http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Andrea-Rossi-Vindicated-Cold-Fusion-Takes-Another-Step-Towards-Credibility.html
Seeing all the evidence of late
I agree with this statement from your link wholeheartedly .
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This is a fascinating point in history that when – if ever – the scientific method is broadly engaged may well revolutionize some critical sectors of research for centuries to come. These scientists who engage in demoralizing, dismissive and character assassination and destruction have done far more harm than any collection of 'scammers' anyone might choose to propose. It's a huge embarrassment that's been tolerated for far too long.
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we need accountability for pompous and arrogant behavior which has stifled research in an area with huge potential ... research that will bring cheap energy to a hungry world..
Also
I would love to see a translation of this Vid From Mr.Parkhomov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VORyf-2ZC-g
To be sure there will be experiments done at this forum and elsewhere very soon.
The overwhelming problem with extraordinary claims is the lack of reliable evidence supplied by the claimants. Andrea Rossi is no exception.
The value of the scientific method is that it relentlessly challenges: observations, data reductions and conclusions to weed out what is likely true from what is false. It's high degree of effectiveness is damned inconvenient to: magical thinkers, and frauds who in the end are unable to produce evidence that holds up to such objective scrutiny.
Magical wishfull thinking can work both ways.
sort of like saying a glowing red heater running for 8 minutes at over 1000C
with NO POWER INPUT
could be do to a calibration error.....
Yeah sure thing ...happens all the time in caloric temp testing against a heat sink
takes 500 watts to hold the temp and suddenly no input and it holds nice and steady for over 8 minutes at 1000C GLOWING WHITE HOT Like MAGIC .....
[As anyone who has ever done this type of measurement against a heat sink would know the Temp Drops like a HAMMER at shut down]
However....
How's that go Mark E?
"nothing to see here folks, its all silly fantastical magical thinking , Move along"
"pay no attention to the other independent researchers and their extra heat claims"
Oh and don't forget boys and girls That I Mark E will always throw in the Names of fraudsters that have absolutely nothing to do with this research ,so as to Bolster my very firm position. [and I Mark E have learned to do this with My Bare face hanging out as often as required :o ]
"this will all go away soon"
NOT
Quote from: ramset on March 01, 2015, 04:00:43 AM
Magical wishfull thinking can work both ways.
sort of like saying a glowing red heater running for 8 minutes at over 1000C
with NO POWER INPUT
could be do to a calibration error.....
If you are referring to the tragically bad tests done by the "independent evaluators" of Andrea Rossi's "hot cat" those BS tests have been thoroughly debunked.
Quote
Yeah sure thing ...happens all the time in caloric temp testing against a heat sink
takes 500 watts to hold the temp and suddenly no input and it holds nice and steady for 8 minutes at 1000C GLOWING RED Like MAGIC.....
How's that go Mark E?
"nothing to see here folks Move along"
"pay no attention to the other independent researchers and their extra heat claims"
"this will all go away soon"
NOT
Objective tests, not he BS dog and pony shows set-up by Andrea Rossi do and will always reveal the truth. It's a bit astounding the amount of blatant flim-flam that you take up as truth. BTW your boy Greg Potter just pushed his schedule another six months. And he admits that water cannot supply energy to his "water powered generator".
There is legitimate research being done into unusual things. It is not being done by con artists like Rossi and Potter. The more that anyone promotes charlatans like Rossi and Potter as legitimate, the more difficult it becomes for people who are seriously trying to conduct speculative research to be taken seriously.
Mark E
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There is legitimate research being done into unusual things.
end quote
Ohhhh
"Unusual Things" ??? ??? ??? ???
I must have missed that thread???
OR is that a private investor only Party? not really something you can talk about here with Us NON PAYING silly open source types ??
please share some "Unusual" details ?
consider it Charity
show us what real research looks like....
