http://pesn.com/2014/08/05/9602523_George-Wiseman_Describes_Al-Throckmortons_Overunity-Water-Pump_at_TeslaTech-2014/ (http://pesn.com/2014/08/05/9602523_George-Wiseman_Describes_Al-Throckmortons_Overunity-Water-Pump_at_TeslaTech-2014/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnxUFTt4lAg#t=740
Many people think well of George Wiseman. The funky pump could function. George Wiseman did not have any data to back up the pump inventor's claims. If the pump were over unity then all those people chasing Papp could turn their attention to this.
Quote from: MarkE on August 06, 2014, 06:46:36 PM
Many people think well of George Wiseman. The funky pump could function. George Wiseman did not have any data to back up the pump inventor's claims. If the pump were over unity then all those people chasing Papp could turn their attention to this.
Clearly he didn't have any data, in fact he couldn't say that it could even be self looped. He didn't even have it fully connected up.
It was enough for me to do a mental redesign on it to see that this is a *super idea*. **** the Pump. Why not use two horizontal
pressure tanks then just shoot water back and forth from one tank to another through a single outlet pipe each each. The high pressure
check values would route the charging water unidirectionally through a turbo generator. An HHO no piston water engine genset.
But how do I know it would be an overunity idea? Well HHO combustion doesn't work like normal hydrocarbon combustion. HHO
doesn't have a thermal energy storage density of other fuels...I don't care because it was not in there when I electrolyzed it. I didn't
put it in there. So somehow HHO works better in expansion engines then thermal engines but in composite engines these fuel
work about the same. So in an expansion engine like this it is going to work about the same even though I have put significantly
less energy into generating its fuel.
And don't worry; If ever I show any operating machine it *will* have operating data. This BS of standing firm on single string
of instrumentation based data evidence, or even none at all has *got* to end.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on August 07, 2014, 05:08:31 PM
Clearly he didn't have any data, in fact he couldn't say that it could even be self looped. He didn't even have it fully connected up.
It was enough for me to do a mental redesign on it to see that this is a *super idea*. **** the Pump. Why not use two horizontal
pressure tanks then just shoot water back and forth from one tank to another through a single outlet pipe each each. The high pressure
check values would route the charging water unidirectionally through a turbo generator. An HHO no piston water engine genset.
But how do I know it would be an overunity idea? Well HHO combustion doesn't work like normal hydrocarbon combustion. HHO
doesn't have a thermal energy storage density of other fuels...I don't care because it was not in there when I electrolyzed it. I didn't
put it in there. So somehow HHO works better in expansion engines then thermal engines but in composite engines these fuel
work about the same. So in an expansion engine like this it is going to work about the same even though I have put significantly
less energy into generating its fuel.
And don't worry; If ever I show any operating machine it *will* have operating data. This BS of standing firm on single string
of instrumentation based data evidence, or even none at all has *got* to end.
:S:MarkSCoffman
I am not faulting George Wiseman. He said what he knew. He is respected as an honest man.
My view of merit follows along KISS. If electrolyzing water can produce more chemical energy out than electrical energy in, then I say prove that concept first and design applications such as this pump, later.
Interesting adaptation of Savery's Steam Pump (1702) using HHO gas production as opposed to using steam. Regards Arto.