1- The magnetic vortex revelation--watch the real shape of the magnetic field
http://youtu.be/wR7c4iXum-A
Also http://youtu.be/ZViJ2WtFN8A
2-The effect of lenses on the magnetic field
Horizontal lens (Parallel to earth surface )
http://youtu.be/9CJ8TPjL9t8
Vertical:
***### When the lens is placed in a vertical position (perpendicular to the Earth's surface), the magnet rotates clockwise in The upper side of the lens and counterclockwise in the lowe side. This is a mind twist please any explanation. ***###
http://youtu.be/pPIdEe7GY5g
Extra
http://youtu.be/11A1A56Mr6E
3-the effect of spin on the magnetic field
http://youtu.be/8C6uyQ0bct4
4- magnets with repulsion and attractions simultaneously
http://youtu.be/ktX1VqVnbys
http://youtu.be/LyvfDzRLsiU
5- the beauty of spin (free energy)
http://youtu.be/b-MSiQTXIG0
6- the famous primer fields theory
http://youtu.be/9EPlyiW-xGI
7- the infamous Ts9 magnetic shielding
http://youtu.be/SQw-nk6nYs0
8- simple V gate energy device
http://youtu.be/nKrWZKh-i08
I thought i'd share my memorable magnetic field moments with you all. Enjoy
I'm afraid there is nothing special about these videos. The experiment with the CRT screen and its behaviour in the precence of a magnet is predictable. The electron ray fails to hit the right color, and instead are deflected by the magnetism. Also this electron ray is moving horizontally very fast and its magnetic field will respond to the field from the magnet and cause the screen to swirl.
About the "vortex" in the last video, and the lense experiment. The reason why they rotate is because one side of the magnet is closer and has most friction to the surface. When the handheld magnet moves, the "free" magnet will ofcourse starte to rotate.
Put one magnet on a needle bearing for least friction as possible, and see if that magnet starts to rotate in presence of another magnet. It won't.
Magnetism has no vortex. That is what I try to say.
Vidar
Vidar, you are 100 percent correct.
@TinselKoala,
What do you make of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IljUwQGEkGo
Quote from Dr. Stiffler:
"Just wanted to show this short video on how field arrangements of permanent magnets can be so arranged to obtain motion with no external energy input".
Vidar, you are right on. The first clip that you linked to is from "Al" a.k.a. "ACCA" on this forum. His magnet/CRT tube and his aquarium/bubble vortex clips are all totally wrong. It suggests this:
Challenge to Al/ACCA: The challenge for you is to actually understand what you are looking at in your clips. Why don't you pick one and we will collectively figure it out together. However, you will not be spoon-fed the information. You will be asked to research and understand the basic fundamentals of electronics for yourself, and then apply them to your experimental observations. If you are up to the challenge then I would suggest that you pick your favourite "aquarium 'vortex'" clip.
MileHigh
Quote from: synchro1 on February 20, 2015, 02:06:56 PM
@TinselKoala,
What do you make of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IljUwQGEkGo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IljUwQGEkGo)
Quote from Dr. Stiffler:
"Just wanted to show this short video on how field arrangements of permanent magnets can be so arranged to obtain motion with no external energy input".
I think that's 7 minutes and 41 seconds of my life that I'll never get back.
The pendulum slows down over the time of the video. The pendulum also couples EXTERNAL ENERGY INPUT in the form of vibrations into the pendulum motion. Stiffler knows that it is very difficult to isolate such a system from external vibrations, air drafts and the rest of the possible sources of _external energy input_ and he has done none of that for this demonstration. In short, Yet Another very misleading demonstration of an ordinary phenomenon from Dr. Stiffler.
From the clip:
QuoteWhen the lens is placed in a vertical position (perpendicular to the Earth's surface), the magnet rotates counterclockwise in The upper side of the lens and clockwise in the lowe side.
It has nothing to do with upper vs. lower. It's just a question of left-to-right movement and right-to-left movement. The rotation of the magnet is consistent with respect to the change in the direction of movement.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 20, 2015, 04:09:34 PM
I think that's 7 minutes and 41 seconds of my life that I'll never get back.
The pendulum slows down over the time of the video. The pendulum also couples EXTERNAL ENERGY INPUT in the form of vibrations into the pendulum motion. Stiffler knows that it is very difficult to isolate such a system from external vibrations, air drafts and the rest of the possible sources of _external energy input_ and he has done none of that for this demonstration. In short, Yet Another very misleading demonstration of an ordinary phenomenon from Dr. Stiffler.