Not some "Mark E quote
BS dog and pony shows
Edit
Hmmm no snappy response.... I guess it takes a while to find something which should be on the tip of your tongue...
gotta redirect.....[Takes time ;) ]
times up Mark E, I won't be playing your silly games here.
you obviously need time to market an answer that the readers will swallow,
that being your reason for never mentioning your beliefs in the "UNUSUAL"
before
Mark E:'and frauds who in the end are unable to produce evidence that holds up to such objective scrutiny'
This is one hell of a persistent fraud if its true what you say. ever gathering more and more momentum,creeping its way up into mainstream like some disease attacking the human body.I told you long ago that this phenomena will stick like a leach for a thousand years to come.in a most perverse twist of fate it is greed that will keep this baby alive.
Quote from: ramset on March 01, 2015, 04:32:21 AM
Mark E
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There is legitimate research being done into unusual things.
end quote
Ohhhh
"Unusual Things" ??? ??? ??? ???
I must have missed that thread???
OR is that a private investor only Party? not really something you can talk about here with Us NON PAYING silly open source types ??
please share some "Unusual" details ?
consider it Charity
show us what real research looks like....
Not some "Mark E quote
BS dog and pony shows
Edit
Hmmm no snappy response.... I guess it takes a while to find something which should be on the tip of your tongue...
gotta redirect.....[Takes time ;) ]
times up Mark E, I won't be playing your silly games here.
you obviously need time to market an answer that the readers will swallow,
that being your reason for never mentioning your beliefs in the "UNUSUAL"
before
Despite the charlatans and the huge number of missteps work continues in the so-called: CF/LENR/LANR anomalous heat field by people who are not once removed from a traveling carnival. The legitimate work of those people has been materially hurt by the antics of Andrea Rossi and his fraud.
Quote from: profitis on March 01, 2015, 04:55:03 AM
Mark E:'and frauds who in the end are unable to produce evidence that holds up to such objective scrutiny'
This is one hell of a persistent fraud if its true what you say. ever gathering more and more momentum,creeping its way up into mainstream like some disease attacking the human body.I told you long ago that this phenomena will stick like a leach for a thousand years to come.in a most perverse twist of fate it is greed that will keep this baby alive.
Rossi's evidence was nonsense when he first came out four years ago and it has not gotten better.
Mark E:'Rossi's evidence was nonsense when he first came out four years ago and it has not gotten better.'
Watch that nonsense stick around for the next thousand years mark E.one can't hide natures secrets forever
Quote from: profitis on March 01, 2015, 02:09:49 PM
Mark E:'Rossi's evidence was nonsense when he first came out four years ago and it has not gotten better.'
Watch that nonsense stick around for the next thousand years mark E.one can't hide natures secrets forever
The key term is: "nonsense". If you are foolish enough to take the fraud Andrea Rossi seriously, I am sure that he will happy to accept your investment. Maybe you can arrange to get a tour of the invisible fully robotic factory that was supposed to be cranking out a million units per year almost three years ago, or the third party factory he once claimed was heated by eCats, or the military installation that the 1 MW trailer supposedly went to, or data from any actual legitimate calorimetry experiments.
Quote from: MarkE on March 01, 2015, 03:59:49 PM
The key term is: "nonsense". If you are foolish enough to take the fraud Andrea Rossi seriously, I am sure that he will happy to accept your investment. Maybe you can arrange to get a tour of the invisible fully robotic factory that was supposed to be cranking out a million units per year almost three years ago, or the third party factory he once claimed was heated by eCats, or the military installation that the 1 MW trailer supposedly went to, or data from any actual legitimate calorimetry experiments.
Does he sell magic beans also? I need to purchase some.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 01, 2015, 05:43:48 PM
Does he sell magic beans also? I need to purchase some.
Bill
Those and magic thermoelectric converters can all be yours if the price is right.
