I've been wondering about this for a while now. I've been posting on this board a few years now and this is the first place I've ever been where people accuse people of being paid to take posts off-topic or other such shenanigans. Now my guess is that this is just a general insult. Lots of subcultures have them.
So my question is: Do you any of you really and truly believe there are people trying to sabotage OU work? Do you believe there are people here now getting paid to post things on this board?
Or are people who think that exceptionally stupid?
http://www.infowars.com/yes-there-are-paid-government-trolls-on-social-media-blogs-forums-and-websites/
http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html
And why not free energy forums? ;)
Mags
I noticed it reading comments on news sites during the early phases of the Syrian conflict. I think the most action would be on geopolitical front but I haven't been paying attention to the political comments for quite a while. You will not find it on insignificant sites like the free energy forums.
I posted some links on how Germany is getting about 30% of it energy from renewable sources and the push is still on with full government backing. That represents billions and billions of lost profits for the oil companies and it would seem the sky has not fallen. Things go extinct all the time. The billions of dollars spent on film and film processing, as an example.
Quote from: Magluvin on January 15, 2015, 12:07:27 AM
http://www.infowars.com/yes-there-are-paid-government-trolls-on-social-media-blogs-forums-and-websites/
http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html
And why not free energy forums? ;)
Mags
Is that a yes, you think that there are some people who are paid to post here?
When the time is right-they will come.
Quote from: tinman on January 15, 2015, 01:15:37 AM
When the time is right-they will come.
That sounds like the tag line to an erectile dysfunction drug.
The question is "How can you suppress something that does't exist?"
There are definitely people who trying make money selling all kind of garbage to naive and inexperienced researchers.
Also "proper education" (or luck of education) contribute a lot to the issue – no real things discussed here...and no significant progress made in many years.
:(
I think there are so many people who think different than others...
some of them think free energy=STFE.
STFE.devices must be used freely without any paid pattents,
STFE. devices bring money to them(money machine),
STFE. devices going to be supressed in orther to rule the world or they wont be,
STFE.subject is good for his healt,
STFE. subject is good for his income (5000 replays may seems that way),
STFE. devices would have a blocade to taxes which means salary for them,
STFE. devices will biring famine to some certain countries,
STFE. devices will biring STARS to our door step,
.
.
Be friendly and honest if you have something good done than others had to be gentle or polite or nice,
but you are the right (good) one they have to act being like you.
Quote from: Magluvin on January 15, 2015, 12:07:27 AM
And why not free energy forums? ;)
In one case (snowden) they're talking about attacks on a person and in the case of the CTV story it's about a political party attempting to sway opinion about itself. In both senses the ROI is small and clear. In free energy it isn't. Just generally sending people out to any and all forums is expensive and what's the result? Undermining peoples belief in OU? Is there any reason to believe posting on some board does that? How many people have I converted? That's right zero.
So if this is my full-time job then I am getting paid for nothing. Do you really think an organization who has the money to have tons of agents on all sorts of social media really would spend their money so ineffectually? Want to discredit someone? Discredit Rossi. Buy the first eCat - then run a reality TV show with hired "independent" experts and upload it to youtube.
Done. FAR more compelling than posting on a board. In fact if you look you'll see that the government's interest in OU is tepid at best. If I don't work for the government, then who? Secret shadow organizations?
I don't think many organizations would spend would spend their money per MIB words in technical media. I do feel that
business organizations may have MIB departments. ie. "trouble shooters" that they would call if they find their
manufactured devices are showing efficiencies > 100%. This could be signs of manufacturing problems, as this might
certainly be consider negative as well as positive. It could be consider anti-competitive in certain instances. In most
instances non-guarantee-able it could cause specification dispersion problems in Deming type QC systems.
Since MIB's are people too, maybe they get online to mix it up at times. The only problems I have is when they behave as terrorists
try to manipulate or coerce people or attack other peoples property to trying to change operational parameters. Many people reject
Mafioso class behavior. I respect people who died for my country in many and various wars and I feel they died so that I can generally
study build and maybe even sell whatever I want.
