: Acca on August 13, 2014, 02:32:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcI-tUE2kwg&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcI-tUE2kwg&feature=youtu.be)
Ken take a look at this clip as it is a method that is unknown to extract / concentrate noble metals from worthless black shales...
Magnetvortex is what makes it possible.. I run a rock through a magnetvortex PM field and then melt the rocks, crush them and melt at 1850 F.
Then the metals are all on the surface of a glass, then they are removed from the surface by HF acid. I extract Platinum, Palladium, gold and other metals as there is no mixing of elements on the surface.. Wow it's really (like) something Star Trek.. Thanks
You have proven by your theory, that it's the physics of vortex PM.s
Acca...
I know there are trace amounts of gold in something like HALF of the earths dirt in small qauntities, considerations for easy sepearation MUST EXIST, since all things are affected by magnetism at some level
paramagnetic
diamagnetic
ferrous etc.
theres always SOME new creative way to separate the "wheat from chaff" ;D ;D
good to see you're a keen experimenter. ;)
Quote from: d3x0r on August 13, 2014, 10:56:02 AM
A week ago I asked... why is cereal magnetic, and got 0 answers.
http://youtu.be/jIMihpDmBpY?t=55s
The answer is because water is diamagnetic and is repelled by a magnet; this causes a depression where the magnet is, allowing the object to slide into the well... to go against 'anyone notice water being attracted to a magnet'.
Cereal is also 'iron enriched' so it has iron... but there were other videos posted as a response of truly non magnetic objects being attracted by the magnet.
I thought you were asking another person about the cereal.
Yes, there have been 2 shows I recall of them mentioning iron enriched flakes and magnetic effects.
also before boxing they pass the flakes over magnets to pull out potential metal filings in the cereal.
Magnet clip slowmotion ....
Acca...
Magnet..
link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_-bttwl26Q
Quote from: Acca on August 13, 2014, 01:56:26 PM
Ken the last videos are really fantastic !!
Vortex magnetic lock !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBvHmvMXrg&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBvHmvMXrg&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
Acca...
Making progress... ? What you are showing was first described by Nikolayev, Stefan Marinov's mentor, many years ago. It was first demonstrated by _me_ at ISSO in front of people including Ken Shoulders, Hawkins Kirk and Hal Puthoff in 1999 or 2000 in San Francisco, as a train of three cars, each in non-contact, push-pull connection with the next. Related to what I call the Nikolayev Trailer Hitch. Nikolayev didn't mention any vortex, that I can recall.
Here's a demo from 2011:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUihboGkJnE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUihboGkJnE)
Its so easy to get lost with what you think you see and even draw pictures to what you want to see its all a mind game not reality and not proper science ! Also all magnetic abnormalities are due to space time curvature and imperial and metric magnetic charge ...... The detail is truly infinite a maze of possibilities .... You must begging to measure in imperial numbers not just metric including when you make a magnetic field as the charge and the harmonic geometry all will affect the out come .. But particle physics never lies and can never bee changed ... Its a shame you guys don't do physics !!!
I have the worlds only monopole magnetic field charger and it can magnetise any material ! Dimensional physics will also explain the term quantum manipulation so that a field can be sent into another dimension or be added between electron orbits or shells ...... you think u know magnetics hahahah you just got started !!!!!!!!! Every question I have for you , you can not answer you don't have the unified field ...... A magnetic field imprint can also be sent through time and space like a neutrino from one side of the planet to the other or in fact reverse in time like a photon .
Each ring magnet is in essence a polarised worm hole but not a vortex as the field can never spin !!! The sub atomic level is out of sight and you will never see it directly and all spin is due to gravity and space curvature and free electrons between atoms .... There is no vortex at that level ... The harmonics of the 5th note of any scale will resonate in the same way as the spin on the magnets so this it self is harmonic resonance !
Two ring magnets can also act like two empty tin cans with string attached and will amp up the sound so you can talk through it ! With magnetics in dimensional harmonics you can do the same thing from one side of the planet to the other .... you cant do that ONLY I CAN DO THAT !!!!!
I DONR WANT TO BANG MY DRUM TO HARD OR YOU WILL HEAR IT !!!!!!! R U READY FOR THE UNIFIDE FIELD ???? IF NOT THAN YOU WILL NEVER EVOLVE FROM THE POINT WHERE YOU ARE NOW !!!
ATOMMIX
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 13, 2014, 05:50:18 PM
Time to re-open the door to the 93rd dimension you came from and return to your home planet. ;D
Seriously however, seek help.
"Nature is screaming at you her secrets, but you are deaf and blind to it all"
- anonymous.
HAHAH YOUR A MIROR OF YOUR OWN REFLECTION !!!
I CAN SEND YOU A PHOTON FROM HERE CLOSE THE TIME AND SPACE AND IT WILL BE THERE ! WANA GIVE IT A TRY ? START WITH A PHOTON THAN AN ELECTRON EVEN A SOUND WAVE CAN EXCELORATE BEYOUND LIGHT ALONG THE MAGNETIC PATH ... I AM THE BEST THER IS MY FRIEND !
YOU KEEP UP THE PRITTY PICTURE SHOW FOR A SHILD TO COVER ANYTHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OR HIDE YOUR MISTAKES THATS A PERMINENT JOB YOU GOT GOING THERE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH !
The lens must be 2.2 degrees imperial or it wont work ! you will need my measuring rod to confirm space time curvature and the unified field in full harmonic format also you will need to know how to off set the resistance from radiation and sub space anomalies !
My team meet in 10 days to confirm the build site and the full project plan including all the money needed and where it comes from ! Do you like my polarised worm hole ? ahahahahah there 2 in your broken magnet picture mmmmmmmmmmmmm thanks hahahahahahah
Come on don't be daft let me send you a message down a string for real ! I will send it on a single string of flux from the earths magnet field but you will need my monopole magnetiser to make the receiving magnet ! COME AND MEET THE EARTH SCIENCE TEAM ! WE SIR ARE THE BEST THERE IS AND EVER WILL BE !
NICE PICTURES HAHAHAHAHAH LOL
KING MONKEY
Wow that is the funniest comment to 93rd, almost fell out of my chair.....
It's like the space alien beam might had an effect on him since he was close to them..
Sorry to see that here....
I do read his posts for as they are quite strange... it's like driving past good looking babe !!! and trying not too look..
Acca..... :)
Quote from: Acca on August 13, 2014, 11:55:39 PM
Wow that is the funniest comment to 93rd, almost fell out of my chair.....
It's like the space alien beam might had an effect on him since he was close to them..
Sorry to see that here....
I do read his posts for as they are quite strange... it's like driving past good looking babe !!! and trying not too look..
Acca..... :)
Its like looking at a train wreck with bodies thrown about, its a nightmare, but everyone has to stare a bit in both wonder and disgust.
Reminds me of a guy.......recently was guy I saw walking in the grocery store, he was wearing sheer see-thru pantyhose and you could see his junk.
Always good for a pathetic giggle of disgust and humor.
What would life be without these tinfoil hat crazies running about. The world is insane.
Let the crazy monkey dance.
Quote from: Acca on August 13, 2014, 11:55:39 PM
Acca..... :)
comments to PICS below:
James Clerk Maxwell's "idle wheel" analogy:
Below: I only recently came across J.C. Maxwell's vortex analogy and 'idler gear' comparison, which mirrored mine, except J.C. Maxwell did not grasp that unlike a mechanical idler gear which plays only a passive-effective interactive part in movement, the dielectric inertial plane, or 'idler' gear is the actual mover, the driver, so to speak. As is necessarily, logically, and absolutely the case to which dielectricity is by nature, being inertial, counterspatial, and creating magnetism as an Ether-modality in the discharge of itself. Also unfortunately J.C. Maxwell, while a strong supporter of the Ether, makes an Atomistic comparison of the "idler" gear of vortex reciprocation.
Below: On left redrawn correct analogy of dielectricity as the inertial driver (inverse to mechanical 'idler' gears). Middle and right are mechanical idle gears which mediation a passive-interactive role in movement and mechanical reciprocations.
Below: My discovery and formula for magnetic reciprocation given a perfect situation. To add to J.C. Maxwell's analogy, as I have discovered, that unlike machines, the "idler wheel" of what is 'driving magnetism' is the stationary inertial dielectric which is the prima causa, the Prime Mover of magnetic reciprocations; just the inverse to a mechanical 'idler gear'. This is the fundamental nature of dielectricity being the 'electrical inertia', and fundamental Ether-modality from which the other 3 are derived.
Quote from: Acca on August 13, 2014, 11:55:39 PM
Acca..... :)
Keep experimenting, everyone else can kiss your arse, ... they flap their lips. ;)
TheoriaApophasis: did you build your ferrocell yourself? Where can I get one?
Quote from: sierraloewe on August 14, 2014, 11:04:53 AM
TheoriaApophasis: did you build your ferrocell yourself? Where can I get one?
I assembled mine from the lens foundation
you can buy EITHER assembled, or just the lenses with the ferrofluid (special mixture) HERE:
If you want to build it yourself, I can tell you how, but either way, go here:http://www.revolution-labs.com/Handmade-Ferrofluid-cells/b/5244658011?ie=UTF8&title=Handmade+Ferrofluid+cells
(NO, i do not get any kickbacks for recommending you or anyone for a purchase from M. Snyder)
Hes a nice guy, and all his cells are precession hand built with a good bit of labor in their construction. ;)
You can get the "PRO" LED light assembly from LOWES/ Home Depot for $40
that would be RGB LEDS with a remote control, and also the VERY bright white "extension set" made by another company, ....all sold at Lowes (and Home Depot too if I recall).
As stated the flow of particles is the driving force not the magnetic lines as they only trap the flow of particles to produce the direction of speed for the wheel ! In what Maxwell has started confirms this I do not see an extension to the said Maxwell definition as a new discovery you have made ????? Maxwell latter in he's life formed the foundation formulas for the vacuum not a magnetic vortex ! A vacuum to which acts like any vacuum a flow of particles in and out ... I except that you have chosen an early discretion of Maxwell's work it would be a good idea to also consider the final formulas of the vacuum that is the final work of Maxwell .. To only turn a single stone among many and claim you have found what no other has found is questionable but interesting .
In our research we isolated a zero point magnetic 2.2kw motor at 4000 rpm ! The room in which it is operated in gets cooler the longer the system runs ! This would only confirm a vacuum not a vortex as a vortex would increase to flow and temperature of entropy . As my college has stated to in previous text a vortex requires entropy to grow that is the excepted standard in international physics not quantum mechanics ! Please place your system in a closed insulated box if the temperature is increased you will confirm the said vortex and yes that would be a new discovery .. If the temperature is decreased it is a vacuum and as said and confirmed in Maxwell's laws for the vacuum ! Maxwell's work and much latter after he's death formed the foundation of the now agreed zero point field !
Now we see you including time and space you will start to see the infinite mass which is always a condensed form of energy entrapped by its own vacuum not a vortex in sight ! Entropy will be the only form of indirect method to calculate such results, not a make it up as you go theory with your own formulas please use existing standard mathematics or it will not be excepted by us or any other independent that is now looking at your claims ! You are here in a public forum not an institution whom only dance to your logic so except some criticism detailed observations and a new and fresh perspective !
To us our aim is to isolate these particles and so far we are close to confirming them as bosons and gravitons , not a new type of particle just the ones we expected to see in many different combinations of technologies now being made all around the world ! There are many whom don't publish and one group we know in Israel have made outstanding advancements in holographic technologies with magnetic lensing ! To claim a discovery in this field is going to take a long time and a lot of talking with final proof confirmed by more than one independent observer ! Also the r would be many counter claims to the said claim !
Be advised on this and don't get so up set when others give facts that you wish not to consider in your claims or your reputation it self will hold a black mark of chaos over a non reality with a personality that will be ignored !
But having said this we appreciate you coming forward with your work and would like you to consider publishing it in a physics journal for correct and open debate among the real physicists of the science community !
Yours truly
Head of the earth science team
Captain cave man
Quote from: sierraloewe on August 14, 2014, 11:04:53 AM
TheoriaApophasis: did you build your ferrocell yourself? Where can I get one?
The patent is actually useful. (https://www.google.com/patents/US8246356?dq=8246356&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ot_sU86AM9froASU1ICwBA&sqi=2&pjf=1&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA)
" In an example, the
volume of ?uid 4 ranges from about 0.150 uL to about 2.0 ML,
per 25 cm2 of the surface area of surface 211 of lens 2. "
2.0mL/25cm^2 is about 1 cubic mm/25 cm^2... or part of a drop
Quote from: d3x0r on August 14, 2014, 12:16:36 PM
The patent is actually useful. (https://www.google.com/patents/US8246356?dq=8246356&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ot_sU86AM9froASU1ICwBA&sqi=2&pjf=1&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA)
" In an example, the
volume of ?uid 4 ranges from about 0.150 uL to about 2.0 ML,
per 25 cm2 of the surface area of surface 211 of lens 2. "
2.0mL/25cm^2 is about 1 cubic mm/25 cm^2... or part of a drop
Kinda, yeah, but no.
As the patent holder will tell you, it took him a VERY long time perfecting the mix, and there are secrets both in the type of optical glass properties and the ferrofluid mix, dilution etc.
and THAT INFORMATION is not in the patent data sheet.
Having myself invented a few new ferrofluid devices / suspensions, .......The RANGE of dilutions and mixtures of ferrofluid is like figuring out the secret formula for Coca Cola ;D
You can guess maybe 70% of it, the rest, youll be growing a beard before you figure it out.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 14, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
Kinda, yeah, but no.
As the patent holder will tell you, it took him a VERY long time perfecting the mix, and there are secrets both in the type of optical glass properties and the ferrofluid mix, dilution etc.
and THAT INFORMATION is not in the patent data sheet.
Having myself invented a few new ferrofluid devices / suspensions, .......The RANGE of dilutions and mixtures of ferrofluid is like figuring out the secret formula for Coca Cola ;D
You can guess maybe 70% of it, the rest, youll be growing a beard before you figure it out.
Yes the patent alludes that there may be a 'secret' ferrofluid mixture; but in practice it didn't require one.
The failure of my first experiments was to use too much fluid.
THe glass is actually said in the patent that it can be basically anything that's transparent.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 14, 2014, 12:26:13 PM
THe glass is actually said in the patent that it can be basically anything that's transparent.
Haaa "THe glass is actually said in the patent that it can be basically anything that's transparent."
TRANSLATION of the patent owner........: "I/we dont have to give you that specific information"
;D
As it should be
Because I KNOW that isnt true at ALL, the "anything transparent" part. :o ;D
I snagged a FLIR (forward looking infrared camera)
heres some photos took, just got it yesterday.
What If i told you I have a way to film the vortex in application with this thermal imager ??????????????
Yeah, I said that. ;) ;) ;)
Picture of my friend with his cat on his back at his house took today,
pic of microwave cooking some food
pic of his wife by the window with the kitty
Filming the magnetic vortex with a thermal imager!!!!! (HOW??????? I will not say.........................YET)
FLIR , thermal IR
Hmmm, is that a 6" giant neodymium that has NOT been touched in days just "sitting there" hotter than the environment???
YUP
Is that thermal reflectance? Nope.
The object sitting there not moving is SPINNING at tremendous speeds. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
FLIR,
showing more light being 'sucked' in along the dielectric inertial plane
more light, more heat
I made these pics tonight
Well, nobody has EVER seen a magnet doing this before
2 part video series........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJvIMU7JYM
.................Better yet, i EXPECTED THIS to happen before doing it. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Lux et Veritas
Your getting closer ! But where are the temperature values ?????? Also alpha particles will be attracted to that magnet and that will change temperature all kinds of radiation will be attracted to it and that will throw you way off the button !!!! Glad to see entropy its about time !!!
Check out the current to earth ! Place a wire from the magnet to a long copper rod in the earth !!! But there is no sign of entropic movement but think boson to graviton as the vortex particles not the magnetic field ... You will need to detect them and there spiralling vector ! The only way is to take a entropic measurement in water for entropy it should be stable and at unity ! WEIGH IT WITH AN ATOMIC SCALE in and out of the water .... And the frequency of its mass will show particle interaction ! The frequency at the centre to the frequency on the OD of the magnet will be slightly different if there is a vortex .... BUT ITS NOT A MAGNETIC VORTEX IT WILL BE A SUB ATOMIC PARTICLE VORTEX OR THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO YOU ................
That is a big RED so it will be challenged and if you are tweaking the pictures your get stuffed faster than a turkey in a homeless shelter set up for nut jobs and runaway con men !!!
If you want to win you must not cheat and it must be the same measurements for an out side independent using the same set up ! But at the end of the day it looks like a simple vacuum ! Maxwell went from vortex to vacuum than died ! Nothing wrong with a vacuum ! I want to final the number of particles in that vacuum thanks for the pictures ....
I can do that just by looking at your picture can you ?????????????????????
me
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 15, 2014, 12:42:41 PM
Your getting closer ! But where are the temperature values ????
there you go son
Don't jump to quick TA THE RED IS UNIFORMED THATS A VACUM, IF ITS A VORTEX IT WILL HAVE A HIGHER TEMPRITURE IN THE CENTRE !
I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST BUT YOU WISH TO RETURN THE VALUES BACK TO A VORTEX AND THAT WILL COMPLETLY SEND MY WORK IN ANOTHER DIRECTION ! To many it means nothing to me its everything !
When you check out the charge from magnet to earth if your right than slowly there will appear a deeper red in the centre of the magnet and I mean the centre inside the magnet not the surface ! But give it a few hours or even a couple of days and the heat should rise if the vortex is there ! But again it will be a particle vortex not a magnetic vortex ! That's ok don't get to greedy you can only have what there is !
I am doing a modal to work out the mass hitting the magnet but that's only the dam mass not the group of particles or what order they will be in ????? I want bosons and gravitons alpha particles and nothing else ! Check everything including power lines there to many unknowns at this point ... Think it through more you must make sure no other radiation is hitting the magnet and that is not going to be easy .... Nothing like this is ever easy !!!!
I will not rule out dark matter as dark matter may be hiding between field line in the earths magnetic field but entropy and dark matter if confirmed is far more important than a vortex !!! You need a cheep high volt iron ball you can get one from maplins !!! Anyone can make pictures but not anyone can make fundamental demonstrable finite calculations in physics and you need them we need them the world needs them ...
At this point no vortex but a good vacuum ! That could change ???????????? but definitely no cog wheels wtf ??? why did you have to put them up ?????? r u nuts ???? stick to the particle fields you need to isolate its a very busy dense mass not a cog wheel ??? its not a toy !!!!
keep going I want the bosons and the gravitons I have a time line for the red to particle equation ! But if you are near a power linee forget it ! Go to a very high spot and do it in a heat box at night !!!!!! Good luck !!!!! and don't call me son ok son hahahaha
me
Thanks for the latest video clips of magnets with FLIR.. Those are very good looking images of the big magnet..
Will try that with liquid nitrogen and FLIR.. As you have made this possible.. Votrex has to have a higher temp that ambient since it's a dynamic spinning sysyem.. That in it's self would be a Noble P......
Acca..
Quote from: Acca on August 15, 2014, 04:04:53 PM
Thanks for the latest video clips of magnets with FLIR.. Those are very good looking images of the big magnet..
Will try that with liquid nitrogen and FLIR.. As you have made this possible.. Votrex has to have a higher temp that ambient since it's a dynamic spinning sysyem.. That in it's self would be a Noble P......
Acca..
Ive got 2 dewers, I might try some LN2 if I ever find time
i made sure i was not getting thermal body heat reflection in the shots
You need all the particles confirmed in the right order ! There is no easy work here !
me
Quote from: Acca on August 15, 2014, 04:04:53 PM
Acca..
I was replicating this one tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ7fMVp_O5s#t=10
using light to manipulate pyrolytic graphite over magnets
however their understanding of HOW or WHY it works is dead wrong.
it literally causes the pyrolytic graphite to "shoot" magnetism out the other side, which impels its motion TOWARDS the light and away from its own magnetic ejecta.
Just been looking at a thing at RIKEN which seemed to be on the lines of
what's goin' on on this thread. Could be of interest to someone.
John.
Sucking light in TA on the Dielectric edge ?????? hahahah your freaking me out son hahahahaha wtf ?????????????? ! The only way is on an old theory of the abundance of tiny black holes in the fabric of space !!! It is impossible in another way !!! Nothing in this universe can do that !!! The edge is always the event horizon and would be where these black holes could collect using magnets .. Also I have some very interesting shapes of iron sheets that suck in very large amounts of magnetic field lines but the iron never becomes magnetic . We calculated the flux and the spacing in-between all the atoms and all the particles and there was not enough room for all the flux to be stored so where did it all go ??????? We call it dimensional tunnelling .... There was nothing else we could call it !!!
So now we have polarised dielectric sub atomic black holes in your pictures and now I see them for the first time mmmmm thanks TA ........... That is also a conformation of a door to another world with different geometry to us and can simply co exist at a different energy level like a world made of dark matter that is inside our atomic world order .... We have found the home of another world !!!
Now its starting to make sense mmmmmmmmm I have a door knocker no joke and with TAs pictures we can begging to see into the other hidden world !!!
Its going to get very freaky in here hahahahahaha knock knock knock hello its me again hahaha go and visit TA and do your thing hahahaha
SO PEOPLE WHO IS GOING IN ?????????????TA IT HAS TO BE YOU FIRST HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA LOL XXXX
ME
Quote from: minnie on August 16, 2014, 04:56:40 PM
Just been looking at a thing at RIKEN which seemed to be on the lines of
what's goin' on on this thread. Could be of interest to someone.
John.
I just read that, it made me want to PUKE ;D ;D
Electrons and quantum bullshit
n research published today in Nature Communications, researchers Franco Nori and Konstantin Bliokh from the RIKEN Center for Emergent Matter Science in Japan, in collaboration with an experimental team in Austria, have made the first direct observations of free-electron Landau states—a form of quantized states that electrons adopt when moving through a magnetic field—and found that the internal rotational dynamics of quantum electrons, or how they move through the field, is surprisingly different from the classical model, and in line with recent quantum-mechanical predictions made at RIKEN.
The experimental team used a transmission electron microscope to generate nanometer-sized electron vortex beams in which the electrons had a variety of quantum angular-momentum states, and then analyzed the beam propagation to reconstruct the rotational dynamics of the electrons in different Landau states. According to classical physics, the electrons should rotate uniformly at what is called the cyclotron frequency, the frequency adopted by a charged particle moving through a magnetic field. Remarkably, what the researchers discovered is that in fact, depending on the quantum number describing the angular momentum, the electrons rotated in three different ways with zero frequency, the cyclotron frequency, and the Larmor frequency, which is half the cyclotron frequency. This shows that the rotational dynamics of the electrons are more complex and intriguing than was once believed.
According to Franco Nori, who leads the RIKEN team, "This is a very exciting finding, and it will contribute to a better understanding of the fundamental quantum features of electrons in magnetic fields, and help us to reach a better understanding of Landau states and various related physical phenomena."
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Fucking hell, these goddamn idiots and the INSANE SHIT they think up with quantum horseshit.
I can explain with Euclidean math and geometry with ease. My god these &#*((@@ idiot pseudo-intellectual morons on that website
Its a Euclidean HYPERBOLOID, I can explain it to a 10 year old, they fuck up everything with electrons and Quantum bullshit that doesnt exist.
Morons are calling it a "QUANTUM Landau state"
I N S A N E
@ Tinman / others
Quote from: Floor on August 16, 2014, 08:30:02 PM
@ Tinman / others
Yes, you can see youtube user SUPERMAGNET MAN demonstrate this
He used to to own a magnet business, I know him, hes friends with my most close associate, see his videos where he uses a Gauss meter to show you the difference
Exposing a FAKE below, he says "I didnt say perpetual magnet!!!"
Yeah.......he did!!
YOU ARE SO DUM AND A STUPID ENVIOUS LITTLE BOY !!! AGAIN YOU FEAR TRUTH AND PARTICLE REALITY !! IT ALWAYS ENDS UP WITH YOUR BLIND OVER POWERING EGO LEADING A TINY BRAIN LOST IN SILLY PICTURES YOU DONT OR EVER WILL UNDERSTAND !!
BLACK HOLES ARE THE ONLY WAY LIGHT CAN BEND AS GRAVITY IS CYRVING THE SPACE TIME FABRIC !!!! NOW SON YOU HAVE UP SET ME AND I WILL NOT FORGIVE THAT ..............INSULT !!!!!
SO FAR YOUR LITTLE PTICTURE BRAIN IS FIREING BACWARDS INSIDE OUT AND HAVE ONLY YOUR SELF IN THE FRAME ! YOU WILL NEVER BE EXCEPTED AS A SCIENTIST AS YOU REFUSE TO LEARN EVEN THE BARE BASICS OF PHYICS ....
WITHOUT THE FINITE MATHAMATICS OF PARTICLE PHYSICS ONE IS LOST IN A WORLD OF CHAOS AND IN THE MIND SET YOU HAVE JUST DEMONSTRATED NO DOUBT YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT YOU HOLD THE MIND OF AN 8 YEAR OLD WITH A PHTSCOTIC PERSONALITY ...............
I HAVE NOW CHOSEN TO FULLY BUILD THE PHOTON GATE AND TAKE YOU ON A LITTLE TOUR OF REALITY ONE THAT YOU HAVE REFUSED TO SEE OR EXCEPT AS REAL BECAUSE YOU CAN EVEN MESSURE THE LENGHT OF YOUR BIG FAT HEAD SO BIG THERE IS NO ROOM FOR A FUNCTIONAL BRAIN LET ALONE A SINGLE BRAIN CELL ...
YUR BOOK IS THE BIGEST LOAD OF CRAP EVER WRITTEN THAT ONE CAN ONLY PUT IT IN THE BIN AND MARKED AS UNREADIBLE INSAINE AND MADE IN A LANGUAGE ONLY YOU CAN UNDERSTAND ...
YOUR ANGER IS DEVELOPED AROUND A SIMPLE FACT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG OVER THE SO CALLED MAGNETIC VORTEX THAT NOW IS AS DEAD AS YOUR BRAIN ///....
THE COSMOLOGICAL PRINCIBLE STANDS AS THE FINEST WORKS EVER WRITTEN BY ANY HUMAN ON THIS EARTH AND IS ONE YOU WILL NEED TO STUDY TO LEARN THE MEANING OF LIFE IT SELF ............
WE TOLD YOU TO USE ENTROPY AND FINALY YOU DID AND FOUND ONLY A RED BLOB AS THE SAME AS WE ALL DO NOTHING ELSE ...............
I CHALLANGE YOUR BOOK AND YOU ALL THE WAY TO THE ENDS OF TIME AND SPACE ...............................................................................
YOU WILL NEVER WIN AS THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE ARE SET AS SOLID AS THE DAY THEY WERE MADE ...................................................
YOU KNOW NOTHING AND THAT IS BECAUSE YOUR AN IDIOT TRYING TO SALE YOUR BOOK OF MUMBO JUMBO .............................................
YOU THINK YOU ARE A MASTER OF MAGNETICS BUT YOU ARE A BEGINNER AN UP START A NON EQUATION A BLIP A TINY SPECK OF A TRILLION BILLION INSULTS ...
YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG AND YOU WILL NEVER EVER FIND A MAGNETIC VORTEX OR THE LIGHT YOU SO DREAM OF ..........................
I SIR AM THE STUDENT OF TRUTH HONESTY AND ONE THAT IS ONLY HERE TO TEACH YOU THE ERROR OF YOUR WAYS ..................................
CHECK MATE
REGARDS
MICHAEL RICHARDSON
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 16, 2014, 09:53:26 PM
AGAIN YOU FEAR TRUTH AND PARTICLE REALITY
A: particles dont exist
B: its all Fields, waves of fields and stable (for a time, however seemingly forever to dumb humans) field condensates (fundamental nucleal particle).
C: Greeks destroyed ATOMISM 2000 years ago, but it still lives in the minds of fools
The word you will never understand, " FIELD" Is the basis OF everything and is BEHIND everything
Fields are not particles , son. Poor boy
Particles are likely to not exist....
Nassim Haramein: Sacred Geometry And Unified Fields (Full Version) 1:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFTMiVs4VhY
He makes several interesting observations about 'particles' and how they are assumed to be of a character after stripping 'negative particles' from them they think they have a 'positive core' but that's not really the original particle... kind of like how biologists studing DNA are looking at dead cells and noting 'dna is a complex tangled mess' since it's really hard to observe a cell that is still alive... and observation of course influences the thing being seen...
also goes on to describe the creation of 'weak force' as a 'force which makes equations work' it's not a real thing... it's just that the equations were wrong in the first place, and rather than fixing them, they applied a false correction...
also something along the lines of 'the entire mass of the universe is represented within the field of a proton'... His paper has turned out to be rather true, although still gets lots of rotten eggs thrown from 'conventional physicists'... cannot say I grok it fully, but it's defiantly along the lines that particles aren't actually real...
TA,
Speaking of pseudoscience, do you plan to perform additional experiments to either support or refute the extraordinary claims you made regarding your FLIR observations?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 16, 2014, 10:54:36 PM
extraordinary claims you made regarding your FLIR observations?
Your subtle brand of bullshit has no affect on me son. Ive debated the best alive on abstruse points, and you are not even in their class.
Its like telling someone they look lovely except for the giant wart on their face which is hideous.
You can play others, but you cannot play me son. ;D
Extraordinary "claim", such as what, genuine FLIR video??
Extraordinary: radiation = heat yes, thats "extraordinary"
Extraordinary: field reciprocation and gyromagnetic precession = heat ...... yes thats "extraordinary"
Extraordinary: Magnetic induction in AC lines causes HEATING............. yes....thats "extraordinary" ,......no , wait, thats a well know goddamn fact. ;D
You mean THAT kind of Extraordinary? Pathetic.
pedal it down the road of Quantum unicorns where you belong. Suggest you research this topic boy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_heating
Quote from: d3x0r on August 16, 2014, 10:46:27 PM
Particles are likely to not exist....
Nassim Haramein: Sacred Geometry And Unified Fields (Full Version) 1:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFTMiVs4VhY
Hes right on that, at least in that lecture.
modern scum are atomistic demon-seed trash, they created a universe of BULLSHIT and QUANTUM RAINBOWS.
Anyone with genuine wisdom knows that metaphysics and physics are one thing only, not two.
Modern scum have detonated metaphysics with the illogical crystal rubbing SCUM that now uses the term "metaphysics".
Originally, to the Greeks and Egyptians, they knew they were ONE thing only, just diff. branches of the study of the SAME THING.
Nassim Haramein sometimes go into the Quantum BS , which is wrong, and he references that goon Einstein way too much, Tesla knew Einstein was demented and a fool.
Nassim Haramein needs to reference Tesla and others, not scum like Einstein.
TA,
I was not at all trying to be subtle. I was trying to be kind.
I will take your response to mean 'no". Apparently you stand by your extraordinary claims and feel no need to perform any additional experiments that may or may not support your claims.
This seems to be a pattern with you regarding what you consider to be an "experiment" that proves something.
PW
Quote from: d3x0r on August 16, 2014, 10:46:27 PM
Nassim Haramein:
Nassim Haramein has 100% no grasp of electrical theory as per Tesla, Faraday and others.
100% NOTHING.
pic below from his lecture.
Like the CULT OF QUANTUM he thinks an atom is "99.9999999% empty space", which is both bullshit and impossible,
that "air" holding up EVERY atom in Picometer radius is magneto-dielectricity.
If he wants to call a NON-PARTICLE field(S) "empty", thats one thing, but he does NOT, he actually says its "empty" which is 100% pure bullshit.
Empty is always a QUALIFIER in both metaphysics (greek and Egyptian, logical) AND in physics
X is empty of Y, etc etc. its common via negativa / neti neti.
Or greek Apophasis
PIC BELOW OF PURE BS:
Quote from: picowatt on August 16, 2014, 11:12:07 PM
Apparently you stand by your extraordinary
Nice claim boy,
thats what i meant by "SUBTLE BULLSHIT"claims are for:
1. assholes
2. children
3. fools
4. Sophists
which of those 4 are you? There is nothing extraordinary in calling and proving radiation = HEAT (damn you're an idiot) ;D
TA,
You are the one that jumped to conclusions and made "claims" regarding your FLIR observations.
The only claim that I infer is that your conclusions were not based on proper experimental procedure to rule out the more obvious causes of your observations.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 16, 2014, 11:26:59 PM
were not based on proper experimental procedure
Prove it son.
Go buy a FLIR and prove me wrong, post the results.
again, another claim.
Spoken like a true sophistic monkey
TA,
Well then, I was apparently correct in my previous post when I replied:
"I will take your response to mean 'no". Apparently you stand by your extraordinary claims and feel no need to perform any additional experiments that may or may not support your claims."
I suppose we should all go out and buy magnets to heat our homes with this winter...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 16, 2014, 11:42:19 PM
Apparently you stand by your extraordinary claims and feel no need to perform any additional experiments that may or may not support your claims."
I suppose we should all go out and by magnets to heat our homes with this winter...
NICE STRAWMAN FALLACY ASSHOLE,
I reported only a 2.5 to 4 degree difference.
I love your fucking strawman fallacies, son.
I dont see you performing ANY experiments to the contrary.......
... as such, UNTIL YOU DO, Go pound sand, boy. "any additional experiments "...............FOR WHAT? Ive done so now 14 times, ...........to prove what? Something to a closed mined FOOL and demented moron like you?
Its YOUR JOB to refute the evidence presented, go piss off and do the counter-experiments (which you wont, you lazy worm)
I suspect mental midgets of your ILK are why Tesla said this:
February 9, 1935 issue of Liberty magazine:
TA,
As you failed to provide any color/gray scale versus temperature chart for the FLIR images provided, how are we to know? You show the magnet in front of the CRT as being 82 degrees or so (even though the curved side and non-reflective sticker was apparently cooler). If you are changing the scale for various images, it would be wise to provide a temp scale.
In any event, your claims are extraordinary and highly doubtful.
As for your harsh invective, I will just consider that as projection on your part.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 17, 2014, 12:07:19 AM
TA,
As you failed to provide any color/gray scale versus temperature chart for the FLIR images provided, how are we to know? You show the magnet in front of the CRT as being 82 degrees or so (even though the curved side and non-reflective sticker was apparently cooler). If you are changing the scale for various images, it would be wise to provide a temp scale.
In any event, your claims are extraordinary and highly doubtful.
The latest video I made last night DID provide a TEMP SCALE.
Your doubt is no goddamn concern of mine in the slightest. Go buy a FLIR, do the experiments, and prove me wrong, worm.
You're a sophist and a chimp, I am not interested in your brand of BS. Go prove me wrong and learn something (for a change) in the process.
You are the FIRST demented monkey I have come across that is unknown to the fact that radiation is TRANSLATIONAL into HEAT generation
Tell me, who sells that brand of stupid, and how do we shut them down???
Quote from: Floor on August 16, 2014, 08:30:02 PM
@ Tinman / others
I am also interested by this kind of measurement, because I have not found it anywhere! I'll do it myself when I will receive the Hall linear sensors, and will post here the result.
SaDAng
I call this 6 MIN. STOVETOP MAGNETIC LEVITATION!!
Decided to FINALLY make a video of this method tonight ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSjDJgD7fO8
;D ;D
$20 for 1 POUND of 99.95% PURE BISMUTH (however I bought some time ago 35 pounds CHEAP).
the bottom of coke cans (or beer cans, whatever the hell you drink!)
take a CRUDE chunk like below, melt it on the stoptop (ONLY MELT PURE PURE BISMUTH!!!!)
takes 6 mins or so to melt, pour it into the bottom of your coke cans, let cool, pop out, and TAAA DAAAAAAAAAA DIAMAGNETIC BISMUTH DISKS FOR BUILDING YOUR OWN MAGNETIC LEVITATION DEVICE!!!!
1 pound will fill 4 CAN BOTTOMS, meaning 2 COMPLETE sets of levitation devices.
go from CRUMBLY metal to smoooooth as a babys ass disks ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D........bismuth is JUST above lead in weight, so its some VERY heavy stuff.
Make a BISMUTH NEO MAGGIE LEVITATOR!!
Oh, I wore a mask just for the hell of it, however with pure bismuth you really dont have to.
Is Bismuth RADIOACTIVE? YES.....and no, ....mostly NO.
Physicists in France have measured the longest ever radioactive half-life - over twenty billion billion years - in a naturally occurring element that decays by emitting alpha-particles. Nőel Coron and colleagues at the Institut d'Astrophysique Spatiale in Orsay used a 'scintillating bolometer' at very low temperatures to detect the emission of alpha particles – charged particles that consist of two protons and two neutrons – as bismuth-209 decays into thallium-205
Although bismuth-209 is commonly thought to be the heaviest stable isotope that exists in nature, theory suggests that it should be metastable and decay via alpha-particle emission to thallium-205. This decay is not easy to measure because the alpha particles generated have very little energy, which means that the isotope decays at a very low rate.
and of course , you can grow pretty Bismuth crystals like below:
TA YOUR ONE SICK INVERTED HOLE !!! YOU CANT EVEN DO ONE SIMPLE EXSPERIMENT !!! AND FINALY THE PROOF THAT NO MAGNETIC VORTEX EXISITS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED SO YOU DAFT BOOK IS FULL OF NOTHING AND YOU KNOW IT .................................... METAPHYSICS IS A REALITY BEYOUND YOUR COMPREHENSION AND QUATOUM MACHANICS IS AN IMPOSIBLITY FOR YOU TO LEARN OR EXSEPT ! SO NORMAL SIMPLE PHYSICS IS ALL YOU CAN DO YET YOU CANT ADD UP CAN YOU SO FORGET IT SON ......
PARTICLES RULE
YUO STUPID DUM HOLE IGNERANET DUBBLE GLAZING SALES MAN
YOU KEEP USEING TERMS THAT PREVOKE PEOPLE TO LOOK AT YOUR WORK AND NEVER PROVE THEM AS REALITY ITS ALL A CON ! THAN YOU TRY AND ACT LIKE AN INTELIGENT BEING BUT CANT HELP ABUSING PEOPLE SO THAT MY SON IS PURE MENTAL PHYSCOTIC FANTUM MENISSS AN IDIOT WHO NEED TO BE SEE BY A DR FOR A TREATMENT THAT DOES NOT YET EXISIT ! YOU MY SON ARE ONE SICK MAN YOU NEED HELP FAST .......
PARTICLES RULE
TRY AND COUNT ENERGY WITHOUT THEM AND YOU HAVE NOTHING THAT WILL MAKE ENERGY OR ENTROPY YOU DUMMY SOUP BRAIN !
COME WITH ME SON I WILL INTRODUCE TO YOU A REAL DEMON AND IF YOU UP SET HIM HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU ALONE COME ON SON ITS TIME FOR THE GHOST FIELD I WANT YOU TO RUN FOR YOUR LIFE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU STUPID MUG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
REGARDS
THE HOLY GHOST
testing the Bismuth
We know ! you idiot ! Now take the hot magnet down into the ground at 500 m and you will find what we found a cool normal heat signal ! That my son is proof you are wrong about everything ! and the magnet suspended over the tin can is suspended its not levitating is it ........... you silly boy !!!
So the summery so far is there is no dielectric on the edge of the magnet and there is no magnetic vortex and Maxwell's vacuum is what is attracting radiation to the magnet ok boy you silly ignorant rude selfish nincompoop hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha I win again that's 5 points to me and zero point to you ! I keep full account of my winnings !!!!
You must now change the term magnetic vortex to Maxwell's magnetic vacuum and also reject the dielectric formulas you have made ! Particles rule and dimensional rules apply !
Regards
king monkey
King monkey,
you sure are a joker! Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
John.
Quote from: sadang on August 17, 2014, 01:57:42 AM
I am also interested by this kind of measurement, because I have not found it anywhere! I'll do it myself when I will receive the Hall linear sensors, and will post here the result.
SaDAng
On a slightly related note, the flux swept by a radius of the Faraday Disc does not detect a constant changing flux by a curl-meter. A curl meter is a device to probe the field for studying the curl of the field. It responds to the circulation of the field. So, a test should also be done with a curl meter to see if there are any variations of the linked flux by sweeping the radius of a Faraday Disc when using an EM.
Reference: Electromagnetic Induction and the Conservation of Momentum in the Spiral Paradox (http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0012/0012009.pdf)
Gravock
DID YOU READ THAT TA??????
THE FARADY DISC DOES NOT READ A CURRENT HAHAHAHAH SO THAN SON YOU LOST WITH MAXWELL AND THE VACCUM STANDS PROUD THAK YOU GOD !!! AND GOD IS NOT YET A MAGNETIC HAHAHAH NOW SON LETS SEE YOU ATTACK FARADAY HAHAHAHHA .......... COME ON HAHAHAHAH WHERE IS THE MAGNETIC VORTEX ???? HAHAHAHAH
THE DEMON I KNOW IS REAL VERY REAL ! HE LIVES IN AN OLD HOUSE THAT MY FRIEND OWNS BUT MY FRIEND WILL NEVER STEP FOOT IN THAT HOUSE EVER AGAIN EVERY NOW AND THAN SOME OF US GO ROUND TO WIND UP THIS DEMON HAHAHAH FOR REAL !!! HE HAS A SENSE OF HUMMER AND LOVE A PINT OR TWO NO JOKE .... JUST BEFOR HE ARIVES ICE IS FORMED ON THE WINDOWS AND WALLS THAN HE NORMAIL PICKS UP A VERY LARGE TABLE AND SLAMS IT ON THE GROUND ! IS THAT THE DIELECTRIC EFFECT TA HAHAHAHAH HE CAN ROCK THE WHOLE HOUSE AND OFFTEN KICKS THE DOOR DOWN ... I LOVE HIM A LOT OF FUN ..... HAHAHA WHEN WE LEAVE WE LEAVE A CREATE OF BEAR NUTS AND A FULL SUNDAY ROST WHEN WE RETURN THERE IS NEVER A CAN IN SIGHT HAHAHAHAH FOR REAL !!!!
SO DOES THAT MEAN THERE IS ANOTHER DIMENTION ?????????????? A WORLD WITHIN OUR WORLD ???????????????? TA LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO HIM I WILL LOCK YOU IN FOR THE WEEK END AND DO A LIVE ON THE OU SPECIAL HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I WILL ALSO SUMMON UP MAXWELL AND FARADSY THERE ALL ALIVE SON !!! THERE IS NO DEATH !!!! OH SORRY YOUR BOOK IS NOW DEAD HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
X LOL X
Quote from: gravityblock on August 17, 2014, 02:09:20 PM
On a slightly related note, the flux swept by a radius of the Faraday Disc does not detect a constant changing flux by a curl-meter. A curl meter is a device to probe the field for studying the curl of the field. It responds to the circulation of the field. So, a test should also be done with a curl meter to see if there are any variations of the linked flux by sweeping the radius of a Faraday Disc when using an EM.
Reference: Electromagnetic Induction and the Conservation of Momentum in the Spiral Paradox (http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0012/0012009.pdf)
Gravock
Thanks for suggestion, but right now I can't afford a curl-meter. And if I think better I believe I'm not interested in this kind of measurement. I just want to be sure the strenght of the two poles are the same at different specific distances from a magnet!
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on August 17, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
Thanks for suggestion, but right now I can't afford a curl-meter. And if I think better I believe I'm not interested in this kind of measurement. I just want to be sure the strenght of the two poles are the same at different specific distances from a magnet!
SaDAng
I would predict that where there is an edge or point, that flux is strongest (pyramid/cone magnets esp. as used for spark gap quenching ... charged stream deflector )
if it were made like a meat tendorizer (or frozen ferrofluid on a maget, as the points develop) then each point would be a individual strong point of flux.
a sphere magnet has no increased flux except the pole, with a gradual fade to the bloch wall (or maybe it's an increase as you get more north and south).
just my hypothesis... so far we've only hear TA say there is more flux on the edge of a magnet
Quote from: d3x0r on August 17, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
just my hypothesis... so far we've only hear TA say there is more flux on the edge of a magnet
HELL, I told you there is a youtube video on same, and YES, there is MUCH higher gauss at the edge of maggie.
HERE IT IS:::::
start watching at 2:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWYAFJuq7M&list=UUh3cY-IW8QsEFmAh-TAWwrw
BY THE WAY, I INVENTED SOMETHING WHOLLY NEW, ITS AMAZING, POSTING VIDEO NOW ON IT.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 17, 2014, 08:47:19 PM
HELL, I told you there is a youtube video on same, and YES, there is MUCH higher gauss at the edge of maggie.
HERE IT IS:::::
start watching at 2:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWYAFJuq7M&list=UUh3cY-IW8QsEFmAh-TAWwrw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWYAFJuq7M&list=UUh3cY-IW8QsEFmAh-TAWwrw)
BY THE WAY, I INVENTED SOMETHING WHOLLY NEW, ITS AMAZING, POSTING VIDEO NOW ON IT.
nice one; that's quite a chunk of copper :)
and quite a chunk of magnet
but... what about the areas inbetween... scalesup? dips down and then goes back up?
Quote from: d3x0r on August 17, 2014, 09:12:40 PM
but... what about the areas inbetween... scalesup? dips down and then goes back up?
thats the low intermediate zone.
intermediate is low between center and edge (relatively).
100% as per my model of how magneto-dielectricity MUST conjugate itself in a "magnet".
And the funny thing is that just about everything that Kenny has been freaking out about is answered in these two pictures.
If you don't try to understand what the picture is saying then you will never get it. There is no point in freaking out over macro effects if you don't start with this level of understanding and mastering the understanding and application of this basic fundamental building block. For example, seeing higher Gauss measurements at the edge of a magnet? Big deal, it's perfectly explained by what you see here. No kidding, you just have to apply the knowledge by using your wits. Serious food for thought.
There is simply no point in looking at other examples without understanding the root cause for the very existence of the magnetic field. It really and truly explains essentially everything. You start here and then you learn Faraday's Law and some other fundamentals and then just about everything will fall into place and become crystal clear and Kenny will be swept away because you will understand and be able to separate the seed from the chaff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waTF7kjmmt8&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waTF7kjmmt8&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg)
Distinti has good information on edge currents.
Gravock
Quote from: MileHigh on August 17, 2014, 09:46:58 PM
There is simply no point in looking at other examples without understanding the root cause for the very existence of the magnetic field.
You really are dead from the NECK UP.
I dont know what is more stunning, your ignorance, or your ignorance of your own ignorance.
Point charge ;D ;D ;D stop yanking my chain.
Points don't exist, girlfriend, nobody can make a point. Like "emptiness", its a BS fucking concept that does NOT EXIST
make a point.... ;D You cannot do it.
takes a LINE to make a point, and takes a POINT to make a line.
get that simple shit? You have no idea the stuff I have discovered. I even blew my own mind out today testing a theory I thought would yield results, .....well, it has.
Youre a lip flapping tea cozy.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 17, 2014, 09:46:58 PM
And the funny thing is that just about everything that Kenny has been freaking out about is answered in these two pictures.
+1 :)
I was curious about the speed of a magnetic field... and if there was any experimental information... I found a lack of experiments.
"What is the speed of the field of effect of magnetism?"
Lots of answers about 'well it's a radio wave' but it's not... that's electro-magnetic wave... but a the field from dielectrics is just magnetic... actually there's 2 fields of a dielectric... or 1, and electrostatic charge field is the same as electro-active charge .... (blah I'm no good with this vernacular.. .have to apply too many descriptors to words to write in 'the-action-of' terminology instead of just 'is-a' terms.)
in a more static behavior, charged particles exibit a field of electrostatic (van de graff generator - if you need I can demnostrate... but some of it is actually hard to show....) like your bismuth force thing, which a diagram might be more useful (esp what's the torque force? is it just a translation effect? {with the ring on a cylinder and bismuth demo} ) but... when a probe discharges to the globe, depending on the charge stored, there is a physical attraction on the stick, that pulls in the probe as it sparks... unless a certain distance away whee the discharge is more like a spreading haze pattern of lines instead of one large spark in the middle of where the comb discharge happens..... (a momentary magnetic attraction?) ... i drew that once...
but anyway the large spark is attractive and the comb is hardly felt... sorta an event horizon whether the force is felt or not...
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so TA what's the reason that plates separate in say a gold-leaf electrometer?
What about an experiment to measurable the delay?
something like as if 1 moving charge passing a point, 1) how far can its detectable field extend vs the position of the moving charge generating it? Or is it simultaneous along the full length of the conduit? Or is the detection of it time delayed?
an amp is a really really big number...
1 nA/uS= 6241 dielectrics passing a point in space
1 uA/uS = 6241000000 dielectrics passing a point in space
I guess it's not that big...
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But that's also from a macro perspective... how far does the charge move? If it moves in a conductive layer of metals... one would suppose it made a hop and then stopped on the next electron... Dollard started to make a comment along the lines of 'resistance causes magnetism'... 'magnetism is from a charge stopping'... but has yet to continue that thought in anything written since...
but anyway back on the experiment, if a impulse current pass a point, and had 2 offset points within the detectable range... could somehow measure whether both detectors passed at the same time or one before the other?
If the magnetic field of a moving particle inducts in something (is detected) does that particle continue to move to be detected again?
Quote from: d3x0r on August 17, 2014, 11:36:25 PM
"What is the speed of the field of effect of magnetism?"
the HUGE equation for that is in CP Steinmetz's work, and believe it or NOT, nobody has EVER performed the experiment to test it.
There is a long standing "what the fuck??" about that fact among some folks.
There is a space-time paradox in measuring magnetic field , as
Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko writes about in EXHAUSTIVE LONG LONG DETAILS WITH NEW EQUATIONS.
The reason for that, is that magnetism is a
Poincare' disk extrapolation of a charge in discharge with a
resultant spatial vector but no point of temporal CAUSATIVE measurement.
Okay I got way side tracked.
Point charge; was entirely what my last question is about; since there is no proper definition I guess TA cannot translate the question either...
Would sora appreciate the proper terms for asking about things.
The force that affects gold leaf electrometer (thing)
the force that affects 2 wires to attract each other with opposing currents
the force that holds a balloon I rub on my hair and stick to the wall
the force that drives franklin bells...
all from a charge field.
The problem with grasping that mangetism is a result of a continuous discharge, is 'discharge' imples 2 potentials that something moves from one to the other... just like {aero/hydro}dynamics pressure gradients... something would have to keep them replenished and charging (pressurizing) as much as they are discharging...
please show a similie of single sided continuous discharge (other than a magnet as you have defined... in math we call that a 'given' )
If it is a discharge like radiation such as uranium or better carbon-14... what is the halflife of magnetism? Sometime approaching infinity?
Quote from: d3x0r on August 17, 2014, 11:43:43 PM
The problem with grasping that mangetism is a result of a continuous discharge, is 'discharge' imples 2 potentials that something moves from one to the other.
causation is at a DISCONNECT, magnetism follows the Poincare' disk model.
the RESULTANT is a HYPERBOLOID, as is necessitated.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 17, 2014, 11:45:37 PM
what is the halflife of magnetism?
Co-eternal to any fundamental particle. The two are inseparable.
This is why supercooled ceramics etc, exhibit properties of quasi-matter........"superconductive (wrong name)" tape "steals" magnetism from the magnets it runs along, both upside down and right side-up,
Ever see the Mobius loop 'train' of superconductive tape. ;D
been making special bismuth disks half the day
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 17, 2014, 11:39:38 PM
the HUGE equation for that is in CP Steinmetz's work, and believe it or NOT, nobody has EVER performed the experiment to test it.
There is a long standing "what the fuck??" about that fact among some folks.
There is a space-time paradox in measuring magnetic field , as Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko writes about in EXHAUSTIVE LONG LONG DETAILS WITH NEW EQUATIONS.
The reason for that, is that magnetism is a Poincare' disk extrapolation of a charge in discharge with a resultant spatial vector but no point of temporal CAUSATIVE measurement.
so the field exists in a bow-shock/wash of a moving single unit of moving charge also and not just laterally? it's not simultaneously along the length of the path ( a tube )...
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 17, 2014, 11:49:03 PM
Ever see the Mobius loop 'train' of superconductive tape. ;D
No... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPqEEZa2Gis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPqEEZa2Gis) I want 2.
so... then I have to ask, are the magnets glued? or are they just a stack of pole 0/1 along the lenght of the track? can't be across the track or vertical to the track because the ends would mismatch and it wouldn't be continuous...... in that case what keeps it centered across the track? Is the height of levitation a factor of how much spacer is under it when conditioned?
Quote from: d3x0r on August 17, 2014, 11:49:07 PM
so the field exists in a bow-shock/wash of a moving single unit of moving charge also and not just laterally? it's not simultaneously along the length of the path ( a tube )...
Faraday tubes eh? Not easy to explain in 10 mins, I have to melt some more Bismuth, however the explanation for same is in the next edition of the book
(no, im not dodging the question).
Quote from: d3x0r on August 17, 2014, 11:52:57 PM
No... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPqEEZa2Gis I want 2.
Yeah, that zit faced pecker-head with the horrible LISSSSSP
listen to his BS explanation at 5:30 to 6:30
what mindless boob he is.
The reason they stay locked together is very simple, the supercooled ceramic or Yttrium barium copper oxide is "using" the magnetism from the magnets to support its magneto-electrostatic atomic homeostasis.
As such its using the magnetism to support its own homeostasis against its mostly lost inter-atomic magnetism.
so what's the difference between 1 coils...
I keep trying to ask this question and keep stopping
if I have a coil, with a DC 'current' through it... a discharging dielectric (capacitor) and another coil the same sort of current... they affect each other in a different way and to a different degree than a statically charge balloon or ping pong ball repelling etc.. a much larger degree...
and that force behaves not like gravity either...
Kenny:
QuoteYou really are dead from the NECK UP.
I dont know what is more stunning, your ignorance, or your ignorance of your own ignorance.
Point charge stop yanking my chain.
Points don't exist, girlfriend, nobody can make a point. Like "emptiness", its a BS fucking concept that does NOT EXIST
The trash talk from you is embarrassing to this whole forum. It makes me think of someone else that recently trash talked himself off the deep end.
I will simply remind you that TK showed a simple circuit where a 1.5-volt battery can make four 90-volt neons in series light up. It works based on manipulating magnetic energy and you can't even explain how a simple circuit like that works. The only thing that you can do is evade or ignore the question.
So much for the wild and crazy guy that is here to "teach" people on this forum and on the Energetic Forum all about magnetism.
Yeah, I know, you are not here to convince anybody or sell anything.
It's just a question of separating the seed from the chaff.
MileHigh
Quote from: d3x0r on August 18, 2014, 12:20:24 AM
if I have a coil, with a DC 'current' through it... a discharging dielectric (capacitor) and another coil the same sort of current... they affect each other in a different way
your sentence is unclear and incomplete, please elaborate.
in what different way.
In a battery, the dielectric momentum, or electrical intertia is extended outwards in both directions from the center and discharges to the "center"
In a DC generator, the polarization is in place as long as the DC generator is in momentum.
Non transverse electrical inertia. Direct Current is a TIME SCALAR, no variation in time.
Direct current machines only have two poles, plus and minus;
Direct Current, a time invariant condition
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 01:05:33 AM
Kenny:
The trash talk from you is embarrassing to this whole forum. It makes me think of someone else that recently trash talked himself off the deep end.
I will simply remind you that TK showed a simple circuit where a 1.5-volt battery can make four 90-volt neons in series light up. It works based on manipulating magnetic energy and you can't even explain how a simple circuit like that works. The only thing that you can do is evade or ignore the question.
So much for the wild and crazy guy that is here to "teach" people on this forum and on the Energetic Forum all about magnetism.
Yeah, I know, you are not here to convince anybody or sell anything.
It's just a question of separating the seed from the chaff.
MileHigh
While you were flapping your goddamn gums, I was casting 12 bismuth disks, resetting 4 experiments, and finishing up a diamagnetic levitation prototype.
AND , I uploaded a new video showing that, by charge and special applications, I was able to "reprogram" a cooling BISMUTH DISK
Meaning, Ive done MORE in the past 48 hours that you DID ALL FUCKING YEAR.
Clear enough?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 18, 2014, 01:43:02 AM
In a battery, the dielectric momentum, or electrical intertia is extended outwards in both directions from the center and discharges to the "center"
In a DC generator, the polarization is in place as long as the DC generator is in momentum.
Non transverse electrical inertia. Direct Current is a TIME SCALAR, no variation in time.
Direct current machines only have two poles, plus and minus;
Direct Current, a time invariant condition
correct, and it behaves equivalent to(congruently with) as another magneto static (charged magnet)
but the coil with time invieant change in voltage/dielectric supply of the power source has a definite duration of the differential available in the battery...
a solid magnet has a time differential... of as long as ? (not particles?)
The only thing that you can do is evade or ignore the question.
And it's a question that you must be able to answer to demonstrate that you know what you are talking about. But you can't, hence you don't know what you are talking about.
You are nothing but useless chaff, Kenny. There are probably more than 1000 web sites out there that will give people a legitimate and bonafide education about magnetism.
Keep tooting your horn but for the most part you are just rattling off your own fantasies about magnetism and they have absolutely nothing to do with reality. You are a clown of magnetism. People deserve to know that.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 18, 2014, 01:54:28 AM
correct, and it behaves equivalent to(congruently with) as another magneto static (charged magnet)
Saying "magneto-static" is like saying Hot Ice, or pretty dead girl. Magnetism = polarization = reciprocation = the total opposite of STATIC
Quote from: d3x0r on August 18, 2014, 01:54:28 AM
but the coil with time invieant change in voltage/dielectric supply of the power source has a definite duration of the differential available in the battery...
a solid magnet has a time differential... of as long as ? (not particles?)
Time invariance is typical of most ALL longitudinal propagation.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 01:55:40 AM
The only thing that you can do is evade or ignore the question.
talk is cheap son,
you dont "produce" Your intellect is on the clearance shelf of the $1 store. ;D
Don't give me this crap about "producing." That's just a desperate attempt to change the subject and shift the topic away from the fact that you can't answer a basic question about magnetism.
Furthermore, who says that I have to do "research into magnetism" (i.e.; "producing") to raise this issue with you? You? That is a totally false argument. You talk all about debating principles and tactics and then shoot yourself in the foot by stooping so low in your responses by playing silly games like this.
You barely know your ass from your elbow when it comes to magnetism, period. The fact that I don't play with magnets like you do has absolutely nothing to do with the hard fact you barely know what you are talking about. The vast majority of what you say is just your own fantasy nonsense with no basis in reality. You didn't have the slightest clue what magnetic field viewing film was doing before I explained it to you. Yet you still describe what the film shows using your nonsensical false terminology.
This whole thing is just a Kenny the Magnetic Clown Show and nothing more than that. When people want to debate something with you where you clearly are lost and haven't a clue what to say you play silly, pretentious, infantile and false "debating games" that anyone with an IQ over 55 could easily detect.
You should at least have the guts to say, "I don't know how the neons light up" because that's what everybody knows already.
You are stuck to the fridge door like a hapless magnetic clown rag doll and frankly you deserve it. A clown like you needs to be put in his place because you are spouting nonsense. People that want to open their eyes now know the truth.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 17, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
I would predict that where there is an edge or point, that flux is strongest (pyramid/cone magnets esp. as used for spark gap quenching ... charged stream deflector )
if it were made like a meat tendorizer (or frozen ferrofluid on a maget, as the points develop) then each point would be a individual strong point of flux.
a sphere magnet has no increased flux except the pole, with a gradual fade to the bloch wall (or maybe it's an increase as you get more north and south).
just my hypothesis... so far we've only hear TA say there is more flux on the edge of a magnet
The density of the magnetic flux is dictated by the shape of the physical magnet, so it is clear that a conic magnet, such as the ones used for old magnetron technology, will have different strength at the two ends. But I'm talking about the difference in strength (as I noted in an empirical measurement) between the two poles of a magnet of cylindrical or square shape, essentially a symmetrical magnet.
SaDAng
Here is an example of Kenny's brilliance:
QuoteIs the untouched powerful magnet just 'sitting there' generating heat? YES
the spatial magnetic reciprocation is responsible for the 2 -2.5 (average) degree diff. in the heat.
Radiation, discharge, heat. Same as your stove top, discharge the charge.
However nobody is going to COOK anything with 2 or 3 degrees of heat.
Any circulatory radiative discharge necessitates HEAT, including the very iron in the magnet and its other constituents
What Kenny is saying above that a bloody magnet just sitting there is a source of thermal power. (That's what "generating heat" means Bozo.)
That's it, Kenny has found the source of free energy that we have all been looking for - NOT.
QuoteHowever nobody is going to COOK anything with 2 or 3 degrees of heat.
Are you sure about that?
We just have to connect copper pipes conducting water between a long chain of successive magnets. Water will flow through the pipes and pick up the heat generated by each magnet. Each magnet in the chain will be thermally isolated from every other magnet. Therefore each magnet in the chain will operate at a slightly elevated temperature compared to the previous magnet in the chain. There will always be a small delta-t between the water in the copper pipes and each magnet in the chain such that the water is always picking up some heat from each magnet. The Curie temperature for a neo magnet is way above the boiling point of water so with a long enough chain of magnets you will be able to produce super heated steam at the end of the chain. World saved!
Or perhaps hapless magnet rag doll clown Kenny was totally ignorant and had no clue that saying, "Is the untouched powerful magnet just 'sitting there' generating heat? YES" actually implied that a magnet just sitting there minding it's own business was producing thermal power from nowhere. Perhaps Kenny measured a different temperature of the magnet relative to the surroundings and mistakenly assumed that the hotter magnet automatically implied that it was producing thermal power. (Sounds like some Google searching might fix that.)
Another hapless Roseanne Roseannadanna moment for poor Kenny the Rag Doll Clown stuck on that fridge door.
The truth about Kenny is plain for all to see.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 04:06:32 AM
That's it, Kenny has found the source of free energy that we have all been looking for - NOT.
I NEVER talk about free energy ASSHOLE, nor is a 2.5 to 3 degree shift free energy to harvest.
Strawman fallacy boyFind one spot where I associate anything with free energy son. You cannot. Pathetic.
Nice try though son. Idiot. ;D ;D ;D
You're as useless as bull tits and the Popes balls. ;)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 18, 2014, 05:07:33 AM
I NEVER talk about free energy ASSHOLE, nor is a 2.5 to 3 degree shift free energy to harvest.
Strawman fallacy boy
Find one spot where I associate anything with free energy son. You cannot. Pathetic.
Nice try though son. Idiot. ;D ;D ;D
You're as useless as bull tits and the Popes balls. ;)
QuoteYou cannot.
Yes I can!
Here is what you said: "
Is the untouched powerful magnet just 'sitting there' generating heat? YES"
What Kenny is saying above that a bloody magnet just sitting there is a source of thermal power. (
That's what "generating heat" means Bozo.)
Whoops! You ignored my post #1579. I wonder why that is?
I am done Kenny. I just wanted to "spike" your nonsensical thread one more time to give it some flavour and a dose of reality.
Any person of sound mind reading through large sections of this thread is bound to stumble across a debate between you and Picowatt or a debate between you and me. If they had any doubts that you were a Crazy Magnet Rag Doll Clown then all doubts will have been removed if they encounter one of these debates.
You can go back to your "discoveries" and inertial plains and all that crapola now. There is no way I would invest a lot of time in this thread but it's fun to do a reality check from time to time. It's good to get people to see both sides of a debate. The insignificance of your crazy theories and your related mental health issues are nicely shown in this thread.
Plus you have to admit it, it's more fun to deal with a real person as opposed to a sheeple.
And you still don't have the slightest clue how the neons light! Think flywheel! Think outside of the box you are in!
An energized inductor is like a spinning flywheel. Can you stop a spinning flywheel cold with your bare hands? Can you stop it cold with big hydraulic calipers and disk brake pads? The answer is you can't, it's impossible.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 05:24:51 AM
What Kenny is saying above that a bloody magnet just sitting there is a source of thermal power. (That's what "generating heat" means Bozo.)
Demented fool, that has to do with explaining the fact of magnetic reciprocation generating a little bit of heat in a "magnet"
Doesnt have shit to do with "free energy" etc. Asshole. You're slipping fast boy.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 04:06:32 AM
Here is an example of Kenny's brilliance:
What Kenny is saying above that a bloody magnet just sitting there is a source of thermal power. (That's what "generating heat" means Bozo.)
That's it, Kenny has found the source of free energy that we have all been looking for - NOT.
Are you sure about that?
We just have to connect copper pipes conducting water between a long chain of successive magnets. Water will flow through the pipes and pick up the heat generated by each magnet. Each magnet in the chain will be thermally isolated from every other magnet. Therefore each magnet in the chain will operate at a slightly elevated temperature compared to the previous magnet in the chain. There will always be a small delta-t between the water in the copper pipes and each magnet in the chain such that the water is always picking up some heat from each magnet. The Curie temperature for a neo magnet is way above the boiling point of water so with a long enough chain of magnets you will be able to produce super heated steam at the end of the chain. World saved!
Or perhaps hapless magnet rag doll clown Kenny was totally ignorant and had no clue that saying, "Is the untouched powerful magnet just 'sitting there' generating heat? YES" actually implied that a magnet just sitting there minding it's own business was producing thermal power from nowhere. Perhaps Kenny measured a different temperature of the magnet relative to the surroundings and mistakenly assumed that the hotter magnet automatically implied that it was producing thermal power. (Sounds like some Google searching might fix that.)
Another hapless Roseanne Roseannadanna moment for poor Kenny the Rag Doll Clown stuck on that fridge door.
The truth about Kenny is plain for all to see.
I do not understand your hostility and others to what Ken said. Instead of adding theoretical arguments, I think that it would be better to come up with your own experimental evidence, reproducing his experiments and arguing in accordance. From this point of view it has a great advantage: that of the experimenter with an open mind, who is attentive to detail which current science does not give them any attention or worse it deny their existence. You know ... teoria sine praxis sicut rota sine axis!
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on August 18, 2014, 05:34:06 AM
I do not understand your hostility and others to what Ken said. Instead of adding theoretical arguments, I think that it would be better to come up with your own experimental evidence, reproducing his experiments and arguing in accordance. From this point of view it has a great advantage: that of the experimenter with an open mind, who is attentive to detail which current science does not give them any attention or worse it deny their existence. You know ... teoria sine praxis sicut rota sine axis!
SaDAng
SaDAng, one day you may realize that I had my debate with Kenny for the benefit of people like you. Kenny's experiments are a farce and a joke and one day you may also realize this. My experimental evidence is in lab reports that I did more than 30 years ago. Try asking Kenny to measure the value of an inductor with a power supply, a resistor, and a scope and he would not have the slightest clue how to do that. That's an unacceptable situation. It's like owning a car and not knowing that it burns gasoline and not knowing where to add the gasoline when you need it.
If you are truly interested in this subject then you have to read and study and experiment. You must draw your information from multiple sources. If you do that and execute properly you will sooner or later realize that Kenny is a clown. When you talk about hostility and abuse and all that goes with it, you have to realize that the ground rules on this thread have been set by Kenny. Look there first when you talk about hostility.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 05:47:40 AM
SaDAng, one day you may realize that I had my debate with Kenny for the benefit of people like you.
Oh, i see you're Jesus the martyr ? ROFL ;D ;D ;D
Pic below
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 05:47:40 AM
My experimental evidence is in lab reports that I did more than 30 years ago.
Even MORE funny.
You really are one deluded POS, but I find it funny and amusing. I do like to laugh, honestly. ;D
Pic below
If particles don't exist, how can bismuth emit alpha particles?
John.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 05:47:40 AM
SaDAng, one day you may realize that I had my debate with Kenny for the benefit of people like you. Kenny's experiments are a farce and a joke and one day you may also realize this. My experimental evidence is in lab reports that I did more than 30 years ago. Try asking Kenny to measure the value of an inductor with a power supply, a resistor, and a scope and he would not have the slightest clue how to do that. That's an unacceptable situation. It's like owning a car and not knowing that it burns gasoline and not knowing where to add the gasoline when you need it.
If you are truly interested in this subject then you have to read and study and experiment. You must draw your information from multiple sources. If you do that and execute properly you will sooner or later realize that Kenny is a clown. When you talk about hostility and abuse and all that goes with it, you have to realize that the ground rules on this thread have been set by Kenny. Look there first when you talk about hostility.
MileHigh
I understand him very well and also you and others who are deeply rooted in official magnetism. I learned form life that the so called science is science only seen from the outside, but when you go deeper into it, science is nothing but ambiguity, assumptions, constants, matches and the like. Ken is not the first to touch the subject of magnetism in a way unsupported by the current scientific dogma, that I studied over time. There were others before him, each with his version suitable to their respective time understandings. But Ken bases his theory and experiments on the existence of the ether, and that's what makes a clown for most, but for me it is not so at all! Because I know from my own experience that the ether exists, but so far from how was it thought by Einstein, Michelson, Morley and others who tried to prove or dismiss it. You know ... there is an alternative science, the one of the founders of modern science elements (or even the ancient science, terms and concepts), which founders thought totally different than we understand today the well established scientific terms and concepts. It's just a way to shape the reality! And what I think you must surely understand waht I want to say, even if you do not agree with that, if you really maintain your clain that "My experimental evidence is in lab reports that I did more than 30 years ago!".
You know, in an emptied space intentionally, it's easy to come and fill it with any laws, rules, postulates, assumptions, descriptions, dark matter, dark energy, zero point energy, quarks, bosons, and so on. Why so and not otherwise? That, again, is very simple to understand! You just have to lean on unwritten science, on what thought of its founders. On their original writings and their way to look and understand the world, the foundations on which they based their research! How many scientists of the present world have made this? They do not even questioning it! As if Einstein, Lorentz, Maxwell, and others had been some holy immaculate to which even with the thought should not think! The science is just like religion! Ie dogma!
I do not want to create a sterile polemics here on this topic, but I want to see open minds to new theoretical foundations, not minds entrenched in current scientific dogma and its way to shape the reality, who do not even realize that revolve in a circle. And I know what I mean when I say that science today is the same as religion and is just a dogma and nothing more!
SaDAng
Quote from: minnie on August 18, 2014, 06:51:24 AM
If particles don't exist, how can bismuth emit alpha particles?
John.
Particles ULTIMATELY do not exist, they're 'stable' dielectric formations
Dielectricity in galactic and intense power stellar formations congregates into fundamental particle creation.
There is only ONE fundamental particle, which you call the neutron, all "free neutrons" spin up and become protons within , what is it, 17 mins in "free space". then...... i.e. Hydrogen.
beta decay, inverse beta decay
protons can become neutrons , and vice versa.
protons are magnetically dominant, neutrons are dielectrically dominant.
Particle radiation (He nucleus) is not up for debate, obviously. WHAT the particles themselves ARE ultimately .......IS
matter is created in galactic and stellar formations.
See images of galactic jets.
thats new matter being shot out both "ends"
Quote from: sadang on August 18, 2014, 06:54:46 AM
you and others who are deeply rooted in official magnetism.
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And I know what I mean when I say that science today is the same as religion and is just a dogma and nothing more!
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Quantum BS is just an insane religion. To say "virtual photons" = magnetism / action at a distance is
NO DIFFERENT THAN SAYING "Angels and Satan" "do it" The only thing separating quantum BS from the Church of Scientology is 5 degrees of horse-shit of a diff. FLAVOR.
Quote from: sadang on August 18, 2014, 03:38:30 AM
The density of the magnetic flux is dictated by the shape of the physical magnet, so it is clear that a conic magnet, such as the ones used for old magnetron technology, will have different strength at the two ends. But I'm talking about the difference in strength (as I noted in an empirical measurement) between the two poles of a magnet of cylindrical or square shape, essentially a symmetrical magnet.
SaDAng
Actually, your original reply to Floor's post was in regards to comparing the difference in strength between the center/edge of a PM to the center/edge of a similiar EM, and not between the two poles of the same PM, as shown in the image below. That is why I suggested to do a test with the curl meter also, to see if there were any differences between between the center/edge of a PM and an EM.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 18, 2014, 07:18:55 AM
Actually, your original reply to Floor's post was in regards to comparing the difference in strength between the center/edge of a PM to the center/edge of a similiar EM, and not between the two poles of the same PM, as shown in the image below. That is why I suggested to do a test with the curl meter also, to see if there were any differences between between the center/edge of a PM and an EM.
Gravock
Yes indeed, it was my mistake! Sorry! But of course, I'm also interested in this kind of comparative measurements. And I'll do these and others, whose results will be made public.
SaDAng
Thanks Ken !!!
I have discovered some new magnetic principles and thanks to you Ken as I am making money on them..
I can't wait till the new updated book will be out..
My friends at Max Plunk are sitting and chewing on all the data that you have posted..
Lurking in done not to disturb you as you are on a mission to destroy "Quantum" b.s..
There is a war of German legacy to dear old Albert E. as it's a land mine to step there..
These Dogs will try to destroy you and anyone that validates what you have shown !!!
Staying power is already affecting some as they question old Al...
Ps...
Love all you new video clips.. copy(s) of all the latest are in China already and being targeted for economic value...
MH is a resident trolll... his weapon is posting nothing else !!!
Latest clip to chew .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRRy0ekuFWs&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRRy0ekuFWs&feature=youtu.be)
Acca..[/font]
Quote from: Acca on August 18, 2014, 07:58:48 AM
Thanks Ken !!!
I have discovered some new magnetic principles and thanks to you Ken as I am making money on them..
I can't wait till the new updated book will be out..
Awesome! Hey , I remember that video now, I have lots of aluminum laying around, I meant to do that when I saw it some time ago.
The only thing that upsets me about the 3rd edition is that I promised 2 folks (for undeclared reasons) to get it out by early / mid Sept, and there is SO SO SO MUCH to add, that I have to then make a 4th edition afterwards.
Im really only sticking in about 40% of what I planned on for the 3rd edition, but there is just SO #&*$ MUCH, which is a good thing, and at the same time means I will need to stretch it out over the 4th edition (and surely more after that).
Im working on 2 paid Greek translations, experimenting (just small translations) , and putting the 3rd edition together with so much data, its just enormous really.
Quote from: Acca on August 18, 2014, 07:58:48 AM
MH is a resident trolll
Ehh, hes funny, hes just some crusty ole' douche bag.
he reminds me of some Roman scientist, I forget his name who said "everything that can be invented and discovered has been".
STRINGS NOTHING BUT STRINGS ! ALL BENS OR TURNS OR AN EDGE HAS A HIGHER POINT OF POTENTUAL ! MORE LINES OF FORCE OR CHARGE ! NO DIELECTRIC EFFECT THERE UNTIL YOU APPLY THE CHARGE !
TA AND HES NON EXISTENT MAGNETIC VORTEX AND THE SO CALLED DIELECTRIC FIELD OF A MAGNET IS AS REAL AS A FLYING ELEPHANT !!!!!!!!!!!!
I BELEAVE TA HAS BEEN AWARDED THE OUTSTANDING PRIZE OF DR NINCONPOOP THE 1ST MOORE ON THAT AWARD LATTER ! ALSO THERE ARE SOME FAKE PICTURES TA HAS POSTED ! JUST ONE FAKE PICTURE DETERMINS A MIND SINKING INTO A VORTEX OF MUMBO JUMBO .... SILLY BOY !
REGAURDS
TRUTH
Quote from: Acca on August 18, 2014, 07:58:48 AM
Thanks Ken !!!
I have discovered some new magnetic principles and thanks to you Ken as I am making money on them..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRRy0ekuFWs&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRRy0ekuFWs&feature=youtu.be)
Acca..[/font]
This video reminds me about the PMH of Leedskalnin! Great video! Is someone here able to explain this experiemnt or Leedskalnin's PHM using official magnetism or even Ken's magnetism?
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on August 18, 2014, 09:25:46 AM
This video reminds me about the PMH of Leedskalnin! Great video! Is someone here able to explain this experiemnt or Leedskalnin's PHM using official magnetism or even Ken's magnetism?
SaDAng
EACH BLOCK IS A HORSESHOE MAGNET, THE DISCHARGE CAUSES A DIELECTRIC BONDING
However the part about "no magnetism" and in the video saying "they arent magnetic",.......well, there is NOTHING in the empirical universe that isnt "magnetic" at the inter-atomic, all atomic matter is full of magnetism, but what is holding them together is a dielectric coherency.
You notice the end of the video it says "there is some magnetism (feeling) here".
Nobody feels magnetism, there is no such thing as magnetic attraction or repulsion, it does not exist, only dielectric voidance and counter-voidance.
what is 'reaching out' between objects, obviously so, is magnetism, however dielectric coherency and resultant acceleration cannot be said to be "magnetic attraction" rather resultant acceleration OF dielectric to dielectric DUE TO magnetic displacement and induction of the object which accelerates to the so-called "magnet".
Radiation attracts NOTHING, never , ever. It displaces, causes inductive coherency of the charge-state structure of the object, which resultantly accelerates towards the inductive force for counterspatial dielectric voidance, or what you call "attraction"
The video with the two metal blocks is no more than a vacuum ! Nothing to it and to say no one can work it out is a bind statement ! There is air trapped in the blocks from the point of cooling and the vacuum is made by the flow of trapped air to the centre where the wire is ... By pulling them apart the air is sent back into the metal block ! To achieve this effect the amount of air is tiny so small its very hard to calculate but we are working on it ..
Its seems TA or ken is trying to use that effect to prove a new concept for magnetism and by making the epic error to eliminate particle physics as the root to all effects known or unknown only confirms the madness he has locked him self into ..... Its about trickery and illusions to attempt to fool the world of physics ! That's not science that is a con !!!!!!!!
We are keeping tabs on all the fake pictures and mad formulas to very soon nail him down to fact not illusions !!!! So this is a public warning about the utter nonsense that this man is pouring out in an attempt to acquire fame and notoriety from an intent that is designed to fool you and a complete lack of respect for how science is conducted or concluded !
All magnetic fields are made of a string of particles that are derived by the electron splitting into its two x y component's creating north and south pole fields ! A personal warning to this man is included in this statement ! If you verbally insult me or any member of my group again legal action will find you no matter where you are in this world ! Any new claims made must be published in the correct way so the masters of physics can determine them as false or truth ! If the world begins to create its own laws of physics without firm and solid academic conformations it would result in a world that will never truly know wrong from right !
This man does not hold a qualification in science and there for must be considered as one that is more interested in tricks illusions lies cons and false claims that have no experimental evidence to prove any fact claimed by himself .... What world do you want one that is real or one that is contrived bent and obscure ! ? ! The children of this world need reality a solid and strong foundation to completely trust academic science not one that has made a mockery of the truth in order to make a few fast bucks !!! There are standard's for approval to all new discoveries yet TA or KEN ?? REFUSES TO ACCEPT THEM BECAUSE REALITY IS NOT ON HIS MENUE ..... BE FULLY AWEAR !
REGARDS
TRUTH
Hi Ken,
I understand your explanation very well! But all you try to explain here using the written words of well established terms and mental conventions is hard to understand by someone with deep rooted scientific education using a scientific language.
Yes indeed, all mater is magnetic in esence, is radiating centrifugal and divergent from the dielectric inertial plane, is ether expanding centrifugaly and returning centripetaly to its origin, to the fulcrum of everything. But all these are available not in the nowaday sense of the word magnetism.
I see you avoid to use the word ether in many of your answers! You choosed to use the word dielectric instead of ether! I suppose this is because you want to keep the language in "electrical terms" field as does Dollard!. When there exists only helical dynamics, or CW and CCW in human relative interpretation, there would allways be only voidance and countervoidance of the intercations of these helical dynamics.
Thanks,
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on August 18, 2014, 10:50:03 AM
Hi Ken,
I understand your explanation very well! But all you try to explain here using the written words of well established terms and mental conventions is hard to understand by someone with deep rooted scientific education using a scientific language.
Yes indeed, all mater is magnetic in esence, is radiating centrifugal and divergent from the dielectric inertial plane, is ether expanding centrifugaly and returning centripetaly to its origin, to the fulcrum of everything. But all these are available not in the nowaday sense of the word magnetism.
I see you avoid to use the word ether in many of your answers! You choosed to use the word dielectric instead of ether! I suppose this is because you want to keep the language in "electrical terms" field as does Dollard!. When there exists only helical dynamics, or CW and CCW in human relative interpretation, there would allways be only voidance and countervoidance of the intercations of these helical dynamics.
I use Ether ALL the time, maybe not so much here, but not by intent, Everything is the Ether, all 4 forces are just Ether modalities.
No, I in no way avoid the Ether, nor ever intend to avoid mention of same.
"This medium of propagation, the Ether must exist. This medium must be a prominent thought in our investigations." Treatise on
Electricity and Magnetism – J.C. Maxwell
"The word Ether has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics only because its past association with opposition to
relativity. This is unfortunate because stripped of these connotations, it nicely captures the way most physicists actually thin about the
vacuum. The modern concept of vacuum space confirmed by every experiment is a relativistic Ether. But we do not call it this because
Ether is a taboo term." - Robert B. Laughlin
Before he lost his mind even the idiot Einstein--------
"When the electric current comes into being, it immediately sets the surrounding Ether into some kind of instantaneous motion, the
nature of which has still not been exactly determined. In spite of the continuation of the cause of this motion, namely the electric
current, the motion ceases, but the Ether remains in a potential state and produces a magnetic field. That the magnetic field is a
potential state [of the Ether] is shown by the [existence of a] permanent magnet, since the principle of conservation of energy excludes
the possibility of a state of motion in this case. The motion of the Ether, which is caused by an electric current, will continue until the
acting [electro-] motive forces are compensated by the equivalent passive forces which arise from the deformation caused by the
motion of the Ether itself." –("Concerning the Investigation of the State of Ether in Magnetic Fields" by Albert Einstein)
Particles don't exist because there are stable dielectric events ???? ITS THE SAME DAM THING !!!!! DONT WORM YOUR WAY ROUND IT !!! Its not a ((matter )) what it is its how we count the energy that is held by it ... With your language a coulomb of electrons is not a number and can not be counted and there for all levels of energy are of the same sum not bigger than 1 dielectric event !
You cant do maths with that !!! Let say there are 2.5678 coulombs x 1 volt the answer is 2.5678 watts and that is fundamental in electrical engineering you need the numbers to designee the circuit
or machine ect ........ do u finally see the importance of separating out the energy as particles ?????? If not try and designee something with your rules you cant so you have to use particles to make a finite calculation ... Just by the using different types and amounts of atoms we make the bonds for metals that are used in construction ! With your formula you would never know the correct quantity and in fact there would not be a name for each atom no periodic table just a silly word that is not proven to be of any use ...
Particles rule son !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the periodic law stands as final or everything you will ever make is just jelly and the whole universe would not exist ! You need particles .............................................................................. or you will become DR nincompoop the 1ST and I do hope the last ........................................................................................
get real soon
Re
93rd
Quote from: sadang on August 18, 2014, 06:54:46 AM
I understand him very well and also you and others who are deeply rooted in official magnetism. I learned form life that the so called science is science only seen from the outside, but when you go deeper into it, science is nothing but ambiguity, assumptions, constants, matches and the like. Ken is not the first to touch the subject of magnetism in a way unsupported by the current scientific dogma, that I studied over time. There were others before him, each with his version suitable to their respective time understandings. But Ken bases his theory and experiments on the existence of the ether, and that's what makes a clown for most, but for me it is not so at all! Because I know from my own experience that the ether exists, but so far from how was it thought by Einstein, Michelson, Morley and others who tried to prove or dismiss it. You know ... there is an alternative science, the one of the founders of modern science elements (or even the ancient science, terms and concepts), which founders thought totally different than we understand today the well established scientific terms and concepts. It's just a way to shape the reality! And what I think you must surely understand waht I want to say, even if you do not agree with that, if you really maintain your clain that "My experimental evidence is in lab reports that I did more than 30 years ago!".
You know, in an emptied space intentionally, it's easy to come and fill it with any laws, rules, postulates, assumptions, descriptions, dark matter, dark energy, zero point energy, quarks, bosons, and so on. Why so and not otherwise? That, again, is very simple to understand! You just have to lean on unwritten science, on what thought of its founders. On their original writings and their way to look and understand the world, the foundations on which they based their research! How many scientists of the present world have made this? They do not even questioning it! As if Einstein, Lorentz, Maxwell, and others had been some holy immaculate to which even with the thought should not think! The science is just like religion! Ie dogma!
I do not want to create a sterile polemics here on this topic, but I want to see open minds to new theoretical foundations, not minds entrenched in current scientific dogma and its way to shape the reality, who do not even realize that revolve in a circle. And I know what I mean when I say that science today is the same as religion and is just a dogma and nothing more!
SaDAng
SaDAng:
When you argue that there are "multiple truths and interpretations" for magnetism you make a big fail. It's simply not true but if you want to delude yourself into believing this then that's your problem. Other people have the right to know that some people, people like Kenny, are spouting nonsense. In Kenny's case it seems to be tied into some psychological problems that he has because you can clearly see that he is not able to behave normally on a chat board.
Man and the science and knowledge that has been developed over the centuries represent a valuable resource that should be treated with respect. If you don't treat it with respect then we may end up going for another 1200 years without indoor plumbing again. If Kenny could demonstrate that he knows what he is talking about and then add some new insights that would be one thing. But Kenny clearly does not know what he is talking about so his "new insights" are nothing more than a complete and total failure to understand basic magnetism. People like Kenny represent the encroachment of ignorance and stupidity on our society. It's worth pointing that out because if we don't, the legions of dummies will get larger and larger and then you will be walking to the river to get your drinking water. Just look at the legions of dummies that are building Quantum Energy Generators as a sign of how ignorant and stupid people can become.
The fact that Kenny can't explain how the neons light up and the fact that this is based on the manipulation of magnetic energy is a "smoking gun" giving you a clear message that Kenny is clueless and he is in no position to present any theories on magnetism at all. He is a clown. It's up to you to figure out the messages that life is sending to you.
MileHigh
Hi 93rdelement.
It is big fun to read your post. ;D There is such love shining from your posts. :D You should really see a doctor. ;D
Quote from: MilesHigher
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Man and the science and knowledge that has been developed over the centuries
represent a valuable resource that should be treated with respect. If you don't
treat it with respect then we may end up going for another 1200 years without
indoor plumbing again.
If Kenny could demonstrate that he knows what he is talking about and then add
some new insights that would be one thing. But Kenny clearly does not know
what he is talking about so his "new insights" are nothing more than a complete
and total failure to understand basic magnetism.
People like Kenny represent the encroachment of ignorance and stupidity on our
society. It's worth pointing that out because if we don't, the legions of dummies
will get larger and larger and then you will be walking to the river to get your
drinking water.
Just look at the legions of dummies that are building Quantum Energy Generators
as a sign of how ignorant and stupid people can become.
The fact that Kenny can't explain how the neons light up and the fact that this is
based on the manipulation of magnetic energy is a "smoking gun" giving you a
clear message that Kenny is clueless and he is in no position to present any
theories on magnetism at all. He is a clown. It's up to you to figure out the
messages that life is sending to you.
Miles Higher,
There are times when your dogmatically dogmatic dogmatisms reach
distressingly new heights; even within the world of dogma! :o
Some of us have done quite well without indoor plumbing and had
not experienced the convenience on a regular basis until joining
the Navy (or some similar event for others) in 1960. ;D
You "city slickers" are oftentimes "something else." ::)
For too many Dogma is like a cage with a locked door; near
impossible to escape from. Your programming has been very,
very effective, sad to say... ??? ;)
SeaMonkey:
I am just stating it like it is. You know where the plumbing metaphor is coming from I am sure. Just like you are fully aware that Kenny is full of crap. When you refuse to state that it's called selling out.
MileHigh
From a Man who is well acquainted with Dogma. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJckSxlX3_c&feature=player_embedded)
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 06:38:53 PM
people like Kenny, are spouting nonsense.
I have the absolute proof, you ,.....you have JACK SHIT
The next video, lets see you EXPLAIN VIDEO #75 uploading. You have NO FUCKING WAY OF EXPLAINING THE VIDEO I AM UPLOADING
(however Im sure youll attempt SOME form of BS) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tits on a bull......WORTHLESS
Tits on a milk truck is another good one.
Regards...
Kenny:
I will make the sales pitch again. Here is a good guy that could possibly save your electromagnetic soul:
https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos
If you were truly interested and wanted to apply yourself you would try to absorb everything this guy says because he is the real thing.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 08:34:31 PM
Kenny:
I will make the sales pitch again. Here is a good guy that could possibly save your electromagnetic soul:
MileHigh
Son, YOU, you dont even know what electricity is!! Hahaha
Phi x Psi = Q (in Planck) ......i.e. electrification
Phi (magnetism) x Psi (dielectricity).
See, what you dont get, BOY, my little son, is that electricity is ONE thing.........a HYBRID of magnetism AND dielectricity.
.......dielectricity is ANOTHER.
Electricity cannot , does not, NOWHERE exists without BOTH magnetism and dielectricity.
You're nothing but a boob. :o ;D ;D
If I were truly interested engaging ken in meaningful dialogue, I wooden keep addressing as "Kenny" after derisively referring to him as such.
just sayin'
Regards...
Kenny bb, I am this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkjsN-J27aU
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
Kenny bb, I am this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkjsN-J27aU
FROM THE VIDEO YOU LINKED ABOVE::::::::::
for once I agree
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
Explain this video, bitch. ;DNO CHANCE IN HELL.
You make me laugh. I love to laugh. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulmlXKYbjSU
Thats easy...its the tower of bisble on the dark side of the bismoon.
Next riddle.
Regards...
SCIENCE NEEDS TO BE FUN NOT A LOAD OF BORING JIBBERISH OR A PILE OF WORDS WRITTEN JUST TO IMAGE THE MIND THAT IS WRITTING IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WILL BRAKE ALL THE RULES IF THAT IS NEEDED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE DONT HAVE TIME TO WASTE IN THEORY AFTER THEORY SO STOP IT ALL OF YOU AND LISTEN TO ME I AHVE SOMETHNING IMPORTANT TO TEL YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE EITHER BUBBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a bubble when in water will collapse back into the either before it will reach the surface ! I have such a bubble as that and wish to share it but does that confirm the either ??? to me it does !!!!!! Also focus only on the grand unified field connect it together through all your theories if it does not work with your theory than your theory is as duck in a pond without water .......
We are here not to learn but to build we have done the learning now we must build !!! I am government funded !!!! I am no mug I am not DR NINCONPOOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MORE ABOUT HIM LATTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT FREEDOM AWAITS US WE HAVE IT ALL ITS RIGHT HERE AND I WILL CONFIRM WE ARE ALL THE BEST THERE IS AS WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE HERE !!!!!! AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING ................................... THE PLAN IS SIMPLE FIRST WE BUILD UNITY AMOUNG US THAN WE GO FOR OVER SPILL AND KICK ARSE ......
WE ARE TO BUILD A FREE ENERGY GRID POWER SYSTEM TO SURPORT THE GOVERNMENT CONTRACT THAT I HAVE AND ADVANCE SALE THE ELECTRICTY 10 YEARS IN ADVANCE ON THE FUTURES MARKETS ............................................................................................
WE ALL SHARE THE PROFFIT !!! AND BUILD A SPCE CRAFT BETTER THAN ANY ALIEN !!! FOR IF WE GO TO ANOTHER PLANET WE WILL NOT PLAY WITH THERE NEUCLIAR WEAPONS OR FLY INTO THERE WIND TURBINES OR TAKE DNA OR IMPLANT CHIPS OR JUST FLY AROUND AND MAKE STUPID CROP CIRCLES .......................... GET REAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF WE DONT STAND TOGETHER NOW NOT IN THE NEXT 4 BILLION YEARS WE HAVE GOT NO CHANCE TO WHAT IS HIDDEN AND IS COMING OUR WAY ........................................................... TAKE YOUR TALENTS LIKE SEEDS FROM THE HOLY TREE OF KNOWLAGE AND PLANT THEM IN A POT OF LOVE OR YOU WILL ALL DIE LEAVING NOTHING BEHIND BUT A DEAD BROKEN ROTTEN ALIEN INVADED PLANET ........
DONT YOU GET IT ?????????????????????????????????? ITS DOWN TO US GENTALMAN NOT THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW STEP FORWARD AND MAKE IT HAPPEN ...
REGARDS
A LUMP OF ROCK
MileHigh; Tinsel Koala; 93rd E and others that are having a hard time with this:
I can't weigh in on the discussion about particles though I can say I've applied the "Magnetic Vortex" theory to many other aspects of our universe prior to reading TA's book and can happily say I agree with it.
I applied it to:
The Coriolis effect – I traveled to the equator to verify the effect on both sides (North & South) and we were only 50m from the equator. I was amazed to see it I admit. I thought then and there that such a small difference in altitude (water draining down a hole) shouldn't produce the affect. I drew many pictures similar to TA's (not as pretty though) and I became convinced the magnetic field is moving at very high speed in a vortex pattern.
Pulsar's – Radiate energy (I'm not saying what type on purpose) in the same pattern screaming the word "Vortex"
Quasars – Black holes ripping apart stars confirms the theory for me. (I think we often forget "Time" when it comes to crazy ideas)
The universe is actually far stranger than any "human" has the architecture to understand. Yet anyway. If I told you 1/1000th the ideas I've had you would call me crazy.
Regarding the "Troll" comments; I would like to offer a white flag as a genuine token of my commitment to ridding this forum of bullshit.
If you guys are genuinely interested in working toward discovering "free energy" and giving it to the masses then I expect you to work toward better collaboration.
If you want to learn more about yourselves I suggest reading the book called Propaganda by Edward Bernays. Many of his "ideas" I see prevalent throughout this forum and in everyday society. (Together we stand; Divided we fall and all that) If you'd read even just the first 20pages you'd see the mistakes you're making.
I spent over AU$1M trying to reduce oil consumption in Australia. (In the form of Diesel) To say I feel I understand the public, the Govt and the resistance to "free energy" better than any person on this forum is my polite way of saying I'm more committed and know more about "free energy" than any of you. Combined.
Oh and to explain TA's constant "Go experiment"; some people learn better when they're holding stuff in their hands. We evolved over millions of years by doing exactly that; holding stuff in our hands, NOT reading. The problem with writing stuff down is it's only as good as the person doing the "writing" and we all speak in different languages. (IE: Your language represents you and your life experiences not just "Engrish") "like" "Backwards caps" "Downwards pants" "Fully sicknesses" "Totes" "Gorge" (I need a shower after writing that and yes, body language is a form of communication)
Oh and Piccowatt; The speed of magnetism has been proven over 1000 times as being 64c. 64X the speed of LIGHT. I've said it now a few times on this thread. Eugene Podkletnov is the man when it comes to magnetism and he was sacked from a "tenured" position because he was so far advanced.
Relativity is like religion; it got us through and opened our minds, though I think we can do better.
Friendly competition got us really, really fast motorcycles, air races & beautiful skydiving. Unfriendly competition got us every war that's ever existed.
Well there Kenny, all that you have done in your latest clip is give a description and offered no explanation. Isn't it ironic, because that's what you complain about all the time - description and no explanation.
So you haven't explained your own clip either.
As has been previously stated by others, your clips are severely lacking in information. You see rotation and say, "See that proves my theory." You have got to actually explain why the magnet rotates. Just saying that it "proves" your theory is a cop-out. You have to make a diagram and show the forces at play.
I don't know why torque is being imparted on the small magnet to make it spin. I don't know if it might be due to forces caused by eddy currents or if it is due to diamagnetic effects or both and whether or not critical things like the location of the pivot point comes into play. But the interesting thing is neither do you.
So both of us don't know why the magnet is spinning. Of course, the spin changing direction when you flip over the magnet is a big clue.
I find it very hard to visualize what the eddy currents are doing and the resulting forces that may be caused by them that may cause or contribute to the rotation.
However, if there was a good clip out there or a web page where they showed you what was happening and accounted for all of the forces at play I am sure that it would make sense.
Welcome to the wonderful world where you can say, "I don't know, I can't explain this."
But certainly there is an explanation and it would be fascinating to see a diagram that shows all of the forces at play. Once I saw that diagram chances are that I would understand it.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 09:54:26 PM
I don't know why torque is being imparted on the small magnet to make it spin.
first intelligent thing youve said
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 09:54:26 PM
But the interesting thing is neither do you.
Nope, I know exactly why. ;D ;D Its explained in the book, the next edition, and its very very simplex.
Bismuth is pushing the "magnet" away due to centrifugal divergent magnetism,
the "magnet" ITSELF is operated at the LOWEST pressure mediation when being pushed away which is WHOLLY in accord with its inverse spins on either pole.
This , OBVIOUSLY, cannot be demonstrated with anything other than a TINY magnet where gravity and the diamagnetism are in VERY close balance when the "pushing off" is occurring.
Maybe you could hold the magnet with a wire or rope , it should spin freely ..
Thanks
Mark
Quote from: Mk1 on August 18, 2014, 11:37:06 PM
Maybe you could hold the magnet with a wire or rope , it should spin freely ..
Thanks
Mark
its only 3mm cube, its tiny
i will try some thread, but its unlikely to work, thats why this is only see with ONE MAGNET.......,
because its so tiny.even a very thin thread would be too much resistance.
it works with the little 1.5mm magnets, but the camera wont capture that
tiny tiny tiny magnet. ;D ;D ;D
I can see that compulsive or perhaps even pathological lying is part of your mental condition. If you really knew why the magnet spins you would post a diagram showing precisely why and gloat. Instead you lie and play the "next book" card. We have all seen it dozens of times in this thread. You really have some serious issues to deal with there Kenny.
Dear readers,
The following video was posted by TA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJvIMU7JYM
(To better understand this post, I suggest opening the above video in a separate tab/window pausing at the time positions discussed herein and switching between this discussion and the paused video as needed.)
Early on in this video, TA proclaims that "nobody on Earth has ever seen this before, and only one person knew to look for it and expected it before he saw it, and that's yours truly" (meaning himself). He goes on, "And here it is, you're seeing proof after proof after proof and one of the cherry after cherry after cherry on the top of the cake" He continues to go on to claim that what we are seeing in this video is proof of the dielectric plane of the magnet and the incommensurate magneto dielectric nature of the magnet.
So this video must really provide some fantastic proof in support of his claims. Or does it?
In this video, TA is using a FLIR camera. For those unfamiliar with FLIR (Forward Looking Infra Red), it is basically a video camera designed to respond to longer wavelength infrared wavelengths outside the visible spectrum of human sight. These longer wavelengths, typically centered at around 10um (ca 8-12um), are more so considered as heat, and indeed, although invisible to the eye, will produce the sensation of heat when directed onto the skin at sufficient strength. The output from a FLIR camera can therefore be considered as a visualization of the heat being emitted by or reflected from the surfaces being viewed. Various graphical methods are used to display the FLIR information on a video display. For instance, intensity information from the FLIR can be used to generate a false color image wherein various colors are assigned to specific intensity (temperature) levels, allowing one to perceive the temperature of an object by the color that it is assigned. Other display methods use varying gray scale levels which produces a black and white visualization of the temperatures in the cameras field of view.
In the video linked above, TA is claiming that the magnet itself is "dissipating" heat. Apparently he means that the magnet is emitting heat as he has stated that "magnetism=radiation" and that "radiation is TRANSLATIONAL into HEAT generation".
In this supposedly amazing video, TA has positioned his large neo disc magnet against the face of a CRT display. The magnet is held by a mechanical fixture in this position and TA is apparently hand holding the FLIR, allowing him to move about and video from various perspectives.
As the video continues from the beginning, at 0:20 into the video (20 seconds) the outline of the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are barely visible, disappearing into only a ghostly visible outline of themselves. From the FLIR's perspective, the mostly greenish color assigned by the FLIR indicates that the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are all fairly close to being the same temperature. There is no evidence of emission of heat from any surface of the magnet within the field of view above that temperature assigned to the green scale observed, nor is the CRT emitting any heat above that same temperature. For the most part, the temperature of these objects are all fairly similar.
Between 0:21 and 0:22 as the FLIR position is panned about, the yellow temp scale begins to appear. This indicates that the observed surfaces have either become instantaneously warmer, or that the objects observed are merely reflecting the heat from another source. Merely moving the position of a camera imaging an object does not affect the temperature of that object, so obviously this is only reflected heat. If one were imaging using a standard video camera in the visible wavelengths, this would be similar to the field of view brightening slightly as more light from the ambient source is reflected off the objects within the field of view. Notice also that even in this 0:21 to 0:22 time slot, the magnet, fixture, and CRT continue to remain fairly homogenous with regard to their temperature, that is, they remain pretty much the same color and and there is no indication whatsoever that the magnet is emitting any more heat than the fixture or CRT.
At 0:23 seconds in, a relatively hot spot, indicated by the circular red color, appears on the CRT face. Again, merely moving the FLIR camera about should have no effect on heat emitted by an object (i.e., not change its actual temperature) but reflections will indeed change and this is what is occurring here. So what is the red circle on the CRT display a reflection of? This is most likely a double reflection. A heat source is reflecting off the face of the shiny nickel coated neo magnet and onto the CRT, where it is again reflected towards the FLIR camera. So what is the heat source that is being reflected? The heat source is the FLIR camera itself (and as well his hand). Being an active electronic device, the FLIR camera is dissipating heat and to do so requires that it be above the ambient temperature. As we will see, at this particular sensitivity setting of the FLIR camera, the temperature of the FLIR camera itself (in concert with his hand) varies from red to white in the assigned temp scale.
At 0:23 seconds, the FLIR is panned about so that it is closer to perpendicular to the surface of the neo. At this time slot we begin to see a more direct reflection of the FLIR camera as it is reflected from the surface of the neo. If this were a video using a standard video camera, one would begin to see the image of the camera reflected off the face of the neo. Imagine using a video camera with a flood light mounted onto it pointing forward. If one were to aim that camera at a mirror, at a steep angle, the light would bounce off the mirror and away from the video camera. As one pans so that the video camera is looking directly at (perpendicular to) the mirror, the floodlight on the camera would reflect off the mirror and when perpendicular to the mirror it would produce an intense flare that would temporarily "blind" the camera (i.e., one would see the floodlight directed directly at the camera). This is what is beginning to occur at this 0:23 second time slot, but in this instance, it is the heat generated from the FLIR itself that is being reflected back towards the FLIR camera.
As the video proceeds to the 0:31 second mark, the position of the FLIR places the reflected heat image of the FLIR such that its image is seen at the edge of the magnet and reflected off the face of the CRT. The indicated higher temperatures are not the true temperatures of the magnet or CRT but are merely reflections of the heat source (the FLIR). We know this because when the angles were such that the heat of the FLIR was not reflected off the objects in view and back towards the FLIR, the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT were all the same temperature and closer to ambient (as indicated in the 0:20 to 0:23 time periods).
Between the 0:36 and 0:37 time period, TA begins to pan away from the previous view. As he pans, the FLIR camera is momentarily positioned so that it is almost perpendicular to and centered on the face of the magnet and an intense flare occurs as the FLIR camera captures an almost direct reflection of its own higher temperature heat image. If one needs an analogy, imagine pointing a flashlight at a mirror so that the light from the flashlight blinds yourself.
By 0:38 seconds, the temperature of the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT, all return to their previous and homogenous temperatures and all but disappear into the ambient temperature levels. Again this indicates that the magnet is emitting no heat above ambient and that all that the increased magnet temperatures seen as TA panned about were merely due to reflection of the heat produced by the FLIR camera itself. Even with only the most basic understanding of FLIR operation, this should be readily apparent to everyone watching this video. (I did not bother watching the video beyond this time point)
Throughout, the above portion of the video, TA is making all sorts of arrogant and baseless claims regarding what he believes he is actually seeing. His claims that the magnet is emitting or dissipating heat are not at all supported by the FLIR evidence he presents, but is actually refuted by that evidence.
Possibly this was his first experience with FLIR and that he merely "jumped the gun" in making conclusions based on this inexperience, which can to some degree be forgiven. However, this seems to be a pattern with regard to most all of his experiments wherein he rarely bothers to fully isolate the cause of an observed phenomenon and stops experimenting as soon as he achieves a result that he believes somehow supports his position.
However, surely by now he has had a bit more time to work with his FLIR camera. Merely pointing the FLIR camera directly at any highly reflective non-magnetized surface using the same sensitivity setting used above would provide all the evidence he needs to support the fact that the magnet's heat he supposedly observed in the above video was only a reflection of the heat from the FLIR camera itself.
Although one can understand how an inexperienced operator might jump to the far fetched conclusions that TA does in this video, it is difficult to believe that he has not by now realized his errors and come forth with a retraction or correction of his extraordinary and unsupported claims.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 18, 2014, 11:42:55 PM
So this video must really provide some fantastic proof in support of his claims.
take your FLIR out , make a video for us........
prove me wrong boy. ;D
talk is cheap.
I know you and HighforMiles want to take a GIANT DIRTY SHIT on something genuine and new. Discovery, understanding. Experiments, more experiments
logic
proof
rational
Keep flapping your lips, that and $5 will get you a starbucks coffee. ;D
Quote from: picowatt on August 18, 2014, 11:42:55 PM
TA is making all sorts of arrogant and baseless claims regarding what he believes he is actually seeing
Fallacy, prick. ::) ;D
the FLIR is "seeing it" thats a FLIR SHOT, not my eyeballs.
This is pointing the FLIR AROUND THE CORNER, SO BODY HEAT REFLECTANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE,.......my entire body is unexposed to that room during the shot..>>>>>>>>>>>
also no lights on in that room EVER, very late at night in total darkness.
you lose.
PW:
QuoteAlthough one can understand how an inexperienced operator might jump to the far fetched conclusions that TA does in this video, it is difficult to believe that he has not by now realized his errors and come forth with a retraction or correction of his extraordinary and unsupported claims.
I followed your description along with the clip and I can see exactly what you stated. Kenny should make a retraction but instead he made two "panic" postings, as if that makes any difference. Thanks for your astute observations.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on August 19, 2014, 12:05:16 AM
This is pointing the FLIR AROUND THE CORNER using an EXTENSION, SO BODY HEAT REFLECTANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE,.......
my entire body is unexposed to that room during the shot..>>>>>>>>>>>
no lights in that room, 4AM in the morning.
All your lip flapping is for naught. ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on August 19, 2014, 12:05:16 AM
PW:
I followed your description along with the clip and I can see exactly what you stated. Kenny should make a retraction but instead he made two "panic" postings, as if that makes any difference. Thanks for your astute observations.
MileHigh
MH,
Yes, quite predictably, TA resorts to a tantrum of demeaning insults and the strawman and sophistic arguments that he always accuses others of using. He also typically makes a rapid series of long posts filled with images in an apparent effort to bury any posts he hopes others will not see. He did the same thing when called on his statements regarding a magnetizer "discharging capacitors directly thru the poles of a pre-magnet".
Being unable to admit being wrong now and again is a very poor trait for an experimentalist to have. It is always wise to hold off on arrogant and extraordinary claims until all other possibilities have been explored and ruled out.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 19, 2014, 12:14:21 AM
MH,
Yes, quite predictably, TA resorts to a tantrum
PW
I sense the frustration that your SACRED COW has been pushed off a cliff.
Your buddy in SOPHISTRY and DIVERSION said:::::::
>>>>>>>>>Quote from: MileHigh on Today at 03:54:26 AM
>>>>>>>>>I don't know why torque is being imparted on the small magnet to make it spin. So, now Ill ask YOU......... ;D ;D ;D explain it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulmlXKYbjSU
you cannot
Dear readers,
If there are any EF members here, please feel free to copy/paste/post my discussion related to TA's FLIR video over there on TA's thread for a continued and rational discussion there if desired.
PW
@TA
1) gravity force
1a) no torque
1b) quantity relative to mass
2) electrostatic force (balloon on a wall)
2a) no torque
2b) quantity relative to charge (non-motion?)(something, if not electrons, then what? just say 'dielectric field' ? )
3) magnetostatic force (2 magnets, voidance/countervoidance... still have the behavior of attraction/repulssion/++ )
3a) torque ; bodies want to line up an axis of vs another magnet
3b) quantity relative to charge motion
?) Inertia; although may be a product of gravity
4) Weak/Strong force ; since we can already suggest that they're purely math correction factors, and the math is just wrong... are these fixable by a single dielectric equation? And if 2 of 4 are from the same thing, is gravity a dielectric effect? Is this?
re: 3b
I started to write as a retort to MH; but trashed it. But,
There are domains of consistant motions that form sub-fields with their own independant central axis.
In a unbroken, solid magnet, this domain is larger; although other than the external forces felt (named magnetic field, described as a field resulting from dielectric motion **) you can't actually SEE the domain.
Plus there's something with it being solid in the first place, if you break a magnet along the magnetic moment (the axis which is described as normal to a plane of dielectric motion), how has a separate domain, and there's no way to put it back together... to make it solid... it is sort of like the difference of an alloy and their original metals)
The thickness of a magnet vs it's diameter affects where metal balls want to go on it, as well as the shape.... I have some 1"x1"x1/8" square magnets, magnetised through the 1/8", and a 1/4" steel ball wants to go to 4 distinct points on the square, as I add more magnets, these areas move (to the center?)
** dielectric motion; some would say discharge, but that really implies a finite action, not an eternal extion... discharge a cap or battery
Quote from: d3x0r on August 19, 2014, 12:54:27 AM
?) Inertia; although may be a product of gravity
Inertia is a property of all Ether modalities.
THE LOSS OF DIELECTRIC INERTIA, IN DISCHARGE, NECESSITATES ITS SPATIAL VECTORIZATION INTO POLARIZATION, THIS IS THE ETHER-MODALITY "MAGNETISM". - AUTHOR
Either "stable" (for a time) inertial Ether modalities, or the
Ether in loss of inertia which (OF COURSE) = MAGNETISM.
4) Weak/Strong force
The so-called strong nuclear force is just dielectricity.
re: 3b
I started to write as a retort to MH; but trashed it.
Good idea ;D
Quote from: d3x0r on August 19, 2014, 12:54:27 AM
** dielectric motion; some would say discharge, but that really implies a finite action, not an eternal extion... discharge a cap or battery
POINCARE' DISK MODEL NEEDS TO BE STUDIED to grasp inertia and what its LOSS necessitates the formation of.
I'm unable to see any of the vids due to my dodgy internet connection running out of bandwidth; however, I have been studying Saturn for some time (for various reasons that are really, really out there, Saturn is a fantastic view of magnetism in action and we really should have more satellites orbiting it) and came across this little gem.
Again, I'm impartial to the trash talk though I agree there's nothing wrong with being wrong every now again.
Plus, this thread has made more people stop and think about the universe than any QEG crap has.
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/newsreleases/newsrelease20131204/ <<<<<<< This is a Gif of the Hexagon storm currently on Saturn. Is this where you got your idea from TA?
Quote from: john_doe on August 19, 2014, 01:16:39 AM
I'm unable to see any of the vids due to my dodgy internet connection running out of bandwidth; however, I have been studying Saturn for some time (for various reasons that are really, really out there, Saturn is a fantastic view of magnetism in action and we really should have more satellites orbiting it) and came across this little gem.
Again, I'm impartial to the trash talk though I agree there's nothing wrong with being wrong every now again.
Plus, this thread has made more people stop and think about the universe than any QEG crap has.
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/newsreleases/newsrelease20131204/ <<<<<<< This is a Gif of the Hexagon storm currently on Saturn. Is this where you got your idea from TA?
I assume you meant QED
Considering what you said above, i have a GEM for you, go to this site and have a LOT of intellectual fun and discovery>>>
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb4d.html
<<<< This is a Gif of the Hexagon storm currently on Saturn. Is this where you got your idea from TA?
No, I have never seen that image before, interesting.
magnet does rotate on a dielectric with the pole against the diamagnetic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ErwCvY7E0o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ErwCvY7E0o)
at least it does have a strong tendancy too... without being on a curved surface, so the point of contact doesn't really apply...
Well looking at that pic I'd say that adds to your theory.
Those that have actually read Einstein's theory of relativity shouldn't have forgotten the first few chapters; Looking at something differently gives you a different perspective. In actuality, both views are usually right. At the very minimum these theories shouldn't be met with such distaste. Instead we should be applying them throughout the Solar System to see if they work on the large scale. Eliminating particles altogether because they're yet more theories.
This is what they're saying about Saturn;
""The hexagon is just a current of air, and weather features out there that share similarities to this are notoriously turbulent and unstable," said Andrew Ingersoll, a Cassini imaging team member at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. "A hurricane on Earth typically lasts a week, but this has been here for decades -- and who knows -- maybe centuries."
Weather patterns on Earth are interrupted when they encounter friction from landforms or ice caps. Scientists suspect the stability of the hexagon has something to do with the lack of solid landforms on Saturn, which is essentially a giant ball of gas."
So something that is nearly perfectly round, in-comprehensively large to humans (9x size of Earth), doesn't have any landforms, gives a spectacular view of reflective sunlight, has a storm moving 24x7x365 exactly as TA has predicted?
Eventually this theory will be proven right.... Although I hope when scientists eventually do, their peers don't react in the same negative manner.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 19, 2014, 02:03:09 AM
magnet does rotate on a dielectric with the pole against the diamagnetic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ErwCvY7E0o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ErwCvY7E0o)
at least it does have a strong tendancy too... without being on a curved surface, so the point of contact doesn't really apply...
uploading new video on "flat surface" as per your request now.
Quote from: john_doe on August 19, 2014, 02:03:52 AM
Well looking at that pic I'd say that adds to your theory.
Those that have actually read Einstein's theory of relativity
Except Einstein blames everything on the flies (SPACE) buzzing around the horse poop (spatial / mass/ magnitude) ,......and he leaves out the HORSE (dielectricity/ Ether) .
He committed the Platonic sin of inverse fallacy of reification.
Other than that, agreed. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 02:07:27 AM
uploading new video on "flat surface" as per your request now.
beat ya to it :p :) some things I can answer for myself...
Hmmm nope don't get it... well maybe, if the spin of the field is also accounted, then maybe I dunnno it ended up backwards in the pipe condition
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 18, 2014, 11:52:08 PM
Fallacy, prick. ::) ;D
the FLIR is "seeing it" thats a FLIR SHOT, not my eyeballs.
This is pointing the FLIR AROUND THE CORNER, SO BODY HEAT REFLECTANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE,.......my entire body is unexposed to that room during the shot..>>>>>>>>>>>
also no lights on in that room EVER, very late at night in total darkness.
you lose.
TA,
So what, exactly, do you disagree with regarding my post discussing your FLIR video?
You talk of a "fallacy" but address nothing I discussed directly. Surely even you must agree that at 0:20 to 0:21 in your video the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are all indicated by the FLIR as being at the same relatively low temperature.
Do you believe that the reflective surfaces of the magnet and CRT spontaneously or magically began emitting heat based on where the FLIR is positioned?
Your video provides no evidence to support any of the claims you state it does, and in fact, totally refutes your assertions.
PW
Quote from: d3x0r on August 19, 2014, 02:16:55 AM
beat ya to it :p :) some things I can answer for myself...
I know you get it. ;)
Your idea was good, and I acted on it, ....just for myself for others, and also I added the explanation.
Quote from: picowatt on August 19, 2014, 02:25:49 AM
Your video provides no evidence to support any of the claims you state it does, and in fact, totally refutes your assertions.
This is pointing the FLIR AROUND THE CORNER using an extension on the FLIR,
SO BODY HEAT REFLECTANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE,.......my entire body is unexposed to that room during the shot..>>>>>>>>>>>Heres what, son, buy your own FLIR, post a video proving me wrong. Ill watch it. ;D
You produce jack shit.
The ancients called your type an "Eel wriggler". In ancient Prakrit they called your type a "snake tongue", it... "sticks out a couple inches and snaps at you but poses no harm, but fear in fools" - Udana
Grab onto logic son, radiation = heat = discharge.
How much radiative HEAT in centrifugal magnetism? Not much at all, not even enough to power an ant fart. But, as necessitated, it IS there.
NOW, tell us WHY the CATHODE FREEZES WHEN THE ANODE GETS HOTdo you know why? I seriously fucking doubt it.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 02:49:07 AM
This is pointing the FLIR AROUND THE CORNER using an extension on the FLIR, SO BODY HEAT REFLECTANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE,.......my entire body is unexposed to that room during the shot..>>>>>>>>>>>
Heres what, son, buy your own FLIR, post a video proving me wrong. Ill watch it. ;D
You produce jack shit. The ancients called your type an "Eel wriggler".
In ancient Prakrit they called your type a "snake tongue", it... "sticks out a couple inches and snaps at you but poses no harm, but fear in fools" - Udana
Grab onto logic son, radiation = heat = discharge.
How much radiative HEAT in centrifugal magnetism? Not much at all, not even enough to power an ant fart. But, as necessitated, it IS there.
NOW, tell us WHY the CATHODE FREEZES WHEN THE ANODE GETS HOT
do you know why? I seriously fucking doubt it.
TA,
Did you even read my post?
You have not responded to any of the points I raised in my post regarding your "magnet against the CRT" FLIR video.
I take it you disagree with my observations and conclusions regarding that FLIR video, yet you refuse to discuss or even mention exactly what it is you disagree with.
Regarding the static image you posted of the neo on the floor apparently at a higher temperature than its surroundings, there are two things that must be considered and ruled out before any conclusions or extraordinary claims can be made.
First, with regard to reflections, did you pan about the room looking for any thermal sources of similar temperature? (that is, the ceiling, walls, windows or any objects in the room) The room could appear completely dark to the human eye, but without using the FLIR to completely investigate any possible heat sources dissipating at a similar temperature from objects in the room or diffuse heat sources shining thru the open door you aimed the FLIR thru, there is no way of knowing if the observed temperature was due to reflections or not. Painting the surface of the magnet ultra flat black or covering it with some other IR non-reflective material would reduce reflections to a degree, but even doing that would require careful measurements to determine the effectiveness of that reflection reduction method. Longwave IR will reflect nicely off of many objects that appear non-reflective in visible wavelengths. Even placing the FLIR in an otherwise dark room can cause the heat dissipated from the FLIR to produce a diffuse IR glow within the room. An alternative method to investigate whether the indicated temperature of the magnet is due to reflections or not would be to place a similarly IR reflective object located close to and in the same plane as the magnet being observed. If the observed temp is related to reflection both objects should show the reflected heat similarly.
The second thing that must be considered is the large thermal mass of the neo magnet in the image. It is possible that the room wherein the magnet was located had been slightly warmer earlier in the day, or that the sun might have been shining thru a window onto that area of the room. The thermal mass of the magnet would dissipate its stored heat for quite some time compared to the lower thermal masses the magnet rests upon. In other words, the magnet may have not yet fully cooled from some earlier temp increase compared to its surroundings. Again, no conclusions should be made until this is ruled out.
Did you make a video of the magnet resting on the floor at the apparently elevated temperature? When making FLIR videos, the true temperature of an object will not typically change when the FLIR is panned toward that object from different angles. Any changes in indicated temperature that do occur when the angles change is typically due to changes in illumination angles from IR sources being reflected from the surface of the object, and not the object itself changing temperature.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 19, 2014, 03:54:04 AM
Did you make a video of the magnet resting on the floor at the apparently elevated temperature?
RIght, because heat doesnt rise, it sits at the ground.
No, wait....uhmmm. ROFL
Go buy a FLIR, make a video, then kiss it where it doesnt heat from the sun doesnt shine.
Youre nothing but a sophist.
author=d3x0r
Been testing my "programmed" BISMUTH discovery.........., it will do SINGLE DISK levitation at 11 to 15 mm higher than standard melt-pour bismuth disks will.
great stuff.
just a starter pic below, then i removed the cloth and did exact measurements after confirming my suspicions.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 19, 2014, 02:03:09 AM
magnet does rotate on a dielectric with the pole against the diamagnetic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ErwCvY7E0o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ErwCvY7E0o)
at least it does have a strong tendancy too... without being on a curved surface, so the point of contact doesn't really apply...
You are missing the most important part of your demonstration, because you have been blinded. Or rather, dazzled by the glare of useless reflections of a wasted genius.
You are even unable to see just _why_ your magnets rotate, because you are performing _demonstrations_ rather than true experiments. Let's see if you can observe what is happening in _this_ video and explain it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bas00qdj6Xc
Quote from: john_doe on August 19, 2014, 02:03:52 AM
Well looking at that pic I'd say that adds to your theory.
Those that have actually read Einstein's theory of relativity shouldn't have forgotten the first few chapters; Looking at something differently gives you a different perspective. In actuality, both views are usually right. At the very minimum these theories shouldn't be met with such distaste. Instead we should be applying them throughout the Solar System to see if they work on the large scale. Eliminating particles altogether because they're yet more theories.
This is what they're saying about Saturn;
""The hexagon is just a current of air, and weather features out there that share similarities to this are notoriously turbulent and unstable," said Andrew Ingersoll, a Cassini imaging team member at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. "A hurricane on Earth typically lasts a week, but this has been here for decades -- and who knows -- maybe centuries."
Weather patterns on Earth are interrupted when they encounter friction from landforms or ice caps. Scientists suspect the stability of the hexagon has something to do with the lack of solid landforms on Saturn, which is essentially a giant ball of gas."
So something that is nearly perfectly round, in-comprehensively large to humans (9x size of Earth), doesn't have any landforms, gives a spectacular view of reflective sunlight, has a storm moving 24x7x365 exactly as TA has predicted?
Eventually this theory will be proven right.... Although I hope when scientists eventually do, their peers don't react in the same negative manner.
You may be interested in these images. The first is comparing a simulator result to the actual polar vortex on Saturn, the second is from my laboratory:
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 04:15:37 AM
RIght, because heat doesnt rise, it sits at the ground.
No, wait....uhmmm. ROFL
Go buy a FLIR, make a video, then kiss it where it doesnt heat from the sun doesnt shine.
Youre nothing but a sophist.
TA,
You claim I am a sophist, but it is YOU that most always responds to my posts with sophistry, strawmans and insulting tones, just as you do in this and your previous replies regarding my FLIR discussion.
Again, you have addressed none of the points I raised in my posts, nor have you expressed just what it is in my post that you disagree with.
Apparently you do not understand why I asked if you made a VIDEO of the magnet on the floor. I thought you were smarter than that. I even explained why I asked
Being unable to admit being wrong now and again is a crippling trait for any experimentalist. It sadly breeds a closed mind.
PW
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 19, 2014, 04:23:08 AM
You are missing the most important part of your demonstration, because you have been blinded. Or rather, dazzled by the glare of useless reflections of a wasted genius.
You are even unable to see just _why_ your magnets rotate, because you are performing _demonstrations_ rather than true experiments. Let's see if you can observe what is happening in _this_ video and explain it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bas00qdj6Xc
You, son, are confusing
MOVEMENT - ROTATION - SPIN (once again).
Love the name of your high class video, "weird eddy".
Once was a guy named "Weird Eddy" they locked him up for molesting little children as I recall. I didnt know leaches lived on dry land and owned computers.
You are what
Dr. Jennings called "an intellectual vampire of discovery and invention. A true intellectual demon of, not low worth, but NEGATIVE worth"
Quote from: picowatt on August 19, 2014, 04:28:54 AM
TA,
PW
Son, you and KoalaShit, and HighforMiles all fall in the same bucket of trash.
You're a pothole on the road to life, and a wart on the ass of the living.
But you will never get me or slow me done son. Go buy a FLIR, go experiment,
go FUCKING DO SOMETHING , stop being a lazy POS Keyboard jockey ;D
Was that an insult? Yes it was.
I do more in 48 hours than you do all year to date. By the way, lip flapping doesnt count for jack.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 04:33:06 AM
Son, you and KoalaShit, and HighforMiles all fall in the same bucket of trash.
You're a pothole on the road to life, and a wart on the ass of the living.
But you will never get me or slow me done son. Go buy a FLIR, go experiment,
go FUCKING DO SOMETHING , stop being a lazy POS Keyboard jockey ;D
Was that an insult? Yes it was.
I do more in 48 hours than you do all year to date. By the way, lip flapping doesnt count for jack.
Again, you respond with nothing of substance, only insulting diversions and foul language.
I have worked with both LW and MW FLIR systems built for commercial, scientific, and military uses. This includes detectors using cryo liquid and cryo pump cooling as well as stacked TE cooling. After using these systems for a while, one acquires a pretty good feel for what is actually being displayed.
As for experimentation, I actually do well controlled experiments every day that require great lengths just to set them up and to eliminate or control variables. Most of the tests I performed just today required current measurements in the 10
-15 amp range, which is not an easy task to perform with a significant and traceable degree of accuracy (coincidentally, I was working with an entire library of dielectrics).
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 19, 2014, 04:58:34 AM
Again, you respond with nothing of substance, only insulting diversions and foul language.
sounds great, go make us a video about it.
You have a 30 pound 6" neodymium and FLIR for testing.
All the time you PISSED AWAY TALKING , you could have done the experiment AND video 10X already.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 05:02:39 AM
sounds great, go make us a video about it.
You have a 30 pound 6" neodymium and FLIR for testing.
All the time you PISSED AWAY TALKING , you could have done the experiment AND video 10X already.
All the time you "pissed away" with diversionary and insulting posts could have been used by you to actually state just what it is that you disagree with in my posts.
You might consider opening that very closed mind of yours and actually learn something.
PW
You might consider opening that very closed mind of yours and actually learn something.
all radiation generates heat. Now, go pound sand, monkey
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 05:21:20 AM
all radiation generates heat. Now, go pound sand, monkey
So then logically, based on this statement of yours, it would seem that if a magnet does not appear to produce heat above its ambient, "magnetism" must not be a "radiation".
In your FLIR video, at 0:20 to 0:21 or so, the magnet is clearly not at a temperature different from its holding fixture, the CRT or the immediate surroundings in general (hence its barely visible outline).
Does that indicate that magnetism is not a "radiation" as you suggest?
PW
TheoriaApophasis: Rational thinkers know that the burden of proof is the responsibility of the person making the assertion. Clear thinkers/true
experimentalists will objectively consider and rule out other reasonable explanations for their observations/results. You
addressed the body heat but not the heat from the FLIR camera (active electronic device) as the possible source of the higher
temperature detected on the surface of the magnet as reasonably put forward by Picowatt.
You don't care about public perception which you are entitled to, but there are negative consequences such as losing credibility
when you choose not to address reasonable counter arguments to your assertions. This is compounded when you attempt to
divert attention from a valid point and/or make derogatory, contradictory or irrational remarks.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 18, 2014, 11:48:00 PM
Experiments, more experiments
logic
proof
rational
? ? ?
Validation of magnetvortex AGAIN and AGAIN !!
SPINNING MAGNET ON A MAGLITE !!!
..................................next time lets put a cherry on top !!
Thanks Ken.... !!!!!
BY Acca.......................................................................................I don't care it it's wrong... It's my bloody clip !!! do your own !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFNRp9aqeBk&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFNRp9aqeBk&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
Quote from: Rfacts on August 19, 2014, 05:43:07 AM
You don't care about public perception which you are entitled to, but there are negative consequences such as losing credibility
when you choose not to address reasonable counter arguments to your assertions
Youre damn right, I do NOT give a DAMN
I retired at age 32, do what I want when I want. IM NOT SELLING ANYTHING TO ANYONE.
I dont give a single damn ( as stated on page 1 and further) to prove anything to crusty douchebag mental midgets who dont want their sacred cow (quantum and crypto-Atomism) slaughtered.
I have NO "consequences ", and idiot assholes that worry about "CRED" are:
1. politicians
2. morons
3. men trying to impress the opposite gender in order to get laid.
I , son, am NONE of those three.
If you want someone to kiss your ass and lie to you, go pay a hooker to tell you what a stud you are and how big your 'package' is.
I am a Platonist, ancient Prakrit, Russian, and Greek translator, and I seek approval from neither yourself nor anyone here.
Got that? Lux et Veritas.
Quote from: Rfacts on August 19, 2014, 05:43:07 AM
This is compounded when you attempt to divert attention from a valid point and/or make derogatory,
Im not IN a popularity contest son, ....that is the realm of :
1. politicians
2. Hookers / wh0resI assume you think I am one of those two?
I appreciate genuine logic, experimentation, Platonic methods, and intelligent investigations.
Everyone else can go pound sand.
Yes TA, I believe you already mentioned all that. Several times...
Quote from: Acca on August 19, 2014, 07:52:11 AM
Validation of magnetvortex AGAIN and AGAIN !!
SPINNING MAGNET ON A MAGLITE !!!
..................................next time lets put a cherry on top !!
Thanks Ken.... !!!!!
BY Acca.......................................................................................I don't care it it's wrong... It's my bloody clip !!! do your own !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFNRp9aqeBk&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFNRp9aqeBk&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
Acca,
Consider an electrically conductive metal, a moving magnet and induced eddy currents...
PW
Quote from: Acca on August 19, 2014, 07:52:11 AM
.I don't care it it's wrong... It's my bloody clip !!! do your own !!
Who is going to say it is "wrong"? Maybe HighforMiles, but , how does that count? ;D
He already told me he "didnt know how/why it spun diff on opposite poles" . (obviously).
anyone getting their hands 'dirty' and "sticking mother nature with a poking stick" is commendable.
Pure discovery and a lust for comprehension, not for sake of rewards etc, but discovery as both means and ends.
99% of the world is trying to get
1. high 2. rich 3. laid 4. respect (and 1 thru 4).A few are interested in understanding and are happy with its rewards.
Keep torturing mother nature, thats how she lets her secrets slip out (insert laughter).
;D
Quote from: picowatt on August 19, 2014, 08:06:50 AM
Consider an electrically conductive metal, a moving magnet and induced eddy currents...
PW
Consider that,
that in NO GODDAMN way explains inverse spin at opposite polarization. ;D
Might I remind you that electrical current is not, cannot be impelling inverse spin on the Universes most diamagnetic element, Bismuth ;D
I love your "logic" (rather lack thereof)
TA,
Continued misdirection and strawmans. You said you had excellent debate skills. Where are they?
You also stated an appreciation for logic, where is that lacking in my FLIR discussions?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 19, 2014, 08:22:42 AM
Continued misdirection and strawmans. You said you had excellent debate skills. Where are they?
You also stated an appreciation for logic, where is that lacking in my FLIR discussions?
Im still waiting for your FLIR video validation of proof of my refutation.......where is it?
On the prior:
There is NO DENOTATIVE implication of Eddy current inducing INVERSE SPIN at opposite polarities, ;D ;D ;D ;D
ONLY inverse induced eddy currents to the "moving field", which has NO QUALIFIER for polarity SPIN DIRECTION
So, your strawman "validation" has been deconstructed as hot air and bullshit.
Eddy currents (I, red) induced in a conductive metal plate (C) as it moves to right under a magnet (N). The magnetic field (B, green) is directed down through the plate. From Lenz's law the increasing field at the leading edge of the magnet (left) induces a counterclockwise current, which creates its own magnetic field (left blue arrow) directed up, which opposes the magnet's field, producing a retarding force. Similarly, at the trailing edge of the magnet (right), a clockwise current and downward counterfield is created (right blue arrow) also producing a retarding force.
TA,
Are your reading comprehension skills so poor that you require a video?
PW
QuoteConsider an electrically conductive metal, a moving magnet and induced eddy currents...Quote
So aluminum is not conductive ??? maybe on Mars !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJNBz-DGSzg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJNBz-DGSzg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgIqRf6UIiY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgIqRf6UIiY)
Quote from: picowatt on August 19, 2014, 08:29:27 AM
TA,
Are your reading comprehension skills so poor that you require a video?
PW
speculation and pontificative conjecture are both logomachy and non-substantive / empirically unsubstantiated.
Or, in short, "put up or shut up".
"I have found great difficulty in conceiving of the existence of vortices in a medium, side by side, revolving in the same direction about
parallel axes.
The contiguous portions of consecutive vortices must be moving in opposite directions; and it is difficult to understand
how the motion of one part of the medium can coexist with, and even produce, an opposite motion of a part in contact with it. In (a
mechanical) mechanism, when two wheels are intended to revolve in the same direction, a wheel is placed between them so as to be in
gear with both, and this wheel is called an 'idle wheel'. The hypothesis about the vortices which I have to suggest is that a layer of
particles, acting as idle wheels, is interposed between each vortex and the next, so that each vortex has a tendency to make the
neighboring vortices revolve in the same direction."
- James Clerk MaxwellThats James Clerk Maxwell, moron
or, DONT YOU READ the godfathers of electricity? (Maxwell, Heaviside, Tesla, Steinmetz)
Quote from: Acca on August 19, 2014, 08:30:40 AM
Acca,
Who said aluminum was not conductive? What do you think I meant by "electrically conductive metal"?
PW
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 08:32:11 AM
speculation and pontificative conjecture are both logomachy and non-substantive / empirically unsubstantiated.
Or, in short, "put up or shut up".
I did "put up" in my FLIR discussion. It is you that has "shut up" with regard to what was discussed in that post.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 19, 2014, 08:36:45 AM
I did "put up" in my FLIR discussion.
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discussion
lip flapping
LOGOMACHY
verbal diarrhea
diatribe
sophistomachy
talk
twaddle
cud chewing
speculation
pontification
musings
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 08:39:10 AM
key word highlighted
discussion
lip flapping
LOGOMACHY
verbal diarrhea
diatribe
sophistomachy
talk
twaddle
cud chewing
speculation
pontification
musings
Add a bit of diversion and condescension and that list pretty much sums up your responses to my FLIR related posts.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 19, 2014, 08:43:26 AM
Add a bit of diversion and condescension and that list pretty much sums up your responses to my post.
PW
Thats the point ( I assume youre an AUS) wanker. you POST, you dont VALIDATE jack.
Go make us a video or write a book of your theory for us all to peruse. (preferably both)
Keyboard Jockey ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
Thats the point ( I assume youre an AUS) wanker. you POST, you dont VALIDATE jack.
Go make us a video or write a book of your theory for us all to peruse. (preferably both)
Keyboard Jockey ;D
Just more of the same. Quite telling indeed...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 19, 2014, 08:48:09 AM
PW
Tell us how your eddy current pontification
explains inverse spin at polarization via here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBS2bE8-CmE
You cannot.
There is NO DENOTATIVE implication of Eddy current inducing INVERSE SPIN at opposite polarities, ;D ;D ;D ;D ONLY inverse induced eddy currents to the "moving field", which has NO QUALIFIER for polarity SPIN DIRECTION
MIGHT I REMIND YOU OF THE MANY VIDEOS TINMANPOWER made,
which as you can tell, shocked HIM when he was testing inverse magnetic spin.And I think we ALL KNOW the 100s of electrical videos experiments HE HAS MADE
100s
Your sacred cow was a collection of bullshit dreamed up by the Cult of Quantum and Atomistic Relativists
"virtual photons ...mediate magnetic action at a distance"- Feynman.Yeah, right, MY FUCKING ASS :o :o ;D ;D
Virtual photons. Why not say "unicorns and angels do it"
Kiddies,..... its
TIME TO RETURN to Maxwell, Tesla, CP Steinmetz, and Heaviside. <<<<<<
everything AFTER THEM has been a
cluster-fuck of Atomistic Unicorn-particles and Quantum-bullshit that is nothing but a RELIGIONIt produces nothing but paperwork. NOTHING.
"Where common sense and intuition failed, we (the insane relativists) had to create a new form of intuition based upon abstract (unreal) mathematics. When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense."
-Leonard Susskind, professor theoretical physics, and priest of the cult of Quantum
Quantum insanity: "Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real."
– N. BohrQuantum insanity: "The more you see how strange nature behaves, the harder it is for us to make a model that explains even the how the most simple phenomena works. Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit."
– R. FeynmanSo, .
.. QUANTUM RELIGION says Mother nature is an INSANE BITCH ON CRACK with virtual particles and "negative momentum muons" up her sleeve
OMFG, society is DOOMED
fields see only fields! fields care only about fields! A movie about the vortex shape of magnetic field, or the voidance between CW and CCW tornadoes, or with my words concatenation at the ends of two opposite helical-vortexial ether dynamics!
a special attention have to be paid for the angle of the ball magnet related to the axis of symmetry of cylindrical magnet under the glass. also to the liniar movement of the same.
If the magnets poles are changed, the effect will be rotating the opposite.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN5Kz-LmAO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN5Kz-LmAO8)
Quote from: sadang on August 19, 2014, 10:06:49 AM
fields see only fields! fields care only about fields! A movie about the vortex shape of magnetic field, or the voidance between CW and CCW tornadoes, or with my words concatenation at the ends of two opposite helical-vortexial ether dynamics!
a special attention have to be paid for the angle of the ball magnet related to the axis of symmetry of cylindrical magnet under the glass. also to the liniar movement of the same.
If the magnets poles are changed, the effect will be rotating the opposite.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN5Kz-LmAO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN5Kz-LmAO8)
We use different words, no worries, its the nature of humanity. Nothing is known or expressed except by and thru the modality of the Knower. ;)\
lovely
We are all different ! I get very upset when particle physics is never included or even the mention of it is attacked by them who refuse to learn it ! There is no magnetic field spinning its particles not magnetises ! Free energy is simple make a system that works and you will final see how simple it is ! But you will need to apply physics to understand it and also particle physics to isolate all the forces at play !!! I have 9 free energy systems !!! ITS KIDS PHYSICS !!! NOTHING TO IT !!! If Kenny thinks he knows magnetics get him to produce the evidence of a spinning magnetic vortex show the lines of force spinning prove it with something real and solid ....
My proof is in what I build not the stupid words that will mean nothing more than paper it is written on ! No proof of a magnetic vortex means there is no magnetic vortex its like saying an elephant can fly but that is impossible but Kenny says he can !!! A magnetic line of force is connected to the electron of an atom It can never be removed unless the mass of the atom is removed first .... There are many examples of a magnetic vortex is space the event horizon of a black hole is the best one to work with ! And that is where a magnetic vortex belongs .. You have a problem with gravity as to explain the spinning of a magnet on the lens or the two different vectors of spin in our earths gravity field ! A graviton has only 2 vectors of spin but there is no point in informing you about that as you refuse to study particle physics ... Kenny is the same cant get he's head round it so he just pushes it out the way and replaces it with madness !
The personality of Kenny remind me of HITLER !!! Destroy everything and everyone that wont see things the way he does and let me say a good friend of mine who is a professional psychiatrist has taken a good look at this thread and said that Kenny is bordering on becoming a psychopath one who refuses to except when he is wrong and attacks all that is truth with insults lies and sickening abuse ..... In other words Kenny is very dangerous time will tel what happens to him .... !!!
You must except the solid advancements made in quantum mechanics and particle physics please read the cosmological principle study the unified field learn what CERN is achieving ask what is the boson or the graviton ! Than ask CERN ! Stop inventing your own physics and changing the rules to back up mumbo jumbo land or you will end up like Kenny A TOTTAL FRUIT And nut job .... In he's physics the universe has no mass no particles no energy nothing more than just a blob of jelly ! I my view Kenny has no right to re invent the world of science and promote a book with no reality to it or any qualified understanding of science or physics I AM CONSIDERING A LEGAL CHALLANGE AGAINST HES BOOK !!! Who the hell does he think he is a scientist ???? That would be very funny !!!
Science must be protected as fact over fiction not philosophy over fiction or mumbo mixed up jumbo over logic and fact !!! Also Kenny has pictures that are also fake what does that say about the man ???? Now I must prove my self correct and to that gravity is to be a study of real technology to isolate its secret that to me is no more a secret than the fact that Kenny is a madman or just a con man who thinks he is cleaver .. The way he insults the masters of science and many other good people all of which is far more human than he is let along intelligent is starting to make me very angry and very soon he will receive far more than he was looking for !
There are rules to new science you publish via the correct channels with conformation to your claims providing repeatable and demonstrable experimental equations and equipment to back it up beyond any reasonable doubt but Kenny and he's clan of nincompoop's think they can just avoid all that make a book of false claims and pilot there way into the mind of people who know no difference only to make money from them ... The children of this world need protection from such utter nonsense and science must have protocol logic truth reality honesty love faith knowledge understanding .... Kenny must now provide the world with he's magnetic vortex magnet as to he's claims not the magnetic vortex in the universe the one he claims to have measured around a magnetic ... Do you finally understand ??? Also he's so called photon effect where he claims to have bent light round a magnet !!!
Let me assure you its impossible !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he is now beginning to see the error of he's ways and must with draw the book !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I challenge him to a court of law and the laws of science ........... By the end of it the world will become a safer place to live in !!!!!! And Kenny may get the right kind of help he needs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now challenge me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on !!!!
ME
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 19, 2014, 10:24:39 AM
your insanity is both sad and amusing.
Kinda like a French film. You watch it, but wish you had not.
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 19, 2014, 10:24:39 AM
We are all different !...
@ 93RDELEMENT
We are all different! And unique as manifestation here and now...
Tell me how can something be solid or real in a 99,99999 empty space at both, the cosmic and subatomic scales, acccording to QM? Or show me a black hole with its event horizont, or even a graviton which sould manifest here on our Earth, about yout talk with so great easiness!
You talk about Ken and say he remind you about HITLER! But your way to impose your materialistic way of thinking to him and to others here on this forum how can be interpreted? The same as HITLER and other ancient mystics leaders, chiefs, rulers, kings ... They all thought at their time that they have the truth, and only they hold it and others are just fools!
Ken does not impose anything to anyone, but only exposes! And has the right not to be interested in what others say about him! It's hard to digest this in a society founded on dogmatic obedience, but it is a natural behavior in a society that is truly free! You're in my eyes like an old chief of the Inquisition!
To challenge his book, means to challenge the books of Faraday, Maxwell, Steinmetz, Tesla, Thompson, Dollard and others! This is really a good joke! Why don't challenge also the Principia of Newton, the chinese ancient books, the Ramayana, Mahabharata and why not even the Bible or Coran! You are really "funny"!
If you have something apart from only words written here on this forum, please be my guest, show, add, post them here, otherwise stop making cheap figuration here!
And now a quote from Dollard:
"It is that Maxwell has many interpreters, but where is Maxwell's words? This is much like Christianity. Many religions, many churches, but no Jesus. Jesus is not a welcome guest in any church, nor is Maxwell. Here given is an intrinsic property of Human Society. It is written, it is invariably terminal, Jesus at age 33."
Friendly,
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on August 19, 2014, 11:57:39 AM
Or show me a black hole with its event horizont, or even a graviton which sould manifest here on our Earth, about yout talk with so great easiness!
Friendly,
SaDAng
Youd really like Stephen Crothers, he rips Einstein a new asshole 9 ways to Sunday on "black holes" and relativity, and he has the "cred" to do it.
....and the math.
If you dont like HIM, or his video (there are many),........Ill eat my underwear.
(Full Length) Stephen J. Crothers on Non-existence of Black Holes,The Failure of General Relativity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jINHHXaPrWA
Hes an Aussie, so folks here would like him
He uses logic, math, and deconstructs the bullshit of relativity.
Quote from: john_doe
I'm unable to see any of the vids due to my dodgy internet connection running out of bandwidth;
I have that problem occasionally as well on a shared
router. I use the YouTube Downloader add-on to FireFox
to solve the problem. I download all the videos rather
than attempting to watch them as streams, then have
the convenience of watching them from my hard drive
un-interrupted as often as I'd like.
If the videos are keepers I transfer them to a thumb drive
for future reference. My hard drive has limited space so
this is done often.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 19, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
My hard drive has limited space so
this is done often.
Ive got just shy of 220 hard drives (yeah, really) ;D ;D ;D
My "religion" is data protection, that and burning 100 year archival DVDs
and putting stuff on servers in Russia, Romania, and Arizona.
mostly Russia
This is one of the most interesting topics I have come across. I still have no idea what
a magnetic vortex would look like even if I had one of my own.
TA is admittedly a genius but comes across as quite childlike in his treatment of others.
I find TA and the likes of Crothers irritating in the extreme.
If black holes can't exist observational evidence suggests there must be something
driving what can be seen.
In all these experiments with something spinning there's always the ubiquitous human
hand or battery
93rd has a good sense of humour but he's wrong about the book. You have to have the
chance to see everything, then you can make up your own mind.
Nature loves spirals, they occur everywhere from a pine cone to a galaxy so I wouldn't
be at all surprised to see one involved in magnetic fields.
John.
Quote from: minnie on August 19, 2014, 02:27:01 PM
This is one of the most interesting topics I have come across. I still have no idea what
a magnetic vortex would look like even if I had one of my own.
TA is admittedly a genius but comes across as quite childlike in his treatment of others.
I find TA and the likes of Crothers irritating in the extreme.
If black holes can't exist observational evidence suggests there must be something
driving what can be seen.
In all these experiments with something spinning there's always the ubiquitous human
hand or battery
93rd has a good sense of humour but he's wrong about the book. You have to have the
chance to see everything, then you can make up your own mind.
Nature loves spirals, they occur everywhere from a pine cone to a galaxy so I wouldn't
be at all surprised to see one involved in magnetic fields.
John.
Well, this isnt a personality contest.
As for spirals, the breaking of inertia in discharge necessitates a golden ratio divergent 'spiral',
spinning wheel (in perfect inertia let us say), add its own 'friction' (ie discharge) ,
and you have a polarized vectorization (denotated as another Ether modality, ie "magnetism")or as Faraday called magnetism "the dielectric field"- Faraday
or accurate, the modality of which we IDENTIFY the discharge of dielectricity as ANOTHER "thing" (in discharge), = magnetism.
all spatial polarization / vectorization = radiation = discharge .....IS magnetism.
Magnetism IS NOT, IS NOT "driving/running/controlling" that "magnet" you and everyone else thinks is "so cool" with its polarized effects.
centripetal = dielectric = inertial
cetrifugal = death = discharge = magnetism
same as a Snail and his shell,
his shell is a DISCHARGE, is grown centrifugally............., the living critter , when you poke it, curls INSIDE its shell (vortex), ......centripetally
Mother nature is screaming at everyone, but nobody is listening
everyone is too busy trying to get RICH AND LAID :D ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 12:05:34 PM
Youd really like Stephen Crothers, he rips Einstein a new asshole 9 ways to Sunday on "black holes" and relativity, and he has the "cred" to do it.
....and the math.
If you dont like HIM, or his video (there are many),........Ill eat my underwear.
(Full Length) Stephen J. Crothers on Non-existence of Black Holes,The Failure of General Relativity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jINHHXaPrWA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jINHHXaPrWA)
Hes an Aussie, so folks here would like him
He uses logic, math, and deconstructs the bullshit of relativity.
Great movie Ken! I placed it in my personal archive, because I like it very much and I want to document all references used in it! Thanks!
Don't you ever call me a French man son !
Now lets get this sorted out you have one chance to redeem your self and one only ! Your fatal error is your mouth it stinks ! There is nothing wrong with being wrong its the way to find truth we all get it wrong before we get it right ! Believe it or not there is a lot of love and respect waiting for you when you admit that being wrong is an important part of finding truth in the pile of chaos you have put your self in ...... WE ALL WANT THE TRUTH !!! WE DONT GIVE A DAME WHERE IT COMES FROM !!!
At this pivotal point you continuously digging a hole you can never escape from and it will ruin your life career and possible your freedom ! STOP DIGGING AND LISTEN FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE! EVERYONE HERE IS INTELIGENT NOT JUST YOU ! RESPECT EVERYONE INCLUDING YOUR SELF ! SCIENCE IS NOT A GAME THERE ARE NO WINNERS JUST FACTS OR WRONG INFORMATION .....
I LIKE YOU A TINY LITTLE BIT ENOUGH TO TRY AND SAVE YOUR UN HOLY ARSE FROM THE BIGGER HOLE IN YOUR BRAIN !!! CLEAN THAT BOOK UP NOW !!! EXCEPT THE VACUUM AS FACT ! You must never insult the dead let alone a master of science ! Maxwell rules the vacuum it belongs to him and him alone not you ! There is a particle storm and we can only say at this point storm and a storm will need a depression that could be a vortex that need a magnetic vacuum . But that is no longer the point you have stepped way over the mark of common decency and the level of discussing remarks you have made means you have lost the plot and soon your mind will follow !
Make a public apology here to all that you have insulted and I will only ask them to forgive you and give you one last chance to be saved !!! When you have done that permit others in the quest of truth and any truth to be found you should ask to permit it to entre your book ... Change that book to the secrets of magnetism and I will give to you the either bubble ..
BE CALM NOW THE STORM HAS PASSED AND YOU MUST BEGIN AGAIN BUT WITH ALL THE HELP OF EVERYONE HERE NOT JUST YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Except these terms or you will pay a price of the living hell you are about to entre !!!! Take this rope and pull like a magnet towards truth and understanding .....
Regards
me
Quote from: 93RDELaMuNT
...
Make a public apology here to all that you have insulted and
I will only ask them to forgive you...
...
What some may see as "insults" others could see as
"compliments."
In its proper context; what seems on the surface
offensive retort may in fact be respectful dialogue.
It's a style very common in certain societies.
TA,93rd. says "I like you a tiny little bit enough". That's good to see, it really is the truth
we're trying to find and there's nothing better than a sensible debate.
At the end of the day there's going to be one correct scenario. The available empirical
evidence is going to take a fair bit of overturning.
It'll be nice to be able to tell my grand kids that I knew of Ken Wheeler!
John.
There is no respectful dialog with insult, this is a global community of science not a social encounter of culture , only respect for the truth and its fundamental laws old and new and made firm in logical debate proven by un deniable demonstrable truth independently examined and made final by a majority of the finest mind on this rock! If a tiny little speck of doubt is proven truth is not confirmed and that is the way it should be ..
I still see no common unity or an attempt to co create and share no a seed here to grow to help the worlds dyeing and poor and the evil that man makes is an open tap flooding every field of conscious or unconscious thought . Our world is in great danger and we all need to except our role to co create a change that will over turn the tide of evil that murders woman and children .. Knowledge is just one tool but how we behave is another let it be only fact not fiction that leads the way to a free world .... We must build and not just talk grow and not just sit just to think , Humanity depends on all the good not the bad so let go of who you think you are and where you come from and become for the first time a one body a one mind a one strength a one power a one people a one voice a one home called EARTH ....
REGARDS
ST MICHAEL CHRIST THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THE SOULS OF THE LIVING DEAD .........................LOL XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
THE END
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TRUTH
A long time ago there lived a magnet called electro neutorioum dielectrigalatica a grand magnet the finest ever created so powerful was its pull that the moon had to be shilled by its attraction, it was made to final the quest of the mystery of the vacuum that is held between the gate keeper and the holy grail ! A man called Kenneth wheeloventorious a proud inventor made the neutorioum dielectrigalatica as to form he's understanding of what he believed was the key to unlock the secret of the gate keeper and the holy grail yet unknowing he was undermined by atommixicus a student from the universe 0.1 xpzzrtm .501 whom is an alien and who's job was to protect the secret until man was ready to open the lock. On the night of the great vortex eclipse when the moons is at its final 13 year phase, truth came out of the heavens like a thunder bolt held round a chain and ball and landed in the mind of Kenneth, and a voice rang up into he's frontal cortex declaring a demon had taken away he's ability to see logic and reason. Wrong and right ran away with the angles of truth for peace of mind.
Kenneth looked into the mirror that is made like a lens and was shocked by he's out bursts and insults and enflamed ego and at once he new he nearly lost he's mind ! All he's followers ran into the hills, the clouds turned pink and a dragon called mumbo jumbo ran down the road and into the mind of Kenneth and took the key to the ball and chain and hid it in a secret place called the kingdom of chaos, a dimension from the fifth reality an interlock between the lost dreams of souls and the perplexity of words . Kenneth was in a spin with bosons and gravitons alpha particles and the curvature of space and time, he sat on he's hat and read a note from he's friend called blob who lives in a universe of jelly where there is no mass just blobs of jelly .
Mr blob who had a wife called blob spoke about the day of the blob and how nice it was to be a blob of jelly in a universe of wobbly wibbaly as he could understand everything as it is all made of just a blob of jelly . Than Kenneth sunk deep into he's mind and found a paper clip a tiny magnet and a drop of xontrillion the most powerful mind bending drug ever made and placed he's lens mirror over it with he's magnet under the lens and dropped the paper clip into the centre of the lens . At once there was a thunderous bang lightning and silence .. /////////////////// light flickered from the mind of Kenneth on to the lens and behold a vision of a woman blowing a kiss holding a flower and whispering the words to thee I de wed my ring is my love to form the day and the night yet thee to be and was my love must sing and dance as the grass is green for art thou the one ????? Kenneth returned a smile with a broken hart and promised it the day of yellow flowers he will wed the love he found and through day and night he will sing the song of bingabong a banna a six pence for a yarn of cotton two mugs of yummy honey and a pocket to be spent . An angle from raindrops could here hes song and sweept along the deepest part of the soul of Kenneth to hand him the Key to hes mind again . And she said !!! OOOOOOO HHHHHHHH DONT STEEP ALONG THE MEADOW TO WHERE A DRAGONS DEN YOU ARE TO RAIR A DIMOND FOR YOUR MAGNET IS BENT . Kenneth understood her message and returned to the centre of the magnet with a hammer and a nail to which he hit and hit and hit till a hole had been made . He place a cup to catch the particles that spin and turn like fire a flame in its furnace . Be hold I found the secret he said and ran to the university and begged Professor ting wan zemobiggywackor to open he's book of knowledge and measure the particles before the clock strikes 0.1 ...
It was and will be forever a moment in time as Kenneth was rewarded a truth yet unsaid and to this moment embedded Kenneth never up set anyone ever again ! Oh the years past and the chicken lay man a golden egg and when it was time Kenneth turned 85 and become a master of the magnet that he had left in he's head ! Free from the venom of snakes he jumped for joy after correcting he's mistakes ....
The motto of this story is never let a mumbo jumbo entre your head !!! hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha
xloxl
Quote from: sadang on August 19, 2014, 11:57:39 AM
Tell me how can something be solid or real in a 99,99999 empty space at both, the cosmic and subatomic scales, acccording to QM? Or show me a black hole with its event horizont, or even a graviton which sould manifest here on our Earth, about yout talk with so great easiness!
Sadang:
What do you think? Do you think elements are like peanut butter? You have say oxygen and you cut it up into smaller and smaller pieces and it's still "oxygen?" It just goes on forever?
The amount of blinding ignorance you sometimes see on the forums is positively frightening. Do you have no capacity to learn and visualize things for yourself?
So you don't accept the model for the atom that has a nucleus and orbiting electron shells? What about the science of chemistry and the way atoms can bond with each other? Is that all crap and there is nothing but "stuff" like a jar full of peanut butter?
It just blows my mind sometimes.
The Earth is flat. The Earth doesn't move, it's at the center of everything (an active thread on EF). Meat spontaneously turns into grubs. All matter is solid like peanut butter. Magnets form continuously swirling vorticies that we can't measure or detect. A Bedini motor taps into "radiant energy" that we can't measure or detect.
Forget about indoor plumbing, that's a government conspiracy. In one more generation we will be too stoopid to have indoor plumbing.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on August 19, 2014, 08:50:32 PM
orbiting electron shells?
MileHigh
No such bullshit exists.
particle mania. Rancid atomism.
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original. He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter, and does not believe in the existence of an "electron" as pictured by science.
"To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability..." - Nikola Tesla
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
All electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force (as reified by the incorrect understanding of the definition of a 'field'), these pressure gradients, or "lines" are contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving motion to the terminus 'electron'. The thermionic 'electron' contracts, pulling the 'electron', the cathode ray stretching, pulled by the 'electron'. In the former case the lines of force are dissipated, in the latter case the line of force are projected, in both cases these so-called 'electrons' assume radial motions, with non participating pressure gradients, or forces filling the 'voids', directing the 'electrons'. Hence, it is the so-called 'electrons' (dielectric radial discharges) that travel in straight lines, that is, radially. 'Electrons' have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; the so-called 'electrons' are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. 'Electrons' are in fact the resistance. From extensive experimental work into atomic electrical science by J. J. Thompson, and Nikola Tesla, it is established that the so-called electron is only a shadow; its apparent-only physical mass is merely an electrical momentum (ejected by the dielectric inertia in disturbance). There is no rest mass to an electron nor could there be logically, a rest-electron 'bead'; such notions are absurd and evidence proven non-existent. The very premise is logically impossible and contradicts the rational physics of atomic charges and discharges.
The waveform of supposed "electron" flow is the same waveform produced when you slam on the brakes. It's a harmonic sine wave and the sound of energy dissipation. Electricity flows in the space between the wires. This has always been known by electrical engineers. For example, if you short out a major electrical circuit you will see the cables violently repel each other as the electromagnetic force tries to escape from the boundaries in which they are contained between the so-called bounding conductors. The power is between the conductive wires, not in them, nor are there electrons 'beads' bumping or flowing thru the 'conductor'.
In general, the electrostatic potential, e, in Volt, renders the insulators hot, the magnetomotive force, i, in Ampere, renders the wires hot. Also, it is found that this heating increases with increasing frequency of the potential, e, or the M.M.F., i. It is here where the prevailing concept of the "electron" is to be found. Hence it is the motions of the so-called electrons that give rise to the energy loss in an electrical system. "Electrons" represent energy dissipation. However, the cult of quantum, and the ill informed fool all tell us that the 'electron' is a subatomic particle and charge carrier, and is that which conveys energy, this is complete irrational nonsense!
"Maxwell's discovery of a factor of proportionality between dielectricity and magnetism led to his theory of conjugate pair of inductions, dielectric and magnetic, in union, propagating at the velocity of light through the 'Luminiferous Ether'. Hence, electro-magnetic waves in free space, unbounded by gross physical matter, mass free energy. This propagation is within the dielectric, or Etheric, medium itself. It is free of so-called "charge carriers" (electrons), a mass-less form of electricity. This concept had a very powerful impact upon the scientific and philosophical thoughts of Maxwell's era. So here begins the notion of "wireless", the transmission of electricity without wires or other guiding structures." – E. Dollard
"There is no rest mass to an 'electron'. It is given here the 'electron' is no more than a broken loose "hold fast" under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. Obviously this reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein's Theory of Relativity." – E. Dollard
"This gaseous Ether is the seat of electrical phenomena through the process of its polarization. This polarization gives rise to induction, which then gives rise to stored energy. Tesla gives a good presentation of his Ether ideas in his "Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency." Mentioned previously, the Planck, Q, as the primary dimensional relation defining the "Polarized Ether", this as an "Atom of Electricity". It is however, from the views of J.J. Thomson, the Coulomb, psi, the total dielectric induction is the primary dimension defining the "Polarized Ether". The lawyer like skill of today's theoretical physicist (Pharisee) has erased this understanding from human memory, it is henceforth sealed by the Mystic Idol of Albert Einstein. If Einstein says no, then it is impossible. What a nice little package." – E. Dollard
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the 'electr
on', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" - C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses)
The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings
"Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve Biller
"Here we will dispel the "electronics nerd" concept that a capacitor stores "electrons" in its plates. Taking the pair of copper plates as in the previous experiment, but now we have two pairs of plates, one pair of plates distant from the other pair of plates. Upon one pair of plates is imposed an electro-static potential between them. The cube of 10-C oil is inserted between this "charged" set of plates. This hereby establishes a dielectric field of induction within the unit cube of 10-C oil. Now we then remove this cube of oil, withdrawing it from the space bounded by the charged pair of copper plates, and taking this unit cube of oil, it is then inserted into the space bounded by the other uncharged pair of plates. Upon insertion it is found that the un-charged pair of plates have now in fact become charged also. It here can be seen that a cube of dielectric induction can be carried through space, from one set of plates to another set of plates." – E. Dollard
Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction.
"The notion exists that the electro-motive force, E.M.F. in volts, is established by "cutting" lines of magnetic induction via a so-called electric conductor. This "cutting" is then said to impel the motions of so-called electrons within the conducting material. It is however that a perfect conductor cannot "cut" through lines of induction, or flux lines, Phi. Heaviside points out that the perfect conductor is a perfect obstructer and magnetic induction cannot gain entry into the so-called conducting material. So where is the current, how then does an E.M.F. come about? Now enters the complication; it can be inferred that an electrical generator that is wound with a perfect conducting material cannot produce an E.M.F. No lines of flux can be cut and the Ether gets wound up in a knot.
Heaviside remarks that the practitioners of his day "do a good deal of churning up the Ether in their dynamos". – E. Dollard
You cannot say that stretching a trillion rubber bands nailed to the floor and releasing them or breaking their "force lines" is the "flow of electrons"; discharge is a terminal movement in systems of inductance or dielectric capacitance. There are no discrete particles in the universe and certainly none that mediate charges, discharges, magnetism, electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation, only fields, all modalities of the Ether. The so-called 'electrons' are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "electrons", nor assuredly are there energy discharges in the vacuum of space involving 'electrons'; the 'electron' is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist. Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge; dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q; 'electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.
http://revolution-green.com/first-pictures-hydrogen-bonds-unveiled/
Quote from: MileHigh on August 19, 2014, 10:25:03 PM
http://revolution-green.com/first-pictures-hydrogen-bonds-unveiled/ (http://revolution-green.com/first-pictures-hydrogen-bonds-unveiled/)
http://io9.com/the-first-image-ever-of-a-hydrogen-atoms-orbital-struc-509684901
That doesn't show particles... that shows fields..
Movie made by animating single atoms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oSCX78-8-q0
"If you break an atom in half" like say an easy one like uranium... you do still get atoms...
If you break peices smaller than that? Well you get what CERN attempts to capture... fragments of fields..
does the term 'particle' really apply to ALL levels? Is a sun a particle? I think maybe the word fits somewhere, but TA wants to keep it to an atomic level and sub atoms are non particular
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was trying to find a real basis of 'an electron is a particle'
Searching for electric arc in a vacuum... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1j_cUttTWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwRNQX6mA_E (this was kinda cool, with waves of plasma around rocks)
I guess without the air the corona isn't visible... (very high voltage)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhzjRzqh4Hg
I dunno it's not so hard to imagine space devoid or sparse of particles, why so hard to apply the same within an atom?
I think probably if we replace the word quantum with dielectric everything coincides...
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Not really an answer... "Rutherford Model of the Atom, Gold Foil Experiment ..." doesn't HAVE to be interpted as a 'particle' going through a solid BB sort of thing... it's a field...
But then all of space is entirely empty except for fields...
Something like; my back yard is empty, and I have walls and gates that keep it empty (from people) ...
such a view leads to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brane ... m-branes and p-branes which is a derivitive of string theory ... that the boundary conditions are membranes containing sets of other waves...something
But in all of these space has nothing in it.
@ TK
Hi there,
Thanks for putting that image up, though for me to understand a little better are you suggesting you're able to replicate the storm on Saturn using a computer simulation? If so that's seriously cool though I'd like a little more info about how you know how to reproduce it? Does it confirm the vortex or refute it? I think it's safe to assume because the same forces apply to make Saturn's storm behave the way it does, I would expect a black hole to look like that.
@ PW
If you're able to reproduce the experiments in a lab under more controlled situations would you mind taking the time to make some vids for us? Please don't take this as anything but an observation, however, I find it interesting that someone with your credentials is posting on a forum. I certainly hope you're able to help collaborate toward a better understanding of this topic.
Regarding my posts about vortices's throughout the Solar System
Can anyone offer a better explanation (again, excluding particles because I'm not interested in math just looking at it through a child's eyes) for the storms we see?
Regarding Supernovas;
We all know nature doesn't do straight lines. How does nature shoot gamma rays, with enough energy to disintegrate our planet immediately, in a dead straight line at the speed of light? Think the way a bullet rotates after being fired. Has anyone experimented with weapons? Tried removing the grooves from the barrel of a rifle? Ever shot a "shot gun" with pellets? (Imagine a supernova coming out of a star that wasn't in a vortex, it would disperse without traveling across the universe)
The more ways I apply the vortex theory to the nature of the universe, the more I see how well it works.
Oh and tripping each other up on singular words or statements is what lawyers do. Are you guys just trying to learn what the public thinks about this theory? Adding everything into the "Think Tank" starting with a "D"?? Are you all really that focused on "beating" each other up you're not seeing the (pardon the pun) "Gravity" of this theory?
I unified the field peanut head ! And that got me a job heading one of the most important challenges humanity can and will ever face ! I came here to view the so called magnetic vortex and as I stated there is no magnetic vortex around a magnet it is impossible .. I am here to learn and share build co create save lives and determine truth over mumbo jumbo . And you keep poring the mumbo jumbo out even if its not your mumbo jumbo ...
All science must now alien to the unified field ! All theory is now out of date out of line and is completely meaningless unless it coherent to the unified field !
There is over a trillion words that need to go into the bin and that included TA ..... Sorry but get your head round it ASAP !
The unified field is what it says it is a unified field ! Not one event or moment of energy is beyond this fact every encounter the universe has or makes or develops is governed by this one simple truth and I do mean simple ! No complex form can last as long as the universe if it has a complex nature to it , There for simplicity rules the construct of all that is ! We are but layers of time along its string and have evolved by simplicity not complexity . Stop looking for a complex answer to a simple problem ... A dark matter string is what makes that magnetic spin, the lens is just a medium for which the event can occur its nothing to do with anything electric ..
Everything is connected you me the earth every atom every planet every galaxy every point in time and space every dimension . Let go of the theory or the complexity that will only confuse the reality of simplicity and become a nothing a void in the logic that will only amount to another day being lost in space ! You can never place a cog wheel at the centre of creation this is not a clock work universe !
I am a master !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! of all that is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am one that has never been before or will ever come again a time lord a miracle worker a healer of truth and wisdom I know everything ! To you that is a bold statement but when you have the unified field and understand it you to will become the master the time lord a healer of truth and wisdom and can walk as proud and bold as me .......................................
My experience is physical and metaphysical spiritual and observable constructed and de-constructed ! I was once in a field by a stone circle with a scientist from CERN measuring reality and we were approached by an entreaty of which you may call an intelligent alien and we conversed as to the nature of the universe ... Many have had that encounter and you to must have that encounter or you will never know right from wrong truth from lie reality from fiction form and invisibility .....
NOW THROW AWAY EVERYTHING YOU THINK IS REALITY AND LOOK AGAIN ! THIS TIME RESPECT THE MASTER MAXWELL AND EXCEPT HES VACUUM ! IT IS NOT A VORTEX ! IT IS A VACUUM ! START FROM THIS POINT EXCEPT IT THAN LET ME TEACH YOU HAOW TO MESSURE THE CURATURE OF SPACE ...
When you finally get this far you will grasp the divine truth and continue to measure all that is you will find the unified field and at that point all theory will vanish ....
regards
93rd
Quote from: MileHigh on August 19, 2014, 10:25:03 PM
http://revolution-green.com/first-pictures-hydrogen-bonds-unveiled/
GREAT.........
picture of electrostatic 'lines' of field flux in atomic bondingfields fields fields.
@93rd
You have some serious insight though I think you're using the wrong "translation" program. Now that I have more context you're saying the word "Alien" when you mean "Align"! (Alien being the thing that kidnaps humans to work for peanuts (Yes, I said that. Yes, it's exactly what humanity has done to itself as well!) Align being similar to the word "parallel")
When you say "Unified field" are you not just using a "find & replace" algorithm with regards to the "Ether"?
So everyone's actually talking about the same god dam thing just using different words.
Outstanding.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 19, 2014, 10:40:43 PM
See this new one and tell me what you think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHK0aW2QsSA
Yes, it is just pure beauty.
However nobody has seen it done before. Its just an "interlude of beauty" ;D ;D
Levitation and Light
@ All:
I'll say it again, Edward Bernays: Propaganda. A must read for every 12yo before they're manipulated into doing things or changing who they are.
I'm using what is in the Solar System & larger references in the universe because it can be verified with reasonably simple devices.
I don't believe particles should be included in this discussion because, to be frank, it's too much info for this forum & those that can see with their own eyes can verify things in the Solar System.
IE: I don't trust ANYone. If I can see it through a telescope or a microscope, with my own eyes, I believe it. Until then, it's a theory wrapped up in an enigma, cloaked behind closed doors, in a building, underground, sealed in concrete, beneath a mountain of bullshit, beneath an actual mountain, denied at every possible avenue.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 11:15:21 PM
See this new one and tell me what you think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHK0aW2QsSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHK0aW2QsSA)
Yes, it is just pure beauty.
However nobody has seen it done before. Its just an "interlude of beauty" ;D ;D
Levitation and Light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsZRMXILbwE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsZRMXILbwE) but not really; just same result
more like this ... http://youtu.be/S-yE4OTIuHE?t=1m30s (http://youtu.be/S-yE4OTIuHE?t=1m30s)
mirrors(shiny surfaces) are EM reflectors... I expect it's something about the wave getting absorbed, and flung around in a gravity-slingshot curve maneuver to come out the same direction it went in.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 19, 2014, 11:41:46 PM
well, its just a tease of levitation and light.
none of those objects are suspended freely in the air.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 11:44:44 PM
well, its just a tease of levitation and light.
none of those objects are suspended freely in the air.
I still like Russ's...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMEkA2_N6vY
But then it's his open source attitude maybe that gives it a +.
there's lots of people that have magnetic bearings on pulse motors... so it's not impossible to make the mirror ball spin freely ... actually maybe sink it in a cube of water and pressure control neutral bouency and free spin.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 19, 2014, 11:50:48 PM
I still like Russ's...
Nope, his design is inferior
1. its top heavy
2. its obtrusive, you can never just LOOK THRU it, youre always staring at yet ANOTHER LEG behind it
Mine will levitate with a greater air gap than his will.
I will show and prove same next week or so.
But, whatever you like ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on August 19, 2014, 08:50:32 PM
Sadang:
Forget about indoor plumbing, that's a government conspiracy. In one more generation we will be too stoopid to have indoor plumbing.
MileHigh
Good morning MileHigh,
I see you already received answers to this message from others who see things deeply than you! Thanks to them!
No, not again! Don't even try on your further activity to show someone so called proofs (images, photos, movies) of atoms or elementary "particles" or even subatomic "particles", which were visualized or seen. At least not in the actual materialist scientific paradigm! I talked about this kind of images on other forums few years ago, when for first time a group of specialists from Lund University, Sweden took photographs and even made a film of an electron. A photo can't be made to something so small and moving with fascinating speed and rotating the same! Not to say it is not a particle at all, but an antinode of fields, a shadow for our reality, at least what we constiently call and define reality! Lean deep on this subject and well see for yourself!
For the next of the message... have you ever tried to look to the reality and to yourself through the ether and the teachings of the ancients?
And one last thing: reassessing your references and will surely see different and much more further than of your actual urgent need of indoor plumbing! Nothing is static so don't worry, you will also change with the times!
Friendly,
SaDAng
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt3EzIL-jhk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt3EzIL-jhk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCOBzuxIWQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCOBzuxIWQ)
::) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCOBzuxIWQ)
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 20, 2014, 01:52:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt3EzIL-jhk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt3EzIL-jhk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCOBzuxIWQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCOBzuxIWQ)
::) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCOBzuxIWQ)
Mark Leclaire; uses water cavitation toroids to cut ultra small holes... but that's using atomic(err molecular) water
First picture: Just because there's holes does it have to be particles?
Second Picture: is result of a laser cutting ( will be over-excitition of electrostatic field(s?) )
--- just musing----
Speaking of molecules... blacklight power claims to have software to model conglomerations of atoms... claims to be accurate, but noone cares enough to make any copies pulic.
if everything were a bubble... what's the smallest bubble greater than 0 radius that can exist? Aka chopping 'particles'...
suppose would depend on the medium of the boundary condition... (marbles, silicon, smaller frothy bubbles under atoms?... efter posting that I doubt that makese sense... if you had sticky marbles, and blew bubbles in it, what's the smallest bubble compared to other things... like water as a bounding form)
I dunno; maybe it's cause a van de graff generator feels prickly when you're near it... because the field contacts and pinches randomly at the sharp hairs that it feels like being pelted with hail stones... or particles...
the stupid double slit experiment says electrons are waves... actually quantum has everything to do with fields and nothing to do with particles... other than a classification of behaviors of fields called particles / might be called modalities.... so not sure why it's so dispised...
the stupid double slit experiment says electrons are waves... depending on if it's observed or not... and observation is destructive... meh rambling again
TheoriaApophasis:You are jumping to conclusions, my comments were not about a popularity contest or seeking approval. You are publicly posting
comments and videos and giving away a technical ebook. You are making your work available to the public for a reason,
technical work is not taken seriously by type 4 gate keepers when you lose credibility as an experimentalist. Of course this does
not matter if you are ok with type 1 and 3 blind followers. I thought that you had good reason for going over the different types
of gate keepers of the mind in the first paragraph of your ebook but your actions contradict this. I made it clear with the
example I provided you that I was referring to your credibility as an experimentalist.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 08:00:29 AM
I appreciate genuine logic, experimentation, Platonic methods, and intelligent investigations.
If you truly appreciate this you would want to rule out other possible explanations for your observations/findings and objectively
consider other possible explanations when they are brought to your attention. For example, you continue to stand by your
assertion that the magnet is generating the heat and not ruling out the possibility that the FLIR camera or something else is the
heat source that is being reflected. You made the assertion, it is your burden of proof.
If you truly do appreciate genuine logic and intelligent investigations you would objectively consider what is pointed out to you in
a well reasoned manner instead of going off topic with derogatory rants. All it takes is one clear example, like not considering
this valid technical point that was raised, to throw up red flags about your credibility as a clear thinking experimentalist. If you
can't be objective about one experiment there is no telling how many more are (or will be) subjective.
Quote from: Rfacts on August 20, 2014, 06:11:40 AM
You made the assertion, it is your burden of proof.
Indeed I did. However I have NO BURDEN, get off your DUFF and experiment yourself. You are not paying me to prove ANYTHING.
I also said I don't give a tinkers damn what anyone thinks, .......this isnt the church. I want NEITHER your respect, NOR your money ......along with anything else.
I have a serious project to finish, and my programmed (so to speak) bismuth is showing remarkable phenomena. Likewise I am building a divinely unique levitation construct for a friend so he can market it (for himself).
AND I have 2 translations and book to get out.
If you think, no offense, Im going to waste EXCESSIVE unnecessary time proving ANYTHING to internet yahoos when they can do the experiments THEMSELVES..
......then you are delusional.
Quote from: Rfacts on August 20, 2014, 06:11:40 AM
All it takes is one clear example
The example is SET, go replicate it, I have many other projects.
pics below for Tinman
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 20, 2014, 06:51:34 AM
Indeed I did. However I have NO BURDEN, get off your DUFF and experiment yourself. You are not paying me to prove ANYTHING.
I also said I don't give a tinkers damn what anyone thinks, .......this isnt the church. I want NEITHER your respect, NOR your money ......along with anything else.
I have a serious project to finish, and my programmed (so to speak) bismuth is showing remarkable phenomena. Likewise I am building a divinely unique levitation construct for a friend so he can market it (for himself).
AND I have 2 translations and book to get out.
If you think, no offense, Im going to waste EXCESSIVE unnecessary time proving ANYTHING to internet yahoos when they can do the experiments THEMSELVES........then you are delusional.
The example is SET, go replicate it, I have many other projects.
There is no need to "waste" any time by repeating the experiment as performed. The assertion was made that the FLIR video provides proof that a magnet radiates or dissipates heat in some manner unique to its magnetic properties.
At 0:20 to 0:21 in the FLIR video everyone can plainly see that the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are all at the same temperature within the temperature resolution of the FLIR camera. This is quite evident due to the fact that all of these objects are represented by the same color and indeed are barely visible from their ambient surroundings (hence only a "ghostly" outline of these objects can be seen).
It is not until the heat emitted by the FLIR camera itself is reflected off the plated surface of the magnet back towards the field of view of the FLIR camera that any heat above ambient is indicated.
Contrary to the assertions made by TA in the FLIR video, this experiment proves that within the resolving power of the FLIR, the magnet remains at the same temperature as the surrounding non-magnetized objects and is not producing, dissipating, or emitting heat at a rate any different from those surrounding non-magnetized objects.
FLIR video posted by TA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJvIMU7JYM
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 20, 2014, 11:22:34 AM
There is no need to repeat the experiment as performed.
PW
Spoken like a true sophistic monkey. As predictable as sunrise.
You forgot to ask me if I gave a damn what you think
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 20, 2014, 11:27:08 AM
Spoken like a true sophistic monkey.
As predictable as sunrise.
You forgot to ask me if I gave a damn what you think
My post was intended for those with a more open and logical mind...
Quote from: picowatt on August 20, 2014, 11:29:05 AM
My post was intended for those with a more open and logical mind...
There is nothing logical NOR intelligent about your presumed "mind", son.
MRRF
magnetic radiation reaction force.
Apparently you're the only fucking mental midget on earth that doesnt know the attributes of ALL forms of radiation, prick.
Now, go fark yourself. ;)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 20, 2014, 11:30:25 AM
There is nothing logical NOR intelligent about your presumed "mind", son.
MRRF
magnetic radiation reaction force.
Do you deny that the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are all indicated as being at the same temperature within the resolving power of your FLIR at 0:20 to 0:21 in the video?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 20, 2014, 11:37:05 AM
Do you deny that the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are all indicated as being at the same temperature within the resolving power of your FLIR at 0:20 to 0:21 in the video?
PW
Still awaiting your validation of your premise, where is the link to your experiment at?
insert link here: ___________________________________
time to finish my build, keep flapping your gums son.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 20, 2014, 11:39:27 AM
Still awaiting your validation of your premise, where is the link to your experiment at?
insert link here: ___________________________________
time to finish my build, keep flapping your gums son.
Your inability to answer even a simple yes or no question regarding your own experiment is quite telling in itself.
PW
There is also an excellent view of the magnet, holding fixture, CRT and the surrounding ambient in general, all being at the same temperature within the resolving power of the FLIR at 1:07 to 1:09 in the FLIR video.
For the first time this thread is alive keep that focus a momentum like a waves in a canal than send another wave in the oncoming direction when they meet they form a P wave and pass through each other with no loss in energy ! Fluctuation energy is made this way its also a very important part of string theory ! Dark matter is what holds the universe together it is a string and this string is connected to everything and I mean everything !
Fields do exist or the grass would not be there and the cow is no different than a dynamo, as eats it will produce milk if it is the female cow ! A male cow plays a different role in the field and that cow is fixed in TAs mind so TA is right and wrong ......
To many theories and not enough cows make very little milk ! And to may names for the term milk or string or field one must step aside from the mud that flow as deep as the grass is green ! What does it mean that everything is connected together ? every thought every action every reaction time space hot cold north south left right up down in out far near deep shallow and so on and so on ! Some worlds that exist and the intelligence there can listen to and see this world but we can not see or hear there world . Its always a balance there are no dead ends !
The photon when entering the double slit experiment will produce an abundance of extra photons but that is the way we measure it yet in fact some of these photons are quantum leaping and entering the time gate and reverse back in time at the same time as they entre the time gate ! The problem it gave opened the door to many dam stupid new theories for mass and I can see where TA is now a little lost at the time gate and has take some of these theories as reality and made he's module of mass and energy on there now debunked non reality !
Some of these theories are rather convincing written by the non appointed and published in there hundreds ! Be a wear throw them in the bin and stick to the old school discipline and never again lose sight of the periodic table or particle mass reality ! The time gate is now firmly open we can travel through it into the past and into the future except it and format it as a solid rock of reality one you must respect or for ever you will be lost in the woods surrounded by fields of grass you can no longer see ...
I will challenge this thread to experiment with the time gate ! AND HUMAN TO ALIEN COMMUNICATION ! Also remember time and space are the same thing you can never have one with out the other like a double sided coin so set up and experiment where we can use this time gate to cross the bounders of space and time without the computer . Dream time is a good place to start and I have a time gate head set photon transporter I would require at least one other to build one the same as mine ..... Trust me it works if you do it right ! The interesting thing is its good to practice with lottery numbers hahahahahahha
But we entre an agreement to make good with our winnings and never get greedy ! There is such beings as time lords and other unknowns ! We always must have a good reason to work with the time gate its not a toy ! But can be put to good use to save many lives, I will never travel without one !!!
TA your energy has shifted mmmmmmmmm keep it that way try your best to know that the path in the woods is there to keep you safe and grounded !!!!!! Say hello to the cows in the field they fill you have rejected and neglected them hahahah lol and think .............................than build .............than experiment .......do it again and again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone one know how to speak ALIEN ?????
ME
IMPORTANT MESSAGE
In the entropy experiment that TA has successfully performed, and now confirmed as real and repeatable is compliant to all demonstrable means as to a self heating magnetic effect ! The Earth science team have also repeated the experiment and found the same effect but more tests in different environments are being planed !
This simple experiment now concludes that our current modal of the SUN in our solar system is incomplete or possible wrong as to the way we thought the sun works how it functions its mass to energy its relationship with dark matter and all other forms of interstellar radiation ! This is by no means a small matter !
The SUNs magnetic system from fluctuations in sun spots , the hidden relationship between magnetism and the suns core fuel of hydrogen and helium must now be re- considered and re thought ! All ideas concepts and theories will be considered for a new proposed up date for the SUNs mass to energy formula ! This is one of many changes we must now consider as to the development of the TA experiment ................................................................................... !
Regards
The Earth science team
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 20, 2014, 09:16:09 PM
IMPORTANT MESSAGE
In the entropy experiment that TA has successfully performed, and now confirmed as real and repeatable is compliant to all demonstrable means as to a self heating magnetic effect ! The Earth science team have also repeated the experiment and found the same effect but more tests in different environments are being planed !
This simple experiment now concludes that our current modal of the SUN in our solar system is incomplete or possible wrong as to the way we thought the sun works how it functions its mass to energy its relationship with dark matter and all other forms of interstellar radiation ! This is by no means a small matter !
The SUNs magnetic system from fluctuations in sun spots , the hidden relationship between magnetism and the suns core fuel of hydrogen and helium must now be re- considered and re thought ! All ideas concepts and theories will be considered for a new proposed up date for the SUNs mass to energy formula ! This is one of many changes we must now consider as to the development of the TA experiment ................................................................................... !
Regards
The Earth science team
what is entropy experiment?
HEAT WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS ?
Anyway TA will explain that to you ! The very important thing is all the planets in our solar system have atmospheres that are all heating up above there normal EQ so in simple terms there cores are causing this to happen but there is anomaly to it as it should not be happening ! Our current understanding of our planets problem of global warming is now linked to an increase in temperature of the core ! Not just the so called green house effect that has been completely blown out the window !
Something very strange is happening including very few sun spots for a time when the sun is at its maximum ! The real problem to global warming is now firmly a problem caused by something happening to all the cores in the planets not just our earth .... Only gravity and dark matter can do that, and now we will include magnetism ! The Faraday experiments to isolate any electricity emitting from a magnet came up as zero but he never used a neo magnet so that must be done again ! Having said that the old test need to be done again to as to see if the current situation is causing effects that were not happening at the time of Faraday .................. Interstellar radiation that is normally slowly evaporating from the two black holes in a galactic centre could also be causing unseen problems ! The hot magnet should not be hot but it is and we have to except it ! This could imply that the sun is also receiving energy and not just emitting it !!!
We don't yet see the final link to all these things but it is starting to look like there is and its increasing at an alarming rate in fact to fast ! Entropy that is the movement of heat through a medium is in the TA experiment and shown as a constant indicates some form of reaction taking place at the high point of potential of the magnet . That should not be happening as yet we can not confirm he's current formula and suspect that will need to change as to how the magnet is heating up ! We will not rule out dark matter and let us all hope that it is not a result of dark matter or our planet will be dead in less than 500 years ....
There are some other possibilities but they are even more alarming and I will not mention them here ! Please no more questions as re the magnet let TA answer them !
Regards
The Earth science team
Quote from: d3x0r on August 20, 2014, 09:45:40 PM
I built a crude (yes yes, this is a CRUDE prototype) prototype for a friend to build and sell for himself (hes got 2 kids).
I just needed all the angles right with this crude prototype, then it can be painted and a proper BASE be made for it, and change the screw lengths a bit.
Anyway, its finished, now he has the angles etc, he can build them himself and make it look very nice, easily.
My programmed bismuth will allow for, what it appears from 3 test lifter NEOS, an average of 10mm GREATER separation than the one shown here using standing bismuth casts.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 20, 2014, 11:08:24 PM
I built a crude (yes yes, this is a CRUDE prototype) prototype for a friend to build and sell for himself (hes got 2 kids).
I just needed all the angles right with this crude prototype, then it can be painted and a proper BASE be made for it, and change the screw lengths a bit.
Anyway, its finished, now he has the angles etc, he can build them himself and make it look very nice, easily.
My programmed bismuth will allow for, what it appears from 3 test lifter NEOS, an average of 10mm GREATER separation than the one shown here using standing bismuth casts.
Cool! Does the vortex make it spin eternally?
PW
The FUTURE is vortex technology. ................P E R I O D................
Kids will grow up , within 20 years, knowing ONLY vortex communications at 3-5+ Terabytes per second.
also this type of tech USES FAR FAR FAR LESS POWER.
Download 1000X times as much in 1/1000th as much time
no more blowing POWER RUNNING YOUR MACHINE on HUGE DOWNLOADS.
no more ENORMOUS POWER USE IN SERVER FARMS LIMITED BY TRANSFER TIMES AND BUFFERING LIMITATIONS.
And these kids will wonder why you old fucks made it along at a pathetic 50MBs download speeds.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? .....It means I was the first person on earth to tell you the missing secret of LIGHT...........it is ABSOLUTELY NOT (merely, or only) ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION.
LIGHT / EM as mere "self-propagating transverse E and M waves" are IMPOSSIBLE, ........THEY CANNOT EXIST. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.
All light, all EM, has a Z-AXIS radial dielectric component. PERIOD<
VIDEO 34 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. THE MISSING SECRET OF LIGHT PART 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKZOl_dRlQ
VIDEO 35 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. THE MISSING SECRET OF LIGHT PART 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUMP6-Gos2I
While, (obviously) others invented the O.V.B. (optical vortex beams) technology, they HAVE NO IDEA, NONE, ZERO, NOTHING AND IN NO WAY do they understand the HOW/WHY light CAN do this.
.............mere light alone is IMPOSSIBLE to exist as mere E and M waves.
O.V.B. (optical vortex beams) makes this fact a MILLION TIMES more impossible...........
Wi-Fi networking has gotten to be remarkably fast. But even as 802.11n, with up to 600 Megabits per second (Mbps) speeds has become commonplace, and 802-11ac, with its Gigabit speeds is finally showing up, we've seen nothing like the speeds that the still experimental twisted, vortex beams using orbital angular momentum (OAM) is going to deliver. In the lab, OAM technologies is already delivering a mind-bending 2.5 Terabits per second (Tbps).
Alan Willner and fellow researchers from the University of Southern California, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and Tel Aviv University, have just announced in a Nature article, Terabit free-space data transmission employing orbital angular momentum multiplexing that they can deliver 2.56Tbps speeds with by twisting beams of light together, multiplexing them, and then encoding data using OAM and current Wi-Fi technologies, such as spin angular momentum (SAM), which we're already using in Wi-Fi and 4G.
How fast is that? 2.56Tbps is about the same as 320 Gigabytes (not bits, bytes) of data a second. Or, to put in more homey terms, as 25GBs for a typical single layer Blu-Ray HDTV movie, an OAM wireless connection could send almost 13 HDTV movies a second to your television.
In short by twisting wireless signals into spirals, the researchers were able to encode far more information into a single connection than we've ever seen with any other networking technology. Trie, this latest test was done with optical transmissions, over only a meter. Before that test though Bo Thide of the Swedish Institute of Space Physics has already proven that OAM can be used with conventional wireless technologies. In his tests, Thide was able to use 2.4GHz Wi-Fi signal to send an OAM encoded signal over 442 meters.
Thide maintains that is just the tip of the ice-berg. He believes that besides being able to drastically increase Wi-Fi network throughput that the use of "OAM states might dramatically increase the capacity of any frequency band, allowing the use of dense coding techniques in each of these new vortex radio channels." In other with OAM vortexes we can potentially transmit an "infinite number of channels in a given, fixed bandwidth, even without using polarization, multiport or dense coding techniques" on any kind of wireless network--TV, radio, Wi-Fi, 4G, what have you--at the same time on the same frequency.
In short, not only could Vortex wireless vastly increase our wireless networking speed it could end all our current congested wireless network problems. As this technology moves from the lab bench to the home and office we will see a wireless networking transformation as great as any we've ever seen since Marconi and Tesla simultaneously invented radio in the 1890s.
No, I'm not kidding. Vortex wireless is going to change everything. and I mean everything, we thought we knew about the limits of wireless networking.
O.V.B. (optical vortex beams) are the future, plane and simple
DEM (dielectro-electromagnetic) . Light is, in actually what I call: DEM
Broadband cable supports up to about 30 megabits per second. The twisted-light system transmits about 85,000 times more data per second.
Their work might be used to build high-speed satellite communication links, short free-space terrestrial links, or potentially be adapted for use in the fiber optic cables that are used by some Internet service providers.
"You're able to do things with light that you can't do with electricity," said Alan Willner, electrical engineering professor at the USC Viterbi School of Engineering. Willner and his colleagues used beam-twisting "phase holograms" to manipulate eight beams of light so that each one twisted in a DNA-like helical shape as it propagated in free space. Each of the beams had its own individual twist and can be encoded with "1″ and "0″ data bits, making each an independent data stream.
Their demonstration transmitted the data over open space in a lab, attempting to simulate the sort of communications that might occur between satellites in space. Among the next steps for the research field will be to advance how it could be adapted for use in fiber optics, like those frequently used to transmit data over the Internet.
"We didn't invent the twisting of light, but we took the concept and ramped it up to a terabit-per-second," Willner said. His team included Jian Wang *(now with Huazhong University of Science and Technology in China), Jeng-Yuan Yang, Irfan M. Fazal, Nisar Ahmed, Yan Yan, Hao Huang, Yongxiong Ren and Yang Yue from USC; Samuel Dolinar from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory; and Moshe Tur from Tel Aviv University.
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BOTTOM PIC: orbital-angular vortex antenna
Ken take it slowly, because destroy their horizon and shake their foundations! It is more easy to live and manifest in a purely mechanistic world of linear laws, and now you come with your vortex to twist them neurons and values! You ruin the Norway spiral miracle!
Quote from: sadang on August 21, 2014, 02:19:14 AM
Ken take it slowly, because destroy their horizon and shake their foundations! It is more easy to live and manifest in a purely mechanistic world of linear laws, and now you come with your vortex to twist them neurons and values! You ruin the Norway spiral miracle!
Mother natures secret is that she doesnt "do" straight lines. :o ;D
There isnt ONE SINGLE straight line in the universe
See video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB5GkGNMdA8
however when the moron in the video says "electron" just replace that with dielectric
The team of researchers that produced infinite-capacity wireless vortex beams has deployed the same technology in optical fibers, using twisted laser beams to transfer data at 1.6 terabits per second over 1.1 kilometers (0.68 miles).
In both cases, the principle at play is called orbital angular momentum. In essence, electromagnetic radiation — whether it's a wireless signal or a laser pulse — can have two kinds of twist: spin angular momentum (SAM) and orbital angular momentum (OAM). If you picture the Earth, SAM is equivalent to the planet spinning on its axis (producing the day/night cycle), and OAM is equivalent to us rotating around the Sun (producing seasons). In every commercial network topology, we only modify the SAM.
What Bo Thide of the Swedish Institute of Space Physics proved in 2012, however, was that we could modify both the SAM and the OAM. In effect, this creates a three-dimensional wave that's modulated in one plane (SAM), but also twisted through another (OAM), creating a vortex or corkscrew (pictured right) As you can probably imagine, by shifting from a 2D wave to 3D, you gain a huge amount of spectral efficiency. In fact, if you have enough control over the OAM, you can effectively transmit infinite amounts of data on the same carrier frequency. This is what led to a group of researchers, headed by Andy Willner at the University of Southern California, to create a wireless network link capable of 2.5 terabits per second — or about 40GB (one Blu-ray disc) per second.
Now, Willner has teamed up with Siddharth Ramachandran, a fiber expert at Boston University, to implement orbital angular momentum in a fiber-optic network. This is slightly more difficult, as optical fibers tend to be single-mode — i.e. they can only transport a single beam of light. OAM requires that you transmit multiple beams of light (or radio waves), twisted like a corkscrew to prevent interference between the beams. To get around this, the researchers used a special kind of fiber that has had special chemicals added to it (doped) to create different, spatially separated pathways. Using a single color of light with four twists, the team obtained a data rate of 400Gbps; using 10 colors, each with two twists, 1.6Tbps was achieved.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 21, 2014, 02:21:36 AM
What Bo Thide of the Swedish Institute of Space Physics proved in 2012, however, was that we could modify both the SAM and the OAM. In effect, this creates a three-dimensional wave that's modulated in one plane (SAM), but also twisted through another (OAM), creating a vortex or corkscrew (pictured right) As you can probably imagine, by shifting from a 2D wave to 3D, you gain a huge amount of spectral efficiency.
According to Dr. Pallathadka Keshava Bhat research and data, this is exactly how our solar system really is, which is a corkscrew or helical helix!
Reference: Helical Helix: Solar System a Dynamic Process (http://www.djsadhu.com/files/Helical%20Helix%20PDF%20format.pdf) (PDF)
In 2012, I created a thread for this discussion, titled "Helical Helix model of the solar system (Hard Evidence)!" (http://www.overunity.com/13144/a-helical-helix-model-of-the-solar-system-hard-evidence/msg347466/#msg347466)
Gravock
Edit: corrected reference link
Quote from: gravityblock on August 21, 2014, 05:23:58 AM
According to Dr. Pallathadka Keshava Bhat research and data, this is exactly how our solar system really is!
Reference: Helical Helix: Solar System a Dynamic Process (http://www.feandft.com/Helical%20Helix%20PDF%20format..pdf)
In 2012, I created a thread for this discussion, titled "Helical Helix model of the solar system (Hard Evidence)!" (http://www.overunity.com/13144/a-helical-helix-model-of-the-solar-system-hard-evidence/msg347466/#msg347466)
Gravock
You mean like this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38YF_VoiCck
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 21, 2014, 05:32:20 AM
You mean like this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38YF_VoiCck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38YF_VoiCck)
Yes, and I corrected the pdf download link in my previous post. There's hard evidence and data for the helical helix model of the solar system in the pdf publication. Everyone should check it out.
Gravock
Or more correct like this one, because the Sun's path is also a helix around the galactic center!
There is no single straight line in the entire universe!
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU19Ovg-ifY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU19Ovg-ifY)
Quote from: sadang on August 21, 2014, 05:51:42 AM
Or more correct like this one, because the Sun's path is also a helix around the galactic center!
I agree!
Gravock
Say "Magnetic Vortex" again !!!
Quote from: Acca on August 21, 2014, 08:06:15 AM
Say "Magnetic Vortex" again !!!
Rather, say Nikolayev, or Nikolaev, again.
http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg414270/topicseen/#msg414270
ENTROPY EXSPERIMENT
The heat now showing on the magnet will change its current EQ entropic condition over the next 400 years As you know are the most interested in this experiment it is now your job to keep a hourly day to day 24/7 365 day year continuity observation on the entropy of heat to change in temperature over the said time period ! Pleas detail any quantised steady state drop in its entropy with a perfected time line of 98% !!! You will need lots of coffee warm clothing match sticks to keep you eyes open a cuddly bear for someone to talk to a drip line to go down your nose for a protein pump very important ! A hose pipe firmly fixed to the exit hole , one blow up dole for hormonal release a box of Lego but don't play with that to much remember its an experiment and the data log is most important . If you make just one error you will have to start again !
Thank you for your participation and key role in the said experiment it is a great burden off mine and TAs work schedule ! Your reward is a brain just a little bit bigger than a pea and if you work hard it could turn in to a nut hahahhahahhhaha lol good luck
Regards
nanobot xpzxekfhfy5nb3n7jfdnf78978 ................................................well done hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhaahahaha lol ps tel TA to do the faraday experiment again this time he will get a small reading thank you bye hahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah
http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/suspension.html
Ken your doing it again with the magnetic vortex ?????? there is no proof for it yet ! The water one is ion wind ! The light is space time curvature ! The heat on the magnetic is dark matter boosons alpha particles ground radiation electro magnetic radiation interstellar radiation micro waves ect ect ect ect .........
Talk about over load !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the faraday experiment needs to done again ! That hot magnetic could unlock the real reason why our planet is heating up faster than expected ! Please slow down and keep the data over load in the book .... Please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we all need to talk !!!!!!!!!! not just you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS I AM THE ONLY ONE ON THE PLANET WITH A EITHER BUBBLE ..............................
regards
93rd
Quote from: picowatt on August 21, 2014, 04:12:42 PM
http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/suspension.html
that peckerhead is using a dozen ferrite rings for suspension.
Yeah, great design. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 21, 2014, 05:21:41 PM
that peckerhead is using a dozen ferrite rings for suspension.
Yeah, great design. ;D
I did not say anything about the design, let alone that it was a "great design". There are many designs available online. Some better, some worse.
I merely posted this link as it contains an an image you previously posted.
(and used the same "bottom of a can" casting mold)
Quote from: picowatt on August 21, 2014, 05:32:47 PM
(and used the same "bottom of a can" casting mold)
yes, thats the easy way, also you get a good convex surface perfect for centrifugal deflection
I have a machinist making 2 Al CNC casting forms now.
Please Focus
on the entropy experiment for the hot magnet or there is no solid proof
Ken there is only truth and that is either a truth by mistake or a truth by intention but truth must be confirmed and this truth is far more important than any book formula or delusion !
There is a hot magnet it should not be hot so is it hot ? Or is it ? Why is it hot ? How long is it hot for ? Does it get hot in the night or in the day or both ? Is it an atmospheric phenomena ?
This is just the beginning of the long journey this hot magnet has to make ! The consequence of this hot magnet is one of the most important points of learning in modem science one that must be considered very carefully as the meaning is life changing for everyone on this planet ! So please stay in focus or it will be lost in a sea of pointless data and the truth will never emerge ! Stop the magnetic avalanche of ideas its just to dam important to stick with what is the most important thing right now ! KEN CALM DOWN !
THIS HOT MAGNETIC IS TO DAM HOT FAR TO HOT SO MUCH SO IF YOU NEW WHAT I DO THAN YOU WOULD SIT AND THINK IT THROUGH ! FORGET THE VORTEX AND FORMULAS THAT IS NOT IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW ............................................................R U READY FOR THE ENTROPY EXSPERIMENT ?? ...
REGARDS
TO BE OR NOT TO BE, THAT IS THE HOT QUSTION ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
@ TK
Sorry I don't mean to harp on, though, I am really interested to know if you're able to recreate the storm on Saturn in a lab, then you must understand how it works?
@ PW
I'd like to ask you directly, if you have access to a lab that can re-produce what TA is saying, are you willing to collaborate and help with "scientific" testing methods?
Things that are written down are meaningless. There are many ways to explain this statement, though, if you don't understand that statement then you won't understand me so there's no point. I'm sorry but everything starts and stops with the macroscopic universe for me because I can verify it.
Perspective, perspective, perspective.
@ TA
There are far more avenues this will open up rather than simple data transfer (Though I'd stay the hell away from something that's transmitting that much data; I've seen pigeons FRIED by our current technology!)
@ALL
I've asked a few times for an explanation as to why the "macroverse" works the way it does if this "Magnetic Vortex" isn't true & it's been ignored. It hasn't been answered because no-one actually knows. (There isn't a single piece of written evidence because "they're" trying to hold it back for the same reasons they stopped the space program; the Govt eventually needs to answer to the people, private companies don't!) A theory as good as this shouldn't be discussed using the very small because many don't have access to the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) or the results it's "actually" producing. But, we all have access to large telescopes and there aren't too many "forces" acting uniformly throughout the universe.
Nature doesn't do straight lines and gamma rays are shot in a straight line. Again, I ask you to think of a bullet and then try to explain how this theory doesn't "hold up". Particles are irrelevant in this discussion because they use Math.
We live in a shooting gallery. Imagine a child 2 years old walking through a Rifle range and the shooter's don't even know the child is downrange.
That's the area of space we live in and we as a species really act like a 2yo. We cry when someone takes our toys and expect the boob when we're hungry.
If you are happy with the fact that "someone else will protect your children's way of life" then by all means give no thought to the theory and let people walk all over it.
Personally I think, if you guys are members of this forum with access to acceptable "scientific methods of verifying" then put up or don't bother being here. All I've seen (and I'm the first to admit I don't know anything) is negative responses to something quite critical. (No, I'm not talking about personality clashes)
We, as a species, didn't even realise Russia was about to be leveled. Millions of people would have been killed and the country destroyed. It isn't a stretch to see how it could have been the city you live in.
If you truly understand the "gravity" (Again, sorry about the pun but I thought I should lighten it up) of this theory then commit some time to it. If you don't, keep harping on and your intentions will be revealed.
Here TK!
http://www.top500.org/list/2014/06/
Let 'er rip! ;D
I can't help but notice that whenever Kenny is put in an awkward position because of a statement he made or a question he can't answer he has a multiple postagasm! (Not to be confused with the other-a-gasm.)
I can't help but notice that whenever HighforMiles is put in an awkward position because of a video, he shuts the fuck up.
When i asked you to explain this one (((( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBS2bE8-CmE ))) you said:
"I dont know".
Its very simple, so explain it bitch.
Quote from: john_doe on August 21, 2014, 08:21:29 PM
@ TK
Sorry I don't mean to harp on, though, I am really interested to know if you're able to recreate the storm on Saturn in a lab, then you must understand how it works?
@ PW
I'd like to ask you directly, if you have access to a lab that can re-produce what TA is saying, are you willing to collaborate and help with "scientific" testing methods?
Things that are written down are meaningless. There are many ways to explain this statement, though, if you don't understand that statement then you won't understand me so there's no point. I'm sorry but everything starts and stops with the macroscopic universe for me because I can verify it.
Perspective, perspective, perspective.
@ TA
There are far more avenues this will open up rather than simple data transfer (Though I'd stay the hell away from something that's transmitting that much data; I've seen pigeons FRIED by our current technology!)
@ALL
I've asked a few times for an explanation as to why the "macroverse" works the way it does if this "Magnetic Vortex" isn't true & it's been ignored. It hasn't been answered because no-one actually knows. (There isn't a single piece of written evidence because "they're" trying to hold it back for the same reasons they stopped the space program; the Govt eventually needs to answer to the people, private companies don't!) A theory as good as this shouldn't be discussed using the very small because many don't have access to the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) or the results it's "actually" producing. But, we all have access to large telescopes and there aren't too many "forces" acting uniformly throughout the universe.
Nature doesn't do straight lines and gamma rays are shot in a straight line. Again, I ask you to think of a bullet and then try to explain how this theory doesn't "hold up". Particles are irrelevant in this discussion because they use Math.
We live in a shooting gallery. Imagine a child 2 years old walking through a Rifle range and the shooter's don't even know the child is downrange.
That's the area of space we live in and we as a species really act like a 2yo. We cry when someone takes our toys and expect the boob when we're hungry.
If you are happy with the fact that "someone else will protect your children's way of life" then by all means give no thought to the theory and let people walk all over it.
Personally I think, if you guys are members of this forum with access to acceptable "scientific methods of verifying" then put up or don't bother being here. All I've seen (and I'm the first to admit I don't know anything) is negative responses to something quite critical. (No, I'm not talking about personality clashes)
We, as a species, didn't even realise Russia was about to be leveled. Millions of people would have been killed and the country destroyed. It isn't a stretch to see how it could have been the city you live in.
If you truly understand the "gravity" (Again, sorry about the pun but I thought I should lighten it up) of this theory then commit some time to it. If you don't, keep harping on and your intentions will be revealed.
Ah.... Hmm.
In answer to your direct question about the images I posted concerning the Saturn polar vortex storm: The first one is an image of a computer simulation that was performed by an academic team with access to a supercomputer. The second one is a photograph of my AnAtmoSphere Terella producing a similar pattern. It is _not_ a purposeful simulation of the polar vortex on Saturn, it is a configuration of electrically produced plasma inside an evacuated chamber that takes on the broad outlines of the Saturn group of storms. I believe that motions on a cosmic scale are influenced not only by gravity but also by electrical and magnetic forces, along the lines of the Electric Universe hypotheses of Wal Thornhill and David Talbot, and others. Many things happen in my Terella, and in Birkeland's before me, that look very much like larger scale events in the cosmos. The plasma configuration resembling the polar vorticial storms on Saturn is an example. But in the Saturn case there is more than just electrical stuff happening, there is also a lot of gravity, Coriolis effect, vertical convection and the rest, and it is _these_ that produce the vortices, while the overall electrical field _may_ be producing the larger hexagonal outline. Maybe.
As to the rest of your post... I won't rise to that bait, sorry. There are one or two or three genuine scientists posting on this forum and even in this thread. Respect is given where respect is due, and ditto disrespect. May I suggest that you go back to the very beginning of this thread and read the whole thing?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 21, 2014, 09:00:17 PM
I can't help but notice that whenever HighforMiles is put in an awkward position because of a video, he shuts the fuck up.
When i asked you to explain this one (((( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBS2bE8-CmE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBS2bE8-CmE) ))) you said:
"I dont know".
Its very simple, so explain it bitch.
On the other hand, you of course know everything. The phrase "I Don't Know" has probably never crossed your mind.
Yet you cannot explain several things I have challenged you to explain, and your other "explanations" are so much word salad gobbledegook, and cannot be used to engineer anything.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 21, 2014, 09:06:12 PM
There are one or two or three genuine scientists posting on this forum
That certainly IS NOT YOU
This coming from the mindless fuck that posted "proof" of NOTHING, doing what?..............
putting a Tonka truck tire on a wood STICK and rolling it around.
That video of yours still has me laughing. ;D ;D ;D
Kenny:
Simple logic: I did not shut up, I made a statement, "I don't know." Shutting up would be to say nothing. I have absolutely no problem stating "I don't know."
Trapped again!
Time for a multiple postagasm!
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on August 21, 2014, 09:14:41 PM
I have absolutely no problem stating "I don't know."
Since when. Youre the same idiot that keeps referencing that dickheads videos ripe with descriptions and devoid of explanations.
Youre the same demented mental midget who has been saying t
here is no magnetic vortex for the past 80 pages.I have no memory issues boy
What can you tell us about the CO-GRAVITATIONAL FIELD?
Oh, thats right, you NEVER defined the word "FIELD" ;D ;D ;DHere is where your HEAD is FULLY up your ASS.
Fields are not particles, are not mass, and likewise fields have NO CONCERN for the ramifications of magnitudes and measures (C squared)
@ TK
Thank you for that insight into your pic.
Sorry if I came across as baiting, that wasn't my intention. My interest lies only with the science and the expected outcomes not the forum "Think Tank".
I hope this has sparked further interest in magnetism and the universe in general. Any experiment conducted by people in their own homes is fantastic and should be encouraged and discussed in areas like this.
If there are actually scientists on this thread, you know more than most, science needs help. Scientists need a fresh perspective and new out of the box thinking. As scientists you'd be well aware how immature humanity is and how my "Rifle range" description is accurate. Turn on any "reality TV" show and you'd understand. (Please do hate my use of the word "Reality")
If nothing else hundreds of thousands of people are more interested in magnetism and a few more neurons are firing. Maybe it might turn into more $$$$ committed to finding those asteroids that will wipe us out.
Oh and there's no such thing as "Junk science". Anything that causes more neurons to fire isn't junk.
TA,
Speaking of "can you tell us?"
Do you agree that in your FLIR video, at 0:20 to 0:21 and again at 1:07 to 1:09, the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are all indicated as being at the same temperature within the resolving power of the FLIR camera?
PW
reference
It is indeed amazing what physicists, research scientists, and engineers can do using QED and state of the art electronics/optoelectronics.
PW
TA,
Possibly you missed my earlier post so I will ask again:
Do you agree that in your FLIR video, at 0:20 to 0:21 and again at 1:07 to 1:09, the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are all indicated as being at the same temperature within the resolving power of the FLIR camera?
PW
John Doe:
It's like this. This is all just a fusion-powered study in electromagnetic excitation. Ultimately we are all just "making waves." All the light, sound, all of Kenny's fields fields fields fields fields is just electromagnetic energy bouncing around due to an energy conversion process. On a basic level there is just mass and electromagnetic energy. We are nothing more than beacons in a sea of electromagnetic energy. It's all very fascinating, but there is nothing remarkable about the energy food chain in action. It's Maxwell's equations and all that stuff.
The true study of the disposition of the electromagnetic energy is microwave theory. Every signal in every circuit is really and truly explained by microwave theory. What happens and where the electromagnetic energy bounces around is just one giant life-size play-out in the expenditure of energy in all of it's various forms. It's all just one big "burn" and you are just one more ember burning in the big burn.
So they have pretty much figured out how the source of the burn energy gets converted into waves and fields fields fields fields. You just have to sit through a few microwave courses and have your basic physics wits intact to understand the big burn.
ECSE 351 Electromagnetic Fields (3 credits)
Offered by: Electrical & Computer Engr (Faculty of Engineering)
Overview
Electrical Engineering : Maxwell's equations, electrostatics, magnetostatics and induction for power-frequency electrical engineering problems.
Terms: Fall 2014, Winter 2015
Instructors: Martin Rochette (Fall) Dennis Giannacopoulos (Winter)
(3-1-5)
Prerequisites: ECSE 200, MATH 264.
Tutorials assigned by instructor.
ECSE 352 Electromagnetic Waves (3 credits)
Offered by: Electrical & Computer Engr (Faculty of Engineering)
Overview
Electrical Engineering : Transient and steady state wave propagation in transmission lines. Telephone and radio frequency lines. Smith's chart and impedance matching. Maxwell's equations, Helmholtz's equations, Poynting's theorem. Plane waves, polarization, Snell's law, critical and Brewster's angle. Rectangular waveguides, optical fibres, dispersion. Radiation and antennas. S-parameters.
Terms: Fall 2014
Instructors: Milica Popovich (Fall)
(3-2-4)
Prerequisite: ECSE 351
Tutorials assigned by instructor.
ECSE 405 Antennas (3 credits)
Offered by: Electrical & Computer Engr (Faculty of Engineering)
Overview
Electrical Engineering : Fundamentals of antenna theory: sources, radiation pattern and gain. Classification of antennas. Main antenna types and their characteristics. Antenna temperature, remote sensing and radar cross-section. Self and mutual impedances. Special topics include adaptive antennas, very large array (VLA) used in radio astronomy and biomedical applications.
Terms: This course is not scheduled for the 2014-2015 academic year.
Instructors: There are no professors associated with this course for the 2014-2015 academic year.
(3-0-6)
Prerequisites: ECSE 303 and ECSE 352.
Restriction: Not open to students who have taken ECSE 593.
ECSE 412 Discrete Time Signal Processing (3 credits)
Offered by: Electrical & Computer Engr (Faculty of Engineering)
Overview
Electrical Engineering : Discrete-time signals and systems; Fourier and Z-transform analysis techniques, the discrete Fourier transform; elements of FIR and IIR filter design, filter structures; FFT techniques for high speed convolution; quantization effects.
Terms: Fall 2014
Instructors: Benoit Champagne (Fall)
(3-1-5)
Prerequisite: ECSE 304 or ECSE 306.
Tutorials assigned by instructor.
ECSE 451 EM Transmission and Radiation (3 credits)
Offered by: Electrical & Computer Engr (Faculty of Engineering)
Overview
Electrical Engineering : Microwave transmission through waveguides: impedance matching, microwave devices, filters and resonators; microwave transmission though free space; near and far field behaviour of electromagnetic radiators, simple antennas, antenna arrays, practical antenna parameters; the physics of the radio communication channel: reflection, diffraction and scattering and their macroscopic impact (multipath, fading).
Terms: Winter 2015
Instructors: Jonathan P Webb (Winter)
(3-0-6)
Prerequisite: ECSE 352
And so on. Then when we run out of fuel it all goes dark and we all die.
I am willing to bet that you and Kenny have not indulged into waves waves waves waves waves and fields fields fields fields fields in any way close to the army of engineering professionals that give you your wireless networking and cell and data connections and everything else.
So who are you to say that science is all limited or wrong or unaware of some amazing other aspect that they somehow missed? If you are arguing from a position of ignorance then your argument is not credible.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on August 21, 2014, 10:59:43 PM
but there is nothing remarkable about the energy food chain in action. It's Maxwell's equations and all that stuff.
..........said the fucking idiot <<
Its not remarkable because you have NO clue what a "FIELD" is.
Since a FIELD hasnt got jack shit to do with particles or mass/matter ............that is "remarkable".
You can USE the word FIELD all you want,
but until you know what it is, WHY it is, HOW it is,,,.............then youre just a shit-flinging sub-human APE.
Do I sense some hostility?
Please answer PW's question.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 21, 2014, 11:12:12 PM
Do I sense some hostility?
Please answer PW's question.
it was answered 5 pages ago, the mag is
not the same temp.
Not agreeing with the answer is not "not answering the question".
Kenny:
Why do you see a faint reflection of yourself when you look through a glass window?
Boy, thats a great straight line.
I'll wait the appropriate time for Ken to take it tho.
Regards...
Quote from: MileHigh on August 21, 2014, 11:38:09 PM
Kenny:
Why do you see a faint reflection of yourself when you look through a glass window?
Dont confuse yourself (empirical) with your Self (soul). This is the idiots position in all metaphysics.
in ancient Pali it is ESO KAYA NA ME SO ATTA" (this body, myself, is not my SELF /Soul). DN 2.154
"The reflection in the waters, is a reflection, not a reflection of your Self, but a reflection of another reflection of what is also not thyself" - Proclus
Copyright 2007 Ken L Wheeler The Buddhist term Anatman (Sanskrit), or Anatta (Pali) is an adjective in sutra used to refer to the nature of phenomena as being devoid of the Soul, that being the ontological and uncompounded subjective Self (atman) which is the "light (dipam), and only refuge" [DN 2.100]. Of the 662 occurrences of the term Anatta in the Nikayas, its usage is restricted to referring to 22 nouns (forms, feelings, perception, experiences, consciousness, the eye, eye-consciousness, desires, mentation, mental formations, ear, nose, tongue, body, lusts, things unreal, etc.), all phenomenal, as being Selfless (anatta). Contrary to countless many popular (=profane, or = consensus, from which the truth can 'never be gathered') books (as Buddhologist C.A.F. Davids has deemed them 'miserable little books') written outside the scope of Buddhist doctrine, there is no "Doctrine of anatta/anatman" mentioned anywhere in the sutras, rather anatta is used only to refer to impermanent things/phenomena as other than the Soul, to be anatta, or Self-less (an-atta).
Specifically in sutra, anatta is used to describe the temporal and unreal (metaphysically so) nature of any and all composite, consubstantial, phenomenal, and temporal things, from macrocosmic to microcosmic, be it matter as pertains the physical body, the cosmos at large, including any and all mental machinations which are of the nature of arising and passing. Anatta in sutra is synonymous and interchangeable with the terms dukkha (suffering) and anicca (impermanent); all three terms are often used in triplet in making a blanket statement as regards any and all phenomena. Such as: "All these aggregates are anicca, dukkha, and anatta." It should be further noted that, in doctrine, that the only noun which is branded permanent (nicca), is obviously and logically so, the noun attan [Skt. Atman], such as passage (SN 1.169).
Anatta refers specifically and only to the absence of the permanent soul as pertains any or all of the psycho-physical (namo-rupa) attributes, or khandhas (skandhas, aggregates). Anatta/Anatman in the earliest existing Buddhist texts, the Nikayas, is an adjective, (A is anatta, B is anatta, C is anatta). The commonly (=profane, consensus, herd-views) held belief to wit that: "Anatta means no-soul, therefore Buddhism taught that there was no soul" is an irrational absurdity which cannot be found or doctrinally substantiated by means of the Nikayas, the suttas (Skt. Sutras), of Buddhism.
The Pali compound term and noun for "no soul" is natthatta (literally "there is not/no[nattha]+atta'[Soul]), not the term anatta, and is mentioned at Samyutta Nikaya 4.400, where Gotama was asked if there "was no-soul (natthatta)", to which Gotama equated this position to be a Nihilistic heresy (ucchedavada). Common throughout Buddhist sutra (and Vedanta as well) is the denial of psycho-physical attributes of the mere empirical self to be the Soul, or confused with same. The Buddhist paradigm (and the most common repeating passage in sutta) as regards phenomena is "Na me so atta" (this/these are not my soul), this most common utterance of Gotama the Buddha in the Nikayas, where "na me so atta" = Anatta/Anatman. In sutta, to hold the view that there was "no-Soul" (natthatta) is = natthika (nihilist). Buddhism differs from the "nothing-morist" (Skt. Nastika, Pali natthika) in affirming a spiritual nature that is not in any wise, but immeasurable, inconnumerable, infinite, and inaccessible to observation; and of which, therefore, empirical science can neither affirm nor deny the reality thereof of him who has 'Gone to That[Brahman]" (tathatta). It is to the Spirit (Skt. Atman, Pali attan) as distinguished from oneself (namo-rupa/ or khandhas, mere self as = anatta) i.e., whatever is phenomenal and formal (Skt. and Pali nama-rupa, and savinnana-kaya) "name and appearance", and the "body with its consciousness". [SN 2.17] 'Nonbeing (asat, natthiti [views of either sabbamnatthi 'the all is ultimately not' (atomism), and sabbam puthuttan 'the all is merely composite' [SN 2.77] both of this positions are existential antinomies, and heresies of annihilationism])'". In contrast it has been incorrectly asserted that affirmation of the atman is = sassatavada (conventionally deemed 'eternalism'). However the Pali term sasastavada is never associated with the atman, but that the atman was an agent (karmin) in and of samsara which is subject to the whims of becoming (bhava), or which is meant kammavada (karma-ism, or merit agencyship); such as sassatavada in sutta = "atta ca so loka ca" (the atman and the world [are one]), or: 'Being (sat, atthiti [views of either sabbamatthi 'the all is entirety', and sabbamekattan 'the all is one's Soul' [SN 2.77] both are heresies of perpetualism]). Sasastavada is the wrong conception that one is perpetually (sassata) bound within samsara and that merit is the highest attainment for either this life or for the next. The heretical antinomy to nihilism (vibhava, or = ucchedavada) is not, nor in sutta, the atman, but bhava (becoming, agencyship). Forever, or eternal becoming is nowhere in sutta identified with the atman, which is "never an agent (karmin)", and "has never become anything" (=bhava). These antinomies of bhava (sassatavada) and vibhava (ucchedavada) both entail illogical positions untenable to the Vedantic or Buddhist atman; however the concept of "eternalism" as = atman has been the fallacious secondary crutch for supporting the no-atman commentarialists position on anatta implying = there is no atman.
Logically so, according to the philosophical premise of Gotama, the initiate to Buddhism who is to be "shown the way to Immortality (amata)" [MN 2.265, SN 5.9], wherein liberation of the spirit/mind [Greek = nous] (cittavimutta; Greek = epistrophe) is effectuated thru the expansion of wisdom and the meditative practices of sati and samadhi (assimilation, or synthesis, complete disobjectification with all objective [unreal] 'reality'), must first be educated away from his former ignorance-based (avijja) materialistic proclivities in that he (the common fool) "saw any of these forms, feelings, this body in whole or part, to be my Self/Atman, to be that which I am by nature". Teaching the via negativa methodology of anatta in sutta pertains solely to things phenomenal, which were: "subject to perpetual change; therefore unfit to declare of such things 'these are mine, these are what I am, that these are my Soul'" [MN 1.232]. The one scriptural passage where Gotama is asked by a layperson what the meaning of anatta is as follows: [Samyutta Nikaya 3.196] At one time in Savatthi, the venerable Radha seated himself and asked of the Blessed Lord Buddha: "Anatta, anatta I hear said venerable. What pray tell does Anatta mean?" "Just this Radha, form is not the Soul (anatta), sensations are not the Soul (anatta), perceptions are not the Soul (anatta), assemblages are not the Soul (anatta), consciousness is not the Soul (anatta). Seeing thusly, this is the end of birth, the Brahman life has been fulfilled, what must be done has been done."
Anatta as taught in the Nikayas has merely relative value as it is directly conducive to Subjective awakening, or illumination; it is not an absolute one. It does not say or imply simply that the Soul (atta, Atman) has no reality, but that certain things (5 aggregates), with which the unlearned man (fool = puthujjana, as is always implied in spiritual texts, a materialist) identifies himself, are not the Soul (anatta) and that is why one should grow disgusted with them, become detached from them and be liberated. This principle of the extremely abused and misunderstood term anatta does not negate the Soul as such, but denies Selfhood to those things that constitute the non-self (anatta), showing them thereby to be empty of any ultimate value and to be repudiated; instead of nullifying the Atman (Soul) doctrine, it in fact compliments and affirms it in the most logical method by which Subjective gnosis is initially gained; that by and thru objective negation. It has been said that: 'No Indian school of thought has ever regarded the human soul (another error, since the soul is not a possession of, nor is of the nature of the persona, or 'human') or the carrier of human personal (persona [Bob, Larry, Sue] is never confused by the Metaphysician, with the Person/Atman/Purisha) identity as a permanent substance (literally meaning, absurdly "permanent impermanence [substance]")', which is certainly true when referring to the empirical persona (mere self [aggregates/namorupa], as opposed to the Person, spirit, atman), that 'ensouled' being, as was common in old English to say: "late at night, not a soul (mere person) was to be seen walking about". That the atman is not to be understood as a cartesian thinking substance, phenomena, or eternal soul, is certainly the case, and logically cannot be otherwise.
It cannot be missed that in so discussing the commentarialist's position of a 'doctrine of anatta' that anatta is merely a qualifier of something else and that anatta in and of itself in standalone is utterly meaningless and untenable to speak or make mention of an 'anatta doctrine' without qualification of what, and in what context, anatta is being qualified of X (the afore mentioned 22 things of which anatta is said to equal) i.e. that which is defacto equivalent to or with anatta. That anatta in doctrine is aught but ever equivalent to what is evil, foul, disgusting, phenomenal and repulsive, to therefore make declaration that, as many fool "buddhists" (in name only) have done, "anatta is a core tenant of Buddhism" cannot be enjoined, since the principle upon which Buddhism was founded is the quest for the immortal (amatagamimagga SN 5.9), and the unceasing bliss as gained by and thru liberation in wisdom's culmination. Anatta is, obviously so, a key principle in the doctrine of Buddhism (and other via negativa systems, of which Advaita also makes extensive use of the term anatman) and the metaphysics thereof quantify anatta and being meant all physical and mental consubstantial and temporal objectivity; all compounded things either in simplex (matter, hyle) or complex (mental). As an-atta is meant not-Subject (=object [phenomena]), those things, as Buddhism declares "the unlearned fool bemuses himself as being (those things)". "What do you suppose, followers, if people were carrying off into the Jeta grove bunches of sticks, grasses, branches, and leaves and did with them as they wished or burned them up, would it occur to you: These people are carrying us off, are doing as they please with us, and are burning us? No, indeed not Lord. And how so? Because Lord, none of that is our Soul, nor what our Soul subsists upon! Just so followers, what is not who you are, do away with it, when you have made done with that, it will lead to your bliss and welfare for as long as time lasts. What is that you are not? Form, followers, is not who you are, neither are sensations, perceptions, experiences, consciousness" [MN 1.141]. Just as 'disgusting (anatta) doctrine' cannot make logical sense, neither does 'anatta doctrine' bring light to studiers of Buddhism what anatta is contextually or its philosophical importance as being merely a qualifier of that which is evil, foul, disgusting, phenomenal and repulsive (= anatta). Anatta is of course a doctrinal tenant within Buddhism used to earmark phenomena, however as conventionally and irrationally conceived, there is absolutely no such creature in Buddhism as a "no-Soul doctrine".
What has Buddhism to say of the Self? "That's not my Self" (na me so atta); this, and the term "non Self-ishness" (anatta) predicated of the world and all "things" (sabbe dhamma anatta); Identical with the Brahmanical "of those who are mortal, there is no Self/Soul", (anatma hi martyah [SB., II. 2. 2. 3]). [KN J-1441] "The Soul is the refuge that I have gone unto". For anatta is not said of the Self/Soul but what it is not. There is never and nowhere in sutra, a 'doctrine of no-Soul', but a doctrine of what the Soul is not (form is anatta, feelings are anatta, etc.). It is of course true that the Buddha denied the existence of the mere empirical "self" in the very meaning of "my-self" (this person so-and-so, namo-rupa, an-atta, i.e. Bob, Sue, Larry etc.), one might say in accordance with the command 'denegat seipsum, [Mark VII.34]; but this is not what modern and highly unenlightened writers mean to say, or are understood by their readers to say; what they mean to say and do in fact say, is that the Buddha denied the immortal (amata), the unborn (ajata), Supreme-Self (mahatta'), uncaused (samskrta), undying (amara) and eternal (nicca) of the Upanishads. And that is palpably false, for he frequently speaks of this Self, or Spirit (mahapurisha), and nowhere more clearly than in the too often repeated formula 'na me so atta', "This/these are not my Soul" (na me so atta'= anatta/anatman), excluding body (rupa) and the components of empirical consciousness (vinnana/ nama), a statement to which the words of Sankhara are peculiarly apposite, "Whenever we deny something unreal, is it in reference to something real" [Br. Sutra III.2.22]; since it was not for the Buddha, but for the nihilist (natthika), to deny the Soul. For, [SN 3.82] "yad anatta....na me so atta, "what is anatta...(means) that is not my Atman"; the extremely descriptive illumination of all thing which are Selfless (anattati) would be both meaningless and a waste of much time for Gotama were (as the foolish commentators espousing Buddhism's denial of the atman) to clarify and simplify his sermons by outright declaring 'followers, there is no atman!', however no such passage exists. The Pali for said passage would be: 'bhikkhave, natthattati!'; and most certainly such a passage would prove the holy grail and boon for the Theravadin nihilists (materialists) who have 'protesteth too much' that Buddhism is one in which the atman is rejected, but to no avail or help to their untenable views and position by the teachings themselves.
Outside of going into the doctrines of later schisms of Buddhism, such as Sarvastivada, Theravada, Vajrayana, Madhyamika, and lastly Zen, the oldest existing texts (Nikayas) of Buddhism which predate all these later schools of Buddhism [The Sanchi and Bharut inscriptions (aka the Pillar edicts) unquestionably dated to the middle of the second century B.C.E. push the composition of the 5 Nikayas back to a earlier date by mentioning the word "pañcanekayika" (Five Nikyas), thereby placing the Nikayas as put together (no later than) at a period about half way between the death of the Buddha and the accession of Asoka (before 265 B.C.), as such the 5 Nikayas, the earliest existing texts of Buddhism, must have been well known and well established far earlier than generally perceived. Finally proving the majority of the five Nikayas could not have been composed any later than the very earliest portion of the third century B.C.E.], anatta is never used pejoratively in any sense in the Nikayas by Gotama the Buddha, who himself has said: [MN 1.140] "Both formerly and now, I've never been a nihilist (vinayika), never been one who teaches the annihilation of a being, rather taught only the source of suffering (that being avijja, or nescience/agnosis), and its ending (avijja)." Further investigation into negative theology is the reference by which one should be directed as to a further understanding of this 'negative' methodology which the term anatta illuminates. It should be noted with great importance that the founder of Advaita Vedanta, Samkara used the term anatman lavishly in the exact same manner as does Buddhism, however in all of time since his passing, none have accused Samkara of espousing a denial of the Atman. Such as: "Atma-anatma vivekah kartavyo bandha nuktaye"-"The wiseman should discriminate between the Atman and the non-Atman (anatman) in order to be liberated." [Vivekacudamani of Samkara v. 152], "Anatman cintanam tyaktva kasmalam duhkah karanam, vintayatmanam ananda rupam yan-mukti karanam."-"Give up all that is non-Atman (anatman), which is the cause of all misery, think only of the Atman, which is blissful and the locus of all liberation." [Vivekacudamani of Samkara v. 379], "Every qualifying characteristic is, as the non-Atman (anatman), comparable to the empty hand." [Upadisa Sahasri of Samkara v. 6.2], "the intellect, its modifications, and objects are the non-Atman (anatman)." [Upadisa Sahasri of Samkara v. 14.9], "The gain of the non-Atman (anatman) is no gain at all. Therefore one should give up the notion that one is the non-Atman (anatman)." [Upadisa Sahasri of Samkara v. 14.44]. In none of the Buddhist suttas is there support for "there is no-atman" theories of anatta . The message is simply to cease regarding the very khandhas in those terms by which the notion of atman has, itself, been so easily misconstrued. As has been shown, detaching oneself from the phenomenal desire for the psycho-physical existence was also a central part of Samkara's strategy. There is, hence, nothing in the suttas that Samkara, the chief proponent of Advaita Vedanta, would have disagreed with.
Due to sectarian (and secular) propagation of commentary over that of doctrine, and more still a nominalized, or neutered mistranslation of the original Pali texts, a general acceptance of the concept of "A Doctrine of Anatta" exists as a status quo, however there exists no substantiation for same in sutta for Buddhism's denial of the atman, or in using the term anatta in anything but a positive sense in denying Self-Nature, the Soul, to any one of a conglomeration of corporeal and empirical phenomena which were by their very transitory nature, "impermanent (anicca), suffering (dukkha), and Selfless (anatta)". The only noun in sutra which is referred to as "permanent (nicca)" is the Soul, such as Samyutta Nikaya 1.169. Buddhism's 'na me so atta' is no more a denial of the Atman than is Socrates' 'to...soma....ouk estin ho anthropos' (the body is not the Man [Aniochus 365]) is a denial of the Man. Young men asked Gotama as to the whereabouts of a woman they were seeking to which he replied "What young men do you think, were it not better for you to seek the Atman (atmanam gavis) than a woman?" [Vin 1.23]. In fact the term "Anatmavada" is a concept utterly foreign to Buddhist sutta, existing in only non-doctrinal Theravada, in some Mahayana, and Madhyamika commentaries. As the truism holds, a "lie repeated often enough over time becomes the truth". Those interested parties incident to learning of Buddhism are most often incapable of pouring through endless gigantic piles of Buddhist doctrine, and have therefore defacto accepted the commentarial-based trash, the notion of a "doctrine of anatta (or often said "no soul doctrine")" as key to Buddhism itself, when in fact there exists not one citation of this untenable and irrational concept in either the Digha, Majjhima, Samyutta, Anguttara, or Khuddaka Nikayas. Unless evoking a fallacy, we who seek out Buddhism sans the commentarialists slants and opinion-based musings, must stick strictly to sutta as reference, wherein the usage of anatta never falls outside of the parameter of merely denying Self or Soul to the profane and transitory phenomena of temporal and samsaric life which is "subject to arising and passing", and which is most certain not (an) our Soul (atta). Certainly the most simple philosophically based logic would lead anyone to conclude that no part of this frail body is "my Self, is That which I am", is "not my Soul", of which Gotama the Buddha was wholeheartedly in agreement that no part of it was the Soul i.e. was in fact anatta. The spiritual and metaphysical adept is one who must be the "dead man walking" who has followed the commandment: "die before ye die!", and is one who has died to that (mere) self and lives in the Spirit, or the Self. This is the discernment between the Great Self (mahatta) and little self (alpatman); or the fair Self (kalyanatta) from the foul self (papatta).
The perfect contextual usage of anatta in sutta: "Whatever form, feelings, perceptions, experiences, or consciousness there are (the five aggregates), these he sees to be without permanence, as suffering, as ill, as a plague, a boil, a sting, a pain, an affliction, as foreign, as otherness, as empty (suññato), as Selfless (anattato). So he turns his mind (citta) away from these and gathers his mind/will within the realm of Immortality (amataya dhatuya). This is tranquility; this is that which is most excellent!" [MN 1.436]. The Buddha never considered the atman to be micchaditthi (wrong view). If the Buddha disbelieved in an atman (soul) why did he not deny the atman unambiguously? There is no such denial.
By denying outright the soul, by default, the Theravadins, western 'scholars' examining Buddhism, and modern "buddhists" imply that the five aggregates are ultimate. This of course is absurd. They have merely shifted Buddhism to an empiricism by ignoring pro-atman statements. According to them, what is real is what makes sensory knowledge possible, namely, the five aggregates which, ironically, according to the canon, are = Mara, or evil (papa); [SN 3.195] "Mara = five khandhas (empirical self)". It begs the question to assume that the no-soul doctrine had been established at the beginning of the Buddha's ministry and that the atman (soul) was, in every respect, an abhorrent term. Still, for such a supposedly abhorrent term, there are innumerable, are countless positive instances of atman used throughout the Nikayas, especially used in compounds which are easily glossed over by a prejudicial commentator and nominalist translators. In meeting these instances, not surprisingly, these same prejudicial translators have erected a theory that the atman is purely a reflexive pronoun. The lexical rule that atman (Pali: attan) is to be used strictly in a pronominal fashion, or simply should be used as a signifier for the finite body, is unwarranted. Scholars like C.A.F. Davids, Conze, Humphrey, Schrader, Horner, Pande, Coomarswamy, Radhakrishnan, Sogen, Suzuki, Julius Evola, and Nakamura, just to name some important scholars, disagree with the claim that Buddha categorically denied an eternal (nicca) soul, whose teachings then, would be classified as Annihilationist and Materialist. In fact there are utterly none living or dead who have examined the original texts in detail whilst refraining from sectarian and commentarial explanations and concluded Buddhism has in any way denied the atman thru and by means of the usage of the term anatta or otherwise. The fatally determined conglomeration which comprises the temporal body "headed for the grave" is not in dispute and is what is meant by anatta. To this there can be no opposition since all forms of metaphysics cry out for a "freedom from (that mere) self", as Buddhism is in full agreement: [Dhm. 147] "Behold! That painted puppet this body, riddled with oozing sores, an erected façade. Diseased heap that fools fancy and swoon over; True Essence is not part of it! For the body befalls utter destruction, [Dhm. 148] "This body is soon worn out. It is that very same abode for disease and sicknesses that is broken apart. The body is soon cast away, that very putrid heap. It is always in death that life meets its end!", [Dhm. 150] "Behold! This city of bones, plastered together with flesh and blood. Within its walls are old age and death. Pride, arrogance, and hypocrisy are its townsfolk!", [MN 1.185] "What of this short-lived body which is clung to by means of craving? There is nothing in it to say 'I' or 'mine' or 'me'."
The term anatman is found not only in Buddhist sutras, but also in the Upanishads and lavishly so in the writings of Samkara as mentioned earlier. Anatman is a common via negativa (neti neti, not this, not that) teaching method common to Vedanta, Neoplatonism, Buddhism, early Christian mystics, and others, wherein nothing affirmative can be said of what is "beyond speculation, beyond words, and concepts" thereby eliminating all positive characteristics that might be thought to apply to the Soul, or be attributed to it; to wit that the Subjective ontological Self-Nature (svabhava / atman) can never be known objectively, but only thru "the denial of all things which it (the Soul) is not"- Meister Eckhart. This doctrine is also called by the Greeks Apophasis. Via negativa can only go so far, such that the Subject (Witness/Atman) cannot be negated (Subject precedes any object of negation, even and also false attempts at Subject/Witness negation [=nihilism]). Objective negation culminates in Subjective gnosis and liberation, not to mention is the most expedient means to Atman-realization (atmanbodhi, cittavimutta, pannavimutta, etc.). Just as a fool might, for hundreds of hours, pick thru a pile of straw (phenomena) in search of a needle (atman), the wisest of men, in mere seconds, lights a match to the phenomena (straw) which quickly burns and blows away, leaving before his feet the needle sought; and this is of course part of the expediency as core to the via negativa methodology.
Modern Buddhism (so-called, not that it is Buddhism in any way) labors under the heinous delusion that from the outset there is no immaterial and ontological soul, or atman in the system of Buddhism and therefore the only logical conclusion from this false premise is that Buddhism is merely a profane moral Humanism based in compassionate empirical idealism, 'liberation but no Liberant', and this is palpably false. Under the guise of a more polished form of physicalism or rather, Atheism, a mere qualifier of objective phenomena, anatta, has overrun a noetic metaphysics, Buddhism, based in extracting the nous (spirit, citta, Self) from the objective cosmos (=anatta) wherein it has been miserably immersed since time immemorial as due to the attribute of the Absolute (Brahman, Greek = Hen), that being avijja (agnosis, nescience, as is philosophically meant Emanationism). Avijja (a+vijja [atman]) and anatta (an+atman) in no way differ, such that both refer to the beginningless privation, or objectivity immanent to the Absolute. Overcoming this objective desire (tanha) and enthrallment which constitute what is meant by anatta, is vijja (illumination), or conventionally liberation (vimutta, vijjavimutta); namely the only connection between atman and anatta is that of avijja to which Buddhism's endgoal is pannavimutta (liberation via wisdom) in which avijja has no longer any footing; where avijja is not present, so too is anatta absent, this is the very Tathagata (gone to Brahman, or That), the same 'dead man walking', he who has 'died before he has (physically) died'. Like the ancient riddle about the fool "who rides upon horseback looking to and fro for a horse, and seeing none, denies that horses exist", so too is modern buddhism inept and impotent in 'seeing' that the focus is the Witness (atman), that very Subject which cannot be known (empirical knowledge) objectively, but which can be Known (gnosis, wisdom); thereby effectuating "liberation", "immortality" (amata), and the declaration that "this is my last life".
That myself or anyone need go into such extensive and repetitive detail about a simple term, anatta, which now corruptly forms the basis of modern Buddhism, only demonstrates the heights from which original Buddhism has fallen severely over the past 2400 years. Like an ancient city in the jungle overgrown with vines and weeds, shat upon by nesting birds, and inhabited by fanged monkeys who fling their feces at visitors, modern "buddhism" attracts only the mentally perverse, often spiritually suicidal, who wrongly see superficially something noble in a soulless nihilistic Humanistic idealism.
The Two Selves Copyright 2007 Ken L Wheeler The greatest fool in Buddhist doctrine was one who "saw Self (atman) in (mere) self (anatta)" ("anattani ca attati") [AN 2.52], certainly one of the most common refrains in Buddhist sutta. Some of the greatest harbingers of the incapacity to differentiate the empirical (namo-rupic) self from The Self are most certainly the 'Buddhists' who never end in revelry of quoting Gotama to the effect that all 'phenomena are Selfless (anattoti)'. The empirical self is = anatta, [SN 3.196], that very khandic (namo-rupic) self which modern 'Buddhism' alone acknowledges, but not that other Self which is the "light and refuge" [DN 2.154].
What has Buddhism to say of the Self? "That's not my Self" (na me so atta); and the term "non Self-ishness" (anatta) are predicated of the world and all "things" (sabbe dhamma anatta); identical with the Brahmanical "of those who are mortal, there is no Self/Soul", (anatma hi martyah), [SB., II. 2. 2. 3]). [KN J-1441] "The Soul is the refuge that I have gone unto". For anatta is not said of the Self/Soul but what it is not. There is never a 'doctrine of no-Soul', but a doctrine of what the Soul (The Self) is not (form is anatta, feelings are anatta, etc.). It cannot be denied that what is anatta is indeed the mere and petty self for [SN 3.196], and countless other passages, the mere self of psycho-physicality is = anatta = khandhas; that same self which the disciple is instructed to have his will (ctta) reject in the face of illumination and insight.
Of the Metaphysician, the common-fool (puthujjana) who knows "only of his self, is fated to most certainly die when his time comes", but of that noble Aryan sage who has claimed the summit of wisdom and is "freed the will/nous (cittavimuttati)", he is a "dead man walking"; meaning he has "died to that mere self and lives in The Self". Such a person in quest for same is commanded "die before ye die!", or that before physical death come and lest you still suffer the delusion of The Self to be this (foul) self of flesh and bone you have dispirited and disobjectified the will (Self-assimilation = Atman) in upon itself (samadhi, liberation).
The common fool who ruminates over immortality envisages the survival of the personality (of person so-and-so; Bob, Sue); confusing the empirical self of "flesh, urine, blood, bone, feces" [Dhm] with the Spirit (atman). This empirical self is in doubt by none, that very same self "headed to the grave" and which "goes in its own time". The Metaphysician knows that any 'self' created in time must also perish in those same ("fires of") time. [Dhm. 147] "Behold! That painted puppet this body, riddled with oozing sores, an erected façade. Diseased heap that fools fancy and swoon over"; of which Buddhism in no way quarrels with modern and corrupt 'Buddhism', that of which this very self, the temporal phenomena of that person so-and-so is equally as much 'dukkha, anicca, and anatta".
The 'reflexive position' taken by illogical modern 'Buddhism' proclaims the Pali term Attan (Skt. Atman, Self) to be merely a reflexive term meaning "oneself, himself, herself", however the reflexive and empirical mere self is, regardless of translation, "anatta" i.e. "na me so atta" (not my Soul), or also "eso khandhassa na me so atta" (these aggregates [forms, feelings, perceptions, experiences, consciousness =mere self] are no the Self, the Soul). As pertains the reflexive self, of who proclaim "myself, himself, herself" we are referring to "that person so-and-so (Larry, Sue, etc.)", the empirical and psycho-physical (namo-rupa) self of blood and sinew which is "doomed to fall into the grave at long last", the very same self the poetic dead are said to cry out to the living "what you are, we (the dead) once were,. what we are you shall be!". Even more illogical is the double standard of commentarialist and sectarian 'Buddhists' who desire anatta to mean 'no-Soul' as well as atta to mean simply 'myself, himself, herself'; wherein illogically atta in the adjective anatta is, to their ignorant minds = Soul ('no-soul'), but atta in standalone = 'myself'. As illogical an end result, modern Buddhism has proclaimed atta = anatta! Its quite hard to fathom any position more senseless than this, however this is one of the countless reasons modern 'Buddhism' is illogical without end. However doctrinally and logically so, what IS anatta (the five psycho-physical aggregates of the mere self) are indeed 'myself', in so meaning the mortal (mata) self composed of the bodily humors which is fated to death. That mere self is never implied nor meant when Buddhism speaks of immortality and the path leading to same (amatagamimagga) [SN 5.9], of which "the body cannot pass that gate to fare beyond,..only the Soul (The Self)" - Homer
The great dictum of the Upanishads is "That (Brahman) thou art" (tat tvam asi). "That" is here, of course, the Atman or Spirit, Sanctus Spiritus, the Greek pneuma; this Atman is the spiritual essence, impartite whether transcendent or immanent; and however many and various directions to which it may extend or from which it may withdraw, it is the unmoved mover in both intransitive and transitive senses. It lends itself to all modalities of being but never itself becomes anyone or anything. That than which all else is vexation- That thou art. "That", in other words, is Brahman, or Godhead in the general sense of Logos or Being, considered as the universal source of all Being. That which is "in" him as the finite (1) in the infinite (2-infinity, i.e. phenomena, namo-rupa), though not a "part" of him.
Referring back to "of those who are mortal, there is no Self/Soul", the common fool doesn't 'have' an atman as such that we might agree with heretical modern 'Buddhism' which denies Selfhood in the absolute; for those same peoples who, in the grand bloom of ignorance, accept the foul self and deny the Great-Self, they are objectively (self-khandhas) assured that no underlying Subject (The Self) is immanent, or transcendent. Just as a man might have gold on his land, undiscovered and unknown, he has no gold, no wealth, even though it be his by measure of being present upon his very lands; so too those common fools (puthujjana), the 'Buddhists' who are certain and proud in their ignorance that this temporal personality, this self, is all there is. Theravada, in great illogic, goes one further to say that Gotama's denial of nihilism (ucchedavada) was aimed at meaning that even the empirical self, since it itself was merely a composite and temporal construct, had no existence to be annihilated; thereby subverting the doctrinal 'heresy of nihilism' to be placed upon the view of denying the empirical self rather than The Self, the Atman. Of course, to 'have an atman' implies possession, and certainly so the immanent Subject, The Self, is a possession by nothing and by nobody; in this too the wiseman agrees with the common materialist who ignorantly proclaims "I don't have an atman/Soul", most certainly that foul self does not 'have' The Self any more so than that object which is illuminated from afar 'has (of itself) light'.
"There are two within us" [Plato's Republic 439d, 604b]; in the expression of "self-control" implying that there is one that controls and the other (self) subject to control, for we know that "nothing acts upon itself"; for the one self "becomes", and the other self "is". "The 'fair' self (kalyanam attanam)...the 'foul' self (papam attanam)" [AN 1.149]; i.e. the "great Self" (mahatta) and the "petty" (appatumo) [AN 1.249], or that "self whose Lord is the Self" [Dhm 380]. In that modern so-called Buddhism has denied The Self, it has constructed an illogical impossibility in thereby positing empirical purity of which the doctrine of Buddhism itself, not to mention logic alone most heartily protests, for there is no possibility of empirical purity within the teachings of Buddhism.
It is of course true that the Buddha denied the existence of the mere empirical "self" in the very meaning of "my-self" (this person so-and-so, namo-rupa, an-atta), one might say in accordance with the command 'denegat seipsum, [Mark VII.34]; but this is not what modern so-called Buddhism means to say, or are understood by their readers to say; what they mean to say is that the Buddha denied the immortal (amata), the unborn (ajata) and Supreme-Self (mahatta') of the Upanishads. And that is palpably false, for he frequently speaks of this Self, or Spirit (mahapurisha), and nowhere more clearly than in the too often repeated formula 'na me so atta', "This/these are not my Soul" (na me so atta'= anatta/anatman), excluding body (rupa) and the components of empirical consciousness (vinnana/ nama). "What of this short-lived body which is clung to by means of craving? There is nothing in it to say 'I' or 'mine' or 'me'." [MN 1.185]. "What do you suppose, followers, if people were carrying off into the Jeta grove bunches of sticks, grasses, branches, and leaves and did with them as they wished or burned them up, would it occur to you: These people are carrying us off, are doing as they please with us, and are burning us? No, indeed not Lord. And how so? Because Lord, none of that is our Soul." [MN 1.141]. "What do you think, is form lasting or impermanent? Impermanent Gotama. Is that which is impermanent suffering or blissful? Indeed its suffering Gotama. Is that which is impermanent and suffering and subject to perpetual change; is it fit to declare of such things 'this is mine, this is what I am, this is my Soul? Indeed not Gotama!" [MN 1.232].
Buddhism's command, same as that of Plotinus and the Pythagoreans before him, was the utter disobjectification of the will by inversion of that primordial attribute which is uncaused and without beginning (attribute/avijja). For only the wise and illuminated fully know the two selves, differentiate the two by means of wisdom with which they are endowed, and certainly do not see "Self in what is (mere) self (anatta)".
@ MH
I can appreciate the beauty in waves. It offers a simple, although quite complex, way of looking at things and is represented in the solar system through interactions we can verify through telescopes. Although it is also represented in the vortex theory of magnetism quite well to.
My argument about this theory is it warrants further investigation & multi-tasking shouldn't just be left to women.
I do indeed think scientists need help. Humanity needs to evolve at a faster rate or we risk not surviving. Instead of asking scientists what they need to prevent another disaster like the one that nearly wiped Russia off the map humanity looked where to "apply blame" because the biggest asteroid in modern history went completely "un-noticed"!!!!!!!!!! <<< This is the nail in the coffin for all Politicians on the planet as far as I'm concerned.
If out of the box thinking will lead to more interest in science and in turn more intelligence to humanity, then give me more people like TA any day.
The thing that enrages me is that because TA's theory isn't of the norm, he's given NO resources to prove it either way. Instead he has to rely on his own pocket depth & people in position to help offer books instead of what he understands; which is holding stuff in his hand.
We can't all learn by reading (I don't agree with this method). Some of us learn by touching. (Which I believe is far better because it can't be "manipulated")
No one here can explain Eugene Podkletnov's work that focuses on this very topic.
Quote from: MileHigh on Today at 05:38:09 AM (http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg415349/#msg415349)Kenny:
Why do you see a faint reflection of yourself when you look through a glass window?
Now if I wuz Ken, or if he wur me...I he we wooda said in reply:
'Hell, I'm still trying to figure out why I see a faint reflection of your face when I put my ass in front of a glass window.'
I'm here all week...try the beef strokinoff
Regards...
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 21, 2014, 11:30:56 PM
it was answered 5 pages ago, the mag is not the same temp.
Not agreeing with the answer is not "not answering the question".
TA,
No, you have never before answered the FLIR related questions I asked.
So, are you actually stating that at 0:20 to 0:21 and again at 1:07 to 1:08 in the FLIR video, you see the magnet as "not the same temp" as the holding fixture, CRT or surrounding ambient?
PW
Kenny I am asking you for a technical answer.
Zero: Buffoonery over scat any day.
Quote from: john_doe on August 22, 2014, 12:29:25 AM
@ MH
I can appreciate the beauty in waves.
waves are not principles. You forgot to ask .."what is waving"?
there is gold in the golden lion, but no lion in the GOLD.
idiots like HighforMiles and Picobrain have reified attributes AS principles.
But this is the attribute of their ignorance
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on August 22, 2014, 12:37:03 AM
'Hell, I'm still trying to figure out why I see a faint reflection of your face when I put my ass in front of a glass window.'
People like HighforMiles are a dime a 1000 , they have no minds of their own, they cannot reason or make logical leaps of intuitive logical investigations.
Theyve been sucking off the tits of ignorance so long, theyre useless for dielectic discussions on any abstruse matter.
Academia is ripe with this flavor of scum. They all regurgitate the bullshit they were told to believe.
Its not different than religion.
A diff. flavor of stupidity.
AS STATED already...........magnetic attraction DOES NOT EXIST.
Scum like him and his ilk could NEVER collect the evidence for this, much less be lead to this logical conclusion of the facts, evidences, and irreducible simplicity of this discovery
Never in a million years. ;D
TA,
No, you have never before answered the FLIR related questions I asked.
So, are you actually stating that at 0:20 to 0:21 and again at 1:07 to 1:08 in the FLIR video, you see the magnet as "not the same temp" as the holding fixture, CRT or surrounding ambient?
PW
Quote"The reflection in the waters, is a reflection, not a reflection of your Self, but a reflection of another reflection of what is also not thyself" - Proclus"
If no one has given any attention to this very important phrase, do you think many bothered to read the rest of the message? It's hard to really think! It's much easier to do figuration and to fit in habits and scientific dogmas, than lean seriously on issues that define and shape themselves and the surrounding of so called reality. Jus simple mental blockages, not even noticeable by themselves!
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on August 22, 2014, 03:19:01 AM
If no one has given any attention to this very important phrase, do you think many bothered to read the rest of the message? It's hard to really think! It's much easier to do figuration and to fit in habits and scientific dogmas, than lean seriously on issues that define and shape themselves and the surrounding of so called reality. Jus simple mental blockages, not even noticeable by themselves!
SaDAng
Their ignorances is well known to me. Its no concern, I have a bliss of comprehension they will never 'feel'.
I would say they cannot see the forest for the trees, but in their case, they've ALSO never see a tree.
Kudos Ken!!! "tree" !!! you are just too... kind to MH and TK, their mission is to kill all debate and any new forms of discovery here.
As soon as a new topic is made they are first to respond are the resident shills ..
Ask why would any one attack all posts with negative comments, as it is their "job" to do this !!
I have been here on this forum going on since I made the Kapanadze device 2011 and have never seen such chopping of ideas as has been done by these two resident shills..
Ken it is the first time that you have enough ammo to reduce their posting crap to a single word
"tree" !!!!!
Their posting are always Negative !!!
They Never provide any positive comments ...........
and TK is the worst of them, he is the the king rat "FINK" .. look it up.....
it just makes me sick .....
Acca..
They are just f****** rats !!!!
Kenny:
Why do you see a faint reflection of yourself when you look through a glass window?
That is a technical question.
I wish I never told you TA to do a entropy test on that magnet ! You again here insult people and have resorted to ego twitter and no science ! Not one dam bit of real science ! A complete pie in the sky approach ! There is no magnetic vortex and never will be its a vacuum and TA thinks he is a scientist judge a jury ! We the earth science team first isolated the heat signal on the magnet years ago but it gets hotter in line with global warming .....
TA made the first public video of it after we pointed him in the right direction and you confirmed that in the video !!!! Its a dam sham to be honest We no fully regret our input !!! So the TA approach is the way science is carried out in America ????? NO LODGIC NO REASON FULL OF INSULTS NO MATHS NO PHYSICS NO CONSULTATION NO CONFORMATIONS FULL PUBLIC DISCLOSOUR OF IRELEVENT MEANING LESS CALCULATIONS AND A DICTATOR LEADERSHIP WITH BLIND SHEEP CLOSE BEHIND !!!!
This plane is warming up to fast and that magnet can isolate the cause of it !!!! forget TAs theory its a theory and he is not the appointed to confirm anything !!!
Your next years hurricane season will kill many people destroy thousands of homes and you could prevent all of that if new what we do !!!! But its all about TA and he's blind ambition !!!!
I will now start a new thread with that magnetic and show you son how it is done ok >>>>>>>>>>>>>
yours truly
real science UK STYLE .....
Acca:
Q: What do you call three rabid believers in anything alternative with no technical understanding in a basement?
A: A whine cellar.
https://screen.yahoo.com/whiners-airplane-000000188.html
MILE HIGH WHAT PLANE SEAT YOU ON ?????? HONESTLY YOU DONT NEED A SEAT WHEN WE GET TO THE EYE OF THE STORM TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT IT !!!! JUST IMAGIN THAT SCIENCE OF MAGNETIC ENTROPIC CONDITIONS WOULD HOLD THE SWITCH TO THE STORM ! NO MORE HURACAINS ! IS THAT IMPORTANT FOR YOUR COUNTRY ???? NO ??? OR YES ??? OR YOU COULDNT GIVE A DAM LIKE TA ????
STOP THE ATTACK ON LODGIC
AND HELP THE PLANET
REGARDS
A WINNER
Quote from: Acca on August 22, 2014, 04:05:46 AM
Kudos Ken!!! "tree" !!! you are just too... kind to MH and TK, their mission is to kill all debate and any new forms of discovery here.
Theyre just cockroaches on the ass of life. Theyre children. They have no mission to comprehend anything.
Some new FERROCELL PICTURES of magnetic flux reciprocation:
TheoriaApophasis:
In your FLIR video 65 the title includes "FIRST TIME EVER SEEN ON EARTH" and your description for this video states "The
so-called "magnet" is vacuuming up the dielectric lines of force (dielectric to dielectric), which increases its capacitance
even MORE than it already is, and AS IS A UNIVERSAL NECESSITY, that charge increases the discharge in magnetic
radiation, and also resultant HEAT." (capital letters are your emphasis)
You've stated that you "appreciate genuine logic, experimentation, Platonic methods, and intelligent investigations" and
you continue to stand by your assertion that heat is being dissipated on the face of the magnet. Since there are at least 3
places on this video where the face of the magnet is recorded as being at the same temperature as the surroundings,
what is your explanation for these discrepancies in the video that you publicly posted as your proof?
In this video you also start by stating "Well folks, nobody on earth has ever seen this before and only one person knew to
look for it and expected it before he saw it, and that's yours truly." You may be convinced that the magnet is dissipating
heat but this video does not prove it without a logical explanation for the temperature discrepancies that appear in it.
You are quick to quote some greats such as Faraday, Tesla and Steinmetz but I'm sure they would've been quick to
distance themselves from the type of unscientific approach that you have publicly taken regarding this video. No human is
perfect, so why not admit a mistake or recognize an oversight if you can not explain the temperature discrepancies
that appear in the video you posted as your proof?
Subjectivity and irrationality have no place in scientific and experimental work, I do appreciate some of the other thought
provoking information that you have provided.
Quote from: Rfacts on August 22, 2014, 05:54:51 AM
these discrepancies
Ive seen none, go post a video refuting same. Let everyone know in your video Im full of BS, etc etc (invectives etc).
Quote from: Rfacts on August 22, 2014, 05:54:51 AM
You are quick to quote some greats such as Faraday, Tesla and Steinmetz
You and your kinsman have made a GOD out of fucking goon named Einstein who reified NOTHING (space) as that which does nearly EVERYTHING.
Yes, your hero was a flawless creature.
As soon as you convince the world to reject Einstein, who invented nothing, and is famous for a theory mostly disproved, then Ill throw it in.
Go write a book about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_KAepLtZ-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DKy4YgaymA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRz0a2qiCtc
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 22, 2014, 06:01:45 AM
You and your kinsman have made a GOD out of fucking goon named Einstein...
TheoriaApophasis:You are jumping to conclusions again with your irrational response and off topic derogatory rant. I've never mentioned
Einstein and I referred to Faraday, Tesla and Steinmetz as the greats. What you are succeeding in proving with your
video 65 and your evasive responses regarding it is your dogmatic subjectivity about it.
Time stamps of temperature discrepancies in your video 65 have been provided to you and to anyone else who wants to
check it for themselves. The point I made was that this video does not prove your assertion that heat is being dissipated
on the face of the magnet. It will be very telling if you refer to this as proof in your next ebook without a logical
explanation for these temperature discrepancies. Reviewers of your video and your related responses and discussion here
have all they need to make up their own mind about it.
Einstein invented nothing, eh? You can lie all you like, Kenny-poo, but it doesn't make it true, and with every lie you tell you just dig a deeper hole for yourself. I mean really... look where you are reduced to post! Oh how the mighty have fallen, eh, Kenny baby?
http://www.quora.com/How-many-patents-did-Albert-Einstein-have (http://www.quora.com/How-many-patents-did-Albert-Einstein-have)
Oh, luvly, a data mining site.
CI-eh ?
Quote from: john_doe on August 22, 2014, 12:29:25 AM
No one here can explain Eugene Podkletnov's work that focuses on this very topic.
Good post! However, there are many who can explain Eugene Podkletnov's work that focuses on this very topic, such as Miles Mathis (Charge Field, Kinematics), Frank Znidarsic (quantum transitional speed), Ioannis Xydous (aether's linear velocity), and Jerry Bayles (A-Potential, standing waves) just to name a few.
"The rabbit hole runs very deep"
"The old has been made new again"
Gravock
This is yours truly here
Don't speak about me son speak to me or get the hell out of here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Except what you see not what you want to see , Its a hot magnet suck on it if you like ! The only thing is the final entropy experiment needs to be also videoed to stop mumbo jumbo jumping back into the empty heads of them that need an empty head to fill with what they want to see ! GET REAL !
TA your SILENCE ON THE ENTROPY CONFORMATION NEEDS TO ENGAGE WITH THE FACT THAT IT MUST BE DONE TO STOP MUMBO JUMBO FUCKING UP EVERYTHING ....
Get ready with one magnet not charged and is completely dormant and one that is magnetized place both on a 1 inch block of ice 3 meters apart in the same room and keep out side of the room for 3 hours .................................................................................THAT WILL BE FINAL AND THE END OF BULLSHIT MUMBO JUMBO ..... ITS OK SON JUST FOLLOW THROUGH !!!!!
NOW IF YOU ALL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY IT BETTER BE ABOUT THAT MAGNET OR I WILL HAMMER YOUR BRAIN CELLS INTO A BLOB
REGARDS A HOT MAGNET
GET ON WITH IT
THE EITHER BUBBLE
History has waited a long time for the secrets of magnetism to be placed in one place at one time for the benefit of all humanity not just the chosen few !
If TA conducts the entropy test experiment to an agreed standard , method , and with all here as independent witness to the end result and if such test proved correct than we the Earth Science team a research and development group of the earth charity will proudly present to TA the either bubble as a gift for he's hard work and commitment to the science of magnetism a publishing deal and all the funding he may need to continue he's research ...
Regards
The real deal
But he's a artist not a scientist.... he's already shown it to the best of his ability, without having another camera filming him filming the heat (which is relative anyway ... it picks a highest and lowest in screen, so if something very hot or cold leaves the screen (in a zoom) it will still be a mid range profile for those pixels until they are the total differeence between themselves and the ambient... it's not really the receiver is maxxed... just the coding of the input is maxxed....
So places where it may look dim in transition are not trusty... or overly bright....
It is still 'light' based so a shiny magnet is more of a reflector? A mirror works? Maybe just use a flatter finish of a magnet?
Stop filling this topic with a lot of useless messages without any value for magnetism and vortex etheric theory! Try to post here only if have something to say that help this topic, otherwise stop messing things.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 22, 2014, 02:19:10 PM
But he's a artist not a scientist.
hows that shit work again? .....artist not a scientist.
Faraday and Maxwell were BOTH SELF CONFESSED HEAVY METAPHYSICISTS ALSO
Sir Isaac Newton was, .....WEIGHED BY THE POUND OF HIS BOOKS, ....was 5% a 'scientist', and 95% a Metaphysicist ;D
all genuine discovery, revelational level discovery, comes from metaphysicians, not stick and ruler empiricists.
I mean the Platonic definition of metaphysics, not its current BS connotation.
The ONLY people capable of non-linear intuitive understanding of "next level" ideas are those skilled in
Apophaticism, i.e. Platonic retroduction.
History has made that 100% clear.
WELL DONE TA YOU CHOSE THE MASTER OF MASTERS TO MIRROR YOUR ABILITIES
A scientist is also a 5 year old who can measure water in a bottle ! An artist is Hutchison who can levitate a cannon ball ! The magnetic is hot try some silver foil or a mirror compare to the dumb selfish mind in the negative non progressive statement ...... Look at the depth of the red around TAs body temperature and compare to the magnet its close to the same definition ...................
Also a neo magnet will increase the power of a small universal motor with a aluminium head ! Where do you think the energy comes from ??? Thin air or your empty jealous head ???
T A HAS GOT BALL OF FIRE TO STAND UP THERE AND CHALLANGE THE BEST THERE IS AND THAT INCLUDES ME MY TEAM AND PIGHEADED NIGHTMEARS WHO NEVER CONTRIBUTE A MOMENT OF VALUE TO THERE WORLD THAT IS ALSO MINE .......
Please build a giant egg made of led and make sure as you flow the hot led into the mould your sitting firmly inside of it ! The neo magnet is a perfect example of the vacuum and yes there is a storm within more like a particle vortex and it keeps that magnet hot for over 400 years ....
I have a zero point 2kw dc motor with these neo magnets and if they were not hot the dam thing would not work ... VERY SOON YOU WILL EAT YOUR WORDS SO IF I WERE YOU THINK IT THROUGH FIRST DO SOME EXSPERIMENTS AND GET SOME COURAGE IN YOUR WEAK SHALLOW LIFE .............................................
COUNT DOWN TO ROCK THE PLANET HAS COMMENCED
Any more mumbo jumbos out there please don't come in here for what will happen here is far to important for brain dead dragons or for idiot twisted creeps that have fuck all else to do !!!!!!!!!!!
regards
The best there is and now that includes TA ! The Earth science team welcomes knowledge not idiots ! or mumbo jumbos with there head stuck up there selfish arse .........................................
LET THE GAMES BEGIN LOL XXXX
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 22, 2014, 04:30:54 PM
hows that shit work again?
.....artist not a scientist.
maybe autist .... I'm a bad thesaurus...
metaphilosophist
empathic instead of scientific... convey through emotion vs knowledge.
I don't have any evidence except my word, surely you will disbelieve me.
maybe less specifically... to satisfy a want something done scientifically, bark up another tree.
Quote from: d3x0r on August 22, 2014, 05:18:46 PM
maybe autist .... I'm a bad thesaurus...
metaphilosophist
Have a sense of humor.
There is a LOST art of discovery, that being the point. All those who gave the world the MOST, were trained by classical Platonists, or pseudo-Platonic classical thinkers.
Tesla especially
OK BLIND BAT LISTEN TO TRUTH !
THE TA HOT SPOT IS ON THE TOP OF THE MAGNET NOT THE SIDES OK ! SO THINK IT THROUGH ! SCIENCE IS FACT OVER FICTION ERROR AND CORECTION FORMULA AND PERSEPTION WRONG AND RIGHT ..... STOP THE HEAD FUCK OR YOU WILL NOT SLEEP FOR A THOUSAND DAYS WITH THE BELL OF THE RED BLOB RINGING IN YOUR HEAD !
I FORGIVE YOU ! TRY AGAIN LOLXX
Kenny Shitwheeler, shit pedaller.
If you all could stop the negative and just let go a bit all can work together to the greater good , you all have a lot of untapped talent and TA is a bit of a hot head but that will change he knows that but he has doe good with that magnet by videoing it and putting it up here and not hidden the facts but the formula is ??????? Also its time all the secrets of magnetism was held in one book and not in a hundred books ...
SO THE HOT MAGNET IS ?????????????
A BIG PROBLEM FOR GLOBAL WARMING ! THERE IS A RED ALERT IN OUR LACK OF KNOWLAGE ! ALL THE PLANETS IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM ARE ALSO HEATING UP NOT JUST OUR PLANET AND THE HOT MAGNET OPENS UP A WAY TO LEARN WHY THAT IS .........
WHAT IS THE COMMON KEY FORMULA THAT CONNECTS THAT TOGHTHER ?????? TRY A DARK MATTER SUPPER STRING !!! AND REPEAT THE FARADAY EXSPERIMENT FOR THE MAGNET !!! TO ALL WHO TRYS WILL ONLY BE REWARDED WITH TRUTH AND A LADDER TO CLIMB .......
ME
The FLIR video is displaying how charge channeling through the magnet radiates heat, similar to how the earth radiates heat. Current core theory is that the magnetic field is created by a rotating, convecting core made of a highly conducting element like iron. To reverse a field created that way, the entire core would have to begin rotating the other direction, just for a start. Not only do we have no evidence of that, we have no mechanism for that. In a planet that continues to spin west to east, why and how would its core reverse? This just shows once again that core theory is non-mechanical and anti-empirical. Since charge channelling is the cause of internal heating, we no longer have an insoluble problem with magnetism. We do not have to reverse the spin of the core, we only have to reverse the summed spins on the photons moving through.
Charge coming to the Sun from the galactic core can be either photons or anti-photons, the ambient field of the entire Solar System can vary. Depending on what patch of greater charge the Sun is moving through in the galaxy, our local ambient field can sum either plus or minus. The nearer it sums to zero, the less magnetism we have, and the further from zero it sums, the more magnetism. When we move from a patch of plus to a patch of minus, the new patch will tamp down the old magnetism, and that is all we are seeing in the recent cycle. Magnetism, like heat, is not a result of any dynamo in the core. It is a result of charge channelling through the Earth.
Reference: What Causes the Earth's Heat? Answer: CHARGE (http://milesmathis.com/core.pdf), by Miles Mathis (Snapshots shown below)
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 22, 2014, 08:22:53 PM
The FLIR video is displaying how charge channeling through the magnet radiates heat, similar to how the earth radiates heat. Current core theory is that the magnetic field is created by a rotating, convecting core made of a highly conducting element like iron. To reverse a field created that way, the entire core would have to begin rotating the other direction, just for a start. Not only do we have no evidence of that, we have no mechanism for that. In a planet that continues to spin west to east, why and how would its core reverse? This just shows once again that core theory is non-mechanical and anti-empirical. Since charge channelling is the cause of internal heating, we no longer have an insoluble problem with magnetism. We do not have to reverse the spin of the core, we only have to reverse the summed spins on the photons moving through.
Charge coming to the Sun from the galactic core can be either photons or anti-photons, the ambient field of the entire Solar System can vary. Depending on what patch of greater charge the Sun is moving through in the galaxy, our local ambient field can sum either plus or minus. The nearer it sums to zero, the less magnetism we have, and the further from zero it sums, the more magnetism. When we move from a patch of plus to a patch of minus, the new patch will tamp down the old magnetism, and that is all we are seeing in the recent cycle. Magnetism, like heat, is not a result of any dynamo in the core. It is a result of charge channelling through the Earth.
Reference: What Causes the Earth's Heat? Answer: CHARGE (http://milesmathis.com/core.pdf), by Miles Mathis (Snapshots shown below)
Gravock
GB,
With regard to the time slots 0:20 to 0:21 and again at 1:07 to 1:08 in the FLIR video, do you see any difference in the magnet's temperature compared to its holding fixture, the CRT, or in the latter time slot, the ambient in general?
FLIR video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJvIMU7JYM
PW
Also: Note how at 1:14 the less reflective sticker attached to the magnet is indicated as being at ambient. The heat from the FLIR is not reflecting as well from the stickers surface as it does from the magnet's shiny metal plating.
Or, are we to believe that the magnetic field cannot penetrate the applied sticker?
ATTACHED:
Quote from: sadang on August 21, 2014, 05:51:42 AM
Or more correct like this one, because the Sun's path is also a helix around the galactic center!
There is no single straight line in the entire universe!
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU19Ovg-ifY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU19Ovg-ifY)
Yes, and the publication I referenced on the helical helix orbit of the solar system, also confirms how the sun moves helically on its own orbit around the Star of Polaris (snapshot of page 150, as shown in the pdf).
Gravock
Quote from: picowatt on August 22, 2014, 08:49:22 PM
GB,
With regard to the time slots 0:20 to 0:21 and again at 1:07 to 1:08 in the FLIR video, do you see any difference in the magnet's temperature compared to its holding fixture, the CRT, or in the latter time slot, the ambient in general?
FLIR video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJvIMU7JYM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJvIMU7JYM)
PW
Also: Note how at 1:14 the less reflective sticker attached to the magnet is indicated as being at ambient. The heat from the FLIR is not reflecting as well from the stickers surface. Or, are we to believe that the magnetic field cannot penetrate the applied sticker?
Heat is photon density. The charge field is channelled photons. In a magnet, more charges (photon/anti-photons) are channelled through the poles and moves through the equator. In conduction, more charges (photon/anti-photons) are channelled straight through the poles as compared to the equator. The heat (photon density) from the FLIR is being channelled through the charge field of the magnet, thus the magnet is showing how it's chanelling and radiating the heat through the magnet coming from the FLIR. It's interesting how the heat from the FLIR is in the IR, as is the charge field.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 22, 2014, 09:32:43 PM
Heat is photon density. The charge field is channelled photons. In a magnet, more charges (photon/anti-photons) are channelled through the poles and moves through the equator. In conduction, more charges (photon/anti-photons) are channelled straight through the poles as compared to the equator. The heat (photon density) from the FLIR is being channelled through the charge field of the magnet, thus the magnet is showing how it's chanelling and radiating the heat through the magnet coming from the FLIR. It's interesting how the heat from the FLIR is in the IR, as is the charge field.
Gravock
GB,
So "yes" or "no", do you see the magnet being at a different temperature from its immediate surroundings at the mentioned time slots? (ca 0:20 and 1:07)
As well, how do you account for the lack of indicated heat in the area covered by the sticker at 1:14?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 22, 2014, 09:36:33 PM
account for the lack of indicated heat in the area covered by the sticker at 1:14?
I said sticker in the video
, but its just colored electrical tape, RUBBER. Its an insulator.
considering the differential spread is 3-5 degrees, Yeah, insulating 3-5 degrees from thick MIL rubber isnt so hard :o ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 22, 2014, 09:45:48 PM
I said sticker in the video, but its just colored electrical tape, RUBBER. Its an insulator.
considering the differential spread is 3-5 degrees, Yeah, insulating 3-5 degrees from thick MIL rubber isnt so hard :o ;D ;D ;D
Interesting...
So you are saying that the nickel plated neo magnet, an object of high thermal mass and excellent thermal conductivity, is actually warmer than its surroundings and therefore radiating heat, and that the applied tape is acting as an insulator and preventing the heat from escaping where the tape is applied.
If this were the case, why does the magnet not appear to be any warmer than the the holding fixture, CRT, or ambient at c.a. 0:20 and 1:07?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 22, 2014, 09:36:33 PM
GB,
So "yes" or "no", do you see the magnet being at a different temperature from its immediate surroundings at the mentioned time slots? (ca 0:20 and 1:07)
As well, how do you account for the lack of indicated heat in the area covered by the sticker at 1:14?
PW
IR imaging device sees differences in the heat energy from the objects in its field of view. If everything in the frame were exactly the same temperature, no contrast would exist so no image would be produced.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 22, 2014, 09:59:39 PM
If everything in the frame were exactly the same temperature, no contrast would exist so no image would be produced.
Gravock
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You are correct.
And because their temperatures are indeed so similar, only a ghostly, barely visible outline of the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are visible at the indicated time slots.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 22, 2014, 10:02:09 PM
You are correct.
And because their temperatures are indeed so similar, only a ghostly, barely visible outline of the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are visible at the indicated time slots.
PW
I never disagreed with you.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 22, 2014, 10:15:09 PM
I never disagreed with you.
Gravock
So, are we in agreement then that at c.a. 0:20 and 1:07 in the video, the magnet, its holding fixture, and the CRT all appear to be at the same temperature?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 22, 2014, 10:18:07 PM
So, are we in agreement then that at c.a. 0:20 and 1:07 in the video, the magnet, its holding fixture, and the CRT all appear to be at the same temperature?
PW
What a demented sophist you are boy. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 22, 2014, 10:19:31 PM
What a demented sophist you are boy. ;D
TA,
Are you saying that the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are NOT indicated as being at the same temperature at c.a. 0:20 and 1:07?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 22, 2014, 10:18:07 PM
So, are we in agreement then that at c.a. 0:20 and 1:07 in the video, the magnet, its holding fixture, and the CRT all appear to be at the same temperature?
PW
I'm not in disagreement with you on this point.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 22, 2014, 10:33:31 PM
I'm not in disagreement with you on this point.
Gravock
So if we are to believe, as TA stated a few posts back regarding the tape on the magnet's surface, that the magnet is actually warmer than its surroundings, why is the magnet not indicated as being unusually or uniquely warm at ca 0:20 and 1:07?
Just beyond the time slots given, the heat from the FLIR camera itself is reflected off the shiny, mirror like surface of the neo and directed back towards the FLIR. In other words, the only time any unusual heat is observed from the magnet is when the FLIR camera can see a reflection of its own heat.
At 1:14, the tape applied to the magnet is less reflective than the magnet's surface so the FLIR camera cannot "see itself" in that area, hence no unique heat is seen in that area.
PW
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 22, 2014, 06:24:41 PM
If you all could stop the negative and just let go a bit all can work together to the greater good , you all have a lot of untapped talent and TA is a bit of a hot head but that will change he knows that but he has doe good with that magnet by videoing it and putting it up here and not hidden the facts but the formula is ??????? Also its time all the secrets of magnetism was held in one book and not in a hundred books ...
SO THE HOT MAGNET IS ?????????????
A BIG PROBLEM FOR GLOBAL WARMING ! THERE IS A RED ALERT IN OUR LACK OF KNOWLAGE ! ALL THE PLANETS IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM ARE ALSO HEATING UP NOT JUST OUR PLANET AND THE HOT MAGNET OPENS UP A WAY TO LEARN WHY THAT IS .........
WHAT IS THE COMMON KEY FORMULA THAT CONNECTS THAT TOGHTHER ?????? TRY A DARK MATTER SUPPER STRING !!! AND REPEAT THE FARADAY EXSPERIMENT FOR THE MAGNET !!! TO ALL WHO TRYS WILL ONLY BE REWARDED WITH TRUTH AND A LADDER TO CLIMB .......
ME
"AND REPEAT THE FARADAY EXSPERIMENT FOR THE MAGNET !!!" Faraday did more than one experiment for the magnet. Which specific one are you bringing to our attention?
CANGAS 65
Quote from: CANGAS on August 22, 2014, 10:57:29 PM
"AND REPEAT THE FARADAY EXSPERIMENT FOR THE MAGNET !!!"
Faraday did more than one experiment for the magnet. Which specific one are you bringing to our attention?
CANGAS 65
Hes insane, case you didnt know
Quote from: picowatt on August 22, 2014, 10:44:19 PM
So if we are to believe, as TA stated a few posts back regarding the tape on the magnet's surface, that the magnet is actually warmer than its surroundings, why is the magnet not indicated as being unusually or uniquely warm at ca 0:20 and 1:07?
Just beyond the time slots given, the heat from the FLIR camera itself is reflected off the shiny, mirror like surface of the neo and directed back towards the FLIR. In other words, the only time any unusual heat is observed from the magnet is when the FLIR camera can see a reflection of its own heat.
At 1:14, the tape applied to the magnet is less reflective than the magnet's surface so the FLIR camera cannot "see itself" in that area, hence no unique heat is seen in that area.
PW
I think the following proposed experiment can settle this issue. The charge field is already near-infrared, so it is the charge field that is transforming the local and input energy, which is the heat (IR) from the FLIR in this case. The LED bulb, has the claim of an efficiency of 200%. The number 200% is found by showing that the energy output is twice the electrical energy input. The heat is coming from the charge field. The LED bulb (http://milesmathis.com/led.pdf) is direct proof of Miles Mathis' charge theory. What I propose, is to introduce an LED bulb into the magnet/flir experiment.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 22, 2014, 11:28:29 PM
I think the following proposed experiment can settle this issue. The charge field is already near-infrared, so it is the charge field that is transforming the local and input energy, which is the heat (IR) from the FLIR in this case. The LED bulb, has the claim of an efficiency of 200%. The number 200% is found by showing that the energy output is twice the electrical energy input. The heat is coming from the charge field. The LED bulb (http://milesmathis.com/led.pdf) is direct proof of Miles Mathis' charge theory. What I propose, is to introduce an LED bulb into the magnet/flir experiment.
Gravock
GB,
LED's in general are not "200%" efficient. I believe you are referring to an MIT study wherein a very low bandgap voltage LED was operated at a very low voltage and current (while producing a very low output luminosity) and that it was observed that the picowatts of light emitted were greater than the picowatts of electrical power applied to the LED (and actually, I believe this was greater than 200%). It was determined that under these operating conditions, heat was actually being absorbed from the surrounding environment by the LED and ultimately converted to additional light output. It was also determined that while doing so, COE was not violated.
But I fail to see what this has to do with the heat from the FLIR camera reflecting off the mirror like face of the magnet.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 22, 2014, 11:54:28 PM
GB,
LED's in general are not "200%" efficient. I believe you are referring to an MIT study wherein a very low bandgap voltage LED was operated at a very low voltage and current (while producing a very low output luminosity) and that it was observed that the picowatts of light emitted were greater than the picowatts of electrical power applied to the LED (and actually, I believe this was greater than 200%). It was determined that under these operating conditions, heat was actually being absorbed from the surrounding environment by the LED and ultimately converted to additional light output. It was also determined that while doing so, COE was not violated.
But I fail to see what this has to do with the heat from the FLIR camera reflecting off the mirror like face of the magnet.
PW
You don't see how the magnet channels and radiates the heat coming from the FLIR?
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 22, 2014, 11:57:53 PM
You don't see how the magnet channels and radiates the heat from the FLIR?
Gravock
No. I see an optically imperfect surface simply reflecting the heat from the FLIR camera back towards the FLIR camera.
And again, at the time slots I gave, no remarkable heat from the magnet is indicated.
In all likelihood, TA knows this to be true. Surely by now he has duplicated the test using the bottom of a shiny stainless pot or by looking in a mirror using the FLIR at the same settings and similar ambient conditions.
PW
Quote from: gravityblock on August 22, 2014, 11:57:53 PM
You don't see how........
Gravock
mentally blind people cannot see anything. Which is why the ancients called it AVIJJA (un-seeing[vidya]). i.e. agnosis.
Quote from: picowatt on August 23, 2014, 12:12:40 AM
No. I see an optically imperfect surface simply reflecting the heat from the FLIR camera back towards the FLIR camera.
And again, at the time slots I gave, no remarkable heat from the magnet is indicated.
In all likelihood, TA knows this to be true. Surely by now he has duplicated the test using the bottom of a stainless pot or by looking in a mirror using the FLIR at the same settings and similar ambient conditions.
PW
There's no question about if the reflective surface is a factor or not. It is a factor, but not the only thing at play here.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 23, 2014, 12:15:48 AM
There's no question about if the reflective surface is a factor or not. It is a factor, but not the only thing at play here.
Gravock
Why dont you ask him how or why the
FLIR is flickering like a flame while no movement is going on. Reflectivity my ass.
ROFL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: picowatt on August 23, 2014, 12:12:40 AM
Surely by now he has duplicated the test using the bottom of a shiny stainless pot or by looking in a mirror using the FLIR at the same settings and similar ambient conditions.
PW
We both know the internal structure of a magnet is different from the internal structure of a stainless pot.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 23, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
We both know the internal structure of a magnet is different from the internal structure of a stainless pot. The former will show the charge field being tapped, and the latter will not.
Gravock
I don't believe that the "internal structure" of the magnet has anything to do with the reflected heat observed. Aiming the FLIR so that the plane of its detector is parallel to any fairly planar surface of similar reflectivity, with the FLIR settings and ambient conditions similar to those used during the FLIR video, would demonstrate the same reflected heat from the FLIR. In other words, if the FLIR can "see itself" in the reflective surface, its emitted heat will be observed.
And again, TA stated that the magnet itself was warmer than its surroundings, which is not at all evident at the time stamps I cited.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 23, 2014, 12:35:53 AM
I don't believe that the "internal structure" of the magnet has anything to do with the reflected heat observed. Aiming the FLIR so that the plane of its detector is parallel to any fairly planar surface of similar reflectivity, with the FLIR settings and ambient conditions similar to those used during the FLIR video, would demonstrate the same reflected heat from the FLIR. In other words, if the FLIR can "see itself" in the reflective surface, its emitted heat will be observed.
And again, TA stated that the magnet itself was warmer than its surroundings, which is not at all evident at the time stamps I cited.
PW
The magnet became warmer due to it recycling the charge field (heat) coming from the FLIR. Notice how the heat is concentrated and radiated in specific areas of the magnet more than other regions of the magnet.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 23, 2014, 12:38:45 AM
The magnet became warmer due to it recycling the charge field (heat) coming from the FLIR.
Gravock
So you would rather believe that the large thermal mass of the magnet, in but an instant, suddenly flared to a higher temperature as soon as the FLIR could see its reflection, and then just as rapidly, the magnet returned to its quiescent temperature as soon as the FLIR could no longer see its reflection?
PW
Identification and Suppression of Thermal Reflections in Infrared Thermal Imaging
M. Vollmer, S. Henke, D. Karstädt, K.-P. Möllmann, and F. Pinno
University of Applied Sciences, Brandenburg
ABSTRACT
Thermal reflections are a common source of problems in interpreting infrared (IR) thermal images. In particular,
atomically smooth surfaces like glass, metals, or wet surfaces, and also brick and concrete, may easily give rise to
reflections of infrared radiation from often uncared sources. If unnoticed, these thermal reflections may give rise to
misinterpretations of the object temperature. After analyzing the differences between object IR radiation and thermal
reflections theoretically, possibilities to suppress or at least identify such reflections by use of IR polarizers are discussed.
Theoretical predictions and experimental results are very promising.
http://www.aikencolon.com/assets/images/FLIR/iseries/pdfs/Idustrial-Mechanical-iseries/2004-05420Vollmer_FINAL.pdf
Attached Picture: An oxidized old brass plate with a lot of surface roughness in the 1μm scale or below is scattering
light diffusely for visible light, but at least in part specularly for thermal IR radiation of λ≈ 10μm.
The new LED bulb taps the Charge Field (http://milesmathis.com/led.pdf)
Gravock
The electrically powered LED heat pump research is at the microWatt level. It may be just a tad misleading to show a picture of a ~40W LED beneath the headline.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 22, 2014, 09:03:18 PM
Yes, and the publication I referenced on the helical helix orbit of the solar system, also confirms how the sun moves helically on its own orbit around the Star of Polaris (snapshot of page 150, as shown in the pdf).
Gravock
Yes indeed! The Sun moves on a helical path around the helical path of the Polaris, and I accentuate the word path intentionally to differentiate from the word orbit, because the heliocentric model is not the same as helical model at all! While one is a static, closed and limited model, the other one is dynamic, open and unlimited! Just as the potential ways of thinking and interpretation of people! Nothing new under Sun, just "as above so bellow"!
- a quote from page 17 from the same book.
SaDAng
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Quote from: picowatt on August 23, 2014, 12:12:40 AM
No. I see an optically imperfect surface simply reflecting the heat from the FLIR camera back towards the FLIR camera.
And again, at the time slots I gave, no remarkable heat from the magnet is indicated.
In all likelihood, TA knows this to be true. Surely by now he has duplicated the test using the bottom of a shiny stainless pot or by looking in a mirror using the FLIR at the same settings and similar ambient conditions.
PW
Now why would he ever do something like that? That would be a _true experiment_ with the potential to falsify his hypothesis and beyond that his entire thesis. But we already know two important things about Kenny-boy Wheeler: He fabricates data, and he only performs demonstrations that he can interpret to support his thesis, never true experiments.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 23, 2014, 05:34:20 AM
his entire thesis
strawman fallacy asshole.
The entire thesis stands as is,
WITHOUT any FLIR analysis. Now go polish your knob, you drunken Aussie tosser.
Make another toy truck wheel on a stick video for us. ;D
why dont you explain the white light along the dielectric inertial plane for us, wanka.
Clueless rube.
Surely youre the demon seed that the British left to rot in Australia long ago, the criminal elements that Australia was meant for , the insane, degenerates, the criminally minded human refuse.
Your videos remind me of some the redneck shit would make like I saw living in Coober Pedy OZ ;D
Quote from: picowatt on August 23, 2014, 12:12:40 AM
No. I see an optically imperfect surface simply reflecting the heat from the FLIR camera back towards the FLIR camera.
PW
So, according to you, there's an optical feedback loop in the flir/magnet video, as shown in the two videos below? TA, you're going to love this!
Optical Feedback loop leads to self organization (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7rEvAbpKos)
Space-Time Dynamics in Video Feedback (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Kn3djJMCE)
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 23, 2014, 08:56:24 AM
So, according to you, there's an optical feedback loop in the flir/magnet video, as shown in the two videos below? TA, you're going to love this!
Optical Feedback loop leads to self organization (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7rEvAbpKos)
Space-Time Dynamics in Video Feedback (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Kn3djJMCE)
Gravock
Ohh yaaaah, Ive got a book about that topic, its here:
http://www.amazon.com/Am-Strange-Loop-Douglas-Hofstadter/dp/0465030793
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 23, 2014, 05:57:53 AM
strawman fallacy asshole.
The entire thesis stands as is, WITHOUT any FLIR analysis.
Now go polish your knob, you drunken Aussie tosser.
Make another toy truck wheel on a stick video for us. ;D
why dont you explain the white light along the dielectric inertial plane for us, wanka.
Clueless rube. Surely youre the demon seed that the British left to rot in Australia long ago, the criminal elements that Australia was meant for , the insane, degenerates, the criminally minded human refuse.
Your videos remind me of some the redneck shit would make like I saw living in Coober Pedy OZ ;D
You love to display your ignorance don't you! There are dozens of people reading this and laughing at you, baby, for your unfounded assertions, your idiotic insults and your utter lack of fact-checking.
You forgot the most important part of my quote, Kenny-poo.
QuoteBut we already know two important things about Kenny-boy Wheeler: He fabricates data, and he only performs demonstrations that he can interpret to support his thesis, never true experiments.
And I guess you didn't read the paper linked up above on specular FLIR reflections from surfaces that look rough and non-reflective under visible light. I did, though. And until YOU show that YOUR reported "results" are NOT due to some factor like that, your report is just so much hand-waving garbage, because you have not ruled out alternative explanations AS ANY SMART EIGHTH GRADE CHILD would do for her science fair project. Nobody else is going to do YOUR HOMEWORK for you, Kenny child.
QuoteMake another toy truck wheel on a stick video for us. (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=48cd3b652a891d74b4b4ef746db528263b551e0c)
No... why don't YOU make another "Million Volt Tesla Coil" video for US !
GRAVITY BLOCK THAT SIR IS VERY GOOD WORK THANK YOU
But there is no dark matter in that system and one could expect that dark matter is what is the driving main force and magnetism the weak force with gravity at a constant EQ unless something very big has entered our solar system say a planet X but we know that planet x is not there ! Also a dark matter super string must be considered as it is what keeps the galaxy together and we also must except that even the electron is trapped by that string ! The module you have presented is correct but is not the final construct !
A black hole will have mass waiting to drop into its core singularity and one could also expect that that is a quantize action and if so we could be now at a point where a flush of mass has dropped into the event horizon tightening up a supper string and charging all the cores of the planets ! Please up load all Plant x data but exclude the planet x for now ....
Also if we were to isolate a super string this is a good time to do it !!!! The faraday experiment to see if electrical charge exists on the edge of a magnet came in as zero ! But that now may be different and also if faraday had a neo magnet would the result also be zero I suspect so ......
We are now homing in on the hot magnet but TA is lost in he's theory which is a real concern if we want a solid chance to isolate a super string effect on the neo magnetic ... Also we don't yet have a constant observation of the event horizon from our 2 black holes in our galactic centre which is a real worry !!!
The only way is to isolate the superstring and keep watch on the entropy gain on the neo magnetic .... Our planet is in great danger of a quick heat death !!!!! TA must do the right thing or we must intervene and do it right ! Also crystal dust may bend a super string and if so we could save our planet from a quick heat death syndrome ...
great work Mr gravity now block the super string ! Think it through and get the planet x data ect asap !
REGARDS
93RD
Quote from: gravityblock on August 23, 2014, 08:56:24 AM
So, according to you, there's an optical feedback loop in the flir/magnet video, as shown in the two videos below? TA, you're going to love this!
Optical Feedback loop leads to self organization (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7rEvAbpKos)
Space-Time Dynamics in Video Feedback (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Kn3djJMCE)
Gravock
No. Not according to me...
I never mentioned or inferred "an optical feedback loop", nor do I see any such mechanism occurring in the FLIR video.
However, if you believe you see evidence of an "optical feedback loop" in the FLIR video, please provide a time stamp...
PW
You guys have a chance to do something that is truly important but it seems the only thing your interested in is throwing your shit around hoping it will stick ! Its a fucking hot magnet now go and do one for your self or fuck off out of here ... melt some ice ! TA YOU CANT HELP IT CAN YOU AND THEY KNOW IT SO YOUR AN EASY TARGET JUST IGNOR THE SHIT TALK GET ON WITH THE SCIENCE DO THE ENTROPY TEST OR THE SHIT WILL START TO STICK AND STINK ...
The British by the way sent the religious nut jobs to America and the criminals to Australia but 9 out of ten of them were innocent ! I have been doing a check on your root heritage it seems that madness was the main reason why you ended up in America ! Apparently your long lost uncle Sam was kidnaped by the natives and eaten ALIVE looks like you are going to follow in he's foot steeps if you get the entropy test experiment wrong ...
Stop picking on the British they did not exist in those days ! THE MOTHER LAND IS ENGLAND SON ! I AM ONE OF THE SONS OF RICHARD ! THE LION HART ! AND IF YOU DONT DO THAT ENTROPY EXSPERIMENT MY SWORD WILL BE SHOVED RIGHT UP YOUR AND THAN DOWN YOUR WITH THE LAST OF YOU CUT IN TWO AND FEED TO PIGS HERE WAITING FOR A RAW FOOD DINNER .........
EVERYONE FOLLW THE EXAMPLE OF GRAVITY BLOCK AND MESSURE YOUR OWN HEAT SIGNAL ON YOUR MAGNETS ..... BRING THEM FORWARD !!!
RD93
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 23, 2014, 10:40:16 AM
There are dozens of people reading this and laughing at you, baby,
if I didnt insult mindless gutter trash like you, I wouldnt be doing my job right son. Anyone who is all things to all people is nothing to nobody.
I hope they are, otherwise I would be worried son.
To insult a fool is the praise of wisdom
"The wise love hiim for the same reason the fools hate him. Always feel proud to be hated and loathed by the vile and ignorant" - Damascius.
Go seek wisdom my little rodent. ;D
OK THIS IS GOING TO GET VERY FUNNY ! I JUST SENT A REQUEST TO A LOCAL DRAMA SCHOOL FOR A GUNNY PLAY ! THEY ARE NOW GOING THROUGH THIS THREAD AND WILL RE INACT OUT THE BASICS OF ONLY THE SHIT THST YOU GUYS KEEP COMING UP WITH ... The play is called the last days of planet x ! In simple terms our planet is facing an unknown set of phenomena's all of witch this thread was has been appointed to discuss and make a final press release as to the reality of the so called planet x and the fact that all planets in our solar system are heating up with no real known cause ..
The name of the play is called
fuck it
So you see all your are going to do is completely fuck it all up into a heap of insults lies vomit and a little bit of science ! I promise you all ! you will become very famous as the biggest bunch of idiots ever to live in the name of science ! Know doubt the majority here are from the USA and they now represent the finest from there country a perfect example of synthetic make believe mumbo jumbo ! There will be some edits from the so called planet x call for let all do a runner and a daily watch from the Yellowstone nightwear now starting to grow its ugly head ..
This will be the last of western hummer so make it very very funny AS INSULTING AS YOU CAN PLEASE !!! THE SICKER THE BETTER !! NO POINT IN TRYING TO HARD ON THE SCIENCE BIT AS IT WILL BECOME TO DAM FUNNY HAHAHAH SO THE WORLD IS GOING TO END AND THE ONLY HOPE IS IF WE FEED YELLOWSTONE LIVE HUMAN SACRFICES !
As the so called hot magnet effect its just a demon in a magnetic routine just give it a rub and out pops an evil man eating demon so make sure you all have to play with hahahah I am not joking I am for real ... hahahahahah this is why the play is called fuck it hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahhahahhahahahah
Please do not fuck a demon at home do it live here hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
lol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
me
IMPORTANT MESSAGE
Now you lot thanks for the silence you need to think it through ! I have 120 hot neo magnets just under body temperature as a good average but that's 10c above the room temperature ! I am in north London and expect you guys will have a slightly hotter reading because you are closer to the monster Yellowstone ! Its number is 666 000 ok ! That's the metaphysical date for the big day but the reality of global and planetary warming in the solar system indicates the big day is now much closer than we thought ...
Dot keep coming here attacking the TA result unless your magnet is cold and confirmed as such its to dam important to be right ! Also as you are mostly talkers not tinkers make you observations real and bring them here don't hide them !
KEEP IT CLEAN
! Or the administrator will remove you !
TRUTH IS THE EYE OF THE STORM
REGARDS
ALPHA OMEGA
UNITL WE UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH PLANET X IS NOW BACK AS A POSSIBILITY TO THE ROOT OF THE HOT MAGNET
IT IS NOW UP TO ALL HERE TO HIT THE PLANET X POSIBILITY BACK OUT OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM
BY PROJECT ORANGE
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 23, 2014, 01:50:13 PM
if I didnt insult mindless gutter trash like you, I wouldnt be doing my job right son. Anyone who is all things to all people is nothing to nobody.
I hope they are, otherwise I would be worried son.
To insult a fool is the praise of wisdom
"The wise love hiim for the same reason the fools hate him. Always feel proud to be hated and loathed by the vile and ignorant" - Damascius.
Go seek wisdom my little rodent. ;D
You missed it again, Kenny-poo. You are so eager to demonstrate your facile skill at insulting, that you ignore the most important part of my statement that you keep quoting, which I will repeat AGAIN:
QuoteBut we already know two important things about Kenny-boy Wheeler: He fabricates data, and he only performs demonstrations that he can interpret to support his thesis, never true experiments.
And Kenny why is it that you see a partial reflection in a pane of glass? What about the attached graphic, what is it?
Fields fields fields fields fields waves waves waves waves waves... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :P
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 23, 2014, 03:43:40 PM
: He fabricates data, and he only performs demonstrations that he can interpret to support his thesis, never true experiments.
strawman fallacy asshole.
I cannot fabricate or edit FLIR VIDEO ;D ;D ;D ;D
I do know how to cut video, or add titles, but I have no FINAL CUT PRO skills to edit video, much less FLIR video
nice try (not really) asshole, but that doesnt fly.
"true experiments" , what like your truck tire on a stick video ? ROFL :o ;D ;D ;D
pedal your ass down the road
bottom image is shot thru 1" of optical glass AND a piece of black paper (ferrocell backing).
explain that FLIR shot, prick. NO CHANCE.
There is string at last now your talking my language its all string everything its how the unified field is constructed and is soon to be the grand unified field a complete understanding of everything ! But you again have not added space and time between each pulse ! iT CAN NEVER BE CORRECT WITH OUT SPACE AND TIME KENNY MY LITTLE FIRE CRACKER ! HAHAHA YOUR A BIT O D ON THE VERBAL VD SON .
I AM MELTING ICE HAHAHAH AND HAVE FOUND A POLORISED DIELECTRIC AC FIELD ON AN 8.5 INCH FERRITE MAGNETIC ! YOUR LOSING YOUR GRIP ITS GETTING AWAY SON HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
NOW WE CAN FINALY TALK SCIENCE IF THERE IS NO STRING ITS MUMBO BIMBO JUMBO .... AND IF THERE IS NO SPACE AND TIME ITS JUST MUMBO JUMBO !!! SON !!!
The photon string as we say here in the UK has space and time between each event and the photon is quantum leaping between each event ! You must always include the old school but add the string and the quantum leap ! Your nearly there ! And the particle is there to as you say a pulse I don't care what you call it to me its a particle ... IS IT MOVING ! NO ! ITS LEAPING HOPPING JUMPING IN AND OUT IN AND OUT IN AND OUT ! EVERYTHING IS STRING BUT ALSO EVERYTHING MUST HAVE A HOLE IN IT ....
IF IT DID MOVE THAN IT WOULD PASS THE LIGHT SPEED TIME LIMIT !!! THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO SLOW IT DOWN ... This is the proof for a universe of holes and with the photon the fabric of space is opening and closing opening and closing a photon pump ...... The dielectric is stable just like a good wave always is !
SIMPLE
THE DEMON DOES THE SAME THING BUT MUCH SLOWER TO ENTRE OUR DIMENTION ! ITS TIME KENNY TO FINISH THE ENTROPY TEST EXSPERIMENT AND CONCLUDE THE JOB OR YOUR ABILITY TO DO REAL SCIENCE WILL BE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EMPTY SPACE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
YOU JUST NEED ONE MAGNATISED ONE UN MAGNATISED ONE ON ICE ONE ON NOTHING OR YOUR RESULT WILL NEVER BE EXCEPTED AS REAL BECAUSE IT SHOULD NOT BE THERE !HEAT IS RADIATION AND ALL RADIATION HATES A MAGNETIC FIELD .....................................FACT NOT FICTION SO WHY IS THE MAGNETS GETTING HOT AND CHARGED UP ????????WHY NOW AND NOT WHEN FARADAY WAS HERE ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
REGARDS
REALITY CHECK
! THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE ARE NO DIFFRENT THAM THE LAWS THAT GOVERN THE WAY THE HUMAN BODY WORKS !
You breath in and out in and out the food goes in and out in and out you drink and sweat ok ! The digestive system is just like your picture of a string of photons its no different and the particles go into tiny holes to feed the body and the spent toxins come out of the body ! Each cell is no different than an engine ! NOW THE HARMONICS ALONG THE STRING ! ALL STRINGS HAVE NOTES AND HARMONICS !
I play in the rainbow galactic orchestra and sometimes we experiment with the spheres or space and time gates where you will hear the sound of other instruments playing that are not in the space we are in
its a bit of magic in the string ! A fifth note scale in major and minor depending on the harmonic of the venue we are in ... very spooky but wow its beauty is truly astonishing and always in perfect harmony with what we are playing ....
TIME TO EXSPERIMENT WITH
THE
5TH DIMENTION
LETS GET SOME MAGIC IN HERE ASAP
AND MAKE A MIRACLE
93RD
From Anonymous:
TRY THIS
Its my day job
where are the holes
Very interesting thread...Theoria what is your opinion about this theory "galaxy clock".....
http://youtu.be/tnFp7OZmBkQ?t=22m25s
Quote from: joel321 on August 23, 2014, 09:59:39 PM
Very interesting thread...Theoria what is your opinion about this theory "galaxy clock".....
http://youtu.be/tnFp7OZmBkQ?t=22m25s
Very interesting video, his centripetal "gravity/ galaxy clock" is explicative of centripetal inertia (all inertia force-centripetal).
I have no comment on his other theories of black holes, other than Stephen Crothers has dismissed their existence.
We need to return to the genuine science of Faraday, Maxwell, Heaviside, Tesla.
Einstein and Quantum bullshit has taken a giant dump on the minds humanity for far too long. Its pure insanity.
Thnxs man...i'm not an expert about magnetism at all but it is very mysterious and intriguing. I've been following your thread cus it's eye opening. I'm also interested in UFO's....the UFO's seem to bend the rules of gravity in many videos....anyways.
Example....
http://youtu.be/yjLJg5ZWWN8?t=1m50s
Thanks for sharing your thoughts though. There's a lot still to be discovered. Peace.
Fields, fields, fields, bla bla blah.
"During October, 1971, four cesium atomic beam clocks were flown on regularly scheduled commercial jet flights around the world twice, once eastward and once westward, to test Einstein's theory of relativity with macroscopic clocks. From the actual flight paths of each trip, the theory predicted that the flying clocks, compared with reference clocks at the U.S. Naval Observatory, should have lost 40+/-23 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and should have gained 275+/-21 nanoseconds during the westward trip ... Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors are the corresponding standard deviations. These results provide an unambiguous empirical resolution of the famous clock "paradox" with macroscopic clocks."
J.C. Hafele and R. E. Keating, Science 177, 166 (1972)
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html)
The published outcome of the experiment was consistent with special and general relativity. The observed time gains and losses were different from zero to a high degree of confidence, and were in agreement with relativistic predictions to within the ~10% precision of the experiment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele%E2%80%93Keating_experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele%E2%80%93Keating_experiment)
Now, scientists have shown this time difference in action on the smallest scales yet (http://www.nist.gov/physlab/div847/aluminum-atomic-clock_092310.cfm) — clocks move at different speeds on a staircase.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-09/superaccurate-clocks-prove-your-head-older-your-feet (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-09/superaccurate-clocks-prove-your-head-older-your-feet)
I put instant coffee in a microwave oven and almost went backwards in time. - Steven Wright
A reenactment of the original experiment by the NPL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Physical_Laboratory_%28United_Kingdom%29) took place in 1996 on the 25th anniversary of the original experiment, using more precise atomic clocks during a flight from London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London) to Washington, D.C. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.) and back again. The results were verified to a higher degree of accuracy. A time gain of 39 ± 2 ns was observed, compared to a relativistic prediction of 39.8 ns.[5] In June 2010, NPL again repeated the experiment, this time around the globe (London - Los Angeles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles) - Auckland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auckland) - Hongkong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongkong) - London). The predicted value was 246 ± 3 ns, the measured value 230 ± 20 ns.[6]
Quote from: joel321 on August 23, 2014, 10:38:43 PM
Thnxs man...i'm not an expert about magnetism at all but it is very mysterious and intriguing
Mid Sept. I will have the 3rd edition of the book out, with a LOT more materials, however there is SO MUCH to add, Im leaving the "heavy stuff" (also time constraints) for the 4th edition.
There is lots of stuff unmentioned iN THIS THREAD that will be in the 3rd edition that will shock some people.
Wonderful things. Those who have seen those bits from the 3rd edition have been amazed and pleased. ;)
Quote from: MileHigh on August 23, 2014, 10:42:01 PM
Fields, fields, fields, bla bla blah.
"During October, 1971, four cesium atomic beam clocks were flown on regularly scheduled commercial jet flights
HAAA
AHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH !~~~~!!!!
i know all about that experiment,
get PREPARED TO HAVE YOUR ASS KICKED
YEAH, youre screwed on that "point" my bitch.
@TA looking forward to it, peace man. 8)
Now to go scare myself with more alien videos meanwhile lol
I see. So subatomic particles DO exist, and they DO NOT exist, depending on whether Kenny-baby needs them to, or not, to support one or another of his crazy contentions.
Glad we got that cleared up. Now let's see how Jefimenko explains the relativistic corrections that GPS satellites must apply in order to remain in synch.
Oh... that's right.... he died, and can't explain anything any more. Meanwhile the application of Relativity to practical problems still produces the correct answers.
http://oldstupac2.blogspot.com/2007/04/bizarre-and-intriguing-story-of-oleg.html
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 24, 2014, 12:26:27 AM
Now let's see how Jefimenko explains the relativistic corrections that GPS satellites must apply in order to remain in synch.
Brain dead rodent. ;D Thats still a velocity dependent correction based upon velocity-dependent inductive variances.
Relativity produces nothing.
Everything youre using in your home, your computer, your TV, you braindead gutter trash mental midget, is based up MAXWELL, FARADAY, STEINMETZ, TESLA, AND HEAVISIDE.
Poor deluded piece of trash.
the clock from the GPS satellites must be known to an accuracy of 20-30 nanoseconds. However, because the satellites are constantly moving relative to observers on the Earth, effects of velocity dependent induction correction to achieve the desired 20-30 nanosecond accuracy. Still a Velocity-induction correction, MORONIC ASSHOLE ;D ;D ;D ;D
When the internet is full of works against Einstein is totally useless this battle here about the relativity! The relativity is only available in an empty space ideology, in a closed system, in a very polarized reality! It is just a stupid joke of the actual rulers of the world! Take a look:
- 2005 - Sid Deutsch - Einsteins Greatest Mistake - Abandonement of Aether (http://www.mediafire.com/view/zf21729b7go6b2u/Deutsch.pdf)
- 1969 - Harold Aspden - Physics without Einstein (http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/P22.pdf)
- 2006 - Christopher Jon Bjerknes - The Manufacture and Sale of Saint Einstein (http://www.ivantic.net/Ostale_knjiige/SaintEinstein.pdf)
- 2005 - Harold Aspden - Tesla versus Einstein (http://www.haroldaspden.com/research-papers/2005arp5%20Tesla%20versus%20Einstein.pdf)
- 2010 - Marc J. Seifer - Tesla versus Einstein (http://www.scribd.com/doc/81913149/Tesla-vs-Einstein)
Note:
Now they works... just a wrong pair of double quotes!
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on August 24, 2014, 02:57:14 AM
When the internet is full of works against Einstein is totally useless this battle here about the relativity! The relativity is only available in an empty space ideology, in a closed system, in a very polarized reality! It is just a stupid joke of the actual rulers of the world! Take a look:
- 1969 - Harold Aspden - Physics without Einstein (http://"http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/P22.pdf")
- 2005 - Sid Deutsch - Einsteins Greatest Mistake - Abandonement of Aether (http://"http://www.mediafire.com/view/zf21729b7go6b2u/Deutsch.pdf")
- 2005 - Harold Aspden - Tesla versus Einstein (http://"http://www.haroldaspden.com/research-papers/2005arp5%20Tesla%20versus%20Einstein.pdf")
- 2006 - Christopher Jon Bjerknes - The Manufacture and Sale of Saint Einstein (http://"http://www.ivantic.net/Ostale_knjiige/SaintEinstein.pdf")
- 2010 - Marc J. Seifer - Tesla versus Einstein (http://"http://www.scribd.com/doc/81913149/Tesla-vs-Einstein")
or try find others by yourself!
SaDAng
Dead links.
CANGAS 66
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 20, 2014, 03:47:27 PM
For the first time this thread is alive keep that focus a momentum like a waves in a canal than send another wave in the oncoming direction when they meet they form a P wave and pass through each other with no loss in energy ! Fluctuation energy is made this way its also a very important part of string theory ! Dark matter is what holds the universe together it is a string and this string is connected to everything and I mean everything !
Fields do exist or the grass would not be there and the cow is no different than a dynamo, as eats it will produce milk if it is the female cow ! A male cow plays a different role in the field and that cow is fixed in TAs mind so TA is right and wrong ......
To many theories and not enough cows make very little milk ! And to may names for the term milk or string or field one must step aside from the mud that flow as deep as the grass is green ! What does it mean that everything is connected together ? every thought every action every reaction time space hot cold north south left right up down in out far near deep shallow and so on and so on ! Some worlds that exist and the intelligence there can listen to and see this world but we can not see or hear there world . Its always a balance there are no dead ends !
The photon when entering the double slit experiment will produce an abundance of extra photons but that is the way we measure it yet in fact some of these photons are quantum leaping and entering the time gate and reverse back in time at the same time as they entre the time gate ! The problem it gave opened the door to many dam stupid new theories for mass and I can see where TA is now a little lost at the time gate and has take some of these theories as reality and made he's module of mass and energy on there now debunked non reality !
Some of these theories are rather convincing written by the non appointed and published in there hundreds ! Be a wear throw them in the bin and stick to the old school discipline and never again lose sight of the periodic table or particle mass reality ! The time gate is now firmly open we can travel through it into the past and into the future except it and format it as a solid rock of reality one you must respect or for ever you will be lost in the woods surrounded by fields of grass you can no longer see ...
I will challenge this thread to experiment with the time gate ! AND HUMAN TO ALIEN COMMUNICATION ! Also remember time and space are the same thing you can never have one with out the other like a double sided coin so set up and experiment where we can use this time gate to cross the bounders of space and time without the computer . Dream time is a good place to start and I have a time gate head set photon transporter I would require at least one other to build one the same as mine ..... Trust me it works if you do it right ! The interesting thing is its good to practice with lottery numbers hahahahahahha
But we entre an agreement to make good with our winnings and never get greedy ! There is such beings as time lords and other unknowns ! We always must have a good reason to work with the time gate its not a toy ! But can be put to good use to save many lives, I will never travel without one !!!
TA your energy has shifted mmmmmmmmm keep it that way try your best to know that the path in the woods is there to keep you safe and grounded !!!!!! Say hello to the cows in the field they fill you have rejected and neglected them hahahah lol and think .............................than build .............than experiment .......do it again and again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone one know how to speak ALIEN ?????
ME
Gort! Klaatu barada nikto!
"There's hope for the Earth, if the scientists can be reached."
A rather highly optimistic attitude I think. Perhaps others need to be reached also.
CANGAS 67
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/may/07/scientists-prove-einstein-right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_special_relativity
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html
http://jcconwell.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/this-first-observational-proof-of-general-relativity/
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980327b.html
Etc etc etc. And these are not speculations from crackpots either. Again... one can engineer and make successful predictions with this consistent model of reality. It makes testable predictions that turn out to be correct, it successfully describes and can be used to control reality. Hold your breath and turn blue, stomp your feet and whine all you like, Kenny baby. Poor widdle ums just can't change the facts to suit himsewf. Awww...... I think it's time to put Kenny baby down for his nap, he gets all cranky when he's refuted, which is happening more and more lately.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 24, 2014, 07:33:25 AM
Etc etc etc. And these are not speculations from crackpots either.
Actually asshole, Tesla delineated gravitational lensing without even seeing it. Its due to dielectric centripetal bending of light.
It proves JUST THE OPPOSITE of relativity. It proves Tesla, Faraday, and Steinmetz correct.
Glad you brought that up boy. Thanks for giving credit to Tesla.
Also proves my theory of light,
thanks for the intro asshole.
KENNY YOUR THEORY OF LIGHT IS EMPTY IT NEDDS HARMONICS SON ! You have only just started to include strings now you need to go and learn what a string is ! You have a long way to go but better late than never ! I will be putting up some of my work from my book the quantum mechanics tool kit ! Get ready for special interstellar harmonic super strings ! Time warp photonic response ! Learn to play the piano son its all in the 5th note harmonic along the string of light .....
regards 93rd
Thank you cangass optimism is the food of inspiration and from which all knowledge is found ! To many here get tied up along the same thing and keep repeating it from one phrase to another ???? They need optimism to go beyond the present text to a higher plain of thought . Kenny here tends to hammer he's book into the wood he will need to publish it hahah But for me its all about building technology ,I wrote my book called the quantum mechanics tool kit and now use it to build all my technology with ...
Kenny please stop writing the same old book its about time you built something that has a particle use to it hahah To much data and no building is very boring !!!! What is the point in data if you don't have a use for it ???? Its like buying to much food it just ends up rotting !
We need to build and plan and build share and co create the functions of our new reality into tolls that will change the world , We must get passed the one self point of view and build a solid bridge ! That is true cooperation and fulfilment empowerment and is what is required from our new science ..
It is here and now that we stand so Kenny no more data bombs let the talking begin !!!! Put your book in the book shop if want it we will buy it !!! Stop shovelling it down my throat I can eat it any more !! Its not complete and there for not ready to eat !! cook it with harmonics and stop hammering it or it will die ..............................................................................
No book of magnetics is complete without the either bubble ! I have the either bubble !
Regards
93rd
I will now present the meaning and purpose of light by its harmonic construct held by the four corners of the universe that are in a 4 note harmonic event sent forth from the 4th second of the imperial birth, of all that is .. You will discover that light is the string that opens the void and permits the expansion and growth of the vacuum that is space .. The connection is tied to all strings within every galaxy and every galaxy is tied by these strings to each other with the final connections held out and firmly connected to the edge of the universe .. The curtain of space opens forming the void that is the vacuum and this in turn floods space with bosons which set up the path of negative residence allowing for neutrinos to function there position at an oscillation above the standard speed of light .
Light is complex yet it is seen as a simple string but within and around it are formations of the harmonic response that all strings emit even light it self requires the laws of harmonics to co exist within the vacuum and there for the cosmic octave is born ! This octave was first confirmed by the Hubble tuning fork a toll of immense importance so much so that the cosmological principle it self hangs between the void of its understanding and discovery ..
We will never travel beyond our galaxy without the reward of this knowledge that no longer need debate , one can only measure the length of the harmonic at the point just before you begin to travel along its path ! Each Earth Planet is also connected by the harmonic of universal harmony and it is with this we can locate with total precision the suns that hold all earth planets in there elliptical plain ! If you thought the universe has no plan you are wrong if you thought it would be impossible to know where all the earth are you would be wrong if you thought only chaos exists and by some stroke of luck we are here you will be wrong ..
There will be soon a day when all earth planets will finally connect and streams of information will flow between them and soon after the first teleportation of the photonic harmonic will be made and than mass it self will flow between them with no limits of time or space or resistance to hold down the darkness between the life we share ! I f you place limits on ability and constraints on the meta quantum it would be like tying your body and mind up with balls and chains and jumping into the deep blue sea .
To who it may concern I the 93rd element of the periodic will confirm the technology and the harmonic programme to make such thing possible ! For as one bold monkey like my self requires another to be the receiver of such reality only to confirm the matrix in harmonic response as true as it is day and night ! Behold for I am the omega the alpha the beginning the end and then there was light that brought man into reality so make no mistake as to the abilities of such truth ! To who it concerns let him hear what the spirit has to say write it down and build it solid and real and present it to all that are ready to measure all that is without meaningless debate or the utter carnage of mindless nonsense that is far to superfluous among the minds that limit truth over reality only to hear there thoughts like bells ring out of tune with the cosmic octave !
I challenge all humanity
To find all humanity
ASAP
REGARDS
93RD
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 24, 2014, 07:47:59 AM
Actually asshole, Tesla delineated gravitational lensing without even seeing it. Its due to dielectric centripetal bending of light.
It proves JUST THE OPPOSITE of relativity. It proves Tesla, Faraday, and Steinmetz correct.
Glad you brought that up boy. Thanks for giving credit to Tesla.
Also proves my theory of light,
thanks for the intro asshole.
Several scientists predicted the deflection of light by gravity as early as 1874 based on Newtonian gravity.
However, Einstein calculated and predicted the CORRECT amount of deflection in 1915 using his General Relativity.
This has since been measured many times with increasing degrees of precision and Einstein's calculations using GR have been determined to be correct.
PW
Why does Kenny think Einstein IS AN IDIOT ????? Kenny cant do maths hahahahaha Your theory of light is empty without harmonics ! You fear it in the same way you fear the entropy test experiment on the magnet which I have now concluded ! The thing here is a lack of attention to detail that is something Einstein was abundant with . He never left the void without adding something to it that could be calculated in a factual way . Einstein would never stop at a heat signal and proclaim it as just a picture he would finish the job in the same way I have done ... Than he would carefully consider the facts and publish them . He would not stick picture on a tree and hit everyone on the head who happens to walk by with he's book call them scum and insult there grandmother ! Kenny even though I respect your driller killer instinct and your head for pretty pictures you must try and take a leaf out of the book of Einstein and follow he's example ! Do things the right way and you will be considered a man of truth ,there is still a chance for you its just that apatite for all things insulting that is a ball and chain that in the end will drown you ...
You could be an inspiration to millions of children or the biggest mistake that a child could ever encounter one that you must again consider in the deepest depths of the dark spot that is hidden in your mind ! Let go of the abuse and always say to your enemy's with due respect I consider you wrong ! That's all you have to say !
So you think you know light do you mmmmmmmmmm and you are a bit stuck with harmonic photonic response a term you have only just encountered and one you will in the end assimilate into your theory ! But when you have had enough of theories it will become the end conclusion !
A very simple example of the influence you may have on children in the future who may study this thread would go a bit like this !!! Little Johnny went to school and found a book called mumbo jumbo and the magnetic vortex which is a book I am now writing about you ! hahhahahaha ! FOR REAL !!! HAHAHAHHAH
Little Johnny found this book hidden in the black box where he's teacher hides all the bad influence he does not want he's class to have but little Johnny is very naughty and will stop at nothing to be bad ,,,, ahahha ! He ran home to read the book and in the next morning went to school after calling he's mum
A fucking idiot and told her its he's job to attack everyone he encounters and that he's scum of a father needs a magnet shoved up he's arse for fucking her in the first place .... hahaha do you see my point Kenny ?????? It gets even worse Little Johnny print up a 1000 copies of the book and gives them away to all he's friends !
Before you know it they make a full scale version of Einstein dress up as the Hitler youth and build a gas chamber than wear one of the gas masks you had used in one of your mad pictures and throw Einstein into a magnetic oven and pumped in a deadly version of either gas and ignited it with your tesla coil !
They than made a magnet image of you and began to pray to your image and vowed to kill all the people who love Christ and burnt a flag of Christ in your name as you have done here by words of dogma you wrote to describe the purity of the Christ .. They then made flying saucers and destroyed every school in the USA and imposed marshal law and attacked the image of the Queen of England and promptly murdered everyone in Australia by means of force feeding them your book ..... This is only the beginning of the effects you will have if you keep up this disgusting track record of sickening abuse and attack of them like Einstein and the simple people of the world who refuse to obey to your new world order .
Any more and I will have to do something about it ! Even if I do like you IT GETS VERY UPSETTING TO KEEP READING YOUR ATTACK !!!! LET IT GO ASAP !!! Try and keep calm be open minded know you to are wrong !
let peace be the light of tranquillity
CHANGE MY SON
PLEASE
Quote from: picowatt on August 24, 2014, 12:33:15 PM
However, Einstein calculated and predicted the CORRECT amount of deflection in 1915 using his General Relativity.
This has since been measured many times with increasing degrees of precision and Einstein's calculations using GR have been determined to be correct.
PW
Actually, ASSHOLE, he didnt Poincare' did.
and , asshole, C squared came from JC Maxwell, not Einstein.
Albert Einstein, Plagiarist of the Century
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_jcTLetYr0
Most of relativity never came from Einstein asshole, rather from Boskovich and Poincare'
Tesla outright accused Einstein of FRAUD
Tesla was right.
back to the books my little brain dead worm.
"The secret is hiding your sources" - Einstein.
Your little god was nothing but a fucking fraud.
343 PAGE BOOK:
http://www.solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/einstein-hoax.pdf
https://archive.org/details/TheManufactureAndSaleOfSaintEinstein-ThePropagandaOfSupremacy
2826 PAGES
what? 2826
Youve been milking a FRAUD ;D ;D ;D
poor dumb bastard
Kenny:
That looks to me like it is a "fake" book. It's a book written to be sold, that's the real reason it exists. It's just crafty people servicing and stoking a market that they know is there. It's another version of selling "Rodin" coils, and the bird's nest version is very expensive. In other words, it's just a tabloid pulp industry.
That's where you need the "vision thing." You use your vision and recognize that the actual bonafide truth is that Einstein's theories are real science and are correct. They have been experimentally proven. It's my assumption that the vast majority of the people working in the "debunking Einstein" industry are just in it for the money. Then I assume that there are true zealots also. There are probably even people that feed off of the true zealots by promoting them and hooking them up with pulp publishers. In other words, it's an ecosystem.
You have fallen prey to the influences of the Cabal. They operate in secrecy and they direct the pulp pseudoscience industry.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on August 24, 2014, 05:03:15 PM
Kenny:
That looks to me like it is a "fake" book. It's a book written to be sold
MileHigh
Sorry, but his 2 Phd trumps your bullshit.
His main book below ELECTRICITY AND MAGNETISM is still REQUIRED READING in some electrical engineering classes, including YALE
So, a book for sale is defacto fake? ;D ;D ;D ;D Stop sniffing coke, you demented loser.
Actually that is an academic book and VERY RARE and hard to find. MORON ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DPoor dumb fucker that you are. How amusing.
Id love to see you reproach the math or the books of Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko NO FUCKING CHANCE IN HELL.
Kenny:
Your mother wears army boots!
MileHigh
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 24, 2014, 04:33:44 PM
Actually, ASSHOLE, he didnt Poincare' did.
and , asshole, C squared came from JC Maxwell, not Einstein.
Albert Einstein, Plagiarist of the Century
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_jcTLetYr0
Most of relativity never came from Einstein asshole, rather from Boskovich and Poincare'
Tesla outright accused Einstein of FRAUD
Tesla was right.
back to the books my little brain dead worm.
"The secret is hiding your sources" - Einstein.
Your little god was nothing but a fucking fraud.
343 PAGE BOOK:
http://www.solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/einstein-hoax.pdf
Generally speaking, the first to publish gets the recognition...
As for the vile language of your post (which indeed makes you sound ignorant), as you posted earlier,
"The wise love hiim for the same reason the fools hate him. Always feel proud to be hated and loathed by the vile and ignorant" - Damascius.
PW
I am indeed proud to be hated by Kenny.
Quote from: picowatt on August 24, 2014, 05:11:19 PM
Generally speaking, the first to publish gets the recognition...
As for the vile language of your post (which indeed makes you sound ignorant), as you posted earlier,
"The wise love hiim for the same reason the fools hate him. Always feel proud to be hated and loathed by the vile and ignorant" - Damascius.
PW
Generally speaking, ASSHOLE, intelligent people care about
WHO STOLE WHAT FROM WHO.
Einstein had not ONE SINGLE FUCKING ORIGINAL thought his entire life..... NOT ONE.
He got it all From MAXWELL......POINCARE', .....AND LORENTZ AND BOSKOVICH.
Tesla only called ONE PERSON EVER a "fraud" in his life..............that someone was Einstein.
My "vile language" is reserved for fools like yourself, .........not for ANYONE with even half a brain.
Your ignorance "orders shit", so dont get miffed when youre "served shit", ... since you ordered it, son.
"To insult a fool is the praise of wisdom"
"The idiot cleaves himself with his own stupidity and blames others when being chastised as a fool" - Jennings.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 24, 2014, 05:15:28 PM
I am indeed proud to be hated by Kenny.
I dont hate you boy, youre just a mind addled fool , a mental midget. Likely you went to public school as well. Possibly not.
Ill remember your quote ............. "that book is for SALE............so it must be FAKE"
how fucking demented is that?????????? ;D ;D ;D
Well Kenny, I can remind you about the whole Litmus test thing.
If you claim you understand magnetism, but you can't explain the attached drawing, then you are a mental midget with respect to the subject of magnetism. So why should anybody believe any of your exotic theories about magnetism when the only thing the attached graphic does is make your brain spout puffs of steam?
That's like a crack in the armor and then the whole thing comes tumbling down.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 24, 2014, 05:23:42 PM
Well Kenny
nobody here named Kenny
Go shove that hysteresis graph up your ass.
"The idiot cleaves himself with his own stupidity and blames others when being chastised as a fool" - Jennings.
PW
P.S.: You are also a mental midget for not recognizing that the flat shiny surface of the disk magnet is reflecting the heat back to the camera lens, just like a normal light beam acts. The FLIR camera is just seeing a reflection on the surface of the magnet, it's not reading the actual temperature of the surface of the magnet.
Another chink in the armor and it's already all crashed down.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 24, 2014, 05:30:18 PM
P.S.: You are also a mental midget for not recognizing that the flat shiny surface of the disk magnet is reflecting the heat back to the camera lens, just like a normal light beam acts. The FLIR camera is just seeing a reflection on the surface of the magnet, it's not reading the actual temperature of the surface of the magnet.
Another chink in the armor and it's already all crashed down.
I found one about your speed son.
QuoteGo shove that hysteresis graph up your ass.
WRONG, mental midget.
Quote from: sadang on August 23, 2014, 02:49:30 AM
SaDAng
My programmed bismuth on single disk levitation works much better than conventional bismuth.
more stable and levitates higher.
good news, all 5 tests identical.
Check it out...
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 24, 2014, 05:26:30 PM
nobody here named Kenny
Go shove that hysteresis graph up your ass.
Well, now we know. You AREN'T the "Kenny L. Wheeler" on these patents. Or rather, the one granted and the one application. And here we thought we were being regaled by the Genius Inventor Kenny L. Wheeler.
But no, nobody here named Kenny.
Just :
Kelly den Adel
Ulf Hansrimehr
A E Hollingsworth
the webmaster of Kathodos
Aryasattvan
a certain "D. A."
and a host of other sock puppets. Doesn't it get kind of soggy in there, Kenny poo? Oh... right.... nobody here named Kenny.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 24, 2014, 05:11:13 PM
Kenny:
Your mother wears army boots!
MileHigh
Miles Higher,
The above, as well as most of your other contributions,
is Lame. An intellectually battered ego, obviously.
Apparently you've run out of legitimate ammunition too.
Could it be that you sense you've lost the battle?
Quote from: The Correct Quote
Your Mother wears combat boots!
Mine did! She was an Iowa Farm Girl. ;)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 24, 2014, 07:17:56 PM
Miles Higher,
The above, as well as most of your other contributions,
is Lame. An intellectually battered ego, obviously.
Apparently you've run out of legitimate ammunition too.
Could it be that you sense you've lost the battle?
Mine did! She was an Iowa Farm Girl. ;)
I have a pair of combat boots. My buddy, he was killed in Afghanistan.
I wear them once in a while. Same shoe size :)
He left me 'stuff' in his will.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 24, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
But no, nobody here named Kenny.
Just :
Kelly den Adel
Ulf Hansrimehr
A E Hollingsworth
the webmaster of Kathodos
Aryasattvan
a certain "D. A."
and a host of other sock puppets. Doesn't it get kind of soggy in there, Kenny poo? Oh... right.... nobody here named Kenny.
ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS PROVE YOURSELF A SICK DEMENTED FUCK STALKER ;D
I on the other hand dont know your name, ANYTHING about you, ...........and I couldnt give LESS of a fuck even if I was PAID to care. ;D ;D ;D
I dont want to know......... To even be interested in ANY OF THAT as regards your case and yourself,.....is on par with counting the bacteria in my toilet bowl.
And who the fuck is "ULF" ? ;D
That's interesting first the word arsehole than the racist comment about the Jews mmmmmmmmmmmmmm Very soon Kenny you will be kicked out of here ! And a poster of what you have composed sent to your local police than your local news paper than to a local law firm very close to you !
LAW IS JUDGEMENT
NOT YOU KENNY
We must except the human race as it is, with all its errors misjudgements wars and evil its our natural evolution as we the human race has chosen it to be this way ! Einstein was a angry man wouldn't you be if you were a Jew at the time of Einstein ? I am a scientist physicist meta physicist artist writer dreamer lover poet angle saint fool idiot and once was wrong about everything ! Now I am right !
I very rarely compose my words as word are just words and often lost in the time it takes to write them so I build experiment and build ! In my youth there was no computers just books mad stupid teachers and a dysfunctional social society not a bit of inspiration just the words get a job son and work until you drop dead ... One day I went to my horrid school and was so without cloths my socks were a different colour and as I went up the stairs my teacher stopped me and said to follow him into the office ,told me to take off my shoes and socks and to wait ..The head master came in with a Cain and told me that I have broken the schools rules and the punishment way six of the best ! As violence was a day to day reality for me I looked right into he's eyes and said touch me and I will knock you out faster than a speeding bullet . He went to grab me and I grabbed the Cain and gave him 12 of the best ... I shut him in the room with my shoes and socks in my hand and run down the corridor and stopped by the fire alarm and broke the glass and set it off ...
The whole school ran into the playground with all the teachers I came down to the playground and shouted to the whole school and said I am the fucking headmaster now held the Cain high and broke it over my nee and walked out of the gate with all the schools teachers running after me ... I went on the run everyone wanted to kill me or hut me abuse me so I continued to wall 20 miles every day and followed the sun ! I new nothing about anything but one thing I new was that had the right to live without being abused by anyone .. I stole my food and cloths and soon the police was also after me it couldn't get much worse than I stole a car but did not know how to drive but I learnt in a farmers field and tore up all the wheat he had grown ! I was sounded by a 100 police and a farmer with a gun I put my foot down and drove straight at them onto the road onto the motor way towards the south cost .. I had made a very lucky escape but the car broke down and I was on my feet again following the sun ... Its was cold and wet and found an empty house to rest in and fell into a deep sleep ! In my dream an angle spoke to me took than me by up into the clouds and showed me all of humanities history that was acted out on the land below me I was sickened by what he had shown me from the dark ages to the present day and he told me when I wake up to learn the lords pray and wait for help . As I awoke and looked at the light coming through the window a book was laying on the floor covered in dust so I open the book and to my amazement it was the bible when I started to read it I just throw it back onto the floor to me it sounded nuts than a voice said in very loud tone look again . So I held it and said if I read another word of hate death and destruction I will burn the book and send it to hell . I opened the book again and this time I read the words GREETINGS AND DOXOLOGIES WELCOM MICHAEL I AM THE ALPHA OMEGA THE BEGINING THE END I AM SORRY FOR ALL YOUR PROBLEMS BUT ITS IS WITH LOVE AND RESPECT THAT I HAVE COME TO YOU PLEAS LISTEN TO WHAT THE CHURCHES HAVE TO SAY ! I was stunned to read a personal message written directly to me and shut the book remembering the page number and looked around me I shaking like blue thunder frightened for my life and my mind .. I re opened the book on the page that I was reading and the words I had read were replaced with the beginning of revelations ,this took me completely by surprise and began to read but it was all nuts to me I couldn't make head nor tail of it and began to think I was dreaming . The door open suddenly and a wind blew into the room and a females voice spoke out to me and said behold Michael you have the truth and knowledge in your hands may this be your education and follow the sun where ever you can ! It is the light the heaven the home of out father whom love you more than words can say let your experience teach you the meaning and purpose to your life have faith and fear nothing and nothing will fear you .. A few seconds later the house was full of the police and as they took me away I held the bible tightly and it was never taken away from me I felt its power its madness its truth its love and divine wisdom . Not a moment was I ever scared again I was made different a new being of light hope and wonder to what I may find next ... Many years later I presented my self to the earth charity looking for a voluntary job in the research of new energy and wanted to learn everything about physics science and quantum mechanics 23 years latter I presented to the charity my research on the unified field ! I now hold the respect of the few whom now except me
as the best there is and ever will be ...
I will prove that very shortly
Until than my good friend KENNY whom my love and affection is with I beg you sir not to let a moment of darkness ever again entre your head ! There are real dangers in the woods where demons live they are most powerful and can take your mind and soul away if you do not hold purity and profound love in your hart ! They will see you and know that you are a power to the light and will attack you at every chance they get . They will seek only to destroy you by controlling your mind and powering up hate in your soul .... Listen to me my friend ! Here between the lands of the great pond between us we have made a new and very important discovery in the light yet its full power and truth is such that we must be fully a wear of what it is and what it means and why is it with us and not them !
This is only the beginning and may it never end
Regards
Michael Richardson
A GOOD FRIEND
XXXXXXXLOLXXXXXXX
If you want to find out who's in control of things, ask yourself who in society you cannot criticize.
- John Lash
Interesting Wiki regarding the relativity priority dispute:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_priority_dispute
Blogspot of Christopher Jon Bkerkness:
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2012/06/jon-bjerknes-hrefhttpwww_22.html
Quote from: picowatt on August 24, 2014, 09:18:46 PM
Blogspot of Christopher Jon Bkerkness:
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2012/06/jon-bjerknes-hrefhttpwww_22.html
my 2 closest associates are Jewish, and friends. Dont even try to pull the anti-semite shit on me son. ;D ;D ;D
My wife was half Jewish, idiot.
I dont give a shit what is on Christopher Jon Bkerkness blog. ;D
insert 25 cents and try again
That's FUNNY PICOWATT very funny !
The Christ thing is wrong ! The poor man was confused so would you be if you were Christ ! But Christ made contact with a higher authority that could see it all going tits up and reached out to him but Christ just did not get the reality of he's position right , He's mind was stuck in a pre programed faith complex routine part Jewish part metaphysis it ! Aliens and demons tend to be at the centre of such problems its there game son not humans .
I hear the words ignore him ???? Its the voices in my head !!! But I am here for the final entropy test and to soak up anything of interest to complete my work ! One thing I never thought I would encounter is the level of some of the sick comments TA comes up with ??? Its just not cricket where I come from and I wonder is this typical American culture ????? Do you guys always attack first than talk latter ????
Christ was a good man honest reliable and probable a good carpenter but where are he's letters the ones he wrote in he's own hand ?? They exist ! OR CHRIST NEVER WAS REAL .........The holy books are full of letters from 300 years after Christ written by who ??????
Either way my experience of Christ saved my life so I will say that there is an evil and for some reason it is powerless against the Christ ! What does that prove ?????? To me its a raging battle out there between the powers of darkness and light and best not to look for the detail or you will be disappointed confused and sent down the wrong road ....
I agree only that its all a big cock up a real fucking pile of madness and that is what it has become due to the nature of the battle it self ! Now look at the holy lands and the sick Islamic evil that is all over the world ! Take a deeper look at the devil in the north of Iran he has a temple there deep in a set of caves where humanity once had to live to survive a global catastrophe leaving only 10 000 humans alive on the planet .. There are many secrets there some are about dimensional beings that influenced the construct of Islam and is the seat of the new mind set of these sick murdering Islamic nut jobs that think they will destroy the world .....
Give the love of Christ a chance son or you wont get no Lego at Christmas hahah
Evil demonic powers are real !!!! look for the balance to that and you will always find Christ there right on the front line fighting along the gates of hell with a lot of angles by hes side I know because I have meet some .... for real !!
All the best
me
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 24, 2014, 09:46:51 PM
my 2 closest associates are Jewish, and friends. Dont even try to pull the anti-semite shit on me son. ;D ;D ;D
My wife was half Jewish, idiot.
I dont give a shit what is on Christopher Jon Bkerkness blog. ;D
insert 25 cents and try again
I am not "pulling" anything. I posted his blogspot with regard to the consideration of objectivity (contrary to what you might believe, not everything is about you...).
Personally, I find this whole conversation regarding who should have credit for relativity quite boring (much as I do your immature and vile rants). But the Wiki is there for anyone who does care.
I don't care who was first with GR/SR. It works, science advanced another quanta, and science is very likely on the verge of doing so again soon. Same with QED. QED provided a better fit to the ever increasing precision of measurement methods, and with the current investigations into dark matter/energy, science is likely on the verge of another quantum leap in our understanding of what everything is.
Science will always build on the past... There is just too much math that does seem to work.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 24, 2014, 10:00:26 PM
Personally, I find this whole conversation regarding who should have credit for relativity quite boring
Thats like saying "I dont care who printed my cash, as long as it spends"
Quote from: picowatt on August 24, 2014, 10:00:26 PM
QED provided a better fit to the ever increasing precision of measurement methods,
You mean virtual photon bullshit.
Yeah, thats an accurate model of nature........ . wise up son ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 24, 2014, 10:24:17 PM
Thats like saying "I dont care who printed my cash, as long as it spends"
That's right. Don't care. I also don't care about the physics or chemistry of the electronic components I use daily, I only care that they do what the data sheets say they do.
Quote
You mean virtual photon bullshit.
Yeah, thats an accurate model of nature........ . wise up son ;D ;D
Of course its crazy. The whole quantum world is crazy. That is why there were so many unwilling to accept it. However, the mathematical model allowed a better fit so science has had to resign itself to using it.
However, there remains a lot to be answered, and as I said, science is likely on the verge of some new discoveries that may increase our understanding immensely.
That seems to happen every 100 years or so...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 24, 2014, 10:35:07 PM
That's right. Don't care.
YOU DONT CARE IF YOUR CASH IS COUNTERFEIT?
TELL THAT TO THE LAW DUMMY :o
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 25, 2014, 12:07:54 AM
YOU DONT CARE IF YOUR CASH IS COUNTERFEIT?
TELL THAT TO THE LAW DUMMY :o
If its "counterfeit", its not "money".
it's all fiat anyway...
Quote from: picowatt on August 25, 2014, 12:40:31 AM
If its "counterfeit", its not "money".
it's all fiat anyway...