Irrespective of whether Andrei Rossi is vindicated or not, other researchers have been quietly getting on with research which has obviously been impressive enough to get attention from serious investors like Bill Gates.
http://www.kitco.com/ind/Albrecht/2014-12-23-Bill-Gates-Sponsoring-Palladium-Based-LENR-Technology.html
These guys here think bill gates is an idiot mr hoptoad.they think he will give time of day to something useless
Quote from: hoptoad on March 02, 2015, 06:16:42 AM
Irrespective of whether Andrei Rossi is vindicated or not, other researchers have been quietly getting on with research which has obviously been impressive enough to get attention from serious investors like Bill Gates.
http://www.kitco.com/ind/Albrecht/2014-12-23-Bill-Gates-Sponsoring-Palladium-Based-LENR-Technology.html
Legitimate research into this area is justified as we have yet to account for the anomalous heat that has been observed many times albeit not repeatably. Clowns like Rossi stain the work of real researchers.
Mark E:'Legitimate research into this area is justified'
You make a distinction between rossi-effect and lenr? Where's the red line? a non-rossi be correct and a rossi a fraud?splitting hairs mr E
I have done some work in this field using a master heater and a tandem slave heater. They are Nichrome elements wound on alumina tubes. Dummy fuels are used initially to calibrate the system, then the active fuel is introduced into the slave heater, while the master (temperature controlled heater) has dummy fuel.
In calibration runs, I was able to maintain 1 degree C matching on the heaters up to 1200 C. Then the active fuel was introduced into the slave. In testing thus far, there was no temperature rise above the master controlled heater. My containers were not pressurized and I believe the Hydrogen from LAlH was able to leak out without embedding into the Ni powder. Next step: sealed containers, but this will wait for outdoor testing.
I used DASYLab as the data logging and control platform, a thermocouple data acquisition module from MCC DAQ, the TEMP-TC, and a specially built phase angle controller suitable for inductive loads driving a General Radio step down transformer for the heaters with matched 24 Volt secondaries. I wanted isolated secondaries to avoid data contamination that might occur from thermionic currents induced at the high temperatures into the measuring thermocouples. This prevented a return path for such loop currents.
If there is further interest, I can supply the rationale for the test method, including more photos of equipment used and actual glowing heaters, but this method should be self explanatory.
I might add that the entire test setup equipment was paid for out of pocket at a cost of less than $1000 and the powders were donated by a "benefactor". This research is not out of reach for any university or high school science project, for that matter, and it can be skillfully done on a budget for less than $200
Vortex1:'Then the active fuel was introduced into the slave.'
What active fuel mr vortex
Quote from: profitis on March 02, 2015, 12:12:00 PM
Mark E:'Legitimate research into this area is justified'
You make a distinction between rossi-effect and lenr? Where's the red line? a non-rossi be correct and a rossi a fraud?splitting hairs mr E
I make a distinction between the carnival barker Rossi and legitimate researchers. The line is between people who actually perform objective experiments and crooks who put on rigged dog and pony shows.
Mark E:'crooks who put on rigged dog and pony shows.'
Lol. this crook who is swaying and swooning people in powerful positions left,right and centre
Quote from: Vortex1 on March 02, 2015, 12:37:12 PM
I have done some work in this field using a master heater and a tandem slave heater. They are Nichrome elements wound on alumina tubes. Dummy fuels are used initially to calibrate the system, then the active fuel is introduced into the slave heater, while the master (temperature controlled heater) has dummy fuel.
In calibration runs, I was able to maintain 1 degree C matching on the heaters up to 1200 C. Then the active fuel was introduced into the slave. In testing thus far, there was no temperature rise above the master controlled heater. My containers were not pressurized and I believe the Hydrogen from LAlH was able to leak out without embedding into the Ni powder. Next step: sealed containers, but this will wait for outdoor testing.
I used DASYLab as the data logging and control platform, a thermocouple data acquisition module from MCC DAQ, the TEMP-TC, and a specially built phase angle controller suitable for inductive loads driving a General Radio step down transformer for the heaters with matched 24 Volt secondaries. I wanted isolated secondaries to avoid data contamination that might occur from thermionic voltages induced at the high temperatures into the measuring thermocouples. This prevented a return path for such loop currents.
If there is further interest, I can supply the rationale for the test method, including more photos of equipment used and actual glowing heaters, but this method should be self explanatory.