OU is not a common thing and electrical engineers use *lack* of overunity energy to design conventional electronic systems. So it is
obvious that they might object to the consideration of concepts with what conflicts with what they consider important in the design phase.
Variable demand utility style systems are most uncommon, it takes a long time to understand how to design systems that can collect and
distribute energy simultaneously, all while not self destructing. You have to think overunity systems *might exist* before you can do
various serious technical studies. The other thing is understanding how perceptual evidence chains contribute to intelligent scientific
knowledge building.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on January 15, 2015, 02:42:47 PM
It could be consider anti-competitive in certain instances.
So someone sells me a 3 phase power transformer and I start getting more energy out than I put in...how does that serve as grounds for anti-competition law?
QuoteIn most instances non-guarantee-able it could cause specification dispersion problems in Deming type QC systems.
I'm pretty sure that "specification dispersion" is an entirely made up phrase.
QuoteThe other thing is understanding how perceptual evidence chains contribute to intelligent scientific knowledge building.
I think this either ridiculously worded or again simply made up.
I'll point out that this thread has been read 484 times and we only seem to have one person who seems to think it entirely likely that there are people getting paid to do shenanigans here.
Quote from: sarkeizen on January 15, 2015, 03:50:32 PM
I'll point out that this thread has been read 484 times and we only seem to have one person who seems to think it entirely likely that there are people getting paid to do shenanigans here.
Doesn't this prove that most of the readers here are shills? Maybe not, but many of those readers could be sock puppets of BigLurk.
Quote from: orbut 3000 on January 15, 2015, 04:41:19 PM
Doesn't this prove that most of the readers here are shills?
That would be awesome. We would all be paid to misinform each other. The next step would be to realize this and just start misinforming our supervisors and then get paid to do nothing.
I think a real shill persona would act exactly like Cap-n-Sea. Posting lots of propaganda and FUD and never engage in an actual argument. Only less moronic and ridiculous, of course.
Quote from: orbut 3000 on January 15, 2015, 06:38:18 PM
I think a real shill persona would act exactly like Cap-n-Sea. Posting lots of propaganda and FUD and never engage in an actual argument. Only less moronic and ridiculous, of course.
I have no idea what a shill would do but if you look at people like Mark Blaxill who makes his living off anti-vaccine propaganda. He runs a website called "Age of Autism" effectively the spend their days trying to find news stories and find a slant that supports their point of view. So this is sort of like what SeaMonkey does or more specifically it's reminiscent of the websites that SeaMonkey quotes.
Cap-mo-ron - strikes me as just a garden variety troll.
Wow, i took Christmas break off from the forum and you guys are still talking about trolls ?? Who cares about them. It's really quite simple - ignore them. I don't even bother reading their posts as soon as I see certain names next to it. I might occasionally entertain them, but only on the appropriate thread. That's it, nothing to it.
Quote from: MarkE on January 15, 2015, 02:07:55 AM
That sounds like the tag line to an erectile dysfunction drug.
It means Mark that at the moment,there is no need for them to be here,as there are NO free energy devices present here on OU.com. BUT if there is ever a time that some one dose indeed come up with some wonderful free energy device(that we dont already have-eg solar panels),then i would suspect a visit from some interested parties.
But at this point in time,i think were all safe.
P.S- No erectile dysfunction as of yet ;)
Quote from: tinman on January 16, 2015, 08:25:10 AM
It means Mark that at the moment,there is no need for them to be here,as there are NO free energy devices present here on OU.com. BUT if there is ever a time that some one dose indeed come up with some wonderful free energy device(that we dont already have-eg solar panels),then i would suspect a visit from some interested parties.
But at this point in time,i think were all safe.
P.S- No erectile dysfunction as of yet ;)
Don't you suspect that by the time anyone learns of something remarkable (and real) here that it will already be known by so many that it would be virtually impossible to suppress?
