Hello;
If any of you have some cash burning a hole in you pocket you couldn't do better than
to donate some of it to the following Indegogo campaign, if possible, to replicate Gerard
Morin's experiment with an emphasis on increasing the accuracy and certainty in the energy
in the experiment's overunity output measurements.
Indegogo Web Link Here:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gerard-morin-s-high-voltage-pole-pig-experiments
This expriment has relatively few components and features two mass-produced high
powered utility type transformers (large) and a historic portable gasoline powered electric
generator from the sixties/seventies, said necessary to have the experiment function
correctly. We are committed to presenting to the public our findings. If we find sufficeint
overunity power, full specifications will be made available to anyone to duplicate and
hopefully to have, household amounts of electricity flowing from these multi-hundred pound
transformer units. Since our group is interested having an overunity power source, if this
hardware fails to perform, we will say so. We are independent researchers, so help us out
and have some fun too.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Hi MSCoffman. The indiegogo webpage you reference states: "In this experiment, Gerald generates ~3000 watts of electricity from a generator and powers ~6000 watts of devices." That is a completely unsupported claim however. Mr. Morin made no appropriate measurements to determine the actual input power and output power. It is not reasonable at all to assume that all the equipment connected at the output as a load was running at maximum capacity. You should fix the indiegogo webpage to say that Mr. Morin claimed he was getting more power out than in, but no proper measurements were made to determine what the actual input and output power really were, therefore actual input power and output power are unknown. If you leave the webpage statement as is, this can be construed as deliberately trying to mislead people... Just my opinion.
P.S. His name is Gerard, I believe.
All the best...
You could do MUCH better than supporting this or similar campaigns: donate to a charity, give to Sally Ann, or many more.
Morin should change the letter 'i' in his name to an 'o' in his name, to better match his mental state.
Quote from: Void on February 18, 2015, 06:18:25 PM
Hi MSCoffman. The indiegogo webpage you reference states: "In this experiment, Gerald generates ~3000 watts of electricity from a generator and powers ~6000 watts of devices." That is a completely unsupported claim however. Mr. Morin made no appropriate measurements to determine the actual input power and output power. It is not reasonable at all to assume that all the equipment connected at the output as a load was running at maximum capacity. You should fix the indiegogo webpage to say that Mr. Morin claimed he was getting more power out than in, but no proper measurements were made to determine what the actual input and output power really were, therefore actual input power and output power are unknown. If you leave the webpage statement as is, this can be construed as deliberately trying to mislead people... Just my opinion.
P.S. His name is Gerard, I believe.
All the best...
Hear, hear!
I will just chime in my support for the rejection of this proposition. There is no valid data to back up the proposition, and the proposition does not even make any sense. Beyond that, if you accept that transformers behave like you observe them behave on the bench, and how they are described in electronics text books, then the data if properly measured would show under unity.
Oh, I absolutely encourage anyone who takes Morin seriously to donate generously to the campaign. And be sure to report your donations here.
ACCA, what about you? Have you pitched in to support Morin or the "replication" attempts yet? Gave a generous amount, did you?
@TK,
One reason for the replication attempt is I feel that Gerard did not give any adequate data about the
input vs output energies involved. I mean at least he could have let his hand slip and placed his
meter around one the output leads to show transformer output current. This rather than placing
his meter around a potentially destructive static VHV source. Also those load heaters have two sections
and it would be quite possible to have them heat like they are fully on while they are not. Also the motor
is stupid because a mechanically unloaded motor has an arbitrary low power drain, not represented by it
nameplate numbers and his motor was unloaded therefore the motor should not have been present. So his
experimental load setup showed lack of insight and concommitmented data taking would have been probably been
totally questionable anyways. There would have to have been a rather drastic modification to the generator
to show actual accurate electrical drive numbers.
So would I have funded G. Morin in any additional concerns about this or derivative questions? No.
Whether his insight enables what is desired or whether it was BS targeting vulnerable people
is what we also hope to determine. Believe me I feel he is *not alone*, if it is the latter.
In a fairly standard display these people like G. Morin seem to be using idiosyncrasies to promote personal
pet theories....But perhaps these idiosyncrasies were based in experimental observations by multiple
people and perhaps these will be of some value to them if measured properly. It's mighty
strange that these observation were only detected when one type of historical generator was used.
Perhaps there is "More than one way to do it." anyway.
As to the question of my funding for the project, I embarrassingly wish to report that the weather we have been
having in the US northeast has been interfering with my attempts to send it in. It is currently 19F. here at 4:55PM.