If Einsteins "discovery" is counterfiet, its not his CRED to "spend"
Its not real, its trash, its a mish mash of stolen concepts.
Might I remind you that Einsteins teachers thought he was a RETARD. ;D ;D ;D
He is the goddamn SAINT and "god" of Relativity and Quantum bullshit.
Time to return to Steinmetz, Tesla, Heaviside, Maxwell.
The future is dielectrics and vortex technology. Not quantum bullshit.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 25, 2014, 12:49:30 AM
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The future is dielectrics and vortex technology. Not quantum bullshit.
Yes indeed, this is the future! But all these means everything reversed or more correct twisted with 180 degrees. Everything! Two have to become one, and the third have no place in between! And most are terrified of this change! Habit is the second nature of man! People still needs miracles not explanations! People still needs sweet lies not crude truth! People are still not people... just merely tools in the hand of others, even if their own nature is to be creators not creatures!!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 25, 2014, 12:49:30 AM
The future is dielectrics and vortex technology. Not quantum bullshit.
So you say. Time will tell...
Quote from: sadang on August 25, 2014, 01:08:36 AM
People still needs miracles
Tell them to wait until October of this year, ................THEN they will see a real miracle unleashed on the world
if you own any telecommunications stock, Id sell it ;D ;D
Quote from: picowatt on August 25, 2014, 01:13:35 AM
So you say. Time will tell...
τὰ πάντα ῥεῖ καὶ οὐδὲν μένει - Heraclitus
Thats ancient Greek for "everything is spinning bitch, nothing is sittin' still " ........... (well, translated into URBAN English thats what it says) ;D ;D ;D
What is coming out in a couple months makes the amazing stuff below look like childs play.
A bit repetitive, but yeah, wonderful stuff.
If you look into how that new encoding technology was developed, scientists used QED to develop it.
(although the spiral phase plates themselves been around for some time)
Quote from: picowatt on August 25, 2014, 02:47:07 AM
A bit repetitive, but yeah, wonderful stuff.
If you look into how that new encoding technology was developed, scientists used QED to develop it.
thats ass backwards, thats like saying Faraday used QED to bend light in the "Faraday Effect"
I can call wiping my ass "QUANTUM FRICTION"..........it however means NOTHING.
Quantum is a brain fart, a mental clusterfuck of ERROR upon error.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it not true. Read the article in Nature...
QED has allowed for the development of a lot of technology. Sure, many can claim to hate QED, and most realize it is an incomplete mathematical model at best, but in the end, it gets used because it is a better fit than all before it.
Personally, I suspect we are on the verge of finding that the occasionally disregarded infinity, arbitrary constant, or sign change will end up being part of the true description of the 99.9999% we seem to be missing.
But that is just conjecture...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on August 25, 2014, 03:08:44 AM
Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it not true. Read the article in Nature...
QED has allowed for the development of a lot of technology. Sure, many can claim to hate QED, and most realize it is an incomplete mathematical model at best, but in the end, it gets used because it is a better fit than all before it.
You just dont fucking get it. Calling something makes is NOTHING.
I can call midgets "quantum sub-particle transitional humanform beings" MEANINGLESS.Son, Faraday, Steinmentz, Tesla, Heaviside, Maxwell, that gave you EVERYTHING that is running EVERY FUCKING THING IN YOUR FUCKING HOUSE,.............didnt have shit to do with quantum anything.
brain dead fool.
I can invent something new and claim its based upon "electron flow".......
doesnt mean its a "QUANTUM INVENTION" it just means Im ascribing bullshit lexicon to dielectric force charges.
I could invent a new Origami folding table and say its a "Qauntum folding table modeled after Boson entropy" But again, its JUST BULLSHIT ;D ;D ;D
Poor brainwashed child.
It's all about the math... and the predictions it can make.
And that math is way over both of our heads, so we rely on those that use it, and then test it thru experimentation, to tell us which fits best.
If the scientists that developed that new data encoding system say they used QED and quantum math to and predict and modify the behavior of electrons, and the subsequent modification of photons, then I will tend to believe what they say.
PW
Added: And I believe that you referred to even those scientists as "morons"..
Quote from: picowatt on August 25, 2014, 03:21:01 AM
It's all about the math... and the predictions it can make.
And that math is way over both of our heads, so we rely on those that use it, and then test it thru experimentation, to tell us which fits best.
If the scientists that developed that new data encoding system say they used QED and quantum math to develop and predict the behavior of electrons and the subsequent modification of photons, then I will tend to believe what they say.
PW
CP Steinmentz math is WAY over your head too, some of his formulas are 24 pages LONG, in small print.
doesnt mean SHIT.........and doesnt have SHIT to do with an arbitrary Pseudo-Science of Quantum.
MOTHER NATURE IS NOT AN INSANE CRACK WH0RE ;D ;D ;D
MOTHER NATURE NEVER CREATED:
1. virtual photons
2. electrons
3. photons
4. muons, gluons, bozons, negative momentum quasi-neutrinos.....etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
All this is SHIT to clog Academia with MORE $$$ and MORE grants and MORE BULLSHIT.
You cannot , you MAY NOT, you NEVER WILL learn what dielectricity , magnetism etc etc is with this SHIT between your EARS.
Tesla didnt fucking need it, nor did Maxwell, NOR did Heaviside, NOR did Newton, nor did Steinmetz.
Go find your teacher and pound his ass and then piss in his skull, .....he destroyed you. Added: And I believe that you referred to even those scientists as "morons"..
and TESLA used the word ELECTRON too.............means NOTHING......
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original. He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter, and does not believe in the existence of an "electron" as pictured by science.
"To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability..." - Nikola Tesla
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
As I added to my last post, I believe you even referred to the scientists that developed that optical encoding method as "morons".
Quote from: picowatt on August 25, 2014, 03:28:12 AM
As I added to my last post, I believe you even referred to the scientists that developed that optical encoding method as "morons".
Ahem, let me PERFECT my statement formally:
"If one were to take Relativity and Quantum Mechanics at its word, then mother nature is an insane hooker addicted to crack who created the most absurd unbelievable and irrational nonsense that would make even the imaginary friend of your child giggle loud enough for you to actually hear it."
- Author
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 25, 2014, 03:38:31 AM
Ahem, let me PERFECT my statement formally:
"If one were to take Relativity and Quantum Mechanics at its word, then mother nature is an insane hooker addicted to crack who created the most absurd unbelievable and irrational nonsense that would make even the imaginary friend of your child giggle loud enough for you to actually hear it." - Author
She might be. Who knows? That is why research continues.
The quantum world does indeed seem insane. Which hopefully means that it is just far from complete. But, again, the math derived from QED has allowed for a lot of scientific and technological advances.
Even more disconcerting is the possibility that the world it describes may be correct.
Think how crazy it would be to discover that the ether is the most dense solid ever known...
Quote from: picowatt on August 25, 2014, 03:50:31 AM
She might be. Who knows? That is why research continues.
The quantum world does indeed seem insane. Which hopefully means that it is just far from complete. But, again, the math derived from QED has allowed for a lot of scientific and technological advances.
Even more disconcerting is the possibility that the world it describes may be correct.
Think how crazy it would be to discover that the ether is the most dense solid ever known...
the denotation of SOLID eliminates the Ether under such a categorization.
No, the world is simplex, not simple. But it is NOT complex at all, but to fools.
non-simple = COMPOUNDED ,..........NOT "complex".
The "qauntum world" is as real a a Dr. Seuss book, its twaddle.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 25, 2014, 03:56:29 AM
the denotation of SOLID eliminates the Ether under such a categorization.
No, the world is simplex, not simple. But it is NOT complex at all, but to fools.
non-simple = COMPOUNDED ,..........NOT "complex".
The "qauntum world" is as real a a Dr. Seuss book, its twaddle.
Not having a closed mind, I am open to all possibilities. The answers will come in time.
As for the ether, it is just a word, like 'electron".
PW
Quote from: d3x0r on August 19, 2014, 10:40:43 PM
http://io9.com/the-first-image-ever-of-a-hydrogen-atoms-orbital-struc-509684901 (http://io9.com/the-first-image-ever-of-a-hydrogen-atoms-orbital-struc-509684901)
That doesn't show particles... that shows fields..
Exactly! The first image below is showing a photon field, or a charge field, and is not an atom's electron orbital as they wrongly claim. The wave function itself should have originally been assigned to the photon instead of the electron (see second image below). Since the wavelength is "the wavelength of a photon," and if the wave function is dependent on that wavelength, then the wave function applies to the photon (see third image below). For almost a century, physicists have been assigning motions and interactions to the electron, when in fact the electron is only a field result (see fourth image below).
Reference: The Compton Wavelength, as evidence of the Photon Wavefunction (http://milesmathis.com/comp3.pdf)
Additional Resources: Compton Scattering: a mechanical explanation (http://milesmathis.com/comp2.html) and The Compton Effect, Duality and the Klein-Nishina Formula (http://milesmathis.com/comp.html)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 24, 2014, 08:41:18 PM
ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS PROVE YOURSELF A SICK DEMENTED FUCK STALKER ;D
I on the other hand dont know your name, ANYTHING about you, ...........and I couldnt give LESS of a fuck even if I was PAID to care. ;D ;D ;D
I dont want to know......... To even be interested in ANY OF THAT as regards your case and yourself,.....is on par with counting the bacteria in my toilet bowl.
And who the fuck is "ULF" ? ;D
So, there IS someone named "Kenny" here after all, evidently, in spite of your statement that there isn't.
Once again one of your absurd statements has been
proven false and stuffed back into your throat. And what about your sock puppet ACCA who thought he was "outing" me by publishing a photo that he thought was actually me? The internet never forgets, Kenny Poo.
Let's review. Just recently you claimed that Einstein invented nothing. That was false, as his 50 or so international patents demonstrate.
You claimed that magnets bend light and you provided false "evidence" for that false claim.
You posted a video of a sick little spark discharge claiming it was a Million Volt Tesla Coil... the funniest thing I've seen in weeks.
You claimed that your FLIR videos indicate something that they do not. And you have fabricated a lot more "evidence" that you have presented here. Claiming that you have a horse, and showing a picture of a sick cow in support of that claim, constitutes fabrication of data.
You have made many statements that such and so a claim may be found in books by famous people -- but when asked to provide references all you provide is more ooze from your potty mouth.
You have claimed that electrons and photons don't exist, then you turn around and state that computers etc were designed by people using models developed by Maxwell, Tesla, Steinmetz (did you mention him, actually, I can't recall)... but you fail to realize that the people who actually DO design the chips would laugh you out of the room as soon as you told them that electrons don't exist.
You cite texts from a few crackpots and iconoclasts in an attempt to support your vendetta against Einstein and SR/GR.... and put those against the citations of real legitimate scientists and hundreds of actual experimental proofs that refute your stance utterly and completely.
You are practically a textbook compendium of logical fallacies. I have seen you emit three or four in a single sentence: straw man, confirming the antecedent, appeal to authority, argumentum ad hominem abusive, post hoc non propter hoc.... all in ONE SENTENCE!
Keep it up, Kenny Poo, you are providing tons of amazing amusement!
Oh... did you ever get that nice concealed-carry vest that you have on your Amazon wish list?
Quote from: gravityblock on August 25, 2014, 04:42:44 AM
Exactly! The first image below is showing a photon field, or a charge field, and is not an atom's electron orbital as they wrongly claim. The wave function itself should have originally been assigned to the photon instead of the electron (see second image below). Since the wavelength is "the wavelength of a photon," and if the wave function is dependent on that wavelength, then the wave function applies to the photon (see third image below). For almost a century, physicists have been assigning motions and interactions to the electron, when in fact the electron is only a field result (see fourth image below).
Reference: The Compton Wavelength, as evidence of the Photon Wavefunction (http://milesmathis.com/comp3.pdf)
Additional Resources: Compton Scattering: a mechanical explanation (http://milesmathis.com/comp2.html) and The Compton Effect, Duality and the Klein-Nishina Formula (http://milesmathis.com/comp.html)
Yes, except that article needs to be reduced further, there are no photons or electrons, these are BOTH arbitrary creations used to explain dielectric phenomena.
Right, no particles, only FIELDS
But then you are left to DEFINE THE FIELD, which nobody can do, which NOBODY has EVER DONE. ;D ;D
It all follows the Poincare' disk model wherein loss of dielectric inertia (ie dielectric radiation /discharge) necessitates a spatial divergence.
THE LOSS OF DIELECTRICAL INERTIA, IN DISCHARGE NECESSITATES ITS SPATIAL VECTORIZATION INTO POLARIZATION, THIS IS THE ETHER-MODALITY "MAGNETISM".
Inertia and loss of inertia discharge Ether modalities are the only 2 principles of the Ether (dielectricity and magnetism)..... retroductively and simply, the remaining 2 Ether modalities are hybrid byproducts of both, that being Electricity (phi x Psi) and Mass/matter.
The formerly wrong view that was complex has now been
reduced to the COMPOUNDED, which is merely aggregated simplicity.
Where is the science ??????????? its all gone bonkers !!!!! TA GO GET A MONEY TREE !!! get back to the science and speak like a gentleman not a freak resist abusive melon head ! I CAN OFFER A EITHER BUBBLE AND AN ELECTRICLY CHARGED FERRITE MAGNET A ZERO POINT MAGNETIC MOTOR A MAGNETIC FIELD OSCILATOR FOR THE ADVANCE GROWTH OF PLANTS AND FISH ATHE WORLDS FIRST HUMAN BIO COMPUTER A MAGNETIC BED FOR CELULAR REGENERATION HARMONIC DNA CODEING ECONOMIC ASESTENCE AND PARTNERSHIP !
KEEP IT PROFESIONAL OR GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE !
ME
Gravity block you have don it again wonderful research where do you get it all from ??? We suspected a quantized drop into a black hole but could never see the fundamental relationship of waves and electrons so it now seems that the electron holds the majority of mass in the orbital filed of the wave and the electron is just sitting on the wave providing its gravity mass for the wav to function ! We have a detail schematic of inside the proton which is with our atomic battery and unified field oscillator ... We first put forward this technology to the OU admin and they sent it to the US government and prevented any further copy of it to be listed here . Some at the time did get a copy of it and I would like you to email me to receive this plan ect ......... my email is 0.atommix@gmail.com
The description you have presented would confirm a quantized drop of mass and energy into a singularity of a black hole wow that sir is a lot of help thank you very much for bring that research here ! The connection to the hot magnet syndrome as we call it is beginning to make sense and not only do we find neo magnets hot but also are measuring a polarised AC field charge from ferrite magnets that have hot water in them with an iron bass ! The other interesting thing we are detecting strange bubbles but not like normal bubbles infect the cant been seen by the eye and will only rise if you physically touch the surface of the water ! It is a possible dark matter bubble not an either bubble which we do have an example of but still needs conformation ..
Gravitons and bosons to us are held by quarks in the head of the proton but the nuclei in the H atom picture is different than what we expected and need more of a close up of it and we would need to know if that nuclei is changing with the photon wave function ??????? It important as we wish to fully understand why gravitons and bosons are held by the quarks and what would be the correct approach to release them in a quantized method .
Further to that there are may other particle groups held in the nuclei along with a 1kw of electricity as that is the energy value of the proton ....
If there is a connection to magnetic photon charge emissions from a black hole it would also confirm why protons don't leak out there energy and the time line is now set at 36 billion years but with the new data there could be a quantized drop in proton energy related to activity at the black hole in the galactic centre ! WOW that would be truly amazing ! That would shorten the life of all protons in our galaxy ! This would be of a major important role in sun spots and with a lack of them at the solar maximum there seems to be another connection .. The last part is dark matter its string and how that string is connected to the photon field of the H atom ! This may be a needle and thread connection with the fabric of space and would not there for be a direct connection to the H atom just some kind of bending in the fabric as the galactic centre pulls hard on the fabric .
Also this does not rule out that dark matter could be a dark planet system onto its self and there has been some interesting but strange anomaly as to the sun and black mass that has been detected by photos ect but not fully confirmed ..... It all may be a combination of all effect happening at the same time .. ! Either way hot neo magnets is a concern yet could be a valuable tool we will soon find out !
TA do you see how gravity block presents data ?????? please follow he's mind set and learn from him all you can !
Regards
93RDl
Ken, here's a neat picture. I'm on the fly and don't have time to post all the info. Would love to see your comment on it in the context of your findings on magnetism:
http://www.muldersworld.com/photo.asp?id=25775
Bob
The either gas bubble
I except that the word either is the same as the word electron but the difference to me is that the alpha soup exists even if it is nothing made of nothing ! Nothing is a very big something when it is a hole like the eye of a storm or a bubble with nothing inside it like an atom without a nuclei . Quantum balance Nothing /Something or empty space with only time inside it there for the either soup is nothing more than pure time a constant energy system by the nature of the fact that everything came from nothing .
The bubbles I observe are ones that never reach the surface of the water without collapsing or just shrinking back into nothing The odd thing is that the volume of the water stays the same ! Just like the volume of metal that Hutchison pushed he's wooded stick into the volume never increased ... This make for a lot of holes to hid in and also emit from ! The harmonic chart I put up earlier was not about chemistry they point out that there are gaps between each harmonic event or note in any scale and to me that includes light .. There are 7 colours in a rainbow but there 12 notes to an octave the 5 black notes on the piano are shifted and black and are the sharps and flats depending which way you play them .
Its all the same and relative ! Science hardly includes them but the cutting edge in the strings of the unified field must have them to exist and function as in fact do all strings . The guitar fret board or a violin will have shorter or longer lengths of time and space between each note again its a perfect match along the cosmic octave .
Everything has a hole in it including TAs theory of light ! gravity has a hole in it and so on down to the smallest particles even if its just a bubble its still a hole as there is nothing in it ... The water flowing down a plug hole ect ect ... Time and space can produce a worm hole its hard to find something without a hole in it ??? The only place I can not yet find a hole is at the edge of space but beyond it is nothing than keep going and you find the remains of the big bang before the big bang that created our universe as where there is a lot of nothing you will in the end find a lot of something depending on the amount of nothing you find .
Its always in balance ! Its a real headache because you can never find the beginning like being lost on the edge of a circle not so much a spiral you can find where you started from but a circle that oscillates like a wave and particle I just keep getting lost in space hahaha ......
So the either does exist ITS GOT A HOLE IN IT HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAH LOL
ME
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Please stop your Standard EE crap. Everyone is just as lost as the next man. The blind is leading the blind. It does not mean you won't find your way home, only that the road may be longer. Just because I am not in agreement with @TAs ideas, it does not mean I am automatically for Standard EE so when I read your continuous virtues of Standard EE being the do all and end all, it is getting really tiring.
Science has managed to convince us of so much crap that no one knows anymore WTF is up or down. Have you ever seen a scientist say "Please don't give me any more money because my Theory is wrong". The basis for science is a very flawed money model where you need to lie to keep the damn lab open, you have to lick corpo's ass for a few more pennies, you have to research what is only profitable, do you want more.
Just the damn Periodical Table of Elements where they spend millions and millions to study Atomic Weights, to then update the value from 2.19999999 to 2.19999998. Wow what a great job that must be. Get paid big bucks to play around with decimals. Your money in action.
Ask the guy who came up with String Theory how much he got paid. Must be very profitable indeed to invent stories of strings in space actually wiggling here and there and everywhere. Tell me, how do you wiggle in space. Maybe tell that guy instead of inventing more strings why not work out what there is already. Because there is only money in always going smaller and smaller. Everyone wants to conjure up the smallest element. Big f'n deal. IT'S ALL LIES.
You then look for the Proton and find out the only proof is an experiment done by this guy about 100 years ago and because the outcome showed a positive signal, the Proton was born. What kind of junk science is that when all the "strings" are pulled by the Cabal for their own gain and fuck the masses. Just invent anything we want, we will adorn you and you will be set for life. Who 100 years ago would have been in a position to tell that guy, go fuck yourself with your crap science man. No one had the mind and with influential friends, things seem to stick around for a very long time.
Then you have the damn electron that's been shoved up our ass for ages. Funny the same electrons that will give you one hell of a shock or even kill you, covers all the atoms in the universe. The first thing we touch when we touch anything is electrons. Yes sure, now go feed that to the cows because it will only produce manure.
So if I was you, I would not be spending my whole days extolling the virtues of modern science. The same scientists are seeding us with chemtrails, creating GMOs, patenting life, creating deader burgers for McDonalds, inventing all sorts of junk just for the sake of keeping a damn job at all cost. You want me to go on.
Seems like between you and @TA, we have a double feature horror show.
@TA
Really too bad you don't know how to teach people. Also really bad you don't have anything to teach, but even worst that you are pretending both.
The more you extol the virtues of the field and its many characters and that of your holy magnet, the deeper you are digging your own stupid-i-well.
The only illusion is the field you talk about man. That field has cost everyone plenty of useless hours, days and years and you are just dishing out more and more. The dielectric is diuretic. The counter-spatial is anti-logic. And all your magic tricks with magnets are nothing more then NORMAL CRAP viewed by a brainless mind.
Like I said when the base is wrong, everything is wrong and becomes total disinformation. The magnet has lost its magic illusion. Soon I will show you how it works and why.
Here is a clue. Your compass does not point to any Earthly pole. It points to Earth center, which from anywhere on Earths surface, will always point to the pole, but the damn pole is fieldless, always was, always will be. There is no natural requirement for a field when real nature has been doing everything on its own very well for ions.
Chew on that for a day or so.
wattsup
Quote from: wattsup on August 25, 2014, 04:04:22 PM
The only illusion is the field you talk about man.
Pathetic SOB, you just said the only REAL is "the illusion"
crawl back into your dark hole boy. ;D ;D
Quote from: Bob Smith on August 25, 2014, 11:12:03 AM
Ken, here's a neat picture. I'm on the fly and don't have time to post all the info. Would love to see your comment on it in the context of your findings on magnetism:
http://www.muldersworld.com/photo.asp?id=25775
Bob
beutiful isnt it, too bad he didnt list exposure and filtration
it at LEAST shows the Suns gyromagnetic necessitated angle of precession.
assuming he didnt take it at an angle.
however i recall seeing other precessional photos
WHATS UP WHATS UP HAHAHHAHAHAHAH LOOKS LIKE THERE IS ENERGY IN YOU BOY HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH NOW PLUG INTO THE HOLE HAHHAHAHA LOOK AND SEE THE GRAVITY BLOCK PROTON LOOK SON LOOK !!!! There is a tiny black spot get a close up you blind bat hahahahahhahah ifs a hole on the head of the proton hahahhaah even the one who took the picture couldn't spot it hahahhahaha he was so scared if said anything thing he would get shot hahahahaha now shot him hahahahahahahha don't mess with me son I was falling a sleep until you woke me up hahahahahah now sit down and find the hole in your arse hahahahah than the hole in your head hahhahahahahah you monkey hahaha the hole rules son hahahahahahahah
If people are reading this go take a look at the hole in the proton its the only magnetic vortex there is out side the black hole in the galactic centre hahahah that's two magnificent discoveries mad here son and thant son is only the beginning son hahahahahahahhaha whos next ????hahahhahahahahahahha
Now wake up you divering bunch of falapper niconpooperlogarythems who were educated with a hod over your head hahahahahahah leys rock and role son its time we made the planet our own son tel that to the man you call the president of the USA and the idiot who builds a 300ft flying bomb to go to the moon hahahahahahh
I tel you son the sun is not what you think it is son it now belongs to me son every dam proton has a hole son hahahahahhahahahahahahaha every earth planet in this galaxy has a harmonic position son relative to our almost dead planet son so son dot worry son very soon son I will send you to the one that is probable dead son so you can bring it back to life son hahahahhahahahahahhahahah
wake up the people of this earth wake up you have a hole in you hahahahahahahahahhahahahahaah now than so you think that we are wrong is TA WRONG NO SON ITS ONLY A FIELD SON ITS ALL A DAM FIELD WITH A HOLE IN IT HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Condensed to the point of no return until Hutchison done the so called impossible the wood wen in and the ball stayed the same size son is that conformation oh son yes it is I to can levitate a cannon ball thanks to Mr Hutchison Let me do it to you son come on it wont hurt not with me son I have the full periodic harmonic son ....
Stand to attention son get ready son you son have been chosen for a very important mission son and don't say no or you will be a coward son ok ..... Its time son to stop playing with monkeys son whats the fun in that when we got you to shrink into a hole son hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha
I am here like TA to rock the planet change it for the better and kick arse with some dam ALIEN who now holds the speed recorded in out atmosphere son ! Tel the alien when I finally catch up with him to get ready to shit himself hahahahahahahah NOW PEOPLE OF DUMB EARTH TAKE UP THE CHALLANGE OR DIE TRYING ........ LETS ROCK AND HOLE HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
IF SCOTLAND BECOMES INDEPENDENT WE WILL POWER THE UK GRID AND SEND YOU THE MONEY TO BUILD WHAT YOU WANT TO BUILD ! AND IF YOUR GOVERNMENT DONT LIKE IT TEL THEM THE LAW IS ON YOUR SIDE AND DONT FUCK WITH AN ENGLISHMAN BULLDOG AND THE NEW FREEDOM OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SON OR FACE LEGAL AND INTERNATIONAL LAW ......
BY THE WAY IT WAS THE BRITISH THAT INVENTED THE LAW OK SON NOW FREE YOUR BACKSIDE FROM THE HOLE AND GET READY SON OK SON ..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA
TO THE NEW FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD OUR DAY HAS COME THIS PLANET IS NOW OWNED BY US NOT THEM ... AM I WRONG SON ?????? NO SON !!!!!
IS TA WRONG SON NO SON HE JUST NEEDS WHAT HE NEEDS SPACE TO THINK TIME TO RELAX AND LODGIC WITH A HOLE IN IT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
THE NEXT CHALLANGE IS HUMAN TO ALIEN COMMUNICATION SON LIVE AT THE OU ON THIS THREAD WHEN YOUR READY SON ..... R U READY ???? WE ARE !!!! LOL
REGARDS
93RD
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Our two candidates for President of the Solar System and not one intelligible word.
Bodes well at the Galactic Congress.
You guys may as well speak Chubokian.
wattsup
As I was watching UFO videos I came across these patterns of your vortex... thought I would share. Interesting stuff.
http://youtu.be/c1qrmKuOMng?t=21m56s
http://youtu.be/c1qrmKuOMng?t=23m19s
What's up ? Is also stuck in orbit around a cloud of self that contains only you ! The sad part is you like millions of others only wish to see what they want to see even if its an empty hole , But with this vortex its got the names of all life in our universe written on it including you . There are no mare theories no more miss guided attempts to measure a reality that now has become the final straw that we will all draw knowledge from ! As we map around the new reality and one that we have mapped to a complete and final conclusion it would be best if you were to completely shut up ...
I will soon give you the final detail of the proton a full and finite definition of all its parts in complete harmonic progression ! The ones who will read it and understand it will own it and become the masters of truth wisdom fact and honesty . If you or any other attempts to distort this most important reality as only to paint it with there dump ignorant image than you will only has delayed a moment in time but that one single moment could be one second to dam late to save millions of lives .
We are now entering the quantum realm where advance intelligence is now orbiting our solar system and quantum leaping into our atmosphere on a daily routine to measure and test our reality our planet and all life here with that has evolved . Some of us like my self have already had contact with these Aliens and to be honest they are a great and powerful danger to our world . They have not come here to help us and to them that think these Aliens are fluffy little green men from another planet who make pretty crop circles and dance in the sky like angelic butterfly's for the enhancement of our humanity you will very soon be proved wrong .
Two years ago I was introduced to a man whom has 4 small intelligent electrodes implanted in is back all emitting high energy scalar and RF waves . When you try and touch them they become very active and emit pain to the man in question ! I will not go to much into the full detail as to what happened next or where this man is now . Soon after this a 400m OD UFO and 4 small cube shaped ufos landed at a UK military base In the UK and was filmed by a police helicopter . These craft had spent some time in the sea and was spotted at many different locations across the UK .
These craft and many like them are all closely connected to the deep space UFOs now in orbit of our solar system and some are many time bigger than any city on this Earth ! There are now some video clips of them on the internet and what you see is only a tiny fraction of there true size and form as they are mostly hidden in between the holes we now measure in the fabric of space . I am no mug or a blind bat like most of the human race in fact I am on the frontline preparing for a direct contact situation and for us it is best to communicate with these Aliens and make an agreement of terms or they must leave our planet and solar system .
There are many reasons why they are here most of them are highly trained in advanced military combat and that come with only the experience of war ! It is important that we have a full understanding of the abilities and to manifest our own technologies to the same standard as there's or at least to the best of what we can achieve and that starts with the magnetic vortex of the proton fields ect ... Please now fully except the findings of this vortex and no more petty personal politics or attacks on the core group that now own and hold up the for corners of this reality . We will not tolerate stupidity abuse ignorance or any attempt to alter the facts .
Its simplicity is finite ! Its truth complete ! Its understanding is in a final crescendo of harmonic constructed building blocks that now are the new tools to our defence here on this earth ! We are the people that now draw a line as a circle around all life and claim it as protected inheritance giving to us by our ancestors to who we owe all our lives and knowledge to ! The secret departments of government are as we are concerned in contempt of there full legal responsibilities to love and protect the people they are appointed to serve ! Even when there is a change in government the real power is never changed they are the ones we must be concerned about and know that our world is not a bought and sold for strategy for there abuse .
They see us as sheep and only to follow there hidden set of rules that they the un appointed have served on the whole of humanity with lies wars chaos confusion murder financial manipulation of the world economic affairs disease famine pestilence religious divide and many other un thinkable deeds of utter evil ! There is only fact over fiction and to many years of humanity following the darkness into a hell now served to us here on this earth.
There are also conformations of a hidden dimension in parallel to our world and it does not take a poet or a monkey to see its reality and until you have a contact with it in real terms you hold no experience of it and may only view it with an empty void of dis belief . BE WARNED AND LISTEN ! You must never deny the logic of turning over every stone to find the truth and sometimes what you find is profound and often frightening dangerous unpredictable and hides behind the holes in the fabric that connects every one every atom every energy known and unknown .
There are many partnerships in Evil that great power over ignorance, they create chaos to only make our humanity weak and broken so that one day they can rule over the world ! But this world now faces other dangers from the very nature of the universe it self, and many here now hold open the secrets to its continuous formation and not all of us are moulded in the same reflection of each other.
Some of us are guided by the higher dimensions others by there own conviction and intuition yet combined we become as strong as humanity is weak . The doors to our vortex are only open to them that can hear the tune of the trumpet when it plays along the string that comes out of the galactic centre and into every magnetic vortex now confirmed and connected to every proton in the galaxy and beyond . There are many secrets within many powers to be hold giant waves to ride and monsters to avoid so if we sometime sound the alert its because there is danger if we ring the bell its because we again discover yet another hidden wonder of pure delight . If we offer up our experience and all its connections to the known and unknown its because we bring together all the angles of the light .
For them who know very little of the Heaven and the holy realm where it is placed and sits like a diamond in a gold ring you will be given the chance to experience the divine in all its power for without it we will never over come the dangers we now face .. Miracles to me are but currency made by love and faith honesty commitment and courage that never lets go of the light . There are many angles that live among us it is time we reached out to unite them as a one voice that plays the trumpets to proclaim our world as the home to which we all now own .
If you are only dependent on money as your tool to provide you with happiness than you are not welcome into the vortex of the light ! We will expel you faster than a photonic eruption from the event horizon to which you try to entre . Not one deed or thought of darkness can ever entre the singularity at its core so don't bother us with your mad empty world of self or try to corrupt us with temptations to avoid the consequence of your stupidity .
We own technologies that open the dimensional gates and powers that can fly faster than the speed of light and lift a house with just a few watts delivered in harmonic formations as waves that carry it to where ever we so will chose . No government that has ever broken its own rules and laws will ever govern us rule us or make demands on us that we as a unit of truth and oneness can ever or will ever except .
lET ME INFORM YOU NOW SO YOU KNOW BY WHAT TERMS WE WORK TO AND HOLD TO SO YOU NEVER ATTEMPT TO BRAKE OUR BONDS OR WE WILL RESPOND IN LAW AS THE FORCE THAT WILL TEACH YOU THE WAYS OF THE LIGHT .
From here on what you read and learn is an education that has evolved over 4 billion years and the life period of all protons is 36 billion years our universe is 13.7 billion years old and for the next 22.3 billion years our efforts names and endeavour will be written in the minds of all humanity along that line . If you so whish to be apart of that long and powerful history than step forward and entre this magnetic vortex and take a full part in the adventure that now unfolds .
LET IT BE
FOR WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE EVER LASTING TRUTH AND THE LIGHT
Regards the 93 Element year 2014 lol xxxxxxx
The hidden functions of light
As I an unable to up load picture data and for what reason I really don't know I am stuck with a written explanation of fact that must be put forward to understand why we cant isolate dark matter and what is the periodic table for dark matter . If we except that all known mass is only between 4 and 6 % of the full value that must exist for gravity to be holding the galaxy together than we must also find the remaining mass to complete the measurement for mass . Scientists are a loss to where it is and what it is but not me !
The harmonic charts I provided which I can no longer provide are the laws that govern sound and there construction is a bridge of harmonic values that are set like wave functions oscillating in the atmospheric pressures that make up the mass in our atmosphere . It is estimated that an average 6ft man weighing 12stone has 1000 times he's mass above him as atmospheric gas . This may seem to be something that one may miss the true meaning of and just see it as a value and not a harmonic value . There are 12 notes in an octave and all scales have imperial laws not metric laws as a violin strings first octave is 12 inches and weight in pounds is imperial . 1 stone in weight is 14 pounds and in each 12 notes there are in fact 14 natural scales to be found, so we now begin to see the connection in harmonic values and this becomes very important because if we wish to find the missing mass say the hidden dark matter the harmonic construction offers an insight where it is .
Each scale will have the same notes if its a major scale or an equivalent minor scale like A minor is also C major the chord is a formula of the 1st the 3rd and the 5th and is the same formula for the A minor and the C major ! Each scale will have 7 notes just like the 7 notes in the rays of the light emitted by a rainbow . The Rainbow is a very good example of the link between sound and light but for now we will just stay with the scales of sound . Each scale will have gaps between most of the notes just like a A minor chord made up of the 1st the 2nd the 5th and you now see the gaps between each note of that chord what is made from its scale .
It is these gaps that we will tunnel into to find the missing mass of the universe and for that we need to draw a parallel with a rainbow atmospheric scale of the 7 colours that will also represent all the white notes of a piano .. To do this we need the laws for the magnetic vortex for a proton to guide us to the location for dark matter ! The term refraction of light is what makes up our understanding of the rainbow for in this formula we measure a level of resistance that will change the vector of light forming the rainbow and is thought that the light by this resistance will slow down as it is losing energy .
But now we must begin to include the missing facts and see light as a string or a close cluster of strings that would make up white light . This cluster of strings is held together by magnet dielectric functions represented in the new values of light in the TA formulas for the dielectric constant of magnetism. Let this fact now continue as the bass for the connection by which the strings of light are held to form a function of white light .
The added function and formulas by the harmonic order of strings that is represented by the representations confirmed and set out by my self the 93rd element will complete the final construction for the new and confirmed functions of light and its relationship with sound . The final bridge is when we form the new periodic table as a function extended to co create all the natural 93 elements of the new and finished periodic table .
There are also new mathematic laws that must be added to build a solid picture that will become the bridge that connects all parts together and make the last connection to the new periodic table for dark matter . Many people we not know the term numerological constant or its meaning in mathematics let alone how it functions in the hydrogen spectrum or its values and formulas that exist to conclude a full dark matter periodic table .
I have spent many years bring all these fact together to produce a clear picture and one that can never be disputed or debated with additional facts, as there are no more fact to add or conclude and it is vital the reader or as I will now call the student of the quantum ! I will very clearly and in full cooperation with TA demonstrate the historic importance of there reality in simple terms .
For now it would be best to locate the harmonic charts I have put up on this thread which are a few pages back from this point and study them before I will continue with the complete treatment and confirmed order of these new laws of the periodic quantum . It is best to now see all laws working as a single unified law and not as a broken set of facts as the true meaning of the unified field is what it says it is a unified field .
This will become the first level along the harmonic path that will provide you with the tools to fully understand how the universe is created out of the harmonic laws that are mentioned above ! The complete understanding of these laws permits you to view the universe as a set plan just like a DNA sequence . And with that information we can begin to locate all the earth planets in out galaxy by just following the harmonic quantum mechanical strings of the unified field .
As you may now see the first glimpse of the wonders that are held within it is very important that you learn a musical instrument but in a very special way not in the traditional sense of playing music ! I am also the musical director of the galactic rainbow orchestra and invite you to now join ! We are all harmonic constructions of the unified field and our DNA is also coded with the synthesis of the laws that you are just now beginning to learn . Every form of life is the same as in the way it is constructed with harmonic codes that was thought to be just a natural selection process but as we dance our way along the strings of life we will see that there is in fact a plan to all life and mass energy spirit knowledge truth love and fulfilment . The reality of these facts will no doubt change your life and all them that encounter this will become more than just there parts alone ! You will be connected to every atom in the universe every life form every moment in time and space from the beginning to the end and a continuation into the infinity of infinite possibilities .
With music we can connect to the full multi verse and to all that live within it so be very open to meeting many other forms of intelligent life that also love music and the universe !
Regards
The 93rd Element
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on August 26, 2014, 09:51:17 PM
Regards
The 93rd Element
What kind of drugs are you on you insane moonbat?
Seek mental help boy.
Wow it's been long since I have left anything here !!!
wattsup recent post on overunity dot com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yszWF66W5M&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yszWF66W5M&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
Albert Einstein, Plagiarist of the Century
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_jcTLetYr0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_jcTLetYr0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im7-QfryB_k
Albert Einstein, Plagiarist, Hoaxer, and Liar of the Century.
Quote from: Acca on August 27, 2014, 08:10:44 AM
Wow it's been long since I have left anything here !!!
wattsup recent post on overunity dot com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yszWF66W5M&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yszWF66W5M&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
Albert Einstein, Plagiarist of the Century
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_jcTLetYr0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_jcTLetYr0)
Two can play at your little game, ACCA, sock puppet, liar, plagiarist, stalker. You posted a photo that you thought was me, and now you are posting some other photo in your continuing attempts to insult and degrade me. You cannot, however, refute me with checkable outside references or demonstrations of your own.
Remember your reflection TA
The full scale of the relations between all energy is now harmonic even entropy and that makes all your work incomplete so that son is a very big hole in your work ! You need lots of help son hahah
The full and true compression of light electricity magnetism mass entropy chemistry time and space
is harmonic
I am glad you took my advice on taking a deeper look at the dielectric formations in a tornado but for you its all just pictures no lab no budget no team and quite frankly a complete waste of time !
Also so the hole now spotted on the head of the proton is what makes a real magnetic vortex and son I just stuck a union jack flag in it hahahhahahah It now belongs to the queen of ENGLAND HAHAHAHHA
Do you like my one liners hahaha each one is designed to teach you a lessen in the natural formation of harmonic response that forms the correct formulas to open and close the hole in the proton son !
Now SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS I CAN NOW SWITCH OF GRAVITY IN THAT TORNADO SON ! CAN YOU ?
! NO !
SO A SIMPLE QUSTION TO THE PEOPLE OF AMARICA DO YOU LIKE YOUR TORNADOS AND ARE YOU READY FOR THE NET BIG ONE ????? LET ME INFORM YOU THAT TA EVEN THOE A REAL NUTER FROOM THE FRUIT YUMMYBINGOBUNNY IS RIGHT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS BUT HE DOES NO KNOW HOW TO SWITCH OFF A TORNADO ............... WE DO !
ALSO AS RE THE UFOs ect Let me inform you again belong to a dark force and have no plan to help humanity they also seem to be very interested in the DNA of the American people ???? And God help them if they simulate the DNA of TA HAHAHHAHAHHHAHHAAH
Now that the full dynamics of light and energy gravity dark matter have a connection to harmonic photon response via super strings in the quantum of space and time I would like to inform you that correct formula of light now belongs to me hahaha !
Unlike TA I am building the correct foundations to develop from so when TA is still working in hes garden shed playing with magnets and hoping to win a game of bingo to pay the bills we will be in million pound research and development centre building zero gravity space craft ...
As this site is stopping me from up loading the full design of the technology that can turn of a tornado you will just have to dig a hole when the next big one turns up ! Thant not funny !
The American competitive mind set is to dam manipulative un shearing self centred and out of date with modern thinking !
TA WHERE IS YOUR BOTTLE SON ???
Now let me see you turn off that tornado son ! Where is your dynamic schematic for dark matter son ? And son don't forget to kiss the union jack that now sits proud in the hole on the head of the proton !
Royal Britannia Britannia rule the hole hahahahahahah England will never naver be the same .
No doubt you couldn't give a dam shit about saving lives or the progression of a free world its all about pictures Hollywood hamburgers and a very very dogy government ! Is it true your government was behind the attack on the twin towers ?????????? If that is true son and you except it son what kind of country is America son ???? That son is not funny !!! Who is in charge of your country son ???
TAKE ME TO THE MAN IN CHARGE ASAP SON I HAVE SOMETING HE WILL NEED TO USE TO STOP THE BLIGHT OF THE TORNADO SON .............
TEL THESE MONKEYS HERE TO LET ME UP LOAD THE TECHNOLOGY SON OR YOU SON ARE A PUPPET ON A STRING SON ...............................................
93RD
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 27, 2014, 02:52:39 PM
Two can play at your little game, ACCA, sock puppet, liar, plagiarist, stalker. You posted a photo that you thought was me, and now you are posting some other photo in your continuing attempts to insult and degrade me. You cannot, however, refute me with checkable outside references or demonstrations of your own.
Well, he shore duz have wrinkly eyes.
Regards...
Silence ?
Silence ? no dynamic logical response ? Or are you preparing another onslaught of verbal abuse ?
I am different son ! I have no limits or boundaries that prohibit my reality , the only rule of play is honesty love and respect but I don't tolerate idiots pathetic word twisters insults or a breach in the gentleman's game of cricket .
I don't do delay strategy manipulations or so called elite academic boys club routines ! In fact I don t do fear stupidity media hype black box secret technology dodgy politics weapon systems money games or control syndrome mental health problems like people who think they need a gun .
Anyone who does needs a DR !
Are you ready for ma to teach you how to prevent a tornado and to switch one off ?
Are you ready for me to teach you how to close the magnetic vortex hole on the head of the proton ?
Are you ready for me to teach you the new periodic table for ark matter ?
Are you ready for me to teach you how to control the harmonics of genetics to prevent DNA mutations ?
Are you ready for me to teach you how to control deadly bacteria and a virus with electro magnetic scalar wave functions that switch off there ability to reproduce without messing about with drugs and chemistry ?
Are you ready for me to teach you how to fully re programme mutant DNA back to a healthy and young re conditioned cell ?
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If your government present or past was involved in the twin towers attack ? There is a lot of information now on the internet that is starting to fill like it may have some truth to it than son fuck the science because the most important thing to do is to prove it and put them into the magnetic vortex human experiment . I was going to let you be the first one into the hole hahah but now I will reserve that for them .
In your own word and honest un challenged opinion please state here with a simple one word answer
YES OR NO ?
Or are you as we believe a black box wana be ???? And could give a dam ????
If you reply with insult or a data bomb you son are one of them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please reply asap !
REGARDS
THE 93ELEMENT
my apologies to 93rd element for the insult rant some time back. he's one of the good guys. maybe in a bit of a different reality but a good guy who cares. however my insult rant still applies to Tinsel Krapola who is still on the closed minded evil guy list. too bad closed minds don't have closed mouths.
I also had 93rdelement filed in the wrong category...but, that can be attributed to his questionable conduct during his initial appearance as atom x.
He does however, seem to have the right intentions ultimately...and does seem to have a very broad range of knowledge.
Regards...
Greetings and doxologies gentleman !
Our new reality is like dust as a cloud that is now to settle on solid ground with nutrients that grow logic and reason into practical technologies that will change the world as we know it !
I am busy setting up a manufacturing plant in Albania a contact that I have meet here who is keeping record of the developments made so far !
The way forward is cooperation and sharing with strategic plans that are solid and have continuity to them ! We are all human and that has to be complemented with the right approach to anti ageing and good health both physically and mentally ! To help with that I will very soon give you a copy of the human bio computer project that will begin to out line the correct formulas and methods to stay young fit and strong ! Without disease !
The second thing I will introduce is some free energy technologies that will be sold on the internet along with other products that will begin to set up the financial foundations for what we will need if we wish to develop technologies to help our home lands and the global community ! These technologies are at this point part funded with British government funding so don't worry about men in black suits with guns ...hahah They to are welcome if they stop pursuing the American people with there cloak and dagger routine that does nothing for the benefit of the free world so if they are here had back your gun and badge and join in asap ...
How to stop a tornado becoming a monster
A cloud is not much different than a bath of water pull the plug and a tornado is born it will spiral down to the ground and to stop it one only has to place the plug back into the hole ! Tornadoes are all most the same but will start with a collection of moist heave water vapour with a gathering of warm air around it creating a dielectric magnetic force that will spin sucking in more cold heavy vapour ! The end result is a spiral heading to the ground and growing with force and energy .. Thus a tornado is born !
If we had an intelligent disc in the cloud say a 20m OD one and if it could map out the cloud to spot where the mass if concentrating than all it would need to do is place it self over the eye of the small baby tornado now beginning to grow ! By a shot of some warm air the seed of the monster will be wiped out ! The cloud would than never be able to form a monster tornado !
This is not a may be it is a simple fact to determine as reality ! To this I would like you gentleman to consider a test experiment possibility ! The way forward is first some kind of an agreement to co help such an experiment to take place and cost out the plan and agree what the end prototype should be by way of design ! I already have some basic plans for such a craft ... But I have never designed an air craft before let alone a flying plug hahahaha
If it was a success and I am most confident it can be done , than it would open the door for more advance craft for strategic new zero gravity technologies to evolve ! The located hole now obvious on the head of the proton is what is driving gravity and one only has to close it to control gravity !
I leave you with these plans and I dears and I f we can finally become a one body a one mind we will son be in a very strong and exciting situation that can only benefit our self's and the global community !
The last tool I have is the quantum mechanics tool kit and it will be an addition to the research one that we can all co develop over the years I expect to be working with all of you ! Let it be that we stand equal and share all that we agree to build ..
Regards
93RDELEMENT
To OP
The first time i saw your equation the second thing that came to my mind was , that is the vector sign or chevron (star trek badge).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_VsLF2fGpU
best regards
Mark
"If we had an intelligent disc in the cloud say a 20m OD one and if it could map out the cloud to spot where the mass if concentrating than all it would need to do is place it self over the eye of the small baby tornado now beginning to grow !"
How do you propose such experiment to even begin?
In your bathtub analogy, yes the plug works because it gets "stuck", how can a flying object get stuck to anything?
The only way I can see it stop is via a vortex, meaning countering it but for some reason I only see either a tornado going up or down, the tornado cannot be stopped.
p.s. I'm no expert at this just curious.
I'm seeing all of this clockwise anti-clockwise all over the place like in this video too....
http://youtu.be/2bWWx-zqoTg?t=13m19s
If you think about it, a proton is like a mini UFO.
clockwise anti-clockwise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_rotors
http://youtu.be/2bWWx-zqoTg?t=31m30s
Quote from: joel321 on August 29, 2014, 02:16:41 AM
I'm seeing all of this clockwise anti-clockwise all over the place like in this video too....
as well you should!
Heres a 5 pound HUNK O' BISMUTH I just chopped off a 35 pound slab. ;D
The tornado is being feed cold dense moist air from the cloud ! That creates a dielectric between the warm charged air is you turn off one than it stops ... Disconnect the negative no current its the same thing ! The eye of the tornado begins as a small depression stop it at that point by warming up the cold depression and even counter act the spin the tornado wont form .. The eye of the tornado is a hole plug it and the tornado wont form do all 3 and the tornado definitely wont form !
No need for tornadoes to form we have to take control of them but not on the ground that is impossible we have to have a special craft in a suspected cloud to stop the tornado in its first stage of development ! Global warming is no little problem especially when it comes to a tornado . The ones you have now are very small they will just keep on growing ... Soon one giant will sweep right into a city not just a town and it will not stop because of its size .. It could keep going for hundreds of miles at 300 to 500 mph ...
Trust me its only possible to stop a heave wheel when it is slow and a tornado can be prevented from being formed not a problem ..... Why is it not being done ???? Because they are only interested in the research money or they are blind to the way simple physics works ..
Regards
93rd
93RD quote:
" Trust me its only possible to stop a heave wheel when it is slow and a tornado can be prevented from being formed not a problem ..... Why is it not being done (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fhuh.gif&hash=d6ee855eba4456f74563eb220bc8ccc44eeafd3c)? "
Its called weather wars.
Regards...
Cap z ro Your right ! That's is so dam sad ! weather wars how sick is that ?????
lol
"how sick is that (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fhuh.gif&hash=d6ee855eba4456f74563eb220bc8ccc44eeafd3c)?? "
I'd say its about 'satan worshiping pedophile ' sick.
Regards...
The devil is an interesting demon and very real ! The lord of the underworld is also a temple in northern Iran they worship him as one of there profits and is the real driving force behind extreme Islam ! That's not me being resist its the truth ...
But to me all life good or bad is a study of life it self demons are just another animal group there dimension is as real as ours .... But I don't understand the money thing with important simplicity like stopping a tornado ???? Why does it always have to be about the money ???????? Man must take the hit on that one ! Man is such a greedy empty hole no real unity no freedom no peace and we all become the dam sheep ! Get me out of here I am not human hahah ...
rd93
The natural harmonic in numerology
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
There are no zero s just 9 numbers add them up = 45 4=5 =9
9 x 9 = 81 8 + 1 =9
Try any multiple of 9 it all ways ends up as 9 !
9 is the life number
SO what about gravity ! we need 9.8 at one meter that's 1000 cm lets take a closer look at this 1 kilo is 2.2 pounds drop it at 1 meter you get 9.8 watts but that is the average number for gravity !
9 + 8 = 17 1+7 = 8 so now we have the .8
1+ 2+ 3+4+ 5+ 6+ 7+ 8+ 9 = 45 4+5 = 9 now we have the numbers for 9.8 wow so the formula for the correct frequency of a gravity mass at 1 meter at 1 kilo is 123456789.98 wow you want to go to the moon ???
This is how simple gravity is ! It was a big secret but what the heck lets all have a pick nick on the moon why not its not that far away ..... who has the bottle to come with me ??????? anyone ???????? no yes ???????????
You have to shift that number from 0 to 123456789.98 hz at 10 watts over 1 second or you fall out of phase and you will fall flat on your face ........... not easy by hand so I made a computer programme for it !
The faster you go the less energy you need that bit is not so simple you need to include the curvature of the earths harmonic at the 20 mile horizon divided by the speed you are going in imperial numbers ..........
Lets look at the imperial number of 1 kilo as 2.2 pounds its the same number as space time curvature and remember 2.2 trillionths of a atoms nuclei is the size of the electron so the earths inverse gravity field is the same as the inverse law for the electron and gravity ......
How do I know all this ???????????????? I was thought by a real alien !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't need a tesla coil or a dodgy Hutchison coil they just mess up the natural atomic fields of the electron you would never get up pass a few meters as these fields have to much sustain and delay on them we need a pure harmonic in the number I have now given you .....
Look for a crystal that has a harmonic hz frequency that that number fits inside ..... or make a very big magnet with a small coil with a field dump to control the sustain and delay .... The end effect is to close up the holes in the protons in the skin of the craft ... Nothing else and please no static my hair don't like it hahahahahhahaha
You see its all very simple !!!
look how numerology is closing up the numbers But there is more a connection to the chromatic scales and that is not so simple to understand but for now you are 1 meter of the ground and alive hahahahah for now that is hahahahahha
Get your moon boots on asap hahahahah
Regards
93RDELEMENT LOL AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The "devil" is actually the alien race who divided and conquered humanity by duping them into a state perpetual sectarian conflict and endless wars.
Regards...
Not to sure about that one but you could be right ???? Lets find out !!
I also have the full numerological alignments for space and time the hydrogen spectrum and the photon harmonics that permit the fabric of space to curve around the craft ! If your up for a bit of a quantum leap in time ???
The Aliens I met were the same as the ones in the earliest cave painting ever found 23000 years ago ! They didn't tel us why they were here ??? We were studying them doing crop circles ... Amazing work .. I was wondering why England ????
Gravity is easy
Time is a little harder .... The devil ?????? he is here why ?????????? I think the truth is going to be hard to truly learn we have to go find the devil and ask him .... Or we go to an angle and ask him or I would prefer a her hahah We could go and ask the aliens but I don't think they that bothered about it or there here because of the devil ????????????????
I want to know what its all about the devil wont hurt us we are not something he fears he's kingdom is hes best ;leave it like that ... If he wanted to destroy humanity he could of done that a long time ago .... We got it all wrong its to do with these aliens and there claim on our world ! Religion is a side effect of our experience with the truth . Lets just measure it with science become neutral but stay close to the angle ......
I need to up load here the full dynamics of gravity and light but I can seem to get the pictures up ???? I did before ???
What am I doing wrong or is there a block on it ????????????
Re
93rd
Steve Biller of Oxford uni. here in the U.K. says that somewhere underground
in Italy protons have been observed that confirm? the fact that most of the energy
from the Sun comes from the pp. reaction.
This debate needs a bit of fuel thrown at it or it'll fizzle out! Come on guys a
bit more or Rosemary Ainslie could well take hold again.
John.
I cast some bismuth ingots, each 24 ounces
a bit ugly but still 99.99% pure :D
it ships in CAKE FORM, which is refined, but it melts and cools more dense than the "fluffed" cake form its refined in.
working my ASS OFF on the newest edition of UNCOVERING THE MISSING SECRETS OF MAGNETISM.
I have some real stunning stuff to add i havent talked about in here.
"The eye of the tornado begins as a small depression stop it at that point by warming up the cold depression and even counter act the spin the tornado wont form .. The eye of the tornado is a hole plug it and the tornado wont form do all 3 and the tornado definitely wont form !"
If the tornado recipe is lots of hot cubic air and lots of cold cubic air currents, does not seem plausable to kill one with hot air...
The way I see it is like plate tectonic, you cannot stop the friction of air like you cannot stop the earthquakes.
Evn if you could, you would have to be playing "fortune teller" trying to predict something that could only maybe live for hour/s and then playing fortune teller trying to predict how big is going to get....type 1 earthquake or type 10?
Then what type of engine would you use to heat up the cold air up in the sky....the biggest engines I see from commercial yet airplanes and I, for some reason, don't believe they are big enough.
What would be your theory to stop one using the already made technology as of now...step by step.
"I was thought by a real alien !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
which kind, reptilian, dropa, greys, sirians, or other?
Regarding the 9 being the life number, TA has a video showing sort of the same with the circle...i guess there is something there but I don't know jack about that stuff...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSiHxiTsC-E
So we can agree about the cold air as fuel for the tornado and it will gather at locations at the base of the cloud it will start as small ponds of dense cloud vapour not giant swimming pools ! The intelligent on board control will see them growing from small to large .. It will make sure they don't grow ... Sweeping them back into the cloud warming them up with its on board generator .. I have a unified field oscillator water is its fuel its more powerful than a nuclear reactor and very small no problems with energy ! Also the craft has a new gravity control system if it want it can decrease the gravity of the pools of dense vapour ..
Also a tornado is only a tiny amount of a clouds energy and most of that comes up as heat from the ground to super charge the tornado ...
The cloud will just evaporate as usual or rain out its mass ! No worry about causing a super tornado that wont happen ..... You can also build it as heavy as you like remember its a flying saucer a proper one full zero g capability ! Top speed 995 000 mph the same speed of a UFO filmed by NASA in the earths atmosphere ....
How many do you require ????????????????????
I can do you half price for an order of 5 ...
Each one takes 6 months to build !!! As the money I am sure we can come to some kind of arrangement !!!
Regards
the 93rd Element
Is not just cold or hot air, it's also wind currents...think swirls in a river where there are "mountains" (its inevitable) I'm suspecting that probably 80% of the tornadoes don't even touch ground....so you would be flying your flying saucer eating chips and drinking coke all day popping tornado bubbles in your UFO.
Disregarding the accuracy, it's basically something like this all over...
http://youtu.be/JQZ3QkaWWqA?t=1m51s
In the brain, yes, I'm sure a sperm can be killed by chopping it's tail to not get a female pregnant to, in real practice...u need an atomic UFO with a laser to get in there and star chopping their tails too...
You are clowning because I read in one of your other posts that you didn't have a final product but just putting it out there that it can be done....sure it can, but is the implementation that is the hard part.
If you have the ability to fly 995000mph, have u been to uranus?
Wouldn't the more obvious answer is to put the houses/people in a warp bubble in the tornado path since you have the warp technology?
Intelligent operations on the ground sensor guided systems would stop the irrelevant time wasted problem you have created ! No product ??? sorry you are wrong there ! We have all the technology to support such a project its not a problem for us .. Rivers of air ? Don't get to carried away you might end up in the jet stream ! Also the tornado problem of say the tornado ally would be the target area ..
There are some other technologies we could also deploy ! Special particle conductors to help a cloud discharge there electrical energy in a more favourable way and that wold slow up the dielectric effect that is also a root cause to a tornado ..
Its not practical or helpful to suggest it cant be done situation in my opinion it must be done ! The global warming problem wont just fade into the history books quite the opposite it will continue to grow as one of the worlds deadliest effects of global warming .
The challenge is to effect a zero tornado mentality ! You mentioned Lasers they wont work the gas of the cloud is not saturated enough to much energy loss ! Also simplicity is also the best practice for any advancement lasers would have to placed everywhere that is much more expensive and not very particle .
There are other advancements one can consider mass trans mutation ! Mass can now be reduced into a smaller compartment in other word it can be shrunk down to a very small size . Its already been done and it can also be achieved in a theoretical way that even a cloud could be sucked up and transported to a different location .
If you were just to let the planet take control it wont give a dam about the human race life or the political and religious nonsense ! There are only 3 countries in the world that now have advanced flying saucer technology The United Kingdom Russia and Iran ! Check out the latest on the Iran flying saucer it splits neutrons to create a sea of abundant electrons in fact its a flying neutron bomb .. Not nice ! There has to be a challenge to that reality and so far area 51 is just a money bin for nut job weapon system hobbyists that are far more interested in the research money than the technology .. The USA don't have the advanced technologies like we do ! Our flying saucer projects are in partnership with the Russians . But for my research group we just replicate alien UFO technology its already tested to a higher degree of performance !
I personally dislike governments and politics they all have a history of causing more problems than they solve and with the words of thou shalt not kill as the first words ever to be written from an alien may be we should give that a try ! You never know it might work haha !
995 000 MPH is not that fast not for a flying saucer but fast enough to get around from cloud to cloud ! So you see its all a reality if one can over come the image of ones own limitations and stop inflicting them on others to gain a zero effect for the positive nature of a new world . My kind of politics is a free people that collectively vote when ever they want on any topic that needs a democratic decision and not one that is limited to internal boundaries of a country . I live here on a planet not a speck of dust and refuse to be divided and concurred by mad military or police state mentality ! I fact I fully intend to pursue the advancement of a free world managed by a free people .. Tel that to your government !
I fear nothing not even a tornado to me any in balance only needs to be re balanced its the law of the divine nature of the universe ! What are governments ? A bunch of twisted lying pathetic Hench men looking for a way to make a name for themselves and wont stop at anything to kill a fellow human if given the chance . Every military on the planet is a murder machine that sucks up the lost lives of the young for the use of demented folly of death and destruction . Look at Russia !
No its time for a better choice one that we can all take an equal part in ! Lets start with controlling a monster like a tornado !!! Than we can clean up the sea before it completely dies . Than we can enjoy the privilege of deep space and proudly go where no monkey has gone before . But when we turn up at another planet we will land and not budge an inch our message would be we love you and how can we be of assistance to you . And if they don't want us we will just leave ... Not like the present alien occupants of our world ! Mad crop circles dancing in the sky's flying into wind turbines collecting DNA without permit ion implanting intelligent chips into our people building advance cities in deep space that are now in orbit of our solar system . Interfering with a NASA technologies mission ,turning on and off our nuclear weapons ! Never helping the disaster zones or giving advance warnings of tectonic release or any help with disease . That's a small list of what going on in fact its a lot worse than that ...
Who is it that is in control of this ???? Are you sure you don't want to take up my offer ???? Think it through and lets do a deal !! Time is not on our side nor are our governments but there is a small window of opportunity and that is now ...
Regards
The 93rdElement
Just a 1st idea about a tornado, for it to lift any object, the air speed has to be faster then the object being lifted. That means there is an excess of energy that will always be moving left or right around the object while the object is airborne. That means if you produced small metal spheres that have internal channels that go inwards then do a right turn out, this would produce deflection points from within the turning radius of the Tornado hence using the Tornadoes' force against itself. Deployment could be something like a fire extinguisher instead of foam or power, you shoot out small metal balls.
A 2nd idea is to produce 3-4 feet high posts like fence posts that also have 90 degree channels all over the post. These posts are used as fence posts and should a tornado go over the post(s) to hit a home, the posts would again disperse the passage. Of course if the tornado forms inside the fencing, you are still in trouble.
These are low tech solutions so R&D for both would not be that difficult to perfect and 90% of it could be done on computer simulations.
wattsup
Whats up hahahahahah well done son you now have my full respect ! Congratulations TA is wrong about you sir maybe he should think again ! Low tech high tech all in all that's the end of tornadoes those monsters are now to live there last days on this earth . Lets get the job done !
My position at this point is my work with the grand unified field and if you had the copy I have Your mind would explode into 2.2 trillion orgasmic components no joke ! So I would like to invite you in the latest study of it with a strong approach to the development of all its technologies . Old and yet to be discovered including the complete formulas for gravity energy life and the incredible map for all earth planets along the harmonic in the unified field .. The grand unified field is what it says it is ! EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED ! That includes all life planets in our galaxy !
I want you to take a look at one of the technologies that it has reviled consider joining the earth science team and in that team we all stand equal the boss is the job ! Simple ! As the economic development part of our plans we fully intend to advance sale kwh onto the global futures markets and cheaper than any other energy provider on the planet . We are part funded by UK government money and private money with most of the work done on voluntary effort ...
Anyone can take part and join the earth science team no matter what your abilities are as long as you contribute in the same way as WHATS UP ! Think of solutions keep it simple than in one page put it forward !
Please could WHATS UP email me asap but for now only what's up ! my private email is
0.atommix@gmail.com This is the beginning of a great adventure from chaos to confusion to logic and finally the delivery of a new world for a free people by the people !
Fear nothing and nothing will fear you !
Regards
The 93rd Element
Quote from: wattsup on August 31, 2014, 01:12:39 PM
moving left or right around the object
why dont you wise up and realize all movement and energy has a fulcrum , charge discharge etc.
CW and CCW are just pressure mediation around a NULL fulcrum.
see how simple that is? Yet you dont grasp it.
Your right on that TA ! But are you suggesting a counter spin with lots of small objects sitting just under a cloud that would be simple cheap and could just sit there and follow a cloud around ??? That would be amazing if that was the case ! The cloud could charge them up and do all the work wow .....
Any designs ???????? I will prototype them how many do you need >>>>????????
Regards
93RDELEMENT .....................
"Its not practical or helpful to suggest it cant be done situation in my opinion it must be done ! The global warming problem wont just fade into the history books quite the opposite it will continue to grow as one of the worlds deadliest effects of global warming ."
All I'm saying is that we can't create universes...yet...yes we have a lot of technology and this and that but the technology is still primitive compared to the billions and billions (googlellions?) of biological evolution....
Take for example the flu virus, there is no cure for it. Why, because it evolves at a fast rate... why? Due to billions of years of evolution "intelligence".
There is no way to control it...why? because tornadoes are part of the earths' blood veins (required, unless you can prove that tornados are cancer to the earth). The best answer is to avoid it.
How to avoid it?
Make all houses in the earth tornado belt out of 4 feet thick walls and aerodynamic roofs...DONE! The earth is happy, we are happy....
You are only thinking one dimensional....look at things from different angels.
Have thought that the earths climate needs hugggeee tornadoes to mix shyt around?
Now you get rid of them at will, who told you to get rid of them in the first place? You are still killing the earth by not allowing nature take it's course....maybe even influencing global warming by stopping tornados. Lol
If you really want to make a change in this world, you need to find a ray gun that can program corrupt peoples brains to your own liking, or at least a way to influence them and take them out of GREED instead of trying to figure out how to get rid of tornadoes.
It can be a fun project to stop one, but at the end of the day, it's not really going to be beneficial....it would soon be reverse engineered and be used as a weapon instead. But I doubt it can be done....
"Check out the latest on the Iran flying saucer it splits neutrons to create a sea of abundant electrons in fact its a flying neutron bomb "
source? :o
A lot of junk messages only to dilute and divert the essence of this topic. Nobody really understand the magnetism or fundamental interactions, but discuss about electrons, neutrons, flying saucers, tornadoes transmutations and so on! Experiments from few, words from all the others.
Magnetism does not operate by centrifugal movement alone because, while magnetism is definitionally polarized, it moves as pressure dictates it must; its centripetal movement is governed by dielectric inertial pressures of the Ether in self-seeking equilibrium out of space and time back to the counterspatial. Counterspace definitionally is the 0-point fulcrum from which all fields are manifest, either atrributionally as polarized in magnetism, or centripetally and radially as in dielectricity, or in stable formats as matter itself.
Is here someone (excluding Ken) who really understand this phrase and its implications?
Sandang your a water snake ! Flying saucers are very important and work best as a magnetic vortex so they have a direct role in this thread ! You don't understand gravity so keep the junk to yourself !
The either is a reality if you know how to isolate it like I do for you its all words theory what you have read and what you believe ! That's not a direct real time experience of the either !
The grand unified field connects everything its all string including magnetism you need to experiment discover something run a science project build something do something that is real not made up of words and make believe voodoo gossip ! You know very little !
Also talk is cheap so walk your talk this world needs more than a bunch of stupid words it needs actions technologies that solve problems like tornadoes ... There start off as little monsters like you than grow into a real problem probable just like you .. People like you stop real progression you tinker with the minds of people and fill it with bullshit .
Let me see something that you have invented or made show me how to produce the either bubble levitate something trans mutate it solve a problem with it !
There are no more things to learn about a magnetic vortex, that's a complete science one that needs no more theories and yours is so out there its lost in a hole in your mind ! Get real !
I am in my lab building lot of new experiments for the study of the unified field what are you doing ? Sitting in your bedroom drinking tea eating crap playing with your Nintendo and what else ?????????????
Don't come in here spouting rubbish in a meaningless pointless way with no contribution beyond a pile of words ..... The best thing you can do right now is prove your worth or your worthless a nothing in the hole you jumped out off ...............................
We start with solving the problem with tornadoes ! Got a solution ??? no ?? Any ideas ?? no Tel me something as the sea is now flooding with radiation from Japan what is the solution to solving the problem ??? Try a magnetic vortex !! Right now I am to switch on a new technology that if it works will suck up all the dam radiation in the sea ! Tel me how do you think that works ????
I am not like all mouth no action a complete bar of pointless toil of tinkering with something you have no need for ! Knowledge is not a bag of sweets its a tool to do something with !
Flying saucers are a very important tool ! I hope to give you a ride in one , one that has a one way directive to get as close to a black hole as possible and stay there for a million years ! Your perfect for that job son ..........
Now fuck off or sole a problem ! Take that bag of pointless theories with you !
Regards
The 93rdElement
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Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 03:28:56 PM
You are confusing 2 WHOLLY diff terms dielectric and dialectic !!!!! ROFL
There is NO "space time curvature" these are FIELD pressure curvatures ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are, as most are, reifying the POSTERIOR ATTRIBUTE of fields, that being space AS the Principle.......its NOT. Tesla and Heaviside BOTH SAID THIS
See appendix A, vol 1 of Heaviside "ELECTROMAGNETIC THEORY" its at the END of Vol 1.
Hi TA,
in the PDF/DJVU version I have, there is no Appendix A in vol 1 of Heaviside "ELECTROMAGNETIC THEORY" ? Do you have any pointer to a version which includes that ?
Thanks,
nathan
@nathan97
Try Electromagnetic Theory, Vol.1, edition 1893, Appendix A - The Rotational Ether in its Application to Electromagnetism, page 127.
- https://archive.org/stream/electromagnetict01heavrich?ui=embed#page/127/mode/1up
@93RDELEMENT
Exactly what I said, words, words, words! And more interesting, a lot of useless and meaningless words! Only arrogance and impertinence! This topic is about magnetism as is described in the book of Ken, not about all that nonsense you're talking about! Do you have an answer to my previous question?
Quote from: nathan97 on September 01, 2014, 11:21:51 AM
Hi TA,
in the PDF/DJVU version I have, there is no Appendix A in vol 1 of Heaviside "ELECTROMAGNETIC THEORY" ? Do you have any pointer to a version which includes that ?
Thanks,
nathan
here is a copy of HEAVISIDES work
http://www.electretscientific.com/author/heavisid.html
Don't get out of your head people ! I am one who don't need theory anymore I work with the grand unified field it explains everything in the universe ........
No space time curvature hahahahah you moppet stop reading that junk theory food asap throw it all in the bin ... Space time curvature is 2.2 degrees imperial not metric !!!! ok !!!! And I invented the tool that measures it ..... WE ARE THE EARTH SCIENCE TEAM !!! Not wana be theorists ohh no people we are the best there is .... And fully enjoy TA s work its been an interesting set of discoveries here one after another .... My latest discovery is you !!!! HAHAHAH
Now begin again ! Start from the position that the universe was born and connected every field and field particle atom black hole sun planet dead and alive together ...........
Its going to be an harmonic encounter
We don't need monkey and peanut theory anymore ..........................................................................
Now explain to me how does one soak up deadly radiation in the sea ????? mmmmmmmmm ?????? we need to start asap or in 50 years time all life in the sea will be either dead of so fucked up we will have to kill it and start again ! Get your head round it !
Also tornadoes are becoming a real pest so we need to stop them forming asap got any ideas ????????
Its all a magnetic vortex .......................... find the hole in everything you can start with those stupid theories you keep throwing into the ring ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Regards
93rd Element
" Also tornadoes are becoming a real pest so we need to stop them forming asap got any ideas (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fhuh.gif&hash=d6ee855eba4456f74563eb220bc8ccc44eeafd3c)(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fhuh.gif&hash=d6ee855eba4456f74563eb220bc8ccc44eeafd3c)?? "
I'd say disabling all those HAARP facilities would just about do it.
Regards...
Quote from: 93RDELEMENTal
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Also tornadoes are becoming a real pest so we need to stop them forming asap got any ideas ??? ??? ??
...
The Geo-Engineering Weather Control Program is
able to create monster systems with violent weather
almost at will. One of their specialties is creating the
necessary conditions to spawn tornadoes of all sizes
and durations with emphasis on F5 capable to travel 20
miles or more. They also do hail and straight line
winds of hurricane force.
Those persistent con-trails (chemtrails) in the skies
are often monster storms in early stages of construction.
If the chemtrails are at very high altitudes (35 000 to
45 000 feet) you can be sure a violent system is being
created.
The New World Order doesn't miss a trick...
As Cap-Z-ro mentioned above, HAARP plays a big part
in extreme weather manipulations.
"...is able to create monster systems with violent weather
almost at will. One of their specialties is creating the
necessary conditions to spawn tornadoes of all sizes
and durations with emphasis on F5 capable to travel 20
miles or more. They also do hail and straight line
winds of hurricane force."
That's actually very easy to understand. All you do is use the current technology and understanding to INFLUENCE mother natures behavior. IOW, no one can create a tornado in the center of a city (lacking global wind currents).
This is very simple to understand....yes those chemtrails are them running some tests that can influence rain but under the right conditions ONLY....it's all children with big pockets playing with mother nature...but they cannot control it. They cannot make a tornado nor stop one....the energy is too big to control.
We all understand the "cold hearted" way of the people with taking over the world agendas....history shows us that they run tests on cities, towns, people disregarding their life. The entertainment global system tries to make them "forget" history but the evidence is plain simple.
History is there...like the army trying to use mosquito as a weapon....they drop millions on mosquito on a town via plane and never tell them they did. They ultimate goal was using them as guinea pigs to gather data...based solely on that, i can imagine them trying to do the same thing with the weather and such on towns.....this mainly happens close to army bases... just like i would experiment in my garage and not two hours away in my friends house...
What to do about it? Getting to the source. who is the source? billionaires supporting such tests. changing their GREEDY mentality. DONE!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on September 01, 2014, 01:48:57 PM
here is a copy of HEAVISIDES work
http://www.electretscientific.com/author/heavisid.html
Thank you ... this is confirmed to be be Appendix B in original manuscript then (just to make sure I'm aligned in reading the proper material :D ) ... interestingly enough it looks like there is no Appendix A in his work ...
Quote from: sadang on September 01, 2014, 12:04:15 PM
@nathan97
Try Electromagnetic Theory, Vol.1, edition 1893, Appendix A - The Rotational Ether in its Application to Electromagnetism, page 127.
- https://archive.org/stream/electromagnetict01heavrich?ui=embed#page/127/mode/1up
@93RDELEMENT
Exactly what I said, words, words, words! And more interesting, a lot of useless and meaningless words! Only arrogance and impertinence! This topic is about magnetism as is described in the book of Ken, not about all that nonsense you're talking about! Do you have an answer to my previous question?
Ahhhhh ... I see .... thanks !!! Mystery solved !
I don't understand how the American government can just experiment on the atmosphere with HARP chem trails ect without a public consolation ??? Why is then no court battles from local public ????
Anyway interesting info you guys have put up ! But I would say its easy to prevent a tornado and am sure in the next few years there will be attempts to do just that or why all the research on the ground ... ??
Please study the red shift photos of the universe you will see that mass is spread out at a 70 to 30 % ratio so to the left is 30% to the right is 70% ! Than set up an 12 note octave and place A in the middle start at 220hz You will find all the other notes to have fractions in there numbers ! To the right are the higher frequencies to the left the lower frequencies !
Add them up ! What do you find ??? Is there a connection to the way these frequencies are set out as to the way the universe spreads out its mass ... I would say yes ! But I would like to hear what you have found and can we all agree ?
Than I want to take you on a tour of gravity as an harmonic system in the key of A minor ! Than think about it as if we want to block a radio wave we would send in 2 signals either side of the emitting signal to block the signal .... We can do the same to gravity ... Or to a cloud so its dense cold mass is kept very light ...What would a zero g cloud mean ????
No tornadoes hahahhahahahahaah all gone at the push of a button !!!!
Lets experiment with a Chinese bowl in the key of A hahahah mmmmmmmm flying chop sewiee ahhaah Why bother with high energy to do a zero g when low energy harmonics will do the job without an electric shock >>
At the point when the universe began connect a string from its centre to everything there after than permit an event horizon to open up and you will begin to see dark matter as this super string and its connection to gravity ....
You wont read this in a book not yet but its a lot of safe fun to experiment with ... Than we can move into transmutation of a water cloud in fact we can suck up a cloud and transport it to a different location ... These two technologies would become very important ! Its up to you ?????? rock and hole hahaha
Regards
93RDELEMENT
Nuts for energy transmutation...using magnets !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ALMjJufr8A&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ALMjJufr8A&list=UUwVT-3hF29an4vZOz7nGOwg)
UFO Star coil nuclear reactor...below....!!!! Ha Ha.... Ha....!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPg2haEf3Q0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPg2haEf3Q0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHYwpSDNZ2Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHYwpSDNZ2Y)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU4-cmI5yT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU4-cmI5yT8)
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Here is more evidence of atmosphere manipulation 100%...to me is it evident that it relates to chemtrails. I live close to an army base and always seeing chemtrails, army airplanes on certain days of the month...etc...plus it makes sense...
At any rate, the evidence shows they are doing some type of atmospheric experiment here...
http://youtu.be/tjtLZH2wjCU?t=8m15s
http://youtu.be/tjtLZH2wjCU?t=32m6s
You can see the size of the numbers here when the plane flies by...
http://youtu.be/tjtLZH2wjCU?t=32m46s
That's GETTING INTRESTING !!! But have a guess which one is a con hahahahahahah he strikes again I just love the sound levitators that's the way to go stick one in a cloud and bingo no tornadoes !!! A cloud is excellent with a sound waves so simple to work and the cloud will never be able to set up isolated zones for heavy cold vapour and ite entropy would be in a flux ...
Why are they not using them ??? because they are dumb !!!! money men not science men !!! We should design one and send it to them ! or build one and just land it in front of one of there storm chasing cars with a sign on it saying hello MR dummy ITS TIME TO USE A REAL DUMMY HAHAHAHAH
Gravity is an event that happens when time is forced to slow down by a large mass with a smaller mass spinning around it you in fact need both to warp time and space ...... So in a perfect world we just need to alter a time line around a mass to alter its gravity .. Sound is the way to go !!!! You don't have to hear it and harmonics will squeeze together and vacuum around a mass !! But to achieve it with a zero point energy system all you need is my radiant energy coil its got a isotopic core permitting the attraction of alpha particles to slam into it hitting electrons in the coils !
That's the easy part than you need to flat line the frequency to a pure DC than you need to set up the harmonics to lift the craft .. But we have a tone to lift and only 100 watts to lift it ... ahhahahahahah
So all we need to do is !!!!!!!!!!!! close this hole !!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahah do I tel or ??? keep my mouth shut ???? hahaha
How do you work out the harmonic of a shape ? inside a gravity hole ? hahahahah
Ive bought my moon boots but the space suite is $20 000 000 HAHAH THATS JUST TO MUCH MAN AHAHAHAHHAHA LOL
Regards
93RDELEMENT
@93RDELEMENT
What is the common aspects of your messages content and the "Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos"? Did you sense the discrepancy or you don't even have this ability?
Why don't open a new topic to discuss about HAARP, tornadoes and other aspects you are interested in? Why is so hard to understand this topic needs to be kept clean and only related to magnetism? Is this beyond your understanding?
And a last suggestion to you: try to study the original Mendeleev periodic table of elements, in which there is a zero element... so you become eventualy the 94th element... or nothing! And more important is WHY?
SaDAng
Quote from: Acca on September 02, 2014, 06:09:08 PM
Nuts for energy transmutation...using magnets !!!
This video i just made should make you laugh your ass off
VIDEO 84 WORLDS LARGEST DIAMAGNETIC LEVITATION TEST !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhtVmSgKVCc ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
$3400 worth of bismuth, 175 POUNDS
and a $1000 magnet
Im surprised it didnt FALL THRU THE FLOOR TO THE BASEMENT!!!!
I have 800 pounds MORE i could have STACKED UP , ;D ;D ;D ;D but that definitively would have fallen thru the floor to the basement
Nothing like a sense of humor
Sadang ! Get your head round it son ! Everything in the universe is driven by a vortex of magnetic flux ! Including a tornado atomic field micro sub particle field ect ect ect ! I had a close consultation with TA as to the facts of entropy to help him confirm a magnetic vortex possibility around the edge of a magnet . To which he than took a visual for a heat signal and found a heat entropy reading and we now look at the picture of H proton that gravity block found and to that I found the evidence for a hole in the top of the proton its a magnetic vortex controlling the electron field .
What is your contribution ?????? nothing !!!!!!!!!!!!! You just jumped in here spouting mumbo jumbo insults in a confused manner and think you know me and my reason to be here ! I am a scientist son a real one old school but very active funded and far from stupid ! Tornadoes are a subject that need a new approach and one that a magnetic vortex and the study of it would in fact help in the search for a technology solution to control such a monster in fact I hope to stop a tornado from forming in the first place ..
The second global problem I am looking at is the radiation problem from the japan reactor leakage into the sea its now such a big problem that the sea life are now forming mutant DNA ....THE SOLUTION TO THIS EVIL IS IN MAGNETISM a magnetic vortex would indeed help to sweep up the radiation to an isolated area for collection ... At this point this problem no threatens the world oceans as its starting to leak out from its position and that my son is the end of all natural life in the sea in less than 100 years .. Governments have all put there head in the sand and hope the problem will just go away ! A bit like how I now fill about you son !
The last part of my research in a magnetic vortex is flying saucers they would be a very important tool for the work I am now doing and I am now able to see how I would use them for land sea and air ! A magnetic vortex would indeed change the way we see a flying saucer working in fact if it was to become a reality one could change time and space above such a craft in a way that would generate a zero gravity field around the craft .
Also A magnetic vortex would also help in the cures for many cancers by doping the cancer with iron and platinum than vortex a very fast magnetic field over the cancer ... It would burn out the cancer cells and would be a safer way to deal with the problem than many of the so called treatment's that are out there also many drugs could become more effective with such a vortex ! In one of my experiment's I increase the growth rate of plants with oscillating magnetic fields in fact some fish grow much bigger !
Genetics has an interest in such a vortex in fact I can see almost everyone on the planet would benefit from such a vortex ! Controlling the magnetic vortex on the proton would permit transmutation of mass in such a way that mass could be shrunk down in size ! Imagine the movement of water or oil milk food ect in a smaller vessel ! Its endless !
Now than son does that keep you happy ????? what are you going to do with a magnetic vortex ???? Look at it ??? What else ??? nothing ???
Why are you here ??? Is your negative irritation not required else where ??? Try scratching the hole you got and see how you can get your head out of it I am sure the s,,t in you son stinks but your head is so stuck up you a,,e you can smell it son . Try some high voltage with nail gun hahahaha
Don't speak to me ever again about your empty thoughts bias dysfunctional world unless you un block the problem that you now have ! The best thing for you son is a trip to a floating radioactive waste dump now floating on the sea and trust me your only protection will be the magnetic vortex I am now building ..... Its the only one on the planet that might just save all the life in the sea ! In fact if the birds keep eating the small fish and than have a dump on land its going to infect everything including you son ....
As you can see I am very active but not yet radio active ok ! Now go and cry its the only way to lubricate the hole you got your head stuck in !!!
LOL XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Regards
93rdElement
Sorry for off topic
@ 93RDELEMENT
I'm curious why leave white space below the writing unnecessarily lengthening the pages?. :D
Leo48
Quote from: leo48 on September 04, 2014, 04:58:22 AM
Sorry for off topic
@ 93RDELEMENT
I'm curious why leave white space below the writing unnecessarily lengthening the pages?. :D
Leo48
because hes a half-baked demented lunatic
@93RDELEMENT
I'm very aware about the helical dynamics and interactions of everything of what we call reality. And I suppose more deeper than you comprehend right now! So you don't tell me nothing new with your vision about vortex technologies and your way to save the world! Just childish dreams! Especially using the magnetic vortex, as long as magnetism is not understood correctly.
I watched from the beginning this topic, and I saw what you posted, including your "collaboration" with Ken about the magnetic vortex and the debate on his FLIR movie. What I see is just a materialistic point of view from an arogant "scientist", far from the true nature of an real scientist which have more doubts than certainties. Read twice this phrase... maybe will sense the truth behind it! I still appreciate your intentions, but definitely disagree your language and dictionary. You really have to learn the meaning of word "reciprocal respect".
"Magnetism does not operate by centrifugal movement alone because, while magnetism is definitionally polarized, it moves as pressure dictates it must; its centripetal movement is governed by dielectric inertial pressures of the Ether in self-seeking equilibrium out of space and time back to the counterspatial. Counterspace definitionally is the 0-point fulcrum from which all fields are manifest, either atrributionally as polarized in magnetism, or centripetally and radially as in dielectricity, or in stable formats as matter itself."
A phrase from Ken's book which I quoted in one of my previous message when Ken said all energies and movement MUST have a fulcrum, and CW and CCW are just pressure mediation around a NULL fulcrum. This phrase remained with no response. Sad because based on truth contained in it, we can redefine our entire so-called reality and implicitly ourselves, at some values much closer to its and our true intrinsic nature.
And my last message to you is to try to redefine the terms as life, live and to live (and others will come for sure if you really lean on this matter) in the context of a non empty space (or what we call space) of which you are part of, and only after that come here with your materialistic point of view! Until then just stay away from this topic and continue to post on antigravity and ufo topics. Maybe we will meet there also... if I'll have time for them!
SaDAng
Quote from: Acca on September 02, 2014, 06:09:08 PM
Nuts for energy transmutation...using magnets !!!
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UFO Star coil nuclear reactor...below....!!!! Ha Ha.... Ha....!!!!
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Hi , nice video !
This one about levitation , if you look at the wave ist clearly god`s fingerprint , if i am not mistaken they are at 1/4 of the wave ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD89Mu-cgpg
Childish dreams that I am paid to create are what the world needs ! I have a magnetic vortex that sweeps radioactive waste into its core ! In my system I make a ring of 12 ferrite magnets with there opposing fields forced together and they slowly deplete without heat or entropy increase ... In the core of the 10 meter ring is a large iron ball coated in special fibbers that trap the radioactive waste . The fields that brake away spin towards the iron core sweeping up the radiation ... That's a world first radioactive sweeper son ! You tend to get all jealous a mind set so instinctive to nonsense little boy head games no reality to deal with just your fat brain cells to feed ...
Regards
93rd
Materialistic point of view ???? hahah your dam right son I need 20 billion to make a difference to the problem of radioactive waste in the sea off japan ! Keep that rocking in your brain you tiny little speck of worthless rubbish ... Now I am setting up a harmonic around the edge of the magnetic to set free the field let it spin son faster than light and If I make that work the budget rockets down the scale !
You seem to have a hatred to scientists ??? why ??? is it that your stupid self is just so empty of knowledge that the only thing in your life is you just you the world to you is on the internet . I have another technology in my lab son its the fastest way to grow plants on the planet and yes its got a magnet in it ! The world will soon be to dam expensive for the poor people of the world to buy food so they will have to grow it at home .. Or eat bugs like you !
Get real son your sounding like a little kid who skewers he's negative thoughts onto a dart board with pictures of the ones who make the world a better place ! You
need a head shrink and a good one try sticking it in a microwave oven it will do you the world of good . But no doubt your head is so empty of anything worth anything the only thing it will cook is that ugly look on your face when you read this ...
Regards
93rd
TA we want to give you the complete set of harmonics for the periodic table and light also in exchange for that and I must say its far more than you can ever imagine ! If you were to take a picture in one of you lenses of 2 opposing field ferrite magnets to see if the geometrics are spinning it would again be a worlds first and very important ... We have also mad a free energy magnet with a study of one of your pictures ....
Thanks !
Regards
93rd
TA you have gone to far son there is no chance on this planet that you are going to suspend that over expensive lump ! Not a hope in 3 monkeys walking into a pub and asking for rum and coke two pint of larger and a packet of nuts .... And you call me a lunatic hahahahhaha
No doubt you had to buy the oven to melt it down and now think your going to make something worth something ???? What on this earth are you going to do with it ???? It can not do anything so what the point ??????
Inventing is not a game you choose a problem and invent something to solve the problem now son I am worried about you ! What you have made looks like a cake ARE YOU GOING TO EAT IT HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH
You Americans are all mad !! HAHAHAHAHA !! BONKERS !! A fruit slice in a chip shop ahahah
So by the time you suspend this lump its going to cost you $5000 hahahahahahahaha !
No wonder area 51 cost you 2 trillion and you still don't have one flying saucer ahhahahahaah
I am convinced the Russians are behind the chem trails and they have put something in the water supply hahahahah No wonder its always an English man that invents everything hahahhahahaha .......
So what we are doing now is taking bets on that TA is either going to eat that lump or will never suspend it and has no plan what to do with it hahahahahahahhahahahahahah
If your going to make a burger with that son you will need two of them hahahahahhahaha
No I think TA has made the world most expensive door stop or paper weight ! But the men in white coats are just round the corner if it all goes tits up hahahahahahahahahahah
YOUR A FRUIT AND NUT SON
BUT WE LOVE U
ME
There still seems a long way to go! Many years since Newton and there's still
a debate going on about the constant of gravitation.
What about tensor networks entangled with quantum gravity?
There's certainly spin to be had, it's got my head into one.
John.
quantum doesnt exist, there is also a CO-gravitational field.
See the book Co-gravitation by Dr. O. Jefimenko
this is based on Heavisides work.
Quantum doesn't exist ????????? your a nut job in a bank job with a fruit hahahahahha You tried to turn Maxwell's vortex into a vacuum now you want to turn the Einstein reality of space time curvature in to what a wave hahahahahahhahahahahahahaha spin hahahahahhahahahahahhahahah On no you wont !!!!! I wont let you !!!!!
Your hate for Einstein is going to drown all your attempts to understand truth so if I were you I would stick to magnets !!! Entanglement is not for you son you will tie it up in knots hahahahahhahahahaha Time is gravity that all it is slow down time and you create a hole a gravity hole speed up time and you slow down light .. Its that simple ! To generate a zero gravity and I mean zero gravity not anti gravity as that does not exist and CERN are looking for it but only to confirm it does not exist because they have nothing else to do .. And don't include electro gravity as that does not exist either .... You can lift an object off the ground with electricity by making it a charged mass that is attracted tot he ionosphere or interstellar energy or both ....
To generate zero gravity you have to generate another gravity hole above you so there for gravity is zero !!! ok !!! I know this to be true because I make them ....... Cleaver hay oh year baby TA very dam cleaver !!! leave that one alone its not a magnet you will be looking for stick with electro gravity its a myth a voodoo charm a non potentium neoplodidium incontquential a non math over gravity so no electro gravity just electro magnetics ..........
To create a gravity hole you have to be as cleaver as ET and wow he's talented ! And seem to like the pacific ocean mmmmmmm I wonder what he is doing there ???????? The last time I had my eyes on ET he was running around the English country side levitating plastic bins hahahaha its on video ...... They chased him with a stupid helicopter hahahahhaha ET has decided to make this world hes .... For keeps !!! ET does not like humans one little bit ..... Oh no In fact from some of the information I have ET has made terms already to the British government and to the American government ...... I believe we turned down the ET demand ..........
In fact we are now at war with ET ............... That is not funny !!!! There is MORE ETS THAN HUMANS in the solar system !!!!
No son I want you to be abducted and implanted until you except that Einstein was right about space time curvature and keep your resist mouth shut ... for ever !!!
Why do you think I am here son ????????? To play magnets ??????????? no son I am hear to scare the living daylight out of you until you start to listen ........... Than get ready to do a runner and run as far away from Yellowstone as you can ! But before you do that take the hot magnet we gave you or led you to and head towards yellow stone with that magnet ! Just check every 100 miles as the crow fly's the surface temperature of that magnet ...
If you get a small constant increase in its temperature let me know and I will point to where the problem is coming from !!!
No doubt your response will be full of shit and abuse as usual But I don't give a fuck any more son I am far to busy copying ET and keeping my eye on everything he is up to ......... Do you like chips hahahahhahahahah trust me son when they put one in you and they will your life will be there to do with what ever they want to ..... Don't panic just say these magic words ...
Its a fucking ALIEN invasion get me out of here hahahahahahahhaha The thing is humans are so selfish greedy evil twisted cheating lying murdering creepy stuck up and pathetic that they probably need a chip or to sort them out .... Yellow stone is now a target zone for ET technology ...... I wonder why ???????????
Good luck !!!
Regards
The 93rd Element
Please no more private messages I wont read them if you want to tel me something do here for all to read !
I don't talk shit ! Or waste my time with dumb stupid theories I understand the universe in fact I understand everything its my job to know the right from the wrong ... For most of you truth is confusing because of all the mad theories you keep reading or inventing ??? why ???
What does this mean 9
It will very soon become the most important number you will ever learn ! Do I have to teach you ????? Get your act sorted out don't waste my time or yours ...................................... and get ready its going to be fun hahahah lol xxxxxxxxx
Regards
The best there is
God! No one can stop 93element to post here all these nonsenses? This forum don't have an admin or moderator, to stop him posting here these long and totally useless posts?
Quote from: sadang on September 08, 2014, 02:49:01 PM
God! No one can stop 93element to post here all these nonsenses? This forum don't have an admin or moderator, to stop him posting here these long and totally useless posts?
Hes a demented SOB.
Goodness knows what kind of fucked up medication he is on.
Just some variety of typical mental defective.
I don't care about what medication he take, or about his mental state, I care about this topic which is diluted and poluted by his posts! This topic is about your theory and not about his ramblings!
sadang,
You're just wasting space too.
I enjoy reading what everyone has to say and then I make up my own mind.
This is a most interesting topic and if people stop posting it'll just disappear.
I'm not a physicist, I'm a retired farmer but I'm enjoying this and learning as
well.
John.
Talk about dumb and sad hahahahah no logic no truth no science no maths nothing hahahaha And you keep on about GOD hahahahhahahaha let me tel something I am a free man I am not a number ....
TA YOUR GOD DOGMA is magnetic ......
Are you frightened of truth does it make you fill sick hahaha Go to the home page here what do you see ??? Hollywood ??? Or truth ????
You want to learn a false reality and than teach it to the blind ! Not with me around ! You have to except the freedom of the good not the idiot who manipulates lies cheats and re invents the work of others ....
We have your book and all the racist remarks insults lies mistruths cons errors and mistakes ! And you wrote a book hahahahhahah
Oh what day is it when a monkey is more advanced than a human ???? LAW is the strong arm here they know me as the one of truth a defender o truth and a master of physics .....
You cant have a public promotion here with out excepting that some may find what you teach a bunch of rotten apples and false nonsense made to pull the wall over the eyes of sheep who no better !
Now the quatoum ! Its not what you think it is it is in fact what it is don't change the goal posts so you can score a goal ! You don't know what the quatoum is or what it does so you state it does not exist ,,, This is my page ! NOT YOURS ! I write from my free mind and experience of all that is and beyond ...
Madness is a mind in dispute with its self read what you say and you will see your reflections written as like a mad man in pursuit of knowledge written as a bind idiot in a world of light ,, My rules are the rules of the universe ! They are not mine to own or manipulate or re write ... These rules are the foundation stones of a truth that has power beyond man ..
Let us experiment with the quatoum a few miracles will get you to see beyond your self !
My job is here and now ! I am the master ! not the student as like you ! When I speak I speak the truth ! You fear the truth but son I am the hardest rock you will ever meet . When I make a statement don't throw a snow ball at it for it is a hard rock and a very hot one ....
Challenge me to truth not a petty personal set of politics with rules to only suit you or your inadequacy to know a truth from your own set of lies ! You insult Einstein so let me introduce Einstein to you as the living dead ! Than you can insult him and he's great
works in person .. I add space to my words to give you time to think !
If your right than there is no living dead and you have nothing to fear !!! Now challenge the living dead again and insult them once more ...................... And you will not sleep well son !!! Lets channel Einstein in an EVP experiment !!!
Science is fact over fiction not personal petty politics over insults and a hidden lack of knowledge ! Do you fear ET and what ET is doing ???????? I will show you son what a real magnetic vortex is ....... Now except this challenge or except the quatoum and ET as real .... OR GO BACK TO YOUR MUM and cry !!!
Regards
the 93rdElement
User 93RDELEMENT please read the post in 1990 and answer please ..
I can not live without that answer .. :'(
Leo48
leo48 listen !
This is not a time to make false judgement or place your head in the sand and fart into the wind for the wind of humanity is already full of wind haha Take a close look at the home page here about UFOs what do you see ? I see many craft on the sea bed and they are there doing something with the magma at the thinnest part of the earths crust .. The craft have an ability to make energy from water by the vortex of the H atom .... More power than anything ever though up by a monkey !
They are real not a deep sea magma burst as they do not flow or move or change in colour or the sea full of steam !! These UFOs Have been very busy prior to the experiment with our planet ! We watched them very closely and learn there hidden secrets only to now watch them do as they wish when they want to ... That is not polite !
They are making a magma wave but why ???????
The quatoum that TA is now trying to destroy is our open channel with them and all other dimensions so we speak listen and learn !
The secrets of 9 is what you must find up load all you can and read !!! than you are permitted to mail me and I will share with you knowledge wisdom reality abundance love and friendship ........
RESPECT
Regards
The 93rdEelement
Quote from: minnie on September 08, 2014, 04:11:05 PM
sadang,
You're just wasting space too.
I enjoy reading what everyone has to say and then I make up my own mind.
This is a most interesting topic and if people stop posting it'll just disappear.
I'm not a physicist, I'm a retired farmer but I'm enjoying this and learning as
well.
John.
I am in agreement with 'minnie'...I prefer to hear to hear all ideas.
You just never know when another idea will be triggered from the thoughts of someone else.
Regards...
Quote from: minnie on September 08, 2014, 04:11:05 PM
sadang,
You're just wasting space too.
I enjoy reading what everyone has to say and then I make up my own mind.
This is a most interesting topic and if people stop posting it'll just disappear.
I'm not a physicist, I'm a retired farmer but I'm enjoying this and learning as
well.
John.
Yes John, you are right! Sorry for the space wasted on this topic, but not endure to see the nonsense that 93element writes. I have my own ability and knowledge to choose a correct information from a flood of nonsense, and I prefer opinions based on logic, not nonsense or dogmas with scientific flavor. I'm sick of apparent miracles, I just want deep explanations!
And ultimately it's Ken's topic and should be discussed about his theory and how he sees magnetism, and why he sees it in this way! But I see everyone denigrate him, because he has the courage to attack the official "titans" of physics, aka Einstein, Feynman and others! There's something wrong with that? I don't believe it! As is not understood by the majority of people is something natural when overthrow an entire system of "values", an entire paradigm of thinking! But this is not a reason to flood his topic with nonsense posts! This looks like something completely different, not mere expression of opinions!
This is my last waste of space!
Whatever!
Take PESN. For example, any comments they don't like get censored and it's about
ruined the thing.
The great thing about this forum is that you can say pretty much what you want to.
If you don't like what I write - just skip it.
Don't kill the topic, anyone with any sense can see what's goin' on.
John.
When I hear nonsense they get a nonsense reply ! Attack Einstein and say that the Jews are the scourge o humanity and hitter did a goo job to wipe them out and than have no idea of magnetism no logic in that is there . Where is the magnetic vortex and the so called secrets of magnetism? There are none here ! Not by KEN ... I had to tell him to do an entropy test o e neo magnet just so he could see its a vacuum And not vortex !
You just sick of the abuse after a while and the make it up science is a joke !!!! An applies a fruit not a rock and to me there is no nonsense about the UfOs in the pacific or there reality .
So the secrets of 9 is nonsense to than ???? Why don't you look it up and study the vortex it makes let alone the rest and is to be the most important advancement in science .... Science is not a game to re invent the rules or to e used as a tool to abuse te dead .And u complain about the page space hahahahah look at what ken does.
The thread never owned by anyone it the topic that is o be e boss here not ken and hes dumb stupid book that is so full of rubbish make it up laws and unified gibberish its a threat to the minds that no no better .. No sir I am an English man and play to the rules that govern cricket and if you change the rule of play than its not cricket ..
Freedom to science depends on the laws of physics not the idiot ........
I never lie or cheat no sir I am a gentleman and a real scientist and will always defend the truth in science so help me GOD !
93RD
Quote from: minnie on September 08, 2014, 05:16:05 PM
Don't kill the topic, anyone with any sense can see what's goin' on.
John.
93RD is just a batshit insane lunatic. goodness knows what pills hes on.
Hes just noise and belongs in a padded room somewhere on a valium drip.
People like him are a dime a dozen , just a garden variety lunatic dumbass.
So far I have put together about 45 pages more on the book
bad news is I have notes for about 100 more pages Ill have to add to the 4th edition.
...................................stop this crazy talk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK TA I am going to kick your arse son so hard you are going to end up in the pacific !!! you idiot lost soul !!! Talk about dumb you son are a lot more a dummy than a plastic melt zone of nothingness ...
Come on than son let heat it up and get some real action going !!! you don't know the secret of the 9 do you ! You my sn will now learn it as I am going to shovel it down your big hole . You will eat it every day of your life son !
What r u ????????? I am a solid rock of knowledge power authority and am here for a reason and its not your dumb arse empty book of tricks ............................... now challenge me ! See only what I will show you and for once keep your mouth shout this is to dam important to right ....
There is an ALIEN bass on the sea bed of the pacific its at the thinnest point of the earth crust they chose that position for strategic reasons and prior to that they landed at a military base here in the UK ... Now listen you stupid empty head trickster its time you found a purpose in your life beyond a stupid magnet ...
I have the ability to produce £20 000 000 in 9 months if Scotland goes independent and its my job to develop a global research and development centre ....... And its purpose is to build advance technologies based on the secrets of the 9 .
Don't fuck with me son ! JUST SART THE NEWYOU BY THE TIME YOU READ THIS !
I am the best there is in the world of new physics and will only prove that by what I make but I have no ambition to sit on my arse ad just let a fucking Alien take over my world and war is not an option we got no chance ... If you just new a tiny bit of what they can do it would change you for ever just like its done to me ..
They are masters of the secrets of the 9 and I am close behind them very fucking close ! NOW CHALLANGE ME ONLY ON WHAT I TEL YOU ! I wont lie or cheat or hold back anything but I will not put up with a creepy lazy pathetic twisted idiot that shots him self in the foot every day .
Yu clean out your mouth son or I will do fucking understand me ! Now as you challenge me to produce the evidence and solid facts expect I will challenge you ....I am not alone in fact I am many and they wait as I do for the green light !
Now except we as a humanity are all different and we may find our worlds colliding together but its for a very important reason ..... our planet is also dyeing and no Alien will help with that they are here for them self's only ! I hoped to find magnetic vortex but you don't have one so I made one not a vey good one but its a beginning .
Also I have the either bubble and zero gravity with the most advanced free energy technology ever made by man .......
Now challenge me come on you twisted empty brain with a cocked up simulated tornado you dum idiot freak !! You want the secrets to magnetism ???? why ?????? what are you going to do with them ???? nothing because you don't know what to do with them do you ,,,, Do I sound like I sound am talking shit ??? No I fucking am not son !!! Now grow up fast stick to the rules and find purpose in everything or you end up with nothing .... Your book is empty of truth and not one qualified scientist will back it up because its written by you ! A PHD in fucking philosophy MY GOD HOW THE FUCK DID YOU DO IT ????????
You couldn't mediate a needle through the hole in your arse without shouting abuse at it first is that your fuck up philosophy or are you a real nut case one who needs a needle with a large dose of logic provided by me ! Stick to the rules boy and from here on act like a gentleman an walk your talk like I have to !
I will present everything I say as fact over fiction reality over chaos and truth beyond any reasonable doubt ! That is what I am here for !!! Now put your secrets on the table and your money or you are a fake !!!
Regards
93rd
There is a lot of information out there that it is very hard to digest by one single person. Based on the 40 hour job a week, family, entertainment...hobbies. It is very hard to put all of the pieces of the puzzles together. One only has Time to just master one certain thing but not everything. like a cell in a body....when the body gets hurt like a wound for example, the cells in the outer skin take action and try to repair it based on their "understanding" what to do = masters of skin repairing. The same cell cannot understand how to repair a heart thou because that cell requires the understanding of other "rules".
Same with human minds...all human mind are cells....one human brain works on the architectural...another works on the coding the software...or building the pens and pencils to write...another brain works on simplifying the vocabulary....in essence one brain cannot do everything. an architect cannot write software programs...a doctor cannot fix an automotive engine...etc.
We have so much evidence that it needs people to sort out the facts from truth...where are those people? I believe there are none....there is no moding/supervising facts from fiction. SO we are all left to come up with our own conclusions.
The attitude that 93rdelement is giving out is like as if he understands everything. Like if he has a "solution" for something. Well, if you do, LETS SEE IT! Don't just come over hear and preach like you have something going on when you don't even show pictures. You can't even make a tornado and yet you speak like you can make a UFO and hover with no gasoline.
It seems more like you have a crush on TA more than anything.
Don't get me wrong, based on the evidence I have seen, there is such an anti gravity craft out there....the UFOs, as in vehicles from other planets do work....but the humans cannot master it yet because it requires 100's and 100's of years fro "on-the-job-work-experience" in that. For example, this guys gives clues on how to make an anty gravity vehicle....
http://youtu.be/2bWWx-zqoTg?t=39m17s
Still, lets say one can make such a vehicle...the body still needs to "EVOLVE" in order to live in a massless world....or at least to be able to tolerate it....so you will just make an airplane with out wings and gasoline but still your body needs to evolve to be able to survive the trip....like riding on a boat and you throw up due to the motion of and down. It would just be a toy to play here in the earth IMO. So we have two kinds of UFOs, military and from outer spaced mixed together that people record. That is to me 100% real. NO ifs and whats about it...but knowing that helps me in what? I'm past beyond skeptic...am at the point to lets welcome them with open arms...give them cookies, make a station so they can fuel in or allow them to rent a hotel to spend a few weeks, months, yrs, here in earth. Go camping together....encouraging them to share their knowledge to us....to teach us who is the their enemy race...for a professional to decode their language so we can communicate.....etc...etc...
Still, how does that help global warming? How does that help stopping wars? How does that help at all? What you believe to have figured out i'm pretty sure someone else has...but your just a little piece of the whole puzzle.
93rd, show evidence of what you are speaking about?
How soon people forget that cabal paid "scientists" were caught falsifying their so called "evidence" of global warming.
Thats when they changed the name of their scam to "climate change".
Wake up, leave the short attention span theater...now !
Regards...
"How soon people forget that cabal paid "scientists" were caught falsifying their so called "evidence" of global warming."
I don't understand why "intelligent" people find it hard to believe that the earth...the way it is headed...is not being harmed at all....blows my mind.
It is being harmed in the atmosphere...it is being harm in the waters...it is being harmed in the land scape....it is being harmed in the air....how hard is it to understand such primitive understanding?
I mean simulate that shyt in your computer progrma and see how evolution takes it's course....hmmm...let me use my brain to predict the outcome....mass extinction like history has taught us. Where the whole exposed land is covered with cities and no place to glow vegetables that are needed to have a healthy digestion...we would have to evolve to learn how to live with out vegetables...etc etc.
it is all so basic that you can experiment in your garage to see the future...heck...we use poison to kill insect infestations...well i'm going deep in the subject...
Just imagine when this earth stops having land to keep on expanding?
Even on cigarette smoked in side my house can stick up the whole house...after a while, from seeing those addicts, everything turns yellow and there is a layer of smoke on everything air touches....just based on that...how can't smoke not "influence" other particles in the air as to prevent them from not...lets say...protect us from the harmful sun rays? OR, not Influence rays that are suppose to get out, get out easy get stuck in "traffic"?.....everyone can see this...the ones that don't are optimistic. but that will not give you the real answer to the solution.
The only complexity is the one we make buy permitting the mind to believe that human life is complex ! Is not ! JUST STOP ! LET T GO ! I have it all abundant free energy a personal anti ageing bio computer government funding and a science that explains everything ......
Freedom starts with the one ! And I chose to be the one ! That was the easy part the hard part is to stop my computer from being controlled by someone else .......
Email me 0.atommix@gmail.com
Re
93rd
This is the reason why I left this bullshit forum, too much bullshit.
Quote from: gravityblock on August 18, 2014, 07:18:55 AM
Actually, your original reply to Floor's post was in regards to comparing the difference in strength between the center/edge of a PM to the center/edge of a similiar EM, and not between the two poles of the same PM, as shown in the image below. That is why I suggested to do a test with the curl meter also, to see if there were any differences between between the center/edge of a PM and an EM.
Gravock
Quote from: sadang on August 18, 2014, 07:49:24 AM
Yes indeed, it was my mistake! Sorry! But of course, I'm also interested in this kind of comparative measurements. And I'll do these and others, whose results will be made public.
SaDAng
Hi Gravock,
Here is the first experiment for measurements of the strength of N and S poles of a permanent magnet. Yes indeed, there is a difference of about 25 Gauss at their max values between N and S poles of a magnet, But also I got a proof of the shape of the magnetic field according to Ken's theory. External and internal fields opposed as polarity.
[img=http://s8.postimg.org/yq59475zl/Untitled1.jpg] (http://postimg.org/image/yq59475zl/full/)
SaDAng
@ minnie
I'm trying to contact you via messages. I don't know if they are delivered to your inbox.
Contact me, is important.
overunitt
been very busy on the new book
GREAT NEWS is its only 10 days away or so from being out....., and also great that its about 200 pages (well see)
BAD NEWS........I only got around to inserting about 1/4 of what i desperately WANTED to, but quality takes time, its ALL THERE, but will have to be put into the 4th edition
GOOD NEWS..........I have ALL THE DATA for at least another 200 pages (likely more)
and i mean QUALITY DATA.......
BAD NEWS, its murdering my arse to assemble it all.
So, about another 90 or so pages added within a few days
ALAS!!!!!!!! Its only about 1/4 of what I had intended to add, but the rest IS THERE already laying before my feet as it were....., I just have to assemble and insert it for a 4th edition. >:( >:( ;D
Ferrocell image of broken ring magnet:
Hi Ken,
I'm very pleased about your latest news. I can not wait to read the latest version of your book! Impressive image of the magnetic field of a broken magnet. And very hard to interpret all that colors!
Here is a excel graph of 10 N-S overlapping lines of magnetic field strength of the same magnet used in the previous experiment, moved over a specific distance, with a specific step, and at a set of specific heights.
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on September 15, 2014, 02:57:26 PM
Hi Ken,
I'm very pleased about your latest news. I can not wait to read the latest version of your book! Impressive image of the magnetic field of a broken magnet. And very hard to interpret all that colors!
Here is a excel graph of 10 N-S overlapping lines of magnetic field strength of the same magnet used in the previous experiment, moved over a specific distance, with a specific step, and at a set of specific heights.
SaDAng
Lovely work!!!!!!! ;) ;) ;)
Ultimately the entire system is a hyperboloid as explained in the 3rd edition.
Im adding about 100 pages to the 3rd edition
the BAD news (for me anyway) is that I didnt get to add 1/4 of ALL I wanted to add for the 3rd edition >:( >:(
GOOD news is that its ALL THERE, ready for the 4th edition.
ultimately it might be around 400 or so pages.
3rd edition is very "picture" heavy and the VERY heavy (so to say) nitty gritty , most of it must be left for the 4th etc editions.
IF YOU WANT, I can add your data (WITH only your permission of course) to the 3rd edition and give you FULL CREDITS ,.....name etc etc etc .
But that is your call Keep experimenting, awesome work!!
3RD EDITION UPLOADED
www.kathodos.com/magnetismsmall.pdf
236 PAGES
37 Megabytes
another DOWNLOAD SITE HERE (in case you have issues downloading it):
https://ia902502.us.archive.org/31/items/magnetism1small/magnetism1small.pdf
Sorry that I only got around to (there is just SO MUCH MATERIAL TO ADD!!!) to adding 1/4 or so of what I intended this edition
but i HAVE the material, and I WILL add it all to the 4th edition.
Well done ... so long awaited gem :-) !
Thanks TA.
nathan
Quote from: nathan97 on September 19, 2014, 04:03:58 AM
Well done ... so long awaited gem :-) !
Thanks TA.
nathan
Oh hell, I didnt get to add 1/4TH what I wanted to. Not enough time.
BUT I DO HAVE IT ALL TO ADD, and will.................
then again i did add 100 pages , however a bit too visual this edition, picture O -rama
its just an enormous pile to sift thru and add.
Great work Ken! Another month of intense reading and thinking!
Thanks,
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on September 21, 2014, 08:40:49 AM
Great work Ken! Another month of intense reading and thinking!
Thanks,
SaDAng
found something new, well, not new but something nobody has seen before. Of course proved it was there a dozen diff ways, but now a NEW WAY to see inverse polarity spin by concentrating the field inside a ring magnet
get inverse spin in movement off either side in rotation under the FERROCELL. So, can now see inverse polarity spin with LED light
There was this thing published in Physical Review letters on 16'th sept about time
dilation and how they'd measured it to unprecedented accuracy.
Seems to go along with the thinking of that "idiot" Einstein.
Any comments anyone?
John.
Quote from: minnie on September 26, 2014, 09:47:36 AM
There was this thing published in Physical Review letters on 16'th sept about time
dilation and how they'd measured it to unprecedented accuracy.
Seems to go along with the thinking of that "idiot" Einstein.
Any comments anyone?
John.
Obviously those "measurements" are faked. Who reads "Physical Review Letters" anyway? And Einstein! What an idiot! He never invented a posture chair for fat people, did he? Therefore.... VORTEX!
Quote from: TinselKoala on September 26, 2014, 02:52:48 PM
Obviously those "measurements" are faked. Who reads "Physical Review Letters" anyway? And Einstein! What an idiot! He never invented a posture chair for fat people, did he? Therefore.... VORTEX!
Sometimes I don't clearly understand when you are surely joking, Mr. Tinselkoala. But, you don't really matter re Special Relativity, in this specific instance.
In another Forum, Anti-Relativity, I have already published a number of Special Relativity Paradoxes which have demolished the believability of the wrong theory Special Relativity. In specific different Threads, I have refuted SR Time Dilation, SR Length Contraction, and, SR Mass Increase.
And, at my usual leisurely pace, I am languidly preparing my Special Relativity Magnum Opus, which I have amusingly named A Relativity Lesson, a dissection of Unca Albert's "Relativity Of Simultaneity". When it is published there there will be no remaining question about whether Special Relativity is a complete fraud.
Uhhh, yes, I'm claiming SR is a complete fraud.
Best Regards
CANGAS
CANGAS 84
- https://pdf.yt/d/92pJGWan1Ahl5Xoe
Only for those interested in this sick joke called Special and/or General Relativity! Just a little game of some big men, considering it occurs in exactly the same "scientific" paradigm!
Hey TA I have not had time to read your PDF but I wanted to get your opinion on this. I was playing with my camera today and I pointed the lends to it's screen and I got the following:
http://youtu.be/-p-y0WDhfU0
To me I can see a vortex going on, clockwise anti-clockwise. I turn the camera to the right and in the screen it turns to the left, I turn the camera to the left and the image in the screen turns to the right.
I can clearly see a vortex in the screen at certain points in the video but I don't understand what is going on. Just thought I would share since I see vortex all over the place.
How can this be explained if you know, thanks.
Hi joel321,
could please elaborate on the actual setup ... I'm struggling in understanding what you are actually recording ,...
Thanks,
nathan
CERN. has been going for sixty years this week. Workers there brought us the
touch screen and internet, but what of their research? If quantum and particles
don't exist, what the hell else have they been doin' for all that time?
John.
How about try in' "virtual photons in electromagnetism" by Marcus Reid, should be
a good reid?
John.
Quote from: minnie on September 30, 2014, 10:46:16 AM
CERN. has been going for sixty years this week. Workers there brought us the
touch screen and internet, but what of their research? If quantum and particles
don't exist, what the hell else have they been doin' for all that time?
John.
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Those mental midget SOBs at CERN, theyre nothing but a MONEY FUNNEL to keep promising the "secret" to shit they invent to begin with.
Quote from: CANGAS on September 27, 2014, 01:34:21 AM
In another Forum, Anti-Relativity, I have already published a number of Special Relativity Paradoxes which have demolished the believability of the wrong theory Special Relativity. In specific different Threads, I have refuted SR Time Dilation, SR Length Contraction, and, SR Mass Increase.
CANGAS 84
KUDOS on your great work, in short order this PATHETIC lie of Relativity will die quickly. Its a demented farce.
Well, I JUST FOUND this, and am both pissed I didnt find this passage from Tesla MUCH EARLIER,
but ALSO VERY VERY HAPPY that Tesla agrees with me, that Light CANNOT BE merely a transverse EM phenomena.
Its just *#()@! impossible.
Also found a WONDERFUL new quote (new to me) from Tesla:
"Seldom if ever has an original idea of consequence been born in an elaborate laboratory. The egg of science is laid in the nest of solitude. True it may later be incubated, hatched and nursed in the million dollar laboratory. Be alone, that is the secret of invention, be alone! That is where ideas are born."- Nikola Tesla
TESLA ON LIGHT, basically the VERY SAME THING I concluded in my book, that light is ABSOLUTELY not merely transverse EM phenomena, rather has a Z-axis radial dielectric component.
He KEEPS saying light is a LONGITUDINAL disturbance, with OBVIOUS resultant transverse ATTRIBUTES.
ALL of this is the very same thing I concluded before finding this passage from Tesla, that ALL transverse components of light are merely attributes of what is a RADIAL (or Teslas longitudinal, same thing!!) Ether modality.
IN short, all the BS which conclude that LIGHT is transverse EM, is pure twaddle, it cannot be, we are taking the attributes of LIGHT, the E and M components and concluding THAT is light, but its not, its merely the attribute OF light, but NOT LIGHT ITSELF
from the book TESLA SAID:
download it here:
Library Genesis: Nikola Tesla, John T. Ratzlaff - Tesla Said
Hi Ken,
Your theory of light, based on ether and its features, seen and understood as something of which we are part of, not as something external to our existence, is much closer to John Worrell Keely sympathetic fields theory and work, than that of Tesla! While Tesla worked mainly in a scientific but mechanical manner, Keely went much deeper but "unscientifically" in understanding of the ether and its manifestations. And both not being foreigners to Boscovich's work. While Tesla worked with magnetism and electricity, Keely went deeper and worked right with your actual inertial dielectric plane. But of course, your theory and work, the same as of Keely etheric force or Newton's gravity and other natural forces understood and called arbitrarily by others over time, being all merely interpretation of ether manifestation, have no commercial values, so it will not be successful, than in private circles and/or only for those interested in understanding not to make money!
But don't stop, you make a great work and have all my support!
SaDAng
Sandang said: But don't stop, you make a great work and have all my support!
Sorry, I have been busy as hell working on the new edition which is far less image intensive (lol).
Increasing complexity, and drawing in the "play" of true inertia into magnetism and what role both are and plays
likewise I tie in space, acceleration, and motion (and inertia of course) into magnetism and the dielectric inertial plane which "drives" any and all magnets (and magnetism of course).
Lux et veritas.
Fraunhofer researchers have come up with a 3D. imaging sensor plate that can, as it
were, visualise what's going on with magnetic fields.
I would imagine this will be of great help in proving the magnetic vortex idea. I think
it's capable of something like 1,000 samples per second.
John.
Quote from: minnie on October 31, 2014, 05:35:19 PM
Fraunhofer researchers have come up with a 3D. imaging sensor plate that can, as it
were, visualise what's going on with magnetic fields.
I would imagine this will be of great help in proving the magnetic vortex idea. I think
it's capable of something like 1,000 samples per second.
John.
Noooooo, it doesnt really do that.
the ONLY 3D magnetic viewing device was invented by my friend, its the FERROCELL
few have seen it in action, even though its been around for YEARS
Oh, you're so clever,
let's not piss about with ferrocells and imaging cameras and all
that crap. Let's look at the things nature shows us on a larger scale where local
conditions aren't contaminating the data.
If there are no particles,electrons etc. how does a comet's tail work? Show us
some examples on a grand scale that are all around us.
Gravityblock knows the answers to everything too!
John.
Excellent post minnie.
I think it is the height of hubris and hypocrisy for someone to pretend that electrons don't exist, that theorists like Feynman are idiots, that engineers who believe in electrons are incompetent, when he is typing away on a digital computer designed by those incompetents using theories elucidated by people like Feynman and built with techniques like electron beam and ion beam lithography. The only thing that would be funnier is if he was still using a CRT display while doing it.
I am still laughing about his "million volt Tesla coil" barely making a little spark and glimmering a fluorescent tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKl_JhNVWM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKl_JhNVWM)
That's what TA's "understanding" will get you: something barely in the hundred kV category, falsely boasted about, with no measurements and a pitifully laughable display. He should stick to Buddhism, where his silly claims cannot be so easily falsified.
Whereas, my own +proper+ conception of the concepts and techniques involved allow ME to produce this 24VDC powered Tesla coil operating at around 500 kV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk)
The white marks on the ruler are _inches_ not cm. Do the math....
and this mains-powered truly megavolt class coil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U)
both of which can easily fit on a small table top.
We may not get a response from TA for some time, as he is a few light years up the road.
Regards...
Nice one Cap'n.
Quote from: TinselKoala on November 12, 2014, 04:20:47 PM
I think it is the height of hubris and hypocrisy for someone to pretend that electrons don't exist,
typical mouth vomit from a subhuman knuckle dragging ape. You have nothing whatsoever intelligent to offer to a dialectic discussion on the topic.
Nothing. Crawl back in your hole son. ;D
Quote from: sadang on October 09, 2014, 12:57:31 AM
Hi Ken,
Your theory of light, based on ether and its features,
SaDAng
I have about another 200 pages to add, and already have about 120 pages already. Just working hard on same.
In the bahamas right now taking a break from not working for the past 12 years. ;D
hot as hell here.
Ive made a number of wonderful discoveries, including some biological effects. It seems never-ending, of course.
I had a "rich" (assume) donation of $10,000 for the book, and I bought my friend (who needed it) a used car with it and took another friend to the Bahamas for a month.
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, the world wireless system, It was not the induction motor; instead it was the discovery of the principle that preceded the induction motor, the "rotating magnetic field". Tesla answered: "rotating magnetic fields were dear to my heart. When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, I was a very young man. The revelation came after years of concentrated thought and it was my first great thrill. It was not only a valuable discovery capable of extensive practical applications. It was a REVELATION OF NEW FORCES AND NEW PHENOMENA unknown to science before".
"No", Dr. Tesla said with some feelings, "I would not give my rotating magnetic field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and ear!"
Then saying: "A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come." - Nikola Tesla
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 02, 2014, 04:32:51 PM
typical mouth vomit from a subhuman knuckle dragging ape.
You have nothing whatsoever intelligent to offer to a dialectic discussion on the topic.
Nothing. Crawl back in your hole son. ;D
Once again you provide excellent proof of the fact that you are a blowhard idiot who cannot support your insane contentions with facts, credible outside references or demonstrations of your own. A braggart, a liar and a generally obnoxious person you are, but at least you are not afraid to show it. How's your Buddahood doing today?
I am going to take a guess that Nickola Tesla was talking about the "rotating" magnetic field that can be set up inside a conventional electric motor or generator. And he is right that brute-force generators and motors based on rotating magnetic fields are likely to be around for a long long time.
Certainly there is no relationship to Kenny's fantasy non-existent vortex nonsense.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 02, 2014, 04:36:47 PM
I have about another 200 pages to add, and already have about 120 pages already. Just working hard on same.
This is good news Ken. Have a long long vacation and relax time to complete the new edition of the book. I know very well that article and he has right, but not due to the magnetic field as it is known, understood and used today (to deceive the eye and ear and not only), but as it was thought and viewed by him. Is simply just a matter of interpretation and modeling of the so-called reality!! The same problem for the whole current science! As are the premises, so are the results!
There's a load of exciting stuff turning up all the while. Probably wouldn't
manage this at home but hydrogen sulphide at a pressure of 1.8 million atmospheres
and a certain temperature starts superconducting.
John.
Could be possible John, but if we try to redefine the concept of "superconduction" in a new thinking paradigm of the existence of ether as an all pervading medium (or call it as you wish, point zero energy field, orgonic field, odic field, prana, chi, and so on) and its different manifestations interpreted by us as separate and independent phenomena, such as magnetism, electricity, gravity and other forms of energy and dynamics, I suppose we can get the same effect at the room temperature. What you think?
Ive always been told im a great teacher, but that is IN PERSON,,.........online, im a bit too lazy.
I just made video 19 PUBLIC, since I published the exhaustive results with a few others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIh-w_T8akg
Ive spent more time growing SEEDS than anyone dare imagine.
Of course, I know about the polarized nature of the H2O molecule, but only JUST FIGURED OUT why the N pole DRASTICALLY alters growth vs. the S pole.
ALSO I figured out why there is a EM frequency differential in the LIGHT SHIFT as seen in the ferrocell
Im "insanely" happy to finally figure out this (one of) final mystery about N vs. S pole spectra differences.
;D
Quote from: MileHigh on December 02, 2014, 06:08:28 PM
fantasy non-existent vortex nonsense.
I have EIGHT empirical proofs of its existence,You? You have your flapping lips and nothing else.
Youre a keyboard jockey and a rotten apple. Nothing more son.
Is there some place in one of your books or in a clip where you list all of your eight alleged proofs?
Certainly your musings with a magnet and a CRT TV are not proof. In fact they demonstrate that thee isn't even the slightest whiff of evidence of what you claim.
Bravado can only get you so far.
QuoteOf course, I know about the polarized nature of the H2O molecule
Certainly anybody that had a science education growing up learned all about how the water molecule has an electric dipole moment. But I have no recollection of learning anything about a magnetic dipole for a H2O molecule. That means that there is none, or, if it exists, it is so small as to be insignificant.
Somehow I get the feeling that you are talking about the magnetic dipole for a water molecule.
Hi Ken,
very interesting results.I posted a comment on youtube and would appreciate if you could show us the arrangement
of the magnets around the rim of the dish.
Regards
Kator01
Quote from: MileHigh on December 21, 2014, 07:54:39 AM
Certainly anybody that had a science education growing up learned all about how the water molecule has an electric dipole moment. But I have no recollection of learning anything about a magnetic dipole for a H2O molecule. That means that there is none, or, if it exists, it is so small as to be insignificant.
Somehow I get the feeling that you are talking about the magnetic dipole for a water molecule.
you are, EMPIRICALLY, nothing but a talking head and a pure IDIOT.
See video 19 of mine.
likewise see 40 YEARS of biological research (since youre an idiot biological = WATER BASED) by Rawles and Davis in their books.
Quote from: sadang on December 16, 2014, 03:53:53 AM
Could be possible John
I posted a new video of something nobody has ever seen before on video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhNJl4Cp1jE
likewise some HINTS on a massive discovery to be reveled in the 4TH edition of the book regarding
polarity RAREFACTION and COMPRESSIONalso something else I discovered,........but I cannot explain at this time,...like to keep it under wraps. ;D
My recent discovery EXPLAINS ALL 40 YEARS + OF RESEARCH INTO BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS (and the many I have done!) DONE BY RAWLS AND DAVIS
Quote from: MileHigh on December 21, 2014, 07:54:39 AM
That means that there is none, or, if it exists, it is so small as to be insignificant.
Rawls and Davis 40 YEARS of experiments on:rats......proves you are wrong, and a demented fool with no interest in the truth
chickens......proves you are wrong, and a demented fool with no interest in the truth
hatching EGGS......proves you are wrong, and a demented fool with no interest in the truth
SEEDS.....proves you are wrong, and a demented fool with no interest in the truth
WORMS (like yourself)......proves you are wrong, and a demented fool with no interest in the truth
LIKEWISE, MORON,.....
...I have DUPLICATED THESE EXPERIMENTS. There is EVEN COMPRESSION and RAREFACTION SPECTRUM SHIFT seen in the FERROCELL..........
.........and I was the first person on earth to discover this..........as even the inventor of the ferrocell himself CONFIRMS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJzECLIVTYI
Likewise, asshole, magnetic divergence causes EYE PAIN,...........to which I can attest, stooping over VERY VERY LARGE, VERY VERY EXPENSIVE AND POWERFUL MAGNETS for hours and hours ..
Ocular magnetic effects of chromatome research (which I feel EVERY NIGHT in my magnetic experiments) essentially does NOT EXIST.
Youre a fools fool. period. Youre a red herring and you have NOTHING AT ALL to offer. NOTHING.
Biomagnetic Healing
www.sld.cu/galerias/pdf/sitios/rehabilitacion-fis/biomagnetic_healing..pdf
ELECTRIC WATER IN BOTTLE
Here is the follow up to the first video clip on the charge in the water that has no capacitor plates just the inside and the outside of the water bottle.. This is tap water... conductive polar charges are attracted to the plastic of inside of the bottle ..
Ken, glad you are back the trols are pounding at your door.. these trolls are so stupid !!!!!! What a waste time for them to squat here at overunity dot com.. It reminds me of an moron who set up quackwatch.. he was a self expert on medical electronic devices and lost 4 million as an expert dishing out crap about companies and people .. He was the king Rat troll !!! lost his head .... Free advice has a price as well words..
here is a link to electrical water ( my clip )....Magnetic(ly) charged water through a plasma spinning.. ( a patent is in the works for the plastic dipole charger)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZxWUh7SfY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZxWUh7SfY)
Kenny:
I state that a water molecule has an electric dipole moment. You then call me an "idiot" and then upload a graphic of a water molecule showing an electric dipole moment. That makes you an idiot.
"Biological" does not mean "water based" and you called me an idiot again. It means "of or relating to biology or living organisms." That makes you an idiot again. And no Kenny, just because life is water-based does not mean that you are correct just the same.
In doing a bit of checking online, it's apparent to me that the books of Albert Davis and Walter Rawls are pseudoscience junk.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on December 22, 2014, 09:38:46 AM
In doing a bit of checking online, it's apparent to me that the books of Albert Davis and Walter Rawls are pseudoscience junk.
just bullshit talk with no substantiation
I have duplicated the experiments over and over. You flap your lips
Again, you have NOTHING TO OFFER, nothing whatsoever,...... youve been flushed like the floating turd you are son. Youre a pathetic of no intellectual worth.
intellectually youre a pothole on the road of wisdom and discovery. Useless.
Quote from: Acca on December 22, 2014, 09:06:46 AM
ELECTRIC WATER IN BOTTLE
here is a link to electrical water ( my clip )....Magnetic(ly) charged water through a plasma spinning.. ( a patent is in the works for the plastic dipole charger)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZxWUh7SfY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZxWUh7SfY)
Great video ! Keep up experimenting and discovery! Loved it ;)
Acca:
QuoteELECTRIC WATER IN BOTTLE
Here is the follow up to the first video clip on the charge in the water that has no capacitor plates just the inside and the outside of the water bottle.. This is tap water... conductive polar charges are attracted to the plastic of inside of the bottle ..
Not quite. As a kid did you rub balloons against a wall an then leave them stuck to the wall? That's the essential clue. To state "ELECTRIC WATER IN BOTTLE" is misleading at best.
QuoteKen, glad you are back the trols are pounding at your door.. these trolls are so stupid !!!!!!
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here is a link to electrical water ( my clip )....Magnetic(ly) charged water through a plasma spinning.. ( a patent is in the works for the plastic dipole charger)...
Wow, so you are "MAGNETVORTEX power" on YouTube. You are the guy that made all of those YouTube clips with the tank of water and the wires in the water and all of the swirling bubbles and all that.
I have some serious news for you. Your clips are filled with nonsense because in most cases you haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about. Your clips are so misguided and so wrong and so awful that they almost hurt to watch.
Now, instead of a near-mindless cheering crowd that doesn't dare challenge you and Kenny and others like on some other forums, at least here you have people that will take issue with you and challenge you if you are stating nonsense. The challenge from me to you is to "incite you to think."
You see the attached screen cap from one of your clips, "Secret Magnet Glass Vortex." In that clip you state that you are "proving" the existence of the "magnetic vortex" with that test. Nothing could be further from the truth. You clearly have no idea why the bottle cap is spinning. Things like this are actually shocking sometimes. Like, you haven't the slightest clue what is happening in the clip and yet you are making an "educational" clip. When I first came across some of your clips I was shocked.
MileHigh
You forgot to comment on this Kenny:
QuoteI state that a water molecule has an electric dipole moment. You then call me an "idiot" and then upload a graphic of a water molecule showing an electric dipole moment. That makes you an idiot.
Doh!
cast bismuth spheres experimenting with.
Variation average between 10 and 13 degrees heat generation.
1. reproducible without fail.
2. logical necessitated HEAT production from magnetic divergence against natures MOST diamagnetic (=dielectric) element, bismuth
3. NECESSITATED output
4. ONLY 2 "parts".
5. NO MOVING PARTS
6. WOULD NEVER EVER BREAK DOWN / FAIL
power anything with it? MORE of them, or a LARGE one.....maybe a dinky flashlight LED.
They (the ubiquitous 'they') only said "FREE ENERGY!!!!!!!!!!",
......they never qualified HOW MUCH of it. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 22, 2014, 05:48:49 PM
cast bismuth spheres experimenting with.
Variation average between 10 and 13 degrees heat generation.
1. reproducible without fail.
2. logical necessitated HEAT production from magnetic divergence against natures MOST diamagnetic (=dielectric) element, bismuth
3. NECESSITATED output
4. ONLY 2 "parts".
5. NO MOVING PARTS
6. WOULD NEVER EVER BREAK DOWN / FAIL
power anything with it? MORE of them, or a LARGE one.....maybe a dinky flashlight LED.
They (the ubiquitous 'they') only said "FREE ENERGY!!!!!!!!!!",
......they never qualified HOW MUCH of it. ;D
If the bismuth spheres were truly and consistently 10-13 degrees above ambient (i.e., emitting heat), your thermal imager would see a homogenous temp reading over the entire surface of the sphere.
It appears that you are once again being fooled by the reflection of the heat produced by the imager itself. A video made using the thermal imager wherein the imager was moved about a bit would also prove that it is reflected heat being observed if the hot spot moves across the surface of the sphere as the imager is moved. Although taken with only slightly offset imager positions, the two still images provided do tend to indicate that the hot spot does move with the imager position in support of the observed hotspots being only a reflection of the imager's heat.
As can also be done with the "heat generated by a magnet" thermal imager test you did previously, this can easily be confirmed by repeating these tests with an accurate thermocouple taped to the spheres (or magnets).
PW
Quote from: picowatt on December 22, 2014, 09:46:41 PM
your thermal imager would see a homogenous temp reading over the entire surface of the sphere.
nonsense, thats like saying the POT on the stove top should be EVENLY hot both at the top at at the side of the burner.
I see you put "much" thought into your statement.
congrats.
No Picowatt is absolutely right. You failed to understand what you were looking at.
It takes a real man Kenny to admit that he is wrong.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 22, 2014, 10:39:29 PM
No Picowatt is absolutely right. You failed to understand what you were looking at.
those who TALK, and those that DO.
however even your talk is worthless. As consistent as the north star, .......in the arena of pure useless.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 22, 2014, 10:45:00 PM
those who TALK, and those that DO.
however even your talk is worthless. As consistent as the north star, .......in the arena of pure useless.
What a totally disingenuous croc. Instead of dealing with the issue you play the "I'm a doer" card. I guess that you haven't done enough "doing" with your thermal imaging camera to know how it works. I guess that you don't have the innate common sense to know that if the ball was actually hot, it would be nearly uniformly hot. I guess that you don't have the innate common sense to realize that if a lump of bismuth actually was a source of free thermal energy it would have been discovered centuries ago.
Your quoted response above is what is worthless because you are ducking the issue.
What's the matter with you people? Can't you see, in the _first image_ from a regular camera, that the bismuth sphere is actually emitting light? Now that's what I call a significant scientific discovery.
:P
Quote from: MileHigh on December 22, 2014, 10:56:33 PM
I guess that you don't have the innate common sense to realize that if a lump of bismuth actually was a source of free thermal energy it would have been discovered centuries ago.
STRAWMAN FALLACY
I guess that you don't have the innate common sense to realize that i said NO SUCH GODDAMN THING.
magnetic divergence against the HIGHEST ORDER DIAGMAGNETIC ELEMENT (bismuth), causes heating.
same way (in a manner) a black car is hotter in the sun than a white one.
Youre a FOOL. The rest of your bullshit is presumptuous BS which presupposes
EVERYTHING should have "been discovered long ago"anyone with a brain knows that is pure bullshit of the HIGHEST ORDER
"nobody looks for something they already know is not there (presume they know)"
HUBRIS 101
Turns out there is enormous amounts of gold in regular seawater. Takes a TRUE MIND to look for something nobody would have thought was there.
You, son, are nothing but an idiot, pure and simple.
You are the Master of Hubris, Kenny.
Provide some thermocouple measurements of the bismuth. You will not. Run a LTD Stirling engine on the "heat" from the bismuth -- many are commercially available that will easily run on 5 degrees C differential. You cannot. Use your thermal imager to look at a shiny steel ball bearing from the same angle as you are imaging the bismuth sphere under the same conditions. You will not. In short, you will only present _demonstrations_ that you can claim will support your silly theories, you will never perform true experiments that have the potential to falsify them.
Bismuth a dielectric? I laugh at you. Make a capacitor with bismuth between the plates, in full contact, and show it holding a charge. You cannot.
You provide this forum with endless amusement, Kenny baby. Rant and insult all you like, you are not a teacher, you are not a scientist, you are just a boastful plagiarist without any integrity at all.
And everybody knows and has known for a long long time that there is gold in seawater... a tiny amount by weight, not economical to bother with extracting. An "enormous amount"? Sure, per ocean. Per liter... not so enormous.
QuoteEach liter of seawater contains, on average, about 13 billionths of a gram of gold.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/gold.html
Wheee hooo... we are all gonna get rich!!
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 23, 2014, 12:15:25 AM
Provide some thermocouple measurements of the bismuth. You will not
its bismuth and a magnet.
Get off your lazy worthless fucking ass and do the experiment yourself.
just a keyboard jockey and lip flapping asshat like your brethren. ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 23, 2014, 12:15:25 AM
Bismuth a dielectric? I laugh at you.
Thermoelectric Power of Single Crystal Bismuth Near the Melting Point
By investigating directly the thermoelectric power of bismuth single crystals near the melting point a transition region is found in which the thermoelectric power changes gradually from that characteristic of the solid to that characteristic of the final liquid state. The region extends from the melting point to about 8° above it. As an explanation it is supposed that a definite crystal structure persists into the liquid state.
DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1103/PhysRev.41.516
Proceedings of the Physical Society Volume 71 Number 4
H J Goldsmid 1958 Proc. Phys. Soc. 71 633 doi:10.1088/0370-1328/71/4/312
The Electrical Conductivity and Thermoelectric Power of Bismuth Telluride The electrical conductivity and thermoelectric power of the semiconductor Bi2Te3 have been measured between 150°K and 300°K. n-type and p-type samples with a wide range of carrier concentration have been included. Most samples have shown extrinsic conduction and have been partially degenerate over at least part of the temperature range, so it has been necessary to use Fermi-Dirac statistics in interpreting the results. A few samples have exhibited mixed and intrinsic conduction at the higher temperatures. It has been possible to determine the variation of carrier mobility with temperature and to estimate the energy dependence of the relaxation time, as well as a number of the semiconductor parameters.
Thermoelectric materials on the basis of
bismuth telluride Bi2Te3
The bismuth telluride Bi2Te3 compound is a semiconductor material, possessing likewise р- and n – conductivity.
Moreover, bismuth telluride crystals bear a remarkable quality. If, being prepared in a certain way semiconductor Bi2Te3 crystals (they are also called «pellets») of the n- and р-types of conductivity are alternatively joined sequentially with each other by metal conductors, and this «package» is placed between two thermally conductive ceramic plates, then you get a device which is called the thermoelectric cooling module (TCM). When transmitting the direct electric current through the thermoelectric module the upper junctions of the «pellets» will become cool, while the lower – get warmer. As a result one ceramic plate is cooling the environment, while the opposite plate is the source of heating. But if the direct current is transmitted through the same device in the opposite direction, then the «hot» and «cold» sides shall change places.
Thermoelectric modules are used for the production of electricity through the direct transformation of heat into electricity. Electricity is produced, when heating the thermoelectric module connected to the electric circuit. The thermoelectric generating modules (TGMs) possess this property.
The unification of one or several TE modules and two heat exchangers of an aerial or liquid type, which are attached to the hot and cold sides of the modules into basic thermoelectric blocks (BTBs), allows to build a thermoelectric system of a given capacity.
Quality control of thermoelectric materials
The Hartman's method of measuring thermoelectric parameters is used in order to control the quality of thermoelectric materials. When using this method to obtain precise calculations of the characteristics of thermoelectric efficiency it is necessary to apply corrections that are related to the thermal conduction of the lead and sound wires, with the thermal emission from the sample and wires, and also with the Joules heat, emitted in the lead wires.
So far, when calculating the thermoelectric efficiency the registration of the corrections was not based on the solution of the task of thermal conduction in the system: «The sample – lead wires». The specialists of the «ADV-Engineering» LLC solved this problem in a one-dimensional approximation and on this basis worked out a method of a more correct way of measuring the thermoelectric efficiency of the sample.
keep laughing moron. Youve got nothing.
You're fucked, ...... and refuted. ;D
None of your references support your claim that Bismuth is a dielectric. In fact they directly contradict the claim.
And isn't it funny how you cite references like that, when you deny the existence of the electron? No, it's not funny at all, since we already know that you are a hypocrite, ignorant beyond measure and don't even understand the references you cut-and-paste from.
Keep it up, Kenny baby. Those who know their topic are laughing in their beards, O Tattooed Genius.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 23, 2014, 12:26:08 AM
its bismuth and a magnet.
Get off your lazy worthless fucking ass and do the experiment yourself.
just a keyboard jockey and lip flapping asshat like your brethren. ;D
QED: you will not do any of the experiments I suggested... because you KNOW THEY WILL PROVE YOU WRONG.
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 23, 2014, 12:40:31 AM
QED: you will not do any of the experiments I suggested... because you KNOW THEY WILL PROVE YOU WRONG.
fallacy hell.
"jump thru my hoops" said the goon.
"jump thru some more".
Im youre superior son, I dont jump thru your hoops. ;D
Youre just a lazy jackass , pure and simple
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 23, 2014, 12:39:08 AM
you deny the existence of the electron?
Tesla denied it.
Countless others as well, E. Dollard, ......even the discoverer of the "electron" DENIED it was a particle
SO, once again, you have jack shit.
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview: On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original. He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter,
and does not believe in the existence of an "electron" as pictured by science. "To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability..."
- Nikola TeslaArticle: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit. One corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of what today is known incorrectly as an "electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W. Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether." – E. Dollard
"There is no rest mass to an 'electron'. It is given here the 'electron' is no more than a broken loose "hold fast" under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. Obviously this reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein's Theory of Relativity." – E. Dollard
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the 'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" - C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses)
The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings
"Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve Biller
"Here we will dispel the "electronics nerd" concept that a capacitor stores "electrons" in its plates. Taking the pair of copper plates as in the previous experiment, but now we have two pairs of plates, one pair of plates distant from the other pair of plates. Upon one pair of plates is imposed an electro-static potential between them. The cube of 10-C oil is inserted between this "charged" set of plates. This hereby establishes a dielectric field of induction within the unit cube of 10-C oil. Now we then remove this cube of oil, withdrawing it from the space bounded by the charged pair of copper plates, and taking this unit cube of oil, it is then inserted into the space bounded by the other uncharged pair of plates. Upon insertion it is found that the un-charged pair of plates have now in fact become charged also. It here can be seen that a cube of dielectric induction can be carried through space, from one set of plates to another set of plates." – E. Dollard
Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction.
"The notion exists that the electro-motive force, E.M.F. in volts, is established by "cutting" lines of magnetic induction via a so-called electric conductor. This "cutting" is then said to impel the motions of so-called electrons within the conducting material. It is however that a perfect conductor cannot "cut" through lines of induction, or flux lines, Phi. Heaviside points out that the perfect conductor is a perfect obstructer and magnetic induction cannot gain entry into the so-called conducting material. So where is the current, how then does an E.M.F. come about? Now enters the complication; it can be inferred that an electrical generator that is wound with a perfect conducting material cannot produce an E.M.F. No lines of flux can be cut and the Ether gets wound up in a knot.
Heaviside remarks that the practitioners of his day "do a good deal of churning up the Ether in their dynamos". – E. Dollard
You cannot say that stretching a trillion rubber bands nailed to the floor and releasing them or breaking their "force lines" is the "flow of electrons"; discharge is a terminal movement in systems of inductance or dielectric capacitance. There are no discrete particles in the universe and certainly none that mediate charges, discharges, magnetism, electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation, only fields, all modalities of the Ether. The so-called 'electrons' are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "electrons", nor assuredly are there energy discharges in the vacuum of space involving 'electrons'; the 'electron' is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist. Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge; dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q; 'electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.
So, YOURE FUCKED. ;D
So, youre the fucking idiot, ....or "Status Unchanged"
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 22, 2014, 10:32:15 PM
I see you put "much" thought into your statement.
Apparently more than you put into your experiment...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on December 23, 2014, 01:10:26 AM
Apparently more than you put into your experiment...
PW
weighs the (many times repeated) experiment.......
weighs your worthless fucking flapping lips.
the later comes up short. Check your scale.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 23, 2014, 01:27:27 AM
weighs the (many times repeated) experiment.......
So you repeated this experiment many times and you still got it wrong? That's pretty sad.
Where is your control image of the bismuth sphere taken with the IR from the same angle with no magnet attached? Where is your corroborating alternate measurement method?
Quote
weighs your worthless fucking flapping lips.
the later comes up short. Check your scale.
Your skills as an "experimenter" continue to be equaled only by your people skills.
They are both good for a chuckle...
PW
Quote from: picowatt on December 23, 2014, 01:39:21 AM
So you repeated this experiment many times and you still got it wrong?
thats a bullshit claim, .....SUBSTANTIATE IT.
Quote from: picowatt on December 23, 2014, 01:39:21 AM
equaled only by your people skills.
Idiots seek others approval and praise. the wise cherish understanding and wisdom. Go find an ape to kiss your ass,.... there is no "love" here for a SOPHISTIC keyboard jockey full of logomachy.
Im not paid to please you son.
Hey Kenny,
I said that Picowatt's evaluation of your thermal images was correct and you failed to correctly interpret what you were looking at. Then you attempted to sidestep that whole issue by responding with "I'm a doer!" Whoopty doo!
Then I said this!
QuoteWhat a totally disingenuous croc. Instead of dealing with the issue you play the "I'm a doer" card. I guess that you haven't done enough "doing" with your thermal imaging camera to know how it works. I guess that you don't have the innate common sense to know that if the ball was actually hot, it would be nearly uniformly hot. I guess that you don't have the innate common sense to realize that if a lump of bismuth actually was a source of free thermal energy it would have been discovered centuries ago.
Your quoted response above is what is worthless because you are ducking the issue.
Then you said this!
QuoteSTRAWMAN FALLACY
I guess that you don't have the innate common sense to realize that i said NO SUCH GODDAMN THING.
Then I went here!
QuoteA straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument.[1] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.
The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.
Conclusion: NO STRAW MAN FALLACY! I did not misrepresent your argument at all! i did not construct a false argument trying to put words in your mouth! I only speculated about your shortcomings. Repeat: I did not try to put words in your mouth!
Observation: You can't ever admit that you are wrong. It's like you live in mortal fear of ever being wrong or or having someone discover that you are wrong. So you have erected some kind of mental fence and simply refuse to ever admit that you are wrong! It makes you look like a fool.
The moral of the story: If you are going to present a new idea or "new discovery" here then do your due diligence! I am willing to bet that since your discussion with Picowatt you did some more tests and you now realize that you made a fool of yourself and you are dead wrong. But of course you can't post that because your whole physical and mental being would start to break down as you started to compose a posting apologizing and admitting you were wrong.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 23, 2014, 10:48:57 AM
I said that Picowatt's evaluation of your thermal images was correct
what you SAY has no worth.
If you cannot get off your lazy goddamn fucking ass and do the work, then you can take a flying fuck back into the pool of ignorance your float in.
Ken, again you lose your time with some kids spoiled and arrogant that revolve their tails, just, just sometime will catch it! They have no ability or desire, not even the courage to admit this! You give them too much attention! Now seriously!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 23, 2014, 03:12:11 PM
what you SAY has no worth.
If you cannot get off your lazy goddamn fucking ass and do the work, then you can take a flying fuck back into the pool of ignorance your float in.
What I say has real worth and you must feel pretty bad on the inside for your "bismuth ball fail." If you had the guts to say, "I'm sorry guys, I made a mistake" it would be a good thing. But like some comic book character in a really bad Hollywood action flick, you will crash and burn into the ditch proudly at the helm of your CGI "vortex light-cycle."
And no, I don't have to run out and buy some crap to refute you. You sink in a pool of ignorance and stupidity.
Quote from: sadang on December 23, 2014, 03:31:25 PM
Ken, again you lose your time with some kids spoiled and arrogant that revolve their tails, just, just sometime will catch it! They have no ability or desire, not even the courage to admit this! You give them too much attention! Now seriously!
You have got to be kidding. Kenny has nothing and you just want to blindly believe, and at the same time you "pretend blind yourself" to his ridiculous rants and brutal insults towards people that aren't fooled by his shtick.
No, I'm not kidding at all! I am very serious about what I said! You all revolve in circle, in the circle defined by current scientific paradigm without even grasp it! And if I believe or not, or how and how much I believe or not and in what, are not you or anyone else able to appreciate, at least publicly!
The ability to imitate and use does not denote wisdom, but only intelligence! Try to understand the real difference between these two words, and maybe then you'll begin to notice what you can not accept now.
Is not enough to think out of box, must comprehend what you think! Only then, will recognize you know nothing... about everything! Try to deepen the meaning of my words, before saying anything more that can sweep away any doubt of ... Don't take it personally, is available for all! Including me!
Sadang:
You can always find some kind of self-proclaimed guru that has the "answer" and says that "you have to feel, see, and understand on a different level, bla bla, bla."
If Kenny brought any value to the table I would state that. But he doesn't, you just want to believe he does. You are looking for "deeper meaning." Sure, open up a book on microwave theory and you will encounter some serious deeper meaning when it comes to electromagnetics. The difference though, is the book on microwave theory will be REAL, and not some "spur of the moment philosophical musings" about magnetism. The jargon in the microwave theory book will be just as "deep" as Kenny's. The difference though is that the technical jargon in the microwave theory book will be REAL, as opposed to Kenny's which is fake.
MileHigh
Quote from: sadang on December 23, 2014, 03:31:25 PM
Ken, again you lose your time with some kids spoiled and arrogant that revolve their tails
Yes, these are the same breed of asshats that were around Tesla and said
"its an AC motor, so what the fuck, Edison already perfected the DC motor, nobody wants your shit"
if they didnt think of it first, ITS SHIT, .... I know their type. ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on December 23, 2014, 04:02:17 PM
What I say has real worth
in your own mind thats the case, ....... OUTSIDE OF IT, nobody gives a flying fuck in Hades.
Hey! Your your "magic bismuth ball" is a total FAIL. My words have worth because they are TRUE.
Your words have no worth because they are either bestial insults or nonsensical pseudoscience. Your words are FALSE.
Admitting that you were wrong and jumped the gun like a child in a candy store would be words that have some worth.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 23, 2014, 09:33:22 PM
My words have worth because they are TRUE.
that level of demented hubris is often found in padded rooms and institutions.
good luck with your precious (and worthless) self evaluation son.
You need to wake up and admit that your latest "discovery" is a total FAIL.
You know, I really feel sorry for you, Kenny baby. You're fairly intelligent and you could have perhaps made a real contribution, but you have such an inferiority complex, combined with your megalomania, that you will always be spinning your wheels, driving people away with your potty mouth adolescent whinings and insults. You can't even get the help you need because you are unable to see your own shortcomings... or rather, they scare you so much that you cover up and compensate, by denial and attacks against those who know better than you. You're obviously fairly bright, but as a "teacher" or "experimentalist" you are sorely lacking, since you don't grasp the fundamentals of your chosen topics. It's useless to suggest anything to you, like proper control experiments or alternative explanations for the phenomena you present, because you already "know" you are right, and you will simply ignore, and even actively cover up, any evidence to the contrary, because your fragile ego cannot stand the idea that you might be wrong. And when people demonstrate to you that you are in fact wrong, which has been done many times, you deny, deny, deny, and resort to the typical tactic of burying the discussion under mounds of irrelevant copy-pasta. We've seen this before, from others, and we've seen it from you many times already. Look at you! You are reporting what you "think" are significant results, on this forum, instead of in the mainstream scientific literature where it might make a real difference, were it only true! You are just silly, insignificant, and the only people who can't see through your fragile bravado are those who are even more ignorant of the topics than you are. You've helped no one understand the true nature of reality, all you are doing is displaying your own fragile ego, your insecurities and your immature responses to critical evaluation. It's really sad.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 23, 2014, 09:33:22 PM
Hey! Your your "magic bismuth ball" is a total FAIL. My words have worth because they are TRUE.
Your words have no worth because they are either bestial insults or nonsensical pseudoscience. Your words are FALSE.
Admitting that you were wrong and jumped the gun like a child in a candy store would be words that have some worth.
By now, a real scientist would have posted corroborating evidence for such a claim, in the form of measurements by different means, control images of similarly shiny, nonbismuth spheres, etc etc. But what do you see from the Tattooed Genius? Just more insults and off-topic copy-pasta. I think he has probably already done the control experiments that refute his original claim, but doesn't dare report them or show imagery because that would demonstrate his failures, and his fragile insecure ego can't face up to that at all.
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Quote from: TinselKoala on December 23, 2014, 11:27:32 PM
By now, a real
By now, if you were anything other than a worthless goddamn keyboard jockey, you would have done the experiment yourself.
But that is all you are. I retired at age 32, and was in the bahamas this past month.
likewise a Dr. in Australia loved my book so much, he paypal'd me $2000 last week. I decided to buy a Nikon D750 with it.
You have, like your HighforMiles partner, nothing intelligent to contribute, nothing logical to say, and are pseudointellectual pharisee ;D
go pound sand, son.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 23, 2014, 11:20:56 PM
You need to wake up and admit that your latest "discovery" is a total FAIL.
I trust my $2000.00 FLIR , i dont trust you with handing garbage and getting it to the dump.
You need to wake up and realize your flapping goddamn dont add up enough to even merit a kick in the ass.
Youre scum, pure and simple.
"Seldom if ever has an original idea of consequence been born in an elaborate laboratory.The egg of science is laid in the nest of solitude. True it may later be incubated, hatched and nursed in the million-dollar laboratory. Be alone, that is the secret of invention, be alone! That is where ideas are born." ---- Nikola Tesla
Garbage In - Garbage Out.
Oh, Kenny, what a poor observer you are! You totally missed the most significant phenomenon in your Bismuth "experiment" !!
Ken
Would you be adverse to an independent 3rd party test of this claim??
at absolutely no charge to yourself ?
edit
its going on 3 AM here I'll check for your answr tomorrow
thx
Chet
Don't you see, Kenny? Look at your behaviour. Just as I noted earlier, you cannot accept any criticism because your ego is so very fragile. You cannot refute me, so you descend into braggadocio, irrelevancies and adolescent insults. It's really sad to see such a fine mind as yours acting like a petulant three-year-old who discovers that there really isn't an Easter Bunny.
You have the equipment and the necessary materials in front of you. It is your responsibility to do the experiment correctly, with the proper controls, and to present your results in a mature and scientific manner. As you will by now have noticed, you have presented exactly as much "evidence" for your claim of temperature rise, as you have presented for light emission from the sphere in the visual-wavelength photograph, no doubt taken with an expensive camera that cannot lie.
I can think of only one reason why you will not perform the necessary control experiments and report them. Anyone else, thinking rationally instead of trying to defend a fragile and insecure ego, would have done it by now, just to make me look silly. But you respond as we have all seen, like someone whose very value system is threatened. Imagine that... an anonymous gum flapping poster on an insignificant internet site has driven the Great Buddhist Scientist into a frenzy of defensiveness, foul insults and footstomping irrelevancies.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 24, 2014, 12:24:58 AM
By now, if you were anything other than a worthless goddamn keyboard jockey, you would have done the experiment yourself.
But that is all you are.
I retired at age 32, and was in the bahamas this past month.
likewise a Dr. in Australia loved my book so much, he paypal'd me $2000 last week. I decided to buy a Nikon D750 with it.
You have, like your HighforMiles partner, nothing intelligent to contribute, nothing logical to say, and are pseudointellectual pharisee ;D
go pound sand, son.
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 24, 2014, 02:13:59 AM
Oh, Kenny, what a poor observer you are! You totally missed the most significant phenomenon in your Bismuth "experiment" !!
you
DEMENTED FUCKING MORON ;D
first photo you posted is a FLASH SHOT from a cell phone
the FLIR SHOTS were in TOTAL DARKNESS using a FLIR CAMERA....... idiot!!!!
FLIR DOESNT USE ANY ILLUMINATION , its HEAT BASED
fucking goddamn idiot. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Its why FLIR is mounted on choppers for ABSOLUTE DARKNESS VISION
what a poor observer you are! ;D
Quote from: ramset on December 24, 2014, 02:25:11 AM
Would you be adverse to an independent 3rd party test of this claim??
at absolutely no charge to yourself ?
test all you want, ......obviously that was the implication from the post.
I support any experimenter to get dirty and have fun experimenting.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 23, 2014, 05:07:00 PM
Sadang:
You can always find some kind of self-proclaimed guru that has the "answer" and says that "you have to feel, see, and understand on a different level, bla bla, bla."
If Kenny brought any value to the table I would state that. But he doesn't, you just want to believe he does. You are looking for "deeper meaning." Sure, open up a book on microwave theory and you will encounter some serious deeper meaning when it comes to electromagnetics. The difference though, is the book on microwave theory will be REAL, and not some "spur of the moment philosophical musings" about magnetism. The jargon in the microwave theory book will be just as "deep" as Kenny's. The difference though is that the technical jargon in the microwave theory book will be REAL, as opposed to Kenny's which is fake.
MileHigh
You didn't followed my advice, to stop saying anything more because it "can sweep away any doubt of..."! Pay attention, in time that dashed line will fill!
Btw, the analogy used to emphasize me the REAL - to obey your way to emphasize the so called reality, without even notifying that is only your own reality, which you are trying to dogmatically impose others, canceling them the chance to understand things by their own reasoning! - concept of "deepen meaning", was a really worst one, because I work with magnetrons, resonant cavities, waveguides, SWR, PSWR, very high frequencies and high power technologies for more than 20 years. And I'm not referring here to work in the kitchen!
So, the technical jargon used in any currently so called scientific books, are real only in the actual way of thinking! When you will comprehend this aspect, you will start to sense the real (not your REAL) intimate nature of things and phenomena. Only then you will see they are just a convenient model (for whom is another discussion), a way to shape the current so called reality, from infinitely many other possible!
I'm following many forums, for many years, and see many valuable minds revolving in the circle of so called scientific laws, rules, theories, full of Matchivenco's constants, without even sensing this! Or worst, sensing this but as a form of resignation, without having the dare to doubt the correctness of the bricks at the base of the development of current paradigm of thinking. Entire lives wasted patching a bag already rotten! And this in an infinite ocean of possibilities! Sad, very sad!
A lot of people, with great intellectual and financial possibilities are trying to reproduce overunity devices, here and on other websites, without understanding that using the actual electromagnetic theory and laws will never, ever, forever get a COP greater than 1. Or to get out more than they put in, generally speaking! But they are constantly encouraged to continue on this well defined (or maybe convenient) way, but in fact an unnoticed circle of false assumptions and hypotheses, by guys like you, and of course due to their good sense and the education received, they continue wasting their times, money and mental efforts!
Finally, for those who don't like the way shown by Ken, or like to contradicts his sayings just for sake, please follow the advice of Cap-Z-ro. But my advice is to find a way to communicate with him! Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all overunity concept researchers!
Sadang:
If you work in the domain of high-frequency circuits and power technologies then I just don't know how you can't see through Kenny and his playing with tech toys.
This is not Star Trek with phasers and Bertol rays and all that stuff. When somebody makes a claim it can be tested. Going into a meditative state will not change the results of the test.
Anyway, assuming that you are being honest about yourself, I know that it is not unprecedented. There is a guy named Hugh Deasy that controls the orbits of European satellites (or something like that) that believed in Steorn and for all I know he still believes in Steorn.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on December 24, 2014, 07:07:02 AM
Sadang:
If you work in the domain of high-frequency circuits and power technologies then I just don't know how you can't see through Kenny and his playing with tech toys.
listen up , shit for brains.
2 + years ago, asshats like you said THIS INVENTION (as created by my friend) was IMPOSSIBLE.
well, its real, it works, its patented, and it makes STAR TREK look like stone age BS.
http://www.ferrocell.us/buy%20EDU.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMssut5ik9A
Inducing a 4-phase, anti-vortex electromagnetic field into the cell results in a
360 degrees rotation of a laser beam around its Z-axis.
A static quadrupole field is seen here
you dont know what LIGHT IS, NOR what magnetism IS, or how it WORKS, and WHY it works, and its rarefaction and compression phase polarization.
but not knowing a goddamn fucking thing is NOT what makes you a demonic POS, its that you THINK you do, and try to convince others that you DO..
therein is your evil, son.
So what does the device do?
Quote from: MileHigh on December 24, 2014, 07:55:49 AM
So what does the device do?
what does it matter, .......it cannot possibly exist, nor would you understand it.
youre king of a nutshell,
everything OUTSIDE your nutshell is a fantasy , a dream, a lie.
Quoteyou dont know what LIGHT IS, NOR what magnetism IS, or how it WORKS, and WHY it works, and its rarefaction and compression phase polarization.
Straw man argument. From the guy that couldn't explain why there was a black void on his CRT monitor during his magnet tests no less.
http://www.photonics.com/
http://www.laserfocusworld.com/index.html
I used to work in the photonics industry you clown. I am well aware of how truly amazing it is.
So you can't answer the question and explain to me what the device does.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 24, 2014, 08:05:19 AM
I used to work in the photonics industry you clown.
that doesnt mean a damn thing son. The dumbest people youll meet are "experts" in their field.
Lot of Phd idiots looking for unicorns and angels.............. ala dark matter, virtual photons etc etc etc.
Photonics thou say........
but you dont know what LIGHT is fundamentally. ;D ;D ;D\
ergo, carries no weight.
You parrot the VOX POPULI, ........which is always = idiocy.
Ha ha ha... Kenny puts up a link to a device and can't even say what it does.
Do you see now, Kenny? You are so flabbergasted and flustered that you aren't even able to think clearly at all. You're engaging in a classical psychological ego defence process: Projection.
You can't support your claim with a proper control experiment, and you even deny the evidence of your own eyeballs in an attempt to bolster your fragile insecure ego. You see what could very well be an instrument artifact and instead of testing properly to determine if it is an artifact or not, you blindly accept it as real because _you already know_, or think you know, what the Truth is. You are completely in the thrall of your made-up fantasies, even while you make use of instruments and tools that you have no hope of understanding and which are, according to your own deeply held beliefs, designed by idiots who believe in all kinds of fantasies, like _electrons_.
It's really sad.And no amount of
bolding, stomping your foot like a little child, and flopping around like a fish out of water can change that, or replace the simple control experiment that would refute me, and the other real scientists who are critical of your claims.
It is impossible to ignore, now, after several entire pages of your insults and waffling, the FACT that you still have not posted the results of the simple control test that people have suggested to you.
Here, maybe these references will help you understand your own fine tools:
InfraMation 2004 Proceedings ITC 104 A 2004-07-27
Identification and Suppression of Thermal Reflections in Infrared Thermal Imaging
http://www.aikencolon.com/assets/images/FLIR/iseries/pdfs/Idustrial-Mechanical-iseries/2004-05420Vollmer_FINAL.pdf (http://www.aikencolon.com/assets/images/FLIR/iseries/pdfs/Idustrial-Mechanical-iseries/2004-05420Vollmer_FINAL.pdf)
Positioning the camera: take into account reflections and emissivity (scroll down for this topic)
http://www.flir.com/cs/emea/en/view/?id=41872 (http://www.flir.com/cs/emea/en/view/?id=41872)
Psychological Projection:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)
QuoteProjection tends to come to the fore in normal people at times of crisis, personal or political,but is more commonly found in the neurotic or psychotic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychotic)—in personalities functioning at a primitive level as in narcissistic personality disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder) or borderline personality disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder).
We also note that in your imagery, you have cleverly ignored, or perhaps deliberately tried to cover up, that corner spot on the magnet that is also producing a specular reflection in the FLIR imagery:
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 24, 2014, 03:09:14 AM
you DEMENTED FUCKING MORON ;D
first photo you posted is a FLASH SHOT from a cell phone
the FLIR SHOTS were in TOTAL DARKNESS using a FLIR CAMERA....... idiot!!!!
FLIR DOESNT USE ANY ILLUMINATION , its HEAT BASED
fucking goddamn idiot. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Its why FLIR is mounted on choppers for ABSOLUTE DARKNESS VISION
what a poor observer you are! ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on December 24, 2014, 08:13:15 AM
Ha ha ha... Kenny puts up a link to a device and can't even say what it does.
He can't even explain how the sensor in his fancy new Nikon camera works, using his gobbledegook "theory" which denies the existence of the very objects that make the camera work.
And as you point out, he still can't explain any of those other devices that he uses every day, that were designed by "idiots" who believe in electrons and other things his "theory" denies.
MileHigh, the real world is abundant of guys, very, very qualified and deep engaged in their fields and who don't agree with the current scientific mainstream more than just to earn their daily existence. But this happen in the real world, not in the academic, politic, economic, financial ones! And as a fundamental rule: the more you become more qualified in one area, and you are more deeply involved in it, the more you see the sea of approximations, errors, wrong substantiation later becoming immutable laws as well as laziness, incompetence and often ill-will of those who confuse their ephemeral institutional attribute with the eternal own ego, and manifest in accordance, if you understand what I want to say!
The fear of a tomorrow collapse is huge and so deep implanted in the subconscious mind, that it can't be even noticed, but it the current motive power of this "civilization"! Will become a civilization without quotes when this unconscious fear will become at least conscious! Then it will have the ability to accept and understand more easy guys than Ken! I see more than you can comprehend at Ken, and not only at him, because my mind is not educated to wait for other's answers, solutions, explanations. My mind is educated to think for herself and search its own answers!
Have an open conscious mind you all!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 24, 2014, 03:09:14 AM
the FLIR SHOTS were in TOTAL DARKNESS using a FLIR CAMERA....... idiot!!!!
FLIR DOESNT USE ANY ILLUMINATION , its HEAT BASED
"Total darkness" is only with respect to what the limited bandwidth of the human eye can perceive.
You seem to forget, or wish to ignore, that the FLIR itself is a small "floodlight" at thermal wavelengths. Just like your cell camera sees a reflection of its own light source on the surface of your sphere, the FLIR camera sees a reflection of its own emitted heat.
This was all discussed very early on when you first acquired your FLIR and used videos and images made with it to claim that a magnet emitted heat, when all you were seeing was a reflection of the FLIR's emitted heat off the surface of a plated neo. Even then, you refused to provide data that confirmed your results using an alternate measurement method (i.e., a thermocouple or thermometer).
As was suggested way back then, using the same FLIR settings that you used to make these images, make an image of the FLIR looking directly at a mirror and you will very easily see the heat being emitted from the FLIR.
When making FLIR images for your purposes, careful attention must be made to ensure that the heat emitted from the FLIR does not contaminate the results. This relates to both reflection and absorption of the FLIR's heat by the target.
A good experimentalist would have very early on eliminated the FLIR's heat as the possible source of the observed (and now claimed) phenomenon related to the Bi sphere and a magnet by performing control experiments (such as making images from various angles to see if the observed heat moves with the FLIR and/or by mounting the FLIR on a tripod and making an image made of Bi sphere with/without magnet while sphere and FLIR relationship remain identical) and used an alternate measurement method (such as a thermocouple bonded to Bi sphere) to confirm their results.
If a properly designed and carefully performed series of experiments utilizing controls and alternate measurement methods did indeed prove that a Bi sphere emits heat when in the presence of a static magnetic field, this would be a very significant discovery. Upon replication and verification by independent parties, such a discovery would likely be worthy of a Nobel.
Unfortunately, the data you have presented thus far does not support your claim.
PW
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 24, 2014, 07:44:01 AM
2 + years ago, asshats like you said THIS INVENTION (as created by my friend) was IMPOSSIBLE.
You will have a very difficult time finding any posts by anyone that supports this statement.
Perhaps you are confusing this with discussions related to your claim that a magnet can be used to deflect a laser beam, and the poorly performed experiments you presented that you believed supported that claim.
As for the Ferrocell, a bunch of magnetically responsive particles suspended in and confined to a thin fluid layer would be expected to modify a beam of light projected through those particles as the orientations of the particles are changed via an externally applied magnetic field.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on December 24, 2014, 11:51:37 AM
As for the Ferrocell, a bunch of magnetically responsive particles suspended in and confined to a thin fluid layer would be expected to modify a beam of light projected through those particles as the orientations of the particles are changed via an externally applied magnetic field.
PW
Picowatt:
So is this a device to basically selectively polarize the laser light? Something were you determine the orientation of the particles depending on the currents in the control coils. Naturally you could make this a dynamic process within the limits of the responsiveness of the particle-coil system. A simple example would be to do something akin to taking a Polaroid lens from a pair of sunglasses and rotating the lens in front of your eye?
Assuming that I am correct, it harks back to the "hippie days" where they grew crystals on a film slide and put that into a slide projector. Then you put a rotating Polaroid filter in front of the slide projector lens and got a trippy slide show. Of course I realize that Polaroid films are used in various inspection applications, for example to look for mechanical stresses, etc.
MileHigh
just for references and to avoid further misinterpretations:
- http://www.infraredcamerawarehouse.com/content/FLIR%20Datasheets/FLIR%20T600%2015d%20Datasheet.pdf
- RAT corrections
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 24, 2014, 09:06:18 AM
He can't even explain how the sensor in his fancy new Nikon camera works,
I never mentioned using a Nikon camera for ANY of those pics, fucking idiot.
i said the first pic was a cellphone snap.
moron.
Quote from: picowatt on December 24, 2014, 11:51:37 AM
As for the Ferrocell, a bunch of magnetically responsive particles suspended in and confined to a thin fluid layer would be expected to modify a beam of light projected through those particles as the orientations of the particles are changed via an externally applied magnetic field.
the device pictured above is NOT THE FERROCELL, you idiot.
the ferrocell is another invention entirely,.........which does NOT USE electromagnets.
you just stuck your whole foot in your mouth, ,,,,,,,,,idiot. ;D ;D
you just screwed yourself, pretending you know what side is up.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 24, 2014, 12:48:39 PM
Picowatt:
So is this a device to basically selectively polarize the laser light?
MileHigh
HOLY SHIT,....... and youre the goddamn idiot who said he had a "career in photonics"
light is denotatively a polarized dielectric pulse qualified by transverse electrical and magnetic wavelength
laser light (any light / TEM) is polarized regardless as given in nanometers.
Photonics guru my ass ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 24, 2014, 05:47:02 PM
the device pictured above is NOT THE FERROCELL, you fucking goddamn idiot.
the ferrocell is another invention entirely,.........which does NOT USE electromagnets.
you just stuck your whole goddamn foot in your mouth, ,,,,,,,,,goddamn idiot. ;D ;D
you just screwed yourself, pretending you know what side is up.
Geeze, keep this up and your posts will be moderated. You talk like this to your mother?
Bill
Quote from: sadang on December 24, 2014, 09:15:10 AM
My mind is educated to think for herself and search its own answers!
Have an open conscious mind you all!
Theyre humerous, actually. These fools are like sewer rats seen dunking their dirty asses in the community punchbowl.
They take a greater pleasure pounding their lips against the wall for
20 hours, than spending 20 MINS to do an experiment themselves.
Their sophistry and logomachy is only excelled by their confidence in their unqualified HUBRIS.
I find them hilarious.
Lmao!
Quote from: Spirit on December 24, 2014, 06:34:26 PM
Lmao!
happy holidays, ......or some form of religious BS (insert name of your sky god) ;D
Do you see, Kenny? Your ego is so fragile that you even make up strawman arguments to bolster it. Several times you have done this recently. Where did I ever say that you took the photo with your new Nikon? Nowhere. I simply said that you cannot explain how its sensor works... and you reply with your insulting strawman, instead of any kind of refutation. Because you cannot do otherwise, your fragile ego defenses won't permit it. You know as well as I do that any explanation of how the sensor works, couched in the gobbledegook language of your plagiarized "theory", will be just that: Gobbledegook. And you know, too, that the designers of that sensor would just laugh at your "explanation", so you do not deign to give one at all, you just fall back on your usual childish behaviour.
So I will conclude, once again, that YOU are the "fucking idiot moron", as you continue to demonstrate with practically every post you make.
And another page goes by, without you posting the results of the simple control experiments that I and others have suggested to you, that could only bolster your case IF you got the results you need... but would disprove it otherwise. The conclusion from this is obvious.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 24, 2014, 05:43:14 PM
I never mentioned using a Nikon camera for ANY of those pics, fucking idiot.
i said the first pic was a cellphone snap.
moron.
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 25, 2014, 01:12:59 AM
mouth vomit etc etc.
you cannot even explain my friends patended invention using electromagnets ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
you have no intellectual worth to engage the dialectic on any topic in this thread.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 24, 2014, 05:47:02 PM
the device pictured above is NOT THE FERROCELL, you idiot.
the ferrocell is another invention entirely,.........which does NOT USE electromagnets.
you just stuck your whole foot in your mouth, ,,,,,,,,,idiot. ;D ;D
you just screwed yourself, pretending you know what side is up.
So let me get this straight. You posted a couple images that depict a round disc that looks a lot like a FERROCELL mounted in a special jig. You also posted a link to the FERROCELL USA home page that appears to sell the accessories necessary to turn a FERROCELL into the device depicted in the images, and you also posted a link to a Youtube video with the title "FERROCELL laser rotation without the cover plate on".
After posting all that, you then want to go ballistic on me with all your foul mouthed invective for responding with a discussion related to a FERROCELL?
Wow...
Happy Holidays all!!
Here's the links TA posted with his images:
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 24, 2014, 07:44:01 AM
http://www.ferrocell.us/buy%20EDU.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMssut5ik9A
PW
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 24, 2014, 05:52:29 PM
HOLY SHIT,....... and youre the goddamn idiot who said he had a "career in photonics"
light is denotatively a polarized dielectric pulse qualified by transverse electrical and magnetic wavelength
laser light (any light / TEM) is polarized regardless as given in nanometers.
Photonics guru my ass ;D ;D
More straw man stuff from you Kenny. I only stated that I worked in the photonics industry and was aware of how amazing it is. Like, you could design optical tables for example, and never touch a photon and still be in the photonics industry. So I never stated that I was a photonics guru. You knew that too but you still said so anyways. It's a sickness. You are just freaked out that people will actually disagree with you. How dare they!
Nor do I need to explain anything of your friend's invention, Straw Man Kenny baby. You are the one making claims, you are the one who needs to provide explanations. But of course you cannot, and that is why you need to descend into the fallacies and the adolescent invective. Surely you would have refuted me, and Picowatt, and MileHigh, by now, if only you could. But of course you cannot. It's really sad to see such a "beautiful mind" overflowing with such obvious, flailing, utter crap as that which you emit with every post. Sad, and comically hilarious. My, how the mighty have fallen, from the glorious heights of having invented a posture chair for fat people while working for a furniture manufacturer.
You demonstrate your "intellectual worth", or rather your lack of it, with each post you make, that does not address issues raised, that engages in straw man argumentation, that overflows with pottymouth footstomping, instead of engaging in rational discussion of the issues. But of course... you cannot do otherwise, since you are so insecure and so defensive of your fragile ego.
By the way, sentences in English start with capital letters, and those squiggly red lines that appear under certain words in your posts indicate something. Do you know what they indicate?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 25, 2014, 01:30:25 AM
you cannot even explain my friends patended invention using electromagnets
you have no intellectual worth to engage the dialectic on any topic in this thread.
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 25, 2014, 03:27:40 AM
Nor do I need to explain anything
how many patents do you have?
how many books have you written?
how many languages do you translate?
when did you retire?
Have you EVER had an original thought, or were you always just a miserable sheep following other lemmings off the cliff of ignorance.
your critical finger needs more pointing in the mirror in your home, son. ;DThere is a bliss of genuine wisdom and discovery that is so wonderful and sublime.............
something you will never have, nor can buy, NOR can be taught. Wisdom's reward is self-filling and self refulgent
- Damascius
Kenny:
I think that we are close to the end of the war of words on this one. I also think that over the past few days you did exactly what Picowatt stated. You pointed the camera at a mirror and saw the thermal signature of the camera in the mirror. You noticed that the temperature of the ball never evened out over time, even though the bismuth metal has a very high thermal conductivity. You moved the camera around the room and noticed that the "hot spot" moved across the ball. That must have been an unpleasant realization for you. You finally became aware of the fact that the surface of the ball acts like a mirror for infrared light, and you probably saw hundreds of Google references about this when you did your bleated searching.
So, that leaves you nowhere. The only thing left for you to do is fight a rear-guard-action movement for a while longer. Then disappear from the web site for a while and let your debunked pitch fade into permanent obscurity and you will never mention it again. Secretly, you are licking your wounds and you are angry at yourself by how easily you duped yourself and how silly you look because you could not master your thermal imaging camera, again. As Picowatt pointed out, this already happened a few months ago with the thermal reflection off the surface of your disk magnet.
So, a bit more scowling and hyperbole from you and them we will say goodbye until we meet again. Certainly, if you come back with a new thermal imaging "discovery" one would assume that you will try much harder to get it right.
Even one or two people on the other thread have indicated that they think you are wrong. For some people that's a very hard thing to do.
I have my scowl-retardant suit on.
MileHigh
Again, Kenny, you display the straw man irrelevant ego-defensive invalid "argumentation" that characterises you completely. My qualifications and history have no bearing on this topic; you are resorting to an inverse "appeal to authority" which is Yet Another of the many logical fallacies you display. I am perfectly qualified, as I and others have demonstrated over and over, to call you out on your garbage, your improper interpretations of your demonstrations, and your buggering of the Scientific Method. YOU are the one who still has not addressed the perfectly valid concerns that I and others have raised about your bismuth sphere claims. YOU and your "work" are the issues here, and you can insult and poke fun at me all you like, because none of that is relevant to the topic, it only demonstrates your miserable attempts at distraction and diversion. Your primitive pitiful ego defenses are just that: pitiful attempts to divert attention from your own intellectual failures. You are so very insecure that you will fill up pages and pages of forum threads, insulting others with silly adolescent mudslinging rather than dealing with the valid issues they raise. This can be seen in all the forums in which you post. You can call me names all you want, and the appropriate response to your childish playground taunts is another of the same: "I'm rubber you're glue, bounces off me and STICKS TO YOU".
And another day goes by without you posting the results of the simple control experiments that I and others have suggested to you, and which you have no doubt performed, only to discover that we are right and you are wrong. What is the source of your terrible insecurity and fragile ego, I wonder?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 25, 2014, 04:41:05 AM
how many patents do you have?
how many books have you written?
how many languages do you translate?
when did you retire?
Have you EVER had an original thought, or were you always just a miserable sheep following other lemmings off the cliff of ignorance.
your critical finger needs more pointing in the mirror in your home, son. ;D
There is a bliss of genuine wisdom and discovery that is so wonderful and sublime.............something you will never have, nor can buy, NOR can be taught.
Wisdom's reward is self-filling and self refulgent - Damascius
I felt the urge to leave this here. We ALL have issues in our lives! Some are small and some are debilitating but the important and right thing to do is always to help the ones that have passed "the line" to help them and not belittle them. From my understanding, in the animal world (non-civilized humans), a weak animal is food while in the civilized world, a weak person has more food for the brain since they have more FREEE time to think about how things work.
An alpha male is just a materialistic animal. Procreate with as many as possible in a life time (primitive feelings that still happen today 90% of the time). But in a civilized world, the mind outweighs the alpha male. And I don't know whats the ending to that is but it looks like it is 90% going on right now based on my thinking. The smart males have more hot females today than back when they where knocked on the head with a stick and dragged to a cave. So we are all the same "family" species. It's at a point that "knowledge" is more important than being alpha...well (alpha in the mind is needed).
I don't understand why civilized people cannot see that being negative to others is not the same as being a psychopath? Since everyone LEARNS when they are born. Only those that chose not to learn will never learn. We have so much multimedia distraction today that laughing at "idiots" is the it thing to do and even the nerds do it when the ALPHA thing was the "it" back then.
Point is, it is not about who is smarter than the other because 100 years from now you will be stupid. It is just about learning and making mistakes and socializing.
When I see a bunch of people insulting one person over and over again, that is bullying and ganging up on someone whom can't maybe not explain him/herself based on that person not use to explaining anything to anyone because he/she may not be a needy person asking someone to tel them what to do.
The only boundary is actually people not learning how to be humble because all brains are the same. We all can learn the unlearnable things. We can learn these things if we all just stop involving our past demons!!!! And that includes those that believe that they have figured everything out!! couse no one has!
@joel321
Wow Nelly, hold them horses. @TA is the only @member responsible for how the discourse will degenerate on this thread. You can have the most proper rebuttals but you will always receive @TA's highest-class response. That you are a degenerate moron with shit for brains. Given those parameters and knowing how well humans adapt, others here have simply adapted as well and @TA is only reaping the fruits of his long and strenuous labors, because we should realize that being a perfect asshole in not as easy job. There are many types in this world, @TA just happens to be the type you wish to forget.
wattsup
I'm not really on anyones side here which I believe I failed to imply that.
I think the main point that I tried to imply was/is that...
1- I don't attack people verbally even when I believe if they are wrong. (I only attack them verbally when I'm attacked verbally = self defense mechanism)
Through out my own personal experience, there is always something to be learned from the other person. The road block is mostly in the way people understand things and the way people express themselves which influences the other people greatly if they will believe you or not = language communicating at it's best. This is a fact that even businesses loose millions of dollars a year based on not being able to communicate very well.
I can see that even in my side of things. Through out my life I have never had to teach anyone or rely on anyone to figure out things for me. I think it's mostly genetic in my case (and others) since I have been building stuff since I was little and my brother was mostly more of a "class clown" if you will. So since I'm not really use to explaining things and my way of explaining only makes sense to me, the listeners cannot understand the way I speak. Hearing me speak is one thing, and watching me work is another. When I speak, mostly I get a lot of talk back and I find it hard and tiring to explain. But when I allow my skills do the speaking, I don't get a peep back because the talent speaks for itself 100% results with no ifs and whats about it.
What I understand from myself is that I lack the ability to make others understand based upon personal experience time after time. I get called smart so many times it has lost it's effect of taking it as a compliment and is at the point that I don't feel the compliment effect.
This I have learned to understand over the years that everyone has something to be learned from and that is why I never insult thinkers. I only insult bullies. They are just not use to explaining others since they have been doing their own thing for years and decades and never had to teach anyone but rather debate with ones own thoughts.
I'm believe higher than 50% that TA has something going on here but it's just that he is not a good teacher. That's my opinion from years and years of personal experiences and observations in humans. I'm not influenced by money nor influenced by others at all. I'm here going it at it 100% with my own judgment.
The facts that he has moved in the life faster than the average joe, to me, means that he is knows something. The lacking is in the way of teaching from what I said earlier. But of course, there is always the possibility that he may be wrong on everything but from the looks of it, I don't see that.
I'm looking at things in the side of the psychological side of things rather than the more technical side of things since I know dititlly squat about magnetism but the more I learn about it the more I see that magnetism is all over the place. From my understadin:
-light rays have magnetism
-human bodies have magnetism
-air has magnetism
-water has magnetism
-everything has magnetism
I can even imagine "gravity" even being related to magnetism. There are so many mysteries in this world that have yet to be learned/discovered that I can even say with confidence in 1000 more years we will not figure everything out.
Today we may say that QEGs don't work (who pays money to speak the truth?) but tomorrow they may work and then someone on the foums will forget about it and be complaining about others stuff that are "underground".
I even see things that previous scientists have discovered and then being shut down by the "big boys" because they claimed it did not work then years later they are making that technology public because the "evolution" does not discriminate (IOW evolution cannot be stopped)....if TA has something that he cannot explain right...i'm 100% certain that there is another person that will eventually bring it out to light.
Blah blah blah blah.....
Quote from: joel321 on December 26, 2014, 10:57:16 PM
-everything has magnetism
What about anti-magnetism? Not to be confused with anti-gravity.
Bill
QuoteWhat about anti-magnetism? Not to be confused with anti-gravity.
Didn't I mentioned that I'm more in the psychological side of things rather than the technical level you devil (6666 posts).
I don't even know what anti-magnetism is but does it have a particle attracted to it?
You have quite right joel321. This is the right path to understand the universe and its rules of which we are part of. When someone is heavy technical, it will lose the big picture. Being technically means only an attempt to shape the immediate surrounding reality, according to the specialization referred. The result of this modeling will always be one out of rules governing the Universe. And just think, I talked about only one technical mind, without taking into account the influences of the other surrounding technical minds.
Ken, is not only a technical mind, he has many other bricks at the base of his way of thinking, and this is the reason I give him so many appreciations. And of course, having other references than the common peoples, it is difficult to make himself understood by those who go only on well-trodden paths without deviating from them any millimeter, whether consciously or unconsciously.
I know many like him, and if you look into history, you will see that they are those who truly shapes the reality over time. Of course, they will have to face the inertia of masses of the people, but considering the inertia (even philosophically speaking) is just a feature of the dynamics, they always will train those around them, in their own way of thinking and modeling reality.
Going further, I see many use words as anti... There is no anti anywhere in the Universe, than our own minds. Is just a wrong way of interpretation of different phenomena which are complementary, being anti only in our limited way of seeing the phenomena. Only in our limited frame of thinking, limits imposed by our own will, shaped in its turn by the current paradigm of thinking, more than 80% of the actual peoples don't even being aware of these borders, of this cage of thinking.
There is no "anti" at all, there is only complementary dynamics, because the entire Universe, whether we talk about seen or unseen, known or unknown Universe, work on harmony and complementarity, otherwise it can't exists at all. All "anti"... mental concepts and resulting phenomena that could potentially exists, are all shaped by young civilizations, in their own caged worlds, ruled by their own emanated laws and rules, far away from the Universe's rules. Always supervised by old and wise civilizations.
The existence of a reaction as an answer to an action, is merely a phenomena of complementarity than one of an opposite action. Their existence only in complementarity is a must, otherwise they don't exist at all! They are both one single thing, one single dynamic, only our way of thinking make us see them as two independent phenomena. They have all a single point of generation (for the our current shaped world), one which is spaceless and timeless. Or with Ken words; the dielectric convergent inertial plane. This is a heavy phrase, or a meaningless one, if someone is not accustomed with Ken's theory, words, way of thinking. Or is not used to think about the so called external reality for himself, with his own mental concepts. For those who have this ability, it can be simply seen as the ancient ether and its modality of manifestations.
Try to read the last book of Ken and will start to see things in a different way, and will see the magnetism is not a field (a mental abstract concept), but it has a consistent intrinsic nature, a point of origin and a specific way of manifestation. Just read it with an open mind, and you will be more gained than reading a book about microwaves for example.
Joel
Thanks for your thoughts.
Maybe...just maybe ....they will be like a line in the sand ....
and bring some change to this discussion and its "Flavor"...
or maybe just one grain on the scale of change..... :o
thx
Chet
Quote from: sadang on December 27, 2014, 04:22:11 AM
Going further, I see many use words as anti... There is no anti anywhere in the Universe, than our own minds. Is just a wrong way of interpretation of different phenomena which are complementary, being anti only in our limited way of seeing the phenomena. Only in our limited frame of thinking, limits imposed by our own will, shaped in its turn by the current paradigm of thinking, more than 80% of the actual peoples don't even being aware of these borders, of this cage of thinking.
There is no "anti" at all, there is only complementary dynamics, because the entire Universe, whether we talk about seen or unseen, known or unknown Universe, work on harmony and complementarity, otherwise it can't exists at all. All "anti"... mental concepts and resulting phenomena that could potentially exists, are all shaped by young civilizations, in their own caged worlds, ruled by their own emanated laws and rules, far away from the Universe's rules. Always supervised by old and wise civilizations.
No anti? So, no antibiotics? Antimony? Anti gravity research? Anti anxiety medicine? Antifouling paint in the Navy? Antimatter? Antioxident in vitamins? Antifogging spray used in aircraft? No antipasto? Wow, you must live in a much different world than I do.
Do you not use antifreeze in your auto's radiator? Does that not exist either?
All of these things, and many, many more are in my universe.
Bill
Keep asking Bill! Just keep asking! Deep not superficially! It's enough for beginning! The answers will slightly start to rise, bit by bit! But only if you will continue to ask!
And also, don't make the same errors as many technical people do, namely don't be lead only by the moment emotional reactions, and use only a convenient part of a text. You forgot to make quotes of the following paragraph, without which the meaning of what I said is quite different. I mean the following paragraph
"The existence of a reaction as an answer to an action, is merely a phenomena of complementarity than one of an opposite action. Their existence only in complementarity is a must, otherwise they don't exist at all! They are both one single thing, one single dynamic, only our way of thinking make us see them as two independent phenomena..."
After that come back and tell me with the hand on your heart, that the meaning of word antibiotics is really opposed to word biotics. Are they two separate concepts, or they could exists only together? Are they real manifestations in the Universe, or are they just merely humans concepts, available here and now in this shaped reality? And be ready to go as deeply and comprehensive as you can with this explanation!
Now please be kind and tell me if day and night are two different and opposed things, or just one phenomenon, manifesting as two separate and apparently opposed things only in our interpretations? And relative to what? Follow the same pattern for other dualist and opposed terms that you used in your message!
First I would like to say that your vocabulary is wayyy more advanced than my limited one. English is my second language (I'm Hispanic) but I will try to understand you deep meaning since I mostly focus on the deep meanings.
QuoteThis is the right path to understand the universe and its rules of which we are part of. When someone is heavy technical, it will lose the big picture. Being technically means only an attempt to shape the immediate surrounding reality, according to the specialization referred. The result of this modeling will always be one out of rules governing the Universe. And just think, I talked about only one technical mind, without taking into account the influences of the other surrounding technical minds.
The way I see it is just simple as just looking at the solar system. We have harmful sun rays from the sun, we have meteorites bombarding, we have many things that are "harmful" to our earth but at the end of the day if there was more "negativity" than "positivity" to it, then we would not be existing right now. IOW, the balance of the earth would be thrown out of control. So, the logic even in the mind is to always keep negativity less than 50%. 100% facts right there no ifs or whats about it. If the atmosphere even allowed harmful rays to his us, we would not be in balance as we speak.
That also can be seen in human socialism/relationships. There cannot be more negative than positive to keep at a balance where a balance ONLY makes you "evolve"...period.
QuoteKen, is not only a technical mind, he has many other bricks at the base of his way of thinking, and this is the reason I give him so many appreciations. And of course, having other references than the common peoples, it is difficult to make himself understood by those who go only on well-trodden paths without deviating from them any millimeter, whether consciously or unconsciously.
Since we are social animals, we always need influencing by others since this is rooted in all animals. This again can relate to the solar system. In my mind, I can see that the other planets are important to the balance of the earth. Like the planets are all a family in space helping one another. The mother is the sun and the father is "gravity" since those are the dominant energies. The earth is the child of our solar system. If there is was no balance in the solar system, then we would not be here plain and symple.
So this is the same to us humans here on earth. If a family is a solar system and there is a weak ozone protection to the mother and father, then there will UNBALANCED. The the family will go like the DODO bird will. The answer is in the understanding how things work and applying them to the rest of the universe to be able to see the big picture.
So I agree ken has a great mind. If all of the other minds came together to become balanced, his mind (like others) would be even greater!
QuoteI know many like him, and if you look into history, you will see that they are those who truly shapes the reality over time. Of course, they will have to face the inertia of masses of the people, but considering the inertia (even philosophically speaking) is just a feature of the dynamics, they always will train those around them, in their own way of thinking and modeling reality.
Yes history mistakes are our future knowledge. It is pretty simple, with balance, our minds can reach a point where everything becomes balanced like our solar system. And this positive influence from others is out food for the roots to grow stronger and bigger. That is the holly grail of knowledge and understanding...the balance.
When people reach that state, everything is paradise. Where there is 40% negativity and 60% positivity. Like I mentioned the earth has meteorites bombarding it, but there is "phenomena/law/whatever you want to call it" to keep them in check as to not destroy the earth. And the balance goes all the way down to health...etc etc etc
QuoteGoing further, I see many use words as anti... There is no anti anywhere in the Universe, than our own minds. Is just a wrong way of interpretation of different phenomena which are complementary, being anti only in our limited way of seeing the phenomena. Only in our limited frame of thinking, limits imposed by our own will, shaped in its turn by the current paradigm of thinking, more than 80% of the actual peoples don't even being aware of these borders, of this cage of thinking.
I think I see what you mean, for example in two magnet pieces. S and N pole, where they attract each other is magnetism and when they repel each other is anti-magnetism to them. Maybe a wrong analogy but there are more. The "anti" is just a way of using the same molecules as a way to slow down the other molecules down. Like antifreeze. Antifreeze is composed of water and water is composed of hmmm water...the difference is only in adding water with molecular rearranging ONLY. IOW, both water and antifreeze are still 95% (or more?) the same, just the anti is a little "rearrangement" in the molecular level. So what that means is that the "anti" is not something different all together.
QuoteThere is no "anti" at all, there is only complementary dynamics, because the entire Universe, whether we talk about seen or unseen, known or unknown Universe, work on harmony and complementarity, otherwise it can't exists at all. All "anti"... mental concepts and resulting phenomena that could potentially exists, are all shaped by young civilizations, in their own caged worlds, ruled by their own emanated laws and rules, far away from the Universe's rules. Always supervised by old and wise civilizations.
People forget about the past easy. This is what differentiates scientists from regular everyday people. The scientists write it down with paper and pencil and then compare notes. All humans do this in their mind to, so in a way all humans are scientists too, but they are less successful that actually writing it down in stone. That is the only difference I see from all humans. We are all born to understand and learn, the simple fact that writing stuff down than merely just "remembering" them makes a HUGE difference. But also, there is a limit of people not being able to think past a certain point. Like you can think wayyy farther than someone else easy based on your years and years of thinking and it could also be genetic. These people exist that think wayyyyy farther than others in their head.
QuoteThe existence of a reaction as an answer to an action, is merely a phenomena of complementarity than one of an opposite action. Their existence only in complementarity is a must, otherwise they don't exist at all! They are both one single thing, one single dynamic, only our way of thinking make us see them as two independent phenomena. They have all a single point of generation (for the our current shaped world), one which is spaceless and timeless. Or with Ken words; the dielectric convergent inertial plane. This is a heavy phrase, or a meaningless one, if someone is not accustomed with Ken's theory, words, way of thinking. Or is not used to think about the so called external reality for himself, with his own mental concepts. For those who have this ability, it can be simply seen as the ancient ether and its modality of manifestations.
I need to learn how to grasp those meanings....dielectric, convergen, inertial, ether, do not make anything click in my small brain. Zero, nothing all alien language to me. But I only seek the balance and from what I have seen and gathered the insults from him are only in self defense. IMO.
QuoteTry to read the last book of Ken and will start to see things in a different way, and will see the magnetism is not a field (a mental abstract concept), but it has a consistent intrinsic nature, a point of origin and a specific way of manifestation. Just read it with an open mind, and you will be more gained than reading a book about microwaves for example.
Do you mind pointing me to the book? I'll read it with my best open mind ability. Thanks.
I am rather new to this forum. Perhaps it is because of my newbie status that I cannot find the original post. I would most appreciate a reply with as to how/where I can obtain the free book and/or videos. Thanks.
Quote from: joel321 on December 27, 2014, 10:31:57 PM
two magnet pieces. S and N pole, where they attract each other is magnetism and when they repel each other is anti-magnetism to them.
magnetic attraction doesnt exist as per its current and long long held denotation and connotation.
everything in the universe is force and motion, or inertia and acceleration, divergence being the former, and convergence being the later.
All Ether modalities (dielectric, magneticm, 'gravity', electricity) are irrefutably reducible to a single principle with a polarized modality which is merely the single principle expressed by Subject (inertia) and (its) attribute (divergence, or as implied force and motion, i.e. a spatially quantifiable vector(s)..)
"If you were to tell someone close to you that 'there is utterly no such thing as magnetic attraction', they would inquire as to your
medication or wonder what the punch line is. The very premise, from countless thousands of years past to the present, as evidenced
from 'magnets' accelerating nails, iron bits, and ferrous objects to the 'magnet', and 'opposite poles attracting/accelerating towards
each other', is as deeply ingrained in the human consciousness as the Sun rising in the East every morning. The ancient lie, this
perceptual titanic error is as innate as breathing. As is the case, all attraction (and 'repulsion') is governed by dielectricity, not
magnetism, which is the 'dielectric field' -Faraday, which in discharging, is the radiation Ether-modality we call magnetism. That
magnetism is reaching out (as, in the creation of) "into" space is not in question, however radiation only displaces things, as in the case of magnetism, causes an
inductive reaction at the interatomic magneto-dielectric of ferrous objects, thereby causing dielectric coherency from magnetic
displacement and resultant acceleration to the 'magnet' as the act of dielectric voidance.
Radiation attracts nothing. Soon you will
find out the simplex nature of the "magnet" which is powered by dielectric coherency (either I.D.C. induced dielectric coherency, or
I.D.C.C. induced dielectric capacitance and coherency) and likewise you will have a clear, lucid, logical, coherent, proved
understanding of magnets and magnetism that explains all observed phenomena of same"
- Uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism.
Quote from: sadang on December 27, 2014, 04:22:11 AM
I see many use words as anti... There is no anti anywhere in the Universe
extremely intelligent statement, altogether true of course.
also why there exists not ONE straight line in the universe, force and motion , and inertia and acceleration are MUTUALLY IMPLICATIVE WHOLES, of a single principle.
saying a thrown ball in the air which is now falling down ,....is an "anti-throw" of course is ABSURDinertia has no opposite, the loss of inertia as necessitatively
expressed IN and AS force and motion is still an INERTIA MODALITY IN EXTRAPOLATION as we dumb humans QUANTIFY and QUALIFY it as spatial and temporal, both of which dont exist, rather are mutual curvilinear vector measures of the loss of inertia .
the ancient greeks had a term for this that exists NO GOOD english translation (as a greek translator myself of ancient Platonism) ,.....however translated crudely as "necessary"
but a close definition would be "it cannot exist any other way, all else is impossible, i.e. the greek term ANANKE
@ joel321
Don't worry about the language. I have the ability to see beyond the words, sentences or paragraphs even if they are wrong used. Try to always keep a balance between deep searching and holistic view of Universe on your path! Why have to follow this pattern of thinking, will find yourself when will advance on the path.
Because I see you do many references and analogies to the solar system, let me show you something that will help to extend a bit your understandings of the word and mental concept of "BALANCE":
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AimeKbiMnU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AimeKbiMnU)
Otherwise be patient and curious about everything, and never believe just for sake something you do not understand deeply. Give them all right temporarily, but reserve the right to study and understand yourself, what is unclear to you.
And because you are hispanic, and have a great and long history behind you, would be a great advantage to study the official history and mythologies of your country, to find where your ancestor come from, their ancient rules, and will find more valuable answers than reading current scientific books.
Here is the book of Ken about how him see the magnetism and not only:
- https://archive.org/details/magnetism1small (https://archive.org/details/magnetism1small)
What is Tesla's AC motor REALLY?...Seeing the obvious that has never been seen before
So, everyone KNOWS what Teslas AC induction motor "is", likely built one or more, and studied its use 10000000 ways.
obviously,... but WHAT IF, knowing how a magnet works, you understood WHAT POWER GENERATION is in very simple terms as applied to the induction motor invention???
Ive got 100s of pages, and pictures and proof (at least 200 of which is yet unpublished) for the indivisible dielectric inertial plane in ANY and ALL magnets, always self-centering, the counterspatial 'center' of any magnet which is not LOCATED at the center, but FORCED there, CONCENTRATED there,..... no diff. really than simplex child level fluid dynamics.
SO, what IS an induction motor really? (sounds like a really dumb question, but is not). I forward that there is only ONE field, dielectricity, and that magnetism in true reduction is not , cannot be a field (as I was writing about endlessly for the past many months to be added to my work)
The absolute truth, as it happens, magnetism is NOT a field in definition, once finally reduced, rather a force of the loss of dielectric inertia
Magnetism is a FORCE, not a field, all spatially divergent Ether modalities are the loss of counterspatial inertia, expressed either as magnetism, or spatial condensates as matter, or as transverse expressions of electricity. There is only ONE FIELD, dielectricity, the rest are field modalities with divergent expressions.
and no, Im not contradicting myself, however as a CONTRIVANCE, speaking about "magnetic fields" is acceptable for DISCUSSION, .......but the brass tacks are that MAGNETISM IS NOT A FIELD
An induction motor, in very simplex (divinely so) terms, is nothing more than an INVERTED MAGNET
And what the hell does that mean? It means that any magnet has 'its magnetism' centered around a concentrated dielectric inertial plane with SPATIAL MAGNETIC DIVERGENCE reciprocating, ........ and its the lowest possible pressure mediation and simplex mass-form and dually expressed ether modality in the universe, counterspatial (centered) dielectric and SPATIAL divergent magnetism......
and the AC INDUCTION MOTOR? Just the opposite, the (whatever phase coil) coil is the spatial variant AT THE CENTER OF WHICH is a rotating magnet (or multiple magnets) {{{as driven by X, coal, nuclear etc}}}.
the AC INDUCTION MOTOR both cannot be anything more complex than an "inside out" MAGNET, the spatial variant is at the center of which electrical creation (magnetic and dielectric) is created and possible.
All electrical creation is nothing more complex than an "inverted magnet", with the dielectric (in this case the conductor, or as Dollard would say 'dielectric reflector') as the spatial binary to the centered (but divergent) rotating magnet(s).
that a magnet is a hyperboloid at the center of which is the dielectric inertial plane cannot be refuted by anyone on earth
electrical generation, the inverse HYPERBOLOID, is the AC induction motor
the opposite of magnetic convergence (the simplex magnet) is electrical generation (AC motor)
However, WHOLLY UNLIKE THE MAGNET.........Of course the AC MOTOR DOES NOT WORK AT ALL, and is upside down to nature....
No AC motor on earth EVER EVER EVER created electricity (of its own accord)
"upside down" (in this case inside OUT) 'mother nature' "Dont work" ....... we have to crank on our 'inverted magnet' to harvest the power we lust for.
I actually have a lot Ive written on the induction motor is nothing more complex (surely a child could grasp it) than an inside-out magnet.
More complicated than that? NO, impossible.
Not that simple? Yes, it is that simple.
Makes no sense? If you understand how a magnet 'works' and what magnetism 'is' and 'does', then YES it is just that damn simple.
"No amount of praise is too much to bestow upon Edison for his (lamp / bulb), but all he did was wrought ('work') in known and passing forms. What I contributed constitutes a new and lasting edition to human knowledge. Like his lamp, my induction motor may be discarded and forgotten in the continuous evolution of the (electric motor?) arts, but my rotating field with its marvelous phenomena and manifestations of force (from magnetism) will last as long as science itself" - Nikola Tesla
New York World Nov. 29, 1929, p. 10 col. 4-5. To the Editor of the World
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
"No", Dr. Tesla said with some feelings, "I would not give my rotating magnetic field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and ear!"
Then saying: "A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come." - Nikola Tesla
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
sorry, I HAD TO include my latest picture creation. ;D
My dear sir...
Many of us are greatly intrigued by your ideas, but do not have the time to fumble and stumble our treacherous way through all of your soaring rhetoric.
There is a very simple situation which can serve as a perfect vehicle to carry your wondrous words of wisdom to our eager ears.
Explain, in terms of your hypotheguess, the simple operation of the simple device, the one-piece Faraday motor/dynamo.
My ears are your. Imbue your wisdom without delay.
Listeningly yours
CANGAS 119
Quote from: CANGAS on December 31, 2014, 04:05:11 AM
My dear sir...
Many of us are greatly intrigued by your ideas, but do not have the time to fumble and stumble our treacherous way through all of your soaring rhetoric.
There is a very simple situation which can serve as a perfect vehicle to carry your wondrous words of wisdom to our eager ears.
Explain, in terms of your hypotheguess, the simple operation of the simple device, the one-piece Faraday motor/dynamo.
I explained that in the OTHER Thread,....
As for your "stumbling...." ....You stumble when and where you want, ......dont complain to me about where you tread or what you read.
Im not paid to please you or anyone. As for the damn book, its FREE, so why would I give a damn?
Its NOT FOR SALE
Ken the last video is the best "VIDEO 95 UNCOVERING THE MISSING SECRETS OF MAGNETISM. Polarity PHASE SHIFT "
Red and blue shift in permenant magnets is a milestone discovery !!
I am working on brain cancer magnetic fields and you may have just eclipsed that solution to prevent cells from dividing...
Congratulations !! great book, btw NREL in Colorado has your book in their servers too...
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Quote from: Acca on December 31, 2014, 02:40:50 PM
TinselkKoala is "self appointed" critic at OVERUNITY DOT COM. and his insulting posts to the freedom of expresion are psychopatic.
stop it, youre going to make me piss myself laughing ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :o
winks**
There are 2 types of assholes.....
..hecklers who yell BS from the sidelines, which is fine.
and then you have SOBs like him and others who try HARD to be
speed bumps on the road to discussion, invention and discovery.
their BS works on weaker minds, but not on strong ones.
Just roll right over their asses on down the road
Quote from: Acca on December 31, 2014, 02:40:50 PM
Ken the last video is the best "VIDEO 95 UNCOVERING THE MISSING SECRETS OF MAGNETISM. Polarity PHASE SHIFT "
Red and blue shift in permenant magnets is a milestone discovery !!
I am working on brain cancer magnetic fields and you may have just eclipsed that solution to prevent cells from dividing...
Congratulations !! great book, btw NREL in Colorado has your book in their servers too...
Here below is flea biting pest.. clip..
Uploaded on Dec 31, 2014
TinselkKoala is "self appointed" critic at OVERUNITY DOT COM. and his insulting posts to the freedom of expresion are psychopatic.. His poisen posts are under the pertex of "truth" and any posts that "he" considers to be from his belief are utter "crap".
His attacks of forum members are Evil.
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Comments disabled on your video, I see. That says a lot about you, sock puppet ACCA. Just read any of Kenny's pottymouth kindergarten ranting posts, if you can, and tell me who is insulted more. It's very clever of you, and utterly dishonest, for you not to include the vile pottymouth insults from your puppetmaster Kennybaby that I am responding to in the quotes.
Remember this image you posted, thinking it was me? LOL, what a clown you are!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 03:41:50 AM
sorry, I HAD TO include my latest picture creation. ;D
"World's Most Famous Idiot, Albert Einstein..." Recognized by other "Idiots" (renown scientists). All those Idiots invented idiotic definitions and we have now (based on their idiotic ideas) idiotic computers, engines, generators, and our whole idiotic civilization. And all those smart non-idiotic guys sit at this site, use those Idiots' machinery, believing that they can make something even better. They have lot of ideas and their own definitions from heaven and not even one working model.
Quote from: Qwert on December 31, 2014, 08:32:37 PM
and we have now (based on their idiotic ideas) idiotic computers, engines, generators, and our whole idiotic civilization.
youre goddamn BRAIN DEAD
Einstein INVENTED NOTHING
;D ;D
your modern world is based upon TESLA, and Tesla outright in NO UNCERTAIN WORDS said Einstein was AN IDIOT
"Too bad, Sir Isaac, they dimmed your renown and turned your great science upside down. Now a long haired crank, Einstein by
name, puts on your high teaching all the blame. (he) Says: matter and force are transmutable and wrong the laws you thought
immutable. I am much too ignorant, my son, for grasping (crazy) schemes so finely spun." - N. Tesla (Fragments of Olympian
Gossip. by Nikola Tesla regarding Einstein)
Tesla said of theory of relativity: "a mass of error and deceptive ideas violently opposed to the teachings of great men of science of
the past and even to common sense." - N. Tesla
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 08:40:55 PM
youre goddamn BRAIN DEAD
Einstein INVENTED NOTHING
;D ;D
your modern world is based upon TESLA, and Tesla outright in NO UNCERTAIN WORDS said Einstein was AN IDIOT
Tesla has been known as a great scientist but he's not INFALLIBLE. He invented great machines, but some of his estimates are just untrue, for example he believed that the so called "Tunguska metheorite" effect was an effect of his experiments. This show his mind somewhat megalomaniac as well as having inclinations for irresponsible conclusions; the same could be true when recognizing other people, especially those whom he didn't understand.
Quote from: Qwert on December 31, 2014, 09:21:37 PM
Tesla has been known as a great scientist but he's not INFALLIBLE.
no shit, nobody is infallible, i dont praise his MISTAKES, only his COUNTLESS achievements and inventions, of which that idiot Einstein had NONE
Tesla could have made 1000X as many errors, and he will still be the FATHER OF THE MOTOR
1000 years from now......
and yourself,...... a fart in the wind and unknown in a mere 40 or so years.
QUOTE BY TA:
Quotehow many patents do you have?
Mine do not matter to you.
Did you know
Albert Einstein had patents?
During WWI he got a German patent on an airfoil and gave it to the German Army. When it was tested it flew as well as a lead brick. Maybe they should have made it out of bismuth.
Later he patented a refrigerator that used molten metal as the refrigerant. I have read that is the same system used to cool nuclear reactors.
I read somewhere that he held a total of 9 patents, but I never verified it.
How many do YOU have? Is it 1 or 1 1/2? In all the excitement i lost count myself. One was a wheelchair or something like that, wasn't it?
Regards
CANGAS 123
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 09:59:34 PM
and yourself,...... a fart in the wind and unknown in a mere 40 or so years.
What about you? Why not patenting the Magnetic Vortex idea? Having so good gift of convincing people... insulting them.
History knows many renowned scientists without having patents. And you don't use the Internet extensively enough:
https://www.google.com/search?q=einstein+number+of+patents&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=einstein+number+of+patents&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110625152858AAgtkPE (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110625152858AAgtkPE)
..." And, interestingly enough, seven of the twelve were actually for the same invention...just patented in different countries and improvements to the invention"...
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I see you have edited your post to remove the link to the trolling video where you reproduce a lot of my quotes. And you've removed the video itself from YT. Do you think that matters? Really? Enough people saw your trolling video to know what it contained, and to know what kind of mind you have.
if I were to bother to make such a trolling video, including quotes from your guru, here's some of the text that I'd use. These are just a few choice quotes that Kenny has emitted in the past few days. Taken out of context, of course, just as you quoted me out of context in your trolling video. Every word in the below quote is from Kenny's recent posts.
Quote
lets EXAMINE THAT fucking bullshit for a second, .......boy.
So, that fucks you right the fucking hell out of your premise, son.
Next demented lie and bullshit please.
No such goddamn thing exists. ;D ;D ;D Show us a picture of a ONE PIECE motor boy.
lying sack of shit.
Moronic idiocy!
just what I would expect from another brainless fool who doesnt grasp PARTICLE FREE wireless energy transfer.
You LYING SCUMBAG
you demented mental midget.
TinfoilHatKoalaShit
Six eggs, moron, is also half a dozen.
demonic ATOMISTIC HIGH-ORDER INSANE BULL SHAT
There is a copper braid in your "Motor" asshole,
Surely you cannot be that fucking dumb.
idiot
no shit dummy
idiots like you
You remind me of the mindless fucking idiots (of which most are)
youre just a reincarnation of this ignorance.
humanities insane bullshit TOP 10 NONSENSE.
By this fucking logic
you cheap ass moron.
fucking idiot.
moron.
and youre the goddamn idiot
Photonics guru my ass
These fools are like sewer rats seen dunking their dirty asses in the community punchbowl.
happy holidays, ......or some form of religious BS
you have no intellectual worth
were you always just a miserable sheep following other lemmings off the cliff of ignorance.
listen up , shit for brains.
not knowing a goddamn fucking thing is NOT what makes you a demonic POS
you DEMENTED FUCKING MORON
fucking goddamn idiot.
asshats like you
youre goddamn BRAIN DEAD
yourself,...... a fart in the wind
And that's just in the last few days! From the keyboard of one person, the fragile Kenny.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 08:40:55 PM
Einstein INVENTED NOTHING
You are right. Einstein only
REINVENTED Physics as we know it. His research only led to many breakthroughs in psychics. Your "research" has led to ....what?
I am sorry...I forgot.
Oh, that's right....none.
Calling Einstein an idiot might make you feel smarter...but,
EVERYONE knows when you do that you are just calling yourself an idiot.
Nice try, thanks for playing. Please try again.
Bill
Quote from: Qwert on January 01, 2015, 01:04:23 AM
Why not patenting the Magnetic Vortex idea?
thats not even possible actually.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 01, 2015, 01:13:36 AM
Calling Einstein an idiot might make you feel smarter...but, EVERYONE knows when you do that you are just calling yourself an idiot.
Nice try, thanks for playing. Please try again.
Twas TESLA that said Einstein was an idiot, .....so do I, so do countless many.
"Too bad, Sir Isaac, they dimmed your renown and turned your great science upside down. Now a long haired crank, Einstein by
name, puts on your high teaching all the blame. (he) Says: matter and force are transmutable and wrong the laws you thought
immutable. I am much too ignorant, my son, for grasping (crazy) schemes so finely spun." - N. Tesla (Fragments of Olympian
Gossip. by Nikola Tesla regarding Einstein)
Tesla said of theory of relativity: "a mass of error and deceptive ideas violently opposed to the teachings of great men of science of
the past and even to common sense." - N. Tesla
"Einstein and his ilk reified space as 'something' that 'did things' and 'acted upon things'. This is the fallacy of attribute reification,
and is a titanic error of thought and theory. Einstein has blamed the flies (forces) on the horse feces (space), completely ignoring the
horse (fields) entirely. This brain wasting idiocy can and must come to an end given time and intelligent minds to see clearly. Nobody
who has ever lived has seen space 'do' anything."
Tesla was right, 100%
Youre a fools fool
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 01, 2015, 01:13:36 AM
You are right. Einstein only REINVENTED Physics as we know it.
Thats a HEFTY GODDAMN CLAIM son, for which there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER,...................... only
THEORETICAL (fucking worthless speculation) PHYSICSHow it works is, THEORETICAL PONTIFICATION PHYSICS (idiots musing about shit that DOESNT EXIST) ............... is
NOT PHYSICSSee, how it works , son, is
PHYSICS root is PHYSICAL,.........meaning "real shit",...........not THEORIES
Nothing in EMPIRICAL PHYSICS has one goddamn SINGLE thing to do with ANYTHING that idiot Einstein said.
by the way, his fucking theory is still that , a GODDAMN THEORY ;D ;D ;D ;D
and its being disproved more and more and more EVERY DAY
Likewise, the moron won a nobel prize with an INCORRECT CONCLUSION based upon CORRECT OBSERVATIONS, .......observations by OTHERS as it happens...
So his only real fame, is based upon a believable but wholly UNTRUE pack of BS.
The idiot Einstein said: "We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two contradictory pictures of reality; separately (particle and wave theory) neither of them fully explains the phenomena of light, but together they do." The 'photon' is a purely arbitrary concept. Einstein wrongly concluded light was a discrete wave-packet. He called such a wave-packet a 'light quanta'. Light, in fact, is D.E.M (dielectro-electromagnetic), a tri-fold circuit. The fundamental mass particle itself being a dielectric accretion formed in galactic formations, it is no coincidence whatsoever that light, like an atom itself, has dualistic properties of both waves and a beam of elements.
The Photoelectric effect lie corrected, the dielectric discharge effectThe erroneous Einstein mental failure as currently thought of as a "wave packet" is in fact a dielectric pulse in the radial center of EM propagation. This pulse is proportional to the frequency, the intensity of the EM being emitted as the Z-axis radial-dielectric (wrongly called photo-electric) charges indicate from experimentation. The Quantum notion of a "wave packet" and the 'photon' do not exist in the electromagnetic-dielectric model of the EM spectrum. They are phantom misunderstandings of electrodynamics, dielectric capacitance and reciprocating mutual conjugation by and thru magneto-spatial and dielectric-counterspatial co-axial energy formations.
The test and results of the photoelectric experiment are, of course, completely accurate and valid, the explanation however (where myopic pseudo-science fails typically) is a pure insane fantasy, both illogical, irrational, absurd, and purely the insane conclusion of Einstein's idiocy and his atomistic proclivities. Einstein had absolute NO training or study in electrical theory ala Tesla, Faraday, Maxwell and others. His only acclaim, his Nobel Prize for the photoelectric effect (not its results, but its explanation!) is a complete lie, fabrication and utter farce in the extreme.
Insanity defined in pure rarified form: "Photons have no mass, but they have momentum and they have an energy". A massless mass/particle is an absurd premise in the extreme, in defining the so-called photon, which in reality is a radial dielectric Z-axis component of the so-called "electromagnetism". It has inertia (not momentum, which is applicable to mass/matter), it of course has energy and is the only component of light that is the source for the energy of both its discharge as magnetism, and its magneto-dielectric mirror in transverse composition as electricity in the dielectro-electromagnetic true nature of light. This applies to the entire 'electromagnetic' spectrum. Light itself (as this work expands in form and editions) cannot exist without a Z-axis radial dielectric component, absolutely no different than the coaxial cable.
Below: The lie of the "photoelectric effect" showing non-existent electrons being shot off the reflector. Replace E with energy of the dielectric, h Planck and f frequency remain the same. This diagram is a lie fundamentally since the charged induction from the dielectric resides as capacitance between two charging plates, there is NOTHING (as the wrongly implied 'discharge particle') shot off the surface material, and certainly no electrons.
The so-called "photoelectric effect" explains why the energy of the charging dielectric was dependent only on the frequency of the incident light and not on its intensity: a low-intensity, high-frequency source could supply a few high energy dielectric pulsations, whereas a high-intensity, low-frequency source would supply no radial dielectric pulsations of sufficient energy to cause charge upon the striking surface.
Einstein's unintelligent conclusions were that this wrongly conceived "photoelectric effect" contradicted the wave theory of light that followed by J.C. Maxwell's equations for electromagnetic behavior, however the truth of course is that this observed effect is the resultant of charging from dielectric inductance from the radial center-co-axial nature of high-energy and frequency light which is dielectro-electromagnetic. Contrary to belief, they did not contradict Maxwell's equations in the observed results, rather proved the central axial conductor of electromagnetism, the dielectric, however wrongly interpreted and understood by the lesser mind of Einstein.
and so...
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 01:32:40 AM
Thats a HEFTY GODDAMN CLAIM son, for which there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER,...................... only THEORETICAL (fucking worthless speculation) PHYSICS
No evidence? Have you not heard of...THE BOMB? (It actually worked in case you missed it) Have you not read his letter to FDR written from Long Island urging the US to produce the bomb? I am not saying that the bomb is a good thing in our history, but, many countries were working on it and, if it was destined to be invented then, I am glad that the US got there first. All credit was given to Einstein.
So, how does all of this get twisted by you that he never invented anything? Just theories? Well bub, all great discoveries start out as theories.
Except, so far, yours.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 01, 2015, 01:45:52 AM
All credit was given to Einstein.
youre absolutely
goddamn INSANE. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
even GOOGLE.COM says your an IDIOT
He was CONSULTED ON ITS DEVOLOPMENT.
1. NOT ITS DESIGN
2. NOT ITS BUILD
3. NOT ITS DELIVERY LOGISTICS (IMPLOSION VS. GUN VAREITY)
pathetic!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 01:50:36 AM
youre absolutely goddamn INSANE. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
even GOOGLE.COM says your an IDIOT
Well, Oppenheimer credited Einstein, so did Feynman, so, I suppose that makes you the idiot. But, don't worry, everyone that reads your crap already knows this.
Bill
PS He did not turn wrenches or screwdrivers, but, if not for his theories that you called "useless", this never would have even been thought possible. More correct to say that his theories led to the invention of the bomb, and nuclear power...and, many other things.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 01, 2015, 01:53:36 AM
Well, Oppenheimer credited Einstein, so did Feynman, so, I suppose that makes you the idiot.
The goddamn idiot Feynman was Einsteins CLOSE chum, means not a goddamn thing
youve been refuted, you havent a leg to stand on.
Again, THEORETICAL 'physics'..... son, is NOT PHYSICS
its called THEORY for a reason, its not based on a single goddamn thing you do or use in your daily life
all that stuff came from:
FARADAY
TESLA
STEINMETZ
HEAVISIDE
JC MAXWELL
not that "fuzzy haired crank" - TESLA,...........ie Einstein.
heres a picture of these two mental retard asshole stroking each others wangs. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 01:56:54 AM
The goddamn idiot Feynman was Einsteins CLOSE chum, means not a goddamn thing
youve been refuted, you havent a leg to stand on.
Again, THEORETICAL 'physics'..... son, is NOT PHYSICS
its called THEORY for a reason, its not based on a single goddamn thing you do or use in your daily life
all that stuff came from:
FARADAY
TESLA
STEINMETZ
HEAVISIDE
JC MAXWELL
not that "fuzzy haired crank" - TESLA,...........ie Einstein.
Wow, this post might be considered genius, .......
by an uninformed idiot.
Please try to get over yourself and stop trying to elevate your level of knowledge by degrading others that are so obviously more intelligent than yourself.
You have obviously stopped learning a long time ago. It shows.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 01, 2015, 01:59:46 AM
Please try to get over yourself and stop trying to elevate your level of knowledge by degrading others that are so obviously more intelligent than yourself.
who are you referring to son? it cannot be yourself as per the "more intelligent" comment.
Absolute 100% impossible
You dont get it son,
you degraded YOURSELF with your OWN tongue, I merely pointed out the cancer festering in your own delusional spittle.
"the fool cuts himself with his own tongue, edged of ignorance" - Damascius
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 02:02:24 AM
who are you referring to son? it cannot be yourself as per the "more intelligent" comment.
Absolute 100% impossible
You dont get it son, you degraded YOURSELF with your OWN tongue, I merely pointed out the cancer festering in your own delusional spittle.
Well, I was referring to Einstein, and Feynman but, now that you mention it, I would stack my I.Q. against yours any day of the week...including holidays. The very fact that you brought this up takes 20 points off of whatever I.Q. you might think you have.
You actually may be losing I.Q. points with every word that you type Sir. You are certainly losing credibility.
Carry on wayward son.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 01, 2015, 02:06:20 AM
I would stack my I.Q. against yours any day of the week...including holidays.
Im trembling, wait, its just cold.
I retired at age 32, own multiple homes, and graduated college 2 years early, not to mention being a Russian, Greek, and Prakrit (ancient Pali) translator.
Likewise I was chess champ in high school and college.
Go impress the dumb women with your presumed IQ, .... couldnt give a damn.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 02:11:51 AM
Im trembling, wait, its just cold.
I retired at age 32, own multiple homes, and graduated college 2 years early, not to mention being a Russian, Greek, and Prakrit (ancient Pali) translator.
Likewise I was chess champ in high school and college.
Go impress the dumb women with your presumed IQ, .... couldnt give a damn.
So...ummm...this means what? Are you claiming that Einstein never owned a home? Or, he never played chess? Or never retired?
You are ranting here and making even less sense than usual. Your preference for dumb women is not germaine to this conversation and you might want to keep that to yourself. Also, bragging about owning "homes" might not be a good thing if all of those homes have flat tires.
Bill
That explains everything: it's in the box "was". "Now" trembling of cold... Heat your multiple houses!
But don't worry, life is just like that; have hope after patenting your idea of Magnetic Vortex.
My advice if you are a Russian: don't drink too much vodka: it makes only illusions of solving problems.
hoppy new yar kem....fom from Ukraineskie kraij..
"My advice if you are a Russian: drink much vodka: it makes only illusions of solving problems possible, happy new year Ken.. and piss off ...."
happy yar form Ukrainsky krai...
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Acca.....
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Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 01, 2015, 01:45:52 AM
No evidence? Have you not heard of...THE BOMB?
You just fucked up idiot, here is your original statement:
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 01, 2015, 01:45:52 AM
You are right. Einstein only REINVENTED Physics as we know it.
To which I said.......
Thats a HEFTY GODDAMN CLAIM son,
Einstein was CONSULTED on the bomb, .........he NEITHER INVENTED IT, NOR CREATED IT NOR BUILT IT........NOR NOR NOR.............How it works is, THEORETICAL PONTIFICATION PHYSICS (idiots musing about shit that DOESNT EXIST) ............... is NOT PHYSICS
See, how it works , son, is PHYSICS root is PHYSICAL,.........meaning "real shit",...........not THEORIES
Nothing in EMPIRICAL PHYSICS has one goddamn SINGLE thing to do with ANYTHING that idiot Einstein said.
Einstein didnt change PHYSICS whatsoever....................THEORETICAL "PHYSICS", is not PHYSICS (the REAL),............. moron.
Youre an idiot ;D ;D ;D ;D
THIS WORLD RUNS ON TESLAS STUFF BOY, .............and not ONE GODDAMN BIT of it from Einstein.
Quote from: Acca on January 01, 2015, 04:52:53 AM
"My advice if you are a Russian: drink much vodka: it makes only illusions of solving problems possible, happy new year Ken.. and piss off ...."
I never drink. Nor celebrate holidays
I was drunk ONCE in college 20 some years ago.. Never again.
Quote:
"EINSTEIN: Nothing in the entire modern world runs off anything Einstein said or did. Nearly everyone knows his name."
Wrong again: what about the Universe?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 05:07:49 AM
You just fucked up idiot, here is your original statement:
Environment influences behaviour: recent rouble - trouble plus living in troubled Russia governed by god-like president (Путин) makes you frustrated; that's normal.
Quote from: Qwert on January 01, 2015, 07:57:29 AM
Quote:
"EINSTEIN: Nothing in the entire modern world runs off anything Einstein said or did. Nearly everyone knows his name."
Wrong again: what about the Universe?
Exactly as about the magnetism and nothing more!
One thing Einstein seems to have got right " life is like riding a bicycle, in order to keep
your balance you've got to keep moving".
That statement pre-dates Einstein by quite a few
years. It is what amounts to common knowledge
or common sense.
Did Einstein ever have an original thought?
Many have tried to find one but with little success.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 03:17:16 AM
The absolute truth, as it happens, magnetism is NOT a field in definition, once finally reduced, rather a force of the loss of dielectric inertia
Magnetism is a FORCE, not a field, all spatially divergent Ether modalities are the loss of counterspatial inertia, expressed either as magnetism, or spatial condensates as matter, or as transverse expressions of electricity. There is only ONE FIELD, dielectricity, the rest are field modalities with divergent expressions.
and no, Im not contradicting myself, however as a CONTRIVANCE, speaking about "magnetic fields" is acceptable for DISCUSSION, .......but the brass tacks are that MAGNETISM IS NOT A FIELD
@TA
Top of the year to you and everyone (who cares right).
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I think your brain is starting to tick in reality and I will give you a few more months and if your logic is as pristine as can be hoped, you will eventually dispense with the field, the counter-field, the dielectric counter-dielectric mumbo jumbo and just realize that magnets are a Localized Gravity Source. Then you will get to a point where you will only analyze gravity and its true purpose and relationship to mass, atoms and the atomic core.
Magnets = Localized Gravity Source - Like Earth and Sun except they are bigger.
Atoms = Binding shell but non-electron, with a core depending on the element, I have identified 6 major attributes which are Stay, Show, Sway, Swing, Spin and Shoot. These 6 attributes explain all the physical phenomena we call electricity, heat, light and everything in between.
Space = Diluted Gravity Presence (you float in space because gravity is equal all around you).
These three items are all you need to create a universe. Throw enough atoms out into space and eventually you will produce worlds, no magnetic field required.
Just realize that all the images of patterns you showed with your magnet paper over a magnet are the affect of localized and/or centralized gravity and the atoms of your magnet paper are just angling themselves to that magnets' center point thus creating your patterns. Your FLIR showing heat in the magnet is just a limitation of your instrument when looking at a reflective surface. hehehe
Anyways, with the above simple three systems, all the effects we have ever seen on our benches can be both explained in a visual sense and matches all the measurement data we know of. Without any need to entertain any notions of electron and fields.
Example:
What I mean is you can make a coil and pulse it with 200 watts any way you want or take a good sized magnet, does not matter one bit. Then you take two measurement devices, one specifically designed by Standard EE to measure what is the so called flux field and another instrument that is specifically designed to measure Earth Gravity. You place both sensors at the same distance from the coil, let's say 1/4" away. You obtain two measurement values, one in Tesla and the other in Newtons. Which one is right? If both are right, then why are we only looking at one result?
So imagine, they invented the notion of the magnetic field from long ago but had to then explain what the field did when it passed a wire, so they invented the electron as being around the atom so when the field moved the electrons inside the wire flowed to produce electricity. After these invented notions of a field, they needed to measure it and this they called it after the master of all electricity, Mr. Tesla. They used his name to fame to solder the deal, since no one in their right mind would argue with Mr. Tesla.
So the question is why. Why go to all the trouble of inventing a totally mystical dogma of energy, when it all was explained in Newtons as Gravity. Well it is very simple. Newton had enough fame for 10 men, and some men wanted some of that fame for themselves and we are living the back end of this today. Then the Quantum story began because electrons were not enough, we know had to have nuclei with protons and neutrons made of quarks and now with higgs bosons and every other "ons" one can think of to make a name for oneself. It's sub-atomic hunting season and the winnings go to the biggest kill. I know, how else could they have justified spending a good billion of more on colliders. History 101 for OUers.
wattsup
What a GIGANTIC WASTE OF TIME somebody did on this. How does this help the world get away from petroleum?
SM never needed that depth of "hodge podge" info to make his Historic TPU Free Electricity device.
Nor did Floyd Sweet to make his historic VTA Free Electricity device.
Really sad that someone would waste this amount of time, yet ABSOLUTELY FAILED to show a Magnetic
device to deliver free electricity. So Really, Really SAD, to say the least.
.
Quote from: Qwert on January 01, 2015, 07:57:29 AM
Quote:
"EINSTEIN: Nothing in the entire modern world runs off anything Einstein said or did. Nearly everyone knows his name."
Wrong again: what about the Universe?
Insane bullshit, his rancid goddamn theory is still THAT, a FUCKING THEORY
Space NOR Time are forces or fields, and CANNOT ACT ON ANYTHING
Tesla also said the same, ...........
your hero is an INTELLECTUAL PEDOPHILE
Quote from: wattsup on January 01, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
when it all was explained in Newtons as Gravity.
Newton was an idiot. Gravity is neither a force, NOR a field,
its an acceleration towards counterspace
Magnetic centripetal convergence, or inertia vector convergence in the Poincare disk hyperboloid is gravity.
The bullshit everyone calls "magnetic attraction" is absolutely the same force rarefaction (inertial compression) which is ALSO Gravity.
True denotation is , of course, that the notion of "magnetic attraction" doesnt exist, radiation forces are the INVERSE to attraction, Radiation cannot, may not, can NEVER attract anything. its impossible.
"If you were to tell someone close to you that 'there is utterly no such thing as magnetic attraction', they would inquire as to your
medication or wonder what the punch line is. The very premise, from countless thousands of years past to the present, as evidenced
from 'magnets' accelerating nails, iron bits, and ferrous objects to the 'magnet', and 'opposite poles attracting/accelerating towards
each other', is as deeply ingrained in the human consciousness as the Sun rising in the East every morning. The ancient lie, this
perceptual titanic error is as innate as breathing. As is the case, all attraction (and 'repulsion') is governed by dielectricity, not
magnetism, which is the 'dielectric field' -Faraday, which in discharging, is the radiation Ether-modality we call magnetism. That
magnetism is reaching out in space is not in question, however radiation only displaces things, as in the case of magnetism, causes an
inductive reaction at the interatomic magneto-dielectric of ferrous objects, thereby causing dielectric coherency from magnetic
displacement and resultant acceleration to the 'magnet' as the act of dielectric voidance. Radiation attracts nothing. Soon you will
find out the simplex nature of the "magnet" which is powered by dielectric coherency (either I.D.C. induced dielectric coherency, or
I.D.C.C. induced dielectric capacitance and coherency) and likewise you will have a clear, lucid, logical, coherent, proved
understanding of magnets and magnetism that explains all observed phenomena of same" - Author
Newton himself admitted he didnt have a damn clue about IAAD (instant action at a distance).
"It is inconceivable that inanimate Matter should, without the mediation of something else, which is not material, operate upon, and
affect other matter without mutual contact. Gravity should be innate, inherent and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon
another at a distance thru a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else, by and through which their action and course may be
conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent
faculty of thinking can ever fall into (for) it. Gravity must be caused by an agent acting constantly according to certain laws; but
whether this agent be material or immaterial, I have left to the consideration of my readers."
- Sir Isaac Newton, Letters to Bentley,
1692
Walter Russell greatly attacked Newton as well, and his reasoning for same are 100% ACCURATE.
Newtons laws of motion are almost entirely FLAWED.
Quote from: FatBird on January 01, 2015, 03:12:43 PM
yet ABSOLUTELY FAILED to show a Magnetic
device to deliver free electricity. .
Keep praying for Unicorns, overunity doesnt exist, cannot exist.
all energy is a force modality tapped, FROM WHICH it can only come from the loss of potential, that being inertia
The Ether doesnt "LEAK" out free force like a baby with a wet diaper. ;D
Idiots who want such things are watering dirt without having planted any seeds
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 07:23:24 PM
Newton was an idiot.
Newtons laws of motion are almost entirely FLAWED.
So, let's recap a bit here:
You called Einstein an idiot.
You called me an idiot.
Now here you are calling Newton an idiot.
I see a pattern here. The pattern is that whenever you run into someone more intelligent than you, you call them an idiot. By doing this, it somehow makes you feel smarter. The problem with this is...everyone reading knows who the real idiot is.
You make it obvious.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 01, 2015, 07:49:51 PM
I see a pattern here. The pattern is that whenever you run into someone more intelligent than you, you call them an idiot. By doing this, it somehow makes you feel smarter. The problem with this is...everyone reading knows who the real idiot is.
You make it obvious.
Your pattern is that of a SHEEP, you have no mind of your own, if the world was praising Hitler in 1940s Germany, you would call him a HERO as well.
Youre a damn SHEEP, like most people.Tesla called Einstein an IDIOT, a fool a "FUZZY HAIRED CRACKPOT"- TESLA
As for Newton,........he admitted he had NO FUCKING CLUE how or WHAT instant action at a distance WAS, or HOW IT WORKED
He himself ADMITTED IT, got that, moron? If these statements are demonstrable, then the Newtonian law cannot be true, for every change of dimension whatsoever in any mass alters the ability of that mass to conform to the requirements of that law either by exceeding those requirements or by falling short of them. - RUSSELL
Motion cannot express itself in the direction of a straight line.
Newton's first law of physics which states that a moving body left to itself moves on forever in a straight line with a uniform velocity, is not in conformity with the laws of motion.
In this universe of varying pressures, all masses floating "in space" constantly move in the direction of their changing potentials. This direction is always spiral.
All motion being spiral, all direction being curved, and all pressure planes being conic sections, electric action can not proceed directly north from south in a straight line, but must progress toward north in a spiral direction. - RUSSELL
Youre like a sick teenager girl in love with Justin Beieber because........ "everyone else is"
Wisdom is a stranger to you, you have no mind of your own to employ logic
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 07:17:13 PM
Insane bullshit, his rancid goddamn theory is still THAT, a FUCKING THEORY
Space NOR Time are forces or fields, and CANNOT ACT ON ANYTHING
Tesla also said the same, ........... your hero is an INTELLECTUAL PEDOPHILE
Of course, it's theory. But in fact, LIFE is also theory: to my knowledge NOBODY yet proved/showed, etc. in absolute convincing way how the LIFE (and DEATH) works. So, taking under consideration your way of reasoning, one must be an idiot to believe there exist something called LIFE.
Quote from: Qwert on January 01, 2015, 10:05:35 PM
Of course, it's theory. But in fact, LIFE is also theory: to my knowledge NOBODY yet proved/showed, etc. in absolute convincing way how the LIFE (and DEATH) works. So, taking under consideration your way of reasoning, one must be an idiot to believe there exist something called LIFE.
life and death work the same way as does magnetic reciprocation, a curvilinear path of peaking divergence and entropic synthesis ending in disassociation of the nous from the persona non-grata (ie the empirical body).
the body is the PRODUCT OF force and motion left behind at the return of noetic inertia (in greek, the NOUS)
"the gate thru which noBODY can pass, but all must enter"if you get that, you have wisdom, if not...........
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 10:56:18 PM
life and death work the same way as does magnetic reciprocation, a curvilinear path of peaking divergence and entropic synthesis ending in disassociation of the nous from the persona non-grata (ie the empirical body).
the body is the PRODUCT OF force and motion left behind at the return of noetic inertia (in greek, the NOUS)
"the gate thru which noBODY can pass, but all must enter"
if you get that, you have wisdom, if not...........
Taking under consideration your way of reasoning, to create life, one needs a kitchen robot and some magnets( ??? ?) And some magic wordings.
Quote from: Qwert on January 01, 2015, 11:10:23 PM
Taking under consideration your way of reasoning, to create life, one needs a kitchen robot and some magnets( ??? ?) And some magic wordings.
youre confusing bullshit religion with logical metaphysics, ala Plato, and the rest of his kinsmen.
an intersection of multiple golden section biologics is 'what it takes' for a Nous to become coincident with same.
Of course the Atomistic moron speaking of "no soul in the body" (ala the fucking atheistic idiot) is like the dumb shit looking for a radio signal IN the radio, which there is none.
that however has no bearing on the fact that there IS A GODDAMN SIGNAL anterior to the radio, AND POSTERIOR to the radio.
Atheism isnt VILE for denial of god, but for denial of the ontological substrate to phenomena,
this is technically called "metaphysical atheism"
So, how to explain the LIFE without "bullshit religion with logical metaphysics, ala Plato, and the rest of his kinsmen."?
Quote from: Qwert on January 02, 2015, 01:55:08 AM
So, how to explain the LIFE without "bullshit religion with logical metaphysics, ala Plato, and the rest of his kinsmen."?
go read PLOTINUS
I said WITH metaphysics, not WITHOUT
Remarkable! How it is possible to glorify one idiot while condemning another one? (Einstein, Plotinus).
Quote from: Qwert on January 02, 2015, 02:22:11 AM
Remarkable! How it is possible to glorify one idiot while condemning another one? (Einstein, Plotinus).
Your comment shows you have no idea who Plotinus was.
dont comment on stuff you know nothing about
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:33:54 AM
Your comment shows you have no idea who Plotinus was.
dont comment on stuff you know nothing about
I see: I'll be condemned and go to hell, right? ???
Quote from: Qwert on January 02, 2015, 02:59:40 AM
I see: I'll be condemned and go to hell, right? ???
Religions have already been defined as bullshit for weak minds.
Ergo, why mention BS like hell?
What a waste of time and resources for you Ken, with these useless contradiction with various! I think is enough to just expose an idea and let each one interested to deepen it, at his level of knowledge and understanding! And do not pay attention to those who foolishly, or on misunderstanding or even on bad intentions challenge you, or expect solutions and answers in place to look for by themselves. I am sure you don't want to see only dogmatics around you, who just blindly believe and repeat meaningless rather than understand it.
Btw, please notify the etymological and phonetic similarity between ananki (ανάγκη) and ananghie, and pay attention to the suffix ghie instead of ke, which one is oldest! Also the word "ananghie" does not have a definitive, imperative meaning and without alternative, but express a momentary situation, whose manifestation has an addictive and fluent logic to previous actions. Somehow as your analogy of radio and the radio signal!
Quote from: sadang on January 02, 2015, 04:25:46 AM
previous actions. Somehow as your analogy of radio and the radio signal!
There is an entire LARGE book on ANANKE in greek history, it likewise has no conclusion as to the origins.
ananke and Ahorismos are ultimately the same meaning.
Necessity is no accurate translation, nor is there one for NOUS and countless terms I have to translate in Pali, such as SAMMA, and CITTA, Samadhi has no accurate translation.
I comprehend their context and meaning, but there is no translation, just as there is none in english between mind and consciousness, however the differentiation is radical in ancient metaphysics.
Ananke is ultimately the expression of the irreducible co-principle, or attribute of an irreducible Absolute, or pure Subject.
Nothing IS, but by that which it may be known or expressed, as pertains its attribute.
Quote"If you were to tell someone close to you that 'there is utterly no such thing as magnetic attraction', they would inquire as to your medication or wonder what the punch line is.
Trust me man I'm on your side. There is this repulsion attraction going on since the beginning. I even see religion as true based on this repulsion and attraction going on God VS devil. Negative VS positive. "evolution" VS "death".
QuoteThe very premise, from countless thousands of years past to the present, as evidenced
from 'magnets' accelerating nails, iron bits, and ferrous objects to the 'magnet', and 'opposite poles attracting/accelerating towards
each other', is as deeply ingrained in the human consciousness as the Sun rising in the East every morning. The ancient lie, this
perceptual titanic error is as innate as breathing. As is the case, all attraction (and 'repulsion') is governed by dielectricity, not
magnetism, which is the 'dielectric field' -Faraday, which in discharging, is the radiation Ether-modality we call magnetism.
I am mad at the "common knowledge" of civilization not being able to understand life! Even if I try to understand what you are saying I'm 100% sure you mean the roots. And these roots you understand by learning about it. Magnetism is gravity and a magnet holds the answers to life! There is no gravity with out magnetism! There is no electricity with out magnetism! We live an electric magnetized world. There is no gravity in the real world! From my understanding. I need to learn what "dielectric" means! It sounds like the opposite of electric.
QuoteThat
magnetism is reaching out (as, in the creation of) "into" space is not in question, however radiation only displaces things, as in the case of magnetism, causes an
inductive reaction at the interatomic magneto-dielectric of ferrous objects, thereby causing dielectric coherency from magnetic
displacement and resultant acceleration to the 'magnet' as the act of dielectric voidance. Radiation attracts nothing. Soon you will
find out the simplex nature of the "magnet" which is powered by dielectric coherency (either I.D.C. induced dielectric coherency, or
I.D.C.C. induced dielectric capacitance and coherency) and likewise you will have a clear, lucid, logical, coherent, proved
understanding of magnets and magnetism that explains all observed phenomena of same" - Uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism.
Dude, your mind is 100% focused on the magnetic "molecule". And that is something to admire. I personally believe that some people are born with the "evolution" genetic code. Or it can be due to just the simple fact of just learning and you will eventually be smarter than them. But you are gifted. I see you looking at the "magnetism" molecule by itself while others don't see magnetism as a big deal but rather want the fastest cars or the most expensive clothing, for example. You are so focused in the "vortex" that it makes sense in your mind from your many years of thinking about it.
I sometimes am amazed how a simple apple falling on this guy head thought about gravity and that we all live based on past laws since all laws "evolve". Your brain is evolving faster than 90% of the rest! You are focusing on the "vertex" so much that I am 100% sure you know 90% more than others who have never thought about the vortex!
I'm sure you have nothing but to teach those blinded. Thanks.
Having said that, can you explain how this electromagnetic world works?
Have you thought about how the solar system works with your magnetic mind?
Do you think that if mars was to somehow replace the earth, mars would then get an atmosphere to create life then we would have a bigger earth? Think about it. Replace earth with mars with some "fuel" in the balance of earth. How much "fuel/energy" would it require to put mars in the earths orbit? Can it be done? I've thought about that a few times. But them I just see mars being a bigger reaths with the same outcome.
What are your predictions to the future based on your studies of magnetism, or should I say, is there a bad side to magnetism?
Have you ever thought why magnetism exists?
Thanks man for picking at your brain. Ignore me if you feel the need to. :) I think a lot.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 04:25:37 AM
Religions have already been defined as bullshit for weak minds.
Agree. But Plotinus recognizes the notion of the SOUL. So, it's bullshit what he says.
Quote from: Qwert on January 02, 2015, 07:07:42 AM
Agree. But Plotinus recognizes the notion of the SOUL. So, it's bullshit what he says.
He would be a fool to deny the Soul. I translate ancient Greek, including Plotinus, so thanks for the obvious there.
This is what METAPHYSICAL ATHEISM is, ......... the denial of the soul, ........forgetting altogether about God, of course.
You are a trillion miles from matching wits with Plotinus, any comment you have on same regarding him is not even to be considered for consideration.
Quote from: joel321 on January 02, 2015, 05:50:32 AM
Have you ever thought why magnetism exists?
endlessly for countless years.
The equation for the loss of inertia is 1/Phi^-3
the why is necessitated as per Platonic emanationism (proodos), likewise irreducible co-principle to the most simplex subject, that being the Agathon.
Agree again. I feel bad discussing Metaphysics. So, back to Magnetic Vortex: what direction it spins: CW? CCW? And why spinning is not seen in that known simple experiment with magnetic dust placed on a sheet of paper and a magnet placed still underside?
Quote from: Qwert on January 02, 2015, 11:00:58 AM
And why spinning is not seen in that known simple experiment with magnetic dust placed on a sheet of paper and a magnet placed still underside?
because the dust becomes "frozen" and induced in the force vectors and you cannot see flow vortex....... , however with the FERROCELL you can, of course.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:01:50 PM
because the dust becomes "frozen" and induced in the force vectors and you cannot see flow vortex....... , however with the FERROCELL you can, of course.
Your light show, that is, the Ferrocell, does not demonstrate "spinning" any more or less than the dusted particles Qwert asked about.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 08:10:36 AM
endlessly for countless years.
The equation for the loss of inertia is 1/Phi^-3
the why is necessitated as per Platonic emanationism (proodos), likewise irreducible co-principle to the most simplex subject, that being the Agathon.
You had better stick to Buddhism, because your "math" is truly laughable.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 08:10:36 AM
endlessly for countless years.
The equation for the loss of inertia is 1/Phi^-3
the why is necessitated as per Platonic emanationism (proodos), likewise irreducible co-principle to the most simplex subject, that being the Agathon.
Hello Sir,
not sure if i understand that?
with the "correct" phi value =1.618033 it became
1/Phi^-3 = 0.2360679.....
why not using the very simple arithmetic calculations, not requiring PI, PHI or Log, this is how nature creates harmonies and natural intervals that exist everywhere not just on your piano?
Pythagoras (the natural whole number science) vs modern scientists
Best Regards
luc2010
The equation for the loss of inertia is 1/Phi^-3
In the first place that's not an equation.
Let's break it down. Phi, the Golden Ratio, a dimensionless number, is roughly 1.6180339887....
Phi^-3 is therefore 0.236067978 (roughly). And 1/Phi^-3 is therefore 4.236067977...
So your claim is that "the equation for the loss of inertia is 4.236067977...."
Which is, of course, complete nonsense.
Quote from: luc2010 on January 02, 2015, 02:24:50 PM
Hello Sir,
not sure if i understand that?
with the "correct" phi value =1.618033 it became
1/Phi^-3 = 0.2360679.....
why not using the very simple arithmetic calculations, not requiring PI, PHI or Log, this is how nature creates harmonies and natural intervals that exist everywhere not just on your piano?
Pythagoras (the natural whole number science) vs modern scientists
Best Regards
luc2010
These constants are values that occur in natural relationships.
Quote from: luc2010 on January 02, 2015, 02:24:50 PM
Hello Sir,
not sure if i understand that?
with the "correct" phi value =1.618033 it became
1/Phi^-3 = 0.2360679.....
why not using the very simple arithmetic calculations, not requiring PI, PHI or Log, this is how nature creates harmonies and natural intervals that exist everywhere not just on your piano?
Pythagoras (the natural whole number science) vs modern scientists
Best Regards
luc2010
You left out a step. Your result is just Phi^-3, you need now to take the inverse.
Just type 1/1.618033^-3 into the Google search window.
Quote from: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 02:06:36 PM
Your light show, that is, the Ferrocell, does not demonstrate "spinning" any more or less than the dusted particles Qwert asked about.
then the idiot made a baseless claim for which has neither logic nor evidence
the echo faded................
the hypotrochoid convergent and divergent vortex is present,........... unless youre blind.
go pound sand.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 02, 2015, 02:36:23 PM
Your result is just Phi^-3
you cant do math i see !!Phi^-3 = .23606..........
I SAID:
1/Phi^-3 = 4.23606............
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa
Does that pattern arise without you rotating the ferrocell manually? Please show a video where you simply place the ferrocell onto the magnet without any manual rotation, and let us watch the pattern develop by itself.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:37:43 PM
then the idiot made a baseless claim for which has neither logic nor evidence
the echo faded................
the hypotrochoid convergent and divergent vortex is present,........... unless youre blind.
go pound sand.
Yep, that's definitely a very pretty light show with stationary patterns, as in "non-spinning", being produced.
Have you ever asked yourself what those patterns would look like if the Ferrocell were square or triangular?
A good experimentalist would...
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:39:15 PM
you cant do math i see !!
Phi^-3 = .23606..........
I SAID:
1/Phi^-3 = 4.23606............
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa
You are misquoting me, you idiot. Can't you even read?
Why don't you quote the whole post? I know why, and so do you.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 02, 2015, 02:30:00 PM
The equation for the loss of inertia is 1/Phi^-3
In the first place that's not an equation.
Let's break it down. Phi, the Golden Ratio, a dimensionless number, is roughly 1.6180339887....
Phi^-3 is therefore 0.236067978 (roughly). And 1/Phi^-3 is therefore 4.236067977...
So your claim is that "the equation for the loss of inertia is 4.236067977...."
Which is, of course, complete nonsense.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 02, 2015, 02:41:22 PM
Does that pattern arise without you rotating the ferrocell manually?
Holy shit YES. You can see any of 40 OR MORE videos where
I just lay it there, and it forms on its own, of course
NO MOVEMENT, NO ROTATION.
many examples in said video>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyT6K0lfwxY
If you want, ill even make a video tonight of that, with the lights partially on, so you can see me lay it there, and it forming.
....if you want.
You really stepped into it that time, Kenny baby, and the proof is there for everyone to see.
Quote from: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 02:43:06 PM
Have you ever asked yourself what those patterns would look like if the Ferrocell were square or triangular?
A good experimentalist would...
thats already been done actually, using 4 ferrocells as a partial BOX and seeing the magnet under it.
The hypotrochoid and whole HYPERBOLOID is present and CAN ONLY BE FORMED one way........ ONLY ONE WAY.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 02, 2015, 02:43:24 PM
So your claim is that "the equation for the loss of inertia is 4.236067977...."
Which is, of course, complete nonsense.
I like baseless claims, they fling themselves into the trash all on their own.
However that expression takes 200 pages to explain, and you couldnt get past page 1.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:47:32 PM
thats already been done actually, using 4 ferrocells as a partial BOX and seeing the magnet under it.
The hypotrochoid and whole HYPERBOLOID is present and CAN ONLY BE FORMED one way........ ONLY ONE WAY.
Four "round" Ferrocells?
Quote from: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 02:43:06 PM
Yep, that's definitely a very pretty light show with stationary patterns
A hypotrochoid 'pattern' can ONLY BE PRODUCED ONE WAY
It is impossible for anyone on earth to extrapolate and draw a hypotrochoid pattern as a STATIONARY PROJECTION
Simplex geometry is a stranger in your brain.
AMAZING IDIOCY
convergent and divergent pressure mediation is clear and obvious,...........(unless youre a dufus)
TA,
is it really true you manually turn something in some of the ferrocell pics?
John.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:54:00 PM
A hypotrochoid 'pattern' can ONLY BE PRODUCED ONE WAY
It is impossible for anyone on earth to extrapolate and draw a hypotrochoid pattern as a STATIONARY PROJECTION
Simplex geometry is a stranger in your brain.
AMAZING IDIOCY
Which is exactly why a good experimentalist would test a Ferrocell with a non-circular geometry before drawing any conclusions based on the observations made with a circular Ferrocell.
And again, your patterns sure look stationary (as opposed to spinning as per Qwert's question)...
Quote from: minnie on January 02, 2015, 02:54:16 PM
TA,
is it really true you manually turn something in some of the ferrocell pics?
John.
manually turn the magnet UNDER the ferrocell? YES, sometimes.
IN THE PICTURES, NO
the videos.......YES
if however you want a VIDEO TONIGHT of me just setting it on top, or on bottom, ill do that!!!!
the same image forms immediately ON ITS OWN ;D
Quote from: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 02:56:32 PM
Which is exactly why a good experimentalist would test a Ferrocell with a non-circular geometry before drawing any conclusions based on the observations made with a circular
HAR HAR HAR HAR!!!! ;D ;D ;D
thats already been done, however by the inventor using SQUARE SLIDES of glass!!!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:58:32 PM
HAR HAR HAR HAR!!!! ;D ;D ;D
thats already been done, however by the inventor using SQUARE SLIDES of glass!!!
So, where are the images produced using a square Ferrocell?
Okay, so is the ferrocell just a suspension of very tiny long and thin magnetic particles in a viscous goop? And then all of the pretty lines are from particles lined up to reflect the light? Or perhaps they are diffraction grating effects? Or a combination of both?
I find it intriguing with all of the "Spirograph" images through and can't explain them. It just feels like they are too elaborate or something.
It would seem to be similar to magnetic viewing film except for all of the pretty patterns. And of course if you look at clips from Jason Verbelli when he plays with magnetic viewing film, he hasn't a clue what he is doing or what the patterns he sees actually mean. What's more shocking is that he does not ask himself if he understands what he is seeing.
No matter what, I think that we would agree that Kenny is being thrown off onto a wild goose chase because he too doesn't understand what he is looking at and he has invented a "universe" to fit in with what he sees.
It's a long and winding garden path that has led into a garden maze. I'm afraid that Kenny is stuck in the maze but he is happy to be stuck in the maze.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on January 02, 2015, 03:00:50 PM
Okay, so is the ferrocell just a suspension of very tiny long and thin magnetic particles in a viscous goop?
Yes and no. Just tiny particles suspended in fluid, i.e., ferrofluid. A thin layer of the ferrofluid is contained between two glass discs with minimal spacing between them. Illumination is via a ring of LED's positioned about the periphery of the glass discs.
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And then all of the pretty lines are from particles lined up to reflect the light? Or perhaps they are diffraction grating effects? Or a combination of both?
Both
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I find it intriguing with all of the "Spirograph" images through and can't explain them. It just feels like they are too elaborate or something.
Pretty cool aren't they!
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It would seem to be similar to magnetic viewing film except for all of the pretty patterns. And of course if you look at clips from Jason Verbelli when he plays with magnetic viewing film, he hasn't a clue what he is doing or what the patterns he sees actually mean. What's more shocking is that he does not ask himself if he understands what he is seeing.
No matter what, I think that we would agree that Kenny is being thrown off onto a wild goose chase because he too doesn't understand what he is looking at and he has invented a "universe" to fit in with what he sees.
It's a long and winding garden path that has led into a garden maze. I'm afraid that Kenny is stuck in the maze but he is happy to be stuck in the maze.
MileHigh
I agree...
PW
PW:
Thanks for the explanations. When you see bulk ferrofluid in action it looks like an oily goop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXvar-4M6VA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXvar-4M6VA)
It certainly makes for fascinating kinetic sculptures.
So if I understand the ferrofluid itself is magnetic and composed of long and thin magnetic particles. I am assuming that when the layer of ferrofluid is thin enough then you can see through it to make ferrocells.
Now what happened to all the excitement in the 80s about magnetic bubble memory? lol
MileHigh
These "Sixty Symbols" clips are are a series of great educational clips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2hHbgAAnjc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2hHbgAAnjc)
P.S.: Okay from the clip I want to add a clarification (for myself). The ferrofluid is paramagnetic. So it only lines up when it is in the presence of an external magnetic field. Take the magnetic field away and you are basically back to goop. Add an external magnetic field and then you have the little particles in the ferrofluid aligning themselves with the external magnetic field producing all of the pretty reflection and diffraction patterns.
Quote from: MileHigh on January 02, 2015, 03:36:46 PM
PW:
Thanks for the explanations. When you see bulk ferrofluid in action it looks like an oily goop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXvar-4M6VA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXvar-4M6VA)
It certainly makes for fascinating kinetic sculptures.
So if I understand the ferrofluid itself is magnetic and composed of long and thin magnetic particles. I am assuming that when the layer of ferrofluid is thin enough then you can see through it to make ferrocells.
Now what happened to all the excitement in the 80s about magnetic bubble memory? lol
MileHigh
I suppose a ferrofluid could be formulated using particles of various shapes, but typically the particles used are sub-micron spheroids or an approximation thereof. The particles are typically coated with a surfactant to ensure wetting and prevent clumping within the fluid. I have some very old ferrofluid (from the 70's) that has turned into a solid clump in the bottom of the vial. Modern formulations are much better. As occurs with iron filings on paper, the ferrofluid particles align with the field, and as they themselves become magnetic, they also orient and repel themselves from neighboring particles. Very cool patterns can be generated when playing with ferrofluid.
And yes, the layer of ferrofluid used in the Ferrocell is thin enough to be somewhat transparent.
However, I do not understand why TK thinks that the magnet must be in motion to produce the patterns presented.
PW
Thanks to picowatt and the arboreal marsupial I can pretty much visualise how the lovely
patterns are arrived at. My original impressions seem now to have been somewhat naive!
Oh well, live and learn.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:37:43 PM
then the idiot made a baseless claim for which has neither logic nor evidence
the echo faded................
the hypotrochoid convergent and divergent vortex is present,........... unless youre blind.
go pound sand.
One idiot made a baseless claim and another idiot answered, not even noticing baseless claim, until somebody else made some objection.
Quote from: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 03:50:09 PM
Very cool patterns can be generated when playing with ferrofluid.
IDIOT, you arent seeing ferrofluid in the lens from the patterns,......, youre seeing LIGHT
ferrofluid itself produces NO SUCH PATTERNS IN ITS USE in standalone.
you never heard of the faraday effect obviously
TA,
what practical uses you see from your imaginary discovery? Or you are going to feed the family of Einstein-like-idiots with discoveries without any practical meaning?
Hello,
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:39:15 PM
you cant do math i see !!
Phi^-3 = .23606..........
I SAID:
1/Phi^-3 = 4.23606............
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa
1/Phi^-3 = 4.23606............
what this does means?
WE multiply PHI 3 times! SO
EACH FIBONACCI NUMBER REPRESENT ONE-QUARTER OF A CYCLE... Any relation to the (star)pent i guess?
sorry for my ignorence i am just trying to understand The equation for the loss of inertia is 1/Phi^-3
Best Regards
luc2010
Quote from: luc2010 on January 02, 2015, 08:15:52 PM
Hello,
1/Phi^-3 = 4.23606............
what this does means?
WE multiply PHI 3 times! SO
EACH FIBONACCI NUMBER REPRESENT ONE-QUARTER OF A CYCLE... Any relation to the (star)pent i guess?
sorry for my ignorence i am just trying to understand The equation for the loss of inertia is 1/Phi^-3
Best Regards
luc2010
it would take forever to explain, sorry.
Far far too long
1/Phi^-3 can be expressed another way: 1/Phi-3 (one_divided_by_[Phi_magnified_by_-3])
Quote from: Qwert on January 02, 2015, 08:42:22 PM
1/Phi^-3 can be expressed in another way: 1/Phi-3 (one divided by [Phi magnified -3 ])
1/x = x
-1 1/x
n = x
-n phi
-3 = 1/phi
3 1/phi
-3 = phi
3
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2011/12/magnetic_vortex_-_experimental.html
it is old and PRATICAL
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 08:32:14 PM
it would take forever to explain, sorry.
Far far too long
In the book ( Uncovering the the missing secrets of magnetisms 3 edition september 25/ 2014 236 pages)
I could not find a single word about fibonacci??? Strange, i just hope that i am wrong about this..
"Mother nature has never taken a course in math, algebra and she absolutly rejects the nonsense espoused by quantum........." page 16
its seems that mother nature have not only just take a course in math, but equiped with supper computer (or with little help of angels ;) ) that can handel all these calculations!?
please, can Anyone explaine this?
Regards
luc2010
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:50:35 PM
I like baseless claims,...
You sure do, and we all know that you love to make them.
Oh, you also like to call really smart, educated scientists and physicists idiots. You even called me an idiot, even though I am not even anywhere in the league of those other smart guys. I have lost track, you have most likely called TK, and Milehigh and MarkE an idiot also at one time or another. So, at least I feel like I am in good company.
You have the science lingo down and you might actually be intelligent but....your delivery is terrible and by demeaning others to boost yourself up never works. If you get just a little smarter...you will figure this out. I mean, maybe you really do have something to offer...it is just a shame that no one will ever know one way or the other due to your other shortcomings.
Bill
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 08:09:15 PM
IDIOT, you arent seeing ferrofluid in the lens from the patterns,......, youre seeing LIGHT
ferrofluid itself produces NO SUCH PATTERNS IN ITS USE in standalone.
you never heard of the faraday effect obviously
So, you don't think the patterns produced by ferrofluid are cool?
My comment was in reference to this video MH linked to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXvar-4M6VA
With regards to your Ferocell, please feel free to correct me if my description of its construction is in error. My description was based on what you have posted in the past regarding its construction. And yes, I think the patterns you produce with your Ferocell are also very cool.
If the size of the particles in the Ferrocell's fluid are significantly smaller than the wavelength of the illumination light, I could easily agree with you that the Faraday effect (i.e., the rotation of the polarization of light source) is also involved in the creation of the intricate patterns produced. This was a topic of discussion earlier on (months ago) in this thread.
If you can tell us more about the particles (size and shape) and the fluid used in your Ferocell, I am certain many here, including myself, would find that to be of interest. However, I believe in the past that stated you were bound by IP related concerns.
Even if it is given that Faraday rotation of the polarization is also affecting the diffusion and reflection of the illumination source by and from the suspended and aligned particles, there is no evidence to support that the patterns produced reflect the true nature of the field surrounding a magnet.
It should be kept in mind that research related to permanent magnets is a huge investigatory science. There are very well equipped laboratories throughout the world in a race to discover and commercialize new and improved materials for PM's and better understand them at the atomic level. Various minimally invasive methods have been used to generate 3D maps of the fields surrounding a magnet, map domains, and view crystalline structures at the atomic level. Some of these methods were also discussed earlier on in this thread. None of these alternate field measurement techniques support the claims you make regarding a magnet's field shape as related to the Ferocell images you present.
What I find funny in this thread s more than 60% people going against one person and then I compare it with stupid dinosaurs existing wayyyyyyy longer than humans. That all means that stupid dinosaurs are way smarter than civilized humans since thet lived longer than we have....unless we are just learning right now and we will soon surpass the dinosaurs existence.
But I still find it funny how all of these people are blabbering about who is closer to the "truth" and somehow believing that the present knowledge is the overall truth.
The only reason someone would go against a smart person is due to "evolution" and here we go again + VS -, North pole VS South pole going on again. All of this actually can be explained very clearly if we all just gather our minds and think about the "truth".
We could wayyyyyyyyyyyy be living farther than we are right now if there where no "road blocks". "evolution" has road blocks like positive VS negative since you need the other to understand both. If there was only "positive" or "negative" 100% how would each learn that there is an opposite that is needed?
God VS devil. Negative VS Positive. Right VS Wrong. This is all very simplistic and it should be eye opening.
What if we all fight a war and elect the stupidest president in the world would mean? Have people even thought about that? Just because we elect a president does not mean the future humanity because a president cannot do much but just dance around and entertain. Life does not work that way. The earth needs a president and that is 100% facts since in the atom the "president" is in the center. You have all off these "molecules" revolving around the atom that i'm 100% sure 100% of the people have not figured out...because if they did, I could make a "bing bang" right now.
The humans are running out of land and they think that moving to mars will save them, when it won't. That is just a desperate move!!!!! I believe 100% sure that the GREED will have a COLD realization when mars does not make them millionaires anymore. This is why rich people are more stupid than the common people and the rich is taking the whole world to the grave.
My new years resolution I hope to change that mentality because I see where the earth is headed. I even see if aliens are here to harvest gold, there is only so much gold that can be harvested...hmmm call me stupid but greater output than input does not work!!!
Quote from: luc2010 on January 02, 2015, 09:15:54 PM
In the book ( Uncovering the the missing secrets of magnetisms 3 edition september 25/ 2014 236 pages)
I could not find a single word about fibonacci??? Strange, i just hope that i am wrong about this..
"Mother nature has never taken a course in math, algebra and she absolutly rejects the nonsense espoused by quantum........." page 16
its seems that mother nature have not only just take a course in math, but equiped with supper computer (or with little help of angels ;) ) that can handel all these calculations!?
please, can Anyone explaine this?
Regards
luc2010
luc2010 Ken is right when he say the mother nature has never taken a course in math... Please pay attention to the following aspects:
1 - there is no space and time anywhere in this seen and unseen Universe. These are only humans mind interpretation, contemporary humans way of thinking shaped this way by last two-three centuries of removal of the ether and imposing the concept of empty space, which subsequently had to be filled with various new concepts (conveniently to some) such as field, to describe action at distance. To comprehend this phrase and its profound implications you have to rethink everything (even yourself) in the presence of an all pervading ether.
2 - descriptions of phenomena are not explanations
3 - human's math is only the human's try to explain how the Universe works, not how the Universe works itself. Not humans create nature (they only destroy it) but viceversa!
4 - try to quote not only what is convenient to you, but mainly what is inconvenient, otherwise you alone cut the branch under your feet, and you will never understand anything by following this pattern of thinking:
"Mother nature has never taken a course in math, algebra and she absolutely rejects the nonsense espoused by quantum. 'She' knows only about charge-discharge, spatial-counterspatial and centripetal-centrifugal spin as binary conjugates to charges and discharges. Gravity, electromagnetism and matter are all modalities of the Ether, of charges and spin."
5 - math now become some very abstract, but it has its origins in real world. Try to see 1/Phi^-3 as suggested by qwert. Is a real beginning!
However my appreciation for reading the book, familiarize yourself with the terms used, deepen them by analogy with known terms, notes what do not understand, and return it here with them, but be careful that concerns be based on real misunderstanding and not on the laziness to seek answers alone.
I really find it hard to understand why these so called "smart" people cannot see the ripples of energy!!!!! all of our life is nothing but ripples of energy! Hence = little input = greater output. Life is all ripples. The source of energy is in tooo much for an evolved money to understand! But it is very very very very very great that we only live in this universal blanket of energy!!!!
we are all covered with this blanket of energy no matter how blue in the face you get trying to disagree with that!!! and this blanket of energy is our "father" and "mother" the FREE energy. Since if FREEE was to pay dollars, it would never be able to afford it. How can you pay for the existence of life with a dollar when dinosaurs never carried wallets in their pockets? Think about it. Do you picture dinosaurs paying for food with dollar bills? That is stupid! So lets take that stupidity thinking in the trash. Ignorance is blisss but truth sets you FREEE. In fact, truth is not judgmental, "truth" is making everyone come together and thing as a one mind rather that believing that we are enemies. + VS – again. The truth is in the middle since negative cannot get rid of positive.
If we stop for a minute and try to understand both, we will soon create a "big bang"...lol
Hello,
Please, one more question?
In the page 44:
" Remembering that in any perfect magnet, the dielectric is 3.23 ( phi times 2 ) times bigger than the magnetic which is 1.
A ratio of 3.236 to 1."
why we must hide " the squaring circle " method here?
what needed is only :
pi = 2 * phi ( or pi /2 = phi , tesla claims of pi/2 more than speed of ligth )
but instead of using the decimal value, we need only fibonacci?
" why not using the very simple arithmetic calculations, not requiring PI, PHI or Log, this is how nature creates harmonies and natural intervals that exist everywhere not just on your piano?
Pythagoras (the natural whole number science) vs modern scientists "
Best Regards
luc2010
Quote from: picowatt on January 03, 2015, 12:50:01 AM
So, you don't think the patterns produced by ferrofluid are cool?
not really no, but Ive been brewing up formulations of it for ages.....
I have 4 unique ferrofluid suspensions I created (as seen in a few of my vids).
wore out today,......I blew $12,000 on some new lenses and camera.
I love sexy glass (optical) ;D
$12,000 for glass and camera? That has to be the most truth telling camera in the whole world!!!
Remember truth is FREEE, the world is a geometrical world so actual money is not geometrical. Making money is actually simple compared to seeking truth. Just because you spent 12,000 dollars for an equipment does not mean closer to truth. It only means money spent on entertainment.
My eyes have lenses in them that I \value more than a million dollars because if I could not see I would be blind. So $12,000 is not even worth ¼ of my eye sight nor ¼ of my brain way of thinking nor ¼ of becoming a billionaire!
Theoria, what is the next chapter of the book? I think it's more about showing facts with actual facts than with words. Since if I kill a rabbit and eat it, the facts are that the rabbit was food and there is no argument there, only those that would oppose in the killing of a rabbit!
Words! Get tiering after a while. It is time to make a difference in life! Forget trying to sleep with as many females as possible. Forget trying to prove yourself to someone! Facts only speak with actions! You actually can make a "new world" order! But is has to be well calculized geometrically!
Our primitive souls/mentality is just to kill for food. And we get stuck in the pleasure of killing. When the killing is only due to get to the balance. When we reach this balance, we will live longer! We willl surpass the craving of belittling since belittling is not what got us here.
So I ask you, please teach others what you have learned! Teach us what is in your mind so you can plant that seed in others. Look past the negativeness since we all need positive and negative to survive.
For 2015 make your resolution to teach others with wax on wax off and don't waste your time trying to defend your ego! Since there are such viruses that only pray on the ego.
Can you tell me your vortex in a laymens term?!
What is this magnetic vortex all about?
If I was to believe in what you say, how would things change in the present?
What are you understanding that others can't?
Teach us and ignore the haters! But what do you have to teach with this ultimate understanding of magnetism?
What are you claiming to know that others don't know? Thanks!
Quote from: joel321 on January 04, 2015, 02:29:52 AM
But what do you have to teach with this ultimate understanding of magnetism?
its in the book, 4th edition coming soon.
picture below, notice the GREEN and BLUE along the 'center', ie the dielectric inertial plane.
This is due to the high dielectric capacitance of the blue and green light which is concentrated at the inertial plane of the magnet
PICTURE TWO:
notice the two "bowl shaped" indents on either pole of the cube magnet
this is the centrifugal divergence point along the rim of ANY magnet. likewise any gaussmeter will register this difference between the edge and center.
Quote from: minnie on January 02, 2015, 02:54:16 PM
TA,
is it really true you manually turn something in some of the ferrocell pics?
John.
I just made video 106 proving i am NOT moving anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo_k62pi8Vg
I assumed everyone knew that was the case. I turn things often, but the image automatically appears WITHOUT turning anything.
I'm not quite sure how my Ferrocell ended up here on a free energy site and I'm not here to defend or encourage 'TA' and his application, experiments or theories...
But I would like to extend an invitation to anyone who wants to know more about a Ferrocell and how it works. We can start a new thread, if need be.
~Timm@Ferrocell USA
Quote from: pinestone on January 20, 2015, 11:40:52 PM
I'm not quite sure how my Ferrocell ended up here on a free energy site and I'm not here to defend or encourage 'TA' and his application, experiments or theories...
But I would like to extend an invitation to anyone who wants to know more about a Ferrocell and how it works. We can start a new thread, if need be.
~Timm@Ferrocell USA
Hello Timm,
Would be great to hear in more details how a ferrocell works. I have some idea from what I read until now, but for now I would like to know if according to your practice, you can get colored magnetic field lines using only white LEDs around the ferrocell.
Thanks, SaDAng
If you mean bi-birefringence, like one would see from the recorded side of a DVD, then no. No colors.
However, a white light can change to blue, green, yellow or orange as it passes thru a cell. It's a result of light interacting with matter called Raylegh Scattering (why we see a blue sky during a bright sunny day). I can control the color shift (phase) by changing the thickness of the active layer.
Future discussions about the cell should be made here: http://overunity.com/15426/the-ferrocell/new/#new (http://overunity.com/15426/the-ferrocell/new/#new)
correction :-[
that should be 'Rayleigh Scattering' ...
Quotepicture below, notice the GREEN and BLUE along the 'center', ie the dielectric inertial plane.
This is due to the high dielectric capacitance of the blue and green light which is concentrated at the inertial plane of the magnet
PICTURE TWO:
notice the two "bowl shaped" indents on either pole of the cube magnet
this is the centrifugal divergence point along the rim of ANY magnet. likewise any gaussmeter will register this difference between the edge and center.
To be honest TA, I'm semi-color-blind. So I don't understand colors at all. I see people talk about red light color and I see it as blue....i have a hard time seeing what is pink and what is purple...i never get it right! (i have been bullied by buying pink earphones when i thought i was wearing blue) But I know BRIGHT black, yellow, and white very well that's why I say semi-color-blind.
I suck at mathematics too...BUT I'm good at geometrical angles.
Is there a way you can translate the colors to geometrical angles if that is not too much to ask.
Hey TA here is an interesting thing I stumbled upon.
From what I can gather, it is plasma in the cup and a magnet making the plasma spin!
It is kind of confusing to me but I never really pictured a form of gas/light being spun in a tornator by a magnetic field.
Anyways I found it interesting....here is the GIF.
http://i.imgur.com/vIHXJWY.gifv
Yes but if this is true,if there is such a spontaneous vortex of movement of magnetic field at the poles it should be possible to shove a stationary magnet against a coil hookedup to a diode and register some current correct?am I wrong or am I right
The ions and electrons of the plasma will follow helical
paths around the magnetic field lines.
J
Quote from: profitis on January 28, 2015, 02:55:04 AM
Yes but if this is true,if there is such a spontaneous vortex of movement of magnetic field at the poles it should be possible to shove a stationary magnet against a coil hookedup to a diode and register some current correct?am I wrong or am I right
After the magnet stops moving wrt the coil, there will be no current produced. If a magnetic vortex existed, and was oriented properly wrt the coil, then there should be current produced even when the magnet itself is stationary wrt the coil.
There are a myriad of different experimental situations that would show a magnetic vortex _if it existed_. None of them do. There are a few situations where improper interpretations of limited observed data could be twisted... no pun intended!... to mean a magnetic vortex exists.
Quote from: joel321 on January 28, 2015, 02:22:18 AM
Hey TA here is an interesting thing I stumbled upon.
From what I can gather, it is plasma in the cup and a magnet making the plasma spin!
It is kind of confusing to me but I never really pictured a form of gas/light being spun in a tornator by a magnetic field.
Anyways I found it interesting....here is the GIF.
http://i.imgur.com/vIHXJWY.gifv (http://i.imgur.com/vIHXJWY.gifv)
The low-pressure gas between the walls of the cup is readily ionized to plasma by the HV RF from the electronics in the base. The ionized gas is highly conductive and carries current. The current path is deflected in the ordinary way by the externally applied magnetic field.
What is "confusing" is trying to figure out how a "magnetic vortex" could reach out and grab onto "non-existent" electrons and ions and make them swirl about. However, using the accepted standard understanding, and some math that is basically expressed in Maxwell's equations, the motion can even be precisely calculated and predicted.
Quote frm tinselkoala :' the magnet stops moving wrt the coil, there will be no current produced. If a magnetic vortex existed, and was oriented properly wrt the coil, then there should be current produced even when the magnet itself is stationary wrt the coil.
There are a myriad of different experimental situations that would show a magnetic vortex _if it existed_. None of them do. There are a few situations where improper interpretations of limited observed data could be twisted... no pun intended!... to mean a magnetic vortex exists.'
Unquote
Let's say there was existence of helical movement,depending on the speeds the diode would have to be pretty suited to handle that frequency to divide the peaks I guess.I've done experiments with suspended colloidal sulfur in paramagnetic ion (iron sulfate) solutzi before and observed patterns of movement via laser pointer but it was due to environmental heat as opposed to movement of magnetic fields on the neo I reckon
I reckon so too.
Why do you need a diode at all? Can't you simply connect the many, many turn coil to a high-impedance oscilloscope input with high bandwidth? Even if the oscillation frequency of any current from the coil were in the multi-GHz range you'd still be able to see it on the appropriate instruments. If only it were actually there....
If a magnetic vortex is moving so fast you can't detect it moving by any means... what then?
Invisible ghosts and unicorns exist. Proof: you can't see them, can you? QED.
Quote frm tinselkoala: 'what if a magnetic vortex is moving so fast you can't detect it moving by any means... what then?'
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Here's a question for you mr tinselkoala: if a copper wire is orientated at a certain angle in a static magnetic field,will it itself act as diode ie.let electricity pass easier one way than the other
Quote from: profitis on January 28, 2015, 04:48:35 AM
Quote frm tinselkoala: 'what if a magnetic vortex is moving so fast you can't detect it moving by any means... what then?'
...
What if it isn't moving at all? Do you know what a standing wave is?
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave)
The Lorentz force supplies a 'twist' to the field. Gilbert called it "directive virtue"...
So if the wire is held dead-stationary then we get bias.this static voltage should register on the oscilloscopes.basicly like shoving a field near an electron-gas in a container.going to cause a constant pressure differential
Quote from: profitis on January 28, 2015, 10:32:58 AM
So if the wire is held dead-stationary then we get bias.this static voltage should register on the oscilloscopes.basically like shoving a field near an electron-gas in a container.going to cause a constant pressure differential
Look at the sine wave pix. Imagine the left zero (0) on the graph as the beginning and representing 'now' in time.
Follow the amplitude gradually to max (north) then gradually down, past zero (null zone) then on to max south
and back up to zero. The right side of the graph is 'now', too.
The graph is just showing the potential from pole to pole, thru zero. It isn't really 'waving' (repeating). It's just sitting there. Unless you disturb it.
You can affect a change to the conductor and see on a scope or even in a plasma only if you move the magnet.
Quote frm pinestone'you can affect a change to the conductor and see on a scope or even in a plasma only if you move the magnet'
Or the current.won't the random movements of electrons in the conductor bias toward one direction? Perhaps a massive impendance voltmeter or pico-ampmeter is better to check for this than oscilloscope? It was loschmidt who caused a scene a hundred years ago with his column of air in a pipe affected by gravity.gas molecules accelerate downward and deccelerate upwards giving detectable temperature,pressure(barometer) gradient
It is obvious that there are trolls who do any thing to throw off the insightful thinking about magnetvortex and spinwaves by spinning half truths to their own agenda what that may be .. Pun intended...
These trolls are not your friends but are disinformation agents who get money to post per programmed agendas of some dogmatic science belief, "religion of science "..
Here is the real truth MAGNETVORTEX SPIN WAVES EXIST AND ARE REAL !!
Now watch as the trolls will spin this again.. I just makes me sick !!!
Acca...
Harnessing Magnetic Vortices for Making Nanoscale Antennas
April 30, 2014
http://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11635 (http://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11635)
The secret to harnessing spin is to control its evolution and spin configuration.
"If you grab a circular refrigerator magnet and place it under a microscope that could image electron spins, you would see the magnet has several regions called domains,
where within each domain all the spins point in the same direction," explained group leader Yimei Zhu.
"If you were to shrink that magnet down to a size smaller than a red blood cell, the spins inside the magnet will begin to align
themselves into unique spin textures."[/font]
Here are links to Magnet vortex papers ...
Acca.....
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140430/ncomms4760/full/ncomms4760.html (http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140430/ncomms4760/full/ncomms4760.html)
For example, in a magnetic disc with a radius of just 500 nanometers (billionths of a meter) and a thickness of just 25 nanometers,
the disc can no longer support multiple domains and the spins align in a hurricane-like rotational pattern to reduce the overall magnetic energy.
The spins parallel to the disc's surface rotate around a core, much like the eye of the hurricane,
either clockwise or anticlockwise.
And at the core, the magnetic spins point out of the disc's surface, either up or down.
So this structure, a magnetic vortex, has four possible states—up or down paired with clockwise or anticlockwise.
Bulletin of the American Physical Society APS March Meeting 2015 Monday–Friday, March 2–6, 2015; San Antonio, Texas
http://meeting.aps.org/Meeting/MAR15/Session/J30 (http://meeting.aps.org/Meeting/MAR15/Session/J30)
Direct imaging of interacting vortex orbits and deformations with Lorentz transmission electron microscopy 3:42 PM–3:54 PM
Abstract
Authors: Shawn Pollard (State Univ of NY- Stony Brook, Department of Physics and Astronomy)
Javier Pulecio (Brookhaven National Laboratory, Condensed Matter Physics and Materials Science Department)
Yimei Zhu (Brookhaven National Laboratory, Condensed Matter Physics and Materials Science Department)
Understanding the interactions between confined, interacting magnetic quasiparticles, such as magnetic vortices,
is essential towards developing both an understanding of their mutual coupling, as well as limitations for a variety of spintronic devices.
However, due to a lack of spatial resolution afforded by traditional techniques, direct observation of the changes of vortex orbits in real space has been lacking.
Utilizing high resolution Lorentz TEM, we image the time averaged vortex trajectories in multi-vortex permalloy rectangles and ellipses while applying an oscillating in-plane field tuned to the vortex gyrotropic mode.
Using an additional in-plane DC field, we observe a transition of the vortex orbits from circular to heavily distorted as the vortices are driven together, a result of increased interaction strength in laterally coupled vortex pairs.
Furthermore, in closely spaced vortex pairs, the strong coupling results in a single resonance frequency.
As the vortices are moved apart, pinning effects begin to dominate, and the peak frequency is no longer singular. Micromagnetic simulations are utilized to further elucidate the coupled behavior and obtain time-resolved information of the dynamic process.
Quote frm acca:'as vortices are moved apart, pinning effects begin to dominate, and the peak frequency is no longer singular. Micromagnetic simulations are utilized to further elucidate the coupled behavior and obtain time-resolved information of the dynamic process.'
So how would one harness this effect @acca.I'm getting rather frightening results in an experiment I'm now doing with semiconductors.it appears the hall effect(magneto-resistance) was what I was looking for earlier today.
Here are the latest clips from Роман Карноухов as you can see it is spin waves that he is embedding a neo magnet in his latest design..
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aHNMDJzRW7YDd145_Pa2w/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aHNMDJzRW7YDd145_Pa2w/videos)
As I have said this the links go back to Zoltan Szili..
http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm)
Pdf document..of his link:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2F7780%2Fzoltans-simulation%2Fdlattach%2Fattach%2F36073%2F&ei=A6DJVIKxJ4KYoQS8uoK4CQ&usg=AFQjCNGB7VzeM0fRGxft_kSQZtiXkLeaRw&bvm=bv.84607526,d.cGU&cad=rja (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2F7780%2Fzoltans-simulation%2Fdlattach%2Fattach%2F36073%2F&ei=A6DJVIKxJ4KYoQS8uoK4CQ&usg=AFQjCNGB7VzeM0fRGxft_kSQZtiXkLeaRw&bvm=bv.84607526,d.cGU&cad=rja)
Please read this document...It is very important.. This is how the Kapanadze, Akula0083 (Роман Карноухов), and Ruslan Kulabuhov work. The Russian ferrite has the property "NOT to have the magnetic domains SET". The ferrite core can be made of any material that "will NOT magnetize" only hold the magnetic domains for a very short time.. That is where the spinwaves make the "extra electrons" ..
Here is a set of clips from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkOuGRU8akA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkOuGRU8akA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDEtPGB13NM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDEtPGB13NM)
Here is the forum from the underservice years ago. The spin waves generate gamma particles from the IRON decay.. here is why the research stopped as it got real bad.. for some people who made these discoveries..please read the posts.. When Wesley went to work with the STAR team they all got sick from radiation... from the russian ferrite core..
There is more on this as the Italians discovered that ferric chloride salt solution would also generate gamma decay by using cavitation to make "piezznuclear" reaction. They used gel gama detectors.. It's all there.. links below..
http://www.underservice.org/index.php?topic=121.225 (http://www.underservice.org/index.php?topic=121.225)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IZ34Wwa-AE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IZ34Wwa-AE)
Acca....[/font]
Here is the edited version of the results that show proof that the free energy is in fact a decay of Iron, being that the ferrite core will "sing" or being pulsed at a very high frequency to induce energy generation.. It looks like free energy is some type of a Nuclear decay.. So be careful as Wesley and his team found out 3 years ago ..
Acca...
http://newnuclear.altervista.org/ (http://newnuclear.altervista.org/)
Experimental Results by A. Petrucci
Pubblicato il febbraio 2, 2009
EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS
The results presented in this paper show that the only application of mechanical compressions like ultrasounds can induce nuclear effects (like neutron emission) in stable nuclides.
In the last years, we carried out five experiment sessions during which we collected evidences of anomalous production of intermediate and high mass number nuclides like iron.
The evidences of neutron emissions collected during the last 4 years were achieved by different measuring techniques: passive ones, track detectors, and active ones like the electronic detectors.
All of these measuring tools agreed in showing the presence of emitted neutrons. In this sense, the whole of these evidences can be considered a deep and sound proof of the reality of a new physical phenomenon, namely some sort of nuclear activity (still completely unknown) of stable elements with high Coulomb barrier induced by mechanical pressure.
On the theoretical side these outcomes indicate new perspectives on our established theoretical understanding of fundamental interactions. On this issue, we notice that mechanical compressions of stable elements usually affect the outer electronic shells of atoms whose dimension lies in the range of 10-10 m and whose energy is of the order of 10 eV.
In other words, electromagnetic force is the fundamental interaction to pilot mechanical compressions.
On the other hand, however, we have a neutron radiation that can only come from within the nucleus whose dimension lies in the range of 10-15 m, whose energy is in the range of tens or hundreds of MeV and whose stability is controlled by the hadronic and leptonic fundamental interactions.
The outcomes of these experiments showed that, despite the spatial and energetic gaps, the electromagnetic force could induce measurable nuclear effects like neutron emission in stable nuclides. Of course, having to do with Iron and its Coulomb barrier, it is not reasonable to think of a nanoscale thermonuclear fusion since the temperature needed to overcome the barrier would be in the order of 1010 - 1012 Kelvin.
Moreover Iron nucleus is the first that does not release energy during fusion but needs to be supplied with energy if we want to obtain fusion from it.
Andrea Petrucci.
Good paper by zoltan @acca.it appears to me many of these electromagneto-phenomena have one thing in common: pulsed electricity.in another word:assymetric hysteresis.and it appears to me that assymetric hysteresis and lenr in general go hand-in-hand too.so much so that I'm going to coin a phrase for this :profitis entropy pinchers.whenever there is a system of these tweezers,these pliers,these entropy pinchers of sufficient magnitude and force,lenr resultante
Quote from: Acca on January 28, 2015, 12:21:20 PM
It is obvious that there are trolls who do any thing to throw off the insightful thinking about magnetvortex and spinwaves by spinning half truths to their own agenda what that may be .. Pun intended...
These trolls are not your friends but are disinformation agents who get money to post per programmed agendas of some dogmatic science belief, "religion of science "..
Here is the real truth MAGNETVORTEX SPIN WAVES EXIST AND ARE REAL !!
Now watch as the trolls will spin this again.. I just makes me sick !!!
Acca...
Harnessing Magnetic Vortices for Making Nanoscale Antennas
April 30, 2014
http://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11635 (http://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11635)
The secret to harnessing spin is to control its evolution and spin configuration.
"If you grab a circular refrigerator magnet and place it under a microscope that could image electron spins, you would see the magnet has several regions called domains,
where within each domain all the spins point in the same direction," explained group leader Yimei Zhu.
"If you were to shrink that magnet down to a size smaller than a red blood cell, the spins inside the magnet will begin to align
themselves into unique spin textures."[/font]
You are calling me a troll? Now I remember why I stayed off of this forum for 5 years. It's because of people like you who have no clue what they are reading and do not even understand the basics of magnetism. Your references are not utilizing static magnetic fields, they are for the most part using radio frequencies (RF) or decaying nuclear isotopes which make WAVES.
Good luck with your research using flawed thinking and your developmental processes.
pinestone,
I've found your input very helpful. Please don't give up too easily
as there must be a lot of people who appreciate what you contribute, don't be
put off by a few,
John.
Pinestone:
Indeed, stand your ground. I am not a big fan of Al/Acca. He appears to not understand magnetism at all.
http://overunity.com/15448/-proof-magnets-have-a-spinning-magnetic-field/msg435057/#msg435057
Quoting myself (which he did not respond to):
Acca:
Those clips I linked to covered some basic fundamentals about how moving charges (current) interact with a magnetic field that you may have never even considered in your life. I also seriously doubt you have considered the direction of the current flow in the water. For what it's worth, the current flow could be mapped out using curvilinear cubes. I also seriously doubt that you have tried to visualize how the current flowing in the water crosses the magnetic field lines in the water.
Now, if you understood the basic fundamentals, and you understood roughly what direction the current was flowing in the area around the magnet, and then you "cross" that with the toroidal shape of the magnetic field from the magnet..... <drum roll>.... Then you would conclude that the current flow crossing the lines of magnetic flux will exert a force on the water that will make the water spin in a spiral. In other words, just like what you see in the video with the "plasma mug."
When I saw your clips a few years ago, I crunched the observed geometry and using the basic fundamentals about how moving charges interact with a magnetic field and concluded that it made perfect sense to see the water forming a vortex because of the forces generated when the current flow does a cross-product with the magnetic field lines. It tool me about a minute to figure this out.
So, what that means is that what you are looking at is perfectly normal. There is no "vortex" associated with the magnetic field. You are simply observing something perfectly normal, not understanding it, and then leading yourself down a garden path by inventing a false explanation for what you are observing. In other words, it couldn't be any worse for you, and your whole pitch is 100% wrong.
MileHigh
Quote from: pinestone on January 29, 2015, 08:16:11 AM
You are calling me a troll? Now I remember why I stayed off of this forum for 5 years. It's because of people like you who have no clue what they are reading and do not even understand the basics of magnetism. Your references are not utilizing static magnetic fields, they are for the most part using radio frequencies (RF) or decaying nuclear isotopes which make WAVES.
Good luck with your research using flawed thinking and your developmental processes.
Acca is the prototypical TROLL himself. He even went so far as to post here a photo of some poor fool who happened to use "Tinselkoala" as his alias on a dating site, in an attempt to violate my privacy by "outing" me. That's not only not nice and a violation of basic forum etiquette, it's utterly stupid. You can't even safely ignore Acca because of things like this, you need to keep an eye on him so that you will know when he tries that kind of BS.
And as you have noted, he misrepresents and doesn't apparently understand the references he cites. It's doubtful if he has even actually read them.
Thank you all for your support.
I'm not put off but I was a bit offended. ME a troll? wow.
Time to put on the armour again ;)
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 04:28:22 AM
There are a myriad of different experimental situations that would show a magnetic vortex _if it existed_. None of them do
Sorry asshole, it not only exists, but I can show it to anyone on earth using a ferrocell.
insert 25 cents more and try again, youre a failure.
By the way, asshole,....... a
3D HYPOTROCHOID can ONLY EXIST as a RECIPROCATING VORTEXOr, does that simplex geometric fact not register in your goddamn brain???
GO research what a HYPERBOLOID is, then try to DEFINE the term "VORTEX"
Quote from: pinestone on January 28, 2015, 10:28:59 AM
What if it isn't moving at all? Do you know what a standing wave is?
ALL TRANSVERSE electrical and magnetic phenomena are a "VORTEX"
They necessitatively RECIPROCATE around a dielectric "point" Its simplex pressure gradient mediation.
The point that you and that other person, the retard Tinfoilhat failed to do is CORRECTLY DEFINE the word "vortex"
You havent, you cant, .......you might do it, but he has no chance of intelligently deducing its definition. Hes a goddamn fool's fool.
Quote from: Acca on January 28, 2015, 12:21:20 PM
Harnessing Magnetic Vortices for Making Nanoscale Antennas
Retarded KUNTS like Tinfoilhat and Highformiles ignore a mountain of evidence
They dont even have a DENOTATION of the term "VORTEX", ......
..at BEST they have CRUDE CONNOTATIONS in their booze riddled minds. ;D ;D ;D
Gyromagnetic precession ALONE more than proves a magnetic vortex,........NOT TO MENTION being able to SEE same under a ferrocell.
Theyre retards
Their minds are closed shitholes, old castle privys where only turds fall.
They dont even know the diff. between "MAGNET" and "MAGNETISM"
all atoms are MAGNETIC in field, obviously so.
They dont even know the definition of MAGNET.
A collection of polarized (as are all atoms) atoms that are COHERENTLY polarized.
********IF these demented fucks had 2 brain cells, they could extrapolate that gyromagnetic precession
NECESSITATES a VORTEX DEFINITIONALLYbut, hey, theyre IDIOTS.
Kenny:
Look at these four clips please:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0)
Chances are they explain a lot of the observations that you incorrectly label as a "magnetic vortex."
The closest thing that you can call a "vortex" when it comes to magnetic fields is that magnetic fields form closed loops.
Unfortunately for you there isn't a single shred of evidence that the magnetic field itself is a vortex. You are half hoodwinking yourself and half being hoodwinked by Mother Nature. And the vast majority of your technical prose is babble talk.
MileHigh
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 29, 2015, 09:33:53 PM
ALL TRANSVERSE electrical and magnetic phenomena are a "VORTEX"
They necessitatively RECIPROCATE around a dielectric "point"
Its simplex pressure gradient mediation.
The point that you and that other person, the retard Tinfoilhat failed to do is CORRECTLY DEFINE the word "vortex"
You havent, you cant, .......you might do it, but he has no chance of intelligently deducing its definition. Hes a goddamn fool's fool.
Riddle me this:
Whats the difference between an electromagnetic force and an electromagnetic wave?
Quote from: pinestone on January 29, 2015, 09:46:49 PM
Riddle me this:
Whats the difference between an electromagnetic force and an electromagnetic wave?
If you think there is a diff. then youre wrong,
there is no diff.
All waves are spatial divergent FORCES
ALLThere are only 2 principles in the Cosmos:
1. Inertia and acceleration (principle and attribute)...........(CONVERGENCE)
2. Force and motion (DIVERGENCE)
Force is merely the loss of inertia as expressed in the creation of space, or incorrectly deemed "a spatial phenomena"
however no force is "in space", rather creates space as a posterior attribute. BIG diff.
copyright 11-2014 Ken L W.
Quote from: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 09:45:35 PM
Kenny:
Look at these four clips please:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0)
I love how you keep referencing that motherfucker and his whiteboard. :o ;D ;D ;D ;D
you poor demented fool.
"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and
eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.
" - N. Tesla
Quote from: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 09:45:35 PM
The closest thing that you can call a "vortex" when it comes to magnetic fields is that magnetic fields form closed loops.
You still cannot DEFINE vortex asshole. ;D ;D
a reciprocating hypotrochoid IS A VORTEX definitionally, goddamn idiot.
copy error
THE VORTEX in denotation:
copyright 12-2014 Ken Wheeler Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism
A vortex is a compounded or compounding spatial force vector expression within which or by which magnetic-force vectors are expressed against its/their originating counterspatial dielectric locus (inertia) along a curvilinear force-and-inertia pressure mediation as against the counterspatial locus of said divergent curvilinear expression. Compounded macrocosmic natural phenomena vortex (fluid, environmental) events are void or vacuum convergences against a pressure stasis. Cosmic vortex phenomena are left for another discussion, however are likewise akin to magnetic hypotrochoid expressions. As per magnetic vortex hyperboloids, force and space-creation are torsional ('inertial-friction') along golden ratio extrapolations and are additive, whereas convergences are dielectrically multiplicative. This is expressed as space is additive and synonymous with magnetic divergence, whereas counterspace is multiplicative. A magnetic vortex is a dielectric projection of force vectors, which follows a hyperboloid.
A vortex, in simple, is merely a curvilinear expression of force-against-dielectric-inertia reciprocation whereby which no straight lines exist in the universe, in that all force vectors are 'tethered' at a counterspatial locus within which and by which any and all divergences are torsional convergences as against a necessitated polarized locus (micro [atomic], or macro [magnet, a coherent mass]) which exists against all space by definition. The hyperboloid is the curvilinear expression of the loss of inertia which is extrapolated as a 3D hypotrochoid, or spatial torus. All geometry is projective geometry; likewise the magnetic hyperboloid is an inertia-and-loss-of-inertia phenomenon by which pressure reciprocation necessitates spheroidal convergence by means of hypotrochoid reciprocation. Negative pressure dynamics mediate pressure force reciprocations towards inverse counterspatial sink. The magnetic hypotrochoid is a convergence by means of polarized divergence vortex by nature, however the center of any and all torus formations, is the hyperboloid. The counterspatial 'center' of the torus is dielectric inertia, or counterspace from which the magnetic vortex, or torus is expressed necessitatively.
Even a centrifugal vortex is centripetal, in that it MUST reciprocate the geometry of the hyperboloid to converge centripetally at the opposite spatial displacement of centripetal convergence ("opposite pole"). There are no straight lines in the universe, all force vectors are curvilinear and move along a spiral around one or more counterspatial "tether-points". Contrary to the pontifications of pseudo-science, there exists NO open vortex phenomena in the universe, all force vectors are CLOSED.
Ultimately a vacuum created vortex (water vortex, water down the drain) or a magnetic vortex are both expressions of counterspace, one a localized void, the other an Ether-convergence. No force ends in space, because space is NOT a receptacle for force, rather the posterior attribute of divergences. All force vectors terminate at the origins, in inertia, or as meant counterspace.
Coherent magnetic reciprocation expressed by a magnet's (polarization collective with coherency) divergence exists as a pressure-force hyperboloid as necessitated by the dielectric counterspatial locus so-deemed by modern inept and defunct physics as a "Bloch wall". Inertia is the counterspatial 'tether point' at which and by which all force vectors, magnetic and otherwise express curvilinear reciprocations as defined by the space they create in so doing.
The absolute inverse of inertia is nothing, which is space. Space is neither a FIELD nor a FORCE, and has no properties, is it is purely a posterior attribute of the force reciprocations of magnetism. Force is nothing whatsoever, and the expression which gives definition to all phenomena in the universe.
"Under" the spheroidal field (really a force, not a field, only dielectric is the true field, magnetism is purely a force only) of magnetism, either atomic or the magnetic (coherent single mass) exists the spatial-counterspatial HYPERBOLOID, failure to understand this will make your compression of what the term "polarization" both IS and IMPLIES in the definition of what both magnetism IS and is meant, and how this applies to the magnet itself.
This is very exciting sort of stuff. I thought why not look at the huge experiment
nature shows us, namely the solar wind.
There's a thing called the "Heliospheric current sheet" that has a nice swirl to it.
My thoughts were that to prove the idea that Ken has is to observe a stream of
particles passing by a spherical magnet. Thus, large magnet, Earth, source of particle
stream , Sun.
Anyways if the Earth's magnetic field was a ball of string would this cause the
passing electrons and ions to experience some sort of torque.
I just feel I am understanding a tiny bit about the patterns on a Ferrocell, I
find them intriguing to say the least ,
John.
Quote from: minnie on January 30, 2015, 03:15:33 AM
I just feel I am understanding a tiny bit about the patterns on a Ferrocell, I
find them intriguing to say the least ,
John.
I knew 100% the nature of magnetic reciprocation long before I ever got ahold of Timms FERROCELL,
using it was just icing on the cake confirming the obvious necessity of the hypotrochoid field pressure mediations.
Seeing one hands on is far far better than the damn videos, which cannot show you the deep "holographic" depth.
make this pic viral: ;D
Mr apohasis tell me something straight brother: does this vortex oscillate or is it smooth allway.does it wobble.does it change shape like a tornado does.is there a kink in its dance or does it just stand there
Quote from: profitis on January 30, 2015, 03:42:51 AM
Mr apohasis tell me something straight brother: does this vortex oscillate or is it smooth allway.does it wobble.does it change shape like a tornado does.is there a kink in its dance or does it just stand there
that a field pressure equalizes doesnt mean or imply it "standing there"
a vortex oscillates by definition necessitatively so. Likewise there is a phase shift between the "N pole" and "S pole" , you can even see it in the ferrocell
likewise, all the many biological experiments prove that beyond ANY shadow of a doubt, Im working on same for the 4th and 5th edition.
the phase shift is not only there, it must exist, explaining same simply is a task still in progress. Its really very simple, and ironically "hard" to explain.
research "gyromagnetic precession" for some more in depth insights on same as a primer.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 30, 2015, 03:55:21 AM
...Its really very simple, and ironically "hard" to explain...
Try this:
https://www.tcd.ie/Physics/Magnetism/Lectures/5006/5006-2.pdf
and this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDYQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieeemagnetics.org%2Fieee_static_content%2Fspin%2520torque%2520tutorial.ppt&ei=YePLVNPYD8W4ggT4woHYAQ&usg=AFQjCNHJZIdq3Yxrxcfux96Cg4OeFAPghw&bvm=bv.84607526,d.eXY
and maybe you could actually make a comment that wasn't rude, vulgar, intimidating, obscene or degrading.
Like a man, not a beast.
Quote from: pinestone on January 30, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Try this:
https://www.tcd.ie/Physics/Magnetism/Lectures/5006/5006-2.pdf
Magnetostatics dont explain polar phase shifts, or Compression and Rarefaction differentials.
NOR does Maxwells equation have any bearing on explaining same.
NOR does Gauss's law do same either.
FROM THE ARTICLE:
Diamagnets produce weakly repulsive images Diamagnetism is low magnetic permeability / high dielectric coherency.
There is no such thing as a "repulsive image" or "magnetic repulsion".
Likewise that articles talk about "superconductors" is also absurd, there is no thing "conductive" in a superconductor, it is simplex extremely high
low-magnetic permeability
MAGNETVORTEX is here !!!
Harnessing skyrmions for electronics and spintronics applications
Mar 20, 2014
Previously, electric currents have been used to manipulate skyrmions in metallic magnets. Heat could now be used to drive their motion in electrically insulating magnets,
"Wow imagine, a magnetvortex that is NOT effected RF or electricity.... Just HEAT !!!! "
Acca...
http://phys.org/news/2014-03-harnessing-skyrmions-electronics-spintronics-applications.html (http://phys.org/news/2014-03-harnessing-skyrmions-electronics-spintronics-applications.html)
http://phys.org/news/2014-02-electron-vortex-state-skyrmion-molecules.html#inlRlv (http://phys.org/news/2014-02-electron-vortex-state-skyrmion-molecules.html#inlRlv)[/font]
Quote from: minnie on January 30, 2015, 03:15:33 AM
John.
Thought youd like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7t5cKc1-MY
Something nobody has seen before on Youboob (sic).
incredibly stability and likewise the gyroscope can draw out the hypotrochoid pattern by using a magnet ATTACHED TO the gyroscope
Ken here is one for you !!! Ha ! Sooo... that was the old black hole theory ...
Now it's Gone !!
Black holes do not exist where space and time do not exist, says new theory.
6 hours ago by Lisa Zyga
http://phys.org/news/2015-01-black-holes-space-theory.html#nRlv (http://phys.org/news/2015-01-black-holes-space-theory.html#nRlv)
Acca...
Good video clip I will have to try that with a pen ....
Acca....
Quote from: Acca on January 30, 2015, 04:13:48 PM
MAGNETVORTEX is here !!!
Hey!!!
Alas its great stuff, but they merely REIFIED nonsense a
"Skyrmion" which they say------- "Skyrmions are 'whirls' in the magnetization of certain magnetic materials"
All theyre really saying is "natural magnetic vortex"
So they devised a cute BS term -----"Skyrmion" ;D
OR>>>>>>>
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIn particle theory, the skyrmion (/ˈskɜrmi.ɒn/) is a hypothetical particle related originally[1] to baryons. It was described by Tony Skyrme and consists of a quantum superposition of baryons and resonance states
WHEW!!! THATS SOME STINKY SHIT!!!! :o :o :o :o (not you, them).
Atomists (modern "science") can even be BALLSY enough to turn a magnetic force vortex into PARTICLES!!!!!!
Next thing they come up with, is that LOVE is comprised up of "Lovium particles" ;D ;D
(((All hail Acca and the magnetic vortex))) 8) ;)
Quote from: Acca on January 30, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
Black holes do not exist where space and time do not exist, says new theory.
Acca...
100% accurate, Stephen J. Crothers been giving talks on same.
see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf1ihBNMEpw
Stephen J. Crothers trashes black hole nonsense and S. Hawking
My premise Im writing on (which Stephen J. Crothers doesnt ever mention or talk about, or know about). is that-------
A (presumed) 'black hole' is where counterspatial inertia EXCEEDS magnetic FORCE of the matter which formerly comprised same.
As such a black hole has NO MASS (utterly contrary to the notion that a black hole has mass = X number of solar masses etc)
Its utterly simplex and non-convoluted and is necessarily SO.
Likewise this explains Galactic Jets and backs up Stephen J. Crothers premise AGAINST the "black hole BS" of Einstein and that idiot Hawkins.
Current BS on black holes (presumed) can never explain galactic jets FROM which matter is ejected in a tight vortex pattern
Quote from: pinestone on January 30, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
pinestone
Pinestone, folks,.... is the
inventor of the Ferrocell and other devices, including his now revolutionary new device! The Electromagnetic Deflection Unit
see his latest invention here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMssut5ik9A
Everyone here should pay him respect and get on bended knee as regarding him,....
( I MEAN THAT SERIOUSLY, NOT JOKINGLY) for his devices, his inventions.
8)
Ive MAYBE said that about 2 people alive,
and hes one of them. My hat off to you dear sir, all respect and love. :)
His Ferrocell invention is so simplex, so incredible, that I dare say without hesitation that I WOULD (no joke at all) personally kiss his ass with 100% due respect.
I may be a crude ass, but I respect who and what deserves respect. ;D ;)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 30, 2015, 07:31:57 PM
Pinestone, folks is the inventor of the Ferrocell ...
Oh you can remain seated hahah.
Really, lets not be so dramatic. I'm just another experimenter and magnet enthusiast like the rest of you.
We're all trying to figure this stuff out to try and make a better world for us to live in.
8)
Quote from: pinestone on January 30, 2015, 07:43:44 PM
I'm just another experimenter
Ill have to strongly disagree on that one ;D :o
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 30, 2015, 07:51:01 PM
Ill have to strongly disagree on that one ;D :o
I am dipping my virtual lid to the both of you ;D :o ;D You have taught me a lot! Not just how to cuss either ;D ;D
QuotePinestone, folks,.... is the inventor of the Ferrocell and other devices
Are you talking "inventor" or "supplier?"
Picowatt talked about using these things in the 1970s, 40 years ago. You can see how the products are actually simple. You need the iron nano-balls (I don't know the proper terminology), some kind of oil to suspend them in, some machined aluminium, some glass sheets, some sealant, some LEDs and possibly some coils.
I am not trying to offend anyone, the products look very nice, but they are very simple. It takes work to design and produce them for sure.
The real problem for Kenny is to successfully interpret what the patterns actually mean, as opposed to what he imagines they mean. That's a whole other ball game.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 09:17:40 PM
Are you talking "inventor" or "supplier?"
Picowatt talked about using these things in the 1970s, 40 years ago. You can see how the products are actually simple. You need the iron nano-balls (I don't know the proper terminology), some kind of oil to suspend them in, some machined aluminium, some glass sheets, some sealant, some LEDs and possibly some coils.
I am not trying to offend anyone, the products look very nice, but they are very simple. It takes work to design and produce them for sure.
The real problem for Kenny is to successfully interpret what the patterns actually mean, as opposed to what he imagines they mean. That's a whole other ball game.
MileHigh
MH,
I said I had some 40 year old ferrofluid leftover from work back in my "photonics" days, not a Ferrocell!
However, I agree with the rest of your post.
PW
and I did learn some new cusswords ,and I was born and raised In NYC
the land of a thousand tongues ...so That is pretty impressive....
and I'm most definitely paying attention to the topics here.
thx
Chet
Quote from: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 09:17:40 PM
Are you talking "inventor" or "supplier?"
INVENTORMagnetic flux viewer
Patent number: 8246356Abstract: In an embodiment, the claimed invention is a device to for optical presentation of magnetic flux. A ferromagnetic colloidal mixture is substantially evenly dispersed and sealed between two optically transmissive lenses. At least one magnetic source is juxtaposed about the viewer. A light source is positioned to project through the mixture, the light interacting with the mixture to create the presentation of magnetic flux. The viewer is optionally positioned within a housing. In another embodiment, the invention is a method of using the viewer to view a presentation of magnetic flux when light interacts with the mixture.
Type: Grant
Filed: April 12, 2007
Issued: August 21, 2012
Inventor: Timm A. Vanderelli
1. A device for optical representation of magnetic flux, said device comprising:
a) two spaced apart optically transmissive lenses
b) a ferromagnetic colloidal mixture coextensively positioned in said space between said lenses, said lenses being spaced apart up to about 25 μm; and
c) a visible light source positioned to project visible light through said mixture to present an optical representation of magnetic flux in the presence of a magnetic source juxtaposed to said mixture.
2. The device as in claim 1, further comprising a housing in which said lenses compressively house said mixture.
3. A device for optically viewing a representation of magnetic flux, comprising:
a) nonmagnetic housing;
b) two optically transmissive lenses spaced apart up to about 25 μm;
c) a transparent ferromagnetic colloidal mixture coextensively compressed between said lenses; and
d) a visible light source positioned to project light through said mixture to provide an optical representation of magnetic flux when in the presence of a magnetic source.
4. A device for optically viewing a representation of magnetic flux comprising
a. a housing having a pair of optically transmissive lenses spaced apart from each other up to about 25 μm and
b. a transparent ferromagnetic colloidal mixture coextensively and compressively positioned between said lenses to optically view a representation of magnetic flux in the presence of at least one magnetic source.
5. A device as set forth in claim 4 including a visible light source.
6. A device as set forth in claim 5 wherein said visible light source is positioned to project visible light through said transparent mixture.
and:
DIPOLAR TRANSVERSE FLUX ELECTRIC MACHINE
Application number: 20140265652
Abstract: The present invention relates to an improved electric machine which, when operating in motor mode, produces rotational torque without using alternating magnetic polarity, but rather magnetic axial flux that utilizes coils arranged in a dipolar manner around an axial plane. In a preferred embodiment of the invention, the use of energy is significantly enhanced therein by injecting the energy harvested from the collapsing fields of electromagnetic drive components, and then directing said energy from said primary-drive coils of the machine into an isolated circuit which is thereafter introduced as a transient secondary process to power secondary-drive coils of the machine in order to increase the overall efficiency of the machine.
Type: Application
Filed: March 15, 2013
Issued: September 18, 2014
Inventors: Timm A. Vanderelli
and other patents. ........
Patent number: 7643312Abstract: An apparatus for a wireless power supply including a mechanism for receiving a range of RF radiation across a collection of frequencies. The apparatus includes a mechanism for converting the RF radiation across the collection of frequencies, preferably at a same time into DC. A method for a wireless power supply including the steps of receiving a range of RF radiation across a collection of frequencies. There is the step of converting the RF radiation across the collection of frequencies, preferably at a same time into DC.
Type: Grant
Filed: February 17, 2006
Issued: January 5, 2010
Assignee: Powercast Corporation
Inventors: Timm A. Vanderelli
thumbs up ;)
Quote from: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 09:17:40 PM
I am not trying to offend anyone, the products look very nice, but they are very simple.
MileHigh
ALL inventors STRIVE for the MOST VERY SIMPLE devices, its the Divine Stamp of perfection to make a VERY SIMPLE invention with 5 (OR LESS) parts that "does" something WHOLLY UNSEEN
You just pooped your diaper on that statement son. :o ;D ;D
Quote from: Jimboot on January 30, 2015, 09:15:43 PM
You have taught me a lot! Not just how to cuss either ;D ;D
"colorful" cursing is most fun when its complex. ;D
Some of my faves are:
1. mental midget
2. crotch cricket
3. pseudo-intellectual ape
4. sub-human simian
5. intellectual degenerate
6. knuckle-dragging missing-link
7. two-legged talking syphilis-sore
;D ;D
Quote from: ramset on January 30, 2015, 09:57:50 PM
I was born and raised In NYC
the land of a thousand tongues ...so That is pretty impressive....
thx
Chet
Chet:
NYC? What the hell is the matter with you? They are taxing you to death...and even then you still have to pay. I was born and raised in NJ BUT have been living in KY for over 35 years. Not perfect mind you (They are learning from the NY guys) but waaaay less taxes and restrictions on freedoms.
Example:
1985 Taxes on my $30,000 home in NJ were $5,200/year.
1995 Taxes on my $70,000 home in KY were $320.00/year. (Oh, and one of my friends that is still up there told me my home in NJ sold for $425,000 a few years ago.)
Anyway....back on topic.
Bill
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on January 30, 2015, 10:19:14 PM
"colorful" cursing is most fun when its complex. ;D
Some of my faves are:
1. mental midget
2. crotch cricket
3. pseudo-intellectual ape
4. sub-human simian
5. intellectual degenerate
6. knuckle-dragging missing-link
7. two-legged talking syphilis-sore
;D ;D
Where's the "like" button . Keep up the fantastic work mate!
Quote from: Jimboot on January 31, 2015, 12:37:09 AM
Keep up the fantastic work
PERSONAL CHECKLIST-
Embrace hell.
Spit at the status quo
Always assume any accepted scientific premise is based upon academic assholes who were paid to come up with fake BS but appears so convoluted and complex as to seem plausible and true but in fact isnt.
Realize that one asshole with a degree
was given said degree because he said all the things the first asshole agreed with and therein mutual bullshit was conferred from one moron to another to pass along a long-held lie, one person after another in perpetuity.
Seek wisdom and tell everyone else where to shove it.
Make a religion out of the truism that "Truth by consensus" is the the most sadistic herd mentality shat out of the ass of a demon and embraced by nearly all.
Realize that nothing TRUE is popular, and nothing POPULAR is true.
Do no harm, but take no shit.
check, check, check, check, check, check........ ....double and triple check. ;D
Quote from: Jimboot on January 30, 2015, 09:15:43 PM
....
crap, I missed a quote:
"All literature on this subject (Relativity & and curved 'space-time') is futile and destined to oblivion"
- N. Tesla
::)
All scientific mind of last century thought of contacting Mars, Venus or other beings. There is nothing new or extraordinary in that! Tesla, Marconi, Steinmetz and others tried this. The main difference between then and now is they were motivated by their desire to know and understand not by their desire to gain more money by any means. A big difference that shape accordingly the nowadays reality!
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 01, 2015, 06:08:32 AM
::)
Ditto to what Sadang said. ;D
As for Tinfoilhat......
YOU , son, are the VERY SAME worthless Kunt-Sore that is powering your home and washing your 2" pecker with
everything TESLA invented. Youre a knob polishing Koala molester
The quote below is for you. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 01, 2015, 04:01:59 PM
Ditto to what Sadang said. ;D
As for Tinfoilhat......
YOU , son, are the VERY SAME worthless Kunt-Sore that is powering your home and washing your 2" pecker with everything TESLA invented.
Youre a knob polishing Koala molester
The quote below is for you. ;D
Another false insult directed at me, simply for posting a quotation from Tesla? That reveals just who and what you are.
You are indeed a potty mouthed, insecure child who makes false claims and cannot perform proper experiments.
Whatever happened to your "FREE ENERGY" bismuth sphere, eh? Running your house yet on anything but conventional supplies? Of course you are not.
I laugh at you, false claimant.
It's really sad, and comical, to see such an intelligent person as yourself falling prey to your neuroses. You are so very insecure that you can't even stand the thought of being refuted. You post a quote from Tesla saying that relativity is wrong, I post another quote from Tesla saying he picks up intelligent signals from Mars.... which we now know is wrong. This demonstrates that Tesla is NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.... and you insult me with potty mouth insults that would sound silly coming from an eight-year-old child, and which sound utterly ridiculous coming from a grown man. In addition to being unable to refute my point, which is that Tesla is not always correct. You don't belong in civilized company, you are an utter barbarian and you are so insecure that your ego can be knocked over with a simple quotation. Lash out all you like, impotent child Kenny, the only person you can hurt is yourself.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 01, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
simply for posting a quotation from Tesla
One good quotes deserves another.
You remind me of paparazzi stalkers that look for a picture of a famous person taking a shit and publishing it and using said picture to "tear someone down"
Your quote is no diff.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 01, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
, which is that Tesla is not always correct.
Since Ive said that 100X already, youve said not a single goddamn thing, strawman fallacy.
Likewise Teslas failures are 100X LESS than your "successes" (for which I count NONE). ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 01, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
Whatever happened to your "FREE ENERGY" bismuth sphere, eh? Running your house yet on anything but conventional supplies? Of course you are not.
I laugh at you, false claimant.
Flase statement asshole. I said in the video that there was NOT enough energy there to power anything.
I said it twice in fact.
So, nice bullshit attempt on your part to claim something I NEVER said to begin with, moron.
LIKEWISE, Ive said a 100X there is exists NO OVERUNITY, its impossible.
Youve only proven my earlier statement that your an
intellectual pervert ;D
"One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane."
― Nikola TeslaLucky FOR YOU, ;D you are neither a DEEP thinker or a CLEAR thinker, so you're 'safe'
I joined this forum just for this topic. I know next to nothing about electricity and magnetism. I however have been reading Wheeler's work in metaphysics for some years and he kindly answers my questions on e-mail. When he started with the magnetism stuff I tried to keep up, and it was good because I started reading more about science and it prevented me from falling in irrational mysticism.
I read most of this topic, that is pertaining to the main discussions. Due to not knowing the subject I can't say wether wheeler is right about magnetism, I can attest however his intelligence, and his dedication to learning. Having read metaphysics I can also attest how wise he is on this topic.
Having also accompanied some of the work on magnetism, I can attest to the amazing metaphysical insight one can get from his ideas. For example, in most traditional metaphysics it is said that matter is the void inside out (making it simple). So his theories on counterspace-space are in agreement. That's just one of many examples, and I could derive many things from his work on magnetism that give great insight into life.
It seems to me, pardon if I'm wrong, that to resolve the question of the heat from the magnet one must only, if the difference would be measurable, perform the FLIR recording with both a big magnet and a non-magnetic same size piece of whatever the magnet is made of. One would hope to see the great heat in the magnet, but not on the plain iron - or whatever the magnet was made of. (that is, the question of wether the CAMERA itself is responsible for the heat, as some suggested).
I have no way of knowing wether user's Mile High accusations against wheeler are true - I however will continue to communicate with him asking questions whenever possible, both on metaphysics and science whenever possible at his disposal.
And I agree that his demeanor on this topic was pretty awful. :P
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Quote from: pedromarcus on February 05, 2015, 04:59:38 PM
I joined this forum just for this topic. I know next to nothing about electricity and magnetism. I however have been reading Wheeler's work in metaphysics for some years and he kindly answers my questions on e-mail. When he started with the magnetism stuff I tried to keep up, and it was good because I started reading more about science and it prevented me from falling in irrational mysticism.
I read most of this topic, that is pertaining to the main discussions. Due to not knowing the subject I can't say wether wheeler is right about magnetism, I can attest however his intelligence, and his dedication to learning. Having read metaphysics I can also attest how wise he is on this topic.
Having also accompanied some of the work on magnetism, I can attest to the amazing metaphysical insight one can get from his ideas. For example, in most traditional metaphysics it is said that matter is the void inside out (making it simple). So his theories on counterspace-space are in agreement. That's just one of many examples, and I could derive many things from his work on magnetism that give great insight into life.
It seems to me, pardon if I'm wrong, that to resolve the question of the heat from the magnet one must only, if the difference would be measurable, perform the FLIR recording with both a big magnet and a non-magnetic same size piece of whatever the magnet is made of. One would hope to see the great heat in the magnet, but not on the plain iron - or whatever the magnet was made of. (that is, the question of wether the CAMERA itself is responsible for the heat, as some suggested).
I have no way of knowing wether user's Mile High accusations against wheeler are true - I however will continue to communicate with him asking questions whenever possible, both on metaphysics and science whenever possible at his disposal.
And I agree that his demeanor on this topic was pretty awful. :P
What you should look for is whether an idea leads to a testable hypothesis. So if for example someone has the idea that some aspect of electromagnetics as currently taught is wrong, then they ought to be able to come up with an experiment that would demonstrate that failure. The flip side is that if someone has an alternate idea of how things work, then their ideas ought to be reducible to testable hypotheses. One could then run falsification experiments to see if those hypotheses hold water.
Given that there are simulation tools on the market that have been tested and shown to produce accurate results from DC to 1THz that are all based on current electromagnetic theory, I think that showing up a fundamental flaw in current electromagnet theory is going to be a pretty difficult feat. Given that there is quite a bit of technology in use today that has been developed on the basis of special relativity being correct, arguments against it better be able to account for why it seems to work, and work so accurately. That doesn't mean it is right: Ptolemy famously accounted for the movement of many heavenly bodies with his epicycles. So it is always possible that ideas like special relativity give the right answers for the wrong reasons. But someone has to be able to show that it is really wrong.
Quote frm E:'what you should look for is whether an idea leads to a testable hypothesis.'
End quote
Excellent.repeatability always number 1
Quote from: MarkE on February 10, 2015, 08:27:01 PM
But someone has to be able to show that it is really wrong.
Hi Mark,
WHilst I agree with the premise of what you are saying, do they have to show it is really wrong or just a better theory. i.e. Electric Universe theory about comets vs dirty snowball one. Certainly Ken has demonstrated a lot about magnetism that I haven't seen anywhere else. I see a lot of parallels with what he is doing and what the E.U. guys are showing. Esp on the aspect of the aether.
Quote from: Jimboot on February 11, 2015, 02:56:27 AM
Hi Mark,
WHilst I agree with the premise of what you are saying, do they have to show it is really wrong or just a better theory. i.e. Electric Universe theory about comets vs dirty snowball one. Certainly Ken has demonstrated a lot about magnetism that I haven't seen anywhere else. I see a lot of parallels with what he is doing and what the E.U. guys are showing. Esp on the aspect of the aether.
Given two competing ideas that make the same correct predictions Occam tells us that the simpler of the two is more likely the correct one. I highly doubt that Ken Wheeler could for example apply his ideas and correctly predict: propagation delay, insertion loss, and phase in an ordinary printed circuit microstrip transmission line.
Quote from: MarkE on February 11, 2015, 03:16:00 AM
Given two competing ideas that make the same correct predictions Occam tells us that the simpler of the two is more likely the correct one. I highly doubt that Ken Wheeler could for example apply his ideas and correctly predict: propagation delay, insertion loss, and phase in an ordinary printed circuit microstrip transmission line.
Doesn't Occam's only apply if we're using the same data? To my simple mind what Ken is showing is significant bloch walls moving, spirographic patterns of mag flux, Laithwaite's work etc. I don't have the knowledge to answer your questions of predictions but I do know when conventional science tells me infinity is expanding at an accelerating speed with no extra input, something is screwy and alternate theories are required.
Quote...but I do know when conventional science tells me infinity is expanding at an accelerating speed with no extra input, something is screwy and alternate theories are required
Great and fundamental observation. And there are infinite more examples as this one, where science has no answer, or in the best case has some evasive answers. What people can't and I suppose don't want to understand, is the actual science is just a model to shape the reality. A model governed by money and interests. Wrong premises, wrong development, wrong results!
Quote from: Jimboot on February 11, 2015, 03:32:40 AM
Doesn't Occam's only apply if we're using the same data?
That's right, if two different hypotheses predict the same observed result (from the same test conditions) then the simpler of the two is the more likely correct. If Ken Wheeler's ideas cannot make correct predictions where the ideas he rejects do, then he is pretty much dead in the water.
QuoteTo my simple mind what Ken is showing is significant bloch walls moving, spirographic patterns of mag flux, Laithwaite's work etc. I don't have the knowledge to answer your questions of predictions but I do know when conventional science tells me infinity is expanding at an accelerating speed with no extra input, something is screwy and alternate theories are required.
Ken Wheeler performs various demonstrations and makes representations concerning those demonstrations, which is all fine and well. He then proclaims that existing theory is wrong, and that he has better ideas. So there are three things that we want to know: 1) Is there a set of conditions where existing E/M theory makes incorrect predictions? 2) Does an alternate theory make correct predictions for those circumstances? 3) Does that alternate theory also make the same correct predictions in all the cases that existing E/M theory does? If all three are found to be true, then the alternate theory is superior and should supplant existing E/M theory.
As dissatisfying as anyone might find anything that they understand current theory to say, there is nothing more dissatisfying than theory that makes incorrect predictions. We pretty much find our way through the darkness by noting when our current theories predict incorrectly. Coming up with a way to patch or replace existing theory when it predicts incorrectly has driven Western science for 300 years. At this juncture, over a very wide scale, existing E/M theory makes very, very accurate predictions. That does not mean that it is the end-all or even that it is right. It means that to substitute an alternate theory, the alternate theory has to clear a very high bar.
Do electrons exist as particles? Ken says that's rubbish. Electrons are a
key feature of chemical reactions and must be fairly well understood by now.
Can anyone put me out of my misery?
Thank you anyone,
John.
Quote from: MarkE on February 10, 2015, 08:27:01 PM
Given that there is quite a bit of technology in use today that has been developed on the basis of special relativity being correct, arguments against it better be able to account for why it seems to work, and work so accurately.
you miss a fundamental mental defect (not as per yourself) in these assholes of Quantum bullshit.
They make often correct experimentations, and make wholly INCORRECT conclusions from same.
I can verify the phase shift of dielectric retardation in an electrical system and CONCLUDE same is due to subatomic unicorns which force the phase shift.
The experiment can be VALIDLY reproduced a 1000000 times, but the conclusions, the premise, the theory of the phenomena is 100% INVALID
This is the same mental defect the moron Einstein won a Nobel prize for as per his photoelectric effect,
his conclusions are 100% both impossible AND invalid.
Quote from: minnie on February 11, 2015, 04:47:54 AM
Do electrons exist as particles? Ken says that's rubbish. Electrons are a
key feature of chemical reactions and must be fairly well understood by now.
Can anyone put me out of my misery?
Thank you anyone,
John.
Everytime TK displays a waveform on one of his analog scopes the display is a result of the phosphor being excited supposedly by electrons crashing into the phosphor. You can read all about how the cathode ray tube in each of those scopes are believed to work: A hot cathode serves as a willing source of those electrons which then get accelerated by the anode voltage towards the viewing end of the tube. The greater the anode current, the brighter the dot on the phosphor. So whatever electrons are they seem able to collide with phosphors and the phosphors then emit light. We can also set up an electron beam and measure mechanical force of that beam hitting a target. We can also set up experiments and strip the devils off into a plasma and observe apparent mass. Those are particle-like behaviors. But then the little devils also exhibit very wave-like behaviors. We can always hope that there will come a very fundamental breakthrough where we can simply and elegantly explain these behaviors we see. For now we plod along with the curious idea that they are both particles and waves because that is how they have appeared to us for almost 130 years.
Quote from: MarkE on February 11, 2015, 03:16:00 AM
correctly predict: propagation delay, insertion loss, and phase
I have 300+ more pages to add, and the answer is yes, I can.
As for your Ockham's razor analogy, you incorrectly attribute connotation to same rather than denotation.
However, my premise is as simplex as could ever be dreamed. Pressure mediation in inertia reciprocation ala the Poincare' disk model hyperboloid of magnetic divergence is so simplex as to be divine.
As for your Ockhams razor analogy:copyright 2010 Ken L Wheeler
William of Ockham, famous for a take upon his statement that one should not multiply entities beyond necessity "Entia non sunt multiplicanda sine necessitate"; now known only as "Ockham's razor" was a metaphysical conclusion taken upon himself from the Platonic texts to which he was oft to have studied. It is certainly true that Ockham's position to wit that the only "true necessity was that of God; all else is a (compounded) contingency" is at least nearly correct, as taken from the position of his Creationist mentality which cannot be cleaved from Ockham's error that the Absolute was a composite entity with self-sentience, i.e. God.
From this obviously untenable position it is of no surprise that "Ockham's razor" is often wielded as an argument against a Creationist theos by the equally ignorant nihilists and metaphysical atheists who realize the incommensurate errors which lie at the heart of positing the Absolute as more than the essence of being, but rather a supreme being in and of itself, to which the Platonists are vociferously apposite. It is therefore ironic that Ockham himself was a Creationist merely well versed and agreed with the logical Monism as found in the Platonic texts to which he was well learned, save for subjective adaptation to fit into his God-model of cosmic mechanics.
Ockham was arguably important in physics for his view, apparently an application of his razor, that motion is essentially self-conserving in itself without need of any causal force to which it need be added that Monism's very core denies a "first sin" or "original cause" for the descent of being into empirical entrapment. The great "secret", for lack of better designation, of Emanationism (proodos) and Platonic Monism is that descent and embodiment are ananke (necessitated, unavoidable; choate principle and attribute of the Absolute itself) to which wisdom's revelation invokes the divine insight in the seeker that what the Absolute "is" and what it "does" are without distinction, in whole or in part, and are one and the very same essence, that being nous, or spirit, will, or "mind" in the non-empirical sense. To which what spirit 'is' and its attribute (what it 'does') are without differentiation.
Rightly so, his skepticism to which his ontological divine-simplicity request leads, appears in his doctrine that human reason can prove neither the immortality of the soul nor the existence, unity, and infinity of God. These truths, he teaches, are known to us by noetic revelation alone; logically all empirical speculation and theories are objective consubstantial conscious machinations which can neither provide revelation or bring about assimilation, i.e. bring proximity of the spirit to itself.
"Ockham's razor", in summation, lays contrary to the Creationist-God of Ockham himself but equally and intensely so against that of the materialist-nihilist. Ignoring this nuance as defect in the engrained Abrahamic mentality of Ockham's Euro-Christian mentality, his "razor" sits at the very cornerstone and foundation upon which Platonism, logic and truth are built. This divine edifice of Emanationist Monism to which Ockham himself is famous for, but which he merely rediscovered, is the "supreme simplicity" which is stunningly simplex, yet which composes the entire mechanics of Emanationism/Platonic Monism. All beauty and complexity in nature are based upon Phi or Phi composites and it is certainly no surprise this divine ratio (Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi; or that Phi and 1 are but both the same thing, one delineated, the other numerated principle) was center of much study by the Platonists and the Pythagoreans before them (and before them?...).
Given a great deal of sufficient wisdom (to which I am thankful to possess much) it must be stated that just beneath the ecstatic unspeakable and transcendent bliss of synthesis with the Absolute, this holy union of Self with Self/Absolute; second to this is the intense stupefaction one is blessed to 'see', as product of wisdom, the incredible simplicity, the necessity ("it cannot be another way") of the mechanics of totality. The elimination internally of all of mankind's most common and many metaphysical "whys" wiped for all eternity from ones soul, is a spiritual Kingship that cannot be described in any sense or relation to another. "Ockham's razor" is merely a very late and rehashed statement attributed to William of Ockham as to his insights gleaned from his Platonic studies; just as all things known and unknown are, there is "nothing new under the sun, only things said and lost, and rediscovered and made new again".
What is most important of this "razor" is that, unlike the nihilism of atheism and illogic of Creationism, Emanationism stands at the epicenter of abductive logic, of truth, of unspeakably divine simplicity, of incontrovertibility, as the undeniable model of totality and the cosmos both spiritual and material. Thereof the wise and fool alike are begged to take precious time to study and come to internally know (gnosis, not episteme) what is true and most beneficial. Just as the Aryan kneels with bent head before the holy alter of wisdom (the same alter upon which the gods themselves also 'sacrifice') and which can bear one upon spiritual holistics, and the noetic righting of all former errors.
He who has not, before the alter of truth, vowed to sacrifice all to know what forever remains unknown to the common and profane many, shall not come to 'see' what leads to salvation and wisdom which transcends the antinomies of life and death; and which woefully perpetuates oneself thru eons of suffering and ignorance. Those super-rare wise become the unmarked and holy who cannot be counted or seen by the woes of this world and the demons who prey upon the helpless. They bear no debts or burdens; the children of ignorance are for them utterly gone for all eternity. Any who looks for such ones will only come upon a named body but never shall they find the Person who has been "wiped clean forever from the slate of birth and death".
What abnormal stupefaction the wise are blessed with to have wisdom into the incredible simplicity behind the mechanics of all things. Truly it takes much wisdom to rise above the trees to see the forest and at once know beginning and end and all things tween' both and marvel and rejoice in wisdom's fruit which bears witness to such a profound revelation few else can fathom. The "razor" is not Ockham's, nor the Platonists, but it is supremely true, is timeless, and revelation nonetheless; a paradigm the wise will nod to as acknowledgement of what they know as unquestionably accurate about the Absolute.
Quote from: MarkE on February 11, 2015, 04:37:39 AM
1) Is there a set of conditions where existing E/M theory makes incorrect predictions? 2) Does an alternate theory make correct predictions for those circumstances? 3) Does that alternate theory also make the same correct predictions in all the cases that existing E/M theory does? If all three are found to be true, then the alternate theory is superior and should supplant existing E/M theory.
I have said NOT ONE THING AT ALL at odds with:Faraday
Steinmetz
Heaviside
and Tesla
rather have a far more evolved understanding of said topic of the WHAT, WHY, HOW of Magnetism (vs. the magnet, which is another denotative Subject entirely, that being coherent mass polarization).
'Magnetism is..the 'dielectric field' -Faraday
Tesla on Magnetism:::::
"About fifteen years ago, Prof. Rowland demonstrated a most interesting and important fact, namely, that a static charge carried around produces the effects of an electric current." "...and conceiving the electrostatically charged molecules in motion,
this experimental fact gives us a fair idea of magnetism. We can conceive lines or tubes of force which physically exist, being formed of rows of directed moving molecules; we can see that these lines must be closed, that they must tend to shorten and expand, etc. It likewise explains in a reasonable way, the most puzzling phenomenon of all, permanent magnetism, and, in general, has all the beauties of the Ampere theory without possessing the vital defect of the same, namely, the assumption of molecular currents. Without enlarging further upon the subject, I would say, that
I look upon all electrostatic, current and magnetic phenomena as being due to electrostatic molecular forces." N. TeslaIn his 1891 A.I.E.E. lecture at Columbia College:
"What is electricity, and what is magnetism? "...We are now confident that electric and magnetic phenomena are attributable to the ether, and we are perhaps justified in saying that the effects of static electricity are effects of ether in motion", "...we may speak of electricity or of an electric condition, state or effect", "...we must distinguish two such effects, opposite in character neutralizing each other", "...for in a medium of the properties of the ether, we cannot possibly exert a strain, or produce a displacement or motion of any kind, without causing in the surrounding medium an equivalent and opposite effect." "...its condition determines the positive and negative character." "We know that it acts like an incompressible fluid;" "...the electro-magnetic theory of light and all facts observed teach us that electric and ether phenomena are identical." "The puzzling behavior of the ether as a solid to waves of light and heat, and as a fluid to the motion of bodies through it, is certainly explained in the most natural and satisfactory manner by assuming it to be in motion, as Sir William Thomson has suggested." "Nor can anyone prove that there are transverse ether waves emitted from an alternate current machine; to such slow disturbances, the ether, if at rest, may behave as a true fluid. Electricity, therefore, cannot be called ether in the broad sense of the term; but nothing would seem to stand in the way of calling electricity ether associated with matter, or bound ether; or, in other words, that the so-called static charge of the molecule is ether associated in some way with the molecule."
N. TeslaThe VISIBLE hypotrochoid pattern of magnetic reciprocation as seen using the Ferrocell follows my prediction 100% BEFORE I was even aware of the existence of the Ferrocell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo_k62pi8Vg
Likewise I have the extremely simplex formula for the HOW, and WHY of same, its a simplex PRESSURE HYPERBOLOID of the loss of inerita in coherent polarized reciprocation around an inertial equilibrium of dielectric potential.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 11, 2015, 05:11:42 AM
you miss a fundamental mental defect (not as per yourself) in these assholes of Quantum bullshit.
They make often correct experimentations, and make wholly INCORRECT conclusions from same.
I can verify the phase shift of dielectric retardation in an electrical system and CONCLUDE same is due to subatomic unicorns which force the phase shift.
The experiment can be VALIDLY reproduced a 1000000 times, but the conclusions, the premise, the theory of the phenomena is 100% INVALID
This is the same mental defect the moron Einstein won a Nobel prize for as per his photoelectric effect,
his conclusions are 100% both impossible AND invalid.
Einstein got his Nobel prize for his explanation of the photoelectric effect. Hertz was the first to report the effect. The effect is real enough and readily observed. It is true that one can easily conduct experiments that generate misleading information. Sometimes it has taken decades to fix misconceptions that came from faulty experiments.
As to whether Einstein's explanations are correct or not, they are observed to make accurate predictions. We only know a theory is preposterous when it makes outrageously wrong predictions. If a theory held that the universe is governed by reptilian humors, and that theory correctly predicted outcomes without fail, as absurd as the underlying idea might seem, it would be really hard to argue with the results. Any better idea than Einstein's has to predict at least as well as they do, and correctly predict where his explanation fails. Be it semiconductor junctions, or LASERs we have lots and lots of observations of energy gaps that behave just as quantum theory predicts, whether or not it is correct.
Quote from: minnie on February 11, 2015, 04:47:54 AM
Do electrons exist as particles? Ken says that's rubbish. Electrons are a
key feature of chemical reactions and must be fairly well understood by now.
CORRECTION,.........Tesla said it was rubbish
So too did many countless others...