Quote from: Magluvin on January 15, 2015, 12:07:27 AM
http://www.infowars.com/yes-there-are-paid-government-trolls-on-social-media-blogs-forums-and-websites/ (http://www.infowars.com/yes-there-are-paid-government-trolls-on-social-media-blogs-forums-and-websites/)
http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html)
And why not free energy forums? ;)
Mags
Especially free energy forums.
I noticed that most of the one handed typers have either dismissed offhandedly or ignored this information.
Regards...
Quote from: MarkE on January 15, 2015, 12:54:30 AM
Is that a yes, you think that there are some people who are paid to post here?
As I said, why not here. ;)
http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.com/2014/03/agents-and-trolls-and-shills-oh-my.html
"ITS TIME TO SHINE SOME LIGHT, TRUTH AND FACTS ONTO THIS SUBJECT!
THANK YOU EDWARD SNOWDEN FOR GIVING THE CHANGE AGENTS VINDICATION!
FOR PUBLIC AWARENESS:
THE GOVERNMENT PAYS PEOPLE TO INFILTRATE ONLINE BLOGS, FORUMS, WEBSITES, RADIO SHOWS AND CHAT ROOMS TO SPREAD NEGATIVE COMMENTS IN AN ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THE INFORMATION."
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on January 16, 2015, 07:55:19 PM
As I said, why not here. ;)
i) Because it doesn't seem at all comparable. The Canadian government *announcing* they are going to be joining discussions on political forums isn't a) the same as attempting to quiet free-energy and b) not much of a clandestine operation.
ii) Because they don't seem at all interested in free energy - either for or against.
iii) Because even if they were interested in keeping free energy down it doesn't seem to have any effect. Unless you want to claim that all of my naysaying has definitely hurt OU research. If so - GRRRRRREEEEEEAAAAATTTTT!!!! :) :) :)
iv) If it did have some kind of effect it seems terribly inefficient for an organization with a lot of money and people.
So yeah. That's "why not".
Those who do their best to dispel the reality of the paid trolls are well aware that Tesla has been erased from the history books...and they are well aware why.
And they are here getting paid to do the same to any potential new Teslsa's on the horizon.
Its not rocket science, to perceive the reason they are here.
Regards...
Quote from: minnie on January 15, 2015, 03:14:43 AM
The question is "How can you suppress something that does't exist?"
Well, if the suppression is very successful, then it can be easy to believe that it doesnt exist. ;)
How do you 'know' that it doesnt exist? And if you dont believe it does, or even that it might be possible, why are you here at all? ??? Is this a comedy club? Do they have great food here? And if it is just boredom, are there not other sites that one could find to fill their time more positively, rather than beat the dead horse they may believe this all is? ;)
We have threads here that are beat to death. Literally. Some threads that tend to be held hostage it seems with page after page of 'distractions', by some that never put the meat on the plate to put an end to it all, to put a bad idea to sleep and move on. If 'they' believe that the idea presented in a thread is totally bunk, then they should have to prove their objections themselves. They should build, replicate and run the full gamut of testing 'they' push, and 'require' to no end from the presenter. But they dont believe they should have to and pressure the presenter in all manners. TK does a lot of 'showing' proofs. Cudos to him for being a fairly straight shooter. I say fairly because a lot of the time, its not a close 'replication', but most are fair substitutes. He doesnt just paste other peoples quotes, pics and vids. He takes his own pics. Makes his own vids. And he builds to show his proof of understanding, whether is is for or against someones crazy idea, down to the simple. I do not believe he is a paid distractor. Might have in the past for certain reasons, but I was at fault for a lot of it. :-[ ;D
Anyway. Got carried away here. Was only gunna post the first sentence. I shilled myself. lol But no pay. ;D
Mags
Paid shills? Really?
Does anyone really believe this to be true?
Using Alex Jones as a reference is not very convincing. I mean, really.