BTW, It's also surprising at how many new insights come about when a project is attempted, successfully or not.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Gerard told me over the phone a couple of weeks back that a pole transformer company who had contacted him were able to replicate his experiments at their facility in about ten minutes and that all they did was plug the one transformer into the wall. He said they saw 500 % efficiency right off of the bat.
I believed Gerard when he told me this awhile back and now he has confirmed this to be the case once again, as he stated it publicly in his latest Q&A video.
It seems that the secret lies in the design of the pole transformers, nothing more, nothing less. If anyone wants to replicate I would suggest using the identical arrangement with transformers that are similarly constructed. Perhaps it has something to do with a built in capacitance that is achieved through the aluminum sheeting in the transformer core.
Surely there is some one on this forum with access to pole transformers. The McCulloch generator is not necessary, just true sine wave power.
Morin has no clue about electricity. There has never been a transformer with >100% efficiency.
memoryman
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I left it
here is what I tried to post above,you fellows ask me why my sentences here are so Chopped up[see what I see above...then I have to take twenty minutes to straighten it out...
Nonsense...
anyhow
memoryman
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There has never been a transformer with >100% efficiency.
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Once again that is all perspective...I can say all transformers are 100% efficient
if my goal is to make heat . [or I could just use an appropriate resistor ]
MarKSCoffman
I have sent You a PM
respectfully
Chet
It's easy to reproduce errors. Just how do you think Morin is defining "efficiency"? Hey, look, I have a device sitting on my desk right now that takes in 24 volts from two small batteries, and puts out 30,000 volts and can easily set stuff on fire. What's my efficiency? Using Morin's measurement methods and definitions, I mean.
Quote from: ramset on February 20, 2015, 12:10:38 PM
memoryman
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If you would like to get pedantic then Memoryman's statement can be reworded as: "All transformers deliver less electrical energy to the sum of all of their loads combined than electrical energy applied to their input(s)."
Quote from: mscoffman on February 19, 2015, 05:02:48 PM
@TK,
One reason for the replication attempt is I feel that Gerard did not give any adequate data about the
input vs output energies involved. I mean at least he could have let his hand slip and placed his
meter around one the output leads to show transformer output current. This rather than placing
his meter around a potentially destructive static VHV source. Also those load heaters have two sections
and it would be quite possible to have them heat like they are fully on while they are not. Also the motor
is stupid because a mechanically unloaded motor has an arbitrary low power drain, not represented by it
nameplate numbers and his motor was unloaded therefore the motor should not have been present. So his
experimental load setup showed lack of insight and concommitmented data taking would have been probably been
totally questionable anyways. There would have to have been a rather drastic modification to the generator
to show actual accurate electrical drive numbers.
So would I have funded G. Morin in any additional concerns about this or derivative questions? No.
Whether his insight enables what is desired or whether it was BS targeting vulnerable people
is what we also hope to determine. Believe me I feel he is *not alone*, if it is the latter.
In a fairly standard display these people like G. Morin seem to be using idiosyncrasies to promote personal
pet theories....But perhaps these idiosyncrasies were based in experimental observations by multiple
people and perhaps these will be of some value to them if measured properly. It's mighty
strange that these observation were only detected when one type of historical generator was used.
Perhaps there is "More than one way to do it." anyway.
As to the question of my funding for the project, I embarrassingly wish to report that the weather we have been
having in the US northeast has been interfering with my attempts to send it in. It is currently 19F. here at 4:55PM.
BTW, It's also surprising at how many new insights come about when a project is attempted, successfully or not.
:S:MarkSCoffman
I can agree with all, or most all, of that. And you know that I myself have taken the same course many times, that is, I
"replicate" questionable devices myself so that I can test them, reproduce the questionable measurements or effects myself,
and proceed to analyze and track down the errors and do it properly so as to assign really valid interpretations of the data.
The difference here is one of scale and cost. I seriously think that Morin's experiments, knowledge and claims are so flawed
as to be not worth the effort or the large cost involved to "replicate" his errors. They are actually pretty transparent if
one just watches his videos and listens to his "explanations" which reveal that he doesn't understand what he's doing
from either a theoretical or practical standpoint, nor does he understand the proper use and proper choice of test
equipment. So I'd like to see, in this case especially, the claimant himself do the "cleanup" and provide some proper
data collected and reported properly. Once that is done (don't hold your breath waiting) _then_ it might be worthwhile
to conduct a full-scale "replication" including purchasing some polepigs, etc. You can always use them for a mega-Tesla Coil
power supply after finding that Morin's claims are specious.