This technique while not perfect, is massively more objective and reliable than anything we have seen from either Rossi or his sycophant supporters over these past four years. This method measures the temperature using reliable thermocouples, and has a pretty good control in the form of the coupled master / slave heaters first run together both with dummy loads and then side by side one still with a dummy load and the other with the LA|H test load. Anyone who has considered handing cash over to Rossi should be paying Vortex1 for his valuable services.
Vortex1:'My containers were not pressurized and I believe the Hydrogen from LAlH was able to leak out without embedding into the Ni powder.'
This is the most difficult task for anyone.even at room temperature it is exceptionaly difficult to spot/stop h2 leaks.at elevated temps it gets orders of magnitude more difficult.this is why 98% experimenters will fail even if they manage to by chance get everything organised correctly inside the vessels
Here's another screenshot of a run up to 1000 C. Note that the chart lines for master and slave run nearly on top of each other appearing as one rise to setpoint. Only at the very beginning is there any separation to distinguish the channels.
Testing with sealed containers will be done in the near future, but with all safety in place.
Quote from: profitis on March 02, 2015, 01:13:10 PM
Vortex1:'My containers were not pressurized and I believe the Hydrogen from LAlH was able to leak out without embedding into the Ni powder.'
This is the most difficult task for anyone.even at room temperature it is exceptionaly difficult to spot/stop h2 leaks.at elevated temps it gets orders of magnitude more difficult.this is why 98% experimenters will fail even if they manage to by chance get everything organised correctly inside the vessels
Agreed, but I think I have a container design that will satisfy the problem. If there are any interested parties that can help with the mechanical design or are interested further, kindly message me.
So far this looks like very good work and makes all the nonsense from: Rossi, Levy et-al, and Parkhomov sad jokes by comparison. Your attention to setting up a consistent and reliable basis of comparison between a null control and the unit under test is what everyone who wishes to perform a meaningful experiment should do, but sadly many do not.
Vortex1:' I have a container design that will satisfy the problem.'
make sure that the material composition of this container is 100% impermeable at elevated temps.an easier option might be to try detect anomalies in an electroysis cell with lithium salt shoved in sol?
Quote from: MarkE on March 02, 2015, 01:30:07 PM
So far this looks like very good work and makes all the nonsense from: Rossi, Levy et-al, and Parkhomov sad jokes by comparison. Your attention to setting up a consistent and reliable basis of comparison between a null control and the unit under test is what everyone who wishes to perform a meaningful experiment should do, but sadly many do not.
Thanks for the kind support, MarkE
There are many enhancements that I have not yet pursued, such as monitoring heater currents and automatic trimming to insure current balance during characterization and run time, but was able to get very close initial results just by hand trimming the turns count on the heaters.
With the loss to ambient method at such high temperatures, water calorimetry is really not necessary, and can always be done later, after the proof of concept is established.
This particular photo is an early heater test, running open loop under manual control, just to test the approximate heater size needed.
Other option is the bomb method ala blacklightpower inc with their NaH/Ni.simpler the better I always say
Quote from: profitis on March 02, 2015, 01:49:30 PM
Other option is the bomb method ala blacklightpower inc with their NaH/Ni.simpler the better I always say
Yes a simple heater and thermocouple assembly, can be run safely at a distance, just bring it up to temperature, let it cook a while then cut the power. The rate of fall will tell all (compared to the dummy ballistic from an earlier run). I like the simpler methods, but had all the stuff to build the "control" so why not run them together.
Do you have a link to the blacklight power work?
Mmm its been years since I saw that blacklight patent.let me check what I can find
Quote from: profitis on March 02, 2015, 02:05:57 PM
Mmm its been years since I saw that blacklight patent.let me check what I can find
I watched the blacklight promo video performed at Rowan University. Notice the reaction starts at around 100C peaks very quickly then dies off quickly. This seems to start at too low a temperature. I'm not a chemist or nuclear engineer, but to me this seems to be a simple Lithium chemical reaction as it had no sustaining power, despite their claim of a megajoule or approx 40 Watts for 7+ hours.
http://www.lenrnews.eu/blacklight-power-inc-january-28-live-demonstration/ (http://www.lenrnews.eu/blacklight-power-inc-january-28-live-demonstration/)
Any comments?