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original. He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter, and does not believe in the existence of an "electron" as pictured by science.
"To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability..."
- Nikola TeslaArticle: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
"My ideas regarding the electron are at variance with those generally entertained. I hold that it is a relatively large entity carrying a surface charge and is not an elementary unit (particle). When the 'electron' leaves an electrode of high potential and in a high vacuum it carries an electrostatic charge many times greater than normal."
– N. Tesla "In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto remained obscure to us."
- Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916 "To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions." – W. Russell
Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit. One corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of what today is known incorrectly as an "electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W. Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether." – E. Dollard
"There is no rest mass to an 'electron'. It is given here the 'electron' is no more than a broken loose "hold fast" under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. Obviously this reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein's Theory of Relativity." – E. Dollard
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the 'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated"
- C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses) The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was r
egarded by Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings
Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction.
"Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve Biller
You cannot say that stretching a trillion rubber bands nailed to the floor and releasing them or breaking their "force lines" is the "flow of electrons"; discharge is a terminal movement in systems of inductance or dielectric capacitance. There are no discrete particles in the universe and certainly none that mediate charges, discharges, magnetism, electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation, only fields, all modalities of the Ether. The so-called 'electrons' are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "electrons", nor assuredly are there energy discharges in the vacuum of space involving 'electrons'; the 'electron' is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist. Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge; dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q; 'electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.
Anyone who thinks particles are flowing thru a wire has a mental DEFECT. This Electron = Particle bullshit is nothing more than Greek ATOMISM. The universe is NOT a giant sea of tiny pool balls rolling and banging and spinning.
Such ABSURD SUBHUMAN insane thinking belongs in the stone age. ;D
Quote from: MarkE on February 11, 2015, 05:29:22 AM
Einstein got his Nobel prize for his explanation of the photoelectric effect.
As to whether Einstein's explanations are correct or not, they are observed to make accurate predictions.
He got a Nobel prize for CORRECT observation and 100% INCORRECT conclusions.
I can make accurate predictions about X, and say it is due to "tiny unicorns"This however is NOT science, is NOT logical, and is pure rank filth.
YOU SAID::Einstein got his Nobel prize for his explanation
His explanation is 100% INCORRECT. Nobody is in denial of the experiment or results........ ;D ;D ;D
The Nobel prize was given for a 100% INCORRECT explanation.
You missed the boat
The Photoelectric effect lie corrected, the dielectric discharge effect
The erroneous idiocy of Einstein's mental failure as currently thought of as a "wave packet" is in fact a dielectric pulse in the radial center of EM propagation. This pulse is proportional to the frequency, the intensity of the EM being emitted as the Z-axis radial-dielectric (wrongly called photo-electric) charges indicate from experimentation. The Quantum notion of a "wave packet" and the 'photon' do not exist in the electromagnetic-dielectric model of the EM spectrum. They are phantom misunderstandings of electrodynamics, dielectric capacitance and reciprocating mutual conjugation by and thru magneto-spatial and dielectric-counterspatial co-axial energy formations.
The test and results of the photoelectric experiment are, of course, completely accurate and valid, the explanation however (where myopic pseudo-science fails typically) is a pure insane fantasy, both illogical, irrational, absurd, and purely the insane conclusion of Einstein's idiocy and his atomistic proclivities. Einstein had absolute NO training or study in electrical theory ala Tesla, Faraday, Maxwell and others. His only acclaim, his Nobel Prize for the photoelectric effect (not its results, but its explanation!) is a complete lie, fabrication and utter farce in the extreme.
Insanity defined in pure rarified form: "Photons have no mass, but they have momentum and they have an energy". A massless mass/particle is an absurd premise in the extreme, in defining the so-called photon, which in reality is a radial dielectric Z-axis component of the so-called "electromagnetism". It has inertia (not momentum, which is applicable to mass/matter), it of course has energy and is the only component of light that is the source for the energy of both its discharge as magnetism, and its magneto-dielectric mirror in transverse composition as electricity in the dielectro-electromagnetic true nature of light. This applies to the entire 'electromagnetic' spectrum. Light itself (as this work expands in form and editions) cannot exist without a Z-axis radial dielectric component, absolutely no different than the coaxial cable.
Below: The lie of the "photoelectric effect" showing non-existent electrons being shot off the reflector. Replace E with energy of the dielectric, h Planck and f frequency remain the same. This diagram is a lie fundamentally since the charged induction from the dielectric resides as capacitance between two charging plates, there is NOTHING (as the wrongly implied 'discharge particle') shot off the surface material, and certainly no electrons.
Dielectricity has the attributes of a refractive index depending on the field or material encountered (dielectric, diamagnetic, ferrous, etc.), dielectric inductivity and a luminal velocity when bounded by a co-axial electromagnetic geometry. This dielectric nature explains photoelectrical effects, refraction, dispersion, wave-particle dualities, diffusion, slow down in a dielectric medium, polarization phenomena, and high frequency power in electromagnetics.
In the magneto-electric-dielectric geometry of "electromagnetism", all magnetic lines are closed in upon themselves and likewise induce the dielectric conductor to electrification. Likewise the dielectric lines of force are counterspatially self terminating in radiating thru space and are the 'crankshaft' for electrical and magnetic reciprocation and inductance, which cannot, may not, as is commonly believed "self induce" each other.
The so-called "photoelectric effect" explains why the energy of the charging dielectric was dependent only on the frequency of the incident light and not on its intensity: a low-intensity, high-frequency source could supply a few high energy dielectric pulsations, whereas a high-intensity, low-frequency source would supply no radial dielectric pulsations of sufficient energy to cause charge upon the striking surface.
Einstein's unintelligent conclusions were that this wrongly conceived "photoelectric effect" contradicted the wave theory of light that followed by J.C. Maxwell's equations for electromagnetic behavior, however the truth of course is that this observed effect is the resultant of charging from dielectric inductance from the radial center-co-axial nature of high-energy and frequency light which is dielectro-electromagnetic. Contrary to belief, they did not contradict Maxwell's equations in the observed results, rather proved the central axial conductor of electromagnetism, the dielectric, however wrongly interpreted and understood by the lesser mind of Einstein.
The wrongly conceived photoelectric effect helped to propel the then-emerging quantum mysticism forward in a radical fashion. Light simultaneously possesses the characteristics of both waves and particles, each being manifested according to the circumstances, however horribly misunderstood by Einstein and his henchmen, and likewise their blind followers.
The effect was impossible to be understood in terms of the classical wave descriptions of light obviously, since the energy of the charge did not depend on the intensity of the incidental EM radiation.
...and of course Tesla had it RIGHT:
"There is something frightening about the universe when we consider that only our senses of sound and sight make it beautiful. The universe is darker than the darkest ink, colder than the coldest ice and more silent than a silent tomb. Sight and sound are our only avenues through which we can perceive it all...there is a third sense which have failed to discover."
"The fascination of the (false) electromagnetic theory of light, advanced by Maxwell and subsequently experimentally investigated by Hertz, was so great that even now, although controverted, the (idiot) scientific minds are under its sway. This theory supposed the existence of a medium which was solid yet permitted bodies to pass through it without resistance; (this absurdity is) tenuous behind conception, and yet according to out conceptions of mechanical principles and ages of experience, such a medium was absolutely impossible. Light was (wrongly) considered such a phenomena bound up in that kind of medium, namely transmitting transverse vibrations like a solid."
"What then can light be if NOT a transverse vibration(s)? I consider this extremely important. Light cannot be anything but a longitudinal (Z-axis radial!) disturbance in the Ether, involving alternate compressions and rarefactions. Light can be nothing else (phenomenally so) than a sound wave in the Ether."
"This appears clearly, if it is first realized that there is no Maxwellian Ether, therefore there can be no transverse oscillation in the medium. The Newtonian theory is in error, because it fails entirely in not being able to explain how a small candle can project (light) with the same speed at the blazing sun, which has immensely higher temperatures (and power). We have made sure by experiment that light propagates with the same velocity irrespective of the character of the source! Such consistency of velocity can only be explained by assuming that it is dependent solely on the 'physical' properties of the (Ether) medium, especially its density and its elastic (potential of) force." – Nikola Tesla
"All literature on this subject (relativity) is futile and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the existence of the Ether and the indispensable function it plays in the phenomena (of gravity, etc.)"
– N. Tesla
Quote from: MarkE on February 11, 2015, 05:17:06 AM
So whatever electrons are they seem able to collide with phosphors and the phosphors then emit light.
Lines of dielectric induction are neither "particles" nor "electrons"
Quote from: MarkE on February 11, 2015, 05:17:06 AM
For now we plod along with the curious idea that they are both particles and waves because that is how they have appeared to us for almost 130 years.
Speak for yourself, Im not "ploding"
Wave particle duality is a FARCE , a mental fart which gave birth to the insanity of Quantum and its string of bullshit.
There is NO "wave particle duality", only a mental defect in human critters lacking comprehension.
That light has 2 modes of reciprocation and three components is specifically the basis of the "wave-particle duality" (in reality an electromagnetic and dielectric radial-dimensional co-axial geometry) as wrongly propounded by GR and Quantum. Two transverse E and M polarizations with dimensionality and a dielectric radial component, which is the electromagnetic-fulcrum upon which electricity and magnetism conjugate thru and against.
The nonsense of "wave-particle duality" from Quantum mysticism is a fallacy; light creates interference fringes due to constructive or destructive phasing from the dielectric additive or destructive polarization, or "light on light".
While magnetism is geometric and spatial, electricity and dielectricity are counterspatial (however the electrical component is polarized). The quasi-matter of E.M. has the dielectric as the counterspatial Z-axis or ray around which electricity and magnetism reciprocate thru mutual induction and capacitance upon and rebounding against the dielectric. There are no photons, this inducto-capacitant electro-magnetic form, or E.M. accounts for the misunderstanding of wave-particle 'duality' (rather sheer ignorance) and countless other unique attributes of T.E.M.
. The idiot Einstein said: "We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two contradictory pictures of reality; separately (particle and wave theory) neither of them fully explains the phenomena of light, but together they do."
BELOW: The missing secret of light is now, for the first time ever, rationally exposed, deconstructed, and unites every phenomena known to exist around and regarding light. T
his explains the supposed "wave particle duality", it explains the Faraday effect, it explains the photo-electric effect, explains the manner by which light can be twisted by magnetic fields, explains why light can be deflected by extremely strong centripetal gravitational fields. The idiot Einstein said: "We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two contradictory pictures of reality; separately (particle and wave theory) neither of them fully explains the phenomena of light, but together they do." The 'photon' is a purely arbitrary concept. Einstein wrongly concluded light was a discrete wave-packet. He called such a wave-packet a 'light quanta'. Light, in fact, is D.E.M (dielectro-electromagnetic), a tri-fold circuit. The fundamental mass particle itself being a dielectric accretion formed in galactic formations, it is no coincidence whatsoever that light, like an atom itself, has dualistic properties of both waves and a beam of elements.
It is true that most people have the wrong headed idea that electrons are fundamental to E/M fields. The energy is almost all in the dielectric. At sufficiently high frequencies there is almost no energy in the conductors. The popular misconceptions that electrons are at the heart of E/M fields is a misconception of people who are ignorant to even classical E/M. They get taught the concept of a battery pushing electrons through a wire to a light bulb in grammar school and that erroneous idea of electrons as balls in a hose sticks. But that is not how either classical E/M or QED is understood at the university level.
The issue of energy quantization is a different matter. It comes from the observations of discrete behaviors that are gated by energy levels. That was first observed as the photoelectric effect. Classical E/M is linear and so incapable of exhibiting amplification seen in masers and lasers. It cannot account for the behavior of semiconductor band gaps. So even if anyone finds QED or just QM very disatisfying, they need to find something else that can account for the very non-linear behaviors we observe in materials interacting with E/M fields. If a mutant unicorn theory makes accurate predictions every time then it is just as good as any other theory. But it has to predict behavior accurately.
TA,
I'm glad to hear that you're not ploding.
John .
Quote theoriapophasis:'There
are no photons, this inducto-capacitant electro-magnetic form, or
E.M. accounts for the misunderstanding of wave-particle
'duality' (rather sheer ignorance) and countless other unique
attributes of T.E.M.'
Endquote
In other words light is packets of wobbling forces.I like this idea.who came up with it?
Here's an Interesting fact>Did you guys know that light can exert tremendous force upon an object as if it were a pressurized gas? In a hydrogen bomb it is a burst of x-ray photons that have enough force from the fission primary to collapse the fission secondary metal mass into criticality AND squeeze the deutrium to super-high pressures at same time.this millions of psi from x-rays alone nevermind the heat!
Quote from: MarkE on February 11, 2015, 06:11:35 AM
The issue of energy quantization is a different matter. It comes from the observations of discrete behaviors that are gated by energy levels. That was first observed as the photoelectric effect. Classical E/M is linear and so incapable of exhibiting amplification seen in masers and lasers. It cannot account for the behavior of semiconductor band gaps.
If some demented fools want to think that snapping a rubber band (trillions of same) is a "quanta", thats their OWN mental defect.
Either way, no particles are involved. MUCH LESS so thru a vacuum.
ALL OF QUANTUM is a bullshit fraud science based upon particles and "virtual particles"
and what kiddies are "virtual particles"????? These unicorn horseshit fantasies that Quantum is based upon????????
Yes, here we have it:
"A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out".
= 100% pure unfiltered mental bullshit of the most HIGH magnitude
Current shit science is
100% Classical Greek Atomism. without ANY DOUBT. This is not a universe of rolling BB's bouncing and hitting and etc. Its absurd and pathetic a presumption.
The photoelectric effect explanation is a total lie. Transverse electrical and magnetic divergence are NOT power conveyances. To subsume as much is as absurd as saying you got irradiated/bit by the CAGE rather than the bird inside same.
Z axis longitudinal dielectric pulses explain away all the insanity of wave particle "duality" bullshit and explain the photoelectric effect and IS both logical, reproducible and additionally irrefutable.
Classical EM is linear? SINCE WHEN? theyre all transverse, coherent or incoherent. Coherent EM is only more dangerous due to ADDITIVE IN-PHASE dielectric pulses.
Phase compounding is one of the most important principles of efficient energy production,........so sayeth TESLA himself.
cannot account for the behavior of semiconductor band gaps??? EM cannot,... dielectric CAN.
Our supposed advanced SHIT SCIENCE teaches people that looking down the power lines is the SAME as giant BB filled rain sticks within which particles are rolling along.
A greater sick mental disease cannot be fathomed.
"What Tesla accomplished is the greatest discovery in mankind. The transmission lines you see everywhere, along the roads in every place you go, these allows us to have a giant drive shaft that we can take rotary motion from like a massive turbine plant and convey it thru an electromagnetic structure that operates with reflected waves and time frames. This work just like a drive shaft, it bounces back and forth, twists, and rotates.
But you can stand outside and look at those thick power lines that go down any public street and in the space between those lines, the energy there is the energy of a giant railroad locomotive moving at 95% of the speed of light down the space between those wires, and there is no evidence that anything at all is happening except that the wires are slightly pushed apart
and warm. So it's a type of drive shaft that exists in another dimension. Then you put the synchronous machine on the other end (of that power line) and you couple out of that (electrical) drive shaft like a transmission and you have rotary force again. These things (rotary Tesla generators) are no more than stamped iron in patterns. By making this special arch form and its influences on the formative forces in the Ether ...Tesla's invention is the most powerful arch form the human race has ever conceived."
– Eric P
Dollard
hahaha oh the denial and resistance to throwing that college or self 'education' in the trash can and starting anew.
When is the fourth edition hitting the net?
Quote from: Brian516 on February 11, 2015, 10:57:42 PM
hahaha oh the denial and resistance to throwing that college or self 'education' in the trash can and starting anew.
But, they ARE google smart tho.
Regards...
Quote from: Brian516 on February 11, 2015, 10:57:42 PM
hahaha oh the denial and resistance to throwing that college or self 'education' in the trash can and starting anew.
When is the fourth edition hitting the net?
4th edition? "Soon" I have about 300+ pages to add, and there is SO much its overwhelming. Also I have lots of biological experiments to add that will "pop" some peoples cork.
However MOST of those experiments
are duplicates of Rawles and Davis, however they didnt grasp the phase shifts of the poles, as to the "HOW/ WHY" etc.
Starting anew????
You have TWO CHOICES ONLY.
1. belief in Quantum BULLSHIT which uses "virtual particles" (NEVER EVER before observed or otherwise) which mediate ALL forces and action at a distance, which is 100% INSANE
2. Rational, logical sensible Field / charge explanations which in NO WAY diverge from Tesla, Steinmetz, JC Maxwell, Faraday etc.
The Cult of quantum is just insane at every level.
Check this recent shit out::::
A few quotes from the article:
"In physical terms, the model describes the universe as being filled with a quantum fluid."
No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginninghttp://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html#ajTabs
the CULT OF QUANTUM are the quintessential GIANT AZZHOLES posing as genuine science of our time.
Their god is the prick Einstein, and whats WORSE is they piss on the Ether....
but what is their substitute????? VIRTUAL PARTICLES
and what kiddies are "virtual particles"????? These unicorn horseshat fantasies that Quantum is based upon????????
Yes, here we have it:
"A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out".
which is AS INSANE as saying "Unicorns did it"
"The word Ether has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics only because its past association with opposition to
relativity. This is unfortunate because stripped of these connotations, it nicely captures the way most physicists actually thin about the
vacuum. The modern concept of vacuum space confirmed by every experiment is a relativistic Ether. But we do not call it this because
Ether is a taboo term." - Robert B. Laughlin
Haaaaa!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
You want the "SECRET" to ALL OF QUANTUM PHYSICS??????
Its this spooky word theyre 100% AFRAID OF, and HAVE NEVER EVER DEFINED
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 11, 2015, 09:31:42 AM
If some demented fools want to think that snapping a rubber band (trillions of same) is a "quanta", thats their OWN mental defect.
Either way, no particles are involved. MUCH LESS so thru a vacuum.
ALL OF QUANTUM is a bullshit fraud science based upon particles and "virtual particles"
and what kiddies are "virtual particles"????? These unicorn horseshit fantasies that Quantum is based upon????????
Yes, here we have it:
"A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out".
= 100% pure unfiltered mental bullshit of the most HIGH magnitude
Current shit science is 100% Classical Greek Atomism. without ANY DOUBT. This is not a universe of rolling BB's bouncing and hitting and etc. Its absurd and pathetic a presumption.
The photoelectric effect explanation is a total lie. Transverse electrical and magnetic divergence are NOT power conveyances. To subsume as much is as absurd as saying you got irradiated/bit by the CAGE rather than the bird inside same.
The photo electric effect explanation has to do with observed energy gaps. Those are very nonlinear behaviors. Quantum mechanics is a way that those behaviors can be accounted for. If you want to replace it with something that you think is better, then you have the three hurdles to overcome.
Quote
Z axis longitudinal dielectric pulses explain away all the insanity of wave particle "duality" bullshit and explain the photoelectric effect and IS both logical, reproducible and additionally irrefutable.
Classical EM is linear? SINCE WHEN? theyre all transverse, coherent or incoherent. Coherent EM is only more dangerous due to ADDITIVE IN-PHASE dielectric pulses.
Since it was formulated. There are no energy gaps in classical E/M. In classical E/M all energy is
linearly additive.
Quote
Phase compounding is one of the most important principles of efficient energy production,........so sayeth TESLA himself.
cannot account for the behavior of semiconductor band gaps??? EM cannot,... dielectric CAN.
Great then let's explore that. Would you kindly show an example in dielectric theory for the observed characteristics of say an ordinary 1N4148 signal diode as the bias is changed from say -1V to +1V?
Quote
Our supposed advanced SHIT SCIENCE teaches people that looking down the power lines is the SAME as giant BB filled rain sticks within which particles are rolling along.
No, that's what they teach in grammar school. Neither classical E/M, nor QEM teaches that at the university level.
Quote
A greater sick mental disease cannot be fathomed.
"What Tesla accomplished is the greatest discovery in mankind. The transmission lines you see everywhere, along the roads in every place you go, these allows us to have a giant drive shaft that we can take rotary motion from like a massive turbine plant and convey it thru an electromagnetic structure that operates with reflected waves and time frames. This work just like a drive shaft, it bounces back and forth, twists, and rotates.
But you can stand outside and look at those thick power lines that go down any public street and in the space between those lines, the energy there is the energy of a giant railroad locomotive moving at 95% of the speed of light down the space between those wires, and there is no evidence that anything at all is happening except that the wires are slightly pushed apart
and warm. So it's a type of drive shaft that exists in another dimension. Then you put the synchronous machine on the other end (of that power line) and you couple out of that (electrical) drive shaft like a transmission and you have rotary force again. These things (rotary Tesla generators) are no more than stamped iron in patterns. By making this special arch form and its influences on the formative forces in the Ether ...Tesla's invention is the most powerful arch form the human race has ever conceived." – Eric P
Dollard
Except that we can and do build things that readily detect that energy flow.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 03:53:24 AM
Quantum mechanics is a way that those behaviors can be accounted for. If you want to replace it with something that you think is better,
it DOESNT explain same at ALL.
Unless you think Unicorns are an explanation, Errrr, i meant 'virtual particles'.
Replace it with what is both LOGICAL , RATIONAL, and the premise of Tesla, Steinmetz, Faraday, JC Maxwell???
YES, Absofuckinglutely. Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 03:53:24 AM
Except that we can and do build things that readily detect that energy flow.
FALLACY HELL 101 ;D ;D ;D
"electron microscopes" WORK, yet have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with showering targets with particles/electrons
An EXPERIMENT is one thing
An (accurate) EXPLANATION is another thing. ;D
I see you havent learned that yet.
The 'electron microscope' lie "Because the SEM (scanning electron microscope) utilizes vacuum conditions and uses 'electrons' to form an image, special preparations must be applied to the sample. All water must be removed from the samples because the water would vaporize in the vacuum. All metals are conductive and require no preparation before being used.
All non-metals need to be made conductive by covering the sample with a thin layer of conductive material. This is done by using a device called a "sputter coater". The sputter coater uses an electric field and argon gas. The sample is placed in a small chamber that is at a vacuum. Argon gas and an electric field cause an 'electron' to be removed from the argon, making the atoms positively charged. The argon ions then become attracted to a negatively charged gold foil. The argon ions knock gold atoms from the surface of the gold foil. These gold atoms fall and settle onto the surface of the sample producing a thin gold coating "
Only conductive (metal) samples are suitable for "electron" microscopy untreated, all other samples are metal treated to prevent them from burning up in the intense dielectric beam. The resulting image is therefore of the metal coating or stain and not the original sample! Never believe a relativist telling you he's "shooting his electron gun". A metal dielectric reflector of a once living organism is not the original sample nor are there electrons scanning it. This device in reality is a dielectric scanning reflector, which produces fine images as only reflected off metal surfaces. The very focusing beams of these microscope are constrictor "lenses" of dielectric flux lines.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 03:53:24 AM
. Quantum mechanics is a way that those behaviors can be accounted for.
QUANTUM bullshit has never even defined a FIELD ;D ;D ;D ;D
Not even ATTEMPTED to do same.The entire mechanics of the cosmos, 100 FUCKING %, is FIELD or FIELD modalities and PARTICLE FREE
Repeat this until you get it ---"FIELDS ARE NOT PARTICLES"
Repeat this until you get it--- "FIELDS DONT HAVE SHIT TO DO WITH PARTICLES"
Repeat this until you get it--- "FIELDS ARE PARTICLE-FREE INERTIA AND FORCE VECTORS, and 100% OF COSMIC MECHANICS"
Repeat this until you get it--- "FIELDS ARE NOWHERE, NOWAY, NO-FUCKING-HOW EXPLAINED EVEN 1% BY ANY BRANCH OF THE CULT OF QUANTUM"
Quantum::::: A sick RELIGION based upon Einsteins "wave-particle duality" bullshit that doesnt even explain 1% of Cosmic mechanics, which are FIELDS
"All literature on this subject
(relativity) is futile and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the existence of the Ether and the indispensable function it plays in the phenomena (of gravity, etc.)"
– N. Tesla
Oh come on, MarkE, ask him something _hard_. Let him show predictions of some physical parameters with the accuracy of QED's predictions of those quantities.
QuoteQuantum electrodynamics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_electrodynamics) (QED), a relativistic quantum field theory of electrodynamics, is among the most stringently tested theories in physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics).
The most precise and specific tests of QED consist of measurements of the electromagnetic fine structure constant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_structure_constant), α, in various physical systems. Checking the consistency of such measurements tests the theory.
Tests of a theory are normally carried out by comparing experimental results to theoretical predictions. In QED, there is some subtlety in this comparison, because theoretical predictions require as input an extremely precise value of α, which can only be obtained from another precision QED experiment. Because of this, the comparisons between theory and experiment are usually quoted as independent determinations of α. QED is then confirmed to the extent that these measurements of α from different physical sources agree with each other.
The agreement found this way is to within ten parts in a billion (10−8), based on the comparison of the electron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron) anomalous magnetic dipole moment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomalous_magnetic_dipole_moment) and the Rydberg constant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rydberg_constant) from atom recoil measurements as described below. This makes QED one of the most accurate physical theories constructed thus far.
Besides these independent measurements of the fine-structure constant, many other predictions of QED have been tested as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_tests_of_QED
Of course all those tests are carried out and published by idiots, aren't they? And the people who believe in those idiots and their idiotic theories, who design computers that work, who design things like FLIR cameras, who design airplanes and the computers and software that fly them, who design cellphones and global positioning satellites and robotic spacecraft missions to Titan and Pluto ... they are all idiots too. How do we know this? Why, because some silly internet plagiarist poser _says they are_.
Cue another string of gobbledegook and pottymouth eight-year-old child's invective from you-know-who:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_electron_microscopy
Where's the conductive metal coating?
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 12, 2015, 04:35:06 AM
, a relativistic quantum field
I love it when shit is piled on top of shit that was NEVER explained to begin with.
QUANTUM::::
1. Never explains a field.
2. PILES ON TOP of "field" by another fuck-nothing lexicon with: """"relativistic quantum field"""""
Haaaaaa!!! Oh my fucking god, im going to piss myself!!!
Quantum = virtual particles (for which not ONE iota of proof exists)
Field = The term "Quantum BS" has never ever ever EVER at ANY time EVER defined, explained or denotated!!
Put the two together and you get "QUANTUM FIELD" !!
A double "fuck you" which totals to = NOTHING WHATSOEVER ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 12, 2015, 04:37:14 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_electron_microscopy
Where's the conductive metal coating?
TEM is capacitance charged coupling reflectance imaging
;D
Thanks for feeding support. its wonderful when some idiot posts something in opposition which in fact only validates the other's logical prior!
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 12, 2015, 04:35:06 AM
Quantum electrodynamics (QED), a relativistic quantum field theory of electrodynamics, is among the most stringently tested theories in physics.
The most precise and specific tests of QED consist of measurements of the electromagnetic fine structure constant, α, in various physical systems. Checking the consistency of such measurements tests the theory.
Tests of a theory are normally carried out by comparing experimental results to theoretical predictions. In QED, there is some subtlety in this comparison, because theoretical predictions require as input an extremely precise value of α, which can only be obtained from another precision QED experiment. Because of this, the comparisons between theory and experiment are usually quoted as independent determinations of α. QED is then confirmed to the extent that these measurements of α from different physical sources agree with each other.
The agreement found this way is to within ten parts in a billion (10−8), based on the comparison of the electron anomalous magnetic dipole moment and the Rydberg constant from atom recoil measurements as described below. This makes QED one of the most accurate physical theories constructed thus far.
Besides these independent measurements of the fine-structure constant, many other predictions of QED have been tested as well.
I love that FUCK quote from Wikipedia!!!
Of course if you ACTUALLY READ IT, youll see it NOWHERE, NOWAY explains what a FIELD is
idiot asshole ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 12, 2015, 04:37:14 AM
This makes QED one of the most accurate physical theories constructed thus far.
LETS examine that fucking BULLSHIT CLAIM!!!
the very book itself
QED , STRANGE THEORY OF LIGHT AND MATTER by the mental midget Feynman (anti-christ to logic and common sense)
That Feynman and others have declared (as he has done in his mystical book:
QED strange theory of light and matter) that magnetism is mediated by "virtual photons" is no different than the Pope declaring mother Marry as healing a sick child from a pendant worn at the neck. Humanity has placed, as dept. chairs in countless universities and likewise, heads of mathematics and physics, people who are quite literally insane, are deep thinkers, but insane ones. The insane asylums of the world are full of genuinely deep thinkers, however it is not for sake of deep thinking they are locked up and away from others! So, taking a cue from Quantum mysticism we then ask the expert (fool) relativist "since you declare magnetism to be mediated by 'virtual photons', what is same?".
Answer received? Yes, here we have it: "A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out". Well, insanity has been reified, at last!"
- QEDOk, that makes sense!!! (in a parallel universe where insanity = sanity) :o ;D ;D
QED PRIEST says:::: "when common sense fails (to explain things rationally), uncommon sense must be created"
L. Susskind. QED PRIEST says:::: "Where common sense and intuition failed, we (the insane relativists) had to create a new form of intuition based upon abstract (unreal) mathematics. When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense." -
Leonard Susskind, professor theoretical physics, and priest of the cult of Quantum
QED PRIEST says:::: "Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real."
– N. BohrQED PRIEST says:::: "The more you see how strange nature behaves, the harder it is for us to make a model that explains even the how the most simple phenomena works. Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit."
– R. FeynmanHaaaa!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Translation : "Insanity and illogical BS is actually logical !!!"
The two greatest sins committed in so-called science in the past hundred years are convincing the ignorant many folk to believe that:
1. Space and time are genuine entities rather than conceptions and attributal abstractions; and that they mediate action at a distance and are the medium or field itself.
2. The fantastical invention of virtual particles, and massless beads that mediate gravity, light EM, and magnetism. Such nonsense offends the mind of even a drunkard and a child. Concepts and non-existent particles have no place in the mechanics of the cosmos or of rational physics.
Again::::: ------- "how nature behaves..............Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit."
– R. FeynmanWHAT THE FUCK?????
"how nature behaves..............Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit."
– R. FeynmanYEAH, he said that ;D ;D ;D :o
Below: The absolute demented insanity of R. Feynman as to the mechanics of magnetism, ala 'virtual photons' and QED. This vile filth not only has a cult following but actually passes in and through the circles of presumed 'educated academia'. Such radical insanity is both absurd, laughable, and puts the trash produced by cults to shame in the arena of unbelievable nonsense. Such pathetic trash presses the credulity of even little children who put more faith in their imaginary friends that such nonsense.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 04:24:55 AM
it DOESNT explain same at ALL.
I said it accounts for the behaviors. It predicts the behaviors very accurately. If you have an example that disputes that, then show that example and we can discuss it.
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Unless you think Unicorns are an explanation, Errrr, i meant 'virtual particles'.
Replace it with what is both LOGICAL , RATIONAL, and the premise of Tesla, Steinmetz, Faraday, JC Maxwell???
YES, Absofuckinglutely.
You keep saying that. Please show how classical E/M can for example explain the observations of Hertz' P/E experiments? How systems governed by continuous, linear differential equations exhibit step-wise behaviors?
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FALLACY HELL 101 ;D ;D ;D
"electron microscopes" WORK, yet have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with showering targets with particles/electrons
An EXPERIMENT is one thing
An (accurate) EXPLANATION is another thing. ;D
I see you havent learned that yet.
Hurling insults at me does not impress me.
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The 'electron microscope' lie
"Because the SEM (scanning electron microscope) utilizes vacuum conditions and uses 'electrons' to form an image, special preparations must be applied to the sample. All water must be removed from the samples because the water would vaporize in the vacuum. All metals are conductive and require no preparation before being used. All non-metals need to be made conductive by covering the sample with a thin layer of conductive material. This is done by using a device called a "sputter coater". The sputter coater uses an electric field and argon gas. The sample is placed in a small chamber that is at a vacuum. Argon gas and an electric field cause an 'electron' to be removed from the argon, making the atoms positively charged. The argon ions then become attracted to a negatively charged gold foil. The argon ions knock gold atoms from the surface of the gold foil. These gold atoms fall and settle onto the surface of the sample producing a thin gold coating "
Only conductive (metal) samples are suitable for "electron" microscopy untreated, all other samples are metal treated to prevent them from burning up in the intense dielectric beam. The resulting image is therefore of the metal coating or stain and not the original sample! Never believe a relativist telling you he's "shooting his electron gun". A metal dielectric reflector of a once living organism is not the original sample nor are there electrons scanning it. This device in reality is a dielectric scanning reflector, which produces fine images as only reflected off metal surfaces. The very focusing beams of these microscope are constrictor "lenses" of dielectric flux lines.
That sounds like you are trying to sell Eric Dollard's "dielectricity". I've never seen any convincing experiments that establish Dollard's ideas over convention electromagnetics.
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QUANTUM bullshit has never even defined a FIELD ;D ;D ;D ;D
Not even ATTEMPTED to do same.
The entire mechanics of the cosmos, 100 FUCKING %, is FIELD or FIELD modalities and PARTICLE FREE
Repeat this until you get it ---"FIELDS ARE NOT PARTICLES"
Repeat this until you get it--- "FIELDS DONT HAVE SHIT TO DO WITH PARTICLES"
Repeat this until you get it--- "FIELDS ARE PARTICLE-FREE INERTIA AND FORCE VECTORS, and 100% OF COSMIC MECHANICS"
Repeat this until you get it--- "FIELDS ARE NOWHERE, NOWAY, NO-FUCKING-HOW EXPLAINED EVEN 1% BY ANY BRANCH OF THE CULT OF QUANTUM"
Quantum::::: A sick RELIGION based upon Einsteins "wave-particle duality" bullshit that doesnt even explain 1% of Cosmic mechanics, which are FIELDS
"All literature on this subject (relativity) is futile and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the existence of the Ether and the indispensable function it plays in the phenomena (of gravity, etc.)" – N. Tesla
Again, if you've got a theory that can clear the three hurdles, then let's take them one at a time.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 04:42:07 AM
TEM is capacitance charged coupling reflectance imaging
;D
Thanks for feeding support. its wonderful when some idiot posts something in opposition which in fact only validates the other's logical prior!
Why do you say that TEM is "reflectance imaging"? In TEM is not the imaging device on the far side of the sample from the illuminating energy source? What reflects to get to the imaging device?
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 05:05:52 AM
I said it accounts for the behaviors. It predicts the behaviors very accurately.
Hyperbolic fallacy,....... I can say "insanity accounts for insane behavior"
MEANINGLESS ;D ;D
Predicts WHAT? It cannot even predict particle free action at a distance!!!!
The Cult of Quantum even ADMITS THIS FACT :o ;D ;D ;D
Next!!
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 05:05:52 AM
trying to sell Eric Dollard's "dielectricity"
Are you honestly fucking DEMENTED??????
Electrostatics, ie dielectricity is the CORNERSTONE OF:::::
FARADAY
STEINMETZ
O. HEAVISIDE
JC MAXWELL
TESLA
Holy shit, I cant believe you even said something that pathetic.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 05:11:49 AM
What reflects to get to the imaging device?
Youre too literal, ;D ;D
discharge 'reflectance'
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 05:05:52 AM
Please show how classical E/M can for example explain the observations of Hertz' P/E experiments.
I said JUST the opposite, the "photoelectric effect" is governed by dielectric pulses, greater the frequency, higher the power transfer.
I never said EM was AT ALL responsible for the PE "effect" , JUST THE OPPOSITE.
All EM is exactly like a Coaxial cable, analogously.
Magnetic lines of induction cannot terminate in space nor can dielectric ones. The radial axle of the geometry of light is absolutely necessitated, it cannot exist in any other way, and certainly not the "self-conjugating and self-capacitance" conceptions as currently exist about electromagnetism. The claim that EM is "self-conjugating and inducing self-capacitance" is to claim your car engine pistons are reciprocating upon nothing, no crankshaft of mutual inductive rebounding reciprocation. This is both illogical and impossible. Countless phenomena, including the so-called "photo-electric" (really the radial-dielectric) effect proves this to be the case. As mentioned before, electricity can only induce or terminate into or as magnetism thru dielectricity.
Light, correctly, does not travel at all, rather the pistons of electrical and magnetic vortices circumambulate around the dielectric crankshaft of disturbance and radially ripple and travel the cosmos is the premise for the false observation that light travels, when in fact only divergences (electrical and magnetic) are manifest and propagate. The Z-axis radial dielectric 'core' of all light neither travels nor has empirical quantity, only its modal attributions of magnetic and electrical divergences do. Logically and necessitatively so.
From New York Times April 8, 1934 Section X, p. 9
Tesla sees evidence radio and light are sound (-like)
*I only recently discovered this passage (post 3rd edition of this book) below from Tesla, which in conclusion, is support for my discovery that light's missing secret that it is not transverse electromagnetism, NOR could it 'self-propagating' EM; this is impossible. Light has, necessitatively, a radial dielectric component. Parenthesis are mine.
"There is something frightening about the universe when we consider that only our senses of sound and sight make it beautiful. The universe is darker than the darkest ink, colder than the coldest ice and more silent than a silent tomb. Sight and sound are our only avenues through which we can perceive it all...there is a third sense which have failed to discover."
"The fascination of the (false) electromagnetic theory of light, advanced by Maxwell and subsequently experimentally investigated by Hertz, was so great that even now, although controverted, the (idiot) scientific minds are under its sway. This theory supposed the existence of a medium which was solid yet permitted bodies to pass through it without resistance; (this absurdity is) tenuous behind conception, and yet according to out conceptions of mechanical principles and ages of experience, such a medium was absolutely impossible. Light was (wrongly) considered such a phenomena bound up in that kind of medium, namely transmitting transverse vibrations like a solid."
"What then can light be if NOT a transverse vibration(s)? I consider this extremely important. Light cannot be anything but a longitudinal (Z-axis radial!) disturbance in the Ether, involving alternate compressions and rarefactions. Light can be nothing else (phenomenally so) than a sound wave in the Ether."
"This appears clearly, if it is first realized that there is no Maxwellian Ether, therefore there can be no transverse oscillation in the medium. The Newtonian theory is in error, because it fails entirely in not being able to explain how a small candle can project (light) with the same speed at the blazing sun, which has immensely higher temperatures (and power). We have made sure by experiment that light propagates with the same velocity irrespective of the character of the source! Such consistency of velocity can only be explained by assuming that it is dependent solely on the 'physical' properties of the (Ether) medium, especially its density and its elastic (potential of) force." – Nikola Tesla
There are two ways to deliver identical amounts kinetic energy in TEM of dielectric radiation to a target, a large volume of coherent radiation as in a laser, or a small volume of incoherent radiation of a short wavelength (gamma, X-ray) comprising a center-axial with an extremely high kinetic radial energy capacitance.
BELOW: Exactly like a power drill, the more revolutions per second, or in the case of light, the shorter the wavelength, the more power is brought to bear in the coaxial system. Drill bit, or light, same analogy, increase in power, increase in revolutions (= shorter wavelength). Draw more power to the drill to increase physical power to the bit to drill thru tougher more dense materials is the same with "electromagnetism", which is why X-rays, gamma rays etc. 'drill' right thru dense matter, transfer power and can cause immense damage. The magnetic component of traditional "electromagnetic" geometry cannot affect damage or power at shorter wavelengths, nor can its reciprocating transverse electrical component; only the coherent dielectric radial component can. The nonsense of "wave-particle duality" is dismissed and replaced with logic and rationality in the true model of dielectro-electromagnetic phenomena. In the diagram below you will need to see this along all 3 axes, Z-axis dielectric, X-axis electrical, and Y-axis magnetic. For illustration purposes the X and Y are laid flat in 2D for illustration purposes, otherwise the Y-axis magnetic would overlay the Z-axis and make the diagram unclear.
Below: Shorter wavelength light contains higher dielectric capacitance, and likewise are more kinetic in their energy transfer. On right, shorter wavelength light is deflected more due to the rate at which the induction can occur in the medium of transmission, thru the dielectric capacitor (or 'insulator', i.e. glass etc.).
I can not understand why is so hard for some of you to accept the actual science is full of relative truths, of axioms, of hypothesis, of unrelated constants, of a lot of garbage concepts, just to fit in a so-called scientific model? I suppose because you never tried to understand the foundations of current scientific concepts, but blindly repeat and replicate what they are told. Just a matter of laziness and comfort. And how much energy consumed just for the sake of exacerbate vanity. False values, false development false results!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 05:52:35 AM
I said JUST the opposite, the "photoelectric effect" is governed by dielectric pulses, greater the frequency, higher the power transfer.
I never said EM was AT ALL responsible for the PE "effect" , JUST THE OPPOSITE.
All EM is exactly like a Coaxial cable, analogously.
Unfortunately, that leaves your hypothesis unable to correctly predict the P/E effect. No matter how unsatisfying you find QM and QED it accurately predicts the P/E effect.
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Magnetic lines of induction cannot terminate in space nor can dielectric ones. The radial axle of the geometry of light is absolutely necessitated, it cannot exist in any other way, and certainly not the "self-conjugating and self-capacitance" conceptions as currently exist about electromagnetism. The claim that EM is "self-conjugating and inducing self-capacitance" is to claim your car engine pistons are reciprocating upon nothing, no crankshaft of mutual inductive rebounding reciprocation. This is both illogical and impossible. Countless phenomena, including the so-called "photo-electric" (really the radial-dielectric) effect proves this to be the case. As mentioned before, electricity can only induce or terminate into or as magnetism thru dielectricity.
Those are all nice assertions, but the problem is that you are: A) Arguing against claims I don't make, and B) Making a series of assertions that as far as I can tell fail to address the observed photo electric effect. Your ideas need to account for the observation that below certain frequencies we do not see any emission, and for a given material at and abovie a given frequency we see copious emission. IE we observe emission responds in a step-wise, not linear fashion.
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Light, correctly, does not travel at all, rather the pistons of electrical and magnetic vortices circumambulate around the dielectric crankshaft of disturbance and radially ripple and travel the cosmos is the premise for the false observation that light travels, when in fact only divergences (electrical and magnetic) are manifest and propagate. The Z-axis radial dielectric 'core' of all light neither travels nor has empirical quantity, only its modal attributions of magnetic and electrical divergences do. Logically and necessitatively so.
This is more assertion. Where are the experiments that establish "pistons of electrical and magnetic vortices"? Likewise where are the experiments that establish such "pistons" "circumambulate", or any of the other colorful assertions here?
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From New York Times April 8, 1934 Section X, p. 9
Tesla sees evidence radio and light are sound (-like)
*I only recently discovered this passage (post 3rd edition of this book) below from Tesla, which in conclusion, is support for my discovery that light's missing secret that it is not transverse electromagnetism, NOR could it 'self-propagating' EM; this is impossible. Light has, necessitatively, a radial dielectric component. Parenthesis are mine.
First, Maxwell's equations establish conditions under which two orthogonal fields can propagate without a transmission media. So, at least from a mathematical perspective the claim that transverse propagation without media is impossible has been disproven for over 150 years now. You may wish to put forward the argument that E/M radiation is not an example of such a phenomenon: that it actually does require a media: IE the lumineferous aether. But to do so successfully, you have a lot to overcome. You would for example need to be able to explain why it is working from Maxwell's equations that we can accurately solve wave propagation in many different and complex media with very accurate measurement correlation from DC to THz.
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"There is something frightening about the universe when we consider that only our senses of sound and sight make it beautiful. The universe is darker than the darkest ink, colder than the coldest ice and more silent than a silent tomb. Sight and sound are our only avenues through which we can perceive it all...there is a third sense which have failed to discover."
"The fascination of the (false) electromagnetic theory of light, advanced by Maxwell and subsequently experimentally investigated by Hertz, was so great that even now, although controverted, the (idiot) scientific minds are under its sway. This theory supposed the existence of a medium which was solid yet permitted bodies to pass through it without resistance; (this absurdity is) tenuous behind conception, and yet according to out conceptions of mechanical principles and ages of experience, such a medium was absolutely impossible. Light was (wrongly) considered such a phenomena bound up in that kind of medium, namely transmitting transverse vibrations like a solid."
"What then can light be if NOT a transverse vibration(s)? I consider this extremely important. Light cannot be anything but a longitudinal (Z-axis radial!) disturbance in the Ether, involving alternate compressions and rarefactions. Light can be nothing else (phenomenally so) than a sound wave in the Ether."
The problem here is that we have lots of experiments that show transverse behavior in the far field, not longitudal.
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"This appears clearly, if it is first realized that there is no Maxwellian Ether, therefore there can be no transverse oscillation in the medium. The Newtonian theory is in error, because it fails entirely in not being able to explain how a small candle can project (light) with the same speed at the blazing sun, which has immensely higher temperatures (and power). We have made sure by experiment that light propagates with the same velocity irrespective of the character of the source! Such consistency of velocity can only be explained by assuming that it is dependent solely on the 'physical' properties of the (Ether) medium, especially its density and its elastic (potential of) force." – Nikola Tesla
Maxwell's equations allow for self-supporting propagation of two orthogonal fields that oscillate transverse to the direction of propagation, provided the propagation velocity is the right value. Low and behold measurements of the speed of light in a vacuum come out to that value. The "Hertzian waves" that Tesla so vehemently objected to correctly predict behaviors over frequency ranges and to accuracies that Tesla could have only dreamed about in his day. While Tesla stands out as one of the great engineers of the modern era, he was a genius engineer. He was not a scientist.
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There are two ways to deliver identical amounts kinetic energy in TEM of dielectric radiation to a target, a large volume of coherent radiation as in a laser, or a small volume of incoherent radiation of a short wavelength (gamma, X-ray) comprising a center-axial with an extremely high kinetic radial energy capacitance.
This is something you assert. Can you show reasonable proof that these assertions are true?
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BELOW: Exactly like a power drill, the more revolutions per second, or in the case of light, the shorter the wavelength, the more power is brought to bear in the coaxial system. Drill bit, or light, same analogy, increase in power, increase in revolutions (= shorter wavelength). Draw more power to the drill to increase physical power to the bit to drill thru tougher more dense materials is the same with "electromagnetism", which is why X-rays, gamma rays etc. 'drill' right thru dense matter, transfer power and can cause immense damage. The magnetic component of traditional "electromagnetic" geometry cannot affect damage or power at shorter wavelengths, nor can its reciprocating transverse electrical component; only the coherent dielectric radial component can. The nonsense of "wave-particle duality" is dismissed and replaced with logic and rationality in the true model of dielectro-electromagnetic phenomena. In the diagram below you will need to see this along all 3 axes, Z-axis dielectric, X-axis electrical, and Y-axis magnetic. For illustration purposes the X and Y are laid flat in 2D for illustration purposes, otherwise the Y-axis magnetic would overlay the Z-axis and make the diagram unclear.
Well a problem I see right off hand with those assertions is that different materials exhibit resonances at different frequencies. So while power goes up with frequency, we see absorption responses that are very non-linear with frequency near the material resonance. That's rather convenient, because it makes microwave ovens possible. There is today a company that is trying to leverage the resonant frequency of oxygen molecules in very high speed connectors.
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Below: Shorter wavelength light contains higher dielectric capacitance, and likewise are more kinetic in their energy transfer. On right, shorter wavelength light is deflected more due to the rate at which the induction can occur in the medium of transmission, thru the dielectric capacitor (or 'insulator', i.e. glass etc.).
Terms like "higher dielectric capacitance" will have to be defined. In the world I live in: capacitance is the permittivity of a dielectric divided by thickness of the dielectric integrated over the area of the dielectric. Where I come from: E/M waves slow down as they travel through dielectrics with greater permittivities. So if you would please be so kind: Tell me what "dielectric capacitance" is that it can be a property of E/M energy, and not of the media that E/M energy passes through.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:52:29 AM
No matter how unsatisfying you find QM and QED it accurately predicts the P/E effect.
Nice fucking claim, ;D ;D ;D ;D it does NO such thing, NOR is there any proof of same.
QM has never defined a FIELD..........NEVER
QM is based upon non-existant "virtual particles" for which there is ZERO fucking evidence.
So, dead wrong
100 fucking %Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:52:29 AM
Likewise where are the experiments that establish such "pistons" "circumambulate", or any of the other colorful assertions here?
Try reading Oliver Heaviside, however Id be shocked if you even knew who he was. ;D
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:52:29 AM
Low and behold measurements of the speed of light in a vacuum come out to that value.
Low and behold, youre full of shit. ;D
"The electric field can only 'soak into the medium' at the rate defined by that medium.
Light can only travel at luminal velocity as defined by the dielectric medium and its dimensional relation of one over c square, a
numeric constant. Light is not a material projection, it is an inductive process, a process of the Ether".
Light is only a limit to transverse EM, its not a max, NOR is it fixed, the speed of change depends on the medium of transmission.
You, are both unwise and unstudied.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:52:29 AM
Terms like "higher dielectric capacitance" will have to be defined
Stick a copper rod in your dick, and lay down on TOP of a hill in a LIGHTNING STORM...
report back to us as to the "Definition" of same. ;D ;D
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:52:29 AM
In the world I live in: capacitance is the permittivity of a dielectric divided by thickness of the dielectric integrated over the area of the dielectric.
In the delusional world you live in,..... there is 0 comprehension of
magnetic permeability
Harf harf harf ;D ;D
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:52:29 AM
Tell me what "dielectric capacitance" is that it can be a property of E/M energy
I See you have a sick brain fart in tying dielectrics/electrostatics WITH and DIRECTLY-TO electromagnetism
I see your sickness, .......suggest you correct it at your discretion. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 05:45:14 AM
Hyperbolic fallacy,....... I can say "insanity accounts for insane behavior"
MEANINGLESS ;D ;D
Predicts WHAT? It cannot even predict particle free action at a distance!!!!
Pick an electromagnetics problem, virtually any electromagnetics problem and by applying current theory we can crunch out an answer that when we go into the lab and perorm measurements predicts those measurement results accurately. It is not post hoc.
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The Cult of Quantum even ADMITS THIS FACT :o ;D ;D ;D
Next!!
Are you honestly fucking DEMENTED??????
Electrostatics, ie dielectricity is the CORNERSTONE OF:::::
FARADAY
STEINMETZ
O. HEAVISIDE
JC MAXWELL
TESLA
Holy shit, I cant believe you even said something that pathetic.
Appeal to authority, and ad hom attacks do not make strong arguments.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 06:55:47 AM
Nice fucking claim, ;D ;D ;D ;D it does NO such thing, NOR is there any proof of same.
There are a lot of people who have been manufacturing semiconductors for the past 50 years who disagree.
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QM has never defined a FIELD..........NEVER
QM is based upon non-existant "virtual particles" for which there is ZERO fucking evidence.
So, dead wrong 100 fucking %
Try reading Oliver Heaviside, however Id be shocked if you even knew who he was. ;D
Heavyside predated QM.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:57:32 AM
Pick an electromagnetics problem, virtually any electromagnetics problem and by applying current theory we can crunch out an answer that when we go into the lab and perorm measurements predicts those measurement results accurately.
Transverse EM has never and at anytime explained the PE effect.
Never.
Ad hominem doesnt diminish your statements as unqualified bullshit.
I may call shit, shit, but it nevertheless stands that regardless of the name given, its still SHIT ;D ;D
electromagnetic dont answer ANY experiments in longitudinal superluminal transmissions
How now, asshole. ;D ;D
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:57:32 AM
Appeal to authority,
When it comes to electrical theory, those men ARE the authority.
In formal debates, there are only experts and novices, and those men are the experts.
You asked a SHIT question about electrostatics in relation to Dollard......., and I forthwit pissed on your skull pointing out the fact that ALL the great men of electrical theory speak MUCH about same.
Steinmetz,
Faraday
Tesla
Maxwell
Heaviside
But I therefore assume you know something they didnt.
Tell us another long yarn.
Dielectricity is a radial force, magnetism is a circumferential force, electricity is a spherical centripetal force, likewise the Ether itself
is the omnipresent 'point-force' of which magnitude cannot and does not apply. All forces are vortex /curvilinear in nature.
Light through a dielectric medium is the square root of the inverse of the change of capacitance as mediated thru the dielectric medium
of propagation. Therefore capacitance is a directional relationship with the luminal velocity of light in any medium of propagation. If
there is 0 capacitance there is, of course, infinite speed.
The product of the magnetic permeability, Mu, and the dielectric permittivity, Epsilon, is 1/Csquared. This forms the basis of
electromagnetic wave propagation thru the Ether, this transverse dielectro-electromagnetism bounded coaxial formation. The product
Mu – Epsilon is the metrical relation of the Ether, which is the carrier of light.
BELOW: All manner of light phenomena can be explained by the D.E.M (dielectro-electromagnetic) circuit of light.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 07:01:22 AM
There are a lot of people who have been manufacturing semiconductors for the past 50 years who disagree.
I see you still suffer the mental sickness that production of X is confirmation of an INVALID premise for the operation of X.
False supposition.
further, you have NO idea what dielectric capacitance is. ;D
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 07:01:22 AM
Heavyside predated QM.
Yes son, sanity PREDATED insanity (QM and GR bullshit)
thanks for the obvious.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 07:18:15 AM
Transverse EM has never and at anytime explained the PE effect.
That's right, classical E/M does not by itself account for the P/E effect, you need something like QM for that. However I am not aware of any treatment that shows that either the idea of scalar E/M waves or longitudal E/M waves account for the P/E effect.
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Never.
Ad hominem doesnt diminish your statements as unqualified bullshit.
That's more assertion without argument.
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I may call shit, shit, but it nevertheless stands that regardless of the name given, its still SHIT ;D ;D
You can assert all you want. Absent a compelling argument, it is just empty assertion.
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electromagnetic dont answer ANY experiments in longitudinal superluminal transmissions
How now, asshole. ;D ;D
Hurling insults doesn't establish an argument either.
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When it comes to electrical theory, those men ARE the authority.
Argument from authority is a logical fallacy.
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In formal debates, there are only experts and novices, and those men are the experts.
They aren't offering argument. You are.
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You asked a SHIT question about electrostatics in relation to Dollard......., and I forthwit pissed on your skull pointing out the fact that ALL the great men of electrical theory speak MUCH about same.
Steinmetz,
Faraday
Tesla
Maxwell
Heaviside
Am I take it then that you are not prepared to respond to my question with something more substantial than insults?
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But I therefore assume you know something they didnt.
Tell us another long yarn.
Dielectricity is a radial force, magnetism is a circumferential force, electricity is a spherical centripetal force, likewise the Ether itself
is the omnipresent 'point-force' of which magnitude cannot and does not apply. All forces are vortex /curvilinear in nature.
Applying those assertions, kindly describe the mechanics of a pulse travellng down a simple microstrip transmission line.
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Light through a dielectric medium is the square root of the inverse of the change of capacitance as mediated thru the dielectric medium
of propagation. Therefore capacitance is a directional relationship with the luminal velocity of light in any medium of propagation. If
there is 0 capacitance there is, of course, infinite speed.
Applying those assertions, kindly describe the mechanics of a simple 5" x 5" two layer circuit board that is 0.062" thick with solid copper on each side, and a homogenous eR of 4.0 to which we attach a pulse generator that has a 50ps rise time with the signal pin on the bottom layer and the grounds on the top layer. Using those same assertions, describe the same mechanics for the same geometry, except this time make the board 0.010" thick.
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The product of the magnetic permeability, Mu, and the dielectric permittivity, Epsilon, is 1/Csquared. This forms the basis of
electromagnetic wave propagation thru the Ether, this transverse dielectro-electromagnetism bounded coaxial formation. The product
Mu – Epsilon is the metrical relation of the Ether, which is the carrier of light.
So is it your assertion that e0*eR*u0*uR = 1/c
2? Using that assertion, what will the transit time be for a pulse through a material with uR = 1.0, eR = 4.0 that is 10" long?
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BELOW: All manner of light phenomena can be explained by the D.E.M (dielectro-electromagnetic) circuit of light.
That is an assertion. I would like to see proof of the assertion.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 07:21:25 AM
I see you still suffer the mental sickness that production of X is confirmation of an INVALID premise for the operation of X.
False supposition.
No, I noted that in the 50 years that we have been making semiconductors and rapidly advancing that technology each year that the QED used extensively within that industry keeps yielding correct predictions. If QED is as fundamentally wrong as you claim then we should expect that the predictions it makes would have started diverging from observations long ago. Now it is possible that it is analagous to Ptolemy's epicycles and that we just keep piling complexity onto it to generate the right answers. For a better, more elegant theory to replace it, the theory has to clear the three hurdles: 1) QED must be shown to make erroneous predictions under some circumstance, 2) The improved theory must make correct predictions under the same circumstance, and 3) The improved theory must make correct predictions under all the cases that QED is known to make correct predictions.
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further, you have NO idea what dielectric capacitance is. ;D
I asked you for your definition.
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Yes son, sanity PREDATED insanity (QM and GR bullshit)
thanks for the obvious.
The point is that Heavyside was unaware of the P/E effect.
Thers just one small problem.kill Quantum and you kill the whole mystery vibe of science altogether.sciencewill become boring if everything now becomes 'predictable'.let science remain art I say
Kill quantum and it might detriment science.quantum 'bullshit'ideology gives space for the human mind to 'play' ie.anythings possible.a non-quantum world will be so rigidly structured that it might fuck the human mind ie: 'but it must be like this damit,yet it isn't!' Ironicly it is because of quantum politics that many men are open to our good friend: mr overunity.this is where we thank einstein and his 'relativistic everythings a fucking illusion' imagination.einstein left a gap for overunity politics to emerge.in short,quantum uncertainty principle caters to human emotion at the same time giving space to human logic
How does it come, that while Tesla's ability for detailed, exact description and lack of secrecy which we see in his written works, not even one describes "vortex" in magnets, while always only mentioning the principle of the rotating magnetic field as he describes his induction, alternating current, brushless, commutator-less machines?
In short: isn't strange that Tesla does not give the description of his idea of the rotating magnetic field as the "vortex" in magnets?
Answer is simple: he means exactly what he describes when mentioning "the principle of the rotating magnetic field".
Quote from: Qwert on February 12, 2015, 12:49:42 PM
How does it come, that while Tesla's ability for detailed, exact description and lack of secrecy which we see in his written works, not even one describes "vortex" in magnets, while always only mentioning the principle of the rotating magnetic field as he describes his induction, alternating current, brushless, commutator-less machines?
In short: isn't strange that Tesla does not give the description of his idea of the rotating magnetic field as the "vortex" in magnets?
Historical editing ?
Regards...
Quantum motto: you can't know everything even when you know everything
Quote from: Qwert on February 12, 2015, 12:49:42 PM
Tesla's ability for detailed, exact description and lack of secrecy which we see in his written works, not even one describes "vortex" in magnets
actually he DOES, he had 2 quotes ive found speaking about "vortices.......in the rotating magnetic fields"
Quote from: profitis on February 12, 2015, 11:00:11 AM
sciencewill become boring if everything now becomes 'predictable'.let science remain art I say
you miss a GIANT FUCKING SECRET OF QUANTUM
they get huge $$$$ grants to look for non-existent "unicorn particles"
How the fuck did you think these goddamn idiots get PAID? They convince SHEEP to fund huge $$$$$ for research looking for "negative momentum gravity particles" (no joke!! ;D ;D ) and other insane FAIRYLAND horseshit.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
Heavyside was unaware of the P/E effect.
you miss the point idiot.
Heaviside in his electrical papers Vol1 speaks about the power carrying pulse which is directly proportional to the frequency of the transverse E and M.
the so-called "PE EFFECT" coming later does NOT mean that the PRINCIPLE OF SAME was already known, idiot.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
QED used extensively within that industry keeps yielding correct predictions.
You really are that fucking stupid apparently.
Correct electrical system predictions are and ARE BEING made based upon the bullshit that "electrons are flowing thru wires"
I CAN make 100% correct predictions about fluid dynamics based upon the premise that subatomic unicorns mediate pressure and flow.
The correct QUALIFICATION and PREDICTION of phenomena has NOT ONE FUCKING thing to do with a CORRECT EXPLANATION of said phenomena
Youre a mental defect. ;D ;D
Theoria: 'They convince SHEEP to fund huge $$$$$ for research looking
for "negative momentum gravity particles" (no joke!! ;D ;D )
and other insane FAIRYLAND horseshit.'
Me: I know I know,but would this really change in a non-quantum world? I doubt it
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 09:03:43 AM
That is an assertion. I would like to see proof of the assertion.
ALL of QM and GR is an unsubstantiated ASSERTION with 0% evidence.
QM and GR have never ---------- defined or explained a FIELD
QM and GR have never ----------explained IAAD (instant action at a distance)
QM and GR have never ----------defined even 1% of Cosmic mechanics, ala PARTICLE FREE magnetic reciprocation.
QM and GR does not EXIST outside a bubble particles and unicorn-particles for which NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER EXISTS
QM and GR are no diff. than a sick religion based upon shit NEVER OBSERVED. ;D ;D
That you IGNORE this fact, is proof of your enormous mental defect.
Lets HEAR from your goddamn PRIESTS of GR and QM!! ;D
QED PRIEST says:::: "when common sense fails (to explain things rationally), uncommon sense must be created"----- L. Susskind.
QED PRIEST says:::: "Where common sense and intuition failed, we (the insane relativists) had to create a new form of intuition based upon abstract (unreal) mathematics. When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense." -------Leonard Susskind, professor theoretical physics, and priest of the cult of Quantum
QED PRIEST says:::: "Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real." –------ N. Bohr
QED PRIEST says:::: "The more you see how strange nature behaves, the harder it is for us to make a model that explains even the how the most simple phenomena works. Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit." ----– R. Feynman
Haaaa!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Translation : "Insanity and illogical BS is actually logical !!!"
Again::::: -------
"how nature behaves..............Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit." --------– R. FeynmanBELOW: bohr, einstein, planck, gamow, heisenberg, shrodinger
These SIX SICK FUCKS are your priests who sat around dreaming up ....warped space bullshit
gravity particles
virtual particles
etc etc.
Its 100% PURE goddamn GREEK ATOMISM
Space is NEITHER a FORCE, NOR a FIELD, it does nothing, and cannot ACT on anything.
.....however ALL of GR and QM reifies space as "something that does and acts on things"
Tesla called this brain fart "rank nonsense"
Theoria:Space is NEITHER a FORCE, NOR a FIELD, it does nothing, and
cannot ACT on anything'
Me: aha but without a nothing a something cannot be perceived,exist.without a something a nothing cannot be perceived,exist.relativity sticks
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 02:18:46 PM
actually he DOES, he had 2 quotes ive found speaking about "vortices.......in the rotating magnetic fields"
May we know the reference?
Quote from: profitis on February 12, 2015, 02:54:14 PM
Me: aha but without a nothing a something cannot be perceived,exist.without a something a nothing cannot be perceived,exist.relativity sticks
Greeks defined that fallacy ages ago.
Absence cannot be reified. ;D
Youve reified a SHADOW (space) as giving the parameter of projective geometry (inertia) to Geometry itself (spatial phenomena).
However the FORMER (inertia) affects the LATER (space) ;D
NEVER THE INVERSE
Light is necessary to define a shadow, not the inverse
superficially this seems splitting hairs, however its ultimately of supreme importance.
Quote from: profitis on February 12, 2015, 02:54:14 PM
without a something a nothing cannot be perceived,
Two things people think "exists"-----
1. nothing
2. emptiness
NEITHER ONE EXISTS denotatively. Its a logical impossibility
Both are relational parameters to something else.
I can say "Alaska is empty of palm trees", but "empty of palm trees" is not something, its a relational via negativa (apophatic) in defining "Alaska" or the parameters of same.
Zen and much of mahayana buddhism suffers this bullshit fallacy talking about "finding emptiness" , which as a Pali translator myself of 20 years, does NOT exist in doctrine.
ABCDEF are Not-X , are empty (of X), is not a qualification of or reification of "empty"
Subject precedes objects of negation, the very term "empty" and "nothing" and "emptiness" are relational qualifiers of SOMETHING ELSE, and do not exist in any parameter of qualified substantiality.
1. person 1..." i saw emptiness" ......(said the Zen idiot)
2. person 2........"oh yeah, who saw it???"
3. person 1........."I saw it"!!
4. person 2............"if you saw it , it wasnt empty"
5. person 1............"what???"
6. person 2..........."if you saw it, it contained a witness, yourself, and therefore wasnt empty at all"
harf harf harf ;D ;D
Quote from: Qwert on February 12, 2015, 04:18:58 PM
May we know the reference?
sure thing, download the FREE book off of scribd.com called
"TESLA SAID"do a word search with PDF Acrobat
If you cant find the book, ill link it for you.
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Quote from: MarkE on Today at 03:15:04 PM
Heavyside was unaware of the P/E effect.
you miss the point idiot.
Heaviside in his electrical papers Vol1 speaks about the power carrying pulse which is directly proportional to the frequency of the transverse E and M.
the so-called "PE EFFECT" coming later does NOT mean that the PRINCIPLE OF SAME was already known, idiot.
There is the problem: "proportional". The P/E effect is not a linearly proportional effect. It is a step-wise phenomenon. Is the problem here that you don't understand that the observed step-wise behavior of the P/E effect is not explicable in terms of classical E/M theory?
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Quote from: MarkE on Today at 03:15:04 PM
QED used extensively within that industry keeps yielding correct predictions.
You really are that fucking stupid apparently.
Correct electrical system predictions are and ARE BEING made based upon the bullshit that "electrons are flowing thru wires"
I CAN make 100% correct predictions about fluid dynamics based upon the premise that subatomic unicorns mediate pressure and flow.
The correct QUALIFICATION and PREDICTION of phenomena has NOT ONE FUCKING thing to do with a CORRECT EXPLANATION of said phenomena
Youre a mental defect. ;D ;D
The only way to judge that a theory is wrong is when it fails to make correct predictions. It is fundamental to the scientific method that the way we advance theories is by disproving them and replacing them with theories that at the time withstand all efforts at disproof.
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Quote from: MarkE on Today at 03:03:43 PM
That is an assertion. I would like to see proof of the assertion.
ALL of QM and GR is an unsubstantiated ASSERTION with 0% evidence.
... diatribe snipped
If your purpose is to simply rant and rave then there can be no useful conversation. Let me know when you are prepared to offer proof of your assertion.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 04:50:24 PM
If your purpose is to simply rant and rave then there can be no useful conversation. Let me know when you are prepared to offer proof of your assertion.
If your purpose is to simply rave about bullshit that doesnt exist, ala GR and QM, then you have nothing intelligent to say as per a conversation.
Let me know when you are prepared to qualify the assertion of GR and QM,......
.ala 'curved space' and 'virtual photons' Let me know when you are prepared to offer ANY goddamn proof of the insane CLAIMS of GR and QM ;D ;D ;D
go find those pesky unicorns for us.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 04:45:50 PM
The only way to judge that a theory is wrong is when it fails to make correct predictions.
Where did you come up with that mental perversion and bullshit? HOLY FUCKING SHIT BATMAN :o :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D
Any brain dead asshole can make
CORRECT predictions based upon
BULLSHIT INSANE FUCKING THEORIES/ EXPLANATIONS
The ancient (many of them) THEORIES that the gods moved the heavens and brought about the seasons, floods etc etc, followed 100% CORRECT PREDICTIONS of said phenomena. ;D ;D
Honestly, you really are that goddamn stupid??? ~~! :o :o ;D ;D
Scientific method, son, is about getting
CORRECT, ACCURATE EXPLANATIONS.getting quantifiable and REPRODUCIBLE experimental OUTPUTS / PREDICTIONS is LESS THAN half of said science.
So that's a big no then?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 05:04:21 PM
Where did you come up with the mental perversion and bullshit? HOLY FUCKING SHIT BATMAN :o :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D
Any brain dead asshole can make CORRECT predictions based upon BULLSHIT INSANE FUCKING THEORIES
The ancient (many of them) THEORIES that the gods moved the heavens and brought about the seasons, floods etc etc, followed 100% CORRECT PREDICTIONS of said phenomena.
Honestly, you really are that goddamn stupid??? ~~! :o :o ;D ;D
You are badly misinformed to the point of tragedy. It does not help that nearly every post of yours resorts to cursing and name calling.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 05:04:37 PM
So that's a big no then?
Youre a cornered fool , and worse still, you know it. ;D
I have UNLIMITED textual resources on GR and QM, .......and I know the holes and lies, and bullshit of your HEROs, your Saints
Your castle in the sky is a phantasm of bullshit, curved space nonsense, and non-existent 'virtual particles'
What you, in your mental midgetry, dont "get" is that GR and QM are complex varieties of rehashed Greek ATOMISM.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 05:08:18 PM
It does not help that nearly every post of yours resorts to cursing and name calling.
It doesnt help that every post of yours is based upon ignorance, and hero worship of Atomistic GR and QM.
Point being,..... I can stop the cursing at any time.
As for you and your goddamn ignorances......................well, thats another matter altogether ;D ;D ;D
He's certainly earning his pay today.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on February 12, 2015, 05:25:11 PM
He's certainly earning his pay today.
Regards...
from MarkE's HERO:
"I can safely say, nobody understands quantum mechanics,.......it is irrational, extremely so in its premise" ----- R. Feynman
Great, lets therefore explain it ALL on Angels, gods, and Unicorns. :o ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 05:29:39 PM
from MarkE's HERO:
"I can safely say, nobody understands quantum mechanics,.......it is irrational, extremely so in its premise" ----- R. Feynman
Great, lets therefore explain it ALL on Angels, gods, and Unicorns. :o ;D ;D ;D
As: ugly, strange, and complex as QM is we are stuck with it until we come up with something more elegant that predicts at least as well as it does.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:14:03 PM
As: ugly, strange, and complex as QM is we are stuck with it until we come up with something more elegant that predicts at least as well as it does.
I have a feeling Mark's about ready to consult Miss Cleo.
Regards...
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:14:03 PM
ugly, strange, and complex as QM is we are stuck with it
Take that word "WE" above,........and shove it sidewise up your ass, covered in rusty nails.
Dont speak for others..... as if WE are slaves to STUPIDITY and ILLOGICAL bullshit as yourself are under the sway thereof.
Mother Nature IS NOT a a cross-eyed CRACK WH0RE, .....as GR and QM paints her as.
Mother Nature can be as complex as she wants.
If it takes 53 zeros and a 1 after it she can have it!
That's what I think.
I quite enjoy being proved wrong.
John.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 06:30:20 PM
Take that word "WE" above,........and shove it sidewise up your ass, covered in rusty nails.
Dont speak for others..... as if WE are slaves to STUPIDITY and ILLOGICAL bullshit as yourself are under the sway thereof.
Mother Nature IS NOT a a cross-eyed CRACK WH0RE, .....as GR and QM paints her as.
Whatever nature is, unless and until someone comes up with a theory that makes better predictions than QM / QED, or at least matches it then those who use QM / QED are able to advance technology where those who reject it without an equal or superior replacement cannot. While there are lots of reasons to search for a more elegant and hopefully intuitively satisfying description of nature than QM / QED, until such an improved theory surfaces it is foolish to reject the best tools that we have now. No amount of foot stomping, cursing, or insult hurling can change that inconvenient reality.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 04:45:50 PM
Is the problem here that you don't understand that the observed step-wise behavior of the P/E effect is not explicable in terms of classical E/M theory?
MarkE,
If you watch his videos or read what he has written regarding his explanation of the photoelectric effect, you will see that this is indeed one of his problems.
PW
Quote from: minnie on February 12, 2015, 06:49:16 PM
Mother Nature can be as complex as she wants.
If it takes 53 zeros and a 1 after it she can have it!
That's what I think.
I quite enjoy being proved wrong.
John.
42, the number has to be 42.
Quote from: picowatt on February 12, 2015, 06:57:04 PM
MarkE,
If you watch his videos or read what he has written regarding his explanation of the photoelectric effect, you will see that this is indeed one of his problems.
PW
PW, maybe I'll take a look. Do you have any links in particular?
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 07:04:35 PM
PW, maybe I'll take a look. Do you have any links in particular?
MarkE,
Possibly TA will provide links to his explanation of the P/E effect.
He discussed it several times here in this thread a ways back, but it is such a foul mouthed and ugly thread, I have no desire to weed back thru it.
PW
Maybe if people(the usual suspects) would have dialogued with him instead of ridiculing him or challenging his intelligence, he would have not reacted the way many others before him reacted when treated with such disrespect.
But every day here is groundhog day.
Just saying it like it is.
Regards...
Quote from: minnie on February 12, 2015, 06:49:16 PM
Mother Nature can be as complex as she wants.
If it takes 53 zeros and a 1 after it
that large number is still just 1,
in duplication, in divergence. That isnt complexity at all, just UNLIMITED REPLICATION of 1 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:56:59 PM
where those who reject it without an equal or superior replacement cannot.
I have a superior replacement for it.
That you accept it or not , is NONE of my goddamn care or worry.
Go find us one of those unicorn particles.
Quote from: picowatt on February 12, 2015, 06:57:04 PM
MarkE,
If you watch his videos or read what he has written regarding his explanation of the photoelectric effect, you will see that this is indeed one of his problems.
I have no problem with same at all, rather you and Mark keep thinking that
EM is electromagnetism both in whole and in part.Its NOT. Its a trifold CIRCUIT of EM around frequency pulsed longitudinal dielectric which is the entirety of the power "under" and "behind" ALL EM.
Your incapacity for comprehension of same...... has no bearing on anything one way or the other.
Quotefrequency pulsed longitudinal dielectric
If they ever do another TV series that's part of the Star Trek universe, they should hire you as a writer.
Quote from: MileHigh on February 12, 2015, 08:37:46 PM
If they ever do another TV series that's part of the Star Trek universe, they should hire you as a writer.
nice bullshit, but meaningless.
superluminal longitudinal dielectrics were proven by Tesla.
Your ignorance fails to grasp that only transverse spatial phenomena "partake" of , or are limited by luminal speeds.
I hear this PATENTED invention was "IMPOSSIBLE"..................
it both exists, WORKS, and is patented and will change the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMssut5ik9ASo, fuck you. ;D
TA,
Do you even understand what it was regarding the photoelectric effect that classical E/M theory could not explain?
I ask because in all you have discussed regarding the photoelectric effect, you never seem to address that issue.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on February 12, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
TA,
Do you even understand what it was regarding the photoelectric effect that classical E/M theory could not explain?
false premise, comparing and contrasting shit with another flavor of shit.
both EM classical theory AND the GR / QM explanation of PE are FLAWED
Ive already cited Tesla on the nature of EM/ Light to you.
but you never read it.
TA,
Is that a "no", as in you don't understand what the problem was that classical E/M could not explain regarding the photoelectric effect?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on February 12, 2015, 09:43:00 PM
TA,
Is that a "no", as in you don't understand what the problem was that classical E/M could not explain regarding the photoelectric effect?
PW
strawman fallacy. Nice bullshit attempt.
nobody (accurately) explained the PE effect until I wrote about it 6 months ago.
The WP "packet" was accurately explained 6 months ago by myself and 100% accurately explains the TEM circuit of EM capacitance in the circuit of light proportional to frequency
the Maxwellian/Lorentz force classical descriptions fail, likewise so did Einstein's
Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/can-maxwells-em-theory-explain-the-photoelectric-effect.408503/
Now, ask yourself WHY Heaviside invented the coaxial cable and HOW its connected to the nature of the Trifold circuit of light.
TA,
I watched your video presentation regarding the photoelectric effect that you posted quite some time ago. I recall you pounding on the chalkboard with your chalk stating "the more pulses the more power" or something to that effect.
No where in that video did you address the issue regarding the photoelectric effect that classical E/M could not explain.
That is why I asked if you understood what the problem was at the time that classical E/M could not explain regarding the photoelectric effect.
Do you understand what that problem was?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on February 12, 2015, 09:43:00 PM
TA,
Is that a "no"
Asshole, why dont you try to use Einstein's bullshit explanation ala the photoelectric effect to explain
electrostatic levitationA change in the cogravitational field (for which there is MUCH math, ala Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko) due to dielectric (electrostatic) capcitance explains same and is 100% identical to what Ive already explained is the nature of the true mechanics behind the PE Effect.
Relativity nor Einsteins BS on the PE effect can explain electrostatic levitation
Quote from: picowatt on February 12, 2015, 10:08:21 PM
No where in that video did you address the issue regarding the photoelectric effect that classical E/M could not explain.
Then you didnt watch it at all.
Photons dont exist anymore than do electrons......., the WP "packet" is a EM/dielectric CIRCUIT
Neither Maxwell nor GR / QM explain the PE Effect.
Youre lost in a sea of atomistic nonsense where the universe runs off of atomic and subatomic BB's : ;D
TA,
I am just asking if you understand what it was about the photoelectric effect in the time prior to QED that classical E/M could not explain.
Do you understand what that was?
PW
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 08:01:25 PM
I have a superior replacement for it.
That you accept it or not , is NONE of my goddamn care or worry.
Go find us one of those unicorn particles.
So: Where is this superior replacement recorded? And what falsification tests has it successfully passed?
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 10:26:33 PM
So: Where is this superior replacement recorded? And what falsification tests has it successfully passed?
its recorded via ISBN , There is no falsification.
Likewise, my premise of the hyperboloid nature of magnetic reciprocation was later
proven accurate when I discovered Timm V. ferrocell invention.
Likewise, for the first time ever the so-called "Bloch wall" has been explained in full, ......additionally the hypotrochoid of magnetic divergence has been EXPLAINED and there are 2 working models as proof / validity of same.
not only accurate,
but 100% accurate. Yes, Im the first person on earth to fully and accurately explain how a magnet works, what magnetism is, and have 300+ more pages to add to the current edition of the book.
Go make your own discovery (if you have a brain, which I doubt you do as evidenced by prior comments) ;D
Additionally, ill debate anyone anytime anywhere in public in front of a crowd as against any current theories of magnetism as pertains the nature of how a Magnet works, and what magnetism is......
............and I will NEVER lose said debate.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 10:26:33 PM
So: Where is this superior replacement recorded?
HERE IS A VIDEO OF YOUR FUCKING GODDAMN HERO, R. Feynman .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM
He is asked very SIMPLY to explain "how a magnet works"
watch him WIGGLE! watch that fucking video, watch it! ;D
When the supposed 'expert' and Hollywood-scientist and academic fraud Richard Feynman was asked (IN THE VIDEO ABOVE)
to explain what magnetism
is, how it works, sitting in his chair, he twitched and squirmed like a frog on a hotplate, wiggling and dodging the question, then
deflects, and finally says its too complex (for mere mortals) to understand. Eventually he concedes he cannot explain these "forces".
This rather infamous video of a worm on a hotplate can be found everywhere. Likewise, his book so highly praised by his hubris filled
academic stooges, "QED strange theory of light and matter" explains magnetism away with angels and unicorns, or rather I should
accurately say "virtual photons", of which there is no quantitative difference between unicorns and the 'sage' academic explanation of
"virtual photons", both are patently absurd and offend even the common sense of a ten year old child and people collectively
.....and THAT fucking stooge, ......the GOD of QED, and QM, .....
..is WHO you think "has answers"
Fucking pathetic at a level SO HIGH , nobody can measure it.
Quote from: MileHigh on February 12, 2015, 08:37:46 PM
If they ever do another TV series that's part of the Star Trek universe, they should hire you as a writer.
Thats a great idea.
And you can cast MH in a new role...and call him Number 2.
Regards...
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 10:32:11 PM
its recorded via ISBN ,
Would you be so kind as to list the ISBN number?
QuoteThere is no falsification.
I am sorry, but that is non-responsive. Again: What falsification tests has this new theory been subjected to that it has passed?
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Likewise, my premise of the hyperboloid nature of magnetic reciprocation was later proven accurate when I discovered Timm V. ferrocell invention.
On what basis do you claim that proof?
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Likewise, for the first time ever the so-called "Bloch wall" has been explained in full, ......additionally the hypotrochoid of magnetic divergence has been EXPLAINED and there are 2 working models as proof / validity of same.
Where are the experiments documented?
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not only accurate, but 100% accurate.
Yes, Im the first person on earth to fully and accurately explain how a magnet works, what magnetism is, and have 300+ more pages to add to the current edition of the book.
That all sounds very exciting, provided it holds up to independent verification. What independent verification has been performed?
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Go make your own discovery (if you have a brain, which I doubt you do as evidenced by prior comments) ;D
Additionally, ill debate anyone anytime anywhere in public in front of a crowd as against any current theories of magnetism as pertains the nature of how a Magnet works, and what magnetism is......
............and I will NEVER lose said debate.
It is nice that you have a high opinion of yourself. What I am asking for is verifiable data.
Quote from: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 10:41:24 PM
Would you be so kind as to list the ISBN number?...
its 0-9712541-8-4
Check out this video i just made ( i made one like it months ago actually also, but anyway,.......)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07v_dcg14j0
The magnetic "circle", or the "spirograph pattern" DRAWN OUT , 100% identical to the hypotrochoid of magnetism under the ferrocell
irrefutable ;) ;)
By drawing it out SLOWLY, its easy for everyone to SEE "ohhhhhh, thats it!!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07v_dcg14j0
Force reciprocations are purely circular, of course, but people cannot mentally "grasp" the HYPOTROCHOID pattern..........so I did it slowly for people to SEE
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 11:39:01 PM
its 0-9712541-8-4
Thanks.
Statements like this from page 103 seem to miss the mark:
QuoteAs is the nature of dielectricity, the smaller the space, the MORE dielectricity that can be stored, this is why the frequency of an
"electromagnetic" bounding geometry is directly proportional to its dielectric capacitance. This is evidenced in the dielectroelectromagnetic
effect (wrongly conceived of as the photoelectric effect) where frequency is proportional to the energy propagated.
How does this dielectricity concept deal with the observed step-wise behavior of the photo-electric effect?
Quote from: MarkE on February 13, 2015, 12:00:10 AM
How does this dielectricity concept deal with the observed step-wise behavior of the photo-electric effect?
The multiphoton photoelectric
THEORY as per the PE effect is a brain fart miscomprehension of TEM PHASE and COHERENCY (circular, linear, polarized or NOT polarized).
Likewise, you keep forgetting the 'PHOTON' is the
unreal invention of Einstein and his demonic kin.
The WP "packet" is an unreal theory that doesnt exist ( as implicative of the so-called 'photon').
constructive phase, or destructive TEM phasing isnt even explained by GR or QM as to additive power in coherent force phenomena (such as coherent light)......much less the PE effect.
Mult-axial non polarized constructive TEM is the basis of the BS "multi-photon" PE effect THEORY
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 13, 2015, 12:11:13 AM
The multiphoton photoelectric THEORY as per the PE effect is a brain fart miscomprehension of TEM PHASE and COHERENCY (circular, linear, polarized or NOT polarized).
Likewise, you keep forgetting the 'PHOTON' is the unreal invention of Einstein and his demonic kin.
The WP "packet" is an unreal theory that doesnt exist ( as implicative of the so-called 'photon').
constructive phase, or destructive TEM phasing isnt even explained by GR or QM as to additive power in coherent force phenomena (such as coherent light)......much less the PE effect.
Mult-axial non polarized constructive TEM is the basis of the BS "multi-photon" PE effect THEORY
I read your sections on the photo-electric effect and your ideas fail to explain the behavior. Now, it is always possible that I missed something, so why don't you show a numerical example of how your ideas properly predict the detected radiation emitted from a material of your choice only when stimulated with radiation below a threshold wavelength?
Quote from: MarkE on February 13, 2015, 12:44:55 AM
Now, it is always possible that I missed something, so why don't you show a numerical example of how your ideas properly predict the detected radiation emitted from a material of your choice only when stimulated with radiation below a threshold wavelength?
pretty dense arent ya?
said threshold is merely the limit of capacitance (anode etc plate) which releases energy.
The electric field can only 'soak into the medium' at the rate defined by that medium. Light can only travel at luminal velocity as defined by the dielectric medium and its dimensional relation of one over c square, a numeric constant.
Light is not a material projection, it is an inductive process
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 13, 2015, 12:54:41 AM
pretty dense arent ya?
said threshold is merely the limit of capacitance (anode etc plate) which releases energy.
The electric field can only 'soak into the medium' at the rate defined by that medium. Light can only travel at luminal velocity as defined by the dielectric medium and its dimensional relation of one over c square, a numeric constant. Light is not a material projection, it is an inductive process
Your explanation so far does not account for the existence of a threshold. Please supply an example with the attendant math where from the material properties as you claim they exist a threshold is derived that matches any known photo electric effect experiments.
Quote from: MarkE on February 13, 2015, 01:10:18 AM
Your explanation so far does not account for the existence of a threshold.
Yeah...Sure, because youre the only idiot on earth that has no clue what a capacitance threshold is
Your ignorance carries no mark or stain upon the explanation,
since the deficiency of the explanation lay strictly within the sphere pertaining to your agnosis thereof.
marke, is getting schooled. ;D
Theoria:'Additionally, ill debate anyone anytime anywhere in public in front of a crowd as against any current theories of magnetism as pertains the nature of how a Magnet works, and what magnetism is......
Me: if you or somebody else can ruthlessly prove that the bismuth ball heatsup above ambient people will flock to you.you'l become world renoun for that that alone.the battering ram for your ideas perhaps.people will demand to know where such a heat-gradient originates from in such a static system
Theoria:'Light is not a material projection, it is an inductive process'
Me: according to your theory electrons are light not particles?
Quote from: profitis on February 13, 2015, 03:47:23 AM
Me: if you or somebody else can ruthlessly prove that the bismuth ball heatsup above ambient people will flock to you.you'l become world renoun for that that alone.the battering ram for your ideas perhaps.people will demand to know where such a heat-gradient originates from in such a static system
static? NOTHING in the universe is static, ABOVE all magnetic reciprocation.
PIC BELOW to simplify things for some folks.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 13, 2015, 01:23:16 AM
Yeah...Sure, because youre the only idiot on earth that has no clue what a capacitance threshold is
Your ignorance carries no mark or stain upon the explanation, since the deficiency of the explanation lay strictly within the sphere pertaining to your agnosis thereof.
Well since you obviously know: Kindly tell us all.
Theoria:'static? NOTHING in the universe is static, ABOVE all magnetic reciprocation.'
Me: sure sure we know that.when I say static I mean from a macroscopic pov.no obvious gradients like in the karpenpile for example where we have two clearly reciprocating gradients to work with.in the ball system we would have to 'look' for a causative ie.look at your theory a little closer.a lopsided wobbly spontaneous force will make a good maxwell demon
Channel for a heat sinkhole.we would have to rule that a) the magnet was indispensible for this effect b) that the magnet didn't cause change in the directional heat-waves reflectivity of bismuth,ie.act as an infrared diode.this still violating 2nd law but not supporting your theory.
Quote from: MarkE on February 13, 2015, 04:20:44 AM
Well since you obviously know: Kindly tell us all.
if we could look into your mind, I imagine it would look something like the pic below
odd, illogical, strange, and where uncommon sense and absurdity is the norm.
Quote from: profitis on February 13, 2015, 04:29:15 AM
ie.look at your theory a little closer.a lopsided wobbly spontaneous force will make a good maxwell demon
Channel for a heat sinkhole.
Ive got some biological experiments coming up that will "pop" some peoples corks and will be the the segway for discussion of magnetic polarity phase rarefaction and compression.
Likewise, these experiments can be reproduced by anyone.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 13, 2015, 04:33:20 AM
if we could look into your mind, I imagine it would look something like the pic below
odd, illogical, strange, and where uncommon sense and absurdity is the norm.
Anything is possible. But back to the photoelectric effect: Are you going to show how your ideas account for it or not? Kindly show us how according to your ideas the step-wise behavior can be predicted using an example of your choice.
Quote from: MarkE on February 13, 2015, 04:42:24 AM
Anything is possible. But back to the photoelectric effect: Are you going to show how your ideas account for it or not? Kindly show us how according to your ideas the step-wise behavior can be predicted using an example of your choice.
you want me to validate an unreal observational premise.
back to smoking your dope.
MarkE:'Anything is possible. But back to the photoelectric effect: Are you going to show how your ideas account for it or not? Kindly show us how according to your ideas the step-wise behavior can be predicted using an example of your choice.'
Me: I don't see how this is of any help here as his ideas are on the nature of light and the nature of electrons not its effects
@theoria so how is your argument much different from the old classic wave/particle argument? The wavers say pretty much the same thing as yourself right? Wobblies with no mass.and how do you account for electrons being a photon?how do they fit in the electromagnetic spectrum radiowaves-gammarays?I should rather ask how do you see an electron as a wobbly and not as a thingy with mass?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 13, 2015, 04:57:53 AM
you want me to validate an unreal observational premise.
back to smoking your dope.
Hmm, and there I thought that you had just said that you could account for the photo electric effect with your ideas. Now it seems you want to say that the effect doesn't exist. As to it's existence: I observe the solar panels on my roof working just great every sunny day. It seems they work for the other millions who have solar on their roofs as well. Then there are all those fiber optic transmitters and receivers that allow us to engage this conversation, the photoelectric effect is alive and well there too.
Marke, do you understand how a virus attacks the brain?
Well it starts by your idiot supporters making you feel smart. lol
Obviously, this marke guy is relying on other peoples inventions so has nothing to prove worth while..
The smart people are thinking and thinking!
What is the dark matter in between the vortex?
What is the dark matter in outer space?
Just give your opinion of what is drak matter in outer space markE.
Joel:'What is the dark matter in between the vortex?'
Me:between the wobbly? mini black hole? Singularity?dirac sea?
Joel:'The smart people are thinking and thinking!'
Me: not easy to get perception inline with logic,throwing my handsup like fennyman! (:
QuoteMe:between the wobbly? mini black hole? Singularity?
The milky way is spinning clockwise while the universe is spinning counter clockwise from the milky way. If I got it wrong, it still spins in the opposite direction.
OK profitis you all mighty truth teller, lol. What is inside a vortex? After you are done explaining that, explain what is inside a females dress when she is very beautiful?
Joel:'OK profitis you all mighty truth teller, lol. What is inside a vortex? After you are done explaining that, explain what is inside a females dress when she is very beautiful?'
Me: gotta make sure ther is a vortex before I can tell you what's inside it brother.I don't know what's inside a goodlukin females dress but I can tell you what's going to be crawling under it (:
QuoteJoel:'The smart people are thinking and thinking!'
Me: not easy to get perception inline with logic,throwing my handsup like fennyman!(:
Hiding code to report to the moderator?
For shame profitis!
You are reporting me while you are not that smart?
You know you are reporting people 24/7 as to make yourself believe that you speak TRUTH!
I ask myself, what are you even blabbering about?
Just waiting for me to get banned so that can make you feel like you are 100% right? Rat!
If you want to learn and be friends and find truth, what is "dark matter" or "a rabbit eating a carrot?".
Profitis, do you want to help the world?
Quotebut I can tell you what's going to be crawling under it (:
what is it?
Joel: 'what is it?'
Me: thereason for existence (:
Are you living inside a vortex or outside of one?
Profitis, what is the "dark matter" inside a vortex?
We do exists inside a vortex? but why do we exist inside a vortex and not outside of the vortex for that matter?
Joel:'Profitis, do you want to help the world?'
Me: no I'm too rebellious (:
Joel:'profitis, what is the "dark matter" inside a vortex?
Me: now this is what I want to find out.if theorias ideas on magnetism are proven valid in the bismuth experiment then we can leap forward with locating this answer.certainly at the fulcrum of a lightwave there must be a kind of 'nothingness'
QuoteMe: no I'm too rebellious (:
I will find this as truth because you know what dark matter is. stop reporting people just because you don't understand truth!
Joel:'stop reporting people just because you don't understand truth!'
Me: I believe in what I perceive.same as everyone else.but I don't always believe my perception,different from everyone else.it helps a great deal if what you can't see you can see,such as the bismuth experiment.have you done the bismuth experiment @joel
Quote from: profitis on February 13, 2015, 05:05:53 AM
@theoria so how is your argument much different from the old classic wave/particle argument? The wavers say pretty much the same thing as yourself right? Wobblies with no mass.and how do you account for electrons being a photon?how do they fit in the electromagnetic spectrum radiowaves-gammarays?I should rather ask how do you see an electron as a wobbly and not as a thingy with mass?
wholly diff. Transverse EM waves are not in question by anyone, .........
rather the WHOLE and entire nature of EM itself, of light.
Light, nor EM is MERELY electromagnetism, its a trifold CIRCUIT. Why dont you ask yourself WHY Heaviside invented the coaxial cable.
As for particles, its pure goddamn BS, there is no "WP duality" ala that mental midget Einstein. Its THE MOST GODDAMN INSANE BS any fool could dream up.
The nonsense of "wave-particle duality" from Quantum mysticism is a fallacy; light creates interference fringes due to constructive or
destructive phasing from the dielectric additive or destructive polarization, or "light on light"
Light is not a material emanation or projection, rather sheer induction containing 2 axial and 1 radial components. By true definition,
the very nature of all electromagnetism is a wheel, as is the co-axial geometry of same. Spatial electrical and magnetic components,
induce each other THRU, as is necessitated, the counterspatial dielectric center axial and radial point. Linear and circular polarization
alike.
Magnetic lines of induction cannot terminate in space nor can dielectric ones. The radial axle of the geometry of light is absolutely
necessitated, it cannot exist in any other way, and certainly not the "self-conjugating and self-capacitance" conceptions as currently
exist about electromagnetism. The claim that EM is "self-conjugating and inducing self-capacitance" is to claim your car engine
pistons are reciprocating upon nothing, no crankshaft of mutual inductive rebounding reciprocation. This is both illogical and
impossible. Countless phenomena, including the so-called "photo-electric" (really the radial-dielectric) effect proves this to be the
case. As mentioned before, electricity can only induce or terminate into or as magnetism thru dielectricity.
The absurd belief that electromagnetic waves as 'self propagating' and 'self-inductive' transverse waves with electric and magnetic
fields oscillating at right angles to the direction of propagation is a product of quantum mysticism and has no basis in reality. The Zaxis
of electromagnetic propagation is the dielectric, the bounding inertial counterspatial CIRCUIT of EM,
the barrier which induces and reciprocates both
the electric and magnetic in wavelength and amplitude.Quote from: profitis on February 13, 2015, 05:05:53 AM
see an electron as a wobbly and not as a thingy with mass?
The idea of an electron having a REST MASS is insane. :o Thats like saying the PHYSICAL pressure exerted by light on spacecraft in space "proves light has MASS" ;D
BELOW: The missing secret of light is now, for the first time ever, rationally exposed, deconstructed, and unites every
phenomena known to exist around and regarding light.
This explains the supposed "wave particle duality",
it explains theFaraday effect,
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explains the manner by which light can be twisted by magnetic fields,
explains why light can be deflected by extremely strong centripetal gravitational fields. The idiot Einstein said: "We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two contradictory pictures of reality; separately (particle and wave theory) neither of them
fully explains the phenomena of light, but together they do."
The 'photon' is a purely arbitrary concept. Einstein wrongly concluded light was a discrete wave-packet. He called such a wave-packet a 'light quanta'.
Light, in fact, is D.E.M (dielectroelectromagnetic),a tri-fold circuit.
Quote from: joel321 on February 13, 2015, 06:00:11 AM
Profitis, what is the "dark matter" inside a vortex?
Inertia, the Ether.
Since GR and QM are
10,000% PURE ATOMISM, ..........everything to them is phenomena / matter
Hence their MENTAL FART "dark MATTER"
Everything to current shit science is somehow PHENOMENA / MATTER
they explain away the shit they dont grasp with "invisible MATTER"
such as:
"virtual photons" (MATTER!!)
"dark matter" (cant-see-it MATTER!!)
Theyre all 100% goddamn INSANE.
Ken,
S. Sarg is a "Etheorist"..
I have his books ...
Acca...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUWVHa9kOoU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUWVHa9kOoU)
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"Presently, the existing crisis in Cosmology is almost acknowledged by the main stream science. The origin of all problems in Physics, including the Cosmology comes from the adopted concept of the physical vacuum, which is incorrect, so it led to adoption of some wrong postulates. This is a fundamental problem affecting different fields of Physics. In Particle Physics it led to wrong concept about microcosmos. In Cosmology it led to a wrong picture about the Universe
The superfine structure of the physical vacuum is a source of two types of primary energy: (1) Static Energy not of EM type related to gravitational mass with a detectable signature - Casimir Forces[/i]; (2) Dynamic type of energy (lower amount), which is behind the electrical and magnetic fields and has a detectable signature of 2.72K estimated from the Cosmic Microwave Background[/i]. THE STATIC TYPE OF ENERGY IS THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF THE NUCLEAR ENERGY. IT IS NOT CONTAINED IN NUCLEI BUT IS UNIFORMLY DISTRIBUTED IN SPACE, SO EVERY CUBIC CM CONTAINS 1.37 E20 JOULES = 3.8 E13 (KWH) OF THIS ENERGY. IT IS ALSO THE SOURCE OF THE DYNAMIC TYPE OF ENERGY, KNOWN AS ZERO POINT ENERGY (ZPE), WHICH COULD BE REACHED BY SPECIFIC ELECTROMAGNETIC INTERACTIONS."
S.Sarg...
In 1920 Albert Einstein came to a fateful conclusion about the existence of Ether (http://www.helical-structures.org/einstein_about_ether.htm) - a fact of extreme importance missing in the contemporary Physics textbooks (a documentary movie and excerpts from original Einstein's book)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQYXj07yf8g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQYXj07yf8g)
Published on Nov 20, 2012
Stoyan Sarg, Theoretical Feasibility of Cold Fusion According to BSM- Supergravitation Unified Theory. Talk at 31 Annual Meeting of the Society for Scientific Exploration, 20-23 June 2012, Boulder, CO, USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di79FvZEMK0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di79FvZEMK0)
http://www.helical-structures.org/ (http://www.helical-structures.org/)
Quotehave you done the bismuth experiment @joel
Not really. Is it a good movie?
QuoteInertia, the Ether.
Since GR and QM are 10,000% PURE ATOMISM, ..........everything to them is phenomena / matter
Hence their MENTAL FART "dark MATTER"
Everything to current shit science is somehow PHENOMENA / MATTER
they explain away the shit they dont grasp with "invisible MATTER"
such as:
"virtual photons" (MATTER!!)
"dark matter" (cant-see-it MATTER!!)
Theyre all 100% goddamn INSANE.
For some weird reason this makes sense to me.
There is an ILLUSION that makes people believe that everything is solid. When the only thing that is solid is repulsion or attraction.
So everything is waves that get filtered by other waves. Light waves VS dense waves!
What that tells me is that a vortex is all waves. There is no straight lines exploding and imploding in a straight line. The lines are oscillating to a frequency. The hertz may not be detectable by todays electronics but I see them vibrating. And the reason the vibrate is because in between the waves, there is something else that cannot be detected by the vibrating waves.
I don't see it as being matter. Light cannot be matter if it is not a rock. Though technically a rock can be held and break.
But in the sum-atomic level, the word matter needs a new definition. Which in my mind is "waves" but then we have to define these "waves". There is no MATTER anymore only waves.
Now i'm thinking what frequency causes a human body to exists?
What frequency told the DNA to "evolve"?
That is something for another area of expertise. BUT
I can't picture an electron as being solid when the atom has a nucleus. What I only see is how far down the sub atomic particles can we understand with our monkey brains. Lol
I like learning and I hate how people don't allow us to continue to learn.
Those people that don't want to learn are INSANE, lol.
Maybe intelligence is the "vaccine" to ignorance. Now how do we "vaccinate" their brains? Maybe if they can invest in our thoughts and we can promise they will get rich!
My opinion TA.
Joel:
You are too late. We already have the public school system that no longer teaches practical things but, really important things like how to not hurt anyone's feelings, etc. Good choice of words Joel...the real vaccine for ignorance is real education, from wherever it comes from. School, books, learning by doing, etc. Too bad schools no longer provide this service.
Bill
Theoria:'The idea of an electron having a REST MASS is insane. :o Thats like saying the PHYSICAL pressure exerted by light on spacecraft in space "proves light has MASS" ;D'
Me: this is your most controversial declaration.what experiments have humans done so far to show that the electron has rest-mass? Nobody ever said that solar-propulsion proves that light has mass although it definitely proves that light exerts momentum force.electrons,they say, are rather large,many times bigger than certain other 'particles'
Quote from: profitis on February 14, 2015, 02:41:57 AM
Theoria:'The idea of an electron having a REST MASS is insane. :o Thats like saying the PHYSICAL pressure exerted by light on spacecraft in space "proves light has MASS" ;D'
Me: this is your most controversial declaration.what experiments have humans done so far to show that the electron has rest-mass? Nobody ever said that solar-propulsion proves that light has mass although it definitely proves that light exerts momentum force.electrons,they say, are rather large,many times bigger than certain other 'particles'
field pressure forces from transverse trifold circuit phenomena (light, etc) are not in question, .......the point is that there is no static 'electron particle' , it doesnt exist.
the light analogy was just that, an analogy.
I could call someone on the phone and tell them something so horrible they fall down, ......but obviously words over the phone are NOT PARTICLES or MASS :o :o ;D ;D ;D
This same ABSURD bullshit logic is wrongly applied to the electron-phenomena, there is no MASS/PARTICLE there, only force.
Our modern SHIT science ABSOLUTELY (and wrongly) thinks all forces require a particle at SOME DIRECT level.
but thats just their goddamn Atomistic premise.
Quote from: Acca on February 13, 2015, 03:07:33 PM
Ken,
S. Sarg is a "Etheorist"..
I have his books ...
Acca...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUWVHa9kOoU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUWVHa9kOoU)
Awesome stuff!!
Did you see the 7 VIDEO Dewey B Larson series I just uploaded?
GREAT STUFF!
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Joel, stop thinking about the seen and unseen Universe, at its macro and micro levels as something external to yourself. Start with this mental exercise in the beginning. Try to accommodate with this fundamental concept, and only through this new vision try now to see the actual human concepts of space, time, fields, waves, frequency, forces and so on. All current human concepts! An even your own conscious existence!
Without this first but fundamental exercise will not even touch the real senses of the Universe. Without this exercise will just continue to shape the reality according to minds, concepts and will of others, turning yourself into a circle of ideas in a closed system, outside of the universal laws of manifestation, which is not even your own circle. And since nothing is static in the universe, it follow naturally to manifest yourself accordingly.
Ken bring many glimpses in the actual ocean of the lack of real knowledge, of materialistic and mechanistic current totally wrong view and understanding of the Universe. But in its intimate nature the Universe is not that at all! And you already sense it! Keep going on your own path!
Theoria: 'The 'photon' is a purely arbitrary concept. Einstein wrongly concluded light was a discrete wave-packet. He called such a wave-packet a 'light quanta'.
Light, in fact, is D.E.M (dielectroelectromagnetic),a tri-fold circuit.'
Me:somebody has to give these wobblies a name right?. Can your trifold oscillation not be classified under the same title :wave-packet? Can your trifold not also behave as a particle sometimes?
Quote from: profitis on February 14, 2015, 03:03:32 AM
Can your trifold not also behave as a particle sometimes?
No, but it CAN and DOES act with SOME OF the same attributes and properties of particles
and hence the original confusion (of Einstein, and his demon kinsmen)
All of quantum BS grew out of the
"is it a wave?? is it a particle??" BRAIN FART.
Light has a QUALITY (property of) of 'particle LIKE' properties....
but the idiots of Einstein and his ilk said it is the QUANTITY (=QUANTUM) , or QUANTA of (quasi-)-Particles
which the idiot Einstein called "DAS LICHTQUANT" [light quanta-ty]............(((( Lichtquant oder Lichtteilchen )))))
Now, ask yourself why low frequency
COHERENT light can be so destructive in low wattage.
whereas the same wattage of
Incoherent light is useless even to read a paper by.
Then ask yourself why high frequency light and coherent light is both powerful and dangerous.
then finally ask yourself , deductively, what the link therein between the two is.
NEITHER frequency NOR coherency as pertains the
Electrical OR the Magnetic component of light are power multipliers
So.....................(insert answer)
Theoria:'Our modern SHIT science ABSOLUTELY (and wrongly) thinks all forces require a particle at SOME DIRECT level.
but thats just their goddamn Atomistic premise.'
Lol.this is the HUMAN first-instinct tendency my friend.comes from everyday life experience/survival.we don't question our perceptions which is why I love the wave-particle idea so much as it fucks ones mind.
Quote from: profitis on February 14, 2015, 03:14:38 AM
Lol.this is the HUMAN first-instinct tendency.
intellectual superiority, and Platonic logic at the very first, is transcendent to the human condition and senses, by use of Retroductive logic based in wisdom and insight into the causative principles BEHIND phenomena.
looking at phenomena (modern science) does not, cannot , never will reveal the Prima Causa (causation chain) behind said phenomena.
blaming phenomena for other phenomena, on and on and on, can never be the answer for anything.
Modern shit science is like a Russian nesting doll........phenomena / particles....
and under that more phenomena / particles....
and under that more phenomena / particles....
and under that more phenomena / particles....
and under that more phenomena / particles....
Theoria:'All of quantum BS grew out of the "is it a wave?? is it a particle??"'
But this is what makes wp so beautiful,it gives you a choice: you go the waveway,or,you go the particleway.or,yougo the bothway.3 choices.you are one of hundreds who have gone waveway correct? Di-electric oscillation is a wave not so?its certainly not a particle
Theoria:'looking at phenomena (modern science) does not, cannot , never will reveal the Prima Causa (causation chain) behind said phenomena.'
At least it gave us something to work with.some sort of permeable,curvy borderline structure for sake of comprehension and relativity.a fulcrum where there was none before
Quote from: profitis on February 14, 2015, 03:27:01 AM
Theoria:'All of quantum BS grew out of the "is it a wave?? is it a particle??"'
But this is what makes wp so beautiful,it gives you a choice: you go the waveway,or,you go the particleway.or,yougo the bothway.3 choices.you are one of hundreds who have gone waveway correct? Di-electric oscillation is a wave not so?its certainly not a particle
profitis can you tell me where is the particle here in this reasoning?
Hydrogen atom has equal volume 6,2x10^-31 cubic meters. The volume of the nucleus (oone proton) 2.5x10^-45. It is by 14 orders of magnitude smaller. It follows by a simple calculation that 99.9999999999996% is empty space and only 0,000000000004% is filled with something that could manifest the proprieties of what we call particle or matter. Thus if the atom would have the size of earth the nucleus will be about 200 meters in diameter. But according to the principle mentioned above, the nucleus (the proton ) is also empty at the same rate of 99.99999...%! So where and what is a particle?
Quote from: profitis on February 14, 2015, 03:27:01 AM
But this is what makes wp so beautiful,
lies arent beautiful
but some people love a good tale of fiction. Such is the case.
profitis, excuse me for butting in here but he is referring to correct information and im not one to comment because i haven't read the rest of this thread but look up Nassim Haramein and his holographic universe. the physics described by that work allow for separation in atomic and molecular systems all the way up to planetary and solar system and above, this is important for overunity work
and i dont want to get into this debate because its above my skill set but his last point is valid.
jon
Quote from: sadang on February 14, 2015, 03:54:21 AM
So where and what is a particle?
a subatomic particle (presumed) is an unquantified and unqualified point abstraction of irreducible convergence whereby which all human endeavors to trace prior causation meets the proverbial 'brick wall'
This brain flatulence of "science" demarcates this 'irreducible point' as a "mass entity" or 'particle' ;D
.....for which there is utterly no justification.
its a reified pseudo-scientific anterior sublimate which is aggrandized as the mass-point for all posterior causation / force/ motion etc.
(also an unjustified premise)
A "subatomic particle" is no more a particle, than is a harsh curse word hurled at someone which acts (like) as a force on the recipient ;D ;D ;D
ROFL
QuoteJoel, stop thinking about the seen and unseen Universe, at its macro and micro levels as something external to yourself. Start with this mental exercise in the beginning. Try to accommodate with this fundamental concept, and only through this new vision try now to see the actual human concepts of space, time, fields, waves, frequency, forces and so on. All current human concepts! An even your own conscious existence!
Without this first but fundamental exercise will not even touch the real senses of the Universe. Without this exercise will just continue to shape the reality according to minds, concepts and will of others, turning yourself into a circle of ideas in a closed system, outside of the universal laws of manifestation, which is not even your own circle. And since nothing is static in the universe, it follow naturally to manifest yourself accordingly.
Ken bring many glimpses in the actual ocean of the lack of real knowledge, of materialistic and mechanistic current totally wrong view and understanding of the Universe. But in its intimate nature the Universe is not that at all! And you already sense it! Keep going on your own path!
You know how I see the path? As a vortex! If I am stuck in this life is because I cannot surpass the vortex. In my mind a vortex has to teach other vortexes!= a vortex teaches a vortex how to cope with a vortex! If a vortex was to be created to vortex itself for infinity what would be the purpose to humanity? What does that tell me, the vortex is being a vortex for a purpose! And that is the beauty of learning! From he past experiences. From a "godly" influence, no matter what you call it....learning is beautiful! Lets get the stupid asses out of our way and continue to learn since the stupid asses are just road blocks. Which later will becomes our students! Yawn!
BTW, I'm not against TA. TA is WAYYYYYYY beyond the present. He has sooo much time in the present that he is toooooo way ahead of 90% of the people. When he speaks, mostly 90% of the ignorant contradicts.
If only 90% contradicting where understanding, holly shit, we would be 60 steps ahead of society right now!
Greed is the lagging of intelligence!
But the beauty of intelligence is that it will benefit your health 100% VS one million dollars.
Sadang? What is the ULTIMATE intelligence?
I need my prescribe dose of fiction once in a while lol
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSL7I709Fa_wBR8L9mmb4IHgyQcfBRzZXPvm_3-t3L_Q-iGDNGguA
Quotea subatomic particle (presumed) is an unquantified and unqualified point abstraction of irreducible convergence whereby which all human endeavors to trace prior causation meets the proverbial 'brick wall'
That proverbial "brick wall" is just our current civilization mechanistic and materialistic limited way of thinking. The real knowledge means much more than current limited rational and conscious thinking. Through analogy with my previous message, we understand only 0.000000000004% from intrinsic nature of Universe. And do not forget that here is only about the seen and/or known Universe!
Quoteits a reified pseudo-scientific anterior sublimate which is aggrandized as the mass-point for all posterior causation / force/ motion etc.
Yes indeed, wrong premises, wrong development, wrong results!
QuoteA "subatomic particle" is no more a particle, than is a harsh curse word hurled at someone which acts (like) as a force on the recipient
And if there is no particle anywhere, there is no wave associated to a particle! Nor viceversa! But unfortunatelly that "harsh curse word"
Quote from: joel321 on February 14, 2015, 04:50:48 AM
Sadang? What is the ULTIMATE intelligence?
In an forever dynamic Universe, there is no an ultimate intelligence! There is nowhere something seen as an ultimate, besides all that conceptualized by human minds, in reality shaped by them as closed and limited systems, with clear and "well" emphasized borders.
Theoria:'lies arent beautiful
but some people love a good tale of fiction. Such is the case.'
Wp is a CHOICE not a lie.how can a choice be a lie?it gave you space for your extension.it gave a million other guys space for their extension.if twerent for wp where would you be? Wp is more than a theory,it is a political ideology.the liberal movement for science.I'm very scared when people come along and say this is really how it is so let's kill the rest.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 14, 2015, 02:52:18 AM
Awesome stuff!!
Did you see the 7 VIDEO Dewey B Larson series I just uploaded?
GREAT STUFF!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ATOF1RBlWY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ATOF1RBlWY)
To continue in the same manner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPi6FU-9O5I#t=18 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPi6FU-9O5I#t=18)
QuoteIn an forever dynamic Universe, there is no an ultimate intelligence! There is nowhere something seen as an ultimate, besides all that conceptualized by human minds, in reality shaped by them as closed and limited systems, with clear and "well" emphasized borders.
Well then the universe is static then! No need to debate about dynamic. And you realizing that the earth is dynamic ONLY means that the universe is not static!
So let me get this straight! We don't leanr from the ULTIMATE PAST!? Which you have to admit that the past is truth? How do we know about the t-rex If not by the past = fossils? Is not like you would learn about the t-rex if you were focusing on the future?
You have to understand that "the ultimate" has more marbles than the stupid asses?
The you have to understand what is the purpose of intelligence? Is the purpose to be intelligent to just make fun of the dumb asses? OR is the purpose of knowing more things to teach the dumb asses? After all, we are all dumb asses! But there are some that need to be taught to be less dumb asses.
So I ask you, what is the purpose of you understanding the cure of a virus? sadang.
Quote from: profitis on February 14, 2015, 05:31:45 AM
I'm very scared when people come along and say this is really how it is so let's kill the rest.
All lies self-destruct without any outside force to help or speed it along.
Like a beached fish, it will rot and stink and all will see it for what it is.
"All literature on this subject (relativity) is futile and destined to oblivion"
– N. TeslaCurrent idiot science says, analogously, that ocean waves are the force transference principles (ala EM),.. likewise each wave is "like a particle-packet"
so, waves, and the frequency of the ocean waves. Or WP 'duality' Quantum nonsense.
All of this of course ignores the
water itself, i.e. the Inertia/Field/Ether. ;D
QuoteLike a beached fish, it will rot and stink and all will see it for what it is.
Many dolphins swim to the shore to commit suicide. Why do you think they do that?
Personally, I believe they where following the alpha male. When the alpha dolphin got stuck he was like "fuck, I'm dead there goes my legacy".
Sadang just needs a hug of encouragement to see the truth, there by he will help others in the same troubles.
You have to understand that the "protons" definition evolves in the year 2015.
That video was intellectual to be honest. Let me watch I again. I'm learning baby!
Forgive me ignorance Apophasis but can you tell me why videos, books etc. on the double slit experiment say that SOMETIMES THE LIGHT BEHAVES AS PARTICLES, SOMETIMES AS WAVE???
I mean, if it is always like your model, the dielectric pulse, which would be the photon, is always there. So why would it act sometimes as wave and sometimes not, and WHY that deal of the measurement playing a role in all this??? The measurment device converted it into particle??
This book quote would be an extrapolation of what I mentioned above. Is that solipsism?
Sadly there are only two paths.
Learn to live or learn to die.
No joel321, no! There is no past or future or time or space, besides that defined by human's mental as abstract concepts, grounded in their turn on other bunch of wrong assumptions, rendered by cyclic repetitions as immutable truths.
Or, to be straight as you were; you can not focus on the future, without being now in the present, and can not be in present if you have not been in the past, past which in its turn was also the future of its previous events. This fallacy of thinking is based on a start and ending point, or limits. It is just a misconception based on a circular way of thinking, a closed loop way of thinking, in which is mandatory to have a beginning and an end. The T-rex is now a past existence, but is was a future existence before their manifesting time! So, what is the real meaning of the concept of time, so as to talk about the "ULTIMATE PAST"?
QuoteSo I ask you, what is the purpose of you understanding the cure of a virus? sadang.
To cure myself of that virus! But more important than just cure of that virus, is to find out why I got it. Because is useless to cure the virus now and to get it again after a while.
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QuoteMany dolphins swim to the shore to commit suicide. Why do you think they do that?
Maybe here will find some answers!
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWE4g33dwdI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWE4g33dwdI)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVhYo41FOY8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVhYo41FOY8)
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QuoteSadly there are only two paths.. Learn to live or learn to die.
Not at all! Try first to define the concepts of life and death, and then to live and to dye! And will see they are the same as Ken's magnetism, they have to reciprocate themselves at the inertial plane, and are complementary rather than the opposite.
sadang, i will insult you tomorrow because you are making sense today.
Jon:'Profitis, excuse me for butting in here but he is referring to correct information and im not one to comment because i haven't read the rest of this thread but look up Nassim Haramein and his holographic universe. the physics described by that work allow for separation in atomic and molecular systems all the way up to planetary and solar system and above, this is important for overunity work
and i dont want to get into this debate because its above my skill set but his last point is valid.'
Thanks jon I'l chek it out.I'm never closed to new ideas but for any idea to become a revolution it must overcome opposition. the finer details of quantum mechanics are out of my league(I'm a chemist) but I have a grasp on the peripheries.if theoria can fuck me up in debate it will be a breaze in the park compared to the much more savage opposition from on high and he knows this.I don't trust any ideas unless they have been grilled and they survive.look what I had to endure in my debut thread.I pulled through
Quote from: joel321
Many dolphins swim to the shore to commit suicide. Why do you think they do that?
Personally, I believe they where following the alpha male. When the alpha dolphin got stuck he was like "fuck, I'm dead there goes my legacy".
...
The beaching of dolphins and whales is, very unfortunately,
the result of high technology programs. The U.S. Government
and the U.S. Navy bear responsibility.
There is a very long range underwater detection system which
makes use of directed beams of very high powered ultrasonic
emanations. When those warm blooded creatures of the sea
find themselves inside the beam, even for just an instant, the
disruptive power of the ultrasonic vibrations pulverize certain
of their internal organs which renders them incapable of normal
existence. In their confusion of imminent death they beach
themselves intuitively, seeking shallow waters, but are so
damaged internally they cannot feed or otherwise survive.
It is a tragic sacrifice in the name of National Defense.
The Wisdom of Man is folly.
theoria:'current idiot science says, analogously, that ocean waves are the force transference principles (ala EM),.. likewise each wave is "like a particle-packet"
so, waves, and the frequency of the ocean waves. Or WP 'duality' Quantum nonsense.'
All of this of course ignores the water itself, i.e. the Inertia/Field/Ether. ;D'
The dirac sea?zero-point? Its getting popular nowadays.Its being taken more serious by the new breed of revolutionary physicists.people are going to demand experiments,demos that change theories into facts.there's going to have to be a demo that we cannot walk away from
Quote from: pedromarcus on February 14, 2015, 06:08:47 AM
Forgive me ignorance Apophasis but can you tell me why videos, books etc. on the double slit experiment say that SOMETIMES THE LIGHT BEHAVES AS PARTICLES, SOMETIMES AS WAVE???
I mean, if it is always like your model, the dielectric pulse, which would be the photon, is always there. So why would it act sometimes as wave and sometimes not, and WHY that deal of the measurement playing a role in all this??? The measurment device converted it into particle??
for the SAME reason 5 watts of coherent LIGHT will burn a hole in your ASS
and 5 watts of incoherent light is total shit to read a book by
constructive or destructive "light on light"
You can get the EXACT SAME pattern by shooting light at a single stick or needle, you do NOT need slits, ......here is the video for proof of same
its extremely simple.
watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOwTV-HgDUo
Quote from: pedromarcus on February 14, 2015, 06:08:47 AM
SOMETIMES THE LIGHT BEHAVES AS PARTICLES, SOMETIMES AS WAVE???
its just a quantum cluster-fuck of STUPIDITY
blind quantum idiot #1 on the beach says that these things hitting him act EXACTLY like someone hurling beach balls ('particles') , as per their impact force ~~~~ (the waves~~~~~)
quantum idiot #2 on the beach says these things hitting him have
frequency, and amplitude, ;D EXACTLY like a wave .....................~~~~~ (again.........the fucking waves ~~~~~~)
Quantum conclusion????? ocean waves are "PHOTONS" ! :o :o :o :o and each wave is a "Wave Packet,.....that acts like a particle AND wave!!" :o :o :o :o
Hence King Moron says------- Einstein: "We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two contradictory pictures of reality; separately (particle and wave theory) neither of them
fully explains the phenomena of light, but together they do."
The 'photon' is a purely arbitrary concept. ;D ;D
Light and all EM is a
TRIFOLD CIRCUIT, light is not merely EM, nor the power-carrying component, rather its Z-axis dielectric perturbation which resultantly enacts PHASES of EM, linear, circular EM.
This very premise lead Oliver Heaviside to invent the Coaxial Cable.
The nonsense of "wave-particle duality" from Quantum mysticism is a fallacy; light creates interference fringes due to constructive or
destructive phasing from the dielectric additive or destructive polarization, or "light on light".
wave frequency......ok!
wave amplitude......ok!
wave PRESUMED impact force...........ok! (but not true)
The Fucks of Quantum have ignored the WATER (Ether/Field/Inertia) :o :o :o
Why do they say the mewsurement affects it?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 14, 2015, 01:28:17 PM
its just a quantum cluster-fuck of STUPIDITY
The Fucks of Quantum have ignored the WATER (Ether/Field/Inertia) :o :o :o[/glow]
I to find it funny how we live in a three Dimensional reality but all be damned to add another Dimension to a wave form lol
i hear ya but most will not understand how too comprehend how this works its like telling a fish there is another place with no water
jon
Quote from: pedromarcus on February 14, 2015, 02:29:27 PM
Why do they say the mewsurement affects it?
one way to think of it is like a bridge rectifier, alternating movement is being changed into a linear movement
so when one is measuring the wave form we are seeing a 2d interpretation of a 3d force
history isnt being challenged just the interpenetration of the data
jon
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 12, 2015, 02:18:46 PM
actually he DOES, he had 2 quotes ive found speaking about "vortices.......in the rotating magnetic fields"
Yes, Tesla even describes them pretty exactly and with details, only... he means something quite different from your concept. He never mentions that kind of concept which you postulate. Certainly he did not make this a secret (knowing his entire work), and we cannot say that such description would lost somehow, since all his written works he immediately published.
In your book on page 8/236 of pdf you cite:
"Tesla answered: rotating magnetic fields were dear to my heart. When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, I was a very young man."
It's easy to find what kind of the "rotating magnetic field" meant Tesla "when he was a very young man": a brush-less motor; but since this idea, still some time passed until the discovery of the multi-phase alternating current. See "Chapter 3 - How Tesla Conceived The Rotary Magnetic Field" of the publication "The Strange Life Of Nikola Tesla", available here in pdf:
http://www.neuronet.pitt.edu/~bogdan/tesla/tesla.pdf (http://www.neuronet.pitt.edu/~bogdan/tesla/tesla.pdf)
Quote from: Qwert on February 14, 2015, 10:13:22 PM
See "Chapter 3 - How Tesla Conceived The Rotary Magnetic Field" of the publication "The Strange Life Of Nikola Tesla", available here in pdf:
http://www.neuronet.pitt.edu/~bogdan/tesla/tesla.pdf (http://www.neuronet.pitt.edu/~bogdan/tesla/tesla.pdf)
yes, i already know about same
Tesla said rotating, by the way, he just have had easily said reciprocating, doesnt matter either way.
Tesla was NOT most proud of his motor, but rather the discovery of the NATURE OF rotating magnetic fields, as evidenced here:
A never seen before connection and insight into Teslas AC motor::::
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
POINT#1------ Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, the world wireless system, It was not the induction motor; instead it was the discovery of the principle that preceded the induction motor, the "rotating magnetic field". Tesla answered: "rotating magnetic fields were dear to my heart. When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, I was a very young man. The revelation came after years of concentrated thought and it was my first great thrill. It was not only a valuable discovery capable of extensive practical applications. It was a REVELATION OF NEW FORCES AND NEW PHENOMENA unknown to science before".
"No", Dr. Tesla said with some feelings, "I would not give my rotating magnetic field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and ear!"
Then saying: "A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come." - Nikola Tesla
POINT#2------Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
Like his (Edison) lamp, my induction motor may be discarded and forgotten in the continuous evolution of the (electric motor?) arts, but my rotating field with its marvelous phenomena and manifestations of force (from magnetism) will last as long as science itself" - Nikola Tesla
Article: New York World Nov. 29, 1929, p. 10 col. 4-5. To the Editor of the World
The point to be taken away from the above two quotes is that Tesla's "great pride" was not his induction motor invention, rather the discovery of magnetic field reciprocation (rotation)! This fact has never been seen or deciphered by anyone before until now.
Quote from: joel321 on February 14, 2015, 06:20:06 AM
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The entire world is retarded in differentiating ELECTRICAL vs ELECTROSTATIC :o
dielectric, or electrostatics are CHARGES (dielectric pulse, or 'static' charge)
electrical are CURRENTS of charge with necessitated reciprocal REACTIONARY (circular or linear, depending on phase) magnetic divergences.
The TRIFOLD circuit of light is not only my THEORY which proves ALL (100% ALL IN FACT) unanswered questions about the "dual" (nonsense) nature of light, but likewise Light and all EM CANNOT exist any other way, its impossible.
wave functions and transverse phenomena are IMPLICIT in describing electrical phenomena which have an acceleration variable.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 14, 2015, 10:46:32 PM
The point to be taken away from the above two quotes is that Tesla's "great pride" was not his induction motor invention, rather the discovery of magnetic field reciprocation (rotation)! This fact has never been seen or deciphered by anyone before until now.
Yes, rotation, like in multiphase AC motor. Not motor itself, rather rotating Alternating Current was his main discovery. This fact was widely seen before.
Isn't strange that Tesla, who shows pretty great fondness for writings, nowhere describes this phenomenon according to yours concept (especially since it's his most important discovery) with his usual details? Can you find another example where he neglects his idea? All available sources show only one main desire in his young age: making a brushless motor and that he accomplished it when he discovered alternating multiphase current. Any Tesla's description of this idea according to your concept?
Quote from: Qwert on February 15, 2015, 01:06:42 AM
Isn't strange that Tesla, who shows pretty great fondness for writings, nowhere describes this phenomenon according to yours concept
havent read MUCH of Teslas writings have you???
Tesla MORE than one place says..... "as to permanent magnetism..........its a mystery" - TESLA
There are A BILLION INVENTIONS that use magnetsthis however has not one goddamn thing to do with knowing HOW a magnet works
in this, Tesla was NO DIFFERENT. ;D
Teslas 1891 LECTURE::::
"the most puzzling phenomenon of all, being permanent magnetism"- TESLA"what is magnetism? These questions have been asked again and again. The most able
intellects have ceaselessly wrestled with the problem; still the question has not as yet
been fully answered."
----- TESLAon and on and on.
Tesla however DID say that--------- "magnetism......electrostatic in origin"- Tesla
which of course is TRUE, its the loss of dielectric/electrostatic INERTIA
Or as Faraday said "magnetism is the dielectric field"
QuoteYou can get the EXACT SAME pattern by shooting light at a single stick or needle, you do NOT need slits, ......here is the video for proof of same
In my mind I'm wondering if the understanding of the universe is completely wrong since they base everything on "light shift" with their telescopes.
From what I can gather, everything that is "known" about the universe is due to "light shift" but because there are some "blind spots" in the light and our way of looking, their laws cannot be 100% accurate which in my mind is that there are a lot of misconceptions regarding the understanding of the universe.
If I look up in to space to look at light shift, how would I know that there is no needle in between the path or a slit.
Sound can only be detected by the ear. I'm wondering if sound waves act in the same way as light if there is a needle in front of a focused sound wave?
Just like animals in caves loose their eye sight and enhance their hearing because there is no point of having eyes in the dark. So, in outer space, there must be great "evolution" regarding sound that is highly evolved.
Just saying.
Quote from: joel321 on February 15, 2015, 02:10:06 AM
In my mind I'm wondering if the understanding of the universe is completely wrong
its not in your mind, its true.
100 years from now, well look back at these sick fucks like Einstein and the rest, and roll our eyes at such caveman mentality of "curved space" and Unicorn fantasy particles.
As said,
Mother Nature is not an insane CRACK WH0REQuantum Fucks keep inventing new mystery particles
THEN THEY BEG FOR MORE $$$$$$$$ from idiots to go looking for them.
thats how these assholes get paid. Its their bread and butter.
Ahh, a new gravity particle must exist according to our theory!!!!, .....lets go digging for funding to support ourselves for the next 5 years looking for this crazy shit.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 15, 2015, 01:25:14 AM
Tesla however DID say that--------- "magnetism......electrostatic in origin"- Tesla
which of course is TRUE, its the loss of dielectric/electrostatic INERTIA
So??? Where (in Tesla's works) is the definition of "rotating magnetic fields"?
TA, we have two kinds of people in this world. Those that are money hungry and those that are knowledge hungry.
Mostly the money hungry are the stupid ones that become donkeys chasing the carrot. Then we have those smart lucky ones that break free from the ignorant system that have money and can even wipe their ass with 100 dollar bills if they wanted too.
Right now it seems that one needs to be a billionaire to get others respect. So why don't we teach the billionaires to be smart conscious?
Steps are:
1- learn truth!
2- make millions.
3- teach other to make millions.
4- educate the poor to make millions
5- everyone will become millionaires....that way no one will be poor...lol
When that happens, everyone would be focusing on truth and not getting confused by greed.
Anyways, I'm with you. In all magnetism and in light or sound waves, there is this OPPOSITE wave that makes the wave continue to wave.
In DC current there is this "wave" that continues to push the DC current...IN AC wave there is this opposite wave that makes it AC. There has to be an opposite wave.
Even in light waves. There is an opposite wave to any wave in any hertz. Which makes me think of magnetism....the only reason a magnet is magnetic is because there are some opposite waves that make it magnetic. Which regarding any light color, there is always an opposite "wave" to make it green, yellow, blue, etc. which bring me back to the "vortex" a vortex is just the OPPOSITE wave. Which all waves have. = dark space. (cannot be detected). If a wave is curving, it must be curving due to repulsion and attraction. If a wave was all positive, then all waves would just be straight lines.
The only reason we see blue , yellow, black, orange, is because of the opposite waves frequencies that our eyes "decode".
There is a lot to yet be learn man. These dumb asses are stupid dumb asses! Lol.
My two cents!
Quote from: Qwert on February 15, 2015, 03:11:59 AM
So??? Where (in Tesla's works) is the definition of "rotating magnetic fields"?
its in MY works, not his.
obviously.
as close as Tesla gets is:
About fifteen years ago, Prof. Rowland demonstrated a most interesting and important
fact, namely, that a static charge carried around produces the effects of an electric
current. Leaving out of consideration the precise nature of the mechanism, which
produces the attraction and repulsion of currents, and conceiving the electrostatically
charged molecules in motion, this experimental fact gives us a fair idea of magnetism.
We can conceive lines or tubes of force which physically exist, being formed of rows of
directed moving molecules; we can see that these lines must be closed, that they must
tend to shorten and expand, etc. It likewise explains in a reasonable way, the most
puzzling phenomenon of all, permanent magnetism, and, in general, has all the beauties
of the Ampere theory without possessing the vital defect of the same, namely, the
assumption of molecular currents. Without enlarging further upon the subject, I would
say, that I look upon all electrostatic, current and magnetic phenomena as being due to
electrostatic forces.
--------TESLAwhich isnt that close at all.
Knowing that magnetism was a rotary reciprocating field force is ALL TESLA needed to build his devices.
as to the Field mechanics of WHY a magnet does X, or HOW, etc etc.
he doesnt answer that.
I do.
TA, If in the magnetic vortex makes it magnetic, there has to be an opposite vortex to not make it magnetic? But now I'm going really deep.
Quote from: joel321 on February 15, 2015, 03:46:18 AM
TA, If in the magnetic vortex makes it magnetic, there has to be an opposite vortex to not make it magnetic? But now I'm going really deep.
you have to have a FIRM grip of the definition of
1. magnetism
2. MAGNET
3. Vortex.
almost nobody has a single damn clue about the denotative definition of EITHER of those 3.
2. Magnet is just a mass of incoherent atoms or molecules (hexagonal lattice of Neo Iron Boron for example) made COHERENT.
polarized atoms (ALL atoms) is one thing, a MASS of coherent polarized atoms or molecules is = Magnet.
1. magnetism is the radiation, the divergent expression of the LOSS of dielectric INERTIA
Vortex is not the "mystical" term everyone applies to it.... "Ooooooooh, a Vortex!!" ;D
copyright 11-14-2014 Ken L wheelerA vortex is a compounded or compounding spatial force vector expression within which or by which magnetic-force vectors are expressed against its/their originating counterspatial dielectric locus (inertia) along a curvilinear force-and-inertia pressure mediation as against the counterspatial locus of said divergent curvilinear expression. Compounded macrocosmic natural phenomena vortex (fluid, environmental) events are void or vacuum convergences against a pressure stasis. Cosmic vortex phenomena are left for another discussion, however are likewise akin to magnetic hypotrochoid expressions. As per magnetic vortex hyperboloids, force and space-creation are torsional ('inertial-friction') along golden ratio extrapolations and are additive, whereas convergences are dielectrically multiplicative. This is expressed as space is additive and synonymous with magnetic divergence, whereas counterspace is multiplicative. A magnetic vortex is a dielectric projection of force vectors, which follows a hyperboloid.
A vortex, in simple, is merely a curvilinear expression of force-against-dielectric-inertia reciprocation whereby which no straight lines exist in the universe, in that all force vectors are 'tethered' at a counterspatial locus within which and by which any and all divergences are torsional convergences as against a necessitated polarized locus (micro [atomic], or macro [magnet, a coherent mass]) which exists against all space by definition. The hyperboloid is the curvilinear expression of the loss of inertia which is extrapolated as a 3D hypotrochoid, or spatial torus. All geometry is projective geometry; likewise the magnetic hyperboloid is an inertia-and-loss-of-inertia phenomenon by which pressure reciprocation necessitates spheroidal convergence by means of hypotrochoid reciprocation. Negative pressure dynamics mediate pressure force reciprocations towards inverse counterspatial sink. The magnetic hypotrochoid is a convergence by means of polarized divergence vortex by nature, however the center of any and all torus formations, is the hyperboloid. The counterspatial 'center' of the torus is dielectric inertia, or counterspace from which the magnetic vortex, or torus is expressed necessitatively.
Even a centrifugal vortex is centripetal, in that it MUST reciprocate the geometry of the hyperboloid to converge centripetally at the opposite spatial displacement of centripetal convergence ("opposite pole"). There are no straight lines in the universe, all force vectors are curvilinear and move along a spiral around one or more counterspatial "tether-points". Contrary to the pontifications of pseudo-science, there exists NO open vortex phenomena in the universe, all force vectors are CLOSED.
Ultimately a vacuum created vortex (water vortex, water down the drain) or a magnetic vortex are both expressions of counterspace, one a localized void, the other an Ether-convergence. No force ends in space, because space is NOT a receptacle for force, rather the posterior attribute of divergences. All force vectors terminate at the origins, in inertia, or as meant counterspace.
Coherent magnetic reciprocation expressed by a magnet's (polarization collective with coherency) divergence exists as a pressure-force hyperboloid as necessitated by the dielectric counterspatial locus so-deemed by modern inept and defunct physics as a "Bloch wall". Inertia is the counterspatial 'tether point' at which and by which all force vectors, magnetic and otherwise express curvilinear reciprocations as defined by the space they create in so doing.
The absolute inverse of inertia is nothing, which is space. Space is neither a FIELD nor a FORCE, and has no properties, is it is purely a posterior attribute of the force reciprocations of magnetism. Force is nothing whatsoever, and the expression which gives definition to all phenomena in the universe.
"Under" the spheroidal field (really a force, not a field, only dielectric is the true field, magnetism is purely a force only) of magnetism, either atomic or the magnetic (coherent single mass) exists the spatial-counterspatial HYPERBOLOID, failure to understand this will make your compression short-sighted as per what the term "polarization" both IS and IMPLIES in the definition of what both magnetism IS and is meant, and how this applies to the magnet itself.
From my understanding of magnetism is that it attracts other phenomena! = metals.
Now if I think about a magnet not attracting GOLD, then I come to a conclusions that gold is being in the opposite vortex of magnetism. Even if gold maybe magnetic, it is very little. So I have to wonder that the gold "particles" have a "vortex" of their own, and that is they are repulsing themselves from the black hole.
In my conclusion, by the way thanks for explaining, the "vortex serves TWO purposes.
1- attraction.
2- repulsion.
A magnet has vortex to attract what it wants to attract.
Gold has a vortex to NOT ATTRACT what the magnetic vortex attracts. Even thought the magnetic waves past through gold, their molecules do not get influenced to get attracted to the magnet! Hence gold has the counter clockwise of a magnetic vortex. Or even the vortex could be spinning in the same direction but not at the same frequency.
If you REALLY think about it, magnetic fields are just WAVES. Where the laws tell me that EVEN magnetic fields have opposite waves. SINCE a magnetic wave is not starlight!
The only reason a magnetic wave is magnetic is because it has and opposite wave. So no matter if the vortex is true facts, the magnetic field has to have other waves that influence it.
Why does a magnet ignore gold or glass? as if they are IMMUNE to the vortex.
Thinking out loud.
Quote from: joel321 on February 15, 2015, 05:04:34 AM
From my understanding of magnetism is that it attracts other phenomena
there is no such nonsense as 'magnetic attraction', .....that perceptual error is many many 1000s of years old.
acceleration, for example iron, towards a magnet has nothing to with magnetism directly
the magnetic field which induces coherency is not in doubt, but radiation/magnetism has never attracted anything.
Quote from: joel321 on February 15, 2015, 05:04:34 AM
magnetic fields are just WAVES
No, theyre force hyperboloids that reciprocate along lowest pressure gradients which are natural 3D hypertrocoid formations
further still there are necessitated phase shifts due to gryomagnetic precession and always N "pole" rarefaction and S "pole" compression gradients.
This rarefaction-compression hyperboloid follows simplex golden ratio phase differentials.
sounds complicated, but in fact its really DAMN simplex (i said simplex, not simple).
Quote from: joel321 on February 15, 2015, 03:31:43 AM
TA, we have two kinds of people in this world.
No, 6 types of people in the world
copyright 6-2012 Ken Wheeler.
There are only these six varieties of beings in the cosmos.Demonic : most common being in general, some wise & some unwise but all addicted to shadows, fear, pain, and suffering either their own and or that of causing or enjoying same of others. In love with phenomena. Often undead beings between life and transmigration.
Idiot: most common living being, most useless, slave fodder, dangerous. Ignorant of phenomena. The general sensualist / materialist who seeks only money and sex in life, and knows of nothing higher, but would be open to same save for his own ignorance which is too massive.
Intelligent: common, useful, useful robots, useless outside of training and study, cant formulate or put two things together to formulate ideas and discoveries. Examiner and study of phenomena. Colledge educated moron, Doctor, Lawyer etc. well respected and studied; has passed countless tests and lives a nice life of respect and honor but is utterly uncaring and unknowing to much of the world and its workings.
Intelligent idiot: much more common in the past 100 years, most dangerous of all. Postulates the existence of only phenomena. Unquestionably the most dangerous living creature, for the fool is seen even by other fools as idiot, but the intelligent idiot in his intelligence is given power and respect though he has no wisdom to govern or lead, or exercise his intellect in a manner with wisdom. Such intelligent idiots would be ones such as Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, the "sadistic genius" mass murderer types, also leaders of study but no wisdom: Barack Obama, Lenin, Stalin, etc.
Wise fool: rare, very rare today, much more common in ancient times, harmless, useless. Knows the nature of phenomena but cant explain or empirically understand phenomena. Has transcended phenomena without logical objective examination. Wise fools only exist either in proximity to a guru who has given them expedient only instructions for transcendence, are often illiterate sanyasins, recluse sages, some of which are self taught but are unintelligent fools to teach, or help others. These are harmless recluses who talk almost never, never intrude in life and are content with the bliss of their wisdom.
Wise intelligent: most helpful, most rare, most useful of all. Knows phenomena as itself and what is prior to phenomena; has transcended phenomena and knows the mechanics of phenomena in detail. These are those who are both fully liberated, and highly taught in the nature, mechanics, hows, etc. of phenomena. These rarest types can teach others, and can instantly synthesize a 1000 different analogies to illuminate abstruse principles of metaphysics. These rarest types in the universe are both liberated and are backed up by an intellect to match; can debate anyone into the dust, and logically synthesize in word or speech the nature of totality.
"Now with the allocation of the understanding of the lack of understanding, we enter into a new era of science in which we feel nothing more than so much so, as to say that those within themselves (comprorary or non-comprorary) will figuratively figure into the folding of our non-understanding and our partial understanding to the networks of which we all draw our source and conclusions from."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdHK_r9RXTc
TA, honestly...your brain is way deeep in the understanding. One word after the other confuse themselves....because you are tooo way ahead of the evolving word. Which means that there are very few who will understand your way of thinking. Regarding the stupidity of civilization, hey, good luck man if you find someone that is looking past the ignorance.
I don't consider myself smart but I consider myself smarted than the average USA person! You are really waayyyy deepp!
So hear me out!
I would like for you to explain the "vortex" in gold or glass?
A magnet has a vortex!
Does a glass window have one too?
Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdHK_r9RXTc
Dude, you just proved to me that fat people are stupid! how many twinkies does that guy eat a day?
That guy is a clown in society. lol.
TA, I found this funny...
QuoteIntelligent: common, useful, useful robots, useless outside of training and study, cant formulate or put two things together to formulate ideas and discoveries. Examiner and study of phenomena. Colledge educated moron, Doctor, Lawyer etc. well respected and studied; has passed countless tests and lives a nice life of respect and honor but is utterly uncaring and unknowing to much of the world and its workings.
The bold part after the bold part of intelligence. = useful robots. I really find that to mean that robots with capacitors, resistors, cpus, logic gates, etc, are very intelligent components! Lol
I understand the rest, but "useful robots" does not quite mean what I would think of an intelligent person. Just saying, how can a robot be useful and intelligent lol....have a good day sir. lol
Sadang:'profitis can you tell me where is the particle here in this reasoning?
Hydrogen atom has equal volume 6,2x10^-31 cubic meters. The volume of the nucleus (oone proton) 2.5x10^-45. It is by 14 orders of magnitude smaller. It follows by a simple calculation that 99.9999999999996% is empty space and only 0,000000000004% is filled with something that could manifest the proprieties of what we call particle or matter. Thus if the atom would have the size of earth the nucleus will be about 200 meters in diameter. But according to the principle mentioned above, the nucleus (the proton ) is also empty at the same rate of 99.99999...%! So where and what is a particle?'
What is a particle? What is a particle? Jesus christ brother what are you trying to do,drive me insane? I'l tell you what it isn't.it isn't a wave (:
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 15, 2015, 03:42:46 AM
...___...
So, we cleared one assumption: the "rotating magnetic field": it's yours, not Tesla's idea.
As for the other assumptions, that's another story.
Quote from: profitis on February 15, 2015, 09:41:30 AM
Sadang:'profitis can you tell me where is the particle here in this reasoning?
Hydrogen atom has equal volume 6,2x10^-31 cubic meters. The volume of the nucleus (oone proton) 2.5x10^-45. It is by 14 orders of magnitude smaller. It follows by a simple calculation that 99.9999999999996% is empty space and only 0,000000000004% is filled with something that could manifest the proprieties of what we call particle or matter. Thus if the atom would have the size of earth the nucleus will be about 200 meters in diameter. But according to the principle mentioned above, the nucleus (the proton ) is also empty at the same rate of 99.99999...%! So where and what is a particle?'
What is a particle? What is a particle? Jesus christ brother what are you trying to do,drive me insane? I'l tell you what it isn't.it isn't a wave (:
You must add something else: all those basic entities have no mass, and an atom as a whole has. So, where the mass comes from? Where is the "boson"?
Quote from: Qwert on February 15, 2015, 09:42:59 AM
So, we cleared one assumption: the "rotating magnetic field": it's yours, not Tesla's idea.
I said no such fucking bullshit. ;D
Tesla mentions the "rotating magnetic field" COUNTLESS times, and NOT in reference to his invention.
Further still......Tesla followed Faraday's premise in FULL and Faraday mentions the rotating magnetic field endlessly.
I said the (full) explanation of the Magnet and of magnetism is MINE.
Quote from: Qwert on February 15, 2015, 09:51:01 AM
You must add something else: all those basic entities have no mass, and an atom as a whole has.
Brain dead arent ya? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ignorantly and in error GR and QM have declared 99.9999999% of an atom is "empty space", .......when in fact not even .00000001% of it is empty, ....it's a magneto-dielectric dynamo driven by enormous nucleal rotary spin and charges.
JUST UNDER 100% of the physical/phenomena in the universe (of matter/mass) is propped up by magnetism, logically and OBVIOUSLY SO.
now, deduce the REST of the picture.
If the atom were 99.999999% empty space as the priests of the cult of quantum advocate, then their non-existent electrons would
spiral into the nucleus. All atoms, as is necessary to understanding the magnet itself, are multifaceted 'balloons' with magnetic and
dielectric charges throughout. There isn't even .00000000001% of 'empty space' in the atomic structure. To believe in quantum is just
placing false beliefs based upon nothing
For example the Schwarzschild solution of the presumed inertia of a mass can assume any value depending upon the spatial
coordinates. Inertia is pre-extant to any and all phenomena and inertia likewise cannot be quantified based upon bodies or masses.
That presumed fallacious 99.9999999999% of 'nothing' or 'empty space' at the inter-atomic of every atom accounts for 100% of the
energy released at the explosion of a nuclear device, NOT the conversion of any matter into energy. If this does not define inertia for
you as being wholly separate from phenomena, then nothing will. As such, from the idiocy of Einstein and others 100% of "nothing"
is in fact responsible for 100% of the power and energy released in a nuclear blast. As per wisdom, the world still exists deep in the
dark. Here we can see that the general theory of insanity as posited by Einstein and parroted by others as per "inertial mass" (a pure
contradiction) depends upon the spatial dimensional coordinates of that mass and therefore has no ultimate meaning whatsoever.
Likewise therefore the assertion of the equivalency of mass and inertia is purely insane and wholly untrue. Inertia has neither
magnitude, space, nor direction, only divergent magnetic fields do. This magnetism is movement, is phenomena, is discharge. What is
potential, inertia, goes unseen and unknown and is without measure in the absolute sense and as the Absolute. The 'unspooling' of
counterspatial inertia in discharge as magnetism, just like a spring unwinding creates space, this space is movement, is motion. All that
presumed 'empty space' is a motional after-shock of inertia in discharge, waiting to be voided. All motion, all space must terminate
and end, even if it persists for an incalculable seeming eternity, it will terminate in reversal, the movement (spatial reversal) into
counterspace. What is potential is not actual. What is actual or actualized is the unspooling of potential and the 'winding' up of
movement. Motion and space are both (one and the same) the mirage of inertia in phenomenal actualization
The most insane premise of all atomic models, either the debunked 'cloud' model or the planetary model both, is their mutual
vociferous agreement that "most of an atom is 99.999999% empty space" (between the nucleus and the charged(ing) boundaries). This
cannot be enjoined, logically or experimentally and is contrary to all observed phenomena and experimentation. Between the nucleus
and the charging boundaries is the spatial and counterspatial 'air' (Ether), which, analogously, props up the highly stable (in most
cases) atomic structure, that being magnetism and the dielectricity. The rotary inner vortexes inside (rather between) the atomic
'sphere' (complex atomic geometries actually) is a micro-turbine which induces charge, discharges, has capacitance, inductance, and
has counter-to-counterspatial magnetism to prevent complete atomic dismemberment.
The atomic radius of different elements is specifically related to the magnetic-dielectric pressures within the atomic geometry. The
larger noble gasses have greater internal magnetism, low dielectricity and resultantly have very low reactivity with other elements.
The nucleal and the geometric charged (discharging) boundaries are atomic terminals, like a battery. Electrification affects this spatialcounterspatial
geometry and likewise affects the spatial magnetism within it. Even in the 'encapsulated balloon' model of the atom of
QM, the supposed 'balloon' has no 'air'. The particle theory of atomic geometry must be summarily dismissed; it is by its very nature
nothing more than rehashed Greek Atomism.
Do you come up with any mechanism that could explain paranormal phenomena? Is it something the operator "sends" like electromagnetism, r would be wholly outside space and time altogether? :-X
Quote from: pedromarcus on February 15, 2015, 02:21:31 PM
Do you come up with any mechanism that could explain paranormal phenomena? Is it something the operator "sends" like electromagnetism, r would be wholly outside space and time altogether? :-X
you know very well Ive written several articles on same. :P
only our modern day bullshit science has made 'science / physics' ONE THING,.... and metaphysics another.
Plato and the ancient Pythagoreans and their kinsmen laughed at such a notion that these were 2 diff. things.
100% of modern scientific deduction, retroduction, induction, and the entire spectrum of scientific investigative method is BASED upon Greek Pythagorean and Platonic methodologies....
Only one that touched on the mechanism about ghosts, but you never to. MY knowledge gave an explanation as to how it works. I mean, PK for example. Whats involved in the moving of the object froma distance
Quote from: profitis on February 15, 2015, 09:41:30 AM
What is a particle?
Ever heard of TJJ See ?
According to See, gravitational, magnetic and electrostatic fields are presented as longitudinal/compression waves in the ether, of widely divergent wave lengths. These various wave forms are of proportionate magnitude to the distances over which they operate.
He said that Einstein was "an imposter and a plagiarist" ;D ;D ;D
Im uploading his works now.
Quote from: profitis on February 15, 2015, 09:41:30 AM
What is a particle? What is a particle? Jesus christ brother what are you trying to do,drive me insane? I'l tell you what it isn't.it isn't a wave (:
Aha! Then, if a particle isn't a wave then neither a wave is not a particle! So what is a wave then? We know for sure what is a wave to use it in a comparative sentence? Making a comparison between two concepts elusive explained, lead only to further completely wrong developments.
See sees particles everywhere, only with one "small" amendment: he saw particles of ether. Anyway, he did a great work trying to explain fundamental forces through the existence and manifestation of ether. Really a great work!
T.J.J. See in his office at the Mare Island facility.
Theoro,
did you say you have or read tesla actual writing? because if so where did you find it? I would be very interested in reading some of it.
Jon
I have 4 books on Tesla and his writings and I am not aware of this?
Bill
Quote from: jonfrommanahawkin1 on February 15, 2015, 04:50:26 PM
because if so where did you find it?
find WHAT? On rotating magnetic fields?
two works
the book TESLA SAID (download it free anywhere, scribd.com etc.)
the other work is:
Nikola Tesla lectures of 1891-05-20
and:
Nikola Tesla - Lecture-Before-the-New-York-Academy-of-Sciences-Apri-6-1897
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 15, 2015, 04:52:37 PM
I have 4 books on Tesla and his writings and I am not aware of this?
Bill
aware of WHAT? rotating mag fields?
Nikola Tesla - Lecture ON LIGHT AND OTHER HIGHER FREQUENCY PHENOMENA
SECTION:
on phenomena produced by electrostatic force
"Many statements have appeared in print relative to my discoveries of the
rotating magnetic field and invention of the induction motor which I
was compelled to pass in silence." ------TESLA
NOT "rotating INDUCTION MOTOR"
but "rotating MAG FIELD....................AND INDUCTION MOTOR (which mimics, makes use of rotary...etc etc.) "
"discoveries"------TESLA
not DISCOVERY (one)............ but
"discoveries"------TESLA Like his (Edison) lamp,
my induction motor may be discarded and forgotten in the continuous evolution of the (electric motor?) arts, but
my rotating field with its marvelous phenomena and manifestations of force (from magnetism) will last as long as science itself" ------- Nikola Tesla
Article: New York World Nov. 29, 1929, p. 10 col. 4-5. To the Editor of the WorldTeslas PRIDE is uncovering the nature (AND USE OF) rotating mag fields......
...he outright admits his induction motor likely WILL be shit-canned sometime in the future.......but NEVER his "rotating field discovery"
Do you know how P.kinesis, telekinesis works?
Tesla's rotating magnetic field has nothing to do with your "magnetic vortex" fiction. If you put a bunch of LEDs in a circle and then light one of them up at a time, sequentially around the circle, you could describe that as a "rotating light", and it is in just that sense that Tesla meant and used rotating magnetic fields.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 15, 2015, 07:05:44 PM
Tesla's rotating magnetic field has nothing to do with your "magnetic vortex" fiction. If you put a bunch of LEDs in a circle and then light one of them up at a time, sequentially around the circle, you could describe that as a "rotating light", and it is in just that sense that Tesla meant and used rotating magnetic fields.
Nice attempt, FUCK HEAD
when IN FACT the Ferrocell will show the SAME using 1, 2, or 3 lights. ;D ;D ;D
You dont even know the definition of "VORTEX" , its not a magic term, son.
Ohh, look, i pulled the drain on the TUB, .....look, a water vortex! ;D
AND, the lights (LED or otherwise) do NOT have to be in a circle
NOR need there be MANY of them.
How now brown cow :o ;D ;D ;D
Youre outta your league
ive got 4 other testing methods to prove a magnetic vortex unrelated to the Ferrocell, including my special nano-suspension.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 15, 2015, 07:05:44 PM
Tesla's rotating magnetic field has nothing to do with your "magnetic vortex"
Tell me what is ROTATING around a magnet son!!!
a FIELD !!!!!???
Tell me son, ....has GR or QM EVER defined a FIELD? :o :o ;D ;D ..........
..NEVER
I dont give a shit if you said SPIN, ROTATE, or VORTEX ;D
Its
1. PARTICLE FREE
2. A FIELD
and 1 and 2 are outside the comprehension of ATOMISTS . To them, such things are impossible ;D
I think is should be understood by now that all life is just waves. 'Female' and 'male' waves. So there has to be this 'code' that makes one wave be attracted to the other. Why would a wave NOT be attracted to another wave if there was no 'attraction'? The miseries of life eh!
Now we are getting to the quantum level. Waves! All geometrical. Since if a wave is crippled, it would not be able to transfer the message. And then to every wave there is an equal an opposite wave. Like a relationship to make kids. So waves MUST make little wave kids. I mean I have to imagine that because how else would a wave continue on waving? If a wave is about to die, as if the wave has some sort of 'genetic' code to keep on waving along. With the help of the 'dark matter', how would it continue on waving?
So for every yellow color there is an opposite of yellow in the 'dark space'. Since the only reason there is yellow color is due with the help of the dark space wave merging with the eye sight waves and all waves being precess by the brain mutually as saying that's yellow and not purple, the color only lies on the interpreting waves.
Is there are yellow color waves right next to blue color waves, in the receptors, they will still be their own colors. That means that all color waves in the rainbows are always crossing each other. But they already have a 'code' that it does not matter what they cross, their waves will always be only one color based on the perception of the eyes sight. Since a yellow color to a human might not be yellow for for a dog which might just be gray. So the color yellow only exists on the one that interprets the color....what!
Hey that's what is happening. A blind person/animal will never detect the color yellow....like a bat. The bat will never detect the color yellow. The yellow waves will just fly by it. But what I firmly believe is that the echo of a yellow color gives out a distinctive sound wave.
I have a gut wrenching feeling that our human wave bodies communicate with these waves. How can I walk where ever with my free will wants on a geometrical world surface? Unless me walking all over the place I want on the surface of the earth is still geometrical waves no matter where I move.
Ohhhh, never mind for thinking, everything has been figured out! lol
ps. excuse my english.
TA, I'm king of seeing everything as a vortex. I'm king of seeing all waves vortexing. Is not just magnetic fields but everything. Our milky way is supposedly being eaten by a black hole in the center. So I ask myself, if the milky way a vortex, what keeps on feeding the vortex if we are still alive? My logistic way of looking at it is that is has to be some tipe of drak matter wave that sacrifices itselt to keep on the milky way living longer. Because if nothing was stading in the way of the 'black' hole the milky way would have being sucked in a matter of seconds due to the 'black holes'" 'suction.
Still if there is a 'black hole' in the center of the milky way, there has to be a 'white' hole (opposite wave).
Magnetic forces are ONLY perceived by eye sight. Which is only our eye waves being able to perceived. Hard to explain but just when you know that the ears are blind to the eyes and the eyes are deaf to the ears is when things start to make sense. I cannot see with my ears and I cannot hear with my eyes. I can only see and hear when both ear and eye perceptions come to the center of a wave. Hard to explain. But if I was blind and deaf, I would not know anything.
If a photon cannot be brought to rest there's no way to know if it
had rest mass or not!
John.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 15, 2015, 02:08:25 PM
I said no such fucking bullshit. ;D
Tesla mentions the "rotating magnetic field" COUNTLESS times, and NOT in reference to his invention.
Further still......Tesla followed Faraday's premise in FULL and Faraday mentions the rotating magnetic field endlessly.
I said the (full) explanation of the Magnet and of magnetism is MINE.
I see: Tesla was just UNABLE to produce such description (his most important discovery); the world had to wait pretty long time for a genius of TheoriaApophasis just to articulate this.
Once again:
Isn't strange that Tesla, who shows pretty great fondness for writings, nowhere describes this phenomenon according to your concept (especially since it's his most important discovery) with his usual details? Can you find another example where he neglects his idea? All available sources show only one main desire in his young age: making a brushless motor and that he accomplished it when he discovered alternating multiphase current. Any Tesla's description of this idea according to your concept?
QuoteTell me son, ....has GR or QM EVER defined a FIELD? (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foverunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fshocked.gif&hash=349f6dc0cf637e1ada6d7e8a813ee012421567f1) (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foverunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fshocked.gif&hash=349f6dc0cf637e1ada6d7e8a813ee012421567f1) (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foverunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=cd02ab72b43d7c872141919fdd589569a3e03ba2) (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foverunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=cd02ab72b43d7c872141919fdd589569a3e03ba2) ............NEVER
Chalk up Yet Another falsehood from the Great Genius.
Google refutes you with over 6 million hits.
Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_%28physics%29
Of course you will say, in your usual arrogant and insecure manner, that these definitions aren't really definitions. But of course they ARE, and they are used in every day calculations by people (idiots you call them) all over the world who design things that actually work. Your "definition of a definition" isn't really a definition, it's just a self-serving attempt to bolster your own insecure ego.
You do realize by now that your silly claim of the "Free Energy Bismuth Sphere" has been soundly refuted by good experiments, don't you? And did you ever put a link to the original author's post in the Description of the "simple magnet train" video that you copied and posted to your channel as if it were your own work? No, I see you haven't, and that many people still apparently believe that video is your work. Can you spell "Plagiarism?"
Quote from: Qwert on February 16, 2015, 10:10:57 AM
Isn't strange that Tesla, who shows pretty great fondness for writings, nowhere describes this phenomenon
Youre insane, even Faraday was speaking about rotary magnetic fields.
Theyve been playing with iron dust for long over 100 years now son.
absurd BS. ;D
"Many statements have appeared in print relative to my discoveries of the rotating magnetic field and invention of the induction motor which I
was compelled to pass in silence."
------TESLA
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 16, 2015, 11:23:04 AM
Chalk up Yet Another falsehood from the Great Genius.
Google refutes you with over 6 million hits.
Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_%28physics%29\
You mental midget, I LOVE IT when you hang yourself with your own tongue
There is NOWHERE a denotation of the term FIELD.
lets look at that shit LINK of yours, asshole........ ;D ;D ;D
"A field is a physical quantity that has a value for each point in space and time."
PHYSICAL????????????????? There are NO particles or anything PHYSICAL in a field.
lets look at that shit LINK of yours, asshole........
"The field creates a "condition in space"[3] such that when we put a particle in it, the particle "feels" a force."
"condition in space"???????? They just said it was "physical" !!!!! and "FEELS A FORCE"
Ahhhhhhhhh Fields are "feelings" now???????!!!!!! :o :o :o :o
lets look at that shit LINK of yours, asshole........
""The fact that the electromagnetic field can possess momentum and energy makes it very real... a particle makes a field"
Ahhhh Fields are "particles" now????? No they arent, even a 10 year old knows this.
"particle makes a field"???????????? WHAT THE GODDAMN FUCK??????? No they arent, there are NO particles in field. ;D ;D
lets look at that shit LINK of yours, asshole........
"A field theory is a physical theory that describes how one or more physical fields interact with matter."
Ahhhhhhhhhh fields are "PHYSICAL" now??????? Haaaa, since goddamn when? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Haaa!!
EPIC FAIL
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 16, 2015, 11:23:04 AM
Google refutes you with over 6 million hits...... about what a FIELD is
.
Show me ONE "hit" out of 6 million that denotates what a FIELD is
IT DOESNT FUCKING EXIST ;D ;D ;D
Below is the symbol for "DOESNT EXIST" Tattoo it on your forehead asshole ;D ;D
Quote from: minnie on February 16, 2015, 06:26:33 AM
If a photon cannot be brought to rest there's no way to know if it
had rest mass or not!
John.
there is no such nonsense as a "rest particle"
nor are photons even particles to begin with.
All these 'rolling particles' are the brain fart of ATOMISTS, pure 100% stinking materialistic goons that think the Universe is a SOUP of exotic BB's rolling around ;D ;D ;D
Below is a picture of what GR and QM Atomists think the universe is....
'exotic balls' rolling around everywhere and most of them "invisible" ones
Theyre 100% insane. ;D
I at least know what a field is, I've been working in them for the last
60 odd years, yes I'm an old farmer.
I think the ball pool is a good analogy, ultimately we're all made up of
tiny spinning balls, I've even got a couple myself.
I know all about horse manure too! We have great big hoses and they
do massive piles of the stuff.
Question is when will we see the world educated with your teachings.
There'll be a lot of books to burn so to speak. I wonder if in another 100
years will someone, like yourself be saying that feeble minded Wheeler
just as you're forever going on about Einstein?
John.
Quote from: minnie on February 16, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
I at least know what a field is, I've been working in them for the last
60 odd years, yes I'm an old farmer.
A dirt farmer are you. Yeah, youre a smart one arent you.
Now tell us what a (real) FIELD is ;D
You have overalls and a pig pen too?
Quote from: minnie on February 16, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
I wonder if in another 100 years will someone, like yourself be saying that feeble minded Wheeler
just as you're forever going on about Einstein?
I assume you think you could debate me on this or most any intelligent topic? ;D
You've got no chance, further still you know thats the case.
back to shoveling your horse shit and slopping your hogs. Try not to use your brain, it causes smoke. ;D
At the end of the day the farmers are about the most important folk going.
With all your theories TheoriaApophasis you ain't goin' to get far without a
bit of grub in ya belly!
John.
Quote from: minnie on February 16, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
At the end of the day the farmers are about the most important folk going.
With all your theories TheoriaApophasis you ain't goin' to get far without a
bit of grub in ya belly!
John.
Amen Brother. Well said.
Bill
Quote from: minnie on February 16, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
At the end of the day the farmers are about the most important folk going.
yes, the world needs them.....
and garbage collectors,....
and maids...
truck drivers....
and morticians...
........and other mindless grunt labor left for the working class
we used to have slaves do that MINDLESS CRAP......
.....now we got YOU ;D ;D ;D ;DU must B proud.
Magnetvortex clips...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3vid0m14fzddkve/Principles%20of%20Magnetic%20Energy.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3vid0m14fzddkve/Principles%20of%20Magnetic%20Energy.pdf)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcks2fcpHUk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcks2fcpHUk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWOKefrcpAg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWOKefrcpAg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3APFKaoJNw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3APFKaoJNw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsDiJqs3gQo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsDiJqs3gQo)
Acca...
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsDiJqs3gQo)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mtncdzcss0nsreo/Laws%20of%20Physics%20and%20Magnetic%20Energy.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mtncdzcss0nsreo/Laws%20of%20Physics%20and%20Magnetic%20Energy.pdf)
Come on guys, let's stop posting shit. I'm sick of being told in my cell phone there are new answers, to read some uninterestind crap
Theoria Apophasis: Would you agree with these definitions for the numerical side of existence:
Digital energy of high organizational potential
And also that this "digital energy" in your system would be dielectricity?
look at this guy playing an instrument he says is similar to binary computer code:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5JZFx6rIlY
I DON'T KNOW IF HE PLAYS IT THIS WAY ON PURPOSE, BUT IT SOUNDS JUST LIKE AN OLD COMPUTER READING ROM. TAAAN, TATTATA... TAAANNTATANTNANTTAAN... TAAN
Quote from: Acca on February 16, 2015, 04:16:12 PM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mtncdzcss0nsreo/Laws%20of%20Physics%20and%20Magnetic%20Energy.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mtncdzcss0nsreo/Laws%20of%20Physics%20and%20Magnetic%20Energy.pdf)
all hail ACCA
;D
Quote from: MarkE on February 11, 2015, 05:17:06 AM
Everytime TK displays a waveform on one of his analog scopes the display is a result of the phosphor being excited supposedly by electrons crashing into the phosphor.
Those are particle-like behaviors. But then the little devils also exhibit very wave-like behaviors.
Wow, dumb.
DIELECTRIC pulses exciting over-peak capacitance and resultantly RELEASING light is not due to flying BB' (particles) ;D ;D ;D
by such INSANE "logic", someone whipping a horse with a horsewhip is the "discharge of particles". Our entire insane goddamn world is caught up in this BS :: "wave like ~~~~~~ particles like ---------wave like ~~~~~~ particles like ---------wave like ~~~~~~ particles like ---------wave like ~~~~~~ particles like ---------"
Pure fucking insanity of high magnitude. ;D
The "wave packet" nonsense is 100% due to human stupidity to grasp a CIRCUIT....... Transverse EM around a longitudinal dielectric pulse reciprocal to frequency.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 16, 2015, 03:56:12 PM
yes, the world needs them.....
and garbage collectors,....
and maids...
truck drivers....
and morticians...
........and other mindless grunt labor left for the working class
we used to have slaves do that MINDLESS CRAP......
.....now we got YOU ;D ;D ;D ;D
U must B proud.
I want to thank Minnie for being a farmer and I have infinite respect for his life's work. He deserves to be proud of his hard work and contribution to society. Farming in this day and age is a very sophisticated endeavour.
Meanwhile, Kenny, this entire thread is just a fantasy thread. I believe that if you tried to present your ideas to a bunch of scientists and engineers you would croak. If they posed serious questions to you to back up your claims you would croak. If they asked you to demonstrate how your theories explain observations or solve practical applications you would croak.
I believe that you would storm out of your presentation laptop in hand scowling and swearing at the people you were trying to present to. Your ideas are in the same class as "Rodin 'mathematics'" and will go nowhere.
That's just my once-in-a-while reminder to the readers of this thread that in my opinion there is no value in what you state. Scowl away, it will not make a difference in the final analysis. In five years time you and your incorrect ideas will be totally forgotten.
This is just a reality check for the readers. The truth is quite important so it's worth the reminder.
Quote from: MileHigh on February 16, 2015, 04:40:58 PM
this entire thread is just a fantasy thread.
Yes, you talked much there,....
. but SAID NOTHING ;D100% indicative of a strawman fallacy diversion
You have nothing to contribute on the topic of this thread, NOR anything in refutation of same. ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on February 16, 2015, 04:40:58 PM
I want to thank Minnie for being a farmer and I have infinite respect for his life's work.
You should JOIN HIM digging in the dirt ;D
it fits your intellectual skill set 100%
send me some of your famous potatoes when theyre fully grown
Answer my post, kenneth.
Why devote so much attention to mile high? I have honest questions.
Do you have so much questions that you have to resort to lookout skeptics to point out your mistakes?
I bet you learn a lot from him.
Since Kenny has so little respect for farmers, I suggest that he not use any products produced by them.
Otherwise, his hypocrisy will be stinking to high heaven, just like his plagiarism and his "theory".
Kenny:
I asked you to explain the black void in the center of the CRT monitor when you did your experiments with the magnets and you couldn't explain it.
I asked you to explain why you see a partial reflection in a pane of glass and you couldn't explain it.
Those two litmus test questions clearly showed that you have no foundation of knowledge with respect to this subject matter, the emperor has no clothes. So it's like you have invented a bunch of false notions about magnetic fields but in reality it's all a house of cards on the verge of collapse. It's just like the case of EMJunkie not being able to solve a question about an electronic circuit that consisted of one lousy component and yet he was here to convince us that you could build an over unity transformer. He left in a whimper with none of his claims being true. He made a bunch of claims about electronics and it quickly became readily apparent that he barely even understood the simplest electronics concepts. A very similar narrative applies in your case.
Just a reality check and you can go ahead and do your thing.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on February 16, 2015, 05:11:14 PM
Kenny:
I asked you to explain the black void in the center of the CRT monitor when you did your experiments with the magnets and you couldn't explain it.
I asked you to explain why you see a partial reflection in a pane of glass and you couldn't explain it.
Those two litmus test questions clearly showed that you have no foundation of knowledge with respect to this subject matter, the emperor has no clothes. So it's like you have invented a bunch of false notions about magnetic fields but in reality it's all a house of cards on the verge of collapse. It's just like the case of EMJunkie not being able to solve a question about an electronic circuit that consisted of one lousy component and yet he was here to convince us that you could build an over unity transformer. He left in a whimper with none of his claims being true. He made a bunch of claims about electronics and it quickly became readily apparent that he barely even understood the simplest electronics concepts. A very similar narrative applies in your case.
Just a reality check and you can go ahead and do your thing.
MileHigh
Well guess what MileHigh, I guess you don't know SQUAT about what Theoria goes through eveyrday... do you know what its like to be a METAPHYSICIST??? it's supposed to be relate to TAKING STUFF SERIOUSLY... that means both Objective AND subjective side...
I know next to squat about magnetism... but even I can know THAT'S A COHERENT DIELECTRIC OBJECT... it's not ELECTRIC... because you don't get zapped while touching it... SO IT MUST BE ELECTROSTATICS...
I KNOW IT'S COHERENT RECIPROCATING... our EYES ARE RECIPROCATING WITH THE NERVE CHORDS THAT COMMUNICATE WITH THE BRAIN, JUST AS TH BRAIN IS COHERENT WITH THE EYE... this whole system of perceiving (biological) would not be possible without these principles...
You have to understand what T.A. means by polarization, magnetism and loss of inertia...
This is a game changer for you, Miles, check this book... Science of the soul by geffrey d falk...
http://www.soulgrowth.com/files/static1/The-Science-of-the-Soul_by-geoffrey-d-falk.pdf
(its by an electrictian)
Well I have learned a lot from studying this topic. I started looking at perspective
triangles and golden ratios. The ascent of man is a truly mind-blowing story!
TA. made a mention of coherent light, other than what the name suggests I
didn't know really what it was. Then I started looking which took me to Max Planck
circa 1900.
Next came Albert in 1905 with the photo electric effect, then again the "Idiot"
features in 1917 with stimulated emissions.
In 1951 Townes of Colombia uni. appears with Maser, followed in 1954 with a
collaboration between himself, Zeiger and Gordon.
Of course TA. will demolish all that and tell me the real truth.
Nearly 11pm. here so I'm off to grovel on my ancient knees to feed a few newborn
lambs,
John.
Quote from: MileHigh on February 16, 2015, 05:11:14 PM
I asked you to explain the black void in the center of the CRT monitor
I explained same 100 pages ago son, .......nor am i talking about FARMERS in this thread. Go discuss bean farming on your own time.
Same reason there is a BLACK VOID in the center of a FERROCELL
NO CRT in a ferrocell, so explain the "black void" there
same reason there is on the CRT, which ruins your very premise all to pieces. ;D
DIELECTRIC ENERGY STORAGE SPATIALLY DIFFERENT THAN MAGNETIC
ENERGY STORAGE
Unlike magnetism the energy is forced or compressed inwards rather than outwards.
Dielectric lines of force push inward into internal space and along axis, rather than pushed outward
broadside to axis as in the magnetic field. Because the lines are mutually repellent certain amounts
of broadside or transverse motion can be expected but the phenomena is basically longitudinal. This
gives rise to an interesting paradox that will be noticed with capacity. This is that the smaller the
space bounded by the conducting structure the more energy that can be stored. This is the exact
opposite of magnetism. With magnetism, the units volumes of energy can be thought of as working
in parallel but the unit volumes of energy in association with dielectricity can be thought of as
working in series.Lets see if you can GRASP that <<<< idiot. ;D
Quote from: pedromarcus on February 16, 2015, 04:54:45 PM
Why devote so much attention to mile high?
Hes just a funny dumbasss. Hes a disinformation agent.
Him and tinfoilhatKoala-shit are both insane disinformation agents.
Ive received 13+ messages about the both of them from other people warning me about how vile the both of them are.
Theyre just funny really, theyre just garden variety intellectual midgets one encounters everywhere.
Pedromarcus:
"A COHERENT DIELECTRIC OBJECT."
"IT'S COHERENT RECIPROCATING."
Those are meaningless terms and phrases in Kennyspeak. If you are going to read and try and understand what Kenny is saying then you owe it to yourself, for your own benefit, to also study regular magnetism and electromagnetism. Learn BOTH, and when you have accumulated sufficient knowledge you can decide for yourself which is real and which is junk.
Kenny:
You could not explain the black void on the CRT monitor and a few weeks after the issue was raised I explained it to you. I am certainly not a disinformation agent.
Do your dog and pony show, it's fine with me. It's all just a fantasy with no substance. This thread is like reading an X-Men comic book. I don't know what possesses you to do it but in the final analysis it doesn't matter.
MileHigh
This is a fair and sensible answer milehigh. Ill certainly study it.
Wht i meant for those termos was... What is the eye without the brain to "perceive" it? And what is sigh perception of the brain without the information of the eye? For me these are reciprocating systems. And the conjugate parte... Theyre All conjugate to our 1 perception
<<< Same reason there is a BLACK VOID in the center of a FERROCELL >>>
So, the black void on the CRT monitor is there for the same reason as the the reason for the black void in the center of a ferrocell according to Kenny.
That's completely wrong and it illustrates how this entire thread is all wrong.
I would suggest that anybody that is interested in this thread do the research themselves to explain the two different black voids. When you have the answers then review this information in context of what Kenny is stating. Educate yourself in order to understand Kenny.
What is the difference between black void or ferrocell and of CRT, milehigh? Care to instruct a beginner
These people who design medical scanners and the like must know the way the
vortex works and must compensate for it. If it goes in a hypotrochoid or whatever
it's called there's no getting away from it.
I did find a reference in ultra thin film and there's no doubt they had a swirling
effect,
John.
Quote from: MileHigh on February 16, 2015, 06:18:15 PM
"A COHERENT DIELECTRIC OBJECT."
"IT'S COHERENT RECIPROCATING."
Those are meaningless terms and phrases
Dielectric is "meaningless"????
Coherent.......as in "COHERENT LIGHT" ,......"meaningless" ;D ;D
Rotary/ Reciprocating............As in the AC GENERATOR..........the same shit powering EVERYTHING YOU USE EVERYDAY......"meaningless" ;D ;D
What idiots used those terms, such as DIELECTRIC often???
Tesla, CP Steinmetz
Oliver Heaviside
JC Maxwell
Those idiots, right???? moron ;D ;D
I get it, youre a clown!!! now I understand. ;D
Quote from: minnie on February 16, 2015, 06:46:42 PM
These people who design medical scanners and the like must know the way the
vortex works and must compensate for it..
Correct. the
LARMOR FREQUENCYIts magnetic VORTEX GYROMAGNETIC FREQUENCY OSCILLATION
These calculations are necessary for zeroing out and building ALL
MRI MACHINES
Kenny:
I should have said "meaningless phrases" instead of "meaningless terms and phrases." The standalone terms themselves have meaning. But it's when you string a bunch of terms together into a word salad - then you get meaningless phrases.
I think your incoherent dielectric spatial longitudinal gyromagnetic eigenvalue for your orthogonal brain tensor duplex inverse function is out of whack. You need to take an anti-vortex super-luminal boson conjugate wave function distillate to remedy the situation.
Makes sense to me!
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on February 16, 2015, 08:21:10 PM
What you say Makes sense to me!
MileHigh
Tell us son, whats a Field?
Tell us son, WHAT is reciprocating AROUND that block you call a 'magnet' ?
Dont pretend to ANYONE here that you have a damn clue. ;D
Word salad BS like "virtual photons" (the current BS explanation of magnetism) doesnt cut it
How it works is, when you think you know something, you DONT go looking for answers, but in your case it wouldn't matter, because even the quest would end in failure for you.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 16, 2015, 07:25:53 PM
Correct. the LARMOR FREQUENCY
Its magnetic VORTEX GYROMAGNETIC FREQUENCY OSCILLATION
These calculations are necessary for zeroing out and building ALL MRI MACHINES
The statements and image in the quoted post indicate a lack of understanding of just what the Larmor frequency is and how it is used in MRI.
Anyone interested in the Larmor frequency might consider starting here:
http://radiopaedia.org/articles/larmor-frequency
Web searches on the subject will provide additional material to study.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on February 16, 2015, 09:22:03 PM
The statements and image in the quoted post indicate a lack of understanding of just what the Larmor frequency is
Absolute bullshit, and nothing in that link is contradictory to same. except for supporting a fiction of a
"magnetic moment" QUOTE:
Protons and neutrons pair up in nuclei causing the cancellation of their individual angular momentum. All nuclei also have a spin
Yes, no shit, this accounts for INTER-ATOMIC VOLUME in Picometers.
QUOTE:
In addition to alignment of nuclei with a magnetic moment, application of an external magnetic field will produce a secondary spin or wobble (precession) of nuclei around the main or static magnetic field. The precessional path around the magnetic field is circular like a spinning top.Gyromagnetic precession, mediated by reciprocating along lowest pressure gradients, which is a hypotrochoid.
QUOTE:
The Larmor or precessional frequency in MRI refers to the rate of precession of the external magnetic field. The frequency of precession is related to the strength of the magnetic field
Coherent atomic (or molecular) precession IS magnetic reciprocation. Gyromagnetic precession is necessitated.
thanks for hanging yourself with your own tongue (or quote)
You STILL dont get what differentiates the "pre-magnetized" Neo Iron Boron PRE-magnet with the SAME Neo Iron Boron AFTER induction ('magnetization')
The ABSOLUTE Quantity is still the same,................
HINT: There is a WHOLE CHANGE IN GROUP (atomic and or molecular) QUALITY
So, whats that quality son? ;D
From the following:
http://radiopaedia.org/articles/larmor-frequency
Quote
The Larmor frequency and equation are named after the Irish Physicist and Mathematician Joseph Larmor (1857-1942).
Protons and neutrons pair up in nuclei causing the cancellation of their individual angular momentum. All nuclei also have a spin; those with an odd number of protons and/or neutrons will have a property call magnetic (dipole) moment. Magnetic moment is characterized by it's alignment with an external magnetic field analogous to a small bar magnet. These particular nuclei are also called dipoles because they have two poles like the north and south pole of a bar magnet. H-1 and P-31 are examples of nuclei with an unpaired proton. N-14 is an example of a nucleus with both unpaired proton and neutron.
In addition to alignment of nuclei with a magnetic moment, application of an external magnetic field will produce a secondary spin or wobble (precession) of nuclei around the main or static magnetic field. The precessional path around the magnetic field is circular like a spinning top.
The Larmor or precessional frequency in MRI refers to the rate of precession of the magnetic moment of the proton around the external magnetic field. The frequency of precession is related to the strength of the magnetic field, B0.
The precessional frequency of nuclei of a substance placed in a static magnetic field B0 is calculated from Larmor Equation :
ω = γB
where ω is the Larmor frequency in MHz , γ is the gyromagnetic ratio in MHz/Tesla and B is the strength of the static magnetic field in Tesla. Note that the gyromagnetic ratio is define in different ways by different authors. See the article on gyromagnetic ratio. In this case a useful, simplified version is shown representing the Larmor frequency when B0=1.
Quote from: picowatt on February 16, 2015, 09:54:04 PM
The Larmor or precessional frequency in MRI refers to the rate of precession of the magnetic moment of the proton around the external magnetic field.
Yes, a typical fuckup on your and their part.
The "chicken or the egg" scenario. ;D
Nucleal precession is due to the the necessitated magnetic Inter-atomic volume
what the FUCK did you think was in that "99.999999999% of 'empty space' (LOL) " of the Inter-atomic volume????
All space in the universe, including inter-atomic is resultant as due to = MAGNETISM, moron.
Nucleal spin is created due to the loss of inertia, this creates the inter-atomic magneto-electrostatic VOLUME (in Picomenters of the atom),......likewise in reciprocity, said magnetic volume AFFECTS nucleal spin
"chicken or the egg" ;D
That "external magnetic field" , given ONE ATOM only , and not in compounded cases or examples (obviously) is in reference to inter-atomic magnetism.
magnetic moment is a BS terminology which is QUANTIFIED by torque...
.......However, as to the CAUSATION of the so-called "magnetic moment" they ADMIT they dont have a goddamn clue.
The APPLIED torque quantified is a given (pic below), that a BS term "magnetic moment" is applied to this phenomena MEANS NOTHING , NOR do they understand same. ;D
Kenny:
A few months ago I asked you what a field was and you couldn't answer it yourself. You tried to brush it off and you told me to go read Aristotle or something like that.
So the Foghorn Leghorn shtick with the big pointing finger "What is a FIELD?" is nothing more than theater on your part. Don't pose the question in an accusatory way if you can't even answer it yourself.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on February 17, 2015, 12:50:46 AM
Kenny:
A few months ago I asked you what a field was and you couldn't answer it yourself.
nice try, prick,....I did answer same.
There is only one field, .....and 3 Field-modalities, ....transverse Circuit EM,..... the loss of inertia due to disturbance / discharge, which = magnetism.
and the UNREAL field modality, being gravity, which is just an electrostatic acceleration towards counterspace.
there are only 2 principles in the cosmos son, Inertia and acceleration.....
..and Force and motion (discharge, magnetism).A FIELD is a particle free nuemenon demarcated as or upon PHENOMENAL observations (field interactions, forces etc etc)
THE Field (not "a field") is the same thing Plato said it was.....
same thing JC Maxwell said it was.........
same thing TESLA said it was.......
same thing Heaviside said it was........
Same thing (at one point in time) the idiot Einstein said it was........
The ETHER.
You dont like the answer? (I dont give a FUCK) ;D
"This medium of propagation, the Ether must exist. This medium must be a prominent thought in our investigations" Treatise on
Electricity and Magnetism – J.C. Maxwell
"There appears to be in the minds of these (supposed) eminent men, some prejudice, or a priori object against the hypothesis of a
medium (the Ether) in which the phenomena of light, electrical actions at a distance take place...the existence of a medium in which
light is propagated. But in all these theories (the insane Atomistic ones) the question naturally occurs: If something is transmitted
from one particle to another at distance, what is the condition of it after it has left one particle and before it reaches another? If this
something is the potential energy of the two particles, as in Neumann's theory, how are we to conceive of this energy existing in a
point of space, coinciding with neither one particle nor the other? In fact, whenever energy is transmitted from one body to another in
time, there MUST BE A MEDIUM OR SUBSTANCE IN WHICH THE ENERGY EXISTS after it leaves one body before it
reaches the other, for energy, as Torricelli remarked, is a 'quintessence of so subtle a nature that it cannot be contained in ANY vessel
except in the inmost substance of a thing (counterspace/ dielectricity, the Ether)'..."
– J.C. Maxwell Treatise on Electricity and
Magnetism vol. II"According to the General Theory of Relativity (pure bunk), space without Ether is unthinkable."
- A. Einstein
"Ether is the cause of every magnetic field. Electricity could not exist without the Ether. Ether is the medium for all EM waves
from radio to gamma. Every particle in the universe is bathed in a sea of Ether, including the (so-called) electrons of atoms and
plasma. Ether is how particles 'know' they are moving near the speed of light in a vacuum, even if they are accelerated very slowly.
When the Ether gets cold enough, its properties change causing strange phenomena to both atoms and light. Using very cold
temperatures is a way to isolate exactly what the Ether affects; cold temperatures are to Ether physics what accelerators are to particle
physics."
- N. Tesla"When the electric current comes into being, it immediately sets the surrounding Ether into some kind of instantaneous motion, the
nature of which has still not been exactly determined. In spite of the continuation of the cause of this motion, namely the electric
current, the motion ceases, but the Ether remains in a potential state and produces a magnetic field. That the magnetic field is a
potential state [of the Ether] is shown by the [existence of a] permanent magnet, since the principle of conservation of energy excludes
the possibility of a state of motion in this case. The motion of the Ether, which is caused by an electric current, will continue until the
acting [electro-] motive forces are compensated by the equivalent passive forces which arise from the deformation caused by the
motion of the Ether itself." –("Concerning the Investigation of the State of Ether in Magnetic Fields" by Albert Einstein)
Circular illogical statements made by and thru mathematical 'science' cannot be enjoined: "field: a region of space... region: a
portion of space...space: the infinite extension of field". To employ space to define a field or field to prop up or define space or be
synonymous with space are all wrong, logically, and demonstrably. A field can never terminate in space nor is a field even part of
space itself, rather is a dimensional measure of a field or fields, of counterspace, and used contextually as an explicit reference of
influences of or by empirical objects as mediated thru or from a field. Some have, out of desperation to their materialistic
mentalities conceded defeat: "A field is an enigma, a question mark. A question cannot serve as an answer in Physics". Einstein
himself said that so far as his general relativity is concerned, "space (actually spacetime) and the gravitational field are the same
things", this type of 'thinking' is pure idiocy of the highest order.
A region is not equivalent to the thing occupying the region itself. Insanity provides that a field, the mediator, occupies space
(which it does not, counterspace cannot 'occupy space', there is no counterspace IN space!) or a field is in space, which again it is not;
space is within a polarized field or fields or rationalized between fields (rather reified) but the Ether is counterspace, and likewise
cannot be IN SPACE, rather space is within the Ether when manifest in phenomena or polarized. Einstein claims that a gravitational
field is space: "
There can be no space nor any part of space without gravitational potentials; for these confer upon space its metrical
qualities, without which it cannot be imagined at all. The existence of the gravitational field is inseparably bound up with the
existence of space." This circular conceptual reification is a logical fallacy, space has never, and never will be shown to influence
anything, nor are space and field interchangeable whatsoever. Einstein was a mental midget for this declaration. If it were, as Einstein
insanely states, that a gravitational field = space and the gravitational gradient drops as we move away from the Earth, what has
changed in the constituents of space, nothing is the answer. This is outright insanity for which the world lauds such foolishness
QuoteYou can get the EXACT SAME pattern by shooting light at a single stick or needle, you do NOT need slits, ......here is the video for proof of same
TA, I was playing with my laser pen today to try out the patterns of light on a 'needle' but I used a hair of my body instead.
I got patterns that are very interesting. Not just patterns that spread out in sections but also saw the patterns 'curving' as the pictures show.
I also saw vertical lines that appear from the center of the laser light.
Just thought I would share this which was very simplistic to do.
Quote from: joel321 on February 17, 2015, 01:05:09 AM
TA, I was playing with my laser pen today to try out the patterns of light on a 'needle' but I used a hair of my body instead.
NICE!
You disrupted the laser coherent (part of it) with a hair.
however PEN lasers typically have a SLIT beam, and not a DOT beam
wanna see something interesting, VERY EASY, proof of the FARADAY EFFECT
shoot a laser off the EDGE of a powerful magnet
not the TOP, not the center, but the CENTRIFUGAL EDGE OF EITHER "pole"
Quoteshoot a laser off the EDGE of a powerful magnet
not the TOP, not the center, but the CENTRIFUGAL EDGE OF EITHER "pole"
Not sure what you mean by that but I do have some hard drive magnets which as I understand are powerful...these is what I got from directing the laser on the edge. It's actually very very interesting to me. We have a lot of things going on there.
Quote from: joel321 on February 17, 2015, 02:04:21 AM
We have a lot of things going on there.
Taaa daaa
FARADAY EFFECT :D ;)
high GAUSS centrifugal magnetism (at the EDGE of the magnet) disperses the light.
This is due to the Trifold circuit of light being powered by dielectric pulses which are scattered by the centrifugal magnetism.
Faraday didnt understand this, but discovered it AGES ago.
moar
Quote from: joel321 on February 17, 2015, 02:26:38 AM
moar
if you hit it JUST right (use a tripod etc), youll see something amazing, see if you can do it.
not hard. ;D
QuoteEther is how particles 'know' they are moving near the speed of light in a vacuum, even if they are accelerated very slowly.
When the Ether gets cold enough, its properties change causing strange phenomena to both atoms and light.
It kind of makes sense that gravity is only a product of electricity. Gravity only exists inside an electric wave and does not outside the wave (the outside waves cannot even detect it). Where electricity exists everywhere in the universe. So gravity does not come from the lava of the earth, rather gravity comes from the waves of electricity. Where electricity is more conductive, the gravity force is stronger.
I also have to ask myself, about the ether. It's origins.
How can the ether explain the birth of life?
Gravity is not created by lava in the core from earth what I can gather, gravity is not an attraction but rather a repulsion from the outside! Like keeping an animal in a cage = an atom keeping protons in it's cage if I can make myself clear. Just thinking out loud.
Gravity is only being felt due to the opposite wave of 'gravity' which comes from universe plasma electricity. Plasma creates galaxies where gravity live inside of it because gravity is part of the vortex to keep the circle going. So, the ether is meant to keep the CIRCLE of life going while seudo science is the way to GREED.
So how can a MIND CONFUSED scientists see the truth when their mind is corrupt! It can't. It can only teach corruption because their mind has learned that corruption = money.
Yara yara yara....at any rate TA, lets dig deeper. What is the ether?
There are a lot of people that are confused. We can see that. Now lest understand the ether! If I look at an onion, the onion has layers. In the very center it's the ether of the onion....BUT does an ether have an ether? Or is the ether the end of the road of learning?
Just my mind thinking bro. :)
Quote from: joel321 on February 17, 2015, 02:59:08 AM
What is the ether?
Inertia. Short and sweet answer.
As for gravity, no its not electricity, its counterspatial dielectric voidance. There is no such thing as a unique field, or force etc. called "gravity"
its just a field modality NAME we have ascribed to acceleration of MASS to MASS.
and 100% the very same thing us idiots humans have been calling "magnetic attraction" for 1000s of years.
Polarization and coherency of either force and motion and or inertia / acceleration ( like on like spin polarity , or UNLIKE on UNLIKE spin polarity).
Of course so-called Gravity is absolutely NOT a force, rather the inverse.
THere is NO FORCE involved in the phenomena we call "gravity", none.
Large incoherent lumps of mass with mutual acceleration is just natural curvilinear dielectric spatial voidance.
Everything in the cosmos is only 1 of 2 expressions, Force and motion (discharge, divergence) or Inertia/ Acceleration (charge, convergence).
Mother nature doesnt do math, and , contrary to GR and QM,
she isnt an insane crack wh0re with "mystical particles" ;D
Tell me if I'm crazy, the ether lives inside the vortex. Where there is more to be learned about the vortex since the ether is not in the center of a vortex.
That means that a lot of scientists are wrong because they are living in the vortex where in the 'black' hole is to make money. = no truth. What human ACTUALLY lives inside a black hole? lol
That also means that the ether lives in the vortex for those that like truth but yet is not the ultimate truth of life. So we only have this 'ether' that teaches us that is inside the vortex that we can only understand by our brain waves in sync. A bird brain is way out of sync in the brain from a smart human.
So there has to be something way more intelligent than the ether. And I believe that learning this is what it's necessary to learn for everyone as the years pass by.
Years after years of learning the ether, in the future, todays ether will be simplex and tomorrow ether will be difficult. BUT, we would be in a frequency where we are ALIENS. Lol. You just have to understand, WHEN DO WE STOP LEARNING? If life is only a vortex then on what frequency of the vortex are we living in the universe?
Maybe what the ether means is that we should allow the other humans that do not understand the purpose of truth as cheeseburgers...lol = the opposite waves feeding the direction of the wave if you get my drift.
Just thinking out loud dude. :)
Quote from: joel321 on February 17, 2015, 03:24:37 AM
WHEN DO WE STOP LEARNING?
youre not crazy.
why stop learning???? ;D Because EVERYONE is busy trying to get RICH, or LAID, or pay the bills, so they can get laid, and happy, and rich,
work all day to buy work saving gadgets
kids, bill, bullshit, bills, work, bills , bullshit, goddamn crazy wives , goddamn crazy children...............
VORTEX isnt a mystical term at all, its rather simple, nothing special or mystical or mysterious about it OR the term 'vortex'
Quote from: joel321 on February 17, 2015, 03:24:37 AM
So there has to be something way more intelligent than the ether.
Ancient Pythagoreans and Platonic Greeks and Indians figured that out ages ago, the premise is fully illustrated in the works of PLOTINUS
Its simplex Emanationism, which nobody has a single damn clue what the hell that is.
QuoteInertia
From what have been said, inertia cannot be "traveling" in a straight line! So inertia cannot define the circumference of a circle. That is why we have angular degrees. What is the inertia of a 320 circle? I don't know myself. BUT I see INERTIA as just a "gate keeper" of telling the waves to turn in a circle be it 2 inches or light years around.
I don't quite understand but if you tell me the "inertia" of a soap bubble VS the internia of a proton around an atom, I would kind of understand. Unless you can tell me that "inertia"in a bubble is the same as an electron around an atom is the same inertia?
Now hear me out, what is the INERTIA of a vortex at any given point from top to bottom? The inertia cannot be the same at the top as it is the bottom. Inertia cannot be static.... so inertia needs to be more specific in my mind, just saying bro.
Quote from: joel321 on February 17, 2015, 03:45:21 AM
From what have been said, inertia cannot be "traveling" in a straight line! So inertia cannot define the circumference of a circle. That is why we have angular degrees. What is the inertia of a 320 circle? I don't know myself. BUT I see INERTIA as just a "gate keeper" of telling the waves to turn in a circle be it 2 inches or light years around.
I don't quite understand but if you tell me the "inertia" of a soap bubble VS the internia of a proton around an atom, I would kind of understand. Unless you can tell me that "inertia"in a bubble is the same as an electron around an atom is the same inertia?
Now hear me out, what is the INERTIA of a vortex at any given point from top to bottom? The inertia cannot be the same at the top as it is the bottom. Inertia cannot be static.... so inertia needs to be more specific in my mind, just saying bro.
A circle is a 3rd degree phenomena, and cannot therefore define inertia (point , line, circle, sphere.........).
a bubble? Such a formation has spatial magnitude, is certainly not inertia, rather the product of divergence, the inverse to inertia.
Inertia only has one "point", all geometry is projective geometry, youre talking about phenomena as in place of Noumenon
You need a full definition of the term "polarized" grasped in your mind. That is what is lacking foremost.
but thats the case for everyone, no big deal.
A magnet doesnt have any "poles", ...this extrapolation is just the hyperboloid of space, the INVERSE of which is the inertial 'point', counterspace, ie Inertia.
The hyperboloid precedes the sphere.
A hyperboloid is a hyper-sphere, a "pre-sphere", A hyperboloid is technically an Inertial "line" extrapolation.
and the resultant hypertrochoid is just a compounded circle.
This is my understanding of "lines'.
The "inertia" at any given point can only be the same at any given point, but, as is spirals up or down, the inertia cannot be the same as it spirals up or down. SINCE, ONLY, a straight line is straight on the curvature of the wave . if i can make myself clear. so there are ONLY straight line with thing the SPIN. for example, you walk perpendicular to the ground...anywhere you stand, it's always perpendicular to the ground even though if you are in the north pole or the south pole, you are standing on a wave/curve.
SO, how many straight lines does a circle have withing it's curvature of a circle/vortex? Not to mention in a sphere.
The straight line does not explain much for me to be honest. But I'm learning :)
Quote from: joel321 on February 17, 2015, 06:03:47 AM
The straight line does not explain much for me to be honest
there is not a single straight line in nature.
There is no such thing as a point OR a line in nature, only a Point-line. ;D what???
Nobody can make a point without drawing a line (outstretched arm to make a point)
nobody can make a LINE without first making a point.
point VS. line is a human mental contrivance and not found in nature. :o ;D
Same reason the first 2 numbers of the golden section are 1 and 1
(1 1 2 3 5 8 13..............etc etc etc).
You know how the ancient Pythagoreans figured out that TIME was unreal, a BS mental invention of dumb humans?
because 4 doesnt exist in the golden section. 4 of course, being the quadrature of or = TIME.
the golden section being 1 , 1, 2, 3, 5, 8.................etc
no 4 there. ;D
Ultimate proof of Theoria Apophasis's Plagiarism:
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 06:07:59 AM
there is not a single straight line in nature.
There is no such thing as a point OR a line in nature, only a Point-line. ;D what???
Nobody can make a point without drawing a line (outstretched arm to make a point)
nobody can make a LINE without first making a point.
point VS. line is a human mental contrivance and not found in nature. :o ;D
Same reason the first 2 numbers of the golden section are 1 and 1
(1 1 2 3 5 8 13..............etc etc etc).
You know how the ancient Pythagoreans figured out that TIME was unreal, a BS mental invention of dumb humans?
because 4 doesnt exist in the golden section. 4 of course, being the quadrature of or = TIME.
the golden section being 1 , 1, 2, 3, 5, 8.................etc
no 4 there. ;D
There you go again. One can generate a Fibonacci sequence with
any starting number, string it out to sufficiently large numbers, and arrive at Phi by taking the ratio of the last two numbers in the sequence.
4,4,8,12,32,52,84,136,220,356,576,932,1508...
1508/932=1.618025751...
The further out you extend
any Fibonacci sequence, the closer you get to Phi when you take the ratio of the largest two numbers in your sequence.
And you didn't know that, O Great Genius? Or maybe you did, but you just wanted to misrepresent the Truth once again in a weak attempt to bolster your gobbledegook "explanations".
By the way... did you eat today, or just have a chemical "milk" shake from McDonald's?
If you ate anything other than chemicals.... thank a FARMER for your meal.
Or perhaps you think food comes from supermarkets?
Wearing any COTTON or WOOL clothing? Using a LEATHER belt to hold up your trousers? Have a cup of coffee or a little drinky-poo of an alcoholic beverage? Smoke a bowl of da kine pakololo, snort a line of Bolivian flake?
Then THANK A FARMER, because without them your life would grind to a halt, very quickly.
TheoriaApophasis,
it's hard to believe you once cited this in your book:
"I must state that if you cannot explain it simply then you do not really understand something".
:o Because of this, not because of your pseudo-scientific ideas, I recommend you to see a proper health specialist; what'bout a psychiatrist?
And because of this, I expect short answer for this question: what is your definition of the notion of VORTEX?
Tinselkoala:'You do realize by now that your silly claim of the "Free Energy Bismuth Sphere" has been soundly refuted by good experiments, don't you?'
Me: really? Who refuted this and when?
Theoria will demolish this in one sentence.
Mike Dunne and his chums are operating a powerful X-ray laser which can supposedly
see into atoms and observe chemical reactions and biological processes.
All this is happening in Palo Alto in California .
I wonder if they will find an electron or something-time will tell. They do refer to
it as a source of coherent light.
John.
Quote from: profitis on February 17, 2015, 07:18:59 AM
Tinselkoala:'You do realize by now that your silly claim of the "Free Energy Bismuth Sphere" has been soundly refuted by good experiments, don't you?'
Me: really? Who refuted this and when?
PhysicsProf (Dr. Steven Jones) and TinMan. At least.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2727.0
And by the way...
2,2,
4,6,10,16,26,42,68,110,178,288,466,754,1220,1974,3194...
3194/1974=1.618034448...
1,3,
4,7,11,18,29,47,76,123,199,322,521,843,1364,2207...
2207/1364=1.618035191...
1,
4,5,9,14,23,37,60,97,157,254,411,665,1076,1741,2817...
2817/1741=1.618035612...
even
0.5,0.5,1,1.5,2.5,
4,6.5,10.5,17,27.5,44.5,72,116.5,188.5,305,493.5,798.5,1292,2090.5,3382.5,5473,8855.5,14328.5,23184,37512.5,60696.5...
60696.5/37512.5=1.618033989...
Etc.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 06:14:24 AM
Ultimate proof of Theoria Apophasis's Plagiarism:
Of course I copied that video, asshole, I said as much on the energetic forum. :o
Lying sack of shit. ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 06:27:39 AM
There you go again. One can generate a Fibonacci sequence with any starting number,
you missed the point asshole
, I said golden section. ;D
Generating a series which culminates TOWARDS Phi is something else altogether moron ;D
Golden section series is 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8...........
But thanks for lying once again, demented moron.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 09:49:58 AM
And by the way...
2,2,4,6,10,16,26,42,68,110,178,288,466,754,1220,1974,3194...
3194/1974=1.618034448...
1,3,4,7,11,18,29,47,76,123,199,322,521,843,1364,2207...
2207/1364=1.618035191...
1,4,5,9,14,23,37,60,97,157,254,411,665,1076,1741,2817...
2817/1741=1.618035612...
even
0.5,0.5,1,1.5,2.5,4,6.5,10.5,17,27.5,44.5,72,116.5,188.5,305,493.5,798.5,1292,2090.5,3382.5,5473,8855.5,14328.5,23184,37512.5,60696.5...
60696.5/37512.5=1.618033989...
And by the way, shit for brains, ..............those are number series which APPROACH PHI
NOT the Golden ratio series of progression :o ;D
Cant generate a perfect logarithmic spiral with your progressive number set EITHER , MORON ;D ;D ;D ;D
what a myopic stooge
Quote from: minnie on February 17, 2015, 08:53:14 AM
which can supposedly
I rest my case where you cut yourself with your own tongue ;D ;D ;D
thank you.
My uncle supposedly has a herd of wild Unicorns.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 09:49:58 AM
PhysicsProf (Dr. Steven Jones) and TinMan. At least.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2727.0
There is no such refutation
ANYWHERE IN that threadNor does anyone in that thread even use any sensitive temp. testing equipment OR a FLIR :o :o :o :o :o
Again, youre a lying sack of shit,.............forever and for always ;D ;D ;D ;D
We commend you on your string of lies and hyperbolic disinformation plots.
Something sick in your mind is immense, son. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 09:59:39 AM
And by the way, shit for brains, ..............those are number series which APPROACH PHI
And so it is the case for your original Fibonacci series starting with 1,1,... which also gets closer and closer the further you carry it out, but never actually reaches the IRRATIONAL number Phi. Of course since you too are IRRATIONAL, I don't expect you to be able to understand that simple fact.
Quote
NOT the Golden ratio series of progression :o ;D
Cant generate a perfect logarithmic spiral with your progressive number set EITHER , MORON ;D ;D ;D ;D
what a myopic stooge
You are utterly and totally WRONG yet again. Whine and plagiarize all you like, you will never approach the TRUTH that any and all Fibonacci series behave the same way.
Got any more playground names you want to call me, baby Kenny? Your fragile ego is cracking before our eyes.
Had breakfast yet, you arrogant disrepectful pottymouth insecure child?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 10:05:52 AM
There is no such refutation ANYWHERE IN that thread
Nor does anyone in that thread even use any sensitive temp. testing equipment OR a FLIR :o :o :o :o :o
Again, youre a lying sack of shit,.............forever and for always ;D ;D ;D ;D
We commend you on your string of lies and hyperbolic disinformation plots.
Something sick in your mind is immense, son. ;D
Did you read the thread? Are you questioning the results of Doctor Steven Jones? Or TinMan? As I predicted, you refuse to accept any negative result, even from TinMan. QED.
Your fragile ego has taken over your objectivity, long ago, and you cannot possibly accept that you could be wrong about anything. But you are constantly and consistently wrong and we here are watching you crumble.
And by the way, you did AGREE with Chet (ramset) to send a sphere and perhaps a magnet along to the testers didn't you.... but you never did, did you. Of course you didn't. That makes YOU the lying sack of shit now, Kenny baby, plagiarist extraordinaire.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:10:05 AM
Did you read the thread? Are you questioning the results
What results son, I read it. ;D
There is no such refutation ANYWHERE IN that thread
Nor does anyone in that thread even use any sensitive temp. testing equipment OR a FLIR :o :o :o :o :o
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:10:05 AM
send a sphere and perhaps a magnet along to the testers didn't you.... but you never did, did you.
Wrong, lying asshole, I agreed to give stuff to be given to TINMAN, nobody else. ;D ;D
thanks for lying with us again and proving yourself a mentally disturbed demon like your pal HighForMiles.
I dont care about the 20+ warnings Ive gotten via MESSAGE about you.......youre nothing but funny and a stooge. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 09:52:50 AM
you missed the point asshole, I said golden section. ;D
Generating a series which culminates TOWARDS Phi is something else altogether moron ;D
Golden section series is 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8...........
But thanks for lying once again, demented moron.
Better check your math, Kenny baby. Every Fibonacci series does the same thing, including your original one: IT
APPROACHES THE GOLDEN SECTION ratio of Phi. 1.618 is only an approximation of the Golden Section, look it up.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:17:33 AM
Better check your math, Kenny baby. Every Fibonacci series does the same thing, including your original one: IT APPROACHES THE GOLDEN SECTION ratio of Phi. 1.618 is only an approximation of the Golden Section, look it up.
Better check your math, asshole, approaching 1.618033......... via a random string is not :
1. natural progression from 1, which IS what defines the Golden section
2. NOR can same produce a natural logarithmic spiral
try again on something more your speed down the line, moron.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 09:50:35 AM
Of course I copied that video, asshole, I said as much on the energetic forum. :o
Lying sack of shit. ;D
You did not include a reference or credit anywhere on your copy and posting of the video on YT. If one looks at the index listing it says "by Theoria Apophasis". People here believed that it was your work, people on EF believed that it was your work, until you finally were pressed to ADMIT that you copied it. A plagiarist is still a plagiarist even after admitting the plagiarism.
You have lied about your work and misrepresented the work of others many times here, Kenny baby, and it's obvious to all who read here who is telling the truth and who isn't.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:07:32 AM
never actually reaches the IRRATIONAL number Phi.
Its called an INCOMMENSURABLE (Aoristos, in the Greek) Natural progression, son.
and its 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, ..........Another series which APPROACHES PHI (1.618033) is NOT a natural ratio FROM 1,
which approaches the ratio of 1 to PHI
But, youre an idiot, and thats over your head. :o ;D ;D
I see youre drunk again, you arrogant child
Two acquaintances of yours told me via MESSAGE you were a miserable alcoholic,........... now its very visible. ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 10:20:23 AM
Better check your math, asshole, approaching 1.618033......... via a random string is not :
1. natural progression from 1, which IS what defines the Golden section
2. NOR can same produce a natural logarithmic spiral
try again on something more your speed down the line, moron.
A Fibonacci sequence is NOT a random string, baby Kenny. Every one is generated by exactly the same rule that generates the 1,1,... string you originally cited, the ONLY difference is the starting number. And they all will generate logarithmic spirals if you plot them geometrically, and they ALL approach Phi increasingly accurately the further you string them out.
You are losing this argument, Kenny baby, just digging yourself in deeper and deeper in your own filthy emissions.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 10:23:41 AM
Its called an INCOMMENSURABLE (Aoristos, in the Greek) Natural progression, son.
and its 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, ..........
I see youre drunk again, you arrogant child
Two acquaintances of yours told me via MESSAGE you were a miserable alcoholic,........... now its very visible. ;D ;D
That accusation is utterly FALSE, dear Kenny baby. I'm neither miserable nor an alcoholic and you cannot support that accusation with any PROOF.
Besides... it's another classical argumentum ad hominem, abusive.... your favorite fallacy, other than appeal to authority.
And PHI is indeed an irrational number. It has even been called the MOST irrational number.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:07:32 AM
You are utterly and totally WRONG yet again.
Sorry son, reciprocal VALUES of PHI can only be generated using
1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8...........
said values being :
1/Phi^-3 (.23606)
1/Phi^-2 (.3819..)
1/Phi (.618033)
Phi squared
Phi cubed (4.23606....)L O S E R ;D ;D ;D
8/13 = 0.615384615
13/21 = 0.619047619
21/34 = 0.617647059
So much for your plagiarized little drawing's "EQUAL" statements.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:28:41 AM
And PHI is indeed an irrational number. It has even been called the MOST irrational number.
Contextualize IRRATIONAL moron...... The Greek Platonists, Italians, and leonardo da vinci said Phi was:::
"the most rational and beutiful of ratios"
Idiot moron,
PHI is a RATIO........... not a number !!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o
You must be drunk!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
All of nature is "painted" in the golden RATIO (a ratio, drunk, not a number!!)
So, are you saying Nature, and "mother nature" are "Irrational" contextually? Do tell , my Alcoholic chum ;D ;D
You said "NUMBER" ROFL , its a RATIO , dummy !!! :o :o :o
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 10:30:02 AM
Sorry son, reciprocal VALUES of PHI can only be generated using 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8...........
said values being :
1/Phi^-3 (.23606)
1/Phi^-2 (.3819..)
1/Phi (.618033)
Phi squared
Phi cubed (4.23606....)
L O S E R ;D ;D ;D
Wrong again! Do the math. ANY Fibonacci sequence generates an increasingly accurate APPROXIMATION of the irrational number PHI, the Golden Section, and these approximations behave just as your favorite APPROXIMATION does.
Or can you even do the math? Apparently not, since you think that 8/13 = 13/21 = 21/34.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 10:33:30 AM
Contextualize IRRATIONAL moron...... The Greek Platonists, Italians, and leonardo da vinci said Phi was:::
"the most rational and beutiful of ratios"
Idiot moron, PHI is a RATIO........... not a number !!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o
You must be drunk!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
All of nature is "painted" in the golden RATIO (a ratio, drunk, not a number!!)
Call it whatever you like. It is an IRRATIONAL number, a RATIO that cannot be exactly specified by a RATIO of integers. You can't get away from the truth here by redefining things. If it's a RATIO, why do you keep expressing it as "1.618..." ? That's a representation of a NUMBER, an IRRATIONAL one at that.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:34:46 AM
ANY Fibonacci sequence generates an increasingly accurate APPROXIMATION of the irrational number PHI,
Sorry, son. It begins with 1
what number moron?
Its a RATIO ;D ;D ;D ;D
Or didnt you know that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi" ;D
Drinking the strong stuff today are ya? ;D
http://www.goldennumber.net/what-is-phi/
QuoteThe golden ratio also is called the golden mean or golden section (Latin: sectio aurea).[1][2][3] Other names include extreme and mean ratio,[4] medial section, divine proportion, divine section (Latin: sectio divina), golden proportion, golden cut,[5] and golden number.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio
When you write it as 1.618.... it is a NUMBER. When you write it as, say, 1974/1220, it is a RATIO. You cannot however exactly specify it by a RATIO of any two integers, you can only APPROXIMATE it... that is why it is called an IRRATIONAL NUMBER.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:37:00 AM
If it's a RATIO, why do you keep expressing it as "1.618..." ? That's a representation of a NUMBER, an IRRATIONAL one at that.
So mother nature is irrational? Do tell.
Its a ratio of 1 (the given) to Phi (1.618033......)....
... the only natural progression of which is 1, 1, 2, 3,5, 8.......
anyone on here can GOOGLE "Golden ratio sequence" and see that for themselves son.
Sequences APPROACHING PHI (1.618033), is not a logarithmic natural progression which ARRIVES at the SHORTEST SEQUENCE ending in the
RATIO of 1 to PHI* Derp ;D
ALSO, dumbass, none of your sequences can produce the golden Angle , 137.5077 (or 137.5 degrees) ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:42:34 AM
http://www.goldennumber.net/what-is-phi/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio
When you write it as 1.618.... it is a NUMBER. When you write it as, say, 1974/1220, it is a RATIO. You cannot however exactly specify it by a RATIO of any two integers, you can only APPROXIMATE it... that is why it is called an IRRATIONAL NUMBER.
Sorry, my drunk son, but its a RATIO, of 1 and "X", that being 1 to Phi.
You missed the RATIO part of "Golden RATIO" somewhere in your Vodka pickled mind. ;D
See the pic below, a RATIO
A/B = A+B/ A SINCE ALL of nature is "written in the golden section" its not only NOT Irrational, its the MOST RATIONAL
but you wouldnt understand such things
Wrong YET AGAIN, Kenny baby! Each and every Fibonacci sequence behaves the same way and will generate APPROXIMATIONS to the Golden Angle, just as the sequence starting with 1,1,... does.
You aren't even right about the original sequence being the "shortest" one, because all infinite sequences are "equal" in length and NONE of them arrive at the true value of Phi or the golden angle.
You can start a Fibonacci sequence with ANY NUMBER, and after a few iterations you can take the ratio of the last two numbers and it will be an APPROXIMATION of Phi, just as the one starting with 1,1,... produces an APPROXIMATION of Phi. What is it about irrational numbers and approximations that you are having trouble understanding?
I know.... you are just trying to protect your fragile ego from the acknowledgement that you are utterly and continuingly WRONG.
You posted a diagram that claims that 8/13 = 13/21 = 21/34 ! What more proof does anyone need that you are WRONG ??
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 10:46:48 AM
Sorry, my drunk son, but its a RATIO, of 1 and "X", that being 1 to Phi.
You missed the RATIO part of "Golden RATIO" somewhere in your Vodka pickled mind. ;D
See the pic below, a RATIO
A/B = A+B/ A
SINCE ALL of nature is "written in the golden section" its not only NOT Irrational, its the MOST RATIONAL
but you wouldnt understand such things
You now are redefining the strictly mathematical term "irrational number" according to your own fantasies, just as you always do when you are challenged. You can make up your own definitions of things all you like, it doesn't change the reality. All it does is demonstrate your lack of intellectual rigor and your willingness to distort reality in order to attempt to bolster your pitifully insecure ego.
ANYONE reading here can confirm for themselves what an irrational number is, and that PHI is one. According to the COMMONLY ACCEPTED rigorous mathematical definitions, of course... not your fantasies and made-up "definitions".
And I'm tired of your lying ad-hominem abuse, so go argue with someone else, I've demonstrated your fallacies enough for this morning.
8/13 = 13/21 = 21/34 ! Only in the mind of the Great Genius Kenny Wheeler !!!
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:50:05 AM
Each and every Fibonacci sequence behaves the same way and will generate APPROXIMATIONS to the Golden Angle
You can start a Fibonacci sequence with ANY NUMBER
"APPROXIMATIONS to the Golden Angle"
thanks for hanging yourself there, pickle. ;D ;D
"start with ANY NUMBER"
Yeah, cause the Greeks and Pythagoreans and Da Vinci "knew" Mother nature started with the number 82, or maybe it was 104, or, or or .
Youre drunk ;D
The answer, is 1always WAS 1
always WILL Be 1
everyone but the drunk knows this.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:56:15 AM
what an irrational number is, and that PHI is one.
Golden Ratio is a
RATIO, pickle,
not a number, nor an "irrational" one.
You Aussies drink too much ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 06:27:39 AM
There you go again. One can generate a Fibonacci sequence with any starting number, string it out to sufficiently large numbers, and arrive at Phi by taking the ratio of the last two numbers in the sequence.
4,4,8,12,32,52,84,136,220,356,576,932,1508...
1508/932=1.618025751...
The further out you extend any Fibonacci sequence, the closer you get to Phi when you take the ratio of the largest two numbers in your sequence.
And you didn't know that, O Great Genius? Or maybe you did, but you just wanted to misrepresent the Truth once again in a weak attempt to bolster your gobbledegook "explanations".
The relationships in the golden ratio are: X/Y = Y/(X+Y). For sequential Fibonacci sequence values:
X
n+1 = X
n + X
n-1So, the ratio: X
n/X
n+1 = X
n/((X
n + X
n-1)
And if the ratio of two sequential Fibonacci numbers equals phi then:
X
n/X
n+1 = X
n+1/(X
n+X
n+1)
And therefore:
X
n/((X
n + X
n-1) = X
n+1/(X
n+X
n+1)
Consequently, if the ratio of any two successive Fibonacci numbers is phi, then the ratio of all successive Fibonacci numbers is also exactly phi. But it only works if first the ratio of a pair does equal phi.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:31:56 AM
8/13 = 0.615384615
I had to do a double take on that graphic. How could someone claim with a straight face that: 8/13 = 13/21 13
2 = 169. 8 * 21 = 168 So they differ by 1/273. Similarly for 13/21 and 21/34, 442 <> 441. But 1/714 sure is less than 1/273.
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13/21 = 0.619047619
21/34 = 0.617647059
So much for your plagiarized little drawing's "EQUAL" statements.
Maybe some inequalities are more equal than others.
Horn:
Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 12:46:36 PM
But it only works if first the ratio of a pair does equal phi.
thats where you and most others dont get it, per se. ;D
1, and 1, are still the ratio of 1 to Phi,
since 1 is to Phi as Phi is to 1. Or precisely, 1 is Phi , and Phi is 1, ( likewise phi, 1/Phi, Phi^-2, ^-3, squared and cubed)
The Greek Platonists discovered this fact 2800 years ago
likely the Pythagoreans before them.
The entire arena of Incommensurability is beyond the kin of absolutists ;D
or in greek Aoristos (as implied the aoristos dyas, or ancient Egyptian Ahorizoma) A+horizon (anti-horizonal, or incommensurate)
I discovered that secret in Plato's Republic 509d-511 on the "divided line"
But thats too abstruse to discuss in this room full of literalistic materialists. ;D ;D ;D
But its ok, thats called
literalistic anti-intuitivism. I did a very "painful" translation from the ancient Greek of all occurrences of Incommensurability passages of Plotinus.
https://archive.org/details/IndefiniteDyadPlotinusMetaphysicsMysticism
Ultimately, all literalistic minds COUNT BEANS :o :o :o
10 beans, / 2 = 5 beans.
Ultimately, they "MISS" that its all just a BEAN, 1 bean, and 1 bean ONLY. Many or few, divided or Undivided...
still just one goddamn BEAN ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 01:46:00 PM
thats where you and most others dont get it, per se. ;D
1, and 1, are still the ratio of 1 to Phi, since 1 is to Phi as Phi is to 1. Or precisely, 1 is Phi , and Phi is 1, ( likewise phi, 1/Phi, Phi^-2, ^-3, squared and cubed)
The Greek Platonists discovered this fact 2800 years ago
likely the Pythagoreans before them.
The entire arena of Incommensurability is beyond the kin of absolutists ;D
or in greek Aoristos (as implied the aoristos dyas, or ancient Egyptian Ahorizoma) A+horizon (anti-horizonal, or incommensurate)
I discovered that secret in Plato's Republic 509d-511 on the "divided line"
But thats too abstruse to discuss in this room full of literalistic materialists. ;D ;D ;D
But its ok, thats called literalistic anti-intuitivism.
I did a very "painful" translation from the ancient Greek of all occurrences of Incommensurability passages of Plotinus.
https://archive.org/details/IndefiniteDyadPlotinusMetaphysicsMysticism (https://archive.org/details/IndefiniteDyadPlotinusMetaphysicsMysticism)
Ultimately, all literalistic minds COUNT BEANS :o :o :o
10 beans, / 2 = 5 beans.
Ultimately, they "MISS" that its all just a BEAN, 1 bean, and 1 bean ONLY. Many or few, divided or Undivided...
still just one goddamn BEAN ;D
I am no math wiz but this seems like you are saying that if you multiply a number by 2, then that result can always be divided by 2.
Seems like a circular argument to me...but, as I said, math is way down the list of things I am good at. (Way, way down)
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 17, 2015, 02:16:07 PM
I am no math wiz but this seems like you are saying that if you multiply a number by 2, then that result can always be divided by 2.
not what i meant OR implied.
Rather the extrapolation of the Aoristos Dyas, or 1, as posited in nature as we call a "golden section geometry" is merely the extension of 1, or 1 as extrapolated.
I said it was abstruse,
This is also why the Platonists said they didnt "discuss such finer matters (incommensurability)..........[with ordinary folk]"
Specifically, as contrary to the Creationist nonsense,.... complexity and beauty in nature is merely the
extrapolation of 1 , or a multiplicative OF 1......, not due to some God, etc.
2 Varieties of nonsense, ala the smartest Greek minds was:
1. creationism (god, etc)
2. Nihilism (nihil ex nihilo), or crudely "atheism"
1. says "god did it" (insane BS)
2. says "1 and everything after 1 (2,3,4,.....) came from nothing". ..... Or that Given 5 Billion years, monkeys pounding on typewriters will produce a 30 Vol. Encyclopedia
both 1 and 2, from the premise of the finest minds who ever lived, are insane twaddle.
Of course most dumb people think Atheism = denial of god,.... but thats not so, thats only half of it, .......genuine Atheism is
metaphysical Atheism. The first mention of Atheism, is by the Greeks in the term atheos, which is in reference to Greek Platonism as refers to the Nous (will/mind/citta/spirit/soul) as found in passage: (Phil 26e-30d) and not to a supernatural persona, i.e. God. The immanent-only materialistic pantheism of metaphysical Atheism is an aphilosophical position holding that everything which exists is no more extensive than its physical compounded materiality; that is, that there are no kinds of things other than physical things. This anti-divinity of Atheism is the true and shadow-worshiping profanity that is the hallmark of Atheism, not its correct position that, as Plato and the Neoplatonists argued for as well, that there was no Supreme-Being as creator of the cosmos.
Metaphysical Atheism is Atheism, in true and in whole. That some who deem themselves Atheists also admit to, as they would say 'something' is certainly not in question, however these people are not in fact Atheists but lazy Agnostics and in most cases crypto-materialists; calling themselves atheists in but they merely deny God, is only a measure of their ignorance in of which they do not know the full scope of the very term Atheism. The Greeks in coining the term as progenitor for Atheism had meant, as Plato, Socrates, and Pythagoras before both, the denial of spiritual and immaterial divinity a-theos, or anti-divinitism.
Atheists generally fall into three categories, vociferous materialistic agnostics, materialistic objectivists, and Creationist-rejects. The vociferous materialistic agnostics are the mentally lazy non-investigative types who have grown up in an "irreligious" setting wherein, which nothing religious or metaphysical is ever discussed, and upon seeing the absurdity within and among Creationists, has 'ripened' (rather rotted) into the position of an atheist. The materialistic objectivist, not far from his brethren the vociferous materialistic agnostic, has grown up in, and the possible study in depth of, physical reality and the modern 'cult of scientism' which falsely proclaims either a cause, a chemical, or atomistic explanation for all totality, either seen or otherwise; these very same idiot-breeds of atheists are the worst in that they are typically college well-educated idiots who are fond speculators upon the field which is outside their arena of study and insight, often trying to pseudo-intelligently posit a cause or chain of causes and or chemistry for any topic of study or investigation, including that of consciousness itself. These very same materialistic objectivists are often scientists, doctors, engineers, chemists, biologists or other physicalist-specialists. The last and most unintelligent variety of Atheists are the Creationist-rejects, who have just enough intelligence to conclude that the religion of their upbringing is a giant illogical and laughable contradiction. These same types of atheists are often seen professing their profound hatred of the very same God they deny exists to begin with.
copyright 1-2007 Ken W.
Theoria:'1. creationism (god, etc)'
Probably born from instinct and common to all cultures through history.umbilical cord to father universe (I'm not seperate from universe instinct.I'm going to be weak oneday and die fear instinct).(Gota put this feeling into words ala 'god')
TinselKoala Hero Member ??? (self appointed enforcer (s) of science dogma)... ;D
TOTAL NUMBER OF Posts: 11575 INSANE AMOUNT !! ;D
He has posted an incredible amount.. ? Why ohhh.. Why ?? ??? ;D
Why would anybody do that ?? ??? ??? ??? ? ???
::)
Sooo.. is he a single person ?? :o
or a TEAM of Gov. dis-information "Agents" 8) ?? You decide .... >:( !!!!
Looks like the answer is below ... ::)
"The materialistic objectivist, not far from his brethren the vociferous materialistic agnostic,
has grown up in, and the possible study in depth of, physical reality and the modern 'cult of scientism' which falsely proclaims either a cause, a chemical, or atomistic explanation for all totality, either seen or otherwise; these very same idiot-breeds of atheists are the worst in that they are typically college well-educated idiots who are fond speculators upon the field which is outside their arena of study and insight, often trying to pseudo-intelligently posit a cause or chain of causes and or chemistry for any topic of study or investigation, including that of consciousness itself. These very same materialistic objectivists are often scientists, doctors, engineers, chemists, biologists or other physicalist-specialists."
from Ken's book..
Thanks for the excellent "book"...
Acca..
Ps.. I do read all [/font]all posts here ....
Theoria:'2. Nihilism (nihil ex nihilo), or crudely "atheism"'
Probably born from the rebellious instinct(I'm going to assert my independance from the universe instinct.I'm a killer,survivor/strong warrior instinct.I'm in controll instinct)
Quote from: profitis on February 17, 2015, 03:52:56 PM
Theoria:'2. Nihilism (nihil ex nihilo), or crudely "atheism"'
Probably born from the rebellious instinct(I'm going to assert my independance from the universe instinct.I'm a killer,survivor/strong warrior instinct.I'm in controll instinct)
"There are no atheists in foxholes." I have no idea who said this but it makes sense.
Bill
Thank God I'm an atheist!
Quote from: Acca on February 17, 2015, 03:48:23 PM
TinselKoala Hero Member ??? (self appointed enforcer (s) of science dogma)... ;D
TOTAL NUMBER OF Posts: 11575 INSANE AMOUNT !! ;D
That was hilarious.
Im sure TinfoilHat Knob polishing Koalaphile is a beer swilling keyboard jockey with carpel tunnel from shinning his knob to online beasty flicks. ;D
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 17, 2015, 04:08:13 PM
"There are no atheists in foxholes." I have no idea who said this but it makes sense.
Bill
The ORIGINAL meaning of Atheos A+theos was not about denial of god(s)..
rather the denial of a SUBSTRATE to phenomena.
The denial of god(s) has
nothing to do with WHY Atheists are vile subhuman savages.
rather the other aspect.
Questioner-------- lets agree no god
Atheist dufus------- agreed!
Questioner------ Whence the energy or power which created matter, etc etc?
Atheist dufus------- Dunno, why?
Questioner--- How do you qualify , ultimately, energy or anything from the Foremost, as in Absolutist Original Energy, or cause.
Atheist dufus----- We say "God!! Grant us just THAT one miracle!"
;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 01:46:00 PM
thats where you and most others dont get it, per se. ;D
1, and 1, are still the ratio of 1 to Phi, since 1 is to Phi as Phi is to 1. Or precisely, 1 is Phi , and Phi is 1, ( likewise phi, 1/Phi, Phi^-2, ^-3, squared and cubed)
The Greek Platonists discovered this fact 2800 years ago
likely the Pythagoreans before them.
That is just flat wrong. You have just declared that 5
0.5 = 1 = phi.
Euclid's definition of phi is easily found to be: x = phi where (x+1)/x = x/1 = x.
That is easily rearranged to: phi + 1 = phi
2, or phi
2 - phi - 1 = 0.
The roots of the latter are trivially found as: 0.5 +/- 0.5*5
0.5.
The positive value of which is: 0.5 + 0.5*5
0.5.
As you declare that: "1 is Phi and Phi is 1" then from the derivation: 0.5*5
0.5 must equal 0.5 and 5
0.5 must equal 1. Since: 5
0.5 <> 1, your declaration is completely false.
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The entire arena of Incommensurability is beyond the kin of absolutists ;D
or in greek Aoristos (as implied the aoristos dyas, or ancient Egyptian Ahorizoma) A+horizon (anti-horizonal, or incommensurate)
I discovered that secret in Plato's Republic 509d-511 on the "divided line"
But thats too abstruse to discuss in this room full of literalistic materialists. ;D ;D ;D
But its ok, thats called literalistic anti-intuitivism.
I did a very "painful" translation from the ancient Greek of all occurrences of Incommensurability passages of Plotinus.
https://archive.org/details/IndefiniteDyadPlotinusMetaphysicsMysticism
Ultimately, all literalistic minds COUNT BEANS :o :o :o
10 beans, / 2 = 5 beans.
Ultimately, they "MISS" that its all just a BEAN, 1 bean, and 1 bean ONLY. Many or few, divided or Undivided...
still just one goddamn BEAN ;D
1.0 is still 1.0 to the rest of the world and it does not equal either phi ~= 1.618, or 5
0.5 ~= 2.236. Good luck getting traction for ideas that conflict with well established mathematical relationships.
Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 07:56:32 PM
That is just flat wrong.
I said last page that you "dont get it" I rest my case in that dept. You're a BEAN COUNTER, and you cannot understand that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi"
You ARE that blind, but no worries, MOST people are.
that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi" , is not up for debate by ANYONE.
You or otherwise, son. ;D
The ratio
(RATIO DUMMY!!! not a NUMBER!!!!!!) of PHI AS 1, ...is that 1 = PHI
In your PEA brain, you dont get that 1 and 1 IS A RATIO SET, and also is = PHI
just as is 1 and 5, or 1 and 13, all extrapolations of multiplicatives of the
ratio of Phi, which begins with 1 and 1
(1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13.........etc etc)Like your drunkard cousin Tinfoilhat, you confuse
NUMBER, with EXTRAPOLATED RATIO, of which Phi =1 and 1 = Phi
1/f + 1 = f, 1 + f = f2, and f + f2 = f3
Greater x Lesser = 1
Greater - Lesser = 1
Greater ¸ Unity = f
Unity ¸ Lesser= f
Greater ¸ Lesser = f2
What you dont get is that the RATIO extrapolation of Phi, which is 1 (1, 1, ..............etc) is "natures fractal".
All that which idiots see as beautiful is just a
fractal extrapolation of 1 in multiplicity, which is the ratio of Phi from the first set (1 and 1), to the "last" set [there is no last, really, of course]....... (8 and 13, .....or 3 and 5 .....etc etc etc etc..)
but, thats well beyond you. ;D ;D
Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 07:56:32 PM
Euclid's definition of phi is easily found to be: x = phi where (x+1)/x = x/1 = x.
Im glad you admit you confuse denotation with IMPLICATION and CONNOTATION.
Youre just flat wrong.
You dont understand this simplex fact----that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi"
Stick to bean counting, you absolutely dont get it ;D
not even a LITTLE BIT, do you comprehend.
AND, if you expect me to believe your BS over Platos and Aristotle, then youre smoking crack ;D
Likewise,
Non-Euclidean Projective Geometry ala Platonic incommensurability is WAY WAAAY beyond your kin of being discussed ;D ;D
It is in this way, when they preserve the standard of the mean that all their works are good and beautiful.... The greater and the less are to be measured in relation, not only to one another, but also to the establishment of the standard of the mean.... [T]his other comprises that which measures them in relation to the moderate, the fitting, the opportune, the needful, and all the other standards that are situated in the mean between the extremes ----
[Statesman 284a1-e8; emphasis added].
A:B = C:D = (A+B) : (C+D) = (C+D) : (A+B+C+D)
Two things cannot be rightly put together without a third; there must be some bond of union between them. ...and the fairest bond is that which makes the most complete fusion of itself and the things which it combines, and proportion (analogia) is best adapted to effect such a union. For whenever in any three numbers, whether cube or square, there is a mean, which is to the last term what the first term is to it, and again, when the mean is to the first term as the last term is to the mean - then the mean becoming first and last, and the first and last both becoming means, they will all of them of necessity come to be the same, and having become the same with one another will be all one --
----[Timaeus 31b-32a].
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 04:10:05 (http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg438865/#msg438865)
you agreed to send a sphere and perhaps a magnet along to the testers didn't you.... but you never did, did you.
Wrong, lying asshole, I agreed to give stuff to be given to TINMAN, nobody else.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken
This is not accurate ,I spoke with you on the phone several times to set up a test for your Bismuth claim,I gave you an address the last time [to ship to Dr.Jones]
as agreed all would be returned when the tests were done, Nothing was ever received??
Dr.Jones has access to whatever is required for a proper investigation.
this was mentioned on the thread!
Chet
PS
And yes OUR friend TinMan is also going to do a bit more testing [as yet no good results]
Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 07:56:32 PM
1.0 is still 1.0 to the rest of the world and it does not equal either phi ~= 1.618
pardon, DUMMY, youre confusing "natures fractal", specifically a
RATIO (incommensurability),
with NUMBER ;D
"rest of the world"? Yes, like yourself,..... Youre counting a mountain of beans, and ALL THE WHILE, you dont realize its the SAME damn BEAN
Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 07:56:32 PM
1.0 is still 1.0 .................does not equal either phi ~= 1.618
You missed it son, the RATIO SET is 1 and 1 (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8......)
1 and aoristos dyas (also 1) are both 1 ....... but thats WAY BEYOND YOUR MIND ;D ;D
Or, so your pea brain can get it .......
."1 and the PROPERTY OF 1, which is also = 1" thats called
Principle-Attribute irreducibility "what something IS, and what its ATTRIBUTE/PROPERTY IS"
1.618033.............is what you keep seeing as a NUMBER, as relational in the set which is PHI, ...its a RATIO
of which, at which, 1 = Phi, and Phi = 1.
But, its all over your head. ;D ;D
too many bean counters.......
and nobody interested in understanding "what is the bean, HOW is the bean, why the bean.....etc"
Quote from: ramset on February 17, 2015, 09:51:03 PM
This is not accurate
Actually, i said on the phone i was willing to send same out, and that , however, I would not.
You in return said "we can easily cast the bismuth, we have everything, but wed like you to send that sphere to us"
from which nothing further was either promised on either end.
If you look back in this thread, I said id promise anything I could for "TINMAN", for who I have great respect (not that I dont respect you as well).
I made NO promise to give anything to your professor friend, Dr.Jones. In fact you overtly insisted a bit too much for same as regards him (not tinman, but that other chap).
Given that bismuth is a mere $20 a pound, its rather ironic that your " Dr.Jones" needs same given the fact that you said "he already has everything he needs"
My extreme gratitude goes out to TINMAN for whom all respect and appreciation is extended. (with no slant against as pertaining yourself).
however the case may be. So be it.
Ken
no one has gotten this result [verification] in OUR group,it was felt that testing your actual components
would negate any replication issues,and we also agreed to return all .
I am sorry if you felt I was being pushy ,I truly thought you were sending this the day I gave you the shipping address.
Chet
Quote from: ramset on February 17, 2015, 10:04:33 PM
and we also agreed to return all .
I am sorry if you felt I was being pushy ,I truly thought you were sending this the day I gave you the shipping address.
No, you weren't pushy, .... I didnt really mean that. Youre fine and I havent a thing in the world against you or this unknown "Dr Jones".
In fact, in the very short talk with you, I thought you a level headed and very intelligent person.
I will accept any fault you feel needs to be leveled in my regards as per same.
I was specifically referring to direct assistance to the very hard working TINMAN and any assistance he may want.
It however does stink hes on the bottom side of the earth and sending anything to him is a pain, except for a paypal donation.......if he wants same, im glad to make a cash paypal donation to HIM.
TinMan is sunning his heals in some Balmy paradise ATM...
we work together and I know he would never charge a cent.
he is truly a special fellow.
We were just trying to get you a more formal test which would have the results then peer reviewed .
respectfully
Chet
ps
Have a good night I'm turning in
Quote from: ramset on February 17, 2015, 10:14:33 PM
TinMan is sunning his heals in some Balmy paradise ATM.
i thought he worked 4 jobs and had several kids and like 4 dogs to take care of.
Hes a superhuman chap, how does someone like that have TIME to take a vacation? ;D
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TOTAL NUMBER OF Posts: 11575 INSANE AMOUNT !!
Let's see... I've been a member of this forum since about 2009, IIRC, and I have 11,575 posts. Many of those
were made in a long series of discussions concerning the lying deluded false claimant Rosemary Ainslie, and
many more have been concerned with helping others to understand and use their own test equipment, or to build
things that actually work, like Joule Thiefs and Bedini motors and other types of pulse motors. You, ACCA, have
never done anything useful here, and in fact you attempted to violate my privacy by posting a photo of someone
who just happens to have the same alias as I do. That's crossing a line that should never be crossed in any forum.
Meanwhile, your hero Kenny Wheeler has been a member of this forum for just a few months, and has
1100 posts, an INSANE amount, and has helped no one to do anything, but has spewed foul language
and insults in most of them.
Do some math, if you can.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 04:14:49 PM
That was hilarious.
Im sure TinfoilHat Knob polishing Koalaphile is a beer swilling keyboard jockey with carpel tunnel from shinning his knob to online beasty flicks. ;D
You've been sure of a lot of things that are also absolutely wrong, plagiarist. You even thought that your plagiarized "magnet train" would work with insulated wire.
You are accusing me of things that you could not possibly have any knowledge about. How about if I report that some persons sent me emails telling me YOU were a crack addict who turns tricks in public bathrooms to pay for his rocks? Would you like that? I'll point out that I have just as much PROOF of that, as you have of anything concerning me or my personal life. And even in spite of that... you are still laughably and completely WRONG about just about everything that you post here. You really should stick to Buddhism, O Great Tattooed Bodhisattva, because when it comes to science, you are nothing more than a naive amateur who doesn't even know how to use his own tools properly.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:24:57 PM
Let's see... I've been a member of this forum since about 2009, IIRC, and I have 11,575 posts. Many of those
were made in a long series of discussions concerning the lying deluded false claimant Rosemary Ainslie
So, you confess to being a KEYBOARD jockey who enjoys stalking people
we ALL KNOW THAT IS 100% TRUE
As for myself, I dont know you, or your name, NOR DO I WANT TO.
You however..........are 100% KNOWN TO:
1. stalk people
2. are a disinformation agent
3. and are insanely vile.
While I confess to cussing, ......unlike yourself, I dont stalk anyone, nor 'have it out' for anyone.
this is what separates being vulgar with being a DEMON and being PURELY VILE.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:24:57 PM
Meanwhile, your hero Kenny Wheeler has been a member of this forum for just a few months, and has
1100 posts, an INSANE amount, and has helped no one to do anything, but has spewed foul language
and insults in most of them.
Youre the same perverted insane asshole, who 80 pages ago said I was lying about my DEAD WIFE.......
......Upon which I posted pictures of her and her ASHES and our marriage certificate.
Yes, you ARE that vile. ;DBut, demons are everywhere, .....life is incomplete without cockroaches to roam the lands and give CONTRAST to what is pure or more noble by comparison.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:24:57 PM
You even thought that your plagiarized "magnet train"
Wrong asshole, ;D ;D ;D go find the thread over on energetic forum, I outright STATE the video came from a Chinese source. Which is ALSO why the video is not monetized ;D ;D ;D
Duhhhhh, idiot.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:24:57 PM
You really should stick to Buddhism
Buddhism? I just translate Prakrit .....Im no 'buddhist' :D
Im told that youre a pickle, seek help, maybe AA.ORG, or dont they have support for boozehounds in the land of OZ?
Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 01:02:06 PM
I had to do a double take on that graphic. How could someone claim with a straight face that: 8/13 = 13/21 132 = 169. 8 * 21 = 168 So they differ by 1/273. Similarly for 13/21 and 21/34, 442 <> 441. But 1/714 sure is less than 1/273.Maybe some inequalities are more equal than others.
How could someone claim that, indeed. But Kenny Wheeler did. He also thinks that the decimal expansion of Phi stops at 1.618, apparently. He thinks that it is a Ratio, but he can't say a ratio of what. Let him tell us the two numbers that comprise the ratio of PHI, _exactly_. He cannot.
Here is the actual value of PHI computed to 200 decimal places:
1·61803 39887 49894 84820 45868 34365 63811 77203 09179 80576 [/pre]
28621 35448 62270 52604 62818 90244 97072 07204 18939 11374 [/pre]
84754 08807 53868 91752 12663 38622 23536 93179 31800 60766[/pre]
72635 44333 89086 59593 95829 05638 32266 13199 28290 26788... [/pre]http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt668/emat6680.2003.fall/kirkham/emat6700/phi/phi.htm
You can take _any_ Fibonacci sequence starting with _any two numbers_ and the farther out you go, the closer to this NUMBER above will be the RATIO of the last two numbers in your Fibonacci sequence. But there are NO two integers that will give the exact value of PHI, because it is an irrational number. You can only APPROXIMATE Phi by any ratio of natural numbers.
(Caps so that the apparently blind Kenny can read them more easily.)
I, of course am using the terms "Ratio", "Irrational", "Natural" and "Number" in their actual mathematical meanings, not some made-up "definitions" that Kenny uses to bolster his ego.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:50:04 PM
He thinks that it is a Ratio
Golden ratio is a ratio? Yes, how crazy of me. ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:50:04 PM
You can take _any_ Fibonacci sequence starting with _any two numbers
Tell that fucking shit to mother nature, "she" started out with 1
idiot ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:50:04 PM
exact value of PHI, because it is an irrational number.
Its not a number dumbass, its a ratio. Specifically of 1 in extrapolation.
How drunk are you tonight son?
So you want to play, do you Kenny?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 10:57:29 PM
Golden ratio is a ratio? Yes, how crazy of me. ;D
Tell that fucking shit to mother nature, "she" started out with 1
idiot ;D
Its not a number dumbass, its a ratio. Specifically of 1 in extrapolation.
How drunk are you tonight son?
A ratio of WHAT, Kenny? State the two numbers that form the RATIO that equals PHI exactly. You cannot !
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:50:04 PM
How could someone claim that, indeed. But Kenny Wheeler did. He also thinks that the decimal expansion of Phi stops at 1.618, apparently. He thinks that it is a Ratio, but he can't say a ratio of what. Let him tell us the two numbers that comprise the ratio of PHI, _exactly_. He cannot.
Phi is a ratio as defined by Euclid. It is not a ratio of two finite integers.
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Here is the actual value of PHI computed to 200 decimal places:
1·61803 39887 49894 84820 45868 34365 63811 77203 09179 80576 [/pre] 28621 35448 62270 52604 62818 90244 97072 07204 18939 11374 [/pre] 84754 08807 53868 91752 12663 38622 23536 93179 31800 60766[/pre] 72635 44333 89086 59593 95829 05638 32266 13199 28290 26788... [/pre]http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt668/emat6680.2003.fall/kirkham/emat6700/phi/phi.htm
I hope there isn't going to be a test later asking me what the 169th digit of phi is.
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You can take _any_ Fibonacci sequence starting with _any two numbers_ and the farther out you go, the closer to this NUMBER above will be the RATIO of the last two numbers in your Fibonacci sequence. But there are NO two integers that will give the exact value of PHI, because it is an irrational number. You can only APPROXIMATE Phi by any ratio of natural numbers.
Yes, I agree.
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(Caps so that the apparently blind Kenny can read them more easily.)
I, of course am using the terms "Ratio", "Irrational", "Natural" and "Number" in their actual mathematical meanings, not some made-up "definitions" that Kenny uses to bolster his ego.
I have no comment on what drives Mr. Wheeler to believe it is acceptable to attach his own unique personal meanings that conflict with well-accepted terms. It does not facilitate education or communication. IMO it is basically counterproductive.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:50:04 PM
blah blah, im an idiot
the FUNNY thing, ...honestly, ............is that your enemies hold you in HIGH regard. :o ;D ;D
Of the 12 or more people that messaged me that your an "disinformation agent"They're actually giving you credit that you're
smart enough to pull that job off. I hold no such delusion that even your enemies have as regards yourself. ;D
Did someone mention the square root of 5?
http://apod.nasa.gov/htmltest/gifcity/sqrt5.1mil
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 10:59:30 PM
So you want to play, do you Kenny?
I see I hit a SOUR NOTE in bringing up your alcoholism. ;D ;D ;D
Drugs? Never done a drug in my life, not even smoked that nasty pot crap (which stinks like hell).
I was drunk a total of about 3 times back in college,........ahh those were the days.
I know youre an alcoholic, 2 acquaintances of your have told me as much, not that i EVER asked anyone anything about you,.....just dont give a damn.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 11:06:42 PM
the FUNNY thing, ...honestly, ............is that your enemies hold you in HIGH regard. :o ;D ;D
Of the 12 or more people that messaged me that your an "disinformation agent" (sic)
They're actually giving you credit that you're smart enough to pull that job off.
I hold no such delusion that even your enemies have as regards yourself. ;D
Nobody on this forum has disseminated more DISinformation lately than YOU have, dear Kenny baby.
So much of what you have posted is demonstrably wrong it's not even funny.
You're not even smart enough to use English contractions properly.
You hold some pretty strange delusions all right. One of them is that those people
who you CLAIM sent you messages about me actually know what they are talking about.
I can probably guess just who they might be, too. They are people who have no evidence to
support their contentions, people who think that I and some others are "paid shills". Silly
people, just like you. Sycophants of the Great Scientist Kenny Wheeler. People who have
no real credibility, just as you do not.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 11:10:35 PM
I see I hit a SOUR NOTE in bringing up your alcoholism. ;D ;D ;D
Drugs? Never done a drug in my life, not even smoked that nasty pot crap (which stinks like hell).
I was drunk a total of about 3 times back in college,........ahh those were the days.
I know youre an alcoholic, 2 acquaintances of your have told me as much, not that i EVER asked anyone anything about you,.....just dont give a damn.
You once again are wrong, Kenny baby. Nobody on this forum knows me personally so you could not have been told anything by any of my "acquaintances", and whoever did tell you that cannot possibly know what they are talking about.
You cannot provide any corroborating evidence for your silly accusation and neither can the people who told you that DISinformation. You're a liar, plain and simple, and you have been lied to by your correspondents.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 17, 2015, 11:18:13 PM
You once again are wrong, Kenny baby.
Me thinks thou protesteth too much.
Thanks for confirming that youre a boozehound. ;D
Actually I knew that when you posted a video of some APE (yourself) with gross long fingernails with 10 years of dirt under them. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 09:24:28 PM
I said last page that you "dont get it" I rest my case in that dept. You're a BEAN COUNTER, and you cannot understand that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi"
As I live in a world where one can check the established meaning of words, physical theories, and mathematical constructs, and you present claims that fail those checks, that leaves communication at an impasse. In my world: Euclid defined phi, and your claims fail to conform to that definition. If that means I cannot understand whatever unique thought process may occur inside your mind, then so be it. Mathematics in the world I live in work.
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You ARE that blind, but no worries, MOST people are.
that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi" , is not up for debate by ANYONE. You or otherwise, son. ;D
The ratio (RATIO DUMMY!!! not a NUMBER!!!!!!) of PHI AS 1, ...is that 1 = PHI
In your PEA brain, you dont get that 1 and 1 IS A RATIO SET, and also is = PHI
I point out that Euclid's definition is at odds with your assertions. According to Euclid's definition: Phi is to one, as the sum one plus phi is to phi. Phi is not to one as one is to phi. but if you live in a world of your own private definitions of things like mathematics, then in that world things may work differently than they do for the rest of us here on planet earth.
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just as is 1 and 5, or 1 and 13, all extrapolations of multiplicatives of the ratio of Phi, which begins with 1 and 1 (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13.........etc etc)
Well again, that Fibonacci sequence does not
equal 0.5 + 0.5*5
0.5 which does exactly describe the constant value phi.
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Like your drunkard cousin Tinfoilhat, you confuse NUMBER, with EXTRAPOLATED RATIO, of which Phi =1 and 1 = Phi
You can assert whatever you like towards whatever end you have in mind and your positions concerning phi will continue to be dead wrong.
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1/f + 1 = f, 1 + f = f2, and f + f2 = f3
Greater x Lesser = 1
Greater - Lesser = 1
Greater ¸ Unity = f
Unity ¸ Lesser= f
Greater ¸ Lesser = f2
What you dont get is that the RATIO extrapolation of Phi, which is 1 (1, 1, ..............etc) is "natures fractal".
Since that is a sequence and not a ratio, I wonder whether your gross mangling of common terms is intentional or something that you just can't control. In the end it doesn't matter much. Whether you cannot communicate due to some impairment, or simply refuse to communicate, the results are pretty much the same.
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All that which idiots see as beautiful is just a fractal extrapolation of 1 in multiplicity, which is the ratio of Phi from the first set (1 and 1), to the "last" set [there is no last, really, of course]....... (8 and 13, .....or 3 and 5 .....etc etc etc etc..)
Except again that: phi is a ratio, but not of any two integers, and the ratios you list are not equal to each other, nor are any of them equal to phi.
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but, thats well beyond you. ;D ;D
Im glad you admit you confuse denotation with IMPLICATION and CONNOTATION.
Youre just flat wrong.
You dont understand this simplex fact----that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi"
Stick to bean counting, you absolutely dont get it ;D
not even a LITTLE BIT, do you comprehend.
AND, if you expect me to believe your BS over Platos and Aristotle, then youre smoking crack ;D
Likewise, Non-Euclidean Projective Geometry ala Platonic incommensurability is WAY WAAAY beyond your kin of being discussed ;D ;D
You can assert whatever you like, using whatever demeanor you like, and BS still won't be truth. No amount of bafflegab can turn BS into truth.
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It is in this way, when they preserve the standard of the mean that all their works are good and beautiful.... The greater and the less are to be measured in relation, not only to one another, but also to the establishment of the standard of the mean.... [T]his other comprises that which measures them in relation to the moderate, the fitting, the opportune, the needful, and all the other standards that are situated in the mean between the extremes ---- [Statesman 284a1-e8; emphasis added].
A:B = C:D = (A+B) : (C+D) = (C+D) : (A+B+C+D)
Two things cannot be rightly put together without a third; there must be some bond of union between them. ...and the fairest bond is that which makes the most complete fusion of itself and the things which it combines, and proportion (analogia) is best adapted to effect such a union. For whenever in any three numbers, whether cube or square, there is a mean, which is to the last term what the first term is to it, and again, when the mean is to the first term as the last term is to the mean - then the mean becoming first and last, and the first and last both becoming means, they will all of them of necessity come to be the same, and having become the same with one another will be all one ------[Timaeus 31b-32a].
The value of phi is not a matter of philosophy. It is a matter of mathematics. It is straightforward to derive an exact expression for phi from Euclid's definition.
Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 11:32:24 PM
As I live in a world where one can check the established meaning of words, physical theories, and mathematical constructs
Ah, self contradictory bullshit, first you call a RATIO a NUMBER, then you say an "irrational NUMBER" can be 'checked and established'.
Enough of insane bullshit along those lines. ;D
Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 11:32:24 PM
In my world: Euclid defined phi
Actually, moron, The Pythagoreans defined it. Euclid only denotated it along empirical quantity. ;D
Im glad you admit you confuse denotation with IMPLICATION and CONNOTATION.
Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 11:32:24 PM
but if you live in a world of your own private definitions of things like mathematics
Sorry son, but even Euclid differentiated math with Arithmos
But, you wouldnt know a damn thing about that,......nor do most. ;D
Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 11:32:24 PM
Except again that: phi is a ratio, but not of any two integers, and the ratios you list are not equal to each other, nor are any of them equal to phi.You can assert whatever you like, using whatever demeanor you like, and BS still won't be truth. No amount of bafflegab can turn BS into truth.The value of phi is not a matter of philosophy. It is a matter of mathematics. It is straightforward to derive an exact expression for phi from Euclid's definition.
expression of what son? the "irrational number" to which you claim (ratio idiot, not a nunmber),..... Sorry, but 1 is to Phi, as Phi is to one, .......this is not up for debate by anyone on earth.
I didnt say the NUMBER 1 = 1.618033 NUMBER....... idiot asshole.
I said "1 is to Phi , as Phi is to 1".......... this is where youre brain dead ;D ;D
Actually, ANY 2 sets define phi. but thanks for admitting you ignorance of this, the Set defines ratios which MOST CLOSELY define the ratio of Phi.
Again, youre a bean counter, you dont understand a damn thing,.....and certainly not how the Platonists nor the Pythagoreans treated and thought about Phi.
You can assert whatever bullshit you like towards whatever end you have in mind, but you havent a single goddamn clue what youre talking about. ;D ;D
that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi" , is not up for debate by ANYONE. You or otherwise, son. ;D
The ratio (RATIO DUMMY!!! not a NUMBER!!!!!!) of PHI AS 1, ...is that 1 = PHI
In your PEA brain, you dont get that 1 and 1 IS A RATIO SET, and also is = PHI
just as is 1 and 5, or 1 and 13, all extrapolations of multiplicatives of the ratio of Phi, which begins with 1 and 1 (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13.........etc etc)
Like your drunkard cousin Tinfoilhat, you confuse NUMBER, with EXTRAPOLATED RATIO, of which Phi =1 and 1 = Phi
1/f + 1 = f, 1 + f = f2, and f + f2 = f3
Greater x Lesser = 1
Greater - Lesser = 1
Greater ¸ Unity = f
Unity ¸ Lesser= f
Greater ¸ Lesser = f2
What you dont get is that the RATIO extrapolation of Phi, which is 1 (1, 1, ..............etc) is "natures fractal".
All that which idiots see as beautiful is just a fractal extrapolation of 1 in multiplicity, which is the ratio of Phi from the first set (1 and 1), to the "last" set [there is no last, really, of course]....... (8 and 13, .....or 3 and 5 .....etc etc etc etc..)
t is in this way, when they preserve the standard of the mean that all their works are good and beautiful.... The greater and the less are to be measured in relation, not only to one another, but also to the establishment of the standard of the mean.... [T]his other comprises that which measures them in relation to the moderate, the fitting, the opportune, the needful, and all the other standards that are situated in the mean between the extremes ---- [Statesman 284a1-e8; emphasis added].
A:B = C:D = (A+B) : (C+D) = (C+D) : (A+B+C+D)
Two things cannot be rightly put together without a third; there must be some bond of union between them. ...and the fairest bond is that which makes the most complete fusion of itself and the things which it combines, and proportion (analogia) is best adapted to effect such a union. For whenever in any three numbers, whether cube or square, there is a mean, which is to the last term what the first term is to it, and again, when the mean is to the first term as the last term is to the mean - then the mean becoming first and last, and the first and last both becoming means, they will all of them of necessity come to be the same, and having become the same with one another will be all one ------[Timaeus 31b-32a].
the RATIO SET is 1 and 1 (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8......)
1 and aoristos dyas (also 1) are both 1 ....... but thats WAY BEYOND YOUR MIND ;D ;D
Or, so your pea brain can get it ........"1 and the PROPERTY OF 1, which is also = 1"
thats called Principle-Attribute irreducibility "what something IS, and what its ATTRIBUTE/PROPERTY IS"
1.618033.............is what you keep seeing as a NUMBER, as relational in the set which is PHI, ...its a RATIO
of which, at which, 1 = Phi, and Phi = 1.
But, its all over your head. ;D ;D
Since your an idiot on the topic, suggest the book:
A Mathematical History of the Golden Number
Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 11:32:24 PM
Youre right, I know nothing about the golden section other than as a bean counting sheep
thats ok, most everyone is the same.
Further still, I discovered, ....but was NOT looking for same,....that magnetic reciprocation follows the golden ratio
In HINDSIGHT, I should have been looking for that fact from the very beginning ;) ;) ;)
Below: Mathematical proof that centripetal contracting fields "draw out" convergent spheres of a vortex-toroid, and
centrifugal fields "draw out" expanding divergent vortex-toroid hyperboloid spheres. This golden section ratio of divergence
and convergence is convergent centripetal fields = centripetal radius of 1; and centrifugal divergent fields are a radius of
centripetal-1-value times (Phi+Phi [3.23606]). Or: (C1radius x 3.23606 = C2 radius) which all together = Phi cubed
(C1r+Phi+Phi = 4.23606). Phi in the circle = golden angle of 137.5077 degrees. 1 in the circle = C1 radius which is 85 degrees.
Copyright discovery 7-28-2014 Ken L. Wheeler
See those "pretty" pictures below of MAGNETIC FIELD divergences from magnets????
its a PERFECT 100 FUCKING PERCENT% Golden ratio hyprotrochoid
(((((((If you dont know what the hell a hyprotrochoid is, look it up, ......most idiots you can just say "Spirograph pattern".... ;D ;D )))))))
Magnetic pressure divergence (as against OPPOSITE "pole" magnetic CONVERGENCE) 'draws out' a perfect GOLDEN RATIO Hyprotrochoid.
If you dont understand the IMPORTANCE of that......
If you dont understand the wonderful fact of that......
If you dont understand the significance of that......
well, then youre just a boob. :o
FURTHER STILL, its 100% PROOF, that magnetic field divergence is proof of the POINCARE' DISK MODEL
Which is NON-Euclidean projective geometry.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 11:55:24 PM
Ah, self contradictory bullshit, first you call a RATIO a NUMBER, then you say an "irrational NUMBER" can be 'checked and established'.
Enough of insane bullshit along those lines. ;D
Slaying men of straw today are we?
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Actually, moron, The Pythagoreans defined it. Euclid only denotated it along empirical quantity. ;D
Im glad you admit you confuse denotation with IMPLICATION and CONNOTATION.
Sorry son, but even Euclid differentiated math with Arithmos
But, you wouldnt know a damn thing about that,......nor do most. ;D
expression of what son? the "irrational number" to which you claim (ratio idiot, not a nunmber),..... Sorry, but 1 is to Phi, as Phi is to one, .......this is not up for debate by anyone on earth.
I didnt say the NUMBER 1 = 1.618033 NUMBER....... idiot asshole.
You also did not and have not established the basis for the reciprocity that you claim. Hurling insults and cursing does not make an argument.
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I said "1 is to Phi , as Phi is to 1".......... this is where youre brain dead ;D ;D
Actually, ANY 2 sets define phi. but thanks for admitting you ignorance of this, the Set defines ratios which MOST CLOSELY define the ratio of Phi.
LOL, this is just more baffle gab. Sorry dude, there are countless sets that have no relationship to phi.
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Again, youre a bean counter, you dont understand a damn thing,.....and certainly not how the Platonists nor the Pythagoreans treated and thought about Phi.
Phi is a defined constant. Why should anyone have to try and read the minds of the dead to understand a defined constant?
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You can assert whatever bullshit you like towards whatever end you have in mind, but you havent a single goddamn clue what youre talking about. ;D ;D
that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi" , is not up for debate by ANYONE. You or otherwise, son. ;D
LOL, sure in your make believe world you are free to define things anyway that you like.
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The ratio (RATIO DUMMY!!! not a NUMBER!!!!!!) of PHI AS 1, ...is that 1 = PHI
I think maybe you have trouble reading. Either that or you work really hard pretending not to comprehend what others write.
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In your PEA brain, you dont get that 1 and 1 IS A RATIO SET, and also is = PHI
Wrong and wrong. But believe what you like. Maybe you can have a debate with Miles Mathis about whether pi is 4.0 or some other silly value.
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just as is 1 and 5, or 1 and 13, all extrapolations of multiplicatives of the ratio of Phi, which begins with 1 and 1 (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13.........etc etc)
LOL, this is hysterical. You correctly note that phi is defined as a ratio. That ratio cannot be expressed as a ratio of two integers. ERGO that ratio is an irrational number. But you attempt to define the value with a finite set of integers. That's a major fail dude.
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Like your drunkard cousin Tinfoilhat, you confuse NUMBER, with EXTRAPOLATED RATIO, of which Phi =1 and 1 = Phi
1/f + 1 = f, 1 + f = f2, and f + f2 = f3
I think it is pretty obvious who is struggling here.
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Greater x Lesser = 1
Greater - Lesser = 1
Greater ¸ Unity = f
Unity ¸ Lesser= f
Greater ¸ Lesser = f2
What you dont get is that the RATIO extrapolation of Phi, which is 1 (1, 1, ..............etc) is "natures fractal".
Wherever phi may be found in nature has nothing to do with your incorrect assertion that it is represented by the values in a Fibonacci sequence. It isn't. It may be approximated by the ratio of two adjacent values in a Fibonacci sequence. But if you want to keep asserting this charming lark just write out your attempt at a proof of what you claim.
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All that which idiots see as beautiful is just a fractal extrapolation of 1 in multiplicity, which is the ratio of Phi from the first set (1 and 1), to the "last" set [there is no last, really, of course]....... (8 and 13, .....or 3 and 5 .....etc etc etc etc..)
More baffle gab
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t is in this way, when they preserve the standard of the mean that all their works are good and beautiful.... The greater and the less are to be measured in relation, not only to one another, but also to the establishment of the standard of the mean.... [T]his other comprises that which measures them in relation to the moderate, the fitting, the opportune, the needful, and all the other standards that are situated in the mean between the extremes ---- [Statesman 284a1-e8; emphasis added].
A:B = C:D = (A+B) : (C+D) = (C+D) : (A+B+C+D)
Two things cannot be rightly put together without a third; there must be some bond of union between them. ...and the fairest bond is that which makes the most complete fusion of itself and the things which it combines, and proportion (analogia) is best adapted to effect such a union. For whenever in any three numbers, whether cube or square, there is a mean, which is to the last term what the first term is to it, and again, when the mean is to the first term as the last term is to the mean - then the mean becoming first and last, and the first and last both becoming means, they will all of them of necessity come to be the same, and having become the same with one another will be all one ------[Timaeus 31b-32a].
the RATIO SET is 1 and 1 (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8......)
1 and aoristos dyas (also 1) are both 1 ....... but thats WAY BEYOND YOUR MIND ;D ;D
Or, so your pea brain can get it ........"1 and the PROPERTY OF 1, which is also = 1"
thats called Principle-Attribute irreducibility "what something IS, and what its ATTRIBUTE/PROPERTY IS"
1.618033.............is what you keep seeing as a NUMBER, as relational in the set which is PHI, ...its a RATIO
of which, at which, 1 = Phi, and Phi = 1.
But, its all over your head. ;D ;D
Since your an idiot on the topic, suggest the book:
A Mathematical History of the Golden Number
If that book represents the basis of your incorrect assertions, then I think I will pass. A bit more seriously: Do you drop acid before you post? What motivates you to write the insane nonsense that you post?
Quote from: MarkE on February 18, 2015, 01:43:48 AM
Wherever phi may be found in nature ..............has nothing to do with your incorrect assertion that it is represented by the values in a Fibonacci sequence.
Now that is a REALLY TELLING goddamn insane statement ;D ;D ;D :o
are you drunk??
Even that assclown Tinfoilhat never said anything THAT DUMB.
Amazingly you will find that absolutely NOBODY on earth that knows 1 thing about the Fibonacci sequence would EVER agree with that shit.
click and educate yourself, retard:
https://www.google.com/search?q=fibonacci+nature&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Geometric fibonacci progression in nature comprises about 99% of current fascination into same.
Goddamn, you set the bar even LOWER than Tinfoil hat !!!
What is it that you take before you post? Methamphetamines? LSD? Magic mushrooms?
Quote from: MarkE on February 18, 2015, 02:25:20 AM
What is it that you take before you post? Methamphetamines? LSD? Magic mushrooms?
nice rebuttal son. However I DID quote you exactly. ;D
I dont even drink, son.
My only "drug" is driving my Z3 BMW at 100 Mph with the top down to Naples Fl every few days for an outdoor fancy diner. ;D
As the younger generation says "suck it". ;D
MarkE, Tinfoilhat and others, not to worry I've seen this somewhere before.
It's a thing called Tourette syndrome and is often associated with Coprolalia.
Poor thing won't be able to do anything about it,
John.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 18, 2015, 02:30:26 AM
nice rebuttal son. However I DID quote you exactly. ;D
I dont even drink, son.
My only "drug" is driving my Z3 BMW at 100 Mph with the top down to Naples Fl every few days for an outdoor fancy diner. ;D
As the younger generation says "suck it". ;D
LOL, do you mean you can't blame your behavior on better living through chemistry? And somehow that brings us to compare driveway ornament time? Now, all we need to make the picture complete is: an open shirt, gold chains, and a blonde named Candee with two 'e's.
Quote from: MarkE on February 18, 2015, 03:23:34 AM
Now, all we need to make the picture complete is: an open shirt, gold chains, and a blonde named Candee with two 'e's.
Nah, thats what Italian gutter trash wear.
I prefer a solid gold Submariner Rolex.
However for $18,000 you think that fucking watch would wind itself. ;D
Am I a big vulgar and cuss a lot? In person, no. .....But, doesnt matter. I dont suffer the pains to please people.
Youre free to curse me in reciprocity. No big deal.
Seriously however, you are an anti-intuitive myopic bean counter.
The expensive watch works. The picture is complete.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnAZN83AlEQ
Tinfoil,
you Aussies may me able to view that clip but this country won't wear it.
J
Quit arguing about the math guys. demonstrations say a thousand words
Speaking of demonstratios @theoria..if I take a testtube of colloidal something and shove it next to the pole of a neo.will this reveal this swirling vortexial.what can I do in my chemistry lab to chek out this vortexial that you speak of
Quote from: profitis on February 18, 2015, 11:27:22 AM
Speaking of demonstratios @theoria..if I take a testtube of colloidal something and shove it next to the pole of a neo.will this reveal this swirling vortexial.what can I do in my chemistry lab to chek out this vortexial that you speak of
My special mix, as you can see in the video was about finding perfect viscosity so it was both NOT FAST, and also fast enough to show vortexual movement.
One item that works is ferrofluid and mineral oil.
however very SLOWLY add just a VERY LITTLE BIT of ferrofluid, and you will get said results.
Profitis,
You have to realise that you're adding energy,
John.
Theoria:'however very SLOWLY add just a VERY LITTLE BIT of ferrofluid, and you will get said results.'
I watched some of your vids and the clockwise-counterclockwise shift of the neo drop from ontop bismuth was very intrigueing.I've shoved a testube colloidal silver (gelatine sol) onto a neo before and did get the most incredible vortices constantly moving orderly flows of particles.I had left the setup alone in my cuboard and periodicly burst in with a laser to chekout for movement and there always was movement.pure silver is diamagnetic.
Minnie:'You have to realise that you're adding energy,'
Not in my colloidal silver experiment which kept on swirling whilst left alone in the cuboard ie.no temperature interference.I may do this again and post images
Profitis
Thank you. If the ubiquitous human hand
was not involved then you are correct.
John.
Minnie: 'Tank you. If the ubiquitous human hand
was not involved then you are correct.'
The hand was only around to hold the observation laser at random time intervals for a few seconds each.but yes,if no room temp gradients were present then a clear maxwellian-demonic order: random microscopic energy> forced macroscopic direction energy
The colloidal silver is based on what kind of silver? And what purity of silver? What size of particles and what concentration? All these have an important role in the results and also on their interpretation.
Quote from: profitis on February 18, 2015, 03:08:25 PM
Theoria:'however very SLOWLY add just a VERY LITTLE BIT of ferrofluid, and you will get said results.'
I watched some of your vids and the clockwise-counterclockwise shift of the neo drop from ontop bismuth was very intrigueing.I've shoved a testube colloidal silver (gelatine sol) onto a neo before and did get the most incredible vortices constantly moving orderly flows of particles.I had left the setup alone in my cuboard and periodicly burst in with a laser to chekout for movement and there always was movement.pure silver is diamagnetic.
thats very wonderful, can you dare post a video of same? ;)
The fascinatingly delightful conversation goes on!
Kenny, you're doing a superb job and standing tall.
What is little known amongst most Forum Men is that
All Great Men made extensive use of Salty Language
and were exceedingly proficient in the Art of Insult.
In the World of Real Men, Salty Language is often necessary
in order to adequately convey the multitude of nuances
characteristic of the English style of Expression.
Wimps, Fe-men and Posers will always feel uncomfortable and
ill at ease in the atmosphere generated by Real Men. It is a
Law of Nature on par with the other Natural Laws of Nature.
As has been well demonstrated within this conversation, those
who deem themselves brilliant, clever and sophisticated have
proven to be no match for the Wit of Ken.
Well Done!
Sandang:'The colloidal silver is based on what kind of silver? And what purity of silver? What size of particles and what concentration? All these have an important role in the results and also on their interpretation.'
Laboratory grade silver nitrate/gelatine sol (less than 0.5% AgNO3,a few crystals in the solution) was reduced by heating with a drop formaldehyde.sometimes larger particles formed (distinctly silver in color).sometimes smaller particles formed(black).sometimes tiny particles formed(goldenyellow or red).the nano-particles interspersed with larger particles(for visibility via laser) gave astonishing patterns and did not clump out of solution like the bigger (silver color)particles.tiny amount of gelatine was used,perhaps 1%,just enough to thicken sol a lil via boiling in water and influence size of Ag crystal formation( inhibits larger size growths) I'm thinking lenz forces upon each nano-particle also contributed to observed direction flows
Quote from: SeaMonkey on February 18, 2015, 04:16:07 PM
The fascinatingly delightful conversation goes on!
Kenny, you're doing a superb job and standing tall.
Well Done!
Hey, kind words! Thanks mate.
Youre finer than the waxed crotch of a Swedish supermodel
Youre finer than a Hooker with double vision that thinks $10 bills are $100's
Haaaaaa! :o :o ;D
sea monkey pic attached
Ima get onto it @theoria
QuoteLaboratory grade silver nitrate/gelatine sol (less than 0.5% AgNO3,a few crystals in the solution) was reduced by heating with a drop formaldehyde...
Thanks and appreciate this fair answer. I asked you all that questions because in the obtained solution will be many compounds of silver which have to be considered at the interpretation of the entire phenomena. The light itself has also a long term clump effect on the silver particles. Try to use distilled water and at least 99.99% pure silver, without any other compounds. Its diamagnetic effect will be more evident and without any doubt a more correct effect.
On the other hand be prepared to make always two kind of analysis and interpretation of the phenomena. A conventional one and an alternative one. Because according to my findings all kind of experiments that can be imagined are based on the conventional physics, so all the results achieved can be explained based on the conventional physics terminology. Even if there are strange results! Is not so easy to renounce at conventional and wrong defined terms as field, force, elementary particle, wave and so on!
All the effects achieved in the presence of a magnetic field, for any kind of imagined experiments, will be explained easy according to the conventional science by the Lenz Law. Which is just a Law (is only a limited and arbitrary enforcement), or to use the Ken's words, "make only a description not an explanation" of the intrinsic phenomena!
Quote from: sadang on February 19, 2015, 01:42:49 AM
All the effects achieved in the presence of a magnetic field, for any kind of imagined experiments, will be explained easy according to the conventional science by the Lenz Law. Which is just a Law (is only a limited and arbitrary enforcement), or to use the Ken's words, "make only a description not an explanation" of the intrinsic phenomena!
Nature only deals in PROPERTY When this is present, that is present, force and counterforce, inertia and force, charge, discharge leading to force.....etc etc etc.
Most humans only think in terms of QUALITY, which are conceptual, and relational (this is like that compared to that which is like this.....)
Bean counters (math, not Greek Arithmos!) only thing in terms of QUANTITY...........2 beans and 5 beans are 7 beans etc etc. Their MYOPIA is legendary.
PROPERTY is the law of PRINCIPLES, or "foremost ORIGINAL subjects"......
...thats the ONLY realm worthy of study
QUALITY is the realm of relationalists, sensualists who are always comparing attributes to other attributes, who can ONLY see EFFECTS, and never causes
QUANTITY is the realm of bean counters, they cannot see beyond their noses, or calculators, .......they would need a PEER REVIEW to confirm if a duck is a duck or not.
PROPERTY is the LAW of principles and CAUSES, of SUBJECTS
Quality and Quantity is the REALM of effects, phenomena, and posterior objects.
Property is about the study of the "HORSE"
Quality and quantity is the sniffing and measure of "HORSE SHIT" :o ;D ;D
What if we told the ancient Platonists ..............that humanity has currently all these cool MILLIONS of inventions,
ALL of which contain magnets, of which quantification (field strength etc etc etc) is well known,......and descriptions are ENDLESS
but as for an EXPLANATION of magnets, or magnetism,........
there IS NOT A SINGLE DAMN ONEThey would either piss themselves LAUGHING, or piss themselves CRYING. And apparently
im the ONLY stinking son of a bitch asshole that REALIZES that fucking insane irony
There is a LOST SECRET (literally so) to comprehending abstruse things and principles...., its called RETRODUCTION, its how these "primitive" Egyptians built the pyramids, and the Greeks created advanced weaponry that we STILL dont know how they did it, and cannot duplicate it.
Literally "working backwards", retroduction is a lost ancient method of discovery so acutely helpful its amazing this art is lost completely to modernity, especially that it is so quick in its workings.
While deduction and induction sift thru the hay stack for the needle,
retroduction works backwards from what is known to the answer, for example knowing that a needle is metal and hay is flammable, set fire to the stack and in an instant all is gone completely leaving the needle, glaringly obvious.
Western (insane) 'science' is empirical (typically wrong) deduction.
Its produced the likes of unicorn "virtual photons" Quantum BS, "negative momentum gravity particles" and other stuff so insane, it would make the imaginary friend of a 4 year old child laugh loud enough to be heard. ;D
Who is this "TinselKoala" in 2008 he had 11,596. POSTS and now in 2015 he has 11,596. posts ??? and only was a forum member SINCE from 2009 ???
"I mean the "solution" that will allow me to replicate the effects, not some jargon-filled pseudoscientific theorizing.
No? Somehow I didn't think so." So this is the "shill " post .. from 2008 ..
What a dis-information agent !!! Wonder-full he is ..!!
Why is it that he has so many posts and claims to have been on this forum from 2009 ??? . As you see his statement he lies, as a nut job. (or is it his job to be here ??? )
He only destroys posted comments by others as seen here.. and he is a member of the americantrollsociety.. see link below.. As I have made an effort to track down his posts across the net, the conclusion is, is that he is, in fact an agent AGAINST FREE ENERGY OF ANY SORT !!
So be warned, he or his team is to destroy any FREE ENERGY POSSIBILITY by his dis-information posts.. HE IS NOT TO HELP YOU HERE, OR ON ANY FORUM.(s)..
http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/most-wanted-list.html (http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/most-wanted-list.html)
and as to his YT channel he has clips that are NOT his .. and he only makes toys to show why it only works to his dogma .. theory.
he is now attacking Gerard Morin as he cannot explain cold temperature, so he is now throwing in attack like a rabid dog !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY)
http://www.overunity.com/6152/tinselkoalas-magnetics-workbench/#.VOWqpiyYKmx (http://www.overunity.com/6152/tinselkoalas-magnetics-workbench/#.VOWqpiyYKmx) Here is his post from 2008 with 11,596 posts already..
Quote from: Acca on February 19, 2015, 06:09:16 AM
Who is this "TinselKoala" in 2008 he had 11,596. POSTS and now in 2015 he has 11,596. posts ??? and only was a forum member SINCE from 2009 ???
"I mean the "solution" that will allow me to replicate the effects, not some jargon-filled pseudoscientific theorizing.
No? Somehow I didn't think so." So this is the "shill " post .. from 2008 ..
What a dis-information agent !!! Wonder-full he is ..!!
Why is it that he has so many posts and claims to have been on this forum from 2009 ??? . As you see his statement he lies, as a nut job. (or is it his job to be here ??? )
He only destroys posted comments by others as seen here.. and he is a member of the americantrollsociety.. see link below.. As I have made an effort to track down his posts across the net, the conclusion is, is that he is, in fact an agent AGAINST FREE ENERGY OF ANY SORT !!
So be warned, he or his team is to destroy any FREE ENERGY POSSIBILITY by his dis-information posts.. HE IS NOT TO HELP YOU HERE, OR ON ANY FORUM.(s)..
http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/most-wanted-list.html (http://americantrollsociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/most-wanted-list.html)
and as to his YT channel he has clips that are NOT his .. and he only makes toys to show why it only works to his dogma .. theory.
he is now attacking Gerard Morin as he cannot explain cold temperature, so he is now throwing in attack like a rabid dog !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY)
http://www.overunity.com/6152/tinselkoalas-magnetics-workbench/#.VOWqpiyYKmx (http://www.overunity.com/6152/tinselkoalas-magnetics-workbench/#.VOWqpiyYKmx) Here is his post from 2008 with 11,596 posts already..
Can you point to a single working free energy machine that he has wrongly criticized?
Quote from: MarkE on February 19, 2015, 06:13:48 AM
Can you point to a single working free energy machine that he has wrongly criticized?
Can you point to a single working free energy machine ;D
dummy.
As a bean-counting cockroach,....you should know that 1 + 1 = 3 is ERROR.
There is free energy everywhere, but its not OVERUNITY, which is impossible.
like most, you confuse FREE energy with overunity.
Quote from: Acca on February 19, 2015, 06:09:16 AM
What a dis-information agent !!! Wonder-full he is ..!
I uploaded the
OFFICIAL DISINFORMATION SONG many months ago:: ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLJMqSAkXEc
hilarious
ACCA is a liar and a bigtime sock puppet TROLL, plain and simple. He has even posted a picture that he found on the internet of some person who happens to have the same alias as me, remember that pitiful attempt at utter violation of my privacy?
I have a small few videos that use content from others, under FAIR USE doctrines for educational and critical purposes. Perhaps one percent of my total videos fall into that category, if that many. Each of those videos contains editing and/or commentary that makes them my own work. I have NEVER simply ripped off an entire clip from someone else and posted it, entire and without edits, to my channel without attribution like Theoria Apophasis has done. To imply otherwise as ACCA is doing is simply a boldfaced lie.
ACCA is obviously STALKING, since he seems to be obsessed with my post count and my original membership date and is doing everything he can to "out" me and violate my privacy. Did he also perhaps notice the large gap in postings years ago, when I simply did not post at all for many months? I thought that I had joined in 2009, but I didn't check up on myself and as ACCA has pointed out, there are a few posts from late 2008. So clearly I didn't recall correctly. Can you remember, without looking it up, just when you joined a forum over 5 years ago? I doubt it. Call me a liar for that? I laugh at you.
The exact quote from the post where I "claimed" to be a member since 2009 that ACCA calls a lie:
QuoteLet's see... I've been a member of this forum since about 2009, IIRC,
What do the initials IIRC mean? What does the word "about" mean? Did I lie, in that post, or not?
Now do you see who is really the lying stalking troll! It is
ACCA, who has never contributed anything substantive to this forum !
Why don't you answer MarkE's question? It is because you know the truth, even if you won't admit it.
You want to hijack this wonderful thread and make it into an 'Attack TK' thread? That's pretty funny, and it is the usual tactic that false claimants adopt at a certain point in their flailings. It has happened before, and it will happen again, with as much effectiveness as always: zero.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 19, 2015, 06:52:16 AM
I have a small few videos that use content from others, under FAIR USE doctrines for educational and critical purposes.
TO QUOTE YOURSELF, ABOUT YOURSELF--------
Ultimate proof of TinselKoalas Plagiarism:
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 19, 2015, 06:52:16 AM
I have a small few videos that use content from others, under FAIR USE doctrines for educational and critical purposes.
"the fool hangs himself with his own tongue" -
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 19, 2015, 06:25:00 AM
Can you point to a single working free energy machine ;D
dummy.
As a bean-counting cockroach,....you should know that 1 + 1 = 3 is ERROR.
There is free energy everywhere, but its not OVERUNITY, which is impossible.
like most, you confuse FREE energy with overunity.
What is the name of this forum? In case you have forgotten:
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 19, 2015, 07:01:38 AM
TO QUOTE YOURSELF, ABOUT YOURSELF--------
Ultimate proof of TinselKoalas Plagiarism:
"the fool hangs himself with his own tongue" -
In no sense is what I have done "plagiarism". Look up "FAIR USE" if you can figure out how to do it. Posting entire clips without attribution so that other people think that it is YOUR work, as you have done, is textbook plagiarism.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 19, 2015, 07:09:02 AM
What is the name of this forum? In case you have forgotten:
There are a BILLION websites dedicated to GOD
Likewise, no such bullshit exists.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 19, 2015, 07:11:05 AM
In no sense is what I have done "plagiarism". Look up "FAIR USE" if you can figure out how to do it. Posting entire clips without attribution so that other people think that it is YOUR work, as you have done, is textbook plagiarism.
Listen up cockroach, ..... youre the same mental midget yeasty crotch ROT who 5 pages ago leveled the claim of "PLAGIARISM" because I reposted a Chinese video.
In LIKEWISE FASHION, by YOUR OWN LOGIC, I level PLAGIARISM against your goddamn fucking ass.
Your goddamn fucking hypocrisy is the kind of joke that makes angels cry.
By now, you have figured out that if you plan on debating me with corrupt hypocrisy, lies, and BS......., Im no wilting flower, and in will , without haste, deconstruct your nonsense, refute your lies, and pass you as if you were going in reverse.
In simplex deduction, all here can see that you have the demonic need to criticize everything............., but have nothing whatsoever to OFFER
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 19, 2015, 06:25:00 AM
Can you point to a single working free energy machine ;D
dummy.
As a bean-counting cockroach,....you should know that 1 + 1 = 3 is ERROR.
There is free energy everywhere, but its not OVERUNITY, which is impossible.
like most, you confuse FREE energy with overunity.
Since you contend:
1) That overunity is impossible, you therefore preclude yourself from contending that any criticism TK has offered against overunity claims has been misplaced.
2) Free energy is everywhere: Can you point to a single working free energy technology that TK has wrongly criticized?
You might also want to note that Acca said that TK wrongly attacks "free energy".
Quote from: MarkE on February 19, 2015, 07:29:15 AM
Can you point to a single working free energy technology that TK has wrongly criticized?
youre confusing me with a few others here.
I dont care who he is, or what is he, or anything about him. Hes just a toilet bug who criticizes everything, but has nothing whatsoever intelligent to contribute.
I wouldnt dare waste time keeping track of anything that knuckle dragging subhuman savage has said or done in the past.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 19, 2015, 07:32:40 AM
youre confusing me with a few others here.
I dont care who he is, or what is he, or anything about him. Hes just a toilet bug who criticizes everything, but has nothing whatsoever intelligent to contribute.
I wouldnt dare waste time keeping track of anything that knuckle dragging subhuman savage has said or done in the past.
LOL, so the bottom line is that despite the bluster, you're not offering anything to support back Acca's accusation against TK.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 19, 2015, 07:15:28 AM
Listen up cockroach, ..... youre the same mental midget yeasty crotch ROT who 5 pages ago leveled the claim of "PLAGIARISM" because I reposted a Chinese video.
In LIKEWISE FASHION, by YOUR OWN LOGIC, I level PLAGIARISM against your goddamn fucking ass.
Your goddamn fucking hypocrisy is the kind of joke that makes angels cry.
By now, you have figured out that if you plan on debating me with corrupt hypocrisy, lies, and BS......., Im no wilting flower, and in will , without haste, deconstruct your nonsense, refute your lies, and pass you as if you were going in reverse.
In simplex deduction, all here can see that you have the demonic need to criticize everything............., but have nothing whatsoever to OFFER
Plagiarism is the act of representing another's work as one's own. Here is a handy site that can disabuse you of your misconceptions. http://www.plagiarism.org/plagiarism-101/what-is-plagiarism/. TK attributes the works that he quotes. He says that you do not. If what he says is true, then you are plagiarizing the work of others. If that is unintentional, then it is trivial to fix: Attribute works you reproduce to their creators.
Quote from: MarkE on February 19, 2015, 07:38:30 AM
you're not offering anything to support back Acca's accusation against TK.
that is correct. TK is just a worthless toilet bug with nothing whatsoever to offer to any intelligent discussion on any topic.
Hes a WART on the ass of intellectual curiosity and has no value. Not even to discuss same.
Any asshole that goes around stalking people, criticizing everything, without offering ANYthing in replacement, or otherwise is ,
defacto, just a LUMP
an inflamed rectum on the asshole of society.
ill waste no breath on whatever mental defects other than booze that drives his insanity.
Just dont care one bit.
Quote from: MarkE on February 19, 2015, 07:43:44 AM
He says that you do not. If what he says is true
I dont give a shit what he says. Hes a drunk.
I posted that thread about that video over on
Energetic forum. to begin with.
I stated outright in said thread, that that video was from a Chinese website.
The proof for same exists, and cannot be denied.
So shove that up your ass.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 19, 2015, 07:43:52 AM
that is correct. TK is just a worthless toilet bug with nothing whatsoever to offer to any intelligent discussion on any topic.
Hes a WART on the ass of intellectual curiosity and has no value. Not even to discuss same.
Any asshole that goes around stalking people, criticizing everything, without offering ANYthing in replacement, or otherwise is , defacto, just a LUMP
an inflamed rectum on the asshole of society.
ill waste no breath on whatever mental defects other than booze that drives his insanity.
Just dont care one bit.
For someone who claims apathy, you expend a lot of emotionally charged energy executing personal attacks against TK. If you really didn't care then more likely than not you would just ignore him.
Quote from: MarkE on February 19, 2015, 07:46:36 AM
For someone who claims apathy, you expend a lot of emotionally charged energy executing personal attacks against TK. If you really didn't care then more likely than not you would just ignore him.
I do enjoy the humor in fact. I like watching a monkey smoke a cigarette too.....
Doesnt imply or indicate I have any respect for same. Only my love of a good laugh.
My love of humor overrides my apathy in most occasions.
Take your armchair psychology down the road, son.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 19, 2015, 07:49:49 AM
I do enjoy the humor in fact. I like watching a monkey smoke a cigarette too.....
Doesnt imply or indicate I have any respect for same. Only my love of a good laugh.
My love of humor overrides my apathy in most occasions.
Take your armchair psychology down the road, son.
So then you do care about what TK has to say.
Quote from: MarkE on February 19, 2015, 07:52:45 AM
So then you do care about what TK has to say.
likewise to your own lip flapping spew...
as valued in the
currency of HUMOR only. Which is priceless.
The king loves his juggling fool. But thats the fools job, humor, not wise consult or anything said which is to be heeded or heard.
Acca:'What a dis-information agent !!!'
More like opportunists I would say but that's not important.if these counter-arguers were not present,can you imagine the amount of confusion and chaos there would be here on this website?we need filterers to sort the crap from the real mcoy.the real dis-information would ensue if there was no opposing sides to every story right?
Quote from: Acca on February 19, 2015, 06:09:16 AM
Who is this "TinselKoala" in 2008 he had 11,596. POSTS and now in 2015 he has 11,596. posts ??? and only was a forum member SINCE from 2009 ???
This site is written/pre-programmed this way; it shows only most recent quantity. Check your own history: your very first post shows the same amount as today's (most recent).
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 19, 2015, 05:36:20 AM
Nature only deals in PROPERTY
100% true! There is no action without reaction! But both have a common point, a fulcrum! An axis mundi! Duality is just a matter of interpretation, or using your words, "Quality and Quantity is the REALM of effects, phenomena, and posterior objects." Most people were educated to pay attention only to effects, developing further reasoning based on these effects and counting and transforming them in their endeavor as the real causes.
But my rhetorical question is; can we talk about PROPERTY for ether, or dielectric inertial plane in the case of magnetism? I suppose not, because the ether must have all known and unknown PROPERTIES, and to the same degree, no one!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 19, 2015, 05:36:20 AM
And apparently im the ONLY stinking son of a bitch asshole that REALIZES that fucking insane irony
No, you are not the only one. I sense it too but I lost my appetite to contradict others. I'm just intersecting with them on my way. I'm also intrigued by the current so called science and its wrong way, along with the way of the entire actual human society. But... each bird has to dye on its own tongue. That's a principle, not a quality nor a quantity!
Quote from: sadang on February 19, 2015, 11:12:14 AM
Duality is just a matter of interpretation
hence the diagram below , peeps need to THINK about that.
human peeps say duality, Nature says 'polarity' There is no diff. both those terms are the same thing.
There is no duality NOR polarity, .....only the INVERSE of counterspace, the Ether "point" (bad word really).
Quote from: sadang on February 19, 2015, 11:12:14 AM
But my rhetorical question is; can we talk about PROPERTY for ether, or dielectric inertial plane in the case of magnetism? I suppose not,
same way nature "talks" about it, its either INERTIA, or the loss of inertia expressed as the PROPERTY of = FORCE / MOTION
Balance @theoria balance not cuddleys.but here's the shots from my colloidal silver setup.my blackberry camera is up to shit for closeups but I think it may just be visible here.a kind of milkyway swirly moving constantly in the colloid suspension.the glasstube was sealed ontop(not visible here) and I used led torch for observation
Quote from: profitis on February 19, 2015, 05:03:35 PM
Balance @theoria balance not cuddleys.but here's the shots from my colloidal silver setup.my blackberry camera is up to shit for closeups but I think it may just be visible here.a kind of milkyway swirly moving constantly in the colloid suspension
Yes, hmm. Nothing at all is visible in any of those pics.
waaah :-[
U need a macro lens and camera
It is just visible.you can see the black hole in centre of silver cloud.twas swirling slowly but constantly.you can see black stripes in vortex2 shot from the striata.thru my eyes twas very visible, a definite distinct patterns swirlys at the magnet side and I could see magnets repulsion effect on the dust strata.this colloid was prepared with one drop formaldehyde and maybe one milligram AgNO3 to which sodium sulfite was added to facilitate Ag dust formation(no gelatine was used at all).this came out black and had to be diluted for visibility.
Quote from: profitis on February 19, 2015, 05:20:18 PM
It is just visible.
no.
I believe you,............. im just dropping some poo on the pictures, thats all ;)
nothing is visible in same.
I'l borrow mummies phone 2morrow and see if it gets a clearer shot.
@profitis
For me this image seems to show a bottom part of a vortex funnel. But the image is really unclear and is hard to make a correct interpretation. I'll try to reproduce this kind of experiment using my own setup and I'll be back with the results.
TA, I was dreaming today wondering what is causing the MAGNETIC FIELD in the EARTH and comparing it to the magnetic field in your typical hand held magnet.
A typical hand held magnet comes from the ground or is made by manufactures with a high current jolt. Like a HDD magnet, that magnet is not to be found in the natural earth BUT there are magnetic rocks all over the earth.
So I ask myself many questions, for one, how can the earth have a magnetic field DUE to magma (molten lava in the core) while your typical hand held magnet does not have a molten core?
Then I ask myself, does the earth's magnetic field have a vortex too?
Then I ask myself, what is the magnetic gauss of the earth's magnetic field? Can we even measure it with our instruments or can we just guess?
Then I went in to thinking that the UNIVERSE is like the sea. Like a fish swimming in outer space. Even meteors just "floating" in outer space. Then I wonder why do rocks sink in the ocean and what rocks don't sink in the ocean? Well because the outer space must be more DENSE? So then the meteors in outer space must be less dense than OUTER SPACE. So then I come to the conclusion that the outer space is very very dense than the floating rocks in space. ok.
Now the following is very interesting in my mind, what keeps the earth up float in the same place in a geometrical manner and not just float all over the place all dumb all over? My conclusion is that the ATMOSPHERE along with the magnetic field is keeping the earth afloat. This means to me that the outer space is not a PLANE but rather AN OCEAN (I find it hard to believe that the earth is sitting on a "blanket" of space like albert einstein suggested). The earths atmosphere is keeping the planet afloat "OUTER SPACE" while the earths heavy rock in the middle is what is keeping it from just going up and up like a balloon filled with helium, or from sinking down a "black hole". And then we have the magnetic fields that make it spin adding to the stabilization of the earths' (or any other planet) stability around the sun. Moreover, the vortex has some play in it.
Lots to think about so little time right. But not that hard to come to a COMMON sense.
So to recap:
What is causing the magnetic field in the earth?
What is causing the magnetic field in an earth rock (magma)?
Does the earth magnetic field has a vortex?
What is the magnetic gauss of the earths magnetic field?
Why do rocks sink in the ocean and not sink in outer space? (outside the atmosphere) Any rock from earth 'floats' in outer space right?
Too many questions, so little time to find out lol, but at least I would like to learn a few of them with out those dumb asses getting in the way. :)
sadang:'
@profitis
For me this image seems to show a bottom part of a vortex funnel. But the image is really unclear and is hard to make a correct interpretation. I'll try to reproduce this kind of experiment using my own setup and I'll be back with the results.'
You have a lab sadang? You will have to get the colliod just right to be able to see this effect.play around with it until you get it right.formaldehyde/sodium sulfite in solution is a powerful reducer.use only small amounts,no heating required.do it in dilute gelatine solution if you want yellow invisible colloids.do it with less gelatine or no gelatine for larger visible silver/black colloids.dilute the as prepared colloid for pattern visibility as required.it takes a few hours resting infront magnet before patterns emerge out of random chaos.I've still got swirlys in my colloid.just waiting for better camera now
I imagine a bismuth colloid would give even better results but all my attempts to keep bismuth in suspension without co-agulation failed
@profitis
No, I don't have a lab, my lab is my own home. I'll try to use just pure distilled water with suspensions of pure silver, to visualize the diamagnetic proprieties of silver particles interacting with magnetic field. I'll not use chemistry but electricity to get the silver particles. I believe you get swirls in the colloidal solutions, but let's go deeper with analysis and interpretation, taking into account the already known effects. Btw, where did you placed the magnet? What shape it has? What polarity did you used against the colloidal silver solution?
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 02:25:54 AM
What is causing the magnetic field in the earth?
immense rotary motion of the iron core resultant to the earths rotation......and induction from the sun to the earth which is perpetually inducing same via the earths poles.
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 02:25:54 AM
What is causing the magnetic field in an earth rock (magma)?
frozen lines of induction from metamorphic rocks brought to the earths surface from plate shift etc.
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 02:25:54 AM
Does the earth magnetic field has a vortex?
as to the liquid core, pure conjecture, as to the field itself, YES, obviously so.
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 02:25:54 AM
What is the magnetic gauss of the earths magnetic field?
I forget the NASA measured quantity of same
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 02:25:54 AM
Why do rocks sink in the ocean and not sink in outer space? (outside the atmosphere)
counterspace,
why is the IRON in earth at the center? , simplex........when still molten, the iron will always migrate to the lowest pressure gradient of counterspace, for the same reason a magnet will seek the center when put on top of MAGNETIC PUTTY (ever use that fun stuff??????)
Quoteimmense rotary motion of the iron core resultant to the earths rotation......and induction from the sun to the earth which is perpetually inducing same via the earths poles.
YESSSS, the same way that we believe that the PHENOMENA is "molten" in the center of the magnet ELECTRICITY = waves. You don't see an iron core inside plastic which is also MAGNETIC too. Or an electricity conductor in low levels. The ironic part about magnets is that heat destroys their iron magnetism! So how can the earth be molten magma that produces magnetic fields while a magnetic field gets destroyed by heat? And not only that, your $4000 dollar magnet does not have molten lava in between? Throw your $4000 dollar magnet in a furnase where it gets molten and watch how it comes out less magnetic?
Quotefrozen lines of induction from metamorphic rocks brought to the earths surface from plate shift etc.
Dude, how is a hand held magnet become a magnet? = electricity. The universe is electric.....no gravity, no black holes, no dark matter, is not the ether related to electricity/plasma?
Quoteas to the liquid core, pure conjecture, as to the field itself, YES, obviously so.
Does a liquid have stronger magnetic fields than a solid core? The reasoning in my mind is that a magnetic field in a solid is stronger than in a liquid. Show me a liquid hand held magnet? :) just trying to make you thing bro not trying to insult...just trying to learn life.
Quotecounterspace,
why is the IRON in earth at the center? , simplex........when still molten, the iron will always migrate to the lowest pressure gradient of counterspace, for the same reason a magnet will seek the center when put on top of MAGNETIC PUTTY (ever use that fun stuff)
You have to understand why birds fly in the earth with out a magnetic field....the only reason birds fly is due to the repulsion od the gravity. Or should I say, ONLY, inside the atmosphere. Or are you telling me that birds fly because of the earths magnetic fields vortex? You might be correct but birds ride on the waves within the vortex of the atmosphere. The same as meators ride inside the outer space. Exept, I believe meteors have it easier cause they don't need wings! We can understand that even WATER floats in outer space with no wings!
Why does water float in outer space?
That mind boggling like asking, why does water float inside an ocean? Obviously, outer sapce is more liquid dense than water is water floats in outer space.
What is the counter space of water in an ocean?
just thinking here.
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 04:45:58 AM
produces magnetic fields while a magnetic field gets destroyed by heat?
youre confusing MAGNETISM (polarization inherent to any and every atom in the cosmos), with the term MAGNET (coherent mass of polarized atoms)
common ERR.
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 04:45:58 AM
Dude, how is a hand held magnet become a magnet? = electricity.
Coherent induction. or likewise resultant pulse with same outcome.
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 04:45:58 AM
The universe is electric.....no gravity,
There is no such thing as gravity, its a pathetic human term given for counterspatial acceleration. Its 'powered' by counterspatial dielectric charge.
The VISIBLE UNIVERSE is 100% magnetism. = SPACE
the cuvilinear nature of all movement and phenomena is due to COUNTERSPACE
All curvilinear motion = Vortex, or the "fight" between space and counterspace
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 04:45:58 AM
Why does water float in outer space?
WEIGHT is a meaningless HUMAN contrivance. Weight is location and FIELD specific.
same reason a 40 pound 10 year old can MOVE a 600 pound person if both are in the water
QuoteDude, how is a hand held magnet become a magnet? = electricity. The universe is electric.....no gravity, no black holes, no dark matter, is not the ether related to electricity/plasma?
And what is that thing you call electricity? Replacing magnetism with electricity or viceversa will not resolve the equation of their own manifestation. This is just a circular way of thinking, not an ascending one. This way of thinking will not bring nothing new.
QuoteWhat is the counter space of water in an ocean?
This a non-sense question! It is available only in a frame of thinking based on the existence of separate things, the observer and the observed phenomena being two separate and distinct things. Wrong premises, wrong development, wrong results!
There is no counterspaces, but only counterspace. Only one! The same counterspace for all forms of its manifestations, even if they can be called by human minds solid, liquid, gas, plasma or other terms invented by human minds. It is a fulcrum for all things know and unknown to conscious and rational human mind.
If you really want to understand things move the observer in the counterspace.
Quote from: sadang on February 20, 2015, 05:07:51 AM
There is no counterspaces, but only counterspace.
picture below
harf harf harf
QuoteAnd what is that thing you call electricity? Replacing magnetism with electricity or viceversa will not resolve the equation of their own manifestation. This is just a circular way of thinking, not an ascending one. This way of thinking will not bring nothing new.
All powerful magnets are made powerful with electricity – HENCE all powerful magnets in outer space are made power full due to large amounts of electricity in outer space!
How else can a hand held magnet get magnetized if not by ELECTRICITY?
QuoteThis a non-sense question! It is available only in a frame of thinking based on the existence of separate things, the observer and the observed phenomena being two separate and distinct things. Wrong premises, wrong development, wrong results!
There is no counterspaces, but only counterspace. Only one! The same counterspace for all forms of its manifestations, even if they can be called by human minds solid, liquid, gas, plasma or other terms invented by human minds. It is a fulcrum for all things know and unknown to conscious and rational human mind.
If you really want to understand things move the observer in the counterspace.
OK sadang, tell me TODAY why the earth is FLOATING in space time?
IF SPACE TIME IS A BLANKET OF SPAVE, what keeps the blanket so thick that the earth does not sink in the abyss of space? I'm not here trying to teach, but I kind of see myself at greater know how than you do and it starts from the ocean! The universe is an ocean. How can it not be? Ok let me rephrase it, the universe is an ELECTRIC ocean.
Sadang, tell me why is the earth floating in the outer space ocean? I would like to hear that sir! I'm pretty sure not a lot of people ask themselves that question. But you seem to be looking past your nose :)
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 05:24:01 AM
How else can a hand held magnet get magnetized if not by ELECTRICITY?
magnetic induction. causing dielectric coherency of the mass being induced.
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 05:24:01 AM
IF SPACE TIME IS A BLANKET OF SPAVE, what keeps the blanket so thick that the earth does not sink in the abyss of space?
Space = NOTHING, its not a field, its not a force, it ACTS on nothing, it DOES nothing.
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 05:24:01 AM
Sadang, tell me why is the earth floating in the outer space ocean?
it 100% absolutely is doing NO SUCH THING AT ALL
see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU
TheoriaApophasis, according to your explanation of the rough definition of "magnetic poles" (or lack of them, i.e. above post), its meaning is roughly the same as the common knowledge/science describes it. You only use somewhat different approach for that issue.
Quotemagnetic induction. causing dielectric coherency of the mass being induced.
ALL man made magnets are created with electricity 100% facts. C'mon TA. You should understand that the universe is electric?
QuoteSpace = NOTHING, its not a field, its not a force, it ACTS on nothing, it DOES nothing.
Space = something like everything else does. C'mon TA. You saying this! As if magnetism came from nothing! Just like everything else comes from NOTHING!
I'm asking you why does not the earth sink in the abysss of space time even if it's billions of pounds heavy?
And you tell me nothing!? But let me allow to learn your point of view since you love magnets :)
Quoteit 100% absolutely is doing NO SUCH THING AT ALL
First of all, the sun is floating in outer space like all the rest of the stars.
The galaxy (milky way) is "floating" too being eating by the "black" hole...unless you can tell me if magnetism is standing on a plane? I'm not arguing that all matter in outer space are spining! WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE UNIVERSE IS ELECTRIC!
The sun has a MAGNETIC ELECTRIC PLASMA GRAVITY FIELD that atracts the planets to it's core due to ELECTRICITY along with GRAVITY and INNERTIA and WINGS!
Even if I see the sun as a vortex attracting all of these planets, you CANNOT tell me that the sun is not BEING "magnetized" by the OUTER phenomena from the dark matter!!! as IF, you are telling me that ONLY magnetism CREATES this phenomena! Well then OK< from where does this MAGNETISM come from? TA< just trying to make you think, BUT all of the magnets you play with are only magnets that have been electrified to become magnets. They have been jolted with electricity to become electrified WITH ELECTRICITY!
NOW, tell me h ow the SUN became electrified with out no human volts? (the universe is electrified=electricity is the universe)
Why would planets follow a SUN?
Quote from: Qwert on February 20, 2015, 05:57:50 AM
TheoriaApophasis, according to your explanation of the rough definition of "magnetic poles", its meaning is roughly the same as the common knowledge/science describes it. You only use somewhat different approach for that issue.
just the inverse. There is NO region or domain that defines a POLE of a magnet, contrary to current denotation AND connotation.
You can slice a magnet a 100000000000000 times vertically, or parallel to 'polarity',......and there is no separation of "poles"
Polarity doesn't imply opposites as in the case of magnetism or the (coherent mass we call) magnet....., rather the INVERSE of counterspace, ie the creation of SPACE and ANTINOMIES, there is only one antinomy, the inverse of counterspace.
The "current science" as you put it , parrots the BS that a magnet "has poles", either qualitatively or quantitatively, or both. But no such nonsense exists.
Duality, or polarity as per magnetism or the MACRO model of same in the magnet is a conceptual reification that there "ARE 2 INVERSE X-ENTITIES (poles)". But no such nonsense exists.
To define projective geometry, or counterspace, ie Non-Euclidean geometry
(which isnt true really, since Euclid DOES INDEED talk about counterspace in his own lexicon, of the INCOMMENSURATE POINT) is to posit its inverse, (the loss of inertia, or discharge) which = SPACE.
Space (=polarity) has no "poles", it is definitionally the inverse of couterspace as defined by TOPOS , coordination from an (imaginary, or specified) point.
People forget that a NATURAL LINE is the extension from a point, not in ONE direction, but INVERSE TO THE POINT.
Directionality (a line) is not FROM a point, but INVERSE TO A POINT.
That curvilinear extension is not a sphere (yet), rather a Hyperboloid,..... and why a hyperboloid and NOT a cylinder? Inertia and the loss of inertia are not extensions but mutual reciprocities BETWEEN force and inertia.
There isnt one straight line in the entire cosmos,
anyone who doesnt understand what a hyperboloid IS or DEFINES is never going to grasp a thing. Its as insane to say a Magnet "has poles" as it is to say life has a BIRTH pole and a DEATH pole, both are curvilinear paths defined by divergence and motion thru space and time, the "bubble" of existence.
(inserts a necessary "duhhhhhh" )
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 06:11:01 AM
ALL man made magnets are created with electricity 100% facts. C'mon TA. You should understand that the universe is electric?
Nope.
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 06:11:01 AM
Space = something like everything else does. C'mon TA. You saying this! As if magnetism came from nothing! Just like everything else comes from NOTHING!
Space = NOTHING, Phenomena/objects only reify space as an expression of magnitude between masses
One cannot reify a shadow as something, rather merely the ABSENCE of light.
So, NOPE
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 06:11:01 AM
Why would planets follow a SUN?
stop smoking whatever it is youre smoking
@joel321
I think the main problem is you just use well consecrated terms, unconsciously believing you understand they very well, when in fact you don't even sense the terms you use are only effects and you lie yourself. Tell me please what is electricity in its intimate nature and in its way of manifestation!
To the question about the floating of the Earth, Ken already gave you the answer. And I want to add just one thing; if you will pay real attention of this helical dynamic and will extrapolate on it, will sense many many wrong aspects of the currently so called "scientific facts"! But believe me, this is not a task from today to tomorrow!
And as a rule of thumb, I don't agree with many aspects of current scientific dogmas, so don't ask me about these kind of things. Space-time fabric is just a merely human mind concept. An abstract concept to fit in a math equation! It has no link with intrinsic nature of the Universe from micro to macro scales.
And more than what Ken told you, here is my own add:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4V-ooITrws
QuoteNope.
TA, how are all made magnets not made if not by man made? The madnet that you hold in your hand are due to electrifying the shit out of the metal. They where not dug up from a cave and molted down to make a big magnet. IN FACT< and electrified magnet on the ferrous metal will be magnetic for decades when given a huge ELECTRIC shock. Which it relates to the sun being INDUCTION heated by phenomena of the universe and being PROTECTED by the atmosphere phenomena of the sun. THEN you have to ask yourself, WHY IS THE SUN ATTRACTING THESE PLANETS?
QuoteSpace = NOTHING, Phenomena/objects only reify space as an expression of magnitude between masses
One cannot reify a shadow as something, rather merely the ABSENCE of light.
So, NOPE
TA, are you telling me that space is nothing? When you are all for MAGNETISM...then I should just tell you that you MAGNETISM is nothing. What?
The absence of light is not magnetism, the absence of electric is dielectric. The converging with electricity is magnetism and electricity, sun, galaxies, poop. :)
Did you just tell me that space IS NOTHING? Well, NOTHING, is space. I'm wondering from where does SOMETHING come from? From not space I presume!
Dude SPACE are MAGNETIC WAVES that we are trying to figure out where they come from! YOU do not know where magnetism comes from do you?
Quotestop smoking whatever it is youre smoking
You showed me a video where the "planets" follow a STAR in a circular pattern...now, how is the "star" attracting the planets in a MAGNETISED way? = electricity. Magnets get electrified. Magnets don't create electricity, magnets exists though.
If magnetism was all for LIFE my dick would have many MAGNETIC gauss. :P, sorry TA but I like to joke around lol
Quote from: joel321 on February 20, 2015, 06:54:27 AM
The madnet that you hold in your hand are due to electrifying the shit out of the metal.
a magnet is only defined by dielectric coherency, not applied charge
however magnetizing coil discharges are indeed power discharge , but that is not the PARAMETER for defining a "magnet"
all atoms are magneto dielectric and 'carry' charge and discharge
you, again, are confusing magnetism with a MAGNET.
Mere mirrors can redefine light ("magnetism" analogy) into a LASER ("magnet" analogy).
this has no power application component.
while a laser involves enormous power, the mere fact of creating coherent light itself does NOT.
I presume you are tipsy
QuoteI think the main problem is you just use well consecrated terms, unconsciously believing you understand they very well, when in fact you don't even sense the terms you use are only effects and you lie yourself. Tell me please what is electricity in its intimate nature and in its way of manifestation!
Well you are the one teaching me! I can't grasp these terms you speak of so I guess I have to ask you.
What is gravity?
What is electricity?
What is magnetism?
What are liquid waves?
What are sound waves?
BORING! Actually I'm taunting you on purpose :)
QuoteTo the question about the floating of the Earth, Ken already gave you the answer. And I want to add just one thing; if you will pay real attention of this helical dynamic and will extrapolate on it, will sense many many wrong aspects of the currently so called "scientific facts"! But believe me, this is not a task from today to tomorrow!
Let me hear you repeat what you understood? :) Go ahead, why is the earth floating in outer space? Do tell with your own understanding.
QuoteAnd as a rule of thumb, I don't agree with many aspects of current scientific dogmas, so don't ask me about these kind of things. Space-time fabric is just a merely human mind concept. An abstract concept to fit in a math equation! It has no link with intrinsic nature of the Universe from micro to macro scales.
OK, please step outside the door. MAGNETISM is not the universe the same as hearing and watching is NOT!
I admire TA but magnetism, c'mon those magnets are jolted with electricity! NOT dug up from a cave like diamonds!
Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4V-ooITrws
i'm just making TA thing hard, yeah I believe in galaxies as vortexes....and even how the toilet water flushes down. BUT, TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT SUN that is not in the center of any galaxy!
Quotea magnet is only defined by dielectric coherency, not applied charge
however magnetizing coil discharges are indeed power discharge , but that is not the PARAMETER for defining a "magnet"
well well well, how does the mother earth gets magnetized?
Are you telling me that MAGNETISM just apears from "dark matter" :)
Quoteall atoms are magneto dielectric and 'carry' charge and discharge
you, again, are confusing magnetism with a MAGNET.
Yes I understand protons and neutrons and want to understand other micro phenomena.
QuoteMere mirrors can redefine light ("magnetism" analogy) into a LASER ("magnet" analogy).
this has no power application component.
I understand the importance of magnetism dude I'm just teasing you to keep an cohearent argument going...even sadang is "defending" you while he may not know the whole story behind your beliefs.
TA< just explain MAGNETISM! The rest of knowledge you will get from the followers. Don't believe like you know everything! IN fact, you INFLUENCED me to do the following = in case a magnet inside a balloon under the ocean and watch how the magnet turns against the north, south pole magnetic fields. But i'm pretty sure you cannot grasp that imporatnce yourself even though the atmosphere in the earth is what is keeping it afloat the dark universe but how to prove it lol?
Quotewhile a laser involves enormous power, the mere fact of creating coherent light itself does NOT.
Well does magnetism create light? IF it does, why does light create magnetism? :P
QuoteI presume you are tipsy
I presume you are trying to justify your expenditure of a $4000 dollar magnet! :P sorry to go there but someone had to say it. You could have just dug one from the dirt :P
@joel321
No Joel, I think you misinterpreted my comments. I'm not a teacher, I'm a deep scrutineer. I don't have answers for you, I just sense the actual science terms are wrong enunciated because they are wrong founded. I have answers only for me, in my way of thinking and can't afford to emanate them for large public, because I'm very aware of my own limits. Who believe he has answers to something... he just believe!
Anyway, all that terms as gravity, electricity, magnetism... are just ether manifestations. Gradients of ether. About this general apsect I'm very sure. The deep underthings of ether and how its manifestations can be associated with the "scientific" terms used by the current human mind, is an another long story that you have to develop for yourself. There is no other way!
QuoteLet me hear you repeat what you understood? :) Go ahead, why is the earth floating in outer space? Do tell with your own understanding.
You did not paid attention to the my last sentence - "But believe me, this is not a task from today to tomorrow!"
QuoteOK, please step outside the door. MAGNETISM is not the universe the same as hearing and watching is NOT!
Repeat this for yourself form the point of view of an observer from counterspace. Do you have this ability to mentally translate in different reference frames, and make the analysis from that specific frame? How large can you expand your understanding horizons without loosing the deep details of a specific phenomena?
To reduce the length of this message, MAGNETISM is just a word. Invented by human minds in its wrong way to define things as separate and external to its own existence. Make use at equal rate of both cerebral hemisphere, not only the rational one. Otherwise the result will be wrong, as it can be seen everywhere around us today!
Quotei'm just making TA thing hard, yeah I believe in galaxies as vortexes....and even how the toilet water flushes down. BUT, TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT SUN that is not in the center of any galaxy!
I think I don't understand your question. Detail a bit!
Sadang:'but let's go deeper with analysis and interpretation, taking into account the already known effects. Btw, where did you placed the magnet? What shape it has? What polarity did you used against the colloidal silver solution?'
The magnet is right up against test-tube.I used stronger this time,rectangular neo.any polarity will do effect is same althou I'm not certain if reversal of flow takes place.I have to stay with crappy blackberry photos,mummies camera is even worse.chekout vortex7 shot its quite clear here.
@sadang we must remember that these shots are basicly 2-dimensional.the 3-d full pic will be cones of swirlys.god knows how that will look.
This time the colloid was prepared by adding a drop very dilute AgNO3 to dilute NaOH to precipitate brown AgO.then a single drop formaldehyde instantly turns whole sol black then was diluted for visibility.
@profitis
I'm sorry but I can say nothing from these images. Try to use a small laser beam and make photos with the room lights on. Maybe this way they will become much clearer. Also, instead of these images, try to make a short movie with the phone. At least in a movie will see the movement of silver particles, or of the cloud of the silver compounds.
Until next week, when I'll be back with my own experiments with colloidal silver, try to ask the Ken's opinion about all these. But be prepared to understand its words.
Quote from: sadang on February 20, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
But be prepared to understand its words.
Ohhh, now im an IT? Sok, been called much worse.
kidding. My lexicon is really NOT that dense! In fact i hold back a LOT,
product of translating too much ancient philosophy
Sadang,
QuoteNo Joel, I think you misinterpreted my comments. I'm not a teacher, I'm a deep scrutineer. I don't have answers for you, I just sense the actual science terms are wrong enunciated because they are wrong founded. I have answers only for me, in my way of thinking and can't afford to emanate them for large public, because I'm very aware of my own limits. Who believe he has answers to something... he just believe!
Anyway, all that terms as gravity, electricity, magnetism... are just ether manifestations. Gradients of ether. About this general apsect I'm very sure. The deep underthings of ether and how its manifestations can be associated with the "scientific" terms used by the current human mind, is an another long story that you have to develop for yourself. There is no other way!
Nice answer man. Shows that you want to learn like most do. Most of the time I speak from what I understand in my mind and forget that I have to make others understand what I'm trying to say. I just like learning more than money myself. Females like makeup, I like learning :).
QuoteRepeat this for yourself form the point of view of an observer from counterspace. Do you have this ability to mentally translate in different reference frames, and make the analysis from that specific frame? How large can you expand your understanding horizons without loosing the deep details of a specific phenomena?
To reduce the length of this message, MAGNETISM is just a word. Invented by human minds in its wrong way to define things as separate and external to its own existence. Make use at equal rate of both cerebral hemisphere, not only the rational one. Otherwise the result will be wrong, as it can be seen everywhere around us today!
I'm the type of person that always lives in the "counterspace". For that same reason I understand that the only reason we "know the size" of the universe is because of "light shift" or, should I say" the ability to look from within out. As if the technology that we have and our ability to see with our eyes do not dissipate while looking out. This is why I don't just believe in myself but I believe in the "viewer" that is watching me from outer space. Hard to explain. The main point is that YOU ALWAYS NEED SOMEONE LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE TO TELL YOU WHERE YOU ARE INSIDE THE SPACE.
For that simplex example, magnetism, light, sound, smell, electricity, density, etc all have a place in the DNA of the ladder. Hard to explain! You could say a magnet poops lol. The vortex to a human is from mouth to butt hole... food comes in, waste comes out = vortex of food. So the food to a human is coming in and coming out. But no matter how hard I try to believe like i'm a god, I have to just see myself ass food for the greater good/innovation.
Too many things to define with soo little time. My mind gets ahead of myself a lot of the time BUT, I'm always seeking a better/easier to understand. There are always answers to the present life since others have lived before you have. Since the only reason you know what you know is due to the past waves of the collected minds.
QuoteI think I don't understand your question. Detail a bit!
The toilet water is kind of an inside joke to myself but it is also proof that the earths magnetic vortex influences how the water spins in a toilet – clockwise or counterclockwise. The part about the sun is just me thinking way ahead. Where the "milky way" galaxy is being flushed down in a toilet, now I picture that the universe must have a vortex too where there is a galaxy spining in the opposite direction, which is not that far fetched since in my own personal opinion the universe is electric.
I know I get ahead of myself BUT I have to ask myself from where does magnetism come from? ok. Then I ask myself does a magnetic force have a vortex? Yes. Because it hace to spin upon itself to stay magnetic...no question about it. Like in the toilet, the water flushes down when ONLY water it's being replaced in the toilet bowl. BUT I have to think about the BOWL itself, not just the water.
IN fact, the waves of learning are only waves that are coming from the past...IN THAT axpect, the magnetic vortex, while being a vortex, CANNOT be static, so IT IS A VORTEX, but it's a vortex that keeps on moving.
Look → clusters of galaxies spinning → galaxies spinning → solar systems spinning → a rock in space spinning → humans spinning going around the perimeter of land → wheels in a car spinning lol → electrons spinning → = now I have to ask myself if I want to take the blue pill what is spinning in the most smallest particles and in the greatest mass in space? No one has that answer, and the curiosity withing social support will get us there eventually.
Too much to think about...but the present should not be hard to understand. ;D
QuoteOhhh, now im an IT? Sok, been called much worse.
Sorry, it happens sometime after a hard day! And yesterday I've had a full day!
QuoteMy lexicon is really NOT that dense! In fact i hold back a LOT, product of translating too much ancient philosophy
Hmm, I believe and understand you! Your lexicon is not only dense, but is also very various exactly due to translation from ancient symbolic languages, which force your mind to see beyond the short, direct and apparent meaning of words and symbols. Hence the inability to not make too easy understandable by others!
QuoteYOU ALWAYS NEED SOMEONE LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE TO TELL YOU WHERE YOU ARE INSIDE THE SPACE
Hmmm! This is a right path to relate to others and the others to yourself. But I see things a bit different, ie for me there is not an outside or an inside, besides the ones defined and practiced by the human mind.
Quotewhat is spinning in the most smallest particles and in the greatest mass in space?
As Ken loudly say every time, there is no particle anywhere. Just the human mind interpretation of some ether specific manifestations which give the characteristics that we call impulse, mass, moment, inertia and so on. Think again 99.999999999996 from the volume of the H atom is empty space according to current science, and only 4*10^-12 represent the volume of something that exhibit some specific characteristics on which we conclude and associate its behavior with a particle. But for someone who leaned on these issues over the years, is clear that this huge volume can not be empty in any way. Not at all! On the contrary, this volume is guilty of and define the characteristics of what of so called particle, nucleus or proton for H.
Or with your own words: "the water flushes down when ONLY water it's being replaced in the toilet bowl. BUT I have to think about the BOWL itself, not just the water." And finally we have to think about the observer. Who's the real observer?
Everything is spinning, from sub-quantum particles to clusters of galaxies, but we have to not forget this spinning movement is always correlated with a helical dynamics. They can't exists one without the other. Further jump from reference system to reference system and observe, interpret and conclude. If you have the ability to expand the horizons of conscience without loosing the finest details, will be amazed what you will find! Only from this point start the real knowledge and understanding! I don't want to only say great words, this is my own experience, which has no value if it is just exposed and not lived.
TA, I stumbled upon this today. Supposedly it's a simulation of a black hole with state of the art computing.
http://youtu.be/CbW2jKXq3gE
You can see some type of vertex going on there.
Here is the article.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/14/interstellar_black_holes_gravitational_lensing/
Just sharing man.
QuoteThis is a right path to relate to others and the others to yourself. But I see things a bit different, ie for me there is not an outside or an inside, besides the ones defined and practiced by the human mind.
This is my personal opinion. We always learn from looking from the outside in. We understand colors from looking at them from the outside in. we understand how a rock looks like because we are looking at it from the outside in. But I understand that there is so much we can look in = macro world. The same applies by looking out. This is why we understand the universe (looking from in out) but we can only look so far because the light waves eventually dissipate like a candle light or a 200 lumen LED light can shine so far. This is why i don't believe in an edge to the universe nor believe in particles sort to speak. I just don't see all the laws being set in concrete. IMO.
QuoteAs Ken loudly say every time, there is no particle anywhere. Just the human mind interpretation of some ether specific manifestations which give the characteristics that we call impulse, mass, moment, inertia and so on. Think again 99.999999999996 from the volume of the H atom is empty space according to current science, and only 4*10^-12 represent the volume of something that exhibit some specific characteristics on which we conclude and associate its behavior with a particle. But for someone who leaned on these issues over the years, is clear that this huge volume can not be empty in any way. Not at all! On the contrary, this volume is guilty of and define the characteristics of what of so called particle, nucleus or proton for H.
Or with your own words: "the water flushes down when ONLY water it's being replaced in the toilet bowl. BUT I have to think about the BOWL itself, not just the water." And finally we have to think about the observer. Who's the real observer?
Everything is spinning, from sub-quantum particles to clusters of galaxies, but we have to not forget this spinning movement is always correlated with a helical dynamics. They can't exists one without the other. Further jump from reference system to reference system and observe, interpret and conclude. If you have the ability to expand the horizons of conscience without loosing the finest details, will be amazed what you will find! Only from this point start the real knowledge and understanding! I don't want to only say great words, this is my own experience, which has no value if it is just exposed and not lived.
I will admit that I mostly speak in a way mostly kind of relating to philosophy so I'm not very familiar with all of this vortex and quantum stuff but I believe that everyone is capable of learning and surpassing the teacher...just my own personal beliefs. Having said that let me try to understand what you mean and give my own personal opinion.
"Empty space" is a tricky one. I would rather be is defined as LESS DENSE. I mean if my body is made up of atoms, I'm a human being. But when we start to look in to the atoms under a power microscope, there is a lot of space there. So I would assume a particle has density.... may not be 100% empty because the phenomena that gives it its existence has density. But then I have to think that when someone says that "particle" they mean "solid"....like a vapor is not solid compared to a liquid. Even thought a liquid has space in the quantum level (not solid) it has more density than a vapor by a long shot. So I have to take that in consideration qhen someone speak about a "particle", but like i said, I'm not even going to lie and say that I know something about this stuff. I'm only looking from the outside in along with logic/common sense/or what ever you want to call it.
It sounds like an interesting subject that I would not mind learning tho.
How much density does something quantum has to have to be considered a particle?
Quote from: joel321 on February 21, 2015, 09:49:15 PM
TA, I stumbled upon this today. Supposedly it's a simulation of a black hole with state of the art computing.
http://youtu.be/CbW2jKXq3gE
You can see some type of vertex going on there.
lovely video, .....however what is going on is NO DIFF than the Faraday effect on light.
There is no such autonomous entity as "Gravity" is merely dielectric counterspatial acceleration.
however as per the PHENOMENA itself, the same thing is going on with MATTER (stars, etc etc) as happens with LIGHT under the influence of of a mag field, except in reverse, CENTRIPETAL , rather than CENTRIFUGAL as per the case with the Faraday effect.
the Cosmos is far far FAR FAR FAR more simplex than our idiot primitive science paints it as.
TA, wireless light transmitting "code", kind of reminds me of Nikola Teslas' magnetic propositions.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/15/a_little_light_music_200_gbps_plus_without_a_fibre/
Quoteusing light instead of radio waves
I really want to see the how the light waves look compared to the radio waves in analog or digital? Does not matter nor if random monkey figured this out in 200 years of typing random words in an old school typewriter...lol
Quote from: joel321 on February 22, 2015, 03:15:10 AM
TA, wireless light transmitting "code", kind of reminds me of Nikola Teslas' magnetic propositions.
The FUTURE is VORTEX ANTENNAS / receivers.
Vortex data transmission is going to make EVERYTHING TODAY soon look like the FUCKING PONY EXPRESS by comparison.
@joel321
With my apologizes to Ken because I use his topic for my own ramblings, and also to you because what follow to say is not so easy to swallow, but I want to assure you it is not personally at all. I'll just use your own words to exemplify something which is very hard to sense. I'll continue with my opinion and hope to be right understood.
According to my way of thinking I see in your last message a clear example of a circular reasoning. This happen without even you notice this fact! When you talk about the empty space you make conscious but also unconscious use of well defined term "DENSITY" and other similar. You use it consciously in your reasoning in a comparative way, and unconsciously when you develop further your way of reasoning using the term "DENSITY" as a well established reference to which other elements in your analysis can be related.
- d=m/v
- m=dxv
- v=m/d
For me this is a formula that don't tell anything. Is a flat, circular, an apparent and misleading solution. I don't know for sure any of its three elements. I believe I know and understand, but this is just a very superficial point of view, because I don't know what really is the term called mass. Don't say there are many kind of mass. However, the mass is associated with matter, which again I don't know what really is. I associate it with atomic, subatomic, quantum, sub-quantum PARTICLES, the last term being also a big UNKNOWN, defined very clear by science exactly in the same circular way of thinking, appealing to the same well established (in reality totally UNKNOWN) terms, renamed to differentiate them according to their use (macro, micro levels). Hope you can comprehend what I want to say, and I yet not went on fields to pasture with grace!!!
The same pattern apply to any other formula from nowadays science. And we are educated in this way of thinking, grow with these deeply buried in the subconscious and using them as immutable references in our way of reasoning, manifesting and shaping the world accordingly. The destruction is perpetuated everywhere around us!
QuoteHow much density does something quantum has to have to be considered a particle?
How sounds this question now? It keeps the same meaning as before to express my above opinion? Still has any meaning?
Let me reformulate a bit your question:
- How much volume does something quantum has to have to be considered a particle?
- How much mass does something quantum has to have to be considered a particle?
Have these question the same meaning as yours! Of course they have! The possible scientific answers solve the question? Of course apparently, but not at all, if it is notice the circularity of reasoning. Even if we go further with relativistic theory and transform mass in energy, indifferent we talk about cosmic or sub-quantum scales, the solution still keeps its character of an apparent correct solution.
Now, after all these were said, maybe will be seen with other eyes the Ken's dielectric inertial plane, or counterspace, or ether and also its manifestation in the single possible way, ie in reciprocity (not in opposition at all) or as I call it in complementarity, the magnetism being just a form from infinite ways of ether manifestation. Who's the observer and where can he be placed in this new view is a task for each one in part, and can not be expressed by any individual being.
Stop, and back to the beautiful world of magnets and their vortex fields, preparing the setup of some experiments for next week.
Quote from: sadang on February 22, 2015, 04:38:45 AM
@joel321
With my apologizes to Ken because I use his topic for my own ramblings,
apologies for what, its nothing.
;D
if people understood what a HYPERBOLOID was, theyd have a very HIGH grasp of what magnetism is, what force is, and what inertia is.
I shit you not there is not ONE SINGLE DAMN genuine explanation of what a hyperboloid IS ;D
and i dont mean a Fing equation.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 20, 2015, 06:12:29 AM
just the inverse. There is NO region or domain that defines a POLE of a magnet, contrary to current denotation AND connotation.
You can slice a magnet a 100000000000000 times vertically, or parallel to 'polarity',......and there is no separation of "poles"
There is no separation of "poles" , but you find there "a narrow transition region at the boundary between"
which is a Bloch wall. You are pretty inconsistent here. When you slice a magnet and find no separation of poles, how do you find Bloch wall? Is it measurable? So, the Bloch wall separates the poles.
But as I see it, there is no transition boundary or any separation: it looks/works like a piece of pipe with INLET and OUTLET: These are the poles.
And something else: it takes pretty long lecture for you to explain a simple issue. You probably don't understand this (your own words): "I must state that if you cannot explain it simply then you do not really understand something". This is a quote from your book.
Qwert:'it takes pretty long lecture for you'
Me:he's basicly saying that everythings either a flying packet of di-electric oscillations,a stationary bundle of di-electric oscillations,or nothing at all. Everythings either a reaction or action ala newton law.one can't really argue with this.the only thing that can be argued on rational basis is the experimental interpretations of magnetism.if there's a fine line point in any one of these experiments which standard model cannot refute then it tilts in his favour dramaticaly
Quote from: Qwert on February 22, 2015, 05:55:05 AM
There is no separation of "poles" , but you find there "a narrow transition region at the boundary between"
Let me introduce you to "MY RELIGION" :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Its called
"DESCRIPTIONS ARENT EXPLANATIONS" What you just said (no offense) is no diff. than a child saying (about a CAR) "boxy rolling thing"
Quote from: Qwert on February 22, 2015, 05:55:05 AM
which is a Bloch wall
10,000% MEANINGLESS BULLSHITthats like an ancient caveman seeing a bird flying and calling it "The Ooog anomaly" (bird flight).
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Qwert on February 22, 2015, 05:55:05 AM
You are pretty inconsistent here. When you slice a magnet and find no separation of poles, how do you find Bloch wall? Is it measurable?
You are INSANELY inconsistent here
MEASURE, ASSHOLE, is defined by SPACE ;D ;D ;D
Of course an INDIVISIBLE PLENUM , ie counterspace
has NO MEASURE
Fucking goddamn hell, been saying that since day one ;D ;D :o :o :o
Quote from: Qwert on February 22, 2015, 05:55:05 AM
So, the Bloch wall separates the poles.
What poles asshole? .........WHAT "bloch wall" asshole? ....... It cannot be "separated OUT" , NOR has measure.
what is separating WHAT ? Self-contradictory fucking horse shit ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Qwert on February 22, 2015, 05:55:05 AM
But as I see it, there is no transition boundary or any separation: it looks/works like a piece of pipe with INLET and OUTLET: These are the poles.
Inconsistent asshole, you just said a sec. ago .........
"find there "a narrow transition region at the boundary between" "
You dont have a firm grasp of the denotation of the term
POLARITYPolarity doesn't imply opposites as in the case of magnetism or the (coherent mass we call) magnet....., rather the INVERSE of counterspace, ie the creation of SPACE and ANTINOMIES, there is only one antinomy, the inverse of counterspace.
"current science" parrots the BS that a magnet "has poles", either qualitatively or quantitatively, or both. But no such nonsense exists.
Duality, or polarity as per magnetism or the MACRO model of same in the magnet is a conceptual reification that there "ARE 2 INVERSE X-ENTITIES (poles)". But no such nonsense exists.
Quote from: Qwert on February 22, 2015, 05:55:05 AM
"I must state that if you cannot explain it simply then you do not really understand something". This is a quote from your book.
I can, did and, DO explain it 100% ;D
your lack of mental capacity to grasp same, understand same, or 'believe' same, is NO FAULT OF MINE
Poles OF what, BY what, and (AS MUST BE CONNOTATED)
"BETWEEN WHAT" :o :o
Youre talking about
"poles between X"the SAME X which has
1. NO MEASURE
2. NO POSSIBILITY TO 'CUT IT OUT', SEPARATE IT
3. INDIVISIBLE AND INCOMMENSURATE (learn what that word means)
I dub thee King of Inconsistent Twatswaddle.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 22, 2015, 07:31:37 AM
Let me introduce you to "MY RELIGION" :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Its called "DESCRIPTIONS ARENT EXPLANATIONS"
Then, I ask you for an EXPLANATION, not DESCRIPTION.
Behind of that, you seem do not know the meaning of the word "Inconsistent".
If this whole BS is immeasurable, it is pure theory; the same field as your worst foe's, Einstein.
Do you remember what does the word "einstein" mean?
The term "Bloch wall" can be only found in pseudoscience: no such issue exists in real, official Science.
"There is no Bloch wall in the center line of a bar magnet. There is no Bloch wall at all in a standard bar magnet. This is a pseudoscience concept that follows the statements made by John Bedini." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ABloch_wall)
Quote from: Qwert on February 22, 2015, 07:51:33 AM
If this whole BS is immeasurable, it is pure theory; the same field as your worst foe's, Einstein.
Do you remember what does the word "einstein" mean?
Pure theory my goddamn ass, even Euclid talked much on INCOMMENSURABLE (non) Euclidean geometry
ALL geometry is PROJECTIVE GEOMETRY
make a 'point' (bad term really, since even a point is geometric.) ALL GEOMETRY begins "there" (noWHERE , really).
The dielectric inertial plane of any magnet:
1. NO MEASURE
2. NO POSSIBILITY TO 'CUT IT OUT', SEPARATE IT
3. INDIVISIBLE AND INCOMMENSURATE (learn what that word means)
You can slice a magnet a 100000000000000 times vertically, or parallel to 'polarity',......and there is no separation of "poles"
......you just end up with 1000000000000000 new magnets EACH WITH THEIR OWN "N and S 'poles' " ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You still (everyone else is in the SAME SHIT BOAT) dont have a clear definition of the term POLARITY in your mind.
Yes.......EIN-STEIN Means "one stone", or IDIOT.
You want a definition of "immeasurable"........ill give you one, bitch, our CURRENT STONE AGE "science" says 80% or more of the Cosmos is "dark matter"
meaning "We have NO FUCKING IDEA" (well, THEY dont).
That thing you call GRAVITY, there is no FORCE VARIABLE in its equation.......... now ask yourself WHY ;D ;D ;D ;D
F in M1*M2/r^2 is not FORCE, its TENSION.
There is NO force in "gravity". Not one single APPLIED bit, NOR expended bit, NOR conversion of anything.
Counterspatial acceleration to highest potential of inertia is INCOMMENSURABLE
Even the ancient Greek Platonists knew this simple fact.
ONLY FORCE has measure and magnitude AND directionality.
Now see if you can grasp this, INCREASING ACCELERATION (due to what our idiot science calls gravity) is actually DECREASING MOTION .
(youll never get that "puzzle") ;D
Quote from: Qwert on February 22, 2015, 01:48:41 PM
official Science.
history lesson son. EVERY AGE OF (idiot) MAN thinks their shit is "official Science."
EVERY FUCKING GODDDAMN ONE!!!!!! Without FAIL
100 years from now, people will look back at 2015 as a "dark age of comprehension" ;D
I have an unparallelled grasp of what magnetism IS, what a magnet IS, how it works, why it works. ;D ;D
only after MANY years of research, and having a freaking abnormal mind highly studied both read and comprehensional into Greek methodologies and retroduction was I able to fully "get it".
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 22, 2015, 02:30:11 PM
history lesson son. EVERY AGE OF (idiot) MAN thinks their shit is "official Science."
You must be happy of your new, over 60-years old, (idiot) SON. (How many such idiot sons you have already?)
Then, at last you start to understand, what is the meaning of the sentence you once used, since you seem to EXPLAIN SIMPLY. Thanks to this simple explanation, you are in the same basket with A Einstein, as I said right before, just because this whole issue is pure theory, nothing provable. It's just a dogma, not a science. You know, religions are as convincing as you are.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 22, 2015, 02:23:20 PM
... ...
And that's why yours is only a dogma: in traditional science everything about magnets is measurable, in yours - not.
Quote from: Qwert on February 22, 2015, 03:34:25 PM
And that's why yours is only a dogma: in traditional science everything about magnets is measurable, in yours - not.
How many experiments made by Ken did you try to reproduce to say they can not be measured? Or how many from traditional science you have reproduced and measured? Could you bring an example of what can be measured about magnets according to traditional science?
Qwert to Apohasis:'And that's why yours is only a dogma: in traditional science everything about magnets is measurable, in yours - not'
Me to Apophasis: he's got rational a point here.what experiment do you have that absolutely proves your point and absolutely disproves their point.what can you show us that absolutely divides you from them in demonstratio.where's the jury evidential thin red line apophasis.because as you know,nothing is going to change without this
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 03:55:36 PM
Me to Apophasis: he's got rational a point here.what experiment do you have that absolutely proves your point and absolutely disproves their point.what can you show us that absolutely divides you from them in demonstratio.where's the jury evidential thin red line apophasis.because as you know,nothing is going to change without this
you suffer the same goddamn delusion i mentioned on page 1 of this thread........... I dont give a DAMN what you believe.
This is no cult, and im not SELLING anyone anything, book, or toy, or otherwise.
The only logical and rational position on magnetism here is mine. Ive got the book, 120 videos so far on same. with 100 MORE videos to go, and at least 300 more pages to add to the book.
Suggest IF you think you know better,..... then YOU get off your ass and do the work. ;D
Those that DO, and those that TALK...... Youre the later.
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 03:55:36 PM
thin red line apophasis........because as you know,nothing is going to change without this
That same "LINE" ie the dielectric inertial plane, CONCENTRATED at, not LOCATED at the "center" of every magnet (including the nucleus of every atom, 'outside' of which is the magnetic dielectric atomic volume in picometers).......... is the incommensurate inertia which 'drives everything'.
I have the proof, I have 9 working EMPIRICAL MODELS for same......i have the evidence, and the logic,..........
and ill gamble my OWN life in a lecture in front of a crowd against ANYONE on earth. ;D
IF HOWEVER, you want to insanely ASSERT,
as QED does and GR and QM that PARTICLE-FREE magnetic fields are "virtual particles" (ie UNICORNS and Angel dust)...........then I reply youre living in the midst of a sick fucking religion of Atomistic BS.
Lets see........."Virtual particles" or my hyper-logical, rational, and provable premise as outlined already
tell me son,
which is more likely, IF you were a betting man! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Change? ;D ;D ;D ;D
I dont have to CHANGE any goddamn thing, I only have to be RIGHT. History and the future will vindicate same, whether im alive or long dead.
Sadang:'How many experiments made by Ken'
Me: which of these experiments absolutely divides,deviates and seperates standard model from ken's model
Apophasis:'I only have to be RIGHT. '
Me: with an experiment that seperates you from them.or nothing happens correct?
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 04:11:05 PM
blah
time for you to take a mental break and think about an INSEPARABLE "middle" between assumed "poles"
pet the cuddly OWL and think deep (if you can)
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 04:08:30 PM
Sadang:'How many experiments made by Ken'
Me: which of these experiments absolutely divides,deviates and seperates standard model from ken's model
Here is not about an absolute dividing, deviating and separating the experiments! Here is mainly a matter of interpretation! Try to play with magnets and will see for yourself if there are mismatches! You already started with a diamagnetic experiment that raised some questions. Did you solved them?
Sadang:'Here is not about an absolute dividing, deviating and separating the experiments!'
Me: well then thers nothing to go on.I have a rule-of-thumb that never fails:if your revolution is understandable by the peasant masses and makes sense to them then and only then are you going to move mountains.apophasis needs ONE experiment that destroys the standard model outright.just ONE.understandable to all
Sadang:'You already started with a diamagnetic experiment that raised some questions.'