What about the unpaid shills? What about them? Just think of how hard it must be, living under a bridge somewhere typing your heart out....for free.
Now that really sucks. They should at least get minimum wage I would think.
Now of course, there are folks on here like Lt. -1 (Yes, he got demoted) that just act as shills and trolls for fun. This is sick but true.
In all seriousness, I really doubt that anyone in authority is "watching" this site, or any like it. Well, besides the NSA but that is for another reason.
Bill
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on January 16, 2015, 08:20:15 PM
Those who do their best to dispel the reality of the paid trolls are well aware that Tesla has been erased from the history books...and they are well aware why.
And they are here getting paid to do the same to any potential new Teslsa's on the horizon.
Its not rocket science, to perceive the reason they are here.
Regards...
This is true. There are many other things that are being shuffled from history in schools today. And much more aggressively in recent years.
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on January 16, 2015, 08:55:38 PM
This is true. There are many other things that are being shuffled from history in schools today. And much more aggressively in recent years.
Mags
And The Beat Goes On.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfbmjUQOFxs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfbmjUQOFxs)
Regards...
Quote from: Magluvin on January 16, 2015, 08:55:38 PM
This is true. There are many other things that are being shuffled from history in schools today.
Well firstly the idiom "erased from the history books" barely means anything these days. Just in case you haven't noticed Tesla isn't exactly unknown. In fact a Google search for "Nikola Tesla" produces over 10M hits where a search for "Thomas Edison" produces over 8M. Whatever you imagine is being removed from history books it isn't hurting Tesla's popularity. I rather doubt that general history texts are supposed to be exhaustive anyway. I'd suspect that books about electromagnetics give Tesla his due.
Not to mention that you seem to claim that history erasure is done at a higher rate. Did you ever stop to think what you would have to know in order to know that? You would need at the very least a randomized sample of history texts. Every year. Then you would have to read them all. Then you would have to compare the historical figures, events, etc... which were recorded. The math says you haven't done this.
MarkE and MileHigh are two of the most obvious distractors on this forum. They should both be placed on permanent moderation. Where do these guys find the time to feed non-stop rubbish into this forum if they're not on a goverment payroll?
Quote from: synchro1 on January 16, 2015, 10:58:43 PM
MarkE and MileHigh are two of the most obvious distractors on this forum. They should both be placed on permanent moderation. Where do these guys find the time to feed non-stop rubbish into this forum if they're not on a goverment payroll?
Really? Really? Do you really believe this? Or, are you just posting this to cover your own ass?
What the hell is "Permanent Moderation"? Is that worse than "Double Secret Probation"?
Bill
Quote from: sarkeizen on January 16, 2015, 10:26:36 PM
Well firstly the idiom "erased from the history books" barely means anything these days. Just in case you haven't noticed Tesla isn't exactly unknown. In fact a Google search for "Nikola Tesla" produces over 10M hits where a search for "Thomas Edison" produces over 8M. Whatever you imagine is being removed from history books it isn't hurting Tesla's popularity. I rather doubt that general history texts are supposed to be exhaustive anyway. I'd suspect that books about electromagnetics give Tesla his due.
Not to mention that you seem to claim that history erasure is done at a higher rate. Did you ever stop to think what you would have to know in order to know that? You would need at the very least a randomized sample of history texts. Every year. Then you would have to read them all. Then you would have to compare the historical figures, events, etc... which were recorded. The math says you haven't done this.
Well, do a yahoo search on Tesla and you get 2.59m hits and Edison gets 4.6m hits. :P ;) ;D
Some people out there never heard of either one of them. ;) But just check out some school text books and see which guy gets the red carpet while the other is swept under. ;)
" I'd suspect that books about electromagnetics give Tesla his due."
Suspect? Or know? ;) But the math says "I" havnt done this?????? ::) ???