I managed to find something on the web: 'NaH experiment
I plan to try a scaled up version of the experiment that Blacklight
Power did using Sodium Hydride in a Differential Scanning calorimeter
(DSC). BLP did not use Raney Nickel in this experiment. BLP put a
0.067 gram sample of Sodium Hydride in a Differential Scanning
Calorimeter and measured a heat output that corresponded to 354
kJ/mole H2 in the temperature range of 640 C to 825 C.
Below is a link to the NaH experiment done by BLP - look at page 21
and page 49 showing the graph of the output from the DSC:
http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/WFC112108WebS.pdf
A Differential Scanning Calorimeter compares the energy needed to
heat a reference sample, such as alumina powder, with the sample
being tested (such as sodium hydride). The two samples are in
separate ceramic fingers and heated with separate electric heaters
and monitored with separate thermocouples. The samples are heated to
a high temperature at a controlled rate (0.1 Deg C per minute in this
experiment). The electric heaters for each sample is controlled so
that if there is an exothermic reaction, the heat input to the heater
is decreased so that the heating rate is constant. The amount of
heat energy from the exothermic reaction is measured based on this
reduced energy input to the electric heater.
My scaled up experiment won't use a Differential Scanning Calorimeter
or measure the energy output but will just try to show that there is
a temperature increase when sodium hydride is heated to high
temperatures.
I plan to put somewhere between 5 and 50 grams of Sodium Hydride etc etc'
0.06gram NaH is a tiny amount,surely chemical reaction can be ruled out fairly easy? One could open the bomb after the run and test volume of h2 released after reacting 2NaH + 2h2o= 2Naoh + 2H2.chek volume moles of H2 left after run and compare? There should be some undecomposed NaH from equilibria NaH>< Na + H (if there's no water vapour in there or hydrated compounds)
One could substitute LiAlH for NaH? Mix in some powder alumina to go?
From profitis:
QuoteThe electric heaters for each sample is controlled so
that if there is an exothermic reaction, the heat input to the heater
is decreased so that the heating rate is constant. The amount of
heat energy from the exothermic reaction is measured based on this
reduced energy input to the electric heater.
Yes, I have an alternate program setup that uses exactly that method.
Ultimately I may use some form of induction heating as it can be much more efficient at heating the Ni mixture directly, but the particle size may be too small to be effective.
Quote from: Vortex1 on March 02, 2015, 01:47:00 PM
Thanks for the kind support, MarkE
There are many enhancements that I have not yet pursued, such as monitoring heater currents and automatic trimming to insure current balance during characterization and run time, but was able to get very close initial results just by hand trimming the turns count on the heaters.
With the loss to ambient method at such high temperatures, water calorimetry is really not necessary, and can always be done later, after the proof of concept is established.
This particular photo is an early heater test, running open loop under manual control, just to test the approximate heater size needed.
I agree that until and if there is a reliable indication of a significant power imbalance that calorimetry is not necessary. If results show a gain then I would set up gas to fluid heat exchange and measure the temperature rise and mass flow of each the gas and the fluid.
Vortex1:'Yes, I have an alternate program setup that uses exactly that method.
Ultimately I may use some form of induction heating as it can be much more efficient at heating the Ni mixture directly, but the particle size may be too small to be effective.'
The ideal situation will be a highly reversable hydride salt that releases h2 as it heats up and swallows it back in as system cools.this type bomb would have to be completely self-contained(ala rossi's alumina tubes).this allows one to throw whole ashes into water afterward and physicly measure remnant h2 vols to help rule out combustion/leaks of sorts.I don't know how reversable LiAlH><Li + Al + H system is though.this method would effectively rule out air (Ni+O>NiO) combustion of the nickel itself too at same time.