@TinselKoala,
I built a perpetual set of moving magnet wheels from plans of a modified "Bessler Wheel". You can try it and you have my solemn word of honor that it will never stop. I sandwiched upright ceramic block magnets between six plastic cake serving dishes to form "Three Wheels". Two identical wheels of 8" diameter with 8 magnets apiece and one 16" center Wheel with 16 magnets. All the magnets are in opposition, except 3, one on each Wheel in attraction. They balance upright on bearings and the three wheels share 8 possible rotation sequences. A partial lock position will appear, but not for long, as an oscillation begins and breaks finally with explosive force. I had my three wheels positioned in hat boxes with 4 Windows cut, 2 on each end of the 16" center, for the magnets to pass and influence one another. Never stopped moving, so help me!
Jerry Bayles presents a quantum theory of "Magnet Chirality" that explains why mirrored magnets cannot share equal strength. Imagine the sole attraction magnet on one 8" side Wheel locked "between" two magnets of opposing polarity on the larger 16" center Wheel. The 3 magnets then begin to do work on the quantum plane, exchanging forces, untill an imbalance appears as Jerry explains, imparting new momentum to the wheel works!
What part of "couples external energy input" are you having trouble understanding? I assure you that if you successfully isolate your device from all sources of external energy, like specifically vibrations, it will come to a stop. I have no doubt that if it is just sitting on a table top that it will keep on moving. I've seen a torsion pendulum that was so sensitive that it "kept moving" perpetually... because every week somebody parked an 18-wheeler about 50 yards away outside the building and the thing was actually _gravitationally attracted_ to the mass of the truck, and this was enough to keep it swinging. The business of eliminating all outside sources of energy is not a trivial one.
As far as the lens thing goes, I covered this topic some months ago. The curvature of the lens causes the magnet to contact it at a single point (roughly). But the "pull" from the other magnet acts through a different point. So a force couple is produced: the frictional force at the point of contact dragging back, and the pull force off-center to this point of contact. Hence the thing rotates. The direction of rotation is predicted by the geometry of the force couple. It's simple dynamics and would work the same way if you were able to pull offcenter with a string. Of course pulling with a magnet allows free rotation about the point of contact , whereas a string wouldn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SeVWSO_wpg
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 20, 2015, 05:57:14 PM
What part of "couples external energy input" are you having trouble understanding? I assure you that if you successfully isolate your device from all sources of external energy, like specifically vibrations, it will come to a stop. I have no doubt that if it is just sitting on a table top that it will keep on moving. I've seen a torsion pendulum that was so sensitive that it "kept moving" perpetually... because every week somebody parked an 18-wheeler about 50 yards away outside the building and the thing was actually _gravitationally attracted_ to the mass of the truck, and this was enough to keep it swinging. The business of eliminating all outside sources of energy is not a trivial one.
@TinselKoala,
You're partly correct, but if you build and observe the reaction I described you'll realise there are noticable magnetic currents at work between the four Chiral magnets that box the attraction magnet in. Jerry Bayles demonstrates the astonishing difference in positioning balance magnets on opposing sides of his spinning "Chiral Disks". Nature won't permit equilibrium between mirrored magnets. This effect is in no way attributable to external vibration.
Look at this video from Jerry:
"Chiral Magnetic Field Demonstration of a two-magnet system wherein it is proven that a slight difference in the energy density between the left and right sides of a balanced magnetic field arrangement yields a chiral action".
http://www.electrogravity.com/ChiralMagFld/ChiralMagFld_6.mov
This is a pretty cool video of a large Steel Bearing rotor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gpaPKlyWKM&list=PLDvggocZX1ekD8BaeYnuQ-xU2qJJuEKVV
I wonder if "Magnet Spheres" might roll if attached to a "Steel Center ball" by tiny disk magnet axles? It might help if the magnet spheres were seperated by paddle Wheel blades. It would shift from a monopole rotor to a N-S rotor very easily.
Quote from: superhero on February 20, 2015, 05:09:34 PM
Then why in a horizontal lens position moving the magnet in a circular motion yields to a constant counterclockwise rotation? ?? Im still confused
The lens might be horizontal, but the shape isn't. This is a convex lens, and the experiment is happening not in the centre, but off center of the lens where the free magnet is a little angled. One part of the magnet is closer to the hand held magnet, and touches therfor the lense off center of the magnet. When the hand held magnet moves around, ofcourse friction off center of the free magnet will cause it to rotate.