Rewriting history text books - 5.37m hits ;) More on that than either Tesla or Edison. ::)
https://www.minds.com/blog/view/272078326389018624/south-korea-accused-of-rewriting-history-in-high-school-textbook
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rewriting-history-texas-tackles-textbook-debate/
Now, 'Removing history from text books' 77.9m hits :o :o :o ;)
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrSbncB37lUSkoAHixXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA3lmcC10LTMyMARncHJpZANNT041QVZOV1NsMmVDaTVRUFNBQmZBBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMwBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDBHFzdHJsAzMxBHF1ZXJ5A3JlbW92aW5nIGhpc3RvcnkgZnJvbSB0ZXh0Ym9va3MEdF9zdG1wAzE0MjE0Njc0NDA-?p=removing+history+from+textbooks&fr2=sb-top-search&fr=yfp-t-320&fp=1
I could go on. Nuff said. ;)
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on January 16, 2015, 11:07:55 PM
Well, do a yahoo search on Tesla and you get 2.59m hits and Edison gets 4.6m hits. :P ;) ;D
Some people out there never heard of either one of them. ;) But just check out some school text books and see which guy gets the red carpet while the other is swept under. ;)
" I'd suspect that books about electromagnetics give Tesla his due."
Suspect? Or know? ;) But the math says "I" havnt done this? ??? ?? ::) ???
Rewriting history text books - 5.37m hits ;) More on that than either Tesla or Edison. ::)
https://www.minds.com/blog/view/272078326389018624/south-korea-accused-of-rewriting-history-in-high-school-textbook (https://www.minds.com/blog/view/272078326389018624/south-korea-accused-of-rewriting-history-in-high-school-textbook)
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rewriting-history-texas-tackles-textbook-debate/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rewriting-history-texas-tackles-textbook-debate/)
Now, 'Removing history from text books' 77.9m hits :o :o :o ;)
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrSbncB37lUSkoAHixXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA3lmcC10LTMyMARncHJpZANNT041QVZOV1NsMmVDaTVRUFNBQmZBBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMwBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDBHFzdHJsAzMxBHF1ZXJ5A3JlbW92aW5nIGhpc3RvcnkgZnJvbSB0ZXh0Ym9va3MEdF9zdG1wAzE0MjE0Njc0NDA-?p=removing+history+from+textbooks&fr2=sb-top-search&fr=yfp-t-320&fp=1 (https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrSbncB37lUSkoAHixXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA3lmcC10LTMyMARncHJpZANNT041QVZOV1NsMmVDaTVRUFNBQmZBBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMwBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDBHFzdHJsAzMxBHF1ZXJ5A3JlbW92aW5nIGhpc3RvcnkgZnJvbSB0ZXh0Ym9va3MEdF9zdG1wAzE0MjE0Njc0NDA-?p=removing+history+from+textbooks&fr2=sb-top-search&fr=yfp-t-320&fp=1)
I could go on. Nuff said. ;)
Mags
I read just the other day someone who reviewed some high school history books and...I was amazed. George Washington got a 1 paragraph mention. Thomas Jefferson
received 2 lines. Abe Lincoln got almost a paragraph. Bill Clinton got 4 pages. Why do we allow folks with a political agenda to "write" the history books?
I mean, history happened. It is not left nor right...it just is.
But not any more.
Now they are teaching all of the virtues of the Muslim religion while at the same time banning any mention of Christmas, or Christianity as that violtes
the "separation of church and state" clause in the constitution except, that is nowhere to be found in this document.
God help us.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 16, 2015, 11:02:43 PM
Really? Really? Do you really believe this? Or, are you just posting this to cover your own ass?
What the hell is "Permanent Moderation"? Is that worse than "Double Secret Probation"?
Bill
Dang. I hate that Double secret moderation. >:(
Its where you can post, but nobody can read them except yourself, but you dont know it.
Then ya think that nobody likes you because you get no replies and go nutso. :o :-[ :-\ :'( >:( :( ???
Well, regular moderation is a bit the same, you can post, but it 'might not' get approved for up to
a couple days, as I had experienced.