Quote from: profitis on March 02, 2015, 03:23:49 PM
Vortex1:'Yes, I have an alternate program setup that uses exactly that method.
Ultimately I may use some form of induction heating as it can be much more efficient at heating the Ni mixture directly, but the particle size may be too small to be effective.'
The ideal situation will be a highly reversable hydride salt that releases h2 as it heats up and swallows it back in as system cools.this type bomb would have to be completely self-contained(ala rossi's alumina tubes).this allows one to throw whole ashes into water afterward and physicly measure remnant h2 vols to help rule out combustion/leaks of sorts.I don't know how reversable LiAlH><Li + Al + H system is though.this method would effectively rule out air (Ni+O>NiO) combustion of the nickel itself too at same time.
As I said, I don't claim any expertise in the field of chemistry or nuclear engineering, so have to rely on others like yourself to suggest the right mix.
My long career and area of expertise is mainly in the design of process control instrumentation, thermocouple thermometry, and power control methods, so the control part was easy.
After reading the Lugano report I was taken aback regarding how lost in the forest the guys who did the test and measurement were. The report itself was such a nightmare it prompted me to come up with simpler more direct and accurate methods, of which I have several.
Quote from: profitis on March 02, 2015, 10:39:32 AM
These guys here think bill gates is an idiot mr hoptoad.they think he will give time of day to something useless
Well, people can think what they like of him, but whether they like him or not, he is one of the most successful and wealthy people. A mere .01% of his investment capability translates to millions of dollars.
Cheers
Quote from: profitis on March 02, 2015, 10:39:32 AM
These guys here think bill gates is an idiot mr hoptoad.they think he will give time of day to something useless
Idiot isn't necessarily the word I'd use. However it doesn't take much to see that this doesn't really add much weight to a claim. a) Even on the e-cat site it only claims that Bill and ENEA are near an agreement and it's unclear if it's all about LENR or if it's just ITER, b) as smart as a person that Bill may or may not be he's not a physicist or even a scientist and definitely not a statistican c) While the article claims it's a $1Billion agreement it may not be and who knows how little of that makes it into LENR.
But that's just...you know....thinking and checking facts something you were never very good at. :)
Quote from: profitis on March 02, 2015, 12:57:02 PM
Vortex1:'Then the active fuel was introduced into the slave.'
What active fuel mr vortex
Hi
Nickel powder 2-4uM and Lithium Aluminum Hydride in a 4 to 1 proportion by volume (approx). A few grams were donated to me for the test by an interested party. I am willing to test other mixtures if anyone has good ideas in this area.
Quote from: sarkeizen on March 02, 2015, 09:07:50 PM
Idiot isn't necessarily the word I'd use. However it doesn't take much to see that this doesn't really add much weight to a claim. a) Even on the e-cat site it only claims that Bill and ENEA are near an agreement and it's unclear if it's all about LENR or if it's just ITER, b) as smart as a person that Bill may or may not be he's not a physicist or even a scientist and definitely not a statistican c) While the article claims it's a $1Billion agreement it may not be and who knows how little of that makes it into LENR.
But that's just...you know....thinking and checking facts something you were never very good at. :)
Bill Gates also believes in global warming and that polar bears are drowning. Enough said for his science expertise.
Being an expert and genius in one field does not make anyone an expert in another field.
Bill
Naysayers are going to eat it on this one. Way too much supporting evidence and positive results that LENR works. You think all these people are fools? You think NASA is stupid? Even NASA is getting into LENR:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20150000549.pdf
Sarkeizen:'b) as smart as a person that Bill may or may not be he's not a physicist or even a scientist and definitely not a statistican'
He certainly has his informants/pocket scientists.he is also definitely involved with alternate energy.probabilityfavours lenr interests/investment
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 02, 2015, 09:38:24 PM
Bill Gates also believes in global warming and that polar bears are drowning. Enough said for his science expertise.
Being an expert and genius in one field does not make anyone an expert in another field.