Vidar
Quote from: synchro1 on February 20, 2015, 10:47:05 PM
This is a pretty cool video of a large Steel Bearing rotor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gpaPKlyWKM&list=PLDvggocZX1ekD8BaeYnuQ-xU2qJJuEKVV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gpaPKlyWKM&list=PLDvggocZX1ekD8BaeYnuQ-xU2qJJuEKVV)
I wonder if "Magnet Spheres" might roll if attached to a "Steel Center ball" by tiny disk magnet axles? It might help if the magnet spheres were seperated by paddle Wheel blades. It would shift from a monopole rotor to a N-S rotor very easily.
I don't get it. Without Mr. Hand, it will just sit there. When he adds all of those other balls and the mass is increased, he has to take more effort (and time) in spinning it up. Am I missing something here?
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 21, 2015, 07:52:38 PM
I don't get it. Without Mr. Hand, it will just sit there. When he adds all of those other balls and the mass is increased, he has to take more effort (and time) in spinning it up. Am I missing something here?
Bill
That's nearly 5 pounds of steel spinning around with no axle or bearing. The 2" neo sphere exerts over 100 pounds of pull force. It would take a 3-D printed housing to keep magnets that size seperated. I Imagine an E-Z spin motor like Lasersaber's, with all the coils in series and one Reed Switch would keep the balls Rolling. The coils might need to be soup can size. The "Flux Density" would be enormous!
What 2 inch neo sphere are you talking about?
QuoteWe use a lot of large and heavy 37mm balls (from a radial bearing) and used some strong magnets as spokes and bearing points
No "neo sphere" is mentioned. And 37 mm is only 1.45669 inches.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 22, 2015, 12:49:35 AM
What 2 inch neo sphere are you talking about?
No "neo sphere" is mentioned. And 37 mm is only 1.45669 inches.
@TinselKoala,
Substituting neo sphere magnets for the steel balls is my idea. The center ball would remain Steel. The stacked magnet axles would serve to keep one pole facing out, and pivot on the center ball. The magnets and steel ball can be any dimension, as long as they match. 2" is the largest size neo sphere's come in currently. Way over budget for you.
Plastic "Bubble Blowers" with handles and circular loops, could be glued to the center Steel ball by the handle ends and placed over the Spheres, to keep the "Neo Magnet Spheres" apart and secure against parting from the Steel ball. Maybe the spinning balls will reduce "Lenz Drag"
Quote from: Low-Q on February 20, 2015, 09:33:41 AM
I'm afraid there is nothing special about these videos. The experiment with the CRT screen and its behaviour in the precence of a magnet is predictable. The electron ray fails to hit the right color, and instead are deflected by the magnetism. Also this electron ray is moving horizontally very fast and its magnetic field will respond to the field from the magnet and cause the screen to swirl.
Is not about the colour, but the "swirl" as you say (
the shape). The very first video proves at min 3:20 the spiral motion of magnetic lines, thing which is not presented in any school books.
Sure one could bring into discussion any of the theories behind cathodic tube, but that won't explain WHY that shape occurs. I take the "electrons" as a finer grade of iron filings and if not convinced, here you have another experiment proving the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe-tRsRjxz0
If you could accept that, then you could accept some other major aspects of that video.
Regards.
Quote from: barbosi on March 21, 2015, 11:40:01 PM
Is not about the colour, but the "swirl" as you say (the shape). The very first video proves at min 3:20 the spiral motion of magnetic lines, thing which is not presented in any school books.
Sure one could bring into discussion any of the theories behind cathodic tube, but that won't explain WHY that shape occurs. I take the "electrons" as a finer grade of iron filings and if not convinced, here you have another experiment proving the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe-tRsRjxz0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe-tRsRjxz0)
If you could accept that, then you could accept some other major aspects of that video.
Regards.
The electrons are moving charged particles, which will travel in curved paths when passing through a magnetic field oriented in certain ways. This is fundamental, it is entirely calculatable, it is contained in Maxwell's equations, and it is how the CRT designers make the electron beams hit the right places in the face of the CRT when it is displaying an image. Have you ever taken apart a CRT monitor/TV set? Do you see the yoke coils and the fine tuning magnets around the neck of the CRT tube? All this stuff about how electron beams behave in the presence of magnetic fields is QUITE WELL UNDERSTOOD or engineers wouldn't be able to design the CRT in the first place! The reason the "spiral motion of magnetic lines" isn't presented in "any school books" is because it doesn't occur in reality. Your mental model of electrons as "finer grades of iron filings" is also wrong. Electrons are _electrically charged_ particles and iron filings aren't. Moving electrically charged particles produce a magnetic field, and the direction of motion of electrically charged particles is affected by external magnetic fields. These are facts that are proven by literally hundreds of engineered devices that you encounter every day, including the computer that you are using to read this comment.