Did you manage to replicate?
Apophasis:' and think deep (if you can)'
Me: this is going to be your weakness my friend.if your revolution requires this then it won't budge einstein one iota
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 05:06:20 PM
if your revolution is understandable by the peasant masses and makes sense to them
you HUNG your own goddamn ass with your own TONGUE on that one son ;D ;D ;D ;D
"Where common sense and intuition failed, we (the insane relativists) had to create a new form of intuition based upon abstract
(unreal) mathematics. When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense." -----------Leonard Susskind, professor theoretical
physics, and priest of the cult of Quantum
"Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real." ---------– N. Bohr
"The more you see how strange nature behaves, the harder it is for us to make a model that explains even the how
the most simple phenomena works. Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit." –------- R. Feynman
Even your fucking "GODS" of GR and QM admit its INSANE BULLSHIT
Thats like the POPE IN ROME SAYING:: "This God shit is just goddamn crazy bullshit!!!!" ;D ;D ;D ;D
trust me son, I can explain magnetism to the "masses".............
but your GODS admit THEY THEMSELVES think their GR and QM is INSANE!!!!!
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 05:16:41 PM
won't budge einstein one iota
I dont have to budge Ein-stein, space acts on nothing, and DOES NOTHING
Space is not a field, NOR a force.
"a LONG HAIRED CRANK, Einstein by name" -------N. TESLA
I only have to be RIGHT, not believed. ;D ;D ;D
"Wisdom and comprehension are their own sublime rewards, and are self-contained. All those whose ultimate desire to convince others are only attempting to convince themselves."
-Ken W.
Quote from: sadang on February 22, 2015, 04:50:11 PM
.......
Ive finally worked out the mystery behind the nature of
HIGH GAUSS capacity in Neo Iron Boron and samarium cobalt
ala the hyperboloid. ;) ;)
working on the article for same for the book.
Apophasis:'but your GODS admit THEY THEMSELVES think their GR and QM is INSANE!!!!!'
Me: the peasants are not interested in this.they want demos,they want different demos.they don't want to be told how to think differently than they are taught to think.they want to be SHOWN how to think differently than they are taught to think
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 05:39:30 PM
Me: the peasants are not interested in this.they want demos,they want different demos.they don't want to be told how to think differently than they are taught to think.they want to be SHOWN how to think differently than they are taught to think
.......and you would be an expert in demons. I, the divine and abstruse.
Peasants DONT GIVE A SHIT about magnetism , true or untrue , they care about getting RICH and LAID.
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 05:39:30 PM
.they don't want to be told how to think differently than they are taught to think
THEY = Peasants......... nope, you mean Truth seekers and those that love wisdom.
NOT Peasants. ;D ;D
Youre another brainwashed product of our LEMMING school and college system that doesnt teach important stuff. Much less WISE stuff
OR "how to think"
ala, Deduction VS. Abduction VS. Induction VS. Retroduction.
Apophasis:'I dont have to budge Ein-stein'
Me:Your going to have to smash einstein in order to be taken seriously
Apophasis:'NOT Peasants. ;D ;D'
Me: wrong.its these guys' support you are going to need wether you like it or not.I can show them a clock or watch that runs eternaly without need for light,heat, motion,or chemical combustion right now.this they understand.this they listen to.this is revolution that goes from bottom to top.not top to bottom.and I use standard model to explain it to the top lol.
Einstein was the only scientist guy who appealed to just about all the masses.to the peasants in the street.why? Because the relativity thing was something every one of them could relate to in an emotional way.(Oh yeah I was sitting in the train and remembered thinking I was moving,wow,this guy is fucking genius!).and so he won the day,because everybody said 'genius',together,layman and elites and all.
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 05:42:56 PM
Me:Your going to have to smash einstein in order to be taken seriously
Youre goddamn insane. Budge what prick? A FUCKING THEORY decades old and already mostly REFUTED by many others????
You ARE goddamn insane ;D ;D ;D
TJJ See- "Einstein was "an imposter and a plagiarist"
You want me to REFUTE A NEGATIVE such as SPACE acting on things (ala the fucking moron Einstein)................. , thats like saying
"Prove Unicorns dont exist" idiot
"A few words will be sufficient in support of this contention (that matter has no energy other than that given to it by the Ether 'environment'). The kinetic and potential energy of a body is the result of motion and determined by the product of its mass and the square of velocity (E=mc^2 Einstein nonsense). Let the mass be reduced, the energy is diminished in the same proportion. If it be reduced to zero the energy is likewise zero for any finite velocity. In other words, it is absolutely impossible to convert mass into energy. It would be different if there were forces in nature capable of imparting to a mass infinite velocity. Then the product of zero mass with the square of infinite velocity would represent infinite energy. But we know that there are no such forces and the idea that (Einstein's nonsense) mass is convertible into energy is rank nonsense." – N. Tesla
"All literature on this subject (relativity) is futile and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the existence of the Ether and the indispensable function it plays in the phenomena (of gravity, etc.)" – N. Tesla
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 06:07:43 PM
appealed to just about all the masses.
Yeah, because we all know HOW WELL (and accurate) THAT SHIT WORKS, bitch ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
NEVER EVER IN HISTORY has something good followed or came out of the the phrase
"The masses, the many people love............."
Apophasis:'NEVER EVER IN HISTORY has something good followed or came out of the the phrase "The masses, the many people love............."
Me:yeah well this is how it works and always worked and its not about to change and makeway for your 'truthful'theory any more than a fly sitting on a wall is going to change the wall.its the strongest that take all in the science realm as much as it is in the political realm.the strongest are usually associated with mass consensus(lotsa people agreeing with whomever's bullshit).that's how it works.a demo that seperates you from everyone else ought to catalyse such consensus.am I right or wrong
Apophasis:'A FUCKING THEORY decades old and already mostly REFUTED by many others????'
Believe it or not,not one rebell ever made the slightest dent in the original general acceptance of einsteinimoniumitis.
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 06:56:46 PM
Believe it or not,not one rebell ever made the slightest dent in the original general acceptance of einsteinimoniumitis.
NOW im 100% certain youre not even serious at all.
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 06:51:48 PM
I right or wrong
Youd be wrong.
"Truth by consensus" is the dirty AIDS infected crack Wh0re you live with. Keep 'her' to yourself.
Apophasis:'Truth by consensus"'
Is the only way to fan the winds of change.like it or not.
Apophasis:'NOW im 100% certain youre not even serious at all.'
Go ask the guy in the street who the greatest scientist was that ever lived :) I'm serious
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 07:12:43 PM
Truth by consensus.......It Is the only way to fan the winds of change.like it or not.
Sure thing bitch, ......we all know how that works
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 07:15:16 PM
Go ask the guy in the street who the greatest scientist was that ever lived :) I'm serious
Go ask the guy in the street about this fucking old man in the sky named god.
KEEP HANGING YOURSELF, its CUTE
Apophasis:'we all know how that works'
Keep writing those books,perhaps they will catch on with the masses and we will have the next bullshit consensus
If space has no force, it would collapse it's obvious any physical body in space would be subject to gravity waves.
Quote from: AlienGrey on February 22, 2015, 07:40:38 PM
If space has no force, it would collapse it's obvious any physical body in space would be subject to gravity waves.
space is the PRODUCT OF force, of divergence, there are no fields IN space, rather space as a posterior attribute of fields and divergences.
Likewise, space cannot, has never been a TERMINAL for either charge OR field, it cannot be.
Space does "collapse", rather is erased, all motion is CURVILINEAR in the universe.
increasing acceleration = decreasing motion and space (however few can grasp that).
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRunfb-fqKU
increasing acceleration = decreasing (BOTH) motion AND space
There are no gravity waves, IAAD (instant action at a distance) disproves same, ALL waves are denotatively TRANSVERSE, not longitudinal and therefore such presumed "waves" acting instantly over distance is self-contradictory.
Quote from: profitis on February 22, 2015, 07:38:26 PM
consensus
EVERY ancient language, the words for
MASSES, POPULAR, PEOPLES ........is the SAME term typically for ......
WRONG, BAD, PROFANE
theres a reason for that son.
In ancient Prakrit,... the term for "peoples / commoner" PUTHUJJANA is the same term for "IDIOT, MORON, Common dufus" ;D ;D
QuoteThe FUTURE is VORTEX ANTENNAS / receivers.
Vortex data transmission is going to make EVERYTHING TODAY soon look like the FUCKING PONY EXPRESS by comparison.
Little by little I'm kind of thinking that everything is a vortex not just in magnets. Maybe I'm wrong but I see the vortex as keeping a "balance" of everything. Like if you imagine echo-location...depending on the frequency of the outgoing wave, you will get a certain frequency only. And also depends on the pulse rate too. In my mind I see a vortex there, sound waves going out, sound waves coming in. The outgoing waves must be spinning in the opposite direction than the sound waves coming in or they would just cancel out. Having said that, it's amazing watching a bat fly in the dark catching insects in its wing and putting in it's mouth mid-flight.
I was also reading about black holes today to try to understand what they mean and I kind of see black holes as a vortex too. We probably cannot see the vortex in the black holes because is in an inviable wave pattern that we cannot detect (not that black holes have been proven as being 100% fact). http://www.nature.com/news/stephen-hawking-there-are-no-black-holes-1.14583
I'm also familiar with any engine turbo, or any typical house hold fan for that matter, how it works. The principal is that it vortexes air in to inject air to the engine. The fan is a half of the vortex. It is not a self run vortex because is man made manipulating the laws, but I kind of see is as half a vortex....
So vortex data transmission, that sounds interesting.
PS, I don't own any basketballs but I'm picturing that if a basket ball drops to the floor spinning clockwise it would bounce back counterclockwise? do you have a basketball? lol
Quote from: joel321 on February 22, 2015, 10:17:57 PM
Little by little I'm kind of thinking that everything is a vortex not just in magnets. Maybe I'm wrong but I see the vortex as keeping a "balance" of everything.
youre not wrong, youre 100% right.
even a ball thrown in the air and falling back down is a vortex
hows that? :oimagines how incredibly fast the earth is spinning, and then apply that to the ACTUAL path of the ball thrown up and falling down.
you have thence a nice vortex.
Here goes nothing..lol
QuoteWith my apologizes to Ken because I use his topic for my own ramblings, and also to you because what follow to say is not so easy to swallow, but I want to assure you it is not personally at all. I'll just use your own words to exemplify something which is very hard to sense. I'll continue with my opinion and hope to be right understood.
Hey you are not insulting me so I'm more focused in trying to understand. Being humble with assertion gets you very far man. I'll try my best to understand but I'm new to this myself so I may not understand what you mean at all. But it's not big deal, we are just exchanging words to learn. Learning and moving forward is the ultimate goal.
QuoteAccording to my way of thinking I see in your last message a clear example of a circular reasoning. This happen without even you notice this fact! When you talk about the empty space you make conscious but also unconscious use of well defined term "DENSITY" and other similar. You use it consciously in your reasoning in a comparative way, and unconsciously when you develop further your way of reasoning using the term "DENSITY" as a well established reference to which other elements in your analysis can be related.
To me it's all just science politics. And words define the politicians. Actually to me, to be honest, the words don't mean that much because in whatever language they are defined, they will always mean the same thing regarding nature laws. Like water...you can call it any other word you wish, it is still water. Language does not define matter. The existence of matter defines the word.
Me using the word density, I'm only using it in the sense that everything is dense to me...my own person way of thinking. I'm not using the word "density" how a scientists would use it. I'm mostly using the word density globally not specifically. If I can explain myself.
QuoteFor me this is a formula that don't tell anything. Is a flat, circular, an apparent and misleading solution. I don't know for sure any of its three elements. I believe I know and understand, but this is just a very superficial point of view, because I don't know what really is the term called mass. Don't say there are many kind of mass. However, the mass is associated with matter, which again I don't know what really is. I associate it with atomic, subatomic, quantum, sub-quantum PARTICLES, the last term being also a big UNKNOWN, defined very clear by science exactly in the same circular way of thinking, appealing to the same well established (in reality totally UNKNOWN) terms, renamed to differentiate them according to their use (macro, micro levels). Hope you can comprehend what I want to say, and I yet not went on fields to pasture with grace!!!
Hey man you and me both plus 99% of the population. We just need to keep on learning. If our way of thinking is a vortex, the young minds only live far away from the center of the vortex...lol.
But I'm pretty sure there are vortex minds that branch out.
It's all a matter of perception. The ones that want to learn, want to go deep in the understanding. The ones that don't, just want to be taught what to do with their lives by those that go deep. But then again I may not know what you mean since you may be living in a different wave frequency withing the frequency of human life.
QuoteThe same pattern apply to any other formula from nowadays science. And we are educated in this way of thinking, grow with these deeply buried in the subconscious and using them as immutable references in our way of reasoning, manifesting and shaping the world accordingly. The destruction is perpetuated everywhere around us!
The way I see peoples way of thinking is a vortex. The information comes inwards from our eyes, ears, nose, touch, and everything is processed in the brain to project out. Since everyone in the world does not think the someway, we are all living according to our brain frequency....believe it or not, we don't control ourself but the waves do. And those waves come from the quantum "particles"....honestly, all humans do not have free will....although they would believe they do but most of their free will is very controlled by the atoms/sub-micronism (is that even a word? lol) of the body. To me is simple just by saying, let me piss from my index finger! I can't cus' those are micro or organisms rules. We are actually being controlled and out path is well understood by them.
Food for thought! But i'm kind of crazy myself. Lol
QuoteNow, after all these were said, maybe will be seen with other eyes the Ken's dielectric inertial plane, or counterspace, or ether and also its manifestation in the single possible way, ie in reciprocity (not in opposition at all) or as I call it in complementarity, the magnetism being just a form from infinite ways of ether manifestation. Who's the observer and where can he be placed in this new view is a task for each one in part, and can not be expressed by any individual being.
All I'm saying that all minds live in a certain frequency and all frequencies have a path to keep on moving. What that means to me personally is that it's onlly a matter to tap into the frequency if you have a healthy brain. It just takes time no mater what is defined, water will always be water and air will always be air = same mind frequency.
From what I can see we just need to tap into TA's mind frequency and then surpass him to teach him a thing or two :P. There is always the possibility that he has had shit load of time to look deeper and the only problem is that we can't understand with out lagging brains. If that is the case, that means he is wayyy ahead of his time in the years 2015. But that's just my personal opinion.
I just like learning and would appreciate if you can teach me something.
Quote from: joel321 on February 23, 2015, 12:23:00 AM
There is always the possibility that he has had shit load of time to look deeper and the only problem is that we can't understand with out lagging brains.
the FAR GREATER likelihood is that you and everyone else on this goddamn planet,......spend all your time worrying about
getting paid
getting laid
paying the bills
keeping your chick happy
keeping your rug rats fed and in line
working your goddamn ass off at a shit job etc etc etc etc etc
I have NONE of those fucking concerns
and was well trained in ancient methods and teachings that nobody todays knows about nor would EVER study.
that combined with a weirdo mind for being able to figure out abstruse nuanced stuff other people never give a damn or think about EVER.
Quote from: sadang on February 22, 2015, 03:50:15 PM
How many experiments made by Ken did you try to reproduce to say they can not be measured? Or how many from traditional science you have reproduced and measured? Could you bring an example of what can be measured about magnets according to traditional science?
Sadang, I guess you are smarter than TA, I am reading your posts and I find you yourself already gave answers for these questions. I've never done any experiment. In this case, this guy himself says that that's immeasurable. Magnetic field I guess is measurable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field)) and he even denies the existence of magnetic field. In this discussion I only try to expose his cases of inconsistency, like this one about A Einstein: This one and that one is just pure theory, but him (TA) stubbornly claims that his is not. Or his aphorism about "simple explanation" which he somehow is unable to keep himself.
Quote from: Qwert on February 23, 2015, 01:02:29 AM
In this case, this guy himself says that that's immeasurable. Magnetic field I guess is measurable
Inertia, the Ether, the dielectric inertial plane which is INDIVISIBLE , nor can be "cut out" are immeasurable............. Of this there is no doubt
Your fucking "GODS" have declared 80% or more of the cosmos "dark matter" ...................its certainly NOT matter, and "DARK" is only their MYSTERY WORD FOR "we dont fucking know what the hell it is"
Unlike YOU, ......Im wise enough to know our
"advanced society" is still living in the
intellectual STONE AGE of cosmic comprehension.
The nature of, the definition of
Incommensurability , the immeasurable was the "greatest secret" - Pythagoras of the Neo-Pythagoreans, and the Platonists.
You want 10,000 examples of Incommensurability OTHER THAN the dielectric inertia plane of a magnet?
How many do you want???
The "nothing" at the center of galaxies that spit out TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of tons of matter per second .......as known as "GALACTIC JETS"
The "nothing" the HOLE at the center of your eyes which take in everything
The "nothing" the HOLE at the center of your ears that hear everything
The "nothing" the HOLE at the center of your mouth that speaks
The "nothing" the HOLE at the center of both sexes crotches that combine to make life
The "nothing" the HOLE at the center of your navel thats proof you were born'
The "nothing" the HOLE we draw as ZERO (0) , which added to the end of the number 1 means "EVERYTHING"
That indivisible line of pure inertia CONCENTRATED AT (the opposite of space, as meant counterspace), which you and other godddamn idiots are calling a "Bloch wall" ( a meaningless term of NO explanation) is the inertial plane 'driving' what you think is duality, or polarity.
Your mind is as limited as a hog who only looks down in search of SLOP
Apophasis:'Those that DO, and those that TALK...... Youre the later.'
I was the first guy in HISTORY to take public credit for discovery of the everlasting catalytic spillover class of galvanic cell my friend.I even gave a handful replicable demonstrations in violate faradays monster law of equivalency buddy.this is a huge leap forward for science.and I used the standard model to catapult my way to power.no scientist can now declare:'I have discovered the catalytic spillover galvanic cell' except me.
Replicable demos that strictly seperate you from the rest are magical.they silence all criticism like a thunder-clap.saves a thousand words
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2015, 02:07:34 AM
Apophasis:'Those that DO, and those that TALK...... Youre the later.'
I was the first guy in HISTORY to take public credit for discovery of the everlasting catalytic spillover galvanic cell my friend.I even gave a handful replicable demonstrations in violate faradays monster law of equivalency buddy.this is a huge leap forward for science.and I used the standard model to catapult my way to power.no scientist can now declare:'I have discovered the catalytic spillover galvanic cell' except me.
Replicable demos that strictly seperate you from the rest are magical.they silence all criticism like a thunder-clap.saves a thousand words
I have 5 unique ferrofluid suspensions, a wholly new method of biological grow using a technique even Rawls and Davis never dreamed of,....and the worlds first complete and accurate explanation of magnetism, and how a magnet works.
what magic son? I use empirical models and logic to back them up. ;D
Why dont you go invent a better dildo or something and get rich. My concerns lay else-wise than yours. ;D
So, your claim is that you invented the galvanostat potentiostat? ;D ;D
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2015, 02:07:34 AM
Replicable demos that strictly seperate you
Its "separate" , son.
Im not trying to replicate anything, asshole, rather EXPLAIN
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2015, 02:07:34 AM
I was the first guy in HISTORY to take public credit for discovery of the everlasting catalytic spillover galvanic cell
http://www.pccplab.tuc.gr/fileadmin/users_data/pccplab/articles3/56.pdf
Is that cousin to the everlasting gobstopper?? ;D ;D ;D
"Everlasting" is the WH0RE word of science on par with "overunity" and "Pixie dust"
input data: Everlasting
output: DOES NOT COMPUTE IN ANY UNIVERSE
Apophasis:'Im not trying to replicate anything love, rather EXPLAIN'
Your backup is an explanation?
Apophasis:'Everlasting" is the WH0RE word of science on par with "overunity" and "Pixie dust"'
These words coming from a guy who says bismuth will heat straightup above ambient spontaneously?
Your trying to change PERCEPTION apophasis.a tough road. the masses enjoy watching magnet thingys, one thing in your favour
@Qwert
QuoteSadang, I guess you are smarter than TA, I am reading your posts and I find you yourself already gave answers for these questions.
You can guess what you want. It is your right. But I'll never subscribe to this kind of comparative discussions about human beings. Because my ancestors have thought me deep truths such as: "what you seed, is what you crop" and "Never do to others what you wouldn't have them do to you".
Now, how can be measured something than can't be measured? What can be measured, is what is actually defined as magnetic field. But the current magnetic+field is an expression formed by two words, apparently very well known and understood, but in essence a totally understood expression. It just a superficial description of a phenomena, because there is no any matter or field beyond the human mental convention and interpretation. More than that these terms are defined in the actual reasoning paradigm of an empty space and are available only in this paradigm. But I suppose you are aware the current science is trying to fill that 99.999999999996 empty space from the volume of an H atom with something, which it calls dark energy, zero field energy or other names, without even sensing the main problem is not about to fill this empty space with something to fit in the actual scientific theory but to rethink the actual theories based on an all pervading substance which is already manifesting regardless we call it. The ancient civilizations were very aware of its existence as something from each individual humans are part of and as just a possible manifesting shape of its infinite manifestations.
Now, what is a field being it even magnetic, beyond the math abstraction and arbitrary human convention? Is something manifesting that can be delimited and measured, isn't it? Is something manifesting in what? Of course, in an empty space, or in an lab well controlled environment! Always in an empty space from which we humans can extract, isolate, define a closed system in which we can establish internal laws and measure its different characteristics and imposing our own interpretation to others with the nuance of an immutable truth. And because "the repetition is the mother of learning" (a very wrong way of learning which create only bio-robots, animated slaves, just poor copy-paste creatures instead of omnipotent creators) and because "the habit is the second human nature" we perpetuate these "immutable truths" without asking about their validity, origins, value of truth, applicability, its limitations and so on.
Go further by yourself and make analysis of another fundamental and very used word, namely "space". Will be amassed what you will find at a really deep analysis. Of course for this way of thinking you need huge courage and responsibility for what will understand at conscious levels of existence but mainly what will sense with your own intuition and will can not explain in plain words.
After this "brief" intro try to understand Ken's mind and his way of thinking, taking into account his a translator from ancient languages which works mainly with symbols not with letters. And don't try to relate him to you, but also relate you to his way of thinking. That's the real arts of understanding!
Sorry for this rambling, I don't have abilities of a teacher and often I get lost in details, opening too many parenthesis.
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@joel321
QuoteI just like learning and would appreciate if you can teach me something.
I'm not a teacher, I'm a student at life's school. But not of that life defined by others according to their interests or way of thinking. I learn from you all, becasue real knowledge has no end. or with other words "the more you know, the more you realize you do not know anything".
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@profitis
QuoteMe: well then thers nothing to go on.I have a rule-of-thumb that never fails:if your revolution is understandable by the peasant masses and makes sense to them then and only then are you going to move mountains.apophasis needs ONE experiment that destroys the standard model outright.just ONE.understandable to all
I not here to make revolutions. Revolutions are made by others and are well manipulate to create people the appearance of a revolution. Stay away from me with any kind of ideas.
It's not my way to impose others something, even if I have all the truth in the world with me. But my way is to expose that thing and try to make understandable to others. In this equation the effort has to be from both parts. And I'm very aware it will not be made by many!
And stop applying your rule of thumb in open discussions. Also would be a step of common sense to express for yourself avoiding to appeal at demagogic statements which imply large masses of people and their will, needs and so on! Forget about politics here! Go on the road of knowledge by solitude and sacrifice yourself for others. Do not sacrifice others for your truth!
QuoteDid you manage to replicate?
Not yet! As I said I'll replicate this week and will be here with the results and my own interpretation. I still leave in the real world with all its conditioning.
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@TheoriaApophasis
QuoteIve finally worked out the mystery behind the nature of HIGH GAUSS capacity in Neo Iron Boron and samarium cobalt
Great news! However I have to lean my attention on hyperboloid because you talk too often about it in the last messages. I have a mental image and some senses about it, but I'll try to find what you mean with this 3D projective shape.
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2015, 02:59:51 AM
Apophasis:'Everlasting" is the WH0RE word of science on par with "overunity" and "Pixie dust"'
These words coming from a guy who says bismuth will heat straightup above ambient spontaneously?
thats not overunity, son. its extremely simplex magnetic divergence against natures MOST LOW magnetic permeability element, bismuth. ie diamagnetic.
its ultimately NOT MUCH DIFF than ass burn against a carpet ;D ;D ;D
I never said STRAIGHT UP, it takes about 10mins+ to see same, and its ONLY a few degrees, dummy.
Or, did you think I FAKED the FLIR shots? I bet you do. ..... Psssst, dont give a shit what you believe ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2015, 03:28:31 AM
Your trying to change PERCEPTION apophasis
not true actually, i DO LIKE to debate however, but wisdom and comprehension are my ultimate reward.
case you forget, .....im not selling ANY DAMN THING
NOTHING.
Sadang:'I not here to make revolutions'
Me: sure but apohasis evidently is with statements like:'an electron is not a particle and I can prove it' or 'particles-waves are bullshit ideas'
Statements like these are nothing short of total revolution
Quote from: sadang on February 23, 2015, 03:38:38 AM
@TheoriaApophasis
Great news! However I have to lean my attention on hyperboloid because you talk too often about it in the last messages. I have a mental image and some senses about it, but I'll try to find what you mean with this 3D projective shape.
Compounded (multiple 'lines') divergent (spatial) NATURAL (natures) LINES
likewise a reciprocating hyperboloid creates a hypotrochoid, ..........the necessitated field force (=magnetism) pressure mediation seen from a magnet as i predicted ,..... and later discovered under the FERROCELL.
The hyperboloid IS NATURES "line"..........remember what "her" LINE IS.
now COMPOUND IT,..... inverse to counterspace is space,...... and each "pole" is moving inverse respective to the other, but each moving the same direction with respect to the "center".
of course natures hyperboloid is a perfect "point" at the center, unlike this picture below (the white string picture):
A true magnetic hyperboloid is a "TWO SHEET MODEL HYPERBOLOID"which, in appearance, they dont look connected (either force / half).....but they ARE, connected in counterspace
**** Amazingly in seeing same, ...in bringing two magnets together ...("attraction" , a bs ideation!, rather dielectric voidance) ..... you can see
TWO HALVES of the hyperboloids creating a SPHERE, ............and that sphere rapidly SHRINKING ;D
That crafty bitch, Mother nature, I finally figured out how her magnet works. ;D
ROFL
Apophasis:'Or, did you think I FAKED the FLIR shots?'
Not necessarily.if true,it doesn't necessarily validate your theories anyway.a 2nd law violation can happen using a standard branch offshoot model of physics,thanks to quantum electrodynamics
Likewise, the Magneto-dielectric hyperboloid is NOTHING other than the POINCARE' DISK MODEL in necessitated mirror "polarity" (bad word)
The reciprocating hyperboloid (from one spatial side to the other) "draws out" the Hypotrochoid, it MUST as dictated by the nature of force and motion curvilinear assimilation to the net-0 INERTIAL PLANE
Apohasis:'Likewise, the Magneto-dielectric hyperboloid is NOTHING other than the POINCARE' DISK MODEL in necessitated mirror "polarity" (bad word)
The reciprocating hyperboloid (from one spatial side to the other) "draws out" the Hypotrochoid, it MUST as dictated by the nature of force and motion curvilinear assimilation to the net-0 INERTIAL PLANE'
So your revolution grows out from the standard model?
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2015, 04:14:55 AM
So your revolution grows out from the standard model?
Application of common sense and Platonic logic to the ANCIENT enigma of IAAD (instant action at a distance) and the nature of ALL Field modalities, especially magnetism.
No magic, no BS,................................... and NO "virtual particles" and pixie dust BULLSHIT of GR and QM.
Wisdom IS A REVOLUTION in "your world" of idiots, goofs, and dumbasses.......... who made a fucking GOD out of an ASSHOLE that said "space acts on things and does thing" ;D
what standard model,...... there was NO model of magnetism that contained more than 10% truth as pertains magnetism or "how it works".
You speak as IF it was already there . ;D
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2015, 04:09:48 AM
Not necessarily.if true,it doesn't necessarily validate your theories
I seek NOT your validation for anything.
IF someone like YOU agreed with me, THEN id be scared and worried.
Apophasis:'You speak as IF it was already there . ;D'
And you can show us that it isn't?or explain us that it isn't
Apophasis:'IF someone like YOU agreed with me,'
I don't agree with you and neither do I disagree with you.I just want a fucking demo to show a wobbling,oscillating kinked force vortex springing out of each and every magnet
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2015, 04:26:07 AM
And you can show us that it isn't?or explain us that it isn't
youre drunk, pet the cute OWL
QuoteMe: sure but apohasis evidently is with statements like:'an electron is not a particle and I can prove it' or 'particles-waves are bullshit ideas'
I say the same thing; the electron is not a particle at all! And the particle-wave duality is just an another matter of a wrong and limited interpretation of phenomena. To see things in another view start with finding what is the meaning of the term "space" as deep as you can! After you will have clear in mind what is "space" and how it relate to you and you to it, then make an analysis of what is a "particle" and the "particle-wave" duality, their concrete existence, their proprieties as are now defined by current scientific model, their correctness and so on. Few years of intense mental and practical research. My friendly advice is to go on a great library and start reading about the wisdom of ancient civilizations. You will be amazed what will find about their very high cultural, spiritual and material achievements.
@TheoriaApophasis
To comprehend all these someone has to see them from counterspace, the fulcrum of all imaginable ether manifestations. A great new and much more comprehensible view of Universe!
Quote**** Amazingly in seeing same, ...in bringing two magnets together ...("attraction" , a bs ideation!, rather dielectric voidance) ..... you can see TWO HALVES of the hyperboloids creating a SPHERE, ............and that sphere rapidly SHRINKING
... due to their opposite direction of rotation (of course the same seen from counterspace) and reducing its size as the magnets approach each other. I think I can see it, even I still did not comprehend all its implications.
Sadang:'My friendly advice is to
go on a great library and start reading'
Spare me the bullshit mr sadang do you think I'm stupid.mr apophasis is up against the whole fucking society mindset with his declaration.I'm a pushover in the wind compared to those monsters up high I'm trying to roughen and toughen you nerds up.apophasis has too much bark and zero bite that's what I'm saying.he needs to convince(co-erce) them not me.if his booksales can reach past the million mark with all that barking then maybe he'l be lucky enough to get a greetingcard from those that matter.he better use it wisely
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2015, 10:14:25 AM
Spare me the bullshit mr sadang do you think I'm stupid
i know I DONT THINK YOU ARE, I know you are
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2015, 10:14:25 AM
mr apophasis is up against the whole fucking society mindset
said who asshole? Society can ROT in its own ignorances, it always has.
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2015, 10:14:25 AM
if his booksales can reach past the million
Total fucking bullshit, im not selling anything, INCLUDING the book.
Youre drunk, and an idiot. ;D ;D ;D
Apohasis:'total fucking bullshit, im not selling anything, INCLUDING the
book.'
Great.now they'l think your just barking in the wind.sell that book,a price adds value to anything.look at hawking and his crap.a price turned his crap into almost god-like status(well that plus the wheelchair vibes,again emotional relation of the peasants)
TA, From all of your images that I've seen I conclude that the vortex is just a "bond" of anything. I only see that the vortex is just a way of containing a any wave.
As a matter of fact, if there was not vortex, everything would ether go up or down for infinite if I'm not mistaking.
But since you are speaking about the vortex of magnetism, there has to be a frequency to that vortex to keep being a vortex of magnetism and not a vortex of light.
Very interesting.
Now have you ever wondered what comes out of the vortex that influences other vortexes....lol...pretty mind boggling for me.
Quote from: joel321 on February 24, 2015, 12:15:13 AM
TA, From all of your images that I've seen I conclude that the vortex is just a "bond" of anything. I only see that the vortex is just a way of containing a any wave.
A vortex is ultimately
just an expression of a TETHER, like that old exercise toy where you whacked a ball on a rubber string that went out and came back.
everything in the cosmos is on a tether.
Birth and death, discharge and charge.............shot and recoil. etc.
Quote from: joel321 on February 24, 2015, 12:15:13 AM
As a matter of fact, if there was not vortex, everything would ether go up or down for infinite if I'm not mistaking.
youre not mistaken.
Quote from: joel321 on February 24, 2015, 12:15:13 AM
But since you are speaking about the vortex of magnetism, there has to be a frequency to that vortex to keep being a vortex of magnetism and not a vortex of light.
There is, and its a phase shift and its quantifiably measurable, especially in LIGHT and biological experimentations.
Quote from: joel321 on February 24, 2015, 12:15:13 AM
.pretty mind boggling for me.
Its mind boggling, but its not INSANE nonsense as our current idiot "science" proclaims it to be.
As said, ,,,,...."Mother nature" isnt an insane crack Wh0re, as GR and QM paint her as. ;D ;D
QuoteA vortex is ultimately just an expression of a TETHER, like that old exercise toy where you whacked a ball on a rubber string that went out and came back.
everything in the cosmos is on a tether.
Birth and death, discharge and charge.............shot and recoil. Etc.
That makes sense.
Now can you tell me if humans, viruses, animals, galaxies, etc, need to "eat" what does a vortex eat?
QuoteThere is, and its a phase shift and its quantifiably measurable, especially in LIGHT and biological experimentations.
Can you explain the phase shift of this image that you posted http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/dlattach/attach/147402/image//
It starts as being geometrical but then it goes crazy in the explosion where there are circles missing. And can you say wich way the circular patterns are moving.
Does a vortex have a curvature?
If it does, what influences a vortex curve?
QuoteAs said, ,,,,...."Mother nature" isnt an insane crack Wh0re, as GR and QM paint her as
It's still mind boggling to me. But I see a pattern of negative VS positive. As if they both influence each other to become one. I don't know what GR nor QM means tho. Hmmmm although I can kind of picture that the earth is spinning in one directing ONLY due to the part of the magnetic earths vortex having an imbalanced vortex. And that imbalance is what make any spin towards the inside OR spins towards the outside.
Someone has to ask, why is the earth spinning. Heck is the earth spinning clock wise or counter clockwise?
Quote from: joel321 on February 24, 2015, 01:44:20 AM
Now can you tell me if humans, viruses, animals, galaxies, etc, need to "eat" what does a vortex eat?
isnt that a unique angle of attack in a question. A vortex is a dual expression of both divergence and convergence,
so your correct question is "what does a vortex SHIT, and what does it EAT"
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: joel321 on February 24, 2015, 01:44:20 AM
Can you explain the phase shift of this image that you posted http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/dlattach/attach/147402/image//
THAT specific image is not of a phase shift, but the hypotrochoid pattern of the reciprocating hyperboloid which is the magnetic field force.
Ive posted vids of the color phase shift of the rarefaction on the "n pole" and compression on the "s pole", and will most many more using biological experimentations.
Quote from: joel321 on February 24, 2015, 01:44:20 AM
It starts as being geometrical but then it goes crazy in the explosion where there are circles missing. And can you say wich way the circular patterns are moving.
its not missing circles, ....its just PART OF a section diagram of the UNFOLDING hypertrochoid expression, like a picture of HALF a car.
Quote from: joel321 on February 24, 2015, 01:44:20 AM
Does a vortex have a curvature?
If it does, what influences a vortex curve?
pressure mediation, same centrifugal force 'fighting' centripetal convergence, just as you see in a COIN FUNNEL.
Quote from: joel321 on February 24, 2015, 01:44:20 AM
It's still mind boggling to me. But I see a pattern of negative VS positive.
What youre really seeing is a
NET TOTAL 0 expression where force lay between two plenums (or what you would call "rest", ie inertia)
In the "magic faucet" amusement, there is a meaningless faucet seemingly hanging in the air with no source for its water nor its
support; it constantly pours out water, contrary to conventional visual views and logic, it is amusing to watch. Of course, what is
holding up this faucet is a clear plastic tube within which water is being pumped up thru the tube to just inside the faucet, and then
over the edge it flows via gravity outside the clear tube, both occluding the clear tube from view and making it seem that water is only
pouring out, rather than up and into the faucet. All of this is driven by an electrical water pump hidden in the pool, which is not
visible.
In a "magnet", the "pump" driving the magnetism (water), which flows, is the dielectric inertial plane concentrated and focused at
the center (actually its everywhere, but forced to the midpoint by incommensurate magneto-dielectric geometry of opposite fields in a
binding system, the "magnet". As such dielectricity is NOT 'located' at the center.). While in the case of the "magic faucet"
amusement, gravity is causing the resultant convergence back to the pool from which it was pumped, in the case of the "magnet",
convergent return of the 'dielectric field' (i.e. magnetism) is driven by simplex pressure mediation of the reciprocating and "flowing"
divergent radiation that is magnetism resultant from the point non-specific dielectricity either coherent or increased dielectric
capacitance, as present all throughout the physical "magnet".
Quoteisnt that a unique angle of attack in a question. A vortex is a dual expression of both divergence and convergence,
so your correct question is "what does a vortex SHIT, and what does it EAT"
Just tell me if the sun in our milky way spins in the opposite direction of the earth planet rotation.
I still have to imagine that a vortex us eating sub-atomic particles are are even being influenced to turn certain way. Like your mind, it's turning along the way how the earth is spinning thousands of miles in the perimeter....not matter what your thoughts are, they are always spinning with the speed of the earths rotation. Which from I can understand is thousand of miles per second. SO, the magnetic vortex cannot be straight in the center....wow now we have vortexes that have curved cones lol.
QuoteTHAT specific image is not of a phase shift, but the hypotrochoid pattern of the reciprocating hyperboloid which is the magnetic field force.
Ive posted vids of the color phase shift of the rarefaction on the "n pole" and compression on the "s pole", and will most many more using biological experimentations.
I believe in your vortex, i'm just trying to find it hard to believe that a vortex is a 100% perfect geometrical vortex. That is what i'm getting at...since a vortex also needs to make babies lol, if you can understand what I mean. So a vortex cannot be 100% straight since you have mentioned that the perimeter of earth is spinning thousands of miles per second, I think. So if the vortex of a magnet is also influenced by the spinning of the earth so that makes the vortex "wobble" too....wobbling inside wobbles.
What i'm saying is that is that I believe in vortexes but the vortexes also curve because if they did not, the it would just cancel out. = a vortex vortexes to up, down, left, right, ONLY.
A vortex cannot be 100% straight if the earth is spinning thousands of miles in the perimeter....so your pictures can NOT be all geometrical up or down.
Quotepressure mediation, same centrifugal force 'fighting' centripetal convergence, just as you see in a COIN FUNNEL.
is the sun spinning the opposite way from the earth?
BTW, I don't get the deep meaning about that "MAGIC FAUCET". An electric pump is just pushing the water up and b;locking it to go down the clear pipe.
What really AMAZES me is how can a solid glass be clear! There is something in front t of our noses that is evading us that we take for granted. A solid "glass" that we can see through it? Which, to me, makes me what to think, what other PHENOMA is there that we cannot detect but only can see through?
Mind boggling to me.
duplicate
Quote from: joel321 on February 24, 2015, 02:51:35 AM
BTW, I don't get the deep meaning about that "MAGIC FAUCET". An electric pump is just pushing the water up and b;locking it to go down the clear pipe.
some people cannot grasp analogies and make abstruse connections.
Quotesome people cannot grasp analogies and make abstruse connections.
I'm more interested in you telling me why we can see through water or glass? Right now> Sorry if I'm ignoring your other points.
Your eyeballs have a "clear" lens to see. You have to ask yourself, why are the light rays passing straight through the glass and still be a solid.
Sorry to get off topic but that is amazing to me!
Why can we see through solid glass and not through solid metal?
Quote from: joel321 on February 24, 2015, 03:25:57 AM
Your eyeballs have a "clear" lens to see. You have to ask yourself, why are the light rays passing straight through the glass and still be a solid.
light / EM passes thru EVERYTHING, depending on the frequency
stop smoking dope
Quotelight / EM passes thru EVERYTHING, depending on the frequency
I was just reading an article the other day regarding x-rays. The only way i perceived to understand the x-rays is that they build the light rays pass the matter via a vortex in the middle to make the light not scatter and then due to the light going through he solid then making the other obstacle go back through the "solid" to reflect a light picture.
Now does light passes through itself? lol
I don't smoke dope bro I just ask shit load of questions. :)
I have to ask myself that if an eye lens "curves" light, then the same is for any solid matter. A glass (lens) filters out light and a rock filters our more light but light may pass through glass but not enough to see through rocks since we only see due to the light that reflects inside our eyes. = everything that we see is because 99% of it is due to the items reflecting light in to our eyes. That does not reflect in to our eyes is invisible.
I'm just thinking too much man but I do believe in vortexes in the magnet.
Now I have to go feed my t-rex pet.
TA, this excerpt is from your book, page 163/236 of pdf:
"The old method of demonstrating magnetism via iron filings is both horrible and an error since the iron dust undergoes magnetic induction."
"The iron dust undergoes magnetic induction." What's wrong with this? Can you elaborate (explain shortly)? To my knowledge this is exactly why science uses it: to show (imaginary lines of) magnetic induction.
On page 162-163 of the same book, there is a description of ferrocells by Timm A. Vanderelli. I entirely agree with that. But there is nothing about your concept. All those images are still, and according to your concept they should move as "vortex" is associated with movement and your descriptions imply so. Why they are still, not moving? EXPLAIN.
Qwert:'Why they are still, not moving? EXPLAIN.'
Apophasis also says that in an atomic bomb,no mass is lost into heat.no e=mc2.highly contraversial is he.lots of barking,where's the bite?
Heisenberg came around and gave us all space to fuck around.now apophasis wants to lay down the law..woe to us all! Lol
Quote from: Qwert on February 24, 2015, 07:17:06 AM
"The iron dust undergoes magnetic induction." What's wrong with this? Can you elaborate (explain shortly)? To my knowledge this is exactly why science uses it: to show (imaginary lines of) magnetic induction.
because the dust filings become their OWN magnets and are locked in place.
This is AS USELESS as seeing or defining or understanding what a "rabbit" is (analogy) via its mere dirt tracks with "magic dust" if someone has never seen a rabbit before.
Theyre depressions in the dirt (in this case, force depressions IN THE FIELD) which show general directionality,
but not movement, nor orthogonality, nor illuminate the vortex of same.Such requires LIGHT, or as i created myself, a special viscosity ferro-susspension.
Quote from: Qwert on February 24, 2015, 07:17:06 AM
On page 162-163 of the same book, there is a description of ferrocells by Timm A. Vanderelli. I entirely agree with that. But there is nothing about your concept. All those images are still, and according to your concept they should move as "vortex" is associated with movement and your descriptions imply so. Why they are still, not moving? EXPLAIN.
my special viscosity ferro-susspension DOES MOVE in stated vortex pattern.
likewise there are other methods using weak acid solutions
likewise other diamagnetic suspensions that do that same.
Even TINMANS simplex underwater demos show same endlessly.
AS FOR THE FERROCELL, the
hypotrochoid pattern IS a compounded reciprocating vortex definitionally. It cannot exist any other way.
Suggest you research how ANY and ALL hypotrochoid patterns are created, NECESSITATIVELY
Apohasis:'my special viscosity ferro-susspension DOES MOVE in stated vortex pattern.'
Do You got a pic or vid of this
Quote from: profitis on February 24, 2015, 12:38:55 PM
Apohasis:'my special viscosity ferro-susspension DOES MOVE in stated vortex pattern.'
Do You got a pic or vid of this
yes, ive only posted that pic here maybe 100 times.
theres a vid also on my channel.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 24, 2015, 04:16:57 PM
theres a vid also on my channel.
More specific? A link to the vid?
Of course, the magnetic dust is useless for science:
it's only useful to show (usually for kids and those who don't ask questions ;) )
that there is certain pattern of such field. Certainly a kind of people won't understand
your theory; the dust show is for them.
Quote from: Qwert on February 24, 2015, 05:34:21 PM
that there is certain pattern of such field.
thats like saying "rice can keep you alive"
So, fuck em ..........and just throw em rice, water, and bread.
"WE" can do better.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 24, 2015, 06:30:55 PM
thats like saying "rice can keep you alive"
So, fuck em ..........and just throw em rice, water, and bread.
"WE" can do better.
I also asked you for a link to the video. Otherwise there is still no proof that yours is real.
Quote from: Qwert on February 24, 2015, 10:08:51 PM
I also asked you for a link to the video. Otherwise there is still no proof that yours is real.
so you dont remember the 100 other times I posted it here?
memory issues?????? ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 24, 2015, 10:45:02 PM
so you dont remember the 100 other times I posted it here?
memory issues? ??? ?? ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4)
Normal scientific papers don't ask their readers if they have memory issues,
only their authors show full reference and when they cite, they add additional reference,
often as exact as possible, how and where to find a source of their tests.
Of course, pseudo-scientific junk don't care for that.
The test which link into you cite above, shows a test tube with a transparent liquid
and a kind of dust which falls down under influence of gravity; no sign of any
centrifugal -like or other vortex-like movement can be seen there.
However, my concern is those examples which you show extensively on this forum
and in that paper: why there is no vortex-like, centrifuugal movement?
Quote from: Qwert on February 25, 2015, 12:14:11 AM
no sign of any
centrifugal -like or other vortex-like movement can be seen there.
actually there is, namely close up.
but youre confusing me with someone who gives a shit what you think , feel or believe. Son. ;D
IF however you think you can explain how to make a hypotrochoid WITHOUT drawing out a vortex
......let me know, bitch. Because, you cannot. ;D
I see a swirly cork-screw pattern there in that test-tube but now let's see if we can attack this using conventional science. Question for apohasis: do the Fe3O4 particles always swirl in the same direction when falling top to bottom?can this not be explained via lenz-current-internal-induction correction shifting of particle crystals along crystal planes steering them as they fall.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 25, 2015, 12:26:00 AM
actually there is, namely close up.
but youre confusing me with someone who gives a shit what you think , feel or believe. Son. ;D
IF however you think you can explain how to make a hypotrochoid WITHOUT drawing out a vortex
......let me know, bitch. Because, you cannot. ;D
I can't. And I even won't try, since the proof is your burden, not mine.
Till you won't do it, it stays as another piece of pseudo-scientific, unprovable example.
Your devoted ;) son :-*
P.S.
Yes, you are right, I confuse you with shit.
Another question for apophasis: what is the proposed frequency of oscillations of a magnetic at room temperature.equal to far infrared? Faster? Slower?
Quote from: profitis on February 25, 2015, 12:38:12 AM
I see a swirly cork-screw pattern there in that test-tube but now the let's see if we can attack this using conventional science. Question for apohasis: do the Fe3O4 particles always swirl in the same direction when falling top to bottom?can this not be explained via lenz-current-internal-induction correction shifting of particle crystals along crystal planes steering them as they fall.
no they dont,
likewise my biological experiments will show certain see growth swirling CW or CCW depending on the field theyre grown under.
Quote from: profitis on February 25, 2015, 12:38:12 AM
let's see if we can attack this using conventional science.
Yes, your same STONE AGE "conventional science" that thinks magnetism is micro unicorns, Errrr I meant "virtual particles"
that "conventional science" good luck with that nonsense
These pictures resemble description of Timm A. Vanderelli, not yours, TA.
Quote from: profitis on February 25, 2015, 12:46:41 AM
Another question for apophasis: what is the proposed frequency of oscillations of a magnetic at room temperature.equal to far infrared? Faster? Slower?
in relation to what, IR heat generation in a supra-diagmagnetic element? such as bismuth?
frequency is unknown, only the phase shift is quantified, and that is yet unmeasured by anyone, only that its presence is without refutation.
The speed of magnetic reciprocation is STILL UNKNOWN, and the FORMULA for it was composed by
CP STEINMETZ ages ago......and NOBODY yet has ever done or calculated his formula for the speed of same.
Quote from: Qwert on February 25, 2015, 12:50:56 AM
These pictures resemble description of Timm A. Vanderelli, not yours, TA.
Timm :
1. never mentions a hypotrochoid, I do
2. Hes not the only person with his Ferrocell invention
3. A picture of light under divergence from magnetism is NOT HIS "description" or ANYONES "description"
NEXT
The only way I knew about his invention, was researching what i knew what the hyprotrochoid pattern from the Magnetic hyperboloid I knew must exist.
The only person on earth who said the magnetic geometry was a reciprocating compounded hyperboloid was MYSELF
nobody else.
Apophasis:'Yes, your same STONE AGE "conventional science" that thinks magnetism is micro unicorns, Errrr'
Don't you think this is jumping the gun a bit too fast,I mean,you should be trying to rule conventional explano's out yourself FOR yourself right?(Nevermind the critics who WILL attack using convention)
Quote from: profitis on February 25, 2015, 01:02:09 AM
you should be trying to rule conventional explano's out yourself FOR yourself right?(Nevermind the critics who WILL attack using convention)
No , I dont, wisdom and comprehension are their own reward.
As for anyones agreement, I dont give a flying hell in Hades.
In fact,
i NEVER want myopic lemmings like yourself, or Tinfoilhat or other such goons AGREE .
and of that, if nothing else........., you damn well better take me at my word.
Apophasis:'CW or CCW depending on the field'
This can also be explained via conventional lenz-induction magneto-hydrodynamic action on the biological saline fluids at moment of crystallization of calcium carbonate shells not so?
Quote from: profitis on February 25, 2015, 01:06:39 AM
Apophasis:'CW or CCW depending on the field'
This can also be explained via conventional lenz-induction magneto-hydrodynamic action on the biological saline fluids at moment of crystallization of calcium carbonate shells not so?
MHD only quantify fields ratings and describe same.
Theyve never EXPLAINED same.
Thanks for confirming youre a bean counter.
Likewise further,
not one explanation of a PARTICLE-FREE FIELD ,.... what it is, why it is, etc. ,..... EXISTS ON THIS EARTH.
Apophasis:'No , I dont, wisdom and comprehension are their own reward.'
This is rather naïve.a cult-priest would say same no?
Apohasis:'MHD only quantify fields ratings and describe same.'
And you forgot steers the crystal growth at moment of enzyme activity not true? North-south/south-north ie,lenz.saltwater coupled with ion-pumping will induce direction under magnetic field yes?
Quote from: profitis on February 25, 2015, 01:12:33 AM
This is rather naïve.a cult-priest would say same no?
As per the realm of wisdom, compared to yourself , Im a god. ;D
...........However I want no followers, NOR your goddamn money, NOR your respect.
There is a divine pleasure from a sublime comprehension you'll never 'feel'. That moves me, not your praise or blame.
Im not selling you anything, and I , ...no offense,... dont give a damn about you or anyone else one way or the other. Only wisdom and comprehension of things LONG SOUGHT for 1000s of years.
That reward is priceless, and it does NOT require YOUR validation, or anyone elses.
Apophasis:'There is a divine pleasure from a sublime comprehension you'll never 'feel'. That moves me, not your praise or blame.'
Hey I'm only playing devils lawyer here,cut me some slack.let's get this straight,so are you doing this for you or for the world,ie. for science or both
Your going to have to show an experiment that rules out a lenz-dominated or pole-orientated movement under magnetic field to reveal this oscillation in its raw state.your bismuth experiment may be able to do this under one condition.that you show that the MAGNET actually cools down to below ambient in that experiment.this will show an inter-action of movement between the magnet and the sphere of sorts,ie an oscillation.put a black sock over the magnet and a black sock over the bismuth and post us the pic of the flir
Profitis is just as stupid as I am, He just keeps on asking questions from the teacher. ZERO, knowledge spews from his reasoning. TA, is just being to0 nice to that guy. In my opinion.
I mean profitis, after 2000 plus posts in the year 2015 you cannot learn how to even quote someone? you just say me: he: That is just not smart man. After 2000 plus posts on the interwebs forums...lol what is your excuse for that?
Joel:'Profitis is just as stupid as I am, He just keeps on asking questions from the teacher'
No no.I'm the teacher now :)
Quote from: joel321 on February 25, 2015, 02:08:20 AM
Profitis is just as stupid
Hes not stupid, a stupid animal is innocent. He drinks from the pool of his own filth and is a lemming in the flow of ignorance, like the sewer waters to the ocean.
he is not innocent.
Hes replaced stupidity with something far worse, reinforced ignorance.
thats common these days. Stupid people are good, they typically want to understand things, and use logic and wisdom as a measure of its validity.
He is none of those, but thats very common.
Joel:'After 2000 plus posts on the interwebs forums...lol what is your excuse for that?'
You know what,that's a damn good question,even I don't have the answer to that but I'l tell you one thing: talking shit the whole day has catalysed great leaps 4wards in my own lab-research..its good for something.
Apophasis:'Stupid people are good, they typically want to understand things, and use logic and wisdom as a measure of its validity.'
Put a sock over the magnet and over the bismuth and send us the flir please
QuoteNo no.I'm the teacher now :)
You cannot even quote sir ;)
Or
Profitis:No no.I'm the teacher now :)
Me: You cannot even quote sir ;)
Why can't you learn how to quote in the year 2015 and after 2400 posts in a forum? lol = That's very smart!
Profitis, this is how you quote.
Quote
Example,
QuoteThis is a quote
lol
Joel:'Why can't you learn how to quote in the year 2015 and after 2400 posts in a forum? lol = That's very smart!'
Who gives a shit
QuoteYou know what,that's a damn good question,even I don't have the answer to that but I'l tell you one thing: talking shit the whole day has catalysed great leaps 4wards in my own lab-research..its good for something.
Oh yeah, lets see the proofitis? Tell me how your lab looks like? Upload a picture on imgur too or here if you like. :)
BTW, quoting is a way to make it clear so others can understand clearly. Does not matter if you don't like it, it's just a way of life and after 2400 plus posts you not learning that sir, you are not that smart at all.
QuoteWho gives a shit
You don't. 8)
Joel:'BTW, quoting is a way to make it clear so others can understand clearly. Does not matter if you don't like it, it's just a way of life and after 2400 plus posts you not learning that sir, you are not that smart at all.'
Its what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here today
profitis: Its what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here today
QuoteIts what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here today
QuoteIts what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here today
Its what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here today
Its what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here todayQuoteIts what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here today
profitis:
Its what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here todayIts what I say that's important
,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that
a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass
and cause a real upheaval here todayIf you cannot understand SIMPLE forum ETIQUETTE, how can you understand anything else? lol Lets see your " lab" you speak of? Is it inside a mental hospital lab? ;D
Joel'If i cannot understand SIMPLE forum ETIQUETTE, how can i understand anything else? lol Lets see my idiotic grin'
Go fuck yourself.I demand a F.L.I.R pic of your ball and magnet UNDER a pair black socks
profitis: Go fuck yourself.
me: I cant. 8)
Joel,
Profitis''s way is much easier to understand as your last post demonstrates!
John.
QuoteProfitis''s way is much easier to understand as your last post demonstrates!
Yeah cuz he does not explain shit. Just all one liners..lol....which if you get 30 lines at the same time your brain (his brain) will break. lol
Easy = stupid.
Joel:'me: I can't fuck myself 8'
Well learn to fuckhead.
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minnie, did you just witness how he just logged in and said a one liner and then left. :o
This is what he said:
"Well learn to fuckhead"
Now that is no way to talk intelligence is it? minnie?
Do you condone profitis being that stupid after him having more post than you in a forum where you come to learn and him/it not EVEN understanding the etiquette of forums after2400 posts? = he will kill you really fast. It is the year 2015 (imagine in the year 3000 and he not yet learning the etiquette of forums lol)....after 2400 posts in a forum and not know how to quote rationally, that person is mentally unstable. Which is nothing bad at all, just that such person needs special needs. Agree? Lets pitch in to buy him a lollipop.?
Did anyone see me leave? Nope.
Did anyone see me leave? Nope.
Why can't I see you ask being logged in? You know, by that dot next to your named being filled with color.
profitis
Joel
profitis
Joel
profitis
Joel
profitis
Joel
How about the TWO of you shut the godddamn hell up and stop acting like children.
TA, I'm just amazed that after 2400 posts he does not know forum etiquette and by his words he does not give a shit regarding forum etiquette... well he left me hanging here...just thought I needed to mention that obvious fact lol.
Now back on learning about vortexes and stuff ;D
TA, did you see how minnie tried to protect profitis?
Since learning from profitis is much easier than learning from someone else= lol...
Man how can you deal with these much stupidity? lol
minnie said that it is hard to understand this:
Quote from: joel321 on February 25, 2015, 02:57:40 AM
profitis: Its what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here today
Its what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here today
Its what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here today
profitis: Its what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here today
Its what I say that's important,not what I quote and right now I'm saying that a single FLIR photograph from mr apophasis can save his ass and cause a real upheaval here today
If you cannot understand SIMPLE forum ETIQUETTE, how can you understand anything else? lol Lets see your " lab" you speak of? Is it inside a mental hospital lab? ;D
Which There are more variables left to explain...which = minnie wants to take the lunatics way. WHich watch and see how minnie cannot explain himself tomorrow lol...nor profitis,
Don't get confused by one liners...those that cannot write a whole paragraph are the ones that are confused regarding those that can write a whole book. IMO.
Watch out TA, profitis has a lab. lol...
That tells me to go fuck myself....lol...
Joel:'Don't get confused by one liners...those that act like women eg.myself'
We want one experiment that rules out lenz convention and promotes your oscillation theory.we want the bismuth ball experiment back right here right now.
Quotethose that act like women
Now this guy is being sexist. Calling me a woman as a last result!
Sir sorry to tell you, you need to step down or we will make you. You are just confusing people that need to flourish.
IF you are so smart, prove it?
You said you have a lab?
Lets see a picture of your lab!
You write like a 5th grader madam. and i flunked 3rd grade English.
Look, now he is saying "we" as trying to influence others lol...sir, By "we" you mean "you" ONLY lol, what do you have to teach to anyone?
Minnie said you are easy to learn from! How are you teaching minnie so much TRUTH Master?! lol
Joel:'Now this guy is being sexist'
Oh so you are a biatch then lol! Explains a lot fuckface.we're waiting
@Apophasis,tin aftos o joel? ene malakias aftis
joel,
understanding isn't teaching as far as I'm concerned. Just to stick in a quote without
a heading is misleading, who, when and where?
John.
QuoteOh so you are a biatch then lol! Explains a lot fuckface.we're waiting
Dude, honestly you are very stupid in my eyes and feel pity for you.
Now, you may be a millionaire or have 0-60 fast cars that go 0-60 under 3 seconds but, you are not that smart man.
One liners are just stupid.
Where do you even work?
Do you have a job sir?
I 100% don't see you as a smart person SORRY! I see you as a BURDEN! To humanity to be honest!
I think someone needs to give you a wake up call that you are old news!
2427 posts and cannot properly quote someone, man, HOW MUCH CAN YOU NOT EVOLVE? Which you said, you don't give a shit!
I'm wondering why do you believe that you are smart at all?
One liners get old sir....can you write a whole paragraph by yourself?
Go ahead and do it sir? :P
Quoteunderstanding isn't teaching as far as I'm concerned. Just to stick in a quote without
a heading is misleading, who, when and where?
What has he tought you that you use in everyday life? Lol
Let me hear it!
Joel:'Dude, honestly you are very stupid in my eyes and feel pity for you.'
What's your point man.you've been irritating everyone here today on both sides of the debate.what are you,some fuck-the-thread-up-agent?if you have questions ask them without screwing it up for every1 else
QuoteWhat's your point man.you've been irritating everyone here today on both sides of the debate.what are you,some fuck-the-thread-up-agent?if you have questions ask them without screwing it up for every1 else
My point is that now I'm focusing on you today. And me focusing on you made me realized that you cannot even quote a person after 2400 = two thousand 400 posts in a forum NOR you bother to use a space after a period or a comma. = you are NOT smart! = laziness!
SOO! i'm raining on your ignorance today sir even if you don't like it. I'm scrowing it up for you sir because you are not that smart!
WATCH!
You said you have a lab? right? AND! Since you have a lab, you know more than the rest! EVEN minnie has learned from you (a farmer).
Now, watch people, tell me what do you study in your lab?
Go ahead and explain profitis!
What do you learn in your lab?
Joel:'EVEN minnie has learned from you (a farmer).'
Your one strange motherfucker mr joel,you crash this thread with ten thousand questions which were patiently answered then you under-estimate other user's intelligence? Minnie is not the only user who thinks for himself here.I've got tons of supporters here including the webmasters,be careful you don't get booted brother.my lab is of zero importance right now.in this thread the subject is magnetic oscillations and proof there-of.shall we stick to that subject mr joel? Back ontrack ok? Do you have any questions pertaining to this thread subject and I'l see if I can answer them
QuoteMinnie is not the only user who thinks for himself here.I've got tons of supporters here including the webmasters
You read that Minnie?
Look at this cocky guy! He feels like he is in some kind of higher place than Minnie and the rest, He even goes to the "webmasters"....BUT, to me, HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO QUOTE AFTER TWO THOUSAND FOUR HUNDREND POSTS! lol = stupidity!
Look at him = "I've got tons of supporters here including the webmasters"
By tons you mean how many people sir/profitis? Name the tons of names? Lest hear those "tons" of names! lol
Joel:'By tons you mean how many people sir?'
Like my fist,idiot
Look people!
QuoteLike my fist,idiot
This guy has "tons" of supporters! And those "tons" have not told this stupid ass how to quote people when respoding to in a forum...lol :o ;D..TONS! of followers. TONS!!! lol
This just showed his true colors.
This guy is living in a virtual reality! In the TONS! LOL
Joel:'This guy is amazing realy! In the TONS! LOL
Mmmmmmuuuahh.stupid fuck
Quotestupid fuck
I'm wondering if Minnie only learned how to be an a-hole from this guy that has "tons" of followers.
The only thing this guy has done is insult me over and over again! Yeah, one intelligent person! lol
He just called me stupid fuck and logged out! lol But at least i know how to Quote
Quote
lol
joelene:'The only thing this guy has done is insult me over and over again! '
And again dickhead
joel,
I'll leave you to your gibberish.
I'm just fascinated with this topic, wouldn't it be amazing to prove all these particle
and quantum scientists wrong.
I'm just going to bide my time and see what happens. To get a good result we need
to see an effect with no added energy input. I even found a reference to single molecule
magnets.
John.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 25, 2015, 12:52:42 AM
Timm :
1. never mentions a hypotrochoid, I do
2. Hes not the only person with his Ferrocell invention
3. A picture of light under divergence from magnetism is NOT HIS "description" or ANYONES "description"
NEXT
The only way I knew about his invention, was researching what i knew what the hyprotrochoid pattern from the Magnetic hyperboloid I knew must exist.
The only person on earth who said the magnetic geometry was a reciprocating compounded hyperboloid was MYSELF
nobody else.
According to your descriptions, there should be observed vortex-like movement in those objects,
but they are still, not moving at all.
Quote from: Qwert on February 25, 2015, 11:11:55 AM
but they are still, not moving at all.
It takes a GENUINE IDIOT without equal to think or presume a
FIELD of DIVERGENT FORCE, which both DENOTES and CONNOTES MOTION.....
......is "not moving at all" ;D
Find your teacher(S), and slap the ever-loving shit out of them for producing this mental defect on your behalf
I run a home experiment with pure silver 99.99% purity in a colloidal form in pure water (0ppm). The goal was to see the movement of silver particle in water under the influence of a magnetic field. Even if it does not bring clear evidence for or against the vortex motion, I thought I have to post it, as I said in a previous message.
Because I did not find a pure distilled water I used what I found, namely a distilled water with 6ppm impurities. For this I thought to use the light from a 5W headlamp or a green 5mW laser.
For this home experiment I used the following setup:
- ~700ml distilled water with 6ppm
- 2 rods of silver 99.99% purity (4N)
- a charger with output of 12v/300mA
- a ferrite magnet of 8x1cm
- a green laser pointer of 5mW
- a headlamp of 5W
Obtained colloidal solution had a concentration of 31ppm, thereby there are 25ppm of silver particles in water, or a concentration of about 25 mg/l. The size of silver particles are in the 0.01 to 0.001 um range.
The magnet was placed under the glass jar, the colloidal solution was stirred in horizontal plane avoiding any rotational stirring, and it was left for 15 minutes so the colloidal silver solution have time to calm and stop any previous movement.
Observations and Interpretation:
- with headlamp did not see any kind of movement, because the light was too diffuse.
- with the laser beam I can see with naked eyes a specific movement, but can't be seen on camera. I'll try again after I'll receive an 100mW green laser.
- the movement seen with the green laser was as some flickers in the water due to reflection from tiny silver particles, and it was fast and from left to right as the beam approach the glass wall (or above the circular arm of the magnet) and slowing as the laser beam goes to the center of the magnet.
- these are personal observations and should be treated as such
Great work @sadang.is that magnet strong enough? You must use a very strong magnet eg neos.can you make out if thers any orderly movements going on in ther.make sure that the jar is sealed with lid on to avoid cooling evaporation
Quoteis that magnet strong enough? You must use a very strong magnet eg neos.
Unfortunately that magnet is not so strong, it has about 300Gauss, and a neodymium magnet at this size is too expensive for my pocket. However the moving flickering I've seen with my eyes I interpret as circular movement of the silver particles. It is just a subjective interpretation and not yet provable. Maybe with a more powerful laser or magnet the movement would be more evident. I'll see when will arrive the 100mW green laser head.
Try l.e.d torchlight in the dark too sadang
Quote from: profitis on February 25, 2015, 03:55:47 PM
Try l.e.d torchlight in the dark too sadang
I used a led matrix headlamp of 5W with focus lens, but the scattering factor is too great, the light is too diffuse and I can't observe any movement of the silver particles. They are too tiny to be seen with naked eyes, but a coherent light beam with a specific wavelength between 400 to 600nm make them more easy observable by their flickering.
Do you have any nitric acid or saltpeter available sadang,I'l tell you how to make a much more densely populated colloid if necessary.you can even try anodizing silver in white vinegar using silver anode and carbon cathode.siver goes into solution as silver acetate.then add caustic soda,then add sugar or drop natural fruitjuice and heatup
Quote from: joel321 on February 25, 2015, 02:08:20 AM
Profitis is just as stupid as I am
...and you're both half as smart as you think you are.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 25, 2015, 12:38:08 PM
It takes a GENUINE IDIOT without equal to think or presume a FIELD of DIVERGENT FORCE, which both DENOTES and CONNOTES MOTION.....
......is "not moving at all" ;D
Find your teacher(S), and slap the ever-loving shit out of them for producing this mental defect on your behalf
TA, I have an advise for you: Find your teacher(S), and slap the ever-loving shit out of them for producing this mental defect on your behalf
I repeat: your tests imply rotating movement, and yours got not any.
TA, what is happening here. It's still my pen laser with one of my hairs taped to the side. Every time I push the on button on the laser pen, the light moves in the hair.
I made some .gifs that are like 5 megabytes each so allow each to download first to watch.
I don't understand why the laser light moved on the hair.
Here are the links to the .GIFs
http://i.imgur.com/OlFpmXq.gif
http://i.imgur.com/6HjJOTk.gif
Interesting, Joel. Can you repeat the experiment with pubic hair?
There should be a shift in color temp if TA is correct.
QuoteInteresting, Joel. Can you repeat the experiment with pubic hair?
LoL has got to be a joke right?
I also get this phenomena where the light focuses in two points where I don't even move the hair at all. Eventually the laser light just moves to the tip of the hair.
Recorder with my camera and I made a .gif and uploaded to imgur.
http://i.imgur.com/kE3jqt9.gif
orbut?
@profitis
Thanks for advice profitis. My main goal was to use as small and pure silver particles as it can be get in a home task. Their very small size combined with their diamagnetic propriety and manifesting free in suspension in a water solution, facilitate the observation of their movement under the influence of a magnetic field.
Chemical reactions will lead to particles with size far beyond the 1um which will not float too much time in water solution. And of course will give compounds of silver and not pure silver. The diamagnetic effect will be drastically diminished and the entire experiment will be compromised. At least this is my understanding of the phenomena.
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@joel321
The small movement of the beam laser appear due to the bad alignment of the internal crystals after the laser head get hot. The hotter the laser head the great the misalignment. the greater the movement of the laser beam. That's an universal issue for cheap DPSS lasers. So the shift effect is generated by the laser itself. More info here:
- http://laserpointerforums.com/f45/some-faqs-about-green-dpss-lasers-30682.html
Let's not bother Ken with questions whose answer can be found easy at a search on google.
Quote from: joel321 on February 26, 2015, 12:50:49 AM
orbut?
I'm not joking at all. The fibonacci golden ration spiral has it's centre or point of origin at the center of the mass of a body.
Is the second picture of hair of the pubic area?
Sarkeizen:'and you're both half as smart as you think you are'
I discovered a new class of galvanic cell,what did he do besides irritate everyone? What did you do besides pepper the website with smileys?
QuoteIs the second picture of hair of the pubic area?
It is the same hair..the light shine in the hair as two points, eventually I can see how the light "particles" move to the tip of the hair really slow.
Same hair same everything.
I don't know why would a pubic hair have much of importance to this lol?
It starts as two points and little by little you can see the light tail go to the tip of the hair where eventually it merges as if it gets sucked....I CAN SEE THE LIGHT TAIL MOVE TO THE TIP.
Sadang:'Chemical reactions will lead to particles with size far beyond the 1um which will not float too much time in'
Nooo my friend if you use a few grains gellatine or pectin in the solution while chemical reduction takes place you get colloids of such small particle size that you cannot see them(yellow color with intense green fluorescence).the trick is to mess around with the reaction until you get both visible and invisible variencies.I doubt the chemicals side-products caused a problem in my observations as the solutions were dramaticly diluted afterward.I did see distinct rivers of continuous movement and the laser definitely had nothing to do with it.the laser was pointed at random times.anyway this experiment is not conducive to proving a oscillating magnetic field which is what we want to see.I say the bismuth ball and magnet flir must be done to detect a temp drop in the magnet and temp raise in the sphere,this will definitely connect the magnet to the sphere in a causative force of some sort,a leap 4ward for apophasis but he don't seem too interested in showing us more of this crucial demo
orbut, this is what happens that is hard to see in the pictures. (which you can replicate with a hair and a laser).
When I press the button to turn on the laser, it gives two points of light on the hair.
The very tip is dim and the other point is BRIGHT. After a while the bright side "crawls" to the tip to make it bright. So:
Press the on button = two light points.
The tip point of the hair is dim.
The lower side of the hair is brighter.
Still two points of bright light...
Then after the laser being on for 10 seconds or so, the dim point sucks in the bright point. You can see how the tail of the light starts to grow. And then all of a sudden the two lights become one...as if the tip sucked in the other light.
You can replicate this rabbit, cow, horse, goat, female pubic hairs! lol...i'm not Bsing.
Quote from: orbut 3000 on February 25, 2015, 11:28:08 PM
Interesting, Joel. Can you repeat the experiment with pubic hair?
There should be a shift in color temp if TA is correct.
I must admit that is damn funny
no doubt. ;D
A 20 Megabyte .gif give it time to download before it starts to loop.
http://i.imgur.com/phk99uz.gifv
And it stills does not describe what i see.
In short, I press the on button to the laser and i see two bright lights in the hair. The tip light is dim and the bottom part is very bright....but then the bright light gets sucked in by the dim light in a laser reflected by my human hair..
This is a 20MB .gif so give it time to download if you have sucky internet speeds. it will eventually download. but this is crazy or maybe there are vortex shit going on?
Anyone else can replicate what I see and record it?
@sadang I just had an idea right now.if we shove a chunk highly magneto-caloric substance eg gadolinium infront avery powerful magnet and take flir shots of that,we may or may not see plain evidence of apophasis-oscillation.magnetocaloric temperature differentials indeed form via oscillation correct? Ferric ammonium sulphate and chromium potassium sulfate(chrome alum) have been used inplace expensive gadolinium in fridges
@TheoriaApophasis
Thanks! Will come soon with other kind of home experiments.
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@profitis
Sorry, but I'm not a chemist and you somehow force me to think in your way. It is not a bad thing but I'm not directly interested in i. While you think the magnetism in a chemical vision I see it in a physical one.
I see also rivers of silver nano-particles but only when the electrolysis process takes place. There are rivers of yellow color floating and slowly going down through water. But I avoided to make any analysis in this initial stage, due to the presence of electrical current and electrical field.
More than that I don't have a FLIR camera I don't intend to buy one too soon. It is not in my attention, because I don't want to prove any temperature difference in my magnetic experiments. I'm just trying to make the magnetic vortex visible for naked eyes. For me is not a matter of its existence, it is a matter of making it visible for everyone eyes. An image talks more than 1000 words. And a 3D vision close any mouth.
Anyway, I would like to know why you consider the magnet has to lower its temperature and the bismuth has to increase it in their interactions? This subject remember me about another unconventional scientist of 30' who proved the existence of ether by a difference of temperature. Interesting but not enough to catch and divert my time and attention!
Lest see what mr tons of followers has to say. Porfitis, why does a light follow a light?
Point blank! profitis, how do you explain that phenomena?
Maybe light is spinning? and light is cannibalistic to keep on being straight?
Maybe the strongest light ray in the "universe" is not really a strong laser? lol....well=see you later in heaven dodo bird. = you go to heaven first.
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Quote from: sadang on February 26, 2015, 04:22:32 AM
@TheoriaApophasis
I'm just trying to make the magnetic vortex visible for naked eyes.
A key "secret" is suspension VISCOSITY
fast enough to let it flow in the vortex, but SLOW enough that it doesnt all just "ZIP" here and there
USE:
1. PURE rubbing alcohol (90%, NOT 70%!!!)
2. Mineral oil (even baby oil is fine, same stuff).
TA, why does it takes four fingers to make a thumb?
Quote from: joel321 on February 26, 2015, 05:20:08 AM
TA, why does it takes four fingers to make a thumb?
ive got a finger for you and some others if you want to see it.
Sadang:'Anyway, I would like to know why you consider the magnet has to lower its temperature and the bismuth has to increase it in their interactions?'
Because of the law of conservation of energy.every heat-sink requires a heat-rise somewhere else in the system.let us assume mr apophasis is correct in his infrared photograph and heat is exit-ing the ball,it must also necessitates a removal of heat in the magnet if the magnet is doing work on the ball as he claims.the environment will get heat out the ball and donate heat into the magnet.this is one 2nd law violation hypothesis that could at same time prove mr apohasis correct if tworks.it will mean something is oscillating indeed,something inside the magnet.a chunk gadolinium will do inplace bismuth for this necessary photograph.will apophasis co-operate? If not,why not I say.
Dingbatjoel:'Porfitis, why does a light follow a light?'
Maybe you have hairs on your hairs.your ball-hairs are moving not the light
Quote from: profitis on February 26, 2015, 06:33:05 AM
.let us assume mr apophasis is correct in his infrared photograph and heat is exit-ing the ball,it must also necessitates a removal of heat in the magnet
lets ASSUME (rather know) that you miss the entire point.
1. there is NO DIRECT LINK between the object and the magnet.
FIELDS ARE PARTICLE FREE. 2. Denotative field force DIVERGENCE against natures HIGHEST diagmagnetic element (lowest magnetic permeability) causes atomic excitation.
By your insane logic, the sun gets COOLER resultant to foreign bodies accelerating towards same
Youre assuming some form of
cooling / heating CATHODE / ANODE nonsense in your mental fart.
Quoteive got a finger for you and some others if you want to see it.
LOL...fair enough...and funny to be honest. BUT, but what I was kind of insinuating is that the thumb being the strongest finger of the hand nd the pinky the weakest hence you have a half circle of force. The opposite is the other half of force which you probably figured out = the opposite hand.
The middle finger has not a lot of vortex force lol.....the thumb does so i would rather you give me two thumbs up instead of two middle fingers up...lol.
Apohasis:'By your insane logic, the sun gets COOLER resultant to foreign bodies accelerating towards same'
For this insult you have enraged me.you are arguing with the premier thermodynamicist of this website.I am now going to proceed to attack your hocus-pocus head-on. It is YOUR hypothesis that the magnet does WORK on the BALL not so.this NECESSITATES a reduction in the temperature of the MAGNET not so
We hereby demand apohasis re-do his proposed bismuth experiment to prove that he is not a bullshitter.
@TheoriaAphophasis
Great books for everyone with an open mind and with desire for comparative studies. On the web are still other books that criticize the Einstein relativity and the manner in which this theory was imposed to large masses by different interests to shape a reality in which more than 90% have to work for the others less than 10%. Maybe the same percent as the empty volume of the H atom!
I agree with your suggestions, I know you are right and you already made many ferrofluid experiences and your own ferrofluid solutions.
But taking into account the diamagnetic propriety of silver (dielectric countervoidance) I thought the best way to compensate the gravitational effect was by using silver particles with a small size (under 1 micron using this method). This small size will make them float for a long time in water and very slowly going down to the bottom of the jar. This small size of silver particle combined with the repulsion effect of their interaction with the magnetic field of the magnet, will extend the floating time. And the helical path followed by them in their long way to the bottom of the jar will make visible and very evident the intrinsic nature of the magnetic field of the magnet. That was also the reason I placed the magnet under jar and not above it. The main idea is the smaller the particles the more easy can them be involved in a dynamical path as the result of interaction with magnetic field. The main issue remain to make them observable with the naked eyes. And here a coherent light can help to visualize them. At least this is my view of the entire phenomena.
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@profitis
Quote...every heat-sink requires a heat-rise somewhere else in the system...
The 2nd law of thermodynamic tell us about an permanent equilibrium. But I can not stop to notice this law is available only in a closed and isolate system. These systems exists only in labs or in the theoretical analysis. In nature there is no one single closed system besides the ones arbitrary chosen, defined or shaped by human minds. And these systems are seen, defined or shaped as isolate and closed systems in the reasoning paradigm of an empty space, which is a wrong premise according to my point of view.
In the meantime I see Ken already answered to you with some hints to think about.
If you say are an expert in thermodynamics, make an imaginative exercise to see its laws as they appear as seen from counterspace, or at least try their applicability in the same reasoning paradigm of an empty space, but manifesting in an open system. D you think they are still available in both cases? However, you don't need to answer me, these observations are mostly rhetorical.
Let's wait until the new laser will arrive and will see after!
There's nothing to preclude a 2nd law violation in an open system @sadang.infact a closed system is only possible at 0 degree kelvin so itsa just for arguments sakes to show the kids.mr apohasis claims the ball it heatup above ambient spontaneous thus a 2nd law violation.more important than that,IF he can show the magnet cooling down at same time as ball heatup then he validate his oscillatio-theoretic.he don't wana do this for unknown reason
Unfortunately not one of apophasis experiments can support his theoretics oscillatory.every single one of his experiments can be laid down to conventional explano. silver particle or other particle experiment does not rule out a lenz-steering as particles approach or depart magneto-field.biological experiments do not rule out lenz mhd at moment of crystallization
You are right. I can't say something against the Lenz law itself, it is a very evident law in the actual way of thinking, but I can't stop to observe this law use the same totally unknown magnetism and the same totally unknown electric current. Developing further an entire system appealing at an equation with two unknown terms, is not a sign of great wisdom for me. It is more a sign of great greed, that shaped a similar reality.
I knew from the beginning that I'll arrive at this point, but I assumed it. I already said in a previous message that all imaginable experiments related to magnetism will fall under Lenz, Lorenz, Faraday or other already well established laws. Only that these laws are today understood and used in an empty space shaped way of thinking, even if some of them were created having as basis the existence of ether, and the observable phenomena being merely manifestations of the ether. More than that, they are just descriptions of phenomena, not explanations. Just a way to shape the existence, a wrong one!
So back to experiments!
Quote from: profitis on February 26, 2015, 07:29:54 AM
.I am now going to proceed to attack your hocus-pocus head-on.
good luck with that, let me know how it turns out, son.
Or maybe you could have another CRAYON FIGHT with your buddy, Joel, or whatever the hell his name is.
Quote from: profitis on February 26, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
Unfortunately not one of apophasis experiments can support his theoretics oscillatory.every single one of his experiments can be laid down to conventional explano. silver particle or other particle experiment does not rule out a lenz-steering as particles approach or depart magneto-field.biological experiments do not rule out lenz mhd at moment of crystallization
"Lenz law" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Youre a MYOPIC knuckle dragging sub-human savage, mentally.
Its just electromagnetic retardation, relational to magnetic permeability.
ALL SUCH "laws" are a pile of accepted WH0RE-DOM created by dumb humans.
WHILE the empirical results are easily quantified and replicated
their EXPLANATION is unknown by you and the rest of humanity crotch crickets running around in the DARK of ignorances.
Quote from: sadang on February 26, 2015, 08:16:26 AM
The 2nd law of thermodynamic tell us about an permanent equilibrium. But I can not stop to notice this law is available only in a closed and isolate system.
all FIELDS are "systems", but reciprocity does NOT have to exist between same. Where A affects B and B affects resultantly A
mutual causation has a WHOLE diff "mechanics" of its own, since its particle free influence. There is no PUSH and PUSH-BACK quanta as Relativity and empirical science believes (warped space my ass).
This is also seen in the very simplex of examples, as per magnetic polarity phase shift, where the N 'pole' is rarefied, and the S 'pole' is compressed.
This is where 10,000 observable and empirical retardation and asymmetries exist
THIS IS WHERE the SHIT SCIENCE of Relativity got its ORIGINS and most of the insane basis of its support, ;D from supposed (pure bullshit) "time dilation" etc etc.
Its only retarded rates of induction, the same reason there is a speed variable in GPS tracking satellites etc. etc etc.
Apophasis:'good luck with that, let me know how it turns out, son.'
Ti kanis vre?.thelis mia experimento vre apohasis.one bismuth shot that's all man.
Apophasis:'ALL SUCH "laws" are a pile of accepted WH0RE-DOM created by dumb humans.'
Ella vre poosti do you think people are going to be convinced like this? You must show a cut line,apophasis-oscillation here and convention there.apophasis HERE,convention THERE,,in demonstration.you must leave no space for lines to cross
Quote from: profitis on February 26, 2015, 01:49:49 PM
do you think people are going to be convinced like this?
keep suffering that delusion that im trying to CONVINCE you or the other vermin of anything.
play that fiddle tune as you please
I made another .gif showing this laser just ignoring the hair. It's about 20megabytes in size so allow it to download first.
http://i.imgur.com/vcLK8Nj.gifv
I also made a close up video with my hand help camera and a weak lens. I cannot find my powerful lenses to look closer. I also played around with the video colors, sharp settings, hue etc...this is what looked to me interesting.
http://youtu.be/OT1XT_Zkz8s
Just sharing that's all.
I find it interesting how the laser light moves in the hair as if it is thinking or doing something. Then the light just moves to the tip of the hair all of a sudden.
I hope I find my other powerful lenses to look deeper... >:(
You should be able to understand that TA. What the hell is happening inside the hair?
And why all of a sudden the laser light moves to the tip of the hair?
it goes from pic one to pic two.
If that is your hair Joel, it appears that you have a calcium deficiency. You should be taking vitamins.
Bill
PS Also, your clock is off a bit.
Apophasis:'keep suffering that delusion that im trying to CONVINCE you or the other vermin of anything.'
If you can't convince me you sure as hell won't convince anybody except yourself,nice entertainment for you I gues..we demand an infrared photo of that magnet shoved infront a)gadolinium or b)bismuth or c)chrome alum crystals
QuoteIf that is your hair Joel, it appears that you have a calcium deficiency. You should be taking vitamins.
I manipulated the video colors a bit to try to understand what's going on in the visible laser light - "light shift"....
The actual video shows my hair dark brown. 0.o. How did you concluded that I need calcium by just colors? Just curious, nothing negative towards you sir.
You can test this out on your own hair....I guess, by your logic, you will find out if you have enough calcium or not.
You can see what is happening here....
http://i.imgur.com/vcLK8Nj.gifv
...my hair is dark not transparent. Actually, not trying to disrespect, there is a lot going on in that video I posted that I have a feeling that 99% of the people don't know exactly what is going on there. I'm already use to that.
QuotePS Also, your clock is off a bit.
How so? I put the clock there for a reason...through out the video the clock never skips. The video skips for who knows why I never touch it after hitting record button. which took me .5 of a second.
No big deal to me sir. Been there done that.
When I see a vortex in my bathtub while water is draining down, the circular movement is clearly visible and the downward pull is clear, yet its power is tiny comparing the pull of even weakest magnet. So, I suggest to change the title of this thread. What about this?
Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex AND OTHER FAIRY TALES, free book and videos
I can only imagine how happy TA and other "proponents" will be when sadang announce that he found very minute movement thanks to very powerful test equipment. ;)
Quote from: Qwert on February 27, 2015, 07:59:49 AM
I can only imagine how happy TA and other "proponents" will be when sadang announce that he found very minute movement thanks to very powerful test equipment.
Smaller the effect size -> higher likelihood of error.
Maybe someone can remind me exactly how many proposed OU devices have a large effect size? :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on February 27, 2015, 08:31:21 AM
Smaller the effect size -> higher likelihood of error.
Maybe someone can remind me exactly how many proposed OU devices have a large effect size? :)
There is ONE: this forum (sic).
Sarkeizen:'Maybe someone can remind me exactly how many proposed OU devices have a large effect size? :)'
Go visit pomodoro's lab
Qwert:'I can only imagine how happy TA and other "proponents" will be when sadang announce that he found very minute movement thanks to very powerful test equipment. ;'
Mr apophasis refuses to break away from conventional physics demonstrations.itsbecoming a boring thread
Quote from: profitis on February 27, 2015, 12:16:12 PM
Mr apophasis refuses to break away from conventional physics
insane BS, ONLY by getting AWAY from (BS) "conventional physics" was able to discover this stuff.
Well Apophasis,
I haven't got too much longer before I'm the wrong side of the grass.
I'm keen to see some real progress.
How much of current thinking is nonsense? Do sub-atomic particles exist? Chemistry
must give us some clues as to the make-up of atoms and their interactions.
Try turning the clock back and tell me what should have happened, let's just imagine
that Mr. Einstein never existed and let's say we proceed from Poincare.
Did Max Planck and Einstein have anything to do with the development of lasers?
It's all quite difficult for me together to grips with and I'm a quite confused elderly
peasant,
John.
Quote from: minnie on February 27, 2015, 05:42:18 PM
How much of current thinking is nonsense?
almost ALL of it.
You should answer that question yourself.
name ANY POINT IN HISTORY in the past 2000 years where the goddamn "intelligencia" were not EXTREMELY CERTAIN what they knew , had written, and had established was the "ABSOLUTE TRUTH"
I think you can answer that question,........ cant you?
LESS THAN 100 years from now,
GR and QM, and warped space bullshit will be seen the same way we look at 1800s early thought on countless things.
Apophasis:'insane BS, ONLY by getting AWAY from (BS) "conventional physics" was able to discover this stuff.'
What stuff,the lenz law?you haven't shown us any stuff
TA, those people that do science must be very happy. I just like to learn with out getting paid. The work that I do is only to make dollars. The passion that I do, when I'm not working, is to understand life. And every time I try to tell people "look at the amazement of life" all I get is blank stares. I'm not even kidding and tests can be done by psychologists to show the results. But that WILL NEVER STOP ME FROM LEARNING TRUTH.
Now I'm not trying to attack you in any way because the people that I see that are attacking you are plain stupid. And I don't even consider myself that smart.
There is A LOT of phenomena YET to be discovered. If life is a vortex, the smart people are in the middle where the outside only live life as the outside of a coil...LOL, do you get that reference?
I'm pretty sure you need to learn more things and have the passion for it....and these people are attacking you that their minds are way outside the edge of the vortex.
Vortex can be chopped up to layers. Where the mind vortex in the middle will live longer than the lagging brain trying to catch up....lol.
Nicola tesla was really really close to the vortex of truth. But then there is the vortex of GREED. Hmmmm which to choose?
1- greed?
2- truth?
Is there even a middle ground between the both? Yes!
I'm certain that the people that go against you are only doing so due to their own personal life struggles. Since STUPID people only give advise to others to try to give advise for themselves. Those that actually want to learn and understand true life, are less than 10%, actually just want to learn and not give any advise = (ask questions 24/7) BUT watch them complain when their AC power gets turned off. I'm saying you have something teach but the ULTIMATE off 99% mind is "how will that make me money?" which gets tiring after a while and is like a nagging girl that you don't want to have with anymore. IMO.
The ONLY smart people in the world right now is GREED. And the stupidest one is the one that rejects to understand how greed works. Now think about that mind food for a while....which what really means is that 99.9% of the common people are stupid. So you have had years to learn own your own amazing stuff and then you you try to tell others you have the burden to explain your findings explaining them like talking to a 5 year old.
I see this all of the time which is 100% facts. The only place where you can mingle with others and enjoy learning is when you find those rare open minded smart individuals, which are less than 10%.
I personally believe that your mind is growing. But you have all of these people attacking you. WHEN LEARNING IS FOR ALL.
Just something that was in my mind while reading the last comments.
Little by little you can figure out the forum people.
Minnie wants to learn.
Pirate88179 wants to learn too.
Sadang wants to learn.
Joel321 wants to learn.
orbut 3000 wants to learn (I think lol).
TheoriaApophasis wants to learn further.
Those that have figured out life are:
Qwert.
Profitis.
Sarkeizen.
MileHigh.
Hmmm who else lol
Having said that TA, what is your opinion that is going on here?
http://youtu.be/0dzJZZDwhz8
I want your own personal opinion cuz I believe you are the best qualified person in here to even explain it. If you can't that's cool. But the evidence is there. Take it easy man and lets keep on learning.
Fucked scientists are getting payed to learn and they complain about shyt! If I could get paid to figured out stuff, I would live more happy than dealing with dumb ass people lol. True facts!
Pirate88179 what is happening in this video regarding your opinion?
http://youtu.be/0dzJZZDwhz8
There is millions of information in the video. One of them is that after I cut the hair at the bottom, the top hair stopped shinning even though the top hair is 100% in the path of the laser light. Amazing stuff.
Interesting experiment, Joel. It would be interesting to see if red and blue lasers yield the same result. Also if you have another hair, try to put it in the freezer over night and do a control experiment with the frozen hair. The result might surprise you.
QuoteInteresting experiment, Joel.
The thing about it is just that I decided to look deeper. I was not experimenting anything, I just decided to look closer what is going on there.
It started from the "double slit experiment", then "no-slits-but-something-in-between-the-light experiment"....I was just looking deeper at the "something in the light that creates "ripples" of light too. Now I'm seeying laser light "waves" move where they shine upon a hair.
So I was not doing any research at all, I just decided to look deeper which is no big deal for me if I can do that with the tools that I have.
QuoteIt would be interesting to see if red and blue lasers
I'm sure I can buy them for $10 USD but give me links. I don't mind buying.
QuoteAlso if you have another hair
I only have 10 hairs to sacrifice...lol
Quotetry to put it in the freezer over night and do a control experiment with the frozen hair.
No problem I'll do that and see what happens tomorrow. Does it mater if it's a hair from the mustash, beard, chest, asz, eye brow, butt hole, nut sack? Lol, seriously, I will try that tomorrow BUT I don't understand what that would tell me if I can't understand what an room temperature does to the laser. IN FACT, the laser just ignores the hair which I find it hard to believe. If like I shine a flashlight to an object and then the object stops becoming bright.
But i'll take your challenge. Putting hair in the freezer right now...lets see what happens...lol.
Joel:'these people attacking you. WHEN LEARNING IS FOR ALL'
Apophasis does not claim to be a learner.he claims dictatorial knowledge.he wants to lay down the LAW. thus he must get used to being attacked from all sides until he wins handsdown slamdunk.this is for his own good ya know.this is driving school for him actualy
Orbut:'Interesting experiment, Joel. It would be interesting to see if red and blue lasers yield the same result. Also if you have another hair, try to put it in the freezer over night and do a control experiment with the frozen hair. The result might surprise you.'
I suspect the hairs on the hairs are moving when exposed to laserbeam photons.melanin photo-chemistry
Joel:'Qwert.
Profitis.
Sarkeizen.
MileHigh.'
This bunch of people are very seldom on the same side of argument.now what would bring them together here?
Hi guys and gals (if there are any),
well, TheoriaApophasis's advice to me was figure it out yourself!
I turned up something most amazing when looking at Ferrocell.This
led me to "Transformation Optics", there's a lot of info there which
probably explains a few things.
I'll look at it sometime but at the moment am being kept busy with
births, they're coming thick and fast at the moment.
John.
TA,
how about comparing notes with prof. Yaroslav A.Urzhumov or you
might try Dr. Oreschenkov!
John.
The phenomena described in this thread really happen. Only, they happen in MICRO-SCALE only!. Let's take a tunnel diode: it works in this scale ONLY, in very minute potential; you cannot make a large tunnel diode to work in macro-scale.
Recently, nanotechnology discovers unknown properties of many elements; but they happen ONLY in micro and/or nano-scale only; I have read about ten years ago that it would be good to create the soot (carbon) pattern in macro; still impossible.
The properties discovered as micro-scale, this guy forcefully interprets as if they happen in macro.
Qwert:'The properties discovered as micro-scale, this guy forcefully interprets as if they happen in macro.'
The tunnel diode require energy to vibrate. Mr apophasis declares every magnet is a spontaneous vibratio.I will believe him if he showit a infrared shot of bismut it heatup and magnet it cool down.at same time.he refuse to showit.he will not showit no matter what
Quote from: joel321 on February 28, 2015, 02:45:15 AM
The thing about it is just that I decided to look deeper. I was not experimenting anything, I just decided to look closer what is going on there.
It started from the "double slit experiment", then "no-slits-but-something-in-between-the-light experiment"....I was just looking deeper at the "something in the light that creates "ripples" of light too. Now I'm seeying laser light "waves" move where they shine upon a hair.
So I was not doing any research at all, I just decided to look deeper which is no big deal for me if I can do that with the tools that I have.
I'm sure I can buy them for $10 USD but give me links. I don't mind buying.
I only have 10 hairs to sacrifice...lol
No problem I'll do that and see what happens tomorrow. Does it mater if it's a hair from the mustash, beard, chest, asz, eye brow, butt hole, nut sack? Lol, seriously, I will try that tomorrow BUT I don't understand what that would tell me if I can't understand what an room temperature does to the laser. IN FACT, the laser just ignores the hair which I find it hard to believe. If like I shine a flashlight to an object and then the object stops becoming bright.
But i'll take your challenge. Putting hair in the freezer right now...lets see what happens...lol.
All kidding aside, that is a cool effect that you are seeing with your hair. Is your laser, and the hair, mounted in such a way that neither move at all? Even from small vibrations or slight breeze?
I locked my green laser on a tripod and shined it at the diffuser on my ceiling floro lights in my kitchen such that the reflected beam hits the kitchen wall. The pattern it makes is moving constantly like a laser show. It makes all kinds of non-repeating geometric patterns. I discovered this by accident and just figured it was my hand moving slightly. (Hence the use of the tripod later) I have no idea why this does this.
I don't use those lights as the ballasts have been burned out for over 4 years. They cost too much to run anyway but...with the ceiling lights off and bouncing the green laser off at about 45 degrees...you get moving patterns....very weird.
Bill
First of all, Pirate I I'm just doing this as a hobby because I like to learn. So.
QuoteAll kidding aside, that is a cool effect that you are seeing with your hair. Is your laser, and the hair, mounted in such a way that neither move at all? Even from small vibrations or slight breeze?
I'm doing this inside my bedroom and the air conditioning unit is was not on (no breeze). So yes nothing is moving. I have the laser taped to a base and the camera sitting on legs/tripod.
QuoteI locked my green laser on a tripod and shined it at the diffuser on my ceiling floro lights in my kitchen such that the reflected beam hits the kitchen wall. The pattern it makes is moving constantly like a laser show. It makes all kinds of non-repeating geometric patterns. I discovered this by accident and just figured it was my hand moving slightly. (Hence the use of the tripod later) I have no idea why this does this.
Yeah neither do I but I have a feeling that the phenomena inside is kind of "thinking" sort to speak by the "particles". What I see is vortexes. This is going to sound crazy to you and me but I have kind of believe that the the laser light is telling the inside "particles" where to go. The is a lot of things going on there that we need to do this for years upon years to really gifure out what is going on there but our evidence shows the proof.
QuoteI don't use those lights as the ballasts have been burned out for over 4 years. They cost too much to run anyway but...
we throw away FL ballast away all of the time. I understand how to diagnose them. I have messed with them a lot of times. You are talking about these right? http://www.homedepot.com/b/Lighting-Ceiling-Fans-Indoor-Lighting-Parts-Accessories-Fluorescent-Lighting-Accessories-Replacement-Ballasts/N-5yc1vZc7nx I throw those away all of the time at my work. Not because I want to but because upper management tells me too.
Quote...with the ceiling lights off and bouncing the green laser off at about 45 degrees...you get moving patterns....very weird.
I think I've reached a limit to understanding this phenomena. Conclusion:
1- all phenomena has encoded what to do.
2- light phenomena "shines" the light code to tell the surrounding "particles to help it shine.
3- All lasers have "particles" that will rebel = the "particles" moving with in the laser.
4- Just because it is a laser, does not mean that l"particles" do not escape from the laser.
But by going deeper further, I need to be a scientist specializing in the laser field.
I made some videos so satisfy my CURIOSITY and I see lots of things going on INSIDE the laser.
Like this video where the light just move to the tip of the hair while being in the path of the laser beam.
http://youtu.be/Q1OmfXL9Mno
Or this one where the light in the hair moves back and forth and then moves to the tip. Remembering that the hair is in the path of the laser beam and where the laser beam hits, there are no objects that Make it blink (=people that look from it from the outside). All of this is happening inside the laser beam NOT on where the laser beam hits.
http://youtu.be/9MnPbd5vLbk
I have another video where I see the actual light "particles" bend but I still need to upload that. Which should not really be that amazing to understand if you thinK about it.
Now have you ever thought about light "particles" curving around rounded objects? If I'm not mistaken, I just saw laser beaming on a hair and "particles" going around the hair.
I think this is as far as I can go regarding laser things going inside the laser beam...but what's important is that 99% of the people don't know what is going on there.
http://youtu.be/IRJgUJX0bO0
Point being is that a lot of people (99%) believe that they are living in truth when they are not.
Understanding anything regarding your house is simple stuff.
1- Air conditioning unit.
2- Dish washer.
3- Stove.
4- Refrigerator.
5- Microwave.
6- TV.
7- Electricity.
8- Ceiling fan.
9- Computer.
10- Plumbing.
11- Foundation problems.
12- Water leaks.
And the list goes on and on, those are not hard to understand.
I was thinking that engineers that make computer chips where very smart but, if i get in that field, My eyes would be open where they are not that smart at all. Which to me says, don't believe like they are some type of gods that you can't never learn what they have learned.
Here is something that will take you to what mostly 99% of the people are focusing on. http://youtu.be/o1rT57-sz4Y
Just to take a look on the other side of the lawn where the grass is greener...lol. (I know those lyrics by memory after hearing them so many times). Word to your mother! lol.
Lets look deeper into the lyrics to dissect...
"Ice Ice Baby"
Yo, VIP, let's kick it!
Ice Ice Baby, Ice Ice Baby
All right stop, Collaborate and listen
Ice is back with my brand new invention
Something grabs a hold of me tightly
Flow like a harpoon daily and nightly
Will it ever stop? Yo, I don't know
Turn off the lights and I'll glow
To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal
Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.
Dance, go rush the speaker that booms
I'm killing your brain like a poisonous mushroom
Deadly, when I play a dope melody
Anything less than the best is a felony
Love it or leave it, you better gain way
You better hit bull's eye, the kid don't play
If there was a problem, yo, I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it
Ice Ice Baby Vanilla, Ice Ice Baby Vanilla
Ice Ice Baby Vanilla, Ice Ice Baby Vanilla
Now that the party is jumping
With the bass kicked in, and the Vegas are pumpin'
Quick to the point, to the point, no faking
Cooking MCs like a pound of bacon
Burning them they ain't quick and nimble
I go crazy when I hear a cymbal
And a hi hat with a souped up tempo
I'm on a roll and it's time to go solo
Rollin' in my 5.0
With my ragtop down so my hair can blow
The girlies on standby, waving just to say, "Hi!"
Did you stop? No, I just drove by
Kept on pursuing to the next stop
I busted a left and I'm heading to the next block
That block was dead Yo
So I continued to A1A Beachfront Ave.
Girls were hot wearing less than bikinis
Rockman lovers driving Lamborghinis
Jealous 'cause I'm out getting mine
Shay with a gauge and Vanilla with a nine
Ready for the chumps on the wall
The chumps acting ill because they're so full of "Eight Ball"
Gunshots ranged out like a bell
I grabbed my nine, all I heard was shells
Falling on the concrete real fast
Jumped in my car, slammed on the gas
Bumper to bumper, the avenue's packed
I'm trying to get away before the jackers jack
Police on the scene, you know what I mean
They passed me up, confronted all the dope fiends
If there was a problem, yo, I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it
Ice Ice Baby Vanilla, Ice Ice Baby Vanilla
Ice Ice Baby Vanilla, Ice Ice Baby Vanilla
Take heed, 'cause I'm a lyrical poet
Miami's on the scene just in case you didn't know it
My town, that created all the bass sound
Enough to shake and kick holes in the ground
'Cause my style's like a chemical spill
Feasible rhymes that you can vision and feel
Conducted and formed, this is a hell of a concept
We make it hype and you want to step with this
Shay plays on the fade, slice like a ninja
Cut like a razor blade so fast, other DJs say, "Damn."
If my rhyme was a drug, I'd sell it by the gram
Keep my composure when it's time to get loose
Magnetized by the mic while I kick my juice
If there was a problem, Yo, I'll solve it!
Check out the hook while D-Shay revolves it.
Ice Ice Baby Vanilla, Ice Ice Baby Vanilla
Ice Ice Baby Vanilla, Ice Ice Baby Vanilla
Yo, man, let's get out of here! Word to your mother!
Ice Ice Baby Too cold, Ice Ice Baby Too cold Too cold
Ice Ice Baby Too cold Too cold, Ice Ice Baby Too cold Too cold
New unseen drawings / diagrams from Walter Russell just released
more::
Ken, thanks for the Magnet drawings it is really "magnet P - O - R - N"... by W.R...
I am replacing my girly photos with these drawings...
WoW.....
oscillatio-fellatio
We want Bismut.bismut.bismut.bismut.where is bismut.bismut.bismut.
Anyway, I see some positive changes; this recent kind of topic seems somewhat more digestible.
Also, a flash of hope for more civilized, respectful language.
I guess, there are more readable sources of Walter Russell's works.
https://www.google.com/search?q=walter+russell+pdf&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=walter+russell+pdf&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
http://bluestarenterprise.com/files-outside-wordpress/walter-russell/49306379-Walter-Russell-the-Universal-One-Alchemy-Chemistry.pdf (http://bluestarenterprise.com/files-outside-wordpress/walter-russell/49306379-Walter-Russell-the-Universal-One-Alchemy-Chemistry.pdf)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 01, 2015, 05:34:11 AM
New unseen drawings / diagrams from Walter Russell just released
Well *that* was a whole lot of crazy. :)
There's got to be a way to detect such oscillatory without confusing it with lenz-motion.I wonder if there is any luminescent material that would respond to magneto-oscillation?
Quote from: Acca on March 01, 2015, 07:57:27 AM
Ken, thanks for the Magnet drawings it is really "magnet P - O - R - N"... by W.R...
I am replacing my girly photos with these drawings...
WoW.....
WOW!!!! Ive got some more (THE LAST OF THEM!!!!)
Thanks Ken! Deep, suggestive and intuitive drawings!
Sadang:'Thanks Ken! Deep, suggestive and intuitive drawings!'
Like Da vinci.what experiment can we do sadang,to rule in oscillatio and rule out lenz?
Quote from: sadang on March 02, 2015, 12:52:51 AM
Thanks Ken! Deep, suggestive and intuitive drawings!
Well with quotes like this...
Quote from: crazy personpolarization is the measure of mind desire for the division into the two opposite sex-conditions which make motion both possible and imperative.
"intuitive" probably doesn't mean "readily learned or understood"
Quote from: profitis on March 02, 2015, 03:36:16 AM
Sadang:'Thanks Ken! Deep, suggestive and intuitive drawings!'
Like Da vinci.what experiment can we do sadang,to rule in oscillatio and rule out lenz?
profitis, the answer was already set in my messages in this topic, find it! And who was Heinrich Lenz? How much do you know about the scientific atmosphere of Petersburg Academy of his time? Don't hurry to answer! Do your homework first, but not only from wikipedia!
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 02, 2015, 07:04:16 AM
Well with quotes like this..."intuitive" probably doesn't mean "readily learned or understood"
a diff. lexicon doesnt = inaccuracy
a 10 year should have learned that
Sadang:'all imaginable experiments related to magnetism will fall under Lenz, Lorenz, Faraday or other already well established laws'
Yes you said this sadang.it doesn't help us.and If apophasis is correct then this will absolutely not be true
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 02, 2015, 12:13:23 PM
a diff. lexicon doesnt = inaccuracy
Depends on what you're measuring. If you're measuring transmission of information then yes. That's exactly what it means.
Quotea 10 year should have learned that
A 10 year old doesn't need to substitute "red" for "blue" in order to talk about the color of roses. The crazy guy who wrote all those diseased drawings did.
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 02, 2015, 02:13:18 PM
The crazy guy who wrote all those diseased drawings did.
that crazy guy? you refer to walter Russell ;DLIKEWISE, Nikola Tesla praised him
He will still have a MILLION followers strong long after your worm riddled rotten corpse fades away
Youre myopic , 70% of his writings are dead accurate.
he makes many errors, but hes 60% MORE accurate than 99% of everyone else.
Quote from: another crazy guy on March 02, 2015, 05:38:51 PM
that crazy guy? you refer to walter Russell
Yes, I looked him up.
Quotestill have a MILLION followers strong long after your worm riddled rotten corpse fades away
So will Vishnu. Proving nothing.
Quote
Youre myopic , 70% of his writings are dead accurate.
he makes many errors, but hes 60% MORE accurate than 99% of everyone else.
LOL - What does "60% more accurate" even mean? It sounds like something someone who never took stats would say. If I asked him a question about programming. He would come back from the dead and give me an answer that is what? 1.6 times more efficient than what I would come up with?
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 02, 2015, 08:00:40 PM
If I asked him a question about programming. He would come back from the dead and give me an answer that is what? 1.6 times more efficient than what I would come up with?
youre a myopic bean counting asshole. ;D
this isnt programming asshole, its called an "accurate generalization" in reference to someone " who is far more accurate than most on said subject"
I know your type very well son. If you want to debate something let me know, .....Ill piss in your skull on any formal topic of discussion.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 02, 2015, 09:22:55 PM
... its called an "accurate generalization"
Wow. You have a good career waiting for you in the State Department. Is this the opposite of Generalized Specifics?
Bill
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 02, 2015, 09:22:55 PM
this isnt programming asshole
You said he was "more accurate" than just about everyone. Apparently he's not more accurate than I am about algorithm design. Too bad. I would love to have talked combinatorics with zombie Russell.
Quoteits called an "accurate generalization" in reference to someone " who is far more accurate than most on said subject"
Oh so you get to pick a very small subset of extant fields where Russell was "far more accurate". No doubt you also get to pick the scale and metric for accuracy. Which sort of makes my point for me but don't worry if you don't get it. :)
QuoteIf you want to debate something let me know, .....Ill piss in your skull on any formal topic of discussion.
Yawn. The second you say something formal enough to be debated I'll let you know. Until then you can return to your needlessly enormous diagrams...which aren't compensating for anything at all.... :)
TA, those pictures are very interesting but hard to see. I think there is a code to resize them. I'm looking at the forum in a 1080p monitor and the pictures fill my entire screen, it throws off the viewing experience.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 02, 2015, 09:35:57 PM
Wow. You have a good career waiting for you in the State Department. Is this the opposite of Generalized Specifics?
Myopic crotch cricket. ;D ;D
A "accurate generalization" is PLATONIC RETRODUCTION.
an "accurate generalization" is that one doesnt "go looking for fish in the Nevada desert
One works from the KNOWN to the SPECIFIC as most expedient problem solving. Not the inverse, like idiots as yourself do.
I wasnt chess champ in high school and college and graduated 2 years early by being a DUMBASS like yourself, son. ;D ;D
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 02, 2015, 11:12:20 PM
I am about algorithm design.
FEEBLE PREMISE ASSHOLE
to have an algorithm spit out accurate INFO, you have to first have a Logical Premise and working Theory to being with.
Its asshole idiots like you that design APPs and programs to solve things they dont even know a damn thing about.
Worse than a bean counter is an idiot like you who would DESIGN a program to spit out BEAN YIELDS per year based off of a narrow spectrum of harvest yield, skewing results radically.
Wisdom is something you have none thereof. ;D ;D
Tell me son, is good math with a 100% flawed premise and therefore nonsense output TRUMPED by a logical sound premise and retroductive conclusion?
Its over your head by MILES.
Hey apohasis if you can get hold of one of these panels or anything like it you will silence all infrared photo-critics.these panels are so sensitive to temperature that they glow at room temperature.put your mag and ball ontop it and send regular photo in the dark and presto
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 03, 2015, 01:41:00 AM
to have an algorithm spit out accurate INFO, you have to first have a Logical Premise and working Theory to being with.
I'm talking about algorithm design - closer to what Computer Science was and less is today. Your use of "logical premise" and "working theory" are too poorly defined to be discussed. Please do better next post :).
I'll see if I can guess whatever you're on about though. Perhaps you mean that to design an algorithm you need domain specific knowledge? i.e. You can't/shouldn't create an algorithm to sort names of presidents without knowing something about presidents. There are lots of good reasons to not do this one is utility - If you were to make a president-name-sorter it might not work for sorting the names of breakfast cereals (or fruit bats). Another is provability - the internal assumptions in "what makes a president" is just something people made up and varies from place to place. So it becomes difficult to prove that this algorithm is better than any other potential president-sorter without resorting to some other better defined construct (an ascii-represented-text sorter). A third is post hoc optimizations are often easy to do. e.g. Choosing the initial bounds for a binary search can make it faster and from that is the rule-of-thumb that "premature optimization is the root of all evil". That is, optimizing before you have an actual product (which is different than an algorithm) is often a bad idea because it's often difficult to predict where developer time would be the most useful.
So your cute diatribe aside Russell is probably my inferior when it comes to algorithm design. :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 03, 2015, 07:52:01 AM
So your cute diatribe aside Russell is probably my inferior when it comes to algorithm design. :)
apples and oranges son, how old are you boy? ;D
and YOU are INFERIOR to the dumbest oldest blindest FISH in the sea when it comes to breathing underwater.
take your false analogies and comparisons and stick them back up your ass from whence they came.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 03, 2015, 12:51:05 PM
apples and oranges son
Dude, it was you who claimed that Russell was "smarter than 99%" - I just showed that he was kind of a fuckwit compared to me in a specific respect - demonstrating a point that metrics like that are kind of stupid. Then you seemed to want to talk about algorithm design - where you appear to be something of a fuckwit compared to me.
Now that we've exhausted everything you can argue about you're sodding off.
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 03, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
- I just showed that he was kind of a fuckwit compared to me in a specific respect
you showed nothing, youre a child with no wisdom.
Youre king of a nutshell inside your own mind. You have nothing intelligent to contribute on any dialectic discussion on field mechanics or otherwise.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 03, 2015, 04:00:24 PM
you showed nothing
Either you admit that Russell was my inferior in algorithm design or you point to his extant work on O(log(log(n)) searching or whatever. :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 03, 2015, 04:10:42 PM
Either you admit that my inferior intellect knows nothing about field mechanics, since this thread is about same......or just admit that im a loser :)
I admit to both of what you just said above.
If you have nothing to discuss on the topic of field mechanics, or magnetism, then get lost, son.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 03, 2015, 04:18:42 PM
If you have nothing to discuss on the topic of field mechanics, or magnetism, then get lost, son.
Again, YOU brought up the "99%" figure and I showed you how it's kind of meaningless when you get to arbitrarily choose a sub-field and a metric and the definition of terms. By the same token Russell is a fuckwit when it comes to algorithms...as are you. :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 03, 2015, 04:20:46 PM
YOU brought up the "99%" figure and I showed you how it's kind of meaningless when you get to arbitrarily choose a sub-field and a metric and the definition of terms.
go back to school little boy, you never learned the diff. between qualification, and quantification.
If you have nothing to discuss on the topic of field mechanics, or magnetism, then get lost, son.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 03, 2015, 05:09:49 PM
If you have nothing to discuss on the topic of field mechanics, or magnetism, then get lost, son.
Yawn. Thank goodness for copy and paste. As before YOU brought up the "99%" figure and I showed you how it's kind of meaningless when you get to arbitrarily choose a sub-field and a metric and the definition of terms. By the same token Russell is a fuckwit when it comes to algorithms...as are you....and now that you realize you had no chance...you're back to masturbating to The Secret of Light. :)
The magnetic vortex. Is there proof that such thing exists?
Quote from: orbut 3000 on March 03, 2015, 08:46:25 PM
The magnetic vortex. Is there proof that such thing exists?
Yes! Yessss! Yesssssss! ;D
Quote from: orbut 3000 on March 03, 2015, 08:46:25 PM
The magnetic vortex. Is there proof that such thing exists?
enormous evidence, yes.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 03, 2015, 09:06:03 PM
enormous evidence, yes.
You must have meant erroneous evidence right?
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 03, 2015, 09:08:48 PM
You must have meant erroneous evidence right?
indeed i do, refer your LAZY WORTHLESS Gdamn ass to the past 100 pages.
Might i remind your FUCKING ASS, (your dumb ass), that a Hypotrochoid CANNOT even be DRAWN or created outside of the mechanics of a vortex
(but maybe your dumb ass doesnt know what a hypotrochoid is).
you and the OTHER COCKROACHES think the term VORTEX is some MAGIC thing like a Unicorn , or some such BS, its not ;D ;D ;D
copyright 1.14-2015 Ken l W.
A vortex is a compounded or compounding spatial force vector expression within which or by which magnetic-force vectors are expressed against its/their originating counterspatial dielectric locus (inertia) along a curvilinear force-and-inertia pressure mediation as against the counterspatial locus of said divergent curvilinear expression. Compounded macrocosmic natural phenomena vortex (fluid, environmental) events are void or vacuum convergences against a pressure stasis. Cosmic vortex phenomena are left for another discussion, however are likewise akin to magnetic hypotrochoid expressions. As per magnetic vortex hyperboloids, force and space-creation are torsional ('inertial-friction') along golden ratio extrapolations and are additive, whereas convergences are dielectrically multiplicative. This is expressed as space is additive and synonymous with magnetic divergence, whereas counterspace is multiplicative. A magnetic vortex is a dielectric projection of force vectors, which follows a hyperboloid.
A vortex, in simple, is merely a curvilinear expression of force-against-dielectric-inertia reciprocation whereby which no straight lines exist in the universe, in that all force vectors are 'tethered' at a counterspatial locus within which and by which any and all divergences are torsional convergences as against a necessitated polarized locus (micro [atomic], or macro [magnet, a coherent mass]) which exists against all space by definition. The hyperboloid is the curvilinear expression of the loss of inertia which is extrapolated as a 3D hypotrochoid, or spatial torus. All geometry is projective geometry; likewise the magnetic hyperboloid is an inertia-and-loss-of-inertia phenomenon by which pressure reciprocation necessitates spheroidal convergence by means of hypotrochoid reciprocation. Negative pressure dynamics mediate pressure force reciprocations towards inverse counterspatial sink. The magnetic hypotrochoid is a convergence by means of polarized divergence vortex by nature, however the center of any and all torus formations, is the hyperboloid. The counterspatial 'center' of the torus is dielectric inertia, or counterspace from which the magnetic vortex, or torus is expressed necessitatively.
Even a centrifugal vortex is centripetal, in that it MUST reciprocate the geometry of the hyperboloid to converge centripetally at the opposite spatial displacement of centripetal convergence ("opposite pole"). There are no straight lines in the universe, all force vectors are curvilinear and move along a spiral around one or more counterspatial "tether-points". Contrary to the pontifications of pseudo-science, there exists NO open vortex phenomena in the universe, all force vectors are CLOSED.
Ultimately a vacuum created vortex (water vortex, water down the drain) or a magnetic vortex are both expressions of counterspace, one a localized void, the other an Ether-convergence. No force ends in space, because space is NOT a receptacle for force, rather the posterior attribute of divergences. All force vectors terminate at the origins, in inertia, or as meant counterspace.
Coherent magnetic reciprocation expressed by a magnet's (polarization collective with coherency) divergence exists as a pressure-force hyperboloid as necessitated by the dielectric counterspatial locus so-deemed by modern inept and defunct physics as a "Bloch wall". Inertia is the counterspatial 'tether point' at which and by which all force vectors, magnetic and otherwise express curvilinear reciprocations as defined by the space they create in so doing.
The absolute inverse of inertia is nothing, which is space. Space is neither a FIELD nor a FORCE, and has no properties, is it is purely a posterior attribute of the force reciprocations of magnetism. Force is nothing whatsoever, and the expression which gives definition to all phenomena in the universe.
"Under" the spheroidal field (really a force, not a field, only dielectric is the true field, magnetism is purely a force only) of magnetism, either atomic or the magnetic (coherent single mass) exists the spatial-counterspatial HYPERBOLOID, failure to understand this will make your compression of what the term "polarization" both IS and IMPLIES in the definition of what both magnetism IS and is meant, and how this applies to the magnet itself.
Quote from: orbut 3000 on March 03, 2015, 08:46:25 PM
The magnetic vortex. Is there proof that such thing exists?
I can help you figure that out...here's a quote:
"My gaping asshole is the power to move which is extended from the mind of the creator to create thought wave bodies in the image forms of the creators imaginings" - Walter Russell
Now if someone approached you and said that. Would you think the person is right or wrong. If the former then probably mountains of evidence exist from that perspective if the later then you can count yourself among the sane folk.
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 03, 2015, 09:15:24 PM
I can help you figure that out...here's a quote:
"My gaping asshole is the power to move which is extended from the mind of the creator to create thought wave bodies in the image forms of the creators imaginings" - Walter Russell
Now if someone approached you and said that. Would you think the person is right or wrong. If the former then probably mountains of evidence exist from that perspective if the later then you can count yourself among the sane folk.
Huh?
© 2015 orbut 3000
Quote from: orbut 3000 on March 03, 2015, 09:23:06 PM
Huh?
See those are (pretty much) the words of Walter Russell the man-god that ApotheosisOfCray is on about. If you think the quote is verbal diarrhea (no pun intented) then his work (especially his early work) isn't much different.
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 03, 2015, 09:15:24 PM
I can help you figure that out...here's a quote:
"My gaping asshole is the power to move which is extended from the mind of the creator to create thought wave bodies in the image forms of the creators imaginings" - Walter Russell
Now if someone approached you and said that. Would you think the person is right or wrong. If the former then probably mountains of evidence exist from that perspective if the later then you can count yourself among the sane folk.
Just a matter of interpretation and education! For the record!
- https://archive.org/stream/WalterRussellTheSecretOfLight/WalterRussell_TheSecretOfLight#page/n0/mode/1up (https://archive.org/stream/WalterRussellTheSecretOfLight/WalterRussell_TheSecretOfLight#page/n0/mode/1up)
If a vortex does not exist, how do you know is does not?
By the same token,
If it does exist, how do you know it exists?
Now those that don't know jack shit just get eliminated one by one.
Let the competitions begin. lol
By the end of the day, or sub forum, we will know who is right 100% and who is wrong 100%.
The winner will win a medal made of 24 karat gold.
Place your bets niga's
Are you gona supply that gold medal joelitis
Quote from: sadang on March 04, 2015, 01:00:45 AM
Just a matter of interpretation and education! For the record!
Same could be said for the Koran as a book of science or the Bible or the writings of Bahá'u'lláh. The point is when you write text that is so ridiculously vague you can almost certainly find parallels or predictions in real science. As long as what you are reading is sufficiently large and the distribution of words is sufficiently broad and your interpretation doesn't require any rigor then the likelihood that you are imputing your evidence is much much higher than the idea that you are actually being taught anything. :)
QuoteThe point is when you write text that is so ridiculously vague you can almost certainly find parallels or predictions in real science.
Why not viceversa? Just another example which confirm is just a matter of interpretation and education.
Quote from: sadang on March 04, 2015, 02:44:09 PM
Why not viceversa?
Depends what you mean. The example is a vague text of sufficient size and with loose interpretive rules will likely find a parallel in real scientific literature. "vice versa" would usually mean reversing the terms in a statement: "real scientific literature having a parallel in a vague text of sufficient size and with loose interpretive rules."
Those are effectively the same thing. You are still more likely imputing science into a text rather than discovering it.
Quote...real scientific literature having a parallel in a vague text of sufficient size and with loose interpretive rules."
Those are effectively the same thing. You are still more likely imputing science into a text rather than discovering it.
You forgot to ask why bold words. Wrong rewording! Just another example which confirm is just a matter of interpretation and education.
Quote from: sadang on March 04, 2015, 03:10:12 PM
You forgot to ask why bold words. Wrong rewording!
No, it's the usual way that would be used in English. If you have something to say, it's usually more efficient to say it rather than to make people guess.
QuoteIf you have something to say, it's usually more efficient to say it rather than to make people guess.
Is not my intent to make people guess rather than to make people think otherwise. Just a matter of interpretation and education!
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The point is when real science is so ridiculously vague you can almost certainly find parallels or predictions in text someone write. Same could be said for the Koran as a written book or the Bible or the writings of Bahá'u'lláh.
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Those are not the same thing as your interpretation of my viceversa at all! And this behavior apply also to your words about Russell writings!
Quote from: sadang on March 04, 2015, 03:48:40 PM
Is not my intent to make people guess
Then your energies aren't being used efficiently.
Quote
Just a matter of interpretation and education!
Which doesn't mean much unless you are willing to explain what you mean.
QuoteThose are not the same thing as your interpretation of my viceversa at all!
English please. :)
Keep close and be patient! I'll be back with detailed explanations, letter by letter, word by word and sentence by sentence! Would have been much easier to say that you don't agree with my viceversa. ???
Quote from: sadang on March 04, 2015, 04:23:14 PM
Would have been much easier to say that you don't agree with my viceversa. ???
You seem to be being deliberately obtuse. So how could someone reasonably say they agree or disagree?
QuoteYou seem to be being deliberately obtuse.
Just a matter of interpretation and education! I said what I had to say. Who's interested will use his eyes and mind to understand.
Quote from: sadang on March 04, 2015, 04:59:53 PM
I said what I had to say.
Poorly. Being deliberately stupid seems like a waste of time. :)
Sadang:'Just a matter of interpretation and education!'
This doesn't help sadang.we needit evidence or demonstratio of some sorts to helpit here with oscillatio-theory.apophasis won't bringout the bismuth ever again so we must make do our own ideas for demonstratio
Fabrizio today showed a photo of light wave-particle.we needit a photo of a oscillatio effect
Here's a picture of my laser light with out the lens.
Here's the gif (30 something megs in size)
http://imgur.com/in5PsSm
QuotePlace your bets niga's
lol
Quote from: joel321 on March 04, 2015, 10:24:51 PM
Here's a picture of my laser light with out the lens.
Here's the gif (30 something megs in size)
http://imgur.com/in5PsSm (http://imgur.com/in5PsSm)
There is a vortex! I can see it! Well, at least Kenny will say that he can see it.
Bill
QuotePoorly. Being deliberately stupid seems like a waste of time.
Just a matter of interpretation and education. Your own!
Pure arrogance resulting from the use of only one half of the cerebral hemispheres. It is not a sign of mental health to be full of certitudes in a relative world! Only a certain category of people are full of certitudes!
Perhaps you will understand more than the direct meaning of words when you'll give up to use only the left hemisphere of your brain in the process of learning and understanding. Do at least this step, if to other forms of knowledge seems you have no access!
QuoteThis doesn't help sadang.we needit evidence or demonstratio of some sorts to helpit here with oscillatio-theory.apophasis won't bringout the bismuth ever again so we must make do our own ideas for demonstratio
Why? Why this impatience and insistence? You do not feel comfortable in the limits imposed by the already existing laws? As the laws of thermodynamics! Need more such limits? From where this wrong mentality to wait for someone else to prove you something? What have you personally to won if someone explain you something you can not understand, having other references and model of thinking than him? Nothing, just money perhaps, through a replication process specific to the "smarts" of the current civilization. And the results of this infantile mentality can be seen everywhere around. Only destruction!
Change the premises of your own experiment with chemically obtained silver and will see the results in another light! Follow your own path and if not successful go back from the beginning and learn who was Heinrich Lenz for example and why his law is a circular law! As well as other so called scientific laws! Wrong premises, wrong interpretation, wrong development!
Just a matter of interpretation and education!
QuoteThere is a vortex! I can see it! Well, at least Kenny will say that he can see it.
Well there are lines going clockwise and counterclockwise. The counterclockwise are predominant but you can see the clock wise lines too.
I'm not saying it is a vortex, but you see the lines right? (either curving clockwise or counter clockwise?)
Quote from: sadang on March 05, 2015, 12:23:27 AM
Just a matter of interpretation and education.
It's interesting how many people like yourself are either incapable or unwilling to discuss things here. Your desire to be deliberately stupid doesn't help anyone. :)
QuoteYour desire to be deliberately stupid doesn't help anyone.
Keep saying that and will become even more "smarter" or deliberately stupid than me! Btw try to find the relation between Vishnu, Krishna and Dwarka! Extrapolate a bit if you are able, and go back to your previous message about Vishnu and what can he prove. And extrapolate further, don't stop! However would be much better for you if you can dilute a little your EGO-centrism. Was enough 1000 years of GEO-centrism!
Sadang:'From where this wrong mentality to wait for someone else to prove you something?'
Apophasis come here with dictatorial proclamation sadang.he have infrared.he have money to get thermoluminescencepanel from ebay.he have money to get gadolinum.now I'm TELLING him how to vindicate and he don't wana? Its not fair to us.but I'l take your advise and see what I can do in my lab
Sadang:'You do not feel comfortable in the limits imposed by the already existing laws? As the laws of thermodynamics!'
You will notice that I was brave and actualy demonstrated things in other thread to support my own apophasis-hypothesis and rule out conventions.I lost a ton of intellectual property but I didit 4 science sadang.(I'm beginning to deeply regret this,I wasn't getting s.e.x. at that time)
Quote from: sadang on March 05, 2015, 01:45:51 AM
Keep saying that and will become even more "smarter" or deliberately stupid than me!
English please. :)
There are so many experiments @TA could have done with his thermal camera besides running after a vortexian illusion to become a cortexian delusion. The field as he is showing is not a field, but because the paper produces these nice patterns, the patterns become an object of veneration as a reality of the field. hahaha
So what is actually proven here is.......
1) Random atoms always produce a centric force and beside other random atoms = random atom patterns
2) Random atoms beside structured paper atoms = structured patterns of vectorial variance.
Expecting randomly agglomerated atoms that are then excited by an electric force to produce a magnet that is supposed to produce very fine perfectly symmetric fields that the paper will display as the magnets' reality is just the opposite. It is the papers controlled fabrication and micron alignments that produce the pattern based on one central magnetic inforce seen by the paper as extending angles of effect.
Like I said, there are so many experiments that could have been done and been of much greater use to OUers then all this magnet crap. Especially for OUers who know that just going 1/4" away from the magnet and any supposed field is just totally useless for any type of coupling in energy systems.
Next, we can expect @TA to go out in the dessert and convince us that the fuzzy mirage he sees out yonder is in fact a refreshing oasis. Then he will ask us to all dive in with eyes closed and mouth wide open. Surprise!!!
wattsup
I agree mr wattsap I'm also very dissapointed in mr apophasis. He making us look like pussies.he come with HUGE promises of revolution,but don't wana do jakshit. A lazy pol-pot is he.he ruv you wong time
Quote from: profitis on March 06, 2015, 03:43:15 PM
He making us look like pussies.
you do that all on your own , son.
Quote from: wattsup on March 06, 2015, 08:46:14 AM
There are so many experiments @TA
You THINK youre smart, but youre an idiot, now tell us why DARK glass gets hot, and transparent glass (essentially) doesnt?
Hmmmmmm EM permeability????
Bismuth is the
HIGHEST diagmagnetic element (= LOWEST magnetic permeability) there is.
divergent mag. field reciprocation causes SLIGHT thermal excitation in the Bismuth.
UNLESS you think i FAKED THE FLIR images? Is that what your PREMISE is?
Think whatever the hell you want. regardless of your "thoughts" (or lack thereof), logic is missing in your brain, regardless of the conclusion.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 06, 2015, 05:30:04 PM
UNLESS you think i FAKED THE FLIR images?
Not faked... misinterpreted.
Just as you did with your "magnet emitting heat FLIR video".
.
Quote from: picowatt on March 06, 2015, 05:39:29 PM
Not faked... misinterpreted.
Just as you did with your "magnet emitting heat FLIR video".
actually, the diamagnetic PLATING on that HUUUUUGE $800 magnet was, and IS emitting
very LITTLE heat, as the FLIR confirmed,
your pontifications that was merely a reflection issue was noted.
....and rejected.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 06, 2015, 08:01:51 PM
actually, the diamagnetic PLATING on that HUUUUUGE $800 magnet was, and IS emitting very LITTLE heat, as the FLIR confirmed,
your pontifications that was merely a reflection issue was noted.
....and rejected.
Nickel is ferromagnetic. Copper, if there is any under the nickel, is weakly diamagnetic.
Have you performed additional experiments using alternate measurement methods to prove your claim regarding the magnet giving off heat? In your FLIR video, you claimed what you believed to be a significant rise above ambient, which should have been very easy to measure with alternate methods if real (and not the more obvious reflection of the FLIR's heat).
Have you similarly performed additional experiments with your bismuth ball using alternate measurement methods?
If not, why?
Quote from: picowatt on March 06, 2015, 08:36:28 PM
Nickel is ferromagnetic.
who said nickel?
satin CHROME
Quote from: picowatt on March 06, 2015, 08:36:28 PM
Have you similarly performed additional experiments
heres what, why dont YOU do them yourself? You said you had FLIR gear, didnt you
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 06, 2015, 08:44:47 PM
who said nickel?
satin CHROME
Forgive me, chrome plating NdFeB is a bit less common. Don't know about "satin chrome", but chromium is not diamagnetic.
Quote
heres what, why dont YOU do them yourself? You said you had FLIR gear, didnt you
So, that is no, you have not made additional measurements using alternate methods...
Rest assured, no one will ever accuse you of being "scientific" or a "good experimentalist".
Quote from: picowatt on March 06, 2015, 09:04:47 PM
Rest assured, no one will ever accuse you of being "scientific" or a "good experimentalist".
Rest assured, no one will ever accuse you of being ANYTHING ELSE other than a lazy SOB ,........ scratching his balls, criticizing everything, TESTING NOTHING, keyboard jockey web-surfing Cheetos-munching lip flapping asshat.
Get off your lazy Gdamn ass and go DO stuff.
Do you know what they ACCUSED Faraday of?????
His methods were INCREDIBLY "non-scientific", ............. he did most things by inductive intuition working from LOGIC and REASON
Sorry asshole, but the Greeks discovered it "ALL", 1000s of years ago. ......... and NOT EVERYTHING (methodology) involves a rectal thermometer and a goddamn slide rule.
Got that, boy? ;D ;D ;D Dont try to match wits with me son, you cant win.
TA, have you ever played around with pyramid magnets?
http://youtu.be/yNtZUFhjquw
Quote from: joel321 on March 07, 2015, 01:02:52 AM
TA, have you ever played around with pyramid magnets?
http://youtu.be/yNtZUFhjquw
I KNOW THAT GUY!! Thats George Mizzell, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D hes best friends of my lifelong friend Tommy
the answer is YES, and yes and yes.
QuoteI KNOW THAT GUY!! Thats George Mizzell, hes best friends of my lifelong friend Tommy
That's lovely, but what I want to hear/see is that if your circular magnet has a vortex, what kind a vortex does a pyramid one has?
Is it the same?
That's all I'm getting at. Goerge Mizzell knows the power of a pyramid magnetic field. You know of a vortex magnetic field. So how strong would a pyramid magnetic vortex be compared to a circular magnet?
SO the evidence shows that a pyramid magnet focuses the magnetic field in the tip. A circular magnet focuses the magnetic field all over the circle.
In my own personal opinion, a magnetic pyramid focuses the magnetic fields to a point where it explodes! They are still clock wise and counter clockwise. Funny enough, the tip of the pyramid has a belt that is squeezing the magnetic fields close together.
But we have phenomena going on here.
1- magnetic fields follow matter. They concentrate on matter circumference.
2- when matter starts to get really scares, they explode to try to escape to other matter. From what I can see, all of the magnetic field is doing at the tip of the pyramid is just trying to escape, and that will cause a counter clockwise pyramid. Which sayd that all magnetic force is in the center of clockwise and counterclockwise. What ever escapes from the center, will turn around and do a circle.
Either way, I would like to know if a magnet that is a circle having a 'vortex' is the same as a magnet being pyramid shaped the same vortex?
Which would have the strongest vortex, a circular magnet or a pyramid magnet? 8)
I'm asking too many questions man. Ignore them! pls!
Quote from: joel321 on March 07, 2015, 03:07:55 AM
That's lovely, but what I want to hear/see is that if your circular magnet has a vortex, what kind a vortex does a pyramid one has?
lets make it SIMPLE for you, pyramid magnets have EXTREMELY high gauss ratings at their tip due to geometric constriction of the divergent centrifugal field reciprocations
same diff. between water from a HOSE, and sticking a NOZZLE on the end of the hose for greater pressure.
simple enough for you(r brain). ?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 06, 2015, 11:32:35 PM
Rest assured, no one will ever accuse you of being ANYTHING ELSE other than a lazy SOB ,........ scratching his balls, criticizing everything, TESTING NOTHING, keyboard jockey web-surfing Cheetos-munching lip flapping asshat.
Get off your lazy Gdamn ass and go DO stuff.
More fault laden assumptions, erroneous conclusions, insults and foul language. You are very good at THAT...
Quote
Do you know what they ACCUSED Faraday of?????
His methods were INCREDIBLY "non-scientific", ............. he did most things by inductive intuition working from LOGIC and REASON
And yet, with regard to your "magnet emits heat" video or your "bismuth sphere emits heat" claims using your FLIR, you just can't seem to muster any of that "LOGIC and REASON".
You, sir, are no Faraday...
Quote
Sorry asshole, but the Greeks discovered it "ALL", 1000s of years ago. ......... and NOT EVERYTHING (methodology) involves a rectal thermometer and a goddamn slide rule.
Got that, boy? ;D ;D ;D Dont try to match wits with me son, you cant win.
Science is not about winning...
And no, I would definitely not want to match your wits...
Quote from: picowatt on March 07, 2015, 06:12:30 AM
you just can't seem to muster any of that "LOGIC and REASON".
I provided BOTH the logic AND the reason
Bismuth is the HIGHEST diagmagnetic element (= LOWEST magnetic permeability) there is.
divergent mag. field reciprocation causes SLIGHT thermal excitation in the Bismuth.
your non-acceptance of same, is NO issue of mine, rather your OWN mental defect. ;D
NOR is your MERE pathetic rebuttal, a substantiation OF your "position"
How it works, son, is "No" (on your behalf)...............,
is neither logic, nor reason, nor substantiation, nor PREMISE to even entertain your pathetic position, which is nothing MORE than a mere denial without corroboration.
Youre a brainwashed stooge who was taught that NO, and IMPOSSIBLE are gods to be worshiped.
You have no mind whatsoever.
Thermoluminescense powders http://www.lumi-glow.com/ is the only way round infrared criticism.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 07, 2015, 06:52:53 AM
I provided BOTH the logic AND the reason
Bismuth is the HIGHEST diagmagnetic element (= LOWEST magnetic permeability) there is.
divergent mag. field reciprocation causes SLIGHT thermal excitation in the Bismuth.
your non-acceptance of same, is NO issue of mine, rather your OWN mental defect. ;D
NOR is your MERE pathetic rebuttal, a substantiation OF your "position"
How it works, son, is "No" (on your behalf)..............., is neither logic, nor reason, nor substantiation, nor PREMISE to even entertain your pathetic position, which is nothing MORE than a mere denial without corroboration.
Youre a brainwashed stooge who was taught that NO, and IMPOSSIBLE are gods to be worshiped.
You have no mind whatsoever.
I provided my logic and reasoning in rebuttal of your "magnet emits heat" FLIR video way back in this thread. I can repost that if you like. Other than respond with insults and foul language, you have never provided any logic or reasoning that falsified my analysis and deductions, let alone addressed them.
You made a claim based on faulty observations using your FLIR, and then went off on a magical mystery tour explaining why the magnet and the bismuth were emitting previously unnoticed quantities of heat, when there was no evidence that either were doing so.
If the claims you made regarding a magnet and bismuth emitting heat were true, this would be a significant discovery worthy of the history books. And yet, apparently, even you, with your very obvious ego, have not bothered to pursue or confirm this "discovery" by performing additional measurements using alternate measurement methods.
Profitis,
there's obviously been a huge amount of work done on bismuth and
magnetic fields, if you start looking. There's a thing called Zeeman coupling
and it's all been studied even at extreme low temperatures. Obviously one
would get things peer reviewed if there's a chance of a real breakthrough.
Interesting @harhaoppisesti.I'veheard plenty rumours about bismuth around overunityforums but never myself seen anything out the ordinary with it.I suspect it wouldn't be hard to stimulate a nuclear lenr with it under correct circumstances due to instability of its nucleus.if apophasis can prove to us a heat-effect with thermoluminescent material then bingo to him.
natural mineral fluorite is thermoluminescent at room temp.
Quote from: profitis on March 07, 2015, 06:56:21 AM
Thermoluminescense powders http://www.lumi-glow.com/ is the only way round infrared criticism.
I see they sell a line of photoluinescent powders...
However, I did not see any thermoluminescent products.
PW
You may be correct @picowatt.there was a guy in australia distributing room-temp thermoluminescentsbut I see the website is down now (www.foreverlight.com.au).such thermoluminescents must still be available elswhere,perhaps on alibaba,ebay etc.
Quote from: picowatt on March 07, 2015, 07:30:43 AM
I provided my logic and reasoning in rebuttal
You did no such thing, you made a groundless statement.
ERROR, try again
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 07, 2015, 02:47:09 PM
You did no such thing, you made a groundless statement.
ERROR, try again
@TheoriaApophasis,
Eat shit!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 07, 2015, 02:47:09 PM
You did no such thing, you made a groundless statement.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 07, 2015, 06:52:53 AM
How it works, son, is "No" (on your behalf)..............., is neither logic, nor reason, nor substantiation, nor PREMISE to even entertain your pathetic position, which is nothing MORE than a mere denial without corroboration.
Quote from: Irony
You have no mind whatsoever.
Doctor Patrick Kelly from the university of California, Berkley has found a
magnetic vortex!
An exploding star five billion light years away clearly shows convergent,
divergent, centripetal and centrifugal dielectric inertial plane.
This is reported in the Journal Scientific. If Einstein were alive today
I'll bet this discovery would have made him cross!!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 07, 2015, 02:47:09 PM
You did no such thing, you made a groundless statement.
ERROR, try again
My supposedly "groundless" commentary posted in this thread on Aug. 19, 2014 regarding your "magnet emits heat" FLIR video:
Quote
Dear readers,
The following video was posted by TA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJvIMU7JYM
(To better understand this post, I suggest opening the above video in a separate tab/window pausing at the time positions discussed herein and switching between this discussion and the paused video as needed.)
Early on in this video, TA proclaims that "nobody on Earth has ever seen this before, and only one person knew to look for it and expected it before he saw it, and that's yours truly" (meaning himself). He goes on, "And here it is, you're seeing proof after proof after proof and one of the cherry after cherry after cherry on the top of the cake" He continues to go on to claim that what we are seeing in this video is proof of the dielectric plane of the magnet and the incommensurate magneto dielectric nature of the magnet.
So this video must really provide some fantastic proof in support of his claims. Or does it?
In this video, TA is using a FLIR camera. For those unfamiliar with FLIR (Forward Looking Infra Red), it is basically a video camera designed to respond to longer wavelength infrared wavelengths outside the visible spectrum of human sight. These longer wavelengths, typically centered at around 10um (ca 8-12um), are more so considered as heat, and indeed, although invisible to the eye, will produce the sensation of heat when directed onto the skin at sufficient strength. The output from a FLIR camera can therefore be considered as a visualization of the heat being emitted by or reflected from the surfaces being viewed. Various graphical methods are used to display the FLIR information on a video display. For instance, intensity information from the FLIR can be used to generate a false color image wherein various colors are assigned to specific intensity (temperature) levels, allowing one to perceive the temperature of an object by the color that it is assigned. Other display methods use varying gray scale levels which produces a black and white visualization of the temperatures in the cameras field of view.
In the video linked above, TA is claiming that the magnet itself is "dissipating" heat. Apparently he means that the magnet is emitting heat as he has stated that "magnetism=radiation" and that "radiation is TRANSLATIONAL into HEAT generation".
In this supposedly amazing video, TA has positioned his large neo disc magnet against the face of a CRT display. The magnet is held by a mechanical fixture in this position and TA is apparently hand holding the FLIR, allowing him to move about and video from various perspectives.
As the video continues from the beginning, at 0:20 into the video (20 seconds) the outline of the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are barely visible, disappearing into only a ghostly visible outline of themselves. From the FLIR's perspective, the mostly greenish color assigned by the FLIR indicates that the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT are all fairly close to being the same temperature. There is no evidence of emission of heat from any surface of the magnet within the field of view above that temperature assigned to the green scale observed, nor is the CRT emitting any heat above that same temperature. For the most part, the temperature of these objects are all fairly similar.
Between 0:21 and 0:22 as the FLIR position is panned about, the yellow temp scale begins to appear. This indicates that the observed surfaces have either become instantaneously warmer, or that the objects observed are merely reflecting the heat from another source. Merely moving the position of a camera imaging an object does not affect the temperature of that object, so obviously this is only reflected heat. If one were imaging using a standard video camera in the visible wavelengths, this would be similar to the field of view brightening slightly as more light from the ambient source is reflected off the objects within the field of view. Notice also that even in this 0:21 to 0:22 time slot, the magnet, fixture, and CRT continue to remain fairly homogenous with regard to their temperature, that is, they remain pretty much the same color and and there is no indication whatsoever that the magnet is emitting any more heat than the fixture or CRT.
At 0:23 seconds in, a relatively hot spot, indicated by the circular red color, appears on the CRT face. Again, merely moving the FLIR camera about should have no effect on heat emitted by an object (i.e., not change its actual temperature) but reflections will indeed change and this is what is occurring here. So what is the red circle on the CRT display a reflection of? This is most likely a double reflection. A heat source is reflecting off the face of the shiny nickel coated neo magnet and onto the CRT, where it is again reflected towards the FLIR camera. So what is the heat source that is being reflected? The heat source is the FLIR camera itself (and as well his hand). Being an active electronic device, the FLIR camera is dissipating heat and to do so requires that it be above the ambient temperature. As we will see, at this particular sensitivity setting of the FLIR camera, the temperature of the FLIR camera itself (in concert with his hand) varies from red to white in the assigned temp scale.
At 0:23 seconds, the FLIR is panned about so that it is closer to perpendicular to the surface of the neo. At this time slot we begin to see a more direct reflection of the FLIR camera as it is reflected from the surface of the neo. If this were a video using a standard video camera, one would begin to see the image of the camera reflected off the face of the neo. Imagine using a video camera with a flood light mounted onto it pointing forward. If one were to aim that camera at a mirror, at a steep angle, the light would bounce off the mirror and away from the video camera. As one pans so that the video camera is looking directly at (perpendicular to) the mirror, the floodlight on the camera would reflect off the mirror and when perpendicular to the mirror it would produce an intense flare that would temporarily "blind" the camera (i.e., one would see the floodlight directed directly at the camera). This is what is beginning to occur at this 0:23 second time slot, but in this instance, it is the heat generated from the FLIR itself that is being reflected back towards the FLIR camera.
As the video proceeds to the 0:31 second mark, the position of the FLIR places the reflected heat image of the FLIR such that its image is seen at the edge of the magnet and reflected off the face of the CRT. The indicated higher temperatures are not the true temperatures of the magnet or CRT but are merely reflections of the heat source (the FLIR). We know this because when the angles were such that the heat of the FLIR was not reflected off the objects in view and back towards the FLIR, the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT were all the same temperature and closer to ambient (as indicated in the 0:20 to 0:23 time periods).
Between the 0:36 and 0:37 time period, TA begins to pan away from the previous view. As he pans, the FLIR camera is momentarily positioned so that it is almost perpendicular to and centered on the face of the magnet and an intense flare occurs as the FLIR camera captures an almost direct reflection of its own higher temperature heat image. If one needs an analogy, imagine pointing a flashlight at a mirror so that the light from the flashlight blinds yourself.
By 0:38 seconds, the temperature of the magnet, holding fixture, and CRT, all return to their previous and homogenous temperatures and all but disappear into the ambient temperature levels. Again this indicates that the magnet is emitting no heat above ambient and that all that the increased magnet temperatures seen as TA panned about were merely due to reflection of the heat produced by the FLIR camera itself. Even with only the most basic understanding of FLIR operation, this should be readily apparent to everyone watching this video. (I did not bother watching the video beyond this time point)
Throughout, the above portion of the video, TA is making all sorts of arrogant and baseless claims regarding what he believes he is actually seeing. His claims that the magnet is emitting or dissipating heat are not at all supported by the FLIR evidence he presents, but is actually refuted by that evidence.
Possibly this was his first experience with FLIR and that he merely "jumped the gun" in making conclusions based on this inexperience, which can to some degree be forgiven. However, this seems to be a pattern with regard to most all of his experiments wherein he rarely bothers to fully isolate the cause of an observed phenomenon and stops experimenting as soon as he achieves a result that he believes somehow supports his position.
However, surely by now he has had a bit more time to work with his FLIR camera. Merely pointing the FLIR camera directly at any highly reflective non-magnetized surface using the same sensitivity setting used above would provide all the evidence he needs to support the fact that the magnet's heat he supposedly observed in the above video was only a reflection of the heat from the FLIR camera itself.
Although one can understand how an inexperienced operator might jump to the far fetched conclusions that TA does in this video, it is difficult to believe that he has not by now realized his errors and come forth with a retraction or correction of his extraordinary and unsupported claims.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on March 07, 2015, 04:44:45 PM
My supposedly "groundless" commentary
I love your fucking commentary. ;D Youre like a movie critic that has never made a movie.
Go do the experiment yourself, post the video with the likewise FLIR included.
Commentary and lip flapping is the cornerstone of www asshats too lazy to experiment themselves.
Those that DO, and those that TALK.
which one are you son?
@picowatt: You are wrong about one thing:
Quote... it is difficult to believe that he has not by now realized his errors and come forth with a retraction or correction of his extraordinary and unsupported claims.
On the contrary, it is very _easy_ to believe that, since it is impossible for him to admit that he could be wrong about anything, as we have seen clearly demonstrated over and over in this thread. His fragile, insecure ego cannot admit any possibility of error. Even when the literature from the manufacturer of the FLIR product he uses warns against the very thing that is causing his error, even when clear demonstrations are given of the effect of emissivity and reflections on FLIR imagery, even when the basic claim is soundly refuted by alternate measurement methods... he is still _right_ because he cannot be wrong, QED. He insists that you repeat his error by using the same FLIR imagery -- and he will conclude that since you will get the same _data result_ you must be wrong in your interpretation. But he will not deign to perform the appropriate control experiments himself. Why not, since he is so insistent upon others repeating his own measurements with the FLIR camera? I know why, and so do you. He will _never_ perform any True Experiments with proper control experiments, such as, in this case, thermometry with thermocouples in a simple calorimeter, because that control experiment has the potential to _falsify_ his claims ... and his fragile ego cannot withstand that stress. His only recourse when challenged is to insult, with language that would be silly coming from an eighth-grader but is truly pathetic coming from someone who wishes to be thought of as an adult. Examples abound in this thread, and in every other forum where he has participated. Challenge Kenny Wheeler on any topic, and be prepared not for a reasoned refutation, but for a flood of pottymouth insults and irrelevant copy-pasta.
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 07, 2015, 06:02:29 PM
@picowatt: You are wrong about one thing:
On the contrary, it is very _easy_ to believe that, since it is impossible for him to admit that he could be wrong about anything, as we have seen clearly demonstrated over and over in this thread. His fragile, insecure ego cannot admit any possibility of error. Even when the literature from the manufacturer of the FLIR product he uses warns against the very thing that is causing his error, even when clear demonstrations are given of the effect of emissivity and reflections on FLIR imagery, even when the basic claim is soundly refuted by alternate measurement methods... he is still _right_ because he cannot be wrong, QED. He insists that you repeat his error by using the same FLIR imagery -- and he will conclude that since you will get the same _data result_ you must be wrong in your interpretation. But he will not deign to perform the appropriate control experiments himself. Why not, since he is so insistent upon others repeating his own measurements with the FLIR camera? I know why, and so do you. He will _never_ perform any True Experiments with proper control experiments, such as, in this case, thermometry with thermocouples in a simple calorimeter, because that control experiment has the potential to _falsify_ his claims ... and his fragile ego cannot withstand that stress. His only recourse when challenged is to insult, with language that would be silly coming from an eighth-grader but is truly pathetic coming from someone who wishes to be thought of as an adult. Examples abound in this thread, and in every other forum where he has participated. Challenge Kenny Wheeler on any topic, and be prepared not for a reasoned refutation, but for a flood of pottymouth insults and irrelevant copy-pasta.
@Tinselkoala,
This guy needs a tranquilizer dart!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 07, 2015, 05:34:19 PM
I love your fucking commentary. ;D Youre like a movie critic that has never made a movie.
Go do the experiment yourself, post the video with the likewise FLIR included.
Commentary and lip flapping is the cornerstone of www asshats too lazy to experiment themselves.
Those that DO, and those that TALK.
which one are you son?
Pretty much the same insulting foul mouthed response you made regarding my post way back in August.
And again, as I stated recently and way back then, you address nothing in my post.
At least you are consistent....
Little does Kenny know that in the eyes of many he is just a dancing chicken on the hotplate of life.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 07, 2015, 05:34:19 PM
Youre like a movie critic that has never made a movie.
Go do the experiment yourself, post the video with the likewise FLIR included.
Oh hey, it's the classic "builder" fallacy. I could listen to stuff like this all day.
Quotewhich one are you son?
I confess, and perhaps this has come from meeting some very bright children that the ageism here never really makes sense.
Quote from: picowatt on March 07, 2015, 06:23:20 PM
you address nothing in my post.
you mean your lip flapping COMMENTARY, Yeah, i got it.
Youre the same idiot who said 50 pages ago you had a FLIR
Take you 10 mins to duplicate it / refute it.
So, why hasnt your lazy ass done so yet? ;D ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 07, 2015, 06:02:29 PM
He will _never_ perform any True Experiments with proper control experiments, such as, in this case, thermometry with thermocouples in a simple calorimeter, because that control experiment has the potential to _falsify_ his claims
Ohhhhh, so that means its EASY......... why havent you done the experiment yet then?
those that TALK, and those that DO.
Youre a knob polishing keyboard jockey ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 07, 2015, 10:25:19 PM
Ohhhhh, so that means its EASY......... why havent you done the experiment yet then?
those that TALK, and those that DO.
Youre a knob polishing keyboard jockey ;D
@TheoriaApophasis,
Eat shit!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 07, 2015, 10:23:40 PM
you mean your lip flapping COMMENTARY, Yeah, i got it.
Youre the same idiot who said 50 pages ago you had a FLIR
Take you 10 mins to duplicate it / refute it.
So, why hasnt your lazy ass done so yet? ;D ;D
I did not state anywhere in this thread that I have a FLIR.
You have made an "ERROR"...
TA,
Regarding this FLIR video of yours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJvIMU7JYM
At, and between, the 0:20 and 0:21 time stamps (20 and 21 seconds in), do you see any indication that the magnet is at a different temperature than that of its holding fixture or immediate surroundings?
Everybody is now focusing on the far-infrared experiments,specificly the bismut experiment for one reason: it is just about the only experiment here that can maybe,possibly sustain a theory of magnetic field oscillation if it works.
Quote from: picowatt on March 07, 2015, 11:51:29 PM
I did not state anywhere in this thread that I have a FLIR.
You suffer some strange form of psychopathy. Of what variety, who is to know.
Keep chomping your popcorn there keyboard jockey.
I was just just replacing the battery in my voltmeter and testing a bowl-form coil.
The fact that we don't get even the tiniest electric current when a stationary magnet is shoved infront a coil with a diode attatched means one of two things: 1)there is no oscillating field.2) there is an oscillating field but its frequency is so high that normal diodes can't valve it.
Quote from: profitis on March 08, 2015, 04:17:37 AM
The fact that we don't get even the tiniest electric current when a stationary magnet is shoved infront a coil with a diode attatched means one of two things: 1)there is no oscillating field.2) there is an oscillating field but its frequency is so high that normal diodes can't valve it.
your premise is 100% flawed, pressure mediation dictates that displacement occurs, not current on an existent in the way of the reciprocating field.
There is infinite displacement topos (area).
By your premise, sticking a large rock in a bucket of water will somehow alter the "current" to the bucket wall, when in fact the water is merely displaced.
However, there is N pole rarefaction and S pole compression and seen by 100% reproducible biological experiments.
the MOST SENSITIVE "diodes" in existence, are CELLULARand I can assure you with 10,000% certainty, that reproduction of these rarefaction OR compression currents can be replicated by ANYONE and EVERYONE with 100% certainty of outcome.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 08, 2015, 04:09:30 AM
You suffer some strange form of psychopathy. Of what variety, who is to know.
Keep chomping your popcorn there keyboard jockey.
I was just just replacing the battery in my voltmeter and testing a bowl-form coil.
If you believe I stated I own a FLIR in this thread, it should be quite easy for you to prove it by posting a quote of me saying so.
But again, you, with your "psychology", refuse to address the points raised in my post or even answer a simple yes or no question regarding your "magnet emits heat" FLIR video..
You are very obvious...
Apophasis:'the MOST SENSITIVE "diodes" in existence, are CELLULAR
and I can assure you with 10,000% certainty, that reproduction of
these rarefaction OR compression currents can be replicated by
ANYONE and EVERYONE with 100% certainty of outcome'
The most sensitive diodes in existance are maxwellian demons.what experiment do you suggest then.bare in mind it must rule out convention.also bare in mind that if it cannot rule out convention then its about as useless as a empty k.f.c chicken-box lying in the road.
Quote from: profitis on March 08, 2015, 04:40:47 AM
Apophasis:'the MOST SENSITIVE "diodes" in existence, are CELLULAR
and I can assure you with 10,000% certainty, that reproduction of
these rarefaction OR compression currents can be replicated by
ANYONE and EVERYONE with 100% certainty of outcome'
The most sensitive diodes in existance are maxwellian demons.what experiment do you suggest then.bare in mind it must rule out convention.also bare in mind that if it cannot rule out convention then its about as useless as a empty k.f.c chicken-box lying in the road.
download Rawles and Davis' book on magnetism and their biological experiments ive been duplicating over and over and over.....the book is on scribd.com (red cover)
perform ANY of the biological experiments therein. Very easy to do.
Apophasis:'100% reproducible biological experiments.'
They may be reproducable but they do not and cannot rule out convention.
Quote from: profitis on March 08, 2015, 04:56:18 AM
they do not and cannot rule out convention.
useless logomachy
Ill stick to Faradays and Platos methodologies, thanks anyway.
We need an experiment that exposes the elusive oscillation in its raw state.the bismuth experiment is the only one that you have provided that can do that.
Quote from: profitis on March 08, 2015, 05:01:47 AM
the bismuth experiment is the only one that you have provided that can do that.
no, its the only one so far that ive mentioned here in this HELL PIT on the internet.
distinction made.
Apophasis:'HELL PIT on the internet'
Its actually a fun-pit if you have a legitimate weapon of mass-destruction :).we need your assistance to further dive into that one experiment that you did provide.not many here have all the necessary ingredients for a replication.will you help us to validate that experiment mr apophasis.
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no, its the only one so far that ive mentioned here in this HELL PIT on the internet.
distinction made.
@TheoriaApophasis,
The best book on Buddhism consists of one long scroll with nothing on it!
Did somebody mention Buddhism?
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 08, 2015, 02:50:13 PM
Did somebody mention Buddhism?
@Tinselkoala,
Haiku by "Matsuo Basho":
The old pond;
the frog.
Plop!
@TheoriaApophasis,
This quote from you serves as conclusive proof that you are a certifiable lunatic:
"[The Divided Line; (Plato's Republic 509d-511e)] You have to imagine, then, that there are two ruling powers, and that one of them is set over the intellectual world (The One and Being-On [Phi]), the other over the visible (the 'shadows', the Mimesis of Nous and that of matter). I do not say heaven, lest you should fancy that I am playing upon the name. May I suppose that you are making this distinction of the visible ([1-Unity, also 1/Phi phenomenally], or Unity-Noetic 'forms', 1/Phi Memesis [shape] and 1/Phi [matter] 'shadow' = The Lesser section) and of the intelligible (The One and Phi [1/phi, 1/phi, and Psyche .381967] = The Greater section) fixed in your mind? I have. Now take a line (Totality, i.e. = 1, also = 4.236067, or 1/.236067 [primordial Dyadism of Unity of the Monad], Pan, Pentagram) which has been cut into two unequal parts (One and Phi ratio), and divide each of them again in the exact same proportion (which gives (1) Phi [1.618033]), (2) One, (3) One, and (4) 1/Phi [.618033]), and suppose the two main divisions, one to the visible (Lesser = Noetic forms [1-Unity], and 'shapes' [1/Phi] and matter-'shadows' [1/Phi]) and the other to the intelligible (Greater = Phi and the One), and then compare the subdivisions in respect of their clearness and want of clearness, and you will find that the first section [#3 and #4] (Noetic forms [1-Unity-1/Phi], mimesis [1/Phi], and matter, 1/Phi [.618033]) in the sphere of the visible consists of (noetic) images (Kosmos Noetos, Nous-Eidos). And by images I mean, in the first place, shadows (shapes-Hyle-matter 1/Phi [.618033]) and in the second place, reflections (noetic reflections-Mimesis, Kosmos Aisthetos), in water and in solid, smooth and polished bodies and the like: Do you understand? Yes, I understand. Imagine, now, the other section [#1 and #2] (The Greater section, Being-Phi [1.618033] and Hen-the Absolute-1), of which this (the lesser section, the Noetic forms and 'shadows and shapes' i.e. matter) is only the resemblance (a mimesis of the 1st hypostasis and Being-On), to include the animals (animate life, all empirically ensouled Being-Zoe-Phi) which we see, and everything that grows or is made. Very good. Would you not admit that both the sections of this division have different degrees of truth (one being the Lesser section, the relative/image/semblance [Noetic forms and 'shapes and shadows' 1/Phi-matter], and the Greater section, the real, the genuine [Phi-Being and the One]), and that the copy (both matter-'shadow', noetic empirical shapes in union with the Psyche = Phi-On-Being, which is an Eikon of the Monad) is to the original (The One), [i.e. that by ratio, Phi is to One as One is to Phi] as the sphere of opinion (doxa, hypothesis [Phi] ratio to Gnosis [1, Nous]) is to the sphere of true knowledge (gnosis)? Most undoubtedly".
Matsuo Basho:
"Go to the pine if you want to learn about pine, or to the bamboo if you want to learn about bamboo. And in doing so, you must leave your subjective preoccupation with yourself."
Quote from: synchro1 on March 08, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
This quote from you serves as conclusive proof that you are a certifiable lunatic:
FIRST, i would have to be convinced you even UNDERSTOOD It (which you dont)
SECOND, id need to see substantiation, WHICH you will never provide.
both are missing , hence your fatal ERR
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 08, 2015, 02:50:13 PM
Did somebody mention that I have nothing intelligent to contribute?
Yes, Ive mentioned that many times. Good luck son.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 08, 2015, 10:03:56 PM
Did someone mention that I am totally full of crap and just make up these stupid theories because I have nothing better to do?
Well, that thought has crossed our minds. Thanks for admitting this.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 08, 2015, 10:32:49 PM
nonsense and blather
I see nothing from yourself son.
A hypotrochoid
cannot be extrapolated ANY OTHER WAY than with a vortex.
Here ended the lesson for you, son. ;D
Quotethat ive mentioned here in this HELL PIT on the internet.
And how full is this pit, and how many jab the wood in its fire?
From the father of quantum theory:
"Instead, we have not only linked at the very outset the concept of causality to the human intellect, specifically to the ability of man to predict an occurrence; but we have been able to carry through the deterministic viewpoint only with the expedient of replacing the directly given
sense world by the
world picture of physics, that is, by a provisional and alterable creation of the human power of imagination."
On this base of reasoning, specific to founders and further to developers of current science or at least a great part of it, was shaped the current reality from each we are part of, and which we continue to shape accordingly. I dare to ask now; who is more lunatic synchro1? Someone who search alternatives because he noticed the errors existing everywhere in the current science, and had the courage to doubt about the thinking of its founders, or someone who blindly and obediently follow a well circulated path by others before him?
QuoteDid somebody mention Buddhism?
I'm not a Buddhist believer but I read this the other day. There was a mummy inside a Buddha statue.
http://www.dogonews.com/2015/2/27/the-mummified-monk-that-rests-inside-an-ancient-buddha-statue
TA, what is happening in the black space?
Why is there such a big black space gap?
How do you know the black space is turning one way or the other?
Does the black space influence the vortex?
If there was no black space in between, there would not be a vortex?
Questions questions. :)
TA, How can you tell if a vortex is exploding or imploding?
And, yes I have an AND, which has greater force....IMPLOSION or EXPLOSION of a vortex?
What I mean is a vortex sucking in things the same vortex as spiting out things? Well if a vortex does both, what keeps a "vortex" balanced?
Also, what do you call that which is a balanced sucking in and spitting out?
Sadang:'or someone who blindly and obediently follow a well circulated path by others before him?'
This is the apophasis way and mechanism.to write a thousand copied lines but no evidence whatsoever. Absolute zero supporting evidence.none whatsoever,zilch,zero.
Sadang:'I dare to ask now; who is more lunatic synchro1? Someone who search alternatives because'
Apophasis is more lunatic because he throw us ONE experiment that MAYBE look good.then he run away after throwing it to us.why he run away after throwing the bismut sadang?why he run away from HIS OWN experiment?
synchro1, knows about big oysters. I'll like to suck on some big oysters in the ocean myself. Just take some salt and some lemons and suck away in my belly....lol.
synchro1, before you respond to me let me tell you that i was influenced to respond to you based on what I read regarding your book "Below that is an image of me with the "Worlds Largest Oyster".
But I find it funny you and TA debating. I'm on more TA's side more though even if he is insulting all over the place, sometimes one just needs to be told to just shut the fuck up. IMO. :)
@profitis
Go back to the lab and find by yourself the evidences you look for. And stop crying here. You act like you're a child whom were taken toys. You merely waste yourself in an misleading attempt perhaps. Learn to think by yourself and manifest accordingly.
Sadang:'And stop crying here. You act like you're a child whom were taken toys.'
I've got a right to cry sadang.my toys was shoved under my nose by apophasis then ripped away faster than you can flick flies off a shit.this is child abuse
Quote from: joel321 on March 09, 2015, 02:11:48 AM
TA, what is happening in the black space?
its a RING magnet, thats the ring blocking out everything
Quote from: sadang on March 09, 2015, 12:44:29 AM
given sense world by the world picture of physics
LOL who would bother talking like this?
Quote
On this base of reasoning, specific to founders and further to developers of current science or at least a great part of it, was shaped the current reality from each we are part of, and which we continue to shape accordingly. I dare to ask now; who is more lunatic synchro1? Someone who search alternatives because he noticed the errors existing everywhere in the current science, and had the courage to doubt about the thinking of its founders, or someone who blindly and obediently follow a well circulated path by others before him?
Which errors?
@sarkeizen
QuoteLOL who would bother talking like this?
As I said, the father of quantum physics, namely Max Planck in his Scientific Autobiography, 1950, page 144. More than that at page 136 he said: "Nevertheless, even a cursory glance shows how far the world picture of quantum mechanics has shifted from the sense world, and how much more difficult it in to translate an occurrence from the world picture of quantum mechanics into the sense world or vice versa than was the case in classical physics." Of course, this paragraph is somehow taken out of context, but its esence is the same as in the previous. And there are many other aspects like this which are exposed in his autobiography.
QuoteWhich errors?
This question is at least ridiculous, or it denote something more serious. You already emphasized the answer in your first quotes, and if you don't have the ability to sense which are the errors, I'm no longer surprised to see your behavior and way of thinking.
Quote from: sadang on March 09, 2015, 12:44:29 AMSomeone who search alternatives because he noticed the errors existing everywhere in the current science, and had the courage to doubt about the thinking of its founders, or someone who blindly and obediently follow a well circulated path by others before him?
This forum is full, if not most of guys who fall under above description. And all those guys seem being lunatics or at best they look ridiculous if their testing methods are incomplete and/or not adequate. And in this case any attempt of a discussion is ineffective. Is there possible a discussion if the one who has the courage, is absolutely sure that ONLY he is right and everything else is wrong? A person who does not mean to discuss his work(s) should not enter forums; a forum is a site for discussion.
PS
@sadang,
If you want to remain friendly relations to TA, you should not cite theoretical science guys, including Quantum Mechanics guys.
Quote from: sadang on March 09, 2015, 10:44:06 AM
This question is at least ridiculous, or it denote something more serious. You already emphasized the answer in your first quotes, and if you don't have the ability to sense which are the errors, I'm no longer surprised to see your behavior and way of thinking.
In other words you don't know. You know can just say that right? When you get around to spending time with really intelligent folk you'll realize that quite a number of them, don't care about not knowing something.
So next time instead of trying to avoid the question or denigrate someone for asking - all seem to be pretty plainly about keeping yourself from feeling ignorant - you'll just say "I don't know".
@Qwert
No, this is just your own malicious interpretation of their behavior, when you make them lunatics. Each one is here on this forum to search answers according to their level of understanding. You are not smarter than other, only believe you are. Each individual has something to say, and form each is something to learn. And as history already shown us, the real discoveries are made exactly by people that don't obey the scientific mainstream rules.
But when someone is from the beginning ridiculed, soiled, smeared in all forms by various individuals through their own arrogance and limited views, how could a mere man react? According to his own temperament, leaves forum or reply to challenges with the same currency. Who benefits from this? Nobody!
And to not forget this is a forum about overunity, a place where until now and according to my knowledge no one have a monopoly. And also this is a topic about magnetic vortex, not about the current orthodox magnetism. That's the topic which should be discussed and practice here. And I emphasize, discusses and practice about vortex magnetism.
PS
If I'd used quotes from Wilhelm Reich or T.J.J. See or other unaccepted scientist which would have been your innocent comment? Read the autobiographic work of Max Plank first and after that maybe will understand my "friendly relation with TA".
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@ sarkeizen
I gave you all info required to make your homework. Why do you think I made that quote from Max Plank, just for funny? No, it was just a polite invitation to study his own words about the errors existent in the world of quantum mechanics. Now, you thought my intention was to denigrate you, but this is your own wrong interpretation. My intent was to make you think and go study for yourself what he said and wanted to say. My intent was to invite you to not believe what I shown you, but instead to make your own homework, and draw your own conclusions. Now, waiting on me to expose aspects that became easy accessible are not beneficial to you or me.
The game of consecutive asking is just a child game, and do not denote too much intelligence. Pay attention next time: All questions have to be rhetorical! A totally different meaning for the current way of asking, involving personal study not waiting subjective responses. I'm sick of "who is smarter" game and contradictory discussions, when they should be only complementary!
Sadang:'The game of consecutive asking is just a child game, and do not
denote too much intelligence.'
Apophasis will get a childish response to a childish game.
Sadang:' I'm sick of "who is smarter" game and
contradictory discussions, when they should be only
complentary!'
How can we be complimentary to someone who lays down the new law then withdraws his reasoning? This thread is descending into a psychological madness that not even carl jung could hope to interpretate
Quote from: sadang on March 09, 2015, 01:16:28 PM
I gave you all info required to make your homework.
In other words - you don't know. It's interesting how often this dodge comes up here. Why is it so hard for you to admit? There's a story about Feynman participating in an interdisciplinary conference they had a court reporter writing down what the various experts said. At some point after a panel discussion the reporter asks him what he does for a living. He says: "I'm a professor of physics, science" and the reporter replies "Oh that explains it. Every time one of those other guys talks I have no idea what they are saying. Every time you speak I know exactly what you are saying."
See, when you want to pretend that there's some great mystery or that people have to do a bunch of work - just so you can answer a rather fundamental framing question - then you are really telling people "I have no idea what I'm talking about" or "I understand this subject very, very, very, very poorly". If you were asking a clear, unambiguous question about my field. I'd have no trouble answering you clearly. Why? Because I know my shit and you don't.
So please stop dodging the question. What errors in current physical theory are you personally talking about here?
Quote from: sadang on March 09, 2015, 01:16:28 PM
But when someone is from the beginning ridiculed, soiled, smeared in all forms by various individuals through their own arrogance and limited views, how could a mere man react? According to his own temperament, leaves forum or reply to challenges with the same currency. Who benefits from this? Nobody!
@sadang,
Are you drunk, or only sick, sadang? Have you seen/read this guy's so-called book "Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism"? There you'll find the author's examples how to effectively ridicule others. And whom he ridicules there? Such one like him, "the one with courage" of different thinking.
Quote from: sadang on March 09, 2015, 12:44:29 AM
And how full is this pit, and how many jab the wood in its fire?
From the father of quantum theory:
"Instead, we have not only linked at the very outset the concept of causality to the human intellect, specifically to the ability of man to predict an occurrence; but we have been able to carry through the deterministic viewpoint only with the expedient of replacing the directly given sense world by the world picture of physics, that is, by a provisional and alterable creation of the human power of imagination."
On this base of reasoning, specific to founders and further to developers of current science or at least a great part of it, was shaped the current reality from each we are part of, and which we continue to shape accordingly. I dare to ask now; who is more lunatic synchro1? Someone who search alternatives because he noticed the errors existing everywhere in the current science, and had the courage to doubt about the thinking of its founders, or someone who blindly and obediently follow a well circulated path by others before him?
Anyone who maintains that numbers have religious significance is
"Barmy". Like the Pythagorean theorem is the "Holy Trinity" etc! Projecting spiritual meaning onto pure mathematical abstractions amounts to the rantings of an unsound mind! Couple that with persistent, acerbic, condescending abuse, and it's time to drop the net.
Quote from: sadang on March 09, 2015, 10:44:06 AM
As I said, the father of quantum physics,
the ENTIRE premise of quantum and Einsteins pubic-hair ponderings are that that
"mother nature" is an INSANE CRACK WH0REits just that simple. ;D ;D ;D
Tesla didnt "buy" it
O. Heaviside didnt "buy" it
Eric Dollard doesnt "buy" it
and i sure the FUCK dont buy it. ;D
Just going through this thread because I'm bored...
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 12:26:10 AM
Thats a bandwaggon fallacy.
Not really.
A bandwaggon fallacy -
argumentum ad populum - is an appeal to an idea being popular among ordinary people is in and of itself indicative of it's truth. Asking for a modern reference doesn't necessitate that.
Advice I give lots of armchair logicians like yourself.
i) You should always be able to show your work. If all you can do is label something a "argumentum ad verecundiam" but can't break the contested statement down into a syllogism showing it. Then you probably have a pretty weak case.
ii) Fallacies are not rebuttals or disproofs. Many popular things are true, many new things are better than old things and many states have sequelae . So a fallacious argument means the argument is invalid not that something is untrue.
iii) Fallacies often have assumptions behind them it isn't unreasonable to expect, in some circumstances for popular assertions to usually or always to be true.
iv) Fallacies often apply more weakly to probabilistic arguments than formal arguments. So while absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Absence of evidence can and does imply a lower LIKELIHOOD of being correct.
v) Ordinary speech doesn't always differentiate between "mostly" and "always and forever" very well. So iv) applies more often than you think.
Quote from: Qwert on March 09, 2015, 02:02:47 PM
@sadang,
Are you drunk, or only sick, sadang? Have you seen/read this guy's so-called book "Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism"? There you'll find the author's examples how to effectively ridicule others. And whom he ridicules there? Such one like him, "the one with courage" of different thinking.
those that TALK, and those that DO
As for the book, it only ridicules the insanity of Einstein and of GR and QM
However AS PER said ridicule in said work, it comprises LESS than 2% of the entire book.
Ergo, your premise is pure bullshit that its a "book of ridicule" ;D
The Greeks said "the fool cuts himself with his own tongue"
I forward that warped space bullshit and the INSANITY of GR and QM came first, ala
SELF-ridicule.
wise up, son.
"Nothing is more fantastical and a travesty of how nature works than is quantum theory. Its very basis has no relationship to reality."
– W. Russell"Where common sense and intuition failed, we (the insane relativists) had to create a new form of intuition based upon abstract
(unreal) mathematics. When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense."
------Leonard Susskind, professor theoretical physics, and priest of the cult of QuantumQuantum insanity: "Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real."
– N. Bohr
Quantum insanity: "The more you see how strange nature behaves, the harder it is for us to make a model that explains even the how
the most simple phenomena works. Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit."
– R. Feynman
ALL OF QUANTUM is built upon "VIRTUAL PARTICLES"............and what do they say these (bullshit) "Virtual particles" ARE?????
"A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out"
IF you DONT think that is 100% FUCKING INSANE, then you need to check yourself into a clinic. ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 09, 2015, 04:19:52 PM
those that TALK, and those that DO
You sure talk a lot. :)
Quote"The more you see how strange nature behaves, the harder it is for us to make a model that explains even the how
the most simple phenomena works. Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit." – R. Feynman
Yawn. This is a quote from QED. The context IMHO is that it's easy to be required to explain the mechanism of ordinary every day events which is beyond the scope of determinism. In other words you can no longer use metaphors like gears or ping-pong balls to create a model which accounts for all known actions. So physics opts for a functional model - math that describes how things behave.
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant
Quote
Planck discovered that physical action could not take on an arbitrary value.
Instead, the action must be some multiple of a very small quantity
(later to be named the "quantum of action" and now called Planck constant).
This inherent granularity is counterintuitive in the everyday world,
where it is possible to "make things a little bit hotter" or "move things a little bit faster".
This is because the quanta of action are very, very small in comparison to everyday
macroscopic human experience. Hence, the granularity of nature appears smooth to us.
Thus, on the macroscopic scale, quantum mechanics and classical physics converge at
the classical limit. Nevertheless, it is impossible, as Planck discovered, to explain some
phenomena without accepting the fact that action is quantized. In many cases, such
as for monochromatic light or for atoms, this quantum of action also implies that only
certain energy levels are allowed, and values in between are forbidden.[3] In 1923,
Louis de Broglie generalized the Planck–Einstein relation by postulating that the Planck
constant represents the proportionality between the momentum and the quantum
wavelength of not just the photon, but the quantum wavelength of any particle.
This was confirmed by experiments soon afterwards.
Using this, Einstein was able to explain the photelectric effect, which classical physics
could not (and TA's explanation does not).
Quantum mechanics has been tested (and used) for over a hundred years since,
and continues to work very well for predicting the outcome of experiments and
allowing for technological innovation.
If one could prove that a "quanta" is not necessary to cause action at the very small
scales that quantum mechanics deals with, but instead, that nature is actually linear
and smooth and can be "budged" in any arbitrarily small amount desired, quantum
mechanics would disappear overnight. Unfortunately (or fortunately), all attempts
to disprove quantum mechanics have, to date, failed.
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 09, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
v) Ordinary speech doesn't always differentiate between "mostly" and "always and forever" very well. So iv) applies more often than you think.
yours being the strawman fallacy
You have NOTHING whatsoever to contribute on the topic of this thread. I dont give a DAMN what you think of me.
Get on topic, or get lost somewhere dark.
Have something logical or intelligent to say on FIELD THEORY or magnetism? FINE
otherwise go jump in a dark hole.
Quote from: picowatt on March 09, 2015, 05:08:18 PM
Using this, Einstein was able to explain the photelectric effect,
dead wrong idiot. Einstein got REPRODUCABLE QUANTITATIVE results,
his explanation for WHY is 100% wrong. Of this there is NO DOUBT.
Like a common IDIOT, you confuse DESCRIBE (accurately, and reproduce same) with an (accurate) EXPLANATION
The erroneous Einstein mental failure as currently thought of as a "wave packet" is in fact a dielectric pulse in the radial center of EM
propagation. This pulse is proportional to the frequency, the intensity of the EM being emitted as the Z-axis radial-dielectric (wrongly
called photo-electric) charges indicate from experimentation. The Quantum notion of a "wave packet" and the 'photon' do not exist in
the electromagnetic-dielectric model of the EM spectrum. They are phantom misunderstandings of electrodynamics, dielectric
capacitance and reciprocating mutual conjugation by and thru magneto-spatial and dielectric-counterspatial co-axial energy
formations.
The test and results of the photoelectric experiment are, of course, completely accurate and valid,The explanation however (where myopic pseudo-science fails typically) is a pure insane fantasy, both illogical, irrational, absurd, and purely the insane conclusion of
Einstein's idiocy and his atomistic proclivities. Einstein had absolute NO training or study in electrical theory ala Tesla, Faraday,
Maxwell and others. His only acclaim, his Nobel Prize for the photoelectric effect (not its results, but its explanation!) is a complete
lie, fabrication and utter farce in the extreme.
Insanity defined in pure rarefied form: "Photons have no mass, but they have momentum and they have an energy". A massless
mass/particle is an absurd premise in the extreme, in defining the so-called photon, which in reality is a radial dielectric Z-axis
component of the so-called "electromagnetism".
It has inertia (not momentum, which is applicable to mass/matter), it of course has
energy and is the only component of light that is the source for the energy of both its discharge as magnetism, and its magnetodielectric
mirror in transverse composition as electricity in the dielectro-electromagnetic true nature of light. This applies to the entire
'electromagnetic' spectrum. Light itself (as this work expands in form and editions) cannot exist without a Z-axis radial dielectric
component, absolutely no different than the coaxial cable.
Note Einstein's theories about massive objects bending light were verified. There are gravitational lenses all over the sky that confirm this.
Also Kenny, Picowatt is a "doer" and has had a long career in technology. That's why when he discusses electronics and many other things he can spin circles around you with his eyes closed. You are definitely accusing the wrong person about not being a "doer."
This entire thread is one big holy swiss cheese that can barely stand up because it's 99% empty space and 1% content. The real people have been blowing big gaping holes in Kenny's cheese to the point there is almost nothing left.
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_575.html (http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_575.html)
http://www.dailypaul.com/334775/gravitational-lensing-creates-einsteins-cross-of-distant-supernova (http://www.dailypaul.com/334775/gravitational-lensing-creates-einsteins-cross-of-distant-supernova)
Quote from: picowatt on March 09, 2015, 05:08:18 PM
Quantum mechanics has been tested (and used) for over a hundred years since,
and continues to work very well for predicting the outcome of experiments and
allowing for technological innovation.
THIS IS why youre a brain dead asshole who CANNOT THINK ;D
let me educate you, moron.
let me tell you a story about
VERY ACCURATE observationsVS. EXPLANATIONS
See, these old guys we call the ANCIENT EGYPTIANS were goddamn A#1 masters of tracking the stars, planetary movements......etc etc.
to a level that even TODAYS scientists admit was nothing short of incredible.
VERY VERY ACCURATE..........exactly along the lines for your "work very well for predicting the outcomes" !!!.......
HOWEVER.........their EXPLANATIONS that these things were caused by GOD X , and GOD Y etc etc
Wake up you brain dead FOOL, Einstein's BULLSHIT explanation for the photoelectric effect, ala "bouncing" electrons is nothing more than a modern day BULLSHIT version of "its being caused by the GOD ANUBIS"
Damn, youre an idiot !!!! ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on March 09, 2015, 05:34:21 PM
Note Einstein's theories about massive objects bending light were verified. There are gravitational lenses all over the sky that confirm this.
thanks for giving me the INTRO to CRUCIFY your ass ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know FAR MORE about "gravitational lensing" that you do MORON
Its a dielectric warping of LIGHT,
100% NO DIFF than the FARADAY EFFECT due to light being BENT by ENORMOUS masses. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on March 09, 2015, 05:34:21 PM
Einstein's theories..............There are gravitational lenses all over the sky that confirm this.
No asshole...........
There are gravitational lenses all over the sky that confirm TESLA's premise
and Faradays EFFECT
and MY PREMISE
Idiot, what the FUCK do you think is WARPING light under a ferrocell?
MAGNETISM
Light has transverse EM components, and a Z AXIS radial dielectric PULSE,
Large masses warp light along its Z axis
MAGNETISM warps light (FARADAY EFFECT) along its TRANSVERSE components!!!
You walked right into a goddamn BEAR TRAP ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
From New York Times April 8, 1934 Section X, p. 9
Tesla sees evidence radio and light are sound (-like)
*I only recently discovered this passage (post 3rd edition of this book) below from Tesla, which in conclusion, is support for my discovery that light's missing secret that it is not transverse electromagnetism, NOR could it 'self-propagating' EM; this is impossible. Light has, necessitatively, a radial dielectric component. Parenthesis are mine.
"There is something frightening about the universe when we consider that only our senses of sound and sight make it beautiful. The universe is darker than the darkest ink, colder than the coldest ice and more silent than a silent tomb. Sight and sound are our only avenues through which we can perceive it all...there is a third sense which have failed to discover."
"The fascination of the (false) electromagnetic theory of light, advanced by Maxwell and subsequently experimentally investigated by Hertz, was so great that even now, although controverted, the (idiot) scientific minds are under its sway. This theory supposed the existence of a medium which was solid yet permitted bodies to pass through it without resistance; (this absurdity is) tenuous behind conception, and yet according to out conceptions of mechanical principles and ages of experience, such a medium was absolutely impossible. Light was (wrongly) considered such a phenomena bound up in that kind of medium, namely transmitting transverse vibrations like a solid."
"What then can light be if NOT a transverse vibration(s)? I consider this extremely important. Light cannot be anything but a longitudinal (Z-axis radial!) disturbance in the Ether, involving alternate compressions and rarefactions. Light can be nothing else (phenomenally so) than a sound wave in the Ether."
"This appears clearly, if it is first realized that there is no Maxwellian Ether, therefore there can be no transverse oscillation in the medium. The Newtonian theory is in error, because it fails entirely in not being able to explain how a small candle can project (light) with the same speed at the blazing sun, which has immensely higher temperatures (and power). We have made sure by experiment that light propagates with the same velocity irrespective of the character of the source! Such consistency of velocity can only be explained by assuming that it is dependent solely on the 'physical' properties of the (Ether) medium, especially its density and its elastic (potential of) force." – Nikola Tesla
thanks for giving me the INTRO to crucify you !!! ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on March 09, 2015, 05:34:21 PM
Einstein's theories..............
Einstein's theories.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ARE STILL FUCKING THEORIES
and accurate OBSERVATIONS dont have SHIT to with with ACCURATE EXPLANATIONS
TA,
So, are you saying that quantum mechanics is nonsense, and, therefore,
that Nature is instead smooth and linear, able to be "budged" in any arbitrarily
small amount desired?
Your "more pulses equals more power" explanation of the photoelectric
effect (as in one of your videos) is reminiscent of pre-1900 classical mechanics,
which fell short of providing an explanation (mathematically) of the observations made via experimentation.
The application of quantum mechanics to the photoelectric effect allowed for the
derivation of mathematical models that describe and predict the photoelectric effect with great
accuracy and are still in use today.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 09, 2015, 04:19:52 PM
...those that TALK, and those that DO...
...IF you DONT think that is 100% FUCKING INSANE, then you need to check yourself into a clinic. ;D
1: I don't need to be a baker to eat bread.
2: I don't care about your viewpoint; this is about your expression of emotions; IF you
DONT see it like that, then you need to check yourself into a clinic.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 09, 2015, 05:22:18 PM
yours being the strawman fallacy
Sadly no it's not. Strawman fallacy is an attempt to represent your opponent's argument with a different (usually weaker argument). If I was making a strawman fallacy you would be able to show your work. However I can see you're someone who read a web page on the logical fallacies and nothing more.
Clearly I'm giving some general advice. Hence no strawman is necessitated.
So are you going to make be teach you *every* fallacy? :)
QuoteYou have NOTHING whatsoever to contribute on the topic of this thread.
Well you seem to say that one of the fundamental components of your argument is LOGIC. I'm pointing out that you can't even get the informal fallacies right.
QuoteGet on topic, or get lost somewhere dark.
You are the one who started talking about logic. If you didn't start using the informal fallacies I'd have little to say here. However you did and so I killed your argument. :)
Now if you promise never ever to attempt to pretend you know how to use those things. I'll leave you alone. Deal?
QuoteHave something logical or intelligent to say
Sorry. As you are someone who can't use the fallacies properly I'm afraid I'm going to have to take away your licence that allowed you to use the term "logical". Don't worry you can re-take the test in 60 days. :)
Quote from: picowatt on March 09, 2015, 06:09:47 PM
that Nature is instead smooth and linear, able to be "budged" in any arbitrarily
small amount desired?
ive always said the OPPOSITE
There isnt a SINGLE straight line in the cosmos.
Quote from: picowatt on March 09, 2015, 06:09:47 PM
The application of quantum mechanics to the photoelectric effect allowed for the
derivation of mathematical models that describe and predict the photoelectric effect with great
accuracy and are still in use today.
WRONG, the application of accurate QUANTIFIED EFFECTS from observations allows for the derivation of working empirical models.
Quote from: picowatt on March 09, 2015, 06:09:47 PM
Your "more pulses equals more power" explanation of the photoelectric
effect (as in one of your videos) is reminiscent of pre-1900 classical mechanics,
Nothing in classical F.T. mechanics has posited what i did.
The term "reminiscent" you used is just vague bullshit.
thats like saying "CHEAP $5 wine is
reminiscent of $10,000 1924 Italian Merlot"
Quote from: picowatt on March 09, 2015, 06:09:47 PM
models that describe and predict the photoelectric effect with great
accuracy and are still in use today.
You just HUNG YOUR OWN ASS dummy ;D ;D ;D ;D
LEARN these two words idiot
DESCRIBE
and .
EXPLAIN (accurately)You HONESTLY did just prove that you really ARE THAT DENSE (=stupid)
TA,
By the by, the Faraday effect, or Faraday rotation, is the rotation of the plane
of polarization of light propagating thru a media in the presence of an applied magnetic field.
I would not say that means a "magnetic field warps light".
Quote from: picowatt on March 09, 2015, 06:44:26 PM
TA,
By the by, the Faraday effect, or Faraday rotation, is the rotation of the plane
of polarization of light propagating thru a media in the presence of an applied magnetic field.
I would not say that means a "magnetic field warps light".
sorry, dummy,
in fact magnetism DOES warp light.
Likewise Timms 2 inventions, BOTH PATENTED are BASED UPON SAME ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
rotating?????? What the goddamn hell did you THINK reciprocating magnetic fields were DOING if not rotating ?????????????????
OMFG :o :o :o
see magnetism warp light:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMssut5ik9A
Quote from: Qwert on March 09, 2015, 06:19:12 PM
1: I don't need to be a baker to eat bread.
I can also see you as a member of a JIM JONES like cult.
Youre a sheep, as a person.
Likewise a BREAD EATER has nothing intelligent to say on the makings of or COMPONENTS of BREAD
So, thanks for setting that one up !!! ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 09, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
ive always said the OPPOSITE
There isnt a SINGLE straight line in the cosmos.
WRONG, the application of accurate QUANTIFIED EFFECTS from observations allows for the derivation of working empirical models.
Great! So you do agree with all that "quantum bullshit" as you have called it.
Quote
Nothing in classical F.T. mechanics has posited what i did.
The term "reminiscent" you used is just vague bullshit.
thats like saying "CHEAP $5 wine is reminiscent of $10,000 1924 Italian Merlot"
You just HUNG YOUR OWN ASS dummy ;D ;D ;D ;D
LEARN these two words idiot
DESCRIBE
and .
EXPLAIN (accurately)
You HONESTLY did just prove that you really ARE THAT DENSE (=stupid)
Then, to be less kind, I will state that the "more pulses equals more power" explanation you gave in one of your videos is EXACTLY like classical mechanics, which fell short of mathematically describing and predicting the photoelectric effect.
Apophasis:'You HONESTLY did just prove that you really ARE THAT DENSE (=stupid'
I don't think so.you have not yet proved any of your theories on magnetism beyond a doubt.you say there's oscillation.we say no no sir there is no oscillation.
Apophasis:'in fact magnetism DOES warp light.'
Meaning? This is different to conventional science?how is it different.
Apophasis:'Likewise Timms 2 inventions, BOTH PATENTED are BASED UPON SAME ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D'
And these inventions prove? Prove what?what do they prove
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 09, 2015, 06:47:40 PM
see magnetism warp light:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMssut5ik9A
What I see is the modification of the path of a projected light source as it passes thru a medium consisting
of magneto responsive particles suspended in a fluid layer to which a modulated magnetic field is being applied.
I do not see magnetism warping light.
Magnetism is being used to modify/control a medium thru which the light is projected.
Apophasis:'WRONG, the application of accurate QUANTIFIED EFFECTS from observations allows for the derivation of working empirical models.'
No kidding.and..you're asking us to derive models from imagining stuff as opposed to visibly seeing their QUANTIFIED EFFECTS?
Quote from: picowatt on March 09, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
Great! So you do agree with all that "quantum bullshit" as you have called it.
I said no such BS, implied or otherwise.
nice try.
Then, to be less kind, I will state that the "more pulses equals more power" explanation you gave in one of your videos is EXACTLY like classical mechanics, which fell short of mathematically describing and predicting the photoelectric effect.
[/quote]
I love your claims without substantiation.
"wave particle duality (=BS)" EXPLAINS NOTHING.
its not even an accurate DESCRIPTION.
Quote from: picowatt on March 09, 2015, 07:26:38 PM
What I see is the modification of the path of a projected light source as it passes thru a medium consisting
of magneto responsive particles suspended in a fluid layer to which a modulated magnetic field is being applied.
You fucking IDIOT, you can bend LIGHT WITHOUT any medium ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: picowatt on March 09, 2015, 07:26:38 PM
Magnetism is being used to modify/control a medium thru which the light is projected.
Sorry, your pathetic premise is contradicted.
NO MEDIUM is required to bend light with magnetism. ;D ;D
Well then, it should be trivial for you to reproduce the effect in that video without the ferrocell...
Quote from: profitis on March 09, 2015, 07:31:25 PM
No kidding.and..you're asking us to derive models from imagining stuff as opposed to visibly seeing their QUANTIFIED EFFECTS?
observed EFFECTS are one thing asshole, EXPLANATIONS are another
still havent learned that yet i see
Quote from: profitis on March 09, 2015, 07:31:25 PM
No kidding.and..you're asking us to derive models from imagining stuff
IMAGINED STUFF is the basis of 100% of GR and QM
"Virtual particles" ;D ;D
GR and QM say-------
"A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out".
That, my dear asshole, is your "IMAGINED STUFF"
Quote from: picowatt on March 09, 2015, 08:02:12 PM
Well then, it should be trivial for you to reproduce the effect in that video without the ferrocell...
grab and electromagnet and a LASER and reproduce it YOURSELF
shitforbrains ;D ;D
No, that is merely what YOU think is my "imagined stuff".
Quote from: profitis on March 09, 2015, 06:51:49 PM
you say there's oscillation.we say no no sir there is no oscillation.
"you say there's oscillation"
I say NOTHING, its there , if you have EYES, you can see it
, if youre a BLIND KUNT ,.........maybe you cant ;D ;D ;D ;D
Youre nothing but a fucking idiot ;D
Quote from: profitis on March 09, 2015, 06:51:49 PM
\.you have not yet proved any of your theories
100% of relativity is STILL A FUCKING THEORY
and its MORE disproved today (regardless of myself) than it was a mere 20 years ago.
"Grab and electromagnet and a LASER and reproduce it"; Same as Jerry's Tornado theory:
Tornado Theory: "The electron interacts with the stationary magnetic field".
Synchro1:'Tornado Theory: "The electron interacts with the stationary magnetic field".'
I concur mr synchro.apophasis has proved that the magnetic field is DEAD STATIONARY.just as the gravitational field is dead stationary. A trillion tons of rock sitting dead-still in space will exert a dead-still gravity-field.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 09, 2015, 05:42:04 PM
THIS IS why I'm a brain dead[/b] asshole who CANNOT THINK
I agree.
QuoteVERY VERY ACCURATE..........exactly along the lines for your "work very well for predicting the outcomes" !!!.......
HOWEVER.........their EXPLANATIONS that these things were caused by GOD X , and GOD Y etc etc
Assuming for the moment all your fanfare about the Egyptians is true. You're kind of missing the point. Predictive success is a way of evaluating an explanation. It answers the question: "Why isn't Ra moves the sun" as good an explanation as "Gravity moves the sun"?
Apophasis:'100% of relativity is STILL A FUCKING THEORY'
And 101% of everything you said in this thread is utter bullshit correct?
Apophasis:'observed EFFECTS are one thing asshole, EXPLANATIONS are another'
Supported explanations yes.unsupported ones no
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 09, 2015, 06:49:22 PM
I can also see you as a member of a JIM JONES like cult.
Youre a sheep, as a person.
Likewise a BREAD EATER has nothing intelligent to say on the makings of or COMPONENTS of BREAD
So, thanks for setting that one up !!! ;D ;D
You certainly don't know what I mean: I also (and you too) do not need to make cars to drive them,
or make homes to live in. Also, I don't need to make tests to make discussions here, since
my entries are on basis of your inconsistency, not your scientific knowledge.
Apophasis:'IMAGINED STUFF is the basis of 100% of GR and QM
'
No less your stuff correct?
"There is no magnetic Vortex." Albert Einstein 1932.
"I agree with Einstein" Nicola Tesla 1933.
So, there you have it.
Bill
Qwert:'Also, I don't need to make tests to make discussions here, since
my entries are on basis of your inconsistency, not your scientific knowledge.'
We can slaughter his entire theory very easily thus: we take a trillion ton cigar and shove it in outer space..now the gravitational field will look more-or-less identical to a magnetic field,greater forces horizontally than vertically.imaginea dust cloud is our iron filings and the cigar our magnet,the pattern will look similar.if such a dead-stationary gravity field can exist then why not a stationary magnetic field.this screws his theory of oscillatio which requires reciprocation forces to explain it
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 09, 2015, 09:12:19 PM
Predictive success is a way of evaluating an explanation.
NO ASSHOLE.
I can say Unicorns make the sun rise at such and such a time, and calculate the time to 1/100000th of a second
doesnt make the explanation ACCURATE ;D
Greek retroductive logic is in order for you.
Quote from: profitis on March 09, 2015, 10:04:41 PM
if such a dead-stationary gravity field can exist
what makes you THINK gravity exists?
There is no AUTONOMOUS Field known as gravityits dielectric counterspatial acceleration. idiots like you cannot think other than in a linear fashion, .......... increasing acceleration = decreasing motion
(Yes, you will never understand that fact) ;D
Apophasis:'what makes you THINK gravity exists? There is no
AUTONOMOUS Field known as gravity
its bla bla bla'
I'm pretty sure it exists as it lends weight to my point which you not-so-cleverly attempted to dodge.I've got you by the balls now get used to it: a FIELD is spatial gradient of FORCE.a gravity field is STATIONARY and NON-FLUCTUATING.thus any field including a magnetic field need not be oscillatory.as simple as that.magnets have STATIONARY linear FIELDS
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 09, 2015, 10:37:44 PM
NO ASSHOLE.
ROFL. You really are deliberately stupid aren't you? Let's see if we can undo some of the damage you've done to yourself. :)
QuoteUnicorns make the sun rise at such and such a time, and calculate the time to 1/100000th of a second
You realize that what is obvious to everyone else's brain but yours is that the prediction must be derived from the theory right? All you're doing here is
claiming that some undisclosed "unicorn theory of sunrises" happens to predict some particular sunrise. See the difference doofus?
Now please go ahead and fully describe your unicorn theory of sunrises and we'll see if it predicts anything.
Of course you wont - you'll probably just hide behind some abusive non-sequitur. Yawn. Your school failed you rather badly. :)
Its his goal to distance himself from logic and deduction.this way he keeps them suckered (individuals who want to findout more about magnetism and buy books about it)
Quote from: profitis on March 09, 2015, 11:51:53 PM
Its his goal to distance himself from logic and deduction
as a Platonist, and a translator of ancient Greek and a consummate expert in Platonic and Neoplatonic logic, you will NEVER in life run across someone MORE steeped in logical examination than myself.
As such your statement is beyond the pale and "hell and gone" from even the term INSANE. ;D ;D ;D
tell us all about induction vs. deduction, vs abduction vs retroduction
ill sit back and let you dissect it for us / myself ;D ;D
Ill presume your idea of "logical" is Virtual photons and WARPED SPACE ???? :o ;D ;D
space is neither FIELD , nor FORCE
it does nothing
it acts on nothing
it has no properties BY WHICH it can be causative to anything.
Or, years from now, we may determine that "space", when considered at scales well below the classical limit, may actually be the most dense "area" of the universe. In other words, what we call "matter" at the more macro scale, may actually be more so the "void", i.e., less dense, than our present visualization of "space" as a sort of emptiness. As research and experimentation continues, particularly with respect to results obtained with the LHC, and with consideration and investigation of dark matter and dark energy, the concept of "space" being very dense seems less far fetched than it may at first appear.
Exciting times!
For example, from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories
Quote
Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University, had this to say about ether in contemporary theoretical physics:
It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo.
And this little snippet from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle
Quote
Quantum theory is different from classical theory. The difference is in accounting for the inner workings of subatomic processes. Classical physics cannot account for such. It was pointed out by Heisenberg that what "actually" or "really" occurs inside such subatomic processes as collisions is not directly observable and no unique and physically definite visualization is available for it. Quantum mechanics has the specific merit of by-passing speculation about such inner workings. It restricts itself to what is actually observable and detectable.
Bold emphasis mine...
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 02:13:53 AM
consideration and investigation of dark matter and dark energy
CLUE YOU IN
the assholes of GR and QM call these "DARK" because they have NO FUCKING CLUE what it is
..........and they CONFESS THIS FACT OUTRIGHTthat "stuff" ,....................is the ETHER, plane and simple.
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 02:39:45 AM
Quantum mechanics has the specific merit of by-passing speculation about such inner workings. It restricts itself to what is actually observable and detectable.
A BIGGER GODDAMN LIE HAS NEVER EXISTED IN ALL HISTORY
GR and QM are based on:
"virtual particles"............
.which are NOT actually observable and detectable"negative momentum gluons"...........
.which are NOT actually observable and detectable"parallel universe multiverse interactions" ...........
.which are NOT actually observable and detectable"Gravitons"...........
.which are NOT actually observable and detectable"gluons"...........
.which are NOT actually observable and detectable"negative momentum particles"...........
.which are NOT actually observable and detectable"time traveling force particles" ...........
.which are NOT actually observable and detectableand at last.......
"Quantum fluid" (actually, a BS term for THE ETHER!!!!)
;D ;D ;D ;D
QUANTUM is a fucking insanity used by ACADEMIA to fund RESEARCH and GET GRANT $$$$$$..........all for looking for shit EVERYONE with a brain knows DOESNT EXIST
That "stuff" may very well be the aether.
And that is indeed where modern science is, in many ways, once again headed.
However, being full of that "stuff" seems in contradiction to your prior comments regarding "space".
Apophasis:'space is neither FIELD , nor FORCE'
Who said it was? A force that acts over distance x is a field,period.where did you get the idea that I said that space=force?you're trying deliberately to confuse the public it appears
Apophasis:'QUANTUM is a fucking insanity used by ACADEMIA to fund RESEARCH and GET GRANT $$$$$$..........all for looking for shit EVERYONE with a brain knows DOESNT EXIST'
Yet YOU sent US on a wild goose chase around a bismuth ball?? Note the hypochracy
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 02:39:45 AM
The difference is in accounting for the inner workings of subatomic processes. Classical physics cannot account for such
TOTAL fucking bullshit, classical (ad hominem BS) physics CAN and DOES account for it,
WHICH classical asshole? there are 100 diff. varieties and takes of same!
tesla and W. Russel account for it, so does Heaviside and CP Steinmetz.
Mother Nature is NOT an insane crack wh0re. ;D
Quantum not only DOESNT explain anything, it makes things far far WORSE than even the ancient Platonists understood it.
Virtual particles are BS mental inventions used to "make equations balance out"
this is THEIR OWN ADMISSION.
And YOU THINK a "virtual" INVENTION, is anything close to an explanation?
Youre fucking INSANE ;D
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 03:53:25 AM
Apophasis:'QUANTUM is a fucking insanity used by ACADEMIA to fund RESEARCH and GET GRANT $$$$$$..........all for looking for shit EVERYONE with a brain knows DOESNT EXIST'
Yet YOU sent US on a wild goose chase around a bismuth ball?? Note the hypochracy
You see me selling anything as per magnetism, the book, or field theory motherfucker? ;D ;D
You see me asking for GRANT money motherfucker? ;D
You see me asking ANYONE for MONEY to buy or build anything, asshole? ;D
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 03:53:25 AM
Apophasis:'QUANTUM is a fucking insanity used by ACADEMIA to fund RESEARCH and GET GRANT $$$$$$.
Eat shit on your OWN words.... quoting myself about the Cult of Academic Quantum
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 03:53:25 AM
Note the hypochracy
I DO NOTE you cannot spell the word hypocrisy :o ;D ;D
Apophasis:'Ill presume your idea of "logical" is Virtual photons and WARPED SPACE ????'
Profitis' logic: gravity field is perfectly still therefore magnetofield he perfectly still.no vortex.no fancies.
Apophasis logic:the magnetofield must vibrate becoz I say so
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 04:04:09 AM
Profitis' logic: gravity field is perfectly still therefore magnetofield he perfectly still.no vortex.no fancies.
No vortex? A hypotrochoid CANNOT be extrapolated WITHOUT a vortex
NEXT!!!
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 04:04:09 AM
Apophasis logic:the magnetofield must vibrate becoz I say so
Asshole idiot, ......Gyromagnetic precession is a WELL KNOWN entity. ;D ;D
Apophasis:'You see me asking ANYONE for MONEY to buy or build anything, asshole?'
Excuse me? It takes time and money to run after a bismuth ball and infrared camera.you conned us into diving into our wallets over bullshit asswipe.time is money mr hero-to-zero
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 04:09:04 AM
It takes time and money to run after a bismuth ball and infrared camera.
Ohhh i see, .........so your INSANE premise is that i bent someones arm to spend money on experimental equipment......????
Good luck proving THAT giant pile of bullshit. ;D ;D ;D ;D
hilarious !
Oh dear, i almost pissed myself over that one. !
Apophasis:'Gyromagnetic precession is a WELL KNOWN entity. ;D ;D'
Yeaaasssss aaannndd? So what's your point
Apophasis:'Ohhh i see, .........so your INSANE premise is that i bent someones arm to spend money on experimental equipment......????'
You certainly LURED them asshole.baited them with promises of revolution.maybe ramset or tinman had to put money aside from feeding the baby to run after your baitcrap,didja think about that or care about that,no
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 03:45:56 AM
A BIGGER GODDAMN LIE HAS NEVER EXISTED IN ALL HISTORY
No, that is indeed what quantum mechanics is. Mathematical modeling of what is actually observed, and able to be predicted, and then verified in the real world.
All those "virtual" items (particles, etc) and the rest on your list are attempts to go beyond the realm of quantum mechanics to understand the "what" and "why". They are not fundamental to quantum theory. They are brief, mostly mathematical, intermediates between pre and post conditions of a described event. Quantum theory itself ignores those, dealing only with what can be observed and confirmed (i.e., pre and post conditions). Admittedly, when physicists attempt to understand what those brief intermediates might actually be saying about reality, things do get strange.
Imagine you have a pound of TNT and a detonator. You set off the TNT and measure the pressures generated, etc. You don't have a high speed camera, so you can't see what is actually happening at the instant of detonation, but you can see and measure the conditions before and after detonation. From that, you can develop a mathematical model for the detonation of TNT that allows you to determine how much you need for a particular application, without actually knowing "how" it works at the instant of detonation.
Similarly, we cannot, as of yet, actually observe many "particle" (wave function) interactions at the instant of their interaction, only the pre and post conditions. Quantum mechanics deals with mathematically modeling those pre and post observations to a high degree of accuracy. Quantum mechanics and QED has allowed technological development to move forward at astounding rates. As well, experimental precision (and complexity) heretofore unheard of, has been made possible.
Of course science does not have all the answers. Finding those answers is what science is all about. All manner of theories can be put forward, even yours, but only those that have the best fit, predictability and repeatability, determined via carefully performed experimentation and mathematical proof, will actually make the grade.
Scientists don't just burst out in profanities proclaiming this is the way things are, theories are methodically tested and proven before they are accepted.
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 04:21:21 AM
No, that is indeed what quantum mechanics is. Mathematical modeling of what is actually observed, and able to be predicted, and then verified in the real world.
Asshole idiot, a virtual particle has NEITHER been observed, measured, OR QUANTIFIED by anyone on earth.
EVER ;D
THE ASSHOLES IN THEIR OWN WORDS:
"A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out".
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 04:21:21 AM
Quantum theory itself ignores those, dealing only with what can be observed and confirmed (i.e., pre and post conditions). Admittedly, when physicists attempt to understand what those brief intermediates might actually be saying about reality, things do get strange.
Not "STRANGE", moron , NON-EXISTANT
a virtual particle has NEITHER been observed, measured, OR QUANTIFIED by anyone on earth.
EVER ;D
You REALLY ARE that stupid! Im honestly SO SORRY
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 04:21:21 AM
Similarly, we cannot, as of yet, actually observe many "particle" (wave function) interactions at the instant of their interaction, only the pre and post conditions.
Nice contradiction moron!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
TWAS YOU who said----------Quantum theory........., dealing only with what can be
observed and confirmedQuote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 04:21:21 AM
Science doesn't just burst out in profanities claiming this is the way things are, they are methodically proven before they are accepted.
Too bad then idiot,.......... MORONS like you ACCEPT what is 100% UNPROVEN, UNSEEN, UNVERIFIED, and UNTESTED
Not science idiot, PSEUDO-SCIENCE , correction.
No one has ever said a virtual particle "exists". Hence the word "virtual".
Maybe you should try to understand modern science a bit more before you condemn it so profanely.
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 04:37:56 AM
No one has ever said a virtual particle "exists". Hence the word "virtual".
Is that so bitch??? See their OWN WORDS in picture BELOW !!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Gordon Kane, director of the Michigan Center for Theoretical Physics at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, provides this answer.
"Virtual particles are indeed real particles."
hehehheheheehheheheehe!!!!!
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 04:37:56 AM
Maybe you should try to understand modern science a bit more before you condemn it so profanely.
MAYBE YOU SHOULD be sure of something before stating it !!!!!
Gordon Kane, director of the Michigan Center for Theoretical Physics at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, provides this answer.
"Virtual particles are indeed real particles."
Hahahhahaha!!!
Apophasis:'THE ASSHOLES IN THEIR OWN WORDS:
"A virtual particle is an abstraction'
And mr apophasis' elusive vibratio wobblies? Its not an abstraction?
Picowatt:'No one has ever said a virtual particle "exists". Hence the word "virtual".'
He's attempting to put meanings and connotations in our mouths.he's the defacto translator
Apophasis:'Too bad then idiot,.......... MORONS like you ACCEPT what is 100% UNPROVEN, UNSEEN, UNVERIFIED, and UNTESTED'
For example the apophasis-wobbly- boson
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 04:43:44 AM
And mr apophasis' elusive vibratio wobblies? Its not an abstraction?
MILLION $$$$ MRI machines cannot even work without the GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION (larmor frequency)
Go talk to General Electric about it, boy ;D ;D
From the previously quoted wiki:
Quote
Virtual particles are conceptual devices that in a sense try to by-pass Heisenberg's insight, by offering putative or virtual explanatory visualizations for the inner workings of subatomic processes.
Which is inline with much of your previous posts. There are, however, many "theories" out there that predict that for fleeting moments, the wave functions of virtual particles may indeed collapse to form, very briefly, real particles, but as of yet, I do not know of any solid evidence that has been presented to that effect (which is not to say there isn't any, I only follow what i can as time allows). Of course, in that fleeting instant, a virtual particle would no longer be "virtual".
I, for one, however, with my conceptualization of the aether, see no reason that, given the correct conditions, virtual particles cannot, at least briefly, become real particles.
You know, the internet, this forum, and this thread in particular, would not be the "hell pit" you make it if you would address members here with a more respectful tone.
Apophasis:'MILLION $$$$ MRI machines cannot even work without the GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION (larmor frequency)'
Who said they could.where does your boson theory differ from convention.(Again we seek the thin elusive red line,sigh)
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 04:56:51 AM
I, for one, see no reason that, given the correct conditions, virtual particles cannot, at least briefly, become real particles.
Lets REPHRASE that in 100% exactly the SAME level of logic.........
I, for one, see no reason that, given the correct conditions, UNICORNS cannot, at least briefly, become real HORSES
There is not ONE IOTA of diff. between that statement, AND YOURS ;D ;D
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 04:56:51 AM
You know, the internet, this forum, and this thread in particular, would not be the "hell pit" you make it if you would address members here with a more respectful tone.
"respect where respect is due"From all you have said, you are not only not "DUE" any (due to lack of wisdom in the extreme)
but are in fact "IN THE RED" (in negative territory) ;D
As a human and likely a good dad, etc etc etc , Im sure youre a wonderful person (im guessing).
As for the insane BS you state, in propping up the 21st centuries biggest lie passed off as "science", you have no respect due from me.
HOWEVER, im sure you can easily find some HALF-WIT that will GIVE IT TO YOU ;D
here be no half-wit, as such, you deserve none from me.
I respect the PERSON, not the PERSONA (go learn what that means)
Your blather is Persona non grata and extreme Bull-Shat
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 05:01:18 AM
your boson theory
I never mention any such BS
stop drinking and doing drugs.
Apophasis:'I, for one, see no reason that, given the correct conditions, UNICORNS cannot, at least briefly, become real HORSES
There is not ONE IOTA of diff. between that statement, AND YOURS ;D ;D'
what does the unicorn turn into when your not looking negro.you cant prove that it doesn't change into a horse when your not observing.
-- Quote from: profitis on Today at 10:01:18 AM --- your boson theory
--- End quote ---
Apophasis:'I never mention any such BS'
Your magneto-oscillatio has never been observed.sounds like you want to create a new breed of tax-waisters on the state coffers
From TA:
Quote
"respect where respect is due"
Well then, I guess I was just raised to be more polite and considerate of others. Surely, the foul language, insults, and disrespect you reply with warrants absolutely no respect from me towards you.
But still, I manage to keep a "civil tongue"...
As for your Unicorn versus horse analogy, that is totally off the mark.
Science has mostly moved on from the idea that particles are little physical balls of something. Although the word particle (and proton, electron, neutron, quark, etc) has continued to be used, their conceptualizations have changed significantly. They are, for the most part, modeled as wave functions (well, they are still working on modeling a few).
Why is it so difficult, therefore, to believe that something that may only be a wave function cannot be created from a specific set of conditions wherein the proper excitation of the aether causes that wave function to be produced in a given space?
Of course, what those wave functions (virtual or real) are of, or in, remains to be understood, but if that is all a real particle is, why is it so hard to imagine the existence of a virtual, or almost complete, wave function that, through the addition of the proper conditions of phase or frequency (for example), can manifest as a real particle?
Possibly you still cling to the concept of matter being made of little physical balls of something (particles).
I do not...
@ sarkeizen
You still continue the "who's smarter" game. You still continue interpreting in a malicious manner my words, talking only about my words and making abstraction of the Planck's written words, and on the other hand avoiding to express your own words. Who's more evasive here, me who came with Plank's words and my own interpretation or you who avoid to read them at least? "Good" for you! Just continue this way and will remove any trace of doubt about your "smartness"!
Before to learn to win you have to learn to loose!
---
@ Qwert
I read his book and many, many others from alternative science and from current scientific dogma. All these just for funny, or maybe just for understanding?
What stop you to make your own research on the subject of that book and come back with your own words and interpretation of the results? Not just complain here what is described in that book is not according to current scientific dogma! And keep your language in discussions with me in the limits of a common sense dictionary.
After you have read as much as he, probably will notify yourself as broad and deep as he, the ridiculousness of the current science, and perhaps you will feel entitled to behave the same. I reiterate, perhaps but not strict necessarily. Each with his temperament! You only seek to understand the essence, as much as you can and if you can. If not, give ignore and move on on your way.
But I like how the discussion with me give rise to passions. This could also be a way!
Wikipedia:'Virtual particles are conceptual devices that in a sense try to by-pass Heisenberg's insight, by offering putative or virtual explanatory visualizations for the inner workings of subatomic processes.'
And yet mr apophasis' very own boson-theories fall precisely into this category..'elusiveness'..hotair
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 05:34:50 AM
Science has mostly moved on from the idea that particles are little physical balls of something.
Its done NO SUCH BS, its 100% PURE UNCUT GREEK ATOMISM
quasi particles
muons
gluons
negative momentum particles
virtual particles
subatomic particles
electron particles (PURE ABSOLUTE TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!)
SO, total 100% PURE SHIT on that statement of yours !
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 05:34:50 AM
Possibly you still cling to the concept of matter being made of little physical balls of something (particles).
I do not...
I do NO SUCH THING, rather THE OPPOSITEnot only dumb but ALSO DEAF apparently
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 05:56:07 AM
Wikipedia:'Virtual particles are conceptual devices
tell that BS to the "expert" assholes who state::::::
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 05:34:50 AM
Of course, what those wave functions (virtual or real)
even the ancient GREEKS understood this.
and yet your "MODERN" ass does NOT.
a wave is an ATTRIBUTE
a wave is NOT a PROPERTY or a SUBJECT
A wave is what X DOES
A wave is not X
There is GOLD in a GOLDEN LION statues
there is no LION in the GOLD ;D ;D ;D
Its ok,
youre merely the PRODUCT of a FUCKED EDUCATION SYSTEM that NEVER TAUGHT YOU how to THINK
not all the fault lay at your feet ;D ;D ;D
A WAVE is not VIRTUAL OR REAL ;D ;D
A wave is an ATTRIBUTE of a PRIOR PRINCIPLE
"I got hit with a wave !!! It hurt!" :o
No dummy, you got hit with WATER ;D
'Virtual particles are conceptual devices
--- End quote ---
Apophasis:'tell that BS to the "expert" assholes who state::::::
Vre malaka is your boson any LESS CONCEPTUAL.no
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 01:08:59 AM
as a Platonist, and a translator of ancient Greek and a consummate expert in Platonic and Neoplatonic logic, you will NEVER in life run across someone MORE steeped in logical examination than myself.
...who can't apply the logical fallacies correctly.
Notice how you have to pretend you're some kind of expert in order to dismiss other peoples arguments without showing your work. :) This earns the "expert in Platonic and Neoplatonic logic" a D- in logic. :)
Quote from: sadang on March 10, 2015, 05:55:32 AM
You still continue the "who's smarter" game. You still continue interpreting in a malicious manner my words, talking only about my words and making abstraction of the Planck's written words, and on the other hand avoiding to express your own words.
It's not about who's smarter nor am I being malicious I'm just saying this is what you are communicating and it's ok for you to admit that you don't know what you're talking about instead of making up crap to make yourself feel better. :) Again if you asked me a question in my field I'd be able to give you a much better answer than some vague allusions to errors and then when asked to clarify tell them they have to figure out what I meant on their own. By my own metrics I understand a very small portion of my field and therefore by extension you know almost nothing about what you are talking about. :)
QuoteWho's more evasive here, me who
...won't answer an elementary framing question? Yes that wins you some award for avoiding the question.
QuoteBefore to learn to win you have to learn to loose!
...and someone who whines "LOOK AT ALL THE ERRORS IN PHYSICS" and when asked "Oh, where?" avoids the question by saying "Find them for yourself".
Is not someone who has learned to
lose:)
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 10, 2015, 07:56:10 AM
This earns the "expert in Platonic and Neoplatonic logic" a D- in logic.
you and your defective mind are
not the MEASURE or the STANDARD by which anything is judged
Not one damn bit,
son.
Apophasis:'you and your defective mind are not the MEASURE or the STANDARD by which anything is judged'
Likewise speak for yourself correct?
Apophasis:'quasi particles
muons
gluons
negative momentum particles
virtual particles
subatomic particles
electron particles (PURE ABSOLUTE TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!)'
Well whaddaya want us to call these thingys in order to describe em
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 08:34:48 AM
Well whaddaya want us to call these thingys in order to describe em
Theyre field modality attributional expressions,................ and respectively (and incorrectly) quantified as autonomous principles / subjects solely based upon their attributional behaviors.
theyre NOT principles
theyre NOT subjects
Look, theres ICE particles!
Look, theres STEAM particles!
Look, theres LIQUID particles!
Look, theres CRYSTAL particles!
Look, theres a SNOWBALL particle!
No dammit, its all WATER ;D
OooooOOOOooooh, look, theres a swirling liquid vortex (="electron") carrying FORCE and MOTION!!!!!!
No dammit, its still just WATER ;D
Apophasis:' wave is an ATTRIBUTE
a wave is NOT a PROPERTY or a SUBJECT
A wave is what X DOES
A wave is not X'
No shit shirlock.I think every quantum mechanic agrees with this so your point is?
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 08:42:23 AM
No shit shirlock.I think every quantum mechanic agrees with this so your point is?
Suggest you TELL that to a "quantum mechanic" then. .... Test your premise.
Ill lay $1000 down that theyll look at you like you have a DICK growing out of your forehead and roll their eyes. ;D
Apophasis:'theyre NOT principles
theyre NOT subjects'
Then how the fuck are we to make sense of THEM,IT,THINGYS without quantifying behaviourals
Apophasis:'Suggest you TELL that to a "quantum mechanic" then. .... Test your premise.
Ill lay $1000 down that theyll look at you like you have a DICK growing out of your forehead and roll their eyes. ;D'
They will tell me the only thing that is possible to tell: a wave IS a packet of oscillating electromagnetic energy
Kenny:
QuoteEinstein's theories.............. (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=48cd3b652a891d74b4b4ef746db528263b551e0c) (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=48cd3b652a891d74b4b4ef746db528263b551e0c) (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=48cd3b652a891d74b4b4ef746db528263b551e0c) (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=48cd3b652a891d74b4b4ef746db528263b551e0c) ARE STILL FUCKING THEORIES
and accurate OBSERVATIONS dont have SHIT to with with ACCURATE EXPLANATIONS
Well, I am going to ignore your blowhard verbage and stick with Einstein.
Just remember, you are just a big mouth on an obscure nano-alleyway on the Intenet. 200,000 people may download your books but it still doesn't amount to anything of significance in the overall scheme of things. People have done tangible things with Einstein's knowledge and theories. Your "theories" will never amount to anything.
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 08:49:28 AM
THEM,IT,THINGYS without quantifying behaviourals
you dont quantify a QUALITY, or ATTRIBUTE of X
A quantifiable effect (of the attribute of principle of X upon the principle of Y) from an ATTRIBUTE of a prior principle does NOT REIFY said attribute as either Subject OR Principle.
Modern (BS) science has quantified (for example) waves and their resultant effects and ipso facto established attributional expression modalities as Subjects, further subdivided these as autonomous principles, each unique and in standalone reification as named Principles (when of course they are not)
No aspect of ANYTHING
expressly qualified by measure (in any way) in force and motion CAN be denotatively a Subject OR Principle.
Its utterly hilarious that Plato, Plotinus, and Damascius understood this stuff
1800-2400 years ago.......and we dumb "modern" humans have no conception of same in the LEAST
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 08:53:33 AM
a wave IS a packet of oscillating electromagnetic energy
No such thing, said "wave packet" is an EM-dielectric CIRCUIT
just like a coaxial cable
It is 100% impossible for light to be (only) electrical and magnetic. Impossible 100%
Tesla stated this very same thing in other words (his words)
if you want the quote, i can grab it quick.
Apophasis:' EM-dielectric CIRCUIT'
This would fall under the exact same category 'packet' and 'wave' and 'energy' not so?
Quote from: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 08:57:12 AM
Well, I am going to ignore your blowhard verbage and stick with Einstein.
And a pig will stick with his SLOP, youre swine
its the nature of things, I expect no less from you.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 08:57:12 AM
People have done tangible things with Einstein's knowledge and theories. Your "theories" will never amount to anything.
Sorry son, Einstein didnt CREATE anything, youre thinking of Tesla,......
who said Einstein was a "fuzzy haired CRANK"
Your crystal ball(s) are broken,
You are nobody whatsoever, nor anyone to foretell the future, son. ;D
Son, i tell you this honestly, the ONLY thing that would SCARE me from you,........ is if you AGREED with me.
Your dismissal of myself is greater than PRAISE from the wise. Anyone who seeks the approval of a mental PIG, is himself a GIANT FOOL.
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 09:06:18 AM
This would fall under the exact same category 'packet' and 'wave' and 'energy' not so?
A trifold circuit, no diff. than an atom ultimately, however qualitatively very different, but electro-structurally identical.
However, ala GR and QM, the "wave particle duality" is the most insane nonsense every devised. ;D
Mother nature is NOT a "cross-eyed CRACK WH0RE" ......."wave particle duality" my goddamn ass.
Humanity is still in the dark ages scientifically.
EVERY AGE in history , its scientists were SURE they were "on top of everything" ;D
EVERY AGE in history has been proven WRONG
2015 is no DIFFERENT,
and on THAT FACT, ill bet my goddamn LIFE.
Apophasis:'Modern (BS) science has quantified (for example) waves and their resultant effects and ipso facto established attributional expression modalities as Subjects, further subdivided these as autonomous principles, each unique and in standalone reification as named Principles (when of course they are not)'
They have to do this in order to make sense of it all correct?I mean how do you teach the kids of tomorrow with an inverted PERCEPTIONAL of something which you cannot quantify? How are you going to quantify for sake of perception
Mr. "Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields" and you can't even explain why you get a partial reflection when you look at a pane of glass. You couldn't explain why there was a black void with some of your magnet-CRT "experiments." You are still dead wrong when it comes to the bismuth and your IR camera. Your poor buddy Al/Acca does his aquarium bubble experiments and he hasn't the slightest clue about what's going on.
You are totally incapable of admitting when you are wrong. It's like your brain would have a grand mal seizure if you were to admit that you were wrong.
You are a very strange psychological case study indeed.
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
They have to do this (name them) in order to make sense of it all correct?
fine then, NAME them, .... same with snow, steam, ice, water, etc.
just dont then autonomize them as either Principles or standalone Subjects.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 09:23:55 AM
Mr. "Fields Fields Fields Fields Fields"
Absofuckinglutely yes. ALL are fields, and fields are
PARTICLE FREEand that FACT, make Atomists (GR and QM morons) piss their diapers .
.......endlessly.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 09:23:55 AM
You couldn't explain why there was a black void with some of your magnet-CRT "experiments."
wrong,i explained that 100 pages ago.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 09:23:55 AM
You are a very strange psychological case study indeed.
If idiots like you are "NORMAL", its a compliment to call me STRANGE
They said the VERY SAME of Tesla.
If a brain dead TWAT like you is "normal", ;D then I want to be an insane freak from hell.
Apophasis:'Mother nature is NOT a "cross-eyed CRACK WH0RE" ......."wave particle duality" my goddamn ass.'
all matter and waves are the same thing?this what your saying? You want to unify matter and waves? A unified theory?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 08:24:59 AM
you and your defective mind are not the MEASURE or the STANDARD by which anything is judged
...and yet I've shown pretty plainly that you really don't know your shit when it comes to the logical fallacies nor do you seem to have thought much about them. Your entire set of responses to me are a couple of feeble arguments which I crushed and a whole lot of "no it isn't" which according to you....
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 07, 2015, 06:52:53 AM
is neither logic, nor reason, nor substantiation, nor PREMISE to even entertain your pathetic position, which is nothing MORE than a mere denial without corroboration.
and....
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 09, 2015, 04:19:52 PM
The Greeks said "the fool cuts himself with his own tongue"
Just like you did now. :)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 09:10:44 AM
EVERY AGE in history , its scientists were SURE they were "on top of everything"
EVERY AGE in history has been proven WRONG
So very true. From the more ancient beliefs and thru classical mechanics, science has indeed pushed onward. This no doubt applies to what it is you now preach as well.
One thing for certain, the past years with QM and QED have paved the way for significant advances in technology. It's not just about better LED's and solid state lasers, solar panels, higher speed lower noise electronics, faster computers, and improved materials (the list is great), QM and QED has and will allow mankind to develop the technology and build the instrumentation necessary to probe deeper, and with greater resolution, into that which everything is, and allow mankind's understanding to advance to the next level.
One need not look too far to see the extremely complex experiments being performed all over the world using instrumentation (and prediction) made possible via QM and QED.
Even the inventor of the Ferrocell seemingly has no problems with invoking surface plasmons as a possible mechanism involved in its operation (though a more classical approach is likely sufficient).
The LHC will be going back online shortly at almost twice its previous energy levels.
Exciting times...
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 09:43:01 AM
You want to unify matter and waves? A unified theory?
I dont WANT to unify anything
its already UNIFIED , its up to us subhuman knuckle-dragging S-E-X-crazed goddamn APES to
SEE what is ALREADY THEREIve already got a unified theory, and 200+ pages of notes, AND a simplex equation for same i discovered 13 years ago. ;D
That very same equation is TATTOOED forever on my own damn wrist.
Quote from: picowatt on March 10, 2015, 09:47:24 AM
One thing for certain, the past years with QM and QED has paved the way for significant advances in technology.
advanced TECH doesnt have shit to do with ADVANCED comprehension.
Ten billion devices USE or CONTAIN magnets.....
and yet there isnt a single goddamn HAIRLESS APE on this fucking crazy planet that KNOWS ::::---
how a magnet works
what a field is
well, 1 or 2 know. ;D
Apophasis:'its already UNIFIED'
So a matter and a wave is essentially the same thing.correct?
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 10:00:08 AM
So a matter and a wave is essentially the same thing.correct?
matter is a dielectric condensate.
You can see TRILLIONS of TONS of it being created and shot out in GALACTIC JET formations every second.
Matter as (in atomic) denotated "irreducible" particles,
of course does not exist.
a collection of multitudinous various phased wavefronts. YES
a blind fool can get hit with ocean waves and RELATE that hes being hit with OBJECTS
such an analogy is no diff. than current idiot science thinking atomic and subatomic phenomena are "particles", rather than attributional products of prior Principles under force and motion extrapolations.
@ sarkeizen
QuoteBy my own metrics I understand a very small portion of my field and therefore by extension you know almost nothing about what you are talking about.
Yes indeed, by your own metrics and your own extension! That is, by your own appreciation of what I know or not about what I talk. If you consider my statement true, then we talk the same language, otherwise it is just about your "who's smarter" game.
Quote...won't answer an elementary framing question? Yes that wins you some award for avoiding the question.
Why do you insist to hear my answer instead to read the words of Planck? I asked you to tell your opinion about Planck's words? No, I exposed the words of Planck and expressed my opinion about that words. But you still continue to play your game of "who's smarter", and I don't want to play it. Keep doing this, perhaps will win something you lack now. Perhaps!
Quote...and someone who whines "LOOK AT ALL THE ERRORS IN PHYSICS" and when asked "Oh, where?" avoids the question by saying "Find them for yourself".
To be more accurate I said "errors existing everywhere in the current science" not only in physics, errors which exists even if you don't know or don't agree with their existence. A first example can be seen in the words of Planck, that you obstinately refuse to account them. And still have the courage to ask me to show you more! That denote a specific "well" educated and deep implemented kind of mentality, in at least the last about 50 years. I believe the same advice which I gave to synchro1 is available to you also, namely "do appeal to both cerebral hemispheres, that's why you have them".
And finally I can't stop seeing you still avoid talking about the Planck's words and want with any price to hear my answer to your question. The game you play is totally useless. And this game of words ends here for me, regardless of what you think.
Apophasis:'matter is a dielectric condensate.'
Ok I'm with you so far.now the problem of energy.what happens when this condensate collapses from a unstable position to a stable position eg uranium.where is this energy contained,does any condensate get converted directly into energy or is the energy from some binding attraction force between simpler condensates within the unstable condensate.what's your feelings on e=mc2
Quote from: sadang on March 10, 2015, 12:42:56 PM
Yes indeed, by your own metrics and your own extension! That is, by your own appreciation of what I know
No, by how easily it is to make you unable to talk about the subject at hand. You said there are errors. The simple, tiny, most basic question. "Oh, what errors?" launches you into a enormous amount of dodging and smokescreen. Anyone with any expertise in any field should be able to answer that question. Unless you know fuck all about what you're talking about.
QuoteWhy do you insist to hear my answer
Because it was your statement. I wouldn't ask Planck for the same reason I wouldn't ask my dog. Neither of them know you or could answer the question: "What specific errors in science was that moron I was talking to this morning referring to?".
QuoteI exposed the words of Planck and expressed my opinion about that words.
...and part of that opinion that there are errors. I simply asked to which you were referring. If you can't answer that then you might as well not have made the statement. If you don't want to answer that. Then next time simply hold your breath - because you are wasting air. :)
QuoteA first example can be seen in the words of Planck
Then please tell me the example without quoting anyone else verbatim. :)
QuoteAnd still have the courage to ask me to show you more
It's not courage. It's just that if we are going to talk about anything. You and I that is. You need to be able to explain your position. Which means you need to understand it without resorting to quoting someone else. Otherwise any conversation around Planck or anything else would have ended just. like. this. You beating around the bush, pretending you know something and trying hard to paper over your hurt feelings. Please stop wasting your life and learn something well enough that you can discuss it.
QuoteAnd finally I can't stop seeing
I'm sure you can help it however you would need to admit you don't know what you are talking about and that is something you are reluctant to do.
Quotewant with any price to hear my answer to your question.
Only if YOU want to discuss YOUR idea with ME. If not, simply stop talking. :)
QuoteThe game you play is totally useless.
So let's just recount you make some assertions then spend post after post after post hiding from the most simple of all questions. :) I've told you time after time there's nothing wrong with being ignorant of something but no...you can't admit that. I think the only person playing a game here is you.
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 01:08:19 PM
Apophasis:'matter is a dielectric condensate.'
Ok I'm with you so far.now the problem of energy.what happens when this condensate collapses from a unstable position to a stable position eg uranium.where is this energy contained,does any condensate get converted directly into energy or is the energy from some binding attraction force between simpler condensates within the unstable condensate.what's your feelings on e=mc2
its simplex harmonics.
whatever ANYONE thinks of W. Russell.........
he DID create a chart of HARMONICS of atomic structure and
DID PREDICT the existence of (was it 4 or 5???? cant remember) 2 elements and i think 4 or 5 isotopes BEFORE they were discovered in the lab.... based upon his scale of HARMONICS in the elements using his own special chart he thought up .
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 01:08:19 PM
.what's your feelings on e=mc2
Einstein did NOT come up with that, Poincare and R. Boskovich did.
Einstein deserves NO credit for it, none.
Apophasis:'its simplex harmonics.'
In other words element subcondensates with similar vibes tend to gel together in the melting pot.ok.
So poincare gave birth to the relation E=mc2 so you would say that this is a more-or-less accurate mathmatical formula to use in the event of condensate collapse?again, is this energy binding energy amongst the di-electrics or actual conversion of di-electric condensate into heat.in otherwords,can condensate dissapear,vanish.will all the products of fission weigh the same as the original nucleus if all photons,subatomic particles,projectiles and products were contained on a bathroom scale.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 01:19:06 PM
Einstein did NOT come up with that, Poincare and R. Boskovich did.
Einstein deserves NO credit for it, none.
Gibt ein Korper die Energie in Form von Strahlung ab, so verkleinert sich seine masse um L/V^2 - A. Einstein (1908)
Please produce an earlier reference by Poincare or Boskovich.
Quote from: picowatt
...if you would address members here with a more respectful tone.
The Institutional Educational System of The West
has produced
'highly educated morons with impressive
pieces of paper' attesting to their
'education' but
who are unable to actually
think.
Western Educated Experts defend what they have come
to
believe and to
love with extreme tenacity in the
supremacist belief that
'modern science' has provided
all of the answers which matter and all that existed
prior is insignificant.
Theoria Apophasis is
correctly addressing those members
who find themselves
stuck in
supremacist theory and are
hence unable to
think. Or to
see or to
comprehend.
Carry on men. Progress is being made.
Quote from: MilesHigher
Well, I am going to ignore your blowhard verbage and stick with Einstein.
...
Miles,
Please tell us what your attachment to Einstein is.
Surely you must know that he was not at all what
he has been memorialized as being.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on March 10, 2015, 03:14:52 PM
The Institutional Educational System of The West has produced 'highly educated morons with impressive pieces of paper' attesting to their 'education' but who are unable to actually think.
...almost identical to people who teach themselves from natural news and zengardner.com except they lack the piece of paper. :)
Quote from: sadang
@ sarkeizen
Yes indeed, by your own metrics and your own extension! That is, by your own appreciation of what I know or not about what I talk. If you consider my statement true, then we talk the same language, otherwise it is just about your "who's smarter" game.
Why do you insist to hear my answer instead to read the words of Planck? I asked you to tell your opinion about Planck's words? No, I exposed the words of Planck and expressed my opinion about that words. But you still continue to play your game of "who's smarter", and I don't want to play it. Keep doing this, perhaps will win something you lack now. Perhaps!
To be more accurate I said "errors existing everywhere in the current science" not only in physics, errors which exists even if you don't know or don't agree with their existence. A first example can be seen in the words of Planck, that you obstinately refuse to account them. And still have the courage to ask me to show you more! That denote a specific "well" educated and deep implemented kind of mentality, in at least the last about 50 years. I believe the same advice which I gave to synchro1 is available to you also, namely "do appeal to both cerebral hemispheres, that's why you have them".
And finally I can't stop seeing you still avoid talking about the Planck's words and want with any price to hear my answer to your question. The game you play is totally useless. And this game of words ends here for me, regardless of what you think.
Very well said Sadang!
Aye, to the
'one who deems himself extraordinarily
brilliant and clever' it is but just a game.
Sarkey is looking for strokes. Desperately.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 04:34:17 AM
Asshole idiot, a virtual particle has NEITHER been observed, measured, OR QUANTIFIED by anyone on earth.
EVER ;D
That's exactly like your theory: MAGNETIC VORTEX "has NEITHER been observed, measured, OR QUANTIFIED by anyone on earth.
EVER ;D"
Quote from: SeaMonkey on March 10, 2015, 03:43:24 PM
Sarkey is looking for strokes. Desperately.
I score myself a point every time I get on SeaMonkey's nerves enough to force him to use the word "desperate" again. :) Only one in this post though :(
This thread suffers from the "I want to believe it just because it is different or alternative" syndrome. Meanwhile, one can speculate that the half handful of followers of Kenny would probably miserably fail a basic test on theoretical and practical applications of magnetism. It's just like people on these kinds of forums that talk electronics but they cannot define how a circuit works that consists of a single lousy component. Just look at poor ACCA seeing swirling bubbles in his aquarium experiments. He doesn't have the slightest clue what he is looking at and yet he views his "experiments" as an endorsement of Kenny's word salad from hell.
There is no magnetic vortex like Kenny claims. Many of his statements are a nonsensical word salad that only make "sense" to Kenny himself. This whole thread is just an "exercise" akin to lemmings being led around in circles by Our Great Lemming.
It's worth it once in a while to speak out against complete nonsense, like the complete nonsense that you see taking place in this thread.
The blind leading the blind in circles going nowhere. That's the only vortex you will find here.
Some food for thought:
http://history1800s.about.com/od/thegildedage/tp/19thcenturyswindles.htm
The 19th century was marked by a number of notorious swindles, including one involving a fictitious county, one connected to the transcontinental railroad, and a number of bank and stock market frauds.
Poyais, The Bogus Nation
A Scottish adventurer, Gregor MacGregor, perpetrated an almost unbelievable swindle in the early 1800s.
The veteran of the British Navy, who could boast some legitimate battle exploits, turned up in London in 1817 claiming that he had been appointed the leader of a new Central American nation, Poyais.
MacGregor even published an entire book detailing Poyais. People clamored to invest and some even exchanged their money for Poyais dollars and planned to settle in the new nation.
There was just one problem: the country of Poyais did not exist.
Two ships of settlers left Britain for Poyais in the early 1820s, and found nothing but jungle. Some eventually returned to London. MacGregor was never prosecuted, and died in 1845.
Quote from: profitis on March 10, 2015, 01:41:28 PM
Apophasis:'its simplex harmonics.'
In other words element subcondensates with similar vibes tend to gel together in the melting pot.ok.
So poincare gave birth to the relation E=mc2 so you would say that this is a more-or-less accurate mathmatical formula to use in the event of condensate collapse?again, is this energy binding energy amongst the di-electrics or actual conversion of di-electric condensate into heat.in otherwords,can condensate dissapear,vanish.will all the products of fission weigh the same as the original nucleus if all photons,subatomic particles,projectiles and products were contained on a bathroom scale.
its only accurate in the sense of the RATE of induction (C squared) of the MEDIUM
As Tesla ALSO said, there is no such BS as matter to energy, which he was correct.
EVERY SINGLE DAMN BIT of the CORE of a nuclear bomb is STILL PRESENT after the explosion, there is NO SUCH BS as matter to energy BS
What the fuck???????
all that is released is the atomic force and motion of the atoms.
all the matter is STILL PRESENT after the bomb goes off.
its just like taking a trillion trillion trillion (etc etc ) tightly wound pocket watches and shit-smashing them at the same time and BLAM, their springs let loose and PARTS FLY every fucking-where.
Matter to energy nonsense my goddamn ass ;D
its ONLY a release of Atomic STABLE force and motion and letting it LOOSE
The Radio, XRAY and other EM emitted are only likewise FORCE MODALITY releases of the "atomic pocketwatches" letting LOOSE
There is STILL no matter to energy conversion.
The ENERGY BLAST LET LOOSE is 100% from the INHERENT SYSTEM, not the CONSTITUENTS OF THE SYSTEM (the matter)
From Dollard: Finally, it was given through the Faraday - Thompson concepts, that the
mechanical momentum and the electrical momentum are two distinct
forms of energy storage. This obviates any so called "Mass - Energy
Equivalency," no E equals mc squared. It is in reality, not relativity, the
momentum of the electric field itself that grows asymptotically in
magnitude when the physical velocity nears luminal velocity. These ideas
are based upon the very foundation of Electrical Theory. This is shown in
"Electricity and Matter". Albert Einstein ignores these concepts in his
Theory of Relativity, they just do not exist. This is given in "Occult Aether
Physics". Einstein has substituted a form of mysticism to replace logical
reasoning, he is a mystic.
Reviewing the writings of J. J. Thompson, Atomic Science is here seen to
emerge in its infant form. Concepts now considered the realm of Albert
Einstein, in actuality were those of J. J. Thompson. For example, in his book
"Electricity and Matter", the idea of the Planck, a quantity of induction, is
given, quote from page 63;
"The Faraday tubes stretching through the Aether cannot be regarded as
entirely filling it. They are rather to be looked upon as discrete threads
embedded in a continuous Aether, giving to the latter a fibrous structure;
but if this is the case, then on this the view we have taken of a wave of light
the wave itself must have a structure, and the front of the wave, instead of
being, as it were, uniformly illuminated, will be represented by a series of
bright specks corresponding to the places where the Faraday tubes cut the
front." Hence the Planck, Q. Here Thompson gives its size as that of a unit
Faraday Tube, this being one Coulomb. So, how bit is a Planck?
In his "Electricity and Matter" J. J. Thompson establishes the concept of
Atomic Energy, pre-dating Einstein by a decade. To quote, from page 111;
"Let us take the case of the Hydrogen atom for which n equals 1000, (n is
the number of Faraday tubes, or electronic corpuscles), and take for a the
value usually assumed in the kinetic theory of gases for the radius of the
atom, i.e., 10 to the minus 8 centimeter. Then the energy is 1.02 time 10 to
the plus 19 ergs; this amount of energy would be sufficient to lift a million
tons through a height exceeding one hundred yards." Here J. J. Thompson
gives not only a dimensional relation for Atomic Energy, but establishes the
size of the Planck via the tubes of induction within the Hydrogen atom.
Thompson gives 1000 corpuscles, we say one electron. Hereby given is a
dielectric induction, psi, in Coulomb, of 1000 lines per electron. The Planck
can now be quantified. How is it that Einstein ignores all of this
information in his Theory of Relativity?
The entire system of "Units and Dimensions" for electrical work as they
exist today are an incongruous quagmire force fit to Einstein's E equals mc
square. Electricity is a "mass free" phenomena. This is given by Dr.
Wilhelm Reich in his "Cosmic Superimposition". Mass has no place in
Electrical Units and a directive is issued to remove it from said units and
dimensions.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on March 10, 2015, 03:14:52 PM
he Institutional Educational System of The West
has produced 'highly educated morons with impressive
pieces of paper' attesting to their 'education' but
who are unable to actually think.
Yes, the "well educated idiot" ISSUE
My friend, who is 64, and worth about 150 MILLION $$, never worked a day in his LIFE, and is a walking fount of knowledge said once---
"College is a great place where finely educated idiots are produced in mass" ;D ;D ;D ;D
thought youd like this pic i made below
HEHEHEHEHHEHEHE!!!
Quote from: Qwert on March 10, 2015, 03:44:27 PM
That's exactly like your theory: MAGNETIC VORTEX "has NEITHER been observed, measured, OR QUANTIFIED by anyone on earth.
observed? FERROCELL
my invention of Ferro-susspension
The HYPOTROCHOID can only be extrapolated FROM a vortex.
NOBODY on earth can extrapolate a Hypotrochoid WITHOUT a VORTEX ;D ;D ;D
sure its been quantified moron, its called the LARMOR FREQUENCY of Gyromagnetic precession
harf harf harf harf !!!!!!!!
Intellectually, youre on par with this tree-RAT below ;D ;D ;D ;D
same place mentally as he is
Quote from: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 04:56:49 PM
There is no magnetic vortex like Kenny claim
Closing your eyes like a child doesnt make the truth disappear
too bad for you , eh? ;D ;D ;D
now, TRY TRY TRY to extrapolate a Hypotrochoid WITHOUT a vortex
;)
TRY , its FUCKING 100% IMPOSSIBLE !!! ;D ;D ;D
The magnetic field is a Reciprocating precessional hyperboloid (copyright 2014 ken w)
Kenny:
How about demonstrating the brainpower to resize your images so they are a maximum of 800 pixels wide? Any basic image editing program can do this and it takes max 20 seconds to do it once you are familiar with the mouse clicks. It would also be a courtesy to the readers of this thread and make the thread much easier to read.
MileHigh
QuoteThe magnetic field is a Reciprocating precessional hyperboloid
That doesn't sound like science, it sounds like an adult toy.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 07:39:01 PM
Yes, the "well educated idiot" ISSUE
Not as bad as the uneducated idiot issue (or ISSUE if you're prone to fits of capitalization) which we are dealing with right here with you. :)
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never worked a day in his LIFE
So....he's a con artist like yourself? Just more successful?
Quote from: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
That doesn't sound like science, it sounds like an adult toy.
...and his "publisher" sounds like a D&D character I had.
Also since you need express written consent from the publisher to reproduce his book. Is he writing notes to himself?
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Dear Kenny,
I expressly permit you to post the diagram on page X on overunity
Sincerely,
Kenny
Quote from: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 07:52:40 PM
Kenny:
How about demonstrating the brainpower to resize your images so they are a maximum of 800 pixels wide? Any basic image editing program can do this and it takes max 20 seconds to do it once you are familiar with the mouse clicks. It would also be a courtesy to the readers of this thread and make the thread much easier to read.
MileHigh
yorue right on that, i did it
Quote from: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
That doesn't sound like science, it sounds like an adult toy.
you would be familiar with those
Not I.
which IS FITTING, I always thought you a human DILDO ;D
When faced with an oblique reference to personal pleasure devices TheoriaApophasis's mind spins and reels at the speed of light. What remark could he make to clarify the anathema he feels for these items but not provide any clues to his latent homophobia.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 08:00:49 PM
you would be familiar with those
Not I.
....the answer was perfect. A complete negative. Nobody would confuse that with an endorsement. Crisis averted. TheoriaApophasis may now rest until his powers of composition, verse and near random capitalization are needed once more.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 08:00:49 PM
you would be familiar with those
Not I.
Well, that's too bad. It's all part and parcel of pleasing your partner and demonstrating a capacity for creativity and imagination.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 08:12:59 PM
Well, that's too bad. It's all part and parcel of pleasing your partner and demonstrating a capacity for creativity and imagination.
thats ok too.
you keep thinking about your crotch and others crotches. ;D
ill spend my time NORTH of the neck.
and you SOUTH of same.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 08:20:15 PM
ill spend my time NORTH of the neck.
The problem is there is only tossed salad up there!
A joke that predates you:
Q: Why did the punk rocker cross the road?
A: Because he was stapled to the chicken.
Intellectually, you are stapled to the chicken.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 08:20:15 PM
ill spend my time NORTH of the neck.
Virgin territory up there too I imagine.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 08:30:34 PM
Intellectually, you are stapled to the chicken.
Ohhhh, you really burned me there, ::)
you got me good
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 08:52:43 PM
Ohhhh, you really burned me there, ::)
I suppose if it was 1987...
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 10, 2015, 02:01:59 PM
Gibt ein Korper die Energie in Form von Strahlung ab, so verkleinert sich seine masse um L/V^2 - A. Einstein (1908)
Please produce an earlier reference by Poincare or Boskovich.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controverse_sur_la_paternit%C3%A9_de_la_relativit%C3%A9 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controverse_sur_la_paternit%C3%A9_de_la_relativit%C3%A9)
Einstein a lu La Science et l'Hypothèse (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Science_et_l%27Hypoth%C3%A8se) (1902) d'Henri Poincaré avant la rédaction de ses articles majeurs
12 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controverse_sur_la_paternit%C3%A9_de_la_relativit%C3%A9#cite_note-12).
Poincaré meurt en 1912, Einstein en 1955.
so einstein read the poicare's publication BEFORE his own publication
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En 1900, Henri Poincaré (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9) publie un article dans lequel il affirme qu'un rayonnement pourrait être considéré comme un fluide fictif d'une masse équivalente m = E/c2. Il s'est inspiré pour cette interprétation de la « théorie des électrons » de Lorentz qui incorpore la pression de radiation (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pression_de_radiation) de Maxwell.
En 1905, Albert Einstein est le premier à suggérer que lorsqu'un corps matériel perd une énergie E (sous forme de radiation ou de chaleur), sa masse décroît d'une valeur égale à E/c25 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controverse_sur_la_paternit%C3%A9_de_la_relativit%C3%A9#cite_note-5).
En 1900, Poincaré décrit une procédure de synchronisation pour des horloges en repos les unes par rapport aux autres6 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controverse_sur_la_paternit%C3%A9_de_la_relativit%C3%A9#cite_note-6),7 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controverse_sur_la_paternit%C3%A9_de_la_relativit%C3%A9#cite_note-7), très similaire8 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controverse_sur_la_paternit%C3%A9_de_la_relativit%C3%A9#cite_note-8) à celle publiée par Einstein dans son article de 19059 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controverse_sur_la_paternit%C3%A9_de_la_relativit%C3%A9#cite_note-9).
Le 5 juin 190510 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controverse_sur_la_paternit%C3%A9_de_la_relativit%C3%A9#cite_note-10), devant l'Académie des sciences à Paris (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acad%C3%A9mie_des_sciences_%28France%29), Poincaré complète les transformations de Lorentz et prouve l'invariance des équations de Maxwell11 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controverse_sur_la_paternit%C3%A9_de_la_relativit%C3%A9#cite_note-11) dans une note de 5 pages développée en un mémoire de 50 pages.
L'article du 26 septembre 1905 d'Einstein ne contient aucune référence à d'autres articles. Il mentionne Lorentz en relation avec le traitement du champ électromagnétique. Poincaré n'est pas mentionné.
Einstein a lu La Science et l'Hypothèse (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Science_et_l%27Hypoth%C3%A8se) (1902) d'Henri Poincaré avant la rédaction de ses articles majeurs12 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controverse_sur_la_paternit%C3%A9_de_la_relativit%C3%A9#cite_note-12).
Poincaré meurt en 1912, Einstein en 1955.
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 10, 2015, 02:01:59 PM
Gibt ein Korper die Energie in Form von Strahlung ab, so verkleinert sich seine masse um L/V^2 - A. Einstein (1908)
Please produce an earlier reference by Poincare or Boskovich.
http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CH4QFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnaturelovesmath-en.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F11%2Ffather-of-relativity-theory-einstein.html&ei=E-j_VMXsLpHaaM28gOgO&usg=AFQjCNFRwpjC5-Kh6i2JmmzdKkJ9wPYLDA&sig2=WnZMZWV7CWJY1k0GmixmNA&bvm=bv.87611401,d.d2s
http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CHMQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1204.6576&ei=E-j_VMXsLpHaaM28gOgO&usg=AFQjCNEUSU7Mp8TLZKfS4asBvQH6k3aYqQ&sig2=Cu-9B5HA5NQGAOKUaNDCRg&bvm=bv.87611401,d.d2s
http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CGYQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fabs%2Fphysics%2F0408077&ei=E-j_VMXsLpHaaM28gOgO&usg=AFQjCNHcOAuktELR20TD_3-57oDzMle6WA&sig2=umySwpkzmevIVjIvRzmfvw&bvm=bv.87611401,d.d2s
http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFwQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.ihep.su%2Flibrary%2Fpubs%2Ftconf05%2Fps%2Fc5-1.pdf&ei=E-j_VMXsLpHaaM28gOgO&usg=AFQjCNGXqySonU3rzoR9E6pVb3a3FnmPXw&sig2=G7QSckjGyEiQsX7id6FnUg&bvm=bv.87611401,d.d2s
http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFEQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bourbaphy.fr%2Fdarrigol2.pdf&ei=E-j_VMXsLpHaaM28gOgO&usg=AFQjCNFZwf96BJRLyWXmf-v_4wfq4GrXRA&sig2=8IV8Ox3cMmhX7TQ4EBhAVA&bvm=bv.87611401,d.d2s
http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEgQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphysics.stackexchange.com%2Fquestions%2F35090%2Fwhy-did-einstein-get-credit-for-formulating-the-theory-of-special-relativity&ei=E-j_VMXsLpHaaM28gOgO&usg=AFQjCNFyvJkNa7IgQtMrdbihXlvQtXl3SQ&sig2=tFU8aFP2pZlk-WGCtj3MGg&bvm=bv.87611401,d.d2s
http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEAQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmathpages.com%2Frr%2Fs8-08%2F8-08.htm&ei=E-j_VMXsLpHaaM28gOgO&usg=AFQjCNHn-X91IeN2xpKuo70puDmd5YhoKg&sig2=5OMZL74ih0jZ8DVWruMfHQ&bvm=bv.87611401,d.d2s
http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDcQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHenri_Poincar%25C3%25A9&ei=E-j_VMXsLpHaaM28gOgO&usg=AFQjCNGSct3aL2Ry6fc0dw7FAbNbnafDwA&sig2=WX8pKkNTt7Y8ZGLoeELAyQ&bvm=bv.87611401,d.d2s
Thanks tagor.so now we have a pretty much full pixture of how apophasis-model would work if implemented. All existence is composed of a)bundles of oscillating di-electric circuits and b) vaccuum.the interactions of said bundles giving classic newtonian action-reactions in energy exchange.now there's just one small problem @mr apophasis: heat.what is heat. according to your model energy is vibration or momenta of condensate.but heat is ALSO a photon,an infrared photon.heat has mass.a hot bucket of water weighs slightly more than than a cold bucket of water of equal size due to e=mc2. In other words your di-electric infrared condensates photons is infact capable of conversion into energy momenta and vise versa not so? Here we see e=mc2 in the original meaning of the word where mass and energy are literaly interconverting not so? Infrared photon>enegry momenta/energy momenta>infrared photon.we're adding mass to a bucket of water when we add infrared photons,when we heat it.hot coffee in a glass flask weighs slightly more than cold coffee in the same flask if it were floating in outer space until all momenta is lost via radiation losses not so? Momentum IS mass not so?
I'm fine-tuning the atomic blast example here for you a bit mr apophasis.
Quote from: profitis on March 11, 2015, 06:12:24 AM
is ALSO a photon
what photons? they dont exist, theyre bounding compressions in a Z axis binding transverse circuit (EM/ light), either circular polarization or otherwise dependent upon phase shift.
all EM/Light is just E and M pistons along a DIELECTRIC CRANKSHAFT
Our modern idiot science says there are pistons, but no crankshaft
The medium and the max rate of induction is C squared.
the very principle of a PROTON exists because a "wave packet" is (almost) exactly like an atom with a dielectric pulse at its center, with transversing EM phenomena.
The so called BS "wave packet" is just a propagating Electromotive circuit of bounding E and M concurrent to the frequency of the perturbation which created the TEM to propagate.
Apophasis:'the so called BS "wave packet" is just a propagating
Electromotive circuit of bounding E and M concurrent to the
frequency of the perturbation which created the TEM to
propagate.'
Yes but it has mass correct? So an infrared wobbly of a certain high frequency bangs into some black condensate and dissipates its momenta energy into lower frequency vibes.if you were to collect all those dissipated lower-energy vibes and shove them all together again you would see the bathroom scale weigh exact same as prior to collision ala the atomic blast example.I guess this is why photon up-conversion in certain crystals requires two or more lower enegry photons to come together insync.to conserve MASS
You will note that its this point of confusion mass/energy and inter-relation thereof is probably where the different models of physics spring forth as it is very largely limited to ones perception or even point-of-view nevermind perception.
Quote from: tagor on March 11, 2015, 03:04:49 AM
so einstein read the poicare's publication BEFORE his own publication
Poincaré parlait la physique du rayonnement. Einstein parlais en général.
So what does your model predict if we take a single photon and plunge it straight to zero degree kelvin mr apophasis.what happens to the circuitry.what happens to condensate circuitry? Does it keep wobbling?
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 11, 2015, 09:17:44 AM
Poincaré parlait la physique du rayonnement. Einstein parlais en général.
LOL
meme en face d'une evidence ce type veut toujours avoir raison bla bla bla bla
un pliagiat ... passe ... 2 pliagiats ? bonjour les degats
PS : nota bene
einstein etait physiscien il a eu le prix nobel avec les erreurs de calculs
poincare etait matematicien ( mal vue a l'epoque ) il n'a pas eu le prix nobel ( meme sans erreur ! )
la physique du rayonnement ? mort de rire tu t'es chouté ou quoi ?
Quote from: tagor on March 11, 2015, 12:29:04 PM
LOL
meme en face d'une evidence ce type veut toujours avoir raison bla bla bla bla
Pantoute. Lire les essais. Comprendre les différences.
What the qm's have to say about photons:
'Photons don't really have a precise location. They are never
really precisely anywhere. The exist as a cloud, distributed over
space. You can interpret the distribution as a probability of
finding the photon in question in a particular place, but that
interpretation is also potentially misleading.
For example, even the existence of "a photon" is a somewhat
tricky concept. Photons appear and disappear in the universe all
the time. There is an uncertainty principle that applies to
energy, parallel to the more familiar version that relates position
and momentum. The exact energy of any given patch of space is
not a single well-defined number. It's not even well-defined that
a photon that left one place is "the same" photon that you sent
off; it may have disappeared, re-appeared, or undergone all
sorts of transformations in the meantime.
The parts of an atom aren't really filled with anything. The same
not-well-defined properties that apply to photons also apply to
electrons, protons, and neutrons, the primary constituents of an
atom. Down that small, nothing has a completely well-defined
position; it can only be defined with some real, quantifiable
uncertainty.
Written 4 Jul, 2012. 440 views.
Joshua Engel'
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 10, 2015, 07:42:44 PM
observed? FERROCELL
my invention of Ferro-susspension
The HYPOTROCHOID can only be extrapolated FROM a vortex.
NOBODY on earth can extrapolate a Hypotrochoid WITHOUT a VORTEX ;D ;D ;D
sure its been quantified moron, its called the LARMOR FREQUENCY of Gyromagnetic precession
harf harf harf harf !!!!!!!!
Intellectually, youre on par with this tree-RAT below ;D ;D ;D ;D
same place mentally as he is
As sadang says: "that's only an interpretation" of your and your followers who catch slightest opportunity to show the world how innovatory they are, but unable to create their own innovation, so they find a guru instead.
This kind of people are first to accept overunity concept, if they only find appropriate guru. And all that to show
that this present science is wrong and they are right.
Proved by me and others in this thread that your ferrocell and other methods of proving your
concept are pure BS.
Quote from: Qwert on March 11, 2015, 09:32:19 PM
"that's only an interpretation" of your and your followers
Sorry asshole, thats a baseless claim.
The HYPOTROCHOID can
only be extrapolated FROM a vortex. FUCKING PERIOD
NOBODY on earth can extrapolate a Hypotrochoid WITHOUT a VORTEX
FUCKING DOUBLE PERIOD. ;D
MERE gyromagnetic precession alone necessitates a vortex.
However YOU DONT even goddamn know the definition of a VORTEX? its not a magical term in connotation OR denotation, idiot child.
Quote from: profitis on March 11, 2015, 08:58:31 AM
Yes but it has mass correct? So an infrared wobbly of a certain high frequency bangs into some black condensate and dissipates its momenta energy into lower frequency vibes.if you were to collect all those dissipated lower-energy vibes and shove them all together again you would see the bathroom scale weigh exact same as prior to collision ala the atomic blast example.I guess this is why photon up-conversion in certain crystals requires two or more lower enegry photons to come together insync.to conserve MASS
no, the "photon" has no mass.
Quote from: profitis on March 11, 2015, 08:58:31 AM
see the bathroom scale weigh exact same as prior to collision ala the atomic blast example.I guess this is why photon up-conversion in certain crystals requires two or more lower enegry photons to come together insync.to conserve MASS
weight is LOCATION specific
weight is MEDIUM specific
weight is MOTION SPECIFICThe principle of weight is a human derivation of counterspatial acceleration of mass A to mass B, its a TENSION, not a WEIGHT, not a FORCE
that which is deemed weight, is NEITHER force , nor motion.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 11, 2015, 11:48:23 PM
The HYPOTROCHOID can only be extrapolated FROM a vortex. FUCKING PERIOD
Any chance you can define what "extrapolated from a vortex" means? You seem to like using those words. :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 12, 2015, 01:38:40 AM
Any chance you can define what "extrapolated from a vortex" means? You seem to like using those words. :)
surely you jest
Alcohol can only be extrapolated with yeast
Bread can only be extrapolated / created with DOUGH
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 12, 2015, 02:32:17 AM
Alcohol can only be extrapolated with yeast
Bread can only be extrapolated / created with DOUGH
Putting aside that the first statement is wrong you are still providing almost zero information. All you are doing is asserting a dependency between one thing and another. Perhaps I can ask you a simpler question. Can you define "vortex" without referencing any web page or other document in a reasonably formal way?
Only on Overunity do I find people who's field knowledge is so anemic that they can't answer a simple question.
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 12, 2015, 07:27:12 AM
Putting aside that the first statement is wrong you are still providing almost zero information. All you are doing is asserting a dependency between one thing and another. Perhaps I can ask you a simpler question. Can you define "vortex" without referencing any web page or other document in a reasonably formal way?
Only on Overunity do I find people who's field knowledge is so anemic that they can't answer a simple question.
You confuse PROCESS (Tolma in ancient greek) ......with NECESSITY (ananke in ancient greek).
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 12, 2015, 07:27:12 AM
Can you define "vortex" without referencing any web page or other document in a reasonably formal way?
Yes, ill quote myself...........
copyright 1-2015 Ken W.A vortex is a compounded or compounding spatial force vector expression within which or by which magnetic-force vectors are expressed against its/their originating counterspatial dielectric locus (inertia) along a curvilinear force-and-inertia pressure mediation as against the counterspatial locus of said divergent curvilinear expression. Compounded macroatomic natural phenomena vortex (fluid, environmental) events are void or vacuum convergences against a pressure stasis. Cosmic vortex phenomena are left for another discussion, however are likewise akin to magnetic hypotrochoid expressions. As per magnetic vortex hyperboloids, f
orce and space-creation are torsional ('inertial-friction') along golden ratio extrapolations and are additive, whereas convergences are dielectrically multiplicative. This is expressed as space is additive and synonymous with magnetic divergence, whereas counterspace is multiplicative. A magnetic vortex is a dielectric projection of force vectors, which follows a hyperboloid.
A vortex, in simple, is merely a curvilinear expression of force-against-dielectric-inertia reciprocation whereby which no straight lines exist in the universe, in that all force vectors are 'tethered' at a counterspatial locus within which and by which any and all divergences are torsional convergences as against a necessitated polarized locus (micro [atomic], or macro [magnet, a coherent mass]) which exists against all space by definition. The hyperboloid is the curvilinear expression of the loss of inertia which is extrapolated as a 3D hypotrochoid, or spatial torus. All geometry is projective geometry; likewise the magnetic hyperboloid is an inertia-and-loss-of-inertia phenomenon by which pressure reciprocation necessitates spheroidal convergence by means of hypotrochoid reciprocation. Negative pressure dynamics mediate pressure force reciprocations towards inverse counterspatial sink. The magnetic hypotrochoid is a convergence by means of polarized divergence vortex by nature, however the center of any and all torus formations, is the hyperboloid. The counterspatial 'center' of the torus is dielectric inertia, or counterspace from which the magnetic vortex, or torus is expressed necessitatively.
Even a centrifugal vortex is centripetal, in that it MUST reciprocate the geometry of the hyperboloid to converge centripetally at the opposite spatial displacement of centripetal convergence ("opposite pole"). There are no straight lines in the universe, all force vectors are curvilinear and move along a spiral around one or more counterspatial "tether-points". Contrary to the pontifications of pseudo-science, there exists NO open vortex phenomena in the universe, all force vectors are CLOSED.
Ultimately a vacuum created vortex (water vortex, water down the drain) or a magnetic vortex are both expressions of counterspace, one a localized void, the other an Ether-convergence. No force ends in space, because space is NOT a receptacle for force, rather the posterior attribute of divergences. All force vectors terminate at the origins, in inertia, or as meant counterspace.
Coherent magnetic reciprocation expressed by a magnet's (polarization collective with coherency) divergence exists as a pressure-force hyperboloid as necessitated by the dielectric counterspatial locus so-deemed by modern inept and defunct physics as a "Bloch wall". Inertia is the counterspatial 'tether point' at which and by which all force vectors, magnetic and otherwise express curvilinear reciprocations as defined by the space they create in so doing.
The absolute inverse of inertia is nothing, which is space. Space is neither a FIELD nor a FORCE, and has no properties, is it is purely a posterior attribute of the force reciprocations of magnetism. Force is nothing whatsoever, and the expression which gives definition to all phenomena in the universe.
"Under" the spheroidal field (really a force, not a field, only dielectric is the true field, magnetism is purely a force only) of magnetism, either atomic or the magnetic (coherent single mass) exists the spatial-counterspatial HYPERBOLOID, failure to understand this will make your compression of what the term "polarization" both IS and IMPLIES impossible,... in the definition of what both magnetism IS and is meant, and how this applies to the magnet itself.
A vortex is a curvilinear force towards inertia as necessitated by the expression of a spatial divergence
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 12, 2015, 07:53:18 AM
You confuse PROCESS (Tolma in ancient greek) ......with NECESSITY (ananke in ancient greek).
No, but you are confusing my comment which is about a statement providing information with one about classifying information and while there is an 'n' sound in the word Homer used for "necessitate" or "force" (it can also mean "distress" incidentally). A more formal projection into Latin characters would be anagke and a better phonological projection into English would be anangkay. What you wrote comes out of high school books about Greek and Roman mythology.
Which is exactly what you sound like. Some bozo who is so poorly read that you need to project everything into the few terms you know.
QuoteA vortex is a curvilinear force towards inertia as necessitated by the expression of a spatial divergence
ROFL. As someone who reads a lot of papers which to many people could be regarded as tedious you often wonder when tedium becomes just nonsense. Thank you for showing me where that line is by crossing it.
So a vortex is a force traveling a curved path which is opposed by another force (inertia) in some (not usefully specificed by you) direction. Right?
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 12, 2015, 09:23:57 AM
So a vortex is a force traveling a curved path which is opposed by another force (inertia) in some (not usefully specificed by you) direction. Right?
there are centripetal vortex and centrifugal ones,
BOTH are ONE single reciprocating hyperboloid as per magnetism.
dont you know anything about projective geometry and the Poincare' disk model?
not a force opposed by ANOTHER FORCE, rather force "tethered" to INERTIA itself
The cosmos contains NOT ONE straight line, and actually further still, the cosmos DOES NOT CONTAIN A SINGLE LINE at all.........., all are hyperboloids and CLOSED LOOPS
even a longitudinal field modality discharge is curvilinearSpace is not the terminus for ANY field,.... its not a terminal for anything.
mother nature is NOT a CROSS-EYED CRACK WH0RE ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
everything is force and motion and inertia and acceleration, all is reducible to same and there is only ONE FIELD, and 3 field modalities.
TA,
quote from your reply 3283.
"FERROCELL" "my invention of ferro susspension"
This looks as if you invented the Ferrocell, is this true?
S too many somewhere?
H.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 12, 2015, 03:44:33 PMnot a force opposed by ANOTHER FORCE, rather force "tethered" to INERTIA itself
Let's try this another way. :) Does "tethered" mean that I can represent the path of a "vortex" by the resultant path of the curved force being acted upon by another force?
Quote from: harhaoppisesti on March 12, 2015, 04:05:13 PM
TA,
quote from your reply 3283.
"FERROCELL" "my invention of ferro susspension"
This looks as if you invented the Ferrocell, is this true?
S too many somewhere?
H.
thats NOT WHAT I SAID ;D ;D
i referred to 2 diff things, of COURSE i didnt invent the ferrocell, i talked about ITS INVENTOR, Timm like 40 pages ago many many times.
i SAID ALSO a Ferro-suspension i invented ( i have 4 unique ones)
I was referring to 2 diff things.
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 12, 2015, 05:41:41 PM
Let's try this another way. :) Does "tethered" mean that I can represent the path of a "vortex" by the resultant path of the curved force being acted upon by another force?
dont forget the necessitated phase shift.
since the LOSS of inertia is PROJECTIVE ......... , /////magnetism "is the dielectric field"- FARADAY//////.................its technically a CIRCLE, but a curvilinear spatial phenomena.
refer to the Poincare' Disk Model please.
NO..........
Force against counter-force (inertia and acceleration)
Any vortex is a mutual displacement of pressure mediations between the inertia and the reciprocating force hyperboloid which is ALSO precessing.
its strange for current human hairy-APE minds to grasp that
field initiated acceleration (not as in a car and applying the gas etc etc) is the INVERSE, the OPPOSITE to motion. ;D ;D ;D
All force is just the expression of a 0 "point" of inertia, Force is just the projective mirage of inertia, duhh.
Timm says "When light bombards certain metals, electrons are ejected.
This is called the Photoelectric effect".
You say, "there's no such things as electrons".
Who's right?
H.
Quote from: harhaoppisesti on March 12, 2015, 07:45:29 PM
Timm says "When light bombards certain metals, electrons are ejected.
This is called the Photoelectric effect".
You say, "there's no such things as electrons".
Who's right?
H.
Even in talking with Timm via phone, he agrees electrons are NOT particles or beads etc etc.
As for the photoelectric effect, Im correct. hes a wonderful inventor, you have some kind of MOTIVE to get me to say anything against him??????
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 12, 2015, 07:52:51 PM
Even in talking with Timm via phone, he agrees electrons are NOT particles or beads etc etc.
BUT, any theory presented regarding the "true" nature of what everything is and how it works, must also explain why all the currently accepted models and related math work so well. It has to explain why there are areas of "space" that at least "act as" or "manifest as" electrons, protons, neutrons, quarks, etc. (the whole list of particles actually). Science has learned to manipulate, probe, image, quantify, predict, and design technology with, the current models to such precision that it is doubtful that they can be all that inaccurate.
The science of chemistry works quite well with the present day models using the concept of electrons and their defined orbitals. Certainly no one can deny the advances made in the field of electronics. As for atomic, nuclear, or particle physics, the use of the technology created with the present day models has allowed science to probe deeper into that realm of the "particles" producing imagery that continues to support that there are at least regions of "space" that do indeed manifest as particles, atoms, molecules, etc.
Any new theories of what everything is, will also have to agree with or obey the present day mathematical modeling derived from experimentation and observation, improve on its accuracy, or, at the very least, explain why the present day models and math only "appear" to work so well. The use of QM and QED, for example, has allowed science and technology to advance at an even faster rate than was possible prior to their use, so again, as it appears to work so very well, any new theory must agree with or, at the least, explain why QM and QED, if they are wrong, work as well as they do having permitted the advances made and the predictions confirmed.
It is no great leap to believe that there are no particles, as in some little solid ball with a real "physicality", but it is indeed a great leap to believe that there are no regions of "something" we call "space" so defined or modulated to at least manifest as something that presents the appearance and qualities of that which we refer to as a "particle".
Unlike some, I believe science is progressing nicely. 100 years is not a long time. Look at where science was just that short time ago. The past 100 years has brought about technological advances building upon and using that which was discovered in the prior centuries. Using those technological advances, science is probing deeper into both the very small and the very distant, using tools not even conceivable 100 years prior. I believe science will, in the next 100 years, provide another incredible leap in our understanding of what "it" is all about.
Provided, of course, that humanity also advances, learning to be considerate of each other and their surroundings. Advances in technology without similar advances in humanity is likely just a recipe for disaster.
Picowatt:'regions of "space" that do indeed manifest as particles, atoms, molecules, etc.'
I would like to know IF or HOW photons or matter can appear out the blue from absolutely nothing ie vaccuum space or vise versa and 'disappear'.this is something I'd love to discuss over coffe with a qm one fine day.the idea that the universe's matter is and always was just 'there' is always troubling me.I've got my own theory that 'vaccuum' or 'nothingness' is infact a single giant photon of humungous wavelength that spits out pieces smaller photons and absorbs them back in.I'm thinking true 'nothingness' 'exists'(this is the wrong word for this but the only word available) only outside of empty vaccuum and cannot possibly be perceived.all we see is mirage or space-time curvature of this gargantuan photon or some shit like that
Quote from: picowatt on March 12, 2015, 10:20:25 PM
must also explain why all the currently accepted models and related math work so well.
i explained this PAGES ago you idiot.
ACCURATE experimental duplications and empirical observation DONT HAVE ANY FUCKING GODDAMN CONNECTION TO ACCURATE EXPLANATIONS.
Honest and true, you really ARE that goddamn dumb
I can work out correct math for the orbital vectors of a spaceship and explain same with subatomic graviton Unicorn particles
the first half of that (DESCRIPTION, REPRODUCIBLE OBSERVATION) is correct
the second half (the EXPLANATION) is 100% wrong
Wise the Ever-Loving-Goddamn-Hell UP Quote from: picowatt on March 12, 2015, 10:20:25 PM
It has to explain why there are areas of "space" that at least "act as" or "manifest as" electrons, protons, neutrons, quarks
No such BULLSHIT has ever OCCURRED,........ EVER
Space is nothing, neither FORCE nor FIELD, NOR can MANIFEST ANYTHING of its own accord.
Like saying NOTHING, a dark room "manifested a dude that stuck his head out into the light"
ie, an EMPTY ROOM "manifested some guy"
No dufus, something was manifest from inertia, ie COUNTERSPACE that appeared in some COORDINATE of space
Space has NEVER EVER produced ANYTHING . EVER ;D
And then there is that...
Apophasis:'Space is nothing, neither FORCE nor FIELD, NOR can MANIFEST ANYTHING of its own accord.'
Crap man.where did the universe originate from then huh? Empty Space is not what it appears to be.it is relativistic.so is matter.they fold on each other
I will go so far as to say that as soon as something 'appears' to be anything it is not essentialy what it looks like.heisenberg mr apophasis.heisenberg.if a photon is relativistic..if a PHOTON is RELATIVISTIC..theneverything in 'existence' must be relativistic too.this is logic(human perspective logic anyways).you want to step outside relativism and tell us 'no its really this simplicity here',,how are you going to do this mr apophasis when you yourself are trapped in it
Quote from: profitis on March 13, 2015, 01:05:03 AM
Apophasis:'Space is nothing, neither FORCE nor FIELD, NOR can MANIFEST ANYTHING of its own accord.'
Crap man.where did the universe originate from then huh? Empty Space is not what it appears to be.it is relativistic.so is matter.they fold on each other
space and nothing are the same thing.
space is a qualifier of SOMETHING ELSE , typically 2 or more, as a measure ONLY, it has NO PROPERTIES OR ATTRIBUTES
1 Monas
1 point, aoristos dyad
2 line
3 circle
5 sphere
4, or space, doesnt exist in the Fibonacci sequence, likewise.
Quote from: profitis on March 13, 2015, 01:11:40 AM
if a PHOTON is RELATIVISTIC.
there is no such BS as a photon
The trifold circuit of light, or "EM" is transverse E and M and a longitudinal inertial perturbation
"relativistic" is only a mind screw to state that all 3 are codependent , and none exists independent of the others .
relativistic "effects" are just a mentally inferior BS pseudo-science to explain (but dont) FIELD MECHANICS
Apophasis:'"relativistic" is only a mind screw'
Damn right it is.because it IS right? For example: a homo sapien can only possibly perceive suchnsuch.a honeybee can only perceive suchnsuch.you would literaly have to step outside of your own perception to see truth not so? You would have to 'become' existence to see existence.in other words you would have to die and be alive at the sametime not so? Die to break away from human perception,remain alive to record it and write down what you see not so? I'm deviating into subjective consciousness territory here and its limitations.so where exactly do you differ from the quantum mechanics mr apophasis.your theory is more localised it seems as to the nature of a photon-matter ITSELF right? In other words you're not really stepping outside of relativism but attacking models within the greater relativistic model correct?we need some perspective sir
profitis, do you believe that there is nothing else to yet be learned?
Apophasis:'codependent , and none exists independent of the others .'
What exists independantly apophasis..an apple? Yeah sure its there and it works like suchnsuch but it definitely isnot independant of the universe and the effects of the universe upon IT right?
also, profitis, why after 2584 post have you not learned how to quote on forums? You know the simple forum etiquette =
Quote
?
Joel:'do you believe that there is nothing else to yet be learned'
I believe it is impossible to learn beyond a certain limit.that limit is subjective human perception.
Profitis, who taught you what you have learned?
Did you teach yourself? Or did your dad did?
Joel:'also, profitis, why after 2584 post have you not learned how to quote on forums?'
I'm on cellfone imode.its too slow to quotebutton I rather copy-paste.
QuoteI believe it is impossible to learn beyond a certain limit.that limit is subjective human perception.
Who is the gate keeper of this 'limit' you speak off? And did you ask the gate keeper that there is a limit?
Who gave you the perception that you perceive?
Joel:'Did you teach yourself? Or did your dad did?'
I think too much.
QuoteI'm on cellfone imode.its too slow to quotebutton I rather copy-paste.
How fast is your home computer bro?
is it an i7 CPU with 24 megabytes of memory?
Just curious, how fast is your cell phone? Is it a smart phone or a stupid phone?
QuoteI think too much.
I would say you think too little. :)
Joel:'
Who gave you the perception that you perceive?'
A very good question.who can answer this but I'l tell you one thing,those that give a straight answer to this with self-conviction tend to enjoy life more than those who think about it too much.
Joel:'How fast is your home computer bro?
is it an i7 CPU with 24 megabytes of memory?
Just curious, how fast is your cell phone? Is it a smart phone or a stupid phone?'
Stupid phone
Joel:'I would say you think too little. :)'
I wish :)
QuoteA very good question.who can answer this but I'l tell you one thing,those that give a straight answer to this with self-conviction tend to enjoy life more than those who think about it too much.
Do you know how many questions babies ask?
Mom what is this? Dad what is this? Uncle what is this?
You are an adult baby just asking questions.
Plain and simple, since when did you stopped learning? And since when life became that EVERYTHING THAT YOU KNOW is the truth to everyone else truth?
From what I have seen, you keep on asking questions after questions and questions and questions like a little curious baby. Which actually makes you look like you want to suck on the female tit for milk.
QuoteI wish
OK, TA proposes a magnetic vortex. And TA gave pictures and explanations....where are your contradicting pictures and explanations?
QuoteStupid phone
A stupid phone was phased out by the 'smart' phone a longggggg time ago. You don't even know about phone technology and you propose to understand NEW stuff?
Joel:'From what I have seen, you keep on asking questions after questions and questions and questions like a little curious baby. Which actually makes you look like you want to suck on the female tit for milk.'
No I'm attacking apophasis to get closer to truth.one has to reflect.he needs to counter-attack to get closer to his truth.
Joel:'OK, TA proposes a magnetic vortex. And TA gave pictures and explanations....where are your contradicting pictures and explanations?'
I'm not exactly sure what ta proposes but its much much more than just a vortex sir
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/moleculepicture.htm
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/moleculepicturepix.htm
Joel:'A stupid phone was phased out by the 'smart' phone a longggggg time ago. You don't even know about phone technology and you propose to understand NEW stuff?'
Ima peasant,itsnot my fault.(ps.I'm only saying itsnot my fault because I'm allowed to say it.Its my fault :))
QuoteNo I'm attacking apophasis to get closer to truth.one has to reflect.he needs to counter-attack to get closer to his truth.
He never started attacking anyone, he just came here to show his years of studies. And everyone started to attack him cause they contradict your stupidity! You will fell better when he succumbs to your stupidity, right?
He just started here to teach, then he got attacked, then he is trying to defend himself as best as possible. In the end, your stupid ass can't never be convinced! profitis. You have no value and no one made you the gate keeper of truth. Truth passes over your head every day every night. You are just stuck in a loop and asking for someone to take you out of your ignorance.
No one cares if you don't believe what the truth is or not!
Someone would care if you ACTUALLY show effort that you know something.
What's your peer review or PDF that I can read or picture that go against the magnetic vortex?
Maybe you are just a dumb groupie following your ignorance?
Maybe the best thing someone can do is to bust your bubble so you can wake up from ignorance?
QuoteI'm not exactly sure what ta proposes but its much much more than just a vortex sir
SIR!, I kind of find it hard to believe that you knwo the difference between a smart phone VS a stupid phone let alone beyond that...lol
QuoteIma peasant,itsnot my fault.(ps.I'm only saying itsnot my fault because I'm allowed to say it.Its my fault
Who wipes your butt when you take a shyt?
You and apophasis make me angry @joelitis and I'l tell you why..because you guys assume that einstein and his cohorts were not deep spiritual thinkers.they were.they sat in a dark room or on the toilet and they thought,and thought,and thought through all these issues that you and apophasis are bringing up now.and they too,like me,realized that nothing is what it seems.now you want to come here today and tell me that something IS what it seems?
Quote from: profitis on March 13, 2015, 02:49:37 AM
No I'm attacking apophasis to get closer to truth
yes, and i was born yesterday too.
who is buying that BS? ;D doesnt matter
Joel:'Who wipes your butt when you take a shyt?'
I do
Apophasis:'yes, and i was born yesterday too.
who is buying that BS? ;D doesnt matter'
Aww cumon bro.there has to be resistance right?:)if you want to sell books in future its cool anything will sell but if you want to change the world,,,
QuoteYou and apophasis make me angry @joelitis and I'l tell you why..because you guys assume that einstein and his cohorts were not deep spiritual thinkers.they were.they sat in a dark room or on the toilet and they thought,and thought,and thought through all these issues that you and apophasis are bringing up now.and they too,like me,realized that nothing is what it seems.now you want to come here today and tell me that something IS what it seems?
You need to stop talking about others and need to start using your brain. Einstein already showed his brain capacity. Don't speak for him unless you have some new evidence that will prove his beliefs.
BTW, there are more other smart people than just Einstein. Einstein is just like he got lucky in the Hollywood of science Oscars in MTV.
Why don't we join brains and think why the vortex is going on?
If you want to battle Einstein VS Tesla...please stop using AC power right now! Do we agree on that? Go follow Einstein and stop using AC power today! with your 100% truth beliefs. :P
Disconnect your computer from the AC outlet right now if you don't believe in tesla! If you contunie to use AC power, you are an ignorant sheep! :P
Joel:'Why don't we join brains and thing why the vortex is going on?'
What vortex
QuoteI do
With what type of paper?
QuoteWhat vortex
Those lines that don't go straight. Go ahead and ask me what lines don't go straight!
Joel:'Einstein already showed his brain capacity'
And now you must do same,fight fire with fire
Profitis, please stop using AC power if you cannot thank Nikola Tesla for it. Only use DC power to light up your house. OK?
Joel:'Those lines that don't go straight. Go ahead and ask me what lines don't go straight!'
Yes we know magnet fields curve,but oscillating?with a kink? That's another story and needs evidence of some sort wouldn't you say?
QuoteAnd now you must do same,fight fire with fire
OHHH! fight fire with fire distinguishes fire...lol...you know what that says....you just want to burn things. lol. Like the devil lives in hell and wants to burn everything.
At what time do you take your medicating pills so I can bring you a glass off tap water?
Joel:'Only use DC power to light up your house. OK?'
Is it cheaper?
Joel:'you just want to burn things.'
I am a pyromaniac yes :) can your oscillating theory withstand the heat? Cmon mr joel,you come here today to tell us that something is what it seems.this is important because the others tell us nothing is what it seems.we need something to go on,some platform foundation for your theories
QuoteYes we know magnet fields curve,but oscillating?with a kink? That's another story and needs evidence of some sort wouldn't you say?
Yeah weeeeeeeee already know....and by "we" you mean "you" lol
AN oscillating means measuring oscillation in a scope? durp!
Listen guy, if you contradict someone means you have evidence to contradict! You show nothing! you and your 10,000 online friends even those web masters.
To be honest, you are just a Disneyland ride. Nothing to be taken serious IMO. = Clown.
QuoteIs it cheaper?
It's cheaper for you to go in the woods and stay there. Obviously, you never understood JP Morgan. WHich I find it hard for you to understand anything else...lol
QuoteI am a pyromaniac yes :) can your oscillating theory withstand the heat? Cmon mr joel,you come here today to tell us that something is what it seems.this is important because the others tell us nothing is what it seems.we need something to go on,some platform foundation for your theories
Sir, "we" are not talking to you. "we" have a restraining order against you. "we" have nothing to prove to you. "we" are only a fig of your dynamic entertainment. And that's what it is. lol....you have been living in a virtual internet forum world where you somehow made yourself the gatekeeper of truth. That what is truth must come first through your judgement! lol.
Let me guess, you work at walmart? Where do you work?
You seem to speak that you know all of this stuff but you CANNOT EVEN QUOTE on a forum...please! You are stuck in the past! :P
Joel:'To be honest, you are just a Disneyland ride. Nothing to be taken serious IMO. = Clown.'
Because I err on the side of heisenberg? You've got to be kidding mr know-it-all.heisenberg represents uncertainty now here you want to come tell us something certain,without foundation! You crack me up you guys :)
Profitis, please stop using AC power!
QuoteBecause I err on the side of heisenberg? You've got to be kidding mr know-it-all.heisenberg represents uncertainty now here you want to come tell us something certain,without foundation! You crack me up you guys :)
How many times do I have to tell you that everything is not STATIC?
How many times do I have to tell you that there are two paths in the present life = 1) truth. 2) money.
The goal is not to show who is the smartest, the goal is to learn from the smartest.
If you go against Nikola Tesla, please stop using AC power and use Einsteins theory of wet dream probabilities. lol
Joel:'we" have nothing to prove to you. '
vre gamot potanasou.I'm heisenbergs lawyer asshole.if you don't have something to prove to me then keep quiet :)
profitis, do you understand that you are using Nikola Tesla AC power?
Or did a dust fairy created it?
Joel:'How many times do I have to tell you that there are two paths in the present life = 1) truth. 2) money.'
Ooohhhh here we go again.telling us what it seems it is (sigh).no foundation.next please
QuoteI'm heisenbergs lawyer asshole.
lol. I think I'm going back to reality now. = true life!
Joel:'profitis, do you understand that you are using Nikola Tesla AC power?'
You ask too many questions and want to lay down too many laws bro
Profitis, how much money do you pay a month ofr Nikola Tesla AC power a month?
And can you tell Tesla I said hello when he takes your money?
dumb ass! lol
QuoteYou ask too many questions and want to lay down too many laws bro
All I'm saying is that why are you using Nikola Tesla AC power?
Why are you not using Bullwinkle electricity?
'All I'm saying is that why are you using Nikola Tesla AC power?
Why are you not using Bullwinkle electricity?'
Hasta la vista baby.I'm off to get laid in the forest today :) maybe I come back with answer l8r (sigh):)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 12, 2015, 07:07:50 PM
dont forget the necessitated phase shift.
We are talking about a force and something you are calling "inertia" which does something called "tether" to the force but you don't seem able to define either of those two other things with any utility as to how it affects the path of the force. Now you seem to be adding something called "phase" to the force.
See I can easily observe what non-crazy people would call a vortex. i.e. a whirlpool in water and I can easily picture a curved force (or a straight force in a curved medium). However I don't need to invoke a lot of poorly defined concepts to do so.
You can't seem to break your beliefs down sufficiently to talk about them. So I expect that you don't really understand what you're saying.
There's a nice vortex looking thing in the Heliospheric Current Sheet.
Apparently it's caused by the action of the Sun's rotating magnetic field
acting on plasma. (Parker Spiral?).
H.
You... yes You! You are not the center of the Universe ... no matter how smart you think you are!
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M89H7ugjUGk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M89H7ugjUGk)
profitis did you hear about the negative resonance absorption of the medium? what is its COP? don't bother to answer here, take it as a personal study.
Quote from: sadang on March 13, 2015, 12:04:03 PM
You... yes You! You are not the center of the Universe ... no matter how smart you think you are!
Still Buthurt from how smart I think you're not I see.
There's really no need for this. Just feel comfortable admitting you know jack about some things. Don't pretend like you have some insight into something if you can't answer the simplest of all possible questions on it. Don't pretend that most things are just research projects for other people. Learn something. Be able to talk about it intelligently.
Here endeth the lesson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVz211iI26o)
sarkchicken here is a movie about Kevin costner too...lol
https://youtu.be/XPckyFubAms
Real life is not a movie...lol
Lets look at the scene where kevin wants to kill the child to survive and the mom offers sex so the kid can live...
https://youtu.be/HOpLncx62oY
Sadang:'profitis did you hear about the negative resonance absorption of the medium? what is its COP?'
Photon up-conversion? Its cop greater than 1 if its far infrared.you saw those thermoluminescentspanels.
Quote from: joel321 on March 14, 2015, 02:17:05 AM
sarkchicken here is a movie about Kevin costner too...lol
https://youtu.be/XPckyFubAms
Real life is not a movie...lol
Lets look at the scene where kevin wants to kill the child to survive and the mom offers so the kid can live...
https://youtu.be/HOpLncx62oY
Well at least you and profitis have stopped making out in public.
Apophasis:'space and nothing are the same thing.'
Maybe
QuoteWell at least you and profitis have stopped making out in public.
LOL, you want to kiss TA in the mouth! And secretly, want to impregnate him? that's hilarious! confused guy.
Please post some more Spirograph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirograph)™ pictures.
Quote from: orbut 3000 on March 15, 2015, 01:36:33 AM
Please post some more Spirograph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirograph)™ pictures.
IF you were a truth seeker instead of an ASSHAT, youd ask WHY and HOW nature MOST fundamental force "draws out" a hypotrochoid
but , you are not one of those, but its ok theyre rare.
Wisdom is its own rewards , and those that have a desire to know ABOVE ALL ELSE, and all else be DAMNED.
Apophasis:'Space has NEVER EVER produced ANYTHING . EVER ;D'
Where do you get such certainty from sir.you're like the certainty-hero of the 21st century. matter was and always will be unbridged to space?always seperate?
So matter is just bundles of wobbly FORCE-FIELD. How can something and nothing exist at same time we might ask with no understanding of the meaning of the words 'something'and 'nothing'..foreverdoomed to be able to only see the relative interaction of the two.never getting any closer to the essence of the two.what's your contribution apophasis except saying that the wobblies are 3-fold instead of 2-fold.you're sending us on a mind-fuck expedition for fun you bastard :)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 15, 2015, 06:34:49 AM
youd ask WHY and HOW nature MOST fundamental force "draws out" a hypotrochoid
I've been asking you to define a vortex in some way that would demonstrate this but so far you seem kind of unable to do so.
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 15, 2015, 04:07:23 PM
I've been asking you to define a vortex in some way that would demonstrate this but so far you seem kind of unable to do so.
He will never be able to do so. All he has is a tiny bit of science knowledge and a talent for insulting anyone who is "too stupid" to understand his genius theories.
To me, anyone who calls Einstein an "idiot" need not tell me anything more about his knowledge, or rather lack thereof.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 15, 2015, 04:36:24 PM
To me, anyone who calls Einstein an "idiot" need not tell me anything more about his knowledge
Tesla said the VERY SAME THING,...........and now what , you rancid stinking idiot? ;D ;D ;D ;D
I assume THEREFORE from your PREMISE, that youre smarter than TESLA?
Wise the fuck up, you petulant little child.
Every goddamn thing EINSTEIN ever said was a REHASH from Poincare' and Boskovich!!
"The secret (to looking smart) is hiding your sources"- Einstein Even his photoelectric effect explanation is WRONG,
His goddamn theories are MORE rejected today than a mere 20 years ago, proving what moron!
Space is NOT a field, NOR a force, it acts on NOTHING.....
Einstein WAS a goddamn idiot.
Quote from: profitis on March 15, 2015, 10:00:54 AM
How can something and nothing exist at same time we might ask with no understanding of the meaning of the words 'something'and 'nothing'..
the ancient Greeks solved that simple issue AGES ago. ;D ;D
its not "something vs. nothing" rather a REIFIED ATTRIBUTE
like WAVES, or ILLUMINATION
These are not Principles, or Subjects , NOR have properties. ;D ;D
Is a wave 'something' ? In the sense of interactions and objectified causation ..........YES
Is a wave SOMETHING, a principle, has its OWN properties, etc etc???.............FUCKING NO.
Comprehending irreducible subjective attribution is the mind screw of
STUPID HAIRY APE-MEN Wiser minds solved this simple shit 1000s and 1000s of YEARS AGO ;D ;D ;D
Apophasis:'Is a wave 'something' ? In the sense of interactions and objectified causation ..........YES
Is a wave SOMETHING, a principle, has its OWN properties, etc etc???.............FUCKING NO.
So what are you saying.is a wave an EFFECT or a THING
Quote from: profitis on March 15, 2015, 05:31:25 PM
So what are you saying.is a wave an EFFECT or a THING
an ATTRIBUTE isnt a causative effect
however a wave is not an appropriate analogy, rather ILLUMINATION is as per LIGHT.
no attribute is a Subject/ Thing/ Principle/ Has-properties OF ITS OWN
obviously and logically so.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 15, 2015, 04:48:16 PM
Tesla said the VERY SAME THING,...........and now what , you rancid stinking idiot? ;D ;D ;D ;D
I assume THEREFORE from your PREMISE, that youre smarter than TESLA?
Wise the fuck up, you petulant little child.
Every goddamn thing EINSTEIN ever said was a REHASH from Poincare' and Boskovich!!
"The secret (to looking smart) is hiding your sources"- Einstein
Even his photoelectric effect explanation is WRONG,
His goddamn theories are MORE rejected today than a mere 20 years ago, proving what moron!
Space is NOT a field, NOR a force, it acts on NOTHING..... Einstein WAS a goddamn idiot.
Need I say more? You just proved my point for me.
Thank you,
Bill
PS I did not claim that I was smarter than Tesla. That was your stawman argument. My claim was that anyone that thinks Einstein was an idiot, is himself an idiot, and you just proved that beyond any doubt. I also predict that you will continue to prove this again, and again.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 15, 2015, 04:48:16 PM
Tesla said the VERY SAME THING,...........
So?
QuoteI assume THEREFORE from your PREMISE, that youre smarter than TESLA?
We've already had this conversation about that other nobody you were on about. Tesla deserves recognition for the things he did but he was also the inferior to a lot of people in a lot of different ways. The only way you can create your pantheon with Tesla at the top is by fabricating a scale and a weighting for various things. Effectively stacking the deck. You could just as easily put Paul Erdős, Claude Shannon or Edsger Dijkstra in the upper echelons Which would, incidentally put me above Tesla.
Quote from: joel321 on March 15, 2015, 01:13:47 AM
LOL, you want to kiss TA in the mouth! And secretly, want to impregnate him? that's hilarious! confused guy.
I think you're protesting a bit too much here. :)
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 15, 2015, 05:47:10 PM
My claim was that anyone that thinks Einstein was an idiot, is himself an idiot,
You just said TESLA WAS AN IDIOT , pathetic moron ;D ;D ;D
or did i misread your word "ANYONE" Need I say more? You just proved my point for me, mental midget
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 15, 2015, 07:05:37 PM
You just said TESLA WAS AN IDIOT , pathetic moron ;D ;D ;D
or did i misread your word "ANYONE"
Need I say more? You just proved my point for me, mental midget
Nice try...you get a cupie doll for your efforts. Thanks for proving me correct Sir. I know that you will continue to do so.
Bill
Apophasis:'Space is NOT a field, NOR a force, it acts on NOTHING..... Einstein WAS a goddamn idiot.'
You are a seperatist I see.seperating space from everything else.so your claim to fame is that space has nothing to do with anything.merely a canvas for existence. your saying that the ONLY thing that truly exists is MATTER/WAVES?
Quote from: profitis on March 15, 2015, 08:02:24 PM
your saying that the ONLY thing that truly exists is MATTER/WAVES?
where did you get that? i said just the opposite.
Apophasis:'where did you get that? i said just the opposite.'
Finish the sentence apophasis: the only thing that exists is .....
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 15, 2015, 07:27:55 PM
Nice try.
It wasnt a TRY , my little c0ck-socket, it was a DIRECT QUOTE ;D
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 15, 2015, 07:27:55 PM
My claim was that anyone that thinks Einstein was an idiot, is himself an idiot,
Ergo..........you just said TESLA WAS AN IDIOT , pathetic moron ;D ;D ;D
Telsa RAILED on Einsteins stupidity with GREAT FURRY ;D ;D of this NOBODY ON EARTH is in doubt.
Thats not a TRY, its a home run, my little fuck-nugget. ::) ;D
"It is inconceivable that inanimate Matter should, without the mediation of something else, which is not material, operate upon, and affect other matter without mutual contact. Gravity should be innate, inherent and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance thru a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else, by and through which their action and course may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking can ever fall into (for) it. Gravity must be caused by an agent acting constantly according to certain laws; but whether this agent be material or immaterial, I have left to the consideration of my readers." - Sir Isaac Newton, Letters to Bentley, 1692
"Supposing that the bodies act upon the surrounding space causing curving of the same, it appears to my simple mind that the curved spaces must react on the bodies, and producing the opposite effects, straightening out the curves. Since action and reaction are coexistent, it follows that the supposed curvature of space is entirely impossible – But even if it existed it would not explain the motions of the bodies as observed. Only the existence of a field of force can account for the motions of the bodies as observed, and its assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are all attempts to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the existence of the Ether and the indispensable function it plays in the phenomena. My second discovery was of a physical truth of the greatest importance. As I have searched the entire scientific records in more than a half dozen languages for a long time without finding the least anticipation, I consider myself the original discoverer of this truth, which can be expressed by the statement: There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment." - N. Tesla - from his never published Dynamic Theory of Gravity
So, I ask rhetorically; there is something else besides the only thing that exists? "I am that, I am" or "I am, that I am"! Particle/wave or wave/particle? Or just always the same thing shaped in infinite ways by ... and interpreted by ...? Only personal reflections!
Sadang:'So, I ask rhetorically; there is something else besides the only thing that exists? "I am that, I am" or "I am, that I am"! Particle/wave or wave/particle?'
Well the uncertainty physicists wont tell me.and now the certainty physicists too it seems! Who will give me a straight answer??!!! Fuck all of you
Quote from: profitis on March 16, 2015, 12:09:28 PM
Sadang:'So, I ask rhetorically; there is something else besides the only thing that exists? "I am that, I am" or "I am, that I am"! Particle/wave or wave/particle?'
Well the uncertainty physicists wont tell me.and now the certainty physicists too it seems! Who will give me a straight answer??!!! Fuck all of you
You forgot the last and most important sentence, namely "
Or just always the same thing shaped in infinite ways by universal... and interpreted by limited... ? Only personal reflections!"
Poor you! You are a poor victim of the current educational system! Probably too old to be able to take it all over again on other foundations! There is no straight answer! Who dare to give you a straight answer, is only a conscious manipulator of the consciousness of others, or a manipulated in his turn. Learn to pay attention to those that suggests ways to follow, not to those who give you answers with certainty or final character. Renounce to wait responses from others and form your own opinion, no matter what others say. Everything that others can tell you is just their opinion, their interpretation, their way of relating to the world and to relate the world to them. The majority fits in the latter category, unfortunately. This is the result of exacerbation of the left brain hemisphere activity to the detriment of the right one. Polarization of thinking, polarization of human society, polarization of human activity and manifestations resulting in the ruthless patriarchy of the last two or three millennia! A total conceptual decadence in the current materialism, and in a circular thinking, of whose circularity most of us are not even aware.
Go back to your own lab, and continue the experiments. Learn to use your entire brain not your entire mouth! You don't need a FLIR camera to understand the magnetism! On the road of real knowledge you are alone. You just intersect with others roads for a while, but you will not follow any of them forever!
Sadang:'Go back to your own lab, and continue the experiments. Learn to use your entire brain not your entire mouth!'
Thanks sadang.back to the lab yes,back to the lab :).hey,you know how to calm me down around this fucked-up thread :)
Quote from: sadang on March 16, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
You forgot the last and most important sentence, namely "Or just always the same thing shaped in infinite ways by universal... and interpreted by limited... ? Only personal reflections!"
Poor you! You are a poor victim of the current educational system! Probably too old to be able to take it all over again on other foundations! There is no straight answer! Who dare to give you a straight answer, is only a conscious manipulator of the consciousness of others, or a manipulated in his turn. Learn to pay attention to those that suggests ways to follow, not to those who give you answers with certainty or final character. Renounce to wait responses from others and form your own opinion, no matter what others say. Everything that others can tell you is just their opinion, their interpretation, their way of relating to the world and to relate the world to them. The majority fits in the latter category, unfortunately. This is the result of exacerbation of the left brain hemisphere activity to the detriment of the right one. Polarization of thinking, polarization of human society, polarization of human activity and manifestations resulting in the ruthless patriarchy of the last two or three millennia! A total conceptual decadence in the current materialism, and in a circular thinking, of whose circularity most of us are not even aware.
Go back to your own lab, and continue the experiments. Learn to use your entire brain not your entire mouth! You don't need a FLIR camera to understand the magnetism! On the road of real knowledge you are alone. You just intersect with others roads for a while, but you will not follow any of them forever!
Why don't you do one useful thing or solve one practical problem with Kenny's magic corkscrew divergent counter-spatial inertial simplex hypotrochoid twisted magnetic pasta noodles?
After all, all that you are doing is looking at the "magic Spirograph" patterns in a glorified microscope slide that consists of tiny magnetic particles in an oil suspension creating reflection and diffraction patterns due to the side illumination from LEDs. Surely you can do something useful or solve some problems or do something practical with that?
MileHigh
A new generation of scientists is pushing Kenny's research all the way out to the outer limits between sanity and insanity.
Frank n Furter
It's all over
Your mission is a failure
Your lifestyle's too extreme
I'm your new commander
You now are my prisoner
We return to Transylvania
Prepare the divergent inertial twisty transit beam....
QuoteAfter all, all that you are doing is looking at the "magic Spirograph" patterns in a glorified microscope slide that consists of tiny magnetic particles in an oil suspension creating reflection and diffraction patterns due to the side illumination from LEDs.
Continue to repeat arrogantly and superficially this and will understand nothing! It's just your own point of view, specific to your way of seeing things. It's just a matter of interpretation!
TheoriaApophasis,
I'm really interested to know if any of the current research is of any use.
NASA has launched four satellites with the aim of studying the magnetic reconnection
that occurs when the Earth's magnetic field meets the Sun's field. Is this all a waste of
time or could it provide useful data?
You keep showing more Ferrocell pictures but it looks as if the effect originates from
the added energy from the lamps. Images like that are only useful if you provide detailed
descriptions of the processes involved, otherwise they're just a novelty. I somehow had
the wrong idea that Ferrocells were made using your patented ferrofluid.
Just give me an idea of the things that embody your patents.
H.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 16, 2015, 04:25:49 PM
After all, all that you are doing is looking at the "magic Spirograph" patterns
MileHigh
Thats not a HYPOTROCHOID in your image, you brain-dead c0ck-socket. ;D ;D ;D ;D
you know NOTHING about projective geometry, youre just a pathetic moron of NO intellectual worth
Quote from: harhaoppisesti on March 16, 2015, 06:07:03 PM
You keep showing more Ferrocell pictures but it looks as if the effect originates from
the added energy from the lamps.
nonsense, SINGLE lamp produces the same effect.
the 'images' are magnetic force divergences and convergences as illustrated by the light.
The light is only illuminating the magnetic force divergences and convergences that are ALREADY THERE
The necessitated reciprocating precessing hyperboloid which IS magnetism of the magnet can ONLY exist under the pressure mediation of a HYPOTROCHOID centrifugal/centripetal vortex.
It CANNOT even exist any other way.
Quote from: sadang on March 16, 2015, 05:17:44 PM
Continue to repeat arrogantly and superficially this and will understand nothing! It's just your own point of view, specific to your way of seeing things. It's just a matter of interpretation!
High for Miles isnt a truth seeker in ANYTHING, hes just a mental midget and disinformation agent.
He plays the role of SNAKE at the fresh waters to passers by
People like him are, INHERENTLY, demonic at their core. Hes scum and even he himself knows it. ;D
Quote from: sadang on March 16, 2015, 05:17:44 PM
Continue to repeat arrogantly and superficially this and will understand nothing!
If you sadang, continue to hyper-arrogantly assert authority on things you clearly don't understand you will never understand anything.
Look, a co-divergent inertial vortex particle trapped during the manufacture of a triangle for a geometry set.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 16, 2015, 06:14:07 PM
nonsense, SINGLE lamp produces the same effect.
the 'images' are magnetic force divergences and convergences as illustrated by the light.
The light is only illuminating the magnetic force divergences and convergences that are ALREADY THERE
A "truth seeker" would consider the following regarding the images produced with a Ferrocell prior to making any claims regarding those images:
Why do the arcs produced by the individual LED's, and the images on the Ferrocell as a whole, appear to change position as the viewing angle is changed?
If the magnet is held stationary, why does the pattern produced rotate with the Ferrocell as the Ferrocell and LED's are rotated?
If the Ferrocell and LED's are held stationary, why does the pattern produced not rotate as the magnet is rotated?
If the Ferrocell and magnet is held stationary, why does the pattern produced rotate with the LED's as the LED's are rotated about the periphery of the Ferrocell?
How does the emission angle of the LED's used affect the arcs produced by those LED's?
Why does illumination of the Ferrocell with a diffuse light source only produce diffuse circular areas and not the complex patterns observed when individual LED's are used?
If the arcs produced in the Ferrocell are truly representative of the shape of the magnet's field, why is the position and quantity of the arcs produced dependent on the position and quantity of the LED's instead of the magnet?
If the pattern produced by the LED's is drawn out on the Ferrocell using a Sharpie and the LED's then removed and replaced with a single, finely collimated laser, and the laser is then rotated about the periphery of the Ferrocell, does the laser produce (trace out) the same pattern as that drawn with the Sharpie?
Alternately, what would the pattern produced look like if a finely collimated beam from a single laser were used for illumination instead of the LED's and the laser then rotated around the periphery of the Ferrocell while a time exposure is made of one complete rotation of the laser?
(With regard to the questions related to relative motion of the Ferrocell, LED's, and magnet, it is assumed that a circular magnet is used and one of its poles is towards the Ferrocell)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypotrochoid
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Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 16, 2015, 06:16:03 PM
People like him are, INHERENTLY, demonic at their core. Hes scum and even he himself knows it. ;D
MH is demonic? People call him all the cool epithets.
(Unless TA's poor Greek is showing again and he meant "demotic")
Quote from: MileHigh on March 16, 2015, 10:43:26 PM
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you idiot asshole, a hypotrochoid as a Hyperboloid 1D formation has nothing to do originally with that goddamn TOY
Now youre just being a fucking idiot.
Quote from: picowatt on March 16, 2015, 09:51:11 PM
If the Ferrocell and LED's are held stationary, why does the pattern produced not rotate as the magnet is rotated?
IT DOES rotate you demented fucking moron. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: picowatt on March 16, 2015, 09:51:11 PM
Why do the arcs produced by the individual LED's, and the images on the Ferrocell as a whole, appear to change position as the viewing angle is changed?
you ARE that dumb arent you? its a holographic view of the flux divergences and convergences.
Quote from: picowatt on March 16, 2015, 09:51:11 PM
If the magnet is held stationary, why does the pattern produced rotate with the Ferrocell as the Ferrocell and LED's are rotated?
both the light and the suspension are being rotated in space UNDER diff force vector flux lines.
HOW DUMB ARE YOU SON?
Quote from: picowatt on March 16, 2015, 09:51:11 PM
If the Ferrocell and magnet is held stationary, why does the pattern produced rotate with the LED's as the LED's are rotated about the periphery of the Ferrocell?
the LONGITUDAL rays of light are being moved IN SPACE under diff flux divergences.
how FUCKING DUMB ARE YOU?
Quote from: picowatt on March 16, 2015, 09:51:11 PM
Why does illumination of the Ferrocell with a diffuse light source only produce diffuse circular areas and not the complex patterns observed when individual LED's are used?
same reason more illumination = more illumination of a complex structure
Did you drop out of preschool or something? ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: picowatt on March 16, 2015, 09:51:11 PM
If the arcs produced in the Ferrocell are truly representative of the shape of the magnet's field, why is the position and quantity of the arcs produced dependent on the position and quantity of the LED's instead of the magnet?
They ARENT
Youre nothing but a goddamn STOOGE ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 16, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
you idiot asshole, a hypotrochoid as a Hyperboloid 1D formation has nothing to do originally with that goddamn TOY
Now youre just being a fucking idiot.
No it isn't, it's an analog computer.
I would like to see a video with the Ferrocell, LED's and camera being held stationary while a circular magnet, positioned in the center of the Ferrocell, is rotated about the center its axis. Surely the pattern would remain fixed with respect to the Ferrocell.
As time permits, I hope to replicate and answer the questions raised.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 16, 2015, 10:43:26 PM
bullshit blah blah blah about a FUCKING TOY
Go learn what PROJECTIVE GEOMETRY is
then GO LEARN what the Poincare' disk model is
IDIOT
demonic at their core
lol
We have a machine that can send you out in a burst of gamma rays. Then you can merge with the vortex itself!
Quote from: picowatt on March 16, 2015, 11:33:32 PM
I would like to see a video with the Ferrocell, LED's and camera being held stationary while a circular magnet, positioned in the center of the Ferrocell, is rotated about the center its axis. Surely the pattern would remain fixed with respect to the Ferrocell.
As time permits, I hope to replicate and answer the questions raised.
there is no such BS as "circular" magnets. ;D ;D
one ASSUMES you mean DISK MAGNET, or RING MAGNET
are you fucking kidding????? ;D ;D
Ive already made a DOZEN SUCH VIDEOS
shit, MORE THAN A DOZEN
edit, ditto
PW
Quote
If the arcs produced in the Ferrocell are truly representative of the shape of the magnet's
field, why is the position and quantity of the arcs produced dependent on the position and
quantity of the LED's instead of the magnet?
TA
Quote
They ARENT
Are you saying that a single LED can produce the same pattern of many arcs as is produced
with a large number of LED's?
Surely a single LED will only produce a single arc, or arc set, and if that single LED is moved
about the periphery of the Ferrocell, the single arc, or arc set, will also move, that is, follow,
the LED.
Additionally, as the number of LED's is increased, surely the number of arcs, or arc sets,
produced increases as well.
Possibly your response of "they aren't" was more so with regard to whether the patterns
produced are truly representative of the shape of the magnet's field.
TA,
If you would, please post a link to a video of you rotating a magnet as described with all else fixed.
And yes, a cylindrical rod, disc, or ring magnet has a circular cross section, and it is assumed in the discussion
that the magnet's field is oriented such that the poles of the magnet are on the circular faces.
From this Wiki posted/quoted by both PW and TA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypotrochoid
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The classic Spirograph toy traces out hypotrochoid and epitrochoid curves.
Bold emphasis mine.
So what is the argument?
Quote from: picowatt on March 17, 2015, 12:18:47 AM
From this Wiki posted/quoted by both PW and TA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypotrochoid
Bold emphasis mine.
So what is the argument?
really?
Hes making a reference to a goddamn TOY
Im referring to complex projective geometry IRRESPECTIVE of a some fucking goddamn TOY
The
reciprocating precessional hyperboloid (copyright 11-2014 Ken Wheeler), ........which "draws out" the HYPOTROCHOID is the lowest pressure expression of magnetic force divergence / convergence.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 17, 2015, 01:43:03 AM
The reciprocating precessional hyperboloid (copyright 11-2014 Ken Wheeler), ...
LOL (© 03-2015 Orbut3000)
Quote from: orbut 3000 on March 17, 2015, 01:47:00 AM
LOL (© 03-2015 Orbut3000)
Yes, its my discovery, and i dont have 300+ pages to add "for nothing" to the book.
likewise, its both irreducible, and irrefutable.
It may "sound" complex, but its divinely SIMPLEX ,
simple? NO, simplex? YES , 100%
Quote from: picowatt on March 16, 2015, 11:33:32 PM
I would like to see a video with the Ferrocell, LED's and camera being held stationary while a circular magnet, positioned in the center of the Ferrocell, is rotated about the center its axis. Surely the pattern would remain fixed with respect to the Ferrocell.
As time permits, I hope to replicate and answer the questions raised.
- here is the youtube channel of Michael Snyder
--- https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos)
- here is the youtube channel of Theoria Apophasis
--- https://www.youtube.com/user/kathodosdotcom/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/kathodosdotcom/videos)
- here is the youtube channel of Timm Vanderelli
--- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzWO-iSvkLCxjzcTrEIizhg/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzWO-iSvkLCxjzcTrEIizhg/videos)
That's the right path, to replicate their work, to understand their how and why, and to develop your own point of view based on your own stock of knowledge. Stop believing blindly what others say. Does not help you with anything just believing without understanding! The irrefutable finality is you will end up shaping their world as they want, and not your own world as you want. Ie you will be manipulated! Were enough over 2000 years of "believe and don't research".
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Its a holographic view of the flux divergences and convergences.
A true hologram contains very real depth information derived from actually
measuring, probing, or synthesizing, position and depth related information
from a 3D object.
An optical system that presents the illusion of depth may appear "holographic",
but without reconstruction of real depth derived information, they are not true
holograms and the perceived depth is merely an illusion.
The Ferrocell only intersects a single plane of the applied magnetic field, There
is no depth information with regard to the applied magnetic field being detected by
that single plane of the Ferrocell. The Ferrocell presents only an illusion of depth,
it is not reconstructing or displaying depth derived information.
Quote from: picowatt on March 17, 2015, 03:30:22 AM
A true hologram contains very real depth information derived from actually
measuring, probing, or synthesizing, position and depth related information
from a 3D object.
you stoooopid bastard. ;D ;D ;D ;D The light is 'relaying' GENUINE depth
If you had your midget hands ON a ferrocell, youd see DEPTH that makes the best holograms on earth ( AND I COLLECT PROFESSIONAL HOLOGRAMS AND AM FRIENDS WITH THE USA BEST MAKER OF ART-GRADE HOLOGRAMS) look like SHIT by comparison.
Quote from: picowatt on March 17, 2015, 03:30:22 AM
The Ferrocell presents an illusion of depth,
but is not reconstructing depth derived information.
ASSHOLE , all of magnetism is a
FUCKING ILLUSION of inertia!!!!!!!You win the GOLDEN DIPSHIT AWARD for that one !!!100% of the visible fucking goddamn UNIVERSE and its ILLUSION of mass / space /time etc. ....... is due to ONE THING , and ONE THING ONLY = MAGNETISM
There is no depth derived information reconstructed by the Ferrocell.
If you are familiar with holograms, and how they are made, you will surely
understand that unlike a true hologram, what is happening above or below
the detection plane of the Ferrocell is not detected or reconstructed by the Ferrocell.
The Ferrocell only detects the field vectors of the applied magnetic field at
the single plane of that magnetic field intersected by the Ferrocell.
The perceived depth is only an illusion unrelated to the magnetic field above
or below the Ferrocell..
Quote from: picowatt on March 17, 2015, 03:51:29 AM
The perceived depth is only an illusion
you demented fucknugget, you miss the point , ALL of magnetism IS an ILLUSION of inertia ;D ;D
everything you PERCEIVE in the fucking cosmos, ala TIME and SPACE is a mirage of a posterior attribute of magnetism.
The biggest illusion the past few pages is that you have MORE than a few brain cells to rub together. ;D ;D
"Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge; dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification."
When people will begin to understand what really is the Ether and how they relate to it and viceversa, will stop using almost all current concepts as they are now defined, and developed in an empty space thinking paradigm. An empty space which has to be filled with something (abstract/mathematical concepts as elementary particles, virtual particles, waves, fields and so on) to describe, interpret and further try to explain the observed phenomena. Why this way and not another? This have to be a theme of personal study.
Sadang:'Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge; dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification."
What does he mean by 'ether' sadang.ether=space?vaccuum?
Picowatt:'There is no depth derived information reconstructed by the Ferrocell.'
All these issues couldve been resolved if apophasis were to re-do the bismuth experiment for us.the bismuth experiment is the only one offered here that could hope to detect this 'reciprocating vortex' in its raw,naked state without interference.
What other experiments have you got up your sleeve apophasis.show us the ones that rule out lenz-law
QuoteWhat does he mean by 'ether' sadang.ether=space?vaccuum?
No, there is no space or vacuum! You were mislead to see the space as something empty and external to your own being. You also are Ether! Everything known and yet unknown to human mind is Ether! But your question emphasize the fact that you did not read his book, and many other books about Ether of the earlier 20th century. What is the Ether you have to understand by your own study, not believing me or other. Otherwise, any claim made by me or others regarded the Ether will sound as madness! And please, stop asking here questions just for the sake to ask, and lean on personal study, or you will never learn anything.
Quote from: sadang on March 17, 2015, 07:00:49 AM
No, there is no space or vacuum! You were mislead to see the space as something empty and external to your own being. You also are Ether!
Especially between your ears.
QuoteEverything known and yet unknown to human mind is Ether! But your question emphasize the fact that you did not read his book, and many other books about Ether of the earlier 20th century.
So according to the absolute authority of sadnag you can learn something from reading a book but.....
QuoteAnd please, stop asking here questions just for the sake to ask, and lean on personal study, or you will never learn anything.
Not by asking a question and then reading the answer? Even though the person answering could just re-type the answer from the book. The only way that could be true is if the book doesn't answer all relevant questions. Why would anyone waste their time with religious know-nothings.
Sadang:'No, there is no space or vacuum! You were mislead to see the space as something empty and external to your own being. You also are Ether! Everything known and yet unknown to human mind is Ether!'
Bingo sadang.so again comes the limits of human perception,same as the relativists.the relativists call this ether the 'dirac sea' or 'zero-point' or simply 'the vaccuum'.same thing different names.but ok let's try to help apophasis reveal this oscillating vortex in its naked form because if he can do this then the world will change.there's going to be a problem if the frequency of this 'vortex oscillation flipping' is too fast to be able to detect
@profitis
There is no existing "true vacuum". not even in space. Man has thus far been able to achieve creation of a true vacuum.
We find that everywhere, there is "something". Even in extremely low-pressure areas.
"Ether" is considered to be the medium of space, through which all things propagate.
That substance, which restricts the velocity of "c", the stuff through which EMF radiates, etc..
Einstein subscribes to this during most of his career, only abandoning the concept, when he could not "prove" that it tangibly existed. and Even today, we cannot find a way to interact with it discernibly,
but certain commonly accepted theories could not exist without it.
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as per diamagnetism... in bismuth, or any other diamagnetic, there is absolutely no difference between this and normal ferromagnetism. Except that the substances polarize in the opposite orientation, due to their magnetic permeability being less than that of free space (ether, U0, etc...)
Bismuth is not the best material to demonstrate this, due to its planar domain being scattered.
[ It is only viable when you heat the bismuth above its curie temperature, then cool it slowly, in a strong magnetic field.]
Most other diamagnetics can be examined using two magnetic fields of different strength.
the stronger field will induce an opposing polarity in the diamagnetic, the lesser field is ATTRACTED to the substance, by opposite polarities in the opposing side of the magnetic domain. Test this with ice, and N52 neos, or antimony, or if you can get something cold enough,.. a superconductor.
In my opinion, magnetic vortices are the result of multiple field interactions, and not an inherent quality of the magnetic field itself.
Smoky2:'In my opinion, magnetic vortices are the result of multiple field interactions, and not an inherent quality of the magnetic field itself.'
Thanks smoky.this is my feeling too but imagine it could be somehow demonstratedly proved as an inherent quality of the magetic field itself.would be amazing.
QuoteBingo sadang.so again comes the limits of human perception,same as the relativists.the relativists call this ether the 'dirac sea' or 'zero-point' or simply 'the vaccuum'.same thing different names.
You again made an interpretation of my words according to your own way of thinking. Is nothing bad in this, but you still don't sense the deep meaning of what I want to say. What is the most important and immediate thing you have to comprehend related to the Ether, is that it is not something external of you. After will understand this deep aspect, will understand also that your previous phrase quoted by me, expose the erroneous way of thinking of at least 200 years if not more than that, because it is based on a deep and unconscious (but consciously educated by others) way of seeing the vacuum as something external, regardless of the name which has been assigned over time.
Not the name used for it is the problem, but the fact that is seen as something separate from our own existence. This is the main problem. And this mental sickness can be seen all around us through destruction, in our triumphant attitude to conquer and master the forces of Nature. Why their conquest and mastering and not understanding and expression of and in harmony with them? In the end, their manifestation defining our own existence! Reply to these fundamental questions first and let Ken bismuth alone! You have too much to recover to touch Ken's deep understanding!
All the above represent my way of seeing things. Not an ultimate truth or an immutable answer, as some try to put in my mouth words and meanings only by they concocted. Definitely, from their dogmatic arrogance!
Sadang' let Ken bismuth alone!'
I cannot let ken's bismuth alone sadang.it was presented to the people of the world on this forum and then suddenly withdrawn and I want to know why it was withdrawn.why do I smell deception sadang?
we did some experiments years back, wherein a magnetic field was projected in a linear fashion, to distances upwards of 17 meters, with no detectable return path.
Most people assume that all magnetic fields are "looped". And in most cases this can be demonstrated, that the field does in fact circle back onto itself, north terminating at the south end, and vice versa.
But this is not always necessarily the case, as the magnetic effect can be made to continue in a straight path, similar to a beam of light.
When this occurs, field equations break down, the reduction in strength is no longer consistent with an exponential decrease with distance, and a magnetic-beam or ray theory may be then applicable.
@sm0ky2:
Can you share how that "magnetic-beam" experiment was conducted? Or isn't that information available to share?
I'm just thinking that if some of us knew HOW to generate a directional (non-looping) magnetic field it might lead to some further experimental developments. . .
Thanks and respectfully,
truesearch
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 17, 2015, 09:06:54 AM
we did some experiments years back, wherein a magnetic field was projected in a linear fashion, to distances upwards of 17 meters, with no detectable return path.
Most people assume that all magnetic fields are "looped". And in most cases this can be demonstrated, that the field does in fact circle back onto itself, north terminating at the south end, and vice versa.
But this is not always necessarily the case, as the magnetic effect can be made to continue in a straight path, similar to a beam of light.
When this occurs, field equations break down, the reduction in strength is no longer consistent with an exponential decrease with distance, and a magnetic-beam or ray theory may be then applicable.
You simply did not question the results of your own experiments. That happens all the time around here. There is no chance at all that you observed what you are stating. The experiment was years ago, so I assume that you can't repeat it now.
Quote from: truesearch on March 17, 2015, 09:34:03 AM
@sm0ky2:
Can you share how that "magnetic-beam" experiment was conducted? Or isn't that information available to share?
I'm just thinking that if some of us knew HOW to generate a directional (non-looping) magnetic field it might lead to some further experimental developments. . .
Thanks and respectfully,
truesearch
I like to think about it more like a 'laser pointer', than a field....
If I remember correctly, I think it was part of the Tri-Force series of threads... I'll try to dig it up when I have some time..
Basically, a magnetic circuit (assembly of individual magnets) constricted the fields in all but one domain.
The result was a linear projection beam of magnetism in one direction, that stretched across a long distance, to affect a magnet on the other side of the room, but only as a straight-line (particle?). There was no detectable field outside this propagation, and its opposing pole was not detected.
For instance, if we shot a North pole across the room, it could affect a magnet on the other side of the room in that direction.
However, there was not found, a corresponding south pole on the other side,
nor was there detected a return path (loop, side fields, etc.) to indicate that the magnetism returned to its' source.
Also, the total distance the magnetism extended to, was exponentially greater than the detectable field distance of all magnets assembled in a line in normal fashion ( i.e.: <-n-s-n-s-n-s-n-s-> )
To me, this indicated a particle-like behavior of the magnetic effect.
Very much like when the wave function of a photon packet breaks down.
Rather than the magnetic field interfering with itself, creating wave-like patterns back to source, (radiation)
The effect seemed to stretch out and continue in a straight line. (beam)
@sm0ky2:
Thanks for that info. I'd be interested in seeing what else you come up with (when you have time).
That description reminds me alittle of a halbach array (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halbach_array).
later,
truesearch
Quote from: truesearch on March 17, 2015, 10:49:42 AM
@sm0ky2:
Thanks for that info. I'd be interested in seeing what else you come up with (when you have time).
That description reminds me alittle of a halbach array (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halbach_array).
later,
truesearch
kind of, yes. but only one end is open. Its basically the same effect that makes the halbach increase in strength, but arranged to project in a straight line, instead of a "field".
I'm not finding much in terms of the old Tri-Force videos, most are now removed from youtube, and a lot of the other websites have since gone out of business. Grateful this one survives the test of time....
I have some magnets coming in the mail soon, so if I can't find one of the videos, i'll reproduce the effect and post it here.
It would be interesting if we could explain how it relates to our current magnetic field theory.
I suppose it is possible for a "vortex" to exist, even in this arrangement, but without an observable return-path, we have no point of reference.....
also, important to note, that those experiments debunk the PM-Theory of monopoles... one pole has the same effect another magnets as a dipole, when you face one pole towards the other magnet. Either repulsion, or attraction.
The difference being, in the magnetic "beam/ray", the magnetism does not increase exponentially as you get closer to the source.
so, while a magnet may turn towards, or even move towards the beam, the increase in acceleration as it gets closer, is not as extreme as you would expect from a normal field.
Smoky2:'The difference being, in the magnetic "beam/ray", the magnetism does not increase exponentially as you get closer to the source.'
Interesting.perhaps a massive hysteresis of the duo-poles folding and stretched into what appears as one?
@sm0ky2
I suppose you talk about these kind of magnetic experiments, which for me seems to be more close related to Howard Johnson or Eric Laithwaite work, first with linear magnetic motor and the second with the electromagentic linear motor (the father of MagLev):
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKCsKoLEf5A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKCsKoLEf5A)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt0zoHy46uo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt0zoHy46uo)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnMSSz7W8YU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnMSSz7W8YU)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVLzYbkPlh4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVLzYbkPlh4)
or here on overunity.com, someone tried a discussion on this theme in 2008:
- http://www.overunity.com/4334/triforce-track-idea/nowap/ (http://www.overunity.com/4334/triforce-track-idea/nowap/)
But also pay attention that they both tried in the first time to udnerstand what really is magnetism, beyond the hypotesis, theoretical concepts, axioms, postulates and other human mental abstractions! This should be the main reason to play with magnets! As I also do in my spare time!
Quote from: sadang on March 17, 2015, 12:02:15 PM
they both tried in the first time to udnerstand what really is magnetism, beyond the hypotesis, theoretical concepts, axioms, postulates and other human mental abstractions!
Yes abstractions like those pesky words sandag keeps using. LOL.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 17, 2015, 09:06:54 AM
we did some experiments years back, wherein a magnetic field was projected in a linear fashion, to distances upwards of 17 meters, with no detectable return path.
Most people assume that all magnetic fields are "looped". And in most cases this can be demonstrated, that the field does in fact circle back onto itself, north terminating at the south end, and vice versa.
But this is not always necessarily the case, as the magnetic effect can be made to continue in a straight path, similar to a beam of light.
When this occurs, field equations break down, the reduction in strength is no longer consistent with an exponential decrease with distance, and a magnetic-beam or ray theory may be then applicable.
This is where you have FAILED MENTALLY
your confusion is WELL understood, and i made a video on this "MENTAL DEFECT"
All magnetic flux lines are CLOSED LOOPS
however you ACCURATELY observe their effects at distance,........ but this is NO DIFFERENT than an idiot flapping his arms in the OCEAN (the ETHER), and causing perturbations AT A DISTANCE
but the idiots arms are only so long..........the preturbations are just that, FIELD PERTURBATIONS.
I know and understand your mental DEFECT on this observation. I understand it . However YOUR CONCLUSION on same is wrong. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 17, 2015, 11:31:23 AM
I suppose it is possible for a "vortex" to exist, even in this arrangement, but without an observable return-path, we have no point of reference.....
THERE IS an observable return path, its seen EASILY in the phase shift of the light. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So, nonsense there
also the biological experiments are 100% reproducible, there is unquestionable polar phase shift.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 17, 2015, 11:31:23 AM
also, important to note, that those experiments debunk the PM-Theory of monopoles... one pole has the same effect another magnets as a dipole, when you face one pole towards the other magnet. Either repulsion, or attraction.
the notion of FORCE ATTRACTION is INSANE, likewise with repulsion, which would be additive
There is no such goddamn thing as "magnetic attraction" or repulsion.
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Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 17, 2015, 07:59:04 AM
In my opinion, magnetic vortices are the result of multiple field interactions, and not an inherent quality of the magnetic field itself.
youre confusing the denotation of the term MAGNETISM (dipolar nature of all atomic matter from every end of the atomic scale) ....... with that of the MAGNET (coherent polarized mass of atomic or molecular aggregation)
likewise, like EVERYONE ELSE, you dont know what the term
POLARITY MEANS or IMPLIES either in denotation or connotation.
A magnet NOR magnetism in denotation "HAS POLES" ;D ;D ;D, only the projection INVERSE TO COUNTERSPACE (= inertia / Ether).
Apophasis:'THERE IS an observable return path, its seen EASILY in the phase shift of the light. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D'
You've bent light with magnetism?
Apophasis:'also the biological experiments are 100% reproducible, there is unquestionable polar phase shift.'
This is far from unquestionable.MHDis a wellknown lenz effect
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 17, 2015, 10:40:08 AM
Basically, a magnetic circuit (assembly of individual magnets) constricted the fields in all but one domain.
The result was a linear projection beam of magnetism in one direction, that stretched across a long distance, to affect a magnet on the other side of the room, but only as a straight-line (particle?). There was no detectable field outside this propagation, and its opposing pole was not detected.
Pyramidal magnets do the SAME thing, but there exists NO LINEAR MAGNETIC projection, such is 100% IMPOSSIBLE
what however does happen is concentrated FIELD perturbations, like an idiot flapping his arms in the pool
Pyramid magnet, TOP OF HYPERBOLA is constricted by the dielectric boundary of the physical magnet
@ Sadang
right series of discussions, but it was after we got bored with the "linear gates", we started assembling the magnets into spinners of all sorts. That is when the effect was discovered by one of the members here.
I lost my lab, so im having to re-gather supplies and whatnot.
My cubes should be here tomorrow, and i'll try to produce something I can share with the class...
If that doesn't work, i'll pick up a can of the Magnetix toys and figure out how we built the original thingy...
@ TA
sorry, didn't mean to set off your psychosis......
That was just my description of the observable effects using the commonly accepted terminology for the experience....
When I refer to "magnetism", what I mean is the effect contained within and around the magnet, or electromagnet, inductor, conductor, ferromagnetic material, or sometimes radiated from other etherical events.
The term "Magnet" is the object that permanently contains the effect. ( or produces it atomically, depending on your perspective)
The usage of those terms the way I did in the discussion, was to distinguish the linear projection of the effect, from the magnet itself. because at that point in space, it was WELL BEYOND the (effective) field domains of the magnets, and it's behavior is not in accordance with the normal magnetic experience.
The "poles" referred to North and South labeling of the magnets. This is a necessary convention, regardless of the theory being discussed... Indismissably, There are equal and opposite experiences between the two polarities, and knowing which one we are dealing with can help.
By the way, the pyramid magnet is real close to the arrangement that produces the effect I was trying to explain.
If you add a cylindrical magnet to the tip of the pyramid, it just might produce the long range effect.
"Sorry, didn't mean to set off your psychosis"
That's got to be the best quote from the whole 230 odd pages!!
H.
QuoteYou simply did not question the results of your own experiments. That happens all the time
around here. There is no chance at all that you observed what you are stating. The experiment was
years ago, so I assume that you can't repeat it now.
Is anybody home? This whole recent discussion has been a farce.
Kenny, can you please resume resizing your images and work with the collective whole on this forum?
Can you demonstrate mutual respect and cooperation with the people on this forum at least when
it comes to resizing your images before you upload them?
Quote from: MileHigh on March 17, 2015, 08:50:49 PM
Kenny, can you please resume resizing your images and work with the collective whole on this forum?
Can you demonstrate mutual respect and cooperation with the people on this forum at least when
it comes to resizing your images before you upload them?
@MH
That would require a brain set at human mode and not vortexian mode.
Actually, it's not his fault because the images he posts are of the right normal size but once they arrive on the
thread they get boosted by the vortexian counterspacial angular expansionist effect that all images
have when they have been adorned with @TAsian constructs. To simplify the explanation - they're over-bloated. hahaha
@all
Four simple questions.............
Question 1: If this is a magnetic vortex effect and since vortexes in this universe are know to be spinning entities,
what is the rpm of this magnetic vortex and do all magnets have the same rpm?
Question 2: If you rotate a bicycle wheel, at what rpm will the human eye stop being able to see the spokes turning
and only see a blur?
Question 3: Did @TA see the hypotrochoid with his own eyes or was it only visible with a fast action camera?
Question 4: If the magnetic vortex is strong enough to make physical ferrofluid shapes or manipulate physical
magnet paper atoms to physically align and produce those effects, why is it not strong enough to produce the real
anticipated result of such a spinning force and that is, it should only produce a blur if the force is a dynamic vortex
versus a static central force?
Before, or, in case @TA tries to answer any of these, let me first open the OU.com Virtual Toilet because we all know
@TA has a major problem with Verbal Incontinence. UV lights on, turbo-fan on, toilet seat down, seat belt
anchored, ready for discharge. hohoho
wattsup
Interesting questions @wattsup.what would possibly be the frequency of such a vortex if it exists.the FREQUENCY.the FREQUENCY.this all-important aspect has been neglected all through entire thread.why has it been neglected I ask myself.why.why.
And again I declare ,as an observent for fine details,why if a gravity field can be just a static blur of a field,why can't a magnet possess exactly such a static blur of a field,why must a magnets field be oscillating..this has to be addressed
@profitis
This is basically what @picowatt posted a few pages back about being responsible for the theories you wish to convey to others, the theory has to work with everything that it touches near or far.
wattsup
Precisely @wattsup.too many loose ends here.too many unadressed issues.plus the bismuth expo was withdrawn.the bismuth expo was withdrawn.this sudden withdrawl came as a shock to me.apophasis raped many men with this thread and may continue to do so
Quote from: wattsup on March 18, 2015, 01:55:57 PM
This is basically what @picowatt posted a few pages back about being responsible for the theories you wish to convey to others, the theory has to work with everything that it touches near or far.
which it DOES, son.
Im not responsible for your OWN PERSONAL ignorances and booze-riddled mind of swiss cheese and convoluted bullshit you THINK is "logical"
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 18, 2015, 04:14:46 PM
which it DOES, son.
Im not responsible for your OWN PERSONAL ignorances
But you are responsible for talking like Foghorn Legorn and enormous images that SeaMonkey would be proud of.
Quote from: wattsup on March 18, 2015, 08:56:34 AM
Four simple questions.............
Question 1: If this is a magnetic vortex effect and since vortexes in this universe are know to be spinning entities,
what is the rpm of this magnetic vortex and do all magnets have the same rpm?
Question 2: If you rotate a bicycle wheel, at what rpm will the human eye stop being able to see the spokes turning
and only see a blur?
Question 3: Did @TA see the hypotrochoid with his own eyes or was it only visible with a fast action camera?
Question 4: If the magnetic vortex is strong enough to make physical ferrofluid shapes or manipulate physical
magnet paper atoms to physically align and produce those effects, why is it not strong enough to produce the real
anticipated result of such a spinning force and that is, it should only produce a blur if the force is a dynamic vortex
versus a static central force?
1) Beyond the assumption that a vortex is the correct description of magnetism, There are too many additional assumptions that must be made for me to look at it from that perspective. So I will skip this question for now...
2) The blur RPM will vary from human to human, given the difference in the optical response time. Generally there is a range
of velocity which humans can perceive, before it just becomes a "blur" or appears as a solid object/line/etc....
Also, there is "apparent movement", this is when a series of stationary images, or periodicity of pulses which the eye + brain will see as movement, when in fact, what is being observed is not in motion relative to the observer.
3) If he did, he should be easily able to teach us how to replicate this experiment and "visually" see this for ourselves. From what I understand from his books, videos, and what he talks about in here, this is just his (conceptual) theory.
4) This can be a complicated issue. If the vortex is an actual process of magnetism, and if it is I am not convinced that it is the
ONLY process that magnetism can undergo..... but IF it is a process:: things like magnetic viewing paper, or particles of ferrous material, chunks of iron, etc. we also have the induction effects to deal with, which means the particles will align themselves, not only to the field effect, but also to EACH OTHER !!! this could prevent the observation of the "active" vortices.
We can take this down all the way to the atomic scale, where we have a negative charge circling a positive charge, creating a magnetic dipole effect. These particles are interacting in such a manner, as that could produce a vortex. So I am not prepared to entirely dismiss this theory out of hand. but we need more information.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 18, 2015, 05:44:17 PM
4) This can be a complicated issue. If the vortex is an actual process of magnetism
You, like everyone else,..... thinks the term VORTEX is some magic word and refers to something REMARKABLE and Unicorn-level "unusual" ;D ;D ;D
a precessional hyperboloid CREATES a Vortex
of THIS FACT, none on earth can deny. NOT ONE.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 18, 2015, 05:44:17 PM
but IF it is a process::
Force and motion (centrifugal magnetic divergence) is DENOTATIVELY PROCESS as defined by the attributional creation of space and a PHASE SHIFT measured IN TIME.
PROCESS has no clearer definition.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 18, 2015, 05:44:17 PM
ONLY process that magnetism can undergo.....
You might as well posit that water is "likely to also run uphill in flow" ;D
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 18, 2015, 05:44:17 PM
we also have the induction effects to deal with
NO
Electromagnetic induction is the production of an electromotive force across a conductor when it is exposed to a varying magnetic field flux
The reciprocating magnetic field, unless varied in compound with respect to time , there is no induction of a "stationary" magnet upon a "conductor"
(there is however low magnetic permeability heating from close proximity diamagnetic materials / elements).
the stationary magnet is not MOVING, and therefore pressure mediation does not APPLY to create a VARIED change in magnetic flux densities and phase shifts which cause induction.
while the field IS moving and reciprocating, it is not varied in compound with respect to time to cause induction.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 18, 2015, 10:24:06 PM
the term VORTEX is some magic word and refers to something REMARKABLE and Unicorn-level "unusual"
This is part of your psychosis, not what I stated nor implied.