Bill
True but a lot of seemingly smart folk believe in the magical exploding nothingness too. Just because their theories are nonsensical doesn't mean that the effects they're trying to explain are not real. I do agree though money pouring in is not a guarantee of a commercial product. Would certainly help research efforts though I would imagine.
Vortex1:'Nickel powder 2-4uM and Lithium Aluminum Hydride in a 4 to 1 proportion by volume (approx). A few grams were donated to me for the test by an interested party.'
I would suggest adding alumina in powder form to this mix then sealing whole mix in a sealed copper tube(welded shut on both ends).then oil-bath it or resist-heat it and compare to a dummy.this way would rule out leaks at least(h2 won't go thru copper)use small coppertube and small amounts of mix to minimize damage incase of explosion.(put perspex plastic sheet between the experiment and yourself).I'm getting this idea from a guy called chan from buildaecat.com who did this but used MgH2/nickel/copper/iron powder in a sealed copper tube and claimed excess heat for days on end in his oilbath at around 200degrees c.I've got plenty ideas for other chemical tests but you would have to know your chemistry pretty well in order to chek them out.
@vortex you may even want to try your mix in a sealed copper tube(welded shut on both ends) WITHOUT alumina.just add some copper powder to your mix to bring it to 2 Cu/2 Ni/1 LiAlH volumes.heat it steady,slowly raising temp.
Quote from: profitis on March 03, 2015, 04:08:52 AM
He certainly has his informants/pocket scientists.
So? Ultimately his decision is still based on looking at crappy information which is pretty much the entire LENR field produces. His being rich doesn't create information.
Sarkeizen:'His being rich doesn't create information.'
His being rich allows ACCESS to information which you and I have never been exposed to.so a few thousand humans pepper the internet with their small anomalous heats and throw them into a few thousand public journals while he gets to see the other thousand that didn't publish because their overunities were too big or too scary.it makes sense
Profitis
perhaps we dedicate a thread to this replication work ?
do you have a specific link for buildaecat.com
Thx
Chet
Quote from: profitis on March 03, 2015, 08:07:53 AM
rich allows ACCESS to information which you and I have never been exposed to.
His being rich certainly allows you to fantasize about information that you have never seen. :)
Quotewhile he gets to see the other thousand that didn't publish because their overunities were too big or too scary.it makes sense
This has already been discredited in the other thread. The stronger you make the hidden evidence the less likely it exists. If you have a problem with this I strongly reccommend maths beyond that of a fifth grader. :)
@ramset http://www.buildecat.com/blog_detail/the-chan-formula-4.html and the ecatworld analysis thereof http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/11/22/independant-e-cat-replication-claimed/ .if these links don't open up then you have to google. MgH2 is quite a reversable salt I hear begins to release h2 at around 150 deg c.chan was using electromagnetic a.c. induction aswell as heat but I say nevermind about electromagnetics and just shove heat on it.it will still work.to coat nickel powder with copper-clusters throw nickel into a solution of copper sulfate and add a small bit h2so4,warm slightly if necessary,rinse thoroughly,dry.
Sarkeizen:'hidden evidence'
Lugano was hidden?
Quote from: profitis on March 03, 2015, 04:53:56 AM
@vortex you may even want to try your mix in a sealed copper tube(welded shut on both ends) WITHOUT alumina.just add some copper powder to your mix to bring it to 2 Cu/2 Ni/1 LiAlH volumes.heat it steady,slowly raising temp.
QuoteI would suggest adding alumina in powder form to this mix then sealing whole mix in a sealed copper tube(welded shut on both ends).then oil-bath it or resist-heat it and compare to a dummy.this way would rule out leaks at least(h2 won't go thru copper)use small coppertube and small amounts of mix to minimize damage incase of explosion.(put perspex plastic sheet between the experiment and yourself).I'm getting this idea from a guy called chan from buildaecat.com who did this but used MgH2/nickel/copper/iron powder in a sealed copper tube and claimed excess heat for days on end in his oilbath at around 200degrees c.I've got plenty ideas for other chemical tests but you would have to know your chemistry pretty well in order to chek them out.