Sometimes, by the time it is approved to be seen by others, your post may be back a few pages and nobody else
would be the wiser. And possibly no replies. :'( Makes ya not want to post at all and just wait or moderation to lapse.
Why is this page sooo wide?
Mags
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 16, 2015, 11:24:42 PM
I read just the other day someone who reviewed some high school history books and...I was amazed. George Washington got a 1 paragraph mention. Thomas Jefferson
received 2 lines. Abe Lincoln got almost a paragraph. Bill Clinton got 4 pages. Why do we allow folks with a political agenda to "write" the history books?
I mean, history happened. It is not left nor right...it just is.
But not any more.
Now they are teaching all of the virtues of the Muslim religion while at the same time banning any mention of Christmas, or Christianity as that violtes
the "separation of church and state" clause in the constitution except, that is nowhere to be found in this document.
God help us.
Bill
Yes, God help us. ;) Thanks for the backup also. ;) All soo true and sickening. But, the bible says this will happen, and it is spot on so far.. ;)
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on January 16, 2015, 11:07:55 PM
Well, do a yahoo search
If you're stupid. Yes. Google indexes more than double yahoo's content. So the yahoo search is less likely to be accurate.
QuoteBut just check out some school text books and see which guy gets the red carpet while the other is swept under
Again, please go ahead and catalog this but until you do be more honest. You have no way to accurately determine this. :)
QuoteSuspect? Or know? ;)
Know.
Quotethe math says "I" havnt done this?
Yes. Learn some.
QuoteRewriting history text books - 5.37m hits
Please think for once in your post. :) a) You changed the search type from phrasic to single terms. Which means you are getting hundreds of thousands of partial matches. b) the point of the page hits counters the assertion of you that Tesla is fading into obscurity. Even if there were millions of hits on the complete phrase "rewriting history books" that doesn't tell you that history books are being rewritten in the way your delusion makes you think.
QuoteNow, 'Removing history from text books' 77.9m hits
Same problem you absolute clod. :)
QuoteI could go on.
Please do. This time say something that isn't utterly stupid.
Quote from: synchro1 on January 16, 2015, 10:58:43 PM
MarkE and MileHigh are two of the most obvious distractors on this forum. They should both be placed on permanent moderation.
Not me. I feel slighted.
Quote
Where do these guys find the time to feed non-stop rubbish into this forum if they're not on a goverment payroll?
Oh come on. You really, really can't think of how they could post so much if it's not their full time job? Seriously this is purely and utterly beyond your comprehension. Please.
I work on a computer all day. I have a big monitor. I have many windows open. I work late. I also use a computer a fair bit at home.
...and of course rebutting you guys is about as difficult as putting on a hat. :) :)
Quote from: sarkeizen on January 17, 2015, 12:20:41 AM
Seriously this is purely and utterly beyond your comprehension. Please.
As the royal arse kissers conveniently look the other way, in classic pro wrestling fashion.
QuoteI work on a computer all day. I have a big monitor. I have many windows open. I work late. I also use a computer a fair bit at home.
No sh!t ?
Quote...and of course rebutting you guys is about as difficult as putting on a hat. :) :)
Well, lets face it, it wood be pretty hard to miss that punkin head with a hat.
Regards...
Quote from: Magluvin on January 16, 2015, 11:07:55 PM
Well, do a yahoo search on Tesla and you get 2.59m hits and Edison gets 4.6m hits. :P ;) ;D
I could go on. Nuff said. ;)
Mags
Elvis Presley-71.9M hit's
Just saying ::)
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 16, 2015, 11:02:43 PM
Really? Really? Do you really believe this? Or, are you just posting this to cover your own ass?
What the hell is "Permanent Moderation"? Is that worse than "Double Secret Probation"?
Bill
"Knowledge is Good" Emil Faber.
Quote from: MarkE on January 17, 2015, 04:24:50 AM
"Knowledge is Good" Emil Faber.
That's if it's not part of a government sponsered
"Shell and Pea" game!