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Electromagnetic induction is the production of an electromotive force across a conductor when it is exposed to a varying magnetic field flux
Apparently you need clarification
Note that there is no "electro" prefix attached to the term I used.
induction - referring to MAGNETIC induction : the effect which occurs when placing a ferromagnetic, or paramagnetic material into a magnetic field.
An internal magnetic field is INDUCED in the material, due to atomic-magnetic field-domain alignment.
This is the effect which causes pieces of iron, etc. to align themselves into a "pattern" when you apply a magnetic field.
Whether permanent or temporary, such induction would be resistant to any internal movements (or vortex) of the applied field.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 18, 2015, 11:06:40 PM
An internal magnetic field is INDUCED in the material, due to atomic-magnetic field-domain alignment.
that is not the case, rather COHERENCY of the induced atomic object is/has/ occurring
every ATOM in the FING universe has its INTER-ATOMIC radius in Picometers SOLELY DUE TO MAGNETISM
Magnetic INDUCTION from outside this mass or atom is only causing resultant COHERENCY from the applied field of the matter or mass "BEING INDUCED"
Your insane premise supposes that no magnetic field EXISTED before induction, and THAT IS INSANE ;D ;D ;D
Typically as is the case of the conventional understanding of magnetism, the creation of a magnet is not the 'aligning of domains'
however in microscopy this phenomena is seen as validated. The reality is rather that (see diagrams below) the incommensurability of
self-similarity within any and all magnets in creation creates inertial plane accelerations in every one of the trillions of atoms making
up the now electrified mass that is a "magnet". Acting as a single coherent body, the in phase electro-geometric nature of the new
"magnet" self-centers both the dielectric inertial plane at the spatial middle of the magnet as conjugated against and maximum
distance between either end of CW or CCW magnetic circulations, or rotations. Then the question remains, 'how does a magnet
'know' how to self-center the dielectric inertial plane after it has been electrified in the creation of this new magnet?'
The reason for this dielectric inertial self-centering is due to the conjugate magnetism resultant from electrification which causes
dielectric capacitance in the iron or iron compound which thereby expels a polarized Ether phenomena that begins decelerationreciprocation
at the spatial boundary (centrifugally) of the physical magnet. This inverse spatial-counterspatial conjugation (never one
without the other as is the case of all forms of magnetism) centers (rather concentrates, since the incommensurability of the dielectric
is at every 'point' along the "magnet") in phase the dielectric inertial plane at the physical centerline of the magnet as pressure and
field conjugations are always lowest-pressure seeking 'mechanisms'. In cannot exist any other way, logically, electro-geometrically,
and likewise this is evidenced from both experimentation which is undeniable by any, however explanations are lacking by all, until
now.
It is not the case to think that one has created in electrification, a "dielectric or magnetic laser (coherent phasing)" per-se (however
analogously this is rather accurate) rather it is the case that the self-aligning incommensurability of conjugate field geometry is
necessitated, logical, and cannot exist in any other manner, likewise this ordering (see further down below diagrams and explanations)
is identical to AC line magneto-dielectric geometry. Seeing things incorrectly from the side of magnetism "being made coherent or
aligned" in creating a "magnet" is incorrect, the resultant is accurate, but the chain of causation is utterly in error.
We might say, in a perfect analogy that taking 5 toy gyroscopes and spinning them up, before which they lay in a variegated
manner with their respective axles and felly-inertial hubs/rims pointing in various directions representing the pre-'magnet' mass
(however as is the case of the interatomic these 'gyroscopes' [not literally of course] of magneto-dielectric volumes are ever-moving
but ARE IN inter-atomic equalization in lowest-pressure states [unless of course it's a naturally occurring loadstone]); that in spinning
these gyroscopes up they will all stand on end with their respective axles all pointing in the same direction. These axles of course
represent the Z-axis spatially expanding and reciprocating polarized magnetism, and the driver, the impetus for all of this, the
gyroscopic flywheel, the true 'heavyweight' (in more ways than one) is the dielectric inertial plane which has been spun up (in
capacitance) from electrification.
Now, in a toy gyroscope, the flywheel is attached to the axle and one spins up the axle first, however the professional larger
gyroscopes are spun up by the flywheel only, which is the correct analogy of the creation of a "magnet". A magnet is not a magnet; it
is a dielectric object (explained in full below) with conjugated magnetism resultantly in the chain of magneto-dielectric causation,
dielectricity (in every way explained further on) is prima causa, naturally, rationally, and absolutely undeniably so, however obviously
co-eternal conjugate principles resultantly in electrification; where there is one there is the other (only in the case of the permanent
magnet and other AC / DC phenomena). However in the magneto-dielectric gyroscopic analogy, the axle and flywheel never meet at
their intersection points. Coherent phasing in the creation of a magnet by accelerating (by capacitance) the dielectric inertial plane
necessitates both dielectric and magnetic pressure gradient phasing, self-centering and circular polarized magnetic reciprocation in the
electrified mass.
So how do trillions and trillions of atoms in the mass of the 'magnet' self-align their magneto-dielectric fields? The same way 5
autonomous gyroscopes having been spun up align their flywheels in perfect synchronous manners and their axles likewise; X,Y, and
Z axis points between magneto-dielectricity in the creation of a magnet align by pressure gradients and dielectro-inertial gradients the
same way our gyroscopes analogy lines up all three axis point vectors. The true and ONLY power in both the gyroscope model and
the model of the 'magnet' is the flywheel, which is 90% of the weight of a gyroscope, and 90% of the power in any and every
"magnet" ever created. Now one begs to ask, if a magnet is 90% dielectricity, why do we call it a "magnet"? Very simple, dielectricity
is counterspatial, is centripetal, is inertial and does not act on (most) other phenomena, the resultant magnetism however IS spatial, IS
centrifugal (and centripetal), IS radiative, and IS polarized. Likewise children only see the puppet (magnetism) and never the
puppeteer (dielectricity). There is no (almost none) power in the axle, as meant the magnetism, it is the expulsion of magnetism
resultant from the cosmic model of the magneto-dielectric binding-system conjugation (see far below for diagrams and explanations).
As is the case (explained below), a true "magnet" is a dielectric object, whereas a 'magnetized' object (steel being magnetically
induced) is a magnetically dominant object such that it is merely magnetically induced to temporary magnetization by attribute of its
induction within the magnetic field in proximity to it; but it is not an over-pressure dielectrically capacitant object such that it is not,
has not been electrified, only magnetically induced from proximal magnetization by the genuine "magnet" (dielectric dominant mass,
or "magnet"). In the case of magnetization vs. electrification (true "magnet"), proximal magnetic induction aligns the dielectricity to
cause phase coherency of the magnetism, but this temporary magnetization is the reactance of the dielectricity to the coherent
magnetic field induction within the non-electrified iron mass. Likewise this dielectric reaction from the field induction of the genuine
"magnet" causes necessitated reciprocation, or polarized magnetization to appear only so long as the field of induction from the
"magnet" to the "magnetically-induced" (magnetized) iron or ferrous object, is present. Field incommensurability is inescapable; that
the iron becomes magnetized resultant to magneto-dielectric pressure-gradient alignments is necessitated.
However here is where our gyroscopes analogy ends, since in the genuine model of magnetic induction, merely bringing a
"dead" gyroscope in proximity to the 5 spinning gyroscopes would cause the "dead" one to spin up and align its Z-axis of magnetism
likewise to the other 5, but remove it from the proximity of the other 5, and it would 'stop' immediately without any slowdown
process between its pre-state and its induced-state of velocity. This is field pressure equalization. This is particle-free induction; this is
magnetic induction without electrification (in the creation of a permanent "magnet"). This absolute of field induction phenomena is
something Tesla understood and which is why future inventions CAN and WILL be made that can have an immediate dump of
momentum without any resultant end harmonic, or resultant inertia. Imagine going from 100 to 0 without the slightest forward
momentum.
Countless applications and inventions will unfold from the capacity to dump enormous field inductions in termination with zero
effects. This inertial momentum of induction is mediated solely by spatial, or polarized field proximities, not inherent to the system or
subject being induced, likewise induction termination in this case is non-local and therefore the effects are as well. However the inertia
(forward momentum) of mass has its own field termination in which momentum can be instantly dumped with no resultant effects on
the subject, from a non-local inductive source, but that is a subject for another article I will not discuss here.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 18, 2015, 11:06:40 PM
This is the effect which causes pieces of iron, etc. to align themselves into a "pattern" when you apply a magnetic field.
its not a pattern, its pressure mediation of magnetism and dielectricity at the core of every atom of the object being induced.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 18, 2015, 11:06:40 PM
Whether permanent or temporary, such induction would be resistant to any internal movements (or vortex) of the applied field.
you basically SAID that spinning waters up in X AREA (the subject, the magnet) does NOT ALSO CAUSE LIKEWISE VORTEX-SPIN COHERENCY in surrounding waters :o :o
but we ALL know thats bullshit, because it in fact DOES DO SAME ;D ;D ;D
As such,.......BS, if that were the case, then acceleration would NOT occur due to induction from the magnet upon the coherency of the applied field of the induced OBJECT which DOES OF COURSE ACCELERATE in the direction of the induction.
Attraction by a magnetic mass to a non-magnetized piece of iron is created by an Ether-vacuum vortex, which naturally tends itself
towards equalization between the iron and the magnet. In presence of the Ether-magnetic field there is dielectric contraction in the
unmagnetized mass which, since dielectricity is counterspatial, means there is inter-atomic dilation pertaining to magneto-attractive
vacuum dilation. In shrinking the dielectricity in the atom, as it rebounds in opposition to the magnetic field, it dilates the magnetoatomic
volume causing magneto-Etheric 'attraction' (via induction and towards self-voidance of polarization) to the magnet which is
only a simplex pressure gradient equalization. Magnetism always seeks geometric/spatial equilibrium, as do all fields. The magnetonegative
pressures created in the atomic dilation of the non-magnetized mass is being 'filled' by the field gradient of the magnet.
This is a self-seeking dielectric equilibrium however in its root. Just as two magnets of inverse spin being brought together will
form a perfect spherical field before mating (which is a centripetal dielectric gravitative-like attributional inertia equalization), the iron
or other ferrous mass is a pressure-equalization seeking between the "magnet" and the stable iron. The field of magnetic induction
from the magnet to the iron causes acceleration of the iron TO the magnet (the dielectric-electrified mass) due to now-imbalanced
field pressures in the iron. Action at a distance (all forms) are field pressure equalization-seeking sinks. Acceleration of the iron TO
the magnet is resultant from creating a centripetal inertial vortex by means of magnetic induction, in the iron as flowing towards the
magnet, which is both how and why iron will 'leap' to a magnet. There are no particles mediating this (as espoused by Atomists and
GR and QM), only field pressures. Every gram of matter in the universe, ferrous or otherwise is sitting in its own (temporary)
equilibrium, either in a gravity field, or a magnetic field, or a dielectric field. As a crude analogy, in bringing a magnet near an iron
nail for example is a 'gravity field' (analogously only as meant) towards which the iron must 'fall', however this is just a negative
pressure acceleration of one to the other, and the 'gravity' in this case is dielectric, as existing dominantly in the "magnet" and as
conjugately induced in the inverse, magnetically, in the iron by which the iron being "magnetically induced" is merely the effect of the
magnetic induction from the "magnet" causing dielectric constriction in the iron nail which thereby causes magnetic dilation in the
same nail and therefore acceleration of the nail to the "magnet" which is the dielectric electrified mass with a dominant dielectric
charge. Induction acceleration of the iron to the permanent (or electromagnet) is purely field alignment by means of F.I. (field
incommensurability), within which all pressures are necessitated to follow field gradient parameters of self-similarity.
The "magnet" is out of equilibrium, in short, with a strong dielectric charge, and resultantly to this a strong magnetic attribute to
the so-called "magnet"; as such the magnetic Ether 'bubble' creates magneto-dielectric pressure imbalances in other sympathetic
ferrous structures (and non-ferrous at greater powers) materials which force their acceleration towards those objects out of
equilibrium. Nobody understands that all matter is a balance of field pressure gradients, and throwing one object greatly out of balance
, even if stable, due to irons magneto-dielectric 'elasticity' is but one very lucid example, with an extremely unclear understanding by
most peoples. This conjugate causation is not understood by modern science, however science is certain it understands magnetic
induction, however only very superficially so at best (and unfortunately with materialistic insane explanations). This at-rest
acceleration of the iron towards the magnet is of course due to magnetic induction, but is sourced firstly in the dielectric, and of course
all fields are Ether in nature; as such an Ether vacuum sink (field incommensurability) is created between the magnet and the nail
which forces acceleration of the later towards the former. All matter has its decelerant, and likewise has an accelerant. Dielectric,
magnetic, gravitational, centripetal or spatial or counterspatial. Conjugate perfection exists in nature, one spatial, the other
counterspatial, at which pressure gradients dance around a fulcrum of action-reaction.
As is the case between the "magnet" and the nail when 'together', whereas the nail is magnetized (magnetically induced), the
"magnet" is dielectrically saturated from electrification. Inverse to general understanding, the non-"magnet" nail is the magnetic
object (temporarily) and that which we call the "magnet" is in fact the dielectric object with secondary attributional magnetism as a
resultant from the process in its creation.
Magnetism does not operate by centrifugal movement alone because, while magnetism is definitionally polarized, it moves as
pressure dictates it must; its centripetal movement is governed by dielectric inertial pressures of the Ether in self-seeking equilibrium
out of space and time back to the counterspatial. Counterspace definitionally is the 0-point fulcrum from which all fields are manifest,
either atrributionally as polarized in magnetism, or centripetally and radially as in dielectricity, or in stable formats as matter itself
@sm0ky2
Quoteright series of discussions, but it was after we got bored with the "linear gates", we started assembling the magnets into spinners of all sorts. That is when the effect was discovered by one of the members here.
I lost my lab, so im having to re-gather supplies and whatnot.
My cubes should be here tomorrow, and i'll try to produce something I can share with the class...
If that doesn't work, i'll pick up a can of the Magnetix toys and figure out how we built the original thingy...
Got it! Interesting what that member made further with this discovery? I'm curious if he made free for all or want something else?
Bad to hear you lost your lab, good to hear you want to share with class your work and vision. That's the behavior that I also subscribe to!
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@wattsup
Quote@all
Four simple questions.............
Question 1: If this is a magnetic vortex effect and since vortexes in this universe are know to be spinning entities, what is the rpm of this magnetic vortex and do all magnets have the same rpm?
Question 2: If you rotate a bicycle wheel, at what rpm will the human eye stop being able to see the spokes turning and only see a blur?
Question 3: Did @TA see the hypotrochoid with his own eyes or was it only visible with a fast action camera?
Question 4: If the magnetic vortex is strong enough to make physical ferrofluid shapes or manipulate physical magnet paper atoms to physically align and produce those effects, why is it not strong enough to produce the real anticipated result of such a spinning force and that is, it should only produce a blur if the force is a dynamic vortex versus a static central force?
Before, or, in case @TA tries to answer any of these, let me first open the OU.com Virtual Toilet because we all know @TA has a major problem with Verbal ncontinence. UV lights on, turbo-fan on, toilet seat down, seat belt anchored, ready for discharge. hohoho
wattsup
because these were formulated for all, here are my opinions:
1 - this is a too intricate question. Before to go further with the analysis, the vortex dynamics for a permanent magnet have to become a certitude. A deep one!
2 - at a specific speed for sure! but this is not the case for dielectric (ether) vortex of a permanent magnet. This in my opinion, represent a fallacy of thinking, because the spokes can not be associated with the force lines of a magnetic field, but just the opposite. A reciprocating vortex has its own reference system, and any external analysis will lead to a chain of thinking fallacies.
3 - The hypotrochoid can be clearly seen using a LEDs equipped ferrocell, or it can be intuited by the alignment of many tiny spherical magnets made to float in a large pot with water which has suspended above it a big magnet, oriented with NE poles in vertical position. Any hypotrochoid is only a 2D projection of a 3D vortexial complex dynamics (a precessional motion of a hyperboloid - here I have my own opinion that there is nowhere a precessional motion in the universe, it's just an error of interpretation, an impotence or a limited comprehension capability of the human mind).
4 - I suppose here you think in terms of mechanical action. Is not the case! Or as ken say: Field care only about fields! On a 99.999999999996 "empty" atom we can't discuss about mechanical interactions, only about our own interpretation of the measured values as being similar with the principles of classical mechanics. This point require a much longer discussion about the fundamental concepts such as force, static, dynamic, vortex, induction and the like, than my current short one. Anyway, as Ken emphasized the entire Universe from macro and above it to micro and bellow it, the Universe is only fields. Dynamic fields composed of only one thing, namely ETHER!
And yet we still have not one shred of evidence to indicate such existence of such 'votex' or such 'reciprocation'.lenz induction law holds supreme for all moving conductive(Fe) or semiconductive(Fe2O3) powders thrown infront of magnets.magnetic- allignment holds supreme for all non-conductive ferromagnetic or paramagnetic dusts suspended infront of magnets.lenz magneto-hydrodynamics holds supreme for any biological saline ionic pumping infront of magnets.all patterns of all dusts can be attributed to these well-known phenomena.work on a dust particle=force x distance x acceleration.
Can you step outside of lenz or mageto-hydrodynamics or magneto-allignment forces mr apophasis.can you show us the 'oscillation disequilibrium' in its raw state.yes or no.
Quote from: profitis on March 19, 2015, 04:47:21 AM
And yet we still have not one shred of evidence to indicate such existence of such 'votex' or such 'reciprocation'.lenz induction law holds supreme for all moving conductive(Fe) or semiconductive(Fe2O3) powders thrown infront of magnets.magnetic- allignment holds supreme for all non-conductive ferromagnetic or paramagnetic dusts suspended infront of magnets.lenz magneto-hydrodynamics holds supreme for any biological saline ionic pumping infront of magnets.all patterns of all dusts can be attributed to these well-known phenomena.work on a dust particle=force x distance x acceleration.
How many times I've suggested you to research about the Lenz Law? How many times I've suggested you to make your own homework about Heinrich Lenz? Repeating infinitely the current scientific dogmatic theories and thinking of them as immutable truths, without searching their origin and development, will just maintain you in the same position of a forever spoiled and crying child. Sorry to say this, but in this way you will never learn anything. And do not think that others will make you, your own homework!
Quoteall patterns of all dusts can be attributed to these well-known phenomena
Yes indeed! Perhaps only seen from the end of the Universe! More correct said, well-known phenomena in the current wrong thinking paradigm. At a close examination all the above "well-known phenomena" are totally unknown or at least wrong interpreted phenomena. Pattern in what? dust of what and in what?
Quote from: profitis on March 19, 2015, 05:19:37 AM
Can you step outside of lenz or mageto-hydrodynamics or magneto-allignment forces mr apophasis.can you show us the 'oscillation disequilibrium' in its raw state.yes or no.
The phase shift, yes, I can , you can even seen same in recent videos posted .
with light, and with biological experiments that are 100% reproducible by anyone.
likewise, this phase shift follows the ratio of 1 to Phi , as it necessarily must.
This phase shift has been known about for a LONG TIME by many people.
The hypotrochoid shapes seen here, can not be created by vortex! Why?
Because vortex is CENTRIFUGAL force. And such force creates diminishing circles' path!
And diminishing circles' path cannot make REGULAR hypotrochoids seen here.
@ Sadang
on point (4) :
That is basically the same point I was trying to make. In terms of 'bulk mass', the atoms are grouped together into a solid object. It becomes difficult for us to 'visualize' the individual atoms at work, because of the physicality of millions of atoms comprising the pieces large enough for us to see. Also, because there is no true alignment of the magnetic domains of the atoms involved in bulk matter. We have only partial alignment, even in the best case scenario. some of the atoms are not aligned with the majority. Magnet manufacturing technology has greatly improved over the years, super magnets, and whatnot. The N52 and higher neodymium is a good example of intense alignment, but even in those and other exotic magnetic material, not all of the atoms march in precession. You still get strays that want to turn and 'face' in other directions.
I think we would need something like nano-ferrites (or individual atoms) free floating in a vacuum, outside any major gravitational influence.
Then, we may be able to "test" for a vortex.
At this point, my opinion is more along the lines of spatial distortion due to the relativistic velocities of the atomic interactions.
not a 'vortex' but a bending or warping of space around the magnetic distortion.
In a single atom, during one cycle, the 'magnetic moment' can be analyzed in the same way we view electromagnetic induction through a single coil. This micro field does in fact fluctuate from cycle to cycle, both in vector and intensity.
With two atoms, the cumulative field becomes a combination of the effective field from both fluctuations and the fluctuation of the resultant field is less pronounced.
With a great number of atoms contributing to the cumulative field, these tiny fluctuations in the cumulative field intensity and vector are incoherent, and from an outside perspective, we only observe very small perturbations if any at all.
When observing a bulk mass of millions of incoherent atomic fluctuations, we observe almost no change in the cumulative field
To imagine a coherent 'vortex-like' interaction of the mass atomic interaction, and/or its cumulative field, we almost need an exotic substance, approaching that of a "pure magnet".
I can't rule the vortex out at this point, as such is a possibility, but even if this could be achieved, I believe it is still a process of the cumulative interactions, and NOT an inherent quality of magnetism itself.
QuoteSo how do trillions and trillions of atoms in the mass of the 'magnet' self-align their magneto-dielectric fields? The same way 5
autonomous gyroscopes having been spun up align their flywheels in perfect synchronous manners and their axles likewise
Whoops! A Kenny Fail. Stay tuned for a robust round of denials. Big Time drama.
@sm0ky2
Your way of reasoning and development of this subject about magnetic field is ok, only the terms and mental images used are not as I see, understand and visualize them.
You still think about the atom as about a particle, when it was a long time ago proved it is only a bunch of something which science called fields (even from 1911), and only our limited senses and interpretation make them particles. These are attributes not intrinsic proprieties. Not to speak about the internal structure of the atom, which is not as it is trumpeted since the time of Bohr.
Based on these aspects and going further, things becomes really weird for a well accustomed mind with the current "scientific terms". How to see a magnet as a bunch of fields, when it has a physical shape and presents all that proprieties associated to matter, which were well and deep implemented in our conscious mind by the educational system. Most loose their sense of reasoning if the fundamental blocks of their own system of beliefs is destroyed. And all these happen, without sensing the deep truth that these fundamental blocks are founded on the existence of an empty space, are available only in an empty space and are ultimately entirely false.
To see the magnetic vortex, you don't need vacuum, only to change the way of thinking. Lenz law was postulated in the same empty space and based on the same "well-known" atom. (the same Lorenz law). There is no vacuum, other than that implemented in the human minds. Also, ferromagnetic nano-particles can be achieved by a controlled electrolysis process, their dimensions being between 0.01 to 0.001um. And their colloidal form in conjunction with their diamagnetism make them ideal for observing the shape and structure of the magnetic field.
The further aspects discussed by you about the magnetic moments of atoms and their cumulative effect in the case of an entire magnet are ok in terms f the current atomic and magnetic theory, but I see things in other manner and prefer to not not keep this discussion in a relative common sense frame.
My last suggestion for you is to read again the Ken's book and no only, and try to reproduce some experiments described there. Or buy a ferrocell and experiment for yourself. Or simply play with magnets as you did in the case of Tri Forces and soon or later will become saturated by the circularity of all current scientific theories and will go on your own path of knowledge.
Sadang:'How many times I've suggested you to research about the Lenz Law?'
We don't need to research the lenz-law.we need to RULE OUT the lenz law otherwise nothing happens
Apophasis:'with light,'
Are you observing the light shifting directly or indirectly via ferromagnetic particles shifting
Sadang:'Or buy a ferrocell'
Does this 'ferrocell' contain Fe2O3 particles inside of it
Apophasis:'with biological experiments that are 100% reproducible by anyone.'
Cannot and will not RULE OUT MHD-lenz
@Sadang
if you can get through the senseless ranting, psychobabble, and general degradation of intelligences beyond his own, and get down to the core data of his theories.....
You will find that he makes use of Phi, very much like Euler did, without respect to the imaginary (j) side of the equations.
This is evident in his understanding of the dielectric/diamagnetic properties.
This was corrected by implementation of the Mobius function (inversion), and gives a much clearer example.
You will find that both the dielectric and diamagnetic are equal and opposite to their electric and magnetic counterparts.
His magnetic "experiments" are used to describe a motion, using relatively stationary objects...
As per his description of the shape of the field, spherical and elliptical
this is just as easily described as a relativistic spatial distortion as a function of Pi (spherical), or a function of e (elliptical) respectively.
What exactly is the velocity of a stationary object? Where is the motion, after it reaches equilibrium within the field?
This abstract description is not verified by his work.
Quote from: profitis on March 19, 2015, 10:46:43 AM
Sadang:'Or buy a ferrocell'
Does this 'ferrocell' contain Fe2O3 particles inside of it
a FerroCell, is essentially a "metamaterial" with a refraction index and polarization effect.
They can isolate specific frequencies of light and polarize it in such a manner that
it becomes susceptible to a magnetic field influence. Which will alter the vector or angle, according to polarity and field intensity.
see: Transformation Optics
Smoky2:'I think we would need something like nano-ferrites (or individual atoms) free floating in a vacuum, outside any major gravitational influence.
Then, we may be able to "test" for a vortex.'
Or we could simply re-do the bismuth test to effectively RULE OUT lenz-interference
Smoky2:'a FerroCell, is essentially a "metamaterial" with a refraction index and polarization effect.
They can isolate specific frequencies of light and polarize it in such a manner that
it becomes susceptible to a magnetic field influence. Which will alter the vector or angle, according to polarity and field intensity.'
Is the light itself bending in the magnetic field AFTER polarization or is the magnetic field bending the polarizer and not the light
QuoteWe don't need to research the lenz-law.we need to RULE OUT the lenz law otherwise nothing happens
Not we but only you! In this discussion with me you have to rule out this law, not me. I'm not even bother to try this, because this trying is a fallacy of reasoning. The Lenz law can't be ruled out, until you change the way of thinking. And to change the way of thinking you have to research the history of this law. At least!
Pay attention to this image, maybe will learn something from it! The same situation with all humankind's laws. Only a way to shape the world! From many, many others!
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Quoteif you can get through the senseless ranting, psychobabble, and general degradation of intelligences beyond his own, and get down to the core data of his theories.....
For me it not looks so rambling at all. Yes indeed, there are different aspects that I don't agree 100%, or others that are still understandable for me, but in general he has much more right than many science book about electromagnetism. And his not the only one, there are many others over time that emphasized the wrong path of current so called "science", and in general of the current human society with all of its!
Now, you bring in this discussion the argument of math, but according to my experience math can be used to prove any kind of theory, regardless of the premises who developed it. Thus, the math argument is behind that of the premises. If the premises are wrong, the entire further development is wrong, irrespective of what method are used to check the correctness of that premise.
Dielectric and diamagnetic parts, electric and magnetic counterparts. They are all the same and only thing; that is, ether in its infinite and ever dynamics. Or if you can define the main important word in this paragraph "electric", as deep as you can without fallacies of thinking and interpretation, I'll give you a sound Evrika!
You talk about the experiments of Ken's and the magnetic shape achieved during these experiments as "relativistic spatial distorsion"! Could you define the word "space" as deep as you can following the same cursive flow of thinking as I asked for in the previous paragraph?
Quote from: profitis on March 19, 2015, 11:18:29 AM
Is the light itself bending in the magnetic field AFTER polarization or is the magnetic field bending the polarizer and not the light
This was ruled out early on in the field of transformation optics.
It is actually the light of specific frequencies that is "bending" or being redirected across the magnetic gradient, as a byproduct of polarization.
@Sadang
"space" to me, means simply a reference to the physical dimensions through which eather permeates.
Which varies over a given volume, by Time, mass, velocity, gravity.....
This is generally defined as the Hamiltonian space, or its' equivalents. Canonical coordinates from a given perspective reference.
Sadang:'In this discussion with me you have to rule out this law, not me.'
Excuse me?
Sadang:' The Lenz law can't be ruled out'
Then we are stuck with what the textbooks say about it and we don't grow any wiser.OR we continue getting raped by apophasis.
Smoky2:'It is actually the light of specific frequencies that is "bending" or being redirected across the magnetic gradient, as a byproduct of polarization.'
Just checked it out myself now.we are stuck with the same problem.the magnetic field is influencing ferromagnetic domains in the polarizer slits and not influencing the light itself.back to square 1.this 'ferrocell' principal is not much different to colloidal suspentions of Fe2O3
Quote from: profitis on March 19, 2015, 12:04:31 PM
Smoky2:'It is actually the light of specific frequencies that is "bending" or being redirected across the magnetic gradient, as a byproduct of polarization.'
Just checked it out myself now.we are stuck with the same problem.the magnetic field is influencing ferromagnetic domains in the polarizer slits and not influencing the light itself.back to square 1.this 'ferrocell' principal is not much different to colloidal suspentions of Fe2O3
You are right, I was mistaken on this point.
It seems that the "bending" of light occurs within the refractive index inside the material. This is what changes with the magnetism
we're chasing our own tails over this 'vortex' @smoky :)
Quote from: profitis on March 19, 2015, 12:31:08 PM
we're chasing our own tails over this 'vortex' @smoky :)
Maybe that's the key to watching it 'spin' ?
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 19, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
@Sadang
"space" to me, means simply a reference to the physical dimensions through which eather permeates.
Which varies over a given volume, by Time, mass, velocity, gravity.....
This is generally defined as the Hamiltonian space, or its' equivalents. Canonical coordinates from a given perspective reference.
It's ok again, nothing is static, everything is in a specific ever dynamics. Just it don't fit entirely in my current view of things. Let me develop a bit this subject. If science clearly proved the atom is something empty, the nucleus is also something empty, how can I define a volume in this complete emptiness? A volume of what in what? And defined by what? An emptiness defined by another emptiness (which I attribute physical proprieties) and which float in another emptiness? Are there more types of emptiness? Even the concept of emptiness loose its meaning in this context. So, what is space in this context, more than a mental concept? If you agree ether permeates all things, don't think you should first define that things that the ether permeates, their origin and subsequent development?
Perhaps you will argue with the existence of different fields, or with the wave-particle duality, but obliviously my next question will be to define the fields, waves and so on! And the discussion will arrive finally again to ether. Now, I dare to ask you, what is the meaning of words as space, volume, time, mass, gravity, velocity... beyond the mental concept? What is the valence of a Hamiltonian, Euclidean, Lagrangian or other human mental constructs to define the concept of space?
So, if there is no space apart form that defined by the human brain, why it is still used in the process of thinking, and further in the process of manipulating and shaping the reality? Why not simply come back to ether and reshape the way of thinking on this path? Or to change the thinking parading to an ever manifesting ether from which we are part of, and which we shape it mentally sec by sec? Are there some risks, or it means too much?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 17, 2015, 01:17:54 PM
Pyramidal magnets do the SAME thing, but there exists NO LINEAR MAGNETIC projection, such is 100% IMPOSSIBLE
what however does happen is concentrated FIELD perturbations, like an idiot flapping his arms in the pool
Pyramid magnet, TOP OF HYPERBOLA is constricted by the dielectric boundary of the physical magnet
TA,
You should make an EXPERIMENT for us, introducing your idea to that guy of pyramid magnets.
What does he think of your (sick) (sic) ;) idea?
Quote from: Qwert on March 19, 2015, 06:05:33 AM
The hypotrochoid shapes seen here, can not be created by vortex! Why?
Because vortex is CENTRIFUGAL force. And such force creates diminishing circles' path!
And diminishing circles' path cannot make REGULAR hypotrochoids seen here.
ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?
Each "pole" has BOTH a centripetal and centrifugal vortex.
Quote from: Qwert on March 19, 2015, 06:05:33 AM
Because vortex is CENTRIFUGAL force.
ARE YOU TOTALLY FUCKING INSANE???????
so that vortex going DOWN THE DRAIN (not a FORCE, but an acceleration) is CENTRIFUGAL???????????????????
its centripetal you NUMB NUTZ DUMMY !!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 19, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
@Sadang
"space" to me, means simply a reference to the physical dimensions through which eather permeates.
Which varies over a given volume, by Time, mass, velocity, gravity.....
This is generally defined as the Hamiltonian space, or its' equivalents. Canonical coordinates from a given perspective reference.
SPACE = NOTHING
SPACE = TOTAL ABSENCE OF INERTIA
SPACE = "the shit" of magnetism
THERE ARE NO NO FIELDS "in space"
SPACE IS NEITHER FIELD NOR FORCE, IT ACTS ON NOTHING, IT 'DOES' NOTHING, IT IS NOTHING,..........as that "something" is INERTIA, or the Ether.
NO FIELD HAS EVER TERMINATED "in space".............space IS NOT, CANNOT be a terminal for ("THE") a field or field-modality (electricity, gravity etc).
Space, for those less mentally inclined, is the SHIT from the beast you and i call MAGNETISM. Its the posterior attribute necessitated to exist due to magnetic divergence which CREATES SPACE
any of those, and ALL OF THOSE hairy human APE BEINGS who think space has properties, are FOOLS.
QuoteTHERE ARE NO NO FIELDS "in space"
Well there is a big field traveling through empty space that keeps you alive!
FIELDS FIELDS FIELDS FIELDS FIELDS
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 19, 2015, 03:44:20 PM
ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?
Each "pole" has BOTH a centripetal and centrifugal vortex.
ARE YOU TOTALLY FUCKING INSANE? ??? ???
so that vortex going DOWN THE DRAIN (not a FORCE, but an acceleration) is CENTRIFUGAL? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
its centripetal you NUMB NUTZ DUMMY !!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Son, whatever it is, its (vortex) path IS NOT A CIRCLE, since its diameter is constantly diminishing/increasing.
And because of that, the resulting pattern cannot be REGULAR hypotrochoid.
You said once that there is no straight line in nature. I would add: there are NO REGULAR PATTERNS in nature.
When something has simultaneously centripetal and centrifugal movements, the resulting force would be ZERO.
Magnet rather doesn't fall under such theory.
Quote from: sadang on March 19, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
Now, I dare to ask you, what is the meaning of words as space, volume, time, mass, gravity, velocity... beyond the mental concept? What is the valence of a Hamiltonian, Euclidean, Lagrangian or other human mental constructs to define the concept of space?
Now I *dare* ask you: What is dime-store philosophy worth in the real world. Apparently enough to keep people talking about nothing and to fool people into thinking you know something. When one, exactly ONE question stops you cold. :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 19, 2015, 04:32:36 PM
Now I *dare* ask you: What is dime-store philosophy worth in the real world. Apparently enough to keep people talking about nothing and to fool people into thinking you know something. When one, exactly ONE question stops you cold. :)
Good point. Very good topic for another river-long thread (for some). ;D ;)
Apophasis:'(there is however low magnetic permeability heating from close proximity diamagnetic materials / elements)'
How can you make such a bold declaration without a thorough testing mr apophasis.
QuoteWhen something has simultaneously centripetal and centrifugal forces, the resulting force would be ZERO.
You said something very right and important, just as unfortunately, you do not know what you said. Exactly like two elephants who push each other, the resulting force would also be ZERO! Exactly as in the *real* world!
Quote from: sadang on March 19, 2015, 05:37:07 PM
You said something very right and important, just as unfortunately, you do not know what you said. Exactly like two elephants who push each other, the resulting force would also be ZERO! Exactly as in the *real* world!
Yes, I really don't know what you mean. Would you like to elaborate?
How to explain that I said something "very right" and at the same time "I don't understand what I said"?
No Qwert, I don't want to elaborate! I would like to do, but I prefer not to do here, maybe in another river-long thread (for some). However, the example given by me is a good starting point, if you're really intrigued by my analogy or semantics used.
Quote from: sadang on March 19, 2015, 06:29:26 PM
No Qwert, I don't want to elaborate! I would like to do, but I prefer not to do here, maybe in another river-long thread (for some). However, the example given by me is a good starting point, if you're really intrigued by my analogy or semantics used.
I'm really intrigued, so I expect an elaboration. If you do not prefer to do it here, I'm ready to see it anywhere else.
If the word "elaboration" is not proper, just "explain".
I see my error: instead of the word "force" it should be rather "movement", at least in one part of that sentence; but this is small error comparing the subject of this thread. ;)
Quote from: sadang on March 19, 2015, 06:29:26 PM
No Qwert, I don't want to elaborate!
...because as we all guess you need to know something in order to elaborate but if you're just faking then well...
Quote from: sadang on March 19, 2015, 05:37:07 PM
You said something very right and important, just as unfortunately, you do not know what you said. Exactly like two elephants who push each other, the resulting force would also be ZERO! Exactly as in the *real* world!
Zero huh?
so if I place something in the middle of this elephant sandwich, it would experience no force??
As per any area of physics, the "net" of any two equal and opposite experiences,
------- is dependent upon the perspective of the observer. :)
Quote from: MileHigh on March 19, 2015, 04:09:20 PM
Well there is a big field traveling through empty space that keeps you alive!
FIELDS FIELDS FIELDS FIELDS FIELDS
you cannot even define the word FIELD
Space is a byproduct of divergence, the loss of inertia
the reification of space AS something that DOES something is the bastard child of MENTAL MIDGETS such as yourself.
Quote from: Qwert on March 19, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
Son, whatever it is, its (vortex) path IS NOT A CIRCLE
NO FUCKING SHIT, .......who said otherwise?????????? :o :o :o :o :o
However the circuit of INERTIA in discharge (loss of inertia) is a circle,
BUT extrapolated spatially ("from one pole to the other") is a hyperboloid.
go study projective geometry , dummy
Quote from: Qwert on March 19, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
, since its diameter is constantly diminishing/increasing.
And because of that, the resulting pattern cannot be REGULAR hypotrochoid.
HOLY SHIT, you dont even know what a hypotrochoid IS, it IS expanding and contracting (centrifugal and centripetal magnetism)
DAMN!!! OMFG!!!!!!!
where do they "GROW" people this dumb at?????
Quote from: Qwert on March 19, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
I would add: there are NO REGULAR PATTERNS in nature.
Just the opposite, holy shit, your ignorance is STUNNING.
Quote from: Qwert on March 19, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
When something has simultaneously centripetal and centrifugal movements, the resulting force would be ZERO.
Magnet rather doesn't fall under such theory.
You FUCKING IDIOT, a stationary magnet HAS ZERO NET FORCE...........GODDAMN MORON!!!
OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE TAPPING POWER OFF A STATIONARY MAGNET RATHER THAN A SPINNING ONE IN AN AC MOTOR!!!
confusing divergent FORCE with NET FORCE,................thats why you have to varry the flux lines with respect to time upon a "conductor" DUMMY!!!!!!
ARE YOU DRUNK???? HONESTLY????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hi Mr Wheeler. I sent you a PM.
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 19, 2015, 04:32:36 PM
When one, exactly ONE question stops you cold. :)
dont pretend you have a brain, BOY. ;D ;D ;D
one word stops you cold, pathetic child.
FIELDDEFINE IT, not describe its fucking effects........... DEFINE IT
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 19, 2015, 11:14:05 PM
NO FUCKING SHIT, .......who said otherwise? ??? ??? ??? :o :o :o :o :o
However the circuit of INERTIA in discharge (loss of inertia) is a circle,
BUT extrapolated spatially ("from one pole to the other") is a hyperboloid.
go study projective geometry , dummy
You are right: in PROJECTIVE GEOMETRY it is exactly as you say. In NATURE it is NOT.
And once again: if vortex path is not a circle, the resulting pattern cannot be REGULAR hypotrochoid. So, your pictures where the hypotrochoids are regular patterns, do not represent VORTEX.
Quote from: Qwert on March 20, 2015, 12:15:31 AM
You are right: in PROJECTIVE GEOMETRY it is exactly as you say. In NATURE it is NOT.
And once again: if vortex path is not a circle, the resulting pattern cannot be REGULAR hypotrochoid. So, your pictures where the hypotrochoids are regular patterns, do not represent VORTEX.
youre BRAIN DEAD
Inertia , ie NATURE is PROJECTIVE GEOMETRY son, ~~~~~~~~~ ALL GEOMETRY is PROJECTED (past tense) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
this is where morons (like yourself) ONLY GRASP PHENOMENA, and not which PRECEDES it,
which is , by the fucking way, ALSO NATURE (natura naturans)
Quote from: Qwert on March 20, 2015, 12:15:31 AM
And once again: if vortex path is not a circle, the resulting pattern cannot be REGULAR hypotrochoid. So, your pictures where the hypotrochoids are regular patterns, do not represent VORTEX.
asshole idiot, a Hyprotrochoid cannot even be extrapolated WITHOUT creating a vortex.
You dont even know the goddamn definition of the term VORTEX, and here you are trying to say what IS or IS NOT a vortex ;D ;D ;D
Vortex from what dimension moron?
specificity is divinity, dummy.
You left out PRECESSION arsehole.
reciprocating precessional hyperboloid (yeah, i know thats TOO MUCH for your brain to visualize)
however thats NOT MY ISSUE, its YOURS
Here is a 400X microscope image of the magnetite particle chains that form in a ferrocell taken by John (Jack) Shearer.
http://www.ferrocell.us/images/400x%20particle%20chains.png
Looking at this image, anyone familiar with diffraction gratings and optics, and capable of a bit of ray tracing, should be able to understand why the ferrocell produces a hypotrochoid as illuminated, why the image shifts with the viewing angle, why there is a "pseudo-holographic" appearance, and why various colors are separated.
TA, where are pictures showing the same "extrapolated spatially", I mean, along their (magnets') axis?
lol this shit still going on. All I see from looking at the past. Just imagine how many forums nikola tesla was debating with morons on a forum?
I'm pretty sure none! lol
Even a wood screw works as a "vortex". It spins itself in while griping the wood. it's booth a inside screwing and the wood is going up the screw threads. a screw cannot dig itself in or out if there is no counter rotation. There is more to the equation, but if the wood and the screw where both spinning clockwise, the the screw would not screw in at all. ::)
TA, I think, you partially convinced me: namely, to the hypotrochoid shape of the lines of force. But why you call it VORTEX when there is NO MOVEMENT??
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 19, 2015, 11:07:31 PM
Space is a byproduct of divergence, the loss of inertia
the reification of space AS something that DOES something is the bastard child of MENTAL MIDGETS such as yourself.
ha ha ha.... I explained why there was a black void in your CRT/magnet experiments, you couldn't. You still can't explain why you see a partial reflection in a pane of glass. Foghorn Leghorn diminished.
If you were on your knees, would you act like a nut and eat rum? Do you have a barbed wire tat around your upper arm and a tramp stamp on your lower back? lol Like a hot nut.
Quote from: Qwert on March 20, 2015, 01:02:33 AM
But why you call it VORTEX when there is NO MOVEMENT??
all force and centrifugal / divergence is
DENOTATIVELY movement. force and motion are 2 terms of speaking of one thing.
No movement ehh? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D a PROJECTIVE divergent magnetic FIELD modality creating a "bubble" of voidance and countervoidance ("attract/repulse") is not moving ehh?
hehehehe
Sure, tell that to the phase shift of rarefaction and compression ;D ;D
"magnetism is the dielectric (=INERTIA) field" - FARADAY
Quote from: MileHigh on March 20, 2015, 01:22:49 AM
I explained why there was a black void in your CRT/magnet experiments, you couldn't.
you never even came CLOSE to explaining same.
I in fact did, in logical detail 150 pages ago. I love your self-reinforcing delusions.
Quote from: picowatt on March 20, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
Here is a 400X microscope image of the magnetite particle chains that form in a ferrocell taken by John (Jack) Shearer
asshole idiot, KEY WORDS THERE being "magnetic PARTICLES"
looking at LIGHT asshole, not ferrous magnetic particles.
show up that hypotrochoid using IRON DUST at ANY FUCKING magnification ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have seen no compelling evidence presented that indicates the shape of the magnetic field emanating from the poles of a magnet is a "vortex" or a "hypotrochoid".
This is like watching a baseball game and asking the home run player, "show me proof that you made a home run"....it is pretty obvious by now and I'm not even an expert.
Those that keep on asking for proof are the rats in the sewers looking for cheese.
Those that understand are the ones throwing cheese in the sewers cause there are better things to eat. lol
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 20, 2015, 01:31:13 AM
asshole idiot, KEY WORDS THERE being "magnetic PARTICLES"
looking at LIGHT asshole, not ferrous magnetic particles.
show up that hypotrochoid using IRON DUST at ANY FUCKING magnification ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I said, "anyone familiar with diffraction gratings and optics, and capable of a bit of ray tracing".
Apparently, you are not...
TA, have you ever thought about anti gravity? It must pertain to your beliefs.
I had a weird dream the other day that anti gravity is the opposite of gravity. Like a screw. Then I saw a UFO, and in order for a UFO to manipulate gravity, there needs to be two space ships. Two spaceships need to be going the opposite direction in order to become "anti" ...I had that in my dream.
But if you really think about "vortexes" the vortex can become balanced. For example, a crew going in wood. If the wood isolates and starts turning clockwise as the screw is, then the screw will not go all the way in. the screw can keep on spinning for ever and as long as the wood counters the rotation, the screw will be stuck in space.
In, fact, those curving lines are microscopic little vortexes. What I mean by vortexes is that they are not balanced at the same counter rotation. If there is a straight line, there is a straight line going in the opposite but eventually, it will curve...the balance of the line is the equal opposite rotation.
A vortex is not stuck in the same place1 second ago. It is moving. So lets get rid of that from the start. A magnetic vortex is not stationary nor 100% balanced, since the imbalance is what makes the magnetic force. But I'm getting ahead of myself.
I'm just picturing that there are clockwise,counter rotations all over. One of them is anti gravity. Where there is a perfect clockwise/counterclockwise rotation at any given point. The magnetic fields are not 100%=100%, they are imbalanced at a certain frequency that makes them magnetic. IN fact, vortexes have frequencies.
Lets keep on thinking bro :)
What do you think is anti gravity? Just crazy thinking here :)
These other nay sayers just need a teacher. IMO.
If clockwise screw is going 100 miles per hour clockwise and the counterclockwise screw was going at the same speed, would not they get stuck in space time? Now, if one of the screws spins less from either direction, the opposite would move towards the less spinning screw?.
This is how I see the magnetic vortex! While it may seem that the vortex is stationary, there is a spinning frequency difference between the clockwise and counterclockwise. And that difference is the finger print of the magnetic force. It is not 100% clockwise and 100% counterclockwise. There is a slight difference there that makes it magnetic. A finger print of the vortex if you will. Just like the "vortex" of a wood screw on wood. While the wood screw may be driven with energy in a "stationary" wood piece for ever, they both have a microscopic "vortex" frequency".
So I'm looking further in to the "vortexes" frequencies now. Vortexes are all around. No question about them...now lets find the frequencies of them. I'm most certain that anti-gravity is a combination of clockwise and anticlockwise where the frequency cancels out gravity. It cannot just be a straight line or a straight spiral. Gravity is like a screw trying to dig in the earths wood. IMO. :)
Apophasis:'Quote from: picowatt on Today at 05:28:24 AM ---Here is a 400X microscope image of the magnetite particle chains that form in a ferrocell taken by John (Jack) Shearer
--- End quote ---
asshole idiot, KEY WORDS THERE being "magnetic PARTICLES"
looking at LIGHT asshole, not ferrous magnetic particles.'
Talk shit to the kids! You are looking at magnetic particles shifting in a ferrocell.not light! Gotcha :)
Apophasis:'(there is however low magnetic permeability heating from close proximity diamagnetic materials / elements)'
How can you make such a bold statement mr apophasis.tsk tsk
The magnetic flux viewer utilizes the combined properties of a ferromagnetic colloidal mixture, magnetism and the transmission of light to view a presentation of magnetic flux. The magnetic flux viewer comprises a ferromagnetic colloidal mixture positioned between two optically transmissive lenses, the lenses including a means for containing the mixture there between. Mixture is comprised of a plurality of magnetically reactive particles. There is at least one magnetic source juxtaposed about the mixture and a visible light source that is positioned to project through the mixture. The interaction of light waves and the mixture creates a visual presentation of magnetic flux.
The ferromagnetic colloidal mixture comprises nano-sized magnetite particles coated with a surfactant and suspended in a colloidal mixture that respond to the application of a localized magnetic field thereby aligning themselves in the direction of the magnetic field and forming nano-particle chains. Preferably, the ferromagnetic colloidal mixture is a translucent fluid. When this translucent mixture is contained and placed into a magnetic field, light waves scatter and rotate as they pass through the mixture positioned between the two lenses in regions where the magnetic field has reached its lowest potential. In examples, the viewer also creates a visual presentation of the interaction between magnetic flux and other elements of matter.The claimed magnetic flux viewer makes this Super-paramagnetic event visible. - Timm A. Vanderelli
Quote from: picowatt on March 20, 2015, 01:36:15 AM
I have seen no compelling evidence ........
..........said the blind idiot.
Your weak mind and enormous ignorances is a fault at your OWN FEET, son
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 20, 2015, 04:56:19 AM
..........said the blind idiot.
Your weak mind and enormous ignorances is a fault at your OWN FEET, son
I will put things in context for you Kenny.
Picowatt is a very experienced seasoned professional with real hands-on experience that has 40+ years of working in the electronics and technology industries under his belt. When he chooses to talk tech it is at a totally different level than you normally see around here. He can spin circles around you with respect to all things tech, so you make yourself look like complete fool when you call him an idiot.
You, on the other hand are some ordinary person pushing some strange and outlandish concept about magnetism where there is not a single stitch of evidence that any of it is true. Nor do you have any legitimate technical background. You are a virtual booth at the virtual "Alternative Energy, Healing, and Consciousness Conference 201X." Your neighbours play with crystals and you play with funky slides that show fancy diffraction patterns. Oh I forgot, you have a fancy car because you are rich and you tatted up your body with stuff about magnetism.
You are the ignorant Joe Blow that is an idiot when it comes to what is being discussed here. You may not realize it or refuse to acknowledge it, but that's what's really going down.
This thread is a farce, you are just looking at normal diffraction patterns that show that a magnetic field is exactly what experiment and the textbooks say it is and you are inventing a fantasy around it. That is the "hoodwink moment" - you have made a fool of yourself without realizing it. It's like in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy when they finally realize that all of mankind is being controlled by lab mice. Real science is the mice, and your Foghorn Leghorn boasting and shouting is just an illusion like some cheap dilapidated haunted house on the traveling carnival circuit.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 20, 2015, 06:05:57 AM
I will put things in context for you Kenny.
Picowatt is a very experienced seasoned professional with real hands-on experience that has 40+ years of working in the electronics and technology
WHICH MEANS NOT ONE FUCKING GODDAMN THING as per the subject here.
I talked to a FORD linesman once who assembled pickup truck engines for almost 20 years.
Told me he didnt know how the engine really worked, he just built the goddamn things.
false analogy, just because PicoBRAIN has done X for 40 years doesnt mean he KNOWS JACK FUCKING SHIT about field theory, or the mechanics of same.
You, son, ARE a goddamn moron. ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on March 20, 2015, 06:05:57 AM
with real hands-on experience
SO GODDAMN WHAT YOU FUCKING MORON? :o ;D
99% OF 60 YEAR OLD + electricians dont know ONE GODDAMN THING about electricity or field theory
the only thing they know how to do is run wires and KEEP (usually) from getting electrocuted
You fucking CRUCIFIED YOURSELF on your own rotten tongue , son. ;D ;D ;D ;D
A MONKEY with a soldering gun that can also build a coil isnt impressing ANYONE (well not any WISE person that is)
Here is a taste of your own medicine: <<<You are a god damned epsilon-minus semi-moron - infinity.>>> So there! I am now covered for the rest of the thread.
PicoWatt's business is his business. But I can at least say that I get vibe that a big chunk of his career was as an Engineering Manager or as VP of Engineering. He has probably managed projects that would blow your mind.
So technically that makes you an insignificant pipsqueak.
@sadang notice the key words:'Preferably, the ferromagnetic colloidal mixture is a translucent fluid.' This makes the ferrocell no different to all the other demo's and cannot rule out the monster lenz-effect or simple allignment effect.apophasis has absolutely no choice but to re-do the bismuth expo.he is entirely limited to the bismuth expo and none other
Milehigh:'This thread is a farce, you are just looking at normal diffraction patterns that show that a magnetic field is exactly what experiment and the textbooks say it is and you are inventing a fantasy around it.'
Correct.He's already raped too many with this thread.
profitis, as long as you don't want to see more than you want to see, we don't have any common point of discussion. Sorry, your world is different from mine. Of course, I'm very aware the viceversa is also available.
From that paragraph I emphasized a sentence, you choose another. Exactly as in the image I attached in a previous message, and which I'll attach again here. Maybe will shake a bit your certainties. Some see the circle, others see the square, all seems to see shadows but no one seems to pay any attention to the cylinder.
Just like the solar eclipse that I was busy until now. I try to understand the whole set of forces and means involved in this event beyond the book covers, you likely will analyze the shadow seen on the Earth, and will emits a new Lenz's law, based on shadow analyzed by you from all angles, without being aware of the entire assembly which generated that shadow.
Now, coming back to ferrocell, what relevance has your quote? Why did you quote it and not paid attention to what I emphasized in that paragraph? This make me think you really do not read anything, not about ferrocell, nor the Ken's book, and probably neither others that were mentioned here in this topic, and just limit yourself to what you already know.
We will discuss further after you will come here with other experiments not with nonsense words thrown in the wind.
Sadang;'profitis, as long as you don't want to see more than you want to see,'
I want to see a spinning vortex same as everyone else here.nobody has shown me a damn thing.
Sadang:'Now, coming back to ferrocell, what relevance has your quote? Why did you quote it and not paid attention to what I emphasized in that paragraph.'
Because my emphasis is on RULING OUT crap.we don't want to be shown any more obvious lenz-law experiments sadang.we want a vortex and we want it now
Sadang:'nor the Ken's book'
Theories are nice,if they withstand children's criticism.this theory has no legs to stand on
TheoriaApophasis,
you've got a lot in common with that Ford worker.
You show Ferrocell images but don't have a clue about what's
goin' on!
John.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 19, 2015, 11:19:12 PM
dont pretend you have a brain, BOY.
Well I say SON. You need to keep your EYE on the BALL....SON. EYEball that's a JOKE...SON. I keep pitchin them and you keep missin them.
Seriously. Who talks like that other that cartoon characters?
QuoteFIELD
See I'm not making any claims about fields. I am talking about geometry and your claim that if you observe X you can infer perfectly Y. One simple question has you and your cheerleader stumped.
I'm pretty sure it's only you two that are pretending. :)
Quote from: sadang on March 20, 2015, 07:47:17 AM
Maybe will shake a bit your certainties.
Yawn. We've all heard this one. Someone comes in with a set of assertions based on no evidence and then demand that everyone else give up some other set of assertions which are based on evidence. :)
Which leaves them trapped in only being able to have one discussion. Primarily with themselves...as sadang, seamonkey, TA have all demonstrated repeatedly.
There are only four types of people in the world regarding discovery and invention:
- the most common are those who watch and observe, and profit from invention and discovery; are intrigued by its discoveries.
- the second most common are those who dissuade others from invention and discovery, and try to prevent them both mentally and
physically from discovery claiming: 'this can lead to nowhere', or 'that course is a dead end, there is nothing there.'
- the third most common are greedy and lustful inventors who desire only fame, profit, and acclaim, nothing matters but any angle that
can be exploited to be used to exploit others for their own ends. Discovery is not an ends to these people, only a means to exploit
others.
- the fourth, and most rare are those who do not care about the first three types of people; these rare few have a vision or visions and
are hell-bent to uncover the mysteries of the universe, not out of desire for profit or fame or empirical motives, but the only pure,
noble, and righteous intent, that being pure discovery and understanding as its own ends. The expansion of comprehension and
wisdom.
I hope not to offend anyone! Each of you is found in one of these situations! Let's see the reactions!
Quote from: sadang on March 20, 2015, 09:56:42 AM
There are only four types of people in the world
Wow. Did I call that? or did I call that?
Sadang, once again imposing a set of certainties on people but not challenging his own in the least. :)
Sadang:''that course is a dead end, there is nothing there.'
Precisely where this thread started and is right now.I'm getting angry sadang.ask sarkeizen what happens when I get angry,the capslock unlocks brother I'm going to start a riot now sadang...WE DEMAND A VORTEX,WE DEMAND A VORTEX,WE DEMAND A VORTEX..
For those who just wait answers without making any other real effort to understand, maybe this could be a right one?
Dielectricity conjugates radially and centripetally along the Z-axis in dielectro-electromagnetism where electricity and magnetism reciprocate as a vortex toroidal accretion disk along the X-Y axis. In the case of magnetism, dielectricity centripetally moves along a XY-axis as an accretion disk as magnetism moves centrifugally and centripetally along the Z-axis and spatially in a curvilinear motion towards centripetal return. In further retroduction, in the case of magnetism, the point at which the dielectric XY-axis meets, given sufficient electrification, is the point at which mass is formed.
Or as a last hope and the only solution is to exorcise the magnetism because here is the
Quote from: sadang on March 20, 2015, 01:53:41 PM
For those who just wait answers without making any other real effort to understand
How about people like yourself who just pronounce and demand acceptance without making any real effort to understand the opposition....by say....you know...answering questions. :)
RIOT! RIOT! WE DEMAND A VORTEX..WE DEMAND A VORTEX..
Quote from: MileHigh on March 20, 2015, 06:23:01 AM
PicoWatt's business is his business. But I can at least say that I get vibe that a big chunk of his career was as an Engineering Manager or as VP of Engineering. He has probably managed projects that would blow your mind.
So technically that makes you an insignificant pipsqueak.
That ALSO doesnt mean JACK FUCKING SHIT
This stupid bitch, carly fiorina, managed BILLION $$$ projects too.
She was a goddamn failure and IDIOT by all estimates. ;D ;D ;D
I LOVE YOUR FALSE ANALOGIES MORON !!!!! Obama is PREZ of the USA, that idiot stupid son of a bitch has less brains than a sack of dead RATS
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 20, 2015, 09:37:18 AM
See I'm not making any claims about fields.
you keep mentioning the term FIELD
you cannot define it, not even to save your own life. Boy
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 20, 2015, 09:37:18 AM
I am talking about geometry
Geometry is PAST TENSE, Projective geometry PRECEDES geometry, ;D ;D
sad little boy.
I have no clue what many people on this forum do so perhaps it was inappropriate to speculate. But I certainly can recognize a keen mind and a wealth of experience and very high intelligence.
But for you Kenny, I only recognize a big Foghorn Leghorn blowhard. The mother of all blowhards.
TheoriaApophasis,
after all these pages there should be some progress.
Nature is consistent as far as electrons go. It is thought that electrons
exist as standing waves. Chemistry tells us that there is an integer
number of electrons. One has to look on this as a wave-particle duality.
Are you going to grumble and curse about those statements just
like my daughter's old sow goes off when you poke her with a stick?
Like me you enjoy the use of products that have been developed
using current understanding of electronics. The WWW
work done by an English guy working at CERN. I absohttp://www.crashmap.co.uk/Home/Register?reportId=2006230691116 (http://www.crashmap.co.uk/Home/Register?reportId=2006230691116)lutely love being
able to discuss things using this technology.
At the end of the day there is going to be one correct answer and if
you're going to topple Einsein you'll have to pull your finger out
as you must by now be older than 32.
Farmer John.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 20, 2015, 06:27:52 PM
you keep mentioning the term FIELD
I say boy, you don't seem to be apprehendin the general gist of what I'm tryin' to convey here. Maybe you oughta take a second and let your head catch up to your tongue before it gets all sunburnt. That's a JOKE son.
Seriously. I've mentioned the word "field" exactly twice. Once now and once in my last post after YOU brought it up. :)
Quote from: minnie on March 20, 2015, 07:19:14 PM
TheoriaApophasis,
after all these pages there should be some progress.
Ive got over 300 pages to add to the book, WHO SAID the progress had to be made on this damn website talking to these MORONS?
Quote from: minnie on March 20, 2015, 07:19:14 PM
At the end of the day there is going to be one correct answer and if
you're going to topple Einsein you'll have to pull your finger out
as you must by now be older than 32.
Farmer John.
Tesla said you dont have to TOPPLE anyone, only replace (bullshit) with something superior, and the prior would vanish on its own.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 20, 2015, 08:39:18 PM
Ive got over 300 pages to add to the book, WHO SAID the progress had to be made on this damn website talking to these MORONS?
If these "pages" are anything like the ones already IN the book, of which neither you understand, nor do they support your theories...
It will undoubtedly further detract anyone from seriously considering your ideas.
Quote from: Sadangthere are four types of people
I'm assuming at this point you would like the place yourself in the 4th category, but you seem to display characteristics of the 2nd.
Perception is a funny thing.
QuoteIf clockwise screw is going 100 miles per hour clockwise and the counterclockwise screw was going at the same speed, would not they get stuck in space time? Now, if one of the screws spins less from either direction, the opposite would move towards the less spinning screw?.
If a screw is going at the speed of light clockwise and an opposite screw is going the speed of light in the opposite direction, then we would see a static molecule. If I see a car going 100 miles per hour, i'm actually seeing a car that is being stopped by the opposite forces that are going way faster.
If there is the speed of light, there is also the negative speed of light. Where the speed of light can only go that fast due to the balance of the opposite speed of light. IF THE OPPOSITE SPEED OF LIGHT lags a little, then the speed of light will become greater speeds. Since the speed of light must have tires that grip on a paved road...lol
Lol, this means that the speed of light is not static, well, it is static at the human perspectives in the earth...BUT it is not true outside in space time.
If the earths perimeter is spinning at 1000 miles per hour, and a car is driving in the perimeter at 30 miles per hour (human perception), the car is actually 970 miles per hour less. And i'm 100% sure 30MPH is not constant all over the earth.
Now, by the same token, the speed of light CANNOT be constant! Let alone if is just a human perception of the speed of light. Based on my screw analogy, the speed of light is only lagging by the equal and opposite speed = the speed if light is not 100% the static speeds. They are ONLY 100% in our HUMAN perceptions.
Quote from: joel321 on March 21, 2015, 12:29:43 AM
Lol, this means that the speed of light is not static, well, it is static at the human perspectives in the earth...BUT it is not true outside in space time.
If the earths perimeter is spinning at 1000 miles per hour, and a car is driving in the perimeter at 30 miles per hour (human perception), the car is actually 970 miles per hour less. And i'm 100% sure 30MPH is not constant all over the earth.
Now, by the same token, the speed of light CANNOT be constant! Let alone if is just a human perception of the speed of light. Based on my screw analogy, the speed of light is only lagging by the equal and opposite speed = the speed if light is not 100% the static speeds. They are ONLY 100% in our HUMAN perceptions.
Joel:
Relativity teaches us that the speed of light is constant, and time is the variable. Time slows or speeds up but light remains the same.
Bill
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 20, 2015, 10:49:22 PM
of which neither you understand, nor do they support your theories...
baseless claims are the playthings of children, son. ;D ;D ;D
I retired at age 31, was chess champ in high school and college and finished college 2 years EARLY
I know 7 languages and my languages professors said i was a prodigy savant.
Why dont you return to sucking eggs?
Ill be thinking of you when im sitting in the Bahamas in a few days.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 20, 2015, 10:49:22 PM
I'm assuming at this point you would like the place yourself in the 4th category, but you seem to display characteristics of the 2nd.
Im happy NOT to be counted among the "Normal" scum like most people who PISS AWAY 99% of their life worried about how to get RICH and or LAID
Wisdom is its OWN reward son. I have nothing for sale, and no praise NOR blame from YOU or ANYONE else will move me one mm.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2015, 01:16:43 AM
Relativity teaches us that the speed of light is constant,
you LOST your goddamn fucking mind. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Every scientist on earth with 2 brain cells KNOWS that the speed of light is
VARIABLE depending on the inductive medium of transmission http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/1010/20130325/speed-of-light-variable.htm
http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html
QuoteRelativity teaches us that the speed of light is constant, and time is the variable. Time slows or speeds up but light remains the same.
Well, in my own personal point of view, I see the speed of light as a car going 30MPH in the perimeter of the earth spinning at 1000MPH.
I can picture the earth circumference growing or reducing. ONCE the circumference of the earths perimeter grows or reduces, the 30MPH car speed changes automatically. That being said, if the earth was as big as Uranus, the car going 30MPH around Uranus perimeter would change. Any mathematician can do the math.
So the speed of light cannot be constant. The light has to go through OBSTACLES. IN some obstacles, the light slows down, in others, it may go faster. The ultimate truth is that the speed of light fluctuates in our reality. And in a 50 times the size of the earth intelligent humans, the speed of light goes at a different speed = PERSPECTIVE!
Now, once we understand that light is not a constant speed, what does that do for our human health? NOTHING! that only means that we humans are for ever learning. There is not static of leaning, we learn every day! EVEN is there was a "speed" of learning" would the leaning stop from moving on? Is there a speed to learning? is a brain thinking 3MPH stupid VS a brain thinking 20MPH? lol
Don't believe 100% what other people tell you I guess is what I'm trying to say. By the same token, if you know how is the easiest way to get right...fuck the laws of the universe show me the easy money. lol
But light speed cannot be 100% the same speed constant. Even think further, what created light? Just because I put a number on the speed of light that I can understand with my measuring tools, means I created light or understand 100% the whole universe?
It's all just onion layers of understanding.
If you have to work two jobs to live, who told you that you need to work two jobs? Maybe, you are being a slave to the easy life understandings?
Joel:
Yes, it is constant.
In the equation E=Mc squared, C is the constant for the speed of light. If light were not constant then nuclear bombs would not explode...and we know that they do.
Bill
@sm0ky2
QuoteI'm assuming at this point you would like the place yourself in the 4th category, but you seem to display characteristics of the 2nd.
Is your assumption, and you have all the rights to express it. But let's not spread even the last drop of doubt! Let's keep the discussion between us in terms of common sense.
When you will see the ether not just as you see it now, namely as something that pervade everything, but will see it also as something from which everything is made of, even you, then and only then you will see with other eyes the Ken's book and not only.
There are many individual guys, private and governmental labs who study the magnetic vortex and the helical dynamics as fundamental dynamics of the ether. Even in the official science are lot of articles about magnetic vortexes at quantum levels, just there they are still analyzed in the official scientific paradigm of an empty space, and are seen as well-known and totally abstract concept called FIELDS.
Pay attention to Z axis from my last message or go directly to Ken's book, or more easy, try to explain it (for yourself) for official electromagnetic theory! You know, that two elephants don't think and act in terms of vectors! Even Maxwell warned about that! And don't forget, everything is just a matter of interpretation!
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 21, 2015, 02:00:40 AM
you LOST your goddamn fucking mind. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Every scientist on earth with 2 brain cells KNOWS that the speed of light is VARIABLE depending on the inductive medium of transmission
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/1010/20130325/speed-of-light-variable.htm (http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/1010/20130325/speed-of-light-variable.htm)
http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html (http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html)
Mr. Blowhard himself stings himself in the ass.
For starters, Pirate's statement is basically true in a general sense, but you go and pull up references about specific conditions where there may be very slight variations in the speed of light. The debating judges would take away points for sure.
The big sting number one on the blowhard:
QuoteA major part of the discussion in both studies is the nature of a vacuum, which on a quantum level is not, as most believe, empty. Rather, it is filled with the particle pairs.
Big sting number two on the big blowhard:
QuoteTwo papers, published in the European Physics Journal D in March, attempt to derive the speed of light from the quantum properties of space itself. Both propose somewhat different mechanisms, but the idea is that the speed of light might change as one alters assumptions about how elementary particles interact with radiation. Both treat space as something that isn't empty, but a great big soup of virtual particles that wink in and out of existence in tiny fractions of a second.
Poor Kenny waddles around screaming how quantum particles are all BS and then he links to two papers that are all about quantum particles! It's priceless.
The big fat blowhard makes himself look like a MORON because he says anyone that believes in quantum physics must be a moron.
You bloody idiot blowhard moron Kenny! Your mind is tied to your behind! Your mother wears army boots!
Quoteinductive medium of transmission
That's just a made-up expression by a bozo that doesn't even make any sense. It's word salad for Kenny himself only. You will never read that nonsensical expression except from Kenny and in the "movements" that he makes to produce his "books."
QuoteIn the equation E=Mc squared, C is the constant for the speed of light. If light were not constant then nuclear bombs would not explode...and we know that they do.
If everything is constant, why is everything evolving?
For sure the formula e=mc squared will be the same 100 years from now if you look in your crystal ball?
If you look at the history of time, the birth of e=mcsquared started from the gun powder. Since it started thousands of years ago, the powder formula for today is not static and will change in the future.
Please do tell how do you understand the speed of light? :P
Not to mentioned that a car going 30MPH where the earth is spinning at 1000MPH made any sense to you. And then I asked if the perimeter of the earth was 100 times it's size, would the same car be going at 30MPH in the perimeter of the 100 times the size of the newly earth...? lol...I would expect a lot of brain farting from you pirate :P
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2015, 02:22:54 AM
C is the constant for the speed of light.
Youre BATSHIT fucking insane. ;D ;D ;D
simplex EM diffraction thru a PRISM disproves THAT FUCKING BULLSHIT.
It may be noted that Maxwell's determination of this "proportionality
factor" gave rise to a NUMERIC value of one over c square. It is a faulty
inference to assume this factor is an actual velocity, or is the dimensional
relation of a velocity at all. Here given it is numeric. In the comparisons of
optics and electrodynamics it is found that a dielectric has the following
characteristics;
(1) Refractive Index
(2) Dielectric Inductivity
(3) Luminal Velocity
All three of these relations are exactly related to the velocity of light. But
here again is one over c square and actual velocity?
Maxwell's discovery of a factor of proportionality between dielectricity and
magnetism led to his theory of conjugate pair of inductions, dielectric
It has been developed thus far the general meaning of the concept One
Over c Squared.
Hence a broader understanding of what is meant by the
"speed of light" has been obtained. The factor, c, is best not considered a
velocity, it is a proportionality ratio of time and space. By virtue of c being a
ratio it is dimensionally equivalent to a velocity, but c should not be
considered a velocity in and of itself.
Also given has been that light should not be considered a material
projection, it is not, light is not the "Cereal Shot From Guns". It has a
propagation of the medium itself. For a motional transmitter, the so called
"Doppler Effect" maintains the energy balance, raising the frequency in
proportion to the motional velocity of the transmitter. The wavelength
accordingly gets shorter. Thus the luminal velocity of the transmitted wave
is always c, a constant. The concept of "hysteresis, or velocity," was
touched upon.
Hence capacitance exists in a direct relationship with the velocity of light in a
given medium. Zero capacitance, infinite velocity.Hereby this dimensional relation is given as:
Seconds Squared Per Centimeters SquaredThis is to say, one over the speed of light squared, that is, one over c
squared. Here it is useful to take the speed of light as a unit value, or one.
See for example, C.P. Steinmetz's "Impulses, Waves, and Discharges",
chapter on "Velocity Measure." It is in this relationship between luminal
velocity and electro-static capacity that we find the luminal velocity
concepts of the relativists, the c squared in the E equals mc squared. Call it
a "dimensional fluke" if you wish.
However, capacitance is forever married
to the velocity of light, to one over c squared.
@sadang none of that which you just said makes a 'vortex' any more real than pure fantasy bro
Quote from: profitis on March 21, 2015, 02:54:22 AM
@sadang none of that which you just said makes a 'vortex' any more real than pure fantasy bro
You dont even know the DEFINITION of the very term VORTEX
So, shut your rotten hole until you DO ;D ;D
Apophasis:'Ive got over 300 pages to add to the book, WHO SAID the progress had to be made on this damn website talking to these MORONS? '
But we made massive progress here kenny.we taught you how a ferrocell works and we taught you how magneto-hydrodynamics works.we saved you plenty embarrasment in that book buddy
Apophasis:'You dont even know the DEFINITION of the very term VORTEX'
Its not important,whateverit is its just not there
QuoteA major part of the discussion in both studies is the nature of a vacuum, which on a quantum level is not, as most believe, empty. Rather, it is filled with the particle pairs.
"
Rather, it is filled" - this is the most important aspect someone have to pay attention to. The assumption it is fileld with pair particles... is just an assumption according to the current scientific paradigm.
QuoteTwo papers, published in the European Physics Journal D in March, attempt to derive the speed of light from the quantum properties of space itself. Both propose somewhat different mechanisms, but the idea is that the speed of light might change as one alters assumptions about how elementary particles interact with radiation. Both treat space as something that isn't empty, but a great big soup of virtual particles that wink in and out of existence in tiny fractions of a second.
"
Both treat space as something that isn't empty" - this is the most important aspect someone have to pay attention to. The assumption it is fileld with a great soup of virtual particles... is just an assumption according to the current scientific paradigm.
In conclusion each one see, understand and interpret how and what allows his level of understanding.
Quote from: profitis on March 21, 2015, 03:00:00 AM
But we made massive progress here kenny.we taught you
The only thing you have done, son, is give a more accurate definition to the term IDIOT.
Quote from: profitis on March 21, 2015, 03:01:27 AM
Apophasis:'You dont even know the DEFINITION of the very term VORTEX'
Its not important,whatever it is its just not there
Are you drunk? or TERMINALLY STUPID?
1. you say there is no vortex
2. you ADMIT the definition of the term VORTEX is outside your grasp and that you "dont care / not important"
Thanks for HANGING YOURSELF in my honor. ;D
Apophasis:'1. you say there is no vortex
2. you ADMIT the definition of the term VORTEX is outside your grasp and that you "dont care / not important"'
Wooooo,so I need to 'unnerstand' the 'vortex' to make it exist...
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2015, 02:22:54 AM
Joel:
Yes, it is constant.
is that so bitch?
not a chance ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: profitis on March 21, 2015, 03:06:48 AM
Wooooo,so I need to 'unnerstand' the 'vortex' to make it exist...
SLURRED WORDS,
yes youre a DRUNK , same as that idiot High for Miles and TinFoilHatKoala-Shit.
Apophasis:'The only thing you have done, son, is give a more accurate definition to the term IDIOT.'
On the contrary.you was going to write down in your next 300 pages that the ferrocell proved existence of such disequilibria when all it does is prove lenz-law.I saved your ass bro
Apophasis:'SLURRED WORDS, yes youre a DRUNK ,'
I love being drunk :) clears my cranium so that I can see through bullshat :)
Quote from: profitis on March 21, 2015, 03:10:20 AM
Apophasis:'The only thing you have done, son, is give a more accurate definition to the term IDIOT.'
On the contrary.you was going to write down in your next 300 pages that the ferrocell proved existence of such disequilibria when all it does is prove lenz-law.I saved your ass bro
magneto-motive retardation and phase shifts dont have shit to do with Lenz law
YOURE DRUNK asshole, crawl back in your bottle.
Apophasis:'magneto-motive retardation and phase shifts dont have shit to do with Lenz law'
Lenz-law will affect all moving conductors in said field to some degree.you'l get some lenz-steering of colloidal Fe2O3
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 21, 2015, 03:07:38 AM
is that so bitch?
not a chance ;D ;D ;D
Kenny, you big blundering bozo buffoon, for "all practical intents and purposes" the speed of light is a constant. Do you have a brain? Are you capable of using it? Are you not capable of understanding the notion of commonly accepted terms and conventions? Do you have to be spoon fed common sense like a baby?
No mention of the two papers that
you cited that are all about
QUANTUM PHYSICS? Are you like a little boy that has to go to the bathroom and is all jumping around and squirming? Does the thought that you linked to two articles about
QUANTUM PHYSICS make you pee your pants?
How come you see a partial reflection when you look at a pane of glass?
Oh, Mr. Big "Educator" Kenny the bozo can't answer that one and he has to run to the bathroom now.
Quote from: profitis on March 21, 2015, 03:16:57 AM
Lenz-law will affect all moving conductors
idiot, im not even talking about the ferrocell
im talking about polarity phase shift in a STATIONARY magnet.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 21, 2015, 03:19:02 AM
Kenny, youre right, light speed VARIES, depending on the inductive medium
It may be noted that Maxwell's determination of this "proportionality
factor" gave rise to a NUMERIC value of one over c square. It is a faulty
inference to assume this factor is an actual velocity, or is the dimensional
relation of a velocity at all. Here given it is numeric. In the comparisons of
optics and electrodynamics it is found that a dielectric has the following
characteristics;
(1) Refractive Index
(2) Dielectric Inductivity
(3) Luminal Velocity
All three of these relations are exactly related to the velocity of light.
But here again is one over c square and actual velocity?
Maxwell's discovery of a factor of proportionality between dielectricity and
magnetism led to his theory of conjugate pair of inductions, dielectric and magnetic
It has been developed thus far the general meaning of the concept One
Over c Squared.
Hence a broader understanding of what is meant by the
"speed of light" has been obtained. The factor, c, is best not considered a
velocity, it is a proportionality ratio of time and space.
By virtue of c being a
ratio it is dimensionally equivalent to a velocity, but c should not be
considered a velocity in and of itself.
Also given has been that light should not be considered a material
projection, it is not, light is not the "Cereal Shot From Guns". It has a
propagation of the medium itself. For a motional transmitter, the so called
"Doppler Effect" maintains the energy balance, raising the frequency in
proportion to the motional velocity of the transmitter. The wavelength
accordingly gets shorter. Thus the luminal velocity of the transmitted wave
is always c, a constant. The concept of "hysteresis, or velocity," was
touched upon.
Hence capacitance exists in a direct relationship with the velocity of light in a
given medium. Zero capacitance, infinite velocity.
Hereby this dimensional relation is given as:
Seconds Squared Per Centimeters Squared
This is to say, one over the speed of light squared, that is, one over c
squared. Here it is useful to take the speed of light as a unit value, or one.
See for example, C.P. Steinmetz's "Impulses, Waves, and Discharges",
chapter on "Velocity Measure."
It is in this relationship between luminal
velocity and electro-static capacity that we find the luminal velocity
concepts of the relativists, the c squared in the E equals mc squared.. However, capacitance is forever married
to the velocity of light, to one over c squared.
Apophasis:'im talking about polarity phase shift in a STATIONARY magnet.'
You need to start talking about your earlier statement on diamagnetic heating.now there's an avenue we can followup on with a clear conscious.what other materials beside Bi have you tried
Milehigh, I'm a follower. TA, has more brain matter to follow than you do sir.
Vortexes do exists as TA proposes....what the hell do you propose?
Milehigh, I'm assuming you are not proposing any type of vortex on anything. Them show the the evidence?
You just look like a groupie responding here. lol
Here we go again, milehigh just trying to be the queen of england lol.
QuoteKenny, youre right, light speed VARIES, depending on the inductive medium
Kenny, are you such a desperate and sleazy low-life that you will invent a quote and attribute it to me?
You just crossed a line that puts you into pure sleaze territory.
On any forum, when you make up stuff and pretend that the other person said it in a fake quote to (supposedly) advance your argument, you are considered to be scum.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 21, 2015, 03:20:03 AM
idiot, im not even talking about the ferrocell
im talking about polarity phase shift in a STATIONARY magnet.
OK, I'll bite...
What are you referring to by "polarity phase shift in a STATIONARY magnet" and how is it measured?
Specifically, "phase shift" of what, relative to what?
Joel, get a magnet and a compass and rock on.
Good question @picowatt,'relative to what'
QuoteJoel, get a magnet and a compass and rock on.
get a flashlight and measure the speed of light?
Measure it in the equator of the earth...then measure it in the north pole and in the south pole. Then travel to them moon and measure it again...then travel to your aunus and measure it again....The magnetic fields are not static...even water has magnetic fields.
Why not understand the vortex and keep on learning? maybe that is the medicine to your stupidity? lol
Looks like Kenny is dropping down the list. Chances are he is RUNNING AWAY tonight to go and lick his wounds and hide under the covers.
QuoteLooks like Kenny is dropping down the list. Chances are he is RUNNING AWAY tonight to go and lick his wounds and hide under the covers.
Yeah, or maybe he is laughing to you and saying to himself..."fuck these dumbasses" I give up for today. But tomorrow, i'll come back to remind them how stupid they are...lol. Even kings need to sleep. Now you shoould go to sleep too my queen... to get that beauty sleep. lol
Joel, you go ahead and make a YouTube clip that shows us an alleged magnetic vortex. The one catch is that there can be no ferrocell light patterns because that's BS.
Show us your proof that there is an alleged magnetic vortex.
I think he is running away.
Joel:'I give up for today.'
Well what weapon will he come with 2morro? Next he'l be telling the children that by shoving a magnet into ice-cream you can now see its vibes
Precession and phasing of the dielectric inertial plane (being in phase once electrified) is the second attribute to the doublehyperbola-disk magnetodielectric geometry of Field Incommensurability. Coherent field incommensurability in the conjugation of inversely-moving field phenomena (magnetism and dielectricity) in a binding system necessitates this special geometry (see below) and additionally the precessional coherent phasing which comprises not only the polarization of the magnetic field which it is definitionally, but its vortex spin phenomena as the nucleal proton(s) precess against the dielectric inertial plane and likewise resultantly precession, in a vortex pattern, the polarized macro-magnetic dominances of the "magnet".
This paragraph as also the entire book contain common words, but with a different meaning that their day by day use. Interpreting this text ad litteram has the same results as interpreting old papyrus ad litteram! Just a mechani It is just a mechanical way of reading! The same for understanding!
Quote from: MileHigh on March 21, 2015, 03:29:14 AM
You just crossed a line that puts you into pure sleaze territory.
words of hate from fools is validity of wisdom from those they direct same at.
"to insult a fool is the praise of wisdom" - Myself.
"were i to say things fools agreed with, Id kill myself right quick, for THIS IS PROOF OF FAILURE!" - PLETHON
Youre scum, son, and a disinformation agent. ;D
What are you trying to say sadang.english please
Apophasis:'Youre scum, son, and a disinformation agent. ;D'
Uh-uh mr apophasis.milehigh never tried to dis-inform before in this website from my experience.he just try(he doesn't have to even try here) to get you to into your own corner bro.can you get out of it
For those with a rested mind:
- https://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=magnetic+vortex+at+quantum+level (https://www.google.ro/search?num=100&q=magnetic+vortex+at+quantum+level)
QuoteJoel, you go ahead and make a YouTube clip that shows us an alleged magnetic vortex. The one catch is that there can be no ferrocell light patterns because that's BS.
OK OK, show what is causing a magnetic field around a rock? Then post it on a video on YouTube! meh!
QuoteWell what weapon will he come with 2morro? Next he'l be telling the children that by shoving a magnet into ice-cream you can now see its vibes
Do you understand the properties of a magnet 100%?
Ice-cream does have magnetic properties!
I can't understand your stupidity? If I become stupid, maybe I will.
Can you tell me how to become stupid?
Joel:'OK OK, show what is causing a magnetic field around a rock? Then post it on a video on YouTube! meh!'
?
Joel:'Can you tell me how to become stupid?'
Sure.open your mouth :)
Joel:'Do you understand the properties of a magnet 100%?'
No but apophasis is bringing back memories from my kindergarten school exam questions :)
What is AC current? A 360 degree circle. If you cut the circle in half, it is a 180 degree wave. In the negative or positive. An AC current is just 360 degrees positive circles. Because even in the upper wave, they are doing circles. So we have 360 positive upper and 360 negative lower = 720 degrees straight line. Wut?
Now has anyone ever asked themselves in what direction the top part of the wave is spining VS in what direction the lower part of the wave is spinning?
Ok! an AC wave is a full circle...and a DC wave is half a circle....but at what direction are the half waves spinning?
profitis, do you know?
Joel:'Ok! an AC wave is a full circle...and a DC wave is half a circle....but at what direction are the half waves spinning?'
what showsup on the oscillato-screen? Depends which way you move your magnet.up or down
Me: Do you understand the properties of a magnet 100%?
profitis: No.
Well, there is nothing else to be said to profitis...lol 8) :o ;D
Joel:'profitis: No.'
Oh and you do?
Quotewhat showsup on the oscillato-screen? Depends which way you move your magnet.up or down
An AC wave in the oscillato moving clockwise or counter clockwise?
A DC wave in the oscillato moving clockwise or counter clockwise?
Then tell me who told them to move clockwise or counter clockwise?
But first show me your instrumets that measured the spinning of the AC and DC waves. :P
Joel:'A DC wave in the oscillato moving clockwise or counter clockwise?'
North up clockwise current.south up counterclockwise current
Oh dear,
poor old TheoriaApophasis gets muddled on his own life story.
I remember he told the beer swill in' Aussie Tinfoil last July that he
retired at 32 and mentions graduating 3 years early!
John.
QuoteNorth up clockwise current.south up counterclockwise current
Ohhh you just describe a circle...lol
And not only that...when a line is going up, it goes clockwise, and when it curves down, it goes counter. Did you just contradict yourself bro? ???
Make up your stupid mind bro...lol
TheoriaApophasis only answers things that he wants to. I ask him where he stands
with regard to current thinking because at least some of it must be more or less right
but he never responds.
As for another 300 pages of rubbish, wouldn't 10 good pages suffice TOTAL. Just one
good proof from a Ferrocell would do it for me but all we get are the same old images.
John.
Joel:'And not only that...when a line is going up, it goes clockwise, and when it curves down, it goes counter. Did you just contradict yourself bro? ???'
What are you trying desperatly to say bro
Minnie:'As for another 300 pages of rubbish, wouldn't 10 good pages suffice TOTAL'
Actually just one useful demo would do fine
QuoteTheoriaApophasis only answers things that he wants to. I ask him where he stands
with regard to current thinking because at least some of it must be more or less right
but he never responds.
As for another 300 pages of rubbish, wouldn't 10 good pages suffice TOTAL. Just one
good proof from a Ferrocell would do it for me but all we get are the same old images.
My apologies but there is nothing you can understand past milking cows.
Diffraction is when a wave goes through a small hole and has a flared out geometric shadow of the slit. Diffraction is a characteristic of waves of all types. We can hear around a corner because of the diffraction of sound waves. For instance, if a wall is next to you when you yell, the sound will parallel the wall. The wall may stop, but the voice doesn't; sound will almost turn the corner of the wall. This is diffraction.
Refraction is when waves, whether physical or electromagnetic, are deflected when the waves go through a substance. The wave generally changes the angle of its general direction.
Words, just words, arrogance and bad intentions...
QuoteWhat are you trying desperatly to say bro
That you are a monkey human. You are #112 created in a lab testing on monkeys. Your name is ceasar and you are the...you are the future of the planet of the apes, which is the next step of humanity. Humans will de-evolve to monkeys and you are the key for de-evolving your majesty. I'll kiss your hairy feet my king. ( #9lol)
Joel:'I'll kiss your hairy feet my king.'
You want to kiss them again? ;)
Sadang'Words, just words,'
Bingo
QuoteYou want to kiss them again?
I was being sarcastic your tragedy. Can I have your permission to go take a poop your majesty?
Well, the logic just went out your dumbo ears lol.
Joel:'Can I have your permission to go take a poop your majesty?'
Not until you tell apophasis to re-open the bismuth case :) his last weapon of hope
QuoteNot until you tell apophasis to re-open the bismuth case
Why don't you tell him yourself?
Who is apophasis?
Pay me 300 USD and I'll tell him? ceasar.
Quote from: sadang on March 21, 2015, 05:06:57 AM
xxx
Too much talk about the Ferrocell. ;D ;D ;D
I didnt even know it existed until the 2nd edition of my book. I had already worked out the precessional hyperboloid of magnetism BEFORE i even discovered the Ferrocell invention and talked to its inventor.
The lovely ferrocell was only the icing on the cake i had already created and cracked and understood.
Of this fact, the inventor, Timm , can confirm same , my 2nd edition was already out before i ever even contacted him or knew of his invention.
The
precessional hyperboloid (copyright 10-2014 Ken w) that IS magnetism, cannot exist as a self-mediated pressure of the dielectric field in ANY other way than as a centripetal / centrifugal vortex which MUST be and CAN ONLY BE extrapolated AS a hypotrochoid
A precessional hyperboloid, which likewise is reciprocating "from pole to pole" can ONLY and ABSOLUTELY be extrapolated by a Toroidal hypotrochoid of pressure mediation.
Of THIS fact, there are NONE ON EARTH that can deny this.
It is 100% Irrefutable, and 100% my discovery. ;D ;)
(everyone else be damned) ;D
Detractors can spit blood and bullshit ALL THEY WANT, until they run out of air. ........... But I am and was the first person on earth fully explain and understand both what magnetism is, how it works, and denote the nature of how "the magnet works".
However the complete explanation with all the finer details is the 300+ pages coming, it nevertheless is complete already, save for the details.
All the spit and venom from the knuckle dragging apes on this board and thread will never change this fact. ;D
Joel:'Why don't you tell him yourself?'
Have already.he won't listen.the case remains a mystery
When is the latest edition of the book coming out?
Joel:'Who is apophasis?'
Your master
Quote from: profitis on March 21, 2015, 05:36:05 AM
Joel:'Why don't you tell him yourself?'
Have already.he won't listen.the case remains a mystery
awww, do you need a hug?
Quote from: profitis on March 21, 2015, 05:37:13 AM
Joel:'Who is apophasis?'
Your master
The master is always a teacher. The whiner is always the enemy...lol go ahead and complain till your purple teary face becomes pink. lol
Apophasis:'All the spit and venom from the knuckle dragging apes on this board and thread will never change this fact. ;D'
You're going to tell them that colloidal magnetic floaters shows a moving vortex within a magnet? Shame on you sir,false teachings
Joel:'The master is always a teacher'
Well your master is teaching you bullshit buddi,feel sorry 4 you(not really).dont drink the cyanide when the master says drink later on ne ( atleast tell the other kids not to if you insist :) )
Quote from: profitis on March 21, 2015, 05:43:40 AM
You're going to tell them that colloidal magnetic floaters shows a moving vortex within a magnet? Shame on you sir,false teachings
my own invention , a special ferro-suspension alone proves a vortex.
No less than 20 people have seen it in their own hands. ;D
I have created 4 unique ferro-suspension with unique properties nobody has ever seen before.
Now, crawl back in your hole snake.
QuoteWell your master is teaching you bullshit buddi,feel sorry 4 you(not really).dont drink the cyanide when the master says drink later on ne ( atleast tell the other kids not to if you insist
I was trying to say that you are my master. I bow down to you and kiss your stinky hairy feet! I choke a chicken every night for your forgiveness.
What do I need to do next master?
Apophasis:'my own invention , a special ferro-suspension alone proves a vortex.
No less than 20 people have seen it in their own hands. ;D
I have created 4 unique ferro-suspension with unique properties nobody has ever seen before.
Now, crawl back in your hole snake.'
You bastard :) you're really going to do this you shit! Why? Why? All ferro-magnetic particles,liquids,solids can ONLY show the magneto-allignments.no inner-workings of the magnet is revealed!
Joel:'What do I need to do next master?'
Suck my dick
QuoteSuck my dick
I'll suck your sisters dick your majesty.
Do you have any sisters your Highness?
Joel:'I'll suck your sisters dick your majesty.
Do you have any sisters your Highness?'
No.focus on my dick,go deeper..
QuoteNo.focus on my dick,go deeper..
Hey there boy. lol calm your tits ;D
Profitis, when was the last time you had a female? Your majesty? lol
Let me borrow your sister, your majesty?
You are a stupid clown...lol...all the logistics went out the door in your stupid mind....lol
Joel:'Hey there gay boy. lol calm your tits ;D'
Hey,you asked
QuoteHey,you asked
I was not aware you liked the D in your pipes sir.
Joel:'I was not aware you liked the D in your pipes sir.'
Theres something about you,but thanks.twas great :)
@TheoriaApophasis
I also have not knew about ferrocell until 2-3 months ago. Hope to soon complete the frame for ferrocell and to start my own experiments. However, until then I'm still waiting for two lasers to complete the colloidal silver experiment.
What the detractors on this topic can not or do not want to comprehed is the magnetism is not and can not be understood in the absence of ether, other way than in the current abstract mental concept. Some of them sincerely don't have the capacity to comprehend this, others are afraid about what will happen with their own references if they have to agree with its existence, but there are others who know very well about its existence but want its monopoly.
QuoteThe precessional hyperboloid (copyright 10-2014 Ken w) that IS magnetism, cannot exist as a self-mediated pressure of the dielectric field in ANY other way than as a centripetal / centrifugal vortex which MUST be and CAN ONLY BE extrapolated AS a hypotrochoid
How many do you think understand the sentence "self-mediated pressure of the dielectric field", when most of them confuse the dielectric field with electric field, or in the bast case see it as ether comprised in space.
Others see this sentence "centripetal / centrifugal vortex" as a nonsense, because they think these two dynamics have to cancel each other. Its hard in an empty space to think other way!
Anyway, maybe sometime in the future we will have to have a long discussion about precession movement, because I see it totally different than the current view.
Kenny:
It's time to make you squirm again.
In posting #3619 you said this:
Quotewords of hate from fools is validity of wisdom from those they direct same at.
Ever since you started this thread you have been demeaning, degrading, and insulting people consistently and for the long haul. You insult and degrade some very intelligent people that every regular on this forum knows.
You are the person that espouses words of hate. Of course, most, if not all, people take it with a grain of salt because you are a clown.
Quotewords of hate from fools is validity of wisdom from those they direct same at.
You are saying, "Don't listen to me because I am a hate-spouting fool. The people that are saying that I am full of crap are the wise ones and what they are saying is valid."
And that's the real truth.
MileHigh
Sadang:
I asked you this question before and you ignored it so I will ask it again:
Let's see you solve one problem or demonstrate something practical with Kenny's spinning vortex theories.
MileHigh
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 21, 2015, 01:56:52 AM
I retired at age 31, was chess champ in high school
Let's play some "go" then? I've always wanted to play a prodigy savant. Joel chickened out after challenging me. So why not you. I mean if you're really so smart.... :)
Quoteworried about how to get RICH and or LAID
I'm sure the later is something you are not burdened with. :)
Sadang:'self-mediated pressure of the dielectric field",'
He likes to use big words for zero effect. The time is now 16:00:05 21/03/2015 johannesburg standard time and counting and still absolute zero evidence of any wobbly or disequilibria in any single magnet
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 21, 2015, 02:58:37 AM
You dont even know the DEFINITION of the very term VORTEX
Apparently neither do you. Stopped cold by a single question. Your only response? Fabricate that I was talking about something. :)
How can he have retired at 31 this year when he retired at 32 last year?
Perhaps relativity was involved? Living faster than the speed of light?
John.
Sadang:'What the detractors on this topic can not or do not want to comprehed is the magnetism is not and can not be understood in the absence of ether'
You do understand that master kenny is about to 'teach' thousands of children incorrectly.bad karma sadang.
Quote from: sadang on March 21, 2015, 09:18:46 AM
What the detractors on this topic can not or do not want to comprehed is the magnetism is not and can not be understood in the absence of ether
Well then prove that no other sufficient non-etherial model can possibly exist. Whoops. You can't. Sadang stopped cold with one question. :)
Can't believe what I am reading on these so many pages of just junk.
"Action at a distance" (Aaad) is the basis for all our past and present illusions. The one who can describe a reasoning that sounds goods, sounds smart, uses words with many syllables will always gain an audience no matter how ludicrous the purported theory. It becomes another religion, let's believe brothers and sisters that there is an active entity between Coil 1 and Coil 2, between Magnet 1 and Magnet 2, between Sun and Earth, between life and reincarnation, between light source and light target, there absolutely has to be something in BETWEEN.
This is the between you guys are dreaming about just like the dreamers of past and present. This is the between that has been rationalized, quantified, given values and formulas and this is the between that we are standing on wondering, "Hey WTF is all this crap".
The Atom, the true Superman is relegated to general maintenance chores while these fields take over the limelight and get front page coverage at ever turn. The Gravity that is the only reality required in our universe and the only one that can play with the Atom has also been commandeered and is now but a small note in the textbooks.
All of you are just sucked in the same illusion, the same well contrived trap, a trap that keeps you covered with a field and now @TA wants this same illusion to dance around in a vortex.
What the top men of the world don't want us to know is the true power of Atoms and Gravity (AGRA). So they push the field, flux, magnetism, electron, QM and now vortex constructs to keep you away from the base reality of AGRA because if you knew what the atom can do, if you started to experiment in ways that would make this obvious, if you started to master the true power of the Atoms, it's angularity, the way more Atoms generate more Gravity, the way Gravity is the motor of all action/reaction, the way outer space is simply diluted gravity, the fact that outerspace never was a vacuum, the way our human body harbors and uses specialized atoms to produce the many prerequisites of life, we would not need education as we do today. Anyone would become a master of the Atom within a few months.
So you guys in this thread of vortecations, ferrocelations, and @TA style fornications is but a microcosm of the real force these illusions play in our daily lives. We consider a field more real then the magnet itself. Fuck the magnet, look at the field. Screw the coil, look at its field. Screw the Atom, look at the electron. This is where we are today and you guys are a perfect rendition of the quasi-futile struggle man has to break away from these illusions. But it will never happen with guys like @TA who think whats better then 10 feet of shit, is 12 feet of shit. hahaha
So keep on going boys. Follow @TA to the ends of the Earth. Bask in his anointed verbiations, dive into every syllable, live every counterspacial effect and in 20 years we will talk again when you have all reached this Vortexian Nirvana and we will see how all this helped your lives progress and how it changed our state of affairs on this planet.
What a real farce.
wattsup
History shows clearly that the advances of science have always been frustrated by the tyrannical influences of certain preconceived notions which were turned into unassailable dogmas. For that reason alone, every serious scientist should periodically make a profound reexamination of his basic principles.
-LOUIS DE BROGLIE
New Perspectives in Physics
Basic Books, New York, 1962
Quote from: joel321 on March 21, 2015, 02:45:05 AM
If everything is constant, why is everything evolving?
For sure the formula e=mc squared will be the same 100 years from now if you look in your crystal ball?
If you look at the history of time, the birth of e=mcsquared started from the gun powder. Since it started thousands of years ago, the powder formula for today is not static and will change in the future.
Please do tell how do you understand the speed of light? :P
Not to mentioned that a car going 30MPH where the earth is spinning at 1000MPH made any sense to you. And then I asked if the perimeter of the earth was 100 times it's size, would the same car be going at 30MPH in the perimeter of the 100 times the size of the newly earth...? lol...I would expect a lot of brain farting from you pirate :P
No brain fart required. Read Einstein's Theory Of Relativity which explains all of your above questions. Basically, to determine a velocity, it depends on the position of the observer relative to the object in question. The earth is moving through space as is the solar system. So, which velocity do you want to solve for? Compared to what?
Just try reading it, it will answer all of your basic questions you have asked above.
Bill
Quote from: sadang on March 21, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
History shows clearly that the advances of science have always been frustrated by the tyrannical influences of certain preconceived notions which were turned into unassailable dogmas. For that reason alone, every serious scientist should periodically make a profound reexamination of his basic principles.
-LOUIS DE BROGLIE
New Perspectives in Physics
Basic Books, New York, 1962
Louis contributed to physics but he's less than a bargan basement sociologist. There are far more advances in science than there ever could be tyrannical influences to stop them. It's simple math.
One could argue more lucidly that science would be far, far, far, far more often frustrated than in Louis De Broglie's cloak-and-dagger delusion if everyone acted like you....and refuse to answer even the simplest of questions. :) (and pretend that this is somehow a learning opportunity for those posing the questions )
Your attempt to glorify apophasis is unreasonable @sadang.he has yet to show what he says he has seen.we are going to take serious steps backward in knowledge if the youth are shown colloidal suspentions and then told that this is what's going on inside a magnet.
Colloidal suspentions,ferromagneto-optic polarization,biological patterns,DO NOT reveal inner-oscillations of any magnet sadang.
Here' a closeup of iron oxide crystals.what pattern would these blades make while cutting through oil or water toward a magnet field.
Quote from: sadang on March 21, 2015, 09:18:46 AM
What the detractors on this topic can not or do not want to comprehed is the magnetism is not and can not be understood in the absence of ether, other way than in the current abstract mental concept. Some of them sincerely don't have the capacity to comprehend this, others are afraid about what will happen with their own references if they have to agree with its existence, but there are others who know very well about its existence but want its monopoly.
That simplex stuff is beyond their comprehension, theyre brainwashed by Quantum WOO WOO, ie the Cult of Quantum which teaches that "mother nature" is an INSANE CRACK WH0RE
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: sadang on March 21, 2015, 09:18:46 AM
How many do you think understand the sentence "self-mediated pressure of the dielectric field", when most of them confuse the dielectric field with electric field, or in the bast case see it as ether comprised in space.
Its utterly SIMPLEX, yet they think talk like that is "strange" or complex, its just absurd.
its no diff. than saying "water flows downhill"
Quote from: sadang on March 21, 2015, 09:18:46 AM
Others see this sentence "centripetal / centrifugal vortex" as a nonsense, because they think these two dynamics have to cancel each other. Its hard in an empty space to think other way!
Well , inertia CANCELS out divergence, which creates space (the divergence byproduct).
Well, these peeps are BRAINWASHED
Quote from: sadang on March 21, 2015, 09:18:46 AM
Anyway, maybe sometime in the future we will have to have a long discussion about precession movement, because I see it totally different than the current view.
After i get back from the Bahamas! ;D ;D ;D
@Smoky where are you I have to ask you a question.need your opinion on something
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2015, 02:12:16 PM
Read Einstein's Theory Of Relativity which explains all of your above questions.
NOT ONLY is that still a THEORY
its MORE DISPROVEN today than EVERY YEAR SINCE he STOLE the idea from Poincare'
pathetic asshat. :D :D
Quote from: MileHigh on March 21, 2015, 09:45:56 AM
Kenny:
Ever since you started this thread I have been demeaning, degrading, and insulting people consistently and for the long haul. I have insulted and degrade some very intelligent people that every regular on this forum knows.
And that's the real truth.
MileHigh
Yes I agree you have, but youre just brainwashed by Quantum WOO WOO
Ultimately, no joke, you have been brainwashed that
"mother nature" is an INSANE CRACK WH0RE with a broken calculator. Many people suffer your brain-wasting disease. Likely theres no cure for you, its too DEEP into the furry skin of your bestial nature.
its good your mentality doesnt SHOW on the outside like your skin.........otherwise...................
Let's quote MileHigh completely and CORRECTLY.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 21, 2015, 09:45:56 AM
Kenny:
It's time to make you squirm again.
In posting #3619 you said this:
Ever since you started this thread you have been demeaning, degrading, and insulting people consistently and for the long haul. You insult and degrade some very intelligent people that every regular on this forum knows.
You are the person that espouses words of hate. Of course, most, if not all, people take it with a grain of salt because you are a clown.
You are saying, "Don't listen to me because I am a hate-spouting fool. The people that are saying that I am full of crap are the wise ones and what they are saying is valid."
And that's the real truth.
MileHigh
(emphasis mine)
The "you" referred to by MH is Kenny. And anyone reading this thread can see the REAL TRUTH in MileHigh's statement. Kenny baby is so insecure that he can't seem to make a single post without emitting some pottymouth garbage insult to someone, and he needs to brag about his wealth in order to feel that he has any value at all. Yet he cannot construct a simple True Experiment, or provide any actual empirical support for his claims. This, too, is obvious to the readers of this thread.
Quote from: the Tattooed Geniusits good your mentality doesnt SHOW on the outside like your skin.........otherwise...................
Hilarious! Coming from someone who has made a travesty of his own skin.... Look at ME ME ME he cries, trying to get some attention in any way he can.
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 21, 2015, 04:05:16 PM
Let's quote MileHigh completely and CORRECTLY.
(emphasis mine)
The "you" referred to by MH is Kenny. And anyone reading this thread can see the REAL TRUTH in MileHigh's statement. Kenny baby is so insecure that he can't seem to make a single post without emitting some pottymouth garbage insult to someone, and he needs to brag about his wealth in order to feel that he has any value at all. Yet he cannot construct a simple True Experiment, or provide any actual empirical support for his claims. This, too, is obvious to the readers of this thread.
Where did Kenny get his money? Is he being paid for his mental disability from the state or something? If so, that means we (the taxpayers) are paying him. Man, that sucks if that is the case.
Bill
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 21, 2015, 03:45:08 PM
That simplex stuff is beyond their comprehension, theyre brainwashed by Quantum WOO WOO, ie the Cult of Quantum which teaches that "mother nature" is an INSANE CRACK WH0RE
Always amusing people like TheoriaApophasis and his minion sontag? sandag? sandbag? They cry loud and long about people being biased by preconceptions yet fail to comprehend how they are giving into their own.
QuoteAfter i get back from the Bahamas! ;D ;D ;D
Try not to steal other peoples pictures when you post them....also learn to resize there SeaMonkey.
So, let's repeat:
- electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization;
- magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge;
- dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q; - 'electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.
More details for ordinary people in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism", for studious skeptics in the scientific literature prior relativity, and for dogmatic skeptics there are no more details.
Quote from: sadang on March 21, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
More details for ordinary people in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism", for studious skeptics in the scientific literature prior relativity
...because dictating to people unfounded claims is what "studious skeptics" do?
Quoteand for dogmatic skeptics there are no more details.
Considering all you do is come in here proclaim a bunch of stuff then refuse to answer questions. I'm pretty sure the only dogmatic skeptic is you....which I suppose explains why you can't even answer one question: "no more details". :)
Smoky where r u.gota ask u a question
I been following this thread and have to say that many of Mr Wheeler theories in his book goes parallel to what Tesla , W. Russell and V. Shrauberger wrote in their books. This is the first time I actually have it explained in a way that goes more with modern science. I have not finished his book but I can say that here he presents a free book, which have a lot of work and detail and have been considerably worked on. I wonder how many people in this forum have free books written in ANY theory or experiment that actually want to share. Just for the work on it and making it freely available I have to give him credit for his time and work. For having theory that is consonant with the work of some of the greatest inventors that actually discovered something and PROVED their discoveries in their time I have to give even more credit. Is his theory perfect? I still dont know, but he seems to be getting results. From some other people here all I see is questioning , witch hunting, a lot of babble, maybe envy??? I do understand that our minds are very hard to change. It is human nature. But since I dont claim I know anything more than anyone , I think I can enjoy this book more than most , coming from a real neutral point and building up on it. It is funny to note that both Tesla , Russell and Schrauberger did invent machinery that actually worked based on their theories, and that all the scientific world at their time either ignored, tried to ridicule, or plain tried to make them dissapear from the science and history books and from earth itself. Every time I see someone trying to explain magnetism , gravity , or trying to go some other way that is not what mainstream science want everyone to believe I see all this attacks coming. People want demostrations inmediately , and a way to reproduce the experiments, but all with their own agenda of stealing of somehow making money.
If we could understand exactly magnetism and specially gravity, and a cheap way to control it, all the monopolies around us would collapse. Getting endless energy from the enviroment as Tesla PROVED , or using that energy to grow bigger natural crops(without GMO or genetic manipulation) like Scharauberger PROVED, or being able to transform and create matter and change one element into another without fusion like Schrauberger did and Russell suggested,.. all this beautiful things dont go with the mediocre way we humans think or with our constant greed. Royal Rife actually created and tested the cure for cancer and most virus and he was drove into bankruptcy and eventually jail, the doctors using his machinery intimidated, even as 2 of them continued to secretly heal people for 22 years.
I was expecting from the people who know a lot here to be more open about this kind of technology, and try maybe to understand, experiment and duplicate themselves? I know that is what a real scientific would do.
Well Mr Wheeler I sent you a PM, thanks for your book and your effort on bringing it forward. It is appreciated.
Raz:' I still dont know, but he seems to be getting results.'
What results @raz
Im not going to get in endless discussions here like I see many of you have done. Well the guy actually explained magnetism for one. He wrote a book about it. Have you read about the authors I quoted to understand what I am talking about? Have you read Tesla, Schrauberger and specially Russell, and Rife and Thompson and George Adams ? I think Mr. Wheeler have put a pretty decent explanation for magnetism using what all these previous authors explained before him. He found a common ground and made some of us actually rethink the ether and understand it better. Can you prove to me all of quantum mechanics or lets say superstring theory? Can you validate them totally? When you write a book even if it is about flying unicorns and it make sense and then you give it for free I can give you credit. I think what I said in my previous post is pretty self explanatory. I am not engaging in a cat and mouse with you or anyone here. I already stated my opinion. Any envy , hatred, doubts etc that you have against the author I think you can take it to him and he will answer you. Have a nice day.
So, let's continue developing a bit the most important element, namely dielectricity. It is defined in Ken's book as follow:
- dielectricity is the fundamental Ether-modality of the entire cosmos
- dielectricity is the Ether under torsion and torque at its inertial plane
- dielectricity is counterspace
- dielectricity is the Ether boundary, the inertial plane, and the membrane at which only another conjugate polarized field can torque to create other phenomena
- dielectricity is counterspatial, is centripetal, is inertial and does not act on (most) other phenomena
- dielectricity is the conjugate of magnetism
- dielectricity is a versor in counterspace
- dielectricity is greater inverse to the space
- dielectricity is counterspatial, inertial, radial, and centripetal
- dielectricity is electropositive
- dielectricity is necessitatively divergent in discharge in an expanding circulatory fashion
- dielectricity is to gravitation as electricity is to magnetism
- dielectricity is the point causation for the creation of mass/gravity
- dielectricity is a superluminal radial and counterspatial inertial plane in the inter-atomic
---#---
More details for ordinary people in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism (https://www.scribd.com/doc/240223323/UNCOVERING-THE-MISSING-SECRETS-OF-MAGNETISM-3rd-Edition)", for studious skeptics in the scientific literature prior relativity, and for dogmatic skeptics there are no more details.
sadang,.. can I understand for what you say that we can create a gravity field by channeling dielectricity properly??
Quote from: Raz on March 22, 2015, 05:52:44 AM
Im not going to get in endless discussions here
...because sadang you have no information to contribute. :)
QuoteAny envy
See this (and the postcount) just screams "sockpuppet"....
Quotedoubts etc that you have against the author I think you can take it to him and he will answer you. Have a nice day.
Then clearly you have NOT been following this thread.
Quote from: sadang on March 22, 2015, 06:21:22 AM
More stuff proclaimed without substantiation in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism (https://www.scribd.com/doc/240223323/UNCOVERING-THE-MISSING-SECRETS-OF-MAGNETISM-3rd-Edition)", for willing sheep, and for people asking simple and clear there are no more details.
Exactly.
Raz:'He wrote a book about it.'
Wow.this must make this oscillating unstable vortexian the real deal right? Wrong.
Raz:'Can you prove to me all of quantum mechanics or lets say superstring theory? Can you validate them totally?'
They validate a heck of a lot better than this hidden 'oscillation'
Gravity field is smooth.electric field is smooth.but the magnetic field must wobble?
Quote from: Raz on March 22, 2015, 06:28:44 AM
sadang,.. can I understand for what you say that we can create a gravity field by channeling dielectricity properly??
Raz, don't go too further in so short time. First thing, these are quotes from Ken's book not my own words. Here I just try to emphasize his work, and all these are just an invitation to personal reading and why not personal study! They are just quotes, and should not be read and especially interpreted ad-litteram.
Now, I do not know how to create something against something else that does not exist at all, besides the human interpretation of a specific phenomena! Interpretation founded and developed on the existence of empty space, which have to be filled with... all current scientific stuff.
sadang,
just answer to one question please. What is dielectricity?
Thank you very much,
John.
John, dielectricity is all written above and in essence is ether in motion.
Quote from: sadang on March 22, 2015, 01:56:38 PM
John, dielectricity is all written above and in essence is ether in motion.
Yeah but the problem is that there is no ether. That's just a 19th century idea when they didn't know any better. Various experiments have been done to look for ether but it was not found. Of course you are going to ignore that and stick your head in the sand.
There is just the impedance of free space. Electromagnetic waves can propagate through a 100% vacuum, you need to deal with that.
They even have a value for the impedance of free space, it's 376.72 ohms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_of_free_space (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_of_free_space)
Shocking, eh? There is actually real substantive information and research backing up all of this.
You can put your head in the sand alongside Kenny. Kenny's head has been in the sand since he cited two articles that use quantum mechanics to explain extremely slight variations in the speed of light.
The problem is that None of kenny's expos RULES OUT the most common lenz-law or magneto-allignment laws.these are found in children's books.
Yes indeed MileHigh. I know very well what you say here, just I don't agree with all these. The ether was not found because this is the official version, promoted trough academic media, but there are many experiments who proved the existence of ether as it was thought about at that times. But - "Of course you are going to ignore that and stick your head in the sand."
Now, "free space" of what and in what, delimited by what? Electromagnetic waves of what? Impedance of what against what? Abstract mental concepts or their math equivalents?
Shocking, eh?
I said in a previous message that I'm not foreign to electromagnetic field. Did you forget? Let me remind that everything is just a matter of interpretation! Wrong premises, wrong results!
The problem is that if kenny wanted to throw a new theory on magnetism forward he shouldve just said,'hey chaps,what do u think of my theory?' Instead of :'hey chaps,this is how it is,go fuck yourselves'
The fact that kenny has declared:'hey chaps,this is how it is,go fuck yourselves' makes me wonder about motive.
Quote from: sadang on March 22, 2015, 06:21:22 AM
So, let's continue developing a bit the most important element, namely dielectricity. It is defined in Ken's book as follow:
- dielectricity is the fundamental Ether-modality of the entire cosmos
- dielectricity is the Ether under torsion and torque at its inertial plane
- dielectricity is counterspace
- dielectricity is the Ether boundary, the inertial plane, and the membrane at which only another conjugate polarized field can torque to create other phenomena
- dielectricity is counterspatial, is centripetal, is inertial and does not act on (most) other phenomena
- dielectricity is the conjugate of magnetism
- dielectricity is a versor in counterspace
- dielectricity is greater inverse to the space
- dielectricity is counterspatial, inertial, radial, and centripetal
- dielectricity is electropositive
- dielectricity is necessitatively divergent in discharge in an expanding circulatory fashion
- dielectricity is to gravitation as electricity is to magnetism
- dielectricity is the point causation for the creation of mass/gravity
- dielectricity is a superluminal radial and counterspatial inertial plane in the inter-atomic
---#---
More details for ordinary people in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism (https://www.scribd.com/doc/240223323/UNCOVERING-THE-MISSING-SECRETS-OF-MAGNETISM-3rd-Edition)", for studious skeptics in the scientific literature prior relativity, and for dogmatic skeptics there are no more details.
"Dielectricity", as used in these "definitions", is so much word salad. Take any one of those statements and break it down into its component parts -- they are all nonsense. Take any of those statements and use them to derive a mathematical relationship among measurable variables and then construct an experiment to demonstrate the accuracy of that derived relationship.... you cannot, because they are all just meaningless word salad. The statements are even contradictory in themselves.
Dielectricity is counterspace.
But Dielectricity is a "versor".
But Dielectricity is a membrane.
But Dielectricity is a point.
But Dielectricity is radial.
But Dielectricity is a causation.
But Dielectricity is the Ether under torsion.
But Dielectricity is centripetal... but divergent.
Etc etc.
"Dielectricity" as the term is used above is a bunch of self-contradictory nonsense, demonstrated in the statements above.
my thoughts too mr tinselkoala.these guys are not giving us any tools to compehend or work with or make sense of what they are saying.how can one make progress like this.exactly ZERO evidence that a magnetic field is any different to the classic static field model.when I say zero I mean fuck-all,zip.zilch.nada
@TinselKoala
Thanks for the effort to clarify things up! For me this salad has the desired taste. Perhaps you forget the salt! Or perhaps your taste buds have atrophied or worn out from too many abstract ingredients and forgot the taste of salt! Try again but begin with salt in small doses. Good luck!
Sadang says:'blah-de-blah'
I say:'show me the fucking evi-dence rodriguez'
Well now I know what dielectricity is. Kenny doesn't think there are electrons so how
does he get round a relatively simple experiment such as Millicans oil drop experiment
which not only establishes the charge of the non existent electron but also it's mass?
John.
Quote from: minnie on March 22, 2015, 06:00:40 PM
Well now I know what dielectricity is. Kenny doesn't think there are electrons so how
does he get round a relatively simple experiment such as Millicans oil drop experiment
which not only establishes the charge of the non existent electron but also it's mass?
John.
Isn't he the first one to establish a value for E? How can that be if they do not exist?
How can we have scanning electron microscopes if there are no electrons? I mean, we do have them, I have seen them. (electron microscopes not the electrons)
How can Kenny explain these inconsistencies? Wait, let me guess, he will explain them by cussing us all out once again.
Bill
John, dielectricity has nothing to do with electrons more than with what wrongly sustained Bohr in 1911 when he added Thomson's electrons to Rutherford's nucleated atom. The electrons and Rutherford-Bohr atom is obsolete from more than 50 years, but it is still taught in schools. For Milikan and his experiments would be great to read the journal of that experiments, or his debate with Ehrenhaft!
As for the electrons they don't even exists as defined by current science, but rather as transient mass-less entities, that do not even belong to the atom. These aspects are hard to understand and accept in the current scientific paradigm of empty space, so this is the reason I ask everyone to study for himself the bases of the current existing Laws in the science. They are all just a matter of interpretation. Wrong premises, wrong development, wrong interpretation, results accordingly! But repeated day by day they become immutable truth! Immutable truth that shape the current world accordingly. Exactly as in economy: the label make the product, not the product itself!
Here you go:
The electron rest mass (symbol: me) is the mass of a stationary electron. It is one of the fundamental constants of physics, and is also very important in chemistry because of its relation to the Avogadro constant. It has a value of about 9.11×10−31 kilograms or about 5.486×10−4 atomic mass units, equivalent to an energy of about 8.19×10−14 joules or about 0.511 megaelectronvolts.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_rest_mass
Yes one mole of sodium ions(Na+) will weigh slightly less than one mole sodium (Na)
QuoteI been following this thread and have to say that many of Mr Wheeler theories in his book goes parallel to what Tesla , W. Russell and V. Shrauberger wrote in their books. This is the first time I actually have it explained in a way that goes more with modern science. I have not finished his book but I can say that here he presents a free book, which have a lot of work and detail and have been considerably worked on. I wonder how many people in this forum have free books written in ANY theory or experiment that actually want to share. Just for the work on it and making it freely available I have to give him credit for his time and work. For having theory that is consonant with the work of some of the greatest inventors that actually discovered something and PROVED their discoveries in their time I have to give even more credit. Is his theory perfect? I still dont know, but he seems to be getting results. From some other people here all I see is questioning , witch hunting, a lot of babble, maybe envy??? I do understand that our minds are very hard to change. It is human nature. But since I dont claim I know anything more than anyone , I think I can enjoy this book more than most , coming from a real neutral point and building up on it. It is funny to note that both Tesla , Russell and Schrauberger did invent machinery that actually worked based on their theories, and that all the scientific world at their time either ignored, tried to ridicule, or plain tried to make them dissapear from the science and history books and from earth itself. Every time I see someone trying to explain magnetism , gravity , or trying to go some other way that is not what mainstream science want everyone to believe I see all this attacks coming. People want demostrations inmediately , and a way to reproduce the experiments, but all with their own agenda of stealing of somehow making money.
If we could understand exactly magnetism and specially gravity, and a cheap way to control it, all the monopolies around us would collapse. Getting endless energy from the enviroment as Tesla PROVED , or using that energy to grow bigger natural crops(without GMO or genetic manipulation) like Scharauberger PROVED, or being able to transform and create matter and change one element into another without fusion like Schrauberger did and Russell suggested,.. all this beautiful things dont go with the mediocre way we humans think or with our constant greed. Royal Rife actually created and tested the cure for cancer and most virus and he was drove into bankruptcy and eventually jail, the doctors using his machinery intimidated, even as 2 of them continued to secretly heal people for 22 years.
I was expecting from the people who know a lot here to be more open about this kind of technology, and try maybe to understand, experiment and duplicate themselves? I know that is what a real scientific would do.
Well Mr Wheeler I sent you a PM, thanks for your book and your effort on bringing it forward. It is appreciated.
Very well said guy. Actually everyone learns from results. 90% of the people are already programed to not believe anything because it has to do with evolution and part GREED (stranger danger).
When someone is introduced to a new idea, their unconscious mind holds back not matter if the idea is 100% true. They hold back the 100% ideas because they want to be part of the heard. They want to belong to the massed and not try to stand out. Psychological studies have been done about this all over the place. Even if someone knows that that is wrong to do, they will always follow the masses and justify it because they don't want to get singled out.
Then you have those people that are ahead of their time. There are some minds right now that are ahead of the year 2015 masses. They are 10-20 years ahead but they struggle to convince the lagging brains. Because the lagging brains CANNOT comprehend the brains that are "ahead of time".
Just like all states have governors and countries have presidents, it all boils down to the "leader". And the leader gets chosen by the masses no matter if they cause them harm or good. = Hitler! The masses choose him....he did not appoint himself the status!
TA, has too much time on his hands that he is figuring out stuff that will eventually get figured out. So I don't find his stuff far fetched at all and should not be. In a wold where mostly everyone is corrupted by greed, he is giving it out for free. And I'm most certain some smarter person than this forum has already made his views to benefit the world and other corrupt minds to take advantage of the low hanging fruit.
It should have been cleared a longgg time ago that the world is electric. = The only thing that we can perceive is the only thing that we can not perceive. = a balance of perception.
Don't dogs have a greater sense of smell?
Don't bats have a greater sense of hearing?
Don't owls have a greater sense of seeing in the dark? (bigger eyes to gather the light, eagles have little eyes but adapt to handle the bright light...still greater than a humans eye by 10-100X)
Those humans cannot understand but only imagine about.
Too many things to learn in soo little time. The nay sayers r just stuck in a loop forum! lol
Show me this! prove to me this! Show me the evidence. Which is it just 100% sure that they are seeking answers and not 100% convinced that they know EVERYTHING! They are like babies, daddy/mommy, why is this and that!
Let's now continue with the second most important modality of ether, namely magnetism, and see how Ken describes it:
- magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself
- magnetism is radiation, is definitionally the "dielectric field"- Faraday (and Maxwell)
- magnetism is the cause of the acceleration, rather inductive polarization by means of dielectric coherency
- magnetism is a pressure gradient of the Ether
- magnetism is a secondary response to dielectric forces
- magnetism is purely radiative, is the termination of electrification and the end-of-road byproduct of dielectricity
- magnetism is identical in that CW on CW approaches are a counter-voidance inertial plane torque of immense resistance.
- magnetism is only present as an attribute to another which is prior (however both are co-eternal and consubstantial, or 'where there is one you will always find the other')
- magnetism is radiation by definition
- magnetism is the dielectric field – Michael Faraday
- magnetism is the discharge Ether modality of dielectricity in termination.
- magnetism is the radiative discharge of dielectricity, or electrification in discharge at which time it terminates AS magnetism in losing its dielectric component.
- magnetism is spatial
- magnetism is but one force itself, however as magnetism is purely spatial in denotation it is polarized but as one moving Ether 'sink' and 'bubble'; magnetism has but one movement not two, nor 'two poles', CW and CCW are spatial abstractions of a singular movement of the magnetic field itself.
- magnetism is a spatial dimension
- magnetism is a versor solely of space (being circular, but not IN space, rather has an attributional quality OF space since a polarized Ether modality 'contains space' but is not in space).
- magnetism is definitionally polarized, it moves as pressure dictates it must
- magnetism is the 'dielectric field', is dielectricity in discharge, the radiation of same
- magnetism is a resultant of coherent inter-atomic dielectricity aligned to yield resultant polarized magnetic reciprocations
- magnetism is literally the polarized spatial 'breaks' upon which the universe is self-regulating
- magnetism is the spatial 'recoil' of electricity in termination, but is not the conjugate of electricity as conceived predominately as
'electromagnetism'
- magnetism is purely a spatial phenomena (as space) in circulation
- magnetism is almost rather literally a magneto-dielectric gyroscope in which the dilated inter-atomic dielectric 'flywheel' created in electrification is counterbalanced by the centrifugal and centripetal (polarized) Z-axial magnetic aperture, which is the accurate model
of magnetism, up to a point
- magnetism is a spatial circular reciprocating vortex, an Etheric pair of fountains and countersinks
- magnetism is definitionally spatial movement
- magnetism is a versor with (space in the field) space
- magnetism is the basis for the quadrature of the universe
- magnetism is a spatial field
- magnetism is a spatial conjugation, a polarization moving outwards in increasing and decreasing pressure gradients towards the dielectric inertial plane, whereas the centripetal counterspatial dielectric increases towards electro-stable generation and is discharged, or terminated in mass and resultantly gravity.
- magnetism is, of course, merely a polarized Ether bubble from electrification (not 'magnetization' as conventionally understood by the common person) of the iron, or neodymium-iron-boron mass, or in an electromagnet, or as is the case in the inter-atomic magneto-dielectric
volume
- magnetism is merely the model expression of Ether polarization in a spatially reciprocating circular
- magnetism is spatial, circular, centrifugal (and centripetal) and polarized
- magnetism is literally the polarization of dielectricity
- magnetism is strictly an end product of dynamic polarization into static radiative polarization, or as the byproduct of dielectric saturation which expels the resident magnetism in a system
- magnetism is created as a byproduct of dielectric manipulation, either by electrification into a mass which distorts the dielectric (meaning acceleration and capacitance) and likewise in turn the magnetic, or as the necessitated conjugate to electrification in TEM
- magnetism is Ether in preturbative movement
- magnetism is a posterior resultant to a prior which is dielectric coherency
- magnetism is by nature the rotary polarized terminus of electricity, a waste product and necessitated conjugate terminal of charge-discharge terminals of natural electrical inertia and momentum
- magnetism is a hyperbolic torque (tension) by which the Ether modality of inertia in discharge mediates its own discharge in creating the hyperboloid of magnetic centrifugal divergence against the inertial 'line' of the dielectric inertial plane of the so-called "magnet" (the coherent dielectric object) and mediates this pressure by polarized reciprocation and transverse reintegration once inertia has been regained
- magnetism is the necessitated spatial expression of inertial loss of dielectricity, which causes spatial reciprocation as the Ether modality of magnetism after which time it must terminate where dielectric voidance is lowest, centripetally on the other pole.
- magnetism is the radiation, the hyperboloid spatial vectorization and polarization of dielectricity in discharge
- magnetism is a circumferential force
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More details for ordinary people in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism (https://www.scribd.com/doc/240223323/UNCOVERING-THE-MISSING-SECRETS-OF-MAGNETISM-3rd-Edition)", for studious skeptics in the scientific literature prior relativity, and for dogmatic skeptics there are no more details.
Some of the things Tesla invented:
1.AC Generator.
2.fluorescent tubes-manufactured and used them 40 years before the industry"invented " them.
3.X-rays.
4.Radio
5.Remote control
6.laser
7.Electric motors
8.robotics
9.Wireless communication
10.Disk rotary turbine-(only turbine that can handle 2 and 3 phases gas/liquid/air without cavitation or self destruction)
11.Superconductivity
12.electrotherapy
+ more than 111 patents and his dynamic theory of gravity which he was going to give freely to the world and it is on a national security vault after the CIA raided his apartment when he died.
Walter Russell predicted more than 2 missing elements before they were discovered years later, and did it with a completely different theory and technology than the established science of his time.
Victor Schrauberger invented a implosion motor/generator, a flying machine, new ways to harnness the power of nature and water and predicted our present day worlwide man made contamination and the death of the forests.
None of them believed in the conventional science of their time. All of them believed in the ether.
So everyone here that says that ether science is not real, dont exist or dont work should go and read a little bit or maybe stop using A/C electricity and all of Tesla's derived inventions until they can prove to Tesla that his machines and the theory he used to develop them did not work.
Now , this guy claims that he made experiments while working at the Sprint corporation that proved that the ether exists and he is giving away his free book full of the experiments , theory, formulas and a way for any engineer to repeat the experiment:
http://www.teslaphysics.com/
Im sure with the data some of the engineers here can duplicate easily the experiment. Have a nice day.
Thanks Raz for this new book about ether. I like to see many individual researchers gives for free their work and results. That's the real path to real knowledge and for a real evolution of human society.
Quote from: sadang on March 23, 2015, 03:42:56 AM
Let's now continue with the second most important modality of ether, namely magnetism, and see how Ken describes it:
(insert scrambled random assortment of inconsistent and contradictory word-salad)
Quote
More details for ordinary people in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism (https://www.scribd.com/doc/240223323/UNCOVERING-THE-MISSING-SECRETS-OF-MAGNETISM-3rd-Edition)", for studious skeptics in the scientific literature prior relativity, and for dogmatic skeptics there are no more details.
That's the most hilarious thing I've read all day. Maybe TA will hire you as an editor! Or maybe he already has!
You are welcome sadang. The only way any progress will ever be made is when people start giving away freely for the good of the whole instead of trying to capitalize on the gain of the few. The ideal situation right now would be experiments and machinery that the weekend warrior could build on their garage regardless if they understand completely the theory or not but that work to make your life easier and less dependent on the private and government sector. Thanks to everyone who cooperate in this way.
Modern day theory and science of scalar wave technology ,explained, and experimental books and equipment to be repeated by anyone.Fully functional replica. Interactions of the potential vortex.
http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=10_Home&page=1&sublevel=0
Quote from: sadang on March 23, 2015, 04:19:40 AM
Thanks Raz for this new book about ether...
Isn't it odd that the scientific community has embraced the concept of 'quantum foam'...particles that permeate all of space and smaller than the Plank Scale dictates, but they refuse to acknowledge the word 'Aether'.
Why is this word so hated? see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_foam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_foam)
Quote from: sadang on March 23, 2015, 03:42:56 AM
More details for ordinary sheeple in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism (https://www.scribd.com/doc/240223323/UNCOVERING-THE-MISSING-SECRETS-OF-MAGNETISM-3rd-Edition)", for people unhappy with their current religion and would like something to rant about on forums, and for dogmatic skeptics like myself there are no more details. No questions are allowed. Only words from the Holy Book Of Jimmy will be accepted (and occasionally quotes from other scientists but we don't allow questions on those either).
FTFY
Quote from: pinestone on March 23, 2015, 08:42:58 AM
Why is this word so hated?
There is good reason to adopt new terms even if there are similarities to old terms. Clearly there existed an idea with the label "ether" which predicted some outcomes which were false. Introducing a modified idea with exactly the same label as a refuted idea just breeds confusion. This can be seen in a number of branches of science and technology.
For example in microprocessor technology there was a trend to have CPUs with larger and larger instruction sets. Sometimes for the purposes of memory density, sometimes for the purpose of orthogonality. Like any design this approach had it's trade offs. At some point people (David Patterson being one) designed CPU's which had much smaller instruction sets as an attempt to use the transistors that would have been used to implement instructions to implement larger register files, pipelines and multiple execution units. As a result of removing instructions these chips also had simplified memory access modes. These technologies were referred to as RISC.
Once the term RISC was applied to various chips people started backforming the word to refer to all sorts of CPUs. Byte magazine once referred to the MOS6502 as "the original RISC processor" because it had fewer instructions than other modern CPUs (i.e. MC68000) However in order to do that they had to ignore that it had 128 Opcodes (The Berkley RISC I - had 32) , eight addressing modes (RISC I had two), 1 stage pipeline (RISC I had two) and only three registers (RISC I - sliding window of 78). Opposite in almost every respect to any of the pioneering RISC technologies.
Because it means free of all and for all! Because financiers behind "the scientific mainstream" (and not only they) will do anything to delay the conceptualization of the existence of the ether among the population, ultimately even by manipulating its existence as being something belonging to the space, and not as something that defines the space itself, ie the space being a product of ether! They desperately need to maintain the concept of empty space, for only thus can shape a reality to their advantage. They are not stupid to cut their own branch under their feet!
Quote from: sadang on March 23, 2015, 09:13:52 AM
...They are not stupid to cut their own branch under their feet!
Yes!
Another reason for the concept of the ether to be so hated by the standard community is because in its roots it may also be interpreted as coming from counterspace and a higher conscience/spirit and may imply that there is a Creator or intelligent design ,which would smash away a lot of other theories including evolution, not mentioning that science is mostly atheistic in view and dont want to have nothing to do with anything that is not purely materialistic. Vortex and system self organization is very difficult to represent mathematically which makes them not able to control or predict what exactly will happen or how to properly explain it. Beside all that, Tesla found how to practically use it in ways that still to this day most people dont understand and it is the slap in the face of "modern " science. If we could all reproduce Tesla's work we could harness energy from our enviroment freely and endlessly. Now tell that to our multitrillion all controlling landlords here in corporate America and watch what happens. The patent office was not created to protect the individual but to control it and make sure that whatever technology endangers the status quo and our masters ,be forever banned in the name of "national security", which nowadays could be practically anything. Our rat cage was designed with a definitive amount of freedom so you can buy ,sell, roam "free" or at least believe that you are free. As long as this happens we are all happy rats , and the master just keep the maze going. Now try to stretch that boundaries to real freedom and escape from the cage and you will get a rude awakening.
Quote from: Raz on March 23, 2015, 03:43:47 PM
Another reason for the concept of the ether to be so hated by the standard community is because in its roots it may also be interpreted as coming from counterspace and a higher conscience/spirit and may imply that there is a Creator or intelligent design ,which would smash away a lot of other theories including evolution, not mentioning that science is mostly atheistic in view and dont want to have nothing to do with anything that is not purely materialistic. Vortex and system self organization is very difficult to represent mathematically which makes them not able to control or predict what exactly will happen or how to properly explain it. Beside all that, Tesla found how to practically use it in ways that still to this day most people dont understand and it is the slap in the face of "modern " science. If we could all reproduce Tesla's work we could harness energy from our enviroment freely and endlessly. Now tell that to our multitrillion all controlling landlords here in corporate America and watch what happens. The patent office was not created to protect the individual but to control it and make sure that whatever technology endangers the status quo and our masters ,be forever banned in the name of "national security", which nowadays could be practically anything. Our rat cage was designed with a definitive amount of freedom so you can buy ,sell, roam "free" or at least believe that you are free. As long as this happens we are all happy rats , and the master just keep the maze going. Now try to stretch that boundaries to real freedom and escape from the cage and you will get a rude awakening.
There are a lot of statements in your posting that I take issue with. Among them are simplistic cliches that are not true.
The most relevant one to this forum is the classic "Cult of Tesla" statement, "If we could all reproduce Tesla's work we could harness energy from our enviroment freely and endlessly."
I have read many statements on this forum from people that said that they read all of Tesla's work and they said that Tesla never made any claims about free energy. Your statement is false and no I don't believe that any alleged Tesla free energy systems were confiscated by the FBI.
In my opinion you are just repeating a myth that has been created by people that want to sell books and kits and who knows how many other things. That's the reason the people promoting the fake Quantum Energy Generator cited two Tesla patents that had absolutely nothing to do with the QEG as shown in the schematics.
Right now Science has made tests to look for ether and found none. Science also can fully explain the EM phenomena that we observe without relying on an ether model.
The concept of ether is just a "19th century 'placemat'" that was put there in an attempt to explain things that were not understood at the time. Now that we understand things, the placemat has been removed and replaced with real knowledge - the truth.
Although I do thank the ether-freaks here for really rounding out the list of refuted ideas that people still believe.
Are there some flat-earthers here too?
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 23, 2015, 08:54:02 PM
Although I do thank the ether-freaks here for really rounding out the list of refuted ideas that people still believe.
Are there some flat-earthers here too?
Probably. The ones that think we never went to the moon think all of those round earth photos were faked.
Bill
Quote from: MileHigh on March 23, 2015, 08:47:14 PM
There are a lot of statements in your posting that I take issue with. Among them are simplistic cliches that are not true.
The most relevant one to this forum is the classic "Cult of Tesla" statement, "If we could all reproduce Tesla's work we could harness energy from our enviroment freely and endlessly."
I have read many statements on this forum from people that said that they read all of Tesla's work and they said that Tesla never made any claims about free energy. Your statement is false and no I don't believe that any alleged Tesla free energy systems were confiscated by the FBI.
In my opinion you are just repeating a myth that has been created by people that want to sell books and kits and who knows how many other things. That's the reason the people promoting the fake Quantum Energy Generator cited two Tesla patents that had absolutely nothing to do with the QEG as shown in the schematics.
Right now Science has made tests to look for ether and found none. Science also can fully explain the EM phenomena that we observe without relying on an ether model.
The concept of ether is just a "19th century 'placemat'" that was put there in an attempt to explain things that were not understood at the time. Now that we understand things, the placemat has been removed and replaced with real knowledge - the truth.
Milehigh: I said before that I was not going to start a cat and mouse conversation here with anyone but by all your posts it seems that you have some reading comprehension. In your own words "I have read many statements on this forum from people that said that they read all of Tesla's work and they said that Tesla never made any claims about free energy"--
So you are quoting statements from what other people said but you have never read the books or writings of Tesla yoursef??? Wow ,.. you are a great scientific . Your scientific method of using hearsay without actually reading the books says so much about you as well as all your child like answers on this forum.
I do own and have read Tesla's books, letters and patents. if you are not able to even go online and download his own quotes you are just another loser that wants to throw dirt. I dont even know what you and some other people are doing in this post, because this website is called "Free energy-searching for free energy and discussing free energy"- Overunity. -- These 2 concepts are not backed up by "science "as you would say- so you being here is just showing how stupid you are. You should be in a applicated physics forum giving your opinions. I am not looking from the opinion of people like you and some other know it alls that think that they have all of science and physics completely figured out. You are the problem , not the solution.
I DO expect to see a lot of morons like you here, because in every forum dealing with free energy, there are legions of trolls like you ,many times big oil companies paid trolls trying to ridicule and confuse people who have the pure intentions of scientific and spiritual reasearch and to uplift the human mass. Tesla would have fools like you for breakfast as he usually did and proved you and all of them wrong. Did you notice that ? He totally and without a doubt PROVED all his theories and patents. And "modern" science to this day are having trouble understanding his concepts.
Now , I will continue sharing here with " ordinary " people and free thinkers and will continue to ignore morons ,haters and know it all's like you. You can feel free to believe whatever you want . I dont care how much education or titles you have or think that you have. Better educated morons never understood Tesla.
I did post a very interesting website about scalar waves and the vortex by a real scientist of our modern present day, that not only have proved the scalar waves exactly as Tesla did, but that also sells the books and equipment to do the same experiment if you are too lazy to fabricate it yourself. I also shared an experiment done by an engineer that proves the ether, and is repeatable,along with all the formulas of how he did it and the equipment necessary. One of them was a communications engineer from Sprint and the other teaches the subjects power electronics and alternative energy technology at the University of Applied Sciences in Furtwangen. I received no reply from you or the trolls regarding this 2 experiments and information. You been all thru this forum requesting experiments and proof, and then I suggest the means to repeat this experiments and what I got from you? --------total silence regarding them. Yep. Not a PIP of opinion from the all knowing engineers here. You can go and try to discredit in any way you want this 2 engineers but they actually did the experimenting part and got results. I can not say the same from you.
So it seems all you can do when presented with any information that contradicts your expensive college education is to call other liars(without even having read the books of Tesla yourself) and just insult and talk shit like you always do. Im sure that now you will be offended because I called you a moron.
Thanks for giving me an opportunity to once more show the type of " objective " scientist you are and how well your education have served you. Enjoy the rest of your day and this will be my first and last post directly answering you. As always to the real posters, have a great day.
Lots of drama and ad hom attacks there but let's cut to the chase. If there were viable, workable and implementable free energy systems based on Tesla technology available today, then we would all be aware of this fact. But we aren't, so reality trumps you, no matter how much of a "free thinker" you are.
I did not look at your links. I will try to do that sometime later.
Better solar panels, better battery technology, and better off-grid storage technology could be the path to getting off of fossil and nuclear sources of energy. It's like we are in the "8086" days in the realm of renewable energy. 25 years from now it will be the "i7" era and things will have changed a lot, so I am very optimistic. That's the kind of free thinking I am interested in.
QuoteHe totally and without a doubt PROVED all his theories and patents.
LOL!
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-1,655,113-aerial-transportation (http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-1,655,113-aerial-transportation)
-- a totally unworkable patent concerning a flying machine that would never fly even if built with modern technology.
Tesla claimed many times to have detected signals from intelligent life on Mars:
http://www.teslasociety.com/mars.pdf (http://www.teslasociety.com/mars.pdf)
etc, etc.
Telsa was indeed a genius and invented many of the things that make our lives more comfortable and convenient today. He was also wrong, many times, about many things. And were he around today, he'd be laughing out loud at those people who constantly invoke his name in the context of "free energy" in the way that the term is used here.
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 24, 2015, 12:50:34 AM
LOL!
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-1,655,113-aerial-transportation (http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-1,655,113-aerial-transportation)
-- a totally unworkable patent concerning a flying machine that would never fly even if built with modern technology.
Tesla claimed many times to have detected signals from intelligent life on Mars:
http://www.teslasociety.com/mars.pdf (http://www.teslasociety.com/mars.pdf)
etc, etc.
The fact that you posted THAT Tesla patent as his flying machine just proves that you have absolutely no idea if what I am talking about and have never really read about Tesla. There was a period of time in which Tesla was bound by contracts and such contract would have made any of his real inventions be owned by J.P. Morgan. In that time he made many patents like that one. The real Tesla Flying Machine used his dynamic gravitation theory and would not have "wings nor airbags", (an electropulsion powered machine) and he never patented it or gave way of how to build it.He was going to give this machine to the UN but after seeing what happened with the World War, was so dissapointed that he never did. In regard to that patent, it does look like a very early version of the Bell Osprey and your modern science analisys also says that helicopters should not theoretically fly(but they do).
By the same token Schrauberger stopped cooperating about his patents and ideas when he found out that an implosion principle nuclear bomb would have more force and would have been more destructive than any nuclear bomb. Tesla ,after being show by W . Russell his discoveries told him to "put them in a vault and hide them for a thousand years",because humanity was not ready for such power. Rife stopped sharing information about his discoveries when someone suggested from the military that his invention could also be use as a mass killing bio-weapon.
Really this is getting old. People who dont really know squat about Tesla making claims by looking at the first patent they can google search. Really I don t have time for the likes of you. You are free to think as obtuse as you want. That would be your problem , not mine.
If I were to discover something like that, do you think I will share with trolls like you that demand proof and have nothing to give in exchange? Or that it would be as easy as here, take it??? LOL... you really are lame.
And still the trolls like you have not answered to the experiments I quoted about prof. Meyl and about the other experiment on the ether I posted. Im sure that whatever gevernment or oil company that pays your .50 cents for each troll post ,must be very proud of you. You sir have been added to the troll list.
Raz, the problem is simple. Here are different worlds! Their world and your world. And my world! And others world! Each one with its own world. The main difference between these worlds is you want a world shaped according to your own vision, they want a world shaped according to vision of others. While your world is based on exposing the knowledge for all, their world is based on imposing their knowledge to all. Any argument you will prove they will come with their arguments. And they are many! A lot! The ideal product of the current ruling system! Just keep your path and don't pay them any attention. At least not as long as they keep the same imposing and ruling arrogant mentality.
Now, please don't make their game to dilute the main theme of this topic, so try to narrow the discussion to magnetism and specially to helical magnetism.
Quote+ more than 111 patents and his dynamic theory of gravity which he was going to give freely to the world and it is on a national security vault after the CIA raided his apartment when he died.
No overunity things are going to be given out for free any time soon.. and I will go as far as to say NEVER! everything that you see is 10-20 years or so lagging. Do you know why that is? Because those that hold the greatest technology rule the world SILENTLY.
That is a type of mentality that has an agenda.
If things really wanted to be given free, then electricity should be given for free. But, that will never happen = gathering money for ever.
The only conclusion is that people cannot see that and will always find a reason to settle at being puppets. lol
But evolution keeps on showing the truth. It cannot stop. So little by little people see the truth, but they are always 10-20 years ahead of the public. They like it that way because, those that hold the greatest weapons rule.
Right now there should be more advancement. We should be WAYYYYY ahead of the present time. BUT corruption always laggs the minds.
Can you imagine a world where Nikolas tesla was not lagged by greed? We would be 20-20 years ahead of the technology we are right now!
This goes back to ancient smart guys too. In one side of the world, one guy is 10-20 years ahead and in the other side they are 10-20 years behind. The 'leader' kills the ahead of the time individual, and it then lags on the evolution of humanity!
If there was no GREED, WAR, JEALOUSY, CORRUPTION, we would be 20-30 years ahead of the present time. But most of the people that think ahead of the present get taken advantage of and belittled! = GREED. Controlled by big brother and that is that. STFU and pay your taxes. :P
A great thinker ahead of the present becomes a stupid ass if he cannot pay his bills! Or, if he does not agree with the greedy current mentalities. lol....you need to see the corruption of everything in order to not see the corruption of everything. The only path is only to corrupt the minds and take their money if you want to succeed in the present life. lol Make your choice.
sadang: I already informed to each specific troll that they will be ignored. Sometimes ,you just have to let others see that these people are plain trolls and liars. Specially when they want to superimpose their ill opinions but have not even informed themselves properly. And specially when they have been requesting experiments and results for more than 200 pages and when I gave them at least 2 valid and repeatable experiments by people who hold engineering and professor credentials ,they keep quiet about it and ignore it,but keep their stupid slandering. Sometimes you have to call things what they are.
Now if I were to suggest anyone something very simple it would be to build a DC dynamo and time a spark gap with the frequencies that Tesla used and make any obervations found regarding this curious spark gap dischage. That is how Tesla noticed ether effect for the first time while working for Edison.Have fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxMHgsmlEfs
Here another thing for people to speculate without knowing how it works. Enjoy.
Sadang says:'Now, please don't make their game to dilute the main theme of this topic, so try to narrow the discussion to magnetism and specially to helical magnetism.'
I say: but this topic never got concentrated in the first place.the bismuth was the only hope then fizzled.it wouldve shown irrefutable proof of a wobbly
Joel:'Show me this! prove to me this! Show me the evidence.'
Well if you want to crack through the textbooks it is wise to present this I would say
Quote from: sadang on March 24, 2015, 01:33:05 AMAny argument you will prove they will come with their arguments.
Please prove one argument. Whoops. Sadang can't do that because she can't answer questions. :)
Quote from: Raz on March 23, 2015, 11:26:27 PM
He totally and without a doubt PROVED all his theories and patents.
What does "proved" mean in this context. See as someone who knows something about math "prove" means something very specific to me. To most people it appears to mean "sufficient evidence to convince me". In which case there's no reason to go on about it. I mean your standard of evidence is probably spectacularly low - most peoples are. :)
"There is no measurement is without error, hence there is no experiment without doubt." - Me
Quote from: Raz on March 24, 2015, 01:24:06 AM
.....your modern science analisys also says that helicopters should not theoretically fly(but they do).......
As an AeroSpace Engineer I know for a
real verifiable fact that this statement is absolute BullShit.
I have spent YEARS working with the theory of flight (Both fixed wing and Rotors) and nowhere
EVERdoes it say that "helicopters should not theoretically fly".
In fact, by the end of 1st year Aero, any student understands fully how a Helicopter
MUST fly given understood design parameters.
You complain that MileHigh did not read all of the Tesla books and so must be a Troll.
So are you saying that you have read all Flight theory books ? Thought not.
Since you have shown that you are are willing to
make things up like the above provable example,
then we can only deduce that everything you write is made up (given no other indication otherwise).
Food for open minds:
If you were to tell someone close to you that 'there is utterly no such thing as magnetic attraction', they would inquire as to your medication or wonder what the punch line is. The very premise, from countless thousands of years past to the present, as evidenced from 'magnets' accelerating nails, iron bits, and ferrous objects to the 'magnet', and 'opposite poles attracting/accelerating towards each other', is as deeply ingrained in the human consciousness as the Sun rising in the East every morning. The ancient lie, this perceptual titanic error is as innate as breathing. As is the case, all attraction (and 'repulsion') is governed by dielectricity, not magnetism, which is the 'dielectric field' -Faraday, which in discharging, is the radiation Ether-modality we call magnetism. That magnetism is reaching out in space is not in question, however radiation only displaces things, as in the case of magnetism, causes an inductive reaction at the interatomic magneto-dielectric of ferrous objects, thereby causing dielectric coherency from magnetic displacement and resultant acceleration to the 'magnet' as the act of dielectric voidance. Radiation attracts nothing. Soon you will find out the simplex nature of the "magnet" which is powered by dielectric coherency (either I.D.C. induced dielectric coherency, or I.D.C.C. induced dielectric capacitance and coherency) and likewise you will have a clear, lucid, logical, coherent, proved understanding of magnets and magnetism that explains all observed phenomena of same.
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So, as the Sun don't rise from the East at all, besides the human perceptual titanic error and conditional mental wrong concept and behavior, the same is with the magnetism. A correct interpretation in the current scientific paradigm, but a wrong one in a more expanded and deeply in the same time comprehension of the etheric nature of the Universe.
Quote from: Raz on March 24, 2015, 03:21:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxMHgsmlEfs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxMHgsmlEfs)
Here another thing for people to speculate without knowing how it works. Enjoy.
The title of the clip is, "How SEG: Searl Effect Generator produce electricity." The title is misleading, just like a lot of thread titles on this forum are often misleading.
I know how it works, no need to speculate for this one:
In this clip, you are looking at a silly pulse motor that does nothing except produce heat. Coils are pulsed on and off and that makes the rollers roll. That's it, there is no useful output. A simple coil pickup is placed next to the "motor" that senses some changing magnetic flux and that powers the LEDs. The Searl claim is just nonsense, and for the last seven years the only thing that they ever demonstrate is this useless pulse motor. It consumes electrical power and outputs zero. When you put the LED pickup next to the "motor" only a tiny tiny fraction of the input power makes it to drive the LEDs. The output vs. input efficiency is probably something like 1%.
Quote from: sadang on March 24, 2015, 02:11:39 PM
Food for open minds:
If you were to tell someone close to you that 'there is utterly no such thing as magnetic attraction', they would inquire as to your medication or wonder what the punch line is. The very premise, from countless thousands of years past to the present, as evidenced from 'magnets' accelerating nails, iron bits, and ferrous objects to the 'magnet', and 'opposite poles attracting/accelerating towards each other', is as deeply ingrained in the human consciousness as the Sun rising in the East every morning. The ancient lie, this perceptual titanic error is as innate as breathing. As is the case, all attraction (and 'repulsion') is governed by dielectricity, not magnetism, which is the 'dielectric field' -Faraday, which in discharging, is the radiation Ether-modality we call magnetism. That magnetism is reaching out in space is not in question, however radiation only displaces things, as in the case of magnetism, causes an inductive reaction at the interatomic magneto-dielectric of ferrous objects, thereby causing dielectric coherency from magnetic displacement and resultant acceleration to the 'magnet' as the act of dielectric voidance. Radiation attracts nothing. Soon you will find out the simplex nature of the "magnet" which is powered by dielectric coherency (either I.D.C. induced dielectric coherency, or I.D.C.C. induced dielectric capacitance and coherency) and likewise you will have a clear, lucid, logical, coherent, proved understanding of magnets and magnetism that explains all observed phenomena of same.
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So, as the Sun don't rise from the East at all, besides the human perceptual titanic error and conditional mental wrong concept and behavior, the same is with the magnetism. A correct interpretation in the current scientific paradigm, but a wrong one in a more expanded and deeply in the same time comprehension of the etheric nature of the Universe.
Like usual, that's a laughable word salad.
And the ironic thing is with all of this "knowledge" I will ask you for a
third time: Please show how you can solve a practical real-world problem or demonstrate some sort of a useful or practical application with all of this "stuff."
Quote from: sadang on March 24, 2015, 02:11:39 PM
As is the case, all attraction (and 'repulsion') is governed by dielectricity
When an average person says "magnetic attraction" they mean "the attraction (or repulsion) effected through magnets". So your desire to change the word doesn't make what the average person is saying into a lie. Think please.
sadang,
you've got to take in to consideration facts and start from there.
It's not possible to junk something like Schrodinger and atomic spectroscopy
so it's vital to establish a point where current thinking by the majority of
physicists is abandoned.
All I'm trying to do is get a grip of what mr. Wheeler describing and
I'm finding it extremely difficult,
John.
@MileHigh
MileHigh regarded the word salad you get the same answer as TinselKoala. On the other hand plese stop asking me the same useless question: I'm not here for that! I'm here to emphasize the Ken's work because I agree with it more than 80%. The practical things will come in time. When? From where or whom? I don't know! Everything is possible!
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@John
The Schrodinger equation and also the atomic spectroscopy are developed in an empty space paradigm of thinking. They are references in this frame of thinking, but in a space which is a byproduct of ether, things are "a bit" different. Or totally inverse? What do you think? Can you comprehend the entire ansamble? How many forms of knowledge do you know, access and use in your findings and reasoning?
Quote from: sadang on March 24, 2015, 03:32:14 PM
What do you think?
I think that clearly OU is a showcase for how little math people get taught at school. You being a good example of this kind of intellectual impoverishment.
A few months ago I didn't know anything about particles but the thought of a new way
of looking at things excited me.
Anyway I can't even begin to understand mr. Wheeler's ideas but I've really enjoyed
my research into current thinking. I find the whole thing very beautiful in particular the
wave-particle aspect of electrons and quantum jumps.
Than you sadang for attempting to show me the way, but unfortunately I don't even
know where to start from. Looking forward to when the subject is headline news!
John.
John, on one hand you can consider favored if you don't have your head full of scientific theories, terms, laws, postulates, hypothesis, lems, theorems and so on! Because you can follow a personal path in searching your own answers, a virgin path uncorrupted too much by the current educational system.
On the other hand is almost impossible to "swim" against the current collective mind and its exponents. Soon or latter you'll have to catch by something to not be carried away! My suggestion is to find that reference inside you, not in any other external thing, regardless of how great it would look that thing at a time! Will understand the value of my advice, only after you'll give up a few references that once you've considered immutable. Just continue on your own path!
Quote from: sadang on March 24, 2015, 05:32:52 PM
Because you can follow a personal path in searching your own answers, a virgin path uncorrupted too much by the current educational system.
Sadang says: "please empty your head of anything that might contradict the words of the prophet...please NO THINKING." :)
QuoteWill understand the value of my advice, only after you'll give up a few references that once you've considered immutable.
But sadang can't ever. Even once. Allow for the tiniest amount of his faith to be held to questions. Soooooo.....perhaps you should ask yourself if you really want to join his religion. :)
Hey Sadang: It's funny that a lot of folks keep coming to an overunity /free energy website to try to postulate their scientific dogma. I keep asking myself why they are not in a pure physics website or the like where they will shine their light. Also , no one have yet checked Dr. Meyl work and comment on it. Same for Mr. Webster Kher work. Beside attacking the person of each individual that dont think like them , I have not seem a grain of experiments, or any other useful contribution from the to this post. Damn , not even a single page of useful explaining but they do keep trashing the real experimenters who actually got results. And they want me and you to believe them. Mr. Milehigh just said that he understand the SEG and as soon as he opens his mouth it comes out that he dont even know what the seg is about, much less that what he is seeing in the video is a demo/ mock unit, not the real SEG ,which Prof Searl have stated like millions of times that needs 3 stages to work as he originally invented it. Not a single one of the paid trolls have nothing positive to say. Again I will say it, this is a website about overunity and free energy. People who already know it all, have so many titles that they can not accept anything else and that their minds are locked and soldered by their religious scientific dogma should not even be commenting here. Does that wont make them look kind of odd in front of their scientific /engineer friends? The troll beehive is full on swarming in this post.LOL.
Quote from: Raz on March 24, 2015, 05:53:30 PM
Hey Sadang: It's funny that a lot of folks keep coming to an overunity /free energy website to try to postulate their scientific dogma.
Even funnier people who affect habits to pretend they're not a sock puppet.
Quote from: Raz on March 24, 2015, 05:53:30 PM
Hey Sadang: It's funny that a lot of folks keep coming to an overunity /free energy website to try to postulate their scientific dogma. I keep asking myself why they are not in a pure physics website or the like where they will shine their light.
So Sadang, I guess you are familiar with this whole internet thing, but I suspect Raz (who I have quoted) is not.
What he is basically saying is :
Hey, I found a website called "whatever-my-current-belief-is dot com".
So I thought I would come here to make stuff up (like the helicopters can't fly thing according to modern day physics).
I assume everyone thinks like me, so I was expecting a big "Yeah, way to go. You tell it Bro" reaction.
I was a little taken aback, when a few people here questioned my posts.
So you know what I did :
I mentioned Tesla a few times to put them off, but that didn't work.
I called them trolls and paid Big Oil shills.
I pretended to put them on ignore.
I told them I didn't want to hear their opinions.
I said I was here to share freely and teach.
I might have mentioned Tesla again.
I questioned why they can't be "open minded" like me.
I put down their college education.
I got a few LOLs in there to show I know something they don't.
I told of how the masses are put down by "the man" and that humanity was not ready for my brand of knowledge.
I made up more things about Tesla.
I have yet to question their large post counts, but I will get around to that.
Quote from: Raz on March 24, 2015, 05:53:30 PM
Hey Sadang: It's funny that a lot of folks keep coming
It's also funny when people use a narrative structure which references times past when they've only had an account for 4 days.
Quote from: Raz on March 24, 2015, 05:53:30 PM
Hey Sadang: It's funny that a lot of folks keep coming to an overunity /free energy website to try to postulate their scientific dogma. I keep asking myself why they are not in a pure physics website or the like where they will shine their light. Also , no one have yet checked Dr. Meyl work and comment on it. Same for Mr. Webster Kher work. Beside attacking the person of each individual that dont think like them , I have not seem a grain of experiments, or any other useful contribution from the to this post. Damn , not even a single page of useful explaining but they do keep trashing the real experimenters who actually got results. And they want me and you to believe them. Mr. Milehigh just said that he understand the SEG and as soon as he opens his mouth it comes out that he dont even know what the seg is about, much less that what he is seeing in the video is a demo/ mock unit, not the real SEG ,which Prof Searl have stated like millions of times that needs 3 stages to work as he originally invented it. Not a single one of the paid trolls have nothing positive to say. Again I will say it, this is a website about overunity and free energy. People who already know it all, have so many titles that they can not accept anything else and that their minds are locked and soldered by their religious scientific dogma should not even be commenting here. Does that wont make them look kind of odd in front of their scientific /engineer friends? The troll beehive is full on swarming in this post.LOL.
All that you are really saying is "People that disagree with me must be trolls or 'government agents' and they are not supposed to be here." That's a joke and you diminish yourself and your four-day credibility by stating that. Your anti-education rant is also seriously misplaced.
I know all about the SEG, I know the entire story very well. What I stated about the SEG clip that you linked to was 100% true. That silly pulse motor is just a prop. The whole SEG narrative is basically a long con. The lab coats are a nice touch.
There are no spinning vortices associated with magnetic fields. There is no evidence for that, and there is a mountain of evidence that magnetic fields work just the way they say they work in books. You can verify it for yourself on the bench in real life.
Quote from: Raz on March 23, 2015, 03:49:44 AM
+ more than 111 patents and his dynamic theory of gravity which he was going to give freely to the world and it is on a national security vault after the CIA raided his apartment when he died.
Do you just make up this B.S.? Why would anyone take you seriously when you post crap like this?
Why is this crap?
The CIA was NOT formed until years after Tesla's death. (Anyone can look this up)
So, them raiding his apartment when he died would be impossible, but, that does not stop you from posting this disinformation anyway.
Talk about trolling...posting untrue stuff as facts when anyone can check to see it is BS is trolling in my book.
What a joke.
Bill
PS Helicopters fly according to accepted aerodynamic principles so, there is more crap you just made up. Now everyone can see who the troll really is.
QuoteI have spent YEARS working with the theory of flight
Compared to mother nature for billions of years...lol, you need billions of more years to make yourself a guru...thank you come again.
Just for entertainment, what is it that you have figured out that mother nature has not?
Ohhh poor trollies... all of them came out ot once like a beehive . It seems I hurt some sensivities. Yet they are still reading Dr Myel work and trying to figure out the equations of Webster Kehr experiments to try to discredit them too. Note how they haven't even tried to talk about that ? A lot of engineering degrees and lab but can not understand how the SEG really works. And no one ever here said anything about magnetic vortices in the SEG. Still stuck on helicopters and aircraft technology that have not changed in its basics in 100 years?? LOL. And still all this valuable and intelligent know-it-all engineers are insulting and oridnary person like me in a free energy/overunity forum. Dont they know that neither of these 2 concepts are real for their religious masters?? Wait until cardinal Einstein heard about this. They are going to have to recite the periodic table of elements 100 times and pray to the relativity theory. Meanwhile real people around the world keep inventing energy related machines because no one told them it could not be done. You are a good joke. You make me laugh to no end. Just imagining all those studies and money invested and you are still in this website trying to figure out Tesla and people with more wisdom than you.
@Raz
Raz as I already said, here is about different worlds! Your world comprise their, but not viceversa. So, don't bother to repeat things more than the common sense of a human being require it. Trying to convince someone who don't want or are not ready to comprehend that knowledge will not help you nor him. On the contrary is a big disadvantage for both.
On the other hand you have to be ready to meet the human inertia in thinking and in behavior. Each one know and expose at his level of knowledge and understanding, and also he manifest accordingly. Pay care how you manage these relations because from each one of them you have something to learn, to feel, to sense or to realize. Just be patient and do not deviate from your way.
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@PIH123
I'm not familiar with all these things (sa you say) more than others who activate on this website should be. And thanks for introducing me to your debate with Raz, but I'll not play this game.
Regarded your last messages, it was composed based on a previous wrong interpretation of what Raz said about helicopters and also a malicious premise, namely a premise called revenge+vanity.
Let me explain how I see these things. Bellow are the quotes in their inverse order of occurrence:
- here is your quote from Raz message:
".....your modern science analysis also says that helicopters should not theoretically fly(but they do)......."
- here is the quote of the entire sentence from Raz message:
"In regard to that patent, it does look like a very early version of the Bell Osprey and your modern science analisys also says that helicopters should not theoretically fly(but they do)."
- here is the quote from TinselKoala previous message when he present that Tesla's patent and said:
"-- a totally unworkable patent concerning a flying machine that would never fly even if built with modern technology."
Now, redo by yourself these steps and stop diluting this topic. Instead try to expose an analysis of the vortices created by helicopter blades and their influence on direction and lift of it. Also, maybe talking about Coanda effect is not too distant to this topic's theme.
Sadang: I been trying to be polite with the trollies but even when I post something as neutral as 2 real experiments about the ether done by actual engineers and professors(to which no one here has even mention it because both experiments are above any of them), they insist in responding with slandering, opinion and insults. It does not matter what I post ,they will respond this way ,because that's what they are paid for. Still they dont answer what are they doing in a website about free energy and overunity when these 2 concepts have been "debunked"by their religious scientific dogma. I try to share useful stuff that will (maybe) start an intelligent conversation toward free energy achievement. But it is impossible to achieve with mental midgets that think they know it all because they have a degree in (insert your favorite science here). If anything I am mostly ignoring them , because they already have proven they are in the wrong place and that their degrees dont help with their education.Then I posted the SEG video(again we are in a free energy website), and they started their hate monguering. I could care less about them. Still , someone like Mr. Wheeler , who actually started this post by offering a free book, have been attacked by these same misplaced individuals. I dont pretend to change their " education "or ideas, but I think in this free energy website, anyone should be allowed to post their opinion or share what others have done without the constant hate monguering of educated dumbs. That is exactly why we come to a free energy/alternate science website, because we are looking for the alternate part. We could go to any main stream science or physics website if we wanted to disccuss Einstein or relativity. That is what the educated dumbers dont get. They are barking to the wrong tree , and anyone with 2 fingers of common sense will ask them, why the heck are you preaching science in an overunity forum? They dont seem to get that they look absolutely stupid doing so, and just giving me a good laugh. Here in overunity people come to look for Tesla ,Schauberger , Rife, Carr ,and the like ,etc. If anyone wants to discuss Eistein is free to do it, I dont mind either. But dont come here to call others liars, or any insult that science bigots preffer just because they dont understand that there is more to what their 3 brain cells can hold and preach. I will continue to bring what I think is appropiate to the topics in a free energy website and to this post ( magnetic vortex and free energy) and to discuss it with people like you that can agree to disagree without being a hatemonguer. The rest of the trolls will only get from me sarcasm while they stupidly respond and make me laugh. Thanks for your concern. Have a good day.
Quote from: Raz on March 25, 2015, 05:21:50 AM
It does not matter what I post ,they will respond this way ,because that's what they are paid for.
Easy way to test this sadang. Post what you're being asked to post but that would ruin your fantasies about paid posters. It's interesting how much work sadang and the other sadang all have to do to avoid getting their ideas crushed. :)
I guess some people are just afraid of being wrong. :)
Raz,sadang,
just give up your puerile ranting and present a bit of decent science.
I've been on this for about 10 years and nobody is paid to disrupt. Nearly all
claims so far have been blatant measurement errors. I have never seen so much
as a milliwatt of free energy, a clue is that the prize has never been claimed .
The likes of MarkE and TinselKoala use their own time and money and loads
of patience to try and HELP others!!
Old Meyl's work is said to be helpful in quantum theory and TA. says
quantum is total nonsense. TA sites Ferrocell images as proof but when one
looks at transformation optics reference is made to Relativity.
There has to be some common ground with current thinking and TA's
ideas, chemistry and physics are all about electrons so is anything we think
know at the moment of any value???
What would be a good starting point? It's a bit like a question I asked
someone, how would I get to a certain location and their reply was:
"Oh,I wouldn't start from here"
John.
Why do you ask us to come with a bit of decent science? Why don't come yourself? What kind of decent science do you want to be proved John? For which of your five sense do you want a bit of decent science? Let me say each one of your senses can be very easy cheated! Even you main CPU can be so easy cheated! So stop this silly requests!
I'm also on this forum (and not only) for more than 10 years, and I watched all kind of men and topics. And I'm sick of how much manipulation I've seen over time! From those who think about themselves as being smart guys (actually stealing their own hat) and who foolish the stupids, and also from the naive which are just docile tools of the current educational system. I also seen many great scientists investing their money and time in researching different unusual electromagnetic phenomena, and further vanishing at a specific moment in time! Why?
Do you have a ferrocell? You've used one in your own experiments? Read at least what its inventor have to say about it? Or consider you know better? Or you consider is enough what others say, instead to make your own homework?
Do you want a point to start from? Fine, go study the atom (from Democrit to nowadays)! And take it from outside to inside! And begin with the electron if you claim "TA's ideas, chemistry and physics are all about electrons". That's ok for you? Or will say "Oh,I wouldn't start from here"! I'm waiting you to come back to express yourself about its existence as a particle and/or a wave! And only if you will also define the concepts of particle and wave outside of a circular thinking. But do it in less than 10 years, otherwise I'm afraid I'll watch your exposure from the other side!
Quote from: sadang on March 25, 2015, 09:03:46 AM
Why do you ask us to come with a bit of decent science?
Because most of the things you appear to be taking issue with are already have well controlled experiments supporting them. You need to have an experiment which is EXCLUDED by current ideas which is well controlled and successfully done.
QuoteI'm also on this forum (and not only) for more than 10 years
Under many different sockpuppets no doubt. :)
QuoteAnd I'm sick of how much manipulation I've seen over time!
Then you should stop.
For the sake of simplicity I'm just going to refer to all the sadangs as SeaMonkey. :)
Sadang says:'Do you have a ferrocell? You've used one in your own experiments? Read at least what its inventor have to say about it? Or consider you know better? Or you consider is enough what others say, instead to make your own homework?'
I say:well ok son.let's chat about the ferrocell.let's chat about MAGNETO-OPTIC POLARIZATION and how it DOESNOT show a wobbly of any kind.
Raz says:'they insist in responding with slandering, opinion and insults. It does not matter what I post ,they will respond this way ,because that's what they are paid for.'
I say:Im a pro-free-energy revolutionary.ask anyone here.this thread is counter-revolutionary. why? Because its based on ka-ka.the bismuth experiment was the only hopeful treatise then it was whisked away and never addressed again.then the thread dived so low as to use well-known lenz law or magneto-laws as its only support-base.a great humiliation to the cause
Here is the third mediation modality of Ether, called electricity:
- electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization
- electricity is utterly a mass-free phenomena, as mentioned by many including Dr. Wilhelm Reich in his "Cosmic Superimposition". Mass has no logical or theoretical place in electrical units and all particle-based conceptions of it are impossible. There is no mass in T.E.M. (transverse electromagnetism)
- electricity is the dynamic radial or reciprocating polarization of the Ether
- electricity is comprised of two components:
--- dielectricity – generated by a capacitor, counter-space phenomena; storage and return of dielectric energy
--- magnetism – generated by a coil of wire, decaying electricity, spatial phenomena; storage and return of magnetic energy; electro-motor force;lines per second
- electricity is the product of Phi (magnetism) and Psi (dielectricity), is definitionally a hybrid Ether modality of the product of Phi and Psi
- electricity is the product of electrostatics and magnetism, as meant dielectricity and magnetism (Φ x Ψ = Q, or electrification)
- electricity is a hybrid Ether-modality of Φ x Ψ
- electricity is a hybrid of both magnetism and dielectricity in a circuit working together to create electricity
- electricity is the dynamic radial or reciprocating polarization of the Ether
- electricity is centripetal towards the nucleus
- electricity is Phi x Psi (dielectric and magnetic)
- electricity is a spherical centripetal force
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More details for ordinary people in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism (https://www.scribd.com/doc/240223323/UNCOVERING-THE-MISSING-SECRETS-OF-MAGNETISM-3rd-Edition)", for studious skeptics in the scientific literature prior relativity, and for dogmatic skeptics there are no more details.
I'm not the only pro-free-energy revolutionary to find this thread dis-tasteful
Quote from: sadang on March 25, 2015, 03:20:40 AM
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@PIH123
Regarded your last messages, it was composed based on a previous wrong interpretation of what Raz said...
Sorry, you are correct. I should have looked at the whole context of what Raz was saying.
Because then I would have realized that he was talking out of his rusty bullet hole a few lines earlier.
He said:
"He was going to give this machine to the UN but after seeing what happened with the World War, was so dissapointed that he never did."
He being Tesla if I am correct (who died in 1943).
And the UN being the United Nations (which was formed in 1945).
Damn, this "looking up verifiable facts" thing sure gets in the way of being "open minded".
Sadang says:'More details for ordinary people in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism", for studious skeptics in the scientific literature prior relativity, and for dogmatic skeptics there are no more details'
I say:is there one single bit of evidence in that book to sustain its hypothesis
Quote from: sadang on March 25, 2015, 09:58:37 AM
More details for sheep with no desire to question anything in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism (https://www.scribd.com/doc/240223323/UNCOVERING-THE-MISSING-SECRETS-OF-MAGNETISM-3rd-Edition)", for studious skeptics I suggest reading just about anything else, and because I am a dogmatic skeptic there will be no questions answered ever. :)
FTFY
This thread is horribly LACKING EVIDENCE for any jury.no jury can make a decision like this
sadang,
don't really like the way you're plugging the book.
The inventor of Ferrocell said "look at transformation optics"
That said "The maths underpinning transformation optics is similar
to the equations that describe how gravity warps space and time" (Wiki)
So PTIYPASI,
JOHN.
'look at transformation optics"'
In otherwords:Look at how magnetism bends tethered Fe2O3 blades.classic magneto-allignment straight from textbooks
A jury can't convict with no actual evidence.unless they go on emotion
@PIH123
I can't stop noticing the arrogance and the ill-will. Bad for you!
Tesla talk about this flying machine in an article from 1911. Find it and make your homework! Also make the homework regarded the UN history. To help a bit look at the image I prepared for you and also to the link bellow:
- http://www.un.org/en/aboutun/history/ (http://www.un.org/en/aboutun/history/)
But continuing "looking up verifiable facts" thing sure gets in the way of being "open minded". Just keep doing this way!
And here is an indirect answer to another arrogance made by TinselKoala and to which you PIH123 subscribed with such ease and certainty.
And also I want to remember that none of you is the center of the Universe and a bit of modesty would not hurt!
---#---
@John
Please read his invention brevet and pay more attention to details. Rushing to answer me under the impulse of pride will hurt you more than doing first the homework in a right manner! Also, similar doesn't mean identical! Space-time fabric which can be curved under gravitational mass is and abstract concept invented to explain the gravitational attraction at the cosmic scale. Of course in the same paradigm of an empty space, which has to be filled with all these mental stuffs!
---#---
Now, I suppose is more clear why "electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization"! Isn't it?
Quote from: sadang on March 25, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
And also I want to remember that none of you is the center of the Universe and a bit of modesty would not hurt!
Says the person who is asking for all experimental evidence to be dropped in favor of his unsupported ideas. :)
This subject has got to be either mind blowingly correct or total and utter crap.
When things have gone on for this many pages they need sorting.
TA. and supporters appear to me to be nauseatingly clever and have a smart
answer for everything. I'm just a peasant.
Counter space is the is the space in which subtle forces, such of those of life,,
which are not amenable to ordinary measurement ( quote from somewhere ).
I'm totally lost, it just seems to me to be a huge riddle,
John.
Quote from: minnie on March 25, 2015, 05:16:16 PM
TA. and supporters appear to me to be nauseatingly clever and have a smart
answer for everything.
2nd best joke in the thread. :)
I know where I stand.
Despite being asked to do so many times, I have not seen TA present any explanation for the observations known as the photoelectric effect.
Quote from: PIH123 on March 25, 2015, 10:05:11 AM
Sorry, you are correct. I should have looked at the whole context of what Raz was saying.
Because then I would have realized that he was talking out of his rusty bullet hole a few lines earlier.
He said:
"He was going to give this machine to the UN but after seeing what happened with the World War, was so dissapointed that he never did."
He being Tesla if I am correct (who died in 1943).
And the UN being the United Nations (which was formed in 1945).
Damn, this "looking up verifiable facts" thing sure gets in the way of being "open minded".
Not to mention Raz's idiotic statement that the CIA raided Tesla's apartment after he died however the CIA was not even formed until years after that. Then Raz responds that the trolls just don't get it.
Get what? Incorrect and erroneous information that Raz posts?
Raz posts totally wrong information and yet, we are the trolls.
Try to figure out that "logic'.
Bill
Quote from: Raz on March 22, 2015, 04:38:30 AM
I been following this thread and have to say that many of Mr Wheeler theories in his book goes parallel to what Tesla , W. Russell and V. Shrauberger wrote in their books. This is the first time I actually have it explained in a way that goes more with modern science. I have not finished his book but I can say that here he presents a free book, which have a lot of work and detail and have been considerably worked on. I wonder how many people in this forum have free books written in ANY theory or experiment that actually want to share. Just for the work on it and making it freely available I have to give him credit for his time and work. For having theory that is consonant with the work of some of the greatest inventors that actually discovered something and PROVED their discoveries in their time I have to give even more credit. Is his theory perfect? I still dont know, but he seems to be getting results. From some other people here all I see is questioning , witch hunting, a lot of babble, maybe envy??? I do understand that our minds are very hard to change. It is human nature. But since I dont claim I know anything more than anyone , I think I can enjoy this book more than most , coming from a real neutral point and building up on it. It is funny to note that both Tesla , Russell and Schrauberger did invent machinery that actually worked based on their theories, and that all the scientific world at their time either ignored, tried to ridicule, or plain tried to make them dissapear from the science and history books and from earth itself. Every time I see someone trying to explain magnetism , gravity , or trying to go some other way that is not what mainstream science want everyone to believe I see all this attacks coming. People want demostrations inmediately , and a way to reproduce the experiments, but all with their own agenda of stealing of somehow making money.
If we could understand exactly magnetism and specially gravity, and a cheap way to control it, all the monopolies around us would collapse. Getting endless energy from the enviroment as Tesla PROVED , or using that energy to grow bigger natural crops(without GMO or genetic manipulation) like Scharauberger PROVED, or being able to transform and create matter and change one element into another without fusion like Schrauberger did and Russell suggested,.. all this beautiful things dont go with the mediocre way we humans think or with our constant greed. Royal Rife actually created and tested the cure for cancer and most virus and he was drove into bankruptcy and eventually jail, the doctors using his machinery intimidated, even as 2 of them continued to secretly heal people for 22 years.
I was expecting from the people who know a lot here to be more open about this kind of technology, and try maybe to understand, experiment and duplicate themselves? I know that is what a real scientific would do.
Well Mr Wheeler I sent you a PM, thanks for your book and your effort on bringing it forward. It is appreciated.
Ahhhh, kind regards dear sir, and APOLOGY for my late reply, but im in the hot islands taking it easy for a while.
Well ,there is about 300+ more pages to add to the book, but thats only CURRENTLY, and still yet more with much experimentation in documentation to present, part of which is biological and about polarity phase shift rarefaction and compressions between "N and S 'poles'...."
But yes, ala Tesla and others, Russell etc etc..........everything modern "science" holds dear on field theory is purely bogus nonsense.
Gravity itself doesnt exist, for one,
obviously it "DOES", however its nothing other than a human perceptual REIFICATION of counterspatial acceleration as expressly NO DIFF. than what human hair apes calls "magnetic attraction" (which also doesnt 'exist'),.........rather this dielectric voidance
what these hairy human upright APES dont understand is that acceleration is the inverse to motion (= FORCE)
as per field theory and cosmic mechanics, there is NO FORCE INVOLVED in "gravitational" (dielectric voidance) acceleration or so-called (BS concept!) magnetic 'attraction'
space and counterspace, ......force and motion, and inertia and acceleration. [copyright 2014 ken wheeler]
The cosmos is SOOOOO MUCH MORE simplex that these 2015 subhuman hairy ape "THINK" it is.
There is a LOT to say on this topic, suffice to mention that "intro" here as furtherment of the book itself.
And true, im not selling a damn thing to anyone, its all free, .........as for others bitching and moaning, its no concern of mine.
Either they DO or DO NOT have a logical contribution that engages the pith, or dialectic (not dielectric!!! lol, thats another term!!) of the core of the discussion.
hello from the ISLANDS where my ass is currently parked !!!!
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 22, 2015, 04:15:27 PM
"Dielectricity", as used in these "definitions", is so much word salad. Take any one of those statements and break it down into its component parts -- they are all nonsense. Take any of those statements and use them to derive a mathematical relationship among measurable variables and then construct an experiment to demonstrate the accuracy of that derived relationship.... you cannot, because they are all just meaningless word salad. The statements are even contradictory in themselves.
Dielectricity is counterspace.
But Dielectricity is a "versor".
But Dielectricity is a membrane.
But Dielectricity is a point.
But Dielectricity is radial.
But Dielectricity is a causation.
But Dielectricity is the Ether under torsion.
But Dielectricity is centripetal... but divergent.
Etc etc.
"Dielectricity" as the term is used above is a bunch of self-contradictory nonsense, demonstrated in the statements above.
As the INEPT SUBHUMAN ASSHOLE and knuckle dragging APE THAT YOU ARE..........
I suggest you ASK YOUR WORTHLESS ASS one question........
"why do all the GREATS, ............. faraday, steinmetz, Tesla, Heaviside, JC Maxwell" ......speak A LOT ........
A FUCKING GODDAMN LOT ABOUT DIELECTRICITY
"Magnetism is the dielectric field"
– Michael Faraday.youre nothing but a subhuman gonad scratching CHIMP, intellectually.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 22, 2015, 02:09:15 PM
Yeah but the problem is that there is no ether.
BASELESS CLAIM AND STATEMENT FROM A SUBHUMAN GODDAMN HALF-WIT.
Modern BULLSHIT "science" also posits the ETHER
except theyre calling it "QUANTUM FLUID" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on March 22, 2015, 02:09:15 PM
There is just the impedance of free space.
Fucking idiot, SPACE is nothing, it is not a FORCE , not a FIELD
it acts on nothing
it does nothing
it impedes nothing
its the byproduct of centrifugal transverse phenomena and magnetic "dielectric fields"- FARADAY
IDIOT ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: MileHigh on March 22, 2015, 02:09:15 PM
They even have a value for the impedance of free space, it's 376.72 ohms.
Thats the impedance of the Ether under transverse perturbation....
MORON ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: minnie on March 22, 2015, 06:00:40 PM
Well now I know what dielectricity is. Kenny doesn't think there are electrons so how
does he get round a relatively simple experiment such as Millicans oil drop experiment
which not only establishes the charge of the non existent electron but also it's mass?
John.
A: you THINK or SAY that I HAVE said "electrons dont exist"
but its not just I , but the GREATS AS WELL, idiot.
B: Total fucking bullshit, there is not a single quantification of an "electron weight" DOES NOT EXIST ;D ;D ;D ;D
The "GREATS" on the so-called "electron particle" (BS):
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original. He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter, and does not believe in the existence of an "electron" as pictured by science.
"To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability..." - Nikola Tesla
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
"My ideas regarding the electron are at variance with those generally entertained. I hold that it is a relatively large entity carrying a surface charge and is not an elementary unit (particle). When the 'electron' leaves an electrode of high potential and in a high vacuum it carries an electrostatic charge many times greater than normal." – N. Tesla
"In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto remained obscure to us." - Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916
"To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions." – W. Russell
Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit. One corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of what today is known incorrectly as an "electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W. Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether." – E. Dollard
"There is no rest mass to an 'electron'. It is given here the 'electron' is no more than a broken loose "hold fast" under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. Obviously this reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein's Theory of Relativity." – E. Dollard
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the 'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" - C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses)
The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings
Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction.
"Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve Biller
You cannot say that stretching a trillion rubber bands nailed to the floor and releasing them or breaking their "force lines" is the "flow of electrons"; discharge is a terminal movement in systems of inductance or dielectric capacitance. There are no discrete particles in the universe and certainly none that mediate charges, discharges, magnetism, electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation, only fields, all modalities of the Ether. The so-called 'electrons' are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "electrons", nor assuredly are there energy discharges in the vacuum of space involving 'electrons'; the 'electron' is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist. Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge; dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q; 'electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.
Anyone who thinks particles are flowing thru a wire has a mental DEFECT.
This Electron = Particle bullshit is nothing more than Greek ATOMISM. The universe is NOT a giant sea of tiny pool balls rolling and banging and spinning.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2015, 02:12:16 PM
So, which velocity do you want to solve for?
youre a BRAIN DEAD FOOL
all velocity is a mark of the FORCE applied and the RATE OF INDUCTION in capacitance of the MEDIUM of TRANSMISSION
its just that simple, IDIOT.
There ABOVE is 500 pages of "science" reduced to ONE SENTENCE OF SIMPLEX FACT. ;D ;D ;D
Likewise, current idiot "science" confuses MOTION (= FORCE) with ACCELERATION (=COUNTERSPACE / INERTIA)
the two are WHOLLY SEPARATE ENTITIESBut, being a brainwashed idiot, such things are BEYOND YOUR (ape) MIND. ;D ;D
Quote from: profitis on March 22, 2015, 03:19:03 PM
The fact that kenny has declared:'hey chaps,this is how it is,go fuck yourselves' makes me wonder about motive.
Yes, motives. Hmmmmmmmmm
I have nothing for sale, and the book is FREE
Motives??? Hmm,
S..E...X......? NO
Money....?? NO
Fame.......??? NO (otherwise id be NICE to you mentally deranged stupid idiots, ie "diplomatic")
Let me clue you in on some of what youd call "ancient shit"
These old assholes, called the Pythagoreans and Platonists held that --------
1. life is short
2. fame and $$$$$ and glory are fleeting shadows
and that
3. WISDOM is its own reward and eternally 'transferable' (in your simplex language)
Being an EXISTENTIALIST WORM, ........such a "motive" is beyond your comprehension.
Quote from: pinestone on March 23, 2015, 08:42:58 AM
Isn't it odd that the scientific community has embraced the concept of 'quantum foam'...particles that permeate all of space and smaller than the Plank Scale dictates, but they refuse to acknowledge the word 'Aether'.
Why is this word so hated? see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_foam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_foam)
ALL HAIL PINESTONE, !!!!!! MASTER INVENTOR AND INVENTOR OF THE FERROCELL !!!
( I say this with all seriousness and honesty!)
Yes, modern idiot/shit science now just calls the Ether "QUANTUM FLUID"
heheheehehehheehehhhehe!!
A greater PILE OF FUCKING NONSENSE and IRONY could NEVER even be DREAMED UP BY ANYONE!!!!
Idiot science:
1. rejects the ether
2. realizes that FIELD theory CANNOT EXIST without something like the Ether
3. Realizes the word ETHER is "EVIL",.......... ehehehehehehehehhe!
4. Replaces the word ETHER with "QUANTUM FLUID" which is just the ETHER RENAMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is NOTHING i can think of in current science that deserves the "INSANE BULLSHIT AWARD" more dearly......
more truly.....
more deeply.......
than THAT!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Raz on March 23, 2015, 03:43:47 PM
Another reason for the concept of the ether to be so hated by the standard community is because in its roots it may also be interpreted as coming from counterspace and a higher conscience/spirit and may imply that there is a Creator or intelligent design ,which would smash away a lot of other theories including evolution, not mentioning that science is mostly atheistic in view and dont want to have nothing to do with anything that is not purely materialistic. Vortex and system self organization is very difficult to represent mathematically which makes them not able to control or predict what exactly will happen or how to properly explain it. Beside all that, Tesla found how to practically use it in ways that still to this day most people dont understand and it is the slap in the face of "modern " science. If we could all reproduce Tesla's work we could harness energy from our enviroment freely and endlessly. Now tell that to our multitrillion all controlling landlords here in corporate America and watch what happens. The patent office was not created to protect the individual but to control it and make sure that whatever technology endangers the status quo and our masters ,be forever banned in the name of "national security", which nowadays could be practically anything. Our rat cage was designed with a definitive amount of freedom so you can buy ,sell, roam "free" or at least believe that you are free. As long as this happens we are all happy rats , and the master just keep the maze going. Now try to stretch that boundaries to real freedom and escape from the cage and you will get a rude awakening.
"The word Ether has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics only because its past association with opposition to
relativity. This is unfortunate because stripped of these connotations, it nicely captures the way most physicists actually thin about the
vacuum. The modern concept of vacuum space confirmed by every experiment is a relativistic Ether. But we do not call it this because
Ether is a taboo term."
- Robert B. Laughlin
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 24, 2015, 12:50:34 AM
Telsa was indeed a genius and invented many of the things that make our lives more comfortable and convenient today. He was also wrong, many times, about many things.
I know OVERUNITY doesnt exist, so ive said no such BS.
Tesla with ENDLESS patents, who was wrong a few times.......
How DOES THAT COMPARE to the FUCKING IDIOT Einstein who INVENTED NOTHING
and is INFAMOUSLY famous for a goddamn THEORY mostly disproven
OF WHICH, 99% of that goddamn theory is stolen from POINCARE'
A famous asshole with a goddamn THEORY he stole from Poincare'
or a REAL inventor, whose FINAL GIFT TO THE WORLD was stolen by the US Govt. at the time of his death (his unified field theory).
Your hero was a fucking mental DEFECT.
T. EDISON said Einstein -- "must be an idiot...........didnt even know the speed of sound"
Tesla said of Einstein --- "a long haired CRANK,...........an inept fool dressed in royal purple robes of a prince"
Ill stick with the people that BUILT this fucking modern world, and not a
famous ASSHOLE with a GODDAMN THEORY ;D
Quote from: sadang on March 24, 2015, 02:11:39 PM
Food for open minds:
If you were to tell someone close to you that 'there is utterly no such thing as magnetic attraction', they would inquire as to your medication or wonder what the punch line is. The very premise, from countless thousands of years past to the present, as evidenced from 'magnets' accelerating nails, iron bits, and ferrous objects to the 'magnet', and 'opposite poles attracting/accelerating towards each other', is as deeply ingrained in the human consciousness as the Sun rising in the East every morning. The ancient lie, this perceptual titanic error is as innate as breathing. As is the case, all attraction (and 'repulsion') is governed by dielectricity, not magnetism, which is the 'dielectric field' -Faraday, which in discharging, is the radiation Ether-modality we call magnetism. That magnetism is reaching out in space is not in question, however radiation only displaces things, as in the case of magnetism, causes an inductive reaction at the interatomic magneto-dielectric of ferrous objects, thereby causing dielectric coherency from magnetic displacement and resultant acceleration to the 'magnet' as the act of dielectric voidance. Radiation attracts nothing. Soon you will find out the simplex nature of the "magnet" which is powered by dielectric coherency (either I.D.C. induced dielectric coherency, or I.D.C.C. induced dielectric capacitance and coherency) and likewise you will have a clear, lucid, logical, coherent, proved understanding of magnets and magnetism that explains all observed phenomena of same.
---#---
So, as the Sun don't rise from the East at all, besides the human perceptual titanic error and conditional mental wrong concept and behavior, the same is with the magnetism. A correct interpretation in the current scientific paradigm, but a wrong one in a more expanded and deeply in the same time comprehension of the etheric nature of the Universe.
The current world is FULL of VERY ACCURATE empirical
observations / descriptions...........and is MORE FULL of EXTREMELY INACCURATE nonsensical
EXPLANATIONS
Every "age" of science has thought its conclusions / explanations were "TRUE".
Every goddamn ONE, .........EVERY!
EVERY SINGLE ONE was proven, ............that their beliefs / convictions were WRONG.
2015 (this 'age') is NO DIFFERENT ;D ;D :o
This, i assure you with my life, is 100% TRUE, and nobody on Earth can reproach this HARDCORE FACT
Not a SINGLE PERSON ALIVE
Quote from: MileHigh on March 24, 2015, 07:29:54 PM
and there is a mountain of evidence that magnetic fields work just the way they say they work in books.
You EVIL demented goddamn fucking demon from HELL ITSELF ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
This 2015 modern "age" posits that
magnetism is "mediated by virtual photons" ala "STRANGE THEORY OF LIGHT AND MATTER" -Feynman
FOR WHICH NOT ONE SINGLE IOTA OF EVIDENCE EXISTS
NOT A SINGLE FUCKING ONE. ;D
Youre not just a LIAR , and disinformation agent, but youre a
DEVIOUS and TWISTED PERVERSE, and SICK DELUDED person. ;D ;D ;D
Current "science" has NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
.......DEFINED A FIELD
EVER! ;D ;D ;D
NOT FUCKING EVER
much less a "magnetic field"
"mountain of evidence" My goddamn ASS. ;D ;D ;D
not even a SINGLE IOTA OF EVIDENCE EXISTS, because fields are NOT PARTICLES, theyre Ether perturbations and Ether modality perturbations
Quantification of a FIELD is 10,000% IM-fucking-POSSIBLEits particle free, you DEMENTED DEMONIC FOOL ;D
and what does Quantum Bullshit say about "virtual particles" which "comprise magnetism"??????????????????:::::::
"A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out".
Quote from: minnie on March 25, 2015, 08:09:55 AM
chemistry and physics are all about electrons so is anything we think
know at the moment of any value???
not too smart (obviously) are ya.
The CONCEPT of the principle OF the 'electron' is one thing. Same can be said of "love" "hate" etc.
the REIFICATION and QUANTIFICATION of same however is 100% BULLSHIT. ;D ;D ;D
EVERY ONE OF the greatest minds of Electrical and Field theory said::::
The principle of the Electron = Particle = 100% BULLSHIT
who said that??? ME???? (yes).........
.....EVERY ONE OF the greatest minds of Electrical and Field theory said THATa discharge is not a "negative charge" or "negative particle", there is no such nonsense as a Negative charge ;D ;D
You can argue a discharge is "real", obviously so, but not a "negative charge" ROFL
As for the Electron = Particle. There FAR FAR LESS THAN ZERO evidence for same.
repeat "LESS THAN zero" Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original. He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter, and does not believe in the existence of an "electron" as pictured by science.
"To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability..."
- Nikola Tesla
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
"My ideas regarding the electron are at variance with those generally entertained. I hold that it is a relatively large entity carrying a surface charge and is not an elementary unit (particle). When the 'electron' leaves an electrode of high potential and in a high vacuum it carries an electrostatic charge many times greater than normal."
– N. Tesla
"In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto remained obscure to us."
- Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916
"To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions." – W. Russell
Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit. One corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of what today is known incorrectly as an "electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W. Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether." – E. Dollard
"There is no rest mass to an 'electron'. It is given here the 'electron' is no more than a broken loose "hold fast" under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. Obviously this reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein's Theory of Relativity." – E. Dollard
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the 'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated"
- C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses)
The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by
Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings
Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction. "Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve Biller
You cannot say that stretching a trillion rubber bands nailed to the floor and releasing them or breaking their "force lines" is the "flow of electrons"; discharge is a terminal movement in systems of inductance or dielectric capacitance. There are no discrete particles in the universe and certainly none that mediate charges, discharges, magnetism, electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation, only fields, all modalities of the Ether. The so-called 'electrons' are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "electrons", nor assuredly are there energy discharges in the vacuum of space involving 'electrons'; the 'electron' is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist. Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge; dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q; 'electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.
Anyone who thinks particles are flowing thru a wire has a mental DEFECT.
This Electron = Particle bullshit is nothing more than Greek ATOMISM. The universe is NOT a giant sea of tiny pool balls rolling and banging and spinning.
"mother nature" IS NOT, WAS NOT, an INSANE CROSS-EYED CRACK WH0RE who created a COSMOS of infinite BB's rolling and banging and spinning
;D ;D
This nonsense idea WILL be destroyed in time as wisdom progresses.
I've discovered the vortex. It's us, it's here on this thread.
You can shout and whine and stomp your feet until you turn blue, Kenny baby. That doesn't make any of your lies and misconceptions suddenly become true.
Fields are and have been defined scientifically and mathematically, contrary to your often restated lies. Fields are _quantitatively defined_, to boot, and can be calculated, predicted, manipulated and used to make real devices that work as the calculations predict. You are reading this comment on one such device right now.
It's comical that you pick and choose your quotations from your heroes so selectively. Remember that Tesla also believed he was listening to intelligent aliens signalling from Mars. And your citation of your hero drug addict Eric Dollard is truly hilarious. Don't forget what is required of any new theory: it must not only explain _quantitatively_ the phenomena that are quantitatively explained by the old theory, but it also must predict _new phenomena_ that are confirmed by experiment. Your plagiarisms from Russell and Dollard are just fantasies and hallucinations, not capable of really explaining anything, nor are they able to be used to design things that work, like cellphones, computers or FLIR cameras.
Your ego is so fragile and insecure that you can't even think coherently any more, and every footstomping, insulting and lying post you make proves it even more. But most people who are reading this thread can see right through you, since you are so transparent, and can see that there is nothing at all behind you. You're empty, full of nothing but nonsensical word salad that you didn't even come up with yourself, but mostly just recycled from your heroes Dollard and Russell.
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 26, 2015, 01:45:21 AM
I just flapped my lips for about 10 mins and didnt say a single goddamn thing ON TOPIC or of VALUE in dispute, or refutation
Yes, thats what you did, i agree.
go trim your nails , Smeagol.
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 26, 2015, 01:45:21 AM
Your plagiarisms from Russell and Dollard are just fantasies and hallucinations, not capable of really explaining anything
Russell predicted the existence of 5 elements and several isotopes ...........BEFORE THEY WERE DISCOVEREDseems he not only explained things, but his theory LOGICALLY and CORRECTLY predicted the discovery of UNKNOWN ELEMENTS
So fuck you right in your fucking-fuck. ;D ;D ;D
Lets see you top that (ala Russell)
Tinfoil hat Koala-molesting knob-polisher ;D ;D
Youre a disinformation agent and a mental midget (at best)
Just for further "misinterpretation":
Authentic, genuine Table of Mendeleev (of course before the imposition of relativity)
"Periodic system of elements in groups and rows"
(Mendeleev. Principles of Chemistry. VIII edition, St. Petersburg., 1906)
Pay attention to the first two elements in column zero! Corona and Newton! More meanings by personal studies!
Apophasis:' know OVERUNITY doesnt exist, so ive said no such BS.'
This is rather a counter-revolutionary statement wouldn't you say.the bismuth expo purports to violate thermodynamics statements which expressly forbids effortless recyling of 'wobblys'(heatwaves) as you understand it.how does your theory explain eg far-infrared photon up-conversion in certain fluoride crystals without resorting to the term 'overunity' ie.getting something for nothing
CONCERNING APPEARANCES
During man's evolution in a universe of motion, the complexity of appearances have bewildered him into forming wrong concepts of reality and unreality.
Man's life has been given so ardently to the observance of complex phenomena of appearances, that appearances have become his facts, and the one reality has become mere conjecture.
Man thinks of dependability in terms of solids, those apparent things which respond to his senses. His dependable reality is form in matter.
Man thinks undependability in terms of things etheric, those things which do not respond to his senses. His unreality is spirit.
Man must learn to alter his concept of the reality of solidity, to the reality of Mind as the source of the illusion of that solidity.
He must learn that the One substance of Mind is the only reality.
He must learn to consider form as only an appearance of reality in a lower octave of the material substance of Mind, over which he has control within the limitations of Mind.
He must learn to consider matter as the substance of Mind, and form in matter as but the registration of his thinking.
He must learn that he is Mind and that Mind is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent.
Until man learns that he is Mind he will be 'the slave of the illusions of Mind, instead of which he may be their master and a "creator" of these illusions.
Man's universe is a universe of motion. Man's body is an aggregate of particles in motion.
Man is accustomed to motion. His mind is adjusted to apparent facts of matter which cannot be actual facts, for they are all conditioned by space, time and motion.
A conditioned fact cannot be a fact. It merely appears to be a fact.
That a certain ball weighs a pound is a conditioned fact. Apparently the ball does weigh that much.
The fact is conditioned upon keeping the ball at the same distance from the ground. Lift it one foot and it weighs less than a pound. Keep it at the same height, and still its weight varies with the movement of the stars in space.
That a ball drops to the ground in a vertical line is a conditioned fact. Apparently the ball does drop straight toward the earth.
In reality, the line is curved, the curve being conditioned by the rotation of the earth and its movement through space.
This idea may be clarified by imagining a man suddenly created, full grown and highly educated.
This man differs from other men in only one respect. He has not had a lifetime during which to adjust his mind to the relativity of things in his universe of motion, as others have had.
He knows all the supposed facts of things but he has still to learn their apparent relationships; he has yet to find that things seem to be what he knows they are not.
Such a man would find himself in a most bewildering world, a world of very complex effects of very simple causes.
He knows that men are of about the same size, yet before him is a giant, a huge man among pygmies. Page 43
The man ten feet away must be a dwarf, and the group across the street mere toys.
The sun he knows to be vast, hot and white, and the world small in comparison. Yet the sun is only a dinner plate and deliciously warm. Lo! it turns red and plunges into the sea. The world is huge and has swallowed the little sun.
He knows the world is round, but here it is before him flat.
Walter Russell--The Universal One.
Milehigh:'I've discovered the vortex. It's us, it's here on this thread'
I told you he's going to violate multiple viewers from both pro and anti free-energy sectors
Quote from: profitis on March 26, 2015, 05:20:39 AM
Apophasis:' know OVERUNITY doesnt exist, so ive said no such BS.'
This is rather a counter-revolutionary statement wouldn't you say.the bismuth expo purports to violate thermodynamics statements which expressly forbids effortless recyling of 'wobblys'(heatwaves) as you understand it.how does your theory explain eg far-infrared photon up-conversion in certain fluoride crystals without resorting to the term 'overunity' ie.getting something for nothing
Although is not exactly the same that you are asking. Here is a interesting explanation from Willian Lyne for a very similar case. It is in his book Occult ether Tesla Physics.
As a "welding process", this process was 'obsolesced' by MIG and TIG welding, neither of which can compare to its welding efficiency and uses. Since the welding process was its only "public" use in the years past, the "new" processes allowed industry to toss the "obsolete" process onto the junk heap (except for their own 'secret' use of it).
The "new" processes were promoted by U-Know-Who, motivating their welding suppliers and the electric power companies at their own levels. More archaic tanks, transformers, gauges, torches, electrodes, gases, fluxes, and electric power, etc., etc., to be sold at a hefty profit. If people generate their own hydrogen for welding at home, how much equipment, supplies and power will they buy?
How does the atomic hydrogen obtain its energy, if not from the "ether"? No wonder establishment science doesn't want you to know there is an ether. If we are to believe the "law of conservation of energy", as interpreted by establishment (relativistic, ether-excluding) 'science', this process is impossible, yet using data available from 'standard' texts, I have shown that the input energy of 103 cal./gram molecule is somehow either 'magnified' to 109,000 cal./gram molecule of hydrogen—a multiplication of over 1,058 times—or that, by use of hydrogen as a "medium", that the 103 calories is 'seed' energy (called the "activation energy"), triggering the atomic hydrogen's apprehension of a net 108,897 cal./gram molecule, from the "ether".
An equally phenomenal "atomic helium" process (reported in Space Aliens) is 4.6 times this output. It can be conducted the same way, and produces the same kind of electrical energy and radiation-to-heat energy transformation, in which "mass" is only a "medium" used in the process. The same principles are shared by the Atomic Hydrogen Process, by Josef Papp's Method and Means of Converting Atomic Energy into Utilizable Kinetic Energy (Patent No. 3,670,494, of June 20, 1972), and several other discoveries mentioned here.
If these processes used as much electrical energy as they produced, and electrical energy was the end product sought, what would be the use of the processes, right? At the comparable 30 mpg for n-Heptane, helium could produce 42.86 times as much, or about 1285.8 miles per pound.
According to Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia, 5th ed., Van Nostrand Reinhold Co. (1976), simple electron bombardment of helium gas, in a special chamber, excites the helium atom to a temporarily radioactive isotope of extremely short half-life. In this state, the helium atom unpairs its electrons,

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promotes one electron to the 2s state (in which state it remains for only a very short time), and afterward releases 460,000 cal/gram-atom (per gram of helium), on collapse of the excited atom back to its ground state.
The heat is in the form of photons. This is similar to the process for atomic hydrogen, as illustrated by my drawing shown on page 102. It is my theory that while the electron clouds are in the excited (expanded) state, they gather and convert energy from the ZPR.
Apparently, as the hydrogen passes through the arc, the electric and magnetic fields, plus heat, provide the activation energy triggering the molecule's 'apprehension' of an additional 108,897 cal./gram molecule of endothermic dissociation energy. Just exactly could this be possible?
Since each hydrogen atom is composed of a proton and an electron (each with a pair of purportedly equal and opposite charges) one would expect the binding force between the molecules to be very weak, but when the atoms are separated they purportedly expand greatly in size—because negative ions are larger than the non-metal atoms from which they are formed—encompassing a greater volume of Omni Matter (my term for the "ether").
On recombination, the atoms shrink in volume, as the excess 'gathered' energy is squeezed out of the ether as free (heat) energy. The "endothermic" dissociation absorbs only 103 cal/gram molecule, yet on recombination, the atoms "exothermically" yield a net 108,897 cal/gram molecule. How exactly does this occur? As stated in Space Aliens, it is my theory that all space is packed solid with bumper-to-bumper "Omni Particles" (A.K.A., "the ether").
This elusive yet dense and ultra fine, absolutely transparent matter, is meanwhile being omnidirectionally interpenetrated by something called Zero Point Radiation ("ZPR"), of such high frequency and voltage, that it is difficult to measure or comprehend.
This radiation is in (nonrelativistic) equilibrium, therefore referred to as "Zero Point" radiation. The facts proven by the atomic hydrogen process, explained by the involvement of the Omni Matter and the ZPR, are forbidden by relativity and quantum mechanics, in which a simple harmonic oscillator cannot have a stationary state of zero kinetic energy, because the ground state still has one half quantum of energy and the appropriate motion, yet by relativity's 'other' rules, the principles of kinetic energy has no applicability to electromagnetic radiation (the ZPR).
Since relativity also rejects the existence of an ether, there is nothing in so-called "empty space" to contain such radiant energy, and the atomic hydrogen process would have to create its energy from "nothing", therefore violating the law of conservation of energy, as misinterpreted by the relativists, who see all energy functions as part of the 'winding down' products of an "original" BIG BANG.
You can forget what the relativists said. The equilibrium of the ZPR can be upset by disturbances created in the Omni Matter—which I divide into Omnions (ultra-fine, positive "subprotonic" particles) and Omnitrons ("sub-electronic" charges carried by the Omnions—all of which the ZPR interpenetrates. Unidirectional vibrations (disturbances) in the Omni Matter cause it to accumulate transferred force from the ZPR, throwing Omni Matter out of equilibrium, and restoring equilibrium to the ZPR.
The Omni Matter's excess force is then transferred through the atomic hydrogen atoms (or other temporarily excited, enlarged atoms encompassing it) into the atomic mass frequencies, during disturbance, thus restoring equilibrium to the Omni Matter. This transferred force is not "energy created from nothing", but only represents a change in the "form" of some of the infinite energy (force overtime), already existing in 'space' in other forms (such as the ZPR, or as "sub-electronic" charges).
Whenever H2 is dissociated to 2H (H1), and the single electron clouds enlarge to encompass more Omni Matter (affected by a greater ZPR), there is a reaction with and transfer of force from exothermic atomic
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sources, through the molecules, into stripped Omnions which were entrapped to bind the atoms together.
This exothermic energy is sufficient to throw the Omnions within the electron clouds, and concentrated in the space between the atoms, beyond their electronic quantum boundaries, so that the additional energy needed to dissociate the atoms is regained from the surrounding Omni Matter and ZPR, restoring the equilibrium of the Omni Matter. With the recombination of the atomic hydrogen to form 2H, the converted ZPR radiant energy, and sub-electronic charges—which I call Omnitrons—is ejected (squeezed out) from the atoms, as heat or other interconverted radiant energy- of lower frequency, as the electron clouds shrink with the addition of positive charge carried by the Omnions.
The reason the electron cloud density of the hydrogen molecule is more concentrated in the area around the space between the atoms, is because of the entrained Omnions' presence there. Otherwise, the two negative charges carried by the two atoms would cause mutual repulsion. Actually, since heat is infrared- spectrum radiation, the process can be conceived as a means of converting the ZPR from an ultra- penetrating positive ('cold') spectrum radiation, to a mass-reactive infrared (heat) spectrum radiation, and that is the proximate "source" of the so-called "free energy", in the form of exothermic heat radiation. The ZPR is an analog to sunshine, except it penetrates all matter all the time and is not affected by day or night, so it can be converted to usable energy all the time with the appropriate technology, such as the atomic hydrogen process.
Incidentally, this same atomic hydrogen process, as first published here and now, is also the apparent source of the anomalous exothermic heat produced in aqueous cavitation, as well as in the so-called "cold fusion" process, which are two other free energy processes which are based on the atomic hydrogen process. In addition, it is the phenomenon which was apparently responsible for the cavitation-based, powerful fuelless pumping action produced by the "Hydro Vacuo Motor" of John Ernst Worrell Keely, in c. 1870..
The atomic hydrogen atoms have single, unpaired electrons in enlarged shells. These atoms are in Mendeleev's Group I-a, and all the atoms in that group have unpaired outer electrons, and are photoreactive to and transmute when exposed to ultraviolet light, as do all the atoms of elements below atomic number 19.
Some of these elements transmute in visible and infrared light, and all of them can be used to transmute ZPR into usable free energy. This photo-reactivity creates temporary, artificial-radioactivity-producing isotopes of short half-life, with the emission of photon energy restoring equilibrium to the atoms as they return to their ground states. The energy for these radioactive emissions comes from the ether, not from the atoms themselves.
The atoms can be analogized by certain crystals, described by the Raman Effect, in which light passing through the crystals is "stepped down" to lower frequencies. The infrared spectrum light produced by the atomic hydrogen process is thermically reactive with normal atomic and molecular matter, because of its longer wavelengths.
The transfer of force from the ZPR, via the Omni Matter, through the dissociated H, atoms, is apparently the kind of thing somewhat cryptically spoken of by Tesla, when he stated: "There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment."4 In so-called "cold fusion", the electrolytic cell produces "nascent hydrogen", just like in the atomic hydrogen process, and the recombination of the monoatomic hydrogen to 2H releases heat, the product claimed.
This atomic hydrogen process also proves Tesla's theory that "atomic energy" comes from the environment, not from 'smashing' atoms. It proves that "mass" does not even enter into the equation, and
that Einstein's "E = MC2" is wrong. Einstein's theory says this process as I describe it could only be possible if the hydrogen were 'annihilated', converting its "mass" into heat, and otherwise, is impossible. But the hydrogen is still hydrogen, before, during, and after the process, and Einstein was wrong, wrong, wrong! It defies relativism, Heisenberg's "uncertainty" principle, misinterpreted quantum mechanics, and
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the BIG BANG!
Perhaps this or a similar process was also what Leland Anderson referred to in his eulogy of Tesla, when he mentioned his "plucking" thermal units "...right out of the thin air". After all, the hydrogen atoms when in the 2H molecular form are smaller, therefore "compressed". Compression of a gas releases heat radiation, usually thought to originate with the energy endothermically absorbed during decompression, but in the case of hydrogen, the change is effected by the natural, physical process of recombination to 2H.
The molecular atoms can be 'decompressed' by a slight application of heat of dissociation, because the strong binding force between the atoms created by the Omnions, is more easily weakened by a small amount of exothermic energy sufficient to separate the atoms, so that the Omnions regain their Omnitronic charges from the surrounding ether and ZPR. Hydrogen atoms have the highest charge- to-mass ratio known, a ratio which almost completely neutralizes the protons.
'Decompression' of the electron clouds occur during dissociation, because there is less positive mass within the clouds to pull the clouds down toward the protons. As the protons dissociate with application of the 103 cal/gram molecule, this allows the greatly expanded electron clouds of the atoms to encompass a larger volume or Omnions, carrying sub-electronic Omnitronic charges equal to 108,897 cal/gram molecule, from the only source available, the ZPR and Omni Matter (A.K.A., "ether"). Since there is no great cooling activity in the proximate area of dissociation, the 'heat' can only come from the Omni Matter and ZPR, and is ultimately a conversion of energy in the form of random, 'cold' ZPR, and Omnitronic charges, into a coherent, utilizable form of heat radiation.
This process, though it can be thermally triggered, is not merely a thermal process, because the net energy released is not converted originally from thermal energy, but from ZPR and Omnitrons, into infrared (thermal) radiation. Amazingly, the raw data for this process came from ordinary science books, though the oldest text was produced in England, and would be practically unavailable to the average American experimenter. The full magnitude and output comparable to petroleum was only obviated by conversion of weights, measures, units and temperature scales, into a consistent picture, to obtain the total net outputs.
Most physicist or chemists would refuse to believe the results, even if they had calculated them themselves, and would insist that they had erred. This is indeed an inverted BIG LIE, which is told very small, and often. The BIG LIE consists of a denial that there is an ether, the distortion of quantum mechanics, and the exaggeration and minimalization of other incompatible measurements, to create a false overall picture. This is then backed up by a vacuum of information, in publicly available texts and other sources, created via the National Security Act, by the Fuel/Power Cartels.
Raz:'Although is not exactly the same that you are asking. Here is a interesting explanation from Willian Lyne for a very similar case. It is in his book Occult ether Tesla Physics.'
In other words: FAR-INFRARED waves are a type of ORDERLY HEAT PACKET (it won't lose its energy on straight path through vaccuum).but apophasis says overunity is wrong word for this when two or more of these heat-packets collapse together and resonate upwards,(conversion into higher frequency vibes eg. visible light),with no effort.why does he say its not overunity when it is overunity.
http://guedel.dcb.unibe.ch/research/hug_upc.htm
Quote from: profitis on March 26, 2015, 07:43:56 AM
Raz:'Although is not exactly the same that you are asking. Here is a interesting explanation from Willian Lyne for a very similar case. It is in his book Occult ether Tesla Physics.'
In other words: FAR-INFRARED waves are a type of ORDERLY HEAT PACKET (it won't lose its energy on straight path through vaccuum).but apophasis says overunity is wrong word for this when two or more of these heat-packets collapse together and resonate upwards,(conversion into higher frequency vibes eg. visible light),with no effort.why does he say its not overunity when it is overunity.
What Lyne is trying to say is that when there is dissasociation from one form to another , the element absorbs ether which is released in the recombination later and you have an excess of energy that comes from the ether. I think the premise that is wrong is that people still think in "something from nothing"and that never happens. We live in a sea of energy. There is never something coming from nothing. The fact that we still dont understand the ether (quantum foam for some) , and how it interacts with everything gives us that false premise which is an illusion. I suggest that you read W. Russell " The Universal One". It explains many of these concepts in another light. All energy is free. Free energy is all around us. It is not nature which makes it unaccessible or any nature law, it is men's greed.
Also I think that if you keep conccentrating in attacking every little thing that Mr Wheeler says ,without you doing your own experiment regardless of what textbooks says , you are loosing precious time that could be used to better understand what we all want to understand. If your glass is full and you are not afraid of your knowledge being wrong. Why dont you empty you glass for a moment and start again from another perspective , doing your own experiments, then maybe you will find out that not all that is on textbooks is exactly what they say. I can suggest you an experiment from Lyne that is called the "free energy surprise",.. It is a small booklet that you can find around in the internet or buy from Lyne. It is an experiment that anyone could reproduce and it is based on what I quoted he wrote about the welding machine. It claims to give more energy than it consumes. I would provide a copy here ,but I dont want to infringe in any author's rights but soometimes around the net there is people that will share it.
Raz:' and you have an excess of energy that comes from the ether'
Be careful here.the 'ether'(symbol E-vac in quantum electrodynamics) is not the 'source' of energy but rather the reflector of energy.we can concentrate a lot of energy against this fulcrum for little effort.if the entire universe originated from this fulcrum and is going to collapse back into this fulcrum,that's a matter for ponder.
Raz:'Also I think that if you keep conccentrating in attacking every little thing that Mr Wheeler says'
Hey,I like the simplicity but the evidence...anyway let's see what happens
Raz:'It is an experiment that anyone could reproduce and it is based on what I quoted he wrote about the welding machine. It claims to give more energy than it consumes. I would provide a copy here ,but I dont want to infringe in any author's rights but soometimes around the net there is people that will share it.'
Don't worry I've done my fair share of experiments(especially with atomic h2) but thanks anyways.
Quote from: Raz on March 26, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
I suggest that you read W. Russell " The Universal One". It explains many of these concepts in another light.
...a particularly stupid and imprecise one. :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 26, 2015, 04:42:36 PM
...a particularly stupid and imprecise one. :)
Of course,.. because since you can not understand him and neither have read the whole book , your small mind find it stupid. But I dont think you ever predicted anything in your life except maybe when your next fart was coming out. W. Russell did in one life what you could not do in 50 if you lived them. But of course you dont have any idea of all that Russell did. To talk shit about people who know and have done much more than you only reflects envy and ignorance. But I guess everyone here saw that already.
Quote from: profitis on March 26, 2015, 03:36:46 PM
Raz:'It is an experiment that anyone could reproduce and it is based on what I quoted he wrote about the welding machine. It claims to give more energy than it consumes. I would provide a copy here ,but I dont want to infringe in any author's rights but soometimes around the net there is people that will share it.'
Don't worry I've done my fair share of experiments(especially with atomic h2) but thanks anyways.
Can you share with us what you found in your experiments regarding atomic h2? Any resemblance to what Lyne found ?
Quote from: Raz on March 26, 2015, 05:33:24 PM
Of course,.. because since you can not understand him and neither have read the whole book , your small mind find it stupid.
When the last creationist, homeopath or astrologer dies I'm sure the words on their lips will be something like: "You only think it's wrong because you don't understand." See if you actually had even a microscopic amount of credit to your ideas we would be hearing your argument. Instead you hide behind the idea that we can't prove that you don't have an argument. :)
See the difference?
Quotepeople who know and have done much more than you only reflects envy and ignorance.
....or he said some stupid moronic things. If someone needs to resort to mysticism to communicate their ideas they are effectively asking YOU to do the hard part of making their argument. Anyone who does that is of questionable value to science - except perhaps by accident or counter-example. :)
Raz:'Can you share with us what you found in your experiments regarding atomic h2? Any resemblance to what Lyne found ?'
Sure,just go to the 'karpen pile' thread under 2nd law violations bro.I made history there,mainly with atomic oxygen.you must get a firm grasp on the 2nd law thermodynamics in order to fully understand what 'ether' really is.
Apophasis has a good thing going with reducing all matter and waves to a common entity but then falls short on definitely proving(against all criticism) this 'moving vortexial' in all magnets.this is just my opinion ofcourse but I think a reasonable one
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 26, 2015, 05:57:35 PM
When the last creationist, homeopath or astrologer dies I'm sure the words on their lips will be something like: "You only think it's wrong because you don't understand." See if you actually had even a microscopic amount of credit to your ideas we would be hearing your argument. Instead you hide behind the idea that we can't prove that you don't have an argument. :)
See the difference?
....or he said some stupid moronic things. If someone needs to resort to mysticism to communicate their ideas they are effectively asking YOU to do the hard part of making their argument. Anyone who does that is of questionable value to science - except perhaps by accident or counter-example. :)
Again Trollie: I have never claimed anything of my own doing. You are the one insulting one of the greatest minds ever (Walter Russell) who actually had discoveries in science and accomplishments in art. What do you have to prove or say? Nothing,.just blah blah blah opinions and silliness. Science already recognized what he did. You in the other hand are just a blind repeater. So I will ignore you as part of the troll list.
Quote from: profitis on March 26, 2015, 06:10:52 PM
Apophasis has a good thing going with reducing all matter and waves to a common entity but then falls short on definitely proving(against all criticism) this 'moving vortexial' in all magnets.this is just my opinion ofcourse but I think a reasonable one
I think that proving something against all criticism is an impossible feat for anyone. There is always going to be detractors even if you give proof. You have to decide for your own practical applications that if a good idea comes along, and you can somehow use it to get a result ,then you should do it. Many inventions have been done before having all the theory worked out in the past. It happens many times that after something that have been observed, that people start working theories around what is actually happening. In that I concur with Mr Russell that many things we observe are illusions of the real workings. What Mr Wheeler explains in his book far exceeds many of the tried explanations I have seen about the topic. Now , how about we try to design more experiments around that magnetic vortex instead of bringing "modern theory" to try to contradict his explanation? I am still waiting for someone to answer or give an opinion about Dr. Meyl work, but it seems everyone is ignoring it. It have to do with the ether and vortices and an experiment proving the scalar waves that can be reproduced, but no one comments about it.
Raz:'I think that proving something against all criticism is an impossible feat for anyone. There is always going to be detractors even if you give proof'
I don't think its impossible for example if mr apophasis were to do an experiment and devote an entire thread to it and adjust it to combat criticism then I think he would have far far greater impact on and support from all sectors of the viewers.the criticism would grow proportionately sure but by the time it is clearcut,withstands all reasonable critics and repeatable by anyone then the die is cast and his theory stands tall.when it becomes obvious that criticism is weak,that's when the turningpoint comes
I forgot to mention: a person with a new theory about anything can do more harm to that theory,even if correct,by giving experimental support which crtics can annihilate easily,than if no experimental support was given at all.
Quote from: Raz on March 26, 2015, 06:36:23 PM
I have never claimed anything of my own doing.
Actually you did...you claimed that the reason I think WR has said some moronic things is because I don't understand. That is entirely YOU not Walter Russell as I never met him. :)
QuoteYou are the one insulting one of the greatest minds ever (Walter Russell)
...and I do it based on pretty firm objective basis. I've read probably more scientific publications than you will ever read and by that standard I call WR's writing shitty. In fact I'd call it shit that my shit wouldn't shit if it shat shit.
There's a difference between a work being somewhat difficult (say Popper's Logic of Scientific Discovery and it being deliberately obscure (the secret of light). There's a difference between a work being broad and speculative (Tegmark's "Shut up and calculate" although he might be serious in which case he's a loon like gravityblock) and it being useless.
You are where you are because YOU can't tell the difference.
Quote from: Raz on March 26, 2015, 06:47:46 PM
I think that proving something against all criticism is an impossible feat for anyone.
It depends on what outcome you are trying for. For example TheoriaApoptosis (or whatever his name is), sandag, SeaMonkey, profitis, Magluvin, Joel,Cap-Z-ro, the only way they survive is that they refuse to engage in the discussion. For me, being able to force all of them to retreat to being unable to engage me. Suits me just fine. It's really the only defense against when your argument is weak. :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 26, 2015, 09:15:31 PM
It depends on what outcome you are trying for. For example TheoriaApoptosis (or whatever his name is), sandag, SeaMonkey, profitis, Magluvin, Joel,Cap-Z-ro, the only way they survive is that they refuse to engage in the discussion. For me, being able to force all of them to retreat to being unable to engage me. Suits me just fine. It's really the only defense against when your argument is weak. :)
LOL...so you think that all of them "retreat" because they are being unable to engage you???LOL...now I know that you are mentally ill. And the reason they ignore you is because to people who really want to learn the truth, you are only a nobody and someone easy to ignore. It is not that you have any more knowledge than anyone here or that you can "prove " something. You can live in your delusion , but it is only you who are living it. For the rest of us is very easy to ignore you, just like I will do right now.
For anyone interested:
http://www.themeasuringsystemofthegods.com/Meyl%20-%20Scalar%20Waves%20(first%20Tesla%20physics.pdf
http://www.k-meyl.de/xt_shop/index.php?cat=c3_Books-in-English.html&XTCsid=fbbc91e2f379cc5dca48d7a57413565c
https://internationalresearchsociety.wordpress.com/author/konstantinmeyl/
@Raz
Those which are on this website for more than one year already know about Meyl. At least in my opinion is hard to not have heard about Meyl if someone really studied the Tesla work. On the other hand hope you convinced yourself that discussions with at least sarkeizen and profitis are totally useless they being on this forum just to manipulate info, to distort or redirect the discussions. Beings that should be ignored in the future, if you want to continue to learn something through your own effort. Now I think it's time to go back to the main theme of this topic, namely the magnetic vortex.
Sarkeizen:'For example TheoriaApoptosis (or whatever his name is), sandag, SeaMonkey, profitis, Magluvin, Joel,Cap-Z-ro, the only way they survive is that they refuse to engage in the discussion. For me, being able to force all of them to retreat to being unable to engage me. Suits me just fine.'
Hey don't include me in that list I used modern school textbooks against you and you did not force me into any corner as I released easily repeatable verifiable experimentos to support theoretics.(Btw.not one human being has come back today to say to me: hey profitis,your oxygen experiments don't work)
Sadang:'that discussions with at least sarkeizen and profitis are totally useless they being on this forum just to manipulate info, to distort or redirect the discussions.'
You've got to be shitting me,I just said it would help to bring critic-proof demo's to the thread OR no demo's at all.that's all I suggested
Quote from: profitis on March 27, 2015, 03:57:55 AM
Sadang:'that discussions with at least sarkeizen and profitis are totally useless they being on this forum just to manipulate info, to distort or redirect the discussions.'
You've got to be shitting me,I just said it would help to bring critic-proof demo's to the thread OR no demo's at all.that's all I suggested
Critic proof demo's in the real world does not exist. There is always going to be someone saying that this or that is not , or that it could be done this other way. What you want is everything brought to you in a formula ready to be digested and used to your own profit. An easy "hey now I an use that to build that free energy machine - (whatever comes to your mind) electronic device. When Tesla brough his inventions and theories there was no critic-proof demos. Edison said ac electricity was dangerous and even electrocuted and elephant with AC to "prove"how bad was AC compared to DC. Others just simply did not understood Tesla and yet others knew he was right but could not accept it personally according to their knowledge and beliefs. Now,.. if there is a vortex in the magnet , and in the future in can be proved by additional means besides what Mr Wheeler showed , what would you do?? Would you find another failure to his ideas ? Will you tell him to explain it to you in formula? -- My point is that you are not going to be satisfied ever. And if you see some truth in it , why dont you use your shiny gray matter and device and experiment yourself that can prove /disprove it???
Quote from: sadang on March 27, 2015, 03:05:46 AM
@Raz
Those which are on this website for more than one year already know about Meyl. At least in my opinion is hard to not have heard about Meyl if someone really studied the Tesla work. On the other hand hope you convinced yourself that discussions with at least sarkeizen and profitis are totally useless they being on this forum just to manipulate info, to distort or redirect the discussions. Beings that should be ignored in the future, if you want to continue to learn something through your own effort. Now I think it's time to go back to the main theme of this topic, namely the magnetic vortex.
The reason I quoted Meyl was precisely because of the magnetic vortex:
-----------" In his books, Prof. Dr.-Ing. Konstantin Meyl develops a self-consistent field theory which is used to derive at all known interactions of the potential vortex. Instead of the normally used Maxwell equation, Prof. Meyl chooses Faradays law of induction, as a hypothetical factor and proves that the electric vortex is a part thereof. This potential vortex propagates scalar-like through space and is a longitudinal electric wave whose properties have already been established a century ago by Nicola Tesla. This phenomenon can now be studied and examined thanks to a fully functional replica designed by Prof. Meyl.---------
-------Nikola Tesla was the biggest scientific genius in the last century. Today there is Prof. Dr. Konstantin Meyl from Villingen, Black Forrest, Germany. He has not only organized a revival of Tesla but developed his research to mindboggling levels. He detected that every vortex has a counterpart, a so-called potential vortex, being able to form matter. He shows that electrons, protons, neutrinos etc. are double vortexes, without needing a postulate. By that he proves that there are two more types of waves besides the already well-known electromagnetic wave (Hertz 1888). Tesla (1899) detected the electric scalar wave and Meyl the magnetic scalar wave, giving access to free energy, huge over-unity effects. The magnetic scalar wave, as an aspect of the neutrinos and therefore being faster than the speed of light, is used in all biology, so Meyl can explain how the DNA is sending information and energy as an antenna using a DNA wave.--------- This sounds in part like was Schauberger was doing when he was inducing implosion vortexes and the results he was obtaining.
I have not been here a year so could you point me in the right direction to and if anyone here got to an especific conclusion about Meyl? I just got his book but what I posted before says that he "shows that electrons, protons, neutrinos etc. are double vortexes, without needing a postulate"--
Im interested in knowing in this electric ( or dielectric ) scalar wave could be a counter vortex of the magnetic scalar wave and hence both can be represented as a double vortex like the one in W. Russel books.Thanks .
Raz:'Critic proof demo's in the real world does not exist. There is always going to be someone saying that this or that is not , or that it could be done this other way.'
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Wrong.if I shove a burning lightbulb infront of you that uses tungsten instead of carbon and it burns better,wouldn't the majority then say 'tungsten rules ok'? You bet your ass they would say it.
Raz:' What you want is everything brought to you in a formula ready to be digested and used to your own profit. An easy "hey now I an use that to build that free energy machine - (whatever comes to your mind)'
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Damn right I want ideas.I want to improve on others ideas and make money yes.but how can I do this if I don't own an infrared camera? Its not fair,only those guys who own infrared cameras can now steal apophasis ideas :)
Raz:' Now,.. if there is a vortex in the magnet , and in the future in can be proved by additional means besides what Mr Wheeler showed , what would you do?? Would you find another failure to his ideas ? Will you tell him to explain it to you in formula? -- My point is that you are not going to be satisfied ever.'
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Are you kidding? If he can show this thing and destroy critics like me with it then it will send ripples through the corridors of established science.I'l shutup and take his side to fight the rest of critics in an instant :)
Raz:' And if you see some truth in it , why dont you use your shiny gray matter and device and experiment yourself that can prove /disprove it???'
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He was doing excellent job at manipulating and inverting the things that the relativists themselves cannot prove or disprove eg. reducing all matter and waves to a common entity and he should stay this course because here's a real chance of revolution with minimal EFFECTIVE criticism.he's correct,the relativists grossly neglect the essense of many things and should harp on that,take it further and simplify it.but when it comes to declaring a priori circular movements that have an effect on bismuth and on other externals he falls weak at the knees with evidence.how can I help to prove something which I don't have reason to believe exists yet? He's got the money,I already suggested like 3 different angles to take to reveal this supposed 'vortex' but no words from him? Why no redo of the bismuth expo in a better way?the bismuth expo if real can exonnerate apophasis
Great Raz. That's the kind of message that I would like to see here on this topic at least, if not rather on all forums about free energy and/or overunity claims. Not impositions of facts already known and understood, from guys who trow Maxwell's equations of electromagnetism and relativity in front of anyone as an ultimate truth about this Universe. This is nothing more than a dogma with its blind believers and not science at all.
If it can be discussed about Faraday's scalar component of magnetic field I think is also wise to talk about Ampere's scalar component of the electric field. And further of both these fields as arising from dielectricity, but not from what is now known as dielectric and dielectricity, but instead from the dielectricity or electrostatics seen as the first and closest manifestation to the luminiferous ether. Or with the word of Ken: "dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain".
But I see you still think about the magnetism, dielectricity and electricity as something external to the observer. Pay great attention to these aspects, because they are crucial as fundamental premise for further development of any potential theory and materialization of it.
The time of mechanical rules and laws of the previous centuries in which the observer was allways seen as something external and separate (wrong premise - but in reality a subconscious conditioning not even detectable by conscious mind) has reached its limit.
Now if you will start from the right premise in reading the book of Ken, and will go back in time following the direct or indirect references he points to in his book, will comprehend much more than Meyl. Again, the first and correct premise if to forget about the empty space, and you as a separate and distinct entity in this non-existent space.
This image from Ken's collection could be a good starting point.
Sadang:'The time of mechanical rules and laws of the previous centuries in which the observer was allways seen as something external and separate (wrong premise - but in reality a subconscious conditioning not even detectable by conscious mind) has reached its limit.'
Yes heisenberg/schrodinger pointed this out in a clever way
Quote from: profitis on March 27, 2015, 05:30:07 AM
Raz:'Critic proof demo's in the real world does not exist. There is always going to be someone saying that this or that is not , or that it could be done this other way.'
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Wrong.if I shove a burning lightbulb infront of you that uses tungsten instead of carbon and it burns better,wouldn't the majority then say 'tungsten rules ok'? You bet your ass they would say it.
Raz:' What you want is everything brought to you in a formula ready to be digested and used to your own profit. An easy "hey now I an use that to build that free energy machine - (whatever comes to your mind)'
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Damn right I want ideas.I want to improve on others ideas and make money yes.but how can I do this if I don't own an infrared camera? Its not fair,only those guys who own infrared cameras can now steal apophasis ideas :)
Raz:' Now,.. if there is a vortex in the magnet , and in the future in can be proved by additional means besides what Mr Wheeler showed , what would you do?? Would you find another failure to his ideas ? Will you tell him to explain it to you in formula? -- My point is that you are not going to be satisfied ever.'
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Are you kidding? If he can show this thing and destroy critics like me with it then it will send ripples through the corridors of established science.I'l shutup and take his side to fight the rest of critics in an instant :)
Raz:' And if you see some truth in it , why dont you use your shiny gray matter and device and experiment yourself that can prove /disprove it???'
Unquote
He was doing excellent job at manipulating and inverting the things that the relativists themselves cannot prove or disprove eg. reducing all matter and waves to a common entity and he should stay this course because here's a real chance of revolution with minimal EFFECTIVE criticism.he's correct,the relativists grossly neglect the essense of many things and should harp on that,take it further and simplify it.but when it comes to declaring a priori circular movements that have an effect on bismuth and on other externals he falls weak at the knees with evidence.how can I help to prove something which I don't have reason to believe exists yet? He's got the money,I already suggested like 3 different angles to take to reveal this supposed 'vortex' but no words from him? Why no redo of the bismuth expo in a better way?the bismuth expo if real can exonnerate apophasis
Ok,.. I am going to give you a small credit point for being sincere in your answer. I think it is only in your mind that Mr. Wheeler needs to be " exonnerated ", and much less by a poster in this website. I guess he have the money like you said , but he already have proof enough. Your problem is that you cannot believe it. Turn it the other way and think about something that you are absolutely convinced and know it is true. Would you mind what whoever says? Mr. Wheeler already says he have no other motives than knowledge and he shared it here. Your compulsion is yours and no one's else. And why dont you forget about the damn bismuth and think about other things. How about Schrauberger maximus "Understand and copy nature". What is so hard for you to see about the vortex when everything that surrounds you from the microcosmos to the macro deals in cycles ,frequencies and vortices??? And they all constantly repeat. That is the pulse of life . And everything is alive. Go get a break ,have a glass of wine, find a job, make some money , undertand the book, buy your freaking infrared camera and stop whining.Maybe you can be saved after all.... ::)
Quote from: sadang on March 27, 2015, 05:54:15 AM
Great Raz. That's the kind of message that I would like to see here on this topic at least, if not rather on all forums about free energy and/or overunity claims. Not impositions of facts already known and understood, from guys who trow Maxwell's equations of electromagnetism and relativity in front of anyone as an ultimate truth about this Universe. This is nothing more than a dogma with its blind believers and not science at all.
If it can be discussed about Faraday's scalar component of magnetic field I think is also wise to talk about Ampere's scalar component of the electric field. And further of both these fields as arising from dielectricity, but not from what is now known as dielectric and dielectricity, but instead from the dielectricity or electrostatics seen as the first and closest manifestation to the luminiferous ether. Or with the word of Ken: "dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain".
But I see you still think about the magnetism, dielectricity and electricity as something external to the observer. Pay great attention to these aspects, because they are crucial as fundamental premise for further development of any potential theory and materialization of it.
The time of mechanical rules and laws of the previous centuries in which the observer was allways seen as something external and separate (wrong premise - but in reality a subconscious conditioning not even detectable by conscious mind) has reached its limit.
Now if you will start from the right premise in reading the book of Ken, and will go back in time following the direct or indirect references he points to in his book, will comprehend much more than Meyl. Again, the first and correct premise if to forget about the empty space, and you as a separate and distinct entity in this non-existent space.
This image from Ken's collection could be a good starting point.
So how will you visually represent this dielectricity?? As a corpuscle like Russell said? As tubes of force? As an elemental plane between the magnetic vortex polarities? Lets say I strain the ether, by cutting lines of magnetic force with a conductor---where do the dielectricity aligns itself regarding the conductor and in which plane? and how it "flows" or "stays" in the conductor ?
Raz:'And why dont you forget about the damn bismuth and think about other things.'
Because this is too important to this website if real.now we must wait for me to say no to a good coupla hookers in order to purchase an infra? It may take a while :)
Raz:'Turn it the other way and think about something that you are absolutely convinced and know it is true. Would you mind what whoever says?'
You shouldve seen me on the thread where I FORCED forward my convictions AND demonstrations on atomic oxygen :).apophasis don't look like he want to FORCE a conclusion on an experiment already given. this doesn't help us the viewers
Quote from: profitis on March 27, 2015, 06:37:40 AM
Raz:'And why dont you forget about the damn bismuth and think about other things.'
Because this is too important to this website if real.now we must wait for me to say no to a good coupla hookers in order to purchase an infra? It may take a while :)
You are doomed.
Raz:'You are doomed.'
Maybe we don't need an infra to detect this vortex.maybe a magnet will change the electrical output of a galvanic bismuth cell? If it heatsup the slightest bit we should be able to register an increase in voltage...mmmm
The cardinal error of science lies in shutting the Creator out of His Creation. Russell talk about modalities of ether not about particles. Tubes of force? Not really! They can be counted as a specific ether dynamics, a fundamental one, but not as dielectricity itself. Dielectricity is expressed somehow by Ken as "ether under stress or strain". I think the deep and right answer is in the book Occult Chemistry. My own view is somehow similar to what is learned now about electrostatics. Generally speaking, but do not want to get into details. That should be everyone's homework.
Now, according to my point of view the dielectricity is closer to this view "As an elemental plane between the magnetic vortex polarities" And only if we talk about polarities as a human way of saying (based on human model of thinking) not as an intrinsic reality of their nature. There is not any polarities, others than those defined by human minds. They are rather complementarities, the same as in the above image. They are simply reciprocating necessary dynamics so the ether can manifest and shape this world from micro to macro levels.
To the last question I choose to not answer, because I'm not sure about anything yet. I'm still on the road but far behind understandings of Keely, Tesla, Reich, Russell and other giants of ether science. Perhaps Ken will have a point of view here.
Anyway what you asked now sent my thoughts to the Paul Baumann experiment. However, I'll lean deep and longer on this question! Thanks for asking.
Quote from: Raz on March 27, 2015, 02:19:43 AM
so you think that all of them "retreat" because they are being unable to engage you???
Yep. The only thing they can do is avoid the questions at hand and spend lots of energy doing so. :)
QuoteAnd the reason they ignore you is because to people who really want to learn the truth, you are only a nobody and someone easy to ignore.
They don't ignore me. They spend all of their time trying to avoid addressing the point in question. Profitis did it for something like a year. :)
QuoteIt is not that you have any more knowledge than anyone here
In the threads I'm participating in, in the subjects I'm addressing then I certainly appear to. :)
Quoteor that you can "prove " something.
Depends on what you mean by "prove" and it depends on if you will engage the issue. If you won't obviously I can't advance an argument against a position that is undisclosed. :)
Quote from: profitis on March 27, 2015, 03:33:56 AM
Hey don't include me in that list I used modern school textbooks against you and you did not force me
Dude. You agreed to provide a FORMAL argument and you spent a year lying and avoiding the question. If you provided a formal argument then please point out where it is and how all the steps logically FORCE the conclusion. In the end you even lied about the textbook you claimed were quoting from. :) I have the exact book and edition sitting on my shelf today. I think of it as a trophy. :)
Any time you want to step back into that ring I'd be happy to put your lights out. :) but of course you would have to show a formal argument and if you couldn't do that in a year....well...I'm not optimistic. :)
Sarkeizen:'provide a FORMAL argument'
I gave you the formula but you ignored it right through the argument for some unknown reason E=RT/nF ln k1/k2.k= equilibrium forward or backward rate constants of different catalysts at both electrodes for O2+2H2O +2e-><4OH-.you failed to explain why these different catalyst constants should change during both backward and forward reactions and you failed to give reason for thermodynamic irreversability in this classic textbook concentration cell when you should be easily able to do so.demonstration replicability ruled out all of your counter-argument in any case,there was no need for words,just action.in short: I showed you why a scientific constant remains constant at 25 deg C but you didn't show us why a constant should change at 25 deg C.
Quote from: profitis on March 27, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
Sarkeizen:'provide a FORMAL argument'
I gave you the formula
Which is not a formal argument. You lose. When you can bring a formal argument you will win.
But that will be never because you're a moron. :)
Sarkeizen:'But that will be never because you're a moron. :)'
A constant remains a constant at 25 deg C until you show us scientists why this is not so
Quote from: profitis on March 27, 2015, 03:03:31 PM
A constant
Is not a formal argument. You lose. :)
When you can present a formal argument. You will win. Sorry that's the rules. :)
Sarkeizen:'formal argument. You will win.'
A CONSTANT remains a CONSTANT in the formula E= RT/nF ln k1/k2.at 25 deg C.forcing the conclusion:This voltage is permanent.forcing,permanent.I win
Quote from: profitis on March 27, 2015, 05:00:27 PM
Sarkeizen:'formal argument. You will win.'
A CONSTANT
Is not a formal argument. If it was you could show a list of steps coming from a set of agreed upon assumptions where each further step is LOGICALLY NECESSARY - that means no knowledge of physics, chemistry or specialized domain knowledge at all is required.
Seriously, we did this dance already. You said: "I don't want to write the whole thing out". Hence...you lose. :) :)
The smart ones here convincingly shoot down anything I say.
Anyways I must thank pinestone who's obviously got a grasp of
science. Not only has he introduced me to Rayleigh scattering and
transformation optics, now he has put me on to Quantum Foam!
Now I can see that there's a whole new world inside an empty box.
Don Lincoln of Fermilab (I think) shows some amazing things such
as virtual particles appearing and vanishing, some theoretical and
real results matching to about 8 places, all this courtesy of the good
old 'tube. Thanks pinestone I now believe in 'ether!!!
Peasant John.
Quote from: sadang on March 27, 2015, 08:28:04 AM
The cardinal error of science lies in shutting the Creator out of His Creation. Russell talk about modalities of ether not about particles. Tubes of force? Not really! They can be counted as a specific ether dynamics, a fundamental one, but not as dielectricity itself. Dielectricity is expressed somehow by Ken as "ether under stress or strain". I think the deep and right answer is in the book Occult Chemistry. My own view is somehow similar to what is learned now about electrostatics. Generally speaking, but do not want to get into details. That should be everyone's homework.
Now, according to my point of view the dielectricity is closer to this view "As an elemental plane between the magnetic vortex polarities" And only if we talk about polarities as a human way of saying (based on human model of thinking) not as an intrinsic reality of their nature. There is not any polarities, others than those defined by human minds. They are rather complementarities, the same as in the above image. They are simply reciprocating necessary dynamics so the ether can manifest and shape this world from micro to macro levels.
To the last question I choose to not answer, because I'm not sure about anything yet. I'm still on the road but far behind understandings of Keely, Tesla, Reich, Russell and other giants of ether science. Perhaps Ken will have a point of view here.
Anyway what you asked now sent my thoughts to the Paul Baumann experiment. However, I'll lean deep and longer on this question! Thanks for asking.
My questions comes from Russell "the universal one" he says:
Electrically generating elements and magnetically radiating lines of force are the same force exerted in apparently opposite directions. The former is centripetal and its direction is toward the nucleal (center of a closing spiral. The latter is centrifugal and its direction is away from the center toward the opening spiral. Their difference is but a rising or lowering of potential. One always becomes the other. Each is the cause of the other. Radio-activity is a lowering of potential into 5 higher octaves of elements of greater speed but lesser power. Genero-activity is the increasing of potential into lower octaves of greater power and lesser speed. Genero-activity builds the elements. Radio-activity tears them apart. The elements are composed of apparently separate particles in motion which shall henceforth be called "light units" or "corpuscles." The spiral genero-radiative waves are the medium of reproduction of idea throughout the entirety of the universe. All idea of Mind produced by thinking is reproduced throughout the entirety of the universe of Mind in measurable waves of electro- magnetic opposition. These apparently opposing genero-radiative waves constitute the creating and decreating universe of integrating and disintegrating elements of potential energy which man calls the "created physical" universe. Man has measured the speed at which the energy of light appears to travel along waves as 186,400 miles per second. This measure is the highest measure of the perceptible impulses of universal thinking. This is the measure of energy reproduction which man calls the "speed of light." Page 37
Man's concept of the speed of light, as being uniform, is a wrong concept. To man, light is incandescent luminosity. Page 38 Page 39
To man that which is not glowingly incandescent is not light. All matter is light. This universe is one of light. Solids of matter, heavy, dark, and cold, are as much light as flaming Arcturus.
Russell actually describes electricity as" centripetal and its direction is toward the nucleal center of a closing spiral(a vortex),but I think he was refering to dielectricity and not electricity. Russell never used the word dielectricity in the universal one, so I dont know if he ever read Faraday or thompson or maxwell.
Tesla talked about the tubes of force on the ether. I do understand the explanation of Ken about the dielectric being an elemental plane between the magnetic vortex polarities. I also do understand that the polarities are by our convention , and it must be this way to identify them if we are going to perform an experiment.Mainly what I am asking you is how you visualize this dielectric . I can visualize electricity as conventional science pictures it, but i want to know how others visualize dielectric in a picture beside an electric " current" or " elastic band" or "tube of force". How do other people visualize it in action in an application, not just standing in "space" in the middle of a magnet. To visualize this interactions is what would make it really useful in developing new applications.
For me this journey has been most exciting, thanks Ken Wheeler for introducing me to
particle physics if that's what it's called.
Don Lincoln explains that as a result of the known charge and spin of an electron that
it is a magnetic dipole and the exact magnetic strength can be calculated and measured.
I can sort of come to terms with that but entanglement is something else, I can't
ever imagine understanding what that is,
John.
Samrt guys VS simpletons. The battle continues. Lol
TheoriaAphopasis
Sadang
Raz
Give way more real information than those one liners of:
profitis (obvious English is not his native language)
MileHigh (the self appointed judge or gate keeper of truth lol)
Pirate88179 (for ever be remembered as the JB weld guy)
sarkeichen (the expert regarding anything lol)
Those clowns of profitis, milehigh, sarkeichen and pirate do not have a clue what they are talking. If I had to judge who is spitting more knowledge between them all, it would be milehigh, but that guy is in the same category as the rest. Meh! Lol simpletons being labeled. Like they say, you are who you hand around with, in this case, you are who you agree with on the interwebs...lol
Quote from: joel321 on March 28, 2015, 01:11:58 AM
TheoriaAphopasis
Sadang
Raz
Give way more real information than those one liners of:
See it's interesting. You can't tell that Sadang and Raz are actually the opposite of information providers. They really don't say anything at all. Go ahead point out some real bit of information they've provided.
Yawn...anyway I was hoping proftis had come back so I could watch you two make out again. :)
Quote...anyway I was hoping proftis had come back so I could watch you two make out again.
He asked me to suck his dck which I respectfully denied the offer. OHHH, you got jealous! lol Why not send him a PM sir, lol. ::)
Joel:'He asked me to '
I ordered you
Sarkeizen:' list of steps'
Let's make it easier for you: E equilibrium= gOE(a)-gOE(b) where gOE is the gaseous galvanic overpotential on the two inert electrodes (a) and (b).since gaseous overpotentials are intrinsic to the elemental work functions of different elements we can insert constants and it becomes Ek= k(a)-k(b) at 25 deg C. I win. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v159/n4042/abs/159539b0.html
Raz, to comprehend the intimate aspects of Universe someone don't have to follow others ways, just to ask himself consecutive questions. All answers are all around him, just matter how he look at them. If he look at them as to separate things of himself, all interpretation and further shaping of the Universe will be in an irresponsible way. On the contrary, if he look at them as him being part of the Universe, then the further shaping of this will be a responsible one. The same was the case for Russell! And for others of course! Now again, here Ken can give a hand of help, only to want. He know much more than me about Russell.
I associate the dielectricity with what is known in science as electrostatics. Of course it is just a convenience, the current scientific electrostatics concept as equivalent of some dualistic, separate and independent static electricity is a very wrong assumption. Is the same as saying the breathing is composed only of inspiration or just expiration, which could exists independent of each other. Both, the dielectricity and the breathing are ever dynamic processes, dualistic (or opposed) as interpreted by human minds, but as a whole (a necessary complementarity) seen in their intimate nature and way of manifestation.
Now you asked me how it can be used in practical experiments. Exactly as usual electrostatics experiments are performed by someone interested in this matter. Just the premises of each experiment with electrostatics will shape the expected results. Now, in an empty space thinking paradigm, the electrostatic concept will give rise to well known kind of experiments. But in an all pervading ether thinking paradigm other are the premises and other the results expected and achieved (for this reason it is said the truth is front of all, but no one see it). Where someone is blocked at Lenz Law and can't see more than what that Law impose, others will see the interaction of helical dynamics of ether modalities in their way back to the inertial plane. And the most important aspect in this new thinking paradigm and not only for this kind of experiments, is that the observer is part of the experimental setup. In fact how the things usually happen all the times from the beginning, only we don't want to accept this fact or we are conditioned to not even sense it, resuming our kind of lab and life experiments only to mechanical premises and mechanical expected results. Is a closed loop of manifestations from each the observer is wrongly excluded. For this reason all freaky, unusual experiments phenomena are officially rejected by academic science and oculted to the knowledge of large masses, but studied intensively in private or governmental areas.
Now, hope you get an image of how I think about the dielectricity, but please don't ask me to put in plain words all my thoughts. Let's follow the way of Ken and to make experiments according to what and how we understand things and expose them, leaving to others the right, pleasure or hate to interpret them according to their own level of understanding and knowledge.
Sadang: Thanks for your thoughs. Dont worry, I wont torture you too much. I was envisioning the dielectric in static electricity too, as I have seen this this set up in numerous experiments . Just good to know others consider it too.
Quote from: profitis on March 28, 2015, 04:41:03 AM
Let's make it easier for you
Not a list of steps. Keep on being the big loser you are it makes me all happy inside. :)
Need a hint? Example:
i) Assuming Socrates is a man and all men are mortal.
ii) Socrates is moral.
It is impossible if i) is true that ii) is not true. We went through this and all you could do is claim that some argument existed but you didn't want to write it down but if you've changed your mind then by all means please write it out.
...but we all know you can't because you're a moron. :)
Quote from: sadang on March 28, 2015, 05:59:27 AM
Raz, to comprehend the intimate aspects of Universe someone don't have to follow others ways, just to ask himself consecutive questions. All answers are all around him, just matter how he look at them.
Oh so you can prove that P != NP? Please do. I'll wait. :)
Sarkeizen:'i) Assuming Socrates is a man and all men are mortal.
ii) Socrates is mortal.'
I)Assuming all equilibrium gas over and underpotentials are dependant on different elemental constants
II)All equilibrium overpotential differences are constant
Slamdunk again mr sarkeizen you can't escape the constants
QuoteThose clowns of profitis, milehigh, sarkeichen and pirate do not have a clue what they are talking. If I had to judge who is spitting more knowledge between them all, it would be milehigh, but that guy is in the same category as the rest. Meh! Lol simpletons being labeled. Like they say, you are who you hand around with, in this case, you are who you agree with on the interwebs...lol
Well, this thread is going nowhere, and Science will continue to march on. I just learned about USB 3.1 yesterday! woo-hoo! The Jetsons are coming!
Five years from now, I wonder where the "magnetic vortex" discussion will be. Just one of thousands of forgotten threads that went nowhere, perhaps?
Milehigh:' Just one of thousands of forgotten threads that went nowhere, perhaps?'
Its sad(or stupid?).if apophasis were to measure-up against us establishment scientists with adequate ammo we might BEGIN to greet him.so far looks like he's only aiming for the dimwits's pockets-attention.
Quote from: profitis on March 28, 2015, 10:58:44 AM
Sarkeizen:'i) Assuming Socrates is a man and all men are mortal.
ii) Socrates is mortal.'
I)Assuming all equilibrium gas over and underpotentials are dependant on different elemental constants
II)All equilibrium overpotential differences are constant
Yawn you really don't know anything about logic....weird how did you get through school?
a) The assumptions have to be agreed upon.
b) i) does not necessitate ii) in and of itself.
c) ii) is not the agreed on conclusion
So again - you lose. :)
Sarkeizen:'a) The assumptions have to be agreed upon.'
I'm an electrochemist,your a lawyer,but we can try :)
Sarkeizen:'b) i) does not necessitate ii) in and of itself.'
Oh but in YOUR example it did.why not my example?
Sarkeizen:'c) ii) is not the agreed on conclusion'
The textbooks require your handshake to reveal themselves?
Sarkeizen:'So again - you lose. :)'
You sure? :):)
All humans need to drink water to survive.
Everyone who has been drinking water is now dead, or will die sometime in the future.
Therefore, all humans are dying,
OR, water is a deadly poison.
Logic, as you can see, can be abused.
Bill
Quote from: profitis on March 28, 2015, 05:30:27 PM
Oh but in YOUR example it did.why not my example?
If a statement is a necessary consequence then it requires no field knowledge to demonstrate. Yours does. QED. Come back when you stop being a loser. :)
Quote
Sarkeizen:'c) ii) is not the agreed on conclusion'
The textbooks require your handshake to reveal themselves?
Yawn. If I say "I can prove that profits is least intelligent person who ever lived" then as proof I offer:
i) Assuming Socrates is a man and all men are mortal
ii) Therefore Socrates is mortal.
It doesn't make my point since the conclusion ii) is NOT what was agreed on. Any reason you are this stupid?
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Sarkeizen:'So again - you lose. :)'
You sure? :):)
Logic says "yes". :)
QuoteWell, this thread is going nowhere, and Science will continue to march on. I just learned about USB 3.1 yesterday! woo-hoo! The Jetsons are coming!
The only reason you may not understand is because your brain is lagging or bias. Your brain expects everything to be crazy talk from everyone But yet you can see the "evolution" not being static!
So that means that that tomorrow you will learn something new but it will still lag from the people that are 10-20 years ahead of their time. The USA army is 10-20 years ahead of the present time. You the peasant will not learn about those future technologies until 10-20 years from now. Is not like you even notice this this week...
http://i.imgur.com/xcNXI3e.jpg
Tell me why are you not one of those people that can be heard all over the place like Nikola Tesla's name?
QuoteFive years from now, I wonder where the "magnetic vortex" discussion will be. Just one of thousands of forgotten threads that went nowhere, perhaps?
Instead of waiting for someone to make a difference, why aren't you trying to make a difference and be well known. e.g. MileHigh invented the first anti gravity vehicle?
Don't get me wrong, you have the mentality, but you set yourself to just "disproof everyone", why not set yourself to "prove everyone"?
Trust me, your brain power can be more productive than what it is being used for right now. Trust me, you are, I would say, many steps ahead than the average person in the thinking. Why not get new ideas from the rest that are ahead of you?
The new ideas is not that they are wrong! The new ideas is that they need more improvement. This is 100% facts over everything.
EVERY new idea is easy to learn, it only lacks improvement! It is not that every new idea is wrong! That only comes from your closed corrupt GREED implanted mind. That means that life is not static.
Let me look in to my crystal ball, you say this thread is going no where? OK. I understand. But where will you be 5 years from now? In the forum still saying that someone else coming up with a new idea is going no where? Rinse and repeat? You will still be in the past 5 years in the future.
Sarkeizen:'If a statement is a necessary consequence then it requires no field knowledge to demonstrate.'
And I suppose all the scientists consulted all the thai masseurs' to arrive at the statement 'air is definitely one 5th o2'. Your being silly but I'l humour you anyways.which specific part of my 2-part clause do you have a problem with then sir,let's see if we can modify it to suit your needs :)
Sarkeizen:'i) Assuming Socrates is a man and all men are mortal
ii) Therefore Socrates is mortal.
I agree with conclusion II here.do you agree with conclusion II here in your own example
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 04:56:47 AM
And I suppose all the scientists consulted all the thai masseurs' to arrive at the statement 'air is definitely one 5th o2'.
Again the statement "Profits is the least intelligent creature that ever lived.". No matter how obviously true that statement is. It is not a NECESSARY CONSEQUENCE of the assumption "All men are mortal and Socrates is a man". Similarly no matter how obvious or clear or whatever you like to pretend your conclusions are they are not necessary consequences. :)
Quotewhich specific part
The part that requires domain specific knowledge. :)
Sarkeizen'The part that requires domain specific knowledge. :)'
So bring your scientist friends onboard.bring them onto the thread
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 02:16:08 PM
Sarkeizen'The part that requires domain specific knowledge. :)'
So bring your scientist friends onboard.bring them onto the thread
Sorry don't have any. We covered this same point over a year ago. It's your argument, not mine. You have to do the work to create it.
So again. You lose. :)
Sarkeizen:'Sorry don't have any.'
Your shitting me.bring your college teacher ,your neighbor,bring mark E,anyone.this so hard?no itsnot.
Sarkeizen:'It's your argument, not mine.You have to do the work to create it.'
I did the work.a 2-clause work.a textbook-verifiable 2-clause work.any scientist would agree with me mr sarkeizen.it is only you and you alone who disagrees :)
Sarkeizen:'We covered this same point over a year ago.'
Which is why you lost that thread's argument :)and you still wouldve lost if you brought a scientist on.
Sarkeizen:'So again. You lose. :)'
In your mind and your mind alone :)
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 02:51:58 PM
Sarkeizen:'It's your argument, not mine.You have to do the work to create it.'
I did the work.
Nope. If you go up and read this thread (or the prior one) the work required was a formal argument. You did not provide one, if you could you would be able to point to a series of steps which necessitate an agreed upon conclusion (and "necessitate" means that there is no domain specific knowledge required).
So you have provided no formal argument, hence your work was not done. QED. I mean as much as you want to pretend that:
i) Profits gives himself multiple cranial traumas daily (probably true assumption)
ii) Therefore he knows the secret to making unicorns
is a valid and true argument. It isn't. Where it falls down is making an argument between i) and ii) which requires no domain knowledge. If you attempt to remove the restriction against domain specific knowledge then all arguments are formal and true because at any point you could claim that some expert in unicorn-ology exists which states that i) necessary and sufficient to prove ii). Even if you know of no such expert that doesn't necessitate that such an expert doesn't exist. Hence in order for this argument to be formal AND true. You can not depend on domain specific knowledge. QED
The fact that you can't understand this is interesting. Do you have any idea WHY you are unable to comprehend this? I'd be interested in hearing your ideas why you are so brain-damaged in this way. :)
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 02:56:44 PM
Sarkeizen:'So again. You lose. :)'
In your mind and your mind alone :)
Nope. It's easily absolutely PROVEN that you lost the argument which was to: PRODUCE A FORMAL ARGUMENT.
No formal argument is here. So you lost that argument. QED.
If you think I'm wrong you only have to produce a series of steps which require absolutely no domain specific knowledge. Which you already have admitted that you haven't. So again, by your own words you have failed. :)
These conversations always make me feel super happy. :) :) :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 29, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
Nope. It's easily absolutely PROVEN that you lost the argument which was to: PRODUCE A FORMAL ARGUMENT.
No formal argument is here. So you lost that argument. QED.
If you think I'm wrong you only have to produce a series of steps which require absolutely no domain specific knowledge. Which you already have admitted that you haven't. So again, by your own words you have failed. :)
These conversations always make me feel super happy. :) :) :)
Pardon my ignorance but...what is QED? Obviously there are gaps in my education it appears.
Bill
Sarkeizen:'You can not depend on domain specific knowledge.'
You can if the argument requires domain specific knowledge.bring a fucking scientist ONBOARD mr sarkeizen and I'l settle the score in two seconds flat.you threw a socrates line at me now I'm throwing a electrochemist line at you in the exact same connotation.its not my problem if you cannot comprehend electrochemistry textbook rules.you demanded and you received.case closed.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 29, 2015, 03:18:46 PM
Pardon my ignorance but...what is QED? Obviously there are gaps in my education it appears.
Bill
latin: Quod Erat Demonstrandum - roughly "That which was to be proved"
Pirate:'Pardon my ignorance but...what is QED? Obviously there are gaps in my education it appears.'
mr sarkeizen expects us to know his latin but doesn't expect to be thrown greek in return.I have to now be his electrochemical interpreter now.how do i put this in his language when he's looking to catch me out in an latin argument?
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 29, 2015, 03:32:15 PM
latin: Quod Erat Demonstrandum - roughly "That which was to be proved"
Ah, OK, thank you.
Bill
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 03:30:06 PM
Sarkeizen:'You can not depend on domain specific knowledge.'
You can if the argument requires domain specific knowledge.
That means you can't make a formal argument. Thank you for admitting you lost the argument. Again I'll just remind you what was asked for is a FORMAL ARGUMENT which you agreed to and you now admit you can not produce. :)
Quotebring a fucking scientist ONBOARD
ROFL. Now you're begging for HELP in order to do the hard parts. LOL.
Quoteyou demanded
(a formal argument)
Quoteand you received.
What you ABSOLUTELY CLEARLY AND UTTERLY ADMIT IS NOT ONE.
So thanks for conceding. :) but please don't stop posting. :)
http://mms.gsfc.nasa.gov/index.html
Quote from: Raz on March 29, 2015, 07:48:41 PM
http://mms.gsfc.nasa.gov/index.html
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/largest-cupcake-fairy-cake
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 29, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/largest-cupcake-fairy-cake (http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/largest-cupcake-fairy-cake)
2,954 pounds! Wow, now that is what I call a cupcake. I wonder if it was blueberry?
Bill
Mr sarkeizen you said this: 'Need a hint? Example:
i) Assuming Socrates is a man and all men are mortal.
ii) Socrates is mortal.
It is impossible if i) is true that ii) is not true. We went through this and all you could do is claim that some argument existed but you didn't want to write it down but'
Then I wrote down this:
I)Assuming all equilibrium gas over and underpotentials are dependant on different elemental constants
II)All equilibrium overpotential differences are constant
We are still waiting for your counter-attack on my given two-clause textbook-derived statement
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 08:58:20 PM
We are still messing around pretending we made a formal argument even though we just admitted that we didn't.
Yes...and that's the problem. Now fix it. :) :) :) :) :)
Sarkeizen:'pretending we made a formal argument even though we just admitted that we didn't.'
What's informal about my two-clause argument, You trained me how to format it
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 09:20:23 PM
What's informal about my two-clause argument, You trained me how to format it
Apparently you need another hint. :)
As yourself this, does a valid formal argument with true assumptions mean any conclusion is correct. :)
Take your time with this one, every time I trap you you spend months trying to dance your way out of it probably damaging some part of your brain in the process. So do yourself a favor and think this through for once in your exceptionally stupid existence. :)
Sarkeizen:'trying to dance your way out of it'
its not me that's dancing its you that's dancing.my two-clause remains unchallenged.its waiting
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 09:49:51 PM
Sarkeizen:'trying to dance your way out of it'
its not me that's dancing its you that's dancing.
Why can't you answer a simple question then? Because you don't understand it and because you're afraid that by answering it you will LOSE (again). Here it is again: Does a valid formal argument with true assumptions mean any conclusion is correct. :)
See what I mean Raz? Rez? Profitis is completely paralyzed. He can't answer any more questions or he will lose. Just like sadang, TheomomiaApotheoiser, Joel and SeaMonkey.
Sarkeizen:' Does a valid formal argument with true assumptions mean any conclusion is correct. :)'
I don't know buddy but you trained me to argue in a specific way and ima stick to it
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 10:03:27 PM
Sarkeizen:' Does a valid formal argument with true assumptions mean any conclusion is correct. :)'
I don't know buddy but you trained me to argue in a specific way and ima stick to it
Nope. "Argue" means to give reasons for something. If you don't know what you're talking about you can't be giving a reason for it. So again you lose another argument.
But we can always do this piecemeal...
So Raz (or whomever you were)...for your edification what I'm about to do to profitis-the-exceptionally-stupid is I'm going to ask him a series of questions and he is going to have to avoid answering each and every one or he will lose his argument. Again I have him completely and utterly paralyzed.
First one: Profiis, you claim you've made a formal argument as I have defined it. Correct?
Sarkeizen:'Nope.'
Yup.you trained me good :).now counter-attack my two-clause statement already dude otherwise it hovvers like a giant shadow over everything else you say
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 10:18:34 PM
Yup.
And....you've just won me one more by avoiding the question I gave you. :)
Again you claim you've made a formal argument as I have defined it. Correct?
I)all equilibrium gas over and underpotentials are dependant on different elemental constants
II)All equilibrium overpotential differences are constant
There.I altered it for you.see what you can do with it now mr sarkeizen. assumptions gone
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 10:41:42 PM
There.I altered it for you.see what you can do with it now mr sarkeizen. assumptions gone
LOL you really are clueless when it comes to logic. Are you saying that your argument is compelling but requires NO ASSUMPTIONS WHATSOEVER?
Again, please think carefully this time - you had to dance for about five posts there. I wonder how many I'll make you dance for this time?
Seriously between Joel's - I'm a fifteen year-old trying to act grown-up persona and your "used car salesmen" approach to arguing. It's a real toss up as to who is my favorite OU troll. :)
Sarkeizen:'Are you saying that your argument is compelling'
Yes
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 10:58:50 PM
Sarkeizen:'Are you saying that your argument is compelling'
Yes
Are you saying that your argument has no assumptions whatsoever?
Pirate:'Ah, OK, thank you.'
I told you he's going to try and screw me over with his latin.but don't worry,I'm going to screw him over with facts.
Sarkeizen:'Are you saying that your argument has no assumptions whatsoever?'
I'm saying my 2-part declaration is compelling.in other words,clause 1 enforces clause 2,there is no way out
Sarkchiken, when the "big bang" "exploded" was because in the primeval atom exploded? There where 4 sub-atomic particles in the before "the big bang" unstable ready to explode theoretical particle. 1 - sub magnetism. 2- sub gravity etc. In a chronological order, the big bang was created by magnetism. Since the sub magnetism in the sub atomic particle was first released to create the universe....gravity came after in exploding after magnetism. and then the other two.
Now based on the foundation of magnetism that comes before gravity, how much do you understand gravity? lol clown!
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 12:57:25 AM
I'm saying my 2-part declaration is compelling.
But you also said:
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 10:41:42 PM
assumptions gone
Are you saying that your argument requires no assumptions at all?
Quote from: joel321 on March 30, 2015, 01:15:52 AM
Sarkchiken, when the.....
I can't answer a question unless it's in English. So far yours doesn't qualify. :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 30, 2015, 01:20:35 AM
I can't answer a question unless it's in English. So far yours doesn't qualify. :)
Oh you want "English"....I was trying to ask if the ass cleaner than the mouth?
Anybody measured neutron radiation from high power DC-DC or DC-AC converter ? If ferrite could be source of radiation then it should occur also at lower frequencies like 1Mhz which is used in electronic converters.
Sarkeizen:'Are you saying that your argument requires no assumptions at all?'
Dude I'm saying that my argument is COMPELLING.compelling mr sarkeizen like this: I)socrates is a man.all men are mortal
II)Socrates is mortal. Part I) enforces part II) there is no way out
I)socrates is a man.all men are mortal
II)Socrates is mortal. Does this argument have any assumptions in it mr sarkeizen.if so,why did you train me in assumptions?
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 07:00:19 AM
I)socrates is a man.all men are mortal
II)Socrates is mortal. Does this argument have any assumptions in it
Only the author of the argument can tell you if they are making an assumption. In one case you said
Quote from: profitis on March 28, 2015, 10:58:44 AM
I)Assuming all equilibrium gas over and underpotentials are dependant on different elemental constants
and in another
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 10:41:42 PM
I)all equilibrium gas over and underpotentials are dependant on different elemental constants
To help you out you might want to ask yourself this question:
Do I have elements in my argument which are not proved in the argument itself?
The best part of all of this is how much profitis thinks he's being clever. :) :) :)
Sarkeizen:'Only the author of the argument can tell you if they are making an assumption.'
Is it compulsory for the author of an argument to tell the counter-arguer wether his/her argument contains assumption when asked by the counter-arguer if his/her argument contains assumption
Sarkeizen:'Do I have elements in my argument which are not proved in the argument itself?'
Is it possible to have such an argument and can you give an example of such an argument
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 08:40:50 AM
Is it compulsory for the author of an argument to tell the counter-arguer wether his/her argument contains assumption
LOL. Ask yourself this: In this context, that is you are claiming you can PROVIDE a written argument which makes some point. Can you achieve that if you do not disclose all the necessary parts of your argument? :)
For example *words* are a necessary part of your argument. Can you provide a written argument that does not use words?
If profits danced any more this place would turn into a disco.
Sarkeizen:'For example *words* are a necessary part of your argument. Can you provide a written argument that does not use words?'
Can you? Give an example and I'l adjust if necessary.teach me how to put you in a corner on your terms :)
Sarkeizen:'Do I have elements in my argument which are not proved in the argument itself?'
Give an example of an argument which proves itself
I)all equilibrium gas over and underpotentials are dependant on different elemental constants
II)All equilibrium overpotential differences are constant
How do you want this altered mr sarkeizen.I'm the taylor
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 09:33:56 AM
I)all equilibrium gas over and underpotentials are dependant on different elemental constants
II)All equilibrium overpotential differences are constant
How do you want this altered mr sarkeizen.
Any necessary assumptions you are making need to be labeled. I've already given you examples of stating assumptions in a argument. :)
Sarkeizen:'Any necessary assumptions you are making need to be labeled.'
Youre requesting this in the middle of an argument?
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 09:51:51 AM
Sarkeizen:'Any necessary assumptions you are making need to be labeled.'
Youre requesting this in the middle of an argument?
You asked, you said you would comply, you lied again. I win. :)
Sarkeizen:'i) Assuming Socrates is a man and all men are mortal.
ii) Socrates is mortal.
It is impossible if i) is true that ii) is not true.'
These are your words correct?
Sarkeizen:'you said you would comply'
Comply in my demise? You must be joking :)
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 10:02:09 AM
Sarkeizen:'you said you would comply'
Comply in my demise? You must be joking :)
So your unstoppable argument would be destroyed if you labeled your necessary assumptions. Good to know. :)
Sarkeizen:'So your unstoppable argument would be destroyed if you labeled your necessary assumptions.'
I don't know but I like it the way it is.try altering it yourself to your satisfaction and see if you can destroy it.
Sarkeizen:'So your unstoppable argument would be destroyed if you labeled your necessary assumptions.'
It won't be destroyed if I don't.at least we know this
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 10:22:52 AM
Sarkeizen:'So your unstoppable argument would be destroyed if you labeled your necessary assumptions.'
I don't know.
So again you lose. :) Thanks for giving up so easily. Assumptions are part of an argument, the only question here is are they a necessary part of yours. Since what was requested was to PROVIDE an argument. The only case where you could be considered to have provided an argument is if you are saying your argument requires no assumptions whatsoever. Otherwise you have argued in bad faith. Which is just another way of saying "Profitis argued something." :)
Let me know which way you want to die. It's been fun cornering you.
(Although if you're true-to-form your next move will be to simply go back and repeat your two statements and make some claim and then appeal to some imagined audience - like I said "used car salesmen" tactics :) :) :) )
Sarkeizen:'So your unstoppable argument would be destroyed if you labeled your necessary assumptions.'
It won't be destroyed if I don't.at least we know this.thus you only half-win.are we cool with this? 50/50?
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 10:49:50 AM
It won't be destroyed if I don't.at least we know this.thus you only half-win.
Nope. You did NOT PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT unless your argument has no necessary assumptions.
So you failed. Again. Want to go one more? :) Happy to watch you fail again. :)
Sarkeizen:'Assumptions are part of an argument,'
I assume I'm 100% correct in my argument yes
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 10:53:55 AM
Sarkeizen:'Assumptions are part of an argument,'
I assume I'm 100% correct in my argument yes
...an argument that you did not provide. So again, you failed. :) Want to go one more? :)
Sarkeizen:'You did NOT PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT unless your argument has no necessary assumptions.'
But my argument itself was that assumption-status is not compulsory to reveal to the opposition
Wait-a-minute..assumption-status isnot compulsory in any argument! Holy shit I've been had :)
@sarkeizen.I actually win you bastard its not 50/50 .you strung me all along!
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 11:01:01 AM
But my argument
Are you saying that in your two statements marked I) and II) you PROVIDED an argument or not? :)
Now this will be fun because I can get you so tied up that you won't be able to admit you even provided an argument at which point I win :)
Sarkeizen:'Are you saying that in your two statements marked I) and II) you PROVIDED an argument or not? :)'
Affirmative
Sarkeizen:'Sarkeizen:'Are you saying that in your two statements marked I) and II) you PROVIDED an argument or not? :)'
Aye.I did so do
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 11:32:41 AM
Sarkeizen:'Sarkeizen:'Are you saying that in your two statements marked I) and II) you PROVIDED an argument or not? :)'
Aye.I did so do
Do you understand that you were PROVIDING an argument so that your claim that it is true can be evaluated? :)
(Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun)
Sarkeizen:'Do you understand that you were PROVIDING an argument so that your claim that it is true can be evaluated? :)'
Do you understand that its an argument not a request for opinion? Silly boy.
'(Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun)'
I'm just beginning to warm up now
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 12:23:43 PM
Sarkeizen:'Do you understand that you were PROVIDING an argument so that your claim that it is true can be evaluated? :)'
Do you understand that its an argument not a request for opinion?
Do you understand that the ARGUMENT YOU PROVIDED was to support a claim of yours? :)
Too easy. :)
Do you understand that the CLAIM I PROVIDED was an ARGUMENT?
Too easy.:) putty
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
Do you understand that the CLAIM I PROVIDED was an ARGUMENT?
Claims are not arguments. Try again. :)
That was the easiest yet. :)
Sarkeizen:'Claims are not arguments. Try again. :)'
MY claim IS an argument...
Simple...
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 12:37:42 PM
MY claim IS an argument...
Nope. A claim is stating what you consider to be true. An argument (for said claim) is providing reasons why your claim is true.
LOL now I have you so you can't differentiate between those two. Awesome. :)
Sarkeizen:'A claim is stating what you consider to be true.'
Bullshit.a claim is sometimes arguing what you consider to be true,especially if it happens in the middle of an argument.
now I have you so you can't differentiate between those two. Awesome. :)
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 12:53:59 PM
Sarkeizen:'A claim is stating what you consider to be true.'
Bullshit.a claim is sometimes arguing what you consider to be true
Nope. However it's easy to kill you now. Since you don't agree to the standard use of these English terms. I'll just introduce new ones. :) Ok?
Protip: Don't try and argue semantics. Way. Too. Easy. :)
Sarkeizen:' Don't try and argue semantics.'
Lol you do it all the time with your demands for assumption-status.part 1 is deduced from textbooks and part 2 is deduced from logic.whatever my clause IS it STILL stands unmolested dude
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 01:21:45 PM
Sarkeizen:' Don't try and argue semantics.'
Lol you do it all the time with your demands for assumption-status.
That's not what people mean by "arguing semantics". Sorry you lose again. :)
So since you disagree on the standard usage of English terms. We will introduce new ones. Ok? :)
Sarkeizen:'English terms.'
Hey your the one who doesn't believe in such a thing as an argumentative claim.ofcourse the fact that it goes against established physics doesn't make it de facto argumentative in the first place right? Lose the english rules mr sarkeizen and start tackling the science ARGUMENTS.my clause still stands high and mighty son until you or anyone else destroys it on ITS own terms
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 01:53:42 PM
Sarkeizen:'English terms.'
Hey your the one who doesn't believe in such a thing as an argumentative claim.
Yawn. More semantics. Easily defeated. :)
Since we can not agree on common usage. I'm going to introduce some new terminology ok?
Sarkeizen:'i'm going to introduce some new terminology ok?'
Drumrolllll..prrrrrrr..humour me,go for it :)
This topic is in urgent need of CPR.
Let's go further in our endeavor to comprehend the Ken's work, and try to emphasize the dielectricity in terms of well known word of electrostatics.
For beginning is welcome a short review of the ether fundamental modalities:
- electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization;
- magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge;
- dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q; - ''electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.
---#---
Now, because the dielectricity or electrostatics is according to the current science 100% related to the so called "'electron" let's find first what is about the 'electron in Ken's book:
- All 'electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force (as reified by the incorrect understanding of the definition of a 'field'), these pressure gradients, or "lines" are contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving motion to the terminus ''electron'.
- ''electrons' have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; the so-called ''electrons' are the rate at which electricity is destroyed.
- 'electron is only a shadow; its apparent-only physical mass is merely an electrical momentum (ejected by the dielectric inertia in disturbance).
- To describe an 'electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions." – W. Russell
- Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "'Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit. One corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not an 'electron, it is a constituent of what today is known incorrectly as an "'electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per 'electron). In this view, that taken by W. Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not 'electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether." – E. Dollard
- "'electrons" represent energy dissipation. However, the cult of quantum, and the ill informed fool all tell us that the ''electron' is a subatomic particle and charge carrier, and is that which conveys energy, this is complete irrational nonsense!
- There is no rest mass to an ''electron'. It is given here the ''electron' is no more than a broken loose "hold fast" under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. Obviously this reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein's Theory of Relativity." – E. Dollard
- Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the ''electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" - C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses)
- The idea of electricity as a flow of ''electrons' in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings
- 'electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve Biller
- Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "'electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the 'electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction.
- The so-called ''electrons' are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "'electrons", nor assuredly are there energy discharges in the vacuum of space involving ''electrons'; the ''electron' is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist.
- There are no 'electrons in or comprising an atom, as has been amply mentioned.
- There are however no 'electrons, this fundamental error carries on today.
- Since we know 'electrons are not particles, but a misunderstanding of magneto-dielectric fields in motion, we can examine atomic orbital geometry with perfect lucid clarity.
- It was found that the orbiting 'electrons around a nucleus could not be fully described as particles, but needed to be explained by the wave-particle duality. In this sense, the 'electrons have the following properties:
(What this really means is that enormous evidence against the 'electron-bead model of the atom forced another quantum "Alice in Wonderland" answer from the cult of quantum to explain atomic geometry, this time as "wave particle duality" absurdity.)
Wave-like properties:
1. The 'electrons do not orbit the nucleus in the sense of a planet orbiting the sun, but instead exist as standing waves. The lowest possible energy an 'electron can take is therefore analogous to the fundamental frequency of a wave on a string. Higher energy states are then similar to harmonics of the fundamental frequency.
(What this really means is that the so-called ''electron' is a magneto-dielectric field whose wave/undulatory mechanics are dependent upon the nucleal makeup)
2. The 'electrons are never in a single point location, although the probability of interacting with the 'electron at a single point can be found from the wave function of the 'electron.
(What this really means is there is no such thing as an 'electron outright, it has no point, no locus, therefore cannot be a particle, and yet the magnetic and dielectric interactions can be explained by wave functions.)
Particle-like properties:
1. There is always an integer number of 'electrons orbiting the nucleus.
(This is purely conjecture and speculation)
2. 'electrons jump between orbitals in a particle-like fashion. For example, if a single photon strikes the 'electrons, only a single 'electron changes states in response to the photon.
(This is purely conjecture and speculation, what this means is if another dielectric outside charge strikes the atom its charge state geometry changes in response to the change in charge, creating an imbalance in the inter-atomic magneto-dielectric volume)
3. The 'electrons retain particle like-properties such as: each wave state has the same electrical charge as the 'electron particle. Each wave state has a single discrete spin (spin up or spin down).
(This is nonsense, even under the heading of particles, they cannot escape the fact that the so-called 'electron has no particle-nature, no reality as such)
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According to all the above there is no 'electron at all, at least not as a duality wave-particle described by the current scientific model. Of course, the non-existence of 'electron was shared over time by many other conventional or unconventional scientists. Still has it a dual nature as pozitive and negative charges, or attraction and repulsion? Or all these are just our own wrong interpretation of more simplex (to paraphrase Ken) helical dynamics/vortex interactions? Then what is electrostatics/dielectricity in this case? It still remain unclear, but for sure it is not related to the non-existent 'electron or to the current static electricity concept.
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More details for ordinary people in the book called "Uncovering the missing Secret of Magnetism (https://www.scribd.com/doc/240223323/UNCOVERING-THE-MISSING-SECRETS-OF-MAGNETISM-3rd-Edition)", for studious skeptics in the scientific literature prior relativity, and for dogmatic skeptics there are no more details.
Minnie:'This topic is in urgent need of CPR.'
Sarkeizen is in need of urgent cpr.everyone jumped away from his steamroller then he jumped away from mine.he ran away.my 2-part clause stands tall and un-molested by any single homo sapien :)
Sadang:'electrostatics'
Is the key to the... 'ether' indeed.
Quote from: profitis on March 30, 2015, 01:21:45 PM
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Im still in the bahamas, .......
otherwise id be busy pissing on the skulls of these mental midgets trying to front this Atomistic BS that Mother Nature is an insane CRACK WH0RE with a bag of BB's ;D ;D ;D
back in a few weeks.
Off to Key West (again)
Quote from: profitis on March 31, 2015, 03:02:09 PM
Sadang:'electrostatics'
Is the key to the... 'ether' indeed.
Are you talking about electrostatic like in Oleg Jefimenko electrostatic motors or an electrostatic generator??. For what I read ,Tesla used both AC and DC in his magnifier transmitter. Now if we are talking about taking a electrostatic charge or pressure and moving it in a way that interacts with the ether and brings the dielectric charge into play then I may understand you better.
Eric Dollard interview:
T: What exactly is the dielectric side of electricity? E: The side of electricity that represents the faster than light phenomenon. T: How does the dielectric relate to Reich's orgone energy? E: Reich found that the orgone and the dielectric field are basically one and the same. If a dielectric field has the proper pulsations then you could almost call it the orgone energy. An example of this is the orgone accumulator, which is alternating layers of dielectric and reflecting material, like a capacitor.
So the high voltage terminal of a properly built Tesla transmitter puts out a dielectric field? E: Right - a dielectric current - a current of many amperes flowing through free space without any electrons. This is a true electrical current.
So , if we want to get a dielectric current or field we need pulses. And this pulses needs to be like the one's Ed Gray was producing in his motor. Just and idea.
Quote from: Raz on March 27, 2015, 06:34:20 AM
So how will you visually represent this dielectricity?? As a corpuscle like Russell said? As tubes of force? As an elemental plane between the magnetic vortex polarities? Lets say I strain the ether, by cutting lines of magnetic force with a conductor---where do the dielectricity aligns itself regarding the conductor and in which plane? and how it "flows" or "stays" in the conductor ?
Dielectricity is the fundamental field modality
they are centripetal Ether perturbations.
All centripetal counterspatial acceleration (NOT MOTION!) , including the BS dumb hairy 2-legged APES (humans) call "gravity" is DIELECTRIC counter-force (= inertia).
there are no 'conductors', only dielectric reflectors.
see this article, please , its VERY SHORT, suggest reading same.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjournal.borderlandsciences.org%2F1987%2Fthe-fallacy-of-conductors%2F&ei=fksbVePfOMyYNuyqhJgP&usg=AFQjCNGNIu4Oouu80iP_0GpQ0abaeIlKyg&sig2=j2tBihYObalMmFZ3LMpzKg
winks ;)
Quote from: Raz on March 26, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
What Lyne is trying to say
Lyne is missing MORE than a few screws from his brain-pan. ;D
hes generally correct, and his intent is NOBLE however.
Quote from: Raz on March 31, 2015, 09:33:57 PM
Are you talking about electrostatic like in Oleg Jefimenko electrostatic motors or an electrostatic generator??. For what I read ,Tesla used both AC and DC in his magnifier transmitter. Now if we are talking about taking a electrostatic charge or pressure and moving it in a way that interacts with the ether and brings the dielectric charge into play then I may understand you better.
Eric Dollard interview:
T: What exactly is the dielectric side of electricity? E: The side of electricity that represents the faster than light phenomenon. T: How does the dielectric relate to Reich's orgone energy? E: Reich found that the orgone and the dielectric field are basically one and the same. If a dielectric field has the proper pulsations then you could almost call it the orgone energy. An example of this is the orgone accumulator, which is alternating layers of dielectric and reflecting material, like a capacitor.
So the high voltage terminal of a properly built Tesla transmitter puts out a dielectric field? E: Right - a dielectric current - a current of many amperes flowing through free space without any electrons. This is a true electrical current.
So , if we want to get a dielectric current or field we need pulses. And this pulses needs to be like the one's Ed Gray was producing in his motor. Just and idea.
Dollard is a total inebriated idiot! You quote him so that tells us about your scientific search for truth, or lack thereof. Check out his story and then get back to us once you see what it really is. He took a lot of money and yet produced nothing....admitted he could not.
There you go.
Bill
Quote from: sadang on March 27, 2015, 08:28:04 AM
The cardinal error of science lies in shutting the Creator out of His Creation. Russell talk about modalities of ether not about particles. Tubes of force? Not really! They can be counted as a specific ether dynamics, a fundamental one, but not as dielectricity itself. Dielectricity is expressed somehow by Ken as "ether under stress or strain". I think the deep and right answer is in the book Occult Chemistry. My own view is somehow similar to what is learned now about electrostatics. Generally speaking, but do not want to get into details. That should be everyone's homework.
Now, according to my point of view the dielectricity is closer to this view "As an elemental plane between the magnetic vortex polarities" And only if we talk about polarities as a human way of saying (based on human model of thinking) not as an intrinsic reality of their nature. There is not any polarities, others than those defined by human minds. They are rather complementarities, the same as in the above image. They are simply reciprocating necessary dynamics so the ether can manifest and shape this world from micro to macro levels.
To the last question I choose to not answer, because I'm not sure about anything yet. I'm still on the road but far behind understandings of Keely, Tesla, Reich, Russell and other giants of ether science. Perhaps Ken will have a point of view here.
Anyway what you asked now sent my thoughts to the Paul Baumann experiment. However, I'll lean deep and longer on this question! Thanks for asking.
Dielectricity is what the ancient greeks called the AORISTOS DYAS
also called TOLMA (in relation to the Ether).
another name for dielectricity is ANANKE Dielectricity is , in short, the Demiurge.
the necessitated attribute of pure unmanifest inertia ( IE , the ETHER ITSELF IN ITSELF BY ITSELF).
as a (CRUDE) analogy, dielectricity is to the ETHER what ILLUMINATION is to Light (the Ether itself).
There is NOTHING IN THIS COSMOS, KNOWN, UNKNOWN, SEEN, UNSEEN, SMALL, LARGE ETC ETC ETC
nothing anywhere in any form, PERIOD, that does not "have" at least one attribute.
The attribute of the Ether is dielectricity, the fundamental field modality
why say therefore then "modality"???? Why speak of (can you???) ILLUMINATION as "something (else) other than" light itself.
"as it is, as it does, inseparable, ONE THING ONLY, distinguished AS IT IS , as it "does" ....".
Just as, in IRREDUCABLE metaphysics (ala PURE GREEK LOGIC) , there is no such BS as a point.
likewise NO SUCH BS as a LINE.
point and line are both one inseparable whole, indivisible, only differentiated as one DENOTES attribute from Principle, or Principle from attribute.
divinely SIMPLEX but not simple for hairy 2-legged APES (humans) to grasp.
maybe in another 1000 years , "many" humans MIGHT grasp such simplex irreducible Field Mechanics and the logic of same.
Quote from: Raz on March 31, 2015, 09:33:57 PM
T: What exactly is the dielectric side of electricity?
electricity has transverse phenomena, EM as a induction max relational to its spatial manifestation/ perturbations.
ie speed of EM / light.
Electricity is Phi x Psi = Q in Planck's , electrification.
Electricity terminates AS magnetism , not INTO magnetism, by losing its dielectric component as necessitated;
electricity is the product of Phi (magnetism) and Psi (dielectricity), is definitionally a hybrid Ether modality of the product of Phi and Psi.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 31, 2015, 10:05:13 PM
electricity has transverse phenomena, EM as a induction max relational to its spatial manifestation/ perturbations.
ie speed of EM / light.
Electricity is Phi x Psi = Q in Planck's , electrification.
Electricity terminates AS magnetism , not INTO magnetism, by losing its dielectric component as necessitated;
electricity is the product of Phi (magnetism) and Psi (dielectricity), is definitionally a hybrid Ether modality of the product of Phi and Psi.
So electricity can be compared to a flame of fire. Fire being composed of the fuel,oxygen and the temperature necessary to start the reaction. Can we think about electricity as a "compound" of ether modalities?
So if we take this " flame" or spark of electricity and somehow get rid of the magnetic part,.. can we get pure dielectricity?
At this moment Im 6 years old,... so explain accordingly,.. remember....bees and birds. ;D
Raz:'Are you talking about electrostatic like in Oleg Jefimenko electrostatic motors or an electrostatic generator??. For what I read ,Tesla used both AC and DC in his magnifier transmitter. Now if we are talking about taking a electrostatic charge or pressure and moving it in a way that interacts with the ether and brings the dielectric charge into play then I may understand you better.'
I'm talking about entropy/chaos thermodynamics here.electrostatics is beyond the reach of TEMPERATURE entropy 'laws,rules,and regulations' for example a uranium atom is still radio-active at O kelvin.the electrons,protons,neutrons of matter STILL wobble at O k.still interact in a very precise and orderly way.electrostaticssystems below 0 kelvin still possess information states,still possess energy
Here's exerpt about it from a internet convo that I found: ''Actually, more complicated than that even. Even if a atom were 'perfectly' still, there is still information/entropy encoded in its nuclear quantum states, the quarks that make up the nucleons, the electrons, etc.
Entropy is directly related to information, since each quantum number / states represents information, a perfectly at rest atom still has a non-zero entropy.
The entropy of its 'gross' physical thermodynamic properties, such as bond flexing, wiggling, may be 'zero', but the overall entropy is always non-zero as it depends on the state of all quantum values that make it.
So at Absolute zero, the only kind of entropy that may be roughly zero is that dependent on thermodynamic principles.''
Raz:'Raz:'Are you talking about electrostatic like in Oleg Jefimenko electrostatic motors or an electrostatic generator??. For what I read ,Tesla used both AC and DC in his magnifier transmitter. Now if we are talking about taking a electrostatic charge or pressure and moving it in a way that interacts with the ether and brings the dielectric charge into play then I may understand you better.'
Let me put it another easier way: since electrostatics rules and regulations are different to temperature rules and regulations the rules and regulations of the quantum world and the rules and regulations of the non-quantum world can be juxtaposed and made to work against each other or for each other,depends on design.one can manipulate the non-quantum with the quantum using a different set of rules than the non-quantum.and vise versa.
Apophasis:'Im still in the bahamas, .......
Hey send a pic of those pieces-of-ass on those beaches :)
Quote... the necessitated attribute of pure unmanifest inertia ( IE , the ETHER ITSELF IN ITSELF BY ITSELF).
as a (CRUDE) analogy, dielectricity is to the ETHER what ILLUMINATION is to Light (the Ether itself).
Yes indeed, you are right! Just I comprehend here an another crucial aspect! In this analogy both elements used in a comparative way are meaningless words or mental concepts, without the existence of the observer. The Dielectricity is to Ether as what is Illumination to Light only because "I, that I am" or "I that, I am" very aware of their existence, of these another aoristos dyas. The observer is the one who express the necessitativeness of this attribute (ananke - which is not a definite term, at least in my point of view) and its manifestation. He's the one who disturb the pure unmanifested inertia. The same reasoning and meaning could be expressed for the dot-line diad as an inseparable whole. Then who's the observer?
Now going back to the last century dielectricity, known today as electrostatics and defined as a propriety of matter (i.e. ~10^-12 size of nucleus from the entire volume of a Democritus atom - another wrong concept) to attract or repel other matter, phenomena based on something called electrical charge which manifest as a duality, attraction-repulsion (another wrong concept), and generally identified with a small particle called electron (another wrong concept), which is when particle, when wave, and based on which was further developed the nowadays well known electrical current as a flow of electrons trough wires (of course a totally wrong concept but which continue to shape the reality according to is assigned meaning), now, I wonder rhetorically how can it be used other ways than it actually is? Because if Ether has no intrinsic proprieties, the dielectricity must have for sure!
QuoteNow going back to the last century dielectricity, known today as electrostatics and defined as a propriety of matter (i.e. ~10^-12 size of nucleus from the entire volume of a Democritus atom - another wrong concept) to attract or repel other matter, phenomena based on something called electrical charge which manifest as a duality, attraction-repulsion (another wrong concept), and generally identified with a small particle called electron (another wrong concept), which is when particle, when wave, and based on which was further developed the nowadays well known electrical current as a flow of electrons trough wires (of course a totally wrong concept but which continue to shape the reality according to is assigned meaning), now, I wonder rhetorically how can it be used other ways than it actually is? Because if Ether has no intrinsic proprieties, the dielectricity must have for sure!
Sadang: Can you give me an exact reference of dielectricity being know today as electrostatics. I was reading JJ Thompson and Farady and cant find anything like that. If you have a clear book reference please let me know or PM it to me. Now when you wonder how to be used in other ways than it actually is -- what are you exactly referring to? The ether have "modalities" according to Ken's video # 18. I think what you are asking is how can you relate what we know of "conventional " electric theory to ether theory. I am having the same question as to how to understand the dielectric in a practical way that I can assign to it a way of doing a very simple circuit. Maybe I need to go further down the videos and book , but his video # 18 showed me something I was wondering about the dielectric plane on the magnet graphic he shows. In the most baisc circuit, a battery , a switch and a light bulb, how can I apply all this dielectric theory to see it working ??? I guess we both have to read much more.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 31, 2015, 10:05:13 PM
electricity has transverse phenomena, EM as a induction max relational to its spatial manifestation/ perturbations.
ie speed of EM / light.
Electricity is Phi x Psi = Q in Planck's , electrification.
Electricity terminates AS magnetism , not INTO magnetism, by losing its dielectric component as necessitated;
electricity is the product of Phi (magnetism) and Psi (dielectricity), is definitionally a hybrid Ether modality of the product of Phi and Psi.
Ken: In your video # 18,.. how will the graphic be if instead of AC in 2 transmission lines next to each other it would be a DC current (and both flowing in the same direction?) how will the graphic change if the magnetic field is not once against the other ? (which I think is because we are using AC? Is the ether dividing itself while it travels thru the transmission line(in 2 modalities-dielectricity and magnetism), and the dielectric "travels" thru the inside of the line while the magnetic "travels" by the outside? Could it be seen like that ? Is that what you mean that the dielectriciy terminates as magnetism by losing its dielectric component?? ( the dielectric component having to stay in just one plane inside a coil magnet ,leaving the rest just as magnetic vortices that try to go back to equilibrium by joining the dielectric plane ????
If all waves and matter are just forces pressing upon themselves in oscillation one might ask: where did these forces come from?these 'perturbuations'.what actually is manifesting from nothing? Freaky shit guys this thread is beginning to scare me
Here's a thought that's equaly freaky: we ourselves are composed of these wobbly forces.we're just a bundle of forces! Holy shit
QuoteSadang: Can you give me an exact reference of dielectricity being know today as electrostatics.
Hmmm! I don't want to repeat what I already said, so I'll just make a reference to a previous message:
QuoteI think the deep and right answer is in the book Occult Chemistry. My own view is somehow similar to what is learned now about electrostatics. Generally speaking, but do not want to get into details. That should be everyone's homework.
But please pay attention to the fact that my question was a rhetorical one, and do not necessarily require an answer!
QuoteI think what you are asking is how can you relate what we know of "conventional " electric theory to ether theory.
In a way yes. But in other way, I think is a madness to try to shape the ether according to any current theory. Is the same with trying to comprehend a cylinder analyzing only its circular or rectangular projection on a wall, that is, only analyzing its shadows, the circle or the rectangle. Rather exactly the opposite! The actual "conventional electric theory" is a product of ether and not viceversa, so we have to pay attention to the cylinder instead of its shadows. And if you really want to understand deep, will have to go further and to put in the knowledge equation the luminary, without which nothing exists, neither cylinder nor his shadows.
Raz, you can't understand the ether modalities only reading Faraday, Maxwell, Ampere, Thomson and others well known founders of the current scientific model. You have to understand that the current way is just a way from infinite other possible ways to shape the reality!
Or other way said, the nowadays electrostatics is the last or the lowest frontier that can be touched or mechanically (only in appearance) engineered by humans. Bellow this level, all phenomena become in a high degree observer dependent.
And finally you guess right, we both have to read much more.
Sadang : Thanks for your reply. I am not trying to " model " ether in any specific way , just trying to understand this new magnetic theory or may I say electromagnetic ether theory. I know that you see a lot of it in a way more than just material, and I agree with that. But even if we dont have to use the conventional " labels" , we do have to make a model to understand it , even if we have to say " polarities" while defining that a definitive polarity dont exist. But... if we want to make an experiment or machine , we have to accept convention , at least while we can develop a whole new way to utilize what we learn. Tesla knew how to use the ether , but he also knew all the other theories around him at that time, including relativity. Only by studying them could he deny them. I dont think it is counterproductive to learn all the different theories. If you want to fix a radio or computer, you can use the conventional electronics theory, because that is what they used to design it. Now if you want to make an od generator, to build a magnifying transmitter , or an orgone receiver,then you use the theory that will fit what you want to do. How can we modify or use gravity? When conventional science dont have a clue of what gravity is?? They know what it does ,but they dont know how to handle it. So basically , we do need to understand Ken's theory , but also all the other theories until we learn one that will unify all the others or that will replace them. Meanwhile I have to deal with what is available. If electricity and electronic theory is going to change completely or there are other rules, we need to learn them. And we need to learn how to design and build with them. This is no small task.The thing here is to use the necessary "tool" for the job to be done and not believe that because you always use a wrench, that 's all there is. While there is more discovery and transition we need to keep all our options open and try to do things in other way. That is the only way of growing exponentially. Have good day.
QuoteSadang : Thanks for your reply. I am not trying to " model " ether in any specific way , just trying to understand this new magnetic theory or may I say electromagnetic ether theory
That's ok! It's your right! It was not my intent to upset you or to live with the feeling that I'm trying to impose something, or I know better than you. Far from me this thought! I only express my own opinions and should be treated as such. That's all I want to say: pay great attention to premises!
Raz:'task.The thing here is to use the necessary "tool" for the job to be done'
Bingo.a new revolutionary theory has to be packaged correctly for advertising otherwise people cannot grasp anything.sadang is using too many emotional contexts to be able to grasp by most people.apophasis must use the 'all matter and waves are the same thing and do not cross lines with kinetic energy' vibe for his theory fulcrum as most people can pretty much grasp this simple concept.
Quote from: sadang on April 03, 2015, 07:28:26 AM
That's ok! It's your right! It was not my intent to upset you or to live with the feeling that I'm trying to impose something, or I know better than you. Far from me this thought! I only express my own opinions and should be treated as such. That's all I want to say: pay great attention to premises!
Oh no,.. I never took it that way. I do share some of your point of view. I know what you are talking about. I know you are not imposing. We are all just sharing opinions and beliefs, in a way. I do understand what you said before and its sounds a lot like Russell in some points , which is a good view to take into consideration. Let's say we are all made of light. Light as we define it by our present understanding of visible light wont cover what is necessary . Let's say this light is made from ether at a frequency so high that we could not only not perceive it , but it would not interact with us readily. Now ,as Russell say , this light as it goes lowering frequencies gets "crystallized" as matter and such. Still , it is all light, and we only see material things as an illusion. Let's compare it to a tv, in which we have created a 3d world inside it , and let's give that 3d world a conscience. To the inhabitants of that world ,they are real , they see themselves as a 3 dimensional world with the rules of their creation, but to us,.. we keep seeing them thru a 2 dimensional flat window ,that we created and made come alive with light. In our case, we are 3 dimensional beings coming from a counterspace or single point, which will make us living " holograms " . And somehow if we were made aware of this and believe it , our outcome of our whole physical world may change according to what we believe and the influence of our believes in our material world. So basically , "conscience" rules over physical reality, and it goes changing along with our conscience grow. I think maybe your idea comes along lines like that. But right now, for the present consciousness ,we need to use what we have readily available. Russell invented a free energy device using our present technology and that is what I am talking about. We may get someday to what would be a glorified body, along with a glorified mind and consciousness, but right now what we need is a way to produce cheap energy in a way that goes according to nature and to stop destroying this planet. We need to reforest the whole planet and using clean technologies. And none of this is happening until we find a cheap way to reproduce such a device and make it reachable for everyone. That is the first step. When there is no more excuse to do wars and destroy nature , the present political system wont have more excuses to continue lying to people and they will forceably will have to change their direction towards more common goals. And to do this we have to understand it, it a simple way, like a 6 year old. Thank you for your insight and lets keep moving toward a common goal.
I can visualize the dielectric a little better. Also , I can see in Ken's experiments and explanations this magnetic vortices at the ends of permanent magnets. Now one of my questions arising regarding that would be, what can we do with these vortices or how can interact with them ?? What is the force of this vortices magnetic field?? Can it be measured in teslas somehow? I dont think they are of a very high order since if they were we could get some energy from them by putting fixed "conductors" in these magnetic vortices. Any input on this?
QuoteHere's a thought that's equaly freaky: we ourselves are composed of these wobbly forces.we're just a bundle of forces! Holy shit
You want to get further freaked out. You don't control your brain, your brain controls you. There is always a constant battle between you and your brain. Most likely, your brain will win which it's your "worse enemy" regarding evolution!
The brain only cares about evolution and does not care about social attachments. All that "love" stuff does not matter to the brain. If you have a broken leg, you are food for the predator. lol
There are millions of years advance energies in the future that want to help you today. These energies are either called UFOs or ALIENs or GOD...all of your thoughts are not private, they can be heard by advance "beings"....if you think negative things that go against the EVOLUTION of life, you will hear from that energy. And that negative energy will make your life miserable = that type of thinking is not beneficial for EVOLUTION of life.
By now you should understand that your brain is only a goop of micro atoms. You are NOT the creator of the micro body but the micros are the rulers of your body and creators. lol. The aliens are from the microbial world, who cares about the outer space aliens!
Who created you and for what purpose?
Simple question that you cannot understand?
Maybe we are ANTS in a world where we are microbial in the universe? Think about it, maybe we are living inside a huge animal flesh but yet we feel like we are living in space? lol
Only the poor (created by corruption) just want free energy. The ritch have "free" energy and just want to keep on being rich!
Why do we have to pay for education?
Imagine nikola tesla not being BLATANTLY stopped, how ahead our present world would be? = many INTELLIGENT people have been held back due to money corruption! The guy that wants world free energy will always get killed = the death of milking donkeys of their money!
Is not like electricity cannot be given out for free!
Is not like the people cannot pitch in to make their own electric damn to provide FREE electricity to their city/town!
meh! mind blown! and broken FREE from ignorance!
Now I'm going to watch a Hollywood movie so I can feel sane again....and understand the present sanity!
Joel:'who created you and for what purpose?'
Who says the entity needs a purpose? Existence just there for one reason bro,to exist in and for itself.I've got no problem with this.but you have to admit it is freaky
Joel:' You don't control
your brain, your brain controls you. '
Now the question remains: what is YOU
Quote from: sadang on April 02, 2015, 03:27:24 AM
Because if Ether has no intrinsic proprieties
it has a property, that property was defined as the aoristos dyas.
Property and Principle are both the same thing , 1
same reason first two digits of the Golden ratio are 1 and 1
(1 1 2 3 5 8........)
whats the property of inertia, .......well, its inertia. ;D
Quote from: Raz on April 03, 2015, 06:12:25 AM
even if we have to say " polarities"
nobody even understands what this term POLARITY means, really.
it means just space, the inverse of counterspace (=inertia)
it means magnetism.
a Magnet ULTIMATELY does not have "poles", it has the INVERSE of counterspace, which = SPACE
which has magnitudinal vectors, BEGINNING WITH 2 , the inverse of 1 and 1 (inertia and its property).
(again, the golden ratio is 1 , 1, 2, 3, 5.........)
1, 1 (= INERTIA)
2 ( = Polarity, manifestation, = CIRCLE)
all polarity is followed immediately by magnitude = space.
Space = NOTHING, pure absence of inertia.
Space in EVERY way has always = 4
4 does NOT EXIST in the golden ratio, the fibonacci sequence
1 1 2 3 5 8.......
wheres 4? Isnt there.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 04, 2015, 10:07:53 PM
a Magnet ULTIMATELY does not have "poles", it has the INVERSE of counterspace, which = SPACE
Man, you should work for the US State Department. No one can make up gobbledegook better than you. I take my hat off to you.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 04, 2015, 10:25:07 PM
a Magnet ULTIMATELY does not have "poles", it has the INVERSE of counterspace, which = SPACE
<<TA
Man, you should work for the US State Department. No one can make up gobbledegook better than you. I take my hat off to you.
Bill
Heres what a fucking goddamn idiot you are son.
1. you have NO goddamn clue what projective geometry IS
2. Poincare' spoke and wrote MUCH about same, likewise Rudolf Steiner.
3. You just flapped your goddamn lips but said NOTHING of value, NOT ONE DAMN THING.
4. "gobbledegook", such as the FACT that all geometry is a PAST TENSE EFFECT
5. "gobbledegook", such as the FACT that all geometry NECESSITATES the Projective Geometry (in this case INERTIA) CAUSATION.
6. TELL ME , FUCKING IDIOT, ...........if you cut a magnet 10000000000000000 times, top to bottom, in slices too thin to even see, .........how is it that every 'slice' has a N "pole" and a S "pole" ????
........it doesnt MORON, a magnet is DENOTATIVELY a reciprocating precessional hyperboloid (copyright 11-2014 Ken W) ..............
tell me moron, how each of those "slices" automatically self-centers its inertial plane between EITHER "pole" ?
You have ZERO GODDAMN FUCKING CLUE what projective geometry is.
NONE, Even Euclid spoke of the the "indivisible POINT from which all geometry proceeds"
Geometry is EFFECT, asshole,.......... ie POLARITY
Projective geometry (ie Ether, ie INERTIA) , asshole, is the indivisble 'point' and CAUSE of all EFFECT.
Youre brain dead ;D ;D ;D ;D
You son, are a goddamn mental midget, pure and simple.
Why dont you learn what this ultra-simple diagram below MEANS, idiot CHILD.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 05, 2015, 12:18:47 AM
Heres what a fucking goddamn idiot you are son.
1. you have NO goddamn clue what projective geometry IS
2. Poincare' spoke and wrote MUCH about same, likewise Rudolf Steiner.
3. You just flapped your goddamn lips but said NOTHING of value, NOT ONE DAMN THING.
4. "gobbledegook", such as the FACT that all geometry is a PAST TENSE EFFECT
5. "gobbledegook", such as the FACT that all geometry NECESSITATES the Projective Geometry (in this case INERTIA) CAUSATION.
6. TELL ME , FUCKING IDIOT, ...........if you cut a magnet 10000000000000000 times, top to bottom, in slices too thin to even see, .........how is it that every 'slice' has a N "pole" and a S "pole" ??? ?
........it doesnt MORON, a magnet is DENOTATIVELY a reciprocating precessional hyperboloid (copyright 11-2014 Ken W) ..............
tell me moron, how each of those "slices" automatically self-centers its inertial plane between EITHER "pole" ?
You have ZERO GODDAMN FUCKING CLUE what projective geometry is.
NONE, Even Euclid spoke of the the "indivisible POINT from which all geometry proceeds"
Geometry is EFFECT, asshole,.......... ie POLARITY
Projective geometry (ie Ether, ie INERTIA) , asshole, is the indivisble 'point' and CAUSE of all EFFECT.
Youre brain dead ;D ;D ;D ;D
You son, are a goddamn mental midget, pure and simple.
Why dont you learn what this ultra-simple diagram below MEANS, idiot CHILD.
Well, alrighty then.
At least I do know how to resize photos before posting them so it does not ruin the page width on this site.
Maybe one day, if you really try to learn how to do this, you too will be able to do so.
Bill
Bill, you can see that Kenny is incapable of learning, because he _already knows_ everything. His poor insecure ego cannot admit his errors or that he lacks knowledge in any particular area. Just look at the claim on the earlier page about "4". We covered this long ago: ANY Fibonacci sequence generates the Golden Ratio, and a FS can be generated with ANY two starting numbers.
4,4,8,12,20,32,..... carry it out as far as you like and take the ratio of the last two numbers and you'll get the Golden Ratio, and the farther you take it out the more precise your approximation will be. JUST LIKE the FS generated starting with 1,1, ....
The poor fellow doesn't even know how to derive the ratio, and remember the last time this came up, where he posted a graphic stating that some integer ratios were _equal_... when they weren't even close? He's a mathematical novice and probably hasn't even had any calculus in school.
But there isn't any point in arguing with his gobbledegook, because as you see, he will just fall back into his standard form of argument: he stomps his feet, spews pottymouth insults that would sound silly coming from an eight-year-old, and spews more gobbledegook that is even self-contradictory.
The guy is so insecure that he doesn't even see that his nonsense is full of logical flaws, inconsistencies and classic fallacies. Take a look at the WIKI article on logical fallacies and compare it to Kenny's posts: you'll see textbook example after example of those fallacies in his rantings and silly claims.
Now watch him respond with more sillyness and playground insults. It would be funny, if it weren't so pathetic.
Apophasis:' ...........if you cut a magnet 10000000000000000 times, top to bottom, in slices too thin to even see, .........how is it that every 'slice' has a N "pole" and a S "pole" ??? ?'
The clue to this is lying in what's happening in a single iron atom am I correct
By now we can understand that pirate is over 60 yrs old working two jobs trying to make it in the world. So there is no way in hell he can be more intelligent than the others. lol, when I see him going against others, I just see him as a JB weld boy! = a poor person! = no intelligence what so ever but just trying to justify his existence here....what will one learn after his death, The JB weld boy! lol
Quoteit has a property, that property was defined as the aoristos dyas.
Property and Principle are both the same thing , 1
100% agree with your statement in this context. In my opinion is a context already established by humans, on an external point of view about ether modalities. It is a wrong interpreted context (according to my understandings) shaped by humans in their desire for separation, individuation, and expression.
But I can't afford to notice the following words "that property was defined", which for me at least means we talk about an atribute, an added property, value, quality given by human mind, not about an intrinsic property of ether. And yes, only in this context I can agree 100% with the fact that Property and Principle are both the same thing, 1, or aoristos dyas. Is my point of view a kind of madness, or has something crude in it?
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QuoteI dont think they are of a very high order since if they were we could get some energy from them by putting fixed "conductors" in these magnetic vortices. Any input on this?
I think the answer to all these reside in understanding of why Tesla had to rotate the magnetic field to get an induced voltage (or etheric pressure), or to the Faraday paradox when he got the same voltage (or etheric pressure) without a relative motion between magnet and disc, or to Marinov electrostatic charged disc experiment when he still get a magnetic field without any relative motion between the disc and the Hall sensor, or to the displacement current of Maxwell which don't create a magnetic field between the plates of a condenser, or to Casimir effect in which the attracting force (is sure an attracting an not a pushing force?) increases with decreasing distance between the plates, and to many others that I don't remember right now. And my opinion is this understanding have to come in a non-existent space or an all pervading ether paradigm, as that of Ken, and in which the ether can not be ever directly (touched) handled by matter (a balance of ether pressure gradients).
---#---
I see here are some who claim the FS can be achieved starting with any two starting numbers. What if we start with 0,0? Because 0 is also a number, isn't it? Or we always have to start with 0 and 1, at least? Why? What really represent 0 and 1? Can we see beyond the concept of numbers to their deep meaning? Or we are pleased to just use them as math abstract entities? Which in their turn shape our way of thinking accordingly!
Quote from: joel321 on April 05, 2015, 06:00:42 AM
By now we can understand that pirate is over 60 yrs old working two jobs trying to make it in the world. So there is no way in hell he can be more intelligent than the others. lol, when I see him going against others, I just see him as a JB weld boy! = a poor person! = no intelligence what so ever but just trying to justify his existence here....what will one learn after his death, The JB weld boy! lol
Joel baby,
All that you do is demean and degrade yourself and make yourself look like a complete idiot when you make a posting like that. Disgusting, ridiculous, embarrassing behaviour that would make you ashamed to show your face in real life. Just like Kenny.
Dedicated to this idiot thread:
Idiot wind blowing every time your move your mouth
Blowing down the backroads heading south
Idiot wind blowing every time you move your teeth
You're an idiot babe
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe
- Bob Dylan
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Cylinder_-_hyperboloid_-_cone.gif
joel321-you really have reached a nadir.
Raz-a really good wikimedia
Quote from: joel321 on April 05, 2015, 06:00:42 AM
By now we can understand that pirate is over 60 yrs old ...
Who is this "
we"?
Anyone can check my age on my profile and can see that it is NOT over 60.
Well, almost anyone. It is obvious that you have not checked my profile prior to making your inane post.
Is that because you don't know how to navigate to a member's profile?
Just like you don't know how to mix 2 equal parts of epoxy together and therefore, since it did not work for you, you have concluded that epoxy does not work for any one.
Come on Joel, get with the program here.
These are not hard things to do really. It just takes a little effort on your part.
Bill
Apophasis:'a magnet is DENOTATIVELY a reciprocating precessional hyperboloid'
If it is it must be happening extremely fast.extreeeemely fast.
Quote
I think the answer to all these reside in understanding of why Tesla had to rotate the magnetic field to get an induced voltage (or etheric pressure), or to the Faraday paradox when he got the same voltage (or etheric pressure) without a relative motion between magnet and disc, or to Marinov electrostatic charged disc experiment when he still get a magnetic field without any relative motion between the disc and the Hall sensor, or to the displacement current of Maxwell which don't create a magnetic field between the plates of a condenser, or to Casimir effect in which the attracting force (is sure an attracting an not a pushing force?) increases with decreasing distance between the plates, and to many others that I don't remember right now. And my opinion is this understanding have to come in a non-existent space or an all pervading ether paradigm, as that of Ken, and in which the ether can not be ever directly (touched) handled by matter (a balance of ether pressure gradients).
---#---
I see here are some who claim the FS can be achieved starting with any two starting numbers. What if we start with 0,0? Because 0 is also a number, isn't it? Or we always have to start with 0 and 1, at least? Why? What really represent 0 and 1? Can we see beyond the concept of numbers to their deep meaning? Or we are pleased to just use them as math abstract entities? Which in their turn shape our way of thinking accordingly!
Ok,.. and what would be the understanding or rule that we could use to apply to all those examples at the same time? Since they are all different examples. Could it have to do with the magnetic force of the different materials used in each one? I dont think that the force of each of those magnets were the same. That is why I asked if there is some way to measure the magnetic flux of those individual magnetic vortices. I am not putting their existence in doubt since Ken's example is not the only one that describes something is rotating in a magnetic field. I just want to understand what type of magnetic field is at the "poles" of the magnet. If it is rotating at a high speed and there is no way to measure its force , it may be something completely different from magnetism altogether. It may be another modality of ether.
https://ia902701.us.archive.org/14/items/MagneticCurrent-Illustrated/Magnetic-Current_Edward-Leedskalnin_51pp.pdf
Edward Leedskalnin found very interesting observations on what he termed "magnetic currents" ,even as he was not a scientist in any way. It is very interesting how he explains it in his own words.
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Now I will tell you what magnetic current is
Magnetic current is the same as electric current. Current is a wrong expression.
Really it is not one current,they are 2 currents, one current is composed of north pole individual magnets in concentrated streams and the other is composed of south pole individual magnets in concentrated streams, and they are running one stream against the other stream in whirling ,screwlike fashion, and with high speed.
One current alone if it be north pole magnet current or south pole magnet current it cannot run alone.
To run one current will have to run against the other.
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Quote from: profitis on April 05, 2015, 03:44:28 AM
Apophasis:' ...........if you cut a magnet 10000000000000000 times, top to bottom, in slices too thin to even see, .........how is it that every 'slice' has a N "pole" and a S "pole" ??? ?'
The clue to this is lying in what's happening in a single iron atom am I correct
The only thing that CONNOTES the definition of a "(bar etc) Magnet" is COHERENCY of polarization AFTER its been 'magnetized' .
As a crude analogy, said magnet is merely a "field laser" ala the magnet MASS (neo, iron, etc cobalt ....)
Quote from: Raz on April 05, 2015, 07:13:26 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Cylinder_-_hyperboloid_-_cone.gif
ahh yes, ive seen that before, except in the case of magnetism and the magnet, there is "compression/decompression" of the hyperboloid.
it reciprocating
its precessing
but its not not compressing and uncompressing.
Quote from: profitis on April 05, 2015, 02:35:44 PM
Apophasis:'a magnet is DENOTATIVELY a reciprocating precessional hyperboloid'
If it is it must be happening extremely fast.extreeeemely fast.
ω = γB
where ω is the Larmor frequency in MHz , γ is the gyromagnetic ratio in MHz/Tesla and B is the strength of the static magnetic field in Tesla. Note that the gyromagnetic ratio is define in different ways by different authors. See the article on gyromagnetic ratio. In this case a useful, simplified version is shown representing the Larmor frequency when B0=1.
The gyromagnetic ratio (MHz/T) for a few commonly measured or imaged isotopes are 1:
H-1 42.58
F-19 40.05
40 MEGAHERTZ , 40 million hertz basically
Quote from: Raz on April 05, 2015, 05:50:01 PM
I just want to understand what type of magnetic field is at the "poles" of the magnet.
everyone on this thread has never used a GAUSSMETER either
as to the CENTRIPETAL VORTEX, AND THE CENTRIFUGAL VORTEX ON EACH SIDE ("pole") OF EVERY MAGNET,........ANY and EVERY GODDAMN gaussmeter will show this is the case.
there is even a video from Supermagnetman about measuring same.
its strong flux at CENTER of either face (centripetal) and then weakens going OUTWARDS........then INCREASES to MAX at the EDGE (centrifugal vortex)
So, every gaussmeter on earth is likewise also SIMPLEX confirmation (MY) accurate model of what a magnet IS and how it works . ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 05, 2015, 02:01:49 AM
Bill, you can see that I AM incapable of learning, because I already know everything!!!!!
My poor insecure ego cannot admit Ive believe in bullshit and errors all these years
Too true, thats your fault indeed son.
Apophasis:' w= γB
where ω is the Larmor frequency in MHz'
Interesting.so like in NMR the average frequency of a magnets oscillation will be in the radio-frequency range mm
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 08, 2015, 11:05:43 AM
Too true, thats your fault indeed son.
I see that as usual you have no problem at all with LYING about what someone else has said. Your misrepresentations are legendary, poor little insecure Kenny. You cannot respond with actual cogent arguments, so you misquote, lie and misrepresent. That's par for the course for you and nobody expects anything better... because that's all you've got.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 08, 2015, 04:03:56 PM
I see that as usual you have no problem at all with LYING about what someone else has said. Your misrepresentations are legendary, poor little insecure Kenny. You cannot respond with actual cogent arguments, so you misquote, lie and misrepresent. That's par for the course for you and nobody expects anything better... because that's all you've got.
The VERY DAY I seek any approval from the pathetic likes of yourself.......... is the same day i jump off a bottomless cliff in a NEON SPEEDO with a Whirly-whiz hat on.
There is more wisdom in a sack of dead CATS than what whirls between your two fuzzy ear-holes.
Your deepest thoughts are what type of sammich to make in the eve and which beer to try next at your local pub. ;D
Ken it been a while since I have posted here ....
I see that the dregs of the "Troll-biters" are still after you ...
Like it or not "they are the crap" that all of us have to endure as we take a shit that stinks, it's just life.. shit is here.. and there.. ...
And now for some fun !!! De Russians are coming !!! "magnetism" is the answer to all of their USA imposed sanctions.. and the "House of Saud" is in a major "sweat" of low oil price !!!
Here are just three links for you.. it's just magnetism and more power generators that use them strange "vortex spin waves".. This is just so Cool Russians Rock on !!!
http://vk.com/globalwave2012 (http://vk.com/globalwave2012)
Магниты. Второе магнитное поле Николаева -1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTq1VNMyLYQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTq1VNMyLYQ&feature=youtu.be)
Вечный двигатель - Perpetuum Mobile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11UKJ0z8lqg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11UKJ0z8lqg)
15-16 Первый Запуск электрической машины Лиманского в ИКС сити 24-25декабря 2014 - Глобальная Волна
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYYynctrQog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYYynctrQog)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k53zY3z1yI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k53zY3z1yI)
Acca.. Россияне очень умные!
TA, have you ever asked yourself what is the frequency of magnetism? There has to be a constant frequency in order of it to be magmatic.
Hmmmm, from what I know even water is magnetic but since the laws of magnetism are very weak in water, then water is not as magnetic as steel. Water is still magnetic in my opinion. WHY? because sub atomic particles make water!
So it is this follow-the-leader arrangement of sub-atomic-particles that make:
-water
-air
-smell
-light
-etc.
Which brings me to another point. IF LIGHT IS THE FASTEST SPEED....hmmm let me think...would not the particles that "create" light in the frequency need to be moving faster? Hence, light speed is not the fastest! Ah well.
If a magnet never had an opposite magnetic repulsion, how would we know it is a magnet?lol
Hey there, things to think about. The magnetic field is just a frequency as well as light.
Right now you may see what you see and smell what you smell but there could (and are) things that you cannot see nor smell.
Pretty simple 100% facts that just because a human being CANNOT SEE NOR SMEEL PAST THEIR 100% CAPABILITIES DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY CAN SEE EVERYTHING!
Heck, there could be something else 300X the speed of light. How can a human see it? There is no way. A human cannot even see a virus flying in the air?
Quote from: joel321 on April 14, 2015, 03:12:17 AM
TA, have you ever asked yourself what is the frequency of magnetism? There has to be a constant frequency in order of it to be magmatic.
there is an INSANELY LONG equation on the frequency / speed of magnetism in one book of CP Steinmetz.....
and ironically nobody on earth has ever performed this calculation.
I recall the equation is ENORMOUS, its insanely complex.
Quote from: joel321 on April 14, 2015, 03:12:17 AM
Which brings me to another point. IF LIGHT IS THE FASTEST SPEED....hmmm let me think...would not the particles that "create" light in the frequency need to be moving faster? Hence, light speed is not the fastest! Ah well.
If a magnet never had an opposite magnetic repulsion, how would we know it is a magnet?lol
Hey there, things to think about. The magnetic field is just a frequency as well as light.
Right now you may see what you see and smell what you smell but there could (and are) things that you cannot see nor smell.
light is NOT the fastest speed, thats been disproven countless times. its just the max rate of transverse induction thru a medium
Repulsion? there is no such thing as "magnetic attraction/repulsion", its a misnomer of dielectric voidance and counter-voidance.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 14, 2015, 08:15:11 PM
light is NOT the fastest speed, thats been disproven countless times. its just the max rate of transverse induction thru a medium
Repulsion? there is no such thing as "magnetic attraction/repulsion", its a misnomer of dielectric voidance and counter-voidance.
You left out the part where you call Einstein "An Idiot". Einstein was the most intelligent and important physicist of our time and yet you, in a sad attempt to elevate your own intelligence, have to call him an idiot. Light is the fastest speed known in the universe. If you can prove otherwise, you would have a Nobel prize. Relativity has been proven over and over again yet, you somehow decline to admit or acknowledge this. Actually, soon it will be known as The Law Of Relativity. What will you say then?
Will you insist that the law is wrong?
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 14, 2015, 10:35:05 PM
You left out the part where you call Einstein "An Idiot". Einstein was the most intelligent and important physicist of our time and yet you, in a sad attempt to elevate your own intelligence, have to call him an idiot. Light is the fastest speed known in the universe. If you can prove otherwise, you would have a Nobel prize.
What a demented little mental midget and Man-Wh0re you are little boy.
Nobel prize you say? and this means WHAT you goddamn pathetic little fool?
That ignorant piece of shit OBAMA got a NOBEL PRIZE having DONE nothing, BEFORE having taken office and DONE ANYTHING.
Papers and prizes bestowed by ONE pack of idiots upon OTHER Idiots, and THIS is the vile shit you praise?
Where is Teslas Noble Prize asshole?
Everytime you talk you CUT YOUR OWN THROAT WITH YOUR OWN TONGUE like the goddamn IDIOT you are Fools want prizes, the wise want wisdom - DAMASCIUS You son, are nothing but a demented little fucking fool , and worse still you destroy yourself without the help of another ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 15, 2015, 12:57:06 AM
What a demented little mental midget and Man-Wh0re you are little boy.
Nobel prize you say? and this means WHAT you goddamn pathetic little fool?
That ignorant piece of shit OBAMA got a NOBEL PRIZE having DONE nothing, BEFORE having taken office and DONE ANYTHING.
Papers and prizes bestowed by ONE pack of idiots upon OTHER Idiots, and THIS is the vile shit you praise?
Where is Teslas Noble Prize asshole? Everytime you talk you CUT YOUR OWN THROAT WITH YOUR OWN TONGUE like the goddamn IDIOT you are
Fools want prizes, the wise want wisdom - DAMASCIUS
You son, are nothing but a demented little fucking fool , and worse still you destroy yourself without the help of another ;D ;D ;D ;D
Wow, something we actually agree on. Obama's Nobel Prize was indeed a joke as he had done nothing. (It was actually awarded for what he SAID he was going to do) You are correct that this single award totally degraded whatever importance that prize used to have.
I also agree (wow, this is scary) that Tesla certainly deserved/deserves a Nobel. It is not too late, they could still do it but, they won't.
So, we agree on 2 points.
I am not sure how I feel about this.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 14, 2015, 10:35:05 PM
Light is the fastest speed known in the universe.
Bullshit....... you Man-Wh0re & mental midget. ;D ;D ;D
The speed of light is a RATE OF INDUCTANCE for
TRANSVERSE EM phenomena ONLY.
Faster than light
LONGITUDINAL transmissions has been proven time and time again, IDIOT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HyJuhqPayI
learn the difference, asshole::::
1. TRANSVERSE
2. LONGITUDINAL
What a stupid little child you are , son. ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuSn6sc7sc
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Quote from: Acca on April 13, 2015, 02:45:32 AM
Ken it been a while since I have posted here ....
I see that the dregs of the "Troll-biters" are still after you ...
Russians are open minded,
Westerners think that anything that isnt SHIT out of the ass of some tenured professor isnt worth investigating.
In THIS regard, the Russians are far far "smarter" than idiot fucking American morons.
Everyone should download this just released article:
Magnetically Controlled Reflection of a Ferrofluid Cell
Michael Snyder
Department of Physics and Astronomy
102 Natural Science Building
University of Louisville
3 MEGABYTES and 37 pages:
http://kathodos.com/magreflection.pdf
First you post this: "
Westerners think that anything that isnt SHIT out of the ass of some tenured professor isnt worth investigating. "
Then, you post the following from a tenured professor as proof of your theory:
Quote
Everyone should download this just released article:
Magnetically Controlled Reflection of a Ferrofluid Cell
Michael Snyder
Department of Physics and Astronomy
102 Natural Science Building
University of Louisville
3 MEGABYTES and 37 pages:
http://kathodos.com/magreflection.pdf (http://kathodos.com/magreflection.pdf)
Sort of seems like you want it both ways. Whichever way you think might help promote your harebrained theory.
You must think folks reading here are idiots not to notice this crap you pull.
All this from a guy who calls Einstein an idiot. I think we clearly see who the real idiot is.
Have fun, keep playing...just ignore the score or you will get depressed.
Bill
TA you're doing just fine! Your spicy hot retorts bring back
pleasant memories of my time aboard a naval vessel as a
Deck Seaman. The Bosun's Mates made their points and
delivered their counsel with the same sort of colorful lingo.
Music to my ears!
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 15, 2015, 09:15:21 PM
First you post this: " Westerners think that anything that isnt SHIT out of the ass of some tenured professor isnt worth investigating. "
Then, you post the following from a tenured professor as proof of your theory:
Ohhhh, you pathetic FUCK, i downloaded ALL 5 GIGABYTES of his MANY YEARS OF research.
just because i posted ONE article from does NOT mean I support his theories on magnetism. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And i will QUOTE HIM FROM HIS OWN VIDEO when he was asked the question:::::
He said -------- "Ohhhhhh, ive been studying this (ferrocell) for years, i still have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER as to the cause of the 'spirograph patterns' in the ferrocell"
At least he admits he doesnt KNOW.
I however DO, and I have the formula for same, and the entire 100% logical answer as to
1. how
2. why
So , shut the fuck up moron, Ive read thru 5 GIGABYTES of his own Doctoral work (he gave me the link, and i downloaded ALL OF IT).........
So dont presume me posting ONE ARTICLE implies ANYTHING
Strawman fallacy,..... you demented Man-Wh0re
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 15, 2015, 09:15:21 PM
post the following from a tenured professor
You fucking MAN WH0RE
Do you even know what that means? "tenured professor" ????????
it means ONLY THIS AND NOTHING MORE:
1. Lots of grunt work
2. bowing down before and to your "superiors"
3. ass kissing without end
4. Years of teaching REGURGITATED SHIT to PUKES in class to "earn your stripes"
A tenured professor is no diff. than a GRUNT SOLDIER who survives a deadly war longer than his PEERS to get promoted.
In this case , the "Deadly war" is just YEARS of horseshit, ASS KISSING and GRUNT WORK.
what it DOES NOT INVOLVE:
1. wisdom
2. capacity for insight
3. genuine intellectual capacitance
Proving yet again, that your intellect isnt even TESTICLE HIGH to a MIDGETS NADS. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 16, 2015, 12:33:29 AM
Proving yet again, that your intellect isnt even TESTICLE HIGH to a MIDGETS NADS. ;D ;D ;D
Ha ha...good one.
Bill
Mr. Wheeler: can you give me your opinion on this video?? Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdxr3PpErjg
Quote from: Raz on April 16, 2015, 06:11:23 PM
Mr. Wheeler: can you give me your opinion on this video?? Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdxr3PpErjg
its a great video, it contains a handful of FUBAR assumptions and errors, but generally is great
Well
I agree with the Soggy simian , it is a bit of a ruff place around this thread .
To each his own.
Quote from: ramset
...Soggy simian...
Very good! Inspiring creativity!
I know, I know...
Some people are "offended" by what they consider to be
"profanity" but, what the hey... It is only words. We may
assign whatever value we want to words as we see fit.
Oversensitivity is probably not a good thing.
I would be disingenuous if I were to say I was offended by the brevity that
revolves around this thread and the many forms it takes,
we are after all Men and sometimes we act more our shoe size than our age [only speaking for myself here]
Chet K
Quote from: SeaMonkey on April 17, 2015, 11:52:12 AM
Soggy Simian
Very good! Inspiring creativity!
How about
AQUA APE ;D
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 16, 2015, 12:48:46 AM
Ha ha...good one.
Bill
Quote
Proving yet again, that your intellect isnt even TESTICLE HIGH to a MIDGETS NADS.
I mean it. That was probably the best insult I have ever received on this forum. Very funny indeed.
Bill
Quotethere is an INSANELY LONG equation on the frequency / speed of magnetism in one book of CP Steinmetz.....
and ironically nobody on earth has ever performed this calculation.
I recall the equation is ENORMOUS, its insanely complex.
The mere fact that "the big bang" created "light" means that 'the big bang' exploded faster than light. So I don't understand why light speed is being to believe as the 'constant' fastest speed. That to me is pretty much ignorant and blinding for anyone that believes as 'light' being the fastest speed in the universe.
Regarding the magnetic frequency, there has to be one. As i understand. Billions of particles are going through our body every day. From wifi frequencies in the channel to radio frequencies in the channel, HECK even air, blood, flesh, house walls, rain, get in the way, BUT THE FREQUENCY STAYS THE SAME. By frequency I mean sum-molecular particles with a 'president'. There is a sub-atomic particle telling them what to do. Unless magnetism is just came to be out of ignorant and then just all particles are stupidity just bouncing back and forth with no knowledge. BUT that cannot be true since why am I not made from light? Even if I was a person made from light, I would still need the suns' energy to survive, just like us humans do.
In my opinion, there is no equation long enough for a human individual to understand life. The only equation long enough is to understand more than the average human.
Having said that, I'm sure you know more about magnetism than that guy bill or most others.
Quotelight is NOT the fastest speed, thats been disproven countless times. its just the max rate of transverse induction thru a medium
Have you ever wondered about the particles that move through a light beam? Why ARE THEY NOT EFFECTED BY THE LIGHT BEAM? Why others are? STILL, PARTICLES CREATE the light beam! = PARTICLE FREQUENCIES. You can pour water over the light beam and the beam will shine through. There are TWO frequencies there with TWO DIFFERENT particles following it. Light goes through water and water goes through light....no big deal, radio wave frequencies goes through solid walls.
Based on that, there is no WAY LIGHT IS FASTEST PARTICLE. Light may be the 'fastest' human known particle that can be perceived, BUT that does not mean that it is the fastest in the universe. There is not way! Even with the 'big bang' theory, which light was created from it? So the 'big bang' had to be moving faster than light!!
What happens when you flash a light through a solid? The light gets absorbed by the solid and never gets past it. Wait a minute, how did the fastest particle in the world get stopped by a 'solid' particle? Is not "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"? So the absorbing item absorbing the light particles must give an opposite SPEED to the light?
Quote from: joel321 on April 18, 2015, 04:16:44 AM
Have you ever wondered about the particles that move through a light beam? Why ARE THEY NOT EFFECTED BY THE LIGHT BEAM? Why others are? STILL, PARTICLES CREATE the light beam! = PARTICLE FREQUENCIES. You can pour water over the light beam and the beam will shine through. There are TWO frequencies there with TWO DIFFERENT particles following it. Light goes through water and water goes through light....no big deal, radio wave frequencies goes through solid walls.
Based on that, there is no WAY LIGHT IS FASTEST PARTICLE. Light may be the 'fastest' human known particle that can be perceived, BUT that does not mean that it is the fastest in the universe. There is not way! Even with the 'big bang' theory, which light was created from it? So the 'big bang' had to be moving faster than light!!
What happens when you flash a light through a solid? The light gets absorbed by the solid and never gets past it. Wait a minute, how did the fastest particle in the world get stopped by a 'solid' particle? Is not "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"? So the absorbing item absorbing the light particles must give an opposite SPEED to the light?
You should really read at least one book on quantum physics before making an ignorant post like this. Had you read even one book on the subject, it would be readily obvious to you why your post makes no sense.
Bill.
PS I'll give you a hint. Light travels in packets, or Quanta, hence the term Quantum Physics.
Quote from: joel321 on April 18, 2015, 04:16:44 AM
Have you ever wondered about the particles that move through a light beam? Why ARE THEY NOT EFFECTED BY THE LIGHT BEAM? Why others are?
there are no particles IN light.
The concept of the "PHOTON" is an ARBITRARY BRAIN FART created by Atomistic assholes.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 18, 2015, 12:46:21 PM
Light travels in packets, or Quanta, hence the term Quantum Physic
Light doesnt even travel AT ALL
There is NO SUCH BS as a "packet", rather a TRIFOLD circuit of dielectricity, and transversing Electricity and Magnetism
Its like saying "LIGHT IS A PAIR OF PISTONS IN A CAR ENGINE...." :o :o
********* well MOTHERFUCKERS, YOU LEFT OUT AND FORGOT ABOUT THE GODDAMN AXLE/ DRIVE SHAFT. ;D ;D
its an Ether perturbation at which and by which dielectric pulses concordant to frequency produce transverse EM reciprocations.
These reciprocations are incoherent, coherent, circular, linear etc etc.
The idiot Einstein said: "We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two contradictory pictures of reality; separately (particle and wave theory) neither of them fully explains the phenomena of light, but together they do." The 'photon' is a purely arbitrary concept. Einstein wrongly concluded light was a discrete wave-packet.
He called such a wave-packet a 'light quanta'. Light, in fact, is D.E.M (dielectroelectromagnetic), a tri-fold circuit. The fundamental mass particle itself being a dielectric accretion formed in galactic formations, it is no coincidence whatsoever that light, like an atom itself, has dualistic properties of both waves and a beam of elements.
TRANSVERSE ELECTROMAGNETISM IS THE NOT THE SUBJECT (= I.E. LIGHT ITSELF), RATHER THE EFFECT.
By the insane logic of QUANTUM assholes, a Bicycle wheel AXLE (the light) is moving.
But no, idiots, its the reciprocating FELLY that is moving, ..... not the AXLE/HUB (the light itself)
Quotethere are no particles IN light.
The concept of the "PHOTON" is an ARBITRARY BRAIN FART created by Atomistic assholes.
In my mind I see a "leader" ("DNA") in light. Sort of like a nazi DNA light code. There is 'DNA' light frequency that vibrating surrounding particles make light. These subatomic particles remain 'loyal' to the entity and the frequency. As a matter of fact now I see light as not light but a frequency. Light has sub-atomic frequency sub-atomic molecular dancers that dance at the same dance step.
If I see the whole universe as DOTS all align to their own frequency, I see a 'PHOTON' align to the light 'leader' = DNA of light code! Light has to have "followers" that follow it to make it light. JUST AS MAGNETISM HAS TO HAVE "PARTICLES" TO MAKE MAGNETISM.
One sum-atomic particle does not make light. One sub-atomic particles does not make magnetism. It is the collection of sub-atomic particles DNA (frequency) that determine light or magnetism.
For this same reason ALL HUMANS CANNOT SEE OUTSIDE THE UNIVERSE where there could be frequencies that the eye nor the ears frequencies can detect. = dark matter!
In my mind, all I see is frequencies. Light frequencies at a certain channel and so as magnetism. Life is not all about magnetism nor light. LIFE IS ABOUT BOTH MAGNETISM AND LIGHT TOGETHER>!
I'm not sure why people go against you TA. Most likely, the confused people are. Magnetic principal mother nature ways are far from being understood in the year 2015 by the so called 'experts' that are the 'smartest' peaople in the world due to peer reviewing them?lol.
Quote from: joel321 on April 19, 2015, 05:28:12 AM
In my mind I see a "leader" ("DNA") in light. Sort of like a nazi DNA light code. There is 'DNA' light frequency that vibrating surrounding particles make light. These subatomic particles remain 'loyal' to the entity and the frequency. As a matter of fact now I see light as not light but a frequency. Light has sub-atomic frequency sub-atomic molecular dancers that dance at the same dance step.
If I see the whole universe as DOTS all align to their own frequency, I see a 'PHOTON' align to the light 'leader' = DNA of light code! Light has to have "followers" that follow it to make it light. JUST AS MAGNETISM HAS TO HAVE "PARTICLES" TO MAKE MAGNETISM.