Your suggestions are certainly worthy of test runs, as I said I am not a chemist, and it will take me some time to get up to speed. I appreciate your input. If you would like to participate in this , PM me and we can exchange contact info as well as other info. Forums get derailed all too often.
Regarding the copper tubes, copper melts at 1085 C, I had planned on going to at least 1260 C if necessary, and was considering stainless steel tubing, tube in tube construction so that the welds would be far enough away from the active area that there would be no accidental heating during welding. I don't know if stainless is more or less impervious to hydrogen, but it seems to be what others are using. I will have to research this for lack of experience in this area of hydrogen containment.
Kind Regards
Vortex1
My pleasure mr vortex.
Quote from: profitis on March 03, 2015, 09:57:07 AM
Sarkeizen:'hidden evidence'
Lugano was hidden?
You are talking about evidence that is not available to you or I. Ergo it is "hidden".
Sarkeizen:'Ergo it is "hidden".'
Lugano was on camera infront my face.I saw lots of energy there.I saw it with my eyes :)
Quote from: profitis on March 03, 2015, 10:59:44 AM
Lugano was
...either a different argument or irrelevant to the one being argued. You said that Gates decision was based on super-secret information that almost nobody has access to. I have already shown the stronger that claim is the less likely it is. So that point is dead.
Sarkeizen:'You said that Gates decision was based on super-secret information that almost nobody has acces to'
Do you see the word 'only' written in there? Gates has eyes too you know not only ears,he wouldve seen the lugano pixtures
Quote from: profitis on March 03, 2015, 11:28:05 AM
Sarkeizen:'You said that Gates decision was based on super-secret information that almost nobody has acces to'
Do you see the word 'only' written in there?
You changed your argument. Glad to see I have you on the run. :) :) Only two posts to get you scurrying. Not exactly a record but nice to know.
QuoteGates has eyes too you know not only ears,he wouldve seen the lugano pixtures
Now were back to my first point that Bill's riches don't create information and the body of information that exists is crap.
Sarkeizen:'You changed your argument. Glad to see I have you on the run. :) :) Only two posts to get you scurrying. Not exactly a record but nice to know.'
No I didn't.I said billgates will know what you don't see,coz he's rich.
Sarkeizen:' body of information that exists is crap.'
Lugano video is crap?
Sarkeizen:'either a different argument or irrelevant to the one being argued. You said that Gates decision was based on super-secret information that almost nobody has access to. I have already shown the stronger that claim is the less likely it is. So that point is dead.'
No its not dead.do you see the word 'only' in there?billgates will make decisions based on public video-footage too sometimes
Quote from: profitis on March 03, 2015, 01:19:51 PM
billgates will make decisions based on public video-footage too sometimes
Same point as before. The extant evidence for LENR is so shitty it would be like my shit shitting it's worst kind of shit.
Quote from: profitis on March 03, 2015, 01:19:51 PMNo I didn't.
....and the internet says...you're an idiot... :)
Quote from: profitis on March 03, 2015, 08:07:53 AM
rich allows ACCESS to information which you and I have never been exposed to.
See ACCESS to information which I have never been exposed to. Your argument here is already refuted. Go back and check the other thread.
Sarkeizen:'See ACCESS to information which I have never been exposed to. Your argument here is already refuted. Go back and check the other thread.'
My argument is not in the least refuted.rich people have access to more info,period.
Sarkeizen::'The extant evidence for LENR is so large it would make me talk shit.'
Well we know this brother.relax :)
Quote from: profitis on March 03, 2015, 03:09:54 PM
I am pretty much an enormous bullshitter
Yes, well I think people knew that years back. :)
Sarkeizen:'Yes, well I think people knew that you were great years back. :)'
So modest mr sarkeizen. but yes now too by again cornering you in argument.billgates saw something that gravitated him toward lenr people
Quote from: profitis on March 03, 2015, 03:42:14 PM
I have no argument or evidence for my position.
Again, tell us something we don't know. :)