C'mon tk, why did you have to bite?
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 22, 2015, 04:47:15 PM
This is fundamental, it is entirely calculatable, it is contained in Maxwell's equations
Maxwell equations are great but do not reflect conservation of energy. Look at the graph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations#/media/File:Electromagneticwave3D.gif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations#/media/File:Electromagneticwave3D.gif) and tell me why B and E fields are max or zero at the same time and how that applies to (or respect) the conservation of energy. At ZERO there is no energy AT ALL. How both fields reborn? Phoenix (the mythical bird) effect LOL?
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 22, 2015, 04:47:15 PM
..., and it is how the CRT designers make the electron beams hit the right places in the face of the CRT when it is displaying an image. Have you ever taken apart a CRT monitor/TV set?
I'll save this for later to give you time to study the "S curve" of electrons' beam and we can debate it when you truly understand it.
An additional question is about the water in the video i suggested. Any idea why vapors have the swirling shape?
You sound and your confidence surely look like a well grounded into proven facts type of professor, but I'm willing to challenge you only after you answer my two questions: Maxwell and my proposed video.
Or just accept your boss' slap and fade away (it's just a pay check and your value can draw income from somewhere else).
Toodly-oo....
Quote from: barbosi on March 22, 2015, 10:34:27 PM
C'mon tk, why did you have to bite?
Maxwell equations are great but do not reflect conservation of energy. Look at the graph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations#/media/File:Electromagneticwave3D.gif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations#/media/File:Electromagneticwave3D.gif) and tell me why B and E fields are max or zero at the same time and how that applies to (or respect) the conservation of energy. At ZERO there is no energy AT ALL. How both fields reborn? Phoenix (the mythical bird) effect LOL?
I'll save this for later to give you time to study the "S curve" of electrons' beam and we can debate it when you truly understand it.
An additional question is about the water in the video i suggested. Any idea why vapors have the swirling shape?
You sound and your confidence surely look like a well grounded into proven facts type of professor, but I'm willing to challenge you only after you answer my two questions: Maxwell and my proposed video.
Or just accept your boss' slap and fade away (it's just a pay check and your value can draw income from somewhere else).
Toodly-oo....
Your "Conservation of Energy" strawman about propagation of EM waves in space has very little to do with your original bogus misrepresentation of what goes on when a magnet is placed near a CRT, since electrons are not photons and photons are not charged particles. Have you ever heard of the quantities μ
0 and ε
0 ?
I doubt if you have the necessary math to understand it, but here is just one of many references you can try to absorb, concerning Maxwell's Equations, propagation of EM waves, and conservation of energy:
http://physics.gmu.edu/~joe/PHYS685/Topic6.pdf
Yes, I certainly do know why the circulation occurs in the magnet-demonstration. But you evidently do not.
The people who design CRTs and electron microscopes and many other devices certainly do understand the "S-curve" of electrons in magnetic fields as you put it, since they make them reach their desired targets very accurately and so consistently that the devices that perform this magic can be mass-produced by the millions... and these engineers would be laughing in their beers at reading your comments. The very chips that make your computer work are manufactured by producing, carefully manipulating and accurately directing beams of charged particles using time-varying magnetic fields according to the relationships condensed into Maxwell's Equations and the Lorentz Force Law. So if you want to "debate" these facts I suggest you do it with a chip fabrication engineer. Why don't you stake your next paycheck on the outcome of your "debate"? It's just a paycheck...
tk,
I thought you brought Maxwell into discussion. now I have to go back and check.
However the law about conservation of energy still applies and your share with the pdf document is much appreciated.
I particularly enjoyed the conclusions on "LiénardWiechert potentials" which lead to Conservation of Energy and Momentum (Jackson sec 6.7)
In essence it means that having parkinson disease can have some advantages, namely one can scrub easier the ceramic tiles, especially when is p!ss all over the floor.
your truly,
max well
Magnetic strength is only as good as gravity will let it travel.
The balance between the two , is very hard to find.
If you could loop a mag track is , that perpetual motion?
artv