One sum-atomic particle does not make light. One sub-atomic particles does not make magnetism. It is the collection of sub-atomic particles DNA (frequency) that determine light or magnetism.
For this same reason ALL HUMANS CANNOT SEE OUTSIDE THE UNIVERSE where there could be frequencies that the eye nor the ears frequencies can detect. = dark matter!
In my mind, all I see is frequencies. Light frequencies at a certain channel and so as magnetism. Life is not all about magnetism nor light. LIFE IS ABOUT BOTH MAGNETISM AND LIGHT TOGETHER>!
I'm not sure why people go against you TA. Most likely, the confused people are. Magnetic principal mother nature ways are far from being understood in the year 2015 by the so called 'experts' that are the 'smartest' peaople in the world due to peer reviewing them?lol.
Kids, this is exactly why you should not do drugs.
Let the above post be a lesson for you. This is what can happen.
Bill
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 18, 2015, 11:37:22 PM
Light doesnt even travel AT ALL
There is NO SUCH BS as a "packet", rather a TRIFOLD circuit of dielectricity, and transversing Electricity and Magnetism
Its like saying "LIGHT IS A PAIR OF PISTONS IN A CAR ENGINE...." :o :o
********* well MOTHERFUCKERS, YOU LEFT OUT AND FORGOT ABOUT THE GODDAMN AXLE/ DRIVE SHAFT. ;D ;D
its an Ether perturbation at which and by which dielectric pulses concordant to frequency produce transverse EM reciprocations.
These reciprocations are incoherent, coherent, circular, linear etc etc.
The idiot Einstein said: "We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two contradictory pictures of reality; separately (particle and wave theory) neither of them fully explains the phenomena of light, but together they do." The 'photon' is a purely arbitrary concept. Einstein wrongly concluded light was a discrete wave-packet.
He called such a wave-packet a 'light quanta'. Light, in fact, is D.E.M (dielectroelectromagnetic), a tri-fold circuit. The fundamental mass particle itself being a dielectric accretion formed in galactic formations, it is no coincidence whatsoever that light, like an atom itself, has dualistic properties of both waves and a beam of elements.
TRANSVERSE ELECTROMAGNETISM IS THE NOT THE SUBJECT (= I.E. LIGHT ITSELF), RATHER THE EFFECT.
By the insane logic of QUANTUM assholes, a Bicycle wheel AXLE (the light) is moving.
But no, idiots, its the reciprocating FELLY that is moving, ..... not the AXLE/HUB (the light itself)
What you say is interesting. I made a post in the news section outlining some of my work if you're interested. I agree there's something wrong with the present standard model of light. That's why I'm now doing an experiment I've dreamt of for years. To see if the Quantum Mechanics equations of the photon is correct at radio frequencies, E = h*f. It's not easy at room temperatures, but I have design that will work. Basically the present design consists of a 49MHz source connected to a small loop antenna and a resistor of sufficient resistance to keep thermal noise current low enough to prevent it from bringing the source current high enough to emit a "photon." About 6 to 10 feet away is a large receiving loop antenna. Given the antennas radiation resistance, simple Quantum Mechanics equations show how much current is required to emit a photon at a given frequency per wavelength. So I'll keep decreasing the current while watching the receiver. If Quantum Mechanics single photons exist, then at the predicted threshold the receiving antenna will stop receiving the signal. The receiving antenna has a low noise high gain amp, which is connected to an oscilloscope. I've written custom software for my oscilloscope to allow it to do extensive spectral averaging. This is going to be interesting. Years ago I used to think the radio antenna could emit electromagnetic waves far below one photon per wavelength, but now I'm thinking that's not true. We'll see. :) If you have any design concerns for this experiment, then let me know. I've spent a lot of time thinking of holes in the experiment and then redesigning it. For example, it occurred to me that thermal noise current could aid the source in obtaining the emission threshold. That was solved by placing a resistor of sufficient resistance to bring down noise current, sqrt(4*k*T*B/R). The issue prior to that was that at sub-photon energies, the electromagnetic energy near field would not emit, but would collapse, expand, collapse, expand, building up with each wave until it finally reached the minimum level to emit. That was also solved by using high resistance to make the circuit resistive.
What's your explanation for the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment? I have some serious issues with Quantum Mechanics idea of entangled particles. I've written software that goes over a Bell's test experiment. It's actually extremely simple. It uses a classical mechanics approach. Not Quantum Mechanics. But yet it gets the exact same results as predicted by Quantum Mechanics. I spent way too much time arguing with academic scientists over this. Not a single one could find error in my math. One person challenged my math, offering alternative math, but I found his error. Then the admins got pissed and defensive. Nearly everyone ignored my math and focused on the Bell's theorem, which is pointless as far as I'm concerned. I conclude that Bell's test experiment does not prove there's anything spooky with entangled particles. Recently I began focusing on the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment. That proved very difficult to explain by any valid theory. It's just filled with contradictory crap. I'll spare you details on that, but I have numerous serious issues with those experiments, and theories to explain the experimental errors they're making. Interestingly enough over the past 33 years worldwide there have been very few published delayed choice quantum eraser experiments. Strange, considering that it's thought to be the most important experiment in all history. I think most scientists are honest. Maybe they're seeing bad results that require serious tweaking to get good results. I'm not saying entanglement doesn't exist. Just that every entangled experiment I've studied thus far can be explained with classical mechanics. Quantum Mechanics claims there's an instant connection between entangled particles. Nobody has been able to get faster than light using entanglement. So they say it's impossible even though a lot of academics are still trying to find ways. What are your thoughts?
Are you doing any experiments for your theories or have plans? Maybe we should periodically exchange emails.
Wow is all I have to say about the aggression at this forum. Maybe I need a bigger sense of humor. To be honest, the posts I'm seeing at this forum are generally far more aggressive, filled with blatant personal attacks than the academic science forums. Neither being a place I'd like to hang out for too long. Is this the type of environment you people want?
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 19, 2015, 02:12:54 PM
Wow is all I have to say about the aggression at this forum. Maybe I need a bigger sense of humor. To be honest, the posts I'm seeing at this forum are generally far more aggressive, filled with blatant personal attacks than the academic science forums. Neither being a place I'd like to hang out for too long. Is this the type of environment you people want?
Yep,.. that's exactly what I saw when I first came here. There are a few know it all's that think this is a academic science forum or maybe their egos get too offended by different ways of looking at things in science. I already pointed out that this is an overunity forum , and that the concept of overunity and "free energy" is already outside the grasp of "conventional" science , so they should not even be here. Or maybe they just think that because they have thousands of posts here they own other people's opinions and points of view. Ken Wheeler only gave his own proposal, free book and ideas and what came after that was just the hurt bleeding egos of a dozen sociopaths. If you voice your opinions too loud that you are actually doing experiments that prove that quantum mechanics dont work as they say, you will get attacked too. You see, they are not interested in really learning, just feel good abot what they know, and when that is shaked and they are reminded that they might be wrong , all hell gets loose. In the other hand there are a few very useful comments and people who just want to learn so dont get discouraged. Also Ken's videos on youtube will show you a lot more. Welcome to the madness. ;D
Hey @mr research I see you found him.he doesn't tend to answer anyone immediately but be patient,when he arrives he'l bomb with some interesting ideas.btw have you perehaps done any maxwellian demons in your lab?
Mr research:'-Wow is all I have to say about the aggression at this forum. Maybe I need a bigger sense of humor. To be honest, the posts I'm seeing at this forum are generally far more aggressive, filled with blatant personal attacks than the academic science forums. Neither being a place I'd like to hang out for too long. Is this the type of environment you people want?'
Yes this is what makes this forum fun I think :) we got every type of personality here on this international highway,from the meek and gullible,to the stupid and obnoxious,to the genius and schizophrenic.all here.plus we have our agents and revolutionaries.I love it
Quote from: profitis on April 19, 2015, 04:50:49 PM
Hey @mr research I see you found him.he doesn't tend to answer anyone immediately but be patient,when he arrives he'l bomb with some interesting ideas.btw have you perehaps done any maxwellian demons in your lab?
My days of exorcising Maxwell demons are long over?
Mr research'My days of exorcising Maxwell demons are long over?'
Hehe,yes good.the job of the priest really sucks sometimes. adrenaline, anger,frustration,elation,damnation.vicious cycle
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 19, 2015, 02:12:54 PM
Wow is all I have to say about the aggression at this forum. Maybe I need a bigger sense of humor. To be honest, the posts I'm seeing at this forum are generally far more aggressive, filled with blatant personal attacks than the academic science forums. Neither being a place I'd like to hang out for too long. Is this the type of environment you people want?
Oh, it doesnt mean anything,
Ive done nothing more than call a FEW OF these mental midgets the boobs that they ARE.
Anyone out to please
(as per some of these other boobs) idiots is someone with a DEFECT before theyve said a thing.
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 19, 2015, 02:06:00 PM
I think most scientists are honest.
dont give a DAMN if theyre honest.
Its their Fing ignorances, and pathetic evils in confusing DESCRIPTIONS as/with EXPLANATIONS
World is RIPE with honest idiots.
HONEST PEOPLE:Satanists
Rapists
Abortion doctors
Adolf Hitler
Charles Manson.
etc. etc.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 19, 2015, 10:04:45 PM
dont give a DAMN if theyre honest.
Its their Fing ignorances, and pathetic evils in confusing DESCRIPTIONS as/with EXPLANATIONS
World is RIPE with honest idiots.
HONEST PEOPLE:
Satanists
Rapists
Abortion doctors
Adolf Hitler
Charles Manson.
etc. etc.
Honestly, I think you need to see a psychiatrist. :( I wish you well.
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 19, 2015, 11:07:11 PM
Honestly, I think you need to see a psychiatrist. :( I wish you well.
TR ,.. you need to grow a little thicker skin if you are going to hang around here, and read the other posts and Ken's book to understand.
QuoteKids, this is exactly why you should not do drugs.
Let the above post be a lesson for you. This is what can happen.
Put an internet router in a room with no windows and the door closed. Now go to the living room and try to log on to the router's wifi access. I'm sure you will. This means that the wifi frequencies go through solid walls. This means that all solids in the sub atomic world, have space in between that the wifi signal gets past through. This also means that light cannot get past through because if you pit a flashlight in a room with the door closed, the light will not escape as wifi signal waves would.
Now use your little brain to understand why that is? Just because your brain cannot understand COMPLEXITY stuff does not mean they are taking drugs. It ONLY means that your brain cannot understand complex stuff! lol
With such brain capacity, how can you imagine what is the 'DNA' that makes the light be light? Obviously, there is an engraved in 'stone' rule. = light cannot be destroyed.
I don't expect anything BRILLIANT coming out of your tongue. lol
TA, can you imagine EVERYTHING being made of 'dots'? Some dots are small and other dots are big. These dots have frequencies. The dots in this certain frequency make light. This other dots in a certain frequency make sound. These other dots in a certain frequency make water. Theses other dots in a certain frequency make rocks. These other dots in a certain frequency make magnetism.
Now have you ever asked yourself, what is influencing these dots?
Dots make:
-water
-air
-rocks
-animals
-brains
-light
-computers
-sexuality
-etc
All are sub-atomic DOTS. SO, if the human body had DNA or can be finger printed, HOW CAN YOU FINGER PRINT MAGNETISM?
Magnetism has to be made form 'dots' in such arrangement? Or in such a math formula! BUT, WHAT DOTS CREATED THE FORMULA? If you understand what I mean? Your brain is all DOTS in the gray matter.
Mr research'Honestly, I think you need to see a psychiatrist. :( I wish you well.'
NOoooooo! Please don't leave sir! I'd love to hear your opinion on the main theme of this thread: macro-orderly-oscillation of a magnet field.I dontknow yet if it spontaneously exists or not.please come back sir talk with me ignore the rest.
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 19, 2015, 11:07:11 PM
Honestly, I think you need to see a psychiatrist. :( I wish you well.
Merely pointing out your MENTAL DEFECT in looking for HONESTY rather than saying "Im looking for a WISE scientist who knows what the hell hes talking about"
Your MENTAL DEFECT of course being that your MYOPIA is missing the fact that : ( SEE PIC BELOW)
WHICH OF COURSE MAKES YOUR STATEMENT, PATHETIC.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 20, 2015, 10:38:50 AM
Merely pointing out your MENTAL DEFECT in looking for HONESTY rather than saying "Im looking for a WISE scientist who knows what the hell hes talking about"
Your MENTAL DEFECT of course being that your MYOPIA is missing the fact that : ( SEE PIC BELOW)
WHICH OF COURSE MAKES YOUR STATEMENT, PATHETIC.
A dishonest wise scientist is useless to me. I'm looking for data. Not a dishonest wiseass ignoramus such as yourself.
...
Heya how's it going TK? ;)
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 20, 2015, 10:46:37 AM
Heya how's it going TK? ;)
So, youre a buddy with TK, TinFoilHatKoalaMolestor????
Hes the MOST dishonest asshole on this board. ;D ;D
So, the ignoramus is yourself so its 100% CLEAR. ;D ;D ;D
Good luck on being a mental midget & an IGNORAMUS
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 20, 2015, 10:46:37 AM
I'm looking for data.
So does a computer, but it takes WISDOM to divine what the hell the data says.
"SCIENCE" is full of "human computers" that "WANT INPUT"
but of course they have no goddamn idea what to DO WITH IT once they got it, ........
other than:
1. shuffle it
2. file it
3. categorize it
Youre "one of those" (myopic morons). ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 20, 2015, 11:21:22 AM
So does a computer, but it takes WISDOM to divine what the hell the data says.
"SCIENCE" is full of "human computers" that "WANT INPUT"
but of course they have no goddamn idea what to DO WITH IT once they got it, ........
other than:
1. shuffle it
2. file it
3. categorize it
Youre "one of those" (myopic morons). ;D ;D
Real scientists make correct predictions of the unknown. Academic scientists are doing pretty damn good. Theories that don't predict anything unknown are a dime a dozen.
I'll leave you with my impression of this place. A battle in middle earth filled with thick scarred skinned monsters. I don't want skin that thick.
You're just giving people such as TK a front row seat.
http://thefinalline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Middle-Earth-Shadow-of-Mordor-1.jpg
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 20, 2015, 11:48:16 AM
Real scientists make correct predictions of the unknown.
MY GOD, you are a retard ;D ;D ;D
so-called "REAL SCIENTISTS" are famous for making generally accurate predictions based upon 100% INCORRECT CONCLUSIONS
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 20, 2015, 11:48:16 AM
Academic scientists are doing pretty damn good.
Says who asshole? YOU ???? ;D ;D ;D These same FUCKING "SCIENTISTS" that ::
1. have NEVER defined what a FIELD is
2. who create shit to make their equations balance out (BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION!!!)
"A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out".
- THE "LAW" from Quantum ASSHOLES<<<I can say that "Unicorns cause the Larmor frequency of GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION"
and LIKEWISE make CORRECT PREDICTIONS
however BOTH the Theory and the EXPLANATION are 100% wrong.
Ancient Egyptians were FAMOUS for making "CORRECT PREDICTIONS",.........yet their explanations of Gods etc etc etc
was of course 100% incorrect.
Yes, i know YOUR BREED OF MYOPIC MORON !!!! Pathetic fool ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 20, 2015, 11:48:16 AM
Theories that don't predict anything unknown are a dime a dozen.
Theories cannot predict an UNKNOWN since only phenomena can be TESTED (idiot!)
Projective geometry is extrapolative and pure theoretical but must be wholly logical.
Nothing trans-Euclidean can be "TESTED" you demented RETARD
(ie inertia, Ether, Non-Euclidean projective "geometry").
Yes, you son, are a FOOL ;D ;D
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 20, 2015, 12:11:23 PM
MY GOD, you are a retard ;D ;D ;D
so-called "REAL SCIENTISTS" are famous for making generally accurate predictions based upon 100% INCORRECT CONCLUSIONS
Says who asshole? YOU ???? ;D ;D ;D These same FUCKING "SCIENTISTS" that ::
1. have NEVER defined what a FIELD is
2. who create shit to make their equations balance out (BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION!!!)
"A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,...however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out". - THE "LAW" from Quantum ASSHOLES<<<
I can say that "Unicorns cause the Larmor frequency of GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION"
and LIKEWISE make CORRECT PREDICTIONS
however BOTH the Theory and the EXPLANATION are 100% wrong.
Ancient Egyptians were FAMOUS for making "CORRECT PREDICTIONS",.........yet their explanations of Gods etc etc etc
was of course 100% incorrect.
Yes, i know YOUR BREED OF MYOPIC MORON !!!! Pathetic fool ;D ;D ;D
Theories cannot predict an UNKNOWN since only phenomena can be TESTED (idiot!)
Projective geometry is extrapolative and pure theoretical but must be wholly logical.
Nothing trans-Euclidean can be "TESTED" you demented RETARD
(ie inertia, Ether, Non-Euclidean projective "geometry").
Yes, you son, are a FOOL ;D ;D
Oh son, you don't need to type all that just to say you haven't made any experimental predictions. Academic scientists have made thousands of jaw dropping experimental predictions that were unknown to humanity. Jealous, aren't you. Don't be mad. :(
Yawn :)
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 20, 2015, 01:18:25 PM
Academic scientists have made thousands of jaw dropping experimental predictions
You pathetic ass, i dont care much about the predictions
I care about the ACCURATE EXPLANATIONS
This is WHY youre a MYOPIC RETARDED mental midget, son.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 20, 2015, 01:20:31 PM
You pathetic ass, i dont care much about the predictions
I care about the ACCURATE EXPLANATIONS
This is WHY youre a MYOPIC RETARDED mental midget, son.
Awwww, no predictions? Sorry ;-( I'm sure there's a happy bartender out there to cheer you up. Maybe you could write a book on the Zero predictions theorem. ;D
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 20, 2015, 01:36:46 PM
Awwww, no predictions?
I predict you going nowhere and doing nothing.
I retired at age 32,
graduated college 2 years early, translate ancient greek, Prakrit, and a former Russian translator for the Govt.
Several books, MANY translations.
Chess champ in high school and college.
I charge $150 an hour for a consultation on several topics.
Ive been in Key West and the Islands for the past month at my other home.
So, how you doing in "life" ? Loser. ;D
And you have really ugly tats! Yeeech! lol
Quote from: MileHigh on April 20, 2015, 11:12:31 PM
And you have really ugly tats! Yeeech! lol
skin deep bitch
Your UGLY goes right to the center of what passes as a "mind" in your case.
I was just yanking your chain tattooed around your neck.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 20, 2015, 11:06:09 PM
I predict you going nowhere and doing nothing.
I retired at age 32,
graduated college 2 years early, translate ancient greek, Prakrit, and a former Russian translator for the Govt.
Several books, MANY translations.
Chess champ in high school and college.
I charge $150 an hour for a consultation on several topics.
Ive been in Key West and the Islands for the past month at my other home.
So, how you doing in "life" ? Loser. ;D
So?
I retired when I was 17...so what?
I bought a used car and it needed new tires so...
I re tired.
Get it?
Please don't make me have to explain this to you. It was not all that funny to begin with and, after explaining it, it will be even less so.
Bill
Bill,
at least TA's proven that there is time dilation. In post 3583 he retired at age 31, now it's jumped to
age 32. Also somewhere I recall he finished college 3 years early and that has now dropped to 2 years
early. Not very good for someone who's blatantly anti relativity!!
John.
Quote from: minnie on April 21, 2015, 09:12:47 AM
Bill,
at least TA's proven that there is time dilation. In post 3583 he retired at age 31, now it's jumped to
age 32. Also somewhere I recall he finished college 3 years early and that has now dropped to 2 years
early. Not very good for someone who's blatantly anti relativity!!
John.
Honestly i dont remember myself, it was 31 or 32.
No, it was 2 years early.
Doesnt matter however, college was a huge pissing WASTE of time and money . USELESS CRAP and moron professors teaching BS and nonsense.
Id have been happier NOT to graduate AT ALL, and to NEVER have gone to college.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 20, 2015, 11:06:09 PM
Chess champ in high school and college.
I charge $150 an hour for a consultation on several topics.
Sooo....how about we play some "go"? You're some wonderkind right? You're so much smarter than everyone here right?
If you win 3 games out of four I'll pay you your hourly rate for the games. :) If you're interested then I'll post the rules. It will be similar to the challenge that Joel chickened out of - unsurprisingly. :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on April 21, 2015, 11:13:37 AM
Sooo....how about we play some "go"? You're some wonderkind right? You're so much smarter than everyone here right?
If you win 3 games out of four I'll pay you your hourly rate for the games. :) If you're interested then I'll post the rules. It will be similar to the challenge that Joel chickened out of - unsurprisingly. :)
What do you get if you win against TA?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 21, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
Honestly i dont remember myself
Time to see a psychologist ;)
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 21, 2015, 01:06:13 PM
What do you get if you win against TA?
<southern accent>Sah-tis-faction. </southern accent>
QuoteId have been happier NOT to graduate AT ALL, and to NEVER have gone to college
Bingo! Me too! On the one hand I'm angry with years spent in school, because now I have to fight with my mind which is conditioned to think in a specific way. But on the other hand, I understand that without those years spent in school, I would not have found the serious existing gaps in contemporary science, and perhaps I would never have come to look for the answers I seek now. That's the reason I learn my nephews to see the world with their own mind not with their own brain, with their own eyes not through the eyes of others, regardless of status or social position of the respective. Ephemeral and worthless things!
However, if I had to choose now whether to follow a contemporary school, I would certainly say no, instead I would ask to have permanent access to the library.
- Counterspace & Projective Geometry (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-XXa_qZt80)
Quote from: sadang on April 21, 2015, 01:44:36 PM
But on the other hand, I understand that without those years spent in school, I would not have found the serious existing gaps
which you still can't point out to any useful degree. :)
I think college and Quantum Mechanics are very helpful. Everyone has their issues with them, but so what. Tom Bearden would agree with me since he's head deep in Quantum Mechanics.
Quote from: sarkeizen on April 21, 2015, 11:13:37 AM
Sooo....how about we play some "go"
ehh ,life it too short to play games
endlessly busy,
however ive been chilling out in the islands past 4 weeks. ;D Still working hard on some things.
I want to ask something here. This post started with Mr. Wheeler giving away his free book. Maybe if he has just show the concepts and charge for it a lot of you would have bought it(Because people think that when they have to pay for something it is worth more). Now , he have a very interesting theory on his book. He also have done experiments with ferrofluid to show for it and they are repeatable. The rest I have seen are all personal attacks. None of them based on the technology he is showing but more on hurt egos or lack of an open mind. Now,.. what are all the people here criticizing offering??? Anything? Any of you have a book , an experiment that shows something new, a new theory , an overunity device, a practical explanation of gravity or ANY other thing to show for and share in this overunity website? Anything? Anyone ? No? That's what I though. The nature of people who in the past have actually done anything useful , and have really experimented is to share their knowledge to others. Schrauberger, Tesla, Russell , all of them tried to show their ideas and concepts to the world under heavy attacks. I dont see anything useful on the nature of the people who are just attacking here and trying to impose their relativity, quantum whatever,etc. If people who come to an overunity forum wanted to know about quantum and relativity, there are much more specialized websites that preach general physics. They wont be on a forum in which their concepts are not the mainstream , and that is exactly what many of you are doing. When I review the post of many of the attackers I only see egos looking for personal glory , and sometimes even trying to copy another person experiments, and then when they dont get the same results ,they go into heavy attack/tell me all I want to know mode. I dont blame Mr Wheeler for not wanting to lose time with most of your replies. If I was retired , and had to put up with all this crap , I would not accept it thru 272 pages of people ignorance , so I have to give him credit for his patience. My point is,.. if you have something useful to add to this post regarding the main topic , which is magnetic vortices , then do and help us learn something new,.. if you dont have anything new or have not even read the whole book , then go back to your hole or go try stealing other people experiments and stop contaminating this thread. Thanks.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 21, 2015, 03:05:21 PM
ehh ,life it too short to play games
What? But you consult for $150/hr? Why wouldn't you just accept this as another consulting job...unless you would most assuredly lose? What about at $300/hr?
Isn't it interesting when people boast and boast and boast and boast about their intellect being superior to everyone here and then chicken out when asked to play a simple game?
Theoretical research'I think college and Quantum Mechanics are very
helpful. Everyone has their issues with them, but so
what. Tom Bearden would agree with me since he's
head deep in Quantum Mechanics.'
Yay! mr research,still here.so whatcha make of this theory-of-macro-oscillatory-innamagnet?
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/02/02/world-renowned-physicist-explains-the-reality-of-free-energy-how-its-accessible/
Hey raz almost all of the elite circles professori are all well aware of that but they put their jobs on the line if they become too loud.this will change in time
Quote from: profitis on April 21, 2015, 06:48:06 PM
Hey raz almost all of the elite circles professori are all well aware of that but they put their jobs on the line if they become too loud.
Spoken like someone without a clue. :)
Dr. Puthoff would laugh out loud, right in your faces Raz and TA, if he ever came across this thread. You can contact him directly and ask him for yourself if you like:
http://earthtech.org/about/ (http://earthtech.org/about/)
(Actually he's much to polite for that. But he'll be laughing inside, just the same.)
Sarkeizen:'Spoken like someone without a clue. :)'
Oh please.what do you think I was doing during my short break,meditating?
Quote from: profitis on April 21, 2015, 07:28:20 PM
Oh please.what do you think I was doing during my short break,meditating?
Well I can tell you what you weren't doing. Spending as much time with academics and academia as I have. Your idea that there is some omerta between the vast majority of academics in any field is utter crap. If anything it's the opposite. Academics are trying to distinguish themselves from their peers. To a point the universities encourage it. University marketing departments are only slightly more ethical than other marketing departments.
Quote from: sarkeizen on April 21, 2015, 04:00:56 PM
Isn't it interesting when people boast and boast and boast and boast about their intellect being superior to everyone here and then chicken out when asked to play a simple game?
Id like to make things "simple", however im thinking 1000 miles an hour all the time. I just need to prioritize TIME.
\
The older you get the more you realize that if youve got a lot to do / write etc etc that TIME IS SHORT.
Boast about what? Im alone 99.9999999999% of the time and cannot stand the simpleton minds of most people who can only think about 2 things:::
1. how to get rich
2. how to get laid
(or both at the same time). The very term WISDOM is like a LOST FUCKING WORD in modern society. The world is full of assholes and idiots trying to get rich or laid, or FUCK SOMEONE ELSE OVER to get rich or laid instead of another person.
100% of humanity is STILL a knuckle dragging SUBHUMAN APE. ;D
and the "intelligent" 1% of society (STILL SUBHUMAN IDIOT APES) think idiots like Einstein and Feynmen were actually intelligent.
Virtual particles, and warped space Quantum BULLSHIT ;D
I only care about wisdom, the rest of the world can go Fuck itself off a DEEP CLIFF with no bottom.
(Yes, that was indeed INSENSITIVE).
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2015, 07:27:24 PM
Dr. Puthoff would laugh out loud, right in your faces Raz and TA,
This statement ALONE proves youre 100% A GODDAMN FUCKING IDIOT
N. Tesla was laughed at ENDLESSLY, even after creating the entire modern world and FIXING Edisons motors
he ended up DIGGING DIRT DITCHES for 2 years after Edison SHAFTED HIM.
The VOX POPULI (voice of the people/s) is nothing any intelligent person cares about, rather only the truth.
Even today , people think of Einstein, rather than Tesla
Einstein did NOTHING, and shit out a theory 90% stolen from Poincare ;D ;D
Tesla , wheres HIS Noble prize for creating the modern world?
Tesla died BROKE
99% of people have heard of that fucking moron Einstein.
about 5% know who the fuck TESLA was
Does not matter who gets LAUGHED AT, you fucking mental midget & intellectual-pedophile
matters who is WISE, who is CORRECT. ;D
80% of what Walter Russell said was PURE BRILLIANCE
Tesla told Russell to "hide his work from the modern world, ......theyre not ready for the truth"
almost NOBODY has even heard of him. ;D
Quote from: Raz on April 21, 2015, 03:50:53 PM
Maybe if he has just show the concepts and charge for it
Well, i dont want to sell anything, otherwise i look like a shill trying to peddle something to someone.
"Look look, BUY IT !!"
Nah, i actually wrote (and am writing) the book for myself and a very few folks.
I dont want a DIME from the book, up front or otherwise. As long as i have food to eat, a roof etc etc.......
..i dont want anyones money for anything.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 21, 2015, 09:55:31 PM
I just need to prioritize TIME.
I'm simply offering to purchase some of that time which, unless you were lying to us - and you probably were - you offer to other people at $150/hr. I've offered double that (if you win). I'm happy to offer treble under the same terms. Clearly if you aren't lying to people about your consulting gigs you would consider this a beneficial exchange.
You can keep making excuses but the fact is you would lose. Partially because anyone who isn't a sockpuppet or a sycophant can see that what you post is generally vapid prattle. :)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 21, 2015, 09:55:31 PM
I just need to prioritize TIME.
Well, time is relative.
Oh wait, I forgot, you don't believe in Einstein.
Never mind.
Bill
Quote from: sarkeizen on April 21, 2015, 10:26:11 PM
I'm simply offering to purchase some of that time which, unless you were lying to us - and you probably were - you offer to other people at $150/hr. I've offered double that (if you win). I'm happy to offer treble under the same terms. Clearly if you aren't lying to people about your consulting gigs you would consider this a beneficial exchange.
You can keep making excuses but the fact is you would lose. Partially because anyone who isn't a sockpuppet or a sycophant can see that what you post is generally vapid prattle. :)
At NO TIME DID I SAY or said "$150 an hour" CONSULTATION was related to my book, magnetism, OR field theory
SO, why did you assume I was referring to same?
I was NOT. ;DSaid consults are on translation work, and obtuse topics of metaphysics relational to others research, likewise on a TECHNICAL CRAFT I will not mention on this board.
I dont sell anything to anyone on this board at ANY time, at ANY price, EVER.
Believe it or not, some (very few) people care about intangible things, like wisdom and knowledge, NOT getting rich.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 21, 2015, 10:34:08 PM
Well, time is relative.
Oh wait, I forgot, you don't believe in Einstein.
Time doesnt exist. its a measure of magnitudes and relational convergences/divergences related to both
----- " Time is an arbitrary construct of empirical beings used to quantify the conceptual changes seen in the flux of force and motion related to magnitudes" (Ken L Wheeler)
Einstein NEVER DEFINED TIME, asshole,........ contrary to popular conception. ;D
Space and Time are the MIRAGE OF INERTIA, my small-brained little monkey.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~But such lofty thoughts and comprehensions are beyond your kin. ;D
If "time doesn't exist"... why then do you need to prioritize it?
It's hilarious to watch someone who can't even keep his story straight on one page of the thread, and contradicts himself coming and going.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2015, 11:00:20 PM
If "time doesn't exist"... why then do you need to prioritize it?
Because all empirical beings are "slaves to TIME", idiot asshole.
even a moron knows this, ...........but what, ? You DONT? ;D
You cut yourself with your OWN TONGUE like a blind knife juggler.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2015, 11:00:20 PM
It's hilarious to watch someone who can't even keep his story straight on one page of the thread, and contradicts himself coming and going.
It's hilarious to watch someone who can't think, say something SO STUPID.
There is no contradiction, my pathetic child, only your IGNORANCE OF "what is", and the "nature of things"
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 21, 2015, 10:04:50 PM
This statement ALONE proves youre 100% A GODDAMN FUCKING IDIOT
N. Tesla was laughed at ENDLESSLY, even after creating the entire modern world and FIXING Edisons motors
he ended up DIGGING DIRT DITCHES for 2 years after Edison SHAFTED HIM.
The VOX POPULI (voice of the people/s) is nothing any intelligent person cares about, rather only the truth.
Even today , people think of Einstein, rather than Tesla
Einstein did NOTHING, and shit out a theory 90% stolen from Poincare ;D ;D
Tesla , wheres HIS Noble prize for creating the modern world?
Tesla died BROKE
99% of people have heard of that fucking moron Einstein.
about 5% know who the fuck TESLA was
Does not matter who gets LAUGHED AT, you fucking mental midget & intellectual-pedophile
matters who is WISE, who is CORRECT. ;D
80% of what Walter Russell said was PURE BRILLIANCE
Tesla told Russell to "hide his work from the modern world, ......theyre not ready for the truth"
almost NOBODY has even heard of him. ;D
Poor Kenny, you're so insecure that you can't even follow a conversation before your ego-defenses kick in. Stomp your feet all you like, insult people until you are blue in the face.... nobody cares what you think and that's terrifying to you. Your life's work is a wasted bunch of nonsense, and when you die, there will be nothing left of you except the trail of slimy insults that you leave behind you in threads like this one.
Oh.. and the posture chair for fat people. Nearly forgot about that, even though the world's offices are filled with cheap Chinese knockoffs that didn't bring you a penny from sales.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2015, 11:05:12 PM
Poor Kenny, you're so insecure that you can't even follow a conversation before your ego-defenses kick in. Stomp your feet all you like, insult people until you are blue in the face.... nobody cares what you think and that's terrifying to you. Your life's work is a wasted bunch of nonsense, and when you die, there will be nothing left of you except the trail of slimy insults that you leave behind you in threads like this one.
Oh.. and the posture chair for fat people. Nearly forgot about that, even though the world's offices are filled with cheap Chinese knockoffs that didn't bring you a penny from sales.
Jealousy manifests itself in many forms.
Yours is #3 in the
Encyclopedia of Mental Disorders under "Jealously-projection"
its reductionistic by nature ;D
Damascius once said --------- "Honor the HATRED OF FOOLS as EQUAL to PRAISE FROM THE WISE"
His timeless truth applies here.
Nothing confirms my path more so than to find a brainless fool like yourself spitting and twitching like a possessed fool straight out of the movie THE EXORCIST.
Google
Anti-Gravity / Cold Fusion Explained In Detail: A New Era In Physics Pt. 1 of ?
TA, I have to wonder if you're a believer in solipsism.
Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 22, 2015, 01:13:25 AM
TA, I have to wonder if you're a believer in solipsism.
Solipsism has no meaning unless specificity is denoted.
As pertain the mind or self, there are TWO in EVERY branch of noble metaphysics to ever exist. Existential (ie empirical consciousness) and Metaphysical, (ie the Self, Citta, Nous, Atman, Attan).
The topic is too deep for you to even begin to wrap your (empirical) mind around.
As an intellectual pedestrian, youre in deep waters, and, mentally, you cannot "swim" OR 'tread water'
The Self is not an OBJECT of rumination, rather the Subject itself.
Subject precedes all extrapolative negation,......
Self-negation paradoxes cannot be enjoined, ........not by you or anyone in the universe.
IF HOWEVER (which is MORE LIKELY given your mental abilities), you were referring to Egoity (a later day connote),
this Freudian nonsense will not be discussed. It has no meaning. If however (unlikely given your shallow mind), you refer to self as per EXISTENCE, i would remind your meager mind that EXISTANCE literally means "Exio- Stance" , or "to be OUTSIDE of ones SELF" (ie empirical consciousness).
All phenomena (consciousness, just like magnetism) is a PROJECTION, a MIRAGE, the RESULTANT OF the "breaking" of INERTIA
Sarkeizen:' Your idea that there is some omerta between the vast majority of academics in any field is utter crap. If anything it's the opposite. Academics are trying to distinguish themselves from their peers'
Just a few clicks into one of several dozens elite science-discussionforums show otherwize bro.yes they try to distinguish themselves but not by crossing certain lines.you get your rebels who do cross the line but they are quickly put in their place if they get overly rebellious.
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2015, 05:19:14 AM
Just a few clicks into one of several dozens elite science-discussionforums show otherwize bro.
ROFL "elite science discussion forums". Please point out one of these and I'll try to stop laughing at you so much. :)
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 21, 2015, 10:46:06 PM
At NO TIME DID I SAY or said "$150 an hour" CONSULTATION was related to my book, magnetism, OR field theory
At no time did I claim, say or imply that it was. So why did you assume? Oh that's right you are stupid. :) All I noted is that you claimed you didn't have time but clearly your time is for sale at $150/hr. I was simply offering to buy some of it at double, treble and now quadruple your advertised rate ($600/hr if you win).
And still the excuses keep on coming. "Waaaaah I have too much to do" "WAaaaaah dispite being a self-proclaimed genius I can't prioritize my time very well", "Waaaah I can't do it unless it's for secret magical subjects", "Waaaah, waaaah, waaah".
Sheesh get a grip and man up or shut up. :)
The list of self-proclaimed "smarter than everyone here" folk who spend about as much time as it would take me to beat them typing excuses is getting longer every day. :)
Sarkeizen:'ROFL "elite science discussion forums".'
I don't understand,why did you laugh at this.a forum where the best of the best toss ideas is funny?I think your the only one with an oddity here sir.
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2015, 07:22:01 AM
I don't understand,why did you laugh at this.a forum where the best of the best toss ideas is funny?I think your the only one with an oddity here sir.
Soooo no answer there? No list of "elite science forums" perhaps they're somewhere around the "elite pokemon fourms"?
I admit you really have an elaborate fiction about academia built up in your head. The question as to whether this is just your hamhanded scamming or delusion is the only one that remains. :)
Sarkeizen:'No list of "elite science forums" perhaps they're somewhere around the "elite pokemon fourms"?'
Maybe :).btw is mr pukhoff that raz just located not an elite professori? I say he is
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2015, 08:41:15 AM
Maybe :).
So again, where are these elite science forums you claim have all this discussion on?
Or will you claim they're now seeeeeeecret elite science forums?
You just keep getting more ridiculous. Really, I spend more time in academia than you have or probably ever will. What you describe really is just a fantasy you made up to keep your own delusions alive. :)
Sarkeizen:'You just keep getting more ridiculous.'
Your opinion and yours alone.I couldn't care less.is mr pukhoff qualified to be a good scientist? Answer: yes he is
Sarkeizen:'Or will you claim they're now seeeeeeecret elite science forums?'
I'm not going to reveal my sources but with a push of a few buttons plus some dilligence anyone can check these best-of-the-best inter-discussionaries
Quote from: meYou just keep getting more ridiculous.
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2015, 08:57:24 AM
Your opinion and yours alone.
Not hardly. You think I don't tell these stories to my friends?
Quote
I couldn't care less.
So again, you keep avoiding where these SUUUUUPPER SEEEECRET ELITE SCIENCE FORUMS are? I mean where? Could you point me to a few? I tried googling for "super secret elite science forum" (with quotes and got zero hits and the first hits without quotes were all conspiracy sites).
Seriously, why do you keep telling yourself these stories? Is your life really so sad that you have to make things up, post them here (perhaps telling yourself you're half-joking) just to feel good? I mean you post a lot so clearly you like it. Your posts are mostly made up shit. So that seems to fit. :)
Sarkeizen:'Your posts are mostly made up shit.'
Mr sarkeizen is mr pukhoff QUALIFIED to be a good scientist?
Puthoff
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2015, 09:08:40 AM
Mr sarkeizen is mr pukhoff QUALIFIED to be a good scientist?
You claimed that there are all sorts of scientists congregating on "elite science forums" right?
Why is it so hard to get you to name one now? Did they all disappear? :)
Sarkeizen:'Why is it so hard to get you to name one now? Did they all disappear? :)'
Why would you need one mr sarkeizen they'l get into shit if their bosses see them linked to a frei-energie website.we have rebels at hand with excellent qualifications that we can refer to like...uhhhm..mr puthoff mr sarkeizen.MR PUTHOFF mr sarkeizen.PUTHOFF.P.U.T.H.O.F.F
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2015, 10:16:11 AM
Why would you need one mr sarkeizen
Because you made a claim that seems made up. It would be nice to see some evidence for once. Alas, your dreamed-up forums don't exist do they? It's just part of the fantasy you keep telling people (or perhaps yourself).
Sarkeizen:'Because you made a claim that seems made up.'
It wont seem madeup to those in the know mr sarkeizen.it will seem madeup to those in the not-know.it was aimed at the knows.
Sarkeizen:'Alas, your dreamed-up forums don't exist do they?'
Is it hard to believe that forums exist where qualified scientists discuss their issues?even after puthoff came onto the stage?
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2015, 12:25:38 PM
Is it hard to believe that forums exist where qualified scientists discuss their issues?
a) It's hard to believe someone who lies as much as you do. Try not doing that sometime. :)
b) It's hard to believe that there is a forum where academic professors (your words) discuss something they can't discuss around the watercooler and in the lounges or bars.
c) It's hard to believe that they are all sworn to secrecy only talking about these things in the cloak and dagger seeeeeecret forums that you claim exist but can't point to.
Sarkeizen'a) It's hard to believe someone who lies as much as you do.'
I don't believe you
Sarkeizen'b) It's hard to believe that there is a forum where academic professors (your words) discuss something they can't discuss around the watercooler and in the lounges or bars.'
They may discuss it where they like but not LOUD,which is what I said if you had bothered to pay attention
Sarkeizen'c) It's hard to believe that they are all sworn to secrecy only talking about these things in the cloak and dagger seeeeeecret forums that you claim exist but can't point to.'
Who said anything about oaths?
Once again, to those who are mentioning Dr. Puthoff... I have given you the link to the ETI website where his telephone number and email addresses are posted publicly. I suggest _once again_ you contact him yourselves and see whether or not he endorses the ideas and claims for which you are using his name in an attempt to gain "credibility". You may find yourselves surprised and even embarrassed by what you learn.
Tinselkoala:'I suggest _once again_ you contact him yourselves and see whether or not he endorses the ideas and claims for which you are using his name in an attempt to gain "credibility". You may find yourselves surprised and even embarrassed by what you learn.'
Did you contact him
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2015, 01:52:17 PM
They may discuss it where they like but not LOUD
...and somehow never gets said to people in that field in the many institutions I've worked with. So no, if you're correct it has to be super seeeeecret.
Again you could clear this up with just by posting a few links but because you made up this big story about some big conspiracy to avoid having to support your fiction. :) :) :)
Sarkeizen'and somehow never gets said to people in that field
in the many institutions I've worked with'
You were never directly involved with quantum physicists and their work.thus you're in no position to say
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2015, 02:34:56 PM
Tinselkoala:'I suggest _once again_ you contact him yourselves and see whether or not he endorses the ideas and claims for which you are using his name in an attempt to gain "credibility". You may find yourselves surprised and even embarrassed by what you learn.'
Did you contact him
Not in regard to this matter, no, so he will be entirely "unpolluted" by my opinions on the subject. So call him or email him and see what he thinks. He's quite a nice man and I'm sure he'll be very polite in setting you straight. Since you and Raz brought him up... I really think you should "check your work" and see if you are representing his thoughts correctly.
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2015, 03:43:21 PM
You were never directly involved with quantum physicists and their work.
The statement in question was: "They never talk about it at the watercooler, in lounges or in bars" (I could add: "at conferences"). So unless you've been following me to all those places you're in no position to say. :)
Again you could clear this up with a few links but since you don't want that. It's a good thing you invented (another) big conspiracy theory that somehow people on the internet can't be told otherwise they would rat them out and they would be dismissed on the spot. Somehow in your entirely made-up ideas about universities you forgot to include things like faculty associations which can do troublesome things like lay a grievance against the university for such an unwarranted firing.
But hey...how would you know ANYTHING about universities?
Tinselkoala' So call
him or email him and see what he thinks. '
Well if he didn't write it,who did?
Sarkeizen:'the statement in question was: "They never talk
about it at the watercooler, in lounges or in bars" (I
could add: "at conferences"). So unless you've been
following me to all those places you're in no position
to say. :)'
Even if you were snorting cocain with them they still would not discuss such issues with an outsider,however,rebels do exist and do leak,especially nowadays with internet.
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2015, 04:06:47 PM
Even if you were snorting cocain with them they still would not discuss such issues with an outsider
Didn't you deny that there was some oath of silence earlier and now you claim there is? Didn't you say that proof was a "few clicks away"? How could proof be a few clicks away if it's a private forum? If it's not a private forum then why would they post something there that they wouldn't say at a bar. If it's an anonymous public forum then how could someone "out" them?
I guess you didn't realize you were cornered before so now you have to lie your way out. :)
Isn't it interesting how this could all be cleared up with just a few links. It's a good thing you made up a story about some big conspiracy to save you validating this clearly made-up nest of secret elite science forums.
Seriously, who buys the crap you make up. :)
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Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2015, 07:27:24 PM
Dr. Puthoff would laugh out loud, right in your faces Raz and TA, if he ever came across this thread. You can contact him directly and ask him for yourself if you like:
http://earthtech.org/about/ (http://earthtech.org/about/)
(Actually he's much to polite for that. But he'll be laughing inside, just the same.)
I normally dont answer to trolls or stupid people and you classify in both categories, but your comment regarding this is completely retarded. If you even read that page and saw the video, it is Dr.Puthoff talking about free energy . No one else. So you are implying that he would laugh about himself ? About talking of free energy and the cassimir effect? He is not talking about magnetic vortices , so why would he laugh about this thread, when he is specifically saying that there is free energy to be tapped and that there are a lot of scientists around the world working on it?? He would laugh about the vortices in magnets?? Really? I would further antagonize you but I think TA have done a very good job showing how really ignorant you are. I will keep you in the blocked retarded trolls drawer. ;D Now to the real people , back to the magnetics vortices discussion.
Raz, don't waste your time with guys who don't want to see beyond the covers of official science books. They feel good only copying others work and playing with what they are given, without leaving the peace and security offered by scientific dogma, scientific ignorance and its priest.
They would have said the same thing about Dr. Mallove and his support of cold fusion theory. But now he's beyond their arrogance and ignorance!
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYIK_OpxiZw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYIK_OpxiZw)
They are educated to always argue against everything someone say that don't fit in the current scientific paradigm, or worse, against their own dogmatic beliefs and certitudes. They are the ideal product of current human society! Faithful parishioners of a religious cult called science, shaped by the dictum "believe and do not research beyond what you are allowed"!
Ya don't worry about it raz otherwise it gets too hot in here
I want to share this... it is not exactly magnetic vortices , but they may be forming inside the water vortices. This is exactly what Schauberger observed and did ( or merely a part of it to be more accurate as Schauberger did so much more)
There is a page that calls my attention about cold fusion. Schauberger claimed in one of his papers to have obtained different elements from his vortices and to have compounded new ones using his methods. This sound like a valid replication of that.
"At the Technical University in Berlin Alexander Kern constructed a system to improve water quality, based on a geometry similar to the Messiah -Machine. The machine worked
with a high speed of rotation and a small radius. The binding of oxygen to the water was much stronger than in systems where air is blown through the water. After 8 hour of
operation he measured about 20 grams of different metals produced inside the system. These metals definitely where not part of the machine, which was entirely built out of iron
and ceramics. Apart from that at a certain speed the system "shoot back" and destroyed the pipes leading to the central element, no matter which material he used. "
page 17.
http://www.buch-der-synergie.de/archiv/harald_essay_eng.pdf
Quote from: sadang on April 23, 2015, 01:31:25 AM
They are educated to always argue against everything someone say that don't fit in the current scientific paradigm, or worse, against their own dogmatic beliefs and certitudes.
Shhhhh SeaMonkey - you know less than nothing. :)
Quote from: profitis on April 23, 2015, 02:53:37 AM
Ya don't worry about it raz otherwise it gets too hot in here
So are you going to provide links to your super secret science forums? Which has now conveniently morphed into a secret society with strict code of conduct. Do you still stick to your made up story that people on the internet would get them fired. :)
Seriously it's like you've never met or socialized with academics ever. :)
Sarkeizen:'It's a good thing you made up a story about some big conspiracy to save you validating this clearly made-up nest of secret elite science forums.'
Who said anything about conspiracies? In 1945 there was a coupla guys working on an a-bomb but there was no 'conspiracy' amongst the physicists.nonetheless info did leak faster than you can flick flies off a shit,and that was military stuff(!)
Sarkeizen:'So are you going to provide links'
No.Forget it
Quote from: profitis on April 23, 2015, 09:40:04 AM
Who said anything about conspiracies?
You did. You said there was a conspiracy - an agreement among physicists to keep absolutely silent about something - UNLESS someone shows them their quantum physicist membership card. :)
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In 1945 there was a coupla guys working on an a-bomb
In 1945 the first nuclear device was completed. The trinity test was in July. The Manhattan Project employed over 100,000 people at it's height.
Again you could validate your nonsense claims just by posting some links to websites - they were only a few clicks away when you first started lying. Why are they now super secret clubhouses with strict membership codes? Which you are somehow still afraid to release because even though they won't talk to outsiders they could still get fired....somehow?
It's way too funny the way you think academics work. :)
Sarkeizen'an agreement among physicists to keep absolutely silent about something'
There is no agreement.same as it was in the manhatten project's direct circle of physicists.
Sarkeizen'The Manhattan Project employed over 100,000 people at it's height.'
Only of which a handful understood what they were doing.the inner circle.
Sarkeizen' Why are they now super secret clubhouses with strict membership codes? Which you are somehow still afraid to release'
There are no clubhouses,there are no written codes of conduct.it is just considered impolite to publicly acknowledge perpetual motion machines in these circles amongst all the top varsities of the world
Quote from: profitis on April 23, 2015, 11:20:15 AM
There is no agreement.same as it was in the manhatten project's direct circle of physicists.
So there was a deliberate attempt at information sequestering by an organized governing group? That's what they did in the Manhattan project. Feynman mentions this in his memoirs.
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There are no clubhouses
Apparently there are clubhouses - forums where ONLY specific people are allowed in?
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it is just considered impolite
Nope. If someone would NEVER disclose something unless they show their membership card then that's clearly not politeness.
Quoteto publicly acknowledge
Talking around the watercooler, lounge and bar is not "publicly acknowledging".
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amongst all the top varsities of the world
Which is clearly made up. :)
But of course if you provide these "few clicks away" links....lololololol
Sarkeizen:'That's what they did in the Manhattan project. Feynman mentions this in his memoirs.'
So let me get this straight,the handful inner circle top physicists were closely watched by the army and secret police,and yet information dribbled outa there?at the same time?
Quote from: profitis on April 23, 2015, 12:38:37 PM
So let me get this straight,the handful inner circle top physicists were closely watched by the army and secret police,and yet information dribbled outa there?at the same time?
The information was sequestered meaning very few people knew the overall picture and fewer knew how all the pieces of the bomb went together. This was controlled in part by the military. There's a whole story where Feynman wanted to tell the people who were distilling uranium nitrate how the bomb worked but the military opposed.
Furthermore the scientists were, mostly sequestered at Los Alamos and their mail was censored.
Sooooo you're saying your delusion of a fraternity of physicists all agreeing on OU being real is just like that.
So again you could clear this up with a few links which you were willing to give until you realized you needed to lie your way out of your nonsense. :)
Sarkeizen'Sooooo you're saying a fraternity of physicists all agreeing on OU being real is just like that.'
Ya but much less policing.so if information can escape an army and strict censorship,and sequestering in the middle of a killer-desert don't you think that at least some of these physicist-turned-rebels who dare speak against the grain of established physics might just be occasionally correct? I think its statisticly probable
Quote from: profitis on April 23, 2015, 02:02:06 PM
Ya but much less policing.
Despite your near constant double-talk. You still are describing an enormous conspiracy of silence. Just to cover up your lies about "elite science forums". Sheesh.
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I think its statisticly probable
Only because you don't understand what you are talking about. :) Stupid people make that kind of mistake a lot. :)
I came across this thing about quantum field theory on the 'tube.
"Particles,fields and the future of physics" given by Sean Carroll at Fermilab.
There's only one way things work, it's just a matter finding it.
John.
Quote from: minnie on April 27, 2015, 06:23:07 AM
I came across this thing about quantum field theory on the 'tube.
"Particles,fields and the future of physics" given by Sean Carroll at Fermilab.
There's only one way things work, it's just a matter finding it.
John.
Those demented assholes of quantum, ....even the MAD HATTER could NOT come up with a more insanely IMPOSSIBLE universe than the crap spit out by QM and GR
There IS ONLY ONE WAY THINGS WORK, ......that much is true
and here it is.............. its just THIS SIMPLE (see pic)
And the BS called "Zero point energy", its just inertia, ie the Ether.
I really liked that film and basically it all looks pretty much the same as TA. says.
I particularly liked the piece about the frog and the fog, it explains photons in a way
I can understand.
John.
I was looking forward to Raz and Sadang overturning what we think we
might know.........................
John.
Is there anybody out there? I've just been doin' my own bit of research
and have come across Henry Moseley and his contribution to sorting the
periodic table. He was sent to war and killed in 1915 at bout age 27.
Another thing I turned up was an experiment which appears to show
wave-particle properties when Buckyballs are tested.
John.
Good for you John! Just keep doing your own bit of research about the origin of the periodic table and his father. Mendeleev last periodic table was not the current well-known one. Just continue... and don't wait others to overturn what you should find and understand by yourself, because it's unfair for both, you and them!
sadang,
I just love your snide remarks.
John.
hey TA is that lady statue lady in your post a creation of Hero of Alexandria where he designed a statue that pours wine?
Quote from: joel321 on May 17, 2015, 01:09:51 AM
hey TA is that lady statue lady in your post a creation of Hero of Alexandria where he designed a statue that pours wine?
No, it is known as the Heron Fountain. It was constructed along time ago using the precursor to JB Weld.
Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maFjn3pSdoo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maFjn3pSdoo)
Bill
At any rate TA, you have to take inconsideration the influential laws of the human understanding also. It has come to my attention that sometimes you have to be a clown to entertain those that are not capable to understand instead of trying to make them understand.
By looking at the opposite side of things, you have to understand the laws of light, air, sound, liquid, solid, gravity... I believe that there is .0001 percent of people that understand them all. BUT at the same time, if you can understand magnetism in the root level, you can pretty much understand light, sound, evolution, etc. Closer to truth!
I personally believe that you have found new fresh understandings about magnetism. BUT since this world is all about making money, it is very hard to make others understand what brilliant mind you have. What benfinits people could get by understanding 3d angles. Why? Well, perfect example is Tesla VS Edison. I'm sure you encounter 99% of the people that don't know what you are talking about because 99% of the peoples' minds are Hollywood corrupt=GREED.
It goes deep but at the end, it is something that you understand. It is something that it took many years to understand. It is something that can potentially be more INNOVATING than what the average 'scientist' knows today. I'm 100% certain you are stepping on some bright ideas.
In conclusion, magnetism is NOT the only force that creates life. If you even think about your body that has to eat food at least three times a day, one has to think about how magnetism eats food? Maybe, it is magnetic by the food it eats? Yeah it takes thinking and experimenting. IT IS NOT SCIENCE< IT IS MOTHER NATURE! lol
Quote from: joel321 on May 17, 2015, 01:47:09 AM
At any rate TA, you have to take inconsideration the influential laws of the human understanding also. It has come to my attention that sometimes you have to be a clown to entertain those that are not capable to understand instead of trying to make them understand.
By looking at the opposite side of things, you have to understand the laws of light, air, sound, liquid, solid, gravity... I believe that there is .0001 percent of people that understand them all. BUT at the same time, if you can understand magnetism in the root level, you can pretty much understand light, sound, evolution, etc. Closer to truth!
I personally believe that you have found new fresh understandings about magnetism. BUT since this world is all about making money, it is very hard to make others understand what brilliant mind you have. What benfinits people could get by understanding 3d angles. Why? Well, perfect example is Tesla VS Edison. I'm sure you encounter 99% of the people that don't know what you are talking about because 99% of the peoples' minds are Hollywood corrupt=GREED.
It goes deep but at the end, it is something that you understand. It is something that it took many years to understand. It is something that can potentially be more INNOVATING than what the average 'scientist' knows today. I'm 100% certain you are stepping on some bright ideas.
In conclusion, magnetism is NOT the only force that creates life. If you even think about your body that has to eat food at least three times a day, one has to think about how magnetism eats food? Maybe, it is magnetic by the food it eats? Yeah it takes thinking and experimenting. IT IS NOT SCIENCE< IT IS MOTHER NATURE! lol
What? Who can afford to eat three times/day? I eat once/day and have for about 6 years or so. This is part of Obama's plan for folks to lose weight. If he takes all of our money, we can't afford to eat very much and we are all thin now. Brilliant.
Bill
Bill, In the USA about 70% of the people are over weight and of those about 30% are obese...regarding statistics! It has nothing to do with Obama. There will be a new elected president (like it has before) and overweight population will still be the same. (like it was before Obama was president) YAWWWNN!
Yet more points to deduct from your sanity, bill. lol
NOT TO MENTION that you basically quoted me but just focused on the last sentence of what I wrote...lol.
People do need to eat food at least three times a day to be living a healthy life. Mother nature provides food for FREEE...air is food, water is food, sound is 'food'...all of the food is SUPPOSE to be FREE by mother nature. But somehow the corruption now takes ownership of the land and one needs to pay to own land. The only reason they don't charge for air is because the corrupt minds have not figured out how to charge to breathe air...but once they do, trust me, you will pay to breathe air.
At any rate, bill, you will be surprised how making money is easy and that is what you are focusing the most on. all of what TA is doing is what a scientist making 200, 000 USD a year does too. There is no difference between what a 'non-certified' scientists thinks about VS a certified scientists thinks about...the only barrier is greed. In effect, money does not make intelligence NOR evolution. The universe was not created by money nor GREED!
Quote from: joel321 on May 17, 2015, 02:27:05 AM
Bill, In the USA about 70% of the people are over weight and of those about 30% are obese...regarding statistics! It has nothing to do with Obama. There will be a new elected president (like it has before) and overweight population will still be the same. (like it was before Obama was president) YAWWWNN!
Yet more points to deduct from your sanity, bill. lol
But, everyone I know can not afford to eat more than once/day. We all used to eat 3 meals/day. I do not even know anyone that is overweight. I am 6' and down to 170 pounds. I actually cooked some hamburgers on the grill last weekend and it was the first meat I could afford in 3 months. Where are these overweight folks you are talking about? If you mean the folks on food stamps, then I agree. All of them in line at the store are very overweight and buy terrible foods that my tax dollars pay for. I was speaking of the folks that actually work for a living.
Bill
I already told you bill that making money is easy...it's all a matter of understanding how three dimensional things work. It takes three errors to understand the solution!
The problem with you is that you are blaming things that are inside your bubble that you cannot let go off. The facts are that 70% of the USA population is overweight. That means that the GREED likes to keep them chubby to buy fast foods = profits.
On the other side of the token, GREED also likes to keep people in the dark. Uneducated. Keeping them guessing! At the end of the tunnel, there is nothing really hard to understand from what they know!
One just needs to fight for it though! No fear getting in the way! Just focusing on the END GOAL!
Do you actually believe that you cannot do a 'root canal' that dentists get payed thousands of dollars to do? http://i.imgur.com/gfDD8aZ.gif which they did not even make the tools, they are just using them!
Some interesting photos about the perfect geometric egg shaped void of frozen water around a magnet:
- http://kathodos.com/magneticegg.jpg
- http://kathodos.com/magneticegg2.jpg
- http://kathodos.com/egg2.jpg
- http://kathodos.com/egg3.jpg
and the video files:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwG1p5C5miQ
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM60KSPGK_0
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-oaPxuh-uM
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dqJXBrKGTU
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdCzV5Grc1k
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_kjT5sEgGU
Quote from: joel321 on May 17, 2015, 03:02:51 AM
I already told you bill that making money is easy...it's all a matter of understanding how three dimensional things work. It takes three errors to understand the solution!
The problem with you is that you are blaming things that are inside your bubble that you cannot let go off. The facts are that 70% of the USA population is overweight. That means that the GREED likes to keep them chubby to buy fast foods = profits.
On the other side of the token, GREED also likes to keep people in the dark. Uneducated. Keeping them guessing! At the end of the tunnel, there is nothing really hard to understand from what they know!
One just needs to fight for it though! No fear getting in the way! Just focusing on the END GOAL!
Do you actually believe that you cannot do a 'root canal' that dentists get payed thousands of dollars to do? http://i.imgur.com/gfDD8aZ.gif (http://i.imgur.com/gfDD8aZ.gif) which they did not even make the tools, they are just using them!
Yes, funny that 47% of Americans are on food stamps and, as you said, are probably mostly overweight. The thing I do not like is that the Gov. takes my money (because I work) and gives it to them and leaves me with barely enough to get by. Twice in my life I had earned well over $100,00/year but, the Gov. just decided that I needed to pay even more so, still not much left. You are right, I could easily make more money if I applied myself but, I don't have the will to do so as all they will do is to take most of it anyway. 39 cents from every dollar I earn goes to taxes, and yet, the welfare folks make almost 3 times what I get to take home. (I am adding in Federal, State, County and city taxes for this figure.)
Bill
Hi Ken,
I've recently come across your work and have enjoyed reading the first e-book on the archive site (I can't download them from here for some reason?), I have a few questions if you have time to get back.
1. Regarding your explanation on the dielectric inertial plane which is at the centre of the permanent magnet, where would this dielectric inertial plane be with a toroidal or cylindrical tube shaped permanent magnet with field contained inside the material looping back on itself (following the path of the circumference, like replicating the field around a DC wire) I'm assuming it would be in the free space (air) at the centre?
2. Regarding your explanation with power cables and the ether vortex is between the L and N wires would this still be the case if a single wire was ran from a battery + around a room and back to the battery - terminal, this would imply the vortex is in the middle of the room?
I also would be grateful if you could have a quick look at my simple permanent magnet motor I've posted on this forum for dissection. See attached drawings and link
http://overunity.com/15774/permanent-magnet-motor/#.VVsNQ7lViko
Many thanks
Jim
Hi Ken: Is the new edition of your book available? If it is let me know where to download. Thanks , Raz.
Haha apophasis waar is jy jou naai,sekermaar steeds op die strand en stukkies kont loer.. Wat maak jy wats nuut jy..
QuoteYes, funny that 47% of Americans are on food stamps and, as you said, are probably mostly overweight. The thing I do not like is that the Gov. takes my money (because I work) and gives it to them and leaves me with barely enough to get by. Twice in my life I had earned well over $100,00/year but, the Gov. just decided that I needed to pay even more so, still not much left. You are right, I could easily make more money if I applied myself but, I don't have the will to do so as all they will do is to take most of it anyway. 39 cents from every dollar I earn goes to taxes, and yet, the welfare folks make almost 3 times what I get to take home. (I am adding in Federal, State, County and city taxes for this figure.)
Well bill, things need to change. Who GAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE 39 CENTS FROM YOUR DOLLAR? I'm sure I don't get 39 cents from every dollar that you make? I don't even get a penny! I am being robbed the same way you are! Who said that I need to pay 39 cents from every dollar that I make to the "big brother"? Big brother does NOT own the universe? "big brother" does not create life!!! ONLY GREED and MANIPULATION makes it OK to take peoples HARD EARN money like nothing!
Just think about it!!!! The government MANIPUALTES the cash flow! They can print many dollars in the billions. For them it is probably 5 cents to a printed dollar, for us it is hard labor to earn a dollar.
NOW WE HAVE TO DO THE MATH!!!!
WHO ELECTED THE PEOPLE TO PRINT MONEY? AND< WHO TOLD THOSE PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN CONTROL THE MONEY PRINTING FACUTRIES?
Well they are so use to CONTROLLING their sheep that they have nothing to worry about...you will obey like a drone like you have always done! Lol you are too afraid to fight because you will...well, you can't fight when your mind is corrupted. = 90% of the population.
How can you tell what's it like to be on one side of the token and on the other?
Imagine you are printing money and collecting 39 cents for every dollar they make? Can you picture yourself being in the life of the collector? :)
How would you feel if you could print money FREELY and collect 39 cents for every dollar "they" earned? Would you not feel like a thief?
Or how does that work?
Who told they can take money MANDATORY from what I earn the hard way? AND why can't I take money from them in return from every dollar they make?
SO, you see the GREED! TELL ME FROM WHO DO YOU TAKE MONEY LEGALLY FROM EVERY DOLLAR THEY EARN? NOW TELL WHO TAKES #( CENTS FROM EVERY DOLLAR THEY MAKE "Legally"?
You have your own right to PROTEST! NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TAKE 39 CENTS FROM YOUR DOLLAR EARN IF YOU DID NOT GAVE IT AWAY! That is thief! Believe me, I see what you mean, but the CONFUSION needs to get organized.
You are telling me all of this in a sub forum regarding magnetic stuff, while you are trying to get it off your chest why you are pro-vaccines and pro-magnetism.
You need to organize your thoughts to make it clear. at this point, your mind is corrupt that it will take time to see the truth! STILL, with that corrupt mind!!! there is no TRUTH you can know! You are just the typical GREEED confused individual.
^very true. BTW, I'm a Mexican and not a white boy. It is tricky to dye my hair blond and blend in to not get discriminated upon.
But yes, you have a point...money talks bullshit walks. Everyone has their price in dollar bills. The effect of GREED! if I tell you to kiss my feet for one million dollars, most likely you will and there will be people cutting in line. lol most will do it for 100 dollars. Lets do a scientific study. lol
Did you not tell me to suck your dick? I would not even for one million dollars. That goes to show the strength beliefs system I have for the truth! I choose not to be manipulated by GREED!!! Though I find it that making money is not hard, mostly is SOCIALISM! ALPHA MALE!
QuoteUr a mexicano on white turf? I don't believe this for a second white boy but ok IF your a mexicano on white turf,why complain?ur an ungrateful idiot right?
What is a "white turf"? Lol you are just blinded yourself.
With out going DEEPER in to your reference of "white turf", how do you know the difference between a "white turf" VS a "black turf" lol
QuoteThen your an idiot coz someone else will.and that someone else will live mighty comfortable and get laid while you complain.
Well to go deep, you do not have a VAGINA! DO YOU? I'm pretty sure you are ugly in the face too! STILL lol you do not have the genitalia that I would like to fuck! FOR FREEE! I am a man made to fuck by nature, not to suck for no amount of money! Is not like you are a millionaire giving a million dollars out cash out to whom ever sucks your dick? Lol
I'm amazed how females can get impregnated easy for FREEE even if they have husbands. Lol The return to the guy is pleasure and not money! Truth is pleasure plus understanding....MONEY corrupts the mind!
Why do you need someone else to suck your dick when your wife can do it 24/7? lol unless you got bored of that?
^I'll fuck your vagina for free on your birthday mr profitis..lol...does not matter what color panties you wear. lol :P if you are gay, I'll stick it in your butt for free...but you have to buy the disinfectant towels to clean the shit off my D! Also, you have to give me money for sticking it in your b-hole.
Profitis, you are more of a joke to me than a challenge but I do understand what you mean. I'm actually a Mexican in the USA that can make 20 USD an hour. I'm not rich by no means but the FREE money is easy!
With out going in to details, ACTUALLY, profitis, you would be very rich in the USA with that mentality!
1- making money is hard that only "white folks" make.
2- making money is easy that only stupid asses can't make.
3- making money does not discriminate!
4- lets discriminate on people to make money! :P
Profitis, are you a prostitute that will take 1000 USD to get you in bed? I would find spending 10,000 USD dollars on sticking it in your butt a waste of money! lol
QuoteI want a man with muney
lol.....you go "scientists" girl...lol
Joel' would find spending 10,000 USD
dollars on sticking it in your butt a waste of money!'
This is why you will remain a poor complainent and without a girlfrend for the rest of your life.you don't wana take chances,risks.stimulating risks.
Joel'lol.....you go "scientists" girl...lol'
sexist prick.you don't believe that girls can be scientists?disgusting I'm not surprised that you're single and ima slap your face for this
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I think some one has hacked profitis's account--or he is really drunk.
Hehe sorry guys its gettin boring here nowadays I'm lookin for a fite but ok I chillout nice calm quiet :)
On a more related things, i'm wondering if profitis has stumbled upon QuantumLevitation
https://youtu.be/VyOtIsnG71U
Which really shows a lot of stuff regarding he understanding of magnetism and maybe even "gravity". From my HVAC classes, cooling is the process of removing heat. From my limited understadings of the dark space, it is very cold. I'm not sure how cold it is in the "darkest" spots in the universe but from the looks of it it is VERY VERY COLD. Which in the quamtum levitation shows that "super" cold has a "connection" with magnetism that's humanly noticeable.
This entertaining video also shows the still yet to be learned the mysteries of electricity.
https://youtu.be/L5E4NiP4hpM
That correlate with magnetism IMO.
In my beliefs of believing that FREEE energy is achievable, this reminds me of the SUN!!!! FREE ENERGY TILL IT EXTINGUISHES!!!! (where there are billions of suns in the universe that where "lit" somehow by FREEEE energy" :), also how air is only created in the atmosphere and not in space). Though i'm pretty sure that there are waves of energy that cary around gravity and cold.
Profitis is bored because he needs someone to teach him how to make money...lol = money hungry and not truth dumbo! He believes that there are no cats in America.
TI don't know if it means much to A LOT of people but I was amazed how at 3:22 the light ONLY made an audible signal that could be perceptive by the human ear when the electricity was trying to make a "connection" with the could AND the audible signal whenT silent when there was 100% connection. = toooo fast of a sound for our ears. = gibberish!
Now with this, I'm wondering if what we perceive to be the fastest speed (light), ONLY actually means that IT's ONLY THE FASTEST PERCEPTION WE CAN PERCIEVE!!!!
In the video, at 3:22 you could not hear any audible electric signals because the frequency was sooooo high for human ears. BUT, from that I understand that the same "code" can be tranfered in the high or low frequencies. Which in a crazy way shows that light is a frequency that is not the fastest speed. After all, a photon has laws of nature to obey?
Please discuss smart things here and not irrelevant stuff! Believe it or not, COLORS in the electric gap also means ALOT!!!!
SO I feel like there is something faster than the speed of light and at this point I don't care who is fastest since that is irrelevant if sound was to compete in a race with light.
Joel:'Profitis is bored because he needs someone to teach
him how to make money...lol = money hungry and
not truth dumbo! He believes that there are no cats in
America.'
Ahh please you won't last two days outside of your country's border mr complaino.people risk their lives tryin to get into your country and my country(the richest on my continent).they don't complain.
Joel:'On a more related things, i'm wondering if profitis
has stumbled upon QuantumLevitation'
Mm back to the threads subject yes ima chek this out quik
Quote from: joel321 on May 27, 2015, 04:33:12 AM
SO I feel like there is something faster than the speed of light and at this point I don't care who is fastest since that is irrelevant if sound was to compete in a race with light.
hahaha
If you could make the sun disappear with the snap of two fingers, all the planets (including Pluto) would veer off their orbital courses immediately while it would still take 7 minutes for light to stop hitting Earth. So how much faster is gravity compared to light. 1 million times, 2, 3, 100. Who knows.
About photons, nice try by science but this is just another falsehood to try and explain action at a distance. Man has to absolutely have something travelling between the source of light and the observer because we do not trust the observers atoms who just sense light and do not needs photons.
wattsup
Ahh but Wattsup, does Gravity propagate ? Does magnetism propagate ? because with light as a wave then the speed of light simply means the propagation velocity. If gravity and magnetism propagate then they need to given a propagation speed. You got one ?
A permanent magnet has a static magnetic field, if you make a magnet disappear instantly then it's field must also disappear instantly ? Why not the same for the sun and it's gravity ?
In other words if the Suns gravity does not propagate then it has no speed, which is why the gravitational field would disappear instantly.
Gravity no speed = static
Light speed = propagation speed.
If we look at an electromagnet then we see that the magnet itself does not need to disappear, only the electric current that manifests the magnetism needs to disappear, and electric current has the restriction of the rate of charge flow.
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And just to throw it in here this I think shows why Dollard's faster than light propagation claim is false. And the Article I think reinforces what Tesla said but in greater detail.
See the link for full detail. http://www.mtt-serbia.org.rs/microwave_review/pdf/Vol12No2-10-ZBlazevic.pdf
QuoteThe electromagnetic wave propagation concept of Tesla is
presented in Fig. 5. It relays on the assumption of the charge
redistribution across the globe, in which the earth current
driven by the TMT voltage passes through the Earth along the
diameter with a velocity equal
or close to the speed of light c
.
The instant velocity of a
Tesla surface wave is then
determined from the simple geometry, assuming Earth as an
ideal smooth sphere of diameter D
Then, it is easy to show that "the waves on the terrestrial
surface sweep in equal intervals over equal areas" [14].
Because the wave with the infinite velocity does not cross any
distance, the infinity does not
pose a theoretical problem.
The problems all seem to arise because of other peoples misunderstanding of exactly what Tesla claimed in that respect.
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QuoteAhh please you won't last two days outside of your country's border mr complaino.people risk their lives tryin to get into your country and my country(the richest on my continent).they don't complain.
lol when you say "my continent" how much money did they pay for it to mother nature? Your ignorance is trying to view who has more money.
Air waves can make the sound of the number 1. Light waves can make the sound of number 1. Colors can make the "wave" figure of number 1. the number "1" is DNA encoded. But the beautiful things is that it's all a matter of "evolution" for FREEE. A little baby did not pay to be born just like you did not!
There are A LOT of BEAUTIFUL things to YET be learned but your mind if FOGGED by GREED! UNDERSTANDING MONEY SHOULD BE REALLY STUPID TO MAKE! ;D
QuoteMm back to the threads subject yes ima chek this out quik
For some reason you have a mentality that you have FIGURED OUT EVERYTHING IN LIFE! = CLOSED MINDED! = NO EVOLUTION COMMING FROM YOUR BRAIN!
the videos I posted show a lot of things that should be pretty simple understood by your average overunity guru, but your mind ignored them COMPLETLY! = not that smart of a person as you believe to be! AND THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT EVENTUALLY IF YOU GET "STUDIED" further!
For one, no relevant comments regarding the PHENOMENA of the videos! AS IF YOUR MIND UNDERSTAND THEM 100% AND YOU WANT TO TEACH ME WHAT I CAN'T SEE!
Mr profitis I hope you don't become a person like sarkchiken, but then again if you do, it had to be done.
This is not a world to make enemies, this is a world to find solutions and have fun! Like the pleasure one gets when one sleeps with a female. And why we find babies cute!!!!
You are talking about SURVIVING in your GHETTO life. You don't have the brain capabilities to think further in life!!! Which is kind of entertaining! Lol. You are the one complaining about MONEY! Lol. IF YOU HAD ENOUGH<YOU WOULD NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT IT!!lol
QuoteI want a man with muney
There are Evidence passing our nose way too fast to comprehend. Profitis you do not have an explanation for such things! e.g. https://youtu.be/L5E4NiP4hpM
At 0:08 you can see the electricity "bursting" in to the air from the wire. (maybe dispersing)...language lingo gets in the way! STILL the energy is coming from the COIL! ok.
Now at 1:20 in the video the same SPARKS can be seen from the guy holding the wire. AS IF THE SAME OUTPUT BY THE COIL IS GIVEN IN TO THE GUY HOLDING THE WIRE!!!! Why would the same electricity would come from a human holding a wire from the same it's coil?
Well it would be a waste of time to "debate" any of this things if you are 100% sure. The "spark" was the same coming from the guy holding the wire to the coil? As if the guy was a coil himself!!!
But like I said, this will pass your INTELLIGENCE easy! = blinded by sight and mind! = kiss the ass of evolution goodbye!
There are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more things to dissect past your ignorance of GREED!
people like pictures
Joel'There are A LOT of BEAUTIFUL things to YET be learned but your mind if FOGGED by GREED! UNDERSTANDING MONEY SHOULD BE REALLY STUPID TO MAKE! ;D'
Err you won't get me to open my legs like this mr complaino.I need lipstick and a new car.and quit touching my ass
Joel'Lol. You are the one complaining about MONEY! Lol.'
I'm complaining about about your complaints.you mentioned the word 'greed' about 3000 times.what's your solution to eliminate this fundamental human emotion.now we really wana hear this mr complaino
Joel'the videos I posted show a lot of things that should be pretty simple understood by your average overunity guru, but your mind ignored them COMPLETLY! = not that smart of a person as you believe to be! AND THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT EVENTUALLY IF YOU GET "STUDIED" further!'
Ok so let's go deep into quantum mechanics then.answer this one question:'who are you'.if you can answer this one question correctly then you are well on the way to quantum enlightenment.veryfew can answer this simpleton question correctly.the answer to all things quantum begin here
Quote from: joel321 on May 28, 2015, 04:43:00 AM
people like pictures
Sure they do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULDh8sTc8Kw
Who am I? I am me, nobody else.
QuoteI'm complaining about about your complaints.you mentioned the word 'greed' about 3000 times.what's your solution to eliminate this fundamental human emotion.now we really wana hear this mr complaino
Well I mentioned the word GREED a lot of times because it is a VIRUS in the mind of 99% of the people. Including yourself you are blinded by it 100%.
The solution to it is pretty simple. The people should get rid of the "big brother" controlling the individual. In effect, the more money you have the less value it has! When every human in the world is rich, there would be no poverty and no human being able to manipulate each other. NO cry baby complaining about money!
GREED is what is controlling your mind right now! You work for money daily. You are a slave for GREED! Which changes your mind of a better world. Your whole goal today, at present time, is to make LOTS OF MONEY. Right? You believe that being rich will make you happy and prosperous?
The ONLY reason you cannot see past money is because your lacking of it. I'm sure you would label me as a god if I have you a million dollars!
This thread is not about money but the understanding about our PHENOMENA live that we live in. which is pretty BEAUTIFUL to understand. No money gets in the way of understanding mother nature!
QuoteOk so let's go deep into quantum mechanics then.answer this one question:'who are you'.if you can answer this one question correctly then you are well on the way to quantum enlightenment.veryfew can answer this simpleton question correctly.the answer to all things quantum begin here
Who am I? Just waves of matter. To verify me as human in an oscilloscope, it's only a matter to plug two cables on my body to see the waves of electricity or capacitance/resistance to see the waves of a "human being". After I'm verified as non-alien, we can take a look of my past history to find out that I'm not a loony bin that escaped from the loony bin based on my physical actions and words that come out of my mouth.. Then, we can both figure out how to make money and it's DEEP inner workings. With your testing tools (human made which are kind of bias = no 100% static).
The more realistic question is, who are you to believe that you know real DEEP questions down to the quantum level? The word "quantum" does not intimidate me because it's only looking (or thinking=theories) at things that are microscopic.
If you CANNOT figure out the PROBLEM with GREED! Why are you sooo focused on the quantum?
Tinsel, did you notice the different 'electricity" colors and then wondered why they are different color? Color seems to have a "strength" signal for light and electricity. If "electricity" is 100% the same, why does it have different colors?
I don't know about you but from what I have seen is that electricty comes inward. IWO, the electricity does NOT come from the coil. The coil just attracts electricity quantum particles.!!!!
QuoteSo how much faster is gravity compared to light.
The ONLY thing you know about gravity is from a human perception. "gravity" can very well be traveling faster than the speed of light but your HUMAN perception will not be able to understand that. The only "speed" that can be understood by you is your only AVERAGE human perception.
From a human perception, light is the fastest mother nature particle. But that does not mean that light is the ULTIMATE FASTEST SPEED. How can you understand past the limit of your comprehension? + light speed? (which was created by particles)
Tinselkoala'Who am I? I am me, nobody else.'
Nono.I didn't ask what you are.I asked who you are,try again.
Joel'Who am I? Just waves of matter.'
I didn't ask you what you are I asked who you are..try again
Joel'When every human in the world is rich, there would be no poverty and no human being able to manipulate each other.'
True but it'l never happen.never has never will.the one guy will steal his frend's girlfrend or watch and same problem will spiral again.greed.its programmed inside every single human being including you but atleast your pointing to the universal problem mr complaino this is good.
Quote from: joel321 on May 29, 2015, 01:47:51 AM
Well I mentioned the word GREED a lot of times because it is a VIRUS in the mind of 99% of the people. Including yourself you are blinded by it 100%.
The solution to it is pretty simple. The people should get rid of the "big brother" controlling the individual. In effect, the more money you have the less value it has! When every human in the world is rich, there would be no poverty and no human being able to manipulate each other. NO cry baby complaining about money!
GREED is what is controlling your mind right now! You work for money daily. You are a slave for GREED! Which changes your mind of a better world. Your whole goal today, at present time, is to make LOTS OF MONEY. Right? You believe that being rich will make you happy and prosperous?
The ONLY reason you cannot see past money is because your lacking of it. I'm sure you would label me as a god if I have you a million dollars!
This thread is not about money but the understanding about our PHENOMENA live that we live in. which is pretty BEAUTIFUL to understand. No money gets in the way of understanding mother nature!
Joel:
If greed were indeed a virus, they would have a vaccine for it...but they don't, so it can't be.
Bill
QuoteTrue but it'l never happen.never has never will.the one guy will steal his frend's girlfrend or watch and same problem will spiral again.greed.its programmed inside every single human being including you but atleast your pointing to the universal problem mr complaino this is good.
I like to see myself as "for every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction". Which means that for every person to pretend to be living a "perfect" life, they are actually ignoring the facts as to make themselves believe that they are living a very happy life.
Now the GREED is to make money ONLY. No matter the truth, the only goal of GREED in life is to MAKE MONEY! This mentality carries many ill effects! Mostly the lack of empathy toward your neighbor and the root of war.
I myself would LOVE to just be left alone and ONLY focus on understanding how LIFE works! But I always have to pay taxes and make money to survive since another human being already is making me to be a puppet, slave money machine.
It is not that I complain, it is just that I never liked people who take advantage of others.
When you have kids and wish for your "blood line'" to spread in the future decades, you raise your kids to survive in life. You teach them how to battle and knowledge plays a big role in the longevity of surviving! For every "complano" there is something to be learned...the "comaplano" is actually a signal that shows something is wrong in the picture!!
Quoteif you can answer this one question correctly then you are well on the way to quantum enlightenment.
lol cocky guy thinking he understands the quantum enlightenment. How far the "rabbit hole" are you in doc? lol
QuoteIf greed were indeed a virus, they would have a vaccine for it...but they don't, so it can't be.
For every dollar that you make close to 50 cents you owe for big brother...it is not a virus because it's profitable...:) = TAXES! If I was collecting taxes from the humans, I would not work for the rest of my life = very very easy life.
The vaccine costs money to make! = no "angel" is making vaccines for the benefit of humanity, BUT only making them for profit!!!!
Joel'lol cocky guy thinking he understands the quantum
enlightenment. How far the "rabbit hole" are you in
doc? lol'
Much deeper in your butt than you think.the first rule of quantum is put a mirror infront yourself.you won't ever understand quantum without answering my question correctly.the question is who are you now answer it or be doomed to forever ask meaningless questions.
Quote from: profitis on May 30, 2015, 02:33:29 PM
Joel'For every dollar that you make close to 50 cents you
owe for big brother...'
Goodluck in killing big brother.you'l be drawn and quartered quietly and nobody'l even know you've disappeared.big brother is so powerful that he's become part of you and you don't even know it.the only way to destroy him/her is to love him/her.
Joel is Big Brother. He seems to hate JB Weld which is a good product. The only reason I can think of for him to do this is to maintain control over the population. He wants us to buy new stuff instead of fixing what breaks. He complains of greed yet he is the greedy one.
Interesting.
Bill
Joel'Now the GREED is to make money ONLY. No matter
the truth, the only goal of GREED in life is to MAKE
MONEY!'
Absolute bullshit.greed is much more than about money its about jealosy too.if your best frend looks better than you and gets more girls all the time you'll subconsciously want to destroy him.
QuoteMuch deeper in your butt than you think.the first rule of quantum is put a mirror infront yourself.you won't ever understand quantum without answering my question correctly.the question is who are you now answer it or be doomed to forever ask meaningless questions.
Already told you that in the quantum level I'm just waves of particles. The frequency of particles for all human beings is 100% at the same frequency. The frequency for all humans way of thinking varies = some like cats as pets some like dogs others may like rats. The difference is in the separation of what gives the human pleasure where the same pleasure is the same for any type of pet.
I really see you 100% as someone who believes that has figured out life! Or being cocky like a person being rich, owning a powerful gun, or understanding real quantum things that can even used for damage.
For human male attraction, the pretty girl wins.
For the biggest weapon, intimidation buy exploding things!
For an alpha male, the most females to sleep with.
For a bodybuilder, the muscles show the facts.
For intelligence, the one who can think from every angle wins mostly. Those that can think deeper from every angle dig themselves real deep in the thought! This does not mean that they have reached the bottom butt only means that on average think clear minded than the average.
If you think about life, it is not a matter who understand he most that makes the other person less important. The one that understands the mast has a responsibility = evolution! 1) take advantage of such person or 2) help such person. Doing either of both will benefit you. In the first for GREED and in the other for humanity.
I 100% understand that you giving an ultimatum that you have figured out the QUANTUM MECHANICHS 100% means you are just cocky! When was the understanding of quantum mechanics has ever been static?
Heck in the year 2015 you can't even understand how to QUOTE people properly in forums. Lol.
QuoteGoodluck in killing big brother.you'l be drawn and quartered quietly and nobody'l even know you've disappeared.big brother is so powerful that he's become part of you and you don't even know it.the only way to destroy him/her is to love him/her.
EXACTLY! The only way you find to be the answer is GREED! By love you actually mean to follow their steps. = I should take advantage of every human as they do. = falling in love with their greedy ways. = don't complain about their ways just love them EVEN IF THEY GO AGAINST MOTHER NATURE AND THE TRUE HAPPINESS OF LIFE!
Are you saying that one should have loved Hitler?
QuoteJoel is Big Brother. He seems to hate JB Weld which is a good product. The only reason I can think of for him to do this is to maintain control over the population. He wants us to buy new stuff instead of fixing what breaks. He complains of greed yet he is the greedy one.
We are on the same page yet you believe that we are not. You are confused by GREED! I 100% ASSURE YOU that fixing stuff with JB weld is not the best thing to do... if you jb wled two pieces of paper, yeah, you are over doing it. If JB welding two metals, your are a moron. Heat is the only thing that welds metal stuff.
You just want to feel special that you fixed some stuff with JB weld and you are stuck on that lol.
How does a TV work? Yawn! Jb weld an LCD screen? HECK! Use jb weld to replace a 20 amp fuse? No way in hell can jb weld be used to repair a blown fuse that is use to PROTECT components!
At this point bill, you are not intelligent enough to think deeper in too stuff! Not about money, not about anything....you just want to make money to pay your monthly rent. Lol.
Joel'Already told you that in the quantum level I'm just
waves of particles'
Absolute bullshit.you told us nothing about what a wave or a particle is thus this is meaningless.go try tell this to a stranger he'l tell you to go away.ask him my question and his eyes will open up if he gets the answer right.
Joel'XACTLY! The only way you find to be the answer is
GREED! By love you actually mean to follow their
steps. = I should take advantage of every human as
they do. = falling in love with their greedy ways. =
don't complain about their ways just love them EVEN
IF THEY GO AGAINST MOTHER NATURE AND THE
TRUE HAPPINESS OF LIFE!
Are you saying that one should have loved Hitler?'
Then learn to love yourself and conquer greed itself,become its master instead of its slave.lest you want to replace one big brother with another big brother.man is born and quickly learns to seperate himself from himself.this is programmed inside of him for quantum reasons.and for quantum reasons he can unprogramme it too.the spiritual and the quantum are much the same thing,perspective.
Quote from: joel321 on May 31, 2015, 02:23:59 AM
We are on the same page yet you believe that we are not. You are confused by GREED! I 100% ASSURE YOU that fixing stuff with JB weld is not the best thing to do... if you jb wled two pieces of paper, yeah, you are over doing it. If JB welding two metals, your are a moron. Heat is the only thing that welds metal stuff.
You just want to feel special that you fixed some stuff with JB weld and you are stuck on that lol.
How does a TV work? Yawn! Jb weld an LCD screen? HECK! Use jb weld to replace a 20 amp fuse? No way in hell can jb weld be used to repair a blown fuse that is use to PROTECT components!
At this point bill, you are not intelligent enough to think deeper in too stuff! Not about money, not about anything....you just want to make money to pay your monthly rent. Lol.
What are you talking about? I have repaired 2 different cell phones over the years using JB Weld. I could probably repair a TV with it also but I do not have a TV. (No need for one) I even repaired one of my boots that the heel had come off of. Those boots cost $100 new, and now, I can still wear them. Repair cost? Less than $5. I guess you think I should have bought a new pair of boots so I can keep the economy going? Are you saying I am greedy because I keep my stuff working and do not buy new stuff? I want to keep money for myself? Is that greed to you Joel?
As far as fuses go, I don't use them...only circuit breakers. I never had one of them break, but if one did, I would bet that it could be fixed using epoxy.
Go ahead and keep buying new stuff Joel...if that is what you want to do. I know how to repair most things so I keep them operating and do not need to replace them. (except toilet paper)
Here is a video where I restored a mid 1950's Triplett meter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR5yf4jMNPM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR5yf4jMNPM)
It now looks new and functions like new. No, I did not need to use JB Weld in this project. I did use WD-40 a lot though.
Bill
Joel' This mentality carries many ill effects!
Mostly the lack of empathy toward your neighbor and
the root of war.'
Selah.the tyrannical capitalism divides the brotherly love of man,this is how she works,divide/conquer.but if we swallow our ego's for a minute learn and teach ourselves how to teaze her possey right,alas she becomes our friend,she rewards us.but you know how she is,if you make her angry.. The spiritual is the only thing that can bridge neighborly gaps on a quantum level without violence.you go inward to the spiritual,you go outward to the greed.
Good work Pirate88179 and great comments joel321, but let's come back to magnetism, ether reciprocation and how dielectricity convert in magnetism and viceversa. Here is a new movie from Ken:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGfBxdJ4fjk
QuoteThen learn to love yourself and conquer greed itself,become its master instead of its slave.lest you want to replace one big brother with another big brother.man is born and quickly learns to seperate himself from himself.this is programmed inside of him for quantum reasons.and for quantum reasons he can unprogramme it too.the spiritual and the quantum are much the same thing,perspective.
90% of the people complain about problems in a blind way because they are only focusing on the joke of life entertainment (root of it is from greed) , mostly is it just looking for a pun at every situation which is kind of a way for mother nature slef defense mechanism with dealing with death/loss but when dealing with future ENLIGHTMENT is not the same MECHANISM. The truth focuses on the actual real human brain matter waves and evidence of the solution. We both need entertainment but having 90% of entertainment is equally wrong as only believing that entertainment is the "answer" where entertainment is not the root for truth.
Example, I'm sure this has had less views than the kin kardashian leak video has but it shows truth about the past history of money corruption and the manipulation. https://vimeo.com/128373915
This video shows ACTUAL FACTS of the cause of GREED!
Another video that opens the eyes for truth is this one. https://youtu.be/5tu32CCA_Ig
Dealing with close to the root of how the economy works.
Love does not make the world go round. It's just that the more you research in the DEEP things, you beging to see TRUTH like a scientists doing research regarding anything. When the TRUTH show immoral stuff going on, you cannot go back and pretend like the never happen since you already know it is a wrong thing to do!!
The only way to CONQUER greed is to do the opposite of the corruption (which is a hard thing to do) or just ignore it and live a life making money from the rich people. IOW, the poor becoming rich via being OK with corruption.
QuoteI even repaired one of my boots that the heel had come off of. Those boots cost $100 new, and now, I can still wear them.
lol please post a picture of them. JB weld sticking to rubber? I need to see it to believe it. I would assume needle and thread would work best but JB weld?
QuoteAre you saying I am greedy because I keep my stuff working and do not buy new stuff? I want to keep money for myself? Is that greed to you Joel?
I agree that we are on the same page of recycling. Lol but you use JB weld for anything!!! JB welding the sole of a shoe, provide pictures and I'll swallow my pride to believe.
QuoteAs far as fuses go, I don't use them...only circuit breakers. I never had one of them break, but if one did, I would bet that it could be fixed using epoxy.
lol all electrical items have fuses. From AC/DC motors to A CPU. even your kitchen garbage disposal.... you don't use them? they are MANDATORY behind BUILT IN!!! Besides that, I have DIAGNOSED a few circuit breakers and believe me they do break!!! some of them don't provide enough protection for the component = do not work as intended! Now for you to understand such things first you have to understand the REAL DEEP INNER workings of how they work!. Also you have to have real life experience of their failures....lol. You could probably jb weld the plastic shells but most fuses fail/blow in the metal filament.
QuoteHere is a video where I restored a mid 1950's Triplett meter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR5yf4jMNPM
QuoteIt now looks new and functions like new. No, I did not need to use JB Weld in this project. I did use WD-40 a lot though.
lol Fun fact, WD-40 was created by the army like the freeways. In the USA the I-10 freeway goes from one side of the USA across cause the army built it from the money. Also, liquid is not just in the form of lubrication, jewels can also be uses to lubricate like this video shows that I watched today https://youtu.be/CtkcLjiNy_0
Learn their inner workings of how they work: https://youtu.be/TQd-0YXqmR0
Bro, you need to get paid by JB weld for advertising! lol
Joel'the only way to CONQUER greed is to do the
opposite of the corruption.'
Yes but nobody is going to do that without spiritual enlightenment.one cannot possibly empathize for another without reflecting upon himself first.how can you stop yourself from doing the moraly wrong if you are forced to do the moraly wrong in order to survive. overlords force you to do the morally wrong then smack you when you do it,vicious cycle.you have to become wiser than the rest and step outside of them.otherwise you become them.forced to do violence/become violence...forced to do violence/become violence.vicious cycle called life,step outside of it but remain in it.
QuoteYes but nobody is going to do that without spiritual enlightenment.
You told me to suck your dick after you knew I was a guy. Mother nature does not work that way and am pretty sure the gods don't either. = the confused chronicles of profitis...lol
I'm sure you said you where going to chill here! Now all of a sudden you are a "teacher" of wisdom!!! lol get the fuck out of my face teacher of truth. You have no truth withing you! It's only a matter to ignore the people that try to pretend to know further things. = you told me to suck your dick!! AND, you where proud of saying that! Dude, I'm a male!
Plus I posted all of the evidence and I get this!!!! Mehhh! You are weak in the brain!!!
Quotego suck your own dick complaino
Well it is not natural for that to happen. I could with surgery though! = unnatural.
SO you are telling me that I should not FIGHT FOR MY RIGHTS!?
For a person "promoting" peace, you are king of corrupt in the brain! Lol... = you want me to suck your dick knowing that I'm a guy?
Plus you believe that "complano" means not SEARCHING FOR TRUTH!!!!
It is clear I seek truth for humanity while you seek truth as a nazi...even in your "religious pretend" ways. Case DONE and over with Profitis.You, like the rest, have been figured out. = you where DESINGED BY NATURE to be a BETA MALE! = blinded by truth! lol. WHat you say is just PEANUTS to a pig! LOL
Joel'plus you believe that "complano" means not
SEARCHING FOR TRUTH!!!!'
In your case complaino translates to violent overthrow of the government and theft(from who remains to be seen).so much for greed.my truth is the spiritual your truth is the material.
QuoteIn your case complaino translates to violent overthrow of the government and theft(from who remains to be seen).so much for greed.my truth is the spiritual your truth is the material.
I honestly believed for a second that you may have "brain power" to understand the TRUTH of life, but now I'm 100% sure you don't. Lol you believe I rob people of their money and make wars = I once gave a homeless guy $500 USD because I felt bad for him.
Your "spirituality" thinks that I want to "overthrow" it??? you are greatly blind my friend!
Hmm..learn how to ride a bike? Give it love?
Learn how to fish a fish? Give it love?
Learn how to make an LCD TV? Love makes them?
I'm spiritual myself as everyone should be because just thinking positive things influences POSITIVE neurons! But you are sooooooooooooooooo blind in the truth about things that someone needs to tell you that you are wrong. The evidence shows it 100%. in fact, you may need some type of psychiatric help! :(
Quoteits your call to kill 'big brother' (whomever that is) mr man of peace.
It is 100000% obvious you do not understand how the government works. Wow! I joined this forum to be enlighten by the SMART now I'm just disappointed time after time and realizing I had high HOPES. e.g. profitis your are a disappointment.
What are you telling me is that the "structure" of money is 100% how it should be? IOW, there is no corruption in the money system? I have never in my life killed a person and never have made anyone go fight my agenda battles.
You disappoint me to the point that the next thing that comes out of your mouth will disappoint me again. = waste of TRUTH talking to you PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!!
QuoteAnd you assume I'm pale? There are no spiritual shades?
I figured you out as to be black skinned my brother a while back. Human skin color come in different colors but we are all humans in the end....realize that and you will notice the CORRUPT from the GOOD! GREED does not discriminate colors....greed kills people equally for "big brother" lol....i actually find it interesting you cannot understand what I mean by "big brother". Watch this video again fully
https://youtu.be/5tu32CCA_Ig
Also you do not understand the corruption of the corrupter. Like the "public servants"
http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/farmer-s-savings-among-police-seizures-that-paid-for-montana/article_2281b45e-21b3-5199-8475-aeddd8b85b9d.html
To serve and protect...but GREED is easier. WHat would you have felt like and had done for justice if you where that farmer OR the "public servant"?
Joel'Your "spirituality" thinks that I want to "overthrow" it??? you are greatly blind my friend!'
Viva democracy,thank god for that
Joel'I once gave a homeless guy $500 USD because I felt bad for him.'
You're sure you didn't steal it from him?i don't know joel but ok I'l give you the benefit of the doubt man.hey,your allright :D
Joel'I figured you out as to be black skinned my brother a while back'
Yeah well you better be treatin my peeps good on that side muthafukka,peace :D
QuoteYour an idiot.'Big brother' is some anonymous name thrown in the mix for you to go and chase after in circles with guns drawn lol. (Sometimes Violent circles nontheless).classic divide/conquer strategy.
The idiot is you because "big brother" is the government! It is any government in any country. DUDE! I'm not the government with guns drawn at you. I'm just a person that has realized truth that the government manipulates you with science in the brain or by force lol.
Tell me who is your president and why did you "elect" him/her?
QuoteYou're sure you didn't steal it from him?
When I have $3000 USD in my pocket I find it hard to spend it if they are all are 100 USD bills. Some store would not take 100 USD bills. It is very hard to break a 100 dollar USD bill in the USA. Because most people assume everyone is poor and most government like to keep them that way.
You have not walked the steps I have walked!!!!! I have given out more than that money to the people asking for it next to the "freeways"!
THERE IS NOTHING TO "STEAL" from someone else...one just LEARNS FROM SOMEONE ELSE! And that is in the mind to learn!
WHAT CAN I STEAL FROM THE MIND OF A POOR PERSON? :o
Do you understand why are they poor? AND why there will always be poor people in a civilized world?
QuoteYeah well you better be treatin my peeps good on that side muthafukka,peace
Yeah I understand Samuel L. Jackson.
BUT wait a minute, your peeps commit the most crime based on the statistics my brotha? peace! Guess what my brother...it all stems from prejudice and money corruption!!! people with different skin color do not have the same brain neurons. ONLY money gives VERY INTELLIGENT neurons. /sarcasm
Joel'"big brother" is the government! It is any government in any country.'
And what is your SOLUTION to eliminate this cycle of violence INSIDE and OUTSIDE your country fool.its no use screaming greed greed and offering no SOLUTION to MAN's VIOLENCE.
Joel'people with different skin color do not have the same brain neurons. ONLY money gives VERY INTELLIGENT neurons. /sarcasm'
You don't think that people of the same shades and cultures kill each other viciously for money idiot? WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION
Quote from: joel321 on June 03, 2015, 04:57:24 AM
When I have $3000 USD in my pocket I find it hard to spend it if they are all are 100 USD bills. Some store would not take 100 USD bills. It is very hard to break a 100 dollar USD bill in the USA. Because most people assume everyone is poor and most government like to keep them that way.
You have not walked the steps I have walked!!!!! I have given out more than that money to the people asking for it next to the "freeways"!
THERE IS NOTHING TO "STEAL" from someone else...one just LEARNS FROM SOMEONE ELSE! And that is in the mind to learn!
WHAT CAN I STEAL FROM THE MIND OF A POOR PERSON? :o
Do you understand why are they poor? AND why there will always be poor people in a civilized world?
Stores have to take $100 bills Joel. This is the law. It says right on every bill: "Legal tender for
all debts public and private". It does not say...some debts, nor only debts that require smaller denominations. Now, a store may make you wait a reasonable time if the cashier does not have enough in the register to make change but, they simply can not (legally) say "We do not accept bills larger than $20.00" or whatever. I know some try, but it is not legal for them to do so.
If they refuse to do this, you can sue them and turn them in to the Treasury Department.
Bill
PS JB Weld accepts $100 bills for their products.
Another very interested topic made cabbage by various with their arrogant ignorance and exacerbated vanity. A pattern for this forum which can be seen on all important topics, and unfortunately created and perpetuated by the same "various"! Great civilization with great "various"!
However for all of them:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGfBxdJ4fjk
QuoteAnd what is your SOLUTION to eliminate this cycle of violence INSIDE and OUTSIDE your country fool.its no use screaming greed greed and offering no SOLUTION to MAN's VIOLENCE.
The answer is to stop money corruption. The money just corrupts the mind that makes even grandmas become murderers when they don't have enough of it. Which makes me think, how can an 80 yr old grandma make money to live a happy life in the year 2015? social security does not cover her expenses. Instead of asking me for a solution lets UNDERSTAND that there is a problem and a SOLUTION is needed. Unless you don't want to do anything about it?
QuoteStores have to take $100 bills Joel. This is the law. It says right on every bill: "Legal tender for all debts public and private". It does not say...some debts, nor only debts that require smaller denominations. Now, a store may make you wait a reasonable time if the cashier does not have enough in the register to make change but, they simply can not (legally) say "We do not accept bills larger than $20.00" or whatever. I know some try, but it is not legal for them to do so.
If they refuse to do this, you can sue them and turn them in to the Treasury Department.
Bill
PS JB Weld accepts $100 bills for their products.
Trust me, since I don't care much about money, and I don't use credit cards, I mostly just carry $100 dollar bills. I don't even count the change after I buy something. One dollar does not mean much to me let alone a penny. Many stores don't take $100 USD dollars here. when they do, they have to check it if it's legit. BUT most don't take a $100 dollar bill. i have noticed this for a good 7 years so is not like it's my first time. on the other side of the token, I have seen how people do it to get the credit card number to abuse it but that's another story for another time.
It may not be legal in the government books to say it is illegal to deny a person paying with a $100 bill to buy consumer goods with my LEGAL money but if they refuse, realistically, how much will I get in return after spending thousands of dollars to fight the government by suing? lol
LOL you and your JBweld stuff. Where are the pictures of the jbwelded shoe? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGfBxdJ4fjk
TA, you have to wonder where the energy comes from to make a magnet. In your illustrations i can understand that it's just a 3dimensional dot. but what makes a 3dimensinal dot? hear me out. The magnetic field is influence by the repealing forces too. In effect, the repealing forces are half, or less, of the magnetic fields...IOW, what is the ENERGY that is the opposite of a magnet and how much does the outside forces influence the magnetic force?
Is hard for me to explain but in a magnetic energy, your picture shows that there is an opposite direction of the magnetic field. Which i king of have a feeling this is regarding any wave in nature....BUT, regarding your understanding of magnetism, what would you called the outside?
Non-magnetic stuff makes magnetism. I can understand that magnetic microscopic behave in a certain way to make you see magnetism, BUT what have you looked at the particles of light too and how they differ from particles of magnetism?
Just saying that your in and out basically described the galaxy.
Joel' UNDERSTAND '
Wisdom.you and me are lucky to be in wealthy democracies(as fuckedup as they are).we can complain to our governments asmuch as we like and still get paid.others are not so fortunate,they get bullets even before they complain.
Joel'The answer is to stop money corruption'
Everyone tells the other 'I am not corrupt,let me count the votes'.
QuoteWisdom.you and me are lucky to be in wealthy democracies(as fuckedup as they are).we can complain to our governments asmuch as we like and still get paid.others are not so fortunate,they get bullets even before they complain.
It is not LUCK it took many fighting and death as I ready posted the videos. But the death only came from the corruption, all of those death could have been avoided like they are right now. PLEASE TELL ME WHAT STARTED WORLD WAR TWO? AND DID ALL THOSE LIVES WHERE JUSTIFIABLE AT THE END?
I could live in Alaska with no money killing animals for food for the rest of my life. For billions of years how our ancestors where doing. You believe to be lucky? How old are you and how do you make money to pay rent?
Quote from: joel321 on June 06, 2015, 02:52:55 AM
It is not LUCK it took many fighting and death as I ready posted the videos. But the death only came from the corruption, all of those death could have been avoided like they are right now. PLEASE TELL ME WHAT STARTED WORLD WAR TWO? AND DID ALL THOSE LIVES WHERE JUSTIFIABLE AT THE END?
I could live in Alaska with no money killing animals for food for the rest of my life. For billions of years how our ancestors where doing. You believe to be lucky? How old are you and how do you make money to pay rent?
Are you serious here? Hitler invaded Poland and Checko and then began bombing England after invading France. Japan bombed Pearl harbor. Other than that, no reason for war. No, all of the lives wasted in war are never really justified. I wish war was not needed, but as long as there are crazy folks in the world that want to kill you, it is needed.
Bill
QuoteEveryone tells the other 'I am not corrupt,let me count the votes'.
Who did you vote to be able to print unlimited money and why did you do that?
What makes you feel like your opinion matters?
https://youtu.be/5tu32CCA_Ig
There is actually a really simple answer for GREED regarding SCIENCE/EVOLUTION but one just needs to get rid of corruption..lol
We are on the next world wide extinction due to GREED. Just watch and wait. There will be a mass extinction soon. What that is called is "getting rid of the corrupt/viruses" to start fresh. It has been done in the past and will be done in the future...MONEY HAS NO VALUE FOR THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY!!! WHEN GREED IS GETTING OUT OF HAND< THE HUMANITY WILL COLLAPSE MILLIONS WILL DIE BUT THEY WILL START FRESH. This has been going on for years = humans cannot get removed from evolution! Only evolution can! GREED! Is only a human taking advantage of another human being....even by slowly killing them., there is no "SCIENTIFIC" system to prove that?
LETS NOT CONFUSED PEOPLE! LEARNING IS EASY! THERE IS NO NEED FOR POVERTY TO EXIST IN THE YEAR 2015! NO NEED TO CHARGE $5000 USD for a root canal!
ANYWAY, you seem like you are VERY happy with the current LAWS! Which I'm 100% they are not 100% right! And free from corruption. Well we are both lucky right living in a perfect world?
Quote from: joel321 on June 06, 2015, 03:13:01 AM
Who did you vote to be able to print unlimited money and why did you do that?
What makes you feel like your opinion matters?
https://youtu.be/5tu32CCA_Ig (https://youtu.be/5tu32CCA_Ig)
There is actually a really simple answer for GREED regarding SCIENCE/EVOLUTION but one just needs to get rid of corruption..lol
We are on the next world wide extinction due to GREED. Just watch and wait. There will be a mass extinction soon. What that is called is "getting rid of the corrupt/viruses" to start fresh. It has been done in the past and will be done in the future...MONEY HAS NO VALUE FOR THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY!!! WHEN GREED IS GETTING OUT OF HAND< THE HUMANITY WILL COLLAPSE MILLIONS WILL DIE BUT THEY WILL START FRESH. This has been going on for years = humans cannot get removed from evolution! Only evolution can! GREED! Is only a human taking advantage of another human being....even by slowly killing them., there is no "SCIENTIFIC" system to prove that?
LETS NOT CONFUSED PEOPLE! LEARNING IS EASY! THERE IS NO NEED FOR POVERTY TO EXIST IN THE YEAR 2015! NO NEED TO CHARGE $5000 USD for a root canal!
ANYWAY, you seem like you are VERY happy with the current LAWS! Which I'm 100% they are not 100% right! And free from corruption. Well we are both lucky right living in a perfect world?
We can eliminate the corrupt viruses with a vaccine.
Bill
QuoteAre you serious here? Hitler invaded Poland and Checko and then began bombing England after invading France. Japan bombed Pearl harbor. Other than that, no reason for war. No, all of the lives wasted in war are never really justified. I wish war was not needed, but as long as there are crazy folks in the world that want to kill you, it is needed.
Not like I don't understand further than you! (in fact, I pretty much 100% I have surpassed your thinking)
https://vimeo.com/128373915
Tell me what started world war two? IOW, what was their dispute between countries?
I'm pretty sure you know lol /sarcasm.
Everything you say LAGS in the OFCOURSE EVIDENCE! Lol
TELL ME WHAT STARTED WORLD WAR TWO? Was is that the wife of the ritches guy in the world got mad at the opposition or did mean taking over a land (like other wars)? You tell me smart one.
The crazy folks that kill you slowly or fast are the rich ones = GREED!
Why are YOU UNABLE TO LEARN TRUTH?
https://youtu.be/5tu32CCA_Ig
Let me guess, you are a STUPID FOOL> lol.
I WOULD NOT LEARN ANYTHING BENEFICIAL FOR MY LIFE IF I LIVED IN YOUR HOUSE FOR 5 YEARS LOL. = boring jbweld stuff. BORING AND STUPID!
To be honest pirate88179 and profitis are some type of attention seeking "parasites" in this forum that does not allow other people to understand real truth that it could even benefit you and your family.
They distract from truth!
The understanding regarding MAGNETISM is not 100% understood. This sub-forum tries to make people ponder those this but yet these PARASITES distract!
The evidence that TA provides gives a lot to ponder about but these PARASITES distract from it! MAN i'm wondering how TA feels of all these PARASITES trying to go against him? It is clear that ONE BY ONE CAN GET SUBTRACTED! BUT MAN< THEY DISTRACT FROM THE TRUTH!!!! THAT CAN BENEFIT THEM TOO! MAN!!! THEY BUG!!! = NOTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT AT HAND IN A 100% INTELLECTUAL WAY CAN BE DISCUSSED WITH THEM! ::) (ONLY NIT PICKING A Sentences for attention)
QuoteYou stupid fuck.you scream about war from behind your cozy alternative border while you don't know a fucking thing about it.that's why I say go to africa muthafukka,not south africa where's its nice and cozy go to the poor ones fool.then come back to me and complain about muney nincumpoop
I was just asking the ROOT of World War 2 =
Was it based on oil/land?
Who got the other person mad and why to start a war? I have a feeling is regarding money and land. :P
If you have read your history books, the nazi wanted to take over the world for POWER OVER EVERYONE, and if you reallyyyy dig DEEEP they never used nuclear bombs because the USA got in the way. IOW, Einstein, after finding the formula, gave it to the USA to stop it from happening but I don't really much believe that!
At any rate, I care about a solution for equality! I have suffered enough in my life too that dying does not scare me! It is those that are scared that don't help the others. And the others that don't understand how to be poor take advantage of them... I get that! The solution is to UNDERSTAND that making money is easy! Opening your mind to the GREED of life!
QuoteYou won't last two seconds over here in our ghettos
Maybe you believe I wont and maybe I would make a big difference in their lives and to get baskets of gifts.
In Alaska, I would not find it hard to live in year around. You get use to the climate change. Believe it or not the human body gets use to 30F (or minus) after a while. You can see people wearing sweaters and trembling here in the USA when it is 20F but you can aslo notice foreigners only wearing a t-shirt and not shivering!!
Now if you are actually talking about how to survive in the GHETTO, one only does it by making money since GREED is what creates ghettos! YOU fail to understand that GREED makes ghettos to take money from them. You kill eahc other or divorce your wife, GREED does not care. Your life can be take by GREED easy, you will just be replaced. IOW, GREED is POWER THUGS that will kill and get away with just as much as in the ghetto a petty thief would too.
QuoteI'm happy to be in a democracy,there are not many around.what system do you want fool.one of those systems that snatch the rich to throw to the poor? You think there are no poor in north korea fool?
There are poor people all over the world and not because they CANNOT MAKE MONEY, it is because ALL DEMOCRACY wants to keep them poor to take advantage of them.
It may be that leaving a non democratic place for a democratic place seem to be a better place but you still have discrimination in that place. Racism exists here in the USA. ALL black, Hispanic, Asian, are minorities. When it comes to money, have 4 million in your bank account and you are the VIP!
In the GHETTOO there may be more harmful deaths and crimes BUT in the suburns, the same crimes are committed but they are more SMART DOING! IOW, they will suffer and will get forsed to live of the streets but they do it more on BASED BY THE LAWS! The law will still kill people, trust me, it's just that the law just makes the killing people more "attractive" for GREED!. This also interferes with MANDATORY vaccinations but I'm sure in a ghetto life you just skip all vaccines?
Joel'The law will still kill people, trust me, it's just that the law just makes the killing people more "attractive" for GREED!'
Ok so please explain to us your plans for the world in your hypothetical paradise in your ideal utopia.who will then become the dominating factor of those nuclear weapons arsenal you have there and what will you do with them.
Joel'There are poor people all over the world and not because they CANNOT MAKE MONEY, it is because ALL DEMOCRACY wants to keep them poor to take advantage of them.'
You blame all the world's poverty on democracy? You're crazy man.I blame it on man.
Joel'GREED is what creates ghettos!'
And greed is inside every man,worldwide.
Joel'Maybe you believe I wont and maybe I would make a big difference in their lives and to get baskets of gifts.'
Are you sure you won't give yourself gifts instead of passing them down?can we trust you with a nuclear arsenal at your fingertips mr joel coz if we r gonna vote 4 u we need to know this shit.
Quote from: profitis on June 07, 2015, 02:42:56 PM
Joel'Maybe you believe I wont and maybe I would make a big difference in their lives and to get baskets of gifts.'
Are you sure you won't give yourself gifts instead of passing them down?can we trust you with a nuclear arsenal at your fingertips mr joel
Joel can not even be trusted to use JB Weld, or any other epoxy. He wants to buy new things if something breaks and not repair it as can be easily done with JB Weld.
He asked for photos of my boots I repaired using epoxy. The only reason I have not done that yet is, I had to first fix my camera to take the photo. Then, I will upload some photos. Yes, I am using epoxy to repair my camera. It should be fully cured in about 24 hours or so.
Bill
Pirate'Joel can not even be trusted to use JB Weld,'
Scary,I'm concerned how he's going to treat the countries on my side once he takes power.I'm worried him stabbing friends in the back afterward.will he? Won't he?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU DUMB STUPID BOY TA !! After all this time that I have been away from this you are stuck talking the same old gibberish nonsense ??? watt watt watt hahahah no developments no improvements no new technology just another bang on the drumb about MF bending light hahahahahah OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH NO SON ONLY GRAVITY CAN DO THAT !!!!!!!!!!!
Gravity is time slowed down due to mass !!! A photon can change the time component in a 5th dimensional harmonic when it is faster than normal light speed but does not require MF..... VIBRATIONS along a string of photons will set up a 5th dimensional photon for the first photon along the string ! Take a whip just like the one I am going to hit you with look at the way the wave moves along the string its speed is increasing and the size of the wave is decreasing compressing the energy. Forming photons and neutrinos in a 5th dimensional harmonic above the speed of light.....
Only by increasing the wave function can a photon be liberated to alter time !!! NO MF SON !!!
YOU CAN NOT BEND LIGHT WITH A MAGNET !!!!!! YOU ARE SO SILLY HAHAHHAHAAHAH ALL THIS TIME WASTED HAHAHAHAHAH????
Not me son I have built me a unified field oscillator hahahahahahahahah oooooohhhhhh baby its hot hahahahahahahhahahahahahah
What have you built ????????? I know a book of insults hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahah get a grips boy and re grow your hair with a tattoo machine each hole made traps a stem cell and bingo your hair grows back hahaha that works very well .......................
Leave the photons to me son and go and play with a magnetic hahahahahahahhaahah You nincompoop hahahahahahahahhahahaha
With my unified field oscillator I can generate 5th dimensional photons and if you want to see this technology you can son just up load NASAS secret UFO and get a close up on the spiral EMF emitting from the UFO, watch how the ufo becomes visible than invisible look at the photon ring in the UV spectrum is working and you will see 5th dimensional photons phasing in and out...... No magnet son not even for a 4 kilometre size UFO HAHAHAHAHAH
Give it up boy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! only time can bend light !!!!!!!!!!!! to do that you need a planet hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahah
You dumb little Hitler hahahahahaha
Regards
ATOM 1 93RD ATOMMIX KING MONKEY
QuoteOk so please explain to us your plans for the world in your hypothetical paradise in your ideal utopia.who will then become the dominating factor of those nuclear weapons arsenal you have there and what will you do with them.
Look how parents raise successful kids FOOL! Then think about it why a parent gives their life for the kid? Give a wild female lion 20 million dollars cash to trade for her babies, no guns, walk up to the female lion with 20 million dollar cash in your hand to buy her babies, come back and show me the babies!?
I can just picture Pirate88179, he runs out of toilet paper, he wipes with jbweld. He runs out of deodorant, he rubs jbweld under his armpits. He accidentally cuts himself making a two inch cut, he jbwelds the wound. Lol I would not be surprised if he has tasted jbweld to try to eat it at one point lol
QuoteScary,I'm concerned how he's going to treat the countries on my side once he takes power.I'm worried him stabbing friends in the back afterward.will he? Won't he?
If you are worried about that then that means that your are thinking of stabbing first yourself!!! Spreading knowledge for free is the key for a new WORLD ORDER! Don't pay, just pay attention and learn from the teachers. = TRUTH!
Quote from: joel321 on June 11, 2015, 02:35:54 AM
I can just picture Pirate88179, he runs out of toilet paper, he wipes with jbweld. He runs out of deodorant, he rubs jbweld under his armpits. He accidentally cuts himself making a two inch cut, he jbwelds the wound. Lol I would not be surprised if he has tasted jbweld to try to eat it at one point lol
Well, for your information Mr. Anti-Epoxy...I just used JB Weld this weekend while working on my micro Slayer Exciter. This device sends energy through the air so I can light leds and CFLs and other light emitting devices at a distance without using any wires. I used it to mount my ferrite core holders to the circuit board. Worked wonderfully.
I should be able to complete this circuit this weekend. Oh, I am also going to use it to repair my 50cc scooter too. The guy I got it from cracked 2 of the plastic panels and epoxy and fibertape on the inside will be as strong as new, and you will never even see the crack from the outside.
You really should try this stuff Joel, it is not really that hard to learn to use. It comes with complete instructions so, if you try really hard, even you should be able to make repairs using it.
Bill
Where is the vortex ?????
There are no poor people just hungry ones homeless ill and the close to dead ones ,To me that's not a problem just detach your TV from your head don't read the papers avoid politics and religion but have faith in Christ its obvious he is a bit different . The new world can only start when we leave the old one behind our problem is sharing and co developing with a real need for communities like us to truly build foundations find land buildings and lots of cash... There is to much to do and don't forget stem cell banking hahaha .... And where are the hot sexy girls ???? there are none here hahahah why ?????
Send a message to all governments tel them we now claim independence and send them a legal claim for all the damage they have done and are doing !!!! All the religious nuts will need some help with meta quantum physics a complete re brain wash but there is something as to the search for the city called heaven....ITS JUST ITS NOT THERE like some dream like fantasy its a realm of dimensions and most important if your ready to die... Stay alive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When man builds man becomes the fulfilment of he's purpose when man goes to war he underlines he's failure and stupidity and should be shoot hahahahah I still cant get light to bend round a magnet ??? where is that nut job TA ?????
Remember these words all for one and one for all its a very good start ..... So which one of you has a few million to play with ????????
hahaha
ATOM1
QuoteWell, for your information Mr. Anti-Epoxy...I just used JB Weld this weekend while working on my micro Slayer Exciter. This device sends energy through the air so I can light leds and CFLs and other light emitting devices at a distance without using any wires. I used it to mount my ferrite core holders to the circuit board. Worked wonderfully.
JBweld has it's place just like fecal matter goes in the toilet and not in the streets. I understand epoxies have their place. They are used where they can hold things where torque is not really needed. IOW, Take a piece of metal 1"x1" and pour some epoxy there...it will dry it will cure and stay there for infinity since nothing will bother it. But then lets say there is a hammer always hitting the piece of metal causing vibrations to it and you want to keep something stuck to the piece of metal with out drilling holes to the metal nor welding anything on it via melting metal....=epoxy...but it will require epoxy after epoxy after epoxy after epoxy = infinity IOW, it is not permanent = temporary!! lol
What I mean is that you can use epoxy in the windings of a coil in a motor to keep them from moving for infinity, but you CANNOT use epoxy to USE or even repair the shaft bearings...lol
QuoteI should be able to complete this circuit this weekend. Oh, I am also going to use it to repair my 50cc scooter too. The guy I got it from cracked 2 of the plastic panels and epoxy and fibertape on the inside will be as strong as new, and you will never even see the crack from the outside.
The process of welding plastic is the same process as welding metal. The same for fiberglass panels/cracks. Believe it or not I have repaired cracks in plastic with no EPOXY also fiber panels with no EPOXY, or should I say, JB weld. lol.
put to straight plastics together to simulate a crack, then use a soldering iron and run it in between the "crack" in circles as to melt the plastic. It will weld = no epoxy needed! I'm 100% cleaning the surface and using JB weld to weld the two pieces of plastics will break easy in the weld..lol fibertape gives that fiberglass panels strength!!! JB weld does not HAVE FIBERS IN IT! lol...
QuoteYou really should try this stuff Joel, it is not really that hard to learn to use. It comes with complete instructions so, if you try really hard, even you should be able to make repairs using it.
I have used it but I don't see it working on anything. JB weld is OIL MONEY. lol
PLEASE KEEP IT ABOUT MAGNETS AND MAGNETIC VORTEXIES
T A WHERE THE HELL R U SON ???? I READ YOUR BOOK HAHAHAHAHAHAH VEY GOOD SON VEY GOOD INDEED HAHAHAHAHAHHA
A BIT SCATTY AND OVER THE TOP WITH SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN NEEDS SOME TLC ECT ECT .............
But the missing link for the fabric of space as part of your dielectric is a monopole field you don't have one do you son ????????????
I being the only monkey on the planet that does and you being the other monkey that needs one as to final finish the vortex principle
as to why all galaxies are excel orating ! It is by the way due to monopoles and the way you draw up space time with vertical and horizontal lines don't work with the dielectric as there no horizontal lines of force just vertical ... And remember all lines of force are strings and string have harmonics and harmonics have scales and scales have holes in them ...
You need the monopole effect its also a very important free energy component !!! Hope your health is good !!!
ATOM 1
Where are the monopoles ???????????????????????????? no monopoles no conformation for a dielectric constant the in the book describes tesla and he's observation you have underlined and in great detail ....... All these effects could be as you say they are
but the most important one is gravity as a magnetic force ... All the rest is kids toys !
The galaxies that are excel orating away from each other in the presented work need monopoles ! DO you have a monopole magnet ?
ATOM1
Good work ATOM1........
John.
Hi John good to hear from you !! Hope all is well !!
I am part of a stem cell research team in cellular regeneration no matter how old you are it can all be regenerated made brand new ! We don't grow old we just degenerate hahaha Add another 200 years to your life and step back to your youth in 5 years ! No joke it for real. Not hard work just a bit of walking ectect ...
The other part of our enterprise is government backed free technology with an extend are for electro gravity and paranormal research.
Its a very strange thing to have a conversation with someone who died 50 years ago ! There is no death just a transmutation with a journey through other dimensions ! Spirit guides are very real and many search out individuals that can handle real time communication !
There is other advanced communities on the other side way beyond anything we ever imagined, humanity really needs to look deeper at the reason and purpose of being here... We are evolving in parallel with what we are designed for man and he's little money bubble with its war machine and all forms of force control is a heap of junk worthless rotten and so messed up its best to dump it in the bin and start again.......
Always leave a message in my inbox here ect ect ........ We are soon to deliver the road map for a complete cellular regenerative experience one you can just do your self or join in, its not easy to form a unit of inspiration among humans 99.9% have programed themselves that life is short and cocoon themselves in there private world and hardly step outside this for fear of being eaten alive hahahhaha
This goes out to you that are here the message eat or be eaten hahahahahah together we stand and divided we fall ! All talent my be seeded nourished protected and set forth to challenge a broken mixed up humanity ! Tel your governments very soon the free people will come and we will land our inspiration and our technology on there land with a declaration from the divine supported by other advanced beings both physical and spiritual. Our demand is simple except the terms of a free people in a free world or get the fuck of our planet hahaha lol see you soon .
ATOM1
QuoteA BIT SCATTY AND OVER THE TOP WITH SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN
One could say the same thing about you. You find that "sound" is what gives you the "answers" to life and, if you are smart, sound is not the same as light....so it takes a collection of the elements to come closer to truth BUT NERVER can one element show 100% truth. PLUS, you have like three name accounts in here...why three accounts in here? That shows that you have found a way to run away when someone challenges your thoughts.
In the internet, yes, you can ignore/delete the account, but in real life, you only have one life and one UNIQUE brain. You cannot have different account in real life unless you have double personality.
When a person shows double personality on the internet, he/she cannot fight a person who shows a single personality on the internet and expect to win! Pretty easy to see to be honest! IOW< your many accounts makes you looney than just one TA account..lol
Hey TA I was playing with magnetic printing "ink" powder today along with doughnut magnets and I noticed a peculiar thing.
The doughnut magnets SOUTH and NORTH poles reacted different in the magnetic "ink" powder.
One side of the doughnut magnet always created a hole in the center while the other side always seemed to create a magnetic dot in the center of the doughnut.
In those pictures, they both repel each other and one make a "hole" in the center, and switched around, the other makes a hole...the one that does not make a hole in the center has a magnetic point in the center. IOW, in the "doughnut" magnet, the South and North pole are not 100% equal to each other... one side of it has a percentage of different magnetic flux.
Pics:
1 http://i.imgur.com/nc8RUIq.jpg
2 http://i.imgur.com/lEyItYk.jpg
Any thoughts regarding that?
Quote from: ATOM1 on June 10, 2015, 04:04:40 PM
YOU CAN NOT BEND LIGHT WITH A MAGNET
Shut your rotten hole, subhuman knuckle-dragging filth.
its called the Farady Effect.
Ive seen more light bent with magnetism than youve seen trees in your life, little boy.
go back in the closet and continue fondling yourself, boy.
Quote from: ATOM1 on June 13, 2015, 03:35:34 PM
T A WHERE THE HELL R U SON ????
Been very busy,.... made a few discoveries. Deep in thought and process and writing.
Just remember that "mother nature" does not do MATH. "She" has never heard of any such nonsense, she knows no math.
The entire cosmos is inertia and force...
nothing else exists
Well TA.
get even busier and show us a bullet proof example of
light being bent with a magnet.
A peasant.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on June 19, 2015, 07:10:59 AM
Shut your rotten hole, subhuman knuckle-dragging filth.
its called the Farady Effect.
Ive seen more light bent with magnetism than youve seen trees in your life, little boy.
go back in the closet and continue fondling yourself, boy.
You may want to read up on the FARADAY Effect, since it has nothing to do with "bending light with magnetism".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_effect
And you may also want to refresh your memory as to the conditions you agreed to when you joined this forum:
QuoteYou agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law.
http://overunity.com/register/#.VYTHpd_HlD8
Hey TA here's a .gif of what I mean.
http://i.imgur.com/LXdjpSS.gifv
One side of the doughnut magnet, the magnetic ink populates the center of the hole and in the very center of the hole, where I'm assuming the magnetic fields comes to a point, there is visual evidence that there are magnetic fields coming out.
The other side of the doughnut magnet, the center hole repels all of the magnetic particles. But you can also see that there are a few magnetic particles that stick to the center as if going back in.
so I conclude that the magnetic field is going in one way and exiting the other way. But there is also an opposite direction of the field as well. Also, when I put the two magnets together side by side, you can see in the magnetic ink that the center focal point in the doughnut hole of the magnets shifts from the center. IOW, in both magnets, the center point of the magnetic field move closer together.
In conclusion, one side of each magnet has a stronger magnetic field than the other. One side is the "intake" and the other is the "exhaust". In both "intake" and "exhaust" there are magnetic fields going in the opposite direction.
One thing that came to mind to see this further is to make ferrofluid and put it inside a glass ball. In the very center of the ball, putting a doughnut magnet inclosed in a glass where the glass has a hole too. I would like to see the ferrofluid react to such thing. I just want to see the magnetic fields visually more clearly.
Quote from: joel321 on June 20, 2015, 01:04:49 AM
Hey TA here's a .gif of what I mean.
http://i.imgur.com/LXdjpSS.gifv (http://i.imgur.com/LXdjpSS.gifv)
One side of the doughnut magnet, the magnetic ink populates the center of the hole and in the very center of the hole, where I'm assuming the magnetic fields comes to a point, there is visual evidence that there are magnetic fields coming out.
The other side of the doughnut magnet, the center hole repels all of the magnetic particles. But you can also see that there are a few magnetic particles that stick to the center as if going back in.
so I conclude that the magnetic field is going in one way and exiting the other way. But there is also an opposite direction of the field as well. Also, when I put the two magnets together side by side, you can see in the magnetic ink that the center focal point in the doughnut hole of the magnets shifts from the center. IOW, in both magnets, the center point of the magnetic field move closer together.
In conclusion, one side of each magnet has a stronger magnetic field than the other. One side is the "intake" and the other is the "exhaust". In both "intake" and "exhaust" there are magnetic fields going in the opposite direction.
One thing that came to mind to see this further is to make ferrofluid and put it inside a glass ball. In the very center of the ball, putting a doughnut magnet inclosed in a glass where the glass has a hole too. I would like to see the ferrofluid react to such thing. I just want to see the magnetic fields visually more clearly.
That's easy. Take a plastic sphere, cut it in half, insert ferro fluid and epoxy back together. You could also add a toroid inside before gluing. JB Weld would work great for this but, you have to mix it correctly according to the instructions. While you are at it, go ahead and fix some stuff around your house instead of tossing it away. You have the epoxy mixed up already so...go for it.
Bill
QuoteThat's easy. Take a plastic sphere
I would prefer to use glass since the surface of the glass has less friction than the surface of plastic. Can I Jbweld weld glass? lol ;D
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 19, 2015, 09:55:59 PM
You may want to read up on the FARADAY Effect, since it has nothing to do with "bending light with magnetism".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_effect
Pardon you foolish son, ...but bending light with magnetism is as grounded and firmly a fact as is your ignorance.
Photons have no electric charge........Bullet-proof example,please.
John.
Delbruck scattering but we don't believe in quantum-do we?
J.
Repeating infinitely the same scientific dogma, without seeing the already existent alternatives, is not a sign of great mental state. It is just a dogmatic behavior which shape a similar reality!
Trying to coax something useful from Sadang.
Quote from: joel321 on June 20, 2015, 01:50:10 AM
I would prefer to use glass since the surface of the glass has less friction than the surface of plastic. Can I Jbweld weld glass? lol ;D
Sure you can. I fixed a broken beer mug with it.
Bill
Well its a funny farm here hahahahah and with my 3 amorous components ATOMIX 93RD ELEMENT ATOM1 I have decided to combine them as the 1st the 3rd the 5th harmonic boundaries that produce a minor major north and south magnetic pole hahahahahahhahaah
T A whats up son ???? You know we love you hahahah !
Stress is avoidable try this magic tea potion ! 20 bags of green tea 20 bags of camomile vitamin c potassium salts cranberry juice and a dash of honey and a little nutmeg to boost hormone production ..... A very large cooking pot full with water and boil the water until the ph of the water hit PH9 turn off the water and than add the magic tea . Don't drink it for two days as the plant bacteria needs to produce the enzymes ... Than drink it all with some infant baby milk to line the stomach and boost your cells with important vitamins ...
Than walk a couple of miles to push it all around the body ! The plant bacteria will off set the lack of mitochondria that is required for the conversion of ATP to cell energy ..... Do this and you will fill a million bucks repeat once a week !
I want you to live TA not get so stressed out that you end up shooting everyone !!!! Calm down please !!!!
Now back to magnets ! NORTH = MAJOR SOUTH = MINOR Its very simple ! A major can also become a minor or a north can also become a south its all in the scales ...... Each magnetic field line of force is a string made of one electron that has been separated into 2.2 trillion X Y components learn how to split an electron !!!!
A monopole is achieved when X OR Y is hidden at the plank level and it will need to go through a hole in the fabric of space ! This fabric could be dielectric fields but as all fields are string and string is harmonic than between the scales where there are holes and I do mean holes where nothing exists but what is stuck in them or passing through them.... These holes are what remains of the nothing that all and everything was once made from ... You can never have something without nothing in it hahahah
Now as TA is in a perpetual flux of total confusion chaos and having more tattoos done let him take some time to fill the needle and stimulate he's brain into excepting that the needle is making holes in him ahahahhahahahahaha
I propose an experiment in the quantum that Minnie is the hole in the fabric of space and time but for now you can just hold to your own on that until we agree the experiment that will prove the quantum exists ...
So TA The monopoles do exist but not man made ones they are all false ! NOT REAL ! Only mother nature can make real monopoles something to do with the energy needed to make them ! like super nova ! That's a big enough bang to make any hole hahahahahah just don't eat to many magnets ahahaha
So my question is the supernatural a dielectric constant ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
ATOM1
Does anybody remember "The Gong Show?"
hahahah mile high hahahaha the what show ???? does it have a frog in it hahah so mr mile high what is the day job like ? where is your lab ? its getting a bit boring in here , what it needs is some real excitement something that will bring everyone to one space at the same time with a few million to burn on some amazing projects .. it will obviously include all fees and accommodation with good up beat entertainment ....
This will need someone to win the lottery ! As time traveling is required I HAVE A PLAN HAHAH ! Or we are all going to slowly disintegrate into walking reptiles in reverse evolution ........ you get one life to make it all happen ! in other words ! Come on you lot of man made concepts inverted bio plodomediums syncroadnominia make happen ...............................................................................................
talk about boooorrrrring where is the energy wake up ......... lets do it all !!! I know how we can win the lottery !
ATOM1
A big shout-out to Mr. fake talker himself,
Atom1:
No response to the following, and no surprise at all there is no response:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Atom1:
I will answer your question, and I am also asking you a question myself:
Please tell us how a coil works. Please write up a description of about five or six full paragraphs minimum in your own words in order to demonstrate your technical competency to us.
Quote
I asked you a question show me your formula of how an electron is created from nothing ?
The answer to your question is that there is no formula.
Are you not satisfied with my answer? Okay fine, then please answer your question for us so that we can all be enlightened. I would suggest to you that your answer be at least three or four full paragraphs in length, preferably more.
Looking forward to reading your two comprehensive answers to the two questions posted above. This is an opportunity for you to teach us and enlighten us.
Looking forward to reading your insights.
MileHigh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
People like this guy Atom1 make a total mockery of this forum because they are little more than a random number generator that is used to select snippets of tech phrases and string them together into what sounds like a technical discussion. In reality it's just fake stream-of-tech-consciousness mumbo jumbo talk.
Like I said before, this guy will crank out very verbose nonsense postings until he burns out then disappears. It's an insult to the people that are sincerely trying to do experiments and to learn something.
MileHigh
Atom'so my question is the supernatural a dielectric
constant ??????'
The million dollar question....or like this: is reality a dielectric constant????? Deeeeeep shit...
Milehigh'Like I said before, this guy will crank out very verbose
nonsense'
Uh-uh,listen not with ur ears,read btween lines with this man
Quote from: profitis on June 20, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
Milehigh'Like I said before, this guy will crank out very verbose
nonsense'
Uh-uh,listen not with ur ears,read btween lines with this man
I have read enough of his posts to know that technically, he can't punch his way out of a wet paper bag. You are looking at "performance art." This guy is channelling Innovation Station, a.k.a. IST, or he might even be IST.
Milehigh'I have read enough of his posts to know that technically, he can't punch his way out of a wet paper bag'
Really? Then why cannot you answer his simpleton question'is all of reality a dielectric constant?'..who dares answer this..
Quote from: profitis on June 20, 2015, 09:53:06 PM
Milehigh'I have read enough of his posts to know that technically, he can't punch his way out of a wet paper bag'
Really? Then why cannot you answer his simpleton question'is all of reality a dielectric constant?'..who dares answer this..
Don't play the strawman game. I don't even know what his question is, I am not going to try to find it, and I never volunteered to answer it.
Milehigh'I don't even know what his question is'
But I just told you what his question is
Milehigh'I am not going to try to find it, and I never volunteered to answer it.'
Why not??
Atom'You can never have something without nothing in it'
Genius..a something and a nothing comprises a dielectric..yet A something is a nothing and a nothing a something,fuck!
OH DEAR ! HAHAHAHAHAH a comedy chat show hahaha let me point out a few facts your brain will never understand its so stuffed with tex book rubbish and you follow it like a lost sheep in its out of date logic .....................................................................................
First the coil hahahah plug it in son and than it works hahahahahahh but you will only see what you are told to see ! I am not of the same brain washed rubbish as you .... I measure everything only in harmonics and the number of harmonics and unlike you I work with the best there is ! I do mean work not just siting at the computer reading the same old crap that brain washed you....................................
The coli is a string and inside that string is another string ! And just for once see it as it really is not he way your brain has been told and controlled to see . Right now son just let all that you have been thought vanish into the hole it came from ..........................................
This coil is far more than a coil it has more than just a bunch of free electrons in it and that is my focus of interest ! I will never be dragged down to your level of analysis because I am not interested in the old way and to sit your test of stupid questions that serve only your laws of observation. I hold the dictionary of electrons in my left hand and keep it firmly shut but in my right hand is the measuring rod that the divine creator has given me.
I count every electron and measure the length of its flux and the particles it is made of isolating there every position speed and vector including there distance between each other and there individual mass as only to learn there harmonic conditions before a charge is delivered ! That is not in your tex book son ! Not interested in the tex book you are reading because I am writing my own tex book called the quantum mechanics tool kit. And very soon the dictionary of electronics will be thrown in the bin and every student in the world will be learning the fine are of harmonic response in an electron field...
So sorry I missed your theory of how to create an electron , my computer is now isolated from the internet and only is connected by two port holes so my brain is protected from the evil crap that the so called internet is attaching to my computer. And don't give me a conversion from a negative charge as a formula to create an electron from nothing, And I never travel back in time for I don't have time to waste....
So with this in mind you can either do two things throwaway your tex books and start again or sink in your battle ship because its got a 2.2 trillion holes in put there by me...
Your computer is designed by your tex book but its not a generator of electrons or an over unity device and it will never fly ! So its electronics is of no bloody use to me...... But I can build all the components including tiny little Nano boots that you can wear and even eat them to help you clean your dirty filthy mouth ......
But I will forgive you because your brain is lost in a tex book written by your refection and ignorance as to the laws of harmonics that govern the universe ! The made the universe and even made you ! I sir am the proud owner of the most advanced technology in this galaxy and not just this planet for there are 12 earth planets in our galaxy that make up the chromatic order of all intelligent life. But you sir are only interested in a stupid coil and spent 2 years arguing with TA as to hes description of the dielectric constant that he presented as fact and not fiction.
Now what do you want me to do with this coil ? I can do everything you can never do ! Your laws have resistance and all its free electrons are not coupled to open the vacuum so son your dreams of real power can never be achieved unless you connect it to the so called ambient ............................................................... that crap !
Try the natural harmonic but that will only switch on a light bank with a tiny amount of heat ........that's crap ! You can try the kapanadaze set up but that is not safe it attracts ground radiation like radon so that is crap to. I like to levitate my coil because its fun and safe to do ............................you cant do that only I can do that !
If you hold a coil that I made I can operate it no matter where you are in the solar system ! You will never achieve that son your head is so firmly stuck in that stupid dumb tex book that the best thing you can do is put it in the bin ASAP ................................................
If you want a technical description for your coil its in your stupid electronics dictionary the one that I am going to completely re write with the laws of the numerological constant the laws of electro harmonic response, quantum dynamics of the electron mass dielectric harmonic, the zero point electron field and particle duality for X and Y electron mass . That's just the beginning !
What are the new laws that you have discovered ? And where are they now ? for there not in your head because in your head is a stupid tex book written in the wrong language for it can not determine the position of free electrons prior to any conductive process and that is why there are so many different results that so many people are getting ....
Un like you I can take out all the electron in the coil and put them back in one at a time ! No man on this planet can do that son but me and me alone and is the reason why I am government funded and you are not ! I also have a sense of hummer and never take it to seriously for life is to dame short .
Now put me to the test son !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ATOM1
Like I said, you just proved that you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about and this is all some bizarre form of performance art..... until you burn out and disappear.
Holy shit!the coming man!
ATOM1, Hey master I "bow down" to your intelligence and would like to see video to understand further your brilliance. LOL
Mile high ! Dump the terms EMF MF back EMF resistance and all its laws before written ! Please use the new term, Dynamic harmonic response . All magnetic fields are strings and with that they have scales ! These scales have dielectric fields that was once called particles and a re distributed in harmonic formation of Major and Minor scales . It is the only way to know the correct position for all there positions there spin and there vector.
Let go son ! I am sorry that you hate artists and yes I am one ! I can rock any house into a frenzy of natural harmonic response ! All that you have learned is now made void in complete utter rubbish ! Start again ! And for the first time in human history the magnetic field is measured as Major and Minor with Major AS North and Minor south now you can find the positions along there strings.
Harmonic is far more simple and a 5 year old can learn it in just a day ! That might be very difficult for you because you have been brain washed and pulled through to many tex books and theories so throw them in the bin ASAP................................................................
Every event horizon of energy for energy has these harmonics along there lines of force its just the way it is get used to it fast ! I am in agreement with MAGNETOHS as re the very important need for a OU lab funded by donation so all technology can be confirmed independently along with its much need revised formulas ect ect ..................................................................................................
TA has provide me with a very important education as to the reality of the laws of this dielectric construct but it was missing the harmonic values and now I have produced them in definitive un removable logic .............................................................................................
Please stop the insults rants back stabbing hate field verbal its sickening to hear it from someone as you ! START AGAIN SON !
Go to a real piano learn the scales open up the piano and measure the length of the strings and the pressure applied to sound them in key ...... Relate them to everything and I do mean everything !
Quantum entanglement is why ambient energy is made available to your so called coils ! Ask only how does a particle or point of charged flux that is 1000 meters away from the coil that you are charging with a 50hz 10 watt AC current attract and hit the coil ! It is only one thing and that is because of a string ! Everything is connected and the only place you will ever find nothing is inside an singularity that it self is a hole. But where there is nothing sometimes there is something around it or going through it..................................................
This is my harmonic response to you ! Get used to it son ! START AGAIN !
Now empty all the electrons out of your string coil and if you manage it you will have created a vacuum of empty space and with that vacuum the so called coil can do many things not yet written by science !
There are millions of years to follow it would be very boring if there was never to be any more discoveries so expect knowledge to grow at an equal rate to the expansion of the universe. The plank level will be a home for you my son ! But first you must make your tex book walk the plank ahahahahhahh
Now unite ! be all for one and one for all ! Speak to MAGNETHOS ASAP AS TO THE LAB AND ALL FUNDING ECT ECT ! And get this ship afloat and in the water !
ATOM1
Oh Great Atomic1 One:
I have a great revelation for you about coils. It came to me when I was working the fields in the San Joaquin valley.
Imagine that it's watermelon season. You go to the supermarket and you find an empty shopping cart. You load up the shopping cart with a bunch of big beautiful watermelons.
The great revelation for you Oh Great Atomic1 One is that the shopping cart filled with watermelons is also a coil! No kidding!
When you eat a slice of one of the watermelons, it's like putting on ice skates and then dancing on the strings of a giant piano and absorbing the natural dynamic harmonic response of the strings. With one skate on a C string and one skate on a G string of the mind, they say it's a better experience than the finest desert mescal. And, if the celestial spheres also happen to be in harmonic resonance when you do this, you get to meet Jim Morrison!
MileHigh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AByIokt3X0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AByIokt3X0E)
that's more like it mile high stay with your wit and hummer keep your higher self in front of you at all times and never again fall into dark energy or let is soak into your body and soul again ! When we are so often surrounded by the negative we hardly know that our resonance is being affected . TA needs to let go to ! he's got to much talent oscillating this negative and forming it into hes day to day reality.
There is a dark side its sad to say but it is there trying to eat away the light exchanging it for evil blinded stupidity ! This darkness is why humanity is 90% going in the wrong direction so there is a lot of work to do to turn it around and place it on the harmonic path of enlightenment .... I do not doubt your talent knowledge or ability but I must stay focused on the laws of harmonics .............................
It would do you a grate amount of goodness if you searched all you can on the numerological constant and the secrets of the 9 ............
I wish to present the numerological constant in the hydrogen spectrum but there is no point if you don't research the secrets of the 9 and its significance in everything !
We here at the OU are under constant attack from other negative energies they now have opened there attack on the internet and this must not continue ! We must fight back with all that we have as truth knowledge and the ability to manifest the long awaited solutions to the not yet formed free world...
I shout out land ahoy captain rise up the freedom flags open up the sales and head straight ahead ! We a have it all including the life after death and now we live forever in the light ! I declare to all here prepare for battle man the guns and load them with truth love devotion to life and the ever eternal flame ........
Now take hold of the MAGNETHOS principle for funding the OU lab and very soon it will have all the keys to unlock the enslaved here on this world ! Ripen it up take its seeds and sow them into the furnace of the great robot called charity and she will never stop producing all and everything ...
Wait no longer delay no further hesitate and we are doomed ! Make the funding real and start by donation stand together and fight ! fight with all your might day and night ! Make is so mile high and deliver with MAGNETHOS the foundation for growth and development ASAP
For if we here at the OU don't stand together than only evil will control all the free energy and ruin a chance for a free and just new world ! These words are trustworthy and true !
Now rise the flags and let be about it men and boys old and young or its the end of humanity and than we would of all failed our purpose of the life we all share and dream off ...
ATOM1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEhxaKuh4_M
R U THER NUMBER 9 HAHAHAH NICE TRACK .............. Its the strangeness of the 9 that is bugging me and why is everything connected to it ? The universe is excel orating but it does not affect this number 9 ? An energy equation I am working on is 360 degrees for a circle and its connection to-273K absolute zero, not a lot of energy down there ! But is the true temperature of the primary state universe -360K ?And does all the energy convert into the number 87 and how many zeros do we need to add to isolate the number of all fields in the universe ?
ATOM1
Atom' shout out land ahoy captain rise up the freedom
flags open up the sales and head straight ahead ! We
a have it all including the life after death and now we
live forever in the light ! I declare to all here prepare
for battle man the guns and load them with truth love
devotion to life and the ever eternal flame ........'
Wowiii! Ma hero :-* sigghhh(inluv)
JJ. Thomson- Nobel prize-Identify electron as a particle.
Son GP. Thomson-Nobel prize-identify electron as a wave.
K. Wheeler-Nobel prize-dismiss electron?
Was Einstein an idiot?
Close down particle accelerators?
Delete everything "Quantum ?"
280 odd pages and who knows?
John.
ahah don't so empty of ambition ! A 200 tone rock needs 1000 men to lift it 10 elephants ! In life we can either role to the stop and never role again or we build the wheel of fortune than never stops rolling ! What I don't understand is the lack of unity among men ? It was never like that 10 000 years ago and they really had it tough. Now you cant role an egg without someone jumping on it !
What are you going to die for ? nothing ? A Nobel prize for observing the obvious ? hahah no thanks ! If you new what I do you to would want to live and die for something worth more than every second in the last 13.8 billion years . The road ahead can lead beyond this life but its not there by chance you have to build a bridge and the mind to travel in .
If you know what I do you would not mope around waiting for your light to burn out you would work as like 10 000 men with the harts all beating in time and rhythm and pull and pull and pull and pull and pull and pull and pull and pull .......................................................
I have far more to offer than just truth ! LET GO AND OPEN YOUR WORLD WIDER THAN LIFE !
ATOM1
Quote from: ATOM1 on June 21, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
ahah (Sentences begin with a capital letter) don't so empty of ambition ! (What?) A 200 tone (ton) rock needs 1000 men to lift it 10 elephants ! In life we can either role (you mean roll right?) to the stop and never role (roll?) again or we build the wheel of fortune than never stops rolling ! What I don't understand is the lack of unity among men ? It was never like that 10 000 years ago and they really had it tough. Now you cant role (roll?) an egg without someone jumping on it !
What are you going to die for ? nothing ? (Missing a capital letter) A Nobel prize for observing the obvious ? hahah (another capital letter missing) no thanks ! If you new (knew?) what I do you to would want to live and die for something worth more than every second in the last 13.8 billion years . The road ahead can lead beyond this life but its not there by chance you have to build a bridge and the mind to travel in .
If you know what I do you would not mope around waiting for your light to burn out you would work as like 10 000 men with the harts (hearts?) all beating in time and rhythm and pull and pull and pull and pull and pull and pull and pull and pull .......................................................
I have far more to offer than just truth ! LET GO AND OPEN YOUR WORLD WIDER THAN LIFE !
ATOM1
Such a genius that can not even form a complete sentence nor spell properly. Please learn how to type and spell and then maybe someone will
take your ridiculous rants a little more seriously.
Bill
Pirate'ridiculous rants a little more seriously.'
btween the lines pirate,btween.this man knows more than the rest combined,very apparent to the awakes.let us not crucify him again.not that same mistake again
Idegen'Are you an idiot?'
Well what the fuck are you man. Who appointed you the fingerpointer.only a fool will cast the first stone
Idegen'I'm a dick.'
at least ur honest man u got my respec baby mwa.a dick has the right to throw the first stone on his own nuts yes but try throwing a stone at that man and I'l rip your fucking eyes out
Idegen' threw stone at my head.'
So who's the idiot now
Sometime I write without my glasses hahahah its a blur but also one can never so perfect all the time I don't have time to edit re write and all life is made from mistakes I am just a man ...
From here on I will just hold my passion back and keep thing simple sorry for the errors in my writing !
The problem here is unity among all ! This is a reflection of all humanity ! So before over unity is achieved it might be a good idea to achieve unity with each other first ... OWN THIS WORLD TOGETHER OR IT WILL DIE !
ATOM1
Come on Sadang!
John.
Quote from: minnie on June 22, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
Come on Sadang!
John.
Come on to what John? To correct you about who discovered the so called wave behavior of the so called electron? Or to emphasize the mistake made by J.J. Thompson in his endeavor to discover the so called electron and further to consider it as a particle? Or to what? To pollute this topic with other endless and pointless contradictions and sterile polemics? No way! I read everything (excluding what two users write, users that I added to my ignore list), do my own work, study and research. And pointing here and there, that what we know as we know, is totally wrong! And unfortunately we shape a reality accordingly! Who understand what I want to say very well, who does not understand, that's it! And that's all!
It's profound when I consider the implications. Virtually everything I've read
is nonsense,wrong!
Sadang, you and a selected few are on a higher plane. I'm best just
shifting manure as I've done throughout my working life.
I've read a bit about quantum and I've found it beautiful in a sort of
way-even if it is all rubbish!
All I strive to do is coax a bit out of topic otherwise it'll just die a death
just like so many other things,
John.
QuoteSometime I write without my glasses hahahah its a blur but also one can never so perfect all the time I don't have time to edit re write and all life is made from mistakes I am just a man ...
The problem here is unity among all ! This is a reflection of all humanity ! So before over unity is achieved it might be a good idea to achieve unity with each other first ... OWN THIS WORLD TOGETHER OR IT WILL DIE !
I was NOT expecting such words to come out of a crazy lunatic! "master". But that is very true indeed. The problem is that all of us are wearing "glasses" so is kind of a fresh of breath air to tell us that "one can't SEE with out the prescribe eye (mandatory) glasses".
The thing that is happening right now is that 90% of the population will die pretty soon. All of those Kim kardashian lovers, all of those gay marriage supporters, all of those MONEY makes the world go round...they will get PHASED out pretty soon. I'm talking about the next GREAT extinction. It is kind of eye opening that your eye glasses is prediction to the blindness of humanity. Lol
Don't worry "master" you will survive (or at least your genetic code does, by having with MANY females or by freezing your sperm) and those 10% of the smart folk population, the rest will perish and will give birth to a new era of humanity. IN a world where GREED does not even exist...we can print 100's of dollars for everyone "master" as long as they can understand that "we" are trying to make their live better and not take advantage of them...FREEE SCHOOOLING FOR EVERYONE ONE! FREEE AIR for everyone! FREEE FOOD for everyone! FREEE health care for everyone. FREEE water for everyone. Hmmmm FREEE things that are given from mother nature/mother nature! from the start before GREEED (mentality) put a prize on it!
"Master" can you imagine where "teaching" (evolution) is FREEE? Lol
"Master" I would kiss your feet if they did not stink!
Poor old Sadang once refered to an electron gun and electrons
that was a bit of an "own goal" wasn't it?
Although ATOM1 is obviously a real nut-case I have to admire
his "free thinking" spirit.
The whole TA thingy seems fraught with so many problems that
the "Nobel prize" will have to go on hold form another year or two!
Nature is all geometry and mathematics and ATOM1 had a real
bit of inspiration with his point about Gravity.
Sadang seems devoid of any sense of humour. Talk about polluting a topic,
what about TA's endless coprolalia.
They mess about with ferrocells and stuff but I came across the "Squid" when
I was looking a quantum tunneling and the sun. Apparently a squid can detect
a change in energy which is 100 billion times weaker than that needed to move
a compass needle. With a tool like that you're in with a good chance of proving
TA's ideas.
As far as I can see you just can't do without all these things like electrons,
photons, phonons and quantum effects, the system just requires them to do
what it does.
I've only just started looking at this sort of thing in the last year and it's
all so exciting........if only there was a bit more sand left in my timer!
I'd just love to be able to understand a bit of where TA's coming from. It's
a pity the book doesn't have about 10 pages of good material and a couple of
bullet-proof experiments and measurements. Less could easily be more.
Now where did I put my shovel?
Peasant John.
Lol evrybody in this thread fights about a definition of nothing.don't fight too hard with urself thar minnie,let it go.the bathroom mirror is the best microscope to reality
Field Theory: What is a FIELD?
Part 1 General Relativity insanity & Quantum Quackery
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jov9C3PeWH8
Part 2 General Relativity insanity & Quantum Quackery
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir5Q0-kswmU
https://youtu.be/ir5Q0-kswmU
That whole video looked to me that you where talking about a bro! Lol
If you understand that, tell me how to fuck a hot super model ? Lol.
In a scientific model bro, How TO FUCK A SUPER MODEL EQUATION?
I'm talking about females like this http://m-static.flikie.com/ImageData/WallPapers/20cfb9de5f4911df8792000b2f3ed30f.jpg currently I have -100% sleeping with her! If you did not catch that, I have NEGATIVE 100% sleeping with her. Maybe IF I was rich, I could offer her one million for one night! But she does not see the truth of reality! AND I don't have the money! SOO, magnetic "master" of truth, how can I make her bend over for me for life? or just one night at least lol
Joel,
I don't understand the words that you've written, but I do appreciate the picture.
Mother Nature at it's best!!!
John.
My boys at work today,
John.
Joel'Maybe IF I was rich, I could offer her one million for one night!'
Lol with todays inflation she'l tell you to go to hell with that million peanuts
Had a hard day on the farm and for a bit of fun started
Looking for something to try and post on missing secrets.
I don't know about the missing secrets but it is sure missing
some contributors.
Anyways I turned up a few terms such as near field, that
led me to evanescent waves which led to surface plasmon
polariton waves. Now somehow that sounds as if it could
be related to the effect shown by a ferrocell.
I've decided that electrons are needed because they give
structure to everything and you wouldn't get very far without
structure would you?
I'm just hoping that the counterspace guys can come up
something amazing that I can actually understand because at
the moment I'm not getting anywhere with it.
We're having a bit of bother with a quick brown fox at the
moment and at the rate ducks are being taken we soon won't
have any left.
John. (Is there anybody out there?)
John,
Is not a bit too late to shear the sheep? Or you live somewhere in the Nordic countries? However, my appreciation for this lifestyle. You are more closer to understand and shape harmonious the nature than a scientist at CERN, who understand and shape only his reality, far away from the nature and its harmonious laws.
Regarded the electron and your conviction that it gives structure to everything, let me tell that science talks about two main characteristics for it, namely it is a wave and/or a particle, depending in what kind of interactions it participate. And in the current atom model, the electron is an infinitesimal part from its entire volume and mass. The nucleus gives any structure mass and our perception of solidity, of matter. Now go at a large scale and see the Universe which follow the same patterns and proportions of emptiness. Think about all these!
For counterspace you have to screw further and deeper your mind and to dig at the root of current human concepts. The explanations are very simple, always in front of us (to really understand we have to first redefine what we are), but not simplex to quote Ken's words. Let me suggest an example: What we won by switching from geo-centrism to helio-centrism, besides just changing one reference with another? Was this followed by a change in our pattern of thinking also? Think at all these under a tree at the farm or in the forest, not under a lamp in the lab.
SaDAng
QuoteMy boys at work today,
Put a pretty female right next to them and see how their TRUTH comes out!
They will all try to impress the girl! It will increase production though. If you want your "boys" to find a female, put many available females in front of them, eventually ALL will find one to marry and have kids with!
You have to understand the VORTEX of life! When you are teaching! You become the GOD of their life (dad/mom). If ONLY you can provide a girl for the three guys and just show them one, they will fight and 100% 2 will end up alone. If you provide 5 girls for the three guys to choose from, two girls will end up single in the end. This is how the vortex of life tries to balance itself! Lol
I have a feeling you may not understand such things! lol 8)
''f you provide 5 girls for
the three guys to choose from, two girls will end up
single in the end.''
Bullshit.all 5 will get a quarter boyfrend.sperms is cheap
I keep doing a bit of looking and came across a chapter by George Fleck.
In "Form Function and Functioning" he mentions the aether and says by the
1880's the luminiferous aether had become dogma. He mentions several
famous scientists and there is a reference or two to "vortex"
Apparently after the publication of his 1905 papers where Einstein put
forward his ideas on quanta and photo electric effect he was regarded for
some considerable time to be on the lunatical side.
John.
And then the experimental and observational verifications of his predictions started rolling in...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity)
http://physics.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node97.html (http://physics.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node97.html)
Would you call this dogma?
Good work John. Keep doing it! And nice corner of heaven! With Cerberus at its gates! ;-)
I LIKE THE DOG MA AND THE SHEEP MAMAMAMAMAMAM HAHAHA They look like good friends do they eat magnets hahah
I have a secret to tel ! But first check out the secrets of 9 in numerology than use this formula to affect time and space with a set number equation for electrons ! Electrons do have structure its there event horizon it shares the same inverse law of a black hole .
The soul has electricity is it ambient or electron or static ????????? An orb is a vortex you can see its spin does its spin increase when it moves through an object ?????? Is its field a diamagnetic bubble made from the earths magnetic field ???? How can we determine it ????????
I have learnt how to take out the free electrons out of wire ! I will be most happy to share that but I am trying to put them back in in a numerological formula ?????? I can seem to get one back in ?????????? I want to build a coil that replicates numerological harmonics of the 9 hahahahah if a ghost can so can we .....
ATOM1
Yes ATOM, you can only put an electron in a specific place in your atom
and that must give it structure.
Spirals occur everywhere in nature,snail shells, fir cones, weather systems
goats horns, sunflower seeds and even galaxies.It begs the question why not
find spirals in magnetic fields?
John.
HI JOHM HOWS THE MINNIE HAHA
I see only string with magnetic fields ! An Octave with scales as fields Major and Minor north south ect ! Unless the magnetic field is detached from the magnet that holds it down ...
With life its different the fields are constantly working and in that I do see the spirals also the universal law of bio genetic growth cycles at 15% each cycle as with the shells of sea creatures each segment is 15% larger ect .....
There are problems with dark matter and dark energy as a formula and that is starting to show up in a lot of research it just don't work as to what we see !
Galaxies and there spirals with the stars in orbit have other phenomena that is happening ! Stars are at a constant speed around the galactic core unlike planets around a sun that speed up the closer they are to the core ... It is said that dark matter must hold this star to its galactic core as a missing mass number ! But I try and value it and don't see it as a gravity or mass !
Yet I do see the spiral and don't see the values for its growth that information is missing and I hope it is the magic 15% the galaxies must also get bigger as it brakes down into smaller mass I would hope to see this some how ! A quantised state universal number over its life span ! If that was confirmed than the link is made ...
Also there are other missing parts to the puzzle that hold the galaxy together ! pendulums do a strange thing if you have 9 of them in a straight line ! Start with the first than every 10 seconds get all the others up and running and watch them fall into unity of speed and position .... That to me is quantum entanglement but not with photons or electrons ! There must be string of some kind connecting them together but not dark matter ......
Also photons in a fast moving galaxy say the galaxy is at one third to the speed of light like our galaxy and what about the speed of the photons inside the galaxy ??? I except the albert theory of special relativity ect but that is only if you are observing the photons not if you are sitting on one looking straight a head ...
We tent to want to find mass and energy to balance out equations but we also need to include the influence of the nothing ! Also electrons to me jump and do not orbit but do have spin ! I see all the electrons as just one electron jumping around very very fast and in fact they are just catching up with infinity ! Even just one electron from nothing is amazing ! All fields like this may be the same and an atom is made of many fields of particles ect .... Infinity is infinity !
The expansions of the universe need formula like the spiral it may conclude to be the same rate 15% and in phase with life ! ? !
I see string as a fabric just like a cloth and there hole in all cloth ! But the cloth is woven but not by energy but harmonic positions where energy can sit or move in and out of the holes ... An electron is here and than connects as a wave to its second position divide that process into infinity and we get just one electron ...
I have seen strangeness objects move on there own and completely vanish and repair somewhere else ! This is a reality I call it the ghost field but it is a natural law !
I have found numerology in the octave and am studying it ! The thing is uniformity of energy and this numerological logic do strange things ........ Time and space can just fold up back into 9 ...
I see a technology with this a very simple one its a time machine mirror ! Place the TV in front of the mirror and put the 24/7 news channel on ! Let a string build up between the mirror and than experiment with it by the same way as the super luminal experiment and add some slits ect ect between the mirror and TV ! Locate when the earth is in line with its galactic path and the photons will go over the speed limit for a few seconds ........ Place a camera to photon the position at the right time and bingo you have built a time machine camera ...
It also happens when we sleep so try and find the time line position when the sun is starting to rise ..... Think like an electron be in two points in time a particle and a wave ...
The 5th dimension is held at 800 000 000 mph its also the first note above the cosmic octave and neutrinos entre it and than jump back to the 3rd dimension ... We are all heading into the 5th dimension ! There is no time or space there its going to be a strange experience but there are guides and they are here ! Open to them talk to them expect them to talk to you ! Don't be frightened by them when you hear there voice !
And when you John are ready please send me a message to my private box to receive my email I have some numbers in time to share with you as an experiment of this reality ..........
I am pleased you have structure to your electrons hahah may the string be with you hahah lol time to win the lottery why not ????
ATOM1
Numba1''hahah lol time to win the lottery why not ????''
Father,father what numbas shall I put der?? :):)
AND THE PROFIT IS ??? HAHAHAH
Take a blank paper and look close at it say to yourself I will write the winning numbers on it as the game is played ! Its an agreement you make with future time . Than except that time and space are in question and a point of nothing co exists than look again at the paper ! And say to your self the winning numbers are already there its just time and space that is in the way ...
The paper is another time machine ! You become the time lord !
Another time machine was proved when a farmer entered a competition to guess the weight of a bull at an event ! He counted all the people in the tent and divided it by the number 15 and won ... This was repeated in an experiment with 150 people who all wrote the numbers down and than the numbers went through a division of 15 they won ........ hahaha
Its all about energy follows thought numerology light faster than time neutrinos and sharing ! The universe is a sharing system it favours this sharing and is how it became alive ... That's the philosophy ! Now time for the time traveling to begin are you willing to share profit is ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
ATOM1
''Its an agreement you make with future time''
Tnx daddy :):)
I wil use dat num :):)*blush*
Do I hear correctly we have an agreement for the time machines and the lotto experiment ??
Please email me asap prtoneutrons@aol.co.uk I have a gift for you
ATOM!
QuoteI see only string with magnetic fields ! An Octave with scales as fields Major and Minor north south ect ! Unless the magnetic field is detached from the magnet that holds it down ...
By looking at all of the earths animals and colors, we can understand that EVERYTHING are just strings. VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY x maybe 1000, 000 (probably a number of complexity the human cannot comprehend) time very complex.
Can you picture the magnetic strings?
Explain how they would look for each and every shape of a magnet all the way down to a one atom magnet?
Can you picture the magnetic fields all the way down to the photon? In this case the magnetic field is just a "friend" of light because it is not a magnet alone anymore, but can you explain the magnetic field and then the light fields?
OH, now explain the magnetic fields in SOUND! Which I believe sound is your bread and butter, BUT ALSO, explain the sound fields and how they both come together?
Now if we are talking about these "fields" how do you propose alien crafts move around any space? That they could even go around solids like nothing! You must believe in aliens right? (based on the size of the KNOWN universe, how do you explain such things like this?
It looks like alien space ships shape shift in the fields. As if the earth is an onion and the outer top layer of the onion is human visual reference but they can hide under the under layer of the top layer of the onion...it's both sound and visual fields bro...entangling among each other. Fields that make the brain fields think like, "how was that possible" but there is a possibility since it has been done! under the under layer of the onion field. Get it? I'm sure you may get it but the fields are complicated and I would like for you to show your "intelligence". lol
Like these videos show...alien aircraft can hide in "plain" view fields of human eyesight under the layer of the onion field! There are many of them out there but check these out how they hide under the onion layer/field.
https://youtu.be/PCOCSBTu6-s?t=3m26s
https://youtu.be/PCOCSBTu6-s?t=4m25s
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2011/12/magnetic_vortex_-_experimental.html
"MAGNETIC VORTEX - PRATICAL PROOF"
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2011/12/magnetic_vortex_-_experimental.html
"MAGNETIC VORTEX - PRATICAL PROOF"
Quote from: MileHigh on March 24, 2015, 02:24:53 PM
The title of the clip is, "How SEG: Searl Effect Generator produce electricity." The title is misleading, just like a lot of thread titles on this forum are often misleading.
I know how it works, no need to speculate for this one:
In this clip, you are looking at a silly pulse motor that does nothing except produce heat. Coils are pulsed on and off and that makes the rollers roll. That's it, there is no useful output. A simple coil pickup is placed next to the "motor" that senses some changing magnetic flux and that powers the LEDs. The Searl claim is just nonsense, and for the last seven years the only thing that they ever demonstrate is this useless pulse motor. It consumes electrical power and outputs zero. When you put the LED pickup next to the "motor" only a tiny tiny fraction of the input power makes it to drive the LEDs. The output vs. input efficiency is probably something like 1%.
SORRY STILL NO VORTEX !
Please isolate the vector of particle spin along the harmonic string that you keep saying is a magnetic field ???? Doe your field have cow in it hahahahahha
Show the vortex with no electrical stimulus you know no charged dielectric components like electrons hahah
good luck
ATOM1
ATOM1, I have a feeling that the vortex actually exists in all living things and even at the atomic level and even in the sound level (which is part of the atomic level) all the way up to the galactic "black holes" (the black holes have two outer exhausts and two inner intakes in the center, one is just weaker than the other in both exhausts)?
The magnetic field in a doughnut magnet repels microscopic iron particles in one side and sucks in microscopic iron particles in one side. Like this .gif shows. http://i.imgur.com/LXdjpSS.gifv
Those two magnets are just your average doughnut magnet. http://i.imgur.com/nc8RUIq.jpg and the powder is just microscopic powder iron to the microns. You can see how the powder iron "behaves" in one side of the magnet from the other. http://i.imgur.com/lEyItYk.jpg
So in all magnetic fields there is this "imbalance" (which I believe is a vortex) which leads me to believe that even the earth has an "output"/"input" magnetic field that is probably throwing away trash from the output and has a magnetic filter in the input side. And this is where I go deep in the "field" even in magnets.
A doughnut shaped magnet has a stronger magnetic field on one side than the other = input. The stronger side pushes magnetic fields in the center to so they eject = output to the other side of the magnet = magnetic field = 100% imbalance = 100% vortex. It IS AN UNBALANCED VORTEX = a vortex is an in and out in opposite directions! IOW, a constant movement of the marry go round carnival ride from surrounding "sound" energy from the "cosmos". For sure the magnetic field "decay" but they are still "gathering" their magnetic fields from the "air" by a magnet staying in the closet for years!. All the WAYYY down to the quantum rabbit hole! YES we "understand" light at a certain level, yes we understand what water is at a certain level = mathematical language model to make sense of mature! lol BUt understanding the MODEL of MATHEMATICS TO EXPLAIN NATURE DOES NOT MEAN TRUTH !))% TO THE QUANTUM!
And this happens all the way from the "big world" to the "quantum" level. AND it MUST happen to the "ALIEN" level too. There is this YET TO FIND ANSWER to the DNA where particles shape-shift! This find to the "molecule" would mean the difference from going 10,000MPH to going 10,000 times the speed of light.
I think you need to accept vortexes in EVERYTHING! I mean in sound, IF there was not a sound in the same Hertz, would you not hear a different sound every year? The sound is like a photon! Or a proton, which I'M SURE THEY CAN MAKE DIFFERENCE SOUNDS! But their sound is a vortex that keeps coming back. This "vortex" is like a "DNA" that is encoded to keep staying the same while at the same time moving!WHAT IS THIS "dna" THAT KEEPS SOMETHING MOVING/LIVING? Humans eat and poop? Gas engines eat gasoline and poop out gases. Galaxies eat "dark" matter and poop out "dark matter" BUT they are all vortexes from the galactic to the atomic? If not, explain why not?
WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE IN VORTEXES!?
Bathe me with your intelligence master ATOM1.
I saw a lot of vídeos of TheoriaApophasis. Despite his emotional language, I found very interesting ideas.
I start to read this topic from beginning, some technical objections must be answered in depth.
First, the CRT magnetic experiments shows 2 different and apparently contradictory explanations.
The classical one, based on Lorentz equation cannot explain everything. TheoriaApophasis brought many good arguments, however some was put upside down. Which does not facilitate understanding.
Any new and most complete theory have to prove the correctness of results obtained by the previous one. So, at first the language must be the same.
At his time, the Maxwell Electromagnetic Theory introduced a new revolutionary concept, the Electric Displacement. This concept is the very foundation of present electromagnetic theory. But it was forgotten and misundesrtood.
Without
it would be impossible to derive the electromagnetic wave equation!
To be continued...
Ive finally proven and have the math proof for WHY Gauss readings are equal on each "pole", but the transverse (light etc) phase shift effect of phenomena coincident to either pole is DIFFERENT.
The absolute last key of magnetism, Ive finally got it fully solved. ( i had it solved, but didnt have the complete answer).
So simplex.
At last, ...........every aspect and every attribute has been sealed up. ;D
Quote from: sadang on June 04, 2015, 03:04:57 AM
Another very interested topic
the very last missing 'link' of magnetism has now (I got it) finally been solved.
equalized magnetic Gauss flux density and dissimilar phase shifts has finally been solved.
I got it, and Ive got the formula for it, and I have the simplex explanation for it, and the very very last "key" has been clarified and solved.
Time to celebrate ;D
Quote from: minnie on June 21, 2015, 03:43:09 PM
JJ. Thomson- Nobel prize-Identify electron as a particle.
NOPE.........JJ Thompson denied for a very very VERY long time the BS notion that his discovery was a "particle"
he was convinced he would get a nobel prize and FAME if he acknowledged it was
he did.......
so thats the REAL STORY there
Quote from: minnie on June 21, 2015, 03:43:09 PM
K. Wheeler-Nobel prize-dismiss electron?
Was Einstein an idiot?
Yes, Einstein was a GD IDIOT from hell
I dont have to dismiss the electron, it doesnt exist.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 30, 2015, 08:09:34 AM
Ive finally proven and have the math proof for WHY Gauss readings are equal on each "pole", but the transverse (light etc) phase shift effect of phenomena coincident to either pole is DIFFERENT.
The absolute last key of magnetism, Ive finally got it fully solved. ( i had it solved, but didnt have the complete answer).
So simplex.
At last, ...........every aspect and every attribute has been sealed up. ;D
I would like to see the mathematical proofs. Specially what is your explanation to the opposite magnetic vortices. Could you post something?
Hi Ken,
I'm glad to see you are unstoppable! That's the way when really try to find or understand something. The all pervading ether and its modalities of manifestations are the future not the current scientific empty space filled with everything the human mind can conceive!
Quote...equalized magnetic Gauss flux density and dissimilar phase shifts has finally been solved...
Removing the concept of "Space, the final frontier!" as an empty entity and transforming it in an attribute of field is not so easy to be swallowed by human mind. It is a complete return upside down of all current human concepts.
Just keep go on!
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Hi Dynamic Voryex,
QuoteAny new and most complete theory have to prove the correctness of results obtained by the previous one. So, at first the language must be the same.
That's the sure way to waste your current existence going on a well known road instead of trying something completely new! Dare more than that!
The displacement current emphasize very clear that something is wrong in the current electromagnetic theory, and prove it is only a way from others infinite ways to conceive and shape the reality. It is just an another patch added to the sack, in fact it being patched everywhere.
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on July 31, 2015, 01:54:31 AM
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Hi Dynamic Voryex,
That's the sure way to waste your current existence going on a well known road instead of trying something completely new! Dare more than that!
The displacement current emphasize very clear that something is wrong in the current electromagnetic theory, and prove it is only a way from others infinite ways to conceive and shape the reality. It is just an another patch added to the sack, in fact it being patched everywhere.
SaDAng
Thanks for your kind repply.
The Maxwell Electromagnetic theory has more than 100 years of tecnological succsess. All electronic device is based in these equations. So its impossible to start anything new without referring to current theory. Understanding is facitated using a commom an objective language. Mathematics is that language.
What Ken calls Dielectricity is exactly the Displacement present in Maxwell Theory. Nothing new. The Displacement Current is the first derivative of Displacement. The total current is the electronic J + dD/DT (Displacement current).
The Displacement current existence was proved in vacumm capacitors, where a magnetic field was measured.
So its only a language issue.
The word Dieletric is used to describe a property of 2 diferents mediums, material (molecules and atoms) and vacuum (immaterial or etheric). In material we find eletrical charges, in vacuum we cannot measured none.
Hence, Dieletric is not the best word to use because the process is different in each one.
Hi Dynamic Vortex,
Thank's you paid attention to my message.
QuoteSo its impossible to start anything new without referring to current theory.
Who said that? Who believe this? If all unofficial inventors and scientist would have thought so, nothing would be discovered. Everything can be questioned, especially the bricks of a great theory!
The Newton gravity law has more then 300 years and you can say exactly the same thing as for Maxwell's electromagnetic theory. Just that both are valid and consistent with the current scientific paradigm. Just a way of expression of human will and to shape a specific reality from other infinite others! Specific premises, specific development, specific results! Replace "specific" with "wrong" and the sentence will become more real.
QuoteThe Displacement current existence was proved in vacumm capacitors, where a magnetic field was measured.
I would like to see an example of this, because I know that no one measured ever a magnetic field from a displacement current.
QuoteThe word Dieletric is used to describe a property of 2 diferents mediums, material (molecules and atoms) and vacuum (immaterial or etheric). In material we find eletrical charges, in vacuum we cannot measured none.
What's the difference between material an immaterial, when 99 x 10-14 in an atom is empty space? And going further, what is a charge if electron doesn't exists? At least not as a particle!
Many questions to which can not be answered following the current thinking paradigm. Or can be answered only in an evasive way!
SaDAng
Sadang, I think you need to "evolve" with the rest of us. This "vortex" is not that complicated to understand and by understanding it will not give you dust fairy and poof! There is a brand new car in your drive way. What, personally, I believe is actually your everyday "joe" understanding what the military already understands and maybe even moreeee!
So vortexes exist no mater if you seek someone to convince you, and when you are convince what will the convincer win? A brand new car from you?
The vortex is some way of being like the ocean or air...is like a way to distribute food. I thought about this a bit, do magnets eat? Then I thought, what do they eat? Then I thought they must have a mouth or personality? FOR SURE NEED FOOD TO BE STATIC! By static I mean close to being frozen 'cause nothing is static since your body is moving thousands of miles in the perimeter of the earth!
So lets do the math here! Lets convince sadang that the vortexes exist?
What comes next? Pretty much nothing NOT even a thank you card! So I ask myself if sadang is so against the "vortex" what is his IDIEOLOGY of going against vortex so much?
Instead of you, sadang, asking all of these questions, lets see the evidence and why you go against a vortex?
Even if you drop a ball counter-clockwise it will bounce back clockwise. Unless you can show it will bounce back counter-clockwise- yawn!
Which I don't understand why don't you see a vortex? EVEN A SIMPLE WOOD SCREW GOING IN WOOD! the screw going in is going clockwise while the wood is going counter-clockwise the reason the screw goes in is due to the counterclockwise of the wood! If there was not counter spin, the screw would just spin in space with out moving.
Hi Joel,
Why should I evolve with the rest of you, and not the rest of you have to evolve with me? Which one has priority and why? And why are you convinced I'm against "vortex" and not pro?
Let's summarize a lot of further potential discussions (to keep clean this topic) by this: a screw don't spin by itself, no matter which side of it you are! Extrapolates further by yourself, because I'm too bored to do this again!
SaDAng
QuoteWhy should I evolve with the rest of you, and not the rest of you have to evolve with me? Which one has priority and why? And why are you convinced I'm against "vortex" and not pro?
Well sadang, I would not mind evolving with your ideas in the brain if you can show the end of the road of your brain ideas!
What are they?
How will your brain ideas make in the reversal meaning both based in the material and in the way social animals work? I'm sure you are not rich so money/greed is not a filter of a clear mind thinking.
You have to understand that we are all the same with different way of looking at things with a filter. Maybe the way you think will lead you to an ultimate vortex point of view because that's the way of life. Something dies to give birth to another = vortex. This is the key for evolution really! Not just in magnetism.
QuoteLet's summarize a lot of further potential discussions (to keep clean this topic) by this: a screw don't spin by itself, no matter which side of it you are! Extrapolates further by yourself, because I'm too bored to do this again!
Yes I know the screw does not spin by itself but that was just an example of simplicity.. by the same token pretend the galaxy is a screw! Who or what energy is spinning the galaxy? Your lame answe rwill be it is being sucked by a "black hole" ok. So the black whole needs to "spit" out energy or else the universe would all get sucked in by black holes and the universe would be destroyed by hungry black holes eaters...so there has to be life being "spit" out by "black holes" too.
Now getting back to the SIMPLE understanding of vortexes, what is the definition of a "VORTEX" to you sadang?
Explain a definition of a vortex with great detail in order to understand your point of view of a vortex because I kind of have a feeling you don't understand it or may only understand it in your own way.
Sadang, understand the wave of thinking is the same wave of the ocean we live on. All mental thoughts are in the same wave length frequency and no one is here to prove another mental thinking which brain thought is better than the rest. We all think different in a sub-wave thinking of the universal wave of thinking. Take for example this .gif of the clouds. http://imgur.com/3tKtxPg
By that we can see that the air we breath is a wave of the air around our earth. All animals breath this air even down to the microbial animals like fungus animals that you cannot see with your naked eye. So having settled that all living things need air (those that survive by air mostly) need air. In the oceans, in the oceans of air around us, we all need air to survive. Even clouds are here because of currents of air, and the air gets mixed in by the rotating of the earth. If the earth was not rotating, there would not be air! So we only live in this layer of life! We humans cannot live under water with out gills? Fish cannot live outside the ocean with out lungs?
Explain to me how this ecosystem of this earth is living by just spinning? I'm sure you have an answer to that since the earth is just a seal-sustained ecosystem? Now think how the universe works in an universal space Eco-system?
This simple "debate" of what is a vortex and what is not will not solve world wide solutions. Your focus is just on greed and imbalance self beliefs.
If you don't understand how the universe works, you cannot understand the solution for a greater mother earth health? ::)
Quote from: sadang on July 31, 2015, 01:54:31 AM
Hi Ken,
I'm glad to see you are unstoppable! That's the way when really try to find or understand something
SaDAng
Ive got a lot to lay out in this next edition, including making the reciprocating precessional hyperboloid which extrapolates the hypotrochoidal pattern seen.............making THIS<< so so so so divinely simple for others to picture in their mind, and that it cannot exist any other way....etc.
This seemingly complex magneto-spatial geometry (and its not actually spatial, but thats for later discussion) is so divinely simplex its beyond stunning.
this explains polaric phase shift,
this explains gyromagnetic precession
this explains the extremely simplex hypotrochoidal formation
There is a SOON DAWN when humanity will no longer see Gravity vs Magnetism vs Electricity vs Electrostatics......
this is all but one thing ONLY with one attribute (magnetism) and two hybrid modalities (electricity and so-called 'gravity')
Again, mother nature is not a crazy crack wh0re , the Universe is so so so much more simple than anyone could wish or dream for.
It even blows my damn mind. ;D
Quote from: sadang on July 31, 2015, 11:26:06 AM
Hi Dynamic Vortex,
Thank's you paid attention to my message.
Who said that? Who believe this? If all unofficial inventors and scientist would have thought so, nothing would be discovered. Everything can be questioned, especially the bricks of a great theory!
The Newton gravity law has more then 300 years and you can say exactly the same thing as for Maxwell's electromagnetic theory. Just that both are valid and consistent with the current scientific paradigm. Just a way of expression of human will and to shape a specific reality from other infinite others! Specific premises, specific development, specific results! Replace "specific" with "wrong" and the sentence will become more real.
I would like to see an example of this, because I know that no one measured ever a magnetic field from a displacement current.
What's the difference between material an immaterial, when 99 x 10-14 in an atom is empty space? And going further, what is a charge if electron doesn't exists? At least not as a particle!
Many questions to which can not be answered following the current thinking paradigm. Or can be answered only in an evasive way!
SaDAng
Hi Sadang.
Lets start from beginning.
As I said before is a language issue. Right meanings are fundamental.
We do have working theories that are producing right results.
Yes Newton was right! He did not explained What gravity is. He described How it works in macroscopic phenomena.
Airplanes, rockets, satelites, etc, do work and are made with his equations. NASA uses his equations. So it is not wrong, it is practical.
Besides he invented calculus. One of the most important achievements ever made by a human being. His work benefits all humanity. So we must be humble. He was a genius.
And yes, the Displacement current was validated by experiment! What do you think? That Maxwell "invented" and put something is his theory when nobody was looking? He have to prove! Do some research and you will find.
Maxwell Electromagnetic theory waited for 30 years until the Electromagnetic wave was discovered by Hertz!
It is very arrogant to say now: these guys are mental midgets!
Every day some smart crank go to internet claiming a new revolucionary theory that explains everything! Everybody is wrong, he is right! So, he have to prove.
Start showing What is wrong and why. What is missing. Also be humble to ask: Am I wrong?
I can accept a new discovery, but I am waiting for the logical explanations.
No, there is a huge diference between interatomic and/or intermolecular space and empty space! Fields!
TheoriaApophasis claims a new discovery. I can accept that "a priori".
There are problems in his explanations.
Words like " reciprocation" and incommensurability explains nothing!
There is no way that a contracting vortex becomes an expanding vortex or the contrary.
Where is the current that is associated with the contracting vortex?
Why this vortex spins at opposite direction?
These are logical questions demanding logical answers.
Hi Ken,
I'm afraif the DAWN you speak about will not appear too soon! But I'm conviced it will appear when people will be ready! Right now people have enough imposed mental blocks, to even seize and further to overcome them through their own effort.
But let's hope... because all oceans are made by drops!
Don't hurry with the next edition of the theory, just make it as accessible as it can be to all minds.
---#---
Hi Dynamic Vortex,
There is no any beginning to start from. There is a beginning only if I agree with your so called beginning. Can you agree with and comprehend this aspect? Also, if there is the case, can you expand this agreement with all people around you? If not, then everything is a waste of energy!
And there is not a language issue! There is a thinking issue! Behind any language there is a specific way of thinking! There is the problem, not at the language level, because the meanings (as you say) are fundamental.
Yes, Newton made all you said, and due to its laws we have the current society. But this should stop me to question his law of gravity? Or to try to find its cause, instead of just to use its effect?
Regarded the Maxwell and his electromagnetic theory, show me or indicate a single experiment that proved the existence of displacement current! A practical experiment, not a theoretical one! I'm really curious to read and understand it, it's premises, results and conclusions!
Ken claims what he understand and how he understand things, you don't have to agree with him 100%. No body forces you to do that! But, as long as you paid attention to his theory, it means you already have some doubts about the bricks of the current scientific paradigm.
Quote from: sadang on August 07, 2015, 08:00:49 AM
Regarded the Maxwell and his electromagnetic theory, show me or indicate a single experiment that proved the existence of displacement current! A practical experiment, not a theoretical one! I'm really curious to read and understand it, it's premises, results and conclusions!
Ken claims what he understand and how he understand things, you don't have to agree with him 100%. No body forces you to do that! But, as long as you paid attention to his theory, it means you already have some doubts about the bricks of the current scientific paradigm.
Hi Sadang.
One single experiment? OK this is one:http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.55.59
I suggest google, even wikipedia and reading Maxwell "On Physical Lines of Force".
What people are not understanding is the impact of Ken's claims. If a single part, specially the 2 magnetic vortices is true, then it will be one of the most important discovery of this century.
I take this very seriously accepting some of his claims a priori, but I will not give up the necesary subsequent logical analysis.
The question involved with the 2 magnetic fields and the dielectric plane is related to Prof. Dr. Konstantin Meyl work and his new formulation of Maxwell's wave equation.
All these is related with Ether structure, specially Dr. Anatoly Rykov hypothesis.
So you can see that I am not kidding.
I started reading this forum from beginning.
MileHigh exposed a technical problem and he was violently attacked. Nobody listen.
He was right.
I did the analysis and found that the television experiment was wrong.
My observation was posted in YouTube at Video3 and video8 of Ken's videos.
Ken have 9 other different experiments.
At least one more I suspect is invalid too.
But his discovery was not invalidated as I said in the post.
The main difficult is the lack of mathematical treatment. Ken's language is hermetic.
It's not a blue or red pill choice. It's not take it or leave it.
We are here to help.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 09:36:50 PM
Theoria,
I looked at your fist clip and the beginning of the second clip that you linked to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dilk8gcDxac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwn3CqvRumg
All that your two clips do is confirm that the current theory for how magnetic fields work is correct.
So sorry, but your two clips show the "opposite" of what you are stating in your proposition. Your clips with the magnet and the CRT TV confirm that there is no "magnetic vortex."
MileHigh
Hi MileHigh.
Yes this experiment is not valid and do not support the conclusions.
I did the analysis and posted in Ken's video 3.
The magnetic field is a mathematical vortex. It has flux density and is spinning in the way Maxwell postulates on his theory. This was fundamented in Faraday's experiments.
The correct way to know is to map tridemensionally the magnetic lines of force as Maxwell said.
Personal offences are not a good way to start a conversation.
Ken had a lot of work, so let's take some benefit and give him credit.
Hi Dynamic Vortex,
Sorry if you got the impression that I'm joking, but I stopped joking long time ago. Google even wikipedia you say? Take a look at the attachment!
Regarded the displacement current, that experiment is the second one, first being made in 1929 by Van Cauwenberghe. And both are wrong not only in their conclusions but in its set-up and mainly in is premises. Of course, my last claim means I don't agree with the entire electromagnetic theory, more than just as a theory to fit in a specific thinking paradigm, which allow human minds to shape a specific reality! A specific one from many other possible!
In my opinion the displacement current is only a virtual current, is an abstraction to fit in the math apparatus, its existence being crucial for validity of current known Maxwell equations, and in reality it being completely nonexistent. With its entire set of consequences! Read more here:
- http://overunity.com/14711/is-faradays-induction-law-correct/msg442756/
Now, I'm glad to see you don't just kidding. And my conclusion is you try to understand Ken's theory based on the bricks of the current thinking paradigm! Wrong premise! I did the same fault for many years, finally realizing that I was going in circles in a closed sphere, in a closed and circular thinking model. I've seen the same thinking pattern at many other who really try to understand more and deep. It is only another kind of dogma! A more elevated and sophisticated dogma, but still a dogma! This is the reason I ask people to learn by themselves and to start this endeavor with an open mind and from as deep as they can in history with the ancient cultures! And always by comparative research!
About Meyl and his scalar waves I studied a bit, but I've heard nothing about the ether of Anatoly Rykov. I'll do my work in the next days!
Quote from: sadang on August 09, 2015, 05:51:18 AM
Hi Dynamic Vortex,
Sorry if you got the impression that I'm joking, but I stopped joking long time ago. Google even wikipedia you say? Take a look at the attachment!
Regarded the displacement current, that experiment is the second one, first being made in 1929 by Van Cauwenberghe. And both are wrong not only in their conclusions but in its set-up and mainly in is premises. Of course, my last claim means I don't agree with the entire electromagnetic theory, more than just as a theory to fit in a specific thinking paradigm, which allow human minds to shape a specific reality! A specific one from many other possible!
In my opinion the displacement current is only a virtual current, is an abstraction to fit in the math apparatus, its existence being crucial for validity of current known Maxwell equations, and in reality it being completely nonexistent. With its entire set of consequences! Read more here:
- http://overunity.com/14711/is-faradays-induction-law-correct/msg442756/
Now, I'm glad to see you don't just kidding. And my conclusion is you try to understand Ken's theory based on the bricks of the current thinking paradigm! Wrong premise! I did the same fault for many years, finally realizing that I was going in circles in a closed sphere, in a closed and circular thinking model. I've seen the same thinking pattern at many other who really try to understand more and deep. It is only another kind of dogma! A more elevated and sophisticated dogma, but still a dogma! This is the reason I ask people to learn by themselves and to start this endeavor with an open mind and from as deep as they can in history with the ancient cultures! And always by comparative research!
About Meyl and his scalar waves I studied a bit, but I've heard nothing about the ether of Anatoly Rykov. I'll do my work in the next days!
Hi Sadang.
Of course the displacement current is an abstraction. How can be this possible? A current of what?
However in a vacuum capacitor there is a magnetic field, exactly as a current was present.
One can argue that is only the field. That dE/dt implies dB/dt. This is Feynman's idea, there's no need of a current.
100 years of QM and we are stuck at the same point: vacuum structure, i.e. Ether.
From Maxwell's sea of molecular vortices, passing by Dirac's sea, to Meyl's vortices and Rykov's virtual dipoles.
Vortices of what? Space curvature? Wave particle duality? Yves Coulder silicon droplets producing the same QM results at macroscopic scale? How can be this possible?
Ether is Ether is Ether is Ether!
At some point I asked myself if we reached the Homo Sapiens thinking limit.
So I remember: Reality do exist!
Things have limits. The wave function collapse and a photon is not an unicorn!
There is a limited number of eigenstates and we must restrain ours theories to logical principles.
Logic has to do with reality.
Philosophical principles can be misleading because they involve beliefs. Beliefs must be checked with reality, otherwise we will fall in fairy tales.
What is matter? It has to do with magnetism? Yes, but in what context?
Let's remember the Tesla x Hertz dispute. At the end Lord Kelvin was forced to say, both are right!
What is the point here? The lack of mathematical treatment of Tesla's work.
The quantum is expressing a particulate nature of electromagnetic energy. This implies in vacuum structure.
Logical but not accepted by current Physics mainstream.
Returning to Ken's work.
How can he advance without logic, without mathematics, without a physical theoretical base?
It's not wise to say: I don't "believe" in electrons!
Fatally he will fall in error. Like the television experiment.
Quote from: sadang on August 09, 2015, 05:51:18 AM
Hi Dynamic Vortex,
In my opinion the displacement current is only a virtual current, is an abstraction to fit in the math apparatus, its existence being crucial for validity of current known Maxwell equations, and in reality it being completely nonexistent. With its entire set of consequences! Read more here:
- http://overunity.com/14711/is-faradays-induction-law-correct/msg442756/
Regarding Maxwell´s displacement current, nowadays there is a lot of works pointing that the equations have a serious flaw. I point out specially the paper written by Danielle Funaro, that I consider the most rigorous mathematical proof.
"Charging Capacitors According to Maxwell´s Equations: Impossible" arXiv:1412.6005v1[physics.gen-ph] 2Nov 2014
When Maxwell wrote his theory, he did not make distinction between dielectric material or etheric. Hence, he didn't had to prove the displacement current specifically in vacuum. This was in consonance with the Ether concepts in his time.
I read an article explaining the technical difficulties to make this kind of experiment in 19 century.
So he did only a measure in a normal material dielectric and considered that the results were the same for the vacuum.
The dominant physical thinking at 19 century was that the electric current was made of material charged particles moving inside conductors.
This concept survived until today in textbooks for high school students. And it is useful because makes things easier to understand.
But today we know that it is not really true. There was not a massive flux of electrons traveling in the conductor.
Poynting vector shows that the energy is flowing from the surrounding medium (Ether, vacuum space, etc.) to the conductor (S=ExH).
If this is true then must remain valid even to continuous current (steady state).
Now we come to the problem.
Maxwell considered the displacement current only as a commence of a current, a transitory current.
In steady state there is no displacement current or charge flux in the surrounding space.
But, 50% of the energy is in the space fields, 50% is working on material and there is a continuous flux of energy going from the space to the material.
So what is expressing the mechanics of the energy flux in the space, fields?
In Maxwell equations the fields are directly connected to the material by the electric charges.
In material conductors Div E = charge density (electrons). Hence, the energy transport must being done by the material charges.
But in space Div E = 0, meaning that energy is self transporting! Nonsense!
No surprise that we come to the photons.
Here is my point: the Maxwell equations contains only 50% of causes and 100% of effects.
The fundamental equations in Maxwell theory are:
D=cE
and
B= uH
To the equations make sense is need that Div E = material charge density (electrons) + something (implying space structure).
Div E needs to be different of zero in vacuum.
So total electric current = dD/dt + c (material current) will be always valid.
To exist a perfect simmetry also Div B needs to be different of zero.
This means Div B = material magnetic charges (monopoles)+ something (implying space structure).
So total magnetic current = dB/dt + k, where k is a "real" magnetic current!
Fortunately magnetic monopoles were discovered in 2009 by Helmholtz Zentrum researchers in Berlin.
It is a start.
Professor Meyl points to another field symmetry necessity, a potential vector field!
The new and dual field Meyl´s aproach starts from 2 equations:
E = v X B to the electric
and
H = -v X D to the magnetic
Leading to the field equations:
rot E = -dB/dt - b
and
rot H = dD/dt + j
With divD and divB different of zero is possible to derivate a new wave equation, where the vortices have particle nature as a consequence of their structure forming property.
I got to thinking that nature doesn't give a toss for you,me or in fact anything.
It just does what it does because it has to.
That means there must be "uncertainty". If there wasn't everything would be
the same.
I don't see any reason for nature to restrict itself to magnetism, I say let it have
particles, massless ones too, gravitons,quantum and what ever else it feels it
needs.
Loads of people who post here want to try and "trick" nature in to doing
something it's not happy with but nobody seems to have "out-smarted" it yet.
When you start to think about what just happens every day you couldn't really
improve on it.
John.
Hi Dynamic Vortex,
Sorry for this delayed answer, I'm out of town for a while, mostly being offline.
I'm not a specialist of Maxwell equations, and I don't like math more than is required to just materialize my thoughts.
QuoteHowever in a vacuum capacitor there is a magnetic field, exactly as a current was present.
Nobody measured ever a magnetic field between plates of a capacitor. So this is not true! dE/dt imply fluctuation of E over time, not mandatory the immediate existence of dB/dt. This is just Feynman's idea, which comply in the current electromagnetic paradigm. And the current electromagnetic paradigm excluded the ether and asymmetrical systems. The current scientific paradigm is a closed world, in which all parameters equalize and the resultant is always zero! Only in a this kind of world can exists dogmatic limits and abstract rules!
QuoteAt some point I asked myself if we reached the Homo Sapiens thinking limit.
No we don't, because we are not Homo Sapiens at all! This is what others want we to be! The all limits are the only ones that we accept as limits! Who need limits, have and manifest his own limits. Who don't want limits is unstoppable. An example is Ken and his magnetic theory!
Reality don't exist independent of you! You are part of the reality and shape it second by second. And this is available for each conscious mind that manifest here. Just they are misleading to think for and according to others will, not to their own will. Like a zombie! That is very sad!
QuoteIt's not wise to say: I don't "believe" in electrons!
It's not about belief, it's about knowledge! The electron doesn't exists as it is now understood. It is not a particle nor a wave, and more than that it is not part of the atom, as well as neither the atom has not the well known structure! Everything is a misinterpretation of observable phenomena, based on a specific way of thinking. I could say a geocentric or egocentric way of thinking!
QuoteThe dominant physical thinking at 19 century was that the electric current was made of material charged particles moving inside conductors.
This concept survived until today in textbooks for high school students. And it is useful because makes things easier to understand.
No, it don't make things easier to understand, rather it shape a specific way of thinking. A convenient one, which took the thinking process far away from the truth of respective phenomena. I think Poynting vector is closer to the true core of phenomena but there is still away from their natural occurrence. As Tesla stated many years ago: "There is no energy in matter except that absorbed from the medium", we just need to understand that medium which is already manifest.
QuoteIn steady state there is no displacement current or charge flux in the surrounding space.
I'm not sure this is right! A Leiden jar carefully dissembled, don't present any charge on any of its component, only in its assembled form it can do a discharge. So, my conclusion is the entire charge is in the surrounding space, the cooper and glass dielectric creating the condition for that charge to manifest.
QuoteFortunately magnetic monopoles were discovered in 2009 by Helmholtz Zentrum researchers in Berlin.
It is a start.
According to my knowledge magnetic monopoles were discovered in 1941 by Felix Ehrenhaft, but of course they were rejected mainly with the "help" of Einstein, the same "help" being granted also to Reich and his orgone energy.
Finally, I see you are interested in adjusting or correcting the Maxwell equations. A great courage which I admire! Just my quest transcend his work, or of Ampere, Faraday, Gauss and others. I want to really understand, not to lye myself I understand.
SaDAng
I presume if you crank up your vacuum capacitor high enough a current
of electrons will flow. The electrons won't have any gas to ionise so you
won't see them and you won't hear them either.
I tend to get the feeling that old doctor Tesla gets overrated and that
some stuff attributed to him is rather fanciful.
Electrons are needed to give structure and we all need that to exist.
Is capacitor a newer word because when I was a kid I reckon the things
were called condensers.
This topic needs a good kick up the arse because it seems to be in
a vegetative state at the moment.
John.
Capacitor = condenser.
Voltage = tension.
AC current "through" a capacitor is an illusion. Barring leakage, charge only moves between the plates and the external circuit.
A charge distribution on a charged capacitor plate won't have
an associated magnetic field, reason, the electron spins will
be randomly oriented.
J.
Quote from: minnie on August 17, 2015, 04:30:51 PM
A charge distribution on a charged capacitor plate won't have
an associated magnetic field, reason, the electron spins will
be randomly oriented.
J.
Hi J.
The current will be present in the wires, so there is a magnetic field.
Some experiments showed that the energy is on the dielectric, material or not.
Quote from: idegen on August 18, 2015, 06:10:43 PM
Dynamic Vortex!
You do not understand anything.
Tesla overrated!
;)
This is not Tesla. This is conventional Electromagnetic Theory.
The Poynting vector shows the energy flux density, and demonstrate that the energy flows from the field to the wires.
Search at Wikipedia or any Electromagnetic Theory textbook.
ATOM1 where r u I'm now very very ready to collect that prize
Im working hard on the 4th edition of the book, ive been insanely busy of course, the ERROR i make is trying to include TOO MUCH in each edition.
;D
here are some notes in refutation of NEWTONS 3RD LAW
COPYRIGHT 2015 KEN WHEELER - uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism
Action and reaction are instantaneous, delays are due to transverse induction rates.
Any and all spatial conglomerates (ie mass) or field perturbations (magnetism, electricity) have transverse attributes which thereby necessitate temporal qualifications we deem as SPEED or "delayed reactions", but there exist no such thing as delayed reactions, this is electromagnetic retardation.
Missing sun paradox, it takes light 8 mins to reach the earth but if the sun were to vanish, the earth would instantly shoot away from where the Sun was.
Lex III: Actioni contrariam semper et æqualem esse reactionem: sive corporum duorum actiones in se mutuo semper esse æquales et in partes contrarias dirigi.
Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts.
Reactions are never effects but always instant and coeternal to actions which are always denotatively FORCES, ie the release of inertia. Reactions are only so deemed due to transverse induction rates and seen as posterior against magnitudinal measures of time and space which have themselves no reality other than merely relational qualifications of magnitudes and their respective mutual movements which are always force dissipations.
There are no Contrary parts, all interactions of masses, or atomics are the dissipation of force vectors and a curvilinear movement towards inertia.
There is no directed to, since all force is the polarization of the loss of inertia, which is "mother natures LINE", which is curvilinear force vectors against a point of inertia where that inertia was lost"
The magnitudes of both forces are equal, but they have opposite directions, as dictated by Newton's third law.
There are NOT "two forces" in the dissipation of inertia, rather one force which is polarized as against a zero-point of inertia where inertia was lost or dissipated. There are not two or opposite directions, rather two curivilinear force magnitudes which always terminate their loss of inertia by acceleration towards the original point of inertia.
There is no action-reaction law, all such unevolved observations are human contrivances of differentiating out inductive delays which have corresponding temporal apparent (but unreal) delayed reactions due to EM retardation observer effects.
The "conservation of momentum" is a misnomer and unreal and does not exist except in common observational interactions.
The loss of force (motion, momentum) can be immediately lost and grounded in counterspace, ie inertia.
Magnetic deceleration of a mass with incredible momentum is the observational proof that momentum can be dissipated in inertia by means of a strong coherent dielectric acceleration from a magnet. Momentum does not have to be conserved whatsoever from a body in motion, only dissipated. However as is the case, the transference of momentum from one body to the other is the typical observation, however the "conservation of momentum" is wholly unreal, and non-existent since its implication is that momentum MUST ALWAYS be transferred and this is wholly untrue. It needs only be grounded, dissipated in counterspace.
True energy is nothing, not in the human conception of absence, but rather No-THING/PHENOMENA, ie inertia. The human contrivance of energy is always based in transverse forces and interactions, not in true denotative energy which is always inertia, ie the Ether.
It is said: "Momentum, energy and angular momentum cannot be created or destroyed."
But this is wholly a lie. Momentum is a curvilinear force vector and can both be created by the dissipation of the loss of inertia and destroyed in counterspace where dielectric acceleration can easily destroy particle or bodily momentum. The correct analysis is that momentum and energy (in the motive sense) are NEITHER created nor ever destroyed, but are transverse field modalities of the loss of inertia, just as electricity and magnetism are in the circuit of light.
I have not as yet been able to discover the reason for these properties of gravity from phenomena, and I do not feign hypotheses. For whatever is not deduced from the phenomena must be called a hypothesis; and hypotheses, whether metaphysical or physical, or based on occult qualities, or mechanical, have no place in experimental philosophy. In this philosophy particular propositions are inferred from the phenomena, and afterwards rendered general by induction. –Newton
Hypotheses non fingo -Newton
"It is inconceivable that inanimate Matter should, without the mediation of something else, which is not material, operate upon, and affect other matter without mutual contact. Gravity should be innate, inherent and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance thru a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else, by and through which their action and course may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking can ever fall into (for) it. Gravity must be caused by an agent acting constantly according to certain laws; but whether this agent be material or immaterial, I have left to the consideration of my readers." - Sir Isaac Newton, Letters to Bentley, 1692
fallacy of attribute reification
Quote from: minnie on August 17, 2015, 04:30:51 PM
A charge distribution on a charged capacitor plate won't have
an associated magnetic field, reason, the electron spins will
be randomly oriented.
J.
Electron particles dont exist. Its nonsense. Tesla said this, so did countless others.
its a brain fart and a phantasm.
NOW youre going to have to figure out why theres no such (also) BS as a "negative charge"
Negative charge is as senseless BS as saying "dry water" ::) ::) ;D
You are literally surrounded by engineered electrical, electronic, electromechanical and mechanical devices that refute you. I suppose you think that electron spin resonance machines are fictitious, and that landing a robot lander on Titan was pure luck. Meanwhile, you cannot engineer anything using your "theory" that contradicts the conventional physics of matter and energy. Negative charge doesn't exist? I laugh at you, sitting there typing your obscenities on your computer keyboard.
Quote from: TinselKoala on October 13, 2015, 10:44:05 PM
You are literally surrounded by engineered electrical, electronic, electromechanical and mechanical devices that refute you. I suppose you think that electron spin resonance machines are fictitious, and that landing a robot lander on Titan was pure luck. Meanwhile, you cannot engineer anything using your "theory" that contradicts the conventional physics of matter and energy. Negative charge doesn't exist? I laugh at you, sitting there typing your obscenities on your computer keyboard.
There is not ONE SINGLE evidence by anyone anywhere of an electron particle, you brain dead mental midget ;D ;D ;D
You make me laugh little boy. ;D
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original. He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter, and does not believe in the existence of an "electron" as pictured by science.
"To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability..." - Nikola Tesla
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
"My ideas regarding the electron are at variance with those generally entertained. I hold that it is a relatively large entity carrying a surface charge and is not an elementary unit (particle). When the 'electron' leaves an electrode of high potential and in a high vacuum it carries an electrostatic charge many times greater than normal." – N. Tesla
"In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto remained obscure to us." - Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916
"To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions." – W. Russell
JJ Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit.
One corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of what today is known incorrectly as an "electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W. Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether." – E. Dollard
"There is no rest mass to an 'electron'. It is given here the 'electron' is no more than a broken loose "hold fast" under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. Obviously this reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein's Theory of Relativity." – E. Dollard
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the 'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" -
C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses)
The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings
Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction.
"Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'."
- Dr. Steve Biller
You cannot say that stretching a trillion rubber bands nailed to the floor and releasing them or breaking their "force lines" is the "flow of electrons"; discharge is a terminal movement in systems of inductance or dielectric capacitance. There are no discrete particles in the universe and certainly none that mediate charges, discharges, magnetism, electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation, only fields, all modalities of the Ether. The so-called 'electrons' are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "electrons", nor assuredly are there energy discharges in the vacuum of space involving 'electrons'; the 'electron' is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist. Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge; dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q; 'electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.
Anyone who thinks particles are flowing thru a wire has a mental DEFECT.
This Electron = Particle bullshit is nothing more than Greek ATOMISM. The universe is NOT a giant sea of tiny pool balls rolling and banging and spinning.
The presumed SEM:
"Because the SEM (scanning electron microscope) utilizes vacuum conditions and uses 'electrons' to form an image, specialpreparations must be applied to the sample. All water must be removed from the samples because the water would vaporize in the vacuum.
All metals are conductive and require no preparation before being used. All non-metals need to be made conductive by covering the sample with a thin layer of conductive material. This is done by using a device called a "sputter coater". The sputter coater uses an electric field and argon gas. The sample is placed in a small chamber that is at a vacuum.
Argon gas and an electric field cause an 'electron' to be removed from the argon, making the atoms positively charged. The argon ions then become attracted to a negatively charged gold foil. The argon ions knock gold atoms from the surface of the gold foil. These gold atoms fall and settle onto the surface of the sample producing a thin gold coating "
Only conductive (metal) samples are suitable for "electron" microscopy untreated, all other samples are metal treated to prevent them from burning up in the intense dielectric beam. The resulting image is therefore of the metal coating or stain and not the original sample! Never believe a relativist telling you he's "shooting his electron gun". A metal dielectric reflector of a once living organism is not the original sample nor are there electrons scanning it. This device in reality is a dielectric scanning reflector, which produces fine images as only reflected off metal surfaces. The very focusing beams of these microscope are constrictor "lenses" of dielectric flux lines.
Youre a fool son.
Quote from: TinselKoala on October 13, 2015, 10:44:05 PM
Negative charge doesn't exist?
Tesla said this, Russell said this, so did other.
Go find me DRY WATER, then ill show you a "negative charge" ;D ;D ;D
Youre a brain-dead CRETIN, pure and simple :o
"here are no discrete
particles in the universe and certainly none that
mediate charges, discharges, magnetism,
electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation, only fields,
all modalities of the Ether. The so-called 'electrons'
are not particles,"
So what is a field then..a disturbance? A disturbance of what... Put the answer to this in one word apophasis,one word not a tirade
Quote from: profitis on October 14, 2015, 05:22:51 AM
So what is a field then..a disturbance? A disturbance of what... Put the answer to this in one word apophasis,one word not a tirade
Your brain is lost in an ocean of ATOMISM / Materialism ....and unicorn particles.
Like the child who asked
"where is my soul"or the knuckle dragging ape-human who asked
"WHERE IN THE RADIO IS THE SIGNAL"??You, likewise ask -------"disturbance of WHAT (phenomena, existentia, particles etc etc )" ;D ;D ;D ;D
You sooner could sew a SUIT from WARM ICE CREAM than an ATOMIST idiot could grasp Non-Euclidean Inertia , or counterspace.
"Since action and reaction are coexistent, it follows that the supposed curvature of space (ala Einstein) is
entirely impossible" – Nikola Tesla.
"To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved is equivalent to stating
that something can act upon nothing" – Nikola Tesla.
Fields are NOT particles, are not phenomena, and ALL ARE FIELDS. This is where morons created the Unicorn bullshit of "warped space/time" ala the asshole Einstein.
One word? Sure,
Inertia
Etherboth one and the same thing
"One word? Sure, Inertia
Ether"
You give me a fucking word that has no meaning? Cmon apophasis,inertia requires force against resistance.what is resisting and what is forcing
Quote from: profitis on October 14, 2015, 05:57:37 AM
You give me a fucking word that has no meaning? Cmon apophasis,
Im not responsible for your ignorances.
Quote from: profitis on October 14, 2015, 05:57:37 AM
inertia requires force against resistance.what is resisting and what is forcing
poor child, youre confusing CURRENT CONNOTATION with the ORIGINAL DENOTATION of said word. ;D
Your ignorance is no issue with myself, ......rather the guy in your mirror.
Heres 3 books on Inertia, and one on the ORIGINS of the DENOTATION (the original meaning) of Inertia
how about you wise-the-hell-up, .............(or keep your head up your arse, as you so choose)
I refer to the original denotation of inertia as found in the
Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica
"Im not responsible for your ignorances."
You leave me with the word 'inertia' and then throw it on me?I must now figure it all out alone?(Sighhh,I must just remember you're not god)
"poor child, youre confusing CURRENT
CONNOTATION with the ORIGINAL DENOTATION of
said word. ;D
Your ignorance is no issue with myself, ......rather the
guy in your mirror."
Thats not fair man.I'm an einsteinian adherant with an open mind but you leave me here with more questions than I began with and felt safe and secure with. So you're saying that EXISTANCE is inertia-ing on itself or something else? ITSELF or SOMETHING ELSE which is it?
Quote from: profitis on October 14, 2015, 06:39:14 AM
Thats not fair man.I'm an einsteinian adherant
too bad.
I see you were brainwashed by crap.
"too bad. I see you were brainwashed by crap"
Yeah well I don't wana be brainwashed by crap anymore and you're not helping.you left this building on half an elvis-note: you said that all matter/energy is a wobbling vibes now I wana know where this see-saw's centre is and you won't tell me.it can only be located at one of two places: either ontop the matter/energy itself OR ontop of non-existance.which is it,which is it
Quote from: profitis on October 14, 2015, 02:26:14 PM
wana know where this see-saw's centre is and you won't tell me.it can only be located at one of two places: either ontop the matter/energy itself OR ontop of non-existance.which is it,which is it
your questions are so full of holes and you
dont even realize it ;D ;D ;D
"WHERE"
"CENTER"
"LOCATED AT"
"PLACE"
You keep trying to existentially and empirically REIFY something that is NON-EUCLIDEAN
Like most, you confuse "NOTHING" (in the literal sense of nihilistic oblivion, .......which cannot exist anyway, all things are relational X is empty of Y .....etc)..........
with NO-THING (not phenomenal)
why dont you ask how it is that at the dielectric inertial plane of a magnet, there is NO MAGNETIC GAUSSIAN reading possible (no magnetism)
or at the center of the earth one would measure ZERO GRAVITATION
why is it at the center of all X (field modalities) there is NO "X" FIELD TO BE FOUND OR MEASURED
This is what public school do, teach SHIT and prevent people from THINKING clearly
"Like most, you confuse "NOTHING" (in the literal
sense of nihilistic oblivion, .......which cannot exist
anyway, all things are relational X is empty of
Y .....etc)..........with NO-THING (not phenomenal)"
Woooooo you're sounding like a classic relativist here.I'm tired of relativism buddy I want the nothing here and I want the something there.I want them seperated.seperated.I'm going to seperate them and you can't stop me.
"why dont you ask how it is that at the dielectric
inertial plane of a magnet, there is NO MAGNETIC
GAUSSIAN reading possible (no magnetism)
or at the CENTRE of the earth one would measure
ZERO GRAVITATION
why is it at the CENTRE of all X (field modalities) there
is NO "X" FIELD TO BE FOUND OR MEASURED"
So help me here,all these PLACES/LOCATIONS/CENTRES are devoid of measurement because the forces cancel out right here right?where does the ether come into play here at these pivot-points.
Quote from: profitis on October 14, 2015, 03:14:42 PM
Woooooo you're sounding like a classic relativist here.
calling me a relativist is like calling the Pope a fucking Satanist
(wait, thats a bad analogy...) ;D
not a stinking relativist, i despise them.
That blank piece of paper before you draw a sqaure, a circle, a sphere, a triangle etc etc etc etc.........
even before you make a "point"
thats the inertia , DUMMY
unpreturbed , unmanifest, non-Euclidean Inertia/Ether.
our school system spits out Atomistic dummies ;D
"That blank piece of paper before you draw a sqaure,
a circle, a sphere, a triangle etc etc etc etc.........
even before you make a "point"
thats the inertia"
So Non-existence IS your pressure-point.jesus h christ apophasis are you saying that non-existence is a...a....a field? A field of force?pressing against existence?
Quote from: profitis on October 14, 2015, 05:38:03 PM
So Non-existence IS your pressure-point.
wise the hell up , OK?
nobody said "non-existence", that very word is both BS, and something I never make reference to.
Those asshole retarded prick brethren you worship......., the RELATIVIST/ QUANTUM KUNTS call it
"dark matter"and if you ask them
'what the fuck is dark matter???'they will say -------- "we have NO FUCKING IDEA, thats why we call it dark matter" ;D ;D ;D ;D
your brain dead mental state confuses Nihilistic NOTHING (with a capital N) with UNMANIFEST, UNPRETURBED
You remind of the idiot who said the calm waters were "emptiness" because there were no waves (THE MANIFEST, PHENOMENA) present
Absence of X, is not "ABSENCE" in an absolutist senseget that thru your damn skull (or dont)
Great stuff TheoriaApophasis, this forum needed a kick up the arse to
get some life back into it- and you're the one to do it.
John.
"Absence of X, is not "ABSENCE" in an absolutist sense"
No but what the fuck is absence of x,y,z and the whole fucking alphabet man.don't talk shit with me boy if I shove a box infront of you with a complete fucking vaccuum and zero matter and zero waves inside of it does this now exclude it from having the privilege to fuck the new homecoming queen?
Or has it still got that privilege tell me NOW..can nothing push against your pivots or not and if not why not don't be silly man
Quote from: profitis on October 14, 2015, 07:00:18 PM
complete fucking vaccuum
no such bullshit exists. :o :o :o
vacuum OF what BY what DUE TO what.....?
Tell me son, ........I hook a AC generator up to a waterfall and crank out a million volts at 1000 amps............where the FUCK do you think that power and electromotive force is coming from??????
its not from the water, the water is just spinning a turbine
its not coming FROM the AC generator..........the generator is not LOSING anything like when you squeeze a fucking orange and get juice out of it and therefore there is LESS OF THE ORANGE after its squeezed :o :o ;D ;D
so, there is NO quantitative change AT ALL from the AC generator
and there is NO quantitative change AT ALL from the waters flowing by
so where the fuck are the million volts and 1000 amps coming from? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
((((I KNOW WHAT YOUR GOING TO ANSWER FOR THAT QUESTION, ;D AND I ALREADY HAVE AN ANSWER TO YOUR UPCOMING STATEMENT, WHICH WILL BE WRONG ALSO ))))
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :o
"no such bullshit exists. :o :o :o
vacuum OF what BY what DUE TO what.....?"
I knew you would give me some relativist bullshit to escape this one I just knew it.How the fuck do you know??tell me something,what does most of the universe comprise of because I'm talking about that knogglehead.complete absence of matter and waves.go fly beyond the frontline of the expanding universe beyond the frontline of the photons and tell me what you see genius.questioning wether it exists or not is irrelevant anyway because I'm making it exist,right here,right now,or do you have some special criteria of existence that must be present at the homecoming queen.
"Absence of matter and waves son
Tell me son, ........I hook a AC generator up to a
waterfall and crank out a million volts at 1000
amps............where the FUCK do you think that power
and electromotive force is coming from??????
its not from the water, the water is just spinning a
turbine
its not coming FROM the AC generator..........the
generator is not LOSING anything like when you
squeeze a fucking orange and get juice out of it and
therefore there is LESS OF THE ORANGE after its
squeezed :o :o ;D ;D
so, there is NO quantitative change AT ALL from the
AC generator
and there is NO quantitative change AT ALL from the
waters flowing by
so where the fuck are the million volts and 1000
amps coming from? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Now you're talking about interaction of matter with matter here which I'm NOT talking about..you're the classic relativist aren't you,going off on a totaly different tangent here.I just wana know what the centre-point of a fucking wobbling photon in the far end of outerspace is pressing on that's all and I'm beginning to think that its pressing on itself and nothing else.I'm beginning to think that the word ether is more relativist bullshit
"((((I KNOW WHAT YOUR GOING TO ANSWER FOR
THAT QUESTION, ;D AND I ALREADY HAVE AN
ANSWER TO YOUR UPCOMING STATEMENT, WHICH
WILL BE WRONG ALSO ))))
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :o"
I don't think so.there's two forks in the road here either matter/energy's oscillatory inertia presses against itself or it presses against something not itself and I don't see the need for it to press on something not itself.
Quote from: profitis on October 15, 2015, 04:05:12 AM
I'm beginning to think that the word ether is more relativist bullshit
Relativity wh0rez dont believe in the Ether
however they do, because they know that cosmic mechanics are IMPOSSIBLE without the Ether, so they call it "quantum fluid"
So, the fucktards hate HATE HATE HATE the term Ether, but they cant explain shit without it, so they renamed it .............."quantum fluid" ;D
you lack a grasp of fundamental principles.
theres gold in a GOLD LION statue...
but theres no fucking LION in the GOLD
Or dont you get what that means? ;D ;D ;D
"however they do, because they know that cosmic
mechanics are IMPOSSIBLE without the Ether, so
they call it "quantum fluid"
This is to suit the math not to suit hard reality.in reality a substance flying through complete and utter nothing is exactly that.who's gona physicly prove me wrong?
"You lack a grasp of fundamental principles.
theres gold in a GOLD LION statue...
but theres no fucking LION in the GOLD"
If you want to cut through the relativism you have to uncurve things.we need things that don't cross lines.we need a scientific apartheid,the exist here and the nonexist there,and they must stay that way.
Quote from: profitis on October 15, 2015, 05:22:57 PM
and the nonexist there
no such thing as non-existence, stop trying to reify NOTHING as a principle.
you cannot reify absence, its like making a SHADOW a thing-in-itself........its not son, its a privation (of light).
unmanifest is not = 'nothing' ::) ::)
"unmanifest is not = 'nothing' ::) ::)"
Correct.but nothing is nothing.again I invite you to prove me wrong
"No such thing as non-existence, stop trying to reify
NOTHING as a principle."
It has to be a principal inasmuch as matter is a principal because its fucking there brother,we must drag it into the centre of the equation,we are forced to.how can you neglect something that's there?
"you cannot reify absence"
Some things are precisely what they seem
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on October 14, 2015, 10:15:09 PM
no such bullshit exists. :o :o :o
vacuum OF what BY what DUE TO what.....?
Tell me son, ........I hook a AC generator up to a waterfall and crank out a million volts at 1000 amps............where the FUCK do you think that power and electromotive force is coming from? ??? ??
To quote a famous person: "It's the sun stupid!" The sun provides all of the energy input to create a waterfall in the first place, that allows us the use of gravity in the second place. We learned this in 3rd grade. Perhaps you should take a 3rd grade science class? I do believe it would be helpful for you.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 16, 2015, 12:17:51 AM
that allows us the use of gravity in the second place. We learned this in 3rd grade
descriptions are NOT explanations son. ;D ;D
1. you cant define gravity son !
2. an instant change in location is an instant change in weight.
3. weight is location specific, is vector of quantified acceleration
4. IAAD (instant action at a distance) refutes relativity and the current premise of what "gravity" is.
5. 3rd grade NOR fucking college taught YOU or ANYONE ELSE jack fucking shit about what gravity is..............>>>>> much less what the fuck a FIELD is
so , cut the fucking bullshit and LIES :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Are you trying to match wits with me son? :o :o .......... Like midget trying to outrun a leopard. ;D
I have not as yet been able to discover the reason for these properties of gravity from phenomena, and I do not feign hypotheses. For whatever is not deduced from the phenomena must be called a hypothesis; and hypotheses, whether metaphysical or physical, or based on occult qualities, or mechanical, have no place in experimental philosophy. In this philosophy particular propositions are inferred from the phenomena, and afterwards rendered general by induction.
–Newton
Hypotheses non fingo -Newton"It is inconceivable that inanimate Matter should, without the mediation of something else, which is not material, operate upon, and affect other matter without mutual contact. Gravity should be innate, inherent and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance thru a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else, by and through which their action and course may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking can ever fall into (for) it. Gravity must be caused by an agent acting constantly according to certain laws; but whether this agent be material or immaterial, I have left to the consideration of my readers."
- Sir Isaac Newton, Letters to Bentley, 1692
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 16, 2015, 12:17:51 AM
The sun provides all of the energy input
Wise the hell up.
....and the grocery store provides your RIB-EYE steaks too.... ;D
however that doesnt tell you or anyone about
where the fuck a steak comes fromor what the hell a COW IS
or how COWS are breed for meat etc etc
etc etc on and on and on and on. ;D
using something and understanding something are 2 diff things. Any fucking moron can stick a plug into a power socket, that has nothing to do with understanding field modalities and transverse electrical phenomena etc.
"Gravity must be caused by
an agent acting constantly according to certain laws;
but whether this agent be material or immaterial, I
have left to the consideration of my readers." - Sir
Isaac Newton, Letters to Bentley, 1692"
The big gazoola: ''either nothing interacts with something or it has no requirement to do so.this agent be material or immaterial I have left to the consideration of my readers" profitis now
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"Tell me son, ........I hook a AC generator up to a
waterfall and crank out a million volts at 1000
amps............where the FUCK do you think that power
and electromotive force is coming from? ??? ??"
a field is a nothing acting on a something?.we move one magnet with another magnet without them touching so something acts on something via nothing am I correct? There is no need for any matter nor waves between two magnets in order for them to interact?
Quote from: profitis on October 16, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
There is no need for any matter nor waves between two magnets in order for them to interact?
matter, NO, of course there is no matter "in between"
waves of what? Its not a "what" since what= PHENOMENA/particles etc, ;D ;D
Everything is pressure mediation of inertia-torsion (ie the Ether).
Even the KUNTS OF QUANTUM know this, but the word ETHER is pure evil to them...........
........so they renamed it......"quantum fluid" Haaaa ;D ;D
"matter, NO, of course there is no matter "in between"
I'l be damned.so this means nothing is not really nothing after all.this means all of nothing is something.are you saying that all of existence is one big fucking perturbuation?disturbance of the nothing?
Quote from: profitis on October 16, 2015, 08:20:09 PM
"matter, NO, of course there is no matter "in between"
I'l be damned.so this means nothing is not really nothing after all.this means all of nothing is something.are you saying that all of existence is one big fucking perturbuation?disturbance of the nothing?
if you mean EXIO-STANCE is nothing but a field perturbation , like a holographic projection
yes, alas, thats the case
by the way, existence , or EXIO STANCE meant to "be outside of yourself" ie in a mirage / illusion.
Dont like that? tough cookies
"Dont like that? tough cookies"
No I like it I like it.the more grasp on reality I get the more power I get.so what about a ball uranium exploding then,it loses some mass due to it throwing a heck of a lot of photonic perturb fragments out there(visible light/infrared light/gamma light/neutrons) correct?
Quote from: profitis on October 16, 2015, 10:01:26 PM
"Dont like that? tough cookies"
No I like it I like it.the more grasp on reality I get the more power I get.so what about a ball uranium exploding then,it loses some mass due to it throwing a heck of a lot of photonic perturb fragments out there(visible light/infrared light/gamma light/neutrons) correct?
the entire ultimate mass still remains after the BOOM, .......the only thing lost is the systems (each atom) kinetic energy which is released.
countless exotic elements are left behind, but the ultimate WHOLE mass remains, no matter to energy is converted
its no diff. than taking a trillion trillion (etc etc etc) tightly wound pocket watches and instantly releasing their kinetic potential all at once.
all the parts remain afterwards (all over the damn place of course)
"no matter to energy is converted"
In other words,no mass is ULTIMATELY converted into movement only causing movement.energy definition can get tricky here,, an near-infrared ray causes(not converts into) movement(heat) when it collides with a piece of charcoal.the radiation(mass of perturbs) is causing(not converting into) movement. when the movement in the piece charcoal stops it sheds that infrared photon once again as a pair far infrared photons (downconversion) that pass on into space
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on October 16, 2015, 04:07:59 AM
Are you trying to match wits with me son? :o :o .......... Like midget trying to outrun a leopard. ;D
No, it would not be fair. I designed and machined parts that are on the planet Mars as we speak, and you designed a chair. Good for you for the chair.
I am not trying to take anything away from that. But, face it, it is not Mars right?
Bill
Pirate Bill,
you'll never get anywhere trying to impress Theoria. You see he's the type that
knows everything, you will not WIN.
Black holes- no chance. Gravitational lensing and you're a mental midget. Energy
mass equivalence is an irrelevance.Even mention drain cleaner and you're off your
trolley.
Sadang knows a thing or two, too!
I can get further having a debate with my dog.
John.
I see wikipedia agrees with apophasis here
"The fact that the released energy is not easily
weighed in many such cases, may cause its mass to
be neglected as though it no longer existed. This
circumstance has encouraged the false idea of
conversion of mass to energy, rather than the
correct idea that the binding energy of such systems
is relatively large, and exhibits a measurable mass,
which is removed when the binding energy is
removed. This energy is often released in the form
of light and heat, which is too quickly and widely
dispersed to be easily weighed, though it does carry
mass" (wikipedia: mass-energy equivalence)
Yes Bill,
you might think you'll get him with the photo electric effect-not a cat in hells!
If you mentioned quantum tunneling- he'd laugh his socks off!
Go on Bill, admit it, he's got you beat all ways.
John.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 16, 2015, 10:47:33 PM
I designed and machined parts that are on the planet Mars as we speak
If thats true, its in NO WAY impressive
well, about as impressive as designing the SHIT SUCKER (toilet) on the international space station.
I could see you now at a bar going "Yeah, i machined out a part nobody gives a shit about on a orbital lander thats sitting on a martian wasteland a few billion miles away"
Im sure some nerd MIGHT think thats "kinda cool" ;D ;D ;D ;D
"If thats true, its in NO WAY impressive"
So what is your claim to fame then mr apophasis.what exactly seperates you from the quantum people.
Quote from: profitis on October 17, 2015, 04:48:01 PM
.what exactly seperates you from the quantum people.
did you mean separates?
atomism
common sense
logic
.............
Quantum is a religion based upon atomism. It has no basis in reality.
"Quantum is a religion based upon atomism. It has no basis in reality."
So these guys love particles/waves/space/time and you love ether-displacement-action.what consequences can this have for physics.do certain important formulae need re-adjusting,do certain foundation models need to be re-modelled?
Quote from: profitis on October 17, 2015, 05:23:03 PM
"Quantum is a religion based upon atomism. It has no basis in reality."
So these guys love particles/waves/space/time and you love ether-displacement-action.what consequences can this have for physics.do certain important formulae need re-adjusting,do certain foundation models need to be re-modelled?
Go investigate the PIONEER (solar sys probe) ANOMALY
they "tried" to explain it away as heat impulse deceleration, but its actually new science that proves current math constants only work on smaller scales
Quantum has no clue that curvilinear geometric trajectories influence motion and acceleration
All are fields, and fields are NOT particles, ................and
NO BRANCH of "science" has ever (or could ever) DEFINE A FIELD
put that in your brain and process it.
Remember folks, you must respect TA because, he invented a chair. This is his claim to fame, as it were. He made some money from this design so, as I said, good for him. My question is, why would anyone believe anything he says about molecular science because he invented a chair? Einstein never invented a chair. Nor did Tesla to my knowledge. I even doubt that Edison did so either.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 17, 2015, 06:54:21 PM
Remember folks, you must respect TA
i dont want anyones respect, much less yours. ;D
wisdom is its own reward, son. Something youll never "get"
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 17, 2015, 06:54:21 PM
Remember folks, you must respect TA because, he invented a chair. This is his claim to fame, as it were. He made some money from this design so, as I said, good for him. My question is, why would anyone believe anything he says about molecular science because he invented a chair? Einstein never invented a chair. Nor did Tesla to my knowledge. I even doubt that Edison did so either.
Bill
QuoteNor did Tesla to my knowledge.
WTF! Tesla invented a FLYING chair. He called it the flying stove. Or maybe it was his friends that called it that. Well, could have been his enemies.
CANGAS 195
Water and Sun,son!
Mr apophasis,you would say that the concept of positive and negative charges are only useful for convention and are infact simply two interacting fields of distortion?push and pull are merely directional aspects of displacement in space?how does the push and pull work with regards to the quantum fluid,what differentiates their direction
i wanted to put a photo of our 600yr. old house but forgot
'til it was dark.
So for something else I came across Dan Hooper (Fermi).
He's a really good musician and his band sounds superb.
Anyways I found his research into DM. very interesting.
Have to try and think of something to keep this on the page.
It'll change when Ken gets his Nobel,there's a good few there
that'll need to be deleted though,
John.
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What's going on in that ferrocell mr apophasis
Ultimate proof that builders long ago knew their stuff!
We have to use a bit of technology in the bedroom,
a couple of bricks under one side of the bed to level
it up a bit.
John.
Quote from: profitis on October 20, 2015, 02:08:28 PM
What's going on in that ferrocell mr apophasis
microscopic Unicorns are pushing light around ;D
dont cha know
"microscopic Unicorns are pushing light around"
Any relation to the redshifting of photons around a black hole of collapsed matter?
profitis,
if you go to Ferrocell USA. and then to references you can read
that much about pink unicorns that they'll make your head spin.
John.
Mr. Wheeler. A question about a design related to your exhibitions here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNBi6qoW5SI
If this apparatus, or one similar to it, were to be suspended over a giant neodymium magnet, right above its centripetal point, would the vortex create perpetual motion?
Quote from: lvqw137.5 on October 20, 2015, 10:41:23 PM
Mr. Wheeler. A question about a design related to your exhibitions here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNBi6qoW5SI
If this apparatus, or one similar to it, were to be suspended over a giant neodymium magnet, right above its centripetal point, would the vortex create perpetual motion?
no, i have a GIGANTIC magnet i used for testing
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on October 21, 2015, 12:50:57 AM
no, i have a GIGANTIC magnet i used for testing
So it's due to the centerpiece in the proposed apparatus being a magnet, correct? What if it were to be replaced with a diamagnetic material such as pyrolytic graphite?
It all seems a bit Kellydenadel to me, anyways I'm goin' to keep on trying.
It seems to me that old Dr.Jefimenko was substituting the properties of
Gravity into the EM. equations. What an amazing idea!
John.
My grandfather's cows, autumn 1929.
Photo of the day. Garden flowers, just like me, a bit past it!
Somehow lovely all the same.
Second attempt.
Something just doesn't add up here man,,something,,something..
apophasis,,what the fuck man,,if ether distortion IS existence then what is doing the distorting in the first place..
Ether distorting ether? I'l be damned
Quote from: profitis on October 22, 2015, 04:16:35 PM
apophasis,,what the fuck man,,if ether distortion IS existence then what is doing the distorting in the first place..
you have to be able to think in 4D
Reason for phase retardation is gyromagnetic precession working as against the transverse magnetic reciprocation.
Why gauss is the same, but the phase rarefied on north, but compressed on the south
"you have to be able to think in 4D"
Makes no difference regardless how many dimensions.dimensions of what,dimensions of perception or dimensions of the perceived.toss a coin. the only thing that exists is the quantum fluid and its distortions,all of relativity falling within this border and on this border but not outside this border thus 1)quantum fluid must be the only existence because 2) the manifestation of quantum fluid existence is via distortion of quantum fluid thus 3) we conclude: only quntum fluid can distort quantum fluid correct? Auto-causation for existence correct?
Bearing the above in mind,this is where the particle/wave guys may assualt your theory as they can highlight the ludicrosity of the idea of auto-causation and split everything nicely back into matter-is-matter and fields are fields apartheid category which is the old standard ofcourse
"Reason for phase retardation is gyromagnetic precession working as against the transverse magnetic reciprocation."
I can cut to the chase here,what causes this??I'm looking for a causal because a causal is the missing link.
""Reason for phase retardation"
I can cut more to the chase here.phase? What causes the phase in the first place.phase has to exist a-priori retardation
""Reason for phase retardation is gyromagnetic precession working as against the transverse magnetic reciprocation."
Electro-magnetic.what caused what,the electro caused the magnetic to distort or the magnetic caused the electro to distort.the seperation comes here,quanta(a something,matter) vs field(effect)
""Reason for phase retardation is gyromagnetic precession working as against the transverse magnetic reciprocation."
This is like saying 'the reason for the field's distortion is field distortion'.
"""Reason for phase retardation is gyromagnetic precession working as against the transverse magnetic reciprocation."
Its no use saying everything is just field distortion without a causal.everything's just a field distortion of a field,meaningless
"""Reason for phase retardation is gyromagnetic precession working as against the transverse magnetic reciprocation.""
What is this a permanent something interacting with a different permanent something or is it a something interacting with itself.it can only be one of these two options
"""Reason for phase retardation is gyromagnetic precession working as against the transverse magnetic reciprocation.""
What do you want,do you want one thing relative to itself or relative to something else make up your mind
"""Reason for phase retardation is gyromagnetic precession working as against the transverse magnetic reciprocation.""
So is existence one thing or more than one thing make up your mind
Quote from: profitis on October 23, 2015, 08:08:01 AM
"""Reason for phase retardation is gyromagnetic precession working as against the transverse magnetic reciprocation.""
What do you want,do you want one thing relative to itself or relative to something else make up your mind
He has no clue. The man designed a commercially successful chair. You should probably be asking him questions about the thickness of foam on the seat or, the lean angle of the back support...that he knows about.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 23, 2015, 11:24:43 PM
He has no clue. The man designed a commercially successful chair. You should probably be asking him questions about the thickness of foam on the seat or, the lean angle of the back support...that he knows about.
Bill
there are those that talk,....... and those that do.
You , son, are the former, and a sad one at that. ;D
"He has no clue. The man designed a commercially successful chair. You should probably be asking him questions about the thickness of foam on the seat or, the lean angle of the back support...that he knows about."
Well this conundrum is going to seperate mr apophasis from his sworn enemies,the relativists, for all eternity it seems until he or someone else resolves it.this conundrum is also going to seperate me from both of them until its resolved.
"there are those that talk,....... and those that do."
And its a conundrum that must be adressed in order to tie all of reality to one denominator.cause my frend,cause and effect cannot be neglected or ignored where it is required the most
Relativists:'reality comprised of 3 things 1)matter 2)fields and 3)interactions thereof
Apophasonians and followers:reality comprised of one thing,,,interaction,period
Quote from: profitis on October 24, 2015, 07:58:52 AM
Relativists:'reality comprised of 3 things 1)matter 2)fields and 3)interactions thereof
Apophasonians and followers:reality comprised of one thing,,,interaction,period
Honestly, youre pretty damn dumb. Its hard to determine who is dumber, your ignorance, or the blind hubris of idiots like HighforMiles
Relativists (ie the CULT of EINSTEIN) dont believe in Fields fundamentally, they rationalize fields as space and particle interactions, which is impossible.
as such, relativists do not acknowledge fields at all, or instant action at a distance.
Atomists can never acknowledge a true field, which is particle free Inertia/Ether perturbation
How can a region of space have magnitude and direction?
"as such, relativists do not acknowledge fields at all,
or instant action at a distance.
Atomists can never acknowledge a true field, which is
particle free Inertia/Ether perturbation"
maybe its not your duty or capability to rationalize the absurdity of existence for its own sake but the elephant in the room of your theory still beckons---> auto-causation?? Ether perturbing itself??if we leave the elephant alone then ok your theory brings a sense of completion to existence,to reality,to the entire universe,but then we dare not go near that elephant,disturb it,touch it,speak to it
Quote from: profitis on October 24, 2015, 03:52:55 PM
auto-causation??
your limited 'brain' doesnt grasp that there is no original cause/sin etc.
Principle and attribute are one and the same thing.
Your pea-brained lack of wisdom asks "what is the cause of illumination?"
well, peckerwood, light and illumination are both but one thing, only differentiated between what it IS , and what it apparently "DOES" (illumination)
"How can a region of space have magnitude and
direction?"
Nothing is something apparently
"well, peckerwood, light and illumination are both but
one thing, only differentiated between what it IS , and
what it apparently "DOES" (illumination)"
Flamboyant words for perturbation of melanin on ones eye. 'perturber' or 'perturbee'..we're stuck with the same shit in your theory man
Mr Apophasis, I'd say that lighting an LED with just a magnet has GOT
to win the prize for you. Well done!
Hey TA I understand the difficulties when everything makes sense on paper, mind, and nature but then you have to spend energy trying to convince the masses. Trust me profitis nor minnie have a Harvard PHD nor have engineered anything.
As a matter of fact, go ahead and ask them what their achievements are and most likely nothing really. They somehow ASINGED themselves as "GATE KEEPERS" of knowledge and truth. In order for you to find this out, put them on the "spot light" like you have put your self there mr TA and watch them not even be qualified to work for google. Lol yet you have spent years upon years learning this stuff but HAVE A HARD TIME TRYING TO BE A TEACHER but I see that past these clowns of profitis and minnie. They are giving you a hard time brother.
I suggest you interrogate them and you will see way clearer how they are not worth explaining your ideas. For example, ask this simple question to minnie and profitis - "how many licks does it get to get to the center of a tootsie pop?" 8)
Enough is enough profitis and minnie...profitis go try to get out of the ghetto and minnie go shave your sheep.
"As a matter of fact, go ahead and ask them what their
achievements are and most likely nothing really."
You've got to achieve something to have a licence to debate?
" Lol yet you have spent
years upon years learning this stuff but HAVE A HARD
TIME TRYING TO BE A TEACHER but I see that past
these clowns of profitis and minnie. They are giving
you a hard time brother."
A new theoretical model for existence must welcome cross-examination and scrutiny from all sections
"I suggest you interrogate them and you will see way
clearer how they are not worth explaining your ideas"
You want to try explaining auto-perturbation to us? When you can't even explain it to yourself?
"For example, ask this simple question to minnie and
profitis - "how many licks does it get to get to the
center of a tootsie pop?" 8)"
One lick actually,the rest is easy-cheese 8)
"Enough is enough profitis and minnie...profitis go try
to get out of the ghetto and minnie go shave your
sheep."
Fuck you too
QuoteYou've got to achieve something to have a licence to debate?
How do you debate about who can drives better? Hehehehehehehehehe...you fail logic.
QuoteA new theoretical model for existence must welcome cross-examination and scrutiny from all sections
YEAAHH! From people with a science degree! Where's your qualifications ghetto boy?
QuoteYou want to try explaining auto-perturbation to us? When you can't even explain it to yourself?
First of all, who is "us"? You need to say "i" profitis a ghetto boy trying to make money and seeking FREEE energy to support my 4 wives and 5 children....which those wives became your wive that already had children from another guy?
Hehehehe lets hear it profitis FOR EVERYONE HERE TO HEAR...what is magnetism? GOOOOOO ahead and explain it since you already know more about magnetism than TA! GOOO profitis....hmmm...what is it? Explain the vortex, inveteracy, toroid, math, all of that! Hehehe, let me guesss NOTHING!?
QuoteOne lick actually,the rest is easy-cheese
AHAHAHAHAHAHA you see from profitis, it only takes one lick to get to the center of a tootsie pop. And then he thinks there is cheese inside lol= doofus!
QuoteFuck you too
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe tough guy with a weak brain. You cannot beat my brain thoughts VS your brain thought and you want to go fist to fist? You might want to borrow pirates JB weld gun so you can JB weld your broken bones back together. Lol = bunch of none-logical people! = clowns on this forum that should not be taken serious...kind of like ticks on skin. lol
Profitis, lets battle brain to brain and grammar to grammar in English? Come at me bro?
"How do you debate about who can drives better?
Hehehehehehehehehe...you fail logic."
Dude,how do you debate with yourself about driving first of all.this is all we wana know bro
"Where's
your qualifications ghetto boy?"
What? Who gave you the qualification to tell me how god works?
"First of all, who is "us"?
Every-fucking-body reading this thread that wants to know how a perturb perturbs itself.in other words,everybody,including you,yikes!
"Hehehehe lets hear it profitis FOR EVERYONE HERE
TO HEAR...what is magnetism? GOOOOOO ahead and
explain it since you already know more about
magnetism than TA! GOOO profitis....hmmm...what is
it? Explain the vortex, inveteracy, toroid, math, all of
that! Hehehe, let me guesss NOTHING!?"
No its something,definitely something,this is about all me and you can possibly know, for now.
"AHAHAHAHAHAHA you see from profitis, it only takes
one lick to get to the center of a tootsie pop. And then
he thinks there is cheese inside lol= doofus!"
Oh,you WANT to make things more complicated,why didn't you just say so? Dingbat
"Profitis, lets battle brain to brain and grammar to
grammar in English? Come at me bro?"
Yaaaaawwwwnnn I just want one good theoretical model for existence man I'm not in the mood for this now ok
One interesting thing about perturb theory,to perceive is not to perceive anymore,it is to perturb.let's perturb the naked chiks on the beach mm.pervurb
Einstein wouldn't have liked this.
A few days ago researchers at Delft conducted a "Closed loophole Bell test"
and had a positive result.
John.
Quote from: minnie on October 25, 2015, 09:24:31 AM
Einstein wouldn't have liked this.
Einstein was a FUCKING IDIOT ;D
"a fuzzy haired crank, Einstein by name"- TESLA
Light illuminates.perturb perturbates? So when the universe runs down to lowest energy perturb density minimates.gravity then takes over and perturb density begins to re-maximate.energy opposes gravity on the cosmic scale it seems.energy scrambles things,gravity organises things,binds things.perturb comprises energy opposing gravity? Critical mass of Plutonium contains slightly too much energy in opposition to its own binding forces ala gravity? A photon is virtualy pure energy(no mass) thus it opposes gravity to the max?
Perturb density,interesting concept
Ether must must must oppose something to get a full pixture here.it appears that perturb density is beside the point or irrelevant.universal expansion or contraction an effect as opposed to a cause...expansion a result of a perturbance,contraction a result of a perturbance.positive perturbance followed by negative perturbance..
"Abhay Ashtekar and his
team at Pennsylvania State University, back in 2006,
came up with a theory known as loop quantum
gravity. They suggested that instead of a singularity
existing just before the Big Bang, there was the
remains of a crunched down universe that had
existed prior to the one that exists now. The universe
didn't just Big Bang itself into existence from nothing,
they said, instead there is an infinite loop where a
universe shrinks down to a very tiny spot, then
explodes in a Big Bang, then shrinks down again,
over and over again forever—hence the use of the
term "loop" in the theory. Since that time, some in
the field have begun to refer to the theory as the Big
Bounce, to replace the name Big Bang."
It would appear that the field that we here at ou.com have christened the ether opposes one other field,what could the other field be..what could it be...what...could..it..be..
Let's call it a stress,energy,momentum tensor.
"Let's call it a stress,energy,momentum tensor."
but which of the two fields is the stressor,energizer,momentum tensor,,,
We need to give this other field a name
Eventually you get to nothingness and infinity which is quite a job
to get your head round.
I could imagine that everything we can see is quite small relative to
to something on a much grander scale, ie. fleas upon fleas.
"Eventually you get to nothingness and infinity which
is quite a job
to get your head round."
This is not a problem.atleast with two fundamentals acting on each other in space we have some sanity to the picture.some rationale. these two fields must be fluid-like and violently oppose each other...turbulance
Quote from: profitis on October 25, 2015, 03:28:23 PM
"Let's call it a stress,energy,momentum tensor."
i love the way you talk to yourself
you wouldnt be autistic would you? ;D
In the same way that oil and water splitup into hundreds pieces,coalesce,segregate,coalesce,segregate...and coalesce-segregate,coalesce-segregate (for the different elements of the universe,sodium,potassium etc)
Well done Theo, you're getting a bit of that old "fizz" back.
I was worried, from the look of you, you'd been spending
too much time testing that old reclining chair.
You've got to press on like Faraday did, he wrote a book
and even bound it himself, then he managed to elbow his
way into Davy's circle......and him only apprentice blacksmith!
John.
The problem here is that we are trying to apply our own observations to the beginnings of the universe. My firm belief is that the universe has always existed, and always will. Even if the big bang theory is credible, to me it only represents one part of a never ending cycle of expansion/collapse...expansion/collapse. The very fact that this cycle may have happened millions of times is what we humans can not comprehend. We always think there is a beginning and an end but, what if mother nature on a universal scale does not agree?
We humans may be no more than a rat running on a wheel trying to get to the end of it because there has to be an end.
To me, it is a closed loop circle with no beginning nor end and not linear as science keeps suggesting. This would explain a lot of things that our present knowledge fails to do. This is why they came up with string theory, they are trying to fit the theory into their observations instead of the other way around.
Bill
Right,,so we have for existence 1) TWO permanently opposing fields 2) degrees of coalesion-segregation for the elements/matter 3) action of elastic coalesion-seperation for energy/movement/light 4) an one-way arrow of time(simply meaning change) for a more stable segregation-coalesion phases which are never really attained (cycles of disequilibrium-equilibrium)..
We still need to give the other field a name,,
Yes Pirate, relativity. All we can see could possibly be a little
cog in a much bigger wheel.
Someone was trying to explain counterspace saying that a
big circle could appear flat as per the horizon. It doesn't work
because of relativity, to something on a much larger scale it
would appear as a small circle.
"counterspace"
Counter-ether,, I like I like
joel,
Jerry Decker says "No like? just skip it" you can do just that.
I don't take sides, I'm just looking for answers.
Calling Einstein (anyone really) an idiot is profound and
should be substantiated.
As for me knowing anything about physics I started 60 odd
years too late.
I'm really enjoying it now though.
There are some that belittle farmers, do a simple experiment.
stop eating for a few weeks.
"Jerry Decker"
The physicist?Woooooooo,ma hero ))blush((
I guess TA's guzzled a bit of grub in his time!
Let me continue with the alternative thought-train..let's see:
uranium 235
Large repulsion to cohesion ratio, too many anti-ether droplets were mixedup with ether droplets in this emulsion.disintergration resulting in expulsion of excess anti-ether drops resulting in photon perturbs galore shooting everywhere.new stable elements remaining behind tilt balance of ether drops in the new emulsions to majority status mmm
Magnet
Ether drops are aligned in orderly fashion against anti-ether drops in this one causing push of ether against anti-ether,,and pull of ether for ether,,to become highly apparent in this orderly emulsion mmm
Sadang.
"Sadang."
I don't see any clashes with the new two-field theory yet..looking for one..
"Sadang."
All of the electromagnetic spectrum fit nice with the new theory..long radiowaves a less of an intensity of unravelling springing counter- perturbance than the gammas.concentrated bind-forces within atomic structure and substructure due to attraction-repulsion extents of entangled perturbs gone all mixedup at the big bang (the big perturb)..
QuoteDude,how do you debate with yourself about driving first of all.this is all we wana know bro
Your simplistic brain did not catch that one needs to get a drivers license in order to teach others how to drive. This should have been obvious for an "INTELLIGENT" profitis that swims every day.
QuoteWhat? Who gave you the qualification to tell me how god works?
I am use to your one liners that don't make sense. :) I was not speaking regarding any diety at all. Nor UFOs or other phenomena that your ghetto brain cannot understand :P
QuoteEvery-fucking-body reading this thread that wants to know how a perturb perturbs itself.in other words,everybody,including you,yikes!
Coming from a guy that believes bismuth can turn to gold hehehehe the same with pirate that can JB weld anything even air...hehehe...or minnie that shaves sheep for a living in a farm? All three of you don't have deep understanding about magnetism nor probably A LOT of other things....and now you three are here trying to prove someone wrong? Hehehehe
QuoteNo its something,definitely something,this is about all me and you can possibly know, for now.
MEH! Sarcasm only gets you so far!!!! This sarcasm differentiates the thinkers from the "science" clown. Or from the garage scientists.
Profitis you have more of a ghetto mentality of survival. Which means, you have tough outer skin but that tough outer skin DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO SEE DEEPER. You live in a life of survival in your tribe.
Profitis, do you know how an Air Conditioning unit works?
Can you repair one?
Can you repair a car?
Can you Jb weld a fan on a dish washing machine?
Probably NOT! Lol and for you to be talking about magnetism with your sarcasm makes you look like a clown boy! Lol
QuoteOh,you WANT to make things more complicated,why didn't you just say so? Dingbat
You complicate things chicken dookie. I asked you to explain magnetism so I can get on your side and you don't explain anything? Why should I get on your side when you can't explain magnetism? Can you even repair anything?
QuoteI just want one good theoretical model for existence man I'm not in the mood for this now ok
NO matter if an alien came down to earth and taught you how to build a spaceship, you do not have the mental abilities to grasp such things nor the tools nor the strong arms to build such a thing. You would probably just shoot the alien in the head from fear with your gun and missed out on a great opportunity to travel back to the future or to Uranus. No matter the evidence you get that will work 20-30 (billions?) years from now, you won't accept it because you have put a MENTAL road block in your mind as if there is nothing else to learn...lol....you have just becomes sarcastic bro. Profitis, the sarcastic clown lol
Quote
joel,
Jerry Decker says "No like? just skip it" you can do just that.
I don't take sides, I'm just looking for answers.
Calling Einstein (anyone really) an idiot is profound and
should be substantiated.
As for me knowing anything about physics I started 60 odd
years too late.
I'm really enjoying it now though.
There are some that belittle farmers, do a simple experiment.
stop eating for a few weeks.
Yes I understand what you mean, which is that YOU ARE LAZY! You expect someone to just give you a freee device without doing any mental flexing on your own. And even if there is something that can make your life better, you won't know it because you can't understand it. Someone has to spoon feed it to you. This has been obvious for a while! I don't mean to insult anyone but lets be real. You want a device that will give you what? Freee energy for ever? If you use your little brain, you have to understand the circle of life. You have to shave sheep to put money on the table. Architects need to design buildings to put food on the table. Etc etc etc...in other words, you always have to work. And as a matter of fact, if you just sit in a chair, you become fat and get many type of illness like diabetes or cancer. If we look in to ALL LIFE is a give and take universe. And when we look deeeeper, this universe is a COP>+. It has too no matter who says this or that, it just has to regarding from every angle that you look at it. From the money, sexual reproduction...10 million sperm to fertilize an egg? Blah blah blah...this means that energy is all over the place and corruption is the only obstacle...as a matter of fact instead of SEARCHING A FREEE energy device, why don't you stand up to the corruption of the government since they are the ones that are making your mentality change that you need a FREEE energy device? YOU ARE NOT PUTTING THE PUZZLE together. Understanding magnetism is not going to make your sheep shaving sheep business any better BUTTTT it will further the evolution of knowledge in other areas wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy futuristic beyond your understanding of how to sharped hair clippers.
No offense, but with this regard, you can't possibly understand magnetism nor other great advancements in the knowledge of human minds. You are just waiting for that freeee device eh? lol 8)
What achievements did Einstain make an impact to your life in a positive way? And, do you understand what that dude said very very very very clearly?
"Your simplistic brain did not catch that one needs to
get a drivers license in order to teach others how to
drive."
In this thread I'm here to learn-teach not teach,not learn,how's that for your quantum entangled brain
christopher.
"I
was not speaking regarding any diety at all."
Well I was.the closer to understanding the verse you get,the closer to god you get
"and now you three
are here trying to prove someone wrong?"
No dufus I'm trying to prove mr apophasis theory correct,atleast for myself.this requires an additional field that's all
"MEH! Sarcasm only gets you so far!!!!
and for you to be talking about
magnetism with your sarcasm makes you look like a
clown boy! Lol"
If a nothing floating upon a nothing that appears to be something isn't sarcasm then what is. We need an extra field for some semblance of sanity here patricia
"I asked you to
explain magnetism so I can get on your side"
There are no sides here guevara we're trying to make sides to get a grip on reality man.yes you heard me,make sides
" Why should I get on your side"
Because then you have a side numbnuts.
" Can you even
repair anything?"
I can't repair your brain sorry el cortez
"because you
have put a MENTAL road block in your mind as if
there is...."
..another field,no shit shirlock
joel,
I can never seem to understand what you're trying to get at.
I don't understand magnetism nor do I want a free energy device.
In 1905 Einstein put together pieces of the puzzle and wrote a paper
on the photoelectric effect and Millikan later added more.
We now have a Tesla car and a PV. installation which can run it.
Well you might say you can't drive your car in the daylight. Quite right,
we use the PV. power in the workshop by day and charge the car by
night with half price grid power.
Ask TA about the photoelectric effect and even a simple thing like,
how does drain cleaner work?
As for people getting fat it's mostly to do with education and the food
industry. There's nothing nicer than growing your own bit of grub.
Just think of the fun if TA is proven correct. We can see Einstein,Millikan,
Thompson,Cockcroft and others deleted from the Nobel winners to be
replaced with Wheeler,Tesla,Jefimenco,Dollard and who ever else you
see fit.
Ask TA. about Gravity probes A&B. or Pioneer or gravitational lensing
and he'll say that all the data is "fudged". Maybe they did have to refine
the results but you also have to consider how the Hubble disaster was
sorted out.
Years ago I rushed out and bought stuff to build a Bedini generator
but I've never seen even a milliwatt out of it, the process had been a lot
of fun though!
I really enjoy the characters who use this forum, they're all so predictable.
There are a few here that really know their stuff and plenty of dreamers!
Have a nice day.
I shaved my sheep and had this lovely scarf
made with fleece from a Jacob's ewe.
Natural colouring too!
John.
"Ask TA about the photoelectric effect and even a
simple thing like,
how does drain cleaner work.
Ask TA. about Gravity probes A&B. or Pioneer or
gravitational lensing"
With the new theory these would all be reduced to field perturbation minnie.wouldn't this make a grasp on it easier?I suspect it would
"Ask TA about the photoelectric effect and even a
simple thing like,
how does drain cleaner work?
Ask TA. about Gravity probes A&B. or Pioneer or
gravitational lensing"
These are all effects minnie,not causes.these are all situated within the giant pertubs,the bigbangs.within them.within them.we must look at the entire pixture here to know what's goin on on the small pixture
""Ask TA about the photoelectric effect and even a
simple thing like,
how does drain cleaner work?
Ask TA. about Gravity probes A&B. or Pioneer or
gravitational lensing"
These can effectively be reduced to pure perturbation.its the perturbation itself that we need to interrogate,only the perturbation nothing else.the rest are just details
"""Ask TA about the photoelectric effect and even a
simple thing like,
how does drain cleaner work?
Ask TA. about Gravity probes A&B. or Pioneer or
gravitational lensing"
Details comprised of either elastic-unperturbation or counter-elastic perturbation. The universe falling into its own gravity would be counter-elastic perturbation,depending on your viewpoint(from ether's side or from counter-ether side,arbitrary)
Yes Profitis,I totally agree.
We must start from what we can observe as fact.
Start with a similar,simpler problem,understand that fully and then
use conjecture.
Relativity of things can be difficult to imagine. The way I see it is that
an ocean liner seems huge when you are on the quayside.But when it's
lost at the bottom of the Atlantic it's relatively tiny.
Time is just the same,when I bought my first farm nearly 50 years
ago an old man used to help me trapping moles. He said "when you're
my age your life seems to be over in next to no time". On reflection
I can see just what he meant.
If you think about nature it is marvellous, a certain amount of
uncertainty is vital for life to proceed as we know it. You'd be hard
pressed to alter physics to make it better.
"an ocean liner seems huge when you are on the
quayside.But when it's
lost at the bottom of the Atlantic it's relatively tiny.
Time is just the same"
Space not a problem and time not a problem.our only concern are the behaviour of the two 3-d opposing fields and the perturbations they produce.space is confused with the word field,time is confused with the word 'change'.
Change-in-the-field IS existence
Change-in-the-field is perturbance
Profitis, what about baryonic matter perturbations in decaying :P
decaying vacuum cosmology???
"Profitis, what about baryonic matter perturbations in
decaying :P
decaying vacuum cosmology???"
Ima check up on this quick
I'm perturbed today, trying to sort out trailer lighting.
I don't know about your country but over here anything
electric to do with light trailers is absolute pre-owned
dog's droppings.
"I don't know about your country but over here
anything
electric to do with light trailers is absolute pre-
owned
dog's droppings."
Hehe,I don't know I've got no experience with trailers but I'l tell you one thing,we very fussy about the conditions of what we buy here,must be perfect
Interesting minnie.those perturbations arising via rydberg states?
"Here Rydberg matter is proposed as a candidate for
the missing dark matter or dark baryonic matter in
the Universe. Spectroscopic and other experimental
studies give valuable information on the properties
of Rydberg matter, especially its very weak
interaction with light caused by the very small
overlap with low states, and because of the necessary
two-electron transitions even for disturbed matter.
Recently, the unidentified infrared (UIR) bands have
been shown to agree well with calculations and
experiments on Rydberg matter. This is the reason
for the present, somewhat speculative, proposal that
dark matter has, at least partially, the form of
Rydberg matter. "-oxfordjournals.org
I came across Dan Hooper in connection with dark matter.
He's got a band and if you look for Dan Hooper Congregation,
Record Collection you should be able to hear them.
I've uncovered a missing secret of magnetism with the
acquisition of a Tesla S. It's just amazing how much force
there must be to make those tiny motors accelerate a
relatively large vehicle like they do. The whole thing sounded
like a joke when I first heard about them but the concept does
seem to work-up to a point!
I've come to the conclusion that if electrons don't exist in
the form generally accepted,probably nothing exists.
"I've come to the conclusion that if electrons don't
exist in
the form generally accepted,probably nothing exists."
Even if it exists we are still stuck with the same problem of field perturbation.if it exists as a lil ball then a lil ball of what?can only be curled string of perturbance.wether its its a ball of perturbance or a wave of perturbance we're still stuck on this issue.
Lets learn today some more of profitis "knowledge" giving out for freee...lets see...
QuoteIn this thread I'm here to learn-teach not teach,not learn,how's that for your quantum entangled brain christopher.
That's like knowledge of a baby saying dada goo goo, you don't know if the kid needs a dieper change or is hungry or has a diaper burn. This does not even make sense....GIVE OUT A RECIPE FOR COOKING SCIENCE GUY! Example, how to cook the perfect fried chicken? I think you are feeling "SMART" because no one understand what you mean! And they just LABEL you as "SMART" because it is easier and polite than to label you are retarted Lol.
QuoteWell I was.the closer to understanding the verse you get,the closer to god you get
I'm religious myself but your "god" sounds a personal made up god of "profitis" is a god. GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN GOD?
QuoteNo dufus I'm trying to prove mr apophasis theory correct,atleast for myself.this requires an additional field that's all
Hmmm a ghetto scientist trying to prove magnetism. From everything I have read from you, you are just a bully. Meaning, every-time someone proposes something, there is profitis to go against it!!! That is NOT TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING!!! that just means you are living in your own little world bubble...hehehe what can you fix profitis? SERIOUSLY!!!!
QuoteIf a nothing floating upon a nothing that appears to be something isn't sarcasm then what is. We need an extra field for some semblance of sanity here patricia
Same shyt different day! If when you come up with a "new theory" (which I doubt) is this the type of writing you are going to give to get peered reviewed by the scientific community? Most of the clowns are on your side here because you have 3000 post but I scratch my head why when you make no sense at all...go AHEAD AND WRITE A ONE PAGE RESPONSE!!! Your statements/responses are lame and show how little you know :P VERY LAZY RESPONSES = short thinking span! Write longer responses profitis! Can you? If you where to write a book about your life, it would be a lazy 4 pages book lol...do you understand?
QuoteThere are no sides here guevara we're trying to make sides to get a grip on reality man.yes you heard me,make sides
You need to explain more because this is not enough context you give to try to make 10 cents of what you mean!!! do you speak English?
Quote
I can't repair your brain sorry el cortez
HEHEHEHEHEHE ok that was sarcasm, now explain what can you repair or understand!!!! LOOKING AT THINGS FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES!
-can you fix an air conditioning unit?
-can you repair a dishwasher?
-can you repair a car engine?
-can you repair a computer?
-can you repair a ceiling fan?
-can you repair a refrigerator?
-can you repair a quad-copter?
-can you repair a cell phone?
-can you repair an LCD LED TV?
Go ahead and show your abilities to repair things from different angles? LETS SEE PROFITIS ABILITIS! Because everything that comes out of your mouth has just been disappointing and honestly just repetitive sarcastic dumb stuff...lol
WATCH ME LOOK IN TO MY CRYSTAL BALL AND PREDICT WHAT WILL PROFITIS RESPOND! (not make sense) hehehehe
QuoteI really enjoy the characters who use this forum, they're all so predictable.
There are a few here that really know their stuff and plenty of dreamers!
Have a nice day.
Let me ask you this, do you believe in "the big bang theory"? Meaning that the whole universe came from this dot → .?
Now why do you find it "normal" or "comfortable" to believe in the "big bang theory" while you find it hard to believe in COP → +? an over unity device is COP>+...FROM WHER THE FUCK DID THIS DOT → . GET ENOUGH ENERGY TO MAKE THE UNIVERSE? Have you ever thought about that or is your brain not capable to fight the notion of "the big bang theory"?
Sorry, but your brain mentality is not at the level where others are! Let alone to be qualified to be a judge in a peered review paper.
If I was to raise sheep, yes you would win and I would ask for freee teaching in those abilities...but then if I was to learn how magnetism works, I would not be able to learn anything from that but more from TA? Or, profitis? lol
Profitis,
I think you've got it there,we must track down the pertubance.
Then we'll be able to move on.
"we must track down
the pertubance.
Then we'll be able to move on."
This is the only path to making sense of it all yes.neither the relativists nor their pre-decessors could crack this one but atleast the pre-decessors were pointing at this one.that pointed finger simply curled up and pointed at everything else,its all it could do.
pions,mesons,quarks,bosons,polaritons,neutrons,electrons,positrons,leptons,photons,bayrons,tachyons call it what you like,,,its all got one thing in common,ONE THING,,,, it is all a mere perturbance
Furthermore,,it is all mere pertubance whatever shape or form it comes
A frightening,horrifying thought...is space-time real.. OR is perturbance real
Is dimension real...or is perturbance real..pure horror
Mr apophasis has unwittingly (or maybe not unwittingly) bridged science DIRECT to consiousness with this line of reasoning
Space-time cannot exist without perturbance but perturbance can exist without space-time.it is pure terror
Here is one for you Ken, another fan..
"Magnetflipper" was my old YT chanel also...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd2IyoBl2ag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd2IyoBl2ag)
We haven't really got much further along than I
could get in this thing, at least the last video
showed us what doesn't work.
TA. insists that an electron is not a particle.
Definition, something small and localised that
has mass or volume. We know that an electron
has mass.
Rydberg rules!
"insists that an electron is not a particle.
Definition, something small and localised that
has mass or volume. We know that an electron
has mass."
Don't get your head in a spin too soon minnie.what is mass,utter perturbation.take a magnet,shove it on the desk and go into it for a tour slowly with the perturbmeter,,bonkybonk,first hit,outer projecting magnetic field,closer in,1st electron charge field,closer in,2nd electron charge field,closer in 3rd and 4th electron charge FIELDS,closer in,positive charge field now wow,closer in,neutral zone,further in, quark zone,and through this sequence backwards and out the north pole on the other side.all perturb
Electronic charge shells.shells around the nucleas.not balls around the nucleus
We don't even know if its shells around the nucleus we just know its zones around the other zones.zones upon zones upon a final zone
Gravity must consist of the same type of perturbance as any other field.all are one and the same field,fields of pertubance/disturbance.you cannot seperate consciousness from perturbance.you cannot rid yourself of perturbance. perturbance comprises existence.out of perturbance is born time-space
All we have to go on is one anti-ether perturbance,wether it be one direction or the other.the universal field will violently oppose any and all assualts of any rival field it seems.if there's a rival field,and there must be,it can only be one singular rival field,the anti-ether field
Essentially,a magnetic or electronic or graviton field does not exist until it is counter-fielded.the so-called ether field of the universe does not exist without its counter-field perturbance
"Same shyt different day! If when you come up with a "new theory" (which I doubt) is this the type of writing you are going to give to get peered reviewed by the scientific community? Most of the clowns are on your side here because you have 3000 post but I scratch my head why when you make no sense at all.."
I'm standing squashed inbetween mr apophasis and his rivals gladiola.I'm looking hard at both with as little bias as I possibly can.mr apophasis may or may not be wrong on one or two issues but he is definitely correct on the perturbance issue.wether an electron is a ball or wave of perturb is really irrelevant.he's found a way to bridge existence direct to consciousness without the noxious disturbance of space-time.this allows us almost unlimited scope for new theories.I'm injecting an anti-field field into the scenario for thought-experiment.an anti-field field will also withstand the hinderance of time-space in the same way that the field withstands this hinderance
Something related to this topic, not the stack of trash that had gathered here from various:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK7VN1pK6GU
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJi_2Viexng
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=335cF3P-8n8
I forgot to mention.the reason why perturbance is outside of space-time is as important as the reason why you cannot possibly remove perturbance from existence.the reason why perturbance is all that remains after removal of space-time is because space-time,now listen to me carefully here,space-time is a perception humanistic construct.wheras perturbance is not a humanistic construct.perturbance is the only thing that remains if you lose ability to rationalize(get battered on the head until your brains wires crisscross in spasms) or perceive in orderly fashion,ie.if space-time ceases to interfere with perception of science.
In other words..space-time is humanistic illusion.perturbance is no illusion.perturbance is consciousness itself.if perturbance were not consciousness itself,then there would be no consciousness.memory of an event is none other than present-tense perturbance,never can it be past tense perturbance.
Please note,I am not saying that the illusion of time-space and hence of human construct is irrelevent.indeed this illusion is necessary for human survival,human evolution,human common sense.it is only irrelevant to science in its naked truthful horror.the kind of horror that has a certain beauty to it.
Oh sadang, you just get sadder!
between a lump of lead and a perfectly fit person,which of these two is able to step outside of space-time construct better.which of these two consciousnesses has less interference by space-time construct.who has the better POV for reality.the lump of lead cannot rationalize nor memorize but he can sense,only sense.the lump of lead is free from construct.the person however,can rationalize,compute,but he cannot escape time-space construct.he cannot view perturbance in its raw state,unless he trains himself to do so.
Inspirational, Profitis, remember Mike Brady? He had a few
good ideas.
Ken has made another Videos on the "FERROCELL" !!! Wahoo !!!!
This is JUST FLIPPING AMAZING !!! >>>> OH WOOW I AM SO FLIPPING HAPPY I WANT JUMP UP AN DOWN LIKE A DOG...
Here is "MY edited photo" of the "Geek God"
Kudos you old dog !! as well as the bloody photo-graphy !!!
The Edison Video(s) is the best...
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Acca...
"Inspirational, Profitis, remember Mike Brady? He had a few
good ideas."
yeah yeah we're still stuck with perturbance minnie.we need a perturbee and perturber,two things buddy then we're cool
If a field is something and nothing is literally nothing,then maybe we can go on a more sane tangent because then we obliterate both ether theory and quantum fluid theory and we make matter-fields the only existence.matter-fields floating forever in vast emptiness of real space.this will make space real,perturbance real,plus time(change) real.in this model time-space will not be able to bend,they will be real but independant(meaning untouchable) of perturbance and its physics.
We make two interacting local fields and local perturbance comprise matter/waves in vast sea of true empty 4-directional(north,south,east,west) space.we seperate fields from space.the two fields will be forever fighting for dominance over each other in empty space.they will be stuck to each other,yet combat each other localy in empty space
We assume the human observer has no interference with the observed in this perturbance model.we assume the observer trustworthy
Hehehehe profitis is all over this stuff like a chicken with it's head cut off.
Define "perturbance" profitis?
And then explain it to mennie so he can give you a pat on the back. Hehehe. Cookie points he may give you a hand made sheep sweater for the winter. ;D
QuoteI'm standing squashed inbetween mr apophasis and his rivals gladiola.I'm looking hard at both with as little bias as I possibly can.mr apophasis may or may not be wrong on one or two issues but he is definitely correct on the perturbance issue.wether an electron is a ball or wave of perturb is really irrelevant.he's found a way to bridge existence direct to consciousness without the noxious disturbance of space-time.this allows us almost unlimited scope for new theories.I'm injecting an anti-field field into the scenario for thought-experiment.an anti-field field will also withstand the hinderance of time-space in the same way that the field withstands this hinderance.
I don't know what you are saying but a vortex is in all over the place besides just magnets!!!! hurricanes, toilet flushing, pooping, drinking water, VACUUM!, galaxy, gravity, evolution, knowledge, FREEE energy, EVERYTHING!
QuoteI forgot to mention.the reason why perturbance is outside of space-time is as important as the reason why you cannot possibly remove perturbance from existence.the reason why perturbance is all that remains after removal of space-time is because space-time,now listen to me carefully here,space-time is a perception humanistic construct.wheras perturbance is not a humanistic construct.perturbance is the only thing that remains if you lose ability to rationalize(get battered on the head until your brains wires crisscross in spasms) or perceive in orderly fashion,ie.if space-time ceases to interfere with perception of science.
Plain and simple your thoughts are a vortex. You are experiencing a "magnetic vortex" in your thought process right now! "am I right?" or "am I wrong?". How do you weight the "right" "answer"? Out of the thinking? If I think you mean by perturbance what you mean, then the "perturbance" is "legs". Negative/Positive. The negative and positive have a "perturbance" in between the two attract each other. Some times negative has more force and other times positive has more force but it is NEVER 50/50 because they would cancel out!!! The reason magnets attract each other is because they are both positive and negative BUT they are not 50/50 magnets - "perturbance"?
QuoteIn other words..space-time is humanistic illusion.perturbance is no illusion.perturbance is consciousness itself.if perturbance were not consciousness itself,then there would be no consciousness.memory of an event is none other than present-tense perturbance,never can it be past tense perturbance.
Perturbance is the VORTEX BRO!
QuotePlease note,I am not saying that the illusion of time-space and hence of human construct is irrelevent.indeed this illusion is necessary for human survival,human evolution,human common sense.it is only irrelevant to science in its naked truthful horror.the kind of horror that has a certain beauty to it.
It is not a horror nor nothing to be afraid of once you understand the vortex of living a peaceful FREEE energy life with out corruption nor bulllies laughing at your small dick!
Quotebetween a lump of lead and a perfectly fit person,which of these two is able to step outside of space-time construct better.which of these two consciousnesses has less interference by space-time construct.who has the better POV for reality.the lump of lead cannot rationalize nor memorize but he can sense,only sense.the lump of lead is free from construct.the person however,can rationalize,compute,but he cannot escape time-space construct.he cannot view perturbance in its raw state,unless he trains himself to do so.
Perturbance is FREEE AS LONG as it is for the greater benefit of everyone in the group. Everything has positive and negative. Even the thoughts that you are thinking right now are positive and negative atoms moving around. Then we think about the "DNA" perturbance? What is the purpose of the perturbance? And how much does it cost to buy with money? And why is it important in the human society?
LOL profitis is thinking with his brain I see. Lol or maybe he is drunk! lol
Profitis, explain the interaction of atoms in a magnet from the negative side to the positive and is there a "hole" in the middle that the atoms are FREEE to "move up or down"? (perturbance?)
Profitis, now feast your eyes on this...I just went outside of my house while it is raining and light is penetrating the darkness on ONLY some steps of the ladder. In the stairs I see ONLY light reflect on some steps of the ladder. While the other ladders' steps still get the same "perturbance", why can't I see the "red shift" nor the "blue shift" in the other ladders' steps? while the ladder still continues to be a ladder?
I am asking, how are you able to see "perturbance" in the ladder with "light shift" (ability to see things) and yet feel like you have understood the whole ladder from "light shift" alone? It does not even have to be light shift...on a ladder, pour anything on the steps, and you will not be able to seeeee what is on top of the steps from only one angle (light shift. light does not penetrate solids)?
You will see the ladder shadow with a few steps reflecting light from a few steps only...but what about the rest of the steps? "dark matter'?
I don't know about you but you need to look wayyy deeeper from just understanding "perturbance"... what comes next after understanding perturbance bro? Maybe you get to the mentality where only 10% of the minds are thinking? And 90% of the minds are following you. :P Then you get to the point that you understand corruption! You have a choice to make....make lots of money for you and your family OR fix the world? What will you choose to do?
"Profitis, explain the interaction of atoms in a magnet
from the negative side to the positive and is there a
"hole" in the middle that the atoms are FREEE to
"move up or down"? (perturbance?)"
We have to get the fundamentals of reality into perspective first before we can attack and dissect anything. We have absolutely got to get the distinction between fields and pure empty space sorted out first.I see we run into a few difficulties if we make pure nothingness and vaccuum of space into some giant etheric force-field
""Profitis, explain the interaction of atoms in a magnet
from the negative side to the positive and is there a
"hole" in the middle that the atoms are FREEE to
"move up or down"? (perturbance?)"
We have got to get our clues from behaviour of the smallest denominator of existence,the electromagnetic wave
"Profitis, explain the interaction of atoms in a magnet
from the negative side to the positive and is there a
"hole" in the middle that the atoms are FREEE to
"move up or down"? (perturbance?)"
We have got to get a grip on the definition of space and time first before we tackle the perturbance of field/matter. We are going to make gravity,magnetic,electrostatic field an extension of matter,matter comprising localised compressed field of perturbance and nothing else. We are going to define space as exactly what it appears to be,absolute nothing,no fields,no perturbance.
""Profitis, explain the interaction of atoms in a magnet
from the negative side to the positive and is there a
"hole" in the middle that the atoms are FREEE to
"move up or down"? (perturbance?)"
We are going to make a wave of perturbance be comprised of exactly the same thing as standing matter.we are going to make both of these be floating aimlessy in pure utter nothingness.both of these will only be allowed to interact with itself,and absolutely not interact with vaccuum of empty space(literally empty space devoid of fields)
We come to a problem with completely empty vaccuum space devoid of field.if space were devoid of field,why do the opposing forces within a string of perturbance not just push each other apart,fly apart to instant equilibrium.why are these opposing forces constantly joined at the helm.why is matter(perturbance) conserved.we are forced to go back to apophasonian ether theory for answers
"Define "perturbance" profitis?"
Action-reaction of at least two opposing fields in space
"Define "perturbance" profitis?"
Action-reaction of at least two opposing fields period
Quote from: profitis on October 31, 2015, 09:05:53 AM
"Define "perturbance" profitis?"
Action-reaction of at least two opposing fields period
Or, the interaction between at least two fields. They do not necessarily have to be opposing right? (Think converging ocean waves as opposed to diverging ocean waves)
Bill
"Or, the interaction between at least two fields. They do not necessarily have to be opposing right?"
They have to be opposing at all times,they cannot converge.a photon travelling unhindered in complete vaccuum for 15 billion years is permanently opposed to itself.it is indestructable.a photon may converge with another photon but this just makes a bigger perturbance.a photon may split up into two less active photons but the total perturbance remains same.a photon may redshift or blueshift under gravity but it just sheds or absorbs more perturbance.this oscillating opposition of tethered fields is conserved.it is conserved wether the photon is flying loose or stuck in one spot within matter's nucleus.these two permanently opposing electric and magnetic fields tethered for all eternity.it seems
Wether a magnet attracts or repels another magnet,they remain in direct opposition to this hypothetical surrounding ether field
When matter collapses into a black hole of negentropy it does not disappear,it just gets spat out somewhere else.all of it
Quote from: profitis on October 31, 2015, 05:05:50 PM
When matter collapses into a black hole of negentropy it does not disappear,it just gets spat out somewhere else.all of it
with my limited understanding of physics,
i wonder if anyone has been able to explain what is universe expanding further, into.
proving that would seem impossible.
"with my limited understanding of physics,
i wonder if anyone has been able to explain what is universe expanding further, into.
proving that would seem impossible."
We get a plethora of alternative theories in mainstream nowadays to the old singular 'bigbang' theory.there's even a theory that there was no singular bigbang but lots of bangs and unbangs going on on continuous basis in galaxies alone nevermind the entire universe.I would be more inclined to believe that multiple bangs and unbangs are going on all the time everywhere.showersof photons are being sucked into and spat out of a crisscrossed web of ongoing bangs and unbangs.this is the most probable scenario
Quotei wonder if anyone has been able to explain what is universe expanding further, into.
proving that would seem impossible.
Based on the "known", the universe will collapse sooner or later. Like a balloon being inflated under water...eventually the balloon can expand so far that it will eventually "deflate". This deflation will be at a very high speed that the deflation will cause another huge explosion when it implodes upon itself...maybe another "big bang" gets created after the implosion and that may be repeated a couple of times. An "implosion" only suggests that the universe is inside an ocean of space and is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bigger than our imagination can understand.
If there is an implosion, then we have multi-verses and we are living in one universe in "space" where space is huge beyond our capabilities of understanding it's size. IOW, a universe living inside a "space". Where space is like a pool and the universe is like a balloon being inflated inside a pool.
This is the reason that I understand that the universe expansion means more abundance of energy provided...and the reason why I believe in freee energy. The freee is the expansion of the universe. When the time comes for it to implode, then, instead of animals/cells multiplying, we would all be dying.
But even though if the universe was to implode someday, there would still be starts/galaxies that would not get "sucked" in by the implosion and break free. To do what? Drift off in to space where there is no freee energy...or there could be the answer to start a new "big bang".
Heck maybe the universe keeps on expanding to create a new "space" where there will be little universes being born from "big bangs' inside the old expanded universe. The important thing to understand is that 50MPG car is 100% while in the past, it was not. 4.5GHZ computer CPU is true for your average amateur computer enthusiast. This most people call it evolution but I see it as normal. It's a process that happens no matter what name you give it. You could call it poop and the word would not stop it from occurring. All of this means "growing" from freee food. Heck, I don't even know how much the people pay the damn's so they can keep on spinning their generators? How do you pay a river money?
The only difference between non-living and living matter is memory storage,memory arrangement and memory deletion.a lump of sodium does not experience time.a photon travelling in space does not experience time.they only experience one thing in their entire lifetimes and that one thing is perturbance/disturbance.their energies are either raised or lowered depending how near or far from a black hole they are.black holes come in different sizes,different magnitudes and different points in space.the black hole is where either one of two things happen: 1)matter/waves perturb upon themselves to varying degrees or 2) matter/waves perturb upon ONE external field to varying degrees
The question is,which is it? Number 1 or number 2
QuoteThe only difference between non-living and living matter is memory storage,memory arrangement and memory deletion.
If you want to talk about "memory" you are basically talking about the DNA of everything = permanent memory for all matter:
-space dust will always be space dust.
-"gravity" will always be bravity.
-magnetism will always be magnetism.
-water will always be water.
-rock will always be rock.
When it comes to matter with legs DNA: procreate and reproduce. Which I believe it may be in the same DNA for the "non-living" matter = rocks will continue to be made from dust!
Quotea lump of sodium does not experience time.a photon travelling in space does not experience time.they only experience one thing in their entire lifetimes and that one thing is perturbance/disturbance.their energies are either raised or lowered depending how near or far from a black hole they are.
Perturbance/disturbance sounds just like negative/positive....black/white...up/down...good/bad...pretty/ugly...etc... Can you emphasize further on Perturbance/disturbance?
How do you know that a "photon" does NOT experience time? Their guilt in DNA has to tell them to do a thing or two, and most importantly to be a PHOTON. Funny enough, I kind of see light as needing freee food too. Meaning, "photons" have a life expectancy. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, they are food for a FASTER PARTICLE! But they must know time in their own little world. Time not based on our 24hour clock but time based on if I go this way, I die, but if I go that way I live longer. Hence photons have to stick together to make light to "live" longer. Or from what memory do you think photons are made? It is easy to call it laws of nature...but from where do these laws of nature come from? This "memory storage" you speak off?
Keep on using your brain profitis, that is its purpose...but so far it is not impressive what your brain waves transfer to words on paper. :P
"If you want to talk about "memory" you are basically talking about the DNA of everything = permanent memory for all matter:
-space dust will always be space dust."
No it will be split up into quarks sooner or later
"-"gravity" will always be bravity."
But it will shift
"-magnetism will always be magnetism."
But it will shift
"-water will always be water."
No it will split up into quarks sooner or later
"-rock will always be rock."
No it will split up into quarks sooner or later
"How do you know that a "photon" does NOT experience time? "
Because it stays the same.in complete vaccuum away from other fields.in ordinary circumstances it experiences change.if it experiences change it can be said to experience time but it does not remember what it did 15 minutes ago no.we remember what we did 15 minutes ago because we can store a photo of what we did 15 mins ago.but we can only access that photo of 15 mins ago now not before now.trailblazers
Speaking of a photon flying in total vaccuum away from other field interference,this can be said to be a permanent perturbance,just like the whole universe is and always will be.if the universe began on one side of a black hole crunch and is going to endup on another side of another black hole crunch,can we really say that anything is changing in the entire universe? The horrific answer is unfortunately no.there is no net change.it copies the pattern of a singular photon flapping its wings in absolute nothingness.it copies it to a T-perfection
I'm still stuck with one riddle and its a gigantic riddle. Does a collapsing universe press inward upon itself,or does it press upon something else.this is a very important question.please note my attempt to cut certain curves out of relativity/abstract and bring the nihilism of the senses back into fashion.let us see if we can actually trust the observer to a further extent than he was always trusted
"
Perturbance/disturbance sounds just like negative/
positive...."
Or negative-negative,or positive-positive.it means "to alter"
I came across this, Abrikosov vortex in a superconductor.
It's amazing what's out there.
One for joel, my cousin did a 15 million dollar deal but
died just about the same time that the deal was finalised.
I knew he'd had a brush with cancer but he seemed to be
getting better but it had moved to his brain and that was
that.
"Abrikosov vortex in a
superconductor."
Very interesting.there may be clues about how a single photon works in there. In the abrikosov case electric FIELDS and magnetic FIELDS are opposing each other continuously with no chance of equilibria like in a photon except a photon is not tethered to one spot
""Abrikosov vortex in a
superconductor."
Its beginning to become apparent to me that so-called 'ether field of the universe' is an internal descriptive of matter which manifests when internal fields are brought into angles of opposition and kept there. So ether field would then be said to not really exist,but just be hypothetical descriptive for this state of internal field opposition.am I right? Could be wrong.I could be wrong because these internal fields of matter are forced into dis-opposition like a spring repulsion most of the time.that would make so-called external ether field very real,a force to be reckoned with.
""Abrikosov vortex in a
superconductor."
And if this external ether field is real it too can be said to oscillate just like the fields within a singlular photon oscillates.planets/stars far away from the black hole the positive end of oscillation cycle.planets/stars fall into the black hole the negative end of the oscillation cycle of the universe/galaxy?
""Abrikosov vortex in a
superconductor."
And if this giant oscillating external ether field exists..and the two opposing fields within matter exist.can we say that whole of existence comprises of not 2 but 3 fields? One external to matter,two internal to matter? The simplest form of matter,the photon,is two oscillating fields,two tethered fields.they come toward a black hole and they blueshift ,compress at right angles to each other.they exit a black hole on the other side and they snap back again into redshift,decompress.
"Perturbance/disturbance sounds just like negative/
positive"
Looks like we must include one more,a 3rd neutral one.fluctuating emulsion of positive/negative fields for inside matter,fluctuating anti-positive/negative pro-positive/positive pro- negative/negative field outside matter.the 3rd field swings to pro-positive/negative anti positive/positive anti negative/negative at any black hole.the 3rd field appears to arrange or disarrange the other 2 fields at a whim
For a photon,the inertial plane moves up and down the wave of electromagnetism.the inertial plane is where the 3rd field oscillates in sync with the electrical and magnetic fields.this will give complete 3-dimensions to stationary photons(ie.matter,photons tied up by gravity and vanderwaals) because of the lines where the 3 fields interact to produce a border will be perceptible(?)
Here's the Wise One's take on the mysterious 3rd field called ether:
"There are 500 million neutrinos to each photon and are found in a 1 centimetre cube of space time around each photon ! No point shouting up theories or rubbish about neutrons hahahah a neutrino is a constant equal to all the atomic mass in the universe so there is a lot of them around hahaha The interesting connection to the ether is only observed at the very first stage of the big bang this is where the either is formed as an ether bubble. This bubble is in fact nothing a moment of nothing can never be something again unless created. To measure the either bubble you must create one it is a bubble that when formed in water will never reach the surface and will collapse back to nothing .
It is thought that a neutrino is a bubble in space time by it has mass and is confirmed as a plank level quantum entangled particle it will have some super natural abilities like being in two or more points in space and time at the same time. A faster than light neutrino is also confirmed and affects time not space .
So lets be all on the correct path as re the either it is a bubble of nothing and is confirmed by the true nature that before something there had to be nothing so put the either there and leave it there ! An either as a gas of what ???? nothing than how can it be something ?? It could be said that nothing exists at the edge of the expanding universe and is where nothing belongs ! Go to the edge and fill up a jar with nothing and bring it back open it and everything in the universe will want to enter into to it. Its nothing will very quickly return back to the edge of the universe where nothing belongs hahaha
You can never have something before nothing and you can never have nothing without something hahahah its the cosmic joker a super natural balance ! Now view the electron as a single electron that all mass is sharing than see all particles in the same way and the so called big bang is only a tiny bang that shows up as a very large bang. IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING and is the only component of nothing so nothing = time x infinity = one tiny electron that produces waves that make photons and photons make neutrinos ! Just because super nova emit lots of neutrinos or the suns reactor makes them does not mean you need an atom to make them...
Regards 93rd atom 1 atommix king monkey"
I've been trying to keep this thing alive, takes some doi' though.
The thing I really want to know is "was Einsetin really an idiot?"
As far as I can see electrons are pretty much what most folk these
days think they are.
Somewhere TA. was comparing Tesla and Edison, well the tables
could be turning a bit with the adoption of Ultra High Voltage DC.
transmission. The technology is difficult but I can see the benefit
for making the most of renewables where distance and underwater
cables are used. Edison's company also developed a battery that
was able to withstand the rigours of the mining industry. Did Dr.Tesla
ever do anything "idiotic?"
I reckon a hydrogen atom is a pretty perturbed thing, I can remember
a wizard explosion in the chem lab when I was at school.
" I reckon a hydrogen atom is a pretty perturbed
thing, I can remember
a wizard explosion in the chem lab when I was at
school."
So let's recap.what have we learned from this thread sofar .. 1) matter appears to be two fields that stick and repell in various proportion. 2) non-matter appears to be a 3rd field that manipulates or is manipulated by the other two matter fields,
We're getting somewhere..
In the news is an article on Mars's loss of atmosphere.
That got me looking at solar wind which wouldn't exist
if there were no particles.
Ken tries to look at things with a cheapo infra-red
camera and the like, not the best sort of science.
What he ought to do is turn to the Earth and show
his ideas with relation to Earth's magnetic field, much
more chance than with tiny optical gadgets. Then we
might be able to understand a bit better?
"That got me looking at solar wind which wouldn't exist
if there were no particles."
You've got to let go of this idea of particles my child.look at the closest photo's of single atoms,just fields that's all .anti-fields,pro-fields.anti-what fields, I interject.pro-what fields,again I interject.
Ken tries to look at things as an entirety,the big picture.this is the best approach to the small picture.
"Not the best sort of science."
But its the only sort of science.what other science is there
Its time to start talking about why these 3 fields of existence move each other around.why they go through continuous cycles of compression and decompression on the universal scale and on the atomic and subatomic scales
Its time to start asking if these 3 fields are perhaps one and the same field folded up on itself.if this is the case,what does it mean 'to fold'.its time to ask the BIG QUESTION folks..the big question:'are the two fields,the anti and the pro fields of matter,are they conserved everywhere,everytime
Are you saying that I'm looking in altogether the wrong place?
What do you think of John Wheeler's ideas?
Magnetism seems to me to be just reciprocal,and most of it
we encounter is driven by something or other.
The electron is magnetism?
It's futile trying to image an actual magnetic field with light
(photons) and iron because we all know what happens then.
What I need is a good simple description of counterspace.
" Are you saying that I'm looking in altogether the wrong place?"
who's the expert on perception?try get a grip on the picture without interference of time-space son because time-space,,time-space= to mean something.let go of all meaning and what do you now see,what do you feel,sense(not compute)..ping! I just flicked a fly off your spectacles.perturbance/disturbance is all that remains after photographs/memory/logic vanish ie. all meaning are erased from existence.do photographs help us? They must because photographs must be part and parcel of the sequence of the system,NOT seperate from it.so we are going to do the following in order to tackle this riddle,,we are going to remove the idea of 'bending' time and space because time-space are the semantics of perturbance rather than having any effect on perturbance.how can they say that we can bend time/space with perturbance yet we cannot bend perturbance with time/space?its because perturbance is the only real in the greater picture. If I do something quickly does the clock go any quicker?nope.a photo of you and your girlfrend will not affect your relationship with you and your girlfrend(unless its not her in the pic ofcors)
"What do you think of John Wheeler's ideas?"
crazy,but his craziness is still less crazy than the next Barty Mcfly chasing the next invented or imagined pro or anti fieldball and wasting YOUR tax-money to do so.this is like a dog chasing not only its own tail but your tail too(!)
"Magnetism seems to me to be just reciprocal,and most of it
we encounter is driven by something or other."
This is my hypothesis,in matter,these two opposing fields are either mixedup to shit (eg.lump of iron) OR they are alligned/ anti-alligned (magnet,quark,positron whatever its all the same thing relative to the 3rd field really).the line between alligned and anti-alligned is where this 3rd invisible field(non-matter/nothingness) presses greatest upon these other two fields.
"The electron is magnetism?"
The electron field is countermagnetic field.again we encounter the classic pro/anti duality of all matter's fields.
" It's futile trying to image an actual magnetic field with light
(photons) and iron because we all know what happens then."
Perturbance yes.can't escape it.cannot escape it.can only try to get real with it,try.have to cross-examine ourselves most of the time for this
"What I need is a good simple description of counterspace."
Counter point-of-perturbance-within-two-fields can only be one more field,a 3rd field.nothingness vs somethingness are simply a borderline of fields in our case
Atommix:"Even the inflation of the universe is a result of all theses harmonic interactions and is caused by propagation of the fabric of space time when energy and atoms fall into a black hole and come out as more space time fabric"
Good to see you again boss.why does everybody entangle space and time with black holes when black holes happen within space and time? How can something physical be connected to a descriptive without the interference of the descriptive?
"and is caused by propagation of the fabric of space time when energy and atoms fall into a black hole and come out as more space time fabric !"
How many total fields are involved in this action boss? One,Two or three
Atommix93rdAtom1
You have caught my attention and I will be following for the 9 has a part in gravity wheel designs although may not be related, nor I will not pretend I fully understand either. I do work in 3D reality and actions show me more than most written equations. I am a blacksmith and a bit crude in my ways. But sometimes I see what others can't dealing with the natural ways of life.
Alan
Hehehe profitis using his brain now OK. Lets do this before I slap you :P
Quote"If you want to talk about "memory" you are basically talking about the DNA of everything = permanent memory for all matter:
-space dust will always be space dust."
No it will be split up into quarks sooner or later
You do realize that water is and has been water? :P
Quote"-"gravity" will always be bravity."
But it will shift
You do realize that gravity is a human understanding that will always be water? :P
Quote"-magnetism will always be magnetism."
But it will shift
OK OK OK OK it will shift! I get it. EVERYZTHING SHIFTS! SO who made the laws of shifting? ALL HUMAND WORLD IS SHIFTING BUT YET WE ARE HUMANS? That will shift? This "shift" you speak up does not makes sense hehehe :P
Quote"-water will always be water."
No it will split up into quarks sooner or later
WATER EXISTS no matter the shifting. What the hell is wrong with you bro? :) Profitis is a human being drinking water, pooping, farting, liking big butt ladies, liking the female breast? But you will shift? hehehe
Quote"-rock will always be rock."
No it will split up into quarks sooner or later
hehehe for billions (trillions?) of years there have been rock and will always be rock. Lol does not mater in the shift, there has always been rock period...lol
THINK HARDER BRO! Hehehe.
Quote"How do you know that a "photon" does NOT experience time? "
Because it stays the same.in complete vaccuum away from other fields.in ordinary circumstances it experiences change.if it experiences change it can be said to experience time but it does not remember what it did 15 minutes ago no.we remember what we did 15 minutes ago because we can store a photo of what we did 15 mins ago.but we can only access that photo of 15 mins ago now not before now.trailblazers
So you are telling me that the same photon 30 light years away "we see" is the same photon today? WAIT A MINUTE...one..teo..three seconds have passed...now the same "photon" is the same as three seconds ago? :P WOULD NOT THE PHOTON HAVE A TIME DELAY? SINCE ALL PHOTONS ARE BEING REPLACED ONE AFTER ANOTHER?
Listen profitis...a "PHOTON" must experience time if there is a photon in outer space 40 light years away that has not reached us yet. You have to ask yourself this question too? Why does a photon want to keep on being a photon? Does a photon has pleasure? Does a photon fucks female photons? Does a photon have babies? Why would a photon want to keep on being a photon? From where does a photon come from and from where did that 'stuff' that created the photon come from and from where that stuff come from and FOR WHAT? So profitis can be here in the year 2015 in a forum arguing that FREEE energy is not freee? That all ENERGY must come from earning/paying with dollar bills? :P
A photon is smarter than you profitis...a photon has a brain that calculates at the speed of light. Hehehe I think you are STUCK in the thinking that only "humans" can experience time = meaning get old and die. NO! Photons die too. So if they die, they must experience their own quantum time!! it is just a matter that your speed of human brain cannot comprehend how can a photon even know what stuff to do? If a photon was stupid, it would not be a photon at all since it is constant. It has order and purpose!
Let me guess...you think that only profitis has a brain DNA to experience time? And there is no other matter out there that can experience time 'cause profitis has 100% shown proof of it 100%...lets all shut up people and close all scientific experiments hehehehe 'cause here profitis has spoken the 100% once and for all facts! Lol
What will I win in 50 years from now when a photon can become controlled and learned that it experiences time? IT IS NOT LIKE GOING !% MILES PER HOUR NO LIGHT CAN BE USED? Wrap your head on that one smart one? :P How fast are the photons in your computer screen going?
Once and FOR ALL. LETS ASSUME THAT PROFITIS HAS FOUND THE ULTIMATE TRUTH! What will others benefit from it? Hehehe NOTHING! Ohhh profitits believes in photons OK! Ohhh in my room there are billions of photons bouncing around...ok...photons never die nor they experience time...hehehehe...all of the billions of photons that are bouncing in my room will escape to hit 50 light year planet with aliens capturing photons shifts with their telescopes? PLEASE! Photons die! Photons experience TIME! Photons have DNA! IN FACT<...PHOTONS ARE BORN!!! How can the same 50 light years photons be the same 50 light years later....HECK WHERE DO THE PHOTONS GO? For ever and ever and ever and ever and ever profitis? ::)
"! So the end part of your
question is there is 12 fields and each one is in its
own dimension ...Try the 9 hahahahah"
The borders of reality fold 12 times over?surely we can unfold them into 2-d and explain all existence and why in 2-d ?how many of those borders are space,and how many are time?eradicate those two borders mr atommix because they're not needed right?we only need to know how many actionary fields exist yes?we only need to know why these actionary fields move yes?then the other dimensions/borders become just details yes?does space act,no.does time act,no. one thing acts,the fields,the fields within space(space is field),within time(time stands still for the photographer) yes? are space and time absolutely necessary in order to understand these fields or are space and time these fields mr atommix
" and yes its 3 fields
atom fabric black hole "
Surely this is all we need mr atommix? Why do they move? Emulsion of fields(blackhole)>seperation of fields(going smooth)>emulsion of fields(blackhole again).what propels this endless cycle? Is the thing trying to achieve something?
Wow thanks let me get this absorbed and get back 2 u atom
Wow
"How would you fill if you find that the universe
or just our galaxy is in fact a brain. ? And its very
busy at doing what a brain does so we are what ????
Made in its image ???? A tool for a purpose ???? "
The thing wants to look at itself it seems.as best it can
Wow
kellydenadel reckons when you get into outer space
stars and Suns and things aren't even visible.
It just makes me wonder what the hell are most
particle physicists,astronomers and quantum
mechanics doing? Why don't they just ask kelly?
He _knows_all_the _answers!
Yes Atom, I do see the 9 there.
You've got inspirational ideas!
"Make a logarithm between 9 and 9000 ... Than I
will show you what to do with it as to isolate the
fabric of space time"
Having been saturated with electrochemistry most of last twenty years I've always had an instinctive feel about a greater reality for logrythms.the logrythm for 9 according to google is 0.954242509.what tricks you do with this atommix
QuoteA photon has no energy of its own its energy is constantly supplied by the fabric of space time because space time is in fact a state of a constant harmonic that is produced and conserved by the unity of the universe ! Energy can not be destroyed but only be converted so there is no loss of energy in the universe. A neutrino hits a proton and 1000 photons are made and released but the speed of the neutrino will not change but its vector does and that than proves my point. As the photon travels out its picking up energy and waves from the fabric of space time and that is what keeps it going ! Like a surface board on a wave ! SIMPLE ! And keep it simple please !
Hey element93rd, I kind of get what you are saying which is FREEE energy = "Energy can not be destroyed".
Photons can be described as a simple battery operated flashlight. The same light is the same light in outer space. We can "produce" "photons" with batteries and the light stops flashing when the batteries die...unless you mean that the photons from a flashlight are different type of photon than those coming out from, for example, the sun rays?
What I was/am trying to understand is "do photons experience time"? Or in another way, "do sound waves experience time"?...or should I say "sub-waves" = waves frequencies – do they experience time? Like you travel to any place it takes time. If you where to walk ten steps, you are experiencing time and know your walking speed. Now a photon does not know it's own speed? A sound wave does not know it's own speed? The source of the photon creator does not know the time it takes to create photons?
On a side note, I see a lot of pyramids, squares, and numbers (language). The most powerful magnet is a pyramid. All sound frequencies are round top pyramids. The planetary orbits are not perfect circles, they are more like round pyramids. The number 9 is an 8 with ¼ of it's side missing....one round top pyramid with a leg?
BTW, speaking of "fabric of space time" what created it? Is the string theory correct? The string theory just frequencies? Everything that is, is a frequency even the number 9?
"And we presume nothing means no energy
no mass but we cant avoid adding time ! So we can
no longer confirm that noting exists as there will
always be time."
I'l be damned.so wether we look at a photograph of nothing or look directly at nothing,time still passes.but then how do we stop time? take a photograph of time,aha,a photo of change wow
QuoteLook again at the square box around the earth and see the top of the triangle is in the centre of the moon ! Its a perfect order of geomertry not something made by chaos and that proves that the moon was not made by a collision ! This perfected arrangement holds the secret to all your questions ! We don't experience time unless we measure it so time does not exist for a body that is not measuring it ! But that requires thought and thought requires intelligence ! So if the galaxy is building it self by a geometric formula than it must include time and there for the galaxy is in fact a brain ! We have 100 billion neurons and the galaxy has 100 billion suns ! Email me and I can give you the data you will need to fully understand the secrets of the 9 , I posted my email so keep a record of it !
I think I kind of understand but the square must bend since bending communicates with a 360 degree universe. If you take a 360 3D ball and draw 2D squares around it, the corner squares would show the corners of the squares making a constant (mathematical) turn.
If you proclaim to know to the quantum level, tell me how to get a super model as a girlfriend/wife in today's corrupt society?:P
QuoteThe earth has a sound frequency recorded by NASA at 360 hz 3+6 = 9 its this relationship of numerological maths that is missing in most cosmological physics but its the way the universe orders its self from a point of chaos and to do that it requires thought ! So the next time you view a galaxy think of a brain a personality an intelligence ! Check out Saturn and its strangeness from its ufos to its hidden inferred and its geometry ! A tree is a living being and so is our planet.
Hey, i'm not freaked out thinking that the universe is a big brain...if it is, now I'm thinking that maybe the earth is a brain tumor for the universe brain. Because from all of the gathered evidence compiled in a room, it looks like the tumor is getting about to get operated on = cut off and allow humanity to re-born again to maybe find a better way to evolve better.
I also personally believe in neuron "plumbing" meaning, if you think negative, you close the positive energy valves coming from the galaxy. If you think positive, you open the valves for greater knowledge and understanding of the universe...things just start to make sense in the mind as if someone is helping your brain figure out things.
QuoteThe fabric of space time is time ! The older it is the bigger it is and that simple fact confirms it ! Let go of the idea that structure and energy has to be some kind of physical object are your thoughts a physical object ? The universe is also a supernatural entity so it will have super natural relationships with time and space ! I line of force in propagation is called the entanglement between two particles ! But this line has no energy no mass but because there is time between the two points than time is what entanglement is caused by ... What made the universe before any mass or energy ? 0 time ! nothing ! And we presume nothing means no energy no mass but we cant avoid adding time ! So we can no longer confirm that noting exists as there will always be time.
But is not time the birth of speed? IOW, time had to come after speed since TIME CANNOT TIME ITSELF? We can time sound, light, a drive around the block BUT we cannot time time itself? How do you time a second? How do you time time?
QuoteBut the fabric has the structure of harmonics and geomertry but its built from time ! Your computer is built from time codes data streams so without time there would be no computer ! There is time between neurons time between everything...
That is what I was trying to say...ALL PHOTONS have space time in between them. e.g. photon + time + photon + time + photon + time + photon = speed of light. But the speed of light is not always constant. Meaning, since time is not constant, the speed of light cannot be constant nor the time between the photons. I'm talking about quantum time that does not matter in a human everyday life time. But I can kind of see that there has to be quantum time in between two photons AND they MUST understand how NOT to get absorbed by dark places. Because if they do, the photon would die (become energy for another sum atomic particle).
QuoteWe mostly focus on what we see fill and touch but in between all of that is time yet our minds are detached from a reality that we need to explore and to do that you have to let go and communicate with the time ! Try some simple miracles and talk to this galaxy let it know that you now know its alive and intelligent ! As soon as you do that it will respond in strange but beautiful ways to let you know it has excepted your friendship ! But don't awake the dark side its full of danger and demons ! So is a miracle an energy ? Is a ghost a being ? Is there time and space in this ? Photons are carried by the waves of the 9 and the 9 is time and time is space and space is energy and energy is life !
I kind of get what you are saying. The galaxy is alive and thinks for itself. The universe probably thinks by itself too using the galaxies as communication memory storage...I get that and it does not sound too farfetched to me BUT what are the answers to this world? One thinks that the answer to the earth is to go to another planet but what about the answer to stay in this planet and make it stay for another trillions of years? The simplistic answer is to understand how does the sum eat? How does the earth keep being earth? Then either keep on feeding it or find another earth like planet and just move there. Terra forming another planet in to an earth is just committing suicide and neglecting that...lol...nerds! How on earth are they thinking that when they have NOT SOLVED THE ANSWER TO SAVE THIS PLANET? It is a requirement to understand that in order to make or destroy worlds!!
"The base of a large mountain has slower time than the top !"
Degrees of black-holyness hahaha yes if we look at the whole picture of the universe the points where the big toilets of time are, are at the massive holes,the really big ones.between these monster sinkholes are the scatterlings of smaller ones,the smaller ones also to varying degrees (small gravities big gravities small moons big planets etc).degrees of dimension-folding, what a concept!
"But I think we should leave then out of the picture for earth life experience unless we have a good need to use them.. Like winning the lottery !!!!!!!! Now that is a good thing to do !!!!!!!! hahahah"
Metaphysics,the big question mr atommix:What have all the people that win lotteries got in common other than them entering the game? What's your theory on this?
"If you proclaim to know to the quantum level, tell me how to get a super model as a girlfriend/wife in today's corrupt society?:P"
There are no proclamations just perturbations here son.metaphysics appears to happen in a relaxed state of body and mind.money seems to be the photon of the consciousness politique,packets of energy
"Photons are carried by the waves of the 9 and the 9 is time and time is space and space is energy and energy is life !"
9 is a way to put time onto paper? in other words,to border it for the purpose of physics?
Space is perceived to be outside consciousness.matter is perceived to be outside consciousness.the umbilical cord the between observer and observed is time? God is time?
Yes Atom,
everyone gets excited by photons, but why not look at
the harmonics of phonons?
After all there is a fair amount of condensed matter.
Would be nice if we actually new what a magnetic field was before we tried to explain !guess! what it is doing.
Ok element93rd, lets move to the next step!!! What do we do now to resolve real life world issues? With all of this knowledge that you have, what is the next chapter?
-build a UFO to move to another planet?
-build a freee energy device?
-make a new world order that will benefit man kind and the earth?
-terraform another planet in our galaxy?
So lets build this fuken UFO already. But then where we will go? Why not better communicate with an alien that knows where to go and befriend a friendly alien? The alien would pretty much tell us how to build/steal a UFO space ship instead of us making one from scratch.
Even so if the alien taught us how to make a UFO our bodies are too accustom to living in the earth that our bodies would need to gradually learn to travel in a UFO. Meaning, we would have to evolve to be aliens. It is not imposible due to "evolution" but a 40-50 year old human would be acting like a 4 year old alien in their world...that's IF THE HUMAN CAN SURVIVE FOR THAT LONG.
If we can build a UFO, on what planet do you want to land on element93rd? :P
So its not what change does but its what change is..what it is..what it is..what it is..(((FadingEcho)))
...What it is.(Fullstop)
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on November 11, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
Stephan the admin is interrupting all my posts here ???
Thank God for small mercies :D
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on November 11, 2015, 06:06:29 PM
Thats funny tin man hahahah
But you did ask what a magnetic field was so I told you !!! Now you can prove me wrong !!! hahahah Do you like my negative field pump ???? Are you ready to test fly the magic coil ???? its just a coil !!! I guarantee the craft that we build goes all the way to the moon comes back and claims the X Prize ........ But that might depend on your measurements and conformation of an independent like you ...........
I want to know everything !!! Its about truth over bull shit reality over nonsense !!! Now I can raise the money that is the simple part but the team ???????? well there going to have to be a little bit different ...
No
I said if only we knew what a magnetic field was.
I am wondering,with all you wisdom,when will you be showing some of your theories at work here?
hahhhaaaahhaaahahhhahaahhahahahahahhhahahhahahahahha
"When a man attacks another man he is attacking him self the reflection is the opposite of attraction !"
To exist is to attack nothing with something hahahaha.ww3 may or may not be inevitable
"A magnetic field can be understood better if we take a closer look at it as an EMF in the event horizon of a black hole as this horizon is a super charged electrical field of magnetic flux ! But its not being sucked into the vortex of the black hole and that to me proves there is no mass in a magnetic field. So what is it ??"
Must be the same thing as the magnet itself,an extension of it.mass has no mass hehehehehe
"To produce the harmonic in a piano string you need 2 strings and to isolate the magnetic field you need the magnet and the object you wish to affect !"
the two condensates.back to the two fields.two opposing fields.perhaps it is error to speak of time-space or even mention it in the equasion.in other words just isolate the exist itself.it will help us to an extent.time-space just construct for the exist?
" Harmonics from a piano"
Takes time.leave time out the equasion and isolate the piano.must be pure field.maybe exist exists outside time-construct.time is not even a construct its hocus-pocus. here for our purpose of locating fundamental condensate
The only question we should be asking is:how many opposing fields fundamentaly comprise existence outside of consciousness.when we have the answer to this then maybe things can move in 3-d again
"" Harmonics from a piano"
Maybe something exists outside time.outside space.actually exists brother
The big question motherfuckers: are time-space just borders for two fields or are two fields just borders for time-space oh!(Orgasm)
"We have given you an invite can you confirm you received it ?"
Mm the anti-group thought thought group,,,we are mulling it over atommix thanks
" In a quantum balance these fields should exist !"
This is what I've been trying to say all along just couldn't find the mirror to say it to buddy :).leave time-space alone,now what have we got,no more dimension,just reality! Bingbing!
"In a quantum balance these fields should exist !"
One thing cannot exist outside consciousness 1)the idea of time
"In a quantum balance these fields should exist !"
Get the idea of balance out of your mind.balance of what,balance of time?(change of field).balance of position?(Co-ordinates of field)
Leave those alone and you're left with field.field might be the only exist.extension of apophasis-perturb theory to the max
"In a quantum balance these fields should exist !"
Yes but time does not exist without change,change does not exist without shifting position,shifting position does not exist without field.field is the final condensate and hence field is what we need to focus on.field is the only exist
We need to ask questions like : 1)how many fields exist 2)what are they doing at a blackhole 3)what are they doing between blackholes.if we don't ask these questions then apophasis-theory will haunt us to the grave.how can one not ask these three questions
"You can not feed a hungry world on self alone !"
What is going on at the blackhole and between the blackholes father! You walk out on me now with the most important question in history!where's your attention son!
"But you said no dimensions ! hahah and you have not read the 9 ???? why ???? Just because the EMF is not swallowed up by the black hole does not mean we can rely on it to take a 1 tone lump up into the air as a giant magnet hahaha unless hahahahah ect ect ect the secret is given to you by me hahahahhahahahaha ....... "
Interesting daddy :) but at the end of the day it still boils down to either two or 3 fields either mixing at the hole,or seperating at the hole or both right?why bring in the 9 to complicate it? Surely the 9 is only punishment for looking at god from down up and not up down?
"Obviously I had opened something and it was beginning to become a real problem ! They would shake my bed move things around touch my hand than they started talking to me !"
I've also experienced this phenomena daddy.I never believed this stuff until i was at a pub and this entity started moving things around causing havoc.the thing that made me believe that it was not me going mad and was real was the stubborn fact that multiple other frequenters of that pub experienced the same phenomena on and off,in that pub including the barman,including the light-drinkers,includingcasual visitors.this was no co-incidence according the laws of probability.if this shit is real,then maybe field perturbations of people who once lived and no longer live re-perturbate for some reason at that harmonic dimension which you mentioned
"Is it real ????????? oh yes son its real !!!!
they threw my friend onto the pooltable and he's a heavyweight..they scattered coins right out the barman's till onto floor multiple times infront witnesses..they pushed,prodded several folks,sometimes at the same time.they distorted light to make it look like a grey haze hovvering in the middle of the pub,moving infront multiple witnesses.they wore women's high-heel shoes and walked up right behind me and others in toilets,only to disappear instantly.they moved bottles, glasses,smashed glasses from behind the bar that no-one except the barman could possibly reach.they sucked peoples energy,many could feel it even if they couldn't see it. I launched an investigation around that time to see if I could locate a cause for all this and low-and behold,a gigantic transformer lay just on the other side of the pub's wall.it was supplying electricity to two huge blocks of flats.perhaps this was bending space-time somehow,maybe positioned right angle,right place.the pub did have metallic roofing.
Although I like to look at things from different angles regarding human earth experiences and taking in consideration math theory and common sense theory...I see element93rd just speaking about sound number 9...hmmm he is speaking about sound harmonic of sounds only...hmmm what about the harmonic of light? If you are correct, then light also has a harmony? And what is the 9 of light? NOT ONLY THAT! What about taste...we like to eat food (energy) and very delicious food are the most tasty! So the eating also has a number 9? Oh wait, what about sexual reproduction? It also has to do with the number 9? Oh wait, what about air planes flying? It also has to do with the number 9?
Is the 9 the same 9 in the quantum level? How can it be when you are just referring to the sound? And what does the 9 mean when it is just a language? The number 9 could just be 111111111 or 000000000...because after 9 comes 1 and 0...after -9 comes -1 and -0 ....it is the climax of the number where is does a full circle around. 1-9, 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49..etc...
If the # 9 the balance of sound, how can the balance of sound be the balance of LIGHT AND TIME? Since time and light are the back bones of space and "the big bang"? SOOO is hard to swallow the notion that understanding sound ONLY and applying it to a number 9 the ONLY truth to the whole GALAXY?
Element93rd, give an example! In the electronics, in an AC/DC motor! In an R/C air plane, either battery powered or gas powered! In ANYTHING, give an example of what you mean?
IF YOU ARE AN EXPERT regarding SOUND! How can you understand light time? What is the clock of a neutrino? What is the clock of a photon? HECK! In a 24hr/12hr clock, where does the 9pm/am has an importance to the clock more than the rest of the time scale? EXPLAIN! 8)
"its not a riddle its a matrix "
Right on daddy tell them straight the bastards I'l fuck them all up!gamot potana stivyalo alo ston malakiez! If cause and effect can happen at the same time then cause and effect may be permanently matrixized muuaahahahaha what a fabulous thought..
"ARE YOU IN OR OUT ?"
Like heisenberg once said: I'm IN AND OUT muuuaahahahaha hehehehehe wooooo!!!
"claim the X PRIZE"
You're going to split it with all your hutchinsonians daddy.. Wonder if that prize x-ists
"Hutchison will never get that iron ball higher than 3ft without the 9"
So what have you got there by you then dad? A fucking philadelphia? What do you need all the hutchinsons for if this is the case? Where are you going to take all the children to daddy!
"The location of the great pyramid encodes the speed of light!"
If this is no co-incidence then what is it? You're saying who-ever built these things did it with the speed of light in mind?
"The point is 50 000 years ago there was an advanced intelligence on this rock and were here for a good 40 000 years !"
I don't rule out other life-forms but is there any evidence of remains/skeletons of such extra-terrestans here on earth
"And when you are ready I will show you the enemy"
Hahaha Man's greatest enemy is his own dick
"Son you have been chosen for a very important mission hahahahahahhahaha"
You bastard! Fuck you daddy! You always do this to me!
I do believe the number 9 in the sound as you proclaim to satisfy the ear drums. But I just don't see the 9 more important than the 8 nor 10. What goes after 9? 10 right? And what comes after 10? 11 right? Then we get to 19 (9) then we have 20...we could have 1111111111119 and the one's do not matter?
OK, now lets think of a photon in the 9? the light has to go from 1 to 9 and after nine there is a "vortex" of light...BUT THEN, light keeps on being light. The number 9 did NOT create light nor explained the photons. The 9 only may explain the big picture but it does not explain the quantum. I can just picture 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 999 9 9 99 9 99 999 999 all over the place, but where is 1 and 0? The beginning (big bang) of the numbers began with the number 0. 1=1, 2=1+1, 3=1+1+1, 4=1+1+1+1, etc....9=111111111 or 8+1 or 9+0 or 11111+1111, or -9 + +9...nine is the vortex of the return to zero BUT it does not mean building a UFO?
I do see the 9 in a vortex because you cannot have 99 in a vortex let alone 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999...but you are ignoring the # 1-8 and that zero (0) 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
Why is the 9 sooo important and not the 0 too? In the evolution of number, the primitive started counting with 1...the computer language is 1 and 0 (binary). All computer language is 1 and 0 there is no 9? Why? All of this COMPLEX computer engineering is based on 1 and 0 with no 9's and you come here trying to say that 9 speak all of the universe language ONCE AND FOR ALL?
The 9 makes it seem like you are talking/speaking about the event horizon in a mathematical balck hole BUT you had to use 1's.2's, pi, 3's, 4's, 5's, sixes and other numbers to come to number 9 since the number 9 did not add up to itself by just 9 numbers?
What is the 9 of a photon?
If the 9 in a photon is true, then there is a greater speed of light! Then all particles always are a VORTEX then if there is no life coming out of the vortex, everything would die. And since everything is not dead then there is -9. which is 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,-0,-1,-2,-3,-4,-5,-6,-7,-8,-9,-0,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0..... 8)
I just found a "magnetic wormhole", a sphere that guides magnetism
(One pole) in one end and out the other.
Another thing that interested me was that within a current conducting
super conductor a magnetic field is eliminated. Just wondered if the
magnetic motor boys have thoroughly [size=78%]investigated super conductors?[/size]
Clear the attachment!
Wel that's blown my system!hahahahahahahahahHahHahahHahHHHHHHHHHHHHHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Grandkids with a frog
Just tryin' to get to next page!
"LONG LIVE THE FRENCH ..... SON !!!!!!!!!!
the elephant is gonna chase the invisible ants daddy? Vrotex-l hahahaha sinkhole number 9 ww3
Whooooooo this thread is getting too powerful daddy.let us focus energy on the lotto now an see wat happens hahahaha.split lottos joel/profitis/minnie/daddy and one extra guy here I can feel it hahahaha come out caspanga hahahahaheeee
Brivi
QuoteThe interesting thing is if we are expanding as some kind of inflation thing why does it not effect life ? Why is life not inflating? How can it accelerate and inflate yet we don't??
Maybe because the universe is sooo huge that we are seen as quantum animals from the outside of the universe. Hmmm I thought you had figured this out with your 9 system?
BTW, what kind of psychotropic drugs are you taking?
QuoteWe are made of every element in the universe ! And if you keep a good balance of them you never grow old or die !
I am telling you that photons have a life expectancy. The photons from the "big bang" are NOT the same that the telescopes light shift see NOR do they see the past...they only see NEW photons that are alive...this means that the universe can be wayyyyy older than the light shift may claim and soooo huge and big that we are QUANTUM animals compared to the universe size. But I thought your # 9 claimed to know the quantum too but I guess you can't understand it? Hmmmmmmwhy are you sitting in your chair right now and don't feel the earth's spinning on it's axis speed? And how come you don't also feel the speed of the whole galaxy traveling in space (expansion)?
At any rate, everything dies even photons. Since photons are created! The only thing that is eternal is the expansion/contraction of the universe. Now can you imagine if there is a SUPER BLACK HOLE that eats universes? Maybe our universe is at the event horizon right now and going faster than the speed of light down the black hole...IOW, based on your #9 stuff...we are probably on # 8.9 ? :)
Element93rd, what answers do you have to save this planet?
What planet should we terraform?
Do you have cute females for profitis?
Did you scape from a mental institute?
Are you profitis second personality? Lol (there is a similarity in the posting)
Give me logical calm and colected answers :) NOT BE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
Hahahahahhaaaa aahh hahahaha how many people can withstand reflection of themselves when there's no mirror around hahahahahahaha
"The world out side your window is no longer what it was !"
Snatch everyone's mirrors away from them all at once daddy? aaaahh hahahahahahaaaah
Whooooooo hahahaha(water in my eyes)
Tears
"Its a real war between dimensions and its here now ! ..."
Heisenberg yes.the crazy will become sane,and the sane crazy
"ban the mirror"
If this mirror for any reason turns at 180degrees and reflects the self for the inexperienced eye,its time to tilt out the front door.could happen in an instant
Well at least you are thinking shyt with your little brain (:P) so lets continue this little PREDICTION stuff.
QuoteInteresting that you see the edge of the universe going down a black hole hahahahhaha but ! The reason we are accelerating means that the energy of the universe is in a loop feed back cycle or it would lose energy and slow down hahaha !!! When the mass is broken down to a neutrino it will travel above light speed and is seen to do that ! So at the edge of our universe is a high concentration of these neutrinos ! But the laws of energy conservation must be kept as a constant and these neutrinos are there for sent back via the 5th dimension to the position of where the universe started and continue to accelerate outwards ! They never stop accelerating and become a super quantum fabric that is called the fabric of space time continuum .........
All I can see is that everything is a ladder. ALL! Photons, "the big bang", the universe, the expansion of the universe, neutrinos...all energy is a ladder. And at the end of each ladder step, everything becomes food for something else. You could call it "ladder theory" from joel321...but I see everything clibbing this ladder which correlates with "evolution" BUT I only see "evolution" is in all energy. And the end (loop back) of the evolution, is the energy given back to it's source. But every step ladder is a source....like here we are in a "step of a ladder" called earth and we have our own "loop back" of time = 24/hr or 12/hr clock. We also have a "loop back" of our atmosphere. Tornado's, hurricanes, "ice age's", currents in our oceans, basically our earth is a LOOP BACK. BUT our earth is a STEP IN A LADDER since it is not the LADDER IN THE GALAXY/UNIVERSE?
The laws of energy conservation are only on the edge of the LOOPS, where the vapor of water needs to rain from the clouds = water loop in the earth. Human reproduction is also a "LOOP" = 10 million sperm to fertilize a female egg? = reproducing = reproducing = reproducing? = loop?
QuotePhotons do not die !!! There energy is just converted into a lower state photon and soon end up as gravity ! A photon is a particle and a wave just like an electron ! Its also like a string and string has two ends ! Why is it that if you were traveling along side a photon and circle around it that you can see it from all directions and if there was a trillion others who also circle around the photon they to can see it from all directions !
Photons have to die since they have time = photon + quantum second + photon + quantum second = how old the phantom is in .0000000000000001 seconds which means, photons experience time and experience AGE! NOW! I do not mean that their energy is not CONVERTED to another type of energy (SINCE THIS IS HOW WE MANIPULATE METALS/PLASTICS/RUBBERS) But I'm saying that a photon CANNOT go in a straight line for ever! Eventually it will "CONDENSATE" and turn back to the SOURCE of how it was created! Where there will be a new photon born but it will not be the same photon, it will be a new born from the LOOP!. This is SIMPLEX, since "the big bang" from where are the light shift photons coming? From the big bang right now? LOL we can just be seeing light shift from a STEP IN MY "LADDER THEORY"! How are the photons that hit our telescopes able to be the same over and over again? AND you have to have TRILLIONS of photons, how do you know all of them personally to know their life? That's just stupid!
QuoteIn your theory that would not be possible as there would be not enough energy in the photon as you think its being absorbed when it hits your eyes hahahahah !!!! But now we see even if there are millions who also see the same photon so haw much energy is now in that photon ? You SEEE NOW THE PHOTON IS NEVER TO DIE !!!
Based on my "ladder theory" a photon MUST HAVE ENERGY because the photon could just be like the sun! AS A MATTER OF FACT IDIOT LIGHT IS VITAMIN D.
The photon dies and has quantum energy....so little in a photon by itself but great when trillions combine. NOT enough as other subatomic particles but it has ENERGY to give in it's life cycle.
QuoteSo that should completely confuse you hahahahahhahahahhahahah How much energy is in the photon to achieve that ? Its like a tiny drop of water that some how a billion sponges absorb at the same rate and consume the same amount of mass and energy from just a tiny drop of water ! The Christ was good at this one hahahahahhahahaha
Well let me give you a number while I get a calculator 'cause my calculator measure in the atomic numbers...so lets see...2 photons plus 2 = 3...ok...LOL really? A photon CANNOT go straight like this –---------------------------------------------------the oscillation is the food a photon must go like this -^-V-^-V-^-V-^-V-^- etc just like the oscillation of sound in hertz. NOW LET ME ASK YOU THIS SOUND EXPERT, WHAT IS THE SOUND OF A PHOTON? Unless you mean to tell me that a photon does not make a sound when it passes by?
QuoteChrist was not a religious man he was a very good meta physical quantum mechanic and he had learned this reality by the hidden masters of he's time ! For 200 years at that point in human history the school of miracles was here in the UK and there technology was thought love respect and the matrix of the 9 ! We need to go back in time and re learn all what we have lost and you still have not read the secrets of the 9 . why ? because you are to dam lazy and just sit there thinking to much ......
OK, THINK! What is the 9 of negative and positive? What is the 9 of good and bad? What is the nine of funny and sad? What is the 9 of water and vapor? What is the 9 of light and dark?
You may be too dimensional to just believe in the 9 BUT based on my own theories, based on the all angles evidence, based on the science evidence, the 9 has to have a -9...the 9 is ONLY a step in a ladder of 9's....IT IS JUST NOT 100% what you say regarding all life! Like I already told you the biggest regret towards your number 9, all of the computers function with only 1 and 0 (binary).
Tell me what is the number 9 stuff in a clock? You mean to tell me that TIME IS 100% the same among all particles? But tell me what does the number 9 mean in a 12hr wall clock?
QuoteI am angry over what happened in France ! And have come up with a simple plan to freak out all of the Islamic religious nut jobs that really need to fully learn that the name ISLAM when translated means the word DEVIL ...
There religion is praying to a demonic entirety of the darkest and most evil kind ! They think they are some how helping GOD to rule the world but in fact they are trying to permit this world to be controlled by demons from hell .
Yeah they are like flu viruses! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Which I am kind of disappointed in you element93rd, why, with all of your intelligence, have you have not got rid of them? And not only you, but what about the "scientists" that believe 100000000% in the "big bang theory" and talk about it all over the place like if they have figured out something HUGE but yet, we see all of this CORRUPTION! Then I don't believe the scientists whom proclaim to know the expansion of the universe nor the ones that proclaim to know about neutrinos...UNLESS they don't give a fuck about the common people? Would not by now all of the great mind getting together would have figured out a way to to get rid of corruption so we could terraform other planets? And the same people say that aliens do not exists?
QuoteSo its time to do something very special ............. There leader MOHAMID is still alive in the quantum and he chose to die at the birth place of Christ because he finally understood he had been tricked by a demonic evil spirit who used him to start the Islamic religion that was also part funded by the so called pope of the time ! These demonic beings are now everywhere jumping in and out of peoples minds pushing people out of there homes like ghosts that haunt ....... And many go into park lands and never seen again ! Check out Alien abductions and alien human mutilations ect ect
ohhhhhhh! But now we are thinking about the "loop". What "phenomena" makes one reflect in to thinking that one has been wrong for a long time? The bible has many many many many examples of people REFLECTING and people not REFLECTING....but psychology only has pills and depressed atheists. Now here comes THE BIG QUESTION, how do you think you are living a JUST life and are 100% in everything that you say element93rd?
What do you want for you? For your kids? For your wife? For your friends? For your relatives? For your neighbors? For your boss? .........for profitis? Lol
QuoteI am different than all other men on this earth but I am still human !
lol that is obvious bro!
QuoteYou do not want to meet these demons and if you do you need to know how to protect your self ! The war in heaven is now here on earth and there are many more demons then the war in heaven .... Study demonic possession alien abduction ghosts and dimensional beings ! The devil is also connected to many other demonic planets and galaxies full of demons ! And now there coming here in large numbers ! Check out deep space UFO and the hidden truth about the war in space !
I'm not going to argue with you on this...just the mere thinking of negative daemons, your brain waves would invite them because they live in a world where the unconscious thoughts live. When you have a firm belief in the brain and in the body you created the barrier of where evil cannot take over your body! Heck your brain is always trying to take over your body....it may relate to your number 9, but your brain is always trying to take control over you. I see this as a yin/yang the brain and the body get into this "battle" that the only answer is A BALANCE ...but how to get to that balance is the tricky part that no one teaches you in school. You have to figure it out on your own, if your parents failed to teach it to you!
AT any rate, the only way to protect yourself from daemons is to kill them with neutrinos.
QuoteIf you think this is a joke you will soon be running but with out me you will be running around in circles !
Just like you are right now! Lol How many times have you been banned from this forum? You made a new named from all of the names you have been banned bro. With all of this 9 stuff and all of this "you have the answers to all questions" why have not figured out the SIMPLEX way as to follow the rules not to get banned and this is a VERY VERY VERY light moderated forum. o.0?
I am not going to lie, your ideas are out there but they are not explained 100% as being the "loop of life" where everything has been answered for all to have figured out the "ladder theory"....
Oh yeah! Do you have any cute girlfriends for profitis because he likes the pretty girls?8)
QuoteIts not far fetched to me as I have seen a demon coming through a mirror !
You mean you saw your own reflection? ;D
QuoteNo real beings independent from me ! And not just one there were many of them and they interacted with the mass around me moving things around ect ect ect ..........
Why the hell did you not asked them any questions if this is true?
How did this happen, as in, did you ask them to appear to you? can you do it again and take pictures? ask them questions? Interact with them?
Do you really believe a mirror is a portal? When was the mirror invented? And ever since the mirror was invented, portals where opened?
Is not like I don't believe in aliens (light beings), just that the mirror has NOTHING to do with all of that.
The beings independent from you while you where looking in the mirror where just trying to comb their hair bro. 8)
"Oh yeah! Do you have any cute girlfriends for profitis because he likes the pretty girls?8)"
Are you jealous joelitis. Why do I get this feeling that I know you.kayla? This you baby?
"Go to a library every day all day long and read books"
Hahahaha or create a library lottery where girls must pay 10dollars to kiss you for the chance to win a theoretical 40million dollars but you better carry pepper spray hahaha
QuoteAre you jealous joelitis. Why do I get this feeling that I know you.kayla? This you baby?
hehehe I am just making myself laugh because through out all the debates, females seem to be important and that is a proof of you being sexually frustrated. Hehehe
I'm a guy that can give your GF flowers if you don't give her some :P
QuoteThe 9 is a matrix it decodes the size position and shape of everything and is how gravity interacts with mass !
First of all, the matrix is a movie that relates to taking your brain thoughts and plug them in to 1's and 0's virtual world..like I said, binary computer language. Second of all, HOW CAN THE 9 DECODE THE SIZE POSITION AND SHAPE OF 9?
QuoteBut now we see you yet again making up things as you go along and that is not the universe that is what is in your head. Photons are never completely absorbed , what about all the invisible photons ?
Tell me how to repair a TV step by step both cathode and LCD?
Tell me how to repair a clock both battery operated and weight/spring operated?
Tell me how to repair a car engine and transmission?
Tell me how to repair an air conditioning unit in any house?
Tell me how to JB weld a dish washer? lol (pirate)
Tell me how to repair a generator?
Everything I say based on personal pas experiences just like anyone else does. So who is making up things? Me that I can explain how to fix everything that I posted above or you that has no proof of what you claim?
Now the one that looks from very different angles from a 360 degree can understand more things than one that only sees things from a bubble of 180 degrees or even 45 degrees angle.
How do you claim to tell me that photons are never completely absorbed? You mean to tell me that my eyes do NOT adsorbed photons when I look at something? Where do the photons in the eye goes after it gives out it's information to the retina? AHEM! Gives out energy/information. Where does the photon go after it enter the eye?
QuoteYou need a girl friend than go out there and find one ! Go to a library every day all day long and read books than when a girl you like walks in run up to her and say have you read nibblynobbaly and she will smile and say no but I've got wibblywobbaly and you say rubbish there is not such a thing as a wibblywobbaly and she will say oh yes there is I have two of them. At that point tel her she must prove it or she is a fake hahaha. Thats how you get 3 kids and a mortgage hahahaha ....
Girls are submissive mammals. Even your GF someone else can take away via someone treating her better or submissive her better. My GF would look at you like if you are a dumb ass to be honest lol...like hot girls go to the library hehehehe. I would not introduce you to any lady I know for a potential "suiter" nor recommend you for any stranger 'cause you sound like you are coo koo clock. lol
QuoteForget photons don't play with demons leave your lego set at home when you go to the library and finally never ever underestimate a nibblynobbaly when a wibblywobbaly is around hahahahahhaahhaahahahahahah lol xx
hmmmm ok. Stop your stupidity...go ahead and answer my questions smart mr librarian guy that gets many librarian females lol...oh you get many barbies there bro. lol
QuoteHahahaha or create a library lottery where girls must pay 10dollars to kiss you for the chance to win a theoretical 40million dollars but you better carry pepper spray hahaha
lol see this is a perfect example where I never would have thought of this based on the "angle perspective" of looking at things. And, also, is a perfect example how your mind is more CREATIVE by looking from your past experiences. HENCE! Only a person that WORRIES or UNDERSTANDS such experiences can only think of such things like just profitis exposed!
My first mouth/tongue kiss from a girl was at about 11 years old...I did not want to kiss her...she tricked me to kiss her which was not a good experience. The least of my worries is kissing a girl or having babies with a girl. Lol..kiss, is for free...it is the evolution of life and only the people that have the ability can reproduce with many females and kiss many many for free with no work done just to the point where one says...nothing difficult.
You profitis dork! Streets "smart" guy... tell me how to fix the following? I bet you won't know? How much money you want to give me lol.
How do you repair a car engine/transmission?
How do you repair a cathode/LCD TV?
How do you repair an Air Conditioning Unit?
How do you repair a dishwasher with JB weld?
How do you repair a computer if it breaks down?
How do you repair a ceiling fan?
How do you repair an AC/DC motor?
How do you repair a sink faucet? (the simplest shit to do)
How do you repair a cell phone?
How do you frame a house like a carpenter?
Answer any of those with great detail and I will respect you....don't know the answers to all and you are SHIT TO ME :P Why? Because that's how looking at things from different angles gets you closer to the TRUTH! If you don't know those SIMPLE answers, how can you know to proclaim what you know? Which to me is MEHH! Just profitis diareah in the mouth :P FREEEdom of speech in a forum, but no actual evidence WHICH I can ask over and over again and you can type over and over and over again BUT the FACTS ARE THERE NO MATTER WHAT! :P
"Answer any of those with great detail and I will respect you....don't know the answers to all and you are SHIT TO ME :P Why?"
This your way of selecting the hottest of the hottest? I've got to earn YOUR respect? What are you some bigshot here on ou.com mr/mrs joel oh wise one we bow to you.maybe I should lick your boots maybe you look like rosario dawson
"Tell me how to repair a TV step by step both cathode and LCD?"
You need a man who is good with fixing tv's ok
"Tell me how to repair a clock both battery operated and weight/spring operated?"
You need a man who will spend time with you ok
"Tell me how to repair a car engine and transmission?"
You need a man who is good with cars this is normal
"I'm a guy that can give your GF flowers if you don't give her some :P"
If your a guy then fucking act like one man.quit being bitchy to the quantum physicists and rather learn from them
Quote"Tell me how to repair a TV step by step both cathode and LCD?"
You need a man who is good with fixing tv's ok
"Tell me how to repair a clock both battery operated and weight/spring operated?"
You need a man who will spend time with you ok
"Tell me how to repair a car engine and transmission?"
You need a man who is good with cars this is normal
I am asking you this because I can repair them, bro! And this ability to repair lots of things gives you sort of a different angle of looking at things to make you a better judge of bullshit or ingenuity.
If you can't grasp those things yourself you are not looking on the relation of everything that connects them. If you are not capable to understand these things, you don't have the ability to INVENT things and CONNECT ideas to put them together in a new way....so, with that said, if I know how to fix more stuff than you, than I am more knowledgeable than you are regarding more things in general profitis :)
Or how is that not true? 8)
What type of inventions/solutions do you have for your "issues"?
What type of inventions/solutions do you have to make money?
If you where a car/airplane/boat designer, how would you communicate with the engine engineer?
What about a solution to lower electricity/gas costs?
The beauty about understanding all of these things is that they give you answers for even real life issues! That are even relevant to see who is genuine here in OU. Heck, after YOU being here for soooo long, what are your answers? Or will you just be here posting for ever and ever with not finding real solutions/answers?
" you don't have the ability to INVENT things and CONNECT ideas to put them together in a new way"
I've seen firsthand certain type batteries behaving unconventionally mr joel now I'm on the journey to understand precisely why and if this magic can extend to other areas of existence for example,metaphysics.if we can learn to master or teaze those dimensions of which mr atommix speaks then maybe we can seriously win the state lottery,which runs into the 30 millions here and the 100 millions there by you.this is real shit my friend so we need to learn from our quantum physicist guests and help them feel comfortable ok?
"What type of inventions/solutions do you have to make money?"
This is what I'm trying to find here but you're not asking the right questions to those deep in the know.now when those deep in the know say there are certain dimensions that can be unlocked,with your mind/body,then there are dimensions that can trigger events leading directly to chiks,money,success etc etc
"Why question it or try and isolate the mechanics of it when it only works by permitting it freedom and trust to come to us in a reflection of truth."
