If somebody tells you that perpetual motion is impossible, then he/she must have had access to a 'TIME-MACHINE' -------- travelled to the 'end of time' ----------- found out that perpetual motion IS impossible ------------ came back, and
told you! I doubt that very much, don't you?
If a perpetual motion device IS ever made, and it breaks the so-called 'laws' of motion, too bad.
Because such a device, has yet to be made/invented, doesn't mean it never will.
BILL.
Well Bill
I have to second that statement for it is well thought out. But don't leave Bessler out of it, for if they had a time machine, they could go back and possibility at least film Bessler and have better clues despite him not showing the inside.
Alan
Quote from: SPANG on October 12, 2014, 02:36:33 AM
If somebody tells you that perpetual motion is impossible, then he/she must have had access to a 'TIME-MACHINE' -------- travelled to the 'end of time' ----------- found out that perpetual motion IS impossible ------------ came back, and
told you! I doubt that very much, don't you?
If a perpetual motion device IS ever made, and it breaks the so-called 'laws' of motion, too bad.
Because such a device, has yet to be made/invented, doesn't mean it never will.
BILL.
Ironically, a time machine that can go backwards and forwards would mean that perpetual motion is possible.
Al,
I see what I wrote, as simple common sense. All the so-called 'laws', of motion etc..., must 'all' come under
this heading!
How, on Earth, can 'anyone' say that 'such-and-such' is a 'law', without travelling to the 'end of time', to find out
if that 'law' is correct? Anyone, who believes that the 'laws' of motion are correct, without having travelled to
the 'end of time', to prove them correct, must be kidding themselves! Lemmings.
BILL.
If you ride a bike, drive a car, fly in an airplane, cross a bridge, ride a train... you can thank a bunch of Engineers. All of whom believe in the Laws of Motion, enough to engineer using them, to make this modern world in which we find ourselves... and which we take so much for granted. Even the computer you are reading this on was designed by engineers and scientists who respect those laws you are railing against.
Perhaps they are not "right" in whatever sense you want to define. But they are certainly right enough "for government work" or any other operations you might want to try. Take a look at the Cassini mission to Saturn. Nearly a billion miles, many years of travel time, by a robot probe, sent on its way and navigating using those laws of motion that upset you so. We (but not you, you unbeliever!) landed a robot probe on Titan! Using Newton's laws! When you can come up with something better than that... please let me know right away.
Tinselkoala.
I'm very sorry, to hear you say that. You are obviously, misguided, and confused! The makers of these
machines that you mentioned, DID NOT use the 'laws' of motion, to develop them, they simply, fitted in AFTER their
devices were developed. 2+2= 4, so does 3+1. I could go on ------------ stop being stupid!
BILL.
I'm sorry, Webby,
I haven't a clue, what you're talking about! Can you be more specific?
BILL.
Thanks Webby 1,
One of the things to remember, is this; if people keep saying perpetual motion is impossible,
without 'proving' it, and are just taking the word of well known scientists etc.., which is NOT proof in itself, and
they, (the scientists), provide mathematical 'proof/s' of their theories, which may be very close, but not accurate,
then it may 'put off' those people who might invent a device, that 'may' break the so-called 'laws' of motion, and
it 'may' be a perpetual motion device!
BILL.
Quote from: SPANG on October 19, 2014, 11:53:23 AM
Thanks Webby 1,
One of the things to remember, is this; if people keep saying perpetual motion is impossible,
without 'proving' it, and are just taking the word of well known scientists etc.., which is NOT proof in itself, and
they, (the scientists), provide mathematical 'proof/s' of their theories, which may be very close, but not accurate,
then it may 'put off' those people who might invent a device, that 'may' break the so-called 'laws' of motion, and
it 'may' be a perpetual motion device!
BILL.
I think I understand what you are saying here but, so far, every one that has attempted a perpetual motion device has "proven" that it does not work. It has been "proven" for hundreds of years. This is not to say that it will never be done, I do not like to speak in absolutes which is why I said "so far", in my first sentence. All I am saying is that, at this point in time, all of the laws dealing with this type of device still hold up. We will have to see what the future holds.
Bill (Great name)
Quote from: SPANG on October 19, 2014, 10:56:48 AM
(snip)
I haven't a clue
(snip)
You got that part right, at least.
Quote from: SPANG on October 19, 2014, 07:53:57 AM
Tinselkoala.
I'm very sorry, to hear you say that. You are obviously, misguided, and confused! The makers of these
machines that you mentioned, DID NOT use the 'laws' of motion, to develop them, they simply, fitted in AFTER their
devices were developed. 2+2= 4, so does 3+1. I could go on ------------ stop being stupid!
BILL.
You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Go ahead, analyze the Cassini mission and tell me again that the Laws of Motion were fitted in after the mission was developed.
You cannot.
Your position is a joke, and I seriously doubt if you have ever actually built anything with your hands.
I'm so glad, that most of you, don't intend to wait till the 'end of time' , to find out if you're right, or not. You all (those
that disagree), must have some other way, of seeing into the future ------------ I think I'll wait! It appears, that you
believe perpetual motion is impossible -------------- I don't!
BILL.
Quote from: SPANG on October 19, 2014, 05:46:43 PM
I'm so glad, that most of you, don't intend to wait till the 'end of time' , to find out if you're right, or not. You all (those
that disagree), must have some other way, of seeing into the future ------------ I think I'll wait! It appears, that you
believe perpetual motion is impossible -------------- I don't!
BILL.
Good for you. So, prove that it is possible. You are making an extraordinary claim so, the burden is upon you to prove that it is possible. I, for one, hope that you can do so. If not, welcome to the laws of physics.
Bill
Hi Bill,
I'm not being 'funny', but I wrote what I wrote, to prove a point --------------------- I succeeded!
My point was; a lot of people, believe that perpetual motion is impossible, in spite of the fact, that the 'end of time'
'may' prove otherwise. To simply, 'take the word', of these long dead scientists etc..., even if their math seems
to bare them out ---------- is unwise! Just like you, I hope that the 'laws' of motion, ARE broken. That would
be something to talk about, wouldn't it?
BILL.
PERPETUAL MOTION IS POSSIBLE AND THE BEST REALITY EXAMPLE HERE IS THE EARTH! >:(
CAN'T YOU SEE THAT! ;D
THANKYOU, TITO
BILL.
.....at : www.alternative-technologies.org/articles/perpetual-motion/
So ., our search is a so old "obsession"...
Al_ex
Do not forget that I have posted a version of pmm made by David Jones.
It is okay to maintain your own arguments.... but before you want the whole world to buy in your theory forever, you should debunk David Jones' pmm first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VBNn-ids6M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VBNn-ids6M)
Quote from: blueplanet on September 21, 2018, 03:10:12 AM
Do not forget that I have posted a version of pmm made by David Jones.
It is okay to maintain your own arguments.... but before you want the whole world to buy in your theory forever, you should debunk David Jones' pmm first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VBNn-ids6M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VBNn-ids6M)
Not to be harsh but the guy has passed away, so take the contraption apart and see what makes it tick.
The guy in the video found magnetics in the center. I'm thinking a motor is the cause of that. The magnetics he also found in the frame is maybe from wires from the battery or just a lump of magnets to confuse people that would test for magnetics.
Where is the device? I will take one for the team and accidentally knock it over. Then they will have to take it apart to try and repair it. Then we can find out what makes it go.