Incredible words atom this is true.try to isolate it and cage it and it heisenbergs away from the grasp hahaha.but alas,knowing that it runs away from the front of the will to behind the will is one giant leap forward.here's where unconscious(or conscious) knowing ie. faith works its miracles perhaps
"Of all the 20 times I was asked a complex question I found each and every answer with out looking or reading ..."
This is why I already instinctively know there's the 9,12,13,14,1000? fold-overs of the borders of 3-d and 2-d reality.I'm curious to see if I can grasp them without reading about them at this stage
" has no conditional rules not other methods but trust alone !"
Very very interesting.the smiling bhudda is smiling for a reason hahaha.we can't bend his will but if we let him bend ours then we can/t!! Oh! (Another moment)
"The mind is the machine that lives inside the quantum computer so communicate with it"
Very very important.few people realise this criticly important scientific fact.we cannot divorce ourselves from it even though we are generally trained by society to ignore it.this thing receives electrical quanta of thoughtwaves/experience-waves and responds to it.a single person may catalyse tremendous events like this because of the cause-effect photon jumping dimensions
" The winning set of numbers are connected to pass winning numbers."
I'm of the understanding that we must makelet the numbers win and not make them win
"The matrix will also know the lottery numbers and we are conducting an experiment for the US lottery with this months full moon. I have designed the experiment and all are welcome to join ... "
let everyone throw numbers here see what happens..
Hahaha from anomalous heat to anomalous numbers whoooooooooo baby! Who dares say that the universe is disconnected I'l fuk them up! Come come!
nothing is not what it seems
element93rd, reading this/these type of shyt will make you loose some brain atoms or two "Hahaha from anomalous heat to anomalous numbers whoooooooooo baby! Who dares say that the universe is disconnected I'l fuk them up! Come come! ".
I seriously think that profitis must have down syndrome or is some how fucked up in the brain and only uses one liners to CONVEY his whole BRAIN THINKING and then believes that he has explained 100% of his mental PROOF as to no further questions need to be asked. = attention whore! and not a PERSON THAT WILL HAND OUT SOLUTIONS FOR FREEE like TA with his understanding of magnetism. Although it takes time and understanding of who has been here just to enhance his/her pride for whatever reason, you can see those that truly want to FIND ANSWERS from those that are just here due to their entertainment.
HECK! I thought at one point that TA was coo coo in the brain. But then his stuff started to make sense ok, It stated to grow on me and it makes sense after looking at things from different angles.
Then we had, who else, pirate? who is also here to learn and not teach and also get a little credit of the things that he has done but nothing MIND blowing nor intriguing to sat WOW! this guy has answers to some complicated questions...or at least, plants the seed for the EVOLUTION of thought! and WHAT COMES NEXT? nope! nothing new.
Then profitis, the ghetto boy from who knows where. Who keeps talking about his lab and his testings and turning bismuth to gold and for guys to suck his dick and that he likes young pretty females and that he can kick my ass....and that he knows a lot of people on the internet...lol...then he writes like he is retarded. "Hahaha from anomalous heat to anomalous numbers whoooooooooo baby! Who dares say that the universe is disconnected I'l fuk them up! Come come!", "nothing is not what it seems"....like he is very very very very very very VAGUE with his words that one needs to try to figure OUT what he really means ALWAYS. PROFITIS! you don't make sense. You are not knowledgeable regarding COMPLEX thinking in the brain! I BET you don't even know what element93rd means when he types? If you do, lets hear you give a whole paragraph EXPLAINING what he means. THEN also, lets hear what you think TA is talking about regarding MAGNETISM. lol...your cheerleaders are dwindling...even minnie has more relevant things to talk about that frofitis...but groupies gotta group even if it violates the laws if the universe...lol
Now element 93rd with is number 9 and finding the answer to the everything yet he does not understand why there is a difference between the quantum TIME of one sitting in a chair and not being able to feel the speed of thousands of miles per hour while our body travels through the space. :o
element93rd, now ask profitis if he understand what you are talking about? Since when you provided those sound pictures portraying the # 9, profitis was like "wow!" now he is pretending like he understand what you mean and trying to explain to me that I should "get out of my head" and allow the "teachers' to teach! BUT......element93rd....go ahead and ask profitis if he understand what you mean NOW regarding your #9 stuff and watch and be "AMAZED" as to the explanation of his understandings ::)...lol
If element93rd can understand what profitis writes, then it is a formula for EVOLUTION and 100% future FREEE technology for both.
What does profitis want?
What does element93rd want?
Understanding both of your ideas, the elemental sound of the #9 and understand the GHETTO side of things = a very big discovery?
LOL, ELEMENT93RD is talking about aliens, the answer to the quantum level, that the 9 is a god WHILE profitis is just sitting behind his chair writing little one liners and sarcastic ghetto boy stuff. NOT EVEN thought provoking nor anything to add in the thought EVOLUTION to anything. That means that +element93rd + -profitis = -0
"HECK! I thought at one point that TA was coo coo in the brain. But then his stuff started to make sense ok, It stated to grow on me and it makes sense after looking at things from different angles."
What exactly started to make sense to you here cortez.let's test your ability to be of use here on overunity.com..
"HECK! I thought at one point that TA was coo coo in the brain. But then his stuff started to make sense ok, It stated to grow on me and it makes sense after looking at things from different angles."
What exactly made sense to you here.let us test if your brain is worthy for painstaking explanation
"I BET you don't even know what element93rd means when he types? If you do, lets hear you give a whole paragraph EXPLAINING"
He means precisely what I said he means,in one line: nothing is not what it seems..
"What does profitis want?
What does element93rd want?"
Same thing that you want.what do you want
" Harmonics and miles are imperial not metric !"
Was Listening to pink floyd,'terminal frost',it begins on one higher note that stays imperial throughout the entire work and beyond.that higher note is the border of time,the rest of harmonics the complete dimensions.a monstrosity of beauty this number!!
Dogs.
"Dogs."
Yawn ;-)
"Kelly den adel"
Yawn!
Where's Sadang? Lost in counterspace?
Well Profitis, I come across something which I find truly amazing most
every day.
It appears that there is such a thing as "negative temperature".
"It appears that there is such a thing as "negative
temperature"
Yes,peppered allover the universe(blackholyness).in violation of common sense lol.I need a job
I need a paycheck an a lab,ping,I'm sorted
"Do you have a space for lab"
Do you have a full-equiped lab.I'm powerless without one
yawwn
Oh dear profitis do you not have a lab or a job?
If you can understand what Kelly's book is about
I would think the sky's the limit as far as you're
concerned!
I'm old now and I have no idea what kelly is trying
to convey via his book. Since he started the topic I
have been looking at the way things work and I can
follow the logic in some Einstein. It looks to me as if
there were several fellows around that time who had
more or less "got" SR. even if they didn't quite realise
the full implications. I think that GR. was probably
more of a challenge.
I realise a lot of stuff on this forum is crap but I
really enjoy getting an insight into other people's
thoughts. After I've struggled through my day's work
I do a crossword and have a gander at OU. in the hope
of staving off the dreaded Altzheimers.
Kelly for a Nobel!!!
"If you can understand what Kelly's book is about
I would think the sky's the limit as far as you're
concerned!"
Haven't read it don't need to read it but he's onto something big.there's a flaw with GR,SR,and the whole gamut of dimensions but I can't put it into words yet.kelly's ideas can expand and intrude upon certain accepted standards in much more powerful ways but I cant find the conveyance yet.
some good points ther daddy but your cafeteria aside,there's an enormous breakthru that wants to come out this thread and it has to do with the perception of perception and/or definition of definition
"regenerate you need marine collagen
antharaxin"
Don't forget zinc! Think zinc hahaha
Does an Electron 'particle' exist? N. Tesla, Heaviside, JC Maxwell & CP Steinmetz said NO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IwgRNS1Frs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvurusx_AI
Divine Discontent: Charles Proteus Steinmetz Extended Roundtable
by Ken Wheeler
Published on Nov 17, 2015
Does an Electron 'particle' exist? Tesla, Heaviside, JC Maxwell & CP Steinmetz said NO
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original. He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter, and does not believe in the existence of an "electron" as pictured by science.
"To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability..." - Nikola Tesla
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)
"My ideas regarding the electron are at variance with those generally entertained. I hold that it is a relatively large entity carrying a surface charge and is not an elementary unit (particle). When the 'electron' leaves an electrode of high potential and in a high vacuum it carries an electrostatic charge many times greater than normal." – N. Tesla "In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto remained obscure to us." - Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916 "To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions." – W. Russell JJ Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit. One corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of what today is known incorrectly as an "electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W. Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether." – E. Dollard "There is no rest mass to an 'electron'. It is given here the 'electron' is no more than a broken loose "hold fast" under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. Obviously this reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein's Theory of Relativity." – E. Dollard
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the 'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" - C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses) The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction. "Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'." - Dr. Steve Biller
Acca... Thanks Ken another great video..[/font]
Physical or chemical.
Going by that photo old Kelly himself has got volume and mass!!!
Oh Atom you sure are a breath of fresh air!
Old Kelly worships Tesla and ridicules Albert.
I was doing a bit of looking and I think a Frenchman
was the first to come up with rotating magnetic fields.
There's a fair bit of "hype" associated with Nicola.
^ I did laugh out loud at this. element93rd is a Dr. too. Hey element93rd, what is the remedy for ADHD/ADD? Obesity?
Also, what do you think about this video https://youtu.be/zqG-TL0WnjE
Where's Kelly gone?
He's obviously busy with other things,quote "superficial twaddle and smacks of
existentialist crypto-nihilism,in short,you're a materialistic demon" unquote.
The guy he directed that at reckons he posts under nearly 30 different names!
Lol, I think profitis has found his dad. And element93rd had found his daughter. Lol...I am trying to understand both of your personalities and I am interested in how the brain can control the body to even make a person become blind...literately... which shows how great the power of thinking is in the human mind. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-blind-woman-who-switched-personalities-and-could-suddenly-see-a6746941.html
So I ask myself to both profitis (the son) and element93rd (the father) from who did your CONCRETE believes where gathered?
Profitis, what did your biological dad and mom teach you?
Element93rd, what did you biological dad and mom teach you?
Now, when both of you make babies, what will you teach them?
This is just an evaluation to try to see if you two are not a B.T. woman with multiple personalities. Lol You know a little about that element93rd, or Atom1, or Atommix..and etc.
And profitis, you know that you may have a second personality on the internet? What type of answers in real life do you have? I already know you can't fix stuff =
a- a dishwasher.
b- an air conditioning unit.
c- an automobile engine...or for than matter any gasoline engine.
d- a computer....hmmmm does your computer support windows 10? is it running windows 98? lol or linux? Windows xp? Windows 7?
e- can you repair a clock? Battery operated or spring operated?
f- etc
g- etc
h- etc
I- etc
Ask your father why does a clock have 12hrs or 24hrs cycle?
Hehehehe profitis, you found your father. Ask him to introduce you to your mother. Lol Then introduce your IMAGINARY wife/GF and kids to them...hehehehe. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-blind-woman-who-switched-personalities-and-could-suddenly-see-a6746941.html
Profitis, your father is not answering my questions about curing ADHD/ADD...ask him why? Nor the cure for obesity?
QuoteFuck you joelene sissyboy.show respec for daddy or I will shine my fist down your nerdy throat
hehehehehe how easy you found a new father there. I don't want to have to take off my belt and spank you both you and your new father hehehehe. Lets rationalize instead...lets find what your dad is trying to teach ok?
So lets both learn. Lets find out what element93rd is trying to teach so you can benefit. Lets ask him some questions...so calm down there master splinter.
And gorfali
QuoteWhat this means is that all earth planets must be 93 000 000 miles away from there sun ! Now with this I have managed to build a very important galactic map and have located all the other earth planets in our galaxy.
I am not going to disagree with anything of your finding regarding the distance of the earths from the suns. No matter the size of the sun, there has to be a distant balance for the earth to spin around the sun in a balanced manner to allow life to multiply. Lets say you are correct about this 93, 000, 000 miles for an earth to develop around a sun. This actually means that all sun like stars have an earth around them which means that there is other life in outer space other than us in this earth and maybe more advance than us and then we go to the aliens! So lets say you told this to an alien and the alien knows what you are talking about BUT the alien sees what you understand as being nothing important. The alien tells you, "yeah element93rd, that is how all earth's balance out" no big deal. SO what would be the big deal about understanding the distance of the earth relating to the sun....ONE BIG THING I can see is that transforming another planet would ne a big FAILURE. Unless one can somehow bring it in towards the 93, 000, 000 miles distance from the sun? But then, would not the size alter the distance? IOW< if the size of the earth doubled, would the same distance be the same to the sun? Or would the sun have to double it's size to keep the doubled size earth in the same place? I am thinking that is what would happen, BUT I can also picture that a doubled size earth would have a wiggle room in the orbit and there would still be life BUT the earth would last less millions of years.
Anyways, I keep coming back to the clock. Why does the clock have 12hrs? I think between 9 and 12, there is the vortex time. And you know that the earth orbiting around the sun is oval...so it is not 93, 000. 000 miles all of the time as a perfect circle = oscillation! Now that I think about it...oscillation is a 3D wave (like a vortex). It is NOT a 2D wave on an oscilloscope. But you already know this right element93rd?
Also, element93rd, how about a galaxy orbiting another galaxy? Does the same 9 principle applies?
I think you need to teach your son profitis so he can learn all of your knowledge. Profitis is there waiting for his little brain to get filled and enlighten by his father...don't burst his bubble. lol
QuoteOthers use it to heal people from cancer and pain ! What would you do with such a skill
The mind is very powerful = you are your worse enemy = http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-blind-woman-who-switched-personalities-and-could-suddenly-see-a6746941.html
The mind has outside influences because we learn from the out IN...we don't learn from the in out. I do believe in this energy where you take 50 people thinking negative things on one person, the energy transfers to the one person...while you take 50 people thinking positive things to the one person, the same...the difference is in the energy. I have thought about this before and it correlates with humor... so humor is sort of a self defense mechanism for humans. As a way to reject the negative energy from people....but also FREEWILL plays a big roll in it...which means, teachings from the past, = keep your enemies closer. Or, keep your enemies laughing. You see life people have different personalities = the yin and yang = positive negative = magnetism in the mind. The mental healing process does not work for everyone...a clown cannot be healed with teaching him/her the workings of the universe...ALSO, an intelligent person cannot be healed by teaching him/her the workings of how to make people laugh. BASED on out EVOLUTION, and sine we have presidents and leaders, all love a LEADER than can teach these followers of humans. Lol Just like profitis just found a new father so easy. He is not a leader but more of a follower.
SO element93rd, lets get down to the meat of the bone...are you a follower or a leader? Can you even lead your own self brain thoughts?
I appreciate it element93rd but I am in my 30's and I am fully aware that I know more stuff that your average person. In fact, I fall in the realm of maybe in the 10% type of personality. I did some research regarding why I think this way and my conclusion is that I was born this was in the physical way of thinking. IOW, my brain thinks from the other way than your 90% average person. You could say I think INVERTED and It is hard for people that are use to understand verted way of thinking to understand my inverted way of mental thinking. I know it is weird, but since little I have said words "backwards" because they felt more comfortable to me...for example... I have say "cornpop" instead of "popcorn". I have said "fighter-street" instead of "street-fighter"... I also tend to always work backwards from the norm when doing a job. So I understand that my thinking is inverted than your average person.
BUT I don't see things my only way....in fact, my ability to only see things INVERTED from the norm, I'm always finding ways to try for people to understand what I am trying to say since my inversion, for some reason, gives me a step ahead of their mentality.
OK element93rd, you feel like there is no vortex in the magnets? Since this is a TA thread regarding a magnetic vortex? Right? Now my inverted way of thinking, can you think how time/magnetism would go backwards? In your beliefs of the #9 (or anything else for that matter) do you believe if everything would go backwards, there would still be a #9? My thinking of inverted is going backwards. So lets make "the big bang" go backwards? = inflation to the atomic second "the big bang" occured...and then what happens?
Blah blah blah...ignore all of that element93rd...lets get back to the present time. At this very moment and second...what is your main purpose?
1- do you want to teach us something about magnetism?
2- are you here just to insult TA?
3- do you have any solutions regarding a corrupt government?
4- do you really have a solution to elongate the human body life expectancy?
5- what are you trying to teach?
Me?
I am here because I believe that FREEE is real.
And that a 6th great extinction is around the corner.
That all life is a vortex.
That the scientists are pussies. Lol = They created weapons to kill...and are killing.
That there are many people out there that don't think INVERTED = from both sides of the angle.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I ask myself, I am trying to learn....BUT element93rd is here to teach? Teach what? What improvements in anything does your teachings give? All that you know, where do you see people learning from you being 10 years from now?
QuoteAnd no there is no magnetic vortex beyond that of a black hole !
Remember the facts about toilet swirl? https://youtu.be/aDorTBEhEtk How the rotation of the earth influenced the spinning of the water going down the drain? You even said that it had nothing to do with gravity. Now this is regarding water. Now what about regarding SOUND? Since you propose that sound is the fundamental key to understanding the "harmonic" waves of life? Now I am not going against you at all....and I am 100% sure those sound waves have magnetism in them too. Now, how does sound travel? I mean, do sounds curve? Now THINK ABOUT IT>>>sounds go inside the ear spinning down the ear. If the sound does not spin downward, it would not be heard by the ear since the ear is a funnel. OK, which way does the sound spin in the north side of the earth and which way in the south side of the earth? Based on the toilet swirl, The north and south are both swirling down to the equator WHICH make a VORTEX of a number 8...This number 8 is in all elements. It is in any pendulum. It is in a clock...= a magnet needs to have an 8 since one side of it is weaker than the other. A magnet is NOT a perfectly balanced magnetic magnet because if it was, the magnetic properties would cancel out...so the magnet gathers energy from the air and spirals it down/in and the it exausts to gather more energy. So a magnet is a number 8 energy until the number 8 goes very low and the magnet stops being a magnet.
As a matter of fact, your number 9 comes after the number 8...after nine is a vortex going down to 0...like sound...you play any sound and it goes from 0-9 and then back down...any sound key is a vortex. Or a number 8...it is always the same...from 0-9...back down to 0 to 9 and then again...like 30mhz is the same number...WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IF IT IS THE SAME NUMBER, IT IS A VORTEX. How in the world of evolution can the number 9 be the same for infinity? When the number 9 is just a virtual number that is man made?
QuoteI have not insulted TA but TA insults everyone hahahahhaha even you hahahhahahaha ......
You have insulted TA many many many times. TA was/is just giving his own personal ideas reagrding magnetism and he is being attacked left and right! By you and everyone else that cannot understand deeper meanings that for him are simple to understand. If he insults me, I don't give a fuck! I only care about the vortex of truth! So I believe that magnetism has a vortex as of sound as of light as of "the big bang" like the number 8.....when TA is talking about a vortex that makes the magnetism fuel itself....how the fuck do you think your HOLY sound theories fuel them selves? As if you are the god creator of sound? NO! Your number 9 believes are just that, a vortex because the number 9 will continue to be a number 9? I don't see much importance to your number 9 because you have to understand what creates a number 9? And for how long will a number 9 be? For infinity? Remember how there are animals that can't hear that have been living for billions/trillions of years? Like rocks? They don't have ears but have been here ever since they became rocks from space dust?
QuoteWhen you go for a walk do you walk backwards ? when you buy a product from a shop do you ask for the change first hahahahahhahaha stop it ! Your not mad your impatient ! Lazy minded but a very nice person ... What you need to do is challenge your self to learn something new each day . Stop being jealous of those with knowledge and just learn from them. Learn what a coulomb of electrons is and a volt ... Answer this question when you study it and don't give the wrong answer... So what is one coulomb of electrons at one volt?? The answer must not contain more than 1 number and one 4 letter word hahahah.............. If you refuse to learn this than you should not be here wasting peoples time. How much more time from me do you wish absorbed ? And answer the question without insult
When I go for a walk, I don't take my gun with me because I have walked that path at least 3 times.
When I buy a product I think about why I am buying a product. Meaning, I JUDGE BASED ON MY PAST. How do you know a movie is good? BASED ON YOUR OPINION OR FROM SOMEONE ELSE? Why do you like how some food tastes rather than the other? Garlic? How does it taste? Onion, how does it taste? Do you find it untasteful because you DECIDED they are untasteful or because someone told you they are not good tasting?
From all of the answers that you have given me, I am not impressed at all! BUT I want to learn from you anything that you have to teach! SO! What do you mean by...
"So what is one coulomb of electrons at one volt??"
What do you mean by this? Is this such an important number regarding OU? Or this has nothing to do regarding OU? Is this has to do regarding magnetism? Is this has to do with showing that magnetism is not a vortex? Or what? STILL, what happens to the coulomb of electrons in one volt? Get eaten? And then more electrons coulombs need to come in...for food? Volts eat electrons?
I am always amazed by nature...ALWAYS! What you are saying does NOT amaze me nor show anything amazing. BUT, there is a possibility that you have something very very very very eye opening to teach since we are ALWAYS evolving...show me your knowledge!!!!!!? Plus your son profitis wants to learn from you...DON'T disappoint your SON element93rd...he loves you?
I found this on Youtube and it was good for me.
Hidden Universe "2015 Mystery behind quantum theory and Albert Einstein".
I'm sorry I don't know how to do direct links.
Oh dad I just can't do any more today!
Yes Atom,I've heard about that experiment,it sounds exciting!
Today I've been trying to learn a bit about quantum,it's been such
a wet day that I've stayed indoors this afternoon.
I've been looking at Wheeler's delayed choice experiment but
I haven't "got it" yet,maybe tomorrow, who knows!
There was another gravity wave experiment going on somewhere
which involved lasers about four miles apart if I remember rightly,
I'll have a look for it.
QuoteJoel ... You were asked a simple question but you replied with a book of stupidity ! Get out of here son your an idiot ! A total plonker who is never going to learn anything ......... You were asked what is 1 coulomb of electrons + 1 volt and the answer is 1 WATT .....
Meh! Like if you give the answer, things are going to change. I can ask you the same questions I have asked many many smart people before.
1- how do you fix an air conditioning unit?
2- how do you repair a gasoline/diesel engine?
3- how to repair an LCD monitor?
4- how to repair any valve..be it a water valve at the hoover damn or a valve under your kitchen sink?
5- how to repair a refrigerator?
6- etc
7- etc
8- etc
So ! Coulomb of electrons plus 1 volt = 1 WATT. OK... how is that answer suppose to find solutions for this world? You think you are smart, but lets see your intelligence in how to fix A LOT OF THINGS...for one...how many times have been you been banned from here? AT least 3 times...I hope you don't get banned again! But just because you say that makes it seem like you have answers to a lot of knowledge? Lol You moron! You are nothing! You have not built nothing!
Quote1 WATT ................... And you wrote a thousands words of crap hahahahhah You are one of those people who can never learn from a book or another human because you cant stand the fact that they have truth in knowledge formed by hard work and study !
All of the truth is a 360 degree ball of truth you IDIOT! You have not truth since one person cannot make a 360 degree ball of knowledge...you dumb ass! You think that you have answers! GO AHEAD and show them! After ALL, you are here going again TA for some reason...why not make your own thread and show your 100% LIFE CHANGING FACTS? Are you stupid? I am showing that my thoughts are so I am more of a THEORETICAL person...you are not a theoretical person...show your findings? YOU HAVE NOTHING! What do you have? A way to build a UFO? While at the same time, you get banned from forums? What do you have that is important to understand? Or are you too stupid to make money from such things like inventors profiting from a refrigerator unit?
QuoteNow see how daft and stupid you are and laugh at it or the envy in you will open up a very dark hole permitting demons in that will fully take over your mind body and soul ......... This is a warning to you !
Ohhh you have control over the demons? Lol Shut the fuck up! You are no GOD. You are nothing but a stupid ass that thinks that all of the truth comes from sound and the number 9. EXPLAIN the 9 in air, water, touch, light? Show me in what type of house do you live you cocky guy?
Or tell me why you are in here teaching TA that he is wrong! GO AHEAD AND TELL ME WHY? To teach him for free that he is wrong right? And if you are here to teach TA that he is wrong, SHOW THE PROOF OF WHY HE IS WRONG. When you can't prove that, you are just here just thinking that you have answers when you don't!!! AND, if you are so smart, what are you doing in real life outside these forums to build a machine that make you feel like you are a person that just comes here to say NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE to everyone but yet, you don't show shyt? What sound machines do you have?
Element93rd, in real life FIXING scenarios I will kick your ass. Blah! Blah! Blah!
The mosquito is to most dangerous insect/animal in the whole world!
During rainy season, the car crashes DRASTICALLY increase---hmmm...let me think why that is.
Most people require transportation, so a good engine mechanic will always be needed! The smart ones, out of corruption, make good money and, of course, they make a living. Same with Air conditioning technicians. Computer repair technicians (not residential), hmmm let me think here...what else...lol
Anyways, POINT BLANK, what new innovation do you have to make a drastic change to this world? I will support it. Or even if your innovation betters any machinery or the thinking of the majority? SOOO!!! How is your thinking going to change the majority of peoples thinking (it has surely not changed mine yet) to benefit them either in their pockets or in their mind????
How is your thinking going to improve anything invented as of now?:
- in the CPU area
- in the gasoline/diesel engine area
- in the suspension of a car area
- in the engendering of an air conditioning unit
- in simple stuff like filters too...(you want me to show you what stuff have filters?)
- in the medical field? You think if minnie was a smoker for 40 years your grass juice will give him back his years? (just an example minnie..not saying that you were a smoker for 40 years...actually you sound like a good guy :) )...
WHAT CONTRIBUTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR EVOLUTION and WHEN YOU SHOW ME, I WILL ADMIT THAT I AM MORE STUPID THAN YOU ARE!!! But since you don't show anything, I am only going based on my past experiences.
Minnie, look at element93rd talking pixie dust when you just want help on your electric bills and man labor to put food on the table. But I REALLY do hope that element93rd gives you an answer to...I guess...well, I don't know what his motives are! But he sure sounds like a thinker hehehehe.
I on the other hand can fix all of your farm equipment! lol Those electrical hair clippers...those gasoline engines in the equipment...those heavy equipment with oil hoses...meh! I am the MVP for most people I get tired of them smooching on me!
There is NOTHING in your house that I CANNOT REPAIR! There is nothing in your farm THAT I CANNOT REPAIR! MEH! But ask element93rd to fix your broken items? I suck at making people laugh though 'cause I don't like joking around. I like to laugh at idiots though! :)
BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE...is there an easy and cheap way to fix them? Ask element93rd minnie, he sure has answers...lol..I will read what he has to answer when you ask him...I MEAN 'COMMON minnie...YOU HAVE SHIT LOAD OR REPAIRING TO DO in your farm and to keep things moving along smooth. Tell me you have nothing that needs repair right now? lol And from the things that need repairing, ask element93rd how to repair your tools/problems? lol lets be real! lol
Quote from: minnie on December 03, 2015, 09:44:47 AM
I found this on Youtube and it was good for me.
Hidden Universe "2015 Mystery behind quantum theory and Albert Einstein".
I'm sorry I don't know how to do direct links.
hi,
at the youtube page you are wanting to copy over to here, go to that youtube page and move the mouse pointer onto the address of the youtube webpage, right click the mouse, now move the pointer to Copy.
then after that you want to return to the page on ou.com you wanted to post the copy onto,
now press the right mouse button, and this time you are going to select Paste.
after that, look for the button that is labelled Donate. haha joking
all the best and thankyou for feeding cities.
Atom, Michio Kaku will go along with the harmonics idea.
I found a video something about Universe and free lunch.
Spaticles,another,higher harmonic!
QuoteTry this video link !
I have seen that before and many upon many others (looking at things from different angels). Actually that is not farfetched! The energy communicates with itself back and forth. The north pole of the earth is communicating with the south pole of the earth and also with the surrounding energy. Energy and electrons communicate with each other be it by 0 and 1 or another forms of communication..I don't disagree with this. Like I said, the MIND IS VERY POWERFUL...as so is the SEED SOME ONE ELSE IMPLANTS IN YOUR MIND. This is a reason why I strongly believe that all energy has "self awareness"...all the way down to the quantum level. I mean, at the speed of light, the photons have to know where they are going? AND ALSO THEY HAVE TO BE FOOD! The light does experience death and does have a mother and a father? And, I personally believe, that they want to live the longest.
I could write more about this but this is enough...and yes the narrator is David Sereda whom he believes in aliens too https://youtu.be/MiGsLA_sdmg he also has a theory about a clock of energy that goes faster than light. Can't find it because all of this is underground stuff...way under the mass media stuff. But it relates to a vortex of light...MAYBE JUST MAYBE...all photons gather their speed from going down a quantum black hole and then a new photon is born..but then the implications would suggest that there are particles that are greater than the speed of light? But now it has been "discovered" that neutrinos violate the speed of light. "In fact" someone has taken a fotograph of the sun with neutrinos from the opposite side of the earth (through the earth).
I understand all of that. I don't find it far fetched! BUT I am also grounded to the "at present time" stuff...like how mechanical stuff work. How the birds achieve flight. How the right brothers strggled to show the people how they had built a machine that could fly. I know about the evolution of the bullet...from the powder and cannon balls all the way down to a bullet. Essentially, a miniature cannon inside a barrel!
So what do we do now?
There is proof that ALIENS exists since we are aliens ourselves...looking an in inverted way...we are aliens in earth...humans is just a words. We are human aliens to the milky way...now if there are trillions of galaxies (or an unknown number) it is mathematically and energy fact that we cannot be the only living life in the universe.
SOOOO we can talk about this and that or the other and you may say that you are educating me and that you are smarter than me, BUT, at the end of the day, WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? Understanding these things alone will not change things = for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. But that is not correct! That is Vague...because if there is a greater opposite action to the positive reaction, the positive would be less...by the same token, if there is less opposite action to the positive reaction, the positive would be great! This is learning from FREEE energy! This is not learning from MONEY energy! 40Hrs a week energy! The laws are there....we are just slaves of the corrupt upper class!
We are down here debating this and that with one another while you don't speak about the corruption of money and earth by the guys that call the shots. WW 1 and 2 were started by them NOT by you bitching about it! The wars where started by corrupt people with money disagreeing with each other about property. IOW< a neighbor VS another neighbor trying to steal each others homes (FREEE property). YOU SEE MY INVERTED WAY OF THINKING?
THE HOLLY GRAIL IS TO OWN A BANK AND BECOME AT THE TOP WHERE COUNTRY RULERS LIVE! NOT! Just trying to bitch about it here in forums and make little objects to save you energy bills that come from huge generators. ::) WHILE AT THE SAME TIME KEEPING YOUR HUMBLENESS TO HELP THE WORLD!
^ yeah yeah yeah I will study the video some more but trush me, I am concrete set down on my believes.
BUT what kind of recipe where you giving to minnie about all of this grass juice and stuff? And then you mentioned something about becoming 10 years younger or something.
I can only focus on the person further when I can agree of the person. This is kind of like insurance....
Lets exchange knowledge? I'll teach you anything regarding how to fix anything in your house and you teach me things I don't know? Two atoms exchanging energy? :) Our attraction is because I have something you don't know and you have something I don't know. Deal? I will teach you everything I know and you teach me everything you know?
Quoteanything for everything hahahahhahaha thats not a good deal for me hahahahahahah No ! I am not interested in fixing things because if the go wrong than they are designed wrong ! Now designe something that can never go wrong ....
In what type of house do you live in that does not require MAINTENANCE/REPAIR? or new modern things? Your home does have a stove, refrigerator, water supply, electricity, an air conditioning unit, A roof, windows, ceiling fans, an LCD TV, surveillance cameras, a garage door, lawn mower, weed eater, a water boiler, etc...I can fix any of those....the house is the most important thing to keep maintained! You can't fix things that break in your house BECAUSE I have asked you how to repair those things and you don't have the answers. Do you drive a car? Do you know how to repair a car when it breaks too? Anything regarding a car is reparable... the most important things are the engine and transmission! Do you know how to repair them too?
QuoteTest 1 ......................................... Go forth and find all the S I UNITS bring them here and describe what they are and what they can do and why are they important ....... If you can not do this than its your brain that you need to fix. lol ahah
You need to teach me this stuff! I don't proclaim to know these stuff. ALSO!, you need to show how these stuff apply to real life scenarios! Better gasoline engine? Longer life for a human body? An Over Unity device? A solution for the next great 6th extinction? A way to get many hot females in bed? SHOW YOUR INTELLIGENCE! I will teach you why you get banned hear LOL! You have asked me about that before lol! HMMMM, you do know about google crome, fire fox, internet explorer, opera browser, and virtual cookies too? TEAch me and the rest of the people reading your teachings! LETS HEAR IT? Lets move forward and make a better world? Lets help all people? Get rid of poverty and corruption? Lets get in tough with aliens that want to help us? Lets get rid of the MONEY? Lets get rid of corrupt people!? Lets find answers for EVERYTHING? NOT! Just your own personal one angel answers but a 360 degree angle ANSWERS?
What I know you don't know, what you know I don't know...LETS exchange knowledge in peace! FREEE knowledge being exchanged!? You scared?
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 06, 2015, 04:39:46 PM
I live in a cave ! I have a stone wheel a pet bear to protect me and I don't have windows . hahahahha ! You have to teach your self or don't bother. Its not important nothing is so do nothing ! You cant save this world its doomed something to do with its population lab rats and money
Did you know that 9 out of every 10 people is psychotic 4 of them are possessed by demonic evil spirits and on average 3 million people have been murdered by an act of war over the pass 5000 years ! And right now a deadly virus that was frozen 25 million years ago is now killing hundreds of whales each month and its mutated into a super virus and is now on land.
You have no idea what hard work commitment and unity could bring if the selfish minds of humans were to finally understand why they are here .... If you do not love the Christ you love the devil and its as simple as that ! Very soon something very big is going to happen so big I may be the only one who will be left to observe heaven land on this hell hole and that I promise you will happen .......
and this is why some people just scare the hell out of me.
one must first be consumed by the concept of religion being more true than false.
heaven and hell only exist for those all consumed by such beliefs based on their theoretical offerings of data.
a non violent offering of attempts to present validation would be most appreciated for a change but is best rather not offered respectively on this website here
at the request of known overunity.com T.O.S.
Hey element93rd, I feel your pain = when you have many answers and people don't take you serious...so this is the chance for you to make yourself explain your theory. Tell us more about the 9?
But lets continue to debate for forum entertainment purposes...which you have a lot of shit to say! Lol...meh!
QuoteI live in a cave ! I have a stone wheel a pet bear to protect me and I don't have windows . hahahahha ! You have to teach your self or don't bother. Its not important nothing is so do nothing ! You cant save this world its doomed something to do with its population lab rats and money .. Avoid it if I were you and just find 7 mad woman and feed them chocolate donuts burgers chips cream buns tea and honey . Just keep feeding them and see what happens hahahahahahhahaha There was this ultra hot girl I grew up with but when she went to McDonalds she became addicted to food and just could not stop eating crap she weighs 50 stone now and looks like she is connected to a tyre inflation device hahahahah ....... And when she finally lets the gas out its stench is so bad its makes you want to vomit. She introduced me to her friend and asked for a 3 some hahahahah Man I was in trubble so I bought them 500 pizzas two cows 5 sheep and a tone of ice cream and they soon lost interest in me hahahahhahahaah ... Some other friends I had when I young all turned into drug addicts and alcoholics and some others became mean greed and evil bank managers. In china on every bank holiday they cut the heads of prisoners in a very large hall all at the same time than medics rush into the hall and collect all there fresh body parts. ISS Muslim terrorists line up Christian woman and children in the hundreds and burry them alive after they force them to watch there loved ones being beheaded and there bodies feed to pigs. Every day on average 100 children are raped and murdered by sick perverted men and some woman.
LOL, everything that you say to me is very very crap! But at the same time, your gibberish has a goal? It seems like you want to find peace in the world? I agree with you if you do!
BUT if you claim to know the "solution" to life, you have to understand STOP saying shyt like you bought them 500 pizzas? Because that right there show that you are looney in the brain! You could bouy those pizzas but that is STUPID! And ILLOGICAL!
QuoteDid you know that 9 out of every 10 people is psychotic 4 of them are possessed by demonic evil spirits and on average 3 million people have been murdered by an act of war over the pass 5000 years ! And right now a deadly virus that was frozen 25 million years ago is now killing hundreds of whales each month and its mutated into a super virus and is now on land.
Yessss, I know but lets organize things. Yawn!!!
How can we prove that 9 our of 10 people are psychotic?
How can we show who is possessed by daemons?
Yes, the murder numbers of humans due to war goes in the billions. And the kings back then use to have 40 wives not just one as it is accustomed today!
Yes! Quantum microbial particles are the fastest evolution particles in life...:|
QuoteThis planet is fucked son ............... It makes me fill sick to think I am part of all the above and every time I try to change this world I am meet with insult abuse envy hate fear madness greed evil stupidity arrogance manipulation lies disseat jealousy and they are all a bunch of pathetic lazy self thinkers rats pigs with stomachs that can never be filled ....You want to save this world get rid of humanity ASAP ! AND I THINK YOU WOULD BE VERY GOOD AT THAT PART HAHAHAHAH ...
THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO SHOW THE WORLD YOUR GENIUS MIND! Lets see it? If you can't show it, you are probably just a looney! Lol
SOLUTIONS!!!! After facts/proximity theories!
QuoteYou have no idea what hard work commitment and unity could bring if the selfish minds of humans were to finally understand why they are here .... If you do not love the Christ you love the devil and its as simple as that ! Very soon something very big is going to happen so big I may be the only one who will be left to observe heaven land on this hell hole and that I promise you will happen .......
And all you want to do is fix a fridge TV oven lawn mower ? wtf is wrong with you son ? lol
Blah blah blah blah blah...yawn! Show facts to make a change? WE are all seconds dead every time the clock tics...I am 4 seconds dead right now.....we are all dying and multiplying! Lets say you are running for president in this forum? How will you go about getting these people's votes? Instead of being a little bitch about it and crying, LETS SEE YOUR FINDINGS!? I have found MANY ways to repair every day stuff easy! For example, how to prevent obesity! Or understand the difference between ADHD/ADD and being a regular little child. THESE STUPID AS HUMANS ARE VERY STUPID! Since you don't seem to be in the corrupt side of thinking, then SHOW RESULTS!!!?
Show how to stop the killing of animals?
Show how to stop the extinction of animals?
Show how money will be in 30 years? Plus show why it even exists?
All of those deaths you mention happened due to evolutionary sexual corruption and money!!! It is easy to fix...IT ONLY TAKE CHANGING THE MENTALITY OF THE PEOPLE!
How do you change their mentality? ...with your #9?
Either you are a crazy guy or you have answers...which one is it? Are you a pussy?
We have much to discuss, you and I, Mr. Wheeler. I've found countless conceptual errors in your book that need to be rectified if you wish your hobby theory to be widely adopted.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 08, 2014, 05:00:43 AM
Longitudinal dielectricity is another matter. Which is why it is SUPERLUMINAL
Superposition and phase modification via wave interference isn't anything new, nor does it violate Einstein's SR nor causality:
http://www.eleceng.adelaide.edu.au/personal/dabbott/publications/PIE_withayachumnankul2010.pdf
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Garrett and McCumber [18] were the first to analytically estimate that a Gaussian pulse can travel in a linear anomalous dispersive medium at a group velocity (the velocity of the Gaussian's envelope) greater than c or even be negative, i.e., the transmitted peak exits the medium before the incident peak enters it. The pulse shape remains Gaussian with no distortion under the constraint that the pulse's spectral width resides within an anomalously
dispersive region and the propagation length is sufficiently short.
In general, the superluminality being considered does not violate causality or Einstein's special relativity. This is supported by the facts as follows: 1) the information constituting an emerging pulse is from the leading edge of an incident pulse, and the peaks of incident and emerging pulses are not causally related; 2) the energy of the emerging pulse, in the case of passive media, never exceeds the energy of the pulse at the same instant traveling in vacuum; and 3) as shown by Sommerfeld and Brillouin, the wave propagation speed is always limited to the precursor velocity or Sommerfeld's front velocity, which never exceeds the speed of light in vacuum. In fact, the mechanism behind superluminal propagation is connected with phase modification and superposition [19]. While propagating in an anomalously dispersive medium, the pulse experiences attenuation particularly at its tail, but its shape is still intact. This results in the pulse's peak apparently shifting forward in time and seemingly traveling faster than c. Even though the pulse suffers attenuation, calculations show that the concept of group velocity does not lose its meaning.
This can occur in dispersive media such as a plasma... without all the wave interference and superposition histrionics:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node100.html
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A plasma is very similar to a gaseous medium, except that the electrons are free: i.e., there is no restoring force due to nearby atomic nuclei. Hence, we can obtain an expression for the dielectric constant of a plasma from Eq. (1149).
We can immediately see that formula (1150) is problematic. For frequencies above the plasma frequency, the dielectric constant of a plasma is less than unity. Hence, the refractive index is also less than unity. This would seem to imply that high frequency electromagnetic waves can propagate through a plasma with a velocity which is greater than the velocity of light in a vacuum. Does this violate the principles of relativity? On the other hand, for frequencies below the plasma frequency, the dielectric constant is negative, which would seem to imply that the refractive index is imaginary.
It follows from Eq. (1150) that in a plasma, the above type of expression, which effectively determines the wave frequency as a function of the wave-number for the medium in question, is called a dispersion relation (since, amongst other things, it determines how fast wave-pulses disperse in the medium). According to the above dispersion relation, the phase velocity of high frequency waves propagating through a plasma is indeed greater than c. However, the theory of relativity does not forbid this. What the theory of relativity says is that information cannot travel at a velocity greater than c. And the peaks and troughs of an infinite plane-wave, such as (1152), do not carry any information.
You'll note that the ability of high frequency electromagnetic waves (of which the QVZPE field is comprised, right up to the Planck frequency) being able to travel faster than c if they're above the plasma frequency is likely the reason the QVZPE field radiation pressure (which is increasing as additional mass in the universe is converted into energy by stars, then entropies and becomes part of the QVZPE field, and thus that increasing field radiation pressure must either cause universal expansion, or result in concretization of matter from the QVZPE field to relieve that QVZPE field radiation pressure) is causing the universe to expand at faster than the speed of light.
Faraday, JJ Thomson and Maxwell were looking at the speed of light in dielectrics such as glass, had postulated that the speed of light in a dielectric such as glass and the speed of electricity in a wire were the same, postulated that "We can scarcely avoid the conclusion that light consists in the transverse undulations of the same medium which is the cause of electric and magnetic phenomena.", further postulated that light was a disturbance wave in the aether, and therefore that the aether was a dielectric... which we now know to be false. The QVZPE field is paramagnetic in nature when considered in simplex (note the correct geometric topological usage, as opposed to Wheeler's attempt to redefine it to mean something akin to "simple for me to understand but not for you because you're too simple")... a plasma, a magnetohydrodynamic fluid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_electromagnetic_theory
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Maxwell extended this view of displacement currents in dielectrics to the ether of free space.
Oliver Heaviside was a self-taught scholar who reformulated Maxwell's field equations in terms of electric and magnetic forces and energy flux, and independently co-formulated vector analysis. His series of articles continued the work entitled "Electromagnetic Induction and its Propagation", commenced in The Electrician in 1885 to nearly 1887 (ed., the latter part of the work dealing with the propagation of electromagnetic waves along wires through the dielectric surrounding them)...
Magnets are not dielectric, nor does the Bloch Wall throw off "inertial dielectricity" (given that you've redefined inertia to mean "the opposite of rest" per your book, and you've redefined "dielectricity" to mean "static electricity"). If it did, then it would be a simple matter to capture this "static electricity in motion" and put it to good use powering electrical equipment. No, magnets are ferromagnetic (a scientifically descriptive term encompassing an explanation, if you care to actually research it).
The Bloch Wall is merely where the two predominant magnetic domain directions in a magnet meet and cancel. It does not "power the magnet". The magnetic domains in the Bloch Wall region are "canted" from these two predominant magnetic domain directions, thus emitting / absorbing Larmor radiation mediated via virtual photons, the same as what is happening at the pole faces, but with no net magnetic moment, which is why the Bloch Wall region doesn't attract unmagnetized ferromagnetic material... just as unmagnetized iron doesn't attract unmagnetized ferromagnetic material, so too the same with the Bloch Wall region... the magnetic domains are essentially randomized in that region, thus giving no coherent magnetic moment, and thus considered to be "unmagnetized".
The reason one can cut a magnet and see the Bloch Wall "move" is because our relatively weak magnetic material cannot withstand the internal magnetic stresses, thus some of the magnetic domains unpin and flip to minimize the internal energy of the magnet. It does not do this "faster than the speed of light" as you contend... one of the people whom you keep touting as supportive of your theories also happens to be the one who mathematically derived the speed at which magnetism propagates (called the magnetic diffusion rate)... Maxwell himself. And it's not faster than the speed of light... it's dependent upon the resistivity of the material the magnetic flux is traveling through. In a perfect vacuum (no matter, no QVZPE field), the magnetic diffusion rate would be equal to the speed of light in that perfect vacuum. In a normal vacuum (no matter, but with the QVZPE field), it would again be equal to the speed of light in that normal vacuum. In any other material, it depends upon that material's resistivity. So on this contention of yours, you're just wrong. You're stating that the Bloch Wall can move faster than the magnetism that forces the Bloch Wall to the midline of the magnet in the first place. Which, by extension, destroys the majority of your theory.
Cutting a magnet causes some of the magnetic domains to unpin and flip to again minimize the internal energy of the magnet, which moves the Bloch Wall, at the magnetic diffusion rate for that magnetic material.
The relative weakness of our magnetic materials is also why there are opposing magnetic domains interspersed throughout the magnet.... which is why one can cut a magnet and still have the two poles in each piece. In effect, we have
two opposing magnets within each magnet, which accounts for the two vortexes on each pole face. The centripetal of one face and the centrifugal of the opposing face constitutes one such of these "internal magnets", and the centripetal of the other face and its opposing centrifugal constitutes the other.
As for attraction and repulsion? It has to do with the virtual photon flux stressing the QVZPE field and thus space-time (expanding or contracting it). The centrifugal interface on either pole face increases QVZPE field density, expanding space-time and creating a "hill" which tends to push objects apart. The centripetal decreases QVZPE field density, contracting space-time and creating a "valley" which tends to pull objects together. Along with this, stored energy in that magnetic field always seeks its lowest energy state, just as the magnet does internally, which accounts for opposite poles attracting and like poles repelling. Thus, like-pole to like-pole increases QVZPE field density, expanding space-time and creating a "hill" which tends to push two magnets apart, whereas opposite-pole to opposite-pole decreases QVZPE field density, contracting space-time and creating a "valley" which tends to pull two magnets together.
Empirical evidence for the above is the various replications of the Bushman magnet drop experiment, showing differing fall times for differently configured magnetic arrays. When space-time is expanded, time slows down, slowing the fall speed... when space-time is contracted, time speeds up, increasing the fall speed as compared to an unmagnetized control object of same size and weight. It's also been found that the same effect can be found in a Casimir cavity, and within magnets themselves... but we'll cover time imparity in magnets allowing a simultaneous (from our frame of reference) energy deficit and overabundance in the magnet (the underlying reason why a magnet is a magnet) at a later date. You have much ground to cover in learning the basics before we dive into such heady material as time imparity, folded strange attractors, the Cauchy-Lipschitz theorem, the Poincare-Bendixson theorem, perfect magnets, Attractive and Repulsive interfaces, etc.
The electrons in a magnet are not "static electricity" (which you've redefined to "dielectricity"), they are bound point charges. A magnet works because electrons in orbit about their nucleus emit Larmor radiation in the form of virtual photons (a component of the QVZPE field) in trying to reach their 1s orbit, and once at their 1s orbit, the amount of Larmor radiation they emit is exactly balanced by the amount of energy they receive from in-phase QVZPE field modes, as Boyer proved way back in 1975, and which has been reiterated by the likes of Puthoff, Ibison, Haisch, Moddel, etc. It is that Larmor radiation that we perceive as a magnetic flux external to the magnet.
In addition, because electrons reject QVZPE field modes longer than the Compton radius (as all matter rejects QVZPE field modes longer than their radius... remember, the electron is/has mass, it has a rest mass of 9.11e
−31 kilograms, or 0.5106 MeV), the electrons residing in a magnet all rejecting out-of-phase QVZPE field modes in the bulk of the magnet thus acts analogous to a Casimir cavity, with the end result being that it damps electron precession (ie: makes the electron orbit less chaotic), allowing that Larmor radiation emitted to be more coherent. Please note the proper usage of the word "precession", not your incorrect redefinition per your book to mean "rotation".
Are you not aware of the underlying reason for the quantum states of electron orbit, and thus quantum mechanics itself? It's not really confusing... electron orbit must have an integer number of De Broglie waves in its orbit in order to not set up an unstable destructive interference of the orbit. Thus, when an electron receives enough energy from the QVZPE field (the only place it can receive energy) to add at least one additional full De Broglie wave to its orbit, it does so, jumping outward in orbit. This is also the reason the higher orbits are successively closer together... adding one section of 1 foot long to a 1 foot diameter circle increases its diameter proportionally more than adding that same 1 foot section to a 5 foot diameter circle. for a quick analogy.
What keeps the electronegative electron from "crashing into" the electropositive proton of the nucleus (or put another way, what keeps the electron from going below its 1s orbit)? It's the in-phase QVZPE received by the electron. The QVZPE field underpins the stability of all matter.
Now, before you start chest-beating and claiming that electrons don't exist... there are now two research facilities that have photographed them... one was able to capture both the wave
and particle nature of the electron in the same photograph. Of course, the "wave" part of the electron is merely due to it being so small and light that it's constantly interfered with by QVZPE field modes impinging upon it... so when we see the electron as a "wave", what we're really seeing is the anisotropy of the QVZPE field itself... remember what I'd said above about electrons rejecting out-of-phase QVZPE field modes (analogous to a Casimir cavity, except the electrons are acting as their own Casimir cavity by dint of their being crammed together into the magnetic material and orbiting in approximately the same directions), thus damping electron precession which contributes to magnetic flux coherency at the pole face. Performing the double-slit experiment by firing electrons through a well-shielded Casimir cavity to damp the interfering QVZPE field wave modes should provide insight into this phenomenon and finally settle the wave-particle duality issue.
Now, before you start foot-stomping, haranguing, spitting profanities and making desperate logical fallacy appeals to authority by dint of your multilingual capabilities, your ability to translate languages, your patents, your 20 years of studying magnets, your having filled page after page with fallacious reasoning and calling it a book, etc., all of which have failed countless times in the past, I'll cut to the chase for you, and define a field:
You say in your book "Magnets do not generate attraction and repulsion by throwing particle showers collectively called 'field' at each other as proposed by QM.".
Ok, so you're reifying an abstract construct (what the QM crowd call "particles" since they don't have any other word for it) that's used to explain the mathematically descriptive noun (and abstract construct) called "field"... a "field" merely being an abstract construct to mathematically quantify force over distance and time, and measure, predict and extrapolate or interpolate how that force over distance and time will react (or has reacted, or is reacting) at any given time for any given set of inputs)... but then, we're now able to observe magnetricity:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17983-magnetricity-observed-for-first-time.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17983-magnetricity-observed-for-first-time.html)
"Individual magnetic 'charges' - equivalent to the north and south poles of a magnet - have been observed inside a crystalline material called spin ice"
That's the Larmor radiation virtual photon flux they photographed above, Ken... so we've got pictures now of electrons and virtual photons, in addition to Chalmers University concretizing virtual photons directly from the QVZPE field in 2011 using Dynamical Casimir Effect... powerful corroborations of QM, to be sure.
So it would appear that magnets do indeed throw "particles" (the abstract construct, not a literal denotation of a physical object), which create the abstractly described "field" (which is a mathematically quantifiable descriptive noun that allows us to quantify forces over distance and time and predict and extrapolate or interpolate how those forces react) to generate "attraction and repulsion" (another abstract construct to quantify the effects of that force over distance and time).
So rather than accept that we're merely using words as abstracts to describe what we're seeing, you've turned all of physics on its head and now say all fields are non-spatial and non-localized phenomenological modulations of the "aether"... but you forget that a field, in being a descriptive and mathematically quantifiable abstract construct used to quantify, predict and extrapolate or interpolate the force we're measuring over time and space, must have points of measurement... a gradient that we record... ie: it must be localized and spatialized in order to quantify it. You say a "field" has no points, and "whose locus is simultaneously everywhere and nowhere"!
I guess I'll just point my little 500 gauss bar magnet at planet KOI 1843.03, wait for it to be attracted to Earth, then sell the whole planet for its 70% iron content... because that little bar magnet's field is non-spatial and non-localized... it goes on forever in the aether.
I also guess you've never held a gaussmeter one inch from a magnet, then two inches from it, then three inches from it to measure its field strength at various distances... that'd be localizing and spatializing the field strength of that magnet into a set of points known as a "field".
Funny thing about "fields"... being the descriptive and mathematically quantifiable abstract constructs that they are, used to quantify, predict and extrapolate or interpolate the force being observed... that set of points called a "field" that describes that force can subsequently be used on identical objects without having to bother to measure each identical object (that's kind of the point of creating these abstract constructs called "fields", after all... it allows us to take a set of measurements of one object emanating a force, and apply it to identical objects, or extrapolate / interpolate those measurements to take into account non-identical objects using mathematical algorithms that are derived empirically). And that's all a "field" is, at least to those who don't confuse the force being observed with the field describing that force.
Plenty more to go yet, Ken. Don't go running away now... despite the proofs I'll be presenting that your theory does not and cannot represent reality causing you psychological torment and, I'm sure, more than a little cognitive dissonance, especially considering your 20 wasted years of study and your long hours spent filling page after page with what amounts to incoherent babbling, you need to reconcile yourself to reality.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 17, 2014, 11:39:38 PM
the HUGE equation for that is in CP Steinmetz's work, and believe it or NOT, nobody has EVER performed the experiment to test it.
Except those hundreds of papers on the subject in arxiv. Or didn't you know that magnetics plays a huge role in, for instance, computers... and knowing how fast magnetism propagates, how fast magnetic domain walls propagate and how to stop domain unpinning is essential to improving, for instance, hard drive performance?
Actually, Maxwell mathematically derived the speed at which magnetism propagates, called the magnetic diffusion rate. And it's not faster than the speed of light, as you claim via claiming that cutting a magnet will recenter the Bloch Wall (which you've redefined to "inertial dielectric plane" (further redefining "inertia" to be "the opposite of rest" and "dielectric" to mean "static electricity") at faster than the speed of light.
The magnetic diffusion rate depends upon the resistivity of the material the magnetic flux is traveling through, and under no circumstances does it exceed c. Your red-faced embarrassment over your bragging about a deep knowledge of Maxwell and further enlisting him as supportive of your theories, without your having known this elementary fact about magnets, must eat at you... and we'll know it does by your footstomping ad hominem-filled textwall reply of little substance, referring back to your own fallacious conclusions as though you were in your own little echo chamber, rather than providing mathematical proofs of such veracity they could be accepted for publication... because we all know you don't have that.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 17, 2014, 11:39:38 PM
There is a long standing "what the fuck??" about that fact among some folks.
There is a space-time paradox in measuring magnetic field , as Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko writes about in EXHAUSTIVE LONG LONG DETAILS WITH NEW EQUATIONS.
Your misuse of the word "paradox" is noted. It's not a paradox, the phenomenon is completely expected under QM... perhaps to those who follow your one-particle rip-off bastardization of Circlon Theory (which can be proven by comparing the text in your book comparing a nuclear explosion to the unwinding of clock springs to the identical text of Circlon Theory... to wit):
Your book: The uranium, plutonium, or tritium are still within the mushroom cloud.
Circlon Theory: All of the protons, electrons, and neutrons making up the uranium, plutonium, or tritium are still within the mushroom cloud.
along with your hodgepodge of other patchwork theories pasted together with flopsweat and bombastic spittle-flecks, it's a paradox because you're hobby theory isn't fully-fleshed enough to suss the true temporal nature of magnets.
But your book denies warped space (and hence, given that space and time are conjugate in 4D Minkowski space, time variability), thus according to the book
you wrote, there can be no "space-time 'paradox'". Did Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko just destroy yet another section of your theory? Why yes, yes he did, and by your own admission, no less.
Why, you've demonstrated right here on this forum that you lack the fundamental understanding as to
why there is space-time variability at the Attractive and Repulsive interfaces of a magnet (indeed, you failed to even acknowledge that there
are Attractive and Repulsive interfaces, despite the evidence staring you right in the face). Your book goes further into your fallacious reasoning by describing a sort of "helical gear" magnetic attraction and repulsion model, which is a nice analogy that allows beginners to conceptualize it, but doesn't actually accurately describe or explain what is happening and why. To do that, you'd have to fall back on the descriptions and explanations that QM have already put forth, which they mathematically modeled and predicted years ago, and now are able to actually empirically observe.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 17, 2014, 11:39:38 PM
The reason for that, is that magnetism is a Poincare' disk extrapolation of a charge in discharge with a resultant spatial vector but no point of temporal CAUSATIVE measurement.
Your word salad analogy stands in direct contrast to reality, Mr. Wheeler. You're yet again restating in different words that magnetism can travel faster than the speed of light because there is no temporal causitive measurement to that spatial vector... see above as regards the refutation by Maxwell.
Remember, Mr. Wheeler, before you start foot-stomping and ticking off your "accomplishments" to try to establish yourself as more of an expert than I via the logical fallacy of appealing to authority (while trying desperately to establish yourself as that very authority), that you're not contesting what I say, so my qualifications and background matter little... you're contesting reality. And in so contesting reality, the burden of proof is upon you... and while you've provided videos showing interesting observations (most of which were found by others long before you, several of which you've subsequently claimed as your own... the Michael Snyder hyoptrochoidal discovery being one such example years before you claimed it as your own; the quadrapolar (and quadravortexual) nature of magnets as discovered by Howard Johnson literally decades before you claimed the discovery as your own, as another example; the discovery by Louis Pasteur in 1872, and Krylov and Tarakonova in 1960 reporting on the effects of magnetic fields on plants (they called this effect magnetotropism), and the patent by Albert R. Davis in 1977 for a magnetizer for seeds being a particularly egregious example of your claiming credit for something long known about), you've not provided any framework (mathematical or otherwise) upon which those observations can be hung, unlike QM, which has, in spades.
What was it Dr. Jennings said about "intellectual vampires of discovery and invention"?
I don't have to convince you of anything, however, I must merely refute you. In this case, I used those you tout as supportive of your theory (including yourself, if you didn't notice) to refute you. There are about a thousand other refutations of your fallacious theory in the offing.
I will note I don't dispute your observations, I dispute the false conclusions you've been deriving from those observations.
Quote from: MileHigh on August 18, 2014, 04:06:32 AM
Here is an example of Kenny's brilliance:
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Is the untouched powerful magnet just 'sitting there' generating heat? YES
the spatial magnetic reciprocation is responsible for the 2 -2.5 (average) degree diff. in the heat.
Radiation, discharge, heat. Same as your stove top, discharge the charge.
However nobody is going to COOK anything with 2 or 3 degrees of heat.
Any circulatory radiative discharge necessitates HEAT, including the very iron in the magnet and its other constituents
What Kenny is saying above that a bloody magnet just sitting there is a source of thermal power. (That's what "generating heat" means Bozo.)
That's it, Kenny has found the source of free energy that we have all been looking for - NOT.
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However nobody is going to COOK anything with 2 or 3 degrees of heat.
Are you sure about that?
We just have to connect copper pipes conducting water between a long chain of successive magnets. Water will flow through the pipes and pick up the heat generated by each magnet. Each magnet in the chain will be thermally isolated from every other magnet. Therefore each magnet in the chain will operate at a slightly elevated temperature compared to the previous magnet in the chain. There will always be a small delta-t between the water in the copper pipes and each magnet in the chain such that the water is always picking up some heat from each magnet. The Curie temperature for a neo magnet is way above the boiling point of water so with a long enough chain of magnets you will be able to produce super heated steam at the end of the chain. World saved!
Or perhaps hapless magnet rag doll clown Kenny was totally ignorant and had no clue that saying, "Is the untouched powerful magnet just 'sitting there' generating heat? YES" actually implied that a magnet just sitting there minding it's own business was producing thermal power from nowhere. Perhaps Kenny measured a different temperature of the magnet relative to the surroundings and mistakenly assumed that the hotter magnet automatically implied that it was producing thermal power. (Sounds like some Google searching might fix that.)
Another hapless Roseanne Roseannadanna moment for poor Kenny the Rag Doll Clown stuck on that fridge door.
The truth about Kenny is plain for all to see.
My goodness sake, has Mr. Wheeler discovered frustrated magnets?!
http://www.cmth.bnl.gov/workshop/FrustratedMagnetism04/Talks/AChernyshev/poster_1D_heat.pdf
No, no... that just pertains to anomalous heat transport through a magnet, not heat generation... and is completely explainable using QM.
What Mr. Wheeler has discovered is brow-beaded frustration in being utterly unable to properly experiment and isolate variables, as well as explain what he observes, which leads to hilarious examples of fallacious reasoning... several of which have culminated in a book. Him being a photographer, you'd think his experience in the visible with cameras would have given him a clue in the infrared with FLIR, but no... no.
Oh, and he was
so close, too. Unfortunately for Mr. Wheeler, his denial of the underlying precepts of QM precludes him finding that "free energy" solution which his video above purports to have found. And the solution is so simple... why, it's been staring him in the face the whole time he's been denying it.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 18, 2014, 05:07:33 AM
I NEVER talk about free energy ASSHOLE, nor is a 2.5 to 3 degree shift free energy to harvest.
Strawman fallacy boy
Find one spot where I associate anything with free energy son. You cannot. Pathetic.
Nice try though son. Idiot. ;D ;D ;D
You're as useless as bull tits and the Popes balls. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0CB9GVjLH8
NEVER SEEN before: Power output & *NO INPUT*. Using HUGE Neodymium & Halbach Array
"Why would anybody be so interested in an LED being lit? Because there's no power input!"
Another example of Mr. Wheeler's inability to properly experiment and isolate variables... why, I'd bet if he just sat the device there in whatever position he deems to be "correct" without jiggling it, that LED would go out. Anyone notice that when it's perfectly still, the light goes out?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 18, 2014, 07:06:29 AM
Particles ULTIMATELY do not exist, they're 'stable' dielectric formations
Dielectricity in galactic and intense power stellar formations congregates into fundamental particle creation.
There is only ONE fundamental particle, which you call the neutron, all "free neutrons" spin up and become protons within , what is it, 17 mins in "free space". then...... i.e. Hydrogen.
beta decay, inverse beta decay
protons can become neutrons , and vice versa.
protons are magnetically dominant, neutrons are dielectrically dominant.
Are you referring to electron capture decay when referring to the ambiguous term "inverse beta decay"? Or were you not aware that a beta particle is a high-energy electron?
I've done an analysis of all the elements in the Periodic Table, correlating their proton:neutron ratio to their Molar Magnetic Susceptibility and magnetic properties, and there is
no correlation... odd then, that an element's magnetic properties can be
predicted merely by knowing how its valence shells are filled, eh?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 18, 2014, 07:06:29 AM
Particle radiation (He nucleus) is not up for debate, obviously. WHAT the particles themselves ARE ultimately .......IS
matter is created in galactic and stellar formations.
See images of galactic jets.
thats new matter being shot out both "ends"
So wrong that wrong is the wrong word to describe how wrong you are, Mr. Wheeler. Your shallow understanding of nuclear processes leads to more of your fallacious reasoning, hence your adoption of and bastardization of Circlon Theory's "neutron as proton and electron 'egg'" theory, sans the electron.
From your book, the same as you've said above:
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"There is only one particle in the universe, the mass-particle, with two modal attributes of existence. QM explanation of neutron to proton conversion is a pathetic farce, is nonsensical in the extreme. There is "beta decay", there are no electrons. The universe is divinely simple in its makeup."
Never mind that beta decay wouldn't take place if electrons didn't exist, as, for example, free neutron beta decay doesn't just result in a proton, it also results in an electron (beta particle), and electron anti-neutrino, and in rare cases a gamma ray.
So your saying "There is 'beta decay'", then turning around and saying "there are no electrons" (in the same sentence, no less) is nonsensical, given than a beta particle is a high energy electron. Unless you're talking about the other beta particle, the positron, which wouldn't make it beta decay according to the literal definition.
Of course, your also saying there are no photons rules out gamma radiation. So Fukushima and Chernobyl are now rendered safe. ::)
Given that gamma rays are merely hard x-rays (the main distinction between gamma and x-ray being its source (which is unknown sometimes), secondarily its energy, but the ranges overlap), that leaves out most of the radiation in outer space, and ruling out photons means no x-ray machines, no microwave ovens, no photovoltaics, etc... but I'm betting you didn't realize that the names "gamma ray", "x-ray", "microwaves" and "photon" are merely abstracts used as descriptive terms to describe various frequency ranges and energy levels of radiation, just as "beta particle" is an abstract to denote a "high-energy electron", which is an abstract to describe a certain type of electrical charge.
You appear to be utterly unable to reconcile yourself to the fact that words are shorthand abstracts used to describe sometimes complicated objects or concepts, so you redefine everything and use complicated long-hand descriptions.
And apparently this "mass-particle" can change its mass from 1.672621777e
−27 kg (rest mass of a proton) to 1.674927351e
−27 kg (mass of a neutron) and back magically and without any explanation from you, Mr. Wheeler. So things don't actually weigh what they weigh because they can magically change weight, apparently as these "mass-particles" are spontaneously and without external input switching between "proton-form" and "neutron-form". ???
Likewise, this "mass-particle" can change its size, from 10e
−14 meters to 10e
−10 meters (that's a change in size of about 10,000 times, BTW) and back, for some strange reason. So if you go outside to your "four-wheeled means of locomotion utilizing internal combustion reciprocally con axially mediated to the wheels in a circularly rotating modality causing spatial distention internally and externally therewith" (Wheeler's likely definition, what we would call a car) and find it at 1:10,000 scale, at least you'll know why. :D
I'd love to see your explanation for the para- and ortho- forms of hydrogen based upon your "mass-particle" concept, especially as regards their burn rate and energy content.
Also... your take on astrophysical jets creating new matter at the origin of the jets is incorrect. The existing matter is being sucked in at the accretion disc, some of it has enough velocity to escape and because that matter has accumulated on the accretion disc and is spiraling, it's expelled in a vortex on either side perpendicular to the accretion disc. It's simply geometry, so one would think you would understand it, having studied geometry as you claim to have done, but apparently you don't understand it at all.
It takes the energetic conditions of a star to transmute elements higher up the Period Table than iron into heavier elements, and the extraordinarily energetic conditions of an exploding supernova to transmute iron into heavier elements (iron being the most atomically stable element, which is why fusion works with lighter elements, and fission works with heavier elements, but the closer you get to iron from either end, the less energy you can get out of the reactions), do you honestly think matter is being
created in less energetic conditions?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 19, 2014, 02:13:44 AM
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Well looking at that pic I'd say that adds to your theory.
Those that have actually read Einstein's theory of relativity
Except Einstein blames everything on the flies (SPACE) buzzing around the horse poop (spatial / mass/ magnitude) ,......and he leaves out the HORSE (dielectricity/ Ether) .
He committed the Platonic sin of inverse fallacy of reification.
Other than that, agreed. ;D
So you agree that a geometric atmospheric flow phenomenon that was replicated in the lab sans magnetism somehow substantiates your magnetic theory, Mr. Wheeler? Are you entirely certain of that? Or are you committing the Platonic sin and fallacy of reification?
http://www.space.com/30608-mysterious-saturn-hexagon-explained.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn%27s_hexagon
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Explanation[edit]
One hypothesis, developed at Oxford University, is that the hexagon forms where there is a steep latitudinal gradient in the speed of the atmospheric winds in Saturn's atmosphere.[14] Similar regular shapes were created in the laboratory when a circular tank of liquid was rotated at different speeds at its centre and periphery. The most common shape was six sided, but shapes from three to eight sided were also produced. The shapes form in an area of turbulent flow between the two different rotating fluid bodies with dissimilar speeds.[14][15] A number of stable vortices of similar size form on the slower (south) side of the fluid boundary and these interact with each other to space themselves out evenly around the perimeter. The presence of the vortices influences the boundary to move northward where each is present and this gives rise to the polygon effect.[15]
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 18, 2014, 05:07:33 AM
I NEVER talk about free energy ASSHOLE, nor is a 2.5 to 3 degree shift free energy to harvest.
Strawman fallacy boy
Find one spot where I associate anything with free energy son. You cannot. Pathetic.
Nice try though son. Idiot. ;D ;D ;D
You're as useless as bull tits and the Popes balls. ;)
What are you talking about in this thread then:
http://overunity.com/15311/zero-input-10-degrees-thermal-output-yes-genuine-free-energy/
"Yes, genuine Free Energy".... did you forget, or did you change your "NEVER talk about Free Energy ASSHOLE" policy after you made that first quote..... after you discovered "Genuine Free Energy" from your Bismuth Sphere?
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 09, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
CycleGuy wow nice detail ....... But electrons don't orbit they quantum jump !
I'm unsure what you mean. Can you elaborate a bit? I know what a quantum jump is, but that refers to the electron changing orbits, it doesn't describe the orbit itself. Can you provide more detail about this?
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 09, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
And you wont get a meaningful debate with TA
He has no choice. He'll address the points put forth, he'll do so without invective, he'll do so using empirical examples and proper citation, he'll toe the line and stay on topic, and he will admit his lack of understanding when such is apparent, so others can bring him up to speed with reality. To do anything less stands as his tacit admission that his hobby theory has failed the acid test, which will be his admission that he's spent the last 20 years doing what amounts to standing on the street corner screaming incoherently.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 09, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
he is just another nut job with his own made up laws and has never confirmed not one magnetic vortex!
I don't dispute that there's a magnetic vortex, but he's looking at it from the wrong frame of reference... you'll note that I'm sly enough to have provided the means by which he could suss out the truth, in this very sentence. We shall see in time if he's quick-witted enough to figure it out.
What's really pathetic about Mr. Wheeler's claims is that others did the same experiments and observed the same effects long before him...
MagnetFlipper did the "magnet against a TV" thing before Mr. Wheeler claimed that he was the first one to do it (remember "You'll never see anything like this anywhere else, folks. I am the first to demonstrate this").
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A)
Al (MagnetFlipper) had the decency to credit Howard Johnson, whereas Wheeler has attempted to further claim that he originated the discovery of the quadravortexual nature of magnets. If he were drawing correct conclusions from his observations, perhaps he'd get a pass for staking "discoverer" status, but on top of his stealing credit for things others have done before him, he gets it hilariously wrong.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 09, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
Keeping it simple is the key here ! The man has written a book and that book is dangerous to the minds that seek truth and will always be out there pumping its bullshit for a few bucks ... Nothing you can do .
All this nonsense of a static charge on a magnet hahahahhahaha wow !
Not just a static charge... "inertial dielectricity", with "inertia" redefined by Mr. Wheeler to mean "the opposite of rest" per his book, and "dielectricity" redefined to mean "static electricity"... now, if static electricity is in motion, it's not static, it's electricity. So plug your coffee pot into your magnet and brew yourself a cup in celebration, Mr. Wheeler has given the world free energy!
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 09, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
But there is a reason why there is NORTH and SOUTH ON A MAGNET ... One pole is made by the negative the other by the positive and its stuck in perfect balance so it is neutral . If it is neutral and also inert it would be impossible to have this so called active dielectric as there are no polarised charged particles.
Not exactly "neutral and inert". It is balanced, from the viewpoint of energy flow from our frame of reference. But think about how magnets stress the QVZPE field density, and the resultant effect upon space and thus time (given that space and time are conjugate, inextricably intertwined, in the four-dimensional manifold). Think further on how a magnet is made, and how that sets up those conditions to begin with.
Perhaps Mr. Wheeler should go back to the basics:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_spacetime (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_spacetime)
Does that image on that page look familiar, Mr. Wheeler?
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 09, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
But the spin is kinetic and the magnetic field is not a vortex that drives it !
The vortexual spin isn't observable until it is counter-mediated, true. But then, one would be hard put to find a spot in the universe where it would not be.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 09, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
I went looking for an example inside a vacuum and could not find anything ?
Neat trick, seeing that time-shifted vortexual spin in the aether... how do you do it? I have a theory of how it can be done, which I've hinted at in a prior post regarding the double-slit experiment, but I lack the equipment and resources to conduct such.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 09, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
Any way it works well in water ! TA has made a complete new science on this dumb effect hahahahhahahahhaha wow what a nutter hahahhahahaha he really thought he was answering a question of uncertainty and used it to form hes nut case new law of physics hahahahahhahahahah its a joke hahahahahahhahaha ..... Treat it like one ! Don't get to up set the world is full of madness freaks lies and disseat . And the nutters never agree to see sense !
At last the end of the magnetic vortex hahahaha best stick to a black hole ! But the spinning magnet on the crystal lens is still to be fully understood ! Do you have a good model of why it does what it does ?
Most people are stuck in the here and now. In order to fully suss the nature of magnetism, one must be able to think in terms of warped time (and thus, space, given space and time's conjugative nature). Unfortunately for Mr. Wheeler, the book he wrote denies warped space (calling it the product of a warped mind... strange, then, that he was just discussing that in a post above, eh?), so he fails to figure out the non-simplex (note the correct Euclidean geometric spatial usage, as opposed to Wheeler's redefinition to mean something akin to "simple for me to understand but not for you because you're too simple") nature of magnets despite the evidence continuing to smack him across the face time and again.
Cycle,great to see someone showing a bit of real interest in this.
Can one actually get a true representation of magnetic lines using
light and say ferrous nano particle in a medium? Like in quantum
where if you look a something it alters its energy or position.
Would a magnetic vortex or whatever it's supposed to be,be
demonstrable by using the Earth's magnetic field using a compass
or similar.
Quote from: minnie on December 09, 2015, 02:00:46 PM
Cycle,great to see someone showing a bit of real interest in this.
Can one actually get a true representation of magnetic lines using
light and say ferrous nano particle in a medium? Like in quantum
where if you look a something it alters its energy or position.
Would a magnetic vortex or whatever it's supposed to be,be
demonstrable by using the Earth's magnetic field using a compass
or similar.
Not really. The universe doesn't just drop her robe for all to see.
Because of the effect of the magnetic field stressing the QVZPE field density (and thus affecting space-time in a local frame of perspective), the vortexes are not in our "time frame".
On top of that, because a magnet is quadravortexual in nature (ie: it stresses the QVZPE field twice on each pole face, thus it slows time down at the centrifugal interface and speeds time up at the centripetal interface), the two effects balance on each pole face... that's the reason it's inordinately difficult for us to get magnets to do work.
This isn't conjecture, it's completely understandable under QM. In fact, it's been experimentally proven. For an example, there's a NASA report of an experiment performed by scientists from Instituto de Cibernetica, Matematica y Fisica in Havana, Cuba entitled "Pressures and Energies of Vacuum in a Magnetic Field. Differences and Analogy with Casimir Effect", comparing a magnet to a Casimir cavity, although they only tested using conventional quadravortexual magnets and didn't attempt to isolate each vortex using custom flux paths... had they done so, they would have seen some very weird effects, indeed.
They reported the QVZPE field density was "stretched" at the perimeter of the magnet, and "compressed" at the center, sort of like squashing a donut... this represents time being expanded at the magnet perimeter, and contracted at the center. In other words, they reported exactly what was to be expected... the centrifugal Repulsive interface increased QVZPE field density, whereas the centripetal Attractive interface decreased QVZPE field density.
Howard Johnson came closest by taking "snapshots" of the vortexes over time in mapping out the vortex, although he probably didn't understand when he was doing it that that was what he was doing... trying to view the vortexual nature of magnets as a whole from our frame of perspective would necessitate being able to peer through time, which we can't do. We can only take snapshots of our time frame.
The closer we get to the Planck frequency in the radiation we use to view the magnet, the smaller the "time slice". The ferrocell uses visible light, thus the "time slice" is rather large and thus the vortex seems static... it'd be akin to switching on a light in a dark room for a second per day over many days and trying to figure out that the dust particles in the room have shifted in the interim. A much smaller time slice would show the vortex rotating, although we'd have to figure out some way of down-converting that frequency into something we could see.
maybe your room full of amateur Physicists could figure out how to post a Doc here and not make the readers have to put their running shoes on to read the whole page ?
BTW
93
here are some other fellows you can "help".
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20331-enlightened-magnetism-full-proof-ken-wheelers-theories.html
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 09, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
This is where I am ! I have 9 different free energy systems and all paid for by a small UK government loan ! My role is to deploy these generators to my clients !
1 , Zero point magnetic generator and no I don't spin magnets ! But it surly does some strange things as when it speeds up the current heads down to zero amps .
2 , Unified field oscillator , this one is a close replica of the NASA secret UFO ! And I do mean unified field oscillator as it has the ability to unifies all states of energy and can also bridge the dimensions by what I see as the cosmic octave . To understand it you need to know what the numerological constant of the 9 is and how it works with space time.
3 An infinity generator with no moving parts no high voltage and works in a pure DC current with electron propagation as its feed and main energy gain .
4 Magnetic vacuum high powered one way oscillator with no depletion and over a tone of pressure per inch in the rotation but not cheep to make .
5 A special high resistance coil wound on a 2.2 inch plastic pipe and confirms space time curvature at 2.2 degrees imperial and not metric ! And this can super phase with the spin of photons that are also confirmed by this equipment to have the same vector of angular spin as space time curvature.
6 Zero point water splitter using charged water .
7 Ambient radiant inducting coil with strange static sparks 2 inch from its contact terminals when connected to a small 500 watt universal motor .
8 A powerful negatively charged coil generating system .
9 A real monopole electro magnetic field generator and will produce monopole magnets .
Could you choose one and post a video of it generating power and provide some verifiable test results. Could you also shrink your diagrams and not leave 50 blank lines at the end of your posts.
Quote from: ramset on December 10, 2015, 08:35:06 AM
maybe your room full of amateur Physicists could figure out how to post a Doc here and not make the readers have to put their running shoes on to read the whole page ?
BTW
93
here are some other fellows you can "help".
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20331-enlightened-magnetism-full-proof-ken-wheelers-theories.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20331-enlightened-magnetism-full-proof-ken-wheelers-theories.html)
It's because of those HUGE IMAGES that "93" posted.
ONCE AGAIN, people, posted images should be 1024 pixels wide OR LESS, otherwise what ramset is complaining about will happen, as you can see.
800 pixels wide is generally fine. If you need to show some great detail, crop it out and post the cropped version.
There are many image editing programs that you can use to resize images to the correct pixel dimensions.
Tinsel
Yes the Quote [miss quote now that I read it again ] came from 93's dizzying post..
and I am well aware his Doc grew the page, and was attempting to make him aware.
93
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A tiny had full of amateur physicists have some how created a magnetic field for every thing hahahaha nuts ........
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thanks for reposting the forum protocol for Doc sizing
@Tinsel
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ONCE AGAIN, people, posted images should be 1024 pixels wide OR LESS, otherwise what ramset is complaining about will happen, as you can see.
800 pixels wide is generally fine. If you need to show some great detail, crop it out and post the cropped version.
There are many image editing programs that you can use to resize images to the correct pixel dimensions.
end quote.
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Chet
PPS
and thankfully we have turned the Page
:o
Cycle,thanks for answering my question. Kelly refers to "idiot Einstein" and
"Quantum bullshit". These are the couple of things that got me interested in
this topic.
I hadn't given any time to this subject 'til Kelly cropped up. I have now got a
bit of an idea as to current thinking but haven't got the first clue as to the
scenario that Kelly is painting.
Anyways thanks again for your input and I'll keep on reading what everyone
has to offer and hopefully one day I'll be able to draw a conclusion,
John.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 10, 2015, 07:54:00 AM
That's a bit confusing the vortex is not in our time frame and the observations of fast and slow time are a bit off putting ! Thus far time dilation is produced by mass not a magnetic field
Stressing the QVZPE field affects time. Think about how generators work.
Why does the spinning of the generator force electrons out over the wire? It's not mass. It's relativistic space-time compression mediated through magnetism (denoted as Larmor radiation mediated via virtual photons, a component of the QVZPE field), thus perceived charge compression, thus current.
Now think about
why mass affects space-time. Might it have something to do with QVZPE field density? You bet it does.
Now think about
why planets with different gravity will experience time passage at different rates, and
why satellites experience a faster time than clocks on Earth, despite their relatively faster speed negating some of that gravitational time-shift.
Which is yet another method of destroying Mr. Wheeler's "instantaneous action at a distance" contention... if he were able to send information from Earth to Mars, via his "instantaneous action at a distance", and let's say it's sent in a time frame that equates to 3pm Earth-time... since the lower gravity (and hence the lower QVZPE field density) of Mars means that time will pass faster there than here, Mars will have already been past the same time frame as when he sent the information, so conceivably they'd receive it before he sent it... meaning causality was broken. Ergo, "instantaneous action at a distance" cannot exist.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 10, 2015, 07:54:00 AM
.. Also fields and particles are the same so why say that particles don't exist and only fields do ?
I certainly never denied the existence of particles. That's Mr. Wheeler doing that.
We know the electron is a particle... it has rest mass and it rejects QVZPE field modes longer than the Compton radius (as all matter rejects QVZPE field modes longer than its radius):
http://vixra.org/pdf/1203.0033v1.pdf
"Proton and electron mass derived as the vacuum energy displaced by a Casimir cavity"
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Two of the great mysteries of physics are the origin of mass and the mysterious mass ratio between the proton and electron of ~1836. In this paper it is shown that the mass-energy of the proton is equivalent to the vacuum energy excluded by a spherical Casimir cavity with an average radius equal to the charge radius of a proton. Likewise the electron mass is shown to be equivalent to the vacuum energy excluded by a spherical shell with an average diameter equal to the Compton wavelength of the electron. The ratio ~1836 is derived as a natural consequence of the vacuum energy exclusion.
We also know the electron has wave-like properties... because it is so small and light that the QVZPE field modes it excludes impinge upon it... so what we're seeing when we do the double-slit experiment with electrons isn't the electron being a wave, it's the electron being impinged upon by QVZPE field mode waves (the QVZPE field being comprised of electromagnetic waves of all frequencies from DC to the Planck frequency). It's sort of like that carnival game Plinko, you put a disc in at the top, it bounces off pegs as it goes down, you get a prize if it lands in a certain spot... now substitute the electron for the disc, and the QVZPE field modes impinging upon the electron for the pegs. We're seeing the anisotropy of the QVZPE field. Doing the double-slit experiment firing the electrons through a Casimir cavity designed to damp the most prevalent impinging QVZPE field modes should prove this out... in so doing, the researcher will find the electron's behavior much more particle-like (rather than wave-like) than it usually is when doing such an experiment. Of course, there's no way to block all QVZPE field modes (mainly because the metal of the cavity is transparent to higher-frequency modes), but damping some of them should give researchers the clue they need to resolve the wave-particle duality issue.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 10, 2015, 07:54:00 AM
There is to much hyper junk physics on the attempts to change the current and excepted view that still stands in the cosmological principle ! Einstein is correct as re time and gravity with space craft now launched to observe gravity waves and also curvature in the fabric has already been confirmed.
Other things to consider ! Millions of people time travel in there dreams this is a result of gravity waves nothing to do with magnetics ! I strongly suggest the theoretical magnetic vortex should stand only as a theory until it is observed beyond that of a black hole and that has now been observed.
The idea of slow and fast time between two fields or at the inner or outer construct of a magnetic filed is impossible around a magnet but not impossible for a black hole ! The way I view all this is if I can not personally Isolate a magnetic vortex with out a magnetic than it does not exist ... All this hyper theory can sound interesting but that is all it is !
I didn't say it was a large effect... but then the relativistic effects at work in a conventional generator aren't that large, either. For instance, if you ran a generator such that it had an outer perimeter velocity of its rotor of 1500 MPH for one hour, it would actually experience 0.99999999999749848054 hours. That 0.00000000900576 second time difference over the course of an hour is what is responsible for the generation of the electricity due to relativistic space-time compression and thus charge compression. And that's a lot of space-time compression as compared to the electrical grid generators.
A very basic video addressing the topic:
https://youtu.be/1TKSfAkWWN0
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 10, 2015, 07:54:00 AM
The constant attacks on relativity is only an attempt to beat the master at his own game without the master being able to reply ! And to confirm a better understanding its a good idea to speak to the mast Einstein himself and Max plank Maxwell ect ect but you may fill that is impossible but I will not agree ...
I'm not trying to beat the masters at their own game, I'm attempting to understand what they understood. Perhaps by understanding what they understood in light of modern technology, we might be able to conceive of something new that could not have existed in their time.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 10, 2015, 07:54:00 AM
This whole Idea of a magnetic form of gravity is completely bonkers ! The fact that NASA have studied some tiny effect on the fabric of space time with powerful magnetic fields is one thing but they require the impossible anti matter generator that is also bonkers and just hype physics .... I have had the good experience of being within 500 ft of 6 UFOS and not magnetic fields were being used !
Gravity Probe B confirmed gravitoelectromagnetism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism
I suggest you study the subject of stress-energy tensor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress%E2%80%93energy_tensor
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The stress–energy tensor (sometimes stress–energy–momentum tensor or energy–momentum tensor) is a tensor quantity in physics that describes the density and flux of energy and momentum in spacetime, generalizing the stress tensor of Newtonian physics. It is an attribute of matter, radiation, and non-gravitational force fields. The stress–energy tensor is the source of the gravitational field in the Einstein field equations of general relativity, just as mass density is the source of such a field in Newtonian gravity.
The stress-energy tensor concept is what leads to the conclusion that energy converted from mass in stars is entropying, becoming part of the QVZPE field, and thus increasing QVZPE field radiation pressure. The universe has only two options... either expand or concretize mass... to relieve that field radiation pressure. Right now, it expands because that's the most energetically conservative thing to do. Earlier in the universe's existence, it was obviously more energetically conservative to concretize mass, accounting for the 1 billionth of all that energy expulsed from the Big Bang being converted to the mass we have today.
So that accounts for universal expansion... it also happens to account for universal expansion at faster than the speed of light. The QVZPE field being a magnetohydrodynamic fluid, a plasma, electromagnetic waves (of which the QVPZE field is comprised) can travel faster than c if the frequency is higher than the plasma frequency, as I outlined in another post.
So the "dark energy" all the physicists were looking for was right in front of their faces the whole time they were denying that the QVZPE field (ie: the "aether") existed.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 10, 2015, 07:54:00 AM
Atoms and there particles are real ! So what if there fields mass has to be something but there fields are focused to there core nuclei where the quarks require them to keep there position in the proton ! So the fields are already taken up and if it was any different than all material would be strongly magnetic .. Gravity is different as its curvature sets up the force of attraction but that increase in speed is quantised suggesting that waves are included ! These waves are not magnetic or have any EMF construct so the fabric is a condition and construct of the plank constant or as we like to call it the zero point field..
Max plank was more than just a master of physics he had a lot of faith in the supernatural and came to the conclusion that the universe or at least a galaxy is a conscious being and very much like a matrix or as many now call it a brain ! This is very important as we have 200 billion neurons and our galaxy has 200 billion stars ! We consider that the galaxy can not build anything more complex than its self !
This may be strange to you ? But we see that every particle atom field is in a perfected position in the space time continuum and to that we also conclude that numerological constant of the 9 as the major influence by which all is constructed .. As re magnetic fields say that of a magnetic there must be a polarised form of charge that keeps them as a stable construct and either end is also a set field formed by there dynamic harmonic response when first charged . Meaning they resonate at the charge frequency but in two harmonics say NORTH as C and SOUTH as F ... C# D D# E F And is a fifth note in the scale between N and S in other word they are harmonics composed from there point of charge ....
We have to include dimensions if we want to isolate the polarised charge as we can not directly measure them in our dimension ! There is no magnetic vortex beyond the surface of a star or around the event horizon of a black hole ! What you will see is a vacuum and some entropy for say NEO magnets ! The spirals that are found in geometry are in fact a construct of there harmonics in the chromatic scale and only particles like ions will flow to these patterns and not MF ........
The difficult part for you to one day except is that the galaxy it in it self a being of intelligence and has total control of all its parts and that does not require for the parts to all be fields ! A ghost was once given a present as a simple toy in a box and when the researcher returned the toy had been removed from the box but the box still had not been opened .... Beings have been seen to walk out and into mirrors , wooden tables levitating and people to all with no magnetic fields or vortexes !
Christ feed 5000 people with 5 bread roles and 2 fish and walked on water also turned water to wine and brought a dead man back to life all with out magnets or vortexes and Christ was not the only one who could do these things ! A magnetic vortex would create a worm hole and there are no worm holes !
So particles are reality ! We call them particles you call them fields same thing ! And all this with out entanglement or propagation what they are looking for does not exist beyond that of a simple vacuum ......
Please consider the numerological constant and the cosmic octave as the back bone for the grand unified field as with out it nothing would exist ! A tiny had full of amateur physicists have some how created a magnetic field for every thing hahahaha nuts ........ Time is independent and requires no magnetic field ! What's wrong with nothing why does nothing have to be a magnetic field ? Entanglement requires nothing no time or space or some stupid string or magnetic field ! Its consciousness beyond the mechanical ! Than we enter the supernatural and ghosts are not magnets yet magnets can open up dimensional holes not worm holes ...
In the fifth dimension there is no time or space ! So what does that tel you about a magnetic vortex ? .... A hole can open and close without a vortex just in the same way as a window or a door can !
I see spirals particles atoms and geometry time and space in our 4 dimensional galaxy but no magnetic vortex is required there for they don't exist beyond the surface of the sun or a black hole !!! Or please provide a man made version !!!
I don't know about all that spirituality stuff. I'm attempting to understand it from a more mechanical point of view.
http://www.pitt.edu/~mingchen/Research_papers/CGSY.071509.pdf
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Vortices arise as static solutions to gauge field equations in two-space dimensions. Unlike monopoles, magnetic vortices not only arise as theoretical constructs but also play important roles in areas such as superconductivity [1, 30, 37], electroweak theory [3, 4, 5, 6], and cosmology [81]. The mathematical existence and properties of such vortices have been well studied [7, 8, 9, 10, 25, 27, 37, 43, 44, 48, 50, 54, 55, 57, 65, 68, 69, 75, 86]. Naturally, it will be interesting and important to establish the existence of dyon-like vortices, simply called electrically charged vortices, carrying both electric and magnetic charges. Such dually charged vortices have applications in a wide range of areas including high-temperature superconductivity [40, 47], optics [11], the Bose–Einstein condensates [33, 39], the quantum Hall effect [66], and superfluids.
This paper tried to apply the temporally-infinite-base 4-D manifold of Minkowski space-time to their equations, as outlined on page 3, but a "nontrivial temporal component of the gauge field" frustrated their efforts, so they only considered the vortexes in our "snapshot" of time, in other words, static without considering temporal effects.
In Theorem 9.4, they postulate a multiplet of n − 1 Higgs fields each lying in the Cartan subalgebra of su(n) (ie: they extended their equations out over a finite-dimensional field to approximate the infinite temporal base field, to try to arrive at at least some form of temporally-inclusive solution), leading them to conclude that "such a magnetically and electrically charged solution realizes an SU(n) vortex configuration asymptotically and topologically represented by the m
th integral class in the classification space of the vortex vacuum manifold", closing with "To conclude, in this paper, we have developed an existence theory for the electrically and magnetically charged vortex solutions arising in the classical Abelian and non-Abelian Chern–Simons–Higgs models using a constrained variational approach.".
Note the vortex seems "static" because magnetism stresses the QVZPE field density, and thus affects time... so the vortex appears to be static taken from the "snapshot" of our time frame... when in reality it is spiraling through time... the centrifugal interface is spiraling out behind our time frame, whereas the centripetal is spiraling out ahead of our time frame.
Now, taken with what I've said above about how generators work, I'm sure the brighter minds here can think of many ways of exploiting this phenomenon.
Cycle,really interesting stuff,I'm afraid it's way beyond my level but I think
I can sort of see the relevance of my frame of reference and time and thus
a glimpse of a "static" vortex. A couple of years ago I had the impression
that physics had gone most of the way,now I realise that there's a huge amount
of really exciting things to be resolved.
Another paper:
http://www.math.jhu.edu/~js/julia-zee-joel4.pdf
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In their now classic 1975 paper [10], Julia and Zee studied the Abelian Higgs gauge field theory model. Using a radially symmetric field configuration ansatz and assuming a sufficiently fast decay rate at spatial infinity, they were able to conclude that a finite-energy static solution of the equations of motion over the (2 + 1)-dimensional Minkowski spacetime must satisfy the temporal gauge condition (1.6), and thus, is necessarily electrically neutral. This result, referred here as the Julia–Zee theorem, leads to many interesting consequences. For example, it makes it transparent that the static Abelian Higgs model is exactly the Ginzburg–Landau theory [6] which is purely magnetic [9, 12]. Since the work of Julia and Zee [10], it has been accepted [4, 7, 8, 11, 13, 20] that, in order to obtain both electrically and magnetically charged static vortices, one needs to introduce into the Lagrangian action density the Chern–Simons topological terms [2, 3], which is an essential construct in anyon physics [22, 23]. See also [5].
On the other hand, it is well known that electrically and magnetically charged static solitons, called dyons by Schwinger [17] (see also the related work of Zwanziger [24, 25]), exist as solutions to the Yang–Millis–Higgs equations over (3 + 1)-dimensional spacetime [10, 14, 16]. Therefore, the Julia–Zee theorem is valid only in (2 + 1) dimensions.
In other words, the vortices are only static in (2 + 1) dimensions under the Julia-Zee theorem when one considers a trivial temporal component A
0=0. When considered in a 4-D Minkowski manifold, the vortices rotate... through that non-trivial temporal component... through time.
And some information on quantum vacuum angle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_angle
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In quantum gauge theories, in the Hamiltonian formulation, the wave function is a functional of the gauge connection A and matter fields phi. Being a quantum gauge theory, we have to impose first class constraints in the form of functional differential equations—basically, the Gauss constraint.
In flat spacetime, space is noncompact R3. Since the Gauss constraints are local, it suffices to consider gauge transformations U which approach 1 at spatial infinity.
At any rate, we can see that there are gauge transformations U homotopic to the trivial gauge transformation. These gauge transformations are called small gauge transformations. All the other gauge transformations are called big gauge transformations, which are classified by the homotopy group π3(G) where G is the gauge group.
The Gauss constraints mean that the value of the wave function functional is constant along the orbits of small gauge transformation for all small gauge transformations U. But this is not true in general for large gauge transformations.
It turns out that if G is some simple Lie group, then π3(G) is Z. Let U be any representative of a gauge transformation with winding number 1.
The Hilbert space decomposes into superselection sectors labeled by a theta angle θ.
Or, put in its simplest terms, time "twists" space... conversely, space is "twisting" through time. Thereby, given that magnetism stresses the QVZPE field and thus affects space-time, it induces a "twist" to it that we see as a vortex.
Quote Cycleguy:"I don't know about all that spirituality stuff. I'm attempting to understand it from a more mechanical point of view."
What are you saying here sir.are you denying the existence of physical freak-out phenomena external to the mind or just wanting rational explano for it?
ll Here is Dale Pond on dogmatic science and "not understanding" the "other Science that "CAN-NOT" have physical properties" and science "WILL NOT" allow debate on this topic...." Here is an explanation of "why".. short clips here from Colorado..at least citizens here can smoke dope and get high, and have "other views of reality" GET IT !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivq1GcG2leg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivq1GcG2leg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWep9Z4eoT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWep9Z4eoT8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYm36ukY5sc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYm36ukY5sc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvAbbtHBiCE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvAbbtHBiCE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34uGtuvQCo8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34uGtuvQCo8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mN2y8u17bk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mN2y8u17bk)
I will say "thanks" that there is such a great debate going on with out "you guys trying to rape each other" as education has deeply imbeded most people to such a degree that no amount of "proof" will change the other position till death... and it takes a lot to sit and listen and to eat "humble pie" ... I too have quit posting here as I got scars from "milehigh" and tinselkoala" and forum mambers who are always attacking, NOT accepting that I see things differently from them.. and am just sick of getting attacked by having a different point of view from "dogmatic, accepted status quo, etc.." and go to hell, fuck you stupid shit.. die.. Now this is why Wesley has stopped also ..posting too.
Al... aka... Acca...and aka "Magnetflipper" and aka "Magnetvortex"....
P.s. magnets have a "magnet vortex" and yes it was discovered by Howard Johnson in Virginia Tech in 1980's and science has not accepted that and so 35 years later debate still goes on and on .. "dogma is a bitch"... how ever science did discover that using a electron microscope, yes it is real but we will keep it quiet.. link .. https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11635 (https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11635)
Here is one of mine (below)...."Magnetvortex"..
My clip and video, if you don't like it don't wach it !!! make your own !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU)
And clip from Ken the "nutter"..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yi0WHKtRd4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yi0WHKtRd4)
Challenging the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics -
Synchronisation of 5 coupled metronomes done in Lancaster University, Physics Dep
Nonlinear dynamics and medical physics group.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TMZASCR-I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TMZASCR-I)
Quote from: Acca on December 11, 2015, 07:20:45 AM
I will say "thanks" that there is such a great debate going on with out "you guys trying to each other" as education has deeply imbeded most people to such a degree that no amount of "proof" will change the other position till death... and it takes a lot to sit and listen and to eat "humble pie" ... I too have quit posting here as I got scars from "milehigh" and tinselkoala" and forum mambers who are always attacking, NOT accepting that I see things differently from them.. and am just sick of getting attacked by having a different point of view from "dogmatic, accepted status quo, etc.." and go to hell, fuck you stupid shit.. die.. Now this is why Wesley has stopped also ..posting too.
Al... aka... Acca...and aka "Magnetflipper" and aka "Magnetvortex"....
P.s. magnets have a "magnet vortex" and yes it was discovered by Howard Johnson in Virginia Tech in 1980's and science has not accepted that and so 35 years later debate still goes on and on .. "dogma is a bitch"... how ever science did discover that using a electron microscope, yes it is real but we will keep it quiet.. link .. https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11635 (https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11635)
Here is one of mine (below)...."Magnetvortex"..
My clip and video, if you don't like it don't wach it !!! make your own !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU)
No, you were
not attacked. You were challenged to explain your aquarium "magnetic vortex" videos. You were told that any astute kid in high school that was interested in this stuff with a bit of work would be able to explain them. You were given an opportunity to explain them yourself and you came up with nothing. Then I posted the diagrams that perfectly explained why the water swirls in a vortex and I think you had nothing to say. That was not "attacking" you by any stretch of the imagination.
I reattached the pictures that completely explain what you are observing in your aquarium videos. Recently I was watching a documentary on Faraday and they showed one of his experiments which was the world's first electric motor. See the attached pic. You will notice it has a static magnet sitting in a pool of mercury. When current flows through the straight rigid wire it spins because of the
cross-product force interaction between the current-carrying wire and the
static and unchanging magnetic field produced by the magnet.
I find it very ironic that you are pitching a "magnetic vortex" when your aquarium setup is essentially the same as the world's very first electric motor from 1821.
Here is a YouTube clip that explains the Faraday motor and your aquarium clips:
<<< Faraday Motor How to Make How it Works
The Faraday motor was the first electric motor, first demonstrated in 1821 by Michael Faraday. This video shows step-by-step how to make one using copper wire, aluminum foil, salt water and a 9 volt battery. It then explains how it works by showing how an electric current running through a wire at right angles to a magnetic field will experience a force that is in a direction perpendicular to both those. The right-hand rule is shown. This is the Lorentz force law, or the LaPlace force. >>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRFqYRHT3Wk
Quote from: profitis on December 11, 2015, 03:28:04 AM
Quote Cycleguy:"I don't know about all that spirituality stuff. I'm attempting to understand it from a more mechanical point of view."
What are you saying here sir.are you denying the existence of physical freak-out phenomena external to the mind or just wanting rational explano for it?
What I wrote is what I meant. The universe is physical in nature, not spiritual. A bunch of energy didn't just decide one day "Hey, let's get a universe started. That sounds like a party.", there's a physical reason underlying the universe's existence. I don't profess to know the origins of the universe, however.
Acca you have a poor memory. Let us not forget that it was YOU who tried to violate my privacy by posting a picture that you thought was me, but was in fact some other man with the same alias who posted his photo to a dating site. This thing that you did was not only stalking and trolling _and attacking me_ but was actually _dangerous_ behaviour on your part. Dangerous to me and to that other fellow. So don't go whining about some hurt feelings that you might have... you should have been permanently banned for that act alone.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 11, 2015, 09:13:52 AM
No, you were not attacked. You were challenged to explain your aquarium "magnetic vortex" videos. You were told that any astute kid in high school that was interested in this stuff with a bit of work would be able to explain them. You were given an opportunity to explain them yourself and you came up with nothing. Then I posted the diagrams that perfectly explained why the water swirls in a vortex and I think you had nothing to say. That was not "attacking" you by any stretch of the imagination.
I reattached the pictures that completely explain what you are observing in your aquarium videos. Recently I was watching a documentary on Faraday and they showed one of his experiments which was the world's first electric motor. See the attached pic. You will notice it has a static magnet sitting in a pool of mercury. When current flows through the straight rigid wire it spins because of the cross-product force interaction between the current-carrying wire and the static and unchanging magnetic field produced by the magnet.
I find it very ironic that you are pitching a "magnetic vortex" when your aquarium setup is essentially the same as the world's very first electric motor from 1821.
Here is a YouTube clip that explains the Faraday motor and your aquarium clips:
<<< Faraday Motor How to Make How it Works
The Faraday motor was the first electric motor, first demonstrated in 1821 by Michael Faraday. This video shows step-by-step how to make one using copper wire, aluminum foil, salt water and a 9 volt battery. It then explains how it works by showing how an electric current running through a wire at right angles to a magnetic field will experience a force that is in a direction perpendicular to both those. The right-hand rule is shown. This is the Lorentz force law, or the LaPlace force. >>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRFqYRHT3Wk
Yeah, the universe is pretty "screwy".
The closest I can analogize is that as space twists through time, because of the conjugate nature of space and time in Minkowski space, the net effect balances to zero, so no rotation from our frame of perspective. But by counter-mediating that rotation, we're essentially "straightening out" (or screwing tighter) that twisting, of either space or time. If local space is "straightened out" (or screwed tighter), we perceive that as rotation. If local time is "straightened out" (or screwed tighter), we perceive that as a warpage of time.
Counter-mediating space-time with electrons (as in the case of a motor) gives us rotation of physical objects in our space-time frame of perspective, because electrons are temporal (ie: they're tied to a local space-time frame of perspective), being matter with rest mass. They "straighten out" (or screw tighter) space, so we perceive rotation from our perspective.
Counter-mediating space-time with virtual photons (as in the case of magnets) gives us rotation of that magnetic field through time because virtual photons (a component of the QVZPE field) aren't temporal (ie: they're not tied to any space-time frame of perspective). They "straighten out" (or screw tighter) time, so we get a warpage of time, either dilating or compressing it, dependent upon which direction the rotation is counter-mediated.
At least, that's the closest I can get via my research into Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Field Theory and Stochastic Electrodynamics.
It's enough to make your head hurt thinking about it.
Quote from: Acca on December 11, 2015, 07:20:45 AM
P.s. magnets have a "magnet vortex" and yes it was discovered by Howard Johnson in Virginia Tech in 1980's and science has not accepted that and so 35 years later debate still goes on and on .. "dogma is a bitch"... how ever science did discover that using a electron microscope, yes it is real but we will keep it quiet.. link .. https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11635 (https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11635)
Al, you're confusing (or conflating) two entirely different things. They're not talking about the magnetic vortex (of the field) that you're talking about... when considered on a nano scale, a magnet doesn't have a Bloch Wall (a canting of the magnetic domains at the midline region where the two predominant magnetic domain directions meet and cancel). A nano-scale magnet has that "canting" throughout its single-domain due to the small size of the magnet. The atoms align in a circular pattern to minimize the magnet's internal energy. They've taken to calling that physical arrangement of atoms in the magnet a "magnetic vortex"... I suppose a bad choice of words, considering.
So you all have missed my post about MAGNET VORTEX !!
https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11448 (https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11448)
Electrical problem..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MZv7DhxpX8&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MZv7DhxpX8&feature=related)
Acca..
Quote from: Acca on December 11, 2015, 12:38:14 PM
So you all have missed my post about MAGNET VORTEX !!
https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11448 (https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11448)
That's not the vortex (of the magnetic field) we're talking about, Al. That's a physical rearrangement of the atoms in a nano-sized magnet (which is a single domain) into a circular arrangement to minimize the magnet's internal energy that researchers call a "magnetic vortex". Two entirely different things.
Hitachi proved the existence of magnetic field vortex back in 1994.
http://videos.vega.org.uk/vri4tonomura.mp4
Dr. Akira Tonamura did it by using ultra-cold temperature, ultra-high vacuum and an electron holography microscope.
http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/Lorentz/Lorentzforce.html
Quote
Akira Tonamura succeeded in visualizing the annihilation of counter-rotating magnetic vortices. Vortices of one orientation were first set up in the superconductor by applying a strong magnetic field. Once established, the field was then turned off, and some vortices persisted on the surface (often bunched up in cues, waiting to reach the edge of the superconductor). Then the opposite magnetic field was applied, generating the reverse vortices on the same slab of material. When these counter-rotating vortices encounter each other, they annihilate, as shown below in Fig. 7. The video shows actual video footage from the electron microscope of the process in action.
http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/Lorentz/annil1.png
And a video showing a real-time image of magnetic vortices in a superconductor... the spin of the vortices generates heat which destroys the superconducting properties when current is introduced to the superconductor. As the superconductor is cooled, magnetic lines of flux penetrate through the superconductor to form vortices, which generate heat, which destroys the superconducting properties. So negating vortex formation in a superconductor is paramount to achieving higher-temperature superconduction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mypzz99_MrM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoy59E1nJ24
The second video shows the small surface vortices. Apparently, in a conventional magnet, constructive wave interference contributes to a general vortexual form to the bulk magnetic flux. The vortices are called "flux quantums". At extremely low temperatures, the vortices can actually be brought to a standstill... they'll just sit in one place and spin. With increasing temperature, they'll start to migrate toward the outer edge of the superconductor.
So by using ultra-cold temperatures (which kept the vortices smaller, but slowed things down enough that they were able to be seen), ultra-high vacuum (which removed any interfering gaseous atoms), along with a 1 million volt electron wave holography interference microscope counter-mediating the vortices, we were actually able to watch in real time the temporal vortices of a magnet.
Where is old Nyanavira when you need him?
He'd soon demolish the CycleGuy with a few
colourful words!!!
Come to think of it I haven't seen anything of
Sadang for a while. Come on lads,get at it.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 12, 2015, 04:49:48 AM
That is close to the conditions of a black hole event horizon ! Its still not a magnetic vortex as you have to have a super conduction environment and a million volts !
The extreme cold of the superconductor allowed researchers to slow events down enough that they could see them in real time. The million volts was for the electron microscope. It required that high of a voltage to get the resolution necessary to view things that small.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 12, 2015, 04:49:48 AM
This vortex is there for un natural and only exists as a movement in a slow vortex mode ! Its not a real vortex.
That's magnetism you're seeing in the video above. Magnetism mediated such that it's slowed down enough that we can watch it, but magnetism just the same.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 12, 2015, 04:49:48 AM
But it is very interesting ! A real vortex will suck in all the surrounding heat just like a tornado and will grow and I don't see what is presented growing !
Have you ever known a magnet to "suck in all the surrounding heat just like a tornado"? I've already provided you the mathematical proofs that the virtual photon flux of the magnetic field is spiraling through time, just ahead and just behind our own time frame, which is why we can't perceive it unless we slow it down tremendously, I'm sure you and your colleagues can follow that math. I've also provided you the groundbreaking research of Dr. Akira Tonomura showing magnetic vortexes in real time... if you're not convinced by the mathematical proofs and your own eyes, nothing will convince you. I wish you luck with your religious belief that magnets aren't vortexual in nature.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 12, 2015, 04:49:48 AM
If you feed it more magnetism and it grew and the environment was cooler than its a magnetic vortex ! What you are seeing is a simple vacuum that has a tiny amount of motion and is no different than a vacuum cleaner at a million volts .. Gravity will pull entropy towards the ground in a vacuum and there is no connection here to entropy ! Neo magnets do get a little bit of heat from particles being sucked in as from the vacuum of the magnet and they will dump the static charged on its surface. A real magnetic vortex must act like a vortex in order to be one ! I can levitate a car with enough energy but it would be wrong to say that the car can fly . If I place a super large NEO magnetic under a cloud it will not affect the cloud unless the cloud was to release a bolt of lighting onto the magnet !
It's quite apparent you either didn't watch the videos, or didn't comprehend them. The million volts has nothing to do with the magnetic vortexes, it was used in the electron microscope to view the vortexes.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 12, 2015, 04:49:48 AM
They are looking for ways to affect gravity with magnets and sometimes you can stimulate lift but it is not affecting gravity ! Don't believe all the hype . Its impossible to release the field of a magnet from the magnet just like you can not release the magnetic field from a black hole and the only natural magnetic vortex this is possible to achieve is a super large electron but that would require trillions and trillions of other electrons to merge together as a one field . To do that you need a super nova event ! They are really stuck as to gravity and how to off set it and should look towards Hutchison and the ghost field and forget high voltage in a magnetic field .
Hutchison? You mean the guy who couldn't replicate his results when asked to, whose equipment "disappeared", supposed confiscated by the Canadian authorities (and how convenient for Hutchison, since he can't be asked to replicate his results anymore), who got caught faking some of the results, who went more than a little off the rails and now spends his time making videos dressed up as a woman and calling himself Karla Kniption?
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 12, 2015, 04:49:48 AM
But they have money to burn and need to claim something for there work and I don't blame them for that but when they seek out claims that bend the rules of good science one must than question the motive before the finite results . So to make a real magnetic vortex it has to be independent from its magnet and grow with entropy ! This is impossible ! Fields do not move as they have no mass !
Are you sure you understand what entropy is? Nothing "grows" with entropy except the QVZPE field, which is the universal "pool" of entropied energy.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 12, 2015, 04:49:48 AM
You were right in the first suggestion that a magnetic filed is a kind of warped fabric but I do not see that it is the same fabric of space time. I would strongly suggest to consider other dimensions where the polarised charge of the magnetic field is stored. A curtain can be pulled apart but if its to be held back than it must have something to hold its self to.
But this is my view and it comes from an experience of observing dimensional interactions using magnetic fields with mirrors ! The holographic events of magnetism and light need to many other imposing forms to affect it like crystals or voltage and to be honest photons do have spin and that to can be adjusted or refracted. So only a very large mass can affect photons in a pure state not a magnet !
You're saying that magnetic fields (denoted by physics as virtual photons) do not move (rotate) because they have no mass, but photons do. You seem confused.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 12, 2015, 04:49:48 AM
To many go for the spectacular out of science events as to gain attention ! But the cosmological principle defeats it ever time ! We can never re invent space time as it is what it is and to challenge it is pointless. I have witnessed objects move on there own and even beings stepping into our dimension from a mirror than become a solid energy. There was no million volts or magnets involved ! I do not trust any physics beyond the cosmological principle or would ever disrespect the masters that produced it.
I will look again and much deeper into what you have presented but at this point there is no magnetic vortex ! ....
So you've stacked your unsubstantiated claim up against mathematical proofs
and a video showing magnetic vortexes
and the scientific reputation of Dr. Akira Tonomura (the first man to experimentally confirm the Aharanov-Bohm Effect and the man who developed the electron holography scanning microscope)
and against the best and brightest of Quantum Mechanics.
Ok. Where's your proof of your assertions?
Happy days down on the farm!
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 12, 2015, 12:13:14 PM
I have a Hutchison coil and I would not let anyone see it in action ! And you see to fall for this crap about the japan claim on magnetic vortex yet you throw aside A1 who presented the correct magnetic vortex as a simple electron ... The 1 M V microscope IS A VERY HIGH TECH BIT OF KIT but sorry no magnetic vortexes there just movements of static charged air bubbles .
"static charged air bubbles"
Micron-sized air bubbles? I guess you forgot about the first video, at time 42:24, right? That's a side shot of a magnetic vortex. Not an air bubble.
How about time 44:00? Two magnetic vortexes of opposing magnetic polarities meeting and mutually annihilating. Not an air bubble.
Hehehehe cycleguy, element93rd is mostly a toy to play with. After playing with such toy you either throw it in the trash or invent a new toy heheheh
CycleGuy.
QVZPE field: Does it exist? Prove it. I understand what it is conceptually.
Canted magnetic domains? Proof or explanation?
Relatively weak magnetic material cannot withstand the internal magnetic stresses due to cutting? Proof?
How is magnetic diffusion rate? Any experimental evidence for this? I know you mentioned Maxwell calculated it
The virtual photon flux stressing the QVZPE field and thus space-time? Proof?
Bushman magnet drop: I'd guess TA would explain this as the magnet creating force and motion. So I don't see that as clear cut evidence.
electrons in orbit about their nucleus emit Larmor radiation in the form of virtual photons? Evidence for this? Or simply an explanation? What is a virtual photon? Pretty much this entire paragrpah can be explained by TA using different ideas. Ie energy from one pole has to balance that from the other pole. He uses field pressure mediation you use virtual photons.
"Individual magnetic 'charges'? I read the nature paper they didn't really do that. They used an equation the Onsager euqtion that is used to measure macro level dissociation and divided it by constant to get the charge.
I agree that TA needs to explain nuclear decay.
I find your tone very annoying frankly. TA has presented a reasonably coherent explanation with many detailed pics and videos. You have simply regurgitated physics orthodoxy without significantly countering any of his ideas. I actually find TAs theory to be reasonably self consistent and intuitive unlike the modern physics version which is bandaged together in large part. It's like a person speaking French and person speaking English. Apple no it's pomme, no apple! no pomme!
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 13, 2015, 07:57:52 AM
You can never change the laws of physics ! This Japanese fruit cake is doing his disclosure the wrong way round ! The correct way is to demo the sample at room temperature with out magnetism that add the magnetism than bring down the temperature than increase the temperature. The obvious error is made by intent to pull the wool over your eyes ! When he does a visual on the sample at a higher temperature there is no decrease in the number of bubbles hahahahh check mate .... hahahaha
Also there is no spin so a vortex with no spin is not a vortex .. Static charged bubbles is what he has got and that means his stupid 1 million volt microscope is interfering with the sample hahahahahhahahahah in other words its a heap of junk ! Also the daft claim that its the first time an atom can be seen is a lie as there is now very good pictures made of the proton surface ...
These so called scientist's who in the video were claimed to confirm it all work for the company and none are particle physicists or quantum mechanics so no independent study is made or confirmed . His electron propagation tech is shit and the daft claim that he can send an electron through an eye of a needle at 50 miles away is bonkers ....... So the man is bonkers ! He designed a heap of junk found loads of bubbles and used it as a lie to cover up his error !
Stop believing in YouTube and stick to the real laws that govern such things ! It would not surprise me if his mad idea to make a smart phone that can view a 3D image of an atom will suck up some more money as its obvious that the directors of the company are as thick as 2 planks of wood ! When you see people doing things the wrong way round and present them as real with no out side independent conformation don't trust it ............
I am thinking of writing to the company director with these facts and may seek legal compensation for wasting my time and adding in other claims that will completely destroy this nut job .......... They will not like what we have to say about it ! And if they let us take a re take I think you should go there and do it !!! hahahahhahahahahahahah bonkers its all bonkers .....
If you're not going to contribute to the discussion by sticking to reality, then why do you bother?
He didn't say he could shoot an electron through the eye of a needle at 50 miles, he was analogizing the accuracy of the electron holography microscope used to image the magnetic vortexes. And you're still forgetting the side-shots of the vortexes, in real-time, showing them rotating... because the ultra-low temperatures and fast scanning speed allowed a small enough "time-slice" that we could see it. And you forget the two mathematical proofs provided, completely in accordance with QM.
"air bubbles"... in an ultra-high vacuum. ::)
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 10, 2015, 07:54:00 AM
I have had the good experience of being within 500 ft of 6 UFOS and not magnetic fields were being used !
Quote from: 93RDELEMENT on September 01, 2014, 09:56:23 AM
Flying saucers are very important and work best as a magnetic vortex so they have a direct role in this thread !
You do not represent scientific inquiry, you represent its polar opposite. Your writing whatever comes to mind, no matter how nonsensical, no matter if it contradicts what you've stated prior, is doing a great disservice to scientific inquiry in that there are those who would believe outright your meanderings, and it necessitates everyone having to wade through and vet your statements. You are not, sir, contributing to scientific inquiry, you are contributing to a form of scientific chaos in which psychiatric infirmity and nonsensical beliefs invade upon truth.
So, we're done here. You're on "ignore" status from now on.
Atom,your language gets more reminiscent of Kelly every day!
Don't kill off the debate, I'm enjoying it,
John.
I don't understand why you guys are even arguing about this. Dufo has already picked up the banner and is shouting from the rooftops that this theory is correct. Surely no one has any doubts about this if Dufo is for it. I mean after all he is the master of deception and misinformation. I really had no interest in this topic at all until I saw where Dufo started posting about it. Then I realized it was probably another snow job to get people to argue instead of concentrating on trying to find some real solutions. From the little I have read about this theory it does make any difference at all. Only real testing and working with magnets will teach you anything. There is nothing to be gained from reading another pie in the sky wild theory.
Just my opinion and I don't really care whether you agree or not.
Carroll
This is for Joel,
this fellow Perelman came up with a solution for
Poincare's conjecture. There was a medal and a million dollar prize.
He didn't collect either.Great man!
John.
The easiest way of proving or disproving Mr. Wheeler's hypothesis that a magnet is "dielectric" and is throwing off / taking in "inertial dielectricity" is to devise an experiment such that these charged particles (because remember, he says a magnet gives off "inertial dielectricity", while he's redefined "inertial" to mean "the opposite of rest" and "dielectricity" to mean "static electricity"... so "static electricity in motion") are put through a dielectric such that they give off Cherenkov radiation.
If Mr. Wheeler is able to produce Cherenkov radiation from a magnet, it would be an absolute confirmation of his theory. If he is unable to do so, that nullus resultarum will stand as an absolute refutation of his theory.
Will Mr. Wheeler take the challenge to validate his theory?
STATIC ? whats that ? every object you can see on this planet is collectively either rotating 1000 mph or orbiting the sun 67,000mph , or the centre of this galaxy 490,000mph
^scientic american
"static electricty" was coined in the 1800s but is freely used in 2015
where Michelson and Morley ? ....whoops back in the 1800s ;D
Quote from: CycleGuy on December 13, 2015, 09:11:41 PM
The easiest way of proving or disproving Mr. Wheeler's hypothesis that a magnet is "dielectric" and is throwing off / taking in "inertial dielectricity" is to devise an experiment such that these charged particles (because remember, he says a magnet gives off "inertial dielectricity", while he's redefined "inertial" to mean "the opposite of rest" and "dielectricity" to mean "static electricity"... so "static electricity in motion") are put through a dielectric such that they give off Cherenkov radiation.
If Mr. Wheeler is able to produce Cherenkov radiation from a magnet, it would be an absolute confirmation of his theory. If he is unable to do so, that nullus resultarum will stand as an absolute refutation of his theory.
Will Mr. Wheeler take the challenge to validate his theory?
That's not quite right. Producing the Cherenkov radiation from a magnet will not be "absolute confirmation"; it's a formal fallacy to think so. "If A then B; observe B.... therefore A" is fallacious reasoning called "Affirming the consequent". If Kenny's theory is correct, then under certain conditions producing CR from a magnet will result. Observe CR from the magnet... you can't therefore conclude that Kenny's theory is correct.
However, you are right about the second part: "If A then B; observe _not B_, therefore Not A." This is valid reasoning (modus tollens). So it's possible to _disprove_ absolutely the Wheeler theory by doing the right experiments with proper controls and finding a null result. However, getting a positive result can only "support" a theory, it cannot prove it. "Proof" of a scientific theory comes from a preponderance of supporting evidence but is very difficult to achieve in "absolute" terms. And there isn't even a shred of valid supporting evidence, much less a preponderance, for Kenny's hobby theory. (Which actually doesn't even rise to the level of a "theory" at all; it's more like a haphazard bundle of inconsistent conjectures with little correspondence to any reality.)
I'm still laughing about the "free energy" from the Bismuth sphere. That whole affair shows very clearly where the gaps are in Wheeler's reasoning, logic, use and understanding of his instruments, his poor experimental technique with lack of proper controls, and so on, including his reluctance to accept reality and his inability to admit his errors.
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 14, 2015, 01:52:12 AM
That's not quite right. Producing the Cherenkov radiation from a magnet will not be "absolute confirmation"; it's a formal fallacy to think so. "If A then B; observe B.... therefore A" is fallacious reasoning called "Affirming the consequent". If Kenny's theory is correct, then under certain conditions producing CR from a magnet will result. Observe CR from the magnet... you can't therefore conclude that Kenny's theory is correct.
However, you are right about the second part: "If A then B; observe _not B_, therefore Not A." This is valid reasoning (modus tollens). So it's possible to _disprove_ absolutely the Wheeler theory by doing the right experiments with proper controls and finding a null result. However, getting a positive result can only "support" a theory, it cannot prove it. "Proof" of a scientific theory comes from a preponderance of supporting evidence but is very difficult to achieve in "absolute" terms. And there isn't even a shred of valid supporting evidence, much less a preponderance, for Kenny's hobby theory. (Which actually doesn't even rise to the level of a "theory" at all; it's more like a haphazard bundle of inconsistent conjectures with little correspondence to any reality.)
I'm still laughing about the "free energy" from the Bismuth sphere. That whole affair shows very clearly where the gaps are in Wheeler's reasoning, logic, use and understanding of his instruments, his poor experimental technique with lack of proper controls, and so on, including his reluctance to accept reality and his inability to admit his errors.
I especially like the photons of visible light the first sphere was giving off, according to Mr. Wheeler's theory. As is often the case, the evidence to disprove an odd theory is presented within the evidence supposedly supporting that odd theory. ::)
I was attempting to bait Mr. Wheeler into disproving his own theory. ;D
Considering that it takes the highly charged particles produced in a nuclear reactor to produce Cherenkov radiation, Mr. Wheeler would have a difficult time finding a dielectric medium through which his "inertial dielectricity" would exceed the phase velocity of light in that dielectric medium unless he concentrates the magnetic flux quite a bit and separates the Attractive and Repulsive interface fluxes. And of course, they'd have to be charged particles, which they're not.
The very definition of Cherenkov radiation would prove that the particles going through the dielectric medium are indeed charged particles (if Mr. Wheeler could produce Cherenkov radiation with a magnet, which he can't)... but the radiation would, by necessity, be bluish in color with a continuous spectra, no spectral peaks. Obviously, because of the cutoff frequency denoted by cos theta = 1/(nB), x-ray and higher frequencies cannot be detected in this way, but if Wheeler's stating his magnets are giving off energy in that range, he's a greater fool than any of us had previously thought.
Any other frequencies of incident radiation, and he's looking at Askaryan radiation, a subset of Cherenkov radiation as a result of uncharged entities (I'm loathe to call them "particles" as an abstract construct, for fear Mr. Wheeler latches onto that single word as his "disproof" of the entire process). That'll be up around 5 GHz if he's using sand as the dielectric, or 2 GHz for ice. But he'll need to concentrate magnetic flux tremendously to get the energy level necessary to manifest Askaryan radiation, even more so than for Cherenkov radiation.
Or, he could defer to the research that's already been done:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ex/0011001.pdf
They used photons to detect Askaryan radiation. Virtual photons, being photons themselves, would give a similar result.
Of course, since he says magnetic material is "dielectric" in nature, that would mean that all magnets are already giving off Askaryan radiation if the magnet is of sufficient strength... and he's got some of the most powerful magnets available to the public. Has he ever measured any radio frequency radiation coming off his magnets? I'm betting no.
Ergo, magnets are not "dielectrics", they do not give off "inertial dielectricity". They are ferromagnets (a scientifically descriptive name encompassing an explanation), and are mediated via virtual photons. Just as QM has said for a quite some time.
The ULTIMATE answer is that a vortex is 100% correct not matter what bullshit your mind thinks! Even in the math...1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0 down to a vortex of 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0 and this is a repetitive cycle...all computer CPUs are govenred by 0's and 1's...with 90% of the number NOT needed! SO! When this element93rd guy is trying to proclaim that only the number 9 is the answer for all, I DON'T BUY IT! I ONLY SEE HIM SEEING THE VORTEX...of his number 9...but he does not realize where that number came from? It did not start from the number 1 to the number 9 all of a sudden? Lol. His fucking number 9 is a vortex! Mmmm 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-? The nine is at the last place of a numeral scale? AS IF 1-8 does not matter but yet those numbers got to the number 9! He fails to see that the number 9 is a vortex!!! IOW, is is a repetition of numerical numbers = a vortex in the math equations.
AS A MATER OF FACT, we all learn from a vortex! If there was no vortex, we would not learn! And so would not the ATOMIC particles! IT IS A LAW THAT ALL PARTICLES ARE GOING IN CIRCLES! DOWN TO A VOID!
This dumbass of element93rd does not see that a magnetic field is a vortex...just as any electromagnetic field is..THE ONLY REASON ONE CAN SEE THE FLOW IS FROM A VORTEX FIELD....the view of seeing a sound regarding a #9 is because it FLOWS down to a number 1! The number 9 would never exist with out the numbers 1-8? SO this is 100% facts to me that a vortex is in everything!
- numbers
- galaxies
- dark matter
- dark energy
- the big bang
ALL IS A VORTEX. = IT IS A LADDER OF ENERGY> vortex + vortex + vortex + vortex + vortex vortex + vortex + vortex + vortex + vortex + vortex = what comes out of the vortex is evolution!
This means that light is a vortex that what is coming out from it is great BUT the light is still a vortex! A photon needs "batteries" to keep on shining! HOW THE FUCK CAN A PHOTON KEEP ON LIVING WITH JUST A NUMBER 9? The photons are going down this vortex of quantum level.......the same reason why UFO's can become invisible!!!!
A 12 hour clock is a vortex 'cause is continues to be a 12 hour clock for infinity! How the hell can't a 9 number not be a nine 4 minutes from now since it is a number? You ONLY learned about the number nine due to a vortex! IF WE ARE GOING DOWN THE MASSIVE BLACK HOLE, lest see you explain NOT! To go down it with your number 9 math?
IFFFF YOU DON'T SHOW ME ANSWERS I NEED TO KICK YOUR ASS! SERIOUSLY! A GOOD ASS KICKING!!! BY the same token, if you show that the number 9 is not a vortex, I would tell my girlfriend to sleep with you if I tell her too.
Lets hear the evidence that the #9 is NOT a vortex! hehehehe
And how the number nine became 9 with out the numbers 1-8?
Minnie, you are here to get a freee energy device? Sorry to tell you that it has already been invented...we are here talking politics (vortex is essential just how the space time curves to itself) lol
Below is a good basic explanation of what I've been saying. I came to the same conclusions by reading a *lot* of research papers. Kind of wish I'd found this long ago, it would have jump-started my quest for knowledge a bit. I arrived at my conclusions without knowing any of the terminology, nor any of the scientific underpinnings of physical phenomena, nor any of the math, nor even where to find any of the information... so it was a process of just searching a lot and figuring things out.
https://archive.org/stream/WhatIsAMagneticField/mfield_djvu.txt
http://www.oocities.org/dsligar.geo/mfield.html
https://ia601409.us.archive.org/27/items/WhatIsAMagneticFieldRev.April22010/mfield.pdf
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What is the frequency of a permanent magnet's field?
F.A. Wilson explains in his book, From Atoms To Amperes (Bernard Babani publishing, London England c 1989) that in the case of the electromagnetic force, the exchange particle is the photon, and that from Einstein's and Planck's formula arises a relationship between the mass of a photon and the frequency of the light (visible or not) it represents.
Planck's formula: E=hf where:
E is the energy of a single photon,
f is the photon's frequency,
h is Planck's constant,
Einstein's formula: E=mc2 where:
E is energy,
m is mass,
c2 is the speed of light squared,
hence, hf=mc2
thus showing that the mass of a photon is directly proportional to the frequency of the photon.
E=hf and E=mc2 so hf=mc2
Therefore, f=(mc2)/h
Because higher frequencies have more energy (E=hf), they deliver more mass (E=mc2). Einstein understood that light quanta (photons) are a mass transfer mechanism. The flux quanta (flowing particles) or photon exchange frequency is thus mass in motion and is the force of a magnetic field. The frequency and number of photons exchanged must be extremely high to exert physical attraction or repulsion.
The implication is that the frequency creates a force that is a physical mass connection, hf=mc2. Different magnet compounds should have different frequencies since photons are emitted/absorbed by electrons. If an electron is throwing out a stream of photons while orbiting/spinning, you can visualize a corkscrew or helix stream of photons!
A photons wavelength is measured as a distance along a line through the center of the helix in one revolution around the helical trajectory. A flat projection side view of a helix looks like a sine wave.
Low frequency photons (such as radio waves) are often described in terms of wavelength (units in meters), while high frequency photons (such as
gamma particles) are often described in terms of particle mass energy (units in electron volts). As you increase the energy by increasing the frequency, you wind up with photons of more measurable mass. At the high frequency end of the electromagnetic spectrum are high energy photons known as gamma rays, which are streams of gamma particles. Beta particles are free electrons or positrons. Alpha particles are the nucleus of helium atoms.
In everyday life, you can understand that energy is proportional to frequency if you understand a concrete hammer drill will deliver more energy to the drill hole if it hammers at a frequency of 10 strokes per second instead of 1 stroke per second.
Is a magnet losing mass by emitting a field?
Stick a magnet to the bottom of a metal shelf. Watch it defy gravity. If it is defying gravity, it must be expending energy. By E=mc2 it must be losing mass!
One may object to this by stating there is mass displacement, therefore work, and energy loss, but the flux quanta (flowing particles) of the magnetic field is an unobvious mass displacement itself.
Akira Tonomura's article on Electron Holography (Physics Today, April, 1990), contains a photo of magnetic vortices labeled "Seeing flux quanta" and states "Where two oppositely directed magnetization streams merge, they produce vortices similar to merging streams of water." Akira Tonomura is a winner of the Benjamin Franklin Medal for Physics.
Theoretical physicist and Nobel laureate Sheldon Glashow explains for PBS NOVA online (Einstein's Big Idea, October 11, 2005) that, "When an object emits light, say, a flashlight, it gets lighter." It has been calculated that every second, the Earth is struck by about 4.5 pounds of sun light.
Do magnets evaporate like black holes?
I find it interesting that iron (a strongly magnetic element) is the most massive element that can be produced during the fusion phase of a star's life. It takes a supernova to create all the elements beyond iron in the periodic table. A star's fusion phase starts with hydrogen and stops at iron which has the most tightly bound and thus most stable nucleus of all the elements. Iron 56 is at the top of the binding energy curve. On the curve, hydrogen is at the bottom to the left of iron, and the heavy elements such as uranium are at the bottom to the right of iron. I've seen one book that stated nickel 56 is really at the top of the binding energy curve. It is interesting that many meteorites are made of ferromagnetic elements, iron and nickel, blown out by stars that went supernova! Iron and nickel, with their tightly bound nucleus, seem to give virtual photons (flux quanta) a better grip for magnetic attraction when passing through.
The relative abundances of the elements in the periodic table drops off tremendously after nickel because supernova are relatively rare events in the history of our 13.75 billion year old universe.
A star with enough mass near the end of its fusion phase can go supernova, and may leave behind a neutron star, or a black hole, depending on the mass available. Certain magnetic rapidly rotating neutron stars, known as Magnetars, are believed to produce the strongest magnetic fields in the universe. A black hole is an object of such dense mass that it creates a gravitational field so strong that the escape velocity exceeds the speed of light! If black holes have a magnetic field, and it can get out, this seems to imply that virtual photons (flux quanta) can travel faster than the speed of light! Black holes may evaporate by a process known as Hawking radiation (named after Stephen Hawking who theorized it). Black holes may also evaporate by quantum tunneling. Quantum tunneling is when a particle penetrates a barrier which it ought not have enough energy to penetrate.
Where is the mass of these virtual photons from a magnet?
Force carrying photons are called virtual photons because unlike other real photons, they cannot be directly detected by a particle detector. In Feynman diagrams, virtual photons are symbolized by squiggly lines that never have loose ends. Magnetic lines of force curve back to the magnet and never have loose ends. This topology seems to imply there are no magnetic monopole particles. Virtual photons may be concentrated along magnetic lines of force (flux lines), which may be mass entanglements. Einstein stated, "The particle can only appear as a limited region in space in which
the field strength or the energy density are particularly high". The energy density is strongest where the lines of force are around a magnet, so that is
where the most virtual photons should be.
The range of electromagnetic force is thought to be infinite. The strength or intensity of an electromagnetic field decreases at a rate of 1 /distance2 . This equation holds true for light from a point source, but not for force from a magnet which drops off at faster rates. This is probably because virtual photons from a magnet are following the flux lines and not traveling in straight lines like photons from a light bulb. You can measure force from magnets with a ruler and a grocery scale.
Could it be that force carrying virtual photons cannot be detected because they are in another dimension? Could their mass be smeared around the universe in another small dimension, with only force detectable in our normal size visible dimensions? (Magnetism as invisible plumbing behind our reality, non-locality, like Einstein's spooky action at a distance via EPR channels.) The Aharonov-Bohm effect also seems to demonstrate non-local effects.
The October 12, 1999 Time Travel episode of PBS's NOVA showed photons traveling at 1 .7 times the speed of light via quantum tunneling. This faster than light communication may imply travel through another dimension. A short distance traveled at the speed of light in a very small dimension could appear as a large distance traveled faster than the speed of light in our normal size visible dimensions. Quantum tunneling may be direct evidence of the other hidden dimensions in string theory.
Do the lines of force have a physical reality?
The magnetic lines of force have tension, as demonstrated by a magnet being suspended in air below a type-2 superconductor. The conventional explanation for this is flux pinning in the superconductor. The magnet hanging below the superconductor will swing back and forth on the tension of its flux lines (lines of force) which are somehow partly pinned in and partly expelled from the superconductor.
Flux line tension is the basis for proposals and research to use magnetic fields as solar wind sails to propel spacecraft. The force of the solar wind pushes against the magnetic field, and the tension of the flux lines transfers the force back to the spacecraft, dragging it through space like a sailing ship.
Does a magnet slow time?
Nobel prize winner Richard Feynman explains in his sum over histories interpretation of Quantum Mechanics that photons go where time is least. They follow the path of least time. Generally, this is a straight line, from point A to point B, if the effects of gravity and small constrictions are excluded. Einstein showed that gravity slows time, and that acceleration produces the same effects as gravity. Astronomers have observed that gravity bends light. Physicists have proven with atomic clocks and airplanes that gravity slows time. Clocks run slower at lower altitudes where gravity is stronger. Time is least (flows more slowly) where gravity is most. Gravity bends light because the photons are seeking or are pulled toward a path of least time, which is a path of more gravity! This space time curvature is the essence of General Relativity. Because we are talking about photons, this is also a link between Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity.
Could it be that virtual photons from a magnet follow the magnetic lines of force because this is their path of least time? Could it be that a magnet slows time by accelerating photons? Einstein asked himself the question: If gravity and acceleration feel the same, perhaps they are the same.
Kip Thome explains in his book, Black Holes and Time Warps that the electromagnetic field of an object contributes to the gravity of the object, because mass and energy are equivalent. Brian Greene explains in his book, The Elegant Universe (a 3 part PBS NOVA, Oct. 28, Nov. 4, 2003) that Maxwell's equations for the electromagnetic field are relativistic. This implies that an electromagnetic or magnetic field changes the rate at which time flows. The combined ideas of fields, quantum particles, and relativity produce what is known as relativistic quantum field theory.
Note the blurb above:
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Because higher frequencies have more energy (E=hf), they deliver more mass (E=mc2). Einstein understood that light quanta (photons) are a mass transfer mechanism. The flux quanta (flowing particles) or photon exchange frequency is thus mass in motion and is the force of a magnetic field.
That photons are a mass transfer mechanism is why we have "virtual particles" popping in and out of existence, and why it's possible to concretize mass from the QVZPE field. Constructive interference of QVZPE field wave modes generates a "wave" energetic enough to temporarily concretize mass. That energy is then "smeared" out over a longer space and time as the concretized virtual mass is subsumed back into the QVZPE field.
As an analogy, think of a bathtub. You fill it half full. At 3/4 full, you put a shelf that has holes in it. Then you start making waves. Eventually, constructive wave interference will generate a wave large enough to reach high enough to throw some water on that shelf. As soon as the water gets onto the shelf, it starts draining back down. The water level is the QVZPE field, the waves are the QVZPE field modes constructively interfering, the shelf is our reality.
So there must be an energetic hurdle the QVZPE field must get over in order to concretize mass, so most of those particles are transitory in nature.
Can someone check my premise and math?
The QVZPE field has been measured with an energy density of 6 × 10E
-10 J/m
3, or 3.74490548E
10 eV/m
3.
We know the element with the lowest ionization energy is Cesium, at 3.897 eV. So it's closest to "self-destructing" if hit with enough energy.
We know that Cs has an atomic radius of 260 pm (empirically measured). Thus, we could pack 38,461,538,461 Cs atoms along each axis of a cubic meter.
Thus, we'd have 5.68957669E
31 Cs atoms per cubic meter, and a total ionization energy for the cubic meter of Cs of 2.17228038E
32 eV/m
3.
Thus, if we suddenly see all the Cs in the world spontaneously destructing, we'll know the QVZPE field radiation pressure has reached at least 2.17228038E
32 eV/m
3.
That gives us 3.817999 eV that the QVZPE field would have to increase to ionize Cs. Thus, the QVZPE field is at or less than 0.079001 eV.
So apparently the virtual particles that pop into existence are the result of constructive interference that tremendously increases QVZPE field density in a very localized region, forcing those virtual particles into existence briefly before the constructive wave interference collapses, allowing the virtual particles to disappear back into the QVZPE field.
I believe this is somewhat akin to the bathtub and shelf analogy I presented above, it "smooths out" or damps the QVZPE wave by "smearing" the energy of those constructively interfering waves over a longer time period as the virtual particle again becomes part of the QVZPE field. for constructively interfering QVZPE field modes that are able to reach the energy level sufficient to momentarily concretize mass.
"Throw every textbook away"
Me and the gal.we make two steaming hot huge mugs of coffie together and we go and sit down in the bedroom,steaming mugs in-hand.we put our mugs down on floor for one minute to allow for cooling.I lift my mug up from floor and begin sipping.she lifts her mug up and brings it to her lips.shock-of-all-shocks all of her coffie is gone,vanished.the whole 400mls.but the mug is still warm! We run around looking for evidence of spillage,but nothing.not a drop in sight on the floor.she leaps into my lap in terror,shivvering.this is a true story.two witnesses.neither witness under narcotic influence.how can physics explain this kind of shit,how,how...how
Obviously your cat likes hot coffee!
no pets back in '97 son.let's hear everyones paranormals testomonials.things that go beyond the physics textbooks but belong in physics textbooks hahaha whooooooooo spoooky vibes
profitis,
"let's hear everyones paranormals testomonials.things that go beyond the physics textbooks but belong in physics textbooks hahaha whooooooooo spoooky vibes"
if you have time to read all 192 pages ( 2940 stories ?
http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/whats-your-best-108202.html (http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/whats-your-best-108202.html)
Kator01
Nice kator.notice the situations where multiple people see the same dimentionary.this forum is also good www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/
I've pushed friends/family away from me daddy! I'm just trying to find my face in the 5th! I'm going into convulsions on the floor! Muahahaha
SCREEEEEEEEECH!
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SCREEEEEEEECH!
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Atom what is this magnetvortex have to do with your off topic diatribe about souls ??
and all the rest of uninteresting opinions of life as everyone has also..
Tell me a story that is related to magnetism and your builds about that....
Now that may be of interest to most people who are seeking information about that topic ....
Acca...
p.s.
So next question is are you nuts ?
QuoteSo its all down to this dielectric theory of a magnet ! That at least is the starting point and the only reasoning to conclude it by is the vortex behaviour of an electrons event horizon. But hat has 2.2 trillion X y particles or as you guys say fields hahah nuts ... Everything is a field of fields with a dielectric as some kind of constant in and around all of them ? But the electron does not orbit as it quantum jumps forming an electron cloud and only the event horizon is spinning at 5 000 000 mph and confirmed ....... So this magnetic vortex for even a small magnet must have a speed way above the 5 000 000 mph . This is where the theory is in big trouble as an electron twice the size of a normal electron would be at 10 000 000 mph... If one has a 8.5 inch magnet its so called vortex is way over the speed of light and the gravity mass of the magnet would have to increase if relativity is correct or special relativity and even quantum mechanics. In fact if this theory is correct everything we know is utter nonsense. There is a point of madness in this theory and after speaking to the fruit and nut job who wrote this book I am finally learning something its called insanity ...........
I don't know about what TA means about the magnetic vortex but I do know that I believe that a vortex has many speeds. Just because it is a vortex, does not mean it is AUTOMATICALLY a constant speed. So EVEN if you watch at your wall clock and follow it's second hand rotation for millions of years while the earth is going down the black space at thousand of miles an hour, you would start to see a rotation in the second hand time lagging since every time the second hand does a 360 degrees, it is never the same in the quantum level.
I think you believe that when one says "vortex", one is talking about galactic stuff only...and this is a perfect example why your theory does not work because WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE DIMENSIONS OF THOUGHT! To try to make a clue out of this chaos. Just like your stinky sweat body has – smell, sight, hearing...plus there is taste too...and lets not forget touch...and also consciousness... either way, a vortex is variable and not constant.
Meh, explain how a baby black hole is born? I'm pretty sure from a vortex of energy! Hmmm, where was the vortex of energy born? = ladder of vortexes = a vortex does NOT have a constant speed. A VORTEX IS LIKE ENERGY SLITHERING ON ENERGY LIKE A SNAKE while still continuing to be a snake...no mater the speed nor size. And vortexes die too. Just like photons or what not. Just like the magnetic field in a magnet...
QuoteMe and the gal.we make two steaming hot huge mugs of coffie together and we go and sit down in the bedroom,steaming mugs in-hand.we put our mugs down on floor for one minute to allow for cooling.I lift my mug up from floor and begin sipping.she lifts her mug up and brings it to her lips.shock-of-all-shocks all of her coffie is gone,vanished.the whole 400mls.but the mug is still warm! We run around looking for evidence of spillage,but nothing.not a drop in sight on the floor.she leaps into my lap in terror,shivvering.this is a true story.two witnesses.neither witness under narcotic influence.how can physics explain this kind of shit,how,how...how
hehehehe this is not 100% conclusive evidence but more about trying to see how tricky the gal is...ONLY believe when your mug is empty profitis...did she put her cup on top of a magnet by accident?
Atom here is one of my old clips from years ago .. what you have shown in the diagram and you are right !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A)[/font]
The black "stone" is an outer space meteor ..
The mirror experiment I will try ..
here is a ref clip for you about dimensional from Warren York.
start at 22:30 about scaler time..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa8vjmMnwPU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa8vjmMnwPU)[/font]
Acca..
Here is a screen shot of Warren York in the 1980's with a photo of a magnetic field the "real one"
Acca....
Still seeing things as two separate polarities will continue to see everywhere polarities and their manifestations as something opposed and not complementary. Still smashing all around you to find the God particle, when in the Universe there is nowhere a single particle, or different polarities besides the ones in the human mind and his way of thinking and shaping second by second the reality accordingly.
Another example of viewing the magnetic field, that I'm sure Ken is aware of:[/size]
"ONLY believe when your mug is empty profitis...did she put her cup on top of a magnet by accident?"
It was the third person that experienced that exact same thing in that room.1st one was me.2nd one was a male friend.3rd one was the girl.when it happened to me I didn't think much of it(hangover).when it happened to the guy he freaked.when it happened to the girl she freaked.there was a mirror in the centre of the room.there were no magnets aside from cables in the walls.this is real shit!
I have posted a conventional explanation to the dis-coloration of metal below, however there is another explanation as to magnetics and Atom is right again, magnetism has a harmonic representation..
What my understanding is that color variation is caused by an "X" particle or a wave that interacts with metals and causes the manifestation of a "magnetic field" as a by product.. When heat is added (very high vibrations) it interacts with the metal atoms, the manifestation of color is the vibration of a magnetic flux which is caused by the "X" component.. Which is unknown..
And known here below is the accepted explanation of that effect .. Which I tend to consider the one above.. again that is "MY belief" not yours !!
Here the colors were caused by, and indicate, the levels of heat. In the photo below, you can see the colors from left to right, right being highest in heat and left being fairly cool. It starts out as silver color steel is normally (not visible in the photo), and then begins as a very light brown, then gets a dull straw color, and gets an intense straw yellow, an almost clear yellow, then goes brown, then a dull purple, then intense purple, then a really dark blue, and progressively gets lighter and lighter blue, then begins to turn back to the regular steel color, and then begins to turn red and glowing.
But what causes the initial coloring, from straw yellow to light blue? When heat is applied to metal, the heat attracts oxygen to the surface, and there they bind together. Heat promotes bonding. When the heat is applied to steel, very small levels of oxygen are bonded to the surface, and create a thin layer of oxide on the surface. Light goes through this semi-transparent layer, (practically microscopic) and bounces off the shiny steel underneath. On it's way out, the light is bounced around a little extra by the layer of iron oxide, and only certain wavelengths get through, and our eyes interpret them as a certain color. As the layer thickens, more or less wavelengths get through, and so the amount of heat can be interpreted through the colors shown on the surface of the metal.
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Here is a clip that was just put up on the 14 of December for Atom..
The video is from Dennis Lee the energy guru from the 1980's who was in prison for two years by making the most efficient
heat pump... and now I will show you that magnets do have energy by his video..
Yeas he was destroyed by the oil and power guys.. and crushed to a nothing of a man..
The bastards wanted him dead...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJy_7AuMwEQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJy_7AuMwEQ)
Acca..
and p.s thanks for the clarification of the magnetic rainbow !!!
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im always amazed when a ridiculous thread gets to be hundreds of pages long....
what exactly is it we are trying to "prove" by claiming that a magnetic vortex exists, or can exist?
by nature of magnetism, any magnetic field, when observed from a perspective outside the field, takes on the shape of a Torus.
Now, by torus, is do not definitively mean a particular symmetry. A field may vary in shape or intensity depending on its source.
But, by definition, the energy flow of the magnetism flows as a torus, through its' center.
There are also complex magnetic tori with multiple axis
if the source of the field is subject to relative motion to the observer, or its internal components
in certain conditions, a magnetic "vortex" could be created.
We can do the same thing with water..... [Flush]
For example, take a ring magnet from a microwave::
embed it into a piece of Styrofoam sufficient enough to float the magnet.
place it upon water, and spin it.
Now, from our perspective, we observe a magnetic vortex traveling in two dimensions, on a single plane
we observe a vortex because the axis of rotation is traveling through space relative to us, the observer.
now, if we fix this magnet in one place, and simply rotate it on that same plane
we find no observable vortex, nor much change in flux at all. almost exactly as if the field were not spinning.
this is because there is no relative motion between the observer and the axis of rotation.
However, look closer, and we find that within the core of the magnet (where the hole is) there is an opposing field domain
that separates not one, but two magnetic torus in an asymmetrical manner. and the domain between these two forms a vortex.
magnetic material placed in this area will spin around and through like you flushed it down the toilet.
So, now let us keep the magnet stationary.
the observable vortex has now diminished completely.
the ring magnet cannot be used for closer analysis because we need a more defined axis of magnetism.
so now lets take a cylindrical magnet is similar strength
here we find that, while at the atomic level, each atom or group of atoms does indeed spin and create a microscopic vortex,
the cumulative result of these vortexes is not observable at a macro scale because they are not synchronous.
each atom is spinning to the tune of its own fiddle. the spins are aligned, which creates a macro scale magnetic moment
but the observable frequency is slightly variant, is only represents the combined radiation of many different spins.
So, how can we make it vortex?
lets look at some of the very rare earth magnets with intensities great enough to
synchronize the average spin of the atoms.
now we have relative motion of the axis from our perspective, and can observe particles spinning at either end of the cylinder magnet.
[Flush]
This is a quality of the magnetic field emanating from physical material, but what about the field itself?
we can create a torus field, like the top of a tesla coil, and if pulsed at a frequency, will create a vortex.
but if we pass through a constant voltage, it will create a stationary field.
here again, we have no relative motion between observer and axis of rotation.
The motion of the field is purely toroidal from our perspective, without rotation.
(a small magnetic gradient can be observed from + to - of the electrical circuit, this can be countered by application of electronic stabilizing equipment)
If we then spin this electrically created magnetic field, much like the spinning magnet, we observe no change in flux
nor any vortex.
unless we allow the spinning field to travel on one or more dimensions, relative to our perspective.
So, how do we change our perspective?
Let's take this torus coil and shrink it down to a very small size, and increase the energy exponentially
such that the field intensity is great enough to overpower not only its surroundings, but the very atomic material of the air inside it.
Now the field domains are interlocked, much like the very strong rare earth magnet.
if we spin this field, now we once again observe the vortex.
[Flush]
We don't need a toilet, we can make vortexes with air too, I think Tesla had a turbine that did this to create spin using compressed air, very efficiently.
Let's recap, the two things we need to make a "magnetic vortex"
1) magnetic field
2) relative motion of axis of spin to observer
A) not all magnetic fields have an observable vortex
B) most spinning things in our universe have a relative motion to wherever we are observing it from.
Note: we may have to change our perspective to observe a vortex.
What are the forces experienced by a compass needle when it's
interacting with the earth's field?
Are the long sides of the needle forced from each side?
I only hope the CycleGuy's chain hasn't come off or something
as he hasn't shown up for a couple of days.
Atom, I'm sure you're on the right track with your harmonics.
No, I'm still here. I've been reading from start to finish of this thread, I'm at page 256 right now, should be caught up in a couple days. It's slow going, because I'm also reading the side threads that others talk about. I'm reading the Karpen Pile thread right now, then I'll resume reading this thread.
Quote from: CycleGuy on December 18, 2015, 11:55:14 PM
No, I'm still here. I've been reading from start to finish of this thread, I'm at page 256 right now, should be caught up in a couple days. It's slow going, because I'm also reading the side threads that others talk about. I'm reading the Karpen Pile thread right now, then I'll resume reading this thread.
Don't hurry too much, you have all time in the world because this topic will reach easy 1000 pages without people understanding something, the same as what happened on Kapanadze topic. There were invested great resources of time, money and will to understand and replicate the Kapanadze device, but they fail because still continue even today to understand his device thinking in the current electromagnetic paradigm. The same will happen here where besides the fact that people don't really want to lean on the Ken's theory and just make useless and malicious remarks about it, everyone who try to understand still try to understand it in the same paradigm of thinking. Wrong premises, wrong development, wrong results!
So, have you (or anybody else) heated up a cup of water using the "ZERO INPUT, ten degrees thermal output genuine free energy" bismuth sphere placed next to a magnet yet? No? Then I guess your faith in Kenny's "theory" isn't really very strong.
Remember...
"It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." -- Richard P. Feynman
Hey element93rd, check this out. The vortex is now true and confirmed...the path of movement of the vortex is where it gathers more energy from. And the death of the vortex is where it looses energy from. It is all a ladder of the DNA of the universe law. And the vortex has more than one exhaust and intake...where it gathers the most energy, is what the vortex becomes....like water is water because it is in a state of the ladder of a vortex...then it turns in to steam and other stuff.
Sound does play a big role but that is because the universe is an electric field (thunder makes a big sound. Space makes sound. your farts make the number 9 sound?) NOT a sound field. What comes first, lighting or sound? Now taking in consideration the vortex of sound and electricity, there MUST be a point where they both exchange information and where sound sub atomic particles become electricity and electricity sub atomic particles become sound...this is a Vortex of atomic particles being at one state in a certain time BUT yet there are changing metamorphosis particles that escape them. And when they stay the same...plastic, glass, wood, flesh, is when they are a balanced vortex! Everything that there is, is a balanced vortex. The unbalance of vortexes is the part where "evolution" happens. And if there is one dimension, there has to be many regarding the vortex. In that scenario, we are a balance dimension where there are many around us dying....giving our dimension FREEE energy to keep on living...but yet, there HAS TO BE other close related dimension like ours no matter what, given the vortex scenario.
So A perfect vortex is an illusion of a clock. A clock does not tell true time...right here it can be 4pm and somewhere else it is 11am...that is not universal time! Only and illusion of time since time is a vortex = time zones = time zones dictated by the speed of orbit/movement = time is an illusion.
Time is only a measurement of time it takes going around a vortex. Just imagine if a photon has a 12hr watch in his/her hand? And then imagine it being constant 100% with out change of velocity? Since there are vortexes, the photon's 12hr watch cannot be an atomic watch. And in humans clocks around the world differ, what makes you think that all watches in a photon are the same when there is curvature in space? So one photon can be here and another over there, while both of their watches measure different times...you can call it different dimensions in the vortex or different places in the curvature of space...two photons cannot be millions of light years away and both of their hand watches say the same time! = time zones even to photons. And then Imagine if there are humans living in an earth that is 100 times bigger than ours...their reference of speed and time would be different...time is an illusion. Time is a measurement of a place in the vortex.
Heck, what is a time clock in AC current? A time clock is only DC cause it does NOT alternate? HENCE the mental measurement of human time is an illusion....actually is just a comfortable way to measure time..but only in one zone. If AC current had a time clock, the second hand would go forward backwards, forward, backwards, with more % forward than backwards. Not how we see the time with our eyes today.
Are we beginning to see the vortex? Not just in magnets but in everything? What about humans? Do you chose to get a wife and make babies? Do you choose to desire ? Do you chose to only be attracted to skinny pretty face females? Did you choose to be a stupid ass? NO! The vortex of life.
The physical world is made of three dimensional electron harmonics.
Electrons give structure to the physical world.
Unfortunately you will finally be led down the quantum path even
if you consider it to be b.s. as of now.
John.
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 19, 2015, 03:37:07 AM
So, have you (or anybody else) heated up a cup of water using the "ZERO INPUT, ten degrees thermal output genuine free energy" bismuth sphere placed next to a magnet yet? No? Then I guess your faith in Kenny's "theory" isn't really very strong.
Remember...
"It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." -- Richard P. Feynman
My faith in any theory is based on my understanding not on my beliefs.
Remember...
"-
Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
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Neo: What truth?
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Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
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Neo: There is no spoon?
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Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself."
--- Matrix
Quote from: sadang on December 20, 2015, 02:59:02 AM
My faith in any theory is based on my understanding not on my beliefs.
Remember...
"- Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
- Neo: What truth?
- Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
- Neo: There is no spoon?
- Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself."
--- Matrix
So a Hollywood movie contains the sum total of your "truth"? I laugh at you and your bent spoons (all of which are hoaxes, as you well know.)
I'd love to see you build and demonstrate something according to your "understanding" that isn't fully accounted for by conventional modern physics. But I won't be holding my breath, because my "understanding" tells me that .... you cannot.
I note well that you completely sidestep the issue of the "ZERO INPUT, ten degrees thermal output
genuine free energy" bismuth sphere placed next to a magnet claim. What does your "understanding" tell you about that claim?
TinselKoala let's not start the same game about which is smarter, that someone else here on this topic tried to play with me. We don't have the same points of reference to play it. I avoided intentionally that phrase to not give rise to a whole pointless polemics. One single point I'll afford to claim here: there is nowhere free energy, than a wrong concept available only in the current scientific paradigm. Everything exists, someone only have to understand how to use it!
And yes, a Hollywood movie contain the total sum of my "truth" in the same measure as the words of Feynman do for you. And I don't laugh at all! Everything is just a matter of reference and perspective!
Sadang you're just too sad, bleating on and on.
Just do something, Kenny's book is mainly history
and pathetic experiments, needs re-doing with a
fraction of the words.
Sadang, get and write a Wikipaedia article based
on Kenny's theory-then a few more of us might be
able to "get it" instead of just yourself and a couple
of others.
Looking forward to see a bit of creative work from
you, famous wouldn't come in to it-you'd be the one
if you could overturn quantum and old Einstein!!,!
minnie, I don't have the ability and I don't like to teach others. In nowadays more than 90% want to learn something to have advantages over others, not to help others or to sacrifice himself for others. This is really sad, not I!
Kenny's book is history for you maybe, for me it is still alive and more valuable than other officially peer-reviewed and accredited theories and books.
What I said to TinselKoala is also available to you and to others who are taught to wait, from me or others like me to overturn something: "We don't have the same points of reference". I'm not interested to overturn something, just trying to deeply understand everything and to shape the immediate reality accordingly. To overturn the current scientific model is a natural fact. Just that and nothing more!
Remember...
- Quorra: Flynn is teaching me about the art of the selfless. About removing oneself from the equation.
--- Tron: Legacy
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Quote from: Nikola Tesla on March 09, 2015, 05:50:17 PM
This appears clearly, if it is first realized that there is no Maxwellian Ether, therefore there can be no transverse oscillation in the medium. The Newtonian theory is in error, because it fails entirely in not being able to explain how a small candle can project (light) with the same speed at the blazing sun, which has immensely higher temperatures (and power). We have made sure by experiment that light propagates with the same velocity irrespective of the character of the source! Such consistency of velocity can only be explained by assuming that it is dependent solely on the 'physical' properties of the (Ether) medium, especially its density and its elastic (potential of) force.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on March 03, 2015, 09:11:57 PM
The absolute inverse of inertia is nothing, which is space. Space is neither a FIELD nor a FORCE, and has no properties,
I'm sure in your mind the conflation of "inverse of inertia" to "nothingness" to "space" makes sense, but in the real world, it is nonsensical in the extreme, Mr. Wheeler, especially in light of your having redefined "inertia" improperly to mean "the opposite of rest".
The opposite of "rest" is not "inertia", as an object has inertia whether it is at rest or it is moving (inertia being defined as the tendency to resist changes in an object's state of motion, even if that 'state of motion' is the state of being at rest)... the opposite of "rest" is "motion", quantified via "momentum"... one would think this would be obvious, Mr. Wheeler.
Inertia doesn't really have an inverse, it's not a transferable property... when you push on an object, you don't impart any inertia to it nor receive any inertia from it. The only time an object's inertia changes is when the mass of that object changes, for massive objects.
For massless entities, given that energy and momentum are proportional under the General Relativity rule, the only time a massless entity's inertia changes is when the frequency of that entity changes or the direction of that entity changes... the energy-momentum (and hence the mass-energy) equivalency for massless entities is the reason black holes were predicted to exist before we actually empirically observed any, why gravity can bend light (gravitational lensing), and why light under the influence of gravity changes frequency (blue-shifts as it goes down the slope of a gravity well, red-shifts at it climbs out of that gravity well).
But then, you also deny mass-energy equivalency, which I've proven to be one of your more egregious fundamental misconceptions.
Given that what you state in the quote above is diametrically opposed to what you quoted Tesla himself as having said, do you really feel comfortable with your grasp of the fundamentals of Tesla's theories, Mr. Wheeler? It appears you have fundamental conceptual errors with even simple and commonly known scientific definitions, let alone what Tesla was trying to teach the world.
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Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 11:55:24 PM
"what something IS, and what its ATTRIBUTE/PROPERTY IS"
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on April 04, 2015, 10:02:29 PM
Property and Principle are both the same thing
You wouldn't be reifying attributes as principles, would you, Mr. Wheeler?
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on August 22, 2014, 01:04:41 AM
idiots like HighforMiles and Picobrain have reified attributes AS principles.
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 14, 2015, 03:14:14 AM
Light has a QUALITY (property of) of 'particle LIKE' properties....
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 19, 2015, 05:36:20 AM
PROPERTY is the law of PRINCIPLES
QUALITY is the realm of relationalists
QUANTITY is the realm of bean counters
So ATTRIBUTE = PROPERTY = PRINCIPLE = QUALITY... until you say it doesn't. Got it.
If you're going to play fast and loose with your definitions, Mr. Wheeler, you're going to create the impression that you struggle to understand commonly defined words, which brings into question whether you're capable of understanding anything of more substance than those mere definitions.
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GOOD CYCLE!
This needed someone like you to give Kelly den adel a run for his money.
He'd never really enter into a meaningful debate and just was a bully.
Was Einstein an idiot? Is Quantum bullshit, these are the questions I need
answering.
As far as I can tell special relativity can be explained by logic and several
people were about there at the same time but for me general relativity is
a couple of steps too far.( I haven't attempted to study it).
As for quantum I feel from what bit I've read it must be sound, there's
just too much evidence for it to be dismissed.
I haven't found inertia to be a piece of cake either.
John.
A hint for those on the road of redefining their references and way of thinking:
"I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties. He has not, but only attributes and these are of our own making. Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view." - New York Herald Tribune (11 September 1932)
Another hint is the following:
Inertia is an intrinsic property of motion and not of matter, and it has no meaning outside of the concept of motion. If all these have no meaning ask yourself no others why!
Now develop further about what is space and what is dielectric inertial plane, and how they relate to each other.
Knowledge is universal, understanding is individual!
Unfortunately it's your head that's empty,Sadang.
There's another Wheeler out there and space is
"Quantum Foam" so it's not empty.
Do your homework,Sadang.
John.
Finally! I've thought long and hard about Sadang's hints directed my way.
At last I've got it. It's a case of the Emperor's new clothes. You put forward
a theory, as daft as you like, make up a few terms that'll baffle most, no
need for peer reviews or sticking to first principles and bingo. Then you
can tell everyone that they're idiots because most won't understand a word
of it and they can't ever disprove any of it
John.
Nice to see this quote from Sadang.
"We don't have the same points of reference"
Obviously Sadang does respect the basics of relativity.
John.
Obviously we don't have the same point of references but is obvious that I respect other opinions regardless of whether my head is empty or not! Can you say the same about you?
Kelly den adel says if you go out into space stars are no longer visible.
Is this really true?
John.
If the thing about not seeing stars is really true then I can
really begin to take Kelly very seriously.
My whole idea is to try and "bait" others into joining in the
debate.
John.
Trouble is Sadang you just don't appear to have a sense of humour.
Take old Atom for example, he's a laugh a minute!!!
Hahahahahaha.
Quote from: minnie on December 21, 2015, 06:07:49 PM
Kelly den adel says if you go out into space stars are no longer visible.
Is this really true?
John.
No.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-m4pPGIPZg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvWKBFMw9Bs
These people must think that all the images we have from the Hubble space telescope, other space telescope satellites, and the SDO and the STEREO and other solar observing satellites, are faked. And of course the planetary probes which use star-fixes for navigation in their journeys all around the Solar system .... well, those are fakes too, aren't they.
Of course they will say that this video from NASA is also faked, or maybe the ISS is just not really "in space".
(Skip ahead to 3:10 or so)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWBnF4MuhIM
It's easy to "prove" your point when you can simply claim that all contrary evidence is "fake", as Dollard and Lindeman and the others do. However, what these people are actually proving is that they are ignorant of the real facts of optics, photography, astronomy, space exploration and general physics, and/or have their own agendas to push for their own ego-glorification.
Quote from: minnie on December 21, 2015, 06:39:17 PM
Trouble is Sadang you just don't appear to have a sense of humour.
Take old Atom for example, he's a laugh a minute!!!
Hahahahahaha.
Here you are right, I lost years ago the sense of humour. That because I laughed enough in my youth, until I discovered that everything around us is a big lie, as are these images with visible stars from space. Another lie, even if in reality is only a half of lie. For me and other with common sense of truth is a very dangerous lie, more dangerous than a direct lie. Neil Armstrong said clearly that space is completely black in his bbc interview from 1970, but there will be plenty of "smart" people to counter and argue against.
I'll not ignore being misquoted, so I'm responding to your post. Don't think this will become a regular thing. You've demonstrated that you just say whatever happens to pop into your head, regardless of whether it makes any sense. So please allow me to correct you, then continue ignoring you. :D
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 21, 2015, 07:28:04 PM
Cycle guy said that light slows down as it travels towards gravity and you know he might be right ???
No, I said light under the influence of gravity changes
frequency (blue-shifts as it goes down the slope of a gravity well, red-shifts at it climbs out of that gravity well).
The
speed of light is related to the optical density of the medium through which the light is traveling. Even in a vacuum (such as outer space), there is a "medium" through which light must travel... the QVZPE (Quantum Vacuum Zero Point Energy) field.
The QVZPE field imparts the speed "limit" to light based upon the QVZPE field radiation pressure (keeping in mind that energy density is analogous to mass density under SR's mass-energy equivalency). Thus, the QVZPE field is what is responsible for relativistic mass.
Similarly, the QVZPE field imparts non-relativistic mass. All matter rejects QVZPE field modes longer than its radius (as proven experimentally and mathematically). This rejected QVZPE field radiation pressure is exactly equal to the mass of that matter under the mass-energy equivalency concept.
Similarly, the QVZPE field is what underpins the stability of all matter... the non-rejected QVZPE field modes impart a minimum energy level below which the electron cannot go. This sets the number of De Broglie waves in the electron's orbit at a minimum which is high enough to prevent the electronegative electron from "crashing into" the electropositive proton(s) in the nucleus.
The rejected QVZPE field modes, being "out-of-phase" with the orbital frequency of the electron, impinge upon the electron and impart energy to it as well... but the effect is to cause electron precession (ie: it makes the electron orbit more chaotic), necessitating that we use quantum superposition as a mathematical means of estimating the electron's most probable position in its orbit at any given time. If we could damp those out-of-phase QVZPE field modes, we'd find the electron orbit to be a nice, steady, uniform orbit without precession. This is what happens to some degree in a magnet... the electrons in orbit about their nuclei in the bulk of the magnet experience a damping of the "out-of-phase" QVZPE field modes, thus contributing to the coherency of the Larmor radiation the electrons throw off because their orbits are less chaotic. A second (and the largest) contributing factor to Larmor radiation coherency is the intrinsic molecular makeup of the magnet which locks the atoms in parallel (and thus aligns electron spins). This coherent Larmor radiation is what we perceive as a magnetic field outside the magnet.
You'll note we must force a magnet to become a magnet. It doesn't happen spontaneously because the internal energy of a magnet is higher than the ground energy state for that magnetic material. In so creating a magnet, what we're doing is setting up a time imparity in the magnet (because the magnetism we use in creating the magnet stresses the QVZPE field and thus affects space-time, which is locked into place because of the intrinsic molecular makeup of the magnet... so you might say a magnet is ditemporal, but definitely not dielectric as Wheeler claims), allowing the magnet to experience a simultaneous (from our perspective) time-shifted (from the magnet's perspective) energy over-abundance and energy deficit, which causes the magnet to throw off / take in virtual photons to / from the QVZPE field. Because of the weak material we have to work with, some of the magnetic domains unpin and flip to relieve the internal energy of the magnet, creating in essence two opposing "internal" magnets within each conventional magnet. This all combines to give us the centripetal and centrifugal interfaces on each pole face.
The Bloch Wall (what Wheeler incorrectly calls the "inertial dielectric plane") is merely where these two "internal" magnets mutually cancel their magnetic moments... that Bloch Wall region has canted domains away from the two predominant domain directions. Thus the Bloch Wall region has an effectively random magnetic orientation, and thus can be considered "unmagnetized". This random magnetic orientation throws off / draws in Larmor radiation to / from the QVZPE field (just as at the pole faces), which induces some of the magnetic lines of flux to arch between the Bloch Wall and pole faces. If we were to wrap the Bloch Wall region in bismuth or some other diamagnetic material to counter the canted domains there, we'd see that the Larmor radiation is thrown out via the centrifugal interface on a pole face, is subsumed into the QVZPE field (the virtual photons which make up the Larmor radiation and which thus mediate magnetism being a component of the QVZPE field), then we'd see virtual photons coming out of the QVZPE field and being pulled into the centripetal interface on that same pole face, with
no lines of flux arching from one pole face to the other, nor any lines of flux arching from either pole face to the Bloch Wall region.
What accounts for "positive" and "negative" particles? As near as I can figure, it has to do with the manner in which that matter is rejecting the QVZPE field modes, and which modes it rejects. Picture a sinusoidal standing wave pattern as an analogy to a QVZPE field mode... the electron would be riding along the negative 'troughs' of the sinusoidal wave pattern, whereas the proton would be riding along the positive 'peaks' of the sinusoidal wave pattern. Thus, the energy the electron receives from those rejected QVZPE field modes impinging upon it is negative, and the energy the proton receives from those rejected QVZPE field modes impinging upon it is positive. Of course, the electron and proton being different sizes, different QVZPE field modes would be impinging on each. That's the best analogy I can come up with from my reading of QM, QED, SED, and SR. I'm still uncertain as to
why matter acts in this way, but I'll uncover it eventually.
Back to the speed of light: If we were able to block QVZPE field radiation pressure (as in a Casimir cavity), we would see the speed of light increase (experimentation proves this out). Similarly, if we lower QVZPE field radiation pressure by placing two strong magnets opposite-pole to opposite-pole (N to S), the speed of light between those two magnets increases. Concomitant with this, because the QVZPE field radiation pressure
causes "space", when the QVZPE field is partially blocked, we see space shrink.
That covers the underlying cause of space itself. The reason we conjugate space and time into space-time is because time is merely a way of keeping track of the growing isotropy of that QVZPE field-induced space. It is a measure of the differential in the remaining anisotropy of the QVZPE field between two frames of reference (past, present).
This is the same reason that two magnets placed like-pole to like-pole (N to N, or S to S) and dropped from a height fall slower than a control object of the same size and weight... the magnets increase QVZPE field density, which slows time and increases space in the local frame of the magnets, thus giving the perception that the magnets fall slower. Conversely, magnets opposite-pole to opposite-pole (N to S) fall faster because they decrease QVZPE field density, speed up time and decrease space in the local frame of the magnets, thus giving the perception that the magnets fall faster.
We cannot fully block QVZPE field radiation pressure (we lack the materials to do so), but if we could, the speed of light would go to infinity and there would be no "space" in the region lacking QVZPE field radiation pressure when viewed from the perspective of that "space"... although from our perspective outside of that space, the dimensions of that space would remain unchanged. Similarly, in that no-QVZPE field radiation pressure environment, matter would electron-capture decay up the Periodic Table and back into energy.
The above is part and parcel of Mr. Wheeler's fundamental misconception about space, which he says has no attributes. He's wrong. Space has one eternal and immutable attribute... it is filled with QVZPE field radiation pressure... because it
is the QVZPE field.
He is correct in saying that space is "posterior" to the QVZPE field, given that it is the QVZPE field radiation pressure which creates space (and which is causing our universe to expand, given that mass is continually being converted to energy in stars, then entropying and becoming part of the QVZPE field, which increases QVZPE field radiation pressure... the universe has only two options to relieve that pressure... either concretize mass or expand space. Given that the QVZPE field is a magnetohydrodynamic fluid, a cold plasma (plasma being the most prevalent form of universal matter by volume and mass. Every star is plasma, for instance.), and given that some of the QVZPE field modes are above the plasma frequency, those field modes can travel faster than c (a well-known plasma phenomenon), which also happens to account for universal expansion at greater than c).
That is the sum total of my understanding of the universe to date. I'm attempting to learn more, but as I dive into the mathematics of it, I must learn as I go, so it's slow going.
As I said, I don't dispute Mr. Wheeler's observations. Mainly because they're not his observations at all... he's merely rehashed and (poorly) redefined Tesla theory, Russell theory, Dollard theory, Shauberger theory, Circlon theory, taken a few points from other odd hobby theories, and QM, while sprinkling in several glaring conceptual errors to add to the hilarity and confusion that is Wheelerism.
I dispute his redefining everything that QM has already defined (despite his claims that QM hasn't defined some of it, which they have... a field being one such example), bashing QM (which has been able to mathematically model our universe to an astounding degree of accuracy and predict years in advance phenomena we are only now able to empirically observe), and his attempting to paint himself as some sort of discoverer of anything when all he's really done is redefined (poorly, in some cases) what QM already knew. I further dispute his erroneous conclusions based upon his poor redefinitions of the underlying precepts of QM, said erroneous conclusions mostly coming about due to his conceptual errors and overarching unteachable hubris.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 21, 2015, 07:28:04 PM
The speed of light inside the galaxy has a speed limit but the galaxy has the opposite effect no speed limit ... What this is telling me is that time and space don't exist outside the galaxy and all that we are observing out side our galaxy might be completely wrong ! There is no space time outside the galaxy hahahahahahah wowowowowowow ..... That's it !!!!!!! That's why the galaxy is no falling to bits hahahahah There is nothing for it to fall into ,,, hahahah
What a bunch of idiots we are hahahahah its all wrong all the maths is wrong and the really odd thing is what looks like it is accelerating is in fact slowing down hahahahahahahahahahahh
Time stops as you leave the edge of the galaxy and starts again when you re entre the galaxy ........ OH DEAR HAHAHAHAHAHAH THEY HAVE GOT IT ALL WRONG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH WOW .........
If we were out side of the galaxy we would see that the galaxies are all slowing down its all this quantum madness that they cant get round because they keep thinking of space time as the same as a clock ..... In the everything of probabilities theory which is where they are now they have to let go of the clock when they leave the galaxy !
What happens when you add into all the equations a constant of noting or the ingredient of a primary ingredient and that has to be nothing everything came from nothing ...... And that is where it is all going ! There is no time or space and that is why all these mad quantum effects take place ! What we see is in fact only what is possible to see, because we are made of the very stuff that we see ... We can only see our own dimensional reference and time is the only construct that can fit into all the dimensions so we cant see time in other dimensions ...
I bet you that you can not make a quantum leap if you are outside a galaxy ! There is no quantum mechanics out side a galaxy and now we balance relativity with quantum mechanics Einstein is right if he lived outside a galaxy ..... All the observations would be different ! What we are looking for as dark energy is in fact only time ! There is no dark energy needed ! Its all a balancing act of nothing and everything and we never include nothing as an equal to everything ............
We must always include nothing as an equal to everything or quantum mechanics would not work ! The particles are not teleporting as there is no time or space out side the atoms they come from !!! Its the same thing as if we stand out side the galaxy ... That's why I know why I am right .............. hahahahah
This resolves everything and when we leave our body there is no time or space to worry about hahahaha do you see my point ???????????
And gravity is the opposite of inflation its not real, it has nothing to hold on to hahahahahahahah There is no gravity Only mass from one galaxy that can affect mass from another galaxy ! We just need to make a space craft that works in the same way ! There is no fabric between galaxies .. But it still does not explain how a ghost with no energy can levitate a stone or a table or is it because it has no energy ? hahahahah how can we make a zero energy field ????????????????
This is a perfect example of you just saying whatever happens to pop into your head, regardless of whether it makes any sense.
Quote from: sadang on December 22, 2015, 03:38:55 AM
Here you are right, I lost years ago the sense of humour. That because I laughed enough in my youth, until I discovered that everything around us is a big lie, as are these images with visible stars from space. Another lie, even if in reality is only a half of lie. For me and other with common sense of truth is a very dangerous lie, more dangerous than a direct lie. Neil Armstrong said clearly that space is completely black in his bbc interview from 1970, but there will be plenty of "smart" people to counter and argue against.
So tell me straight out. Do you believe that the Hubble Space Telescope images of stars, galaxies and other astronomical objects like planetary nebulae are faked? Do you believe that the imagery of the Sun coming down from the Solar Dynamic Observatory and the STEREO satellites are faked?
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 22, 2015, 08:00:34 AM
Do you believe that the Hubble Space Telescope images of stars, galaxies and other astronomical objects like planetary nebulae are faked? Do you believe that the imagery of the Sun coming down from the Solar Dynamic Observatory and the STEREO satellites are faked?
I think I understand your argument and what you want to tell people who deceive themselves because they have no idea about what is already known.
But let's be a bit philosophical (and I do not want to support crazy people who make insupportable claims, like your proverbial flying ponies). I want to remind you of the endless debate (in philosophy) of "reality", see for example
http://www.peterrussell.com/Reality/RHTML/R2.php (http://www.peterrussell.com/Reality/RHTML/R2.php)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism)
http://www.livescience.com/38234-is-reality-real-or-not.html (http://www.livescience.com/38234-is-reality-real-or-not.html)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality)
It becomes very mind boggling to discuss "reality".
So, are the images from the Hubble Space Telescope "real"? At least they are "consistent", which means that you will see about the same if you take the image a bit later. The universe as seen by the Hubble Space Telescope is not shifting in a disturbing way, like you see stars today and green snakes tomorrow and only spirals yesterday.
I think, the only thing to expect from science or any "way of looking around you" is a certain consistency. This means mostly that things make sense to you, that you can derive meaningful actions which benefit you. But that is about all. You will never know if it is an "illusion" or "reality".
But may be it does not matter whether it is an illusion or not. You could not do anything about it.
You are right to demand "consistency" from people who make strange claims and who see lies everywhere, but "reality" is too much to demand and to claim. Inconsistent ideas are useless, because no meaningful actions can be derived. Unreal things could be consistent and useful.
Greetings, Conrad
I didn't ask whether the images are "real", I asked whether sadang, (or anyone else who wants to chime in) believes that they are faked.
You can put a lot of philosophical words in between "reality" and the display on your computer screen of a false-color, contrast-enhanced image taken from the CCD sensors of a telescope camera and radioed to receivers on Earth to be decoded from a bitstream consisting only of high and low electrical values. That isn't really the issue here.
People are making the claim that stars, the Sun, and so on cannot be seen from space. There is considerable evidence that they _can_ indeed be seen from space. I am asking if those people really actually believe that this evidence is faked.
Yes they are faked by our technology and our way of interpreting their manifestation, or at least they are misleading the people - through their over usage - to think stars look as they are presented on TV. And things are not that at all. If you don't believe me ask Neil.
However Neil, Kely, Peter, Tom and others including me here, just say the stars can not be seen in the outer space by human eyes not by its technological extensions.
But would be great if we can come back with discussion to Ken's magnetism and his dielectric inertial plane. This is his topic and should respect its work, regardless we agree or not with it.
Quote from: sadang on December 22, 2015, 11:46:07 AM
However Neil, Kely, Peter, Tom and others including me here, just say the stars can not be seen in the outer space by human eyes not by its technological extensions.
Let's just believe for a moment what the great Lindeman says about light. Even if that is true, one sees the starts in space because the lens in our eyes "difracts" the light. Or the screen of a space helmet or the lens in a camera. Or the water in the retina cells if you want to go as far as the retina. Or the molecules on the film or in a charged coupled device (electronic camera).
So, for me, this theory is not consistent. But you may believe it, if that pleases you. It is a rather harmless believe. It would be much more dangerous if you believed that you can fly if you stepped off a high roof.
The real philosophical and biological question is, what the brain or the mind makes out of the electrical impulses coming from the retina. The "image" you "see" in your mind is the thing you have to wonder about. What ever you see, whatever you hear and whatever you sense, taste and feel is interpreted by your mind. And how accurate is this interpretation? It must be pretty accurate, because many people survive until they are very old. And most people manage the daily chores without problems.
So, your mind might distort the sensory input to your brain or mind, but the distortion does not prohibit a successful life. I conclude from that: whatever distortion or interpretation happens, it is not bad or counter productive. It must be a pretty good interpretation of reality or all would die after a few days of misinterpreting the world around us.
Well, there are people who misinterpret reality. If they do not die, some get medication, some end up in a mental hospital
and quite a lot show up in this forum.
Greetings, Conrad
Let's just believe what Neil Amstrong said about stars. I'm sure you don't have other arguments than theoretic ones, while he say about what he saw not what he suppose it can be seen in the outer space. Try to explain him about how his eyes work and expose your arguments maybe he will retreat what he said then and is now publicly available.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtdcdxvNI1o&t=17
And let me subscribe 100% to your last sentence.
Sincerely,
SaDAng
Quote from: sadang on December 22, 2015, 02:52:56 PM
Let's just believe what Neil Amstrong said about stars.
May be it is just urban legend or a misinterpretation of his words or just a lie or Neil Amstrong was not really in his best health when he said that.
So many possibilities and rather shaky reports. We will not clarify that in this forum. Neil Amstrong died in 2012, so we can not ask him any more.
There are a huge number of reports that stars (light) can be seen in space. One can always claim that all these reports are lies. But it is very unlikely. Why would anyone want to uphold such a lie? What would be the purpose of it?
But I will never convince you, so I stop.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 22, 2015, 03:24:06 PM
.................................................. I am very good at this so don't challenge me !!!
Wow! Great! This demonstration of a disturbed mind is really something. I must be art, or help is needed urgently.
Nobody can challenge that, it explains itself. It is proof! At last, we have proof!
Greetings, Conrad
I understand you, so I'll don't push things beyond the limits of common sense. Is your right to not believe Neil but in the same time you have the same right to study deep this aspect. Think who founded the nasa spatial program, why and in what conditions. Think about the subtext, text and context if you really want to understand a thing.
In a completely corrupt society is not a sign of wisdom to be well framed in it.
SaDAng
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 22, 2015, 03:49:20 PM
I DONT DO WRONG MATHS ...... That is why numerology answers every question including all the ones you can not answer ! Now as you have no understanding of the numerological constant or the cosmic octave let alone what was before all that is one should keep there little mouth shut .......
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Do you really think the universe is bigger than it was a second ago ??? I don't !!! Now was you requiring any proof of my discovery ??? ?? No ok well that is good because you will need to start again with me son ..
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Did Christ feed 5000 with 2 fish and 5 roles of bread ??? yes he did !!! Did he turn water to win ? yes he did is my truth correct and all that you think wrong ??? yes son !!
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I will win every step along the road of truth ...... And you will just insult and abuse !!! Why ? because you son are stupid blind and dumb .................... !
You have won! Calm down. Jesus loves you. I do not.
Greetings, Conrad
Sadang if you don't have a sense of humour and you think everything is
a big lie- then I give up.
I just love the science and technology that goes on these days and have
great respect for those involved.
I live for my family, seeing the next generations growing up and helping
them as best I can.
I've made a decision-Kelly hasn't much to offer so unless the theory can
be presented in a better way-I'm done.
CycleGuy,a big thank you from me. It's quite an amazing thing this QVZPE field
but I can sort of see if it is real it must be the way to go.
My problem with the "Kelly brigade" is that they won't face up to admitting how
the "Inexcapable facts" thrown up by QM. and the likes of relativity and the data
gathered from particle accelerators etc. fit in with their thinking.
John.
I came across the "Earth Inductor Compass" in my quest to put my mind
at rest as to the nature of magnetic field lines.
I figured that things show up easier at a large scale and what would be
more suitable as an experiment than the Earth itself.
Any comments.?
John.
This dumb-ass of element93rd thinks that the element 93rd comes from lalaland. That he/she created it from lalaland. Hmmm, from, everything that there is, comes from SOUND! IF THAT IS HIS 100% TRUTH OF LIFE, might as well just call him a lunatic.
Lets ask this element93rd guy from where does sound come from?
And, what comes first? Electricity or sound? Hehehehehe
WAIT! He was born from a male and a female with no sound involved! (well male and female having sex makes a sound, and there are pussie farts involved..hjehehe = true story mathematicians) The birds in the bee's need to be taught here?!!! AHHH! Element93rd was born from a sound frequency! Lol
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Let me get this STRAIGHT! Element93rd BELIEVES in a "sound GOD" That everything there is, is a sound! That sound creates the whole universe. OK, cool!
BUT! Humans are given the ability to:
- smell
- taste
- see
- touch
- think (consciousness)
- hear
BUUUTTTT, this dumbo tells me that SOUND is the ONLY thing that determines life! HOLLY dookie, I should follow this guy with many drums! Or I should love the sound I hear when I smack him on the head? Lol
Sound, sound, sound, sound, sound, sound, sound, sound...that sounds stupid! If you believe that SOUND COMES FIRST THAN ENERGY! OR MAGNETISM?
YOU ARE NOT WRONG! YOU ARE JUST LOOKING FOR A SOUND GOD!
Is not like a carrot does not make a sound!
A car crash!
A cat being ran over!
A little rabbit being eaten by an eagle!
A bear eating a butterfly!
A mosquito being killed by two human hands!
A bullet killing a human!
The sound is a measurement of the FREEE energy, NOT THE SOUND IS AN ULTIMATE MEASUREMENT OF LIFE!
In a clock, the sound comes after the time is measured! NOT! Before it is measured! IOW, time comes after the FREEEEEEEE energy! NOT, sound comes BEFORE the energy!
You are thinking with your ears? DON'T YOU HAVE EYES?
COME ONNNN! Bro think harder! Till your brain burst in to 9 decibels! lol...show us how sound creates the photon of magnetism? hehehehe
Element93rd,
Hmm humans make lots of sounds!
- fart.
- grunt.
- curse.
- love making.
- irritable valve syndrome.
- fat ass trying to sit in a chair?
How do we like or avoid those sounds? hehehehe
This is for Sadang,
Peppa for adults Christmas episode 3 Stephen Rattigan. (YouTube).
Have a laugh.
John.
The number of times a proton can travel from side of the atomic nucleus
to the other in a second is 1022.
Protons and neutrons can "borrow" energy from the future for a short time
but the thing is it must be "paid back" before the uncertainty principle is
violated. The shorter the "loan time" the more can be borrowed.
A "virtual photon" can exchange force between charged particles but it
is different to a "real photon". A real photon can keep its energy for as
long as it likes.
John.
Another proof to dispel Mr. Wheeler of his erroneous "there are no electrons, what we call electrons are massless waves" notion (beside the fact that electrons have rest mass, and the fact that they reject QVZPE field modes longer than their radius (the Compton radius), both of which have been proven mathematically and experimentally), and by none other than JJ Thomson, whom Mr. Wheeler keeps quoting as supportive of his hobby theory:
Cathode rays (electrons) are known to travel slower than the speed of light. If they were a wave, they would travel at the speed of light. None other than JJ Thomson himself discovered this back in 1897, and discussed it in his Nobel lecture in 1906, stating that cathode rays traveled at approximatly 1/3rd the speed of light in a high-vacuum tube.
As I've said before, when the double-slit experiment is done with electrons, the wave-like pattern experienced isn't a result of the electron acting like a wave, it's a result of the electron interacting with waves... the QVZPE field modes (the electromagnetic waves that make up that universal "pool" of entropied energy we call the Quantum Vacuum Zero Point Energy field). We're seeing the anisotropy of the QVZPE field because the electron is so small and light it's affected by the QVZPE field modes.
It's much like that carnival game Plinko... you put a disc in at the top, it bounces off pegs as it falls, you get a prize if it lands in a certain spot. Substitute the electron for the disc, the QVZPE field modes for the pegs, and the landing spot of the electron for the landing spot of the disc.
If the double-slit experiment with electrons were performed while shooting the electrons through a well-shielded Casimir cavity to damp the most prevalent interfering QVZPE field modes (we don't have the materials to damp them all), the experimenter would find the electron's behavior to be much more particle-like than usual. Thus resolves the wave-particle duality issue for electrons and destroys Mr. Wheeler's hobby theory in one fell swoop.
Quotes:
"Mother nature has never taken a course in math, algebra and she absolutely rejects the nonsense espoused by quantum. 'She' knows only about charge-discharge, spatial-counterspatial and centripetal-centrifugal spin as binary conjugates to charges and discharges. Gravity, electromagnetism and matter are all modalities of the Ether, of charges and spin."
The trouble is that nature leaves us humans standing when it comes to
mathematics.
Quanta and harmonics rule!!!
I've decided that Kelly's theory is fantasy.
John.
Your problem minnie is you don't yet understand you are intrinsic part of the nature and not separate from it, and governed by the same rules as the nature is. And nature is not governed by quantum mechanics neither by particle physics, neither by dual aspects as opposed to each other, instead it is governed by complementary, of ether dynamics, whatever this ether you understand it is. But as always you have the right to choose what you want.
Quote from: sadang on December 24, 2015, 02:34:13 PM
Your problem minnie is you don't yet understand you are intrinsic part of the nature and not separate from it, and governed by the same rules as the nature is. And nature is not governed by quantum mechanics neither by particle physics, neither by dual aspects as opposed to each other, instead it is governed by complementary, of ether dynamics, whatever this ether you understand it is. But as always you have the right to choose what you want.
YOUR problem is that you _think_ you understand things, but you really don't. And you seem to believe such utter BS that I'm surprised you can even operate a computer (which, by the way, would not work at all if many of the things you apparently believe, were actually true.)
As usual, there are thousands and thousands of experimental results, engineered systems and solid theoretical analyses that refute you (and Kenny) utterly on many separate points.
All of this is faked, according to you? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously at all?
http://www.space.com/22299-astronaut-sees-constellations-from-space-photos.html (http://www.space.com/22299-astronaut-sees-constellations-from-space-photos.html)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examination_of_Apollo_Moon_photographs#Absence_of_stars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examination_of_Apollo_Moon_photographs#Absence_of_stars)
QuoteStars were seen by every Apollo mission crew except for Apollo 13 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_13). (An oxygen tank explosion in the Apollo 13 Service Module (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Command/Service_Module) two days after launch prevented the crew from clearly seeing stars due to a haze of oxygen and water vapor surrounding the spacecraft.) Stars were used for navigation purposes and were occasionally also seen through cabin windows when the conditions allowed. To see stars, nothing lit by sunlight could be in the viewer's field of view.[3]
Here's an image taken in the visible light range on ordinary film by the Apollo 16 astronauts. This refutes Lindeman's ridiculous statement utterly.
Of course you will say it is faked. And I'll just shake my head and wonder how you can even find your way to the grocery store.
http://tothemoon.ser.asu.edu/data_a/AS16/png/AS16-127-20022_SML.png
TinselKoala you laugh in vain! I do not pretend to know everything, but on the contrary claim that I know nothing exactly because I permanently document both sides, pro and con.
Can you compare the altitude of ISS with the distance to the Moon? 400Km is the same with 400000Km? ISS run in ionosphera (you know... aurora borealis) which is not the same as the Moon "atmosphere"! So, a photo taken in visual spectrum is not the same from ISS as from the Moon. While thermosphere and exosphere are large enough to make visible the light from star, the Moon has nothing to do this. Further think for yourself!
From hundreds of images with black sky made from the Moon surface you've chosen one which maybe has made on the way back, maybe from the same thermosphere. You're hilarious!
- http://tothemoon.ser.asu.edu/gallery/apollo/AS16_Hasselblad%20%2870%20mm%29/list
Because a shadow of a circle can also be a shadow of a square, shaping the reality (a computer for your sake) based on the circle doesn't mean it represent the reality. It only represent a reality as seen by those who see the circle, without to see the square. And what is sad is that no one try to see the real object which create that shadow! Thus, I'm a noob in computers, even if I see both shadows and even the object which create them. Something like seeing swap and shadow memory without seeing the ram.
Now, I suppose is my turn to laugh! Just I consumed this human joy years ago!
Just been wrapping pop guns and dolls.
You can see stars in images from ISS.
You can see stars in images from LADEE.
I definitely see stars when I hit my head in my daughter's
low doorway.
All the Kelly crap sounds just like most others think-but in a garbled form.
At the end of the day it'll all look the same.
John.
Look... you can't see stars from the Earth's surface. And here's the proof you can test for yourself. Go outside at noon, and look up. Do you see any stars? Of course not.
Now consider that every Moon mission has been on the Moon during _lunar daytime_.
Go to the center of any big city at night, and look up. Do you see any stars? You may see one or two of the brightest ones. Or you may not see any. That proves that you can't see the stars from the Earth's surface. Doesn't it?
More fake images from NASA?
QuoteBecause a shadow of a circle can also be a shadow of a square,
But the shadow of a sphere cannot also be the shadow of a cube. What does that tell you?
I'd like to know if Kelly has an issue with Einstein or is it with relativity?
Cassini seemed to confirm relativity to an accuracy of about 1 in 50,000.
I'd like to know how an Induction Compass works if the idea of lines of
force is rubbish,perhaps the Bermuda Triangle is a Dielectric Inertial Plane!
I'd like to know what's in all the packages I've wrapped so I could attach
the correct labels.
John.
PS. I think the Hubble telescope is one of man's finest achievements,especially
the clever men and women who managed to sort the problems. It's going to
need a fair bit to convince me there's much wrong with our current educational
system.
John.
TinselKoala, you are educated in a specific way and used to think accordingly. I see how you try to divert the discussion only on your way, intentionally mixing things and terms. I understand that and accept it, exactly due to the above. Half of truth is not truth, is only manipulating the other opinions. And I also can clearly see you're smart enough to do this, but not enough to understand what you do!
Earth has atmosphere, Moon don't have to scatter the Sun light. Watch again the movie with Neil Armstrong. And stop polluting this topic with images from ISS as any child can read wikipedia, to see the altitude of ISS, and to develop a further conclusion based on his ability to think. I suggested you in my last message to think further for yourself, not in public.
Aaa, you forget to laugh this time! I appreciate.
TinselKoala, if you're about could you try and explain what Sadang is on
about?
Of course if there is atmosphere light will be scattered and if there isn't
it won't.
Old CycleGuy has really given me something to think about and if it's
really true it makes a lot of sense.
It's a great thing to be able to convey and idea with a few words whereas
someone else may write a whole book and I don't understand a bit of the
meaning of it.
I've finally figured out what's bugging me with this topic.
Try and ask Kelly or Sadang a question and this is the result.
They are the same as politicians, the questioner is made to
look as idiotic as possible and anything but a clear-cut answer
is given and if they don't like or can't answer the question it
is ignored.
I just wanted to know if you were out in space would you
be able to see stars?
minnie, I expressed my point of view, TinselKoala expressed his point of view, Neil expressed the most credible truth. And you still ask! I think its time to grow up and do your homework by yourself.
Do you really think you can just copy-paste long sections of other people's work, without attribution, and not get caught at it? You are committing plagiarism by your copy-pasta and lack of attribution to the original authors and sources.
This is the "Google Age", all anyone has to do is take a quote of some words from your plagiarism and enter it into Google, to find the original source of your copy-pasta.
And you can make your silly claims of your "inventions" all day long, but as long as you don't provide any evidence for their existence or performance.... you will be seen as another simple loon, a False Claimant, whose brain is indeed made of mush and whose OWN words cannot be taken seriously.
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 25, 2015, 03:22:13 PM
Do you really think you can just copy-paste long sections of other people's work, without attribution, and not get caught at it? You are committing plagiarism by your copy-pasta and lack of attribution to the original authors and sources.
This is the "Google Age", all anyone has to do is take a quote of some words from your plagiarism and enter it into Google, to find the original source of your copy-pasta.
And you can make your silly claims of your "inventions" all day long, but as long as you don't provide any evidence for their existence or performance.... you will be seen as another simple loon, a False Claimant, whose brain is indeed made of mush and whose OWN words cannot be taken seriously.
@Tinselkoala,
You were warned about this guy by me by personal message. He registered a series of outragous complaints about me to Stephan.
Quote from: sadang on December 25, 2015, 04:56:47 AM
minnie, I expressed my point of view, TinselKoala expressed his point of view, Neil expressed the most credible truth. And you still ask! I think its time to grow up and do your homework by yourself.
You still don't get it. You cannot see stars during the daytime on Earth, can you? Why is that? All the Apollo missions landed on the moon during lunar _daytime_ and the surface of the moon was brilliantly illuminated. The astronauts had helmet visors that acted like sunglasses. How can you expect to see stars under those conditions?
Now, here's what Armstrong _actually_ said during the interview you are fixated upon:
"We were never able to see stars from the lunar surface or on the daylight side of the Moon by eye without looking through the optics."
NASA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA) (1989) [First published 1970].
The First Lunar Landing: As Told by the Astronauts Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins in a Post-flight Press Conference (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/ap11ann/FirstLunarLanding/ch-7.html). NASA EP-73. Project of Murray Nathans (20th Anniversary ed.). Washington, D.C.: United States Government Printing Office (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Government_Printing_Office). OCLC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCLC) 82368746 (https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/82368746)
Which means that they COULD see stars by looking through the optics.
I am not expressing a "point of view", I am telling you the actual facts, confirmed by many experiments and observations, satellites currently in orbit around Earth and around the Sun, and the work of astronauts in the ISS. It is your "point of view" that these FACTS are faked, hoaxes, lies. But you have absolutely no evidence to support your "point of view" except for the rantings of people like Eric Dollard and Peter Lindeman -- who in turn have absolutely no evidence for their assertions either.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 25, 2015, 05:19:21 PM
HAHAHAH DO YOU THINK LOGIC IS OWNED BY AN IDIOT ? R U THE IDIOT WHO WOULD RATHER WALK BLIND IN A DRY WOOD WITH A CANDLE OF LIGHT THAT YOU CAN NOT SEE ... ???
(snip a lot of nonsense)
You need to have your medications adjusted.
It's people like you (Atom) and the rest of the believers who are truly awake and aware of what's really going on at this pivotal moment in history.
The rest of the world will wake up when it all goes public and then we can say we tried to tell them all along.
They're either foolish or just plain scared to death of reality.
Let them have their goldfish bowl, for as long as it lasts at least.
Take care.
Acca...
p.s here are two clips from a great admirer of Ken Wheeler..
and some screen shots...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etaYzqtEnDw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etaYzqtEnDw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAb8vfah0c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAb8vfah0c)
his YouTube channel ...
https://www.youtube.com/user/ufopolitics/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/ufopolitics/videos)[/font]
More screen shots of videos...
Acca...
I did a bit of searching.
YouTube "Can I see more stars from space" The Bad Astronomer. Phil Plait.
I can't see that viewing film or those Ferrocell things can give us a picture of
magnetic fields.
The Earth is a magnet and an Inductor Compass works so there must be fixed
lines of flux.
What are all these diagrams of hypotrochoids or whatever showing us?
Are they like wheels within wheels?
Somehow I get the idea that a film or cell would need to be at right angles
to the field to get a very thin slice of the action.
Quote from: Acca on December 25, 2015, 11:31:01 PM
It's people like you (Atom) and the rest of the believers who are truly awake and aware of what's really going on at this pivotal moment in history.
Atommix93rdAtom1 has already demonstrated that he will say contradictory things, waffle in his support or nonsupport of posters dependent upon whatever contradictory thing he's saying at the moment, and that he not only has little grasp upon the physical reality of how the universe operates, but apparently little grasp upon reality itself. I invite him to demonstrate his "nuclear battery" to prove his claims, but alas, he'll keep yelling in capslock, rather than prove anything. You know it, we all know it. If he had anything, he would have shown it long prior.
Quote from: Acca on December 25, 2015, 11:31:01 PM
The rest of the world will wake up when it all goes public and then we can say we tried to tell them all along.
I am 100% certain that nothing that comes from applying Mr. Wheeler's hobby theory will ever "go public"... mainly because when you operate from a flawed perception of reality, the odds of you creating something that actually works are vanishingly small.
Hey, I've already provided you in this very thread the means by which you can create a device that extracts energy from the QVZPE field, in full accordance with QM, if you were quick-witted enough to pick up on it. Why not stick with reality? It makes explaining how things work ever so much easier, after all.
That's not the only method of doing so, however. Haisch and Moddel have demonstrated another way, if you care to do your research. Look for their patent. Aspden has demonstrated yet another way. Look for his patents. Remember, we live on a planet in intimate contact with the QVZPE field, which extends throughout the universe... we are not on a "closed system" planet, it is quite open. Thus, perpetual motion of the second kind is easily achieved, because we're not dealing with thermodynamics, we're dealing with electrodynamics. There is no energy penalty for manipulating a lower QVZPE field radiation pressure (especially utilizing magnets, which directly affect QVZPE field density), then extracting energy from the differential between it and ambient. It's merely a take on Dynamical Casimir Effect, after all, which has been used to concretize photons directly from the QVZPE field.
Quote from: Acca on December 25, 2015, 11:31:01 PM
They're either foolish or just plain scared to death of reality.
Or Occam's Razor... Mr. Wheeler is so far out to left field with his hobby theory that there is no way anyone, after doing even a cursory examination of the basic tenets of his hobby theory, would believe it, unless they were so uneducated that they wouldn't be able to tell if his hobby theory reflected reality in the first place. His hobby theory's tenets would result in a universe that could not exist, as I've proven.
Your "evidence" consists of someone creating a video while claiming he's not moving the magnet nor the coil of wire, yet he's creating electrical pulses as evidenced on his oscilloscope... this is a blatant misrepresentation of the laws of induction. It's not the magnet or the wire that must move, it's the relative motion between the magnetic flux and the wire that creates the current... and his slapping a hunk of ferrous metal down onto the magnet most certainly moves the magnetic lines of flux. In other words, he's not doing anything new.
That Mr. Wheeler responded to that video expressing his approval of it, while neglecting to mention that what was witnessed in the video was to be entirely expected and has been known about since Michael Faraday first discovered the phenomenon of magnetic induction speaks volumes as to just how shallow Mr. Wheeler's knowledge is as pertains to the fundamentals of magnetism, and just how desperate for attention Mr. Wheeler is... he'll seek it even from people who are blatantly wrong (even more wrong than Mr. Wheeler himself), as long as they support his hobby theory.
This isn't the first instance of Mr. Wheeler displaying his fundamental misconceptions about how the universe works, as I've proven above as regards electrons. Mr. Wheeler says "electrons" don't exist, that they're not particles, and are instead waves... except electromagnetic waves travel by necessity at the speed of light (whatever the speed of light is for whatever medium the electromagnetic waves are travelling through), whereas cathode rays (electrons) travel far slower, something that's been known since 1897... that's because electrons are particles, not waves, they have rest mass, and like all matter, they reject QVZPE field modes longer than their radius (the Compton radius, in this instance), which is what
accounts for their rest mass.
Similarly, his contention that "warped space is the product of a warped mind", then his speaking of a temporal "counterspacial" component to magnetism just as QM does (except Mr. Wheeler redefines everything to hide this fact) is disingenuous of him, and shows that he cannot close the holes in his hobby theory without falling back on what QM has already discovered, described and fully explained.
Similarly, his contention that there is no such thing as mass-energy equivalency shows his fundamental lack of understanding, as I've proven via the flux compression generator (FCG) bomb example... the EMP from a FCG is not a result of nuclear binding energy, it's a purely mass equivalency phenomenon, since it's a conventional chemical explosion creating the EMP, not a nuclear explosion.
And while we're on the topic of nuclear, his contention that a nuclear bomb explosion leaves all the constituent particles of the bomb intact but scattered, and the explosion was merely a result of what he calls "an unwinding of trillions of clock springs" (his naive take on nuclear binding energy), and if one were to gather up all the particles, one could rebuild that bomb is so far wrong as to be laughable. It goes back to his denial of mass-energy equivalency... but his denial of same means that in his universe there can therefore be no unstable elements that transmute (fission) in attempting to reach their lowest energy state (said unstably high energy states forced upon those elements by the highly energetic conditions of an exploding supernova transmuting those elements from iron by adding energy to them that was converted to mass via nuclear reaction)... therefore there can be no transmutation, no fission, no fusion, the Periodic Table must be a fantasy land of made-up elements, particle accelerators must be a big lie, nuclear reactors must be powered by pixie dust, and Soddy and Rutherford were just hallucinating.
As to his magnet theory, he's just wrong. Flat out, plain wrong. There is no "dielectric inertial plane" (given that he's redefined "dielectricity" to mean "static electricity" and "inertia" to mean "the opposite of rest", thus he might as well say "static electricity in motion"... or just "electricity"). The Bloch Wall is where the two prevalent magnetic domain directions in a magnet (because our magnetic material is too weak to resist the internal magnetic stress, so some domains unpin and flip to minimize the internal energy of the magnet... so in essence, we have two magnets interspersed throughout each conventional magnet, in opposing directions, but with their spins 180 degrees out) meet and mutually cancel, thus the magnetic domains in the Bloch Wall region cant away from the two prevalent magnetic domain directions (and thus this region has an essentially random magnetization and thus can be considered "unmagnetized"), throwing out / attracting in magnetic flux (Larmor radiation in the form of virtual photons, which are a component of the QVZPE field), which causes some of the magnetic flux to arch across to / from the Bloch Wall. If we had perfect magnetic material, we'd have all the magnetic domains aligned in the same direction, and we'd see an attractive (centripetal) interface on one pole face, pulling virtual photons from the QVZPE field, and a repulsive (centrifugal) interface on the opposite pole face, throwing out virtual photons that are then subsumed back into the QVZPE field, and
no Bloch Wall. In a conventional magnet, we have the centripetal and centrifugal interfaces on both pole faces. Thus, in a conventional magnet, the most energetically conservative route for the virtual photons to take is from the centrifugal interface on one pole face, into the QVZPE field, out of the QVZPE field and into the centripetal interface on the
same pole face (just as David LaPoint demonstrates), then through the magnet to the opposite pole face to follow a similar route... the virtual photons are compelled to follow that route because a magnet is a strange attractor (I'll leave research on that subject up to you), albeit a folded strange attractor. Thus the magnet is continually exchanging energy with the QVZPE field. The temporal aspects of magnetism have already been discussed in this thread, so I won't go into them here.
In short, follow Mr. Wheeler's hobby theory to your own detriment. You'll not learn anything worthy nor invent anything that works by doing so because Mr. Wheeler's hobby theory is unadulterated bunk. It is not just wrong, it is Coulomb bomb wrong.
Atom thanks and will take you up on the device offer here is my email is Magnetvortex@gmail.com
You are right.. I will load up a clip for you on my YT channel how the magnet (scaler) wave is seen as in a plasma..
and time bubble generation...It's really real...One can slow down chemical reactions.. or speed up...
Acca..
TinselKoala, let's stop this game. I say a thing you say other thing. Exactly the game I don't like to play.
Here are the words of Neil from 1970 interview on BBC:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtdcdxvNI1o
"The sky is deep black when viewed from the Moon as it is when viewed from cisluna space, the space between the Earth and the Moon. The Earth is the only visible object other than the Sun that can be seen although there have been some reports of seeing planets, I myself did not see planets from the surface but I suspect they might be visible."
They did not see the stars both from the lunar surface and from space between Moon and Earth atmosphere. To see means they did not see stars with their eyes, not through optics. I never said stars are not there, I said stars can't be seen by human eyes in the outer space or from the Moon. The outer space has nothing to do with the ISS, ISS is at 400Km and outer space begins from about 10,000Km. Bellow 10,000Km stars begin to be visible due to the scattering of their light by the Earth atmosphere. And very well visible at the altitude of ISS. Beyond the 10,000Km there is the outer space and stars are invisible to human eyes. But very visible through optics of course.
And unfortunately you still express a point of view, namely your point of view, based on what you believe are "actual facts, confirmed by many experiments and observations, satellites currently in orbit around Earth and around the Sun, and the work of astronauts in the ISS."
My point of view is based on the words of Armstrong from the above mentioned interview and on the confirmation of Aldrin from the bellow movie at min 44:42, "I don't remember seeing any[/size][size=78%]"[/size]
- http://archive.org/details/VJSC_1425Q_Apollo11_F.A.C.T.S._PartQ.wmv
and of course on the words of other and my own understanding.
Element93rd I like how you are bold and not afraid to challenge people. You could be an alien for all I know. Or a retarded person not knowing how to tie his own shoes. But at the end of the day it seems like you have "something" that is very important to share. NOW lets stop! this bullshit of trying to compete with one another and lets help one another DEVELOP this thinking of Benefiting everyone!
Instead of you telling people to email you regarding your ideas (If you email me I will send you the schematic of it and we can talk about it !!! ), NO! Give your ideas for FREEE...no needing emailing you....the stupid will be eliminated by evolution. I AM SORRY YOU ARE PART OF EVOLUTION. YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO TEACH BEFORE YOU DIE! NOT DIE BEFORE YOU LEARN!
You know what's the key? This guy is so smart but yet he is not famous! lol
How do you dissect a frog? lol
Seen some talk of Einstein in this thread. John Nash died this year just a few days apparently after telling someone that he believed he found a replacement equation for one of Einstein's theories.
So is this now lost forever or is anyone combing through his notes to see if they can find what he was referring to. I mean anyone besides the government of course.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3103618/Had-Beautiful-Mind-just-finest-work-Mathematician-Nash-told-friends-devised-equation-replace-Einstein-s-famous-theory-just-DAYS-died-car-crash.html
Quote from: sadang on December 26, 2015, 05:36:58 PM
TinselKoala, let's stop this game. I say a thing you say other thing. Exactly the game I don't like to play.
Here are the words of Neil from 1970 interview on BBC:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtdcdxvNI1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtdcdxvNI1o)
"The sky is deep black when viewed from the Moon as it is when viewed from cisluna space, the space between the Earth and the Moon. The Earth is the only visible object other than the Sun that can be seen although there have been some reports of seeing planets, I myself did not see planets from the surface but I suspect they might be visible."
They did not see the stars both from the lunar surface and from space between Moon and Earth atmosphere. To see means they did not see stars with their eyes, not through optics. I never said stars are not there, I said stars can't be seen by human eyes in the outer space or from the Moon. The outer space has nothing to do with the ISS, ISS is at 400Km and outer space begins from about 10,000Km. Bellow 10,000Km stars begin to be visible due to the scattering of their light by the Earth atmosphere. And very well visible at the altitude of ISS. Beyond the 10,000Km there is the outer space and stars are invisible to human eyes. But very visible through optics of course.
And unfortunately you still express a point of view, namely your point of view, based on what you believe are "actual facts, confirmed by many experiments and observations, satellites currently in orbit around Earth and around the Sun, and the work of astronauts in the ISS."
My point of view is based on the words of Armstrong from the above mentioned interview and on the confirmation of Aldrin from the bellow movie at min 44:42, "I don't remember seeing any[/size][size=78%]"[/size]
- http://archive.org/details/VJSC_1425Q_Apollo11_F.A.C.T.S._PartQ.wmv (http://archive.org/details/VJSC_1425Q_Apollo11_F.A.C.T.S._PartQ.wmv)
and of course on the words of other and my own understanding.
NASA's STEREO satellites photograph stars from their positions in orbit around the sun:
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stereo/news/binary-stars.html
Feel free to look up the positions of these satellites on your own.
Of course you will say these images are fake.
Space probes on far journeys to distant planets use images of planets against the backdrop of stars for navigation.
QuoteOptical Navigation Spacecraft that are equipped with imaging instruments (https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/basics/bsf12-1.php#iss) can use them to observe the spacecraft's destination planet or other body, such as a satellite, against a known background star field. These images are called opnav images. The observations are carefully planned, and commands to obtain them are uplinked far in advance as part of the command sequence development process. The primary body often appears intentionally overexposed in an opnav (http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/photos/raw/rawimagedetails/index.cfm?imageID=8804), so that the background stars will be clearly visible. The opnav images are downlinked as part of the telemetry data type (TLM). Interpretation of opnavs provides a very precise data set useful for refining knowledge of a spacecraft's trajectory as it approaches a target. In addition to aiding orbit determination, optical navigation also refines knowledge of natural satellite ephemeris, which in turn helps increase future navigation accuracy.
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/basics/bsf13-1.php
Of course you will say that all information from NASA is a tissue of lies and cannot be trusted.
Yuri Gagarin reported seeing stars from his flight. Of course you will say that he didn't get high enough in his orbits. Astronauts on every Apollo mission except Apollo 13 saw stars during the transit between Earth and Moon (13 was surrounded by haze and debris from the oxygen tank explosion). Of course they were all lying, weren't they.
There is no rational theory that supports any claim that stars are not visible or photographable from space, other than the simple facts of contrast (why you don't see stars during the daytime, or with sunglasses on.) There are thousands upon thousands of observations that refute your silly claim. All you can say about them is to deny their veracity, which only makes you look silly. But of course this is the "silly theory" thread, after all, where people make unsupported and unsupportable claims and try to pretend that they are true, even though they cannot provide any evidence for them, and deny reality like some delusional psychotic.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 27, 2015, 06:42:26 PM
Here is the first draft for the mechanics of gravity that I am working on ! A complete understanding of the mechanics of gravity is required if we want to control a zero gravity space technology ... And here provided is what I call the real macoy in very simple terms ..
The fabric of space time between 36 inches off the surface of the ground to 36 000 miles to the earths natural zero gravity point is a numerological wave function set out as ripples in the fabric of space and time time ! This is confirmed by the observations show in the attached document the mechanics of gravity by the earth science team ..
Its the first time this discovery has been published and the full data will follow !!!
The relationship of RF fields and magnetism as say the magnetic abilities of an electron will play a vital role in the complete understanding of how to affect the mechanics of gravity time and space !
Just glancing cursorily at your document, I see already a problem in your "new math".
You wrote:
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93 million miles = 9 + 3 = 12
Notwithstanding that there is absolutely no basis in reality for your "new math", you've failed to properly terminate the equation thusly:
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93 million miles = 9 + 3 = 12 = 1 + 2 = 3
Your "new math" is a base-9 system, you failed to reduce. Therefore, your entire premise is faulty, necessitating that you go back to square 1, and start completely over.
This was your "great discovery"? A two-page numerological "new math" fiddling based upon the human construct of a 12 month annual cycle, the 9-base "new math", the distance from sun to earth, octave scales and "resinous electricity", along with the contention that charging one plate with positive and one plate with negative negates time and therefore gravity between the two plates?
Have you tested your hypothesis using real-world empirical objects, rather than just your mental contortionisms? Because I'm quite sure you'll find your theory fails the reality test.
Oh, by the way, the distance from sun to earth is 92,955,807 miles. ;D
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 28, 2015, 01:40:45 AM
Listen to me son ! I am A MASTER OF THE QUANTUM ! I am here for a very special reason and to those that now have received there unified field oscillator are just beginning to know what that reason is !
I will not play a tune that is out of alignment or diminished in scale or augmented to form an empty mind that will refuse to turn at corner in the road ahead ......
I do not travel into the past as my world is in the here and now flowing forwards with the greatest ambition any animal could ever have ! The freedom of all the animals in the zoo that you call the human race ...
That opportunity of freedom is being given to you by me and them ! If you require any proof than take a breath of faith and let go of fear doubt envy hate and jealousy !
The 9 is confirmed ! Its laws are written in mystery secrecy and have been hidden since the day of our birth some 13.6 billion years ago !
It will not just be my words that confirm the 9 as the body of the fabric that builds this universe but it will soon come with a mountain of truth written by the creator him self !
Cycle guy its time to shut up son ! and for the very first time in your life learn the truth ! It will be new to you a logic that has such greatness and power and so much so it will stand by its self and represent its self in good time ...
The mathematics of the 9 is in the numerological constant and is seen and measured in the hydrogen spectrum between all time and space and is why the moon and the earth share the same geometric relationship of all atoms and the nuclei !
Look closer at the moon and the earth before you begin to study the 9 and its secrets ! As re the atom presented I will ask you a simple question what atom is it ?
With this clock I can foretell the time and position of every electron in this universe ! And with that knowledge and understanding I can levitate a mountain or even you !
We are all the students of the 9 ..............fact not fiction .. Now study it and stop complaining like a little baby or that giant dummy I bought you for Christmas will be given to you ! lol x
Your math is messed up. You failed to reduce your base-9 numerological "new math", as I described above. Therefore your entire premise is faulty.
The one word that always causes those such as you to stop short:
"Proof?"
::)
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 28, 2015, 01:40:45 AM
You failed to answer the basic and most simple question ! What is the atom in the clock ! You also have an in-depth knowledge of how to hide your ignorance in slanderous words than run and hide in a hole that you keep digging ! If I were you I would stop digging that hole !
To answer you question first we have to isolate the mysterious 9 in a chromatic octave of 12 notes and I am busy doing that so just hold back for a little bit ! But what I will provide is what all musicians know as the law of harmony and its is a complete harmonic code of all that is ...
These fact soon to be provided can not be in dispute and even you will not be able to change the law of harmony so don't bother and when you are provided with it study it in complete detail !
We will see how the 9 sits in the 12 note chromatic and than we can go back to the atom and see how the scales of harmony work to construct the atom the earth the moon and the sun !
Than I will place the sun inside the atomic clock and will present a set of harmonic formulas that govern the electron and defeat the uncertainty principle ! And I will require the help and assistance of everyone here with the final detail !
The end result is to confirm the harmonics of the sun and the finite relations ship it has with its electrons ! What this will achieve is the construct of a very important tool that predicts solar storms including there mass and energy and vector of displacement from the surface of the sun ...
This will confirm that the uncertainty principle for the position of the electron has been defeated and will provide us with a solar atomic clock so precise that we will be able to determine all future solar events right up until the sun begins to entre its final stage ect ..
You are requested to calm down and get ready for the biggest discovery in the history of humanity !
The numerological mathematics of the 9 is a very well know reality but its relationship with atomic and particle physics let alone all its cosmological constructs is an on going discovery process and one that is very soon to become the new and complete unified plan of the universe ...
Before you begin your adventure in the discovery of the 9 its best to learn its connections to the harmonic law the cosmic octave and the periodic table ..... The new periodic table that I will present will start with negative hydrogen than the first 92 confirmed elements creating a natural accruing 93 elements in the new periodic table ..
It is also important to understand that all imperial measurements like miles and inches are coherent with the law of harmony ! With metric measurements coherent with electric charge, gravity,and electron mass ..!
As we begin to open the numerological constant in the periodic we will all ways look to fit the 9 into the 12 note chromatic .. The distance between the earth and the sun is 93 000 000 miles and is the number 12 in the numerological constant ! Here we begin to view that the distance between the earth and the sun is a perfected match to the first 93 elements and is concluded as one octave between the earth and the sun ...
When we are ready and in agreement as to the harmonic formulas we will begin to test the data with close observations of solar storms ! It is predicted that all electrons share a relationship with each other including the electrons in the sun ! The base fuel of the reactions in the sun are 12 hydrogen to 2 helium ! Again we find the 12 and to me its not by chance that its in the sun ...
The final observation is the fabric of space time and how the ripples of gravity are set out in the earths gravity field in perfected formation coherent with the logarithms of the 9 ..
ACCA has some very good equipment and has received the schematic of the unified field oscillator and is studying it I suggest you and anyone else who has an interest in this conformation of gravity to contact ACCA as to understanding he's technical ability and set up ! ACCA is to be provided with the full harmonic plan formula of the fabric of space time and gravity and I truly hope he will do his best to masseur it for a final conformation .
FROM HERE ON WE WIL BE DETERMINING TRUTH OVER FICTION REALITY OVER BULL SHIT AND MASTER THE ELECTRON WITH COMFORMATIONS OF ALL THE ABOVE .....
Play like a team and we will win and master it all ! The un unified field oscillator is a replica of the NASA UFO filmed by NASA and is seen flashing up its EMF that was replicated and confirmed how the 4 kilometre craft was powered !
Now do you finally see what is before you ?
In my lab are 12 free energy technologies and are being made ready for mass production and all were funded by a small loan from the British government ! Any one with an interest in the manufacturing of these technologies or require a licence deal to market them please step forward ASAP .........................
THESE ARE THE 3 GOLAS PRESENTED HERE !!!
1 BUILD AND LAUNCH THE NASA UFO
2 DEFAT THE UNCIRTINTY PRINCIPLE OF THE ELECTRON BY PREDICTION OF SOLAR STORMS
3 DEPLOY AND MASS PRODUCE ALL RELATED FREE ENERGY TECHNOLOGY ASAP
Agree to this and we can proceed ..... lol x
Your math has no basis in reality, your premise is flawed, you've messed up the base-9 math, you've drawn correlations that don't exist, and you're relying upon rounded and inaccurate numbers as the foundation for your flawed "model". In short, you'll never "master the quantum" using a two-page numerological "new math" mental exercise based upon a reality that only exists inside your head. The universe doesn't care what you think you know, because you've demonstrated that you know nothing. She'll not be unlocking her secrets for you.
Perhaps you'd do well to become a master of your meds, rather than a "master of the quantum".
And that one word that stops those such as you short still hangs like the sword of Damocles above your head:
"Proof?"
::)
Now you screech out another long diatribe as your "proof", whilst completely foregoing providing any
actual proof.
Oh, by the way, 4 hydrogen atoms transmute into 1 helium in a fusion reaction, so it'd be 8 hydrogen to 2 helium, not 12 as you claim. ;D
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/FusionintheSun.svg/250px-FusionintheSun.svg.png (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/FusionintheSun.svg/250px-FusionintheSun.svg.png)
Note the two hydrogen atoms as a product of the reaction... so while 6 go into the fusion process, 2 are spit out, netting 4 hydrogen to 1 helium.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 28, 2015, 12:20:40 PM
Your wrong again son and once more you shoot your self in the foot !!! It is confirmed the sun fuel is 12 hydrogen to 2 helium .. I do not dispute the reaction ! But I will state that no mater what the sun is up to it will always make sure that the fuel supply is perfected balanced at 12 to 2 ...
And you have again made a slanderous remark on an observation made not just by me but all the great minds in history in respect of the 9 ... I have not finished the detail on it yet you attack what is not presented ???
Do you live in constant fear of truth ???? Its like you are a baby crying for its dummy !!!! Well you sir will just have to wait for it !!
You got no chance when attempting to defeat pure simple logic with and attitude to that of a 3 year old ! Now grow up fast ........ Before we get to the reactions of the sun which at this stage is not in question lets keep track of the harmonic elementary ability of the surface of the sun !
Look again sir at its surface and what do you see ??? Is it coughing and spluttering like you ??? Is it in a state of chaos like the mind set you have so willingly adopted ???? NO ! There is no such thing as chaos as there is a theory in the so called chaos of the sun !
And lets sty with one question at a time !!! You requested proof of the numerological constant that is governing the order of all mass and energy in the universe including that empty brain you have !
So before we go any further can we agree the constant of the said fuel 12 to 2 is correct ? And no matter what the sun does this constant is never altered ... Try not to mix my words to fit your negative view and stay only on the facts that we can for now agree ....
I declare the surface of the sun is in a pre planed and controlled state in a harmonically orientated order that again governs its distribution of its energy and mass ! Its not in a state of chaos if its fuel supply is keep at a constant !
I do not see any waste of fuel like the unspent nonsense you keep coming up with !!! Stop fighting me because I only stand as a mirror to you son ....
One step at a time ... Is the fuel reserve of the sun kept constant and un altered or not ? I say it is and it is confirmed as so ! I do not wish to cut and paste the simple truth as it is widely agreed ... I state the obvious that if the fuel is kept constant and un altered than the activity of the sun is related to the conservation of the suns energy and that is a new fact now presented by me not you !!!
All harmonic orders are in a state of unity and no different than a song playing along a written code as like now demonstrated by the sun .... All its flares and black spots to me are no more than trumpets blowing in perfected tune and in time with its pre determined plan governed by the cosmic octave !
I do not doubt your talent by I do doubt your ability to only consider the challenge and the job at hand ! If I lay a brick to build a wall it is best you hand to me the brick rather than attempting to take down the wall being built !
You inability to play just a few bars of harmony in tune with the cosmic orchestra is a demonstration of you belligerent ignorance ! Now lets keep it simple the challenge is set and you were asked to agree to it ! Some times it best to just say yes or no ......
Don t try to rush be calm and relax all will be revealed !!! Until than study this attachment of the harmonic laws that built this universe !
This is the full 168 harmonic code if the attachment is clear enough I will have to re do it !! But for now count the notes permitted for each scale which is 9 and than consider the 168 full harmonic as a numerological number
1+6+8=15 1+5= 6 .............. so the final number of the 168 harmonic law is 6 ... This confirms your results in the numerological constant and stands correct ....
YOU WILL NEVER BEAT ME SON !!!! AND VERY SOON I WILL BRING FORTH THE CODE OF THE SUN THAT WILL FOR EVER DETERMINE THE TIME AND ENERGY OF EACH AND EVERY SOLAR FLARE EMITED FROM THE SUN ........
NOW EAT YOUR 6 AGAIN AND STUDY THE HARMONIC LAW ! It will be a very important tool and will be the rope by which we will clime this mountain .... I win again ! hahah
Oh yes, I quite agree, you "won".
Stage 1:
2(
11H +
11H ->
21H +
0+1e +
00ν)
Stage 2:
2(
11H +
21H ->
32He +
00γ)
Stage 3:
1(
32He +
32He ->
42He + 2
11H)
Overall:
4
11H ->
42He + 2(
0+1e +
00γ +
00ν)
If you can't even fathom the most basic of nuclear reactions, you can't possibly figure out anything more complicated. Your attempt at tackling gravity and time without even understanding the fundamentals means you'll fail.
I'd suggest that you go back and study nuclear reactions, but we all know you'll continue to screech out your "proof sans proof" while proclaiming some sort of victory.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 28, 2015, 03:24:25 PM
You seem to be in a hurry ? what's the rush a nuclear reaction hahaha
I stated very firmly and clearly that the aim was to predict a solar flare ! Than you come around with that equation of mass to energy to mass ... ?
No please stick to the point and the detail you have given is not as detailed as mine ! Where are the neutrinos in your equation ???? You seem to be missing 500 000 000 of them per photon !
In fact you have not presented one photon let alone all the anti mater equations that go hand in hand with reactions of this kind ..
All you have done is presented the basic standard model and it is out of date inadequate and has no quantum mechanical properties to finish and finite the end reaction ...
As you can see in the harmonic law the neutrinos have been positioned along side the photons ! where are yours ???
Let me give you a simple tour of the proton ! As you can see Its got detail and that detail will increase as we go further down the rabbit hole of the 9 ....
I also provided you with the primary stages of each harmonic flare and yes I am getting them ready .... When I do a calculation I leave not one particle behind .. You have left 99% of the mass ejected out of the sun missing in your pathetic presentation for the reactional harmonics that are vital in the understanding of the secrets of the sun ...
Its impossible to map out the time codes for flares by what you have so quickly presented !!! Stick to the job son as this is not a debate as to how the sun and its elements fuse and produce its energy .. Remember now you challenged the numerological constant the cosmic octave and my ability to finite a solar mass ejection ...
Let us also consider the magnetic field of the sun as there is in fact a magnetic vortex inside the sun ! And so far I have found only 3 magnetic vortex's 1 inside the sun 2 the event horizon of the electron and the event horizon of a black hole ....
Now go back to the reaction formula and please now include all the particles that make up the mass of the reaction and please confirm the quantity of neutrinos and photons produced per reaction ... !!! OR YOUR BUCKET WILL FOR EVER HAVE A HOLE IN IT .... HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
I am just lining up all the mathematics but in a new way !!!! I am not interested in formula that can not determine the exact time of a solar flare and to be honest I am greedy for its mass its speed its sin vector for its particles and all the quantum entanglement problems that happen .......
Why hurry son ! You keep that up and all the small change left in your empty head will fall out of your ears !!! hahahah
Get ready young man !!!! ......... your about to be sent into the hart of the sun and the flare I am interested in is the one that is pointing directly to the singularity of the black hole in our galaxy .... And that is where you are going ..... hahahahahahah MR SMALL CHANGE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Remember it will be a new law and one written in harmonics .... OK so learn to play a simple tune try jingle bells hahahahahahahaha !
Now stick with the job at hand and stop the bull shit and distraction antics ! Or you will have proven that your ability to add up simple equations is all your brain can understand ....
Now answer the question !!! how many photons and neutrinos are missing in your equation ? Answer it correctly or submit that you know nothing ........ Try and stick to the job son ! AND THE FUEL IS 12 TO 2 ... OK ! TE REACTION IS DIFFRENT !!! WHY IS THAT ???????
THINK SON BEFOR YOU SPEAK ....!
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/dlattach/attach/154336/image//
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 28, 2015, 04:19:17 PM
Now let me make this very clear ! The objective of this exercise is to finite a time code that predicts when a solar flare is displaced fro the sun and is directly pointed at the singularity of the black hole in our galaxy ! Its is like a clock and that particular flare is never late ...
Please do not present anymore equations that are not finite or offer any insight into confirming the predicted time code ect ....
When this exercise is finished and if proven to be correct and it will as like all atomic clocks they are never late and I would be happy for a 24 hour time slot in the clock time code that I am looking for ... The event that will be found is one that will happen at a set amount of times per year ! And let it be known that when the code if formulated and proven to be correct all those that have taken part in the research will have there names written in history and it will become one of the most important discoveries in the history of humanity..
The challenge has been set !!!! Its a test !!!! And one that musty be respected and not one word of adolescent stupidity should be spilt on its delivery ... My message to cycle guy is learn to keep your big mouth shut or history will constantly remember you as the test dummy village idiot .... Next time you present an equation do not leave one tiny particle behind .... That includes photons neutrinos bosons gravitons quarks and entanglement ect ect ect ...
The time code depends on a quantized drop of mass into the black hole at the galactic centre ! As you can see in the detail of the proton the conservation of the proton is connected to the black hole ... At this point I would like to point out that all the planets in our solar system are in fact heating up ..
This is a very serious time for our planet and possible survival of our race !!! SO GET IT RIGHT !!!
IF YOU DONT HAVE FREE ENERGY TECHNOLOGY GOOD ENOUGH TO POWER YOUR HOME YOU MAY WISH NOW TO ENTRE A CONTRACT WHERE BY YOU WILL BE PROVIDED WITH THE DATA TO BUILD ONE ASAP .......We at the earth science team are on a red alert solar watch !
Question ! WHAT IS YOUR WEATHER LIKE ??????????? KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE SUN AND ALL RELAVENT DATA ECT ECT .....
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 28, 2015, 08:18:42 PM
THIS IS SOME OF THE RESEARCH COLLECTED AS TO THE 9 !
From now on pay attention to the same repeating numbers. It is very important that you notice when for example 864 is mentioned and a reference is made to the fact that there are 86,400 seconds in a day or that the the diameter of the sun is 864,000. 864 is in both of those numbers so please pay attention or you will miss the beauty and importance of the message. Also, notice every number adds up to 9 using the digital root method mentioned.
Also, If you have a creative mind you will divide these numbers further and see how they relate to even more things. For example, I divided 72 by 2 over and over again on my calculator so many times that I found 234 hidden as .00000000234. Everything fits like a puzzle.
The significance of 432 is that it is the base number for other calculations like 43,200 is exactly half a solar day in seconds. If you double 432x2=864 which is the base for one solar day in seconds, 86,400 seconds in a day and the diameter of the sun is 864,000 miles. If you square 432 like this (432x432)= the speed of light (186,624) which adds up to 9!
If these measurements were not as they are, we would not experience a total eclipse of the sun. The height and perimeter of the Egypt's great pyramid are in a ratio to the radius and circumference of the Earth. The modern measurement for the actual polar radius of the Earth (pole to center) is 3949 miles. What this means is that the great pyramid in Egypt encodes the measurements of the earth, sun, and moon in relationship to the 12 constellations mathematically and geometrically. It is a calendar oscillating through time aligned with the stars casting shadows of geometry displaying the message of the code right in front of our eyes and we missed it.
Half a day consists of 12 hours or 720 minutes or 43,200 seconds. A well-conditioned human has a heart which beats once per second, 60/minute, 3600 beats per hour and 86,400 beats per day. The diameter of the sun is 864,000 miles (2 x 432). The diameter of the moon is 2160 miles (4320 / 2). 432 = Consecration and also the square root of the classical speed of light, 186624 miles per second. Light travels around the earth 7.4 times in one second adds up to 11. Also, 12 x 360 = 4320. Divide 4320 by 2 to get the diameter of the moon (2,160 miles). If you multiply 432,000 by 2 to get the diameter of the sun (864,000 miles). If you square 432 to get the speed of light (186,624 miles per second). 60 x 360 = 21600 the number of Nautical Miles on the polar circumference of Earth which means that one Nautical Mile equals exactly one 'minute' of earth latitude.
The speed of light is 186,624 miles per second and if you add up these numbers it equals 27, then 9 (2+7=9) and its reverse mirror of 72. We said that Light travels around the earth 7.4 times in one second adds up to 11 (7+4= 11). There is an example of 9 and 11 showing up together. if you think this is a coincidence consider that the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second and the diameter of the earth 7920 is hiding inside the speed of light as 792 and (7+9+2=18 and 1+8=9) equals nine.
What this means is that the speed of light and circumference of the earth were created by intelligent design. Simply add the speed of light (1+8+6+6+2+4 = 27 and (2+7= 9)! Can you see how 911 is embedded intelligence? Remember earlier we showed how 100/9= 11.111111 and 100/11= 9.09091 giving 9 and 11 so perfectly.
So the size of the earth, the speed of light and the distance from the sun to the earth is not an accident or coincidence but well calculated. Notice how even the average distance between the sun and the earth is 93 million miles (9+3=12) and it takes about 8 minutes for sunlight to reach earth, actually, 8 minutes 20 seconds. If you multiply 12x8 = 96 which is the spiral vortex number. 12x8.2=98.4 which is our normal average body temperature.
What is very strange is that the Great pyramid in Egypt sits at 29.9792458 degrees north latitude and the speed of light in meters per second is 299,792,458. In case you just missed it, these (9) digits are all the same. The location of the great pyramid encodes the speed of light! The speed of light in meters per second and location are identical and it just happens that there is 9 digits total.
This is reality !!! And a very important one !!! To view this law inside the atom was not a surprise to me when studying it but this is just the tip of the iceberg the data is like a mountain ..... The above is very much relevant and it proves that the 9 has an intelligence and our sun is like one neuron in a matrix of 200 billion neurons or stars ...
The relationship here must be excepted into standard physics and in all science ! The extension to the harmonic laws is what I have been busy with ! Please do not disrespect this knowledge copy it learn it and never forget it ....
Well, that does it for me, Mr. Richardson.
Mr. Wheeler was merely trying to disingenuously hijack what QM knows via redefining everything (often poorly) so he could get attention as a "discoverer" of his newly-redefined things which QM had already discovered, described and explained. While he was often hilariously wrong about the underlying fundamental aspects of how the universe operates, he at least tried to come to grips with that reality in some fashion.
You have gone so far off the rails you're not even making any sense. Your number fiddling (numerology, "new math", inverting numbers when you don't get the expected result, etc.), your making contradictory statements and being seemingly oblivious to the fact that you're doing so, your inability to comprehend even the most basic of nuclear reactions, and your drawing correlations that don't exist lead me to conclude that you are quite obviously mentally unbalanced and clue repellent.
So rather than just a mental note-to-self to ignore you, which I find impossible to do because you are
so wrong about
so much, and that tends to irk me, I'm putting you into the bozo bin.
Goodbye, Mr. Richardson. I wish you luck on your "scientific quest", because we both know the only way you'll stumble upon any knowledge of any value whatsoever is
by pure dumb luck, so you'll need all of it you can get.
Quote from: CycleGuy on December 28, 2015, 10:16:21 PM
Well, that does it for me, Mr. Richardson.
Mr. Wheeler was merely trying to disingenuously hijack what QM knows via redefining everything (often poorly) so he could get attention as a "discoverer" of his newly-redefined things which QM had already discovered, described and explained. While he was often hilariously wrong about the underlying fundamental aspects of how the universe operates, he at least tried to come to grips with that reality in some fashion.
You have gone so far off the rails you're not even making any sense. Your number fiddling (numerology, "new math", inverting numbers when you don't get the expected result, etc.), your making contradictory statements and being seemingly oblivious to the fact that you're doing so, your inability to comprehend even the most basic of nuclear reactions, and your drawing correlations that don't exist lead me to conclude that you are quite obviously mentally unbalanced and clue repellent.
So rather than just a mental note-to-self to ignore you, which I find impossible to do because you are so wrong about so much, and that tends to irk me, I'm putting you into the bozo bin.
Goodbye, Mr. Richardson. I wish you luck on your "scientific quest", because we both know the only way you'll stumble upon any knowledge of any value whatsoever is by pure dumb luck, so you'll need all of it you can get.
ok well, im gonna say a couple things here,.
First: that guy's interpretation of the physics he's attempting to describe is unfounded in reality.....
However, most of what he is saying does hold a degree of truth in it.
I'll even go as far as saying that the dates and times of these galactic events (as I like to call them), are engraved in the stones of our ancestors, thousands of years ago.
knowledge we are just now re-learning.
not only solar flares, but entire energy convergences of the bodies orbiting within our galaxy.
all pointing towards the galactic center, and each along their own plane of rotation.
each solar system, or gravitationally interacting bodies within our galaxy, spins on its' axis on a specific plane.
the gravitational and magnetic moments are perpendicular to this plane of rotation.
and cyclically, like clockwork, these planes all point towards the galactic center at certain intervals.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on December 28, 2015, 01:40:45 AM
Listen to me son ! I am A MASTER OF THE QUANTUM !
yup, I think that about sums it up.......
Cycle,
what's your take on the starlight thing? Sadang and Kelly act like spoiled brats and I'm curious
to know a bit more.
John.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 29, 2015, 01:01:53 AM
ok well, im gonna say a couple things here,.
First: that guy's interpretation of the physics he's attempting to describe is unfounded in reality.....
However, most of what he is saying does hold a degree of truth in it.
I'll even go as far as saying that the dates and times of these galactic events (as I like to call them), are engraved in the stones of our ancestors, thousands of years ago.
knowledge we are just now re-learning.
not only solar flares, but entire energy convergences of the bodies orbiting within our galaxy.
all pointing towards the galactic center, and each along their own plane of rotation.
each solar system, or gravitationally interacting bodies within our galaxy, spins on its' axis on a specific plane.
the gravitational and magnetic moments are perpendicular to this plane of rotation.
and cyclically, like clockwork, these planes all point towards the galactic center at certain intervals.
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-the-great-pyramid-of-giza-and-the-speed-of-light.t2154/
Did the builders of the pyramids use the metric system? No. They used cubits (a rather arbitrary measurement system based upon the length from the tip of the middle finger to the bottom of the elbow). So the conflation of:
Speed of light through vacuum (299,792,458 m/s)
A geographic coordinate of 29.9792458 for the Great Pyramid
is just a coincidence. In fact, it's a coincidence that relies upon jiggering the numbers to even make it work. You might as well say a man's forearm and hand length is somehow related to the speed of light. It's nonsensical in the extreme.
Are there "500,000,000 neutrinos per photon" in a hydrogen fusion reaction, as Mr. Richardson claims? No, the process consumes two neutrinos in Stage 1, produces two neutrinos in Stage 2, and produces two neutrinos in Stage 3, for a net of 2 neutrinos per nuclear reaction. If he can't understand something as simple as this, he has little hope of figuring much else out.
Is it possible to predict solar flares? Yes, by as much as 2 to 3 days, by watching for a surface manifestation of interior magnetic flux twisting. NOAA scientists discovered the phenomenon that leads to more accurate solar flare prediction in 2010. It has to do with a shift in the wavelength of light being emitted in the vicinity of those intense magnetic fields.
Are there 6 hydrogen atoms involved in fusing hydrogen to helium? Yes, but only if you discount the end product of 1 helium and 2 hydrogen. Net, it's 4 hydrogen that transmute into 1 helium.
Does a nonary (base-9) numerological system and new math have anything to do with the universe? No, especially the way Mr. Richardson is doing the math. I'd invite him to study ternary mathematics. He's edging dangerously close in his claiming special importance of the numbers 9 and 11 to subscribing to the nonsensical numerological conspiracy that the FreeMasons were behind the 9/11 attacks.
Are solar flares or coronal mass ejections manifesting on a regular basis, pointed directly at the black hole in the center of our galaxy? Absolutely not. Solar flares and coronal mass ejections do not occur on a timed schedule, although the level of activity does rise and fall on a pseudo-regular approximately 11 year basis called the Schwabe cycle, which has to do with uneven rotation of the plasma in the sun (the equator rotates faster than the poles) causing magnetic flux lines to bunch up over time. Those flux lines breaking and breaching the photosphere cause sunspots, and in severe instances, CMEs. Note the individual sunspots or CMEs are not on a "schedule", but the Schwabe cycle is roughly 11 years.
Does the diameter of the sun in miles somehow equate to the number of seconds in a day? Do you think the sun cares that we use essentially arbitrary measurements called "mile" and "second"? And which "mile" should be used? Talmudic, Roman, Italian, Arabic, British, Irish, Welsh, Scottish, German, Danish, Hungarian, Scandinavian, Portuguese, Russian, Croatian, Metric, Geographical, German Geographical, International, US Survey, Nautical? They're all different, they're all arbitrary, originally based upon 1000 paces... you might as well say the length of a man's legs and therefore his stride length is somehow tied to the diameter of the sun. It's nonsensical in the extreme.
The second was derived as a result of dividing 1 by 24, then by 60, then dividing it by 60 again. And even then, we have leap seconds and leap days, because our arbitrary time measurement system is inaccurate... there should have been 488 leap days added to the calendar since the Year 0, and that's in just the past 2015 years.
Mr. Richardson is looking at numerological coincidences and ascribing to them importance. And when he cannot get the results his skewed beliefs tell him he should get, he goes through the typical mental gymnastics such as failing to close out a base-9 mathematical equation (
93 million miles = 9 + 3 = 12, instead of
93 million miles = 9 + 3 = 12 = 1 + 2 = 3, for instance), or reversing the numbers (27 doesn't work, so try 72).
And that brings up his use of rounded numbers as proxy for the actual numbers (93 million miles in lieu of the actual 92,955,807 miles distance between sun and Earth, for instance).
It's a mishmash of mental gymnastics that will amount to literally nothing but a huge time sink. The universe neither knows nor cares what measuring sticks we use, to include time and distance.
I think that there is an important message related to this debate.
If this forum is going to be "open minded" enough to let people post stuff that the vast majority of us would recognize as
simply completely ridiculous nonsense, then it also has to be open minded enough to let people state that it is completely
ridiculous nonsense. In other words, it's a two-way street.
It's an even more important principle when what the person is promoting can be financially damaging or dangerous to
others if they were to undertake a nonsensical project. There was a person promoting the B&L "energy from the ground"
pitch which involves spending a few thousand dollars on an inverter, batteries, grounding rods, and digging up your backyard.
That's a lot different than someone pitching a circuit that costs a few tens of dollars.
Here is a clip reminding all of us about the important principle of free speech and how you have to be prepared to
tolerate any "discomfort" associated with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVohGWhMWs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVohGWhMWs)
For example, this whole thread is basically junk, there is no magnetic vortex. On the "Partnered Output Coils" thread there
isn't a single posting with any definitive proof that "partnered output coils" produce over unity. In fact, just using
rational analysis of the proposed circuits clearly shows that there is zero chance of ever seeing over unity with that
coil configuration. That's not going to stop people from promoting it. Likewise, it's not going to stop people from saying
that the whole concept is nonsense. Show us the data.
So, going into 2016, keep free speech in mind. It's all about holding ourselves to being tolerant of differing views and also
asking for real data. There are way too many threads where people are afraid to ask for tangible results with real data. If
somebody posts what you believe to be valid, then great, support them but don't be afraid to ask for tangible results with
real data. If somebody posts what you believe to be crap, state that without making an attack on the person. If you
feel strongly enough, you can attack the proposition while backing up your statements with logic and reason.
Freedom to say what you want, and also being prepared to listen to criticism, are what makes a forum a forum.
What this forum really needs is a fascist daemon process running in the background automatically deleting posted images that
are wider than 900 pixels. That's a fascism that I think we all would welcome.
MileHigh
And the Vasant Corporation is back. aerospace electronics engineer, George J. Bugh who is selling his book.. on spinwaves on ESR . link below... I have bought his book on amazon..
http://vasantcorporation.com/ (http://vasantcorporation.com/)
George J. Bugh videos on spinwaves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkOuGRU8akA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkOuGRU8akA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjsL1zfmKvA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjsL1zfmKvA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=craHcstJJZ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=craHcstJJZ0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izlcZPUMkdA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izlcZPUMkdA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDEtPGB13NM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDEtPGB13NM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEMFqOvViDg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEMFqOvViDg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4Ni3ke2I8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4Ni3ke2I8)
http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg469797/#new (http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg469797/#new)
Quote from: MileHigh on December 29, 2015, 09:49:39 AM
What this forum really needs is a fascist daemon process running in the background automatically deleting posted images that
are wider than 900 pixels. That's a fascism that I think we all would welcome.
MileHigh
I agree with your summary, on almost all counts except there being a magnetic vortex. We're both right, from different viewpoints. From our timeframe, there is no vortex, but since magnetism stresses the QVZPE field density and thus affects time, the vortex is out of our time frame, which is why we don't experience it. Take a gander at a couple of my prior posts, showing the temporal vortex mathematically, as well as the Japanese researcher who used ultra-high vacuum, ultra-cold temperature and an ultra-high resolution scanning microscope to capture the vortex in real time.
As for the fascist daemon process, I've seen other forums which automatically reduced the display size of images to a set maximum, and you click on them to get the full size picture. That'd be a real boon to the forum, for sure.
You look short today,yes but not in my frame of reference!!
John.
The Spintronic Generator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBc_kGuCJkg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBc_kGuCJkg)
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https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-spintronic-generator#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-spintronic-generator#/)
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The Spintronic Generator (STG) is a revolutionary approach in energy conversion bringing to the fore a technology that could solve the World's energy problems by providing cheap, clean, safe and abundant energy that is free from enslavement to the "fossil fuel masters.
The Spintronic Generator (STG) works by producing energy utilizing quantum-reactions between the molecular electron spin and magnetic interactions. This emerging field is known as "spintronics" or spin transport electronics. The STG is self-contained, uses no fuel, is friction free and causes no pollution. Maintenance and wear are virtually nonexistent. The STG harvests electrons from its natural surroundings in its toroidal implosive field via neodymium for a clean, abundant, and demand driven output. As such, cooling is generated instead of heat during its energy generation. The STG is easily adapted to modern manufacturing processes and materials needed for its manufacture are abundant. Application includes automotive, maritime and aerospace. It eliminates the need for electrical substations or transmission lines and is scalable to widespread electrical distribution.
http://www.technewspoint.com/2235-florida-team-launches-indiegogo-to-energize-the-world_tnp.html (http://www.technewspoint.com/2235-florida-team-launches-indiegogo-to-energize-the-world_tnp.html)[/font]
This scientific papers my be way over your heads !!
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/2280/ (http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/2280/)[/font]
The application of an elctrical(s) impulse will generate a "sin-wave" and generate free electrons in the Ghz tange due to harmonics in the Khz range..
Ferrite core will on glass iron is required as to collapse that magnetic field in the Mhz range..
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Spiral structures in helical magnets... MAGNETVORTEX !!!
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Spin waves are the collective oscillations of the spin system in a magnetic material.
Spin waves are considered as the phase propagation of the processing magnetic moments.
The propagation of spin waves can be understood as a spin current without involving any charge currents.
Spin-wave frequencies are typically observed in the gigahertz range but can also reach the terahertz regime.
Their wavelengths range from the millimeter down to the nanometer length scale.
The spin system is nonlinear system and various nonlinear phenomena can be observed for high spin-wave amplitudes.
Like FREE ENERGY .. in Ferrite cores see posted clips in previous post.
http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fphy.2015.00035/full (http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fphy.2015.00035/full)
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SPINTRONICS GENERATOR
About us
http://spintronicgenerator.com/ (http://spintronicgenerator.com/)[/font]
Spintronics, Inc. is a Florida corporation located in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. It was established in 2014 primarily to redevelop and license technology based upon early work of John R. R. Searl and the later work of Dr. Paul M. Brown involving Kinetic Magnetism. While the Company has acquired certain of the rights to the intellectual property of both Searl and Brown based on their earlier work, it has also filed a patent application for its Spintronic Generator and this patent is pending.
Acca..
Searl is a fake and even among most free energy enthusiasts they are considered a fake. It's probably the longest con job ever in the free energy cottage industry. They are sill begging for money and still demoing a silly pulse motor based on small outer rollers going around a bigger inner roller.
Spintronics doesn't look any better and people seem to be wising up. The Indiegogo campaign was a failure, and they only raised $811 and they were asking for half a million. You can do a lot of paid surfing of the net for $500,000.
The address on the Spintronics web site is a fake. The Google Streetview image is copyright 2015 and shows an audio-visual company is at that location. The name of the company is Trackmaster, listed as an audio-visual company. The phone number for Spintronics is a Verizon cell phone number.
Based on my very basic searching and my gut feel, Spintronics is most likely one guy living at home in Florida, a cell phone number, and a website with a known fake business address. Not very confidence inspiring and the alleged "magic tech" is nonsense, just like Searl is nonsense.
The Spintronics web site is looking for investors:
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We are currently seeking investment partners as exclusive territory licensees, OEM's and ODM's. Potential investment partners are required to make certain minimum investment in our stock as briefly described below:
Subscriptions are being accepted from foreign and accredited US investors (e.g. investors with net worth in excess of $1M or annual income exceeding $200K), as defined in Rule 501(a) of Regulation D promulgated under the Securities Act of 1933, to purchase shares of Series B Preferred Stock (which includes a Warrant) of the Corporation (the "Offering") to finance ongoing experimental and development efforts. Sales of shares pursuant to the offering will only be made to foreign and accredited US investors.
The Securities in this Offering have not been registered with or approved by any state securities agency; or the US Securities and Exchange Commission and are being offered and sold pursuant to an exemption from registration. No money or other consideration is being solicited or will be accepted by way of this announcement.
My recommendation is to not invest a single cent in this company.
To quote Mark Dansie, "Show me the data."
It's another old cliche, "There are multiple end users of this free energy technology but they all are secret and you will never hear from them."
Element93rd, your number 9 looks like a chros in the crucifixion. That's lovely and not far fetched on how all of the elements of mother nature work. The number 9 is a cross of negative and positive...the number 9 has to transform to 0 and then one in the numbers. The tornadoes have a 9 in their funnels....the super massive black holes have a 9 that is called the "event horizon" and I am pretty sure by now that the number 9 is the edge of the universe because the size of the universe is the addition of a mathematical equation.
You know what amazes me about your brain? is that you are not an atheist (the rejection of a god and the lover of the atom) BUT you are the lover of a god which is the lover of nature and aliens. = learning from the outside in NOT from the inside out! Which that means, there is sooooooooooooooooooooo much to learn an understand still till billions/trillions of years more! WHat we know today, one trillion of years more will be pathetic learning! HENCE! what we know today, is not the end of the finish line! NO MATTER IF GOD TEACHING OR MATHER NATURE OR A NERD IN HIS OFFICE! NO STOP OF TIME NOR LEARNING. HECK! time has a 12hr/24hr hand...tic toc tic toc...around the same..the human brain EVOLVES! every 12hr/24hr clock, there is an evolution/progress in the human brain 24/7. The time always stays the same! WTF? How can life evolve and the clock be the same time 24/7 for eternity?
Blah blah blah! At any rate element93rd, lets see how smart you are or how stupid you are? I think it has come to the point where you need to sho real life experiments so I can laugh at them or open my mouth wide open and be amazed! TALKING gets you so far...and then it gets retiring!
I myself do believe in aliens and do believe in multiple dimension and do believe in an ALIEN GOD...AND DO BELIEVE that humans are killing this earth. AND do believe that aliens are living in this earth. What is the ultimate solution regarding how everything is going? WELL, only the aliens will survive. I think is has been happening since millions of years ago. In the next 6th great extinction, 90% of the population will get vanished! Like a great flood and 10% in the narca of noe! This is normal because in 40 million sperm, only ONE fertilizes the egg. That is crazy isn't it? And then, out of that 40 millionth winner, that egg could be trash. Meaning, just because the winner fertilizes the egg, does not mean 100% fertilization because he could have fertilized an trash egg. = period blood.
Now I can appreciate how mother nature TESTS particles in the millions and trillions....now I am suppose to believe a one person out of the whole humanity? We need more of element93rd so we can start to paint a picture....IF this guy is an alien...then, my respects! IF this guy has mental issues, then my respects. If this guy teaches me to build a FREEEE energy device, then my respects. If this guy get me girls to make love to then my respects.
So far we are in the preliminary state of "debating" about vortexes! HECK element 93rd, what is the sound of a magnetism? Or what is the taste of magnetism when you lick a magnet?
TEACH! because I am certain you need to learn from teaching! = vortex of life!
element93rd, GREAT!
Is that cross the same for:
- sound
- touch
- consciousness
- smell
- love
- sex
- eye sigh
- poopy poopy poop?
GOD is the manipulator and maker of electric galaxies. Aliens are travelers of galaxies to galaxies...greedy humans are = I take money from people = hence I am the creator of the universe. IOW< the people that give us the 6th great extinction! Sigh! Do I need to say it!? The greedy people are killing this earth! While the tree hungers will survive the great next extinction. NOW, there are things to ponder in a scientific way! WHY IN THE HELL THE SMARTEST SCIENTIST ALLOW A NEXT Great Extinction? AND WHY THE TREE HUGERS WILL SURVIVE THE NEXT GREAT EXTINCTION?
WELL, the ONLY conclusion is that IT"S ALL ABOUT THE EARTH! AS it has always been since GOD! = We are all brothers! We are not enemies! What makes us enemies is the person that needs to die pretty soon! ANd that is un-godly! "cause GOD died for our sins! The atom killed to survive, blab bla bla...at the end of the day, we need both! = GOD and "SCIENCE"! As a matter of fact, "god" is the atom for these nerds. = They can't understand it, BUT YET!, it is there. = LEARNING FROM THE OUTSIDE IN!
HERE IS THE COMPANY "SPINTRONICS GERERATOR" Inc.
This is the text from : https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-spintronic-generator#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-spintronic-generator#/)
Powerful interests have long prevented the big changes we all need in energy sources, but the Spintronic Generator technology just may open the door to a game changing nonpolluting energy source that would free us from our dependence on oil and gas.
HERE at the end is Mile High post about this company...What he claims is DIS-INFORMATION..
His data if FAKE >>there for he is FAKE ... "This is a REAL COMPANY !!"
The Spintronic Generator (STG) is a revolutionary approach in energy conversion; a technology that could solve the World's energy problems by providing cheap, clean, safe and abundant energy that can free us from our enslavement to the "fossil fuel masters."
PROJECT SUMMARY:
The Spintronic Generator (STG) produces energy by utilizing quantum-reactions between the molecular electron spin and magnetic interactions. This emerging field is known as "spintronics" - spin transport electronics. The STG is self-contained, uses no fuel, is friction free and causes no pollution. Maintenance and wear are virtually nonexistent. The STG harvests electrons from its natural surroundings in its toroidal implosive field via neodymium for a clean, abundant, and demand driven output. As such, cooling is generated instead of heat in its energy generation. Where a photon is required for a solar cell, the STG is not selective and does not share such limitations. It operates continually and exhibits superconductivity and quantum locking. The STG is easily adapted to modern manufacturing processes and materials needed for its manufacture are abundant. Application includes automotive, maritime and aerospace. It eliminates the need for electrical substations or transmission lines and is scalable to widespread electrical distribution. The company owns the intellectual property through a US patent pending and is expanding to obtain global patents. Visit our web site at www.SpintronicGenerator.com (http://www.spintronicgenerator.com) for more information.
The STG device is an elegant innovative design of a linear induction motor on a circular track, riding on a magnetic bearing, able to convert random ambient (primarily the heat spectrum) and other bands of ever present radiant energy into useful uniform or coherent electrical power. It is a unique open system device working in complete accordance with the laws of thermodynamics, albeit not yet fully researched or embraced by mainstream academia or the energy industry.
The working principle is analogous to the energy cycle of a hydroelectric power plant: With respect to harnessing water as part of an open system, instead however, the STG does it at the quantum level with electrons, whereby the reservoir of electrons is supplied by the rare earth metal, Neodymium. The STG takes advantage of the electron's ability to absorb and emit kinetic energy, to harness outside energy in a system that recycles those electrons for its inherent energy.
During the past few years, profound advance have also occurred in the basic knowledge concerning the behavior of sub-atomic particles and process of magnetizing various combinations of materials, the results of which have been published. Much of this new knowledge is also directly applicable to the development of the STG project.
Most notable has been advancement in development of spintronics technology. A particularly important class of spintronic materials are nano-engineered magnetic heterostructures (ultra-thin magnetic and non-magnetic layers) which in the past 15 years has generated a revolution in our understanding of creating, manipulating and detecting spin-polarized electrical current which makes possible new classes of spin-based sensor, memory and logic devices.
This new field of science and technology is now commonly referred to as spintronics, which has been the key component of all magnetic hard-disk drives, which enabled their nearly 1,000-fold increase in capacity over the past 8 years. This means that today all information in the world can be stored in digital form and accessed remotely, effectively from any part of the world: The consequences have been enormous and one can truly make the case that spintronics has made possible today's digital world.
For these technical reasons and based on the increased knowledge now available, the chances have greatly increased that "someone" will be successful in demonstrating a compact and commercially viable "magnetic generator." The increasing emphasis on "Green" alternative energy technologies, their applications and uses, together with public attitudes toward reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, contribute to our commitment toward the development of this technology.
From the proof of concept hardware already demonstrated and the experiments and research disciplines now in place, and the indications of the recent experiments, applying spintronics technology, we feel that Spintronic Tech Group is well positioned to utilize these newly available materials and technology that will lead to successful commercialization of the STG.
Statement by Philip H. Talbert, Chairman-CEO
Spintronic Tech Group (STG), is vigorously involved in the development of a patent pending Spintronic Generator (STG). The STG is based on "kinetic magnetism" that Dr. Paul M. Brown had experimented with when he was with Peripheral Systems, a company for which I was CEO back in the 1980s. The device Paul built was essentially a result of his extensive research of the earlier work of Nikola Tesla, Alfred Hubbard, T. Henry Moray, and John R. R. Searl. Paul's device, which was only about the size of a laptop computer, generated an enormous amount of electricity (almost a megawatt of power) before he was forced to short it to ground in an effort to stop the runaway condition, resulting in a fire.
Regrettably, at that time I had to discourage Paul from continuing further research on this technology since our company's board of directors wanted him to focus his efforts on the development of the Resonant Nuclear Battery that he had invented. Moreover, since we were a public company with our stock traded on NASDAQ and the Pacific Stock Exchange, we were rather concerned about possible controversial publicity that might ensue relative to the "anti-gravity" anomalies that had been reported involving the Searl Technology that, of course, Paul was most interested in.
I became involved with this technology again in early 2012 at the request of an investment group, headed up by our Chief Operations Officer, Capt. Kirk G. Miller, that had invested in Searl Magnetics, Inc. (SMI), a company owned by John Searl and a business partner who purported to be an engineer, and was attempting to redevelop Searl's SEG. They asked me to serve as Chairman-CEO of STI, a newly formed holding company, and to re-structure the company, resulting in SMI becoming a subsidiary which was to include the rights to develop and license Searl's technology. We subsequently learned however, that SMI did not own these rights since Searl had already signed over the rights to D.I.S.C. Inc., a New York corporation in 1995. D.I.S.C. is owned and controlled by John A. Thomas, Jr., a former long time partner of Searl, Subsequently We were able to negotiate the legal assignment of these rights to STI from D.I.S.C, and it is important to note that such agreement was also signed by John Searl himself at the time of the assignment to STI. Thereafter, John Thomas also became a part of our team.
After several months, it had become quite clear that advanced age and serious health issues had taken their toll on John Searl. Moreover, his business partner had blown through well over $600,000 with no material progress toward development of the SEG, and had been engaging in felonious activities that could have resulted in serious problems for STI, and its continuing ability to raise adequate financing down the line. Accordingly, in early 2014 the Shareholders of STI voted unanimously to rescind all agreements with SMI, but STI did retain all of its rights to the Searl technology acquired from D.I.S.C. We had also come to the conclusion that there seemed to be a definitive pattern, based on Searl's existing and previous business relationships, that perhaps answers the question as to why Searl's SEG has never been redeveloped in more than fifty years from the time he purported to have first built it!
Fortunately, I had been able to locate a large portion of Dr. Brown's notes and related information relative to the kinetic magnetic device he had built back in 1986, Accordingly, we have raised additional funding and are now in the process and concentrating our efforts on developing the STG utilizing certain nano materials and techniques that have only recently become available to us. This research and development is going forward under the direction of Capt. Kirk Miller with Bruce Parsons, Ph.D. as Chief Investigator. Dr. Parsons is a very capable and brilliant scientist and engineer, and prototyping is well under way for this important game changing technology.
By the way, one of the perks we are offering for your participation in our campaign is a copy of my book "The Half-Life of a Nuclear Battery," that relates a true story about how powerful interests have been able to suppress important similar game changing technology that was invented by the brilliant Dr. Paul M. Brown in the 1980's.
THESE men are REAL ....
Mile High is fake.. DISINFORMATION.. agent !!!
Acca.. [/font]
When I was a kid we had no electric supply
In the early 'fifties we had a supply installed.
In those days it was the MEB that supplied us
and about that time old Searle worked for that
company.
There was great excitement at our house the
day we were "switched on", no more candles and
oil lamps.....however that afternoon there was a
thunderstorm which took out the supply. A big
let-down if ever there was one!
We had a milking machine some time later
and in those days they didn't have automatic
breakers and we had to wait while engineers had
to come to the farm, climb the pole and replace
fuses.
ACCA MILE HIGH IS RIGHT !!!
How So.... ???
Acca...
BTW the electron is ...
http://www.photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=57420 (http://www.photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=57420)
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Pseudoparticles Find Crucial Role in Energy ConversionKARLSRUHE, Germany, May 15, 2015 — Pseudoparticles could help make more efficient the conversion of light into storable energy, ushering in the potential for a decisive sustainable energy supply.
and here is a post by: Warren York ..to this article
We have been able to do a similar process with our "Energy Cell" and so has a University with solar cells. Getting over-unity seemingly from the normal photoelectric effect or in the cell voltaic effect. The University thought the process was due to supersaturation however they still got over-unity effects without finding any trace of any supersaturation. I find the actual process comes from the Quantum level and will produce results found in both the photon process and the electron process. Anybody interested may contact us at psientific@charter.net for details.
5/21/2015 2:36:09 PM - WARREN YORK
Here is an article by Warren York.. in time of the electron...
http://www.rense.com/general66/solid.htm (http://www.rense.com/general66/solid.htm)
[/font] Mike Windell and Warren York had found a way to use a unique plasma discharge to modify crystalline structures. York said the local university verified that electron orbits subjected to it were altered in a way that would normally have required extreme heat or dangerous radiation. Are they instead working with emerging scientific techniques? It seems so.
The knowledge base of these independent researchers is being put to use in the crystal cells. After they analyze factors, such as if one crystal will shield another's effects, the team will know if they have the Holy Grail of energy. They have had cells working for more than 13 years. At this time the team is only talking about the possibility of powering portable devices which draw little current, not electric heaters or stoves. However, Windell believes it could be up scaled to multi-kilowatt devices.[/font]
Element93rd, happy new years 2016 bro!! ;)
Atom..
So is that nine "numerlogy" for 2016 ?.
Looks like the nine is the end ?
What is that is required to the power device, as simple components off the shelf ?
The explanation is needed for the graphic as you have the developed this device to power our world...
Cryptic explanation of the graphic is not well understood as I am not knowledgeable in your discovery.
That does not mean that I will not understand you and the way the power device works..
As this is a public forum you may be keeping the "Cryptic" explanation to prevent this from being stolen.
And in this case, this is the wrong forum for you, because as you are here and it is a disclosure forum for the open discussion of such power devices..
One diagram does not make disclosure of the working device..
As your say that the discovery is so important that the disclosure may shake up the world ..
Now what is your intent here ?
Acca..
2016 is the end and 2017 is one, and it may be that is the start of Earth time. ?
>>> Mile High is fake.. DISINFORMATION.. agent !!!
Rubbish. Searl is fake and Spintronics is fake. You will never see anything working from either entity.
Take a look in the mirror.
One of the things that every person should do on this site is make the "bad searches" as part of your due diligence research. i.e.; "<something> fraud" and "<something> hoax." You owe it to yourself to exercise your critical thinking skills instead of just gobbling up stuff like it's a bowl of jellybeans.
The "bad search" on Tom Bearden yields many interesting pieces of information. As as example, he claimed the "MEG" would be in production in 2002. How many experimenters have stared helplessly at their MEG builds I wonder.
This is a hoot:
QuoteBearden is a "physicist" with no formal training, though he claims to have received a doctorate for "life experience and for life accomplishment." That doctorate is from Trinity College and University (http://www.csicop.org/si/show/dr._bearden_vacuum_energy/), a British institution with no building, campus, faculty, or president, and is run from a post office box in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
Bearden is just a barnacle in the sea of people on the Internet with his filter-feeders out and trolling.
Again, just use your critical thinking skills.
@Atom
Let me explain to you why you will fail. The simple fact that you require people to sign a Non-Disclosure Contract (NDC) is in itself a non-starter. Guys here are already doing research and we will eventually break the OU barrier. It will happen sooner then you may think.
So why should anyone with a smart mind sign you paper that would thereafter keep that persons mouth shut. FOR WHAT? To keep them quiet when in fact it would provide one more person to spread the word. Where is this smart? If you are serious, you will stop this bullshiting around and just disclose what you have and let the world work it out themselves and you can provide guidance, but keeping people on a short leash is not the answer and only provides you with control over other people, to which I would recommend anyone to NOT GET SUCKED INTO SIGNING ANYTHING THAT SHUTS YOUR MOUTH.
We've seen so many guys like you with a quasi crackpot attitude coming here with such grand claims, then slowly but surely trying to suck in people that refuse to read between the lines.
The basic rule on this forum is FULL DISCLOSURE otherwise people here already know to be very suspicious of anyone. You want to help the world, fine, great, fantastic, tremendous. So help the world by just disclosing and letting the world handle it instead of you handling the world because I can tell you now, you will not be able to.
The only way free energy will survive on this planet is if it is open source. The last thing you want is to shout out "I have OU" and then say you are not part of the clique if you do not sign my NDC before I will tell you all. By doing so, you just alienated yourself from so many world forces that will only have one alternative, to stop this. The premise is very simple for all the forces on this planet and that is "IF we can't get it, then no one will". The only way around this is total and full open disclosure where everyone gets the information at the same time so everyone now becomes your friend and no one has any reason to stop you because everyone is getting the same serving of knowledge.
So what you are doing when asking people to sign your NDC is putting them in undue danger since they will have this information in hand and not be able to disclose it in their active areas and therefore become one more solitary target.
If you think in advance before you type all this stuff, you will realize that your tactic is not smart and needs some reorientation. Think about it before you slam me down. I am not your boy, not your son, not your dad, not your mother, I am not related to you, save that we are both Earthlings (I hope). I am only related to OU and the interests of the world regarding anything that might help this cause. Putzing around when humanity is at the cusp of great world challenges is like saying MY NEEDS SURPASS THOSE OF THE WORLDS and we all know that would not be the case.
wattsup
Atom,
Sorry you have to "show the cat" as you claim that it's in a black bag, and until there is a disclosure of the "cat" even a tail or a head, even thou it's making cat noise it may be NO CAT !!!
................And until you show the head or the tail there is no sale.. !!!
Tom Bearden got the award for is contribution to FREE ENERGY RESEARCH, he may have gotten parts wrong, but all science is the elimination of the wrong path.
"U"turns are in all branches of research !!
Correction are endemic to all life even FREE ENERGY RESEARCH..
Acca..
P.s.
Wattsup you have written an elegant answer to what FREE ENERGY is about.
"It"s about disclosure with no restrictions".. and here at OVERUNITY all ideas will BE ACCEPTED right or wrong ...
Being smarter and more educated requires a responsibility to use that education for good, and not for evil..
GET IT..!!!
@Atom
What the hell are you talking about, global bonds, 200B$, this is all nice dreams. And why only 200B$, when it should be 200T$ at least. Do you realize the level of control you would be under if you were bonded for such amounts. Every breath you take would be scrutinized by these money men because they will only want to see one word, PROFIT, and to preserve profit, you will be put into a tight squeeze. You think they will let you roam around freely. They will own your balls and squeeze them whenever they see you stray from their money model. WTH are you thinking man.
Then another very simple and unstoppable fact. As soon as you disclose, within 6 months everything you made evident will already be rendered obsolete because others will have improved it, modified it and deployed it into so many factors of life. Otherwise Henry would still be on top the the totem pole with his Model-T. Get with the program here. Nothing in OU that will be disclosed will remain pertinent for long because that's what humans do. We make things better then they were or at least we try.
The one thing that OU researchers need to stock up on is a big mountain of humility, knowing that your present OU invention will not last long but will still forever remain a pioneering catalyst for OU change. Ask for anything more then that is like hoping the Piranhas did not see you jump into the water.
By disclosing open source, you just saved yourself a lifetime of business grief since you would not have to deal with controlling anything. If the Big Boys want to take the info and run with it, fine, even better. As long as everyone has the same disclosure then no one can control it. The tactic to use is not regular business. You need to deploy anti-business. Whatever a sound business would do to protect its assets, you need to do the reverse because the Bad Guys only know how to deal with the rules of the former. Anti-business is not being "against business" but it is only using the reverse logic to deploy something that could be stopped if using regular business tactics.
Example: As a regular business entity, try patenting your device. hahahahaha Then you will know that doing standard is not the answer. Forget the patent, forget the NDA, forget any expectations of BUSINESS AS USUAL. This is OU and it can only survive with anti-business tactics.
1) If Regular Business (RB) needs to sign contracts to license its intellectual property, then do the opposite, give it away with a handshake.
2) If RB requires to limit the number of worldwide dealers, distributors to protect exclusive territories, then do the opposite, no exclusives, no territories, everyone can have it and there are NO CONDITIONS.
3) If RB is used to kneeling down before money mongers, ten do the opposite, ask for money without any conditions save the one to deploy open source. There are people out there that want this and have the means to help if it is a true situation.
What is the point if you are trying to save the world if you do not trust the world enough in the first place? Yes, countless people blew up while designing the first steam locomotives, and, that may be the case here for the first OU devices, but this cannot be stopped. You need to trust the world that it will deploy this tech, maybe some in bad ways, but usually 99% in helpful ways, so we can live with those odds and are already living with even worse odds. We don't need Papa OU to nurse us around. WE NEED OU NOW MAN, not after any conditions.
The more companies can get their heads into it, the more competition and the more competition, the lower the price will be for these devices. This is not a get rich quick scheme, it's a help Earth quick scheme. You throw the chips in the air and let them fall where they may. As one human, you cannot expect to do any more then that at this fledgling state where OU David is still in a constant fight against Big Money Goliath.
wattsup
A lot of dirt in this topic. Arrogance and egos exacerbated. Some who believe they know everything and are full of certitudes, others who dare to ask without making any personal effort to achieve a proper conclusion, and many who try to manipulate all others. No one really interested in finding the cause of what we call magnetism, of course excluding Ken who has the courage to overturn the academic foundations of modern science. Congratulation Ken and stay away from this mess.
" Arrogance and egos exacerbated."
True yes and I'm no exception.this thread is run amuck!
I keep looking and there's a huge amount of exciting stuff going on out there.
Galactic magnetic fields and even inter-galactic magnetic fields.
Then I found the Event Horizon telescope which is absolutely huge.
Then I discovered how a nuclear explosion works, apparently billions of Rolex
watches are over-wound and all disintegrate in an instant.
Right dad and ima really gona try lurn that language of the qp's too. peace,love to all for 2016 from moi
Oh dear! My favourite topic seems to have all but died.
I really felt that I was getting somewhere with the suggestions
that the CycleGuy made. If the QVZPE field is for real things
start to make a lot of sense,to me anyway.
To me the whole jig-saw is starting to reveal a picture and
and it's so exciting that people are out there striving to find
another piece.
I'm sad because my life is almost over won't get to see much
more but I'm also glad that I stumbled onto the topic and I've got
a bit of an idea of how things work, it's all so beautiful.
Thanks Atom, there's another 4 elements allowed onto the table.
Think harmonics, give third movement of Beethoven's violin
concerto a go!
Savour the best cigar,indulge in the finest coffee,sip some quality
champagne and find a chunk of well made Stilton.
How does a little photon from say a star 1000 light years away manage to
keep on going? If there is a QVZPE Field and it works as they say, does the
photon borrow from that energy and pay-back in the time allowed?
I've never managed to get to the bottom of "can you see stars when in
space". I presume that light in the visible spectrum travels through space
until it hits something. I think as far as the moon goes there's too much
light reflected to allow stars to show up. I wonder if PinkFloyd could help me
out on this one?
Actually Atom we grew wheat on the farm this year so we have tons
of the stuff at the moment. The price has been very poor and costs
are high so we can do better seeding it down to ordinary grass.
many years ago when I was a child we used to chew wheat grain until they become like gum. and then I felt like in the movies with John Wayne. and do that even now I come across wheat fields.
no one will accept the fact that light can not be seen from outer deep space, from Moon or from cislunar space, because they'll have to demolish the entire scaffolding of values and theories, and with them the entire current civilization.
accepting there is no light in the outer space of the Universe, as we see it here on Earth and maybe on other planet's magnetospheres, give more than 100% credits to Ken's theory of missing space and his magnetic theory. And of course of others who bent on this subject, like for example Tesla.
now making an analogy, how is to explain the Universe rules as they are seen from the Earth, and to claim these are the ultimate divine truth and shape and limit the humans mind according to them? humans who are just guests on this planet!
But as always, each human being has the right to choose what he want, the same you can choose what you are comfortable with. But keep in mind that there is no light and dark as two opposed things rather than breathe in and breathe out. Opposed or complementary? To be or not to be?
This is the best I can do.
Quote from brianb.
"The Apollo astronauts reported being able to see the brighter stars
if they stood in the shadow of the LM. and raised the protective visor"
The gold coloured visor was to protect eyes from harmful UV as there
was no atmosphere.
John.
As usual, you do believe what others say that somebody would have said, instead to believe what the respective clearly said. and of course you did the best of what you are comfortable with not what you can really do!
Pay attention to these words:
"Today we have with us a group of students, among America's best. To you we say, we have only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. There are places to go beyond belief. "
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx1SURbb3g
Truth is always uncomfortable in our society! Or as Churchill said: "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
I thought the people of Sadang might have been very busy winding
all those watches but it seems that it was in N.Korea they've been
busy at it.
I agree it is a bit of an "odd" statement that Neil Armstrong gives.
I remember the moon landing day well,I was cleaning the dairy and
the radio I was listening to was hanging on a door and just about
the critical time the string broke and my radio hit the floor.
Joking aside, I really hate the thought of deployment of nuclear weapons.
Radioactive contamination must be avoided at all costs, the consequences
are so detrimental to life and so very long-lasting, what the .... are future
generations going to think of us?
Is it a bit "odd"? Hmmm! Do you want to really know something "odd", which btw is not odd at all in some circles but only to large masses of people? Here it is: "Of all data collected and information uncovered by us during this flight, perhaps the most important and startling is that there is a LETHAL RADIATION BELT ON THE MOON apparently extending from about 65 miles above the Moon surface, down to approximately 15 feet above the Moon surface. At this later point, the belt stops suddenly and the Moon surface seems to be very pleasant and most healthful for the astronauts who were waling on the Moon Surface.... The Moon has two RADIATION BELTS, one GOOD and one BAD. Perhaps it would be more correct to call the BAD one LETHAL. Our tests show that all the Vitality values go down to just above half normal and the Carcinogenic readings go sky high."
These words are based on an unconventional technology of the 50s. Unconventional means in this case a not electromagnetic telemetry technology. Did you heard until now about this technology or about these two belts? Can you imagine what happened with this technology now, after 65 years of secret development?
And with this post I close the Moon chapter on this topic. Happy research to all interested about the subject, but let's go back to Ken's fundamental magnetic fields and their point of origin, the dielectric inertial plane, from which space concept and all things with their qualities and intrinsic characteristics come.
Element93RD, YOU SOUND LIKE you HAVE a lot of answers! I guess my respects. BUT the answers you give does not make sense... THE MAGNETIC VORTEX IS AN IN-VALANCE OF ENERGY! The magnetic field has to gather magnetic fields from the air in order to maintain keeping on being a magnet. Where a magnet is an imbalance of electrical energy! The imbalance is the vortex! Tell me the beginning of the vortex and the end of the vortex!? Tell me the start of a race and the end of a race? WHY DO THE ATOMS NEED TO WIN? = vortex?!
I think it is time to start killing stupid people and START helping people!
ALL OF THE NAZI SUPPORTERS! GONE!
All off the jealous people! GONE!
All off the people with weak muscles = gone!! along with gay people!
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS HOW TO MAKE THE PEOPLE LIIVE 100 years longer?
At your age, elemept93rd, how much longer will yo live?
And what/how would you like to be remembered? With a statue?
With people throwing fire crackers?
With remembering your mustache?
How stupid and nerdy you are?
How on overunity this guy died to say that overunity is fake!?
How this guuy died and never taught annybody?
You are a bad teacher element93rd, how does magnetism work?
minnie, you keep on asking questions BUT NEVER GIVE ANSWERS!
OLD matchmaker trying to be entertained! srry!
go to Kelly Den Adel | Buddhist Books Blog for an insight.
For me the CycleGuy has blown the whole thing out of the
water.
minnie, lets seee your intelligence once and for all because you have to participate in the evolution of energy? Or, at least< in the crazy stuff people are throwing out here....STOP and once and for all speak about YOUR OWN THEORIES! NOT! what he said she said...lets hear what you have to say from all of this learning you have achieved? Speak your opinions! Don't reference anyone else! = You have to learn sometime!! hehehehe ...lets hear what you have learned...soooo someone else does not repeat it again! :)
Lement93rd, perhaps you may need to ask the question from where does magnetism come from? AND what does magnetism help in exchange for magnetic molecular exchange?
The moon having a protective layer and a "dangerous" layer? Common man! That is elementary...what type of element does not have a "dangerous" barrier!?
Water? Pffftt...drink 6 gallons a day? Pfft, 6 gallons of mud a day to water = what?
You need to MAP the ATOM! The atom is a 3D atom. And it gathers energy from the air too. It does not feed itself! The surrounding particles feed all atoms and sounds!
Just like your number 9! How do you think it got fed alllll the way to number 9? Well, it all started from the "big bang" of 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 and thennn? 0 I already told you that a clock is a vortex too and ONLY a clock of the geometrical time and NOT the galactic time!
Human time is an illusion of space time. Space time breaks the laws of human time. HENCE, FREEE energy is all over around us. HENCE a magnet needs to eat energy and poop energy in order to maintain a magnet! You should already understand this stuff broh!
How does a 9 keep on being a nine when the earth is rotating around the sun at 66, 659 miles an hour? Do you even feel the perception of the speed? And how do you know that the sun speed is traveling around the universe? And how do you know how fast the galaxy is traveling around the universe? And how do you know the universe is not traveling at 7 times the speed of light?
Now I am wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy thinking beyond magnetism....if I rewind back to this "vortex" of magnetism...what makes you think that the AC current is not a "sine wave"? If the sinne wave NEVER disipates, it must be coming from a hugggeeeee speaker?
EVERYthing points to FREEE energy and VORTEX-like! SO just take i t and progress further in this puny life!
Lesson 1 - ether:
- Ether is counterspace, and likewise cannot be IN SPACE, rather space is within the Ether when manifest in phenomena or polarized
- Ether is the inertial plane whose XYZ-axis is at every "point" in which space can be found within the Ether but not the inverse, but of course this Ether precedes space itself and defines space which is co-relational only to magnitudes (not mass, which is the domain of the Ether) and time
- Ether is the "ultimate" medium (Tesla often interchanged the term "medium" with "Ether") - being a perfect "fluid" and transporting independent carriers
- Ether is always trying to terminate back into counterspace, its origin and fulcrum, it is only by reciprocation, movements and countless other phenomena that it is "kept" in space (for a short while, but an eternity as measured by the life of any human)
Lesson 2 - modalities of ether:
- dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q;
- "electrons" do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields
- dielectric inertial plane is the basis for understanding dielectricity, counterspace, the creation of a magnet, AC transmission lines, and the entire spatial-counterspatial magneto-dielectric geometry that governs the entire cosmos
- magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge
- gravity is centripetal and dielectric in basis
- electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization
- electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force
Lesson 3 - counterspace:
- Counterspace is literally the space between space itself, the very omnipresent membrane of the Ether which requires conjugate field forces to bring it into space or create electrical or dielectric, or magnetic phenomena, or the even the creation of matter
- counterspace is the fulcrum of phenomena and is the inertial plane, or membrane of the Ether from which all phenomena are manifest in space
- Counterspace is the noumenon, which when disturbed, gives rise to phenomena
- counterspace is the opposite of space
- Counterspace is just a conceptual means of speaking about the Ether plane, where everything is produced, and all fields are based in this "medium". Tesla knew this, Steinmetz, Heaviside, Maxwell, and even the fool Einstein, before he lost his mind, agreed that understanding is impossible without the Ether
- Counterspace is the opposite of any and all movement definitionally, only phenomena (as both meant and implicative of space) have movement, are divergent
Lesson 4 - space:
- Space is not a field and fails the scientific definition of either subject or object
- Space is only relational to masses and magnitudes and the distances between them
- Space is a dimensional abstraction
- Space is the vector of phenomena
- Space is the divergent remainder of counterspace in loss of its inertia in distension from its Ether fulcrum at which point we
differentiate this Ether modality as magnetism
- Space is movement, which is the loss of inertia which is space
- space is anything or has properties or is an entity with attributes to a principle we deem as "space". Ultimately this space is unwound in convergent bodies via gravity, or dielectric voidance, or centripetal charges
- Space is literally a rubber band, a seemingly (only so) static pressure awaiting dielectric (gravitational, inertial dielectric in a "magnet", or charge, as crudely called attraction) voidance to loose its inflation and impel objects and fields in increasing movement in rapid spatial deflation of contracting spheres of movement being unwound (i.e. space) towards increasing potential inertia and decreasing spatial discharges towards higher states of inertia potential
- Space is merely a posterior expression of polarization, and time is a posterior expression of space in measurement
- Space is definitionally movement and the byproduct of magnetic polarized field divergences
- space is only the attributional quality of movement which defines it
- Space is definitionally movement, relativity is a pure farce
- Space is wholly an unreal stereographic projection of inertia in discharge
- space is supported by and created by the loss of dielectric inertia
- Space is a terminal for nothing, and of nothing. Space has never "done anything", nor caused anything. Space is the
posterior attribute of fields
Lesson 5 - dielectricity:
- dielectricity is the fundamental Ether-modality of the entire cosmos
- dielectricity is the Ether under torsion and torque at its inertial plane
- dielectricity is counterspace
- dielectricity is the Ether boundary, the inertial plane, and the membrane at which only another conjugate polarized field can torque to create other phenomena
- dielectricity is counterspatial, is centripetal, is inertial and does not act on (most) other phenomena
- dielectricity is the conjugate of magnetism
- dielectricity is a versor in counterspace
- dielectricity is greater inverse to the space
- dielectricity is counterspatial, inertial, radial, and centripetal
- dielectricity is electropositive
- dielectricity is necessitatively divergent in discharge in an expanding circulatory fashion
- dielectricity is to gravitation as electricity is to magnetism
- dielectricity is the point causation for the creation of mass/gravity
- dielectricity is a superluminal radial and counterspatial inertial plane in the inter-atomic
Lesson 6 - dielectric inertial plane:
- dielectric inertial plane is the counterspatial XY-axis of non-opposition between magnetic circular reciprocation centrifugally and centripetally, which create, as is necessitated, binary CW and CCW field lines of motional disturbance. At the dielectric inertial line the two reciprocating magnetic field gradients are nullified and in equilibrium
- dielectric inertial plane is incommensurate within ANY and ALL magnets, as any child can prove in cutting a magnet along
the dielectric plane a trillion times (if it was possible) you will have a trillion more magnets with CW and CCW spin on either side and in the middle between the two a dielectric inertial plane, a "Bloch wall" in incorrect parlance. However in cutting a magnet even once perpendicular to the inertial plane you will not have moved the inertial plane, only bifurcated it in division (not actual division) between two new masses
- dielectric inertial plane is the rebounding point, acting like reflectors for the Ether bubble as meant the magnetic pressure CW and CCW movements
- dielectric inertial plane is the equator of a gravitational sphere, which can be seen from any field-viewing medium
Lesson 7 - magnetism:
- magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself
- magnetism is radiation, is definitionally the "dielectric field"- Faraday (and Maxwell)
- magnetism is the cause of the acceleration, rather inductive polarization by means of dielectric coherency
- magnetism is a pressure gradient of the Ether
- magnetism is a secondary response to dielectric forces
- magnetism is purely radiative, is the termination of electrification and the end-of-road byproduct of dielectricity
- magnetism is identical in that CW on CW approaches are a counter-voidance inertial plane torque of immense resistance.
- magnetism is only present as an attribute to another which is prior (however both are co-eternal and consubstantial, or "where there is one you will always find the other")
- magnetism is radiation by definition
- magnetism is the dielectric field – Michael Faraday
- magnetism is the discharge Ether modality of dielectricity in termination.
- magnetism is the radiative discharge of dielectricity, or electrification in discharge at which time it terminates AS magnetism in losing its dielectric component.
- magnetism is spatial
- magnetism is but one force itself, however as magnetism is purely spatial in denotation it is polarized but as one moving Ether "sink" and "bubble"; magnetism has but one movement not two, nor "two poles", CW and CCW are spatial abstractions of a singular movement of the magnetic field itself.
- magnetism is a spatial dimension
- magnetism is a versor solely of space (being circular, but not IN space, rather has an attributional quality OF space since a polarized Ether modality "contains space" but is not in space).
- magnetism is definitionally polarized, it moves as pressure dictates it must
- magnetism is the "dielectric field", is dielectricity in discharge, the radiation of same
- magnetism is a resultant of coherent inter-atomic dielectricity aligned to yield resultant polarized magnetic reciprocations
- magnetism is literally the polarized spatial "breaks" upon which the universe is self-regulating
- magnetism is the spatial "recoil" of electricity in termination, but is not the conjugate of electricity as conceived predominately as
"electromagnetism"
- magnetism is purely a spatial phenomena (as space) in circulation
- magnetism is almost rather literally a magneto-dielectric gyroscope in which the dilated inter-atomic dielectric "flywheel" created in electrification is counterbalanced by the centrifugal and centripetal (polarized) Z-axial magnetic aperture, which is the accurate model
of magnetism, up to a point
- magnetism is a spatial circular reciprocating vortex, an Etheric pair of fountains and countersinks
- magnetism is definitionally spatial movement
- magnetism is a versor with (space in the field) space
- magnetism is the basis for the quadrature of the universe
- magnetism is a spatial field
- magnetism is a spatial conjugation, a polarization moving outwards in increasing and decreasing pressure gradients towards the dielectric inertial plane, whereas the centripetal counterspatial dielectric increases towards electro-stable generation and is discharged, or terminated in mass and resultantly gravity.
- magnetism is, of course, merely a polarized Ether bubble from electrification (not "magnetization" as conventionally understood by the common person) of the iron, or neodymium-iron-boron mass, or in an electromagnet, or as is the case in the inter-atomic magneto-dielectric
volume
- magnetism is merely the model expression of Ether polarization in a spatially reciprocating circular
- magnetism is spatial, circular, centrifugal (and centripetal) and polarized
- magnetism is literally the polarization of dielectricity
- magnetism is strictly an end product of dynamic polarization into static radiative polarization, or as the byproduct of dielectric saturation which expels the resident magnetism in a system
- magnetism is created as a byproduct of dielectric manipulation, either by electrification into a mass which distorts the dielectric (meaning acceleration and capacitance) and likewise in turn the magnetic, or as the necessitated conjugate to electrification in TEM
- magnetism is Ether in preturbative movement
- magnetism is a posterior resultant to a prior which is dielectric coherency
- magnetism is by nature the rotary polarized terminus of electricity, a waste product and necessitated conjugate terminal of charge-discharge terminals of natural electrical inertia and momentum
- magnetism is a hyperbolic torque (tension) by which the Ether modality of inertia in discharge mediates its own discharge in creating the hyperboloid of magnetic centrifugal divergence against the inertial "line" of the dielectric inertial plane of the so-called "magnet" (the coherent dielectric object) and mediates this pressure by polarized reciprocation and transverse reintegration once inertia has been regained
- magnetism is the necessitated spatial expression of inertial loss of dielectricity, which causes spatial reciprocation as the Ether modality of magnetism after which time it must terminate where dielectric voidance is lowest, centripetally on the other pole.
- magnetism is the radiation, the hyperboloid spatial vectorization and polarization of dielectricity in discharge
- magnetism is a circumferential force
Lesson 8 - gravity:
- gravity is the terminal of dielectricity (as mass in creation, atrributionally gravity after the fact)
- gravity is at the counterspatial (directively, but accumulatively spatial, as mass) all-P radial-axis with magnetism, electricity and dielectricity comprising every point within its sphere. As mass centrifugally accumulates, gravitation centripetally reciprocates within the expanding radius of its field
- gravity is centripetal and dielectric in basis, as the terminator of the dielectric
Lesson 9 - electricity:
- electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization
- electricity is utterly a mass-free phenomena, as mentioned by many including Dr. Wilhelm Reich in his "Cosmic Superimposition". Mass has no logical or theoretical place in electrical units and all particle-based conceptions of it are impossible. There is no mass in T.E.M. (transverse electromagnetism)
- electricity is the dynamic radial or reciprocating polarization of the Ether
- electricity is comprised of two components:
--- dielectricity – generated by a capacitor, counter-space phenomena; storage and return of dielectric energy
--- magnetism – generated by a coil of wire, decaying electricity, spatial phenomena; storage and return of magnetic energy; electro-motor force;lines per second
- electricity is the product of Phi (magnetism) and Psi (dielectricity), is definitionally a hybrid Ether modality of the product of Phi and Psi
- electricity is the product of electrostatics and magnetism, as meant dielectricity and magnetism (F x ? = Q, or electrification)
- electricity is a hybrid Ether-modality of F x ?
- electricity is a hybrid of both magnetism and dielectricity in a circuit working together to create electricity
- electricity is the dynamic radial or reciprocating polarization of the Ether
- electricity is centripetal towards the nucleus
- electricity is Phi x Psi (dielectric and magnetic)
- electricity is a spherical centripetal force
Lesson 10 - electron:
- All "electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force (as reified by the incorrect understanding of the definition of a "field"), these pressure gradients, or "lines" are contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving motion to the terminus "electron".
- "electrons" have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; the so-called "electrons" are the rate at which electricity is destroyed.
- electron is only a shadow; its apparent-only physical mass is merely an electrical momentum (ejected by the dielectric inertia in disturbance).
- To describe an "electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions." – W. Russell
- Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit. One corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not an electron, it is a constituent of what today is known incorrectly as an electron. (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron). In this view, that taken by W. Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not "electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether." – E. Dollard
- "electrons" represent energy dissipation. However, the cult of quantum, and the ill informed fool all tell us that the "electron" is a subatomic particle and charge carrier, and is that which conveys energy, this is complete irrational nonsense!
- There is no rest mass to an "electron". It is given here the "electron" is no more than a broken loose "hold fast" under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. Obviously this reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein's Theory of Relativity. – E. Dollard
- Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the "electron", on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated - C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses)
- The idea of electricity as a flow of "electrons" in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings
- "electrons as a separate, distinct entity... doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a "field". - Dr. Steve Biller
- Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction.
- The so-called "electrons" are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "electrons", nor assuredly are there energy discharges in the vacuum of space involving "electrons"; the "electron" is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist.
- There are no "electrons" in or comprising an atom, as has been amply mentioned.
- There are however no "electrons", this fundamental error carries on today.
- Since we know "electrons" are not particles, but a misunderstanding of magneto-dielectric fields in motion, we can examine atomic orbital geometry with perfect lucid clarity.
- It was found that the orbiting "electrons" around a nucleus could not be fully described as particles, but needed to be explained by the wave-particle duality. In this sense, the "electrons" have the following properties:
(What this really means is that enormous evidence against the electron-bead model of the atom forced another quantum "Alice in Wonderland" answer from the cult of quantum to explain atomic geometry, this time as "wave particle duality" absurdity.)
Wave-like properties:
--- 1. The "electrons" do not orbit the nucleus in the sense of a planet orbiting the sun, but instead exist as standing waves. The lowest possible energy an electron can take is therefore analogous to the fundamental frequency of a wave on a string. Higher energy states are then similar to harmonics of the fundamental frequency.
(What this really means is that the so-called "electron" is a magneto-dielectric field whose wave/undulatory mechanics are dependent upon the nucleal makeup)
--- 2. The "electrons" are never in a single point location, although the probability of interacting with the electron at a single point can be found from the wave function of the electron.
(What this really means is there is no such thing as an electron outright, it has no point, no locus, therefore cannot be a particle, and yet the magnetic and dielectric interactions can be explained by wave functions.)
Particle-like properties:
--- 1. There is always an integer number of "electrons" orbiting the nucleus.
(This is purely conjecture and speculation)
--- 2. "electrons" jump between orbitals in a particle-like fashion. For example, if a single photon strikes the "electrons, only a single "electron" changes states in response to the photon.
(This is purely conjecture and speculation, what this means is if another dielectric outside charge strikes the atom its charge state geometry changes in response to the change in charge, creating an imbalance in the inter-atomic magneto-dielectric volume)
--- 3. The "electrons" retain particle like-properties such as: each wave state has the same electrical charge as the "electron" particle. Each wave state has a single discrete spin (spin up or spin down).
(This is nonsense, even under the heading of particles, they cannot escape the fact that the so-called "electron" has no particle-nature, no reality as such)
Well, at least you got one thing right:
Quote
This is nonsense...
... the fact that the so-called "electron" has a particle-nature....
TinselKoala,
this is "new science" you don't have to adhere to what is
thought to be fact.
You and me are in the "dark ages".
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 08, 2016, 06:09:45 PM
TinselKoala is right its total nonsense !!!
lesson 1
Not one of the above is correct not one ........ ''''' !!! Either is empty space !!!'' ither is empty space Magnetic fields are polarised harmonic standing waves produced by electron spin !
lesson 2
Never try and re invent the laws of physics or you will end up like tesla !!! Jumping out of a window with fairy wings thinking he can fly hahahaha and that is a true story ....... Tesla never made a loop on anything and there is much doubt if he was the first to make an AC generator ....
>>>>>Either is empty space <<<< you what ? explain that line Please ¬!
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 08, 2016, 06:09:45 PM
TinselKoala is right its total nonsense !!!
lesson 1
Not one of the above is correct not one ........ !!! Either is empty space !!! Magnetic fields are polarised harmonic standing waves produced by electron spin
'Either is empty space' you what, explain statement please ! ;)
Sounds a bit like a "vacuum catastrophe".
Quote from: minnie on January 08, 2016, 12:48:03 PM
TinselKoala,
this is "new science" you don't have to adhere to what is
thought to be fact.
You and me are in the "dark ages".
Not only is it not science, it isn't even new.
Science... the real kind that is used to engineer devices that work, that describes the world in a coherent manner with well defined, non-contradictory terms and mathematics... makes predictions that are testable by experiment. It allows mathematical descriptions of reality. It takes observations, uses them to construct testable hypotheses, and results in even greater control over phenomena in the real world. In that mishmash up above, just look and see how many contradictions and multiple definitions of the same thing you can find. They abound. Now look again and see how many actual predictions of observations can be found, that are not covered by the Standard Model of particle physics and Quantum Electrodynamics. There are none. Look yet again, and see if you can derive things like the Fine Structure Constant from the mishmash. You can't. Look even further and find, if you can, one single engineered device that uses the "concepts" that are written down there, but isn't covered by this "old science of the Dark Ages" that they pretend to replace. You cannot.
Show that bunch of claptrap to the persons who use particle beam lithography to build the chips your computer works on... and they'll laugh at you. Show it to the people who build and fly rockets to launch space probes that travel to distant planets and even leave the Solar system... and they'll bust a gut in hilarity. Show it to the faculty at MIT, and you'll probably get sent to the Funny Farm. Only on fringe websites like this one, and with people who cannot actually do anything that resembles real Science, will you find nonsense like that getting any traction. And you _still_ won't be able to find any engineered thing, any mathematics, or even any properly performed experiments that support the "theory" that generated the nonsense.
"Genuine Overunity" from a Bismuth sphere placed next to a magnet !! Eric $d ranting about hollow suns and invisible stars in space! That's the only kind of "support" you'll ever see for the nonsense "theories" of Walter Russel and others of his ilk.
I TOTALLY CONQUER WITH SADANG.. IT MIGHT BE A LOT A BIT OVER YOUR HEAD TK.
BUT IF A POWER GENERATOR IS WEIGHTED IN KILOGRAMS BEFORE IT START SO CALL
GENERATING ELECTRICITY AND WEIGHTED AGAIN A 100 THOUSAND YEARS LATER AFTER
PUSHING OUT ALL THESE electrons DOWN THE POWER LINES, NOW DO THE GENERATOR WEIGHT THE SAME..
@TinselKoala
Quote...It allows mathematical descriptions of reality...
Rather it allows mathematical shaping of reality, ie a disaster and mess against the external and human being internal nature! In few words just circular thinking available in the curent so called scientific paradigm!
Are you and others like you part of something like this?
- http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/clean-energy-suppression.html
hehehehee, not trying insult but this made me laugh hard...
"You and me are in the "dark ages".
This coming from a guy that is a sheep farmer! = just an old bored guy to get to read comments to keep en getting entertained!
Minnie is just a sheep farmer with no knowledge regarding deep molecular thoughts. He is more like a cheer leader happy for people to keep on debating...hehehehe
If you ask minnie how big is the universe, he will quickly google it to try to give you an answer....if you ask anything ANYTHING, he needs to have someone else answer his questions lol.
Start googling right now bro so you can "defend" yourself...lol
Minnie, you are a character.
Element93rd, it is time to show what you mean with evidence. I personally do not find you that smart! But you have great achievements? I want to insult you regarding those!
At this very moment I think you are a CRAZY guy, but if you SHOW your evidence, you will become my god! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, show us what you are talking about?
Element93rd, this is your time to "shine" or to get laughed at! ENOUGH! With trying to feel like you are smarter than everyone just WITH WORDS!
QuoteI have an either bubble making motor !!!! for real !!!!
Show it already? Teach! People...that is our responsibility! And to call stupid people stupid! So are you stupid or smart? To me, you sond like you are kind of crazy in the head BUT AT THE SAME TIME, you are not crazy enough!
How is your evidence/facts? In electrical schematic form or 2 year old squiggles on paper....doe not matter. Time to shut up and put up!
You have been banned from here 4 times, I know you are not scared of that....but you keep on coming back! To teach the masses or to get banned again? Lets change that and LEARN!
You are the same like TA, SIMPLE! You are here to "prove" that the vortex is NOT real, BUT YET< you back up your "theories" with vortex assumptions!?
EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE NUMBER 1_9 WORKS? Or how the EYE BALL cannot hear? How your thoughts communicate due to electricity? How you where not born a female with big tits? lol
"It allows a mathematical shaping", but Mother Nature doesn't do math!
Quote from: minnie on January 09, 2016, 02:55:30 AM
"It allows a mathematical shaping", but Mother Nature doesn't do math!
lol....explain how mother nature does not do math? hehehe OR, who are you quoting..hehehehe
Quote from: minnie on January 09, 2016, 02:55:30 AM
"It allows a mathematical shaping", but Mother Nature doesn't do math!
You get the point minnie, next step is to comprehend what you get! namely, who and why do an require math!
Shit minnie, logged off? Pfft, scardy cat? Man, how do you have a decent debate with that guy? I guess he needs to go google stuff... lol
Mimi mother nature is fully automated, she fuck she triangulate she blows she destroy she manipulate she masturbate
she spins she is reciprocate she re procreate she suffocate SHE JUST A TOTAL BITCH..
Nature does the math and takes the path of least resistance,from a
waterfall to a ferrocell!
[Nature does the math] while a little time ago you said "mother nature doesn't do math!"
lol, mennie, get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich. Just like I thought, a groupie! = nothing WOW factor will come from you....= you are a cheerleader at most...:)
Do you know how to sharpen the hair clipper to shave the sheep? Do you know how to sharpen the scissors? Do you know how sheep feel naked? Lol stuff that does not require for you to think wayyyyyyyyy low to the ATOM level.
Why does a proton keeps on spinning around the atom? Why does an atom "need" protons and electrons to spin around it to keep on surviving? I'm sure you know all of these FREEEE energy answers of mother nature math?
We have a lovely machine for sharpening our combs and cutters.
It requires a bit of skill to use it properly.
Nature doesn't do math is one of Kelly's main selling points.
Nature doesn't do straight lines is another.
Minnie, let me learn from you how to shave sheep?
"We have a lovely machine for sharpening our combs and cutters.
It requires a bit of skill to use it properly. "
Can you post a video? Because I don't know how can that be achieved? :P
Can you show a video of such machine? Today!
Quote from: sadang on January 09, 2016, 01:38:24 AM
@TinselKoala
Rather it allows mathematical shaping of reality, ie a disaster and mess against the external and human being internal nature! In few words just circular thinking available in the curent so called scientific paradigm!
Are you and others like you part of something like this?
- http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/clean-energy-suppression.html (http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/clean-energy-suppression.html)
Hilarious! You link to a website owned by proven scammers who have fled the USA to a place where they cannot be extradited. Those people have done more to hurt research into clean energy than anyone on this forum, that's for sure, and they've made hundreds of thousands of dollars doing it. There is still no self running QEG, no QEG that can be "started with a crank mechanism", no QEG that powers a home or a water pump. Yet "HopeGirl"... or as I call her HypeGirl ... keeps on getting fatter and fatter, because she has gulled a bunch of people into believing a bunch of outright lies.
You get a ROFL for that one !!
Do some research. Look up "One People's Public Trust", look up Heather Tucci-Jarraf. And then maybe you'll know where "Fix The World Project" came from, and where it eventually is going.
Quote from: minnie on January 09, 2016, 04:26:09 AM
We have a lovely machine for sharpening our combs and cutters.
It requires a bit of skill to use it properly.
Nature doesn't do math is one of Kelly's main selling points.
Nature doesn't do straight lines is another.
Is the human mind not a product, part and parcel of "nature"? Of course "Nature" does math, and of course Nature "does" straight lines, as abstractions thought up by that supreme container of nature, the human mind. Put two oranges in an empty bucket. Then put another one in there. Now look in there and count the oranges. If "nature doesn't do math", how come there are three oranges in the bucket, instead of six or ten or two and a half?
Even crows do math. The ones who don't do math are people like the Tattooed Genius Buddhist, who evidently didn't even get past algebra and trigonometry in high school and probably is a total stranger to the calculus. You don't need a lot of maths to design a posture chair for fat people !!
The same people who tell you that "Nature doesn't do math" will go on and on about Fibonacci sequences appearing in plants and animals, converging on the Golden Ratio.... then they'll try to tell you that Pi is not 3.14159.... but some other number close to that, but derived from the Golden Ratio... or even that Pi = 4.
Grinder
Minnie, Do you think I am stupid?
That disc grinder does not sharpen hair clippers!!!
If you do, you pull the hairs from the sheep instead of cutting it...I find you very stupid to be honest. I mean, a farmer :P ....I thought you were going to shouw me how to sharpen a blade with exotic stones and oils, but you post that pic....= not funny nor smart!
And this guy thinks that he knows about MAGNETISM VORTEX! PLEASE!!!! LOL
It's best to use eye protection.
Thane C Heins would love that motor, it's a real "bad starter"
You have to wind it up a bit by hand and then give it a few
bursts on the power.
Thane could make a self charging electric vehicle out of one,
no probs !!,!
Joel, you obviously haven't tried to shear many sheep on
a sandy farm.
"It's best to use eye protection.
Thane C Heins would love that motor, it's a real "bad starter"
You have to wind it up a bit by hand and then give it a few
bursts on the power.
Thane could make a self charging electric vehicle out of one,
no probs !!,!"
LAME! You and me both know that is NOT your SHEEP hair clipper SHARPENER!
I SPECIFICALLY asked to show a VIDEO of the sheep clippers being sharpened! You give this shit? OK cool, no problem, goes to shows how stupid you are!! :P
Look what we got this morning.
This is what we're at, welding for a new building.
We've had record wet and cannot use the land so
we need more covered space.
I'll get a photo of the wretched grinder but I haven't
got a clue how to do a video.
Trial
What the hell just happened! OH! Let me guess...a guy who needs to "ventilate" and talk about stuff that has no context to the main point!
Minnie, show me how you sharpen your hair/sheep clippers and I'll show you a more efficient way. :)...you CANNOT think deeper in the matter of magnetism! I will tell you for free how to sharpen the blade more efficiently though....how sharp do you want them? :P
hehehehe minnie is like another pirate in here or profitis.
QuoteTHE COLA EFFECT !
Are you being serious with me? https://youtu.be/wF7qw6TSP8g
cooolaa? Or cock?
4 Joel.
Minnie, come at me bro...i'll fuck you up eveyrtime! lol You piev=ce of magnetic elemental material. If a father tell me have my daughter for you...are you abligated to take his daughter if you don't want her? hehehe...let me understand minnie's complications.
ARE you serious with me?
and intake port and an exhaust port? hehehehehehe....this guy is funny but a sorry excuse of magnetism! Those baby goats where priceless!!!
But how do you draw a young girl? and form and old guy or a young guy>?
minnie, you don't look day over 80 laugh out loud! https://youtu.be/dmtShneCGv8
Minnie can you allow me to teach you a thing or two? You can learn from my experience to make your life more profitable?
93
I have read somewhere that you said I was a part of some US investment group
I am Plunking away ATM on a teeny screened piece of junk so I am unable to cut and paste your quote
However
I am not now nor have I ever been attached to any business venture associated with this field of alternative energy
Conversely I have spent countless hours assisting open source researchers and continue to do so
During our brief conversation I did mention Angel donors or persons that have offered to assist inventors that wish to open source no strings attached
This model was first proposed to me by Dr.Steven Jones and I had mentioned all of this to you.
So for additional clarity this is a "Worldwide" arangement "no strings attached" (no business or NDA etcetcetc)
Just a method to reward inventors who wish to open source .
Period.
I do not wish to discuss this any further here,but I would like to discuss a meeting with you with your technologies available for black box testing.
Meaning no MO need be mentioned and can remain secret or protected
But test protocols will be geared towards appropriate validation of said claim ?
Respectfully once again
Chetkremens@gmail.com
PS
I am traveling due to a sudden death in the family,may not respond quickly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my-JBLZPq6o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my-JBLZPq6o)
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Edit. First attempt that seems to work,just wanted 8 secs but it seems
to keep going to next vid.
Quote from: joel321 on January 10, 2016, 04:37:57 AM
What the hell just happened! OH! Let me guess...a guy who needs to "ventilate" and talk about stuff that has no context to the main point!
Minnie, show me how you sharpen your hair/sheep clippers and I'll show you a more efficient way. :) ...you CANNOT think deeper in the matter of magnetism! I will tell you for free how to sharpen the blade more efficiently though....how sharp do you want them? :P
hehehehe minnie is like another pirate in here or profitis.
Geeze Minnie, Joel just called you another me. If I were you, I would be very insulted, ha ha. Joel is not fit to sharpen your shears, and probably does not know how to do that anyway. I think he is trying to pull the wool over our eyes. He does not realize that we have seen many of his kind before on here and know what he is about. Before long, Joel will be on the lamb... as they say.
He also argues that sheep are not overunity. Ha!
Bill
Quote from: minnie on January 09, 2016, 05:18:41 AM
Joel, you obviously haven't tried to shear many sheep on
a sandy farm.
Exactly! Very well put Sir.
Bill
Atommix93rdAtom1
« on: Today at 02:39:56 AM »
err isn't this idea of your a little dangerous ? it might be one thing to make one for your self but going into production you might just lose your head when it comes to rejecting the oil thing as their GOD is gold OIL diamonds.
I suspect your thinking of Metglas transformer any way i would like to see what it is your actually offering if that's possible. And i'm very well aware about the other side.
AG
Be aware;
1/. LOL (meaning) is Lucifer our lord
2/. EVP Electronic Voice Phenomenon, a transformer to talk to beings in the spirit world ?
3/. And what on earth do 'charters surveyors' have to do with all this ?
4/. and only a fool would invest in a device you can't protect, and the only person who can make any money out of this device is you.
Well, at least you are posting in the right thread.
Element93rd, let me tell you this...a god is either a 1 or a 0 to an atheist. The Atheist NEVER created the one nor the 0 so the atheist is just a learner of the googol of light years in life. When an athiest triest to tell me that he/she har figured out life, I turn away because she/he has not.
And this is very complicated because mother nature "manipulates" us for the sake of evolution. WE ALL WANT TO HAVE SEX DUE TO EVOLUTION! We don't do it by CHOICE! And there is a math equation to "predict" who will go crazy! BUT SEX SELLS in ALL!
That is "one side of the story" but you also have the "story" of learning how money works. From what I have learned is don't care about starving children and treat workers as donkeys! ...I mean cows....no! I mean slaves! No, I mean kill the poor to sell therm as sausage links?
Which kind of hits me deep! "the most harm people due is to support crazy people!"
Reminds me also OF THE LADDER!
If you are an architect how can you know you are not a killer (softie)? This I mean that ALL of the Disney drawing cartoonist where laid off once the computer CAD drawing started. This is 100% facts. Which I love the digital cartoons coming up. But it shows how the pencil drawers where eliminated no questions asked.
So in all of these facts, element93rd, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO CONVINCE ME ABOUT?
"I don't believe in constraint when it comes to communication"
A good trait atom. very few have this strength
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 12, 2016, 04:19:43 PM
SO ARE WE GOING TO BUILD SPACE SHIPS OR FREE ENRGY TOYS ??? HAHAH
Usually someone comes on the forums, says he has a few ideas on how to go about the OU question and asks guys here for some input. Then we have some others that brag all day, week, month or year long that they have an OU device and will only disclose it under this or that condition which usually winds up being a real fiasco. We have learned a thing of two here at OU and such other forums and the main thing is beware of fancy talkers bringing mysterious gifts. You will have to bow to our modus. Full disclosure and open source otherwise you are just wasting your time here.
Anyways, WTH are you thinking signing NDAs. They are just junk contracts. You sign with a guy and disclose to him. He turns around and discloses it to the world. THEN WHAT?????? You gonna sue someone who most probably is worth less then a box of Crackerjacks. Good luck with that man.
It's too bad. I can sense your spirit is there and wants to help the world but your brain, that damn brain of ours always thinking they are smarter then the hurricane, always winds up blown aside in a ditch.
Look, last word of advice. It sounds like you have many many devices so take the smallest one and disclose it to the world. Just a 10 to 100 watter will save the world man. That's how you can help. Don't try and be a smart ass trying to control how it will pan out. Just let the world figure it out and be there as support. That's what we call trusting your fellow man. Anything less is a mind game you are playing with yourself and you risk being stuck with a bad case of "I am God Syndrome" if it has not set it already. We've seen that before as well.
Anyways, it looks like the only real slogan will be "Many are given the grace but none could resist the glory to then succeed and save humanity". I guess I am asking too much from my fellow human beings. Sanity seems to take a back seat when it comes to OU marketing in a World where the monkeys are still running the zoo. hahahahaha
wattsup
Some things more important than spaceships n toys I just want to rectify something .back in many these threads where I blasphemed against my own baptism,against the Christ.I wash that away in the name of the king of kings Christ Jesus.that's my big sin
93
you want funding you will need validation !, validation we can do here
funding ....not so much [unless you open source and then it will be Angel donors with no strings attached].
the offer is on the table [once again]
we can have very trusted and experienced private individuals assist you in a black box Demmo in the UK to validate your claim of a new power source for mankind.
NOTHING need be revealed, but your device will come under the best scrutiny that money can buy and you will not be charged a penny.
And you'll get a full _Lab_ report to shake your money tree with ....
?
Chetkremens@gmail.com
What Ramset is offering is one and probably the best solution, but there is a second option:
Post your NDA here and watch your email for signed and returned forms.
Beyond that Michael, you are running out of options and getting everyone stirred up for nothing.
"A good plan executed today is better than a perfect plan executed at some indefinite point in the future."
– General George Patton Jr
"Top speed 1000 mph"
Alooota philadelphia needed to get 2 that one wow
So .... we have a device we run it off the grid, right and we can use it to power Gery Anderson's super car with it .... Right ;) So how does that work ? Hmm but suppose i just want to run a few resistive loads educational know how ,,,,, cus that will do me fine, I tell you what, how about we have an NDA but if i like it and i use it for just my self I pay you for it !
Their are no end of devices like this on the market that work already, with this type of arrangement.
I'm not a business man and I'm not interested in production contracts and it's far to dangerous and it's considered destruction of the western economic 'PETRO DOLLAR', witch is considered treason, even to day, and that's going to get you into deep, deep trouble once you try to market it !
93
I will ring you tomorrow if you like ,or right now if you are up and about ?
I know its about 3 AM your time ATM [but you did just post]
trying to understand a bit more....
I'll make a prediction here and now.
There will _never_ be any demonstration of any kind of "free energy", "antigravity", "1000 mph automobile" or any of the other things that this "Atommix93rdAtom1" person has claimed to have. Ramset -- or anyone else -- will never be able to see any working model of any of these things coming from "93rd".
Why not? I know why not, and so do you. They do not exist, they are figments of an inflamed imagination.
And just so you know... there still has been no success in making the "sincere gentleman" Mack's magnet motor, either. And there never will be.
Go ahead... PROVE ME WRONG. Show Ramset a proven working prototype of any of the things that have been claimed up above in those long ranting posts by "93rd". If that should happen, I'll make a public apology and never darken your threads again with my skepticism.
But it will never happen, just like there is no "genuine Free Energy" coming from a bismuth sphere placed next to a magnet. False claims and badly done "experiments" only hurt what genuine people are trying to accomplish here, they do not help. Instead, they "poison the well", making the entire genuine efforts seem silly, and literally incredible, something no respectable and knowledgeable scientist would wish to be associated with.
It's time for the nonsense to stop, folks. Call these bluffs whenever you see them. Demand proof of claims, and if there is any runaround or excuse coming from the claimant, you can be confident that there IS NO PROOF available because the claims are false.
Disappearing YT videos ! That's a real laugh. The only time YT might "disappear" a video is when it clearly violates someone's actual copyright, or promotes outrageous violence (and usually not even that.) And there is always some notice issued when it does happen. Not only that, but there are many other ways a video could be released, such as uploading it to a file-sharing site and then posting the link here.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 12, 2016, 06:25:19 PM
listen TO ME SON ! I am a wise elephant in a land of hungry lions !
@Atom
A wise elephant would have given this open source a long time ago. You're just a greedy fool and your stories are foolish. But you are not alone so don't feel bad. One day, you will know what to do but it will most likely be too late by then. The only tragedy is you are looking for others to walk with you. That is not right. Such private "corporate business" should be done privately and not smeared all over our forum day after day. A wise elephant would have known all this as well.
You do not deserve to have "Atom" in your username. He'd know what to do. hahahaha
You are a fool because you underestimate how the world would pay you back. You want to control, make OU devices that are in solid black boxes that cannot be back engineered so you can keep control, so you are no better then the task masters the world already has. But all you will do is put yourself and others you are asking to follow in grave danger because the knowledge of the device is still in the hands of a few. That is where you made your mistake because in reality, all you think about is the money and fame and glory.
You are not interested in teaching any new knowledge to the world. Just keep them dumb and let them pay for black boxes. You are already talking about crushing any competition. hahahahaha Are you totally crazy? Do you really think the world will just sit by and let you chose who will be on your supply list. You have to be an alien to not realize how futile this is.
Free Energy is exactly that. You disclose it Free and this will preserve your Energy otherwise the World will show you. Free Energy is non-negotiable and belongs to the World, not one man, one company, one group. If you cannot accept that, then you are doomed. You talk about coming together but you are the first one who wants to have control, call all the shots and be another God. Just read your words over and realize, a wise elephant would not use such a losers strategy.
wattsup
I remember that with burning water. It is couple years back, some doctor in research of medicine to cure his cancer sick wife accidentally discovered the salt water can bur if exposed to RF. Not long time ago I heard about it again - some car using this principle. In fact I was thinking about it myself. I live 10 km from Atlantic- that's much of fuel :) also for house heating :)
So, is right to suppose someone need a very popular topic to promote himself, or I'm on the wrong path of thinking?
Is still this a topic about magnetic vortex or about own mind twist? Just common sense questions!
"Is still this a topic about magnetic vortex or about own mind twist?"
Its gone a-crazy this thread but then again talways was
QuoteNow I am here and you will need to keep listening to me as it is very important that you do ! This is a small list of technologies I have invented and is owned by me alone !
1 Unified field oscillator
2 Atomic synthesiser
3 10 kw negative charged coil generator
4 Monopole magnetic field oscillator
5 Magnetic vacuum inertia drive at 2 tone per inch on the drive shaft
6 Infinity magnetic field oscillator
7 Zero point magnetic engine
8 Home generator AC coil transformer
9 Human bio commuter programme
10 Advance plant growth accelerator by up to 10 000 % faster growth than nature
11 Gravitational harmonic field code formula to alter the fabric of space and time
12 The quantum mechanics tool kit
You can claim to have "invented" anything at all, but until you DEMONSTRATE something that actually works as you claim, you are just another bullshit artist.
You will never demonstrate any of these claimed "inventions". Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG. You cannot ! Because all you really have is some fanciful drawings, if you even have that much.
You're like the little kid with a Superman cape, who claims that he can fly. But when taken to the top of the ten-story building and told to PROVE IT.... he chickens out and won't go anywhere near the edge. Why? Because he knows fully well that he's full of BS and can't really fly. Just like you. You can't support your claims with any real evidence, all you can do is whine, threaten, stomp your feet, hold your breath, and _blame others_ for your failure to demonstrate. Nobody believes you!
And pretty soon you'll do what the other blowhard false claimants have done... you'll run away, without ever demonstrating anything, and you'll blame the skeptics like me for running you off and preventing you from sharing your "knowledge" and your "inventions" with the world. You are laughable, along with all the rest of your ilk.
Genuine Free Energy from a bismuth sphere placed next to a magnet! That's almost as laughable as your silly claims, but at least Kenny _tried_ to provide a demonstration, even though it was just an illusion caused by his lack of experience and lack of knowledge of his instrumentation. You'll never even get that far!
John, the salt water is real and the frequency is 14.5 Mhz. It burns and the conversion is overunity..
John Kanzius was his name, he has died from blood cancer...
He was an RF engineer ...
Look up "the truth channel" on youtube and look up rife plasma tube it's a set of videos by me..
Cancer treatment .. using rf like Rife technology from 1930's
Rf is also the means to destabilize atoms, you have to have 400 Mhz like the Harold Coleman patent.
Acca..
TK must have had a bad day...
"another bullshit artist" is it you ???
The man is a loon... what a waste of time....
Acca....
Quote from: Acca on January 13, 2016, 06:36:58 PM
TK must have had a bad day...
"another bullshit artist" is it you ???
The man is a loon... what a waste of time....
Acca....
Go ahead and PROVE ME WRONG, Acca master troll.... You, of all people, CANNOT.
Some of us remember when YOU tried to expose what you thought was my private personal information here on this forum. And you even failed at that !
Well the sea water thing you are talking about the guy who had cancer and he was trying to find a cure if so i have seen that clip it was a while ago now but when he turned it off he said the flame went out, he did say the frequency it started at but that was the trick. The other thing this isn't Earth it's a water planet, it's not solid it has another 3 times the sea volume in side it, the mantle float's on the top like an egg. When that happens and it will this planet could be as big as Jupiter. The point is will it self ignite like in 2001 film, BUT THAT DEPENDS IF THAT NEW THEORIE IS TRUE OR NOT.
As far as i can see Atomm bull shits, as he exaggerates the facts ! I think the term is '' FULL OF SHIT '' !
Look why don't you just tell us how to make your device, the NASA (never a straight answer) one the story keeps changing on ? we wouldn't need to bugger about with Scalar technology like the Ruskies and 'NASA' do.
AlienG...
And salt water does burn !!!! Wow .. do you Think...!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNvLwDX2WW0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNvLwDX2WW0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDdZzGjZjdA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDdZzGjZjdA)
You want some clips on cancer treatment...RF stuff... here are some of mine...and scaler waves (gauge waves, compression waves,
This is really real.. it works... do research on this, as it may save your life as it did mine..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB52eZUoXyk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB52eZUoXyk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtAfXkoQz_o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtAfXkoQz_o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxNoFC-Lx88 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxNoFC-Lx88)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM6jLwhdQEM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM6jLwhdQEM)
"Look why don't you just tell us how to make your device, the NASA (never a straight answer) one the story keeps changing on ? we wouldn't need to bugger about with Scalar technology like the Ruskies and 'NASA' do."
Dr. Anthony Holland cancer research...TED TALK
TEDx Talk: Shattering Cancer with Resonant Frequencies by Anthony Holland,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXrZSajlZhw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXrZSajlZhw)
Acca...[/font]
lOOK if you don't want cancer cut the sugar out your diet it's an acid, drugs are an acid, it causes a fungus called kantela fungus then it asks for a blood supply and so on it spreads. Keep you blood sugar level alkaline and you wont get it, just avoid GMO crops and benzene in the air too ! ;).
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 14, 2016, 06:25:04 PM
ACCA
I am not nuts sir !!!
Double the frequency than switch it on and the water will burn when you switch it off and gently pour it out on to a plate !!! I watched this effect about 7 years ago here in the UK ..... IT CAUSED A FEW PEOPLE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT .
When you match the frequency with the heat it will sustain and pure more sea water and it to will catch light .......
Than try the coil safety test ! I will give you a monopole field coil and when you switch it off than touch it with a electrical soldering iron all the electrons in the coil will erupt out of the coil and explode ! You are left with no free electrons in the coil ! I want you to see a different side of free energy ....... The dark side !!!!
Mr Atom is this water burning thing and the charged coil bumping to the soldering iron one experiment or two separate experiments ? and how come the gas didn't kill the guy ? also do you think it's a good idea publishing that experiment and leaving it on ?
You are close but still far of real understanding, because your mind is still trapped in a specific paradigm of thinking. The truth is here if you can catch it:
"Mother nature has never taken a course in math, algebra and she absolutely rejects the nonsense espoused by quantum. 'She' knows only about charge-discharge, spatial-counterspatial and centripetal-centrifugal spin as binary conjugates to charges and discharges. Gravity, electromagnetism and matter are all modalities of the Ether, of charges and spin. There are no negatively "charged" particles in this universe. Negative electricity discharges while positive electricity charges. The negative depolarizing force functions in the opposite manner and direction to the positive polarizing force. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, only discharges, nor are there negatively charged particles, further still not one iota of proof for same. Charge and discharge are antinomies, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are mutual and co-eternal principle conditions. The commonly held belief in nonsense such as the notion that electricity is a stream of rolling electron beads thru a conductor is one of the most insane conceptual reifications of the definition of discharge as held by so-called intelligent minds.
There are no electrons, negative charges, special-dimensions, warped space (resoundingly denied by Tesla and others), and no photons; only charge, induction and radiation/discharges and their relational spins, all as mediated thru the Ether. Quantum and Relativity is a quack religion of mathematical physics based upon the absurd premise that the universe is a giant sea of interactive massless tiny invisible beads and that space itself, nothing, mediates interactions and can be genuinely 'warped'. Such conceptual Atomistic reifications as amplified by GR (Relativity) cannot be enjoined, and the only genuine warping occurring is not out in the cosmos of space, but in the empty spaces between the ears of those who reify such absurdities; warped minds rationally would invent warped space; its purely logical in its insanity that the former produce the later."
- Ken L. Wheeler - Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism - page 16
Quote from: joel321 on January 09, 2016, 05:22:35 AM
"It's best to use eye protection.
Thane C Heins would love that motor, it's a real "bad starter"
You have to wind it up a bit by hand and then give it a few
bursts on the power.
Thane could make a self charging electric vehicle out of one,
no probs !!,!"
LAME! You and me both know that is NOT your SHEEP hair clipper SHARPENER!
I SPECIFICALLY asked to show a VIDEO of the sheep clippers being sharpened! You give this shit? OK cool, no problem, goes to shows how stupid you are!! :P
This coming from the insecure ignoramus who feels compelled to pick on someone who's already stated that he doesn't know how the universe works but is willing to learn... and all that while you claimed that the proton orbits the nucleus... now it's your turn to be embarrassed and picked on because your intellect is inferior. What's good for the goose is good for the ignoramus, right?
You're an ass. You contribute nothing to the forum except attacking and driving people away. Wanna try that with me? Because I can guarantee you I'll leave you either crying or making impotent litigious foot-stomping threats. I'll wrap your noodle-brain around your neck and choke you with your own stupidity.
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time, you filthy empty-headed animal food-trough wiper. The world farts in your general direction. Your mother was a gerbil and your father smelt of french perfume.
sadang....
Thanks for Quoting KEN Wheeler(s) BOOK HERE above >>> However you should give him credit for the post that you put in to quotes..
Since he wrote that in his "MAGNETISM BOOK"..
It's amazing that this thread is still here ....
Acca...
Tesla 1928 publication pdf.. https://teslauniverse.com/sites/default/files/article/19281100-popular-science-monthly-01.pdf (https://teslauniverse.com/sites/default/files/article/19281100-popular-science-monthly-01.pdf)
Cycle !!!!
What is your mission here ???
THIS IS FORUM IS FOR "Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos"
This is NOT the COMEDY CLUB !!!! for you....
"I shall taunt you a second time, you filthy empty-headed animal food-trough wiper. The world farts in your general direction. Your mother was a gerbil and your father smelt of french perfume."
Acca....
Quote from: Acca on January 15, 2016, 02:52:19 AM
Cycle !!!!
What is your mission here ???
THIS IS FORUM IS FOR "Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos"
This is NOT the COMEDY CLUB !!!! for you....
"I shall taunt you a second time, you filthy empty-headed animal food-trough wiper. The world farts in your general direction. Your mother was a gerbil and your father smelt of french perfume."
Acca....
My mission remains what it has always been, to promulgate the truth as near as science has sussed it. But in order for that truth to reach ears and eyes, those ears and eyes have to be present... and they won't be if people don't stand up to trolls like Joel321, who's dragged the forum down to the level of arguing about how sheep shears are sharpened.
The temporal vortexual nature of magnets has already been proven. The researchers who proved it are referenced in my earlier posts, as is the mathematics that prove the concept. So while the vortex does exist, Mr. Wheeler is neither the discoverer of the temporal magnetic vortex, nor is his hobby theory even correct, as I've amply demonstrated.
Mr. Wheeler merely cherry-picked bits and pieces of Russellian theory, Circlon Theory, Dollard Theory, other various and sundry hobby theories, sprinkled in his own conceptual errors, twisted all the commonly-held definitions to fit his equally twisted theory, wrote-memorized the key words and tricky phrases that would bamboozle the weak-minded, then claimed the entire messy theory-collage as his own discovery and a result of his own hard work and "brilliance".
He wasted 20 years playing with magnets while deluding himself that he was discovering anything that hadn't already been discovered, described and fully explained by QM, filled page after page with his fundamental misconceptions as regards how he believes the universe works and called it a book... and now he's apparently selling that book. He does no one any good service in doing so, and the reviews of his book now that it's being sold rather than given away should be fodder for much entertainment and "I told you so"'ing for the foreseeable future.
I just keep "inching" forward and have come across the "Ultraviolet Catastorophy".
Atom ....
Remember what I told you that I know that you are right ...because you have said certain things that are significant.. Not here, NOT NOW !!!
I will say that Wesley is on the right track and don't make it an issue here.. Please...
Private post ONLY.. Nuts you are not... it was a distraction.. there are other people here who read this also ...
Look up my post on http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg471055/#new (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg471055/#new)
Your quote:
"This is a very real danger ! Each proton is 1kw of pure energy and most of that energy is with the quarks ... There are billions and billions of them in a small amount of copper !"
Don't post this stuff here... NOT in this public forum...
Here is something you might consider as it fits you model .. mass acceleration .. LOOK very dangerous.. effect..
Ps it's not a simple vaporization !!
Cumulative Effect Yutkina hydrocannon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juvyhukMx4s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juvyhukMx4s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmpGL78TTs8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmpGL78TTs8)
Кумулятивная гидропушка на эффекте Юткина
Acca..
Cycle ...
So does Ken have right to write a book on other peoples discoveries, yes as all of previous foundations are built on other peoples works..
Sounds like you are jealous of his book ...
I got a copy of his book as he was giving it away.. and now it's for sale his efforts have to be validated as he did put work in to that ..
Wrong of right .. Who cares it's his time not yours..
I am here to learn and not to cry...
Criticism is good, however telling people to "prove their" work is crap as "they don't have to prove any thing to anyone" ..
and there are OLD TIMERS here on this forum(s) that squat and crap on people here because no one stands up to them...
LISTEN first, and then HELP these people who have less education and correct them.. DON'T KILL THEIR DRIVE !!!
Not everybody is the SAME as YOU !! We are all different...
Acca...
Thanks Acca, I've fixed that. It was not my intent to hurt his rights, and he know this very well.
Why are you afraid to posts things that are very well known to each who bent of this things. I suppose because you still think in a polarized way, and still believe there should be someone who control the others. Wrong my bro, wrong! Knowledge is universal, understanding is individual!
If proton has an energy of about 1Kw (in terms of electric energy) what is the total energy of an atom? On the other hand why we have to always consider only the interactions at the level of the electrons energies, when is relative easy to catch the energy of an entire atom? And I don't talk here in terms of its uncontrolled avalanche reaction, but in terms of a soft decay. Is plasma a shame or a forbidden subject? Of course not the current plasma joke but the plasma in its fundamental structure.
Here is some thing you might find interesting...
Method for efficiently converting electrical energy into energy of the plasma..
Nuclear power ...
If you add a copper powder to this water you will get X-rays and Beta(s)...
Here is some translated russinan patent info links follow ...
"This is ATOM dissociation of gas molecules in the plasma discharge"
this is what Russians say ... they are very good in plasma physics..
"Thus, even at currents on the order of less than 3-4, the conditions for a complete and deep until atoms dissociation of gas molecules in the plasma discharge, the potential of large stored energy, especially radicals (having energy at a temperature of 60000 K - 20 eV, much more energy heating the particles at the same temperature - 5.5 eV, and 0.7 eV at 8000 K); high concentration per unit volume of charged particles that provide high, despite a lot of pressure, conductivity. By reducing the current discharge plasma expands at supersonic speeds (initially at a rate of about 10,000 m / s)"
"High-energy charged particles (electrons, ions, radicals) is heated, ionize and dissociate the gas molecules, aided by light, ultraviolet and soft X-rays, as well as sound and supersonic shock waves (the shock-compressed gas molecules burst - dissociate, falling to low pressure behind the shock front, not withstanding sudden pressure drop). By reducing the pressure in the plasma conductivity increases. These factors slow down the speed of the fall of the conductivity with increasing plasma volume during the expansion. The volume of the resulting plasma is growing"
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freepatent.ru%2Fpatents%2F2397625&edit-text=&act=url (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freepatent.ru%2Fpatents%2F2397625&edit-text=&act=url)
http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2397625 (http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2397625)
http://www.freepatent.ru/images/patents/65/2397625/patent-2397625.pdf (http://www.freepatent.ru/images/patents/65/2397625/patent-2397625.pdf)
ps ... By Ramin Skibba | Stanford Engineering
Method for efficiently converting electrical energy into energy of the plasma.
https://engineering.stanford.edu/research-profile/plasma-experiments-bring-astrophysics-down-earth (https://engineering.stanford.edu/research-profile/plasma-experiments-bring-astrophysics-down-earth)
Tuesday, December 1, 2015
Toward this end they constructed a device the size of a mini-fridge. They used it to apply an electric field to a small amount of gas and to accelerate the gas's electrons through a rifle-like tube. These electrons crashed into neutral atoms, knocking still more electrons loose as the particles continue to gain energy, like a rolling snowball starting an avalanche. This process ionized the gas and produced a plasma.
A probe within the tube provided detailed observations to prove that the plasma exhibited two behaviors that scientists have long observed in combusting gases. These two behaviors are deflagration and detonation. A deflagration is gas that expands away from the burning site, such as thrust exiting a rocket engine. A detonation is a gas burning under pressure that creates a shock wave.
Stanford Plasma Gun during a single firing. The image shows where the plasma is brightest during the acceleration process, which occurs over tens of microseconds
Quote from: Acca on January 15, 2016, 03:53:40 AM
Cycle ...
So does Ken have right to write a book on other peoples discoveries, yes as all of previous foundations are built on other peoples works..
Sounds like you are jealous of his book ...
Ken has a right to write whatever delusional blather he wishes, but when he starts selling it as a scientific tome purporting to unlock the secrets of a fundamental force of nature, especially given that his hobby theory would result in a universe that can be demonstrated could not exist, he'll be held accountable when people start giving his book bad reviews and demanding their money back... and it's a pretty sure bet Mr. Wheeler will instead refuse to refund, and will try to shout down those calling him on his BS, just as he's done on this forum... he can barely give the book away in intelligent circles, he can hardly expect it to sell well except to that crowd who wouldn't be able to understand it anyway... because if they understand it, they can refute it, as I've done in spades.
Jealous? Of a guy who's constructed a fantasy universe which could not exist, then attempted to shout down those telling him he's delusional? Hardly.
Quote from: Acca on January 15, 2016, 03:53:40 AM
I got a copy of his book as he was giving it away.. and now it's for sale his efforts have to be validated as he did put work in to that ..
Wrong of right .. Who cares it's his time not yours..
It's also the time (and money, and effort) of all those who wade into the mishmash of repetitious disputatious pontification, attacks upon those who've done the heavy lifting in creating the mathematical framework for describing our universe, and little to no proofs that make up what Mr. Wheeler calls a book.
Quote from: Acca on January 15, 2016, 03:53:40 AM
I am here to learn and not to cry...
Criticism is good, however telling people to "prove their" work is crap as "they don't have to prove any thing to anyone" ..
You've got that bass-ackwards. The person making the assertions must present proof, he shouldn't even have to be asked for it, let alone asked for it repeatedly. If he's selling a book that purports to uncover the "Secrets of Magnetism", then people deserve to get something for their money, something that's aligned with reality... unless you're now stating that Wheeler's book is a work of fiction, which
would give him license to write whatever he wants without having to prove anything to anyone.
Quote from: Acca on January 15, 2016, 03:53:40 AM
and there are OLD TIMERS here on this forum(s) that squat and crap on people here because no one stands up to them...
LISTEN first, and then HELP these people who have less education and correct them.. DON'T KILL THEIR DRIVE !!!
They're not "squatting and crapping" on people, they're trying to wake the person promulgating delusion to the fact that what they're promulgating cannot be reality. But then, you appear to be one of them who stubbornly refuses to wake up and take a look around at reality, choosing instead to remain in WheelerLand, where merely saying something makes it so, and no one has to back their assertions up with actual proof.
You are, after all, the one who so believes in Mr. Richardson's blather that you've told him to keep it a secret... I've seen his work, I done his "new math", I've uncovered his errors.
He's got nothing because one can't build working devices upon a foundation that isn't even closely aligned with reality. He'll never demonstrate any of his claimed devices because that would expose him as either delusional, a congenital liar, or a scammer. But according to you, that's fine... he "doesn't need to prove anything to anyone"... I'm sure you'll be sending him your life savings right away so he can build his devices, yes?
No? Why not? He's claimed to have all these devices, he's claimed they all work according to his "new math" base-9 two-page delusional unscientific blather... he's going to change the world! He's going to save the world! He's going to make you a ton of money! No need for him to prove anything, just drain your bank account, stuff all that money into a large manila envelope, forward it to him and wait for your windfall from the profits he'll make selling the world his amazing new gadgets.
Right? Put your money where your mouth is.
Quote from: Acca on January 15, 2016, 03:53:40 AM
Not everybody is the SAME as YOU !! We are all different...
Acca...
Being "different" in no way negates the necessity of presenting proof of assertions... what you're essentially saying is "Not everybody needs to believe in reality, we can all believe differently." Reality neither knows nor cares whether you believe in it, reality will remain reality regardless... and your fictional reality of Wheelerism will not exist no matter how much you believe in it, because it does not reflect reality. You're making a religious argument in a scientific forum. You believe in Wheelerism in spite of proof to the contrary, you're running on faith alone and no proof of Wheelerism whatsoever.
Cycle u "R nuts ...
Acca...
@all
Hahahahahaha
What Kenny boy does not understand and eventually he will when he puts all the pieces together is that his magnet does not have a magnetic field going out of its physical confines. That is to say THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FIELD. And yes, there is no electron as well.
When you walk into a room full of people and there is a beautiful woman standing alone in one corner and you are walking around but you keep on looking towards that woman, is what you see a field, or is there a field pushing and nudging your head to turn toward that woman? NO. It is the atoms in your eye that can see that woman from a distance and your reaction is to turn and see her beauty. No field required.
If with the flick on my finger I could materialize a planet bigger then Earths and place it 100 KM above Earth what will happen. Yes, any loose matter on the surface of Earth will start dropping (rising from Earth) towards this new and greater Gravity Source. NO FIELD REQUIRED.
When you have a neo magnet in your hand and you play around with a compass and you see how the needle of the compass turns to face the dominant polarity of the magnet, is there a field involved. NO. NO. NO. It is the atoms in the needle that see this beautiful woman magnet and it simply turns towards it because it can do this all on its own. NO FIELD REQUIRED.
When a coil is energized and the compass needle turns towards it, is it because of a field exuded by the coil catching the needle and turning it. NO. NO. NO. It is the atoms again in the needle that respond to the coils new gravity source and that's how things work around the universe. You only need atoms and gravity to produce all the effects we see around us.
The field is an impostor. It was conjured up by Mr. Faraday because his bosses asked him to make a link between an energized coil and the magnetic field of a magnet because for the last thousands of years, this was and still is the prevailing belief. Who was Faraday to go against his bosses and negate thousands of years of belief.
If Faraday was hired and asked "OK Far....... your mission, should you accept it, is to investigate the energized coil phenomenon and report back with a totally impartial, unbiased and complete assessment of the potential causes of the effect. You can rest assured that WHATEVER YOU FIND AND REPORT, WE WILL NOT CASTRATE YOU." Well well well, that would have changed the story since a few hundred years.
Faraday would have seen the compass turn towards the energized coil and he would have honestly reported that the magnetic field construct is not the only possible cause. The other more direct and probable cause is what I call today as Spin Conveyance where there is no field between the coil and the compass. There is only the compasses atoms with their incredible ability to turn towards any gravity source that is stronger then Earth. The coil is basically energized and becomes a localized gravity source (LGS). The atoms in the compass will turn towards the LGS not because there is a "magnetic" attraction but simply because that coil has now become a mini planet and its gravity is greater then that of Earths where we are at the surface. The compass only wants to fall onto the coil and there is no "force" in between that is required to motivate that effect. There is only mans eyes that only want to see what it can believe and conjure up a construct to rationalize the effect that absolutely has to have something in between the two objects in order for the effect to be realized. That is were we are today and what Ken wants to do is add more layers to the false magnetic field construct because he could never rationalize anything more with his experiments which are all faulty to begin with. But he is not alone because 99.99999% of the world is like that as well.
So Faraday says its a field, then we ask how is the field making electricity move in the wires. Hmmmmm. OK, we'll say the field makes electrons move in the wire. Hmmmm. But how. OK, we better think fast otherwise this field idea will fall in the dumpster. OK, copper is made of atoms, and those atoms are covered with electrons and its those electrons that the field will make move in the wire and produce electron flow. And this great patchwork of the field, electron was born and is with us till today. hahahahaha
What this did was rob the Atom of all the glory of our effects and placed it in the hands of a non-existent field and electron. The atom was and still is the greatest hero in the universe and its abilities to respond to gravity sources, constant or intermittent gravity sources, pulsing or steady gravity sources is the basis of all our effects in the universe. Nature never overdoes anything. It will always find the most economical means to create an effect and for nature, producing a field that will permeate everything around it is nothing more then a total waste of good energy to produce what? NOTHING. Nature does not do anything for nothing. Nature already knows that the atom can see, can sense, can react all on its own, otherwise what are the chances that fields could have produced all our universe in the way it is. All we would have been is a mishmash of hell.
The field and the electron are simply impostors pushed by the Cabal who controls everything we learn on this rock. It does not mean our toys will not work, because regardless if the construct is good or bad, things will still work. It is only that our level of advancement has been stifled to the point that we are all now stuck on an energy platform that is controlled by a few.
This is where we are today. So even @Atom, if you want to know where I am at then this is it. I have studied the causes and effects and have discovered that the field is impossible.
When Telsa invented AC way back then, he had already proven that the electron flow model is impossible. You cannot have AC with electron flow. You can only have AC with Spin Conveyance that has no flow of anything. Only the nulcei is active, responds to gravity and conveys that response to the next atom, and the next atom and so on. There is no field and no electron required to do all we do today. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa
There is only one experiment that is required to even give the field the slightest chance of survival and this experiment has not been done thus far or I have not been able to find anything on such an experiment. I have put it down here:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3209.msg53505#msg53505
See experiment #1. If anyone in a University wished to do this experiment in a totally impartial manner, then you have an extreme chance of making history. I don't have the equipment required.
I have to say that what I like about Ken is his ability to make something so old look so new even though for me all his explanations are pure fantasy. He has succeeded in complicating the already over complicated with more layers of dreams. But at least he took it to its limits. I just sat around and plugged here and there and finally saw he did away with the electron (good sign) and that gave me some hope for his intellectual salvation. But for not. You see, in order to survive in the world of universal constructs, which none have thus far, you have to be able to take a construct and put it through all its paces. You become your worst critic. You attack the idea from all sides then work out the counter arguments and from there you then add a new part and start over, then add again and start over. If the construct fails at any point in that study, you modify it logically and do it all over again. It is only when that one construct can hold its own against every other effect in the universe that you can then "start" realizing you are on the right track and all of a sudden all those effects that you thought you knew about come to life in a totally new way. I have been doing that for the last 5 years. hahahahahahaha and can say that Spin Conveyance will be the next step and will lead to simple OU devices and not those world blowing devices @Atom is talking about.
Have you not ever had a bad feeling about the Earth. We say it has gravity, which it does, but then we add that it also produces a magnetic field (which it does not). Do you not ever feel uncomfortable with this double identity. One that is the original and one that was added by our imagination. We convince ourselves by sending out satellites to "map the outer field of the Earth". But we do not realize that those "conductive" or "copper wire laden" sensors are responding directly to Earths gravity and not a field that the Earth would have to expend in order to exude. Just because you get a sensor reading, it does not prove a field is existing. It only proves that the copper atoms have good eyesight and can convey what they see down the line without any of the atoms ever moving, only their nuclei will swing, sway, spin, stay, show or shoot and one will say to the next, and the next. Only the nuclei needs to do this and no electrons or fields are required. hahahahaha
Take 100 people and make them stand side by side in a big circle all holding hands. One 1st person squeezes the hand of the 2nd, the 2nd squeezes the hand of the 3rd and so on until the squeeze signal gets back to the first person. You would be amazed at how quickly that information is "conveyed" from 1st to last and starts over again. This is human speed. Imagine at atomic speed. hehehe
When you say the words "field" and "electron" know that you are robbing the Atom of its abilities and in turn the Atom is robbing you of any advancement. Action/reaction. Just like the Cabal want it.
Sorry for long post. hehehe
wattsup
Thanks wattsup !!! That was an outstanding written post ...
https://youtu.be/JYKkJeqeMP4 (https://youtu.be/JYKkJeqeMP4)
Acca..
P.s. >>> and to all of you can listen to it now and see it read .. if you are too leazy..[/font]
Quote from: wattsup on January 15, 2016, 02:45:17 PM
@all
Hahahahahaha
What Kenny boy does not understand and eventually he will when he puts all the pieces together is that his magnet does not have a magnetic field going out of its physical confines. That is to say THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FIELD. And yes, there is no electron as well.
When you walk into a room full of people and there is a beautiful woman standing alone in one corner and you are walking around but you keep on looking towards that woman, is what you see a field, or is there a field pushing and nudging your head to turn toward that woman? NO. It is the atoms in your eye that can see that woman from a distance and your reaction is to turn and see her beauty. No field required.
If with the flick on my finger I could materialize a planet bigger then Earths and place it 100 KM above Earth what will happen. Yes, any loose matter on the surface of Earth will start dropping (rising from Earth) towards this new and greater Gravity Source. NO FIELD REQUIRED.
When you have a neo magnet in your hand and you play around with a compass and you see how the needle of the compass turns to face the dominant polarity of the magnet, is there a field involved. NO. NO. NO. It is the atoms in the needle that see this beautiful woman magnet and it simply turns towards it because it can do this all on its own. NO FIELD REQUIRED.
When a coil is energized and the compass needle turns towards it, is it because of a field exuded by the coil catching the needle and turning it. NO. NO. NO. It is the atoms again in the needle that respond to the coils new gravity source and that's how things work around the universe. You only need atoms and gravity to produce all the effects we see around us.
The field is an impostor. It was conjured up by Mr. Faraday because his bosses asked him to make a link between an energized coil and the magnetic field of a magnet because for the last thousands of years, this was and still is the prevailing belief. Who was Faraday to go against his bosses and negate thousands of years of belief.
If Faraday was hired and asked "OK Far....... your mission, should you accept it, is to investigate the energized coil phenomenon and report back with a totally impartial, unbiased and complete assessment of the potential causes of the effect. You can rest assured that WHATEVER YOU FIND AND REPORT, WE WILL NOT CASTRATE YOU." Well well well, that would have changed the story since a few hundred years.
Faraday would have seen the compass turn towards the energized coil and he would have honestly reported that the magnetic field construct is not the only possible cause. The other more direct and probable cause is what I call today as Spin Conveyance where there is no field between the coil and the compass. There is only the compasses atoms with their incredible ability to turn towards any gravity source that is stronger then Earth. The coil is basically energized and becomes a localized gravity source (LGS). The atoms in the compass will turn towards the LGS not because there is a "magnetic" attraction but simply because that coil has now become a mini planet and its gravity is greater then that of Earths where we are at the surface. The compass only wants to fall onto the coil and there is no "force" in between that is required to motivate that effect. There is only mans eyes that only want to see what it can believe and conjure up a construct to rationalize the effect that absolutely has to have something in between the two objects in order for the effect to be realized. That is were we are today and what Ken wants to do is add more layers to the false magnetic field construct because he could never rationalize anything more with his experiments which are all faulty to begin with. But he is not alone because 99.99999% of the world is like that as well.
So Faraday says its a field, then we ask how is the field making electricity move in the wires. Hmmmmm. OK, we'll say the field makes electrons move in the wire. Hmmmm. But how. OK, we better think fast otherwise this field idea will fall in the dumpster. OK, copper is made of atoms, and those atoms are covered with electrons and its those electrons that the field will make move in the wire and produce electron flow. And this great patchwork of the field, electron was born and is with us till today. hahahahaha
What this did was rob the Atom of all the glory of our effects and placed it in the hands of a non-existent field and electron. The atom was and still is the greatest hero in the universe and its abilities to respond to gravity sources, constant or intermittent gravity sources, pulsing or steady gravity sources is the basis of all our effects in the universe. Nature never overdoes anything. It will always find the most economical means to create an effect and for nature, producing a field that will permeate everything around it is nothing more then a total waste of good energy to produce what? NOTHING. Nature does not do anything for nothing. Nature already knows that the atom can see, can sense, can react all on its own, otherwise what are the chances that fields could have produced all our universe in the way it is. All we would have been is a mishmash of hell.
The field and the electron are simply impostors pushed by the Cabal who controls everything we learn on this rock. It does not mean our toys will not work, because regardless if the construct is good or bad, things will still work. It is only that our level of advancement has been stifled to the point that we are all now stuck on an energy platform that is controlled by a few.
This is where we are today. So even @Atom, if you want to know where I am at then this is it. I have studied the causes and effects and have discovered that the field is impossible.
When Telsa invented AC way back then, he had already proven that the electron flow model is impossible. You cannot have AC with electron flow. You can only have AC with Spin Conveyance that has no flow of anything. Only the nulcei is active, responds to gravity and conveys that response to the next atom, and the next atom and so on. There is no field and no electron required to do all we do today. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa
There is only one experiment that is required to even give the field the slightest chance of survival and this experiment has not been done thus far or I have not been able to find anything on such an experiment. I have put it down here:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3209.msg53505#msg53505
See experiment #1. If anyone in a University wished to do this experiment in a totally impartial manner, then you have an extreme chance of making history. I don't have the equipment required.
Do you seriously believe there is no magnetic field in a vacuum? That the magnetic field is merely a result of "concentrated air", per your post referenced in that URL?
Oh, dear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo6D1eYDrNo
Magnets, their force undiminished in a strong normal vacuum. Now, in a perfect vacuum (no atmosphere, no QVZPE field), magnetism wouldn't be possible, because there would be no virtual photons which mediate magnetism... but we have no way of making a perfect vacuum. In a normal vacuum (no atmosphere), magnetic force is undiminished.
Quote from: wattsup on January 15, 2016, 02:45:17 PM
I have to say that what I like about Ken is his ability to make something so old look so new even though for me all his explanations are pure fantasy. He has succeeded in complicating the already over complicated with more layers of dreams. But at least he took it to its limits. I just sat around and plugged here and there and finally saw he did away with the electron (good sign) and that gave me some hope for his intellectual salvation. But for not. You see, in order to survive in the world of universal constructs, which none have thus far, you have to be able to take a construct and put it through all its paces. You become your worst critic. You attack the idea from all sides then work out the counter arguments and from there you then add a new part and start over, then add again and start over. If the construct fails at any point in that study, you modify it logically and do it all over again. It is only when that one construct can hold its own against every other effect in the universe that you can then "start" realizing you are on the right track and all of a sudden all those effects that you thought you knew about come to life in a totally new way. I have been doing that for the last 5 years. hahahahahahaha and can say that Spin Conveyance will be the next step and will lead to simple OU devices and not those world blowing devices @Atom is talking about.
Have you not ever had a bad feeling about the Earth. We say it has gravity, which it does, but then we add that it also produces a magnetic field (which it does not). Do you not ever feel uncomfortable with this double identity. One that is the original and one that was added by our imagination. We convince ourselves by sending out satellites to "map the outer field of the Earth". But we do not realize that those "conductive" or "copper wire laden" sensors are responding directly to Earths gravity and not a field that the Earth would have to expend in order to exude. Just because you get a sensor reading, it does not prove a field is existing. It only proves that the copper atoms have good eyesight and can convey what they see down the line without any of the atoms ever moving, only their nuclei will swing, sway, spin, stay, show or shoot and one will say to the next, and the next. Only the nuclei needs to do this and no electrons or fields are required. hahahahaha
Take 100 people and make them stand side by side in a big circle all holding hands. One 1st person squeezes the hand of the 2nd, the 2nd squeezes the hand of the 3rd and so on until the squeeze signal gets back to the first person. You would be amazed at how quickly that information is "conveyed" from 1st to last and starts over again. This is human speed. Imagine at atomic speed. hehehe
When you say the words "field" and "electron" know that you are robbing the Atom of its abilities and in turn the Atom is robbing you of any advancement. Action/reaction. Just like the Cabal want it.
Sorry for long post. hehehe
wattsup
You're conflating two completely disparate forces. If the magnet creates gravity, as you claim, then all matter would be attracted to it... wood, for instance... is wood attracted to a magnet? No.
Then you'll have to contend with diamagnetic material... is bismuth or pyrolytic carbon floating off the planet and into space? No, because gravity and magnetism are two separate and different forces.
As for the electron, it is mass, it is real. A blurb I'd written previously in dismantling Wheeler's misconceptions:
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Mr. Wheeler also says "Electricity is utterly a mass-free phenomena", but the rest mass of an electron can be and has been measured to be 9.11e−31 kilograms, or 0.511 MeV (which, if you'll remember, I derived (http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2182.msg29624#msg29624) by calculating the rest mass of a hydrogen atom, and the rest mass of the proton within that hydrogen atom, arriving at 0.5106 MeV for the rest mass of the electron after splitting the proton out of the atom), which is why it's more beneficial to cleave the proton from the nucleus than it is to strip the electron from its orbit when dissociating water... that 0.5106 MeV electron then goes on to interact with other molecules, creating a cascade effect that helps to split other water molecules. Keep in mind that's the rest mass of an electron, not the relativistic mass.
Not to mention that electricity doesn't even have to consist of electrons... you can have a proton stream that is considered electricity, and protons most definitely have rest mass... 1.672621777e−27 kg.
You've further confused field and force... a field only localizes, spatializes and quantifies a force. As I wrote prior in deconstructing Mr. Wheeler's blather:
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Mr. Wheeler also says "Magnets do not generate attraction and repulsion by throwing particle showers collectively called 'field' at each other as proposed by QM.". Of course, he also says there's no such thing as "attraction and repulsion", so he contradicts himself a bit there.
Ok, so he's reifying an abstract construct (what the QM crowd call "particles" since they don't have any other word for it) that's used to explain the mathematically descriptive noun (and abstract construct) called "field"... a "field" merely being an abstract construct to mathematically quantify force over distance and time, and measure, predict and extrapolate or interpolate how that force over distance and time will react (or has reacted, or is reacting) at any given time for any given set of inputs)... but then, we're now able to observe magnetricity:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17983-magnetricity-observed-for-first-time.html
"Individual magnetic 'charges' - equivalent to the north and south poles of a magnet - have been observed inside a crystalline material called spin ice"
So it would appear that magnets do indeed throw "particles" (the abstract construct, not a literal denotation of a physical object), which create the abstractly described "field" (which is a mathematically quantifiable descriptive noun that allows us to quantify forces over distance and time and predict and extrapolate or interpolate how those forces react) to generate "attraction and repulsion" (another abstract construct to quantify the effects of that force over distance and time).
So rather than accept that we're merely using words as abstracts to describe what we're seeing, he's turned all of physics on its head and now says all fields are non-spatial and non-localized phenomenological modulations of the "aether"... but he forgets that a field, in being a descriptive and mathematically quantifiable abstract construct used to quantify, predict and extrapolate or interpolate the force we're measuring over time and space, must have points of measurement... a gradient that we record... ie: it must be localized and spatialized in order to quantify it. He says a "field" has no points, and "whose locus is simultaneously everywhere and nowhere"!
I guess I'll just point my little 500 gauss bar magnet at planet KOI 1843.03, wait for it to be attracted to Earth, then sell the whole planet for its 70% iron content... because that little bar magnet's field is non-spatial and non-localized... it goes on forever in the aether.
I also guess he's never held a gaussmeter one inch from a magnet, then two inches from it, then three inches from it to measure its field strength at various distances... that'd be localizing and spatializing the field strength of that magnet into a set of points known as a "field". :P
Funny thing about "fields"... being the descriptive and mathematically quantifiable abstract constructs that they are, used to quantify, predict and extrapolate or interpolate the force being observed... that set of points called a "field" that describes that force can subsequently be used on identical objects without having to bother to measure each identical object (that's kind of the point of creating these abstract constructs called "fields", after all... it allows us to take a set of measurements of one object emanating a force, and apply it to identical objects, or extrapolate / interpolate those measurements to take into account non-identical objects using mathematical algorithms that are derived empirically). And that's all a "field" is, at least to those who don't confuse the force being observed with the field describing that force.
This is my take so far. An electron definitely is a particle.
Relativity has to exist at a basic level....it's logical. (I've never
attempted GR.)
Anything that's not been proven to an acceptable level to peers
can't be considered as fact.
I have no problem with whatever Kelly writes in his books but if it's
not backed by solid proof it has to be considered in the realms of
fiction.
From my point of view Kelly's book needs a thorough overhaul,
shedding a whole load of repetitious drivel and putting his theory
forward in much simpler terms
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 15, 2016, 05:31:17 PM
DONT MESS WITH PARTICLE PHYSICS .....
I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH A SAFE FREE ENERGY SYSTEM ....!
==========================================
Again where are your details on this device of ''yours'' ?
Now you can tel your neighbours that your atomic bomb has finally been switched off .... Now there is some details that I can not mention here as to what type of loads that will cause the reaction and some of the frequencies that are required ect ect ect ,,,,, But you have now been warned .................. A detailed data report is now being drafted with all your details to your governments ......................................
Good luck ! lol x
My neighbours are quit safe thank you. So if i was reading for he sake of argument a article about homosexuality in female Leprechaun, would you assume i was a Dr of the subject ?
But I will tell you now it's a well known fact that 1/4 wave rf produces power output and I have seen it from the old RSGB guys light a 100w bulb from just a few watts and they haven't blown up yet and that was the 60s till only a few years back when the guy passed away ;).
How old did you say you are ?
And what are you going to tell our respective governments that we are interested in saving the planet they are destroying with toxic waste from coal fired power stations and poisoning the planet by dumping the slag in the upper atmosphere and heating up the planet witch is another lie denied by the American secret government re (quote by Seven Greere).
AG
Atom do you know the characteristics of the Narcissus ? look it up !
two rr in Harrp ;)
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 14, 2016, 08:33:24 PM
Mr gray !
There is now where in the world where we can find the right people to take a good look at these things so we have to do it our self's for now !
So burn the water and blow the coil ......... And I hope your up for the job ????
So burn the water and blow the coil ......... And I hope your up for the job ?
Atom
Oh wake up Atom! they are just winding you up
What ever stupidity other guys play do or say on here is nothing to do with me, Do your self a favour and stop prattling about.
I am waiting to see your free energy device to materialise !
AG
Quote from: minnie on January 15, 2016, 06:12:14 PM
This is my take so far. An electron definitely is a particle.
Relativity has to exist at a basic level....it's logical. (I've never
attempted GR.)
Anything that's not been proven to an acceptable level to peers
can't be considered as fact.
I have no problem with whatever Kelly writes in his books but if it's
not backed by solid proof it has to be considered in the realms of
fiction.
You have a distinct advantage in that you're
not insane, as it appears so many others here are. :-\
Quote from: minnie on January 15, 2016, 06:12:14 PM
From my point of view Kelly's book needs a thorough overhaul,
shedding a whole load of repetitious drivel and putting his theory
forward in much simpler terms
I couldn't have put it better myself. Keep learning, keep applying common sense, keep seeking truth, it'll come together for you. If it helps you, check out my posts on open-source-energy.org, therein outlining all that I read to get to the point I'm at... you'd likely be able to leapfrog my knowledge in a few months of intense reading given the head start of knowing what to read and where.
If you've got the spare hard drive space, download my .torrent containing all that I've studied. Be aware, though, that it's at 53.6 GB and growing.
Here's the torrent hash:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:4961b9d39e330d8fd6f2e6b6538b6a9925879f0c
The torrent hash changes from time to time as I update the .torrent with the new things I've studied, so that hash will only be good for a month or two.
Quote from: minnie on January 15, 2016, 03:23:12 AM
I just keep "inching" forward and have come across the "Ultraviolet Catastorophy".
It is said that Planck resolved the Ultraviolet Catastrophe, but in fact, he was attempting to mathematically prove quantized electron transition states (which, at the time, very few accepted), and it was later found that his proof applied to spectral emission and absorption photon wavelength, since they are quantized just as electron orbitals are. In fact, spectral absorption and emission is quantized
because electron orbitals are quantized.
The electron orbitals used to be known as Bohr orbits before quantum mechanics, but are now known as Rydberg States, as Johannes Rydberg actually was the first to conceive of the quantization of electron orbitals.
Planck built upon and simplified Rydberg's concept. Rydberg built upon Johann Balmer's work and expanded it from spectral lines, making the connection between photon wavelength and electron orbital transitions. Physicists were aware of atomic spectral absorption and emissions being at specific wavelengths before 1885, but lacked the knowledge to predict what those wavelengths would be. Balmer achieved that.
So when electrons drop in their Rydberg State to a lower orbital, they give off energy in the form of a photon. These photons will have specific wavelengths, depending upon the material.
Electron orbitals are quantized because the electron in orbit about a nucleus must have an integer number of De Broglie wavelengths in its orbit in order for that orbit to be stable... in other words, the electron must reach a state where the energy it is receiving from the QVZPE field is "in tune" with the rotational rate of the electron about the nucleus, so the electron can only "tap into" certain wavelengths of the QVZPE field to get its energy... remember, it is the QVZPE field which imparts energy to an electron in orbit about a nucleus, the electron cannot get its energy from anywhere else.
In fact, the QVZPE field imparts a minimum energy to the electron (even absent any energy input from the environment) which prevents it from going below its 1s orbital and "crashing into" the proton(s) in the nucleus... this would result in electron capture decay, the proton and electron together would turn into a neutron, and elemental transmutation would occur. Thus, the QVZPE field underpins the stability of all matter.
So in a vacuum, without any energy input, the electron would be in its ground (1s) state, the amount of energy it is receiving from the QVZPE field is exactly balanced by the amount of energy it is giving off in Larmor radiation in the form of virtual photons.
These virtual photons are what we perceive as magnetism. The virtual photons are a component of the QVZPE field, and once the electron gives off these virtual photons (which it does because it is both spinning and is in orbit about a nucleus, undergoing constant angular acceleration, and thus by the Larmor Formula must give off Larmor radiation), the virtual photons are nearly immediately subsumed back into the QVZPE field.
Now we'll take that atom with its orbiting electron and add energy to the environment... that energy increases the QVZPE field energy. Remember, the electron can only receive energy from the QVZPE field, so this causes the electron to gain energy. If it gains enough energy, it "jumps outward" in its orbit (ie: it receives enough of a kick from a lower frequency QVZPE field mode) to add at least one additional De Broglie wave to its orbital, expanding its orbital.
Now the electron is further from the nucleus. It's still traveling at the same speed, but has further to travel to complete one full rotation, so it must take its energy from a lower-frequency QVZPE field mode.
Since lower frequencies have lower energy, it takes successively more energy input from the environment to increase QVZPE field density sufficiently to cause the electron to add additional De Broglie waves to its orbit.
Now, when the electron no longer is receiving this energy from the QVZPE field because the QVZPE field is no longer receiving energy locally from the environment, the electron sheds De Broglie waves in its orbital, drops in orbit, and gives off at least one photon.
Thus, you can see that the Ultraviolet Catastrophe is tied to the QVZPE field and the quantization of electron orbitals... since higher electron orbitals must get their energy from lower-frequency QVZPE field modes, but lower-frequency QVZPE field modes have lower energy, this accounts for the discrepancy between classical mechanics and quantum mechanics as regards the Ultraviolet Catastrophe... classical mechanics failed to account for the lower energy levels of the lower frequency QVZPE field modes which power the higher electron orbitals.
In those materials which give off ultraviolet and higher frequency (and thus higher power) spectral emissions, the non-ground-state electron orbitals are necessarily higher in order to have that electron orbital transition to ground state give off that amount of energy in the form of a photon.
Is not about reinventing electrical engineering, is about forgetting it or integrating it in something more comprehensive. You still need certitudes and material references taking into account you still agree with the current dual paradigm of thinking. a particle is a field and a field is a particle, and both convert in each other. a big fass the same as the big bang fass! Only human mind need to operate with limits, to avoid in any way to deal with the infinite concept.
A field of what acting in what? Defined by what related to what? And don't try to teach me now the electromagnetic theory. Go out from circular thinking of current closed entity called science.
Your so called anti electron -> anti energy, not anti matter at all!
And I suppose is time to make some bows in front of you to bless me! Ha!
Take care of you and your city, because have much to learn about the intimate structure of Universe and its rules. Not the rules as are they seen from the Earth by limited and conditioned human minds, which unfortunately shape sec by sec a specific surrounding reality. Accordingly!
Are you afraid by plasma in each home and each people understanding it? Too late bro, it is a natural evolutive step to reach this understanding. You still want money for your personal CERN to play with the bunch of electrically charged particles or what you call plasma, and people who obey your thoughts. Just infantile thinking.
I mess with anything I want, and this should not be your care, because I don't even need your free energy system, a false concept available only in the current scientific paradigm of thinking. There is no free energy system as long as everything is energy, it is a meaningless word, and a system can exists only as defined or limited by the limited human minds.
And your apotheotic final like me much! Please send me a copy of that detailed report to sign it in advance!
Got the fabrication done
Also doin' a bit of building/heating work at Minnie Towers.
Who believes the QVZPEF exists as speculated???
Quote from: CycleGuy on January 15, 2016, 04:28:08 PM
You're conflating two completely disparate forces. If the magnet creates gravity, as you claim, then all matter would be attracted to it... wood, for instance... is wood attracted to a magnet? No.
Then you'll have to contend with diamagnetic material... is bismuth or pyrolytic carbon floating off the planet and into space? No, because gravity and magnetism are two separate and different forces.
As for the electron, it is mass, it is real. A blurb I'd written previously in dismantling Wheeler's misconceptions:
You've further confused field and force... a field only localizes, spatializes and quantifies a force. As I wrote prior in deconstructing Mr. Wheeler's blather:
@CycleGuy
Everything has its affinity to reach a level of activity. Atoms come in all sizes and types, some are conductive, some are not, some are radioactive, some have few outer shells and their nuclei is smaller or bigger. Some have shells that are very transparent, some are denser to better contain the larger nuclei but are less reactive to outer influences. That's why we call them Atoms. They come in all forms and abilities and most of that ability stems from the imbalance of their proton/neutron counts since both have the same mass. All of these imbalances will react to gravity at differing levels and intensity. That's how you get diamagnetic among others. Now don't forget one major thing on the Earth surface. You are standing on the surface but you always have at least 14 PSI of atmospheric pressure on your body helping to keep you down. That's 14 pounds per square of horizontal body surface area. That is not chump change. The expeirment I am referring to in my previous post would help answer many of those questions. hahahaha
Take a 2" diameter sphere neo magnet and center it inside a 10" ball. That's Earth. Then see how metal sticks to it. Everything is relative so you must not confuse Earth gravity with Neo Magnet Gravity when the neo Magnet does not have it's relative mantle and crust distances. When we play with a Neo magnet it is like playing with the core of the Earth, not the surface. The only difference being its total mass cannot attract everything so it starts with its greatest affinity. Very Simple. I could expand this into every facet of mass and effects.
A magnet has a higher gravity center but the volume of that gravity is small. So it attracts the conductive atoms much more readily then others. There is no confusion on my part. This has been mulled over for many years now and your type of argument is very normal and appreciated. I've had it with myself many times.
At the atomic level, a nuclei that turns becomes a very big event for the other atoms around that then respond to that turn without emitting anything. Spin Conveyance explains all our effects man. So easy. Look up "sound of the atom" by IBM on youtube. Just the sound will explain how feisty atoms really are. We have only scrapped the surface of their interactions and there is no field or electron required.
I will be providing a paper soon on this but have been busy on my bench. We work here in OU research and none of anything you just said will help. Nothing of what @Ken or @Atom has ever said will help as well. But Spin Conveyance has helped me discover Half Coil Syndrome for pulsed coils and now soon I will explain Coil Bypass for Pick-Up Coils which will both help the OUer in future orientations by providing new ways for our coil topologies and new ways of seeing how energy is conveyed in our wires. All of this stems from this construct which is mountains more in the last few months then all the years previous, and this is just the beginning because this construct can be used in every sector of science AND IT IS SO SIMPLE. Maybe too simple for the top academia. hahahahahaha
If electrons had orbitals whizzing around a nuclei, you should be able to put a pick up coil beside a rock and get output. But that does not happen. Could say so much more but will stop for now. Maybe just to say that no, I do not have all the answers because this is way so big it will take years and years and many people but at least the door is open and the view so far is fantastic. By placing it against more objections it will just get stronger and stronger but no, I do not have all the answers, and yes, I have been objecting against SC for 5 years now and still have not won against it. It will be better that I open my own thread. hahaha
Thanks for your comments.
wattsup
Wattsup, .........
BRAVO !!
another very good post...
plowing through insults of "cycho Cycle"...
it's refreshing that you don't lower yourself to the gutter level.. of egotistical dolts...
I am supporting Ken as I have developed technology that deals with magnetism ...
Whattsup send me a message I will provide you my data.. and posting here in the open is a non event..
Acca.
If you have followed the links posted in the previous post you will see through the fog of egos as they try to out do
each other here for the top scientist...(sic)......
I see old Wattsup has only "scrapped" the surface.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 16, 2016, 02:08:57 PM
sadang
Is stupidity your first option ? hahah so in your words there is no anti matter ? But they have made the evil stuff at CERN ! Don't tel me its a jelly baby hahahahahah
And now you say everything can convert into something else ??? No quite so tray a sausage dog and in your world you can turn it into a what ? Elephant hahahahahahahahah
Leave physics and electrical engineering alone ! Its perfect as it is and so is particle physics and now quantum mechanics its all perfectly know and understood . There are some mysteries out there like the invisible brain you seem to possess hahahahah Oh look its de materialised and turned into a jelly baby hahahahahahah
Don't get so up tight son have a laugh !!! Here is a question for you !
A young couple moving into an old house and after a while they find that they have a ghost of a young girl ! So they bought the ghost some toys and one was a dole in a box inside paper raping with a pretty pink bow and a white board and a pen .. On the white board they asked the ghost what is 3 + 4 and left the house for the day . When they got back the dole was taken out of the box but the box and paper were not undone .... On the white board the ghost answered the question correctly and the number was 7 ..
How does the ghost do this ??? It has no physical brain and how was the dole removed from its box with out the box being opened ?
What does this mean about fields and particles ? Are you lot sure fields and particles are the only form of construct ??????? Never ever forget observation is only in the eye of the beholder we can never fully experience the same thing .. What does that mean ? When we look
at an object its impossible to all see it from the exact position in time and space even this message will be made and sent at a different time than you receive it ..
What this means is one can never fully rely on the observations of others and everything is only a probability ! So what does that mean when we seek out truth ?
The imagination of this vortex needs to forget the stupid theory talk and make technology as a presentation of the facts ! I will now teach you how to convert mass into any other mass Its in 2 parts 1 is an atomic synthesiser I designed and built to isolate negative hydrogen and 2 is a very special gift that converts the out side of copper in to silver gold and platinum ...
But only if you really want it ?????? Be carful now it may change your life !!!
Easy i have seen them do things do things like that at an old bus depot converted in to a Tesco, I would move things about while you watched, and open toilet door while people were in residence that only had a lock on the inside, people would run out screaming ;)
Every thing is energy and if some thing has no mass it doesn't mean it cant exist as pure energy,when you are or if you were dead a while you would still have consciousness and if you were to look at your self you would see you were light, have you ever seen photographs of people where they have a streak of light going through them, that's not a good sign at all, stay close to then they probably don't have long.
Tesla talked about this in his last interview.
Without so many hahahahaha and hihihihihi I have to tell you I'm not interested in anything you can give me.
Now is my turn to tell you a story:
"The hypnotist told Tom his daughter would be invisible to him when he came out of trance. He then had his daughter stand directly in front of her father. Tom apparently saw right through her body as he woke up and gazed around the room—and also could not hear her giggling. The hypnotist then pulled a watch out of his pocket and quickly pushed it into the small of the girl's back, keeping it concealed in his hand so on one could have seen what it was—and asked Tom if he could see what he was holding. He leaned forward as if staring directly through her and saw the watch. He could even read the inscription of the owner's name (unknown to anyone in the room). He only saw the hypnotist holding a watch cupped in the palm of his hand."
Further reflect deep... beyond energy, quark, boson and so on if you can.
From what I can see Gravitons are gravity and virtual photons EM.
There doesn't seem much connection.
A permanent magnet seems to have weight and light doesn't
seem to be bothered by magnetism.
Electrons tell a different story.
The main thing is to enjoy what you do. Your life isn't a trial run.
Family party.
Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
@CycleGuy
I'm sorry, there's just so much wrong with what you've said that I find myself unable to muster the necessary GAS to set you completely straight... as an adult, you should be self-correcting in your knowledge, yet you seem to have gone so very far off the rails of what makes sense without once questioning whether what you believe reflects reality. So I'll respond to only a few points below...
Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
Everything has its affinity to reach a level of activity. Atoms come in all sizes and types, some are conductive, some are not, some are radioactive, some have few outer shells and their nuclei is smaller or bigger. Some have shells that are very transparent, some are denser to better contain the larger nuclei but are less reactive to outer influences. That's why we call them Atoms. They come in all forms and abilities and most of that ability stems from the imbalance of their proton/neutron counts since both have the same mass.
The mass of a proton is very nearly the same as the mass of a neutron, but they are not the same.
Neutron = 1.6749286E
-27 kg = 939.56563 MeV
Proton = 1.6726231E
-27 kg = 938.27231 MeV
Electron = 9.1093897E
-31 kg = 0.51099906 MeV
The magnetic properties of an element are able to be predicted based upon how its valence shells are filled, whereas I've done an audit of all elements, correlating their Proton:Neutron ratio and Molar Magnetic Susceptibility... there is
no correlation between P:N and MMS.
Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
All of these imbalances will react to gravity at differing levels and intensity. That's how you get diamagnetic among others. Now don't forget one major thing on the Earth surface. You are standing on the surface but you always have at least 14 PSI of atmospheric pressure on your body helping to keep you down. That's 14 pounds per square of horizontal body surface area. That is not chump change. The expeirment I am referring to in my previous post would help answer many of those questions. hahahaha
You're still conflating two disparate forces... please elucidate why you believe magnetism to be gravity and vice versa?
So let's say our atmosphere, rather than being the density of air, were of a greater density... say that of the density of the salt water in the Dead Sea... would that thick atmosphere "keep you down" on the surface of the planet, or would you float to the surface of that thick atmosphere? According to you, you'd be pinned to the surface of the planet with so much force you'd be crushed.
Put another way, the atmosphere plays no part in "keeping you down" on the surface of the planet. The atmosphere is present because of gravity, it neither causes nor contributes to gravity.
Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
Take a 2" diameter sphere neo magnet and center it inside a 10" ball. That's Earth. Then see how metal sticks to it. Everything is relative so you must not confuse Earth gravity with Neo Magnet Gravity when the neo Magnet does not have it's relative mantle and crust distances. When we play with a Neo magnet it is like playing with the core of the Earth, not the surface. The only difference being its total mass cannot attract everything so it starts with its greatest affinity. Very Simple. I could expand this into every facet of mass and effects.
A magnet has a higher gravity center but the volume of that gravity is small. So it attracts the conductive atoms much more readily then others. There is no confusion on my part. This has been mulled over for many years now and your type of argument is very normal and appreciated. I've had it with myself many times.
I... I don't even know how to begin to rectify your misconceptions. I leave you to do so yourself. Suffice to say, you are so wrong that "wrong" is the wrong word to describe how wrong you are.
Of course, deep down you must know that there exists no massive objects in the universe which can repel each other via gravity, given that gravity is a distortion of space-time caused by massive objects which causes massive objects to seek their lowest energy potential by falling into a "gravity well"... whereas magnetism is a distortion of space-time that can cause a "well"
or a "hill", and thus can attract or repulse accordingly.
Two different forces, both acting on the QVZPE field to distort it. In fact, magnetism can affect gravity, mediated through the QVZPE field, and conversely, gravity can affect magnetism, mediated through the QVZPE field... but they are still separate and distinct forces.
One way of looking at it is that gravity
is warped space-time, whereas magnetism
can warp space-time. So in effect, you're half right... gravity is a "well" in space-time, but you're neglecting the other half, the "hills" in space-time that magnetism can create... you'd be less wrong to say gravity is magnetism, but you'd still be wrong.
Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
At the atomic level, a nuclei that turns becomes a very big event for the other atoms around that then respond to that turn without emitting anything. Spin Conveyance explains all our effects man. So easy. Look up "sound of the atom" by IBM on youtube. Just the sound will explain how feisty atoms really are. We have only scrapped the surface of their interactions and there is no field or electron required.
By what means is this "spin conveyance" being mediated? Or are you describing a magical process that requires no mediation? Do you not know about quantum tensors? What you're really describing is energy transfer from atom to atom, mediated by the QVZPE field. It's called the Exchange Interaction, the underlying reason why magnets exist in the first place. When we create a magnet, we force a material into a state in which it is conserving exchange energy, at the price of a higher electron kinetic energy. This higher electron kinetic energy causes the electron to throw off more Larmor radiation in the form of virtual photons (which we perceive as magnetism) due to that higher kinetic energy and thus higher angular acceleration. In addition, all those electrons in the bulk of a magnet rejecting out-of-phase QVZPE field modes damps electron precession, causing a less chaotic electron orbit and thus a more coherent magnetic field.
Here's a basic primer to start you off:
https://gravityandlevity.wordpress.com/2015/04/19/where-does-magnetism-come-from/
Here's what I wrote in another post:
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Electrons are particles (they have a rest mass, after all, and it's now been proven that they reject QVZPE field modes longer than their radius, as all matter does, which is why those out-of-phase QVZPE field modes impinge upon the electron in the first place, and part of the reason a magnet's magnetic field is coherent (a "field" (for want of a better descriptive term) of electrons all rejecting out-of-phase QVZPE field modes longer than the Compton radius (acting much like a Casimir cavity) damps electron precession as a whole in the bulk of the magnet, allowing the Larmor radiation thrown off by those electrons to be more coherent and thus perceivable at the pole faces)
Electrons are so small and light that the QVZPE field modes that destructively interfere with its orbit about a nucleus make it appear as though it were of a similar nature to those QVZPE field mode electromagnetic waves that are impinging upon it. The electron wants to make a nice circular orbit about the nucleus, but the destructively-interfering QVZPE field modes toss it about, necessitating that we use quantum superposition to estimate its most likely position simply because we have no equipment that can zoom in enough and which has a fast enough data acquisition speed to accurately determine its position.
For free electrons, I further contend that what we're seeing in the double-slit experiment with electrons is a manifestation of the electron being impinged upon by those destructively-interfering QVZPE field modes. We're not seeing the electron as a wave, we're seeing the QVZPE field modes (ie: electromagnetic waves) impinging upon the electron such that it's "tossed" upon those QVZPE electromagnetic waves. So we're actually seeing the anisotropy of the QVZPE field, said anisotropy caused by the electron passing through the QVZPE field on its way to the target and interacting with the QVZPE field... it's kind of like that "random walk" game called Plinko at carnivals (you put a disc in at the top, it bounces off of pegs on its way down, you get points or a prize if it lands in a certain spot)... except replace the disc with the electron, and the pegs with the QVZPE field modes impinging upon that electron.
By conducting the double-slit experiment in a Casimir cavity such that the QVZPE wave modes that predominantly destructively interfere with electrons is damped, we would see the electron exhibiting much more "particle-like" behavior than it normally does.
Interestingly, Einstein hinted at this:
http://www.bourbaphy.fr/grangier.pdf
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Interestingly again, he goes even further in the 1909 conference (as well as in another article [3] published also in 1909), and identifies two basic contributions to the fluctuations of radiation: one is a "particle-like" contribution, that we would call now shot-noise, and the other one is a "wavelike" contribution, which is due to random interferences, and that we would call now speckle-like fluctuations, or the Hanbury-Brown and Twiss effect.
All matter rejects QVZPE field modes longer than its radius. This has been found to be the basis of the mass which matter has. Energy and mass are interchangeable under Einstein's famous formula, thus the amount of energy that matter rejects in the form of QVZPE field modes longer than that matter's radius is responsible for the mass of that matter.
Or, as I wrote in another post:
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http://vixra.org/pdf/1203.0033v1.pdf
Apparently, all mass interferes with QVZPE fluctuations, and the smaller that mass is, the more frequency modes of the QVZPE are excluded. And protons and electrons both exclude QVZPE fluctuations within themselves, although they can be acted upon by the QVZPE field... therefore the electron is a particle... but it's so small and light that the QVZPE fluctuations acting upon it fling it about as though it were a wave.
Another interesting thing to note:
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The difference in the inner and outer diameters is 0.338 fm, which equates to a shell thickness of 0.169 fm. This value is interesting in that it is similar to the wavelength of a virtual proton-antiproton pair at the pair production energy, 0.330 fm = λp-a = hc/4mp, where mp is the mass-energy of the proton.
In other words, I was right. The QVZPE field density is right on the verge of concretizing mass, but there's an energetic hurdle it must get over in order to do so. That explains why virtual particles don't stick around for very long (the fluctuation in the QVZPE field density is short-lived... it's a wave (or more to the point, an interaction between two other waves that constructively interfered and built up a large enough resultant wave that pair production could occur) that's damped when the virtual particle pairs are created, and smeared over a longer time period as those virtual particle pairs disappear back into the QVZPE field).
It also verifies the mass-energy density and radius of the electron by comparing it to the known vacuum energy density and radius of the proton and adjusting the calculated mass-energy density of the electron until the two match up... not surprisingly, the "size" of an electron is equivalent to the Compton wavelength. That's a good verification to have, but more importantly:
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If we initially set di equal to the Compton wavelength, the energy density of the excluded wavelengths from that point and larger is 1.124E26 GeV/cm3, which we can see is very close to the electron mass-energy density.
Which means the energy from the QVZPE field that the electron is "interfering with" due to it being matter is the energy it is using to maintain itself in orbit around the nucleus. It's using the QVZPE field modes it is excluding as a "springboard" to propel itself. That's the strongest evidence yet that the QVZPE field provides the energy that keeps matter stable by preventing electron capture.
Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
I will be providing a paper soon on this but have been busy on my bench. We work here in OU research and none of anything you just said will help. Nothing of what @Ken or @Atom has ever said will help as well. But Spin Conveyance has helped me discover Half Coil Syndrome for pulsed coils and now soon I will explain Coil Bypass for Pick-Up Coils which will both help the OUer in future orientations by providing new ways for our coil topologies and new ways of seeing how energy is conveyed in our wires. All of this stems from this construct which is mountains more in the last few months then all the years previous, and this is just the beginning because this construct can be used in every sector of science AND IT IS SO SIMPLE. Maybe too simple for the top academia. hahahahahaha
If electrons had orbitals whizzing around a nuclei, you should be able to put a pick up coil beside a rock and get output. But that does not happen. Could say so much more but will stop for now. Maybe just to say that no, I do not have all the answers because this is way so big it will take years and years and many people but at least the door is open and the view so far is fantastic. By placing it against more objections it will just get stronger and stronger but no, I do not have all the answers, and yes, I have been objecting against SC for 5 years now and still have not won against it. It will be better that I open my own thread. hahaha
Thanks for your comments.
wattsup
I'd be interested in learning more about this Spin Conveyance, predicated upon it not being another case of Wheelerism. Thus far I've found a paucity of information in searching.
Wattsup? I'll tell you what's up......Cycle's scrapped it!
Borrow from the vacuum-but you must pay back in the time allowed.
Quote from: minnie on January 16, 2016, 09:11:44 AM
Who believes the QVZPEF exists as speculated???
There is no speculation as to the existence of the QVZPE field, it's been known about since Max Planck first mathematically discovered it circa 1900.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/follow-up-what-is-the-zer/
Researchers at Chalmers University in 2011 concretized virtual photons from the QVZPE field using Dynamical Casimir Effect.
The QVZPE field is why we find it impossible to solidify helium at absolute zero and atmospheric pressure... there is still energy there that keeps it a liquid.
The QVZPE field is responsible for the speed of light. As photons traverse the universe, they impinge upon and give up their energy to the QVZPE field, just as photons traveling through any medium do. That medium then returns the energy to the photon after a short time, said time delay being called the "resistivity" of the medium, which is what slows the speed of the photon in that medium.
The QVZPE field is what is responsible for universal expansion... as mass is converted to energy in stars, that energy entropies and becomes part of the QVZPE field, thereby increasing QVZPE field radiation pressure. The universe has only two options to relieve this field radiation pressure... either concretize mass or expand. Right now, it is energetically more conservative to expand. At some point in the past, it was energetically more conservative to concretize mass, which accounts for 1 billionth of all the energy from the Big Bang turning into the mass we have today.
The QVZPE field is also responsible for universal expansion at faster than the speed of light. The QVZPE field is a magnetohydrodynamic fluid, a cold plasma (plasma being the most prevalent form of mass in the universe, given that stars are plasma). It's a well-known plasma phenomenon that electromagnetic waves above the plasma frequency can travel faster than c, or the speed of light in that plasma... given that the QVZPE field permeates the universe, it sets the universal speed of light at c... but QVZPE field modes at a higher frequency than the QVZPE field's plasma frequency can exceed this speed. Thus the QVZPE field radiation pressure (which is always increasing as mass is converted to energy in stars) can reach the edge of the universe at faster than the speed of light, thus expanding the universe at faster than the speed of light.
Even such mundane everyday objects such as electrical generators operate only because of the QVZPE field... magnetism affects space-time.
As I wrote in another post:
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A conventional generator moves a magnetic field through space to compress (slow down) space-time in the local time frame of the generator, which causes a perceived charge compression which pushes the electrons out over the wires to power a load. The motionless electrical generator would exploit the time-compression effect directly, said effect brought about by dint of the magnetic flux stressing the QVZPE field. We get a bonus, though... the magnet with "keeper" is both compressing (on one pole face) and expanding (on the opposite pole face) time.
That's from my open-source-energy.org posts, detailing a motionless electrical generator utilizing specialized magnetic flux paths such that, rather than a conventional magnet counteracting its ability to do work by dint of the fact that a conventional magnet has a centripetal and a centrifugal (attractive and repulsive) interface on each pole face which mutually cancel any vector force the magnet might create, the specialized flux paths align the attractive and repulsive interfaces so both of them are reinforcing instead of self-canceling, thus exploiting the time-compression effects of magnetism upon space-time without requiring motion, as is required in a conventional generator.
Quote from: minnie on January 16, 2016, 06:57:25 PM
Borrow from the vacuum-but you must pay back in the time allowed.
Actually, no. Haisch and Moddel have discovered a way of taking energy from the QVZPE field without requiring that it be paid back until after that energy is put to work for our purposes. They do it using a Casimir cavity to suppress QVZPE field modes such that the ground state electron orbital of a noble gas is suppressed, forcing the noble gas to give off photons, which are captured and converted to electricity or heat. After exiting the Casimir cavity, the noble gas draws energy from the QVZPE field to regain normal 1s orbital, then is routed back around to repeat the process.
Their method lowers QVZPE field energy locally, but you're tapping a universal pool of energy, so there shouldn't be any effect (except for minor time dilation and compression in the local areas where the energy is being extracted and where it is being used, but we're talking on the order of trillionths of a second per hour, so no big deal... and that happens anyway with our electrical distribution system).
The same can be done using magnets, since magnets opposite-pole to opposite-pole (N to S), with a gap, lower QVZPE field density in that gap, much as a Casimir cavity does. But they'd have to be exceptionally strong magnets unless one were to use specialized flux paths as I outline in my open-source-energy.org posts.
One similarity I've seen amongst solutions that tap the QVZPE field to extract energy is that they are reported to get cooler than ambient when operating... they're absorbing energy locally, converting it into something we can use, then chucking that energy off to somewhere else to do work.
I see here the same problem exposed in many posts. The circular thinking, without anyone sensing they think in circular way. All talk about mass and associate it with matter. Others goes a bit deeper but on the same path of thinking and talk about momentum for elementary particles. And that's all! No one want to consider the premise of defining the concept of mass. Because that mean to rethink everything based on other bricks. And people don't have time, they are in business all the time, in the search for immediate advantage! i.e just another example of circular thinking.
Mass is an intrinsic propriety of motion not of something static, and in now way of what we have defined as matter. Now each one of you try to rethink everything you know according to this. Maybe in this way some of you will get a glimpse of the concept of dielectric inertial plane, about which Ken talk in his work. And of course about the reciprocating magnetic fields.
Re the Ghost thing and the little girl, be very aware of this demonic trick, by acknowledging and emotionally accepting into your home this entity, be aware you might very well not be aware demons can pretend they are something they are not in order to be invited in!
Once this is done their is no turning back as you will have given your self to the dark side, free will! no longer.
AG
Quote from: sadang on January 17, 2016, 01:49:08 AM
I see here the same problem exposed in many posts. The circular thinking, without anyone sensing they think in circular way. All talk about mass and associate it with matter. Others goes a bit deeper but on the same path of thinking and talk about momentum for elementary particles. And that's all! No one want to consider the premise of defining the concept of mass. Because that mean to rethink everything based on other bricks. And people don't have time, they are in business all the time, in the search for immediate advantage! i.e just another example of circular thinking.
Mass is an intrinsic propriety of motion not of something static, and in now way of what we have defined as matter. Now each one of you try to rethink everything you know according to this. Maybe in this way some of you will get a glimpse of the concept of dielectric inertial plane, about which Ken talk in his work. And of course about the reciprocating magnetic fields.
Ummm, no. Matter does not require motion to exist, to have mass, that's why it's called "rest mass". The only time mass "is an intrinsic property of motion" is for massless entities, which QM discovered, described and explained in Einstein's equation, 111 years ago.
From another of my posts in which I dismantle yet another Wheeler misconception:
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We'll now go into his utterly absurd take on nuclear fission, in which he claims that there is no mass-energy equivalency, the energy released is solely due to inter-molecular "inertia" being converted from rotational to linear, and if one were to gather up all the particles of the bomb post-explosion, one could reassemble the bomb in whole.
What Wheeler (and Circlon Theory, from whence he got the idea) are talking about is the binding energy of atoms... energy can be obtained by either fissioning heavy elements or fusing light elements, which extracts the atomic binding energy. The closer one gets on the Periodic Table to iron, the less energy obtainable, given that iron is the most atomically stable element. So they are correct (at least in spirit) about the extraction of binding energy (although it's got nothing to do with "inter-atomic inertia"). But that doesn't mean that conversion of mass directly into energy isn't otherwise possible.
A quote from Wheeler's book:
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An atomic explosion, of which all matter is still present and not converted (contrary to Einstein and wholly backed by Tesla) there is a loss of inter-atomic inertia. The uranium, plutonium, or tritium are still within the mushroom cloud. All of the original components needed to reconstruct the transformed atoms to their initial nuclear states are speeding away in all directions and could, in principle, be reassembled back into the original nuclei.
You'll note this is a bastardization of Circlon Theory:
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It is believed that when an atomic bomb explodes, matter is transformed into enormous amounts of energy. This is not true. After the explosion, all of the original matter still exists. All of the protons, electrons, and neutrons making up the uranium, plutonium, or tritium are still within the mushroom cloud.
The mass-energy equivalency concept has been thoroughly documented, measured and proven:
http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2005/emc2
E=mc2 passes tough MIT test
"The team found that the formula predicting that energy and mass are equivalent is correct to an incredible accuracy of better than one part in a million. That's 55 times more precise than the best previous test."
Of course, E=mc2 is incorrect (not so much incorrect as incomplete). It doesn't take into account massless entities. It's only valid for massive objects. In 1905 Einstein derived an equation that works in all situations:
E2=P2c2+m2c4.
He figured out that the energy of a photon isn't governed by its mass or its velocity (like matter), but instead is governed entirely by f, it's frequency: E=hf, where h is Planck's constant.
For light, m=0, so E=Pc (energy and momentum are proportional).
Notice that massless entities can never have zero momentum, since something with zero mass and zero energy isn't something, it's nothing. This is just another way of saying that light can never be stationary. It's also a way of saying that everything (massive or massless) has frequency.
In the case of an object with mass m, that isn't moving (P=0), you then get E=mc2.
Mr. Wheeler probably also denies that when TNT explodes, there is a quantifiable loss of mass converted to energy (other than the energy released via the chemical reaction), to the tune of approximately 0.47E-10 kg per original kg of TNT, which is able to be stated thusly:
"In all interactions, there is a loss of mass, equal to 1/c2 times the amount of energy released."
Note that the statement above says all interactions... we were able to figure out the mass-energy equivalency via nuclear reactions first, because they yield the highest change in mass per interaction, but the same holds true for any process which releases energy. It's just that for non-nuclear interactions, the mass-energy equivalency is so low as to be practically immeasurable.
In Mr. Wheeler's universe, radiation (energy sans matter) could not exist... as this is the byproduct of nuclear reaction... but then, I'm guessing neither Mr. Wheeler nor the proponents of Circlon Theory have stopped to ponder just what radiation really is.
Nor did they stop to consider that even a chemical explosion results in an EMP... a "blast" of energy in the form of magnetic flux. It's how flux compression generator bombs (FCGs) work, a technology that's been known since the 1950s. If no mass is converted to energy, where did the EMP come from, given that according to Wheeler and Circlon Theory, all the matter remains intact? Remember, it's a chemical explosion, there are no nuclear changes in binding energy, thereby removing nuclear binding energy as a potential source of the EMP.
If we were able to completely transform mass to energy in one fell swoop (rather than relying upon the sequential transmutation down the Periodic Table of the elements via nuclear processes), there would be such a release of energy that it would boggle the mind... even the decay of 235U (which gives the products of 92Kr and 141Ba, which then decay to 140Xe and 91Sr) yields 165 MeV of energy (note that's two decay steps)... imagine if 235U were converted directly and instantaneously to energy.
For a comparison, colliding a proton and anti-proton would yield an astounding 1.876 GeV (although protons having 3 quarks and anti-protons having 3 anti-quarks, it gets messy if they have high momentum. It can result in full annihilation at low momentum or partial annihilation with generation of other matter at high momentum).
Is that "deep" enough for you?
"Borrow from the vacuum-but you must pay back in the time allowed"
negative energy washed away in the name of the Christ
Jesus
Be Careful what you play with ,some doors should not be opened
lest the Hounds and their chariot come for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0usXR4d6Qs
Atom: Our admin has also magic device- it is called a "mouse" And with just a couple clicks he can make you also disappear. I say it would be shame as I found you quite entertaining. :) But, not every body here has as much of sense for humor :)
I have a question about CERN- My question is : Why its Logo is the logo of the beast (666). Why they have a statue of god Shiva in front of building ( god SHIVA- destroyer of the world), Why there has been registered some balls falling from sky in Spain last year, And my last question is -what can you tell us about "Death star" or foo fighters? ;)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315700/THIRD-mystery-Death-Star-space-ball-crash-Spanish-village-sparks-terror-locals-mayor-demands-authorities-explain-are.html
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 17, 2016, 04:39:54 PM
THIS IS A REAL MAGNETIC VORTEX
https://youtu.be/4SFgDUXZc-E (https://youtu.be/4SFgDUXZc-E)
There is no batteries and yes its real and its already in the USA ...... Now who wants a bet that in 1 year its the most deadliest weapon on the streets in every country on the planet as a dark laser .... Its odds on so come on let me see your money !!!
Did you think I WAS JOKING ??? ??? ??? ? YOU WANTED A MAGNETIC VORTEX WELL HERE IT IS !!!!!!!!!
You're hilarious !
You wouldn't know a "magnetic vortex" if you woke up next to one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb1UpX0-Q00
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 17, 2016, 04:39:54 PM
THIS IS A REAL MAGNETIC VORTEX
https://youtu.be/4SFgDUXZc-E
There is no batteries and yes its real and its already in the USA ...... Now who wants a bet that in 1 year its the most deadliest weapon on the streets in every country on the planet as a dark laser .... Its odds on so come on let me see your money !!!
Did you think I WAS JOKING ?????????? YOU WANTED A MAGNETIC VORTEX WELL HERE IT IS !!!!!!!!!
ATOM: WTF? It is Hoppy's Fake video :) You should really go to doctor tomorrow morning. I think you got a big dose of radiation from that Alien lending you told us about :)
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 17, 2016, 06:31:23 PM
TinselKoala
If I was as thick as you I would float on water hahahaha That tick seems to me ok as long as he keeps taking it out than puts it back in but that will take some energy hahahahaha ...
The thing about the transformer trick is its deadly !!! a few modulators and its frequency goes so high and its amps follow that the end result is lasers everywhere ... You can buy a small green light laser on ebay and its got a 10 mile beam and it can also light a match for just a few bucks ....... That's pounds here in the uk ! you need to calm down !
So now we have this interesting little monster that costs less than a train ticket to build and can hit an airline and bring it down ! So I don't see the joke in that TinselKoala BUT YOU DO DONT YOU SON !
TinselKoala You need some TLC son and I have just the thing for you .. Its called a 12 000 ft drop and you have to belly flop into a paddle pool .......... It wont hurt you son your so think you just bounce back up to the plane wont you hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Now than so little monster will need some opposition to control it or we are all completely fucked ......
Err how would a .5 mw lecturers marker laser bring a plane down ? and Atom all i can see is you going on about lasers no one else, are you ok ?
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 17, 2016, 05:57:45 PM
You're hilarious !
You wouldn't know a "magnetic vortex" if you woke up next to one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb1UpX0-Q00
TK
Why even bother arguing with this clown.
He is all dribble and no action.
Quote from: tinman on January 17, 2016, 09:54:22 PM
TK
Why even bother arguing with this clown.
He is all dribble and no action.
Of course he is! I enjoy the clown shows at the circus, don't you? Every time they have a pratfall, we all laugh. When they go walking about in their huge shoes, with that big red rubber ball nose, it's hilarious! And that's what this clown is doing, over and over, with every post he makes.
Just as I predicted earlier, he'll never demonstrate anything that supports his silly claims. He cannot !
(And Kenny won't retract his silly claims either. "Genuine Free Energy" from a bismuth sphere placed next to a magnet! What a hoot! This is the thread to see who can come up with the silliest, most absurd claims, along with the prettiest silly graphics.)
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 17, 2016, 06:31:23 PM
TinselKoala
If I was as thick as you I would float on water hahahaha That tick seems to me ok as long as he keeps taking it out than puts it back in but that will take some energy hahahahaha ...
The thing about the transformer trick is its deadly !!! a few modulators and its frequency goes so high and its amps follow that the end result is lasers everywhere ... You can buy a small green light laser on ebay and its got a 10 mile beam and it can also light a match for just a few bucks ....... That's pounds here in the uk !
So now we have this interesting little monster that costs less than a train ticket to build and can hit an airline and bring it down ! So I don't see the joke in that TinselKoala BUT YOU DO DONT YOU SON !
TinselKoala You need some TLC son and I have just the thing for you .. Its called a 12 000 ft drop and you have to belly flop into a paddle pool .......... It wont hurt you son your so think you just bounce back up to the plane wont you hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Now than so little monster will need some opposition to control it or we are all completely fucked ......
Now you're frothing at the mouth! You should speak to your doctor... you really need to have your medications adjusted, before your brain dissolves and starts running out your earholes!
Try holding your breath, stomping your feet and spinning around in a circle until you fall down! That's so much easier, and more effective, than PROVING YOUR CLAIMS -- which you cannot do, since they are all just figments of your overheated imagination.
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 17, 2016, 11:53:56 PM
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 17, 2016, 06:31:23 PM
TinselKoala
If I was as thick as you I would float on water hahahaha
Now you're frothing at the mouth! You should speak to your doctor... you really need to have your medications adjusted, before your brain dissolves and starts running out your earholes!
Try holding your breath, stomping your feet and spinning around in a circle until you fall down! That's so much easier, and more effective, than PROVING YOUR CLAIMS -- which you cannot do, since they are all just figments of your overheated imagination.
And the funny thing is, even in his insults, he's diametrically opposed to reality. Objects denser than water do not float unless their displacement exceeds their weight... so Mr. Richardson isn't trying to say you're stupid, he's trying to say you're... built like a battleship? ???
Here's a good analogy of the QVZPE field and matter:
https://gravityandlevity.wordpress.com/2015/08/20/a-childrens-picture-book-introduction-to-quantum-field-theory/
Essentially, the QVZPE field can be represented in classical form by a bunch of balls on vertical springs, and at the bottom of each ball-and-spring is a ratchet with several latches (each ratchet level representing a certain element of the Periodic Table).
Each ball is connected to its neighboring ball-and-spring with elastic. But in this ball-and-spring universe, the balls have to keep bouncing (ie: the QVZPE field is energetic) and must only bounce up and down by certain amounts (ie: the energy levels are quantized).
So a small wave of energy, which is below that which is required to cause the balls to bounce will produce no propagating waves across the ball-and-spring universe, and given that it's a universe, this means that energy below this threshold is not allowed (ie: there is a minimum energy level to the universe, a ground state).
Mass constitutes a "latched ratchet", where so much energy has been added to these ball-and-springs in a certain region that the ball-and-spring have been compressed and stuck, the ratchet has engaged and that spring remains permanently compressed (making mass permanent) until something trips that ratchet (ie: matter causes a "well" in the QVPZE field, which is what the fabric of space-time is, after all... for elements that are highly "compressed", the ratchet can 'slip', allowing that ball-and-spring to rise slightly (transmutation of heavy elements)).
This 'latched ratchet' ball-and-spring no longer has to keep moving, it has "rest mass". Because that spring has its ratchet engaged, it cannot transmit the bouncing going on throughout the rest of the QVZPE field (ie: matter rejects QVZPE field modes longer than its radius), which tend to keep that spring's ratchet engaged (ie: the fact that matter rejects QVZPE field modes longer than its radius is what gives matter its mass).
But the QVZPE field still acts upon matter (via the elastic, or what we would call the Exchange Interaction), and thus matter is tied to and affected by the QVZPE field, and can affect the QVZPE field.
Now, it stands to reason that matter with less mass would be more affected by the QVZPE field (ie: electrons are so light they are tossed upon the QVZPE field modes so much that we sense them as waves, despite them having rest mass and thereby being matter), whereas heavier atoms are less affected (ie: it takes the highly energetic conditions of an exploding supernova to create mass further down the Periodic Table than iron).
Photons are perturbations upon the QVZPE field that don't cause the spring's ratchets to engage... but mass can be created from photons:
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_16-5-2014-15-32-44
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Breit and Wheeler suggested that it should be possible to turn light into matter by smashing together only two particles of light (photons), to create an electron and a positron – the simplest method of turning light into matter ever predicted. The calculation was found to be theoretically sound but Breit and Wheeler said that they never expected anybody to physically demonstrate their prediction.
And yet again, we see that it entails colliding two energetic photons to cause those spring's ratchets to engage, thereby creating rest mass. The same method by which heavier elements are created in an exploding supernova.
element93rd, what do you think about this video? https://youtu.be/-4v-xdISLTI
In effect, they say that the humans have an anti-gravity aircraft. And this was filmed by an army pilot, supposedly.
Do you think that OU is possible once and for all? (i do)
What do you think the answer is? (to go live on mars?)
I think it is very clear to me in my mind - those that poses an OU device, or a zero-gravity one, will be rulers of others countries - PERIOD! = politics plain and simple. ??? GREEED! MONEY! OIL!
We are here talking about stuff that no one has the money nor the balls to do...and how can you when you don't have the monetary nor knowledge support to back you up? lol It has come to my attention that people are just here "debating" to just have a good laugh and NOT really make anything happen. Or can we with your help? ???
element93rd, 2+2=4.....period. Lets not keep beating the bush. Show us something that can change the wold no matter if people steal your ideas to make money...it is time once and for all. Actions speak louder than words and make the people talking your followers?
I see we've got another Wheeler, John A.
QuoteBut right now I have managed to work out my fuzz box hahahha Its very simple ! This fuzz box can create a void where mass can sit with out gravity and also make the mass invisible ...... !
It is a 1 metre length of coil made up of 12 coils which are in chromatic order by the natural resonance at 0 c temp ... It sits on a plastic pipe at 2.2 inch diameter as that is in square to the fabric of space time at 2.2 degrees imperial measurement ...
The magic coil has a saddle that it sits above at only 4 cm and made of silver and nickel ! And a 168 000 v Polarised AC charge is delivered to the magic coil at a wave height at 10% the size of negative hydrogen ! I am not to sure what that is in HZ ? But I believe it to be 36000 HZ what is inversely square to the distance of earths gravitational field at 36000 miles ...
The device is at 36 inches off the ground and the pules delivery is set out along the logarithm of the 9 and as you lift off the ground you will need to change the pulse at every interval along the gravity field of the earth ... Earths gravity waves are set along the same path of the logarithm of the 9 over its 36000 mile distance starting at 36 inches !!!
When you switch it on a long length of sparks will appear along the coil and from the central point of the coil you will need a wire attached to the craft or mass and it must be sent to a negative charged coil as an independent new earth .............. !!!
These are the true and correct parameters to zero G for any mass at 36 inches off the ground ..!!! It is wise to insulate your craft if you wish to live in side of it or your body will be fuzzed out like the Philadelphia rainbow experiment and you will merge with the mass of the craft ............ !!!
This guy is entertainment lol Show it, don't say it. You can say that you are the queen of England till you are blue in the face, but you look like a hobo? (keeps on eating pop-corn hehehe)
Sounds like your mom/dad never slaped you in the face when you where telling little kid stories like when you told them that an eagle took you off your feet and to the nest, to then you beat the eagle to death and you made it home safely and alive? ???
I was expecting some good advice from Joel on sharpening combs
and cutters.
He could have explained about cloths,glue,disc pressure plates,
pendulums,magnetic holders,polishing compound,cleaning sticks,
and most importantly hollow grinding.
^ lol You are funny....you showed me a picture of a grinding wheel when I asked you how to sharped clippers. lol
You need to give me advice not the other way around...hehehehe If you want advice from me to save some money in your pockets, you need to pay me to show you my skills of sharpening the clippers and maintaining them sharp... trust me (they call me rat rotini) I can sharpen your clippers way sharp than they are right now...but not for freee...:)
;D I have seen one of the Atoms device ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8N6kIiRRHQ
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 17, 2016, 08:20:58 PM
MR gray !
Get passed the I am so blind I cant see further than your nose nonsense ! You know perfectly well what I mean ! And I do not wish to detail the laser ...
I have one of these transformers in fact I have 3 different types but they are all very dangerous in the wrong hands like the hands of men that have a taste for guns ect ect ect .....
Its not just what you can do with them its what can happen to them over a period of time ! All these coil type generators are the same in that way and its to late now as they are soon to be everywhere ....
Would you like a device that you can point at water and the water explodes ? Salt water will just combust and you can shot down a passenger airline with it ? No ! Down the road from me there was 2 Islamic terrorists who had a bomb factory in there kitchen ! They were a second phase after 7/11 here in the UK ...
when you can fully adjust HZ to infinity and amps and volts the power laser gets smaller and smaller ..... ! The road ahead with this is going to be a hard pill to swallow !....... And the OU will soon be promoting them like sweats in a shop but there already on the net and its not coming with a warning like the one I am giving it .
This is a very lethal technology ............... far worse than a machine gun or a 1000 pound bomb !!! its very bad shit !!!
Well thanks for that, how many weeks have you been on here ? and it's taken you till now to come out with the bottom line ? If i were you I wouldn't go to deep into the 7/ 7 or 911 we all know they were the 'trigger' points an in side job, it's all over the internet 'you tube' and not just shit but 'facts'.
Stop being so paranoid if you had your way we will go back to the middle ages ! and i bet that's the plan!
just cool it.
Mr Sagittarius ;) yeah! Uncle SAMuel's new mascot is actually 'Isis =(Mary) with Apollo's face, look at the statue of liberty's face! (they call it the new religion). you won't stop it they are the ruling class. It's their agenda. it's all about Egyptian Mythology to them !
Have a nice day ;) stay cool.
Will the REAL clow(s) stand UP>>>>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Ahh.. It Tinsel Koala and the missing Brain Tinman...clown....
Oh Ah....It's a freak show again here in by the two clowns ...
"As the Tinsel Koala clown said to the Tinman clown....!!!"
"Of course he is! I enjoy the clown shows at the circus, don't you? Every time they have a pratfall, we all laugh. When they go walking about in their huge shoes, with that big red rubber ball nose, it's hilarious! And that's what this clown is doing, over and over, with every post he makes.":
and
"Why even bother arguing with this clown.
He is all dribble and no action."
And
Tinsel cclown said:
"Now you're frothing at the mouth! You should speak to your doctor... you really need to have your medications adjusted, before your brain dissolves and starts running out your earholes!
Try holding your breath, stomping your feet and spinning around in a circle until you fall down! That's so much easier, and more effective, than PROVING YOUR CLAIMS -- which you cannot do, since they are all just figments of your overheated imagination."
Haa ha ha... now that is really funnnneeeeeeyyy.....
Acca..
Ps...
it's the poor and the weak from the evil clowns here...[/font]
@CycleGuy
Yes I know it sounds crazy and I know you cannot think this way and I know even more. This is indeed encouraging because it shows I have to be very careful in the way I am exposing SC. Please remember that we are talking about something that for all intents is counter our present construct so of course there will be
enormous chasms of counter-logic.
The main basis is this. What you are referring to in most cases are effects of action at a distance. One action occurs at point A and we receive a corresponding action at point B. I one case is your photon. You produce an energy at point A and receive an energy at point B and it is only human nature to think that between points A and B there needs to be a transfer of something for this to occur. Something has to travel from point A to point B for point B to respond.
This is where we have basically decided to complicate our lives to unlimited levels. In SC point A creates an atomic change and point B simply sees that change. It does not need a photon to travel from point A to then tell point B "Hey, something just happening at point A". Point B can see this because its atomic nature permits it to turn towards that energy source that is sees as being a new gravity source. You see that turn as a glitch on your monitor and understand it to be the effect of a traveling signal, a traveling photon, a traveling electron. We as our base nature need to fill in the gaps for things to make sense at our level so for us to abdicate any further correlations, we prefer to keep the invisible travel mode alive.
Even Einstien could not really understand action at a distance (3AD), and it is our inability to understand 3AD that is one main crux in how we work out logical explanations of our effects. Every time a coils pulses and another coil picks up that pulse, automatically there has to be something in between. The field is our automatic response. But what if the copper atoms in the pick up coil have the ability to respond on their own because that it their nature because the atomic make up permits nucleic spin (or slight turning) and what if that turning, as slight as it may be or as extreme as it can be is conveyed from one nucleus in the copper to next nucleus down the line to your monitor showing this wave form. Then there is no more field involved since there is no need for a field to be involved.
You can produce empirical data for every known effect. You can take that data and summarize 3AD as being action A produces a field that sends out its field fingers in all directions and luckily touches point B that responds with a glitch on the monitor. You can take that same effect and understand that point B just sees it without any in between action required. This puts all the responsibility or all the abilities of the effect hence all the onus on the atom itself. This is where we as OUers doing research in electrical effects have been blinded by a field being the cause of our effects. That is were we are going wrong and that is what is holding us back from realizing OU devices.
Unfortunately for me, any construct at this level has to agree with everything else out there and I understand this and accept it only because the final present will be a better understanding of how to produce OU devices, devices which will not resemble our devices of today because we presently build things based on field effects and electron flow and not because the effects are simply seen via SC.
I am not disputing empirical data because that is the cornerstone of our technical prowess, that is to produce effect and measure their reactions. The debate is on how you understand that data. You can decide that the field is in between and live and grow and even prosper. No problem. But there has to be a price to pay if we are wrong and one of those prices we are paying now is living in a world without OU. That price for me is to high and my orientation is to see why we are paying such a high price, and, from what I can see, the construct of our effects is the reason, not the data.
So I will try to respond to your comments in bold and see where that goes.
Quote from: CycleGuy on January 16, 2016, 06:27:09 PM
I'm sorry, there's just so much wrong with what you've said that I find myself unable to muster the necessary GAS to set you completely straight... as an adult, you should be self-correcting in your knowledge, yet you seem to have gone so very far off the rails of what makes sense without once questioning whether what you believe reflects reality. So I'll respond to only a few points below...
1) Hahaha yes life is hard indeed when two constructs collide. There is no need to set me straight. If you look up my past here, you will know that straight is my middle name. Anyways it is not a question of setting anything straight but if after all this both can come out a little less wrong, then we are both winners.
The mass of a proton is very nearly the same as the mass of a neutron, but they are not the same.
Neutron = 1.6749286E-27 kg = 939.56563 MeV
Proton = 1.6726231E-27 kg = 938.27231 MeV
Electron = 9.1093897E-31 kg = 0.51099906 MeV
2) Please, I know this but one less hair on your head does not make a difference and if you take the margin of error in those numbers you will quickly realize they are the same for all intents and purposes, also given that atoms of one type are also each unique in their way.
The magnetic properties of an element are able to be predicted based upon how its valence shells are filled, whereas I've done an audit of all elements, correlating their Proton:Neutron ratio and Molar Magnetic Susceptibility... there is no correlation between P:N and MMS.
3) Please again. Take a perfectly weighted ball with a perfectly positioned horizontal axis, what will it do when you let it go. Nothing. Now in the case of the copper atom nucleus, make a ball that is 9.4% heavier on one side of the horizontal axis then the other and now let it go, what will happen. The ball will turn with its "Heavy Side" pointing down towards the Earth core. From there you can extrapolate all the atoms and all their shells and realize that it is both of these that produce the attributes they possess and how they will respond to Earth gravity, magnetic gravity or pulsed gravity. If the nucleus responds on its own, why does it need a field? If that response can be conveyed from one nucleus to the next down a copper wire, why do you need electrons?
You're still conflating two disparate forces... please elucidate why you believe magnetism to be gravity and vice versa?
4) Because all the actual effects of the field can be explained via SC as nucleic spin conveyance. There never was any requirement for a field.
Let me give you one example. If you can understand #3, ok let's start.
You have rock atoms at the surface of Earth. During the night all those atoms have their nuclei pointing down to the Earth Core (EC) because they all know that there is one big gravity force some 3000 miles down. At sunrise, those nuclei now see a new gravity source so they start turning towards it but the force is weak so they start oscillating between the EC and the Suns position. At noon, with the sun overhead, the nuclei are really starting to Sway pointing almost upwards then falling back again to EC and this oscillation is so strong that the atoms heat up enough that you can burn your feet or even boil an egg on the rock surface. As the sun now starts its sunset, the nuclei are now in a lower oscillation and things start to cool down and during the night they can rest till tomorrow simply content on looking again at the EC.
Now ask anyone how the standard model describes this effect and you will soon realize for yourself which is more logical. You will inevitably get photons involved, going from the sun to Earth. WHY????? When the rock atoms already have this reaction built in.
So let's say our atmosphere, rather than being the density of air, were of a greater density... say that of the density of the salt water in the Dead Sea... would that thick atmosphere "keep you down" on the surface of the planet, or would you float to the surface of that thick atmosphere? According to you, you'd be pinned to the surface of the planet with so much force you'd be crushed.
Put another way, the atmosphere plays no part in "keeping you down" on the surface of the planet. The atmosphere is present because of gravity, it neither causes nor contributes to gravity.
5) This is not right. I am a lighter liquid so I can float in sea water but not in air.
I... I don't even know how to begin to rectify your misconceptions. I leave you to do so yourself. Suffice to say, you are so wrong that "wrong" is the wrong word to describe how wrong you are.
Of course, deep down you must know that there exists no massive objects in the universe which can repel each other via gravity, given that gravity is a distortion of space-time caused by massive objects which causes massive objects to seek their lowest energy potential by falling into a "gravity well"... whereas magnetism is a distortion of space-time that can cause a "well" or a "hill", and thus can attract or repulse accordingly.
Two different forces, both acting on the QVZPE field to distort it. In fact, magnetism can affect gravity, mediated through the QVZPE field, and conversely, gravity can affect magnetism, mediated through the QVZPE field... but they are still separate and distinct forces.
6) OK, think of this. If the Earth core was a true blue Neo Magnet what happens? Trouble? That's because the volume versus strength of a neo surpasses that of the Earth core at the same surface. Get it. The neo magnet is just concentrated gravity. The coil is the same thing. The copper atom responds to gravity. Pass a magnet in front of copper wire and the copper atom nuclei will turn and follow that central stronger gravity source. Remove the magnet and the atoms turn towards the EC. No field is required and no electrons need be bothered as well.
One way of looking at it is that gravity is warped space-time, whereas magnetism can warp space-time. So in effect, you're half right... gravity is a "well" in space-time, but you're neglecting the other half, the "hills" in space-time that magnetism can create... you'd be less wrong to say gravity is magnetism, but you'd still be wrong.
7) Wow. Warped space-time. The final frontier. Would make a good movie. I know just the guy.
Gravity is the biggest and only honcho around. Our coils are just furts in the windstorm that we have given all these meta-physical attributes of fielding, electroning and dreaming of warped fields, field collapse, flux (well I like flux when it's only in the core but that's just SC in action). Casimir effect is what? You have two plates full of conductive atoms and you guys are worried about the space in between, always somewhere else but the atom itself. You gotta laugh at the irony.
From the start I mentioned one experiment and thus far it has not been done. This for me is a great quandary given all the experiments man has deemed fit to spend from public coffers done in the name of QM, collidors and every other scientific effort, this one experiment has not been done and this is a great concern. During this very simple experiment all scientists should just stand up and place their bets because this would be a field breaking moment. So why have I not seen this done? Just asking.
It's really a double standard. You energize copper coil and you pick it up with a copper coil and then you say there is a field and electrons. Where the hell did they come from? They come from your imagination because you did not need to exchange electrons man and you don't need a field between an energized coil and a pick up coil. The coil is picking it up on its own. If every damn atom had to be assisted by a field and some electron to produce reality, we would never have materialized. The universe would still be a mish mash of havoc.
OK, the sense of smell of a dog. Or a Shark sensing blood from miles away. Where does it come from? A field? Electrons? No. Atoms sense other atoms no field required. Same goes for our coils. Why would that sound so far fetched? It would only sound far fetched if you spent your life like me on this side of the fence. Of course it does, but it's true man. Microbes figured it out a long time ago and look what happened? Why do certain plants harbour certain atoms and others harbor other atoms? Chemical affinities are the same thing but the scope of this is so vast that it will take many more years to express SC to its fullest form. That's not my fault. I'm just the piano player sit'n here writing a song. Hope it won't make you go ding dong. But whatever, that's not my fault.
By what means is this "spin conveyance" being mediated? Or are you describing a magical process that requires no mediation? Do you not know about quantum tensors? What you're really describing is energy transfer from atom to atom, mediated by the QVZPE field. It's called the Exchange Interaction, the underlying reason why magnets exist in the first place. When we create a magnet, we force a material into a state in which it is conserving exchange energy, at the price of a higher electron kinetic energy. This higher electron kinetic energy causes the electron to throw off more Larmor radiation in the form of virtual photons (which we perceive as magnetism) due to that higher kinetic energy and thus higher angular acceleration. In addition, all those electrons in the bulk of a magnet rejecting out-of-phase QVZPE field modes damps electron precession, causing a less chaotic electron orbit and thus a more coherent magnetic field.
None of the above.
Here's a basic primer to start you off:
https://gravityandlevity.wordpress.com/2015/04/19/where-does-magnetism-come-from/
Wow, such a revelation. Keep thinking that and you will easily repeat the last hundred years of running on the spot.
Here's what I wrote in another post:
All matter rejects QVZPE field modes longer than its radius. This has been found to be the basis of the mass which matter has. Energy and mass are interchangeable under Einstein's famous formula, thus the amount of energy that matter rejects in the form of QVZPE field modes longer than that matter's radius is responsible for the mass of that matter.
Or, as I wrote in another post:
In other words, I was right. The QVZPE field density is right on the verge of concretizing mass, but there's an energetic hurdle it must get over in order to do so. That explains why virtual particles don't stick around for very long (the fluctuation in the QVZPE field density is short-lived... it's a wave (or more to the point, an interaction between two other waves that constructively interfered and built up a large enough resultant wave that pair production could occur) that's damped when the virtual particle pairs are created, and smeared over a longer time period as those virtual particle pairs disappear back into the QVZPE field).
It also verifies the mass-energy density and radius of the electron by comparing it to the known vacuum energy density and radius of the proton and adjusting the calculated mass-energy density of the electron until the two match up... not surprisingly, the "size" of an electron is equivalent to the Compton wavelength. That's a good verification to have, but more importantly:
Which means the energy from the QVZPE field that the electron is "interfering with" due to it being matter is the energy it is using to maintain itself in orbit around the nucleus. It's using the QVZPE field modes it is excluding as a "springboard" to propel itself. That's the strongest evidence yet that the QVZPE field provides the energy that keeps matter stable by preventing electron capture.
I'd be interested in learning more about this Spin Conveyance, predicated upon it not being another case of Wheelerism. Thus far I've found a paucity of information in searching.
OK, so what is Quantum Vacuum? What is Zero Point Energy? These are all ideas as well man. So I guess QVZPE is in the same limbo as everything else, just sounds so nice but you still require a high degree of faith to entertain these in your reality. Makes it no better then SC at this stage so you have to balance things very carefully. It is easy for you to talk about QVZPE and fields and electrons as if they live next door. While you question SC, this will give you the grand opportunity to question everything else and put all of them at the same level, then see which one rises not because of mass acceptance but only because one idea has to fit them all.
SC can explain all these effects but it does not mean they become evident after one minute of questioning and five minutes of reflection. Everything depends on HOW the experiments were run. Some of these effects took me years to work out and more will require more time to work out and in that process many other action/reaction states will be discovered with SC. This is just the beginning. Once my doc is almost ready, because of course given the wide ranging ramifications it will never be complete, I will PM you a copy for a preread.
I am not planning on doing all of this alone. I think that once the base is set (AND OPEN SOURCED) in a way that can be easily understood, right away those in research who can make the proper correlations will take this and bring it to their own levels. So this is as much a learning experience for me. I am not here to do any more then one person can do so again, I do not have all the answers but once this base is set, anyone will be able to expand on it.
I started my first draft a few years before but officially on November of 2010. At that time it was a fledgling idea with basic notions that I started to put into real life comparisons using EE on my bench and realizing that what EE says is not exactly the case. During the process, things required fine tuning which I did and put them back into the critical meat grinder, threw away the fat and kept working on the lean parts so today I would say it is 70% ready, but I cannot wait any longer and will put it out soon, complete or incomplete. Why? Because my only real motivation in all of this is to help OUers work their devices better but soon realized this cannot be quarantined to OU alone. Unfortunately this touches everything and because of that, many years have past. More then I wanted.
Our time is running out and if this rock should blow, I need to get this out to as many people as possible so it is in our hands for the next round of man from dark age to technology movement. I really fear a worldwide calamity is about to occur and this will make man start over and if we can start over with SC, this time around the results for man will be better then they are now with this one world crap and organized academic and banking world crime syndicates running the planet like it was an open cash register. I fear that I and most of us will not be here to see it, but for me, it is a chance for the future humans to change their course and work with the atom instead of dreaming with the field. Hmmmmm Not bad, I'll have to keep that last line handy. hahahaha
Maybe one other question for you. If you could eliminate everything notion that is related to action at a distance, how much of present notions of science would disappear? So if that could be replaced with "direct influence" it would not change the science or the data but how many notions would disappear. Then, I would ask, is it better to advance with a backpack weighing 100 pounds or one weighing 10 pounds when both provide the same level of survival? hehehe
One more. If you wanted to control the world, you will quickly realize you need to push the world in the wrong direction so you are the only one smart enough to know everything, would you maybe invent a notion of fictitious fields and electrons and have people believing in this and then just sit back and say "As long as the field and the electron are involved, I know that no one will ever discover or reach OU and therefore, the state of our stranglehold remains secure". Just look at it from all angles man. How can you advance on a need to know basis? You can't. You will just be treading water year after year and you will be no closer to the shore. This is our life right now just treading around in circles dependent on top academia to throw out a few useless bones for us to suck on while we continue treading more.
wattsup
What so you mean the electron doesn't exist, so why did they use glass between old tram line over head wires, what's that it saturates because the energy runs between the cables and in glass says Young Eric D yea! some one cries then mumbles till it saturates just like the gap and the arcs across with out the dam glass ;-) what ever next, so electrons just slows the dam flow down mumbles young Tesla as he secretly chuckles away to him self !
Struth Shela where did you find that ?
Quote from: AlienGrey on January 18, 2016, 09:21:23 AM
What so you mean the electron doesn't exist, so why did they use glass between old tram line over head wires, what's that it saturates because the energy runs between the cables and in glass says Young Eric D yea! some one cries then mumbles till it saturates just like the gap and the arcs across with out the dam glass ;-) what ever next, so electrons just slows the dam flow down mumbles young Tesla as he secretly chuckles away to him self !
Struth Shela where did you find that ?
Ummmm. What's the actual question? If it is the first few words of your post then NO, they do not exist as traveling in our wires and no they do not exist as covering our atoms.
Imagine, all atoms covered with electrons, you, me, our wires, our food, our air, our ground, we then never touched anything but electrons. So your finger should just be zapped each time you touch anything. So we should be able to use calcium in our wires instead of copper. Do we?
OK, when something does not make sense looking at it forwards, let's look at it backwards. Why do atoms have such a variety of nuclei. What's the use when the outer electrons are doing all the work of our effects. May as well say the nuclei is a dummy former for electron migration. That's what they want you to think man. Keep that idea in mind and we will continue to be the great powerless bozos we are today.
wattsup
Hmm! but can you afford the bus fair down to Golders Green London where Atoms garden shed is ;) their Atom can control things hide the 'Nov 5th Banger's and also film it to show the rest of us ? The plasma ball should warm things up a bit (is it like a Foo Fighter, might need a fire fighter ;) while it's done ;) ) though, Sounds like an excerpt from Denis the Menace to me.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 17, 2016, 08:20:58 PM
MR gray !
Get passed the I am so blind I cant see further than your nose nonsense ! You know perfectly well what I mean ! And I do not wish to detail the laser ...
I have one of these transformers in fact I have 3 different types but they are all very dangerous in the wrong hands like the hands of men that have a taste for guns ect ect ect .....
Its not just what you can do with them its what can happen to them over a period of time ! All these coil type generators are the same in that way and its to late now as they are soon to be everywhere ....
Would you like a device that you can point at water and the water explodes ? Salt water will just combust and you can shot down a passenger airline with it ? No ! Down the road from me there was 2 Islamic terrorists who had a bomb factory in there kitchen ! They were a second phase after 7/11 here in the UK ...
when you can fully adjust HZ to infinity and amps and volts the power laser gets smaller and smaller ..... ! The road ahead with this is going to be a hard pill to swallow !....... And the OU will soon be promoting them like sweats in a shop but there already on the net and its not coming with a warning like the one I am giving it .
This is a very lethal technology ............... far worse than a machine gun or a 1000 pound bomb !!! its very bad shit !!!
Err not me squire the only free energy I'm using is a pile of solar Pannels on me garden shed, don't suppose you know where i can get a 500w one the size of an A4 ? ;), didn't think so!
Quote from: wattsup on January 18, 2016, 08:31:51 AM
@CycleGuy
Yes I know it sounds crazy and I know you cannot think this way and I know even more. This is indeed encouraging because it shows I have to be very careful in the way I am exposing SC. Please remember that we are talking about something that for all intents is counter our present construct so of course there will be
enormous chasms of counter-logic.
The main basis is this. What you are referring to in most cases are effects of action at a distance. One action occurs at point A and we receive a corresponding action at point B. I one case is your photon. You produce an energy at point A and receive an energy at point B and it is only human nature to think that between points A and B there needs to be a transfer of something for this to occur. Something has to travel from point A to point B for point B to respond.
This is where we have basically decided to complicate our lives to unlimited levels. In SC point A creates an atomic change and point B simply sees that change. It does not need a photon to travel from point A to then tell point B "Hey, something just happening at point A". Point B can see this because its atomic nature permits it to turn towards that energy source that is sees as being a new gravity source. You see that turn as a glitch on your monitor and understand it to be the effect of a traveling signal, a traveling photon, a traveling electron. We as our base nature need to fill in the gaps for things to make sense at our level so for us to abdicate any further correlations, we prefer to keep the invisible travel mode alive.
Even Einstien could not really understand action at a distance (3AD), and it is our inability to understand 3AD that is one main crux in how we work out logical explanations of our effects. Every time a coils pulses and another coil picks up that pulse, automatically there has to be something in between. The field is our automatic response. But what if the copper atoms in the pick up coil have the ability to respond on their own because that it their nature because the atomic make up permits nucleic spin (or slight turning) and what if that turning, as slight as it may be or as extreme as it can be is conveyed from one nucleus in the copper to next nucleus down the line to your monitor showing this wave form. Then there is no more field involved since there is no need for a field to be involved.
You can produce empirical data for every known effect. You can take that data and summarize 3AD as being action A produces a field that sends out its field fingers in all directions and luckily touches point B that responds with a glitch on the monitor. You can take that same effect and understand that point B just sees it without any in between action required. This puts all the responsibility or all the abilities of the effect hence all the onus on the atom itself. This is where we as OUers doing research in electrical effects have been blinded by a field being the cause of our effects. That is were we are going wrong and that is what is holding us back from realizing OU devices.
Unfortunately for me, any construct at this level has to agree with everything else out there and I understand this and accept it only because the final present will be a better understanding of how to produce OU devices, devices which will not resemble our devices of today because we presently build things based on field effects and electron flow and not because the effects are simply seen via SC.
I am not disputing empirical data because that is the cornerstone of our technical prowess, that is to produce effect and measure their reactions. The debate is on how you understand that data. You can decide that the field is in between and live and grow and even prosper. No problem. But there has to be a price to pay if we are wrong and one of those prices we are paying now is living in a world without OU. That price for me is to high and my orientation is to see why we are paying such a high price, and, from what I can see, the construct of our effects is the reason, not the data.
So I will try to respond to your comments in bold and see where that goes.
I started my first draft a few years before but officially on November of 2010. At that time it was a fledgling idea with basic notions that I started to put into real life comparisons using EE on my bench and realizing that what EE says is not exactly the case. During the process, things required fine tuning which I did and put them back into the critical meat grinder, threw away the fat and kept working on the lean parts so today I would say it is 70% ready, but I cannot wait any longer and will put it out soon, complete or incomplete. Why? Because my only real motivation in all of this is to help OUers work their devices better but soon realized this cannot be quarantined to OU alone. Unfortunately this touches everything and because of that, many years have past. More then I wanted.
Our time is running out and if this rock should blow, I need to get this out to as many people as possible so it is in our hands for the next round of man from dark age to technology movement. I really fear a worldwide calamity is about to occur and this will make man start over and if we can start over with SC, this time around the results for man will be better then they are now with this one world crap and organized academic and banking world crime syndicates running the planet like it was an open cash register. I fear that I and most of us will not be here to see it, but for me, it is a chance for the future humans to change their course and work with the atom instead of dreaming with the field. Hmmmmm Not bad, I'll have to keep that last line handy. hahahaha
Maybe one other question for you. If you could eliminate everything notion that is related to action at a distance, how much of present notions of science would disappear? So if that could be replaced with "direct influence" it would not change the science or the data but how many notions would disappear. Then, I would ask, is it better to advance with a backpack weighing 100 pounds or one weighing 10 pounds when both provide the same level of survival? hehehe
One more. If you wanted to control the world, you will quickly realize you need to push the world in the wrong direction so you are the only one smart enough to know everything, would you maybe invent a notion of fictitious fields and electrons and have people believing in this and then just sit back and say "As long as the field and the electron are involved, I know that no one will ever discover or reach OU and therefore, the state of our stranglehold remains secure". Just look at it from all angles man. How can you advance on a need to know basis? You can't. You will just be treading water year after year and you will be no closer to the shore. This is our life right now just treading around in circles dependent on top academia to throw out a few useless bones for us to suck on while we continue treading more.
wattsup
So what you're saying in effect is that the QVZPE field doesn't exist (despite it being known about for 111 years and empirically, experimentally proven many times), that atoms are somehow able to affect each other without any means of transference of energy mediating that transference, and that your hobby theory is merely an offshoot of Wheelerism, but unlike Wheeler having merely stripped out electrons from the universal tally sheet, you've wiped out everything that isn't matter. Therefore, your universe can be proven to be impossible to have ever come into existence by the very rules of your universe that you promote, and couldn't work in any case.
Tell me, what is electromagnetic radiation? Remember, in your universe, there are no massless entities (photons, etc.). So in explaining radiation per the rules of your universe, you'll have to account for all radiation effects without utilizing massless entities.
Why does acoustic radiation (sound) require a medium to mediate it (an atmosphere to transmit the force of the acoustic radiation), whereas in your universe, electromagnetic radiation doesn't require mediation? Or does sound travel through a vacuum in your universe? It must, per the rules of your hobby universe, as nothing is required to mediate energy transfer.
So you've Wheelerized Wheelerism... whereas Wheeler was wrong but attempting to reconcile his hobby theory's universe with reality, you chuck all of reality out the window and simply state that mere assertion of the rules of your universe makes them true.
Quote from: wattsup on January 18, 2016, 08:31:51 AM
You have rock atoms at the surface of Earth. During the night all those atoms have their nuclei pointing down to the Earth Core (EC) because they all know that there is one big gravity force some 3000 miles down. At sunrise, those nuclei now see a new gravity source so they start turning towards it but the force is weak so they start oscillating between the EC and the Suns position. At noon, with the sun overhead, the nuclei are really starting to Sway pointing almost upwards then falling back again to EC and this oscillation is so strong that the atoms heat up enough that you can burn your feet or even boil an egg on the rock surface. As the sun now starts its sunset, the nuclei are now in a lower oscillation and things start to cool down and during the night they can rest till tomorrow simply content on looking again at the EC.
Who knew? Clouds are gravity shields. ::)
I think I saw that poster in a head shop in 1973. It was under a black light. lol
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 18, 2016, 06:42:38 PM
Mile high I am not that old son hahahaha
Its real all right and yes I invented it ! But be warned it can power up a Saturn 5 rocket with just hot water but the gas will need to be super cooled before combustion ... It also check mates this daft nonsense about there is no electron as electron drift as the electron bonds do in fact drift out weakening the bond of water to almost zero point !
It can power a train a ship a lorry a plane but don't put it your car unless you want it to fly hahahahaha ! I have just received some interesting inventions that have come in from someone who has a lot of talent and we will all now be looking at a launch date for technologies in to the global market !
All we need now is a wear house to stock up the parts and open to market ....... !!!
THE GOAL IS THE MOON AND BACK ! Than test drive the warp 9 anti matter dynamic plasma drive !!! AND ITS ALL REAL !!! NASA IS NOW OUT DATED !!!
LOL X
It's been out dated since the 1950's when two craft crashed, if you look hard enough on youtube you will find stuff on how they work and a blue print.
A use for your 'Negative' zero point energy !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXyQ92SPWds
Personally i cant see them letting you go to the moon, you would see what they been up to then ;)!
they soon put a stop to Richard Branson and his idea.
Whats the ware house for, install some growing lights, power them of the zero point generator and grow our own food that's free from toxic wast that's been 'passed ' by the government ? sounds great ! think its called the Venus project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFks9A9TCF0
Oh I have an idea what this is is it a toroid made of plastic and uses 3 6 9 based math and has 3 winding's a Taurus ?
Need more information !
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 18, 2016, 07:54:03 PM
0K gentleman I HAVE A VERY HIGH POWERED WARP DRIVE TYECHNOLOGY !! WHO AMOUNG YOU ARE WILLING TO SWITCH IT ON >>>> ??? ??
You can build on in 1 hour .......... It evacuates all the zero point mass from one coil and sends it to another coil ! Its costs £60 to make hahahahaha
Its can also produce a massive plasma blast if you really want to go even faster say warp 9 ....... But the first stage is just 12v DC 1 AMP !!!!!!!
Its also a very powerful monopole EMF and it can convert a basic petrol generator into a free energy generator with a very special transformer and a magnetic piston ect .........
We now have zero gravity field flux so just add the warp drive and lets go race these aliens with stars and strips and the union jack ..................
The cost for our first craft £10 000 ,,,,,,, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO COME GET IT THAN !!!!!! COST TO NASA $20 000 000 !!!!!!And they will bite your hands off hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahah
COME ON LETS ROCK THE WATTS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH FOR REAL !!!!!!!!!!!
If I can build it in one hour for £60, why can't YOU make it yourself and demonstrate it?
I know why... and so do you.
It is because YOU CANNOT. Your fantasies are just that: fantasies, without any connection to reality.
QuoteHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
What's that, the braying of a donkey who has stepped in his own crap?
"I HAVE A VERY HIGH POWERED WARP DRIVE TYECHNOLOGY !! "
"Only I know how to operate the bubble and the unified field oscillator"
"they don't truly understand space fabric like I do"
"But ive perfected it !"
"I have given you to much for free already"
Only facts/time will tell element93rd, talk is cheap :P. But sadly, I am betting my money that your are just a looney :P. You know why I always ask people how an air conditioning works? Because it is very elementary regarding understanding more deeper stuff like e=mc2 ...IF people CANNOT understand the HVAC process, NOR CAN FIX ONE< then the helll I am going to believe they know anything way more complex! Lol
Soo...having said that...answer me the following:
1 – how do you repair an HVAC unit?
2 – how do you repair a computer?
3 – how do you epoxy under water?
4 – how do you repair an automobile engine?
5 – [the most simple stuff], how do you replace a circuit breaker in your house?
If you CANNOT answer all of those with 100% accuracy, I CANNOT TAKE YOU SERIOUS PLAIN AND SIMPLE! Why? Because you need more knowledge than that to operate a UFO craft!!!
Now, lets hear you answer my 5 questions as best as possible that you can, element93rd?
Profitis, allow your dad element93rd to answer first...you go play with your gameboy. :)
Quote from: TinselKoala on January 18, 2016, 11:08:38 PM
If I can build it in one hour for £60, why can't YOU make it yourself and demonstrate it?
I know why... and so do you.
It is because YOU CANNOT. Your fantasies are just that: fantasies, without any connection to reality.
What's that, the braying of a donkey who has stepped in his own crap?
die Luftzeichen, Kopf in den Wolken ;)
Quote from: CycleGuy on January 18, 2016, 05:03:07 PM
Who knew? Clouds are gravity shields. ::)
I like this sense of humor. It is challenging. Something like chess and your tone is like someone just made a checkmate. Not quit my friend.
Like I said such answers are there you just need to work it out. With the proper reflection, you will find it and you will see that the data will match as well.
The rock is also the cloud. The cloud does the same thing as the rock at sunrise, noon and sunset except that they are not anchored so the total atoms are involved and at night they also rest. When the cloud is there it's shadow is like the first layer of the rock so the actual first layer of the rock becomes the second layer of the rock even though it's the surface. When the cloud is thicker it acts like more layers of the rock and the rock acts like the 3rd, 4th, 5th ,6th ,7th layer of rock so they are cooler. Kind of hard to explain this quickly but you could integrate this into a system and compare the surface temp data - hehehe. They respond to gravity as well as their own inter atomic gravity within themselves and this creates what????????? Spin and spin creates what, more spin and soon enough even the air atoms are now spinning as well until they are so fast that they create what? Thunderful.
But better still. I am sure such a deeper line of investigation with SC would lead to anti-gravity.
As for QVZPE, if I can look at the past and progress to today, if QVZPE has been around since 111 years, where the F are the OU devices? So something is definitely wrong and I will not fix it. Just don't have the time. When SC is out, if they want to use it to fix their ideas, be my guest. But you can pursue it by all means. Let me know where you are in a few more years. I mean they are only years that pass by. Nothing important, just another life looking into QVZPE over 111 years, let's make it 112, just great. I could say more but it is NOT IMPORTANT right now.
Anyone working on OU device development in a commercial or donational way will always want a way to talk about where the energy is coming from so some decided to call it QVZPE, others call it Ether, others call it Quackery, while others want to handcuff it as the boson. Boson, Bozo names will only be names. If I looked into it further with SC, I could explain the effect especially if conductive atoms are involved in excitation or sensors taking down data. You can't get away from SC man. If the data produced is good, the construct, SC could explain it. SC is not your run of the mill construct ma'man. This is big. With SC, the world around you will come to life in its atomic wonder while others will still be scratching their heads with this QVZPE. But go for it if it does it for you.
SC will explain so many effects it just makes me cry sometimes because I know I will never be able to see it all. It's just way to big for one furt ass like me, I know. It's way to big so this is why it is very important that I be able to put this down as right as possible. It's just too big. I really think this will be the new basis. And I'm the guy that invented Wire X so don't worry, I have a habit of checking and rechecking and rechecking again to a very high level of logic. I'm just flabbergasted when I think to hard about it so I have to calm down.
wattsup
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 19, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
! I have a half moon in my right hand ! If you can find out what that means than you will finally know who I am !
I knew it!! You are Islamist! And you are looking for money to sponsor your comrades in Syria. This explain your hate to Putin- the only one who really fights against IS.
:D Take it easy ;)
I think we are looking at this from the wrong set of terms. Instead of Magnetic Vortex, how about Spin Connection Resonance:
http://www.aias.us/documents/uft/a74thpaper.pdf
Hope you did well at math in school, you're going to need it.
Element 93 and the strange stuff would be Aquarius and it had a co ruler Saturn, Saturn use to be called Satan by the Romans, But that would suggest the Scientist thing, but i don't follow Dogs reckoning as it contradicts many other things, so still out on the half moon thing. Didn't some Hindu god had some Marking of something like that on his right hand Shiva ?
Great Atommix93rdAtom1! You reached the performance of another two persons here on this forum which have now a place of honor in my ignore list. Hope you will appreciate this and will stop polluting this topic.
You will need to give us more info than that to help out or join in !
Err is it supposed to sound like this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cPEchNTSE0
Quote from: wattsup on January 19, 2016, 08:57:09 AM
I like this sense of humor. It is challenging. Something like chess and your tone is like someone just made a checkmate. Not quit my friend.
Like I said such answers are there you just need to work it out. With the proper reflection, you will find it and you will see that the data will match as well.
The rock is also the cloud. The cloud does the same thing as the rock at sunrise, noon and sunset except that they are not anchored so the total atoms are involved and at night they also rest. When the cloud is there it's shadow is like the first layer of the rock so the actual first layer of the rock becomes the second layer of the rock even though it's the surface. When the cloud is thicker it acts like more layers of the rock and the rock acts like the 3rd, 4th, 5th ,6th ,7th layer of rock so they are cooler. Kind of hard to explain this quickly but you could integrate this into a system and compare the surface temp data - hehehe. They respond to gravity as well as their own inter atomic gravity within themselves and this creates what????????? Spin and spin creates what, more spin and soon enough even the air atoms are now spinning as well until they are so fast that they create what? Thunderful.
But better still. I am sure such a deeper line of investigation with SC would lead to anti-gravity.
As for QVZPE, if I can look at the past and progress to today, if QVZPE has been around since 111 years, where the F are the OU devices? So something is definitely wrong and I will not fix it. Just don't have the time. When SC is out, if they want to use it to fix their ideas, be my guest. But you can pursue it by all means. Let me know where you are in a few more years. I mean they are only years that pass by. Nothing important, just another life looking into QVZPE over 111 years, let's make it 112, just great. I could say more but it is NOT IMPORTANT right now.
Anyone working on OU device development in a commercial or donational way will always want a way to talk about where the energy is coming from so some decided to call it QVZPE, others call it Ether, others call it Quackery, while others want to handcuff it as the boson. Boson, Bozo names will only be names. If I looked into it further with SC, I could explain the effect especially if conductive atoms are involved in excitation or sensors taking down data. You can't get away from SC man. If the data produced is good, the construct, SC could explain it. SC is not your run of the mill construct ma'man. This is big. With SC, the world around you will come to life in its atomic wonder while others will still be scratching their heads with this QVZPE. But go for it if it does it for you.
SC will explain so many effects it just makes me cry sometimes because I know I will never be able to see it all. It's just way to big for one furt ass like me, I know. It's way to big so this is why it is very important that I be able to put this down as right as possible. It's just too big. I really think this will be the new basis. And I'm the guy that invented Wire X so don't worry, I have a habit of checking and rechecking and rechecking again to a very high level of logic. I'm just flabbergasted when I think to hard about it so I have to calm down.
wattsup
So clouds
are gravity shields, according to your hobby theory. According to your theory, rain would fall upward, or at the very least would exhibit a variable level of gravity and thus gravitational acceleration, and thus a variable free-fall speed, depending upon the height of the cloud from which that rain is falling and thus the amount of gravity the total column of rain is blocking... your theory is even Whackier Than Wheelerism.
Now you'll have to account in your hobby theory for the Lamb Shift, a direct result of electron interaction with the QVZPE field... or just deny it, as you've denied the difference in mass of a proton and neutron and everything that isn't mass, thereby erasing the majority of the universe.
Just so you know, and quite ironically, inducing a synthetic inverse Lamb shift via Casimir Effect is one way of extracting QVZPE without any penalty of having to pay back that energy, and without the energetic cost of extracting it... you simply artificially lower QVZPE field density locally, which lowers electron orbitals of a noble gas inside that artificially-lowered QVZPE field density environment, causing that noble gas to give off photons which are captured and converted to electricity or heat. Once the noble gas exits that artificially-lowered QVZPE field density environment, it absorbs energy from the QVZPE field to return electron orbitals to their normal states, rinse and repeat. There are two methods of lowering QVZPE field density artificially... inside a well-shielded Casimir Cavity, or using specially designed magnetic flux paths (given that magnetism stresses the QVZPE field density, contracting or dilating space-time depending upon which magnetic interface you're considering).
And just so you know, the Lamb shift provides a very precise measurement of the fine structure constant and thus a powerful corroboration of Quantum Mechanics... the fine structure constant, which is exactly what your hobby theory denies exists. It's been known about for 100 years, and experimentally, empirically proven many, many times.
The above is what comes about from a deep understanding of the underlying fundamentals of how the universe works... one of the methods is patented and empirically, experimentally proven. Your hobby universe will never result in anything of the sort because it's even more FUBAR than Wheelerism.
You'll have to also account for magnetism itself... or weren't you aware that magnetism is an observed effect as a result of length contraction of the QVZPE field, the QVZPE field being the fabric of space-time? In your world, electromagnetic radiation could not exist, magnetism could not exist, light could not exist, time could not exist... the universe could not exist.
@CycleGuy
What are you talking about? You obviously did not read my post otherwise you would not have posted such a piece of crap insults.
I told you already about QVZPE. If it involves conductive exciters or sensors I can work it out with SC.
Incredibly, what I gave you touches upon so many effects but if you prefer to waddle away in your QVZPE, good luck. Ask them the same questions you asked me and wait for their answers.
wattsup
Quote from: wattsup on January 19, 2016, 03:31:55 PM
@CycleGuy
What are you talking about? You obviously did not read my post otherwise you would not have posted such a piece of crap insults.
I told you already about QVZPE. If it involves conductive exciters or sensors I can work it out with SC.
Incredibly, what I gave you touches upon so many effects but if you prefer to waddle away in your QVZPE, good luck. Ask them the same questions you asked me and wait for their answers.
wattsup
Ask whom? The proponents of Quantum Mechanics? I have, they've answered cogently with mathematically corroborated replies which reflect underlying reality.
You've denied reality and dismissed things which refute your hobby theory, all while expounding upon a hobby theory that is so easily disproved even a child could do it by merely asking you to explain the universal gravitational constant in relation to your hobby theory... or asking, if clouds are gravity shields as you purport, why, for instance, cirrostratus clouds above lower altostratus clouds above lower stratocumulus clouds don't just float off the planet... or asking why, if one is in a tall building, the "gravity shielding" you purport occurs from all that material on the floors above and below one's location doesn't affect one's weight from floor to floor... or asking why clouds are able to effectively block gravity so much that the atoms of the rocks below don't swing wildly back and forth between the sun's gravity and the earth's gravity, thus heating up, as you purport happens as means of your getting around denying massless entities and thus photons and thus light, yet the clouds don't heat up so much the moisture in those clouds dissipates... or why, if one is on a submarine at depth, one's weight doesn't change with changing depth if all that water above and below is acting as a gravity shield (remember, you've stated clouds are gravity shields, and clouds are water... so seawater or lake water should be an even more effective gravity shield, right?)... so many examples that disprove the Wheelerization of Wheelerism that constitutes your hobby theory... none of which you can explain, let alone back up with mathematics.
And you'll have to further contend with the fact that researchers have now photographed the electron and the virtual photon flux that constitutes magnetism:
http://www.dvice.com/archives/2011/08/this_is_an_imag.php
http://io9.com/the-first-image-ever-of-a-hydrogen-atoms-orbital-struc-509684901
https://youtu.be/ofp-OHIq6Wo
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17983-magnetricity-observed-for-first-time.html
And you'll have to further contend with the fact that researchers at Chalmers University concretized virtual photons straight from the QVZPE field using Dynamical Casimir Effect:
https://www.chalmers.se/en/news/Pages/Chalmers-scientists-create-light-from-vacuum.aspx
Remember, your hobby theory denies the existence of anything that doesn't have mass... so no QVZPE field, no photons and most especially no virtual photons. Do you even know what "virtual" means in this context?
Your hobby theory is unworkable, it cannot reflect reality, as even a grade-school child could ascertain. I'll leave you to deal with the personal repercussions of your acceptance of that reality... but just know that eventually you will be required to acknowledge that reality. The only question, really, is how many years of your life you're going to waste denying that reality.
Quote from: Acca on January 18, 2016, 07:41:49 AM
Will the REAL clow(s) stand UP>>>>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Ahh.. It Tinsel Koala and the missing Brain Tinman...clown....
Oh Ah....It's a freak show again here in by the two clowns ...
"As the Tinsel Koala clown said to the Tinman clown....!!!"
"Of course he is! I enjoy the clown shows at the circus, don't you? Every time they have a pratfall, we all laugh. When they go walking about in their huge shoes, with that big red rubber ball nose, it's hilarious! And that's what this clown is doing, over and over, with every post he makes.":
and
"Why even bother arguing with this clown.
He is all dribble and no action."
And
Tinsel cclown said:
"Now you're frothing at the mouth! You should speak to your doctor... you really need to have your medications adjusted, before your brain dissolves and starts running out your earholes!
Try holding your breath, stomping your feet and spinning around in a circle until you fall down! That's so much easier, and more effective, than PROVING YOUR CLAIMS -- which you cannot do, since they are all just figments of your overheated imagination."
Haa ha ha... now that is really funnnneeeeeeyyy.....
Acca..
Ps...
it's the poor and the weak from the evil clowns here...[/font]
Ah-so 93rd dose have a brother.
It is great that you have found something to occupy your self with,but sad to see that !!like your brother -93rd! you too were starved of oxygen at birth.
But chin up old chap,as even window lickers have there usefulness ;)
My current ignore list. I simply don't have the time nor the inclination to set right those who insist on scurrying through the brambles of odd theories, rather than embracing reality.
Acca - a combination of proud Wheelerism booster and insulting troll. Utterly incapable of contributing anything of value whatsoever because he's so intent on following in the footstomping footsteps of his mentor. :-\
Joel321 - more than a little dimwitted, attempts to bolster his image by dragging others down with his inane and childlike requests that others justify their existence before he'll deign to insult them further... then he insults them further. "How do you fix an HVAC system?" indeed. "Well, I walks up to it, puts my gauge doohickey on it, pumps some of that there Freons in it, and that generally put her right." would likely be an acceptable answer for Joel321. Which malfunctioning component of the HVAC system, exhibiting what symptoms and under which circumstances? Joel321 doesn't like specifics, that'd prove he doesn't know, either. :P
wattsup - promotes a hobby theory that is Whackier Than Wheelerism, something along the lines of "there is only matter, nothing else. Thus, because energy transfer doesn't require mediation, sound can travel through a vacuum. Daytime is hotter than nighttime because all the molecules are wildly swinging between the gravity of Earth and that of the sun, unless clouds are present. Clouds are gravity shields." ::)
Atommix93rdAtom1 - obviously either insane or a very unadept conman attempting to get money to build fantastical devices, none of which he's demonstrated nor even provided a mathematical framework for, unless you count as "mathematical proof" wall posters of MS Paint artwork conglomerating bits and pieces of theories to support his contentions, and a two-page base-9 "new math" fiddling in which he doesn't properly close out equations and randomly switches numbers around to arrive at whatever answer he wants. :o
Start to warm up the seat in your UFO ;)
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 19, 2016, 09:07:59 PM
Mathematical reality is that all mathematics are completely pointless until the time you need them !
Study this human
Would you question it or except it ? The lines of flux are north to south east to west ! Show me a magnet that can do that ? Only the laws of harmonics can do that ! And until you learn what they are and what they do you will always be wrong about everything ...
Yes it's like the Rodin torus it will do mono pole no problem. but your drawing is a little different
CycleGuy trying to explain abstract concepts using other abstract concepts which in their turn are founded on the bunch of abstract concepts, without even sensing the humor of the situation is not a good sign.
You accumulate serious knowledge but still don't sense the circular thinking of current so called science, regardless of what branch we talk about. And still don't have the courage to ask the fundamental bricks of the science. Only after you will make this step will begin to sense a glimpse of the great veil.
The images you make reference is just a way to define something we call electron or photons, only one way from infinite other potential ways if you choose other comparative references to start the analysis and interpretation. No one ever filmed, photographed or seen an electron or a photon. Both of them are only resultant effect of specific interactions of various fields, result for which we defined specific characteristics and call it matter. So, no one will manage sometime to see an electron (or any other of what we now call elementary particle) as it has no concrete reality rather than all that attributed by us. Or with Tesla's words "Ether is the cause of every magnetic field. Electricity could not exist without the Ether. Ether is the medium for all EM waves from radio to gamma..." or with Ken's words "Space is the posterior attribute of fields".
Atom, You know how to make me lough for all day :) Thanks! :)
What is so hard on teleportation of water?? F... simple. Actually on this principle works my Free energy device. Come out with something more interesting. ;)
Atom uranus93
Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel ? A device was built to do this in new mexico it used high voltage static in order to shift time and space, where do you think the idea of the film the fly came from, their is a word that will unlock all the info on this device, but if you want to be arsey (Disingenuous, petty and aggressive behaviour focusing personal criticism (or withholding praise) in order to cause pain /discomfort despite having no genuine concern about the specific issues addressed – the object being rather to aggress the person or people concerned for some other reason than those given, or to simply vent aggression the cause of which has nothing to do with them. Often involves sarcasm and / or nit-picking.) find it for your self. ;)
Your free energy device, what does it use for fuel ?
Quote from: sadang on January 20, 2016, 02:41:29 AM
CycleGuy trying to explain abstract concepts using other abstract concepts which in their turn are founded on the bunch of abstract concepts, without even sensing the humor of the situation is not a good sign.
You accumulate serious knowledge but still don't sense the circular thinking of current so called science, regardless of what branch we talk about. And still don't have the courage to ask the fundamental bricks of the science. Only after you will make this step will begin to sense a glimpse of the great veil.
The images you make reference is just a way to define something we call electron or photons, only one way from infinite other potential ways if you choose other comparative references to start the analysis and interpretation. No one ever filmed, photographed or seen an electron or a photon. Both of them are only resultant effect of specific interactions of various fields, result for which we defined specific characteristics and call it matter. So, no one will manage sometime to see an electron (or any other of what we now call elementary particle) as it has no concrete reality rather than all that attributed by us. Or with Tesla's words "Ether is the cause of every magnetic field. Electricity could not exist without the Ether. Ether is the medium for all EM waves from radio to gamma..." or with Ken's words "Space is the posterior attribute of fields".
An electron is matter, it has rest mass. It is a "mass defect" in the QVZPE field, it rejects QVZPE field modes longer than its radius, just as all matter does... that's what gives it its mass, it's traded relativistic mass and energy for rest mass. It is permanent, it doesn't subsume back into the QVZPE field.
So referring to matter as a "wave" or as "specific interactions of various fields" is a conflation that doesn't work, unless you know of any "waves" that can get stuck in position... especially considering that matter doesn't constitute a "wave" at all, it constitutes a "dent" in the fabric of space-time... remember, that's how the effect we know as gravity works. Taken to its extreme, a black hole shows that this "dent" is a raising of the entropic properties of a region of space-time... black holes are highly entropic.
In effect, matter is an attempt by the universe to reach its true entropic "ground state", whereas the QVZPE field is an energetic field above this ground high-entropy state. There are two methods by which the universe increases entropy... expansion and concretization of mass. Time is nothing more than the observed differential between entropic states of a certain space of space-time.
The Hawking-Bekenstein entropy formulation:
S = 4π k/ђc GM
2along with what has been called the Mass-Boom Effect:
Mc
2 – GM
2 /R = 0
means that for mass to form, entropy must increase.
Thus, mass is a higher-entropy form, whereas the QVZPE field is a lower-entropy form, and the energy traversing the QVZPE field is an even lower entropy form. If this were not so, the QVZPE field could not impart its energy level to matter to keep electrons from falling below their 1s orbitals. That's why it is said that the QVZPE field underpins the stability of all matter.
Massless entities constitute waves upon the QVZPE field... but note that you can slam two photons together and create a "dent" in space-time that makes electrons... in essence turning energy into a more entropic form.
Relativistic mass constitutes a "damping" of the energetic perturbations that are massless entities (photons, virtual photons, etc.), pulling that wave or energetic perturbation closer to the midpoint delineating mass and massless that we know as the QVZPE field. This has been experimentally proven by firing photons through a reduced QVZPE field density environment... their apparent speed exceeded c... they were "riding higher" above the plane of the QVZPE field and were thus less affected by it... they maintained a lower entropy.
Are you saying no one has ever filmed, photographed or seen any other matter because it's "specific interactions of various fields"? That'd be a bit nonsensical, don't you think?
In point of fact, the Max Planck Institute of Quantum Optics has developed an attosecond laser that does let them "photograph" an electron. In further point of fact, the photons concretized from the QVZPE field by Chalmers University were captured on camera, and researchers have the ability to capture and "photograph" single photons now.
Capturing photons is kind of how cameras work, after all... so your saying no one has ever captured a photon on camera doesn't make much sense, now does it?
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 20, 2016, 12:38:02 PM
Mr gray
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Mr gray
YOUR WORDS ! Disingenuous, petty and aggressive behaviour focusing personal criticism ! is this not what you keep doing ? In fact is it not what 90% of every one here is doing ? I don't do it I just hit the ball back harder than the under arm throw it was given to me .... ( Sarcasm is a form of aggression yes, I don't believe I have insulted you at all, added a bit of humour perhaps, when you say one thing and do another yes, but not let us exaggerate here or misled others in our quest for fame).
/Mexico/ ? I don't think so ! The only man I know that can truly teleport water is me ! You have to convert it into photons or and equal harmonic mass and energy of the photon ... And you don't use static ! The periodic harmonic fuzz box I have presented is the only way, you set it up place a coil around the cup and than to a negative charge coil and its just than the standard photon tele porter approach ..... Now as you or no other human on this rock has no idea how to negatively charge a coil but me than I can confirm its never been done ! FACT ! (Sit your self down and watch this video all the way through [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TttHkDRuyZw#t=7704 }watch this video ! ( New Mexico )
I offered you this magic coil and you insulted me in return ! WHY ? Than you bonce around shouting I don't present any of my technology yet I have give 5 of my best for free !!! What have you given ?? ( I added a bit of comedy as you said you liked humour ;) and any way , you now have the floor as your saying all the known technology we are allegedly discussing is totally dangerous but you have given us nothing else to investigate, have you ?)
I present the method but left the important thing out just to see how you guys tick but a tick with out the tock is a clock that is stuck ! FACT ! yeh yeah vey have ways in makin you tok!, the old ones are the best ;)
My motive is one of DEFENCE ! In my country some years ago 12 bodies were found with there skin removed and organs taken out by some UFO activity in some of our national parks ! But these were 12 found and the information was strongly suppressed but was leaked out by a member of the SAS ...... FACT !
( You live in Wales ???, look on Richplanet.net for the real facts. http://www.richplanet.net/ )
Did you know there are hundreds now confirmed missing from just the USA national parks ? And the same here and the world over ? No well you do now ! In some of the cases the national security agencies even had advanced warning prior to these events happening ...... What does that say ? (it says the aliens are lizards and they say the drink human brain and spial fluid as a beverage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsBIkhwCNVA
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 20, 2016, 12:38:02 PM
I have my personal experiences and some shared with others ! There is one man that was brought to me who had 4 implants imbedded into his back emitting strong electrical signals and if you tried to touch them the man would suffer a lot of pain ! He was abducted by aliens at a time when was in special forces !
Do you find this funny sir ? One of the bodies found was of a young boy of 8 years old ! SKIND ALIVE ! ........ Are you laughing now ? I can take you to a house where a real DEMON lives and he will try and kill you if you stay at that house ... I and many others are keeping a close watch of all of this activity and we find many interesting connections ..... One interesting connection is of a possible agreement between governments and aliens as some kind of deal that they help protect our air space in return for a blind eye on the other activities these aliens get up to ect ect ect .... How do you fill about that ?
I am waiting for you guys to start becoming pro active and professional but as yet all I see and read is a full state of total confusion a non demonstrable relationship over fact and fiction mixed with a pile of utter nonsense that keeps trying to change the laws of physics ! ? WHY ?
No attempt to entre the world of MUF and deliver real technologies to the people that need them or any kind of functional construct that would merit and form of real development ! In other words the OU is a goose with the golden egg that refuses to lay it ! The time has come sir to get real !
If I place this coil on the table not only can you teleport water you can also achieve warp drive and fly into space with zero G ... But all I am getting in response is envy hate jealousy doubt fear lies insults and a constant attempts of character assassination !
I am beginning to wonder if the real dangers of the world are any different than some of the people I meet here ? WHERE IS THE LOVE AND RESPECT TO YOUR MOTHER EARTH ? I don't see any ..... All I see is man eating man and men acting like a pack of dogs ! So I offer you a bone but its a type of bone you can only eat with a contract !
Why the contract well its how the protocol of a professional man is conducted except it and lets get on with the show !!! lol
[ err steady on old chap ! ]
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 19, 2016, 06:38:10 PM
Try this tin man !!
Anyone that does not have a free energy generator off grid is a dummy and knows nothing !!! That's the truth of it !!!! So how many dummy's are there here ? ALL OF YOU HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOL WOW THATS A LOT OF DUMMYS ..... HAHAHAHAHAH
Only a couple of dummies here.
1-being the dummy making all these claim's,without evidence to back it up-->and that be you 93rd.
Show us this wonderous generator in operation :D
Tinman ....
May be you could help instead of insulting calling everyone dummies here and maybe you could get some respect ...
Seems you have been brainwashed by milehigh ...
All theories are open to discussion even the one you have a problem with...
Do us a favor and Help us .....
Or get the hell out of here because you are no help it's your choice ...
Acca...
Tinman also thanks for duplicating the "magnetvortex" under water ...
seen your videos even the one with the electromagnetic coil under water..
made by me aka. Al...
Acca...
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 20, 2016, 05:33:51 AM
Anyone who disagrees with this reality is a dummy !!!
Electric Charge
The unit of electric charge is the Coulomb (abbreviated C). Ordinary matter is made up of atoms which have positively charged nuclei and negatively charged electrons surrounding them. Charge is quantized as a multiple of the electron or proton charge:
The influence of charges is characterized in terms of the forces between them (Coulomb's law) and the electric field and voltage produced by them. One Coulomb of charge is the charge which would flow through a 120 watt lightbulb (120 volts AC) in one second. Two charges of one Coulomb each separated by a meter would repel each other with a force of about a million tons!
The rate of flow of electric charge is called electric current and is measured in Amperes.
In introducing one of the fundamental properties of matter, it is perhaps appropriate to point out that we use simplified sketches and constructs to introduce concepts, and there is inevitably much more to the story. No significance should be attached to the circles representing the proton and electron, in the sense of implying a relative size, or even that they are hard sphere objects, although that's a useful first construct. The most important opening idea, electrically, is that they have a property called "charge" which is the same size, but opposite in polarity for the proton and electron. The proton has 1836 times the mass of the electron, but exactly the same size charge, only positive rather than negative. Even the terms "positive" and "negative" are arbitrary, but well-entrenched historical labels. The essential implication of that is that the proton and electron will strongly attract each other, the historical archtype of the cliche "opposites attract". Two protons or two electrons would strongly repel each other. Once you have established those basic ideas about electricity, "like charges repel and unlike charges attract", then you have the foundation for electricity and can build from there.
...... Blah.....Blah...Blah
Are you aware (or how you spell it
a wear) what plagiarism is? If you are going to Copy/Paste someone else's work at a minimum, credit the source. There is no need for your drawn out post, just post a link to this site:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elecur.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elecur.html)
.......and we can read all about it.
Please take this test:
1. How do you spell United Kingdom.
2. What does U.K. stand for.
3. What color was George Washington's white horse.
Yep, you are stupid,.............. do the aliens laugh at you like we do?
I think it sounds like Atom Uranus93 is saying he has NOT met aliens but been abducted by them, their is stuff on this planet that's millions of years old you know and it's had people trying to hide it, who knows what the truth is, it's a pity people with closed minds didn't have closed mouths, no offense intended. But i think your going to find the UFO does exist !
Quote from: AlienGrey on January 20, 2016, 08:59:44 PM
I think it sounds like Atom Uranus93 is saying he has NOT met aliens but been abducted by them, their is stuff on this planet that's millions of years old you know and it's had people trying to hide it, who knows what the truth is, it's a pity people with closed minds didn't have closed mouths, no offense intended. But i think your going to find the UFO does exist !
I firmly believe UFO's exist, but I don't believe in plagiarizing other peoples work. That's the mark of an idiot and someone who doesn't have an original thought. I am sure you would agree.
The young man would be better suited if he stuck with Harmonics. With this he does have something, I am onboard with that. It's ridiculous to call people "Dummies" when you yourself can't write a completed sentence and your spelling rivals that of a five year old.
@CycleGuy
Thank you.
That was a very good display of someone under mind control.
You can't be serious man.
Very bold.
Quote from: CycleGuy on January 19, 2016, 04:21:41 PM
Ask whom? The proponents of Quantum Mechanics? I have, they've answered cogently with mathematically corroborated replies which reflect underlying reality.
Nice try. I guess they did all that on the first day so six days left to rest. Word of advice. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
You've denied reality and dismissed things which refute your hobby theory, all while expounding upon a hobby theory that is so easily disproved even a child could do it by merely asking you to explain the universal gravitational constant in relation to your hobby theory...
There are no things because it is not out yet and I am not dismissing anything. Those are just words and acts you have invented. Yes a child like you can try but you will not succeed because again, like I said, these things take time to answer in a new construct. I realize you need the origins and they are there as well. I realize you really don't get it and this is my fault for not following a set path.
or asking, if clouds are gravity shields as you purport, why, for instance, cirrostratus clouds above lower altostratus clouds above lower stratocumulus clouds don't just float off the planet... or asking why, if one is in a tall building, the "gravity shielding" you purport occurs from all that material on the floors above and below one's location doesn't affect one's weight from floor to floor... or asking why clouds are able to effectively block gravity so much that the atoms of the rocks below don't swing wildly back and forth between the sun's gravity and the earth's gravity, thus heating up, as you purport happens as means of your getting around denying massless entities and thus photons and thus light... or why, if one is on a submarine at depth, one's weight doesn't change with changing depth if all that water above and below is acting as a gravity shield (remember, you've stated clouds are gravity shields, and clouds are water... so seawater or lake water should be an even more effective gravity shield, right?)... so many examples that disprove the Wheelerization of Wheelerism that constitutes your hobby theory... none of which you can explain, let alone back up with mathematics.
You are totally delirious. I never said anything like that. Everything you just spoke can be proven with SC.
And you'll have to further contend with the fact that researchers have now photographed the electron and the virtual photon flux that constitutes magnetism:
http://www.dvice.com/archives/2011/08/this_is_an_imag.php
http://io9.com/the-first-image-ever-of-a-hydrogen-atoms-orbital-struc-509684901
https://youtu.be/ofp-OHIq6Wo
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17983-magnetricity-observed-for-first-time.html
It is these same people who will want to use SC.
And you'll have to further contend with the fact that researchers at Chalmers University concretized virtual photons straight from the QVZPE field using Dynamical Casimir Effect:
https://www.chalmers.se/en/news/Pages/Chalmers-scientists-create-light-from-vacuum.aspx
Sorry but that's just an "illustration" you keep mixing up reality with impressionism.
Remember, your hobby theory denies the existence of anything that doesn't have mass... so no QVZPE field, no photons and most especially no virtual photons. Do you even know what "virtual" means in this context?
You can pile it on as you wish. I never said anything like what you are referring to. You are only jumping to a whole bunch of erroneous conclusions as if you new the construct better then me. You are only confirming there is much to look at. So what else is new in a new construct. I'm not the bad guy here man. Look we are only talking here. Do you think any of those guys that follow QVZPE would not want a clear and totally workable construct to explain their effects. WTF, it's still their effects and now they would have a solid basis. Do you think any of them go to sleep thinking "I hope to hell we're right". Do you think that hope is enough? Hope only keeps you hoping.
Your hobby theory is unworkable, it cannot reflect reality, as even a grade-school child could ascertain. I'll leave you to deal with the personal repercussions of your acceptance of that reality... but just know that eventually you will be required to acknowledge that reality. The only question, really, is how many years of your life you're going to waste denying that reality.
You can call it what you want. The challenge is to use SC as the base to figure all that out smart boy. Don't talk to me about unworkable. And yes right now it cannot reflect your reality, so you have trouble with it. Very normal. Sometimes you need to get sicker to get better. Sometime you need to step away from your junk yard to see the mess.
@CycleGuy
Show me were I said anything about Gravity Shield. Why should there be a gravity shield? Gravity is gravity and can only be variable with proximity. What's closer to the sun the clouds or the earth surface. Hmmmmmmm. This is your illusion and all you can do is run with it. If something was not clear, you ask for clarifications. You don't go jumping to conclusions and justify insulting people just because you misunderstood something. I also told you straight out that I am responding quickly to your questions with a brief answer just to give a run down. Of course there are other points to fill in so what else is new. The general idea is there. What you want is knowledge McDonald's style, one minute and your done. You see an article about item A and then you think you know everything there is about it. It does not work that way but for you it seems that if something does not strike your mind with an all illuminating hammer, it is a Hobby Theory or someone is denying reality. hahaha
OK, prove to me the field exists. It has to be irrefutable otherwise it will not meet your own standard right. Or is there a double standard here.
I can understand the attack mode and also that such a theory will not be received that well because it flies in the face of many present constructs. But that cannot and will not be my problem. My problem is to find a new way to work towards OU because the present 150 year junket is leading us nowhere. So where is your QVZPE OU device? Do you have one on your bench? How many watts does it output? How many questions do you think I can ask these QVZPE guys and they will not have the answer in the next minute. Hmmmmmm. Life is so great isn't it when you ride a double standard trolley.
Do you know how many years we have been on the present construct? Do you think the first "proponent" had all the answers when he first put it down on paper or even after 10 years. What do you think this is. Instant wisdom. Do you think the first guy that drew the first idea of the electron was well received? That everyone simply understood everything there was about it? Just because you read a few lines of something new, you are all of a sudden supposed to know everything there is about it and decide it's an illusion. hahaha You're the illusion.
So indirectly what you are telling me is there is no possible way the present construct could be wrong. It is infallible. It is perfect. So who is crazier, the one who sees fields all around him or the one who sees real atoms and gravity as the main responsible factors of our effects. The only two things we can really count on, and it seems they have been PURPOSELY set aside because the payoff would be to high. No no, look only at the field, consider only the electron, believe in Zero Point Energy, forget that dilapidated old atom that has no tricks up its sleeve and forget that constant and burdensome gravity and just be happy in the field, our field, not natures, our field, the one we thought up and hypnotized you with, not the one nature made. I believe. Yes I believe and will not question. I will comply. Hmmmmmm.
Or maybe tell me how many data collection devices use only a field and electrons or are there conductive atoms involved. You don't get it do you. I guess those conductive atoms are just dumb then. They are useless mass without the action of a field and an electron. They serve no purpose in our effects, only the field and the electron can do that. Wow, so the universe went to all this trouble to produce all these atoms only for them to be relegated to the bottom drawer. Hmmmm. Don't think so.
Or show me a field that exists on its own. Nothing pulsing, no energy expended, no magnet, no earth, no conductive atoms used. Not a single atom. NOTHING but a field. Wow. Make my day. How is it that the field cannot exist without the atom, but the atom can exist without the field. How is it that the electron cannot exist without the atom but the atom can exist without the electron. Why is it that every effect can be explained with the Atom and Gravity, but we only consider the field and the electron. Add em up and what do you get? I would call it monovisionism.
Casimir effect, again two atom filled conductive plates placed at micro distance apart, but no, the effect has to be outside those plates because we all know that those plates are dumb junk not worth looking at and we really want to believe in ZPE, soooooooooo, there is no way those plates can effect each other. It has to come from the QVZPE because their copper atoms sensors said so. I think it is they who need a life. They need to come down to reality. I told you, SC would explain everything about what QVZPE is doing but only if you understand SC and have the time to work it out.
So I guess you know everything. Two gravity sources cannot do anything too atoms. So I guess the "radiation belt" is due to a field as well. hahahaha. So let the QVZPE guys feed you your brain food. Give them all your confidence that they are right indeed. Close your eyes to the fact that QVZPE is in essence a marketing ploy designed to make money. Money because donations do not come in when the source of energy is not known. That is a fact of commercial OU life. The academics do not want to hear anything that is free energy. So they invent Zero Point Energy so they can now say "LOOK, IT'S NOT FREE ENERGY, THE ENERGY IS COMING FROM THE ZPE". Right or wrong they do not really care as long as the money is flowing. So what. They invent a source and bingo, the money model is secure. Use your brain man.
I have seen every image there is of atoms but who said those are electrons? Everything is ALWAYS BASED ON OUR BEST PRESENT CONSTRUCT. You are just confusing what is and why is. Tomorrow morning if Harvard announces that the field has been found to be an impostor because of that damn experiment I told you was never done, what will you say? Maybe you will say, WOW, maybe I should not jump so fast to conclusions.
You know, I was the one who started the Wire X on this forum. I'm like a real blood hound. I'll sniff it out if it takes a day, a week, a month or even years. You know how many hours of observation, investigation, logic, counter-logic was involved in those times was so tremendous. No one realizes the time it takes. People come here and bullshit their OU devices all the time and because of our dedication to OU we are required to look at everything, question everything, but one thing though, jumping to conclusions I also know about and that is embarrassing I know. It happens to everyone. Really, it makes you better and pushes you to be even more certain of covering as many angles as one human can before letting it start to sink in. You think I am crazy. hahahahaha So, maybe that's a good sign. At least you know this is different. It's like looking through 3D glasses, these are SC glasses. So you can work in Standard Model (SM), and when you want a second opinion on THE ACTUAL EFFECT, you look with SC. This is only good and shows that you are open to more then ONE MODEL. That's where your power is, by having a choice.
The Holmiun atom page you reffered. Let's see what it says "Raising the temperature can cause a holmium ion to flip the direction of its spin, creating two adjacent poles of the same type. FOR A LITTLE EXTRA ENERGY, THE FLIPPED MAGNET CAN FLIP ITS NEIGHBOR, CREATING A DOMINO EFFECT THAT RIPPLES THROUGH THE SOLID". SC all the way man. That mimics what copper does. There are six spin modes. So easy. First atoms at the end of the wire get excited and start jittering causing the next and the next down the line. Not in one direction but two (but that is secondary right now). The more they look at the true effect, the more you will find SC and the true attributes of the atom. NO FIELD OR ELECTRONS REQUIRED.
I really thought I could have some serious discussions in a constructive manner. You know, normal discussions like someone saying "Hmmmmm. I don't get it, what do you mean by this or that". NORMAL discussions, but I guess this is again asking to much. hahaha
You want to play with electrons, go ahead. Tell me where the electron energy comes from and also, tell me who is driving those electrons around and around and around. He should be in the Grand Prix. Tell me how th electron is ductile, fluid, gas, solid, liquid, electricity and everything else in between.
SC Theory does have an outer shell model but I am leaving this open because the action of the nucleus for me is where the real action is. The construct also has the energy source of that outer shell. In SC the outer shell has enough to do being the interface, the bonding, the ductility, the liquidity, the gas, the has enough to be hot, cold and everywhere in between, the outer solidifies the structure, the inner conveys the action.
I always had, even as a young man, a real problem when I was thinking about the simple light bulb. How is it that electrons, if they travel in one direction, start at one end, hit the bulb and while the bulb is almost in plasma, the electron is still capable of continuing on the the negative side. Now I know. The outer holds the matrix fast even when hot and the inner was doing all the electricity conveyance. You really don't get this do you. I know thousands who will very quickly understand this one paragraph. hahaha
I want to make nuclei dance. So my tactics will be different then yours and we will see who comes up with the smallest OU device possible so it is not hard to figure out and copy so anyone can make it. This is Overunity.com. My construct is really concentrating on this end of it even though it involves everything else, I will leave it to others to meld with it. I just want OU man. After that, everything else, health, medicine, whatever is their own activity, it will be up to them to figure it out how SC can help them. As long as it helps OUers. hahahahahaha.
With SC, your body now has more brains. The atoms in your organs are different. They all work on SC and so do all the bad guys you want to get rig of to stay healthy. hahaha
I'll be back when the doc is ready. In the meantime, please just grab a cold beer and relax. Consider yourself off the case until like for everyone else, I can issue my doc.
wattsup
PS: I am only responding to you now because I had e-mails from others who never post here asking for further details. This is a public forum and there can be thousands of people who come here so I will not make a spectacle of SC theory (À là Kenny Boy) just to provide you with your own punching bag. I am also a very scrappy guy. I have had more then my real share but I told myself that for SC, I will not entertain such activity. But it's not easy. So for now, I will no longer respond until my doc is out and have opened my own thread or just stay always at OUR, otherwise I realize this approach is not constructive. Have a good one and thanks for your input. Just to mention, this post took 4 hours to write and check. I ain't do'in it again until the doc is out. Just too much work.
All I can say Thanks !!, and that is what a fantastic response was...by Wattsup..
Acca...
Atom...
off topic ...UFO stuff...
Here is one of my clips from Denver Colorado about (2011) the secret space program.. That is an invisible saucer you can see the knife edge effect, this this thing was flying next to high voltage 500 kva lines in south Denver.. about 2:20 am during the summer.. Yeah it very real !!! It's a keeper...
At one time I was getting million views a month using night vision Xenonics (supervision) equipment..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ0n3VMryqk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ0n3VMryqk)
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread760104/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread760104/pg1)
Acca...[/font]
Here are the latest clips from Ken Wheeler the "MAGNET GURU"
Must-See Video! *SECRETS OF MAGNETISM* Never Seen Before* Torus-Hyperboloid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whoylwf-i0A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whoylwf-i0A)
Part 2: What??!! *WHEN MAGNETISM ISNT MAGNETISM* Inertia VS. Magnetism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uFFlE3udTk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uFFlE3udTk)
Acca...
Here are the latest clips from Ken Wheeler the "MAGNET GURU"
PART 3: TRANS-EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY OF COUNTERSPACE: The Hyperboloid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw6rw7B9Ejg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw6rw7B9Ejg)
Part 4: Centripetal VS. Centrifugal & Gauss Meter *MAGNETISM ISN'T MAGNETISM*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VheMzcOtKu8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VheMzcOtKu8)
Acca....[/font]
Ken Wheeler is "really the MAGNET GURU"
and the "angry photographer" is the best reviewer of cameras...
Yeah I do have a D750 Nikon.. Thanks Ken for the Clarification on D800 also..
Acca...
his You Tube channel below...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVcxJ9k14bi__-uA1cGkEcA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVcxJ9k14bi__-uA1cGkEcA)[/font]
Lol, if you people can't get along very well just imagine meeting a real alien and you trying to communicate with it when not speaking the same language?
Will you freak out? https://youtu.be/mGPKmPdL4Ew?t=57s
Or would you ask the alien to teach you?
To me looking at all of these people in here, sounds like you would be afraid of an alien, but at the same time, think you are smarter than an alien...lol
Who is scared of aliens? And who can tell me why it is illogical to be scared of aliens?
Element93rd, are you scared of god or do you respect and ask god to teach you? If god is not a human being, then it is an alien. I have thought about this before...the devil is an evil alien. So which god do you follow? The good one or the evil one? Who promises a better life and who will put you in hell? How do you follow good from wrong? If you say that you are so smart, tell me this? Does god teach us to destroy worlds? or to help our neighbors? SIMPLE stuff determine the future of this earth!
Element93rd, if you are so smart, why are you not doing anything about it to save this earth/humanity? You can't see the corruption? This means that the humanity will be over soon! It is inevitable! As smart as you are, there is nothing you can do? Or can you? Why has no alien come to the humanity rescue? Why are scientists are creating weapons of mass destruction? And not weapons of OVERUNITY FOOD? The rocket = torpedo. The airplane = dropping bombs. The radar = snoop on the enemy. The powder = shoot people. All of that shows the extinction of 90% of the corrupt people. IF HUMANS SCIENCE IS SO GOOD AND TRUTHFUL, why is everything money corrupt? WELL ELEMENT93RD, you are not doing anything positive are you?
Can you repair an HVAC system? lol...I'm sure you can't? Just like a pilot driving an airplane...they don't design any airplane, they just drive it and think they are bad ass...while they are driving someones design. lol
That picture of wheeler with karate/kungfu/or-whatever outfit is funny as hell...tho...lol. No disrespect magnet guru, but reminds me of kungfu panda...lol
CycleGuy, is crucial to renounce at the concept of "resting mass". It did not exist only in our limited science, in a system subjected to analysis of the human mind, according to the principle of Descartes. "Mass" is simply an effect and a wrong interpretation of it and "rest" is simply a false concept based on the existence of "mass" and strict related to it. This is a clear example of circular thinking that you still can't sense with your rational and analytical mind, and it is available only in a closed system defined by human mind arbitrary created concepts.
More than that I can't say because is useless, you have to sense all these with your own mind, not with my mind. For example look at the Mass-Boom effect formula and interpret it according to the nonexistence of "rest mass" and maybe will see its non-sense, and its circularity which goes nowhere.
QVZPE has meaning only in the current thinking paradigm, in which quantum=small, vacuum=empty space, zero=nothing, point=particle, energy=movement, or with other words SEsNPM, ie at smallest levels of an empty space there is some energy from particles. But if we assume there is no "resting mass" which is the truth of this sentence?
And after you will comprehend this aspect and its implications in human day by day life, will begin to sense that even fields does not exist, but that is a topic after understanding that there are no particles at all.
Keep in mind the words of Ken and try to put them in your own words (of course according to how you were educated over years); "Mother nature has never taken a course in math, algebra and she absolutely rejects the nonsense espoused by quantum. 'She' knows only about charge-discharge, spatial-counterspatial and centripetal-centrifugal spin as binary conjugates to charges and discharges. Gravity, electromagnetism and matter are all modalities of the Ether, of charges and spin."
Joel here is the best representation of Ken in his "self home made" hemp robe ...
Link to that video...of his ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLMl5PqgQ48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLMl5PqgQ48)
Look.... I like Ken, now that does NOT mean that "I agree with his philosophy.." as such example :
Like his swearing and calling people "trigger words" ...beign rude and crude... His Hate of people who dis-agree with him...
I will tolerate his Magnetism Theory as it is HIS belief .. and to convince me that it is correct is also "faith" in "my" understanding and for NOT EVERYONE ELSE...
"U" Have to discover that for your "self"...
and if you hate what he does or what he is, "he is what he is" and that will not change him.. or my belief in him or his magnetic theory..
I also like ugly dogs.. so what !!! It's my choice not yours ...
You Have to accept the fact that calling him WRONG and filthy names just also wrong ..
Accept all of him as a "human" with all the character faults that he carries...because one just can't cut out the bad part and leave just the good parts.. as that will make him cease to exist... as in Hinduism all LIFE is sacred, ever the slimy brown rat...
The Laughing Budda is a popular representation of fortune, pleasure, innocence, and complete joy which is already obvious on his cheerful face. Many people know that by rubbing his belly which is full of fortune, it can bring in good luck and success in your home. The larger the tummy of the Buddha, the more it becomes more favorable to the people. That is why the Laughing Buddha is truly one of the most dearly loved Buddha icons which can be seen in almost all Chinese homes and eating places all over the planet.
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Acca..
[/font] Link to the Buddha...below
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Budai.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Budai.jpg)
http://www.iai-international.org/feng-shui-laughing-buddha.html (http://www.iai-international.org/feng-shui-laughing-buddha.html)
Quote from: sadang on January 21, 2016, 03:37:56 AM
QVZPE has meaning only in the current thinking paradigm, in which quantum=small, vacuum=empty space, zero=nothing, point=particle, energy=movement, or with other words SEsNPM, ie at smallest levels of an empty space there is some energy from particles. But if we assume there is no "resting mass" which is the truth of this sentence?
Well, therein lies your fundamental conceptual error, doesn't it?
Quantum != "small". Quantum means "quantized". In other words, the energy states of the universe are discrete, originally discovered due to distinct spectral emission lines of different elements, which is caused by electron orbitals being quantized, which is caused by an electron orbital requiring an integer number of De Broglie waves in its orbit, or the electron will have set up a destructive interference orbit that will cause an unstable orbit. Thus the electron, in dropping in its orbital, gives off only certain wavelength photons. Do you deny spectral emission lines? If not, how do you explain them in your universe? How do you explain the shift in spectral emission lines in a reduced QVZPE field density environment? What prevents the electron from "crashing into" the protons of the nucleus in your universe, because in the real world, it's the ground state energy level imparted by the QVZPE field that prevents this, thereby underpinning the stability of all matter.
Vacuum != "empty space". The vacuum
is, quite literally, the Quantum Vacuum Zero Point Energy field, the fabric of space-time. Without it, space could not exist, matter could not exist. The QVZPE field radiation pressure (which is always increasing due to mass in stars being reverted to energy), in trying to reach its highest entropy state, has only two options... either expand space or concretize mass. As I proved mathematically, for mass to be created, entropy must increase, and it's common sense that when space increases for the same unit measure of energy in that space, entropy increases. It is more energetically conservative right now for the universe to expand to relieve QVZPE field radiation pressure. At some point in the past, it was more energetically conservative to concretize mass, which accounts for the mass we have today.
You can think of the QVZPE field as an extension of the stars themselves... the stars are a hot plasma, very low in entropy, the QVZPE field is a cold plasma, higher in entropy... the energy being converted from mass in those stars flows out into space, increasing the area it covers as it flows outward from the star. Thus, it cools and increases in entropy, becoming part of the QVZPE field.
Or do you also deny that stars give off energy converted from mass? Because that'd be a bit nonsensical, don't you think? Now, where would that energy from stars go, and by what means is it being mediated in your universe?
Mass is an extension of the QVZPE field in that mass is an even higher-entropy form of energy... when the force of gravity overcomes the molecular repulsion inherent in the matter in stars, the resulting fusion lowers entropy, converting some of that mass back into energy, while at the same time transmuting that mass into higher-entropy forms (ie: heavier elements).
But you'll note it's a balancing act... too much mass in one place and you get a black hole, nothing can escape despite atoms fusing, and thus entropy continues increasing... but take that gravity away from the black hole and entropy would suddenly decrease catastrophically, forming the most energetically conservative (highest entropy) forms of energy it can... which would likely be matter.
That's why heavier elements are formed in an exploding supernova, after all... the sudden gravitational collapse isn't enough to cause a black hole, the rebound overpowers gravity, throwing that low-entropy star matter out. Since everything in the universe seeks the quickest and easiest path to highest entropy, some of that already-existing matter is transmuted to heavier elements, and some of the energy in the exploding supernova is converted to lighter elements.
One could say gravity is an effect brought about by the universe's seeking balance... since everything tends toward higher entropy, something must balance that... gravity does so. In the case of planets, since the gravity is insufficient to cause fusion, apparently an agglomeration of molecules is lower-entropy (ie: they occupy a smaller space) than those same molecules being spread over a large amount of space. Enough of the molecules put together, though, and gravity can really get to work, fusing the elements to give off energy (which has lower entropy)... but it still tends toward higher entropy... that energy is thrown outward to spread throughout space (and thereby raise its entropy), and the matter forms heavier (ie: higher entropy) forms of matter via transmutation... gravity, the universe's most frustrated force, always striving, never achieving. :D
When one denies the existence of the QVZPE field, one denies the great majority of all of the universe. When one denies that fields exist, one denies the very underpinnings of what makes our universe work the way it does.
CycleGuy, I'm not here to convince you about my words, vision and understanding, nor I have all the answers in the world, I'm here only to express my opinion which rise some questions for some.
There is not any real word, other than that defined by human mind. Can you comprehend and accept this? In an atom in which 99,99 x 10^12 of its volume is empty space, how can you define the matter, particle, mass and the momentum? And what define the real world in this emptiness? The existence and interaction of fields maybe? And fields are what beyond the abstract concept and their math expression?
When one denies the existence of QVZPE field, one denies only the current concepts and interpretations of what makes our Universe work the way it work, not how it works in its intimate and its entirety. And he try to put it on other bricks, which should be based on principles not laws, ie valid from micro to macro levels of Universe. At least what we define micro and macro related to current limited understanding.
"Nothing is more fantastical and a travesty of how nature works than is quantum theory. Its very basis has no relationship to reality." – W. Russell
I presume a magnet works perfectly fine in a vacuum, therefore
even if you think there's nothing there,there certainly is!
John.
Quote from: sadang on January 21, 2016, 04:50:23 PM
CycleGuy, I'm not here to convince you about my words, vision and understanding, nor I have all the answers in the world, I'm here only to express my opinion which rise some questions for some.
There is not any real word, other than that defined by human mind. Can you comprehend and accept this? In an atom in which 99,99 x 10^12 of its volume is empty space, how can you define the matter, particle, mass and the momentum? And what define the real world in this emptiness? The existence and interaction of fields maybe? And fields are what beyond the abstract concept and their math expression?
The universe neither knows nor cares what your "opinion" of it is. It is reality and it will remain reality no matter how far off the rails your thinking goes. Reality will not bend to your will no matter what. Reconcile yourself to this fact, and the fact that QM has been verified to be accurate to better than one part in one million (and it improves every day), or continue to deny reality. The only one you're really hurting in your denial of reality and in your embracing the utter insanity that is Wheelerism (an amateurish and unattributed rip-off hodgepodge of Russellian theory, Circlon theory, Dollard theory and a few other off the wall rantings, mixed in with several serious fundamental errors in critical thinking) is yourself.
But if you continue to insist on golfing off the green, I'll be forced to drop you into the Bozo Bin. My job isn't to correct your fundamental misconceptions about reality, as an adult you should be capable of doing that yourself. My job is to learn as much as I can about reality, collaborate with those who are doing the same, and figure out some way of using that knowledge to benefit mankind. You can either join in, or you can go sit down on the second string bench, twiddle your thumbs and think your silly unworkable-universe thoughts.
Quote from: sadang on January 21, 2016, 04:50:23 PM
When one denies the existence of QVZPE field, one denies only the current concepts and interpretations of what makes our Universe work the way it work, not how it works in its intimate and its entirety. And he try to put it on other bricks, which should be based on principles not laws, ie valid from micro to macro levels of Universe. At least what we define micro and macro related to current limited understanding.
"Nothing is more fantastical and a travesty of how nature works than is quantum theory. Its very basis has no relationship to reality." – W. Russell
Walter Russell, the man who thought the spiral arms of a galaxy were radiation spiraling outward, instead of matter spiraling inward?
Walter Russell, whose formal education ended at the 4
th grade?
Walter Russell, who wrote: "Electricity is the strain or tension set up by the two opposing desires of universal Mind thinking", whatever that babble means?
Walter Russell, who posited that all planetary orbits become eccentric with time, whereas modern science knows planetary orbits start out eccentric due to excessive speed, and as the planet scrubs off speed due to gravitational drag, the orbit becomes more circular?
Walter Russell, who said the Earth was thrown off from the sun, and that the planet was continually flattening at the poles and would thus become unstable in its orbit about the sun?
Walter Russell, who said that light does not travel, that it "reproduces" itself, and that the speed of light is dependent upon the frequency and the length of the waves of that light?
Walter Russell, who said that light is both a "corpuscle" and a wave?
Walter Russell, who said the electron wasn't a "negative particle", it was an ever-expanding "corpuscle", and therefore it was perpetually moving outward toward space? He states exactly what Mr. Wheeler ripped off from Russellian theory without even bothering to attribute, to wit:
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There is no such condition in nature as negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions.
Compressing bodies are charging into higher potential conditions. Conversely, expanding bodies are discharging into lower potential conditions. To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting body.
Walter Russell, who blathered on about a "mother-light" and a "father-light"?
Walter Russell, who said that light rays "multiply their volume" in space after they leave a star, meaning they quite literally get bigger?
Walter Russell, who said light is "conditioned" from its creation to become a certain thing, specifically stating sodium and the seed of an oak tree?
Walter Russell, who said that the sun wasn't throwing off photons of light, but was somehow reproducing itself here on Earth "by extending the reproductions out through cold space into ever enlarging wave fields until those reproductions begin to converge again toward our center of gravity into ever smaller wave fields."? So light can grow
and shrink in volume, according to Russell, all without it affecting the frequency of that light, apparently.
Yeah, quoting Walter Russell isn't going to bolster your argument. He's the original Wheeler. He happened upon a couple of discoveries, then went off into the deep dark woods of whackjobbery.
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Quote from: minnie on January 21, 2016, 04:51:42 PM
I presume a magnet works perfectly fine in a vacuum, therefore
even if you think there's nothing there,there certainly is!
John.
It depends upon how you define "vacuum".
In a 'normal' vacuum (in which there is no atmosphere, but the QVZPE field is present), a magnet would not see a diminished field strength.
In a 'perfect' vacuum (in which there is, quite literally, nothing... no atmosphere, no QVZPE field), a magnet would have no field strength... remember, a magnet is a folded strange attractor, it induces virtual photons from the QVZPE field to enter the magnet via the Attractive (centripetal) interface, they travel through the magnet and are expelled via the Repulsive (centrifugal) interface on the opposite pole face. No virtual photons from the QVZPE field, no magnetic field.
From another of my posts:
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1956.msg34981#msg34981
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A conventional "dipole" magnet actually has 4 poles (2 Attractive and 2 Repulsive). Thus, a conventional magnet is "quadrachronologic" (when viewed from the perspective of both of the conventional magnet's pole faces).
The QVZPE field density is stressed twice on each pole face of the conventional magnet, once to slow time down (via the virtual photons thrown off at each Repulsive pole), and once to speed time up (via the virtual photons pulled in at each Attractive pole).
In short, our terminology for magnets is all screwed up, which confuses the entire topic.
Described Today As: Should Be Described As:
Conventional Magnet: Dipolar Quadrapolar, Quadrachronologic
Perfect Magnet: Monopolar Dipolar, Dichronologic
Pole Descriptions: N Pole, S Pole Face 1 Attractive, Face 1 Repulsive, Face 2 Attractive, Face 2 Repulsive
We should be looking at and describing the Attractive and Repulsive poles that are intrinsic in each pole face of the conventional magnet. When we refer to an entire conventional magnet, we should be referring to it as "quadrapolar" and "quadrachronologic", rather than "dipolar". What we refer to today as "monopole" magnets we should be referring to as "dipolar" and "dichronologic", since a perfect magnet with all magnetic domains aligned in the same direction will have two poles... an Attractive (centripetal) and a Repulsive (centrifugal) pole.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=36313.0;attach=825988 (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=36313.0;attach=825988)
That's a PDF file entitled: "Pressures and Energies of Vacuum in a Magnetic Field. Differences and Analogy with Casimir Effect". Scientists from Instituto de Cibernetica, Matematica y Fisica in Havana, Cuba did the research for NASA. They show that the Attractive (centripetal) interfaces on a magnet "squash" the QVZPE field density closer to the magnet pole face, whereas the Repulsive (centrifugal) interfaces "spread out" the QVZPE field density. This is a result of the temporal (time-asymmetric) qualities of a magnet's interfaces.
Here is a link to Michael Snyder on magnetism. He is the original discoverer of the Hale Shaw cell and the magnetic flux lines ..2007
http://overunity.com/15426/the-ferrocell/15/ (http://overunity.com/15426/the-ferrocell/15/)
Here is my old post from page 39 of this thread
Here is the Flicker photos of Michael Snyder he developed the single axis magnet plasmon viewer.. His YT channel is https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos)
http://www.aps.org/about/physics-images/archive/heleshaw.cfm (http://www.aps.org/about/physics-images/archive/heleshaw.cfm)
"Anti-Vortex Image in Hele-Shaw Cell
Magnetic fields can be hard to understand or characterize. Two natural means of visualizing magnetic fields are the aurora australis and the aurora borealis, as well as the Sun's corona.
Michael Snyder and others have explored ways to visualize magnetic fields in the lab. The visualization here started with a Hele-Shaw cell. A Hele-Shaw cell is two flat parallel plates separated by a nearly infinitesimal distance. In this case, Snyder's and Frederick's Hele-Shaw cell is made of two 100mm circular glass windows separated by a Fe3O4 ferrofluid; that is, a liquid of 10nm particles that becomes strongly magnetized.
The Hele-Shaw cell is facing the camera and illuminated by 36 colored LED lights placed around the cell's perimeter. The light is scattered through the cell as the ferrofluid particles respond to two magnets behind the cell which are aligned north/south and south/north. The magnetization produces this anti-vortex image."
http://www.revolution-labs.com/ (http://www.revolution-labs.com/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sirzerp/2947536208/in/photostream/lightbox/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sirzerp/2947536208/in/photostream/lightbox/)
Acca.
this forum is suposed to be about sharing information and technical know how
Do we realy have to put up with this verbal abuse and foul laguage ?
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 21, 2016, 09:54:17 PM
Look at this picture its the path of reactions but there is something missing that reveals the paramagnetic resonant Code and I just found it !!!!
Do you see all these Russian free energy resonant field technologies all depend on finding the paramagnetic resonance peak field of a coil set up and only now are they all agreeing that they get ill from it so its never going to work as a safe energy system if they keep doing it the way they are doing it !
Well I have found a new way of doing it and its the safe way !!!
Also I would like to have a bet with anyone that a magnetic field line is made of !!!!Nothing !!!! And In between the lines are particle harmonics as say trapped zero point fields set to a harmonic resonance equal to the intensity of that part of the field ...
Monopoles are holding different zero point particles like gravitons and bosons ! Confirming these two as the true fabric of space and time ! All the others hold the charge carriers .....
...........................................................................................gravity now isolated..............................................................................................
Yes, Yes you know a lot on the quantum physics level that may well be true, but time is getting short we need to move forward if you don't want to be a brain dead US captive slave in a fema camp.
Aliens usually give abdicates some sort of telepathic message of some kind about the earths future and how we can stop the idiots from destroying it, why don't you regress your mind back into that information and use it, help the earth and humanity before your freedom and ours is gone, forget about contracts money and self wealth most people are just existing, the 5 percent of the rest are banksters and Politicians, Politicians have already been bought out till it all changes it looks world wide, so who is the Führer ? don't get side tracked, move on.
Is a "perfect" vacuum attainable?
ie. No QVZPE field.
John.
CycleGuy, you still keep paying exaggerate attention to minor aspects of what I write, and completely avoid the important aspects. I consider Universe care about my opinion as well as of your opinion, because we both shape it! The Universe is not something external to you and me and everything compose and define it. And Universe is reality in the same manner as I wrote above. Or as I wrote in a previous message, thinking that Universe obey the human laws as we define it from here on Earth, is a huge mistake and a big lack of wisdom!
So, keep believing the Universe is defined by QVZPE if this is your way, and continue on Descartes method of knowledge. And will shape a reality accordingly! But, from time to time rethink what are the meaning of such concepts as matter, particles, mass, momentum, field and static.
"As I revolve in my mind the thoughts in answer to your question I find the most wonderful thing is the utter aberration of the scientific mind during the last twenty-five years. In that time the relativity theory, the electron theory, the quantum theory, the theory of radioactivity and others have been worked out and developed to an amazing degree. And yet probably not less than 90 per cent of what is thought today to be demonstrable scientific truth is nothing but unrealizable dreams." - Nikola Tesla - Galveston Daily News, Galveston, Texas, March 13, 1932, Page 11
"Where common sense and intuition failed, we (the insane relativists) had to create a new form of intuition based upon abstract (unreal) mathematics. When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense." - Leonard Susskind, professor theoretical physics, and priest of the cult of Quantum (from Ken's book page 9)
Quote from: minnie on January 22, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
Is a "perfect" vacuum attainable?
ie. No QVZPE field.
John.
Not with the materials we have available. The main problem is that metal is the best shielding material to use to block electromagnetic fields (which the QVZPE field is comprised of, given that it's a magnetohydrodynamic fluid, a cold plasma), but at extremely high frequencies, metal becomes transparent to those electromagnetic waves. I've theorized that a combination of graphene, then bismuth (one of the densest stable metals), then lead, then iron (to fritter away any remaining electromagnetic fields as eddy currents) would make an effective shield:
From another of my posts, some random thoughts into avenues of research:
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1) What if, rather than trying to reflect or block QVZPE wave modes at the exterior of the walls, we attempt to absorb them, and fritter them away in eddy currents? I'm thinking along the lines of research into high-efficiency solar panels, which trap a photon in a "maze" of sorts, a contorted waveguide, allowing all the energy of that photon to go toward knocking electrons free rather than being partially reflected.
2) We know that the Casimir effect cannot block high-frequency wave modes because the metal plates become transparent to the energy at high frequencies (at and above the X-ray range), yet it is the high frequencies (high energies) which would reduce the QVZPE field density the most.
3) We'd have to use a metal or some substance or combination of substances that can block or absorb x-rays and higher, along with the lower frequency modes of the QVZPE.
4) Perhaps an iron plate, a layer of lead, then a layer of bismuth, and graphene sheets on the outside? The iron plate would be the base to eddy-current away any induced fields that make it all the way through the shield (and it being the most atomically stable element, it would better withstand an artificially lowered QVZPE environment than any other element), the lead would be there to block ultra-high frequency waves, the bismuth would do the same as the lead and would repel magnetic fields due to being diamagnetic, and the graphene would absorb electromagnetic radiation all the way up to the THz range, and convert it to an electrical current.
5) I'd made a note earlier about graphene making a good Casimir cavity wall material. This is because graphene has a near zero nuclear magnetic moment, it's a zero-gap semiconductor, it's an excellent conductor with the lowest known resistivity at room temperature, and it can convert electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength into an electrical current.
Some strange effects occur when you lower the QVZPE field density in a Casimir cavity... space in that cavity shrinks, time in that cavity speeds up, and in a complete absence of QVZPE field, all elements would experience an effect whereby their electron orbits were no longer sustained at their 1s orbitals... so in a complete absence of QVZPE field, any element would undergo electron capture decay up the Periodic Table, transmuting into lighter and lighter elements until it hit hydrogen, whereupon it'd convert into a neutron, a photon in the gamma ray energy range, and an electron neutrino. That'd give off a tremendous amount of energy, orders of magnitude more than a nuclear weapon's fissioning or fusing of a similar amount of material.
Quote from: sadang on January 22, 2016, 12:01:06 PM
CycleGuy, you still keep paying exaggerate attention to minor aspects of what I write, and completely avoid the important aspects. I consider Universe care about my opinion as well as of your opinion, because we both shape it!
No, we don't "shape it". We merely reside within it. The universe existed long before we did, and will exist long after we're extinct. Our opinions of the universe amount to quite literally nothing to the universe.
Quote from: sadang on January 22, 2016, 12:01:06 PM
The Universe is not something external to you and me and everything compose and define it. And Universe is reality in the same manner as I wrote above. Or as I wrote in a previous message, thinking that Universe obey the human laws as we define it from here on Earth, is a huge mistake and a big lack of wisdom!
You've got that backwards... they're not our rules, they're the rules the universe follows. We merely did the research to discover those rules.
As an experiment, I invite you to wish just as hard as you possibly can that the sun splits into two distinct orbs... invite all your friends, hold hands, sing Kumbaya, chant, burn incense... the sun will remain as it is. Your New Age mysticism is nothing more than a mind f*ck that weak minds use when they can't fathom the underlying rules of the universe. Deal with that reality as you will.
Quote from: sadang on January 22, 2016, 12:01:06 PM
So, keep believing the Universe is defined by QVZPE if this is your way, and continue on Descartes method of knowledge. And will shape a reality accordingly! But, from time to time rethink what are the meaning of such concepts as matter, particles, mass, momentum, field and static.
"As I revolve in my mind the thoughts in answer to your question I find the most wonderful thing is the utter aberration of the scientific mind during the last twenty-five years. In that time the relativity theory, the electron theory, the quantum theory, the theory of radioactivity and others have been worked out and developed to an amazing degree. And yet probably not less than 90 per cent of what is thought today to be demonstrable scientific truth is nothing but unrealizable dreams." - Nikola Tesla - Galveston Daily News, Galveston, Texas, March 13, 1932, Page 11
"Where common sense and intuition failed, we (the insane relativists) had to create a new form of intuition based upon abstract (unreal) mathematics. When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense." - Leonard Susskind, professor theoretical physics, and priest of the cult of Quantum (from Ken's book page 9)
Nikola Tesla invented a lot. That doesn't make him correct on everything. Your inability to discern between what he got right and what he got tremendously, laughably wrong is the same reason behind your inability to discern that Wheeler's hobby theory and his take on magnets is likewise tremendously, laughably wrong.
Nikola Tesla, for instance, said he'd received messages from Mars... so according to your way of thinking, there is intelligent life on Mars. See how ludicrous that sounds? No, you probably don't.
CycleGuy and what make you believe the Universe is older than you or me? The human short matter life? Did you bent on what is a human being? A particle, a field or more than that?
No, that rules are not the rules the Universe follows, they are the rules we defined according to our current understanding about the Universe. And looking at it as something external to our own will and consciousness.
And stop with these silly example of naive experiments, I was not born yesterday. I have the ability and capacity to discern very well between current science dogma and other alternative solutions to it.
I finally understood your mind. You're too seized by the theory of quantum to see or accept anything else. And more than that, you do not want any change! You feel comfortable in that situation, and fear of the unknown! Specific to current scientists, not to see the circularity of current theories.
Keep going on your way and make abstraction of my words. My best wishes to your endeavor! And don't forget this is the Ken's topic about the vortex magnetism and not about quantum fantasies!
Quote from: sadang on January 22, 2016, 01:13:25 PM
CycleGuy and what make you believe the Universe is older than you or me?
Oh for crying out loud.
Ok, we're done. You're delusional and clue-repellent, and it appears you're getting worse, not better. Into the Bozo Bin with you.
I had high hopes of Sadang and the Aryan Buddhist giving physics
a good shake-up. It wasn't to be, they have all but fizzled out.
Anyways it's been worth my while keeping the topic on the page,
relativity and QVZPE have now got some real meaning for me.
It's amazing how scientists have been able to make predictions
from their mathematical skills and then someone has come up with
experimental proof,probably decades later. Also it's pretty mind
blowing when things agree to eight or so places.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 22, 2016, 09:37:29 AM
AlienGrey
You seem to have a lot of good energy ! Also you have focus and a poised calm concentration you don't rise to the bait and this is very warming ! In front of me are 2 6kw 3 phase generators and a very special cap bank made to an inverse square formula of the electron and some other parts ...
The out put at 6000 rpm is 12 KW at 3000 6 kw at 1500rpm 3kw ect
There is a bit of a secret to it but the full parts come to only £500 and takes one man one day to make 1 .................
I am not spinning magnets on this one but say for heavy duty power I would add some in ect !
I am going to offer you a deal ! I will share this secret with you on the grounds that you help get it into the market by a DIY self build kit sold on ebay ASAP ............
They build there own box if they want one and we just send them the parts with an agreement that they cant do the same thing ect ....
Its going to be impossible to stop this being ripped off at some point and I think we could stay ahead on the price of the parts if the cost was to drop on large scale purchases ?
What I would suggest is we take the money and set up a research and development centre ASAP that builds small zero G space craft and operates an ET communication post .......
Its not a good sign that there is large scale UFO activity in the sky's Over the US ... And some of these events include powerful beams hitting the ground and clouds that are sending up beams of light to the upper atmosphere ...
Some ufos that are as big as 1 to 4 miles in size are constantly entering our dimensional space and here in the Uk there has been dog fights with ufos ect ect ect ect ... The list just keeps growing !
We tend to view these events as 3 dimensional but its looking like something is operating military type ufos on a interdimensional level ! This may sound strange but when you have an ability to slip in and out of time and space 50 000 years ago is just a few days away !
I am beginning to see that this war in space is in fact a war in space time ! The battle ground is time it self ! The front lines are many and as one side wins ground in one time zone another will step away into a different one ...
The Devil whom I have meet is a very powerful demonic force and he has control of all of hes army by thought alone ! And he has some friends that are gathering around from deep in our galaxy !
The ! black satellite ! is very real so check it out !!!!! It deployed a black stone at the birth of the Islamic faith and was found and it communicated by voice to them that found it and is why Islam thinks its going to soon begin to speak again !
Islam is now being spread everywhere due to these conflicts that have some kind of plan to them so one can say Islam is making its move towards there end goal and that is a very bad sign ...
The Islamic state is a very dark demonic community and completely dedicated to the extreme of a faith that is now attempting to rule the world and is in fact controlled by the devil .......... FACT ! Islam has a temple in north Iran and Iraq where they worship the devil as a profit !!! And its know that demons often present them self's showing signs of great power and the stupid people think these demons are from heaven ..... WAHT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS ........
Another bad sign is the huge deep space UFOs have now come very close to our earth and these objects are feeding from plasma from our sun ! This is also a very bad sign as one of them was filmed sucking up plasma and it was about the same size as the earth !!!!
There is a level of the meta quantum where even planets have a life force of there own and its possible that a galaxy is in fact some kind of living body but with our galaxy we seem to have a very dark energy growing inside and its in a state of conflict with the good side .....
This conflict is way beyond start wars or star track ! And there are also many supernatural front lines and the science in them is controlled by thought alone ............ !!!
Who is winning ?????? I don't know but its starting to look like our earth is now becoming a front line battle ground !!! Why is our earth so important ???
I have some guides that help me with everything !!! And I want this experience of communication with them place into a special DPT .... So we can have a constant and direct open channel .......
ALL WE NEED IS A HQ ..............................................YOUR MOVE MR GRAY !!!!
An HQ first things first If I got in volved with this I would want to to see a device running, and if it's got no magnets how does it work ? How big is this device and what does it look like ?
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 22, 2016, 05:38:40 PM
The box is 18inch high 2 ft long and weighs around 8 kilo .....
Could you please just post a low resolution picture of this box with something familiar alongside it for size reference.
People these days need visual confirmation.
Not asking for complete plans and assembly instructions, just a simple digital photo.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 22, 2016, 06:25:35 PM
A picture of a box is not going to say anything ......
No picture of the box says a lot.
Element93rd, what is your main goal here? To make fun of people to get some cheap confidence out of it? To help mother earth and pave a path for your future kids? To make money from people's ideas?
Are you asking people in here to help you make a UFO?
Are you trying to teach people in here that you know how to make a UFO? And if you can, to what planet to you want your UFO to land on?
I have been here for one minute, and the OVER UNITY device is mostly wanted by poor people! The rich don't need it! When you have millions of dollars, there is no need for an OU device!
Then we have two dilemmas!
1-- why is not everyone rich?
2 – why is not everyone poor?
If everyone is rich, all of the poor problems will go away. If everyone is poor, all of the rich problems will go away. Which bring me back to the main point!!! What are you fighting for? For attention here to make virtual "friends"? Because you are defending yourself from being charged of a murder? Because you are crazy in the brain and your neuron paths are fucked up?
You have two choices:
1 = help people/earth.
2 = lie to gullible people for your own benefit.
Element93rd, what do you want out of people and out of this earth? Truth or money?
In all honesty, It sounds like you are searching for monetary investors to make your "invention" profitable. = has nothing to do with helping the poor nor the earth! I don't blame you...put $30,000 dollars in your hand cash, and you will love it no matter if the earth dies from money corruption.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 23, 2016, 11:37:19 AM
joel321
But you only need one book and its called the cosmological principle ......... Start ASAP go and get this book from the library and confirm you have it ..................................
I have all episodes of Stargate Atlantis. It is handy too. :D :D :D
Quote from: Dog-One on January 22, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
No picture of the box says a lot.
He'll keep talking and BS'ing until one or more of the more gullible members of the forum sends him money... but he'll never demonstrate any of his fantastical and provably impossible devices... because they don't exist. He's no "master of the quantum", he's merely a master of bamboozling weak-minded gullible fools into thinking he is so they'll send him money.
I invite everyone to cordon off those who would subscribe to these odd hobby theories so the forum can get down to the work of producing a working OU device that's in full accordance with QM. It can be done. We're not in a "closed system", everything in the universe freely exchanges energy with the QVZPE field... so the old "you can't 'create' energy from nowhere" doesn't apply... we're not creating it, we're tapping into it. And given the double-loop strange attractor nature of magnets, utilizing magnets to do so seems to me to be the easiest route.
Haisch and Moddel have one means by which it can be done, utilizing a Casimir cavity to artificially lower QVZPE field density, thereby causing the electron orbitals of a noble gas to drop in their orbits (the QVZPE field being the underlying cause for electron orbitals not going below their 1s orbits and 'crashing into' the nucleal protons, after all), giving off photons that are then converted to electricity or heat. After the noble gas exits the Casimir cavity, the electrons gain energy from the QVZPE field to return to their normal orbits. This can also be done with magnets stressing the QVZPE field density to lower it, but the magnets would need to be incredibly strong. Unfortunately, the Haisch and Moddel method can only extract minute amounts of energy because Casimir cavities are tiny by their very nature.
I conceived of a second method, but I'm unsure if it'd work... there's nothing I can find in QM or QED that prevents it from working. I simply don't have the time or energy right now to do the experimentation to confirm or null it. It has to do with subdividing the quadravortexual nature of magnetic flux.
We can all agree that magnetic flux is mediated by Larmor radiation in the form of virtual photons, that's a basic precept of QM. The angular acceleration of the electrons in orbit about their nuclei in a magnet, and electron spin, necessitates that they give off Larmor radiation. This energy output is balanced by their taking in energy from the QVZPE field, which is what prevents electrons from going below their 1s orbital. Thus, the QVZPE field underpins the stability of all matter. All matter exhibits this behavior, but in a magnet, the coherency of the Larmor radiation manifests in what we perceive as a magnetic field.
Because our relatively weak magnetic material cannot withstand the internal magnetic stress, some of the domains unpin and flip, thus interspersed throughout a conventional magnet are actually
two magnets of opposing spin. This is why you can cut a magnet and have a N and S pole in each cut piece. It's also the reason why the Bloch Wall region can move to again minimize the internal energy of a magnet when it's cut.
A magnet thus has two 'interfaces' on each pole face, an Attractive interface which draws virtual photons in from the QVZPE field, and a Repulsive interface which throws virtual photons off whereupon they're subsumed back into the QVZPE field. The centripetal of one pole face and the centrifugal of the opposite pole face constitute one path through the magnet, and the opposite centripetal and centrifugal constitute the second path. The two paths loop between each other endlessly, out of Path 1's centrifugal, into the QVZPE field, out of the QVZPE field, into Path 2's centripetal, out of Path 2's centrifugal, into the QVZPE field, out of the QVZPE field, into Path 1's centripetal, out of Path 1's centrifugal, etc., etc.....
Due to the nature of centrifugal and centripetal vortexes, the centripetal will always spiral inward on itself, thus it is concentrated at the center of the pole face, whereas the centrifugal vortex always spirals outward, and thus it is concentrated at the perimeter of the pole face.
See my images in a prior post for a graphical explanation.
Since magnets directly stress QVZPE field density, and the QVZPE field quite literally is the fabric of space-time, magnets exhibit temporal effects known as time asymmetry. The centripetal interface on each pole face speeds up time, the centrifugal slows down time.
In a conventional electrical generator, we're playing with three effects... the centripetal interface speeds time up, the centrifugal interface slows time down, and the rotation of the generator slows time down. The centripetal interface speeding time up counteracts the centrifugal interface slowing time down, which is why we need to utilize rotation to cause a compression of space-time, and thus a perceived charge compression in the wires of the generator, and thus that charge gets pushed out over the wire to power loads.
But if we were able to separate out the centrifugal and centripetal interface fluxes and reroute them so they were both going in the same direction rather than counteracting each other, we wouldn't need rotation to generate electricity.
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Ah, so what I learned today:
They're not referred to as centripetal and centrifugal vortexes, they're referred to as 'vortex' and 'anti-vortex'. In the parlance of perturbations of the QVZPE field, the vortex and anti-vortex are opposites and mutually annihilate. The vortex would be what I was referring to as the centripetal interface, the anti-vortex would be the centrifugal. A magnet is a dual vortex and a dual anti-vortex (one vortex and anti-vortex on each pole face) frozen into a molecular matrix that sets up the two perpetual virtual photon flux paths through the magnet.
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For those who still want to shape the reality according to their own understanding and will, and not to the others:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ygw-t7ncJU
I tried years and years ago to bend light with a realy strong magnet, and with a laser guess what it doesn't work, the only way i know is to use hard ware and scan it that way.
Also Aluminum is magnetic, just lower it's temp ;)
So then where in the video does he bend light ?
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 23, 2016, 07:11:41 PM
Mr gray !
Its just refraction in a lenses ! He also claims every thing is just inertia including gravity but gravity can cause a planets core to heat up and I don't see inertia doing that ..
We are ready for you to come on board when your ready ect ........... The nda will also have a joint ownership deal ect !!! There is a solid plan we are working to and we do know what we are doing .
Yes i know how that works.
Mr Atom hello, I don't want to appear un grateful to your kind offer but I sent you a quick none disclosure agreement by e-mail, please send me some thing back to show that you are up front and it's real, I'm naturally a wary person about these sort of things as you are giving nothing away about your personal self or the project.
Waiting your reply
With all due respect regards Alien Gray
Defining the denotation & nature of a FIELD without employing TIME variable effects
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3JN26a1iK8
There is many theories about the gravity. On of my personally favorite one is the effect of dark mater. Dark matter is very dense and surround us. As we are made of very empty space we pass through the dark matter easy. Still it has some force-pressure influence on us. Now example: The earth and Moon. The earth is very dense and reduce the effect of force of dark mater passing through it. It creates the "shadow" of less pressure between the Earth and Moon. The same is for moon. From the other side the dark matter pressure is higher than from the "shielded" side between the earth and moon. It cause both mass object to keep together. And so it does for us humans and everything else- The force of dark matter underneath is less then force around us and the result is the push toward the earth. That push is reduced in the shadows between the earth and moon -the effect we can see as the ocean tides.
So how about that?
Element93rd, why do I call you element93rd and not atom1 nor Atommix? Or Atommix93rdAtom1? Because I have seen you get banned from this forums like 4 times. I remember "debating" with you about tornado's. And you telling me that a technology could be made to make a tornado....which what you said never made sense...but I was debating with you as me joel321 and you element93rd....so element93rd got banned but I recognize your new names!
I understand you in a way because I am a loner myself! This ability of being alone most of the time was not something I choose but rather, my dad use to believe that he knew everything. This means that we are "introverts" and introverts like learning and would like others to appreciate our learning abilities. We think BEYOND the average person to the point that we may seem "CRAZY" to them but we are actually understanding these stuff because we have been BUSY learning this stuff that it is easy to "see" in our brains.
I am soooo use to thinking about reality and the purpose in life that I will not take your bullshyt!!! I don't see no teaching coming from you but just see a desperate SMART person finding someone else to understand that mind of yours....WHICH IS NOTHING HARD! To understand for me at least.
I am asking you to explain to me your mind? You keep on mentioning your number 9? I told you that the 9 is a numerical vortex. All numbers are numerical vortexes. "The big bang" is a numerical vortex. A male liking female breast is a numerical vortex. We don't CHOOSE to like females, we are MADE to like females. ALL of this is a repetition which is a vortex that "evolves" from the vortex comes another vortex.
Now if you are soo smart and intelligent trying to teach me something, remember, this is a sub-forum about magnetism and the vortex? NOT, about element93rd trying to teach something to people regarding ethics!
Make a new thread regarding your LIFE beliefs, and i'll go there to debate with you. But, as of right now, nothing impresses me coming out of your mouth? :P
Can you see the future?
Can you see what is the purpose of fixing something that is broken or the purpose of learning (something that is enjoyable?)
Are you teaching me how to get banned from forums? :P Yeah, that is there no matter what. So if what to insult me, I have plenty to insult you back with! OR are you trying to teach me? Then I have nothing to teach you but just to let you know that you don't impress me :P
Element93rd, as I write this, I hear (with my ears) very low frequencies going to very HIGH pitch. It sounds like a low pitch engine starting up and then it goes slowlyyyyy to HIGH pitch that it freaked me out! Have you heard that before? It feels like I'm hearing ultrasound right now and it's hurting my ears. Have you ever experienced that? This is the type of evidence that I understand that there is an "outside" phenomena that is what I believe to be "aliens". I am NOT going to lie to you, I get scared BUT at the same time, I am not because there is something greater of energy that is out there that we cannot understand. I just experience this right now and I went outside expecting to see aliens and I was recording with a digital camera just in case.....now I ask myself, why did I hear that? NO ONE ELSE WOULD BELIEVE ME IF I TOLD THEM!!!! IF you have similar experiences or if you know why that happens, let me know GURU!? Since you seem to know it all :)
yes Ive known this for a while, bees us it and so do humming birds and some others ! think you need a function generatore and an amp and a loudness scope (speaker) put a ping pong ball in the middle and blast it till you find the frequency.
Quoteyes Ive known this for a while, bees us it and so do humming birds and some others ! think you need a function generatore and an amp and a loudness scope (speaker) put a ping pong ball in the middle and blast it till you find the frequency
You know what is funny? That I am 100% certain that I can fix more stuff that you can!!! If I am saying this, it is because I mean it. I also use to not believe in ghosts and mock them at night!!!! (which I regret now) to scare people.
Now I believe that ghosts are pure energy (lost?) souls or what not. This relates to your inability to control your body. If you are weak in the brain, the pure energy entities will take over your mind and your body....don't believe me? Provoke the ghosts at night if you are man enough?
Yes I will bro....but can you explain why I heard this engine? It went from 200Hz all the way to 200,000Hz and it kept going up till I could not hear it anymore...the craziest experience in my whole life...actually this is the first time I experience that! And you are the person I am telling it to because you are mostly qualified to understand this type of shyt right? lol Anyways...I'll go read those books ...LETS CHANGE THE WORLD? Deal?
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 23, 2016, 04:09:46 PM
your words to CycleGuy
*** YOUR WORDS ****
You have written a book ? what is it ? I have written a book to called the quantum mechanics tool kit and each tool is unique and is a perfected example of the new reality we all now face ! But not you son as your head is now firmly stuck up your own arse that the only hope for you is if you can reach up for your gun it might be possible for you to create another hole so you can see where your going hahahahahahahahahaha .....
I challenge you son to come forward with your own technology designed and built by you to sit it on a table and compare it against mine !
Your what we call a self made nincompoop who eats book worms and rants on all day long about science that he has no idea off presenting it in the form of a working system ... You also have no ethics and even want to disrupt an honest attempt to help the poorest people on this earth ...
You remind me of a man that would go to a disaster site where there are 100 000 people starving to death pull up a table and get out your sandwich box full of food and something good to drink and munch away while attempting to tel a starving kid that he needs to read your dumb stupid book of nothing .....
I want to give you a gift !!!!! Its 500 starving children who have been made to use a gun to shoot another 500 starving children over some stupid religious conflict ........ You role is to make peace and feed the 1000 every day until they can feed them self's and help each other to fight the evil men that have put them in that situation ,,
*** END ***.
Well we could use your device (if it exists) to grow food and feed these kids any where on the planet ant create a 1000 year habituate for people with out dependence on the greed evil god thing Gold Oil Diamonds, of the satanic worshiper.
Of course as I said there is your device, if I ever get a reply from you that is ;), I suppose there is always solar panels heven knows why they are so expensive and then you need batteries and controllers, not very practical.
So what is you game, really ????? ;)
Oh and the core of the earth isn't anything like that shape or the rest of the inner earth for that matter ;)
AG
A photon is a "quanta" of light and doesn't experience time.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 24, 2016, 04:05:17 PM
THE PHOTON
! LOOK SHE IS A BIRDS WING ! FAST AND SLOW TIME IS HOW SHE TRAVELS !
I don't do secrets and why hide a photon as beautiful as this one ! ? ! There is more a lot more to come , Best take a seat I will give you a tour of the universe you had never known before . lol
A photon ! it comes into existance and goes out of existance it is the product of back ground jitter !
Where does the zero point sea exist, same place.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 24, 2016, 07:31:11 PM
Mr gray your right !
But where do the photons go when there not here ? Look at the 12 note octave 7 notes and scales are the colours of the rainbow they are the white keys of the piano ...... Than there are 5 black notes !
The black notes are the holes in the fabric of space and time . The aliens are there between the rainbow hidden out of sight ! They are building many underground facilities . The question is why do they want the USA ?
We no longer have our own planet, and that to me is very sad ..... !
All this has been going on a long time, in 1967 was a TV series the invader, it was a good sci-fi series but how come it all fits with the now!
Rotary electrostatic magnetic engines that stop any petrol engine or radio running, and a plat of the aliens taking over the world, that's almost 50 years ago, now we appear to have an American secret agenda by some power that are appear to be working to taking over the world all very strange, ect, ect, is this based on fact you think, or a reality perhaps ?
element93rd, what is the difference between Einstein and a CEO?
Slavery! Lol Yeah in the year 2016. This lazy guy does not want to work 8 hours a day straight...fire his azz and get another!!! There are many replacements!!!
We love KNOWLEDGE and knowledge shows us the life expectancy of something. TELL ME, does a photon live for ever? And I am curious...what is the sound oscillation between a "new born" photon VS an 80yr old "photon"?
Are you thinking with me or are you a ? ;)
You worry about minnie? lol nah!
AlienGrey? lol nah.
The ninjah magnet guru? lol nah.
An alien teaching you how to build a UFO? YOU KISS HIS/HR FEET!!!! Np questions asked. Are you hear trying to learn or here trying to teach? If 80% of the time you read comments in here an see hem s stupid, you are a teacher. If you read comments in her that you come back to learn 80% of the time, you are a student. Aliengrey, minnie, profitis, are just students lols.
THE TRUTH IS VERY hard TO UNDERSTAND! Starting from the golden ratio!!! as a matter of fact an electric sine wave is the same as a sound wave!!! ONLY in different Hz level?
I have discovered that bacteria eat molten rocks!!!!! Rocks! are food for life! On the most elementary level! If we look at the ladder of the food that we eat, it goes all the way down to food that eat molten rocks!!!! = 100% = our brain is developed from molten rocks!!! Now ask yourself, how many molten rock is being molten in the universe? element93rd, I am not just asking you, I am asking people that are reading this in general...to see what they say? LOL
What I learned today:
As regards my previous post about lowering QVZPE field density to such an extent that electrons in orbit about their nuclei were no longer sustained by the QVZPE field at their 1s orbitals, instead crashing into the nucleal protons, I'd stated that the energy derived from doing something like this would boggle the mind.
I now know that a kilogram of any matter allowed to electron capture decay back up the Periodic Table and into energy by subjecting it to a zero-QVZPE field environment would give off 25,000,000,000 KWh of energy. That's 25 terawatt hours... so about 1.25 tons of matter would provide all the electricity used by all of humanity for a year.
It's too bad we don't have the technology to build such a device. That's nearly nothing in terms of mass, that'd amount to a loss of mass of about 7 pounds of matter per day to provide all the electricity needs of the entire planet. We gain much more than that each day from stuff falling to the planet from space.
Of course, if we had such a device, it'd be a sure bet someone would build a bomb using that technology and wipe half a continent out in a flash. 3 kilograms of matter would make a more powerful bomb than the most powerful nuclear device ever detonated. So...
- fields are not particles, they can not be quantified...
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjTckApcp_E
Whoever said that fields are particles?
Whoever said photons care about time?
Do you mean a partical or artical ?
a partical is some thing with infinat mass with an internal structure and almost neglidgable dimentions.
a bacteria oh thats a coffee bar in a back street ;) he he
a sea side place is where you can buy all the rock you want but dont forget to cleen your teeth or it will desolve them in no time at all !
- just a step further in comprehension of the real reality. soon the space itself will become a simple local and human concept.
- http://yournewswire.com/new-type-of-lense-detects-entities-invisible-to-humans/ (http://yournewswire.com/new-type-of-lense-detects-entities-invisible-to-humans/)
- http://www.thunder-energies.com/docs/ITE-paper-12-15-15.pdf
Quote from: sadang on January 25, 2016, 08:50:02 AM
- just a step further in comprehension of the real reality. soon the space itself will become a simple local and human concept.
- http://yournewswire.com/new-type-of-lense-detects-entities-invisible-to-humans/ (http://yournewswire.com/new-type-of-lense-detects-entities-invisible-to-humans/)
- http://www.thunder-energies.com/docs/ITE-paper-12-15-15.pdf (http://www.thunder-energies.com/docs/ITE-paper-12-15-15.pdf)
Ha, you really qualified yourself sad angel. Did you do any searching on "Thunder Energies?"
Take a look at their corporate headquarters, it looks like a propane tank refueling station!!! I can hear the dueling banjos off in the distance.
I know, I know MileHigh, according to your mentality "serious" research and discoveries can be made only at CERN. Serious research based on serious amount of money from a more serious amount of people, to research... nothing! However, for you everything that don't fit in the current so called "science" for sure must have something rotten in it. Could that be a correct mentality or it is just an infantile one?
- http://www.thunder-energies.com/index.php/ct-menu-item-5
Quote from: MileHigh on January 25, 2016, 04:02:41 PM
Ha, you really qualified yourself sad angel. Did you do any searching on "Thunder Energies?"
Take a look at their corporate headquarters, it looks like a propane tank refueling station!!! I can hear the dueling banjos off in the distance.
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=138241648
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Thunder Energies Corporation, a development stage company, focuses on the manufacture, sale, and service of various technologies in the United States. The company transforms science into marketable products for optical, nuclear, and combustion technologies. It intends to offer Santilli telescopes with concave lenses that detect anti-matter galaxies, anti-matter asteroids, anti-matter cosmic rays, and other entities; hadronic reactors for the synthesis of the neutron from the hydrogen gas; and HyperFurnaces for the combustion of fossil fuels. The company was formerly known as Thunder Fusion Corporation and changed its name to Thunder Energies Corporation in May 2014. The company was incorporated in 2011 and is based in Tarpon Springs, Florida. Thunder Energies Corporation is a subsidiary of Hadronic Technologies Press, Inc.
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapid=248867273
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Hadronic Technologies Press, Inc. publishes physics and mathematics academic materials. The company was incorporated in 2001 and is based in Palm Harbor, Florida.
http://www.hadronicpress.com/index.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli
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Ruggero Maria Santilli (born September 8, 1935) is an Italian-American nuclear physicist. Mainstream scientists dismiss his theories as fringe science, which Santilli, in his turn, describes as a mainstream conspiracy against novel science.
http://shutdownrossi.com/technology-patents-and-ip/why-uspto-rejected-santilli-patent/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1289221
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A friend sent this site to me about this "breakthrough" technology for hydrogen electrolysis.
http://hytechapps.com/
These folks are peddling a $7,000 machine which claims to make "A new gaseous and combustible form of water".
I find his paper full of references to "magnecules" and "hadronic chemistry". A quick check of "hadron" determines that this deals with an exotic subatomic particle, and anytime someone starts flogging a product that works by manipulating pentaquarks, tertaquarks and hybrid mesons, somebody is about to get fleeced.
The paper is written by "Prof. Ruggero Maria Santilli"
http://www.i-b-r.org/Ruggero-Maria-Santilli.htm
who is currently working for the "Institute for Basic Research" in a PO Box in Palm Harbour, Florida.
Looking up "magnecules" I find this site, http://www.magnecules.com/ which seems to be more bogus science. I find lots of references to other sites touting "magnegas" and lots of pictures of nifty apparati supposedly making it.
My high school physics and chemistry tell me that this is complete horse caca, but perhaps one of your bonafide science type can give it a look?
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I Read The Whole Paper
The math is highly questionable. The bond energies and Gibbs Free Energy values stated do not make sense. The energy used to electrolyze the water doesn't necessarily have to exactly equal the heat of combustion upon recombining, (although in general, heats of formation and heats of combustion are essentially the same). But, this would require 100% efficiency in both the electrolytic and combustion steps.
I don't know that there is any such thing, and even in combustion, the only way to assure 100% efficiency is to have the system under high stress (temperature and pressure). That would only be done in the interest of creating an adiabatic state to determine the exact measures of energy release. It would be impractical under these circumstances because the energy used to achieve those temperatures and pressures would exceed the output. Thermocell and combustion bomb studies (to determine the dangers involved in certain chemical mixtures and reactions) always are a net energy sink, despite the fact that one is actually creating an explosion. (A highly efficient energy release.)
I wouldn't buy this concept for a nickel, let alone 8 Grand.
The Professor
So it's a "technology company" selling concave telescope lenses for sighting UFOs, etc. and incredibly expensive HHO welding machines supposedly using some new form of HHO... in other words, it caters to the tinfoil hat crowd.
Hadrons, 3 Quarks..... that won't go down well with the Buddhist!
93
Now that was funny ...even your Ha ha's made sense and fit into the "schtick"...
they usually make me squirm ... The ha ha's that is , perhaps you need a hah self Limiter setting,
Maybe the left hand thumb rule and a Hammer ...?
every third Hah gets a thumb whack ??
should help ??
Regarding Santilli
I was under the impression his plasma incinerators were working in many cogen facility's ??
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 25, 2016, 11:19:49 AM
Thanks for that one sadang !
That proves it ! ALIENS ARE EVERYWHERE ......
http://alien-ufo-sightings.com/2015/07/neil-armstrong-on-the-moon-we-have-ordered-the-aliens-to-move-away/
You know CycleGuy, there is no smoke without fire! So that's the reason there are what you cal tinfoil hat crowd. Of course they have the bad behaviour to not obey calm an in trance the official bla, bla, bla. Which one is in reality misleading the others, that's an aspect that each one of us should question by his own effort and research. The same situation as in a magnet, seen through the eyes of a closely scrutinizer; is there any relation and of what type between magnetic and dielectric fields? Did you get the point?
Good Atom! Keep at'em.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 26, 2016, 10:58:59 AM
https://youtu.be/P-a8QAeCoNU
Timothy Thrapp rides again...
http://pesn.com/2009/05/06/9501538_TimothyThrapp-WITTS_dominant_energy_field/
Wasn't he put on the No-Fly List?
90 Degree Rule Theory (http://fdp-energy.com/free_energy.asp?book=90)
Sir Timothy....
we had a "brother" [proper not by faith] show up here a few years back ..
he was from the Philippines ,and his sister was "involved" with Timmy ...
wasn't good and he made all manner of public attempts to reach out for Timmy [not sure if there was a baseball bat involved ]
Somethins not right in The Philippines regarding Timmy ??
Nor is there something right with a person that would let the sunset on a technology which could save lives.[a day go bye..]
they call that "EVIL" and Culpable or responsible for the consequences...
@93
if you truly are sitting on techs that could save lives ....and made deals with the "Investors" so as to advance their Coffers
It is no surprise to me at all that you get dark visits from Mysterious entities..
Tesla was said to have this problem too.....
Oh and please don't share your scary nightmare guy stories here ...or at least post a warning/disclaimer so I don't read it ...
there's something under my Bed Now :o :o
@
@93
a poet and I didn't no et... ?
I am reminded of a quote I once heard which I have kept close to my thought process
perhaps it will help you focus on the doable things which are truly within your reach !
not to say it is an excuse for inactivity ...no we can always muster "activity" its just are we being productive towards our goal ?
here is the simple Quote
"grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change ..
The courage to change the things I can..
and the wisdom to know the difference ..
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well 93 looking around the room you know you are among fellows that take big bites outa life
with few restrictions on what we can do....
you gotta bring more to the table around here than words and scary night time stories.
and just for additional clarity ..
If you are indeed holding back information which you feel could save humanity ??
or even one life ..
THATS ON YOU BUD !!
In this house [and a few others]there are men that would crawl thru fire and broken Glass to get that knowledge
to where it is needed most
and it has nothing to do with Business..
End of story !!
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 26, 2016, 07:15:55 PM
I AM IN HERE
https://youtu.be/02RzFSLjWmE
Yeap, you sure are.
You can come out now. ;D
Billy who ? did you say Billy Liar ? ;) ;) didn't his wife produce a dust bin lid type UFO on TV and the blond Brill girl wasn't she of some U S talent show he took a fancy too ?
That Guy must have made a fortune out of dust bin lids ;) ;)
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 27, 2016, 08:15:52 AM
Mr Gray
As mad as it sounds there is a lot of truth to the story ! I have had an encounter from a human type intelligence of this kind but I never got a rid in a space craft ...
the part of the story as re records of human history going back 24 000 years is what interests me the most ! Also there are to many highly advanced constructs dating before and around that time period ! All needed high powered cutting diamond tools and you don't get them unless you can grow them or cut them ....
Who ever and what ever these advanced beings were they are not the ones that we are threated with now ! The ones we now face are very strange ! They can be solid or in fact wave and are invisible to the eye you can only become like that if you have evolved at the plank level or from another parallel dimension made from dark matter ...
In one sense there like ghosts with technology ! There metamorphic ability is something that gives them an advantage we are going to find very difficult to get our heads round.
My guides are warning me of a grate event soon to take place sometime very soon, possible march or April this year ! I would strongly advise everyone to build there generators asap .
What has Billy Miers , the wilts Q E G generator, no one can get to work and the pp3 ring generator all got in common ? you're an intelligent bloke ;)
Have you seen this UFO from 1952 ? removed
So what is it we should be building ? I haven't had the diagnosiums as yet ;)
AG
Making a bit of progress!
Gravity, Yes it's realy wighing me down ;)
Exactly how many have made declorations and signed up so far ?
and what do you mean declairingassets ?
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 27, 2016, 11:29:15 AM
THIS IS GRAVITY
Nope that is a picture with color squares and boxes on it.
Quote from: Nink on January 27, 2016, 02:53:34 PM
Nope that is a picture with color squares and boxes on it.
Progress is that like a tart in a mini skirt ?
well some one has printed a herringbone tartan to make the skirt out of, he, he !AG
I got an email demanding not to supply real free energy technology and never to detail gravity ?
I'd just love a brand-spanking Fisher and Paykel direct drive!
Ultimate proof looks as if it's getting towards the endangered species
category.
This is what my dog thinks happens with a ferrocell.
An actual picture of me,an old worn-out farmer.
It's very wet here.
Minnie
Where are you what country.. ??
Acca...
btw I am Polish and lived in the UK for ten years in Aylssbury..
link to photos..
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aylesbury,+Buckinghamshire,+UK/@51.8197369,-0.8156261,3a,75y,59h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1syXapkLMSDiCvwTjoiPDCiQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DyXapkLMSDiCvwTjoiPDCiQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D59.103512%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x487657882dadcdbd:0xd81b10fa587ffbb3!6m1!1e1?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aylesbury,+Buckinghamshire,+UK/@51.8197369,-0.8156261,3a,75y,59h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1syXapkLMSDiCvwTjoiPDCiQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DyXapkLMSDiCvwTjoiPDCiQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D59.103512%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x487657882dadcdbd:0xd81b10fa587ffbb3!6m1!1e1?hl=en)[/font]
Nice Deere... drove one like that when I was a kid on the farm. What model is that? Ours was an 8850. I was driving that from 10 years old. We also had several smaller ones.
Acca, U.K. Not too far from Stratford upon Avon.
Cycle, thought you must be a down-to-earth sort
of fellow. I really appreciate your contribution and
I'm sort of getting an idea-but it's not so easy when
one's getting older. I.e. go upstairs for something
and forget what you went for. I find remembering
the meaning of new words a challenge and am
often using a dictionary
Quote from: minnie on January 29, 2016, 07:35:06 AM
Ultimate proof looks as if it's getting towards the endangered species category.
This is what my dog thinks happens with a ferrocell.
Almost... except the magnetic "lines of flux" (what we now know are virtual photons) don't really
want to travel from pole face to pole face, and in fact, the great majority of them don't. The most energetically conservative path is as I described prior, out of the anti-vortex (centrifugal) repulsive interface on one of the pole faces, into the QVZPE field, out of the QVZPE field, into the vortex (centripetal) attractive interface on the same pole face, then through the magnet to repeat the process on the opposite pole face.
Remember, a conventional magnet has interspersed throughout it what we can consider to be
two magnets... the magnetic material isn't strong enough to resist the magnetic force, so some of the domains unpin and flip to lower the internal energy of the magnet. Thus, we have two predominant magnetic domain directions. This is why you can cut a magnet and still have a N and a S pole in each cut piece.
Because of the above, there are actually two vortexes on each pole face... the Repulsive centrifugal, or what is known as the anti-vortex; and the Attractive centripetal, or what is known as the vortex. Personally, I think 'vortex' and 'anti-vortex' are poor choices of words, as it allows too much confusion with the other applications of the word 'vortex'. Anyway, the Attractive interface pulls virtual photon flux into the magnet from the QVZPE field, the Repulsive interface throws off virtual photon flux, which is then subsumed back into the QVZPE field.
Because magnets directly stress the QVZPE field in this way, and because the QVZPE field is literally the fabric of space-time, the effect is that the Attractive interface in the center of each pole face speeds up time and contracts space, whereas the Repulsive interface on the pole face perimeter slows down time and expands space.
The only reason we see any magnetic flux going "pole to pole" is because of the Bloch Wall... that's where the two opposing magnetic domain directions interspersed throughout a magnet meet and mutually cancel, the magnetic domains in the Bloch Wall region are 'canted' away from the two predominant magnetic domain directions, giving the Bloch Wall essentially a random magnetization, thus we can consider it "unmagnetized".
Because of this "canting", some of the virtual photon flux is thrown off / drawn in at the Bloch Wall, coercing some of the magnetic flux from the pole faces into arcing toward the Bloch Wall. In reality, almost none of the magnetic flux goes pole face to pole face, what we're seeing is magnetic flux arcing between each pole face and the Bloch Wall. If we were to wrap a magnet's Bloch Wall region in a thick layer of diamagnetic material such as bismuth to block the flux thrown off / drawn in there, you'd see that there is almost no magnetic flux pole-face to pole-face. You'd likely also notice that since your magnet is now forced to channel all the virtual photon flux where it's supposed to go rather than frittering some of it away at the Bloch Wall, the magnetic force at the pole faces is stronger.
Here's where I discuss this in more detail, as well as propose an idea for exploiting the magnetic flux to create a motionless electrical generator:
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2576.msg35033#msg35033
What we're seeing in ferrocell are real photons. I came across the magneto optic
Kerr effect.
Somewhere I came across the idea that virtual photons probably couldn't be
observed as such and were a means of making calculations.
Can anything useful be deduced from big examples such as Earth's field,Sun's field
or Galactic and inter Galactic fields?
In nature things mostly take a path of least resistance.
Went to Open-Source-Energy and did a bit of reading and I'm getting,
or hope I'm getting some idea of QVZPE field density.
It's all very exciting stuff "You wouldn't read it in a book" is a favourite
saying of one of my daughters, I think that would be applicable here.
Quote from: minnie on January 29, 2016, 05:04:45 PM
What we're seeing in ferrocell are real photons. I came across the magneto optic Kerr effect.
Somewhere I came across the idea that virtual photons probably couldn't be observed as such and were a means of making calculations.
Can anything useful be deduced from big examples such as Earth's field,Sun's field or Galactic and inter Galactic fields?
In nature things mostly take a path of least resistance.
Yes, the magnetohydrodynamic cell utilizes photons in the visible range... although I'd like to see what it'd look like with much higher frequencies used, then downshifted so we could see them. Like using infrared LEDs and a FLIR camera, but much higher frequency than that... x-rays or gamma rays, maybe.
Remember, magnets are temporal in nature, the two interfaces on each pole face directly stress the QVZPE field, and the QVZPE field is, quite literally, the fabric of space-time. The Repulsive (centrifugal; anti-vortex) interface expands space and slows down time. The Attractive (centripetal; vortex) interface contracts space and speeds up time. Thus, when viewing the magnetic field, we're viewing a "time-slice" of the magnetic field as it spirals out ahead and behind our time frame. The higher the frequency used to "view" the magnetic field, the smaller the "time slice" viewed. So if we use a very high frequency and vary it up and down, we could create a composite image of the entire magnetic field, captured in still-motion, sort of like putting a timing light on an engine.
Anyway, "virtual photons" aren't actually photons. Just like everything else, they're a perturbation in the QVZPE field. If one were to use constructive interference to build up a "wave" of these virtual photons, the first thing we'd see concretized out of the QVZPE field is a photon, as it contains the lowest quanta of energy allowable in the universe, thus we think of and call them "virtual photons" even though they're not really photons... you can think of them as "potential photons".
We say they're the medium which mediates magnetism, but in reality, the QVZPE field mediates magnetism, and the magnetic flux we call "virtual photons" are merely a "pattern" in the QVZPE field because of magnetism.
I've already discussed the two interfaces on each pole face of a magnet, and I've discussed separating out the Attractive and Repulsive interfaces so they no longer mutually cancel each other. I believe when I'm finally able to get around to doing so, for a strong enough magnet, we'll see real photons emanating from the Repulsive interfaces merely because that energy flow is no longer being canceled by the Attractive interfaces, and would thus be adding energy to the QVZPE field in a localized spot enough to concretize photons much as Chalmers University did using Dynamical Casimir Effect in 2011.
What I learned today:
The universe is a "three-layer cake", with matter as the highest entropy form of energy, the QVZPE field being a less entropic form of energy, and the energy traversing the QVZPE field being the least entropic. Of course, there are outliers... black holes are extremely high entropy, and stars are extremely low entropy, which represents a dichotomy, so I'll leave those for later studying.
The energy traversing the QVZPE field spreads out in space after it exits a star, and thus its entropy increases... eventually it's entropic enough that it becomes part of the QVZPE field. Thought of another way, the stars are hot plasma, the QVZPE field is an extension of the stars, a cold plasma.
Matter is an attempt by the universe to reach its highest entropy state, but it cannot do so easily because of probability and the rules the universe must operate by.
An aside:
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Living beings such as us represent another oddity of the universe... we're low-entropy, yet we're made of matter, which is high-entropy. So what made life occur, when the tendency of the universe is toward higher entropy? And why did life start from high-entropy matter, rather than low-entropy energy? It's a puzzle that life as we know it even began at all.
But, because the universe attempts to reach its highest entropy state but cannot easily do so because of the underlying fundamental rules by which the universe is forced to operate, it instead attempts to reach its lowest
free energy state.
https://gravityandlevity.wordpress.com/2009/05/02/when-nature-plays-skee-ball-the-meaning-of-free-energy/
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So what's so special about free energy? It is the combination of energy and entropy that balances the effects of probability decreasing with energy and probability increasing with the number of possible combinations. Saying "a system settles into its state of minimum free energy" is just a way of saying "a system assumes its state of maximum probability."
And the above quote is
why the universe is a "three layer cake" of matter, QVZPE field, and energy traversing the QVZPE field... and the reason why the universe is expanding. Because the probability of concretizing more mass is low under prevalent universal conditions, the only other option for the universe to relieve the field radiation pressure of that energy being thrown off by stars, entropying and becoming part of the QVZPE field is to expand.
Now, as to stars and black holes... two polar opposite extreme examples, stars being very low entropy, and black holes being very highly entropic. Both are affected by gravity, to differing levels. So apparently gravity affects the probability distribution of the universe by skewing it and affecting how probable certain interactions will be.
I'm still trying to analogize the concept...
For extremely high gravity, you get a black hole and highly entropic conditions.
For moderately high gravity, you get a star and extremely low entropic conditions.
For low gravity, you get mass accumulation and moderately entropic conditions.
For no gravity, you get... ???
I'm confused here because I'm assuming that stars are matter (given that plasma is considered to be matter), but for some reason, gravity causes an increase in entropy for regular mass and for black holes, whereas it causes a decrease of entropy for stars (ie: gravity has overridden molecular repulsion and forced fusion)... but a black hole is essentially a star on steroids, with gravity so great that the light from fusion cannot even escape... black holes are plasma just as a star is. So why does gravity cause a star's entropy to decrease, whereas it causes a black hole's entropy to increase?
Much more studying to do.
SINGLE SLIT EXPERIMENT: Part 1 Dismissing "wave particle duality" Quantum Quackery
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpcQNYa3VZ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpcQNYa3VZ8)
Quote from: sadang on January 30, 2016, 03:51:06 PM
SINGLE SLIT EXPERIMENT: Part 1 Dismissing "wave particle duality" Quantum Quackery
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpcQNYa3VZ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpcQNYa3VZ8)
I noticed this as the page was reloading and before your post was hidden by the Bozo Bin code, so I'll reply real quick...
Wheeler yet again has discovered nothing, he's not saying anything new, he's not discrediting QM, QFT or QED (and is in fact corroborating all of them), and I suspect he's being disingenuous in his claims of discrediting QM, given that he should know that any single-slit of a width several times the wavelength will result in a diffraction interference pattern, whereas a single-slit of a width equal to or less than the wavelength will not... just as he should know that a well-defined obstruction to an electromagnetic wave acts as a secondary source, and creates a new wavefront. This new wavefront propagates into the geometric shadow area of the obstacle. The propagation of light in Quantum Field Theory actually is consistent with the very interpretation of the Huygens-Fresnel Principle.
If you look at the Huygens-Fresnel Principle (this concept's been known about since 1678, expanded upon by Fresnel in 1816), you'll find that each wavelength of light interferes with itself... any point on any peak of any particular wave acts as a point of diffraction, the sum of constructive and destructive interference of all these arbitrary points of diffraction resulting in the next wave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle)
https://youtu.be/7CmbItRjM-Y (https://youtu.be/7CmbItRjM-Y)
https://youtu.be/T-kgoxhFSmU (https://youtu.be/T-kgoxhFSmU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D8cPrEAGyc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D8cPrEAGyc)
As for his shining a laser against a pin, that's an inverse case of the single-slit diffraction case. It's called the Knife-Edge Effect, and is explained by the Hugyens-Fresnel Principle explained above.
If people weren't so uneducated and gullible, they'd not fall for Mr. Wheeler's BS. In point of fact, the Huygens-Fresnel Principle was the forerunner of and impetus for modern quantum electrodynamics, and in fact, Einstein debated Walther Ritz on the concept, taking the stance that the Huygens-Fresnel Principle was necessary for the quantum concept of a photon.
So in effect, Mr. Wheeler just corroborated Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Field Theory and Quantum Electrodynamics. Thanks for that, Mr. Wheeler. Is that not what you wanted to do? Perhaps you should think through what you're going to stomp your feet about before you start stomping.
Yes indeed. Thoughts and thoughts! Concepts and concepts. Terms and terms. Principles and principles. Some shape a reality, other shape another one. This is what you can't comprehend and will never agree with. It would have been better if you had done abstraction of my message. It was not meant for you.
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 30, 2016, 11:24:14 PM
So no quantum field and the universe is a cake ? Do you guys do physics ? Or are you attempting to create a new language in stupidity ? All these photon slit experiments you see on YouTube are in fact a load of crap ! They are not showing the Copenhagen principle of experimental data or replicating the quantum effect ... Yet you seem to think they are ?
And the universe is a 3 layer cake ? Are you the cherry on the cake or just the fruit and nut inside it ? Lets all re invent the universe into cakes and completely re invent the Copenhagen effect with a laser through a pin head ....
The term quantum quackery ? Is that the name of the DR that has taken a special interest in the both of you ? Are you two not eating your greens ? Ok lets re invent Mars and turn it into a rubber duck and than we can attempt to hit it with a laser that has been obstructed with a stupid pin head ...
I suppose the moon was made by the liquid drop method and formed a perfect geometry of the 9 just by chance and its made of cheese a burger and some side salad ..
I was thinking of re inventing humanity and turning it into a fetish party of freaks and 3 headed zombies that some how got threaded through a pin head and ended up in a 3 layer cake called the universe. What if we just re invent the periodic table and call it a coffee table.
When does it stop ?????? why cant you just leave it alone !! STOP RE INVENTING THE UNIVERSE !!
Stop takin life too seriously, it will do you no good, and your life is a joke, because of the simple fact you simply an't get out of it Alive !
And it would seam an observed photon does what it likes ! ;) see what i mean, be the optamist grass hopper !
Quote from: Atommix93rdAtom1 on January 31, 2016, 12:31:30 AM
How a photon is conserved by time !
When we study the slit experiment as it is done in the original Copenhagen experiment we except that the photon is creating a mirror image of its self we don't attempt to change the results we just except them and look for why the results show up as they do...
But like 99% of the dummies that seek the answer they forget to include that the galaxy is accelerating at around 1/3 the speed of light before we send into the slit a single photon .. We also ignore that the wave duality of the photon is being compressed as it enters the slit and the photon than experiences a gain in energy and as the energy conservation rule kicks in 2 or more photons are created .... FACT NOT FICTION ...
Here in my drawing you see why we get 2 photons and its the excepted result and not a make it up as you go one ! Time dilation sends the photon back in time to tis starting position and now we have 2 photons to look at but in fact there is only one in motion ..........
Now if the galaxy was accelerating at 2/3 rds the speed of light we would get 3 photons ect ect ect ...... Not bad ! Did you know if you were standing at a distance equal to the speed of light say 750 000 000 miles and there was only a single photon in the universe the whole universe would be full of photons .... FACT !
There would be no interference yet the whole universe would be full of photons and is due to time dilation ..........................
So take a closer look include time the conservation of energy and time and don't for get if I compress you through a slit your going to come out a lot faster than when you went in OK ..
Photons can not go faster than the speed of gravity and is why photons have a speed limit ! But a galaxy can travel many times the speed of light ... Why is that ?
So please stop re inventing classical physics just use it as the foundation to stand on or you will always be defeated by me !
Err is it because a photon needs a electron to attach it self to and an electron likes to fart arse about makin magnetic waves on it's journey, and that slows it right down, summut like that ! but I'm sure you will come up with a real smart arse answer like some smart arse called Marconi fafed about with Tesler's patents so he could get his own patents so he used 'transverse waves but they are slower re magnetism / gravity but Longitudinal scalar waves are instantiations any where in the known galaxy cus they don't !! re Eric Dollard ;) Oliver Heavyside is the guy to read up on, but be warned get his own version or it's doctored !
Quote from: AlienGrey on January 31, 2016, 04:41:41 AM
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So no quantum field and the universe is a cake ? Do you guys do physics ? Or are you attempting to create a new language in stupidity ? All these photon slit experiments you see on YouTube are in fact a load of crap ! They are not showing the Copenhagen principle of experimental data or replicating the quantum effect ... Yet you seem to think they are ?
And the universe is a 3 layer cake ? Are you the cherry on the cake or just the fruit and nut inside it ? Lets all re invent the universe into cakes and completely re invent the Copenhagen effect with a laser through a pin head ....
The term quantum quackery ? Is that the name of the DR that has taken a special interest in the both of you ? Are you two not eating your greens ? Ok lets re invent Mars and turn it into a rubber duck and than we can attempt to hit it with a laser that has been obstructed with a stupid pin head ...
I suppose the moon was made by the liquid drop method and formed a perfect geometry of the 9 just by chance and its made of cheese a burger and some side salad ..
I was thinking of re inventing humanity and turning it into a fetish party of freaks and 3 headed zombies that some how got threaded through a pin head and ended up in a 3 layer cake called the universe. What if we just re invent the periodic table and call it a coffee table.
When does it stop ?????? why cant you just leave it alone !! STOP RE INVENTING THE UNIVERSE !!
Stop takin life too seriously, it will do you no good, and your life is a joke, because of the simple fact you simply an't get out of it Alive !
And it would seam an observed photon does what it likes ! ;) see what i mean, be the optamist grass hopper !
I guess some people lose touch with reality and start babbling when they see an analogy. ;D
Atom ....
Now that was a very good explanation of the slit experiment...
You are dead on ...
As to the photons arriving on Earth from a distant galaxy with a speed limit... Correct also..
Here is validation of time alteration with a low pressure plasma
You need a fusor type setup and a modulated AC HV 1000hz to 50 khz to drive the plasma in to standing waves
then look for striations in the plasma emission.. Vary the frequency + or minus 1Khz don't stand next to the device
find the most striation for the maximum power and let it sit there...
Run this set up for about 1 to 2 hours, then as plug on the power supply...
By running this device you will compress local time in the effected area , like a light bulb over your table
depending how much power you have, the greater the effect and the more of these independent units you
have you now will create a spherical time bubble and the closer the center of the tube the faster compression
will occur.. When you pull the plug, power drops and so the expanded time will re-balance creating a shock
wave.. Like train hitting a your house.. however no physical damage..
Try it it's real..
Acca...
The difference between madness and a genus is a dogma...
Atom....
Look this forum is like a public loo... (that is a toilet for americans)..
Every has to use it sooner or later...
And in like that loo one can pick up nasty parasites that will attempt to suck out your blood ..
So any contact you make here like that toilet seat you have to hover above the hole...
Don't make contact here.. it's unhealthy for ideas .. find another clean private loo...
and now here is the photo of plasma stripes..
TIME ... compression ..
Warren York discovery...
Plasma modulated alters local time ...
Acca...
http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/articles/Cold-Plasma-Beam-2006.pdf (http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/articles/Cold-Plasma-Beam-2006.pdf)[/font]
Atom ...
Time is energy.. aghhhaaaaaaa.. it's real too...
Acca...
Atom......
You are really brilliant... as I have said it in the past...
Green laser has the right frequency.. it's also an infrared emitter...
In the effected area strange things happen to materials, quartz crystal will get soft or harder depending
which way the polarity of time is running ...
One of the effects is that the glass container is "not there" it's like a membrane soft... I can insert in to
the container materials.. the glass container sometimes fades out.. strange.. and the video camera is not
usable.. I need a 8 mm silver nitrate film camera with a mechanical winder, no electronics, sucks power out
of batteries very fast or it's dead.. Your points are very valid Atom..
Again Thanks, please let me know if you are interested in this research .. now mind you this time alteration
is only small bubble of an affected area.. It is not what science fiction portraying like a movie
Back to the future..
I will buy all the needed parts to
video record the event.. (problem recording see below)..
I want your involvement in this effort...
From now on please use the private part of this forum as I don't need resident trolls involved..
So as to power generators, what is needed is units to power Colorado pot industries in Denver..
There is money for your generator in Denver... Pot operators are sucking allot of power for their grow
operations ..Local Excel power company is in hog heaven ... They need to be off the grid and to lower
pot prices so more Americans can stoned... and stupid citizens are easy to manipulate.
Thank God... for legal pot ... Denver Colorado USA.. the real mile high city.. for real...
Acca..
P.S.
pot really makes you slow and dull...
and the citizens of Colorado are using that money for their education of their kids..
and kids chew gummy bears with hash oil and eat cookies laced with it.. and get bad grades and
need more education and more more money.. and more pot operations ...
The world is really screwed up ...
The ultimate proof nearly fell off the page.
That is one happy cow too..
Acca..
Coaxial Circuit that is LIGHT. Erasing nonsense of "emitting light" and the lie of "speed of light"
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VPBZfpevpI
What I'd like to know is why is Einstein an idiot.
One can't very easily side-step SR. I'd like to
know how Kelly does it?
Or is it that Einstein "pinched" others' work
and S.R. is O.K?
Quote from: sadang on February 04, 2016, 07:52:43 AM
Coaxial Circuit that is LIGHT. Erasing nonsense of "emitting light" and the lie of "speed of light"
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VPBZfpevpI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VPBZfpevpI)
Another hilarious mishmash of "experimentation" from the Great Tattooed Genius! LOL.... this guy wouldn't know a proper experimental setup if he somehow woke up next to one, one afternoon. And now he's asking for MONEY..... what's the matter Kenny, not getting revenue from your patented Posture Chair for Fat People any more? LOL....
Meanwhile, the universe all around us, and the apparatuses we use daily, LIKE COMPUTERS, refute his silly contentions every time we type a character or listen to a radio.
QuoteOthers may scoff at this suggestion...[of] communicat[ing] with one of our heavenly neighbors, as Mars...or treat it as a practical joke, but I have been in deep earnest about it every since I made my first observations in Colorado Springs... At the time, there existed no wireless plant other than mine that could produce a disturbance perceptible in a radius of more than a few miles. Furthermore, the conditions under which I operated were ideal, and I was well trained for the work. The character of the disturbances recorded precluded the possibility of their being of terrestrial origin, and I also eliminated the influence of the sun, moon, and Venus. As I then announced, the signals consisted in a regular repetition of numbers, and subsequent study convinced me that they must have emanated from Mars, the planet having just then been close to the earth.
- Nikola Tesla
Tesla believed he was receiving signals from intelligent beings on Mars. This, of course, has been disproven. Nobody has yet disproven Einstein's SR or GR, and in fact these theories find practical applications every day. Got GPS? Then you are using Einstein's relativity in practical application. Do any deepspace astronomy yourself? Then you can detect effects that prove the truth of relativity, in distant space, from your own backyard.
What is really hilarious is that no device in use today nor the Universe itself refute the existence of ether, on the contrary reinforces its existence. But this require to bend a little more on causes not on effects. On qualities not on attributes. On explanations not on descriptions. Or finally to change the reference system, to see things from another perspective.
Continuing to maintain that the current scientific laws which are based on a matter which is only 99,99^10-12 from the Universe's volume, represent the rules that govern the entire Universe is a real insane. Even if we add the known fields concepts, the missing part of Universe volume is huge. So then, which situation is more hilarious? Ken's theory or current so called scientific theory that we were educated with? And which of course shape continuously the current reality, using our own minds and hands without even us to be aware of this! Can you comprehend that?
- "When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense" said Leonard Susskind, professor of theoretical physics, and priest of the cult of Quantum. No, this is the wrong way. The real way is to understand the limits imposed by the "common sense" and must have the dare to go back at the origins.
I think if you look at "JK plasma magnetics experiment 1" (Tinsel Koala)
on YouTube that little demo gives a much better picture than Kelly's silly
Ferrocell images that Kelly doesn't even explain in a satisfactorily.
@sadang
Have a look at Dirac's Equation.
I wouldn't expect anyone to fully comprehend its meaning, so look for Don L. Hotson's explanation. He wrote three nice articles that make more sense than I have come across in years.
The truth is out there, but expect to muck yourself up in a lot of BS first.
@ Dog-One
I did not read yet these articles and I'll do in next days, in my spare time. However the Dirac sea of negative energy is a well known subject for seekers of free energy.
- http://openseti.org/Docs/HotsonPart1.pdf
- http://openseti.org/Docs/HotsonPart2.pdf
I just have to emphasize that even with this theory that somehow fill the missing volume of the Universe, it still work with discrete and quantifiable values which don't go deeper than Plank's level. And the truth of "common sense" should tell each one interested to understand more than just waste time with hard math, that before to have something which can be quantified, there should be something else, a seed with continuum characteristic. Continuum not static!
@ minie
The question is Kelly don't explain correct or are you unable to understand it? An ionized gas is not the same thing as an ferrofluid.
It's so nice that I am not the only one who reads http://www.infinite-energy.com/ (http://www.infinite-energy.com/)
Acca...
as you have posted in the pdf files by Hotson..
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No Acca, you are not the only one! I recommend you other two magazines; New Energy Magazine and Journal of New Energy. And of course and why not, the Physical Review, Science Magazin and Scientific American. And others that are too freaky for common sense people!
Again Thanks for the Hotson links it's been a while since I have read them...
Acca...
Trouble with Kelly and his supporter is that they use selected bits of
proven science yet totally ignore other also proven facts as it suits
their ideas.
Is it really necessary for Kelly to use all that derogatory language in
his videos?
An overall problem with people is they are full of dogmatic certitudes! You have to learn that first look at information not at people. That's what matter!
It's taken me 60 odd years to gain some idea about the meaning of
mass-energy equivalence and SR.
I didn't ever grasp the cause of induction 'til MarkE explained it to
me.
What I need now is for someone to explain Kelly's diagram to me.
Perhaps TinselKoala or Poynt99 or some other kind soul could enlighten
me on the meaning of things like Ether field modalities etc.
Thank you in anticipation, John.
Quote from: minnie on February 07, 2016, 04:27:45 PM
It's taken me 60 odd years to gain some idea about the meaning of
mass-energy equivalence and SR.
I didn't ever grasp the cause of induction 'til MarkE explained it to
me.
What I need now is for someone to explain Kelly's diagram to me.
Perhaps TinselKoala or Poynt99 or some other kind soul could enlighten
me on the meaning of things like Ether field modalities etc.
Thank you in anticipation, John.
"Ether Field Modalities" is the name given by an ignorant dreamer with Dunning-Kruger syndrome, to things he'd like to be able to understand but cannot, since he is blinded by his own brilliance. All you can do with "ether field modalities" is draw fancy coloured lines on graphics, which don't represent any coherent reality. There is nothing that can be engineered using these fantasy confabulations and they have no rigorous mathematical treatment underlying them. In stark contrast to the conventional physical concepts that are in everyday use and describe the principles by which things like computers, particle accelerators, and spacecraft, to name but a few, are designed and operated.
But I think you know this already.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 07, 2016, 07:19:00 PM
"Ether Field Modalities" is the name given by an ignorant dreamer with Dunning-Kruger syndrome, to things he'd like to be able to understand but cannot, since he is blinded by his own brilliance. All you can do with "ether field modalities" is draw fancy coloured lines on graphics, which don't represent any coherent reality. There is nothing that can be engineered using these fantasy confabulations and they have no rigorous mathematical treatment underlying them. In stark contrast to the conventional physical concepts that are in everyday use and describe the principles by which things like computers, particle accelerators, and spacecraft, to name but a few, are designed and operated.
But I think you know this already.
Not to mention that Mr. Wheeler's diagram depicting his fictitious "dielectric plane" shows all inward arrows... if the magnetic field were coherent in the inward direction at the Bloch Wall region, it would be a (duh) coherent magnetic field... yet it was Mr. Wheeler himself who showed us a photo of him holding a ferrofluid device across the Bloch Wall, showing the ferrofluid attracted toward either end of the magnet, but
not attracted to the Bloch Wall region.
In reality, a magnet has
two "magnets" interspersed throughout it. Our imperfect magnetic material cannot withstand the internal magnetic stress, so some of the domains unpin and flip to minimize the magnet's internal energy. Thus, interspersed throughout a conventional magnet are two predominant magnetic domain directions.
This is why you can cut a magnet and have a N and S pole in each cut piece, not some wholly invented notion of "field incommensurability".
The Bloch Wall region is where the two predominant magnetic domain directions in a conventional magnet meet and mutually cancel. They cancel by "canting" the domains at the Bloch Wall region at angles to the two predominant magnetic domain directions, thus creating an essentially random magnetization, and thus it can be considered to be "unmagnetized", just as the random magnetic domains in unmagnetized iron is considered to be "unmagnetized". That's
why the ferrofluid in Mr. Wheeler's picture acts the way it does... it's more attracted toward the poles, it's not attracted to the essentially unmagnetized Bloch Wall region, so the ferrofluid tends to "bunch up" at either end and have a thin spot over the Bloch Wall region because of that "bunching up" drawing ferrofluid away from the Bloch Wall region.
But no one will be able to get it through Mr. Wheeler's thick skull that he's completely, utterly, hilariously wrong about the overwhelming majority of his hobby theory. He's convinced himself he's smarter than everyone else, despite his ample demonstrations right in this very thread that he's likely the most clueless person on the forum.
I find it extremely funny that his latest "demonstration", his "single-slit experiment", not only didn't disprove QM, QED or QFT, it corroborated it.
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg472718/#msg472718
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SINGLE SLIT EXPERIMENT: Part 1 Dismissing "wave particle duality" Quantum Quackery
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpcQNYa3VZ8
I noticed this as the page was reloading and before your post was hidden by the Bozo Bin code, so I'll reply real quick...
Wheeler yet again has discovered nothing, he's not saying anything new, he's not discrediting QM, QFT or QED (and is in fact corroborating all of them), and I suspect he's being disingenuous in his claims of discrediting QM, given that he should know that any single-slit of a width several times the wavelength will result in a diffraction interference pattern, whereas a single-slit of a width equal to or less than the wavelength will not... just as he should know that a well-defined obstruction to an electromagnetic wave acts as a secondary source, and creates a new wavefront. This new wavefront propagates into the geometric shadow area of the obstacle. The propagation of light in Quantum Field Theory actually is consistent with the very interpretation of the Huygens-Fresnel Principle.
If you look at the Huygens-Fresnel Principle (this concept's been known about since 1678, expanded upon by Fresnel in 1816), you'll find that each wavelength of light interferes with itself... any point on any peak of any particular wave acts as a point of diffraction, the sum of constructive and destructive interference of all these arbitrary points of diffraction resulting in the next wave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle
https://youtu.be/7CmbItRjM-Y
https://youtu.be/T-kgoxhFSmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D8cPrEAGyc
As for his shining a laser against a pin, that's an inverse case of the single-slit diffraction case. It's called the Knife-Edge Effect, and is explained by the Hugyens-Fresnel Principle explained above.
If people weren't so uneducated and gullible, they'd not fall for Mr. Wheeler's BS. In point of fact, the Huygens-Fresnel Principle was the forerunner of and impetus for modern quantum electrodynamics, and in fact, Einstein debated Walther Ritz on the concept, taking the stance that the Huygens-Fresnel Principle was necessary for the quantum concept of a photon.
So in effect, Mr. Wheeler just corroborated Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Field Theory and Quantum Electrodynamics. Thanks for that, Mr. Wheeler. Is that not what you wanted to do? Perhaps you should think through what you're going to stomp your feet about before you start stomping.
Exactly as I said:
Quote from: sadang on February 07, 2016, 05:24:05 AM
An overall problem with people is they are full of dogmatic certitudes! You have to learn that first look at information not at people. That's what matter!
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Lesson 6 - dielectric inertial plane:
- dielectric inertial plane is the counterspatial XY-axis of non-opposition between magnetic circular reciprocation centrifugally and centripetally, which create, as is necessitated, binary CW and CCW field lines of motional disturbance. At the dielectric inertial line the two reciprocating magnetic field gradients are nullified and in equilibrium
- dielectric inertial plane is incommensurate within ANY and ALL magnets, as any child can prove in cutting a magnet along
the dielectric plane a trillion times (if it was possible) you will have a trillion more magnets with CW and CCW spin on either side and in the middle between the two a dielectric inertial plane, a "Bloch wall" in incorrect parlance. However in cutting a magnet even once perpendicular to the inertial plane you will not have moved the inertial plane, only bifurcated it in division (not actual division) between two new masses
- dielectric inertial plane is the rebounding point, acting like reflectors for the Ether bubble as meant the magnetic pressure CW and CCW movements
- dielectric inertial plane is the equator of a gravitational sphere, which can be seen from any field-viewing medium
Lesson 5 - dielectricity:
- dielectricity is the fundamental Ether-modality of the entire cosmos
- dielectricity is the Ether under torsion and torque at its inertial plane
- dielectricity is counterspace
- dielectricity is the Ether boundary, the inertial plane, and the membrane at which only another conjugate polarized field can torque to create other phenomena
- dielectricity is counterspatial, is centripetal, is inertial and does not act on (most) other phenomena
- dielectricity is the conjugate of magnetism
- dielectricity is a versor in counterspace
- dielectricity is greater inverse to the space
- dielectricity is counterspatial, inertial, radial, and centripetal
- dielectricity is electropositive
- dielectricity is necessitatively divergent in discharge in an expanding circulatory fashion
- dielectricity is to gravitation as electricity is to magnetism
- dielectricity is the point causation for the creation of mass/gravity
- dielectricity is a superluminal radial and counterspatial inertial plane in the inter-atomic
Lesson 1 - ether:
- Ether is counterspace, and likewise cannot be IN SPACE, rather space is within the Ether when manifest in phenomena or polarized
- Ether is the inertial plane whose XYZ-axis is at every "point" in which space can be found within the Ether but not the inverse, but of course this Ether precedes space itself and defines space which is co-relational only to magnitudes (not mass, which is the domain of the Ether) and time
- Ether is the "ultimate" medium (Tesla often interchanged the term "medium" with "Ether") - being a perfect "fluid" and transporting independent carriers
- Ether is always trying to terminate back into counterspace, its origin and fulcrum, it is only by reciprocation, movements and countless other phenomena that it is "kept" in space (for a short while, but an eternity as measured by the life of any human)
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Or as I already said:
Quote from: sadang on February 04, 2016, 05:45:15 PM
What is really hilarious is that no device in use today nor the Universe itself refute the existence of ether, on the contrary reinforces its existence. But this require to bend a little more on causes not on effects. On qualities not on attributes. On explanations not on descriptions. Or finally to change the reference system, to see things from another perspective.
Continuing to maintain that the current scientific laws which are based on a matter which is only 99,99^10-12 from the Universe's volume, represent the rules that govern the entire Universe is a real insane. Even if we add the known fields concepts, the missing part of Universe volume is huge. So then, which situation is more hilarious? Ken's theory or current so called scientific theory that we were educated with? And which of course shape continuously the current reality, using our own minds and hands without even us to be aware of this! Can you comprehend that?
- "When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense" said Leonard Susskind, professor of theoretical physics, and priest of the cult of Quantum. No, this is the wrong way. The real way is to understand the limits imposed by the "common sense" and must have the dare to go back at the origins.
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Or quoting Ken's words: "If you were to reveal the dielectric inertial plane of a magnet with field viewing film to an ancient Platonist, or ancient Egyptian metaphysician, at which there is no magnetism present between the two "poles", he would proclaim forthwith that this was the universal fulcrum sitting at the middle of all space, antinomies, and becoming. But a modern fool existentialist, an Atomist calls this a 'Bloch wall', or domain wall. Descriptions and names are not explanations or understanding, or comprehension. Dielectricity is the fundamental Ether-modality of the entire cosmos."
And don't forget: "Mother Nature does not calculate, does not do math, she only knows of three pairs, spatial-counterspatial, centrifugal-centripetal, and charge-discharge. With these three conjugates, the entire cosmos is painted in full detail. Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi, understand this fact, or you will understand nothing. - Ken"
So now you're going around in circles again, like a doggie chasing its own tail, repeating that gobbledegook again for the, what, third or fourth time? I hope you are at least copy-pasting rather than typing on your COMPUTER, which by the way refutes all of that crap in a single integrated circuit within it.
Go ahead, show me ONE SINGLE OPERATIONAL DEVICE that has been or could be designed using those "ideas", that cannot be fully covered by conventional physics. You cannot! And you never will be able to. Meanwhile, you can't even start your car or buy your breakfast SuperSize Big Mac meal without being refuted at every step of the way.
Your gobbledegook has even less real meaning behind it than photographs of the Cottingley Fairies.
Nature doesn't do math? How easy is it to refute that! Yet in the same breath the irrational worship of phi is stated again. How is it possible for mathematical physics to be the underpinning of all the designed and constructed world around you then? How is it possible to use a simulator like Spice to design complicated electronic circuits and then find that the real circuit behaves exactly as Spice predicts? How is it possible for _human minds_ to do math, if "nature" doesn't do it? Are our minds "unnatural"? What about crows? Even CROWS can do simple arithmetic. I'm amazed that someone who is actually intelligent enough to USE A COMPUTER for something other than a doorstop actually believes silly things like "dielectricity is a versor in counterspace".
QuoteIn geometry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometry) and physics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics), the versor of an axis or of a vector is a unit vector (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_vector) indicating its direction (http://overunity.com/javascript:void(0)).
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The versors of the axes of a Cartesian coordinate system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesian_coordinate_system) are the unit vectors codirectional with the axes of that system. Every Euclidean vector (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_vector) a in a n-dimensional Euclidean space (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_space) (Rn) can be represented as a linear combination (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_combination) of the n versors of the corresponding Cartesian coordinate system.
(and much much more from Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versor_%28physics%29 )
But in Kenny's delusion, a "versor" is just a fancy sounding word, confabulated with "counterspace" and has no real meaning--- because
"Nature doesn't do Math!" What a bunch of nonsense you parrot.
Go ahead.... tell us just why a bismuth sphere placed next to a magnet generates "Genuine Free Energy"....... when actual real experiments prove that it does not.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 08, 2016, 04:22:38 AM
Go ahead.... tell us just why a bismuth sphere placed next to a magnet generates "Genuine Free Energy"....... when actual real experiments prove that it does not.
I'm not sure of any energetic evaluation of Bismuth, in its' diamagnetic plane.
But, I DO know, that if you restrain a sphere of bismuth so it can only rotate perpendicular to the diamagnetic plane, in the presence of a certain arrangement magnetic field(s):
it acts much like a Hamel spinner in reverse.
I don't know if that's any more "genuine" that what Clanzer did in a glass bowl, but that's what happens to bismuth in a ball shape.
TinselKoala, I can say the same thing about you:
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 08, 2016, 04:22:38 AM
So now you're going around in circles again, like a doggie chasing its own tail, repeating that gobbledegook again for the, what, third or fourth time? I hope you are at least copy-pasting rather than typing on your COMPUTER, which by the way refutes all of that crap in a single integrated circuit within it.
If you don't have questions only certitudes, if you don't like to ask yourself deep questions, if you want to understand only a bit more just to make money for day by day living, please stop writing and/or ignore my messages. Place me in your ignore list.
I still work for more than 25 years in a field of electronics, with high frequencies and great impulses and powers, and exactly due to this fact I have a lot more questions than maybe you and others, regarded the fundamental aspects of this world, like what really is magnetism, gravitation, electricity, fields, space, mass, matter, impulse, moment, inertia and so on. I've spent years reading alternative science, from various sources, all these compared and filtered by my own professional and social education. And I can declare very clear, that what you call science is not science at all. It is just a way to shape a reality, from a million other possible ways. A closed circle of concepts, hypotheses of work and math to shape a reality according to these concepts, circle that you are not even aware.
A single integrated circuit work on the same principle (pay attention, I said principle not ways) as work a single cell in human body and/or a single vegetable cell, or a Sun, a galaxy or the entire Universe. Just you don't have the ability do understand that. To comprehend that. Because you are too closed-minded to understand this. Too specialized in a certain field, to have time to lean on other things. You're very well adapted to contemporary society. You're in a way it's ideal result. Unfortunately! And like you are many in these times!
And Descartes is very happy now of his results! Each man on this planet try to smash everything around him, try to split the wire in four to find its internal structure, thinking this way he will understand the whole. What a lack of wisdom!
Doesn't matter if you call that thing in the middle of a magnet a Block wall or a dielectric inertial plane, or anything else. What is important is to understand why it is there! The principle! It is an effect or a cause? That's the reason I emphasize here on this topic, the work of Ken. In a closed circle of thinking as is forced to think the current human society, things are very clear separated as white and black. Or at least they are propagated over years this way, and the education make its job very well, shaping entire generations of people to think so. There is no black and white more than just human concepts, human mind interpretation of a spectra of energies. Interpretations based on education, or as I like to say based on mental blockages al subconscious level, so they are now over centuries seen as instincts and unconditional reactions. The same template can be used for all things known today as opposed, such as life-death, bad-good, breathin-breathout.... They are not opposed at all, they just necessitate each other, as only as complementary things not opposed.
God! I don't know why I waste my time to explain all these to you, because for sure you don't understand them. Or don't want to understand! However, it's fix up to you!
And yes "the dielectricity is a versor of counterspace". Why is so hard to understand that? perhaps because you are scared that if you accept and understand there is no any space besides that one defined by the human mind, you have to reevaluate your entire system of values and references? The counterspace is the seed of the all that you can now comprehend, see, hear, feel, touch and understand. And because I see you like my repetitions, here they are:
Lesson 3 - counterspace:
- Counterspace is literally the space between space itself, the very omnipresent membrane of the Ether which requires conjugate field forces to bring it into space or create electrical or dielectric, or magnetic phenomena, or the even the creation of matter
- counterspace is the fulcrum of phenomena and is the inertial plane, or membrane of the Ether from which all phenomena are manifest in space
- Counterspace is the noumenon, which when disturbed, gives rise to phenomena
- counterspace is the opposite of space
- Counterspace is just a conceptual means of speaking about the Ether plane, where everything is produced, and all fields are based in this "medium". Tesla knew this, Steinmetz, Heaviside, Maxwell, and even the fool Einstein, before he lost his mind, agreed that understanding is impossible without the Ether
- Counterspace is the opposite of any and all movement definitionally, only phenomena (as both meant and implicative of space) have movement, are divergent
And here something from your beloved Maxwell - believe him, not me, if it constitutes a landmark in your education:
"There appears to be in the minds of these (supposed) eminent men, some prejudice, or a priori object against the hypothesis of a medium (the Ether) in which the phenomena of light, electrical actions at a distance take place...the existence of a medium in which light is propagated. But in all these theories (the insane Atomistic ones) the question naturally occurs: If something is transmitted from one particle to another at distance, what is the condition of it after it has left one particle and before it reaches another? If this
something is the potential energy of the two particles, as in Neumann's theory, how are we to conceive of this energy existing in a point of space, coinciding with neither one particle nor the other? In fact, whenever energy is transmitted from one body to another in time, there MUST BE A MEDIUM OR SUBSTANCE IN WHICH THE ENERGY EXISTS after it leaves one body before it reaches the other, for energy, as Torricelli remarked, is a 'quintessence of so subtle a nature that it cannot be contained in ANY vessel except in the inmost substance of a thing (counterspace/ dielectricity, the Ether)'... – J.C. Maxwell Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism vol. II"
And please consider and appreciate the fact that I limit myself to the main theme of this topic, and use quotes from related scientists or non-scientists, otherwise I could fill hundred of pages with things from centuries of unofficial researches on the eseence of things.
sadang...
Remember you are not writing to the bored resident piss-ants here ...
Any time someone writes an extended explanation to answer an attack, one has to consider
which little mind is egging you on to torque you in to "their" direction as a trigger response..
DON'T do it.. !!
However it's very noble to put forth the "time" to composed and set an explanation ...
Remember you have eyes here that look and never get involved .. it's like that spooky eyes in the forest..
Oh Yeah there is that cartoon from Australia about a Koala(s).. stoned bears who eat and sit in a tree all day ..
it's them eyes... get it...
Great article ...
I have learned from your post it's not a lost on me ...
ps. I save such posts and they never go away..
Acca..
About 350 pages and the thing hasn't got much past page one!
After that dreadful video from Kelly and that awful waffle from
Sadang I'm done.
Tell you what,I'll bet old Sadang has to abide by the rules if
he really has a responsible position in advanced electronics.
You don't fool about with six inch thyristors.
The thing has inspired me to look into many things and I really
had no idea how much was known about magnetism.
Nature IS mathematics and geometry as far as I can see and
nature can have as many particles as it needs. I just love the
concept of the QVZPE field even though it does test the imagination
to the limit.
As for me I'll just go on slogging along in the rain and mud (we've
had the wettest winter ever) until I drop dead (I hope).
Warmest regards, John,the decrepit old farmer.
Look... here on the left are pictures of things that have been designed and operated according to the conventional understanding of physics:
(insert photos of _every device imaginable_ from computers to cars to satellites to particle beam lithography machines to John Deere tractors and more)
And here on the right are pictures of things that have been designed and operated according to the hobby theory discussed by Sadang and the Tattoed Genius:
( ) (total blank since nothing has ever been or ever will be)
And I'm still waiting for an explanation of the Bismuth Sphere placed next to a magnet creating Genuine Free Energy.... when experiments prove that it does nothing of the sort.
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QuoteDoesn't matter if you call that thing in the middle of a magnet a Block wall or a dielectric inertial plane, or anything else. What is important is to understand why it is there!
That's another fundamental problem right there. There is nothing in the middle of a bar magnet, nothing! I had that argument with poor EMJ until he finally gave up completely exhausted of ideas.
So perhaps for you that would be step one, get past the myth that there is something in the middle of a bar magnet.
Quote from: MileHigh on February 08, 2016, 11:09:05 PM
That's another fundamental problem right there. There is nothing in the middle of a bar magnet, nothing! I had that argument with poor EMJ until he finally gave up completely exhausted of ideas.
So perhaps for you that would be step one, get past the myth that there is something in the middle of a bar magnet.
Well, actually, there
is something there in the middle of a magnet... it's Mr. Wheeler's humiliation that resides there. For you see, his "dielectric inertial plane" (where he's redefined "dielectricity" to mean "static electricity" and "inertial" to mean "the opposite of rest", therefore "dielectric inertial plane"
must mean "a plane where electricity is generated") doesn't exist.
If it did, we could merely plug in to a magnet to power our toys.
The Bloch Wall is merely a region of the magnet where the two predominant magnetic domain directions in a magnet meet and mutually cancel, which it does as a means of minimizing the internal energy of the magnet (the same underlying reason for the two predominant magnetic domain directions in a magnet).
It does this by 'canting' the magnetic domains in the Bloch Wall region at angles to the two predominant magnetic domain directions, thus the Bloch Wall region 'takes in' and 'throws out' virtual photon flux in the form of Larmor radiation (which we perceive as a magnetic field), in a chaotic manner.
This chaotic orientation of the magnetic domains in the Bloch Wall region means the domains are essentially random, which means that the Bloch Wall region is, by definition, essentially unmagnetized, just as the random magnetic domains in unmagnetized iron cause the iron to be considered unmagnetized.
So for every magnet in the world, for every magnet that Mr. Wheeler looks at, his humiliation rises to his (and our) attention, because he knows (and we know) that his hobby theory of Wheelerism has gotten it utterly, hilariously wrong.
In point of fact, if one were to wrap the Bloch Wall region with a thick layer of diamagnetic material such as bismuth to "contain" this essentially random magnetic flux within the magnet by opposing it, one would find that the magnetic flux travels in two "loops" through the magnet. On each pole face there are two "interfaces", one attractive and one repulsive. The attractive interface on Pole Face 1 pulls virtual photons out of the QVZPE field and funnels them through the magnet to the repulsive interface on Pole Face 2, where they are spit out and subsumed back into the QVZPE field. The attractive interface on Pole Face 2 pulls virtual photons out of the QVZPE field and funnels them through the magnet to the repulsive interface on Pole Face 1, where they are spit out and subsumed back into the QVZPE field.
The relativistic effects of magnets (given that the QVZPE field is, quite literally, the fabric of space-time) are that the attractive interface on each pole face contracts space and speeds time up, whereas the repulsive interface on each pole face expands space and slows time down. This was proven experimentally in an experiment done for NASA, which I've referenced in a prior post, which showed the outer perimeter of each pole face exhibited a radial "spreading out" of space-time, whereas the center of each pole face exhibited a "sucking in" of space-time, as measured by the field radiation pressure of the QVZPE field at the pole face.
Thus the two predominant magnetic domain directions and their resultant magnetic flux (and thus their relativistic effects) mutually cancel, which is why we have such a hard time getting magnets to do any work for us without requiring the additional relativistic effect of motion. This additional relativistic effect of motion slows time down, thus creating an imbalance between the two relativistic effects of the magnet itself, thus creating a perceived charge compression in a wire within the magnetic field, and thus that charge compression results in current flow.
Separating out the two magnetic fluxes on each pole face would allow us to create a motionless electrical generator by exploiting the intrinsic relativistic effects of magnets, all fully in accordance with QM, QFT and QED.
And
that would be the ultimate refutation of Wheelerism.
@ Acca
Thanks for your concerns, but I really don't care. Let that guys do their job and eat a bread, and we continue on our own way.
@ minnie
Please explain how much math is when you milk the cows on the farm! Contemporary human mind do math not the Nature.
@TinselKoala
Your left or my left?
@MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on February 08, 2016, 11:09:05 PMThat's another fundamental problem right there. There is nothing in the middle of a bar magnet, nothing!...
Yes indeed, the really fundamental problem is the concept of NOTHING!
@CycleGuy
Quote from: CycleGuy on February 09, 2016, 04:46:41 PMWell, actually, there is something there in the middle of a magnet...
Replacing a concept with another, namely NOTHING with SOMETHING don't fix the real fundamental problem! Of course in a NOTHING volume concept, it is required to fill it with SOMETHING to make things to work. Of course, with SOMETHING convenient to yourself! Excluding and obscuring the fact that NOTHING to manifest there should be SOMETHING much more previous to your own SOMETHING!
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Now with Ken's words:
"The insane premise today in looking up the definition of a "domain wall" or "Bloch wall" is: "A domain wall: interface separating magnetic domains. A Bloch wall is a narrow transition region at the boundary between". This is nonsense and reifies the false concept that this moving divider is like an imaginary cage that separates the lions from their pray (CW and CCW) at the zoo. This dielectric inertial plane is the basis for understanding dielectricity, counterspace, the creation of a magnet, AC transmission lines, and the entire spatial-counterspatial magneto-dielectric geometry that governs the entire cosmos. That modern science had only devoted an insane and incorrect tiny footnote to this only shows how very little current science understands the magnetic and dielectric universe.
The Bloch wall of any magnet is, in simple, the dielectric accretion disk. This is the very reason why there is absolutely no magnetic attraction at the dielectric plane of even an extremely powerful magnet. Magnetism does not exist at this very narrow accretion disk of centripetal dielectricity. This dielectric pressure equilibrium is a necessitated entity in any magnetic system, permanent or otherwise. There cannot exist any magnetic fulcrum without a dielectric inertial plane. In bringing two magnets together, this inertial plane will immediately shift from the middle of one magnet to the center between the two as the inverse spins of the magnetic inductions selfvoid at the counterspatial dielectric inertial plane. An incapacity to grasp this visually and mentally is a permanent roadblock to any comprehension."
And keep in mind I'm not 100% in accordance with his theory, but for sure I agree more than 1000% his theory compared with the current scientific model.
More in his book...
I just noticed this bit of inconceivability in Mr. Wheeler's book:
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The Bloch wall of any magnet is, in simple, the dielectric accretion disk. This is the very reason why there is absolutely no magnetic attraction at the dielectric plane of even an extremely powerful magnet. Magnetism does not exist at this very narrow accretion disk of centripetal dielectricity. This dielectric pressure equilibrium is a necessitated entity in any magnetic system, permanent or otherwise.
So given that Mr. Wheeler has redefined "dielectricity" to mean "static electricity", and "inertia" to mean "the opposite of rest" (and therefore he's stating that the "dielectric inertial plane" is where electricity is generated), he's stating above that the only reason we don't experience any magnetism at the Bloch Wall of the magnet is because an electric current is holding the magnetism in check via equilibrium.
That's just... not even wrong. What's a word for "more wrong than wrong could ever be wrong"?
If what he says above were correct, we'd see that electric current causing resistance heating of the magnet... and yet, we don't see that anywhere except in Mr. Wheeler's incorrectly performed, poorly controlled "experiment" in which he reflected IR from his FLIR camera off the magnet surface, tricking himself into believing the magnet was producing heat... and that was at the pole face, not the Bloch Wall.
In point of fact, there is no electrical current in a magnet. The only thing "flowing" in a magnet is virtual photon flux, which mediates the magnetic field as QM has proven. And virtual photons don't cause resistance heating because they're massless atemporal entitites, whereas electrons are massive and grounded in the current time frame. Thus, a magnet does not spontaneously heat up.
That electrons are grounded in a time frame, and virtual photons are not, is the reason why, after all, generators even work...
Magnets have two virtual photon fluxes on each pole face as I've stated in a prior post. Since magnets are mediated via virtual photons and virtual photons are a component of the QVZPE field, magnets directly stress the QVZPE field, and given that the QVZPE field is quite literally the fabric of space-time, that stress results in a contraction or dilation of space-time.
In the case of magnets, it's contraction
and dilation on each pole face... the repulsive (centrifugal) interface slows time down and expands space, the attractive (centripetal) interface speeds time up and contracts space. A generator must use motion as an extra relativistic effect to cause an imbalance between the counterbalancing relativistic effects of the magnets in the generator. The motion slows time down in the local time frame of the generator's rotor, causing a perceived charge compression in the wires in the magnetic field, thus causing current to flow.
It's a bit hard to picture, since you have to juggle two separate perspectives... your own perspective and the perspective from inside that compressed or dilated time frame. Depending upon which perspective you take, you get the opposite effect... so from the perspective of inside the compressed or dilated time frame, increasing magnetic stress increases QVZPE field stress, thus it increases perceived space, but from an outside perspective, it appears as though the space has "squashed" to fit within the space allotted it in our external perspective. From the perspective of inside the compressed or dilated time frame, decreasing magnetic stress decreases QVZPE field stress, thus it decreases perceived space (in the extreme, a complete absence of QVZPE field radiation pressure would indicate
no space from the perspective of that affected space, but an infinite space from an outside perspective), but from an outside perspective it appears as though the space has "spread out" to fit within the space allotted it in our external perspective.
If you ran a generator such that it had an outer perimeter velocity of its rotor of 1500 MPH for one hour, it would actually experience 0.99999999999749848054 hours. That 0.00000000900576 second time difference over the course of an hour is what is responsible for the generation of the electricity due to relativistic space-time compression and thus charge compression. And that's a lot of time compression as compared to the electrical grid generators.
If electrons were not tied to a local time frame, or if virtual photons were tied to a local time frame, a generator could not work.
Wrong premises, wrong conclusions and wrong further rational development. That's indeed "more wrong than wrong could ever be wrong"! Read two messages above or review the lesson 6 to deepen what is dielectricity.
"The universe is divinely simplex (but not simple), with only three components, the Ether, mass particles, and fields (all of which are Ether in principle, and the particles themselves are stable dielectric conglomerations and Ether-based). Everything else is tones, overtones, geometry, and movements, spatial and counterspatial, centrifugal and centripetal." - Ken Wheeler - Uncovering the missing Secrets of Magnetism - page 12
"Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the 'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" - C.P. Steinmetz - Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses - page 13
However is a good sign you read his book. My suggestion is to read twice with a gap of three months for comparative studies.
The ultimate refutation of Wheelerism:
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1981.msg35093#msg35093
All the work has already been done to disprove Mr. Wheeler's hobby theory. It's got so many holes and inconsistencies it cannot reflect reality, and would result in a universe that could not exist. Those who are grounded in solid science understand this reality. The post below on open-source-energy.org is just an addendum to a laundry list of said holes and inconsistencies.
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Ah, geez. Ok, in reading a thread on overunity.com in which Ken Wheeler purports to show absolute proof of vortexual magnetic flux on the magnet pole faces (something conventional physics doesn't deny and in fact confirmed long ago), I peeled back a couple more layers of his obfuscatory redefinition of already-existing scientific nomenclature.
Ok, so his "dielectric inertia" that he keeps talking about appears to be nothing more than "static electricity in motion" (because he's redefined "inertia" to mean "the opposite of rest", and he's stated "natures NATURAL 'electricity' isnt electricity at all, its DIelectricity." as well as "YOU TELL ME how I can CHARGE a "non-conductive" piece of GLASS with enough DIELECTRIC (electrostatic) charge to STOP A PERSONS heart????")... so what he's really doing when he states that the "dielectric plane" powers the magnet is just rehashing what is already known, while getting it hilariously wrong: "electrons in coherent orbit about their nuclei create a coherent magnetic field"... he's provided a description (a long-winded redefinition of already well-known scientific phenomena) but not an explanation, at least not one that makes any sense... it's electron orbit and spin which powers the magnet, not what happens at the Bloch Wall. Electrons in orbit about their nuclei and electron spin in a magnetized material are
not "nature's NATURAL 'electricity'" aka "dielectricity" aka static electricity. They're point charges bound in orbit to a nucleus.
Of course, Wheeler stating
anything about electricity while denying the existence of electrons is inconceivable... he's taken Russellian theory, Circlon Theory, Dollard Theory and a hodgepodge of other theories, thrown them into the blender with a bunch of $20 words, set the blender on 'Puree', poured it into a martini glass, topped it off with cherry-picked empirical examples from others that he then claims as his own discoveries (the Michael Snyder (aka SirZerp) hypotrochoidal magnetic flux discoveries literally
years before Wheeler claimed the discovery as his own, for one example; the quadrapolar (and quadravortexual) nature of magnets as discovered by Howard Johnson literally
decades before Wheeler claimed the discovery as his own, as another example; the discovery by Louis Pasteur in
1872, and Krylov and Tarakonova in
1960 reporting on the effects of magnetic fields on plants (they called this effect magnetotropism), and the patent by Albert R. Davis in
1977 for a magnetizer for seeds being a particularly egregious example of Wheeler claiming credit for something long known about), and expects it all to work... it doesn't. He continues providing (long-winded overly-verbose redefinitional) descriptions, rather than explanations. I tend toward the other side, I want to explain how and why magnets work.
So his "dielectricity" is nothing more than his redefinition of coherently-aligned electrons spinning and orbiting about their nuclei throwing off Larmor radiation in the form of virtual photons (which they always do in trying to reach their 1s state, and once at their 1s state, the Larmor radiation thrown off exactly equals the energy received by the electrons from in-phase QVZPE field modes), combined with those electrons rejecting the out-of-phase QVZPE field modes that are longer than the Compton radius and thus suppressing electron precession, allowing that Larmor radiation to be coherent enough that it can be perceived outside the magnet's pole face as a coherent magnetic field.
Remember, virtual photons are known to exist (they're real photons, they "concretize" due to a disturbance waveform in the QVZPE field that forces them into "existence", but due to the disturbance creating them being unstable and short-lived, they don't "exist" for long, hence we call them "virtual"), in fact, researchers at Chalmers University in 2011 concretized virtual photons from the QVZPE field using Dynamical Casimir Effect. And physics has known for a long time that magnetism is mediated by virtual photons, which are a component of the QVZPE field.
If you look at his definition, you'll find that his "inertial dielectricity" is nothing more than the standard definition for magnetism in the first place! Which makes sense... the Bloch Wall is not throwing out / taking in "dielectricity", it's throwing out / taking in magnetic flux. It's where the magnetic domains are canted from the two predominant magnetic domain directions in a magnet, causing some of the flux of the magnet to be thrown out / drawn in at angles to those two predominant magnetic domain directions.
Now, how he can state that rest is the opposite of "inertia" when he's just stated his redefinition of that basic premise is unfathomable, except that he's redefined those to mean something completely different. And that's notwithstanding the fact that the opposite of "inertia" is
not rest, as I state in my prior post:
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"Contrary to empirical phenomena and objects which are in motion and are denoted to have 'inertia' and likewise its opposite being 'rest'"
Wow... where to start with this one... objects in motion are denoted to have 'inertia'... but then, so are objects at rest. What an object at rest does not have is momentum, which is a means of measuring that object's motion.
The opposite of "rest" is not "inertia", as an object has inertia whether it is at rest or it is moving (inertia being defined as the tendency to resist changes in an object's state of motion, even if that 'state of motion' is the state of being at rest)... the opposite of "rest" is "motion", quantified via "momentum"... one would think this would be obvious.
Inertia doesn't really have an inverse, it's not a transferable property... when you push on an object, you don't impart any inertia to it nor receive any inertia from it. The only time an object's inertia changes is when the mass of that object changes, for massive objects.
For massless entities, given that energy and momentum are proportional under the General Relativity rule (laid out in equation form below), the only time a massless entity's inertia changes is when the frequency of that entity changes or the direction of that entity changes... the energy-momentum equivalency for massless entities is the reason black holes were predicted to exist before we actually empirically observed any, why gravity can bend light (gravitational lensing), and why light under the influence of gravity changes frequency (blue-shifts as it goes down the slope of a gravity well, red-shifts at it climbs out of that gravity well).
He goes on to further state that if one were to cut a magnet, the "dielectric plane" (his redefinition of the Bloch Wall) would reposition faster than the speed of light... except one of the people who he keeps touting as supportive of his theories also happens to be the one who mathematically derived the speed at which magnetism propagates (called the magnetic diffusion rate)... Maxwell himself. And it's
not faster than the speed of light... it's dependent upon the resistivity of the material the magnetic flux is traveling through. In a perfect vacuum (no matter, no QVZPE field), the magnetic diffusion rate would be
equal to the speed of light in that perfect vacuum. In a normal vacuum (no matter, but with the QVZPE field), it would again be equal to the speed of light in that normal vacuum. So on this contention of his, he's just wrong. He's stating that the Bloch Wall can move faster than the magnetism that forces the Bloch Wall to the midline of the magnet in the first place. Which, by extension, destroys the majority of his theory.
It also negates his "instantaneous action at a distance" contention... because he forgets about the locality of quantumly entangled time frames, which is, after all, how our entire AC generation and distribution system works, as I outline in another of my posts. We're using magnetism through space (motion) to cause space-time compression, which slows time down in the time frame of the generator, which causes a perceived charge compression, which pushes those charges out over the wire. The electrical equipment in our homes and businesses runs because it's trying to orient to the (delayed) time frame of the generator as the electrons seek to return to that time frame, imparting energy to our electrical equipment. But then, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Mr. Wheeler denied the effect of magnetism mediated through motion to cause time compression producing electricity... or the effect of electricity mediated through time producing magnetism. Because remember, Mr. Wheeler denies warped space (and thus time) exists.
Of course, the Bloch Wall is nothing but the region of the magnet where the magnetic material experiences a 'canting' of magnetic domains from predominantly one direction to predominantly the opposite direction. Because our relatively weak magnetic materials cannot resist the internal magnetic stresses, some of the domains unpin and flip to cause the magnet to reach the lowest energy state possible given that the material is attempting to keep the atoms aligned. So interspersed throughout the magnet there are oppositely-facing domains. At the Bloch Wall, the cumulation of these two forces cancels by 'canting' the magnetic domains at angles to the predominant two directions. Thus, at the Bloch Wall, some magnetic flux is thrown out, and some is drawn in. There is no "dielectricity" at Wheeler's "dielectric plane" because a magnet is not a dielectric, that's just yet another of his redefinitions of a common scientific definition: ferromagnet.
Cutting a magnet causes some of the magnetic domains to unpin and flip to again minimize the internal energy of the magnet, which moves the Bloch Wall, at the magnetic diffusion rate for that magnetic material.
A further debunking of Wheeler's theory resides in his contention that "there are no fields in space, there is only space in fields, space is posterior to fields". A simple thought experiment would have aided Mr. Wheeler in sussing the true nature of space and fields... merely by asking the following questions:
1) Can a field exist if there is no space for it to exist in?
- Undoubtedly, no. Without "space", there is nowhere for anything to exist.
2) Can space exist if there are no fields in it?
- Undoubtedly, yes. If all fields are removed from a space, that space will continue to exist. In fact, an empirical example of this is a Casimir cavity, which attempts to remove the QVZPE field from the space between its walls. Given the imperfect materials we have to work with, it cannot quite get to the point that there are
no fields (yet), but if it could, the space between the walls of the Casimir cavity would continue to exist from our frame of perspective, while disappearing from a perspective within the cavity itself (ie: the speed of light increases to infinity, thus making it appear as though there is no space for energy to travel through... of course, that's until energy enters the cavity, which would cause that "space" from the perspective of that energy to once again exist until that energy exited the cavity), but all the while, that space from our perspective would remain unchanged (ie: we don't just see a "hole" of nothingness hanging out in midair at a point where there is no QVZPE field density)... so unless Mr. Wheeler is willing to argue that the perspective that is not ours is the more important one, his premise fails, and in any case, he'd be arguing about something that QM and SR mathematically predicted and empirically proved long ago. Again, Mr. Wheeler forgets about locality and perspective.
Some further debunking of Wheeler's theory:
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg410835/#msg410835 (http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg410835/#msg410835)
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However centripetal radial , inertial dielectricity IS NOT POLARIZED (obviously) AND HAS NO FERRO-ATTRACTIVE EFFECTS..
Of course it's not "polarized", the Bloch Wall is where two opposing magnetic moments meet and mutually cancel, where the magnetic domains cant away from the two predominant magnetic domain directions found in a conventional permanent magnet. Thus no net magnetic moment exists at that point called the Bloch Wall, which is why it doesn't attract unmagnetized ferromagnetic materials, just as unmagnetized iron doesn't attract unmagnetized ferromagnetic materials... it's got an essentially random magnetization at that location, making it what we deem to be "unmagnetized". Occam's Razor provides the answer here, not some mishmash notion of "inertial dielectricity" where "inertia" and "dielectricity" are both redefined.
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Its been called the "magnetic PINCH EFFECT" since, I recall, 1958 The "pinch" is due to magnetic and dielectric field conjugation in a BINDING SYSTEM (the magnet) and the dis-equilibrium created in the interatomic from the electrification of the magnet.
Yes, the magnetic pinch effect is a well-known phenomenon. It is not what is occurring at the Bloch Wall of a permanent magnet. If it were, the magnetic flux there would be
pinched, not thrown out / draw in via the canted domains at the Bloch Wall. Of course, the fact that magnetic flux is thrown out / drawn in via the canted magnetic domains at the Bloch Wall is
why the magnetism there (
not the "dielectricity" as Wheeler contends) is not "polarized" (apparently Wheeler's redefinition of "coherent"), and thus
why there is no magnetic effect upon ferromagnetic materials there, as I describe above.
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Protons precess coherently when in the presence of a powerful dielectric field. The frequency at which the precession occurs is called the Larmor frequency. This causes an oscillating and precessing magnetic field that can be measured.
{sigh} The magnetic field from the nucleal protons is about 1000 times weaker than the magnetic field from the half-shell electrons and is not coherent, and thus doesn't contribute to the aggregate magnetic field experienced outside the pole faces... so unless Mr. Wheeler is now arguing that all permanent magnets are actually approximately 1000 times weaker than measured, he's wrong on this contention, as well... a product of his denial of the existence of electrons.
Wait... wasn't it Mr. Wheeler who said that "Mother Nature does not do particles or Quantum BS"? And isn't he the guy who says positive and negative charges don't exist? Yeah, he did and he is... so his protons (a
positively charged particle) must not exist, just as he claims an electron doesn't exist... making his description above completely nonsensical in relation to his theory. That's got to be quite an embarrassment for him, to have to fall back on charged particles while denying their existence. :-X
Besides which, the protons cannot precess to the magnitude he claims unless the entire nucleus precesses (the protons being bound together with neutrons via the strong nuclear force (which Wheeler also denies exists)), which is inordinately difficult to get the nucleus to do, given its relatively larger mass, so his claim that the protons are (and thus the nucleus is) precessing at the Larmor frequency and thus creating the magnetic field of a magnet is an utter impossibility.
Not to mention that precession (whether we're talking about Wheeler's purported nucleal precession or electron precession in orbit about the nucleus) would not
cause coherent magnetism, it would tend to
damp it by causing an essentially random net magnetic moment. Electrons rejecting as an aggregate (much like a Casimir cavity does) out-of-phase QVZPE field modes longer than the Compton radius and thus damping electron precession (and thus making the electron orbit less chaotic) is part of the reason for the magnetic field's coherency. So the small amount of precession that a nucleal proton
can do, which results in it throwing off Larmor radiation to balance energy in-flow from the QVZPE field and out-flow via Larmor radiation, is not coherent, and thus has no net magnetic moment.
Are his protons (ie: his one-particle which can seemingly randomly switch back and forth between neutron-form and proton-form (in the process changing size and weight by many orders of magnitude), because remember, he insists that all matter consists of one particle, a bastardization of Circlon Theory's "Neutron as Proton and Electron Egg" theory... without the electron (because he denies the existence of electrons... of course, he then goes on to deny
all particles (to quote him, "Nope, mother nature doesnt do particles and quantum BS."), saying it's all "fields within fields upon fields across fields"... so it's understandable that he's confused as concerns this topic.) throwing off Larmor radiation? Because it can be demonstrated that they do
not do so to any great extent... because while the proton
is a charged particle, a nucleal proton is
not in motion (it's locked into place in the atoms of the magnetic material, remember),
nor is it following a curved path (and thereby undergoing acceleration), the three main requirements for Larmor radiation.
Oh, that's right, he claims the magnet is throwing off "inertial dielectricity", which is his redefinition of "the opposite of rest" and "static electricity"... but if this were the case, one could capture this "static electricity in motion" thrown off by his magical magnets and put it to good use powering electrical equipment without having to rely upon relativistic space-time compression and thus perceived charge compression of the electrons in the wire, as is done in conventional generators.
Well, what do you know, Mr. Wheeler has single-handedly given the world free energy, and all it took was redefining every single known definition for long-known scientific phenomena, and reordering every single molecule in the universe. :D
His contention is brought about because Mr. Wheeler denies the existence of negative charges and thus electrons, backing him into a nonsensical view of how atoms work to produce magnetism, a view that is diametrically opposed to reality. Of course, his denial of charged particles (on both the "charge" and the "particle" terms) necessitates that he also denies the existence of protons... so he's now arguing against himself, while tacitly admitting he believes the universe to be nothing but fields and neutrons. ::)
In addition, it appears as though he's redefined "precession" to mean "rotation":
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413105/#msg413105 (http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413105/#msg413105)
TinselKoala posted a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SeVWSO_wpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SeVWSO_wpg)
showing off-center torque brought about by a magnet attracted to a ferromagnetic piece through a convex lens... having nothing to do with magnetism except for magnetism providing the clamping force which kept the contact point of the magnet off-center and thus allowed it to spin, much as is shown here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZEFTEEHOPU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZEFTEEHOPU)
although they incorrectly attribute the effect to magnetic vortex... just as Mr. Wheeler does here:
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413107/#msg413107 (http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413107/#msg413107)
He even made two videos "explaining" that very simple phenomenon incorrectly... then went on to say:
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413113/#msg413113 (http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413113/#msg413113)
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that is STILL precession however.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/precession (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/precession)
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Mechanics. the motion of the rotation axis of a rigid body, as a spinning top, when a disturbing torque is applied while the body is rotating such that the rotation axis describes a cone, with the vertical through the vertex of the body as axis of the cone, and the motion of the rotating body is perpendicular to the direction of the torque.
There is
no precession occurring in TinselKoala's video.
So Mr. Wheeler seems to be confused about quite a lot.
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Nope son, its called GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION, also known as the Larmor Frequency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larmor_precession (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larmor_precession)
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In physics, Larmor precession (named after Joseph Larmor) is the precession of the magnetic moment of any object with a magnetic moment about an external magnetic field. Objects with magnetic moments have angular momentum and internal currents of electric charge related to their angular momentum; these include electrons, protons, other fermions, many atomic and nuclear systems, as well as classical macroscopic systems. The magnetic field exerts a torque on the magnetic moment,
You'll note that Mr. Wheeler denies the existence of electrons and fermions, as well as much of what is known about nuclear processes... strange, then, that he'd use terms and quote web pages describing phenomena that are related to that which he appears to dislike with such fervor, Quantum Mechanics.
You'll further note, as I outlined above, that protons bound up in the nucleus of a magnet do not meet the criteria to throw off Larmor radiation (usually, unless they're hit with unusually energetic QVZPE field modes, which causes them to precess, causing a random net magnetic moment). They
are a charged particle, but they're not in motion, nor are they following a curved path.
You'll further note that Wheeler denies the existence of particles, saying everything is a field... so he's a bit confused here.
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The TECH that surrounds you and me are ELECTRICAL, ...............the REAL COMPUTER, idiot, is your brain and nervous system which are DIELECTRICAL same as lightning.
So, you, pathetically, in DEMONIC IGNORANCE, are denying dielectrics using your brain that WORKS off electrostatic charge/discharge (i.e. dielectricity).
So wrong that the word "wrong" is the wrong word to describe how wrong his contention above is. The brain and nervous system is a chemical messaging system, utilizing neurotransmitters to bridge the gaps between synapses. The axons do indeed transmit electrical impulses via ions (you'll note that despite the axons using ions to transmit information, it is absolutely nothing like the charge separation within a cloud that leads to lightning. There is no static charge accumulation within the brain.)...
https://web.williams.edu/imput/introduction_main.html (https://web.williams.edu/imput/introduction_main.html)
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Most cells, however, communicate via chemical synapses. Such cells are separated by a space called a synaptic cleft and thus cannot transmit action potentials directly. Instead, chemicals called neurotransmitters are used to communicate the signal from one cell to the next. Some neurotransmitters are excitatory and depolarize the next cell, increasing the probability that an action potential will be fired. Others are inhibitory, causing the membrane of the next cell to hyperpolarize, thus decreasing the probability of that the next neuron will fire an action potential.
The process by which this information is communicated is called synaptic transmission and can be broken down into four steps. First, the neurotransmitter must be synthesized and stored in vesicles so that when an action potential arrives at the nerve ending, the cell is ready to pass it along to the next neuron. Next, when an action potential does arrive at the terminal, the neurotransmitter must be quickly and efficiently released from the terminal and into the synaptic cleft. The neurotransmitter must then be recognized by selective receptors on the postsynaptic cell so that it can pass along the signal and initiate another action potential. Or, in some cases, the receptors act to block the signals of other neurons also connecting to that postsynaptic neuron. After its recognition by the receptor, the neurotransmitter must be inactivated so that it does not continually occupy the receptor sites of the postsynaptic cell. Inactivation of the neurotransmitter avoids constant stimulation of the postsynaptic cell, while at the same time freeing up the receptor sites so that they can receive additional neurotransmitter molecules, should another action potential arrive.
Perhaps if Mr. Wheeler did more learning and less pontificating, he'd understand these simple concepts.
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And a final quote from Mr. Wheeler at overunity.com:
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg412662/#msg412662 (http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg412662/#msg412662)
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Honestly, (no offense), but why the F@CK (EDIT: redacted one letter) did you think Faraday and JJ Thomson called magnetism "the dielectric FIELD"
Well, that might be because Faraday, JJ Thomson and Maxwell were looking at the speed of light in dielectrics such as glass, had postulated that the speed of light in a dielectric such as glass and the speed of electricity in a wire were the same, postulated that "We can scarcely avoid the conclusion that light consists in the transverse undulations of the same medium which is the cause of electric and magnetic phenomena.", further postulated that light was a disturbance wave in the aether, and therefore that the aether was a dielectric... which we now know to be false. The QVZPE field is paramagnetic in nature, a plasma.
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node100.html (http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node100.html)
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A plasma is very similar to a gaseous medium, except that the electrons are free: i.e., there is no restoring force due to nearby atomic nuclei. Hence, we can obtain an expression for the dielectric constant of a plasma from Eq. (1149).
We can immediately see that formula (1150) is problematic. For frequencies above the plasma frequency, the dielectric constant of a plasma is less than unity. Hence, the refractive index is also less than unity. This would seem to imply that high frequency electromagnetic waves can propagate through a plasma with a velocity which is greater than the velocity of light in a vacuum. Does this violate the principles of relativity? On the other hand, for frequencies below the plasma frequency, the dielectric constant is negative, which would seem to imply that the refractive index is imaginary.
It follows from Eq. (1150) that in a plasma, the above type of expression, which effectively determines the wave frequency as a function of the wave-number for the medium in question, is called a dispersion relation (since, amongst other things, it determines how fast wave-pulses disperse in the medium). According to the above dispersion relation, the phase velocity of high frequency waves propagating through a plasma is indeed greater than c. However, the theory of relativity does not forbid this. What the theory of relativity says is that information cannot travel at a velocity greater than c. And the peaks and troughs of an infinite plane-wave, such as (1152), do not carry any information.
You'll note that the ability of high frequency electromagnetic waves (of which the QVZPE field is comprised) being able to travel faster than c if they're above the plasma frequency is likely the reason the QVZPE field radiation pressure (which is increasing as additional mass in the universe is converted into energy in stars, then entropies and becomes part of the QVZPE field, and thus that increasing field radiation pressure must either cause universal expansion, or result in concretization of matter from the QVZPE field to relieve that QVZPE field radiation pressure) is causing the universe to expand at faster than the speed of light.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_electromagnetic_theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_electromagnetic_theory)
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Maxwell extended this view of displacement currents in dielectrics to the ether of free space.
Oliver Heaviside was a self-taught scholar who reformulated Maxwell's field equations in terms of electric and magnetic forces and energy flux, and independently co-formulated vector analysis. His series of articles continued the work entitled "Electromagnetic Induction and its Propagation", commenced in The Electrician in 1885 to nearly 1887 (ed., the latter part of the work dealing with the propagation of electromagnetic waves along wires through the dielectric surrounding them)...
If you base your conclusions upon extrapolations of the faulty conclusions of others, your conclusions are thusly also incorrect.
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Here's a quote he often repeats in his book, in his videos and on forums:
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Magnetism is the discharge Ether modality of dielectricity in termination. Dielectricity is counterspatial, magnetism is spatial. All radiation, all discharges in the universe are spatial by nature and definition. Magnetism, therefore is the necessitated polarized (creates space) co-eternal conjugate to dielectricity. Electricity terminates AS magnetism , not INTO magnetism, by losing its dielectric component as necessitated; electricity is the product of Phi (magnetism) and Psi (dielectricity), is definitionally a hybrid Ether modality of the product of Phi and Psi. - Author
We'll focus on this part:
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Magnetism, therefore is the necessitated polarized (creates space) co-eternal conjugate to dielectricity.
Except when it's not. Or wasn't Mr. Wheeler aware of the fact that a magnet is quadrapolar and thus quadrachronologic in nature? It stresses space-time twice on each pole face... the centrifugal interface increases QVZPE field stress and thus slows down time, thus "creating" (expanding) space, whereas the centripetal interface decreases QVZPE field stress and thus speeds time up, thus "destroying" (contracting) space.
As I outline in another post:
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1956.msg34981#msg34981 (http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1956.msg34981#msg34981)
If one were to separate out the two fluxes (centripetal, centrifugal), one could speed up or slow down time (and thus contract or expand space) in a local space-time frame at will. Which would make building a motionless electrical generator a simple task... something brought about because of an understanding of the true nature of magnets and the QVZPE field in accord with Quantum Mechanics, Special Relativity and Stochastic Electrodynamics, not Mr. Wheeler's redefinitional hodge-podge of fantasy to cover up his inherent lack of understanding of how the universe works.
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And one last quote, from his book:
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This only holds true if induction is possible and natural, energy can indeed be 'lost' completely, as was first discovered in AC generation stations where, before the generators got up to working inertias, enormous power is lost for a short time with no resultant dissipation into our world.
Notwithstanding Mr. Wheeler's continued misuse of the word "inertia", having worked for a good many years in those self-same "AC generation stations" (to include nuclear, fuel oil and natural gas fired systems), I can state emphatically and with a great amount of empirically-derived experience that his contention above is a load of bunkum.
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How many holes in Wheeler's theory does that make now?
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God, I see now you have a big teeth against Ken's theory. And of course I also see you don't really know what you talk about, being too mind focused and inevitable limited by your own point of view, to even accept you could be wrong in your premises.
My suggestions:
- first of all try to rethink everything in the absence of the standard Bohr-Rutherford atomic model and of an electron as a duality particle-wave. If you can't that's it, is place under Sun for each one of us!
- secondly try to redefine the "precession" in the absence of concentric movement, because there is nothing like this in the Universe. Switching from geocentricism to heliocentrism did not change anything in principle, but only in appearance.
- thirdly try to overcome your own circular thinking and read again with an open mind what is dielectricity, electricity, magnetism and gravity. At least as are they defined by Ken. At least! And following the references would be great!
And maybe you did not get the point:
Here is the Greatest new clips from Ken Wheeler..
I just love this guy ....
You may not accept that as he is way out in the "bleeding edge" ...so far a head..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsv9bjPjbRw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsv9bjPjbRw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srVlo1Ez5fk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srVlo1Ez5fk)
Acca..
Strange that Mr. Wheeler, in his desperate attempt to claim 'discoverer' status for anything, is now attacking those who believe in Russellian theory, calling them "blood drinking Satanists". ;D
Especially since he's co-opted a large portion of Russellian theory in his own hobby theory, along with Circlon theory, Dollard theory and a host of other odd theories, patched them all together into his own hobby theory of Wheelerism (without crediting the developers of those other theories), and claimed he was the discoverer of that theory, just as he claimed discovery of the hypotrochoidal nature of magnets (which Michael Snyder (aka SirZerp) discovered literally years before Wheeler claimed the discovery as his own), for one example; the quadrapolar (and quadravortexual) nature of magnets as discovered by Howard Johnson literally decades before Wheeler claimed the discovery as his own, as another example; the discovery by Louis Pasteur in 1872, and Krylov and Tarakonova in 1960 reporting on the effects of magnetic fields on plants (they called this effect magnetotropism, which is now the standard scientific nomenclature for the phenomenon), and the patent by Albert R. Davis in 1977 for a magnetizer for seeds being a particularly egregious example of Wheeler claiming credit for something long known about.
And that's not to mention his attempt to claim some sort of 'discoverer' status for the Huygens-Fresnel Principle (this concept's been known about since 1678, expanded upon by Fresnel in 1816) in a recent video, all while trying to tear down those who have built the robust mathematical framework which accurately describes our universe to better than one part in ten million. Strange and ironic then, that his video rant about the Huygens-Fresnel Principle actually corroborated Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Field Theory and Quantum Electrodynamics, given that the Huygens-Fresnel Principle was the forerunner of and impetus for modern Quantum Electrodynamics, as I outline in a prior post. :D
Stranger still that he's resorted to disinformation in his latest rant about LIGO, claiming it only has a 21 million light year detection range... its detection range is upwards of 56 million light years for neutron binary infall, and as much as 6 billion years for merging blackholes of sufficient diameter... so it's little wonder that it detected the unusually strong gravitational wave from two black holes merging 1.3 billion light years away.
If this is what passes for the "scientific method" in Mr. Wheeler's world, then it's little wonder he's discovered nothing, built nothing, yet has taken credit for the discoveries of others as detailed in my post above, all while disparaging those who actually are making those discoveries. He appears to be a jealous wannabe desperately trying to convince someone, anyone that he's smarter than they are... but if he's so smart, why has he gotten so much wrong? His hobby theory has been proven to result in a universe which could not exist. Ergo it is de facto wrong, utterly and completely wrong.
And that's not to mention that he presents no mathematical proofs to support his contentions... his entire take on the universe is backed up with the sum total of disinformation, blather, attacks upon those smart enough to actually mathematically derive the underlying workings of the universe, and a screedbin full of profanity.
So I'll go on record here and say that in my opinion Mr. Wheeler is a credit stealing charlatan who is becoming more strident and desperate in his attempts at claiming credit for that which others are accomplishing. If his hobby theory reflected reality, we'd see a plethora of inventions flowing out of his "laboratory", yet all we see is more ranting, more profanity, more attacks upon those who are making the important scientific discoveries.
Of course, the only reason Mr. Wheeler is ranting about LIGO is because its finding confirms Einstein's special relativity.
Yep, our Kenny has a long history of not giving credit where due (AKA plagiarism). This has even been noted by some posters on Buddhism threads where he has held court under various aliases.
And as you point out, he's not even "not even wrong". He still hasn't retracted his silly claim of "genuine Free Energy" from a bismuth sphere sitting next to a magnet, that fooled him because he doesn't read the instructions for his FLIR imager.
Soo.. Ken must be on the right track to be attacked with this much effort..
So he has videos and a book and videos on cameras.. Hate is the driven force here...
by Cylce on him ..
He has his theory and you have your and it also bullshit and the winner is "who cares"... theory ...
Magnetvortex is until proven is still bs so what .. !!
I have made my own magnetvortex videos and don' t care if you like them, they are mine !!! who cares ...
Make your own videos and theories..
Ken is "the" subjective of that theory.. (his)...
Hate is not subjective Cycle.. Write you own Book of theory !!! as by now you have written enough ..
Acca..
What I learned today:
There is a "handedness" to the universe... by that, I mean there is a preference in atomic spin, a phenomenon known as chirality for massive particles (or helicity for massless entities).
Chien-Shiung Wu (aka The Dragon Lady Physicist) did an experiment in 1956, IIRC, that cooled 60Co to cryogenic temperatures to reduce thermal vibrations of the atoms, then watched as it radioactively beta-decayed, then measured the spin direction of the resultant electrons (beta 'particles' being merely high-energy electrons).
She and her team found that all of the electrons spun counter-clockwise, which nulled the "conservation of parity" hypothesis. She won a Nobel Prize in physics in 1957 for her work.
This was a major contribution to particle physics, leading to the further discovery of the neutrino and antineutrino, and was the impetus behind the development of the Standard Model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model
Anyway, chirality means the weak nuclear force only operates upon counterclockwise spinning (left-handed) entities such as:
- quarks (up, down, strange, charm, top, bottom)
- leptons (electron, electron neutrino, muon, muon neutrino, tau particle and tau neutrino)
- particles containing an odd number of fermions (such as 13C and 3H)
...and upon clockwise spinning (right-handed) entities such as:
- lepton antiparticles (the anti-particles to electrons, electron neutrinos, muons, muon neutrinos, tau particles and tau neutrinos)
In addition, the fact that the W and Z bosons of the weak nuclear force have mass is what led to the first hints of the Higgs field and thus the Higgs boson. The Higgs boson doesn't really freely exist anymore (although it can be generated from the Higgs field), it existed earlier in the life of the universe when energy levels were higher because the universe was smaller and hotter, but the Higgs field exists throughout the universe, and is in fact exactly what I've been talking about when I say the QVZPE field is responsible for both the expansion of the universe and the expansion of the universe at faster than the speed of light. The Higgs field, it turns out, is the QVZPE field (or, at least, a major component of it), that cold plasma of electromagnetic waves that permeates the universe.
During the Quark Epoch of the universe, as the universe cooled and expanded and the energy of the Big Bang separated out into various forces and into matter, the electroweak force split into the electromagnetic force and the weak nuclear force. Even today, with high enough temperature or enough energy input, one can cause the two forces to recombine into the electroweak force.
The electromagnetic force got "right-handedness" (giving us such things as the "right-hand rule"), and the weak nuclear force got "left-handedness". So apparently, from what I can gather, free electrons all obey the "right-hand rule" of electromagnetism, whereas electrons bound in orbit around a nucleus all obey the "left-hand rule" of the weak nuclear force, and it has something to do with that binding process that converts the electron's chirality from left-handed to right-handed or vice versa, and that has something to do with the electron absorbing or emitting a Higgs boson from/to the Higgs field.
So there aren't just electrons and positrons, there are left-chiral and right-chiral electrons and positrons. So you have left-chiral electrons (ie: electrons bound in orbit to a nucleus) that can annihilate with right-chiral positrons to create photons, but because the weak nuclear force only acts upon left-chiral entities (and their right-chiral anti-entities), you wouldn't have right-chiral electrons (free electrons) annihilating with left-chiral positrons (which is why we have free electrons in the first place, otherwise they would have all annihilated long ago). As for the electrons spit out when the 60Co beta decayed in the experiment above, they'd eventually mutually annihilate with a positron.
All this has important implications in superconductor research, as it's implied that electrical resistance is brought about by free electrons (which obey the right-hand rule of the electromagnetic force) interacting with bound electrons (which obey the left-hand rule of the weak nuclear force) which causes the free electrons to slow down, thus creating electrical resistance. This is why cooling the conductive material to cryogenic temperatures reduces resistance, it apparently damps the weak nuclear force, thus allowing those free electrons to travel freely through the conductive material without interacting much with the bound electrons. If a material could be made that did away with (substituting the electromagnetic force) or suppressed the weak nuclear force at room temperature, it would apparently be superconducting at room temperature.
I'm still trying to figure out how all the above information fits in with magnets. Permanent magnets are essentially both sides of the coin in that they are comprised of material which has bound electrons orbiting a nucleus (and hence those electrons obey the left-hand rule of the weak nuclear force), and magnets generate magnetic force (which obeys the right-hand rule of the electromagnetic force), so they're a bit of a conundrum.
The W and Z bosons are responsible for quark color change and lepton chirality change. I'm still trying to figure out the exact interaction within the magnet that causes the left-handed magnetic material (because remember, point charges bound in orbit about a nucleus are left-handed) to create magnetism that obeys the right-hand rule.
Chirality also happens to have an effect upon many other things... for instance, crystal growth, and the growth of plants. Both of which Mr. Wheeler experimented with while unknowingly confirming the underlying precepts of Quantum Mechanics. I don't think that's what he wanted to do, however. If he'd done more studying and less credit-stealing pontification and name-calling, he'd have realized that he was actually doing experiments that confirmed QM.
The above alone is enough to totally demolish Wheelerism. Without this weak nuclear force, nuclear fusion wouldn't be possible, meaning stars could not exist... and given that Mr. Wheeler has denied the mass-energy equivalency concept, he denies nuclear fusion, so his take on the universe would result in a universe which could not exist in its present form.
In fact, even Mr. Wheeler's contention that there is only one "mass particle" in the universe, which can spontaneously change between "proton-form" and "neutron-form" (changing size and weight significantly (by orders of magnitude) in the process) wouldn't work without him acknowledging chirality as discovered by and explained by QM... a proton must capture an electron to convert to a neutron (remember, Mr. Wheeler denies the existence of electrons), and when a neutron decays, it gives off a proton and electron... and the process only works with left-handed chirality electrons.
Here's some good reading on the topic:
http://quantummechanics.ucsd.edu/ph87/ScientificAmerican/Sciam/Hegstrom_The_Handedness_of_the_universe.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroweak_interaction
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/funfor.html#c4
http://www.jdhartsell.com/HiggsSimplified.html
Let's say everything is well explained and documented, the only thing but fundamental for previous and current science further development that remain to be explained is the concept of mass. It is an intrinsic quality or an attribute? And of what? Of course this have to be explained beyond the current circular way of thinking of the academic science, according to which the mass is static energy and energy is dynamic mass. Then maybe we will go further to the properties (qualities or attributes) of the mainframe in which are defined these two elements!
On the other hand the chirality is available only in relative systems of analysis, but related to their point of origin there is no chirality at all. The concept itself loses its meaning! Still we as humans sense it! How this could happen? Naturally...
Now let's see what Ken say about the Universe:
The universe is simplex but not simple, there are no 'zero sized particles' mediating magnetism, or fantasies that only exist in the minds of GR and QM priests. Like a bar of steel which can be at various lengths creating various tones like a xylophone, or circular, or tubular, in motion, moving centripetally or centrifugally, all such phenomena, nearly endless, can be reproduced by the size, geometry, movements of what we started out with, a standard bar of iron. The universe is divinely simplex (but not simple), with only three components, the Ether, mass particles, and fields (all of which are Ether in principle, and the particles themselves are stable dielectric conglomerations and Ether-based). Everything else is tones, overtones, geometry, and movements, spatial and counterspatial, centrifugal and centripetal. Ironically, the fools of quantum mysticism have created a pantheon of irrational virtual nonsense (gluons, muons, gravitons, electrons, quarks, virtual photons, zero-sized particles), and yet these same academic fools accuse the greatest minds who lived, Tesla, Edison, Steinmetz, Heaviside, Maxwell, and countless others who declare all is impossible "without the Ether", to be the irrationalists! The facts are irreducible, the great minds of Tesla, Steinmetz and others invented everything upon which the modern world runs and loves dearly in daily use; likewise the pendants, the mystics of GR and QM produce only nonsense, pontifications, insane theories without a logical hypothesis to begin with and fantastical books that make Alice in Wonderland seem perfectly plausible by comparison. The mystics of GR and QM have so convincingly played their parts in producing "new particles" and other unreal objects (which have never been witnessed or appear as the outputs of experiments) that they have not realized in the slightest that all such names given are but reifications attributed to different states and modalities of Ether based pressure movements and likewise Ether field modalities (gravity, mass, magnetism, dielectricity).
Quantum and Relativity is a quack religion of mathematical physics based upon the absurd premise that the universe is a giant sea of interactive massless tiny invisible beads and that space itself, nothing, mediates interactions and can be genuinely 'warped'. Such conceptual Atomistic reifications as amplified by GR (Relativity) cannot be enjoined, and the only genuine warping occurring is not out in the cosmos of space, but in the empty spaces between the ears of those who reify such absurdities; warped minds rationally would invent warped space; its purely logical in its insanity that the former produce the later.
Nothing in the entire universe could exist if the proton-neutron-electron model of the universe were accurate. Erase from your mind forever the false conception that atoms are made up of spinning charged beads, this planetary model of the atom is a psychosis. The inter-atomic 'space' of the atom is completely filled with magnetism and dielectricity. The necessary unexplained and endless phenomena of elements and compounds is fully explained by the electro-conductor-magneto-dielectric model of the atom. Counterspatial-spatial-spatial-counterspatial (discharge-plane, charging nucleus, inter-atomic-magnetic, inter-atomic counterspatial dielectric respectively). This double-conjugate pair is the last remaining missing puzzle to be finally brought forward about the atomic structure of the atom for the first time ever, and lastly for all, explains unexpected phenomena, reactivity, electrification, conductivity, permittivity, and susceptibility. In simple, the electro-discharge and magneto-dielectric induction and capacitance.
What I learned today:
Superconductors only exhibit superconductive behavior toward direct current. For alternating current, they exhibit some resistance. As the frequency of the AC goes up, the resistance rises until the frequency is in the infrared range or above, where even a superconductor has the same resistance as the room temperature material.
How this ties in with the right-chiral free electrons interacting with the left-chiral bound electrons of the superconducting material I still have to completely figure out, but apparently the closer one gets to the orbital frequency of the left-chiral bound electrons, the more interaction there is between the right-chiral free and left-chiral bound electrons, thus the higher the resistance.
Talk about "cutting edge"! This discovery was announced just a week ago.
This proves I was correct in theorizing that chirality affects conductivity.:
https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11811
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Nuclear theorist Dmitri Kharzeev of Stony Brook University and Brookhaven Lab with Brookhaven Lab materials scientists Qiang Li, Genda Gu, and Tonica Valla in a lab where the team measured the unusual high conductivity of zirconium pentatelluride.
In fact, when physicists in Brookhaven's Condensed Matter Physics & Materials Science Department (CMP&MS) first measured the significant drop in electrical resistance, and the accompanying dramatic increase in conductivity, they were quite surprised. "We didn't know this large magnitude of 'negative magnetoresistance' was possible," said Qiang Li, a physicist and head of the advanced energy materials group in the department and a co-author on a paper describing these results just published in the journal Nature Physics. But after teaming up with Dmitri Kharzeev, the head of the RIKEN-BNL theory group at Brookhaven and a professor at Stony Brook, the scientists had an explanation.
The ability to lower conductor resistance by utilizing chiral material that matches the chirality of the electric current flowing through it is known as the chiral magnetic effect or chiral-induced spin selectivity (CISS) effect. If we were able to change the chirality of common metals, we'd soon have room temperature superconductors, given that flowing current through metal creates the requisite magnetic field necessary to bring about the chiral magnetic effect.
I'm betting Mr. Wheeler's hobby theory can't explain any of this. QM does. Of course, Mr. Wheeler denies the existence of electrons and of charged particles (although it should be noted he has no problem contradicting himself by relying upon a charged particle... the proton)... so there's no way he could possibly have an explanation for chirality, nor for the chiral magnetic effect upon conductivity.
God! It's annoying how many "clever" people come on this topic to combat its main subject using their own theories, instead to open a new topic to debate there their own visions about how and why the world should be as they think and not the other way!
I have seen over the years this behavior on many other forums where a topic very interesting and non-conformist and which definitely does not fit into the scientifically academic agreed, was diluted by all sorts of "clever" until the initial information was made dust! Is this a coincidence? Perhaps for those who first notices this. For me it is something else!
As a matter of fact the superconductivity is already used by normal people every day at room temperature and pressure. The same for chirality which could be seen in the oldest ancient human cultures around the world. Without the bla, bla, bla of the QM and SR/GR. I'm amazed by the ignorance and the arrogance of those exponent of current scientific model compared to old and native sciences. But that's it, different worlds, different basic bricks!
In the meantime you get an honorable first position in my ignore list! God! Great is your garden, but many "clever" jump its fence!
Ken Wheeler, in experimenting with crystalizing bismuth in a strong magnetic field, may have been corroborating QM more than he knew:
https://blogs.princeton.edu/research/2015/09/03/long-sought-chiral-anomaly-detected-in-crystalline-material-science/
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A study by Princeton researchers presents evidence for a long-sought phenomenon — first theorized in the 1960s and predicted to be found in crystals in 1983 — called the "chiral anomaly" in a metallic compound of sodium and bismuth. The additional finding of an increase in conductivity in the material may suggest ways to improve electrical conductance and minimize energy consumption in future electronic devices.
"Our research fulfills a famous prediction in physics for which confirmation seemed unattainable," said N. Phuan Ong, Princeton's Eugene Higgins Professor of Physics, who co-led the research with Robert Cava, Princeton's Russell Wellman Moore Professor of Chemistry. "The increase in conductivity in the crystal and its dramatic appearance under the right conditions left little doubt that we had observed the long-sought chiral anomaly."
A few decades later, theorists discovered that the presence of electric and magnetic fields ruins the segregation of these particles, causing the two populations to transform into each other with observable consequences.
This field-induced mixing, which became known as the chiral anomaly, was first encountered in 1969 in work by Stephen Adler of the Institute for Advanced Study, John Bell of the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) and Roman Jackiw of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who successfully explained why certain elementary particles, called neutral pions, decay much faster — by a factor of 300 million — than their charged cousins. Over the decades the anomaly has played an important if perplexing role in the grand quest to unify the four fundamental forces of nature.
The prediction that the chiral anomaly could also be observed in crystals came in 1983 from physicists Holger Bech Nielsen of the University of Copenhagen and Masao Ninomiya of the Okayama Institute for Quantum Physics. They suggested that it may be possible to detect the anomaly in a laboratory setting, which would enable researchers to apply intense magnetic fields to test predictions under conditions that would be impossible in high-energy particle colliders.
To see if they could observe the anomaly in Na3Bi, Jun Xiong, a graduate student in physics advised by Ong, cooled a crystal of Na3Bi grown by Satya Kushwaha, a postdoctoral research associate in chemistry who works with Cava, to cryogenic temperatures in the presence of a strong magnetic field that can be rotated relative to the direction of the applied electrical current in the crystal. When the magnetic field was aligned parallel to the current, the two chiral populations intermixed to produce a novel increase in conductivity, which the researchers call the "axial current plume." The experiment confirmed the existence of the chiral anomaly in a crystal.
So, if we were to cool liquid bismuth in a strong magnetic field with a parallel electric current, and cool it quickly to lock those forming crystals into position before thermal effects can deform them, that should force the bismuth into one specific chiral configuration, which should make bismuth much more conductive. A side effect of this would be that it would also be much more diamagnetic.
Sadang...
My position is that most people who have never had set up physical experiments do NOT understand that
theory is just bs if it does fit the physical model , no matter how good is the mathematical proof is..
I have made a method of extracting metals from minerals that does not fit any model so far and any debate
is just bs because it is just debate... The method is industrial and it works and I get money from it..
As to scientific explanation is just way out there ... I looks like Quantum effects are real as the classical math
is not able to explain this ... I believe that there is an area in this reality ? that things appear NOT as they
should ..
I can pull non magnetic metals out of 1800 degree crucible melted rocks with a magnetic field and the
metals are not mixed up with other elements in this process... Standard sciences says this is just bs..
Proof is in my bank, a way to sell and convince industrial engineering that this works is reality..
I am looking ways to understand the magnetic systems that the conventional sciences says it's not
possible.. So arm chair debaters are just that.. As to Ken he has pushed magnetism to the bleeding edge..
Wrong or right I need models that fit to what I see on the lab bench and in that concept " show me real experiments"
that I can do on my bench and don't tell me it's a waste of my time or money, because my resources (money) is
not a limiting factor, however bs from dogmatic saviors is.. Tell me something that science can't explain and
and I will do that physical experiment to try to bust that non standard understanding..
Waste of my time is just re- hash of accepted model of as science has been hijacked, by scientist of dogma..
Ken W. has bloodied all of you here and you just can't let that go.. Wake up reality is not as it seems...
Magnetism is Not understood, as to what it is and not you see ...you are all a bunch of blind men with that
elephant feeling it up..
Suggestion is, you all buy magnets and start to do experiments with them, and after
you have spent $10,000 in magnets maybe you will come to some conclusion that you are are not so smart..
Standard sciences has in fact made you believe in their religion and you are theirs.. just like all the previous
posts have been here ... Again reality is not your friend, Quantum strangeness is your reality..
Unless you accept that last statement you will not believe that the black budget projects have made possible
anti- gravity.. wake up from your dream...
Acca...
Acca I suppose you mistake the addressee of this message. Try to reformulate it!
Has Mr. Wheeler ever gone to a scientific conference? Perhaps in 2009?
Because a physicist on the Science... Sort Of podcast for 2010/01/24, Episode 20, at time 17:30 (ie: The Science Denialist episode) describes being approached by what he terms a "crank" who described to him his warped take on the definition of "inertia" and "how magnets work"... and Mr. Wheeler is the only one I know of with those attributes.
If so, Mr. Wheeler's hatred of conventional science is entirely understandable... he was rejected by mainstream science because his theory is a crackpot theory... I can't imagine the laughter that would have occurred had the physicist allowed Mr. Wheeler to continue on to babble about there being only one mass particle in the universe that can switch back and forth seemingly randomly between "proton-form" and "neutron-form", all the while denying there are charged particles on both the charge and particle terms, while relying upon a charged particle (the proton) for his odd hobby theory, then describing how his theory says the mass-energy equivalency concept doesn't exist, amongst the sundry other oddities encompassed within Wheelerism... and I'm sure the laughter would rise to howls of hilarity once the hijacked aspects of Dollard Theory, Russellian Theory and Circlon Theory were broached. :P
You seem to " babble" with no exception as I see your agenda to discredit Ken because you have fixated
to hate his opinion and your opinion is valid ?
Do set up your constructive voice and at least try to be serious as your posts sound like an ass talking..
Acca..
p.s.
as I have said it to you nobody likes a smart-ass.. your opinion is noted..
Giant Magnet inducing spectral compression
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovslVNiVL-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovslVNiVL-A)
Magnetism & Optics. Near & Far-end spectrum capacitance
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXeDHufVL5Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXeDHufVL5Y)
[/font] https://physics.aps.org/story/v26/st13 (https://physics.aps.org/story/v26/st13)
Here is one for the mirror and a magnet ...LINK above that Kan has posted in his last clips on his channel...
Acca..
Focus: Measuring the Magnetism of Light
BY
–Michael Schirber
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September 24, 2010• Phys. Rev. Focus 26, 13
Two research teams used a ring-like probe to directly characterize the magnetic field of infrared light in a small cavity.
Light is a wave of both electric and magnetic fields, but when these waves strike matter, the weaker effect of the magnetic component has been nearly impossible to detect directly. Now two groups have independently demonstrated that a tiny, metallic probe will interact strongly with the magnetic field of light waves trapped in a sort of semiconductor "box." As described in a pair of papers in the 17 September Physical Review Letters, a similar set-up could be used either to measure the high frequency magnetic properties of individual nano-scale objects, or to map the magnetic field inside so-called metamaterials that can control light in new ways.
When light interacts with matter, the dominant action is often a "shaking" up and down of electrons in response to the electric field. This interaction is typically 10,000 times larger than the "swirling" action from a light wave's magnetic field. The case is different in metamaterials, which contain small components like metal rings that are often tailored to have an enhanced response to magnetic fields. Thanks to this sensitivity, light traveling through a metamaterial can bend in unusual ways, making feasible such devices as super-lenses and invisibility cloaks.
Previously, researchers could measure the magnetic interaction between light and some form of matter only by subtracting the dominant electric interaction from the total effect of the light. Now two experimental groups have managed to directly isolate the magnetic field effect. They worked with a type of 2-dimensional device called a photonic crystal microcavity. The crystal is fabricated by perforating a thin layer of semiconductor with a pattern of tiny holes, like a micron-sized punch card. The cavity is made by leaving a small region "un-punched" and letting the surrounding lattice of holes act like mirrored walls that keep infrared light bouncing around in the cavity as standing waves.
In the last few years, researchers have been characterizing the trapped light in photonic cavities by bringing the tip of a needle-shaped optical fiber within nanometers of the surface. This probe perturbs the electric field and shifts the trapped light to longer wavelengths. The new experiments used a fiber tip coated with a thin layer of aluminum that covers all but the very bottom of the tip. This "tube" of metal acts like a ring a few hundred nanometers across.
Both research teams were at first surprised to find that these metal rings caused a blue-shift in the trapped light. But later they realized that according to classical electrodynamics, the light's oscillating magnetic field induces a current in the tip's metallic ring, which creates a secondary magnetic field that points in the opposite direction to the original. This field cancels out some of the magnetic field in the cavity and thereby reduces the volume for the trapped light. Less volume means shorter, bluer wavelengths. "It's like playing guitar," says Tobias Kampfrath of the FOM Institute for Atomic and Molecular Physics (AMOLF) in Amsterdam. "If you make the guitar strings shorter, the resonant wavelengths will shorten as well."
A team including Kampfrath, AMOLF's Kobus Kuipers, and others, was able to measure a blue-shift of about 0.03 percent with their cavity and probe. They combined this with an estimate for the cavity's maximum magnetic field to obtain the magnetic properties of their nano-sized ring. The results matched theoretical expectations, so the authors suggest this method could be used to measure the magnetic response of other small objects, such as carbon nanotubes or even single atoms. They also recently performed a variant on this experiment, in which they used a tip with an open ring to probe the magnetic field of propagating (untrapped) light [1 (https://physics.aps.org/story/v26/st13#c1)].
The other group's experiment was similar, except that they gleaned different information from the magnetic interaction. Instead of measuring the ring's properties, Silvia Vignolini, now at the University of Cambridge, Diederik Wiersma of the European Laboratory for Non-linear Spectroscopy (LENS) in Florence, Italy, and their collaborators, scanned their metal-coated tip over the photonic crystal surface to construct an image showing the spatial patterns of the magnetic field.
"The imaging itself is nice," says Claus Ropers, of the University of Göttingen in Germany, "but the real breakthrough of these works lies in the quantitative extraction and potential control over local magnetic interactions and coupling strengths." Harald Giessen of the University of Stuttgart compares the experiments to the late 19th century work of Heinrich Hertz, who used a ring-shaped antenna to map the magnetic fields of radio waves. Giessen believes these new probing techniques will prove useful in the fabrication of novel optical devices.
–Michael Schirber
Michael Schirber is a freelance science writer in Lyon, France.[/font]
Confirmation
Quote from: profitis on February 23, 2016, 10:07:15 AM
Confirmation
That's right... confirmation YET AGAIN that refutes Kenny's "hobby theory" (which isn't really a theory at all, more like a gobbledegook set of confabulations and fantasy conjectures).
QuoteWhen light interacts with matter, the dominant action is often a "shaking" up and down of electrons in response to the electric field.
But there are no electrons, remember?
QuoteThe crystal is fabricated by perforating a thin layer of semiconductor with a pattern of tiny holes, like a micron-sized punch card.
Engineered and fabricated using machines and techniques like electron-beam lithography-- techniques and machines that were designed, built and operated according to Classical and Quantum Electrodynamics, not Kenny's "hobby theory" which denies their principles of operation completely.
QuoteBut later they realized that according to classical electrodynamics, the light's oscillating magnetic field induces a current in the tip's metallic ring, which creates a secondary magnetic field that points in the opposite direction to the original.
What part of CLASSICAL ELECTRODYNAMICS do you not understand? Oh.. that's right.... ALL OF IT. However the people that do understand it can use it to observe, describe, predict and CONTROL phenomena and apparatus like are described and used in this set of experiments.
QuoteThe results matched theoretical expectations
Which theory provided those expectations? Certainly not Kenny's "hobby theory". But Classical Electrodynamics did.
I invite you to submit Kenny's "theory" to the scientists who performed these delicate and elegant experiments, and to report their responses here. That will be a real hoot to see.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 23, 2016, 12:20:39 PM
That's right... confirmation YET AGAIN that refutes Kenny's "hobby theory" (which isn't really a theory at all, more like a gobbledegook set of confabulations and fantasy conjectures).
But there are no electrons, remember?
Engineered and fabricated using machines and techniques like electron-beam lithography-- techniques and machines that were designed, built and operated according to Classical and Quantum Electrodynamics, not Kenny's "hobby theory" which denies their principles of operation completely.
What part of CLASSICAL ELECTRODYNAMICS do you not understand? Oh.. that's right.... ALL OF IT. However the people that do understand it can use it to observe, describe, predict and CONTROL phenomena and apparatus like are described and used in this set of experiments.
Which theory provided those expectations? Certainly not Kenny's "hobby theory". But Classical Electrodynamics did.
I invite you to submit Kenny's "theory" to the scientists who performed these delicate and elegant experiments, and to report their responses here. That will be a real hoot to see.
Did you hear? The LIGO detection of gravity waves was confirmed by a gamma ray signal detection by the Fermi Gamma Ray Satellite 0.04 seconds after LIGO's detection... which is completely what was expected. That must really burn Mr. Wheeler up. LIGO confirmed Einstein's theory, and the FGRS confirmed LIGO.
The two black holes, orbiting close and fast, threw off energy in the form of perturbations in space-time, which caused their orbits to decay... in the final split-second, the energy given off in the form of gravitational waves is estimated to be approximately three times all the mass in our sun. You'll remember my earlier post about how much energy is contained in mass.... 25 terawatt-hours per kilogram... so the amount of energy released boggles the mind.
Eventually, they became so close that the energy given off in the form of gravity waves increased exponentially, exponentially decaying the orbit, giving the "whoop" LIGO detection. The merging of the two black holes momentarily gave energy compressed into those two black holes the opportunity to escape, which it did in the form of extremely high-energy gamma rays, which followed right along behind the gravity waves at the speed of light. This gives a clue as to how long it took for the merger to take place.
The LIGO detection (and the Fermi Gamma Ray Satellite detection) confirms Einstein's theory, but it has important ramifications as regards what we know about the future of the universe, and what the cause of gravity is.
{ANALOGY ALERT}
In the past, I'd used an analogy. There are those who cannot grasp analogies. It'd be best for all concerned if those who struggle to understand analogies didn't read what is written below. That'll save you embarrassing yourself again. ;D
{/ANALOGY ALERT}
Our universe is somewhat like those coin wells you see, where you roll a coin down a ramp, and it spirals around until it gets to the center, where it drops in. Except the "fabric" of our "coin well" is flexible, and is being continually expanded, expanding the size of the "coin well". And our universe doesn't have a hole in the center for the "coins" to drop into a coin container.
This happens because our "coin well" universe's "fabric" is the QVZPE field, the fabric of space-time. It can be considered an extension of the stars, a cold plasma, whereas the stars are hot plasma. It is comprised of electromagnetic radiation of all conceivable frequencies.
As stars convert mass to energy via fusion and that energy streams out across the universe, it entropies at a rate of (4/3)*r
3 per unit distance due to spreading out spherically. Eventually, it reaches its maximum entropy and thus is considered a part of the QVZPE field. Obviously, this increases QVZPE field radiation pressure. The universe has only two options to relieve this pressure... either concretize mass, or expand. It expands, thus our "coin well" is expanding.
Now, rolling about on this "coin well" fabric of space time are several "coins" of various weights... the planets, moons, stars, black holes, etc... all spiraling slowly (from a cosmological perspective) toward a central point, the universe's "center of gravity", or that point in the universe where all the mass and energy will eventually reach its maximum entropy.
Imagine, if you will, a universe far in the future. All the stars have burned out, thus energy is no longer being pumped out to increase QVZPE field radiation pressure. The black holes have consumed nearly all the matter, and are actively sucking in QVZPE field electromagnetic radiation. Thus, the universe must contract, since QVZPE field radiation pressure is decreasing. The universe is dark, and its fabric is nearly flat (being pulled into those black holes would cause it to flatten out), punctuated by giant wells that are moving about space-time, the black holes trying to reach their highest entropy points.
Now imagine that eventually the universe consists of one gigantic black hole that has engorged itself on all matter and all energy in the universe except one particle far out, a billion light years away from this black hole... the universe's fabric is shaped like a giant ball with a tiny thread extending outward to that single particle. The particle slowly makes its way toward the black hole, accelerating all the while.
Eventually, that particle will merge with the giant black hole, and the universe's space-time fabric will close in on itself, it'll be a giant ball.
Now, we know that gravity is measured by the curvature of space-time, the geodesic deviation from a flat Riemannian space, a tensor known as the Riemann curvature tensor.
Now ask yourself, what happens when the curvature of space-time closes on itself into a ball because the only thing left is that giant black hole? What happens when there is no more QVZPE field because it's been sucked into that massive black hole? The spherical curvature causes gravity to be self-cancelling from all directions, thus gravity does not exist anymore! And at that point in time when the tiny particle finally merges with the black hole, we get another Big Bang because of the tremendous radiation pressure within that black hole no longer being contained by gravity.
1500 VIDEOS!! Thanks & a Lost Secret of Nikola Tesla on Magnetism
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWumcHd0M2E
Magnetic Seeds & Mystery of Bird Navigation
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNXQiV4U3G0
MAGNETISM PARTICLE DYNAMICS
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZhETcDHDRY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZhETcDHDRY)
Secrets of Magnetism Part 1: Phase Disparity Explains the Mysteries of Magnetism
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V04t-6kE0o
Secrets of Magnetism Part 2: Phase Disparity Explains the Mysteries of Magnetism
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Ucnrho9XA
Inertia & MAGNETISM: The Conjugate Principles of Force & Motion / Inertia & Acceleration
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXuINSLqQAg
How do we tap into this dielectricity without all the usual spinning contraptions and coils? Or is all that stuff still needed?
You already are deeply taping into this dielectricity, just need to twist your mind away from current electricity, magnetism and electromagentic theory, to sense its real and huge potential!
Never seen Before: BENDING LIGHT from Precision Prism with a MONSTER MAGNET
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDQlCvsJnK8
@ Buddha buddy with Tatoos ;)
Don´t let yourself be provoked by those - who at best - feel insulted from being "outperformed", or are just trying to poke you, so you provide them everything pre-chewed on a silverplate.
Well, on the other hand it says "If you can not explain it to a child, it means you have not understood yourself" - but how much easier and more elegant it can get?
Nor blame or insult anyone for not knowing (it reflects back, although i like that kind of "in your face" humor).
GR is "mental wanking" .. QM is "intellectual diarrhea" !
Their whole fundament of science (pfffsicks) is built upon the fundaments of deception and lies. To make matters worse, they feel confirmed in their ignorance by prior achieved technologies - manifesting as self-deceptive evidence.
And then they wonder about "dark projects" and "secret technology". What they really should wonder about is "secret and different and better understandings in physics".
Nor do you have to feed them the "wisdom" down their throats and by force, because as most and many they will only compare one (the old) "knowledge" with another (the new) - at best. That´s exactly their own doom and stalemate.
Well, if they would have actually done that properly and would have gone back in history of physics, maybe that method would have helped them ALOT.
They are unable of thinking, questioning (even the things taken for granted), asking, REASONING on their own. How can they be? Their whole education system is based on "what to know" not "how to know".
Ancient times it was said.. "control the language of men and you will control their thinking, hence their lives"
There are enough, who have fully understood the potential (including oppertunities for serious applications) of your work.
I am not going to participate here in discussions and arguments and forum flame wars, but one thing i will add - INTENTIONALLY and PURPOSLY!
""..The pendulums of time wave over the heads of the deceivers and the deceived. Once the two wrecking balls start smashing the lies in science and in religions, humanity will be freed from the chains of the past, passing through a new "Time". This "Age" will not be the end, but the true birth of humanity..."" par moi
Relative Motion Magnetic Red-Shift & Blue-Shift phase disparity
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47T1_5P8jtg
More garbage from the Ultimate Guru of Garbage.
Inertia & Magnetism: Unveiling the fundamental mystery of the Universe & its Simplicity
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O8Jt0Ccizc
Quote from: TinK
More garbage from the Ultimate Guru of Garbage.
:o
Will you Eat Crow or will you Eat Garbage? ;)
The more I see the more I like. 8)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 16, 2016, 06:23:29 PM
:o
Will you Eat Crow or will you Eat Garbage? ;)
The more I see the more I like. 8)
Then it sounds like you're the one who is gobbling up the garbage. Tasty, isn't it? Better be careful, you might get fat. But you can probably get a good deal on a fake Chinese posture chair for fat people if you need one.
Be sure and let me know when someone is able to engineer something using that garbage, that isn't already fully covered by conventional, _real_, physics.
I aree with the SeaMonkey
When Kenny comes here he spends too much time swinging chairs around.[no pun intended Tinsel]
Its easier to see his perspective with just a nice presentation.
and yes, I get the Bismuth and magnet Thing as presented [no way no how]
however ,
perhaps that needed a different perspective too ?".
thanks to Sadang for keeping this up to date.
respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: TinK
Be sure and let me know when someone is able to engineer something using that garbage, that isn't already fully covered by conventional, _real_, physics.
The problem is that
"Conventional_Real_Physics" is
still in its
infancy as an observation based study
of electromagnetic phenomena and there are
conflicting views regarding the nature of almost
everything. ::)
Enlightened discourse is always welcome. ;)
Particularly when it makes enormous sense. 8)
Conventional_Real_Physics is long overdue for some
major revision. :o
- Vortex Magnetism: FIRST TIME Ever Seen. Additional means of seeing Vortex Pressure curves (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr-JpCxAMaY)
- Secrets of Magnetism: Bending Light with Magnetism & the Plane of Inertia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ES78p5zfE)
@Theo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Magnetic_Inclination_2015.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_dip
a meter used to measure the angle of matgnetic field on earth ... at 0 - I guess the flux lines are all horizontal to the ground... and that line is entirely below the equator ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D1ANJTb_2k
Molten iron vs magnets...
not very entertaining in reality since molten iron is well above it's curie point?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFGb7NlUvgg
additional information on the state of things that are known
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=surface-fields-101
What doesn't the Surface Field number tell me? [that is, when measureing points on a magnet with a gauss meter]
"One example is referred to as edge-effects. Especially for neodymium magnets that are thinner than they are wide, you'll find much higher magnetic field strengths right at the edges. Consider the magnetic field (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/magfield.asp?pName=D82)[/font][/size] of a [/size]D82 (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=D82)[/font][/size] magnet. The strength at the center is 2952 Gauss, but it gets much higher right at the edges."
Not that there's any particular difference in the nature or type of field at those locations.[/size]
Ken Thanks !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujti8Xofkwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujti8Xofkwg)
Great video indeed! He's closer and closer to the intimate nature of Universe, and of course years ahead the official dogmatic science. I personally appreciate his work very much and I still hope he will pass someday the thinking borders established by Greek philosophers. Cause before them were many, many other much greater cultures and achievements. Much greater!
Ken has a nice new Toy
A magnetic real time holograph
also being discussed here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20702-new-invention-magnetic-holographic-sphere-shocking.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20703-new-supercell-magnetic-field-view-if-doesnt-amaze-then-you-dont-have-pulse.html
Vids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9AU6IQE1uk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-CbKHbH5QA
respectfully
Chet K
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Lol hey joelitis! Don't let this guy use his
sciphon for pleasure too!
Lol hey joelitis! Let's be everyones friend
except this guy, over there lol!
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speech] hey joelitis! Let's read this from right to left lol!"
"I'm not drinking anymore" lol hey joelitis!
Let's create a vampire, over there lol!
i think ken's magnetism is wrong. he doesn't know how atoms are formed.
MAGNETISM
2 parallel wires at r distance, the free electrons in the 2 wires repel each other with force f=Ke x q1q2/rr, that force is the carrier of energy/moving electric force. if electrons accelerate in wire 1 at 3 volts, electrons in wire 2 will instantly have 3vq1 emf. the true mechanism of electromagnetic induction. same as momentum conservation.
every magnetic atom/magton contains 2 atoms. 2 atoms of a ferromagnetic matter before magnetize, we put it as 00. if 1 electron moved from 1 atom to the other atom and stays there as 01, the 2 atoms become a magton, it carries a special property now, we call it magnetic force.
01, 02, 03...0n are all magton, but carry different magnetic force strength.
2 magtons attract each other in the direction 01+01, and repel each other in the direction 01-10 or 10-01.
use copper wire winding around an iron core, put a current, the electrons in the wire move in circles around the core, make atoms in the core arrange into 0101 directions all the way. on the pole plane area, magtons are arranged as clockwise concentric circles of 0101 directions, north pole.
reverse the current direction, the pole plane area magtons are arranged as counterclockwise concentric circles of 0101 directions, south pole.
so, a magnet north pole stored clockwise electric force, south pole stored the counterclockwise electric force. the same poles always repel, different poles always attract.
the earth magnetic field is a mistake. there is no field but the force in the universe. sunlight moves electrons moving westward causing earth magnetic force interact with compasses.
there is only 1 force exists, coulomb force f=Ke x q1q2/rr. gravity and magnetic force are both different configurations of electric force.
without matters, there is no force. a single matter has no force. force can only exist between matters.
without a test body, where is the electric or magnetic field? where is gravity field?
the mysteries of the universe are within 2 equations.
f=Ke x e1e1/rr and f=G x m1m2/rr.
those 2 forces rule everything existing.
the mechanism of quantum entanglement is simple. the force between any 2 charged particles f=Ke x qp/rr is the carrier of energy/information/moving electric force. it is an invisible physical rod with zero mass that always connected 2 particles as 1. if 1 particle is energized, that energy instantly transferred to another. from f=ma, m=0, so energy instantly moved from 1 particle to another. we call it QE.
Coil Less Ggenerator principle
drop a magnet in a copper tube, it produces current circling the tube, if we cut a gap along the tube, there should be a voltage between the gap.
can we use copper tubing replace the coils to make a generator? it should be less resistance, smaller and lighter.
i wish i can draw or have the euips to try. think this way.
put a magnet on the bike tire, ns pole direction is circling direction, it will generate a current on the fender at 90 degrees, the two edges are the terminals.
Magnetic Propulsion System principle
if we move charged mercury in a ring at high speed, it will produce strong circling electric force/magnetic force/magnetic field. can we use that force interacting with earth magnetic force to produce thrust?
replace the mercury ring by a strong ring magnet, should be the same thing? powered by gas engines?
seen night vision ufo orbs? when they powered up, the orbs increase volume.
seen magnet drop in copper tube producing light?
maybe store the momentum in a flywheel, engage to idle sping magnet whenever need?
maybe use the moving mercury ring as the flywheel, connect it to same mass mercury in an insulated container. make the two bodies of mercury as capacitor terminals.
increase the voltage between the mercury in the ring and the stored mercury, increase the magnetic force. simpler design?
Quote from: CycleGuy on February 24, 2016, 09:33:51 PM
Did you hear? The LIGO detection of gravity waves was confirmed by a gamma ray signal detection by the Fermi Gamma Ray Satellite 0.04 seconds after LIGO's detection... which is completely what was expected. That must really burn Mr. Wheeler up. LIGO confirmed Einstein's theory, and the FGRS confirmed LIGO.
The two black holes, orbiting close and fast, threw off energy in the form of perturbations in space-time, which caused their orbits to decay... in the final split-second, the energy given off in the form of gravitational waves is estimated to be approximately three times all the mass in our sun. You'll remember my earlier post about how much energy is contained in mass.... 25 terawatt-hours per kilogram... so the amount of energy released boggles the mind.
Eventually, they became so close that the energy given off in the form of gravity waves increased exponentially, exponentially decaying the orbit, giving the "whoop" LIGO detection. The merging of the two black holes momentarily gave energy compressed into those two black holes the opportunity to escape, which it did in the form of extremely high-energy gamma rays, which followed right along behind the gravity waves at the speed of light. This gives a clue as to how long it took for the merger to take place.
The LIGO detection (and the Fermi Gamma Ray Satellite detection) confirms Einstein's theory, but it has important ramifications as regards what we know about the future of the universe, and what the cause of gravity is.
{ANALOGY ALERT}
In the past, I'd used an analogy. There are those who cannot grasp analogies. It'd be best for all concerned if those who struggle to understand analogies didn't read what is written below. That'll save you embarrassing yourself again. ;D
{/ANALOGY ALERT}
Our universe is somewhat like those coin wells you see, where you roll a coin down a ramp, and it spirals around until it gets to the center, where it drops in. Except the "fabric" of our "coin well" is flexible, and is being continually expanded, expanding the size of the "coin well". And our universe doesn't have a hole in the center for the "coins" to drop into a coin container.
This happens because our "coin well" universe's "fabric" is the QVZPE field, the fabric of space-time. It can be considered an extension of the stars, a cold plasma, whereas the stars are hot plasma. It is comprised of electromagnetic radiation of all conceivable frequencies.
As stars convert mass to energy via fusion and that energy streams out across the universe, it entropies at a rate of (4/3)*r3 per unit distance due to spreading out spherically. Eventually, it reaches its maximum entropy and thus is considered a part of the QVZPE field. Obviously, this increases QVZPE field radiation pressure. The universe has only two options to relieve this pressure... either concretize mass, or expand. It expands, thus our "coin well" is expanding.
Now, rolling about on this "coin well" fabric of space time are several "coins" of various weights... the planets, moons, stars, black holes, etc... all spiraling slowly (from a cosmological perspective) toward a central point, the universe's "center of gravity", or that point in the universe where all the mass and energy will eventually reach its maximum entropy.
Imagine, if you will, a universe far in the future. All the stars have burned out, thus energy is no longer being pumped out to increase QVZPE field radiation pressure. The black holes have consumed nearly all the matter, and are actively sucking in QVZPE field electromagnetic radiation. Thus, the universe must contract, since QVZPE field radiation pressure is decreasing. The universe is dark, and its fabric is nearly flat (being pulled into those black holes would cause it to flatten out), punctuated by giant wells that are moving about space-time, the black holes trying to reach their highest entropy points.
Now imagine that eventually the universe consists of one gigantic black hole that has engorged itself on all matter and all energy in the universe except one particle far out, a billion light years away from this black hole... the universe's fabric is shaped like a giant ball with a tiny thread extending outward to that single particle. The particle slowly makes its way toward the black hole, accelerating all the while.
Eventually, that particle will merge with the giant black hole, and the universe's space-time fabric will close in on itself, it'll be a giant ball.
Now, we know that gravity is measured by the curvature of space-time, the geodesic deviation from a flat Riemannian space, a tensor known as the Riemann curvature tensor.
Now ask yourself, what happens when the curvature of space-time closes on itself into a ball because the only thing left is that giant black hole? What happens when there is no more QVZPE field because it's been sucked into that massive black hole? The spherical curvature causes gravity to be self-cancelling from all directions, thus gravity does not exist anymore! And at that point in time when the tiny particle finally merges with the black hole, we get another Big Bang because of the tremendous radiation pressure within that black hole no longer being contained by gravity.
ligo is total bs. they detected 2 black holes merged 1.3 billion years ago? how come they cannot detect cme or earthquakes? gravity wave must be instantaneous, otherwise no planets ale to stay in orbit. space-time curvature is bs. einstein is bs.
Dats amaaaayzin
1 electron carries 1 negative charge
if we smash the electron into 1000000 equal pieces, each piece will carry 1/1000000 negative charge. Let's call it enertron.
since enertrons carry the same negative charge, they repel each other.
if we have a perfect bottle, which means no leakage, no react, like glass bottle to air.
we put 1000000 enertrons into the perfect bottle, since enertrons repel each other, they put a pressure on the bottle wall. let's measure and call that pressure 1 volt.
if we put 8000000 enertrons into the same bottle, the pressure on the wall should be 4 volts.
now if 1 enertron is moving or vibrating, the rest all enertrons will be energized.
that is the mechanism of light/quantum.
now if we put 1 positive charge into the perfect bottle, what will happen?
enertrons should be attracted by the positive charge and form a ball around it, the closer to the positive charge the denser enertron cloud. the density of the enertron is decay at 1/rrr due to the repulsion force between enertrons decay at 1/rr.
the enertron cloud is always vibrating, due to the existence of energy, the unbalance attraction force and repulsion force, within the enertron cloud and the center positive charge.
now image enertron is the real thing, it carries a tiny negative charge, something like 1/10^33 electron charge, but it has a stronger force field, similar to neodymium magnet compare with iron magnet.
image proton actually carries 918 positive charges, it attracted 917 total charges of enertrons formed a solid ball, 1 electron attached to the ball to form a neutrally charged hydrogen atom. 1 atomic weight equals to 1936 total charges, no matter positive or negative charges.
this is the realistic atomic structure.
atoms are solid balls, matter is not compressible. such as water.
if atoms are constructed as science told you, why matter is not compressible? electron shell/wave/cloud/orbital are negatively charged, they do not stick to positive changed nuclear is a magic, how can they stand any force/impact/reaction without crashing?
why is energy conserved?
if you push/put a moving force on any enertron with a force f, that force is spreading to all the enertrons in the bottle at light speed, they all are moving now, and cannot stop ever.
do we have a perfect bottle?
yes, every atom is a perfect bottle. all matters are a perfect bottle. energy has nowhere to go but bounce within and between matters.
the forces f=Ke x e1e2/rr and f=G x m1m2/rr are like perfect springs between/within matters, connected all matters in 1.
1 for all, all for 1.
vote me or not?
"that is the mechanism of light/quantum."
Alamos like a skin
Quote from: CycleGuy on February 22, 2016, 01:46:48 AM
Has Mr. Wheeler ever gone to a scientific conference? Perhaps in 2009?
Because a physicist on the Science... Sort Of podcast for 2010/01/24, Episode 20, at time 17:30 (ie: The Science Denialist episode) describes being approached by what he terms a "crank" who described to him his warped take on the definition of "inertia" and "how magnets work"... and Mr. Wheeler is the only one I know of with those attributes.
If so, Mr. Wheeler's hatred of conventional science is entirely understandable... he was rejected by mainstream science because his theory is a crackpot theory... I can't imagine the laughter that would have occurred had the physicist allowed Mr. Wheeler to continue on to babble about there being only one mass particle in the universe that can switch back and forth seemingly randomly between "proton-form" and "neutron-form", all the while denying there are charged particles on both the charge and particle terms, while relying upon a charged particle (the proton) for his odd hobby theory, then describing how his theory says the mass-energy equivalency concept doesn't exist, amongst the sundry other oddities encompassed within Wheelerism... and I'm sure the laughter would rise to howls of hilarity once the hijacked aspects of Dollard Theory, Russellian Theory and Circlon Theory were broached. :P
you have no clue
mainstream science, from qm to ttb, gr and sr, standard model, maxwell em theory all all BS.
do you want to talk about?
no scientists, no theories, able to explain how 1 electron and 1 proton can form a stable atom.
there is only 1 force exists in an atom system, the attraction force f=Ke x pq/rr. what's qm based on? what to calculate? what is a quantum state? what is energy level? none scientists have a clear clue about what exactly is energy.
gravity is attraction force between matters. space and time contain no matter, no mass, no property, how the fucking gravity able to interact with space or time? what's the mechanism?
there is no transverse waves in space, no moving electric or magnetic field in space. because there is no force carrier in space.
those bs theories ruled science for so long, time to clean it all up.
last night i had a strange dream
in that dream i farted hard
i saw 21 billion fart atoms
some blue some purple
i looked at my watch
0.33 second has passed
Albert Einstein proposed that a beam of light is not a wave propagating through space, but rather a collection of discrete wave packets (photons), each with energy hν. This shed light on Max Planck's previous discovery of the Planck relation (E = hν) linking energy (E) and frequency (ν) as arising from quantization of energy. The factor h is known as the Planck constant.[1][2]
All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta? Nowadays every Tom, D i c k and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken. -Albert Einstein 1953
planck pranked the world. h=horse shit
light does not propagate in vacuum space, there is no light in vacuum space.
light is electrons vibration force, only exist within matters, only propagate within matters/mediums.
a black hole is impossible
all matters carry light
bigger mass, stronger light.
electrons can only move/vibrate along the plane perpendicular to the radius of the atoms on the surface of matters.
the electrical force/field is oscillating on the plane and the energy is propagating at 90 degrees.
this is all happening within matter/medium.
in the vacuum, the force between electrons on the sun surface and our outer atmosphere surface atoms instantly transfer the energy. pass it through the atmosphere to us.
the transverse wave only exists within matter.
man-made em waves are a different story
the electrons vibrate a longer distance in the antenna, at much lower rate.
light is ac current, vibrating electric force.
every atom is an ac generator. electrons vibrate on the plane perpendicular to the radius due to their momentum.
assume your room is a vacuum chamber, if the distance between the screen and your eyes is r, the repulsion force between the electrons on the screen and your eyes is f=Ke x ee/rr. that force is the carrier of light.
if the electrons on the screen vibrate at a frequency, electrons on your eyes will get f strength of ac current at the same frequency.
there is no time delay in the vacuum space, a force has zero mass, from f=ma, any forces have infinite acceleration, all forces are instantaneous in the vacuum space.
forces pass through matters/mediums have limited speed, due to f=ma, all matters have mass.
scientists are mostly blinder. they learned from bad teachers. space-time is BS. einstein all theories are BS. the force between charges f=Ke x pq/rr is the carrier of all radiation/em wave/light/quanta. that force is like a massless physical rod connected charges all the time. that force is also like a zero resistance conductor connected charges in space. that's why light speed in space is infinite. science is after fact and mechanism, not after big names and theories.
Isatwit,
what d'you make of August 17?
i want to make love. too bad my g/f is the moon.
'i want to make love. too bad my g/f is the moon."